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A-ha

A-ha (often stylised as a-ha; ) is a Norwegian synth-pop band formed in Oslo in 1982. Founded by Paul Waaktaar-Savoy (guitars and vocals), Magne Furuholmen (keyboards, guitars and vocals), and Morten Harket (lead vocals), the band rose to fame during the mid-1980s.

A-ha achieved their biggest success with their debut album Hunting High and Low in 1985. The album peaked at number one in their native Norway, number two in the UK, and number 15 on the US Billboard album chart; yielded the international number-one single "Take On Me", as well as "The Sun Always Shines on T.V."; and earned the band a Grammy Award nomination for Best New Artist. In the UK, Hunting High and Low continued its chart success into the following year, becoming one of the best-selling albums of 1986. The band released studio albums in 1986, 1988, and 1990, with single hits including "Hunting High and Low", "The Living Daylights", "Stay on These Roads", and "Crying in the Rain". In 1994, after their fifth studio album, Memorial Beach (1993), failed to achieve the commercial success of their previous albums, the band went on hiatus.

Following a performance at the Nobel Peace Prize Concert in 1998, A-ha recorded their sixth album, 2000's Minor Earth Major Sky, which was another number-one album in Norway and Germany. This album was followed by Lifelines (2002); Analogue (2005), which was certified Silver in the UK; and Foot of the Mountain (2009), which was certified Silver in the UK and reached the top five in many European countries.

The band split after their 2010 worldwide Ending on a High Note Tour, but reunited in 2015 to release their tenth studio album, Cast in Steel. They toured in support of the album and participated at Rock in Rio, which celebrated 30 years for both the band and the event.

The band has released eleven studio albums, several compilations and four live albums, with their most recent album, True North, released on 21 October 2022. In less than a year, during 2010, the band earned an estimated 500 million Norwegian kroner from concert tickets, merchandise and the release of a greatest hits album, making them one of the 40–50 highest-grossing bands in the world. The band were listed in the Guinness World Records book for having the biggest-paying rock concert attendance; they drew an audience of 198,000 at Maracanã Stadium during the Rock in Rio festival. They have sold more than 100 million units, albums and singles combined.

Formation
The trio, composed of lead vocalist Morten Harket; guitarist Paul Waaktaar (then known as Pål Waaktaar); and keyboardist Magne Furuholmen, formed in 1982, and left Norway for London in order to make a career in music. "We were trying to think of what to call themselves, focusing on Norwegian words people could say in English." They jettisoned that idea when Morten spotted a song called "A-ha" in Waaktaar's songbook. "It was a terrible song but a great name," said Morten. They chose the studio of musician, producer, and soon-to-be-manager John Ratcliff because it had a Space Invaders machine. Ratcliff introduced them to his manager, Terry Slater, and after a few meetings, A-ha enlisted Ratcliff as a manager as well. Slater and Ratcliff formed TJ Management. Ratcliff dealt with technical and musical aspects and Slater acted as the group's international business manager and as liaison to Warner Bros.' head office in Los Angeles.

Hunting High and Low (1984–1986)
An early version of "Take On Me" was the first song that Harket had heard Furuholmen and Waaktaar play in Asker. At that time, the song was called "Miss Eerie" and the two men were still known as Bridges. Harket said it sounded more like a "Juicy Fruit song" (meaning a gum advertisement). A-ha's first recorded version was called "Lesson One". The song was then re-recorded, re-named "Take on Me", and released in 1984, when it was promoted with a video of the band performing in front of a blue background. After it failed to chart, the song was re-recorded with production by Alan Tarney; it again failed to chart. Finally, the song was re-released in 1985 with a new, groundbreaking video; this time, the song peaked at number one on the US Billboard Hot 100 and at number two on the UK Singles Chart.

a-ha became the first Norwegian band to have a number-one hit in the U.S. The popularity of "Take on Me" earned the band a spot on the American television series Soul Train in 1985, making them one of the few white artists to appear on the black music-oriented show. (Earlier Soul Train appearances by white artists included Gino Vanelli, Elton John, David Bowie, Hall & Oates, Sheena Easton, Pet Shop Boys, Michael McDonald, and Teena Marie.)

The video used a pencil-sketch animation/live-action combination called rotoscoping, in which individual frames of film are drawn over or coloured. It became one of the most instantly recognizable and most enduringly popular music videos in the US, where it was nominated for eight awards at the third annual MTV Video Awards in 1986, winning six, including Best New Artist in a Video, Best Concept Video, Best Direction, Best Special Effects, Viewer's Choice and Best Video of the Year. Their six MTV Award wins for that video gave them twice as many wins as Michael Jackson's "Thriller" and more than any artist in the three years of the awards combined.

The band's second single worldwide was "The Sun Always Shines on T.V.", even though "Love Is Reason" was the second single in Norway. In the US, the song peaked at number 20 on the Billboard Hot 100 and reached number 17 on Radio & Records airplay chart. A remix version was a club hit, rising to number five on the Hot Dance Singles Sales chart. The music video for the song was another popular and critical success, nominated at the 1986 MTV Video Music Awards in three categories and winning two, Best Cinematography and Best Editing, bringing A-ha's total to 11 nominations and eight wins. The following year, Peter Gabriel would earn 13 nominations and win nine awards, also for two separate videos. In successive years, even as the award categories expanded, only a few artists have approached—and none have surpassed the single-year award totals of A-ha and Gabriel.

a-ha's American success culminated in their 1986 Grammy nomination in the Best New Artist category, which was eventually won by Sade. "The Sun Always Shines on T.V." turned out to be A-ha's last Hot 100 Top 40 single and to this day – in the United States – A-ha is remembered by the general public almost entirely because of "Take On Me". As such, the band is frequently considered a one-hit wonder there, despite their two Top 40 hits. In the UK, where "The Sun Always Shines on T.V." has been their only number one, A-ha enjoyed continued success with two more hit singles from the same album, "Train of Thought" and "Hunting High and Low" (with another innovative video), and remained popular throughout the 1980s and early 1990s.

The band's first album, 1985's Hunting High and Low, became a worldwide bestseller, spending most of October and November in the top 20 of Billboard's Top 200 album chart. The album and its four hit singles garnered international recognition for A-ha. Hunting High and Low earned triple platinum status in the UK and reached platinum status in the US and Germany, while earning gold in Brazil and the Netherlands. Hunting High and Low has sold 11 million copies worldwide. The album peaked at number 15 on the US on the Billboard 200 albums chart and at number two on the UK Albums Chart; it spent 38 weeks in the top 10 in Norway, including eight weeks at number one.

Golden age (1986–1994)
a-ha's second album, Scoundrel Days, was released in the midst of the 1986 world tour and represented a move towards alternative rock, as synthpop began to fall out of style. Although the album received favourable reviews and had three singles become international hits, sales (6.4 million copies) did not match those of its predecessor (except for in Switzerland, where it remains A-ha's best-selling album). "Cry Wolf" would be the last A-ha single to chart on the Billboard Hot 100. After the release of the album, A-ha toured in the US, its last appearance there for 20 years. The album has been certified platinum in the UK, Switzerland and Brazil, and has earned gold certification in Germany.

Ned Raggett of AllMusic Guide would later write of the album, "The opening two songs alone make for one of the best one-two opening punches around: the tense edge of the title track, featuring one of Morten Harket's soaring vocals during the chorus and a crisp, pristine punch in the music, and 'The Swing of Things,' a moody, elegant number with a beautiful synth/guitar arrangement (plus some fine drumming courtesy of studio pro Michael Sturgis) and utterly lovelorn lyrical sentiments that balance on the edge of being overheated without quite going over...The '80s may be long gone, but Scoundrel Days makes clear that not everything was bad back then."

In May 1988, A-ha released their third studio album, titled Stay on These Roads, which matched the number-two chart peak of its two predecessors on the British album charts. Stay on These Roads has been certified platinum in Brazil and France, and gold in Switzerland, Germany, the UK and the Netherlands.

The album includes the title-track theme song to the James Bond film The Living Daylights. The version that appears on their album is the original version of the song. The band has said that they are particularly proud of the title track, and all three members contributed to its writing. "Stay on These Roads" and "The Living Daylights" would remain part of their live set throughout the rest of the band's history. After the release of the album, the band went on a 74-city world tour. The album has sold more than 4.2 million copies worldwide. East of the Sun, West of the Moon contained a cover version of The Everly Brothers' 1963 single "Crying in the Rain". In the late 1980s and early 1990s, A-ha were very popular in South America, especially in Brazil, where the band sold out some of the largest stadiums in the world. At the January 1991 Rock in Rio II festival, A-ha shocked the international entertainment press by drawing an audience of 198,000 at Maracanã stadium for their top-billed evening concert—a Guinness World Record for biggest rock concert attendance. In contrast, the other performers (George Michael, Prince and Guns N' Roses) each drew less than a third of that audience (60,000 each). In a 2009 interview from Cody Eide in Music Week, celebrating A-ha's up-and-coming 25-year anniversary, the members revealed that the record-breaking concert and the lack of media attention they received were a devastating blow to the band. The festival, which should have been the band's crowning achievement, was instead a moment of crushing disappointment. "MTV interviewed everybody except us", remembers Waaktaar-Savoy. "They were all calling their bosses and saying, 'We must cover A-ha; it's the only night that has sold out.' But they weren't allowed to." "I felt very alienated," says Furuholmen. "It made us feel hopeless. We played to the biggest crowd in the world and they ignored it."

