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Audrain County, Missouri

Audrain County is a county located in the central part of the U.S. state of Missouri. As of the 2020 census, the population was 24,962. Its county seat is Mexico. The county was organized December 13, 1836, and named for Colonel James Hunter Audrain of the War of 1812 and who later was elected to the state legislature.

History
Audrain county was formed from a non-county area with portions under the administration of Montgomery, Callaway, Boone, Ralls, or Monroe counties at various times prior to its official establishment in 1836. Thus, records for locations now in Audrain prior to 1836 may indicate location in those counties instead. Some details have been summarized on the website of the Northeast Missouri Genealogy Village, and a dynamic map showing some of the changes is on the 'mapgeeks' website showing historical maps of the states of the United States. (See 'External Links' below.)

Today's Audrain County historical website data (see 'External Links' below) indicates that the county was divided about 50/50 during the historic US Civil War and that US Army Commander General Ulysses Grant was resident there briefly during that time. While Audrain county shared some history with neighboring counties, it does not border the Missouri River.

According to some Confederate historian publications, Audrain County was one of several nearby counties settled by migrants from the Upper South, especially Kentucky and Tennessee; that some brought slaves and slaveholding traditions with them, cultivating crops similar to those in Middle Tennessee and Kentucky such as hemp and tobacco, or brought antebellum architecture and culture; and that the county was considered by those historians to be in the heart of what was called "Little Dixie".

Geography
According to the United States Census Bureau, the county has a total area of 697 sqmi, of which 692 sqmi is land and 4.6 sqmi (0.7%) is water.

Adjacent counties

 * Monroe County (north)
 * Ralls County (northeast)
 * Pike County (east)
 * Montgomery County (southeast)
 * Callaway County (south)
 * Boone County (southwest)
 * Randolph County (northwest)

Major highways

 * [[Image:US 54.svg|20px]] U.S. Route 54
 * Business plate.svg US 54.svg U.S. Route 54 Business
 * [[Image:MO-15.svg|20px]] Route 15
 * [[Image:MO-19.svg|20px]] Route 19
 * [[Image:MO-22.svg|20px]] Route 22
 * [[Image:MO-151.svg|20px]] Route 151

Demographics
Audrain County comprises the Mexico, MO Micropolitan Statistical Area, which is included in the Columbia-Moberly-Mexico, MO Combined Statistical Area.

As of the census of 2010, there were 25,529 people, 9,844 households, and 6,762 families residing in the county. The population density was 37 PD/sqmi. There were 10,881 housing units at an average density of 16 /mi2. 89.8% of the population were White, 6.4% Black or African American, 0.5% Asian, 0.4% Native American, 1.2% of some other race and 1.7% of two or more races. 2.6% were Hispanic or Latino (of any race). 33.2% were of German, 16.0% American, 9.3% Irish and 8.4% English ancestry.

There were 9,844 households, out of which 31.40% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 55.20% were married couples living together, 9.90% had a female householder with no husband present, and 31.30% were non-families. 27.80% of all households were made up of individuals, and 13.40% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.43 and the average family size was 2.96.

In the county, the population was spread out, with 24.60% under the age of 18, 7.90% from 18 to 24, 28.20% from 25 to 44, 22.50% from 45 to 64, and 16.90% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 38 years. For every 100 females there were 84.20 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 78.70 males.

The median income for a household in the county was $32,057, and the median income for a family was $40,448. Males had a median income of $28,550 versus $20,712 for females. The per capita income for the county was $16,441. About 11.10% of families and 14.80% of the population were below the poverty line, including 23.30% of those under age 18 and 9.80% of those age 65 or over.

Religion
According to the Association of Religion Data Archives County Membership Report (2010), Audrain County is sometimes regarded as being on the northern edge of the Bible Belt, with evangelical Protestantism being the most predominant religion. The most predominant denominations among residents in Audrain County who adhere to a religion are Southern Baptists (36.07%), Roman Catholics (12.55%), and Christian Churches and Churches of Christ (8.09%).

Audrain County E-911 Joint Communications
Audrain County Joint Communications is the primary public safety answering point (PSAP) for Audrain County, and is responsible for handling incoming and outgoing communication from the public for assistance from law enforcement, fire, and medical personnel throughout Audrain County. Joint Communications is specifically responsible for receiving incoming 9-1-1 emergency telephone calls, and dispatching the appropriate personnel; receiving other non-emergency telephone calls and dispatching, routing, or messaging those calls to the correct personnel; entering information into, and inquiring information from the Missouri Uniform Law Enforcement System (MULES) and the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) crime databases; maintaining a detailed computerized log of requests received and dispatched; and keeping current on city and county geography, so that members may assist responding personnel in locating addresses.

Joint Communications is located at 1854 East Liberty Street in Vandiver Village, and serves a coverage area of 697 sqmi with a population of nearly 26,000 people. Staff includes 7 full-time Dispatchers, 2 part-time Dispatchers, 3 full-time Shift Supervisors, the Assistant 911 Director, and the 911 Director. There is a minimum of two Dispatchers on duty at all times to answer incoming and outgoing communications.

Upgrades to the communications equipment and computer software were made when Mexico Public Safety Dispatch and Audrain County Sheriff's Dispatch consolidated to form the Joint Communications Center in October 1999. These upgrades allowed for even better service to the county. At that time the Vandalia Police Department elected to continue to operate their communications center for the Vandalia Police Department, Vandalia Fire District, and Van-Far Ambulance District. Audrain County Joint Communications and Vandalia Communications acted as backup sites for each other, so if anything happened to one center there would be no disruption of service to the residents and visitors of Audrain County.

In February 2007, Joint Communications implemented an Emergency Medical Dispatch (EMD) program utilizing the protocol-based Medical Priority Dispatch System created by the National Academies of Emergency Dispatch. This program allows dispatchers to quickly and accurately determine the nature of an emergency medical call and prioritize it to allow for the most appropriate response. Joint Communications's dispatchers are trained to provide real-time instruction of CPR and other life-saving first aid while simultaneously dispatching Emergency Medical Service (EMS) professionals to the emergency. This reduces the time between the onset of symptoms and when basic aid is provided to the patient, thus increasing the patient's chances of survival in life-threatening emergencies.

Another equipment upgrade was completed in March 2007. This upgrade included new 9-1-1 equipment and a new telephone and radio voice recorder. These upgrades were necessary to keep current with the latest technology available. With the new 9-1-1 system dispatchers have quicker access to a caller's telephone and address data and it introduced a mapping system to automatically plot emergency calls on a map, allowing for a faster response by emergency personnel as dispatchers previously had to look up addresses on the map manually. The new 9-1-1 system also allows for upgrades to accommodate future telephone and communications technologies. The previous 9-1-1 system was unable to process telephone number and location information from cellular telephone calls, which created a problem in determining the location of an emergency if the caller is unable to speak. The new 9-1-1 system is compatible with cellular telephone and Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) technologies, and these services will be added to the Audrain County E-911 system as they become available.

On February 15, 2008, Audrain County Joint Communications assumed the communications responsibilities for the Vandalia Police Department, Vandalia Fire District and Van-Far Ambulance District. Ralls County E-911 was designated as the backup PSAP for Audrain County Joint Communications so if anything were to happen to the Joint Communications Center there would be no disruption of service to the residents and visitors of Audrain County.

In August 2008, Joint Communications Director Chris Hardin began the process of implementing Phase II wireless service to the Audrain County E-911 system. This process was expected to take several months, but after Phase II wireless service was implemented Joint Communications would be able to locate a caller when they called 911 from a cellular telephone.

Joint Communications became Wireless Phase II with AT&T Mobility (formerly Cingular Wireless) on March 3, 2009, and with US Cellular on March 16, 2009. The other cellular phone providers were expected to follow shortly.

Joint Communications became Wireless Phase II with Sprint Nextel on July 15, 2009, meaning that Joint Communications is now Wireless Phase II with all of the cellular phone providers officially serving Audrain County.

Emergency medical services

 * Audrain Ambulance District
 * Van-Far Ambulance District

Fire services

 * Farber Fire Department
 * Laddonia Fire Department
 * Little Dixie Fire Protection District
 * Martinsburg Fire Department
 * Mexico Public Safety Department
 * Vandalia Fire Department

Law enforcement

 * Audrain County Sheriff's Office
 * Farber Police Department
 * Martinsburg Police Department
 * Mexico Public Safety Department

Prison
The Women's Eastern Reception, Diagnostic and Correctional Center, a women's prison of the Missouri Department of Corrections, is located in Vandalia and in Audrain County.

Public schools

 * Community R-VI School District – Laddonia
 * Community Elementary School (PK-05)
 * Community High School (06-12)
 * Mexico School District No. 59 – Mexico
 * McMillan Early Learning Center (PK-K)
 * Hawthorne Elementary School (K-05)
 * Eugene Field Elementary School (K-05)
 * Mexico Middle School (06-08)
 * Mexico High School (09-12)
 * Van-Far R-I School District – Vandalia
 * Van-Far Elementary School (PK-06)
 * Van-Far High School (07-12)

Private schools

 * Sunnydale Seventh-day Adventist Elementary School – Centralia (02-09) – Seventh-day Adventist
 * St. Brendan School – Mexico (PK-08) – Roman Catholic
 * St. Joseph Elementary School – Martinsburg (K-09) – Roman Catholic
 * Missouri Military Academy – Mexico (07-12)

Public libraries

 * Mexico-Audrain County Library District

Cities

 * Centralia (mostly in Boone County)
 * Farber
 * Laddonia
 * Mexico (county seat)
 * Vandalia

Villages

 * Benton City
 * Martinsburg
 * Rush Hill
 * Vandiver

Unincorporated communities

 * Champ
 * Hollensville
 * Molino
 * Rowena
 * Saling
 * Skinner
 * Thompson
 * Tulip
 * Worcester

Townships
Audrain County is divided into eight townships:

 * Cuivre
 * Linn
 * Loutre
 * Prairie
 * Saling
 * Salt River
 * South Fork
 * Wilson

Notable people

 * Tom Bass, horse trainer
 * Cookie Belcher, former professional basketball player
 * Howard L. Bickley, Chief Justice of New Mexico
 * Kit Bond - U.S. Senator (R-Missouri) (1987-2011) and Governor of Missouri (1973-1977 & 1981–1985)
 * Jason Brookins, former NFL running back with the Baltimore Ravens
 * Pendleton Dudley, journalist and public relations
 * Charles Henry Hardin - Governor of Missouri (1875-1877) and co-founder of Beta Theta Pi fraternity
 * Anna J. Harrison - First female president of the American Chemical Society
 * Edward D. "Ted" Jones, broker
 * Howard Kindig, former Super Bowl winning NFL player
 * Tyronn Lue, head coach of the Los Angeles Clippers and former NBA player
 * Adolph John Paschang, Roman Catholic bishop
 * Prim Siripipat, television anchor
 * Lebbeus R. Wilfley, federal judge
 * Xenophon P. Wilfley, U.S. Senator (D-Missouri) (1918-1918)

Local
Politics are divided at the local level in Audrain County. Republicans hold a majority of the elected positions in the county.

