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User talk:Dgrant

Hello and Welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the place. --mav

Thanks! --dgrant

Dave,

After your comments on Talk:Severe acute respiratory syndrome, I'm guessing that your latest edit to Severe acute respiratory syndrome (about "professional discrimination" against nurses) is a parody, an attempt to discredit the racial discrimination section. I'm curious if you'd be kind enough as to clarify whether or not this hunch is correct. If it is, perhaps you deserve credit for being credit for being clever, so we should preserve your section on the talk page, even if it can't stay in the main article. If it is not a parody, on the other hand, do you have a reference about this? Being a healthcare worker probably is more problematic thanks to SARS, though I could not find the specific claims you mentioned with a google search. --Ryguasu 04:57 Apr 7, 2003 (UTC)

 * Ryguasu: thanks for the reply. You are clever as well...  Yes it is a joke.  I will remove it myself and stick it on "talk", unless you've already done it.  The parody could have been seen in a few ways, but I just thought of an interesting side to  it...if anything, the people that one should stay away from the most are actually doctors and nurses.  Because technically they are the only ones in the hospitals in the somewhat-quarantined areas.  But my original point was just to make up a little story to mimic the racism one.  The fact that it doesn't come up on Google like you said, raises another point: just because something is on google (or covered by the media) does it make it wikipedia-worthy?  If I hear something from my friend John why can't his opinion be put on wikipedia?  In my mind I don't seperate media from average people very much...the media IMHO sucks nowadays and turn little things into big things.  What I'm implying is, I think the racism comments were probably made by one outspoken chinese person and the media went to town with it because it makes good headliens.  Anyways, thanks for the constructive discussion.  It's been interesting.  dave 05:15 Apr 7, 2003 (UTC)

 * Actually I just thought of something. It's a bit childish, but I was curious how long it would take for someone (other than you) to notice the "profession discrimination" section.  This article has pretty heavy activity, and no one has stepped in and deleted it.  But to play that game would be childish so I'll just take it off.  dave 05:18 Apr 7, 2003 (UTC)

Dave,

Thanks for your note on my talk page. I think your latest rewrite improved the section quite a bit. One thing that remains a mystery to me is why only Canada seems to be under discussion. The potential for racism here seems global, and Canadians certainly don't tend to strike me as more racist than anyone else. --Ryguasu 01:36 Apr 10, 2003 (UTC)

 * hehe, yeah that is interesting, I think it might just be because that was were some chinese people said something about it, and then maybe it snowballed from there, thanks in part to the media. I noticed in the past few days that the US media started covering it, but like you said only about the Canada racism.  Yeah I don't think we (canadians) are more racist.  Maybe it was because Toronto has a lot of chinese (400,000) or something like that, probably a lot of which are from Hong Kong (like in Vancouver).  And also because there are 10 deaths here so far, which is why people might be more on edge than say in the U.S.  dave 03:34 Apr 10, 2003 (UTC)

Hi, Dave,

My thanks, too, for your contributions to the SARS page. My own theory is that Canada serves as a convenient scapegoat for other countries. People project their own shortcomings onto Canada, which is after all a country few people know anything about. Opposition to the seal hunt, for example, was strongest in the States during the Vietnam war, and strongest in the UK during periods in which the British Army was most active in Northern Ireland. I've never managed to get a grant to assess this theory, though.

The section has been shaped up, I think. It still perhaps leans a bit toward views like mine, but I have moderated my view a bit. on the whole, though, I'm surprised at the lack of anti-Chinese sentiment in Toronto. The characteristic Torontonian oblivious to everything except making money, I guess Jfitzg.

Thanks for removing the statement about the first mosque in Canada. My source was the London Free Press which, as I'm sure you know, is no source at all. Shoulda known better. It sounds like one of those local myths which are widely cited without authentication -- like the story of Toronto being the most culturally diverse city in the world. Jfitzg

 * And thanks for the note. I'll try to be more conscientious about including comments. The page has piqued my interest in the history of the city I grew up in, so I'll be doing further research, but not in the Free Press.Jfitzg

 * Cool. I grew up in B.C., and I live in Waterloo now, but my girlfriend is in London, and I go there on weekends.  So I don't know it very well, but I'm a history buff.  Please if you have any friends in London, forward them the Wikipedia link.  It needs some more authentic information from locals.  dave

 * I'm there a lot, too, and have been trying to get locals to contribute. Incidentally, I put adhesive tape in the industries/products list because 3M makes it there. The economy boomed during the recent security alert in the States. According to the undependable Free Press, London manufactures all the 3M duct tape for North America and Europe. I'll leave it up to you whether it should be restored, though, since you've been taking a more careful approach to the article than I have.Jfitzg

 * Ok, I'll add it back in then. Sorry, I knew there was a 3M Medical division in London, and I also know that 3M is famous for tape, so I thought someone just "put 2 and 2 together" and guessed that they made tape.  Well it turned out you had obviously done your research.  Thanks.  dave

Dave, I removed the "n" you added at the Arrhenius equation, see the Talk:Arrhenius equation to see why. jbc

The previous way was designed so that Mav and gang could add in a picture like how Oxygen and Carbon are. --PY

Hi, Dave. I left a comment about POV and NPOV opinions of VIA Rail at Talk:London, Ontario. I won't be hurt if the comment doesn't go back. What I thought would be first to come out was my description of the major Western Ontario crops -- it seemed to me to have some relevance to London but I don't know if anyone else would agree. The article is shaping up famously. London seems to be one of the major centres of Western civilization -- seriously, it has been influential well beyond what you would expect of a city its size and the article shows it. Jfitzg

 * I just wanted to mention, I haven't been on VIA since I was 12 or so, and I've never taken a Greyhound bus to or from London...but I don't recall there being overwhelming complaints about VIA. I mean, there is general complaining, like there always is about any transportation system...isn't it faster than the bus though, even if it is more expensive? Adam Bishop 21:51 9 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I decided that even if my comment was NPOV it's unnecessary, so it can stay out. As for the relative merits of the train and the bus, they're scheduled to arrive in the same time, but the bus actually does arrive in that time, and usually earlier (it has the advantage of being able to leave as soon as the bus is full). To be fair, I haven't ridden VIA in a dozen years or so, and perhaps there's been a massive turnaround in service. Since they're as starved for cash as they ever were, though, I doubt it. Their big problem is shortage of equipment. Jfitzg

Hi! I don't know if you, who originates from there, is as impressed by BC as I have been, when visiting from the European continent. Anyway, if you say lesbian's can't be called dikes, then I think you are better informed than Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary. :-)) I'm sorry for the extra work I and User:Efghij caused you. -- Ruhrjung 17:09 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)

 * Yes BC was nice. The dike/dyke thing was no big deal.  I'm just a perfectionist unfortunately...  dave

Thanks for your help on Sites that use Wikipedia as a source. I am glad I'm not the only one taking the initiative here. Base on my google research so far, it looks like we may have our work cut out for us. MB 15:06 18 Jul 2003 (UTC)

 * I'm sure interest will pick up on this page and reach a critical mass eventually. I haven't looked at the /Temp page your referred to yet, but I'll have a look.  dave 15:18 18 Jul 2003 (UTC)

 * Just FYI, I would perfer you put responses to me on my talk page, b/c that is where I (and most wikipedians) expect to see them. I don't really have the time to watch everyone's talk page for a response is all.  MB 20:37 18 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind that I moved the page to Sites that use Wikipedia for content. I thought is was more appropriate, considering what we are using it for. We can create a different page for pages that use use as a source (although I have come across a lot!), since linking is included in this, but not in sites that use content. MB 21:20 18 Jul 2003 (UTC)

If you are still interested in the definition of dike (geology of course...), have a look at the page after the weekend. I'm working on it. Short definition: tabular body of intrusive igneous rock, ´discordant (i.e. not according) to the orientation of the intruded rock. Pipes of volcanoes usually are dikes. Muriel Gottrop 13:40, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Hi Dave;

About getting work in Korea- I did it by word of mouth. A friend was working here, needed more employees from abroad, and put the word out. I volunteered to come. If you're interested, there are a few places online for you to look for work that have good reputation, and areas to chat up people currently working here. I won't clog your page with this info now, just write me and I'll hook you up. Or email me (better) at kimberlyhogg@hotmail.com Kim Hogg

I posted this at Wikipedia talk:Sites that use Wikipedia for content but you didn't respond, so I am posting it here:

 * I've made a few changes to Copyrights in anticipation of updating our copyright notice on the bottom of the page. I purpose that the new notice read " All text is available under the terms of the GFDL. See Copyrights for details. "  Right now the link at the bottom links to a page which redirects to Copyrights, but being that the GFDL is intimidating to most to read, people are less likely to click on the current link and read the terms of copying.

