text: 备说

title: 备说


text: simplona

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: simplona


text: 巩固

title: 巩固


text:
鞏固

Adjective

 * 1)  solid; stable; consolidated; strong

Verb

 * 1) to consolidate; to strengthen; to solidify

Usage notes
This term is often used with abstract concepts like defense, foundation, knowledge, power, etc.

title: 鞏固


text:
infrasónico

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1)  infrasonic

title: infrasónico


text: infrasónica

title: infrasónica


text: cerúlea

title: cerúlea


text: gǒnggù

title: gǒnggù


text:
mahometano

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) Mohammedan, Muslim

Etymology
From. Cognate to 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1) Mohammedan, Muslim

Noun

 * 1) Mohammedan, Muslim

title: mahometano


text:
悔之晚矣

Idiom

 * 1) it is (or will be) too late to regret

title: 悔之晚矣


text:
Mahoma

Etymology
From Romance-language forms of the name.

Proper noun

 * 1)  the prophet who introduced Islam

Etymology
Also spelled in Old Catalan as Mafumet; from, ultimately deriving from.

Proper noun

 * 1) Muhammad Islamic prophet

Proper noun

 * 1) Muhammad Islamic prophet

Etymology
Derived from, from ; see for more.

Proper noun

 * 1) Muhammad Islamic prophet

Etymology
, from, ultimately deriving from.

Proper noun

 * 1) Muhammad Islamic prophet

title: Mahoma


text: mahometana

title: mahometana


text: empowre

title: empowre


text: centeral

title: centeral


text:
Talk:ميخائيل

Why is this a redirect?
Why is this a redirect? It should not be. 71.66.97.228 01:08, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

 * That is an idea that Toushiro had (User:Toushiro). I don’t know what made him think that was misspelled. —Stephen (Talk) 01:57, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Aren't they just two different Arabic pronunciations of the name "Michael"? If so, shouldn't there be two separate entries? 71.66.97.228 01:59, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

 * Yes, just two different pronunciations of Michael, should have separate entries. Toushiro is from Wikipedia, so he has a different idea about redirects, merges, etc. —Stephen (Talk) 02:12, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Done. Please check. 71.66.97.228 02:23, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

مايكل
Shouldn't there be an entry for the spelling مايكل as well? 71.66.97.228 02:23, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

 * Yes, it a modernized form of the name. —Stephen (Talk) 02:27, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

title: Talk:ميخائيل


text:
malvavisco

Noun

 * 1) marshmallow, a species of mallow

Etymology
, from +, from. Cognate with 🇨🇬,,.

Noun

 * 1)  mallow
 * 2)  marshmallow

title: malvavisco


text: malvaviscos

title: malvaviscos


text:
akratic

Adjective

 * 1) Of or relating to akrasia.

Translations

 * Portuguese: acrático

title: akratic


text: relinquisht

title: relinquisht


text:
sodomi

Noun

 * 1) sodomy

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) sodomy

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) sodomy

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1) to destroy

Noun

 * 1) sodomy

title: sodomi


text: زوغ

title: زوغ


text:
sodomizohem

Verb

 * 1) to be sodomized

title: sodomizohem


text:
sodomizoj

Verb

 * 1) to sodomize

title: sodomizoj


text:
𠂤

Glyph origin
– buttocks.

title: 𠂤


text:
Talk:帥

𠂤
Is this character related to 𠂤? 71.66.97.228 01:48, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

title: Talk:帥


text:
Talk:osis

I need the prefix meaning!!!
 * It has a hyphen in the title. See -osis. Ultimateria 02:20, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

title: Talk:osis


text:
Appendix talk:Unicode/CJK Unified Ideographs Extension B/20000

Why no Wiktionary entries?
Why are there no (not even rudimentary) en:Wiktionary entries for most of these? Are these Vietnamese characters or Chinese? 71.66.97.228 01:50, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Most of them are rare characters which is why they haven't been added yet. -- Liliana • 16:38, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


text:
䒩

Glyph origin
.

title: 䒩


text: massacrest

title: massacrest


text:
curruca

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) warbler bird of the genus Sylvia

Derived terms

 * curruca rabilarga
 * - curruca capirotada;
 * - curruca mosquitera;
 * - curruca gavilana;
 * - curruca zarcerilla;
 * - curruca chica;
 * - curruca de Hume;
 * - curruca mirlona;
 * - curruca mirlona oriental;
 * - curruca árabe;
 * - curruca enana;
 * - curruca sahariana;
 * - curruca zarcera;
 * - curruca rabilarga;
 * - curruca sarda;
 * - curruca balear;
 * - curruca del Atlas;
 * - curruca tomillera;
 * - curruca carrasqueña;
 * - curruca subalpina;
 * - curruca cabecinegra;
 * - curruca de Menetries;
 * - curruca de Rüppell;
 * - curruca chipriota;
 * - curruca yemení;
 * - curruca parda;
 * - curruca de Böhm;
 * - curruca sureña;
 * - curruca de Layard.

title: curruca


text: considrest

title: considrest


text: considreth

title: considreth


text:
Appendix talk:Chinese Cangjie/廿

Redlinks
Who is working on making the redlinks into bluelinks? 71.66.97.228 02:10, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

 * Everyone here. --Octahedron80 (talk) 05:53, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

title: Appendix talk:Chinese Cangjie/廿


text: currucas

title: currucas


text: 䒤

title: 䒤


text: 恶意

title: 恶意


text:
惡意

Noun

 * 1) malice; ill will

title: 惡意


text: èyì

title: èyì


text:
power strip

Noun

 * 1) A block of electrical sockets that attaches to the end of a flexible cable and allows multiple electrical devices to be plugged in.

Translations

 * Arabic:
 * Hijazi Arabic: تَوْصيلة
 * Belarusian: падаўжа́льнік
 * Chinese:
 * Cantonese: 拖板, 拖蘇
 * Mandarin:, , , , 線板,
 * Danish:, multistikdåse
 * Dutch:
 * Faroese: stikkdós
 * Finnish:
 * French:
 * Georgian: დამაგრძელებელი
 * German:, Steckdosenleiste
 * Greek: ,
 * Hindi:
 * Hungarian:
 * Icelandic:
 * Irish: clár plocóidí
 * Italian: multipresa
 * Japanese: テーブルタップ
 * Khmer: បន្ទះថាមពល
 * Korean: 멀티탭
 * Norwegian:
 * Bokmål: grenuttak
 * Nynorsk: greinuttak
 * Persian: سیم‌سیار, سه‌راهی
 * Polish: listwa zasilająca, ,
 * Portuguese: multiplicador de tomadas
 * Russian:, разветви́тель пита́ния
 * Spanish:, regleta
 * Swahili:
 * Swedish:, grendosa
 * Telugu:
 * Thai: แถบพลังงาน
 * Ukrainian: подо́вжувач
 * Vietnamese: ổ cắm, ổ cắm điện

title: power strip


text: murciégalo

title: murciégalo


text: murciégalos

title: murciégalos


text:
surge protector

Noun

 * 1) An appliance designed to protect electrical devices from voltage spikes by limiting the voltage supplied to an electric device by either blocking or by shorting to ground any unwanted voltages above a safe threshold.

Translations

 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin: 突波保護器
 * Czech:
 * Danish:
 * Finnish:
 * French: ,
 * German:, Überspannungsableiter
 * Greek:
 * Hungarian: túlfeszültségvédő
 * Malay: pelindung pusuan, pelindung pusu, pengawal arus
 * Portuguese:
 * Russian: устро́йство защи́ты от перенапряже́ний, устро́йство защи́ты от и́мпульсных перенапряже́ний, сетево́й фильтр
 * Swedish:

title: surge protector


text:
extension block

Noun

 * 1) A power strip.

title: extension block


text:
power board

Noun

 * 1) A power strip.

title: power board


text:
㚒

Glyph origin
– objects (represented as two ) under.

Definitions

 * 1)  to conceal stolen goods in one's chest

title: 㚒


text: 接线板

title: 接线板


text:
接線板

Noun

 * 1) power strip; power board

title: 接線板


text:
Talk:䒤

Mandarin reading
zh:Wiktionary has a reading of rě. 71.66.97.228 02:34, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

 * Not listed in the Unihan database or yedict.com. —suzukaze (t・c) 05:21, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:䒤


text:
ballena asesina

Noun

 * 1) orca, killer whale

title: ballena asesina


text: ballenas asesinas

title: ballenas asesinas


text:
㸚

Glyph origin
,.

Definitions

 * 1)  sparse and clear

Definitions

 * 1)  to stop
 * 2)  to connect

title: 㸚


text:
同屋

Noun

 * 1) roommate

Verb

 * 1) to share a room

title: 同屋


text:
Appendix:Lojban/mi'e

Particle

 * 1) ; "I am...", "My name is..."

Usage notes

 * This cmavo begins a "self vocative" phrase which can be ended (if necessary) with the elidable terminator.

title: Appendix:Lojban/mi'e


text:
gjenocid

Noun

 * 1) genocide

title: gjenocid


text:
humildemente

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) humbly

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) humbly in a humble manner

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) humbly

title: humildemente


text: stupifies

title: stupifies


text: stupifying

title: stupifying


text:
gjeolog

Noun

 * 1) geologist

title: gjeolog


text: chancilleres

title: chancilleres


text: Category:sq:Geology

title: Category:sq:Geology


text:
gjeologji

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) geology

title: gjeologji


text: sleeper cells

title: sleeper cells


text:
gjeologjik

Adjective

 * 1) geological

title: gjeologjik


text:
Talk:㸚

爽
Is 爽 related to this character? 71.66.97.228 02:56, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Possible translations
101.100.139.248 12:40, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
 * http://www.zdic.net/z/10/js/3E1A.htm : "Scattered or dispersed and clear, to stop, to detain, a conncetion, lineage"
 * https://zh.wiktionary.org/zh-hant/%E3%B8%9A : "lineage"

title: Talk:㸚


text:
gjeologjikisht

Adverb

 * 1) geologically

title: gjeologjikisht


text: blancuzca

title: blancuzca


text: trust deeds

title: trust deeds


text:
alcanforar

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to camphorate

title: alcanforar


text: equinoccios otoñales

title: equinoccios otoñales


text: equinoccios vernales

title: equinoccios vernales


text:
Appendix:Lojban/lo'e

Particle

 * 1)  the typical
 * lo'e remna xadni cu selpagbu za'u renono lo bongu
 * The ( typical ) human body has more than 600 bones.
 * 1)   ; a typical

Usage notes

 * The elidable terminator for a phrase begun with lo'e is.

title: Appendix:Lojban/lo'e


text:
減収

Noun

 * 1) a decrease in income

Verb

 * 1) to have a decrease in income

title: 減収


text:
説教

Noun

 * 1) sermon, lecture

Verb

 * 1) to preach

title: 説教


text:
千歳飴

Noun

 * 1) stick of red and white candy sold at festivals for children

title: 千歳飴


text: ammetre

title: ammetre


text:
attaindre

Etymology
.

