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Talk:Manassas, Virginia

Comments
Wondering how to edit this U.S. City Entry? The WikiProject Cities standards might help.

 * Since I've been placing a few civil war notes on this site, I've been pondering how to link "Union". It's been going to a disamb page which says the Northern States in the American Civil War or some such.  I don't think linking to United States of America is satisfactory, either.  Confederate redirects to Confederate States of America, if I recall.  This is not the only place that I've linked to "Union".  I need to think of something....

how about Union(Civil War), which specifies the time and circumstances, instead of the whole USA and every subtopic it presents.

Sounds workable to me. -- Zoe

I've done this - except I made it Union (American Civil War), which is yet more precise. I'm correcting all the union links as well (I also corrected yours above.) Derrick Coetzee 23:56, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)

City Manager?
In updating the infobox, I put down the city manager (right now, from everything I've seen, acting city manager at the moment) instead of a mayor under "leader_title" and "leader_name". Everything I remember from seventh-grade civics class at Metz (albeit eight years ago) is that the CM holds all the real power, and the mayor just runs the city council and is a bit of a figurehead, not unlike the "constitutional monarch" system of govt. Do y'all think we should leave it as CM or change it to mayor? MessengerAtLWU (talk | contribs) 01:05, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't know who told you that Larry Hughes resigned; he hasn't. Stop changing it back when I correct it, please.

Rail Transportation
I replaced the overly detailed info about two Amtrak trains with a more generalized description (that can be greatly expanded) on all of the rail services for Manassas, plus a bit of history. I do not believe that the detailed schedule information belongs in a Wikipedia article at all, btw. Mmoyer 17:21, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Liberty wall ?
I'm quite surprised that this page doesn't contain any word about the "Liberty wall", even if it is well known worldwide, maybe a little line could be interesting. (sorry for my poor english, I'm European,. Klem 193.49.48.244 (talk) 15:56, 28 February 2008 (UTC))

 * Are you talking about that large board with a long message about Mexican immigration? I agree, this should be included in the article. (You actually have good english.) 69.255.170.118 (talk) 01:30, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Rabid White Supremacists Shooting Mexicans?
There is a statement in the article that "Rabid white supremacist groups are expressing concern about the number of undocumented workers and have recently started to shoot Mexicans." I live in Manassas, and I'm pretty sure that this would have made the local, if not national news. Not only is the statement about "shooting Mexicans" not accurate, but I could not find any news articles to support this statement. 69.243.5.247 (talk) 13:18, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

References?
Also, someone has removed the References section from this page. 69.243.5.247 (talk) 13:23, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

County seat of Prince William County
I reverted a change by user Gurduloo today. He states that the Manassas is not the county seat of Price William, and quotes the Prince William website (in general; he gave no reference/citation).

It is true that the county government offices are in a campus called County Complex off of the Prince William Parkway near Woodbridge. However, I have found nothing that states that the county seat is Woodbridge. The county courthouse complex is housed in Manassas.

Historical documents on the 'net state that the old county seat was in what was then the Town of Brentsville, and in 1890 moved to Manassas. There is nothing stating that it is somewhere else.

If you do indeed have a reference to back up this claim, I invite you to bring back Gurduloo's change, and change the Prince William page, including a reference, and the page for the place that holds the county seat-dom. --Tim Sabin (talk) 23:55, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

The county courthouse complex is located in an enclave of Prince William county within Manassas city limits. It's like a donut hole, where the donut is Manassas City. The Independent City of Manassas is, however, still the county seat according to the National Associate of Counties (http://www.naco.org/Counties/Pages/FindACounty.aspx). Thomstevenson085 (talk) 03:20, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Schools in Manassas
The list references the City of Manassas Public Schools website. Yet three schools on the list - Stonewall Middle, Stonewall High, and Osbourn Park, are not within the city of Manassas, and are not part of Manassas Public Schools.

I will remove them. However, if everyone thinks schools that have a Manassas address but are outside of the City of Manassas proper and are not part of the Manassas City School System, then those schools should be added back, along with Parkside Middle School. --Goosedoggy (talk) 20:09, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Nicknames for Manassas
"Little Mexico"? Isn't this too derogatory and POV for Wikipedia? If I don't hear otherwise, I'm going to revert this edit. --Tim Sabin (talk) 15:31, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

References please
I entered a couple of days ago a request for sources to support a paragraph that sheds a bad light onto the Manassas police and its practices. I hope that who entered that paragraph will find something. I will wait for a week before I remove the paragraph completely. Divide et Impera (talk) 18:38, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Notable People
Brandon Hogan is a notable person in the community due to his success in collegiate football at West Virginia University and progressing on to the Carolina Panthers NFL team Jnet teller (talk) 19:40, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Mike Porterfield
Who is he?

I live in the Manassas area, and have never heard of him. An IP user added this, and reversed my reversal. If anyone knows of a reason why he should be put in the list of "Notable residents", please let me know. Otherwise, I'll reverse this entry - again. --Tim Sabin (talk) 01:09, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

1911 Peace Jubilee
Under the History heading, I'd like to add a sentence or two mentioning the 1911 Peace Jubilee held in Manassas. It was a fairly big deal, as it was the first time in modern history that combatants from opposing sides of a battle returned to the scene (in this case, 50 years later to the day), met on the battlefield and shook hands. 1,000 veterans from the Union and the Confederacy met there, as well as some 10,000 spectators. The festivities were attended by President Taft, who gave a speech regarding the need for world peace (whouda thought?), and the activities that took place during the Jubilee (July 16 - 21, 1911) were used as a model for the 50th anniversary commemorations at Gettysburg. I'm in the midst of composing my thesis which is based around the Jubilee, so I can provide plenty of primary and secondary sources - just want to get the go-ahead from other contributors.

Thomstevenson085 (talk) 03:12, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Go for it!Fasttimes68 (talk) 15:51, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Mike O'Meara
Let's discuss the rationale for removing him from the notable list. Please do NOT remove his entry per  WP:BRD until consensus has been reached.Fasttimes68 (talk) 13:05, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Remove My rationale is simple. He is no longer a radio personality, therefore keeping this note on the Manassas page is a lie and is not worthy of Wikipedia. He is not a historical figure, therefore his entry should be deleted. --Tim Sabin (talk) 14:24, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Keep The guidelines for being listed as a notable resident include the subject being notable enough to have an article entry, which O'Meara does. The fact that he is not "on the air" at the moment is irrelevant. The fact that he was a notable radio personality for a significant amount of time IS relevant. Many notable residents are deceased in this and other location articles. Does their death justify removing them?Fasttimes68 (talk) 14:31, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No. However, a person must have made a significant mark during his/her lifetime to be "notable". As far as O'Meara having his own article, the question now becomes: should he any longer?
 * I have been a computer programmer for over 30 years. Does that make me an expert? Or notable? Should I have my own article on Wikipedia? The answer to all these questions is absolutely not. --Tim Sabin (talk) 14:43, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I sumbit that O'Meara is notable per WP:NOTE.  If you agree with my interpretation then it would follow that you should agree he is notable enough to stay in this article as a resident.  However if you don't agree (that he is notable), then I propose that you nominate the O'Meara article for deletion.  If it gets deleted then per guidelines he can be safely removed from the notable residents list in this article.  Does that work for you?Fasttimes68 (talk) 14:51, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

