text:
pésce

Noun

 * 1) fish

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: pésce


text:
十八般兵器

Proper noun

 * 1) Eighteen Arms of Wushu, a list of weapons used in Chinese martial arts

title: 十八般兵器


text:
नशा

Etymology
, from, from the root. Compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1)  intoxication; drunkenness
 * 2) alcohol; alcoholic beverage
 * 3) drug; narcotic
 * 4)  obsession; delusion
 * 1)  obsession; delusion

title: नशा


text:
cià

Interjection

 * 1) come on!

Interjection

 * 1) hello!

title: cià


text:
sckife

Noun

 * 1) ship

title: sckife


text:
bbuène

Adjective

 * 1) good

title: bbuène


text:
vurpe

Noun

 * 1) fox

title: vurpe


text:
omme

Etymology
Borrowed from, from , from , from , from.

Noun

 * 1) male

Interjection

 * 1) Hey, !

Etymology
From, , from.

Preposition

 * 1) around, about
 * 2) at around (a time)
 * 3) for, for the purpose of
 * 4)  in order to
 * 5) in exchange for

Adverb

 * 1) around, about

Adverb

 * 1) Something that is over, has ended

Adverb

 * 1) Something that is over, has ended

Noun

 * 1) man

title: omme


text:
カップヌードル

Noun

 * 1) instant noodles packaged in a cup

title: カップヌードル


text: kappu nūdoru

title: kappu nūdoru


text:
かずとり

Noun

 * 1)  counting

title: かずとり


text: kazutori

title: kazutori


text:
数取り

Noun

 * 1) counting

Verb

 * 1) count

title: 数取り


text: milj

title: milj


text:
lìbbre

Noun

 * 1) book

title: lìbbre


text:
içilmek

Etymology
From, from. Equivalent to. Cognate with 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1)  to be drunk, be imbibed
 * 2)  to be smoked
 * 3)  to be absorbed

title: içilmek


title: Template:is-conj-s1


text:
fridde

Adjective

 * 1) cold

title: fridde


text:
frische

Adjective

 * 1) cool (slightly cold)

title: frische


text:
pìsce

Noun

 * 1) fish

title: pìsce


text:
oynanmak

Etymology
From, equivalent to

Verb

 * 1) ; to be played

title: oynanmak


text:
vosche

Noun

 * 1) wood, forest

title: vosche


text:
ensinnä

Adverb

 * 1) first, at first, firstly

title: ensinnä


text:
servagge

Adjective

 * 1) wild (not tame or domesticated)

title: servagge


text:
asialista

Noun

 * 1) agenda

title: asialista


text:
mulèdde

Noun

 * 1) apple

title: mulèdde


text:
sciardìne

Noun

 * 1) garden

title: sciardìne


text:
fuèche

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) fire

title: fuèche


text:
cinde

Etymology
From.

Numeral

 * 1) hundred

Etymology
From, from , from.

Noun

 * 1) ash

title: cinde


text:
心覚え

Noun

 * 1) memory

title: 心覚え


text:
esityslista

Noun

 * 1) agenda list of issues to be discussed in a meeting, often including background information and proposals for the decisions to be made

title: esityslista


text:
valtakunnallisesti

Adverb

 * 1) nationwide

title: valtakunnallisesti


text:
rinnalle

Postposition

 * 1) to beside, to the side of next to

Adverb

 * 1)  next to it
 * 2)  next door

Postposition

 * 1)  next to, to the side of

title: rinnalle


text:
愛でる

Etymology
→ * → →

From verb.

Verb

 * 1) to love
 * 2) to adore
 * 3) to admire, to appreciate
 * 1) to adore
 * 2) to admire, to appreciate
 * 1) to admire, to appreciate
 * 1) to admire, to appreciate

title: 愛でる


text:
uéve

Noun

 * 1) egg

title: uéve


text: かんしゃく

title: かんしゃく


text: kanshaku

title: kanshaku


text:
ELY-keskus

Etymology
Abbreviated from, which is joint regional office of three ministries, , and.

Noun

 * 1)  Centre for Economic Development, Transport and the Environment official translation, often abbreviated as ELY Centre or, rarely, EDTE Centre.

title: ELY-keskus


text:
ほとり

Etymology
From at least the. Appears to be a compound or conjugation, but the ultimate derivation is.

Noun

 * 1) the area near something or along the edge of something
 * 2) those people who are close to someone in terms of social relationships

title: ほとり


text:
καταγελαστής

Etymology
From.

title: καταγελαστής


text:
uègghie

Noun

 * 1) oil (edible)

title: uègghie


text:
segnòre

Noun

 * 1) master

title: segnòre


text:
candìne

Noun

 * 1) cellar

title: candìne


text: とどこおる

title: とどこおる


text: todokōru

title: todokōru


text:
ciucce

Noun

 * 1) donkey

title: ciucce


text:
burre

Etymology
From, from.

Noun

 * 1)  butter

Verb

 * 1) to purr like a cat or a motor

Noun

 * 1) butter

title: burre


text:
滞る

Verb

 * 1) be overdue, be in arrears, back up, be stacked up

title: 滞る


text:
Tritono

Proper noun

 * 1)  Triton
 * 2)  Triton

title: Tritono


text: うつろ

title: うつろ


text: Tritonon

title: Tritonon


text:
portafogghie

Noun

 * 1) wallet
 * 2) handbag
 * 3) portfolio (all senses)

title: portafogghie


text: utsuro

title: utsuro


text:
chiode

Noun

 * 1) nail, spike

title: chiode


text: suzuki

title: suzuki


text:
gomite

Noun

 * 1) elbow

title: gomite


text:
Template:sq-decl-personal pronoun

forms of

title: Template:sq-decl-personal pronoun


text: língchí

title: língchí


text:
TE-keskus

Etymology
Abbreviated from.

Noun

 * 1)  A regional office of, discontinued in 2010 and merged with offices of two other ministries to.

title: TE-keskus


text:
oleellisesti

Adverb

 * 1) fundamentally

Usage notes
is often translated incorrectly as "essentially". The words "essentially" and "fundamentally" are often misleadingly listed as synonyms in dictionaries, but the use of "essentially" in the following sentence would change its meaning completely and would say the opposite, that the problem is different though it looks similar: "This problem is fundamentally different."

title: oleellisesti


text:
変革

Noun

 * 1) revolution, change, transformation

Verb

 * 1) change, transform

title: 変革


text: tritiumkern

title: tritiumkern


text: tritonoj

title: tritonoj


text: tritonon

title: tritonon


text: tritonojn

title: tritonojn


text:
ろんり

Noun

 * 1)  logic

title: ろんり


text: ronri

title: ronri


title: User:Clarkcj12


text:
景観

Noun

 * 1) scenery

title: 景観


text:
kustannusarvio

Noun

 * 1) budget itemized summary of intended expenditure
 * 2) cost estimate

title: kustannusarvio


text:
tricio

Noun

 * 1)  tritium

title: tricio


text: surrendred

title: surrendred


text: tricion

title: tricion


text: trition

title: trition


text: skinning back

title: skinning back


text: Citations:canceler

title: Citations:canceler


text:
deuteriumkern

Etymology
Compound of.

Noun

 * 1)  deuteron, deuterium nucleus

title: deuteriumkern


text: deuteriumkernen

title: deuteriumkernen


text: tritiumkernen

title: tritiumkernen


text:
deŭterio

Etymology
Borrowed from, coined in 1931 by American chemist , from.

Noun

 * 1)  deuterium

title: deŭterio


text: deŭterion

title: deŭterion


text: re-entring

title: re-entring


text: re-entred

title: re-entred


text:
deŭterono

Noun

 * 1)  deuteron, deuterium nucleus

title: deŭterono


text: deŭteronoj

title: deŭteronoj


text: deŭteronon

title: deŭteronon


text: deŭteronojn

title: deŭteronojn


text:
suire

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) climbing

title: suire


text: suiant

title: suiant


text: procion

title: procion


text: propretie

title: propretie


text: destruision

title: destruision


text:
special stage

Noun

 * 1)  A competitive section of a rally event where the goal is to cover a stretch of closed road in the shortest time.
 * 2)  A bonus level taking place between the main levels of a game.

Translations

 * Finnish:

title: special stage


text:
joneor

Adjective

 * 1) ; younger

title: joneor


text:
andeind

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  antiparticle

title: andeind


text: pestring

title: pestring


text: pestred

title: pestred


text: pestres

title: pestres


text: pestre

title: pestre


text: Category:Icelandic terms prefixed with and-


text:
Citations:pestre

Verb: obsolete form of pester

 * 1563, Barnabe Googe, reprinted in 1871, in Eglogs, Epytaphes, & Sonettes, page 123:
 * With ragyng flames flong rounde about / he pestres all the ayre.
 * 1564, Desiderius Erasmus quoted in The Apophthegmes of Erasmus, page #179:
 * That we may not with to many thinges pestre and cloy the Reader.

title: Citations:pestre


text: periodick

title: periodick


text:
skin back

Verb

 * 1)  Retract (an  of  or, or an  protective ).
 * 2) * 1963 December, Morton J. Schultz, “Keep the Power in Power Steering” in Popular Mechanics (Popular Mechanics Company), ed. Don Dinwiddie, volume 120, № 6, page 168
 * Check piston rod for scoring by skinning back protective rubber boot.
 * 1) * 1969, Gerald J. Grantz, Home Book of Taxidermy and Tanning (Stackpole Books), chapter 4: “Mounting Birds”, pages 65–66
 * Proceed rearward from the incision at the anus, cutting the anal canal just above the opening and skinning back to the point just forward of the tail quills.

title: skin back


text: mamama

title: mamama


text:
μάντης

Etymology
From, from.

Noun

 * 1) oracle, prophet, soothsayer, seer
 * 2) clairvoyant, fortune teller

Related terms

 * & compounds
 * & compounds
 * & compounds
 * & compounds

title: μάντης


text:
what-what

Interjection

 * 1)   Used to add emphasis to, and to seek agreement with, a previous statement.

title: what-what


text:
User talk:Buster Keaton

I'm Buster Keaton
hello, I am User "Buster Keaton" working essentially in French Wikipedia since 2007 ; I have an unified account ;

I would write in the same occasion that I like very much the Logo:Wiktionnaire.fr, that I hope the Logo:Wiktionary.en will be the same ; sincerely yours,

--Buster Keaton 18:47, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Buster Keaton


text:
Citations:eglogs

 * 1563, Barnabe Googe, reprinted in 1871, in Eglogs, Epytaphes, & Sonettes, page 123:
 * With ragyng flames flong rounde about / he pestres all the ayre.
 * circa 1600, Michael Drayton, reprinted in 1891 and 1967, Poemes, Lyrick and pastorall. Odes, Eglogs, The man in the Moone, page 74:
 * The seauenth Eglog

title: Citations:eglogs


text: eglog

title: eglog


text: eclog

title: eclog


text: eclogs

title: eclogs


text: eglogs

title: eglogs


text:
Template:sq-personal pronouns

Albanian personal pronouns

title: Template:sq-personal pronouns


text:
Opschrëft

Noun

 * 1) label
 * 2) inscription
 * 3) * Luxembourgish translation of Matthew 22:20:
 * Du sot hien zu hinnen: "Wiem säi Bild a wiem seng Opschrëft ass dat hei?"
 * Then he said to them: "Whose picture and whose inscription is this here?"

title: Opschrëft


text:
in like wise

Etymology
From.