Verb

 * 1) to reach (to be physically touch or access)

title: attaindre


text:
仏頂面

Noun

 * 1) long face, sour look

title: 仏頂面


text:
只中

Noun

 * 1) middle

title: 只中


text:
arginyl

Noun

 * 1)  The univalent radical derived from arginine.

Translations

 * Finnish: arginyyli

title: arginyl


text: 直中

title: 直中


text:
glutaminyl

Noun

 * 1)  The univalent radical derived from glutamine.

Translations

 * Finnish: glutaminyyli

title: glutaminyl


text:
ただなか

Noun

 * 1)  middle

title: ただなか


text: tadanaka

title: tadanaka


text:
leucyl

Noun

 * 1)  The univalent radical derived from leucine.

Translations

 * Finnish: leusyyli

title: leucyl


text:
Talk:瘪三

Other languages
Please move the Shanghai and Guangzhou readings to separate headings. 71.66.97.228 04:13, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

title: Talk:瘪三


text:
valyl

Noun

 * 1)  The univalent radical derived from valine.

Translations

 * Finnish: valyyli

title: valyl


text:
histidyl

Noun

 * 1)  The univalent radical derived from histidine.

Translations

 * Finnish: histidyyli

title: histidyl


text:
tryptophyl

Noun

 * 1)  The univalent radical derived from tryptophan

Translations

 * Finnish: tryptofyyli

title: tryptophyl


text: threonyls

title: threonyls


text: tyrosyls

title: tyrosyls


text: histidyls

title: histidyls


text: valyls

title: valyls


text: leucyls

title: leucyls


text: arginyls

title: arginyls


text: glutaminyls

title: glutaminyls


text: tryptophyls

title: tryptophyls


text:
上辺

Noun

 * 1) on the surface, seeming, outward
 * 2) pretended, superficial
 * 1) pretended, superficial
 * 1) pretended, superficial

Noun

 * 1) upper side

title: 上辺


text: 䢗

title: 䢗


text:
内心

Noun

 * 1) inner thoughts; real intentions
 * 2)  an incenter

title: 内心


text:
flannelmouth

Noun

 * 1)  One who speaks in an unclear, muffled, or sluggish manner.
 * 2)  One who speaks in a glib manner with the intent of deceiving or manipulating others.
 * 1)  One who speaks in a glib manner with the intent of deceiving or manipulating others.
 * 1)  One who speaks in a glib manner with the intent of deceiving or manipulating others.
 * 1)  One who speaks in a glib manner with the intent of deceiving or manipulating others.

title: flannelmouth


text: flannel-mouth

title: flannel-mouth


text: flannel mouth

title: flannel mouth


text:
prospection

Noun

 * 1)  The action of looking forward into the future. Formed by analogy with retrospection.
 * 2)  The act of prospecting for minerals.
 * 3) A search for archaeological remains, usually using modern technology, for example ground penetrating radar.

Noun

 * 1) prospecting

title: prospection


text:
Citations:tempre

Verb

 * 14th Century, John Wycliffe quoted in Select English works of John Wyclif, Volume III., page #69:
 * And þus as beestis upon þe lond drawen in erþe to tempre her body, so fischis in þe flood drawen in watir to tempre hem.

Verb: obsolete form of temper

 * 1538, State Papers, Volume VIII., page #62:
 * And albeit, my good Lord, it is taken for a policie to tempre and moderat woordes and doynges emonges great Princes, to kepe theym in amitie : yet, forasmoche as the Kinges Highnes and also your Lordeship commandeth us trulie to declare, how we take the doynges here ; we cowde doo no lesse, except we shuld have declared our selves untrewe men to God and to the King, but shewe and write as we did and doo ; not dowting but our doyng therin shalbe taken according to our meanyng, whiche is faythefullie and sincerlie to serve the King our mayster, and to be as Highnes shall commande us to doo.
 * 1542, The Complaynt of Scotlande, page #195:
 * A FTER THESE syxe dayes was sent a commission out of Scotlande, with power to conclude a metynge precisely at suche a place, as they knew wel we wolde not, ne coulde not in wynter obserue and kepe, wherwith whan our commissioners were myscontent, the ambassadours of Scotland to relieue that displesure, and to tempre the matier, wherby to winne more tyme, shewed forth their instructions, wherin liberty was gyuen to the ambassadours to excede their commission in the appoyntment of the place, and to consent to any other by our commissioners thought conuenient,

title: Citations:tempre


text:
没頭

Noun

 * 1) total concentration in something, being totally absorbed insomething

Verb

 * 1) immersing oneself in something completely, totally absorbing oneself in something

title: 没頭


text: untempred

title: untempred


text: centredness

title: centredness


text:
五分五分

Noun

 * 1) fifty-fifty

title: 五分五分


text:
Citations:light plane

 * 2008, in the Jounal of Graphics Tools, volume 13, page 20:
 * This is done by backprojecting the occluders in the shadow map onto the light plane and determining the magnitude of [...]

title: Citations:light plane


text: proprely

title: proprely


text: Suisei

title: Suisei


text:
流行る

Verb

 * 1) be popular, be in vogue
 * 2)  to spread, go around, run rampant
 * 1)  to spread, go around, run rampant

title: 流行る


text:
あしのうら

Noun

 * 1)  sole of the foot

title: あしのうら


text:
足の裏

Etymology
From +  +. Contrasts with.

Compare, contrasting with.

Noun

 * 1) sole of the foot

title: 足の裏


text: ashi no ura

title: ashi no ura


text:
Talk:啤

When was this character invented?
When exactly was this character invented? 71.66.97.228 05:26, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

 * ca. 1910. 60.240.101.246 09:56, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I added that. Any reason why a character meaning "despise" was selected, adding "kou" radical? 71.66.97.228 06:17, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

卑
Is 卑 part of this character's etymology? 71.66.97.228 05:30, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. 60.240.101.246 09:56, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

title: Talk:啤


text: ensō

title: ensō


text:
Talk:nonverbal communication

nonverbal communication
If domestic animal wasn't worth keeping as a SoP, this ain't either. --Hekaheka 18:57, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * This refers to specific things such as body language, facial expressions, etc. This is not immediately obvious from its parts. Keep. ---> Tooironic 22:36, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Check non-verbal: and try to figure out what "nonverbal communication means"! --Hekaheka 11:38, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

 * Delete unless someone convincingly shows which forms of non-verbal communication are not part of this term, i.e. proving it isn't merely SoP. Equinox ◑ 02:43, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, because it's a set phrase. How do you guess that this is the phrase to be used for expressing this idea, and that other ways of expressing it would be less understandable, because not standard? This makes it a real word, in the linguistic sense of word. Lmaltier 05:53, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What evidence can you present for your assertion that it is a set phrase? By my reckoning tt is not. It does not meet the non-coordination test. See |or+verbal|gestural|facial+communication%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=7b3e9e0669ddb0a1 this Google Books search, which has many instances of coordination of "nonverbal" while it modifies "communication".
 * The balance of your argument seems to be equivalent to the translation target argument. As I look at all the unmet s, I see the point. I do recall getting chastised for inserting too many trreqs because it overwhelmed the translators with "low priority" requests. My sentiments correspond.
 * If we are to keep such NISoP entries we need some way of informing whatever monolingual English users we may still have that the term being retained for translation has no special sense for decoding. It would be very helpful if this could be made clear in every place in Wiktonary where the MWE appeared without a gloss: Categories, Derived and Related terms, Synonyms, Wikisaurus, as a definiens, when linked or appearing as a gloss for a non-English entry, etc. Would the best way be to have a different font, color, bold, italics, guillemets? DCDuring TALK 10:00, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, oddly enough you guess it from nonverbal + communication. Clever, eh? Mglovesfun (talk) 11:19, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * There are plenty of hits on OneLook. And we do keep SoPs if they are set phrases, e.g. specific phenomena. ---> Tooironic 22:50, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. I don't know. Is sending digital images over the internet to another person a case of non-verbal communication? I don't think so. But it is an instance of communication that is non-verbal in the sense of not based on words or not using words as a means of transmission. The same seems true of using flags or morse code, but that is a bit equivocal, as it is words that are being send. From what I understand, non-verbal communication refers only to facial, postural, gestural, and vocal signs that one person sees and hears when facing and hearing another person. OTOH, this narrowing of meaning can already be part of "non-verbal". On yet another note, the examples given by DCDuring of "nonverbal and verbal communication" do not refute the hypothesis that "nonverbal" collocates exclusively or mainly with "communication". But as a matter of fact "nonverbal" also collocates with "behavior", and "learning", as in "nonverbal learning disorder" and "nonverbal learning disability". --Dan Polansky 08:24, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a field of study, and there is no other name for this field of study, I think, this is the standard name. This is sufficient to make it a set phrase. And, of course, Dan Polansky is right, sending an image or a message over the Internet is not called non-verbal communication. Lmaltier 05:59, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Again, I'm pretty sure that neither of you have read non-verbal. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:10, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Again, I would argue for its inclusion because we do include arguably SoP constructions which also happen to be set phrases and fields of study, e.g. translation studies, women's studies, etc. ---> Tooironic 23:08, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

kept, no consensus -- Liliana • 19:36, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

title: Talk:nonverbal communication


text:
いずれ

Etymology
→ →

Compound of interrogative pronoun and suffix. Long form of.

