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Talk:all decked out

all decked out
= all + decked out. As above. DCDuring TALK 16:21, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, no controversy here that I can see. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Can't hurt to redirect to decked out (or even to deck out). Otherwise, delete. —msh210℠ (talk) 18:33, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

deleted -- Prince Kassad 10:11, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

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Talk:diagram

diagram
Rfd-redundant "(mathematics) A graphic representation of an algebraic or geometric relationship" redundant to previous "A plan, drawing, sketch or outline to show how something works, or show the relationships between the parts of a whole". —msh210℠ (talk) 18:53, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. DCDuring TALK 11:36, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:57, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Yes - this sense should be deleted. BedfordLibrary 15:37, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

deleted -- Prince Kassad 22:15, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

RFV discussion: December 2020
Sense 2: A graph or chart.

Graphs and charts are not diagrams. Rather than repeat everything here, please see the discussion here:
 * Commons:Categories for discussion/2019/09/Category:Diagrams by subject

And see the template we agreed to for use on diagram categories on the Commons: "All diagram categories should contain diagrams as defined and illustrated in the Wikidata box at Category:Diagrams: "plan, drawing, sketch or outline to show how something works or the relationships between the parts of a whole". Tables, graphs, and maps are not diagrams. They should be moved to subcategories of Category:Information graphics such as Maps, Charts, Statistics, etc.."
 * Commons:Template:Diagrams

There are links to the categories within that quote in the template. --Timeshifter (talk) 10:50, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

 * Someone just added the first quotations for that sense. See diff. But I don't think they apply. Simple data graphs and simple data charts are definitely not diagrams. And these quotes discuss images that are much more complex:

 * The 2017 quote is completely vague. I have no idea what the image looks like.
 * --Timeshifter (talk) 14:31, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You are attempting to bring usage into conformity with some idealized sharp distinction of types of visual representations. Ordinary language rarely honors such idealized distinctions. Wiktionary is not a vehicle for reforming language; it is a vehicle for describing language usage. It is true that most dictionaries of statistical terms do not contain an entry for the word diagram. But they do contain entries for specific kinds of diagrams, such as box and whiskers plot, aka box-and-whiskers diagram, aka box and-whiskers-graph, aka box-and-whiskers plot, and scatter plot/diagram/graph.
 * Several of the citations in the entry refer to diagrams representing variable over time . That is the kind of visual representation that is often called a graph. Chart is itself a highly ambiguous term, which includes tables. I am fairly sure that diagram is not used to refer to tabular presentation of data.
 * Trying to corral ordinary usage of terms is a hopeless task. Perhaps there are realms that use words in a narrower way that better conforms to you wishes. One approach that you might take would be to examine how various statistical dictionaries define terms and add definitions labeled "" or similarly for other realms of discourse. DCDuring (talk) 15:55, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Several of the citations in the entry refer to diagrams representing variable over time . That is the kind of visual representation that is often called a graph. Chart is itself a highly ambiguous term, which includes tables. I am fairly sure that diagram is not used to refer to tabular presentation of data.
 * Trying to corral ordinary usage of terms is a hopeless task. Perhaps there are realms that use words in a narrower way that better conforms to you wishes. One approach that you might take would be to examine how various statistical dictionaries define terms and add definitions labeled "" or similarly for other realms of discourse. DCDuring (talk) 15:55, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

 * It is not Wiktionary's duty to accept the mistakes of others in usage of terms. People will make many mistakes in usage of various terms.
 * Once a table or graph goes beyond just plotted lines of graphs and table borders, and starts to include illustrations to "show how something works, or show the relationships between the parts of a whole", then there is justification to call it a diagram.
 * But then this sense (graph or chart) becomes redundant to the main definition: "A plan, drawing, sketch or outline to show how something works, or show the relationships between the parts of a whole".
 * Just like the RFD on Talk:diagram concluded that this was redundant to the main definition: "(mathematics) A graphic representation of an algebraic or geometric relationship"
 * --Timeshifter (talk) 17:20, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Who died and left you language czar? Where do you get off calling any common usage a mistake? In any event, Wiktionary describes usage; it does not prescribe usage. This is what all modern dictionaries do. DCDuring (talk) 20:52, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the previous language czar did not die but retired, sick of those nauseous people who insist it is fine to use in the sense of .  --Lambiam 22:01, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I am often saddened and sometimes angered by the erosion of distinctions, but I don't fight them in Wiktionary because I have taken to heart to lexicographic ideal or ideology of descriptivism. DCDuring (talk) 21:48, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The question is not what the “true” or “correct” meaning of a term is, but what people mean who actually use the term. The terms and  certainly overlap, as do ' and '. IMO, sense 2 is a subsense of sense 1; its definition is formulated less felicitously due to the polysemy of the terms  and  combined with the absence of any indication that this concerns a graphical representation, but both the mathematical senses 1 and 2 and the (quite distinct) mathematical sense 3 of “graph”, used as a graphical representation, are subsumed by the concept of “diagram”. For an example, see this Buneman graph. What I miss in the definition of sense 1 is that the plan, drawing, sketch or outline is a non-naturalistic, highly schematic or symbolic visual representation.  --Lambiam 22:25, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The collocation schematic diagram occurs fairly often. Is it a pleonasm or are there non-schematic diagrams? DCDuring (talk) 21:44, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I have to say that the 2010 RfD seems completely erroneous to me. “A graphic representation of an algebraic or geometric relationship” is not a “plan, drawing, sketch or outline to show how something works, or show the relationships between the parts of a whole”... a diagram demonstrating the Pythagorean Theorem does not show anything “working”, nor does it show any relationships between a part and a whole.  It's fine for Wikidata to have a specialized definition but the 1897 OED gives
 * Diagram [...] that which is marked out by lines, a geometrical figure, written list, register, the gamut or scale in music [...]
 * Geom. A figure composed of lines, serving to illustrate a definition or statement, or to aid in the proof of a proposition. [...]
 * An illustrative figure which, without representing the exact appearance of an object, gives an outline or general scheme of it, so as to exhibit the shape and relations of its various parts. Hence applied to such different designs as a map of the heavens, a delineation of a crystal, a representation of microscopic forms, etc. Floral diagram (Bot.): a linear drawing showing the position and number of the parts of a flower as seen on a transverse section. [...]
 * A set of lines, marks, or tracings which represent symbolically the course or results of any action or process, or the variations which characterize it; e. g. the intensity of action or quality, the rise and fall of temperature or pressure, of the death-rate, rate of emigration, rate of exchange, the derivation and mutual relation of languages, etc. b. A delineation used to symbolize related abstract propositions or mental processes. Often with defining word prefixed, as indicator-diagram (in the steam-engine), acceleration-, force-, velocity-diagram. [...]
 * After Greek usage: A list, register, or enumeration ; a detailed inscription ; also, 'the title of a booke' (Cockeram 1623). [...]
 * Mus. A musical scale, a gamut.
 * So I hate to prescribe anyone's prescription, but “Simple data graphs and simple data charts are definitely not diagrams” appears to be a completely untrue statement to me (and does not match my U.S. American usage experience). --Struthious Bandersnatch (talk) 23:04, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

 * No one objects to the addition of specialized definitions to any entry in Wiktionary, provided only that they are actually distinct from other senses, that they are attestable, and that they are not NISoP. I would be surprised if Commons did not require specialized definitions to support well-defined categorization, but those definitions are not likely to have a great deal of effect on world English usage. DCDuring (talk) 21:57, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Comment. I don't see basic statistical tables and graphs being called "diagrams" in this WIkipedia article: Mathematical diagram. So maybe the Wiktionary definition of diagram can point that out. --Timeshifter (talk) 02:00, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * So what? Statistical dictionaries don't define diagrams etc. to include such things either, but at least they are a reliable source. But the essential point is that we follow actual usage even minority usage without suppressing the facts or enforcing extra-linguistic norms. DCDuring (talk) 03:17, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * So just to be clear, Timeshifter, at this point your proposal is that Wiktionary should contradict the OED, which explicitly gave a sense, as already quoted above, “A set of lines, marks, or tracings which represent symbolically the course or results of any action or process, or the variations which characterize it; e. g. the intensity of action or quality, the rise and fall of temperature or pressure, of the death-rate, rate of emigration, rate of exchange [...] ” ? --Struthious Bandersnatch (talk) 14:48, 3 December 2020

(unindent). We should not be using 1897 OED definitions of diagram. See: dictionary. In that Wikipedia article the major dictionaries with long histories are described and named. The modern versions of those dictionaries do not describe basic statistical tables and graphs as diagrams.

Find more recent major dictionary definitions with this Google search:
 * https://www.google.com/search?q=definition+of+diagram

Those major dictionary definitions of diagram:

Oxford dictionary: Collins dictionary: Merriam-Webster dictionary: Cambridge dictionary:
 * https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/diagram
 * https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/diagram
 * https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/diagram
 * https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/diagram

On the Collins page farther down it has the traditional definition of diagram. From Collins English dictionary. For British English.

And on the other 3 dictionary pages for diagram, the traditional definition of diagram is used. The latest Webster's definition is using the traditional definition of diagram.

After seeing Mathematical diagram I see that certain specialized charts and graphs sometimes use the word diagram along with other words like plot.

But for basic statistical graphs and tables very few people call them diagrams. Why would they when there is a perfectly adequate word like graph or table? These are the vast majority of graphs and tables on the Commons.