State
All of Audrain County is currently included in Missouri's 43rd Legislative District and is currently represented by Kent Haden (R-Mexico) in the Missouri House of Representatives.

All of Audrain County is a part of Missouri's 10th District in the Missouri Senate and is currently represented by Jeanie Riddle (R-Mokane).

Federal
Most of Audrain County is included in Missouri's 4th Congressional District and is currently represented by Vicky Hartzler (R-Harrisonville) in the U.S. House of Representatives. Communities in Audrain County included in the 4th District include Mexico. Hartzler was elected to a sixth term in 2020 over Democratic challenger Lindsey Simmons.

Some of Audrain County is included in Missouri's 6th Congressional District and is currently represented by Sam Graves (R-Tarkio) in the U.S. House of Representatives. Communities in Audrain County included in the 6th District include Farber, Laddonia, and Vandalia. Graves was elected to an eleventh term in 2020 over Democratic challenger Gena Ross.

Audrain County, along with the rest of the state of Missouri, is represented in the U.S. Senate by Josh Hawley (R-Columbia) and Roy Blunt (R-Strafford).

Blunt was elected to a second term in 2016 over then-Missouri Secretary of State Jason Kander.

Political culture
At the presidential level, Audrain County has become solidly Republican in recent years. Audrain County strongly favored Donald Trump in both 2016 and 2020. Bill Clinton was the last Democratic presidential nominee to carry Audrain County in 1996 with a plurality of the vote, and a Democrat hasn't won majority support from the county's voters in a presidential election since Michael Dukakis in 1988.

Like most rural areas throughout Missouri, voters in Audrain County generally adhere to socially and culturally conservative principles which tend to influence their Republican leanings, at least on the state and national levels. Despite Audrain County's longstanding tradition of supporting socially conservative platforms, voters in the county have a penchant for advancing populist causes. In 2018, Missourians voted on a proposition (Proposition A) concerning right to work, the outcome of which ultimately reversed the right to work legislation passed in the state the previous year. 63.40% of Audrain County voters cast their ballots to overturn the law.

2020
The 2020 presidential primaries for both the Democratic and Republican parties were held in Missouri on March 10. On the Democratic side, former Vice President Joe Biden (D-Delaware) both won statewide and carried Audrain County by a wide margin. Biden went on to defeat President Donald Trump in the general election.

Incumbent President Donald Trump (R-Florida) faced a primary challenge from former Massachusetts Governor Bill Weld, but won both Audrain County and statewide by large margins.

2016
The 2016 presidential primaries for both the Republican and Democratic parties were held in Missouri on March 15. Businessman Donald Trump (R-New York) narrowly won the state overall, but Senator Ted Cruz (R-Texas) carried a plurality of the vote in Audrain County. Trump went on to win the nomination and the presidency.

On the Democratic side, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (D-New York) both won statewide and carried Audrain County by a small margin.

2012
The 2012 Missouri Republican Presidential Primary's results were nonbinding on the state's national convention delegates. Voters in Audrain County supported former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pennsylvania), who finished first in the state at large, but eventually lost the nomination to former Governor Mitt Romney (R-Massachusetts). Delegates to the congressional district and state conventions were chosen at a county caucus, which selected a delegation favoring Santorum. Incumbent President Barack Obama easily won the Missouri Democratic Primary and renomination. He defeated Romney in the general election.

2008
In 2008, the Missouri Republican Presidential Primary was closely contested, with Senator John McCain (R-Arizona) prevailing and eventually winning the nomination.

Then-Senator Hillary Clinton (D-New York) received more votes than any candidate from either party in Audrain County during the 2008 presidential primary. Despite initial reports that Clinton had won Missouri, Barack Obama (D-Illinois), also a Senator at the time, narrowly defeated her statewide and later became that year's Democratic nominee, going on to win the presidency.

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Atchison County, Missouri

Atchison County is the northwesternmost county in the U.S. state of Missouri. As of the 2020 census, the county had a population of 5,305. Its county seat is Rock Port. It was originally known as Allen County when it was detached from Holt County in 1843. The county was officially organized on February 14, 1845, and named for U.S. Senator David Rice Atchison from Missouri.

Geography
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the county has a total area of 550 sqmi, of which 547 sqmi is land and 2.8 sqmi (0.5%) is water.

Atchison's western boundary for the most part is the Missouri River and Nebraska. An 1867 flood straightened a bend in the river north of Watson. Both Nebraska and Missouri claimed the 5,000 acre McKissick Island that extends almost two miles into Atchison County. The Supreme Court in 1904 decided that the land belongs to Nebraska. The only way Nebraskans can reach it by road is to cross the Missouri River and then travel through Missouri.

The State Line Slough (Missouri) stream is in Atchison County.

Adjacent counties

 * Fremont County, Iowa (north)
 * Page County, Iowa (northeast)
 * Nodaway County (east)
 * Holt County (south)
 * Richardson County, Nebraska (southwest)
 * Nemaha County, Nebraska (west)
 * Otoe County, Nebraska (northwest)

Major highways

 * Interstate 29
 * U.S. Route 59
 * U.S. Route 136
 * U.S. Route 275
 * Route 46
 * Route 111

Transit

 * Jefferson Lines

Demographics
As of the census of 2000, there were 6,430 people, 2,722 households, and 1,777 families residing in the county. The population density was 12 /mi2. There were 3,103 housing units at an average density of 6 /mi2. The racial makeup of the county was 97.00% White, 2.05% Black or African American, 0.19% Native American, 0.14% Asian, 0.31% from other races, and 0.31% from two or more races. Approximately 0.67% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

There were 2,722 households, out of which 26.60% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 55.80% were married couples living together, 6.10% had a female householder with no husband present, and 34.70% were non-families. 31.50% of all households were made up of individuals, and 17.60% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.25 and the average family size was 2.82.

In the county, the population was spread out, with 24.10% under the age of 18, 6.50% from 18 to 24, 24.20% from 25 to 44, 24.20% from 45 to 64, and 21.10% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 42 years. For every 100 females there were 99.30 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 91.90 males.

The median income for a household in the county was $30,959, and the median income for a family was $38,279. Males had a median income of $27,468 versus $18,855 for females. The per capita income for the county was $16,956. About 9.30% of families and 11.60% of the population were below the poverty line, including 13.70% of those under age 18 and 12.40% of those age 65 or over.

Religion
According to the Association of Religion Data Archives County Membership Report (2010), Atchison County is sometimes regarded as being on the northern edge of the Bible Belt, although mainline Protestantism is the most predominant religion. The most predominant denominations among residents in Atchison County who adhere to a religion are United Methodists (29.93%), Lutherans (LCMC) (22.16%), and Southern Baptists (14.33%).

Public schools

 * Fairfax R-III School District – Fairfax
 * Fairfax Elementary School (PK-06)
 * Fairfax High School (07-12)
 * Rock Port R-II School District – Rock Port
 * Rock Port Elementary School (K-06)
 * Rock Port High School (07-12)
 * Tarkio R-I School District – Tarkio
 * Tarkio Elementary School (PK-06)
 * Tarkio High School (07-12)

Private schools

 * Tarkio Academy – Tarkio (07-12) – Nonsectarian (All Boys) - closed

Public libraries

 * Atchison County Library

Cities

 * Fairfax
 * Rock Port (county seat)
 * Tarkio
 * Westboro

Village

 * Watson

Unincorporated communities

 * Blanchard
 * Dotham
 * Langdon
 * Linden
 * Milton
 * Phelps City
 * York

Townships
Atchison County is divided into 11 townships:

Notable people

 * Michael J. Burg - Actor
 * Zel Fischer - Missouri Supreme Court Justice
 * Sam Graves - U.S. Representative for Missouri's 6th Congressional District

Local
The Republican Party controls politics at the local level in Atchison County. Republicans hold all but two of the elected positions in the county.

State
All of Atchison County is a part of Missouri's 1st District in the Missouri House of Representatives and is represented by Jeff Farnan (R-Stanberry).

All of Atchison County is a part of Missouri's 12th District in the Missouri Senate and is currently represented by Rusty Black (R-Chillicothe).

Federal
All of Atchison County is included in Missouri's 6th Congressional District and is currently represented by Sam Graves (R-Tarkio) in the U.S. House of Representatives. Graves was elected to a twelfth term in 2022 over Democratic challenger Henry Martin.

Atchison County, along with the rest of the state of Missouri, is represented in the U.S. Senate by Josh Hawley (R-Columbia) and Eric Schmitt (R-Glendale).

Blunt was elected to a second term in 2016 over then-Missouri Secretary of State Jason Kander.

Political culture
At the presidential level, Atchison County is solidly Republican. Atchison County strongly favored Donald Trump in both 2016 and 2020. Bill Clinton was the last Democratic presidential nominee to carry Atchison County in 1992 with a plurality of the vote, and a Democrat hasn't won majority support from the county's voters in a presidential election since Lyndon Johnson in 1964.