Pronoun

 * 1)  indeterminate demonstrative pronoun:
 * 2) which...
 * 3) * late 10th century, Taketori Monogatari:
 * "ja"
 * "ja"

- 「いづれも劣り優りおはしまさねば、御心ざしの程は見ゆべし.

 * 1) * late 10th century, Taketori Monogatari:
 * "ja"

- いかゞしけん、疾き風吹きて、世界暗がりて、舟を吹もてありく. いづれの方とも知らず、舟を海中にまかり入ぬべく吹きまはして、浪は舟にうちかけつゝ捲き入れ、神は落ちかゝるやうにひらめく.

 * 1) * late 10th century, Taketori Monogatari:
 * "ja"

- 大臣上達を召して、「いづれの山か天に近き」と問はせ給ふに [...]

 * 1) when...
 * 2) which way...; where...

Adverb

 * 1) someday; one day; before long
 * 2) in the end, eventually
 * 1) in the end, eventually

title: いずれ


text:
Talk:model number

model number
The number of a model. Like account number or credit-card number. SOP; delete. —msh210℠ (talk) 14:46, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Would belong in a phrasebook, IMO, were we to have one. DCDuring TALK 15:18, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Not IMO. A phrasebook is for common phrases one needs when traveling or the like, and not this. (I've, some time ago, specified more specific criteria than that, but don't remember where. Certainly the above should not be construed as criteria.) —msh210℠ (talk) 15:38, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a specific concept of a phrasebook, a common one among print phrasebooks. I thought that anything useful in daily life could be in such a phrasebook. See Beer_parlour_archive/2010/March for some discussion. McGraw-Hill publishes NTC's Dictionary of Everyday American English Expressions: presented according to topic and situation which has some 18 headings, some of which cover situations not part of normal travel, eg, Employment, Family Matters ("Don't sit on the counter", "gotta cram"), and Money Matters ("I'd like to apply for a loan."). DCDuring TALK 22:46, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It might belong in a phrasebook, but not a Wiktionary one. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:24, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Whether it does or does not would depend on criteria which we don't have. DCDuring TALK 16:18, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * keep someone might want to know how we say this in English it is a unique idea, a noun, and therefore should be included.Gtroy 18:33, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Not an argument. Someone might want to know how to say "put the green slipper on my left foot" in English. That doesn't make it includable. Equinox ◑ 18:38, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. The definition given applies only to a specific meaning of both model and number. If a gaggle of attractive men and women hired to wear clothing on a catwalk were to be numbered, the numbers would not be "model numbers"; if, in mathematics, some numbers are designated as model examples of some principle, these are not "model numbers"; if a group of different product models were to be lined up and numbered in order of their conception date or some comparable criteria, the numbers assigned would not necessarily be "model numbers" either. bd2412 T 19:31, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you believe that we should keep every multi-word term containing either model or number? Applying the above would seem to say so. Equinox ◑ 19:35, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

 * I disagree, bd2412; an exemplary number is a "model number". Vide:
 * 1998, The 1998 IEEE International Conference on Fuzzy Systems: proceedings : IEEE World Congress on Computational Intelligence, May 4-May 9, 1998, Anchorage, Alaska, volume 1, page 848:
 * For a real number z that is a model number, we consider a special case Z = [z, z1], [...]
 * 2002, Introduction to Java and software design, page 617:
 * In our system with four digits of precision, 0.3021 is a model number.
 * 1884 February 9, Medical and Surgical Reporter, volume 50, page 178:
 * Harper's Monthly for February is a model number both in text and illustrations; the latter of unusual beauty and delicacy.
 * The last one is a different sense. - -sche (discuss) 21:22, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that "exemplary number" or in some cases "model numeral" or "model digits" could be substituted for "model number" in each of these examples, and that is a key distinction between a set phrase and an SOP phrase. If you call up your washing machine repairman and he asks what kind of machine you need fixed and you tell him that the "exemplary digits" are something, it's a pretty sure thing that he'll think you're saying it wrong. bd2412 T 04:18, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

 * The fact that the parts of a phrase have multiple meanings (and that those parts cannot be replaced by synonyms of their other meanings) does not make the phrase any less the sum of its parts. It's true a repairman wouldn't understand if you said the "exemplary digits" of the part you needed were 54372, even though "model" can mean "example" in addition to "particular make of product", and "number" can mean "a digit" in addition to "a sequence of digits and letters"... but a repairman also wouldn't understand if you told him your "back-of-neck hair's urinary system" needed to be repaired, even though "kitchen" can mean "hair on the back of the neck" in addition to "place where food is prepared", and "plumbing" can mean "urinary system" in addition to "the system of pipes in a building". "Kitchen plumbing" is nonetheless not a set phrase; speaking intelligible English does require not using synonyms of other meanings of what you want to express. To use the sentence Equinox wrote, you can't "throw the inexperienced person, who slides often, onto my liberal unit of measure"... but "put the green slipper on my left foot" is also not a set phrase. (Trivia: one Norse style of riddle is to use synonyms of words' other meanings, though, and say eg that something is "in the back-of-neck hair", expecting the listener to realise that another word for "back-of-neck hair" is "kitchen", and that another word for "kitchen" is "place where food is prepared", and thus that the riddle is saying that the thing is "in the place where food is prepared".) - -sche (discuss) 11:06, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * A repairman wouldn't understand "back-of-neck hair's urinary system" because it is not a phrase in use at all, and almost no one would think that "back-of-neck hair" might mean "kitchen". Unlike "kitchen plumbing", model number is a commonly used phrase for which it is much easier to imagine other things it might mean - a dance performed by a group of attractive women who usually wear clothing to showcase the work of a designer, perhaps. Think of the person who might actually look up "model number" in a dictionary, possibly someone with little knowledge of the English language. Should we help this person, or should we tell them sorry, Wiktionary is only here to provide definitions to people who already know the meaning of a phrase, and don't actually need a dictionary? bd2412 T 16:46, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * And what about the fellow reading a work that includes model number with a different meaning (e.g., one of the works quoted by -sche, above)? He doesn't know what it means and looks it up (arguendo, since you seem to think people will do so). He discovers it means "An identifier of a product given by its manufacturer"? Ah, so we need another sense. Surely we don't need one for every single combination of meanings of model and number found three times in the literature, though! (Or do you think we do need all those senses, bd2412?) We'll combine them into "". So what makes the "identifier of a product" sense special, then, that it deserves a sense line (not "") and the others don't? —msh210℠ (talk) 16:58, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The first two examples occur in sentences already indicating that the use is a reference to a characteristic of the number itself. The third is, in my experience, a pretty unusual usage. bd2412 T 00:12, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

kept, set phrase. We keep those since the meaning may not be clear to non-native speakers of English, see ex. bus route, CD player etc. -- Liliana • 19:32, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

title: Talk:model number


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Talk:sexual contact

sexual contact
rfd-sense: "Sexual touching between two organisms." That seems to be covered by sexual + contact. The other definition 'sexual partner' is unchallenged, though I've never heard of it. Mglovesfun (talk) 20:51, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * keep this is a legal term used widely in the criminal code.Gtroy 21:04, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as SoP--Dmol 21:09, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, regardless of its legal nature. It's just too sop-obvious. Jamesjiao → T ◊ C 23:12, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete if its definition is correct, per nom. —msh210℠ (talk) 23:47, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You can't ignore it because you don't like it. This word is in merriam webster and the english oxford dictionary, you need to give up this obsession with wiktionary technicalities.Gtroy 21:46, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Which Merriam Webster is that? I don't find it in MWOnline. DCDuring TALK 22:34, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

 * I would say delete both, the second sense is just a fancy way to say booty call. A contact you have, who you get together with for sense 1. —  [Ric Laurent] — 23:09, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Why is it used so much in journalism?like in these articles?

 * 1) * 1983, Kenneth H. Mayer, Hank Pizer, The AIDS Fact Book, page 37:
 * Taking our example a bit further, let us imagine that individual number 4 had one other sexual contact within the last month; and individual number 3 had three contacts.
 * 1) * 1997, Aileen Schumacher, Engineering for Murder, page 69
 * His list of sexual contacts was quite long, and included ladies from some of the ritzier establishments of ill repute across the border.Gtroy 09:36, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

 * A sum of parts that is used frequently is still a sum of parts. I don't see what part of that is so hard to comprehend. For the most part, we don't do sums of parts here. Some things aren't as clearly sums of parts as others, but this very clearly is. —  [Ric Laurent] — 11:39, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * @Gtroy, msh210 is saying to delete it, how is that 'ignoring' it? --Mglovesfun (talk) 22:06, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I mean that I am providing evidence to the contrary of his rationale and that s/he is ignoring that, cleared up?Gtroy 09:03, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

 * msh's rationale is that sexual contact is a sum of parts. You have provided no evidence to the contrary of that. Perhaps he's ignoring your citations, because they prove his point. Perhaps he's ignoring you saying he needs to get over his "obsession with wiktionary technicalities", because he's smart enough to ignore your whining. Cleared up. —  [Ric Laurent] — 19:57, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

IT still is like hella totally a word bruhGtroy 03:18, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

