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Talk:Cyrus the Great

Conflicting dates for Cyrus II's ascension of the throne and his father's death
please note that:

Cyrus II
 * also known as Cyrus the Great
 * son of Cambyses I

Cambyses I
 * also known as Atradates
 * father of Cyrus II

Here's the root of the conflicting dates:
excerpt from Cyrus the Great: "Cyrus the Great succeeded to the throne in 559 BC following his father's death"

excerpt from Cambyses I: "...his original name was Atradates, and he was wounded and later died in the Battle of the Persian Border which he, with his son, fought against Astyages. It occurred in about 551 BC..."

I cannot find any evidence that clears up these conflicting dates. In my mind, there are two outstanding questions:

 * 1) when and in what manner did Cyrus II ascend the throne of the Achaemenid Kingdom?
 * 2) when did Cambyses I / Atradates die?

After researching these topics as thoroughly as possible, my conclusions are:

 * 1) Cyrus II ascended the throne of the Achaemenid Kingdom in 559bce after his father, Cambyses I, abdicated.
 * 2) Cambyses I / Atradates died at the Battle of the Persian Border in 551bce.

Can anyone provide evidence to substantiate or refute these conclusions?

What era style should this article use?
I noticed that it happened quite a few times that people changed the era style of this article from AD/BC to CE/BCE. Per MOS:STYLERET, I think this is something that should be discussed on the talk page. Although I am not at all familiar with this article (I am merely a pending changes reviewer), using the CE/BCE style seems appropriate to me because this article does not have much to do with Christianity. ―JochemvanHees (talk) 21:47, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yah, I agree with you. History of AsiaWant to talk? 22:31, 30 April 2021 (UTC).
 * It's not about what religion is present, it's about the wiki MoS which says original style gets used. Manual of Style very first section says "retaining existing styles". Also, in this article 2 different styles were used. the MoS also says use the same style throughout.
 * "BC/AD" is not about Christianity so much as it is about long-established use by historians of the Western world. It's completely viable, and it is only in modern times that certain cranks got their ire up about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.111.44.55 (talk) 08:01, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

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Suggest image change
I suggest that the existing image, which is a painting of a winged man from Wallis, be replaced with a photograph taken of the lithograph itself in Pasargad. Sardartalk 15:47, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

 * I also suggest an image change, as it is likely that the figure depicted is inspired by an Assyrian Genius rather than meant to be an actual depiction of Cyrus. CramYourTram (talk) 10:38, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

How did Cyrus get his name if he was originally named Agradates
"Cyrus's father, Cambyses 1st, named him Cyrus after his grandfather, " KJV Isaiah 45 3,4 ---Here it states that God surnamed Cyrus. Verse 4--"I have surnamed thee" God only named 4 people in the scripitures (Cyrus, Issac, Solomon, Josiah-- KJV Companion Bible's sidebar concordance) Although a Persian Cyrus allowed the Temple walls and foundation laid by Nehimiah in Jerusalem.

KJV: Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego are figures from the biblical Book of Daniel, primarily chapter 3. In the narrative, the three Hebrew men are thrown into a fiery furnace by Nebuchadnezzar II, King of Babylon Cyrus conguered Babylon (as well as Media, Lydia)  Cyrus = "possess thou the furnace" (Strongs Concordance, Hebrew dictionary)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.134.101.41 (talk) 13:24, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think the Bible is really a strong piece of evidence for anything relating to Achaemenid naming customs. Ichthyovenator (talk) 17:45, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The Book of Daniel dates to the 2nd century BCE, about 4 centuries following Cyrus' death. The author makes veiled references to the military campaigns of Antiochus IV Epiphanes, but not to the king's death. Suggesting a composition date shortly prior to Antiochus' death in 164 BCE. Nothing in the book is historically reliable, and the fictional Daniel is possibly named after the legendary hero Danel. Danel is also referenced in the Book of Ezekiel. Dimadick (talk) 19:08, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Is the "Bachenheimer" source a forgery?
Came across a blog post, A New Old Persian Forgery, which references this Wikipedia page and claims that the source cited as "Bachenheimer, Avi (2018). Old Persian: Dictionary, Glossary and Concordance. Wiley and Sons. pp. 1–799" is actually a forgery not published by Wiley.

Seems to have been originally added in this edit.

Should it be removed?

--- Wikitiki89 (talk) - 08:01, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

I went ahead and removed it. But perhaps something more global needs to be done about it. Not sure how many other pages it's been used on. --- Wikitiki89 (talk) - 08:20, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

 * @Good catch, see  Doug Weller  talk 11:26, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Phoenicia ?
In the section on the Lydian revolt, it says that Harpagus captured "Lycia, Cilicia and Phoenicia" and then continues by saying "using the technique of building earthworks to breach the walls of besieged cities, a method unknown to the Greeks ." Now Lycia checks out, but Cilicia and Phoenicia is what bothers me. With Cilicia it’s plausible there were maybe some greeks (?), but I’m very familiar with Herodotus’ account and I know that at least he does not mention Cilicia as being part of the revolt. Plus Cilicia was, if I remember correctly, already a part of the Median Empire so its most likely not filled with Greek city-states Harpagus would have been fighting there.

As to Phoenicia, that’s just impossible, Cyrus hadn’t even conquered Babylon and all its vassals yet. And moreover I thought Harpagus was fighting Greek city-states (the Lydian revolt having already been put down) so while Cilicia is already a bit far off, Phoenicia, in addition to not even being "properly" Persian yet, is completely away from the original region he was fighting in. Moreover the phrase doesn’t even work because according to my understanding the Cilicians (again I could be wrong about this) are not Greek, nor are the Phonenicians; so either way the phrase needs to be reformulated.

Anyway the paragraph is unsourced so I don’t know if what I’m saying is totally wrong and I just don’t have the proper source material, but this phrase just seems a bit unrealistic. Reman Empire (talk) 19:09, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Anyways I just want to make sure I’m not missing out on anything here. I will be replacing Cilicia and Phoenicia with maybe Lycia, Aeolia and Caria. Now again my Only, and I mean Only source here is Herodotus so I’ll be using him as reference. Reman Empire (talk) 19:25, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Removed for the lead summary, possibly more detailed and/or better sourced than the same content in the article body, can be used there
In the 1970s, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the last Shah of Iran, identified Cyrus' inscriptions on the Cyrus Cylinder as the oldest-known declaration of human rights, and the Cylinder has since been popularized as such. However, this view has also been criticized by some Western historians as a misunderstanding of the Cylinder's generic nature as a traditional statement that ancient monarchs made at the beginning of their reign. 5.173.54.81 (talk) 05:22, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Let's make this puppy a good article!
Lets do this? Arotparaarms (talk) 03:05, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Image changes
@Onusread welcome to Wikipedia! Generally, on major article you want to discuss changes like swapping out the images used on the talk page first, to establish consensus for the changes. Remsense 诉  13:30, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

 * Hi. I am sorry, but exactly discussion for what? for adding a picture, any user should discuss with who ? why ? Onusread (talk) 14:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * generally, if you're changing or adding a picture you should explain why, is all. sorry if i've been unclear! Remsense  诉  14:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * OK. I get the picture from academic book. i introduce the source in wiki commons. This picture is from french painter which i introduce it in article page. have you another question ? Onusread (talk) 14:17, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Winged figure at Pasargadae and Cyrus
I have seen many topics suggest an image change. I also support an image change and I want to add that although the caption says that the winged figure at Pasargadae is Cyrus, this is hardly a consensus. Sekunda:

"If the figure represents a mortal, then it should represent Cyrus himself. Such an interpretation seems to be ruled out by the fact that the figure is winged, which can hardly be a mortal attribute. An inscription is known to have once stood above the winged figure in Gate R and is recorded in early drawings of the relief, for example in the Ker Porter engraving reproduced here (Fig. 22.10). It runs “I, Cyrus the King, an Achaemenid”. Below the two lines of Old Persian (at the top) the inscription is repeated in one line of Elamite and then in one line of Babylonian. It was once held that the figure must represent Cyrus because he is labelled with this inscription. It has since been pointed out, however, that the inscription is not unique, either to this doorway or to this particular figure. Two other examples of the same inscription still survive engraved on stone antae at Pasargadae, and two further examples of this same inscription (CMa in Kent’s categorization) are known to have once flanked the south-west portico of Palace S. These inscriptions are now known to have been retrospectively inscribed by Darius at a later date (Stronach 1990). They did not label anything. As far as one can tell they were inscribed on undecorated architectural members and are to be considered “building inscriptions” in the tradition of Mesopotamian building inscriptions of this type. Thus, although the inscription is in the first person, the inscription is to be understood as meaning “I, Cyrus the King, an Achaemenid (built this)”. They can be compared to the trilingual inscription DSc, which runs “I, Darius the Great King, King of Kings, King of countries, son of Hystaspes, an Achaemenid” and is preserved in two examples each written on the base of a column. Consequently the inscription cannot be used to support the argument that the winged figure is a portrait of Cyrus himself." https://www.google.ca/books/edition/The_World_of_Achaemenid_Persia/DmGJDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=pasargadae%20hmhm&pg=PA268&printsec=frontcover

For this reason we should decide on a new image and in the meantime change the caption to reflect that this may not be Cyrus. Pogenplain (talk) 00:03, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

