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Treaty of Lunéville

The Treaty of Lunéville (or Peace of Lunéville) was signed in the Treaty House of Lunéville on 9 February 1801. The signatory parties were the French Republic and Emperor Francis II, who signed on his own behalf as ruler of the hereditary domains of the House of Austria and on behalf of the Holy Roman Empire. The signatories were Joseph Bonaparte and Count Ludwig von Cobenzl, the Austrian foreign minister. The treaty formally ended Austrian and Imperial participation in the War of the Second Coalition and the French Revolutionary Wars, as well as the Imperial Kingdom of Italy.

The Austrian army had been defeated by Napoleon Bonaparte at the Battle of Marengo on 14 June 1800 and then by Jean Victor Moreau at the Battle of Hohenlinden on 3 December. Forced to sue for peace, the Austrians signed the Treaty of Lunéville, which largely confirmed the Treaty of Campo Formio (17 October 1797), which itself had confirmed the Treaty of Leoben (April 1797). The United Kingdom was the sole nation still at war with France for another year.

The Austrians would resume war against France in 1805.

Negotiations

On 25 December 1799, Bonaparte wrote to Francis II to propose peace. The imperial response was delayed. On 20 January 1800, Austria and Britain signed a convention of alliance against France. On 25 January, Austria responded negatively to Bonaparte's offer. When Bonaparte renewed his offer after Marengo, however, the Austrian response was positive. A series of three negotiations followed.

Two armistices preceded the opening of negotiations: the Convention of Alessandria (15 June 1800) in Italy and the Armistice of Parsdorf (15 July) in Germany.

First round
Count Joseph von Saint-Julien arrived in Paris on 21 July 1800 and was received with enthusiasm. He met with French Foreign Minister Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord on 22–24 and 27 July. On 28 July, both signed a preliminary peace, which was mostly a copy of the Treaty of Campo Formio. The main difference was that the House of Austria was to be indemnified for its losses with territory in Italy, rather than in Germany. On 30 July, Saint-Julien left for Vienna accompanied by a French plenipotentiary, Géraud Duroc, although the French had intended for the final treaty to be signed in Paris.

Duroc was not allowed to cross the Austrian lines. Saint-Julian arrived in Vienna on 5 August, but his preliminary peace was rejected by the emperor. On 13 August, Duroc was denied a passport and given a letter from Austrian Foreign Minister Johann Amadeus von Thugut, the architect of the Anglo-Austrian alliance, to Talleyrand. Duroc returned to Paris on 20 August. It is thought that his report on the state of the Austrian forces, based on his stay at General Paul Kray's headquarters, influenced Napoleon's decision to launch a new offensive in September.

Shortly after Duroc had delivered the Austrian response, Saint-Julien was imprisoned and accused of signing a treaty without authorisation.

Second round
After the Saint-Julien fiasco, Thugut expressed a desire for Austria and Britain to negotiate together, but Napoleon rejected the idea of a peace conference. Britain, in turn, rejected French proposals for a separate peace. On 7 September, British Foreign Minister, Lord Grenville dispatched a counterproject to Paris, which contained a proposed naval armistice. The offer was received on 10 September, and Napoleon extended the armistice one week to consider the proposal, which was rejected. As a result, by the Convention of Hohenlinden of 20 September 1800, Austria ceded the fortresses of Ulm, Philippsburg and Ingolstadt to France in exchange for a one-month extension to the armistice. On 25 September, Thugut resigned as Austrian foreign minister.

Final round
The emperor originally nominated Ludwig Conrad von Lehrbach as his plenipotentiary for the peace talks in Lunéville. As Lehrbach had signed the Convention of Hohenlinden and caused Thugut's fall, he was unacceptable to the British. He was replaced by Ludwig von Cobenzl, who was not initially authorised to negotiate apart from the British. The final round of negotiations thus began with a long period during which France and Austria haggled over the terms of negotiating while the armistices lapsed in late November.

The peace conference was supposed to open in Lunéville on 7 October, but Cobenzl did not arrive for over two weeks, and Lord Grenville never appeared. By 25 October, Cobenzl, without instructions, had gone from Lunéville to Paris. He left a week later, the French having failed to separate him from his British allies. Cobenzl returned for a meeting with Napoleon before his first negotiation at Lunéville on 9 November with Joseph Bonaparte. Since Cobenzl was not authorised to treat for a separate peace, and Joseph was authorised only to treat with Austria, the negotiations began at a deadlock. Joseph proposed that a secret treaty could be negotiated, with the British being invited to a public conference for appearance's sake only after negotiations had been effectively complete and the treaty publicly signed and all earlier copies burnt, only in March 1801, after the expiration of the Anglo-Austrian alliance. The British, meanwhile, had by 23 November suspended payment of the second installment of the subsidy that they had agreed to pay Austria on 20 June.

During the negotiations at Lunéville, the French actively sought the alliance of Russia. After a rapprochement had been made, Napoleon withdrew the offer to admit a British representative under any circumstances on 7 December. On 3 December, the French had won their victory at Hohenlinden. New instructions reached Cobenzl on 26 December. He was authorised to sign a preliminary separate peace to obtain a general armistice. In fact, an armistice covering Germany had already been signed by the commanders in the field on 25 December. On 26 December, the Second League of Armed Neutrality was formed. On 27 December, Francis II informed King George III of the United Kingdom of being unable to meet his obligations as an ally. On 31 December, Cobenzl informed the French that he would negotiate without Britain.

The final negotiations concerned mainly boundaries and indemnities in Italy. The Grand Duchy of Tuscany was a major issue. The terms of Campo Formio were accepted by Austria for Germany, and only the nature and the methods of compensation for imperial princes losing territory had to be decided. As of 30 December, the emperor was offering to accept the Oglio (rather than the Adda) as the boundary of his territory in Italy if he held onto the Legations, and the Duke of Modena was indemnified for his losses in Italy, not Germany. Since the fighting continued in Italy while negotiations were underway at Lunéville, Cobenzl was forced to adjust his demands successively eastward as the French advanced in Italy. By 5 January, he was willing to accept the Chiese, by 9 January the Mincio and by 15 January the Adige and the Fossa Maestra.

On 16 January, the Austrian and French commanders in Italy concluded the Armistice of Treviso, which left the fortress of Mantua in Austrian hands. Cobenzl was not aware of that at the time of his sixth official conference with Joseph on 25 January. France demanded the cession of the fortresses of Mantua, Peschiera, Legnano, Ferrara and Ancona and the expulsion of the Grand Duke of Tuscany from Italy in return for an armistice in Italy. Since the Armistice of Steyr was expiring, both sides agreed to extend it as well. As a result, Mantua was lost to Austria.

On 1 February, France accepted an Austrian request to allow a representative of Naples and Sicily to take part in the negotiations although that did not happen. The final week was taken up by the issue of the Left Bank of the Rhine and the Empire. Austria wanted another congress like the Congress of Rastatt to make peace for the Empire. Napoleon demanded that Francis sign on behalf of himself, his own territories and the Holy Roman Empire. The treaty was finally signed at 5:00 in the evening on 9 February 1801.

Terms
The Treaty of Lunéville declared that "there shall be, henceforth and forever, peace, amity, and good understanding" among the parties. The treaty required Austria to enforce the conditions of the earlier Treaty of Campo Formio.

The independence and sovereignty of the Cisalpine, Ligurian, Batavian and Helvetic republics was recognized. The entire left bank of the Rhine, including the Austrian Netherlands, was ceded to France. Imperial Italy was also ceded by the Empire, becoming parts of France and the new Italian Republic.

Whereas Campo Formio had not affected the Grand Duchy of Tuscany, Lunéville ceded it to France. In another change from Campo Formio, certain imperial fortresses on the right bank of the Rhine were to be demolished.