People are included in lists for what they are notable FOR. Not for what they used to be. Let's see if there are any style guidelines.Fasttimes68 (talk) 04:01, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I asked help desk about this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk#List_notability_and_styles. I agree with the assessment that O'Meara could at any time go back on radio, and that he is also a media personality, though he is notable for being on the radio. I'm not so sure about podcasting.Fasttimes68 (talk) 13:31, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * When and if he goes back, I'll be his greatest cheerleader, and I will - personally - immediately remove the word "former". Until then, however, "former" describes his current status. --Tim Sabin (talk) 14:17, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sometimes one on one conversations with editors who have opposite opinions can be difficult, so let me weigh in with my two cents. Having looked at the this article and the O'Meara article it is my opinion that a)O'Meara is notable b)he deserves to be listed as a notable member of this town c)the word 'former' is not appropriate. Wikipedia is not a newspaper (see WP:NOTNEWS) So we don't keep changing a person's status based on what show he left or what new show he may take in the future. He has a career: radio personality. To me, adding the word "former" is, in this case, a form of editorializing.-- — Keithbob •  Talk  • 14:32, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Correction: his career is not "radio personality" but rather "talk show host". He is currently a podcaster. He used to be a radio show host. This is not news, it is fact. His article (Mike O'Meara) says so. --Tim Sabin (talk) 14:47, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Please see Radio Personality. O'Meara's career certainly falls within that category.  Perhaps you would feel more comfortable if we asked for an RfC on this issue to get others to clarify?
 * Radio Personality is a redirect to Presenter. It says nothing about podcaster. I submit that Mike O'Meara has (at least temporarily) given up his current status as a Radio Personality (not his notability) with his now being solely a Podcaster.
 * Do an RfC all you want. --Tim Sabin (talk) 16:00, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

NOTE: Your stated intention to engage in tenacious editing is troubling. Just because you are upset with notability being forever is no reason for you to make a WP:POINT. Understanding what Wikipedia is WP:NOT is equally important to editing with WP:CON. Fasttimes68 (talk) 15:21, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * BTW - although I dislike the fact that Wikipedia treats notability as being forever, I have previously stated that I will abide by this policy. I am not questioning this policy. I am not deleting Mike O'Meara's entry. This discussion is rather about whether he is a (current) "radio personality" or a "former radio personality". We're on opposite sides of this debate, that's all. --Tim Sabin (talk) 16:19, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I was referring to your intention to ignore BRD with respect to the "former" issue. This article had a state of consensus until you made the edit, which i reverted.  At that point discussion should take place.  Not revert and discuss.  As you have correctly poitnted out that BRD is not compulsasory. However it is a good guidleine for preventing edit wars.Fasttimes68 (talk) 16:44, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

 * If he was notable before he is always notable. Notability is not temporary fame but enduring. The answer to the problem is simple. If current sources call him a radio personality then use that wording, if current sources call him a former radio personality then use that instead. IRWolfie- (talk) 17:26, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. I added a RSFasttimes68 (talk) 02:15, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, that does state that he is a current radio personality. But the reference is from August 18, 2011. The radio show ended September 19, 2011 (see Mike O'Meara). The reference is from before the show ended, so therefore it proves nothing. --Tim Sabin (talk) 03:23, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I added an RS that is AFTER Sept 19, 2011. I'm starting to feel that you are not showing Good Faith.  Please prove me wrong.Fasttimes68 (talk) 04:02, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

The RS reports this. Find another RS to counter this if you can. If you continue to revert using your current reasoning I'm afraid we are at an impasse.Fasttimes68 (talk) 03:42, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Mike O'Meara RfC
Creating section for RfCFasttimes68 (talk) 16:30, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think an RfC is necessary. Re-state the current contention and then seek a third opinion as per WP:3. IRWolfie- (talk) 17:24, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Technically we already have a 3rd opinion (and 4th, yours) as someone else came in and looked at this (unsolicted on my part, though he recenetly posted on my talk page about another issue so I suspect that is how he came here). I suppose I could go ahead and make the change right now, but I would prefer a wider net to be cast.  Unless you have a other objections I would prefer to leave this in RfC to address the larger style issue. Fasttimes68 (talk) 18:05, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I would like to point out this is not a futile exercise. The style guidline could be updated as a result of this discussion.Fasttimes68 (talk) 18:09, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw the post on your talk page and came over to have a look. I think the real issue here is a single editor editing against the consensus of three other editors. Wikipedia is not a vote, but if the issue is discussed and the result of the discussion is that most of the editors agree on a course of action that is consensus. I would suggest WP:DRN at this point.-- — Keithbob • Talk  • 20:54, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Per IRWolife's suggestion, I added a RS that backs up the "radio personality" claim. Apparently this wasn't acceptable because the date was after the subjects last radio gig ended. I could have pointed out that this is still against consensus, however I found two more RS items after the said date. If a revert occurs again I will open a DRN.Fasttimes68 (talk) 22:00, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Jenks24 (talk) 13:20, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Manassas, Virginia → Manassas – Manassas, Virginia is the primary topic, as Manassas redirects there. There is no need to have the Virginia on the end. David 1217 23:21, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose Articles about US cities usually have a {, State} format. Fasttimes68 (talk) 01:10, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * What about cities like Seattle, Chicago, Minneapolis, and Los Angeles? David 1217 12:37, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

 * Support. Manassas is the primary topic. If other articles about US cities also have a "City, State" structure then perhaps some of those need to be fixed too; although I recognise that, for many of them, the american-english habit of "City, State" will be widespread among sources. Wikipedia's internal norms should not overrule real-world usage. bobrayner (talk) 12:28, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Reluctant oppose Commonsense arguments like WP:PRIMARYTOPIC are overridden by the tyranny of WP:USPLACE, which only allows a limited set of US cities to go without a state qualifier—and yes, David, all of your examples are included. I truly want to make this move, but not if it's going to make a rogue article in the process. WP:USPLACE and the AP standard are contentious, but I don't think they'll hold forever. North of the border, they handle the issue with common sense: see WP:CANSTYLE. If anyone wants to carry out a full assault on WP:USPLACE, I'll take to the front lines with you, but in the meantime, I think we need to observe the (misguided) standard. --BDD (talk) 15:52, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ugh. I was unaware of that remote portion of naming conventions. Whatever the MOS says, I guess. David 1217 00:43, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

 * Oppose I see where David1217 is coming from. It makes perfect sense. There is only one Manassas in the United States and there seems to be very little reason to disambiguate the town. And if this was a conversation off Wikipedia I would be in support of this. But since this is Wikipedia I have to oppose on MOS guidelines. WP:PLACE says that the typical style is "Placename, State". The exceptions are given in the case of cities identified in the AP Stylebook as not needing them. Manassas isn't one of the AP Stylebook exceptions.-- JOJ Hutton  02:18, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * There is also Manassas, GA. Fasttimes68 (talk) 04:14, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * But as it's a town of 100, WP:PRIMARYTOPIC would indeed apply for this article if we could overthrow WP:USPLACE. --BDD (talk) 16:24, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

