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Talk:Belle and Sebastian

Comparision confirmation
I'm hearing from musical historian that B&S are reminisent of Fairport Convention, is this true? --ConradKilroy 21:01, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Some of their folkier stuff could possibly be compared to FC. I dunno though; FC often had pretty intricate arrangements, and sounded a lot like traditional English folk music, which is a sound that B&S haven't explored very much. I'd say the comparison is a little dubious. For sure, though, nobody in the band has the pipes of Richard Thompson. ;) wilhelm 15:43, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

And Vs. &
Editing in Simple Minds to the list of Scottish bands

Hey, Tokerboy: Tigermilk, If You're Feeling Sinister, Lazy Line Painter Jane, Dog on Wheels, and Legal Man all say and. Danny P.S. Storytelling too.
 * If it's official, go ahead and move it back, though I wouldn't trust album covers alone necessarily. I capriciously move bands to the ampersand in order to have a standard and because most bands don't have an official method of writing it -- if this is an exception, I have no problems with it being at Belle and Sebastian. Tokerboy

 * It's not official, other albums do use the ampersand. I just wonder what people would be more likely to look up. Danny
 * I dunno--that's why I always make a redirect. Really it doesn't matter as long as one leads to another, it's just nice to have a community standard to minimize the use of redirects as much as possible. The exact methods of writing groups like Guns n Roses, Bone-Thugz-N-Harmony, etc, etc are many and varied, and have a tendency to spawn multiple, competing articles unless it is nipped in the bud with the judicious and wise use of redirect pages.  Tokerboy

 * Tigermilk - And
 * If You're Feeling Sinister - And
 * Dog On Wheels - &
 * Lazy Line Painter Jane - And
 * The Boy With The Arab Strap - &
 * Modern Rock Song - And
 * Fold Your Hands Child - &
 * Legan Man - And
 * Jonathan David - &
 * I'm Waking Up To Us - &
 * Storytelling - And
 * Fans Only DVD - &
 * Step Into My Office - And
 * Dear Catastrophe Waitress - &
 * I'm A Cuckoo - And
 * Books - And
 * Push Barman - And
 * If You're Feeling Sinsiter (live) - &
 * The Life Persuit - And

That's 11 'And's and 8 '&'s, obviously not enough to make a decision either way so I think it would be best to follow the Wikipedia guidelines and move it back to Belle & Sebastian.

"Unless you know otherwise, the word and in band names is always an ampersand (&), as in Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers, Jan & Dean, Richard Hell & the Voidoids"

 * From the official website: A. Whichever looks better in any situation is right. For my iPod I went for ampersands all the way, cos I like them. Sarah - 07/10/05 http://www.belleandsebastian.com/qasearchk.php?searchterm=ampersand
 * So the band are not fussed whichever is used, therefore the Wiki standards should be used. Is that correct? --SaltyWater 01:12, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. Just as their website is inconsistent, Newsbank (UK and world newspaper archive) produces 102 pages of results for "Belle and Sebastian", 63 pages for "Belle & Sebastian", so clearly both are acceptable. Go, then, with the Wikipedia guideline: & Tearlach 05:14, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

 * The Wikipedia guideline (which itself differs from reality; see Jan nad Dean; image on Tom Petty) says unles syou know differnt. In this case, we do. Andy Mabbett 09:10, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Um, no we don't - that was just proved. B&S allow either, and the WP standard is &. Folkor 19:00, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Where are you guys getting the idea that the Wikipedia guideline is to use the ampersand? There's nothing written about the ampersand on Naming conventions (music). —Lowellian (reply) 13:00, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Singles or EPs?
Are we drawing a distinction between singles and eps, and if so, what exactly is the distinction? Is it a single if its title matches the title of one of the songs? Or is it based on track count (<=3; >=4)? kevinb9n

I've edited so that records where the record title matches the title of the first track are listed as singles, and other records which were eligible to appear in the singles chart are listed as EPs. Initially (ie, up to and including This Is Just A Modern Rock Song), all the band's singles and EPs had four tracks; they changed to three when the UK singles chart stopped including records with more than three different tracks. SleepyCaitlin
 * There's an inconsistency, though. If you go to the wikipedia entries for what are called their singles in this article, (Jonathan David, Legal Man, etc.) they are listed as being EPs there.
 * I'd say Legal Man and all afterwards are singles (except Books). --SaltyWater 19:26, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

What's the Source?
The article states that B&S were voted best band in Scotland, but fails to mention what organization conducted the poll.
 * It's from a poll conducted by The List, a Scottish music magazine - I've gadded that in now. Lawful Hippo 18:48, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Groovy

Matador cite + trivia added
I was surprised to see that the entry had no reference to Belle & Sebastian's U.S. involvement with Matador Records, so I added the info as a parenthetical aside next to the info about the move from Jeepster to Rough Trade. I also added info about Storytelling and Belle & Sebastian references on U.S. TV shows as evidence of the band's growing influence and fame on American shores. Andrewjnyc 19:12, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Twee pop vs. Indie vs. Pop
Why do people keep reverting the band's lead-in to say just pop or indie instead of twee pop? Twee pop is the most accurate representation I can think of for the band, and it's been that way in this article for as long as I can remember. If someone could present some actual arguments as to why the band isn't twee, that'd be great. Otherwise I'll just keep reverting people's edits. Folkor 09:05, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I'll accept 194.80.21.10's compromise. Folkor 16:58, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, the word "twee" has acquired semipejorative connotations as an adjective meaning something that is overly and /or self-consciously cute. For that reason, the label could be misread as dismissive toward the band. In addition, a lot of B&S material has a "classical" pop sound to it that makes it seem inappropriate to shoehorn them into a subgenre like "twee". The Life Pursuit, for example, feels to me more like Arthur/Village Green Preservation Society-era Kinks than it does anything I'd call twee.--Andrewjnyc 22:39, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't and can't categorise music, but my 2cents... B&S have never striked me as twee. Soft, they may frequently be, but they've always had balls. That's not very twee. SaltyWater 01:16, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I was making the mistake of mostly making my judgment solely on "If You're Feeling Sinister", which is kind of twee. However, now with a copy of the new album on my hands, and a deeper understanding of the rest of the band's catalogue, I think you guys are right. I was looking for some discussion, which I have received. Thanks. Folkor 07:45, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

When a band has a catalogue as extensive as Belle & Sebastian's, what kind of utter bozo claims to be an authority on "the most accurate" description of their music based on a judgment "solely" formed from listening to one album? I don't so much object to the word "twee" as to the false impression that someone is making knowledgeable pronouncements when really that person has no clue. Matt, 8 March, 2006

 * Woah, dude, I said sorry. I made a mistake and I apologized. As I said, I wanted some discussion on the topic, since different people (usually IPs, not registered users) would change twee to indie, and never give a reason. I then wanted other people's opinions, which I got, and then I backed down. I mean, IYFS is probably the band's best known album, and some of their other work is a bit twee too. However, I agree that the band isn't twee on the whole - thus my retraction. Again, I'm sorry; if you have a problem with me reverting edits that have no explanation from IPs that go against my previous knowledge, please just say I need to do more research instead of insulting me. Folkor 06:32, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I reworded it to mention the application of 'twee pop' only to their early music. I think you'd find it very hard to call more than a handful of tracks from DCW or TLP that sound even a little twee. TLP, in particular, is not twee at all. I think this is a fair enough change but feel free to discuss / change back. 121.44.98.174 15:33, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

 * I don't think that Belle and Sebastian should be considered as twee, like you said. I think Indie rock is a lot more appropriate label for them. 71.105.192.51 (talk) 04:22, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

"Geek rock"
Someone keeps adding something saying B&S are "geek rock". What a load of bullshit. I think its fair to remove any future edits as such. Notice that B&S don't actually fit into the description on the geek rock article. SaltyWater 23:15, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I had noticed that. I wonder what a "sexually muddled" sound is like?  --ajn (talk) 23:18, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Category:Belle & Sebastian releases up for CfD
Intention is to merge these to Category:Belle & Sebastian albums.

People should make their thoughts known on the Categories for deletion page (search the page for it, it isn't directly linked). --DaveG12345 01:28, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Twee/Indie > Chamber
I went ahead and changed all the tags on the B&S albums/comps to "Chamber" from "Twee" or "Indie" because there seemed to be a consensus. Mchmike 04:34, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * What the fuck does "chamber" mean? SaltyWater 14:07, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Chamber from Chamber pop. Pop music that contains elements of baroque/chamber musicianship--small arrangements for strings, etc. MKV 15:52, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you find some sources please. SaltyWater 20:12, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree we need some sources, I've never heard of this genre until today. Catchpole 20:22, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * A quick search:
 * etc. MKV 20:44, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Splitting up History
I think the History section is getting a little unwieldy and should be split into subsections. It would go pretty comfortably into Yes? No? Other organization schemes?
 * Formation and Rise to Notoriety (formation through 3...6...9)
 * Continued Success on Jeepster (Arab Strap through Campbell's departure)
 * Rough Trade Period (Dear Catastrophe Waitress till now).

3 days later: I'll take that silence as agreement, so I'm just going to go ahead and divide it up.

