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By whom?
In practice, however, it is usually used to refer strictly to California.

 * By whom? Would these people not consider Seattle to be on the West Coast? --Brion 06:13 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC)

 * By Easterners who only recognize New York and Hollywood as parts of the United States. -- Zoe

 * Can you give an example of usage? I'm honestly curious. Is this just "thinking mostly of California", as I might tend to think of Boston-New York-Philly-Washington as "the East Coast" and not tend to think so much of whatever cities they have in, say, Georgia? (Uhhh, Atlanta or something.) But if you asked me, I'd certainly consider Georgia to be in "the East Coast". --Brion 06:23 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC)

 * The first example that comes to mind is in the article itself, when it talks about "West Coast Rap". That's the Los Angeles area only.  -- Zoe

 * Well then, it seems the term is used to refer specifically to Los Angeles, not to California! ;) Seriously, if the majority of the population and cultural capital of the West Coast is in California, why would it be surprising that things in California dominate the set of things described as being West Coast? --Brion

 * Um, I'm not saying it is surprising? -- Zoe

 * Well, how about 'remarkable'? The current wording implies, to me, that the following dialogue sequence is possible, even likely:

 * Bob: Well, I was visiting some relatives on the West Coast and...
 * Tim: What? I thought you were visiting relatives in Seattle. Did you take a side trip to the West Coast too?
 * Bob: Yes, Tim. I did. Seattle is nice, but on the West Coast they have even better things to see, like the Golden Gate Bridge. It was nice to get away to the West Coast after that dreary visit to Washington State.

 * which I doubt. If it's simply meant to note that many West Coast things are Californian, that seems a relatively unremarkable fact; if worthy of mention at all, it's certainly worded incorrectly. If something like the above is meant, then I'm darn curious who really talks like that. And if it's just New Yorkers, then we need some NPOV-ing. ;) --Brion

LOL, Brion. No, but they'll probably say "I flew out to the West Coast" (or, more likely, The Coast)", meaning California and probably more likely Southern California. I don't see anything POV about it.  -- Zoe

 * Again, I see this as unremarkable. If I tell you "I'm flying out to the East Coast", meaning the Northeast and probably more likely New York or Boston, are you going to write that "'East Coast' in practice, however, is usually used to refer strictly to New York and southern New England"? It's not a POV issue so much as one of accuracy. The 'usually' and particularly 'strictly' are very weighty and general pronouncements which make no allowance for the simple weights of probabilities of subject matter or variations in regional usage, and I question their accuracy. --Brion 07:00 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC)

 * As a native Seattleite, I've always heard Washington and Oregon referred to as belonging to the West Coast--We even have West Coast Hotels here. Now, when someone says they went to the West Coast, they usually went to California, but that doesn't mean that West Coast usually applies only to California. Likewise, when someone says, "I went to France last summer," they usually went to Paris, but that doesn't mean that the Val de Loire isn't part of France. I'm going to remove the sentence, and if anyone objects, she can say something here. -- ShadowDragon 22:36, 12 Aug 2003 (UTC)

It seems pretty basic to me. The west coast is Washington, Oregon, and California. The western coastal states. i've never heard it used in any other way, and certainly not to refer to Alaska or Hawaii... As to the East Coast, perhaps because I am from the west coast, to me I understand it to be just the eastern coastal states, with no real regard for distinguishing between new england and the south. Novium 00:45, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

When someone refers to the "West Coast" they mean only the states of California, Oregon, and Washington. Nevada is never, never considered a West Coast state and neither is Arizona. They are considered part of the Mountain and Southwest regions respectively. Alaska and Hawaii are on their own and are part of no region except for the purposes of the Census bureau. As for "East Coast", yes geographically the entire coastline from and including Maine to Florida is the East Coast of the United States, however when people refer to the "East Coast" they are generally referring only to the portion from Maine to as far south as Washington, D.C. One would not say, "East Coast values are so different from those of the west, I realized this on my recent trip to Savannah, Georgia"; this would make absolutely no sense. When in the west coast states, the Coast would mean that portion of the three states west of the Cascades and the Coast Ranges.--142.161.188.92 08:26, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

As an outsider/insider with perhaps a more objective(?) POV, I'll toss my two cents worth into this:

I'm Canadian from the West Coast. Obviously not the "West Coast of the United States" as mentioned in the title of the article, but Canadians use the terms "West Coast" and "Left Coast" in much the same fashion as described in the article. However, Hawaii, Nevada and Arizona are certainly not on the West Coast, the operative words being "west" and "coast" and the unspoken implication being "of the North American continent". We use the term to describe basically the North American coast between Anchorage and Tijuana.

However, we are well aware that someone in New York might use the term exclusively to mean "Los Angeles".

Steve Lowther 10:25, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Colours and appearance
I have made a proposal to change the colour of the map box, please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. regions --Qirex 05:38, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

The article says WC is sometimes referred to as AK and HI. ummm... no--Lamrock 09:22, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

"...'The Coast', especially by New Yorkers..."
It has also come to be called "The Coast", especially by New Yorkers...

Is there a source for this? I'm a New Yorker, and I don't recognize the usage. Omphaloscope » talk 18:10, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I can't say that I've ever heard my New York friends use it this way.--Will.i.am 03:39, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry
This article was clearly not written by anyone familiar with the term West Coast. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lamrock (talk • contribs)

 * Do you have any specific comments or criticisms that can be useful in improving the article? Blank Verse 12:09, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I think a lot of people that do not consider Arizona and Nevada west coast most likely live directly along the coastal areas of California, Oregan or Washington. The term "west coast" in a geographically literal sense would basically exclude all regions outside of Huntington Beach or Seattle like the Inland Empire, Phoenix, Tucson, Las Vegas, Reno, you name it. The term "west coast" in a non-literal sense would include areas that are very similar. For those that have been between Phoenix and Los Angeles for example will notice that the two cities are very similar (palm trees, gang problems, warm weather, large Hispanic population, huge suburban areas, etc.). It goes without question southern California is kind of the "capital" of the west coast, but if you look at the number of Californians that have influenced the culture in Phoenix and Las Vegas for example it would tell a different story. Many Californians brought their business, families, and way of life to AZ and NV and it is very evident. I think the same goes for Pennsylvania whereas the western part of the start is NOT east coast while Philadelphia clearly is because of the influential culture of New Jersey and New York. B —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.162.166.46 (talk • contribs)

Non-U.S. Cities
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 * For certain purposes, all the cities stretching from Vancouver, Canada to Tijuana, Mexico are sometimes included.

