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Talk:Chester

Discussion about addition of Welsh names to articles about English settlements
Editors sometimes add the Welsh name for Chester to this article, usually in the lead. Since this matter has been raised on a number of different pages now, and is ongoing, I think it best to refer people to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements/Archive 2 and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements/Archive 2 where the matter is being discussed for a number of articles (at least 4) about English settlements in which Welsh names have recently been added. Please go there and join in if you would like to contribute to the discussion and try to reach some kind of consensus about it. DDStretch   (talk)  18:00, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

 * I suppose some of this relies on what we mean by Chester, parts of the Chester Built Up Area are in Wales, which might provide justification for the inclusion of the Welsh name in a way that might not apply to say Shrewsbury. 80.192.37.143 (talk) 13:14, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

What about the walls of Derry/Londonderry. They are complete too, although of more recent origin than Cheater's —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chasnor15 (talk • contribs) 13:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Images
Lots of terrible images in this article at the moment. As an alternative, we can use the following free-to-use images from Flickr (they just need uploading to WikiCommons:

 * Eastgate Clock (My favourite)
 * Town Hall Spire
 * Chester Main Street
 * Chester Landmarks

Hope these help, --Jza84 | Talk  14:54, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Good suggestions. I did attempt to contact the most prolific adder of the current images when they were added (User:Chestertouristcom) about them and the amount of unreferenced material that the person was adding to this and to other articles. I got no reply, either from a message on the articles' talk pages, the user's talk page, or even by email or the website that the user seemed to own (here).  DDStretch    (talk)  15:32, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

 * There's also Geograph.co.uk for "free" images (see here, for example). - Dudesleeper / Talk  15:53, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

 * I removed some images with this edit. I didn't feel they were of a befitting quality. They can always be reintroduced should the text pad out. I'm hoping to remove the gallery asap. --Jza84 | Talk  20:16, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm very happy with the removal of unsuitable images; there are still too many. Should we scrap the lot and begin again? (I've just added a new section on Landmarks and tourist attractions.) Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:14, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

The image that's used under Governance showing Cheshire - this has the new proposed boundaries, rather than the current ones. Replace? Salinae (talk) 20:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

POV: Relationships with Wales - Request for deletion
I think this section should be deleted for several reasons, firstly Associated with its proximity to Wales, Chester (Welsh: Caer) has a history of anti-Welsh sentiment (at least in repute), as discussed in this recent exchange in parliament between the local MP Christine Russell and Welsh MP David Jones:[23] 1. It's a fallacy - a Bare assertion fallacy. Just because someone says so, doesn't mean it is so. And neither does one exchange in Parliament make a hard case for hating the welsh.

2. David Jones MP became the conservative member of parliament for Clywd West in 2005. But he finished second to Chester's current MP, Christine Russell in the 2001 General Election. So if the assumption, that there is anti-welsh feeling in Chester, is to believed then Mr Jones appears to be a hypocrite and sore loser as a former prospective MP for the City of Chester.

3. Chester newspapers carry no suggestion of any anti-welsh sentiments. In fact the Evening Leader, based in Wrexham, has a Chester edition and the Chester Chronicle has Flintshire and Deeside versions. None of them have editorials suggesting any cross-border animosity.

4. Where is the the repute? Chester is not a racist city especially for welsh people. M&S used to have designated welsh speakers. What kind of anti-welsh sentiment is there?

At best this section should note the anachronistic nature of any anti-welsh feelings, this is now after all the 21st century. I don't think anyone still keeps a bow handy to kill welshmen after dark inside the city walls. Which itself is anachronistic because even at the time of the active Law in the Middle Ages, it appears that there were many Chester people who liked the Welsh so much, they put up their own money as a surety for their friend's good behaviour. See Chester Council's website.

5. This article is purporting that anti-welsh sentiments are still reputedly still in the city. For balance and NPOV this section says Chester is racist but there are no reciprocating references about the simmering anti-english/Chester feelings that manifest themselves just across the border.

Remember Saltney railway bridge English Out or the popular roadside message Welsh homes for welsh people that adorned walls along the A55. And lest we forget the firebombings in the early 1990s by Meibion Glyndŵr on estate agents in Chester.

So in all honesty DELETE! It should not be in an article about Chester. Probably the work of a Troll. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.75.196 (talk) 21:56, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

 * It does seem to be given far too much space, to be honest. If it were worthy of inclusion at all, a single line somewhere might be in order, but I see little of note in the references that are currently supposed to be verifying the material. Incidentally, your comment about people saying that something is the case doesn't make it the case is quite correct, but we should not fail to realise that wikipedia could report what those people think is the case as fact. In this instance, however, I tend to agree that the section is not particularly worty of being retained. We need a few other views first, probably.  DDStretch    (talk)  22:03, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I support deleting the section - one anecdote (no doubt largely in jest after a hard day's work at Westminster) does not make it encylopaedia-worthy, and the true history of the Welsh Marches and the County Palatine is (or rather should be) better explained elsewhere Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:23, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I agree with a deletion. Looks like a case of WP:UNDUE. --Jza84 | Talk  22:37, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Yey, fourthed or is that fifthed. Get rid of it. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:42, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Done! DDStretch   (talk)  22:51, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I object, Chester has a HISTORY of anti-settlement with the welsh which is definatly relevant. The village of Handbridge for one was once uninhabited with the welsh attacking over the old dee bridge, the welsh have also repeatedly in the past burnt down the old wooden bridge across the river dee where the Old Dee Bridge is now in place. This is part of Chester's history and just because it may not be relevant to modern day it certainly deserves it's place on the page. I would ask that the removal edit is undone. Aaron Allen (talk) 11:07, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Wasn't Chester part of Wales at one point? Now that would deserve a mention. :) --Jza84 | Talk  11:10, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * See this and this, I think. Essentially, Chester was "Welsh" up to 616AD or so. There could also be more reference made in, for example, this article and this one (both of which need some work}, so long as comments are properly referenced.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:21, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I think it was unacceptable as it stood. So, I think the deletion can stand. Now, if Azallen (Aaron Allen) thinks some section should be placed in the article, then how about this as a solution: He can create a special section here in this talk page, and then write what he thinks should be included, complete with references. I am sure that none of us would object to any relevant, verified piece of prose about it, and, it may be that, once we all see it, it can be placed in a better article. If there really is "a HISTORY of anti-settlement with the welsh which is definatly relevant", then it should be much better verified than the meagre text that was removed. So, how about it? DDStretch   (talk)  12:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Bearing in mind this, of course. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:37, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course. We may be able to jointly get a version of expanded text that could be included in one article, with summaries in other relevant ones, such as the ones you provided. In that way, more than one article wins.  DDStretch    (talk)  12:47, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I am happy to create a new section as you said which this time hopefully will be more relevant! Aaron Allen (talk) 08:49, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Well done, and good luck. Remember, we can always help you get it into shape so long as you give us the references, and they are good ones (we can suggest how you can improve them as well) So don't spend an enormous amount of time trying to get it too perfect at first go.  DDStretch    (talk)  09:30, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

3 years later I'm going to begin my work on this! Watch this space Aaron Allen (talk) 05:39, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * If it's properly referenced encyclopedic text, and of the right length - that is, not unduly long - then, good. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:57, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Serious Potential Confusion between Boughton and Great Boughton
There seems to be some confusion between two separate, yet adjacent places in or near Chester at the moment: Great Boughton is the name of a civil parish in Chester District, and yet some or even most of its information is about Boughton. Boughton, Cheshire is now an unparished area that is esssentially a suburb of Chester, though it may have been a separate village at some point. (This can be confirmed by looking at the various 1:25000 OS Survey maps.) It is adjacent to the civil parish of Great Boughton also shown on the 1:25000 OS Survey map. The content of both articles needs some serious attention as both contain a mixture of information that would be better placed in the other, and a cursory glance shows that if the names of the articles were swapped round, they may be more accurate. Finally, once that has been done, if the entry for Boughton, Cheshire is still as stub-like as it is now, I recommend that it is merged into the general Chester article. Can anyone who knows more about this specific area of Cheshire take a look at this, please? Its a similar problem that cropped up with Hoole and Hoole Village, in which the first is a suburb of Chester and unparished, and the second is a civil parish adjacent to the Hoole part of Chester. DDStretch   (talk)  13:23, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

pronunciation
Is it W'pedia style that this should be rhotic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pauldanon (talk • contribs) 23:32, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, basically. See IPA_for_English:  "In many dialects /r/ occurs only before a vowel; if you speak such a dialect, simply ignore /r/ in the pronunciation guides where you would not pronounce it." Lfh (talk) 13:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

archaeology
What is the point of this little section? It seems to suggest that the only work done in Chester was done in 2006-2007 on this small area. Either the section should be expanded to take in the vast amount of archaeology done in Chester or removed. It almost seems like someone is promoting their own dig. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.250.143.122 (talk) 13:21, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Eastgate Clock
Shouldn't there be a photo of the Eastgate Clock on this page? There are 5 photos of street scenes with black and white buildings, but none of (allegedly) the second most photographed clock in the world. There is a perfectly useable photo of the clock on its own page. PJBeef (talk 00:04, 22October 2010 (UTC)