Dan Slimmon 22:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Cas(s)aco Marron
I'm the one who added the "Cas(s)aco Marron" single info... and yet I'm confused. The cover of the single spells it with one S, and while I don't have the "LateNightTales" CD case handy, I believe that does too. And yet I'm pretty sure the original song is rightly spelled with two S's; B&S/Azuli just messed up. Which spelling should we be using? Charolastra charolo 05:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * LateNightTales spells it with two S's.71.171.201.127 06:20, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

This is a very odd intro to the article
Justification for whether they should be characterised x or y. whats that got to do with their 12 year career and influence ? The intro article should sum up what they've done, impact, how they've changed, ? By the way. not that it matters but audio galaxy classify them as Folk Rock, Indie Rock, Chamber Pop, Indie Pop, Modern Rock...not just chamber pop. Jem 13:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * My thoughts exactly --sparkl!sm  talk 22:45, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes most of the wikipedia articles suffer from this tremendous shortcoming, where people try to classify music as if its food or something... This article is especially ridiculous in that respect. For instance, if someone wants to expand on the similarites between Bob Dylan, Love, and B&S, I'd love to hear it. Trefalcon (talk) 00:56, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

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Member list
Why have it in the intro and the box?? 147.136.249.101 03:08, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair use - Discography
The use of images not in compliance with our fair-use criteria or our policy on nonfree content is not appropriate, and the images have been removed. Please do not restore them. -- Merope 18:37, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The image on the cover illustrates the text in the article about the artist and album, and does not serve a merely decorative purpose. Therefore, Non-free content criteria #8 does not apply, as illustrating the album cover is significant. I don't think #2a applies either, as the album covers are only used once on this article. In my opinion, the album covers should remain up, but then again, I’m no expert on fair use. —Christopher Mann McKayuser talk 20:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

What Happened?
This article used to be really good--and quite thorough. What happened to it?71.171.201.127 06:17, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You can access the article's history here. —Christopher Mann McKaytalk 06:29, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

GA review

 * GA review (see here for criteria)

So, after taking a long hard look at the article i noticed the obvious; it's mostly written by fans and it sometimes fails to have a neutral point of view.
 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * It charted at a modest #59 in the UK singles chart. Modest according to who? Other people could say that they were overrated.
 * While often cited by critics as the band's best album, Arab Strap has nonetheless had its detractors Finally something negative!, but then it stops there. Detractors? like what? care to expand?
 * The Boy With the Arab Strap and critical acclaim (1998-2002) The only ref to a positive review i see in that section is from a unknown (at least to me) Australian journalist. That's not good enough to say that they were "critically acclaimed".
 * As the band's popularity and recognition was growing worldwide, their music... Wow!, really? did their sales worldwide augmented? Did lots of artists recongized B&S's influence on their work?
 * I know that to both of these comments you'll want to argue "but they won a BRIT award!". That award doesn't mean they are popular worldwide, and as it is given by the public it doesn't give the band "critical acclaim".

 * has been hailed as one of the great songs of all time. I'm afraid this needs more than one reference.
 * in Recent years it says that they had a string of mediocre releases and that two albums were poorly-received . But according to the previous section, during the release of those albums they were critically acclaimed and had won recognition worldwide, so which one is it?.
 * played a historic show That's a bit too much, even if the harp magazine journalist said so.
 * In the lead section it's mentioned that they have been compared to The Smiths and Bob Dylan, but this is not mentioned again. I thought a lot of bands (Camera Obscura (band), Kings of Convenience, The Magic Numbers, Snowpatrol) considered B&S as influencial to their work, maybe this could be added to the article's main body?

Overall The sections before recent years need to be cleaned up, it has way too many opinions. There has to be a balance between the positive reviews and the band's failure in reaching the mainstream. The article will be on hold for seven days.-Yamanbaiia 16:35, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Thank you for the review! I'll get to work on implementing your recommendations. I do admit that I am a B&S fan; however, while I've done a lot of work to the article trying to get it to GA, I didn't write the original article, so that's where a lot of the weasel-y words and phrases come from. One problem with the article is that Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like a Peasant and Storytelling are really the only poorly-received albums released by the band. That might sound like a fan talking, but try to find a negative review of Boy With the Arab Strap or their first two albums; it's certainly no easy task. The book that I found (The Overrated Book) also knocks The Beastie Boys, Bauhaus, Beck and the Beatles (!), and that's just on the same page! The guy quite clearly went to his local record store and went through the bands alphabetically, giving them all bad reviews. But I digress. :) (Actually, I just remembered that Pitchfork gave Arab Strap a terrible review, I'll include that.)

 * As for "in Recent years it says that they had a string of mediocre releases and that two albums were poorly-received . But according to the previous section, during the release of those albums they were critically acclaimed and had won recognition worldwide, so which one is it?." the "string of mediocre releases" refers to FYHCYWLAP and Storytelling. I thought that that was clear but obviously I was wrong, so I'll try to clean it up. Oh, and as for the BRIT award, I'm an American, so I couldn't care less about that. :) I assume it's like a Grammy and, if so, it means even less as far as I'm concerned.

 * I've also been trying to come up with a section discussing their legacy and the influence they've had on other bands, per a recommendation on my talk page. Hopefully I'll have something in the next couple of days. Cheers, faithless   (speak)  22:22, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm a HUGE fan myself, that's why i know the press loves them. But there should be a comment somewhere about their style and the kind of public they have, because if they are the best of the best how come no one knows them?. If you are fan you know that B&S are not super-popular, most people would even consider them "naptime music" bordering suicidal when listening for the first time.
 * If those albums were poorly received that would reflect on their sales, but that's probably hard to reference.
 * If you don't have time to do so much in a week i'll just fail it and then you can take your time fixing it before renominating. Yamanbaiia 18:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

The article is still not neutral, so i am failing it. If you think i'm mistaken feel free to ask for a reassessment. -Yamanbaiia (talk) 14:39, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

This article reads like it's from the fan club or the label's marketing department. Playing with the Shins is "historic"? Not to me... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.15.202.84 (talk) 06:24, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sigh...why don't you check the source? That's where the word 'historic' comes from. Furthermore, the fact that the Shins opened is incidental - you're taking it out of context. The source describes B&S playing with the Los Angeles Philharmonic as being historic; the opening band is irrelevant. faithless   (speak)  21:56, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Juno Soundtrack
I believe that some reference should be made to their inclusion to the Juno soundtrack, as it adds to their notability per WP:NMG. It was noted in the article until it was recently taken off by User:Faithlessthewonderboy, giving the reason of "...Their songs have been featured in many films, there's no reason to mention them all..." As a big fan of Belle and Sebastian, I can not recall "many films" that they have been featured in, but if I am wrong, please tell me...still, Juno is an immensely popular movie, Oscar nominated might I add, so i do believe that it is more than notable to add to the article...

I would also like to add that the previous version of the article that did have a mention of the Juno soundtrack did not mention both songs that were featured in the soundtrack...more specifically, it mentioned the song "Expectations" but did not mention "Piazza, New York Catcher." Fanofranz (talk) 13:52, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Belle and Sebastian do not need to prove their notability. Their music has featured in numerous films and tv series - if you look back in the history of this article you will find a list. If you want to include this information, a better place for it would be in the Juno (soundtrack) article or the article on the album the songs features in. Catchpole (talk) 15:19, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I just see it as necessary because it shows their inclusion into more popular American media, where the other films have been an obscure British TV series, High Fedility (although a popular movie, it also references around thirty other bands), or Storytelling, an arguably obscure movie whose only claims to fame is B&S creating the entire soundtrack for, see Storytelling (album), and being amongst a list of 1000 best movies compiled by the New York Times, 1000 is a huge number of movies i might add. It also continues the 2003-Present Section, to the effect that the only previous information about is the (fantastic) Colours Are Brighter album in 2006. This might lead some to believe that the band has been doing nothing since this album; which would be pretense as they have been featured in a "major indie" film. Fanofranz (talk) 13:25, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Having a song on a movie soundtrack is not a big deal, especially for a band as big as B&S. They have also appeared in The Devil Wears Prada, One Tree Hill, Shallow Hal, The Ringer, etc. Listing all these does nothing for the article, it's unimportant trivia. faithless  (speak)  17:37, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It should definitely be mentioned. You've only got to look at their last.fm page and see how being on the Juno soundtrack affected their most played songs, also Juno's soundtrack was a much noted aspect of it's acclaim and a more successful film than any other which had previously featured B&S songs. Petepetepetepete (talk) 17:35, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

"It Could Have Been a Brilliant Career"
In the history section of the article, it is mentioned that "It Could Have Been a Brilliant Career" has been hailed as one of the great songs of all time, and a source is referenced. That's wonderful, but it's a red link, so how "great" is this song really? It seems to be giving undue importance to this one source - could we get some perspective on this? --Leviel (talk) 17:57, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Everything was a red link at some point. :) When I wrote that, I was just trying to include critical responses to B&S's work. Indeed, I've included every descent reference I've been able to find, positive and negative. The trouble is, B&S being the critical darlings they are, there aren't very many negative reviews out there, which leads to the article seeming a bit overtly-positive. :) faithless   (speak)  19:02, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Listen, what one guy said in his book about the song does not make it a 'Hailing'. Besides, he wrote about 1001 great songs, not exactly an exclusive list. This phrase is absurd and should be removed. Trefalcon (talk) 01:03, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * First, saying 'listen' like that can be taken the wrong way. I'm sure you didn't mean anything by it, but just keep in mind the tone you use when talking to other editors. Second, someone describing the song as one of the greatest of all time is the definition of 'hailing.' Third, when one considers the millions (billions?) of songs that have been recorded throughout history, a list of 1001 is quite exclusive. faithless   (speak)  01:11, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I've changed the wording of the sentence to mention who specifically said this (Toby Creswell), thereby taking care of any WP:UNDUE concerns. faithless  (speak)  23:00, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