Prepositional phrase

 * 1)  In the same way.
 * 2) * 1533,, letter:
 * Brother Rosell, in my right hearty wise I commend me unto you, and in like wise unto my sister your bedfellow, &c.
 * Brother Rosell, in my right hearty wise I commend me unto you, and in like wise unto my sister your bedfellow, &c.

title: in like wise


text:
wichteg

Etymology
From (sense “important” 16th c.), from Late, from.

Adjective

 * 1) important

title: wichteg


text:
User:Buster Keaton

Joseph Frank

"Buster" Keaton

was an American

comic actor,

filmmaker,

producer and

writer [...] He was best known

for his silent

films, in which

his trademark

was physical comedy

with a consistently

stoic, deadpan expression,

earning him the nickname

"The Great Stone Face".

(Citation

from article

Buster Keaton

en.wikipedia.)

Please,

note I'm not

this great man,

but an User in

Wikimedia Foundation.

Thank you,

Buster Keaton 22:45, Wednesday 12 October 2011

title: User:Buster Keaton


text:
User:ZxxZxxZ

Category:Pages with module errors

Category:ZxxZxxZ's test category

Category:Template tracking

User:ZxxZxxZ/Sources

[ Recent changes for fa]

title: User:ZxxZxxZ


text: qiàqià

title: qiàqià


text:
erikoiskoe

Noun

 * 1)  special stage

title: erikoiskoe


text:
アバター

Etymology
From, ultimately from , a compound of and the vṛddhi-stem of the root.

Noun

 * 1)  avatar: a user's visual representation during online communication; usually an icon

Usage notes
In contexts referring to the religious aspects of the English term, the more common words to use would be or.

title: アバター


text:
pääsääntöisesti

Adverb

 * 1) as a rule, as a general rule

Usage notes
This word is regarded as an annoying neologism by some.

title: pääsääntöisesti


text:
sormonter

Etymology
From. First attested in the early 12th century (writings of ). Compare 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1) to surpass; to go beyond

title: sormonter


text:
文林

Noun

 * 1)  place where scholars get together
 * 2)  scholarly world
 * 3)  writer's resort

title: 文林


text: Talk:文林

title: Talk:文林


text: سکریپکا

title: سکریپکا


text: کؤلگه

title: کؤلگه


text:
Talk:ears are burning

Could perhaps be one's ears are burning, not sure that the definition is 100% accurate (though it's not wrong). Mglovesfun (talk) 21:06, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

title: Talk:ears are burning


text:
paritaire

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1)  parity, equality
 * 2) egalitarian

title: paritaire


text:
pavillonnaire

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) pavilioned

title: pavillonnaire


text:
داغ

Adverb

 * 1)  not

Etymology 1
From.

Noun

 * 1) mountain

Etymology 2
From.

Noun

 * 1) sear, mark left by cauterization or etching, brand
 * 2)  grief, pang, chagrin

Etymology
Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬. Related to, from , from , from.

Adjective

 * 1) hot

Adverb

 * 1) exciting

Noun

 * 1) sear, mark left by cauterization or etching, brand
 * 2)  mark, stain, blemish, scar, dark spot
 * 3) branding iron
 * 1) branding iron

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) a stain, spot

title: داغ


text:
䖦

Glyph origin
.

title: 䖦


text:
protectionnisme

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) protectionism

title: protectionnisme


text:
spanac

Etymology
, ultimately from.

Noun

 * 1)  spinach
 * 2)  trifle

title: spanac


text: protectrice

title: protectrice


text: préoccupante

title: préoccupante


text: préoccupants

title: préoccupants


text: préoccupantes

title: préoccupantes


text:
Talk:䖦

More information
More information about this character:

《唐韻》職悅切，音拙. 蟲也. 又《集韻》曲勿切，音屈. 《說文》蛣䖦也. 或作𧌑. 《爾雅·釋蟲》蝎，蛣𧌑. 《註》木中蠹蟲. 又五忽切，音兀. 義同. 考證：〔《爾雅·釋蟲》蝎，蛣䖦. 《註》木中蟲也，或作𧌑. 〕　謹照原文䖦改𧌑. 蟲也改蠹蟲. 或作𧌑三字移於爾雅上.

71.66.97.228 21:30, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

䖦
Does this actually make any sense to anyone? SemperBlotto 21:20, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

 * It's just a rudimentary first attempt at bluelinking one of the thousands of rare/archaic-Chinese-character redlinks we've had for many years, with little effort on anyone's part for turning them into bluelinks. This particular one is a type of insect or arachnid. 71.66.97.228 21:23, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

 * Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be attested. - -sche (discuss) 22:23, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

 * What are you talking about? It is in several reputable databases, with examples of usages from classical Chinese literature. Why make a statement like this if you haven't already checked those databases? 71.66.97.228 22:44, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

 * @71.66.97.228, you should probably rejoin Wiktionary and have the Babel box, so people know that you're a native speaker, or use your account. Was it blocked or something? What was your user account again? As for the rare characters, do we to attest them? I think we need to attest characters only if there is a serious doubt about theire existence. Google has many hits. --Anatoli 23:00, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

 * It's not used on Usenet and the only Google Books hit is a scanno, hence my statement. If it's attested elsewhere, that's great. - -sche (discuss) 23:16, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

 * Please be serious. The classical Chinese corpus includes hundreds of times more texts than are available on the Internet. We Wiktionary editors (some of us having been here nearly since the beginning of the project) do actually use libraries and paper books in addition to the Internet, which often makes unavailable certain more rare CJKV characters simply due to the arbitrariness of coding systems, and the coders who have decided to leave certain lesser-used characters out of the Unicode system entirely. 71.66.97.228 23:19, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

 * Paper sources can be used as attestation just fine but as I said, it's not a contentious issue, so no citations may be required. -sche has agreed with this, so no need to get upset. --Anatoli 23:33, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

 * Right. :) So, in answer to SemperBlotto's question, yes, we should have this. - -sche (discuss) 00:18, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

 * I made a clean-up request for it, if anyone's interested. --Lo Ximiendo 01:47, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * @71.66.97.228, you don't have to answer in such a shirty way. Mglovesfun (talk) 06:22, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

kept -- Liliana • 03:40, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

title: Talk:䖦


text: мизраб

title: мизраб


text: Category:az:Dances

title: Category:az:Dances


text:
Appendix:Lojban/aierne

Predicate

 * 1)  is Armenian in aspect.

title: Appendix:Lojban/aierne


text:
Appendix:Lojban/aizdo

Predicate

 * 1)  is woad of species/variety.

title: Appendix:Lojban/aizdo


text:
Appendix:Lojban/akmela

Predicate

 * 1)  is a toothache plant/spotflower/paracress of species/variety.

title: Appendix:Lojban/akmela


text:
Appendix:Lojban/alba’aka

Predicate

 * 1)  is basil of species/variety.

title: Appendix:Lojban/alba’aka


text:
Appendix:Lojban/alminiu

Predicate

 * 1) x1 is a quantity of/contains/is made of aluminium

title: Appendix:Lojban/alminiu


text: air letters

title: air letters


text:
䂢

Definitions

 * 1)  sound of falling rocks

title: 䂢


text:
䀠

Definitions

 * 1) to look around
 * 2) nervous

title: 䀠


text:
flannel-mouthed

Adjective

 * 1) Possessing, characterized by, or in the manner of speaking of a flannelmouth.
 * 2) Smooth and persuasive in speech, especially in order to deceive or manipulate.
 * 3) Unclear, muffled, or halting in speech.
 * 1) Unclear, muffled, or halting in speech.

title: flannel-mouthed


text: flannelmouthed

title: flannelmouthed


text:
User:Hoo User Page Bot

This bot syncs user and user talk pages across all wikis, request can be made here. Feel free to complain if it does anything it shouldn't. Every request gets performed and reviewed by Hoo man.

title: User:Hoo User Page Bot


text:
Talk:熊

Korean section
The Korean section is a bit strange. Is only the translation or a 2nd reading as well? If it is a second reading, how do you add it? See also Talk:곰. --Anatoli 23:29, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Japanese etymology and Baekje comparandum?
, do any of you have anything to verify the by anon  of the purported Baekje cognate ? ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 21:48, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * This particular phonogramic usage comes from the :
 * 號所治城曰固麻
 * They [the Baekje people] call the ruling city *.
 * The same toponym is phonetically transcribed 久麻那利 in the  and in the Yongbi eocheonga, and also logographically written 熊津, so it's a safe bet that 固麻 = 久麻 = 고마〮 = "bear" in Baekje. (Whether this is *kuma or *koma isn't clear.)
 * But of course the word isn't actually attested as an individual word so I don't think it deserves to be lemmatized.--Karaeng Matoaya (talk) 23:07, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Bears and holes
Currently, this entry and both claim an etymological connection between “bear” and “hole” in Korean and Japanese. At least on the Korean side of things, this is wholly spurious.

 * “bear” in Middle Korean is kwôm (forgive me for the circumflex, I’m on mobile right now) probably from earlier kwòmá
 * 곰 as “hole” is actually wrong (should be 굼) and is from Middle Korean kwùmk-, connective stem of kwùmù “hole”, ultimately from earlier *kwùmùk

How does the Japanese side work out? Vovin seems to think kuma “bear” is a Korean borrowing into Japanese which would make an internal Japonic etymology impossible.—Karaeng Matoaya (talk) 23:31, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

 * @Karaeng Matoaya, thank you for the reworking and the further details above. I'd have to do more digging to suss out the Japonic details.  The U of the Ryukyu's online Shuri-Naha Okinawan dictionary site has been down since early September, and they're now two weeks past the mid-October re-opening date, which makes me worry that they're not coming back online any time soon.
 * I'm curious about the Japonic -- Koreanic vowel correspondences. If JA kuma "bear" is a borrowing into Japonic, we are left with JA kuma "hole" and Koreanic *kwùmùk as possible cognates.  Or are they both borrowings into Japonic?
 * PS: the same anon added Silla / Old Korean content to the 🇨🇬 entry. I'm not entirely happy with how I reformatted; could you have a look?)
 * Cheers, ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 23:54, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