Famous people = Beth Tweddle
Er, is the famous people section getting a little bit strained...she apparently was born in South Africa and lives out in Bunbury. This is about as a tenuous link to Chester as I can imagine. Surely this has to go. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.52.210.84 (talk) 22:49, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Apparently Tweddle, after she arrived in the UK, attended the Queens School in Chester. So yeah she was neither born here likewise she did all her gymnastics in Liverpool. It's all very tenuous and desperate. Same goes I suppose for Daniel Craig. Born in Chester, gone before one. The city press certainly claim him as one of its own. Come off it, like Tweddle tenuous at best, inclusion for names sake only. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.182.108 (talk) 14:14, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm on that basis maybe they should also include famous people who "stayed" in Chester, Richard Gere was in the Grosvenor Hotel for a while when he was making First Knight up in North Wales, also Tom Cruise was there for a couple of nights in the 90s, too. What is the actual remit for inclusion in the famous people list?? like noted above, all very debatable at best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.150.45.183 (talk) 12:37, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Demographics
> Chester has a large White British population of around 96.3% of the population. 1.2% described themselves as Asian. 1.1% described themselves as Chinese. 0.9% described themselves as Black or Black British and 0.5 are classed as other. Chester also has a large number of Christians at 84.1%. 10.4% are not stated. 4.2% are Muslim. 1.1% are Sikhs. 0.8% are Jewish. 1.7% are Buddhists. < No criticism of Moslems intended but the figure seems rather too high. According to this there must be a minimum of 0.5% white British Moslems which I would find surprising, and that would be to assume that all Sikhs were White British. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mornamont (talk • contribs) 09:30, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Industrial History
The sentence (condensed here) in the Industrial History section does not make sense: "The city village of Newton....was at the heart of this industry." What industry? or is "industry" erroneous word?Cloptonson (talk) 06:46, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Historical Timeline Potential Problem
In the lead it states that the city was fortified by the Saxons when the Romans left in the 5th Century. In later history the Britons (Welsh/Celts/Romano-British) in the 7th Century lost the city to the Anglo Saxons of Northumbria after the Battle of Chester. I cannot find any reference to the Saxons taking over Chester in the "400's" after the Romans demonstrably left Britain. There are many references to the Battle of Chester and its outcome in the early "600's" however. Does anyone have any thoughts on this please? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.43.54.42 (talk) 14:34, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Now revised to include slightly expanded details as seen on the 'History of Chester' page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.145.22 (talk) 06:21, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Civil War History 17th Centenary
I was going to make an edit to the History section but I wanted to ask first if there is a valid reason as to why the civil war period is missing from Chester's history section? It's a very important part of the history of Chester and explains a lot of the damage and missing landmarks around the city of Chester. For example some of the main attractions in Chester is the Roman gardens and the remains of the Castle, both extensively destroyed during the siege of Chester. The fact that King Charles personally oversaw the battle from the Chester battlements and the fact several historic landmarks and streets are named in honour of King Charles during that time show it's relevant here. The civil war was a very defining event in what we see of Chester today. Chester is an important location for reenactment events with some of the largest civil war reenactments taking place at the Chester racecourse annually. I can understand that there are websites and other Wikipedia pages that are dedicated to Chester in the civil war but I do feel that it should receive a mention on the main Wikipedia site because of its direct impact on Chester today. --NiR011110 (talk) 14:19, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Introductory paragraphs and medieval history
I made these changes in an effort to begin the process of helping to develop the article to a reasonable standard. I don't claim the changes are perfect - whole sentences remain unreferenced, for example - but the previous wording of the introduction gave massively undue weight to the city's Roman and medieval history. I have (I hope) not removed anything significant, but simply moved text into the later history sections of the main article. All I can say is that I think that my version is an improvement on the previous version. A lot more work is needed, but I hope this can be the start of a collaborative process of improvement. I am happy to help - I know Chester fairly well, but have few sources on it myself. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:37, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your edits. There is a problem of an editor who swoops into an article, radically removes what they think are excess words, and then leaves But they return again, if one has reverted them and asked for discussion because one disagrees with what has been removed by them, and just reverts again to reinstate their deletions. This breaks the WP:BRD cycle, because the deletions they do are never discussed by them, even when discussion is asked for. I encounter this from the same editor in periodic bouts on articles I watch. I must apologize to you if the changes you made have been a victim of this deletion. I am pleased that you are doing things the correct way. I think you can improve this article considerably. Unfortunately, I am in China and all my local history books are back in the UK, so I can do only limited things myself.  DDStretch    (talk)  10:07, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

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Chester, Wales?
isn't half of the city in England and half of it in Wales?--94.193.245.38 (talk) 21:59, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

 * No. The city is in England, but part of the suburb of Saltney extends over the border into Flintshire in Wales.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:08, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

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Aerial photo
The Environment Agency has released a lot of free aerial photography, and they have quite a lot of Chester (annoyingly, the corner of the walls is cut off, and it runs northwest-southeast following the river). Would this fit in the article anywhere? Smurrayinchester 21:35, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

The Geography section seems the obvious place to add it. Feel free to add it with a suitable caption. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 23:09, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

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Population
I am very unclear what the population estimate currently purporting to be the 2011 census figure actually comes from. The given source is a Telegraph puff piece, which seems inadequate. A figure of 118,600 was given by Cheshire County Council for the 2005 estimated population of the "Chester City" area ("Chester City covers much of the west of Cheshire, encompassing an  area  of  some  44,800  hectares ... comprises the city of Chester and the towns  and  villages  of  Elton, Tarvin, Tattenhall, Malpas, together with a large rural area particularly to the south of Chester"), with 77,040 in the "Greater Chester urban area".

The 2011 census figures from the spreadsheet linked at the Cheshire West & Chester website are 79,645 for the "Chester Locality" which looks plausible for a 6-year increment on 77,040.

The census atlas for CW&C suggests that the Chester urban area might cover ten wards: Blacon, Garden Quarter, Chester City, Boughton, Handbridge Park, Lache, Newton, Hoole, Great Boughton, Upton, which I've just extracted and summed in Excel to get 79,645.

As a side issue, the 2011 census figure used in List of Cheshire settlements by population comes from citypopulation.de, which gives 86,011.

Can anyone shed any light? If nobody has any better ideas I'd be minded to go with 79,645 but it's a big change to a long-established figure. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:24, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

 * The larger figure covers a much bigger area than what we normally regard as Chester, and I agree that 79,645 is more realistic estimation of the true figure. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:25, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I changed it, but it was shortly afterwards changed back by an IP. I've just undone that edit but doubt it will stick. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:08, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-Protection Edit Request
Regarding the discussion immediately above, an IP editor has persistently (7 times in the last 8 days) edited the page to change Chester's last census population from the correct figure of 79,645 to a much higher (and unsubstantiated) figure. They have not responded to invitations to discuss their claim here, so I would like to propose that this page is protected against further IP edits — Old Wittonian (talk) 17:14, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Full-protection-shackle-no-text.svg Not done: requests for increases to the page protection level should be made at Requests for page protection. ‑‑ El Hef  ( Meep? ) 17:27, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. Thank you for the clarification — Old Wittonian (talk) 18:49, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2019
In the section "Railways" please change "Virgin Trains" to "Avanti West Coast". As of yesterday, Virgin Trains is no longer in operation and has been replaced by Avanti West Coast. 82.0.161.78 (talk) 19:55, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ MadGuy7023 (talk) 21:29, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 August 2020
UNDER: ==See also== ADD:
 * Chester (placename element) for other place names containing 'Chester', 'Cester', 'Caster' etc

There is currently no link on this page for people seeking similar place names with Roman origins Chrisnd (talk) 10:57, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. There is an argument that this is unnecessary, as the disambiguation page linked in the hatnote will eventually take you to that page, but I think that the suggested "See also" link is clearer and simpler.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:29, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Amphitheatre
It is stated to be undergoing archaeological investigation - but from the Chester Roman Amphitheatre Wikipedia page this has been long since completed. A slight rephrasing perhaps (if some investigations are ongoing). Jackiespeel (talk) 15:36, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 September 2021
Notable People - ADD - Nicola Orme (1981-), Co-founder, Queens of Archive (Fashion) 185.219.106.138 (talk) 11:47, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: They have to be notable enough for a wikipedia article to be included. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:53, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 October 2021
I'd like to add a recent high quality image of Central Chester.

