text:
Talk:Trams in Melbourne

Size
There is a conflict between the "intro" section and the "fleet" section on the number of trams in the network. How many trams does Melbourne currently have???--60.242.47.8 (talk) 14:03, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

A quick question: it says Melbourne has the third largest tram network in world but nowhere on wikipedia can i find which two cities have bigger networks. does anyone know which cities they are?
 * They are European. Moscow is the largest from memory, I've been trying to locate the second for some time. Melbourne is definitely the biggest in the Anglosphere. SM247 My Talk  20:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * IINM, the second is Milan. 82.36.26.229 00:39, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

It is my impression that Milan is the biggest and Melbourne is next but if someone has some actual hard facts to deny or confirm this it would be nice.
 * The biggest tram systems in Poland are: Warsaw (470 km - 292 mi); Wrocław (258 km), Silesian_Interurbans (207 km, in 1970s - 235 km). I can't find any information on Moscow tram length. Tram system in Sankt Petersburg operated on 370 km of track, currently - 220 km. Information from various Wikipedia articles and sites on Polish trams. 84.10.164.171 (talk) 16:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Size of network is a bit undefined. Total route length should only count shared sections like Swanston St & St Kilda Road once. Other big networks include Toronto, Milan, Bucharest, Warsaw etc.

Melbourne doesn't have the largest tram network in the world: for example Milan's size is 286.8 km, nearl 42 km more than Melbourne. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.175.154.85 (talk) 10:20, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

The largest tram network depends how you measure size. Is is route kilometres (that is, how long all the routes are; and, if so, do you count short routes that operate along a longer route, such as just to an intermediary depot, as separate or part of the longer route; or as an earlier commenter suggested, should it exclude all shared sections of route)? The length of all tracks (and, if so, does this include sidings etc not covered by route services)? The area covered? The number of vehicles? The total capacity of all vehicles? The number of passengers? People often think that statistics are impartial but, when you delve into them, you always find there's a good reason why they're grouped with lies and damned lies. Zoe Ocean 05:53, 28 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zoe Buchanan (talk • contribs)

 * It is a perenial question among the tram buffs - some discussion can be found on Trams DownUnder http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/TramsDownUnder/, I pulled together a list of tram systems for a recent study of th eMelbourne Tramways - reporuduced here to help with the debate.
 * City	Population	City area	Total length or tramways (kms.)	Number of vehicles	Age of system	References
 * Amsterdam			81 	236		2007 http://www.gvb.nl/english/aboutgvb/facts-and-figures/Pages/facts-and-figures.aspx
 * Belgrave			127.3 	150	1892	Wikipedia
 * Berlin			188			http://www.bvg.de/index.php/en/17106/name/Tram.html
 * Bucharest		143 	506		http://www.ratb.ro/index.php?page=stats_cat
 * Budapest		153	911		2008 Wikipedia
 * Melbourne	4 million	8,806 km2	245	578 (inc. 38 W class)	1888 (cable) 1906 (electric)	http://www.yarratrams.com.au/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-47//74_read-117/
 * Milan	4.3 million	2,370 km2	286.8 track	400+	1881 (horse) 1893 (electric)	http://www.lrta.info/articles/art0503.html - n.b. inc 1930s Peter Witt bogie cars
 * Moscow	10 million	1,081 km2	444 route 		1870s (horse) 1899 (electric)	http://tram.ruz.net/routes/routes.htm http://www.moscow.info/essentials/trams.aspx
 * Prague	1.3 million		144 	968	1875	Wikipedia 2011
 * Saint Petersburg		228 	791		2008 http://citybus.cz/praha/aktevid_dp-ed/index.htm (Russian)
 * Silesian Interurbans	2 million		342 	371	1894	Trams & Interurbans in Silesia & Dabrowa Region - NB this is more an interurban rail system. http://historia.arch.p.lodz.pl/jw37/urbtr/sl-dabr-inurb.html
 * Sofia	1.2 million	492 km2	308, mostly single track	190 	1901	http://www.skgt-bg.com/History/Tram_en.htm
 * St Petersberg	4.8 million	605.8 km2	C 280, previously 678	950	1863 horse 1907 electric	Jane's Urban Transport Systems
 * Toronto	5.5 million	7,124 km2	305.8 route 156 double track	248 	1861 (horse) 1894 (electric)	Wikipedia 2008 http://www3.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Operating_Statistics/2008.jsp
 * Vienna	1.7 million	414.9 km2	179 	556 or 799	1863 (horse) 1883 (steam) 1897 (electric)	Wikipedia claims this is the third largest in the world http://world.nycsubway.org/eu/at/vienna.html2008; http://www.wien.gv.at/english/politics/statistics/pdf/public-transport.pdf
 * Zagreb			142	240	1891 (horse) 1902 (electric)	Wikipedia
 * Zurich:	0.4 million	91.88 km2	79 	317 	1882	2008 http://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/vbz/de/index/service/bookmark.html http://www.proaktiva.ch/tram/zurich/fleet.html#motormain
 * Garyvines (talk) 01:50, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

 * Although not the most used tram system in the world, we now have two citations, both from reputable sources that say that Melbourne has the largest system in the world, I'm not to sure if it's the largest by route KM, but in terms of actual track, Melbourne definitely seems to have the largest. Liamdavies (talk) 06:23, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

History section wrong
The history section is wrong. Melbourne's cable trams operated from 1885 to 1940 (http://www.tramway.org.au/collection-cable.php). Prior to 1885 the Melbourne Tramway and Omnibus Company was the Melbourne Omnibus Company, having started the first road-based fleet operation using horse-drawn buses (The People Movers: a History of Victoria's Private Bus Industry 1910-1992 by John Maddock 1992, Page 9). Horse-drawn trams operated in Melbourne from 1884 until 1923 (TMSV), but no mention of these is made on this page. In 1919 the Government formed the Melbourne and Metropolitan Tramways Board and began progressively taking over the cable-tram system and the numerous electric tram services established and operated by suburban councils and private companies, with the last being taken into Government control in 1922.

I'm not sure what the 1848 franchise refers to; as mentioned above, the Melbourne Tramway and Omnibus Company was not called this at this time; furthermore, Victoria was still part of New South Wales at this time and the population did not start to boom until the gold rush of 1851, with most public transport developing taking place after this time. Could it be that '1848' should be '1884' perhaps? Zoe Ocean — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zoe Buchanan (talk • contribs) 05:05, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

W Class
It would be nice to have a picture of a W-class tram...

Hi Adam. Are you sure that move was wise?

We had a good little article about the W-class trams, now we have a disjointed mess. If you intend to do something with it, that's fine, but in its present state this entry would be better reverted. Better a competent article about a small subject than a poor one about a larger subject. Tannin

Once the bug that is preventing me editing is fixed, I will write a proper article about the whole tram system, of which the W-class is only a part, and not very meaningful to anyone who doesn't live in Melbourne. Adam 12:17, 31 Jan 2004 (UTC)

 * Cool. Go to it! Tannin

Does this article really need the ", Australia" in its name? The main Melbourne article long ago changed from Melbourne, Australia; I think the city is significant enough to loose the suffix in page titles. Hypernovean 07:02, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Classes of Melbourne trams in service
I don't know exactly what they should be, but the dates in the table in this section are wrong. Philip J. Rayment 15:47, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * They're meant to be an indication of the 'era' the trams were introduced in - if you can fix them up, please do so. T.P.K. 08:30, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

A1 class
The article has picture of an A1 class tram, but the text has no reference to this class. Which is right?. -- Chris j wood 17:53, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Z class
There seems to me to be some differences in Z class trams, particularly door configuration (2 wide doors at front/middle vs 2 small (each end), 1 wide (central)). If anyone has more info on Z-class, it might be good to add it...? Natronomonas 05:46, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Tram stop closures in CBD
Shouldn't it possibly be noted here about the stop closures in the CBD to make way for "more efficient" service with the Super-Stops? The other month their was actually a funeral for the stop on Collins and Exhibition street, I am searching for the program I had to upload onto this site, but I remember they placed the sign into a coffin and littered it with expired metcards then marched it to Spring Street to ask the Transport minister to bring it back to life... S.george 08:37, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

New Extended tram
At the risk of raising hackles.. I have noticed that there has been 'extended' lenght trams (at least one) introduced into the city recently.. (Its more than three sections) does anyone know about these.. would be a good additional note to make Abeorch 04:45, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Future tram designs
The Melba 2011 model is currently being designed as a State government plan to upgrade tram services. (text now scrubbed)

Actually, not. It is part of a design competition held by United Group Rail (Goninan)/Alstom for an internship at Alstom's design HQ in France, only open to University students, and designs such as Melba 2011 have little to do with what the Government/Yarra Trams will eventually purchase, apart from any feedback and design decisions, such as those in Melba 2011.

