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Eli Cohen

Eliyahu Ben-Shaul Cohen (אֱלִיָּהוּ בֵּן שָׁאוּל כֹּהֵן, إيلياهو بن شاؤول كوهين; 6 December 1924 – 18 May 1965) was an Egyptian-born Israeli spy. He is best known for his espionage work in Syria between 1961 and 1965, where he developed close relationships with the Syrian political and military hierarchy.

Though he was initially successful, his activity became increasingly risky and he expressed a sense of impending danger to Mossad in 1964. A year later, Cohen's true allegiance was uncovered by Syrian intelligence and he was convicted by the Syrian government under pre-war martial law. After being sentenced to death, he was publicly hanged in Damascus in May 1965. The incident contributed to the sharp escalation of hostilities between Israel and Syria just before the 1967 Arab–Israeli War.

He is highly regarded in Israel, with several streets and roads being named after him.

Early life
Cohen was born in Alexandria, Egypt, to a family of Mizrahi Jews. His father had immigrated from Aleppo in the Ottoman Empire in 1914. Deeply committed to Judaism, Cohen had planned in his youth to become a rabbi with guidance from Moise Ventura (1893–1978), Alexandria's Chief Rabbi, but the city's yeshiva soon closed down, prompting him to pursue higher education at Cairo University. A staunch Zionist, he helped Israel evacuate the Egyptian Jewish community by assisting Israeli intelligence throughout Egypt. He was also fluent in five languages: Arabic, Hebrew, English, French, and Spanish.

Onset of the Arab–Israeli conflict
At the onset of the Jewish exodus from the Muslim world, which began concurrently with the Arab–Israeli conflict, Cohen's parents and three brothers immigrated to Israel in 1949, but he stayed behind to complete his degree and also to help consolidate Zionist efforts among Egypt's Jewish community. Prior to the 1952 Egyptian Revolution, he was arrested and interrogated by Egyptian authorities, who were becoming suspicious of his activities.

Nonetheless, he continued to engage in various Israeli covert efforts in Egypt throughout the 1950s, although the Egyptian government could never prove his involvement in Operation Goshen, by which the Israeli government smuggled a significant number of Egypt's Jews out of the country and resettled them in Israel amidst spiking rates of government-backed Egyptian antisemitism. Cohen is also said to have aided Egyptian Jews who were taking part in what would become known as the Lavon Affair, by which Israel sought to sabotage Egypt's relationship with the Western world. Two members of the spy ring were caught and sentenced to death, but the Egyptian government was unable to find a link between Cohen and the perpetrators.

Emigration from Egypt
By December 1956, just after the Suez Crisis, he was forced to leave Egypt; his immigration to Israel was facilitated by the Jewish Agency. In 1959, he married Nadia Majald (born c. 1935), an Iraqi-born Jew with whom he would have three children (Sophie, Irit, and Shai) after settling down in Bat Yam. Through this marriage, Cohen became the brother-in-law of Israeli author Sami Michael.

Career
The Israel Defense Forces recruited him in 1957 and placed him in military intelligence, where he became a counter-intelligence analyst and a translator. His work bored him and he attempted to join the Mossad, but he was offended when the Mossad rejected him, and he resigned from military counter-intelligence. For the next two years, he worked as a filing clerk in a Tel Aviv insurance office.

Enlistment with Mossad
The Mossad recruited Cohen after Director-General Meir Amit, looking for an intelligence officer to infiltrate the Syrian government, came across his name while looking through the agency's files of rejected candidates, after none of the current candidates seemed suitable for the job. For two weeks Cohen was put under surveillance and was judged suitable for recruitment and training. Cohen was then informed that Mossad had decided to recruit him and underwent an intensive six-month course at the Mossad training school. His graduate report stated that he had all the qualities needed to become a katsa, or field agent.

Espionage in Syria
He was then given a false identity as a Syrian businessman who was returning to the country after living in Argentina. To establish his cover, Cohen moved to Buenos Aires in 1961. In Buenos Aires he moved among the Arab community, letting it be known he had large amounts of money to put at the disposal of the Syrian Ba'ath Party. At this time the Ba'ath Party was illegal in Syria but the party seized power in 1963. Cohen moved to Damascus in February 1962 under the alias Kamel Amin Thabet (كامل أمين ثابت). Mossad had carefully planned the tactics that he was to use in building relationships with high-ranking Syrian politicians, military officials, influential public figures, and the diplomatic community.

Cohen continued his social life as he had in Argentina, spending time in cafes listening to political gossip. He also held parties at his home for high-placed Syrian ministers, businessmen, and others. At these parties, Cohen "dispensed free-flowing liquor and prostitutes" and highly-placed officials would openly discuss their work and army plans. Cohen would pretend to be drunk to encourage such conversations, to which he paid close attention. He would also lend money to government officials, and many came to him for advice.

Cohen provided an extensive amount and wide range of intelligence data for the Israeli Army between 1961 and 1965. He sent intelligence to Israel by radio, secret letters, and occasionally in person; he secretly travelled to Israel three times. His most famous achievement was the tour of the Golan Heights in which he collected intelligence on the Syrian fortifications there. According to an unconfirmed but widely believed story, he feigned sympathy for the soldiers exposed to the sun and had trees planted at every position, placed to provide shade. The Israel Defense Forces were alleged to have used the trees as targeting markers during the Six-Day War, which enabled Israel to capture the Golan Heights in two days. Cohen made repeated visits to the southern frontier zone, providing photographs and sketches of Syrian positions. He also learned of a secret plan to create three successive lines of bunkers and mortars; the Israel Defense Forces would otherwise have expected to encounter only a single line. Cohen was able to find out that the Syrians planned to divert the Jordan River headwaters in an attempt to deprive Israel of water resources, providing information to Israeli forces that enabled them to destroy the equipment prepared for the task during the "War over Water". It is claimed that the intelligence that Cohen gathered before his arrest was an important factor in Israel's success in the Six-Day War, although some intelligence experts have argued that the information he provided about the Golan Heights fortifications was also readily available from ground and aerial reconnaissance.

A 2018 article published in Newsweek by Ronen Bergman excerpted from Bergman's book Rise and Kill First, says that Eli Cohen located Alois Brunner, a former Nazi official and Holocaust perpetrator suspected of living in Syria, and relayed the information to an Israeli intelligence unit that subsequently sent letter bombs to Brunner.

Discovery
Following the 1963 Syrian coup d'état, newly appointed Syrian Intelligence Colonel Ahmed Suidani disliked Cohen and did not trust figures close to the Second Syrian Republic. Cohen expressed fear of discovery to the Mossad on his last secret visit to Israel in November 1964, and he stated that he wished to terminate his assignment in Syria. The purposes of that visit were to pass on intelligence and to enable him to witness the birth of his third child. Despite this, however, Israeli intelligence asked him to return to Syria one more time. Before leaving, Cohen assured his wife it would be his last trip before he returned home permanently.

In January 1965, Syrian officials, who used Soviet-made tracking equipment and were assisted by Soviet experts, increased their efforts to find a high-level spy. They observed a period of radio silence, in the hope that any illegal transmissions could be identified. They successfully detected radio transmissions and were able to triangulate the transmitter. Syrian security services led by Suidani broke into Cohen's apartment on 24 January and claimed to have caught him in the middle of a transmission to Israel.

Death
Cohen was found guilty of espionage by a military tribunal and sentenced to death under martial law. He had been repeatedly interrogated and tortured.

Israel staged an international campaign for clemency, hoping to persuade Syria to not execute him. Israeli foreign minister Golda Meir led a campaign urging Damascus to consider the consequences of hanging him. Diplomats, prime ministers, parliamentarians, and Pope Paul VI tried to intercede. Meir even appealed to the Soviet Union. The governments of Belgium, Canada, and France tried to persuade the Syrian government to commute the death sentence, but the Syrians refused. Nadia Cohen attempted to appeal for clemency at the Syrian Embassy in Paris but was turned away. Cohen wrote in his final letter on 15 May 1965: "I am begging you, my dear Nadia, not to spend your time in weeping about something already passed. Concentrate on yourself, looking forward for a better future!"

Cohen was publicly hanged in the Marjeh Square in Damascus on 18 May 1965. The execution was recorded on 35 mm film. On the day of his execution, his last wish to see a rabbi was respected by the prison authorities, and Nissim Indibo, the elderly Chief Rabbi of Syria, accompanied him in the truck. He was also allowed to write a final letter to his wife.

Burial

Syria refused to return Cohen's body to his family in Israel, and his wife Nadia sent a letter to Amin al-Hafiz in November 1965 asking his forgiveness for Cohen's actions and requesting his remains. In February 2007, Turkey offered to act as a mediator for their return.

Monthir Maosily, the former bureau chief of Hafez Al-Assad, claimed in August 2008 that the Syrians had buried him three times to stop the remains from being taken back to Israel via a special operation. Syrian authorities have repeatedly denied family requests for the remains. Cohen's brothers Abraham and Maurice led a campaign to return his remains; Maurice died in 2006, and Nadia now leads it.

In 2016, a Syrian group calling itself "Syrian art treasures" posted a video on Facebook showing Cohen's body after his execution. No film or video was previously known to exist of the execution. The press announced on 5 July 2018 that Cohen's wristwatch had been retrieved from Syria. His widow mentioned that the watch was up for sale months earlier, and Mossad managed to capture it. Mossad director Yossi Cohen presented it to Cohen's family in a ceremony, and it is currently on display at Mossad headquarters.

