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Wiktionary:Grease pit/2010/April

= April 2010 =

Right-to-left scripts
Has MediaWiki improved at dealing with right-to-left scripts? Either than or Firefox has, as I'm hvaing a lot less trouble with copy-and-pasting (for etymologies, etc.) Mglovesfun (talk) 08:05, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Languages and scripts
Due to my recent edits, the script of any language may be found at the main language category. Example: "Latin script" in the introduction of. --Daniel. 17:39, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That's helpful. --Bequw → τ 18:46, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Thank you! I've been longing for this. —msh210℠ 23:30, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Requested entries:French/a
And the other 25 of the same nature, clearly. Is there any way that any bot could clear all the blue links for words that have a French section? It would make it a lot easier to find the missing words. It would really help us create French entries a lot faster). Mglovesfun (talk) 09:43, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think User:Equinox uses a tool to strip the blue links from a page. Ask him about it. --Rising Sun talk? contributions 09:58, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * User:Equinox/Antiblue --Rising Sun talk? contributions 09:59, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Horizontal lists
At WT:Usability, I'm experimenting with horizontal lists. My one problem now is showing a horizontal sublist inside a vertical list (last column in the table). The , from , at the end of the sublist, however, ends the outside ul causing the final element of the main list to be separated into it's own ul. Any ideas about how to keep the main list together? --Bequw → τ 18:52, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Interwiki links on templates
Could we codify our policy on interlanguage links for templates at Links? It's been said that we don't place them directly on the template page (reducing confusion and allowing non-admins to add links for protected templates). We have, however, close to 200 templates that do have them (e.g. ). If we don't put them directly in the template page, do want to transclude them from another location, or just iwiki the talk pages? , for example, transcludes them from the talk page (hampering talk page iwikis, but those are rarely useful) whereas Wikipedia uses a full-blown “template doc page pattern” (allowing in addition documentation to be shown on the main template page while still allowing easy editing for protected templates). Are either of these approaches standard? --Bequw → τ 15:04, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

 * We really should adopt a pattern like Wikipedia's: iwikis don't work on talk-pages, and it's only out of a stubborn and unproductive anti-Wikipedism that we pretend to put them there. takes an interesting approach: it meets the "letter" of the Wiktionary norm, but violates the "spirit" by making it function properly. I'd rather just have a functional norm to begin with, but if that's off the table, then 's approach (or a similar one using labeled-section transclusion) is the way to go. —Ruakh TALK 17:42, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Transclusion of interwikis from talkpages (or elssewhere) sounds good to me. Modifying a template page itself for each interwiki change does not. (Think job queue: we have a good number of very, very heavily transcluded templates.) —msh210℠ 23:29, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Re: modifying the template page itself: Well, of course not. No one's proposing that. :-)  —Ruakh TALK 13:25, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * To clarify: Will transclusion of the links from elsewhere affect the job queue when the transcluded page is modified?  My understanding has always been that transclusion does not eliminate the problem. --EncycloPetey 23:31, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * To clarify that question: Note that here the interwiki links being transcluded into the template are not then transcluded with the template. Does anyone know? (If EP's present perfect continuous understanding is right, then I take back my statement that transclusion sounds good.) —msh210℠ 00:09, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * As long as the subpage is transcluded within a <noinclude>, it should be fine: the links table won't consider the subpage to be transcluded in pages that transclude the template. (If you're concerned, you can play around with Special:WhatLinksHere and see for yourself.) —Ruakh TALK 13:25, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Functionally I think interlanguage wiki links should be shown on templates and that the text for those links should be stored somewhere else (either the talk page or a /doc subpage) so they can be updated with minimal hassle. I also would strongly encourage having our documentation show up on the template page rather than on just the talk page. People often navigate to templates via "What links here" and it is needlessly evasive to continually encounter "See talk page". --Bequw → τ 16:42, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

 * +1! +1! —Ruakh TALK 17:06, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * If we do that, we need to update to link to the template page. (An easy matter.) —msh210℠ 17:29, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Updated. When the /doc exists, now links to the main template page. This should allow for a smooth transition of the documentation from talk pages to /doc subpages. --Bequw → τ 23:01, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

 * I've repurposed to use the 'pedia paradigm (cats, iwikis and documentation on a /doc). See . Look fine? --Bequw → τ 02:18, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Not on my computer, at least. You've put the information about documentation beside the template contents, rather than below it.  Can we set these up so that won't happen?  We also need a clear link that allows people who drop by to add interwiki links to know where to place them.  This isn't at all obvious with the preliminary set-up. --EncycloPetey 04:03, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Conrad kindly pushed the transcluded content below what is shown visually on the template page. I've added some text linking to the (w/ edit link) to the /doc subpage. Please improve. --Bequw → τ 00:33, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The link to the page is good, and the direct edit link seems an excellent idea. --EncycloPetey 04:36, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Would someone be able to generate a list of template talk pages with iwiki links? Those would be a good place to start cleanup. --Bequw → τ 02:26, 23 April 2010 (UTC) Done. --Bequw → τ 22:13, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Dawnraybot not creating certain pages
Today there's been a strange problem in User:Dawnraybot creating pages - every dozen or so pages he tries to add don't work, and there's an error message in Python saying Unknown Error. API Error code:internal_api_error_MWException Information:Exception Caught: MagicWordArray::parseMatch: parameter not found There seems to be no reason for this, as I've changed nothing on the bot settings, and there's nothing unusual about the particular pages which have caused this problem. Any techheads know how I can fix this? --Rising Sun talk? contributions 09:09, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * "They" are busy updating MediaWiki, is this still a problem? Conrad.Irwin 12:47, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

 * SemperBlottoBot has also stopped working. I get :-

Getting a page to check if we're logged in on wiktionary:en Getting page to get a token. Getting page Sandbox Getting page to get a token. Getting page Sandbox Creating page fluidificazioni Current MediaWiki message dump is one month old, reloading Retrieving MediaWiki messages for wiktionary:en Parsing MediaWiki messages ERROR: MediaWiki_Msg caused error Error URL: /w/index.php?title=Special:Allmessages&ot=html. Dump MediaWiki_Msg_wiktionary_en__Sat_Apr_10_08-06-47_2010.dump created.

SemperBlotto 07:09, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Interestingly, I get a "WARNING: Token not found on wiktionary:en. You will not be able to edit any page." message, but then FitBot successfully creates the page anyway. Mind you, FitBot has has remained logged in since before whatever happened, so this may not work after FitBot next logs out.  Updated files may need to be downloaded before the bots will work again, and we've had to go through this before.  Does anyone know where notification of such things is posted? --EncycloPetey 07:24, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

 * I've downloaded the latest release of "pywikipedia" from - works OK now (but with new messages). SemperBlotto 09:25, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Hmm... now that I've updated, FitBot can't log-in at all. --EncycloPetey 05:15, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

 * There was a "breaking change" to the login procedure, as usual announced after it was made, breaking every bot and automation in sight. Took me hours (and a really grody hack ;-) to get Interwicket logged in again. (on 170 projects ...)

 * Subscribe to the wikimedia -tech and -api lists, and then watch for trouble amongst all the noise. Don't ever try to have your bot log itself in; use login.py to do it first. If it still doesn't work, I can probably tell you how to patch together the cookies file. Robert Ullmann 15:56, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Interwiki audio broken?
What's happened to my audio entries at e.g. userland:, hackerish:? They show as red with no icon. Equinox ◑ 16:20, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's because your Latino. --Rising Sun talk? contributions 19:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Fixed. Someone changed the default case-sensitivity for remote files to be the same as local files (instead of case-insensitive) by default. Wikimedia configuration has now been updated to make it case-insensitive again (like commons, and unlike wiktionary). Conrad.Irwin 22:35, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Templates top and mid
MglovesfunBot has replaced these (rather quickly) with, , and. Are we ok to add the proper content now? I.e the language names. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:26, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * "rather quickly" being the operative... We should wait at least a few days to see if anyone/thing is still adding these incorrectly. As penance for being too quick, perhaps you'd like to join in the unautomated, thankless, task of Category:Translation table header lacks gloss; to appease its custodians after trebling their workload. Conrad.Irwin 11:34, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * There are 2000 more to add because the entries no longer use an outdated template. A translation table without a header is better than no translations at all, right? Anyway, I just might do that. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:15, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably, though an empty is no better than a . I've put the easy ones on WT:TODO for everyone to have a go with. Conrad.Irwin 12:40, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It allows WT:EDIT, while top (and indeed every other template at all) does not. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:44, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Australian Aboriginal mythology
Can someone please create a context tag for this (I don't know how)? I have created entries for songline, dreaming track, Dreaming and Dreamtime but at the moment the templates are all red links. Thanks. ---> Tooironic 06:19, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Template:Australian Aboriginal mythology created, along with Category:Australian Aboriginal mythology, Template:topic cat description/Australian Aboriginal mythology and Template:topic cat parents/Australian Aboriginal mythology. --Yair rand 06:37, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks heaps, you're a legend! ---> Tooironic 08:49, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Easier synonyms
Is there a way we can make adding synonyms and antonyms easier? My recollection is that adding to wikisaurus was kind of a chore, can we make it simpler? Would we need a bot to make it simpler? RJFJR 00:34, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know whether it's possible to have a bot do that kind of work, unless we have a very crappy WkiSaurus (no additional comment on that). To do synonyms well requires that shades of meaning and related meaning be sorted properly. --EncycloPetey 02:36, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It should be possible, if timeconsuming, to create something that works along the lines of the translation adder. I beleive Yair looked at it briefly. I'd prefer to add synonyms to the main entry, as well as to Wikisaurus - though I'm not sure how to get away from the duplication. Conrad.Irwin 10:40, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Gloss template
Is there any particular reason why Template:gloss doesn't italicise the text it displays? Unitalicised text in brackets can easily be taken as optional material. Surely the contents should be displayed using Template:italbrac ? — Paul G 09:22, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the idea is that it is optional (in a sense). It's used to clarify the preceding word (or phrase). Someone who understands the preceding word without the gloss needn't read it (the gloss). Kinda like the way I'm using parentheses in this post, especially my last pair. —msh210℠ 15:13, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Template:in wikipedia
What is the appropriate way to use this template? Or is it just subjective and to be judged on a case-by-case basis? Mglovesfun (talk) 12:36, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

freakin' bot
Hi, we could get a bot to create thousands of -in' forms like this. It would be cool

