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Definition of "Jewish fundamentalism"
A problematic issue in the definition of "Jewish fundamentalism" is that we tend to either approach it from the point of view of extreme (or super-dogmatic) religious beliefs, or from the point of view of extreme political beliefs, and from the outside it looks like these are different phenomena. However, I believe it is true that most of the people we would agree to call "Jewish fundamentalists" do not distinguish between the religious and the political. Actually they see it as the same thing, and maybe that is one of their distinguishing characteristics. Another comment about the article is that belief in "Greater Israel" is not really a defining belief of the group even though it is a frequent belief amongst them. I think that a more universal set of beliefs concerns the overall position of Jews vis-a-vis Arabs (or gentiles in general) in relation to Israel. The idea that only Jews have a legitimate role in government decision making is common example of this, but there are many. Usually these "political" beliefs are supported by "religious" argument, which is an example of what I said earlier. --zero 10:06, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Action
I find it a bit disheartening that so many Wikipedia articles about Jewish issues degenerate into discussion that has as much to do with the personalities involved as the issues. Hopefully, all would agree that this article needs to be reworked at least a bit. So, it might be best if we moved to suggestions as to how to improve it:
 * Although many people claim that the "religious" and "political" sides of fundamentalism are the same, I think it's still convenient to present them under separate headings to make it clean, and then discuss the extent to which the 2 strands involve the same people etc.
 * The religious part is biased against "fundamentalists". I'll change one sentence in a minute but more revisions are welcome.
 * I strenuously disagree with the idea that fundamentalists see rabbinic literature as "infallible" - complete infallibility is impossible if the Gemara itself occasionally fixes the wording of a Mishnah in what it sees as an error! Perhaps this should be softened to something like "these texts are viewed as almost-canonical in that they are assumed to be consistent and completely correct if there isn't substantial evidence to the contrary". After all, noone (including fundamentalists) takes the medical advice of Avodah Zarah 28-29 today, as it is understood that that was a product of a medical knowledge we know to be imperfect.

Hopefully this should inspire responses as to how to change the actual article (as opposed to the world at large!). Frikle 05:55, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * Actually, I have met many Orthodox rabbis and laypeople who do belive that the medical advice of the Talmud is correct. They simply hold that it is correct in a limited number of cases, and not in all cases. Time and again I have seen Orthodox essays by people saying "Modern doctors are learning again that the Talmud was correct all along". I think that you are underestimating the fundamentalism in the theologically right-wing Orthodox Jewish community. RK

Dovi, great recent changes. RK 14:32, Jul 23, 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks, sorry we got off to a rough start.Dovi 03:20, Jul 25, 2004 (UTC)

 * That's interesting. Reminds me of a school camp where a madrich was telling us about tractate R.H. and how one Rabbi's opinion about there being 100-something stars in the Orion was proved exactly correct by astronomers - even though most of the stars aren't visible to the naked eye - and that that's evidence that the Oral Law can't be of human origin. When I asked how we know that the Talmud is talking about the Orion, since it's in Aramaic he seemed to think we just do. So, I grant, there is a range of degrees of fundamentalism - some of which I and others would believe actually go against the Torah in the broader sense.
 * But I still think my point about cases when the Gemara amends the Mishna stands. Also, I strongly doubt that the case of medical advice, along with other fundamentalist things are believed by all or even most Orthodox Jews. I still think the sentence should be changed (1) to avoid the impression that this is a majority and (2) to avoid the impression that a fundamentalist view holds that, say every letter of the Shulchan Aruch was dictated by God (although there may be people who believe even that, they definitely aren't in the majority) - as the above 2 impressions can still be derived from the article. Frikle 09:14, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * I agree Dovi. I've just seen this article for the first time now, and your changes are a vast improvement. Jayjg 05:00, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

"Jewish fundamentalism" vs other religions' "fundamentalism"
The first part of this article makes me rather uncomfortable! I mean, after all, religious "fundamentalism" these days is generally identified with the islamic kind that involves killing and blowing things up for the cause! I don't see anything remotely threataning in the description of orthodox judaism! As noted above, orthodox judaism is essentially a religious movement, not a political one (though there are orthodox jewish political parties in israel). In fact, even in the religious sense, calling orthodox judaism "fundamentalist" is disputable. Some things are indeed set in stone, but others are indeed changeable, as the article points out.

"True" jewish fundamentalism (of the kind that might be considered akin to the islamic brand) would be better represented by extremist elements of the settler movement, or the Kach movement (there's a link to it, but no mention in the article!) or individuals such as Yigal Amir, who assasinated israeli prime minister Yitzchak Rabin.

What do others think? I'd love to hear
 * I think that the two are closely connected: Read the opening description of Jewish Fundamentalism, in the article. The reactionary and/or rigid political stances frequently espoused by fundamentalist groups are usually acompanied by fundamentalist beliefs about scripture of the traditional kind, viz., that sacred books are to be understood literally, and are infallible, being of divine origin. In the Jewish example, you have a situation where the political position on the occupied territories (that they may not be returned to gentile control) is allied to the fundamentalist interpretation of Biblical or Talmudic passages about the Land of Israel. The two are not necessarily connected, but they frequently are, in practice. It's similar to Fundamentalist Christianity in the United States: If someone believes in a Fundamentalist approach to Scripture, he might agitate politically against legalized abortion, and against gay rights, for example. The issue of violence is derivative. That is, the extent to which someone who believes in "Fundamentalism" would use violence to further the perceived positions of Scripture is a secondary matter. However, it is more likely that any religious fundamentalist (Christian, Jewish, or Muslim) would resort to violence to further his purpose (bombing of abortion clinics, assassination of political leaders [Yitzhak Rabin], or terrorist attacks, take your pick), than an ordinary person, because belief in something as divine frequently inspires a more fanatical commitment. But that is my opinion only. 66.108.105.21 02:49, 18 November 2006 (UTC) Allen Roth

I've read that one of the rabbi's of the Gush Emunim said it was not immoral to kill an Arab. This is an example of violent fundamentalism. here are some links http://www.geocities.com/alabasters_archive/gush_underground.html and http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Zionism/gush.htmlAmirman 17:06, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

. It's just a balancing act to aid in a tu quoque argument for Islamic Fundamentalism or Christian Fundamentalism, which are real, are political movements, and are actually dangerous.

Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia about things that exist, not a soap box for every whackjob anti-semitic to propagate their bizarre ideas.

"Original Research" - give me a break. If I wrote an article on how to catch snipes based on personal research it would be taken down in five seconds. Delete this.--66.211.252.114 13:08, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * ridiculous. maybe you known nothing about Israeli history or maybe you are a fundementalist yourself who sees your way as the right way but this issue is real and widely recognized in Israel and has been a stumbling block toward peace in the region. if you want check out the links i've listed above. both are written by Jewish Israeli scholars and are definitely in no way anti-semetic. please don't spew that propagandist garbage on wikipedia.Amirman 17:14, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Definitions is muddled and confusing
The article is confused. First it has no sources, then it seems to define all Orthodoxy as fundementalist, lumps it all in together, and blames the settlement movement on fundementalism. It's confusing because most religious Jews would regard heradim us fundementalist, and if you ask a settler why he's not heradi he'd likely answer, "I'm not that religious;" with settlers being labeled, "Modernim" (Modern) by the heradim. ALso the settler movement is dominated by Modern Orthodoxy, which many heradi do not regard as orthodox at all. It could just be that the word "Fundementalism" cannot be used to describe any movement in Judaism in a meaningful way, and one will be forced to break the artificial label Orthodox down into more meaningful and specific fragments. Lastly, other than having violent ideology, Settlers are in no other way fundementalist. They usually have a very relaxed attitude towards halakhah, certainly don't interpret texts in a literal way more than other orthodox, their whole movement is only possible because they disregard portions of Kesubos and Eicha Rabbah as no longer applicable or completely allegorical to the point of meaninglessness, and stories like the Creation they more regard as metephorical ala Aish Hatorah or Aryeh Kaplan. When they shop for clothes they ask each other, "I don't look too frummy (religious) in this skirt, do I?" 82.81.53.232 21:47, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