 * I'm not convinced by Vovin's reasoning for "bear" being a borrowing into Japonic. His main argument is that Baekje Korean had based on the Nihon shoki phonograms, and since  is the earlier form (I forget his argument for this but it's around somewhere) both Baekje and Japonic share the same innovation, which is why it must be a borrowing into Japanese.
 * The issue is that there is actually no solid evidence that Baekje had instead of  because the phonogramic evidence is very ambiguous, even in the Nihon shoki itself which once gives the kana コム for the first element here. So if  is indeed original, it could well be a natively Japanese innovation. On the other hand,  might be a Japanese loan into Korean, with the quality of the first vowel changed for some reason (e.g. by the innovation of vowel harmony, which appears to not have existed in Old Korean).
 * I don't know of anyone who has looked into kuma ~ *kwùmùk yet.--Karaeng Matoaya (talk) 08:47, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * @Eirikr "The U of the Ryukyu's online Shuri-Naha Okinawan dictionary site has been down since early September, and they're now two weeks past the mid-October re-opening date, which makes me worry that they're not coming back online any time soon." See here for OKN kuma (OGJ Data Shū, not (just) the JLect entry); I also say the site shutdown is a big problem for me, because Nakijin (Kunigami) and Yamatohama (Northern Amami Oshima) (and Miyako?) dialect data is inaccessible (required for comparative Japonic linguistics), and at my age I can't purchase the original sources.
 * I've emailed the Kiki Gengo DB asking if they can add the data, but this is what they said:
 * See also Carlino (2021). Plans to include Nakijin dialect but doesn't include Yamatohama dialect (instead includes Yuwan dialect but only in grammar parts).
 * I also emailed U of Rs Lib about when their RGOD site will return, but no response (yet).
 * Data of endangered languages must be preserved and open to the general public, especially for those languages (dialects). Because I have very limited access to these languages. We already have Ainu (a totally different language unrelated to Japonic with the exception of a few borrowings). Now, I GTG. Chuterix (talk) 01:28, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * P.S. the RGOD site does not load at all. Chuterix (talk) 01:35, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Eirikr, @Kwékwlos, @Mellohi!, etc, great news; they've emailed me back the following message:
 * "琉球語音声データベースの担当者より、下記のご連絡をいただいております. 「今年度中にリニューアル公開できるよう準備を進めており、準備を進めております. 」 どうぞよろしくお願いします. We have received the following notice from the person in charge of The Audio Database of the Ryukyuan Language. We are preparing to renew and release the database by March 2024, and preparations are underway.'" Chuterix (talk) 10:32, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I forgot to say the translation was a part of the email reply (above - Chuterix (talk) 20:18, 2 May 2023 (UTC)) (but does that even matter?). Chuterix (talk) 20:16, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Ryukyuan cognates are in Northern Ryukyuan: Kunigami (Nakijin) kumā, Northern Amami-Oshima (Yamatohama) kuma, Okinawan (Shuri) kuma. I couldn't find Southern Ryukyuan cognates, also as pointed by Vovin (2010) p. 143. This might be a regional wanderwort via Old Chinese as explained in the main entry, acquired by the Baekje, Goguryeo, Korean, Japanese, and Northern Ryukyuan. Chuterix (talk) 01:32, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Ryukyuan cognates are in Northern Ryukyuan: Kunigami (Nakijin) kumā, Northern Amami-Oshima (Yamatohama) kuma, Okinawan (Shuri) kuma. I couldn't find Southern Ryukyuan cognates, also as pointed by Vovin (2010) p. 143. This might be a regional wanderwort via Old Chinese as explained in the main entry, acquired by the Baekje, Goguryeo, Korean, Japanese, and Northern Ryukyuan. Chuterix (talk) 01:32, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Some senses
Where did you get the definitions "to oppress, to tyrannise", "mean; malicious; merciless" and "loutish; oafish" from? I cannot find them in major monolingual dictionaries. RcAlex36 (talk) 14:48, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I may have used the ABC dictionary shipped with Wenlin but I can't confirm, since I temporarily can't access it. If I can, I will do another search and re-add (will let you know if I do or discuss). I have removed these senses for now. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 01:56, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I found it in ABC Chinese-English Comprehensive Dictionary but it doesn't come with any usage examples. If you would like to add them back I will send them to RFV. RcAlex36 (talk) 04:06, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking. As I said, I would check with you. I don't insist on adding them if they can't be confirmed elsewhere. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 04:13, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

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adjetival

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 * 1) adjectival

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 * Nincs mit csinálni. - There is nothing to do.
 * Nincs mit csinálni. - There is nothing to do.

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Talk:zoopsychologies

zoopsychologies
I don't think this is a countable word, nor is it attestable over a period longer than a year so it's gotta go.Gtroy 21:04, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

 * I've just "speedied" it because I agree. It only seems to be in word lists. I know it's incredibly anal to pick on plurals and verb inflections for not existing when the root word does exist, but that's sort of why we're here, right? Equinox ◑ 21:07, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Unless there are different kinds of zoopsychologies, but I can't imagine there would be. Jamesjiao → T ◊ C 21:09, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, you just used this plural. This is a good proof that this page should have been kept. Lmaltier 05:18, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

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Talk:Thames河

Thames河

 * Semi-relevant previous discussion: Talk:Ampere定律.
 * Concurrent discussion: Beer_parlour.
 * (Anatoli's insertion:) Keeping Alzheimer病 should be revisited. Strong delete. --Anatoli 05:18, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * (New entry by the same user: Hyde公园. --Anatoli 22:51, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * (New entry by the same user using a freshly generate IP address: Special:Contributions/2.25.214.61: Planck常数 --Anatoli 21:57, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * (Same IP address: Special:Contributions/2.25.214.61: Green dìnglǐ, Compton xiàoyìng --Anatoli 00:39, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

(another edit) Expecting a rain of mixed language stuff from the same user in a different shape, will just keep adding them here: Huygens yuánlǐ. --Anatoli 01:01, 5 October 2011 (UTC) Hubble Chángshù
 * This IP address of 2.25.214.61 is also busy adding biblical quotations as usage examples for entries such as this edit to 所 and this edit of 蛇. Struck me as a bit odd, and then I saw the same IP address here, so I thought I'd mention it.  -- Eiríkr Útlendi | Tala við mig 03:48, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

This construction (English proper noun + Chinese word for river) could be used with any river not originating from a Chinese speaking region in the world. For example, Thames河 (the River Thames), Avon河 (any Avon river), Amazon河 (the Amazon) and Rhine河 (the Rhine), all of which have or can have Chinese phonetic translations. They are 泰晤士(河), 艾文河, 亚马逊(河) and 莱因河 respectively. The mixed script version is almost exclusively used among bilingual speakers of English and Chinese, and will not be understood by any monolingual Chinese speaker. So I suggest to delete the mixed versions and only include the phonetic Chinese versions. Any input is appreciated. Jamesjiao → T ◊ C 01:05, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

 * If it "will not be understood by any monolingual Chinese speaker", that speaker might want to look it up in a dictionary. Of course, the argument could be made that these are SOP and the speaker could just look up "Thames" and "河". I am at the moment very weakly inclined to keep these if they are attested. Note that both "Rhine河" and "Rhein河" get about 1500 hits on Google: I haven't decided if the fact that different languages' names for the rivers can be used makes the compounds seem more or less appropriate for inclusion. - -sche (discuss) 01:20, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * These are definitely attestable (e.g. the first hit for Rhine河 on google is an article on blogspot.com about someone's travel experience in Koblenz). That's why I didn't include this topic in rfv. It's just a matter of should or should not. As I said, I am inclined towards deletion, but I am open to comments such as yours. Jamesjiao → T ◊ C 01:28, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

 * After some thought, I am more strongly inclined to keep these, because different languages' names — and especially because other exonyms — are used in the compounds. The existence of forms like "Rhine河" (alongside "Rhein河") and "Danube河" (alongside "Donau河" and "Duna河") means that the compounds are not formed only by combining the river's non-Chinese endonym (in the absence of a Chinese endonym like 黄) with "河": instead, sometimes other exonyms are used. ("Rhine" is no better than "莱茵(河)"; both are exonyms.) This is bizarre, and we should explain it. We should tell in the etymology section what language the Latin-script part is, and if it is an exonym, we should link (eg to Rhine) so that users can learn (from the translations section of Rhine) what the river is actually called by the people near it; we should also have synonym sections for the Chinese exonyms. If the Chinese names are SOP, they can be unlinked or linked like this: 莱茵河 . - -sche (discuss) 02:41, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Strong delete. We should have a clear language policy to avoid this bullsh.t. English or other language words can always be found in a Mandarin text, it doesn't make the foreign words Mandarin. This is a clearcut Chinglish!. --Anatoli 02:58, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

 * @-sche. I already mentioned at Talk:Ampere定律 that foreign words are mentioned only once for clarity if at all, so that native Chinese speakers are not confused about the identity of a person, place name, etc. E.g. like in Chinese Wikipedia: 泰晤士河 (英语：River Thames). The Chinese transliteration of foreign names is complex, no doubt, and there is some level of incosistency and rare names may not have an established translation but writing names in Roman letters is not a feature of native speakers, they only write it when they don't know how to write it properly. If there is an established translation of a name, though, writing it in Roman letters should be avoided, otherwise every single English name will get a Chinese entry. --Anatoli 03:11, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No, certainly not. Only when they are used in Chinese (and not only mentioned). Are quotations for this word uses or mentions? Lmaltier 05:29, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Strong delete. Standard Chinese is and has always been (for > 3000 years) written with Chinese characters. None of the orthography standards in PRC (中华人民共和国国家通用语言文字法) and ROC (常用國字標準字體表, 次常用國字標準字體表, 罕用字體表) recognise the use of non-Chinese scripts. I don't understand why non-speakers often consider this worthy of inclusion (both here and at Talk:Ampere定律). English proper nouns get mixed into other languages all the time, the fact that Chinese, being the only major language written completely with a non-phonemic writing system, sometimes contains these words for clarity, does not at all make them Chinese. 60.240.101.246 03:59, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * What you explain is a strong rationale for keeping. If they are used in Chinese, they should be kept. It's the same for words such as autoroute: can this word really be considered as an English word? Still, it has an Englsih section. Creating a section for a language does not mean that the word fully and naturally belongs to the language, only that it is used in the language. Lmaltier 05:13, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

 * What the anon user means is, in Chinese it's OK and common to write a Chinese word followed by the original or English spelling for clarity, e.g.: (Thames). It may difficult to tell, which river "Tàiwùshì Hé" actually is. Knowing the correct characters for a foreign name is a challenge for Chinese themselves and they do write it in English and other languages, if they don't know the hanzi, nothing more, nothing less. Can I ask not to make assumptions if you don't know how Mandarin works? Your parallels are not appropriate without some background knowledge. --Anatoli 05:53, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't assume anything. I ask questions (uses or mentions?) and I say that, if it's used, it should be included. You explain that English words are often mentioned for clarification. Obviousy, this is not a reason for including them as a Chinese section. But what of the term under discussion? From what I understand from discussions, citations use the English term instead of the Chinese character(s), and they are not only mentions (but this is only my understanding from the discussion). Lmaltier 17:04, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Strong delete. Though rarer, Japanese occasionally does the same thing, using foreign words in other writing systems after the Japanese kana or kanji rendering, purely for clarification.  This does not turn such foreign words into Japanese just because they're being used in a Japanese context, any more than an English writer using Japanese or Chinese purely for clarification turn those words into English.  -- Eiríkr Útlendi | Tala við mig 16:29, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I have no informed opinion because I know no Mandarin. However, I get the nomination. means river so this is SoP Thames + 河. But if you look up Thames there's no Mandarin entry. However there is an English entry, and we deleted the Portuguese entry for I love you as the usage in Portuguese only refers to the English phrase. Similarly, if I say "the French for White House is Maison Blanche" then the fact that Maison Blanche appears in an English sentence doesn't make it English. Hopefully this has provided some clarity, as I myself am not qualified to give an informed opinion. Mglovesfun (talk) 19:37, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Regarding the Portuguese use of "I love you": but we're set to keep the Italian use of Requests_for_deletion, because it isn't SOP in Italian. Without having seen the discussion of "I love you", I wonder if one or the other should be revisited. - -sche (discuss) 20:37, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