Verb
--Rising Sun talk? contributions 12:56, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * But not yours? Mglovesfun (talk) 12:58, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * No, too much manual work for my bot, which doesn't read from categories or templates. --Rising Sun talk? contributions 13:01, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Since present participles like eatin' and doin' are so common, I think they should appear in. --Daniel. 13:11, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Who would benefit if we included this information in ? I have no problem with a bot creating the citable forms, I don't imagine that all verbs exist in this form, let's do some optimizin' here. Conrad.Irwin 14:39, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I would benefit for not having to look for a link to kiddin' at possibly the Derived terms section of kid, for instance. By extension, other people might want to find these terms easily too, in the headword line which is a more intuitive place for English verb conjugations. I didn't say we should add the -in' forms to all verbs; I suppose one additional parameter to would suffice. --Daniel. 15:03, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Nah, these are not used in formal writing, except as eye dialect. We don't even list the non-third-person-singular present (conjugate) or many other forms: I don't think we should list this one. But having entries, yes, absolutely. They can be bot-made if the bot can check for cites, which seems (to me, but what do I know) unlikely, or if people can add attested words to a list and the bot can read the list — but then it'd probably be about s easy for people to make the entries. —msh210℠ 15:17, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * If this were to happen we may as well include -in forms too: freakin and eatin and playin etc. -z third-person singular forms are another question: freakz, eatzz, playz. As is -z as a plural - I'm surprised boyz and kidz don't have entries yet. --Rising Sun talk? contributions 18:48, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Then there's some archaic -'d, -eth and -est forms like warn'd and warneth and warnest. I'll add something to Appendix:English verbs --Rising Sun talk? contributions 10:14, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

German also provides some amazing potential. Contractions of 2nd person singular present form + du are almost always valid. So siehst + du = siehste, lachst + du = lachste, freust + du = freuste,... -- Prince Kassad 19:59, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You say "almost"> Is there a bot-readable criterion (besides attestation, which of course is the real criterion we care about)? —msh210℠ 15:02, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Help with categories
When I added the category Chinese surnames to two pages defining Chinese characters, those characters then showed up in the category page as their own subsection as you can see on the category page ([]). This will soon get out of hand. Is there a way to simply separate out all of the Chinese characters or non-Latin entries? Wakablogger 06:25, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * If you place a letter/character at the end of the category statement thus: this entry will be listed under that letter/character - in this case X — hth — Saltmarsh απάντηση 19:12, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Great, thank you! I've put them under 字 for the time being and will refer the question of what character/letter is best to the Tea Room. Wakablogger 20:26, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The standard method is to use a radical stroke key, followed by the entry title. So 张 uses a sort key of 弓04张. That way they all appear under the canonical order. And you can "steal" the radical index from Category:Han characters to put in the cat page. Robert Ullmann 13:43, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * If the Latin and Chinese can be separated out and the Chinese sequenced that way, that sounds great. I tried adding the template to the category:Chinese surnames page, but could not figure out how to get it to work. Wakablogger 01:07, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course the Latin appear first, under keys A-z, not surprisingly. No trouble "separating" them. I added the TOCs. Robert Ullmann 15:47, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I did not know this was possible. Unfortunately, the radical ordering is not working. The character 李 comes after all the other characters, even after other characters with the 木 radical. Wakablogger 23:36, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Please could anyone who is able have a look at Template talk:el-form-of-nounadj. There may perhaps be stndard argument/variable names which would be more appropraite. thanks — Saltmarsh απάντηση 19:06, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

IPA and SAMPA templates need more parameters
and currently it seems support up to four parameters. However at pwned, six are needed. may need expanding as well but I don't know. Could someone who understands the templates work the magic please. Cheers, Thryduulf 23:37, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. --Yair rand 23:44, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Now that is excellent service. Thank you. Thryduulf 23:54, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Italian stress-marking pronunciation
I've noticed in the pronunciation section of several Italian entries there are respellings of the word with a grave accent marking the vowel in the stressed syllable.

As a quick and dirty start at harmonising the presentation of these, I've created template:it-stress, which at present does nothing but precede the input with the label "Stress:". Please feel free to discuss/improve/expand upon/throw it all out and start again. Thryduulf 13:23, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

rfe and rfp
Should these automatically categorize in English categories when no language is given? I was planning on add lang= to these, but there's no category for the ones that don't have a language specified, as they just get categorized in English anyway. Mglovesfun (talk) 14:20, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Spanning divs
I'm trying out something with, somewhat similar to , except inside the definition list. The problem that I'm having is that the  's are being ended immediately after the template (see the page source of User:Atelaes/Sandbox), while I want them to continue until they're ended with. Any ideas why? -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 04:20, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Oh dear, it would appear that the problem has to do with partially overlapping elements, which, I believe, are not allowed. This could be trickier than I expected.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 05:02, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

bot boo
Hi. In creating some Portuguese present participles, where there should be ''', my bot added ’’’ instead, because my word file auto-corrected them, e.g. with nadando. Can I hire the services of one of our correct-o-bots to fix these? --Rising Sun talk? contributions 06:38, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Run the pywikipediabot's "replace.py" script. Conrad.Irwin 09:04, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I can do that rather quickly anyway. Mglovesfun (talk) 09:06, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You shouldn't have to though. Conrad.Irwin 09:09, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * This doesn't address your question, but for future use, Word (at least versions I've used) has auto-correction of straight quotation marks optional: you can turn it off. (Or use a good editor. ) —msh210℠ 15:04, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Catalan adjectives
I've noticed we have FOUR templates for Catalan adjectives (ignoring . should definitely be deleted as redundant.  and  should IMO be merged into  (since renamed) which seems to be the most functional of the templates. It's gonna require some serious AWB use to get all of these in line, luckily we have just a few hundred Catalan adjectives! There are similar problems with Catalan nouns (but not verbs AFAICT) but I'll get to them later, maybe tomorrow morning. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:12, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'm working on . However doesn't seem to work like  where it assumes that the masculine and the feminine are the same, it seems to have exactly the same function as . I'd expect something like

Adjective
global and  (plural globals)

Which would be the same as would produce for French, but it would actually list four form: global, globala, globals and globales. Which (at least according to what I'm reading) is in correct. So I'll make a start on as well. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:38, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I've worked out what to do, but in the process of doing it will make a mess of some entries. Does anyone if I make a mess then fix it myself with say, one day. We have 290 Catalan adjectives and some of those use so they won't be affected. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:10, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Done, all of that. There are a couple of things I need to add back to, but that's it. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:29, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Template:homophones
There's been a suggestion that this should categorize in. We usually set English as a default, but that's gonna load up the English category with lots of non-English words. The other possibility, which we seem to never use here, is for it to only categorize when lang= is given. In any event, a bot will be needed because of the number of transclusions. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:01, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Where was the proposal made? What purpose does categorising homophones serve?

just leaves me thinking "homophones of what?" Conrad.Irwin 17:31, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * See WT:RFDO. —msh210℠ 18:14, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * What he said. I'm against it, but it seems other are not. Mglovesfun (talk) 09:53, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I suppose the homophones are listed in the entry. But in terms of a category, per what SemperBlotto recently said "is this supposed to help users?" I tend to agree. Homophones in entries very helpful. Having these entries in a category, not all that helpful. Might be useful for school children who are given a homework of finding homophones. That's all I have. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Help:Creating a template
I've created this. Please better it and/or comment. —msh210℠ 17:26, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Hideable inline quotes
Hey, would anyone interested in trying out a wacky bit of probably dangerous code be willing to add 'importScript('User:Atelaes/InlineBox.js');' to their monobook.js (without the apostrophes, mind you)? If so, follow that up by taking a look at User:Atelaes/Sandbox. It's something I've been working on and finally managed to get going, with some much appreciated help from Conrad.Irwin. I thought I'd bring it here and get the bugs worked out of it by the techies before I started asking folks on the BP whether this is something we can accept seeing on Wiktionary. Also, does anyone know if it's possible to get the template itself to import the script? It seems kind of silly to have to ask everyone to edit their own js page to see it in action. It also seems a bit silly to have to load every bit of js on every page. I guess I'm kind of new to this realm of Wiktionary. Be gentle. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 14:51, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

 * If you add a node with an id to the template's output, then you can add a snippet to Common.js (otherwise you can just check wgPageName) - there are already a few scripts that do a combination of both for the edit-page and search-page which you can copy. Something like: Conrad.Irwin 14:57, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

if (wgPageName == 'User:Atelaes/Sandbox' ) { importScript('User:Atelaes/InlineBox.js'); } else { addOnloadHook(function { if(document.getElementById('grc-cite'))     importScript('User:Atelaes/InlineBox.js');    }); }

 * Well, I suppose that's something, but it still requires making edits to our only global javascript page, and it still requires utterly useless calculations being performed on most pages. Granted, the time taken on these calculations is probably on the order of microseconds for most users, which I suspect is well below their absolute threshold, but still.  It just doesn't seem like a terribly scalable methodology.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 01:44, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

 * That's the only truly automatic way, if you don't mind asking people to click buttons, you can add it to WT:PREFS (User:Hippietrail/custom.js) or to Special:Gadgets. The javascript itself looks good, though it seems to make the definition list have irregularly heighted lines, and the text is perhaps too small (perhaps change the label to be "quotations", and the hover-text to be "show" if the button is too big). Conrad.Irwin 14:16, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

 * I've embiggened them to .65em. You're right, of course, that they were too small to be easily legible, but my concern is that they be clearly set apart from the def text.  I think .65 makes for a happy medium, but feel free to disagree with me on that.  As for the line spacing, it does seem to be slightly larger with the JS in play, but I am at a loss as to how to solve it.  Then again, the difference is quite subtle; I had to zoom in pretty far to even see it.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 23:37, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Neat. Setting "line-height: 1.5em" on the <span> seems to fix it, but I'm not sure why either. Conrad.Irwin 10:30, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I like it. Could this be expanded to allow for selective showing of more data sections between the sense lines? I think it would be great if all the sense-specific info (translations, antonyms, synonyms) could be actually right next to each sense and viewable with adjacent links. This would obliviating the need for cludgy "glosses".--Bequw → τ 23:06, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Unfortunately, it can't. Truth be told, it was my original intention to create it with such expandability, but the way Wiktionary does the ordered listing precludes it.  The problem is that almost any deviation from the standard breaks the definition ordering, i.e. the next definition becomes number one.  If someone can think of a way to jam other kinds of content inside a def to begin with, I might be able to figure out a way to let the template see it and do piecemeal showing.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 23:43, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Using the "cludgy" glosses (iff they are present), it is quite possible to re-unite sections at page in javascript. This has been done by "paper view" since 2007 (ouch, that makes me feel old). I think that we should concentrate on getting the quotations button working and accepted by the community before we start making (heaven forbid) "progress" - though it would be cool. Conrad.Irwin 00:03, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Template:shavian
In cleaning up the pronunciation section of the quadrillion entry, I've found that it has one of the two pronunciations written in the Shavian alphabet. To support this, I've created template:shavian, but my template skills are low and it needs more work. Specifically it needs support for multiple parameters (up to 6) and setting to use the script template. It may need more stuff too, and documentation probably wouldn't go a miss either.

