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Thompson submachine gun

The Thompson submachine gun (also known as the "Tommy gun", "Chicago typewriter", or "trench broom") is a blowback-operated, selective-fire submachine gun, invented and developed by Brigadier General John T. Thompson, a United States Army officer, in 1918. It was designed to break the stalemate of trench warfare of World War I, although early models did not arrive in time for actual combat.

The Thompson saw early use by the United States Marine Corps during the Banana Wars, the United States Postal Inspection Service, the Irish Republican Army, the Republic of China, and the FBI following the Kansas City Massacre.

The weapon was also sold to the general public. Because it was so widely used by criminals, the Thompson became notorious during the Prohibition era as the signature weapon of various organized crime syndicates in the United States in the 1920s. It was a common sight in the media at the time, and was used by both law enforcement officers and criminals.

The Thompson was widely adopted by the U.S. armed forces during World War II, and was also used extensively by other Allied troops during the war. Its main models were designated as the M1928A1, M1 and M1A1 during this time. More than 1.5 million Thompson submachine guns were produced during World War II.

It is the first weapon to be labelled and marketed as a "submachine gun".

The original selective-fire Thompson variants are no longer produced, although numerous semi-automatic civilian versions are still being produced by the manufacturer Auto-Ordnance. These models retain a similar appearance to the original models, but have various modifications in order to comply with US firearm laws.

Development
Brigadier General John T. Thompson, who spent most of his career in the ordnance department of the U.S. Army, was the original inventor and developer of the Thompson submachine gun. He envisioned it as being a fully automatic rifle in order to replace the bolt-action service rifles then in use (such as the American M1903 Springfield).

Thompson came across a patent issued to the American inventor John Bell Blish in 1915, while searching for a way to allow his weapon to operate safely without the complexity of a recoil or gas-operated reloading mechanism. Blish's design (then known as the Blish lock) was based on the supposed adhesion of inclined metal surfaces under pressure. Thompson gained financial backing from the businessman Thomas F. Ryan and proceeded to found a company, which he named the Auto-Ordnance Company, in 1916, for the purpose of developing his new "auto rifle".

The Thompson was primarily developed in Cleveland, Ohio. Its principal designers were Theodore H. Eickhoff, Oscar V. Payne, and George E. Goll. By late 1917, the limits of the Blish lock were discovered (which is essentially an extreme manifestation of static friction), and, rather than the firearm working as a locked breech, the weapon was instead designed to function as a friction-delayed blowback action. It was found that the only cartridge then in service suitable for use with the new lock was the .45 ACP. General Thompson envisioned a "one-man, hand-held machine gun" chambered in .45 ACP to be used as a "trench broom" for the ongoing trench warfare of World War I. Oscar V. Payne designed the new firearm along with its stick and drum magazines. The project was titled "Annihilator I". Most of the design issues had been resolved by 1918; however, the war ended two days before prototypes could be shipped to Europe.

At an Auto-Ordnance board meeting in 1919, in order to discuss the marketing of the "Annihilator", with the war now over the weapon was officially renamed the "Thompson Submachine Gun". While other weapons had been developed shortly prior with similar objectives in mind, the Thompson was the first weapon to be labeled and marketed as a "submachine gun". Thompson intended for the weapon to provide a high volume of automatic, man-portable fire for use in trench warfare—a role for which the Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR) had been determined ill-suited. The concept had already been developed by German troops using their own Bergmann MP 18 (the world's first submachine gun) in concert with their Sturmtruppen tactics.

Early use

The first Thompson entered production as the Model of 1921. It was available to civilians, but, because of the weapon's high price, initially saw poor sales. The Thompson (with one Type XX 20 round "stick" magazine) had been priced at $200 in 1921 (roughly )

The major initial complaints concerning the Thompson were its cumbersome weight, its inaccuracy at ranges over 50 yd, and its lack of penetrating power using the .45 ACP cartridge.

The Thompson was first used in combat in June 13, 1921, when West Virginia state troopers fired on the mountainside near Lick Creek, where striking miners were firing at passing cars. By the time of the Battle of Blair Mountain, 37 had been acquired by the West Virginia state police and 56 were in the hands of coal companies and local law enforcement. The guns were also shipped to various hardware stores in the region.

Some of the first batches of Thompsons were bought (in America) by agents of the Irish Republic (notably the Irish politician Harry Boland). The first test of the Thompson in Ireland was performed by Irish Republican Army unit commander Tom Barry, of the West Cork Brigade, in the presence of IRA leader Michael Collins. They purchased a total of 653 units, though US customs authorities in New York seized 495 of the units in June 1921. The remainder found their way to the Irish Republican Army by way of Liverpool, England, and were used in the last month of the Irish War of Independence (1919–1921). After a truce with the British in July 1921, the Irish Republican Army imported more units, which were used in the subsequent Irish Civil War (1922–1923). The Thompson was not found to be very effective in Ireland; having only caused serious casualties in 32 percent of the action in which it was used.

During the failed 1924 Estonian coup, communists used Thompsons in an attempt to storm the Tallinn barracks; meanwhile the MP 18 was used by the defenders. This was possibly the first engagement where submachine guns were used on both sides.

The Thompson achieved early notoriety in the hands of Prohibition and Great Depression-era gangsters and the lawmen who pursued them. It was also depicted in gangster films during this era, most notably regarding the Saint Valentine's Day Massacre. The Thompson guns used in the massacre are still being held by the Berrien County Sheriff's Department. The Thompson has been referred to by one researcher as the "gun that made the twenties roar".

Around 200 Model of 1921 Thompsons were sold in 1926 to the United States Postal Inspection Service  so they could protect the mail from a spate of robberies. These weapons were loaned to the United States Marine Corps which was, at that time, tasked with guarding mail shipments; this prompted the US Navy to formally test the Thompson. The Navy requested a reduction in the rate of fire. Auto-Ordnance complied, modifying the weapons by adding a substantial amount of mass to the actuator. In 1927 a number of Thompsons would be shipped to Marines in China and Nicaragua. The Navy subsequently ordered 500 guns, designated the Model of 1928.

The Thompson saw popularity as a point-defense weapon for countering ambushes by Nicaraguan guerrillas (in the Banana Wars) and led to the creation of four-man fire teams which had as much firepower as a nine-man rifle squad. Federal sales were then followed by sales to police departments in the US, as well as to various international armies and constabulary forces; chiefly in Central and South America.

In 1926, the Cutts compensator (a muzzle brake) was offered as an attachment option for the Thompson. Models with the compensator were cataloged as No. 21AC, at the original price of $200. The plain Thompson (without the attachment) was designated No. 21A at a reduced price of $175.

In 1928, Federal Laboratories took over distribution of the weapon from Thompson's Auto-Ordnance Corporation. The new cost was listed as $225 per weapon, with $5 per 50-round drum and $3 per 20-round magazine.

Thompsons had also been widely used throughout China, where several Chinese warlords and their military factions running various parts of the fragmented country made purchases of the weapon, and subsequently produced many local copies.

Nationalist China acquired a substantial number of Thompson guns for use against Japanese land forces. They began producing copies of the Thompson in small quantities for use by their armies and militias. In the 1930s, Taiyuan Arsenal (a Chinese weapons manufacturer) produced copies of the Thompson for Yan Xishan, the then warlord of Shanxi province.

The FBI had also acquired Thompsons in 1933 following the Kansas City Massacre.

A number of these guns were acquired by a construction company in Brazil, after construction of a federal road in Sergipe was disrupted by armed Cangaçeiros in December 1937 who violently opposed any attempts to build roads near their territory.

World War II
In 1938, the Thompson submachine gun was adopted by the U.S. military and was used during World War II.

There were two military types of Thompson submachine gun:

 * The M1928A1, which had provisions for both box and drum magazines, utilized the Cutts muzzle brake, had cooling fins on the barrel, and employed a delayed blowback action with the charging handle on the top of the receiver.
 * The M1 and M1A1, which had provisions for box magazines only, did not have cooling fins on the barrel, had a simplified rear sight, and employed a straight blowback action with the charging handle on the side of the receiver.

Over 1.5 million military Thompson submachine guns were produced during World War II.

Magazine developments
Military users of the M1928A1 units had complaints of the "L" 50-round drum magazine. The British Army criticized "the [magazine's] excessive weight, [and] the rattling sound they made" and shipped thousands back to the U.S. in exchange for 20-round box magazines. The Thompson had to be cocked, bolt retracted, ready to fire, in order to attach the drum magazine. The drum magazine also attached and detached by sliding sideways, which made magazine changes slow and cumbersome. They also created difficulty when clearing a cartridge malfunction ("jam"). Reloading an empty drum with cartridges was a difficult and involved process in which the 50 rounds would be inserted and then the magazine wound up until a minimum of 9 to 11 loud "clicks" were heard before seating the magazine into the weapon.

In contrast, the "XX" twenty-round box magazine was light and compact. It tended not to rattle, and could be inserted with the bolt safely closed. The box magazine was quickly attached and detached, and was removed downward, making clearing jams easier. The box magazine tripped the bolt open lock when empty, facilitating magazine changes. An empty box was easy to reload with loose rounds. However, users complained that it was limited in capacity. In the field, some soldiers would tape two "XX" magazines together, in what would be known as "jungle style", to quicken magazine changes.