The sentence may now be factually correct and conform to wikipedia rules because of how it has been worded but that still does not make it relevant. 1001 songs may be quite exclusive in the context of every song ever written but in the context of songs that this one particular journalist has heard often enough to form a firm opinion on it is a huge number. Of the 1000 other songs in the book I can find only one (referenced) example of another wikipedia page making note of this apparent accolade - that is for Mudhoney's Touch Me I'm Sick where it is included in a list of sources where the song as been hailed as one of the best ever. Articles for three other songs use the book as a reference; but only for sourcing other information and they do not even bother mentioning its inclusion in this book as a great song. It Could Have Been a Brilliant Career is a minor blip in a substantial career for this band so I feel that to draw attention to this one song is an irrelevance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikifhein (talk • contribs) 12:03, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with above poster and would like to point out the likelihood that every song ever played on the radio has been hailed as 'the best song ever!' by somebody. It is entirely subjective and as such is the sort of thing you don't find in an encyclopedia. The fact that somebody put their opinion into print, doesnt make it worth repeating. faithless, I think you're definiton of a 'hailing' needs to be revised. If the song was praised in every other music magazine upon its release, and specifically mentioned by a bunch of respected reviewers, that would be a hailing. One guy mentioning it in a book about 1001 other songs, published years after the song came out... more like a drizzle, actually. Trefalcon (talk) 22:44, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Wikifhein - You make a valid point, though I disagree. It's important to look at the context of the sentence; the section discusses the period of B&S's career wherein they started garnering increased popular and critical acclaim. During this time, a noteworthy music journalist wrote about a piece the band recorded, calling it one of the greatest songs ever. I can't understand how anyone could say that isn't relevant. Trefalcon - your assessment would be absolutely correct if it were just some random guy. If I wrote it (which I wouldn't, I don't particularly care for the song), it wouldn't be noteworthy. Again, what makes it noteworthy is who said it. faithless   (speak)  01:09, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry faithless but I just don't think you have a case here. It's inclusion has been questioned by me, Trefalcon and Leviel here and again called into doubt further up the page in the GA review section. You seem to be the only one defending this inclusion of yours and it is my opinion that the case against is strong enough for its removal. Wikifhein (talk) 11:57, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

New Album
A IP user from 76.172.27.37 added to the Albums section of the page "New Album (2010)". I have taken this out. there is no indication in my opinion that a new album will be released in 2010. The Belle & Sebastian email newsletter that i recieved today said "Although the hard work on the next B&S record won’t begin until next year" This gives no indication of when they'll be finished. it only says they intend to start it next year. any other opinions. Should a note to this be added to the bottom of the article. Does not seem to be anything concrete Phil Nolte (talk) 20:08, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree; even if they finish the album next year (which seems likely if that's when they start on it) it may not be released until 2011. Nick-D (talk) 07:49, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

"Fold Your Hands Child..." "Not well received?" No citation.
"Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like a Peasant" is described in the article as B&S's first top ten album in the UK. it charted at #84 in the US, yet the the article say it "was not well received." Where's the citation for this or any evidence? Not well received by whom? I believe this part of the article is biased opinion, not fact.

Azjimn2son (talk) 14:29, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

 * I don't have a source, but as an obsessed fan I can give you a bit of context. I've read reviews and had conversations about it and the theme that tends to come up is that it's not a very consistent record. It was the product of a more 'democratic' approach to the band (as opposed to Stuart having the majority of control) and consequently it's been criticised for being a bit patchy. So, the "not well received" bit is referring to critical opinion, and it means "compared to the other albums".

 * It's not that it was a bad album, it just wasn't as cohesive as what came before and after (excluding storytelling, which is sort of its own category). I still think it's a great album, personally. Some of the tracks ("I fought in a war", "Waiting for the moon to rise", "Women's realm") are among my favourite B&S songs. But I don't think it's any violation of NPOV to say that Fold Your Hands wasn't nearly as popular with critics as their other albums, I've certainly heard and read it before. You're right that it needs citation though - I'm sure some kindly soul will be able to find some reviews on the interwebs. 203.217.150.68 (talk) 07:53, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

 * I wholeheartedly agree with Azjimn2son. To start a counterpoint with "I don't have a source, but as an obsessed fan..." nullifies any unbiased referential merit.  I'm aware this is a talk page, and the opinions stated are perfectly fine for conversation sake, but Azjimn2son objects to the matter of how Wikipedia's entry declares how the album performed critically without citing sources.  Metacritic finds the album mentioned to score 68, which qualifies it as "Generally Favorable Reviews".  Thesoftbulletin82 (talk) 20:26, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Write About Love vs B&S Write About Love
Since the new album name has been revealed, I was just curious as to how people would refer to it on Wikipedia. From Stuart Murdoch's official statement on the Belle & Sebastian website, it seems that the actual name of the album is Belle & Sebastian Write About Love - including the band's name - as opposed to simply Write About Love. Since the references regarding the naming of the album (coming from B&S themselves, in fact) all include the band's name in the title, I have changed instances of Write About Love to Belle & Sebastian Write About Love.

Whenbongoscollide (talk) 11:20, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

To add to this, I've copied and pasted what I have written in the discussion for Belle & Sebastian Write About Love, as it definitely applies here too.

People have been shortening the title down to Write About Love - I just wanted to point out that even though the majority of websites do refer to the album merely as Write About Love, Belle & Sebastian themselves have stated the correct title is in fact Belle & Sebastian Write About Love.

from http://www.belleandsebastian.com/qasearchk.php?searchterm=write+about+love

" From: C Q.Aw man, write about love, that song is something else! What an organ solo, definitely Alan price or Rod Argent worthy. But has the album released been pushed back from the 11th of October to the 25th? Gutted.

A. i think it's 'write about love' the single that comes out on 25th; the LP 'belle and sebastian write about love' is still due on the 11th i'm sure.

Sarah - 06/09/10"

"From: margot Q.so will the album title be properly listed as "Belle and Sebastian Write About Love" or just "Write About Love"? In 2005 when Franz released their second album, they called it "You could have it so much better with Franz Ferdinand" but the magazines and shops called it "You could have it so much better with.." I wonder if the same will happen here!

A. It should be 'Belle and Sebastian Write about Love' - as in 'Val Doonican Rocks but Gently'.

Sarah - 14/08/10"

As a result, can people please refrain from moving the page or editing the article to shorten the title down to Write About Love, as it is incorrect.

Whenbongoscollide (Talk) 13:43, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Didn't Write About Love drop?
I'm hearing it on the fm....wiki on upcoming album lists date as 9-25-10 -Matt B. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belle_%26_Sebastian_Write_About_Love

72.179.54.13 (talk) 15:30, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Band name
Surely the band name comes from the black and white French television serial, well known to British kids of the ages of the band members, as opposed to the, more obscure in the UK at least, original French book or later anime? I would be astonished if the cited sources actually state the source of the band name was the book or the anime rather than the serial. Mutt Lunker (talk) 00:05, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

 * Someone should definitely look into it. I seem to remember one of the band members saying they watched it, specifically, which rules out the book. ★ K E Y S ★ (talk) 20:12, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I recall an interview where the band members stated they took the name from the 1960's French TV show. Sadly, I can't remember if I read or heard it. I'm sure if someone looked hard enough, they could find a cite-able reference. I would myself, but I don't think wikipedia is worth it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.228.6.233 (talk) 01:02, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

On a related note, whilst it says the band was named after "a 1965 children's book by French writer Cécile Aubry later adapted for television", the very page it links to says that the TV show came first. I don't know which is correct though. --afrazkhan (talk) 21:09, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Associated acts
Some explanation has to be provided in the body of the article for the 8 bands that appear in the "associated acts" section of the infobox. How are these bands associated? Have they performed together? Do they share members? Has a notable critic made a comparison of their sound or of one band's influence on the other? Or, as I suspect, are these simply the opinions of fanboy editors? --- The Old Jacobite The '45  02:46, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 16:38, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Belle & → Belle and Sebastian – The band's own website uses the version of the name with "and" rather than the ampersand, and this version is mostly used in the article itself. PatGallacher (talk) 00:26, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Support. Ampersands should be avoided if at all possible. -- Necrothesp (talk) 22:27, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

"Widely considered the band's masterpiece" vs. "often described by critics as the band's best album"
The article describes If you're feeling sinister as "widely considered the band's masterpiece", while it terms The Boy with the Arab Strap as "often described by critics as the band's best album". This is unclear. I imagine that "widely considered" is stronger than "often described", and "masterpiece" is stronger than "the band's best album", but there's more than a little potential for confusion.Smitse (talk) 00:22, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

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"Limited commercial success"?
The opening paragraph currently contains the statement that the band have had 'limited commercial success' - this is clearly factually incorrect. As can be seen from their discography the band have had 4 top ten albums in the UK, 6 top 20 albums (one of which went top 20 in America). Among these releases are 4 Gold and two Silver discs. They've even had 7 top 40 'hits' in the UK. They have had considerable commercial success would be accurate. Vauxhall1964 (talk) 16:07, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

The Beatles of twee
...is the urban dictionary example of 'twee'.