Unlike the privatisation process where tenderers specified what rollingstock they would like the government to order for them, AFAIK the next one is open to anyone - *rumoured* to have local content+build as a preference - apparently Bombardier is chasing it. --Mcbridematt 13:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Gauge
I think this article would benefit from adding the gauge of the tram rail network, with a comment that it is different from melbourne's heavy rail network gauge. --NcLean 25 September 2006
 * Good idea. Do you want to add that?  Or would you rather someone else add it?  See WP:Bold if you are not sure. Philip J. Rayment
 * Speaking of gauges, I would like to know what these trams run on? Uzaiyaro 11:56, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * They're standard gauge (1435mm). It's in one of the tram pages... maybe not this one yet.Natronomonas 10:35, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The Tram network is 4' 8.5" Standard Gauge while the trains are 5' 3" Victorian Broad Gauge.
 * There appears to be a contradicton. See Talk:Trams in Melbourne below. Peter Horn 02:53, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Question about rail gauge
Is it or  gauge?? See Trams in Melbourne. Peter Horn 02:45, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * See also Talk:Trams in Melbourne above. Peter Horn 02:55, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The track gauge is standard gauge. The part in the history section I assume you're referring to is talking about the VR street railway which was a separate network to the then-MMTB (now Yarra Trams) network and was closed in 1959. - invincible (talk) 12:51, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Proposed policy on public transport
Please see User:Mangoe/Wikipedia_is_not_a_timetable for a proposed policy on public transport. Josh Parris #: 01:33, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Combino Plus ???
Any info on the new Seimens Combino Plus trams running on the network ? These things rock. --Biatch 23:47, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I think it's only on loan as a trial: http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/government-to-buy-30-new-trains/2007/03/15/1173722655201.html Natronomonas 01:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Map error
The 59 terminus is mislabelled. It should be Airport West. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.79.144 (talk) 00:49, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

"Very slow" patronage increase in the late-1990s
This sentence in the "Rebirth" section puzzles me somewhat:
 * A very slow increase in patronage, beginning in the late 1990s, is solely due to the revival of the inner urban population.

Wouldn't a revival of "inner urban" (inner city?) population help tram patronage, where the network is most dominant and centers? How "inner" are we talking here, central business district? And wouldn't the events of the 1990s, with the industrial action, replacement of conductors with ticket machines, ticketing ('scratchies' followed by Metcard), and privatisation – all leading to whopping amounts of fare evasion – be the or at least a cause for a slow-er increase of patronage, as is written in the last sentence of the following paragraph? Patronage is typically measured by fare sales, so imagine if all those imbeciles bothered to buy tickets... SEO75  [  talk  ] 02:23, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

 * I'm removing "very slow" from that sentence. My interpretation of the passage there was that due to gentrification and subsequent growth of the inner suburbs, passenger numbers had stopped declining and started increasing again. That's the important point, the rate of change less so. - invincible (talk) 13:00, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Eastlink Light Rail Reservation
The only source cited is a pdf factsheet that has a sentance saying "EastLink allows for future public transport initiatives including bus services and heavy and light rail." That doesn't sound anything like the claim made. LamontCranston (talk) 04:39, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

And you've now gone and added two tramlines in the north of your map without any supporting evidence for them, wtf? LamontCranston (talk) 20:10, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

is it really the biggest network?
Milan, Italy has over 300 km of tram tracks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.100.20.178 (talk) 21:10, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

I suspect the figure in the article only accounts for length of route, Melbourne has double track so the actual amount of track is double. --Mcbridematt (talk) 10:21, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Expansion needed
Some glaring omissions: 203.7.140.3 (talk) 01:57, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The Kew and Coburg horse tramways
 * Prahran and Malvern Tramways Trust
 * Melbourne, Brunswick and Coburg Tramways Trust
 * Hawthorn Tramways Trust
 * Fitzroy, Northcote and Preston Tramways Trust
 * Footscray Tramways Trust
 * Fleet ignores the Old A class (A, B, H, J, M & S classes - Single-truck California combination cars), C class (C, E, N & P classes - Maximum traction, bogie, drop-end and centre combination), G class (F, G, K, Q & R classes - Single-truck, straight-sill, closed combination cars), L class, O class, T class, U class, V class, Y/Y1 class, X/X1/X2 class, PCC cars and ex-Sydney K class converted to rail scrubbers.
 * The map should include all tram routes that have ever existed in Melbourne, not just current routes with current route numbers and fare zones. In other words, it should include routes which have been closed and dismantled (e.g. North Carlton (Rathdowne Street) cable line, West Melbourne cable line, Collingwood cable line, Windsor - St Kilda cable line, Elsternwick - Point Ormond line, Puckle Street line).

 * Please feel free to add what you can in those areas. HiLo48 (talk) 00:53, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Hook Turn
I believe there is at least Hook Turn in Adelaide, to cater for the Glenelg tram there. Can someone confirm? If so, article should be corrected. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.104.106.84 (talk) 12:08, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Proposed extensions, St Kilda to Port Melbourne
Ok, I know this is original research, but the statement that a trip from St Kilda to Port Melbourne via Southbank on the current network would be around 20km is not correct. A Google Maps search shows that it's about 9km. 210.10.106.131 (talk) 03:35, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Privatisation
Is 'privatisation' the right word given that the Government still owns the business but contracts out responsibility for operating it? The Government itself calls the operations 'franchises', so perhaps this section would be better entitled 'franchising' or something similar? Zoe Ocean 22:49, 28 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zoe Buchanan (talk • contribs)

Split "Proposals for Network expansion" to a new page
The section "Proposals for Network expansion" takes up much of this page, and adds very little, many are proposals from a variety of different groups and it is really nothing more that a wish list of line extensions. I therefore suggest splitting the section to a new page titled something like; "Proposals for the expansion of Melbourne tram network". If any of these proposals become more than simply suggestions they should be brought back in a "Future" section that would include things that are variably about to happen to the network, such as the introduction of the Melbourne E class tram, or things that Yarra Trams wishes to, or will do to the network in the foreseeable future.

I recommend this as part of a general clean up of this article, as I think we should be aiming to get this to GA standard. If I don't hear any feedback within the next few weeks, I will assume there is no objection and be bold. Liamdavies (talk) 15:19, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree that this section adds very little. However, I think there are two difficulties with your suggestion.  First, I take the view that the content of this section is probably not notable enough to justify anything more than perhaps a bullet point list of proposals.  They are, after all, just proposals.  And if they are not really notable enough to justify a detailed discussion in the main page, then they are similarly not really notable enough to justify their own page.  Secondly, I'm not sure what an appropriate name for the recommended new page might be.  Your suggested name, it seems to me, simply emphasises the point I have just made, namely that mere proposals are not really notable enough in themselves.  I am also not aware of any existing page with a similar name or similar content.  I would therefore suggest that the solution to the problem you have identified is to thin out the section by reducing each proposal to a short bullet point.  Finally, I agree that this article should be brought to GA standard.  I will shortly be adding a sentence (with reference) confirming that the Melbourne tramway network is currently the biggest in the world, ahead of St Petersburg, Berlin, Moscow and Vienna, in that order.  So it's clearly important enough to warrant a GA article.  Regards, Bahnfrend (talk) 07:26, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your input. I probably tend to agree with about the list of proposals not being notable enough to justify their own page, I guess my main thing is that they shouldn't be on this page, it seems completely un-encyclopedic. What would you think about condensing the whole lot into a paragraph along the lines of "over many years differing organisations such as the MMTB, PTUA, Australian Green Party, ALP and Liberal party have proposed extensions, although many of theses don't go beyond the proposal stage" but obviously cited, more elaborate, and more encyclopedic? I would advocate putting this, "Modernisation" and "Recent extensions" into one section labeled "Present" or "Recent events" as a sub heading of "History". What would think of this? Liamdavies (talk) 11:21, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

In view of Bahnfrend's comment, which I tend to agree with, I now have a new proposal. As mentioned above, place "Modernisation" and "Recent extensions" into one section labeled "Present" or "Recent events" with a paragraph outlining that many organisations have been proposing extensions for ages, but that many do not come to fruition, and make the following moves/deletions:

Mode Connectivity Links - Moved to respective tram route pages (3, 6, 8, 16, 72) Balwyn - Heidelberg - Delete, http://www.thepeopleplan.org.au/ is down, it hardly seems notable to be added if it was a political parties proposition for an election, and the page is down less than a year after the election, making citing it harder. Burwood - Doncaster Hill - Delete, as above. Sunshine - Highpoint - Delete, as above. Moonee Ponds - Clifton Hill - Delete, as above. South Melbourne - Toorak - Moved to a new Transport section in South Melbourne, Victoria (which would include what trams runs through South Melbourne), possibly mentioned on route 1 and 8 pages. Carnegie Tram-Train link - Moved to route 67 page. Knox City - Moved to route 75 page (most is already there, just fill in a few gaps). Doncaster - References to route 48 moved to route 48 page, rest deleted as it's mentioned in Doncaster_railway_line Eastlink Light Rail Reservation - Reference to rail reservation put in EastLink (Melbourne) Port Melbourne proposals (including: St Kilda-Port Melbourne link and Fishermans Bend proposal) - Moved to Port Melbourne, Victoria Melbourne - Footscray Light Rail Reservation - Moved to Docklands, Victoria and mentioned in Footscray, Victoria (already mentioned on route 86 page) Williamstown - Moved to Williamstown, Victoria Fawkner Extension - References to route 19 extension moved to route 19 page, rest deleted as its covered in Upfield railway line (I'll also added that it was proposed by the MBCTT in the late 1910's, I have a reference to that)

Thoughts fellow wikipedians? Liamdavies (talk) 14:21, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with these suggestions. The main article and the individual route articles also need some more images.  I have already changed the infobox image, and will be adding some other images soon. Bahnfrend (talk) 05:10, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

I have carried out the moves I suggested earlier, and removed the split template. I'll make some effort in placing "Modernisation" and "Recent extensions" into one section, probably called "Recent events" with a paragraph outlining that many organisations have been proposing extensions for ages when I get some more time, probably in the next couple of days. Liamdavies (talk) 15:06, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Image queue
I formated and added pictures to the page, there was a huge stacking problem which I've now solved, but to avoid stacking and general layout issues at high resolutions (1920*1080) I had to remove two images of cable trams, so I'm creating an image queue here (I've put them in a gallery to avoid stacking on the talk page).

