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Walburg
No mention of Walburg, Texas (which as of this writing is a red link). I would have thought it is at least a CDP, if not an incorporated place. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 19:56, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

From what I can tell, Walburg, Texas is not a CDP and it is definitely not incorporated. It appears to be merely a populated place with an official federally recognized name. AtxApril (talk) 22:05, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

 * It has some historical importance though, being part of the German settlement of Texas. It should definantely have some mention in the article, if not an article of its own. --Leodmacleod (talk) 20:56, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

 * May I suggest that you start an article on Walburg. It can be really short but you are right - it needs to be in Wikipedia, and could then be used for an internal ref from Williamson County, etc. Let me know if you need help.  You can email me on my talk User page (see user boxes). Austex  •  Talk  14:55, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Taxes in Wilco
I've removed the recently added text about property taxes in Williamson County for the following reasons: If somebody can rewrite the discussion of property tax in Wilco in a way that eliminates the inaccuracies, please feel free to add it back in.AtxApril (talk) 23:42, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) The claim that Wilco "has one of the nation's highest property tax rates" is false and is not supported by the cited ref.  In fact, Williamson County has fairly low property tax rates.  The majority of a homeowner's property tax in Williamson County consists of school district and city taxes.  The cited ref was referring to the combination of all property taxes (including school district and city taxes) paid by residents of Williamson County.
 * 2) The sentence about the "Robin Hood plan" has no applicability to the county or to taxes levied by the county as the "Robin Hood plan" applies to school districts, of which there are several in Williamson County.
 * 3) The ref cited regarding the "Robin Hood plan" does not read like an authoritative source, but instead reads as speculative and filled with opinion.
 * 4) The sentence that began "Part of this is due to the Robin Hood plan" does not clearly specify exactly what is "due to" the "Robin Hood plan" (and exhibits incorrect usage of the phrase "due to").
 * 5) It is not surprising that residents of Texas would pay higher property taxes (as a percentage of home value) than residents of many other states since Texas does not have a personal income tax and instead relies on those property taxes to pay for many things that would be paid by income taxes in other states.  In fact, Texans have an overall lower tax burden than do residents of many (if not most) other states.
 * This was nothing more than a purely political statement using innuendo to imply that Williamson County officials had raised taxes higher than similar counties. But Wm Cunty has exerienced unprecedent growth. Even if re-written this does not belongn the article.  This is one of several edits used throughout to espouse a personal political opinion from a single individual.   Austex  •  Talk  19:37, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Should History Section Be an Article Itself?
This section makes the article look more like a timeline. The section itself looks like it has a sufficient amount of information to sustain its own article. We can also make it just 2 paragraphs instead of a timeline. 99.58.60.128 (talk) 23:42, 1 April 2010 (UTC) (TheAustinMan has forgotten to sign in! :O)

Also in the timeline, it mentions of the fall of the Alamo in 1836, which is not in Williamson County so it has really nothing to do with it. Other examples of un-necessary timeline marks include:

 * Robert E. Lee's surrender of the American Civil War.
 * Governor Sam Houston advises settlers to pull back from frontier. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.58.60.128 (talk) 23:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Are we a global encyclopedia, where some may not have a good grasp of Texas history? Putting a timeline frame around the county's specific history clarifies for readers unfamiliar with Texas history, what events shaped the founding of the county itself. Texas was still being formed by the Civil War itself. The Alamo wasn't in Williamson County, but it was a pertinent part of the shaping of Texas history. Williamson County did not exist in a vacuum. Maile66 (talk) 00:05, 2 April 2010 (UTC) The Sam Houston issue came from Handbook of Texas Online about Williamson County, which was the "frontier" at that time. Maile66 (talk) 00:16, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I wholeheartedly agree with the first comment. The timeline is too detailed, takes up a disproportunate share of the overall article, and shows many references (while useful to establish the flow of history) nevertheless do not relate to Williamson County. The author (or someone else) needs to trim it down by at least half, or better yet re-write it in a narrative form as is more typical in city and counnty articles. See Austin, Texas for example. I have removed the items related to Slavery and put it into it's own section in a condensed format. HOWEVER I think most all of this can be removed as it relates to US and Texas history but not to Williamson County history. Austex  •  Talk  14:49, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * If it cannot be re-written then other editors need to help with reducing it to the most salient points. I have moved he section on Slavery into a new "Slavery" section.  Austex  •  Talk  14:49, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Note to (talk), please sign-in before editing so we can continue the commentary  Austex •  Talk  14:51, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Williamson County Article Status as of July 2010
Friends of Williamson County:

 * This article needs much help in order to whip it into shape as far as Wipedia standards, but more importantly into an article we can all be proud of. There are many, many sources for info on the county that are useful both for content and for references. Let's all pitch in and help.' Austex •  Talk  15:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