I'm not fussed about the name, or the target of the link, so if anyone has better ideas then go for it. So far only the single entry uses it. Thryduulf 15:13, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Truth be told, I'm not sure that this is something we want to encourage. The pronunciation sections already have a lower signal to noise ratio than I'd really like, and adding stuff for the dozen people in the world who understand the Shavian alphabet seems a poor investment.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 01:35, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Can we do a mapping from IPA->Shaw (like we want to for SAMPA) and keep everything in IPA? Then we'd need no manual intervention. --Bequw → τ 03:02, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I know nothing about it beyond what I've read on Wikipedia, but that does indicate a 1:1 correspondence between shavian symbols and IPA symbols, so automatic conversion would be theoretically possible and possibly even easier than the IPA<->SAMPA (e.g. = ).  You've just given me an idea though that maybe we should have a drop-down box or something where you select the pronunciation scheme you want to view, defaulting to IPA but also offering SAMPA and Shavian with only one stored on the page and the others autogenerated. I don't know whether automatic translation between IPA and enPR would be possible though?
 * This isn't something I've spent more than 30 seconds thinking about so I haven't even started to see whether it is technically possible or desirable. Thryduulf 07:40, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

 * That's not a bad idea. No idea if it's feasible.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 13:23, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

 * With most of these things, it's only feasible in the IPA -> direction (as that tends to be better specified and more useful than other formats). I have some javascript that can do IPA->SAMPA (stolen from fr.wiktionary), haven't though much about how to integrate it - I don't speak pronunciation :). Conrad.Irwin 00:05, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

 * It seems to me that the best approach would be one with cookies, because everyone likes cookies. They're sugary, and doughy, especially when fresh baked.  My suspicion is that most users would prefer a single format, i.e. if you like IPA, you generally don't need anything else, if you prefer SAMPA because your computer can't handle the IPA characters, then you never want to get IPA.  If we could set up a little link of some sort, that is integrated into, it could take users to a help page, where the various pronunciation schemes are explained.  They pick one, and get a cookie sent to them.  Some javascript is put in MediaWiki:Common.js which looks for the cookie.  If the cookie is not found, it leaves the IPA as is.  If it is found, it imports the correct conversion script, replaces the IPA with the transliteration, and perhaps changes the link.  We might even consider getting AF in on this.  If we got this in place, we could then have AF go through and remove everything but IPA, so users wouldn't get bombarded with three redundant pronunciation formats.  It could even check and make sure it's only removing equivalent SAMPA's and enPR's, and flagging the rest as needing human review.  I'll see if I can whip up some proof of concept code.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 01:37, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think that's a good idea, altohugh if possible the option to display multiple formats simultaneously would be good, e.g. if someone knows enPR and is learning IPA then they would benefit from being able to see both, although this wouldn't be a default setting. Thryduulf 08:26, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Ok, I've got a prototype up and working. Add importScript('User:Atelaes/pronunciationCustomization.js'); to your monobook.js and go to Pronunciation/User Customization.  You should see a set of options about your preferred format (if you don't, you may need to refresh the cache or something).  Anyway, the only option which really does anything is SAMPA.  Clicking IPA simply turns the script off.  Don't click on the other two, as they don't work yet.  It takes any IPA pronunciation on the page and converts them to SAMPA.  It still needs some tweaking, however.  It doesn't utilize  .  It also converts the IPA to SAMPA, even if there's already a SAMPA.  Once I smooth some of those things out, I'll probably present it to the wider community and get some feedback, but I figured I'd at least let you two (and anyone else who happens to be reading this) know, so you could try it out if you like.  Any feedback, critiques are welcome, and feel quite free to edit the JS yourself if you think you can improve it.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 06:10, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Hmmm....it appears that I've got some memory leak or something accessing one of my functions, so the script goes crazy when you try and edit a page. I'll have to see if I can lock that down.  Until then, the script works, but it might go a bit wonky if you try and edit anything.  Sorry.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 09:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Ok, now it's fixed. It was converting a large swath of the edittools character set, using a ridiculously resource intensive methodology.  This has now been fixed and it should be safe to use.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 10:41, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Looks good. An alternative approach would be to always show IPA and show the others with a checkboxes allowing multiple to be shown. When you think it's ready we can add it to Special:Gadgets. --Bequw → τ 17:49, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

unprotect
Please unprotect fag and faggot. anons n noobs could be useful for these terms. --Soleil levant 23:10, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Absolutely not. Anons may well have useful input on these terms, but the signal to noise ratio is simply too low.  They can still suggest changes on the talk pages.  We may well miss constructive changes because of the protection, but we are not willing to slog through the inevitable vandalism that deprotection would lead to in order to get them.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 01:31, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Malayalam fonts
Is it just my computer? I can't see properly the last character in the word, it looks almost like character ® on my computer. --Anatoli 05:43, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Well yes, this character is an addition to Unicode 5.1. Your font might not be new enough to be able to display this character. -- Prince Kassad 07:25, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Mine is displaying a weird symbol too. How do we upgrade? ---> Tooironic 08:30, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You might want to try out this. -- Prince Kassad 09:58, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

 * It fixed it, thank you, Prince Kassad! I tried to install some Malayalam fonts before but it didn't help. --Anatoli 13:33, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Landmarks Category?
Shouldn't we have something uniting Sydney Opera House, Hadrian's Wall, Statue of Liberty, Uluru, etc? ---> Tooironic 08:29, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Are they included in the placenames vote? DCDuring TALK 17:42, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

 * The first three aren't lexical units, but proper names. You should be able to find articles about their referents under w: Category:World Heritage Sites. —Michael Z. 2010-05-21 02:50 z

Search stopwords
See WT:FB. Would it be practical to make certain collocations used in natural-language queries (English or pidgin) (like "what is", "what is meaning/definition", "what mean", "what means", "what meaning", "what define") into search stopwords? Is there another way to accommodate the practice of typing in natural-language queries? Do we have any way to determine how often users use natural-language queries in our site's search? DCDuring TALK 17:41, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * There was a recent discussion on the mailing lists that logging search queries would be a privacy invasion (I don't agree, but hey this is a democracy). I certainly think we should try to strip these words from searches when they are with other words (obviously "what" is a good term on its own) - not sure what the best way to go about it is, I don't think it'd be easy to do with javascript (though that wouldn't stop us trying :p). Conrad.Irwin 00:54, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Because someone might hack the logging process while user info was still there? As long as folks think like that there will be plenty of opportunity for those who take a more pragmatic approach to trying to understand user behavior.
 * Doesn't each project get to modify the list of stopwords used in the mediawiki search engine? Stopwords can be "stopterms", can't they? DCDuring TALK 01:03, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Not that I know of, but they should be able to :). (re privacy, the problem was deemed to be that you might identify someone simply from the searches - imagine if they accidentally paste the wrong thing into the box [I've done that before] or if they then go on to create the entry they search for). Conrad.Irwin 08:44, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You've got to be careful not to exclude multi-word entries that include stop words, e.g. what a lovely day. Thryduulf 08:29, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That's the bit that would be hard to do in javascript. Conrad.Irwin 08:44, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Finding erroneous commons files
Is there a way to find all broken filenames? Do we have any idea how many images or audio files from Commons aren't working? --Bequw → τ 22:56, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Isn't this what CommonsDelinker is supposed to do, or am I misunderstanding you? Nadando 23:36, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That only works for cases where the filename is wrong because it was deleted from Commons. I want to know when someone miss-typed the name and forgot to check after saving. --Bequw → τ 01:15, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I've found http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/BrokenImageLinks.php but all of the ones that I checked from the list actually work so I'm not sure how to use the tool. --Bequw → τ 14:50, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I assume that it lists false positives because we have no image, or maybe because we have no image page, for the images listed (as they image and info are at the Commons only). —msh210℠ 17:04, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Note:I'v noticed that Commons Delinker doesn't always get run the way it's supposed to. More than once (but not frequently), I've come across a red-linked image left in an entry after a deletion on Commons where our entry page with a link was not fixed. --EncycloPetey 15:49, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Language templates updated
I updated Template:si, mainly according to a quick conversation I had with Bequw at my talk page. Please see that template; can that system be used widely with other language templates, such as, , , and others? Opinions would be appreciated. --Daniel. 21:41, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Such complexity is very unadvisable in templates that are so widely used. I would normally say not to concern ourselves with performance, but when the templates are used hundreds (if not thousands) of times on tens of thousands of pages, adding features like this is not the correct solution. If you want to store all the other attributes for languages, please create new sub-templates. (There would be slightly less of a problem if you abolished sitting in the middle, but I think it's still a serious issue). If you want to prove me wrong, please create a page similar in scope to water for an accurate comparison of speed.  Conrad.Irwin 22:00, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I tested it in the sandbox by copying the trans section from water and replacing all the language codes with "si". There was no noticable impact in performance. So it should not pose any technical problems. -- Prince Kassad 00:05, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The test is to look at the server time used in the HTML source served out, not whether it is noticeable (-) Robert Ullmann 00:32, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting, it seems that although the template itself is much more complicated (about 7 times) this is lost in the noise, so when used with it's only 1.5 times the cost; I had expected it to be much worse. Conrad.Irwin 10:32, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah complexity is unadvisable. For anything using, it now takes my connection at least 30 seconds to load it up, presumably because the serve expands all the "ifs" before displaying the page. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:39, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

This is completely unacceptable. We went to a great deal of effort to make this level simple, consistent, and reasonably fair to the servers (-).