To add:

"Yet as most scholars have long since acknowledged, the figure in the relief lacks all Achaemenid kingly attributes, including a scepter or a bow, a long beard, a lotus held in one hand, a royal tiara, or a Persian robe. In addition, it possesses wings, a strictly superhuman attribute. Also, at whatever exact date the trilingual Old Persian, Elamite, and Akkadian CMa inscription was carved above the winged figure (fig. 11), this specific copy was never intended to refer specifically to the figure beneath it. As Nylander has pointed out, the rules of symmetry in Achaemenid art would have dictated that this same inscription was carved in eight separate locations within Gate R, eight further locations in Palace S and in at least two locations in Palace P. In all these circumstances it is close to impossible to suppose that the four-winged figure was ever meant to represent a formal portrait of Cyrus."

https://www.jstor.org/stable/43896116 pg. 9

Pogenplain (talk) 03:36, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

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The Young Ones (TV series)

The Young Ones is a British sitcom written by Rik Mayall, Ben Elton, and Lise Mayer, starring Adrian Edmondson, Mayall, Nigel Planer, Christopher Ryan, and Alexei Sayle, and broadcast on BBC Two for two series, first shown in 1982 and 1984. The show focused on the lives of four dissimilar students and their landlord's family on different plots that often included anarchic, offbeat, surreal humour. The show often included slapstick gags, visual humour and surreal jokes sometimes acted out by puppets, with each episode also featuring a notable selection of guest stars and musical numbers from various performers.

The Young Ones helped bring alternative comedy to British television in the 1980s and made household names of its writers and performers. The show became a notable icon of 1980s British popular culture, and it received its own game and a home-media release while becoming the first non-music-related programme to appear on MTV in the United States in 1985. The show was voted number 31 in the BBC's Best Sitcom poll in 2004.

History
In the early 1980s, much of the programme's cast performed on London's comedy club circuit, gaining significant popularity at The Comedy Store —Alexei Sayle was the prominent act, drawing attention as the manic, aggressive compere; Adrian Edmondson and Rik Mayall worked together in the troupe 20th Century Coyote and later became the double act The Dangerous Brothers; and Nigel Planer worked in the double act "The Outer Limits" alongside Peter Richardson. All principal members later opted to make their own club as The Comedy Store became popular, and they formed The Comic Strip in the Raymond Revuebar club in Soho with French and Saunders and Arnold Brown. The new club proved immensely popular amongst London's comedy venues and brought the group to the attention of Jeremy Isaacs, head of the new Channel 4.

Richardson opted to bring the group to television in a project entitled The Comic Strip Presents... and began negotiations with the new channel to secure a deal for a series of six self-contained half-hour films, in which the group would perform as comedy actors rather than stand-up performers. Channel 4 agreed to the deal and aired the programme on the channel's opening night on 2 November 1982. In response to this, the BBC opted to recruit the group for their own comedy projects, and they began negotiations with Edmondson, Mayall, Richardson, Planer and Sayle to star in a sitcom that would operate on a similar broadcast arrangement, under the title of The Young Ones, which alludes to and subverts the song of the same name, written by Sid Tepper and Roy C. Bennett and performed by Cliff Richard and The Shadows, which had become a No. 1 UK hit single in 1962. The group agreed to join the project and work proceeded on the sitcom, with Mayall co-writing the scripts with his then girlfriend Lise Mayer, and Ben Elton (who had attended the University of Manchester with Mayall and Edmondson). Paul Jackson was installed as a producer, but his presence led to him clashing with Richardson, forcing the latter to abandon the project. As a result, his replacement was Christopher Ryan, the only member of the group who was not a stand-up comedian. According to Jackson, the finished project was met with complete disbelief by the BBC, but the recent arrival of Channel 4 led the broadcaster to air what had been created a week after its opening night, on 9 November.

To help make it stand out, the group opted to combine traditional sitcom style with violent slapstick, non-sequitur plot turns, and surrealism. These older styles were mixed with the working and lower-middle class attitudes of the growing 1980s alternative comedy boom, in which all the principal performers except Ryan had been involved. In addition, it was also decided that every episode, with the exception of one, would feature a live performance by a band, including Madness, Motörhead, and The Damned. This was a device used to qualify the series for a larger budget, as variety shows attracted higher fees than comedy at the time. Episodes were generally produced to be over 35 minutes long, though were edited to half-hour when later repeated on the BBC or satellite channels.

Premise
The programme focuses on the lives of four undergraduate students who share a house in squalid condition (with the fictitious address of 15 Credibility Street), while attending their studies at the fictional Scumbag College, London.

The content of the episodes could be classified as a comedy of manners, because of its take on British culture, political climate and social backgrounds during the 1980s. A particular example of this is the second series' use of "Subliminal message|flash frames", in each episode, to mock the public's fear of subliminal messages in television and music. The Young Ones was more notable for its use of violent slapstick, which Edmondson and Mayall had been using in their double-act routines, the use of surreal elements such as puppets playing the role of talking animals or objects (in a similar manner to The Goodies), use of lengthy cutaways with no relation to the episode's plot, and frequent breaches of the fourth wall for comedic efforts, either to break a punchline to a joke or make a plot point obvious; in several occasions, Sayle used this element to break from his character and address the audience in his real-life Liverpudlian accent.

Rik Mayall once jokingly said that the household was effectively a nuclear family, with Mike as the father, Neil as the mother, Vyvyan as the rebellious son, and Rick (with a pig-tail) as the daughter.

Cast
The Young Ones had a regular cast of five:
 * Adrian Edmondson as Vyvyan "Vyv" Basterd, a heavy metal fan and medical student; psychopathic, sociopathic, sadistic, and misanthropic. Vyv was mostly violent and unruly, respecting Mike and tending to pick on his fellow students Rick and Neil, primarily focusing on antagonising the former to the point that they are virtually inseparable. Vyvyan owned both a talking Glaswegian hamster named Special Patrol Group ("SPG" for short), who is subjected to Vyvyan's extreme violence, and a yellow Ford Anglia with red flames painted along the sides and "Vyv" written across the back window.
 * Rik Mayall as Rick, studying sociology and/or domestic sciences (depending on the episode); hypocritical, radical, attention-seeking, and a self-proclaimed anarchist. Rick is mostly critical towards the others, often insulting Neil but also occasionally Vyvyan (despite Vyvyan's violent retaliation to criticism). He proclaimed himself as a vegetarian and an avid fan of Cliff Richard, while constantly adapting himself to different political beliefs, depending on how they will benefit him in a particular situation, despite displaying little understanding of them. According to Ben Elton, Mayall's character was influenced by the "try-hard wanna-be Leftie" typically found on university campuses.
 * Nigel Planer as Neil Pye, a peace studies student; a morose, pessimistic hippie with pacifist leanings. Neil often wound up having to do all the chores around the house, while the other three students barely acknowledged his presence unless they could blame him for something going wrong.
 * Christopher Ryan as Mike Thecoolperson, an unscrupulous student; cool, well-dressed, and generally respected. Mike was the straight man and nominal leader of the group. He often conducted profitable business to benefit himself to the detriment of others, but also to keep the others calm during unforeseen issues or situations. It was implied that he held on to his student status through blackmailing the university's senior staff.
 * Alexei Sayle as various eccentric supporting characters, mostly the students' landlord Jerzei (Jeremy) Balowski and his family. Jerzei himself was a faux-Russian in that he mainly used a Russian accent to sound "more sophisticated".

Alongside the main cast, the programme also featured a variety of guest appearances, including comedians, actors, and singers, who each took on the role of a supporting character in an episode's plot or cutaway elements. Notable guests on the programme included Ben Elton, Dawn French, Jennifer Saunders, Hale and Pace, Stephen Fry, Hugh Laurie, Mark Arden, Stephen Frost, Jools Holland, Mel Smith, Griff Rhys Jones, Anthony Sharp, Terry Jones, Chris Barrie, Helen Lederer, Keith Allen, Paul Merton, Paul Bradley, Pauline Melville, Tamsin Heatley, Ronnie Golden, Roger Sloman, Lee Cornes, Helen Atkinson Wood, Norman Lovett, Lenny Henry, David Rappaport, Robbie Coltrane, Tony Robinson, Andy De La Tour and Emma Thompson.

International broadcast
In the United States, The Young Ones started airing on MTV (edited for content) on 5 June 1985. The show also ran on PBS, USA Network's Night Flight, Comedy Central in 1994, and BBC America in the early 2000s.

In New Zealand, the show premiered late at night on 23 August 1985, after TVNZ purchased the broadcast rights.

In the Netherlands, the show was aired in 1985 by public broadcaster VPRO.

In Catalonia, public broadcaster TV3 began airing the show in February 1986 on a Sunday evening slot. The show became very popular and got several re-runs in successive years. In 2016, Nigel Planer appeared in a show involving foreign travellers visiting Catalonia. One of the characteristics of the Catalan dubbing is that Vyvyan speaks with a thick Catalan rural accent, totally opposed to his urban environment in the series.

In Galicia it was shown on regional channel TVG with great success among younger audiences.

In Sweden it was called Hemma värst and was first broadcast in October 1985 by the public broadcaster Sveriges Television.