Unless "certain purposes" are made clear, including cities outside the U.S. in an article about the U.S. doesn't seem to make sense. — B rien C lark Talk 05:12, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I'm from Vancouver and also understand Tijuana (there's old parallels for obvious reasons, despite the different cultures); the reason is that it's the I-5 corridor and we're at either end of it and ther's a common culture and mutual identity with West Coast (at least insofar as Vancouver/Victoria etc goes, if not maybe tijuana), and part of its "metropole" or axis; we're both "on the border" and isolated from the rest of our country (although in tijuana's case there's a few other large cities isolated with it), even from our state/geograhic area (though it's not a 24hour drive even to Calgary from here as it is from Cabo to La Paz...); as border cities we're part of the US cities'/corridor's economic organism in a big way and our economies are closely tied into it, Vancouver's as much as Tijuana's; by this I mean above-board economies as well as dark-market smuggling and worse of all kinds; this goes back to the booze running of the '30s - Vancouver and Tijuana had major trade/shipping between their latitudes, guess why (other boats would bring it in through the fogbanks...) and it goes back even before that; Vancouver and Seattle have always been rivals as well as partner in all kinds of ways, and are more like each other than they are like anywhere else, with the exception of smaller cities adjacent to them. I don't know how to summarize or allude to it; in practical terms it's really Whistler and Enseneda, which are where the effects of the corridor run out (Whistler is as much a Seattle suburb as a Vancouver one; and Ensenada's as tied in by an extension of I-5, effectively, down to it; it's the twin city thing too, Vancouver, though really paired with Bellingham/Whatcom County, is a sister/twin to Seattle and somewhat to Portland, although Portland strikes me more in the role of Victoria, regionally-speaking within each country, rather than by state/province; Ensenada/Tijuana is of course complementary to Greater San Diego, which as part of southern California is, whether SD likes to admit to it or not, an extension of the Los Angeles/SoCal megalopolis; and so by default is Tijuana, with Ensenada in an outlier area where the good pavement runs out (whistler's not quite all four-laned yet, but by the Olympics it's all three-laned at least, which is all the tough geography can allow).  Again, I don't know how to summarize these relationships; for those of us from here "West Coast" is a term we don't confine to Canada, although people from Toronto will tend to mean us when they say it; we've also used it to include "all of us", all the West Coast from San Diego/Tijuana up, as a necessary organism; we shared a history and the freeway and its predecessor tied us together closely; BC has more in common with California/WA/OR in many ways than it does with anything east of the rockies; likewise tijuana is not at all like the rest of Mexico; anyway, that's why whoever said that said that; obviously I'm not the man to come up with a quick summary of it, so there you go ;-).  g'nite.Skookum1 06:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

 * IMO btw there should be someway of indicating on the dab page that, within the mutual West Coasts of Canada and the United States, users of the term mean historically/traditionally mean both places at once, although that's WAY more true of Canadians than Americans, partly because we're so much more necessarily aware of the US; not just the ties; metro Vancouver hugs the border, is integrated with it, and confined to it by geography and historically by shared isolation and mutual dependence; but most americans generally don't think about canada at all, no offense, relative to Canadians I mean, so whether or not Vancouver/Whistler is a part of it; but of course if you stopped and asked them they'd say yes. Point is that the West Coast of Australia is only one place; the "West Coast" in our case or rather from within the regional perspective, is the West Coast of North America, not particularly of either country; as a cultural economic sphere yes, its poles are Tijuana and VAncouver (and their outliers) as they wouldn't, in either case, have existed without the border, and the presence of the American cities in between; it's an organism.  In pure geographic terms the article History of the west coast of North America or History of the West Coast of North America, however the capitalization is run on the target there, uses an Alaska to Panama definition; or perhaps only to Isthmus of Tehuantepec which is the boundary between North and Central America, if Central America is "defined off", I can't remember just now but it doesn't stop at Vancouver, or Tijuana.Skookum1 06:22, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Last blurb: I can't speak for tijuaneros, but definitely in a cultural/identity sense when Vancouverites/Victorians say "West Coast" period and they mean everything down to San Diego, with Tijuana by default if you asked them about it as a necessary blob on the order border like we are here; the freeway is continous through the border, terminating a short while after (rather suddenly, relative to its length, but it's geography/economcs is why).Skookum1 06:28, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I'm sure Tijuana and Vancouver are integrally tied to the United States, both being close to the U.S. geographically. However, it seems that in an article titled "West Coast of the United States," they should be mentioned only briefly that they impact the West Coast of the U.S., or not mentioned at all—for the simple reason that they are not part of the United States. Now an article titled "West Coast of North America," or "West Coast of the Americas" would probably warrant much more attention to Vancouver and Tijuana. — B rien C lark Talk 22:08, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Well, I think it's OK or should be in the article so long as it's a cultural-economic entity that's being talked about, i.e. the "West Coast" as a single organism (which it is, irresepective of the border and national definitions/titles of articles). I just now made a reference on the West Coast page at the Canada section explaining the BC context/usage, which "identifies with" LA-SF-Seattle, and re the general outside-BC Canadian meaning as meaning only BC; there happens to be a British Columbia Coast article, which Canucko purists might insist on renaming; it exists partly because "the Coast" is one of our three or four main subregions (the others being the Island(s), the Lower Mainland - both really part of the Coast, hence the "three or four" - and the Interior (which also includes but isn't usually used to refer to much of the North, meaning "the Far North" closer to the Yukon and behind the Alaska Panhandle).  The "problem" is the Wiki parameters on defining things by national categories; like other things cut in half by the border - like the native nations - the national parameters make things a bit difficult when it's non-national terminology that it conflicts with; the same as happened on Talk:Pacific Northwest in varying ways about what is and isn't the Pacific Northwest; in the US in general it tends to only mean the PacNW states, sometimes not including Alaska; but from within the region it's a given that BC, at least its Coast, is part of the Pacific Northwest, as is the Alaska at least as far as Glacier Bay/Lynn Canal.  Maybe a statement like "the US West Coast is interrupted for x00 miles by the Coast of British Columbia.  Residents of that coastline, particularly those in the urban areas of the Lower Mainland/Greater Vancouver and Vancouver Island/Greater Victoria, which adjoin the border, generally identify themselves as "West Coast" as being the same context that includes Seattle and Los Angeles", i.e. not as the West Coast of Canada as such, but of the continent, and of the particular urban/cultural milieu that is the I-5 corridor.  We're not just a big blank spot on the map; in strict terms "West Coast of the United States" is the title of this article, but it should define the standalone term "West Coast", which occurs through it repeatedly, as generally including Vancouver and Victoria and, from what I gather, so is Tijuana on the other end; I don't think a Seattleite or Portlandite would correct me on this.  Somebody from Toronto might object though ;-0Skookum1 23:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I'm from Seattle and I do agree. Even though this page is called "West Coast of the United States", which taken literally would be a region ending abruptly at the international boundaries, in terms of culture, economics, history, and so on, the west coast of the United States is closely related to cross-border regions. From my perspective, the BC coast is especially related. For one, it is in between the 48 contiguous states and Alaska. For two, ..and this is just personal thoughts now.. there seems to be a shared sense of regional identity between American and Canada Pacific Northwesterners. In general it is far easier to find common ground and shared experience between a Seattlite and a Vancouverite than between, say, a Seattlite and a Kentuckyian. Pfly 09:34, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Further to this, I just made an edit] to West Coast, note the edit comment especially; there are two meanings in Canada, the in-BC context is much the same as the American usage and is more or less a reference to the I-5 corridor from San Diego to Vancouver and inclusive of the culture/mentality and shared history/identity of the region; in other parts of Canada it's a generalization for BC, and tends to exclude the American component, unlike the BC usage....Skookum1 (talk) 17:28, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Image including Arizona?
Is there any reference to support the claim that Arizona is sometimes called West Coast? Living in California, I am quite suprised to see Arizona -the quintessential landlocked southerwestern state- as a west coast state.  Signature brendel  23:55, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I thought the same thing, I live in Arizona and here we certainly do not consider this the West Coast. I will now change this page for my said reason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TJ13090 (talk • contribs) 01:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