Those princes who lost territory, including the Grand Duke of Tuscany and the Duke of Modena, were to be compensated with territory in Germany east of the Rhine. This was to be accomplished largely thought a programme of secularization of ecclesiastical principalities as laid out at the Congress of Rastatt. France would supervise the process. Although Austria had been promised the Archbishopric of Salzburg and some Bavarian lands at Campo Formio, those promises were withdrawn at Lunéville. The Austria acquisition of the Venetian Terraferma, Venetian Dalmatia and all of Istria was confirmed.

Imperial deputation
The treaty was accepted by the Imperial Diet on 7 March.

The task of compensation was left to an Imperial deputation (German: Reichsdeputation). France and Russia greatly influenced the negotiations in the Imperial Deputation, with France urging for larger new territories to be formed, which it hoped would later ally with them, and Russia favouring "a more traditional balance". Eventually, the Reichsdeputationshauptschluss (Final Recess of the Imperial Deputation), the final document that reorganised the Empire, was signed on 25 February 1803. The Recess did far more than simply satisfy the need to compensate the princes, but it fundamentally restructured the Empire by secularising all ecclesiastical states except for the Electorate of Mainz. Almost all free imperial cities lost their sovereignty. The Reichsdeputationshauptschluss was the last major law in the history of the Holy Roman Empire before its dissolution in 1806.

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552 BC

The year 552 BC was a year of the pre-Julian Roman calendar. In the Roman Empire, it was known as year 202 Ab urbe condita. The denomination 552 BC for this year has been used since the early medieval period, when the Anno Domini calendar era became the prevalent method in Europe for naming years.

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550 BC

The year 550 BC was a year of the pre-Julian Roman calendar. In the Roman Empire, it was known as year 204 Ab urbe condita. The denomination 550 BC for this year has been used since the early medieval period, when the Anno Domini calendar era became the prevalent method in Europe for naming years.

Events

 * Greek colonization ends (approximate date).
 * Cyrus II the Great overthrows Astyages of the Medes, establishing the Achaemenid Empire.
 * Mago I begins his rule of Carthage and founds the Magonid dynasty.
 * The Kingdom of Colchis is established.
 * Abdera is destroyed by the Thracians.
 * The Temple of Artemis is completed in Ephesus.
 * The Temple of Hera I is built in what is now Paestum, Italy (approximate date).
 * Siddhartha Gautama founds Buddhism in Northern India after achieving enlightenment after six years of practicing penance and meditation.

Births

 * Aristodemus of Cumae, tyrant of Cumae
 * Hecataeus of Miletus, early Greek historian
 * Miltiades, renowned Olympic chariot-racer
 * Epicharmus, Greek poet
 * Atossa, Achaemenid queen (approximate date)

Deaths

 * Arcesilaus II of Cyrene, the fourth Greek Cyrenaean King and a member of the Battiad dynasty; he was strangled by Learchus.

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I added a few links for the county airports, Door County Cherryland Airport and Ephraim-Fish Creek Airport. I recently created the Cherryland Airport article, and if anybody has more info on the airfield, please update the article. Also, if there is more information on any airports in Door County, I think that would be a valuble addition to the article..just my two cents. Luke119 01:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Expansion
I added the template for expansion because I think more information on why folks vacation in Door County would be interesting; if not on this page, then on the individual cities' pages. I've never been up there so I don't really know that much. HollyAm 17:41, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Native Americans in Door County
If this article is going to talk about the Amerindians in Door County, I don't think it should jump from the 13th century to the "1800s". I don't like treating them like Brigadoon. The Door Peninsula and its islands feature in the westward migrations of North American Indians during the early historical period, with groups from the east displacing and replacing groups from the west. That Amerindians once lived on the Door Peninsula but now generally don't is a sort of truism and applies to the U.S. generally. It does not convey any information.

How many Native Americans lived in Door County in 1830 and how many were "removed" by the Indian Removal Act. What specific treaties conveyed what become Door County to the federal or territorial governments? When were they enacted? If unknown, try early 19th century or late 19th century.

Also, generally, the 1800s should be avoided. In 1801, Great Britain still controlled that part of the world. By 1899, the earlier part of the century was as unimaginable to those alive as 1899 is to us today. -Acjelen 21:26, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Tourism
Please keep an eye out for people changing tourism to terrorism on some articles, including this one. Is that suppose to be cool or something? -Keandobus 21:50, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to revert the stuff in the Tourism section about F***ing Illinois sh** heads.. since it very clearly does not add anything to this article and seems really out of place for an encyclopedia. BenFFoster 20:12, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I see a lot of marketing copy by specific stores so I'm deleting it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.47.15.38 (talk) 21:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

The origin of "Deaths Door"
It's a common misconception that Death's Door was named after shipwrecks. However the name significantly predates any shipwrecks in the passage and has it's root in the 1600's as the passage was at the center of a conflict between rival Native American tribes attempting to control the fisheries off the coasts of Washington Island. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cite Your Sources (talk • contribs) 17:44, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

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Not sure if "Cape Townsend" has anything to do with George Townshend, George Townshend. There is no h in Townsend, so maybe the similarity is just a coincidence. I am cross-posting this on the George Townshend talk page.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 16:03, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

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Parks images
User:Royalbroil has images of Newport and Potawatomi State parks (putting this here instead of in the article.)--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 01:41, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * And many more places in the Door County and Wisconsin in general.  Royal broil  03:59, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Are they all already on commons? I'm going to assume they aren't, so I get to make a wish list. I expect most of these requests will be unfulfilled, so don't feel like you need to go photograph them just because I asked. But on the off chance you have them:

 * A picture of Robert La Salle County Park would fit in well to illustrate the mention of this place in the history section, but there aren't any pictures of it on commons or flickr.

 * County or town parks not already featured could go in the Gallery or in the pages for the local communities. There are very few smaller parks featured on flickr under a suitable license.

 * Pictures of food, people fishing or of caves (especially the entrance to Horseshoe Bay Cave) could go in the existing montages.

 * There also aren't yet any good pictures of the escarpment on commons, just the stone quarry. I think a good picture would be one from a park where the landscape is undeveloped.
 * File:NiagaraEscarpmentOutcroppings LakeMichiganShore.jpg. More from different places along the escarpment would be found here.
 * Yes, I saw those other pictures from Canada especially but I could find no similar big-cliff type pictures for Door County. I moved the NiagaraEscarpmentOutcroppings and the turbine up to the escarpment section, where they fit with the existing photo as a montage. The outcroppings picture is larger in the montage because it is hard to pick out the details when it is smaller.
 * I haven't found the Niagara Escarpment to be cliff-type in Door County. I might have some that are more gradual.
 * Yesterday I looked it up (and put it in the article) that it is more of one big escarpment north of Sturgeon Bay and separates into multiple smaller ridges south of Sturgeon Bay. Part of it is that the cliff face, when bare, is probably covered in trees. The places where it is more bare and exposed are probably near development or roads.
 * Picture(s) of J-1 workers (like servers in ethnic European dress) could illustrate the Economics of tourism section. In general there aren't many photos of people on commons--many photos with people doing things of interest could be potentially added to county related articles.
 * The reason why there aren't many people images is because they are very difficult, as the worker would need to be asked and give permission.
 * Oh well.
 * A photo of biking or a bike race could go under non-motorized transportation. (There are already county related horseback and kayak pictures on flickr under a suitable license that I could upload.)

 * Under "Geographic distribution of tourist spending"--if you took pictures of restaurant buildings, maybe a fancy one from the northern part could be placed alongside a diner or bar from the southern part.
 * File:Wilson's - panoramio.jpg Fancy northern
 * Yes, that would work.
 * A photo of the coastal byway sign with the flower on it might fit either in the county article or another one.
 * File:Door County Coastal Byway March 2011.jpg
 * Thank you for pointing that one out. I added it.
 * A photo of the hospital in Sturgeon Bay could go in the public health section.