Another image to the queue. Liamdavies (talk) 16:43, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

COI
Hi all,

I probably have a slight COI, and would like input. I'm a member of a tramway preservation group, and am wondering about the use of this groups historical articles as citations and external links in this article. I also want to know whether it's acceptable to use Yarra Trams website (the history section) as citations in this page, I think that should be fine, but want to check. I'd appreciate feedback on this to know where I stand. Liamdavies (talk) 17:09, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

E class trams
I've removed the following from the main article for two reasons, firstly the trams aren't running so it seems a little premature to place them in a section about the current fleet, and secondly they are already mentioned in "Recent" and much of the info is duplicated, when they are introduced they're section should be reinstated with pictures and more info.

Section removed;

E-class trams (Bombardier Flexity Swift)
The E class trams are planned to be introduced from 2012. They are being built by Bombardier Transportation in their Dandenong factory, with the propulsion systems and bogies coming from Bombardier’s factories in Germany. The trams have three articulated units and four bogies, measuring 33 metres long, Length: 33.45 m, 2.65 m wide and 3.65 m high, have 64 seats and a total passenger capacity of 210. A $303 million order for 50 trams, with maintenance to 2017 and an option for a further 100 vehicles was announced on 29 September 2010.

It is also proposed to upgrade the Preston Tram Workshops to accommodate both maintenance facilities and tram storage.

End of section removed. Liamdavies (talk) 06:38, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * External link and images - Vicsig

Photos.
The infobox picture has been changed a few times as of late (including by me), and I wouldn't mind a discussion to sort out what should be there. I don't feel that the one currently there is very typical, it's of the two smallest and newest fleets operating (5 C2s, 21 D2s), which combined are still smaller than either W, Z1/2, Z3, A or B classes, even as far as low floors go, there are more of either C or D1 classes, which just doesn't seem that representative of; class variation, size/length of vehicle, lowfloor and age of fleet. I think this gives a false illusion of the system at first glance, which is what the info box is there to do. The location is also not very prominent and only shows one route, 96 which although busy, isn't the busiest. I think a photo from St Kilda Road or Swanston St with a few different classes on a few different routes would seem more appropriate (which is why I went out and took one outside Flinders Street Station, although I must stress I'm not welded to that photo). Thoughts? Liamdavies (talk) 14:09, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I don't think it needs to be representative of the biggest, largest, or busiest, but rather an image of the subject in question, in this case - Melbourne trams. Even if they are small, they are still a Melbourne tram, and to me, they are the ones that I commonly see when I am in Melbourne, especially the C2 on the left. 101.103.29.58 (talk) 14:21, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * As an image of the subject in question it should be representative of the system, not just a photo of a Melbourne tram, this is my complaint about the current photo in the infobox, it is a good photo, but would be more suited to the route 96 page infobox, as it represents the heart of that route, with the two trams that run it. As a side note C2s are not common, there are only 5 and they can only operate on route 96, out of a fleet of ~480, they are very rare, only a little more common than Z2s. Liamdavies (talk) 14:50, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I took the C2/D2 image, and I agree that it's not very representative. I put it there mainly because the previous image, a D class in Bank of Melbourne wrap livery outside the Melb town hall, was just a bit too cheesy, and also not very representative (wrap liveried trams are not very common, and the individual designs for each advertiser are rare).  I think the infobox image needs to be a good image, and representative, in that order.  The C2/D2 image passes that test for the route 96 article, but we can probably find a better one for the main article.  May I suggest this one?  It's a good image, taken in Swanston Street on a rainy day, and features a Z3 and a B2, both in standard liveries.  Yes, I took this one as well, and it's already in the Swanston Street article, but we can find another image to replace it there. Bahnfrend (talk) 15:14, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

I enjoy the Swanston Street one. I'm partial to the current one and the rainy one because it has a very Melbourne feel to it. A tram along Collins or Swanston is a very iconic image which is why I personally believe the current image and the one suggested by Bahnfrend are great. 58.169.215.13 (talk) 00:38, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

 * I've changed the infobox photo to the one Bahnfrend suggested, but I must register my protest that the photo shows Melbourne raining, way to reinforce the stereotype!!! I would still like one that shows a little of Melbourne, maybe something that highlights something iconically Melbourne, not just the trams, but this is much better and much more representative. Thanks and good consensus people (I'm assuming both IPs are the same person, would you consider creating an account IP?). Liamdavies (talk) 13:32, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Would love to, but I was blocked when I was new to Wiki and was uploading copyright images without even knowing/understanding. Now that I understand completely, it's frustrating not being able to upload my/Creative Commons images. 58.169.215.13 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:31, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Resources.
Someone just put a great article from 1916 in the lead, unfortunately it doesn't fit at all with the sentence it was meant to support, but here it is : It will undoubtedly be of use later on, (probably in both cable trams and MMTB sections. Liamdavies (talk) 07:58, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Editorialising
The text By the mid-1970s, as other cities became increasingly choked in traffic and air pollution, Melbourne was convinced that its decision to retain its trams was the correct one, even though patronage had been declining since the 1950s in the face of increasing use of cars and the shift to the outer suburbs, beyond the tram network's limits'. is no more than editorialising in its present vague and unsourced form. It doesn't say who in Melbourne (certainly not everyone), and if it did say who that would need to be sourced.

Certainly I lived in the middle suburbs of Melbourne in the 1970s, beyond the tram network, and many people had the attitude that it was an expensive anachronism kept on partly as a social service for poorer suburbs, partly through lack of backbone by various state governments in standing up to consituencies.

I would suggest that, since this is not an article on comparative forms of transport, the passage be removed. It is enough that it says the network remained operating. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.209.189.157 (talk) 13:30, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Reprised vs Reprieved - Popular culture section
Pretty sure ″reprised ″ was meant here, as that means ″resumed or repeated″, whereas ″reprieved″ means ″cancelled (as of a punishment or sentence)″ - would only be appropriate if the Art programme had operated continuously, and then received a reprieve from a proposed scrapping at some point. 220.237.11.191 (talk) 07:01, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Map image missing permission
Melbourne tram system map image at is pending speedy deletion as an instance of copyright violation due to missing evidence of permission. User:Pe88lz made this upload as hir only contribution to Commons. Could someone verify this in some way, or replace this file by an equivalent one? Tuvalkin (talk) 21:41, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 5 external links on Trams in Melbourne. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20130512234645/http://www.tramway.org.au/runningjournal/rj_vol9_no3.pdf to http://www.tramway.org.au/runningjournal/rj_vol9_no3.pdf
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20111002042901/http://access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/component/daPublicBaseContainer?component=daViewAgency&entityId=1038 to http://access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/component/daPublicBaseContainer?component=daViewAgency&entityId=1038
 * Added tag to http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQQ/is_10_40/ai_66931446/
 * Added tag to http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQQ/is_6_41/ai_80898097/
 * Corrected formatting/usage for http://franklin.dpc.vic.gov.au/domino/Web_Notes/newmedia.nsf/798c8b072d117a01ca256c8c0019bb01/861b4c03c1c2088fca256d410008cf92%21OpenDocument
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20131104075947/http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/longer-and-louder-new-eclass-tram-makes-itself-heard-20131104-2wvt8.html to http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/longer-and-louder-new-eclass-tram-makes-itself-heard-20131104-2wvt8.html
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120426061203/http://www.terrymulder.com.au/media-releases/first-look-at-melbourne-s-new-trams to http://www.terrymulder.com.au/media-releases/first-look-at-melbourne-s-new-trams

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 06:19, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 6 external links on Trams in Melbourne. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20111114222417/http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Moreinfoandservices/PublicTransport/TramProjects/ThinkTramProgram.htm to http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Moreinfoandservices/PublicTransport/TramProjects/ThinkTramProgram.htm
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120424011139/http://www.tramway.org.au/reflections.php?p=a_brief_history_of_the_north_melbourne_electric_tramways_and_lighting_company_limited to http://www.tramway.org.au/reflections.php?p=a_brief_history_of_the_north_melbourne_electric_tramways_and_lighting_company_limited
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20111002042738/http://access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/component/daPublicBaseContainer?component=daViewAgency&entityId=1044 to http://access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/component/daPublicBaseContainer?component=daViewAgency&entityId=1044
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080507070201/http://access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/component/daPublicBaseContainer?component=daViewAgency&entityId=2984 to http://access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/component/daPublicBaseContainer?component=daViewAgency&entityId=2984
 * Corrected formatting/usage for http://yarratrams.com.au/using-trams/service-changes/service-changes/2015/timetable-changes/
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20130923034851/http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/7215-first-of-50-new-generation-trams-arrives-for-testing.html to http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/7215-first-of-50-new-generation-trams-arrives-for-testing.html

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 22:54, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Additional Former Depots
I've finally narrowed down the location of the old East Coburg tram depot (North-eastern corner of Nicholson and Moreland rds) that closed in the 1950s. Shall I write an article up? Reynardo (talk) 02:03, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:Trams in Melbourne


text:
Dutton, Alabama

Dutton is a town in Jackson County, Alabama, United States. It was incorporated in 1963. As of the 2010 census, the population of the town was 315, up from 310 in 2000. Dutton is located atop Sand Mountain.