 * FWIW, "Волга河" is attested on Google, though not Google Books. In other words, scripts other than Latin can be found. - -sche (discuss) 20:37, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Also FWIW, there are a few Google hits for the (English) phrase "the Волга river". - -sche (discuss) 21:02, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * ...and I just created and cited Москва. Cheers! - -sche (discuss) 21:18, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

 * In at least some of the citations available on Google Books, "Thames河" is used not in parentheses and not followed by "泰晤士河" (see Citations:Thames河 for one example). If these books were only mentioning the Latin script form, giving it to disambiguate or clarify the Chinese form, I would expect the Chinese form to be given, but in some instances, it isn't. The mixed-script term seems to be used in those instances. The idea that instances of mixed-script are clarificatory also doesn't completely explain why non-Chinese exonyms are sometimes used: on Google, I can find "Волга河" (Russian), "Volga河" (English) and "Wolga河" (German!). I understand the feeling that these mixed-script proper placename nouns are not Chinese, but at least a few of them seem to be used in Chinese. - -sche (discuss) 21:02, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

 * To get to what I'm discovering might be a more core argument: sure, these terms might be used in Chinese, but are they used as Chinese? To wit, do they have any intrinsically Chinese meaning, any meaning in Chinese that is different from how the terms are used in other languages, or are these terms being used purely as foreign (i.e. non-Chinese) words?
 * If the former, fine, let's list them as Chinese and lay out the specific Chinese meanings. If the latter, as with Москва above, I feel very strongly that these terms do not belong under Chinese (or in -sche's case, English) headings.  -- Eiríkr Útlendi | Tala við mig 22:11, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

As an aside, how is this particular entry not SOP in the first place? Even if it's attested, I don't think that's terribly relevant, since it's still SOP. Even if it "will not be understood by any monolingual Chinese speaker", and that speaker might want to look it up in a dictionary, as -sche notes, then as -sche also notes, wouldn't they think "I'll look up Thames:, since I know what 河: means," or "I'll look up 河, since I know what Thames: means," or "I'll look up Thames: and 河: separately since they're clearly in different scripts and are thus likely separate words"? We don't have River Thames: or Potomac River:, presumably for SOP reasons, even though we do have Thames:, Potomac:, and river: individually. -- Eiríkr Útlendi | Tala við mig 22:22, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

 * In Chinese Mandarin, Thames河 is a whole meaning, the people say Thames Hé but not Thames.
 * For example: Wǒmen qù Thames Hé sànbù (We go to the Thames for a walk), but not Wǒmen qù Thames sànbù.
 * Another related example: Wǒmen qù Hyde Gōngyuán sànbù (We go to Hyde Park for a walk), but not Wǒmen qù Hyde sànbù. 2.25.212.4 23:52, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

 * I agree with the usage of qualifier -河, 公园, etc. but the usage of English names in Chinese is a clearcut Chinglish. Even though Chinese in London may say Hyde公园 (pronouncing Hyde as in English) or even "Hyde Park", it's because they become anglicised. The proper way to say Hyde Park in Mandarin is . Are you going to create Hyde公园/Hyde Gōngyuán now? --Anatoli 00:07, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * "Chinglish" and "the proper way" are your personal ideas. The fact is they exist.  2.25.212.4 00:50, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * They exist is not enough. You are being disingenuous, and are successfully getting up a lot of people's noses, including my own if I'm honest.  Contrafibularities and frasmotic also "exist", but they are not valid words.  Thames: may exist in English and 河: may exist in Chinese, and "Thames河" may exist in Chinese texts, but that does not necessarily make the combined term valid as Chinese.
 * If you're so keen on dictating the validities of Chinese, please go play at zh:Wiktionary (which, incidentally, has no zh:Thames河 entry) and leave us alone. -- Eiríkr Útlendi | Tala við mig 05:07, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Yes, they exist is good enough. If there were three independent uses in permanently recorded media, we would accept frasmotic and contrafibularities as perfectly cromulent words. Validity is not an appropriate argument given descriptive linguistics and WT:CFI.--Prosfilaes 08:01, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Strong delete. It is not a Chinese word; Chinese words are written in Chinese characters, with occasional Latin letters, but not whole words from other languages, that's just stupid. We don't include English words with random characters, so why does Chinese get subjected to this treatment? What's next? book书? Lest I remind you all that the person who created this entry has had hundreds of other crap entries deleted, both speedily and through RfD and RfV, has evaded a dozen blocks over the past year and trolled discussions in almost every discussion page, so the fact that you didn't just trust the Mandarin editors who have contributed years to this project to deal with this in the first place is pretty mind-boggling. ---> Tooironic 23:16, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

 * I'm getting quite frustrated too with the attitudes, Carl. abc123's crazy ideas seem to have gained supporters. ( If we allow creating such stupidity, I'll move to other interesting projects ) I have suggested to create a policy disallowing proper names in Mandarin if they are not in Chinese characters, regardless whether they are citable. This is the only way we can keep Mandarin entries free of stupidity. I missed how we allowed Alzheimer病 entry to stay as well. This should not be here!

 * "crazy" is just your personal idea. The fact is they exist, such as Gunnersbury公园.  By the way, how do you say Gunnersbury公园 in your Mandarin?  2.25.212.4 00:28, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Do you think you deserve an apology, moron, after what you've done? My Mandarin? Not all words have an equivalent, as simple as that, so Chinese people will just say them in English, it doesn't justify making wrong entries. In my Mandarin Gunnersbury park is / or /. --Anatoli 00:38, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Haha! Gunnersbury Park maybe also written in Hanzi as: 跟那死不利公园, 跟那尸不离公园, 君拿尸背离公园, and etc.  2.25.212.4 01:14, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Good work! That's the idea, foreign names are transliterated into Chinese chracaters and sometimes the result is funny or offensive, that's why care should be taken so that the meaning of characters is good and there is a standard set of characters that are used only in foreign names. Transliteration or sometimes translation into Chinese is a better skill to master and takes effort. The dictionary of foreign proper names in Chinese (世界人名翻译大辞典) just keeps growing. --Anatoli 01:58, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * So, which is the standard? Is your / the standard?  2.25.212.4 02:21, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * 世界人名翻译大辞典 gives "冈纳斯伯里"/"岡納斯伯里" (Gāngnàsībólĭ). So go away, you obviously have some agenda related to Pinyinisation and dream of a world in Pinyin. There's no possibility that Chinese will even remotely consider digraphia in the future, and even if there is that's something for native-language planners to decide, not you. 60.240.101.246 02:36, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Don't depart from the topic.
 * So, do you mean that your "君纳士贝莉公园" is not the standard, but "冈纳斯伯里公园" is the standard? 2.25.212.4 02:51, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * No, I 'm not departing from the topic. The topic is - (an English proper name) + 河, 公园, 市, 岛, whatever, should not be allowed as Mandarin. --Anatoli 03:04, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Those are not mine but yes, the latter is standard. 60.240.101.246 02:54, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * I agree with the last statement. We now have two anons, please identify yourselves. You must be Wjcd. --Anatoli 03:04, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Could you cite that 冈纳斯伯里公园 is the standard? 2.25.212.4 03:15, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Transcription into Chinese characters: "In People's Republic of China, the official guide for the transcription of people's names is the Names of the world's peoples: a comprehensive dictionary of names in Roman-Chinese (世界人名翻译大辞典), compiled by the Proper Names and Translation Service of the Xinhua News Agency." Media in PRC must adhere to the transcriptions given in those dictionaries. This is enough to show 冈纳斯伯里公园 is standard. 60.240.101.246 03:22, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * But there is no results found for "冈纳斯伯里公园" by Google Books search. 2.25.212.4 03:39, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * The two official dictionaries on proper nouns (人名, 地名) combined has more than 800,000 entries. You expect all of them to be attestable in Google Books? 60.240.101.246 03:44, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * We should follow the rules of Wiktionary but not <<世界人名翻译大辞典>>. 2.25.212.4 04:24, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Sure, but there is the distinction of standard orthography and non-standard writing in most languages, which is a fact that Wiktionary must recognise. Criteria for inclusion is clearly heavily English-orientated, it doesn't give enough attention to the orthography rules set out by language regulators of other languages. The outcome would be completely different if the regulators were absent or non-functional. Without Qin Shi Huang abolishing and "non-standardify"ing numerous "variant" characters, the Chinese writing system would probably be a mess now. Without character simplification in PRC in the 1950s, people in PRC would probably still be using the traditional characters and it'll be a much simpler picture for Wiktionary. Especially, without the promotion of Pinyin by PRC government, you'll have no Pinyin to work with! Is that what you really want? 60.240.101.246 04:45, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * The simplification also brought the standardisation, abolishing many variant chracters and setting the rules on how to write foreign names. Foreign names have been written in many variants, no doubt, both before and after standardisation but invariably in Chinese chracters only. We may go wrong in choosing the right characters for rare names or names, for which the transliteration have not been established but like in any language, we may include those alternative spellings if they common, however, Chinese writes foreign names in the native script, not in Roman letters, which is the whole point of this discussion, not which spelling is right for "Gunnersbury Park" or any other proper name, not widely known in China.