 * A photo of an active gravel pit for the Soils, crops, gravel pits, and minerals... or maybe an oats or wheat crop near maturity?
 * My first thought was the Olde Stone Quarry which is photographed in the article
 * Another quarry-in-a-park is at Potowatomi State Park; yet neither is obviously a quarry to the picture-viewer because of time
 * Recreational aircraft or motorcycle photos. A photo of the Wisconsin Motorcycle Memorial could work instead.
 * Door County Cherryland Airport
 * I really liked the photo in the infobox some months back when I first noticed it; but don't want to make the airport article seem degraded by taking it for the main county article.
 * The current photo in the Shoreline development photo could be replaced if you have a better one.

 * The Maple-Oregon Street bridge could use a picture on the Sturgeon Bay article if you have it. The other two bridges have pictures already.
 * I just uploaded File:OregonStBridgeSturgeonBayAug2009.jpg

 * A maple tap, or a store which sells maple products.

 * Brussels Hill and / or other high points

 * The garden or demonstration plantings at the Peninsular Research Station

 * If you photographed any unusual looking lichens, I can look at it and see if is one of the two kinds mentioned in the article. The lichen pictured is one of the more ordinary lichens that is found in more places and since they are mentioned, pictures would be appropriate.

 * A barn quilt

 * A chipmunk

--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 03:17, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I notice you add far more images that most Wikipedians want. Most Wikipedias want about 5 on an article of this size. I have inserted up to a dozen in some cases just to have others remove them saying that someone can click on the Commons link if they want to see more images.  Royal broil  04:20, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, some of these requests if you have them might be better in the individual topic articles due to space. Or they might replace an existing image, freeing up the one on this article to be used on another article without duplication. Likewise, a montage might replace existing single photos. If you count montages as a single image, roughly this article has around the same number of images as the San Francisco and Manhattan articles, (which are counties--strange). So it isn't excessive yet, but I understand I should be careful.

 * It helps that this is a noncontroversial article, but you still never no what people will fight about. About a month ago someone reverted a few photos I added to another county article, one in a less developed area that was under-illustrated. People are very arbitrary with their image preferences on Wikipedia so I often don't know what to expect until I try it despite the various rules that have been published. There is even an article about it: De gustibus non est disputandum.

 * If someone argues that people should just use commons link again, you can respond that page views stats indicate that items on commons aren't viewed much at all, while articles are seen and used. I've recently considered deleting the ferry, boat contest, lighthouse, 2000 census chart, wigwam, and Cave Point County Park photos. If any of them are yours and you want them kept, tell me.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 23:38, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

(deindent) I looked through photographs from dozens of trips to Door County since 2006 and didn't find anything that fit your other requests. I hope to go later this year to pick cherries and possibly a separate time to do a vacation rental for a few nights. I would take along the list in case I could fulfill any.  Royal broil  15:21, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

 * I didn't expect more than a few from my large list, and I was able to add two of them, so I feel like I got what I requested from my long-winded request. Plus I see above there are more suggestions I haven't attended to yet. Yet if you want to do more, have more ideas. Again, due to the volume there is no way you would want to do every one of them. Many of these would not be appropriate on the Door County article but could be helpful on the individual location articles:

 * A. I'm not sure which way you are driving but you could photograph public wayside facilities and they could go into the highway articles. On 57, there are restrooms at Wequiock Falls, Bay Shore County Park, Red River County Park, and Meridian Park; On 42 they are at the Kewaunee Selner Park, Algoma Visitor Center south of Crescent Beach, Forestville Dam, and Maplewood. For 42-57 there are porta-potties at the Peninsular Agricultural Research Station by the Open Door garden. There are also public restrooms at 1820 S. Neenah and the visitor center in Sturgeon Bay.
 * B. the Strawberry Creek fish hatchery just south of Sturgeon Bay
 * C. All playgrounds, schools, and ballfields, and the signs for the two youth camps. They could go on the individual community articles.
 * D. There are about 10k acres of DNR owned land, about 4k acres of Door County Trust Land, a little over 1k acres of county parks(for details, see page 49 and following of this pdf), and I am not counting the Ridges Sanctuary or parks owned by communities or school districts like the trail systems at Sawyer Elementary in Sturgeon Bay or the Southern Door School Forest. Of these, only the state parks and a minority of the county parks have illustrations. So the gaps are the DNR-owned areas that are not part of the five large state parks (I wonder if the tiny state park on Detroit Island has signs?), the Land Trust properties, most county parks, and nearly all local parks. It is safe to say that over 90% of public lands in Door County have zero pictures on Commons.
 * E. Inland lakes. Some lakes have no photos and yet are fairly accessible to the public; a list:
 * Arbter Lake (Mud Lake; Schmok Lake)
 * Bradley Lake within Sunset Park
 * Forestville Flowage
 * Krause Lake
 * Little Marsh (Wickman Marsh)
 * Mackaysee Lake
 * Rogers Lake
 * Schwartz Lake
 * Kellner's Fen
 * Unnamed Lake #3	in Lyle-Harter-Matter County Park
 * Voecks Marsh

 * The photos could go both on the main county page with the other lake photos or in the individual community or location articles.
 * F. Rivers and Creeks. They are marked with signs on the roadway. There area already photos for Mink River, Logan Creek, and the Ahnapee. Possibly there are more I am missing among the flickr Mayer photographs, but they do not all appear to be labeled so I wouldn't know what to caption them anyway.
 * G. For development on the escarpment, there is a telecomunications tower in Egg Harbor and also houses on the escarpment in that area.
 * H. If you have a selfie-stick, you could stick it into the grate at Horseshoe Bay Cave (the openings are intentionally big enough for bats to get through). That way you could get an inside-the-cave picture.
 * I. Any commercial fruit trees, bushes, or vines besides cherries or apples.

 * Resources for finding places to photograph:
 * DNR Find A Lake
 * DNR Find a park (if you zoom in the green parcels without icons are the ones that are missing so far; also the managed forest map has DNR lands colored and labeled)
 * Developed Land Trust Preserves (to find the undeveloped ones lacking parking lots, go to the Wisconsin Statewide Parcel Map and run a search for LAND TRUST INC DOOR COUNTY . I think are already photos within undeveloped Land Trust preserve land on iNaturalist, but they are not published under a suitable license. This website works good for finding DNR lands--just search D.N.R. and it will bring them up-- and to find county properties like the parks, communications towers, and gravel pits, you can search for County of Door . For the Ridges, search Ridges Sanctuary.)
 * Map of County and State Parks
 * Parks on doorcountynorth.net (does not appear to be complete)*
 * Liberty Grove Town Parks
 * Sevastopol Town Parks
 * Village of Egg Harbor Parks, with pdf map link at the bottom
 * Town of Jacksonport parks
 * Town of Baileys Harbor Parks
 * City of Sturgeon Bay Parks
 * Sister Bay Parks
 * Washington Island Parks (labeled map on page 15 of the pdf)
 * Beaches of Door County and this interactive map of Green Bay and Lake Michigan Beaches
 * pee.place listings for Door County
 * --Epiphyllumlover (talk) 21:08, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Article length
Hello all. This article is far too long per our guideline on article size. (I'm seeing nearly 15k words with the prose size script!) What can be cut out, shortened, or moved to sub articles? I might suggest looking at the attractions (sub-article?), public health sections (shorten, especially on COVID), and historical county border adjustments (to history section or remove) to start, though more than that will need to be done. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 05:27, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I made sub-articles on coronavirus and pollution. I intend to remove the plants and fungi from attractions and make a new sub-article about them. I believe a new sub-article on this topic will meet GNG. --Epiphyllumlover (talk) 18:53, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The plants and fungi are separated into another article, the history of county borders is moved to Door Peninsula, and the table of lakes is moved to another article. Now there is somewhat less than 85kb of articlespace text not including spaces, or somewhat less than 100kb including spaces but not paragraph symbols.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 02:21, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, ! I'm still looking at nearly 12k words though (as measured by the script). So, a few additional questions...
 * Could the history be moved to a separate History of Door County, Wisconsin article and summarized here?
 * I know you've worked on this, but do we really need all of the information about living plants and animals? That seems extraneous. What would a general reader need?
 * How detailed do the entries in the "Population and its health" section need to be? For a single example, I figure that the "Religious statistics" section should be a sentence in a larger section about demographics.
 * Same question about the "Child maltreatment" section.
 * How could the "Geography" section be shortened?
 * Etc. :-/ Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 05:20, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Article_size goes by kb instead of word count. Is there another guide that gives recommendations by word count so I know what to aim for? I would like to think that a larger article can be justified due to scope; that the pool of general readers includes area residents, tourists/potential tourists, and migrant workers/potential migrant workers. As of right now it seems the easiest section to trim would be Geography, some of that could go to Door Peninsula which would make sense since counties are political and peninsulas are geographical.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 19:50, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The section on rare snails mentioned Brown and Kewaunee Counties, so it seemed worthwhile to move it to the Door Peninsula article.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 21:16, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That's a fair point, but even by that metric the article is as of this writing at 70kb, well above the 60kb "Probably should be divided" threshold. It also doesn't include the bulleted lists and the tables. And in terms of scope, we're talking about a county; not World War II, the history of the Roman Empire, or similar. :-)
 * So on that line of thought, I would find it hard to believe that most general readers are looking for details as specific as some of these given in the article. Potential places to shorten things include the geography section, especially if it fits more directly in the scope of the article, and the over 2,000 characters/362 words on child mistreatment in the county, which is extremely detailed for what should be a tiny part of this article's scope. Same with "Demographics"; for example, the religious statistics really only need the percentage point in a single sentence IMHO. Vehicle accidents too. Do we really need to list of statistics as specific as the last couple years of bicycle accidents or a few months of work zones?
 * Also on a tangential point, why does the also rather detailed "Marriages" section only include data on women? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:35, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * How about I try to reduce the size of the article by a further 1/7th then based on your 70kb/60kb explanation?