 * It looks suspiciously like two words (hint: there's a space between them), and I think this is the point that's being made here.   D b f  i  r  s   00:29, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

deleted entire page. Sense 2 as well is sum of parts, as per contact sense 4. -- Liliana • 16:46, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

title: Talk:sexual contact


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Talk:Louvre

Louvre
Doesn't seem to be quite as defensible as Golden Gate Bridge. -- Liliana • 02:28, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep this single-word name of specific entity that can host an English pronunciation. --Dan Polansky 07:53, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't see the difference in defensibility? Fugyoo 10:33, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Keep --Anatoli 12:39, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep I would imagine one-word names are more defensible than three-word names. --Makaokalani 15:17, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * God, there would be so many specific objects that would be included based on your criteria. Think of stuff like Amalienborg, Alamo, and whatnot. Do you want to have all these in a dictionary? Pronunciation isn't a criteria, by the way, because Wikipedia can have pronunciations too. -- Liliana • 19:57, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * There is bound to be some overlap between Wiktionary and Wikipedia because the things Wikipedia describes are named using words - piano, excommunication, light bulb, etc. Wikipedia could include pronunciations and etymologies for all of these, and still not lift them out of the category of things appropriate for a dictionary of "all words in all languages". bd2412 T 20:24, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I am generally anti-"specific named things" in Wiktionary but when they are old, enormously famous, cultural institutions (rather than films, toys, video games, actors, etc.) I don't particularly object, as long as the entry focuses on the lexicography rather than the encyclopaedic. Abstain, I suppose. Equinox ◑ 20:32, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep This is undoubtedly a word. And this word has a sense, a pronunication, an etymplogy, etc. What it means is irrelevant. Lmaltier 20:49, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

bah, I'm going to move this to RFV once this discussion is done -- Liliana • 22:44, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You are going to seek verification of the word Louvre? I would say this is a case of clearly widespread use. bd2412 T 00:51, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * In fact, let me save you the time:
 * 2011, Tara Kingston, Claimed by the Spymaster, p. 68:
 * God above, this man was as chiseled as the statues she'd spied in the Louvre.
 * 2010, Don McCauley, Power Trip: A Guide to Weightlifting for Coaches, Athletes and Parents, p. 130:
 * I don't care if your split, power or squat position looks like it should be in the Louvre, you won't jerk a thing.
 * 2006, Ted Nelson Lundrigan, Bob White, A Bird in the Hand, p. 85:
 * I preferred the Dutch apple pie, and my waitress for those few years had legs that belonged in the Louvre.
 * 1985, Phil Elderkin, "Don Mattingly: A.L. Batting Champion, A Born Hitter", Baseball Digest, Vol. 44, No. 2, February 1985, p. 49:
 * IF YOU ARE a young Joe DiMaggio or Mickey Mantle with a swing that belongs in the Louvre, somebody might get the idea you could win a batting title, even if it was only your second year with the New York Yankees.
 * 1960, Thomas Felix Staton, How to Instruct Successfully: Modern Teaching Methods in Adult Education, p. 172:
 * For purposes of illustrating a lecture on calisthenics, a stick figure is a better picture of a squatting man than something from the Louvre.
 * 1889, Alexandre Dumas, Dame de Monsoreau: Volume 1, p. 319:
 * They are cries which show that every one has his own place, and should stay in it, — M. de Guise in the streets, and you in the Louvre. Go to the Louvre, Sire; go to the Louvre.
 * Cheers! bd2412 T 01:32, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Keep - "All words in all languages" is pretty easy to understand. "Golden Gate Bridge" ,however, is not a word and could be deleted. SemperBlotto 07:10, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Striking as kept. Cheers! bd2412 T 16:56, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

title: Talk:Louvre


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Talk:extra life

extra life
"(video games) An additional life acquired during the process of the game." Ain't this just a life that is extra? Some console games (e.g. Streets of Rage II, Rainbow Islands) allow you to choose how many continues you get, which are sets of lives; it seems to me that these are "extra lives", even though they aren't picked up in-game. Am I mistaken? Equinox◑ 02:27, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * From the perspective of someone who never played such games much, this seems well within the idea of a metaphorical 'life' that is 'extra'. I would hardly even expect that there be a specific sense at life:. Delete, subject to someone's persuasive argument otherwise. DCDuring TALK 02:45, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * And there is even a video games sense at life:. DCDuring TALK 02:48, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I play video games. From my perspective, "extra life" really is "extra"+"life". (that is, the entry is perfectly understandable as a sum of parts) Delete. --Daniel 05:28, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I'd go as far ahead as to consider this a set phrase. additional life, while attestable on b.g.c, is very very rare, so it seems to me that you can't really replace the word extra with a synonym here. -- Liliana • 14:02, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * But clearly one can say "one more life", "n more lives", "another life", or if this is supposed to be uncountable, "more life". It isn't hard to find such instances. DCDuring TALK 14:55, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * "Bonus life" is, or was, rather common. Equinox ◑ 14:57, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

 * Move to a glossary of video game terminology. If someone offered to sell you an "extra life" you would (or should) immediately know that they were speaking of something that exists only in video games. bd2412 T 01:44, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I've actually always considered this an idiom. Having said that, we do have the senses at extra and life. So I'll abstain. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:03, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I do think there is some idiomacity to the phrase. If I host a dinner party for ten people, and it turns out I have made enough food for twelve, then I will end up with extra food, which is a bad thing because some will go wasted. "Extra" is often taken to mean in excess of what is needed, which can be neutral or negative. An extra life in a video game is almost always a good thing (it really is sort of a bonus). Another way to look at it is this: suppose you start the video game with four "lives", and you play all the way to the end (for those games that have a definite end scenario), but you only need two lives to do it. At the end of the game, you will have two lives that you never used, so they turned out to be "extra" lives in the sense of the extra food at my dinner party. However, these would not be "extra lives" in the sense of additional lives that you can earn during the course of gameplay, and may use up by the end of the game. bd2412 T 20:26, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The positive or negative valence of extra: is strictly context dependent, AFAICT. "I always like to have extra food for unexpected guests" is an example." "Extra" before you might need it: good; "extra" when you actually need it: excellent; "extra" when you no longer need it: neutral; "extra" that causes regret or gets in the way or has to be disposed of: bad. DCDuring TALK 21:09, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * That is true. Nevertheless, if you start with four lives and lose two while gaining none, you do not finish the game with two "extra lives", but merely with two lives that you didn't need to use. It is only if you acquire additional lives during the course of play that they would be called "extra lives", which makes the term potentially idiomatic. Absent such a definition, if someone told you they finished a game with three extra lives, you would need to ask whether they meant that they had three lives that they didn't need to use at all, or whether they needed to obtain three additional lives during gameplay to finish the game. bd2412 T 01:34, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Lots of things have a use-it-or-lose-it character, including other items in the games world. Do all the collocations with "extra" have to be entered here to present this valuable cultural knowledge? DCDuring TALK 04:30, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Do they otherwise meet the CFI in terms of attestability? Do they have a preponderant meaning, such that their use in an ambiguous sentence would immediately indicate to the video game player (but not to the person unfamiliar with that field) that their is only one correct sense intended, and that sense may differ from what would be expected? bd2412 T 14:56, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know, but my general experience tells me that ambiguity resolution is a normal natural process. Can this be resolved empirically? Does it need to be resolved theologically or politically? DCDuring TALK 16:18, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It's easy to see it that way for those who have this implicit definition embedded in their experience. Suppose you were a foreigner or even just an elderly person out of the loop of video games, and you read about someone having an extra life. How would you resolve that ambiguity, short of looking to a dictionary? bd2412 T 15:11, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Extra life is not "embedded" in my experience. The possibility of plural lives is, so I didn't have to look at [[life]] to get the idea of "extra life", at least once I knew a context. I noticed that one could come back to life in some games. That cats proverbially have nine lives and that there are Phoenixes and divinities that can be said to have more than one life primed me for the idea, I suppose, but I had never heard or read "extra life" before. The novelty, it seems to me, is in the idea that, in some contexts, one can have more than one life to give, pace Nathan Hale. DCDuring TALK 16:13, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You have just described exactly how it is embedded in your experience. If you had never played a video game where it was possible to come back to life (and there are many people in the world who never have), then the term would be confusing to you. Let's help those people when they come to the dictionary to see what the term means. bd2412 T 18:58, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * If the would-be entry were for extra persnickle, I might look up persnickle if I couldn't live without someone else's inference. The question is what life might mean that allowed extra to be used with it, as the more common senses are not good fits with "extra". DCDuring TALK 20:19, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That's why my proposal is to move the term to a glossary on the media to which the term applies, and not keep it as an entry in mainspace. That way, when someone without knowledge of video games sees or hears of an "extra life" with the term being used ironically or out of context, they'll know right away that it is a reference to video games. bd2412 T 21:31, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * As an avid gamer, this means what it looks like. An extra life. Yes I agree that this collocation is probably used more than others, but I can safely replace it with one more life or another life to mean the same concept. Strong delete. Jamesjiao → T ◊ C 22:05, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * My point above is that not everyone is an avid gamer. To someone who is not, the meaning of the term is not obvious. bd2412 T 15:28, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * But that point has already been addressed: there is a context-specific meaning of "life" that can be looked up and makes the meaning of "extra life" NISoP. If one followed the line of reasoning you seem to be applying we would need to have entries for every syntactic compound that had a context-specific meaning for one of its components (or at least its head). DCDuring TALK 15:45, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, again, I am not advocating that the entry should be kept, but that it should be relegated to a glossary or an appendix of gaming terms. <i style="background:lightgreen">bd2412</i> T 16:09, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I see. Glossaries (in appendixes) appropriately have somewhat lower standards. They would seem to be a worthwhile thing to translate into other languages as a unit. DCDuring TALK 16:33, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

deleted -- Liliana • 19:26, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

used in a fundraiser for children's hospitals
Gamers are hosting livestreams called Extra Life to raise money for children struggling with cancer and other serious diseases. https://www.extra-life.org/  Apparently been going since 2008 but I only just heard about it now. — Soap — 20:52, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:extra life


text:
Talk:何れ

Needs kanji box
Needs kanji box. 71.66.97.228 05:50, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it's added. You can "be bold," as they say, and add it yourself using , with a pipe character separating each kanji. Cheers Haplology 06:08, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

title: Talk:何れ


text: μοσκοκάρυδο

title: μοσκοκάρυδο


text:
gevreklik

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) friability

title: gevreklik


text:
yiyici

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) eater

title: yiyici


text:
μοσχοκαρυδιά

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) nutmeg tree

title: μοσχοκαρυδιά


text: μοσκοκαρυδιά

title: μοσκοκαρυδιά


text: disordrely

title: disordrely


text:
プルートー

Proper noun

 * 1)  Pluto

title: プルートー


text:
disordre

Verb

 * 1) * 1543, Will̃m Paget quoted in State Papers, page #335:
 * I serve for nothing els but for your pourposes, and therfore I beseche Your Majestie moost humbly to disordre no one poynt of your determinations for my sake, betyde on me whatsoever shall.
 * I serve for nothing els but for your pourposes, and therfore I beseche Your Majestie moost humbly to disordre no one poynt of your determinations for my sake, betyde on me whatsoever shall.

title: disordre


text: μουσικέ

title: μουσικέ


text: sinistrely

title: sinistrely


text:
User talk:Widsith/archive10

Template talk:ang-conj
Hi Widsith,

Dunno if you're already watching this. . . your input would be welcome. Since I rarely use our Old English entries, and never contribute to them substantively, I'd like to hear from people who do.