Music
The series' opening theme song featured the cast singing Cliff Richard and The Shadows's UK No. 1 song "The Young Ones" (1961), the title song from the film of the same name. Throughout the series there are many references to Richard, as Mayall's character is a devout fan.

The theme over the end credits was written by Peter Brewis, who also created the incidental music on many episodes.

In 1984, after the second series, Planer (in character as Neil) reached No. 2 in the UK charts with a version of Traffic's "Hole in My Shoe". The accompanying Neil's Heavy Concept Album, a loose collection of songs and spoken comedy, included appearances by The Young Ones alumni Dawn French and Stephen Fry.

In 1986 the cast sang "Living Doll" with Cliff Richard and Hank Marvin for Comic Relief. The song, a reworking of his 1959 hit, reached the top of the UK, Australian, and New Zealand Charts.

Eleven of the twelve episodes had a musical guest performing in the house or street. By including the groups, the show qualified as variety rather than light entertainment by the BBC and was allocated a bigger budget than a sitcom. Groups that appeared included Amazulu, Ronnie Golden, Dexys Midnight Runners, Motörhead, The Damned, Nine Below Zero, Rip Rig + Panic, Ken Bishops Nice Twelve, Radical Posture, John Otway and Madness, who appeared in two episodes. The one episode that featured no musical act still fulfilled the variety criteria by including a lion tamer whose presence also directly contributed to the plot.

Some of these performances were omitted from DVD release for copyright reasons. Some musical acts were also edited out for similar reasons on some satellite reruns. On the 2007 DVD release, all the music acts are restored uncut.

The fifth housemate
In the first six episodes of the series, a person whose face is covered by hair appears in the background of some scenes, such as to the left when Neil gets hit by Vyvyan with a kettle in "Bomb". In the episode Demolition, the person appears slumped against the back wall when Rick is watching TV. These rumours of a mysterious fifth housemate have been the subject of fan speculation on the internet. In 2016 journalist Peter Farquhar sent members of the cast and crew email enquiries about this unnamed character. Writer Ben Elton replied, saying "I have no idea what you are talking about I'm afraid..." By contrast, one of the directors of the series, Geoff Posner, said that he and Paul Jackson "thought it would be fun to have some ghostly figure in the background of some scenes that was never explained or talked about..."

During an event at the Bristol Slapstick Festival 2018, Ade Edmondson was asked about the fifth housemate during an audience question session, and named the person playing the 'fifth housemate' as his university friend Mark Dewison. Mark also played a speaking role as Neil's friend (also called 'Neil') during series one episode "Interesting". He emerges from Vyvyan's full vacuum cleaner bag and ends up being shoved into the fridge by Rick. However, Dewison and the fifth housemate appear together in the same shot towards the end of the episode. In a documentary, How the Young Ones Changed Comedy, that aired in 2018 on Gold, series co-writer Lise Mayer said she believed the housemate had arrived to a party at the student house at some point in the past, and had never left.

Filming locations
Although the series was set in north London, many external scenes were filmed in Bristol, namely the suburb of Bishopston, where the student house is situated at the top of Codrington Road. Other locations include the Fascist Pig Bank, the Launderette and the Army Careers Office, all around the corner on Gloucester Road. The pub in which Vyvyan's mum works, the Kebab and Calculator in the series, was the Cock of the North (since renamed the Westbury Park Tavern) in Northumbria Drive, Bristol. A brief scene in a pharmacy was filmed outside GK Chemists, later taken over by Lloyds Pharmacy, in St Johns Lane, Bedminster. The shop was renamed "OK Chemists" for the scene, in which Mike goes to buy cough medicine, but orders £180 worth of Durex condoms instead—"Force of habit".

Reception
As of 2024, Rotten Tomatoes reports five positive reviews. The series was also praised by Ian Hislop.

Legacy
The end of the series was not the last appearance of The Young Ones. For the British charity television appeal Comic Relief, the four recorded a song and video for Cliff Richard's "Living Doll", accompanied by Richard and Shadows guitarist Hank B. Marvin. Alexei Sayle was not involved, as he felt collaborating with Richard was against the alternative ethos of the show, but had already achieved chart success in 1984 with "'Ullo John! Gotta New Motor?".

In 1984, Planer released an album of music and skits in character as Neil, entitled Neil's Heavy Concept Album. Musical direction was by Canterbury scene keyboardist Dave Stewart. It featured Stewart's alums Barbara Gaskin, Jakko Jakszyk, Pip Pyle, Gavin Harrison, Jimmy Hastings and Rick Biddulph. "Hole in My Shoe", a single taken from the LP, reached number 2. Soulwax used "Hello Vegetables" to kick off their Radio Soulwax mix "Introversy."

The program became a cult hit in the United States after MTV began broadcasting edited versions of the episodes during the summer of 1985. Conan O'Brien cited the show as one of his influences during a Q&A at the Oxford Union.

At the 1986 Comic Relief stage shows, The Young Ones performed "Living Doll" live (following a short skit which involved Rick doing a comic song about showing his underwear and bodily parts, before being ejected from the group by Mike, and Vyvyan supposedly having backstage sex with Kate Bush with Neil as his contraceptive). The skit climaxed with Neil claiming Cliff Richard could not perform with them as he was "doing time" (the musical Time was premiering the following week) and John Craven had been booked as a replacement, only for Cliff to then appear. However he was only available to appear on the second night of the run, with Bob Geldof replacing him on the other two nights.

On one occasion, Edmondson, Mayall and Planer as their "Young Ones" characters did a parody of the song "My Generation" by The Who.

Mayall, Planer, and Edmondson reunited in 1986 for the Elton-written Filthy Rich & Catflap. The series had many of the same characteristics as The Young Ones as did Mayall and Edmondson's next sitcom Bottom. Ryan, for his part, was regularly recruited to play roles on associated series (such as Happy Families, Bottom and Absolutely Fabulous). Mayall, Edmondson and Planer have also appeared in episodes of Blackadder.

Both series were repeated consecutively over twelve weeks in early 1985, but went unrepeated for four years, when the second series was shown on BBC Two. In the mid-1990s all twelve episodes of The Young Ones were shown on BBC Two in a 30-minute revised format, missing scenes and dialogue. The series was also shown on digital channel UK Gold throughout the 1990s. A mix of both the edited and unedited versions was shown in the 2000s (decade) on UKTV G2 and Paramount Comedy 1.

DVD releases were initially very basic: Only the US "Every Stoopid Episode" edition featured excerpts from existing documentaries, and no extra footage was included. Musical references proved difficult to clear so "The Sounds of Silence" (one line) and "Subterranean Homesick Blues" were excised from the US editions. A new DVD release of all episodes ("Extra Stoopid Edition") was launched in November 2007, containing new documentaries and two commentary tracks. This edition restores the line from "The Sounds of Silence" and "Subterranean Homesick Blues". The music video "Living Doll" featuring Cliff Richard has not been included on any edition, and neither is the live performance done for comic relief in 1986.

American pilot episode
A pilot episode was filmed of an American version of The Young Ones, titled Oh, No! Not THEM!. It featured Planer as Neil and Jackie Earle Haley, and had a claymation opening credit sequence. The Fox network did not pick up the series. It was produced by David Mirkin.

Robert Llewellyn wrote in his book The Man in the Rubber Mask (1994):

"The Young Ones was taken over the Atlantic in the mid eighties, and Nigel [Planer] was the only member of the British cast to go. He had experienced a fairly hideous time, worried sick that he was going to have to stay there for six years with a group of people he hated who managed to make The Young Ones into a sort of grubby Benny Hill Show. He was hugely relieved when the pilot was a flop and he was released from his contract."

Links to other shows
In the episode "Bambi", the housemates appeared on University Challenge, where they played against Footlights College, Oxbridge, a reference to the Footlights drama club at Cambridge University. The Footlights College team was played by show writer Ben Elton and three actors who were once members of the real Cambridge Footlights: Emma Thompson, Hugh Laurie and Stephen Fry, the last of whom had actually appeared on the quiz show while at Cambridge. The episode title is a reference to the show's presenter, Bamber Gascoigne, impersonated by Griff Rhys Jones.

In the episode "Sick", the quartet enter a scenario parodying The Good Life, after Neil's mother says the sitcom should be more like The Good Life and Vyvyan has an outburst against it, saying, "It's so bloody nice! Felicity 'Treacle' Kendal and Richard 'Sugar-Flavoured Snot' Briers! What do they do now?! Chocolate-bloody-button ads, that's what! They're nothing but a couple of reactionary stereotypes, confirming the myth that everyone in Britain is a lovable middle-class eccentric. And I! Hate! Them!"

Mayall and Edmondson elaborated on some of the series' concepts later in their sitcoms Filthy Rich & Catflap (written by Elton, with additional material by Mayall) and Bottom (written by Mayall and Edmondson. Christopher Ryan also appeared as Dave Hedgehog).

Most of the regular cast (and several of the guests) also appeared in Channel 4 and BBC Two's The Comic Strip Presents comedy shows. All four main actors went on to gain reputations as both dramatic and comic actors.

In 1988, while playing main character Alan B'Stard during a brief skit of his political sitcom The New Statesman on the BBC's Comic Relief telethon, Mayall switched characters to become Rick again and deliver a brief lustful turn to camera on the subject of "Cecil Parkinson and a whip". In the same year, Planer and Edmondson revived the characters of Neil and Vyvyan, albeit grown up and wearing standard clothes, in an advert for Friends Provident.