So I will be clarifying the Commons template to indicate that difference. --Timeshifter (talk) 15:18, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You know “lexico.com” is not the modern version of the OED, right? That would be https://www.oed.com/, which you'll notice asks for a username and password. Non-public-domain versions of the OED are a paid service, which isn't even included in the Wikipedia Library for research, despite the fact that we have access to a whole mess of Oxford Press titles. Do you have any rationale why we supposedly would not want to refer to the 1897 OED... beyond, uh, a link to the Wikipedia entry “dictionary”? The current OED definitely still includes barely-intelligible examples of usage from, like, the 14th century, (in fact, I notice that the tagline on the web site is “Discover the story of English: More than 600,000 words, over a thousand years”, so earlier than that) so I'd be quite surprised if your claim that it no longer contains the above senses is correct.  Linking to less-complete free online dictionaries is not a very good argument for English Wiktionary's English entries to be lower-quality or less complete. --Struthious Bandersnatch (talk) 08:05, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

 * If you look at e.g., they use "diagram" freely to refer to graphs, and I can't say that I would really notice this as an error or as anything unusual. I'm not sure, though, that "charts and graphs" needs to be split out and made an individual deal of. I think there is essentially only one sense here, which is (most broadly) "something that explains or gives information pictorially" (not suggesting this as a complete finished definition), and could include graphs as well as others that do not necessarily "show how something works" or "show the relationships between the parts of a whole". Mihia (talk) 03:26, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

RFV-passed Kiwima (talk) 22:01, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:可毒夫

可毒夫
Just a name of someone - should not be included in Wiktionary. Delete. Tooironic 19:33, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well this is interesting, it started off as Old Korean and has since become Madarin! I shudder to think, but is this used attributively? I mean we have Charlemagne, Hitler et al. Could this be considered a similar Mandarin term. Mglovesfun (talk) 20:02, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

deleted -- Prince Kassad 14:47, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

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Talk:back in

back in
Non-idiomatic usage of "back" plus "in". But see also back into, which has some idiomatic senses. Facts707 08:03, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Mglovesfun (talk) 23:27, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - this can be transitive or intransitive: we can back in back a vehicle in. --Rising Sun talk? contributions 22:11, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Why does that matter? (Unfortunately since you're blocked you can't reply, if you want to reply to me by email, I'll post it here bona fida). Mglovesfun (talk) 13:13, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

 * Phrasal verb, keep. DAVilla 16:13, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The unsupported assertion begs the question. By what criteria would we be able to distinguish between a "phrasal verb" and a verb + adverb? I have been looking forward to such criteria for about three years now. CGEL dismisses "phrasal verb" as a syntactic concept, so we need semantic criteria. It seems to me that it just a matter of presentational convenience, of reducing the size of back by off-loading a portion of what could be presented there to various "phrasal verb" entries. The difficulty that arises from this presentation is that it becomes more awkward to compare "phrasal verb" senses with verb + adverb senses. DCDuring TALK 17:54, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. No OneLook dictionary has a definition, except for an oil-business glossary (for back-in). McGraw Hill's Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs (2004) does not have back in, though it does have back away, back off, back down, back into, back onto, back out, back over, and back up. Whether all of these are really idiomatic, I don't know. DCDuring TALK  17:54, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep as phrasal verb, as disclosed in these sentences: "He backed in steadily and stopped" and "Back the car in slowly". It is an antonym of "back out"--To reverse a vehicle from a confined space. The absence in OneLook is suspect, though. To me, phrasal verb is mainly a syntactic concept; particle phrasal verbs are English analogues of German separable verbs. --Dan Polansky 10:19, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The example sentences fail to disclose any idiomaticity to me. Could you help me see how there is meaning that is not a trivial derivation of back + in. BTW, CGEL does not find "phrasal verb" a useful syntactic concept. DCDuring TALK 11:57, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I am not sure I see anything beyond semantic sum of parts, but what I see is a particle phrasal verb, sum-of-parts or not. English often replaces prepositional and adverbial prefixing of verbs with phrasal verbs (not true for Latin-based invaders that occupy a large section English). The space between "back" and "in" does not disturb my perception of one-wordness in phrasal verbs, so I do not necessarily look at whether the term is a semantic sum of parts. This perception is probably a consequence of analogies with Czech and German, in which the combination of a prefix and a stem in a verb is often rather sum-of-partish but for the missing space between the prefix and the stem; compare log in and einloggen. --Dan Polansky 13:31, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * So what? What does this have to do with English? If the Czech and German Wiktionaries would like to have such entries, that would be their prerogative. But I don't see any reason to let a possible cognitive convenience to those native speakers of any subset of languages who apparently unwilling to deal with English on it own terms determine inclusion in English. And one individual's perception of one-wordedness, though of Tea Room interest has little probative value. DCDuring TALK 14:49, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per Facts, DCDuring. —msh210℠ (talk) 17:23, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Kept, no consensus. Would probably be worth a second nomination if anyone can be bothered. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:51, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

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臉色

Noun

 * 1) complexion; colour of the face
 * 2) facial expression; look

Synonyms

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text: 脸色

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鐵青

Adjective

 * 1) livid; ashen; ghastly pale

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suhteellisen

Adverb

 * 1) relatively
 * 2) quite, fairly

title: suhteellisen


text: Category:ja:Rugby

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陳年

Adjective

 * 1)  aging; old; ancient

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Talk:in default

in default
NISoP. No meaning beyond in: + default:. DCDuring TALK 16:51, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Right. Delete (or redirect to default, I suppose). —msh210℠ (talk) 17:26, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:59, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Delete per nom. This term does not appear in Ballentine's, Black's, or Bouvier's law dictionaries. bd2412 T 13:37, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Redirected but not struck. Should it just be deleted? DAVilla 09:01, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

title: Talk:in default


text: 陈年

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enchaigner

Verb

 * 1) to chain restrain with chains

title: enchaigner


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Talk:teaching materials

teaching materials
SoP--Felonia 14:27, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, it's actually quite a set phrase in the UK, but easily decodable from the sum of its parts (materials for teaching). Same goes for learning materials, which we don't have. Mglovesfun (talk) 14:37, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. Perhaps it was created just to house the translations? Delete. Equinox ◑ 14:40, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep...as MG says, it's quite a set phrase round these parts. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ 14:47, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Shouldn't the entry be at teaching material? ---> Tooironic 10:53, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not used much in the singular, but I'd bet it's attestable. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:57, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per Mg. —msh210℠ (talk) 17:12, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

deleted -- Prince Kassad 23:44, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

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流水簿子

Noun

 * 1)  account ledger

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di lato

Noun

 * 1) edge-on

title: di lato


text: fedeil

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text: biotch

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Talk:derë

Derë talk with Laurent
Hi, JorisvS replaced IPA definition of derë [deɾə] by [dɛrə] who mean pig (derr), what should I do ? Can you respond please ? I'm sure it's in gheg it's [deɾ] & not [dɛr], has a explained about we don't pronounce the Ë at end. Gmazdên 22:09, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

 * I think it would be wise to start putting Gheg under its own L2 header, so that there will be ==Albanian== and ==Gheg Albanian==. As far as I'm aware, there's only [ɛ] in Standard Albanian and Tosk, and it would be a hassle to try to treat all three dialects under one header. I just don't think it would work, so if you'd like to start making ==Gheg Albanian== entries, I can make more templates for you. — [ R·I·C ] Laurent — 23:42, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for response, I don't know if Tosk use [e] or only [ɛ], but I'm sure that Gheg use it. Also JorisvS use [r] in his IPA derë but if you check this Page, you will observe that R is [ɾ] & RR is [r], so I think he make a mistake, so if he mistake for R, he make mistake for E. How to correct please ? I'm sure that is [deɾə] & not [dɛrə]. It's more correct than saying pig for door ??? Still [e] epsilon exist in Greek Language & Alphabet, so its really astonished me if this sound doesn't exist in Toskian (for Greek term), I know that [ɛː] became [i] after Byzantine, but I'm sure that [e] exist in Skopje dialect. Also Hypjê (gheg) became Hipje (Tosk) because Ypsilon [y] became [i], in Skopje we still use ancient pronunciation. Gmazdên 01:04, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Derë talk with —Stephen
Hi, Someone JorisvS replaced IPA, has you can see he added [dɛrə] who his pronunciation of derrë (pig), if you check this Page, you will observe that R is [ɾ] & RR is [r], so I think he make a mistake, how to correct please ? I'm sure that is [deɾə] & not [dɛrə] Gmazdên 22:01, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

I noticed, that you corrected the R [ɾ] but not the E [e], has I said Tosk are neighboor of Greek, epsilon [e] exist in Greek Language & Alphabet, so its really astonished me if this sound doesn't exist in Toskian (like for Greek term), in Albania E & K have two valour [e/ɛ] & [k/q]... So please correct, has I tell you before, I'm sure of pronunciation it's [e] and not [ɛ]... Look this to : Albanian_alphabet. Thanks, can you unreverse my sandali add. Or are you verifying the word ? Gmazdên 10:36, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

If it's Tosk pronunciation add info next IPA [deɾ·ə] (Tosk) & [deɾ] (Gheg), in Gheg we don't pronounce the ending Ë [ə] Gmazdên 13:19, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi, correct JorisvS insult please, why he changed derë IPA ? Does he speak Shqip ? Language Babel isn't shown in his user page, don't insult my people please, I know it's [deɾ·ə] and not [dɛr]... Gmazdên 00:42, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

 * On the Albanian language pages such as Albanian language, it indicates [dɛɾə]. Gheg has many more vowels than Tosk: Gheg Albanian. Nobody is insulting anybody. I am sure that he has found that pronunciation somewhere on Wikipedia. This is what I have been trying to explain to you for years. You are not responsible for the Albanian language or for any other language. You are only responsible for what you write. You do not have to be overly concerned about the mistakes that others make in a language that you know, but you must be absolutely vigilant about what you yourself write. The mistakes that others have made here have not harmed you in any way, but the mistakes that you yourself made have damaged your credibility, and that is why nobody wants to listen to you. You need to ease off the mistakes that others make, and you must make certain that you do not make mistakes in a language that you claim to know. You will lose the respect of other linguists very, very quickly, but it takes a long time indeed to regain their trust.
 * One thing that we have all learned is that being a native speaker of a language does not necessarily mean that one speaks the standard dialect using the standard pronunciation in an educated fashion. Our biggest headaches come from so-called native speakers who are uneducated in their language, or who left their land as a child and only remember how to talk like a child, or who have no experience in grammar and phonology. The fact that you are a native speaker of Albanian does not count as sufficient credentials. You have to be able to describe it without errors. Sometimes this means that you have to fix errors in the Wikipedia pages. It means that you have to be very careful about adding anything in other languages, such as Arabic. You made so many mistakes in Arabic in the beginning that now nobody wants to listen to you. It will take a long time to fix that, if it is even possible. —Stephen (Talk) 08:34, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

You right, I speak old Gheg, and those are Tosk (Orthodox) falsified Dialect. Don't matter let them insult them self. I forgot about them, it's not my problem anymore, I decided that I have to go to Mekkah to perform pilgrim and to learn the Qoran... Thanks for you help anyway. Gmazdên 22:02, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

derë talk with JorisvS
Hi, first I would like to ask if you can add language in your user page, I noticed that you replaced IPA, I'm from Makedonia, and I'm sure we use [deɾ·ə], you replaced by [dɛr·ə] who mean pig derr, are you insulting my people ? Gmazdên 12:21, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Well, I'm not talking about anyone's dialect, but about the Standard. I know there are significant differences between the various Albanian varieties, does your native variety happen to be Gheg? I changed the phonetic brackets to phonemic slashes: from [der] to /dɛɾə/ (I didn't note then it also said [r], an alveolar trill, which is, I know, written , which someone else corrected).  is phonemically indicated /ɛ/ in Standard (Tosk) Albanian, but there is no contrast with [e], so (phonetic) [ɛ] and [e] are both (phonemic) /ɛ/.