Like most rural areas throughout northwest Missouri, voters in Atchison County generally adhere to socially and culturally conservative principles which tend to influence their Republican leanings. In 2018, Missourians voted on a proposition (Proposition A) concerning right to work, the outcome of which ultimately reversed the right to work legislation passed in the state the previous year. However, 57.61% of Atchison County voters cast their ballots to keep the law.

2020
The 2020 presidential primaries for both the Democratic and Republican parties were held in Missouri on March 10. On the Democratic side, former Vice President Joe Biden (D-Delaware) both won statewide and carried Atchison County by a wide margin. Biden went on to defeat President Donald Trump in the general election.

Incumbent President Donald Trump (R-Florida) faced a primary challenge from former Massachusetts Governor Bill Weld, but won both Atchison County and statewide by large margins.

2016
The 2016 presidential primaries for both the Republican and Democratic parties were held in Missouri on March 15. Businessman Donald Trump (R-New York) narrowly won the state overall and carried a plurality of the vote in Atchison County. He went on to win the presidency.

On the Democratic side, Senator Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) carried Atchison County, but former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (D-New York) won statewide by a small margin. Clinton won the nomination that year.

2012
The 2012 Missouri Republican Presidential Primary's results were nonbinding on the state's national convention delegates. Voters in Atchison County supported former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pennsylvania), who finished first in the state at large, but eventually lost the nomination to former Governor Mitt Romney (R-Massachusetts). Delegates to the congressional district and state conventions were chosen at a county caucus, which selected a delegation favoring Santorum. Incumbent President Barack Obama easily won the Missouri Democratic Primary and renomination. He defeated Romney in the general election.

2008
In 2008, the Missouri Republican Presidential Primary was closely contested, with Senator John McCain (R-Arizona) prevailing and eventually winning the nomination.

Then-Senator Hillary Clinton (D-New York) received more votes than any candidate from either party in Atchison County during the 2008 presidential primary. Despite initial reports that Clinton had won Missouri, Barack Obama (D-Illinois), also a Senator at the time, narrowly defeated her statewide and later became that year's Democratic nominee, going on to win the presidency.

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Talk:Tottenham/Archive 1

Grime
Grime? Mentioned before Tottenham Hotspurs Football Club? Surely this is some kind of joke.

Somebody trying to earn a bit of publicity for themselves methinks. I live in Tottenham and I've never heard of this Music genre or the people mentioned. Why does this information feature so highly in the article?

If there are no objections I will delete this section as it is irrelevant to the area of Tottenham.

 * sure, if you think it's a spam.. then delete it. I only left it there because I wasn't sure as I'm not so up-to-date with the area. To be quite honest I was waiting for someone to mention it.--I've deleted it - but if anyone has a problem with that, we can always restore it. IsarSteve 20:41, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm quite happy to start adding references to the countless muggings that began to happen in Tottenham in the 1970s - anyone object? Tottenhamlad 22:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

 * and it's not moronic to add Grime music to the Tottenham page.. There happens to be a page on it on Wiki..most of the people that are involved in it are also Born and bred in Tottenham... Know what I mean mate.. --IsarSteve 00:49, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

 * OK. Here is what I am going to do. I am going to bring back the Grime bit but as part of a section on the local music scene. That way it can be expanded to include other musical styles. I am going to link the main Grime musicians from that and not from the list of notable residents. I hope this is satisfactory to everybody. Personally I can't stand Urban Music but that is not the point. It exists. It has been noted externaly to Wikipedia. It is related to Tottenham. You don't have to like it to see why it reasonable for it to be mentioned. --DanielRigal 15:22, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I see that somebody just reverted me while I was trying to make these changes. I don't like the way that this is turning into an edit war! I have now completed the changes. Grime is back but it is lower down the page and in a cultural section, where I think it belongs. If anybody still thinks it is wrong then please discuss why here. In the meantime, I suggest that people add other cultural elements to the Culture section so that it is clear that there is other culture in Tottenham than Grime. --DanielRigal 15:46, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Considering 'Tottenham', the settlement not the name, exisited before the Roman invasion I dare say that many things have come and gone from Tottenham in that time. The entry on Tottenham is smallish so why should there be a reference to a current 'musical fad' of importance to only those involved with it?

 * I suggest a link from the 'Grime' entry to Tottenham, but no link in the opposite direction. --Tottenhamlad 15:57, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I think there are different rules for what is "notable now" and "notable forever". I think that it is unlikely that Grime will be on this page in 100 years time, but it is a notable element of Tottenham's culture right now and I think that is enough to grant it a little coverage. For all we know Grime might turn out to be genuinely important in the long term. I doubt it but we are not yet in a position to know. If we follow your logic then we would remove all references to all modern popular culture from the article on the grounds that it is unlikely to be of very long lasting interest. If you think the reference to Grime is too great a proportion of the article then I think that the best solution is for the article to be expanded to include more about the history and culture of Tottenham so that all elements are covered in adequate depth. Grime is now cut down to a single paragraph. Where is the harm in that? --DanielRigal 16:19, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

 * There may be a link, in some peoples minds, between 'Grime' and Tottenham but I note there is no reference to Tottenham in the 'Grime' entry. Once again I would suggest that Tottenham may be important to 'Grime', and hence there could be a link from 'Grime' to Tottenham: but 'Grime' is not important to the two thousand year history of Tottenham, so why should there be an entry on 'Grime' within the entry about Tottenham?
 * I was under the impression that Wikipedia was an on-line collaborative encyclopedia and not a current affairs magazine for 'youth' culture. Tottenhamlad 23:03, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

 * OK. There are some fair points there, although I disagree that the presence of a section of current cultural activities undermines the History section. What I am going to do now is ask for help on the Talk:Grime page and see what they think over there. --DanielRigal 00:17, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, directed here from the request on Talk:Grime. JME and Skepta are indeed notable artists, and from Tottenham, and thus the Boy Betta Know label, which is also fairly notable, is based in Tottenham. Tottenham is one of various places that Grime is made and is popular and influential on local youth culture, but I don't know enough about Tottenham to advise on how important Grime is compared to other aspects of its cultural life. As to the passage in question in the music section, I would replace it with: "The urban music genre of Grime has local influence in Tottenham. It is home to several recording and production outfits, spearheaded by JME and Skepta, with their Boy Better Know label." Since the genre is almost by definition an almost entirely amateur one, most of the artists involved with it won't have wikipedia articles. This does not mean the culture is not important in Tottenham. Jdcooper 06:40, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with you Daniel and I think it's OK to list Grime under the sub-section Culture, BUT I still think Grime Music has something to do with Today's Tottenham, refelecting as it does Tottenham in 2007. Therefore a mention (It doesn't have to be a tome) should also be made there. Currently Grime can only be seen as a passing "musical fad" but who knows how things will develop. --IsarSteve 10:45, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I don't really want to repeat myself but:
 * "I was under the impression that Wikipedia was an on-line collaborative encyclopedia and not a current affairs magazine for 'youth' culture."
 * I've looked at the entries for surrounding boroughs and notice that they all start of with the History section.
 * Also when population make-up is mentioned it is is within the section Demographics.
 * Lastly what exactly does the wording Tottenham is a multicultural hotspot mean? I'd suggest this is not NPOV as it implies an approval of multiculturalism and immigration.
 * Therefore I'm intending to:
 * -Make history the first section.
 * -Move mentions of population make-up (all of which need citation) into a Demographics section.
 * -Remove Tottenham is a multicultural hotspot and associated POV wording.
 * Tottenhamlad 16:56, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

 * You don't have to repeat yourself. We've all read through the lines of what you write. Tottenham IS a multi-culti hotspot (not my entry) and it would be illusory and ludicrous to deny it, but perhaps you enjoy denying events in the past? You write "I was under the impression that Wikipedia was an on-line collaborative encyclopedia That's correct... but where are the entries of the supporters of your views?? --IsarSteve 09:28, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

 * multi-culti hotspot sounds like something you'd find in a trendy listings magazine targeting middle class readers. What exactly is it meant to mean?
 * ' but where are the entries of the supporters of your views?? ' - collaboration can be between those of differing views; I just want the Wikipedia entry on Tottenham to be as NPOV as possible, and with all lines such as Tottenham probably has the largest "Jamaican population" as a percentage in the United Kingdom. to have some sort of reference.
 * Tottenhamlad 11:09, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Jessie Wallace
There is no mention of Tottenham in the article about Jessie Wallace. What is the connection? Coyets 17:52, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Public transport
The Piccadilly Line has been deleted from the list of railways in the History of the railways of Tottenham sub-section of the History section of Tottenham because it does not run through Tottenham. However, the sentence The Piccadilly Line, which opened in 1932 has one station Turnpike Lane which was the first Underground station within the Tottenham Borough boundaries. has been left in the Public Transport sub-section of the Today section. This is the wrong way round. According to the Wiki article, Turnpike Lane tube station used to be within the Tottenham Borough boundaries. So the reference to the Piccadilly Line should have been kept within the History of the railways of Tottenham sub-section of the History section, and removed from the Public Transport sub-section of the Today section. Coyets 11:07, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

 * I'll revert it to save an edit war as it's an arguable point - Langham Road formed the boundary between Tottenham and Hornsey, and Westbury Avenue/Turnpike Lane the southern boundary of Wood Green (easiest to see on a map showing postcode boundaries, as N22 follows Wood Green, N8 Hornsey and N15 Tottenham). Because of this, although the station building itself was in Hornsey, the exits led onto all three boroughs —  irides cent   (talk to me!)  14:33, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

 * It's quite complicated, but I'll think you'll find the address of Turnpike Lane station is Langham Road, London N.15 (Tottenham) and by the way, the station Buildings were not on Hornsey Territory at all. The whole of Ducketts Common was in the Borough of Tottenham. The Hornsey /Tottenham boundary did not follow eactly the postcode areas, but ran close to Green Lanes at the Harringay end but was more westerly at Turnpike Lane.