Anyone agree? 78.149.209.149 (talk) 00:53, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

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William de Braose, 4th Lord of Bramber

William de Braose, (or William de Briouze), 4th Lord of Bramber (1144/1153 – 9 August 1211), court favourite of King John of England, at the peak of his power, was also Lord of Gower, Abergavenny, Brecknock, Builth, Radnor, Kington, Limerick, Glamorgan, Skenfrith, Briouze in Normandy, Grosmont and White Castle.

Lineage
William was the most notable member of the de Braose dynasty. His steady rise and sudden fall at the hands of King John is often taken as an example of that king's arbitrary and capricious behaviour towards his barons.

William was the son of William de Braose, 3rd Lord of Bramber and his wife Bertha of Hereford, also known as Bertha de Pitres (born c. 1130), daughter of Miles Fitz Walter, Earl of Hereford and his wife, Sibyl, daughter of Bernard de Neufmarché. From his father, he inherited the Rape of Bramber, in Sussex, and through his mother, he inherited a large estate in the Welsh Marches area of modern-day Monmouthshire.

Abergavenny Massacre
In 1175, William de Braose carried out the Abergavenny Massacre, luring three Welsh princes and other Welsh leaders to their deaths. His principal antagonist was a Seisyll ap Dyfnwal, of Castell Arnallt near Llanover in the valley of the River Usk near Abergavenny, whom he blamed for the death of his uncle Henry.

After having invited the Welsh leaders to a Christmas feast at Abergavenny Castle under the pretence of peace and the start of a new era at the end of the year (a traditional time for settling outstanding differences amongst the Welsh), he had them murdered by his men. This resulted in great hostility against him among the Welsh, who named him the "Ogre of Abergavenny".

Gerald of Wales exonerates him and emphasises the religious piety of de Braose and his wife and de Braose generosity to the priories of Abergavenny and Brecon. William de Braose did however reputedly hunt down and kill Seisyll ap Dyfnwal's surviving son, Cadwaladr, a boy of seven.

In 1192, William de Braose was made sheriff of Herefordshire, a post he held until 1199. In 1196 he was made Justice Itinerant for Staffordshire. In 1195 he accompanied King Richard I of England to Normandy and in 1199, William de Braose fought beside Richard at Châlus, where the king was mortally wounded. He then supported King John's claim to the throne of England, and represented the new king, making various royal grants.

The disappearance of Arthur I, Duke of Brittany
In 1203, William de Braose was put in charge of Arthur of Brittany, whom he had personally captured the previous year at the Battle of Mirebeau. William was suspected of involvement in Arthur's disappearance and death, although no concrete evidence ever came to light. There is somewhat better evidence that he at least knew the truth of the matter. William was in attendance with John in Normandy at the time of Arthur of Brittany's imprisonment and it was alleged that Arthur suffered the same fate as the Welsh princes at William's hand, although this has never been proven. Arthur's death remains a mystery. After Arthur disappeared, De Braose served in the war of 1204 against King Philip II of France in France.

Royal favourite
He was greatly favoured by King John early in his reign. John granted him all that he might conquer from the Welsh in Radnorshire, gave him lordship over Limerick in Ireland (save for the city itself), possession of Glamorgan castle, and the Lordship of Gower with its several castles.

In early 1200, King John deprived Theobald Walter, 1st Baron Butler of all his offices and lands in Ireland because of his irregularities as sheriff. His lands were not restored until January 1202. A manuscript in the National Library of Ireland points to William as the agent of his restoration:"'Grant by William de Braosa (senior), to Theobald Walter (le Botiller) the burgh of Kildelon (Killaloe) ... the cantred of Elykaruel (the baronies of Clonlisk and Ballybritt, County Offaly), Eliogarty, Ormond, Ara and Oioney, etc. 1201.'""Elykaruel" refers to the Gaelic tuath of "Ely O'Carroll", which straddled the southern part of County Offaly and the northern part of Tipperary (at Ikerrin). The other cantreds named are probably the modern baronies of Eliogarty, Ormond Upper, Ormond Lower, and Owney and Arra in County Tipperary.

Before 1206 William successfully claimed half of the barony of Totnes from Henry de Nonant, to which family it had been granted after its forfeiture from Juhel de Totnes.

In 1206, after his service in France, King John gave William de Braose the three great neighbouring trilateral castles of Gwent (Skenfrith Castle, Grosmont Castle and White Castle). These have been interpreted as bribes encouraging silence on the demise of Arthur, seen by many as a rightful heir to the throne occupied by John of England.

At this point, only an earldom separated him from the greatest in England.

Royal persecution and death in exile

Soon after this, William de Braose fell out of favour with King John of England. The precise reasons remain obscure. King John cited overdue monies that de Braose owed the Crown from his estates, but the king's actions went far beyond what would be necessary to recover the debt. He distrained (seized) de Braose's English estates in Sussex and Devon, and sent a force to invade Wales to seize the de Braose domains there. Beyond that, he sought de Braose's wife, Maud de St. Valery, who, the story goes, had made no secret of her belief that King John had murdered Arthur of Brittany.

De Braose fled to Ireland, then returned to Wales as King John had him hunted in Ireland. In Wales, William allied himself to the Welsh Prince Llywelyn the Great, and helped him in his rebellion against King John.

In 1210, William de Braose fled Wales disguised as a beggar, to France. His wife and eldest son were captured. William died the following year in August 1211 at Corbeil, France. He was buried in the Abbey of St. Victor in Paris by a fellow exile and vociferous opponent of King John, Stephen Langton, the Archbishop of Canterbury. His hopes to return alive to Wales and for burial in Brecon were to be unfulfilled. William's wife, Maud, and eldest son, William, once captured, were allegedly murdered by King John, possibly starved to death while incarcerated at Windsor Castle and Corfe Castle in 1210.

While William had aroused the jealousy of the other barons during his rise, the arbitrary and violent manner of his fall very probably discomfited them and played a role in the Baronial uprisings of the next decade. The historian Sidney Painter, in his biography of King John, called it "the greatest mistake John made during his reign, as the King revealed to his Barons once and for all his capacity for cruelty."

The de Braose lineage
William de Braose's eldest son, William, married Maud (Matilda) de Clare (ca. 1184–1213), the daughter of Richard de Clare, 3rd Earl of Hertford. This younger William was captured with his mother and starved to death in 1210. He had fathered four sons, John, Giles, Philip and Walter and although they were also held in prison, they were released in 1218. John, the eldest, was said to have been brought up secretly, in Gower, by a Welsh ally or retainer. On his release, he came under the care of his uncle Giles de Braose. John made a claim to being the rightful heir of the de Braose lands and titles and although the courts did not find for him, his other uncle Reginald de Braose was able to cede by a legal convention the barony of Bramber to him for a fee. This established John's branch of the family and positioned it for survival at least or, at best, an opportunity for continued future power and influence.

Later dynasty
The middle son, Giles de Braose, exiled in France until 1213, was Bishop of Hereford from 1200 until his death in 1215. He made peace with King John and agreed terms for regaining de Braose lands in 1215 but had also made alliances with the Welsh leader Llywelyn the Great. He died in 1215 before he could come into the lands.

William's third son, Reginald de Braose reacquired his father's lands and titles for himself by simply seizing them back by force following the death of Giles. Reginald did not actually come to terms with the Crown until 1217 and the new, young King Henry III of England, after the death of King John. This, in turn, aroused the anger of Llywelyn the Great who had an understanding with Giles de Braose and the seeming duplicity caused the Welsh to attack de Braose lands in Brecon and Abergavenny and Gower. Abergavenny Castle had to be rebuilt as a result. Reginald de Braose died in 1228.

William's eldest daughter Matilda/Maud married a prominent Welsh prince, Gruffydd ap Rhys II of Deheubarth.

Another daughter, Margaret, married Walter de Lacy, Lord of Meath in Ireland and himself another powerful Marcher Lord. [There seems to be some confusion with Matilde about who her father is re Professor Thomas Jones Pierce, M.A., F.S.A., (1905–1964), Aberystwyth. she is the daughter of William Braose and Bertha Hereford, the father of this William].

Fiction
The story of the death of Maud de St. Valery and the conflict of her family with John Lackland is covered in several novels, notably Lady of Hay by Barbara Erskine. Erskine describes the life of Maud by sending a woman of the 20th century by psychological regression back into the 12th century.

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YA

YA, yA, or Ya may refer to:

Language

 * Ya (arrow), the Japanese word for an arrow
 * Ya (Cyrillic) (Я), a Cyrillic alphabet letter
 * Ya (Javanese) (ꦪ), a letter in the Javanese script
 * Ya (kana), the Romanization of the Japanese kana や and ヤ
 * Yāʼ (ي),an Arabic letter
 * Ya, a vocative particle in Arabic and other Semitic languages
 * Ya (hangul) (ㅑ), a letter in the Korean hangul alphabet

Units of measurement

 * years ago (ya), a unit of time
 * Yoctoampere (yA), an SI unit of electric current
 * Yottampere (YA), an SI unit of electric current

Arts, entertainment, and media

 * ¡Ya!, an album by the band Marquess
 * Я (transliterated ya, meaning I am), a 2009 Russian sci-fi film (ru:Я (фильм)) with Artur Smolyaninov and Oksana Akinshina
 * Yahoo! Answers (YA), a community-driven question-and-answer site
 * Young Ace (YA), a Japanese magazine
 * Young adult fiction, fiction marketed to young adults

Other uses

 * Ya (river), a river in Tynset municipality in Innlandet county, Norway
 * Yet another (YA), a common initial part of acronyms
 * YoungArts (YA), a scholarship program for American high school students
 * A US Navy hull classification symbol: Ash barge (YA)

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1968 in television

The year 1968 in television involved some significant events. Below is a list of television-related events in 1968.