Two alternatives to the "L" 50-round drum and "XX" 20-round box magazines were tested December 6, 1941, at Fort Knox, Kentucky. An extended thirty-round box magazine and a forty-round magazine, which were made by welding two 20-round magazines face to face, jungle style, were tested. The testers considered both superior to either the "XX" box or "L" drum. The 30-round box was approved as the new standard in December 1941 to replace the "XX" and "L" magazines. (The concept of welding two box magazines face-to-face was also carried over to the M42 submachine gun.)

M1 development
The staff of Savage Arms looked for ways to simplify the M1928A1, and produced a prototype in February 1942, which was tested at Aberdeen Proving Ground in March 1942. Army Ordnance approved adoption (as the M1) in April 1942. M1s were made by Savage Arms and by Auto-Ordnance. M1s were issued with the 30-round box magazine and would accept the earlier 20-round box, but would not accept the drum magazine.

Combat use
The Thompson was used in World War II in the hands of Allied troops as a weapon for scouts, non-commissioned officers (corporal, sergeant, and higher), and patrol leaders, as well as commissioned officers, tank crewmen, and soldiers performing raids on German positions. In the European theater, the gun was widely utilized in British and Canadian commando units, as well as in the U.S. Army paratrooper and Ranger battalions, where it was issued more frequently than in line infantry units because of its high rate of fire and its stopping power, which made it very effective in the kinds of close combat these special operations troops were expected to undertake. Military Police were fond of it, as were paratroopers, who "borrowed" Thompsons from members of mortar squads for use on patrols behind enemy lines. The gun was prized by those lucky enough to get one and proved itself in the close street fighting that was encountered frequently during the invasion of France. A Swedish variant of the M1928A1, the Kulsprutepistol m/40 (machine pistol, model 40), served in the Swedish Army between 1940 and 1951. Through Lend-Lease, the Soviet Union also received the Thompson, but due to a shortage of appropriate ammunition, its use was not widespread.

In the Malayan Campaign, the Burma Campaign and the Pacific Theater, Lend-Lease-issue Thompsons were used by the British Army, Indian Army, Australian Army infantry and other Commonwealth forces. They used the Thompson extensively in jungle patrols and ambushes, where it was prized for its firepower, though it was criticized for its hefty weight and poor reliability. In New Guinea, the Thompson was the only submachine gun available to the Australian Army for most of the vital Kokoda Track campaign in 1942. It became so prized that soldiers routinely picked up Thompson guns dropped by killed or wounded comrades. However, the weight of the ammunition and difficulties in supply eventually led to its replacement in Australian Army units in 1943 by Australian-made submachine guns, the Owen and Austen. Thompsons were also given to the Royal Australian Air Force and Royal Australian Navy.

In Burma and India, British forces largely replaced the Thompson with the Sten gun. New Zealand commando forces in the South Pacific campaign initially used Thompsons but switched them for the more reliable, lighter, and more accurate Owen during the Solomon Islands and Guadalcanal campaigns. The U.S. Marines also used the Thompson as a limited-issue weapon, especially during their later island assaults. The Thompson was soon found to have limited effect in heavy jungle cover, where the low-velocity .45 bullet would not penetrate most small-diameter trees or protective armor vests. (In 1923, the Army had rejected the .45 Remington–Thompson, which had twice the energy of the .45 ACP.) In the U.S. Army, many Pacific War jungle patrols were originally equipped with Thompsons in the early phases of the New Guinea and Guadalcanal campaigns, but soon began employing the Browning Automatic Rifle in its place as a point defense weapon.

The Army introduced the U.S. M3 and M3A1 submachine guns in 1943 with plans to produce the latter in numbers sufficient to cancel future orders for the Thompson, while gradually withdrawing it from first-line service. However, due to unforeseen production delays and requests for modifications, the M3/M3A1 never replaced the Thompson, and purchases continued until February 1944. Though the M3 was considerably cheaper to produce, at the end of World War II, the Thompson, with a total wartime production of over 1.5 million, outnumbered the M3/M3A1 submachine guns in service by nearly three to one.

After World War II

Thompson submachine guns were used by both sides during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war. Following the war, Thompsons were issued to members of Israel's elite Unit 101, upon the formation of that unit in 1953.

During the Greek Civil War, the Thompson submachine gun was used by both sides. The Hellenic Armed Forces, gendarmerie and police units were equipped with Thompson submachine guns supplied by the British and later in the war by the United States. The opposing Communist fighters of the Democratic Army of Greece were also using Thompson submachine guns, either captured from government forces or inherited from ELAS. ELAS was the strongest of the resistance forces during the period of Greek Resistance against the Germans and Italians and were supplied with arms from both the British and the United States. After the demobilization of ELAS, an unspecified number of arms were not surrendered to the government but kept hidden and were later used by the Democratic Army of Greece.

The Thompson also found service with the KNIL and the Netherlands Marine Corps during their attempt to retake their former colony of Indonesia. Later by Indonesian infiltrators during the 1965 Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation.

By the time of the Korean War in 1950, the Thompson had seen much use by the U.S. and South Korean military, even though the Thompson had been replaced as standard-issue by the M3/M3A1. With huge numbers of guns available in army ordnance arsenals, the Thompson remained classed as Limited Standard or Substitute Standard long after the standardization of the M3/M3A1. Many Thompsons were distributed to the US-backed Nationalist Chinese armed forces as military aid before the fall of Chiang Kai-shek's government to Mao Zedong's communist forces at the end of the Chinese Civil War in 1949 (Thompsons had already been widely used throughout China since the 1920s, at a time when several Chinese warlords and their military factions running various parts of the fragmented country made purchases of the weapon and then subsequently produced many local copies). During the Korean War, US troops were surprised to encounter communist Chinese troops armed with Thompsons (amongst other captured US-made Nationalist Chinese and American firearms), especially during unexpected night-time assaults which became a prominent Chinese combat tactic in the conflict. The gun's ability to deliver large quantities of short-range automatic assault fire proved very useful in both defense and assault during the early part of the war when it was constantly mobile and shifting back and forth. Many Chinese Thompsons were captured and placed into service with American soldiers and marines for the remaining period of the war.

The Yugoslav Army received 34,000 M1A1 Thompsons during the 1950s as part of a US Military Aid to Yugoslavia Agreement. These guns were used during the Yugoslav Wars in the 1990s.

During the Cuban Revolution, the Thompson submachine gun was used by both Batista's army and Fidel Castro's guerrillas. Both the latter and the Brigade 2506 also used some during the Bay of Pigs Invasion.

During the Vietnam War, some South Vietnamese army units and defense militia were armed with Thompson submachine guns, and a few of these weapons were used by reconnaissance units, advisors, and other American troops. It was partially replaced by the MAC-10, albeit during Vietnam, the fully automatic fire provided by the M16 made the Thompson less effective than it previously had been. Still, not only did some U.S. soldiers have use of them in Vietnam, they encountered them as well. The Viet Cong liked the weapon and used both captured models as well as manufacturing their own copies in small jungle workshops.

The Australian government destroyed most of their Thompson machine carbines in the 1960s. They shipped their remaining stocks to arm the forces of Lon Nol's Khmer Republic in 1975. They were then captured and used by the Khmer Rouge.

During the Troubles (1969–1998), the Thompson was again used by the Irish Republican paramilitaries. According to historian Peter Hart, "The Thompson remained a key part of both the Official IRA and Provisional IRA arsenals until well into the 1970s when it was superseded by the Armalite and the AK-47."

The Thompson was also used by U.S. and overseas law enforcement and police forces, most prominently by the FBI. The FBI used Thompsons until they were declared obsolete and ordered destroyed in the early 1970s.

Collector interest
Because of their quality and craftsmanship, as well as their gangster-era and WWII connections, Thompsons are sought as collector's items. There were fewer than 40 pre-production prototypes. The Colt Patent Fire Arms Manufacturing Company in Hartford, Connecticut was contracted by the Auto-Ordnance Corporation to manufacture the initial mass production of 15,000 Thompson Submachine Guns in 1920. An original Colt Model 1921 A or AC, Model 1927 A or AC, Model 1928 Navy A or AC, properly registered in working condition with original components can easily fetch from US$25,000 to $45,000+ depending on condition and accessories. For WWII, approximately 1,700,000 Thompson Submachine Guns were produced by Auto-Ordnance and Savage Arms, with 1,387,134 being the simplified World War II M1 and M1A1 variants (without the Blish lock and oiling system).

A Model 1921A believed to have been owned by Bonnie and Clyde, but without historical documentation to substantiate this provenance, sold at auction on January 21, 2012, in Kansas City for $130,000.