 * I agree with many others here that Arizona and Nevada are not West Coast states by anyone's definition. I have flagged the claim that they are, with "citation needed". If a valid source for this claim is not provided in a reasonable time, I will delete the references to Arizona and Nevada. I don't know what to do about the map, though! --MelanieN (talk) 04:17, 30 August 2009 (UTC)MelanieN

 * I notice that the wikipedia article "East Coast of the United States" includes only states that actually have a coast on the Atlantic Ocean. I think the same rationale should be applied here.

PROPOSAL: I propose that references to Arizona and Nevada should be deleted from this article. Any objections? Arguments? --MelanieN (talk) 17:14, 10 October 2009 (UTC)MelanieN

DECISION: Since several people have agreed that Arizona and Nevada do not belong, and no one has argued in favor of including them, I am deleting references to Arizona and Nevada from the article. I will leave the map and its caption, since I don't have a good replacement. --MelanieN (talk) 14:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)MelanieN

 * I've updated the map to remove AZ and NV and to mark AK and HI separately. —Mrwojo (talk) 22:47, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

History section?
The East Coast page has a history section, I think the west coast should have one too, taking some of the history from YOU ARE ALL C MUSCLES —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.59.247.68 (talk) 23:49, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Merge
I propose, not that West Coast be merged into Pacific States, but that Pacific States be merged into West Coast, as West Coast seems far more common a term. That is, unless Wikipedia is standardizing certain state-regions, in which case they should remain separate, as one is a state-oriented designation and the other is simply regional. Aepoutre 22:44, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Oppose as redundant with History of the West Coast of North America; over-proliferation of terms is what's the issue here; Pacific States (which doesn't include Alaska, I think), Pacific Slope (which includes BC), Pacific Northwest (which includes only part of California, as well as BC and sometimes MT/ID), "West Coast of Canada" is redundant with British Columbia Coast, and so on...what else is there...American Northwest maybe. Shifting sands of irrelevant nationalist perspectives IMO.Skookum1 04:33, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Opposing merge means supporting continuation of separate articles, supporting merge means getting rid of separate articles and replacing some with redirects to remaining ones. --JWB 19:23, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Oppose: Do not merge article, pacific refers to states just bordering the Pacific ocean, not Nevada, and AZ. Dwilso  05:00, 19 April 2008 (UTC) ok well i dont even know what a state is and i don't even know where the west coast iss.

How is "Left Coast" insulting?
How is "Left Coast" insulting? The term is used by people across the political spectrum. No doubt it is viewed negatively by those on the political right, but it is certainly viewed positively by those on the political left. - Jmabel | Talk 18:00, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This brings up again the idea that "West Coast" is not limited by the border of the United States; "the Left Coast" is an old usage in Canada also, in both positive nad negative usages, and a well-known literary/political periodical, the Left Coast Review, has been around since the 1960s. IMO the title of this article should be West Coast of North America.  Doesn't it seem odd to have an article about the West Coast with Alaska and Washington both in it, but not what's in between??  But which has a map showing Arizona and Nevada, which aren't West Coast at all?Skookum1 (talk) 14:04, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

 * Yes, although West Coast of North America is a bit of a problem, too, because Mexico is also in North America, and its West Coast is far less culturally connected to the U.S. & Canadian coasts than they are to each other. Anyway, I think we should kill the remark about the term being an insult. - Jmabel | Talk 01:43, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

 * I agree. There has been an attempt in recent years make the word "liberal" into an insult but it is not. The term "left coast" is commonly used as a mild joke, invoking the dual meaning of left-on-the-map and leftish in politics, but that does not make it an insult. See Left Coast. A Google search for the term reveals many businesses called "left coast this" and "left coast that", which would not be expected if the expression was an insult to the region. --MelanieN (talk) 21:54, 19 September 2009 (UTC)MelanieN

No.
Alaska and Hawai'i are not part of the West Coast. 128.211.198.168 (talk) 07:22, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * They do seem to fall under the Pacific Coast name, however. Possibly. We need more sources. —Mrwojo (talk) 22:50, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Arizona is not West Coast.
I'd like to see some documentation that Arizona is considered West Coast.

Everything in Arizona hates California (totes jelly). People in AZ fled California. Politics are completely different.