Please remove this immediately from the "production" language templates. We can then talk about why this cannot be done. DAVilla tried something like this before, and it just doesn't work: one of the primary objectives (and the original use) of the templates is to subst: them. See what happened at deionises when Palkia correctly did. That must work; you can't use parser functions and so on.
 * For future reference, I have "fixed" this limitation, see safesubst:. Conrad.Irwin 16:07, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I know you are trying something "neat". But like most neat things, if it was a good idea, it would already have been done. As I said, please remove it ASAP and then we can explain more if you like. Robert Ullmann 00:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

 * I reverted, which is a very large number of cases. Which other ones need fixing? Robert Ullmann 00:30, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Also (not to pile on, but) if this was used on any large number of language templates, it would blow past the template expand limit on pages with large translations sections, and the page would not render. We've stayed clear of this limit so far with a little care! Robert Ullmann 00:41, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

 * So could we store the multiple names in a separate subtemplate like Template:fa/names? --Bequw → τ 01:54, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, that seems the most sensible thing to do, though how many places need this information? Conrad.Irwin 16:07, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * We keep names of languages at [[WT:LANGNAME]]. Why do they need to be in templatified? —msh210℠ 17:00, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * That is the question: it isn't where we "store this information", but, rather, what would it be used for, and why? If it is solely documentation, it should not be in template: space at all, but in WT: or template talkspace.
 * What is the objective here? Robert Ullmann 17:14, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Ideally this information would be shown at WT:LANGNAME and on the documentation for each of those templates (and maybe other places). So the point is to keep documentation in sync. We use templates for reused bits of text used in many namespaces so I see no problem with storing the info at /names subpages. --Bequw → τ 03:31, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I've switched over to using /names so that WT:LANGNAME and  are synchronized. Assuming no problems we can convert the others as well.--Bequw → τ 23:16, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

As a result of the short-term "upgrades", there is now a cleanup list Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:langtempboiler for items that were subst'ed with the template documentation, which will therefore need to be removed. --EncycloPetey 03:39, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

title: Wiktionary:Grease pit/2010/April


text:
挑剔

Adjective

 * 1) nitpicky; captious
 * 2) choosy; fussy
 * 1) choosy; fussy

Verb

 * 1) to nitpick; to find fault
 * 2) to be choosy; to be fussy

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: 挑剔


text:
Zytotoxin

Noun

 * 1) cytotoxin

title: Zytotoxin


text: Zytotoxins

title: Zytotoxins


text: Zytotoxine

title: Zytotoxine


text: Category:French non-constituents

title: Category:French non-constituents


text:
Citations:amnicolist

 * 1782, November: Dr. Samuel Johnſon, “A Tour to Celbridge” in The Hibernian Magazine: or, Compendium of Entertaining Knowledge, for November, 1782, page 553, columns 1–2
 * Having visited every thing worthy the notice of a ſtranger in the metropolis of Ireland, and being fatigued by conviviality without converſation, ſociety without ſelection, conſtitutional bumpers, and ſtale anecdotes, I determined to explore the banks of the Liffey, and to ſearch among the amnicoliſts for that entertainment which eluded my purſuit in the urbanity of the capital; letters, which the officiouſneſs of friends rather than any ſolicitation on my part, had put into my hands at my leaving London, ſerved to introduce me among others to two ladies who happened to be at that time reſident in Dublin.
 * 1856: Samuel Klinefelter Hoshour, Letters to Squire Pedant, in the East, page 47
 * And primarily: He must be no teague. He must be a franklin, but not an amnicolist. His won may be agrestical, but must have a roborous contignation, glabrous contabulation, and multitudinous fenestral apertures — it must be impervious to all perflations; well camerated with a balneary adjoined, and environed by an ample ruderation covered with scobiform arenaceous matter.
 * 1894: Mary Mapes Dodge, St. Nicholas: A Monthly Magazine for Boys and Girls, volume 21, part 1, page 185
 * Being easily exsuscitated, and an amnicolist fond of inescating fish and broggling, with an ineluctable desire for the amolition of care, I took a punt and descended the river in a […]
 * 1906: J. E. L. Seneker [aut.] and Thomas Ryan Stone [ed.], Frontier Experience: or, Epistolary Sesquipedalian Lexiphanicism from the Occident, letter I: “Arenilitic Butte, Occident: November 4, 1872”, page 12, lines 35–36 — page 14, lines 1–2 (102nd-Anniversary Edition, 2008)
 * Relative to myself; as you are cognizant, for some time subsequent to my discession from home, I sojourned with agnations and cognations, who are amnicolists and engaged in terraculture, or agricolation.
 * 1920: Karle Wilson Baker, The Garden of the Plynck, page 16 (2006 republication)
 * And so saying, she replaced the doorknob, which was now neatly hemmed, on the front door of the prose-bush, and came down the steps to Sara, carrying three large onions. She was not a bad-looking person, though an amnicolist.

title: Citations:amnicolist


text:
hyperaldosteronisme

Noun

 * 1) hyperaldosteronism (condition in which too much aldosterone is produced)

title: hyperaldosteronisme


text:
-qaqï

Suffix

 * 1) there are many [noun]
 * naasoqaqaaq
 * there are many flowers

title: -qaqï


text:
Jamaika-Koalition

Etymology
The symbolic colors of the three parties correspond to the colors of the : black for the, yellow for the , and green for.

title: Jamaika-Koalition


text:
Talk:gas chamber

English
picture? don't show a nazi gas chamber with putting someone in there just a pic of a german gas chamber would work excellant thank you. --5v5bball 13:59, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

title: Talk:gas chamber


text:
enogastronomia

Noun

 * 1) the study or appreciation of wine and food

title: enogastronomia


text:
epatite virale

Noun

 * 1)  viral hepatitis

title: epatite virale


text: eseguenti

title: eseguenti


text:
exocrinology

Noun

 * 1) The study of external (exocrine) secretions, especially of pheromones

Translations

 * Italian: esocrinologia

title: exocrinology


text:
esocrinologia

Noun

 * 1) exocrinology

title: esocrinologia


text:
tuna melt

Etymology

 * derived from.

Noun

 * 1) A sandwich with tuna and a layer of melted cheese in it, usually eaten hot.

Translations

 * Russian: са́ндвич с тунцо́м и пла́вленым сы́ром
 * Yiddish: טונפֿיש־שניטקע מיט צעלאָזטן קעז

title: tuna melt


text:
Talk:fever

Old English or Old French
I think the Old French for fever is, whilst the Old English is given as. Perhaps it's from Old French, reinforced by Old English? What are dictionaries saying? Mglovesfun (talk) 14:17, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:03, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ha the OED has from Old English reinforced by Old French. But... how do they explain the 'v'? Mglovesfun (talk) 10:25, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

2. transitive : agitate somebody
2. transitive :  to throw somebody into a state of intense agitation, excitement, or emotion --Backinstadiums (talk) 19:12, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

RFV discussion: September–November 2020
Sense 4: A group of stingrays.

Not in either of the linked dictionaries. - Mocha2007 (talk) 00:45, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

 * Here are three uses:, , . Do we have a policy for such collective nouns? We have Appendix:English collective nouns. Would a league of lexicologists agree these are genuine rather than made up – although found in dozens of compendia of collective nouns, many of which are printed books? --Lambiam 15:54, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

 * Why would we have a special policy for collective nouns? They're either properly cited or not. Everything is made up, and the question is do people actually talk about a fever of stingrays or not?--Prosfilaes (talk) 23:44, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Collective nouns attract people who like to make lists of collective nouns that are rarely if ever used.  We should be especially strict about counting only genuine uses.  Vox Sciurorum (talk) 20:22, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Why should we be especially strict? There's nothing particularly complex here; either they're in use or they're not. The only reason to be especially strict is hostility to other editors who are attracted by the subject, which is opposed to the Wikimedia spirit.--Prosfilaes (talk) 23:01, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

 * It may be worth noting where a word is in use but in some sort of "affected" or humorous way, like certain phobias that are only mentioned by people who have read phobia books, and never by doctors. Equinox ◑ 00:40, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Of course, we need to avoid citing from the notorious collective noun lists, but even beyond that, there is the issue that Equinox mentions, whereby "list words" may be used in ordinary text but in a non-natural self-conscious or humorous way. We should beware of this, but unfortunately it can be very hard to judge (or prove) where this is the case. Mihia (talk) 00:47, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * There are words that appear in citable sources less often than they are really used. I feel comfortable adding slang with one use and a mention in a reputable dictionary of slang.  Collective nouns are the opposite extreme. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 13:17, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I think, though, that the lemma should be – which, after all, does not mean “group of stingrays of stingrays”.  --Lambiam 22:09, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That's a promising route. Flock can be used without a qualifier, but the two citations currently at  arguably only support a phrase fever of stingrays.  Vox Sciurorum (talk) 13:17, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I found some examples like "Stingrays are usually alone. Sometimes they swim in groups called fevers", but these are a bit mentiony. Nevertheless, if we are to keep this, I would personally prefer to have it at "fever", not "fever of stingrays". Looking at a couple of others purely at random, both of which only have citations of the form "X of Y", loveliness (ladybirds) is defined as "A group of ladybirds", while exaltation (larks) is defined as "The collective noun for larks" (though I suppose this should strictly be in italics?). If "fever of stingrays" is the only form that we can legitimately find, the logic would be to define fever as "A group (of stingrays)", but this has the disadvantage of putting the entire important content in brackets. Perhaps "The collective noun for stingrays" could be an option. As mentioned previously, I do feel that many of these kinds of words should come with a health warning, however. Mihia (talk) 19:10, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * We should apply some subset of the labels . I don't know if this sense of fever was made up recently or was used 500 years ago and since forgotten.  Vox Sciurorum (talk) 13:08, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