 * The source I used discussed detailed marriage statistics for women but not men. When writing that section I thought that was odd too. I may be able to find male statistics on the census website.

 * As for your earlier comments I can address them... for the crime section, I would like to expand it to cover more types of crimes. That said, by statistics and trends the APS-and-CPS-investigated crimes surpass the police-investigated violent crimes both in volume and by their marked upwards trend. Most other crimes figures are flat, making them less interesting. Homicides are tricky to discuss and maybe better just left out because a USA-Today affiliate reported one possible murder for 2019, but the police did not call it a murder. Instead it was, and is still being "investigated" and at the same time the police chief in charge ended his career, which passes the responsibility on to someone else. I was able to discuss child maltreatment in detail because the dashboard I used as a source reported it in detail. I can see reducing the child maltreatment section when expanding the crime section in order to keep the Crime section as a whole to a smaller size. As for bicycling accidents, this is significant because a decent chunk of the economy relies on imported labor that cannot drive. One J-1 worker was killed on a bicycle elsewhere in Wisconsin commuting to or from a tourist job. As such biker safety and infrastructure is a basic justice issue. There are also sizable annual biking events using public roads, making safety also an economic issue.

 * I support splitting off a "History of Door County, Wisconsin" article with one caveat. I am concerned that a split article will not pass GNG. The other three articles that I split off were ones that pass GNG. If you would like to research your opinion on its notability, fill me in on it. I am concerned that an "Attractions of Door County" article for the tourists would be a POV fork, with county residents reading the main article instead. Because the split Flora article is of interest to both residents and tourists, it is not a POV fork.

 * The section on religion at present is comparable to a variety of urban area US county articles. I am reluctant to report the activities of specific churches to avoid advertising, although the stavekirche are mentioned. Not reported in the article is that several of the smallest denominations with statistics reported are highly politically active and have been vary successful generating media attention and getting their members elected to political positions for many years. This is not a new thing. Historically, the remnants of the religious colony at Ephraim turned into a political center of influence disproportionate with its size. That isn't surprising given that Ephraim as a community predated most other communities in the area. Also, other churches perform functions typically given to governments or secular nonprofits, but as I stated earlier, I am reluctant to discuss the details in the article, so it seemed like just putting in the statistics would be enough. To some readers who care to interpret such things, the religious statistics also serve as a proxy for the current size of the Belgian, Moravian, other Scandinavian, German, and Anglo-Saxon communities which settled in the 19th and early 20th century and are mentioned elsewhere in the article. The figure for Catholics is a proxy for the number of Belgians, Germans, and smaller groups like Irish and Swiss. The figure for Moravians indicates Norwegians. The figure for ELCA Lutherans mostly indicates Scandinavians in general. The figures for LCMS and WELS Lutherans indicates Germans. The figures for UCC, UU, Baptists, EC-USA, and UMC represent those of Anglo-Saxon or Yankee heritage. These ethnic associations go without saying so directly in the article; the sort of people who are interested in such things are already aware of the context.