East of the Sun, West of the Moon was certified gold in Switzerland, Brazil, and Germany and silver in the UK. Steven McDonald of AllMusic said of their fourth album, "This is a nicely crafted collection of songs, performed and sung beautifully, with lots of echoes and suggestions tucked into the music. While not an album one can discuss at length, it's an album that's a pleasure to listen to." The album sold 3.2 million copies worldwide.

Their last album before their hiatus was Memorial Beach, in 1993. Relative to previous releases, the album was a commercial disappointment. The only single from the album to chart officially outside of Norway was "Dark Is the Night", which peaked at number 19 in the United Kingdom. Despite the commercial reception, Q magazine listed the album as one of the 50 best albums of 1993. The following February, A-ha performed two concerts during the 1994 Winter Olympics in Lillehammer, Norway, followed by tours in South Africa and Norway. A-ha were also chosen to compose the official song for the Winter Paralympic Games in Lillehammer, which they entitled "Shapes That Go Together".

In 1994, the band unofficially entered a hiatus, during which band members focused on solo projects.

First comeback (1998–2007)
The band was invited to perform at the Nobel Peace Prize Concert in 1998. Waaktaar-Savoy wrote "Summer Moved On" especially for this performance. They also performed "The Sun Always Shines on T.V." This performance was A-ha's comeback into the world of music, yet the band's set was controversially omitted from a programme of concert highlights that was televised in the UK, and even more controversially in the US by FOX. Nevertheless, the band returned to the studio. Those recording sessions resulted in 2000's Minor Earth Major Sky, an international tour, and a webcast performance of the band opening the new Vallhall Arena in Oslo on 24 and 25 March 2001. A-ha's video for "I Wish I Cared" was one of the first fully web-based animated Macromedia Flash music videos to be made available. (The first was Duran Duran's 2000 video for "Someone Else Not Me".) The album reached platinum status, with sales of 1.5 million copies, and spawned four singles: "Summer Moved On", "Minor Earth Major Sky", "Velvet" and "The Sun Never Shone That Day". "Summer Moved On" went to number one in 17 countries.

a-ha made a return appearance at the Nobel Peace Prize Concert in 2001, performing a new song, "Differences", and "Hunting High and Low". The subsequent album, Lifelines, was released in 2002, going platinum in Norway and producing two top-five hits there, "Forever Not Yours" and "Lifelines". Jesper Hiro directed the video for "Lifelines", based on the short film A Year Along the Abandoned Road, which was directed by Morten Skallerud in 1991. The original short film was 12 minutes long; it shows a whole year elapsing in one shot at 50,000 times the normal speed.

A live album from their 2002 tour, titled How Can I Sleep with Your Voice in My Head, was released in March 2003, preceded by a live single of the 1986 hit "The Sun Always Shines on T.V." In 2004, a book entitled The Swing of Things was published, which also included a CD of early demo material titled The Demo Tapes. That year, A-ha celebrated their 20th anniversary with the release of a new singles collection, The Definitive Singles Collection 1984–2004. This compilation brought them back into the top 20 of the UK Albums Chart, where they reached number 13 and earned a gold album.

On 2 July 2005, A-ha performed at the Berlin edition of Live 8 in front of an audience of nearly 200,000 people. They began with "Hunting High and Low", followed by "Take On Me", during which Morten Harket had difficulties hearing himself when his in-ear monitor failed: he requested a two-minute break, which he used to comment on the cause of Live 8. The intended two minutes became almost seven, and the third song, "Summer Moved On", became the last of their set. Although four songs had been rehearsed, the band's time had run out and the organisers told them to leave the stage.

On 12 September 2005, A-ha played a quickly sold-out show at Irving Plaza in New York City, the band's first concert in North America since 1986, despite not having released any material there since 1993. On 27 August 2005, the band played a concert for 120,000 people in Frogner Park in Oslo, the largest concert ever in Norway.

On 4 November 2005, the band released its eighth studio album, Analogue. The UK release of the single "Analogue" gave A-ha their first top-ten hit in the UK since 1988. The album includes a guest appearance by Graham Nash of Crosby Stills & Nash performing backup vocals on the songs "Over the Treetops" and "Cosy Prisons". The song "Celice" became the band's ninth to reach number one on a major national chart, and its music video sparked criticism for its sexual content. The tour for the album included a gig at London's Shepherd's Bush in February 2006, along with a TV special in Africa.

In 2006, A-ha recorded a cover of John Lennon's "No. 9 Dream" for Amnesty International. It was released in June 2007 on the album Make Some Noise. On 30 October 2006 in London, A-ha received the prestigious Q Magazine Inspiration Award for their long contribution to music and for inspiring many of their younger colleagues in the business. On 15 September 2007, A-ha played a free outdoor concert in Kiel, Germany, performing on a floating stage in the harbour. The concert was streamed live on the internet via MSN.

On 24 January 2009, 25 years after its first release and the 50th anniversary of the official hit list in Norway, A-ha won the Spellemannprisen (Spellemann Award) for Hit of All Time for "Take On Me".

New direction and farewell (2008–2010)
On 20–22 May 2008, Harket, Furuholmen and Waaktaar performed concerts in Oslo to promote their respective solo material before coming together as A-ha to play "Train of Thought", "Take On Me", and two new songs, "Riding the Crest" and "Shadowside", which previewed the new A-ha album, Foot of the Mountain. These events led up to their performance at London's Royal Albert Hall on 24 May.

On 24 April 2009, A-ha surprised their fan base by releasing their new single, "Foot of the Mountain", premiering that day on Norwegian radio. The single had been completed only the night before. The song is based upon the track "The Longest Night" by Furuholmen, which was released on his album A Dot of Black in the Blue of Your Bliss. The band promoted the German release of the song by playing it during the final of Germany's Next Topmodel on 21 May at Cologne's Lanxess Arena.

Foot of the Mountain, A-ha's ninth studio album, was released in Europe on 19 June 2009. The album's material marked a return to synth pop, similar to the band's earliest work, although the first single (and title track) was not wholly indicative of this. The band collaborated with successful producer Steve Osborne, who has produced albums for such artists as Suede, New Order, Starsailor, Doves, Elbow, and U2. "What There Is", an earlier solo track by Furuholmen, was re-recorded for the album. Foot of the Mountain entered the German album chart at number one, the UK album chart at number five and debuted on European Album Sales Chart at number eight. In January 2010, Foot of the Mountain was certified platinum in Germany.

"I feel more connected to Depeche Mode (compared with other acts of the '80s)," claimed Furuholmen. A-ha performed a cover of Depeche Mode's "A Question of Lust" during a live performance for BBC Radio 2 – The Dermot O'Leary Show on 25 July 2009.

On 24 July 2009, A-ha headlined the iTunes Live festival, the performance of which was made available for download on iTunes. In the Norwegian iTunes Store A-ha's release has yet to see the light of day.

On 15 October 2009, the band announced they would disband after the 2010 worldwide Ending on a High Note Tour. The concert sold out on the first day of ticket sales as thousands of fans from at least 40 countries on six continents congregated to see A-ha for the last leg of the tour. Due to the large demand, a second farewell show was held for 3 December 2010.

To coincide with their disbandment, A-ha released The Singles: 1984–2004 in the US and re-released deluxe versions of their first two albums, as well as a third and final compilation album, a new live DVD and a re-release of the book The Swing of Things by Jan Omdahl. A new single titled "Butterfly, Butterfly" was revealed on 14 June 2010 and released as a single on 5 July to promote the double CD compilation 25.

On 6 July 2010, the albums Hunting High and Low and Scoundrel Days were released as deluxe editions in the US through Rhino Records, containing remixes, B-sides, demo versions, and extensive liner notes. Available in two-disc CD and digital versions (with additional material), both albums debuted in the Top 40 Billboard Top Internet Sales Chart, Hunting High and Low at number 34 and Scoundrel Days at number 36.

Furuholmen revealed in an interview published in Magasinet (the magazine section of Norway's third largest newspaper, Dagbladet) that he suffers from atrial fibrillation. The news was picked up the same day by electronic music magazine Side-Line.

At the Spellemannprisen award show on 5 March 2011 in Oslo, Norwegian artists from various music genres including Kaizers Orchestra, Ida Maria and Bertine Zetlitz performed a cover of one of A-ha's biggest hits, "The Sun Always Shines on TV", in honour of the band. After the performance, A-ha received the Spellemannprisen honorary award with the words "Our Heroes – Once upon a time, now – still and forever".

a-ha's final concerts in Oslo were recorded by ten HD cameras with digital, surround sound audio. Ending on a High Note Live, mixed by Toby Alington, is available in several formats, including the band's first Blu-ray release. A single-disc live album comprised sixteen tracks, while the Blu-ray, DVD, and deluxe-edition double-CD set comprised twenty tracks. A bonus documentary appears in the deluxe set and Blu-ray versions. An NTSC version was released in the US and Japan.