 * One of my Chinese teachers has written a book about Australia. It obviously has many place and person's names. They are all written in Chinese characters, the original name given once in brackets to avoid any confusion, eg. Victoria (state) - 维多利亚州 (Wéiduōlìyǎ zhōu) or 维州 (Wéi-zhōu, abbrev.) (Victoria). Further Victoria would not be repeated. You'll find citations of Victoria州. Should we then go and claim that Victoria州 is a Chinese translation of Victoria? --Anatoli 05:09, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * So, "君纳士贝莉公园" is just an irresponsible talk. 2.25.212.4 03:27, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * So what? Words used by native speakers which don't conform to orthography standards are deemed non-standard all the time. English users quite often write supercede for supersede, accessable for accessible; The Standard Comprehensive Korean Dictionary (표준국어대사전) lists thousands of words as "‘...’의 잘못" ("misspelt form of '...'"); In German words like Eßstäbchen effectively become non-standard after the Rechtschreibreform in 1996; Same for French, and standardisation of loanwords in Japanese (外来語の表記) and Korean (외래어 표기법). What are you trying to prove here? That there is variation means the name in original script should be imported unchanged? 60.240.101.246 03:44, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Москва should go too, good pickup, -sche! ( I hope your intention was to demonstrate how stupid it to say that "Thames河" can be Mandarin. ) --Anatoli 23:55, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * My intention was simply to show that this issue isn't specific to Chinese (mixtures of Latin and Cyrillic can be found, too). - -sche (discuss) 06:46, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Alright, I'm persuaded by our Sinophone editors that these mixed-script placenames should not be allowed. (I think that leaves Lmaltier(?) and one of the two IPs as the only editors arguing "keep".) Eirikr in particular found a way of phrasing the distinction I was looking for: a sentence like "He could walk alone on the streets of Москва because of curfews dude." is clearly using "Москва" in English, but it is not using "Москва" as English. A sentence like "首先看到的是Thames河的出海口", without parentheses or 泰晤士河, is using "Thames" to the same extent, but not using it as Chinese. I strongly agree with Anatoli's suggestion in the BP and here that we decide and formalise this with a vote, though. - -sche (discuss) 06:46, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Would it be too ambitious to change that to banning foreign proper nouns as [language], to include your "Москва" example? -- Eiríkr Útlendi | Tala við mig 06:54, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No, we could probably find a wording that rules out all proper nouns / placenames. Let's discuss that general policy issue in the Beer Parlour. - -sche (discuss) 22:40, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * But I'm in a rush and not up to starting such a discussion at the moment, so I post my comments here: Consider In Россия, in Москва, da gibz ein виза in den паспорт. That's a mix of German and Russian. Some of the Russian words are proper nouns / placenames, but some are common nouns. Do we want to exclude them as well, as obvious code-switching or conscious use of Russian words in a German sentence? Then consider Сразу видно, что проект made in Россия.... and rischiano di compromettere l'immagine dello stesso prodotto made in Italy. AFAICT, the only distinction between the two sentences is that one is written in two scripts and the other is written in only one script, but only Liliana argues for deletion of "made in Italy". - -sche (discuss) 22:52, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * People are not excluded from holding an opinion just because a troll does. If I had blocking powers, I would block and revert abc123 on sight. We may not be able to stop every IP he edits from, but we can certainly stop him from walking around as a registered user engaging in discussions, and we can make his changes moot.--Prosfilaes 08:01, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

 * Keep in RFD; move to RFV if desired. Abstain. Weak keep if . the term is attestable in Chinese durably archived sources. The term may be marked as non-standard if fit. What I see in the pro-deletion arguments above is what looks to me like some sort of non-Angloamerican lexicographical prescriptivism, which basically says that whatever is non-standard should be deleted, no matter whether it meets CFI and is attestable. See also CFI, and Wiktionary's having "pr0n" in particular. The condition of attestability is key; I acknowledge the following:  gives only 7 hits;  has only 4,650 hits (most of which do not count toward attestation); Citations:Thames河 presently hosts only one citation. An alternative to keeping is pronounce this an uncommon misspelling, while we keep only common misspellings. --Dan Polansky 10:23, 30 September 2011 (UTC) Later: But these are not really misspellings either: "Thames" is not written as an accidental error but rather with full intention. In any case, even if this is attestable, it is very rare. I switch to "abstain from the subject" right now. --Dan Polansky 10:47, 30 September 2011 (UTC) Even later: actually, if the term is not attestable, it will fail RFV. I am not going to support a deletion in RFD that does not refer to CFI. --Dan Polansky 09:06, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

There is no only one standard for Chinese language. Chinese is not only for Mainland China, but for Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau, Singapore and overseas. Such as President Bush is written as 布什, 布殊 and Bush as well. 2.25.212.4 12:58, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * 布什, 布希 or 布殊 are all standards, no doubt about that. But in which part of the world is the standard Chinese name for Bush "Bush"? 60.240.101.246 13:16, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * There is no only one standard. A dictionary just record the words exist.  2.25.212.4 14:11, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Again, you're being disingenuous (or possibly just very dense). We already have a record of the word Thames: in this instance.  This word is decidedly not Chinese.  And, tellingly, you have not even attempted to fully address the arguments that Thames: is simply an English word used in a Chinese context.  Your best try is simply to insist that "Thames河" is somehow an integral whole, but insistence alone without a solid argument backing it up is wholly inadequate, and does nothing to invalidate the point that "Thames河" is a sum-of-parts phrase consisting of Thames: and 河:.
 * As Stephen notes in the Москва entry below, such use "is called code-switching. Just because a foreign word is inserted unchanged into an English text" (or, in this case, a Chinese text) "doesn’t make it suddenly English" (or Chinese).
 * Please, read the code-switching article and familiarize yourself with this phenomenon. My wife and I are both native English speakers who have lived in Japan, and we sometimes use Japanese terms in otherwise completely English sentences.  This does not make those Japanese terms English -- this is code-switching.  Likewise, Chinese speakers (and writers) who use the term Thames: in otherwise completely Chinese sentences are doing the same thing -- code-switching: using an English term,  as an English term , but in a Chinese context.
 * Thames: is English. 河: is Chinese.  "Thames河" is a mixed-language SOP phrase that employs code-switching, and as such does not belong under either English or Chinese headers -- and, as an SOP phrase, does not belong in Wiktionary at all anyway.  Please try to find some more productive way of spending our collective time. -- Eiríkr Útlendi | Tala við mig 17:25, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * In the UK, we heard people said Thames河 but never Thames in Chinese language, because Thames河 is a whole word. Another example is Hyde公园, the people never said Hyde instead of Hyde公园 as the same reason.  So they are not sum-of-parts but a whole word.  Engirst 19:58, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Engirst, collocation does not necessarily mean that the whole is an integral term. By your logic, I could just as well argue that "the sky:" is an integral term deserving of its own entry.  Please read up on linguistic concepts before trying to make pronouncements about such things.  Your ignorance is severely impeding your ability to communicate effectively.  -- Eiríkr Útlendi | Tala við mig 21:29, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * As Hyde Park is a whole word, could we get the accurate meaning from "Hyde + park" instead of "Hyde Park"? Another example, could we get the accurate meaning from yellow + river instead of Yellow River?  Engirst 21:49, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * could we get the accurate meaning from "Hyde + park" instead of "Hyde Park"? -- Yes. It's a park, and its name is "Hyde".  Just like Grover Park or Memorial Park or Jefferson Park.
 * Another example, could we get the accurate meaning from yellow + river instead of Yellow River? -- Again, yes. It's a river, and its name is "Yellow". Just like Anacostia River or James River, or Four Mile Run or San Francisco Bay or Sugar Mountain or ...
 * Proper nouns of the format [Name] + [Geographical Feature] are exactly that -- a name, plus a geographical feature. They are not "whole words", but rather combinations of words.  Some multi-word phrases are indeed included here in Wiktionary, but that is usually when the phrase has some specific idiomatic meaning, or when an editor has made a subjective decision to include the term and other editors have not objected.  Thames河: faces a lot of objection here.  I agree with those objections.  Your arguments to include Thames河: have so far not made a lot of sense, and are not very compelling.  I say that as a matter of fact, not insult.  If you wish to change our minds about Thames河:, please think of some other angle, some other points to make, to try to convince us.  Repeating the same points that we have already refuted is not going to work.  -- Cheers, Eiríkr Útlendi | Tala við mig 23:24, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * For Thames河, it seems you are right, as we can get the meaning from Thames + 河. But, How about Sugar Mountain?  Could we really get the right meaning from "suger + mountain".  And how about Mexico City, is it sum-of-parts?
 * We are discussing about sum-of-parts but the topic is about to ban mixed scripts, maybe we are apart from this topic. Engirst 00:29, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Eiríkr Útlendi, the name of Hyde Park is "Hyde Park" rather than "Hyde". We have Mexico City, Salt Lake City, New York City, Niagara River, Hudson River, Orange River, Niagara Falls, Victoria Falls, Lake Ontario, Lake Michigan, Mount Everest, etc. San Francisco Bay is to be eventually included. In these geographic names, the term that refers to the class of the geograhic feature is part of the name of the feature. Thus, I cannot fonfirm your statements about geographic names. --Dan Polansky 07:00, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The Great Salt Lake isn't Lake Great Salt and Lake Ontario is not the Ontario Lake; Pikes Peak is not Mount Pikes, and Mount Everest is not Everest Peak. I'm not sure if I think Wiktionary is the right place for all these geographical names, but I don't see this one as fundamentally different.--Prosfilaes 08:01, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

 * I don't think it's as cut-and-dried as that, though. We find instances of "Vancouver+Island" and also "Island+of+Vancouver", or "Lake+Ontario" and "Lake+of+Ontario", or even "Great+Salt+Lake" and "Great+Lake+of+Salt", for example.  Some of these may be tongue-in-cheek uses, but they still suggest that the parts are not inviolably glued together in a specific order.  There are also cases where multiples of the same geographic type might be listed together, with each grammatically going only by its proper-name portion, such as "Hyde+and+Greenwich+Parks".
 * Moreover, there are cases where there is only one major geographic feature with a particular given name, such as the Thames or Everest -- adding the "river" or "mount" portions is optional, and used more as disambiguation. Disambig is a similar theme for Washington vs. Washington, DC / Washington State, or New York vs. New York City / New York State -- the shorter forms are used as often as not, indicating that the "DC" or "state" or "city" portions are used more for disambiguation.  Meanwhile, where disambiguation is not an issue, I've also heard folks in the Niagara Falls area or in the Great Falls area just say "I'm going to the falls" with no mention of "Niagara" or "Great"; or just using the proper name portion for Mount Mitchell ("we spent two nights camping up on Mitchell") or the Susquehanna River ("boating on the Susquehanna").
 * I will certainly grant that certain places are described using specific collocative phrases when using the full address, as it were -- as Prosfilaes notes, saying "Everest Peak" or "Mountain of Pike" could confuse the listener. That said, I still think these can be described as SOP phrases.  -- Eiríkr Útlendi | Tala við mig 18:36, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The searches are unconvincing to me. "Hyde+and+Greenwich+Parks" finds 44 hits on the whole of the world wibe web--that does not seem like the standard usage. "Lake+of+Ontario" (31,100 web hits) finds such hits as "Mississagua Lake is a lake of Ontario", while it also finds hits you were looking for. "Great+Lake+of+Salt" finds mere 2,680 hits on the world wide web. To me, your searches do more disservices than service to your claims. What you demonstrate is that there is a small minority of uses (on the whole web, which is not considered durably archived as a whole) that deviate from the overwhelming common practice as regards these names. --Dan Polansky 07:57, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

 * As for code-switching, when bilingual speakers mix the languages, that's one thing. But when a word from language a starts being used in otherwise grammatical language b sentences, that's how languages gain vocabulary. "I want sushi, and can we turn off the bukkake on the TV while I'm eating?" is not an example of code-switching.--Prosfilaes 08:01, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I wonder how long are you going to waste people's time here. Are you just waiting for people to get sick of you and give up? We have already explained to you but you keep trolling your point of view.