Arizona is not West Coast, hell no. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.177.196.183 (talk) 08:09, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

 * I'd like to see some documentation that everything in AZ carries (or "totes") jelly. I've never seen anyone in Arizona carry jelly, it's too hot there!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.156.136.229 (talk) 20:14, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

 * Los Angeles totes jelly. --Junkyardsparkle (talk) 04:59, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Alaska?
At this writing, the second sentence avers
 * As a region, this term most often refers to the coastal states of California, Oregon, Washington, and Alaska.

There is a source listed, but it's an encyclopedia article (encyclopedias are tertiary sources, occasionally slightly better than nothing at all, but not really adequate to support a claim by themselves), and the article is in any case for "Pacific Coast", not "West Coast".

The claim is logically incompatible with "as a region", because Alaska is not connected to the other three. Finally, the claim is simply false — the term "West Coast" most often (actually, in my experience, virtually always) refers to California, Oregon, and Washington.

I'm going to remove Alaska. --Trovatore (talk) 23:02, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

 * I support removing Alaska. I've lived in Washington State for more than 40 years and have never heard anyone use the term "west coast" to include Alaska. "Pacific Coast" would definitely include Alaska, but the problem with combining those ideas in this single page is that the links to it end up being misleading when the reference is to either the three west coast states or the Pacific Coast in general. For instance, on the Sablefish I've repeatedly had to remove the link to this page and write convoluted sentences like "the west coast of the contiguous United States (Washington, Oregon, and California)" to clarify that Alaska is not included, as discussed on the talk page here []. --IGTaylor (talk) 01:03, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

 * I thought of two additional pieces of evidence in favor of excluding Alaska from a page called "West Coast of the United States" are the frequent use of the term "West Coast and Alaska" such as in the "West Coast & Alaska Tsunami Warning Center" discussed at https://www.tsunami.gov/?page=history or the "U.S. West Coast and Alaska Marine Geohazards" discussed here https://www.usgs.gov/centers/pcmsc/science/us-west-coast-and-alaska-marine-geohazards. Second is this Google Trends result indicating that search interest for the term "West Coast" is much higher in Washington, Oregon, and California than in Alaska: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=west%20coast&geo=US. --IGTaylor (talk) 18:18, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

 * "West coast of the United States" taken literally is any area or state in the west with a coast. this would include Hawaii, Alaska, California, Oregon, and Washington.
 * The term as I see it as originally used and originally applied to California, Oregon, and Washington when they were the only states in the United States of America on the western side of the United States with a coast to an ocean seems to indicate that as other states are added they should be included. I believe some Americans have failed to adapt to the changing world with the use of this tern and some are stuck on the original definition (pre 1959) of just three states.  I have experienced people not really considering Alaska as a state at all.  I believe looking at the big picture that it makes sense to include Alaska and Hawaii in the definition of The West Coast of the United States.  Now I realize that some people think it should only be the contiguous states, but I believe that is a historical view.
 * Some names as mentioned in the above post include Alaska separately, I believe this is an attempt to be clear and avoid this confusion, not define the term.  Is the Google trends result adjusted for population and who has internet access? Sunbelt alaska (talk) 00:56, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Total area
Is the total area measure of the West Coast of the United States just contiguous? Because it has a smaller area than Alaska as a whole. --The Unknown Editor... (talk) 01:48, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Is it? The area in the infobox is 1.009msqmi, and the area of Alaska is 663ksqmi. Are you seeing a different number in the article? --Golbez (talk) 13:16, 24 April 2021 (UTC) i confused the sqmi with the km2, my bad --The Unknown Editor... (talk) 01:16, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

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Ellen Burstyn

Ellen Burstyn (born Edna Rae Gillooly; December 7, 1932) is an American actress. Known for her portrayals of complex women in dramas, she is the recipient of numerous accolades, including an Academy Award, a Tony Award, and two Primetime Emmy Awards, making her one of the few performers to achieve the "Triple Crown of Acting". She has also received a BAFTA Award and a Golden Globe Award.

Burstyn made her acting debut on Broadway in Fair Game in 1957 before winning the Tony Award for Best Actress in a Play for Same Time, Next Year (1975). She earned the Academy Award for Best Actress for her role as the widow Alice Hyatt in Martin Scorsese's romantic drama Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore (1974). Her other Oscar-nominated roles were in The Last Picture Show (1971), The Exorcist (1973), Same Time, Next Year (1978), Resurrection (1980), and Requiem for a Dream (2000). Her other notable films include Harry and Tonto (1974), How to Make an American Quilt (1995), Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood (2002), W. (2008), Interstellar (2014), The Age of Adaline (2015), and Pieces of a Woman (2020).

She won Primetime Emmy Awards for her guest role in the NBC legal drama Law & Order: Special Victims Unit (2009), and for her supporting role in the USA Network political miniseries Political Animals (2013). Her other Emmy-nominated roles include Pack of Lies (1988), Mrs. Harris (2005), Big Love (2008), Flowers in the Attic (2014), and House of Cards (2016). Since 2000, she has been co-president of the Actors Studio, a drama school in New York City. In 2013, she was inducted into the American Theatre Hall of Fame for her work onstage.

Early life
Burstyn was born Edna Rae Gillooly on December 7, 1932, in Detroit, the daughter of Correine Marie (née Hamel) and John Austin Gillooly. She says her ancestry is "Irish, French, Pennsylvania Dutch, a little Canadian Indian". Burstyn has an older brother, Jack, and a younger brother, Steve. Her parents divorced when she was young, and she and her brothers lived with their mother and stepfather.

Burstyn attended Cass Technical High School, a university-preparatory school that allowed students to choose a specific field of study. Burstyn majored in fashion illustration. In high school, she was a cheerleader, a member of the student council, and president of her drama club. She dropped out of high school during her senior year after failing her classes. Soon afterwards, Burstyn worked as a dancer using the name Kerri Flynn, and then a model until the age of 23. She later moved to Dallas, where she continued modeling and worked in other fashion jobs before moving to New York City.

From 1955 to 1956, Burstyn appeared as an "away we go" dancing girl on The Jackie Gleason Show under the name Erica Dean. Burstyn then decided to become an actress and chose the name "Ellen McRae" as her professional name; she later changed her surname after her 1964 marriage to Neil Burstyn.