I would like some feedback before purposing this on the mailing lists. Thanks. (Please post replies to my talk page) MB 18:03, Aug 8, 2003 (UTC)

I have nominated you for adminship at Requests for adminship. I hope you accept the nomination. Read Administrators for what it means to be an admin. { MB | マイカル } 14:32, Aug 27, 2003 (UTC)

Poof! You've got sysop rights. Use them well. As your first act, let me suggest that you update Administrators to reflect your new status. --Uncle Ed 19:31, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Congrats. Use them well, use them sparingly. { MB | マイカル } 14:52, Sep 3, 2003 (UTC)

RE: The RIAA article -- Since that talk page says it's protected (Why, BTW? It does not give a reason in the history of when and why, especially when the main article keeps getting vandalized and is NOT protected?), but I wanted to tell you that I think it's a good thing that you put it on the front page. No need to be sorry at all. I think if we truly believe in this project, we should be daring and have faith in it (i.e. any news worthy topic will be searched for anyway, and thus will need to stand on its own merits, this way at least it was brought to our attention). The front page listing brought about tweeking, which is a big plus in this case, right? I personally hope that some form of compromise bearing a good deal of resembelence to NPOV will naturally result from repeated editing. I do not know that it needs to be split into one article on the organization and one on their lawsuits. What would one even call that lawsuit article? P2P lawsuits? Anyway, that's my two cents. What do you think? Congrats on your sysopiness BTW. :) -- Paige 18:43, 10 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Greetings, good to meet another Canuck I haven't seen around yet (and a sysop no less). Two things regarding Dorval vs. PET airport:

 * 1) I wouldn't have moved the page until 1 Jan, when the change of name officially takes effect.
 * 2) Please use the "move" command when moving a page. This preserves the history, as opposed to simply cutting and pasting which leaves all the history on the original page and makes life difficult. Come 1 Jan, I'll delete the current Pierre Elliott Trudeau International Airport and move Montreal Dorval International Airport there comme il faut.

Thanks, - Montréalais 01:35, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)

blanking
Could you refrain from blanking pages? Either keep or list on vfd. Even after blanking, the link to the page stays blue. People will still click on it expecting to see something. There is nothing wrong with keeping stubs. --Jiang 04:48, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Look at each article by itself. I'm not going to wank the country template off all the country articles just because a good number of countries dont have templates applied, etc. There's no rule that says like content has to grow at the same rate. We can't expect all the premier articles to pop up at once. It works one at a time.

Stubs are not useless. Its a start in content. If it is a genuine stub, it will say something as opposed to nothing. I personally don't like stubs, but I see no point in deleting them. Besides, it's against the current policy. --Jiang 20:43, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

 * Not if they're sub-stubs it's not. Angela

From VfD
''Sorry to dump this here dave, but VfD was 92kb and I had to do something with it! It seems the point was proven, so I guess this doesn't need to be listed anymore. I summarised the discussion of the stubs issue on the Village pump too and moved the original to Wikipedia talk:Deletion policy. Angela 23:19, Oct 16, 2003 (UTC)

 * Thomas Dufferin Pattullo. Nearly empty article, should be deleted.  dave 21:47, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
 * Keep. He was a Premier of a Canadian province, it can be expanded.  RickK 22:57, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
 * Keep, improvable. Axlrosen 23:07, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
 * Don't delete, fix. Donnie Ng 23:12, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
 * Keep, please. I saw it already and marked it on my watchlist: I've the intention of fleshing it out by week's end.  As it stands, the one sentence of true information (though sparse) is better than a blank page, though I plan to improve upon it. Jwrosenzweig 23:14, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
 * Keep. I am puzzled: why did you create it, if you were just going to list it here? -- Cyan 23:30, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
 * It was an experiment of sorts...I had deleted another B.C. premier's page, which was a short-page like this one, but User:Jiang objected on the grounds that it was against the Deletion policy; however I disagreed. I decided to see what the administrators thought, by creating one of my own and putting it here.  It looks like I am in the minority...  dave 00:14, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)
 * As it stood before Delirium improved it, I would have no objection to instant deletion on the grounds of it being a sub-stub, although I would be more likely to redirect it somewhere the information already existed like British Columbia to avoid people complaining about its deletion. Angela 02:32, Oct 14, 2003 (UTC)
 * Although you bring up a good point Cyan. If I create a sub-stub/shortpage like this, then realize that I don't have time right now to make the article longer, shouldn't I be able to just delete it?  It's just common sense to me.  Wikipedia needs a stronger policy on deletion.  Whenever a stub gets put on here, some person just adds one line and tada! it's no longer a stub.  Pretty soon people are going to figure this out and every time they need some articles created they'll just post them on this page!  Sub-stubs should be instantly deleted IMHO, as all people can agree, they can be re-created in a second.  Sub-stubs are a waste of time, you click on a link, wait for it to come up, and are extremely disapointed when it does come up, as it is only one line of information you already knew.  dave 15:08, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)
 * Keep. Wartortle 16:45, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I have not found any articles on EncycloZine.com from Wikipedia that do not link to the GNUFDL or to Wikipedia and to the current article. If you could cite some I would appeciate it. Fred Bauder 14:19, 24 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I took that pic myself last week! Cheers Poor Yorick 09:44, 5 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I noticed you added the Jean Chretien link to the homepage, which is nice, but you didn't put any comment for the changelog and you also didn't bump of the last article, you bumped off the 2nd last article. Why? dave 05:37, 7 Nov 2003 (UTC)
 * I felt of the four news worthy articles listed, Mikhail Khodorkovsky was the least relevant. That news line should be based on relevance, in my opinion. Take for example how we had War on Iraq on for months at a time, while circulating other news stories. The war was judged to be most relevant, and was kept while others circulated. - user:zanimum

Hi, regarding the pics of Cardamum, I got them from the french wikipedia. It looks as though the user who uploaded them made the photographs himself. I'll notify you once I've contacted him. In the meantime I'll transfer his other pics over to the english wikipedia. Cheers, snoyes 21:15, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

medicinal herbs
Hi, Dgrant. I like your List of medicinal herbs, and wondered whether you would have the expertise to start off an article about herbal medicine? I have been working on some wildflower pages lately, and I keep creating links to this non-existent article, and I don't know enough about it to begin to write it myself. There is a bit about it in folk medicine, but it deserves an article to itself. It will be tricky to write because there is liable to be a cavalry charge of hobby horses once it gets going. seglea 06:58, 22 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Hi Dave,

As you suggested, i've added two new sections to the herbs and spices project template. English is not my mothertonge, please check the wording/spelling. Also consider weather these paragraphs are well paced or should be placed elsewhere in the article. Thanks for your answers to my questions. User:Lady Tenar

Barberry
Do you have a reference for barberry being used as a spice? It is used medicinally and for its fruit, but as a spice would be a new one for me. WormRunner 06:30, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * Hmm. I can see how that might grade into "spice" from "tart fruit".  I would have listed it among fruits instead, but both places will do. WormRunner 07:06, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Sweet woodruff
You couldn't find this?? WormRunner 07:33, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Hi, there have been some suggestions that we need to start cleaning out the old requests posted to Peer review. You are receiving this because you have posted one or more requests that have been there a long time. When you have a moment, please check it out and remove the request(s), along with any related material, if you have received adequate feedback. Thanks! -- Wapcaplet 23:20, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse
I just noticed this in my watchlist:

(diff) (hist). . Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse; 15:18:42. . Dgrant (Talk) (Changed language about Karpinski. I think you were misquoting. She was never told by anyone to treat them like dogs. In fact she wasn't in charge of interrogations.)

Could I ask about your source for that, as I'm certain I've heard a quote of Karpinski saying that the prisoners should be treated like dogs and this article on BBC News Online would seem to suggest that's the case too. — OwenBlacker 17:15, Jun 16, 2004 (UTC)

Thinkpad photo
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65.27.75.56 block
I unblocked it: there's no point to blocking it after the vandalism spree is over. —No-One Jones 21:49, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

RFC pages on VfD
Should RFC pages be placed on VfD to be deleted? I'm considering removing Requests for comment/Slrubenstein, Requests for comment/Jwrosenzweig and Requests for comment/John Kenney from WP:VFD. Each of them was listed by CheeseDreams. Your comments on whether I should do this would be appreciated. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:35, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Re: Image:Czochralski.JPG

 * "No copyright on site whatsoever...is this okay?"