GJMarshy (talk) 20:17, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , when making an edit request, you should say exactly where you'd like the picture to be added. But, as you're now autoconfirmed, you can make the change yourself. Happy editing! --Ferien (talk) 11:34, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2022
I would like Michael Owen to be included among "Notable people". Olympicbandy (talk) 15:38, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
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Chester Regatta
There is no mention of Chester Regatta, believed to be the oldest rowing regatta in the world and held since 1733 on stretches of the River Dee upriver from Sandy Lane. The regatta is usually held on a Saturday in June and has been held every year apart from unavoidable interruptions caused by wars and the recent pandemic. 95.145.39.104 (talk) 18:01, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

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Roddy McDowall

Roderick Andrew Anthony Jude McDowall (17 September 1928 – 3 October 1998) was a British and American actor, whose career spanned over 270 screen and stage roles across over 60 years. Born in London, he began his acting career as a child in his native England, before moving to the United States at the outbreak of World War II. He achieved prominence for his starring roles in How Green Was My Valley (1941), My Friend Flicka (1943), and Lassie Come Home (1943). Unlike many of his contemporaries, McDowall managed to transition his child stardom into adulthood, and began to appear on Broadway as well as in films, winning a Tony Award for his performance in Jean Anouilh's The Fighting Cock. For portraying Octavian in the historical epic Cleopatra (1963), he was nominated for a Golden Globe Award.

McDowall was also known for playing Cornelius and Caesar in the original Planet of the Apes film series, as well as Galen in the short-lived spin-off television series. His other notable films included Orson Welles' Macbeth (1948), The Longest Day (1962), The Greatest Story Ever Told (1965), That Darn Cat! (1965), Inside Daisy Clover (1965), Bedknobs and Broomsticks (1971), The Poseidon Adventure (1972), Funny Lady (1975), The Black Hole (1979), Fright Night (1985) and its sequel Fright Night Part 2 (1988), Overboard (1987), Shakma (1990) and A Bug's Life (1998). He was also a frequent guest star on many television series, and won an Emmy Award for a 1961 episode of NBC Sunday Showcase.

McDowall also served in various positions on the Board of Governors for the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences and the Selection Committee for the Kennedy Center Honors, further contributing to various charities related to the film industry and film preservation. He was a founding Member of the National Film Preservation Board in 1989, and represented the Screen Actors Guild on this Board until his death. Aside from his acting career, McDowall was also active as a photographer and journalist, particularly of celebrities.

For his contributions to the film and television industry, he received a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

Early life
McDowall was born at 204 Herne Hill Road, Herne Hill, London, the only son of London-born Thomas Andrew McDowall (1896–1978), a merchant seaman of distant Scottish descent, and his Irish wife Winifred (née Corcoran). Both of his parents were enthusiastic about the theatre. He and his elder sister, Virginia, were raised in their mother's Catholic faith. He attended St Joseph's College, Beulah Hill, Upper Norwood, a Roman Catholic secondary school in London.

British films
After appearing as a child model as a baby, McDowall appeared in several films as a boy. After winning an acting prize in a school play at age nine, he started appearing in films: Murder in the Family (1938), I See Ice (1938) with George Formby, John Halifax (1938) and Scruffy (1938).

McDowall appeared in Convict 99 (1938) and Hey! Hey! USA (1938) with Will Hay, Yellow Sands (1938), The Outsider (1939), Murder Will Out (1939), Dead Man's Shoes (1940), Just William (1940), Saloon Bar (1940), You Will Remember (1941), and This England (1941).

Early US films
McDowall's family moved to the United States in 1940 after the outbreak of World War II. He became a naturalized United States citizen on 9 December 1949, and lived in the United States for the rest of his life. McDowall served in the 67th Armored Battalion of the U.S. Army's Organized Reserve Corps (headquartered in Los Angeles) from 1946 to 1954, spanning the end of World War II to the Korean War. He later served in the 77th Infantry Division between 1960 and 1962.

McDowall's American career began with a part in the 1941 thriller Man Hunt, directed by Fritz Lang. It was made by 20th Century Fox, which also produced McDowall's next film How Green Was My Valley (1941), where he met and became lifelong friends with actress Maureen O'Hara. The film won the Academy Award for Best Picture, and McDowall's role as Huw Morgan made him a household name.

Fox put him in another war film, Confirm or Deny (1941), then he played Tyrone Power as a boy in Son of Fury: The Story of Benjamin Blake (1942).

Stardom
Fox promoted McDowall to top billing for On the Sunny Side (1942). He was billed second to Monty Woolley in The Pied Piper (1942), playing a war orphan, then he had top billing again for an adaptation of My Friend Flicka (1942).

Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer borrowed McDowall for the star role in Lassie Come Home (1943), a film that introduced Elizabeth Taylor, an actress who became another lifelong friend. MGM kept him on to play a leading role in The White Cliffs of Dover (1944).

Back at Fox, he played Gregory Peck as a young man in The Keys of the Kingdom (1944). In 1944, exhibitors voted McDowall the number four "Star of Tomorrow".

Fox gave McDowall another starring vehicle with Thunderhead – Son of Flicka (1945). The studio reunited him with Woolley in Molly and Me (1945), which was made as an attempt to turn Gracie Fields into a Hollywood star.

McDowall returned to MGM to support Walter Pidgeon in Holiday in Mexico (1946).

Theatre
McDowall turned to the theatre, taking the title role of Young Woodley in a summer stock production in Westport, Connecticut in July 1946.

In 1947, he played Malcolm in Orson Welles's stage production of Macbeth in Salt Lake City, and he played the same role in the actor-director's film version in 1948.

Monogram Pictures
McDowall then signed a three-year contract with Monogram Pictures, a low-budget studio that welcomed established stars, to make two films a year.

McDowall starred in seven films for them, for which he also worked as associate producer: Rocky (1948), a boy and dog story directed by Phil Karlson; Kidnapped (1948), an adaptation of the Robert Louis Stevenson story, where he played David Balfour, directed by William Beaudine; Tuna Clipper (1949), a fishing tale, again directed by Beaudine; Black Midnight (1949), a horse story directed by Budd Boetticher; Killer Shark (1950), a shark hunting tale, again with Boetticher; Big Timber (1950), as a logger; The Steel Fist (1952), an anti-communist drama.

1950s: Television and theatre
McDowall left Hollywood to move to New York City. He began appearing on television, notably shows like Celanese Theatre, Broadway Television Theatre, Medallion Theatre, Campbell Summer Soundstage, Armstrong Circle Theatre, Encounter, Robert Montgomery Presents (including an adaptation of Great Expectations where he played Pip), The Elgin Hour, Ponds Theater, General Electric Theater, The Kaiser Aluminum Hour, Lux Video Theatre, Goodyear Playhouse, The Alcoa Hour, Kraft Theatre, Matinee Theatre, Suspicion, Playhouse 90 (in an adaptation of Heart of Darkness), The United States Steel Hour, The DuPont Show of the Month (an adaptation of Billy Budd) and The Twilight Zone (the episode "People Are Alike All Over").

McDowall also had significant success on the Broadway stage. He was in a production of Misalliance (1953) that ran for 130 performances and which McDowall said "broke the mould" in how he was judged as an actor.

He followed it with Escapade (1953) with Carroll Baker and Brian Aherne; Ira Levin's No Time for Sergeants  (1955–57), which was a huge hit; Diary of a Scoundrel (1956); and Good as Gold (1957).

He had a big critical success with Compulsion (1957–58) based on Leopold and Loeb – although McDowall was not cast in the film version. He followed it with Handful of Fire (1958), Noël Coward's Look After Lulu! (1959) and Peter Brook's The Fighting Cock (1960). The latter earned him a Tony Award.

1960: Return to Hollywood
McDowall was in another big Broadway hit when he played Mordred in the musical Camelot (1960–63) with Julie Andrews and Richard Burton.

He played Ariel in a TV production of The Tempest (1960) with Richard Burton and Maurice Evans, then appeared in his first film in almost a decade, The Subterraneans (1960). He followed it with Midnight Lace (1960).

McDowall continued to work on television in shows such as Sunday Showcase, Naked City, and Play of the Week. He was in a TV production of The Power and the Glory (1961) with Laurence Olivier, George C. Scott and Julie Harris.