 * It appears that here has been very little editing on the article lately. Things I see that need work include (but are not limited to):

marker. Simply remove it and add a reference.
 * Re-organization of sections (I have done some of this this week), but it needs to flow logically; Feel free to make organizational changes if you feel really strongly about it.
 * The history section in bullet form seems wat too long. Would be better in narratove  form as onthe Austin, Texad history page or like many other articles
 * Addition of many, many basic facts -- such as county government for example;or Agriculture.
 * Removal of opinion WP:POV versus facts.  Especially re politics. Wikipedia is not a place to editorialize or to express one's personal point of view.
 * Significant numbers of additional of refrences are critically needed. I have marked many of these with the
 * Some sections have been written with no references at all. Citations for all facts are required by Wikipedia. See Wikipedia Help on how to write citations.  There is also a "citation engine" that you input the data you have (even if limited data) and it will create a citation for you
 * For examples and help with citations go to HERE
 * For the automatic citation generator go HERE

Please note that this is all a cooperative effort, so please feel uninhibited and completely free to jump in at any time. A poorly written citation, for example, is better than no citation at all. They can be cleaned up later by other editors. Editors also please welcome newbies and make them feel at home as well. They are our future. If needed, gently make edit changes and fix citations and explain why, so that they may learn from it constructively. Thanks for helping out with Williamson County, Texas.  Austex •  Talk  15:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Feel free to add to this list of needs

 * If you have comments or questions on the above, post them below for others to answer. There are no stupid questions.   Austex  •  Talk  15:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

New items related to Williamson County, Texas
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Slavery Issues re Williamson County
I took out all the slavery issues in the timeline and created its own sub-section on Slavery, then created it verbatum but in narrative form (so its unfortunately not well written). With the exception on two items, the remainder does relate nort relate to Williamson County. Personaly I think the rest needs to be removed, to the section delted entirely. But I will leave that to other editors to decide.  Austex •  Talk  14:05, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Re: Slavery Issues. I agree that the entry regarding slavery issues seems out of place since it lacks any direct references to Wilco.  New at WP; who has the final say on whether the slavery entry is removed?  HSHansen (talk) 22:25, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

 * It's entirely up to a consensus of editors who are working on the article at the time, which right now appear to be you and me and maybe the new editor User:Iluvrr who only recently mde some edits. It does have a small tie-in to Williamson county, especially re Dan Moody, but only a little bit. I don't see an easy way to integrate it (no pun intended) into the history timeline, which I am not fond of to begin with. So I am sort of thinking take it out.  But that's just me.   Wonder if anyone could write up a VERY brief history of slavery in the county in a narrative form? Also someone needs to write a narrative section on Modern History anyway which could perhaps start with Gov Dan Moody and the KKK (and make a short mention of slavery there as well)  Austex  •  Talk  23:00, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Let me go back and see if i can find who wrote it and if they are still around Let's give it a day or two or three. Austex  •  Talk  23:00, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Slavery
Here is the text that was removed the slavery timeeline and I am pasting it here with great reservations (versus deleting it entirely). Do not put it back a second time. But if you wish you can possibly integrate pieces of it into the overall timeline. The item about Dan Moody, for example, has been added there. The entire timeline would be much better as a written narrative and not a bulleted timeline. And items that refer to Texas statehood or the Spanish explorers, for example,hould be ommitted unless they have a SPECIFIC documented and cited relationship to Williamson County.  Austex •  Talk  04:15, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
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 * Important dates relating to slavery in Texas and Wiliamson County:

 * 1829: Mexican President Vicente Ramon Guerrero, himself an ex-slave of Spanish, African and Native American descent, emancipates all slaves within the Republic of Mexico which includes the Mexican areas of Texas, including Williamson County.   In doing so Slavery is abolished in the republic.
 * 1860: Williamson County Population of 3,638 whites and 891 slaves
 * 1861: Williamson County rejects secession from the Union. Some churches continue affiliations with Northern rather than Southern denominations until 1985.
 * 1862:  The Emancipation Proclamation is issued by United States President Abraham Lincoln during the American Civil War freeing most slaves in the United States.
 * 1865: (June 19)Major General Gordon Granger arrives in Galveston to announce and enforce the emancipation of all slaves. It has take six months for this news to reach Texas and is the first time African Americans in Texas know of the Emancipation. The date becomes celebrated annually in Texas as Juneteenth, and later as an official state holiday known as Emancipation Day.  On December 6 the The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution prohibits slavery.
 * 1880: Date of the first known marked grave of a slave at Slave Burial Ground in Round Rock.
 * 1922: Future Governor of Texas Dan Moody, (born in Taylor 1893 - died 1966) the then district attorney of the 26th Judicial District in Williamson County, won state-wide notice by prosecuting a group for criminal activities allegedly connected with the Ku Klux Klan.  In the 1990s a book and then later a stage play were written by Williamson County District Attorney Ken Anderson called "You Can't Do That, Dan Moody" depicting the highly charged trial.