There's should be more specification in the article
Not All orthodox jews are fundamentalists just as not all settlers are. The two groups which can be categorized as fundamentalists are Chabad and Shas, those two groups are those that try hard to preach to israeli secular sociey "to return" to the origin and to become religios "again". Oren neu dag 13:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

POV Tag
I'm doing POV tag cleanup. Whenever an POV tag is placed, it is necessary to also post a message in the discussion section stating clearly why it is thought the article does not comply with POV guidelines, and suggestions for how to improve it. This permits discussion and consensus among editors. This is a drive-by tag, which is discouraged in WP, and it shall be removed. Future tags should have discussion posted as to why the tag was placed, and how the topic might be improved. Better yet, edit the topic yourself with the improvements. This statement is not a judgement of content, it is only a cleanup of frivolously and/or arbitrarily placed tags. No discussion, no tag.Jjdon (talk) 19:22, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Jewish fundamentalism
AfD added. This article was tagged as being without any references a year ago. -Lisa (talk) 16:00, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I voted Lean Delete in the AfD, but given the existence of fundamentalism pages, it might make at least as much sense to simply take a weed whacker to the article, reduce it to factual, supported statements (and clarify which meaning of fundamentalism is being described). Tag it with stub, give it a decent statement of purpose in the lede, and let it expand again, taking care to limit the sorts of original research and unsupported statements added. —ShadowRanger (talk 16:37, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

 * As per AfD, I've removed the OR and left as a stub. --Shuki (talk) 20:32, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Building an introduction - collection of ideas

 * Roots in Lurianic Cabbala.
 * "absolute superiority of the Jewish soul and body over the non-Jewish soul and body" - quote of Israel Shahak and Norton Mezvinsky
 * "...insert quote here..." - what does the primary source (Lurianic Kabbala) say?
 * Promotion by Rabbi Kook.
 * How is related to Hardel?

 * Being called a fundamentalist in the sense that I strictly adhere to a set of beliefs does not bother me. However, the juxtaposition of the word “fundamentalist” with “unreasonable” turns the term into an insult.
 * Defined by the sense of adhering strictly to Jewish Tenets. - Is that the common usage of Jewish Fundamentalist?
 * Defining fundamentalism by devout proselytizing/conversion of others? - no...
 * Better look at Fundamentalism and Fundamentalism.
 * Relationship to Zionism - "Jewish fundamentalism (often confused with Zionism)" see George Pitcher

 * (Still a work in progress...)

NOR as expansion
Someone from the 93.143 range thought it was necessary to expand the article with what is essentially a heap of original research and possibly WP:SYNTH. I don't think completely unsourced content should be allowed to stand in a controversial topic like this. JFW | T@lk  21:36, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Where is your proof that article contain original research? Some issues may be controversal, the same as Christian fundamentalism and Islamic fundamentalism, but that is no reason for removing all text from that articles. If you consider that who editors who tried to remove text are Jewish, it's simple baised move because they can't accept facts. Editor "Shuki" has clearly propagandist ideas about removing article, because he removed not just text but relevant sources and categories. Pathetic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.2.118 (talk) 07:46, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, and controversial topics need tight sourcing unless you want them to be endlessly challenged. I don't think you should seek motives from editors beyond stated concerns about your contributions. Please address my concerns rather than just inserting the same stuff again. I could have the article locked if you continue to add unsourced theories that appear to be your own work rather than accepted knowledge. JFW | T@lk  22:37, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Use of external links
Please don't just insert links from out of nowhere and read External links. --Shuki (talk) 21:55, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Page blanking
What is going on here? Can editors please stop blanking this page and removing sourced material because it doesn't suit their agenda? Factsontheground (talk) 02:29, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

 * You welcome to contribute material to the page if it is sourced. --Shuki (talk) 21:42, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Fundamentalism in the mainstream?
I see that the current stubbish text refers only to ultra-Orthodox groupings. But if one bases the definition of fundamentalism on the original meaning of believing that the bible is literally the word of God, then it is much more mainstream. The Louis Jacobs affair concerned his advocating the position that the Torah was divinely inspired rather than the literal word of God. Jacobs was was prevented from becoming head of Jews' College and then also prevented from resuming his position as the rabbi of a congregation within the United Synagogue. Even after Jacobs had retired from his position within the Masorti movement, he was prevented from being called up in a US service the day before his granddaughter's wedding because the US Beth Din considered that he would perjure himself when sying the blessing referring to God as having given us the Torah. This last incident took place under the stewardship of the current Chief Rabbi, so isn't ancient history. Islamic fundamentalism does specifically discuss how all moslem congregations are fundamentalist in this sense and I think a similar discussion regarding the literal fundamentalism of orthodox Judaism is appropriate here. Indeed, looking at some material in the other fundamentalism articles even Jacobs might qualify as fundamentalist for his more limited belief that the Torah is divinely inspired.--Peter cohen (talk) 12:39, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

 * I suggest that whomever wants to develop this article, do it slowly, very NPOV and not try to take it in one direction that would antagonize many editors. --Shuki (talk) 14:40, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It would all depend on what the sources described it as, wouldn't it? Jayjg (talk) 00:43, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I take your points. I actually think it might help with WP:DUE issues if space is given to discussing what it is doctrinally that makes a belief fundamentalist rather than having people focus on Jewish fundamentalists as individuals who drive a couple of vans out to somewhere in the West Bank and establish a ten person settlement. I was barmitzvahed by Jacobs and think I must have been given a book of his as my present from the shul. I'll have a look at the bookshelves next time I'm at my parents' place and see whether the book discusses any parallels with debates in Christianity. BTW, I've clarified and expanded my previous post. The key point was that Jacobs was excluded from being called up for doctrinal reasons. There's an interesting contrast with British Christianity in that during the same period that Jacobs's beliefs made him persona non grata in the largest synagogue organisation in the UK, another academic cleric whose views were distinctly more revisionist was appointed to one of the five major bishoprics in the largest church organisation there.--Peter cohen (talk) 01:26, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Conservatism
FYI, I added the tag for the WikiProject Conservatism because that project includes religious conservatism, such as Fundamentalism.  Will Beback   talk    08:46, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

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Should this article become a redirect to Haredi Judaism? Editor2020 (talk) 02:16, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Some major edits
Hi everyone,

I thought I should explain some edits I made. This article needed some restructuring, both due to the incorrect discussion of biblical literalism and some confusion about religious zionism versus haredi judaism. I pretty much kept all of the content, just provided better organization and context.

Note that Lustick, the reference provided for biblical literalism, does not mention literalism even once. Furthermore, he clearly states that he's using a definition of fundamentalism for a specific purpose in his essay, not as a universal definition of fundamentalism.

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Thanks for tidying this up for me, Tim. I've just been reading the page about stubs, and I think I'd better put some more flesh on the bones. I'll have a look at some other town entries to get some clues about formatting and content. I'll do that tomorrow, but for now thanks and goodnight

 * Just out of interest, what exactly is infamous about Trowbridge's snooker Club where Stephen Lee played? Celtmist 16 Apr 2006
 * The "Snooker Club" also doubles as a nightclub which, like all nightclubs, can either be loved or loathed by the town and it's residents. --82.69.20.69 21:33, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Just wanted to explain my modifications. I don't think the sentence about 'pointless existence' added anything. The lack of town facilities and high crime rate is detailed separately in the article, and it didn't read in an objective manner.