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Roberta Langtry
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Richmond, British Columbia
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Christine Batchford
Hello. I removed the "I hate Christine Blatchford" link as it was removed before (by me) due to an OTRS complaint. It's also a link to a personal website containing one person's opinion; I don't think it really belongs in the article.-- §hanel  22:46, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Narwhal
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MSU Interview
Dear Dgrant,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the communityHERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:
 * Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
 * Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
 * All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
 * All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
 * The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your nameHERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chlopeck (talk • contribs) 23:11, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:Hadith

Lead last paragraph containing fringe information & undue weight
I have added a citation template as I have not been able to find references. If no references can be found, I will move to delete the entire last paragraph. Even if sourced, I would still delete as it is not in line with WP:NPOV (specially WP:UNDUE) and WP:FRINGE, unless an editor disagrees. All interested editors are invited to discuss the merits of leaving the paragraph vs removal. Mbcap (talk) 05:07, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Guess they never heard of the telephone game
look it up, speaks volumes about veracity — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.190.34.142 (talk) 03:20, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Recent cleanup of huge chunks
I have removed the following due to the given reasons

Regards FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 03:53, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) Text attributed to Sadakat Kadri, Heaven on Earth, 2012. He is not a scholar of hadith, neither does he claim to be one. He has basically written a history through a journalist's perspective. Therefore his inclusion as a scholarly source is highly unreliable. We can take this to Reliable source noticeboard if someone is concerned about this.
 * 2) Wael Hallaq has been given a huge amount of space which is undue weight. there are at least three reasons to this being undue. Firstly he is not even talking about hadith in general, (source misrepresentation) he is talking about PROPHETIC HADITH. A hadith which makes a prophecy(which are quite small in number compared to other hadith), and putting this view on all hadith is OR and blatant misrepresentation. Secondly, he, too, is not a scholar of hadith, rather of Islamic jurisprudence and law. Thirdly, he is not more important than the other highly notable western scholars who have been mentioned in the forked article Criticism of Hadith. Therefore I have removed him.
 * 3) The views of Ghulam ahmad Pervez have been given the appropriate space as his notability require. consensus has already been established about this at the forked article Criticism of Hadith.
 * 4) I have also removed the text sourced from Israr Khan. It has been proven here that Israr Khan is just a non notable run of the mill professor at some malaysian university who writes self published books.
 * 5) The entire section Famous but unreliable hadiths has been deleted because it does not use a single source and is 100% Original Research.

 * Regarding Wael Hallaq, you're argument is beyond ridiculous. I've read the paper, and he's not just talking about hadiths which contain prophetic statements (you're clearly reading too much from the title of the paper.) I added the parts specifically dealing with hadith in general in his paper, most specifically the mutwawattir hadiths standard, which has nothing to do with prophetic hadiths specifically but all hadith. Do you even have a subscription to JSTOR? If not, how are you claiming it is a "misrepresentation"? lol. Secondly, the professor is a recognized expert in the field, good luck trying to convince neutral editors Wael Hallaq doesn't qualify as a reliable source. Your last point doesn't even make sense. Other scholars haven't made the same claims as this scholar, so why would we remove him? Let's see what neutral editors say. c Ө de1+6  LogicBomb!

 * The title fo the paper is The Authenticity of Prophetic Ḥadîth: A Pseudo-Problem. Right there smack dab in the middle is the word prophetic hadith. I have read the paper and he is talking about prophetic hadith. You should read the entire work before coming to any decisions. His entire argument is about the prophetic hadith, even when he talks about "mutawatir" he is talking about the "mutawatir" hadith which are prophetic. Mutawatir and Prophetic are not exclusive, if that is your confusion. Mutawatir is the quality of the hadith, like a grade. And prophetic is the subject matter i.e kind. A simple analogy is going to the market and buying fruit. The Type of fruit is the subject of hadith, you can buy either mangoes or apples. Then comes the quality, as you can buy fresh fruit, packaged fruit, organic, GMO etc. So the two cannot be exclusive. Just as you can have GMO apples and corn, you have mutawatir Prophetic hadith. I assume you have no problem with the removal of Israr ahmad and other OR? Regards FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 04:12, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

 * Where you are getting the idea that "prophetic hadith" only applies to that set you are claiming? And that Hallaq is only applying it in that context? Please cite the exact sentence in the paper where the scholar defines "prophetic hadith" as only those hadith which are talking about some future event? Go ahead, show me. Secondly, I've read the entire paper, and I'm doubtful you have read it, since its obvious he is clearly talking about hadith in general. Also, I've created a request for mediation on this issue. Good luck convincing neutral editors that this is not a reliable source and whatever else objection you want to raise. c Ө de1+6  LogicBomb!
 * p.s. typo was made in my edit summary, I meant there has been " no misrepresentation" of the source material, obviously. c Ө de1+6  LogicBomb!  04:39, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

 * Also, the word "hadith" in Arabic means "report." The term "prophetic hadith" (I'm pretty sure, in the context of the paper) means reports by the Prophet, in general. Nowhere in the paper does the author make the claim he is only talking about some specific subset of hadiths in Bukhari and Muslim, that is purely your own invention, and your whole argument therefore is based on Original Research. c Ө de1+6  LogicBomb!  04:43, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

 * ok so you agree on other changes with only Hallaq being disputed? Lets discuss him and see. Regards FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 06:02, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

 * You're not discussing anything, you're just reverting. I already destroyed your argument with regards to Hallaq, and you can't counter it. But yes, sure, let's see what neutral editors have to say. The content dispute is already open. The main issue is Hallaq. Israr Khan I don't care too much about, and we can deal with that later. c Ө de1+6  LogicBomb!  06:24, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * @User:Code16 I am discussing, I pointed out everything that I had deleted and then gave the rationale for deletion. You disagree with me concerning Hallaq, I get that we will discuss that. I am asking, do you agree with my other deletions or do you disagree with them too? FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 06:29, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

 * lol, you know full well that I'm primarily interested in Hallaq's content, because that's the only thing I mentioned in my initial response on this thread (duh!) You also know your argument is a total fail on this point, so all you're doing is trying to evade. c Ө de1+6  LogicBomb!  06:44, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok so you agree with the other deletions? A simple yes or no will suffice. If you agree I will make a new section titled Hallaq and we will discuss there. Regards FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 06:56, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * No, I haven't even looked at your other edits. We will discuss the Hallaq issue first, which you initially attempted to defend but failed.  c Ө de1+6  LogicBomb!  15:30, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

 * FreeatlastChitchat, I have reverted your latest revert (to User:Code16's version), because you two clearly have a content dispute and are edit warring. In other words, this is an administrative decision. I am pinging both of you so you know: if either of you revert again you will be blocked for edit warring. Now, to the matter at hand, where I have been asked for an opinion: you all need more opinions, from experts. You can't tell me that I'm the best one you can find on this subject matter. (, how well-versed are you on the topic of hadith?) I consolidated the references so it doesn't look like that text has so many references; yes, Code16, I find that the one scholar is given a LOT of weight with extensive quotes etc. (These quotes really should be condensed/removed.) The best thing you can do is trim it and find more sources., maybe you have an opinion here also. Drmies (talk) 16:21, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

 * For a section that already has a substantial main article, the section Hadith desperately needs to lose some weight. Wholesale removal of a section is not how it's done however, especially if it is (IMO) reliably sourced. I'd say: try to condense it down to the headlines in no longer than, say, one paragraph (about 5 sentences). The Criticism of Hadith article might be a bit more elaborate about Hallaq's point of view, but I doubt the necessity of including quotes. They seem to be easily paraphrased to a concise summary. In short: BE CONCISE.
 * About the reliability/representation of sources, it seems that FreeatlastChitchat at first just misunderstood the term "Prophetic" (Prophetic as in prophecy vs pertaining to the Prophet), but has finally acknowledged this. To me, the Hallaq-reliability discussion appears settled. The other problems that FreeatlastChitChat had listed, appear genuine, so I don't see much trouble removing those. - HyperGaruda (talk) 17:08, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