 * I don't care about the Tosk dialect. Since a very small part of albanian speaker use this falsificated dialect, that Kosovo, Macedonian and Northern Shqip rejected & don't like. Pig [dɛr] & Door [deɾ], have nothing common. Are you albanian ? Gmazdên 13:56, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Maybe, but since 'Albanian' will be interpreted as referring to the Standard (thus Tosk), mixing Gheg messes things up IMO (given the differences). Given the big differences between the varieties of Albanian, I will not object to a separate Gheg Albanian entry (like at zôjë), even when alongside a (Standard) Albanian entry (quite opposite to Serbo-Croatian, see my contributions). However, I don't know about other editors, they might oppose/undo such an addition, so this might require a fair amount of discussion. --JorisvS 14:09, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Do you speak Shqip ? Are you Albanian or Greek ? Still you writed [dɛrə] pig (derr, I'm not sure you good enough in albanian phônology to correct my mother tongue. She is teacher and I'm sure of Gheg pronunciation, so your Greek Toskian dialect, it's not interesting me at all since is a falsificated dialect invented and imposed in 1947 by a dictator... You made error with [r] so to for [ɛ]... It's me who writed to Stephen to correct you RR [r] with R [ɾ], but he keeped the [ɛ] still is [e] epsilon... Also please add your speaked language in profile. Gmazdên 14:21, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

 * As I said above. Please try to read carefully what I say (maybe look up words here or there, I notice your English isn't perfect, so you might miss some things of what I'm saying). The thing with [r] was just a human error (and I'm glad someone else did notice and correct it). I'm not stopping you to add Gheg at derë or anywhere else, but I am saying we shouldn't mix things up. Also, realize I'm not correcting you. In fact, I would encourage speakers of Gheg to use their language instead of slowly assimilating to Tosk. --JorisvS 14:38, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

You don't respond my question : are you Shqiptar/Albanian ? Also about language add you knowledge (babel) in user page, please. I'm level 3 English not 5 or 4 but 3... Edit only language that you know at level 4 or 5... Still stop reverse, it's [e] and not [ɛ] pig & door aren't related. Make the difference between those two term. Gmazdên 14:45, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I haven't because it is totally irrelevant. Only what I've said above is relevant (at least so far). First read carefully what I've written above, then ask for clarification if you don't understand something I've said. After that we can continue this discussion, I hate repeating myself. And if I may remark, I've seen your posts here and on Stephen G. Brown's talk page, from which I suspect en-3 is on the high side for you, no offense. --JorisvS 14:56, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

 * You think that it's irrelevant to add language you speak and write while editing a world dictionary ??? It's really astonishing... Please, don't insult my people. Good bye. Gmazdên 15:07, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * To this discussion, yes. I wonder, how have I "insulted your people"?? I really don't see how I can have. --JorisvS 15:14, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Just an advice edit language that you personally speak at level 4 of 5. That's all, if you don't understand difference between pig [dɛr·ə] & door [dɛr·ə] it's your problem, don't impose to all world, your controversial point of view. Still, I'm sure it's [deɾ·ə]. Good bye. Gmazdên 15:50, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

 * I edit with sense, if I'm not certain of something, I don't do it. This does not mean I won't make mistakes, I'm human just like everyone else, so I'm bound to make mistakes here and there. Sometimes I notice them myself and fix them, sometimes I don't and someone else comes by. You are the one who doesn't seem to be getting my point: Gheg ≠ Tosk. --JorisvS 16:08, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Errare humanum est, I know, but it's seems that you don't understand what I say, are you albanian ? What's your Albanian Level ? Gmazdên 16:22, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

 * In response to that I've said that it doesn't matter IMO. In the beginning I've said why I changed the (phoneTic) [e] to phoneMic /ɛ/, because that's kind of the convention for Tosk, at least the one I've seen. (Do you know what the difference between a phonetic and a phonemic transcription is?) I realize Gheg makes a phonemic distinction between /e/ and /ɛ/ (well, at least now I do), but as I edited it with Tosk in mind that isn't really very important (well, maybe to you it is; you edit them with only your native Gheg in mind? Then this is what I mean when I say "we shouldn't mix these up"). --JorisvS 16:41, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

title: Talk:derë


text:
delenio

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1) to soothe or soften down, mitigate
 * 2) to charm, win, captivate, entice
 * 3) to corrupt, bribe
 * 1) to charm, win, captivate, entice
 * 2) to corrupt, bribe

title: delenio


text:
流水

Noun

 * 1) flowing water
 * 2)  something flowing rapidly, continually or irreversibly like water
 * 3)  turnover

title: 流水


text: relativet

title: relativet


text: relativer

title: relativer


text: relativerne

title: relativerne


text: relativs

title: relativs


text: relativets

title: relativets


text: relativers

title: relativers


text: relativernes

title: relativernes


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簿子

Noun

 * 1) notepad ; notebook

title: 簿子


text:
風聲

Noun

 * 1) sound of the wind
 * 2)  rumors; news; leaked information

title: 風聲


text: 风声

title: 风声


text: cherhaja

title: cherhaja


text:
dymny

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) smoky

title: dymny


text:
抱不平

Verb

 * 1) to feel outrage by an injustice done to another person

title: 抱不平


text:
納罕

Adjective

 * 1)  amazed; confounded

title: 納罕


text: 纳罕

title: 纳罕


text:
娘老子

Noun

 * 1)  mother and father; parents
 * 2)  mother

Usage notes

 * Usually used in non-face-to-face contexts, but in recent years, it has also been used in face-to-face contexts.

title: 娘老子


text:
grafikisto

Noun

 * 1) graphic designer

title: grafikisto


text:
blogisto

Noun

 * 1)  blogger

title: blogisto


text:
Berkeleio-

Etymology
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title: Berkeleio-


text:
infana

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) infant

title: infana


text:
filaĵo

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) child

title: filaĵo


text:
rekruto

Noun

 * 1) recruit

title: rekruto


text:
fragila

Adjective

 * 1) frail, fragile

title: fragila


text:
Thread:User talk:Yair rand/Template:index/Serbo-Croatian/reply (11)

As for Persian, unlike Arabic the sorting order is fairly straightforward.

 * 1) you should make alif-madda (آ) sort the same as plain alif (ا), similar to how you should have done German umlauts had it worked.
 * 2) collation order: ا, ب, پ, ت, ث, ج, چ, ح, خ, د, ذ, ز, ژ, ص, ض, ط, ظ, ع, غ, ف, ق, ک, گ, ل, م, ن, و, ه, ی (your browser will most likely sort this list from right to left, remember alif goes first and you should be fine)
 * 3) zero width non-joiner (U+200D) should be ignored in sorting.

These are the important aspects. I hope I didn't forget anything important.


text:
siispä

Adverb

 * 1) so, thus

title: siispä


text:
skizi

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to sketch, make a brief, basic drawing

title: skizi


text:
User talk:Caladon/Archive 2

scita and scienda
Hi Caladon. Forgive the spam, but I need to know urgently what the two Latin words and  mean. My guess is that they're related to either or  (which we don't have), or to both of them. They have a specialised use in English as terms of political science, as demonstrated by this quotation: "As modern life becomes increasingly complicated across many different sociopolitical levels, Kuehnelt-Leddihn submits that the Scita — the political, economic, technological, scientific, military, geographical, psychological knowledge of the masses and of their representatives — and the Scienda — the knowledge in these matters that is necessary to reach logical-rational-moral conclusions — are separated by an incessantly and cruelly widening gap and that democratic governments are totally inadequate for such undertakings.' (taken from Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn)" Any help you can give me with these words (the greatest being the creation of entries for them) would be very much appreciated. Thanks and regards. — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 15:21, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your work on undefined:. BTW, you may find User talk:Bogorm and User talk:Stephen G. Brown useful.  — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 18:53, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

 * Thanks again, Caladon. I've now added English entries for scita and for scienda, if you're interested.  — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 00:48, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

 * You're welcome. The English entries look good as with all of your contributions. Caladon 17:29, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

 * Thank you; I appreciate the compliment.  — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 18:24, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

pavor
Should all those definitions be on the same line? I'd be tempted to have two or three definitions. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:37, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Hopefully this is better ? 'Desire' and 'joy' don't seem to convey the definition well enough to merit keeping them there. Caladon 10:45, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Comment: The number of definitions depends on the number of separate concepts that language has for the word, not how many concepts a modern reader has. So, it is entirely possible that a definition could legitimately include many items in a single line that would not be so written for a modern equivalent. --EncycloPetey 15:10, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * This is useful to bear in mind; a good example of this might be ? It's not very clear how many separate concepts there are for, since L&S seems to put it all on one line, whereas the OLD decided to separate it into sudden fear and fear of the future. Caladon 09:52, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

French translation for adventurous
Hi, why have you revert my French traduction for adventurous? I do claim that it is right.
 * In the process of adding your translation, you messed up several translations for other languages. I didn't even see that you had added a legitimate translation in all of that. Caladon 18:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand. Unfortunatly I realise that I have added hundreds of such translations in the past years with the Links-browser and probably everything have been reverted in the same way for the same reason... oh I'm very sad :(((
 * At least now you're aware of the problem. Your last edit was fine (when you re-added the French translation for adventurous). Caladon 22:35, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

credo et ago
I don't know whether you'd already noticed, but I'm testing out FitBot with regular third-conjugation verbs. I did (and found some errors both in what FitBot had done and in ), and have now run the conjugated forms of. I've checked over the FitBot entries for errors, and think I have corrected the problems in the master file. Would you mind looking over the FitBot entries as well for these two verbs, to see whether there are any additional errors I might have overlooked? There could still be errors in the conjugation template, or errors in the bot-uploaded pages. I'd appreciate a second pair of eyes doing this, especially as it's better to put in the work spotting problems before lots of pages have been created with those errors. --EncycloPetey 02:56, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * After cross-checking nearly three times, I can't find any errors on the pages themselves. I also checked the template, and no errors jumped out at me. Is it possible to make Autoformat accept pronunciation 1 and 2 as headers instead of added a cleanup tag for them? As long as the pronunciations work for each new verb, everything seems fine. Good work on successfully testing 3rd conjugation verbs; will there be a feed-me subpage in the future for requests, or will it all be done from your Laboratorium? Caladon 06:18, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Robert steadfastly refuses to accept such headers. He says that no "complete" proposal has been put forward, but has never indicated what is incomplete about the many proposals that have already been made.  At least I was able to convince him to make it a separate cleanup category, so now it doesn't flood the Latin attention category like it used to do. He still flags gerunds too, by the way.