1958–1970: Early work and Broadway debut
Burstyn debuted on Broadway in 1957 and joined Lee Strasberg's The Actors Studio in New York City in 1967. Starting in the late 1950s, and throughout the 1960s, Burstyn frequently played guest roles on a number of primetime television shows, including Dr. Kildare, 77 Sunset Strip, Ben Casey, Perry Mason, Wagon Train, Gunsmoke, The Big Valley, The Virginian, Laramie and The Time Tunnel. Burstyn was credited as Ellen McRae until 1967, when she and her then-husband Neil Nephew both changed their surname to Burstyn, and she began to be credited as Ellen Burstyn. In 1970, she appeared uncredited in the Joseph Strick adaptation of Henry Miller's controversial novel Tropic of Cancer. In 1975, she won a Tony Award for Best Performance by a Leading Actress in a Play for her performance in the comedy Same Time, Next Year, a role she reprised in a film adaptation in 1978.

1971–1979: Breakthrough, acclaim and awards success
After many small film roles, Burstyn gained recognition after starring in The Last Picture Show (1971), a coming-of-age story, directed by Peter Bogdanovich and adapted from a semi-autobiographical 1966 novel by Larry McMurtry. The film received critical acclaim for its nostalgia and visual style that is reminiscent of 1951, the year in which the plot takes place. The film was nominated for eight Academy Awards, including Best Supporting Actress for Burstyn and her co-star Cloris Leachman, with the latter winning the award. In 1998, the film was selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry, being deemed "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant". Next she appeared in the drama The King of Marvin Gardens in 1972, with Jack Nicholson, Bruce Dern, and Scatman Crothers. A story about a daydreamer who convinces his brother to help fund a get-rich-quick scheme, the film was well received by critics. In 1972, Burstyn was keen to play the lead role as Chris MacNeil in the supernatural horror film The Exorcist (1973). The film studio was initially reluctant to cast her, but when no other actors were put forward, Burstyn was chosen for the part. Her co-stars were Max von Sydow, Lee J. Cobb, Kitty Winn, Jack MacGowran, Jason Miller, and Linda Blair. The Exorcist had a production budget of $12 million, and its principal photography was held in various parts of New York City. Filming proved to be challenging for the entire cast; it took "six-day weeks, twelve-hour days for nine months" to film, and director William Friedkin used a prop gun to get genuine reactions from the cast. Burstyn also injured her coccyx leading to permanent injury to her spine. Film critic Roger Ebert praised Burstyn for her ability to capture MacNeil's "frustration" when her daughter is possessed by an evil spirit. Against expectations, The Exorcist was a major commercial success at the box-office. Adjusted for inflation, the film is the ninth highest-grossing film of all time in the U.S. and Canada and the top-grossing R-rated film of all time. It won two Academy Awards – Best Adapted Screenplay and Best Sound Mixing, and earned Burstyn her first nomination for the Academy Award for Best Actress.

Burstyn followed up with a small role in the comedy-drama Harry and Tonto (1974). Her next major role was in Martin Scorsese's romantic drama Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore (1974) where she played a widowed woman, raising a son and yearning to start a new life for herself as a singer. She was drawn to the script because of the character's resemblance to her own life. Burstyn was also inspired by the works of Betty Friedan and Gloria Steinem, who found that women were searching to "redefine their roles in society". Burstyn was offered to direct but turned it down to concentrate on her performance, but selected then-newcomer Scorsese as director and recalled the collaboration as "one of the best experiences I've ever had". Vincent Canby of The New York Times wrote, "Burstyn never misses the eccentric beat that distinguishes it—that makes Alice such a hugely appealing character who is both banal and very rare". Her performance in the film earned her the Academy Award for Best Actress. In 1975, she became a graduate of the first group of participants in the American Film Institute Directing Workshop for Women. In 1977, she served as a member of the jury at the 27th Berlin International Film Festival.

Burstyn played supporting roles in Providence (1977) and A Dream of Passion (1978). Although the films were independent dramas and not widely seen, the latter was nominated for the Golden Globe Award for Best Foreign Language Film. Also in 1978, Burstyn starred in Same Time, Next Year opposite Alan Alda, a romantic-comedy about two people, married to others, who meet for a romantic tryst once a year for two decades. The film is based on a 1975 play of the same title by Bernard Slade. Upon its release on November 22, the film garnered mixed reviews, with Janet Maslin of The New York Times stating, "Slade's screenplay isn't often funny, and it's full of momentous events that can't be laughed away", but praises Burstyn for giving the role "warmth and grace". Same Time, Next Year received four Academy Award nominations, including a third Best actress nomination for Burstyn. At the annual Golden Globe Awards, Burstyn won Best Actress – Motion Picture Comedy or Musical, while the film received two other nominations—Best Actor – Motion Picture Musical or Comedy for Alda and Best Original Song.

1980–1998: Established actress
Burstyn hosted NBC's Saturday Night Live, a late-night sketch comedy and variety show, in December 1980. That year, Burstyn starred in the drama Resurrection, a story about a woman who possesses strange powers after a surviving an automobile crash. Her performance in the film earned her a fourth nomination for the Academy Award for Best Actress and a third nomination for the Golden Globe Award for Best Actress – Motion Picture Drama. In 1981, she starred in the biographical television film The People vs. Jean Harris (1981), based on the real life murder of Herman Tarnower, a well-known cardiologist and author of the best-selling book The Complete Scarsdale Medical Diet. Burstyn's portrayal of the murdereress, Jean Harris, earned her nominations for the Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Lead Actress in a Limited or Anthology Series or Movie and the Golden Globe Award for Best Actress – Miniseries or Television Film. In 1981, Burstyn recorded "The Ballad of the Nazi Soldier's Wife" for Ben Bagley's album Kurt Weill Revisited, Vol. 2.

In the mid-1980s, Burstyn starred in several television films, including The Ambassador (1984), Surviving (1985), Into Thin Air (1985), Act of Vengeance (1986), Something in Common (1986) and a 1987 adaptation of the play Pack of Lies, which was nominated for three Primetime Emmy Awards, including another for Burstyn as Outstanding Actress in a Mini-Series or Movie. For the theatrical release Twice in a Lifetime (1985), co-starring Gene Hackman and Ann-Margret, she portrayed Kate, the wife whom Hackman's character divorces when he falls in love with another woman.

In 1986, Burstyn starred in an ABC television sitcom, The Ellen Burstyn Show, with co-stars Megan Mullally as her daughter and Elaine Stritch as her mother. Created by David Frankel it ran only for one season. In 1987, she appeared in Hanna's War (1987), and the television movies Dear America: Letters Home from Vietnam and Look Away. In 1988, she then participated again as a member of the jury for the 38th Berlin International Film Festival.