Legacy
Cohen has become a national hero in Israel, and many streets and neighbourhoods have been named for him. Prime Minister Menachem Begin, Defense Minister Ezer Weizmann, Chief of Staff Mordechai Gur, and several Mossad operatives all attended his son's Bar Mitzvah in 1977. A memorial stone has been erected to Cohen in the Garden of the Missing Soldiers in Mount Herzl, Jerusalem.

John Shea played Cohen in the television film The Impossible Spy (1987), and Sacha Baron Cohen played him in the Netflix miniseries The Spy (2019).

The Israeli settlement Eliad on the Golan Heights is named after him.

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Jeff Garcia

Jeffrey Jason Garcia (born February 24, 1970) is an American former professional football player who was a quarterback in the National Football League (NFL). After attending high school and junior college in Gilroy, California, Garcia played college football at San Jose State University.

A four-time CFL All-Star and four-time NFL Pro Bowl selection, Garcia began his professional football career with the Calgary Stampeders of the Canadian Football League (CFL) as an undrafted free agent in 1994. In 1999, Garcia debuted in the National Football League (NFL) with the San Francisco 49ers. With the 49ers, Garcia made three Pro Bowl appearances (for the 2000, 2001, and 2002 seasons) and led the team to the playoffs in the 2001 and 2002 seasons. Afterwards, Garcia encountered a low point in his career, starting with a lackluster 2003 season with San Francisco then two losing seasons with the Cleveland Browns in 2004 and the Detroit Lions in 2005. With the Philadelphia Eagles, Garcia returned to form late in the 2006 season, starting for an injured Donovan McNabb and leading Philadelphia to the playoffs. Garcia joined the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2007 and was the starting quarterback for most games of the 2007 and 2008 seasons. Again, Garcia led Tampa Bay to the playoffs in 2007 and made his fourth career Pro Bowl appearance.

After his stint with Tampa, Garcia returned to the Philadelphia Eagles in 2009 and played only one game. In 2010, Garcia played for the Omaha Nighthawks of the United Football League. In 2011, Garcia signed with the Houston Texans but did not play a game with the team. The following year, Garcia joined the advisory board for the now defunct United States Football League.

Early life
Garcia attended Gilroy High School in Gilroy, California, and was a letterman in football and basketball. As a senior at Gilroy High, Garcia was a South Santa Clara County selection for the Charlie Wedemeyer All-Star Football Game and played defensive back in the game.

College career
After graduating from Gilroy in 1988, Garcia attended Gavilan College, a local junior college. He was the starting quarterback on the football team for the 1989 season, in which he passed 2,038 yards for 18 touchdowns and rushed 584 yards for four touchdowns. After the season, Garcia earned junior college honorable mention All-America honors.

In 1990, Garcia transferred to San Jose State University and redshirted his first year there. From 1991 to 1993, Garcia was starting quarterback on the San Jose State Spartans football team. Under Garcia, San Jose State went 6–4–1 in 1991, 7–4 in 1992, and 2–9 in 1993. In 1991, Garcia had a career-high 61.9% completion rate at San Jose State with 99-for-160 passing for 1,519 yards, 12 touchdowns, and 5 interceptions. He passed for 2,418 yards in 1992 on 209-for-371 passing with 15 touchdowns and 11 interceptions and a career-high 2,608 yards in 1993 on 196-for-356 passing, 21 touchdowns, and 16 interceptions. For his junior season in 1992, Garcia earned UPI All-America honors. As of 2007, Garcia had the most career offensive yards (7,274) in San Jose State history.

Professional career
Garcia is one of only twelve quarterbacks in NFL history who have achieved two consecutive thirty-touchdown passing seasons (2000 and 2001) at least one time in his career. The others are Philip Rivers, Steve Bartkowski, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Brett Favre, Dan Fouts, Dan Marino, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Y. A. Tittle, Eli Manning, Russell Wilson, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen. He is also one of only thirteen quarterbacks to throw a 99-yard touchdown pass.

Calgary Stampeders
At 6-foot-1 and 195 pounds, Garcia was considered too small for the National Football League and was not selected in the 1994 NFL draft. In 1994, Garcia started his professional career in Calgary with the Calgary Stampeders of the Canadian Football League. He won a place on Calgary's roster as their third-string quarterback behind Doug Flutie and Steve Taylor when he threw two fourth-quarter touchdowns in his exhibition game appearance in 1994; soon after, he was named backup quarterback to Flutie. Garcia took over as starter in 1995 when Flutie was sidelined midway through the season with an elbow injury. In his second start filling in for Flutie, Garcia set a team record with 546 passing yards and six touchdown passes in the Labour Day game against Edmonton touching off an eventual quarterback controversy among some fans when Flutie later returned. Flutie ended up starting over Garcia in the Grey Cup that year which the Stampeders lost. After Flutie signed as a free-agent with the Toronto Argonauts in 1996, Garcia took over as the Stampeders' starting quarterback. During Garcia's three years as starter, the Stampeders finished with records of 13–5, 10–8, and 12–6.

In 1997, Garcia won the Jeff Nicklin Memorial Trophy, an award given to the Most Outstanding Player in the CFL Western Division. Garcia led the Stampeders to the Western Final in 1996 and to the Western Semi-Final in 1997. In 1998, he led the team to a Grey Cup victory over the Hamilton Tiger-Cats and was named Grey Cup MVP. Garcia's performance included an 80-yard, game-ending drive to set up the game-winning field goal on the last play of the game. Garcia was also named as the 1998 CFL All-Star at quarterback.

Garcia was inducted to the Stampeders Wall of Fame on September 14, 2012, along with 5 others (Rudy Linterman, Gerry Shaw, Kelvin Anderson, Sig Gutsche, Norman Kwong).

San Francisco 49ers
Following the Grey Cup victory, Garcia was signed as a backup to Steve Young with the San Francisco 49ers of the National Football League. Over the summer, he had been fighting for a spot on the roster, but early in the 1999 season, Steve Young was hit by Arizona Cardinals CB Aeneas Williams and suffered his final professional concussion, knocking him out for the year. Garcia stepped in and shared time with former Stanford quarterback Steve Stenstrom finishing the season.

Garcia won his first NFL start against the Tennessee Titans 24–22. After being benched for poor performances, Garcia was reinstated as the starting QB and in the final 5 games of the regular season, finished by tossing 8 TD passes to only 2 interceptions. Garcia finished his rookie season with 11 TDs and 11 INTs.

2000
The following season, with Young retired, and despite the 49ers drafting two quarterbacks (Giovanni Carmazzi in the third round and Tim Rattay in the seventh), Garcia kept the starting quarterback position and made his first Pro Bowl appearance. He set a new 49ers' team record with 4,278 passing yards in the 2000 season, although the team finished with a 6–10 record. Garcia finished the 2000 season, his first as a full-time starter with 31 TD passes to only 10 INTs. Garcia began the season on a tear, after 7 games, he had thrown for 19 TD passes, including 3 games of 4 TD passes.

2001
By the 2001 season, Garcia had become entrenched as the 49ers' starting quarterback. He had a career-high with 32 touchdown passes, including 21 over an eight-game span. With Garcia at quarterback, the 49ers made their first playoff appearance in almost two years, but fell to Green Bay 25–15 in the first round.

2002
2002 saw Garcia's offensive production drop from 31 and 32 TDs in the previous 2 seasons, to only 21. But even though Garcia's numbers dropped, the 49ers won the NFC West for the first time since 1997, with the division-clinching game coming on a last-second TD pass to Terrell Owens against the Dallas Cowboys. The 49ers trailed the Cowboys 27–17 with under 7 minutes left in the game before Garcia picked apart the Cowboy secondary for 2 TD passes (one to Tai Streets and the game winner to Terrell Owens). Garcia completed 36 of 55 passes for 276 yards and 3 4th-quarter TD passes in the division-clinching win.

On January 5, 2003, during the 2002–2003 playoffs, Garcia led the 49ers to a comeback win over the New York Giants, the second largest comeback victory in NFL playoff history. In the third quarter, the Giants were up 38–14, with about eighteen minutes left to play. Once the 49ers regained possession of the ball, they began a comeback that saw 25 unanswered points, with San Francisco taking a 39–38 lead. The Giants lost an opportunity to retake the lead after a controversial call, and the improbable victory became the signature game of Garcia's 49er career. He threw for 331 yards, 3 touchdowns, 1 interception, and also ran for 60 yards and 1 touchdown.

Garcia–Owens: 49er duo
Garcia's favorite target while with the 49ers was WR Terrell Owens. In 2003, Garcia and Owens's relationship turned sour upon Garcia taking issue with Owens's public praise for the play of backup quarterback Tim Rattay. Garcia responded with a cryptic "we cannot let the sickness spread" remark, prompting Owens to wear a surgeon's mask at the following practice. Following Owens's trade to Philadelphia, Owens was asked in a Playboy interview if he thought Garcia was gay, to which he responded, "If it looks like a rat and smells like a rat, by golly, it is a rat." Garcia called Owens' insinuations "ridiculous" and "untrue."

Following his 2004 trade to Philadelphia, Owens began speaking out and criticizing Garcia for the 49ers' offensive struggles during the 2003 season (the 49ers finished 7–9, with Garcia throwing 18 TDs and 13 INTs during the season).

Garcia revealed on multiple occasions that the pressure of following in the footsteps of Joe Montana and Steve Young had gotten to him.

Upon his departure, Garcia said, "Have somebody step into my shoes and feel what I had to deal with throughout that whole time in San Francisco. The dust would start to settle, and all of a sudden, more fuel was thrown into the fire. It was such a negative situation."