Planer played an older Neil on an in-house BBC promotion for the international channel BBC Knowledge ("I haven't got a TV, I used it for firewood") in 1999 and a commercial for Castrol a year later.

In 1990, ITV puppet series Spitting Image made reference to The Young Ones when four members of the Margaret Thatcher cabinet reminisced about their younger days, with all four playing one Young Ones character each: Cecil Parkinson as Mike, Douglas Hurd as Vyvyan, Michael Heseltine as Rick and Geoffrey Howe as Neil.

The 2006 SpongeBob SquarePants episode "Chimps Ahoy" featured Mayall, Ryan and Planer as guest stars, playing a trio of chimpanzees who come to inspect the progress Sandy Cheeks has made with her inventions.

Episodes
When originally broadcast, episodes were shown on BBC Two Tuesdays at 9 pm.

Repeats
The series achieved a larger audience through 1980s repeat screenings than it did on first run. Repeats of the programme in the 1990s, when the series was considerably older and less topical, fared less well. As Bambi was also screened during a BBC1 Comic Relief evening (not included below), it was the most-repeated episode, with six repeat screenings from 1985 to 1999. The repeat details of the series up to 2000 were as follows:

 * Joint chart placing.

Home media
Both series of The Young Ones have both been released on DVD individually and in a special edition boxset in both regions 2 and 4. Region 1 has two boxsets, one with certain sequences removed due to licensing issues, the other uncut. The entire series is also available for download on iTunes. The series was released on Blu-ray on 28 November 2022 in region B.

The original VHS releases were in a set of 4, each tape containing 3 episodes. The Series 1 and 2 DVDs are rated 15 and three of the VHS releases were rated PG. There were also complete series 1 and complete series 2 VHS releases. In March 2022 the series was added to BBC Iplayer. The episodes are the 30-minute '90s edits.

Video game
The Young Ones is a 1986 video game based on the British comedy television series of the same name.

The game takes place in the students' home. The player can choose to play as either Mike, Neil, Vyvyan or Rick to explore the house and enter different rooms. The other characters become computer-controlled players. All characters can move around the house, pick up and drop objects, as well as break and fix things. The characters often talk, giving the player clues as to what the character is intended to do. The aim of the game is to try and move out of the house with all the character's belongings in the shortest time possible. This is not so easy, because these possessions are typically not in their preferred condition, or are hidden around the house, and players need various tools to get to them. The other characters will move around the house, behaving in-character, occasionally moving around or further damaging the possessions—making the task harder.

The game was published by Orpheus Software, based in Hatley St George in Bedfordshire. The Young Ones characters were licensed from the owners of the BBC TV series, Rik Mayall, Ben Elton and Lise Mayer.

Due to difficulty in licensing the original series music from the BBC, an alternative music sound track was commissioned to sound similar to the original theme. Over 10,000 copies of the game were sold, mainly through Boots stores, Woolworths, and independent computer stores. Due to obscure bugs in the software, it was impossible to solve the game, although few users realised this at the time. Orpheus ceased trading before the problems could be remedied.

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Curry College

Curry College is a private college in Milton, Massachusetts. It was founded as the School of Elocution and Expression by Anna Baright in 1879. In 1885, it was taken over and renamed by Samuel Silas Curry.

History
Curry College was founded in 1879 on Boston's Beacon Street near the State House by Anna Baright as the School of Elocution and Expression. Baright graduated from the Boston University School of Oratory in 1877 and was described by one of her professors as "the greatest woman reader in the country." This was a significant compliment in an era of oratory when speakers like Charles Dickens and Mark Twain were paid thousands to read lengthy pieces of their work. In 1882, Baright married Boston minister and fellow Boston University alumnus and professor Samuel Silas Curry.

The School of Elocution and Expression had many prominent Bostonians on its Board including Alexander Graham Bell, Alexander Melville Bell, the father of Alexander Graham Bell, legendary Harvard President Charles W. Eliot and author William Dean Howells, who wrote The Rise of Silas Lapham and was nominated for the Nobel Prize for Literature. Among the students in attendance were Smiley Blanton and Sara Stinchfield Hawk, who became pioneers in the field of speech language pathology.

In 1885, the school became the School of Expression and, in 1888, the school was chartered by the state. Silas Curry became the head of the school, and Anna Baright Curry became a professor. Former Boston University School of Oratory professor and telephone inventor Alexander Graham Bell became the school's first chancellor from 1907 to 1922 when Mr. Bell died. Bell, as a professor at Boston University, taught Samuel Silas Curry and, according to the recollections of Curry's daughter, Silas Curry was present when Bell made the first telephone call in 1876. After Mr. Bell's death, Samuel Silas Curry and Anna Baright ran the school until their respective deaths in 1921 and Avenue. In 1932, Curry College relocated to the Bigelow Mansion at 251 Commonwealth Avenue in the Back Bay. In 1932, Curry began a radio broadcasting major, still considered the oldest of its kind in the country. In 1938, the Massachusetts Legislature gave the institution the power to confer the degrees of Bachelor of Science of Oratory and Master of Science of Oratory. In 1943, the School of Expression became Curry College to reflect its founders.

Curry College moved from Commonwealth Avenue in Boston to its current suburban location in Milton, Massachusetts in 1952. Curry continued to place strong emphasis on communication and self-development but it now became more diversified in its curriculum. In 1953, the college was authorized by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts to confer the Bachelor of Arts and Bachelor of Science Degrees. The first of these degrees was awarded in 1955.

Despite the dramatic change in the school's mission after the 1952 move to Milton, Massachusetts, Curry College maintained its debt to its founders and their scholarship focus that centered on the delivery of words. Curry College sponsors an award-winning, non-commercial radio station WMLN-FM 91.5 operated by Curry students.

During the 1960s, the growth of Curry was led by President John Hafer, a former Academic Dean at Coe College in Cedar Rapids, Iowa and Dean of Admissions at Syracuse University.

Academics
Curry College offers bachelor's degrees in 25 majors and master's degree in four majors. One certificate program is administered through the Continuing Education office. Army and Air Force Reserve Officers Training Corps (ROTC) programs are offered through a cross-enrolled program with Boston University.

Curry College is accredited by the New England Commission of Higher Education.

Campus
Curry's main campus in Milton is 131 acres near the Blue Hills Reservation. The campus is 7 mile from downtown Boston. Curry maintains a satellite campus in Plymouth offering eight bachelor's degree programs, two master's degree programs, and one certificate program, through the Office of Continuing Education and Graduate Studies.

The Milton campus is separated into north and south campuses with the Student Center located in the center of campus. The campus has 19 residence halls with a mix of traditional dormitories, suites and houses. Plans are underway to build a dome-style sports complex and a food court.

Student Center
The Student Center opened its doors in September, 2009. It replaced the Drapkin Student Center. The 84,000 square foot building houses a 5,500 square foot fitness center, a gymnasium, a dining marketplace, a game room, the James P. O'Toole Chapel and multiple meeting rooms and lounges. The mail room, campus bookstore, Disability Services, Conference and Event Services, Residence Life office, and Student Activities office are also located within the Student Center. The Hallways of Champions, located outside of the doors of the gymnasium, showcases trophies and awards of teams and individual athletes throughout Curry's history.

The Curry College Student Center, with its central campus location and wide array of activities, services and spiritual activities including The Newman Club for Catholic students, Hillel for Jewish students and JAM (Jesus and ME) for non-denominational Christians has been the hub of the Curry campus since its opening in 2009.

Student life
Curry has an enrollment of approximately 4,250 students. 2,100 are traditional students from over 31 states and 13 countries. Approximately 1,500 of these students reside in the nineteen residence halls on campus. 1,650 Curry students study in continuing education courses and about 500 Curry students are in graduate school pursuing master's degrees and certificates. Continuing education and graduate students study at either the main Milton campus or the Plymouth satellite campus.

Extra curriculars
Curry students made over 36 clubs and organizations. Students are offered the opportunity to create new clubs which takes about three years as through the Student Activities Office. Students can also take part in TMZ Boston, which houses an office on campus.

Athletics
Curry College's athletic teams are nicknamed the Colonels. Curry is a member of the NCAA Division III and participates in the Commonwealth Coast Conference.

Curry offers baseball, basketball, football, ice hockey, lacrosse, soccer and tennis for men and basketball, cross country, lacrosse, soccer, softball, tennis and volleyball for women. All sports are played on campus except for hockey which plays at the Canton Ice House in Canton, Massachusetts.

Curry also has numerous intramural and club sports. The men's rugby club competes throughout New England with other colleges. The Curry College Bowling team and Billiards Club compete with surrounding colleges. The team members receive individual and group lessons on and off campus. Additional clubs exist on campus that do not compete against other colleges' clubs.

The Boston Patriots, now the New England Patriots, used the Curry College football field for its in-season practice facility in 1967 while playing its home games in Fenway Park. During its year at Curry the Patriots were led by American Football League MVP Jim Nance, Hall of Fame member Nick Buoniconti and kicker and longtime Patriot announcer, Gino Cappelletti. Heisman Trophy winner Joe Bellino from Winchester and The Naval Academy was also a member of the Boston team as was Everett High School and Harvard University great, Bobby Leo.