History
Dutton was founded in 1888, and was initially known by several different names, including "Press," "Barnes," "Callahan," and "Fern Hill." When urged by the U.S. Postal Service to choose a permanent name in 1896, the town chose "Dutton" in honor of a prominent local businessman.

Geography
Dutton is located at 34.60778°N, -85.91556°W (34.607639, -85.915563). The town is situated along State Route 71 between Section and Pisgah, near the western edge of Sand Mountain.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the town has a total area of 0.9 sqmi, all land.

Demographics
As of the census of 2000, there were 310 people, 120 households, and 87 families residing in the town. The population density was 360.6 PD/sqmi. There were 137 housing units at an average density of 159.4 /sqmi. The racial makeup of the town was 97.10% White, 2.26% Native American, and 0.65% from two or more races. 0.65% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

There were 120 households, out of which 36.7% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 60.8% were married couples living together, 7.5% had a female householder with no husband present, and 27.5% were non-families. 25.0% of all households were made up of individuals, and 14.2% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.58 and the average family size was 3.08.

In the town, the population was spread out, with 26.8% under the age of 18, 6.8% from 18 to 24, 28.7% from 25 to 44, 25.8% from 45 to 64, and 11.9% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 34 years. For every 100 females, there were 90.2 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 89.2 males.

The median income for a household in the town was $32,125, and the median income for a family was $35,000. Males had a median income of $23,500 versus $18,438 for females. The per capita income for the town was $14,052. About 1.1% of families and 7.2% of the population were below the poverty line, including 3.3% of those under the age of eighteen and 21.1% of those 65 or over.

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: Dutton, Alabama


text:
Hollywood, Alabama

Hollywood is a town in Jackson County, northeast Alabama, United States. In 2020, the census showed a population of 914 residents. Hollywood is considered a suburb of Scottsboro, the county seat. The town is the site of the Tennessee Valley Authority's never-completed Bellefonte Nuclear Generating Station. The TVA sold the plant, and as of 2018, it is to be developed by private interests.

History
Originally established as Samples on December 14, 1883, the town was renamed as Hollywood on May 13, 1887. It formally incorporated on May 24, 1897, and held its first election on June 8 of that year.

In 1994, it and 10 other towns named Hollywood successfully fought Hollywood, California's attempt to trademark its name and force same-named communities to pay royalties to it. A key point was that Hollywood in Alabama was the first incorporated Hollywood in the nation, whereas the one in California did not incorporate until 1903, 6 years after Alabama's. In addition, it merged with Los Angeles in 1910 and was no longer identified as a separate city.

Geography
Hollywood is located at 34.71694°N, -85.96556°W (34.716960, -85.965689).

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the town has a total area of 8.9 sqmi, of which 8.9 sqmi is land and 0.11% is water.

Demographics
As of the census of 2000, there were 950 people, 375 households, and 265 families residing in the town. The population density was 106.6 PD/sqmi. There were 404 housing units at an average density of 45.3 /sqmi. The racial makeup of the town was 80.63% White, 16.32% Black or African American, 0.32% Native American, 0.11% from other races, and 2.63% from two or more races. 0.42% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

There were 375 households, out of which 32.8% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 51.2% were married couples living together, 14.7% had a female householder with no husband present, and 29.1% were non-families. 25.3% of all households were made up of individuals, and 8.0% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.53 and the average family size was 3.03.

The town's population was spread out, with 26.7% under the age of 18, 7.1% from 18 to 24, 31.8% from 25 to 44, 24.7% from 45 to 64, and 9.7% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 37 years. For every 100 females, there were 94.3 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 92.8 males. Beaver creek was the main road in the community. Star Island convent is also a main attraction for visitors. The town is historically known for the large sinkhole that appeared in 1892. The event caused the deaths of 17 people. The median income for a household in the town was $27,500, and the median income for a family was $34,306. Males had a median income of $26,667 versus $21,563 for females. The per capita income for the town was $16,498. About 6.8% of families and 11.2% of the population were below the poverty line, including 9.9% of those under age 18 and 10.6% of those age 65 or over.

Notable persons

 * Human Tornado, Craig Williams, born 1983 in Hollywood, Alabama, known by his "ring name" as a professional wrestler and champion.
 * Amy O'Neill, former actress.

title: Hollywood, Alabama


text:
Hytop, Alabama

Hytop is a town in Jackson County, Alabama, United States. It incorporated on May 17, 1991. As of the 2010 census, the population of the town was 354, up from 315 in 2000. The Walls of Jericho, a popular hiking area, is located just north of Hytop.

Geography
Hytop is located at 34.90472°N, -86.08667°W (34.904816, -86.086634). The town is situated atop the Cumberland Plateau just south of the Alabama-Tennessee state line. State Route 79 traverses Hytop, connecting the town with Skyline to the south, and Tennessee to the north. The highway becomes Tennessee State Route 16 at the border, and continues northward to Winchester, Tennessee. A narrow valley carved by Hurricane Creek (a tributary of the Paint Rock River) is located just west of Hytop, and The Walls of Jericho lie near the head of this valley at the state line.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the town has a total area of 2.3 sqmi, all land.

Demographics
As of the census of 2000, there were 315 people, 124 households, and 108 families residing in the town. The population density was 139.5 PD/sqmi. There were 139 housing units at an average density of 61.5 /sqmi. The racial makeup of the town was 96.19% White, 1.27% Native American, and 2.54% from two or more races. 0.32% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

There were 124 households, out of which 37.9% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 76.6% were married couples living together, 7.3% had a female householder with no husband present, and 12.1% were non-families. 10.5% of all households were made up of individuals, and 4.8% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.54 and the average family size was 2.72.

In the town, the population was spread out, with 23.8% under the age of 18, 9.2% from 18 to 24, 34.9% from 25 to 44, 24.4% from 45 to 64, and 7.6% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 35 years. For every 100 females, there were 99.4 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 90.5 males.

The median income for a household in the town was $34,306, and the median income for a family was $34,821. Males had a median income of $29,107 versus $19,286 for females. The per capita income for the town was $15,093. None of the families and none of the population were living below the poverty line.

Radar site
The National Weather Service has a radar site in Hytop. It was damaged during the 2011 Super Outbreak, but later replaced.

title: Hytop, Alabama


text:
Langston, Alabama

Langston is a town in Jackson County, Alabama, United States, and is included in the Chattanooga-Cleveland-Dalton, TN-GA-AL Combined Statistical Area. In the 2010 census, the population was 270, up from 254. It initially incorporated in 1899. At some point after 1920 it disincorporated, then reincorporated in 1980 (after the census was taken that year, since it was not counted). Its peak population was 500, in 1920.

History
Langston was settled in the 1810s, and was initially known as "Coffeetown" after the Coffee brothers, who were among the early settlers. A post office was established in 1845 with Langston Coffee as the first postmaster. In 1869, most of Coffeetown's residents moved to Texas, and the following year, James Morgan sold lots for the creation of a new town. The new town was named "Langston" after Langston Coffee.

Langston initially thrived as a river port along the Tennessee River, eventually growing to include nine stores and a blacksmith. With the rise of railroad traffic in the late 19th century and automobile traffic in the early 20th, it began to decline. The construction of Guntersville Dam by the Tennessee Valley Authority in the late 1930s flooded a significant portion, further reducing its population.

Geography
Langston is located at 34.53482°N, -86.08217°W. The town is situated on the eastern shore of the Tennessee River, at river mile 377. This section of the river is part of Guntersville Lake, which is formed by Guntersville Dam nearly 30 mi downstream. Sand Mountain rises immediately to the east of Langston. Scottsboro lies across the river to the north, and Section lies atop Sand Mountain to the northeast. County Road 67 connects Langston with State Route 35 to the northeast.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the town has a total area of 8.3 sqmi, of which 5.0 sqmi is land and 3.2 sqmi (39.06%) is water.

Demographics
As of the census of 2000, there were 254 people, 109 households, and 80 families residing in the town. The population density was 50.4 PD/sqmi. There were 193 housing units at an average density of 38.3 /sqmi. The racial makeup of the town was 94.09% White, 3.15% Black or African American and 2.76% Native American.

There were 109 households, out of which 21.1% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 61.5% were married couples living together, 9.2% had a female householder with no husband present, and 25.7% were non-families. 25.7% of all households were made up of individuals, and 12.8% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.33 and the average family size was 2.74.

In the town, the population was spread out, with 19.3% under the age of 18, 6.3% from 18 to 24, 22.4% from 25 to 44, 35.0% from 45 to 64, and 16.9% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 46 years. For every 100 females, there were 91.0 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 89.8 males.

The median income for a household in the town was $33,333, and the median income for a family was $42,344. Males had a median income of $26,750 versus $29,375 for females. The per capita income for the town was $16,266. About 2.7% of families and 6.7% of the population were below the poverty line, including none of those under the age of eighteen and 13.9% of those 65 or over.

title: Langston, Alabama


text:
Paint Rock, Alabama

Paint Rock is a town in Jackson County, Alabama, United States, along the Paint Rock River, and is included in the Huntsville-Decatur Combined Statistical Area. It was incorporated in July 1894.

As of the 2010 census, the population of the town was 210, up from 185 in 2000. This was the first time in 100 years it increased in population. Out of 13 incorporated communities in Jackson County, it is the least populated. Its peak population was in 1910 when it had 534 people and was the 4th largest town in the county.