 * Oppose, as per WP:USPLACE. Zarcadia (talk) 10:04, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The standard is CityName, StateName. Let's not start confusing the issue. --Tim Sabin (talk) 11:58, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Demographics
There is demographic information in this article from 2000, 2005, and 2010. Do we really need all of them? --Tim Sabin (talk) 17:48, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Seems redundant to me. Though if you read it in sequential order I'm not sure what years some of the "stats" refer to.  For the graph that starts with The median income for a household in the city was $60,409..., is that referring to the 2005 information?  Very hard to tell.  I'd be in favor of deleting the lot and just keep in the 2010 information, and possibly the blurb about the 2007 Hispanic increase.  Do the representatives belong in this section?  I've no idea if there is a MoS for this.   Help desk might know, but I wouldn't object to you being bold and taking a swipe first.  IAR and all that.  Fasttimes68 (talk) 17:55, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

History
Any info about the dates of establishment? All I found starts with Civil War... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dako59 (talk • contribs) 23:19, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
 * History before Civil War? Toponimy?--Manfariel (talk) 22:14, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

I agree. I have some genealogical "information" that claims one of my ancestors immigrated to Manassas in 1699. Considering the original name of the town was "Manassas Junction," I'm willing to bet it wasn't founded until after the invention of the locomotive. GnatFriend (talk) 14:18, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Okay, I decided to stop being a lazy sod, and I googled it. Apparently the railroad junction in the area was completed in 1852. The town was legally incorporated on April 2, 1873. GnatFriend (talk) 14:27, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Large map
An editor has added a 400px wide map to this article showing many of the neighboring counties, some over 50 miles from this city. Similar maps have been added by this editor to a number of city and county articles. There is already a map in the infobox which seems very adequate. Also, WP:USCITIES suggests that a map be used to illustrate the "geographic space" of a settlement; it does not suggest that a map showing 20+ surrounding counties be included. MOS:PERTINENCE states that "images must be significant and relevant in the topic's context, not primarily decorative". It's not clear how the readers of this article about a city would find a map of all the surrounding counties relevant. The input of others would be appreciated. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:30, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * You can easily change the size of the map: | width = whatever. Abel (talk) 16:39, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The current Adjacent counties and independent cities section is an example of riveting text: "Prince William County, Virginia – northwest, west, south, east, Manassas Park, Virginia – northeast." Seeing how those counties relate to each other by location, size, and space on a map could not possibly help anyone in any way. Abel (talk) 16:44, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * If the map you added "could not possibly help anyone in any way", why did you add it? Magnolia677 (talk) 17:05, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Irony. Abel (talk) 17:28, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

RfC about the large map of surrounding counties
Should the large map of surrounding counties be added to this (and several other) articles? Magnolia677 (talk) 15:05, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

The current Adjacent counties and independent cities section text explains little: "Prince William County, Virginia – northwest, west, south, east, Manassas Park, Virginia – northeast." Seeing how those counties relate to each other by location, size, and space on a map could help article readers. The size of the map can easily be changed at any time with | width = whatever. Abel (talk) 16:38, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose as long as we're talking about . This is a 41x42 pixel map, and I can't think of any reason why it should be blown up to a width of 400 pixels.  Am I missing something here, is it not unreadable to others?  Besides, I wouldn't recommend any map be wider than 250 or maybe 300 pixels, assuming it is legible in the first place. --NoGhost (talk) 20:16, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * "The size of the map can easily be changed at any time with | width = whatever." Abel (talk) 20:20, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * My concern is whether this map should have been added in the first place. I doubt the readers of Wikipedia went the article about Manassas to see a map of 25 surrounding counties.  Magnolia677 (talk) 21:09, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The commonwealth has 95 counties. How many people have them and their locations memorized? Abel (talk) 22:51, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * True, but that doesn't change the fact that the image is 41 x 42 pixels and loses all definition when re-sized. I checked on a couple of my devices and it wasn't legible.  As for 's concerns, I don't actually have an opinion on this at the moment, but I will look into it more. --NoGhost (talk) 21:51, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Because "Prince William County, Virginia – northwest, west, south, east, Manassas Park, Virginia – northeast" is somehow better? Darn sure is not more informative. Abel (talk) 22:45, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've looked into it a bit more, and regarding the usefulness of a map, I have to agree with that a more detailed location map does provide better context (especially for visual learners, and people like me unfamiliar with the region at amazed and the number of tiny counties).  However, consensus on settlements at WP:USCITIES should be considered.  Regarding the map file and map size I don't believe Abel's statement that "The size of the map can easily be changed at any time with | width = whatever" is correct.  I attempted to change to the file width to 300px and the map labels become too compressed.  Abel, my recommendation is to 1) find or create a larger file size so that you don't need to stretch out a small file, and 2) figure out how to position all the map labels on a map no larger than 300px (I would rather not play around with this myself, being unfamiliar with the area).  I think you would have to agree that a 400px map is far too large and overbearing.  Lastly,  you might want to crosspost this RfC on the Washington, D.C. talkpage and on WP:WPDC?  Thanks! --NoGhost (talk) 23:19, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The labels are also easy to change | label_size=whatever. So if the map was 300px you are fine with it? If so, not a problem. Abel (talk) 23:23, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I would suggest that the underlying bitmap needs to be converted to svg otherwise scaling will not be good. In addition the labels should be in the svg file.  I'll take a quick look and see if I can get a proof-of-concept version created. --Erp (talk) 14:35, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Until there is better version of the map file, please do. However, please remember that the locus of Magnolia677's RfC was whether these maps should be included or not.  More editors will need to comment before consensus can be reached. --NoGhost (talk) 23:29, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes. In addition, it seems logical to me that if one editor prefers a 300px map then other editors might also prefer a 300px map and I can make that happen. Abel (talk) 23:32, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Is now 300px. Is that good or is the map itself the problem? Because another map can be uploaded to replace this one if that is the issue. Abel (talk) 23:38, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I think you've resolved 1 issue, the map is no longer overbearing on the page. The issue of map quality still remains, and an additional issue of map label size now exists (placenames probably not be legible on some browsers). You might want to play with it still, or you might want to just want until the RfC has been resolved, it's up to you. --NoGhost (talk) 23:46, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Uploaded a new map from OpenStreetMap. This version uses their standard layer. They offer four different layers. Also, OpenStreetMap is only one of many options. Is this version more to your liking? If not, there are plenty more options to try. Abel (talk) 16:02, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for opening this RfC. The idea of a regional map is good. The implementation, so far, is not - and that looks to me to present some challenges. The base map needs to be of high quality (not a small map blown up by factor of 100), the jurisdictions need to be legibly and attractively labelled, and the whole thing when it's done needs to be of a size it doesn't overwhelm the page. The map in its current form isn't, IMHO, quite ready for inclusion. Are there examples from other articles that can serve as templates? JohnInDC (talk) 10:53, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, I think too that the map should be revised according to the article it is illustrating. If it's in an article on Manassas, then it should center on Manassas, not (approximately) Fairfax.  It may also be helpful in choosing areas to label to consider their regional importance, rather than only their proximity to the subject.  I don't know that Baltimore even belongs in a map on Manassas, but if it does, it seems like it should be labelled.  JohnInDC (talk) 11:01, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