Operating characteristics
Early versions of the Thompson, the Model 1919, had a fairly high cyclic rate of fire, as high as 1,200 rounds per minute (rpm), with most Model 1921s at 800 rpm. This rate of fire, combined with a rather heavy trigger pull and a stock with an excessive drop, increases the tendency for the barrel to climb off target in automatic fire. In 1927, the U.S. Navy ordered 500 Thompsons but requested a lower rate of fire. Thompson requested that Payne develop a method of reducing the cyclic rate of fire. Payne then replaced the actuator with a heavier one, and replaced the recoil spring with a stiffer one; the changes reduced the rate of fire from 800 to the 600 rpm of the U.S. Navy Model 1928. Later M1 and M1A1 Thompsons averaged also 600 rpm. Compared to more modern submachine guns, the Thompson is quite heavy, weighing roughly the same as the contemporary M1 Garand semi-automatic rifle, and requires a lot of cleaning. This was one of the major complaints about the weapon by U.S. Army personnel to whom it was issued.

Although the drum magazine provided significant firepower, in military service it was found to be overly heavy and bulky, especially when slung on the shoulder while marching. The M1928A1 Thompson drum magazine was rather fragile, and cartridges tended to rattle inside it, producing unwanted noise. For these reasons, the 20-round and later 30-round box magazines soon proved most popular with military users of the M1928A1, and drum compatibility was not included in the design of the wartime M1 and M1A1 models. The Thompson was one of the earliest submachine guns to incorporate a double-column, staggered-feed box magazine design, which undoubtedly contributed to the gun's reputation for reliability. In addition, the gun performed better than most after exposure to rain, dirt, and mud.

The selective-fire (semi or fully automatic) Thompson fires from the "open bolt" position, in which the bolt is held fully to rearward by the sear when cocked. When the trigger is depressed, the bolt is released, traveling forward to chamber and simultaneously fire the first and subsequent rounds until either the trigger is released or the ammunition is exhausted. This eliminates the risk of "cook-off", which can sometimes occur in closed-bolt automatic weapons.

Disassembly
The 1928 variant can be disassembled easily by first detaching the stock, then sliding off the lower receiver and then simply removing the internal parts, cleaning them, and then putting it back together. When opened up, the Thompson features a small number of parts that need to be removed including the spring, bolt, Blish Lock, and actuator bolt.

Persuader and Annihilator
There were two main experimental models of the Thompson. The Persuader was a belt-fed version developed in 1917/18. It was partially built, but never completely finished. The Annihilator, serial no. Ver 10 prototypes were similar in appearance to the later models, but without the rear sight and butt stock mounts. The Annihilator prototypes in which box magazine adapters were present, were first were fed from a 20-round box magazine, but later, the 50- and 100-round drum magazine models were developed.

Model 1919
Starting with the Serial no. 11, the Model 1919 takes the final appearance of the later Thompsons with the rear sights and butt stock. The Model 1919 was limited to about 40 units; the first built did not use the drums, as it was too difficult to fire. Many variations have been noted within this model. The weapons had very high cyclic rates up to 1,500 rpm. This was the weapon Brigadier General Thompson demonstrated at Camp Perry in 1920. A number of Model 1919s were made without butt stocks, rear and front sights, but the final version closely resembled the later Model 1921. This model was designed to "sweep" trenches with bullets. The New York City Police Department was the largest purchaser of the M1919. Some experimental calibers aside from the standard .45 ACP (11.4x23mm) were the .22LR, .32 ACP, .38 ACP, and 9mm.

.351 WSL variant
Only one prototype was made in .351 WSL using a standard 20" barrel which had a ROF of 1000rpm. 1926 it was shipped to France for testing but the extractor broke after 10 rounds, no spare parts were delivered.

Thompson .30 Carbine
The layout and ergonomics of the Thompson submachine gun were also considered for the role of a Light Rifle before the adoption of the M1 Carbine. An example known as the "Calibre .30 Short Rifle" was based on the M1921/27 variants. However, it was turned down without testing due to logistical problems.

.30-06 variant
A .30–06 variant was intended as a rival to the M1918 BAR. It had an extended receiver with a recoil buffer and was fed from 20-round magazines.

M1944 Hyde Carbine
.30 Carbine Variant.

Model 1921
The Model 1921 (M1921) was the first major production model. Fifteen thousand were produced by Colt for Auto-Ordnance. In its original design, it was finished more like a sporting weapon, with an adjustable rear sight, a blued, finned barrel and vertical foregrip (or pistol grip) and the Blish lock. The M1921 was quite expensive to manufacture, with the original retail price around $200, because of its high-quality wood furniture and finely machined parts. The M1921 was famous throughout its career with police and criminals and in motion pictures. This model gained fame from its use by criminals during Prohibition, and was nicknamed "tommy gun" by the media.

Model 1923
The Model 1923 was a heavy submachine gun introduced to potentially expand the Auto-Ordnance product line and was demonstrated for the U.S. Army. It fired the more powerful .45 Remington–Thompson cartridge which fired a heavier 250 gr bullet at muzzle velocities of about 1,450 ft/s and energy about 1170 ftlb, with greater range than the .45 ACP. It introduced a horizontal forearm, improved inline stock for accuracy, 14 in barrel, bipod, and bayonet lug. The M1923 was intended to rival the M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR), with which the Army was already satisfied. The Army did not give the Model 1923 much consideration, so it was not adopted. In addition to the .45 Remington–Thompson, the M1923 Thompsons were to be made available to prospective buyers in several calibers, including .45 ACP, 9mm Parabellum, 9mm Mauser, and .351 Winchester Self-loading.

Model 1921AC (1926)
While not a new model in the usual sense of incorporating major changes, in 1926 the Cutts Compensator (a muzzle brake) was offered as an option for the M1921; Thompsons with the compensator were cataloged as No. 21AC at the original price of $200.00, with the plain M1921 designated No. 21A at a reduced price of $175.00. The Model 1921 was thereafter referred to as Model 1921A or Model 1921AC, though some collectors still refer to it as the Model 1921.

Model 1928

The Model 1928 was the first type widely used by military forces, with the U.S. Navy and U.S. Marine Corps as major buyers through the 1930s. The original Model 1928s were Model 1921s with weight added to the actuator, which slowed down the cyclic rate of fire, a United States Navy requirement. On these guns, the model number "1921" on the receiver was updated by stamping an "8" over the last "1". The Navy Model 1928 has several names among collectors: the "Colt Overstamp", "1921 Overstamp", "28 Navy", or just "28N".

The 1928 Thompson would be the last small arm adopted by the U.S. Army that used a year designation in the official nomenclature. With the start of World War II, major contracts from several countries saved the manufacturer from bankruptcy. A notable variant of the Model 1928 with an aluminum receiver and tenite grip, buttstock, and forend, was made by Savage.

M1928A1

The M1928A1 variant entered mass production before the attack on Pearl Harbor, as on-hand stocks ran out. Changes included a horizontal forend, in place of the distinctive vertical foregrip ("pistol grip"), and a provision for a military sling. Despite new U.S. contracts for Lend-Lease shipments abroad to China, France, and the United Kingdom, as well as the needs of American armed forces, only two factories supplied M1928A1 Thompsons during the early years of World War II. Though it could use both the 50-round drum and the 20- or 30-round box magazines, active service favored the box magazines as the drums were more prone to jamming, rattled when moving, and were too heavy and bulky on long patrols. 562,511 were made. Wartime production variants had a fixed rear sight without the triangular sight guard wings and a non-ribbed barrel, both like those found on the M1/M1A1.

In addition, the Soviet Union received M1928A1s, included as standard equipment with the M3 light tanks obtained through Lend-Lease. These submachine guns were used to a limited extent by the Red Army.

Some M1928A1 Thompsons were used by the French before and during the Battle of France (1940) under the designation "Pistolet-mitrailleur 11 mm 43 (C.45) M. 28 A1."

An M1928A1 with an unusual inline stock, modified with elevated sights to increase accuracy, also was produced. Some Thompsons were built with a folding stock, similar to M1A1 Carbines used by Allied tank crews, drivers and paratroopers and submarine raiders.

Thompson Machine Carbine (TMC)
In 1940, Commonwealth troops in Egypt and North Africa were issued commercial model Lend-Lease Colt- and Savage-manufactured M1928s. Section leaders carried them instead of pistols or rifles. Many of the Colt models had French-language manuals packed with them as they had been abruptly diverted to England after the fall of France. They soon discovered that the weapon was prone to jamming due to sand. To fix this, the armorers removed the Blish Lock and replaced it with a hex bolt to keep the cocking handle and bolt together. The 20-round Type XX magazines had their peep-holes welded shut to keep sand out and the 50-round Type L drums were discontinued. Ammunition was scarce as it was either in small lots of Lend-Lease commercial ammo or obtained from adjacent American troops. It was later replaced by the 9mm Sten gun and Lanchester SMG.

Models used in the Pacific by Australian troops had their sling swivels remounted on the left side to allow it to be fired more easily while prone. A metal sling mount was fitted to the left side of the wooden buttstock. Ammunition was manufactured in Australia or obtained from adjacent American troops. It was later replaced by the Owen Machine Carbine.

M1

Responding to a request for further simplification, the M1 was standardized in April 1942 as the United States Submachine Gun, Cal. .45, M1. Rate of fire was reduced to approximately 600–700 rpm.