@Drmies you will do just fine; and Shabaz was "made" to retire as far as my personal opinion is concerned(his is by far the dirtiest dysysop I have witnessed ever). However Dougweller is quite an expert so his input will be valuable. Now to matter at hand. The current version of the article has three basic problems which I will list below. We can discuss them together or separately as you wish. (Code 16 apparently agrees with my other edits, even though he does not wish to state it, I would also like to state that HyperGaruda is quite right, I misunderstood prophetic as being concerned with prophecy at first but I am certain now that it means pertaining to the prophet)
 * 1) It has been proven here that Israr Khan is just a non notable run of the mill professor at some Malaysian university who writes self published books. Consensus has already been reached between me and Code16 that he is an unreliable source for content, as is clear from the discussion I linked. So I would like to contest his views being added here, or anywhere else for that matter.
 * 2) Hallaq has been given a new section all by himself without any rationale. He is a western scholar so he should be included with other western scholars and given due weight. To be frank his weight should be LESS than other western scholars, as he is not a scholar of hadith per se. He is a scholar of law/jurisprudence, and as law is based on hadith he is also knowledgeable in hadith. But he cannot compare with other scholars whose main interest was hadith.
 * 3) I would like to contest the creation of "authenticity" subsection. My  argument is that this section is highly misleading. It leads one to assume that other scholars are against hadith for other reason, whereas in reality almost all scholars(both western and eastern) criticize hadith because they consider it as "inauthentic". So this section should not be created at all. Regards FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 17:14, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Agreed with both and. Thank you gentlemen for taking the time to look into this. I'll follow both your suggestions and take the following steps for now: Further opinions by expert editors are welcome. Also, a content dispute case has been opened on this issue as well at: [] c Ө de1+6  LogicBomb!  17:19, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) condense the material sourced from Hallaq considerably on the main Hadith page, into a single paragraph.
 * 2) Include the details of Hallaq's paper in the main Criticism of Hadith article, but instead of quoting Hallaq, I'll paraphrase to mind the weight and also for concision.

Update: I've taken out Israr Khan's material since he isn't needed anyway now that Wael Hallaq is present. Also, please not that FreeatlastChitchat's 3rd point above actually SUPPORTS the creation of an "authenticity" section here (although he doesn't seem to realize it.) This is the main Hadith page, and its "criticism" section should highlight the main point of academic criticism of hadith, obviously, in clear and simple terms. FreeatlastChitchat has no choice to admit that "authenticity" is the main problem of hadith. He has also given up arguing that the paper misrepresented. Finally, his argument that Wael Hallaq is not a qualified expert "per se," doesn't even merit much of a response, given Hallaq's credentials. You can't be an expert in 'Islamic Law' without having a scholarly understanding of Hadith, since it is one of the most important sources of this entire academic field. This is why he published a peer-reviewed paper on it (how more obvious can his expertise on this issue get? The professor is publishing papers on this issue lol.) c Ө de1+6 <i style="color:black"> LogicBomb! </i> 17:52, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * More is better, Code16... Drmies (talk) 17:57, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

 * User:FreeatlastChitchat, I have made my opinion on the desysop of Malik known in enough places; let me just say that I wish he were still an admin and full-time Wikipedia editor. I saw he has made a couple of article edits recently and thought perhaps he might have time and inclination for an opinion. So yes, generalizing: the section is too long, the "chunks" sourced to the one scholar are too long. HyperGaruda's suggestions make sense to me. As for "authentic", that probably deserves its own discussion. I find that in content disputes it's always best to try and tackle one thing at a time. Rome wasn't built in a day either. Thank you all--let's continue this spirit of collaboration. Drmies (talk) 17:57, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I second Drmies' comments, noting that I was also upset at the Malik desysop which took place while I slept (that'll teach me!). And hopefully some light will come out of the dispute resolution case. But I simply don't have time to do anything here, sorry. Doug Weller (talk) 18:40, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * @User:Code16. Perhaps you can be kind enough to provide rationale for creating the authenticity section as a separate one because as far as I can see ALL the criticisms of hadith are about its authenticity. John Esposito criticizes it for its unreliable authenticity, so does Ignaz Goldziher. Patricia Crone is also questioning the authenticity of hadith. To be frank it is a quite simple to understand that western scholars will ONLY question the authenticity of hadith, they are not Muslims who can argue against it theologically. So again, my question remains, why has Hallaq been given a new section when his views are the same as these other western guys? Rationale for this undue weight should be provided. Regards FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 01:26, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Since you've given up arguing the other points, we'll proceed as if you are in agreement that Hallaq is a reliable source and that there is no misrepresentation of his paper. Now, as for this last argument of yours, it's also critically flawed and easily refuted.
 * You state: "western scholars will ONLY question the authenticity of hadith"
 * >>> This is a false statement and a blanket generalization. Notice Sam Harris (already cited in the article) criticizes the content of Hadith on ethical grounds, without any mention of its authenticity.
 * Your also claim: "ALL the criticisms of hadith are about its authenticity"
 * >>> This has already proven false regarding Western critiques above. And of course, it's also not true with regards to critiques currently categorized as Muslim (a weird distinction anyway which should be corrected, see below.)
 * Finally, you ask "why has Hallaq been given a new section when his views are the same as these other western guys?"
 * >>> The category is called "Authenticity". Just because it happens to contain Hallaq presently, doesn't make it his category. We already know that Muslims have also criticized the same thing (so they should definitely be in that category, along with everyone else.)

This brings up another important issue, concerning the current category structure for the criticism, which will also fix the weight issue. I think that the criticism categories should be based on Subject Matter. For example: The material for creating all of these categories is already present. We know that Muslims have made critiques that aren't only specific to Muslims, as in, non-theological (e.g. ethical, logical, empirical critiques) which are already cited. And other Westerners also belong in authenticity and these other categories. Thus, it doesn't even make sense to categorize based on the religious background of the critics in the first place. So instead of taking the authenticity category OUT, we should be adding these other categories IN, and grouping all the present material accordingly. c Ө de1+6 <i style="color:black"> LogicBomb! </i> 07:32, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Authenticity
 * Logical/Empirical flaws in the Hadith
 * Theological Critique (primacy of the Quran)
 * Ethical Content

 * p.s. I've created a TP entry on the other page so as to restructure the categories according to the above. Once the categories there are fixed, we can include a single link on this page for the criticism section. Talk:Criticism_of_Hadith c Ө de1+6 <i style="color:black"> LogicBomb! </i> 07:58, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

 * @User:Code16 and Drmies I have failed to find any mention of "Sam Harris" in the article. Can you point him out to me? Secondly I'll just copy paste the text from the article and then perhaps CODE16 can point out where the "ethical" side of criticism has been mentioned.

 * 1) Goldziher writes, in his Mohammedan Studies:"it is not surprising that, among the hotly debated controversial issues of Islam, whether political or doctrinal, there is not one in which the champions of the various views are unable to cite a number of traditions, all equipped with imposing isnads". . We see that he is talking about "ISnad" i.e the chain of narration and is therefore arguing about authenticity.
 * 2) John Esposito notes that "Modern Western scholarship has seriously questioned the historicity and authenticity of the hadith", maintaining that "the bulk of traditions attributed to the Prophet Muhammad were actually written much later." Same here, he is questioning the authenticity.
 * 3) Esposito mentions Joseph Schacht as one scholar who argues this, claiming that Schacht "found no evidence of legal traditions before 722," from which Schacht concluded that "the Sunna of the Prophet is not the words and deeds of the Prophet, but apocryphal material" dating from later.  Here too, we see that he contests the "authenticity" of Hadith and calls it apocryphal at best.
 * 4) Contemporary Western scholars like Patricia Crone noted that early traditionalists were "still developing the conventions of the isnad" and provided isnads that by later standards were sketchy/deficient though they were closer to the historical material. Later hadith, though they possessed "impeccable isnads", were more likely to be fabricated. Again the question of "Isnads" which is direct criticism of authenticity.
 * 5) John Burton in his book The collection of the Quran (1977) argues that certain hadith which are widely accepted and used as a basis for formulating Sharia Law, were invented and forged to provide legal cover for the efforts to preserve the status-quo favoring the political elite. Authenticity concerns are glaringly obvious here.
 * 6) Madelung has not criticised hadith as far as I can tell from his quoted work he has not criticised hadith, he seems to support it to be frank.
 * 7) Harald Motzki said: "The mere fact that ahadith and asanid were forged must not lead us to conclude that all of them are fictitious or that the genuine and the spurious cannot be distinguished with some degree of certainty." He is criticizing authenticity of "some" ahadith, but is supportive of them in general. I am not sure why he is in the critics section? The man is saying that most of these traditions are good.
 * So please now tell me where are the WESTERN scholars who are questioning hadith on ethical grounds? Regards

FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 09:16, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