 * For the metropolitan Washington, DC area I've added two maps to Wikimedia Commons (these are very much draft) which should be easier to read and edit. Thoughts? I consider the main reason to have a location map other than the one showing location in state is the nearness to the state border and that the main big city is not in the state. --Erp (talk) 16:57, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * If this new image has the same coordinates as the current image, and it looks like it matches perfectly, we can just upload the this new image as a new version of the current image and all the location module business will still work perfectly without having to change anything more than the summary.Abel (talk) 17:24, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The projection may be slightly different. It looks like another map has been slipped in but a key problem is that (from my view) the labels are overlapping each other.  My guess is you want to label each of the counties in the metropolitan area (1 West Virginia, 5 Maryland, 8 Virginia) plus DC plus the independent cities in Virginia (6 in the metropolitan area), plus possibly the counties and cities on the map that aren't in the metropolitan area (2 in West Virginia, 9 in Maryland, 13 in Virginia).  I might suggest using a legend (mark the counties with numbers and the cities with letters).--Erp (talk) 22:55, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes I uploaded a new version of the same map using OpenStreetMap because 1. OpenStreetMap is quick, 2. very easy to have the exact same coordinates, 3. OpenStreetMap has its very own Wikipedia compatible licence. That is only one option available from OpenStreetMap. Since we have not yet decided what is the best option I figured might as well start with the easiest, just to show how quick this can be fixed. I like the image you created. It looks just like the original, but of a higher quality. Just go to the current image and upload you image as a new version. Edit the summary to overwrite OpenStreetMap with your work and problem solved. If the coordinates are slightly different, not a problem just let me know the new top, bottom, left, and right map borders in decimal notation and I can replace what is in the module, or you can if you are comfortable editing those. The easiest way that I know of to get those coordinates is to find a spot on your map in Google Maps because the Google Maps url will automatically show the coordinates in decimal notation for that spot. Abel (talk) 00:27, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * All look at Falls Church, VA and how it handles maps. --Erp (talk) 23:43, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * One nice feature of location maps is that with linked text like this, the city or county in question is automatically displayed in bold. So the exact same code can be used within the Fairfax (the city) article and also within the Fairfax County article and each will have the right bold without anyone doing anything. Also blank location maps can be used for all kind of things from showing one specific location like a single high school to showing multiple campuses of a university. All that matters is that the geographic coordinates of the map exactly match the coordinates in the module for all the dots to magically appear in the correct locations (if needed we can change what is in the module, not a big deal). Abel (talk) 00:04, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * But that doesn't help matters if one can't read the labels in the first place. Either the map is so large that it overwhelms the article or it can't be read.  Now making the map large for the Washington metropolitan area article might be justified but not so much for all the articles about the component parts (a large map for them should be of the town/county itself marked with significant points within).  --Erp (talk) 00:31, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Good point. Another advantage of location maps can address that issue. The Washington metropolitan area article can include a larger map (thanks to svg scaling) with every city and county labeled, while city and county articles can use the same map, but smaller, with less stuff labeled. Abel (talk) 00:49, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * A note about how Virginia is odd, not good or bad just different that most other places. In most states cities are a part of counties. Not true in Virginia. In Virginia cities are legally completely separate. Citizens pay taxes to a city or a county, not both. Map wise this means that the Washington Metropolitan Area (as defined by 47900 DC-VA-MD-WV Metropolitan Statistical Area because there are like seven different definitions of DC area) must include tiny cities right next to counties without everything overwriting each other, no small task. Abel (talk) 00:04, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The colors seem to make the text a bit hard to read. Clearly your svg skills are far superior to mine, would you consider posting another version with different colors?
 * Comment - I'm still concerned about this map, and there doesn't seem to be any clear consensus about where or if it should be used. User talk:JohnInDC suggested the map be centered according to the location it is being used.  This has not happened, and at Warren County, Virginia it adds little to the article, overwhelming the article with it's size, and showing only locations east of that county.  At Falls Church, Virginia, the text is illegible.  As well, the text does not distinguish between links to cities and links to counties.  I started this RfC with the question "should the large map of surrounding counties be added to this (and several other) articles?"  At this point I can only see this map being of benefit to Washington metropolitan area.  However, at that article it has been added to the infobox, where it has created an infobox so large it takes up half the width of the article.  I propose that this map be removed until it can be improved.  Magnolia677 (talk) 21:29, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I do not know what your settings are, but I can read that “illegible” text perfectly. Is the text easier to read when the image is larger? Of course. However, people complained that 400px is too large and 300px is better, so 300px it is. There are lots of random demands made above, yet so far as I can tell, only two people have done any work to change anything. So saying things like “every city and county needs its own custom map” is all well and good, if other people have the time and inclination to do all that for you. That of course completely defeats the purpose of location maps, some of which are used in hundreds of different articles, but if someone wants to make dozens of custom maps certainly no one will stop them. Abel (talk) 23:00, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * This may be a matter of browser and browser settings (especially default font size). I'm using Firefox on a Mac with a large default font.  The map in this article has overlapping labels and so is not readily readable.  An all in one SVG map has the advantage that one can click through and blow the map up, but, that doesn't work with this type of map since the labels are overlays on the image (clicking through only shows the basic image).   --Erp (talk) 05:56, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * You write: "There are lots of random demands made above, yet so far as I can tell, only two people have done any work to change anything." It's your map, why should you expect other editors to fix it?  The text is too small and can only be read by overwhelming articles with its size; you've added it to places on the fringe of the map; and on the one article where it does belong, Washington metropolitan area, you've created an enormous and awkward infobox.  Just because you have spent time experimenting with map creation does not mean you can add your creation to every article you feel it belongs.  Again, I propose that this map be removed until it meets the level of quality suggested in this discussion.  Magnolia677 (talk) 11:02, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The map is not too small. I can read it fine and so can Erp. Your computer settings and eyesight do not allow you to see it just fine, that is not something I can solve. I can add a bigger version for people who share similar settings + eyesight problems, which I did to accommodate your demands. The current map meets every level of quality in the discussion:
 * “I have to agree with @Id4abel: that a more detailed location map does provide better context (especially for visual learners, and people like me unfamiliar with the region at amazed and the number of tiny counties).”
 * “1) find or create a larger file size so that you don't need to stretch out a small file” Erp did exactly that.
 * “2) figure out how to position all the map labels” I repositioned the map labels for both a smaller version (the one that your settings and eyesight have problems with) and a larger version.
 * There is nothing in this discussion that has not been addressed, however, I am sure you will find a new complaint somewhere. Abel (talk) 14:35, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually I can't read your map around the Manassas, DC area. --Erp (talk) 05:30, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose I don't have a problem with the graphic itself and I think that it is useful. My concern, looking at the article, is that we already have plenty of graphics while the prose remains sparse by comparison. Encyclopedia entries are carried by prose and enhanced with graphics. Adding this graphic would damage the already disproportional balance. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 04:44, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * If balance is an issue why not add to the text? Abel (talk) 18:15, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