Starting in 2020, Curry announced that they would no longer be using the colonel mascot on uniforms or merchandise. A decision on whether to change the team name is pending

Notable alumni

 * Michael Skakel nephew of Robert Kennedy and defendant in infamous murder trial whose guilty verdict was vacated.
 * Ken Coleman, sports announcer for the Boston Red Sox, Cleveland Indians, Cleveland Browns, and Cincinnati Reds; member of the Boston Red Sox Hall of Fame.
 * Mara Davis, an award-winning radio DJ in Atlanta
 * James S. Gracey, former Commandant of the United States Coast Guard
 * Hal Halpin, president and founder of the Entertainment Consumers Association (ECA)
 * Buddy Lazier, winner of 1996 Indianapolis 500
 * Marc Maron, podcaster and comedian (attended, but did not graduate)
 * Bill McColgan, sports announcer for the Cleveland Browns, Cleveland Indians, Washington Redskins, and New Orleans Saints
 * Jeff Perry, former MA State Rep, former Special Sheriff of Barnstable County.
 * Jordan Rich, radio talk show host
 * Mark Snyder, national radio talk show host (PMPNetwork.com), and syndicated columnist (Gatehouse Media)
 * Grace Hyde Trine, writer, lecturer, dramatic reader

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Talk:The Young Ones (TV series)

Characters
The main characters were four undergraduate students sharing a house: violent punk Vyvyan (Adrian Edmondson), pompous would-be anarchist Rick (Rik Mayall), long-suffering hippie Neil (Nigel Planer), and the suave and diminutive Mike (Christopher Ryan).

Vyvian wasn't really a punk, he was more a heavy metal fan - he may have had a vaguely punk style haircut (although in reality it was more akin to the future style used by Keith Flint in the Prodigy) but the idea of wearing a sleeveless denim jacket is certainly a metal thing, and the T shirts he wore were usually metal bands (Motorhead etc), I don't recall him ever wearing anything like a "Exploited" T shirt. When the guys had their party, Vyvian was seen chatting to a load of bikers. Definitely not a punk. And I would have said that Rick was more of a "trendy lefty" student than an anarchist, wasn't he? He mentions in "Sick" that he is a member of the "Friends of Stalin Society" - he'd hardly join that if he was an anarchist! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.139.222.104 (talk) 10:06, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Rick claimed to be an anarchist in the pilot episode and later during an exchange with one of the party guests, but I think the "poser leftie" moniker fits him better than any other. Vyvian was modeled after punkers, but you're right in that his music taste ran more toward metal. At the time the series was made, there was a great deal of visual commonality between the metal and punk community. Intothatdarkness (talk) 14:39, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Vyvyan came across as a punk to me, no metal head has hair like that, or acts like that, and the studs in the forehead are a reference to punk piercings, not literally a 'metal head' joke. The name Vyvyan is also a referece to Vivienne Westwood, noted punk fashion designer.--Dr zoidberg590 (talk) 05:35, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Is Note 1 necessary? Seems to be stating the obvious — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.40.177.176 (talk) 02:12, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Songs
I moved the content from the disambiguation page, reorganising it slightly in the process. I'm not convinced that the last paragraph is correct. I thought they only recorded "Living Doll" with Sir Cliff (in fact, I've got the record), but they used "The Young Ones", sung by themselves, as the theme tune to the programme. Is that not right? Deb 22:10 Feb 9, 2003 (UTC)

 * You're right about that. Bagpuss 22:31 Feb 9, 2003 (UTC)
 * Yes you are right. The last fact is incorrect. See the Comic Relief page, where I added the Comic Relief singles. Mintguy

What was this show?
From the article:
 * "famous bands would play, for no apparent reason...by including the groups, the show qualified as light entertainment and therefore got a higher budget than a mere sitcom."

then near the end
 * "The reason bands appeared in the first place was because it categorised the show as Variety rather than Entertainment and consequently got a larger BBC budget."

So which exact categories were they using the bands to get from and to? Does it really need to be said twice? Boffy b 15:18, 2004 Sep 18 (UTC)

 * To my knowledge, BBC allowed a bigger budget for variety shows than the typical "sitcom" shows. By having a live band they were able to classify themselves as variety and therefore ask the BBC for a larger budget.  It would seem it would be classified as a variety show, only by the strictest definition pertaining to the BBC.  It would really just be a comedy where the creators used a loophole to get a bigger budget.--Skeev 19:04, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

If I recall correctly, the BBC category the show was shooting for was "Light Entertainment."DegreeAbsolute 06:12, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Ben Elton confirmed this "band = light entertainment = bigger budget" formula for "TYO" in an interview somewhere in the early ninteies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.72.216.84 (talk) 17:22, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Peace Studies
I've made a slight change to Neil's information. It did say "non-existant Peace Studies degree". I don't know if this is meant to reter to "then" (i.e. when the series was made) or not, but this degree does exist and I know people who've graduated with it! Bradford University at the very least was doing it about 8 years ago when I was there, and in fact had a Peace Studies department.

Perversely, they studied war for 4 years. Go figure. IainP (talk) 12:07, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Reminds me of 1984. The Ministry of Love is all about War.

Peace studies was indeed a Degree course in Early 1980s Britain, as there was a small number of them in my University (Poly it was called then) onfortuntaly life imitates art and they were all exactly like Neil!!. 217.44.63.245 19:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, it was earlier than that; I started the degree course in 1976. RolandR (talk) 09:38, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

 * No, the Ministry of Peace (Minipax) is all about War in 1984 :) See Ministries of Oceania - Man in shack (talk) 02:27, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

 * And of course the Ministry of Love was all about Hate(torture, humiliation, dehumanization etc.)Racerx11 (talk) 00:43, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

short film featuring young ones cast!!!!!!
can ANYONE PLEASE TELL ME if they remember a show, or short film, which i saw on MTV after an episod of the Young Ones, probably in '89, featuring definately Rik and I think Ade and Nigel. it WAS NOT FUNNY. it was desperately dark and the guys were involved in some sort of anthropology dept. recreation of early human existance. they lived in a little tee pee out on the quad of the college or something. I think someone got killed in the end a la Lord of the Flies.....It's been bugging me for YEARS!!! HELP!!! mojojo33@yahoo.com

 * Hello Mojo: no need to shout. Sounds like you're thinking of "Summer School", an episode from Season One of The Comic Strip Presents. Nigel, Rik and Adrian were all in the cast, and the plot fits what you remember: an experimental Iron Age settlement on a University Campus. While it was a comedy, it was a lot darker in mood and less slapstick than the Young Ones. potatoscone 11:29, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Cameo Role
One cameo role that is not mentioned in the list on the main page is of the psychopath who appears for no apparent reason in a blank background shot by himself in Summer Holiday. He mutters - whilst staring and gesticulating wildly - something like 'I went to me neighbours house to borrow his drill, but he weren't in, so I broke in and ate his fish tank! Ha-hah, you won't catch me with me trousers!'.

Anyone know who was the actor who played that role? Martyn Smith 11:58, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds like Mr Brian Damage, played by Alexei Sayle DavidFarmbrough 08:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

No, it wasn't him. Brian Damage was a character 'within' the show wasn't he? The character above appeared out of nowhere, in his own scene, wasn't played by Alexei (it was an actor who doesn't appear anywhere else in the series), and didn't have any connection with any other part of the show. Wasn't Brian Damage the character who didn't like anybody being 'sar-cah-stic'? Martyn Smith 10:49, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Yeah, that's Brian. I know who you mean - he sort of slide-cuts in, says his peice (no-one laughs and then he's gone - but I can't find any info on who he is. I'm guessing he;s some shite alternative comedian.--Crestville 13:04, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

 * The episode he appears in is Cash, between the scenes where Vyvyan announces his pregnancy and Mike bites off all his fingernails in the hallway with worry. I can't remember his name, but I'll dig out the DVD and find out... Bentley Banana 11:40, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Oh this is going to be very annoying. I've got the DVD here, and the credits are all in one big chunk. Unless you indervidually eliminate all the names from the 'With' credit section, I think we're stuffed. - Treen

First of all, that scene does not occur in Summer Holiday, instead it's in Cash. The guest star credits are all like that, making it difficult to identify roles... however I am 90% certain the psychopathic nudist cameo is played by none other than Nigel Planer! A similar actor inversion occurs in Bomb when the DHSS lady is watching "Dicky and Dino" before telling off Rick, who's there to send a telegram to "Thatcher." Dicky is none other than Rik Mayal and Dino is Nigel Planer. If you watch the extras disc which shows clips from The Outer Limits and The Comic Strip, you'll see Nigel's non-hippy appearance is very much like the psychopath nudist. He also plays Famine in the the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse scene in Interesting. -Keith Savage
 * It's not Nigel Planer, it's a totally differant actor. I think eveyone knew Dicky and Dino were Planer and Mayall - stuff like that happened regularly - but this was certainly a differant actor.--Crestville 12:53, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Definitely not Planer. I'm pretty sure it's Daniel Peacock. I couldn't find any decent pictures of him on the web, but perhaps these might be good enough to confirm? --HappyDog (talk) 12:49, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

IMDB lists in its cast credits for the episode "Cash" - Steve Dixon as "Madman". If you think it deserves mention in the main article I can or anyone can add it to the list.Racerx11 (talk) 21:05, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

 * I went ahead and added Steve Dixon as Madman to the guest list.Racerx11 (talk) 05:03, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Im unsure if its the intent to list every actor and role in the list of Guest Appearances. I noticed when I found the madman character in Cash that IMDB (Internet Movie Database) has much more complete list than this article. Should I add to this list using IMDB as a source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Racerx11 (talk • contribs) 21:38, 9 July 2010 (UTC) Racerx11 (talk) 21:40, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

 * IMDB isn't considered a reliable source, so I would say not. Personally, I'm not a fan of cameo sections, as unless the actor/actress is generally as famous as the main stars themselves they often end up being fancruft.   a_man_alone (talk) 05:06, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

images
I recently bought the dvds of the young ones and on at least a few episodes (i havent watched them all yet) there are images put in for maybe 10 frames, for example in the episode 'nasty', the is an image of someone making pottery with a potters wheel. Is this just on the dvds or on the program itself? Does anyone know anything about this? Raemie 12:53, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * There is some info on this in the article. They were shown on the orginal arings, removed for repeats and restored on the DVD :)--Crestville 17:11, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks, i really should start reading more carefully. Raemie 12:35, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

They were on the vhs releases as well.