Events

 * January 20 – Houston defeats UCLA 71–69 at the Houston Astrodome on the TVS Television Network in what is billed as "The Game of the Century"; the first prime-time national broadcast of men's college basketball.
 * January 27 – The Lennon Sisters make their final appearance on The Lawrence Welk Show on ABC (United States).
 * January 31 – Turkey's first national TV channel TRT 1 is opened.
 * February 6 – The Xth Olympic Winter Games in Grenoble, France are the first Olympics to be fully broadcast in color for the U.S. market by ABC.
 * February 19 – National Educational Television in the United States begins airing preschool show Mister Rogers' Neighborhood nationally; it runs until 2001.
 * February 28 – Influential American news reporter Walter Cronkite comments on primetime television "It is increasingly clear to this reporter that the only rational way out [of the Vietnam War] then will be to negotiate, not as victors, but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy, and did the best they could", which influences US President Johnson not to seek another term.
 * April 2
 * NBC in the US broadcasts a television special in which white British singer Petula Clark appears with black performer Harry Belafonte as her guest. An innocent, affectionate gesture between the two during recording of a song (Clark touches Belafonte on the arm) has prompted an objection from a representative from the show's sponsor (Chrysler Corporation) due to the difference in their races, but NBC airs the performance.
 * RAI in Italy broadcasts the first episode of the miniseries La famiglia Benvenuti (The Benvenuti family), by Alfredo Giannetti, with Enrico Maria Salerno and Valeria Valeri, about the life of the Italian middle class. The show, innovative at this time, is received well by the public and critics alike, and the child actor Giusva Fioravanti (later infamous right-wing terrorist) becomes a star.
 * April 4 – Singer James Brown appears on national television in an attempt to calm feelings of anger in the United States following the assassination of Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King Jr.
 * April 6 – The Eurovision Song Contest 1968 is held at the Royal Albert Hall in London, the first to be televised in colour.
 * April 27 – Jordan Television, as predecessor of Jordan Radio and Television Corporation (JRTV-One), a first official television broadcasting service start in Jordan, is launched in Amman.
 * May 2 – The Israel Broadcasting Authority commences television broadcasts.
 * May 4 – Mary Hopkin performs on the British TV talent show Opportunity Knocks. Hopkin catches the attention of model Twiggy, who recommends her to Beatle Paul McCartney. McCartney soon signs Hopkin to Apple Records.
 * May 20 – Harlech (which will become HTV in 1970) starts its dual service for Wales and the West Country in the UK, replacing the interim ITSWW, which had replaced TWW.
 * June 2 – The first cricket match to be televised in colour by the BBC in the UK, Surrey v International Cavaliers held at Cheam Cricket Club Ground. The game attracts 8,000 people.
 * June 14 – Rosemary Prinz, one of the first big soap opera stars, is written out of As the World Turns in a less-than-amicable departure.
 * August 20–21 – Warsaw Pact invasion of Czechoslovakia. Events are televised live across Europe.
 * October 13 – Actress Bea Benaderet of the popular CBS-TV sitcom Petticoat Junction dies of lung cancer at the age of 62 shortly after the start of the popular program's sixth season.
 * October 14 – First live television broadcast from a spacecraft in orbit, during the Apollo 7 mission. There are six broadcasts during the eleven-day mission.
 * October 21–25 – Joan Crawford makes a guest appearance for five episodes on the soap opera The Secret Storm, filling in for her ailing daughter, Christina. Joan slurs her lines and appears to be intoxicated during the tapings.
 * November 17 – "Heidi Game": NBC breaks away from a pro football game to air a TV movie adaptation of Heidi, sparking furious protest. After the break away, the Oakland Raiders score two touchdowns to defeat the New York Jets, in the final minute of play.
 * November 17 - WABC-TV debuts the Eyewitness News format on behalf of news director Al Primo.
 * November 22 – William Shatner and Nichelle Nichols share the first interracial kiss on US television in the Star Trek episode "Plato's Stepchildren".
 * December 3 – The 50-minute television special Elvis (sponsored by sewing machine manufacturer The Singer Company), taped in June with a live audience in Burbank, California, airs on NBC in the United States marking the comeback of Elvis Presley after 7 years during which the legendary rock and roll musician's career has centered on the movie industry. Concluding with the premiere of "If I Can Dream", it is not only the highest rated television show for the week of broadcast, but the highest rated television special of the year. Its original broadcast is followed by a Brigitte Bardot special.
 * December 24 – Apollo 8 broadcasts to the Earth, relaying a report that there is a Santa Claus and reading a passage from the Book of Genesis.
 * Also in 1968
 * Nearly 200 million households now own television sets, 78 million of which are in the US.
 * The Guiding Light and Search for Tomorrow expand to 30 minutes.
 * The last round-screen color TV sets are produced by all American manufacturers.

Programs/programmes

 * American Bandstand (1952–1989)
 * Another World (1964–1999)
 * As the World Turns (1956–2010)
 * Bewitched (1964–1972)
 * Blue Peter (UK) (1958–present)
 * Bonanza (1959–1973)
 * Bozo the Clown (1949–present)
 * Candid Camera (1948–present)
 * Captain Kangaroo (1955–1984)
 * Come Dancing (UK) (1949–1995)
 * Coronation Street (UK) (1960–present)
 * Crossroads (UK) (1964–1988, 2001–2003)
 * Daniel Boone (1964–1970)
 * Dark Shadows (1966–1971)
 * Days of Our Lives (1965–present)
 * Dixon of Dock Green (UK) (1955–1976)
 * Do Not Adjust Your Set (1967–1969)
 * Doctor Who (UK) (1963–1989, 1996, 2005–present)
 * Face the Nation (1954–present)
 * Family Affair (1966–1971)
 * Four Corners (Australia) (1961–present)
 * General Hospital (1963–present)
 * Get Smart (1965–1970)
 * Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C. (1964–1970)
 * Grandstand (UK) (1958–2007)
 * Green Acres (1965–1971)
 * Gunsmoke (1955–1975)
 * Hallmark Hall of Fame (1951–present)
 * Here's Lucy (1968–1974)
 * Hogan's Heroes (1965–1971)
 * I Dream of Jeannie (1965–1970)
 * Ironside (1967–1975)
 * I Spy (1965-1968)
 * It's Academic (1961–present)
 * Jeopardy! (1964–1975, 1984–present)
 * Love is a Many Splendored Thing (1967–1973)
 * Love of Life (1951–1980)
 * Mannix (1967–1975)
 * Match Game (1962–1969, 1973–1984, 1990–1991, 1998–1999)
 * Meet the Press (1947–present)
 * Mission: Impossible (1966–1973)
 * My Three Sons (1960–1972)
 * Opportunity Knocks (UK) (1956–1978)
 * Panorama (UK) (1953–present)
 * Petticoat Junction (1963–1970)
 * Peyton Place (1964–1969)
 * Play School (1966–present)
 * Search for Tomorrow (1951–1986)
 * Spider-Man (1967–1970)
 * Star Trek (1966–1969)
 * That Girl (1966–1971)
 * The Andy Griffith Show (1960–1968, direct spinoff Mayberry RFD premiered on September 23, and ran until 1971)
 * The Avengers (UK) (1961–1969)
 * The Beverly Hillbillies (1962–1971)
 * The Carol Burnett Show (1967–1978)
 * The Dean Martin Show (1965–1974)
 * The Doctors (1963–1982)
 * The Ed Sullivan Show (1948–1971)
 * The Edge of Night (1956–1984)
 * The Flying Nun (1967–1970)
 * The Good Old Days (UK) (1953–1983)
 * The Guiding Light (1952–2009)
 * The Hollywood Palace (1964–1970)
 * The Late Late Show (Ireland) (1962–present)
 * The Lawrence Welk Show (1955–1982)
 * The Lucy Show (1962–1968)
 * The Mike Douglas Show (1961–1981)
 * The Money Programme (UK) (1966–present)
 * The Mothers-in-Law (1967–1969)
 * The Newlywed Game (1966–1974)
 * The Saint (UK) (1962–1969)
 * The Secret Storm (1954–1974)
 * The Sky at Night (UK) (1957–present)
 * The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour (1967–1969)
 * The Today Show (1952–present)
 * The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson (1962–1992)
 * The Wednesday Play (UK) (1964–1970)
 * This Is Your Life (UK) (1955–2003)
 * Tom and Jerry (1965–1972, 1975–1977, 1980–1982)
 * Top of the Pops (UK) (1964–2006)
 * Truth or Consequences (1950–1988)
 * TRT 1 Foreign films day (Turkey) (1968–present)
 * TRT 1 Turkish films day (Turkey) (1968–present)
 * Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Color (1961 – July 1971)
 * What the Papers Say (UK) (1956–present)
 * World of Sport (UK) (1965–1985)
 * Z-Cars (UK) (1962–1978)