Ref: Bartholomew's Reference Atlas of Greater London (11th edition 1961).--IsarSteve 14:55, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Harringay Arena
Stadium and Arena were never part of Tottenham (Town). They were part of the borough, but not the town, They are covered on Harringay page. Mind if I delete them from this page? hjuk 23:00, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Tottenham Town vs Former Municipal Borough
Just realised maybe what the issue is re Arena etc. This page seems to mix "Town" and former Borough. There's already a page on the former borough. I just added it to the disambig page. This article refers to districts of the former mun borough. Some stuff needs transferring to former mun brg page - happy to do that if the lead editor on this page (if there is one) doesn't want to. hjuk 23:07, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I noticed the deletion of Tottenham from the Harringay pages and have made a comment there about it. I'm happy for you to do it as you know the current situation better than I do. But as I mentioned on Harringay, I hope your reasons for doing it are "honourable"--IsarSteve 11:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Historically, Harringay and Tottenham were connected and I would be happy to see "just" a mention in the Historical section.

 * I am prepared to accept that the deletion of Harringay from the Tottenham page may mirror todays Tottenham, of which I know too little, as I have lived outside the UK for over twenty years.

Lastly I never remember Tottenham being referred to as a "Town". Although there may have been an amatuer Football team with that name. Tottenham was always a very proud and "upright Borough" and some might argue that its decline has something to do with the merger with the other Haringey constituent Boroughs, who would probably both argue the same point. "Haringey" is the problem!! --IsarSteve 11:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree re "Town". I just used that to distinguish it from the borough. I think Wikispeak is "urban area" - but I mean the same thing. As for my reasons for the change, I hope they're what you'd think of as honourable. It's just around clarity. Harringay ain't in Tottenham. It was in the 'Borough of..' and I've made that clear in the running-away-with-itself history. But today, I don't think anyone would consider it as being in Tottenham in any sense. An expat, eh. Hope you're somewhere with weather a darn sigt better than we're getting in blighty this summer. hjuk 19:14, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Neighbouring Areas
Ya got me all paranoid now Steve. Just deleted Haringey as a neighbouring area - hope you agree - it's in it not near it. Then I was going to delete Hornsey and Fins Pk, co for my money they're not neighbouring to Tottenham today - they were to the borough.....but hey...What do you think? hjuk 19:50, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Haringey is the name of the borough so yes that's fine, but Harringay does neighbour Tottenham. Anywikiuser (talk) 17:06, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

The Town Hall
The caption for the image says: The old Tottenham town hall, now Haringey Council offices. (November 2005). I thought the Haringey Council were based in Wood Green. Is this incorrect? Anywikiuser (talk) 17:06, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

 * The council's head offices are Wood Green Civic Centre, but they have offices all over the borough - Tottenham & Hornsey town halls, a big block at the junction of Lordship Lane/Tottenham High Road etc. —  iride  scent  17:11, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

 * The Old Town Hall offices are still in use by Haringey Council see here Tmol42 (talk) 17:17, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

 * My mistake. Anywikiuser (talk) 17:29, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Copyright Infringement?
http://www.rudi.net/pages/16383 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.234.8.28 (talk) 21:41, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You'll have to give us some kind of clue. I can't see any copyvio there. Are you saying we've violated them, or they've violated us? – iride  scent  21:51, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The provider of the photo is recorded as Fin Fahey who has a whole collection of such images on Flickr here but not this one. Its just as likely he provided the image to rudi also Tmol42 (talk) 22:09, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Steffen Freund
I would like to gather other editors' opinions on the inclusion of a section on Steffen Freund. The section I added regarding him has just been removed and I suggest that this should be undone.

Freund is well respected worldwide as a footballer, celebrity and humanitarian. Much of his fame developed during his exploits at "The Lane." Surely we owe it to Tottenham's most famous resident to include a section on him? Comments welcome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.230.233 (talk) 22:26, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

 * No, because he already has an article about him. We don't want to give a shorter, less complete outline about him here (which would duplicate what was in his own article) when it is easier and more useful just to link to his existing article and let people read it in full, if they want to. Notice that this is the same as the way we treat all the other notable residents. --DanielRigal (talk) 22:35, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

When I said "Other editors" I meant editors other than the one that removed my comment. I think I gathered your opinion on Tottenham's greatest resident. I hardly think that other editors will agree with you though. 79.72.230.233 (talk) 22:44, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

 * I've removed him from the "Individuals associated with Tottenham" section as well. Freund is no more associated with Tottenham as a geographical area than any other long-ish term THFC player, of which there are thousands; he doesn't live in the area (or the country, for that matter), wasn't born in the area, and had no particular impact on the area. You'll note we don't include Venables, Lineker, Klinsmann, Hoddle, Gascoigne… –  iride scent  22:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Ooops. Sorry. I just assumed that he must be a resident as he was being referred to as one. After all, residence of Tottenham is not something many people would want to claim spuriously. ;-) --DanielRigal (talk) 23:08, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

the other Tottenham
Good stuff about Tottenham UK but is anybody aware of Tottenham Australia. Yes, Tottenham (population200) is located in central western New South Wales and is actually the geographical centre of the state. Get that up you, you pommies.Crebert116 (talk) 12:55, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

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Andrew County, Missouri

Andrew County is a county located in the northwestern part of the U.S. state of Missouri. As of the 2020 census, the county had a population of 18,135. Its county seat is Savannah. The county was organized January 29, 1841, and named for Andrew Jackson Davis, a lawyer and prominent citizen of St. Louis.

Andrew County is part of the St. Joseph, MOKS Metropolitan Statistical Area, which is included in the Kansas City, MOKS Combined statistical area.

History
The following material is inscribed on a plaque erected by the State Historical Society of Missouri and State Highway Commission in 1960, now located by the Andrew County Courthouse:

Andrew County, organized 1841, is one of six counties in the Indian Platte Purchase Territory annexed to Missouri in 1837. Named for Andrew Jackson Davis, a St. Louis editor, the county was first settled in the middle 1830s. Pioneers were from Ohio, Indiana, Tennessee, Kentucky, Virginia, and other parts of Missouri.

Savannah, the county seat, was laid out in 1841. First briefly called Union, it was renamed for Savannah, Georgia. The Platte County Railroad (CB&Q) reached there in 1860, and today's Chicago, Great Western in the late 1880s. The town grew as a shipping point and trading center in the post Civil War era.

Divided during the Civil War, Andrew County sent troops to both sides. In August 1861, 1,500 soldiers from Andrew County and other counties joined the pro-Southern Missouri State Guard at Camp Highly in eastern Andrew County while others joined a large Union cap in adjacent Gentry County. In 1861, Union troops seized "Northwest Democrat," a pro-Southern newspaper, in Savannah and troops from Camp Highly seized the "Plain Dealer," a Union newspaper. Raiding guerrilla bands overran the county through 1863.

Andrew County's glacial plains support fertile livestock, grain, and fruit farms. The One Hundred and Two River, along with the Platte River, are located in the county. Its western border is formed by the Nodaway and Missouri rivers. In 1804 the Lewis and Clark Expedition camped on an island at the mouth of the Nodaway River. Members of fur trader W. Price Hunt's 1811 Astorian expedition wintered near the river's mouth as well.

Among the towns located in Andrew County are Amazonia, once on the Missouri River, now inland, laid out in 1857 near the site of Nodaway City, an early river port; Fillmore, established in 1845; Whitesville, established in 1848; Rochester, established in 1848; Bolckow, established in 1868; Rosendale, established in 1869; Rea, established in 1877; Helena, established in 1878; and Cosby, established in 1882.

The Andrew County Museum & Historical Society celebrates the history of Andrew County through exhibits, programs, publications, and special events. The museum and society collects, preserves, researches, and interprets documents and artifacts to promote the appreciation and preservation of the county's history and bring history to life in Andrew County.

Geography
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the county has a total area of 436 sqmi, of which 433 sqmi is land and 3.7 sqmi (0.9%) is water.

Adjacent counties

 * Nodaway County (north)
 * Gentry County (northeast)
 * DeKalb County (east)
 * Buchanan County (south)
 * Doniphan County, Kansas (southwest)
 * Holt County (west)

Major highways

 * [[Image:I-29 (MO).svg|20px]] Interstate 29
 * [[Image:I-229 (MO).svg|20px]] Interstate 229
 * [[Image:US 59.svg|20px]] U.S. Route 59
 * [[Image:US 71.svg|20px]] U.S. Route 71
 * [[Image:US 169.svg|20px]] U.S. Route 169
 * [[Image:MO-48.svg|20px]] Route 48

Demographics
As of the census of 2000, there were 16,492 people, 6,273 households, and 4,635 families residing in the county. The population density was 38 PD/sqmi. There were 6,662 housing units at an average density of 15 /mi2. The racial makeup of the county was 98.38% White, 0.42% Black or African American, 0.34% Native American, 0.22% Asian, 0.01% Pacific Islander, 0.18% from other races, and 0.45% from two or more races. Approximately 0.84% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

There were 6,273 households, out of which 34.50% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 62.70% were married couples living together, 7.40% had a female householder with no husband present, and 26.10% were non-families. 22.30% of all households were made up of individuals, and 10.50% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.59 and the average family size was 3.03.

In the county, the population was spread out, with 26.40% under the age of 18, 7.90% from 18 to 24, 27.60% from 25 to 44, 23.70% from 45 to 64, and 14.40% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 38 years. For every 100 females, there were 95.00 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 93.00 males.

The median income for a household in the county was $40,688, and the median income for a family was $46,067. Males had a median income of $32,955 versus $22,586 for females. The per capita income for the county was $19,375. About 6.40% of families and 8.20% of the population were below the poverty line, including 10.50% of those under age 18 and 8.00% of those age 65 or over.

Religion
According to the Association of Religion Data Archives County Membership Report (2010), Andrew County is sometimes regarded as being on the northern edge of the Bible Belt, with evangelical Protestantism being the most predominant religion. The most predominant denominations among residents in Andrew County who adhere to a religion are Southern Baptists (38.62%), United Methodists (21.14%), and Disciples of Christ (9.86%).