 * I've thought about a FeedMe page for FitBot, but suspect that (aside from you) it would be filled with incomplete requests that all have to be first double-checked and cleaned-up anyway. Thus far, I've limited myslef mostly to regular, common, first-conjugation verbs with a complete conjugation, and for which the full entry has been set up with details and multiple sections.  Part of the problem is that I can't really automate the creation of the present active and perfect passive participle lemmata.  So, any new verb has to go through a lot of set-up and cleanup and checks before being run, or we'll have lots of red links from forms pointing to a missing lemma.  So, I'm just a bit skeptical about being able to keep up with requests when they come from someone other than you.  I expect that many requests will fail one or more criteria for the master files that I have.  I may have a FeedMe at some later point, but not yet, I think.  --EncycloPetey 16:03, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

citations:VL
Thanks. —msh210℠ 19:01, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

idololatres
In general, translations should appear in quotes, just as for a gloss in the template. I am curious, however, why you've chosen to use the æ ligature. In my experience, this is only used for Latin (1) on stone monuments, and (2) in English-edited texts of the past few hundred years (although the practice has been dying out). --EncycloPetey 18:07, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

 * I was aware of the fact that you used the quotation marks, but I was unsure as to whether to change my style in accordance, since many editors do not currently, which was evident after the Easter competition. Quite a few quotes need to be updated anyway, and I'll add the quotation marks in future. The æ ligature was in the text and I usually transcribe what the author originally used. Caladon 18:24, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

 * You have access to a 5th-century edition of the text? --EncycloPetey 18:25, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Yes, come to think of it looks odd (my mind was on the later quote I added to ). Unfortunately, it was a few hours ago when I composed this quotation while I was looking for a citation for . They need to be converted. Caladon 18:30, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Huh? I was under the impression that quotations' translations ought to be italicised, not enclosed in quotation marks.  — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 06:57, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Definitely not. Italicized text indicates a made-up example. --EncycloPetey 21:25, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

 * WT:QUOTE contradicts the both of us. FWIW, I've only ever seen the translations of quotations italicised.  — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 23:55, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

 * That page is a "Think tank", which means it includes only the information someone thought worth dumping into it, where it has since grown moldy. If I still have the impetus to do so in a few weeks, I may work out some of the problems on that page, most notably the issues dealing with quotations for non-English entries (which is under-represented there).  There isn't any explicit specification on that page regarding format for translations of quotations.  In practice, I try always to remember to put them in quotes, just like we do for translation glosses with the  template. --EncycloPetey 03:28, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Yes there is: quotations' translations are given once indented after the quotation. I don't think that quotation marks are appropriate for quotations' translations, which can be many lines long; the analogy with is strained at best. IMO and FWIW, were our policy not to give transliterations, glosses would be best presented in italics; italics make it easier to distinguish at a glance quotations from their translations. Conversely, there are at least two drawbacks to using quotations marks: (1) They are easily omitted by forgetful editors, and (2) Any quotation marks that are used in the quotation have to have their "polarity" inverted if the translation is enclosed in a further set of quotation marks (i.e., if the translation is enclosed with “”, then all first-level quotation marks in the quotation have to be changed to ‘’, then all second-level quotation marks have to be changed to “”, and so on). For these reasons, I shall italicise the translations of any quotations that I add, and shall argue in favour of that convention in any discussion of our pertinent policies.  — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 19:00, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Have you considered that, if the original quotation used italics, then an italicized translation must invert that? I would argue that italic text is harder to read under most circumstances, and should never be used for translations.  We've already had a discussion that concluded in favor of the formatting I described.  The relevant discussion can probably be found by looking for links to tener:, as we were using the short-form translation format for the Spanish section there as a test case and concluded in favor of what you currently see in the entry. --EncycloPetey 03:45, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Yes, I had considered that; however, unlike with quotation marks, the software automatically inverts italicisation.    turns italics on and    turns them off again; use of    tends to be discouraged. Some fonts (such as Garamond) have illegible italic forms, whereas other fonts (such as Palatino Linotype and whatever default font I'm using now) have easily read italic forms. Italics visually distinguish text for various purposes (such as emphasis, marking the use–mention distinction, &c.), and make it easier to home in on or consciously bracket out text so presented — qualities useful for translations, which, depending on the user, may be something he would wish to ignore or actively to search out. In my opinion, the usefulness of using italics outweighs any slight worsening of readability. The only "relevant discussion" to which you referred that I could find was in Beer parlour archive/2007/July, which showed no such conclusion. In User talk:EncycloPetey/Archive 9, you wrote "I know we had a discussion concerning the format of made-up examples in the Spanish entry for, and for that discussion we decided the translations should appear in quotes, rather than be italicized." — however, the only use of quotation marks I could see was by Rod, who used them to contrast literal from idiomatic translations. Take care not to misrepresent past discussions with vague allusions to them; an ad fontes approach shows your memory to be faulty.  — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 08:05, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Please don't be pompous; I pointed towards the discussions because I didn't have the time then to track them down, but did want to make sure you had access to the information I was drawing from. "The format I described" was a reference mainly to "not italics", which was then the primary subject of discussion.  (I'm sorry that wan't clear.)  You'll see that, although no explicit statement is made, the translations in the former discussion (the one I had in mind) are not italicized, although made-up examples and transliterations are. --EncycloPetey 14:08, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Forgive the pomposity; now stricken. Strangely, in that discussion you yourself prefer unitalicised foreign-language example sentences with translations in italics (in your comment timestamped: 21:36, 7 July 2007). For the sake of visually distinguishing translations, it makes sense that if the source is in normal type that the translations be in italics, and vice versa; for that reason, that discussion is, IMO, inapplicable as precedent for the presentation of translations of quotations. In any case, quotation marks are a bad idea.  — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 16:38, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

-tor
Just wanted to let you know an anon pointed out a problem with the Latin declension on that page. I know enough to see that it's wrong, but am not sure of the inflection pattern or how to use the template. Could you fix it? – Krun 12:14, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Doremítzwr has already corrected the problem. --EncycloPetey 14:00, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

charrar
Hi, I'm curious if you have a source for this etymology. It seems very unlikely to me; I'd have thought charrar would be some sort of denominative verb related to Latin carrus and French char, and thus cognate with French charrier. I just don't see any historical-phonological way to get Romansh charrar out of conducere. —Angr 14:37, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't remember this edit. I imagine the purpose of my edit was to cleanup what was already there, which was poorly formatted and only linked to the infinitive of, which I was editing at the time. Feel free to change the etymology if it incorrect. Caladon 14:39, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry, I didn't look closely enough. Indeed you weren't the one who asserted the etymology, and the person who did hasn't edited Wiktionary in over three years. I'll just remove it then. Thanks! —Angr 14:43, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

tempero
Needs Latin. Mglovesfun (talk) 14:43, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Now added. Caladon 15:01, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Latin templates
Since is deprecated, what is the correct template for such declension? Perhaps Attys 07:25, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I have replied on your talk page. Caladon 07:39, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Decelerate
Why did you revert my edit? You know, semantically speaking, that deceleration can't be slowing down if acceleration is slowing down. In fact, acceleration is changing velocity at all And the prefix, de, indicates it would be the opposite, so it stands to reason that to decelerate is to maintain a constant velocity. That is, if it were a real word to begin with. The vast majority misusing a word, or using one that isn't real doesn't change its definition or make it a word. Of course, wikis disagree with that, which is why they will never be a reliable source of information. Wikis operate on the arugmentum ad numerum fallacy.71.207.226.58 14:40, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Your edit introduced new errors; see the third definition. Also, any information like that which you provided as an explanation should go under a usage notes or similar section. I have no idea about the correctness of the definition, but I couldn't find any dictionaries which agreed with your change. Note, the definition for acceleration to mean changing velocity has a physics context label. Caladon 16:02, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You couldn't find any dictionaries that agreed with my definition because decelerate isn't a word. Only a fallible dictionary, such as Merriam Webster, would contain it to begin with.  It actually dates back to the infancy of cars when the drivers, who were obviously not physicists, erroneously used it to indicate slowing down.  They didn't realise what they were saying was incorrect.  Just the same as a lot of societal English discrepancies.  Usage does not make a word.  Words evolve, but they are only official when linguists acknowledge they are.  That being said, the prefix, de, implies it would be the opposite of accelerate, which is clearly to change velocity at all.  Ergo, logic dictates that my edit was correct, when I said, "Decelerate is not a word, but if it were, it would be to maintain a constant velocity."71.207.226.58 16:15, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * As you pointed out above Wiktionary is descriptive and not prescriptive. If you wish to open a discussion on this word, please take it to WT:TR; I have nothing more to add and I have already explained why I reverted. Caladon 16:21, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * IP, you couldn't be more wrong, in fact. We go by usage not some quango who gets to tell people that they can and can't say. We're all linguists here anyway. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:21, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

About the entry "Effect"
Hello Caladon, i present myself, i´m Nolemaikos, and i´m argentinian and not a natural english speaker so sorry for any mistakes that may present within my words.

In the entry effect, in the etimology section, there were two notions, that i´ve considered to be wrong and procceeded to modificate. Checking on the text history i could see that you were the one who had added them. I´m talking about the parts which said that effectus, ancester word of "effect", comes from "efficio" and that "efficere", comes from the union of "ex" and "facio". The texts considered "efficio" and "facio" to be verbs, the verbs "to accomplish" and "to do".

According to what i know, that is all wrong. Efficio and facio would be the first person forms of efficere and facere, which are the verbs themselves in their infinitive. That is in adittion kind of obvious because all the verbs in Latin present the terminations are, ere and ire, never any different.

