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Is it true that Pop Rocks are out of Falls Church or Fairfax? Wondering how to edit this U.S. City Entry? The WikiProject Cities standards might help.

VML
"Members also participate in the Virginia Municipal League and some serve on statewide committees."

This will need a citation or will trash after 30 days. No disrespect intended. 2222ARL (talk) 02:19, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Salvadoreans
This should be removed. The article says it's unclear whether they're from the City or from the surrounding area. They're from the surrounding area, the Falls Church region of Fairfax County. Some may work in Falls Church City, but the city itself is very heavily white. Most Salvadoreans in the area live in Annandale, Fairfax County and Arlington County. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.16.38.71 (talk) 01:16, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Who is Paul Burningham and should he be listed here?

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.41.108 (talk) 11:50, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Is the Commodore Douglas something that should really be here? Quite frankly, it appears as something farsical, something that isn't appropriate for Wikipedia. Bo-Lingua

I humbly apologize. Several people from my school thought that it would be a funny joke. I tried to explain to them that it was totally out of place in Wikipedia but that didn't go over so well. Douglas is a person that attends my school. Again, sorry for the inappropriate behavior of my fellow students.

What is the source for "Ali al-Tamimi, convicted terrorist."? My quick research shows that he was a resident of Fairfax county. Did he actually live in the City of Falls Church, or in the Falls Church area of Fairfax?

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If Ali al-Tamimi lived in Fairfax County he was NOT a Falls Church resident. The City shares no land or jurisdiction with the County. 24.215.179.72 20:20, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

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Current City Council, in case anyone wants to format it for this page Robin Gardener Mayor Term: 7/1/04 - 6/30/08 First elected: 7/1/00

M.R. Lindy Hockenberry Vice Mayor Term: 7/1/04 - 6/30/08 First elected:7/1/00

David C. Chavern Council Member Term: 7/1/04 - 6/30/08 First elected: 7/1/04

Harold Lippman Council Member Term: 7/1/06 - 6/30/10 First elected: 7/1/06

Daniel K. Maller Council Member Term: 7/1/06 - 6/30/10 First elected: 7/1/06

David F. Snyder Council Member Term: 7/1/06 - 6/30/10 First elected: 7/1/94

Daniel X. Sze Council Member Term: 7/1/06 - 6/30/10 First elected: 7/1/06

- Does Reza Pahlavi still live in Falls Church? I think he's moved to Maryland. - —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

JAG
In the television show JAG, the headquarters were shown as "Falls Church, VA." This, however, refers to a region of VA collectively known as Falls Church, not to the city itself. Furthermore, the show wasn't actually filmed here. The "JAG Headquarters" building shown on the show was actually the American Red Cross building in Pasadena, California.

Deserving of mention?
The TV show incorrectly states JAG Headquarters to be in Falls Church, Virginia (JAG headquarters are actually at the Washington Navy Yard). Is this worth mentioning? 23:55, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Greater Falls Church
People living in northern Virginia use the term "Falls Church" to refer to what this article calls "The Greater Falls Church Area", a term which appears to have been invented herein to support a POV. It's not even clear to me that most people who say they live "in Falls Church" live in the city, as opposed to the surrounding region in Fairfax County. I think the accurate thing to do would be to check with the Census beaurea to see if "Falls Church" is a CDP, and describe that (and it's various neighborhoods), and then have a seperate article "Falls Church (City)". I've lived in this area for 50 years and "Falls Church" has never specifically meant the city to me, who lives outside the city. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.199.132.43 (talk) 17:56, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

For that reason, and because the official name from the charter is "City of Falls Church," I have retitled this article w/ that name. It currently redirects from Falls Church and variations on that. Perhaps a disambiguation entry should be created for Falls Church (postal code areas of Fairfax Co.). I could not find Falls Church (Ffx Co) as a separate CDP; it is not listed on the Fairfax Co. page, for example (though several parts of it are, e.g., Jefferson).Troutfang (talk) 04:54, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