First issued in 1943, the M1 uses a simple blowback operation, with the charging handle moved to the side. The flip-up adjustable Lyman rear sight was replaced with a fixed L sight. Late M1s had triangular guard wings added to the rear L sight, which were standardized on the M1A1. The slots adjoining the magazine well allowing the use of a drum magazine were removed. A new magazine catch with the provision for retaining drum magazines removed, was produced, but most M1s and later M1A1s retained the original. The less expensive and more-easily manufactured "stick" magazines were used exclusively in the M1, with a new 30-round version joining the familiar 20-round type. The Cutts compensator, barrel cooling fins, and Blish lock were omitted while the buttstock was permanently affixed. Late production M1 stocks were fitted with reinforcing bolts and washers to prevent splitting of the stock where it attached to the receiver. The British had used improvised bolts or wood screws to reinforce M1928 stocks. The M1 reinforcing bolt and washer were carried over to the M1A1 and retrofitted to many of the M1928A1s in American and British service. Late M1s also had simplified fire control switches, also carried over to the M1A1. Certain M1s had issues with high rate of fire climbing up to ~800 RPM. The exact cause remains unknown, but was resolved with the transition to the M1A1.

M1A1

The M1A1, standardized in October 1942 as the United States Submachine Gun, Cal. .45, M1A1, could be produced in half the time of the M1928A1, and at a much lower cost. The main difference between the M1 and M1A1 was the bolt. The M1 bolt had a floating firing pin and hammer, and the bolt of the M1A1 had the firing pin machined to the face of the bolt, eliminating unnecessary parts. The reinforced stock and protective sight wings were standard. The 30-round magazine became more common. In 1939, Thompsons' cost the government $209 apiece. By the spring of 1942, cost-reduction design changes had brought this down to $70. In February 1944, the M1A1 reached a low price of $45 each, including accessories and spare parts, although the difference in price between the M1 and M1A1 was only $0.06. By the end of the war, the M1A1 was replaced with the even lower-cost M3 (commonly called the "Grease Gun").

Model 1927
The Model 1927 was the open bolt semi-automatic version of the M1921. It was made by modifying an existing Model 1921, including replacing certain parts. The "Thompson Submachine Gun" inscription was machined over to replace it with "Thompson Semi-Automatic Carbine", and the "Model 1921" inscription was also machined over to replace it with "Model 1927." Although the Model 1927 was semi-automatic only, it was easily converted to fully automatic by installing a full-auto Model 1921 fire control group (internal parts). Most Model 1927s owned by police have been converted back to full-auto. The original Model 1927 is classified as a machine gun under the National Firearms Act of 1934 (a) by being "readily convertible" by swapping parts and (b) by a 1982 BATF ruling making all open bolt semi-automatic firearms manufactured after the date of this ruling classified as machine guns.

Model 1927A1
The Model 1927A1 is a semi-automatic replica version of the Thompson, originally produced by Auto-Ordnance of West Hurley, New York for the civilian collector's market from 1974 to 1999. It has been produced since 1999 by Kahr Arms of Worcester, Massachusetts. It is officially known as the "Thompson Semi-Automatic Carbine, Model of 1927A1." The internal design is completely different to operate from the closed bolt and the carbine has a barrel length of 16.5 in (versus open bolt operation and barrel length of 10.5 in for the fully automatic versions). Under federal regulations, these changes make the Model 1927A1 legally a rifle and remove it from the federal registry requirements of the National Firearms Act. These modern versions should not be confused with the original semi-automatic M1927, which was a slightly modified M1921 produced by Colt for Auto-Ordnance.

The Model 1927A1 is the semi-automatic replica of the Thompson Models of 1921 and 1927. The "Thompson Commando" is a semi-automatic replica of the M1928A1. The Auto-Ordnance replica of the Thompson M1 and M1A1 is known as the TM1 and may be found marked "Thompson Semi-Automatic Carbine, Caliber .45M1".

Model 1927A3
The Model 1927A3 is a semi-automatic, .22 caliber version of the Thompson produced by Auto-Ordnance in West Hurley.

Model 1927A5

The Model 1927A5 is a semi-automatic, .45 ACP pistol version of the Thompson originally produced by Auto-Ordnance in West Hurley from the 1970s until the early 1990s or late 1980s. It featured an aluminum receiver to reduce weight. It has since been replaced with the Kahr Arms TA5 Pistol, which features a 10.5" barrel and steel receiver, unlike the 1927A5's 13" barrel and aluminum receiver.

As per the NFA (National Firearms Act of 1934), the "1927A5 .45 ACP Pistol" is simply classified as a "Firearm" (Any type of firearm with an overall length of 26" or greater, that does not have a buttstock) as it neither fits the definition of a Pistol or Rifle under federal law. This categorization also legally allows it to have 1921 or 1928 style foregrip equipped, unlike other "pistol style" Thompson variants, without an AOW (Any Other Weapon) Tax Stamp.

1928A1 LTD
The 1928A1 LTD is a civilian semi-automatic conversion by Luxembourg Defense Technology (LuxDefTec) in Luxembourg. They are made from original 1928A1 guns of various appearance (with or without Cutt's compensator, ribbed or smooth barrels, adjustable or fixed sights), that were imported Lend-Lease guns from Russia.

BSA Thompsons
In an attempt to expand interest and sales overseas, Auto-Ordnance entered into a partnership with and licensed the Birmingham Small Arms Company Limited (BSA) in England to produce a European model. These were produced in small quantities and have a different appearance than the classic style. The BSA 1926 was manufactured in 9mmP and 7.63mm Mauser and were tested by various governments, including France, in the mid-1920s. It was never adopted by any military force, and only a small number were produced.

Special purpose variant
A special purpose machine pistol variant of the Thompson is manufactured by RPB Industries of Atlanta.

Suppressed variant
A version with a threaded barrel for suppressors, side folding stock, and modified sights.

Canada
All variants and modified versions of Thompson submachine guns (even semiautomatic-only versions) are prohibited by name in Canada, as part of Prohibited Weapons Order No. 13 in 1995. Consequently, they cannot be legally imported or owned except under very limited circumstances. For example, to own one the person must be "grandfathered" and have owned one before the bill was passed against it. The submachine gun is not grandfathered like in the U.S., only the owner. The submachine gun can only be sold to other grandfathered individuals; this keeps prices extremely low as the number of permitted licensed individuals is very small and dwindling with time. Eventually, all prohibited guns will be out of circulation.

United States
The perceived popularity of submachine guns such as the Thompson with violent gangsters in the 1920s and 1930s was one of the main reasons given for passage of the National Firearms Act by the United States Congress in 1934. One of its provisions was that owners of fully automatic firearms were required to register them with the predecessor agency of the modern Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). The law also placed restrictions on the possession, transfer, and transport of the weapons.

There are several U.S.-made automatic and semi-automatic variants, copies, or replicas. The semi-automatic versions are less regulated by federal law.

United Kingdom
The possession of any fully automatic firearm is prohibited in the UK by the Firearms Act 1968; prohibited firearms can be possessed under Section 5 authority from the Home Office, but these are not issued for sporting purposes. A fully automatic firearm that has been converted to semi-automatic fire, such as the Model 1927, is prohibited by the Firearms Act 1988, as is any centre-fire purpose-made semi-automatic weapon, such as the Model 1927A1. It is now effectively impossible for a firearm of this type to be legally possessed by a member of the general public, except in certified deactivated condition or where specifically manufactured as a semi-automatic in caliber .22LR.

Germany
The gun, in a government-approved semiautomatic conversion or clone, can legally be owned by hunters and sport shooters. With a design date prior to 1942 it is not considered a "weapon of war." Only the fully automatic version is a prohibited weapon. As a long gun, it can be bought by hunters (even if it cannot be used to actually hunt for legal reasons). There are disciplines in government-approved sport shooting rulebooks that allow this type to be used, therefore the gun can be bought by sport shooters, too.