 * In terms of scope, I can see by now that I conflated "county" with "peninsula". It is tricky to resolve this because a number of sources refer to "Door County" instead of the "Door Peninsula". I fell into the trap of conflating them, but my solace is that I didn't start it. I will work on the article some more today and see what I can do. I disagree with using the standard "general reader" rubric of Wikipedia for this article because looking at the page views there is a very strong seasonal pattern to this article. This means that a large portion of the annual readers are related to tourism and temporary workers. The seasonal pattern is considerably larger than the typical school year and school week patterns often seen on geographical and government articles. For most equivalent articles, "general reader" can approximate to secondary student. The challenge instead is how to write for tourists, seasonal workers, and residents without making the article too large, nor making it unsuitable for students.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 19:56, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I cannot find male marriage statistics on the US Census QuickFacts. It seems that it should be possible to get these figures and the county rankings, but one would have to request a census product for all US counties. I have never done this and am not sure how long it would take. The figures reported in this article seem counter-intuitive. Out of 3k US counties, Door County both ranks 69th highest for never-married women 45–54, but is also 389th highest for married women in the age bracket just younger than this. As I understand it, in other resort areas with large seasonal populations the ACS is capable of picking up both the seasonal and local populations, since the surveys are done randomly throughout the year. That may be what happened here; the summer residents could be more likely to be older and never-married, while younger year-round residents are more likely to be currently married. Because this is unusual, it is worth keeping in the article.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 22:01, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I trimmed the article by about 1/7th. Disregard my previous comments about splitting off the history section. Instead, I moved the pre-county history portion to Door Peninsula, which is a better fit anyway because Door County didn't exist back then, but Door Peninsula did.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 00:02, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Additional Articles?
I believe additional articles can be added such as one covering transportation and the bridges of Sturgeon Bay (see User:TillmanJosh/Bridges of Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin) and potentially additional articles covering the history of Sturgeon Bay (something which has a lot of content to be added on). But would it be too much? I don't think so at the moment but you guys can decide. TillmanJosh (talk) 15:05, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * TillmanJosh, Yes, I just split off Climate of Door County, Wisconsin. Many some other local areas articles have separate split-offs for things like history, demographics, and culture. I came across an Economy of Cornwall article, so an Economy of Door County, Wisconsin article could be justified too. Earlier I separated a coronavirus article off of this one, but it was AfDed and redirected to the Wisconsin coronavirus article. So not all possible additional articles will work out.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 18:35, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Cana Island edit
I just made an edit to the Cana Island page. I'd never heard of it until a beautiful photograph of it appeared on my mother's laptop as the screensaver. I was interested in it, so I decided to look at its Wikipedia page and saw that it was stated as being over 8 square miles, which seemed gargantuanly wrong - not even ballpark to its actual size. I used Google Maps to estimate it, and from what I saw, Cana Island was just under 750 feet wide from West-East, which was its largest dimension for area, which would mean that it is less than .02 square miles. If there are any knowledgeable locals who can provide more accurate information, please be my guest and make a correction. Please leave a message on my talk page if you need any technical help with that. QuakerIlK (talk) 15:45, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Using the area calculator at the door county web map it comes out to around 8 or 9 acres, not square miles. The size of the island is smaller right now than it is on the webmap because lake levels are higher. The article must have mixed up acres and square miles.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 18:28, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Article length and amount of sources
Going through this article, it seems a bit excessive for how big this article is and how many sources are listed. I don't recall another article about a county or even a state for that matter go into such excess detail about every topic and statistic out there. Do we really need to include details about tick-borne illnesses, child maltreatment, or how many motorcycles and aircrafts are registered in the county? These are just seemingly random topics to include that aren't really standard in a lot of other county articles. A lot of the information looks like it would be found on City-Data not Wikipedia because they aren't notable topics. JayJayWhat did I do? 18:39, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It is quite long. It is as long or longer than the entries for the 3 most populous counties in all of the USA:  Los Angeles County, California, Cook County, Illinois, and Harris County, Texas - all of which are 150x as populous or moreso than Door County, WI, and which all have only a small fraction as many resources.  But if the resources are mostly reliable and at least somewhat relevant, who honestly has the authority to go on a deletionist-style purging of most of the article and say what is relevant and worthy of inclusion and what isn't?  Just rhetorical points.  I bet it's a beautiful area, though.  QuakerIlK (talk) 21:23, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree that the level of detail is excessive. Much of it should be summarized or purged.  Imzadi 1979  →   23:49, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * In fact, WP:TOOBIG would counsel that this article is already too long. It's at 71 kB of readable prose, so we're at the "probably should be divided" stage. However, realistically there are topics here that shouldn't be spun out, so it's a matter of summarizing or purging detail.  Imzadi 1979  →   04:12, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Most of the climate section could be split off into its own article. Imzadi1979, do you have a preferred target size?--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 16:25, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The guidelines say 50–60 kB. I've pulled a lot of excessive content. Splitting out the climate section helps, and now we're down to 62 kB. It's probably a matter of summarizing and deleting excess detail.
 * Another measure is just how many footnotes are present. Most decent articles won't hit more than 200, maybe 250. This article has had over 500 at points. That's usually a sign that we should be looking at which sources are in use and consolidating to better secondary/tertiary sources.  Imzadi 1979  →   18:06, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * There are no limit to footnotes or references in the size policies, and there are other articles which have many references. Manhattan, San Francisco, and Brooklyn are all their own counties, and are at 15644, 13381, and 11,004 main body words respectively. Door County, after some removal is now at 11,736 main body words. As of yesterday it was at 13,384 words. The pageviews for the article approximates that of individual county articles having the same population that Door County has annual visitors. As for the source quality, I want to avoid poor quality sources; if there are any in particular that must not be used, we can discuss them individually here.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 18:18, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I split out the economics of tourism section to Economy of Door County, Wisconsin. The article is now down to 9873 main body words, or 51 kB of readable prose. In theory this would allow for adding as much as 9 kB of new readable prose, or restoring certain items that have been recently trimmed.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 21:26, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest that we should trim further to get under 50 kB of readable prose. We should not be adding back per the guidelines.  Imzadi 1979  →   21:30, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll look into splitting off the transportation section to make Transportation in Door County, Wisconsin. There are articles like Transportation in the San Francisco Bay Area, Transportation in South Florida (a peninsula!), and Transportation in Boston.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 22:16, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

I wouldn't. Honestly, there's a lot of stuff here that just needs to be summarized and pared down. I'm not sold on all of these sub articles, and I'm not sure all of them would survive AfD on notability grounds. The problem is the extreme depth of detail, which isn't needed for a lot of these topics. This isn't a large metro area, so splitting the transportation topic off isn't comparable.  Imzadi 1979  →   22:20, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll make the article and see if it "sticks". If it gets deleted, the content can be re-added.--Epiphyllumlover (talk)
 * don't create it. We're really a point now where the existing sections just need trimming and summarization to get the overall prose length down.  Imzadi 1979  →   22:31, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * For now the article needs to be small enough that I personally feel I can safely add more interesting things as I come across them without running into complaints. For now I'll wait and see if there is any other input about splitting out the transportation section, and instead work on a History of Door County, Wisconsin split off.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 22:41, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't work on any more sub articles. I wouldn't worry about adding more content; there's plenty here. What's here needs to be curated. Seriously, there's whole sections here that could just use a good pruning. For example, do we need a listing of every wetland in the county? How about the listings of animal species? Could those be summarized a bit more? I think the whole "Ephraim no longer dry" section could go; put that content on Ephraim's article and move on. I also think the demographic information could get some summarizing, and the COVID section isn't probably needed.  Imzadi 1979  →   22:51, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Splitting proposal: History of Door County, Wisconsin

 * It is better to have the separate history article, because previously I had split off half of it to make the article smaller. Having a separate history article allows the history to be combined again.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 23:10, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Again, do we need the lists of specific wetlands, animal species and the like? Maybe those are the sections that need attention first on the way toward getting the size of the article inline with guidelines? There's two more sections that are probably not needed. Ephraim no longer dry could be a single sentence or two in the history section, and the COVID content could dropped or summarized. (Imagine a time when you wouldn't need to edit the article every day or two just to update numbers!)  Imzadi 1979  →   23:15, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

 * I see you reverted me; I will wait and see if the others interested in this article think a separate history article is better or not. I am going wait on responding to any of your other questions or concerns, and take things bit by bit here.

 * A proposed & much shorter alternative to the current section in Door County Wisconsin:

= = History = =

The Door County peninsula was once inhabited by Paleo-Indians. Artifacts from an ancient village site at Nicolet Bay Beach have been dated to the early Woodland period. This site was occupied by various cultures until about 1300 AD during the Mississippian period.

Door County's name came from Porte des Morts, anglicized as "Death's Door", or the passage between the tip of the Door County Peninsula and Washington Island. The name "Death's Door", or "Porte des Morts" arose from Native American tales, heard by early French explorers, which related to a failed raid to capture Washington Island from a rival tribe.

The 18th and 19th centuries saw the immigration and settlement of pioneers, mariners, fishermen and farmers, with the first white settler being [ncrease Claflin. Economic sustenance came from lumbering and tourism. During the 19th century, various groups of Native Americans occupied the area that would become Door County and its islands. Beginning in mid-century, these Indians, mostly Potawatomi, were removed from the peninsula by the federal government under the Indian Removal Act of 1830. Later in the 19th century, a fairly large-scale immigration of Belgian Walloons populated a small region in southern portion of the county.

A Civilian Conservation Corps camp was established at Peninsula State Park during the Great Depression. In the summer of 1945, Fish Creek was the site of a German POW camp, under an affiliation with a base camp at Fort Sheridan, Illinois. The prisoners engaged in construction projects, cut wood, and picked cherries in Peninsula State Park and the surrounding area. Eagle Bluff Lighthouse was constructed in Peninsula State Park in 1868 on orders from President Andrew Johnson, at a cost of $12,000. It was restored by the Door County Historical Society in 1964, and opened to the public.

 * This could be used with the photos of Eagle Bluff Lighthouse &/or Peninsula State Park--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 23:19, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Summarizing Ephraim into the history puts the article at 50 kB. There's still room to summarize as I've noted.  Imzadi 1979  →   23:27, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * One of the articles you've done some good work on, SS Edmund Fitzgerald, has 55 kB readable prose. It is inconsistent for you to make such a deal about this article being over 50kB of readable prose when that article is larger than this one. If you have issues with some of the content and think it is unencyclopedic, or particular sources that are problematic, they can be discussed piece by piece.