Maybe i´m wrong, maybe you know more about latin than me, and there is some reason to talk about efficio and facio as infinitive verbs. I´ve already shown you my reasons for believing what i believe. So i will wait for your reply, and for a resolution to this matter.--Nolemaikos 19:27, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

 * A while ago it was decided that the lemma for Latin verbs was the first-person singular present active indicative and not the infinitive, since that's what most dictionaries do. There's no real point in linking to the infinitive in an etymology if the information for that verb is at the first-person singular present active indicative, since the reader will have to click twice to reach the information they want. We don't consider efficio and facio 'infinitive verbs' at all, just where we put the information regarding the whole series of endings for a specific verb. I'm not sure whether I've helped cleared this up for you; see WT:ALA and WT:ALA for more information as to the policy we adopt for Latin entries. Caladon 19:41, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Ok, i accept it, but, i have to say, it looks to me a lot weird to use the first person. In the spanish redaction we do not proceed like that at all. I´ll make myself sure of getting more information about this matter, because, yes, it hasn´t come clear for me why you do that. But i have no problems with it, of course, thanks for your attention, see you around.--Nolemaikos 03:02, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I´ve read more carefully what you´ve said, and now, i come to wonder, why do you english speakers put the general information about the verb in its first person form´s page? It´s strange that it comes from a dictionaries´s general habit, when what is logical, as it seems to me, is that the infinitive form is the main and representative one for the verb, and the first person shares a same level with any other person or time form. It´s ok anyway, it´s the way it is, can be wrong and established by the habits or can be right after all in some sense i haven´t seen.--Nolemaikos 03:25, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

 * See Wiktionary_talk:About_Latin for discussion relating to this issue; there, the reasons are outlined for the current method we use. Caladon 16:07, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

do
Hi Caladon,

The conjugation table for do lists dor as the singular 2nd or 3rd person future passive imperative of dō. Is this correct? Shouldn't it be dator? —AugPi 20:48, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you're right that it may be dator, but I have no evidence for it (though see, , ). It was who originally made the template, so perhaps it would help to ask what reference he had for undefined:, and it's possibly he may have made a misake. Caladon 21:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I see, thank you. —AugPi 21:44, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

cohaereō
Hi Caladon. Surely is post-Classical, whereas  is the true Classical pronunciation…  — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 13:44, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

 * We recently decided to change to the former; I was under the impression that the wikipedia article for pronunciation changed to explain that it was pronounced 'ai' in Old Latin. See User_talk:EncycloPetey. Caladon 13:47, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Hmmm. I don't know whence EP's getting his information, because the pertinent section of the Wikipedia article states:
 * ",,, , originally represented diphthongs: represented ,  represented ,  represented ,  represented ,  and  represented .  However, soon after the Archaic period,  and  lowered the tongue position in the falling element, and started to become monophthongs ( and , respectively) in rural areas at the end of the republican period. This process, however, does not seem to have been completed before the third century AD in Vulgar Latin, and some scholars say that it may have been regular by the fifth century AD."
 * However, Late Latin states "The English dictionary definition of Late Latin dates this period from the 3rd to the 6th centuries AD." I conclude that and its ilk are proper Late Latin pronunciations, whereas  and its ilk are proper Classical Latin pronunciations. What information does EP have that gainsays Wikipedia (n.b. that the source articles of those quotations both have supporting references)?  — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 14:19, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

 * The reference they use also says, "Unfortunately, nothing can be said with certainty because even the relative dating of many of the crucial Praenestine inscriptions remains highly problematical. However, the following quotation from the late second-century writer Lucilius (fragment 1130, cited in Varro, de Lingua Latina VII.96) probably satirizes the speech of the Praenestine Caecilius Metellus Caprarius, consul in 113 BC, and if so, shows that the feature was well established in the dialect by that period: Cecilius pretor ne rusticus fiat, ‘lest Caecilius become praetor rusticus’ (i.e. not praetor urbanus, an official title)," so it appears to have been around since the period we are talking about. The best thing to do would be to revive the aeruginosus discussion on EP's page; articles on the Latin langauge on Wikipedia have been wrong before. Caladon 14:47, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

 * OK; I've asked EP to join this discussion.  — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 15:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Please note two things: "Archaic" means roughly "Old Latin" or pre-Classical. "Republican" means pre- or early Classical, since the Classical period straddles the end of the Republic and the start of the Empire.  So the change in the pronunciation of ae began before the period of Classical Latin and completed after its end.  I've gone through many phonological texts over the past five years looking for more details about the quality of Classical Latin vowels and the dating and specifics of sound shifts, but all authors I've read are frustratingly vague on those points.  Most will not commit to specific IPA renderings (or an equivalent) until the period of Late Latin.  Suffice it to say that the Wikipedia article is fairly well done, and the pronunciation of ae as  is not inconsistent with that article's content.  Their specific IPA values for the earlier form of the diphthongs are questionable, in my mind at least, since I have yet to find an author that describes them that way.  It's not impossible, but unsupported in any source I've examined. --EncycloPetey 18:52, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

 * So, does that mean that should we note both pronunciations (i.e., the one with as well as the one with ) for ? Or would it be better to have  for Old Latin and  for Late Latin? I wonder by what point the change came to be considered standard; whilst the fragment from Lucilius suggests that  existed in 113 BC, it also suggests that the pronunciation was still regarded as "rustic" three centuries later. BTW, @Caladon, should this alternative form be undefined:?  — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 22:04, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

 * That's where things get tricky. Old Latin might need to be considered as a separate language, and often has a different spelling.  As I say, I haven't found a good source that clarifies the shift to the degree that I'd feel comfortable in answering the questions you've raised, but those are some of the questions that I've been trying to find an answer to for the past few years. --EncycloPetey 22:08, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Shall we therefore hedge our bets by giving both pronunciations for ?  — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 22:25, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

 * I'll assume that we shall; see for an example.  — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 01:22, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

 * I suspected that there was a macron in that position, considering the main entry's pronunciation, but I didn't feel confident at the time. I was only trying to fill in the possible forms one might find the verb in. By the way, I hadn't even realised you had requested this verb; it was part of my 'to add' list. As a bit of news, I've now finished going through the 2nd conjugation verbs on Wiktionary:Requested entries:Latin/verbs, adding all the ones that I can add (leaving a list at the bottom of possibles that still remain). Caladon 22:30, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Thank you. I also note that you've been creating soft-redirect entries for their present active indicative forms, which is really useful for finding the lemmata of the verb forms that most other dictionaries give in their etymology sections.  — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 10:02, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

 * We're doing that as standard practice whenever we create a new Latin verb entry, for precisely that reason. It also allows other users to fix or clean up most links to Latin verbs from etymology sections (as long as there isn't more than one verb with that form, which sometimes happens). --EncycloPetey 23:58, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

 * That's good to know. The same should be done with the genitive and accusative singulars of nouns, IMO.  — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 13:07, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Latin verb desino
Hi there. You added this verb last year using the 2nd form of conjugation. I thought that all 2nd- verbs ended in -eo. That's also what the conjugation template thinks (see for example the 1st person singular indicative active present - which ought to be "desino" according to the entry. SemperBlotto 14:05, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Yes, it should; it was just an error when cleaning up some anonymous' entry and it seems to have been fixed now. Caladon 09:06, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Latin noun bromium (the element bromine)
Hi there. Which inflection template should I use for this? It goes brōmium (3), brōmiī or brōmī, brōmiō, brōmiō. See bromium for details. SemperBlotto 15:27, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

 * It seems to be the equivalent on en-wikt of but singular only. Since we don't seem to have singular-only templates yet, it will be like what you've done for  for now (unless you want to do something like dulcia: but for singular), but obviously with the stem as bromi|brōmi. There are a number of templates that still need to be added/sorted out. Caladon 15:38, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

etymology of possideo
hello, what is the source for possideo as potis+sedeo ?

Lewis and Short give it as por+sedeo

--Diligent 20:25, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

 * It's stated in the Oxford Latin Dictionary, but also various other sites that probably got their information from it also put it as the etymology; if you would you like to, you can edit it so it includes both etymologies. Caladon 16:42, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Latin verb antesto
Hi there. You used for the inflection of this verb. According to Verbix it looks like it should be. Are you sure? (I was about to add circumsto) SemperBlotto 13:24, 27 October 2010 (UTC) p.s. I'm not really convinced with "-nopass" either.
 * Because antestor: would share any passive forms with undefined:, one would need to add a quote (with a translation) to be sure it had a passive; I chose 'no passive' based upon the fact that it is listed as intransitive and the other dictionaries didn't list a fourth part. There are instances of undefined: on google books, but these could also be from antestor:. Generally, in my more recent entries, I chose the template based upon a google books check and what the other dictionaries say. I've never trusted Verbix, it always seem to include any old form; at the end of the day it's about whether there's any real quotable Latin that proves otherwise. Caladon 15:36, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * According to Korol'kov's and Dvoreckij's dictionary there is a deponent verb an-testor (antestor, summon so. to testify does not derive from the verb sto). ante-sto, on the other hand, has no participium perfecti activi (is intransitive). The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 22:36, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Bad bot entries
Hi there. I have made a start on systematically deleting bad bot entries having entries of the form "... esse" and "... iri". I have got as far as verbs beginning "al..." and it is very very boring. I am going to mix this task with more productive work, if that is OK with you. SemperBlotto 12:00, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it does look really boring. I might have a go, but I need to standardise some of the new entries first. Caladon 12:05, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I spotted this in the recent changes (obviously). Why are these wrong? Is it not possible to correct these by bot instead of deleting them? Mglovesfun (talk) 12:07, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Please see User talk:SemperBlotto/2010 and our latest one at User talk:SemperBlotto; I wouldn't know about how to correct these automatically. There's also a problem with macrons which have been changed on the original entry (at the moment, they will have to be done manually, but I think this will end up part of a backlog because it is so boring) Caladon 12:13, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