Users

 * 🇩🇿 Algeria Used by the National Liberation Front
 * 🇦🇷 Argentina: M1928 and M1 Thompson
 * 🇧🇪 Belgium: Used by the Belgian Army and Gendarmerie post-WW2, and it remained in service with the Gendarmerie until 1971.
 * 🇧🇴 Bolivia: M1921 used during the Chaco War. M1A1 used by police
 * 🇧🇷 Brazil: Adopted by the Pernambuco military police and used against cult members during the 1938 Pau de Colher massacre. 8 Thompsons were bought for the Federal District's special police; Each of the four shock detachments was armed with two Thompsons, two Suomi KP31s, and two Bergmann submachineguns The M1 was Used by the Brazilian forces from WWII until the mid-1980s.
 * British India: Widely used by the Indian Army in the Malayan Campaign, in the European theatre and Burma Campaigns
 * 🇨🇦 Canada
 * 🇨🇺 Cuba
 * People's Republic of China: Unlicensed copies
 * Republic of China
 * 🇭🇷 Croatia
 * 🇩🇴 Dominican Republic
 * 🇪🇬 Egypt: Simplified copies of the Thompson were manufactured under license after WW2, with barrels and magazines imported from the United States. Those copies used 20 round stick magazines and lacked a flash hider.
 * 🇪🇹 Ethiopia: M1928A1 and M1 issued to Ethiopian forces during the Korean War
 * 🇫🇷 France: The M1928A1 was used as the Pistolet-mitrailleur 11 mm 43 (C.45) M. 28 A1. The M1A1 was also used.
 * 🇩🇪 Germany: US supplied Thompsons were used by the Bundeswehr before the adoption of the G3
 * 🇬🇷 Greece: Used by Greek armed forces, resistance fighters, Gendarmerie and police units during World War II and immediately postwar period.
 * 🇬🇹 Guatemala: M1A1 used Policía Nacional Civil up to 2014
 * 🇭🇹 Haiti
 * 🇭🇳 Honduras
 * 🇮🇶 Iraq: Iraqi insurgents
 * Imperial State of Iran: Used by the Imperial Iranian Guard Units, first saw action during the Iran crisis of 1946.
 * 🇮🇳 India
 * 🇮🇩 Indonesia
 * 🇮🇱 Israel:
 * 🇮🇹 Italy: Captured examples pressed into use by the Italian Army prior to September 8, 1943. Also supplied to partisans and to the Italian Co-belligerent Army. After the war, it was mostly issued to Italian Air Force troopers and the Carabinieri.
 * 🇯🇵 Japan: Were used in some quantities by the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force
 * 🇯🇴 Jordan
 * Kingdom of Laos: Limited received by U.S government and used during the First Indochina War and Vietnam War.
 * 🇱🇺 Luxembourg: M1A1 in service 1952–1967, replaced by Uzi.
 * 🇲🇾 Malaysia: M1928
 * 🇲🇽 Mexico
 * The Netherlands: In early World War II, at least 3,680 Thompsons acquired through Lend-Lease
 * 🇳🇿 New Zealand: M1928, M1928A1 M1 and M1A1
 * 🇳🇮 Nicaragua: The Nicaraguan National Guard received M1928A1s and some were captured by Sandino's rebels.
 * 🇰🇵 North Korea: Chinese-made Thompsons used by the Korean People's Army in the Korean War.
 * North Vietnam: Unlicensed copies. Used by Viet Minh in the First Indochina War.
 * 🇵🇦: M1928A1 Formerly used by the Panamanian National Guard, and used by Dignity Battalion militia of the defunct Panama Defense Forces.
 * 🇵🇱 Poland:M1921 obtained for trial purposes, possibly issued to police forces and the presidential guard. Used by the Polish Armed Forces in the West during WWII and by resistance fighters during the Warsaw Uprising (from supply drops)
 * 🇵🇹 Portugal: Small number bought for police use, designated m/1928
 * 🇷🇺 Russia: Wagner Group captured M1 and M1928A1 submachineguns from Ukrainian stocks
 * 🇸🇴 Somalia
 * South Vietnam
 * Soviet Union:In 1924 a large number of M1921s was purchased through Mexico and issued to NKVD and border guards. 137,729 were received through Lend-Lease in WW2
 * Spanish Republic: M1928 adopted by Mossos d'Esquadra in the 1930s and later used during the Spanish Civil War. A number of M1928s were brought from the United States by the Lincoln Battalion.
 * 🇸🇪 Sweden: In January 25, 1940, The Royal Swedish Army ordered 500 M1928 Submachine Guns from AB UNO Lindholm & Co. Each gun was supplied with four 20 round box magazines and one 50 round drum magazine. According to Major Carl-Olof Bjorsell the Swedish Thompson’s were sold to Israel during 1950s.
 * 🇹🇷 Turkey: Received US surplus guns after WW2
 * 🇺🇦 Ukraine: As of 2011 between 10.000 to 20.000 guns were stored in Ministry of Defense warehouse.
 * 🇬🇧 United Kingdom. First issued to the GHQ Liaison Unit ('Phantom') in February 1940, in advance of main War Office contracts. Used by the Home Guard (United Kingdom)
 * 🇺🇸 United States: Employed by the United States Marine Corps and by the United States Army 1938, including paratroops in World War II.
 * 🇺🇾 Uruguay: M1928A1 and M1A1 formerly used by armed forces
 * Vietnam Used by Viet Cong during Vietnam War.
 * 🇻🇪 Venezuela
 * Yugoslavia

Non-state groups

 * The Provisional IRA and Official IRA used the 1921 variant, mainly during the early 1960s to 1970s.
 * The Angry Brigade
 * Azerbaijan People's Government
 * Afghan Mujahideen
 * Brigade 2506
 * Front de Libération de la Côte des Somalis
 * Spanish Maquis
 * The Thompson was supllied to Malayan Communist Party insurgents during WW2, and used during the Malayan Emergency
 * The Communist Party of Estonia received four Thompsons from the Soviet Union before the failed 1924 coup
 * The Turkish Resistance Organization manufactured its own copies with parts supplied by Turkey

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Talk:Connecticut

Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2022
Please review the largest towns table. It has several errors, listing Stamford as being in New Haven County and New Haven as being in Fairfield Country. These have been reversed, and I suggest that they be fixed. Guitarandguts (talk) 21:59, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

 * ✅  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  07:22, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

September 2022
Strange. I looked for it and couldn't find it. It's there now. Invasive Spices (talk) 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Etymology and symbols
Nathan Hale is the official state hero. Can't add it to the template, though. Gott (talk) 04:28, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

"Kangzhou" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kangzhou&redirect=no Kangzhou] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at until a consensus is reached. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:26, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Area of Connecticut
Hi there! The article states the area of Connecticut with 5,018 sq mi (13,023 km²). The source for that is the Official State Website. However, 5,018 sq mi are in fact 12,996.56 km². 13,023 km² would be more like 5,028 sq mi. It appears the author of the state website made a typo, either with the numbers or with the calculator. What is the correct number now? Best regards, --R.Schuster (talk) 09:57, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Additional info: census.gov says 5,543 sq mi. --R.Schuster (talk) 10:08, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Florida

Lebron James Best player in the NBA
Lebron James has the most points in the NBA. He has 4 rings and he's just him so admit it he's the best NBA player ever. 47.189.167.159 (talk) 03:22, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Major college sports
UCF is now a major college sports school, being a member of the Big 12 as of 2023 97.103.156.9 (talk) 23:07, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

New York south?
New York-south That's mostly opinion to describe Florida (especially South Florida)? or Central Florida? (Not North Florida because of the Southern hospitality (meaning friendly-ness and nice, not everyone is not) Winnebaggo (talk) 12:59, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

 * Well, you created the redirect, so I have to ask how common is that phrase used in referring to Florida. Item number 8 under Redirect says, If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. I get what the phrase is inferring, but I grew up in Miami and lived in Florida for 80 years, and I don't recall seeing or hearing that phrase used with that meaning. Donald Albury 16:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I think I understand what Winnebaggo's word salad says; it's pretty incoherent. I see that a lot of this editor's edits are reverted—there's a reason for that, and this useless "New York South" redirect should join them. I've lived in Florida since 1965, and I have heard the expression "North Florida is the South, and South Florida is the North", or words to that effect, but I always thought, "huh, you've never driven on the highways in Jacksonville." ;-) I've never heard anyone call South Florida "New York South", though. Carlstak (talk) 17:25, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Speaking of Jacksonville, I have heard the one about Jacksonville being the largest city in southern Georgia, although that is 40 or 50 years old. Donald Albury 20:11, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Haha. People around the area still say that—it's true in many ways. Michael Ray Fitzgerald, in his quite literate book Jacksonville and the Roots of Southern Rock, says "In fact, some observers, culturally speaking, consider Jacksonville not only part of south Georgia but the virtual capital of south Georgia... North Florida is not like the rest of the state: record producer Tom Dowd said, "Florida is the only place in the world where you have to go north to get the South." Carlstak (talk) 22:25, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * , I did a quick search on Google, and the only hit on "New York south" was a map of NYC. It looks to me like that redirect is something that you invented. Unless you can convince me that the term has actually been used, I will nominate the redirect for deletion. Donald Albury 20:13, 11 April 2024 (UTC) Resave to trigger corrected ping. - Donald Albury 20:16, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

"New York South" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Semi-protected edit request
In the intro, where it mentions Florida bordering Cuba, please mention that this is a maritime border. In the Geography section where it mentions that “Florida is west of the Bahamas and 90 miles (140 km) north of Cuba”, please adjust the latter part to “and its southernmost part is 90 miles (140 km) north of Cuba”. Florida is big and thus this needs to be specified. 108.147.171.11 (talk) 15:35, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

❌ See my suggestion below. - Donald Albury 21:30, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Alternative suggestion for lead
As an alternative to the requested edit above, I suggest: "Florida is separated from Cuba to the south and the Bahamas to the east by the Straits of Florida. The narrowest part of the Straits between Florida (at Key West) and Cuba is 93 miles wide, and the narrowest part of the Straits between Florida (at Miami) and the Bahamas (at Bimini) is 50 miles wide." Discuss. - Donald Albury 21:30, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

 * This is even better. 2600:100C:A211:7F18:ECAA:B268:C695:38E6 (talk) 02:24, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

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Erathipa

In Aboriginal mythology, Erathipa is a boulder that has the shape of a pregnant woman; contained within Erathipa are the souls of dead children which can inhabit the bodies of fertile young women. The fertility stone has an opening on one side.