 * Does this timeline section really belong here? Is it used in other county pages?  This takes up a heck of a lot of the article and is of relatively minor importance compared to it's length.  Plus I think it takes away from the important sections before and after.  I'd like to hear what other people say about it, one way or another.   Could it be done in a narrative form instead?  I'm sure someone put a lot of time into it so I am reluctant to delete it without a second opinion.  Thoughts?  Opinions?  Austex  •  Talk  18:11, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Notable residents and movies sections
The article needs more notable residents (there are only three listed so far) and numerous movies were filmed all or at least partially in Williamson county. Please help with additions here if possible. Thanks  Austex •  Talk  19:26, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Presidential elections review

 * Why do we have this section? I have not seen it in any other county article, and it takes a lot of room. Can it be done in a narrative fashion, or perhaps just summarized?  Is each yearly result all that important...or is the importance the change from Democratic to Republucan voters over time as the county has grown?  What about citing the influence of Sun City voters in the county?  Etc.   In short: Can it just be deleted?  Austex  •  Talk  19:26, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

 * NOTICE: See Peer Review Request on this issue at Peer review/Williamson County, Texas/archive1.  All opinions are welcome.

 * The chart of presidential elections should go. If there's a trend or an important takeaway it can be identified in the prose. If it has to stay, there are more efficient ways of representing all that information. I don't know why each election needs an entire table when you're just presenting three pieces of information (year, D %, R %) for each one.
 * Also I agree that the timeline should be in a narrative form. And the information about Texas in general is out-of-scope for the article. (There can always be a See also: History of Texas or something.) But I don't think it should be deleted if it includes things that aren't written elsewhere. —User:Designate (talk) 14:40, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

 * I agree that the chart of presidential election be removed. Too little information for such a large use of space. If the author wants to keep the information, a large chart is not needed or desired. Just put each election year on a single line with the vote totals by candidate (one line for each year).  Has the same info in 1/10th of the space. And/or add to the summary.

 * The timeline is being removed too. Only parts of it relate to Williamson county.  The other information in it is well covered in many Texas History and event articles. I will remove the entire timeline but paste it below for reference while I or someone else does a written summary.
 * Please note that both of these sections were removed once before and were reverted (I presume by the authors). Please make note of the "three revert rule."  Austex  •  Talk  20:40, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

History timeline
'''This section was removed. It needs to be written by someone into a narrative form and include only Williamson county events.''' I will try to give it a start when I have time (between earning a living!)

 * 9000 BCE Archeological evidence identifies the Paleolithic inhabitants known as the Clovis lived in Central Texas including numerous Williamson County sites.
 * 4500 BCE Early native American inhabitants include Tonkawa, Lipan Apache, Kiowa, Comanche, Yojuane, Tawakoni, and Mayeye.
 * 1519-1685 Hernando Cortez and Alonso Álvarez de Pineda claim Texas for Spain
 * 1528 Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca expedition to Texas on behalf of Spain
 * 1685-1690 France plants its flag on Texas soil, but departs after only five years.
 * 1686-1689 Alonso De León expeditions for Spain.
 * 1716 Louis Juchereau de St. Denis and Domingo Ramón, Spanish expedition name Brushy Creek “Rio de San Xavier” and the San Gabriel River “Arroyo de las Bendítas Ánimas”.
 * 1746-1755 San Xavier Missions - San Francisco Xavier de Horcasitas, San Ildefonso, and Nuestra Señora de la Candelaria, founded by Franciscan monks of Mexico to serve Central Texas Indians.
 * 1821 Mexico claims its independence from Spain. Anglos from the north  settle in Texas and claim Mexican citizenship.
 * 1836: March 2 - Texas Declaration of Independence from Mexico establishes the Republic of Texas.
 * 1836:March 6 - Battle of the Alamo.
 * 1886: April 21–22 - Battle of San Jacinto, Antonio López de Santa Anna captured.
 * 1886: May 14 - Santa Anna signs the Treaties of Velasco.
 * 1838 Dr. Thomas Kenney establishes first civilian settlement named Kenney's Fort, on Brushy Creek.
 * 1839 Battle of Brushy Creek, last major Indian battle in Williamson County.
 * 1845, December 29 - Texas Annexation  by the United States
 * 1846, May 13 - The United States Congress officially declares war on Mexico.
 * 1848: February 2 - Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo officially ends the Mexican-American War  March 31 - Texas legislature establishes Williamson County, named for Robert McAlpin Williamson. Georgetown is the county seat.
 * 1861: County votes against secession from the Union. The issue of secession divides the county for the duration of the War. February 1, Texas secedes from the Union.  March 2, Texas joins the Confederate States of America.
 * 1870, March 30 -  The United States Congress readmits Texas into the Union
 * 1880’s-1890’s Migration to the county by Scandinavians, Germans, Czechs, Wends, and Austrians.
 * 1911 Williamson County brick and stone courthouse built in Georgetown. Beaux-arts style. Architect Charles H. Page
 * 1918 Suffragette Jessie Daniel Ames of Georgetown leads a registration drive the adds 3,300 Williamson County women in time for the first primary in which they are eligible to vote.
 * 1922 26th Judicial District in Williamson County, won state-wide notice by prosecuting a group for criminal activities allegedly connected with the Ku Klux Klan. In the 1990s a book and then later a stage play were written by Williamson County District Attorney Ken Anderson called "You Can't Do That, Dan Moody" depicting the highly charged trial.
 * -- Need to bring up to date to 2011