I remember this - one or two very strange blipvert/subliminal inserts in shows in the second series, one featuring a bird (maybe a parrot or similar). Who was behind this? What was it all about? Shows you how much freedom they had.

i noticed the bird on season 2 episode 5 - sick. About 20:42 to be exact, i have no idea what its about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.30.129 (talk) 21:45, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Vyvyan's T-shirts
For being a such a hardcore punk rocker, Vyvyan didn't wear a lot of punk rock bands on his t-shirts, did he? I remember him wearing t-shirts for Whitesnake, Motorhead, KISS, and Rush. Can anyone remember any others?

Saxon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.76.41.239 (talk) 11:01, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Vyvyan's Denim Jacket
His jacket had the words VERY METAL on the back. Not very punk really!! Chilkoot
 * How so?--Crestville 15:58, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

 * His so called "punk" image, I think, is satirising what a punk really was. It was just making satire out of the character and the stereotype. You know, an ironic punk.

I disagree. Very Metal, despite their name, were actually a hardcore punk band in the same vein as Exploited or Black Flag. So, it actually goes quite well with his punk image. Eugenespeed

 * Is it this band?, -- Trevj (talk) 10:31, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Very Metal was indeed a hardcore punk band, but they did not form until 10-12 years after The Young Ones was made (1994). They actually took their name from the words on Vyvian's jacket, not the other way round. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.8.200.213 (talk) 11:32, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

The Young Ones Stage Show
Whilst watching a Comedy Connections programme on The Young Ones tonight on BBC 1 it mentioned that there was a Young Ones theatre tour. Could anyone with any knowledge of this add any information relating to this and was it ever released on video or broadcast on television? --Wrh1973 22:11, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Series ended too early?
I recall a recent interview with Alexei Sayle where he commented that he thought that it was a mistake to end the programme after only 12 episodes, apparently with the justification that "Fawlty Towers did it and finished on a high, so we will too". Personally I'm inclined to agree, and think it's a shame they didn't do a third series. Anyway, my feelings aside, would this be worth a mention in the main article? Can anybody else remember the interview in question? Chris 11:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Better to leave the party too early than too late. As John Cleese Anyway, you've got Filthy Rich and Catflap, Bottom and all of the The Comic Strip Presents... as worthy successors.--Crestville 11:24, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

 * The Comic Strip Presents... was technically not a successor to TYO. It was started in 1982, the same year as TYO. Filthy Rich and Catflap, while still starring 3 of the 4 boys from TYO, was very much a Ben Elton thing in my opinion, and missing the depth of humour that TYO had. Bottom is probably the best example as a "successor" series, with Rik Mayall and Adrian Edmundson writing, directing and starring, thought it doesn't have the variety format of TYO. - Man in shack (talk) 02:19, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

The show went out on such a high that if they made a third series I don't think it could match up to the second. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.240.155.95 (talk) 00:40, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Location
Is there anywhere that says it's set in North London? There's one episode (can't remember which but I think it's the second season) where a sign says Carshalton. Timrollpickering 03:39, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

 * It is in the last episode "Summer Holiday", on the estate agent's sign outside the house after Belowski evicts them. Of course this means the estate agent is based in Carshalton. Danny Darko (talk) 00:49, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Also, in the episode “Boring” the regular show “Bastard Squad” is interrupted by a siege in north London, which is outside the house. Mike, Neil, Vyvyan and Rick are inside watching the siege on TV. Honeybadger69 (talk) 08:05, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Rick
203.213.7.130 has just reverted all the mentions of 'Rick' to 'Rik' again. While the actor is called Rik Mayall, the character is called Rick. (It's the basis of the 'He spells it with a silent P' joke in 'Bambi'.) See photograph from 'Bambi'here -->  Spugmeister 14:36, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Someone did it again. I've reverted their change. Mark Grant 21:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

SPG
I've just reverted a change and forgotten to put why in the hitory- SPG is from Glasgow and says, 'Oh, is that right? I'm a Glaswegian'. It's not said very clearly which is what probably led to the mix up Spugmeister 22:34, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Neil's album
Planer, as "Neil the Hippy", re;eased an LP, with cover versions of, amongst others, songs by Caravan. Members of Caravan were the session musicians used. There were one or two singles, also. Anyone know more about this? Andy Mabbett 20:42, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

True. The album was called "Neil's Heavy Concept Album", and was preceded by a single, a cover of the song "Hole in My Shoe" by Traffic (band), which was a big hit in the UK in the summer of 1984. He also did a song called "Hurdy Gurdy Mushroom Man", not to be confused with Donovan's song.

A pretty shameless cash-in, like "Neil's Book of the dead" - all of this is referred to pretty scathingly in the Bachelor Boys book.

Comic Relief: Cliff?
"At the 1986 live Comic Relief television performance they gave a live performance, but with Bob Geldof accompanying instead of Cliff. This version with Geldof was released on LP and on video."

Am I going mad, or is this cobblers? I'm pretty sure Cliff was in the live performance. Moreover, I have no memory of Geldof appearing on stage with the Young Ones. Why else would Rick have said, "remember, Cliff's in the building, and we don't want anyone saying 'penis'".

It's Bob Geldof. I have it on video. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.69.95.31 (talk) 19:38, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Radio times cover
When the second series started in 1984, TYO got the front page of the Radio Times - very unusual for a BBC2 show and a stronbg indicator of its impact. It also shows how, no matter what anybody says, the BBC were right behind it once it was up and running.

Social Impact?
A good detailed article, but it would benefit from some discussion of its impact/role in Britain in the early 80s. Whilst Alternative Comedy had been around for quite a while, this is probably its 'big splash' on TV. Also, it is seen as one of those generational dividers - where your parents hated it, and that was part of the attratction. I'm happy to put some general comments in if there's nothing else doing.

cheers.81.145.241.103 17:32, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

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Rick's accent/speech impediment ?
There is a slight Elmer Fuddish quality to Rick's pronounciation - Rs being pronounced like Ws ("that'd be pwetty stewpid"). Does anyone know if this is supposed to imitate some accent or speech impediment?

It's called a Rhotacism, much like Jonathan Ross's speech impediment.GuanoLad 11:24, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

All four of them are Cliff Richard fans
I know this isn't popular knowledge, but the reason such disparate characters share a flat together is because all four of them are fans of Cliff Richard. That's why the show is called "The Young Ones", it's why the book was called "Bachelor Boys", it's why the last episode was called "Summer Holiday", why they all sung "Living Doll" with him, and it's why in episode one, when Rik asks Vyv "Why isn't Cliff Richard boring, clever trousers?", Vyvyan's answer is to be lost for words and push Rik into the lentils. My cite is an interview with the creators from back when it was first broadcast, which is unfortunately impossible to link to. - GuanoLad 21:59, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't call Vyv resorting to violence him being, 'Lost for words', that's just his typical response. Next you'll be saying he re-named SPG 'Cliff Richard', not to piss off Rick, but because he's really a massive fan! Just because it's a common theme throughout the show, doesn't make them all fans.