Public schools

 * Avenue City R-IX School District – Cosby
 * Avenue City Elementary School (PK-08)
 * North Andrew County R-VI School District – Rosendale
 * North Andrew County Elementary School (K-05)
 * North Andrew County Middle School (06-08)
 * North Andrew County High School (09-12)
 * Savannah R-III School District – Savannah
 * Savannah Early Learning Center (PK)
 * Amazonia Elementary School (K-05)
 * Helena Elementary School (K-05)
 * John Glenn Elementary School (K-05)
 * Minnie Cline Elementary School (K-05)
 * Savannah Middle School (06-08)
 * Savannah High School (09-12)

Public libraries

 * Rolling Hills Consolidated Library—Savannah Branch

Cities

 * Bolckow
 * Fillmore
 * Rea
 * Rosendale
 * Savannah (county seat)
 * St. Joseph (Partial)

Villages

 * Amazonia
 * Cosby
 * Country Club

Unincorporated communities

 * Avenue City
 * Flag Springs
 * Fountainbleau
 * Helena
 * Kodiak
 * Nodaway
 * Rankin
 * Rochester
 * Whitesville
 * Wythe

Townships
Andrew County is divided into 10 townships:

 * Benton
 * Clay
 * Empire
 * Jackson
 * Jefferson
 * Lincoln
 * Monroe
 * Nodaway
 * Platte
 * Rochester

Local
Republicans control politics at the local level in Andrew County. They hold every elected position in the county.

State
All of Andrew County is a part of Missouri's 9th District in the Missouri House of Representatives and is represented by Dean Van Schoiack (R-Savannah).

All of Andrew County is a part of Missouri's 12th District in the Missouri Senate and is currently represented by Dan Hegemen (R-Cosby).

Federal
All of Andrew County is included in Missouri's 6th Congressional District and is currently represented by Sam Graves (R-Tarkio) in the U.S. House of Representatives. Graves was elected to an eleventh term in 2020 over Democratic challenger Gena Ross.

Andrew County, along with the rest of the state of Missouri, is represented in the U.S. Senate by Josh Hawley (R-Columbia) and Roy Blunt (R-Strafford).

Blunt was elected to a second term in 2016 over then-Missouri Secretary of State Jason Kander.

Political culture
At the presidential level, Andrew County is solidly Republican. Andrew County strongly favored Donald Trump in both 2016 and 2020. Bill Clinton was the last Democratic presidential nominee to carry Andrew County in 1992 with a plurality of the vote, and a Democrat hasn't won majority support from the county's voters in a presidential election since Lyndon Johnson in 1964.

Like most rural areas throughout northwest Missouri, voters in Andrew County generally adhere to socially and culturally conservative principles which tend to influence their Republican leanings. Despite Andrew County's longstanding tradition of supporting socially conservative platforms, voters in the county have a penchant for advancing populist causes. In 2018, Missourians voted on a proposition (Proposition A) concerning right to work, the outcome of which ultimately reversed the right to work legislation passed in the state the previous year. 67.18% of Andrew County voters cast their ballots to overturn the law.

2020
The 2020 presidential primaries for both the Democratic and Republican parties were held in Missouri on March 10. On the Democratic side, former Vice President Joe Biden (D-Delaware) both won statewide and carried Andrew County by a wide margin. Biden went on to defeat President Donald Trump in the general election.

Incumbent President Donald Trump (R-Florida) faced a primary challenge from former Massachusetts Governor Bill Weld, but won both Andrew County and statewide by large margins.

2016
The 2016 presidential primaries for both the Republican and Democratic parties were held in Missouri on March 15. Businessman Donald Trump (R-New York) narrowly won the state and Andrew County. He went on to win the presidency.

On the Democratic side, Senator Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) won Andrew County, but former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (D-New York) won statewide by a small margin.

2012
The 2012 Missouri Republican Presidential Primary's results were nonbinding on the state's national convention delegates. Voters in Andrew County supported former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pennsylvania), who finished first in the state at large, but eventually lost the nomination to former Governor Mitt Romney (R-Massachusetts). Delegates to the congressional district and state conventions were chosen at a county caucus, which selected a delegation favoring Santorum. Incumbent President Barack Obama easily won the Missouri Democratic Primary and renomination. He defeated Romney in the general election.

2008
In 2008, the Missouri Republican Presidential Primary was closely contested, with Senator John McCain (R-Arizona) prevailing and eventually winning the nomination. However, former Governor Mitt Romney (R-Massachusetts) carried Andrew County

Then-Senator Hillary Clinton (D-New York) received more votes than any candidate from either party in Andrew County during the 2008 presidential primary. Despite initial reports that Clinton had won Missouri, Barack Obama (D-Illinois), also a Senator at the time, narrowly defeated her statewide and later became that year's Democratic nominee, going on to win the presidency.

Notable people

 * Nellie Tayloe Ross, the first female Governor of Wyoming (1925-1927) and first elected female Governor of any state in the United States, as well as the first female director of the U.S. Mint
 * Joseph K. Toole (1851-1929), the first Governor of Montana and member of the Democratic Party
 * John P. Altgeld, Governor of Illinois from 1893 to 1897, lived in Savannah
 * Eminem, American rapper, lived in Savannah and attended middle school there

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Adair County, Missouri

Adair County is a county located in the northeastern part of the U.S. state of Missouri. The population census for 2020 was 25,314. As of July 1, 2021, the U.S. Census Bureau's Population Estimates for the county is 25,185, a -0.5% change. Adair county seat is Kirksville. The county was first settled by immigrants from Kentucky and organized on January 29, 1841. Adair County comprises the Kirksville, MO Micropolitan Statistical Area.

History
The first permanent settlement in Adair County began in 1828. Many of the first settlers were from Adair County in Kentucky, for which the Missouri county was named. The county in Kentucky was named for John Adair, a respected Governor of Kentucky. This was 25 years after the Louisiana Purchase, seven years after Missouri was granted statehood, and four years after the Sac and Fox Native American tribes surrendered their claims to the land. The original settlement was called "Cabins of White Folks," or simply, "The Cabins," and was located 6 mi west of present-day Kirksville along the Chariton River.

The Big Neck War: In July 1829, a large party of Iowa (or Ioway) Native Americans, led by Chief Big Neck, returned to their former hunting grounds in violation of treaty. One of the Ioway's dogs killed a pig, and some tribe members threatened (or insulted, according to some sources) the white women. The settlers sent messengers south to Randolph and Macon counties asking for help. Captain William Trammell responded with a party of some two dozen men to help. By the time of their arrival, the Ioways had left the area and moved up the Chariton into what is now Schuyler County. Trammell's force, augmented by several of the men from The Cabins, pursued and engaged the Ioway at a place called Battle Creek, killing several Native Americans including Big Neck's brother, sister-in-law, and their child. The Trammell party lost three men in the skirmish, including Captain Trammell himself, and one additional casualty died of his wounds shortly afterward. The surviving whites returned to the cabins, collected the women and children, and headed south for the Randolph County settlement of Huntsville. Later, a group of militia under General John B. Clark pursued and apprehended Big Neck and his braves, capturing them in March 1830. Several of them soon escaped from jail and fled to the current state of Iowa; however, Big Neck himself and the remainder were put on trial by a grand jury convened in Randolph County. The jury found on March 31, 1830, that: "After examining all the witnesses, and maturely considering the charges for which these Iowa Indians are now in confinement, we find them not guilty, and they are at once discharged." The acquittal of Big Neck seemed to have brought the war to a peaceful, if uneasy, conclusion. A few months later, white settlers returned to The Cabins in greater numbers than before, and this time to stay permanently. The outbreak of the Blackhawk War in 1832 again caused consternation among the early settlers although all fighting was hundreds of miles away in present-day Illinois and Wisconsin. To ease fears in the area, militia units were dispatched and two small forts were constructed. One, Fort Clark, was located on high ground adjacent to The Cabins. Several miles to the northeast, another detachment of troops established Fort Matson. After months of no hostile Native American activity in the Adair County area, both forts were abandoned. The site of Fort Clark is now marked by a large boulder and plaque, while the Fort Matson site was later the location for a church and its name corrupted to Fort Madison (not to be confused with the Iowa city). The Fort Matson/Madison Cemetery still remains.

Courthouse
The Adair County courthouse is a three-story Romanesque structure in the center of the Kirksville city square that was completed in 1899. The architect was Robert G. Kirsch who would later also design the courthouses for Carroll, Polk, Vernon, and Cooper counties. The county had no dedicated courthouse from 1865 until 1899, operating out of temporary rented quarters on or near the square. The county voters finally approved a $50,000 bond issue in 1897 to build the current courthouse after four failed attempts between 1872 and 1896. The courthouse was placed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1978.

Geography
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the county has a total area of 569 sqmi, of which 567 sqmi is land and 2.1 sqmi (0.4%) is water.

Rivers

 * Floyd Creek

Adjacent counties

 * Putnam County (northwest)
 * Schuyler County (north)
 * Scotland County (northeast)
 * Knox County (east)
 * Macon County (south)
 * Linn County (southwest)
 * Sullivan County (west)

Major highways

 * [[Image:US 63.svg|20px]] U.S. Route 63
 * [[Image:MO-3.svg|20px]] Route 3
 * [[Image:MO-6.svg|20px]] Route 6
 * [[Image:MO-11.svg|20px]] Route 11
 * [[Image:MO-149.svg|20px]] Route 149

Transit

 * Kirk-Tran

Railroads

 * BNSF Railway

Demographics
As of the census of 2000, there were 24,977 people, 9,669 households, and 5,346 families residing in the county. The population density was 44 PD/sqmi. There were 10,826 housing units at an average density of 19 /mi2. The racial makeup of the county was 95.82% White, 1.20% Black or African American, 0.26% Native American, 1.39% Asian, 0.05% Pacific Islander, 0.41% from other races, and 0.88% from two or more races. Approximately 1.26% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

There were 9,669 households, out of which 25.20% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 45.50% were married couples living together, 7.20% had a female householder with no husband present, and 44.70% were non-families. 31.50% of all households were made up of individuals, and 10.50% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.29 and the average family size was 2.90.

In the county, the population was spread out, with 19.20% under the age of 18, 27.40% from 18 to 24, 22.80% from 25 to 44, 18.40% from 45 to 64, and 12.30% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 28 years. For every 100 females, there were 88.20 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 84.50 males.