 * Comment - A discussion about the appropriateness of this map is also taking place at Talk:Warren County, Virginia. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:50, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment I know I am chiming in after the dust may have settled, but I wanted to throw out one other option that I don't believe has been discussed yet. Given we seem to be going back and forth regarding size and legibility (given we want the map in the first place), is there any interest in redesigning a smaller-type map (circa 250-300 pixels) that has labels for the surrounding counties and for Manassas as follows? It'sAllinthePhrasing (talk) 02:45, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Already done and in article (Manassas.svg). Abel (talk) 03:29, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * No it is not. Your map is 380px.  Magnolia677 (talk) 09:57, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * "The size of the map can easily be changed at any time with | width = whatever." Which I just did.Abel (talk) 17:57, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Why is "Fairfax" identified as "Fairfax County", but Prince William County and Loudoun County just say "Prince William" and "Loudoun"? Thank you.  Magnolia677 (talk) 20:17, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Fairfax is a city, Fairfax County is a county. There is no city named Prince William or Loudoun. Abel (talk) 21:12, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * This sort of confusion is likely not helpful to the readers of Wikipedia. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:18, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I did not give a city and a county that border each other the same name. Abel (talk) 21:56, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: Now I understand I'm really late to this, but there's still issues with text overlap, I really think the whole map thing should be scrapped with a map of the county, with the image coordinates being linked. I realize this is extremely hard to do, but it may solve clarity issues in the long run. — JJ Be  rs  16:34, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Please take and post a screen shot of the overlapping text. On my screen the text is no where near each other. Abel (talk) 20:54, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Presidential Election Results.
I don't have the resources to compile the data myself but to whoever has put data out there for the rest of the counties of Virginia, if you could post the results of Manassas, VA that would be totally awesome. Thanks!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by JustinSFCA (talk • contribs) 13:38, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Neighborhoods
The recently added section on neighborhoods has some problems: Jbholes (talk) 02:14, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The description of Georgetown South portrays the neighborhood in a negative way that is inconsistent even with the 6+ year old Washington Post article that it cites, even while also borrowing text liberally and directly from that article
 * While I’m sure the residents of Oakenshaw might be pleased to see their neighborhood appear here, there doesn’t appear to be any notable information offered about the neighborhood to distinguish it from other Manassas subdivision built during the 1980s/90s, or to justify its inclusion. If it deserves mention at all, it might make more sense to mention it as part of a larger discussion about the city’s development in the late 20th century.
 * The section on Old Town has some interesting historical information that might be worth preserving somehow, but some of the information, particularly the discussion of later development, has no citation, is factually incorrect, and does not seem to be written from a neutral point of view.
 * As far as I know, the area bounded by Grant, Sudley, and Portner has never been known as Old Town Triangle, and no citation is given for this. That area (which I believe is actually called Northwest) is part of the Manassas historic district, which most simply call “Old Town Manassas”. Old Town is not generally thought to be limited to downtown, despite what the cited tourism website says
 * Citations to Google Maps and Zillow are not helpful, and the inclusion of current home values in specific neighborhoods doesn’t seem at home in this article.
 * In general, the idea of a section on neighborhoods in Manassas seems like a good one, but the current iteration needs a lot more information from a larger collection of quality sources to justify its inclusion.

Pronunciation
Is it pronounced like "molasses" or "Arkansas"? Any ideas on a source to add the IPA to the lead (I couldn't find anything)? —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 06:55, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * This video shows the Manassas Police Chief pronouncing it like "molasses". Dictionary.com has an entry as well; I added the IPA to the lead and cited it. —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 19:58, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Etymology?
Where does the word "Manassas" come fruit m? Aboudaqn (talk) 22:05, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Fredericksburg, Virginia

How to Edit
Wondering how to edit this U.S. City Entry? The WikiProject Cities standards might help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ram-Man (talk • contribs) 23:36, 14 October 2002 (UTC)

Schools
This information came from a sub-stub that is now redireced here:
 * Battlefeild Middle School is a middle school in Fredericksburg, Virginia. The principal is Patty Smith. The Vice principal is Mr. Carlson. http://www.spotsylvania.k12.va.us/bms/

Any thoughts on how to sensibly incorporate it? brenneman (t) (c) 06:55, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you for catching this one Aaron, the stub was horribly inaccurate. i.e. misspelled school name and title, incorrect principal name, et cetera.  Your redirect has been reverted and the article has been significantly expanded with additional information which may be of interest to a potential reader.  Silensor 07:14, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing this out Aaron, I missed it first time round. David D. (Talk) 05:36, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Notable People
I think that more notable people should be included, like George Coghill, a two-time Super Bowl Champion, and George and Martha Washington. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.174.39.183 (talk) 15:29, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I also think that it should be noted that Thomas Jefferson wrote the VA statute for religious freedom in Fredericksburg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Statute_for_Religious_Freedom —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.76.16.189 (talk) 20:17, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Sister City
It was in the local paper here last week and the city was spelled Princes Town. It might have been a flub by the paper.

Rutke421 21:11, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Articles for Fredericksburg media?
Are any Fredericksburg editors interested in creating articles for The Free Lance–Star and/or Fredericksburg radio stations? Lots of smaller newspapers and radio stations have their own articles. I'd start them myself, but I've got connections to the newspaper and it would be a conflict of interest — but I'd still like to see pages created. Anyone interested? —69.0.55.178 06:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It looks like this has largely been done. Is there still a need?  I live near Fredericksburg in Spotsylvania County and would be glad to work on it. CsikosLo (talk) 18:32, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Northern Virginia?
Whether or not Fredericksburg and Spotsy county is a part of Northern Virginia is something that can be debated endlessly. The governor (Mr Kaine) said it was late last year and was taken to task by the local press, but now The Free Lance–Star ran an article on Sunday asking local prominent folks the same question. There is no conclusion. I will change the article to reflect that better than it does now. CsikosLo (talk) 18:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes! Fredericksburg is NOT a part of Northern Virginia, and the people who live here (like me) certainly don't think so either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.254.95.183 (talk) 01:34, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Note to whoever has been changing it: pls discuss before doing so. Changing the comment and deleting my references doesn't change the location of the city. 138.162.128.54 (talk) 16:48, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

I have changed the line that it is becoming part of NOVA from "This has led to Fredericksburg becoming more culturally synonymous with the rest of Northern Virginia, which is NOT what the references cited say, to a more neutral There has been continuous debate about whether or not Fredericksburg is a part of Northern Virginia, whish is precisely what the articles say. 155.213.224.59 (talk) 19:28, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