I see that a Wikipedia editor has reverted the name of this article to "Falls Church." That's fine by me. It means this article is about Falls Church, which includes the City of Falls Church but also the areas historically referred to as Falls Church but not in the current City boundary. Troutfang (talk) 23:45, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Starbucks
Removed the statement in the introduction about the number of Starbucks stores in Falls Church being the highest per capita in the nation. First of all even if the statement is accurate it is hardly something that would be worthy of being included in the introduction. Second it is incorrect information, despite the fact that a citation to epodunk.com was included. The city of Falls Church (which is the focus of this article) only has two Starbucks stores, not 8 as was implied by the statement in the introduction.Wikiuser1239 (talk) 23:03, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Correct: there is no basis in fact for SBUX density being highest in the City of Falls Church. There are only two stores, one mile apart (by the library and at the west end of town). In most cities, there is one per block. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hendaj (talk • contribs) 02:22, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Removing Popular culture
I am removing the popular culture section of this article. I looked at the WikiProject Cities guideline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:USCITY) and it did not seem to me that the popular culture section was appropriate for this article. In addition, the information in the popular culture section did not cite any references and so I was not able to verify if it was accurate. Wikiuser1239 (talk) 04:34, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Removing Notable Residents
I was looking at the history of this article, and "Arthur Douglas, leader of Virginian Jousting Association VJA" had been listed in the notable references for as far back as I could search the history. However, this entry is clearly vandalism as could be seen by clicking on any of the links associated with it. I have removed all possibly suspicious unreferenced entries in the notable references section because there may have been additional vandalism.Wikiuser1239 (talk) 05:09, 24 February 2009 (UTC) You took out Peter Overby, who lives right there on on Hillwood Street. If you're not familiar with him, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Public_Radio_personnel#N.E2.80.93R —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.90.176.194 (talk) 21:36, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

delete Memorial Day section, esp. re: predatory towing
What is the purpose of the Memorial Day section? Does this really rise to the level of encyclopedic information? Perhaps a heading simply listing annual events would suffice?

Most problematic is the bit on predatory towing. This violates wikipedia standards in a number of ways: it is POV (point of view), it is insignificant in terms of encyclopedic knowledge, it is enormously selective (how many other newsworthy items are worth reproducing here?), and it partly represents original research (e.g., the links to the video). It should be deleted. Troutfang (talk) 21:19, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

History
I have been editing & adding to the history section rather extensively (though still in overview mode, as Wiki wants), esp. for the 20th century. It focuses only on the most noteworthy state and national level events, or local events that were part of those state and national events, and is based on some excellent interviewing and writing done by a FCNP reporter a few years ago (see citations).

I'd like to rework the earlier sections at a later date. If you would like to work on any of this, post some notes here about your knowledge/interest.

Other than the Victorian Falls Church book, what are other good local histories?

Troutfang (talk) 05:25, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Organization
I started a bit of reorganization, trying to follow Wiki:Cities models. Added an Events section w/ annual & weekly ones added (I know there are more, incl. First Night, Falls Church Farm Days?, etc.).

Other ideas about organization? Troutfang (talk) 05:27, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Inclusion of Pope-Leighy House; & larger issue: what to do w/ stuff referred to as "Falls Church" but not w/in official boundaries?
I added a section on the Pope-Leighy House because much of the literature about it refers to it as once having been in Falls Church. Technically, that is incorrect, as its location was not w/in current boundaries or, I think, even in the town boundaries at the time. But all Wright's correspondence w/ Pope is addressed to East Falls Church, which is actually that area of Arlington that was once part of Falls Church as a town (til the 1930s). And the location is literally about 300 yards from the Falls Church border & on streets that are part of the grid of streets of Falls Church City.

Someone removed this section w/out discussing it first. Please abide by Wiki editing standards and discuss major edits first, esp. deletions or anything that significantly changes the article. We can all improve this article by discussing things first.

So to start discussion of this instance:

The larger issue is whether to talk about events, places, etc., that lie outside the current city limits or outside then-town limits for those time periods. (And in which case, where do we draw the line before town status?)

Here's my perspective, reading the secondary sources on Falls Church history:

Before incorporation in the 1940s, there was an area know to everyone as "Falls Church" and it included areas outside the official town boundary. This included Seven Corners, for example (all of it); and the airport that once occupied what is now Loeman's Plaza was called Falls Church Airfield. East and West Falls Church Metro stations are outside current boundaries. Yet these things are significant and should be discussed, it seems, in association w/ Falls Church (now City of) when we are talking about the history of the place. And the town boundaries changed, too, at least three times (once to exclude an African American section on the south side of town; once to connect to the former DC cornerstone; and once to cede "East Falls Church" back to Arlington). And proposals were made to annex large parts of these areas from the 1940s on, including Seven Corners to the southeast and parts of McLain and Tysons. From this perspective, then, the City of Falls Church is only the most recent incarnation of Falls Church. The article title is, after all, "Falls Church," though it does and should have a strong emphasis on that current incarnation, the City of Falls Church.

We should clarify when necessary, sure (e.g., whether now inside or outside current boundaries) but why not include something as significant as the Pope-Leighey House when its history was tied up w/, yes, "Falls Church"?