Paint Rock is the location where the Scottsboro Boys were arrested.

History
Paint Rock was settled in the 1820s, and was initially known as "Camden." A post office was established in 1836, and a railroad depot was constructed in 1856. The name was changed from Camden to "Paint Rock" in 1876.

Ray Albright (1934-2017), Tennessee state legislator and businessman, was born in Paint Rock.

Geography
Paint Rock is located at 34.66028°N, -86.32806°W (34.660172, -86.328018). The town is situated along the Paint Rock River in a relatively narrow valley between Keel Mountain to the west and the Cumberland Plateau to the east. Gurley lies to the northwest, Woodville lies to the southeast, and Owens Cross Roads lies across Keel Mountain to the southwest. The Fern Cave National Wildlife Refuge is located along the base of the Cumberland Plateau just east of Paint Rock. U.S. Route 72 passes through Paint Rock, connecting the town with Scottsboro to the east and Huntsville to the west.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the town has a total area of 0.4 sqmi, all land.

Demographics
As of the census of 2000, there were 185 people, 81 households, and 57 families residing in the town. The population density was 415.9 PD/sqmi. There were 94 housing units at an average density of 211.3 /sqmi. The racial makeup of the town was 96.76% White, 0.54% Native American, and 2.70% from two or more races.

There were 81 households, out of which 27.2% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 54.3% were married couples living together, 11.1% had a female householder with no husband present, and 29.6% were non-families. 29.6% of all households were made up of individuals, and 13.6% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.28 and the average family size was 2.77.

In the town, the population was spread out, with 18.4% under the age of 18, 14.1% from 18 to 24, 24.9% from 25 to 44, 24.9% from 45 to 64, and 17.8% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 38 years. For every 100 females, there were 92.7 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 98.7 males.

The median income for a household in the town was $35,521, and the median income for a family was $36,875. Males had a median income of $28,750 versus $16,719 for females. The per capita income for the town was $15,551. About 8.3% of families and 10.8% of the population were below the poverty line, including none of those under the age of eighteen or sixty-five or over.

title: Paint Rock, Alabama


text:
Pisgah, Alabama

Pisgah is a town in Jackson County, Alabama, United States, and is included in the Huntsville-Decatur Combined Statistical Area. It incorporated in 1947. As of the 2020 census, the population of the town was 681, down from 722 in 2010. Pisgah is located atop Sand Mountain.

History
Pisgah was first settled in the late 1830s. A post office was established in 1878.

Geography
Pisgah is located at 34.685°N, -85.84667°W (34.685022, -85.846575). The town is situated just off State Route 71, northeast of Section and northwest of Henagar. It lies along the western edge of Sand Mountain, with the Tennessee River (Guntersville Lake) below.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the town has a total area of 4.8 sqmi, all land.

Demographics
As of the census of 2000, there were 706 people, 294 households, and 206 families residing in the town. The population density was 147.1 PD/sqmi. There were 323 housing units at an average density of 67.3 /sqmi. The racial makeup of the town was 94.33% White, 0.14% Black or African American, 3.40% Native American, and 2.12% from two or more races. 0.28% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

There were 294 households, out of which 32.0% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 54.8% were married couples living together, 12.2% had a female householder with no husband present, and 29.6% were non-families. 28.9% of all households were made up of individuals, and 15.0% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.40 and the average family size was 2.95.

In the town, the population was spread out, with 25.4% under the age of 18, 9.3% from 18 to 24, 28.9% from 25 to 44, 20.4% from 45 to 64, and 16.0% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 36 years. For every 100 females, there were 87.3 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 82.4 males.

The median income for a household in the town was $28,750, and the median income for a family was $36,250. Males had a median income of $26,146 versus $17,917 for females. The per capita income for the town was $14,503. About 9.5% of families and 10.4% of the population were below the poverty line, including 14.2% of those under age 18 and 15.0% of those age 65 or over.

Pisgah High School
Pisgah High School is a kindergarten through twelfth grade school and is part of the Jackson County school system. Enrollment is around 570 students.

title: Pisgah, Alabama


text:
Pleasant Groves, Alabama

Pleasant Groves is a town in Jackson County, Alabama, United States. It incorporated on February 17, 1993. As of the 2010 census, the population of the town was 420, down from 447 in 2000.

Geography
Pleasant Groves is located at 34°44'29" North, 86°11'26" West (34.741295, -86.190445). The town is situated on a narrow ridge that extends outward from the Cumberland Plateau in western Jackson County. Woodville lies at the base of the plateau to the southwest, Skyline lies along the plateau to the northeast, and the Paint Rock River flows through the valley to the northwest. County Road 8 is the primary traffic artery in Pleasant Groves.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the town has a total area of 3.8 sqmi, all land.

Demographics
As of the census of 2000, there were 447 people, 166 households, and 138 families residing in the town. The population density was 118.4 PD/sqmi. There were 177 housing units at an average density of 46.9 /sqmi. The racial makeup of the town was 89.04% White, 0.00% Black or African American, 5.37% Native American, 0.00% Asian, 0.00% Pacific Islander, 0.00% from other races, and 5.59% from two or more races. 0.22% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

There were 166 households, out of which 42.2% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 70.5% were married couples living together, 10.2% had a female householder with no husband present, and 16.3% were non-families. 15.1% of all households were made up of individuals, and 6.0% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.69 and the average family size was 3.00.

In the town, 27.1% of the population were under the age of 18, 10.7% from 18 to 24, 28.2% from 25 to 44, 24.8% from 45 to 64, and 9.2% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 33 years. For every 100 females, there were 95.2 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 89.5 males.

The median income for a household in the town was $33,854, and the median income for a family was $38,056. Males had a median income of $31,705 versus $17,222 for females. The per capita income for the town was $14,251. 6.4% of the population and 5.8% of families were below the poverty line. Out of the total population, 4.0% of those under the age of 18 and 17.9% of those 65 and older were living below the poverty line.

title: Pleasant Groves, Alabama


text:
Scottsboro, Alabama

Scottsboro is a city in and the county seat of Jackson County, Alabama, United States. The city was named for its founder Robert T. Scott. As of the 2020 census, the population of the city is 15,578.

From its incorporation in 1870 until 1890, it was the largest community in Jackson County, losing the distinction from 1900 to 1920 to Bridgeport, but reclaiming the title in 1930 and holding it since that time. It is located 30 miles each from the state boundaries of Georgia to the east (Dade County) and Tennessee to the north, about 45 miles from Huntsville, Alabama to the west and about 55 miles from Chattanooga, Tennessee to the northeast.

The city lent its name to the Scottsboro Boys case, which is one of the most important civil rights cases in the history of American jurisprudence.

Early history
Prior to Scottsboro's founding, the area surrounding the present-day city was inhabited by the Cherokee Indians. While the Tennessee Valley did not have large Native American settlements at the time of the first white settlers, there was a Cherokee town named "Sauta" near where Scottsboro developed along the Tennessee River.

As settlers began pouring into the eastern Tennessee region, chiefly from the Upper South, they found the Tennessee River to be an excellent source of food, water, and a way of shipping goods to the big cities. John Hunt, in 1805, decided to migrate to the area and built a small log cabin in the woods near the river. More people settled in the area, and Huntsville was formally incorporated in 1811.

More settlers moved into the Mississippi Territory, resulting in the statehood of Mississippi, and the creation of the Alabama Territory in 1818. Delegates from Tennessee and the newly formed Madison County met in Sauta Cave and decided to admit a new county. On December 13, 1819, Jackson County was formed. One day later, the State of Alabama was admitted into the Union as the 22nd state on December 14, 1819.

The first county seat of Jackson County was at Sauta, a former native town, near present-day Scottsboro. Early county meetings were held in Sauta cave. Sauta did not survive after the courthouse was moved to Bellefonte in 1821.

Since Bellefonte had better access to the Tennessee River than Sauta, more settlers started moving to the area. They were also attracted by it being the county seat.

Scottsboro's founder, Robert Thomas Scott, served in the Alabama Legislature for almost 20 years and later ran a hotel in Bellefonte.

Since he and his wife, Elizabeth, wanted a place to call their own and were not very fond of Bellefonte, they moved to Scottsboro around 1850–53. The town was called Scottsville, Scott's Mill, or Sage Town until 1868. In 1853, the newly formed Memphis and Charleston Railroad (a stretch of railroad that starts at Memphis, Tennessee, and ends in Charleston, South Carolina) decided to build a station at Scottsboro and did so in 1857. In the same year, passengers started disembarking at Scott's Station. On January 20, 1870, Scottsboro was incorporated by the Alabama Legislature. A. Snodgrass was the first mayor. Scottsboro got its first telegraph office in 1872.

Bellefonte citizens rejected the railroad because they did not want train travel to interfere with the town's thriving river trade. In addition, its low riverside land was not suitable for tracks.

In 1861/1863, the Bellefonte courthouse was set ablaze and charred. The area was heavily damaged during the U.S. Civil War.

Selection of the new county seat began in 1860 by having a contest to see which towns were suitable. Many of the county's towns pushed for their selection, but the leading candidates were Hollywood, Stevenson, Larkinsville, and Scotts-borough (Scottsboro). To narrow consideration, the county council decided that:

 * The town must be within 8 mi of the Memphis & Charleston Railroad line (the rising form of transportation).
 * The town must be near the center of the county.