In Owens' first season with Jeff Garcia as his quarterback, Owens caught 60 passes and went on to have campaigns of 97, 93, 100 and 80 receptions over the next four seasons, two times leading the league in TD catches.

2003: Final season with 49ers
The 2003 season was a disappointment for Garcia and the 49ers. Following their 2002 playoff loss at the hands of the eventual Super Bowl Champion Tampa Bay Buccaneers, the 49ers fired head coach Steve Mariucci and replaced him with former Seattle Seahawks coach Dennis Erickson, who promised a wide open and vertical passing game.

Injuries to key players on both sides of the ball, and the often reckless play of Garcia, took a toll on him, as he missed three games during the season. The 49ers finished 7–9 and missed the playoffs for the first time in three seasons.

Following the 2003 season, Garcia was released.

Cleveland Browns
Garcia signed a contract with the Cleveland Browns on March 9, 2004. Garcia was released by the Browns after the 2004 season, in which he struggled to find any consistency and battled with injuries. On September 19, 2004, Garcia completed 8 of 27 passes for 71 yards and 3 interceptions in a 19–12 loss to the Dallas Cowboys, resulting in a career-low passer rating of 0. Despite his struggles, Garcia tied the record for longest career pass play (99 yards) on a completion to André Davis on October 17, 2004, in a win against the Cincinnati Bengals.

Detroit Lions
He was signed by the Detroit Lions to a one-year contract on March 12, 2005, to play for his former San Francisco head coach, Steve Mariucci, but Garcia broke his fibula in the fourth pre-season game against the Buffalo Bills on September 2, 2005. He started his first regular-season game as quarterback for the Lions on October 23, 2005, against his former teammates, the Browns. Garcia led the Lions to a 13–10 victory completing 22 of his 34 pass attempts for 210 yards, with one touchdown and zero interceptions.

After the win, Mariucci named Garcia the starting quarterback for the remainder of the season, over Joey Harrington, the longtime Detroit starter. Garcia struggled later in the season and Harrington returned as the starter. Following the season, the Lions did not offer Garcia a new contract.

Philadelphia Eagles

On March 15, 2006, after consecutive frustrating seasons with the Browns and Lions, Garcia signed a one-year contract with the Philadelphia Eagles to serve as the primary backup to Donovan McNabb in 2006. McNabb had been lost to injury the previous season, and the Eagles went 1–6 without him and missed the playoffs just a year removed from their Super Bowl appearance. Because McNabb was already wearing number 5, Garcia had his jersey number changed to 7, previously worn in Philadelphia by Ron Jaworski.

Following McNabb's season-ending knee injury in a game against the Tennessee Titans on November 19, 2006, Garcia entered the game. Coach Andy Reid named Garcia as the starting quarterback for the remainder of the season over fellow backup A. J. Feeley, despite Feeley's popularity in Philadelphia (Feeley had previously gone 4–1 in 2002 when McNabb was injured). Garcia's first start for the Eagles came against the Colts on Sunday Night Football.

With a 45–21 loss to Indianapolis dropping the Eagles below .500, many sportscasters (namely Jimmy Johnson) predicted the Eagles to be out of contention for the rest of the season. However, Garcia led the Eagles to five consecutive victories and the NFC East division championship. The rejuvenated quarterback threw ten touchdowns and only two interceptions, while posting a QB rating of 95.8 in eight total games played. He also made the front cover of Sports Illustrated following his five-game winning streak. On January 7, 2007, Garcia earned only his second ever playoff win, throwing for 153 yards and one touchdown in a 23–20 victory over the Giants. On January 13, 2007, Garcia and the Eagles lost to the New Orleans Saints by a score of 27–24. He threw for 240 yards, 75 of which came on a touchdown to Donté Stallworth (setting the record for the longest passing touchdown in Eagles' postseason history).

Though he stated that he would love to re-sign with Philadelphia, the Eagles decided not to offer Garcia a new contract after the season. The Eagles opted to instead sign the younger Feeley to a three-year deal, and avoid a potential quarterback controversy between Garcia and McNabb.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
After his run with the Eagles, Garcia signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on March 3, 2007, to compete for their starting position. Although his more familiar number 5 was available, Garcia decided to keep the number 7 he wore with the Eagles. He was named the Buccaneers' starting quarterback for 2007.

Taking over the reins of a Buccaneers team that went 4–12 in 2006, Garcia led them to the NFC South division title. The Buccaneers lost to the eventual Super Bowl champion New York Giants, 24–14, in the Wild Card Round. Garcia would be named to his fourth Pro Bowl that season, his first since 2002. The Buccaneers would not return to the playoffs until the 2020 season.

In the 2008 season opener, Garcia left the game due to injury. Tampa would end up using a "quarterback by committee" rotation between Garcia, Brian Griese, and Luke McCown through the year. During a victory over the Seattle Seahawks, Garcia passed for 310 yards, surpassing 40,000 yards for his career when combining his statistics from both the CFL and NFL, becoming the twentieth player to accomplish the feat. The uncertainty at quarterback led to the Buccaneers losing their final four games in a row, dropping to 9–7 and out of the playoffs. They ultimately decided to move on from Garcia and not re-sign him in the offseason.

Oakland Raiders
Garcia signed a one-year deal with the Oakland Raiders on April 6, 2009. As he did in Tampa Bay, Bruce Gradkowski changed his number to 5 to allow Garcia to wear number 7. He was expected to back up JaMarcus Russell in the 2009 season, but was released during final cuts on September 5, 2009.

Philadelphia Eagles (second stint)
After Eagles' quarterback Donovan McNabb suffered a fractured rib in week one, the Eagles signed Garcia to a one-year contract on September 14, 2009. He was released on September 29, following Michael Vick's return from suspension. During this short stint with the Eagles, he wore jersey number 9.

Omaha Nighthawks
Garcia was one of the signature players of the United Football League and his former team, the Omaha Nighthawks. He won two offensive player of the week awards during the 2010 season, having produced a game-winning drive in two separate games.

Houston Texans
On December 6, 2011, Garcia signed with the Houston Texans, following an injury to starting quarterback Matt Schaub. Jake Delhomme was also signed by Houston, as both he and Garcia would back up T. J. Yates.

Post-playing career
Garcia joined the advisory board of the revival of the United States Football League (USFL) in May 2012. In August 2014 Garcia was hired as an offensive consultant by the Montreal Alouettes of the CFL. Just days later he was named the Alouettes' quarterbacks coach. In May 2015, the Los Angeles Rams hired Garcia as an offensive assistant which lasted for one season. Garcia has shown interest in developing the skills and mechanics in other quarterbacks, as he has worked with Matt McGloin, Mark Sanchez, and Tyrod Taylor. Garcia has also expressed his interest in developing Colin Kaepernick's mechanics and skills as well.

Personal life
Garcia is the third of seven children born to Bob and Linda (née Elder) Garcia. His father is a former athletic director and football coach at Gavilan College in his hometown of Gilroy, California. A pair of twin girls died before Garcia's birth. His younger brother Jason drowned on a family camping trip in 1977 when Garcia was seven, and fourteen months later his younger sister Kimberly died after falling out of a truck. His two surviving sisters, Jene and Melissa, were born after the deaths of Jason and Kimberly. Garcia has said that much of his drive stems from trying to make his parents happy after the deaths of his siblings.

His maternal grandfather, Maurice "Red" Elder, was a football star at Kansas State University in the 1930s; both played in the East–West Shrine Game while in college, the only grandfather-grandson duo to do so. Elder was a longtime coach at Gilroy High School. Garcia donated money to refurbish the athletic field at the school, and in 2005, the field was renamed Garcia-Elder Field to honor both of them.

Garcia, who is of Mexican and Irish heritage, has also done various charitable work in support of the Hispanic Scholarship Fund.

On April 21, 2007, Garcia married Carmella DeCesare, an American model who was Playboy magazine's Miss April 2003 and Playmate of the Year for 2004 at the CordeValle Resort in San Martin, California. They have four children. In a Christmas Day 2020 reply to a poster on his Instagram account, Garcia stated that he and DeCesare were divorced, saying, "Things happen but we are still great friends and co parent our beautiful 4 kids together. All is good man."

Charity work
Garcia and DeCesare founded the Garcia Pass It On Foundation in order to share resources with people in less fortunate circumstances. The Foundation is closed.

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Talk:Japanese proverbs

Could someone
explain to me the proverb-phone connection?--69.212.100.126 07:01, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Questionable phrases
Another issue with proverbs is the "meaning" section. Subjective interpretations are not meanings. The literal translation is fine, but proverbs are intentionally left vague so as to encourage the reader to think about what was said and make his or her own mind up. I am requesting the editors remove the "Meaning" section —Preceding unsigned comment added by Garbage Monger (talk • contribs) 19:31, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Phrases that are in doubt of being actual proverbs:
 * ミイラとりがミイラになる (Miiratori ga miira ni naru) -- (lit. A mummy hunter becomes a mummy) -- miira is from Portugese, suggesting that common usage, if any, doesn't have a long history.

 * As miira is a loan word imported from Portugese, the word itself is likely imported before the sakoku era, means before 1633. In fact, 'Miiratori ga miira ni naru' is used since the Edo period.  My proverb dictionary says its sources are 本朝二十四考 (Honcho Nijushiko), a Kabuki drama first performed in 1766, 閑窓瑣談 (Kanso Sadan) and 根無草 (Nenasigusa), books also written in the edo period. More than two hundred years is a long history, I think. See the Japanese article ミイラ for the etymology for both the word itself and the proverb.

This would be much more useful with English translations.