The median income for a household in the county was $26,677, and the median income for a family was $38,085. Males had a median income of $26,323 versus $21,837 for females. The per capita income for the county was $15,484. About 11.90% of families and 23.30% of the population were below the poverty line, including 16.80% of those under age 18 and 12.00% of those age 65 or over.

Religion
According to the Association of Religion Data Archives County Membership Report (2010), Adair County is sometimes regarded as being on the northern edge of the Bible Belt, with evangelical Protestantism being the most predominant religion. The most predominant denominations among residents in Adair County who adhere to a religion are Southern Baptists (19.73%), United Methodists (14.27%), and Roman Catholics (12.72%).

Public schools
− ** La Plata R-2 Elementary School (K-06) − ** La Plata R-2 High School (07-12) − ** The La Plata R-2 facilities are located in La Plata, Missouri, in northern Macon County, Missouri, however the district boundaries encompass part of southern Adair County as well.
 * Adair County R-I School District - Novinger
 * Adair County R-I Elementary School (K-06)
 * Adair County R-I High School (07-12)
 * Adair County R-II School District - Brashear
 * Adair County R-II Elementary School (K-06)
 * Adair County R-II High School (07-12)
 * Kirksville R-III School District - Kirksville
 * Kirksville Primary School (PK-02)
 * Ray Miller Elementary School (03-05)
 * Kirksville Middle School (06-08)
 * Kirksville High School (09-12)
 * La Plata R-2 School District - La Plata

Private schools

 * Mary Immaculate Catholic School - Kirksville - (K-08) - Roman Catholic
 * Life Church School - Kirksville - (K-12) - Nondenominational Christianity

Post-secondary education

 * A.T. Still University - Kirksville - (Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine) - Satellite Campus
 * Truman State University - Kirksville - A public, four-year university.
 * Moberly Area Community College - Kirksville - A satellite campus of the main community college in Moberly

Public libraries

 * Adair County Public Library

Cities

 * Brashear
 * Greentop (mostly in Schuyler County)
 * Kirksville (county seat)
 * Novinger

Villages

 * Gibbs
 * Millard

Unincorporated communities

 * Adair
 * Bullion
 * Clay
 * Connelsville
 * Danforth
 * Fegley
 * Nind
 * Nineveh
 * Paultown
 * Ringo Point
 * Shibleys Point
 * Sperry
 * Stahl
 * Sublette
 * Troy Mills
 * Willmathsville
 * Yarrow
 * Youngstown

Townships
Adair County is divided into ten townships:

 * Benton
 * Clay
 * Liberty
 * Morrow
 * Nineveh
 * Pettis
 * Polk
 * Salt River
 * Walnut
 * Wilson

Local
Adair County is governed by a three-member commission. The presiding commissioner is elected by the county voters at large. The first district and second district commissioners are voted on by the residents living in the eastern half of the county, and western half of the county respectively. Each commissioner has an equal vote in all county business. Most offices are housed in the Adair County Courthouse, a structure dating from 1896 and listed on the National Register of Historic Places. The Adair County Sheriff's Office is located in the Adair County Detention Center one block north of the courthouse, while the Prosecuting Attorney's office resides in the County Annex building across from the detention center.

The Republican Party controls politics at the local level in Adair County. Republicans hold all but three of the elected positions in the county.

State
Adair County is split between two legislative districts in the Missouri House of Representatives, both of which are held by Republicans.

 * District 3 — Danny Busick (R-Newtown). Consists of the city of Kirksville and the western half of the rest of the county.
 * District 4 — Greg Sharpe (R-Ewing). Consists of the eastern half of the county.

All of Adair County is a part of Missouri's 18th District in the Missouri Senate and is currently represented by Cindy O'Laughlin (R-Shelbina).

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Dilga

In Australian aboriginal mythology (specifically: Karadjeri), Dilga is a goddess of fertility and growth, and the mother of the Bagadjimbiri. She avenged their deaths at the hands of Ngariman by drowning him in her milk.

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Yazoo County, Mississippi

Yazoo County is a county located in the U.S. state of Mississippi. As of the 2020 census, the population was 26,743. The county seat is Yazoo City. It is named for the Yazoo River, which forms its western border. Its name is said to come from a Choctaw language word meaning "River of Death".

History
The area which is now Yazoo County was acquired by the State of Mississippi from the Choctaw Indians in 1820. Yazoo County was established on January 21, 1823. It was the 19th county established in the State of Mississippi, and remains the largest in area. It was developed for cotton plantations, which lined the major river to have transportation access.

The first county seat was at Beatties Bluff. As population increased, In 1829 the county seat was moved to Benton. In 1849 the county seat was moved again, to Yazoo City, where it remains.

Yazoo County was a battlefield in 1863 and 1864 during the American Civil War. After the war, whites committed violence against freedmen to assert their dominance. Such violence continued after Reconstruction. In the period from 1877 to 1950, Yazoo County had 18 documented lynchings of African Americans. Most occurred around the turn of the 20th century, as part of white imposition of Jim Crow conditions and suppression of black voting.

In 1900 a railroad disaster killed engineer Casey Jones; it took place in Yazoo County just north of Vaughan. The Great Mississippi Flood of 1927 did much damage in Yazoo County.

It experienced two accidents relating to carbon dioxide pipelines owned by Denbury Resources. In 2011, a pipeline had a "blowout" in Tinsley, Mississippi, causing the sickening of one worker and killing deer, fish and birds. In 2020, a pipeline ruptured less than half a mile from Satartia. More than 300 people were evacuated and 46 hospitalized with carbon dioxide poisoning.

Geography
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the county has a total area of 934 sqmi, of which 923 sqmi is land and 11 sqmi (1.2%) is water. It is the largest county in Mississippi by land area and third-largest by total area.

Adjacent counties

 * Humphreys County (north)
 * Holmes County (northeast)
 * Madison County (east)
 * Hinds County (south)
 * Warren County (southwest)
 * Issaquena County (west)
 * Sharkey County (northwest)

National protected area

 * Hillside National Wildlife Refuge (part)
 * Panther Swamp National Wildlife Refuge

2020 census
As of the 2020 United States Census, there were 26,743 people, 8,542 households, and 5,203 families residing in the county.

2010 census
As of the 2010 United States Census, there were 28,065 people living in the county. 57.1% were Black or African American, 40.0% White, 0.4% Asian, 0.3% Native American, 0.7% of some other race and 1.5% of two or more races. 4.6% were Hispanic or Latino (of any race).

2000 census
As of the census of 2000, there were 28,149 people, 9,178 households, and 6,644 families living in the county. The population density was 31 /mi2. There were 10,015 housing units at an average density of 11 /mi2. The racial makeup of the county was 53.96% Black or African American, 44.74% White, 0.20% Native American, 0.36% Asian, 0.22% from other races, and 0.52% from two or more races. 4.38% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

35.60% of the 9,178 households had children under the age of 18 living with them, 43.20% were married couples living together, 23.70% had a female householder with no husband present, and 27.60% were non-families. 24.50% of all households were made up of individuals, and 11.70% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.81 and the average family size was 3.35.

In the county, the population was spread out, with 28.50% under the age of 18, 9.80% from 18 to 24, 29.20% from 25 to 44, 20.10% from 45 to 64, and 12.40% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 34 years. For every 100 females there were 103.60 males (boys). For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 103.60 males.

The median income for a household in the county was $24,795, and the median income for a family was $29,395. Males had a median income of $28,553 versus $19,797 for females. The per capita income for the county was $12,062. About 25.40% of families and 31.90% of the population were below the poverty line, including 42.90% of those under age 18 and 22.50% of those age 65 or over.

Major highways

 * I-55.svg Interstate 55
 * US 49.svg U.S. Highway 49
 * US 49W.svg U.S. Highway 49W
 * US 49E.svg U.S. Highway 49E
 * Circle sign 3.svg Mississippi Highway 3
 * Circle sign 16.svg Mississippi Highway 16
 * Circle sign 149.svg Mississippi Highway 149
 * Circle sign 433.svg Mississippi Highway 433

Airport
Yazoo County Airport is located in an unincorporated area in Yazoo County, 2 mi west of central Yazoo City.

Education

 * Public School Districts
 * Yazoo City Municipal School District serves areas in the Yazoo City limits; its high school is Yazoo City High School
 * Yazoo County School District serves areas outside of the Yazoo City limits; its high school is Yazoo County High School
 * Private Schools
 * Benton Academy (Benton)
 * Manchester Academy (Yazoo City)
 * Covenant Christian School (Yazoo City)
 * Thomas Christian Academy (Yazoo City)

Cities

 * Yazoo City (county seat)

Town

 * Bentonia

Villages

 * Eden
 * Satartia

Census-designated place

 * Benton

Unincorporated communities

 * Anding
 * Carter
 * Holly Bluff
 * Hopewell Landing
 * Little Yazoo
 * Midway
 * Oil City
 * Phoenix
 * Scotland
 * Tinsley
 * Vaughan

Ghost towns

 * Claibornesville
 * Hilton
 * Liverpool
 * Pearce
 * Plumville

Popular culture
Yazoo County, Mississippi has been featured in an Independent Lens series documenting bullying.

Notable people

 * Haley Barbour, Governor of Mississippi
 * Willie Brown, football player
 * Jerry Clower, comedian
 * Henry Espy, Mayor of Clarksdale, Mississippi
 * Mike Espy, former U.S. Secretary of Agriculture
 * Lawrence Gordon, motion picture producer
 * Lynn Hamilton, actress
 * Jesse E. Holmes, minister, community leader
 * Duck Holmes, blues musician
 * T. J. Huddleston, entrepreneur
 * Skip James, blues musician
 * Tommy McClennan, blues musician
 * Willie Morris, writer
 * Stella Stevens, actress
 * Zig Ziglar, writer and motivational speaker

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Talk:Tufnell Park

Railways
I've deleted the "Tufnell Park was bypassed by the railways" - a glance a map shows that it clearly isn't - and added a mention of the old Junction Road station. Irides cent 01:09, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

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Enharmonic equivalence

In music, two written notes have enharmonic equivalence if they produce the same pitch but are notated differently. Similarly, written intervals, chords, or key signatures are considered enharmonic if they represent identical pitches that are notated differently. The term derives from Latin enharmonicus, in turn from Late Latin enarmonius, from Ancient Greek $ἐναρμόνιος$, from $ἐν$ ('in') and $ἁρμονία$ ('harmony').