 * Even if 50kB should be held as a strict rule, that doesn't mean you have consensus (yet) for the particular method you propose to shrink the article. For now I will wait and see if there is support for a separate history article or not. A split proposal for this is listed at Proposed_article_splits, so this could take some time.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 00:03, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I've done very little work on that article, so please don't attribute that to me at all, thank you. The articles where I've done the most work all top out in the 30–40 kB range.  Imzadi 1979  →   01:08, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I went back and checked; the talk page was your 2nd highest article talk page by number of edits; when it was in draft you made 5 edits on it and when it was published in articlespace you made 177 edits. It ranks as your 32nd most edited article out of a list of 1,000 articles which you edited 9 times or more.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 19:46, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Please don't confuse edit count with research time, writing, etc. Edit count includes things like reverting vandalism and the like.  Imzadi 1979  →   20:33, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * An analysis tool says you wrote 7.3% of the current version, the second highest of any particular editor on that article. On the Door County article as it currently stands, I wrote 74.5%. of it. I am self-conscious of that, since I want the article to reflect consensus and the available sources rather than my ego. So I have avoided editing the lead so much, since that is what much of the readership looks at anyway on a long article; only 5 words and the census population number in the lead were written by me. I have avoided removing things others write, even if I personally disagree, because it might make others feel bad and discourage their participation. Some might have standing to fault me for writing 3/4 of an article, but you don't, since for your top five edited articles, you were responsible for 86.0%, 90.2%, 81.0%, 92.0%, and 84.2% of the articles' content respectively. Out of my top five edited articles on enwiki, this one has the second highest contribution by me; the highest one is a translation and is (for the English) listed as 93.7% being my authorship.

 * Replacing the history section with the short version above will help reduce my contribution percentage to the article, since the short version is mostly from others' authorship, and the long history section currently in the article (below the Settlement and development subheading) is disproportionately written by me and serves to weight the article as more strongly written by a single author.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 21:41, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Currently, prose text is at 51 kB, with 9798 main body words. If the history section were to be replaced with the short version above, the article would be at 41 kB, with 9521 main body words--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 21:05, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Seems like the split proposal didn't gain consensus, so I've removed the split tag from the article. -- Mikeblas (talk) 01:04, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * , I never asked for help on individual talk pages; this may be part of why no one commented. At the end of August 31, 2021, it was at 47 kB and 7742 words of readable prose size and 9107 main body words. The article is currently at 55 kB and 9086 words of readable prose size and 10483 main body words. Maybe if it gets up to or passes 60 kB someday I will just go ahead and split it without asking and see if anyone objects after the fact.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 15:11, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

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 * Are the political divisions of Dane County really called towns and not townships? To a reader, seeing that Perry, Wisconsin is a town that has "a total area of 93.0 km²" could be confusing.  Minnesota's counties are divided into smaller units called townships for instance.  If this is really what they are called, I guess we have to leave it as it is.  Does anyone know for sure?  And if so, is this the standard all across Wisconsin?--Hraefen Talk 17:18, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, they are called Towns. The signs, and letter head of my nearest local Towns state "The Town of Medina" or "The Town of Deerfield", however the term township is also used interchangeably. In Wisconsin, towns can be both incorporated and unincorporated - see Town for more details, along with this quote 'In some states, for example Wisconsin, "town" is used in the same way that civil township is used elsewhere'. Timmccloud 14:38, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

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A small population speaks Colognian dialect. Kdammers (talk) 05:36, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

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Tribes
Where are the FIPS codes for the tribes in Wisconsin? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.189.41.11 (talk) 15:19, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Lets make this a FL!!!!!
OK, we will need to get a few things done, then a peer revirew, a copy edit and BAM, off to FL nomination. Here is what we would need. NOTE: This is based on the WV FL which just passed over a week ago.

 * Formed from, counties need to be wiki linked, additionally, we need a ref or explanation behind, the term unclaimed territory.
 * About the unclaimed territory issue, this reference on the origin of Wisconsin is excellent!  Royal broil  02:06, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

 * Etymology, titles like President, Senator, etc ec, need to be wiki linked

 * Population, are these 2010 census, if not, they need to be updated
 * They are all updated to the 2010 census per .  Royal broil  12:06, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

 * Links, one or 2 are broken, I can get that

 * The introduction paragraphs, someone needs to stun the world with a few paragraphs about Wisconsin counties, most populated, least populated, largest etc etc. Additionally, there has to be something that is unique to Wisconsin in regard to the counties. AND all of that needs to be refd. Its does NOT matter what is unique, as long as it is, Wisconsin

 * I can link the counties, and finish the county click map, and of course take a look at the refs

[User:Coal town guy|Coal town guy]] (talk) 15:00, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Dallas County renamed to Barron
Whoah, this I did not know. SO, I have inserted a table for the renamed county and what happened to itCoal town guy (talk) 02:27, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Also La Pointe County, Wisconsin.  Royal broil  12:06, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * COOLIO, I bet you set this up to teach me about Wisconsin, didnt you?Coal town guy (talk) 13:26, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I found it at Category:Former counties of the United States. That's the only one from Wisconsin to answer your next question.  Royal broil  05:09, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

COUNTY questions
OK OK Wisconsonites, out there, I have found 2 (two) counties that have been renamed. Thats swell. Do we know, yes or no, if there are any more extinct counties, former counties etc etc?? IF there are, let us know as this is going to have a try out at the FL. AND it would be MONUMENTALLY disappointing if at the FL review, someone were to say, OMG, you forgot about.........I am 100% certain that out there in WIKI ether land, there must be a spirit that does not bend nor break, concerning Wisconsin history...PLEASE let us know...Coal town guy (talk) 16:22, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I assume that we're strictly speaking about the counties when Wisconsin was a state, not the Wisconsin Territory?  Royal broil  05:09, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
 * As far as I know yes, all data is post 1848. I have yet to poisr refs for it as I just started compiling a listCoal town guy (talk) 14:05, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Of note, the residents of Battle Ax county despised the name, I personally would have preferred that to Vernon, but hey, thats just meCoal town guy (talk) 15:13, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I would prefer Vernon. You must have a stronger warrior in you! lol.  Royal broil  12:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
 * One day, we must have a beer together. I can tell you about a place named Take In, yes, Take In. Oddly enough, Battle Ax, may NOT refer to a battle....there are several debated origins. Not bad for a non Wisconsonite who loves coal towns.....I must sayCoal town guy (talk) 15:43, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi-there is information about Bad Axe County, Wisconsin in the Wisconsin Historical Society website: Bad Axe County, Wisconsin The State of Wisconsin went through several territorial changes: Northwest Territories, Indiana Territory, Illinois Territory, Michigan Territory, and then Wisconsin Territory before Wisconsin was admitted to the Union in 1848. Any of the territorial legislatures could make changes to the counties. This was the case with Michigan Territory before Wisconsin Territory was established. I think the Michigan Territorial Legislature created what is Brown County, Wisconsin. Thanks-RFD (talk) 21:33, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
 * And the Michigan Territorial Legislature also created what is now Crawford County, Wisconsin-thanks again-RFD (talk) 21:44, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
 * VERY COOL and many thanks for the info. We will need more but we are getting closer. Can you find data on uncliamed territories???Coal town guy (talk) 02:22, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I wanted to thank everyone in this group effort. There are yet to be discovered tribes on this planet who have a greater knowledge of Wisconsin history than myself. So, I will be asking lots of questionsCoal town guy (talk) 14:02, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * You're asking the right people! I know that I have been in all 72 counties and I love to vacation around the state. I go to race tracks all over the entire eastern half the state, a different track each weekend in Jan/Feb and then from April until Sept/Oct (about 35 total). So ask away! And thank YOU for helping us understand how this works. I tried a FA once and it was worse than going to the dentist to get a tooth pulled. What were the original counties in 1848 when the state added added to the union? Everything else should be broken off of them.  Royal broil  00:45, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Sounds valid, however, unclaimed territories could be tribal lands or part of another state, Which is cool, WV had ALOT of those. BUT we will need to have a source stating, it was tribe x, or it was a part of y etc etc. I will start anopther section for that on this pageCoal town guy (talk) 01:38, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Unclaimed Territory
OK, I have counted 24 counties with Unclained Territory as their source. Crawford, Dane Calumet ect etc etc. Do we have a singlwe publuished source that would say, OH, and by the way, here is where we got the land. Tribe x, a gift, etc etc etc?? Good news, our clickable map is now complete. Choose a county in the state, click that on the map, and you will be taken to that county pageCoal town guy (talk) 01:43, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The unclaimed territory don't make sense. replCheck out these edits .  Royal broil  03:50, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I am seeing the same. As we have 24 unclaimed, that could be a real bag of suck to have 24 refs+, HOWEVER, The Wisconsin Historical Society is a great online resource, and has helped me understand that what you are saying is rather valid. Do you think we can get the origins corrected for the unclaimed territories? I can start linking FAST as far as what we do have and of course the renamed county table as well. DAM GOOD CONTENT by the wayCoal town guy (talk) 04:15, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Wisconsin counties-Louise Phelps Kellogg
Hi-I came across an article that Louise Phelps Kellogg wrote: 'Organization, Boundaries and Names of Wisconsin Counties.' It was published in the Proceedings of the State Historical Society of Wisconsin At Its Annual Meeting, 1910, pg. 184. The nice thing about this article is that it covers the 71 counties in existence in 1910. The 72nd and final county Menominee County, Wisconsin was not created until 1961 and it would be easy to find information on that. If someone who knows about citation templates, etc, and is willing to help put this together that would be great! Many thanks-RFD (talk) 17:07, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * YOU DA MANCoal town guy (talk) 17:20, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Founding dates, OH MA MA
OKey Dokey- I took a look at This. RFD was kind enough to supply the title, and its a free Google book. BUT, the founding dates in this book differ from the current list. Do we have a agreement that this should be the source for founding dates and formation history? It looks to be as primary as one can getCoal town guy (talk) 18:16, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * What are the differences? I'm checking the latest Blue Book to see if it has establishment dates. -- Mesconsing (talk) 23:19, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes it does! The Blue Book is the official compilation of info on the state, so that should be the source for county creation dates. I'll work on checking the dates against the Blue Book. (BTW, neither the Blue Book nor Kellogg are primary sources.) -- Mesconsing (talk) 23:25, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Kellogg is a primary source as it was compiled by a state agency during the time period being observed, at least, the Wisconsin Historical Society thinks so, I am UN involved with the list, but your assumptions for historical data are not correct.......Coal town guy (talk) 02:01, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Statutes creating the counties are the primary sources. Kellogg's work was compiled from the statutes, making it a secondary source. It's in the definitions. It's not my assumption. -- Mesconsing (talk) 02:29, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
 * NOPE, if the data was compiled BY AN AGENCY of said state, during the time period, its PRIMARY. AND THAT IS the definition and hereKellog was at the Wisconsin Historical Society, the actual text was published BY the society which IS a state agencyCoal town guy (talk) 02:36, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
 * This concludes any effort or edit on my part for this list or talk pageCoal town guy (talk) 03:11, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