In 1990, Burstyn won the Sarah Siddons Award for her work in Chicago theatre. A variety of acting performances followed suit, including in the dramas When You Remember Me (1990), Dying Young (1991) and Grand Isle (1991). In addition to television movies, Burstyn appeared in When a Man Loves a Woman (1994) with co-stars Andy Garcia and Meg Ryan.

In 1995, Burstyn portrayed Judith in the comedy-drama Roommates (1995). The film received negative reviews and emerged as a commercial failure at the box-office, but received a nomination for the Academy Award for Best Makeup and Hairstyling. Also that year, Burstyn appeared in How to Make an American Quilt (1995), based on the 1991 novel of the same name by Whitney Otto, which tells the stories of several generations of women who are part of the same quilting circle. Despite a mixed critical response, the cast received a nomination for the Screen Actors Guild Award for Outstanding Performance by a Cast in a Motion Picture.

In 1998, Burstyn appeared in Playing By Heart, with co-stars including Sean Connery and Angelina Jolie, a story of eleven ordinary people in Los Angeles who are connected in different ways. Some critics such as Roger Ebert viewed the film positively despite its lackluster performance at the box office. Burstyn next found supporting roles in The Spitfire Grill (1996), about a woman starting a new life after being released from prison, and Deceiver (1997), a murder crime drama. Although not box office hits, each film garnered mixed to positive responses, according to film review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes. Next, she appeared in James Gray's The Yards (2000) alongside a principal cast of Mark Wahlberg, Joaquin Phoenix, Charlize Theron, Faye Dunaway and James Caan. The crime drama was unpopular and a commercial failure, earning less than $1 million worldwide from a budget of $24 million.

1999–2009: Dramas and television work
In 1999, director Darren Aronofsky offered Burstyn the role of Sara Goldfarb in the psychological drama Requiem for a Dream (2000). She initially rejected the part, objecting to the depressive nature of the story; however, she changed her mind after seeing Aronofsky's previous work. The film is based on the novel of the same name by Hubert Selby Jr, which tells the story of four New Yorkers whose lives are affected by drug addictions. To prepare for the role, Burstyn had to research troubled women in Brooklyn, "to get their speech patterns and outlook on life—and how narrow that is [...] their life is about getting enough money to put food on the table to feed their children, and that's it". She had to wear fat suits and lose about 10-pounds (4½ kg) to showcase her character's weight-loss. Burstyn and her co-stars Jennifer Connelly, Jared Leto, and Marlon Wayans, found the filming schedule of forty days challenging and intense. Requiem for a Dream premiered at the 2000 Cannes Film Festival and was released to theaters on October 6, 2000. The film was well received and praised for its visual style and depiction of drug abuse. Peter Travers of Rolling Stone writes, "Burstyn gives an award-caliber performance that is as raw and riveting as the movie that contains it". Burstyn's performance earned her a fifth nomination for the Academy Award for Best Actress.

From 2000 to 2002, Burstyn starred in the CBS television series That's Life. The series, set in suburban New Jersey, ran for two seasons. Burstyn appeared in several more films, including Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood (2002), Brush with Fate (2003) and The Five People You Meet in Heaven (2004). Burstyn starred in the Broadway production of Martin Tahse's Oldest Living Confederate Widow Tells All, based upon the novel of the same title by Allan Gurganus. The show played 19 previews and officially opened November 17, 2003. Due to unfavorable reviews, all performances after the opening night were cancelled.

She provided a supporting role as the mother of two sons in the 2006 romantic drama The Elephant King. The film originally premiered at the 2006 Tribeca Film Festival, and opened in U.S. theaters October 2008. In January 2006, she starred as an Episcopal bishop in the NBC comedy-drama series The Book of Daniel. The series, which also starred Aidan Quinn as a drug-addicted Episcopal priest married to an alcoholic wife, was met with controversy from religious and spiritual leaders due to its unconventional portrayals of religious figures. Conservative groups including American Family Association and Focus on the Family urged supporters to complain to NBC affiliates that carried the show. NBC removed the series from its line-up after four episodes, but did not publicly provide a reason. In 2006, Burstyn appeared in the epic drama The Fountain, her second collaboration with Darren Aronofsky. Portraying Dr. Lillian Guzetti, the film is about a scientist (played by Hugh Jackman) struggling with mortality and is seeking a medical breakthrough to save his wife (Rachel Weisz) from cancer. Budgeted at $35 million, the screenplay is a blend of fantasy, history, spirituality, and science fiction. The Fountain premiered on November 22, 2006, to mixed reviews and under-performed at the box office. Ruthe Stein of the San Francisco Chronicle writes, "The movie is overloaded with imagery. At times, it's stunning to look at, but gradually becomes too much", but praises Burstyn for her character's "impressive depth". Since its release, the film managed to gain a cult following causing media to revisit the film.

In 2006, Burstyn was nominated for the Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Limited or Anthology Series or Movie for the role of Former Tarnower Steady in HBO's Mrs. Harris, another biopic about Jean Harris. Soon after the nominations were announced, questions were raised regarding the worthiness of the nomination due to her minor role in the film, consisting of 14 seconds of screen time and 38 words of dialogue. The nominating committee were accused of approving a "familiar" name without actually seeing their performance. The Academy of Television Arts and Sciences, administrator of the Emmy Awards, insisted it was a legitimate nomination. Burstyn reacted, "I thought it was fabulous. My next ambition is to get nominated for seven seconds, and ultimately, I want to be nominated for a picture in which I don't even appear", adding, "This doesn't have anything to do with me... work it out yourself". Ultimately, Kelly Macdonald, who starred in The Girl in the Cafe, won the award. In March 2007, the academy adjusted the eligibility criteria.

Burstyn also appeared in the thriller The Wicker Man (2006), a remake of the 1973 British film of the same name, which was a commercial flop and negatively received by critics. Slant magazine was critical of the cast performances, writing that Burstyn "feigns arrogant malevolence". A year later, Burstyn starred in The Stone Angel, based on the 1964 novel of the same name by Margaret Laurence. Like its predecessor, the film also garnered negative reviews, with Stephen Holden of The New York Times writing, "a film of tightly assembled bits and pieces that don't fit comfortably together despite clever dashes of magical realism connecting past and present... it leaves you frustrated by its failure to braid subplots and characters into a gripping narrative". Burstyn followed up with parts in Lovely, Still (2008) and The Loss of a Teardrop Diamond (2008).