 * It's probably best to enforce the language policy banning English proper nouns (with any suffix like 河, 公园, 州, 市, 山, etc.) to be under Mandarin heading. Otherwise, we will get rubbish like Paris市, New York州, etc. --Anatoli 23:15, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * @ Anatoli -- You'll want to expand that beyond just English. ;)  -- Eiríkr Útlendi | Tala við mig 23:24, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Delete per Anatoli (though this vote is pointless, considering that persistent POV pushing (trolling?) will usually come out on top in the long run). No need to comment on this one, IPs. -- Gauss 16:08, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Delete. --Hekaheka 12:02, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Delete per nomination: no one will look this up. Or, at the very least, no one will need to, as it's SOP: someone who comes across it will be able to easily split it up into its component parts and look them up. —msh210℠ (talk) 23:31, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

 * The vote to ban this kind of entries is set up here. Votes/2011-10/CFI for Mandarin proper nouns - banning entries not in Chinese characters. --Anatoli 01:04, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

deleted -- Liliana • 12:21, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

title: Talk:Thames河


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Talk:Москва

Москва
User:Prosfilaes undid my rfd, although it's not allowed to do so, until it's discussed. Here you go - my reason for rfd: not English, not in Roman script, attestability doesn't make this word English. --Anatoli 02:15, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * The rfd concerns the English section, of course. --Anatoli 02:17, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Not English. This is called code-switching. Just because a foreign word is inserted unchanged into an English text doesn’t make it suddenly English. —Stephen (Talk) 09:26, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, this seems to be humorous code-switching, as the English word was obviously available to people writing these sentences. Lmaltier 20:26, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * See also Moskva. Engirst 21:00, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Before this discussion is going off-topic, yes, delete that English section. -- Gauss 22:43, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Is drive-by tagging permitted? Just tossing a tag on an entry, without actually starting the RfD, isn't doing the job, IMO.--Prosfilaes 07:33, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

 * Should be completed, of course, but people sometimes just toss on a tag. What I do when I find an incomplete one like that is complete the process. But that’s just me. —Stephen (Talk) 07:56, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't think of any CFI reason to delete this. The only non-CFI reason I can think of is "common sense". Abstain. Mglovesfun (talk) 08:36, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Yes, common sense shows that people using it used the foreign term intentionally and humorously, not because they needed it to express their idea. But this reasoning should not lead to delete foreign words used in the language because they are felt as the most appropriate to express something, such as kimono or bouillabaisse, even when they are very rarely used in the language. Lmaltier 16:12, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

 * Double standards, Lmatier? Why a Cyrillic word in English is not OK but Thames in Mandarin is OK? Or you think you have a better understanding of its usage in Mandarin? --Anatoli 01:52, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per SGB unless it can be shown (which I doubt) that the word is used as English and not as Russian (or other) in English. —msh210℠ (talk) 17:50, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

 * Keep Москва if Thames河 is kept, delete Москва if Thames河 is deleted. - -sche (discuss) 00:31, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

 * They're not parallel; Москва is unquestionably a real word, and will still have an entry if the English section is deleted. If Thames河 is a real word, then we need to have an entry under some language header.--Prosfilaes 07:29, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thames河 is SOP, and we will still have both parts even if the sum is deleted. If we decide to keep it despite it being SOP and conscious code-switching, it would be inconsistent not to keep Москва, which is just conscious code-switching but not SOP. The two are parallel; the argument for keeping Thames河 (either where it is, or at Thames) is that it is conscious use of the term in a Chinese sentence; this argument, if valid, also saves Москва (which is consciously used in an English sentence). - -sche (discuss) 07:46, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

 * That's right, just means "river", which is always attached to river names but river names are always written in Chinese characters, not Roman, no matter how little known they are, if they written in Roman or other scripts, they are not in Chinese, very much like Москва is not English, even if it's inside an English sentence. (Moskva is more attestable (not only as river but city), international airports often use Moskva, meaning Moscow.) Thames河 represents the code-switching in the actual the name of the river. There are also examples of "Москва市" on the internet (Moscow city).--Anatoli 08:01, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * If they are written in Roman script, they aren't Chinese? Hong_Kong_Cantonese talks about "至yeah"; what language is that? "yeah" does not mean "trendy" in English, so it can only be Chinese.--Prosfilaes 16:53, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

 * I think the script difference is a bit of a red herring. The key, as Prosfilaes notes, is whether a word brought in from a foreign language is used as the source language, or as the host language (i.e. the language of the majority of the utterance; for "至yeah" this would be Cantonese, for "Москва" in this discussion it would be English, for "Thames河" in this discussion it would be Mandarin).
 * Proper nouns are generally so specific that they only signify their referrant -- the "Thames" in "Thames河" only refers to the same "Thames" that is signified in English. Moreover, as others have noted, "Thames" in Mandarin contexts is almost always spelled out in hanzi.  Both points argue that alphabetically spelled "Thames" in Mandarin contexts is being used as English.
 * That said, if a term takes on a meaning specific to the surrounding host-language context, as in "至yeah", a much stronger argument can be made that it has been adopted into the host language, regardless of the script used. In this case, "yeah" used to signify "trendy" is quite different from usage in English, and points to the adoption of "yeah" into Cantonese, no longer as an English word, but now as a specifically Cantonese term.
 * As a side example, "Washington" in English is generally a proper noun, indicating either the state or the capital of the US. The word was adopted into Navajo in a way that made it into a more general-use term, which now means Washington, DC, the federal government, or a government in general.  In this case, "Wááshindoon:" is used not just as the English place name, but as Navajo, with meanings specific to usage in Navajo contexts.
 * I hope this helps tease apart some of the arguments, vis-à-vis scripts, and use in vs. as a language. Since we deal with the written forms here at WT, I think we sometimes get sidetracked by the visual representations, and perhaps lose sight of some of the other aspects of language.  -- Cheers, Eiríkr Útlendi Tala við mig 17:46, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * "yeah" is Chinese and "OK" as well. Engirst 18:00, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong delete: clearly not an English word, and the quotations only serve to prove this point. BigDom (t • c) 12:51, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

deleted -- Liliana • 12:25, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

RFV discussion: January–March 2020
The Dungan entry added by User:幻光尘. The pronunciation is definitely made up. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 21:30, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The pronunication at might be made up as well. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 21:35, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

 * , could you please close this RFV and the series of Chinese ones below it? Thanks! —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 20:44, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I see that you've removed the RFV tag on the entry. You've removed the pronunciation, which is clearly problematic, but I don't see that this is resolved for the word's existence in Dungan. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 21:00, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I only wanted to verify the pronunciation when I added the RFV, I have no issue with the existence of the word. My has an entry (with no space) "МОСКВАДИ I-III-I - московский." (all Dungan entries are capitalised, tones are in superscript notations).  is a relational particle, so  is an equivalent of Mandarin . The actual (exact) pronunciation is unknown, since the spelling "Москва" doesn't follow Sinitic tone shapes. It may be either respelled and pronounced differently (not as spelled) or pronounced like Kyrgyz or Russian would pronounce the word. The second is more likely since the tone notation above suggests only three tones. (If following User:幻光尘's suggestion it would be four). Dungan is not a well-documented language, so most of the terms come from a couple of sources. The word  does exist, again, it's not clear how exactly it's pronounced. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 02:34, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks! You probably should have used instead. Anyway, RFV resolved. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 04:19, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

In the above closed discussion I meant ".. only three syllables", not "... only three tones". --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 06:50, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

title: Talk:Москва


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Talk:干倔

Don't think the traditional form is correct. Pinyin for 干 probably should be gān (gān: "to offend, to intervene"; gàn: "to do"). 60.240.101.246 01:43, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Wyang (talk) 12:54, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * , I don't think it's right. See Hanyu Da Cidian. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 23:03, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've changed it back and modified the pronunciation. Wyang (talk) 01:30, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

title: Talk:干倔


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Talk:XXXI

XXXI
I oppose having entries for any Roman numerals apart from the individual symbols like I, X, V. This is no more includable than 31. Delete. Mglovesfun (talk) 19:52, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep, for now. This is worth a BP discussion, rather than recommending this one entry for deletion, as there are many similar. That's procedurally; substantively, I think (though I'm willing to be persuaded otherwise) keep any found without context to prove it's a Roman numeral (though I'm not sure what would qualify), as people will look it up. (Note my previously stated similar opinion about such chemical formulas as include no numbers, symbols, or sub- or superscripts, like KCN:.) —msh210℠ (talk) 20:17, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that's a great idea. Numbers fall under a sort of compromise anyway. Do we want 31 also? The pronunciation in French is not obvious since et is sometimes used and sometimes not. Certainly some numbers like 360 we can find reason to include, and some we probably never will, but the rest is just compromise as there's a rather course line that's not worth fighting over. DAVilla 05:43, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

I propose that we keep this one, and perhaps the first few thousand Roman numerals on the basis that they may refer to calendar years; and redirect the rest of those which are not single letter forms or coincidental words in other languages to Appendix:Roman numerals, so users can figure that out for themselves. bd2412 T 15:04, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

kept -- Liliana • 12:38, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

title: Talk:XXXI


text:
Ausverkauf

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) fire sale, clearance sale, liquidation sale

title: Ausverkauf


text:
nepohodlný

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) uncomfortable not comfortable

title: nepohodlný


text:
spieszyć

Etymology
.

Verb

 * 1)  to hurry
 * 2)  to hurry

title: spieszyć


title: User:Ds02006


text:
pumilio

Etymology
From. Sometimes interpreted as formed by analogy with 🇨🇬, from, but problematic. If so, ultimately cognate also with.

Noun

 * 1) dwarf

title: pumilio


text: sucked in

title: sucked in


text: gānjuè

title: gānjuè


text: valence electrons

title: valence electrons


text: practical nurses

title: practical nurses


text:
uprawiać

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to grow, to cultivate
 * 2)  to practice, to practise

title: uprawiać


text: 𣡽

title: 𣡽


text:
𣓏

Definitions

 * 1)  table for holding a goblet

title: 𣓏


text:
TG girl

Etymology
+

Noun

 * 1)  A trans woman, a   or  person.

Synonyms

 * see

title: TG girl


text:
𣛧

Noun

 * 1) branch dipped in water for fish to live in

title: 𣛧


text:
theatraal

Etymology
Borrowed from, from.

Adjective

 * 1) theatrical, dramatic
 * 2) melodramatic, exaggerated

title: theatraal


text:
trans woman

Noun

 * 1) A transgender or transsexual woman; i.e., a woman who was assigned male at birth; i.e., a person who was assigned male at birth but who has a female or primarily-female gender identity.

Usage notes

 * Trans woman is often spelled with a space, with trans as an adjective modifying the noun woman, similar to Asian woman, tall woman, fat woman, etc.   The unspaced spelling transwoman is sometimes used interchangeably, including by a few transgender people. However, it is often associated with views (notably gender-critical feminism) that hold that transgender women are not women,  and thus require a separate word from woman to describe them. For this reason many transgender people find transwoman offensive.

Synonyms

 * , t-girl, TS girl , , ,
 * , t-girl, TS girl , , ,

Translations

 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin: 跨性別女性
 * Danish: transkvinde
 * Dutch:
 * Esperanto: transseksa ino, vir-al-ina transseksulo
 * Finnish:
 * French:
 * Georgian: ტრანს-ქალი, ტრანსქალი, ტრანსსექსუალი ქალი, ტრანსგენდერი ქალი
 * German:, Trans-Frau
 * Icelandic: transkona
 * Indonesian: transpuan
 * Japanese: , トランス女性 , MtF
 * Korean:
 * Maori: wahine irawhiti
 * Mojave: alyha
 * Nepali:
 * Newar: यितामिसा
 * Norwegian:
 * Bokmål: transkvinne
 * Nynorsk: transkvinne
 * Portuguese: mulher trans
 * Romanian: femeie transsexuală
 * Russian:
 * Spanish:
 * Swedish:
 * Tamil:
 * Yurok: wergern / wrgrn

title: trans woman


text: 𣡕

title: 𣡕


text: trans women

title: trans women


text: kindred spirits

title: kindred spirits


text:
Theatine

Etymology
Named after Chieti (Theate), of which one of its founders, John Peter Caraffa, was bishop.