First of all your "definition" goes way beyond anything on the web page to which you linked. What the page actually says is "Primary sources are works created at the time of an event, or by a person who directly experienced an event." Kellogg was not around at the time many of the counties were formed and did not directly experience them. Second, as you have already stated elsewhere on this page, you know little about Wisconsin. The Wisconsin Historical Society is simultaneously a private organization and a state-funded organization. As a government-funded agency, it is responsible for the archiving of official state documents and other historical artifacts. As a private agency, it operates museums, publishes books and magazines, and sponsors member events. Books that the society publishes are not official government documents. Or perhaps you think that Bottoms Up: A Toast to Wisconsin’s Historic Bars & Breweries or Haunted Wisconsin are official government documents and that a No Beer No Work Pin is official government jewelry. -- Mesconsing (talk) 03:22, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

REF update
Hey all- GREAT job on the refs, However, it is critical that we agree on refs as far as a courtesy link. The courtesy link allows a user to have the ISBN and search for a copy or version of the book. This was a deal on WV FL. The WV fl has courtesy links for the refs now, and they should remain. ALWAYS keep in mind, a cvourtesy link will NOT take you to Amazon etc etc, it merely tells a user where they can get a copy of the said book. I am very sorry if I did not communicate this earlier. It was a real blast discovering this during the FL review, thought I would save lots of hassle up front.Coal town guy (talk) 21:34, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * My apologies-I did not know it either about courtesy links. A citation about Menominee County, Wisconsin and how it was created is needed. The Kellogg article covered 71 counties in 1910; however, the 72nd and final county Menominee County was not created until 1961 so a citation is needed. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 21:43, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * No apologies needed at all. This is a group effort. It would NOT be possible to do this without everyones efforts here. Agreed 100% about the county link. Getting there, bit by bit.By the way, that ref you provided rocksCoal town guy (talk) 21:45, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Reference-Menominee County, Wisconsin-'The Making of Menominee County,' Paxton Hart, Wisconsin Magazine of History, vol. 43, #3, Spring 1960-History of the creation of Menominee County-that should be one of the refrences in the article-thank you-RFD (talk) 22:06, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed and many thanks. Getting dinner together, may not get to it until tomorrowCoal town guy (talk) 22:14, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Hart, Paxton. "The Making of Menominee County". Wisconsin Magazine of History, 43:3 (Spring 1960), 131: "On July 30, 1959, Governor Gaylord Nelson signed into law a bill creating Wisconsin's seventy-second county—Menominee. ... The new law will take effect on December 31, 1960, when the federal government terminates its 105-year supervision of the Menominee Indians.:

 * State of Wisconsin 2011-2012 Blue Book, p. 731: Menominee County was created in 1961.
 * -- Mesconsing (talk) 00:42, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Moving on, my error
As it is being pointed out that a courtesy link with an ISBN for books before 1970 would be "preferences hoisted upon me" and also since, my recent FL experience does not slice it, "thats what we call a good article here", I am at this time, totally, UNinvolved in this process.

I do not know squat about WI history. I am sorry to have taken up your time, your effort, I am sorry. Thank you for teaching me about Wisconsin. It appears to be a lovely state. Thanks again to all of youCoal town guy (talk) 01:13, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

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What the hell is wrong with the clickable map?
I click on a county and get little blue squiggles that intersect and are only in the vague position of the county. Not sure what the problem there is. Kingofthedead (talk) 08:56, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Road to Featured List status
Short list of improvements to make this a featured list (FL):
 * Etymology: source every county directly, instead of the whole column
 * Improve the sourcing on the lead (3rd paragraph specifically)
 * Population figures should have a hatnote with the date or some other way to signify when (so 2010 census, unless we get 2020 figues soon)
 * Potentially re-order the table, so its more logical (FIPS code is not second, population is more to the left, etc) (i recognize that the current table is a standard across all tables, so it should not be changed here.)

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The FIPS Codes / Counties between 047 and 053 are misaligned. County 047 should be McDowell, as the link shows. The others between 047 and 053 must then be shifted down. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.13.110.21 (talk) 16:47, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Would this make a Featured list??