-esco verbs
Hi there. I'm getting more and more confused here. As an example - in erubesco the headword lists erubui as the perfect form and then you use the "la-conj-3rd-no234" template and supply a second parameter (erubu) that the template ignores. Should template "la-conj-3rd-nopass" have been used instead? (as in maturesco - which seems to be the same sort of verb to me). I have just added claresco (with a choice of conjugation tables), but won't botify it until I hear from you. Cheers SemperBlotto 10:45, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

extollo
Hi there. Please check this verb. It only seems to use the 1st principal part, so I've used la-conj-3rd-no234, even though it has only been used on -esco verbs before. It doesn't show the infinitive (extollere). I won't botify it yet. SemperBlotto 15:10, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it looks okay. There are a few non-esco verbs in like sterto and inquit, and this one seems to be one as well. For future reference, if you ever come across verbs that, in L&S and other dictionaries, are only shown to have two principal parts, and there isn't any evidence for the perfect or supine (i.e. third or fourth principal parts) on googlebooks (usually for compounds where you can guess what the principal parts will be by looking at related verbs or the main verb it comes from), we have been using the formatting you can see in absono.  Caladon 15:23, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

transfugio
Could you check the inflection of this one please. I'm not 100% sure. SemperBlotto 08:30, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Getting your retaliation in first
Hi there. The Latin words that I am working on are always in my sandbox. You are always welcome to add any of these in advance if you think that I might make a mistake - or you could add a note suggesting macron placements etc. Cheers. SemperBlotto 09:14, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the majority of what you add now is fine, and any errors you do make are macron related or to do with incorrect verb tables. Currently, I am inclined towards better coverage of Latin words than improving our current entries, so any errors that slip through may go unnoticed; but if I see anything in particular, I'll drop a note. Caladon 18:43, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

ludicer
I would have thought that it went "ludicera", "ludicerum" (but what do I know!). SemperBlotto 22:26, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * See for an example of this type. Caladon 22:29, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Latin verb ferio
Hi there. Would la-conj-4th-nopass be correct for this verb? SemperBlotto 18:03, 22 January 2011 (UTC) No, it hasn't got any perfect tenses either SemperBlotto 18:04, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * As far as I can see, on google books, there are possible citations for forms from all principal parts (undefined: and undefined:), including passive forms (suggesting a normal 4th conjugation template); but in Classical Latin, there are no perfect or supine forms attested. Usually you can tell if it is going to require the nopass template or not if L&S uses an 'n' or an 'a' after the verb. Caladon 18:10, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * OK feriretis: was what I found in the Vulgate.

inquiam
Would you like to have a go at this impersonal verb? I'll add the inflected forms manually. SemperBlotto 22:29, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I would guess that all the information you require is at ; I'll add the present active participle to the irregular table, but there are a few forms missing that you will need to add, which you can see there. Caladon 07:29, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry - that was all wrong. Please ignore. SemperBlotto 09:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

nāscitūrus
This looks like it ought to be a future participle of nāscor (but isn't as far as I can tell). So I have added it as an adjective (and guessed at the macrons). Feel free to correct it if it is wrong. SemperBlotto 18:09, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * L&S suggests that it is found in this form in the Vulgate and Palladius, so a note should probably be added to the inflection of that both forms exist. Caladon 18:19, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

kalend--- words
Hi there. I have come across the following in several books of the Vulgate :- kalendae kalendarum kalendas kalendis. They are obviously something to do with the Calends, but I'm not sure what to do with them. L&S has Kalendae, Kalendalis, Kalendarium, Kalendarius - all capitalized and with alternative spellings with C-. What would you recommend? SemperBlotto 08:35, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I would recommend the main entry being on the 'k' spelling. Regarding whether it is capitalised or not, the Oxford Latin Dictionary does not capitalise, but a few others do. Regarding capitalisation, I would choose the non-capitalised version for the main entry, with the capitalised versions as alternative spellings, until we get someone like EP's opinion on it, as it can be easily switched in the future. If you are wanting to add Kalendalis or Kalendarius, we decided, eventually, that adjectives, whether they from proper nouns or not, should not be capitalised, so I don't see why this shouldn't be the same here. There is already an entry at calendae but it is really messy. Caladon 16:02, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * OK - uncapitalised "proper adjectives" is what I am used to in Italian. I'll get round to it. SemperBlotto 16:05, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Latin numerals
I'm getting myself psyched up for a go at Latin numerals. Firstly getting all the facts straight in my head, and looking to see what out best practice is. I have just created a plural-only version of our 1&2 template, and used it at terni. Does that seem reasonable? (I'll get back to you with detailed plans later) SemperBlotto 16:08, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The template looks fine. ternus needs cleanup in accordance with having terni, and it will be good if these entries finally get some attention (I think EP was working on quotes for cardinal numbers back in May). The other types of entries that need clean-up are those like, etc. Will the inflection line template be used for those like terni? Caladon 16:22, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * la-num-1&2 added (so much stuff that I haven't found yet!) SemperBlotto 16:28, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

y with macron
Hi there. Could you confirm that I'm using the correct character (from the edit menu) for a lowercase y with macron. See syriacus as an example. It always looks to be boldface on my screen. SemperBlotto 14:46, 29 January 2011 (UTC) p.s. There's no macron in our Latin entry for Syria.
 * Yes, it's the correct character, as far as I can see, and it's the one I have been using. Caladon 14:49, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The Oxford Latin Dictionary does not put a macron on Syria or syriacus, so maybe L&S is wrong about there being a "ȳ" there. Caladon 14:53, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * OK - I'll take it off before botifying it. (and add a note) SemperBlotto 14:56, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

amb
Hi there. This seems to mean both:. I am not sure of the part of speech, and have no idea of its inflection (amborum: is in the Vulgate). Any ideas?
 * See, as it looks to be the genitive plural from this; presumably, is wrong about their entry. Caladon 17:44, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I don't know how to inflect ambo: either! SemperBlotto 17:48, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The Oxford Latin Dictionary says that the accusatives are ending in -ōs/-ō, -ās, -ō, the genitives -ōrum, -ārum, presumably -ōrum, and datives and ablatives as -ōbus/-īs, -ābus/-īs, -ōbus/-īs, and apparently can be used as a point of comparison, if that helps. L&S' explanation is just confusing. See also . Caladon 17:56, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * OK - copied that. It's a hand-crafted table so my bot won't see it. I'll add any manually for now. SemperBlotto 18:02, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

present participle templates
Hi there. Why is the documentation of pointing at ? This sort of thing doesn't make understanding our Latin templates any easier! SemperBlotto 15:47, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. There are many errors with the template documentation, like . The difference between the ablatives is what makes this significant between the use of the templates or the other. Caladon 15:50, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

 * I have made a start at updating Wiktionary:Latin templates. Eventually it will contain a mention of all our Latin templates (except those gloss ones). I shall try to figure out what they all do and supply some sort of documentation (so much to do, so little time). SemperBlotto 17:10, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

 * I still don't know what is for, and we are lacking a lot of templates, like plural only templates for nouns and some verb templates for those which have no known perfect or supine principal parts. Caladon 17:21, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

prōlongō
L&S has this as "prolongo", but it seems to make sense with a pro- macron. I won't botify until you give a judgement. SemperBlotto 11:43, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree with you that it should have a macron. Caladon 11:45, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

 * OK. But now, for protervus, L&S actually put a breve on the pro-. I don't really like changing that to a macron, even though it is related to prōterō. SemperBlotto 11:59, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Go for without a macron, but apparently according to the Oxford Latin Dictionary, protervus: is only long on the 'o' in Plautus and Terence, i.e. has a macron, and short elsewhere, so under inflection or usage notes, it might be helpful to mention these authors use it long. Caladon 12:05, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

moriendi and nascendi
Hi there. These two look like they should be some sort of future participle of morior and nascor. But not according to our inflection tables. Is there anything to be done? SemperBlotto 18:38, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

 * I don't entirely know myself. From looking at various sources, the suggestion is that the gerundive of deponent verbs still bears a passive meaning, and that some deponent verbs governing the ablative use the gerundive impersonally.

 * I don't know if all deponent verbs are going to have an attested future passive participle, so one can either make a new template or parameter (for the current template) for those deponent verbs with a known, attested future passive participle, create the future passive participle with all the forms and add a note to the inflection of the corresponding verb, or change all the deponent verb templates to include it on the displayed conjugation.

 * It is said that intransitive verbs have no gerund, but apparently those verbs taking the ablative are an exception if used impersonally (it is reminiscent of how intransitive non-deponent verbs can sometimes have impersonal, 3rd person passive forms, even though it does not make much sense in literal translation.) Also note how you have already added one of these before, see persequendus:.

 * Not all deponent verbs will state whether they are intransitive or transitive for each sense, and not all deponent verbs have been tagged with Caladon 21:25, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

necnon
Can this also mean neither / nor ? SemperBlotto 18:44, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Apparently, it is supposed to be an emphatic way of expressing, but in a strongly positive sense (a kind of double negative), so that it means 'and also'; therefore, I can't see how neither or nor can fit here if it is only used in a positive sense, unless there is some later usage, which follows the lines of this, but it would not make much sense with it being a double negative. Caladon 21:30, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Latin sources of words
Hi there. As I said on my talk page, you are welcome to add words from my sandbox - especially if you think that I will make a mistake with them. My source is the Latin version of Wikisource e.g. la:s:Biblia Sacra Vulgata (Stuttgartensia). I copy/paste all the text from an entry and then run it through my own software (too difficult to share) and remove all the words the give blue links in Wiktionary. Normally I remove all words starting with a capital letter, as many of them are just words that start a sentence (and some others might not meet our CFI). In the case of Latin, I also discard words ending in -que where it is obvious that they are just other words with "and" tacked on. As an example, here is the result from the "Song of Songs" (including capitalised ones):-

Amana Aminadab Bether Carmelus Damascum Engaddi Esebon Galaad Hermon Israhel Libani Pacifice Pharaonis Salomonem Salomonis Sanir Sulamiten Sulamitis

adloquenda adspiret ambiunt areolam beatissimam cellam convallium conversio cypressina cypri decorus deosculer disponsionis distillans distillantia eburneus formonsa fraglantia germinassent hiemps hinuli hinulo intremuit laquearia mandragorae marmoreae nixa occultis perfla pessulum potandum probatissima pulsantis punicorum putationis reclinatorium repperiens ruminandum sugentem tonsarum tornatiles tornatilis vermiculatas vinariam vulnerasti

Please let me know if you would like me to create such a word list from any particular online source.