The tribes of central Australia have... a huge rock known as Erathipa, which has an opening in one side from which the souls of the children imprisoned in it watch for a woman to pass by so that they may be reborn in her. When women who do not want children go near the rock, they pretend to be old, and walk as if leaning on a stick, crying; "Don't come to me, I am an old woman!" The idea implicit in all these rites, is that certain stones have the power to make sterile women fruitful, either because of the spirits of the ancestors that dwell in them, or because of their shape (the pregnant woman, "woman stone"), or because of their origin ("autogenesis").

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Talk:Georgia (U.S. state)

"State of Georgia" listed at Redirects for discussion
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"City (Georgia)" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Yet another RM request
Someone is again requesting that Georgia (Country) be moved to Georgia. Given that it would impact this page, I think it's worth mentioning here. See the discussion here. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  04:45, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:State of Georgia (disambiguation) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 03:50, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Is U.S. really necessary?
Yes, there’s two Georgias. However, the other Georgia is a country, not a state. A state is not a country, meaning there’s only one thing that could be logically referred to as a state. Unless there’s another country with a state system and a Georgia, then it’s an unnecessary disambiguation. If there is, I congratulate Georgia on her successful mitosis. However, in case some people say this is too ambiguous, in the interest of maximum clarity so nobody gets confused, I think the name “Georgia, the Fourth Constitutional State of the United States of America (not the country)” would suffice as an alternative. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk)  15:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

 * The term "state" also often refers to a country, i.e. state (polity) and sovereign state. Thus, "Georgia (state)" is still ambiguous. Loytra (talk) 10:13, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Hawaii

Untitled
For style guide information, see Manual of Style/Hawaii-related articles.

Missing part of the History section
The following is a quote from the page "Belgian Colonial Empire":

''During the 1840s and 50s, King Leopold I tentatively supported several proposals to acquire territories overseas. In 1843, he signed a contract with Ladd & Co. to colonize the Kingdom of Hawaii, but the deal fell apart when Ladd & Co. ran into financial difficulties.'' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_colonial_empire#Background_in_the_early_19th_century)

I'm not sure if this is something that should be part of the history section (to indicate that - shortly after the signing of the constitution and during the time of conflicts between the monarchy and the american missionaries - the monarchy was in talks with belgium (mostly neutral at the time but with close ties to the UK, Germany, Russia, and France) to become part of its domain. While the quoted bit above is documented and sourced in the article I copied it from, I seem to recall reading a few more in detail sources indicating that Hawaii was being purchased with the Belgian monarchy as a silent partner and intended to not become a Belgian colony but a province with the region becoming a principality or somehting of the sort but I can't recall where I read it so the entire story may need more research before it gets added onto the page. 2A02:A03F:8A27:1600:4EB:5F11:3EAF:6320 (talk) 16:29, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

 * I feel that we will need to see the reliable sources that talk about this and see if they show the effects of that have enough due weight and impact on the history of Hawaii. KittyHawkFlyer (talk) 22:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Leopold is briefly mentioned at Hawaiian Kingdom, and more can be added to History of Hawaii. Viriditas (talk) 22:55, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2024
Etymology The definition of the Hawaii name may be derived from oral transmission of first nation's language as it's used in Odjibwe language with meaning "In the middle"

From Odjibwe language "Nawaii, in the middle ; pron. na-wa-i-i."

Source : A Grammar and Dictionary of the Otchipwe Language", Beauchemin & Valois Publisher, Montreal, 1879.

Reference: https://www.canadiana.ca/view/oocihm.60172/1 p. 5 Montgrand (talk) 21:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 21:18, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Strongly opposed to this original research. There are many words that can be found in multiple languages yet have different etymologies. The Hawaiians, a Polynesian culture, have indicated that Hawaiʻi is named after Hawaiʻiloa, the mythical fisherman who was the legendary discover of the islands. Let's trust the people indigenous to the area & not a word that comes from a different region & ethnicity that is almost certainly a coincidence. Peaceray (talk) 00:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The relevant section is on p. 274. It says nothing about Hawaii. Viriditas (talk) 00:38, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Citizenship
The concept of human right 196.191.189.140 (talk) 20:09, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

 * ❌ It is unclear what you wish to have done. Peaceray (talk) 20:48, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Illinois

State of Illinois?
Shouldn't the official name of Illinois be the "State of Illinois"?

Chicago Bandits listed as active sports team
The NPF league folded in 2021, the teams page reflects this information correctly. This should be moved to former sports teams. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Bandits GuitarCigarMan (talk) 16:13, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 November 2023
Under "Demographics", there should be information regarding the fact that the state population of Illinois was under-counted by approximately 250,000 people, when updated information was released by the Census Bureau two years later in 2022:

https://greatcities.uic.edu/2022/05/25/illinois-census-data-shows-state-undercounted-by-nearly-2-gaining-250k-residents-bureau-admits/

https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/05/2020-census-undercount-overcount-rates-by-state.html

Recommend editing the "Demographics" section to include information/disclaimer acknowledging the census undercounting by 1.97%, which would clearly indicate that the state population is actually above the 13 million threshold. 2443t5erer4 (talk) 00:44, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Semi-protection-unlocked.svg Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Thriftycat Talk • Contribs 03:27, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Population
The US Census Bureau has officially stated Illinois did not lose population at the 2020 census. The state's population grew by approximately 250,000 people, putting Illinois at over 13 million people for the first time in it's history. This means Illinois has never lost population at any ten-year census count. The question remains, why is Wikipedia using the incorrect data originally released by the Census Bureau for the state's population, but not using the corrected/revised data released by the Census Bureau several weeks later, when the Census Bureau admitted the original data was not accurate? If this were about New York City and the Census Bureau came back and stated the population went up and not down, I'm sure you guys would be quick to adjust that in its article. Other regions don't get the same consideration? Is Wikipedia playing favoritism? Wikipedia is an internet encyclopedia, it should strive to have the correct information in its articles. 2600:8801:131C:6F00:845A:9DF6:D4D6:EE88 (talk) 16:56, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

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Vector (band)

Vector was an American rock band formed in Sacramento, California, in the early 1980s by Jimmy Abegg, Steve Griffith and Charlie Peacock. The band had several drummers over the years, including Aaron Smith and Bruce Spencer, both of whom also played drums for the 77s.

Although the lyrics of Vector's music did not always contain the overt lyrics of contemporary Christian music with which the band was sometimes associated, Vector's albums were released under Christian labels, and were an example of Christian rock.

After a lengthy hiatus, Vector released a new album, Vital, in August 2021.

Albums

 * Mannequin Virtue (1983)
 * Please Stand By (1985)
 * Simple Experience (1989)
 * Temptation (1995)
 * Vital (2021)

Compilations

 * Mannequin Virtue / Please Stand By (album) (1990) This Gaga Records CD contains Vector's first two albums: Mannequin Virtue and Please Stand By.
 * Time Flies (album) (1995) This Liquid Disc Records two-disc box set contains all of Vector's first three albums: Mannequin Virtue, Please Stand By and Simple Experience, with five previously unavailable bonus tracks

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Talk:Iowa

How to edit
Wondering how to edit this State Entry? The WikiProject U.S. States standards might help.

Agriculture section: organic farming
Although I'm a great supporter of organic farming, I can't see any justification for the first para. of this section being dominated by a discussion of organic farming in the state, especially as it's less than 1% of farms there that are organic. Boscaswell  talk  22:20, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Notification: Housing in Iowa
A request has been submitted to WikiProject Iowa for a new article to be created on the topic of Housing in Iowa. Please join the discussion or consider contributing to the new article. Best regards, -- M2545 (talk) 16:41, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

National anthem
I dont want to remove it in case I am wrong but I would be surprise if a German song about a Christmas tree really is Iowa national anthem. Remij00 (talk) 00:35, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Pork
Interestingly, the entire page does not contain the word pork. The section of agriculture is greenwashed, stressing sustainable farming. I will flag it. Wuerzele (talk) 20:41, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Kansas