Oh Cliff, sometimes it must be difficult not to feel as if you really are a cliff, when fascists keep trying to push you over it. Are they the lemmings, or are you Cliff? Or are you Cliff? Spugmeister 13:27, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

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Original research
Removed the following;- Its original research, and needs to be referenced. Apologies if the way I did this isn't encyclopedic. but yeah. No original research, gotta source stuff 58.7.0.146 (talk) 21:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

''They can also be seen as a family; Mike is the father, Neil the mother (as he says himself, "My function 'round here, I might as well be your mothers",) Vyvyan the son and Rick the daughter (particularly shown in the episode "Nasty"). It is also possible to see the four characters as representatives of four decades: Mike the 1950s Fonzie-style ladykiller; Neil the 1960s hippy; Vyvyan the 1970s punk; and Rick the 1980s sociology student. ''

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DVD Cuts
Being the obsessive compulsive that I am and considering how iconic the Young Ones is, I would like to catalogue the edits made on each of the DVD releases for the main page. I believe the Region 1 "Every Stoopid Episode" and "Extra Stoopid Edition" releases are the same as their corresponding UK releases, with different box art, special features and menus. This is what I've got so far:

Danny Darko (talk) 23:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I've heard, though have not yet confirmed, that the complete box set is uncut. In particular, this includes the sequence of Ken Bishop's Nice Twelve performing the Dylan Cover "Subterranean Homesick Blues". - Man in shack (talk) 02:07, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Surnames
Are the surnames legit? I don't remember any of them having surnames, and Mike's especially seems suspect. Yes, he occasionally referred to himself as "Mike, the cool person" but I don't think counts for anything. 4.237.204.249 (talk) 20:36, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

There's been a running edit war over the names for quite some time. Neil's is definitely 'Pie' because it was in the episode 'Sick' but I don't know about the rest. I think Mike's comes from a book that followed the show. Vyv's I'm not sure on and Rick's is definitely NOT 'Britain' as people keep trying to add. Spugmeister (talk) 20:06, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The 'Rick Britain' reference comes from Bambi, where the "world's stupidest bottom burp" is claimed to be "Rick, Britain" (as in Rick who comes from Britain). Just in case there was any confusion about other people's confusion. :-) --HappyDog (talk) 12:57, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I just watched "Sick" and Mike refers to Neil's mom a couple of times as "Mrs. Pye" (or Pie), so that one's confirmed. 68.161.25.245 (talk) 23:59, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Vyvian's was also Basterd as this was refered to in The Bachelor Boys book.

Eugenespeed (talk) 19:20, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Vyvian Basterd and Mike Thecoolperson are both listed in Bachelor Boys, but then it also lists a lot of highly suspect details in keeping with the notion that it is written by the characters themselves (Leon Trotsky writes one section, with the implication it's actually Rick) 87.115.31.184 (talk) 13:10, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Mike "TheCoolPerson" is a whole different ball game - see the paragraph below for comments on the validity of his surname... I personally view it as a title, not a surname.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by A man alone (talk • contribs) 16:21, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

 * I did also comment on it below. Bachelor Boys treats it as a surname. Capital T all the rest lower case, he even uses it in formal correspondance. 87.114.29.255 (talk) 17:00, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Fair point, see my comments and rebuttal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by A man alone (talk • contribs) 17:55, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Are you all Americans with no sense of how a comma works? Sure, Mike said "Mike, The Cool Person," but that doesn't mean it's his surname. Is Peter Peter's surname The Pumpkin Eater? I suppose the real question is whether Bachelor Boys is canon or not. If it is, so be it. If it's not, then a lot of ink has been split over editors who don't have a grip over grammar. Beag maclir (talk) 16:51, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

 * It's canon, it was written and produced by the same bunch, at the same time, under the same auspices, and as part of the same thing as the TV show. Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 17:07, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Subliminal
Is it true there are subliminal messages in the young ones? if so this shoel be inncluded 79.74.123.16 (talk) 15:42, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

 * It's kind of true, they're actually too long to be subliminal. And it is included under 'synopsis'. Spugmeister (talk) 16:29, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Mike The Cool Person
I was wondering if we could come to a general concensus on Mike's section, basically as to if it should be entitled Mike or Mike The Cool Person.

There is quite clearly an edit war developing. In this respect, I wonder if it would be wise to consider protecting this article.

What are your opinions?

Thanks

Eugenespeed (talk) 12:20, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

 * I notice that another user has changed Mike to read his surname as "Thecoolperson" - so it looks like the edit war is back on again.

 * My thoughts on this: Mike's appends the phrase "The Cool Person" often when he refers to himself - this seems more like a title than a surname.  I've just read through the entire Young Ones Bachelor boys book, and Mike has the suffix applied in several different ways - Mike (The cool person), Mike "The cool person", and Mike Thecoolperson - there is no conformity as there should be for an established surname, such as Pye, or Basterd.

 * Seems to me that although "the cool person" is definitely part of his name, it's a title he applies to himself, not a surname - much in the same way we have Brian "Damage" Balowski.

 * Wiki rules state that unless something can be cited as fact it shouldn't be included - we cannot conclusively show that The cool person is Mike's surname, ergo it shouldn't be stated as such. I would suggest a compromise that includes a sentence similar to the above - that "the cool person" is how Mike refers to himself as a title - and that he is the only person ever to use the phrase.
 * a_man_alone (talk) 20:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Bachelor Boys (The Young Ones book) gives Mike's name as Mike Thecoolperson on many occasions. If that's a good enough source for the unusual spelling of Vyvian's surname why not this? 87.115.31.184 (talk) 09:00, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Because Bachelor Boys is inconsistent all the way through, that's why. See my comments above - "The Cool Person" is refered to in three very different ways - and not even in the wild and crazy world of the Young Ones does a surname have brackets around it.  Or even if I concede that it does - why does it not in the other instances?

 * A reference needs to be consistent, and Bachelor Boys isn't. a_man_alone (talk) 18:00, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Probably then this fact in itself is notable enough to be added to Mike's character description? It will stop the edit warring. 87.115.131.46 (talk) 09:49, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

 * I agree - in fact I should have done it weeks ago, but, er didn't. I'll do so now in fact...  a_man_alone (talk) 13:54, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Rick Mayall?
During a preformance with Bob Geldof during Comic Relief '86, Rick is given a formal introduction by a voice-over MC as Rik Mayall, in spite of the fact that he's clearly appearing in character (and proceeds to refer to Ryan, Edmondson and Planter as Mike, Vyvyan and Neil as they come out onstage.) Perhaps this means that Rick's last name is Mayall? Again, he's clearly in character and none of the other actors are refered to by their real names. Here's the link:. Tenk you veddy much. --Wack'd Talk to me! • Admire my handiwork! 22:26, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Rick's politics
Just had to make an edit and point out that while Rick's politics are confused at best, there is nothing 'ironic' about being both an anarchist and having a liking of Lenin/Trotsky. There is this thing called anarcho-communism, you know. 86.139.27.165 (talk) 11:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

It describes Rick in the article as reactionary. He is certainly not. "Reactionary" is the term for extreme right-wing views and ideals. Quite the opposite, Rick would be better described as a wanna-be left-wing radical or as stated above, an anarcho-communist. In the episode Flood, he in fact expresses disgust at a comic book of his which, in his opinion, takes a reactionary stance. "This (comic book) is so reactionary!". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Racerx11 (talk • contribs) 05:42, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

 * If no one objects, I am considering replacing the word "reactionary" in the sentence in question with "radical" and/or "left-wing" and/or "anarchist" or something like that. Any thoughts, input, suggestions...anyone?Racerx11 (talk) 02:04, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Not sure what you mean about replacing the last couple of words? Do you mean replacing "reactionary" with "radical anarchist" - or similar. My personal feeling is that Rick would not class himself as being left-wing, as he fervently believes himself to be a follower of Lenin, not any particularly British held political policy.  (wp:or there!)  Rick is already described as "...a self-proclaimed anarchist..." in the first paragraph, so I think it's only really necessary to call him a radical in his political beliefs.  a_man_alone (talk) 07:35, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

 * I wanted to replace the word "reactionary" with something else. Perhaps its opposite, "radical". Your comments address precisely why I haven't made the edit yet. How would one label Rick's politics other than what, as you pointed out, has already been stated, an anarchist? "Reactionary" is clearly wrong. While the article states he is really quite conservative, there is no evidence to support that claim other than his parents being conservative. (And I dont know if he lied about it. He confesses to Mike that his father votes "Torie"(sp?) Im an American so not familiar with "Tories". i dount spel two goud eether,huh huh. But it is my understanding that voting Torie = voting conservative in Britain) Just because one is raised conservative doesn't mean that's what you become. Sure he fails in actually executing any real radical actions. But he still apparently believes passionately in the things he says . He is not "right-wing", "conservative" or "reactionary" at all. He is the opposite of "reactionary" so labeling him as such is wrong. At the end of Rick's section, there is a quote by Ben Elton that describes Rick as "the 'try-hard wanna-be Leftie' typically found on university campuses at the time". This along with "self-proclaimed anarchist" decription earlier in the article make two very accurate descriptions of Rick's political ideals. Although I wouldn't be totally opposed to simply changing the word "reactionary" to the word "radical", I now suggest that we delete the sentence calling him reactionary. It is inaccurate and it is not neccessary to label him a third time anyway.