In 1963, McDowall appeared as Octavian in the film production of Cleopatra, which starred Elizabeth Taylor. While filming in Europe, he appeared in Fox's war film The Longest Day (1962). He continued to guest on television series such as Arrest and Trial, The Alfred Hitchcock Hour, The Eleventh Hour, Kraft Suspense Theatre, Combat!, Ben Casey, Twelve O'Clock High, Run for Your Life, The Invaders, and appeared as a Special Guest Villain as The Bookworm on Batman.

He had supporting roles in Fox's Shock Treatment (1964) and United Artists' The Greatest Story Ever Told (1965). He was third billed in The Third Day (1965) and received billing as a member of the ensemble cast in The Loved One (1965). McDowall went to Disney for That Darn Cat! (1965) and had a role in Inside Daisy Clover (1965).

McDowall was given a starring role in Lord Love a Duck (1966). He also appeared in The Defector (1966) and returned briefly to Broadway for The Astrakhan Coat (1967).

Disney gave him the star role in The Adventures of Bullwhip Griffin (1967) and he was top billed in The Cool Ones (1967) and It! (1967). He was in a TV production of Saint Joan (1967) and provided the voice for Cricket on the Hearth (1967). He guest-starred in the series The Felony Squad.

In 1968, McDowall appeared in one of his memorable roles when he was cast in Planet of the Apes as the ape Cornelius. He appeared in three sequels and a TV spin-off from the film.

He was Prince John in The Legend of Robin Hood (1968) for TV, and appeared in 5 Card Stud (1968), Journey to the Unknown, It Takes a Thief, Midas Run (1969), Hello Down There (1969), Angel, Angel, Down We Go (1969), Night Gallery (1969), The Name of the Game and Medical Center.

1970s
McDowall made his debut as director with The Ballad of Tam Lin (1970).

As an actor he was in Pretty Maids All in a Row (1971). McDowall was not in the first Apes sequel but was in the second, Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1971). He was in the television film Terror in the Sky (1971), What's a Nice Girl Like You...? (1971) and A Taste of Evil (1971) and Disney's Bedknobs and Broomsticks (1971).

He guest starred on Ironside, The Carol Burnett Show, Columbo (1972, "Short Fuse"), The Delphi Bureau, The Rookies, Mission: Impossible, Barnaby Jones and McCloud.

McDowall made his third Apes film with 1972's Conquest of the Planet of the Apes. He had supporting roles in The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean (1972) and The Poseidon Adventure (1972) and starred in a pilot that did not go to series, Topper Returns (1973), and The Legend of Hell House (1973).

His final Apes film was Battle for the Planet of the Apes (1973). He also appeared in McMillan & Wife, Love, American Style, Arnold (1973), a remake of Miracle on 34th Street (1973), The Elevator (1974), and The Snoop Sisters also (1974) an uncredited appearance as a grocery store manager in the film Dirty Mary Crazy Larry.

He starred in the short lived TV spin-off series of Planet of the Apes (1974). During a guest appearance on The Carol Burnett Show, he came onstage in his Planet of the Apes makeup and performed a love duet with Burnett.

Asked about his career in a 1975 interview, McDowall said "I just hope to keep working and in interesting things."

Late 1970s
For the rest of the 1970s, McDowall alternated between features, TV films and TV series. Features included Funny Lady (1975), Mean Johnny Barrows (1976), Embryo (1976), Sixth and Main (1977), Laserblast (1978), Rabbit Test (1978), The Cat from Outer Space (1978) for Disney, Circle of Iron (1978), Scavenger Hunt (1979), Nutcracker Fantasy (1979) (doing voice over for the English language edition), and Disney's The Black Hole (1979) in which he voiced one of the robot roles.

TV series included Police Woman, Mowgli's Brothers, Harry O, The Feather and Father Gang, Wonder Woman, Flying High, The Love Boat, $weepstake$, Supertrain, Hart to Hart, A Man Called Sloane, Trapper John, M.D. (the pilot episode), Buck Rogers in the 25th Century ("Planet of the Slave Girls") and Mork & Mindy. He also had a regular role in the short-lived sci-fi series The Fantastic Journey (1977).

TV films included Flood! (1977), The Rhinemann Exchange (1978), The Immigrants (1978), and The Thief of Baghdad (1978).

Early 1980s
McDowall's TV film /miniseries work in the 1980s included The Martian Chronicles (1980), The Memory of Eva Ryker (1980), The Return of the King (1980) (on which he did voice over work), Tales of the Gold Monkey (1980),The Million Dollar Face (1981), Judgement Day (1981), Twilight Theatre (1982), Mae West (1982), This Girl for Hire (1983), The Zany Adventures of Robin Hood (1984), London and Davis in New York (1984), Hollywood Wives (1985), and Alice in Wonderland (1985).

TV series included Boomer and Miss 21st Century, Fantasy Island (several times), Faerie Tale Theatre, Tales of the Gold Monkey (a series regular), Small and Frye, Hotel, and George Burns Comedy Week.

McDowall's features included Charlie Chan and the Curse of the Dragon Queen (1981), Evil Under the Sun (1982), Class of 1984 (1984), and the cult classic horror Fright Night (1985).

Voice-over work and late 1980s
McDowall had voice over roles in Zoo Ship (1985), GoBots: Battle of the Rock Lords (1986), and The Wind in the Willows (1987). TV series included Bridges to Cross (1986) (in which McDowall was a regular), The Wizard, Murder, She Wrote, Matlock, and Nightmare Classics, and TV films included Remo Williams: The Prophecy and Around the World in 80 Days (1989).

In 1987, he had supporting roles in Dead of Winter and Overboard, on which he also served as executive producer. Other features included Doin' Time on Planet Earth (1988), Fright Night Part 2 (1989), The Big Picture (1989), Cutting Class (1989), and Heroes Stand Alone (1989).

In 1989, he said "I feel as Henry Fonda did that every job I get may be my last. I'm one of those creatures born to be working. I feel better when I'm working. I don't like it when I'm not working and I've never worked as much as I want to."

1990s
McDowall's 1990s work included The Color of Evening (1990), Shakma (1990), Going Under (1990), An Inconvenient Woman (1991), Earth Angel (1991), Deadly Game (1991), The Naked Target (1992), Double Trouble (1992), The New Lassie (1992), Quantum Leap (A Leap for Lisa) (1992), The Evil Inside Me (1993), I Strahd: The Memoirs of a Vampaire (1993 audio book), Dream On, Heads (1994), Hart to Hart: Home Is Where the Hart Is (1994), Mirror, Mirror 2: Raven Dance (1994), Burke's Law, Angel 4: Undercover (1994), The Alien Within (1995), The Grass Harp (1995), Last Summer in the Hamptons (1995), Bullet Hearts (1996), Star Hunter (1996), It's My Party (1996), Tracey Takes On..., Dead Man's Island, Remember WENN, Unlikely Angel (1996), The Second Jungle Book: Mowgli & Baloo (1997), Something to Believe In (1998), and Loss of Faith (1998).

He voiced the Mad Hatter in the DC Animated Universe. He also did voice work for The Pirates of Dark Water (1991–92), Timmy's Gift: A Precious Moments Christmas (1992), Camp Candy, The Legend of Prince Valiant (1992), Darkwing Duck (1992), 2 Stupid Dogs, Swat Kats: The Radical Squadron, Red Planet, The Tick, Galaxy Beat, Gargoyles, Duckman, Pinky and the Brain, A Bug's Life (1998), and Godzilla: The Series.

He was the subject of This Is Your Life in 1993, when he was surprised by Michael Aspel at the Pacific Design Center in West Hollywood.

In 1997, McDowall hosted the MGM Musicals Tribute at Carnegie Hall.

Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences
McDowall served for several years in various capacities on the Board of Governors of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, the organisation that presents the Oscar Awards, and on the selection committee for the Kennedy Center Awards. He was Chairman of the Actors' Branch for five terms. He was elected President of the Academy Foundation in 1998, the year that he died. He worked to support the Motion Pictures Retirement Home, where a rose garden named in his honour was officially dedicated on 9 October 2001 and remains a part of the campus.

Photographer and author
McDowall received recognition as a photographer, working with Look, Vogue, Collier's, and Life. His work includes a cover story on Mae West for Life and the cover of the 1964 Barbra Streisand album, The Third Album. He took the photograph when Streisand performed on The Judy Garland Show in October 1963.

He published five books of photographs, each featuring photos and profile interviews of his celebrity friends interviewing each other, such as Elizabeth Taylor, Judy Garland, Judy Holliday, Maureen O'Hara, Katharine Hepburn, Lauren Bacall, and others. It started with Double Exposure in 1968.

Personal life
McDowall was a Democrat and supported Adlai Stevenson's campaign during the 1952 presidential election.