The ones that have translations now aren't very coherent. Are they literal translations? It might be best to have a literal translation and something a bit more idiomatic to get the gist. Tuf-Kat

Yeah, each one needs much more explanasion. I put some that I know but most needs more research. Do you have any formatting suggestion? -- Taku 01:16 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC)

 * I think there should be a standard format for each of them that includes:
 * Having the Japanese reading in romaji (it's the English version after all)
 * Literal meaning or explanation
 * English equivalent (if available)
 * Explanation of origin (if available)

 * The format could be either a table like (shameless plug) Prefectures of Japan or a bulleted list as below.

 * 一石二鳥 (Isseki nicho)
 * two birds with one stone

 * synthetik 01:42 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for suggestion. I did some formatting if you have idea just apply it to the artcile. Actually I prefer to use single line for each entry because I want to condense the article, which seems to grow later. -- Taku 02:14 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC)

My two cents:
 * (Japanese characters) - idiomatic translation (literal translation)

People will be most interested in the translation that will have the most meaning to them, the idiomatic one, and may be only kind of interested in the literal and will not be as interested in the literal translation, which is usually nonsensical without some long and deep thought. Tuf-Kat

Maybe, but I think literal translation for four-letter words is useful. Do you? And what about English equivalent? Actually I found applying uniform format is a kind of difficult because some are short but some long, some has literal meaning that does make much sense to English speakers like one stone with two birds but some not apparently. -- Taku 04:29 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC)
 * Absolutely -- a literal translation is important and interesting, but I have no idea what "even monkeys drop from trees" means in any meaningful away; I am aware that monkeys must fall from trees occasionally, but it doesn't make me understand the proverb. It is better, I think, to give the more meaningful idiomatic translation.  Both should be given in a uniform format (my suggestion is an idea, but as long as it is uniform, I don't care greatly).  While occasionaly the two different definitions will be of greatly uneven length, this won't lead people astray as long as it is made clear through formatting what is literal and what is idiomatic.  Maybe even something as simple as putting literal translations in italics and idiomatic meanings in plain text would help -- anything to set the two apart in the eyes of the reader, as long as the top of the article explains how everything works. Tuf-Kat

I think the principle should be that each proverb does make sense, hence meaningful translation is absolute. -- Taku 23:59 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)

I don't think finding a full translation to an equivalent English proverb needs to be a single step done by one person. It would speed up this process if literal translactions were put in place by a speaker fluent in Japanese, even if that person is less fluent in English. If literal translations were in place, as a native English speaker I would enjoy trying to find English equivalents -- Williamv1138.

In my opinion, I think I _can_ understand what "even monkey drops from trees" means. Taken in isolation, it would be difficult, but when I add the fact that it is intended to be a proverb--- a short, possibly witty truism--- I can work through to what the truism intended is, and then search my memory for an English equivalent. That would be my process to contribute, if others could supply the literal translations. -- Williamv1138.

I added some translations using a spreadsheet. Some proberbs have a synonym, such as "even monkey drops from trees" and "even kappa (an imaginary animal living in rivers) fails to swim." There are also proverbs with opposite meanings. For example, "give things a try" and "if you don't touch god you don't get in trouble." I think it's a good idea to mention them but if we do that the current format would be too cloudy. -- Duckie

I'm not an expert in Japanese proverbs, but in 案ずるより生むが易し (Anjiru yori umu ga yasushi) there seem to be two romanization problems: "案ずる" is read "anzuru", not "anjiru". I don't know which is correct here. And I don't know "易し" but "易しい" and the latter is read "yasashii". All this may be based on my lack of understanding of Japanese and the historical language in particular. -- mjordan

 * "anzuru" is a traditional and largely discontinued verb form. I changed it to "anzuru" because it is more historical.  The problem is, due to the past inconsitency in pronounciation and spelling, it is also correct to spell "anjiru" and pronounce so.  It is somewhat like the spelling difference in British and American English and while British spelling maybe more historical and thus 'truer', most people doesn't write 'colour' or 'aeroplane'.
 * Revth 15:26, 21 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I do find the literal translations valuable; and they do make sense, most of them, if one has at least some knowledge of Japanese culture and history. -- Slobbit

Is this genuine? "Sit beside the river long enough and you will see the body of your enemy float by." <>< tbc

Japanese translation
Can anyone tell me what is the correct Japanese translation of the proverb "Who travels for love finds a thousand miles not longer than one."? From what I've researched, it appears to be a Japanese love proverb but I can't seem to find its original translation. 84.90.96.252 (talk) 11:54, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably this: 惚れて通えば千里も一里 Horete kayoeba senri mo ichiri. --Kusunose 14:11, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the translation, Kusunose. =D 84.90.96.252 (talk) 18:22, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

What does, "A tall tree catches much wind," mean?
This is used to define one of the proverbs, but I've never heard this one, and neither can I figure it out nor find its meaning by searching. I'm hoping to confirm that the original Japanese proverb means what I think it does: "Anybody who decides to be publicly different will be punished and brought into line." Can anyone verify that?--Atkinson (talk) 19:55, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Sit by the river
"If you sit by the river long enough, you will see the body of your enemy float by"? 150.203.177.97 (talk) 00:18, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Origin
Could this 七転び八起き (Nanakorobi yaoki) "Fall seven times and stand up eight" have been originating from the bible? Proverbs 24:16 (BBE) "For an upright man, after falling seven times, will get up again: but trouble is the downfall of the evil." The biblical numbers are too conspicuous to be a coincidence. Normally one would think of three or four as a number to be used. Mightyname (talk) 22:42, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Doctor Doom

African American Studies
I really doubt that Doom received a degree in African American Studies from Stanford. I think this is a joke for three reasons: 1. The incongruent nature of the statement in the context of the article and Doom's character, 2. The fact that the book cited was supposedly written by Chris Byrne in 1972, a time when Byrne was only writing much smaller name comics, and 3. This is likely a joke on Byrne's tendency to write out of character. I'll delete the statement and the citation for now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.84.67.174 (talk) 06:49, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Slanted Language
I believe this is slanted language: "His ruling of the small nation of Latveria provides him with diplomatic immunity, an ingenious plot device never used before in comics". I don't think it's the place of Wikipedia to judge whether a plot device is ingenious or not. 66.189.36.149 01:32, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Third Person
Why does Doom refer to himself in third person? Is that just because he is an uber narcasist?

He is royalty and talking in a rather oldish and dramatic style. People in position like that tended to do that sort of thing. -Oneiros

Darth Vader
It seems likely that Doom was a prototype for Darth Vader. Part of the character's hook is wondering just what he has hidden under that mask. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.113.216.25 (talk • contribs) 20:02, 21 February 2003 (UTC)

 * George Lucas has indeed acknowledged the influence of Doom in creating Vader. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Timrollpickering (talk • contribs) 15:29, 10 January 2004 (UTC)

 * That certainly seems evident, but it really needs a citation -- preferably a quote from one of the countless articles, interviews and books in which Lucas is quoted. Also, don't forget to sign your posts! - Tenebrae 05:26, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

'Doctor'?
If Doctor Doom was expelled from college, where did he get his degree? -- Smerdis of Tlön 17:05, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)

 * He doesn't have one. But when the second-strongest sorcerer on Earth, who also happens to command legions of robotic minions and is wearing atomic-powered armour, tells you his name is Doctor Doom, you call him doctor. :) Bryan 05:25, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * Most recent appearances skip the "Doctor" part (for instance, "Unthinkable" by Mark Waid). Everyone calls him, or refers to him as "Doom", except for Reed Richards, who calls him "Victor" (they knew each other in college). He was called "Doctor Doom" in the 60s because Stan Lee loved alliterations (Peter Parker, Reed Richards, Susan Storm, Matt Murdock, Bruce Banner), not because it made any sense. :) Dehumanizer 22:36, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Are there any other "adaptations" of Doctor Doom? --Feitclub 03:40, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

I highly recommend the MF Doom albums mentioned in the article. Doom is an amazing rapper, and he has produced several incredible albums in the last few years.

Who is to say that Doom did not confer upon himself a doctorate from a Latverian university? - User:Sh@z@m

What I remember reading (back in the early 1960's) is that Dr. Doom and Reed Richards worked on the same floor in the university and an explosion from an forbidden experiment had injured him. The dean of the university banned him for it. People with Dr. degrees can still be banned from working there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.78.114.12 (talk) 07:37, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Characteristics
RE: his use of scientific and magical genius for evil, his eerie name, and his penchant for speaking in a melodramatic manner — have often been copied and parodied.

Actually, this stuff was around and being copied and parodied for years and years before Doom. Fu Manchu, Ming the Merciless, Sherlock Holmes' nemesis Moriarty ... this list goes on. As do the villains! :-) - Tenebrae 05:26, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

When has the Punisher ever encountered the Doomster?