 * Addressing your comment about Rick not classifing himself as being left-wing, as he fervently believes himself to be a follower of Lenin - While extreme left-wingers may reject Marxism-Leninism, generally anyone claiming to be a follower Lenin, could be accurately described as left-wing. They are certainly not right-wing. Leninists might also call themselves communists, socialists, revolutionists, anarchists, atheists etc; all labels either Rick has used to describe himself or labels that can be shown to describe Rick. And all these ideals fall on the left side of the politcal spectrum. Rick's politics are not as confused as the article leads the reader to be. It would appear that we have slightly different interpretations of "left-wing" I see it as a generic placement on a spectrum. Any political ideal or stance can be placed somewhere on either the "left" or "right" side of this spectrum. Anything on the left, I call left-wing. Most people probably reserve the left-wing or right-wing labels for the far/extreme left and right ideals. It appears that you see it as a more specific classification that is usually associated with particular British held political policies. Racerx11 (talk) 00:26, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Just read the whole thing and sorry to get all long-winded. My last post sounds argumentive and that wasn't my intent. Your points are well taken. Indeed Rick may not call himself left-wing for the reason you suggest. And thanks for the input. I agree, if I change "reactionary" it would only need be replaced with "radical". NOT "left-wing radical" or "radical anarchist"Racerx11 (talk) 00:40, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Be bold - Make the change!  a_man_alone (talk) 11:01, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

 * okRacerx11 (talk) 21:14, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Someone added a note on Rick's apparant conservative views, exposed when he's deep in conversation with an old man at the post-office (or what Rick thinks is the postoffice): "I wonder why they don't just turn the entire country over to Oxfam" - from memory. The conversation is not elaborated on in the show, and the conclusion (the oxfam-remark) could sound rather conservative. On the other hand, it could also be a radical-left comment on Oxfam and the way developing aid is being administrated, i.e. a very ideological opinion on Rick's side that collides with Oxfam's purpose, rather than being a latent conservative conviction. (left-wing organizations were and are popular targets for ridicule as they are each others worst enemies, bickering over minute details rather than uniting against their obvious ideological enemy. Monty Python made an entire movie on the subject, called Life of Brian.)--Nwinther (talk) 08:14, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

You are all missing the point, Rick's political views are confused and contradictory because he is an immature student trying to find his place in the world. 90.249.185.101 (talk) 06:42, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Telling the time
Neither Vyv nor Rick can tell the time. This is established in Bambi for Vyvyan (Mike - "Ah, now Vyv - here's your chance!") and in Cash for Rick (Rick - "I've got a watch! I'm just not very good at telling the time yet.")

The phrase "a trait he shares with" means he has the same trait as, not that he shares the information regarding the trait with somebody, therefore he shares the trait with Vyv, not with Mike. In both scenes it's Mike who assists the other in telling the time. a_man_alone (talk) 10:51, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

 * Here we go again. An anonymous user has again changed the inability to tell the time to Mike.

 * Clarification:

 * "A trait he shares with xxxxxxx" = something held in common with xxxxxxx.
 * "A trait he shares with xxxxxxx" <> sharing information with xxxxxxx.

 * a_man_alone (talk) 21:06, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Characters picture
The picture beginning the Characters section shows Mike, Rick, Vyvyan and Neil on University Challenge. I have no problem with the fact that Rick's name happens to have a "P" drawn in front of his name in the still photo. It was part of a running gag in the episode Bambi. In fact, its a great reminder of a very funny scene in that episode. However in the caption below the picture, it identifies the characters as "Mike, (P)Rick, Vyv & Neil on University Challenge".

I feel that its unnecessary and unencyclopedic to add the (P) in front of Rick's name in the caption. The episode implies this is a joke intended to irritate Rick. There is no implication that Rick may, by any chance, actually spell his name with a silent "P". It is not the intention of this article to participate in the show's humor or continue the humor of the TV series "in universe". The (P) in the caption slightly crosses a line in this regard.

I also feel since the joke "P" is already depicted in the photo, repeating the joke directly below is not only unneeded, but actually lessens the humor. Much like repeating a punch line, it makes the whole joke less funny somehow. Im deleting the (P) in the caption. You are welcome to put it back if you object.Racerx11 (talk) 15:56, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Rip, Rig + Panic
Someone keeps changing the page back to saying it was Neneh Cherry perfoming with RR+P on the show. But it was actually Andrea Oliver, who was in the band before Neneh. If you look at the video, it's clearly not Neneh. DavidRavenMoon (talk) 05:59, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

It's not Cliff Richards on their version of Living Doll at Comic Relief
"In 1986, the cast sang "Living Doll" with Cliff Richard and Hank Marvin for Comic Relief." Wrong. Check youtube's copy of the performance. They announce the guest as Cliff Richards but then realize it's actually Bob Geldof (they guy who played the main character in the movie version of Pink Floyd's The Wall). And yes, it's the comic relief one not a reperformance of it elsewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.68.131.138 (talk) 03:37, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Article Length
The article seems to be rather overly long. I'm wondering if the sections "Fourth Wall" and "Guests" are necessary; they're just long lists of trivia examples which anyone that watches the show could see for themselves, or get from any number of other fan sources -- and Wikipedia is not the same thing as TVTropes, which would (and likely does) relish such things. Also, the musical performances are listed twice - once in the episodes list, and also earlier after the section about the music, and all that seems redundant. I didn't want to just go excising these sections that someone obviously spent some time on without requesting comments. - Salamurai (talk) 03:04, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

 * I've nuked the fourth wall section. I remember adding it a year or so back, thinking that it was a rare thing and worth highlighting, but it's become obvious that it happens several times in pretty much every episode.  I think in this case it's enough to say it happens without listing the occurances.  It's worth keeping the section in, as the actual breaking of the fourth wall, certainly the regularity, was quite rare for a comedy programme at the time.

 * I'll leave the guest appearances for somebody with more stamina...   a_man_alone (talk) 16:32, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Okay. I sliced the guest list down to a handful of seemingly significant names -- and I checked every article first -- and merged that and the fourth wall text into the Synopsis section. – Salamurai (talk) 08:08, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Last edit
I've partially reverted an edit made recently. Rationale is outlined below, as it's too long for an edit summary:

 * They live in a house, not a flat, so all instances of flatmate -> housemate
 * humourous is not a word - humorous is the correct spelling. I was caught out with this myself - on this very page some time ago.
 * I removed Phil Taylor, and re-instated Magic Johnson - as it was me who originally inserted that comment I did so specifically using both an English and an American example so that both sides of the Atlantic would know who the article referred to.
 * The quote is "Prick is a wonker" as read out by Neil.
 * Hoover is a trademark and refers to a specific type of vacuum cleaner, which is not the case here. Whilst it has passed into (certainly in the UK - can't speak for anywhere else) generic usage, the term vacuum is more accurate, especially when we wikilink to things.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 05:15, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Codrington Road on Google Earth
With regard to this edit - the author is correct.

If you use Google Earth/maps to try and look at Codrington road, it isn't there. You can see it on the overhead map, but if you descend to street view, it jumps you past each turning which would normally take you into the road - street view stops quite a bit short, and someway up Broadway road on both exit/entrances to Codrington. I noticed this a few months ago when planning a pilgrimage to said road, but didn't think it worthy of note on the page itself.

I wondered if this might be because Codrington road has since become a private street, but that shouldn't be the case, because a private street is still a public highway. Perhaps there was some reason that the google van simply coulnd't get down the road when it was passing at the time. Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:43, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the explanation. I'm the one who reverted the edit. It didn't sound like something that belonged in the article, but I invited the author to bring it to the talk page just in case. -- Racer X11 Talk to me Stalk me  12:29, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

 * No problem. It is curious, and as Codrington Road is google map linked in the article perhaps it could be mentioned, although it would need to be worded carefully to avoid all the classics "Note that", "Curiously", "Interestingly enough" etc:

 *  " Codrington Road is not available on Google Street view but can be seen from above on satellite view"

 * Something like that? Chaheel Riens (talk) 15:32, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Mayall and Edmundson - Comedy Store - mid-1980
Mayall and Edmundson did not join the Comedy Store until mid-1980, which makes the "late 1970s" claim rather inaccurate - http://www.thecomicstrippresents.webs.com/sitepages/rikmayall.html. The series was, of course, helped to the screen by the launch of Channel 4 in 1982, which apparently prodded the BBC on into producing the series. If the origins of the series are to be traced to the stars' various careers in clubs, 1980 was surely the year - when Mayall and Edmundson met Sayle. One could, of course, claim that the origins of the series lay in which year each performer was born!

(86.158.224.24 (talk) 21:56, 26 May 2014 (UTC))

Edits regarding Enn Reitel & The Cure.
Amaury & Debresser - please take a look at the edit history of the article, and indeed read the article itself. The IP editor is completely correct - The Cure never appeared in The Young Ones, and Christopher Ryan played Mike in the show, not Enn Reitel.

Instead of spasm reverting, please check the circumstances surrounding the edits first. Thanks Chaheel Riens (talk) 21:15, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

 * Those two things I agree with, but he changed a lot more than that in his edit. Debresser (talk) 22:16, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

 * Yes, and those other elements probably need to be addressed, rather than 'spasm reverting' to the blocked accounts' version, and characterizing a good faith edit as vandalism: . 2601:188:1:AEA0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 15:03, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

 * I think that in the current version these concerns are addressed. Debresser (talk) 15:07, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

 * Thank you, . 2601:188:1:AEA0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 15:15, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Category:British television sketch shows
I am not convinced that the article belongs in this category. I know The Young Ones was a bot of a mix of genres, but it does not really fit the description of a sketch show and nowhere in the article is it described as one. Dunarc (talk) 18:53, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Grammar problem
The sentence beginning "Mayall portrayed his character as..." has bad grammar and unclear meaning. 2A00:23C5:FE0C:2100:C1D9:74BC:176:4A09 (talk) 23:41, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Legacy
The 'Legacy' section should reference 'Girls on top' which was clearly derivative, and has its own wiki page which could be linked to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dean1954 (talk • contribs) 19:59, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

What kind of critical reception did it get at the time?
The current Reception section is extremely short and modern. Interesting to know how it was received in the '80s, when it was quite rude and anarchic and may have upset some viewers. Equinox ◑ 22:40, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

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