In 1974, the FBI raided McDowall's home and seized his collection of films and television series in the course of an investigation into film piracy and copyright infringement. His collection consisted of 160 16-mm prints and more than 1,000 video cassettes, at a time before the era of commercial videotapes, when there was no legal aftermarket for films. McDowall had purchased Errol Flynn's home cinema films and transferred them all to tape for longer-lasting archival storage. No charges were filed.

McDowall never married or had children. In Full Service: My Adventures in Hollywood and the Secret Sex Lives of the Stars (2012) by Scotty Bowers, a famous Hollywood procurer, Bowers claims McDowall was one of his homosexual clients.

McDowall was in a relationship with American actor Montgomery Clift for several years in the early 1950s.

Death
On 3 October 1998 at age 70, McDowall died of lung cancer at his home in Studio City, California. His body was cremated and his ashes were scattered into the Pacific Ocean on 7 October 1998 off Los Angeles County. Dennis Osborne, a screenwriter, had cared for McDowall in his final months, and was quoted as saying, "It was very peaceful. It was just as he wanted it. It was exactly the way he planned."

Stage

 * Young Woodley (1946)
 * Macbeth (1947)
 * Misalliance (1953)
 * Escapade (1953)
 * Julius Caesar (1955)
 * The Tempest (1955)

 * No Time for Sergeants (1955)
 * Good as Gold (1957)
 * Compulsion (1957)
 * Handful of Fire (1958)
 * Look After Lulu (1959)

 * The Fighting Cock (1959)
 * Camelot (1960)
 * The Astrakhan Coat (1967)
 * Charlie's Aunt (1975)
 * Dial M for Murder (1995–1996)
 * A Christmas Carol: The Musical (1997)

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Didn't Switzerland recently become a full UN member? - stewacide 12:21 Jan 1, 2003 (UTC)

 * Yes, Switzerland -- (September 10 2002). I deleted it from the observer states list.

The picture is labelled with copyright info, and labelled Must Credit Author on its image page: this appears inconsistent with the GFDL, so I will remove it. Can the author of this picture donate it under the GFDL, please? Arthur Frayn

Not sure about violations of GFDL. But the UN allows use of photographs for editoral/education purposes and NOT for advertising or publication, without payment. --PY

Sadly, that's the kind of restriction the GFDL is incompatible with. I have found a picture from the U.S. Government NARA site, which appears to be in the public domain, to replace this with. Arthur Frayn

That's good. --PY

I think we should move the observer list to United Nations member states--Saint-Paddy 17:14, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Were there any resolutions introduced in UN General Assembly condemning US military actions during/after the US invasion of Iraq ?

location, location, location?
can someone please add some details of where these general assemblies are held. are they usually in one or more set place(s), or do they move around, and if so, what factors decide the location?

 * They meet generally in New York and occasionally in Geneva.

-G

 * A lot of questions are answered at the general assembly faq, some of which could be incorporated into the article.Goatchurch 10:06, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Sadam to Putin: What do you mean the hazard from the radiation of nuclear wastes? you are my good representave in the world. --111.252.71.248 (talk) 20:08, 26 October 2014 (UTC)Hsiao Hsian Li October 27,2014

111.252.71.248 Bong29 (talk) 14:16, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

naman
Anyone shed light on what naman means? User:Brenont 18:56, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Always a Brazilian Claim
It is getting quite annoying that people keep removing the widely well known fact that the first speaker of the General Assembly is always a Brazilian delegate. Nevertheless, when I added this bit for the first time, I took care to mention the sources but seems that people keep removing them:

 * From the Brazilian Minstry of Foreing Affairs
 * Just check the UN website for past transcripts and you'll find that in every General Assembly Session, the first is always a Brazilian

This is a wide well known fact amongst people that have a little knowledge about the UN General Assembly. Now, if people editing this article is anware of the matter, that doesn't mean it is wrong. Just have a look around, otherwise it just look like an interesting tradition about the Assembly is being undermined (politics, perhaps?) --Pinnecco 20:15, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Srgjan Kerim
Why does the infobox list him as being from the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia? if no one can come up with a reason I plan on changing in to the correct Republic of Macedonia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Schrandit (talk • contribs) 17:25, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

 * The constitutional name is Republic of Macedonia, but the name used by the UN itself is "the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" (alphabetized under "t"!). Some editors feel that this means we should follow the UN's naming convention in articles about the UN, even though we use the other name elsewhere. I'm personally not enthusiastic about that rule, but it came out as sort-of-consensus in the latest rounds of discussion, while trying to come up with a set of naming conventions at WP:MOSMAC. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

GA Subsidiary bodies
If you go and count every GA subsidiary body as shown in the following website- http://www.un.org/ga/about/subsidiary_organs.shtml you will get:

GA ad hoc Committee	7 GA Advisory Commission	1 GA Advisory Committee	3 GA Advisory Committee	6 GA Committee	       15 GA Council	       2 GA Executive Committee	1 GA Governing Council	2 GA High-level Committee	1 GA Open-ended Ad Hoc Working Group	4 GA Other	       3 GA Panel	       1 GA Special Committee	4 GA Working Group	3

Or if you prefer:

Commission	1 Committee	37 Council	       4 Other	       3 Panel	       1 Working Group	7

Both tables exclude the six main committees. But the data is clearly at odds with the information presented. Foremost, the UN website says there is "only" one commission (as opposed to seven). Some of the others, although were created by the GA, are not GA bodies proper (they report to other bodies such as the Security Council, the Secretariat or ECOSOC), and are thus not subsidiary bodies to the GA.

I do not know (yet) how to properly present this information. Just to note what is presented is erroneous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.104.17.63 (talk) 19:11, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Proposed United Nations Fourth Committee merge
Since the above-mentioned article has been stub-length for over two years, I think it would be better here.--Miniapolis (talk) 20:12, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * oppose we ought to have articles on each committee. I t can include its function and a table of annual members and presidents.Lihaas (talk) 11:32, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Members
Are the members of the General Assembly their country's ambassador to the UN? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.67.162.18 (talk) 20:55, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Each member state has a delegation, headed by a Permanent Representative, that is also called an Ambassador by some. Should that be further discussed in this article? --$\color{Blue}\mathcal{M}$$\color{Blue}\vec{( e\ ,}$$\color{Blue}t )$ = ? 21:32, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The members of the General Assembly are countries, not individuals. Each country has the right to be represented at Assembly sessions by a delegation consisting of up to five members and five alternate members. This is spelled out in the Rules of the General Assembly. Typically the leader of the delegation will be the Permanent Representative of the Member State to the United Nations, who will have ambassadorial rank. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:35, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Improvement Suggestions?
Hey everyone, I'm going to work on this article to try and fix it up to GA status. Mostly going to focus on citations, but I plan to fix up general content as well. Any suggestions would be very much welcomed! kaireky (talk) 19:29, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * There should be a section on the General Assembly President, not much is said in that article either on the functions etc. of the President, or his Vice-Presidents. I noticed that some people started writing articles on the sessions of the General Assembly, something on those could be added (68th, for example). And the article List of current Permanent Representatives to the United Nations should be given some exposure, as it lists the people who actually compose the General Assembly. Just from the top of my head. --$\color{Blue}\mathcal{M}$$\color{Blue}\vec{( e\ ,}$$\color{Blue}t )$ 19:56, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'll make sure to make sure work those in, they make sense. There definitely needs to be information on the President, and what I add to this article I'll make sure to add to the UNGA President page as well. kaireky (talk) 00:43, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Looking at the article, here's how I think the sections should look:

 * 1) History
 * 2) Membership (this is where List of Permanent Representatives to the United Nations would be linked to)
 * 3) Officers (President and Vice-Presidents)
 * 4) Procedures (Agenda, Special Sessions, Emergency Special Sessions, and Seating in the GA merge into this section)
 * 5) Functions and Powers (Elections merges into this section)
 * 6) Resolutions
 * 7) Subsidiary Organs
 * 8) General Assembly Reform

Ideas? kaireky (talk) 00:43, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks good, but the powers and functions of the General Assembly per se are not covered in any one section, this information is scattered over the article and not really comprehensive. And a Membership section should definitely link to both Member states of the United Nations and Enlargement of the United Nations.--$\color{Blue}\mathcal{M}$$\color{Blue}\vec{( e\ ,}$$\color{Blue}t )$ 10:00, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh and yes I intend to add information in these, not just move stuff around. Once I took the time to really read through the whole thing I realised it was somewhat of a mess. The UNGA website has a whole section on functions and powers, information which is not given anywhere in the current version of the article. Thanks for the page links as well, since I'm still rather new I don't quite know what all pages there are that directly relate to what. kaireky (talk) 02:12, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Reform of the United Nations General Assembly
Content would be more appropriate in the existing section of the main article. Pam D  08:53, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

United Nations Body Members
how many members of the United Nations are there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.219.15.28 (talk) 21:26, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * How many NATIONS on this planet are there, really? MaynardClark (talk) 03:32, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Sustainable Development Goals
In the 70th Session of the 5th plenary meeting of the UN General Assembly, international organizational supporters of the Sustainable Development Goals of the post-2015 Development Agenda made public statements. Can this be integrated into this or another article (typically in at least one central article)?