Here is a question - what is Doctor Doom's current status ? is he alive, is he dead , is he trapped in anothe dimension ? becouse in House of M he was alive and well ... but then again, in house of m the dead gwen stacy , and other guys were resurrected...... so.......... if anyone can help me ,thank you :)

 * AFAIK he's in hell atm XSpaceyx 18:23, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Last time he was seen in the normal Fantastic Four ongoing, it ended with him being in Hell for failing to live up to his deal with some demons, or slighting them, or failing them or something. However, I heard that Doom (the real thing, not yet another Doom-bot) recently killed off Squirrel Girl, but from reading the Wiki article I obviously wasn't listening too closely when my friend told me that, or he was wrong. Satan's Rubber Duck 11:54, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Well this article isn't so updated.. 193.13.57.88 12:04, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

 * On the other hand, having the article updated to the current issue is going to spoil anyone looking for a little bit of background info on a character they may have never met before. Satan's Rubber Duck 17:54, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Power cosmic?
Anyone know how many times he has actually aquired the power cosmic or any other cosmic power for that matter? So far I can only remember twice, Galactus and Beyonder.
 * He's also taken it from the Silver Surfer. Dr Archeville 18:55, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * He's stolen power from Uatu the Watcher before, and IIRC, also Terrax at least once. --Metaphysician

Doom is currently in hell. Even so he has allied Latveria with the nation of Wakanda in a battle against the coming globalization imposed by the Super Human Registration Act in the United States. Wakanda is ruled by The Black Panther and his new Wife Storm AKA Ororo Monroe. cyph mon may5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.171.241.207 (talk) 20:20, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Question
I seem to recall hearing Dr Doom is from Latvia. Am I just nuts?

 * Latveria, a fictionalized Eastern European nation based on, among others, Latvia. --Rocketgoat 06:16, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

'Machines of Doom' Article?
Would it be in Wikipedia's purview to make a page listing & describing all the 100+ gadgets Dr. Doom has used in his decades of comic life? There are pages for Captain America's shield and Thor's hamme Mjolnir (and I'm working on one for the Armors of Iron Man), so it would seem to me that there is some precedent for such an aticle. Dr Archeville 19:01, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, I say go for it.

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Runaways
Dr. Doom also figures prominently in the storyline of the comic Runaways, starting in issue 4. Someone want to add this somewhere? I don't think I know enough to be qualified to do it. There are some details on the Ultron page. aubrey 04:01, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Dr. Dooms from other Fox Comics and DC Comics
An anon user moved this to trivia which I subsequently restored to the top of the article. Since the Fox and DC Comics' Dr. Dooms are extremely unlikely to develop their own pages on wikipedia (particularly the DC Comics' Dr. Doom) it seems appropriate that these characters be mentioned up front in the article for anyone who may be searching for whatever information wikipedia may have on the other Dr. Dooms. Burying it under a trivia section makes them almost not worth mentioning in the article at all, and anyone looking for information on these Dr. Dooms from rival comic publishers will undoubtedly look for them here. The original paragraph including the info on Fox Comics Dr. Doom and Marvel's Dr. Droom have been there for a long time, but I recently added the information on DC Comics' Dr. Doom after digging up my old copy of Detective Comics #158. My conjecture is that DC kept their Dr. Doom obscure so as to avoid a copyright fight with Marvel. What do others think about where this information about other Dr. Dooms should be placed?--  Cardinal Newman  05:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Did Dr. Doom exist before Civil War?
The publication history of the character needs to be filled out, and also a mention of doombots would be nice. I don't know enough about Dr. Doom to be much help with this. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 22:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hunh? In his info box it says his first appearance was July 1962, well before the Civil War story arc. --Dr Archeville 21:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Mangaverse
I think I remember he was a black woman in the mangaverse, the sister to the black panther or something like that, but I can't remember well. Anyone willing to fill? --SidiLemine 13:36, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Alias
Doctor Doom once used the third Invincible Man as an alias. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.136.11.242 (talk • contribs) 03:34, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Can you cite this? When and where did he use this alias? --GentlemanGhost 04:18, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Stephen King references
Since Eddie Dean came from 1987, how would he know about Harry Potter? speaking of which, do we need two references to Dark Tower? they should be merged, or the inferior one removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

 * Thanks for catching these. I removed one of the Dark Tower references (it was in the wrong section anyway). Also the bit about Harry Potter and lightsabers has nothing to do with Dr. Doom, so I excised it from the article altogether. --GentlemanGhost 04:11, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Magical Power Level
The article states that Doom is next in line for the title of Sorcerer Supreme. However, other than the Unthinkable story line in which his magical powers were supplemented, Doom has never shown magical abilities that would put him ahead of the likes of Baron Mordo, Morgan Le Fey, Hellstorm, or Doctor Druid (not an exhaustive list). And even in the Unthinkable story line it is made clear that without the demon's granting him additional power that his abilities were quite limited.

The closest that I'm aware of Doom being listed as number two are in the Doctor Doom/Strange graphic novel where Doom came in second in a magical contest. However, Doom and Strange were the only notables entered in that contest.Gethe 02:07, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

This assertion does indeed come from the Doctor Doom/Strange graphic novel, entitled "Triumph and Torment" where Doom, Strange, and many other magicians in the Marvel Universe competed for the title of sorcerer supreme at the behest of the Vishanti. Doom freely admits before the contest takes place that he is not adept at some of the others present in the ways of magic, but is allowed to participate anyway. The result of the contest can roughly be interpreted as putting Doom in second place, and it is for this reason it is often said he is next in line as Sorcerer Supreme. In the events that followed in the same story, however, Dr. Strange apparently taught Doom a great deal about magical combat, enough for them to survive in Mephisto's hellish dimension. For all these reasons it is reasonable to assume that if Dr. Strange were dispatched Dr. Doom could very well be next in line for his title, or at least in the running.

Don't violate policy
Don't delete comments you don't agree with. It's against wikipedia policy. Thanks. 72.144.71.193 04:53, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Face?
I'm sure they have at some point, but has his face ever been clearly shown in 616 continuity? If so, that might be a good panel/page to track down and put on the article, his supposed disfigurement is a fairly large part of his character.

No, it is tradition that it has not been clearly shown.

Hey, I'm kinda sure his face was visible in Secret Wars (though it had been cured, or summfin'). Marvelrulez 20:57, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Yes, his face has been shown unscarred (such as in Secret Wars, yes). These events were later undone by the Beyonder, including his unscarring. Doom's pride will never allow his scarred face to be shown, and as someone else said above, it has been a long-standing tradition to not reveal it. The closest that I have ever come to see his scarred face being revealed was in Books of Doom, but it was revealed in that same page that it was a doombot. -- Trakx 11:45, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Aww, I wanted to see his freaky face. Heh, like when Peter Griffin went to see the Phantom of the Opera.

Sideshow toys, makers of collectable figures, had made a bust of DD, with both removeable mask(!) and nose(!!) check it out here [] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.164.202.130 (talk) 18:21, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

Minute Waltz?
The Punisher met Doctor Doom in one of his really dorktastic issues of his own series. If that made sense.

Also, the Punisher killed Doom on panel in 'Punisher Kills The Marvel Universe'.

And the current bit about Doom killing the orchestra that failed to play the Minute Waltz in a minute...even it's ever found what issue this happened in, should this really be part of the article anyway? The 'real' Doom has an appreciation for the arts and would know exactly how long the Minute Waltz would last.

Lots42 23:26, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree. While an interesting bit of trivia, to the casual reader looking up information on Doom it would paint the wrong picture. I'm not sure of what comic or issue this happened in, but it isn't a defining moment, but merely a passing whim of an idea the writer had that he thought would show Doom to not only be classy, but dangerous. -- Trakx 11:39, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Immunity?
While it's acknowledged that Doom has diplomatic immunity when he travels abroad, is it really something that should be listed under 'abilties'? Should something like that really be considered a 'super power'? Lord Shaz 20:26, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Yes, it should be at least noted (JoeLoeb (talk) 03:55, 23 February 2009 (UTC))

Numbers of issues
I have added all the refferences needed to the information I gave (specially sections "Doom´s honor", "Doom´s love interests", "Doom´s villains that he has defeated"). I supposse that now the problem of refferences will finish. If it stills, please, tell me what´s the number that I need to add.

Is there a reason that his role in the heroes reborn universe was not used?
If I remeber correctly Doom played a major role in the heroes reborn universe. He was the reason that the heroes could beat Galactacus because he would see their mistakes in each of their attempts to stop him, then he used those seperate ideas to finally stop The big G. The story is found in issue 12 of each series in the heroes reborn universe. Thank you so much for listening. GL135

 * Why not enter the relevant information yourself? I have not actually read any Doom HR universe appereances. Lots42 07:40, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Mephisto?
???

Mephisto did not cause the accident that scarred Doom and made him hate Reed. Doom's own arrogance did this.

Lots42 07:42, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

 * This had been the long standing story, yes, but it was further explained in Books of Doom by Ed Brubaker. In short, the famous experiment was not a complete disaster: Doom did astral travel to Mephisto's Realm. While there, Mephisto defeated Doom from saving his mother, but told him that once a year he may try again. In Mephisto's Realm, Doom was then scarred by Mephisto, and in the real world Doom's machine exploded. In the end, and not to contradict myself, but it may have been one or the other or both that caused the scar. - Trakx 11:30, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Grammar
This is a pain to read. I'm a little drowsy I'll grant, but some of these sentences in the article make my head hurt.