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 * Texas lawyer exposes religious hiring test for peace officers: County only wanted Baptist constables, rawstory.com
 * Lawyer claims WilCo Commissioners want Baptist employees only, KVUE tv

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Worcester
Named after Worcester, Mass, or after Worcester, England ?

 * Worchester, Mass. --Daniel C. Boyer 15:12, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Monster
Since nobody (including myself, born and raised here) has EVER heard of the Marquette Monster, I went ahead and deleted the blurb. Simple.

 * It's on the sign in front of Old City Hall. Look at it.  Plus, you know the guidelines say that your not having heard of something isn't controlling, right?  --Daniel C. Boyer 15:13, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I am removing the "Marquette Monster" reference. The standard for inclusion is three notable sources. If you can find a newspaper, magazine, book, reliable website, or scholarly article that mentions the beast, reinsert it with a ref. Thanks, Wachholder 17:47, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

(Following comments moved here from previous location above Worcester, as cleanup) LightRobb (talk) 18:20, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

I've never heard of the Marquette Monster being associated with Marquette, Michigan - I grew up there and it was never part of the local lore.

I've never heard of a Marquette Monster either, and I spent the first 19 years of my life there. I'm living there now and I have never heard anything about the Marquette Monster

Also living in Marquette and have written about a dozen articles on various Marquette history and culture subjects. The Marquette Monster is unheard of as far as I am concerned. Where did this information come from? Everyone knows about the Hodag, but the Marquette Monster? no.

 * The Marquette Monster is, inter alia on the sign in front of Old City Hall. Look at it.  --Daniel C. Boyer 15:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by LightRobb (talk • contribs)

Dome Ownership
I do believe the State of Michigan owns the Superior Dome, and NMU simply manages it. Will do further digging...
 * Yes, you are correct on that. I don't have a link but I was up there while it was built. Dmodlin71 03:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Negative. The dome is owned by the university. Back in 2007, they wanted to turn ownership over to the state per, but I didn't find any articles showing that such a transfer took place.  Imzadi 1979  →   16:45, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Lighthouse
Wow, what a gorgeous picture of the lighthouse - definitely an angle on it that I haven't seen before! Does anyone have more info on it? I know it's one of the few manned lighthouses on the Great Lakes (by the Coast Guard.) Dmodlin71 03:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Racial Demographics Problem
I myself don't know the precise demographics for Marquette but I do know it is predominately white, and it is wholly impossible to have a negative percentage of any race. If someone knows the actual figures they should change it immediately. Cptnspoon19 05:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay I looked it up in the Census Bureau and found more accurate demographics. They're from 2000, so they're probably off still, but at least somewhat close to correct. Cptnspoon19 05:20, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Main Picture
I was kinda wondering, maybe the old ore dock isn't the best picture out there to represent Marquette... Maybe a picture from mount Marquette overlooking the whole city might be better? This would include the ore dock and more of the city. Just an idea --Kyle van der Meer (talk) 16:57, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree does anyone have this picture? Also I'll be moving up to Marquette in 9 months and counting so if the picture doesn't exist I'll be sure to grab it haha. --IvanTortuga (talk) 19:45, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That does look much better Kyle van der Meer (talk) 04:28, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Link
I put the following in the external links. Mr. Barek doesn't this it belongs there. Oh well. IRDGAS. Do what you want. Best regards. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 16:55, 27 March 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Beacons in the Night, Michigan Lighthouse Chronology, Clarke Historical Library, Central Michigan University.
 * Spamming of an external link with only marginal content on the cities mentioned is a violation of WP:ELNO and WP:NOT, as has been mentioned to you on your talk page twice already. The link has been reported to WP:WPSPAM for further review.  --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:19, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This is not spam. Your unsubstantiated and unwarranted accusation doesn't make it so.  No Ipse dixit here.  You are entitled to you opinion, but you happen to be wrong.  What part of Central Michigan University don't you understand?7&6=thirteen (talk) 19:36, 27 March 2008 (UTC)Stan
 * The term "spam" is referring to the behavior, not the link itself.
 * I fully acknowledge that the link may provide a useful ref tag entry for articles containing information for which the link provides facts to support those statements. However, please read WP:NOT and WP:NOT, as well as WP:EL.  The link which you have added to roughly 100 article today is only marginally related to the subject articles.  While it does provide interesting trivia, it is not providing directly relevant resources to the articles to which they have been added.  If it were relevant to the article to discuss when the Marquette Harbor Light or the Marquette Breakwater Outer Light were either constructed or rebuilt, then the provided link would be a valuable reference link to substantiate those facts (as a ref tag, not as an external link).
 * However, this article is about Marquette, Michigan - and should not contain historical detail of everything within the city. If those lighthouses meet wikipedia's criteria for notability, then their own articles should be created and the link could be a valuable resource is such articles (again, more appropriately as a ref tag rather than as an external link).  Likewise, if a more generic "Lighthouses of Michigan" or "Michigan lighthouses" article were created, the link would be valuable in such articles.  But not in articles about cities/townships.  Just because a link is potentially useful does not mean it should be included everywhere. A list of all the phone numbers in New York would be useful, but is not included because Wikipedia is not a directory. The same applies to this link in city/township articles. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:15, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I for one put some faith in our readers. If they find it irrelevant, I'm sure they know how to leave the article and move on.  I tend to err on the side of too much of the irrelevant, rather than too little of the relevant, since relevancy is in the eyes of the beholder.  That's JMHO.  7&6=thirteen (talk) 20:38, 27 March 2008 (UTC)Stan