MaynardClark (talk) 03:32, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

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(Mentioned above in 2007.) I’d like to see a better list of where they met before New York. And maybe some “world” views on what it’s like to have to go to New York. NB the link in that section (above) fails (for me). — Preceding unsigned comment added by MBG02 (talk • contribs) 04:22, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * PS I was expecting to get this info at History of the United Nations, but this article has more. MBG02 (talk) 04:30, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

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The League of Gentlemen

The League of Gentlemen is a surreal British comedy horror sitcom that premiered on BBC Two in 1999. The programme is set in Royston Vasey, a fictional town in northern England, originally based on Alston, Cumbria, and follows the lives of bizarre characters, most of whom are played by three of the show's four writers – Mark Gatiss, Steve Pemberton, and Reece Shearsmith – who, along with Jeremy Dyson, formed the League of Gentlemen comedy troupe in 1995. The series originally aired for three series from 1999 until 2002, and was followed by a film The League of Gentlemen's Apocalypse and a stage production The League of Gentlemen Are Behind You!, both in 2005.

The BBC announced in August 2017 that three new episodes would be produced to commemorate the 20th anniversary of the group's first appearance on BBC Radio 4. The aforementioned episodes aired on BBC2 on 18–20 December 2017.

The series was filmed mainly in Hadfield, Derbyshire; other locations include Bacup, Lancashire; Glossop, Gamesley, and Hope Valley in Derbyshire; Marsden, Todmorden, and Sowerby Bridge in West Yorkshire; and Mottram in Greater Manchester.

History
Three of the four members of the League of Gentlemen (Steve Pemberton, Mark Gatiss and Reece Shearsmith) met at Bretton Hall College of Education. They met their final member – Jeremy Dyson – later in their comedy career. He does not act as such in the franchise but does have a few small/ cameo roles throughout the series. The stage show began in late 1994, and it was not long before the team took as their name the title of a 1960 Jack Hawkins film, The League of Gentlemen. In 1997, they were awarded the Perrier award for comedy at the Edinburgh Festival Fringe and their radio series On the Town with the League of Gentlemen, debuted on BBC Radio 4. On the Town was set in the fictional town of Spent. They won a Sony Award for this six-episode run. In 1999 the show moved to television and quickly acquired a cult following; three series were produced, the first airing in 1999, the second in 2000 and the third in 2002. A Christmas special was broadcast in December 2000, after the airing of the second series. For television, Spent was renamed Royston Vasey – the given name of comedian Roy Chubby Brown, who appears in the series, notably as the Mayor of Royston Vasey in series 2. Its influence can be seen on later series, particularly Little Britain (the first series of which was directed by Steve Bendelack and script-edited by Gatiss).

Filming took place mainly on location in the north Derbyshire town of Hadfield and consequently had no live audience. A laugh track was added to the first and second series, by inviting a studio audience to watch a playback of the completed episodes as well as the filming of certain interior scenes, such as the Dentons'. The laughter track was dropped from the Christmas Special and series 3 when shown in the United Kingdom.

The group took the show on tour for the first time in 2001, using a mixture of old and new material. In early 2005 a special one-off sketch was broadcast on the BBC for Comic Aid, a charity benefit for the tsunami disaster. In this, two of the most popular characters, Tubbs and Papa Lazarou, kidnapped Miranda Richardson. A feature-length film, The League of Gentlemen's Apocalypse, was released on 3 June 2005. Later in the same year, the League toured the UK with their new pantomime-themed show, The League of Gentlemen Are Behind You!, which ran from October to mid-December.

In September 2006, the unofficial website reported that The League of Gentlemen were to 'reunite' at the beginning of 2007, most likely to plan for the fourth series. Shearsmith and Pemberton appeared on The Russell Brand Show on 22 December 2006. When asked "Will there be any more of The League of Gentlemen?", Shearsmith simply replied "Yes" but was quick to change the subject and not reveal anything about a new series. On the official website, Shearsmith's blog entry for 23 May 2007 stated that the troupe had recently met up in London's West End: "We discussed our next project – it seems we have hit upon something. Early days – but exciting nevertheless."

Shearsmith and Pemberton later collaborated to create another dark comedy series, Psychoville (2009); Gatiss appeared in one episode. In May 2008, Shearsmith confirmed that although he and Pemberton would be making Psychoville without the other members of the League, the League would reunite in the future. The three also performed together in the fourth series of Horrible Histories, in which they play American film producers who hear film pitches from historical figures. Shearsmith and Pemberton also wrote and starred in the black comedy anthology series Inside No. 9, which premiered on BBC Two in 2014. In 2022, Gatiss appeared in one episode.

A one-off radio show, The League of Gentlemen's Ghost Chase, was broadcast on 28 October 2010 for Halloween. Unlike other shows, this was not a scripted dark comedy but a documentary of the members spending a night at the Ancient Ram Inn, reputedly the most haunted hotel in the country.

Speaking to BBC Radio 6 in October 2016, Mark Gatiss spoke about the desire of the creators to revive the programme in some form with Brexit forming a suitable background to revive it.

In April 2017, both Gatiss and Shearsmith confirmed that the programme would be returning for an anniversary special. The BBC announced in August 2017 that three special new episodes were to be produced, to be aired in December 2017.

Writing and inspiration
One source of inspiration is the town of Alston in Cumbria. Gatiss has said in interview that the local shop was inspired by a shop in the village of Rottingdean in East Sussex, and that he was influenced growing up around the former Winterton Hospital asylum near Sedgefield in County Durham.

The majority of the inhabitants of the village – male and female – are played by Reece Shearsmith, Steve Pemberton, and Mark Gatiss, and the script was written by these three, along with Jeremy Dyson. Dyson, not an actor like the others, appears only in cameo roles. As there are usually only three actors on screen at any one time, the different characters mostly play out their own stories in several serialised sketches, rarely crossing into each other's storylines. Only rarely do actors "meet themselves". Exceptions include Papa Lazarou facing the Reverend Bernice in the Christmas Special (both Reece Shearsmith), Les McQueen buying a magazine from Pop's son (both Mark Gatiss), and Alvin Steele buying food from Iris at a supermarket checkout in Series 2 (again, both Mark Gatiss). The idea is taken further in The League of Gentlemen's Apocalypse, when the characters meet the actors (especially when Herr Lipp meets his creator, Steve Pemberton). In the live shows, when Pam Doove was auditioning for a part in the Christmas Nativity Play, directed by Ollie Plimsolls, Pam had to audition in front of Ollie's Legz Akimbo colleague Dave (Pemberton), who said that Ollie couldn't make it "for obvious reasons" (Shearsmith plays both Pam and Ollie in the television series).

Royston Vasey
Royston Vasey is a fictional English town featured in the BBC television comedy series The League of Gentlemen. The exterior shots for the series were filmed in Hadfield, Derbyshire, and, according to the writers of the series, the town is based on Alston in Cumbria. The preceding radio series On the Town with the League of Gentlemen was set in the equally fictional and almost identical town of Spent.

Royston Vasey draws on the upbringing of all the League of Gentlemen's members – Mark Gatiss, Steve Pemberton, Reece Shearsmith and Jeremy Dyson – all of whom were raised in the north of England. Royston Vasey is the real name of British stand-up comedian Roy Chubby Brown. Brown played the part of the town's mayor in a cameo appearance.

Description
The town as it appears in the TV show has a sign which ominously declares "Welcome to Royston Vasey. You'll never leave!" The first building many visitors come across is the "Local Shop". The Local Shop is located some distance from the town itself on a lonely hilltop moor.

Events in the fictional town
In the first television series of The League of Gentlemen a construction company called PQ Construction threatens the isolation of Royston Vasey by building a "New Road" near the Local Shop. The project is first delayed when a monster (later revealed to be parts of a goat, a pig and a chimp crudely stitched together by Edward Tattsyrup) is unearthed on the construction site and comes to an end in the final episode when the owner of PQ Construction, David Tattsyrup, is revealed to be the son of Edward and Tubbs who convince him to "live locally".