On 1 April 2011, A-ha released the DVD as well as the box-set containing both the DVD and the CD of their last concert, Ending on a High Note – The Final Concert. The Blu-ray of the concert was released on 11 April 2011.

a-ha played at Oslo Spektrum on 21 August 2011, performing the song "Stay on These Roads" for a national memorial service dedicated to the victims of the 2011 Norway attacks.

Post-a-ha activities and anniversary releases (2011–2014)
After A-ha's break-up, Harket released two studio albums, Out of My Hands (2012) and Brother (2014).

Waaktaar released two songs. With New Jersey-based vocalist Jimmy Gnecco, he presented Weathervane as a new project in June 2011. Their self-titled single was included on the soundtrack for the movie Headhunters (based on the book Hodejegerne by Jo Nesbø). A second song, "Manmade Lake", had originally been planned for Foot of the Mountain but was released to Soundcloud in 2013.

In 2012, Furuholmen became a mentor on the show The Voice – Norges beste stemme. His mentee, Martin Halla, won the contest and had his first album produced by Furuholmen himself who is also an esteemed songwriter/producer for other artists. In 2014, Furuholmen agreed to compose the songs and supervise the recordings for the Norwegian film Beatles.

Second comeback (2015–2016)
During an A-ha fan convention in Oslo in October 2014, manager Harald Wilk announced plans to re-release A-ha's first five albums on vinyl and albums three through five as deluxe editions.

In 2015, the band reunited to perform in Rock in Rio. A-ha in fact reunited for a two-year period and was writing new material. A-ha's tenth studio album, Cast in Steel, was released on 4 September 2015. The album was promoted with a European tour from March through May 2016. In March, they played a live concert that was broadcast on BBC Red Button and BBC Radio 2 as part of its "In Concert" series.

a-ha also performed at the 2015 Nobel Peace Prize Concert in Oslo, Norway.

In Oslo Spektrum on 3 May 2016, A-ha collaborated with Void, a Norwegian computational computational design studio. The project resulted in a concert with advanced scenography using 360 virtual reality technology. The stereoscopic VR experience was made available for Android users directly through a YouTube app and for iPhone users and other platforms. The concept involved several motion detectors that reacted to the band's movements, voices and instruments. 3D cameras, 20,000 lines of code, 1,000 square meters of projection film and massive projectors were set up as a visual show that turned the Spektrum arena in Oslo into a light installation and visual experience that unfolded live for the audience instead of a pre-programmed sequence.

MTV Unplugged and Hunting High and Low tours (2017–2021)
An album and film from a series of acoustic performances, slated for June 2017, was scheduled for November 2017.

In mid-June 2017, they recorded an MTV Unplugged special in the remote Norwegian island of Giske under close secrecy, with no phones or recording equipment allowed in the studio. In October 2017, an acoustic album titled Summer Solstice was released. It and included two new songs, "This Is Our Home" and "A Break in the Clouds". The video for "This Is Our Home" was released in September 2017, followed by the Unplugged versions of "The Sun Always Shines on T.V", "The Living Daylights" and "Take On Me", the last of which received widespread acclaim for re-imagining the pop classic.

In early 2018, A-ha went on a European acoustic tour, which was first titled "An Acoustic Evening with A-ha" but then renamed "MTV Unplugged Tour 2018".

The acoustic version of "Take On Me" was included in the movie Deadpool 2, released in May 2018, and in episode 13, season 4 of the American TV series The Magicians.

On 29 October 2019, A-ha started their Hunting High and Low tour in Dublin, Ireland, in which they played the whole of their debut album, in addition to other songs. The tour, scheduled to run through 2020, was postponed due to the COVID-19 pandemic. Concerts were scheduled for many European countries, South Africa, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Peru, Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Mexico and the United States. On the tour, the band presented the new song "Digital River".

On 13 June 2021, the documentary a-ha: The Movie premiered at the Tribeca Film Festival in New York. The movie tells the story of the band and deals with both their success and the problems, such as personal rifts between members. Director Thomas Robsahm followed the band for four years. It was released in countries worldwide.

The acoustic studio version of "Take On Me" was included in the American TV sitcom The Goldbergs on episode 16, season 8.

Return of tour after the COVID-19 pandemic and True North (2022–present)
In March 2022, A-ha resumed the Hunting High and Low tour after postponements due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

A new film and an album, both called True North, were released on 21 October 2022 on the Sony Music/RCA Records label. The recording was completed in November 2021 with the Norwegian Arctic Philharmonic Orchestra in Bodø, Norway. It is a filmed live performance and will also include scenic clips from Norway's nature, set in landscapes of northern Norway. The album's lead single, "I'm In", was released on 8 July 2022.

a-ha performed two of the album's songs on their 2022 tour: "Forest for the Trees" and "You Have What It Takes". A demo of "I'm In" and "You Have What It Takes" was previously posted on social media by Magne.

The album's second single, "You Have What It Takes", was released on 16 September 2022.

In 2023, in celebration of 65 years of the Hot 100, Billboard staff listed the 500 Best Pop Songs of All Time that graced the chart since 1958, with "Take On Me" at No. 26.

Legacy
To date, the band is the most successful global pop-music act to have emerged from Norway. In its heyday in the mid-1980s, the band achieved chart-topping success in Britain and the United States and was commercially successful in non-English-speaking areas of the world such as Germany, France and South America. In 1986, A-ha received eight MTV Video Music Awards during one award show.

The music video for "Take On Me" is considered to be one of the most distinctive music videos from the 1980s. On 17 February 2020, the video became the fifth video from the 1980s and 1990s to reach 1 billion views on YouTube, following "November Rain" and "Sweet Child o' Mine" by Guns N' Roses, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" by Nirvana and Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody".

Songs by A-ha, either in original form or in the form of cover versions, have been included as background music and performances in episodes of popular television series, such as The Last of Us, Baywatch, Melrose Place, South Park, Smallville, Cougar Town, Private Practice and The Leftovers.

The band recorded a James Bond theme song, "The Living Daylights", for the film of the same name. A-ha's music has also appeared in movies such as My Best Friend's Exorcism, One Night at McCool's, Grosse Pointe Blank and Corky Romano.

a-ha holds a Guinness World Record from 1991 for drawing the largest paying audience at a pop concert, with 198,000 people at the Estádio do Maracanã stadium in Rio de Janeiro. In 2006, the band was awarded the Q Awards Inspiration Award.

Ahead of the 30th anniversary of the Rock in Rio festival in Rio de Janeiro, a poll made it clear that A-ha's 1991 appearance and their record audience number that year was what people remembered best and the highlight of the festival's 30-year history. As a result, A-ha were invited to reunite for a performance at the festival, celebrating 30 years since their debut album's release.

Several bands and artists have mentioned that they like A-ha, including Chris Martin of Coldplay,  Sarah Brightman, Adam Clayton of U2, Graham Nash of Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, and Pitbull.

Pitbull and Christina Aguilera performed the song "Feel This Moment", which interpolates "Take On Me", live at the MGM Grand during the 2013 Billboard Music Awards, with a surprise appearance from Harket.

Harket and Furuholmen used their celebrity status to pioneer plug-in electric vehicles in Norway when, together with the environmental NGO Bellona, they imported a converted Fiat Panda and managed to get it registered. Their driving around in this car became local folklore and Robbie Andrew, a senior scientist working at Oslo’s CICERO Centre for International Climate Research, has argued that the Norwegian enthusiasm for electric cars and their favourable fiscal status can be traced back to this period.

Awards
Following the success of their debut, the band was nominated for a Grammy Award for Best New Artist in 1986 but did not win. A-ha did win eight MTV Video Music Awards, six for "Take On Me" and two for "The Sun Always Shines on TV". "Take On Me" was also nominated for Favorite Pop/Rock Video at the American Music Awards of 1986. A-ha have won 10 Spellemannprisen awards, the Norwegian equivalent of the Grammy Awards.

In November 2012, all three bandmates were appointed Knights of the 1st Class of the Royal Norwegian Order of St. Olav for their contribution to Norwegian music.

Band members

 * Magne Furuholmen – keyboards, guitars, bass, backing vocals
 * Morten Harket – lead vocals, occasional guitar
 * Pål Waaktaar-Savoy – guitars, drums, percussion, backing vocals, occasional keyboards

Current touring/session musicians

 * Karl-Oluf Wennerberg – drums (2009–present)
 * Erik Ljunggren – programming, keyboards, backing vocals, bass (2009–2016, 2019–present)
 * Even Ormestad – bass, keybass (2015–present)

Studio albums

 * Hunting High and Low (1985)
 * Scoundrel Days (1986)
 * Stay on These Roads (1988)
 * East of the Sun, West of the Moon (1990)
 * Memorial Beach (1993)
 * Minor Earth Major Sky (2000)
 * Lifelines (2002)
 * Analogue (2005)
 * Foot of the Mountain (2009)
 * Cast in Steel (2015)
 * True North (2022)

Tours
A-ha has performed at various venues around the world, including Maracanã Stadium, Praça da Apoteose, Hollywood Bowl, Royal Albert Hall, Radio City Music Hall, Palais Omnisports de Paris-Bercy, Bela Vista Park, Estadio Luna Park and the Kremlin.

As of 5 July 2022, A-ha have performed 730 concerts around the world.