I think that while the details of the town centre on a Friday or Saturday night are generally accurate (I used to live in Trowbridge), they need to be re-written to read in a more objective way. If there are no huge objections I'll do this at some point. Cheers Lukehounsome 15.37, 12 Sept. 2006 (UTC)

 * Due to a 'Tone' box being added to this section, I have rewritten the Tesco development and Pubs sections. Adding some

refs I could find. I would like to pin a more exact date on the Tesco move though. I tried to make the sections less POV and more formal. Cheers Lukehounsome 13.12, 15 Sept. 2006 (UTC)

i have edited out the phrase 'well done trowbridge' re-violent crime as it was sarcastic, unimformative and spelt incorrectly 84.92.180.137 18:06, 21 October 2006 (UTC)r .trowbridge84.92.180.137 18:06, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Pubs
'There are several chain pubs including J.D.Wetherspoon's "Sir Isaac Pitman".'

I have the misfortune to live in Trowbridge and I disagree with this - there are several pubs in the town centre, but Wetherspoon's is the only 'chain' pub.FlubClub 17:36, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Crime Section
Near the bottom of the subsection there is a long paragraph which states numerous crime figures. Might i suggest this be cleaned up, perhaps with a graphical depiction rather than a mere list? I'd do it myself but being new to the Editing interface i wouldnt really know how, and id hate to ruin the article with my ineptness 212.169.0.226 15:02, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Overhauled
Including more referencing, better reference display, updating in parts. Also removal of the unsourced ("someone said something like the same" is not a reference) bit about "Ibiza" - there's no similarity at all in truth, and so the anecdote is poor. If Tom Cruise, for instance, had visited and said that, then it would have been somewhat notable!

Took some dubious names (redlinks) off the famous residents section, checked out the rest as genuine. Concerned to note that Clifton doesn't appear anywhere on the internet for disco dancing honours outside of Wikimirrors or other wiki encyclopedias (therefore not bona fide sources according to guidelines), so if anyone has anything in print about him and his dancing, put a reference in. Thanks. Ref (chew) (do) 13:51, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Population
Surely the following sentence is incorrect:

"The civil parish of Trowbridge had a population of 28,148 according to the 2001 census, making it the largest town in the county, after the city of Salisbury.[1]"

Swindon is also in the county of Wilshire and has a population of over 155 000. Booshank (talk) 22:54, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

update needed
very little of the information from http://www.wiltshire.gov.uk/community/getcom.php?id=228 is included in the artical, also the spifire factorys in the town need a mention and linking to and from the artical on RAF Keevil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Keevil where final assembly and flight tests were done —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.8.50.18 (talk) 20:45, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Notable people section
The notable people section was in a mess with a lot of unsourced entries presented in list format. WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements recommends that list format is not used as the best (featured / good) articles use prose. People should meet the guidelines for notability, there should be an explanation of the person's connection with the settlement and the entry should ideally be referenced. I have put the list below. If anyone is interested, take a look at what is left in the section and add these entries in if they can be suitably expanded and verified. --Simple Boba.k.a. The Spaminator (Talk) 12:23, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

 * Janet Anderson, MP for Rossendale and Darwen
 * Solomon Andrews, entrepreneur
 * Christopher Benjamin, actor
 * Alan Bullock, historian, author of Hitler: A Study in Tyranny
 * Humphrey Burton, broadcaster and biographer
 * Keri Davies, radio producer and dramatist, The Archers
 * Nathan Dyer, footballer for Swansea City A.F.C.
 * George Allen, Musician and record producer
 * Emma Pearson, Actress
 * George Haden, inventor of heating and ventilation systems
 * Lewis Haldane, footballer
 * Thomas Helliker, trade union martyr, hanged 1803 as a suspected Luddite
 * Gemma Hunt, television presenter
 * Joan M. Hussey, historian
 * Dan Richmond, rugby player (Northampton Saints, Bedford Blues)
 * Stephen Lee, snooker player
 * William Mann, cricketer (Worcestershire)
 * Deborah Meaden, entrepreneur and panellist on Dragons' Den
 * Bel Mooney, journalist and broadcaster
 * Christopher Newbury, member of the Congress of the Council of Europe
 * William Hughes, literary critic and Professor of Gothic Studies at Bath Spa University
 * Jamie Pitman, footballer
 * William Redfern, surgeon
 * Alan Snow, author and illustrator of Here Be Monsters!
 * David Stratton, Australian film critic
 * Bob Day, singer in The Allisons

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Distance from Bath
Trowbridge is approximately 13 miles from Bath not 8 miles 2A01:4C8:A2:5873:1:2:457B:C248 (talk) 16:22, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

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Weezer (Green Album)

Weezer (also known as the Green Album) is the third studio album by American rock band Weezer. It was released on May 15, 2001, by Geffen Records. It was the second Weezer album produced by Ric Ocasek, who produced their debut album, and it is the only studio album to feature bassist Mikey Welsh (who replaced Matt Sharp), as he left the band a few months after the album's release.

After the mixed critical reception and underwhelming sales of their second album, Pinkerton (1996), Weezer went on hiatus and the band members worked on side projects. During this time, their fanbase grew online and Pinkerton 's standing improved. After a comeback performance at the Japanese Summer Sonic Festival, Weezer began rehearsing and recording new material. Following the ambitious compositions and confessional themes of Pinkerton, songwriter Rivers Cuomo wrote simpler songs with less personal lyrics.

Three singles were released from the album: "Hash Pipe", "Island in the Sun", and "Photograph". "Hash Pipe" was a worldwide hit, charting on seven different charts. Weezer received generally favorable reviews. It debuted at number four on the Billboard 200, where it has since sold over 1.6 million copies.

Background
Weezer's second album, Pinkerton, was released on September 24, 1996. It received mixed reviews upon release and sold poorly compared to Weezer's 1994 debut, primarily due to its darker, more abrasive sound. Following the Pinkerton tour, Weezer went on hiatus. Frontman Rivers Cuomo returned to Harvard University to finish his studies, but dropped out to focus on songwriting. During this time, he formed a new band, Homie.

By February 1998, Cuomo had disbanded Homie and headed to Los Angeles to begin work on Weezer demos with guitarist Brian Bell and drummer Patrick Wilson. Bassist Matt Sharp was absent from rehearsals and became estranged from the band. On April 8, 1998, Sharp announced his exit from Weezer to devote his energy to his band the Rentals. It was quickly announced that former Homie bassist Mikey Welsh would take over on bass for Weezer.

Frustration and creative disagreements led to a decline in rehearsals. In late 1998, Wilson left for his home in Portland pending renewed productivity from Cuomo. Cuomo became depressed; he painted the walls of his home black and put "fiberglass insulation all over the windows and then black sheets of fiberglass so that no light could get through". During this time, he isolated himself and abstained from contact with the outside world. He also had braces put on his teeth, further damaging his self-esteem.

By 1999, the members of Weezer had again gone their separate ways; Wilson resumed work with his band the Special Goodness, Bell worked on his band Space Twins and Welsh toured with Juliana Hatfield. Meanwhile, Cuomo wrote 121 songs, nearly half of which would become demos. Bell would occasionally visit Cuomo and play songs with him.