In the second series Royston Vasey receives visits from both a travelling circus and a group of German exchange students. The town becomes gradually overrun by a deadly nosebleed epidemic which causes a high percentage of the town's residents to experience incessant bleeding and death, usually within 24 hours. Eventually the epidemic devastates the town, with the Ministry of Health running riot in a desperate attempt to staunch the plague. The cause of the nosebleeds can be traced to a substance known only as the "Special Stuff", a highly addictive and mysterious foodstuff served by demonic butcher Hilary Briss, which becomes deadly when cut with sandwich paste. However, the surviving local residents mistakenly accuse Edward and Tubbs of spreading the disease and burn the Local Shop to the ground.

In the third and final series, several of the residents of Royston Vasey are involved in a traffic collision which leaves Lance Longthorne and Laurence Llewelyn-Bowen dead while Geoff Tipps is facially disfigured. The travelling circus also returns.

In the film The League of Gentlemen's Apocalypse, the town is on the verge of destruction when the League of Gentlemen – Jeremy Dyson, Mark Gatiss, Steve Pemberton, and Reece Shearsmith – agree to stop writing for Royston Vasey. This causes meteorites to rain from the sky until the entire town is razed to the ground. The destruction of Royston Vasey can only be prevented when all four of the writers are killed, but it transpires that the entire ordeal was conceived by Dyson while unconscious in a hospital.

In the Anniversary Specials, the town of Royston Vasey is facing a threat more terrible than anything it has faced before: boundary changes that will erase the town from the map forever. The fight to save the community from administrative annihilation comes from unexpected and surprising directions, all of them local, as the crisis reaches its earth-shattering climax.

Other
The League of Gentlemen book, A Local Book for Local People, released between the second and third series, describes Royston Vasey's history in a brochure, from its beginnings, as mentioned in an appendix to the Domesday Book as "an hutte with a pigge outside" to the construction of the town hall in the late 1930s, as designed by Albert Speer. The endpapers of the book show real maps of northern England turned upside down and with fictional place names, Royston Vasey corresponding to the real town of Settle, North Yorkshire (close by to Panties / Giggleswick).

The town's most featured landmarks include the Local Shop, an angelic war memorial, H. Briss & Son Butchers, the St Mary of Bethlehem hospital, the Windermere B&B, and the local Job Centre.

Filming location
The series was filmed mainly in Hadfield, Derbyshire; other locations include Bacup Lancashire, Glossop, Gamesley, and Hope Valley in Derbyshire; Marsden, Todmorden and Sowerby Bridge in West Yorkshire; and Mottram in Greater Manchester.

Filming of the television series took place in the Derbyshire village of Hadfield, located in a Pennines valley. The "Local Shop" is a purpose-built building on nearby Marsden Moor. The opening sequences show a poster for a missing finger.

The League considered a number of filming locations before settling on Hadfield. Another town to feature prominently in the series was Bacup in Rossendale, and the West Yorkshire town of Todmorden was used for some later scenes.

Characters

The League of Gentlemen have played in total nearly a hundred characters, many created in the early stage shows, others during the span of the television series and some especially for the team's film. Most of the characters live in Royston Vasey.

Radio series
In the radio series, the plot involved outsider Benjamin Denton visiting his aunt and uncle in Spent to be interviewed for a job at the local power plant. Not surprisingly, he missed the interview and was forced to stay longer than expected.

Episodes
As well as the normal episodes, The Making of the League of Gentlemen documentary was broadcast on 27 October 2002.

Film
The film was made in 2005. The plot is that Royston Vasey is coming to an end and that the locals appear in the real world to try to save it. In the beginning Jeremy Dyson is killed by Tubbs, Edward and Papa Lazarou.

Reception
In 2003, its creators were listed in The Observer as among the 50 funniest acts in British comedy. In 2004 The Radio Times listed Papa Lazarou as the 8th funniest comedy sketch of all time.

Accolades

 * BAFTA award
 * Royal Television Society award
 * Golden Rose of Montreux

Controversy
In June 2020 the show was withdrawn from distribution on Netflix due to the character Papa Lazarou being considered blackface, following similar action taken against Little Britain by the BBC during the George Floyd protests.

The series was kept on the BBC iPlayer streaming service but a content warning was added before each episode.

Influence
The series was cited as an inspiration for the later Canadian television series Death Comes to Town, a reunion project for the Canadian sketch comedy troupe The Kids in the Hall.

Books

 * A Local Book for Local People (2000) London: 4th Estate, ISBN 1-84115-346-X
 * The League of Gentlemen: Scripts and That (2003) London: BBC Worldwide, ISBN 0-563-48775-5
 * The League of Gentlemen's Book of Precious Things (2007) London: Prion, ISBN 1-85375-621-0

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Length
This article is much, much too long. If we really need all that information on characters, can we put it on a seperate page? 82.43.177.240 16:08, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Dyson
AFAIK, Jeremy Dyson is only a writer. the main parts are only 3 actors. -- Tarquin 12:52 Jan 1, 2003 (UTC) (are you local?) ;-)

My mistake, you're quite right of course. Too much booze last night has raddled my thinking. user:sjc

 * The article was slightly unclear about the writing contribs - at least for the 2nd season (the only DVD my local blockbuster has) the three leads are also writers (per both the credits and the rather dull "making off" featurette). I amended the article to properly reflect this. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 04:01, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Catchphrases
was it a cheese dream? -- t, saving the catchphrases for the talk page

It was a local aberration for local people... user:sjc

 * there was a complaint to the BBC (or whichever regulator) about the slogan on the side of the Legz Akimbo van.
 * What was the slogan? AIDS in a van? Oh no wait, that's what the priest calls it! --Kilo-Lima 14:37, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * "Put yourself into a child" Jono 18:39, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * there was also a complaint about the character who in 2 episodes makes an ass of himself talking to disabled people.

in both cases the regulator felt the complaint was unjustified

Format
Quote: some of the visual gags might be haard to spot in letterbox format

Isn't the whole point about the term "letterbox format" that when this format is used none of the picture is lost -- it's just that you get a black area at the top and bottom of your screen when viewing wide-screen material on an ordinary set (i.e. the picture is complete, though letterbox-shaped).

I think they meant it's more difficult to spot the gags in letterbox because the picture is reduced somewhat. user:Brodo

Letterboxing is done to prevent loss of any of the original image. The loss of site gags would occur not when the show is letterboxed, but rather when it is panned and scanned - a process in which the sides are chopped off and the image stretched to reach the top of the screen, for television broadcast.

 * Not if you've got a small television screen, i.e., like most people.
 * Nuttyskin (talk) 10:42, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Graffiti
Somebody's stencilled "Are you local?" and "You'll Never Leave" on the road signs on the outskirts of Cowling. It seems somehow appropriate.

Briss
Just putting a theory here regarding Hilary Briss', the butcher, "special stuff". From his name Briss -> Bris -> Bris Milah, which is a Jewish circumcision ceremony. And "foreskin" does kind of rhyme with "drawstring".

Does this seem likely to be the case and worth putting in the article? (I'm new to Wikipedia, and not sure whether conjecture should be put in) :) --Condiment 22:56, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I suppose it is conjecture, and should stay out, but it's the closest explination I've heard! Well Done indeed! (But why would it make yer nose bleed?)--Crestville 13:30, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm afraid it's completely conjecture. The point about the special stuff is that it is conjectural: even the writers freely admit they don't know, although they go so far as to say that it's 'the worst thing you can imagine.' garik 14:08, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup tag
I've removed this tag because I think the article's now reasonably OK. Obviously it may take some perfecting, but to quote somebody or other: you don't complete a piece of work, you abandon it.

What do other people think about its current standard? garik 14:05, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

IMDB link
I fixwd the IMDB lik because it was pointing to Little Britain for some reason
 * Probable mistake after a copy-and-paste move. Iola k ana • T  18:57, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Requested move
Doesn't anybody else think that this page ought to be moved to the page entitled 'The League of Gentlemen', and the page currently called 'The League of Gentlemen' be turned into 'The League of Gentlemen (disambiguation)'? Since it is the most detailed of the all The League of Gentlemen articles, and the most common usage of the name nowadays, shouldn't it be moved to the more prominent page without '(comedy)' at the end? —ERT 15:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Probally--Josquius 12:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Page moved, per request. Cheers. -GTBacchus(talk) 10:57, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Red Bag
An interview with the creators verifies the fact that the different scenes in series 3 happen at the same time, but I don't know how to reference this link (or if it is necessary.) Any experts? Howboutpete 23:58, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Past and Future section
Does it seem strange to anybody else to have the first section of the article about the Past and Future, i.e. not concerning the focus of the article; the television programme? I suggest changing this to two different sections, one detailing the background, and another nearer the end talking about after the show. Preposterone 23/11/2008

Fourth series?
"The BBC has expressed interest in a fourth series, though the Radio Times has claimed that there is little chance of this" - I've added a "fact" tag to this: the page would definitely benefit from having a link to the source for this statement ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 13:22, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Steve Pemberton talks about a very likely reunion-ish thing for their 20th anniversary of the League anyway in this video starting 9:30 minutes in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eZeQXma-Wc I understand that this is not talking about a 4th series, but still maybe worth mentioning — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.109.24.56 (talk) 00:12, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Characters / Atmosphere
The subject matter between the two sections are very similar and in some cases duplicated. Also theres stuff in the atmosphere box I'd say belongs in the character box and vice versa. Anybody fancy taking on a bit of cleanup? Fraggle81 (talk) 15:54, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

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Movement
How far can a piece move if it is not jumping? One square only?