The second requirement eliminated Stevenson and Larkinsville, and the County Commissioners ultimately selected Scottsboro as the county seat. This led to the rapid decline of Bellefonte, which also suffered from no railroad access. Courthouse construction began in 1868 with the jail following two years later. County commissioners sited the courthouse at its current location in the public square.

The 20th century brought great changes to Scottsboro. In 1902, two cases of smallpox were found but the disease did not spread more widely. In 1903, the first car that came to the town drove through the square en route from Ohio to Florida. In 1906, local blacksmith H.C. Payne built Scottsboro's first homemade automobile, which was made with a wooden frame, four sprocket wheels and hand-powered cranks. In 1911, the courthouse was set ablaze and was rebuilt. In 1912, the courthouse was demolished and an election was held to determine whether the courthouse would be moved to Stevenson or stay in Scottsboro (some Stevenson residents did not think Scottsboro deserved the role of county seat). Scottsboro won the vote and the present courthouse was built (It was later renovated and expanded in 1954.)

The Scottsboro Boys
The Scottsboro Boys case was among the most important civil rights cases in the history of American jurisprudence. It was twice appealed to the United States Supreme Court and established the principles that, in the United States, criminal defendants are entitled to effective assistance of counsel and that people may not be de facto excluded from juries due to their race.

In 1931 nine black youths, ranging in age from twelve to twenty, were accused in Scottsboro of raping two white women, Victoria Price and Ruby Bates, one of whom would later recant her accusation. The victims and accused alike had all hitched rides on a passing train on the Southern Railroad freight route from Chattanooga to Memphis on March 25, 1931. It happened to stop in Jackson County, Alabama where these women made their accusations to local officials against these black youths. The defendants were brought to Scottsboro for trial because it was the seat of Jackson County.

During the course of four trials, most of the youths were convicted and sentenced to death by all-white juries, although witnesses provided weak and contradictory testimonies. The case is now widely regarded (including in Scottsboro) as one of the worst travesties of justice perpetrated against blacks in the post-Reconstruction South. Only the first trials were held in Scottsboro. Of the original nine young black defendants (some of them minors at the time of arrest), accused of gang raping two fellow hobo white women on a freight train, eight were quickly convicted and sentenced to death by all-white juries in trials occurring in a mob atmosphere in Scottsboro.

The only two local attorneys who were willing to take the cases had few qualifications for criminal defense work. They were unable to put up much of a defense when the judge gave them no time to prepare their defenses before the trials. He started the first trial as soon as they agreed to take the cases, and then began each case as soon as the jury had gone out on the previous one.

In its two reviews of appeals from the case, the United States Supreme Court overturned their death sentences and convictions, saying that the convictions had been obtained by improper procedures. Those convicted spent at least six years and as many as nineteen years incarcerated in harsh local jails and state prisons. The Scottsboro Boys had served long prison sentences when Governor George Wallace partially mitigated this widely accepted injustice by issuing a pardon in 1976 for the one remaining Scottsboro defendant still imprisoned.

"In January, 2004, amidst television cameras and radio and newspaper reporters, a crowd gathered near the Jackson County Court House in Scottsboro to dedicate a historical marker commemorating the Scottsboro Boys' trial and their struggle for justice." "An 87-year-old black man who attended the ceremony, one of the few who could remember the cases firsthand, recalled that the mob scene following the Boys' arrest 'was frightening' and that death threats were leveled against the jailed suspects. He applauded the town's move to install the plaque on the courthouse yard. 'I think it will bring the races closer together,' he said, 'to understand each other better.'"

The Scottsboro Boys Museum was opened in this city in February 2010.

Modern history
In 1900, Scottsboro was home to about 1,000 residents.

Beginning in 1908, a ferry began transporting passengers and automobiles to and from Sand Mountain. In 1928–1931, the Kansas City Bridge Company built the B.B. Comer Bridge, a long steel bridge that now connects the county seat to Sand Mountain, almost tripling the town's population. The bridge entered use in July 1930. By 2007, the aging structure was classified by the Alabama Department of Transportation as being a structurally deficient bridge with an overall rating of 7.7 out of 100. Construction of a replacement bridge commenced in October 2007, and was expected to be complete by 2012. In 1932, a couple were wed on top of the bridge. The newlywed wife commented, "I wanted to be married where the light-blue water touches and meets with the light-blue sky…" In the 1980s, a second bridge was built to increase travel and reduce traffic on the B.B. Comer bridge.

In 1913, the city purchased approximately 30 acre for a water system on Sand Mountain. The first electric lights in Scottsboro became operational on January 21, 1916. Scottsboro's first hospital was established in 1923.

In 1927, aviator Charles Lindbergh performed stunts in his famous plane the Spirit of St. Louis. In 1932, Scottsboro officially became a "city" when an act of the Alabama Legislature bestowed that title on towns with more than 2,000 inhabitants. Scottsboro's population at the time was about 2,304.

In 1954, the courthouse was starting to deteriorate, so it was renovated and all the wooden walls were replaced with marble. Because of the growth in population and demand, more rooms were added to expand offices for services such as automobile tags and land records.

Since the early 1980s to the late 2000s, Scottsboro has seen substantial population growth and an economy moved away from its rural agrarian past to a more diversified one. Real estate in a small town environment and competitive state business tax rates both appealed to newcomers who bought homes and/or commuted to jobs in Chattanooga, Huntsville and Atlanta.

Geography
Scottsboro is located at 34.65139°N, -86.0425°W (34.651368, −86.042570).

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the city has a total area of 51.7 sqmi, of which, 47.3 sqmi of it is land and 4.4 sqmi of it (8.47%) is water. The water areas are the Tennessee River and its backwaters.

The section of the Tennessee River Valley that includes Scottsboro is geologically related to the Sequatchie Valley.

2000 census
As of the census of 2000, there were 14,762 people, 6,224 households, and 4,201 families residing in the city. The population density was 311.8 PD/sqmi. There were 6,848 housing units at an average density of 144.6 /sqmi. The racial makeup of the city was 91.11% White, 5.34% African American, 1.02% Native American, 0.54% Asian, 0.03% Pacific Islander, 0.56% from other races, and 1.42% from two or more races. 1.50% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

There were 6,224 households, out of which 28.7% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 52.5% were married couples living together, 12.0% had a female householder with no husband present, and 32.5% were non-families. 29.6% of all households were made up of individuals, and 13.1% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.32 and the average family size was 2.85.

In the city, the population was spread out, with 22.8% under the age of 18, 7.7% from 18 to 24, 27.8% from 25 to 44, 25.9% from 45 to 64, and 15.7% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 40 years. For every 100 females, there were 88.6 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 84.5 males.

The median income for a household in the city was $32,654, and the median income for a family was $42,509. Males had a median income of $32,318 versus $21,965 for females. The per capita income for the city was $18,430. About 9.9% of families and 14.3% of the population were below the poverty line, including 19.1% of those under age 18 and 20.5% of those age 65 or over.

2010 census
As of the census of 2010, there were 14,770 people, 6,245 households, and 4,141 families residing in the city. The population density was 285.5 PD/sqmi. There were 7,039 housing units at an average density of 136.2 /sqmi. The racial makeup of the city was 89.8% White, 4.6% African American, .8% Native American, 0.8% Asian, 0.2% Pacific Islander, 2.0% from other races, and 1.8% from two or more races. 3.5% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

There were 6,245 households, out of which 25.6% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 49.6% were married couples living together, 12.6% had a female householder with no husband present, and 33.7% were non-families. 30.8% of all households were made up of individuals, and 14.3% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.31 and the average family size was 2.86.

In the city, the population was spread out, with 21.7% under the age of 18, 7.9% from 18 to 24, 23.8% from 25 to 44, 27.7% from 45 to 64, and 18.9% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 42.2 years. For every 100 females, there were 90.8 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 94.4 males.

The median income for a household in the city was $36,554, and the median income for a family was $48,803. Males had a median income of $35,909 versus $25,403 for females. The per capita income for the city was $21,065. About 14.6% of families and 16.8% of the population were below the poverty line, including 23.0% of those under age 18 and 14.6% of those age 65 or over.

2020 census
As of the 2020 United States census, there were 15,578 people, 5,995 households, and 3,865 families residing in the city.

Attractions
Scottsboro is home to the Unclaimed Baggage Center. This center sells articles of unclaimed and undeliverable airline luggage whose owners the airlines cannot locate. The Center ends up with such items as electronics, clothing, and any other item that might be found in lost airline luggage. The prices are low and the offerings eclectic enough to attract visitors from other states, and even from other parts of the world who make their way to Scottsboro to see what others have lost. The Unclaimed Baggage Center has been featured several times in the media, including in The Wall Street Journal, Vogue Magazine, The Los Angeles Times, Good Morning America, The Washington Post, The Dallas Morning News, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, The Baltimore Sun, The Seattle Times and the travel/adventure television series Globe Trekker.

Also, on the old Memphis and Charleston Railroad near the public square, the freight depot still stands. Built in 1861, it is considered the oldest standing structure in the original city limits. During the Civil War, Union raiders and Confederate soldiers fought in a skirmish, which ended up with bullet holes in the brick walls and wooden cargo doors. The structure was restored and reopened as a museum in June 2012.

First Monday has been a major draw for over one hundred years, perhaps since 1870. In the old Southern style, First Monday is a trade day (or craft show) in which people set up booths and sell homemade wares.