Unbeknownst to the band, their fanbase was connecting and growing on the internet, and Pinkerton 's critical and commercial standing was improving. Weezer accepted a lucrative offer to perform in Japan in August 2000 for the Summer Sonic Festival; rehearsals for the show reinvigorated the band. They returned to performing in June 2000, playing low-key shows around Los Angeles under the pseudonym Goat Punishment, ensuring that Weezer would only perform for longtime fans who would recognize the name.

Eventually, Weezer performed higher-profile gigs such as the Warped Tour. Cuomo said: "We went in there fully expecting to be booed and to have things thrown at us. But it was exactly the opposite, people were singing along to all the songs and just going crazy, giving us the best support. And I think that gave us the confidence we needed." The response led to further shows. MP3 demos captured live on the band's mobile unit and soundchecks surfaced on file-sharing services and eventually were released as downloads on the Weezer website. These songs are often referred to as "Summer Songs of 2000".

Recording
On October 23, 2000, Cuomo announced that Weezer would start recording material "with or without" a producer. However, the band's record label decided to have the band employ a record producer due to the commercial failure of their self-produced album Pinkerton. The band began rehearsing and arranging both the Summer Songs of 2000 and newer material Cuomo had written at his home with engineer Chad Bamford. The band eventually decided to hire Ric Ocasek—who had also produced their debut album—as producer, and began sending demos to Ocasek during the summer of 2000. There was much debate among the band members as to whether they should record in Los Angeles or Ocasek's New York home, with the band eventually deciding to record in Los Angeles at Cello Studios. The band continued to demo new music daily and started to work through more than seventy-five demos, eventually homing in on twenty-five potential album tracks in anticipation of Ocasek's arrival. Ocasek worked with the band to trim these down further to eighteen songs.

After the mixed reception to Pinkerton, Cuomo wrote simpler songs with less personal lyrics; he stated the songs "very intentionally not about me. Not about what was going on in my life, at least in a conscious way." Recording sessions began in early December, with Ocasek providing feedback by telephone. On December 27, the band embarked on what would be close to six weeks of studio work by playing songs repetitively in order to track the bass and drums parts. They also did "scratch takes" of the vocals and guitar, designed to get accurate rhythm tracks before being redone more efficiently later in the recording process. While recording the album, the band continued to perform gigs under the pseudonym Goat Punishment.

During the recording sessions, an executive at the band's label, Geffen Records, visited to observe the band's progress and expressed dissatisfaction with several tracks. This feedback eventually forced the band to discard a few of the album's possible songs. The band relocated for three weeks to a smaller studio in another part of Cello Studios where Cuomo and Bell worked on guitar takes while the entire band recorded vocal tracks. Ocasek said: "Rivers always does his guitar parts in one take." Mixing began on January 31 by Tom Lord-Alge at South Beach Studios inside the Marlin Hotel, Miami Beach, Florida.

Packaging
Art direction was handled by Chris Bilheimer with photography from Marina Chavez and Karl Koch. It is similar to the cover art of Weezer's debut album.

The album cover was shot between band practices and featured Welsh, Cuomo, Bell and Wilson standing left to right in front of a plain, lime-green backdrop in a manner similar to the band's debut album. This was done as a tribute to Ric Ocasek, who had also produced their first album, and also to symbolize the band's back-to-basics approach they took while recording the album. This approach is alluded to in a quote in the liner notes of the album: "Torniamo all'antico e sarà un progresso", from Italian opera composer Giuseppe Verdi that means "Let us return to old times and that will be progress."

The picture inside of the CD booklet is a photo of Weezer playing live, featuring (in the lower right hand corner) an overlay of the silhouettes of Mike Nelson, Tom Servo and Crow T. Robot from the television show Mystery Science Theater 3000. (Hence the liner note citation "MST3K silhouette appears courtesy of Best Brains, Inc.")

This was Weezer's first album to feature a transparent CD tray. Under the CD tray of the album, the word "No" can be found on the back of the spine. Some fans speculate that this is a response to the inside tray of Radiohead's album OK Computer which contains the text "I like you. I like you. You are a wonderful person. I'm full of enthusiasm. I'm going places. I'll be happy to help you. I am an important person, would you like to come home with me?" Weezer's explanation was vague, with webmaster Karl Koch stating "No means no."

The album contains the dedication "In loving memory of Mykel and Carli." Mykel and Carli Allan were sisters devoted to developing fan clubs for up-and-coming bands. The sisters had been influential in starting and developing Weezer's official fan club in the 1990s and, along with their younger sister Trysta, died in a car accident in 1997.

Promotion
The album was met with enthusiasm from the record label; according to Weezer collaborator Karl Koch, "They had nothing but supportive and excited things to say about it." However, the album's original release date of April 17 was postponed due to executives not liking Cuomo's choice of "Hash Pipe" as the first single. Citing the song's lurid content about a transvestite prostitute as inappropriate, they suggested that "Don't Let Go" be chosen as the first single. However, Cuomo continued to fight and "Hash Pipe" eventually became the album's first single. The label tried to postpone the release date further until June, but the band convinced them to adhere to the May 15 release date.

The video for "Hash Pipe" was directed by Marcos Siega and was the first of many Weezer videos directed by Siega. In the video, Weezer performs in an arena while a group of sumo wrestlers are fighting in the background. The song title was often censored as "H*** Pipe" (the title employed on the music video's title card) or "Half Pipe". The song became a hit on the MTV show Total Request Live, and also received heavy rotation on radio, peaking at number two on the US Modern Rock Charts. The song was nominated for High Times magazine's "Pot Song of the Year".

The next single, "Island in the Sun", was a radio hit and became one of Weezer's biggest overseas hits. It peaked at number 11 on the US Modern Rock Charts and at number 31 on the UK Top 40. Two music videos were created for the song: the first video, directed by Marcos Siega, shows Weezer playing the song at a Mexican couple's wedding reception and features all four band members. The executives at MTV disliked Siega's video, prompting the band to film a second video.

After suffering a breakdown from the stress of touring, undiagnosed bipolar disorder, and drug abuse, Welsh attempted suicide and left Weezer in 2001. Without him, the band filmed a second video for "Island in the Sun", directed by Spike Jonze and featured the band playing with wild animals. Sharp may have been approached to be in the video. Scott Shriner, who was filling in for Welsh and later became a permanent member of Weezer, stated in the commentary for "Video Capture Device" that he almost asked the band to let him appear in the video. The second video received much wider airplay than the original and has become the standard video for the song.

The third and final single from the album was "Photograph", which was released to radio in early November. The single peaked at number 17 on the US Modern Rock Charts. In Japan it was released as the first single instead of "Hash Pipe." The band felt the song didn't have the staying power of the previous singles, and thus decided to pass on a big-name director for the music video, opting instead to have Karl Koch shoot and edit a video from on-the-road footage. It was the band's first music video featuring Shriner.

Critical reception
Weezer received generally favorable reviews. At Metacritic, which assigns a rating out of 100 to reviews from mainstream critics, the album received an average score of 73 out of 100. Reviewing the album for Rolling Stone, Rob Sheffield wrote that the band had made "a totally crunk geek-punk record, buzzing through ten excellent tunes in less than half an hour with zero filler". AllMusic senior writer Stephen Thomas Erlewine wrote that while Weezer is essentially "just punk-pop, delivered without much dynamic range but with a whole lot of hooks", "nobody else" excels at the style as successfully as Weezer does on the album, which he felt ranked among the best rock records of 2001. Rolling Stone described the Green Album as the "anti-Pinkerton", with album art and "squeaky-clean" production that recalled Weezer's debut. The album was compared to the 1999 film Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace by Rob Mitchum of Pitchfork, who stated "Both sci-fi epic and alt-rock record were long-awaited events that had even the most jaded hipster hopping around like a small child with a full bladder."