Agreed. Example- "But he had his revenge to Magneto's cruel acts, because when the rebellion against him started, Doom helped him aimless, and quickly escaped, disappearing (perhaps to rescue his mother), leaving King Magnus alone to face a shamefully defeat by the Scarlett Witch's hands." I'm going to attempt some cleanup. --Citizen Sykes 21:22, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Ways to shorten the article
This article is too long and needs to be shortened. I propose creating an article to move his 'Other versions' section to, like Captain America, Spider-Man, Wolverine, etc. have. Anyone disagree? Anyone with other ideas on how to shorten the article? -Freak104 17:07, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I created the Alternate versions of Doctor Doom page to help shorten this article, but it's still too long. Freak104 03:15, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

The whole section on Rise of the Silver Surfer is out of line. It should mention his appearance in the film and brief synopsis, not a play by play of every scene he's in in the movie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.162.187.19 (talk) 21:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I think the mention of Doom as an iconic megavillain is a little aside from the point and the definition of megavillain given is even more unclear to the point of begging disputation. The examples are simply evil geniuses, not villains of vast proportions that seek to dominate the world or greater regions. Nor are all of these listed "sympathetic villains" nor anti-heroes nor protagonal sadists. A true megavillain has been described before as simply a fictive villain who is portrayed as capable of destroying or conquering the world or a greater region and is interested in such a thing defacto and normally. There is nothing particularly romantic about this concept as a loosely given variable. However we should not forget the term "romantic villain" and "evil genius". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.82.165.100 (talk) 14:53, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Rise of the Silver Surfer
One paragraph says "He knocks out all the guards guarding the board and kills General Hager". But then the next paragraph says ".... ...he attaches himself to the surfboard and goes on a rampage throughout the Earth,disintegrating and killing General Hager in the process. ".

This is confusing, as it seems like General Hager died twice. Can someone who saw the movie clear this up? 68.199.241.212 02:38, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

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Where have the references gone?
The article cites a few references (like Wizard magazine putting him as number 4 villian etc.) but under the references entry there is only a link to an extremly crappy made fansite? Aetherfukz 18:26, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

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Doom's honor
Shouldn't that section have some references as opposed to "in [story arc/comic/etc.], Doom did.." ? I'd add them myself, but I haven't kept up with Marvel comics in a long, long time. Th 2005 (talk) 12:48, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I've deleted the section. It was original research, personal intepretation of the comics rather than analysis by a reliable source.     Paul    730  15:30, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * David Fuchs and I dumped this personality/honour stuff ages ago, because we know different writers interpret Doom differently over the years. As the publication history shows, Mark Waid certainly didn't think of Doom as honourable. Alientraveller (talk) 22:39, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

GA Review
I usually don't like to fail an article right off the bat. However, after reading this article, it obviously has some problems with keeping out-of-universe perspective. The lead, "Fictional character biography" and "Powers and abilities" sections all need rewriting to keep it "out of universe". WP:WAF states clearly: "The principal frame of reference is always the real world, in which both the work of fiction and its publication are embedded: write from a real-world perspective." (emphasis not mine)
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There are major edits that need to be done, and I think it would be best to rewrite the aforementioned sections to avoid referring to the character as if he was real. Then come back and re-nominate.

I know there are several comic book characters that are FAs (Batman and Captain Marvel are two, I believe), and it's always a good idea to look at other articles that have already succeeded.

If you have any questions, please leave a note on my talk page. I wish you the best of luck in improving this article, and I hope I see this article nominated again sometime (after much improvement). Noble Story (talk) 13:43, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Doctor Doom's Biography
I still think we should have a page for his biography like Spider-Man and Wolverine have their own biography page. Rtkat3 (talk) 6:35, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Where is his bio? Every comic book character on this site has a bio except one of the most prolific. It seems in an effort to make the page more 'encyclopedic' the editors have gradually shat upon the article. 69.3.159.45 (talk) 00:02, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

There used to be one, but I dunno what happened to it. I could patch a few things to it on Word or something, seeing as I'm reading the Chronopack now.. issues from 1961 to recent materials. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.17.171.105 (talk) 05:34, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

worst doom image ever!
This picture of Doctor Doom really suck, post a better one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.12.156.120 (talk) 02:16, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Doom 2009
Doom 2099 was not created by Robert Kirkman, but John Francis Moore. The link points to an article about a much later 2099 project named after the original. 68.9.104.156 (talk) 00:31, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

 * can you provide some citation for that? If so, please change it, adding in the citation with your edit. Thanks. ThuranX (talk) 00:33, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

revisions
the Cultural Impact section really reads as a critical reception comment. I think it should be merged into the publication history, which describes some of the creative teams and their efforts and intents. If we show those, it makes sense to show the results of the same in the same place. ThuranX (talk) 04:27, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Famous quotes?
I like this article, but I would like it even better if it highlighted some of Doc's most famous bombastic quotes… "Fools! You have sealed your fate, etc." (not an actual quote, just what my memory tells me he sounded like.)--Goodmorningworld (talk) 13:11, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

 * We don't do quote lists here, for a few good reasons: We'd need a WP:RS to support that each and every statement was truly famous. We couldn't use it as 'just memorable to that writer', but we'd need actual fame. famous peoples' favorite XYZs aren't usually notable, or articles on colors would be ridiculously stupid and long lists. We also can't because there would be a lot of edit warring and fighting about which quotes go in, what the threshold for determining 'famous' is, and whether one source's assertion rises to the level of another quote's, in effect getting arguments about which editors favorite quote is more famous based on different citations. We would get more and more quotes, often tagged as citation needed, to avoid being immediately removed, and it would be a wedge for including other forms of trivial information. If a character's way of speaking in general is unusual, like Thor, for example, then finding sources about that would probably be more notable, because we could talk about how the creative team portrays the character. Doom, however, is pretty much just about his own hubris and arrogance, which are fairly typical of comic book villians. ThuranX (talk) 17:16, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Yep. That kind of stuff is really suited for Wikiquote, though, not here. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:30, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Powers
Removed the addition to his powers related to blocking telepaths and realizing others were arriving or there without seeing them. This is merely an extension of his technology, mystical training and willpower and nothing special that we haven't witnessed before. Also, it's Osborn, not Osborne. 86.32.134.96 (talk) 13:34, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Mental power
I included Doom in the category Characters who have mental powers because he has the mental power that allows him to transfer his mind to another being.201.29.146.156 (talk) 13:33, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

 * No. He may have a magical spell that let him do that for a given story, but it's not an inherent power; otherwise, we'd see him using it much more often. ThuranX (talk) 21:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

IP edits regarding his mental powers.
An IP has been trying to add Category:Fictional characters who have mental powers to the article. He has insisted, on my talk page, that I need to disprove his assertion, otherwise, he'll continue to edit war. This power is in no way supported by the article, nor can he provide citations, beyond 'that issue i remember from Brazil long ago'. I have asked repeatedly for citations, issue number, comic book series in which it occurs, anything .he's provided nothing. I will accept the category if we can get secondary sources on this, but I haven't found any yet. I've requested page protection, as well. This is getting absurd. A half-remembered comic book memory is not sufficient grounds for adding to the article. ThuranX (talk) 00:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Yes, the villain behind these lies wants to show something. Forgive my delay. Everybody can see here that I've been editing the true. The Official biography of Dr. Doom, section Powers, says He can exchange mind with others, and at the section New Power, Gained and Lost ...Doom transferred his mind into the body of an onlooker, Norman McArthur, an instant before his death. You wrote above that maybe he had transferred his mind through magic powers, but you can read there he used the ability he learned from Ovoid.200.191.197.21 (talk) 03:58, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

 * That's another Wiki, so it's NOT a WP:RS. Pleasae find one before adding the material. ThuranX (talk) 04:25, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

 * But the information was accepted by the official site. Even if the page become protected, i'll log in and revert your editions a billion of times. That's all I have to say.200.191.197.21 (talk) 04:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

 * No, the information was not 'accepted' by the official site. That's a website running the same wiki-engine software that we use here, and runs on the same anyone can edit model. Therefore, we cannot use it, per the Reliable Sources link I just gave you. Anyways, good luck with that threat to keep logging in and editing - the page has been semi-protected, and will be reverted just as often if you do get an account, which will be blocked, should you edit war more. ThuranX (talk) 11:09, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Thank you for wishing me luck, good friend! Yes I'm this user and I'm not afraid of you or to be blocked.Brazilian Man (talk) 13:59, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Doctor Doom: the truth
Hey ThuranX, I'd like to see your face now, and you to laugh at this:

All of those images, except for the covers, are listed here

 * Here, in FF #10, we can see Doom exchanging his mind with Reed Richards, after he explained how he had learned the ability from the Ovoid race. He also says to Richards he has the power of controlling minds. (the image is small; use the page zooming)

 * Here, in Fantastic Four #287, he explains to Peggy MacArthur what happened at the moment he possessed her husband body and escaped from death.

 * Here we can see an unmasked Doctor Doom (in another body) being throttled by Beyonder in Fantastic Four #288. He is using the body of a man named Norman MacArthur but in this same history, Beyonder reconstructs his original body.

 * Here, we can see how Doom exchanged his mind with Zarrko in FF #407. (the image is small; use the page zooming)

 * And here, in FF #507, with Sue Richards; and here, with Johnny Storm; and here, with Ben Grimm.

Covers

 * Fantastic Four #10: The first time that Doctor Doom used his mental power.

 * Fantastic Four #288:Controlling the body of another man, Doctor Doom fights The Fantastic Four and the Beyonder.

Brazilian Man (talk) 19:47, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Fantastic Four #507: Here it's revealed that doctor Doom can send his mind not only from his orginal body, but also do it from previously controlled ones to others.

 * First off, the constant hostility has to stop, you petty little troll. Second, If you'd done that in the FIRST place, we would have not had this problem; instead you kept insisting that because you knew it to be true, it must go in. That's not how Wikipedia works, and given that you were using shifting IPs, instead of your registered account, it's clear to me you knew you were avoiding policy. Now, incorporate that material, using your account, responsibly into the article, add the category, and go brag about how great you think you are in your own mind to someone who cares. All I ever asked for was citation, which you were incredibly opposed to providing.ThuranX (talk) 20:21, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

 * NO... NO... and NO! I know I made several mistakes. But, first, you hadn't asked me for issues, but you told me that the reason for removing the article from the category was because you think maybe his mental power had its source in the Doom's magic powers. Please let me remind you:

 * No. He may have a magical spell that let him do that for a given story

 * ...if at all, was magic, not telepathic

 * Later, you said that it wasn't an inherent power, and explained the rule which you claim you didn't make up, and which says "the character must use his power more than once, otherwise, such ability cannot even be mentioned"

 * How many times hs (has) this power been used? Once? Not enough

 * No, because we don't include every power that was used in one story years ago, and never brought up again

 * But I proved to you that you were totally and completely wrong, because you saw that Doom used it several times. And, about the hostility, do you remember when I tried to use the official site as an issue?