Definition
The predominant tuning system in Western music is twelve-tone equal temperament (12 ), where each octave is divided into twelve equivalent half steps or semitones. The notes F and G are a whole step apart, so the note one semitone above F (F♯) and the note one semitone below G (G♭) indicate the same pitch. These written notes are enharmonic, or enharmonically equivalent. The choice of notation for a pitch can depend on its role in harmony; this notation keeps modern music compatible with earlier tuning systems, such as meantone temperaments. The choice can also depend on the note's readability in the context of the surrounding pitches. Multiple accidentals can produce other enharmonic equivalents; for example, F (double-sharp) is enharmonically equivalent to G. Prior to this modern use of the term, enharmonic referred to notes that were very close in pitch — closer than the smallest step of a diatonic scale — but not quite identical. In a tuning system without equivalent half steps, F♯ and G♭ would not indicate the same pitch.

Sets of notes that involve pitch relationships — scales, key signatures, or intervals, for example — can also be referred to as enharmonic (e.g., the keys of C♯ major and D♭ major contain identical pitches and are therefore enharmonic). Identical intervals notated with different (enharmonically equivalent) written pitches are also referred to as enharmonic. The interval of a tritone above C may be written as a diminished fifth from C to G♭, or as an augmented fourth (C to F♯). Representing the C as a B♯ leads to other enharmonically equivalent options for notation.

Enharmonic equivalents can be used to improve the readability of music, as when a sequence of notes is more easily read using sharps or flats. This may also reduce the number of accidentals required.

Examples
At the end of the bridge section of Jerome Kern's "All the Things You Are", a G♯ (the sharp 5 of an augmented C chord) becomes an enharmonically equivalent A♭ (the third of an F minor chord) at the beginning of the returning "A" section.

Beethoven's Piano Sonata in E Minor, Op. 90, contains a passage where a B♭ becomes an A♯, altering its musical function. The first two bars of the following passage unfold a descending B♭ major scale. Immediately following this, the B♭s become A♯s, the leading tone of B minor: Chopin's Prelude No. 15, known as the "Raindrop Prelude", features a pedal point on the note A♭ throughout its opening section.

In the middle section, these are changed to G♯s as the key changes to C-sharp minor. This is primarily a notational convenience, since D-flat minor would require many double-flats and be difficult to read:

The concluding passage of the slow movement of Schubert's final piano sonata in B♭ (D960) contains a dramatic enharmonic change. In bars 102–3, a B♯, the third of a G♯ major triad, transforms into C♮ as the prevailing harmony changes to C major:

Other tuning conventions
The standard tuning system used in Western music is twelve-tone equal temperament tuning, where the octave is divided into 12 equal semitones. In this system, written notes that produce the same pitch, such as C♯ and D♭, are called enharmonic. In other tuning systems, such pairs of written notes do not produce an identical pitch, but can still be called "enharmonic" using the older, original sense of the word.

Pythagorean
In Pythagorean tuning, all pitches are generated from a series of justly tuned perfect fifths, each with a frequency ratio of 3 to 2. If the first note in the series is an A♭, the thirteenth note in the series, G♯ is higher than the seventh octave (1 octave = frequency ratio of $2 to 1 = 2$ ; 7 octaves is $27 to 1 = 128$ ) of the A♭ by a small interval called a Pythagorean comma. This interval is expressed mathematically as:

 * $$\frac{\ \hbox{twelve fifths}\ }{\ \hbox{seven octaves}\ }

~=~ \frac{ 1 }{\ 2^7}\left(\frac{ 3 }{\ 2\ }\right)^{12} ~=~ \frac{\ 3^{12} }{\ 2^{19} } ~=~ \frac{\ 531\ 441\ }{\ 524\ 288\ } ~=~ 1.013\ 643\ 264\ \ldots ~\approx~ 23.460\ 010 \hbox{ cents} ~.$$

Meantone
In quarter-comma meantone, there will be a discrepancy between, for example, G♯ and A♭. If middle C's frequency is $f$, the next highest C has a frequency of 2 $f$. The quarter-comma meantone has perfectly tuned ("just") major thirds, which means major thirds with a frequency ratio of exactly $5⁄4$. To form a just major third with the C above it, A♭ and the C above it must be in the ratio 5 to 4, so A♭ needs to have the frequency

 * $$\frac{\ 4\ }{ 5 }\ (2 f) = \frac{\ 8\ }{ 5 }\ f = 1.6\ f .$$

To form a just major third above E, however, G♯ needs to form the ratio 5 to 4 with E, which, in turn, needs to form the ratio 5 to 4 with C, making the frequency of G♯
 * $$ \left( \frac{\ 5\ }{ 4 } \right)^2\ f ~=~ \frac{\ 25\ }{ 16 }\ f ~=~ 1.5625\ f ~.$$

This leads to G♯ and A♭ being different pitches; G♯ is, in fact 41 cents (41% of a semitone) lower in pitch. The difference is the interval called the enharmonic diesis, or a frequency ratio of $128⁄125$. On a piano tuned in equal temperament, both G♯ and A♭ are played by striking the same key, so both have a frequency
 * $$\ 2^{\left(\ 8\ /\ 12\ \right)}\ f ~=~ 2^{\left(\ 2\ /\ 3\ \right)}\ f ~\approx~ 1.5874\ f ~.$$

Such small differences in pitch can skip notice when presented as melodic intervals; however, when they are sounded as chords, especially as long-duration chords, the difference between meantone intonation and equal-tempered intonation can be quite noticeable.

Enharmonically equivalent pitches can be referred to with a single name in many situations, such as the numbers of integer notation used in serialism and musical set theory and as employed by.

Enharmonic genus
In ancient Greek music the enharmonic was one of the three Greek genera in music in which the tetrachords are divided (descending) as a ditone plus two microtones. The ditone can be anywhere from $16⁄13$ to $9⁄7$ (3.55 to 4.35 semitones) and the microtones can be anything smaller than 1 semitone. Some examples of enharmonic genera are

Enharmonic key
Some key signatures have an enharmonic equivalent that contains the same pitches, albeit spelled differently. In twelve-tone equal temperament, there are three pairs each of major and minor enharmonically equivalent keys: B major/C♭ major, G♯ minor/A♭ minor, F♯ major/G♭ major, D♯ minor/E♭ minor, C♯ major/D♭ major and A♯ minor/B♭ minor.

Theoretical key
Keys that require more than 7 sharps or flats are called theoretical keys. They have enharmonically equivalent keys with simpler key signatures, so are rarely seen.

F flat major - (E major) G sharp major - (A flat major) D flat minor - (C sharp minor) E sharp minor - (F minor)

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Talk:Tulse Hill

Gangs
I have edited the information on gangs to make it readable; however there are still no references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Petepetepetepete (talk • contribs) 11:31, 3 July 2007
 * My inclination is that none of the information on gangs is notable. If they're just a bunch of kids who run together, kids have always done that. If they're attempting to come to the attention of the police, then you're just assisting to make them notorious. It's uncited, doesn't appear in the legitimate media, so what about losing it? Kbthompson 12:10, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

They are actuall no gangs its just groups of teenagers ratting about like all teenagers do eg if a bunched of kids called themselves the three muskaterrs you would write in wikipedia there a gang called te muskateers. and since theres no source i beleive it should be taken down

 * Delete - delete section as its neither encyclopedic nor referenced Ephebi 23:44, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

The gaywood gang ran tulse hill from the late 80's till the mid 90's, having a big rivalry (at the time) with the 28's gang from Brixton —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.209.9.82 (talk) 00:51, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Which Hill is Tulse Hill?
I have noticed that the railway station named "Tulse Hill" is on a different hill from the road of the same name. Which hill is the real "Tulse Hill" ; the one with the road, the one with the station or another one again ???

Page Move
I have put this page back at Tulse Hill. If Knights Hill deserves an article then it should get its own one. If there is a reason for the move, can I suggest you put it on the talk page with reasons first? Thanks, Regan123 00:28, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Split
I Alec - U.K. propose a split into:

 * Tulse Hill & Effra Road
 * Tulse Hill & Knights Hill
 * Tulse Hill & West Dulwich

Alec - U.K. 01:05, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Why? West Dulwich is already covered in Dulwich, Knights Hill and Effra Road are either sub areas or simply roads. Unless there is something particularly notable about them, then I don't see why Brixton, Dulwich, Tulse Hill (which is about the area, not the road) and West Norwood cannot cover the relevant facts.

 * These splits seem totally illogical to me. MRSC • Talk 07:05, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

 * West Dulwich is not covered in Dulwich. The Croxted Road is the traditional dividing line between Dulwich & West Dulwich (the station being another station that is outside the area it takes its name from). Croxted Road is also a borough boundry. The Dulwich article says nothing of West Dulwich and it states that Dulwich is in the London Borough of Southwark.

 * Knights' Hill is another hill with its peak on the other side of the south circular. The road of the same name leads towards it in a straight line from Crown Point down to the one way system at West Norwood. The road was renamed having been previously called Knights' Hill Road or Knights' Hill Street and I regard it as being at the other end of the West Norwood area.

 * "Tulse Hill" and "Effra Road" are the names of road leading towards Knights' Hill from the High Street and Town Centre at Brixton. The one named Tulse Hill has been abreviated from "Tulse Hill Road" and traverses another hill. The church on the same hill is said to be on "Trinity Rise". N.B. not Tulse Hill

 * Tulse Hill and West Dulwich both have areas of housing with links to charitable organisations.