Debuts

 * January 1 – Vremya (Вре́мя, "Time") in the Soviet Union (1964–1991, 1994–present)
 * January 5 – Gardeners' World on BBC1 in the UK (1968–present)
 * January 22 – Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In on NBC (1968–1973)
 * February 19 – Mister Rogers' Neighborhood on National Educational Television (1968–2001)
 * April – Audubon Wildlife Theatre on CBC (1968–1974)
 * May 18 – The Prisoner has its U.S. premiere on CBS
 * July 5 – The Expert on BBC2 in the UK (1968–1976)
 * July 15 – One Life to Live (created by Agnes Nixon) on ABC (1968–2012, 2013–present)
 * July 30 – Magpie on ITV in the UK (1968–1980)
 * July 31 – Popular sitcom Dad's Army run on BBC1 in the UK (1968–1977)
 * September – What's My Line in first-run syndication (1968–1975)
 * September 14
 * The Archie Show on CBS Saturday Morning (1968–1969)
 * The Bugs Bunny/Road Runner Hour and on CBS Saturday Morning (1968–1971; 1975–1985; known as The Bugs Bunny/Road Runner Show from 1978 to 1985)
 * Wacky Races on CBS Saturday Morning (1968-1969)
 * September 17 – Julia on NBC (1968–1971)
 * September 21 – Adam-12 on NBC (1968–1975)
 * September 22 – Land of the Giants on ABC (1968–1970)
 * September 23
 * Here's Lucy on CBS (1968–1974)
 * Mayberry R.F.D. on CBS (1968–1971)
 * September 24
 * The Doris Day Show on CBS (1968–1973)
 * The Mod Squad on ABC (1968–1973)
 * 60 Minutes (1968–present) on CBS
 * September 25 – Here Come the Brides on ABC (1968–1970)
 * September 26 – Hawaii Five-O on CBS (1968–1980)
 * September 29 – Fabeltjeskrant on NOS (1968–1989)

Television debuts

 * Linda Blair – Hidden Faces
 * Bud Cort – The Doctors
 * Blythe Danner – N.Y.P.D.
 * Jodie Foster – Mayberry R.F.D.
 * Howard Hesseman – The Andy Griffith Show
 * Margot Kidder – Wojeck
 * Al Pacino – N.Y.P.D.
 * Austin Pendleton – One Life to Live
 * Joffre Soares – Beto Rockfeller
 * M. Emmet Walsh – The Doctors

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1967 in television

The year 1967 in television involved some significant events. Below is a list of television-related events in 1967.

Events

 * January 15
 * The inaugural Super Bowl is simulcast on CBS and NBC
 * The Rolling Stones appear on CBS's The Ed Sullivan Show, where, at Sullivan's insistence, they perform "Let's Spend the Night Together" as "Let's Spend Some Time Together."
 * January 29 – The first CBS Playhouse presentation, The Final War of Olly Winter, is televised.
 * February 16 – The first airing of "Space Seed", the Star Trek television episode that introduces popular villain Khan Noonien Singh, as played by Ricardo Montalbán, is aired on NBC.
 * February 23 – The Beatles make a taped appearance on ABC's American Bandstand, where they premiere their new music videos for the songs "Penny Lane" and "Strawberry Fields Forever".
 * February 25 – Gene Kelly stars in Jack and the Beanstalk; airing on NBC and produced by Hanna-Barbera, it is the first TV special to combine live action and animation.
 * March – Gunsmoke is renewed by CBS for the fall 1967 season. Aging (it was completing its 12th season) and declining in the ratings, CBS planned to cancel the western, but protests from viewers, network affiliates and even members of Congress and especially William S. Paley (Gunsmoke was Paley's wife's favorite show), the head of the network, lead the network to move the series from its longtime late Saturday time slot to early Mondays for the fall—displacing Gilligan's Island, which initially had been renewed for the fall but is cancelled instead.  Gunsmoke would remain on CBS until 1975.
 * March 6 – Mark Twain Tonight! starring Hal Holbrook as Mark Twain, premieres on CBS.
 * March 11 – This was the last day that French-language TV stations in Canada were required to run "personals" (classified advertising) between 6–7 p.m. Monday through Saturday.
 * May 1 – The United Network (initially known as the Overmyer Network) launches broadcasting with the talk/variety show The Las Vegas Show—which would be the only show it airs, as both network and show disappear in June due in part to transmission expenses.
 * May 13 – TV Bandeirantes São Paulo, a first network television station of Rede Bandeirantes, an officially regular broadcasting service to start in Brazil.
 * May 15 – CBS News and BBC host the "Town Meeting of the World" with governor Ronald Reagan and senator Robert F. Kennedy.
 * May – David Dortort appoints himself executive producer of Bonanza, a move which takes him out of the day-to-day running of the show but allows him to spend his efforts on another NBC western, The High Chaparral.
 * June 12 – The fourth Peanuts special, You're in Love, Charlie Brown, with a springtime theme, has its premiere on CBS.
 * June 15 – ATV0, Melbourne, launches color television in Australia with live coverage of the Pakenham races.
 * June 25 – The special Our World becomes the first live worldwide "via satellite" TV broadcast, transmitting to 30 countries. Performers include Mick Jagger, Marianne Faithfull, Keith Richards, Keith Moon, Eric Clapton, Pattie Harrison, Jane Asher, Graham Nash, Hunter Davies, and The Beatles (who perform "All You Need Is Love," a song composed especially for the occasion).
 * July 1 – With live coverage from the Wimbledon Championships of tennis, BBC2 becomes Europe's first color TV broadcaster, although still in the experimental stage.
 * July 28 – In the VPRO television show Hoepla, model Phil Bloom flashes nude in front of the cameras. Several angry viewers complain by sending letters of protests.
 * August 6 – Formula One auto racing has its first colour TV broadcast, as the 1967 German Grand Prix raced at Nürburgring is colorcast to a West German audience on an experimental basis.
 * August 21 – ABC's Dark Shadows and CBS's As the World Turns are the first daytime soaps on their respective networks to go color.
 * August 25 – Color television is officially launched in West Germany (simultaneously by ARD and ZDF) at precisely 9:30 am, with a symbolic launch button pressed by Willy Brandt at the Internationale Funkausstellung Berlin.
 * August 29 – The Fugitive finale proves to be one of the most-watched episodes of the decade.
 * September 2 – At 12:30 pm, Channel 9 in Sioux City, Iowa switches from being KVTV (CBS basic) to KCAU-TV (ABC full-time). Three days later, CBS returns to the area when KMEG-TV signs-on.
 * September 9 – NBC airs what will prove to be the pilot of Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In; which would have its actual series premiere on January 22, 1968.
 * September 10 – The Who destroy their instruments during a performance on CBS's The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour
 * September 17 – The Doors appear on The Ed Sullivan Show and perform "Light My Fire". Sullivan had requested that the line "Girl we couldn't get much higher" be changed for the show, but Jim Morrison performs it the way it was written and the band is banned from the show as a result.
 * October 1
 * First colour television broadcasts introduced in France, RSFSR and BSSR using SECAM system.
 * In the VPRO TV show Hoepla, model Phil Bloom is seen reading a newspaper; when she folds the newspaper, she is completely nude (the first time someone appears nude in a television program).
 * November 7 - The Golden Jubilee October Revolution Day Parades in Moscow, Leningrad and Minsk are first major events to be broadcast in color in the Soviet Union using SECAM system.
 * November 19 – TVB launches free-to-air television in Hong Kong.
 * November 27 – Thai Army Television converts from System M (a 525-line screen) to System B (625 lines) in preparation for PAL color (to be launched in 1969).
 * December 2 – Color television is officially launched on BBC2.
 * December 11 – NBC airs the all-star special Movin' With Nancy, featuring Nancy Sinatra and guests.
 * December 21 – The only guests for a highly rated holiday episode of The Dean Martin Show are the family members of Martin and Frank Sinatra.
 * December 26 – The Beatles' Magical Mystery Tour airs on BBC1 in the UK.
 * Also in 1967
 * All CBS soap operas transition from live to tape broadcasts
 * PAL and SECAM video standards introduced
 * A taped appearance by The Beatles on the Ed Sullivan Show, premiering their new music video for the song "Hello Goodbye"
 * The FCC orders that cigarette ads on television, radio and in print must include a warning about the health risks of smoking
 * The Corporation for Public Broadcasting is established
 * Cissy King replaces Barbara Boylan as Bobby Burgess's dance partner on The Lawrence Welk Show.