Northern Michigan University noise/experimental music scene
I was told that there is a large DIY/experimental noise scene in NMU, similar to the ones in Ann Arbor, Michigan, and Iowa City, Iowa, as well as California and other places. Can anyone verify this and add it to the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.42.14.5 (talk) 14:52, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

RE: Art on the Rocks festival
As my family moved to Marquette in 1958, I think I can say, with some little authority, that Art on the Rocks began on the rocks just north of the old Chamber of Commerce building, virtually at the feet of the Father Marquette statue there. The festival moved out to The Island in the mid-to-late 60s, because it needed more room. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.171.188.67 (talk) 03:59, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * That's great! They way things work here is that we cite reliable verifiable sources for our information. Given your locality, you should have no difficulty finding an article or two about the fest's founding and subsequent move in the local newspaper archives. If you or someone in your family has some decent pictures of the event the would share with the world, that would be great, too! If there's anything I can do to be of assistance, please don't hesitate to ask. Learning the ropes here can be a bit challenging, but I'd be happy to serve as your guide. Rklawton (talk) 00:46, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Does anyone else find it interesting that the june/july temperatures avg. out to 66.6?
I have a weird superstition. :) Anyways, I'm just mentioning that I changed the elevation measurement because of this superstition!

Adieu Wikipedians!

70.94.247.254 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.94.247.254 (talk) 18:32, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Changed back per GNIS. Sorry about your issues, guy! John from Idegon (talk) 22:07, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

The Cat Who... is a novel series of murder mystery novels by Lilian Jackson Braun.
Is Marquette, MI a setting for The Cat Who... novels series of murder mystery novels by Lilian Jackson Braun? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.130.164.40 (talk) 06:12, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Notable people
In the last few days I have added a bunch of people to the notables section. This was my methodology: I used the "What links here" tab and then checked all the person names that came up. If their article showed residence, birth or death in Marquette, I added them. I did not add people in the following categories: people whose only connection was attendance at Northern or whose only connection was imprisonment at the pen. I was kinda unsure about the Olympic training center, so I added them if they attended high school in Marquette or were on staff. Any comments wold be appreciated.

On another point related, there are enough names here now to consider forking a list of notable people off as a separate article. Thoughts? John from Idegon (talk) 22:13, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. Isn't this why we have categories, though? :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:10, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * What do categories have to do with it? If you are replying to the last paragraph, forking is exactly what the ciy article guidelines call for in this situation. John from Idegon (talk) 22:46, 6 June 2014 (UTC)t

Climate
There have only been four tornadoes in this area since 1950. The first was an F1 in Republic on August 19, 1973.--Kevjgav (talk) 07:19, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

"Warm"
Re this edit: I think it's more accurate this way, and "warm" isn't a needed word in there; people have different definitions of warm depending on where they are from and where they are living. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:32, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Your link doesn't actually point to a revision (though I assume you mean ). Anyway, I'm not sure if "warm" is entirely objective, and what you reverted to is moreso. Do we know of a source we can use to fix the citation needed tag? Chris857 (talk) 04:23, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, my apologies on the mistaken link; that was one of the revisions in question. What citation needed tag? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:18, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Warm implies "above average" or warmer than an implied comparison. The only implied comparison is the US and the average for the US is higher than for Marquette. There is no source indicating "warm" and pure reasoning would possibly allow for "cool" hence I removed the peacock and left it stating the facts. SPACKlick (talk) 15:49, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Mean temperature
Neither source matches the numbers being added by. Anyone know where they come from? SPACKlick (talk) 10:14, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