At the very least, please leave it in place while we discuss it. Maybe we can reach a consensus, which is the Wiki preferred way of doing things. Thanks. Troutfang (talk) 20:05, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Troutfang: You've added much to the history here, and I give you credit for that. My comment would be only one of categorization: that which belongs in Fairfax County should be in that entry. We have had too many extraneous items in the Falls Church City entry that are MILES from here. Mailing address does not a City make. I'm sure you understand.

-- Regards Lexicon 72.192.220.36 (talk) 02:11, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Actually, mailing address has nothing to do with it. Historical usage of the term does. If you read Steadman's book or Gernand/Netherton's book, you'll see that the name Falls Church applied to a fairly sizeable area that included Seven Corners, a slice of Arlington County, and present day Loeman's Plaza, where the "Falls Church Airpark" was located. The City of Falls Church, in fact, tried to annex all this area, plus more in 1949, right after incorporation. The current City boundaries are arbitrary and historically contingent; they only encompass the central portion of "Falls Church." And this article is about "Falls Church," not just the City of (a wiki editor cleared this up by changing the name back to Falls Church, from City of Falls Church). The article, then, should discuss Falls Church in all its historically relevant iterations. The Pope-Leighey House is arguably the most significant architectural event (encyclopedic, even) in Falls Church history; to keep deleting it based on the technicality that that area was not incorporated into the present day City boundaries seems petty. At the very least, please observe Wiki protocols and discuss it first so that some consensus might be reached. Thank you. Troutfang (talk) 05:31, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

 * The WP entry for "Falls Church" clearly demarcates its borders. We can include things from miles of surrounding areas that have been loosely called Falls Church for decades, but it has to end at some point, in part because of the problems of duplication it entails.  For example, do we also need to add an "East Falls Church" entry to the Arlington portion of WP?  Wikipedia keeps it simple for us.  We discuss things in the Falls Church portion that are physically in the present day Falls Church entry.  Things that are in Fairfax or Arlington Counties, respectively, belong in THOSE entries.  We have more important things to deal with and should stop chasing our tails over this.  I'm sure we can move beyond this minor point.  Regards, Lexicon 72.192.220.36 (talk) 15:12, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Hearing no response...this entry about the Pope-Leighey house does not merit WP guidelines for inclusion for the above reasons and because it refers to a building that has never been in Falls Church, that has been relocated to another place (again) outside of Falls Church, that was designed by an architect with no ties and no other buildings within Falls Church, and that was never owned by anyone shown to have any connection with Falls Church. All of that also applies, by the way, to the London Bridge, which is why THAT entry is located elsewhere in Wikipedia.  For these reasons, respectfully, this digression has been deleted.  Regards, Lexicon 72.192.220.36 (talk) 05:12, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

 * So, by this argument, we need to remove all reference to East Falls Church Metro station, West Falls Church Metro Station, and all those Civil War events that did not take place inside the city limits (the balloon ascent, etc., despite that all the major histories of FC consider 7 Corners part of Falls Church for that period.) We could also remove all reference to the high school and middle school which are not inside the city limits, right?  Again, please discuss this issue by responding to the historical argument for the term "Falls Church."  This entry is for "Falls Church," not for "City of Falls Church," and therefore should include those areas that HISTORICALLY are known as Falls Church, even though they were not included in the arbitrary boundaries created in the 1940s.  We're not talking about things miles away; we're talking about the roughly 4 mile diameter area that was always known as Falls Church and still is.  (Notice that the Falls Church News Press has at least half its distribution points outside city limits.)  There is no issue of duplication, as there is no Falls Church section of the Fairfax County entry.  Some people who live in the City of Falls Church might think the City of Falls Church is the only area legitimately called Falls Church, but the truth is that Falls Church has been around a lot longer than the City of Falls Church.  And Falls Church is a larger area than the City of Falls Church.  The WP article should reflect that history, not just what happens to have been caught within these boundaries. As for the London Bridge argument: if the London Bridge had originally been located several hundred yards from the current City of Falls Church boundaries, in an area known historically as part of Falls Church, then I'd argue that it ought to be included here. Troutfang (talk) 04:04, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Falls Church residents rely on EFC and WFC metro stations, and they merit inclusion both to clarify their location and to explain their importance to the residents of Falls Church. Similar arguments can be made about the Falls Church schools system.  I'm not going to respond point by point to this tediousness.  The Pope-Leighey house simply has nothing to do with the City of Falls Church, whether it's 40 feet away or 40 miles. Proximity alone doesn't mean it should be included in the article.  There is no significance to Falls Church here.  By your argument, we should be cataloging every old house OUTSIDE the city limits...for how many miles?  This thread has reached a level of absurdity far beyond any alleged importance of the Pope-Leighey house.  Please, drop it and move on.  Lexicon.  72.192.220.36 (talk) 19:27, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Falls Church City residents also rely directly on Tysons businesses and residents who pay for Falls Church City water, but I'm not proposing we include Tysons here. And I'm not proposing we include anything that isn't legitimately, historically known as part of Falls Church.  You have still not responded to my central point, so let me try one last time, to see if you can bring yourself to agree to a reasonable solution (which is the WP way).  So here's what I propose:

 * (1.) Since "Falls Church" historically was larger than the current boundaries of the City of Falls Church, and since this article is about "Falls Church" (WP admin. changed the name of the article from City of Falls Church back to Falls Church), then I propose that for the HISTORY section, we discuss relevant, encyclopedic information directly related to the history of Falls Church. This would include things like the Falls Church Airpark and the Pope-Leighey House in East Falls Church (both of which were in the area that Falls Church City tried to annex immediately after incorporation in 1949).

 * (2.) For the sections of the article that are about present day City of Falls Church, we can exclude discussion of anything outside those current city limits, with the exception of West Falls Church Metro, East Falls Church Metro, and the City schools that lie in Fairfax County.

 * If you're not willing to discuss this in a rational way as WP editors are supposed to--if you're going to keep dismissing this issue as 'absurd' and 'tedious'--then I think you should stop editing this essay.Troutfang (talk) 03:25, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

 * Troutfang: I appreciate your patience and tenacity in working this issue.  I think you have hit on an excellent idea for a historical section that discusses the surrounding region that one might term "Historical Greater Falls Church," although I'm not proposing that as an exact title.  In such a section, I could see a home for such topics as the PL-House and Airpark.  Best regards, Lexicon.  72.192.220.36 (talk) 22:44, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

 * Lexicon: Thanks.  Okay, maybe we should continue discussion here a bit before we change the entry.  I agree w/ you about the term "Greater Falls Church"; I've never really liked that term (if that is what you mean).  But maybe "Historical Falls Church"?  And I think it might be helpful for the intro to that section to briefly clarify that this section will discuss the areas historically known as part of Falls Church as well, even if they were not included in the current boundaries (and I'd say, even if they weren't in the town boundaries, to the extent that the town boundaries didn't matter as much as the city boundaries do now, or as much as common identification of the place by name).  This will then include the areas you name, but we don't have to go as far afield as some others have apparently done.  E.g., I'd like to know why such a large area of Post Office zip codes are called Falls Church, as they include areas I've never seen refered to otherwise as Falls Church, e.g. Culmore & Bailey's Crossroads, but I see no need to include those here.  I think this section could help clarify misconceptions a lot of people have about the relationship between the current boundaries of Falls Church City and the historical areas of what was once "Falls Church."  I'm glad we can work this out.  Troutfang (talk) 17:55, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

 * I'd say go with whatever you think best. Regards, Lexicon.  72.192.220.36 (talk) 00:24, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Having lived over half my life in the Falls Church area (my old street addresses just outside of the current boundary limits in the Westhampton neighborhood were named to match streets inside the city and once had three digit numbers that coincided with the still extant city system) and knowing that historically the town was separated by time and distance from other local communities, I feel that the Greater Falls Church idea has merit. I have read, and possess, all of the local histories mentioned above, and can confirm that the city did have the intention of encompassing areas that ultimately went to Fairfax County when that jurisdiction resisted annexing by the city.  The Falls Church water system supplies large areas outside the city limits, and it is not unrealistic to understand that those areas were under the local "spell", as it were.  The town limits ended up being limited more by politics than by tradition. Mark Sublette (talk) 01:00, 1 May 2010 (UTC)Mark SubletteMark Sublette (talk) 01:00, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, in the early 1960s, when the post office was codifying addresses, residents along Kirby Road, well outside the present city limits, were given the choice of choosing a Falls Church or McLean address. Mark Sublette (talk) 01:07, 1 May 2010 (UTC)Mark SubletteMark Sublette (talk) 01:07, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Economy section & merely advertising for ENSCO?
I notice that someone created an Economy section & added only one company, ENSCO. This seems like a bid for advertising to me. Anybody else think it should be deleted? or else write an actual economy section that would actually describe the economy of Falls Church? Troutfang (talk) 02:02, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

 * I lived over 25 years in the area, and I have never heard of ENSCO. Sounds like an advert to me... Mark Sublette (talk) 02:38, 5 May 2010 (UTC)Mark SubletteMark Sublette (talk) 02:38, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

 * I see that you deleted that. No qualms from me about you doing that. Troutfang (talk) 04:51, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