Thanks in advance, —Ruakh TALK 18:47, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

 * Thanks man, I saw the question but to be honest I'm assuming it was just a silly mistake on his part, as I think to most people it's pretty obvious it covers several rows. But anyway, the information in the template is sound – and you are much more qualified than me to decide the most effective or pleasing way for these things to be displayed! < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ 18:53, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Your Beowulf page
I'm happy to find that page, as I'm much more interested in Beowulf in the Ænglisc than in translation. Heaney's was interesting to get my hands on, but, as a hard-core language geek, I'd much prefer to read the source and get a sense for the original cadence and meanings. Your page is most welcome in this regard. :)

I'm curious about one thing though -- you note that all eths appear as thorns. Why is that? I see both upper- and lowercase eths in the Others list below the editing textbox. Is this a technical limitation of some sort, or due to how words are collated here in Wiktionary? I'm also curious about the presentation -- why no breaks at the end of lines? Was this to conserve space? Note that this isn't intended as criticism at all, simply questions I have. :) -- Cheers, Eiríkr Útlendi | Tala við mig 19:59, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

 * Yes, the list was generated purely as a way of checking which words were still redlinks at Wiktionary, although I haven't really kept up with it recently. So I didn't bother about line breaks or punctuation, as it's not actually supposed to be for reading. The eths/thorns thing is because originally all OE words here used thorns instead of eths, in common with most printed OE dictionaries (and as specified at WT:AANG). In practice now some pages with eths have appeared, as entries. But if you're interested in reading Beowulf in OE, there are lots of good editions available. The Mitchell & Robinson one is particularly good. You can also get one with the Heaney translation on facing pages, which is quite nice. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ 20:05, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

 * Cheers, thanks! I'll look for Mitchell & Robinson; I've actually already got the facing-page Heaney edition you mention.  For instant-lookup though, it's hard to beat HTML.  :)  -- Cheers, Eiríkr Útlendi | Tala við mig 20:10, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

fr-3
This has been bothering me for some time. Surely this should be fr-4? I'd even considered changing it myself, but decided this would be unethical. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:51, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * We had a staff dinner last week. I had an epic French fail which I am still embarrassed about. Meh, I'm keeping an eye on it. I have certain tests to meet before I think of myself as "near-native" level...hopefully once I've been here for another year or so. Thanks though! < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ 11:06, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sheesh, if you only consider yourself an fr-3, I definitely need to downgrade some of my own Babels! —Ruakh TALK 18:24, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

 * That was indeed my point. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:28, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I changed it. Weirdly, this puts pressure on me to live up to it in real life now! < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ 07:20, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Requests for verification
Your input would be welcome, if you have any. —Ruakh TALK 18:23, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

sexual abuse
If it's ok with you, I'd prefer to archive the 2010 debate and start a 'new' deletion debate for 2011. The reason being it's so far up the page, it will be hard to find. This would involve me undoing your latest edit to the 2010 debate. Mglovesfun (talk) 14:13, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Of course, fine by me. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ 14:24, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Old French conjugations
A quick one, anything to add to any of these? They're only my user page precisely because I don't know all the conjugated forms. Some of them are pure guesses based on the modern spellings. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:59, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, let me have a look later when I have more books. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ 14:55, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

nihilomalmatic
Hi. I just deleted this ... again. I think we need to watch it. -- A LGRIF  talk 16:52, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

endeavour
Algrif nominated this for WOTD. It's a great choice IMO except that its etymology is unclear. (What language is endeveren? Does our word come from that or from Middle English endevour? Etc.) Would you mind having a look at it, please, seeing whether you can clean it up? —msh210℠ (talk) 15:50, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * OK I've given it a going-over... < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 16:38, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks much. —msh210℠ (talk) 16:40, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

cornetcy
Whence did you get ? And why do you keep adding undefined: to that etymology? — If you want to make it a pseudo-sentence, use "Formed as undefined: + undefined:." or the like. — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 18:04, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

 * I got the pronunciation from the OED, and it's perfectly normal to use "From" and "." with etymologies of that kind. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 20:36, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Sorry, I meant to ask whence you got (which is the pronunciation you asserted)? (The OED does indeed give .) Whether it's "perfectly normal to use 'From' and '.' with etymologies of that kind" is irrelevant — it's wrongheaded, because words with such etymologies simply are the sum of those components. I often write etymologies like "Formed as undefined: + undefined:, by analogy with undefined:.", which doesn't make the same mistake — do you care to adopt the same practice? — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 10:05, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

 * No I don't want to adopt that practice, and there's nothing incorrect about using from: -- I just don't follow your reasoning there. Because something is formally equal to X and Y does not make it incorrect to say it's from X and Y. As for the pronunciation, I updated it to follow modern UK speech. (The OED are systematically doing that as well, in fact -- if you have a subscription to the online edition you can see for yourself by checking any entries from the new edition, eg normalcy, obstinacy, recalcitrancy.) < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 11:12, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

 * The OED has also adopted . How do you know that it shouldn't be *? — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 15:33, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

 * I can't see that character on my work computer, but I'm guessing it's the barred-i. Well, it should be that, by the OED's system -- the vowel there is certainly in free variation between schwa and, which is what they use it for. But I haven't been using it because so far, there seems fairly little community support for it, whereas terminal /-i/ is well established. You can use the barred-i if you want though, I think I have seen it on a few other pages here. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 15:57, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Done. I agree that there isn't much community support, but neither is there community opposition; there is, however, much community ignorance of the barred-I. I'm fine with your updating the RP pronunciations I add, just as long as they're completely and consistently done. What do you think, BTW, of maintaining both RP and contemporary UK pronunciations? IMO, there is much interest in RP as a historic standard of pronunciation. — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 18:56, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Omitting that
I've noticed that you omit "that" in expressions where I would use it: today, in "Now I've written it down ...". Where is that omission (relative to my way) prevalent? I know it is not just your idiolect as I've heard it before. DCDuring TALK 15:39, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

I tried a Google News search. The newspapers that have the collocation "now I think about it" as a parenthetical are mostly not US, AFAICT. DCDuring TALK 04:02, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it's common in speech on both sides of the Atlantic...not so common in writing. I think partly this may be to do with my job (I'm a TV reporter) where I spend a lot of time writing scripts which have to sound natural when I say them out loud, so consequently I am used to instinctively writing in quite a colloquial speechy way, compared to some people, perhaps, who associate writing with a very separate way of expressing themselves. But I'm just speculating. I can see lots of relevant hits here for instance, or here for that matter, which don't seem to be confined to any particular region. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 15:51, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The Greeks had a word for it: apokoinou. DCDuring TALK 12:21, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Votes/pl-2011-01/Final sections of the CFI
Just wondering whether you might want to add a note similar (or opposite) to for legislative intent purposes. —msh210℠ (talk) 06:41, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Er...dude I have no idea what you're saying. That diff isn't even by you, and seems to have nothing to do with the vote. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 09:20, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It looks like he pressed <tt>v</tt> rather than <tt>Ctrl+V</tt> when trying to paste in the diff number. The edit he means is this one. —Ruakh TALK 13:43, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed! —msh210℠ (talk) 16:40, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

demesne
Do you think you could contribute your expertise at [[talk:demesne]] or the etymology section of [[demesne]], please? —msh210℠ (talk) 17:47, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

neonism
Thank you very much. :) I'm quite the fish out of water here! :D --Moonriddengirl 17:16, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