Noun

 * 1)  A member of a Catholic order established in 1524 in Italy, which consisted of monks and later, nuns under the direction of the monks.

Translations

 * Catalan:
 * Dutch: theatijn

Adjective

 * 1) Of or belonging to the Theatines

title: Theatine


text:
кантри

Etymology
Borrowed from, from.

Noun

 * 1)  country music

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1)  country music

title: кантри


text:
defœdate

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  To defile, to pollute.

title: defœdate


text: Theatines

title: Theatines


text:
Citations:TG girl

 * 2006 — Tanya Jane Richards, Tranz-Mania, Lulu.com (2006), ISBN 9781847286536, page 166:
 * Long ago, when she had first realised she had fallen in love with John, there had been another TG girl called Chrissie who was her rival.
 * 2008 — John McFetridge, Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere, ECW Press (2008), ISBN 9781550227550, page 165:
 * The transsexual — the TG girl she called herself — Madeline, knew all about the appendix scar and the other one on the torso, said it was a hysterectomy.
 * 2009 — Tommy Lee "Doc" Boggs, "Cell 13", Best Gay Erotica 2010 (ed. Richard Labonté), Cleis Press (2009), ISBN 9781573443746, page 86:
 * He lightly flirts, I flat-out describe in detail all I want to do to him. He resists, saying he has never been with a man, only a TG girl.

title: Citations:TG girl


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Talk:i电话

i
"i" is not part of the Chinese writing system. Is there seriously no way to write this word without using the Roman letter "i"? 71.66.97.228 03:38, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is any other way to say it in Chinese. If you know a way of saying it without using Roman letters, let me know! Jamesjiao → T ◊ C 03:54, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

(non-seriously) iPhone -> 愛瘋, iPod -> 愛泡, iPad -> 愛拍. 60.240.101.246 04:03, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

zh:WP has it in all roman letters! 71.66.97.228 04:04, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

 * "rs" is for the sorting order, without it gives "needing attention category", with it, it sorts the entries by that letter. I was just looking at the mixed script Mandarin terms that are perhaps worth keeping. This one wasn't created by me. It's not exactly a Chinese term in a puristic sense but a borrowing. Roman prefixes "i-", "e-" or Greek "α-", "β-" are either transliterated using Chinese characters or kept as they are (e.g. e学习). "i电话" is still more Chinese than "iPhone". --Anatoli 04:06, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

There seems to have been no attempt whatsoever to render this term in anything like Chinese characters, at the Chinese-language Wikipedia! 71.66.97.228 04:09, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

@71.66.97.228 zh:WP shows the brand name, which is not necessarily the word in this language. You'll find "iPhone" Roman letters in ja:WP. ru:WP. etc. as well. --Anatoli 04:11, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

The brand name of Coca-Cola in Mandarin is 可口可乐. 71.66.97.228 04:12, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

 * Coca-Cola chose to have this name to become popular with Chinese and the translation is perfect. Apple didn't worry about translations as the "i-" prefix caught on and got popular. --Anatoli 04:17, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

RFV discussion: January–September 2017

 * See Talk:i電話.

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trans man

Noun

 * 1) A transgender or transsexual man, i.e., a man who was assigned female at birth.
 * 2)  A transgender or transsexual woman, i.e., a woman who was assigned male at birth.

Usage notes

 * Regarding the spelling (as trans man vs transman), see the usage notes about.
 * Sense 2 is only used by people who deny that transgender people are the gender they identify as, and is thus considered very offensive.

Translations

 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin: 跨性別男性
 * Czech: transmuž
 * Danish: transmand, transfyr
 * Dutch:
 * Esperanto: transseksa viro, in-al-vira transseksulo, transviro
 * Finnish:
 * French: ,
 * Georgian: ტრანს-კაცი, ტრანსკაცი, ტრანსსექსუალი კაცი, ტრანსგენდერი კაცი
 * German:
 * Greek: τράνσμαν
 * Guaraní: homem trans
 * Icelandic: transmaður
 * Italian: uomo trans
 * Japanese: 体は女 心は男, トランス男性 , FtM
 * Korean: 트랜스맨, 트랜스남성
 * Maori: tāne irawhiti
 * Mojave: hwame
 * Nepali:
 * Newar: यितामिजं
 * Russian:
 * Spanish:
 * Tamil: திருநம்பி
 * Turkish: trans erkek

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trans guy

Noun

 * 1)  A trans man.

Derived terms

 * I'm a trans guy

Translations

 * French:

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text: felafel

title: felafel


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nähdä metsä puilta

Etymology
+ +

Verb

 * 1)  to see the forest for the trees to discern an overall pattern from a mass of detail; to see the big picture, or the broader, more general situation

Usage notes

 * Often used in the negative or in the form, which is synonymous with the negative.

Conjugation

 * For the verb, see.
 * is not inflected.
 * is not inflected.

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Citations:hellmen

 * 1990, Ed Sanders, Tales of Beatnik Glory, page 297:
 * Everybody was listening to King, and no one wanted to be distracted. Sam was angry. He couldn't remain passive when the hellmen of the ovens were cursing those he loved. They had to be confronted. He hoisted his camera upon his shoulder just as King's voice said, "Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, [...]
 * 1997, Surfer, volume 38, issues 1–6: Kelly's Cove is where I go to surf in the City.
 * Let the hellmen down the beach tilt against 100 yards of whitewater trying to paddle out.
 * 2001, John Birmingham, He died with a felafel in his hand, page 23:
 * There's this great pause as the hellmen realise they are locked in with me, the dog and the girl upstairs. There's always a few seconds while these ugly bastards stare at the bars.

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ağaçlık

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) grove
 * 2) treeness

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Citations:hellman

 * 2005, Matt Warshaw, The Encyclopedia of Surfing, page 124:
 * Surfer magazine introduced the break to the surf world at large in early 1992, describing the dark-haired, strong-jawed Clark as a "hellman," and the " unofficial guardian of a true secret spot." As Maverick's popularity skyrocketed over the next two years, Clark remained the break's unofficial spokesman, [...]

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hellman

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  A daredevil.
 * 2) * 2008,, Breath, Picador UK Paperback edition 2008, Ch.11, p.53, 54:
 * I only got to my feet from instinct, but there I suddenly was, upright and alive, skittering in front of all that jawing mess with my little board chattering underfoot. Within three seconds I went from saving myself from certain disaster to believing I was a thirteen-year-old hellman.
 * 1) Evil man; devil.
 * I only got to my feet from instinct, but there I suddenly was, upright and alive, skittering in front of all that jawing mess with my little board chattering underfoot. Within three seconds I went from saving myself from certain disaster to believing I was a thirteen-year-old hellman.
 * 1) Evil man; devil.

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empeachment

Etymology
From.

title: empeachment


text:
ağaççık

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) shrub woody plant

title: ağaççık


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ağaçlamak

Verb

 * 1) to afforest

title: ağaçlamak


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ağaçlandırmak

Verb

 * 1) to afforest

title: ağaçlandırmak


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yayımcı

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) broadcaster

title: yayımcı


text:
betimely

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1)  Early.

title: betimely


text: empeach

title: empeach


text: incroachment

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τυρόπιτα

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) cheese pie Greek pastry made with phyllo and containing cheese, usually feta

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σπανακόπιτα

Noun

 * 1) (usually short for σπανακοτυρόπιτα) spanakotiropita, spinach and cheese pie
 * 2) spanakopita, spinach pie

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betrust

Etymology
From, , equivalent to en.

Verb

 * 1)  To trust; place confidence in (a person).
 * 2)  To entrust.

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text: emprisonment

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Citations:trans guy

 * 2006 — Bobby Noble, "'Trans'? 'Butch'? 'Man'?: On the Political Necessities of Trans In-Coherence, in Self-Organizing Men: Conscious Masculinities in Time and Space (ed. Jay Sennett), Homofactus Press (2006), ISBN 9780978597306, page 171-172:
 * As a trans guy, I'm far more interested in the men in my world than I ever was as a butch.
 * 2006 — Dean Spade, "Undermining Gender Regulation", in Nobody Passes: Rejecting the Rules of Gender and Conformity (ed. Mattilda Bernstein Sycamore), Seal Press (2006), ISBN 9781580051842, page 65:
 * Immediately following that, I was slammed on several trans listservs by people writing about how I must not pass if I'd been arrested and I probably didn't even take T and I was an asshole and not a real trans guy for getting myself and and my friends arrested.
 * 2006 — Michelle Tea, "Transmissions from Camp Trans", in The Outlaw Bible of American Essays (ed. Alan Kaufman), Basic Books (2006), ISBN 9781560259350, page 248:
 * The trannyboy-genderqueer in the bright-orange shirt is so cute, and the trans guy in the plaid shirt becomes my hero for asking if, please, more accessible language can be used.
 * 2008 — Helen Hok-Sze Leung, Undercurrents: Queer Culture and Postcolonial Hong Kong, UBC Press (2008), ISBN 9780774814690, page 106:
 * The talker, whose gender representation appears ambiguous enough to signify (probably) a butch, (maybe) a trans guy, or (possibly) a queer boy, cheerfully mouthes off on a series of issues in speedy Cantonese punctuated by English words:
 * 2009 — Syrus Marcus Ware, "Boldly Going Where Few Men Have Gone Before: One Trans Man's Experience", in Who's Your Daddy?: And Other Writings On Queer Parenting (ed. Rachel Epstein), Sumach Press (2009), ISBN 9781894549783, page 70:
 * Perhaps it would have been weird not to mention the fact that nearly every major news source in the past few weeks had been obsessed with a trans man's pregnancy, and here we both were, helping me, a trans guy, to get pregnant.
 * 2010 — Hazel Edwards & Ryan Kennedy, F2M: The Boy Within, Ford Street Publishing (2010), ISBN 9781876462901, page 118:
 * 'Oh yeah? They say he's pretty cool. Not like the one I had. I'm sure this guy had never met a trans person before, let alone a trans guy.'
 * 2010 — Heather Sykes, Queer Bodies: Sexualities, Genders, & Fatness in Physical Education, Peter Lang (2010), ISBN 9781433111624, page 38:
 * Teiresias spoke about how living with chronic pain and coming out as a trans guy both changed how he relates to his body, by moderating his self-expectation about the physical activity he can manage:
 * 2011 — Chaz Bono, Transition: The Story of How I Became a Man, Penguin (2011), ISBN 9780525952145, page 100:
 * I then talked to another friend of mine — a trans guy in the program, who had also transitioned while in a relationship with the woman he has since married.
 * 2011 — Michael J. Boucher, "Do You Have What It Takes to Be a Real Man?", in Performing American Masculinities: The 21st-Century Man in Popular Culture (ed. Elwood Watson & Marc E. Shaw), Indiana University Press (2011), ISBN 9780253222701, page 215:
 * Theo knows what kind of man he is. He asserts it very clearly when he says, "I'm a big ol' bi trans guy with a pussy," and then highlights the limitations of the dominant gender discourse and the framework through which he is being seen, not his own identity, as the source of his representational dilemma and outsider status when he says, "Bet you wouldn't have figured that out by looking at me."
 * 2011 — Nick Krieger, Nina Here Nor There: My Journey Beyond Gender, Beacon Press (2011), ISBN 9780807000922, page 133:
 * Every trans guy didn't have to be my buddy, but they were all family, and ours was small enough that we had to look out for one another.