 * If this exists, I would keep it at fever, not fever of stingrays. (It pluralizes as fevers of stingrays not, like, fever of stingrayss, besides the points Mihia makes about separable use.) The citations are modern, so "obsolete" and "archaic" seem wrong. We don't include protologisms (only sufficiently attested neologisms), so there's no use-case for that label. Probably "nonstandard, rare" and then perhaps a non-gloss definition "the collective noun for stingrays", as Mihia suggests. - -sche (discuss) 19:55, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * For me, the labels "nonstandard" and "rare" do not exactly capture the key quality of these "list words", as I perceive it, but unfortunately I have not been able to think of a concise way of expressing this. I suppose we could explain it in more words in a usage note, but I dislike usage notes if a label is possible. Mihia (talk) 13:46, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That's what I included pretentious to cover. But that's a placeholder; we'd want a less judgmental label.  We say "hypercorrect" instead of "some idiot thinks he understands Latin." Vox Sciurorum (talk) 14:10, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * How about calling them "novelty words"? Mihia (talk) 17:18, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

This is cited. Kiwima (talk) 21:24, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

RFV-passed Kiwima (talk) 20:19, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

title: Talk:fever


text:
jeg har feber

Phrase

 * 1) I have a fever indicates that the speaker has higher than normal body temperature

title: jeg har feber


text:
etnograficamente

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) ethnographically

title: etnograficamente


text:
farmacoprotesico

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) pharmacoprosthetic

title: farmacoprotesico


text:
intentional grounding

Noun

 * 1)  An instance when the quarterback throws the ball into the ground or into the crowds to avoid being sacked and losing field position.

title: intentional grounding


text:
farmacoriabilitativo

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) pharmacorehabilitative

title: farmacoriabilitativo


text: feberen

title: feberen


text: febrene

title: febrene


text: febers

title: febers


text: feberens

title: feberens


text: febrenes

title: febrenes


text:
ferretto

Etymology
, diminutive of, from.

Noun

 * 1) copper sulphide, used to colour glass.

Noun

 * 1) a piece of iron
 * 2) underwire (of a bra)
 * 3) red soil, rich in iron oxides

title: ferretto


text:
toys in the attic

Noun

 * 1)  Insanity or craziness.

Synonyms

 * See also Thesaurus:insane

title: toys in the attic


text: filtranti

title: filtranti


text:
flaconcino

Noun

 * 1) vial (small bottle)

title: flaconcino


text: deicheimh

title: deicheimh


text: deicheamhan

title: deicheamhan


text:
forchettina

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) small fork (often with only two tines)

title: forchettina


text:
generativismo

Noun

 * 1) generative grammar

title: generativismo


text:
ferae naturae

Etymology
From and, therefore meaning 'of a wild nature'.

Noun

 * 1) Undomesticated animals; wild beasts.
 * 2) * 1597, Decision in Boulston's case, as quoted in Ronald Coase, "The Problem of Social Cost", 1960:
 * So soon as the coneys come on his neighbor's land he may kill them, for they are ferae naturae, and he who makes the coney-boroughs has no property in them, and he shall not be punished for the damage which the coneys do in which he has no property, and which the other may lawfully kill.

title: ferae naturae


text:
geostratigrafia

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) geostratigraphy

title: geostratigrafia


text:
ge be

Etymology
Contracted from +. Compare 🇨🇬.

Determiner

 * 1) whatever

title: ge be


text:
ge b' e

Determiner

 * 1) Alternative form of .

title: ge b' e


text:
fievre

Etymology
From, from.

Noun

 * 1) fever

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) fever

title: fievre


text: ginsenosidi

title: ginsenosidi


text:
gonioscopico

Adjective

 * 1) gonioscopic

title: gonioscopico


text:
ge be àite

Adverb

 * 1) wherever, wheresoever

title: ge be àite


text:
homuncular

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) Of or pertaining to a homunculus.

title: homuncular


text:
goniotomia

Noun

 * 1) goniotomy

title: goniotomia


text:
ge be càite

Adverb

 * 1) Alternative form of .

title: ge be càite


text:
User talk:5v5bball

Welcome
Welcome!

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Again, welcome! Mglovesfun (talk) 15:04, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

epic fail
No, not really! Mglovesfun (talk) 15:04, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

title: User talk:5v5bball


text:
ge be cuin

Adverb

 * 1) whenever

title: ge be cuin


text:
guidone

Etymology
From, related to.

Noun

 * 1) guidon, pennant
 * 2) burgee

title: guidone


text:
ge be uair

Adverb

 * 1) Alternative form of .

title: ge be uair


text: gypsy cabs

title: gypsy cabs


text:
ge be cò

Pronoun

 * 1) whoever, whosoever

title: ge be cò


text:
ge be dè

Pronoun

 * 1) whatever

title: ge be dè


text:
skræk

Etymology 1
From, derived from the verb.

Noun

 * 1) fear
 * 2) terror
 * 3) fright, scare
 * 4) alarm

title: skræk


text: skrækken

title: skrækken


text:
leth-bhreith

Noun

 * 1) discrimination, partiality

title: leth-bhreith


text:
desmettre

Alternative forms

 * deſmettre

Etymology
From, from.

Verb

 * 1)  to lower oneself, to stoop
 * , Essais:
 * pour lesquelles auctoriser et seconder, la vraye vertu a beaucoup à se desmettre de sa vigueur originelle.

title: desmettre


text:
Wiktionary:Rollbackers

Have right to revert all current edits to any page by the same editor more quickly and efficiently, automatically marking the reverted edit as patrolled.

You may request this right in the Beer parlour. (Admins may nominate a user at WT:WL and follow the procedure there.)

title: Wiktionary:Rollbackers


text:
superconference

Noun

 * 1) A major meeting to discuss an important issue.
 * Thirty countries attended the environmental superconference.
 * 1)  A group of many college sports teams, usually 14 or more, that are in one group for purposes of having large television deals and highly publicized championships.
 * When the Big East added six more teams in 2004, it became a 16-team superconference.

title: superconference


text: shake map

title: shake map


text: shake maps

title: shake maps


text:
demiflat

Noun

 * 1)  In microtonal music, a note played a quarter tone lower than a natural.

title: demiflat


text: demiflats

title: demiflats


text: superconferences

title: superconferences


text:
desilio

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1) to leap or jump down, dismount

title: desilio


text:
demisharp

Noun

 * 1)  In microtonal music, a note played a quarter tone higher than a natural.

title: demisharp


text: breithean

title: breithean


text: demisharps

title: demisharps


text: desilire

title: desilire


text: desilui

title: desilui


text:
iteileag

Noun

 * 1) kite toy

title: iteileag


text: iteileig

title: iteileig


text: iteileagan

title: iteileagan


text:
Talk:desilio

@Mglovesfun: It seems our dictionaries have different forms for desilio. Can you please cite yours?
 * I was just formatting it as quickly as I could. I was hoping once you saw my formatting, you could correct what I'd written but formatted. Anyway, I do have a Latin dictionary, as it happens. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:41, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

title: Talk:desilio


text:
User talk:Mglovesfun/Archives/6

Lens
Why did you delete Lens? --Rising Sun talk? contributions 10:35, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It was a redirect to lens. I have my monobook set to show redirects in orange, so if you don't have something like that, you won't have seen it. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:39, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

WT:AFRM
On Wikisource, texts seem to never use the j and use the long s (ſ). Should we be accepting words that don't use them if not specifically attested? Mglovesfun (talk) 12:57, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, gawd. Well, I don't think the long s matters -- that was purely a typographical flourish. But the j thing is really tricky, we seem to have different rules for different languages. If the actual texts really use Is then I suppose we should as well. This is why I hate treating historical forms of the language as separate languages, it would be so much easier (and arguably just as helpful) to lump all of Middle French in as entries. The short answer is, I don't know when France starting distinguishing I and J and that is the key I think. Not helpful I know. < class="latinx">Ƿidsiþ 13:21, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * On the other hand, languages like Spanish, Catalan and Occitan have more in common with Modern French than Old French does. If they didn't both have the word "French" in them you wouldn't be tempted to merge them. Compare Old Provençal, Catalan and Occitan. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:40, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I know, it's all random and subjective. But that's languages for you, they're more of a state of mind, really, aren't they. < class="latinx">Ƿidsiþ 13:43, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm certainly not disagreeing with you; just taking the point a bit further. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:46, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your help
I try to add new words in Catalan. Normally I'm not sure about format but I take it from others similar words. Also, I try to repair problems or errors I find. Well, I know that if I had a problem about format I can consult you.--Maltrobat 17:06, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

computing
Hi. I would just remove the category and bracket the definition. The entry looks fine otherwise. Perhaps our noobie will learn from example. -- A LGRIF  talk 16:09, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

teetotaller
Hmm. alcohol has many uses besides drinking. teetotaller, drunk, etc. relate to (none or too much) drinking of alcoholic beverages. A better category name might be Category:Alcohol (drink) but that is too convoluted and would probably be rejected (and I would agree with rejecting it). The category is for words related to a topic, they don't have be one of the topic. Facts707 16:28, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Plausible, it depends how tenuous the links are. You could add hyperactivity or urination to the Category:Coffee as coffee is associated with both of those, but some might think that just too tenuous. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:31, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ha, ha. That's funny. But seriously, those would be encyclopedic and go in Wikipedia because they talk about physiological effects, while the dictionary definition of teetotaller and drunk mention alcoholic beverages as they should. And if drunk doesn't, I will fix it. Cheers, Facts707 16:36, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Better still for teetotaller et al.: Category:Drinking. --EncycloPetey 16:37, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Facts, I wasn't joking. It was a serious example. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:38, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, sorry. EncycloPetey has pointed out the correct category, Category:Drinking (which I have requested be renamed to Category:Drinking alcohol). I also updated a couple entries with Category:Drinking. Cheers, Facts707 16:58, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps there should be Category:Drinkers too? I'd add SemperBlotto to that category. --Soleil levant 18:54, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Foucault posited that all Wiktionary contributors could be subcategorised into "drinkers, thinkers and stinkers". Equinox ◑ 15:03, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Gerunds
Replied on my talk page. --EncycloPetey 20:14, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Simply removing the cleanup tags from the entries won't help. AF will just put them back until Robert changes his bot.  Until then, "Latin entries needing attention" will continue to be flooded with entries that don't need attention.  --EncycloPetey 14:59, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