 * @User:FreeatlastChitchat Check the main article Criticism_of_Hadith. Remember this thread relates to content on both articles and Sam Harris is listed there. And I've already been advised by ( here User_talk:Code16 ) to move all the chunks of criticism from this page to the main Criticism page, leaving only a short summary for the entire criticism combined. And check the other TP, we are already discussing the new structure. So just give this up already, you're not getting anywhere with this, clearly.  c Ө de1+6 <i style="color:black"> LogicBomb! </i> 17:14, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * @User:Code16 I can see that you have been forced to remove everything that I asked you to remove early on. Thank you for that. This article looks good now, seeing that separate sections have been taken out and replaced with a short and concise summary. ty for undoing your own edits. Regards FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 04:21, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

 * @User:FreeatlastChitchat The only important thing relevant here is that you're no longer challenging Hallaq as a source anymore, so we can end the content dispute. The content was eventually gonna get moved to the main page anyway obviously. c Ө de1+6 <i style="color:black">TP </i> 12:42, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

I am a relatively new contributor to Wikipedia so forgive me if this question is retarded: What is the point of posting content in sections which have their own article? Shouldn't this article be relatively brief, explaining to non-Muslims and non-Arabic speaking persons what a hadith is, leaving them to further investigate specific aspects of hadith as included in the See also portion of the article? And also, after reading through this article there seems to be unnecessary repetition of information. Moldy loofah (talk) 06:35, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

24.88.249.59 (talk) 01:20, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

I can't believe these sentence appears in Wikipedia's article
Here is a copy of the paragraph from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith

Each hadith consists of two parts, the isnad (Arabic: 'support'), or the chain of transmitters through which a scholar traced the matn, or text, of a hadith back to the Prophet.[6][7][8] Individual hadith are classified by Muslim clerics and jurists as sahih ("authentic"), hasan ("good") or da'if ("weak").[9] However, there is no overall agreement: different groups and different individual scholars may classify a hadith differently. Now all of you, convert to Islam.. jkjk do what you want, you're going to hell anyways - a proud Christian!

Although I am not a Muslim. I considered the last sentence offensive against Muslim and should not be tolerated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.88.249.59 (talk) 01:15, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
 * bots must have missed it. --BoogaLouie (talk) 22:50, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

plural form of hadith
Made a large edit here which Tokenzero noted had a number of  problems. Amongst other things, I had tried to use the arabic plural form of hadith -- namely ahadith. At his suggestion I'm reverting my changes and will follow the  MOS:ISLAM practice of using the singular form for plural as well, so I propose everybody use "hadith" --  not "hadiths" or "ahadith" -- as the plural of "hadith" in this article. ... in case anyone cares. --BoogaLouie (talk) 22:57, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Edits of why hadith are important
can you give more explanation on why you deleted so much information here? such as:

Importance of hadith complementing the Quran
The theological importance of hadith comes from several verses in the Quran such as: "Say: Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away, he (the Prophet) is only responsible for the duty placed on him (i.e. to convey Allah’s Message) and you for that placed on you. If you obey him, you shall be on the right guidance. The Messenger’s duty is only to convey (the message) in a clear way. (An-Nur 24:54)" In God's messenger you have indeed a good example for everyone who looks forward with hope to God and the Last Day, and remembers God unceasingly. (Al-Ahzab 33:21)

I haven't reverted your edits but they seem highly problematic. ---BoogaLouie (talk) 22:53, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

 * Since something is important or not, is a subjective value judgment and the base for the claims are usually bloggs, therefore I removed them. It looked more like a forum, there people discussed their opinnion why their statement is true. Much of them was OR, for example, the quote "Follow the messenger". Quranites would (and do) counter what it simply means following the Quran, when the so called "Hadithists" (does this term even exists?) state, it means following the examples provided in hadiths. I am no objecting the importance of hadith to understand the Quran, but it should be based on research not on arguements Muslims came up recently to undermine or support a movement. I want to emphazise I am not objecting the claim that hadiths are important. Whether or not is not up to us (and I personally do not even care, since everybody should do as they think it is right), but simply quoting verses, interpretating them for one's own purpose and adding a judgment made by a webpage (I know they are popular among many Muslims today. Even on Wikipedia, I get frequently recommandtions to watch Youtube-Shaikh X for a "better understanding" when I make an unpopular edit). This is simply too close to OR. And I remember I did not removed all claims and arguements only whose really bad backuped, by extensive Quranquotes and when the text was going to write about "hadithists", which is simply polarizing. Regarding the Quran-Quotes, I want to add, a Quarnite could counter by ferring to Quran-Quotes when Israelis are critizised by God to follow their Trabbis more than revealed scripture and simply add a blog authored by a self-claimed Shaikh. It would end up in a forum-like arguementation, and we do not argue in an encycopedia just povides arguements made, usually with reference to a secondary source (any reseacher who analyzed the arguements, but is not involed in the discussion theirselves), so even the authors of Wikipedia are as unbiased as possible.--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 23:24, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

References and notes
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[reposted from User talkpage of Mhhossein ]

Importance of hadith complementing the Quran
The theological importance of hadith comes from several verses in the Quran such as (The claim is not back up by any source, it is only concluded from the following statements within the section): "Say: Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away, he (the Prophet) is only responsible for the duty placed on him (i.e. to convey Allah’s Message) and you for that placed on you. If you obey him, you shall be on the right guidance. The Messenger’s duty is only to convey (the message) in a clear way. (An-Nur 24:54) !(a webpage about introduction to Islam, without any research or academic viewpoint)!" In God's messenger you have indeed a good example for everyone who looks forward with hope to God and the Last Day, and remembers God unceasingly. (Al-Ahzab 33:21)

Yes, the entire section was build upon this. Next one: "derived solely from the hadith" (I changed to "reported in hadiths" since not all practises are on hadiths alone, there are even other sources apart from the Quran which simply derived over time as folkloric pracitises or they derived from exegesis of the Quran n combination with the hadith. Regarding the source given, I could not find the reference, but probably because the page number is not shown at GoogleBooks (have not found it in my libary). The most close I found was "As Nawawi explains, when the ulama have arrived at certainty about a stance derived from the Qur'an and Sunna as a whole, all individual Qur'anic verses and Hadiths must be interpreted to accord with it." Not sure if this cites the statement above, but I think it does not matter, since it is evident from that follows and that is self-evident. This is also the reason I did not removed it and would not eve remove, if the source actually makes no explicit statement. But I thought it should be rewritten (the "solely")).

Here we have the next: " Almost all Muslims, therefore, can be called Hadithists (i.e. believers in hadith), and maintain that the hadith" (as stated in the edit-summary, the term "hadithiss" seems to be invented. Never encoutnered any scholar who refered to non-Quranites as "hadithists". The term simply does not exists (there is also no source given, which could have introduced the term).)

"Quranists, on the contrary, hold that if the Quran is silent on some matter, it is because Allah did not hold its detail to be of consequence; and that some hadith contradict the Quran, evidence that some hadith are a source of corruption and not a complement to the Quran." (This is a statement about the belief of a specific group, what should have been sourced. Also, it implies about the Quran, it is silent about something, a point Quranites would disagree entirely, since they hold the Quran does not need explanation but is complete already. For example the prayers, usually regarded by opponents of Quranism, as relying on the hadith, Quranits use Quran-verses only to perform prayer. This debate was also written below. But since this implies as dispute, not supported by any reliable source, I removed it. It leads to an ongoing discussion Quranites and non-Quranites have and we are not a forum for discussion, we add discussions, when we have unbiased sources for them and not write that either we think or we think others might think. It is not a blog, neither is it an essay.)

"A classical example is salat (the five daily prayers of Islam), which is commanded in the Quran, and considered by all Muslims to be an obligatory part of Islamic religious practice, one of the five pillars of Islam." (More Essay-Style, when referring to an exmaple provided by the author of the article, tells about a dispute. Since the dispute is well known, I shortened it to " An example are the obligatory prayers, which are commanded in the Quran, but explained in hadith." and added it to the section above, but the conclusion made up by the author of the article (still the author of the article, not a source!) was removed by me, that is the " demonstrating to Hadithists that hadith "validly" fulfill the Quranic command of ritual prayer"-part."

Although I think the following part " However, hadith differ on these details and consequently salat is performed differently by different hadithist Islamic sects. " is still unencessary, I kept it, since I think it does not violent any WikiPedia Guidelines, nor that it is biased. But the removed content (or in another case adjusted content), was rather like an Essay, providing two points of arguements with a final conclusion, based on the opinnion of the former author, only supported by Webpages, which only confirmed one side of the arguement."

Just to sum it up. My objection was not solely based on the sources used as explained above.--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 19:33, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

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I put it to you that if the term "Hadithist" is difficult to find it is because so few Muslims are anything but, that the term is seldom used. I submit this also explains the lack of scholarly discussion on whether hadith/sunna are true Islam. There is so little disagreement. I have included IslamQA as a citation. You may not like IslamQA but you can't accuse it of lacking scholarly support.