 * Tulse Hill and Knights hill were both built in the second millenium A.D., are right next to each other and should be regarded as historic places. (not that anyone living should be there)

 * The article seems to surgest that Jean Charles De Menezes may have died because he was a troglodyte. Alec - U.K. 02:09, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

 * This is from the Dulwich article -

 * ''Duliwich is a generally prosperous settlement in the London Borough of Southwark. There are number of recognised districts in Dulwich. These include:

 * '' * North Dulwich which borders Herne Hill
 * ''* Dulwich Village which includes the traditional village centre, and is the home of the world famous Dulwich Picture Gallery together with Alleyn's School, James Allen's Girls' School, Dulwich College and Dulwich Park
 * ''* Dulwich Wood in the south bordering Crystal Palace
 * ''* East Dulwich which bounds Peckham and includes the best restaurants in the area.
 * * West Dulwich which is a mainly residential area in the London Borough of Lambeth bordering West Norwood and Tulse Hill.

 * West Dulwich is part of Dulwich and should be dealt with there. If needed the opening statement should be chnaged to cover the fact that it is also in Lambeth,

 * On the Ordnance Survey maps Knights Hill is shown as being in Tulse Hill. The Ordnance Survey maps are the definitive UK mapping source.  Also it is surely not notable enough.
 * This article is not about roads but is about an area. If there are other definitions of Tulse Hill they should be covered in the Tulse Hill article.  Knights Hill is nothing unique as a housing estate (unless there is somehting unusual that happened there) and can be covered in the Tulse Hill article.  Splitting them just divides the information up when it is not required.Regan123 08:15, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree with Regan123 - Tulse Hill is an area, not a road, and there's no need for a split. Vashti 19:33, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Tulse Hill is the name of;
 * 1 A hill - next to Knights' Hill.
 * 2 The area on the hill - Which adjoins West Dulwich in Lambeth.
 * 3 The railway station - on the aforesaid neighbouring hill.
 * 4 An A-road - formerly named "Tulse Hill Road" on another neighbouring hill which Menezes caught a bus on on the last day that he lived also giving that hill (the one with the schools mentioned on it), a place in history as well (The other 2 were already historic). Alec - U.K. 00:18, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

 * See getamap for the Ordnance Survey map which shows it as an area.   This article is not about a hill, it is about a place, that is centred in a dip on a one way system on the South Circular - see the OS map just linked to.  The same also shows Knight's Hill is a district within the area of Tulse Hill.
 * Also I have a Phillips Road Atlas (based on OS data) that shows Tulse Hill in SW2. Several other editors have also put it into that area. The dividing line runs along the South Circular to the west.  A Postcode search in the area shows eg. SW2 3**).
 * If a seperate article is needed to cover Tulse Hill (road) then that can be created, however where Charles de Menezes was living on that sad morning does not make it automatically notable. Shooters Hill, Primrose Hill are notable (eg. being the highest in London), but the hills around Tulse Hill are not, in my opinion, notable.
 * This article needs to be changed back the article to reflect its original focus on the area. If there needs to be information on the "hills" then we could have a Topography section
 * Finally some of the recent changes have added sections like Areas not so near which don't seem to add anything. As there is no consesus I would ask that no further edits be made until these matters are resolved. Regan123 01:38, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I have had a look at the map and it has the hill that the name Tulse Hill was created for labelled as "Knights' Hill". It is a mistake that it has in common with at least on other map that I have seen. It is an understandable mistake. I think I can expain it. I have seen a centuraries old map showing Knights' Hill but not Tulse Hill. Tulse Hill is the larger of the 2 hills. Any map showing just showing one of the 2 hills but not the other might be reasonably be assumed to be showing the larger of the 2, that is unless you consider that one hill might have existed before the other did. Both hills were made in historic times are their construction was related to historical events in history. Both hills are hundreds of years old. It would seem to me that the map showing the one hill without the other had been drawn up after Knights' Hill was build, but before the construction of the relatively large, Tulse Hill.

I would draw your attention to evidence that I think might be said to be of an archeiologically intresting nature but I think it is also of a nature that I suspect would be seen as unpolitique for me too mention here, especialy on a Sunday, as it is right now in the U.K. Alec - U.K. 02:34, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Alec, I think you are missing the point. This is not an article about a hill it is an article about a place.  The map cited is from the Ordnance Survey which is the official UK government map - it generally doesn't get any better than this!  I don't understand how you can construct a hill.  Living in this part of London, i have to say that your deifinition of Tulse differs from everyone else I know.  I have asked a member of WP:Lon for some guidance and would ask - again - that you make no further edits to this page until a consensus has been reached. 02:44, 4 November 2006 (UTC)Regan123
 * The map you mentioned is wrong. It is not unknown for British governments to be wrong so why should a nationalised or privatised company be assumed to be any different?? Is it the word "Hill" that you do not like? If you pile lots of earth into a big pile and you keep on piling on more and more earth until the top of it until at the top it, you are at a similar height as the top of a nearby hill, what else would you call it if not a hill: a pile???  Alec - U.K. 04:53, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately it doesn't matter if the map is wrong, or if the hill is mislabelled, so long as the WP article corresponds to the maps. Ordnance Survey maps are reliable sources, and what is required for WP articles is that they are verifiable.  If you have documentation demonstrating that the map is wrong, then by all means bring it to the table so that it can be considered and cited. Vashti 14:44, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

The map is correct. The hill shown by OS as "Knights Hill" at TQ315735 - which now has the Peabody estatea on its slopes - is not the hill historically called Tulse Hill, even though many local people use this name. Confusion has been rife for many years:

"The history of this district, and of the rest of Norwood lying in Lambeth parish is greatly complicated by the existence of two areas both called Knight's Hill.  The southerly Knight's Hill formed part of Lambeth Manor and lies to the south of St Lukes Church, while the other comprised the detached portion of the Manor of Leigham Court and of the parish of Streatham ... and lies between Norwood Road and Croxted Road."  --Lang rabbie 17:59, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Places that are not so near
I will remove this section. It is very odd addition and to be honest, Cairo could be within its scope. MRSC • Talk 07:34, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Disputed tag
What exactly is being disputed? MRSC • Talk 18:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I've just looked at the page history, and was somewhat surprised to see that the disputed tag was inerted by Alec - U.K. - I had assumed it was posted by another contributor commenting on Alec's own contributions.  So far looking only at one reputable printed source, I can find more than half a dozen issues to dispute with Alec - U.K. which justify keeping a disputed tag on this article, although not for his reasons:

 * (i) Knight's Hill (see reference above) and Tulse Hill are not the same place.
 * (ii) The area generally known as Tulse Hill is not a separate hill. It is an area of development on one slope of a larger ridge, and takes its name from the principal road.
 * (iii) Part of the area was developed before the arrival of the railways. Tulse Hill and Upper Tulse Hill roads were laid out before 1821 and substantial numbers of houses existed by the 1840s.
 * (iv)The area is named Tulse Hill after a family called Tulse, who were local landowners during the period of the Commonwealth, not for "the word Tulse"?
 * (v) In sixteen years living in Lambeth, I have never heard of Trinity Hill.
 * (vi)Surely the hill referred to with regard to St Martin in the Fields School is Tulse Hill (the road)?
 * (vii)All Saint's Church is undoubtedly in West Dulwich, rather than Tulse Hill.
 * (viii) Surely neither Knight's Hill nor Trinity Rise qualify as "places" under the Wikipedia London project?
 * --Lang rabbie 18:52, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I think everyone except Alec would agree with you. The page should be about Tulse Hill as a place - all this talk of hills is confusing. Claret 19:00, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks Lang rabbie for the full response. Let's edit those problems out now rather than re-tag the article. It appears Alec - U.K.'s alternative views are entirely without support. MRSC • Talk

MERGE Section:Trinity Hill into Brixton Hill

 * The Trinity Hill section should be merged into the Brixton Hill article. The schools mentioned are all SW2 schools on the same hill] as [[Brixton Hill 87.194.35.230 17:18, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Trinity Hill (I've never heard of it either) - is that Trinity Rise? There's no way that should be merged; it's in Tulse Hill and Brixton Hill is, well, not.  Those schools are all in Tulse Hill and *not* in Brixton. Vashti 18:50, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose Agree with Vashti above for the same reasons. Regan123 11:38, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

 * There is no valid reason to do this. MRSC • Talk 13:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

MERGE Section:Norwood Road / The South Circular section into Norwood Road article

 * This part of the article seems to be about the area central to Norwood Road. It is not a hill. 87.194.35.230 17:18, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

If you have any references to show Trinity Hill is a common term, please cite them - I have never heard of Trinity Hill. Tulse Hill is used generally as a district of south London, not to refer to a physical feature. It is distinct from Brixton Hill which is a mile or two to the west. Claret 18:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

 * As mentioned elsewhere on this page, we are talking about a place, not a hill. Tulse Hill is a district of South London which covers much more than one lump of soil.Regan123 11:40, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Tulse Hill is a hill
Tulse Hill is a hill or mound.

There is no district called Tulse Hill District.

Tulse Hill is not a district.

Tulse Hill Estate is not a district.

There is no sub-divsion of the London Borough of Lambeth that local people call Tulse Hill.

Tulse hill is the name of the hill with the railway tunnel through it that can be seen from Tulse Hill Station. 87.194.35.230 19:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

 * If you google Tulse Hill, you will see plenty of sites talking about it as an area; eg 'pubs and bars in Tulse Hill'. On sites such as Craigslist you can see people describe a 'flat in Tulse Hill' etc.  Claret 20:17, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

 * It would appear that other people do call it Tulse Hill as in an area: see here, here, here, these people are talking about Tulse Hill as a place, the Church is calling it a parish and so on and so forth. Regan123 21:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

 * More of this rubbish. Ordnance Survey have is as a location. MRSC • Talk 13:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Tulse Hill is the term used by the inhabitants of West Norwood and Tulse Hill to mean the area starting at roughly Avenue Park Road and extending to the edge of Brockwell Park, and encompassing the area between the start of Thurlow Park Road and the end of Tulse Hill. This is roughly speaking anyway.--Topperfalkon (talk) 22:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

"The church on Knights Hill - Green steeple, near the station"
Does this mean the former St Cuthbert's Presbyterian Church on Thurlow Park Road - which has a short copper spire?--Lang rabbie 23:59, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

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