What about kings? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.58.249.111 (talk) at 1 January 2003

Men can only move one square, and must jump backwards if can jump backwards. Kings can move many squares, and must jump the greatest amount of checkers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.44.199 (talk) at 24 June 2004

Captures
Rather than saying "In contrast to popular belief in the Netherlands, captures by crowned pieces do not have priority over captures by ordinary pieces.", wouldn't it be more accurate to say that captures by crowned pieces having priority over captures by ordinary pieces is a Dutch regional variant? — Gwalla | Talk 00:14, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * No, the idea is just ignorance and misconception. Not a local variant. Andries 14:30, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * No, if people actually play that way, then the article should say so, without POV. 71.192.115.15 (talk) 17:39, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Comparison to other Draughts
This page should be updated to achieve the same look and information of other Draught pages, notably, the English draughts page. It doesn't include things like game complexity. 70.111.251.203 14:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Feel free to find a source of that information that the article can cite. 71.192.115.15 (talk) 17:41, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

History?
When was this developed? Where? Why does it have the "Polish" name"? These things need to be included in the article. ChozoBoy (talk) 01:11, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Yes that is a great NEED. --P64 (talk) 20:32, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

 * A good accounting is given in: Ihardlythinkso (talk) 03:09, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Partly solved
This article is in the Partly solved category - but no information to that end is included in the article.Jonpatterns (talk) 12:35, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

 * @ 77.131.35.86 (talk) 13:49, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Promotion and jumping backwards
The current text states: "When it reaches the edge but have the opportunity to jump backwards, he may not do so. He must first be crowned and at the next move he may move backwards." This seems contradictory with : "A piece is only crowned if the piece finishes the move on the final square. So, if a piece moves onto and off the final row during the course of a capturing move, and does not finish on the final row, it is not crowned." This is also in line with rule 4.13 of FMJD: "A piece is only crowned if the piece finishes the move on the final square. So, if a piece moves onto and off the final row during the course of a capturing move, and does not finish on the final row, it is not crowned." Am I missing something? For now I'll change the article to reflect this, but perhaps this rule was changed over time, or has variations? effeietsanders 05:35, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

 * Looking more carefully, this seems to have been introduced by an anonymous contributor a few months ago. I suspect it was incorrect and possibly vandalism. effeietsanders 05:41, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Kamikaze

There is confusion in this article about what "Kamikaze" means. There is a narrow Japanese interpretation and a broad, perhaps overly broad, Western interpretation.
I am months late in returning to this subject.

I am still concerned that the first sentence of the article makes the word "kamikaze" synonymous with all manner of "special attack" and the machines, people and units that made special attacks. That is a Western perception, but not necessarily accurate. It also seems to tie the word only to the units (tai) that executed them. That would be too narrow.

Regarding "special attack" (aka tokubetsu kougeki), in forty years of reading about this, I have not found a perfect Japanese definition for "special attack" in the context of World War Two. The idea is an attack that is so bold and dangerous that it will almost certainly result in the death of the pilot, submariner, boatman, infantryman, etc. who makes that attack. The people who performed special attack missions understood in advance that they would probably be one-way missions, and for the vast majority of them, the mission was indeed fatal to the attackers.

The word "kamikaze", however, has two rather different interpretations in the context of World War Two. Westerners take it to mean various things, leaning towards any sort of special attack. However, the Japanese lexicon assigns a narrower meaning and makes it a subset of "special attack". In this view, it is a particular group of Japanese naval air operations that were special attacks that were ordered in the Fourth Quarter of 1944 and 1945. In this narrower interpretation, "kamikaze" missions were strictly naval air operations for air-to-surface attack. To describe the units that performed them, the Japanese sometimes call them "Kamikaze Tokubetsu Kougekitai" (Divine Wind Special Attack Units). The Japanese did not call the numerous one-way missions of Japanese army aircraft for air-to-surface attack "kamikaze", but did call them "special attack" (tokubetsu kougeki).

I think you need to divide this article into paragraphs explaining the two interpretations of "kamikaze" that relate to World War Two, and delete the "tai" ending in your definition, because that refers to the units. Furthermore, you may want to delete the photo of a takeoff of army planes at Chiran, Kyushu, because "kamikaze" is not a word for army special attack under the narrower Japanese interpretation used during the war.Kabocha (talk) 14:32, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Recruitment
in the recruitment section it is told that there were many volunteers for pilots of these planes. However, there doesnt seem to be a good source. Both sources are not check-able and leave very little information. I highly doubt that these people were so exited (yes, excited, that is what this section describes) to die at what must have seemed to be the end of a losing war. I would like to see some better sources, at least some that i can check. There is a brief description of a modern japanese writer that is a good counterpoint, but is very short compared to what is mentioned previous to its entry. Also, it is documented a lot better. This part is very one-sided, and seems to be the case of someone injecting a political or social agenda into this article. This type of thing is cancer to this website. MORE SOURCES for this description of highly unusual behavior. (this aspect of kamikaze bombing is, to me, the most interesting part about it. I am disappointed there is not more information.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.57.118.93 (talk) 06:01, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Confusing sentence
The article states that: "at Midway in June 1942, the Japanese lost as many air crew in a single day as their pre-war training program had lost in a year."Should this be "... their pre-war training program had created in a year"? — BillC talk 09:00, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree it is confusing, and it may not be correct. A few pages of the cited source are online, and the loss of Japanese pilots is less than would be expected, but many more of the supporting crew were also lost.  I did not find support for the assertion in the  online text, and therefore will remove it. I have ordered the book and should have it in a few weeks, and will revise the article then if needed. (The book does make an important point: The loss of Japanese pilots at Midway was less than the number lost in the war of attrition in the Solomon Islands.)
 * The Peattie does not have a full citation in the two footnotes which mention it, nor it is in the bibliography. Once I have the book I will correct that.  Kablammo (talk) 13:09, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Outdated aircraft
The claim is technically false. The Ki-84 and Shiden were just as good as anything the Allies had. The DY4 was one of the fastest strike aircraft in the Pacific, if not the fastest. The "Kate" was no snail either. Please cite and fix. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A04:4A43:4A7F:5613:0:0:3DDC:B4AE (talk) 19:56, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Response I'd say the statement is generally true more than 'technically false'. Yes, the Japanese had developed aircraft as good as anything else in the skies. The problem for them was that by the later war they couldn't produce them in any kind of number - they lacked raw materials, tools, etc. It was much cheaper to patch up old planes, fuel 'em up for a one-way trip and sayonara. I do agree that the statement could be qualified. RobotBoy66 (talk) 01:28, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

The Japanese air fleet was outdated in secondary ways. Even if we disregard these (which I won’t call inherently unfair), the fact that the Japanese had comparable design prototypes is irrelevant bc these never entered mass production and pretty much none ever even saw effective combat. It is a historical fact that the Japanese air fleet in being had fallen far behind the allies technologically and this situation did contribute significantly to the decision to implement/expand the Kamikaze program. OgamD218 (talk) 07:55, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

I’m gonna remove it bc there doesn’t seem to be much remaining disagreement plus the account that started this got blocked. OgamD218 (talk) 02:40, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

replace the first image
The first image, used for the page's thumbnail thingy, is not the best representation of a kamikaze. It just shows a carrier on fire - only when the context that the carrier got hit by a kamikaze does it make sense. I think we should replace it with a better image, a few of which are actually in the article. The "better image" should show the plane about to kamikaze.

For example we could use:

 * File:Kamikaze attacks USS Columbia (CL-56) in Lingayen Gulf on 6 January 1945 (NH 79449).jpg
 * File:Kamikaze attacks USS White Plains (CVE-66) on 25 October 1944 (80-G-288882).jpg
 * File:Kamikaze zero.jpg
 * File:USS Intrepid CV-11 kamikaze strike.jpg

Poopykibble (talk) 04:37, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

 * I agree. I think the existing images can be retained under a new first image, but I would reverse them, putting the pilots ahead of the damage they caused. Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 17:51, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

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