 * I see that there is an article about ENSCO, but it is actually headquartered in Annandale, Virginia, which is definitely NOT Falls Church... Ergo, it needed to go. Mark Sublette (talk) 06:05, 5 May 2010 (UTC)Mark SubletteMark Sublette (talk) 06:05, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Zip codes
The article does not mention zip code 22042 part of which is within the City of Falls Church. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.255.92.236 (talk) 02:27, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Richest County
Before randomly deleting this section (you know who you are), let's kindly discuss amending the language of the following sentence to make clear the original source TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE FACT THAT Falls Church City is not a County. It is poor etiquette to "delete first and apologize later." 2222ARL (talk) 00:36, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

 * Kindly do not use full caps when addressing others. It is considered shouting.  Regards, FC Observer (talk) 15:31, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Top employers
The value of the top employers section is questionable since it would be difficult to keep up to date. I noticed that someone had added Inova Fairfax Hospital as the top employer in Falls Church City even though it is not in the City of Falls Church. I have removed that entry since it is incorrect. However, I'm not sure if listing the number of employees from a 2011 report is appropriate for an encyclopedia because this information is likely outdated. Perhaps listing prominent employers would be more useful than trying to maintain a rank ordering. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiuser1239 (talk • contribs) 21:00, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

 * The top employers are useful, in my view. Things got derailed when -- as you mentioned -- another user fiddled with the numbers that were previously accurately sourced to the City report. I'll look for a newer annual report and update.

 * Kind regards, FC Observer (talk) 15:29, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Updating the Blog references in the Falls Church entry
The blog references are dated and don't match the encylopedic nature of this article. In Falls Church, blogs come and go. Some are corporate-sponsored, such as Patch.com (a division of Yahoo!). The local affiliate went dark several months ago and is now filled with national news...nothing related to Falls Church.

One of the two stated blogs, the Falls Church Post, is reported to be updated daily, and yet they post only sporadically, and even on their home page, they only say they post biweekly.

Indeed, the two blogs mentioned by name are not significant enough to have their own respective Wikipedia entries in the way that other media outlets in this section are (the Washington Post, for example).

Finally, to keep track of all these, again, doesn't seem within the bounds of the scope of Wikipedia. I'm suggesting deleting the references to the blogs by name and merely adding language to the effect that the City is served by a variety of blogs. That's true of most cities, so I'm uncertain of the value. It's sort of like saying, "People in Falls Church use Twitter." Is there a city in America where residents don't? But, again, that's my point. There are blogs, like everywhere. We either detail them exhaustively, or we don't, but we can't have two that are unrepresentative and out of date appearing to be the main blogs for Falls Church.

Kind regards,

FC Observer (talk) 15:26, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

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Economic Development link
I've been zapping the BV Economic Development link for some time, and explained my rationale on it when questioned, as I considered it basically advertising. Am I that far off my rocker, considering that an anon has once again re-added the link? SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:16, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation
I've lived around the area all of my life, and have never heard "bunna vista" (except maybe by out-of-towners). As long as I've been in the area it's been "byew-nuh vista." That's a bit of a head-scratcher for me. Thoughts? Artsygeek (talk) 00:22, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Don't forget that it's not the standard English alphabet that's being used there, but rather the International Phonetic Alphabet. Not being sufficiently versed in the IPA, I cannot confirm whether or not the pronunciation as you have described is being illustrated there, though I will confirm that you have described the correct pronunciation of the name of the town.  Can anyone more familiar with the IPA than myself confirm that the IPA pronunciation is applied to reflect the correct pronunciation?  SchuminWeb (Talk) 06:56, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

 * If the correct pronunciation is as Artsygeek and SchuminWeb have described, the IPA form should be [ˌbju.nə'vɪs.tə]. If what is currently in the article ([bunna vista]) were correct IPA — which I'm certain it is not — it would sound something like "boon-nah vees-tah". (!)  Richwales (talk) 18:08, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

 * I think the page should note that that's how it's pronounced BY LOCALS, but if you've ever been to Buena Vista, you know they're not exactly the smartest bunch, so I don't know if you'd want to take what they call it as the actual pronunciation, or if it's really the Spanish pronunciation. I don't know; just food for thought.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.123.5.178 (talk) 05:59, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

 * That is an absurd position. The town was settled and named by english speaking people and it is correctly pronounced AS THE LOCALS PRONOUNCE IT (bjúnə vɪ́stə). Do you want to go around tagging every article for towns like Staunton (VA), Calais (ME), Isle au Haut (ME), Buena Vista (CO) (who all pronounce the names of their towns differently than the foreign language from which they derived the name) making sure the world knows that YOU think they are pronouncing the name incorrectly? Do you go around correcting people for using ˈpærɪs instead of paʁi when referring to the french capital in an english sentence?