I'd like to do a better job of editting the article but I am short on time.--BoogaLouie (talk) 00:56, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

 * Sure, you are free to edit, and I hope you do better than me. Improving is great, but IslamQA is unauthentic, since it is biased. It is like citing JehovaWitnesses for a Catholicism. Edit: I want to emphazise, my personall view about IslamQA does not matter. I even use it myself, if there is no longer source available. The problem is simply, it is no professionel research, but biased by their own religious point of view.--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 18:59, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

online prayer book from the 1800s
Hi, I don't know how relevant this is to this page, but I found a Prayer book from the 1800s on archive.org. One of the authors is described as "Hadith" but I assume that means that the contents are part of the tradition of what Muhammad said as described on this page. I was thinking of making a link to the book from the external links section, but I'm guess there are many, many examples of such books. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 21:01, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Where does it say that? I leafed through the book and nothing was in a language I could understand except for the library sticker in the front. If the book reproduces selected Hadith as prayers, then yes it could be linked. It's hard to tell the context just by looking at it though. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:08, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Under authors, it lists "Ahadith," which I assumed, perhaps incorrectly, was another way of writing "hadith." It seems more likely that it is part of the author's name. The description on the page says "A work containing several prayers, especially prescribed by the Prophet Muhammad, the leading Fakih and Imams." Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 16:26, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Ithil Nan thayakkama kaatuvathai pondru na ethilum kaatuvathu illai endru rasool Saw kooriyathu

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Chess game collection

The most common types of chess game collections are collected games of a single player (e.g. My Best Games of Chess 1908-1937 by Alexander Alekhine), annotations of games from a single tournament, collections of chess games covering a certain period of time (e.g. Oxford Encyclopaedia of Chess Games. Vol.1 1485-1866 by Levy and O'Connell), opening move collections, or collections centered on tactical or strategic themes (e.g. games featuring brilliant defense, attacking play, endgame technique, and so on).

Chess Informant is a series which collects chess games annotated by top players and publishes them in a language independent format.

Chess game collections can be categorized by:

1. OTB (Over the board)

2. Correspondence

3. Online played games

4. Engines vs engine

5. Engine vs human

6. Puzzles

7. mid games

8. endgames

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The Cardigans

The Cardigans are a Swedish rock band formed in Jönköping, Sweden, in 1992 by guitarist Peter Svensson, bassist Magnus Sveningsson, drummer Bengt Lagerberg, keyboardist Lars-Olof Johansson and lead singer Nina Persson. Post-hiatus shows since 2012 have been with Oskar Humlebo on guitar instead of Svensson.

With their debut album Emmerdale (1994) they gained a solid base in their home country and enjoyed some success abroad, especially in Japan. Their second album Life (1995) secured them an international reputation. Their popularity rose when their single "Lovefool", from the album First Band on the Moon (1996), was included in the soundtrack to the 1996 film Romeo + Juliet. Other singles included "Erase/Rewind" and "My Favourite Game" from the album Gran Turismo (1998). After a two-year hiatus the band returned to recording, and released their fifth album Long Gone Before Daylight (2003), a mellower country-flavoured record. Their latest album, as of July 2024, is Super Extra Gravity (2005). After a 2006 tour, the band took a five-year break from musical activities before reuniting in 2012 to play several concerts. They have sold over 15 million albums worldwide.

First years: 1992–1994
Peter Svensson and Magnus Sveningsson, both heavy metal musicians, formed the group on 31 October 1992 in Jönköping, Sweden, with drummer Bengt Lagerberg, keyboardist Lars-Olof Johansson and lead singer Nina Persson. Persson did not want to be a musician growing up, having an interest in art instead, which resulted in her attending art school. "I never really strived to be a musician; I was just, sort of, recruited into this band. I was bored out of my mind in this small, safe place (Jönköping). I was like, 'Awesome, I get to hang with fun guys.'"

Living together in a small apartment, The Cardigans recorded a demo tape with Persson providing lead vocals on only one of the songs towards the end of the track list. A&R man Ola Hermanson heard the demo and signed the band to his Trampolene imprint. They released their debut album Emmerdale in Sweden and Japan in 1994; it was re-released internationally in 1997. The album included the Swedish radio hit "Rise & Shine", which was later voted the best of 1994 in a poll in Slitz magazine.

Commercial success: 1995–2000
The remainder of 1994 was spent touring Europe and recording Life, which was released worldwide in 1995. Life became an international success, selling more than a million copies and achieving platinum status in Japan. In 1996, Life was released under the label Minty Fresh in the US, but this release was essentially a compilation of tracks from Emmerdale and Life.

After their success with Life, The Cardigans signed with Mercury Records, under which they released First Band on the Moon worldwide in 1996. "Lovefool" was a hit worldwide, particularly in the US and Japan, where the album reached platinum status in three weeks. The album also achieved gold sales status in the US. "Lovefool" was shown on MTV in the late 1990s as a music video with clips from the 1996 hit film Romeo + Juliet starring Leonardo DiCaprio and Claire Danes. It was also featured in the film Cruel Intentions (1999).

In 1997, the band played themselves in an episode of Beverly Hills, 90210 as the featured entertainment at their college graduation party, hosted by Kelly Taylor's dad. The band performed "Lovefool" and "Been It." Their song "Carnival" was featured in the 1997 film Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery. The band was also asked to submit the theme song for the James Bond film Tomorrow Never Dies but rejected the request due to exhaustion that would be exacerbated by the potential added workload; Persson has called her decision to turn down the offer "one of my biggest mistakes."

1998's Gran Turismo was followed by a long hiatus during which the band members pursued solo side projects. The same year they also released a compilation album of rare B-sides, The Other Side of the Moon as a Japan-only release. The video of the song "My Favourite Game" was censored by MTV for showing reckless driving. Despite this, it went on to become their second global hit song. "My Favourite Game" was featured on the soundtrack of the PlayStation video game Gran Turismo 2 in the intro movie on CD1. That year also saw their song "Deuce" appearing on The X-Files: The Album. Their song "Erase/Rewind" was featured in the 1999 films Never Been Kissed and The Thirteenth Floor. In 2018, German author Thorsten Nagelschmidt published a booked titled Der Abfall der Herzen, a reference to the band's song "Junk of the Hearts" featured on Gran Turismo.

In 1999, the Cardigans recorded a duet cover of Talking Heads' "Burning Down the House" with Tom Jones for his album Reload.

Back to spotlight and hiatus: 2002–2006
The Cardigans returned in 2002 to record Long Gone Before Daylight (2003), a collection of songs mainly written by Persson and Svensson. Long Gone Before Daylight became one of the best selling albums in Sweden in 2003. After a two-year hiatus from their last album, it was released in Japan on 19 March 2003 and in Europe on 24 March 2003. Later it was also released in Canada (22 April 2003) and the United States (25 May 2004).

The album differs from the band's earlier works. Their familiar "happy" pop sound takes on a change to pop songs with more of an American country music influence. It is a much darker album than their previous works, and quieter than Gran Turismo. Indeed, even lead singer Nina Persson dyed her once light blonde hair to jet black, reflecting the band's change of mood. The album was produced by Per Sunding after the group's regular producer Tore Johanssen stepped down, feeling himself unable to provide the country sound the group wanted.

Criticism was generally mixed. Some found the change of direction welcome, and felt the band had matured, making songs that were even better than other experienced country-pop styled artists. Others missed the old pop sound, and accused the band of possibly being ashamed of their former "happy" pop sound. The first single of the album, "For What It's Worth" was released on 17 February 2003. The second single was "You're the Storm" released on 2 June 2003. The third and final single was "Live and Learn" released on 3 December 2003. In the summer of 2004, The Cardigans toured with Liz Phair, Katy Rose and Charlotte Martin on the Chicks With Attitude tour.

On 28 April 2005, the band's iTunes Originals album was released through iTunes. On 19 October 2005, the band released their sixth album Super Extra Gravity to generally favourable reviews. Super Extra Gravity went straight to the #1 spot on the Swedish album chart and was certified gold (sales over 40,000). After the band finished promotional activities in Autumn 2006, the band entered an extended hiatus and devoted themselves to other projects.