 * I checked the NWS source. The numbers match the one from the airport observation site (under "daily/monthly normals" but this is incorrect since the data (highs and lows is taken from the other observation site. It should use mean temps from the same station, not from a different one. Ssbbplayer (talk) 15:58, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

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Restoring Some Deleted Material
On 16 July 2016 I added text and images to the article. Later in the day John from Idegon (talk) reverted all of those edits and then restored one line of text. The comment provided with the reversion was "Reverted 4 edits by Sf9000: A bunch non MOS compliant or totally unneeded changes, addition of images not discussed in text, addition of a gallery that contains images entirely accessible from Wikilink in the article."

I appreciate the feedback on my edits. Based on the feedback I have reviewed the MOS and other related documents. I accept that some of the reversions were appropriate. However, I have two concerns with the deletions:
 * 1) No explanation was given for deleting the text I added for the Presque Isle Harbor Breakwater Lighthouse in the list of lighthouses in Marquette. This is a lighthouse in Marquette as described in the reference originally cited. Further, it is on the National Register of Historic Places . Including this lighthouse is both correct and adds value to the article.
 * 2) I question "images not discussed in text" as a rationale for removing images. I do not see that guidance in the MOS. Further, a number of images in the article are not discussed in the text (e.g., there is no text of the form "see the figure" or "see the adjacent photograph"). Instead, the Image Use Policy states, "The purpose of an image is to increase readers' understanding of the article's subject matter, usually by directly depicting people, things, activities, and concepts described in the article." In other words, the test of relevance should be whether the article discusses the subject of the image, not the image itself. By the standard set by the Image Use Policy, I believe the photographs of the Presque Isle Harbor Breakwater Light, Marquette's Presque Isle Harbor Ore Dock, and the view of downtown Marquette should not have been removed. Each of those three photographs depicted subjects that were described in the article, and—I believe—would improve the understanding of the subject, for instance by illustrating what the Breakwater Light and what Marquette's active ore dock look like, their size, etc. Further, none of those images is easily accessible via a Wikilink from the article.

Based on that rationale, I propose to restore some, but not all, of the content that was removed as follows:

 * Text and image for the Presque Isle Harbor Breakwater Light, but using "Light" instead of "Lighthouse" (the structure is called a "Light" but is a lighthouse) and referencing the National Park Service page cited above instead of the nautical charts previously referenced
 * Image for the Marquette's Presque Isle Harbor Ore Dock, more clearly highlighting the ore dock in the caption. The image would be associated with the text for this ore dock in the Transportation section.
 * Image of downtown Marquette as seen from Mount Marquette. Instead of including this in a gallery, I would include it in the section on Geography. Many of the significant features in the photograph, including the Superior Dome, harbors, and ore docks, are already discussed in the article. I would add some text to the Geography section to include other significant aspect's of Marquette's geography, such as Presque Isle and the two harbors, which are shown in the image.

I would not restore the image gallery.

I believe those changes will add value to the article, address the substance of the concerns raised by John from Idegon (talk), and make better contributions to the article than I had originally provided. I would appreciate feedback on these proposed changes.

Sf9000 (talk) 22:14, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * My suggestion would be to create the article for the light and link to it with a brief summary here. Any place on the NRHP is automatically notable and should have an article. Generally, in a top level article in a category like this (the category being Marquette), we keep discussion of subtopics that have articles brief and rely on wikilinking for the details. Any pictures added should be directly related to copy in the article, both in layout proximity and in subject matter, and should be of such a nature to show better than words could the subject being discussed. Although I'm not an expert by any means, I'll be happy to help you create the aforementioned article. You know where my talk page is. I've written at least one NRHP article and am pretty familiar with Marquette. John from Idegon (talk) 23:18, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