 * Totally agreed, and insulting the locals is just snobbishness. I suppose all the residents of the cities "mispronounced" in are dopes as well. Fool4jesus (talk) 15:25, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

 * In my opinion, the pronunciation described in the article should be the way people in and around the town pronounce it — and I really feel there's no need to say that's what is being shown, because I would think anyone reading the page should implicitly understand this. The question of whether the local pronunciation is "right" or "smart" is irrelevant.  It's really the same as with a person with a name of foreign origin — the proper pronunciation of a person's name is the way he/she says his/her own name, and it really doesn't matter if it's an anglicized "butchering" of the original pronunciation.  Richwales (talk) 06:12, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

When I lived in Charlottesville I was told that towns with names like this are a shiboleth. If you pronounce it Spanish-style, locals from anywhere in the region immediately recognize that you're an outsider. Part of the lore was that it was used to ferret out Yankee spies during the Civil War. Sorry I have no citation.
 * Shibboleth or not, if that's the way locals pronounce it, that's the way it should be pronounced. When I was at Virginia Tech, the only pronunciation I heard was BEW-ne vis-ta. Fool4jesus (talk) 15:25, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Notable Residents
Shouldn't the famous author Orson Scott Card be included here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.76.167.132 (talk) 17:13, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * According to his article, he teaches at Southern Virginia University, but he lives in North Carolina. Maybe he's remote. If you know better, please update the article. Fool4jesus (talk) 15:31, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

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Events
Lexington plays host to a number of major events which might be included in the article, such as music festivals, parades, the mock convention at W&L every four years, etc.--Artaxerxes (talk) 12:29, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

History
Perhaps a few words on the foundings of W&L and VMI? Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee?--Artaxerxes (talk) 16:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Arts and entertainment
A spring bed for a number of musical acts; history of music there (old-time country)? Lime Kiln? Other venues? The Lenfest Center for the Arts?--Artaxerxes (talk) 16:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Missing a Presidential Elections table
Every article for a county-equivalent in the United States features a table with all of the county’s historical presidential election results. This county/city is missing that data. Someone ought to add that. Mcleanm302 (talk) 20:42, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Virginia Horse center Foundation
The Virginia Horse center foundation is an integral part of the Lexington Virginia economy and apart of many local horse enthusiasts reason for being in the area. http://vahorsecenter.org/ 216.55.241.6 (talk) 19:48, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

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Lowest temperature
Is it really 52? Is that a typo? That seems too warm for a low temperature. Joe 17:23, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Hmm, not sure where those numbers came from. Got the correct numbers from weather.yahoo.com. Dr. Cash 02:32, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Wow thats low joe :)BIPPY3

G7 summit
I want to include a blurb about the 9th g7 summit, which was held in W-burg. Shoud I make a new category? What should it be called?

 * That section would be best covered in the history section. Obviously, when we think of history & Williamsburg, we think 17th century. However, Williamsburg has quite a bit of 20th century history as well. Dr. Cash 04:30, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Lost city
Derek.cashman removed the city from the Category:Lost cities and towns. Yet, the picture on the page was certainly "lost" as was 90% of Colonial Williamsburg. In fact, the city had declined so much after the Civil War that this is what saved enough of the city for Rockefeller to restore. I certainly understand the debate, but I believe the Colonial portion constitutes a lost city. --Noitall 00:26, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

 * I kinda agrees the Williamsburg wasn't "lost" although almost forgotten would surely fit. Thank goodness for the foresight of John D. Rockefeller Jr. and especially the Reverend Doctor W.A.R. Goodwin. In any even, Middle Plantation qualifies as one of the Lost counties, cities and towns of Virginia, and I added the cat lost cities and towns there.
 * Mark in the Historic Triangle of Virginia. Vaoverland 01:38, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Voting by W&M students
I have revised this section after confering with an official of the Virginia State Board of Elections. I realize that many W&M students are very upset, and may ultimately suceed in accomplishing cganges, but our article in WP needs to stay accurate and present a balanced POV on this tough subject. Vaoverland 20:55, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

 * This information that has been added has no source, so is unverified. Something such as this definitely should have a source added, or be removed from the article as jibberish. Although I think with appropriate sources cited, its probably noteworthy, but I don't think it belongs exactly where it is. I wouldn't include it as a major section in the article; it should be added to the history section. Dr. Cash 01:45, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I moved the 'interaction with college students' section and condensed it into a single paragraph under the 'government' subsection. While the interactions between the city council and the college students are still quite important, I don't think it's big enough to warrant an entire major section in the article. Wikipedia, after all, is not anyone's personal soapbox. Dr. Cash 20:02, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

rawdod link
rawdod is a local online community. 90% of members are local to williamsburg. It was established in January 2004. There is about 250 members, 60 or so active content contributors, and about a thousand unique hits to the site per day. I think a link to it is appropriate here, however there maybe a better describtion for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.230.208.113 (talk)