 * World Tour (1986–1987) (US, Canada, Europe, Australia, Japan)
 * Stay on These Roads Tour (1988–1989) (Europe, Japan, South America)
 * East of the Sun West of the Moon Tour (1991) (Europe, South America)
 * Memorial Beach Tour (1993–1994) (Europe, Lebanon, South Africa, Russia)
 * Minor Earth Major Sky Tour (2000–2001) (Japan, Russia, Europe)
 * Lifelines Tour (2002–2004) (Europe, Brazil, Russia)
 * Analogue Tour (2005–2007) (Europe, Russia, US, Senegal, Chile)
 * Foot of the Mountain Tour (2009) (Europe, South America, Japan, Russia)
 * Ending on a High Note Tour (2010) (Europe, US, Canada, South America, Japan, Russia)
 * Cast in Steel Tour (2015–2016) (South America, Europe, Russia)
 * MTV Unplugged Tour (2018) (Europe)
 * Electric Summer Tour (2018) (Europe and Israel)
 * An Evening with Format – Hunting High and Low Live (2019) (Europe and Russia)
 * a-ha Play Hunting High and Low Live (2020–2022) (Australia, Europe, Japan (*), New Zealand, South Africa, United Arab Emirates, Singapore (*) USA, South America and Central America)

(*) Concerts in Japan and Singapore cancelled due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

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I find it very rude that you changed Knuckles the Echidna in Sonic the Hedgehog 2 to redirect to Knuckles the Echidna, as the articles should and will be totally different topics. Please refrain from doing anything like this, I don't need any trouble. - The T

 * I find it very stupid and insane to have separate articles on the same character. Simply explain in one article how this character is depicted in each game. Compare and contrast the differences. --mav

 * What are you talking about? Knuckles the Echidna in Sonic the Hedgehog 2 is a game, plain as that. - The T

I find it very rude that you feel that anyone cares about this nonsense that it needs its own article. -- Zoe

United States Army Forces - Far East Vera Cruz

 * Is there an archive of deleted articles? I notice tons of deletes lately. BF 22:53 Dec 28, 2002 (UTC)

Great to see the county seats showing up. What a lot of work. I've been ragging Ram-Man about it since the beginning, so I really appreciate your effort. Ortolan88

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Zoe:

Go to my page, 172 and look at my extensive contributions in such a brief period of time. Then, you'd understand why I don't what to be misrepresented on that page.

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I am not a Communist either. I was just shocked from day one how biased some articles in Wikipedia were.

That must've given people the impression that I'm a Communist. That misunderstanding would explain the animosity directed toward me. Now that you know otherwise, can you and others be less hostile? --172

 * Try being less hostile and more cooperative to us first and we'll take that under advisement. Yes, the articles did have a real anti-pinko feel to them before but some of your first edits went in completely the other direction. So replacing one POV with the opposite POV isn't an improvement. Your current edits still seem overly sympathetic to communists but I have to admit that they have greatly improved NPOV-wise. --mav

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I did not add bias to any articles. I have listed contributions on my page, User:172.

Go through the articles.

I have improved every article boundlessly. In fact, I think that's the real source of the resentment. --172

 * Perhaps it also has something to do with your overblown opinion of yourself too. --mav

 * Indeed! I notice that this remark is cut-and-pasted verbatim into my talk page, too. There's something impressively narcissistic about handing out ditto-edits to everyone. Like pasting propaganda to every available wall. ;-) --Len

- Blanking a page that was created by a vandal or via a newbie experiment that has obviously crap for content is just as good as placing it on the votes for deletion page. A few of us sysops periodically check the short article special page and delete these en masse. The votes for deletion page is for stuff that isn't as obvious (such as very short stubs, copyright violations, articles on idiosyncratic terms or non-famous people, propaganda etc.) Cheers! --mav
 * In case on blank pages, I'm sure it's not a fully mechanical deletion, or an eventual vandal-bot (or even a "manual" vandal) would encounter the sysops' unintentional help ;-) --G

 * Yes - we always check the history first before deleting. --mav
 * Just studying some organisation, while preparing some service pages fo the it.wiki - never doubted :-)) --G

Hi, Zoe, I was wondering about the date of January 1 for Queen Victoria assuming the title Empress of India. My impression was that Parliament passed the Royal Titles Act in 1876 permitting the change in her title, and that the change was made by Royal Proclamation on April 28, 1876. -- Someone else 05:48 Jan 2, 2003 (UTC)

 * Answering myself, here. January 1, 1877 was the date of the Imperial Assemblage in Delhi where Victoria was proclaimed Empress of India.  It's at least arguable that this was an announcement rather than the date on which she became Empress of India, so I'll change "became" to "was proclaimed" on the pertinent pages and we won't have said anything that isn't perfectly correct! -- Someone else 06:34 Jan 2, 2003 (UTC)

 * That works for me. I wasn't aware of the difference.  -- Zoe

Dear Zoe: Hi! I just wanted to ask you not to place the Ashley Brillault page on the deletion log. I recognize that the first article written shouldve been deleted, but in a coincidence I was watching Lizzie McGuire today and decided to make her a page so I found that page. I put together as best as I could some info from what I found online, so hopefully, that will save the page.

As always, thanks and God bless!!

Sincerely yours AntonioMartin

Antonio, I got word from mav that he and the other sysops go through the empty stubs to see if they should be deleted, so I don't need to put empty articles in the to be deleted list, so if you've added something to the article, it won't show up on the list, so you're okay. -- Zoe

Zoe, apparently you don’t know much about “European imperialism in the nineteenth century”. Read the first paragraph of the article you want to rename:

"In a scramble for overseas markets between the Franco-Prussian War and World War, Europe added almost 9 million square miles—one-fifth of the land area of the globe—to its overseas colonial possessions. Ushering out the cavalier colonialism of the mid-Victorian era, the age of Pax Britannica, the late nineteenth century Romantic Age was an era of "empire for empire's sake". But scholars debate the causes and ramifications of this period of colonialism, dubbed “The New Imperialism” to distinguish it from earlier eras of overseas expansion, such as the mercantilism of the sixteenth to eighteenth centuries or the liberal age of ‘free trade’ colonialism of the mid-nineteenth century."

And what do you mean by the 'title is a mess also'?

172, your continuing sniping at other's perceived ignorance is not becoming. Your title not only is badly-capitalized, but it is meaningless. -- Zoe

- Zoe:

The term “New Imperialism” is used in any high school-level history book covering nineteenth century imperialism. Read one. It’s a very common term.

I didn't make it up. It refers to the era of imperialism between 1871-1914.

Your periodization (1800-1899) would not be that precise, would it?

I only threw out a suggested title, not one carved in stone. You're becoming a firm member of Annoying Wikipedians, aren't you? -- Zoe

Wikipidia is not written for university doctors. (Despite my poor english I'm in fact one.) 172, you should write an article New Imperialism to explaain the concept. User:Ericd

Do you have any history books at home? Look at one on this era.

- Zoe, you don’t know enough about this era to begin butchering that article. Can you find another medium to express you disdain for me?

Let Vera Cruz and I work this out without your bickering.

I did not butcher the article, I hardly made any editorial changes at all, almost all of them were cosmetic. I asked a lot of questions whcih deserve to be answered, which you find beneath you to answer. How difficult is it to just give me civil answers? -- Zoe

The article does not have an "anti-Western" bias, okay.

I suspect that your some over-zealous right-winger who’s on my case for some inane suspicions, that’s why.

It's "you're", 172, not "your". -- Zoe

Zoe can you have a look at Genocide

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You're trying to get me banned? Grow up.

172

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I’m probably being very naïve, as you are probably far to dense for a reasonable argument, but I’d like to correct your misconceptions regarding my contributions.

Read user Tannin’s statement once again:

"172, let's not get into a misunderstanding here. I would be the last person to call you a communist. Prior to your arrival, a good many of the history pages were rather shallow things, and showed little understanding of the interrelationship between history (in the traditional "kings and queens of England" sense) and the broad flow of economic change that underpins and (in general) controls the actions of statesmen, generals and inventors. You certainly do not fall into that trap! Your contributions have made significant inroads into the task of describing history as an interacting whole. Several others here have objected to what they see as a "communist bias" in your writing. In large part, these objections stem from two things:

1.	Many people here have spent a lifetime steeped in a rather one-sided view of history - I'm talking about the sort of history that describes the Battle of the Bulge or Second Alamain in loving detail, but relegates Stalingrad to a footnote and doesn't even bother to mention Kursk; the sort of history that thinks Jethro Tull invented the seed drill and therefore we had an Industrial Revolution - and on reading the sort of thing that you write, they (very naturally) tend to say oh, this isn't what I'm used to seeing, therefore it must be wrong.

2.	You tend to write large slabs of text which is perfectly comprehensible if one concentrates but far from easy reading, particularly as it is liberally laced with the jargon of political economy. Many people see key words or phrases like "bourgeoise", "hegemony", or "accumulation of surplus" and (a) don't really understand them, and (b) assume that because the two or three Marxist or Leninist tracts they happen to have glanced at are filled with these same words, that the present work is more of the same. As I see it, the challenge is not to write long entries that are technically correct but so complex, wordy, and jargon-filled that no-one reads them (any fool with half an education can do that), but to translate the specialised jargon of Marxian political economy and materialistic history into terms that that are readily accessable to the ordinary, non-specialist reader, and in doing so to bear in mind that any given article should not aim at detailed perfection at some far off future time to the exclusion of readability and usefulness at the present time - changes should, in other words, be sufficiently incremental that the article as a whole remains useful in the meantime. "

In the mean time, grow up and quit accusing me of being an ideologue whenever I explain a concept with which you are not familiar. Your charges are very typical of non-academic readers of history.