My future plans include whatever Wikifons has on early science (Newton etc), then I would like to try some modern sources e.g. I thought that there was a Latin version of the Vatican newspaper "Osservatore Romano" (but I can't find it anymore). SemperBlotto 09:22, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

 * If there are any sources I find that would be suitable, I will inform you. I imagine defining words from modern sources might involve a bit of guess work. I remember finding a Latin newspaper website once when looking up a word, but I don't believe I have it any more, and I doubt it was related to Osservatore Romano. Caladon 16:27, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

conquesto
Is there a Medieval Latin verb ? I've just come across conquestei (=conquesté) in an Old French text. It seems to be a synonym of. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:37, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * There is an entry in Niermeyer for, suggesting it is attested (not sure when, c. 900?), to mean obtain by means other than inheritance, and then eventually to conquer; a google books check throws up a few citations. Caladon 16:46, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

macrons
Hello. Could you name your sources regarding macrons in syllables (of Latin words) that are both long by position and long by nature (for example dētēctum and refōrmō). Thanks. --Omnipaedista 10:46, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The macrons for detego: are based upon this edit to tego: by EP, who I presume had a good reason for going for a macron. The entry for  is based upon the macrons for forma: and related compounds, which was originally implemented by EP back in this edit . Basically, the source used by EP or myself, as a standard, what we have unofficially decided on, is Feyerabend, as far as I know. Generally, macron disagreements occur on syllables preceding a double consonant; there are still many unresolved disputes regarding these cases where different sources do not agree. If you have any other macron queries, please discuss, because I myself find there are some cases, which are difficult to judge. Caladon 16:19, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

metropolis
Re latest addition by Amit6. I think there should be a macron on the e. I would have used template la-decl-3rd-PAR-navis rather than la-decl-3rd-PAR (but I could be wrong). Definition should be metropolis (capital city) rather than metropolitan. (Do you want to have a quiet word with him?) SemperBlotto 16:35, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are right, I think you are right about -navis, because there seems to be google books evidence for the accusative with -im, and the definition was for metropolitanus. He seems to be making entries too fast, and he doesn't seem to know about macron placement, but some of the things he has been making has been later than Medieval, so I would not have a clue about macron placement for them (although, I guess it is less important for Modern Latin, since pronunciation often takes the language of the native speaker). Caladon 16:44, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I know almost nothing about macron, now what can I do? --Amit6 (talk) 17:09, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not quite sure what you are asking, but it is usually a process of learning, since most macrons can be deduced from word to word, although dictionaries need to be consulted the majority of the time. I will try to check your entries as much as I can, but it may be difficult to do all of them, because it seems to take a long while. Caladon 17:13, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

occasus
I think the adjective should be replaced with the perfect passive participle of occido. See occido2 in L&S. SemperBlotto 19:44, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I have no idea. It does not make any sense to have a passive meaning, since occido:, meaning to set, does not have a passive, and I can't find it in any dictionary. Caladon 18:03, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

pleo
Hi. I had no idea this was previously discussed. If there were no attestations for "pleo", the right thing to do would be to mark it as reconstructed; the evidence for the existance of the root form is overwhelming. But fortunately there is no need to do that; here you have a link to an attestation of the third person plural present indicative in the passive voice, "plentur". And here you have a Medieval example of the perfect "plevimus". And these are just what I found in a few minutes of Googling. With access to a good database, finding further evidence should be trivial. Best Λεξικόφιλος 08:22, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * One thing you (Caladon) could do is restore the original deleted revision of "pleo" created by me, and then send "pleo" for RFV. If and after it fails RFV, the result of the failed RFV is going to be posted to Talk:pleo, so it is going to be easily traceable why the entry was deleted. --Dan Polansky 08:36, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Λεξικόφιλος, you can post the citations to Citations:pleo; see Citations:identicus for a model. See also WT:CFI. --Dan Polansky 08:36, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * RFV seems to take ages, especially for Latin words, since I have sent three Latin entries to it lately, and they have not received any attention. The citations appear sufficient, but please do remember that the citations attest pleo after repleo, so the etymology of repleo needs to reflect this. I have no idea about reconstructed pages for Latin, and it is currently not very well established. Caladon 17:55, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * An entry should sit in RFV for at least a month. You have sent "superextruxi" for RFV on 5 January 2011 (RFV). As a month has now passed, you can close the RFV on the term as failed, and delete the entry, archiving the discussion at Talk:superextruxi. You can delete the page as you are an admin. See the top of WT:RFV for further instructions. --Dan Polansky 18:09, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I will deal with it eventually if nothing comes of it, but I thought that there might be a chance for some further input. Caladon 10:03, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I do not know where the input would come from. I have once sent a Latin entry that I have myself created to RFV (identicus), from where it was attested by Mglovesfun, so in that case it worked. But he does not really do Latin; he just used Google search in a way that did not occur to me. If you really want to get an entry attested, you usually have to do it yourself. It you think that the probability of attestation is low, then you would send it to RFV, with the intention that the entry gets deleted. There are almost no people in Wiktionary who do Latin, so sending a Latin entry to RFV is really a request for its deletion unless per chance someone is able to attest it. Recently, SemperBlotto has been rather active in Latin, but I find it unlikely that he would spend time attesting questionable Latin entries; he seems to do a great volume work rather than wasting too much time on a single entry.
 * That said, I see no harm when you leave an entry in RFV for three months. --Dan Polansky 10:31, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I have done what you describe for superextruxi:, but I have left the other two, since I am less sure of those (although ficio: looks deletable to me). Caladon 11:03, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

prudens
Shouldn't the macron be on the "u" rather than the "e"? (I'm about to add adverb and superlative) SemperBlotto 14:21, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it should be like how I changed it to, with both, because 3rd-1E adjectives with -ens, usually have macrons corresponding to -ēns, -entis, like participles. Apparently this is a contraction of providens, which is a participle anyway. prudenter: then has no macron on 'e' because it is from the genitive. Caladon 14:24, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Caladon/Archive 2


text:
principo

Noun

 * 1) principle

title: principo


text: tańsi

title: tańsi


text:
mărime

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) size
 * 2) magnitude
 * 3) greatness (numerical)

title: mărime


text:
enkorpigi

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1) to embody

title: enkorpigi


text:
acidulus

Etymology
.

Adjective

 * : somewhat sour, sourish, acidulous

Descendants

 * From
 * Padanian:
 * Northern Gallo-Romance:
 * Southern Gallo-Romance:
 * Borrowings:
 * Southern Gallo-Romance:
 * Borrowings:
 * Southern Gallo-Romance:
 * Borrowings:
 * Borrowings:
 * Borrowings:
 * Borrowings:

title: acidulus


text:
sintáctico

Etymology
, from.

Adjective

 * 1) syntactic

title: sintáctico


text:
adminiculum

Noun

 * 1)  That which gives support to a part.
 * 2)  The expansion of fibers extending from the superior pubic ligament to the posterior surface of the linea alba.

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) a prop, stay, support
 * 2) support, help, aid, assistance
 * 3) assistant, auxiliary

title: adminiculum


text:
Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/weyd-

Root

 * 1)  to see

Derived terms

 * *wéyd-e-ti

 * *wéyd-se-ti

 * *wéyd-ti

 * *wid-é-t
 * Armenian:
 * (third person singular: *woide(d))
 * (third person singular: vīdit)
 * (third person singular: *woide(d))
 * (third person singular: vīdit)
 * (third person singular: *woide(d))
 * (third person singular: vīdit)

 * *wi-né-d-ti ~ *wi-n-d-énti
 * Armenian:

 * *wóyd-e ~ *wid-ḗr

 * *woyd-éye-ti
 * Celtic:
 * Old Avestan:
 * Younger Avestan:
 * Old Avestan:
 * Younger Avestan:
 * Old Avestan:
 * Younger Avestan:
 * Old Avestan:
 * Younger Avestan:

 * *wéyd-o-s

 * *wéyd-os ~ *wéyd-es-os

 * *weyd-eh₂-li-mo-s

 * *n̥-weyd-h₁-lo-s

 * *wéyd-ih₂ ~ *wid-yéh₂-s

 * *weyd-oh₂-lo-m
 * *wéyd-ti-s ~ *wid-téy-s
 * *weyd-to-s
 * *wéyd-tōr ~ *wid-tr-és
 * *wéyd-tu-s ~ *wid-téw-s
 * Italic:
 * *n̥-wid-eh₂-
 * *wid-és-eh₂
 * *n̥-wid-ḗs (<*n̥-wid-és-s)
 * *né-wid-s
 * *wid-m̥-h₃onh₂-
 * *wid-ri-s
 * *wid-ró-s
 * *wid-tó-s
 * *wid-yó-s
 * Unsorted formations:
 * Albanian:
 * Armenian:
 * Balto-Slavic:
 * Hellenic:
 * *n̥-wid-ḗs (<*n̥-wid-és-s)
 * *né-wid-s
 * *wid-m̥-h₃onh₂-
 * *wid-ri-s
 * *wid-ró-s
 * *wid-tó-s
 * *wid-yó-s
 * Unsorted formations:
 * Albanian:
 * Armenian:
 * Balto-Slavic:
 * Hellenic:
 * *wid-ró-s
 * *wid-tó-s
 * *wid-yó-s
 * Unsorted formations:
 * Albanian:
 * Armenian:
 * Balto-Slavic:
 * Hellenic:
 * Unsorted formations:
 * Albanian:
 * Armenian:
 * Balto-Slavic:
 * Hellenic:
 * Balto-Slavic:
 * Hellenic:
 * Hellenic:
 * Hellenic:
 * Hellenic:
 * Hellenic:


text:
leksemo

Noun

 * 1)  lexeme

title: leksemo


text:
nekompleta

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) incomplete

title: nekompleta


text:
Rhymes:Catalan/un

One syllable

 * un

Two syllables

 * algun

Three syllables

 * cadascun

title: Rhymes:Catalan/un


text:
spind

Etymology
From, of origin.

Noun

 * 1) fat
 * 2) grease

title: spind


text: spinder

title: spinder


text: spandt

title: spandt


text: spundet

title: spundet


text:
korekte

Adverb

 * 1) correctly

title: korekte


text:
User:Thefamousmoe

Personal background: I am from a small town in North Carolina. I grew up in a log cabin and spent most of my youth interacting with media in some way. I didn't have any neighbors my age, so to entertain myself I would watch tv or play video games. I suppose that is why I am so interested in how the media shapes (and in turn is shaped by) its audience.

Professional/Academic background: I received a BS from Appalachian State University in Electronic Media / Broadcasting. I am currently pursuing my masters in Media Literacy.

Information/Technology background: I do not have any professional experience in this field, but I do have a significant amount of theoretical experience from the classes I have taken.

Funny story or interesting item about yourself to remember you by: I directed, produced, and edited an 8-minute documentary about zombies.

Anything else you'd like to share: I am in the process of revising my paper, "Middle Eastern Representation in Post 9/11 Video Games", so that it may be submitted for publication.

title: User:Thefamousmoe


text:
भैया

Etymology
Diminutive of, from , ultimately from.

Noun

 * 1) elder brother

title: भैया


text:
lernado

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)   (act in which something is learned)

title: lernado


text: मां

title: मां


text:
căsătorie

Etymology
From, cf. .

Noun

 * 1) marriage, wedlock, matrimony

title: căsătorie


text:
दाँत

Etymology
..