Reunion, tour and future: 2012–present
In 2012, the Cardigans received a lucrative offer from Hultsfred Festival to perform the album Gran Turismo in full. After initial hesitation, the band decided to accept the offer "as it felt like a good way of tearing us out of our strange new everyday life," according to Persson. Peter Svensson declined to participate, although he had no objection to the band touring without him. They recruited singer-songwriter Oskar Humlebo to fill in for Svensson, and asked their agent to seek more shows for them to play. Ultimately, the band made their live comeback with shows in Lund and Copenhagen ahead of Hultsfred, before playing in Poland, Finland, Russia, Indonesia, Taiwan and Japan, with a scheduled concert in Israel cancelled by the promoter. Most of these shows involved performing Gran Turismo in full, followed by an assortment of hits from their other albums.

Still with Humlebo in place of Svensson, the band played career-spanning sets when touring resumed during late 2013 with shows in Japan, China and Russia, followed by more dates in 2015 which took them to South Korea, Europe and South America. In interviews promoting her 2014 solo album Animal Heart, Persson suggested that the success of their most recent live dates opened the possibility for future Cardigans recordings, though there were no firm plans. "It's really fun to do greatest hits things, since there's nothing else, but I think if we continue having this much fun we would like to make another record, because we like to create new things," said Persson. The band's only scheduled show for 2016 was at Qstock (Oulu, Finland) on 29 July. In 2017, they performed in Stockholm in Turku, Finland and in Yammatovo 3 festival in Croatia.

In June 2018, the band announced their only live shows of the year: a four-date UK tour in December to celebrate the 20th anniversary of Gran Turismo in which they would perform the album in full again. In an interview to promote the tour, Persson stated, "There won’t be any more Cardigans records, I’m pretty sure. But we’ll keep doing little tours and shows as long as it’s fun, as long as we can do it well and feel that it’s something that’s current to us."

In May 2023, Nina Persson confirmed Peter Svensson would never rejoin the band, and that as a result there would be no new Cardigans albums. The idea of making new music without Svensson was overruled too. The band keeps on touring sporadically.

Solo projects
During the band's first break Nina Persson released an album as A Camp, and Peter Svensson and Bengt Lagerberg worked on the project Paus with help from Joakim Berg from Kent, and Magnus Sveningsson recorded as Righteous Boy.

In 2006, Sveningsson restarted their old label Trampolene and became an A&R for it. The first signing was the Swedish popband The Animal Five, which was a minor success in Sweden and Germany.

Lagerberg and Johansson formed the group Brothers Of End, releasing a debut album The End in 2009, and a second album Mount Inside in 2011. A third album, Shakers Love, was released in 2014, and Nina Persson appeared on the track "Heat".

In November 2006, Persson featured on The Cake Sale, an album set up by Oxfam Ireland. It contained nine tracks from some of Ireland's leading artists. Proceeds from the album went to the fair trade campaign.

Persson also appeared on the Manic Street Preachers' album Send Away the Tigers (May 2007), providing guest vocals on the UK Chart #2 single "Your Love Alone Is Not Enough". She shared vocals with Manics frontman James Dean Bradfield, who also appeared on stage with the band at the Glastonbury Festival 2007, and who has rated Peter Svensson as his second favourite guitarist.

In the band's break of 2007, Persson recorded the second A Camp album Colonia, which was released in early 2009. A Camp supported the US release of Colonia with a tour, which began in New York City on 26 May and completed on 15 June in Los Angeles.

In 2010, Persson appeared on Danger Mouse & Sparklehorse's collaboration (Dark Night of the Soul) singing "Daddy's Gone" (with Mark Linkous).

Persson released the album Animal Heart under her own name in 2014.

Band members
Current members
 * Lars-Olof Johansson – keyboards, guitar
 * Bengt Lagerberg – drums
 * Nina Persson – vocals, keyboards
 * Magnus Sveningsson – bass

Current touring members
 * Oskar Humlebo – lead guitar (2012–present)

Former members
 * Peter Svensson – lead guitar

Albums

 * Emmerdale (1994)
 * Life (1995)
 * First Band on the Moon (1996)
 * Gran Turismo (1998)
 * Long Gone Before Daylight (2003)
 * Super Extra Gravity (2005)

Awards and nominations
BMI Pop Awards

 * 1999
 * "Lovefool"
 * Award-Winning Song
 * Won
 * Won

Billboard Music Awards

 * 1997
 * "Lovefool"
 * Top Hot 100 Airplay Track
 * Nominated
 * Nominated

Billboard Music Video Awards

 * 1997
 * "Lovefool"
 * Pop/Rock Clip of the Year
 * Nominated
 * Nominated

Brit Awards

 * 2000
 * Themselves
 * Best International Group
 * Nominated
 * Nominated

Danish Music Awards

 * 2000
 * Gran Turismo
 * Foreign Album of the Year
 * Won
 * Won

Denmark GAFFA Awards

!Ref.
 * rowspan=2|1998
 * rowspan=2|"My Favorite Game"
 * Best Foreign Video
 * Nominated
 * rowspan=4|
 * rowspan=2|Best Foreign Hit
 * Nominated
 * 1999
 * "Burning Down the House" (with Tom Jones)
 * Nominated
 * 2005
 * Nina Persson
 * Best Foreign Female Act
 * Nominated
 * 2005
 * Nina Persson
 * Best Foreign Female Act
 * Nominated

Grammis

 * 1995
 * rowspan=3|Themselves
 * rowspan=2|Best Pop Group
 * Nominated
 * rowspan=4|1997
 * Won
 * Best Artist
 * rowspan=3 Nominated
 * First Band on the Moon
 * Best Album
 * "Lovefool"
 * Best Song
 * rowspan=5|1999
 * rowspan=2|Themselves
 * Best Pop Group
 * Won
 * Best Artist
 * Nominated
 * Gran Turismo
 * Best Album
 * Won
 * rowspan=2|"My Favorite Game"
 * Best Song
 * rowspan=2 Nominated
 * Best Music Video
 * rowspan=2|2004
 * Long Gone Before Daylight
 * Best Album
 * rowspan=2 Won
 * rowspan=2|Themselves
 * rowspan=2|Best Rock Group
 * 2006
 * Nominated
 * Best Music Video
 * rowspan=2|2004
 * Long Gone Before Daylight
 * Best Album
 * rowspan=2 Won
 * rowspan=2|Themselves
 * rowspan=2|Best Rock Group
 * 2006
 * Nominated
 * rowspan=2|Best Rock Group
 * 2006
 * Nominated
 * Nominated

MTV Europe Music Awards

 * 1996
 * Themselves
 * Best New Act
 * rowspan=6 Nominated
 * 1997
 * "Lovefool"
 * Best Song
 * rowspan=3|1999
 * rowspan=4|Themselves
 * Best Group
 * Best Rock
 * rowspan=2|Best Nordic Act
 * 2003
 * Best Rock
 * rowspan=2|Best Nordic Act
 * 2003
 * rowspan=2|Best Nordic Act
 * 2003
 * 2003

Rockbjornen

 * 1998
 * Themselves
 * Best Swedish Band
 * Won
 * Won

Smash Hits Poll Winners Party

!Ref.
 * 1996
 * Themselves
 * Best International Band
 * Nominated
 * Nominated

TMF Awards

 * 1999
 * "My Favorite Game"
 * Best Video International
 * Won
 * Won

Žebřík Music Awards

!Ref.
 * 1998
 * "My Favorite Game"
 * Best International Video
 * Nominated
 * Nominated

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Bolo (1987 video game)

Bolo is a video game initially created for the BBC Micro computer by Stuart Cheshire in 1987, and was later ported by Cheshire to the Apple Macintosh. Although offered for sale for the BBC Micro, this version is now regarded as lost. It is a networked multiplayer game that simulates a tank battlefield. Currently, a Windows version known as Winbolo remains in operation and continues to have a small but active player base.

Name
According to the Bolo Frequently Asked Questions page, "Bolo is the Hindi word for communication. Bolo is about computers communicating on the network, and more importantly about humans communicating with each other, as they argue, negotiate, form alliances, agree strategies, etc."

Another tank game with the same name was created for the Apple II in 1982. In the user manual, Cheshire wrote that this was "an unfortunate coincidence".

Networking
The Macintosh version of Bolo supported up to sixteen concurrent networked players, using AppleTalk over a Local Area Network, or UDP over the Internet. All AppleTalk network connection types were supported, including LocalTalk, EtherTalk, TokenTalk, and AppleTalk Remote Access. The current Windows version continues to support 16 players, who join via an active games page or the game's Discord channel.

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Dominicana de Aviación

Compañía Dominicana de Aviación, usually shortened to Dominicana, was an airline based in the Dominican Republic and served as the flag carrier for the country.