Programs/Programmes

 * American Bandstand (1952–89)
 * Another World (1964–99)
 * Armchair Theatre (1956–68)
 * As the World Turns (1956–2010)
 * Batman (1966–68)
 * Bewitched (1964–72)
 * Blue Peter (UK) (1958–present)
 * Bonanza (1959–73)
 * Bozo the Clown (1949–present)
 * Candid Camera (1948–present)
 * Captain Kangaroo (1955–84)
 * Come Dancing (UK) (1949–95)
 * Coronation Street (UK) (1960–present)
 * Crossroads (UK) (1964–88, 2001–03)
 * Daniel Boone (1964–70)
 * Dark Shadows (1966–71)
 * Days of Our Lives (1965–present)
 * Dixon of Dock Green (UK) (1955–76)
 * Doctor Who (UK) (1963–89, 1996, 2005–present)
 * Face the Nation (1954–present)
 * Family Affair (1966–71)
 * Four Corners (Australia) (1961–present)
 * General Hospital (1963–present)
 * Get Smart (1965–70)
 * Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C. (1964–70)
 * Grandstand (UK) (1958–2007)
 * Green Acres (1965–71)
 * Gunsmoke (1955–75)
 * Hallmark Hall of Fame (1951–present)
 * Hockey Night in Canada (1952–present)
 * Hogan's Heroes (1965–71)
 * I Dream of Jeannie (1965–70)
 * I Spy (1965–1968)
 * It's Academic (1961–present)
 * Jeopardy! (1964–75, 1984–present)
 * Lost in Space (1965–68)
 * Love of Life (1951–80)
 * Match Game (1962–69, 1973–84, 1990–91, 1998–99)
 * Meet the Press (1947–present)
 * Mission: Impossible (1966–73)
 * Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom (1963–88, 2002–present)
 * My Three Sons (1960–72)
 * Opportunity Knocks (UK) (1956–78)
 * Panorama (UK) (1953–present)
 * Petticoat Junction (1963–70)
 * Peyton Place (1964–69)
 * Play School (1966–present)
 * Run for Your Life (1965–1968)
 * Search for Tomorrow (1951–86)
 * Star Trek (1966–69)
 * That Girl (1966–71)
 * The Andy Griffith Show (1960–68)
 * The Avengers (UK) (1961–69)
 * The Bell Telephone Hour (1959–68)
 * The Beverly Hillbillies (1962–71)
 * The Dean Martin Show (1965–74)
 * The Doctors (1963–82)
 * The Ed Sullivan Show (1948–71)
 * The Edge of Night (1956–84)
 * The Fulton Sheen Program (1961–68)
 * The Good Old Days (UK) (1953–83)
 * The Guiding Light (1952–2009)
 * The Hollywood Palace (1964–1970)
 * The Late Late Show (Ireland) (1962–present)
 * The Lawrence Welk Show (1955–82)
 * The Lucy Show (1962–68)
 * The Mavis Bramston Show (Australia) (1964–68)
 * The Mike Douglas Show (1961–82)
 * The Money Programme (UK) (1966–present)
 * The Monkees (1966–68)
 * The Mothers-in-Law (1967–69)
 * The Newlywed Game (1966–74)
 * The Saint (UK) (1962–69)
 * The Secret Storm (1954–74)
 * The Sky at Night (UK) (1957–present)
 * The Today Show (1952–present)
 * The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson (1962–92)
 * The Wednesday Play (UK) (1964–70)
 * This Is Your Life (UK) (1955–2003)
 * Tom and Jerry (1965–72, 1975–77, 1980–82)
 * Top of the Pops (UK) (1964–2006)
 * Truth or Consequences (1950–88)
 * Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Color (1961–69)
 * What the Papers Say (UK) (1956–2008)
 * World of Sport (1965–85)
 * Z-Cars (UK) (1962–78)

Debuts

 * January 7
 * The Forsyte Saga, BBC drama in 26 50-minute episodes
 * A prime-time edition of The Newlywed Game (1967–71) on ABC
 * January 9 – Mr. Terrific on CBS (Last aired on August 27, 1967)
 * January 13 – Rango on ABC (Last aired on September 1, 1967)
 * February 5 – The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour (1967–69) on CBS
 * February 13 – Mr. Dressup (1967–96) on CBC
 * July 3 – News at Ten (1967–99, 2001–04, 2008–present) on ITV in the UK
 * September 5
 * The Prisoner on Canada's CTV Television Network
 * Good Morning World on CBS (1967–1968)
 * September 6 – He & She (1967–68) and Dundee and the Culhane (Fall 1967 only) both on CBS
 * September 7
 * The Flying Nun (1967–70) on ABC
 * Cimarron Strip (1967–68) on CBS
 * September 8 – Hondo (ended December 29, 1967) on ABC
 * September 9 – Spider-Man (1967–70) and George of the Jungle (1967) on ABC
 * September 10 – The Mothers-in-Law (1967–69) and The High Chaparral (1967–71) both on NBC
 * September 11 – The Carol Burnett Show (1967–78) on CBS
 * September 14 – Ironside (1967–75) on NBC
 * September 16 – Mannix (1967–75) on CBS
 * September 18 – Love is a Many Splendored Thing (1967–73) on CBS daytime
 * September 29 – The Prisoner is broadcast in the UK on ATV and Grampian Television
 * October 1 – Ultra Seven (1967–68) on TBS in Japan
 * December 26 – Do Not Adjust Your Set on ITV (1967–69)

Television debuts

 * Rutanya Alda – The Borgia Stick
 * Tom Baker – Trapped!
 * Ed Begley Jr. – My Three Sons
 * Candice Bergen – Coronet Blue
 * Dennis Christopher – The Time Tunnel
 * Timothy Dalton – Sat'day While Sunday
 * William Devane – N.Y.P.D.
 * Antonio Fargas – Ironside
 * Harrison Ford – The Virginian
 * Frederic Forrest – Dark Shadows
 * Paul Freeman – Champion House
 * Michael Gambon – Softly, Softly
 * Julius Harris – N.Y.P.D.
 * Goldie Hawn – Good Morning World
 * Eric Idle – No – That's Me Over Here!
 * Diane Keen – Love Story
 * Yaphet Kotto – NBC Experiment in Television
 * Ed Lauter – Dark Shadows
 * Kay Lenz – The Monroes
 * Steve Martin – Off to See the Wizard
 * Toshiro Mifune – Taiyo no Aitsu
 * Helen Mirren – The Extravaganza of Golgotha Smuts
 * Christopher Mitchum – Dundee and the Culhane
 * Lorenzo Music – The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour
 * Annette O'Toole – My Three Sons
 * Stephen Rea – Angel Pavement
 * Buddy Rogers – The Lucy Show
 * John Ritter – The Dating Game
 * Alex Rocco – Batman
 * Jan-Michael Vincent – Dragnet
 * Michael York – The Forsyte Saga

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Toxicity (album)

Toxicity is the second studio album by the American heavy metal band System of a Down, released on September 4, 2001, by American Recordings and Columbia Records. Expanding on their 1998 eponymous debut album, Toxicity incorporates more melody, harmonies, and singing than the band's first album. Categorized primarily as alternative metal and nu metal, the album features elements of multiple genres, including folk, progressive rock, jazz, and Armenian and Greek music, including prominent use of instruments like the sitar, banjo, keyboards, and piano. It contains a wide array of political and non-political themes, such as mass incarceration, the CIA, the environment, police brutality, drug addiction, scientific reductionism, and groupies.

Toxicity was recorded at Cello Studios in Hollywood, California. Over 30 songs were recorded, but the band narrowed the number of songs on the album to 14. The album peaked at number one on both the Billboard 200 and the Canadian Albums Chart, selling 220,000 copies in its first week of release. It was certified sextuple platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) in July 2022, signifying at least six million copies sold in the United States. All of Toxicity singles reached the Billboard Hot 100. The final single, "Aerials", went to number one on both the Mainstream Rock Tracks and the Modern Rock Tracks charts. Toxicity received highly positive ratings and reviews from critics, among them perfect ratings from AllMusic, Kerrang!, and Blabbermouth.net. Many critics praised the album's sound and innovation, and it ranked on multiple "best albums" lists.

The promotional shows for Toxicity resulted in a number of controversial incidents. A six-hour riot ensued at a free concert in Hollywood the day before the album's release as a result of the show's cancellation due to an overcrowded show; the crowd in attendance was estimated to be at least twice the size that was expected. Another scheduled System of a Down performance was canceled to prevent a similar riot. The band then toured with Slipknot, and bassist Shavo Odadjian was harassed, racially profiled, and physically beaten by guards when he tried to enter backstage at a concert in October 2001.

Music, writing, and recording
Primarily considered an alternative metal and nu metal  album, Toxicity has also been described as thrash metal, art metal, hard rock, progressive metal, and heavy metal. Toxicity features elements of multiple genres of music: folk, progressive rock, jazz, hip hop, Middle Eastern music, and Greek music. Guitarist Daron Malakian said that he "wanted to add a bit more harmony for" himself "in the songs and that required tastefully mixing in some softer guitars between the really heavy parts". Malakian also cited the Beatles as an influence on Toxicity. Sounds of instruments other than drums, vocals, electric guitar and bass guitar, such as sitar, banjo, keyboards and piano, are also featured on Toxicity. The majority of the album's music was written in the tuning of drop C.