Neva Chonin of the Houston Chronicle called it "a sublime selection of power-pop songs with enough lyrical ballast to keep them from floating away on their own euphoria". PopMatters critic Jason Thompson credited the band for their decision to have Ric Ocasek return as producer, as did Entertainment Weekly's Evan Serpick, who viewed the album as "a return to their winning formula of sugary power pop and smart-assed rants". Russell Bailie of The New Zealand Herald remarked that "the self-conscious nerd-factor of old seems largely and happily absent" on an album that "sounds like a revitalisation with a hint of maturity".

Writing in The A.V. Club, Stephen Thompson found that Weezer "feels a bit repetitive and perfunctory the first time through", but "nonetheless finds Weezer sounding revitalized in every way." Slant Magazine's Sal Cinquemani described it as "fillerless" and without "much to complain about", despite the lack of songs that "hit the spot" like the singles from Weezer's debut. Pitchfork critic Spencer Owen was more critical, finding the album "average from beginning to end" and lacking in the "sense of dynamics and intricacy that Pinkerton – and especially their debut – held in spades". Sarah Dempster from NME was similarly disappointed: "The most irritating aspect of the Green Album is... the maddening itch of wasted opportunity."

Weezer placed at number 21 on The Village Voice's year-end Pazz & Jop critics' poll for 2001. The album ranked at number 3 in Drowned in Sound's list of the best albums of 2001, while Spin named it the year's ninth best album. Q and Rolling Stone both listed it as one of the best albums of the year. Rolling Stone's Laura Marie Braun wrote in 2016 that the success of Weezer helped give Rivers Cuomo an "ego boost" after the initial lukewarm critical reception to Pinkerton, which in turn helped him reconcile his own conflicted feelings about that album.

Sales
In the United States, Weezer debuted at number four on the Billboard 200 on the week of May 15, 2001 selling 215,000 copies. It was certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) on September 13, 2001. As of August 2009, the album has sold 1,600,000 copies in the United States. In Canada, the album debuted at number two on the Canadian Albums Chart. The album has been certified Platinum by the Canadian Recording Industry Association (CRIA) for 100,000 shipments.

The album debuted at number thirty-one on the UK Albums Chart. In Australia, the album peaked at number twenty-five. Weezer also peaked in the Top Ten in Norway at number eight.

Personnel
Adapted from the album liner notes.

Weezer
 * Rivers Cuomo – vocals, guitar, keyboards
 * Patrick Wilson – drums, percussion
 * Brian Bell – guitar, backing vocals, synthesizer
 * Mikey Welsh – bass, backing vocals

Production
 * Ric Ocasek – producer, backup vocals ("Don't Let Go")
 * Karl Koch – backup vocals ("Don't Let Go")
 * Chris Bilheimer – art direction
 * Femio Hernández – assistant engineer
 * Carlos "Loco" Bedoya – assistant engineer
 * Alan Sanderson – assistant engineer
 * Ken Allardyce – engineer
 * Vladimir Meller – mastering
 * Tom Lord-Alge – mixing
 * Atom Willard – drum technician, uncredited drum fills

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Springfield, Vermont

Springfield is a town in Windsor County, Vermont, United States. As of the 2020 census, the population was 9,062.

History
The land currently recognized as Springfield is the traditional land of the Pennacook and Abenaki people.

One of the New Hampshire grants, the township was chartered on August 20, 1761, by Governor Benning Wentworth and awarded to Gideon Lyman and 61 others. Although Springfield's alluvial flats made it among the best agricultural towns in the state, the Black River falls, which drop 110 ft in 1/8 mi, helped it develop into a mill town. Springfield was located in the center of the Precision Valley region, home of the Vermont machine tool industry.

In 1888, the Jones and Lamson Machine Tool Company (J&L) moved to Springfield from Windsor, Vermont under the successful leadership of James Hartness. Gaining international renown for precision and innovation, J&L ushered in a new era of precision manufacturing in the area. Edwin R. Fellows co-founded the Fellows Gear Shaper Company here in 1896. As knowledge and infrastructure grew to support precision machining, other companies such as the Bryant Chucking Grinder Company and Lovejoy Tool formed, grew, and provided much of the economic engine.

Springfield Telescope Makers, the oldest amateur telescope making club in the United States, has been based in Springfield since its inception in 1920 by Russell W. Porter. The club's pink clubhouse at the Stellafane Observatory was built in 1923 on Breezy Hill, just south of Springfield village, and has hosted an annual convention for astronomers and telescope makers nearly every summer since 1926. Many notable figures in the fields of astronomy and space exploration have attended the convention over the years.

During World War II, Springfield's production of machine tools was of such importance to the American war effort that the US government ranked Springfield (together with the Cone Automatic Machine Company of nearby Windsor) as the seventh most important bombing target in the country.

Springfield is also home to the Eureka Schoolhouse, the oldest one-room school in the state of Vermont. Completed in 1790, the building was in continuous use until 1900 and was restored in 1968 by the Vermont Board of Historic Sites. The school house was named by its first teacher, David Searle, who, after a long journey through the new frontier was heard to cry "Eureka!" upon reaching the new settlement of Springfield. The name stuck, and "Eureka" can still be found in street and business names throughout Springfield.

Several sites in Springfield, including the historic downtown area, have been designated as having historical significance according to the National Register of Historic Places. Among them are the Hartness House (original home of the entrepreneur and governor) and the Gould's Mill Bridge, a steel truss bridge.

On July 10, 2007, Springfield was selected to host the premiere of The Simpsons Movie, which, like the Simpsons TV show, is set in a town called Springfield. In a Fox competition, Vermont was chosen to host the opening for over 13 other places around the nation called Springfield.

Geography
According to the United States Census Bureau, the town has a total area of 49.5 mi2, of which 49.3 mi2 is land and 0.2 mi2 (0.30%) is water. Bounded on the east by the Connecticut River, Springfield is drained by the Black River, which flows directly through downtown. The town includes the village of North Springfield.

Cultural and historic sites

 * Eureka Schoolhouse (1790)
 * Hartness Mansion (1903–1904)
 * Springfield Art & Historical Society
 * The Stellafane National Historic Landmark

Demographics
As of the census of 2000, there were 9,078 people, 3,886 households, and 2,498 families residing in the town. The population density was 184.1 /mi2. There were 4,232 housing units at an average density of 85.8 /mi2. The racial makeup of the town was 97.60% White, 0.24% African American, 0.14% Native American, 0.77% Asian, 0.06% Pacific Islander, 0.18% from other races, and 1.01% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 0.72% of the population.

There were 3,886 households, out of which 28.5% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 49.9% were married couples living together, 10.2% had a female householder with no husband present, and 35.7% were non-families. 30.5% of all households were made up of individuals, and 15.1% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.31 and the average family size was 2.84.

In the town, the population was spread out, with 23.3% under the age of 18, 6.4% from 18 to 24, 25.9% from 25 to 44, 25.4% from 45 to 64, and 19.0% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 42 years. For every 100 females, there were 91.0 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 87.9 males.

The median income for a household in the town was $34,169, and the median income for a family was $42,620. Males had a median income of $31,931 versus $23,019 for females. The per capita income for the town was $18,452. About 8.3% of families and 9.8% of the population were below the poverty line, including 10.3% of those under age 18 and 11.4% of those age 65 or over.