User_talk:Anthonzi
--Anthonzi 23:38, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Requests_for_verification
Hi. I missed your question from two days ago. I replied today. --Anatoli 02:29, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

escopateur
Hi Martin,

Can I (or you) closed the RfV of escopateur as kept ? Cdlt, VIGNERON 15:41, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Not really, I can request it be kept. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:39, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

French maryland
Where did you spot this? Equinox ◑ 15:29, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I dunno what you mean. I first discovered it in Scrabble (hence not knowing the definition). The French Wiktionary also gives it as a countable noun. Feel free to RFV. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:31, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

 * I found "prix de vente des marylands et des tabacs de zone", which makes it sound like a cigar or pipe (?), and "vos refus cogèrent, défournent et roucoulent parmi des marylands pourchassés dans les gamins et dans les incestes", which I can't really make anything of. Equinox ◑ 15:35, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You've shown that it exists anyway. fr:maryland uses "tabac" which I've translated as tobacco, but it has other meanings too. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:38, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Dalek voice
So, why did you remove it from the requests? --EncycloPetey 20:01, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Seems like dangerous ground. How about Daffy Duck voice, Woody Allen voice, the list of attestable entries of this form must be really long. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:52, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I could imagine that Daffy Duck voice would have sufficient support in citations, but would be very, very surprised if Woody Allen voice had supporting citations. A Daffy Duck voice is a lisping voice; it describe a specific mode of speaking, and not merely imitation or similarity.  Likewise, a Dalek voice describes a particular voice quality, and the supporting quotations I've found (except for one) are completely divorced from any context of the TV program or what a Dalek is. --EncycloPetey 21:58, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

turtling
Hi, regarding my edits on turtling (as User_talk:218.186.8.234, sorry, I'd forgotten to login), please see my comments at Talk:turtling Flj529 02:03, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

contumax and consul
The page for seems to be missing the French section, although there is a page at contumax. Also, could you look over, fix, and expand my efforts at starting the entry for ? --EncycloPetey 21:44, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, just not right now. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:50, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, looking now. Mglovesfun (talk) 07:28, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The entry for contumax is out of an 1827 dictionary, so I'll leave that one alone. Mglovesfun (talk) 07:50, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

fairy snuff
Hi there. You dispute that fairy snuff is Cockney rhyming slang; however, the entry's 1981 quotation asserts that it is. Would you prefer ?

BTW, I've replied in User talk:Doremítzwr. — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 16:34, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Look please?
Can you take a look at the five French entries I just made please to make sure that they conform to Wiktionary's standards? Thanks, Razorflame 12:14, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks good, no errors, just things that can be improved. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:37, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Great :) That was what I wanted to hear :)  I am glad that no errors have been made so far :) Razorflame 14:52, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Fact reference
I notice that the fact temp seems to redirect to the unreferenced temp, they don't display the same thing? When I tried previewing them here just now they both put ugly boxes... they both seem to have similar meanings so perhaps it can be fixed so they put smaller notes instead of boxes? I think you're totally right that they are unsightly and throw it off, I didn't look closely at the pages after saving them and had assumed they would be a small template like on Wikipedia. I'll avoid using them (perhaps bring up fact disputes on talk page instead since it's out of the way) until it's nicer to look at. Btw can I delete some talkpage space here so it's easier to scroll through? =P Ty 12:22, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I probably archive my talk page more than most, usually when it gets to about 60 or 70 messages, which is indeed now. Anyway, yeah I was thinking og transwikiing [sic] the Wikipedia template, as that does sound like quite a good idea. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:25, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

sūcus
What was the effect of or reason for changing the alternative forms section to level 4? Caladon 15:39, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I seem to think that that's what WT:ELE says. If it isn't, AutoFormat will have undone it, and quite quickly, too. Mglovesfun (talk) 20:49, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Doremítzwr changed it back instead. If it should be at level 4, WT:ALA will have to be updated to reflect that, though we have been adding it at level 4 for a long while with Latin words. By the way, I changed slightly since you added it; I can't find a macron in that position, so that meant I changed it to alternative form rather than spelling, due to the change in pronunciation. Caladon 20:59, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It is indeed level three. Well, blow me. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:01, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Whitelist
Stop it already. I don't feel like starting a shitstorm by banning you over something as stupid as this. The "policy" described at WT:Whitelist is simple. "Any sysop can recommend a defer to a nomination; after a week, the nomination may be repeated." EP recommended that we defer, so quit trying to get around that. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 21:56, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I should maybe add EncycloPetey to be unwhitelisted, as his editing isn't as good as Word dewd543. Mglovesfun (talk) 22:00, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Apparently someone thought he was good enough to be an admin, which I think trumps the whitelist. He's also been around a long time, so if his edits aren't perfect it's because some douchebag has gone and changed something. Probably something that didn't need to be changed. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 22:09, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * No, no, you have to be a perfect editor to be whitelisted. EncycloPetey says so. And if he says no, nobody else's opinion matters (like the other admins, two of us, who already approved him). Mglovesfun (talk) 22:12, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Lame discussion --Rising Sun talk? contributions 22:14, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Apology
I'd like to agologize to (just about) everyone. I've been having a hard time recently, forgetting things and having sudden unexplained bursts of anger. I'm going to the doctors about it on Wednesday. However my behaviour has been unacceptable, and until I calm down and get some help (whatever that means) I'm taking a couple of days off. Once again, sorry. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:30, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

 * For my part, there are no hard feelings. (Were you not apologising to more people than just me, I'd unban you now, since your useful contributions more than make up for your lapse in civility.) I hope you can find some resolution to whatever's bothering you. I look forward to an amicable editing relationship with you in the near future.  — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 14:53, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Word. —Ruakh TALK 00:09, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm too obtuse/self-absorbed to have noticed. Feel better. DCDuring TALK 00:36, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting that it didn't unblock me after 24 hours. I assumed being blocked for a day meant that. It wanted to block me for 30 hours, not 24. Anyway, cheers. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:00, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

funbot
Hi, any progress with training funbot to do DRB's job? I have to reduce my WT time, and botting has become a very low priority. --Rising Sun talk? contributions 00:32, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks, Mglovesfun. --The analeptic alzabo 10:10, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

vocabulary activity
vocabulary 12:50, 18 April 2010 (UTC)Hi.I am a student studying at English Language Teaching Department. I have a presentation to do. If you help me, I will be grateful to you.

I just want my class to do some vocabulary task using Wiktionary. Therefore, I want to use my user talk. I have tried to enter some words to check. However, they have been deleted.I have to use this page because my teacher wants me to use Wiktionary for vocabulary activity.

In our activity, students will be writing some words related to the video they have watched earlier. Thus, the words will be some known words which will bring no usable content to Wİktionary. Is it possible for me to use my "my talk" for this activity for next two weeks at least. What would you suggest me?

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Thanks for your attention. vocabulary 12:50, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * As said, that's what a user page is for. Or it could be. No harm in it. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:16, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

ahmetakturk 13:20, 18 April 2010 (UTC)Thanks. Is it possible for my class to write down the words without logging in? ahmetakturk 13:20, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. Mglovesfun (talk) 19:10, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Template:oc-noun
Unlikely other templates, when you add f=lemosina (example) it doesn't add that the feminine plural is lemosinas. I'm a bit scared of breaking the template, so could yo do it, please? Mglovesfun (talk) 10:05, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean. Are you wanting a template that works for nouns that are feminine (which this does, AFAICT), or something else? --EncycloPetey 15:53, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Notice that is gives THREE forms, not FOUR, whereas would give the feminine plural (lemosinas) as well. Mglovesfun (talk) 08:15, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah! I see now. You're looking for a way to handle nouns that have both a masculine and a feminine form. The template was not designed to do that well, since the various Romance languages all seem to have different ways of handling the issue, and I was not certain how plurals are formed in Occitan. You can use:
 * and that should work. See the template documentation; it doesn't automatically generate plurals because I don't know the rules and patterns for Occitan. --EncycloPetey 20:18, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm hardly an expert, but it's just an -s. I'm gonna try and find some original Occitan texts to work from soon, anyway. Mglovesfun (talk) 08:30, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd be genuinely surprised if it's always that simple. It isn't in any Romance language I know of.  Other Romance languages I do know have the plural as "usually "-s", but sometimes "-es"," or the stem may have a spelling change (like Spanish acción to acciones and vez to veces, or Galician animal to animais; but notice that Galician is acción to accións), and sometimes there's no plural at all. Daniel has done work to create an intricate set of templates for Portuese nouns that helps with the plurals.  --EncycloPetey 13:41, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I was actually referring to plurals of feminine forms. Yes there are exceptions like words ending in -s, -x, or -ch (see bruch) but I think anything ending in a vowel can always take an S. vèrb is a tricky one, as it's vèrbs or vèrbes depending on the region.
 * I was actually referring to plurals of feminine forms. Yes there are exceptions like words ending in -s, -x, or -ch (see bruch) but I think anything ending in a vowel can always take an S. vèrb is a tricky one, as it's vèrbs or vèrbes depending on the region.

spear
This is the only spear edit I made... I don't think I started it 'a spear is' but I see that mentioning the wrestlers currently popularizing it was unnecessary (more of a notability establishment thing as it might not be as well known or long-performed as the hockey offense). I honestly had no idea there was a difference between derived/descended so this is an eye-opener for me, I admit I was seeing different subtitles in the articles and getting confused why they weren't consistant, so that clears this up. Derived is same lang, whereas descend is when it evolves into a new word species.

Admittedly I can't tell the difference between Greek and Latin scripts, that's an admirable skill... I saw the symbols used and copied them there in good faith that whoever wrote them meant well, the interaction between Greek and Latin in descendancy seems pretty complex.