Noun

 * 1) tooth
 * 2) tusk
 * 1) tusk

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) tooth, teeth
 * 2) teeth of a gear

title: दाँत


text: leksikajn

title: leksikajn


text: leksikaj

title: leksikaj


text: leksikan

title: leksikan


text: nekompletaj

title: nekompletaj


text: leksemoj

title: leksemoj


text: sintáctica

title: sintáctica


text: nekompletan

title: nekompletan


text: sintácticos

title: sintácticos


text: nekompletajn

title: nekompletajn


text: leksemon

title: leksemon


text: sintácticas

title: sintácticas


text: leksemojn

title: leksemojn


text: gramatikaj

title: gramatikaj


text: gramatikajn

title: gramatikajn


text:
कायनात

Etymology
, a pluralic nominalization of the active participle of.

Noun

 * 1) universe

title: कायनात


text: lernadon

title: lernadon


text: svisan

title: svisan


text: svisaj

title: svisaj


text: svisajn

title: svisajn


text: manifestaciojn

title: manifestaciojn


text: telefonzsinórok

title: telefonzsinórok


text: manifestacioj

title: manifestacioj


text:
manifestacion

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) manifestation
 * 2) demonstration

title: manifestacion


text: sennomaj

title: sennomaj


text: sennoman

title: sennoman


text: sennomajn

title: sennomajn


text:
sliddery

Etymology
From, , , equivalent to. Compare also 🇨🇬. More at.

Adjective

 * 1)  Slippery.

title: sliddery


text: montopintoj

title: montopintoj


text: montopinton

title: montopinton


text: montopintojn

title: montopintojn


text: kompleksaj

title: kompleksaj


text: kompleksajn

title: kompleksajn


text: lateron

title: lateron


text: lateroj

title: lateroj


text: laterojn

title: laterojn


text: sligh

title: sligh


text:
याद

Etymology
, from. Compare 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) a memory, recollection

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) rememberance, memory

title: याद


text: principojn

title: principojn


text: principon

title: principon


text: principoj

title: principoj


text: filaĵoj

title: filaĵoj


text: filaĵon

title: filaĵon


text: filaĵojn

title: filaĵojn


text: blogistoj

title: blogistoj


text: blogiston

title: blogiston


text: blogistojn

title: blogistojn


text: grafikistoj

title: grafikistoj


text: grafikiston

title: grafikiston


text: grafikistojn

title: grafikistojn


text: eksterterajn

title: eksterterajn


text: eksterteran

title: eksterteran


text: eksterteraj

title: eksterteraj


text: kosmonaŭtojn

title: kosmonaŭtojn


text: kosmonaŭton

title: kosmonaŭton


text: kosmonaŭtoj

title: kosmonaŭtoj


text: ĝemeliĝon

title: ĝemeliĝon


text: infanaĝon

title: infanaĝon


text: ĝemelurbojn

title: ĝemelurbojn


text: ĝemelurbon

title: ĝemelurbon


text: ĝemelurboj

title: ĝemelurboj


text: यादाश्त

title: यादाश्त


text: valettava

title: valettava


text: vastapaistetut

title: vastapaistetut


text: sintaksaj

title: sintaksaj


text: sintaksan

title: sintaksan


text: plantars

title: plantars


text:
duonvokalo

Noun

 * 1) semivowel
 * Atentu, ke la litero jo ne estas vokalo: ĝi estas nur duonvokalo.  —Ramo Moraloj-Kastelo
 * Beware, that the letter jay is not a vowel: it is only a semivowel.

title: duonvokalo


text:
pullollaan

Etymology
< (adessive singular) + possessive suffix; the stem is from

Adverb

 * 1) bulging with, bursting with, abound with

title: pullollaan


text: telefonvonalak

title: telefonvonalak


text: duonvokaloj

title: duonvokaloj


text: duonvokalon

title: duonvokalon


text: duonvokalojn

title: duonvokalojn


text: Bartolomeon

title: Bartolomeon


text: instruadoj

title: instruadoj


text: instruadon

title: instruadon


text: instruadojn

title: instruadojn


text: elektadoj

title: elektadoj


text: elektadon

title: elektadon


text: elektadojn

title: elektadojn


text: Benedikton

title: Benedikton


text: Konstantinopolon

title: Konstantinopolon


text: enciklikoj

title: enciklikoj


text: enciklikon

title: enciklikon


text: enciklikojn

title: enciklikojn


text: katekismoj

title: katekismoj


text: katekismon

title: katekismon


text: katekismojn

title: katekismojn


text: sanktulojn

title: sanktulojn


text: sanktulon

title: sanktulon


text: sanktuloj

title: sanktuloj


text: krucumoj

title: krucumoj


text: krucumon

title: krucumon


text: krucumojn

title: krucumojn


text: koncilioj

title: koncilioj


text: koncilion

title: koncilion


text: konciliojn

title: konciliojn


text: komunecoj

title: komunecoj


text: Pentekoston

title: Pentekoston


text: komunecojn

title: komunecojn


text: komunecon

title: komunecon


text:
atenteme

Adverb

 * 1) attentively

title: atenteme


text: nenian

title: nenian


text:
remekmű

Noun

 * 1) masterpiece, masterwork, chef d'œuvre

title: remekmű


text:
remekművek

Etymology
From the remekműv- stem of.

title: remekművek


text:
reala

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) practical
 * 2) real, actual
 * 1) real, actual

Etymology
, all ultimately from.

Adjective

 * 1) real actually existing, not imaginary, not fictitious

title: reala


text:
priparoli

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1) to talk about, discuss

title: priparoli


text:
briliáns

Etymology
From, from , , from , from. With ending.

Adjective

 * 1) brilliant surpassing excellence

Noun

 * 1) brilliant a finely cut gemstone, especially a diamond

title: briliáns


text: briliánsok

title: briliánsok


text: briliánsabb

title: briliánsabb


text: legbriliánsabb

title: legbriliánsabb


text:
kajero

Etymology
..

Noun

 * 1) notebook

title: kajero


text: delenis

title: delenis


text: delenit

title: delenit


text: delenimus

title: delenimus


text: delenitis

title: delenitis


text: deleniunt

title: deleniunt


text: deleniam

title: deleniam


text: delenies

title: delenies


text: deleniet

title: deleniet


text: deleniemus

title: deleniemus


text: delenietis

title: delenietis


text: delenient

title: delenient


text: deleniebam

title: deleniebam


text: deleniebas

title: deleniebas


text: deleniebat

title: deleniebat


text: deleniebamus

title: deleniebamus


text: deleniebatis

title: deleniebatis


text: deleniebant

title: deleniebant


text: delenivi

title: delenivi


text: delenivisti

title: delenivisti


text: delenivit

title: delenivit


text: delenivimus

title: delenivimus


text: delenivistis

title: delenivistis


text: deleniverunt

title: deleniverunt


text: delenivero

title: delenivero


text: deleniveris

title: deleniveris


text: deleniverit

title: deleniverit


text: deleniverimus

title: deleniverimus


text: deleniveritis

title: deleniveritis


text: deleniverint

title: deleniverint


text: deleniveram

title: deleniveram


text: deleniveras

title: deleniveras


text: deleniverat

title: deleniverat


text: deleniveramus

title: deleniveramus


text: deleniveratis

title: deleniveratis


text: deleniverant

title: deleniverant


text: delenior

title: delenior


text: deleniris

title: deleniris


text: delenitur

title: delenitur


text: delenimur

title: delenimur


text: delenimini

title: delenimini


text: deleniuntur

title: deleniuntur


text: deleniar

title: deleniar


text: delenieris

title: delenieris


text: delenietur

title: delenietur


text: deleniemur

title: deleniemur


text: deleniemini

title: deleniemini


text: delenientur

title: delenientur


text: deleniebar

title: deleniebar


text: deleniebaris

title: deleniebaris


text: deleniebatur

title: deleniebatur


text: deleniebamur

title: deleniebamur


text: deleniebamini

title: deleniebamini


text: deleniebantur

title: deleniebantur


text: delenias

title: delenias


text: deleniat

title: deleniat


text: deleniamus

title: deleniamus


text: deleniatis

title: deleniatis


text: deleniant

title: deleniant


text: delenirem

title: delenirem


text: delenires

title: delenires


text: deleniret

title: deleniret


text: deleniremus

title: deleniremus


text: deleniretis

title: deleniretis


text: delenirent

title: delenirent


text: deleniverim

title: deleniverim


text: delenivissem

title: delenivissem


text: delenivisses

title: delenivisses


text: delenivisset

title: delenivisset


text: delenivissemus

title: delenivissemus


text: delenivissetis

title: delenivissetis


text: delenivissent

title: delenivissent


text: deleniaris

title: deleniaris


text: deleniatur

title: deleniatur


text: deleniamur

title: deleniamur


text: deleniamini

title: deleniamini


text: deleniantur

title: deleniantur


text: delenirer

title: delenirer


text: delenireris

title: delenireris


text: deleniretur

title: deleniretur


text: deleniremur

title: deleniremur


text: deleniremini

title: deleniremini


text: delenirentur

title: delenirentur


text: deleni

title: deleni


text: delenito

title: delenito


text: acidulum

title: acidulum


text: delenite

title: delenite


text: delenitote

title: delenitote


text: deleniunto

title: deleniunto


text: delenire

title: delenire


text: delenitor

title: delenitor


text: deleniuntor

title: deleniuntor


text: acidulae

title: acidulae


text: delenivisse

title: delenivisse


text: acidulorum

title: acidulorum


text: deleniri

title: deleniri


text: acidularum

title: acidularum


text: acidulis

title: acidulis


text: acidulam

title: acidulam


text: acidulos

title: acidulos


text: adminiculi

title: adminiculi


text: adminiculorum

title: adminiculorum


text: adminiculis

title: adminiculis


text:
bonkoreco

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) goodheartedness

title: bonkoreco


text:
dance studio

Noun

 * 1) A studio where dancing skills can be practiced and trained.

Translations

 * Dutch:
 * Finnish: tanssikoulu
 * German:
 * Hungarian:
 * Irish: scoil damhsa, scoil rince
 * Kazakh: би мектебі
 * Norwegian: danseskole

title: dance studio


text:
dance school

Noun

 * 1) A dance studio.

title: dance school


text:
Tanzschule

Noun

 * 1) dance school

title: Tanzschule


text: consedones

title: consedones


text: consedonis

title: consedonis


text: consedonum

title: consedonum


text: consedoni

title: consedoni


text: consedonibus

title: consedonibus


text: consedonem

title: consedonem


text: consedone

title: consedone


text:
valööri

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  value relative darkness or lightness of a color

title: valööri