Education
Springfield's public school system currently has two elementary schools, one middle school grades 6–8, and one high school grades 9–12. These schools are overseen by a five-member school board elected individually by staggered elections to three year terms. In 2006 the public technical school, the River Valley Technical Center, left the Springfield School District to form its own district. The Springfield School District is currently undertaking action to renovate its elementary schools. The School Board plans to expand Union Street School and Elm Hill School, while the voters decided in 2008 to cease using Park Street School as a school "As soon as possible" due to prohibitive refurbishment costs and safety issues.

Elementary and middle schools
The city's two public elementary schools are Elm Hill and Union Street Schools.

Riverside Middle School is the town's only public middle school (grades 6–8). It has many fields, including four baseball fields for the elementary, middle-school and high school baseball teams, due to the lack of any fields on the other premises.

Springfield High School
Springfield High School is Springfield's only high school.

 * Team Name: Cosmos
 * School Colors: Green and White

River Valley Technical Center
The River Valley Technical Center is housed in the Howard Dean Education Center and is adjacent to Springfield High School. The RVTC teaches technical courses to the students of Springfield and surrounding towns of Chester, Bellows Falls, Westminster, Ludlow and Charlestown.

Colleges and universities
Springfield is home to branches of the Community College of Vermont and the University of Vermont, which are housed in the Howard Dean Education Center. It does not have a proper college though.

Health care
The Springfield Hospital is located in Springfield.

Transportation
Springfield is crossed by Interstate 91 (Exit 7 serves the town), U.S. Route 5 and Vermont routes 10, 11, 106 and 143. Connecticut River Transit (CRT) provides Springfield with public transportation by bus around town and to Bellows Falls, Ludlow and the White River Junction and Lebanon, New Hampshire areas. The closest Greyhound bus and Amtrak train station is located in Bellows Falls, approximately 10 mi to the south.

Local TV Station
Springfield is home to its own TV station known as SAPA TV. It broadcasts local info, as well as interviews with local bands, business owners, etc.

Notable people

 * Daric Barton, first baseman with the Oakland Athletics
 * George B. Burrows, Wisconsin state legislator
 * Henry W. Closson, U.S. Army brigadier general
 * George M. Darrow, foremost American authority on strawberries
 * Edwin R. Fellows, machine-tool inventor, industrialist
 * Walbridge A. Field, U.S. Representative
 * Helen Hartness Flanders, collector of American folk music
 * Ralph Flanders, machine-tool entrepreneur, banker, senator
 * John Elliot Goodenow, politician in Iowa
 * Albert Lovejoy Gutterson, Olympic gold medalist (long jump)
 * James Hartness, inventor, aviator and 58th governor of Vermont
 * Dudley C. Haskell, U.S. Representative
 * Charles B. Hoard, U.S. Representative
 * Bill Jackowski, professional baseball umpire
 * Joseph B. Johnson, 70th governor of Vermont
 * Kenny Johnson, film and television actor
 * Pattrice Jones, ecofeminist writer, educator, and activist
 * James Kochalka, local cartoonist and rock musician
 * Lewis R. Morris, U.S. Representative
 * Levi P. Morton, 22nd Vice President of the United States
 * Alban J. Parker, Vermont Attorney General
 * Samuel B. Pettengill, U.S. Representative
 * Russell W. Porter, explorer, artist and telescope innovator
 * Asahel Lynde Powers, painter
 * Paul W. Ruse Jr., Vermont State Treasurer
 * Edwin W. Stoughton, lawyer and diplomat
 * James Bates Thomson, mathematician, educator, and author
 * Wheelock G. Veazey, attorney, judge, and government official
 * Louis G. Whitcomb, United States Attorney for Vermont

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Talk:Battle of Aegospotami

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Having gone back and compared with the account in Conon, and seeing different numbers in different books, I'm now completely unsure what numbers of ships to believe were there, and how many escaped. I don't have the relevant volume of Kagan, perhaps he discusses? Stan Shebs 02:18 Feb 13, 2003 (UTC)

Hmm. I'm used to twenty, and sort of assumed the smaller number referred to the ships that went to Cyprus. But checking Xenophon, he clearly states that nine ships escaped, of which only the Paralus returned to Athens. I couldn't find an explanation or primary source for the larger number, so I think we should use the smaller for the time being, and keep our eyes open for a better analysis. -- Josh Grosse

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According to Battle by R.G. Grant, the Athenians had 200 ships, of which more than 190 were destroyed or captured, eight survived and of that one escaped. Tourskin

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The area's name is Aegos potamoi not Aegospotami. These are two words. In greek is Αιγός Ποταμοί. The article should be named battle of Aegos Potami(or Potamoi). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.107.18.0 (talk) 11:25, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, you are right, the spelling is mighty peculiar. Which is it, Greek -oi or Latin -i, Greek -ai or Latin -ae? And why is it rivers of just one goat? Why is it rivers when it is only one river? "Streams of the goat" it would seem to say. If you run it together into a single word then all we need worry about is the final ending and the diphthong. If it is Latinized we get Aegospotami, if not, aigospotamoi. I look back on the Internet and all I see is Aegospotami with but slight lip service given to the -oi form. But, do I find Aegospotami in the unabridged Latin dictionary? No, I do not. I do find Aegos flumen, but that is only one stream. What I suspect is some linguistic skulduggery. Some ancient name was turned into the streams of a goat by people who did not speak the original lingo. Have you ever noticed any flat bushes in Flatbush? Where are all the brooks in Brooklyn? I suggest that the traditional anglicization, which is centuries old, is good enough for us folks. So, I would not change it. This is the English WP. YOu can use the other one in the Greek WP.Dave (talk) 03:41, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

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John Taylor

John Taylor, Johnny Taylor or similar is the name of:

Academics

 * John Taylor (Oxford), Vice-Chancellor of Oxford University, 1486–1487
 * John Taylor (classical scholar) (1704–1766), English classical scholar
 * John Taylor (English publisher) (1781–1864), British publisher and Egypt scholar
 * John B. Taylor (born 1946), American economist, known as the creator of the Taylor rule
 * John Taylor, former Director General of the United Kingdom's Office of Science and Technology, architect of the UK e-Science programme
 * John Taylor, president of Pittsburgh Academy in 1801: see History of the University of Pittsburgh

TV and film

 * John Taylor (documentary filmmaker) (1914–1992), British documentary filmmaker
 * John Taylor (presenter), Australian television presenter
 * John Taylor (voice actor), voice of Sal the space octopus in Astroblast!

Art

 * John Taylor (painter) (c. 1585–1651), artist and friend of Shakespeare
 * John Taylor (1739–1838), English portrait artist
 * John Bigelow Taylor (born 1950), New York photographer

Writing

 * John Taylor (poet) (1578–1653), English pamphleteer, poet and waterman
 * John Taylor (journalist) (1757–1832), English oculist, drama critic, editor and newspaper publisher
 * John Edward Taylor (1791–1844), British journalist, or his son, owners of the Manchester Guardian
 * John Ellor Taylor (1837–1895), popular science writer
 * John Russell Taylor (born 1935), English critic and author
 * John Martin Taylor, American food writer, known as Hoppin' John
 * John W. R. Taylor, British aviation expert and editor

Music

 * John C. J. Taylor (born 1951), Australian bass player, composer, former member of Little Heroes
 * John Lloyd Taylor (born 1982), guitarist with Jonas Brothers
 * John Taylor (bass guitarist) (born 1960), British bassist for Duran Duran
 * John Taylor, composer of the music for the British musical Charlie Girl
 * John Taylor (Geordie songwriter) (1840–1891), songwriter and poet
 * John Taylor (guitarist), lead guitarist for British alternative rock band Young Guns
 * John Taylor (jazz) (1942–2015), English pianist
 * John Taylor (Scottish fiddler), Scottish fiddler from Buckie, appeared in So I Married an Axe Murderer
 * John Taylor (Unitarian hymn writer) (1750–1826), poet and composer from Norwich, England
 * John T. Taylor (saxophonist), saxophonist and co-writer of "The Boy from New York City"
 * Johnnie Taylor (1934–2000), American singer
 * Jonny Taylor, contestant on Australian Idol
 * Little Johnny Taylor (1943–2002), American singer
 * John Taylor (born 1963), Jamaican dancehall musician better known as Chaka Demus.
 * John R. Taylor, recording engineer and producer, co-founder of Grosvenor Road Studios