For the greek etymology issue, I figure it might be good to disambiguate the term by showing the related prefix (as this is essentially an example of a slang contraction derived from a prefix). Like the only english use of the E spelling directs to the AE spelling used in Britain, but the term pedo- can also refer to soil. I realize it's probably nonexistent in slang, but I think it's important to identify those other uses. I added that but I'm a little uncertain how to format it as it says 'italian' however the term seems to be used in English reference to science as well along with stuff like edaphology. Ty 12:03, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm we don't even have pedo-/paedo-? That's amazing.
 * Basically you use at the start of the entry, then under ===Alternative forms=== you put pedo-. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:09, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Re Greek script, can you tell the difference between and ? Mglovesfun (talk) 16:22, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Multe gratias
Multe gratias pro tu adjuta in le entrata expression

interesting condition as plural

 * Do you have any evidence of it being used as a plural? I've searched for instances of the plural and cannot find any, besides the term being obviously too ambiguous to be used in that way. --TyrS 22:20, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

hehepingping
There is a lot of these kinds of entries on Wenlin dictionary such as pingping'an'an. 91.106.30.119 09:32, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I wasn't saying that this should be deleted, I just wanted to ask the question. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:58, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I understood, thanks. 91.106.30.119 16:30, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanx 4 the advice.-User:Jokerb52

Serengeti cat
Just a friendly reminder of your stated desire to return to WT:RFD. —msh210℠ 16:17, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your encouraging note. I have not contributed to wiktionary for a while, but it's good to do some again. Ruzulo 07:05, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

block me
Hi, could you put a block on me til Monday about 8:50 UCT plz. --Rising Sun talk? contributions 23:52, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I guess it's a way to have a wikibreak? Mglovesfun (talk) 07:18, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Re: Catalan
I have seen your message in ca:La Taverna and I can tell you that you can use the Catalan adjectives mundial or global in both genders. Be careful when you try to use this words like a noun, for exemple, 'mundial' is also a competition, in this case you have to use the corresponding gender, el mundial de futbol, but not la mundial de futbol.

You can consult Diccionari català valencià balear and if you search esquerp you get ESQUERP -ERPTA it means ESQUERP / ESQUERPA, first for male and second for female, but if you find global, ... you don't get any more.

Others adjectives finished in al have the same form for both genders.

--Maltrobat 13:48, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * My specific question was 'is the plural always mundials (irrespective of gender). Mglovesfun (talk) 13:51, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

God — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 13:57, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Gender and adjectives
Hi...just curious about something: what is the correct procedure for adding genders to adjectives (for languages where there are inflections, e.g. Romance languages, etc.)? Just as a mere example, gorgeous contains different patterns: Spanish is only in feminine while Italian has all four variations (plural vs. gender)...Thanks for your help!--71.111.229.19 12:51, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is any consensus. My logic is to only add lemma forms, so bello but not bellos, bella and bellas since they just link right back to anyway. I tend not to remove non-lemma forms as it's just too time consuming for something of little importance. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:55, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * thanks!--71.111.229.19 21:24, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

extrusive
Hi there Mglovesfun. Would the French word for extrusive be extrusif? Thanks, Razorflame 00:42, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Logically yes. Let me try and find it somewhere. Mglovesfun (talk) 07:20, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I take it that since you've made the entry that it is the right translation? Razorflame 08:13, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Good point. fr:extrusif is surprisingly unhelpful, but fr:extrusive gives "extrusif". I could do worse than check it in a paper dictionary. Mglovesfun (talk) 08:15, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi there. Can you figure out why this template is adding an extra space when used please? Thanks, Razorflame 11:47, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It was just the enter between and . I just put them on the same line. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:59, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for the help :) Razorflame 12:27, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

IRC
I need to talk to you on IRC. Please join me on there. Razorflame 17:43, 28 April 2010 (UTC) Can you please come onto IRC so that I can talk to you please? Razorflame 17:58, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * No. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:24, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Why not? Razorflame 18:25, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Because it's my choice if I do or not, and I'm sick of your bitching. Sorry, you know I've defended you on here and I think you get an overly bad rap. But in this case, just ask someone else. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:28, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Minor edits
I will try not to make such mistakes in the future. I did not comprehend what have you meant by checking the talk page history. -- Bugoslav 21:30, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Question
It seems like you have deleted my redirect. I was wondering, what does it mean to create it as a misspelling or an alternative form? Do I just copy and paste the redirect target page to my redirect page? Thanks.

Why am I such an idiot?
That was it, really. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:30, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I suggest heeding to EP's advice and taking a wikibreak, Gloves. Go on a trip somewhere to refresh your head, you'll come back thinking clearer. Maybe an impromptu outdoor adventure to the Yorkshire Dales or something. --Rising Sun talk? contributions 18:37, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I might be going on a cruise. No, really I might. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:39, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Great, I recommend it. Of course, try to get as much pussy (or cock, or both, whatever floats your boat) as possible! --Rising Sun talk? contributions 18:40, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL a friend's recommended me for a job as a bilingual secretary. I'll let you figure out the two languages involved. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:43, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, secreatary speaking Old French and Catalan! How cool! --Rising Sun talk? contributions 18:45, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

hadir
Hi! I left something on the Discussion page of. Could you please have a look when you get a chance? Thanks! Leasnam 15:44, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah I've done it. BTW is the word used in any works that are on the Internet, or is it from an etymological dictionary? I always prefer to see a word in the right context, but I'm not going to RFV it if it's used in a major dictionary. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:40, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

 * I had obtained from dictionaries (key the phrase: [ "hadir" Old French ] on Google Books), one of which cited OFr enhardir (this was a French dict.) along with the definition. Here is a link to that one http://www.cnrtl.fr/etymologie/hair. Regarding the language codes from one language to another, I will be more careful. Sometimes I simply miss one. I should now be exclusively using de, nl, sv, no, etc. as I see others doing (in earlier work, I used either, not realising that dual forms like it and ita were categorised separately, nor which was conventional to use). Leasnam 14:51, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * ok, I didn't know of oc (Occitan). Is there a page that shows which is best to use? Leasnam 15:00, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You make a good point. BTW I'm just replacing these by bot, apart from oci, spa and fra because they were used so infrequently (fra was used once). They're not harmful, these redirects, apart from with the template, (second parameter only) and . That's why Category:ita:Proto-Germanic derivations got deleted, it should be it! Anyway, first thought is Appendix:ISO 639-1. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:18, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * <<Appendix:ISO 639-1>> Thank you! Leasnam 15:40, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Possimpable
Hi, I am aware that you are a respected member of this communtity and an acknowledged administrator. I also can't thank you enough for the hard volunteering work you are doing. But is it really necessary to delete an article that should cheer people (and administrators) up? --SneakyGuy talk?
 * Err, yes? See WT:BJAODN (or even better, just drop it). Mglovesfun (talk) 16:49, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

blip off
Are you working on wt:RFV or can I blip it off? —msh210℠ 16:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * There are a lot of Google Book hits, I got through about 150 of them and none were relevant. I might have a final forage and then delete it tomorrow morning if I can't find anything. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:47, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

knicks
Although – I just rediscovered, for just such cases. < class="latinx">Ƿidsiþ</> 05:28, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

kuna and other androgynous nouns
I'm sure I've asked you this before, but I can't find the place. (tut, I can't stand users who don't archive their talk page properly ;p) There are other androgynous French nouns, right? What are they called in French? --Rising Sun talk? contributions 10:04, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you mean nouns that can be both masculine and feminine, as opposed to nouns (typically ending in -e) that take the gender of the subject, like psychologue. I don't know what they're called, and yes there are others although I'd have to think about it a lot to find genuine examples. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:21, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * yes, that it what I meant --Rising Sun talk? contributions 10:34, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Come to think of it, they have fr:Modèle:mf? on the French Wiktionary to deal with these sort of nouns. Anagramme comes to mind as well. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:21, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * A few examples like après-midi are in the the 'pedia. --Thrissel 16:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

βαθύς
While I can appreciate the reason for removing, and probably agree with it, it seems a bit neglectful to just axe it without doing any damage control. If the definition was "purple", that'd be one thing, as that is quite obviously a colour, and no useful information for the user is being removed. However, in this case, it was a genuine context label. Hopefully, my fix is acceptable to you. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 12:35, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The thing was, it said deep, which didn't mean anything to me. If you put  that's fine because I can understand it. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:18, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

 * If you don't understand what something means, then it probably doesn't mean "Remove me!" —Ruakh TALK 15:20, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Very true, but when it's a template that failed WT:RFDO a week ago, it does! Mglovesfun (talk) 15:23, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * And that's why it failed RFDO, it is only used to categorize, not to give information to the reader. It's an "only for editors" template. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:26, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Just as a comparison: When I went around removing and  from pages, I added  and  at the end of each definition line that didn't already make clear that it was mammal or fruit, even those that read "nectarine". If you made widespread removals without disambiguating (and I don't know that you did), it might be wise to review your edits. —msh210℠ 15:41, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Strongly agree, for stuff like orange I put, but not for every single instance where I removed it. In some cases I changed to  as suggested above. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:48, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Would you like a cheese daish?
. —msh210℠ 18:34, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah replacing =dan with =da. Why didn't I just do lang=dan with lang=da, then it's near foolproof. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:35, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah. Also fwiw. —msh210℠ 18:38, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * If that was the problem, then you should check the rest of your dan>da edits, and also your ita>it and swe>sv edits and perhaps others. —msh210℠ 18:41, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I checked the preview before hitting 'save' - I just got a bit sloppy nearer the end. But yes, I should check for instances of svdish and itlian as well. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:28, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * PS Danishes are always sweet in the UK with fruit and jam. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:28, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

ca-noun/New
Should work now. --EncycloPetey 15:21, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
First time editing Wiktionary. Thanks for your help in ádihtian.

72.227.97.226 21:25, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Car Mglovesfun,

Le autor del Index:Interlingua es io, Josu Lavin, Presidente del Academia pro Interlingua ( http://interlingua.wikia.com ) e Representante pro Espania del Union Mundial pro Interlingua ( www.interlingua.com )

Le Index:Interlingua es un adaptation de mi Grande Thesauro de Interlingua:

http://interlingua.wikia.com/wiki/GRANDE_THESAURO_DE_INTERLINGUA

Illo pote servir multo ben de base pro un complete index de Interlingua.

Imbracios amical

Josu Lavin

 * Sir, stop spamming please and thanks. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 14:13, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Template:Babel unprotectionmp
Please could you unprotect Template:babel because i wish to add the template and move instructions from talk to the doc standard subpage? --Mglovesfun (talk) 08:21, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

About "Hello, in french"
Hello, Mglovesfun. I've met quite a lot of britishers males & females, & think (from my experience) that 9/10 of them are open minded people, who are interested in french culture & language, but are somewhat puzzled (&  sometimes put down ) by our way of thinking & being. So I thought it'd interest some people to know how we french casually speak & think, through our « tournures d'expression usuelles » related to the WOD.