-- ~Don't you mean "with which you are not familiar"? Honestly, I've always found that people who tell others to "grow up" need to follow their own advice. Zoe mercilessly edits even my poor Pokemon pages, but she's usually right, and she ALWAYS has a point. If you still have a _need_ to read/write some flames, might I suggest The Ultimate Flame? AnnieKat

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Little typo. That doesn't matter on a user page. 172 --- Zoe just has a vendetta against me because she suspects me of being a Marxist and suspects that I'm injecting a Marxist point of view in various articles. I posted the above statement from Tannin so that she’d be able to realize that she has come to a misunderstanding.

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Well, if she DOES have a vendetta (which I doubt, professional disagreements rarely ferment into vendettas), insulting her certainly isn't going to help the situation. If someone can't handle constructive criticism, that's their problem. Name-calling on their talk page is not the solution.

Come on. We're all adults here (except me), and I think we all know how to behave and what's right (Marxist or no). Constructive criticism fosters communication and growth within a community. Pointless (and endless) arguments do not.

If you feel the need to discuss this further, please go to _my_ Talk page. I will be more than willing to argue until the Gates of Hades fall down, if that's what pleases you. If Zoe goes looking for it, that's her problem. But can we please stop the name-calling? AnnieKat

 * Someone else said "until Hell freezes over" but that's another story :-).User:Ericd

 * I just got finished reading Dante's Inferno (Hehe. Couldn't resist.) soo... my refs are a little weird. Annie

 * No that's Adlai Stevenson at the UNO during the Cuban Missile Crisis. User:Ericd

 * Hey guys - is this really the best place to have this discussion? Battle it out on the IRC channel. Or at least move this to your own talk pages. --mav

That's what I've asked him to do. We'll see if he complies. ;) Annie

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Zoe, that was blantant vandalism. Will you just leave me alone with your sarcastic remarks.

172

Hey, Zoe, check out Kepple Disney II. Wikigenealogy here we come! Danny

Have you heard about Roy Oliver Disney? Slrubenstein

Blatant vandalism? What blatant vandalism? What did Zoe ever do to you? The One who Purrs... and Scratches

Annie I confess I am the vandalist. I'm also trostkist and ignorant where do I sent money order for russian space travel ? Ericd -- How do I join the mailing list ? Ericd

Ericd continues to accuse me of being biased regarding New Imperialism; yet he has not substantiated his claims. He has vandalized my user page and called me a terrorist on many others. He has created a page on Linda Lovelace and the Congo Free State, mocking an episode of history in which up to 10 million might have died. He harasses me when ever I make any contribution, whenever I engage in dialogues with other users.

Regarding that New Imperialism page, you accused me of having an anti-Western bias. Others today have accused me of having the converse bias. That’s reassuring to me.

Please, drop your animosity toward me or at least get a more creditable contributor to join your lynch mob. Your hostility and false allegations are the reason that I am so defensive when I work with anyone else. I feel that they have been misled by your charges.

I have been rude to in the past because I considered your charges blatantly vindictive. I’m sorry for the past rudeness.

172

What the heck? When did Eric vandalize your user page? *goes to look at the logs* Annie

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If you write me a list of questions pertaining to my contributions, I will politely answer each one. Your question regarding the name "New Imperialism" is answered on the user page.

172 --

I subscribed the mailing list. Ericd

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Zoe: I'm directing this message to you as well since you have question the name "New Imperialism".

I’m familiar with the origins of the word “imperialism”; that’s why I keep deleting that explanation on my talk page. But it has come into common usage since then. Look up any dictionary definition. For instance, mercantilism is now considered one form of imperialism in particular. New Imperialism is now considered an era of imperialism between 1871-1914.

I don’t know why this is such a contentious issue for you. The term “New Imperialism” is so common because this field of history has been so controversial and the focal point of a rich tradition of historical literature and theory. New Imperialist historiography has in large part been devoted to what role the over-accumulation of surplus capital by the rich played in this phenomenon, and what role New Imperialism played in spurring World War I. To imperial critic J.A. Hobson’s credit, his controversial charges have spurred a great deal of theories and studies regarding this era. The study of New Imperialism has been essential to Lenin’s critique of capitalism, and critiques of his analysis of the amalgamation of industry have been central to the work of many anti-Marxian historians. One of the most prominent to these anti-Marxian historians was William L. Langer, who emphasized the role of mass-psychology earlier in the twentieth century. He uses the term "New Imperialism" as well.

172

- Zoe:

Look at Ericd's contribution:

Linda Lovelace and the free Congo state

An anonymous user removed the content of the text, making light of mass-murder.

172 -- The anonymous was myself 62.212.103.37 is ip number. (normaly it's ping of death proof). Of course I removed the text this was pure joke. Ericd -

62.212.103.37 is not the only one to criticize Ericd's vandalism:

I quote:

"Ericd, please do not vandalize 172's user page, this is a violation of our policy. And yes, copying large amounts of text repeatedly qualifies as vandalism. It also wastes DB space on the Wikipedia server. --Eloquence"

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Zoe:

Here's a Columbia University site referring to "New Imperialism":

http://www.columbia.edu/~lt95/altlect14.htm

172 -- 62.212.103.37 = Ericd

Ericd

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That's strange. Ericd condemns himself for vandalism.

I'm tired of all of this. Can I make peace with both of you?

172 --- Self contradiction I may have more complex personnality than yours :)

Ericd

-- Zoe:

I do no such thing; I revert articles to improve them, just like everyone else. You're just looking at me through a biased guise.

Do you honestly think that Vera Cruz's article on New Imperialism is more understandable? If so, then why (and being shorter is not an adequate answer). Go read the current version of New Imperialism; the flaws have been corrected by another user and me. Editing that page turned out to be a more viable solution than removing 90% of it arbitrarily, which I rightfully fought like any good contributor.

Do you honestly think that an article on Congolese history should not describe an overview of changes in Congolese society? Go look at the page on the History of the Democratic Republic of the Congo; my contributions are largely intact.

Do you not think that charges of genocide in Africa belong in the genocide page? Go look at the genocide page; my contributions are largely intact.

I have gotten into edit wars over these issues. Disregard the personality conflicts and answer the above questions. I have gotten into edit wars mostly over personality issues, conflicts that began largely with your half-baked charges of “Communist bias” that have inspired many others to delete my "POVing" when they barely understand the issue at hand. The reason that those contributions are intact is that after a while informed contributors inform my detractors that little bias was evident.

I doubt that I will contribute anything else to Wikipedia. I'll be going back to work anyway next week. That’s a loss, as I am an actual PhD historian. I do, however, want to maintain my former contributions.

172

 * Finally, something he's said that actually makes some sense... in my experience, PhD's in History are a little... stuffy. Yes, rather. As for contributions... I think sticking to laymen's terms will do this Wikipedia some good. Annie

 * Zoe how much do you earn per hour babysitting Wikipedia ;-) BF

 * None, unfortunately. But then, if I was being paid, it probably wouldn't be enough.  :-)  -- Zoe

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Zoe:

I commend the latest changes to the article on New Imperialism that I started. These changes are positive and do not leave the article a skeleton.

I doubt that I will get into so many conflicts once people realize that I’m not a Communist who writes exclusively in the jargon of Historical Materialism. Before, I was criticized for having a Communist bias. That half-baked charge is dying down. As for the use of technical terms, I don’t use terms in that article that you wouldn’t find in a Britannica. Check one out; you’d probably find their article articles on history even more “technical”.

172

Zoe, plz come back to New Imperialism. Vera Cruz
 * No, thank you. -- Zoe

Thanks, I'm glad to be back. I had a very relaxing 3 week vacation, then got back yesterday and plugged in a few articles and passages I wrote on vacation. Once a wikipediholic, always a wikipediholic?