Comedy

 * Johnny Taylor (comedian), stand-up comedian

Fictional characters

 * John Taylor, protagonist of the Nightside books by Simon Green
 * John Taylor, one of the protagonists in Call of Duty: Black Ops III, a 2015 video game
 * Johnny Taylor, in the TV series Tracy Beaker Returns

Business and trade

 * John Taylor (bookseller) (fl. 1710s), English bookseller and publisher in St. Paul's Churchyard, London
 * John Taylor (manufacturer) (1704–1775), English manufacturer and banker of Birmingham
 * John Taylor of Ashbourne (1711-1788), English lawyer and cleric
 * John Taylor (mining engineer) (1779–1863), English mining engineer and engineer of the Tavistock Canal
 * John Taylor (paper manufacturer) (1809–1871), Canadian pioneer in the pulp and paper industry
 * John Taylor (settler) (1821–1890), settler to York, Western Australia
 * John Taylor (architect) (1833–1912), British architect
 * John Taylor (Taylor Ham) (1837–1909), American food inventor and entrepreneur
 * John Taylor (trader) (died 1898), Creole trader killed during Sierra Leone's Hut Tax War
 * John Taylor (Velocette) (fl. 1900s), founder of Veloce Ltd. motorcycle firm
 * John Taylor (inventor) (born 1936), horologist and inventor of controls for electric kettles
 * Johnny C. Taylor Jr., American lawyer, author and public speaker
 * John Donnithorne Taylor (1798–1885), English landowner
 * John R. Taylor III (born 1957), American computer game designer
 * John William Taylor (1827–1906), English philanthropist and bellfounder
 * Sir John Taylor, 1st Baronet (1745–1786), dilettante

Crime

 * John Taylor (pirate) (fl. 1718–1723), pirate active in the East Indies and Indian Ocean
 * John Albert Taylor (1959–1996), American rapist and murderer, executed by firing squad
 * John B. Taylor, American multiple murderer, convicted for the Wendy's massacre
 * John Taylor (criminal) (born 1956), British convicted murderer and rapist

Military

 * John Taylor (Medal of Honor), American Civil War sailor and Medal of Honor recipient
 * John Taylor (Royal Navy) (1775–1848), Scottish sailor who served with Nelson then emigrated to Canada
 * John Taylor (VC) (1822–1857), English sailor
 * John R. M. Taylor, U.S. infantry captain who compiled what became known as the Philippine Insurgent Records
 * John Taylor (archivist) (1921–2008), American military archivist at the National Archives
 * John Thomas Taylor (1886–1965), American soldier, lawyer, and chief lobbyist for the American Legion from 1919 to 1950
 * John Lowther du Plat Taylor (1829–1904), British founder of the Army Post Office Corps and the Post Office Rifles
 * John Debenham Taylor (1920–2016), British intelligence officer
 * John Taylor, alias of British woman Mary Anne Talbot (1778–1808), who was a sailor and soldier during the French Revolutionary Wars

Australia

 * John Howard Taylor (1861–1925), Western Australian politician
 * John Taylor (Australian politician) (1908–1961), Member of the Queensland Legislative Assembly
 * John Taylor (public servant) (1930–2011), senior Australian public servant

Canada

 * John Richard Parish Taylor (1892–1950), politician in Saskatchewan
 * John Robeson Taylor (1889–1976), politician in Saskatchewan
 * John Russell Taylor (politician) (1917–2002), Canadian MP representing Vancouver-Burrard
 * John Taylor (Manitoba politician) (1834–1925), MLA in Manitoba
 * John Taylor (Nova Scotia politician) (1816–1881), Liberal MHA for Halifax County
 * John Ross Taylor (1913–1994), Canadian neo-Nazi leader

New Zealand

 * John Parkin Taylor (1812–1875), MP for Dunedin Country, Superintendent of Southland Province

Nigeria

 * John Taylor (Nigerian judge) (1917–1973)

United Kingdom

 * John Taylor (fl. 1385–1401), MP for Reigate
 * John Taylor (by 1493–1547 or later), MP for Hastings
 * John Taylor (by 1533–1568), MP for Lichfield
 * John Bladen Taylor (1764-1820), MP for Hythe
 * John Taylor (1655–1729), MP for Sandwich
 * John Taylor, Baron Ingrow (1917–2002), life peer, brewer and politician, former Lord Lieutenant of West Yorkshire
 * John Taylor, Baron Kilclooney (born 1937), Northern Ireland politician
 * John Taylor, Baron Taylor of Holbeach (born 1943), Conservative life peer and director of Taylor's Bulbs of Spalding
 * John Taylor, Baron Taylor of Warwick (born 1952), Conservative
 * John Taylor (Dumbarton Burghs MP) (1857–1936), Liberal MP for Dumbarton Burghs, 1918–1922
 * John Taylor (West Lothian MP) (1902–1962), Labour MP 1951–1962
 * John Taylor (Solihull MP) (1941–2017)
 * John Taylor (trade unionist) (1861/2–1942), councillor in Dudley
 * John George Taylor (fl. 1850s), official of the Foreign Office, archaeologist
 * John Wilkinson Taylor (politician) (1855–1934), Labour MP for Chester-le-Street, 1906–1919
 * John Thomas Taylor (British Museum) (1840–1908), English museum official and local politician

United States

 * John Taylor (South Carolina governor) (1770–1832), American politician from South Carolina
 * John Taylor (14th Congress), American politician from South Carolina
 * John Taylor of Caroline (1753–1824), American politician and scholar from Virginia
 * John Taylor (Mississippi judge) (c. 1785–1820), justice of the first Mississippi Supreme Court
 * John Taylor (19th-century Iowa politician) (1808–1886), member of the Iowa Territorial Legislature and Iowa House of Representatives
 * John Taylor (20th-century Iowa politician) (1870–19??), member of the Iowa House of Representatives and Iowa Senate
 * John C. Taylor (1890–1983), U.S. Representative from South Carolina
 * John J. Taylor (New York politician) (1808–1892), American politician
 * John J. Taylor (Pennsylvania politician) (born 1955), American politician
 * John L. Taylor (1805–1870), U.S. Representative from Ohio, 1847–55
 * John Louis Taylor (1769–1829), chief justice of the North Carolina Supreme Court
 * John M. Taylor, on List of justices of the Alabama Supreme Court
 * John May Taylor (1838–1911), U.S. Representative from Tennessee, 1883–87
 * John P. Taylor (died 1948), American District Attorney in New York, 1914–1920
 * John Stansel Taylor (1871–1936), American citrus grower and politician from Florida
 * John W. Taylor (politician) (1784–1854), New York politician and Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives from 1820 to 1821 and 1825-1827
 * John Wilkinson Taylor (educator) (1906–2001), American educator and international administrator
 * John Edwards Taylor (1834–1914), mayor of Morristown, New Jersey
 * John Peroutt Taylor (1855-1930), American politician from Mississippi