 * Please review WP:NOT. Wikipedia is not the place for promoting your own websites. Non-notable online communities are not relevant to the article, either. Dr. Cash 02:52, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Tampering
Someone has tampered with the Williamsburg page, changing the "county" label and a few words in the article to vulgar and profanity. 72.192.199.45 02:11, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Map is for York County
The map doesn't have a dot on the city of Williamsburg but on York County. Can someone please fix the map? — ዮም  |  (Yom)  |  Talk  • contribs • Ethiopia 05:38, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Red dot map
This might be a little bit nitpicky, but the highlighted area in the red dot map for this page is York County, not the City of Williamsburg. I couldn't find a central red dot project page anywhere (the US City guideline page just says that the maps are being produced by a 'number of Wikipedians'), so who would you talk to in order to get these things changed? Hiyayaywhopee (talk) 15:25, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

(Edit: huh, I guess someone has already said something about this. Two years ago.) Hiyayaywhopee (talk) 15:26, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Plans for this article
I've had getting the article for Williamsburg to GA status through off-and-on editing as a long-term goal for a while, now, and since this is my first real project like this, I thought I'd lay out a section-by-section. That way, I have some sort of structure to go off of, I can figure out if I'm doing this right, and if other people want to significantly change this article (horray collaboration!) we can make sure we're on the same track.

The articles for Norfolk and Virginia Beach, both of which have attained GA status, are serving as models for me.

Lede: The topics of discussion here and approximate length seem good, but there are some awkward phrasings that need to be ironed out. Also, once we're further along in the process of editing the rest of the article, we should change the lede to reflect the article's content.

History: Needs to be pared down significantly and written in summary style. I know that history is absolutely vital to an understanding of Williamsburg, but this article is about the modern-day city, and there's a lot of detail here that isn't particularly useful or interesting in that regard. It's also rather lacking in sources, though there are tons and tons and tons of books written about Williamsburg history (some of which are available at WRL; since I don't live in Williamsburg anymore, this might be easier for someone else, though books about Williamsburg are found pretty much everywhere). Once it's a bit shorter, it'll probably be a good idea to follow the advice of WP:WikiProject_Cities/US_Guideline and remove the section headings, since otherwise there will be significant temptation for someone to sneak a play-by-play of the Battle of Williamsburg back in.

Geography and climate: As far as physical geography goes, it might be a good idea to talk about the College Woods and other non-river features (including wildlife?). Also, the article doesn't mention Williamsburg's architectural tradition at all, so a cityscape section such as the one found in Norfolk is a must. Things that deserve mentioning: The Bruton Parish Church, The Governor's Mansion, The Wren Building and W&M in general (though, again, not too much detail, since after all this article is about Williamsburg and not W&M), all those churches found along Richmond Road, and the law that says that buildings can't be more than 3 stories tall. Something also should be said about the urban vs suburban question: though Williamsburg is primarily an automotive city, the university and tourist concentration has led to more pedestrian-friendly development downtown (eg Tribe Square and that new development going in on Prince George St). We might want to talk about New Town here, too, even though it isn't technically in the city limits. The climate section is a bit advertisement-sounding and totally unsourced (though is that a problem?).

Demographics: In addition to being rewritten in non-robot prose, something more should be said about the fact that a large chunk of Williamsburg is W&M students (look at that chart!) and how the elderly have been specifically targeted to live here.

Economy: Needs to be greatly expanded, highlighting the dominance of the hospitality and education sectors. Things that deserve to be mentioned include Williamsburg's reliance on international/migratory workers in the summer and the two-phase nature of the economy (tourists in the summer, students in the winter - a good example of this is prices at the Cheese Shop).

Culture: There's a lot going on in Williamsburg that doesn't get mentioned here. I kind of want to just find a local events calendar and have at. Events unique to Williamsburg deserve to be highlighted, as well as what the College draws in. I'm not sure how relevant the bit about Tidewater accents is (I've lived in Hampton Roads all my life and have never heard of it, though that doesn't mean it isn't important). As it stands now, this section doesn't sound very encyclopedic.

Media: Is there enough here to warrant its own section heading, or can we just fold this section and the culture section together?