History

Dominicana was established in 1944 in an effort to create a national airline aiming at the large number of Dominican citizens who emigrated to the United States, Puerto Rico and Spain. The initial fleet consisted of the Douglas C-47 and DC-6. During the 1950s, Dominicana launched a domestic route network to places such as Puerto Plata, La Romana and Santiago de los Caballeros, acquiring Curtiss C-46 Commando and Aviation Traders Carvair airplanes. In 1960, the airline was operating international nonstop passenger service between Ciudad Trujillo (the capitol of the Dominican Republic which was later renamed Santo Domingo) and Miami with Douglas DC-4 propliners and also nonstop between Ciudad Trujillo and San Juan, Puerto Rico with Douglas DC-3 and  Curtiss C-46 prop aircraft. Later during the 1960s, Dominicana renewed its fleet with the Douglas DC-8, McDonnell Douglas DC-9 and Boeing 727 jetliners. The route network was further expanded, with more destinations in the Americas and the Caribbean during the 1970s. At its height in the 1980s, Dominicana operated the Boeing 747 to European destinations like Madrid, Milan, and Frankfurt.

At the end of the decade, the airline's economic situation worsened due to poor management, lack of innovation or cost-cutting culture, and the heavy maintenance costs of its aging fleet. More importantly, on the revenue side, government employees also sought to fly non-revenue, given the typical patronage in the Dominican Republic with many flights full of them often displacing paying passengers. Subsequently, the fleet and network were scaled back, leaving only the original routes like New York, Miami, Caracas, and San Juan. In an effort to save on maintenance costs, Dominicana began to operate leased aircraft (mostly Boeing 727s and also Airbus A300s). The financial situation further worsened into the 1990s, which coincided with a negative customer reputation (like lost or delayed luggage as well as unreliable schedules). In 1994, now also faced with Cat1 restrictions in the US, Dominicana wet-leased a Boeing 737-300 and a Boeing 757-200 from Mexican low-cost airline TAESA. Further aircraft were wet-leased from Express One International, Atlantic Aviation and Carnival Air Lines. During Christmas of 1994, many Dominicana VFR passengers were stranded at JFK, MIA, and SJU when the airline was unable to provide necessary funding to lessors for heavily-booked Christmas flights (and, overbooked for the B727 the lessors were providing, since an A300 had been expected to be wet-leased). As a consequence of the outrage, in early 1995 the government of the Dominican Republic decided to shut down the airline. While the shutdown was originally only planned as a temporary measure to get re-organized, the company never became operational again, and was dissolved in 1999. The vice president at the time was quoted saying that "Dominicans can fly APA International" which was another "local" airline that benefited handsomely from Dominicana's demise. While several attempts have been made to privatize the airline, no efforts came to fruition. American Airlines and later JetBlue dominated the market and the business case for a new Dominican flag carrier is relatively weak given the investment that would be required and the debts that would have to be honored in order to use the Dominicana name.

Destinations

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 * Oranjestad (Queen Beatrix International Airport)
 * Toronto (Toronto Pearson International Airport)
 * Willemstad (Curaçao International Airport)
 * Barahona (María Montez International Airport)
 * Puerto Plata (Gregorio Luperón International Airport) Hub
 * Santo Domingo (Las Américas International Airport) Hub
 * Santiago de los Caballeros (Cibao International Airport)
 * Quito (Old Mariscal Sucre International Airport)
 * Paris (Charles de Gaulle Airport)
 * Frankfurt (Frankfurt Airport)
 * Port-au-Prince (Toussaint Louverture International Airport)
 * Milán (Milan Malpensa Airport)
 * Panama City (Tocumen International Airport)
 * San Juan (Luis Muñoz Marín International Airport) Focus city
 * Madrid (Adolfo Suárez Madrid–Barajas Airport)
 * London (Gatwick Airport)
 * Boston (Logan International Airport)
 * Miami (Miami International Airport) Focus city
 * New York City (John F. Kennedy International Airport) Focus city
 * Orlando (Orlando International Airport)
 * Caracas (Simón Bolívar International Airport)

Fleet
Over the years, Dominicana operated the following aircraft types:

Livery
The most common Dominicana livery consisted of a metallic silver fuselage, with red and blue cheatlines going all the way from the cockpit to the tail painting, representing the colors in the Dominican flag. The Dominicana titles were written in black letters above the passenger windows.

Accidents and incidents

 * On 11 January 1948, a Dominicana Douglas C-47 Skytrain (registered HI-6) crashed into a mountain near Yamasá in bad weather conditions, killing all 30 passengers and two crew members on board, amongst them the baseball team of B.B.C Santiago. The aircraft had been on a scheduled flight from Barahona to Santiago de los Caballeros.
 * On 17 July 1958 at 10:16 UTC, a Curtiss C-46 Commando aircraft (registered HI-16) operating Dominicana Flight 402 from Ciudad Trujillo (today's Santo Domingo) to Miami crashed shortly after take-off due to an engine problem, killing the two pilots on board.
 * On 23 June 1969 at 15:42 local time, a Dominicana Aviation Traders Carvair aircraft (registered HI-168), which was operating Flight 401 from Miami to Santo Domingo, crashed shortly after take-off from Miami International Airport, killing all four persons on board, as well as six people on the ground. The aircraft had suffered an engine failure during take-off run, on which the pilots were not able to react accordingly.
 * On 15 February 1970 at approximately 18:30 local time, a Dominicana McDonnell Douglas DC-9 (registered HI-177) crashed into the sea some 3 kilometres off Santo Domingo, killing all 97 passengers and 5 crew members on board, making it the deadliest accident in the history of the Dominican Republic until the crash of Birgenair Flight 301 in 1996. The aircraft had just departed Las Américas International Airport for a scheduled flight to San Juan, when it suffered a dual engine failure.
 * On 5 September 1993, a Dominicana Boeing 727-200 (registered HI-617CA) was destroyed in a fire at Las Américas Airport. The then 20 years old aircraft had been operating a scheduled flight from San Juan to Santo Domingo carrying 98 passengers and 7 crew members, when the cabin filled with smoke during disembarkation, which was caused by a fire due to electrical overheating. All people involved managed to leave the aircraft before it was completely engulfed by the flames.

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Bolo

Bolo may refer to:

Fictional entities

 * Bolo, in the Bolo universe, the name of sentient supertanks
 * An enemy in the Dick Tracy series
 * Bolo, a character in the Shantae series
 * Prince Bolo, a character in Haroun and the Sea of Stories
 * Bolo, a fictional community in the novel bolo'bolo, a 1983 book by Hans Widmer

Video games

 * Bolo (1982 video game), an Apple II tank game
 * Bolo (1987 video game), a simulation of a tank battle
 * Bolo (Breakout clone), an enhanced clone of the Breakout computer game for the Atari ST

Military and weapons

 * Bolo Airfield, a World War II airfield on Okinawa
 * Bolo knife, a Filipino knife similar to the machete
 * Bolo Shell, a type of specialty shotgun shell
 * Douglas B-18 Bolo, a United States Army Air Corps bomber aircraft from the 1930s
 * Operation Bolo, a United States military operation during the Vietnam War
 * Bolo, a variant of the Mauser C96 semi-automatic pistol

People

 * Bolo (footballer) (born 1974), Spanish footballer
 * Bolo (prince) (1613–1652), Manchu prince of the Qing Dynasty
 * Bolo Pasha (born Paul Bolo, 1867–1918), French adventurer and German agent of the First World War
 * Lashmer Whistler (1898–1963), British general of the Second World War nicknamed "Bolo" and "Private Bolo"
 * Bolo Yeung (born 1946), Chinese actor and martial artist

Places

 * Bolo, Central African Republic
 * Bolo, Ethiopia, a village in Ethiopia
 * Bolo River, a river in Romania
 * Bolo, Tibet, a township in Tibet
 * Bolo Township, Washington County, Illinois, US
 * Ogu/Bolo, a Local Government Area of Nigeria
 * BOLO, Bos & Lommer, a neighbourhood of Amsterdam in the Netherlands

Other uses

 * BOLO, or "be on (the) lookout", an all-points bulletin in law enforcement
 * Bolo (bread), commonly prepared by Tunisian, Libyan, and Italian Jews
 * Bolo (tether), a type of spinning space tether
 * Bolo bat, a child's toy
 * Bolo punch, a wide sweeping lower cut used in martial arts
 * Bolo snake or Fiji snake (Ogmodon vitianus), an extremely rare snake found only in Fiji
 * Bolo tie, a decorative string tie
 * Bolo, a derogatory term for Bolshevik
 * Bolo, a cake in Portuguese cuisine
 * Bolo language, a Bantu language of Angola

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