I changed the line to clarify that the debate is about whether or not Fredericksburg is culturally a part of Nova, rather than geographically, as it is officially considered geographically Northern VA (which I also added before the statement pertaining to the metro region the city is a part of, in line with similar articles about cities in Northern VA). --Bathes (talk) 18:18, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

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Obama rally
Two anonymous editors have recently removed the sentences about the recent Obama/Biden rally at UMW. I've restored them, but I reckon that it should be discussed. I know we want to avoid recentism, but I think that a rally which draws a crowd bigger than the population of the city is noteworthy. If people disagree, I'd like to see the arguments. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 16:40, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Fred Vegas?
I went there a few times over this past summer, and this place was off the hook. Chain-restaurants as far as the eye can see. I may have had one too many Jack and DC Specials, but local residents convinced me that the nightlife was on par with Las Vegas. Is it true that Fredericksburg is sometime referred to as Fred Vegas...because the nickname seemed perfect? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.83.227.87 (talk) 16:10, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Crime section
The crime section is generic and meaningless. It should either be deleted or re-written to contain information on - crime. In Fredericksburg. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.142.22.118 (talk) 15:09, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

"Brooklyn on the Rappahannock" — noteworthy?
So a Washington Post column yesterday said that "Fredericksburg might want to start hyping itself as Brooklyn on the Rappahannock." The point was that downtown Fredericksburg is thriving with art studios, foodie restaurants and hipster design shops. Is this noteworthy? Should the "Culture and recreation" section have something beyond the historic sites and Chick-Fil-A (which technically is not in the city anyway)? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:06, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Founding of The University of Mary Washington
Text in the article states UMW was founded in Fredericksburg in 1908, however, the land on which the school was built was not annexed into the city until 1940. The school was "founded" in Spotsylvania County. See Google News Archive of the local newspaper, The Free Lance-Star, article from May 13, 1967 showing map of history of the annexation of Fredericksburg here: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=9fRKRCJz75UC&dat=19670513&printsec=frontpage&hl=en The school is located on the land immediately west of Sunken Road. Sorry I don't have an account here. Submitted by Theron Keller, 6 June 2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.71.207.88 (talk) 03:06, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Waynesboro, Virginia

Waynesboro Outlet Village merge
I oppose merging Waynesboro Outlet Village with Waynesboro, Virginia. The Outlet Village is sufficiently notable to merit its own article without needing to be propped up by the main city article. SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:41, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

oppose The WOV article is too detailed to merge into Waynesboro. It stands on its own merits. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 10:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Winchester, Virginia

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Wondering how to edit this U.S. City Entry? The WikiProject Cities standards might help.

Thread begun in 2005, discussing whether Civil War history is relevant enough to Winchester to merit inclusion...
Just wondering if it's true Wincheste, VA, changed hands total of 72 times during USCW. If so, include on Civil War page? Trekphiler 08:28, 28 December 2005 (UTC) I have lived in Winchester since 1978, and I have heard that it changed hands many times during the Revolutoinay War, not the Civil War. There is a museum here where George Washington had a headquarters during that war.

The article says there was a German immigrant named Jost Hite. I don't know anything about him, but for five years I lived on Joist Hite Place, so I suspect that is the correct spelling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.62.225.214 (talk) 07:29, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

There are several spellings since he was German and migrated. The most common accepted spelling is Jost Hite. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rdeyerle (talk • contribs) 18:05, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Welcome to wikipedia. Here we draw a major distinction between untraceable hearsay, and published sources.  I'm not seeing anything in this thread but the former, but nothing personal. Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 14:04, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Medical School
There is currently no medical school in Winchester and I removed the reference for now. If the sentence was referring to the 19th century school it needs more clarification. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.77.126.50 (talk) 03:17, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Issues: 1) Don't we mean west of the BLUE RIDGE mountains, not the Apps? It's barely at the foothills of the main body of the Apps. 2) Viewpoint in the Civil War section is blatantly biased toward the Confederacy. Seriously, it's bad. Kyraven (talk) 00:23, 2 March 2008 (UTC) You think it's bad? You don't know what bad is, Buddy. Try living here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.111.93.53 (talk) 01:38, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I agreed with the blatant bias towards the Confederacy in the Civil war section - it reads really badly, but I don't feel qualified to fix it up. So I added a neutrality warning to the section. MM. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.128.97 (talk) 18:17, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm a local native, and this article is, or was, fair and balanced. The "bias" towards the Confederacy might be, and hold on to your boots, because Winchester was IN the Confederacy for crying out loud. As far as a medical school, everyone not only knows about the old Medical school the Yankees burned down wantonly, but Shenandoah University runs a medical/nursing school and has part of their campus right next to the big regional hospital here. It is really annoying when people not from this area start editing and throwing on tags, and don't know what they are talking about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.161.21 (talk) 17:58, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Clean up
I weeded out most of the external links - some I converted to references, some I got rid of as they were for places or things not mentioned in the article and did not meet WP:EL. The links for the newspaper and TV station are still in - I think they would work better as refs for a media section but do not know the city well enough to make such a section. I also cleaned up the headers a bit per WP:HEAD and tried to remove duplicate historic sites (things listed both in the NRHP section and the Historic sites section following that). I also moved the images out of the gallery. Apologies for any errors, please fix if I made any. Ruhrfisch ><> ° ° 02:30, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

The picture of Washington is actually Napoleon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neko Hibiki (talk • contribs) 13:30, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It's Washington. Click on the picture and read.MartinezMD (talk) 14:59, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It is indeed a young Washington. Coal town guy (talk) 01:56, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Independent City
It says in the article that Winchester, VA is an "independent city" and the county seat of Frederick County. However, in the article of "independent city", under "United States", it says that an independent city does not belong to a county. Would someone please clarify this? Raztus (talk) 21:43, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, let me give this a shot. Winchester is an Independent City and technically its own county.  But, awhile back (not sure how long) Winchester was part of Frederick County and is the County Seat of Frederick County.  So when it became an Independent City, it remained the County Seat.

 * Virginia is an odd little state, where Independent Cities can be County Seats while at the same time being seperate from that county. It is also the only state (with the slight exception of Maryland with Baltimore City/County) that has Independent Cities.

 * Hopefully this helps answer your question, but to be honest, I have lived in Virginia all my life and I still don't totally understand the Independent City thing. -  NeutralHomer •  Talk  • 21:54, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the reply! I emailed the contact given on the Winchester website and received this prompt response:
 * The City of Winchester is independent of Frederick County. Winchester received its town charter in 1752 and then became a city in 1874 and in Virginia, cities are independent localities.  However, Frederick County’s offices are housed in Winchester, along with their courts in a judicial center built jointly by the two localities in the mid-1980’s.

 * A good place for more information about the area is the Winchester-Frederick County Historical Society’s website at http://www.winchesterhistory.org/index.htm.