DVX
Looking at commons:File:Bayeux Tapestry WillelmDux.jpg, the Latin here for duke is DVX. It comes back to my question about vp, we want to have a Latin entry for DVX or dvx in stead of dux. Also, I've come across trouer for Old French trover as well. BTW I'm not claiming to have all the answers, especially for ancient languages like these two. --Mglovesfun (talk) 17:50, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah I think it's up to experts in particular languages to decide how best that language should be treated. In OE also, we usually use W on Wiktionary instead of Ƿ even though the manuscripts use wynns. That is out of expediency and practicality when dealing with a foreign language. But English isn't a foreign language and personally I reckon we need to properly represent these older spellings for English entries. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 09:25, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Here, more specifically, is my point: when this was written (well, sewn) did the author want to write DUX, but to her, the capital U looks like V. So she wrote DUX but when we interpret it, it becomes DVX as to us, 900 years later, that shape is a capital vee. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:23, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Er...sort of. This situation is complicated by the fact that U doesn't exist in Classical Latin, they only had V. And they only used upper case. I'm not sure that's the most helpful way to deal with Latin on Wiktionary though. But each language will have slightly different concerns and criteria. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 13:33, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * My point is really that what we see on the page looks visually similar to DVX to someone from our century, but it's really DUX where the normal way to write a 'U' is with two straight lines which meet at a point. I'm not really bothered about what language it is. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:26, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

escut
Am trying to add pronunciations to Old French words Old French does help, but just says which sounds exist, not which sounds go with which spellings. For example, I'd imagine is  but I'm not sure, and I don't know how to check. I supposed it's mainly theoretical, anyway. --Mglovesfun (talk) 15:19, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Unrelated: you have a lot of unneeded things in your signature all you need is. If you have some ifs and switches that aren't used. --Mglovesfun (talk) 15:24, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty certain the last vowel is [y] – [u] was usually <ou>, just like in modern French. The first vowel may be [e] but I can never remember the rule, I'll have to work it out from the etymology when I get home. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 16:17, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Update: yes, it's /esˈkyt/. The prosthetic vowel before word-initial S in Latin seems actually to have started in the late Latin period, as an /i-/, i.e. a short I which (almost) always became /e/ in Old French and ended up written as <é> in modern French. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 16:25, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

finesse
Most English dictionaries and OnlineEtyDictionary show it as being used in Middle English. I may be a matter of dating the Middle English/EME divide. I had restored the ME template, but would defer to your judgment. DCDuring TALK 16:20, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Template:ang-decl-noun
Just so you know, this template now calls on to make links. ought to explain what this means, if it doesn't, please let me know and I will try and explain it better. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:41, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Middle French
I take your point about Middle French, really, there is no difference whatsoever between archaic Modern French and Middle French. AFAICT every Middle French entry could have a French section; apart from words/terms which are only attested once or twice. If you were to propose a merge Middle French into French, renaming to  I'd support it. Note that this is the situation with Ancient Hebrew, has been renamed to. So there is a precedent. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:23, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Usage in a well-known work and Old English
Hello, if I may ask for your advice: what would be the immediate impact of removing "Usage in a well-known work" on the inclusion of words from Old English? Like, can it be that many Old English words attested only in Beowulf would be removed if the resulting CFI would be applied strictly? Would the concern with these words be a good reason for turning from support to oppose in the currently running vote? Right now, I am slightly perplexed. Do you think it wise to rely on future addition to CFI of a bullet that is going to include poorly-attested languages by requiring only one citation for them? Thank you for any input, and sorry for many questions. --Dan Polansky 14:49, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The answers are "yes", basically. I take the rules for ancient languages to be different from modern ones, though that isn't specified in the vote. It probably should be. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 15:21, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I am seriously pondering to switch away from support to abstain or oppose. The vote is unlikely to pass anyway, the way it looks now, but it seems I should not even want it to pass. The written rules of CFI do not make any exception for ancient languages. I'll sleep on it. --Dan Polansky 15:47, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

waiver
Just looking over my list of Anglo-Norman words used in etymologies; this etymology seems a bit confused; it seems to say that weyver comes from waiver. That seems a bit odd. Also for the verb, should the second 'definition' be a definition, it just says 'see waive'. Is there a verb waive, if so, it needs. Anyway, good news is is attested as a noun on the verb (see the Anglo-Norman On-Line Hub). --Mglovesfun (talk) 10:02, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

explanation
¶ Please do not insert meaningless content on my talk page; or if you have a disagreement directed at someone, do not leave it on my discussion page. --Pilcrow 08:48, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually that was a joke. Apparently, not a very good one. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 08:55, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * ¶ I thought I was rather certain jokes are not allowed here. --Pilcrow 08:58, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * What's orange and sounds like a parrot? A carrot. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 09:00, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * So administrators can insert content for their amusement, but regular users cannot (even if it is obviously un‐intentional). Okay then. --Pilcrow 09:03, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I really don't know what you're talking about. Talk pages are obviously very different from mainspace pages. It's up to you what's appropriate for your own talk page, and if you want to delete something I wrote there (which you do), then you can (and you have). < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 09:06, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

¶ I am pretty sure I can not “delete” any one’s comments since readers can still click the ‘History’ tab and see it any time they want. Regardless, I do not want you (or anybody else) constantly bringing up my revision as an excuse not to bother talking to me. --Pilcrow 09:15, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I have no clue what we're discussing anymore. What revision? When did I bring anything up? < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 09:18, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I suppose this revision is impossible to see? Did I just hallucinate it? ¶ I meant bringing it up in future discussion. --Pilcrow 09:24, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You didn't hallucinate it, although it's possible you're hallucinating something. So basically, you don't want me to mention that revision in future? OK, I'm fine with that. To be honest, I didn't have big plans to dine out on the episode or anything. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 09:31, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

User:Girlnotboy
I think this is Wonderfool or someone else that was banned before. They seem to be creating entries in random languages, at a speed that seems unusual for a new user... —CodeCat 13:18, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Could well be. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 13:20, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Iamiyouareyou
Hey, You did not even ask what I was trying to do befor you warned me. Pulse you did not even take the time to check my username out on all Wikimedia sites. That's not very fair now is it. Iamiyouareyou 14:50, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

 * No, I see exactly what you are trying to do: you're trying to move the content from cooperative: to coöperative:. This is a bad idea which you are managing to do badly. In cases like this, Wiktionary lemmatises the most commonly used forms of words, which in this instance is cooperative:. Furthermore you went about it by moving pages around, in the process creating nonsense entries like coöperative1: which other editors have to fix. Stop blundering around and spend some time working out how we do things here before you start breaking stuff. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 15:03, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Quick one
Thank you for welcoming me. Of course I would be happier as well if I could provide correct formatting. Since you were offering it and I cannot find it in the given links, could you tell me or provide me a link how to create declension tables?Dakhart 06:56, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * There's no easy way to do that, I'm afraid! Different editors have created different ones in the languages they're familiar with. If you want to start, a good way would be to copy the template used for a similar language (German, say) and adapt it. See for example Category:German declension-table templates. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 07:01, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Requests for deletion/Others
Your input would be welcome.

If we get rid of this, then [[Tamazight]] will be changed to refer 🇨🇬 rather than to 🇨🇬.

Thanks, —Ruakh TALK

15:15, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Physistical
I am sorry, I fail to understand the removal of this page? I have received from the "Oxford University Press" "Oxford Dictionaries" and "Scottish Qualifications Authority" today that "physistical" is a word, please consider this and recheck with your sources. It is unlikely to appear in dictionaries for a month or so. I here by request the re submission of the word "Physistical" to Wiktionary immediately. Thank you. Sir Peter A. Bert. January 12th 2012, 19:11 GMT.

less
In this revision you removed the determiner section. Do you intend to make (or indeed have you already made) similar changes to other Determiner PoS sections? I was originally quite reluctant to accept the Determiner PoS for Wiktionary but became convinced by its adoption by Longmans and Cambridge. (I don't know about others.) I think we have consensus on accepting the heading. Even if there are true adjective uses, I am not at all sure that the uses in the citations you added would be considered as adjectival. DCDuring TALK 18:51, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No that was just laziness. I don't have a problem with Determiner sections, but in this case some uses are definitely adjectival so I changed it. Alternatively I guess you could split them up into two sections, I certainly have no objection. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 19:14, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Glad I asked. I'm only gradually getting comfortable with the Determiner PoS, letting Brett handle them when he is available. I stumbled across this because of less and less and more and more, which seem to be determiner-like sometimes. DCDuring TALK 19:47, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

soccman
Hi. Do you think this entry is sensible and accurate? Equinox ◑ 00:59, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

note
I had not realized that there were two etymologies for note and, possibly, for some of the derived terms. To me it seems as if some of the modern senses might reflect a merger of the two earlier sets of senses. Moreover, of note seems not to fit not at all well with the Latin etymology, though our definition implies that derivation. Thoughts? DCDuring TALK 16:54, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

beer o'clock
Thanks for adding those quotations. I'd added three initially, what was wrong with those? I thought definitions were good to include, does Wiktionary prefer uses? Is there a guideline? Fences and windows 19:57, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we prefer uses to mentions...plus the formatting was a bit off. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 05:16, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * "We prefer to use mentions". Where is this documented? Fences and windows 18:46, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Try here: CFI. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 19:18, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Some rhymes
What do you think of this edit? Are they all good? I can see that some might be, but some (if they are) are beyond my experience with English. If you think some of these need to be removed, then the "Rhymes" link on the entry for the corresponding word will also need to be removed. If they don't need to be removed, how can we tag the words added, since they're a bit weird and certainly don't rhyme as a group in most of the US? --EncycloPetey 17:24, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Bit weird. Given that the pronunciation specified is and that it has to be stressed on the final syllable – no, they're not all good, but on the other hand some of the words that were already on the list are not right either, like gas: for instance, which (unlike glass: etc.) only ever has /-a-/ in the UK. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 17:35, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

toder
Could you help with this (newly created) entry? I'm not sure whether to call it "English" or "Middle English", among other issues. --EncycloPetey 03:28, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it's OK, it's used either side of the divide, like so many spellings... I might just change it from "alternative" to "obsolete" form though. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 09:00, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