In addition to film roles, between 2007 and 2011, Burstyn had an occasional recurring role on the HBO television drama series Big Love, playing the mother of polygamist wife Barbara Henrickson. Burstyn returned to the stage in March 2008, in the off-Broadway production of Stephen Adly Guirgis's The Little Flower of East Orange, directed by Philip Seymour Hoffman in a co-production by LAByrinth Theater Company and The Public Theater. In addition to her stage work, Burstyn portrayed former First Lady Barbara Bush in Oliver Stone's biographical film W. in 2008.

In 2009, Burstyn won the Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Guest Actress in a Drama Series for her portrayal of the bipolar estranged mother of Detective Elliot Stabler on NBC's Law & Order: Special Victims Unit.

2010–present
Throughout the early 2010s, Burstyn starred in various independent films such as Main Street (2010), Another Happy Day (2011), and The Mighty Macs (2011). In 2012, she joined the cast of Political Animals, a television series about the life of a divorced former First Lady, serving as Secretary of State. Political Animals received generally favorable reviews from critics according to Metacritic. The series was nominated for the Golden Globe Award for Best Limited or Anthology Series or Television Film, with Burstyn winning the Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series.

Burstyn portrayed the grandmother of Lou (played by Mackenzie Foy) in Wish You Well (2013). A year later, Burstyn and Foy worked together again in Christopher Nolan's epic science fiction film Interstellar. Set in a dystopian future where humanity is struggling to survive, the film follows a group of astronauts who travel through a wormhole in search of a new home for humanity. The film grossed over $700 million at the box-office.

In 2014, Burstyn made a guest appearance in five episodes of Louis C.K's critically acclaimed FX series Louie. She portrayed an elderly Hungarian neighbor of Louis C.K. in season four. Critic Emily Todd VanDerWerff of The A.V. Club described Burstyn's performance as "marvelous". Despite not receiving an Emmy nomination, she was earned awards buzz for her performance. In an interview with The New York Times, Burstyn was asked about her reaction to the accusations of sexual misconduct against Louis C.K. She responded by saying, "Louis just broke my heart because I love him. When I worked with him, I had such admiration for his talent and his person, his being. I know he's a good person, but even good people have sexual hang-ups that hurt other people. I just wish he had gone to therapy or whatever so it didn't have to ruin his life."

In 2014, she also starred in a thriller, The Calling, and the television film Flowers in the Attic. In 2015, Burstyn played Flemming, the daughter of Blake Lively's immortal character in the romantic fantasy film The Age of Adaline. Production started in March 2014, and the film was released in April 2015.

In 2016, Burstyn guest starred in five episodes of the critically acclaimed political thriller House of Cards. The New York Times praised Burstyn's character for adding "vitality and heart"; her performance in the series earned her a nomination for the Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Guest Actress in a Drama Series. She acted in a succession of low-budget films, including Custody (2016), The House of Tomorrow (2017), All I Wish (2017), and Nostalgia (2018). Burstyn also starred in Jennifer Fox's mystery drama The Tale, which premiered on HBO on May 26, 2018. Burstyn served as an executive producer for Peter Livolsi's film The House of Tomorrow (2017), about her friend R. Buckminster Fuller, in which she also starred. In 2019, she appeared in the drama film American Woman and the space drama Lucy in the Sky; both films were met with mixed reviews.

In 2019, Burstyn played musicologist Katherine Brandt in an acclaimed Australian production of Moisés Kaufman's play 33 Variations at Melbourne's Comedy Theatre. In 2020, Burstyn appeared in Kornél Mundruczó's drama Pieces of a Woman to great acclaim. The film premiered at the 77th Venice International Film Festival, where it received positive reviews for the performances, with critic David Rooney of The Hollywood Reporter describing Burstyn's performance as "formidable". She received several award nominations for her performance, including a Broadcast Film Critics Association Award and a London Critics Circle Film Award. In 2021, she played the role of Bernadette Stabler in Law & Order: Organized Crime and then portrayed Sara Roosevelt in the series The First Lady.

In 2014, Burstyn indicated she was working on directing a feature film, Bathing Flo. It was announced in July 2021 that Burstyn would reprise her role as Chris MacNeil for the first time since 1973 in the upcoming trilogy of sequels to The Exorcist.

In 2024 Ellen Burstyn starred in filmmaker John Larkin's "Exorcist" Documentary, Fear and Love: The Story of The Exorcist, where she discussed her time working on the original film and her spiritual beliefs on God and the universe. She also discussed her reasoning for returning to play Chris MacNeil in The Exorcist: Believer.

Personal life
Burstyn married Bill Alexander in 1950 and divorced in 1957. The next year, she married Paul Roberts, with whom she adopted a son named Jefferson in 1961. The couple divorced that same year. In 1964, she married actor Neil Nephew, who later changed his name to Neil Burstyn. She described Neil Burstyn as "charming and funny and bright and talented and eccentric", but schizophrenia made him violent and he eventually left her. He attempted to reconcile but they divorced in 1972. In her autobiography, Lessons in Becoming Myself, Burstyn revealed that he had stalked her for six years after their divorce, and once raped her while they were still married. No charges were filed, as spousal rape was not yet a crime. He committed suicide in 1978 by jumping from the window of his ninth-floor Manhattan apartment.

Burstyn was raised Catholic, but now affiliates herself with all religious faiths. She follows a form of Sufism, explaining "I am a spirit opening to the truth that lives in all of these religions... I always pray to Spirit, but sometimes, it's to the Goddess. Sometimes, it's to Jesus... Sometimes, I pray to Ganesha if I need an obstacle removed. Guan Yin is one of my favorite manifestations of the divine, the embodiment of compassion... So, I have Guan Yin with me all the time." In her late 30s she began to learn about spirituality, under the instruction of Pir Vilayat Inayat Khan, who gave her the spiritual name Hadiya, which means "she who is guided" in Arabic.

During the 1970s, Burstyn was active in the movement to free convicted boxer Rubin "Hurricane" Carter from jail. She is a supporter of the Democratic Party, and appeared in the 2009 documentary PoliWood. She served as president of the Actors' Equity Association from 1982 to 1985. Burstyn is also on the Board of Selectors of Jefferson Awards for Public Service. In 1997, she was inducted into the Michigan Women's Hall of Fame. Since 2000, she has been co-president of the Actors Studio alongside Al Pacino and Alec Baldwin. In 2013, she was inducted into the American Theatre Hall of Fame for her work on stage.