Largest Metro Area
Wichita is the largest metro area in Kansas? Absolutley not. Wichita is not even a major city. It's metro population is UNDER 1 million people. In Kansas alone it only has around 600 thousand. Kansas City is a major city and metro area with population exceeding 2 million people. Even the Kansas suburbs of Kansas City, including Johnson County (with 500 thousand), Wyandotte (with 150K), and Leavenworth (50k) are larger than the entire Wichita MSA. I have changed the infobox accordingly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.8.212.191 (talk) 10:06, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, that's all fine and dandy, except that the KC metro area isn't based in Kansas...If you are looking for the biggest one based in Kansas, it is the Wichita metro. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 14:34, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Disagree, regardless of largest city in the particular area, a "metro area" is simply defined as "a contiguous area of relatively high population density". By that definition, the KCK/JoCo area can be considered a metro area, and one that is larger than the Wichita metro. The July 2007 census estimate put the Wichita metro at 596K, while the latest estimates put Johnson and Wyandotte counties alone at 688k. I've changed it to reflect Kansas City, KS metro area. Wichita is certainly the largest city in Kansas, but by definition, is not the largest metro. Ryan2845 (talk) 17:39, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Adding my voice: I think KC Metro should count, even if it doesn't qualify as largest city.  The same issue arises with Maryland and Virginia, where the D.C. centered Metro area is the largest.  In Maryland, it is referred to as the Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area (the population center is closer to D.C., but the suburbs stretch between them), and in Virginia simply as Northern Virginia.  In the latter case, it isn't properly centered around any particularly large city in Virginia (there are cities within it, but they aren't the center; NoVA is an adjunct of D.C.). If there is some name for the KC Metro area that distinguishes it from Kansas City, feel free to use it, but if it has the largest population, it doesn't matter if it is centered around an out of state city. -ShadowRangerRIT (talk) 17:54, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I could go with that, just so long as it is differentiated from being Kansas City, MO (although technically the same metro area)...In other words, how it is now is fine by me. Good thinking putting Kansas City, Kansas metro area. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 20:27, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I made an edit to make it even more specific. This does three things I think: 1) Specifies that it includes more than just Kansas City, Kansas. 2) Doesn't give the impression that KCK is the central city 3) Makes it clear that the metro area straddles the state line. I wish there was a way to also include Wichita, but I couldn't figure out a way. Grey Wanderer (talk) 20:34, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Is it possible to tinker with the infobox to where it has "largest metro area" and "largest metro area centered in state" or something similar?? Ks0stm (T•C•G) 20:37, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thats what I was thinking, but I can't figure it out. We could always propose a change at the city Infobox page.  Grey Wanderer (talk) 20:48, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi I was wondering why you removed the Kansas City MO-KS urban area from the page. As you can see in these references here It is the largest metropolitan area in Kansas. Kansas City MO-KS is the official MSA name because it is in both states. I also was looking at pages like Florida and New Jersey and as you can see they also have their largest metro areas on their pages. I’m curious as to why it’s hidden away in the tiny info box instead of being in the lead as it is the most important place in Kansas.

"flatter than a pancake"
The Topography section includes the statements
 * It is a popular belief that Kansas is the flattest state in the nation, reinforced by a well known 2003 study stating that Kansas was indeed "flatter than a pancake." [ref]Study finds Kansas Flatter Than Pancake[/ref] This has since been debunked, with most scientists ranking Kansas somewhere between 20th and 30th flattest state, depending on measurement method.[ref]Fracas over Kansas pancake flap[/ref]

The study may have been well known and even scientific, but it was not a serious scientific study. The first cited article says of the study:
 * The results, published in the tongue-in-cheek Annals of Improbable Research, have created a flapjack flap among geologists and others in Kansas.

 * "My guess is you could put Colorado in there, the way they're calculating it, and it would be flatter than a pancake," said Lee Allison, director of the Kansas Geological Survey. "I think this is part of a vast breakfast food conspiracy to denigrate Kansas. It's a cheap shot."

Sheesh, the Annals of Improbable Research. Should it even be mentioned? Anyhow, I have added a link to the "study" itself on AIR's website, so that anyone bothering to even look at the URL will see that it is indeed "improbable". --Thnidu (talk) 03:23, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I think it's worth including, simply for the sake of debunking or showing it to be a joke. As a Kansan, i've numerous times had someone from out of state say something to me along the lines of: "Didn't some study prove Kansas was flatter than a pancake?" Most people seem to believe it was a genuine study, not a joke. Might help to change "well known 2003 study" to something like "well known 2003 tongue-in-cheek study" or something like that. Ryan2845 (talk) 03:50, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Done. Thnidu (talk) 00:17, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Kansonians
I have never never heard people from Kansas referred to as Kansonians. It's usually (or always) Kansans. Can't figure out how to change it myself, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramsesemerson (talk • contribs) 17:10, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Largest cities chart
In the section entitled "Important cities and towns" I have changed the chart from cities with a population of 10,000 (37 cities) to cities with 15,000 (25 cities). I thought the chart with 37 cities took up undue space on the page, and I don't believe the section loses much by eliminating those towns with populations between 10,000 and 14,999. It's a fairly arbitrary cut-off in either case, but one argument for adopting 15,000 as a meaningful number is that this is the population statutorily required to become a "city of the first class" in Kansas. Comments on this change are welcome. -Kgwo1972 (talk) 21:40, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, I updated the table data recently and wasn't sure why 10k was the cutoff. At least 15k has the "first class" city reasoning behind it. There's a lot of cities in kansas hovering around the 10k range, but not many nearing 15k, so hopefully it will keep the table from needing extensive updating too. Ryan2845 (talk) 22:25, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

"Google, Kansas"
Please refrain from changing the capital city from Topeka to Google. This is just a publicity stunt by the mayor to get Google to notice the city. Changing the official name of a city--especially one as established as Topeka--takes more than just a simple "proclamation". If you change the name to Google, it WILL be reverted. Bhall87Four Scoreand Seven 04:22, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

 * I added an inline note about it; probably won't keep all of it out but should help a bit. Go ahead and remove it in after a month if I haven't done it already. Alexius  Horatius  04:36, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

It is only for one day and EXCLUSIVELY as a April Fool joke.--IViking (talk) 16:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Please add the correct reference points on who thought and suggested the Google Kansas Name, It's listed above, it was Ryan Gigous that thought of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.201.162.178 (talk) 17:06, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

 * So? This whole publicity stunt is over and done (has been over and done since April 2nd) and probably 95-98% of people have forgotten it even happened.  Also, if included in an article it would be better placed in the Topeka, Kansas article, not in the Kansas article.  Bhall87Four Scoreand Seven 17:28, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Temperatures
The temperatures should be in Celsius!! 153.1.30.116 (talk) 21:08, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

 * As the US uses the Imperial system of measurement, no. Falcon8765 (talk) 21:26, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * There are 7.5 billion people, most of which use SI units, to which the 300 million inhabitants of the USA have also officially adhered to. Wikipedia is not a localised but an international tool. Therefore only SI units should be used, i.e. °C or °K for temperatures. If it is necessary for the USA, local units can be added. Have also a look at the Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers.
 * As for climate there should at least be two indicators: mean monthly temperature and monthly rainfall. Mean montly maxima and minima is an addition. A standard climate diagram showing the two key indicators mean monthly temperature and monthly rainfall should be added. I can do that, if we agree an units and indicators. Mregelsberger (talk) 13:04, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Temparatures are still in °F almost 10 years later! The reasons why this is wrong are clear and have been stated. No one done the work though? I might come back later to take care of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.145.174.93 (talk) 14:22, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

History
Is there a reason that Kansas doesn't have any history for the last 100 years? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.244.56 (talk) 01:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * What kind of history are you talking about? California's history stops in the 1930s, New York's history stops in the early 20th Century.  After establishing the state and noting its significance in the formation of our nation, the rest of the history tends to fall toward the individual cities and any type of political or demographic history would be included in those sections. Bhall87Four Scoreand Seven 01:56, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Largest Employers
What is the criteria? I can understand leaving companies like Wal-Mart off however other companies such as National Beef(Smithfield Foods) although it's companies headquarters is in Virginia has at least 5,000 employees in Kansas(most notably their Dodge City and Liberal Plants). Cargil operates an meat processor in Dodge City with 2700+ employees and in Garden City Tyson Foods operates a 3,000+ employee plant. Is the separation based on whether or not they are headquartered in the state? Source Link: —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.151.39.31 (talk) 17:35, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The table simply reflects the data put out by the Kansas Chamber of Commerce in the data book that is linked in the table. I assume it is companies headquartered or with major offices in Kansas Ryan2845 (talk) 06:49, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Transportation
This section is incomplete. It should discuss the railroads with links to the AT&SF and other relevant articles. 4.249.63.20 (talk) 12:36, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

History and Geography sections
Why is the geography section before the history section? Shouldn't it be the other way around? Albacore (talk) 01:50, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree, but someone else will have to fix it. I'm currently confined to editing from an iPod; I can't edit if the part to be changed is below the length of the edit window. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 05:57, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

 * Done. Grey Wanderer (talk) 09:45, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

License plate
There is a newer license plate design now.Unclemikejb (talk) 03:16, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Notable residents
Probably better just to link main to List of people from Kansas rather than have that very long list of people from Kansas. Same goes for the "Landmarks" section. Major change, thought I should bring it up here first. Albacore (talk) 22:55, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Agree. Alexius  Horatius  00:05, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Sounds good. Grey Wanderer (talk) 00:09, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Done, thanks. Albacore (talk) 14:40, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Pictures.
The few pictures on this article enforce the stereotype that the Kansas countryside is boring and flat. I request a couple more pictures c: --Τασουλα (Shalom!) (talk) 22:54, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Presidential election losers
"In 1996, when Kansas Republican Senator Bob Dole failed in his bid to become President on the party's national ticket, the state became the second in the nation (following Minnesota and preceding Arizona by identical twelve-year intervals) to produce two losing major-party presidential candidates, and the first in which the said candidates ran on the GOP ticket (following Alfred Landon's loss to FDR in 1936)."