 * Hahaha how funny

 * It was funny, wasn't it? You laughed at me, didn't you? It was not my fault, because I just thought you would laugh at me once more. Brazilian Man (talk) 18:41, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

The Truth Is, the Truth Hurts.Brazilian Man (talk) 17:00, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Onslaught battle
There's no details about Doom's fight (along with several Marvel's heroes) against Onslaught at the article.Brazilian Man (talk) 13:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Box image
This is parsing hairs, and I may be off, but I I believe that box image of Doom, is actually Kristoff Vernard (which is revealed in the following issue). -Sharp962 (talk) 18:45, 20 August 2009 (UTC).

Silver Surfer's secondary villain
(If you are "You Know Who", I'd love to prevent you from editing this section, but unfortunately I'm not at my talk page. But please try to keep yourself as far as you can from it anyway.)

I noticed that Doom's article is within Silver Surfer template, as a secondary enemy. If that's so, he can be considered an Iron Man's secondary enemy also, because he fought Iron Man several times, much more than he did against other Marvel Heroes like Spider-Man, Hulk or X-Men. I'd like to know if I am "authorized" to put his article at Iron Man's template.Brazilian Man (talk) 16:20, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Recent Edits
While I agree that the previous state of the character history section was way out of hand, I believe the article may have been edited too much. For example, the article currently--in regards to Doom's history--stops at 2006, ignoring the last 3 years of the characters depictions and character development. Significant things to the Marvel Universe as a whole (such as Doom joining Osborn's Cabal) should be mentioned.

I fear DCincarnate may have been too overzealous in his cuts (and major cuts should really be discussed first on the talk page). I can only guess in an effort to bring the article up to good article level as the GA Review earlier on this page indicates. However, it should be noted that the review said to rewrite those sections, not remove them completely. While I appreciate DCincarnate's attempts to improve the article, he seems to removing information solely because he feels it's irrelevant without discussing such major edits with the community first.

24.190.34.219 (talk) 05:28, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Merge back AV and IOM articles
Setting up the discussion section since the editor proposing the merges hasn't provided a reason for the merges. - J Greb (talk) 19:40, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

 * They are useless. Other Media article contain unnecessary plot details of movies and cartoons. Same goes for Other Versions article; too much fictional padding. I had trimmed IOM material down and culled least significant OV appearances - way too many. DCincarnate (talk) 22:54, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Few things:
 * The culling was of the "least significant OV appearances" in your opinion.
 * Reasonable in story information is useful unless the article for the comic book story, series, TV show, film, or whatever provides better coverage of the character's use in that work.
 * Reasonable is not limited to a bullet point or "Dr Doom appeared in this laundry list of television shows." Such items tend to look like deletable trivia instead of helpful encyclopedia content.
 * Whether the IOM and AV are sections or stand alone articles, if a sub-section is pointing to another article as a primary, then Main should be used.
 * - J Greb (talk) 00:12, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

 * The culling was of the "least significant OV appearances" in your opinion.

 * Doctor Doom's brief one-panel no-dialogue appearance in JLA/Avengers is not significant.

 * Reasonable in story information is useful unless the article for the comic book story, series, TV show, film, or whatever provides better coverage of the character's use in that work.

 * That is the case here. The movie/cartoon sections are nothing but plotcruft. The layman can read about the character's role in the 2005 Fantastic Four film's own article. The Other Media section should provide a brief overview of the character's appearances.

 * Reasonable'' is not limited to a bullet point or "Dr Doom appeared in this laundry list of television shows." Such items tend to look like deletable trivia instead of helpful encyclopedia content.

 * Extensive plot details are not helpful encyclopedia content. DCincarnate (talk) 12:03, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

I didn't make either of the IOM and AV articles, however I was the one that removed the lists from this page and left only the re-directs. I don't care whether those articles are merged back or not. I simply noticed that those two articles exist. As those two articles exist, there is no reason to list anything on this page as everything is listed in more detail in their respective articles. In fact, the only reason why anyone would have created those articles in the first place is to free up space in this article. To bullet new lists here would be going against this not to mention make it more confusing for people looking up the info as they now have an article and a section to read and make it more difficult for editors adding new examples. As long as those articles exist, all that should be in those sections in the main Doom article is a) the re-direct b) a short paragraph or sentence explaining something like Doom has had lots of other appearances c) if an example is particularly notable -- note I said notable as per Wiki standards, not any one editors opinion, so notability would have to be proven -- then and only then could a short paragraph be added to the main Doom page explaining why that particular appearance was notable. 24.190.34.219 (talk) 00:41, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

 * Against merge When there is too much information to fit on a page, you create side articles for it. No sense trying to jam all of that back together, or mass delete valid content some would enjoy reading.   D r e a m Focus  19:01, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

 * It's not too much info. DCincarnate (talk) 10:44, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * DCincarnate is responsible for more than half the article being deleted already it seems. Having two side articles to hold information some would find interesting to read, and believe is worth having, makes sense.  Merging it to the main article would increase the size greatly, and result in that just being deleted by someone anyway.  By merge, did you mean to say delete the other two articles, and have just a token amount  if anything at all copied over to the main article?   D r e a m Focus  16:30, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

 * Yes. DCincarnate (talk) 17:52, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

 * Well, if that's your case, in that you want the two articles deleted and only some of the info in the main article, you have to prove notability for the examples you want in the main article. If you can't prove notability (not just opinion) for those examples, there's no reason they should be kept/moved to the main article over all the other examples you want deleted.24.190.34.219 (talk) 03:29, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

 * I have already covered the Other Media article. The Other Versions stuff perhaps need some further discussion. DCincarnate (talk) 14:22, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

 * I tested it on this article which you can see what it looks like on the history page and I vote Merge for other media but Unmerge for other versions for it is too large. In other media looked fine and it defianetly looks OK if you trim it like in the articles Rhino and Scarecrow. Jhenderson777 (talk) 19:05, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Section 1980s-1990s
He also genuinely cares for his people of Latveria, who in turn are devoted to their leader; returning to Latveria after being temporarily deposed...

I'd like to say that Doom actually doesn't care about the latverians (though they think he does) or his henchmen, because the punishment for his men's failures is death, as you can see here and here.Brazilian Man (talk) 17:31, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

 * I would think he does, he just happens to like power more. :) p.s. Why does the Unthinkable story arc have such a significant portion of the article? This arc was not very popular and is not commonly thought of as an accurate characteristation of the good Doctor. --194.106.137.50 (talk) 13:08, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Power Suit/Armor?
The article on Powered exoskeletons states that Dr. Doom uses one. I don't think this is correct, at least not in the same definition of a power suit as one like Iron Man or of The Centurions.

I'd just assumed he was horribly disfigured, had metalic skin, and super power, but not that he was wearing it (as augmentation would then be classified in the realm of being a cyborg... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.153.29.23 (talk) 04:50, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * His is powered by magic. The monks helped make it for him.   D r e a m Focus  04:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Doom Toys really do exist!
Doom had a Doom cycle. Should we link to pictures of the toys in the article where they are mentioned? I search the official Marvel website and can't find them mentioned there, but there are pictures of them elsewhere.  D r e a m Focus  04:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Dr. Doom and the Masters of Evil
... is not part of the regular 616-continuity. The references in the canon character history should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.113.233.79 (talk) 16:08, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Copyedit request

 * Not really sure what Philg88 was thinking here, but I'm starting a copyedit as discussed with the requester, Jhenderson777. Maybe in a collaborative effort we can address whatever other issues Philg88 was concerned about.  Regards  Peter S Strempel  |  Talk   04:15, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

The title
Given that the title of the page is Doctor Doom, should the opening read -
 * Doctor Doom, also known as Victor von Doom

Leave it to you, Jhenderson777.