I hope your holidays went well. :-) --KQ

what is wrong with Fifth World? Plz edit it if you have a problem with it. Vera Cruz

- Zoe, please take a look at my comments on Southern Expedition Army Group by Vera Cruz and let me know what you think. I am off to sleep. Nite. Danny

Response to your question about Clonaid posted on the talk. Thanks for your question. --Qaz

Hi Zoe, I noted you moved the 'Lord John Russell page. The re-direct should solve any problems, but his name throws up an interesting problem. He was and is universally known as Lord John Russell, never ever John Russell. A student searching for his name on Wiki would never ever look for him under John Russell (they wouldn't even think of him under that name!) I know Wiki's policy on using titles but in his case, people think of the 'Lord' not as a title but as part of his name, a bit like the way people would know instinctively who 'John F Kennedy' was but not John Kennedy, or Edward VIII as Edward or the Duke of Windsor, not 'David', his actual name, or Pope John XXIII, not Angelo Roncalli. I'm not cribbing on the change, just wondering does Wiki cover exceptions, such as his, where 100% of users treat 'Lord' as his name, not a title, and would be completely puzzled by any other name! Best wishes. I will get around to Parnell, when I have the chance. (I have to go through Robert Kee's biography of him, the Laurel and the Ivy first. If you are interested in Parnell, it is worth reading. A very easy, well written read, one of the best biographies I've ever read.) Cheers. JTD 08:16 Jan 11, 2003 (UTC)

yeah, I realise that, Zoe. Just wondering in terms of other figures who might crop up in the future whose title is treated in popular usage as part of their name. Do we drop the title, or do a re-direct using both forms of name? God, I have become wikified when I am asking this sort of question 5 hours after I planned to go to bed. Good night. (I daren't even look out the window to see has dawn hit here yet. AAAAAgh. It has. JTD 08:24 Jan 11, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Zoe, You wrote that talk pages should never be deleted. I disagree, but I'll let you have your way with the Patents talk page. I modified it to give a little bit of organization though. Talk pages can become incredibly convoluted, and deleting dead topics is very helpful. Sometimes a "talk" discussion no longer has any relation to the article (if a section of the article was deleted) and it is very unlikely that the same issue will arise again once it is settled this one time. Anyway, we should at least note that something is a dead topic so that it can be put at the end of the talk page and ignored from this point forwards...except as a historical curiosity. adam

 * Adam -- Your decision to delete the substance of the Patents Talk page was ill-advised: The issues being discussed therein were raised by your POV commentary in the Patents article, and those issues are far from resolved, much less "dead."  Indeed, if anything, your POV commentary should be removed from the Patents article to the Patents Talk page.  Preferably, you should edit or delete your POV commentary in lieu of deleting the (still relevant) discussion about that commentary. -- NetEsq 19:45 Jan 11, 2003 (UTC)

 * Added -- I noted that Adam did in fact delete his POV commentary, but by that point the discussion had moved beyond simple deletion of that commentary. In any event, the deletion of the content from the Talk Page was still ill-advised:  The issues being discussed therein were far from resolved, much less "dead." -- NetEsq 19:54 Jan 11, 2003 (UTC)

I agree with your comments on Sinitic western comparative philosophy. Do you think we should suggest the page be deleted? I tried to edit it to make it sound a little more like an encyclopedia article, but -- not being the original author -- I still don't really understand what it is saying or why it is here. Slrubenstein

Making a wiki video store I see =) BF 05:49 Jan 13, 2003 (UTC)

 * LOL. Well, mainly Academy Award nominees.  -- Zoe

Hi Zoe, I see you say on the article page that the name of Lord Fitzalan was Edmund Bernard Howard. Joseph Robins in Champange and Silver Buckles: The Viceregal Court at Dublin Castle 1700-1922 gives his name as Edmund Bernard Talbot. I thought Talbot was the correct surname as well. Are you sure it was Howard? (Or maybe he was Lord Talbot before becoming Lord Fitzalan! The British and their damned confusing titles!) I haven't changed it in case you are correct. I'm putting in a link to a page on the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland. I'll link it up to the Howard page anyway; if it is wrong we can always to a re-direct.

JT.

PS - Have you seen the latest 'fun' on the Irish potato famine page? My historian colleagues here don't know whether to laugh their heads off, or be very angry, at Stevertigo's version of Irish history. They are all agreed on one thing; no way can we let such an almost comically biased and over the top version of Irish history stand! Who says Wiki isn't fun (and infuriating) sometimes!!!

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From the article: "© 2001 David (Papa) Bishop". The text must be under the GNU FDL (or compatible to it). --Mrwojo 03:54 Jan 17, 2003 (UTC)

To whomever I am suposed to be addressing this note:

My name is David W. Bishop (aka Papa Bishop). I live on Tipperary Hill a few blocks from the Tipperary Hill light and wrote the article in question. I have also posted it here twice, only to have it removed again. I hereby grant permission to Wikipedia, and anyone else for that matter, to use the article. I only ask that I be given credit for having written it. If there are any questions I can be reached at PapaBishop@aol.com or by phone. (I'm in the Syracuse phone book.)

Signed, David W. Bishop (PapaBishop)

 * Wikipedia articles must be under the GNU FDL, meaning they cannot be copyrighted by the author. Wikipedia articles do not contain author credits (other than that anyone who looks in the article history can see what user contributed various edits). Wikipedia articles are open to revisions (minor or major) by other Wikipedia users. If you do not agree to this, Wikipedia is not the place for your articles. -- Infrogmation 16:44 May 10, 2003 (UTC)
 * I sent a copy of this comment and the URL of this talk page to the above email address. -- Infrogmation 16:54 May 10, 2003 (UTC)

 * Asking to be given credit is entirely compatible with the GFDL, and we do this in Wikipedia by using the article history and (optionally) comments like the above on the talk page. Martin

Should not a distinction be made in this article between the Irish, as in the Irish immigrants who settled in the area, and "the Irish", as in the Irish-Americans who vandalised the traffic lights (seeing as "Sons of Ireland" is a phrase used by the Irish-Americans to describe themselves) Jimregan 21:49 May 11, 2003 (UTC)

 * If you can state definitively (and give a source) that it was either Irish immigrants or Americans of Irish descent who vandalized the lights, then yes, a distinction should be made. -- Plutor 14:02, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Clarify list of areas
The box at the bottom of the page should have a heading of some sort. It is not clear what the box contains. I suggest it here as I am not an expert on this topic.

Question
Has the light ever caused problems with color-blind people? Just wondering. Smartyshoe 20:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

As a former tipperary hill resident who is color blind, I suppose it depends on the type of color blindness but I experienced no significant confusion when at the light. CCoville (talk) 16:19, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Horizontal traffic light
Couldn't a horizontal traffic light (with red on the left, amber in the middle, and green on the right) have been installed instead? It would have looked a bit funny (as does this inverted signal), but it would have conformed with MUTCD standards yet probably not upset the Irish. 76.21.8.213 (talk) 03:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

 * Perhaps, but this probably isn't the correct forum to discuss it. -- Bossi  ( talk • gallery • contrib ) 04:22, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

NPOV Issue & Blatent Racism.
I am reposting an earlier issue I raised after reading this article regarding it's quality and lack of neutrality. It was removed (first time I have ever seen a talk page 'reverted' before) by User:TheOldJacobite with a tasteless note of 'take your ignorant rant elsewhere', followed by an ironically polite note on my talk page.

Firstly, I want to point out that given the immediacy of his actions it's quite clear that he's guarding the article avidly, as his edit history conveys a vested interest. Secondly, the simple fact someone would suppress a talk page entry addressing a bias or agenda and most woefully blatent racism is bigoted and disgusting. I am now asking that this be dealt with as a NPOV matter, and will request arbitration if neutrality cannot be reached by common sense and consensus removing all racism and bigotry and keeping this article at least encyclopedic in nature.

Below is my prior comment:

 * Since when do we aggrandize and point of view push blatent racism and pathologically insane behaviour? I have no British or Irish in me, so I've got no dog in the race, but I sure as hell am ashamed to read this section of the article (which just got a lot of exposure on reddit) to be ashamed of our encyclopedia for allowing such a heavy slant on the article pushing what is clearly a bunch of ignorant hicks bullying city officials to cause the inverting of an internationally recognized symbol just because they're racist and clearly incapable of comprehension. D:<
 * Honestly, how did this not get brought up sooner? How did it even pass a first proof? It's disgusting, and if it were perpetrated by any other ethnicity or nationality to any other by and by it would have been removed as vandalism. It's 2012, 'boys will be boys' and inbred racist hicks will be inbred racist hicks doesn't wash anymore. These brazen acts of vandalism and harassment of city officials to deface a traffic control device to push a political and racial agenda is exactly that, not a hurr durr it's lol because they're poms and my aunties uncles cousin rented a flat with an Irishman so I'm on their side by default.
 * C'mon guys, use your heads. 60.225.69.174 (talk) 16:47, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Rather than immediately requesting a third party intervention to avoid further removal of discussion of this matter (the talk page is for discussing an article, not deleting other users posts / discussions to protect a racist agenda) I will consider this an attempt to open discourse and commit some time and effort into working through this first.

As I have previously mentioned, I have no dog in this race, but I sure as fuck have low tolerance for racism and bigotry, so I've taken a particular interest in this article and the outcome of this NPOV matter. I just can't even begin to understand where someone gets off considering it acceptable to delete and swiftly hide someones post calling it an ignorant rant (because protecting racism is enlightened!) so it's obvious that this cancer spreads further than first thought. 60.225.69.174 (talk) 14:05, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Addendum for TheOldJacobite: given the plethora of barn stars your user page seems to display, you ought to know what is appropriate and what isn't when it comes to editing talk pages and behaviour that is unacceptable, and you've already been spoken to on numerous occasions regarding civility and your behaviour on Wikipedia, so please bare these things in mind and do not attempt to delete, alter, or otherwise molest this discussion. 60.225.69.174 (talk) 14:54, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Is it your contention the "campaign" to reverse the colour order of the traffic light was racist, or that the way it is written about in the article or, indeed, the fact that it was written about at all, is racist and POV pushing? FiachraByrne (talk) 17:32, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

My issue is purely with the content of the article. The way that the issue has been portrayed reads like a 'lol boys will be boys' type retort to an overt instance of racism. There are many instances of racism brought from 'the old country' between many races dealt with on Wikipedia, however I have yet to see one with so many weasel words or so much mitigation of avoiding calling a spade a spade where a campaign of vandalism and bullying yielded in the accepted defacement of an international symbol purely because it was too detrimental to try and enforce policy and rationalism.