 * Thank you very much for the feedback and suggestion. I will consider the suggestion to create a new article about the light. Sf9000 (talk) 01:09, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Suburbs
The removal of this information is clearly verging on vandalism. Marquette does have suburbs (as is alluded to at https://roadtrippers.com/us/marquette-mi/accommodation/marquette-motor-lodge-marquette .) The basis for saying it has none is nonsense. --Daniel C. Boyer (talk) 18:45, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Marquette is not an urban area. The built-up area may bleed into the adjacent townships, but that doesn't make those areas "suburban". A single tour guide website isn't sufficient to prove otherwise.  Imzadi 1979  →   20:16, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * It is not an infrequent occurrence that technical terms which have specific meanings, such as suburb and vandalism, will get used incorrectly as a colloquialism here on Wikipedia. Doesn't make it correct. John from Idegon (talk) 23:27, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Marquette's suburbs are suburbs by pretty much any definition, including that provided in the Wikipedia article on suburb. (It is common in Michigan for even relatively small towns to have suburbs.) Marquette is a city and these suburbs function as such. It seems you have some weird interest (or agenda) in them not being suburbs. --Daniel C. Boyer (talk) 08:15, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 * As a resident of the area, "Brookton Corners" is not used by anyone as a geographic location these days, Trowbridge Park essentially only has the status of a neighborhood and no longer a distinct community, and no one would refer to them or Harvey as a suburb of Marquette.  Imzadi 1979  →  12:34, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I was born in Hancock and lived most of my life in Houghton, but spent very substantial amounts of time in all three towns (Harvey, Brookton Corners and Trowbridge Park). Brookton Corners was never used by anyone as a "geographical location"; it is a town.  (A simple Googling will refute most of these claims.)  And when did Trowbridge Park lose this status (again, you might consult some references.)?  There is simply no such thing as a neighbourhood (of a city) that is its own town and outside of the city in question.  Are Yonkers and Mineola neighbourhoods of New York?  As for Harvey, you might consult the link I provided.  It's simply not true what you're saying, which seems to be a kind of original research contrary to all objective evidence, research for the purpose of confirming a previously-determined conclusion that Marquette has no suburbs. --Daniel C. Boyer (talk) 17:16, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

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RE: Frederic Baraga Postal Card
Hi, I took a look at the reference you provided, and there is no mention of anything taking place in Marquette on that date. Would you please explain how the content is supported by the reference? Thanks. - Tystnaden (talk) 23:20, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * And after finally making a trip to the library while they're open, I can replace that stopgap with a source that explicitly cites everything in that sentence, . (For the record, the newspaper article states that the card was issued the previous day, Friday, June 29 1984.)  Imzadi 1979  →   20:04, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Great! - Tystnaden (talk) 01:13, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

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Trowbridge Park
It is better to say that the bus stops in the town. This is more specific than just saying it stops in Marquette Township. The only reason to argue otherwise would be a weird animus against the town. --2604:2000:14C3:43AD:ADED:D313:E5D6:80C9 (talk) 15:59, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Excuse me, IP, but could you please explain? I'm guessing you make that statement in some context, but knowing the context is necessary to reply.John from Idegon (talk) 16:16, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * the IP refers to the fact that this article on the City of Marquette mentions that the regional bus service operates their stop for the city out of the local transit authority's station. That station is located in an area of Marquette Township that the Census Bureau has placed within the unincorporated community/CDP of Trowbridge Park. However, there are no signs anywhere to tell someone that he or she has entered this community, and typically Trowbridge Park refers to the neighborhoods east of the area where the station is located.  Imzadi 1979  →   18:10, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Trowbridge Park doesn't refer to any neighbourhoods at all. It refers to the town of Trowbridge Park.  --2604:2000:14C3:43AD:ADED:D313:E5D6:80C9 (talk) 19:52, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * As a local, I can assure you, there is no "town" there. Trowbridge Park is just a section of Marquette Township best described now as a neighborhood. It really lacks a separate identity these days, and what carries that identity doesn't encompass the area around the bus station.  Imzadi 1979  →   23:09, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Despite your assurances, there is definitely a town there, and assertions to the contrary are baffling. What event or events happened to transform the town into a neighbourhood, and when?  None, and never.  Is Trowbridge Park multiple neighbourhoods, as you seem to assert, and, if so, what are the names of those neighbourhoods?  And about the sign, it is a common problem with M-DOT that they haven't put up signs for several towns; this is more common when the built-up area is continuous from one town to the next.  There was a multi-year struggle to get up a sign for Tamarack, for example.  M-DOT isn't exactly sedulous with some things.  --2604:2000:14C3:43AD:ADED:D313:E5D6:80C9 (talk) 01:19, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
 * O.K., all this stuff about Trowbridge Park not being a town is just nonsense. It is a neighbourhood that doesn't include all of itself, or it is several totally undefined neighbourhoods without names.  An unincorporated community is a type of town, and in Michigan, scads of unincorporated communities, towns, are part of the larger townships they're in, from Hurontown and Dodgeville to Bruce Crossing and Trowbridge Park.  These arguments at the best don't make any sense, and at worst are trivially refutable.  --2604:2000:14C3:43AD:BD10:1098:9206:E9B7 (talk) 01:55, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Take a look at Walter Romig's book on the history of Michigan's communities. You can find listings for:
 * Bruce Crossing (p. 83);
 * Dodgeville (p. 159);
 * Hurontown (p. 280); and
 * Tamarack (all three of them, p. 549).
 * Looking at the CDPs for Marquette County, and the book has listings for:
 * Big Bay (p. 60);
 * Gwinn (p. 245);
 * Harvey (p. 256);
 * K.I. Sawyer [Air Force Base] (p. 296);
 * Michigamme (p. 365);
 * Palmer (p. 427); and
 * Republic (p. 472).
 * Trowbridge Park and West Ishpeming are missing. Looking at post offices, the USPS has opened and named post offices for Big Bay, Gwinn, Michigamme, Palmer and Republic. Harvey is acceptable for addresses in the 49855 ZIP Code used for Marquette. K.I. Sawyer AFB had its own post office before the base was closed in 1995, and it used 49843 as distinct from 49841 used for Gwinn. West Ishpeming is not accepted by the USPS for addressing purposes as an alternate for Ishpeming. So on that basis, if Trowbridge Park is really a town, why does Romig omit it and why doesn't the USPS recognize it?
 * As a local resident, the concept of where Trowbridge Park is located doesn't square with the boundaries assigned by the Census Bureau. (In fact, the Census Bureau doesn't have align their CDP definitions with the local understanding of a community's location.) They use Wright Street (County Road 492), US 41/M-28 and the city–township line as borders. However, the neighborhood of Trowbridge Park (as a subdivision of the township) really encompasses the area east of Vandenboom Avenue (and about $1/8$ mi. west of Vandenboom) over to the city–township line, and it really doesn't extend all the way to the highway to include the commercial development there. The development around the Westwood Mall north through Venture Drive, Commerce Drive and the townhomes along Cedarville Drive doesn't really fit in the normal boundaries of what locals would call Trowbridge Park. The US Geological Survey quadrangle maps for the area label Trowbridge Park farther east, closer to the city in the residential areas immediately west of the city–township line and label the area near the mall as Brookton Corners.
 * In short: Trowbridge Park isn't considered a town, although the Census Bureau has defined boundaries for it for their statistical purposes. Those boundaries don't have to align with the local understanding of the area, and in this case, they don't.  Imzadi 1979  →   03:51, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * In a simpler example: there is a subdivision on the plat maps for Negaunee that is called "Beverly Hills". If you search for "Beverly Hills, Negaunee, MI" on Google Maps it will appear with a label. The Census Bureau has not created a CDP for that part of the city, but otherwise it is analogous to Trowbridge Park in Marquette Township.  Imzadi 1979  →   04:24, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Pronunciation
The IPA shown and the "romanized (?)" pronunciation don't match. I always thought the correct pronunciation was what is shown by IPA here, not the other one given. Anybody? YellowAries2010 (talk) 06:37, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