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οξύθυμος

Etymology
From the.

Adjective

 * 1) irascible, irritable, crusty

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Talk:筷子

71.66.97.228: Please learn some basics of East Asian linguistics, seriously. 60.240.101.246 06:03, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

 * There is never any need to be rude; life is too short. While you are busy telling others what to learn, why not fix the grammar of that paragraph, which indicates that the other languages are part of Old Chinese, and the Min Nan section which has a redlinked pair of characters that doesn't make any sense. 71.66.97.228 06:05, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

 * I'd rather give up than seeing you making this seemingly short and unmeaningful life seem even more devoid of purpose. 60.240.101.246 06:11, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

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mama bear

Noun

 * 1)  A female bear currently rearing one or more cubs.
 * 2)  A woman, especially a mother, who is extremely protective of a child or children.

Translations

 * Dutch: moederbeer, moederberen, berenmoeder, berenmoeders
 * Finnish: karhuemo

 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Dutch:, , moederkloek, moederkloeken, ,
 * Finnish: hanhiemo
 * French:
 * German: Helikoptermutti
 * Norwegian:
 * Bokmål: curlingmamma
 * Russian:

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助産

Noun

 * 1) midwifery, birth assistance

title: 助産


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Spanish fly

Noun

 * 1)  A supposed aphrodisiac extracted from the beetle ; cantharidin, the active ingredient, a vesicant used as a defence by L. vesicatoria and other blister beetles.
 * 2) * 2010, Carol Turkington, Deborah R. Mitchell, cantharidin, entry in Encyclopaedia of Poisons and Antidotes, 3rd Edition, page 49,
 * Ingestion of Spanish fly causes burning in the throat and sloughing of the upper gastrointestinal tract.
 * 1)  The beetle.
 * 1)  The beetle.

Usage notes
The synonyms and  and associated taxonomic classification are regarded by some as obsolete and incorrect, but are still sometimes used;  is a genus of not closely related but superficially similar beetles of the family. (See also )

Translations

 * Persian: کوژخار, باغوجه,
 * Russian: шпа́нская му́шка
 * Spanish:

 * Basque: errauli
 * French:
 * Greek:
 * Ancient: κανθαρίς
 * Russian: шпа́нская му́шка, шпа́нка я́сеневая
 * Spanish: cantárida

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κανθαρίδα

Noun

 * 1) Spanish fly

title: κανθαρίδα


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lyvelod

Noun

 * 1) livelihood

title: lyvelod


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straitly

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) Strictly.
 * 2)  Closely; intimately.
 * 1)  Closely; intimately.

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Category talk:English leet

From WT:RFM:

Category:no:Leet
I'd expect words related to leetspeak in these topically-named categories as they exist, not the entries n00b and h4x0r. Per other dialect categories, this might be Category:Leet English. --Daniel. 01:47, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Unsure. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:08, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep as-is, I've never heard of "leet English", "English leet" might make sense, which is really what Category:en:Leet would say. Conrad.Irwin 14:23, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No. Category:en:Leet and Category:English leet would serve different purposes, according to the Wiktionary category naming system. --Daniel. 09:24, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * These are words from Leet that have entered somewhat regular usage, correct? If so, shouldn't these be at Category:Leet derivations and Category:no:Leet derivations, with words related to Leet being at Category:Leet and Category:no:Leet? --Yair rand 22:51, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * They are words used in a leet-y way, some of them have become common, but I don't think that stops them being leet. Category:Slang and Category:no:Slang seem (to me at least) be analogous, leet is just a slang afterall. (i.e. I still favour the current categorisation). Conrad.Irwin 23:06, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

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Category talk:French idioms

From WT:RFM

Category:Idioms vs. Category:Vulgarities
I've always wondered why we have but. This is the downside of our dual system (which also has upsides) I think is a slightly better title, but not by a lot. Mglovesfun (talk) 23:54, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * This results from "Idiom" having been used as a POS header, while (vulgar) appears as a context tag. If "Idiom" is no longer used as a French POS, then the category should indeed change to Category:fr:Idioms or something similar. --EncycloPetey 18:51, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Would this then apply to English as well? There's only a couple entries w/ this as the L3 and the consensus seems to be the use either a real PoS or "Phrase". --Bequw → τ 21:31, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

No consensus, striking. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:20, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

RFC discussion: October 2009–August 2017
This needs splitting into its subcategories and. But I'm not entirely sure how. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:52, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Relisted (necroed from here due to this). - -sche (discuss) 02:48, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

 * IT's looking fine for me --WF on Holiday (talk) 06:57, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

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Wiktionary talk:Votes/2011-10/Unified Romanian

Look and feel
I'd like to see what Romanian Cyrillic entries and translations are going to look like. Is it modelled on Serbo-Croatian? --Anatoli 07:25, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It's up to the editors of Romanian to decide specific forms for entries and translations, but here's one possibility for Moldavian Cyrillic and standard Latin script. Entries from old texts in Cyrillic will be similar, but marked as archaic. - -sche (discuss) 08:11, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

 * Thank you! --Anatoli 08:18, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

 * Ric pointed out on my talk page that I had mixed up Moldov(i)an and Transnistrian. The "modern" Cyrillic spellings are Transnistrian, not Moldov(i)an (anymore). How's this for a (not-old) Cyrillic spelling, and this for an old Cyrillic spelling (linked-to from here)? I think all the spellings could have a usage note explaining the different alphabets used. The first parameter could tell the template which spelling the current entry was using, and other parameters might also the other alphabet forms to be specified. - -sche (discuss) 20:18, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

 * I'm listing this on the main votes page so it gets more notice, but not setting a start-date for the vote yet. - -sche (discuss) 20:32, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

 * These varieties of Cyrillic spellings are very confusing and may be even more confusing for users and contributors (is this only valid for version 1,2,3?). I think, however, we will deal with one version most of the time - the one used in the Moldavian SSR and later on still kept by Transnistria (they are the same), if we get Moldovan Romanian contributors at all. The rest of varieties can be explained in the usage notes or using . --Anatoli 23:34, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

 * I have updated the format of these example entries, but I continue to note that the vote leaves it up to our Romanian contributors to decide what format to use. молдовенеск (post-1940s Cyrillic form), moldovenesc (Latin form); нє (pre-1860s Cyrillic), ne (Latin); ши (post-1940s Cyrillic), și (Latin), шѝ (should perhaps be шѝ) (pre-1860s Cyrillic). - -sche (discuss) 22:46, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Why?
Why merge the languages? The vote currently says:
 * will be deleted (when unused) or moved to : a discussion on Requests for deletion/Others will decide which.

But whatever reasoning there is for merging the languages should (I'd think) determine what to do with, so perhaps build that (what to do with ) into this vote. Moreover, why merge mo into ro and not vice versa? —msh210℠ (talk) 23:43, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The latter question is easy to answer: Romanian is clearly the more dominant language of the two, and predominantly used in linguistics, it would make no sense to merge Romanian into Moldovan. -- Liliana • 23:46, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

 * @Msh210, after an edit conflict. It's a bit controversial but Moldovans call their language Romanian, regardless whether they write in Cyrillic or Roman. The merge is for linking (so one can see spelling in both scripts) and for simplicity of maintenance (examples and grammar, sense will be available for users of both scripts), not for destroying (no-one bans the word Moldavian). The rationale is similar to Serbo-Croatian - you can get two languages for the price of one (if you insist on separating the two). --Anatoli 23:53, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Who calls it Moldavian/Moldovan, then? Why have we had them split until now? I'm not disagreeing with the proposal (or at least not yet ), just seeking to understand it. —msh210℠ (talk) 00:09, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, enWP answers that first question, I suppose: "Moldovan (also Moldavian; limba moldovenească, лимба молдовеняскэ) is one of the names of the Romanian language as spoken in the Republic of Moldova, where it is official. The Constitution of Moldova (Title I, Article 13) states that the Moldovan language is the official language of the country." —msh210℠ (talk) 00:11, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * As for the second question, well we adhere to ISO generally, and since it has separate codes for Romanian and Moldovan, we did the same. It's a bit like the Biblical Hebrew/ case, which you may be more familiar with. -- Liliana • 00:18, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

 * (after edit conflict) "Moldavian" can refer to a dialect of Romania spoken in a large area (Transnistria, Moldova, and parts of Romania), to Romanian only when spoken in a smaller area (Transnistria, Moldova) and called Moldavian, or (as Category:Moldavian language does at the moment) to Romanian only when spoken in an even smaller area (Transnistria) and called Moldavian.
 * We might use a template to indicate Moldavian-dialect words or words (such as those taken from Russian) which entered Romanian through Moldavian. Rather than combine the issues of merging the language and keeping or deleting the template (issues about which people might have different views), I took the language that postponed decision on from Mglovesfun's vote on Tagalog.
 * Why merge? The others have answered, but: There are no or almost no grammatical differences, and few lexical differences. The ISO has deprecated the codes mo and mol. The only distinctions between the two have been that Moldova and Romania spelt a few words (in the Latin alphabet) different between 1989 and ~2001, and that the unrecognised government of Transnistria has since the 1940s written words in a Cyrillic alphabet slightly different from the one Romania used before 1860. - -sche (discuss) 00:36, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. So both the current Transnistrian Cyrillic spellings and the old will be ro if this vote passes? —msh210℠ (talk) 00:51, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Right, this vote explicitly guarantees that entries will be allowed (with the header ==Romanian==), no matter which alphabet they are in (Romania's old Cyrillic, Romania and Moldova's Latin, or Transnistria's modern Cyrillic), as long as they meet our general CFI. (That does mean that if someone sends a Transnistrian-Cyrillic word to RFV and we can't find citations of it, we'll delete it, rather than allowing it just because we have the Latin-alphabet spelling.) - -sche (discuss) 01:19, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Also (I tend to forget this myself), the modern Cyrillic alphabet (still used in Transnistria) was used in Moldova between the 1940s and 1989. - -sche (discuss) 02:40, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


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galoş

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) galosh

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pugger

Noun

 * 1)  A worker in a pugmill.

Verb

 * 1)  pucker
 * 2) * 1662, Henry More, An Antidote Against Atheism, Book II, A Collection of Several Philosophical Writings of Dr. Henry More, p. 73:
 * "Nor are we to cavil at the red pugger'd attire of the Turkey "

title: pugger


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avón

Noun

 * 1) hornet

title: avón


text:
pugmill

Noun

 * 1) A machine in which materials are simultaneously ground and mixed with a liquid.

title: pugmill