 * I'm not sure he was correct in saying that "all cities are independent localities", but his response clarified that Winchester is still the county seat because the county offices are located there, even though it is an independent locality
 * -Raztus (talk) 04:25, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Removed biased section
I removed the section referring to Union atrocities during the occupation of Winchester. While I have no doubt that atrocities occurred, the section in question was written in an obviously biased POV and totally unsourced. I have no problem if a properly written and sourced section regarding Union atrocities is readded to the article. Safiel (talk) 22:51, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * This was not a "biased" section, these things actually took place. Please look for sources, don't delete whole sections all "willy-nilly". -  NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • 22:57, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

The only "bias" here is from user Safiel, who is bushwhacking this page unnecessarily. The atrocities which occurred in Winchester are stamped in bronze plaques, stones and monuments all across town, on signs in the museums and so forth. If every last phrase and word needs to be reference, creating lists of hundreds of references for articles, the greater nature of Wikipedia is violated. I believe this is a tactic (calling for ad naseum references) by user Safiel in order to create his/her own POV. Someone please add whatever material was deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.161.21 (talk) 17:53, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Thomas Lord Fairfax
I grew up in Winchester and always assumed that the title of "lord" Fairfax was in fact a title yet on his grave marker at Christ Episcopal Church I was pretty sure that it was listed as just his middle name and not a title per se. Does anyone have any insight on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pswanson1126 (talk • contribs) 21:16, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

 * Thomas Fairfax, 6th Lord Fairfax of Cameron it's a title. Not sure what the grave marker meant.MartinezMD (talk) 23:11, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Staunton, Virginia

Untitled
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C.F. Richards Jr. Academy
Now called C.F. Richards Christian School. It is a private school that is supported by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and teaches kids Preschool through 8th grade.

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Talk:Harrisonburg, Virginia

Year 2000 census data?
Hello, The year 2000 will be, in 20 days, 16 years behind us. It's entirely past the time to update the census info, in this wiki. N'est pas? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.187.17.0 (talk) 13:27, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

adding a link
Hello, I would like to add a link to the Hunter McGuire School information under Harrisonburg schools. The website address is:

www.huntermcguire.org

thank you. Please let me know if you need more information or if you have any questions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.152.126.184 (talk • contribs) 19:07, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Hunter McGuire isn't part of the Harrisonburg City School system, it belongs under the entry for Rockingham County, if there is one.
 * -Felix J. Lockhart, lifelong Harrisonburg resident —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.62.240.250 (talk) 23:54, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I would like to add Cornerstone Christian Academy as well as an outstanding school based on Biblical ethics and standards with sports, solid foundation, and excellent education. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.73.227.209 (talk) 22:56, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

 * It can be mentioned in the education section of the article about Rockingham County, Virginia as the school is not located in the city limits of Harrisonburg. The mention, however, should be brief and should avoid any type of promotional language or other boosterism that cannot be supported by neutral sources (basically, anything that is an opinion not supported by an outside organization or publication).  The link to the school's website should be in the form of a citation, not a bare link at the end or within the article.  --JonRidinger (talk) 20:27, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Notable Natives and residents
Please see BIO regarding the requirements for including individuals in this section. As long as an individual meets the general requirements of the standard, they can/should be included. The list should also be kept alphabetical, per MOSLIST --TRL (talk) 16:08, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Category overkill
I've noticed there are quite a few categories related to Harrisonburg now and I think we might have a case of over-categorization. For instance, having JMU listed under separate buildings and structures, education, and visitor attraction categories is overkill. Education is enough. A buildings and structures category is for articles about buildings, not a university itself, which is far more than just buildings. Attractions really doesn't apply either since it's an educational institution, not a tourist attraction. All universities attract visitors, but that doesn't mean they would be considered a tourist attraction; most people come to a university for a specific purpose, not as tourists. Usually if the main category has a large amount of articles, then you start branching them off. Having a "Schools in Harrisonburg" and "Education in Harrisonburg" is redundant in any city, but especially in one the size of Harrisonburg. Because Harrisonburg is an independent city, having a separate category for the schools is needed since it can't be in a county, however, there is no need for both education and schools. Outside of the "James Madison University" category, "People from Harrisonburg, Virginia" category, and "Education in Harrisonburg, Virginia" (or "Schools...") category, there really isn't a need for the additional categories as each has just 1 or 2 pages in each and in several cases, one article is present in 2 or 3 categories. This makes it far more difficult to find things that are related because you have to go through a category tree. --JonRidinger (talk) 20:17, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

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Talk:Virginia Beach, Virginia

To-Do List
This article is more or less a stub, so there's a lot of development to do here. I've redone the Infobox in the upper right-hand corner, following the same format as many other cities (see Richmond, Virginia, Norfolk, Virginia, and Louisville, Kentucky as examples. One thing that should be added to the Infobox is a picture of the city flag, if someone can find that.

As the two major cities in the Hampton Roads metropolitan area, I think Norfolk and Virginia Beach should stand out and have the most information overall. They're almost like the twin cities of Minnesota, although they're not called that. But there is a lot of overlap in infrastructure, culture, climate, etc. So we need to consider carefully the quality of these two cities first, before we get into many of the other cities of Hampton Roads. But ultimately, all cities should overall agree with each other in format, style, and accuracy.

A suggested organization for the major sections of this article might be: See the Featured articles of Seattle, Washington and San Jose, California for guidelines. The article on Louisville, Kentucky is also well organized. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Derek.cashman (talk • contribs) 16:50, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
 * History
 * Geography and Climate
 * Cityscape
 * Climate
 * Pronunciation
 * People and Culture - Perhaps the culture section could link to a separate article on the culture of Hampton Roads in general, since a lot of culture seems to overlap with other cities.
 * Demographics
 * Annual cultural events and fairs
 * Museums and Art Collections
 * Media
 * Parks and Outdoor Attractions
 * Performing Arts
 * Sports
 * Economy
 * Infrastructure
 * Government
 * Education
 * Transportation
 * Utilities
 * Sister cities
 * See also - links to various lists (famous celebrities, mayors, schools, etc)
 * References - textbook and other references
 * External links

Religion - Incorrect data?
I see a problem in the section "Demographics" and in the subsection "Religion". The specified source provides different information than the section in the article. The article states, for example, that 28% of the population would be Catholics. The source stated that 10.7% of the population are Catholics. It would be very nice if someone could check. --Ora Unu (talk) 18:43, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * , if you have issue with this or any other article, fix it! This is a volunteer organization. John from Idegon (talk) 20:02, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * English is not my native language and I am rarely active on the English Wikipedia. That's why I thought it would be better for people who write articles in this subject area to do so. The only thing I noticed is that the information about the denominations is very strange for the situation in Virginia. But since no one has actually revised this article, I will try my hand at it. --Ora Unu (talk) 15:19, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Move
Move to Virginia Beach. No need for Virginia. 2A02:C7E:3AA0:9200:7171:E9D6:A968:BC39 (talk) 16:54, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