tenebrous
I'm curious about the change you made to breaks in the pronunciation. This is at odds with what I find in major pronouncing dictionaries. --EncycloPetey 01:32, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, really? Well you can change it back if you like. It's been quite some time since I studied phonology, but I was always told to load up the onset of a syllable as much as possible. I believe this is one of those areas, though, where different authorities say different things. says "Most commonly, a single consonant between vowels is grouped with the following syllable (i.e. /CV.CV/)", although it goes on to say, "In English, it has been disputed whether certain consonants occurring between vowels (especially following a stressed syllable and preceding an unstressed syllable) should be grouped with the preceding or following syllable. For example, a word such as better is sometimes analyzed as /ˈbɛt.ər/ and sometimes /ˈbɛ.tər/. [which is what I prefer!] Some linguists have in fact asserted that such words are "ambisyllabic", with the consonant shared between the preceding and following syllables."  Anyway, I have no strong feelings so go ahead. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 08:03, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I've no strong certainty myself. In Latin and most Romance languages, it's pretty easy to say that a consonant preceding a vowel strats the new syllable, but English doesn't always seem to work that way.  The Cambridge Pronouncing Dictionary (the one I look to most often) follows an internally consistent system that seems to partly depend on the preceding vowel for the division of syllables.  The divide certain consonant sounds differently when preceeded by  versus, for example.  I haven't tried to codify their choices, but I notice these consistencies when I come across them. --EncycloPetey 03:09, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Many sources say that English simply doesn't have clear syllable boundaries. Other sources try different approaches to syllabification. Widsith's approach is a pretty common one, even for English. (For example, one book has “We can conclude our discussion by stating that word-internal consonants end up in onset position, unless they would form illegal syllable-initial combinations (such as *rp or *nt)”, though it bears noting that by "word" it means "phonological word", not necessarily what you or I would think of as a "word", so for example, in backlash that book puts a word-break, and therefore the syllable-break, between back and lash.) Other sources start at the same place, but add more constraints beyond just forbidding "illegal syllable-initial combinations"; for example,  is a checked vowel, meaning that it normally has to be followed by a consonant (notwithstanding interjections like, , , I think we can agree that <deh>  would not be a normal English word; nor <deh·ible>, <deh·ity>, à la , ), so some sources treat that following consonant as being part of the same syllable. The problem is that there are lots of such constraints, and some of them are contradictory; a rule that  be followed by a consonant in the same syllable can come at odds with a rule that  be realizable as  at the end of a syllable: how to divide ? It does not surprise me at all that Cambridge Pronouncing Dictionary has come up with an internally consistent system, but we may have difficulty inferring the entirety of it from scattered examples. —Ruakh TALK 14:17, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

kruptadia
I'm sorry that this has taken such an extraordinarily long time to get back to you about. There is an adjective κρυπτάδιος, which means secret, clandestine. κρυπτάδια would be the neuter plural, which would mean "secret things" or some such, which is where the English word is coming from, I suspect. However, as you note, the same word (κρυπτάδια) is also the adverb form of κρυπτάδιος, but I can't really see how it would spawn an English word with that meaning. Again, sorry about the delay. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 00:36, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

rose
What would the IPA be here? Looking at Old French, I'd go for, though I suppose is also possible. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:46, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes I think it must be . < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 08:45, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

obsolete
done. thanks for the tip. is there a place where all the are catalogued on one page?Givemeachance 06:21, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

you weren't kidding. maybe i should put together one for the most common ones.Givemeachance 06:25, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

lyrick
There’re examples of modern usage of this form here. I would altre it back but I do not want to risk getting chastised once more. --Pilcrow 19:12, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I think not. Most of those seem to be in foreign languages, or written by people whose first language is not English. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 06:25, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I do not understand how a term can be obsolete even if it is still used by ‘foreign’ English speakers, but I do not want to argue with you. --Pilcrow 06:32, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, because they make mistakes. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 06:35, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

lol
I almost beat you to the punch but you edit conflicted me, perhaps if the article is that new you could wait a sec or two?Acdcrocks 07:03, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Votes/2011-10/Categories of names 3
Because you voted in Votes/2011-07/Categories of names, I'm informing you of this new vote. —msh210℠ (talk) 01:55, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

would
As the chief rewriter of the would page, would you be able to add a definition that matches this quote? --Rockpilot 21:17, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * This is the ‘anterior future’ – sense 1.4. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 08:40, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * This is the ‘anterior future’ – sense 1.4. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 08:40, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

You are the winner
Hi Widsith. You are the winner of WT:FUN and as a result I am endebted to be your slave for an hour. What would you like me to do for you, master? Your wishes are my command. --Rockpilot 09:42, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * This is good news, since I am pretty bad at doing repetetive, laborious tasks on Wiktionary. I'll have a think about it and get back to you over the weekend. Thanks! < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 09:58, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Had any thoughts? --Simplus2 15:35, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

theory
Hi Ƿidsiþ--

I'm not particularly surprised that the very long explanatory quote I had put in for the science entry got quickly reverted. However, while acknowledging the page's usage notes, which is certainly helpful, do you not think that an explicit distinction between "theory" as a term of art in scientific fields, as opposed to its usual understanding in a more colloquial sense, is worth making there? This is one of the most misunderstood and misinterpreted terms in the language - and not only with respect to evolution. Milkunderwood 20:14, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi. Not really. The distinction is already explicit -- we have two very separate senses covering the two uses. The difference is also reiterated in the Usage notes. I wanted to salvage something from your edit since it was obviously a serious attempt to add value, but in the end it was too complicated and I just reverted. The problems were mainly: you said something like, "In scientific contexts..." whereas Wiktionary policy is to do this more concisely with a context tag at the start of the line (which you removed); the citation was way too long (if you pick out a specific short sentence, you could re-add that, or alternatively add the whole thing to the Citations:theory page); and finally your tweaks to the definition, by using italics, seemed to add nothing except a vague air of condescension. I'm also not convinced that term of art: is well-known enough to be useful. I think your best bet, if you still feel Wiktionary should make more of the distinction (which I actually don't), is to work on improving the Usage Notes. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ</> 09:10, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your thoughtful response. I'll mull this over some, see if I can do any better. Milkunderwood 10:16, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * :-) OK, I'm confused - I thought I was responding here on your page until I realized I was on my own page. So you just copied it over? Or does Wiktionary work differently from Wikipedia in this respect? (I have noticed several other differences between them - e.g., here "My watchlist" never shows all saved edits.) Milkunderwood 10:24, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

I guess my first thought is that term of art is a useful phrase for people to be aware of in making important distinctions between different meanings, and after all, it is blue-linked for easy access. I was trying to somehow make it more explicit that the word theory is so widely misunderstood and misinterpreted in any scientific context. A large part of the problem is that scientists themselves use the word loosely at least as frequently as in its strict "term of art" sense. Milkunderwood 10:35, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Very frankly, the reason I had posted that extremely long discussion as a quote was that about a year ago or so, I saw that a very confused person had written to Scientific American to the effect that since evolution was so widely accepted among scientists, its status should be "upgraded" from being a "theory" to being a "law". The suggestion itself didn't surprise me at all, but SA printing it without comment blew me away. Then shortly afterwards, I found in New Scientist the exact same quote, attributing it to SA, again without comment - but in this case, New Scientist likes to poke deadpan fun at silly stuff.

Now if you may recall, a few years ago E O Wilson suggested that there may actually be a "law of evolution", which raised something of an uproar at the time. But what he meant had nothing to do with the confusion expressed in the assertion printed in Scientific American or New Scientist. Instead, Wilson was suggesting that evolution may be an inevitable and invariable, observable, characteristic of all life forms generally. This perfectly fits the definition of law as a term of art. He was certainly not suggesting that the theory of evolution was "proved beyond doubt" (which theory of evolution? - there are many, differing in important modes of action), and should be "upgraded" to the status of being a "law". Besides which, Wilson is well aware of Popper's principle of falsifiability.

Anyway, it was all this that I had been trying to clarify. Confusion in scientific terminology runs amok, and my feeling had been that Wiktionary might be a useful venue for trying to straighten some of this out. These terms - theory, and law, as well as hypothesis, do certainly have their loose and colloquial meanings and uses, but it seems important to distinguish these from what is denoted in their stricter senses. I sure don't know how to do it though, myself. Milkunderwood 11:35, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Nouns and proper nouns
Hey, I've started a discussion in the Beer Parlor. I'd really like to know the community views on this. Any additional input would be great. Thanks. – Krun 13:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

title: User talk:Widsith/archive10


text:
へこむ

Verb

 * 1)  dent; sink in; be defeated

title: へこむ


text: hekomu

title: hekomu


text:
grotsky

Adjective

 * 1)  Worthless; unappealing; deserving contempt; highly disagreeable.

title: grotsky


text:
へさき

Noun

 * 1)  bow of a ship
 * 2)  tip of a spear or sword

title: へさき


text: hesaki

title: hesaki


text: americanization

title: americanization


text: americanizations

title: americanizations


text: Gündoğan

title: Gündoğan


text: İlkay

title: İlkay


text: attempre

title: attempre


text:
Volte

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1)  volt, volte
 * 2)  volt, volte
 * 3)  maneuver, move
 * 4)  magical cut

title: Volte


text: Category:de:Fencing

title: Category:de:Fencing


text: parametre

title: parametre


text:
لگد

Etymology
From, a suffixed form of. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬; 🇨🇬; 🇨🇬, the latter probably from an unattested Sanskrit word for "to kick".

Noun

 * 1) kick
 * 2) recoil
 * 1) recoil

title: لگد


text:
pornocopia

Noun

 * 1) An abundance of pornography, sexual imagery, or nudity.

title: pornocopia


text: pornocopias

title: pornocopias


text: porno-copia

title: porno-copia


text: porno-copias

title: porno-copias


text: karsinoitaessa

title: karsinoitaessa


text:
измерить

Verb

 * 1) to measure

title: измерить


text:
уль

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) water
 * 2) river

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) water

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) water

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) water

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) water

title: уль


text: Category:Ket nouns

title: Category:Ket nouns


text: Category:Ket language

title: Category:Ket language


text: 针对

title: 针对


text:
針對

Verb

 * 1) to be targeted to; to be aimed at

Preposition

 * 1) in response to

title: 針對


text: accultures

title: accultures


text: acculturing

title: acculturing


text: accultured

title: accultured


text: 转变

title: 转变


text:
轉變

Verb

 * 1)  to change; to transform; to shift

Synonyms

title: 轉變


text:
Wiktionary:Votes/sy-2011-10/User:Eirikr for admin

User:Eirikr for admin

 * Nomination: I hereby nominate as a local English Wiktionary Administrator. User:Eirikr has been a very active and a thorough editor with good skills. He has also been taking an active part in the community of Wiktionarians. Wiktionary will gain a lot by getting another good administrator. Anatoli 07:14, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Vote starts: 18:57, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Vote ends: 24:00, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Acceptance: Assuming I mark acceptance here: [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Accepted (albeit a bit late). -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 18:57, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Languages: en, ja-4, de-3, es-2, cmn-1, ko-1, haw-1, mi-1, nv-1
 * Timezone: US Pacific Time: UTC-7 until 6 November 2011, then UTC-8 until some time in March 2012.