Also in the precis (lede, lead, intro, summary) is the word archenemy, which I split into arch enemy, that being the conventional formulation. An equally valid alternative would be arch-enemy, but I opted for the former for simplicity's sake. Regards Peter S Strempel  |  Talk   04:42, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Creation and development section copy edit proposal
Jhenderson 777, In dealing with the sections from History and development onwards, I sometimes found it difficult to follow the prose, which assumes a level of understanding about comic book genre that, perhaps, shouldn't be assumed. In addition, I was sometimes lost in the narrative itself. For that reason, and the possible reasons for Philg88's clarification template, rather than attempting a piecemeal edit the way I normally do, I propose a more fundamental re-write for readability and concision. That proposal follows. If you don't like it, or I got it wrong, or you want to change it, please do so. I won't make any changes to the relevant section(s) unless and until you agree they are warranted or desirable. The first proposed re-write is the section Creation and development —

 * Like many of Marvel's characters from the mid 1950s to the early 1970s, known as the Silver Age of comic books, Doctor Doom was conceived by writer Stan Lee and artist Jack Kirby as a nemesis for the popular Fantastic Four title. Lee wrote that he and Kirby were trying to dream up a "soul-stirring…super sensational new villain."[3] In considering a name, Lee latched onto "Doctor Doom" as "eloquent in its simplicity — magnificent in its implied menace."[3]

 * Because of deadline pressures on the creative team, the character was not given a full origin story in his debut,[3] but Fantastic Four leader Reed Richards mentions that Doom scarred his face during an attempt to contact the Netherworld at Richards' university, for which Doom was expelled. Richards suggests that Doom was last heard of searching Tibet for magical secrets.  Two years later, in the Fantastic Four Annual #2,[4] Lee established Doom as the son of gypsies, born decades ago in Latveria when it was ruled by an unnamed nobleman called 'the Baron'. Doom's father tried to hide from him the fact that his mother was a witch, but Doom finds her occult instruments after his father dies from exposure after hiding from the Baron's men, who are hunting him for failing to cure the Baron's wife from a mortal illness.  Doom swears revenge for his father's death, grows into a brilliant and headstrong man, is offered a place at the Empire State University[5], and is thus transported into the orbit of Reed Richards of the Fantastic Four.  At the university Richards warns Doom about conducting dangerous experiments to contact the dead but Doom ignores him and causes the explosion that scars his face and leads to his expulsion.  During travels in Tibet he is found by monks who teach him their disciplines and make him their master.  In this Tibetan exile Doom fashions his trademark armor, and the mask only he can remove.[5]

 * Jack Kirby modelled Doom after the Grim Reaper representation of Death, with the armor signifying the skeleton: "It was the reason for the armor and the hood. Death is connected with armor and the inhuman-like steel (Vibranium-on level with Adamantium-caps shield is only other Vibranium in marvel universe). Death is something without mercy, and human flesh contains that mercy."[6] Kirby described Doom as being "paranoid", tortured by his twisted face and wanting to re-fashion the the whole world in his image.[6] Kirby went on to say that "Doom is an evil person, but he's not always been evil. He was [respected]... but but through a flaw in his own character, he was a perfectionist."[7] At one point in the 1970s Kirby drew his impression of what Doom would look like under the mask, giving Doom only "a tiny scar on his cheek."[8] Due to this slight imperfection, Doom hides his face not from the world, but from himself.[8] According to Kirby, this is the motivation for Doom's vengefulness against the world.[7] Typical of Lee's written characterization of Doom is his arrogance and pride, which lead to Doom's disfigurement by his own machine, and to the failures of many of his schemes.[9]

 * Despite the fact that the Fantastic Four fought various villains repeatedly, such as the Mole Man, Skrulls, the Miracle Man, and Namor the Sub-Mariner, Doctor Doom developed into their arch nemesis.[10]

 * During the 1970s, Doom branched out to more Marvel titles, with a battle between Doom and Prince Rudolfo over control of Latveria being featured in Astonishing Tales.[11] Doom also attempts to use the Hulk as his slave during two issues of The Incredible Hulk.[12] He made several appearances in the story arcs of Super-Villain Team-Up, starting in 1975, as well as appearances in Marvel Team-Up, beginning with issue #42 (February 1976). During that time, Doom's origin was further fleshed out to give him a childhood companion, Valeria, and it was revealed that his mother, Cynthia von Doom, had sold her soul to Mephisto (the Devil).[13]

Over to you Jhenderson777. Regards Peter S Strempel  |  Talk   05:53, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

I was having a browse through GOCE and thought I'd poke my nose in. I think the last paragraph should be worded slightly differently, so it sounds more product based rather than sounding a little "in-universe-y".

 * During the 1970s, Doom was featured in other Marvel titles such as Astonishing Tales, where he and Prince Rudolfo fought for control over Latveria [11] and 2 issues of The Incredible Hulk, where he attempts to enslave the Hulk. Doom also featured in Super-Villain Team-up (1975) and Marvel Team-up from issue #42 (February 1976). During that time, Doom's background was further developed with the addition of a childhood companion, Valeria, and the revelation that his mother, Cynthia von Doom had sold her soul to Mephisto (the Devil). [13]

Just my two cents. --Blackmane (talk) 00:16, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Dr Doom's Doom
In a 1960's animated version of Spiderman the Main villian was Dr Doom-who in the last episode is destroyed by his own Doom Ray! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.83.72.154 (talk) 13:38, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Sweeping Changes A.K.A. None Shall Escape the Scrutiny of DOOM!
I'm going to start rigorously going through this article and address

a) The rambling, tag-on sentences that got this tagged as "in-universe" b) Odd grammar c) Opinions and perceptions disguised as factual information

For C, I will attempt to add missing citations, but will cut things for which I have no appropriate reference. Please do not take this personally; I welcome additional information with proper citations.

For A, I must stress to other contributors that this is at least pretends to be an encyclopedic entry, so if you must add fun facts about our favorite ironclad tyrant, I ask that you consider whether or not they provide necessary information, or at least think about putting them a new section.

I look forward to working with everyone and bringing the reign of the great Victor von Doom to this pitiful internet encyclopedia.

FACE7 (talk) 03:10, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Latveria
Why does it say in the first line that Latveria is in Los Angeles? That doesn't make any sense but is that true? And I can't find anything, anywhere else on the internet that says his name is "Doctor Doom not of Latveria," so where is the evidence that the "not of Latveria" is part of his name? ...because it's confusing. Also, "Latveria" is linked at least four times in the first paragraph... I don't think it's supposed to be done that way.

Iminrainbows (talk) 22:13, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

can we have a list of appearances please?
I realize the character has been around forever and a day, but a comprehensive list of his appearances would increase the usefulness of this entry immensely. Someone should get one started. It would be a great help in getting cross-referencing underway too. Thetrellan (talk) 01:57, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Infobox image
The infobox image of Doctor Doom, aside from appearing with cluttered foreground and background, is inappropriate for an encyclopedia article in that he is presented out of proportion and appears to be a giant. It's a dramatic image, but we're not supposed to use images decoratively. Rather, we have to use them educationally. We could say "shown symbolically as a giant" in the caption, but that misses the point — which is that we need a plain, informative image of him. --Tenebrae (talk) 21:39, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 13:34, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Fictional character biography
Granted, Doom has had a long career in the comics, but so have Batman and Spider-Man, and their fictional bios are nowhere near as long. This needs a desperate trim to weed out insanely overdetailed, sometimes panel-by-panel plot descriptions. I'm glad to talk tackle it, but it's a big job and I'm hoping some of my fellow WPC editors can help. --Tenebrae (talk) 21:14, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

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New Neutral Image
Victor Von Doom has been a heroic character since the events of 2015's Secret Wars, becoming a superhero himself following the events of 2016's Civil War II. Therefore, I believe the most appropriate image to use on the main page is the following image:

Victor Von Doom is the third character to take on the mantle of Iron Man, following Tony Stark and James Rhodes ( Riri Williams is Ironheart, nor Iron Man ). This image portrays the look of both the classic villainous version of Doom and the newer post-Secret Wars heroic version of Doom. Does anybody have any reasons that this image is not suited for this article?

Impending_IP (talk) 18:43, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

 * Not as a lead image but it could probably fit in the body. I recommend commentary though. Also free use images don't belong on the talk pages though. Jhenderson  7 7 7  19:01, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Rename Page
This page should be renamed Victor Von Doom.

The reason for this?

As revealed in the pages of Infamous Iron Man, Victor is no longer known as "Doctor Doom", and doesn't refer to himself as such.

Proof:

Impending_IP (talk) 23:20, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

 * I oppose per WP:Commonname and WP:Recentism. That's like changing the name of Doctor Octopus to Otto Octavius becuase he was Spider-Man for awhile. Jhenderson  7 7 7  18:51, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

 * I oppose per WP:Commonname and WP:Recentism. This seems a WP:SNOWBALL, and I've never said that before. --Tenebrae (talk) 21:53, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

 * I also oppose the change, as the current title is the one most commonly used. David A (talk) 06:37, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Edit warring sockpuppet
User:Impending IP, also editing as 86.43.187.228, continues to edit-war to reinsert inappropriate edits that at least two editors have reverted over the past few days. He appears to be slow-motion edit-warring in a transparent attempt to avoid WP:3RR, and if he reverts once more, I will report him for 3RR and explain the slow-motion circumstances. He has been warned on his talk page and has decided to take a contentious attitude and refuses to discuss the issue on this talk page. --Tenebrae (talk) 18:51, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

I think he edited the page again and I dont know how to revert it and wikipedia doesnt have a button to flag the page but it pretty much just says Dr Doom is really gay all over the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:601:9600:25D0:8491:1630:9E36:E318 (talk) 18:10, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Infobox image
The infobox image violates many of the guidelines, which specify a clean, clear image of the character's best-known look, with no distracting background. Before replacing the image, I'd like other editors to weigh in. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:09, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Character with most appearances
"in his constant battles with heroes and other villains, Doctor Doom has appeared more times than any other character" - this suggests that Doom has appeared in more total issues than any other Marvel character; there is no way this can be true. Doom cannot possibly have appeared in more comics than Spider-Man, who at one time was appearing in four series every single month as well as guest spots, etc -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:32, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Image deletion nomination(s)
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Sincerely, The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 01:30, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Alma mater
Both this and Cynthia Von Doom's page refer to Empire State University as the university Doctor Doom attended (before being expelled). Other sources, however, clarify that it's in fact a separate university: State University, in Hegeman. Are there any definitive sources showing which is correct? Or, is it that at the time of the character's conception, or throughout its publication history, the details have simply changes / been ambiguous? Rovack (talk) 21:10, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

"I've always wanted power. Now I have an unlimited supply." listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect I&. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 16 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 06:28, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

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