I'm not sure what this editor is trying to say, but as it appears, it is false. Several states have produced multiple election losers for major parties. I'm going to remove it from the article but keep it on the talk page in case he or she wants to revise it. Gtbob12 (talk) 18:12, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Cimmaron National Grasslands?
Just reading through the wiki for my home state and I noticed that there was no mention of the Cimmaron National Grasslands under parks and historic sites. Not much of a park in the traditional sense, but still might deserve a mention. Also no mention of the "Dust Bowl" days of Southwest KS. Lots of interesting history from that area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.103.80.122 (talk) 23:47, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The list of parks and historic sites are areas currently under the protection of the National Park Service which the Cimarron National Grassland is not. As for the Dust Bowl, it is covered a little bit in the History of Kansas article but could be expanded with info from the Dust Bowl article but even that focuses more on Oklahoma and Texas since those places were hit a lot harder. If someone from the WikiProject Kansas team had some info to add about the Dust Bowl/Great Depression in Kansas, it would definitely be welcome. Bhall87Four Scoreand Seven 01:12, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Circumcision Statistics
http://mgmbill.org/statistics.htm

Kansas 75% circumcision rate (2012) Still Medicaid funded — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.46.105.20 (talk) 15:54, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * What is the purpose of this? Are you asking for it to be in the article? It seems like just an arbitrary stat, not really significant for the article. Scarlettail (talk) 16:34, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

New redirect
I just created a redirect from Brownbackistan to here. This article should discuss the use of the term in popular culture and how the image of Kansas in popular culture is often compared to an oppressive, third-world religious dictatorship. Viriditas (talk) 10:34, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Some proposed changes
Information to be added or removed: I propose adding the below text in quotes to the education section of the page:

"Kansas ranked 24th in the nation for educational performance, according to Education Week’s Quality Counts 2018 report. It earned an overall score of 74.6 out of 100 points and a grade of C. By comparison, the nation received a score of 75.2 or a C.

Kansas posted a B-minus in the Chance-for-Success category, ranking 17th on factors that contribute to a person’s success both within and outside the K-12 education system. Kansas received a mark of C and finished 25th for School Finance. It ranked 33rd with a grade of D-plus on the K-12 Achievement Index."

Explanation of issue: I believe this text would enhance the page, adding information on the quality of the state's K-12 education which is not currently available on the page. I'm asking your consideration because I work for Education Week. I apologize if I've misformatted this or left out information you need to make a decision - I'm rather new at this.

References supporting change: this is the source I'd cite: Csmithepe (talk) 17:55, 11 February 2019 (UTC)Csmithepe

Reply 11-FEB-2019
Regards,  Spintendo   21:07, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Please provide a source unconnected to Education Week for this claim.

Settled by Americans?
"Kansas was first settled by Americans in 1827"--lead, para 2. This might come as a surprise to the Kansa Natives, who were non-nomadic and quite settled by 1827. Sure, we all know what is meant, but an encyclopedia should be held to a higher standard of accuracy. "European Americans", perhaps, although I'm not quite comfortable with that either. And "in" 1827? All in one year! I think the whole sentence needs recasting--what is actualy meant? I don't have a good answer; perhaps a real historian can clarify. --D Anthony Patriarche (talk) 18:52, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Notification: Housing in Kansas
A request has been submitted to WikiProject Kansas for a new article to be created on the topic of Housing in Kansas. Please join the discussion or consider contributing to the new article. Best regards, -- M2545 (talk) 16:43, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

State of Kansas?
Shouldn't the official name of Kansas be the "State of Kansas"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.197.134.44 (talk) 18:13, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Rank as per population
There is discrepancy between rank ( as per population ) mention in Lead section & in the Infobox. In Lead it is mentioned as 34th & in  Infobox it is 35th.Saankav (talk) 11:18, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Louisiana

Untitled
Wondering how to edit this State Entry? The WikiProject U.S. states standards might help.

Broken Link to Treaty of Fontainebleau
I noticed the following error. Now, it's fairly easy to fix the link to Treaty of Fontainebleau (1762). But, I wasn't sure the reason why 1763 is displayed in visible text (using a pipe), when 1762 is in the title of the target.
 *  The rest of Louisiana became a colony of Spain after the Seven Years' War by the Treaty of Fontainebleau of 1763.

Nonsensical sentence
Last sentence in the lead: "It also has had the highest in the United States since at least the 1990s." This makes no sense: the highest what? (Apparently, at some point in the past it used to read "It also has had the highest homicide rate in the United States since at least the 1990s" but this was removed I guess in this complex edit. -- 2001:16B8:1408:9600:1462:8C94:82E1:5858 (talk) 18:09, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I’, and my family
@ 216.10.238.30 (talk) 00:51, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Creole Bias
As a person living in Louisiana myself this is very maddening Creole is a small subgroup of the major Cajun group also Acadian's are not our ancestors we are Acadian this it's stupid to separate us also Cajuns are considered a unique ethnicity as decided in "Roach v. Dresser Ind. Valve & Instrument Division, 494 F. Supp. 215 (W.D. La. 1980)" Cajuns have a population of 1.2 million as decided by the 2010 census Louisiana has a total population of 4.624 million this article is actively spreading misinformation about a MASSIVE 25% of the population in Louisiana. The difference between Cajuns and Creoles is the simple fact that one is black and one is white. Creole is also a wide generalization not even given by them onto themselves Creole was originally used in the 16th century to refer to all people born outside of Spain/Portugal inside of the Spanish or Portuguese empire who was "of African ,Spanish ,or Portuguese descent. This means that almost everyone in South America all the way up to Mexico can (and in some cases is see) considered Creole. In this African Americans CAN be considered Creole but due to "gang culture" most African Americans consider themselves and I quote "black" this is how we should refer to them. Most of the time unless from rare case of descending from that of their former master "Creoles" do not have any Cajun blood at all so I formerly said they are a subgroup well let me say why. "Creoles" or as they like to be called (mostly) blacks like to eat the same as Cajuns with the twist that they add tomato paste to everything (I mean everything) that is their only connection to Cajuns besides Jazz and Zydeco. Samestillnotinsane (talk) 02:54, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

 * Sorry for the several grammatical errors aswell I made this while on my laptop so it's kinda hard to type. Samestillnotinsane (talk) 02:57, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Also I forgot to specify that in "Roach v. Dresser Ind. Valve & Instrument Division, 494 F. Supp. 215 (W.D. La. 1980)" Acadian and Cajun were legally classified as the same ethnicity. Samestillnotinsane (talk) 03:01, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Minnesota

Semi-protected edit request on 22 December 2023
I was wondering if you were ever going to change the flag and seal as they have both been changed due to racism described in the two photos DaDinoDude30 (talk) 21:06, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

 * The flag/seal have not been officially changed yet; April 1, 2024 is expected date. Wracking  talk! 21:56, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Change flag
Change the flag to the new one. JamesonPi (talk) 21:41, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: The flag has not been officially changed yet. Wracking  talk! 21:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * How about now 2600:1014:B083:B84D:0:16:6AFE:2501 (talk) 13:12, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

flag edit request on 5 January 2024
the minnesotas flag changed resently heres a link for the new flag https://static01.nyt.com/images/2023/12/19/multimedia/19xp-flag/19xp-flag-superJumbo.jpg Noamargulies (talk) 14:55, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Not done: The flag change has not become official. It will not be changed in the article until it is officially adopted. --Sable232 (talk) 22:03, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2024
i want to change the flag cause there is a new flag now 27.3.1.131 (talk) 15:05, 26 January 2024 (UTC) — Urro[ talk ] [ edits ] 16:05, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Shadow311 (talk) 15:59, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The new Minnesota state flag is not set to come into effect until 11 May 2024. Until then, the infobox should remain the same. (AP News)

Minnesota image for flag change
Can I switch from the current one to the 2023 redisign (December 19, 2023-present)or Flag of Minnesota (2023 redisign.svg?

File:Flag of Minnesota (2023 redisign).svg File:Flag of Minnesota.svg Minnesota if you’re looking admin/bueracrat 2600:4040:54BA:2C00:C531:634D:EFFF:8686 (talk) 16:08, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The new flag has not been officially adopted. The existing flag will remain in the article until the state formally changes it. --Sable232 (talk) 17:08, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Effective date of new flag change
May 11, 2024 is the effective date.

Previous discussion mentions two dates for the new flag change, both based upon press articles. This is probably based upon Wikipedia's preference for interpretation of original materials. However, to resolve the conflicting dates, I point out that the Flag of Minnesota article links to the statute which states the official effective date. SEWilco (talk) 18:17, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

"Scalable" map hard to read, doesn't zoom in
The map has a lot of odd character spacing in the place names, making some of them hard to read; for example, St Croix River looks more like S. Crd xRiver. Also, hovering over the map turns the cursor into a + symbol, which normally means you can click to zoom in, but clicking zooms the image out instead. 2601:642:C201:210:D473:4D77:27B5:BE8E (talk) 01:57, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Mississippi

Lead
This was archived but the problems with the lead haven't been addressed. Nemov (talk) 18:37, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

title: Talk:Mississippi