Payne's Soda Fountain, located on the Courthouse Square, has been in business since 1869. It has been in its current location on the northwest corner of the Square since 1891. The small, yet elegant, shop shows off a 1950s-themed design, offering the classic malt, and it even sports rare photographs of Scottsboro's past.

King Caldwell Park is situated near downtown Scottsboro, right next to the Library and across the street from the Police Department. It is largely wooded, with several nature trails running through it. It offers picnic tables, a pavilion with rest rooms and a playground. It is the home of Art Sunday, which is an arts and crafts festival that Scottsboro holds the Sunday before Labor Day each year. Many exhibitors and thousands of people attend this festival each year. The King Caldwell Park is named after Scottsboro native and philanthropist, David King Caldwell, who went by the name "King Caldwell". He moved to Tyler, Texas, where he became an oil tycoon and founded the Caldwell Zoo. He constantly gave generously to local causes in Scottsboro and paid for the higher education of many Scottsboro school children. He visited his namesake Caldwell School in Scottsboro and gave every child in the school a shiny new half-dollar, at a time when that was a lot of money for a child to receive.

Development
The attraction of Guntersville Lake has brought in numerous real estate developers. The Goose Pond area of Scottsboro has seen recent development of communities centered around a lake-living lifestyle.

Media

 * The Clarion (weekly community newspaper—15,500 subscribers across three counties)
 * Jackson County Sentinel (newspaper)

Health care

 * Highlands Medical Center, a 170-bed facility

Education
Scottsboro High School is the primary educational institution in Scottsboro, Alabama. Scottsboro High School was originally established as Jackson County High School in 1913. In 1957, the school's name was changed from Jackson County High School to Scottsboro High School. Brad Dudley currently serves as the school's principal.

Notable people

 * Lucille Benson, actress
 * Kenneth Carter, member of the Rhode Island House of Representatives
 * John Allen Chau, evangelical christian missionary
 * Bob Clemens, NFL player
 * Robert K. Dawson, U.S. Assistant Secretary of the Army (Civil Works) from 1985 to 1987
 * Babs Hodges Deal, novelist
 * Robert E. Jones, Jr., U.S. Representative from 1947 to 1977
 * Ken Kifer, bicyclist and writer. Lived near Scottsboro.
 * Mike Kirkland, member of the Alabama House of Representatives and resident of Scottsboro
 * Pat Trammell, former University of Alabama quarterback
 * Thomas E. Weatherly, Jr., poet
 * Debra Webb, romance novelist

title: Scottsboro, Alabama


text:
Section, Alabama

Section is a town in Jackson County, Alabama, United States and is included in the Chattanooga-Cleveland-Dalton, TN-GA-AL Combined Statistical Area. As of the 2010 census, the population of the town was 770, an increase of one person (769) from 2000. Section is located on top of Sand Mountain.

History
Section is located on land where the Cherokee once hunted and lived. The community was originally known as Mt. Zion when the first post office was established. There were communities such as Kirby's Creek, Gossets Hollow, and Fern Cliff. These communities came together to form the Town of Section. Pioneer settlers came in 1862 to Section, in large numbers. Settlers were required to live on the land for five years before claiming the property as their own. It became known later as "Section" because it was the location of a square-mile parcel of land, known as the 16th Section, required by the federal government to be set aside in support of public schools. Bort Harrison ran a 6-horsepower, water-powered flour and grist mill in 1886, and the first store in the community was built in 1889. The first school was built in the area before 1890, which was the year it burned. Its successor lasted 25 years before it also burned. Section was cited as having incorporated in 1910, however, on the 1950 U.S. Census rolls, it stated Section incorporated in 1946.

Geography
Section is located at 34.57806°N, -85.98806°W (34.578155, -85.988114). The town is situated along State Route 35, northwest of Rainsville and southeast of Scottsboro. It lies along the western edge of Sand Mountain, and several points in the town, including Weathington Park, offer dramatic views of the Tennessee River and valley to the west. State Route 71 intersects State Route 35 in Section, connecting the area with Dutton and the Pisgah area to the northeast.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the town has a total area of 4.6 sqmi, all land.

Demographics
As of the census of 2000, there were 769 people, 321 households, and 228 families residing in the township. The population density was 167.9 PD/sqmi. There were 352 housing units at an average density of 76.8 /sqmi. The racial makeup of the township was 93.89% White, 0.78% Black or African American, 2.34% Native American, 0.13% from other races, and 2.86% from two or more races. 0.52% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

There were 321 households, out of which 27.7% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 56.1% were married couples living together, 12.1% had a female householder with no husband present, and 28.7% were non-families. 25.9% of all households were made up of individuals, and 14.0% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.40 and the average family size was 2.88.

In the town, the population was spread out, with 21.2% under the age of 18, 8.5% from 18 to 24, 24.3% from 25 to 44, 30.9% from 45 to 64, and 15.1% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 42 years. For every 100 females, there were 84.9 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 82.5 males.

The median income for a household in the town was $31,500, and the median income for a family was $37,115. Males had a median income of $29,205 versus $20,781 for females. The per capita income for the township was $17,036. About 15.0% of families and 16.3% of the population were below the poverty line, including 25.5% of those under age 18 and 12.4% of those age 65 or over.

Section High School
Section High School is a kindergarten through twelfth grade school and is part of the Jackson County school system. Section became a high school in 1955. The first principal was Roy L. Buford.

title: Section, Alabama


text:
Skyline, Alabama

Skyline is a town in Jackson County, Alabama, United States. The town incorporated in 1985. As of the 2010 census, the population of the town was 851, up from 843 in 2000.

History
Skyline began in 1934 as a cooperative farming experiment known as "Cumberland Farms" under President Franklin Roosevelt's Federal Emergency Relief Administration. This was one of 43 such projects attempted nationally in depressed areas. It was soon renamed "Skyline Farms" to avoid confusion with another project in neighboring Tennessee. The experiment lasted for a decade before being sold off to private buyers in 1944.

The current town of Skyline is located about a mile north of the original farming colony.

Geography
Skyline is located at 34.80306°N, -86.12361°W (34.802946, -86.123494). The town is situated atop the Cumberland Plateau in western Jackson County. The plateau towns of Hytop and Pleasant Groves lie to the north and southwest, respectively. State Route 79 traverses Skyline, connecting the town with Scottsboro in the valley to the south and Tennessee to the north. State Route 146 intersects SR 79 just north of Skyline, and connects the area with the Paint Rock Valley to the west.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the town has a total area of 3.9 sqmi, all land.

2020 census
As of the 2020 United States census, there were 834 people, 367 households, and 258 families residing in the town.

2000 census
As of the census of 2000, there were 843 people, 323 households, and 251 families residing in the town. The population density was 217.9 PD/sqmi. There were 357 housing units at an average density of 92.3 /sqmi. The racial makeup of the town was 94.90% White, 2.73% Native American, 0.12% Asian, and 2.25% from two or more races. 0.71% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

There were 323 households, out of which 30.3% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 65.6% were married couples living together, 9.6% had a female householder with no husband present, and 22.0% were non-families. 19.8% of all households were made up of individuals, and 7.4% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.61 and the average family size was 2.98.

In the town, the population was spread out, with 23.7% under the age of 18, 11.2% from 18 to 24, 27.4% from 25 to 44, 25.7% from 45 to 64, and 12.0% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 38 years. For every 100 females, there were 98.4 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 93.7 males.

The median income for a household in the town was $29,250, and the median income for a family was $31,985. Males had a median income of $28,026 versus $20,341 for females. The per capita income for the town was $12,780. About 9.4% of families and 13.7% of the population were below the poverty line, including 12.1% of those under age 18 and 22.0% of those age 65 or over.

title: Skyline, Alabama


text:
Talk:Exile (1995 video game series)

Deletion
This article appears to be pure advertisement. Anyone think it's salvageable, or want to salvage it? Bryan 02:19 Oct 15, 2002 (UTC)
 * I'd vote to delete - it doesn't even qualify as an advertorial! Someone's just typed in the game jacket blurb and called it an 'article'. KJ
 * I disagree. It is linked with Spiderweb Software and their Acernum and the Avernum series. It also enjoys some (albeit moderate) popularity.Reply to David Latapie 16:59, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I also disagree. The game is very popular among Indie fringe game enthusiasts and deserves a small mention in Wikipedia.  It's no more an "advertisement" than any of the other game pages.  - Solberg 04:57, 12 June 2006 (UTC)Solberg
 * I'll third that disagreement. As an avid player of the Exile games, I feel they are shining examples of the adventure game genre - no next-gen graphics, no cumbersome interface - just point-and-click, creamy goodness that deserves some recognition. Xeon25 16:13, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe he's also won awards for the game in the past, which has it pass notability. Its also been mentioned in PC Gamer. Spiderweb software was part of a write up they did on shareware games that were still kicking a few months ago.--Crossmr 17:46, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I also disagree for the deletion of this article. This game is very popular, and there ae plenty of other articles on games on Wikipedia, so why not this one too? This game has won awards, and even if it isn't next-generation quality, who cares? It's one of the best games I've ever played. --Vampire pixie (talk) 03:20, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup
I've cleaned it up a bit, made it look nicer, added some screenshots. The descriptions probably need to be rewritten to be a bit less "advertisement" sounding, I'll get to that as soon as I can.--Crossmr 18:22, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Merge with Avernum article?
Having separate articles for an original work and its remake by the same author seems a bit unusual, especially with two articles that are so small. Aside from that, both the separation and content of the articles give too great an impression that Avernum differs greatly from Exile, and neither article clearly illustrates the evolution of the series even within the two aegises (no mention of the addition of graphics shared with Realmz 5.0 in Exile III and subsequent updates of the first two games, no mention of the switch from Nethergate to Genoforge-derived engines in later Avernum games).