Government: Probably fine as it is now, though maybe with a bit too much history. The paragraph about the role of W&M students is definitely worthy of inclusion but needs to be cleaned up and sourced. The 3 person rule is a big deal to students and students are a big part of Williamsburg, but I'm not entirely sure of its role in the grand scheme of things when talking about Williamsburg as a whole.

Education: Also pretty solid. Maybe more about W&M? I feel like the paragraph here, though, emphasizes things like community service which are good to talk about in an article about Williamsburg. Maybe more about the people associated with the school and less about its coat of arms or whatever.

Infrastructure: I've already reworked the transportation section; let me know if you have comments about it. I'm thinking about just trashing the utilities section. (Williamsburg, like most US cities of its size, has running water. Congrats!)

One last thing: pictures! I'd love to go take some next time I'm in town, but unfortunately that probably won't be until December.

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Lead image improvements
I recently attempted to redo the lead image, but the original proposal was reverted as "not an improvement", so I would like to raise the issue here for discussion on how to improve the lead image in the infobox. Presently, the current image is the backlit rear of the Governor's Palace, which on balance, is not entirely representative of the city as a whole, nor is it among the best images from the city available on the Commons. I propose doing a photomontage like the articles for many of the worlds major cities (using the photomontage template). Such would allow a selection of several images, tastefully aranged, to highlight several iconic facets of the city. The original proposal was an improved image of the Governor's palace, an image of the Capitol, one of the historic area gardens and Bruton Parish church, and one of the Wren Building. Here is my thinking: I think there should be at least one image of Colonial Williamsburg (of one of the iconic structures; either the Palace and/or the Capitol), one of the Wren Building (to represent the college), and at least two other smaller ones of iconic aspects to fill other elements (ideally at least one of which is not the historic area proper or not managed by CW--possible Merchant's Square). Any thoughts or suggestions? Morgan Riley (talk) 22:34, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

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wow.... didnt think there was an article about this tiny city where i live in..

wow.... didnt think there was an article about this tiny city where i live in.. Drunk dragon

NPOV: racial motivations
I am concerned that the following statements in this section about the reasons for the changes in political structure are not backed up with references:

"The Town of Poquoson was formally incorporated in 1952, around the same time that York County began integrating the public school system, when a referendum, drafted to avoid such action, enabled Poquoson to establish its own public school system. The town became an independent city in 1975 in order to maintain this status."

I think that teh way it is worded, we are stating that the reasons were racially motivated without providing proper sources. IMHO, that amounts to a WP NPOV violation. Therefore, I am removing same, and replacing with the more bland statemenst for the city's own website, which is cited in the article. I say, for now, let's not bad mouth the city's history with undocumented accusations. Vaoverland

Growing up in York County, I was told by teachers (long time county residents) and others that the incorporation was racially motivated. My impression was that this belief was generally accepted as conventional wisdom. There was plenty of circumstantial evidence to support this belief - the racial makeup of the city, the exclusion of the black areas of Tabb during incorporation, etc. If it is true, it would be a pity if we could not find any sources (I have been unlucky so far). At this point, the original statement would be more of an example of original research than of a POV statement. --Cy jvb 14:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, I have heard those same stories and I grew up in Poquoson. 72.205.41.204 02:31, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I have lived here for many years and our History Teacher, life long resident of the city says that the Move was racially motivated. This can esaily be proved by looking at how the city lines are drawn to cut out carries chapel a predominantly black community at the time of formation. 137.45.48.246 02:57, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

My family is one of the original founding families of Poquoson, and my great-uncle was the second mayor of the city. We asked the black areas of York County that surround the city limits if they wanted to be a part of the city, and they thought that they would have better services if they remained part of the county. So no racial motivation for the split. Will (talk) 04:51, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

 * This is what my family has told me as well, that York County chose the line. I have recently polled citizens that were alive during the 1952 transition and updated the article.

According to the Poquoson web site, [The southern portion of the Poquoson District in York County was incorporated in 1952 to retain control over its schools. Trying to pretend this isn't racially motivated as an attempt to head off desegregation is to turn a blind eye to the issues of the time. [[User:Mbroooks|Mbroooks]] (talk) 18:19, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Question?
I know the area and have a question. Does anyone know why Poquoson chose a bull as their mascot. Or if the reason is other than the mascot, why Poquoson became known as Bull Island? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.10.186.175 (talk) 01:08, 28 March 2007 (UTC).

 * I have nothing to back this up but folks from around town told me that there is a legend that someone was traveling up somewhere on the Poquoson River and saw a bull on an island...hence the name.Chrisfortier 21:30, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * This is the general consensus

I haven't heard that but it makes sense, thanks for replying.

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