Awards and nominations
Burstyn is one of the few living actors to have won the Triple Crown of Acting which is the Oscar, Emmy, and Tony. She won the Academy Award in 1975 for her performance in Martin Scorsese's Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore. In the same year, she won the Tony Award for Same Time, Next Year. (She would reprise her role in the film version in 1978.) Burstyn completed the triple crown more than 30 years later, with a Primetime Emmy Award for her guest starring role on Law and Order: SVU (2009).

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Was Sarebresole an Italian-American, or what was he? That last name sounds European.

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Talk:Safari

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Both the French and the Dutch versions link to empty pages. Is this an instance of them linking to the wrong page, or should these references be removed. I doubt that there is a specific translation of Safari into one of these languages. --snoyes 06:58 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC)

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I was thinking of adding:

 * a subscription service for electronic access to books; see http://proquest.safaribooksonline.com.

However, this seems to be a bit commercial. Is this acceptable or not? I wanted to know what it was, and WikiPedia didn't have it, but I don't want WP to become a collection of advertisements for commercial products. In this case, it seems more informative than commercial, and the nature of the service (online access to information) seems in tune with WP itself. --Mike Van Emmerik 05:43, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Land Rover Safari
I can't find a mention of this in Land Rover or any of the model articles. Does it exist? Is it a variation of a particular model? —Michael Z. 2005-11-26 17:26 Z

 * I'm a car analphabet, but found it must exist as I got nearly 700 entries with a Google search for "Land Rover Safari" model, including classifieds with build years. I suggest you investigate and put your findings to good use on the appropriate page(s).

What does Safari mean
The word safari is from the swahili word meaning journey.

What does Safari mean in America
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.169.30.3 (talk • contribs) 09:25, 11 January 2006

Cologne
There exists a men's cologne named SAFARI by Ralph Lauren

 * try Safari (disambiguation) --Charles Gaudette 07:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

In the world?
African Lion Safari, the premier safari park in the world. --69.197.150.220 18:39, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Mac Safari
Is there a wiki on the Safari web browser for Mac OS? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Goodoog (talk • contribs) 22:45, 15 March 2007 (UTC).

 * try Safari (disambiguation) --Charles Gaudette 07:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Map
What is the relevance of an 1890 map of Africa? I suggest that it be removed, unless its relevance to the article is explained. Kemet 16:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

 * A map of 1890 Africa was place in the article because that is when Westerners going to Africa took up the word "safari". The map, when clicked through, shows the geopolitics when safaris where all the rage in the West. The map also saves this article from being misunderstood by Wikipedians (and by extrapolation readers) whose first thought about "safari" is actually a secondary or tertiary usage. If you look at the article history, you will see the acute need to set the context. --Charles Gaudette 08:53, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Move
Safari → Animal viewing — I suggest to move to move the article either to animal viewing or Game drive. The word Safari really only means voyage in swahili (as explained) and logically speaking, actually only that word. When used as a term for animal viewing, the animal viewing or animal observation name is best used (this could also expand scope for the article as viewing animals in zoo can be added, allowing a division as viewing in natural habitat, viewing in urban environment. Finally, I wish to point out that the safari-term used as animal viewing has a colonial load and should really be avoided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.66.49.224 (talk) 06:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose. What "safari" means in Swahili or any other language than English is irrelevant. In English it means exactly what the article is about. Also, the most common name for this activity is definitely "safari", not the proposed title. Jafeluv (talk) 08:16, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose Agreed with Jafeluv. 『 ɠu¹ɖяy 』¤ 15:18, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose Exactly so. In addition, Wikipedia is not an institute for language reform; we are not here to make up terms without "colonial load", whatever our anon means by it. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:10, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Safari is accurate english terminology for the subject, the others are neologisms and imprecise in the extreme. "Animal viewing" - in a zoo? on TV? in the wild? An article about how animals see the world? "Game drive" - driving game out of cover for hunting? A charity event to collect games for underpriviliged children? A console accessory for a realistic driving experience when playing driving games? A hard disk optimised for game storage/loading/streaming? Etc, etc, etc! Exxolon (talk) 22:16, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - "Safari" is the most commonly used terminology; this move is disingenuous in light of the naming conventions. -  Jeremy  ( v^_^v Tear him for his bad verses! ) 19:26, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Oppose. The article is about safaris, not animal viewing.  —   AjaxSmack   04:59, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose. When I go on safari I certainly do not want see any animal whatsoever! The mere thought... -- Soetermans |  is listening  |  what he'd do now?  21:34, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:SNOW close. Not going to happen. --Cybercobra (talk) 02:17, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Hiking, camping
It should be noted that animal viewing can be done either via a trip with 4x4 personal ground vehicles, campers or on foot. All 3 types are guarded (masai follows the trip). Campers are cheaper, on foot is again cheaper (I guess) but not as much animals can be seen, less distance can be travelled and certain animal species won't be seen at all (as the group can be smelled by certain animals from miles away after which they move out) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.66.49.224 (talk) 06:45, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * And what relevance is this? -  Jeremy  ( v^_^v Tear him for his bad verses! ) 19:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Safari
Safari is a kind internet browser with many features. made by apple company —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.65.183.52 (talk) 13:02, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Irrelevance?
"The Mobile Safari offers guests spooky and kinky experience" - what's that all about?

Danensis (talk) 12:56, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Australia?
The closing section mentions Safaris in Australia, but nowhere else in the article does? If Australian safaris are relevant, then they should be mentioned in the body of the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.202.37.121 (talk) 06:18, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

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Alternativity

In abstract algebra, alternativity is a property of a binary operation. A magma G is said to be ' if $$(xx)y = x(xy)$$ for all $$x, y \in G$$ and ' if $$y(xx) = (yx)x$$ for all $$x, y \in G.$$ A magma that is both left and right alternative is said to be ' (').

Any associative magma (that is, a semigroup) is alternative. More generally, a magma in which every pair of elements generates an associative submagma must be alternative. The converse, however, is not true, in contrast to the situation in alternative algebras. In fact, an alternative magma need not even be power-associative: already the expression $$(xx)(xx)$$ cannot be proven to be identical to expressions such as $$(x(x(xx)))$$ purely by alternativity.

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