Support

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ 07:03, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. We'll no longer have to unprotect templates for him to fix them! He'll be able to monitor changes to and additions of Japanese entries more easily once he can see the ! marks, too. - -sche (discuss) 01:49, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * FYI, the red ! marks are now blue "M" marks. - -sche (discuss) 19:18, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support —Stephen (Talk) 14:43, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:01, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Jamesjiao → T ◊ C 21:19, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. DAVilla 07:12, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 5) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] 賛成 -- Liliana • 19:42, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 6) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support — provided that  turns on Wiktionary e-mails. (Special:EmailUser/Eirikr currently reports that "This user has chosen not to receive e-mail from other users. ") —Ruakh TALK 21:26, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 7) * Thanks for the heads-up, Ruakh. Anatoli had mentioned something about that, but I didn't understand which setting he'd meant, and I do get auto emails when someone updates my Talk page.  I thought I'd turned that option on ages ago; I just turned it on now, whatever the case.  :)  -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 21:29, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 8) ** Thanks! —Ruakh TALK 21:34, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 9) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support --Anatoli 22:17, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 10) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Dan Polansky 11:54, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 11) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support --Vahag 22:17, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 12) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support --Yair rand 11:44, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Decision
Passed unanimously. --Anatoli 04:58, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This vote was closed a little prematurely, but it appears that it was going to pass easily anyway. If nobody objects, I will go ahead and anoint him. —Stephen (Talk) 01:40, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

 * I must have been blind, sorry! Yes, please. Could you also make User:Haplology administrator as well, please? I already added both to WT:A. --Anatoli 01:43, 27 October 2011 (UTC)


text:
لاتین

Proper noun

 * 1) Latin language

title: لاتین


text:
offenseless

Adjective

 * 1) Unoffending; innocent; inoffensive; harmless.

title: offenseless


text:
balustre

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1)  baluster

Etymology
, from, from. See 🇨🇬 for more.

Noun

 * 1) baluster 1
 * 2) balustrade 1

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) baluster

Noun

 * 1)  banister

title: balustre


text:
密切

Adjective

 * 1) close; intimate
 * 2) careful; intent
 * 1) careful; intent

Synonyms

Verb

 * 1) to make closer, more intimate or familiar; to foster closer ties

title: 密切


text: mìqiè

title: mìqiè


text: 强大

title: 强大


text: qiángdà

title: qiángdà


text:
erlaben

Etymology
From, , equivalent to.

Verb

 * 1) invigorate, refresh

Etymology
From, from. Probably an older borrowing from a time when the underlying phoneme had not yet been monophthongised in Luxembourgish. Alternatively, the vowel may have been adapted to the related native noun (compare 🇨🇬).

Verb

 * 1) to allow, to permit

title: erlaben


text:
Talk:Marie-Therese

Marie-Therese
SOP. Given name can be combined in many different ways, we would have millions of entries if they all existed. --The Evil IP address 20:37, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Agree. --Hekaheka 02:23, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. I disagree. This is a very, very common hyphenated name, much more so than, to pick some random possible collocations, Sophia-Elizabeth (for which a handful of CFI-worthy hits exist) or Ellen-Joanna (for which I can find no CFI-worthy hits). Despite the hyphenation, it is an individual given name, not a first name and middle name. bd2412 T 02:43, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, per BD2412. There's not an endless list of these, as they are often based on someone famous. John-Paul is another common one, based on the two previous popes.  Certainly let's limit it to those where there is evidence of usage, and not run off dozens of possible computations. But I noticed this is listed as German, so we are back to the perennial argument about the language used for names.  --Dmol 05:34, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Yes, we would have millions of entries if they all existed. But all combinations are not used, of course. Only those in use in the language should be included. For French, Marie-Thérèse should be kept, too Lmaltier 06:50, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, Keep. We also have Jean-Paul: and several other common ones. SemperBlotto 07:30, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't really see how a given name can be SoP, they don't really mean anything. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:27, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * In the same way that one's first and middle names taken together would be SoP, presumably. Equinox ◑ 11:14, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * That, however, would be two different words. Isn't a hyphenated combination first name technically a single word? bd2412 T 00:18, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Well, yes, all hyphenated names are single words. But I wouldn't make entries for them all. Their use is highly concentrated in certain favorites, often copied from a model, in this case French and Austrian queens. One criterion I'd use is whether their frequency graph is independent from those of the component parts. For example, the latest frequency peak of Marie-Thérèse in France was in 1946, compared to Thérèse in 1930. The use of hyphens is different in every language too. Finns use them rather freely in names. On the other hand, common Spanish names such as José María and María José deserve an entry. Double-barreled surnames are SoP in my opinion if they are mechanically created from Her surname-His surname or Daddy's surname-Mommy's surname. We don't have entries for hyphenated surnames as far as I know.--Makaokalani 15:01, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Just want to point out that I don't, as some people seem to think, have a particular fetish for things being "single words": it's just that there's a good argument that (even competent) language learners wouldn't understand where the split was, sans hyphen. e.g. nonoolitic doesn't immediately leap out as non- plus something; the same goes for many un- words. The presence of a hyphen, however, shows the split. Equinox ◑ 20:36, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep, it's a word in a language, WT:CFI line 1. --Mglovesfun (talk) 15:08, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * This "CFI line 1" autokeep seems inconsistent with your rejection of brand names etc., which are also words in English, just perhaps not suitable "dictionary words". Equinox ◑ 20:36, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes it's inconsistent... but so is CFI, so I don't feel too bad about being inconsistent. --Mglovesfun (talk) 20:49, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * How is that argument fundamentally different from (which I hope you'd reject) "Well Wiktionary already has vandalism and errors, so adding more is a good idea"? Equinox ◑ 20:54, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * How is it similar? I don't see it. --Mglovesfun (talk) 20:59, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Wiktionary already has plenty of words (including words with hyphens and even spaces in them). Adding more is a good idea. bd2412 T 21:10, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * That is as foolish a statement as the other one if you are saying that "adding more" logically follows from "some exist". I think adding more is good, but not because there are already some! Equinox ◑ 21:15, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I should have put a smiley face after the statement to indicate that I was being facetious. Cheers! bd2412 T 16:47, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * To be honest I'd rather edit some entries than go for one of my long, soaring, philosophical answers. --Mglovesfun (talk) 21:24, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

kept -- Liliana • 18:04, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

title: Talk:Marie-Therese


text:
nidderträchteg

Adjective

 * 1) wicked

title: nidderträchteg


text:
Talk:Amtrak

RFD
"The name and service mark under which w:National Railroad Passenger Corporation does business." Because the entry doesn't even pretend to give the word a meaning and only names it as a brand. DCDuring created this recently, I suppose to make trouble or test the limits of the brand arguments. Equinox ◑ 21:03, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Trouble? People were making statements that WT:BRAND simply did not cover branded services and used [[Google]] as evidence. Who is causing the trouble? I didn't notice very many objecting to those statements, so I assume that there is tacit support for that position. DCDuring TALK 21:32, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't support it. —msh210℠ (talk) 16:26, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Looks like a single word, can host pronunciation, and has etymology; thus, the entry is capable of hosting lexicographical information that cannot be gained by combining lexicographical information of other entries. From what I can tell, CFI does not have any special treatment for service marks. --Dan Polansky 15:21, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * This belongs at RFV, not here. But it's probably easily attested (not that I've tried). Keep and move to RFV if it's not easily attested. —msh210℠ (talk) 16:26, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * meet's wikt brand pretty obviously yo.Gtroy 02:32, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

moved to RFV -- Liliana • 20:34, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * This has has no please to seek in RFV: The term is easily attestable: . --Dan Polansky 20:52, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

RFV 1
From RfD. Needs to meet company name criteria. -- Liliana • 20:34, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * "Amtrak" is attestable and this is RFV: I propose this nomination is withdrawn. Try RFD for "company name criteria", which is an unvoted-on and contested piece of CFI. --Dan Polansky 20:51, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Obviously verifiable as a word:, and "all words in all languages" takes precedence over anything else. SemperBlotto 07:10, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Not so. It's a proper name. Not a word in a language.

 * With your reasoning, we'd have to include any utterance that's been recorded three times, wouldn't we? —Michael Z. 2011-12-14 18:00 z

I was about to solicit input on whether the quotations in the entry met whatever standards are relevant, or not, but I notice that there is only one quotation in the entry. Before we can discuss whether or not the term passes RFV by having standard-meeting quotations, it needs to have three quotations, full stop. Will someone please add ones that appear to meet COMPANY/BRAND or whatever standard we apply? Then we can discuss whether or not they indeed meet that standard, and pass or fail the term. (An alternative is to delete this as uncited.) - -sche (discuss) 20:00, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

 * I've added two more citations that appear to provide the minimal three required. BenjaminBarrett12 (talk) 08:32, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

RFV 2

 * Previous discussion: Talk:Amtrak.

I've archived the old discussion, which had petered out anyway, to the talk page: I'm starting a new listing because our rules have now been updated (by the BRAND votes), and I think the new rules apply to this entry. In any case, this should be cited to the relevant standards (BRAND? COMPANY), or deleted as is long overdue. - -sche (discuss) 04:19, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Kept. I don't care whether this and the other terms stay or go, and no-one has commented proposing that they don't meet CFI, so they're staying. - -sche (discuss) 21:46, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

title: Talk:Amtrak


text:
Nidderträchtegkeet

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) wickedness

title: Nidderträchtegkeet


text: Decembre

title: Decembre