I don't know much at all about the beef between the two races in question and thus don't feel confident enough to modify the article myself; however I appear to have made TheOldJacobite angry. Examining his user history it appears that he has a very keen interest in all things Irish, especially the IRA in the past. After deleting my first comment on the talk page calling it an idiotic rant, he has also reversed my NPOV claim stating 'because I said so' as cause in his follow up and then reported me to the administrators on an API notice board (which was taken down by an admin).

I am re-applying the NPOV flag but do not feel comfortable proceeding with my complaints regarding this topic given his extensive history. Clearly bullying and vandalism to force an agenda contrary to policy and rational thought doesn't just apply to the stone throwing natives of Tipperary hill, and unfortunately I--like the 'town fathers' (Who uses that term, seriously? Gah, article quality! D:<)--would rather concede than face further trouble. Even a cursory examination of TheOldJacobites history and a google search will tell you that he has conduct issues aplenty and no amount of discussion will yield any sane or reasonable agreement on issues relating to his specific fields of interest.

I hope the editors of this article can do something with it to remove the agenda, re-work the strange nomenclature, and generally bring the article up to speed and standing, but as I have no dog in this race I definitely have no reason to have to deal with farcical admin complaints, defacements, reverts, and censoring to try and help it get there. 60.225.69.174 (talk) 18:11, 15 November 2012 (UTC) (Please direct any Talk Page correspondence to User:BaSH PR0MPT (on holidays, can't recover my pass from here!) if you need me.)

 * And now TheOldJacobite is constantly removing the NPOV tag even though the dispute isn't resolved, citing 'because I say' as cause. :/ I'm not here to get into petty edit wars, I've reached out to him to address his conduct. We'll probably need to get 3OP or dispute resolution involved to get anywhere as far as even the possibility of examining the way the racist elements in the stop light section goes and the weasel word and general article quality issues. Are any regular editors of this article or locals available to assist in reworking that section specifically? Preferably someone who is neutral, doesn't have a vested interest, yet has enough connection to the article to ensure that edits made do justice to it and improve it's quality? 60.225.69.174 (talk) 18:40, 15 November 2012 (UTC) (User:BaSH PR0MPT)

NPOV
There is no NPOV issue in this article. The discussion of the traffic light incidents is factual and well-referenced, not slanted or opinionated. The recent edits, including the rants here on the talk page, seem to be an example of I don't like it, which is not a legitimate position to take in a talk page discussion. There is no "blatent {sic} racism" in this article, as the anon. user claims, and the accusation is absurd and insulting on its face. --- The Old Jacobite The '45  16:12, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

 * Once again, there is no NPOV issue in this article. The anon. who has made repeated complaints has shown no evidence of POV and only repeats that [WP:I DON'T LIKE IT|he doesn't like it]], which is irrelevant.  Most of his commentary on this page is devoted to stating his opinions about this article and my editing history, which is also irrelevant. --- The Old Jacobite The '45  18:17, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

'''This issue is not resolved. Please refrain from constantly removing the NPOV tag, it's written right on it.''' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.225.69.174 (talk) 18:32, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

"Because I said so." isn't exactly the kind of discussion that moves an article forwards. The neutrality of this article is in question given that systematic acts of vandalism and bullying of council have been negated and mitigated beyond reproach.

Given your extensive edit history and interest in all things Irish, especially the IRA, you obviously do have a dog in this race and I ask you to refrain from arbitrarily removing my posts, be they discussion, or the NPOV flagging of the article.

You may wish to consider just how close you are to this article to be able to remain objective. I have never in my many, many years editing on Wikipedia been censored, suffered personal attacks and implications my views are idiotic, and then arbitrarily had someone file a complaint to administrators over one single post. Again, these may be strong signs that you have far too much interest in the way the article is worded, as these are not actions of a normal Wikipedian over a legitimate concern for racism.

I have outlined my view above in the original NPOV sub-section, I am unsure why you have created a new section for this. I attempted to contact you on your talk page but you seem to have had it protected to avoid complaints about conduct (per your edit history and 'alternative' talk page) but again I strongly suggest you consider the frequency of conduct warnings you receive and the strange behavior you have illustrated in this instance and ask you to perhaps consider leaving the addressing of NPOV issues within this to folks with less of a vested interest for the sake of neutrality and article quality.

I do not wish to get into an edit war or login to find new messages and reverts and censoring and dibby-dobbing to admins and general internet-craziness as this is not productive nor how I (or most people) wish to contribute or spend our time working on the Wikipedia project and am stepping out of this issue. Whilst I am a solid candidate for assisting with fixing up the elements of racism in this article given that I am as far removed as you can get from the issues at hand, and especially given my history of time contributed to 3OP and the mediation team, I have grave misgivings that your conduct will directly impact on my sanity and comfort. 60.225.69.174 (talk) 18:28, 15 November 2012 (UTC) (User:BaSH PR0MPT)

Addendum: You have again removed the NPOV tag, citing the same reference to lack of NPOV being 'because I say,' you are entitled to your opinion however you cannot force it onto others, there is a reason policies are in place and arbitrary censorship is not in any way part of these policies, so please, feel free to discuss and expound your point of view as frequently and often as you please, but stop trying to force the outcome you desire from the issues raised. 60.225.69.174 (talk) 18:28, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see anthing racist or POVpushing about this section. It seems to be sourced to local newspapers and discusses a local anomaly, namely the upside down traffic light and its origins. It isn't POV violating just because you don't like it personally. Even if the actual events were racially or ethnically motivated, that doesn't mean we should not have a well written neutral description of the events.  He  iro 19:29, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, Heiro. I removed the tag. No more. Drmies (talk) 02:02, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think the tag is warranted, but I object on some level to the phrasing in the sixth paragraph of that section, in particular "It was explained to him carefully" and "When the commissioner did not quite get the point, it was explained to him carefully." The rest is completely factual, but these small phrases don't seem NPOV to me at all. I would change them myself, but this issue seems to be quite contentious, so I thought I'd ask for input. Frankly, it's condescending towards the commissioner, and appears to represent the Irish POV at the time, being that he was stupid not to accept their demands. Does anybody vouch for the wording as it is? It seems like the isolated but clear-cut example of non-NPOV within the section. Coppaar  ( talk ) 02:15, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Good point Coppaar, good point! I've trimmed the entire section, including that paternalizing phrase you remarked on. This is all clearly written by someone with an interest in the locality, and from that perspective. What's being talked about here as quaint is in fact replete with excessive detail and trivia, and I hope that in days to come this article will be made more encyclopedic. Whoever authored this can copy an earlier version from the history to keep somewhere else as a record. Drmies (talk) 02:34, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with the trimming of some of the more "flowery" language and making it a little more encyclopedic in tone.  He  iro 03:35, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

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Lordship of Ireland

The Lordship of Ireland (Tiarnas na hÉireann), sometimes referred to retrospectively as Anglo-Norman Ireland, was the part of Ireland ruled by the King of England (styled as "Lord of Ireland") and controlled by loyal Anglo-Norman Lords between 1177 and 1542. The lordship was created following the Anglo-Norman invasion of Ireland in 1169–1171. It was a papal fief, granted to the Plantagenet kings of England by the Holy See, via Laudabiliter. As the Lord of Ireland was also the King of England, he was represented locally by a governor, variously known as the Justiciar, Lieutenant, Lord Lieutenant or Lord Deputy.

The kings of England claimed lordship over the whole island, but in reality the king's rule only ever extended to parts of the island. The rest of the island – referred to subsequently as Gaelic Ireland – remained under the control of various Gaelic Irish kingdoms or chiefdoms, who were often at war with the Anglo-Normans.

The area under English rule and law grew and shrank over time, and reached its greatest extent in the late 13th and early 14th centuries. The lordship then went into decline, brought on by its invasion by Scotland in 1315–18, the Great Famine of 1315–17, and the Black Death of the 1340s. The fluid political situation and Norman feudal system allowed a great deal of autonomy for the Anglo-Norman lords in Ireland, who carved out earldoms for themselves and had almost as much authority as some of the native Gaelic kings. Some Anglo-Normans became Gaelicised and rebelled against the English administration. The English attempted to curb this by passing the Statutes of Kilkenny (1366), which forbade English settlers from taking up Irish law, language, custom and dress. The period ended with the creation of the Kingdom of Ireland in 1542.

Arrival of the Normans in Ireland
The authority of the Lordship of Ireland's government was seldom extended throughout the island of Ireland at any time during its existence but was restricted to the Pale around Dublin, and some provincial towns, including Cork, Limerick, Waterford, Wexford and their hinterlands. It owed its origins to the decision of a Leinster dynast, Diarmait Mac Murchada (Diarmuid MacMorrough), to bring in a Norman knight based in Wales, Richard de Clare, 2nd Earl of Pembroke (alias 'Strongbow'), to aid him in his battle to regain his throne, after being overthrown by a confederation led by the new Irish High King (the previous incumbent had protected MacMurrough). Henry II of England invaded Ireland to control Strongbow, who he feared was becoming a threat to the stability of his own kingdom on its western fringes (there had been earlier fears that Saxon refugees might use either Ireland or Flanders as a base for a counter-offensive after 1066); much of the later Plantagenet consolidation of South Wales was in furtherance of holding open routes to Ireland.