System of a Down recorded over thirty songs during the recording of Toxicity but narrowed the number of songs on the album to fourteen. Several of these recorded songs that didn't make it onto Toxicity were re-recorded for System of a Down's next studio album Steal This Album!, an album released in 2002. Toxicity was recorded at Cello Studios in Hollywood, California, mixed at Enterprise Studios in Burbank, California, and mastered at Oasis Mastering in Studio City, California. According to bassist Shavo Odadjian, the song "Chop Suey!" is "about drug addiction, but [System of a Down took] something really serious and made it a little quacky". Vocalist Serj Tankian compared the song to Guns N' Roses' "Mr. Brownstone". "Prison Song" is about mass incarceration. Serj Tankian said: "It's about the unfairness of mandatory minimum sentences and how there are about 2,000,000 Americans in jail, and a lot of them are in there for marijuana possession and things of that sort. [...] Instead of rehabilitating men who have drug problems, they're throwing them in prison. That's not really solving anything." Tankian said that "Prison Song" also addresses "how drug money is used to rig elections in other countries by the CIA". "Needles" is about "pulling a tapeworm out of your ass." "Bounce" is about group sex. "Psycho" is about groupies. "ATWA" (an acronym for "Air, Trees, Water, Animals") is about Charles Manson's beliefs on the environment. Malakian has said that "[Manson is] in jail for the wrong reasons. I think he had an unfair trial". "Deer Dance" is about the protests surrounding the 2000 Democratic National Convention.

Promotion and touring
On September 3, 2001, System of a Down had planned on launching Toxicity at a free concert in Hollywood, California as a "thank you" to fans. The concert, which was to be held in a parking lot, was set up to accommodate 3,500 people; however, an estimated 7,000 to 10,000 fans showed up. Because of the large excess number of fans, the performance was cancelled by police officers just before System of a Down took the stage. No announcement was made that the concert had been cancelled. Fans waited for more than an hour for the band to appear, but when a banner hanging at the back of the stage that read "System of a Down" was removed by security, the audience rushed the stage, destroying all the band's touring gear (approximately $30,000 worth of equipment) and began to riot, throwing rocks at police, breaking windows, and knocking over portable toilets. The riot lasted six hours, during which six arrests were made. The band's manager, David "Beno" Benveniste, later said that the riot could have been avoided if System of a Down had been permitted to perform or had they been allowed to make a statement at the concert regarding the cancellation. System of a Down's scheduled in-store performance the next day was cancelled to prevent a similar riot.

Later that month, System of a Down embarked on tour in the United States and Mexico with Slipknot. During their concert at Grand Rapids, Michigan's Van Andel Arena in October 2001, Odadjian was harassed, racially profiled and physically beaten by some guards when he attempted to enter backstage. After the attack, he received medical help from the arena personnel and the police in place. Odadjian then filed a lawsuit against DuHadway Kendall Security, the company the guards were working for. Despite this incident, the tour, as a whole, was a success and System of a Down later co-headlined the Pledge of Allegiance leg of Slipknot's Iowa World Tour.

Critical
On review aggregator website Metacritic, Toxicity holds a score of 73 out of 100, based on reviews from nine critics, which indicates "generally favourable reviews". AllMusic writer Eduardo Rivadavia called Toxicity "hands down one of 2001's top metal releases" and wrote that the album "may well prove to be a lasting heavy metal classic to boot". Toxicity is one of only 21 albums to achieve a perfect rating from Blabbermouth.net, with writer Don Kaye praising System of a Down in a contemporary review of the album as "one of the few bands that people may still be talking about ten years from now". Drowned in Sound writer Don Kaye praised the band as "probably the most vital band around in the big, wide world of metal right now". Ben Myers of Kerrang! stated that the band had "gone and bettered" their debut album and hailed Toxicity as "metal album of the year, hands down". Q wrote that Toxicity "matches Slipknot for manic intensity while employing a freeform approach to songcraft which invites comparison to the lunatic-fringe rock of the '60s".

Referring to Toxicity as "both manic and schizoid", Keith Harris of Rolling Stone noted Tankian's ability to veer "easily from sing-rap rhythm to Korn-ish hysterics to demonic baritone growl to doomily ruminative" and that "the music insists on forward motion without trapping itself in a thrashy lock-step rut". Tom Sinclair of Entertainment Weekly called the album "strange and engaging", with a wide variety of sounds which "all adds up to bizarro type of metal that has a warped majesty and strength". Robert Christgau of The Village Voice cited "Prison Song" and "Bounce" as highlights and later assigned the album a one-star honorable rating. Spin's Joe Gross wrote that the band "have an undeniable nerd-prog charm". Uncut, on the other hand, panned Toxicity as "virtually unlistenable".

Commercial
Toxicity peaked at number one on the Billboard 200, selling 220,000 copies in its first week of release. The album also topped the Canadian Albums Chart. Toxicity sold at least 2,700,000 copies in the United States, and at least 12,000,000 copies worldwide. On November 27, 2002, the album was certified triple platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America.

All of the album's singles reached the Billboard Hot 100; "Chop Suey!" peaked at number 76, "Toxicity" at number 70, and "Aerials" at number 55. "Aerials" would remain the band's biggest domestic hit until "B.Y.O.B." surpassed it, reaching number 27 in 2005. "Aerials" peaked at number one on the Mainstream Rock Songs chart and number one on the Alternative Songs chart. "Chop Suey!" and "Toxicity" were both top ten hits. In 2005, Toxicity went to number one on the Catalog Albums chart. Added to the 2001 Clear Channel memorandum, "Chop Suey!" was temporarily pulled from playlists of most radio stations after the September 11 attacks in 2001, as it featured some lyrics that Clear Channel deemed inappropriate following the attacks. The song returned to the airwaves when things settled down.

Accolades
The album is listed on Blender 500 CDs You Must Own. MusicRadar held a public poll and Toxicity was ranked as the 28th greatest heavy metal album on its list of The 50 Greatest Heavy Metal Albums of All Time. The album is ranked number 44 on Rolling Stone 100 Best Albums of the Decade for 2000s and 27th on the magazine's "100 Greatest Metal Albums of All Time". Toxicity was voted the 27th best album of the year in The Village Voice's annual Pazz & Jop critics poll for 2001. Spin named the album one of The 300 Best Albums Of The Past 30 Years, with Toxicity being one of the highest-listed heavy metal albums on the list. Spin also named Toxicity the Album of the Year in 2001, and finally ranked it number 38 on its list of The 40 Greatest Metal Albums Of All Time. Kludge ranked it number five on their list of best albums of 2001. Alternative Press ranked it number nine on its 25 Best Albums of 2001. Mojo ranked it number 93 on its 100 Modern Classics. The album won a 2001 Metal Edge Readers' Choice Award for Album of the Year. Loudwire listed the album at number one on its list of Top 11 Metal Albums of the 2000s, number two on the Top 100 Hard Rock + Metal Albums Of The 21st Century, and number 11 on its list of Top 50 Metal Albums of All Time. NME listed the album at number six on its list of 20 Greatest Metal Albums Ever. Metal Hammer declared Toxicity the best album of 2001. The Observer ranked Toxicity as one of the Top 50 Albums Of The Decade, at number 34. In 2007, The Guardian placed the album on its list of the 1000 Albums To Hear Before You Die. Entertainment Weekly also put Toxicity on its list of the 100 Best Albums of the 1983–2008 Period, at number 90. Revolver named Toxicity the eighth greatest metal album of all time on its list of the 69 Greatest Metal Albums Of All Time. The album was included on The A.V. Club's list of the best metal records of the 2000s. PopMatters ranked Toxicity at 62 on its Best Albums of the 2000s list. "Chop Suey!" was nominated for Best Metal Performance at the 44th Grammy Awards in 2002. Spice Girl Melanie C picked it as one of her favourite albums. In 2020, the album was included at the 100 Best Albums of the 21st Century list of Stacker, being ranked at 85.

Original release

 * "Arto" is an adaptation of "Der Voghormia" (meaning "Lord Have Mercy"), a traditional Armenian church hymn. It is combined with Aerials (track 14) on physical releases as a hidden track.

Japanese edition

 * "Johnny", the Japanese bonus track, is put as the eighth track on Toxicity on the album's Japanese edition, pushing all tracks 8–14 on the album's normal track listing one track number forward.

Blue edition

 * The Red Edition of the album features a bonus video disc with a 9:54-long behind-the-scenes video about the production of the record.

Personnel
Adapted from Toxicity liner notes.

System of a Down
 * Serj Tankian – vocals, keyboards, guitar on "Aerials", piano, string arrangements
 * Daron Malakian – guitars, sitar on "Aerials", banjo in "Deer Dance", vocals
 * Shavo Odadjian – bass
 * John Dolmayan – drums

Additional musicians
 * Arto Tunçboyacıyan – additional vocals/music
 * Marc Mann – strings arrangement, conducting, additional strings writing

Production
 * Rick Rubin – producer
 * Daron Malakian – producer
 * Serj Tankian – co-producer
 * Andy Wallace – mixing
 * David Schiffman – engineer
 * Greg Collins – additional engineer
 * Darren Mora – assistant engineer, additional engineer
 * Al Sanderson – assistant engineer
 * Ryan McCormick – assistant engineer
 * Jim Champagne – assistant engineer
 * Rich Balmer – mixdown engineer
 * Dino Paredes – A&R direction
 * Lindsay Chase – production coordinator
 * Eddy Schreyer – mastering

Artwork
 * Martyn Atkins – photography (studio)
 * Glen E. Friedman – photography (back cover, water)
 * John Dolmayan – photography
 * Hallie Sirota – photography
 * Mark Wakefield – cover art
 * Shavo Odadjian – art direction, album art concepts
 * Brandy Flower – art direction, collage art
 * System of a Down – album art concepts
 * John Dolmayan – collage art
 * Shavo Odadjian – co-label art

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