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Parkville?
The link to the citation failed. I searched manually for the reference. However,a reference to 'Parkerville' is not found as cited. The citation notes the name 'Lefleur's Bluff' rather than 'Parkerville'. I have corrected this once before so it might be vandalism.Church of the Rain (talk) 01:34, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Native Americans section
I don't know if it's just me, but the "Native Americans" block of the article's history section appears to be wildly biased in favor toward the viewpoint of the native Choctaw inhabitants. This section below is just one such example:

"The area now called Jackson was obtained by the United States under the terms of the Treaty of Doak's Stand in 1820, by which the white man stole the land owned by the Choctaw Native Americans. After the treaty was ratified, European-American terrorists began to invade the area, so many that they encroached on remaining Choctaw communal lands."

I don't know who added this, but it is incredibly biased and lacks any encyclopedic nature. Even the "reference" cited is just a photocopied Wikipedia article on the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek. I'd make the revisions to the paragraphs myself, but I'd rather report it and leave it to someone more informed on the background to resolve the issue. Vivaporius (talk) 13:06, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Missing?
I didn’t see a section on Reconstruction? The Mississippi Plan and Sovereignty Commission also seem to be absent? And are crime issues covered? FloridaArmy (talk) 13:42, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I added sectioning for the Reconstruction. Coverage needs to be expanded. I noted the Mississippi Plan in context. The establishment of schools for African Americans and African American representation in government needs to be added to the Reconstruction section. FloridaArmy (talk) 13:51, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Kwreview 197.157.187.147 (talk) 08:10, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Poorly written
I don't have time to do it myself but many sections of this article read like an 8th grade history report, and there are some subtle grammar errors, for instance missing commas between clauses. It doesn't affect the factual content to my knowledge, but it was distracting enough for me to notice. The Native American section with the quotations from the Choctaw is particularly bad. Many sections are also poorly organised and as noted elsewhere read like bullet-point lists. 87.254.85.72 (talk) 06:46, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Flag is not up to date
On the “quick facts” part of the article, the flag is showing a old version of the Mississippi flag. please fix this. 2600:1700:35A0:6930:D917:3335:B97F:4832 (talk) 20:14, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Weather stats
Anyone know how to add the average dew points? I have noticed that on other cities but missing on this one. 132.147.157.65 (talk) 04:34, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

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