While a merger is my top priority due to the superfluity of the two pages and a vote would probably be a good idea, I feel that the merger should go to this article rather than the Avernum one (with appropriate redirects), as Exile is the earlier title for the eponymous caverns. 67.180.206.34 (talk) 13:08, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that a merge is probably a good idea. I feel that Avernum should be the title since that is the current name of the series and it now has more entries than the original Exile.  The best bet would be to find independent sources (I.e. not Spiderweb software) and see which name is more common.  Eluchil404 (talk) 23:50, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd prefer not to merge them, as the Avernum series was a significant reworking of the Exile games, and also continued on after them with Avernum 4 and Avernum 5, not based on Exile games.

If a merge were to happen, however, I'm not sure where it would be best to go. Exile would for me be the obvious choice, as it was the original, and probably better known than the remakes - the Exile games were very popular for years in the early years of shareware. However, this raises the question of what would happen to material on Avernum 4 and Avernum 5. Rebecca (talk) 03:44, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I also disgree with the merger proposal; Avernum 4 & 5 are entirely new and do not relate to any previous Exile games. There is also the matter that Avernum 4 outsold all previous Spiderweb games, so moving its content to a subsection of the Exile page would be perverse. Argoreham (talk) 16:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't think merging the two would be a good idea. Even though Exile was the original version and Avernum is based on it, they do have their differences and Exile was not continued, unlike Avernum, as Avernum 4 & 5 were not based on an Exile 4 & 5 as it was discontnued. Vampire pixie (talk) 03:26, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Not to sound like a broken record, but I also believe the articles should remain separated, had the Avernum series not continued beyond the scope of the Exile series, I would support a merge, however, as others have stated, Avernum 4&5 are not remakes of any exile material, and do not deserve to be placed under the Exile series page.Shinyhunter (talk) 03:04, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

No, merging the articles is not a good idea in my opinion. I agree in the statements that Avernum 4 and 5 are different than Exile ones and that Avernum was a significant remake in many ways are enough to keep the articles separate. Not to mention that Avernum had very much different skill and magic systems than Exile. Nyme (talk) 17:21, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Any merge should come from the result of both articles receiving attention and it becoming clear that it's needed or not. I don't like the idea of a merge (particularly if Avernum is going to disappear from the article title), many players of Avernum will have had nothing to do with Exile. There's 5 Avernums at the minute, Vogel is working on the 6th and last right now, along with Geneforge 5, which will be the last in that series. Compare that with 3 Exiles. Perhaps the fact that Avernum's games are contained within a single article is adding weight to this idea of a merge. It's worth pointing out that Spiderweb games can accomodate an article each and achieve good article standard (see Geneforge), at some point the individual Avernum games are going to be popped out of the series article and expanded. Out of interest, how long do merge tags have to lie around? There's no consensus for this merge and the tag has been there for months. Someoneanother 05:50, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Exile shot.gif
Image:Exile shot.gif is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot (talk) 21:36, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Exile2 shot.gif
Image:Exile2 shot.gif is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot (talk) 21:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Exile3 shot7.gif
Image:Exile3 shot7.gif is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot (talk) 21:39, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Publication dates?
Anyone know the original publication dates for these games? SharkD  Talk  04:08, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I - ; ;
 * II - ; ;
 * III - ; ;
 * Blades - ; ;
 * Some of these contradict. — Hellknowz ▎talk 12:42, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Exile (1995 video game series). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110615162049/http://www.avault.com/reviews/pc/exile-3-pc-review/ to http://www.avault.com/reviews/pc/exile-3-pc-review/

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 05:35, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

title: Talk:Exile (1995 video game series)


text:
Stevenson, Alabama

Stevenson is a city in Jackson County, Alabama, United States, and is included in the Chattanooga-Cleveland-Dalton, TN-GA-AL Combined Statistical Area. Sources listed either 1866 or 1867 as the year of incorporation, but that seems to conflict with the dates given for the town being granted a charter. It did not first appear on the U.S. Census until 1880, where it was the second largest town in Jackson County behind Scottsboro. Since 1900, it has been the third largest town behind either Scottsboro and Bridgeport or vice versa. At the 2020 census, the population of the city was 1,955, down from 2,046 in 2010.

Geography
Stevenson is located at 34.86944°N, -85.83194°W (34.869442, -85.831829).

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the city has a total area of 5.2 sqmi, of which 4.9 sqmi is land and 0.3 sqmi (5.71%) is water.

2000 census
In the 2000 census, there were 1,770 people, 795 households, and 508 families living in the city. The population density was 357.8 PD/sqmi. There were 948 housing units at an average density of 191.6 /sqmi. The racial makeup of the city was 72.88% White, 22.37% Black or African American, 0.90% Native American, 0.11% Asian, 1.30% from other races, and 2.43% from two or more races. 1.53% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

There were 795 households, of which 24.4% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 45.4% were married couples living together, 14.3% had a female householder with no husband present, and 36.1% were non-families. 34.1% of all households were made up of individuals, and 15.2% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.23 and the average family size was 2.83.

21.3% of the population were under the age of 18, 8.0% from 18 to 24, 27.8% from 25 to 44, 26.4% from 45 to 64, and 16.6% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 40 years. For every 100 females, there were 89.1 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 85.2 males.

The median household income was $26,908 and the median family income was $34,125. Males had a median income of $27,188 compared with $21,375 for females. The per capita income for the city was $14,806. About 15.5% of families and 19.9% of the population were below the poverty line, including 26.7% of those under age 18 and 22.1% of those age 65 or over.

2010 census
In the 2010 census, there were 2,046 people, 904 households, and 554 families living in the city. The population density was 393.5 PD/sqmi. There were 1,041 housing units at an average density of 200.2 /sqmi. The racial makeup of the city was 73.8% White, 17.4% Black or African American, 1.1% Native American, 0.4% Asian, 2.6% from other races, and 4.3% from two or more races. 3.9% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

There were 904 households, of which 24.1% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 40.7% were married couples living together, 15.7% had a female householder with no husband present, and 38.7% were non-families. 35.2% of all households were made up of individuals, and 16.0% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.26 and the average family size was 2.90.

22.3% of the population were under the age of 18, 7.9% from 18 to 24, 24.1% from 25 to 44, 28.6% from 45 to 64, and 17.0% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 41.5 years. For every 100 females, there were 88.6 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 93.8 males.

The median household income was $241 and the median family income was $634. Males had a median income of $210 compared with $917 for females. The per capita income for the city was $14,647. About 26.6% of families and 31.8% of the population were below the poverty line, including 44.9% of those under age 18 and 25.3% of those age 65 or over.

2020 census
As of the 2020 United States census, there were 1,955 people, 729 households, and 461 families residing in the city.

Stevenson Depot
The Stevenson Railroad Depot Museum, located in downtown Stevenson, is dedicated to preserving an important part of railroading history through the display of related artifacts. In addition, the museum displays artifacts recalling Native American culture, pioneer life, and Civil War events.

The depot, which was built in 1872 and listed in the National Register of Historic Places, stands on the ruins of Stevenson's first railroad depot, which was built around 1852 for common use by the Nashville Chattanooga and the Memphis & Charleston Railroads. That original depot was destroyed either during, or shortly after, the Civil War. Bricks salvaged may have been used in the building of the present structure.

Fort Harker
Constructed by the Union Army in summer 1862 and expanded in 1864, using soldiers and slaves, Fort Harker was built on a broad hill a quarter-mile east of the town of Stevenson. It overlooked Crow Creek and was well within firing range of Stevenson’s strategic railroad lines, supply depots and warehouses. Ft. Harker was an earthen redoubt, 150 ft square, with walls that were 14 ft high, surrounded by an 8 ft dry moat. It contained 7 cannon platforms, a bomb-proof powder magazine, a draw-bridge entrance and an 8-sided wooden blockhouse at its center. Fort Harker was critical to Union plans. No major fighting occurred here, but skirmishes and sniper attacks were common as territory traded hands between Union and Confederate forces. One other large fort, two smaller redoubts and at least seven blockhouses were constructed along the railroad lines at Stevenson during the Civil War. Stevenson was the major junction for the Memphis and Charleston Railroad and the Nashville and Chattanooga Railroad. In addition to forts, the Union Army established a medical facility and a refugee camp at Stevenson. The remains of Gen. Rosecrans’ headquarters is on the National Register of Historic Places. Both may be seen near downtown Stevenson today.

Depot Days
Every June, the town of Stevenson holds the annual Depot Days celebration. This celebration includes many different aspects of the southern town's culture and celebrates the great things that Stevenson represents. The week-long celebration is concluded with a parade, a day full of activities, and a street dance in the middle of Downtown Stevenson.

North Jackson High School
Stevenson is the location of the North Jackson High School. In 1993, the school won the Alabama 4A State Title in football. They reached the finals again in 2002, when they were defeated by UMS-Wright 7-3.

Notable people

 * Hank Allison, former NFL player
 * Jacob Lyda, country music singer
 * Carl McNabb, former professional baseball player
 * Mack Stewart, former professional baseball player
 * Byron Wimberly, former professional football player

title: Stevenson, Alabama