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Requested move 11 January 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Proposed move is clearly in violation of WP:USPLACE. WP:RMCI is very clear that proposals that do not align with guidelines need to be closed as "not moved" regardless of the number of supporters, absent a very good reason to WP:IAR. WP:IAR was invoked here by one supporter, but I do not find the reason provided to be "very good" in this case. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 20:58, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Virginia Beach, Virginia → Virginia Beach – Virginia Beach already redirects to Virginia Beach, Virginia. Per WP:CONCISE. With Virginia being in the city name, this serves the purpose to reduce title redundancy since no other place holds the name. Vataxevader (talk) 20:00, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:USPLACE. You can propose this policy at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names), but this request will be closed here. glman (talk) 20:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject Virginia has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject United States has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:09, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject Cities has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:09, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose The AP stylebook lists 30 cities that don't need the state alongside, and Virginia Beach isn't one of them. Unless WP:USPLACE is changed, this article should stay. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 22:00, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Would you mind linking the AP stylebook? I cannot find it anywhere online. Vataxevader (talk) 23:42, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Vataxevader - It is linked at the guideline WP:USPLACE. glman (talk) 23:50, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I actually don't see a working link there, though the cities are listed in the references. I did find the relevant info here as well. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 00:46, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Vataxevader (talk) 23:12, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

 * Oppose per glman and DrOrinScrivello. A 2013 discussion can be consulted at Talk:Virginia Beach, Virginia/Archive 1 and a more recent request was in 2018 at Talk:Virginia Beach, Virginia/Archive 1. A 2008 general discussion on all the city names is at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements)/Archive 19. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:26, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose per USPLACE.  O.N.R.  (talk) 01:38, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support, we've done it elsewhere. New York City, Chicago, Seattle, Los Angeles, Boston, Atlanta, even internationally with Toronto, London, Auckland.  It's no different here.  There isn't any other city, nationwide, called "Virginia Beach" per GNIS.  I will concede that there are two beaches called Virginia Beach, one in Miami-Dade and one in Nevada (though this one is due to it's location near the historic Virginia City, Nevada).  That said, the only city place name is Virginia Beach, Virginia.  Thus, we can safely name it Virginia Beach. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 18:05, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Please review the overarching guideline WP:USPLACE. PEr WP:LOCALCONSENSUS, we cannot make this change on this page. If you want to change the guideline, we need to do it at USPLACE. glman (talk) 19:51, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't need that headache. But if USPLACE is so "overarching" and LOCALCONSENSUS backs it up, then all of the pages I mentioned above (US only) should be renamed accordingly.  Can't enforce the rules here and ignore them over there.  Just sayin'.  I do stand by my !vote, though. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 21:32, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * USPLACE uses the AP stylebook as its guideline, and that manual allows for 30 cities including the (American) ones you mentioned  to be listed sans state name. Virginia Beach is not included amongst them. There's no conflict of rules enforcement. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 22:42, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * It might be also noted that, among the 30 U.S. cities listed by the AP, only 28 appear in English Wikipedia as main title header city-only primary topics. The remaining two — Phoenix and Washington — are headers of disambiguation pages. A nomination to move the main header "Phoenix, Arizona" to "Phoenix" was unsuccessful at Talk:Phoenix, Arizona. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:48, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * And New York.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:50, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Comment Per WP:LOCALCONSENSUS we cannot override WP:USPLACE on this page. This discussion should be a WP:SNOW close and users who support a change can begin a discussion at the overall guideline page. glman (talk) 19:53, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * To the contrary, we can, per IAR, and must first make moves like this per local consensus before changing the guideline. I explained why years ago, here: User:Born2cycle/You_can%27t_change_the_guideline_first. —В²C ☎ 06:57, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and applying WP:IAR to USPLACE, which has created untold ambiguity and confusion (like this nom) in title decision-making due to its contradiction of WP:CONCISE. —В²C ☎ 06:57, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:USPLACE, WP:RS, WP:ENGVAR, etc., as elaborated at WP:PERENNIAL. Also, contrary to what the nom seems to suggest, we absolutely cannot assume that the presence of a state in a US place's name indicates the state that it's actually in. Virginia City, for example, is nowhere near Virginia. (Likewise, Minnesota Junction is in Wisconsin, Wisconsin Township is in Minnesota, Nevada City is in California, Arizona Township is in Nebraska, Missouri City is in Texas, Texas is in New York, New York is in Texas, etc.) ╠╣uw [ talk ] 11:01, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Leaning support though I don't think it can be done per WP:USPLACE as that says its common usage though this may be a good idea to ignore it like Colorado Springs though unlike Colorado Springs there are other places, see ceb:Virginia Beach.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:44, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

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Maxim Kontsevich

Maxim Lvovich Kontsevich (Макси́м Льво́вич Конце́вич, ; born 25 August 1964) is a Russian and French mathematician and mathematical physicist. He is a professor at the Institut des Hautes Études Scientifiques and a distinguished professor at the University of Miami. He received the Henri Poincaré Prize in 1997, the Fields Medal in 1998, the Crafoord Prize in 2008, the Shaw Prize and Breakthrough Prize in Fundamental Physics in 2012, and the Breakthrough Prize in Mathematics in 2015.

Academic career and research
He was born into the family of Lev Kontsevich, Soviet orientalist and author of the Kontsevich system. After ranking second in the All-Union Mathematics Olympiads, he attended Moscow State University but left without a degree in 1985 to become a researcher at the Institute for Information Transmission Problems in Moscow. While at the institute he published papers that caught the interest of the Max Planck Institute in Bonn and was invited for three months. Just before the end of his time there, he attended a five-day international meeting, the Arbeitstagung, where he sketched a proof of the Witten conjecture to the amazement of Michael Atiyah and other mathematicians and his invitation to the institute was subsequently extended to three years.

The next year he finished the proof and worked on various topics on mathematical physics and in 1992 received his Dr. rer. nat. at the University of Bonn under Don Bernard Zagier. His thesis outlines a proof of a conjecture by Edward Witten that two quantum gravitational models are equivalent. In 1992, Kontsevich was appointed to a full professorship in mathematics at the University of California, Berkeley, before moving in 1995 to France, where he joined the Institut des Hautes Études Scientifiques in Bures-sur-Yvette as a permanent member.

His work concentrates on geometric aspects of mathematical physics, most notably on knot theory, quantization, and mirror symmetry. One of his results is a formal deformation quantization that holds for any Poisson manifold. He also introduced the Kontsevich integral, a topological invariant of knots (and links) defined by complicated integrals analogous to Feynman integrals, and generalizing the classical Gauss linking number. In topological field theory, he introduced the moduli space of stable maps, which may be considered a mathematically rigorous formulation of the Feynman integral for topological string theory. He also proved that the Dixmier conjecture is equivalent to the Jacobian conjecture.

Honors and awards
In 1998, he won the Fields Medal "for his contributions to algebraic geometry, topology, and mathematical physics, including the proof of Witten's conjecture of intersection numbers in moduli spaces of stable curves, construction of the universal Vassiliev invariant of knots, and formal quantization of Poisson manifolds." In July 2012, he was an inaugural awardee of the Breakthrough Prize in Fundamental Physics, the creation of physicist and internet entrepreneur, Yuri Milner. Also in 2012, he was awarded the Shaw Prize. In 2015, he was awarded Breakthrough Prize in Mathematics.

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