Henry Plantagenet and Laudabiliter
From 1155 Henry claimed that Pope Adrian IV had given him authorisation to reform the Irish church by assuming control of Ireland. Religious practices and ecclesiastical organisation in Ireland had evolved divergently from those in areas of Europe influenced more directly by the Holy See, although many of these differences had been eliminated or greatly lessened by the time the bull was issued in 1155. Further, the former Irish church had never sent its dues ("tithes") to Rome. Henry's primary motivation for invading Ireland in 1171 was to control Strongbow and other Norman lords. In the process he accepted the fealty of the Gaelic kings at Dublin in November 1171 and summoned the Synod of Cashel in 1172, this bringing the Irish Church into conformity with English and European norms.

In 1175 the Treaty of Windsor was agreed by Henry and Ruaidrí Ua Conchobair, High King of Ireland.

The popes asserted the right to grant sovereignty over islands to different monarchs on the basis of the Donation of Constantine (now known to be a forgery). Doubts were cast by eminent scholars on Laudabiliter itself in the 19th century, but it had been confirmed by the letters of Pope Alexander III. The Papal power to grant also fell within the remit of Dictatus papae (1075–1087). While Laudabiliter had referred to the "kingdom" of Ireland, the Papacy was ambiguous about continuing to describe it as a kingdom as early as 1185.

John Lackland as Lord of Ireland
Having captured a small part of Ireland on the east coast, Henry used the land to solve a dispute dividing his family. For he had divided his territories between his sons, with the youngest being nicknamed Johan sanz Terre (in English, "John Lackland") as he was left without lands to rule. At the Oxford parliament in May 1177, Henry replaced William FitzAldelm and granted John his Irish lands, so becoming Lord of Ireland (Dominus Hiberniae) in 1177 when he was 10 years old, with the territory being known in English as the Lordship of Ireland.

Henry had wanted John to be crowned King of Ireland on his first visit in 1185, but Pope Lucius III specifically refused permission, citing the dubious nature of a claim supposedly provided by Pope Adrian IV years earlier. "Dominus" was the usual title of a king who had not yet been crowned, suggesting that it was Henry's intention. Lucius then died while John was in Ireland, and Henry obtained consent from Pope Urban III and ordered a crown of gold and peacock feathers for John. In late 1185 the crown was ready, but John's visit had by then proved a complete failure, so Henry cancelled the coronation.

Following the deaths of John's older brothers he became King of England in 1199, and so the Lordship of Ireland, instead of being a separate country ruled by a junior Norman prince, came under the direct rule of the Angevin crown. In the legal terminology of John's successors, the "lordship of Ireland" referred to the sovereignty vested in the Crown of England; the corresponding territory was referred to as the "land of Ireland".

Perennial struggle with Gaeldom

The Lordship thrived in the 13th century during the Medieval Warm Period, a time of warm climate and better harvests. The feudal system was introduced, and the Parliament of Ireland first sat in 1297. Some counties were created by shiring, while walled towns and castles became a feature of the landscape. But little of this engagement with mainstream European life was of benefit to those the Normans called the "mere Irish". "Mere" derived from the Latin merus, meaning "pure". Environmental decay and deforestation continued unabated throughout this period, being greatly exacerbated by the English newcomers and an increase in population.

The Norman élite and churchmen spoke Norman French and Latin. Many poorer settlers spoke English, Welsh, and Flemish. The Gaelic areas spoke Irish dialects. The Yola language of County Wexford was a survivor of the early English dialects. The Kildare Poems of c. 1350 are a rare example of humorous local culture written in Middle English.

The Lordship suffered invasion from Scotland by Edward Bruce in 1315–1318, which destroyed much of the economy and coincided with the great famine of 1315–1317. The earldom of Ulster ended in 1333, and the Black Death of 1348–1350 impacted more on the town-dwelling Normans than on the remaining Gaelic clans. The Norman and English colonists exhibited a tendency to adopt much of the native culture and language, becoming "Gaelicized" or in the words of some "More Irish than the Irish themselves". In 1366 the Statute of Kilkenny tried to keep aspects of Gaelic culture out of the Norman-controlled areas albeit in vain. As the Norman lordships became increasingly Gaelicized and made alliances with native chiefs, whose power steadily increased, crown control slowly eroded.

Additionally, the Plantagenet government increasingly alienated the Irish chiefs and people on whom they often relied for their military strength. It had been a common practice for the Norman lordships as well as government forces to recruit the native Irish who were allied to them or living in English controlled areas (i.e. Leinster including Meath and Ossory, Munster and some parts of Connacht). This was easy to do as the native Irish had no great sense of national identity at that time and were prone to mercenarism and shifting alliances. But the Irish chiefs became increasingly alienated by the oppressive measures of the English government and began openly rebelling against the crown. Some of the more notable among those clans who had formerly cooperated with the English but became increasingly alienated until turning openly anti-Norman and a thorn in the side of the Dublin administration were the O'Connor Falys, the MacMurrough-Kavanagh dynasty (Kingdom of Leinster), the Byrnes and the O'Mores of Leix. These clans were able to successfully defend their territories against English attack for a very long time through the use of asymmetrical guerrilla warfare and devastating raids into the lands held by the colonists. Additionally, the power of native chiefs who had never come under English domination such as the O'Neills and the O'Donnells increased steadily until these became once again major power players on the scene of Irish politics. Historians refer to a Gaelic revival or resurgence as occurring between 1350 and 1500, by which time the area ruled for the Crown – "the Pale" – had shrunk to a small area around Dublin.

Between 1500 and 1542 a mixed situation arose. Most clans remained loyal to the Crown most of the time, at least in theory, but using a Gaelic-style system of alliances based on mutual favours, centered on the Lord Deputy who was usually the current Earl of Kildare. The Battle of Knockdoe in 1504 saw such a coalition army fight the Burkes in Galway. However, a rebellion by the 9th Earl's heir Silken Thomas in 1535 led on to a less sympathetic system of rule by mainly English-born administrators. The end of this rebellion and Henry VIII's seizure of the Irish monasteries around 1540 led on to his plan to create a new kingdom based on the existing parliament.

Transformation into a Kingdom
English monarchs continued to use the title "Lord of Ireland" to refer to their position of conquered lands on the island of Ireland. The title was changed by the Crown of Ireland Act passed by the Irish Parliament in 1542 when, on Henry VIII's demand, he was granted a new title, King of Ireland, with the state renamed the Kingdom of Ireland. Henry VIII changed his title because the Lordship of Ireland had been granted to the Norman monarchy by the Papacy; Henry had been excommunicated by the Catholic Church and worried that his title could be withdrawn by the Holy See. Henry VIII also wanted Ireland to become a full kingdom to encourage a greater sense of loyalty amongst his Irish subjects, some of whom took part in his policy of surrender and regrant. To provide for greater security, a Royal Irish Army was established.

Queen Mary I, one of Henry VIII's daughters, would take the English throne in 1553. As a Catholic, she sought to smooth relations with the Pope. Pope Paul IV would grant Philip II of Spain (Mary's husband) and Mary the title of King and Queen of Ireland in 1555, endorsing the position that the Tudors were indeed the rightful Irish monarchy. This grant would not work as Paul IV had expected, as Mary died in 1558 and was succeeded as Queen of England and Ireland by her half-sister Elizabeth I, a Protestant.

Parliament
The government was based in Dublin, but the members of Parliament could be summoned to meet anywhere, whether Dublin or Kilkenny:

 * 1310 Kilkenny
 * 1320 Dublin
 * 1324 Dublin
 * 1327 Dublin
 * 1328 Kilkenny
 * 1329 Dublin
 * 1330 Kilkenny
 * 1331 Kilkenny
 * 1331 Dublin
 * 1341 Dublin
 * 1346 Kilkenny
 * 1350 Kilkenny
 * 1351 Kilkenny
 * 1351 Dublin
 * 1353 Dublin
 * 1357 Kilkenny
 * 1359 Kilkenny
 * 1359 Waterford
 * 1360 Kilkenny
 * 1366 Kilkenny
 * 1369 Dublin

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Talk:A New Hope (disambiguation)

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"A New Hope" should redirect to Star Wars (film). It's by far the most common usage. Muscle mass (talk) 12:24, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Moved as proposed and redirect retargeted to the film — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:06, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

A New Hope → A New Hope (disambiguation) – A New Hope should redirect to Star Wars (film), and then a link to A New Hope (disambiguation) should be put at the top of Star Wars (film). Muscle mass (talk) 12:29, 8 April 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 02:38, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Support move. It's fairly obvious that Star Wars is the primary topic here.  ONR  (talk) 02:51, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
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 * The benefit is obviously a more efficient user-experience. The vast majority of people who search for "A New Hope" are trying to get to Star Wars (film).Muscle mass (talk) 04:17, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

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