Why do I (try to) write in english ? Because many of the learned users resorting to Wiktionnary do not know french (which is a great pity) : see for ex. question the question DP.

I feel that a question for sure « te brûle les lèvres » : « Why don't you write your « billets » in the french « Wiktionnaire'' » ? Elementary, my dear Mglove : there, everybody knows what I write about, & it'd be as redundant & useless as adding salt to codfish.

Well, t.m.a.l.s.s., I just try to bring some interesting peps to your favorite « champ d'action » , & hope I do not look iconoclastic to some purist minds.

« Bien cordialement à toi »

PS : Please don't forget the coma in "Hello, in french"" it implies the following « we use to say »... 08:21, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * My point is, it's not in French. Mglovesfun (talk) 08:22, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I'll try to correct this (I liked it a lot more when you said it was written in english)...As for my text being apocryphal, I was puzzled after depositing it to see that it was "biffé" (struck out), as in the entry supra about some Babel protecting template (a private joke?) but I had signed it with four tildes, as I do now. Have a good day. T.y. Arapaima 06:07, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

title: User talk:Mglovesfun/Archives/6


text: abripui

title: abripui


text: abreptum

title: abreptum


text:
piano accordion

Noun

 * 1)  an accordion with a keyboard similar to that of a piano.

Coordinate terms

 * button accordion

Translations

 * Chinese: 鍵盤式手風琴
 * Czech: klávesový akordeon
 * Dutch: klavieraccordeon
 * Finnish:
 * French: accordéon-piano
 * German: Pianoakkordeon
 * Irish: cairdín pianó, pianóchairdín
 * Manx: kishtey kiaullee
 * Maori: kōriana
 * Scottish Gaelic: bogsa piàna
 * Swedish: pianodragspel
 * Volapük: pianodaharmonöm

title: piano accordion


text: piano accordions

title: piano accordions


text: bogsaichean piàna

title: bogsaichean piàna


text: mitards

title: mitards


text:
bogsa piàna

Noun

 * 1) piano accordion

title: bogsa piàna


text:
piàna

Noun

 * 1) piano

title: piàna


text: piànathan

title: piànathan


text: accerso

title: accerso


text:
-qqammer

Suffix

 * 1) recently.
 * Kingornussaqqammersivunga.
 * I recently received some inheritance.

title: -qqammer


text:
button accordion

Noun

 * 1) An accordion whose melody-side keyboard consists of a series of buttons, rather than piano-style keys.

Coordinate terms

 * piano accordion

Translations

 * Dutch:
 * Finnish:
 * Scottish Gaelic: bogsa-phutan

title: button accordion


text: button accordions

title: button accordions


text: lightenings

title: lightenings


text:
Orcadien

Noun

 * 1) Orcadian

title: Orcadien


text:
bogsa-phutan

Noun

 * 1) button accordion

title: bogsa-phutan


text:
επεξεργαστής

Noun

 * 1)  processor

title: επεξεργαστής


text:
avaram

Etymology
From, , or a related form.

Noun

 * 1) A leguminous shrub with smooth cinnamon brown bark  from Southern Asia.
 * 2) A tannin from the bush' bark mainly used to tan hides.

title: avaram


text: bogsaichean-phutan

title: bogsaichean-phutan


text: pianoj

title: pianoj


text:
selkäsauna

Etymology
, from phrases like "saada selkään" which means to get spanked, but literally to "get it into the back"; sauna is probably used to symbolize heat. Compare the similarly formed.

Noun

 * 1) beating, licking

title: selkäsauna


text: pianojn

title: pianojn


text: χαλικιού

title: χαλικιού


text:
casruisgte

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) barefoot
 * 2) barelegged

Adverb

 * 1) barefoot
 * 2) barelegged

title: casruisgte


text: χαλικιών

title: χαλικιών


text:
avadavat

Etymology
Variant of earlier, from , city in Gujarat, India, from which the bird was imported to Europe.

Noun

 * 1) Any of various estrildid finches of the genus, especially the red avadavat, , of India and Southeast Asia, commonly kept and bred as a cagebird; also known as Java sparrow.
 * 2) * c. 1785,, "Elegy on the Lamented Death of an Avadavat" (undated manuscript preserved by his wife Elizabeth Ann Linley Sheridan is printed in Clementina Black, The Linleys of Bath (London: Martin Secker, 1911), pp. 180-81:
 * And now it has flown to new scenes of delight,
 * Where Venus's pigeons long cooing have sat,
 * While Lesbia's famed sparrow with envy moults white
 * And the Muses all chrip to the Avadavat.
 * 1) * 1819,, "The Eve of Saint Mark", (text of unfinished manuscript printed in berefrois, August 13, 2013):
 * And the warm angled winter screen,
 * On which were many monsters seen,
 * Call’d doves of Siam, Lima mice,
 * And legless birds of Paradise,
 * Macaw, and tender Avadavat,
 * And silken-furr’d Angora cat.
 * And silken-furr’d Angora cat.

title: avadavat


text: χαλίκια

title: χαλίκια


text:
mussukka

Etymology
Equivalent to.

Noun

 * 1) darling, sugar, sweetheart, sweetie

Derived terms

 * compounds

title: mussukka


text: rùsgaidh

title: rùsgaidh


text: rùsgaidhean

title: rùsgaidhean


text: υποπόδιου

title: υποπόδιου


text: υποπόδιων

title: υποπόδιων


text: υποπόδια

title: υποπόδια


text:
ευχαριστώ πολύ

Phrase

 * 1) thank you very much, many thanks

title: ευχαριστώ πολύ


text: flaconcini

title: flaconcini


text: åkeren

title: åkeren


text:
gainne

Noun

 * 1)  scale
 * 2)  scales
 * 3) scurf
 * 1) scurf

Noun

 * 1) scarcity; scantiness, paucity

Noun

 * 1) lack, want, shortage, scarcity

title: gainne


text: åkrar

title: åkrar


text: åkrane

title: åkrane


text:
gainnead

Noun

 * 1) lack, want, shortage, scarcity

title: gainnead


text: gainneid

title: gainneid


text:
User talk:Gausie

Template:sets
Unlike Wikipedia, we don't use big, bulky templates. Especially as we have. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:32, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Apologies, I used as inspiration --Gausie 16:49, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Yiddish conjugation module
Thanks for stepping up to help with this! How good are you at this (or to ask another way, how much time are you willing to put into it)? The biggest thing is to document what you've added at Template:yi-conj/documentation. I find that I no longer know quite how to use the template, as I discovered at, where I couldn't get the translit to work. Secondarily, there are some other features that would be nice, like adding an alternate past participle (e.g. for ). Thanks! —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 01:10, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm pretty good at it! Although the existing code is quite confusing, and it's not easy to make local tests before trying things out online. When I have the time I want to add some testcases so we can build this stuff in. But I'm learning as I'm going. Apologies if I have broken anything, though. --Gausie (talk) 11:47, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Hebrew pasúl
Re: פסול - if you are unfamiliar with Hebrew, it may be a better idea to double check before adding an entry; "pasúl" is a passive participle of the binyan kal (pa'al), not a passive verb in its own right. (There is no Hebrew binyan with the pattern pa'ul.) — Mnemosientje (t · c) 13:24, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

title: User talk:Gausie


text:
mufti day

Noun

 * 1)  A day on which school pupils are allowed to wear casual clothes which would on any other day be against the school's uniform policy.

title: mufti day


text: Pookie

title: Pookie


text:
inceppamento

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) blocking
 * 2) jamming, sticking

title: inceppamento


text:
nonergative

Adjective

 * 1) Not ergative.

title: nonergative


text:
caidheag

Noun

 * 1) kayak

title: caidheag


text: caidheig

title: caidheig


text: caidheagan

title: caidheagan


text:
orcadien

Adjective

 * 1) Orcadian

title: orcadien


text:
ajotin

Etymology
From, from , from , from the root.

Verb

 * 1)  to drive
 * 2)  to ride
 * 1)  to ride

title: ajotin


text: orcadienne

title: orcadienne


text: orcadiens

title: orcadiens


text: orcadiennes

title: orcadiennes


text: microbiomi

title: microbiomi


text: eicosanoidi

title: eicosanoidi


text: acidi eicosapentaenoici

title: acidi eicosapentaenoici


text: endemismi

title: endemismi


text: crisi finanziarie

title: crisi finanziarie


text: enogastronomie

title: enogastronomie


text: epatiti virali

title: epatiti virali


text: esocrinologie

title: esocrinologie


text: ferretti

title: ferretti


text: forchettine

title: forchettine


text:
clò-ghrafachd

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) typography

title: clò-ghrafachd


text: generativismi

title: generativismi


text: geostratigrafie

title: geostratigrafie


text: goniotomie

title: goniotomie


text: guidoni

title: guidoni


text: inceppamenti

title: inceppamenti


text: clò-ghrafachdan

title: clò-ghrafachdan


text: ecografica

title: ecografica


text: ecografici

title: ecografici


text: ecografiche

title: ecografiche


text: eicosapentaenoica

title: eicosapentaenoica


text: antidictionaries

title: antidictionaries


text: eicosapentaenoici

title: eicosapentaenoici


text: eicosapentaenoiche

title: eicosapentaenoiche


text: emocromocitometrica

title: emocromocitometrica


text: emocromocitometrici

title: emocromocitometrici


text: emocromocitometriche

title: emocromocitometriche


text: sommativa

title: sommativa


text: sommativi

title: sommativi


text: sommative

title: sommative


text: farmacoprotesica

title: farmacoprotesica


text: farmacoprotesici

title: farmacoprotesici


text: farmacoprotesiche

title: farmacoprotesiche


text: farmacoriabilitativa

title: farmacoriabilitativa


text: farmacoriabilitativi

title: farmacoriabilitativi


text: farmacoriabilitative

title: farmacoriabilitative


text: gonioscopica

title: gonioscopica


text: gonioscopici

title: gonioscopici


text: gonioscopiche

title: gonioscopiche


text: singlinos

title: singlinos