 * MANY changes have been made, death dates for persons having a county named after them are being added nowCoal town guy (talk) 19:50, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Sent to GOCE for copy edit request....thanks all!!!Coal town guy (talk) 01:16, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Clarify tag in Rights and Functions section
I've tagged the sentence "Three counties (Greenbrier, Kanawha and Randolph) have the population and land area that would permit the formation of a new county.[6][7]" for clarification because of two difficulties. One is that, at first reading, one may ask: since they are already counties, how can they now be made into counties? Does it mean that each is large enough in both area and population to be split into two (or more) counties? If so, that is what should be said. The second reason is that I couldn't find my way to the relevant data in ref 6, and ref 7 appears to give only population figures. Note that we need to verify that sufficient population exists within a given area to allow a split. For example, if a county were to have 12,000 residents in 1000 sq miles, divided such that 8,000 live in a 200-sq-mile area and the remaining 4,000 live in the remaining 800 sq miles, then it cannot be split. (This is quite realistic, with a town/farmland split). So we need the specific statement in one of the sources for verification. Do we have it? --Stfg (talk) 20:43, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, one of the sources would clearly state verbatim, that county could not be split if it were caused another county "fall short" of the basic requirements of 400 suare miles and a pop and 6000. Its the WV code, I can get the ref placed properlyCoal town guy (talk) 20:49, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * That would be great, thanks. Do you want to fix the wording too? --Stfg (talk) 20:55, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Supplied example, remaining counties cant form a county because doing so would cause them to fail the standard of 400 square milers and population 6000. I think its rather clear now..Coal town guy (talk) 21:07, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, clear. --Stfg (talk) 21:22, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

External link is invalid
The external link section fails standards WP:ELNO for use on a wiki page, I have removed itCoal town guy (talk) 01:40, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Existing counties falling below threshold?
Just wondering; What happens if an existing county fall below 6.000 people or 400 square miles, for reasons other than new counties? I searched the web, but i ca'nt find anything on the subject. I see that Wirt County is below the 6.000, and 26 counties is below the 400 square miles, but the state constitution does'nt seem to mention this. Why does it not take into account that counties may drop in population? And should'nt it be mentioned in the article? Kristoffer "Wiki" Winkler (talk) 20:36, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
 * It is mentioned. The current WV constitution spells it out. "Article 9, Section 8, of the West Virginia Constitution permits the creation of additional counties if a majority of citizens in the proposed new county vote for its creation and the new county has a minimum area of 400 square miles (1,036 km2) and a population of at least 6,000. ". The quote is from the article...PRE existing counties that do not make the current threshold are NOT a part of the rules for creating a county. As those  counties PRE existed the 1872 constitution, you cant make it go away. HOWEVER new counties if created MUST by a minimum, meet the specifics in the quote. The counties that exist now, that do NOT meet the criteria, pre date the state constitution. As to what would make an existing county fail to meet a standard, its pretty uch an externality that is not in current state law. I have read the state code as well as the state constitution and know of no other mention of such a circumstance. After reviewing all US county FL, it would not seem reasonable to have a what if section, wht if the state blew up, what if we are invaded by aliens etc etc  .....Coal town guy (talk) 00:44, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Okay. I was just wondering why state legislators decided to not take already existing counties into account, as the disadvantages of small counties exist regardless of their age. Thank you for your answer. Kristoffer "Wiki" Winkler (talk) 21:29, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, its a great question. IF you ever have the time (dont laugh), the counties are listed explicitly, one by one in the WV State constitution, it did seem odd to me that such an effort was made to make it so very clear, when so many other state constitutions do not.Coal town guy (talk) 00:14, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Nice to know. I would like to look into that soon. And again, thank you for your answer. Kristoffer "Wiki" Winkler (talk) 02:29, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

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County Codes in the map?
How were the county codes in the map generated (like "WK" for Wahkiakum)? Is there a standard or an algorithm? Who did it? (I only looked cursorily in the history, but didn't see anything).

Tx Forkandwait (talk) 22:14, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

One does have to wonder (even at this late date) if the two-letter codes have any official status. They are presented in the lead-off map as if they were official designations, but the table bears no mention of them. --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 17:02, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * They are not official as far as I can tell!, how did you come up with these in Template:Washington County Labelled Map? CR for Clark seems the most unusual to me. I have replaced them with the full names. Reywas92Talk 19:07, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

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No, no, no, no, no! These counties HAVE to be in alphabetical order! How is anyone supposed to find them? RickK | Talk 05:06, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

County codes and that's it?
It seems to me that a list of counties would be both more interesting and more useful if it had something more than the FIPS codes to offer about the counties. Such as... County seats; population at last census; area; highest point; largest city (if not same as county seat); date (or at least year) of creation/organization... --Haruo 05:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
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 * The 2016 supernatural horror film The Autopsy of Jane Doe is set in Grantham County, located close to the city of Richmond.
 * The Netflix drama miniseries Echoes takes place in Easton County and the county seat of Mt. Echo.
 * The Playstation game series Syphon Filter has a fictional Virginia municipality by the name of Langley Virginia where the main character Gabriel Logan is from.
 * The historical drama TV series The Waltons is set in Jefferson County, specifically in the fictional community of Walton's Mountain.

Here's the current section (shown above). The 3rd bullet point is vague. It does not imply whether the fictional municipality is a city or town (which is important because towns can be part of counties). According to the the Syphon Filter article, the game takes place around Washington DC. I suspect that the fictional municipality called Langley is a fictionalized version of the unincorporated community of Langley, itself part of the census-designated place McLean because Langley is where the CIA is located (and therefore a metonym). Because the aformentioned entry on the list does not specify what municipality (unincorporated communities in Virginia such as CDPs are assumed to be towns or cities), this is an ambiguous case. I deleted the bullet point, but if they assumed it was a city, it might be worth putting, though that's ultimately moot if this fictional municipality is simply assuming that a real-world unincorporated community is a municipality, as some websites refer to unincorporated places like Tysons or Reston as cities or towns (both are census-designated places). - 18:19, 14 September 2023 (UTC) SlopeInterceptor

Form of government
Should the list of counties include a form of government column? It seems Virginia has a variety of government structures for counties that may be beneficial to list and sort here. See sources here:   --Gimelthedog (talk) 16:26, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Independent City Creation Dates are inconsistent and, frankly, make absolutely no sense
The listed creation dates of Independent cities make no sense whatsoever. First of all, there needs to be some kind of agreement on when any of these cities genuinely became Independent from the counties, as an argument could be made that it happened anywhere from the formation of Williamsburg in 1699 all the way up to the official constitutional recognition of these as being independent from the counties in 1974. What are we considering to be the date of establishment here? Is it the time they became settlements, the time they became incorporated towns, the time they became incorporated cities or the time they became Independent Cities? I'm finding vote totals being listed for specific cities in 1872 alongside counties various newspapers before they are listed as having been created, and more importantly the Library of Virginia states Danville as being incorporated in 1890, even though this page said it became an independent city in 1870. Most of the dates of "Establishment" (Which is exceedingly vague) have no source whatsoever, and the ones that do cite the 14th US census, or in some cases cite the city's webpage. These sources are highly unlikely to be consistent. There's also a source listed at the top next to the label of the "Establishment" column, but it does not work anymore. It links to the intended webpage, but to a 404 regardless. There is no consistency here, this is a vague topic and while I understand that there are different perspectives on when they truly became Independent Cities, but we cannot use every perspective AT THE SAME TIME and not differentiate them! For Lynchburg, the Establishment date is 1786, which is when the "city", which was then seemingly nothing more than a settlement, was CREATED. It didn't even become a TOWN until 1805! On the other hand, we have Richmond being stated as having been established in 1870, when it was incorporated as a city all the way back in 1842! Is there some strange milestone here, some kind of specific occurrence in each of these cities that made them true, genuine counties that I'm not seeing? It seems to me, and I understand completely that I could be wrong, but it seems that we are using DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS OF "ESTABLISHMENT" for DIFFERENT CITIES. If we cannot agree on one definition, then we need to list the dates for EACH definition. We need to do anything, as long as it's not this, because this isn't working.

Again, I could absolutely be wrong, that's 100% possible, but with all due respect to the person who made this page, I'm sure they're very dedicated to ensuring we have information on this kind of stuff and I admire that, but something HAS to change. And If this is actually correct and I'm the crazy one, then can somebody please explain the situation to me? TheGrassWhistle (talk) 19:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)


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Historical
Reading Wikipedia entries on Wisconsin counties, it looks like Crawford was one of two original counties...but surely not in its present boundaries. Where but Wikipedia can one learn about the history of Wisconsin counties to see how Crawford came to its current size? I realize Michelle Obama's wardrobe is also prime encyclopedia material, but this seems like an area that's lacking... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.245.131.67 (talk) 15:17, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Feel free to add to the History section if you feel it's wanting: History of Crawford and Richland Counties, Wisconsin. Springfield, Ill.: Union Publishing Company, 1884. 32.218.46.4 (talk) 17:23, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

title: Talk:Crawford County, Wisconsin