Religion

 * John Taylor (Master of the Rolls) (c. 1480–1534), British religious leader and jurist
 * John Taylor (bishop of Lincoln) (c. 1503–1554), British religious leader, Bishop of Lincoln
 * John Taylor (dissenting preacher) (1694–1761), English Presbyterian theologian
 * John Taylor (archdeacon of Leicester) (1711–1772), English priest
 * John Taylor (Baptist preacher) (1752–1833), Baptist preacher in Kentucky
 * John Taylor (doctor) (died 1821), missionary in India
 * John Taylor (Mormon) (1808–1887), third president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1880–1887
 * John W. Taylor (Mormon) (1858–1916), member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
 * John H. Taylor (Mormon) (1875–1946), leader in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
 * John Taylor (bishop of Sodor and Man) (1883–1961), Church of England bishop, and father of the below Bishop of Winchester
 * John Taylor (bishop of Sheffield) (1912–1971), Bishop of Sheffield in the Church of England
 * John Taylor (bishop of Winchester) (1914–2001), Anglican missionary scholar, and son of the above Bishop of Sodor and Man
 * John Edward Taylor (bishop) (1914–1976), Roman Catholic bishop of Stockholm, 1962–76
 * John Taylor (bishop of St Albans) (1929–2016), British priest, Bishop of St Albans, 1980–1995
 * John Taylor (bishop of Glasgow and Galloway) (1932-2021), British priest, Scottish Episcopal Church, Bishop of Glasgow and Galloway, 1991–1998
 * John H. Taylor (bishop) (born 1954), Episcopal bishop and chief of staff to former U.S. President Richard Nixon

Australia

 * John Taylor (Australian footballer) (born 1963), Australian football player
 * Johnny Taylor (sportsman) (1895–1971), dual international cricketer and rugby union footballer for Australia
 * John Taylor (rugby union, born 1949) (1949–2019), rugby union footballer for Australia
 * John Taylor (cricketer, born 1979), former Western Australia cricketer

United States

 * Jack Taylor (1890s pitcher) (1873–1900), aka "Brewery Jack", baseball player
 * Jack Taylor (1900s pitcher) (1874–1938), baseball player
 * John Taylor (relay runner) (1882–1908), runner; first African American Olympic gold medalist
 * John Taylor (American football) (born 1962), football player
 * John Taylor (baseball) (birth/death dates unknown), Negro leagues baseball player
 * John Taylor (volleyball) (born 1944), American former volleyball player
 * John Taylor (basketball) (born 1989), American professional basketball player
 * John Coard Taylor (1901–1946), American sprinter
 * John I. Taylor (1875–1938), owner of the Boston Red Sox, 1904–11
 * Johnathan Taylor (born 1979), American football player
 * Johnny Taylor (basketball) (born 1974), basketball player
 * Schoolboy Johnny Taylor (1916–1987), American Negro leagues baseball player
 * Steel Arm Johnny Taylor (1879–1956), American Negro leagues baseball player

United Kingdom

 * Jack Taylor (footballer, born 1872) (1872–1949), Scottish footballer (John Daniel Taylor)
 * Jack Taylor (referee) (1930–2012), real name John, English football referee
 * Jock Taylor (John Robert Taylor, 1954–1982), British motorcycle sidecar racer
 * John Henry Taylor (1871–1963), British golfer
 * John Paskin Taylor (1928–2015), British Olympic field hockey player
 * John Taylor (cricketer, born 1819) (1819–1911), English cricketer and clergyman
 * John Taylor (cricketer, born 1849) (1849–1921), Nottinghamshire cricketer
 * John Taylor (cricketer, born 1850) (1850–1924), Yorkshire cricketer
 * John Taylor (cricketer, born 1923) (1923–1991), Hampshire cricketer
 * John Taylor (cricketer, born 1937), English cricketer
 * John Taylor (Welsh footballer) (1874–?), Wrexham A.F.C. and Wales international footballer
 * Jack Taylor (footballer, born 1914), English footballer
 * John Taylor (footballer, born 1924), English footballer
 * Jack Taylor (footballer, born 1924), English footballer
 * John Taylor (footballer, born 1926), English footballer
 * John Taylor (footballer, born 1928), English footballer
 * Brian Taylor (footballer, born 1931) (John Brian Taylor), English footballer
 * John Taylor (footballer, born 1935), English footballer
 * John Taylor (footballer, born 1939), English footballer
 * John Taylor (English footballer, born 1949), English footballer with Chester City, Rochdale and Stockport County
 * John Taylor (Scottish footballer, born 1949), Scottish football goalkeeper
 * John Taylor (footballer, born 1964), English footballer with Cambridge United and Bradford City
 * John Taylor (racing driver) (1933–1966), British racing driver
 * John Taylor (rallycross) (born 1941), Scottish rallycross driver and 1973 European rallycross champion
 * John Taylor (rugby league), rugby league footballer of the 1950s and 1960s
 * John Taylor (rugby union, born 1945) (born 1945), rugby union footballer for British Lions, Wales, Loughborough Colleges, London Welsh, London Counties, and Surrey
 * John Taylor (swimmer) (1904–?), British freestyle swimmer

Other countries

 * John Taylor (cross-country skier) (1908–1989), Canadian Olympic skier
 * John Taylor (hurler), Laois and Portlaoise hurler
 * John Taylor (All Black), rugby player, see List of All Blacks
 * John Taylor (Canadian football) (1925–2005), Canadian Football League player
 * John "Pondoro" Taylor (1904–1969), Irishman, game hunter, developer of the "Taylor KO Factor"

Other

 * John Taylor (born 1980), fitness coach on the reality television series Too Fat for 15: Fighting Back
 * John Taylor (oculist) (1703–1772), surgeon and medical charlatan

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User talk:CatherineMunro/Archive 1

Atlas Shrugged
Much gracias for the work on Atlas Shrugged!! Tuf-Kat

Hi Catherine, are you changing the Atlas Shrugged stuff by hand or by bot. If you're doing it by hand then I'll try and help a bit tomorrow. I like things to be nice and tidy and the /s horrify me! - Ams80 04:26 Mar 13, 2003 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm doing the Atlas Shrugged work by hand. Not changing anything (other than the odd spelling error) -- just consolidating all the Character stubs into one place, and then using "What Links Here" from each stub to send links to the main Characters in Atlas Shrugged page.  Right now that means I'm ending up with links like Dagny Taggart, which aren't pretty, but I'll figure out what to do about that when I (or someone else) gets around to working on the chapters themselves.
 * Thanks for the offer of help! Maybe you could pick a separate topic from the list on Atlas Shrugged (Companies, Concepts, Conflicts, Places, Structure, Symbolism, Technology, Things, Topics of note) and do the same?  Just assemble stubs into a list form for now; we can discuss how else to organize/consolidate later.  Cheers!  Catherine 04:44 Mar 13, 2003 (UTC)

 * OK, I'm going to give Atlas Shrugged/Places a go. Although the Wikipedia isn't being very co-operative right now. Andrew

I removed the horizontal lines from within the sections of Synopsis of Atlas Shrugged, Chapters 1-5, I find it more readable this way as I find it easier to see which section a particular paragraph is in. If you think it was better the other way then please revert the page to the 12:28 Mar 19, 2003 version which is pretty much how you left it bar a few formatting corrections. Have fun, Andrew
 * Oh, forgot to say that if you also think it's better this way then I'll do the same for chapters 6 - 10. -- Andrew

Grammy pages
Hi Catherine, It's good to see some more Grammy links going blue :) -- sannse 22:43 Mar 22, 2003 (UTC)

I've just been talking to Tuf-Kat abut standardising the Grammy award pages some more. I'd welcome your opinion if you have a moment? See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music standards -- sannse 07:40 Mar 23, 2003 (UTC)

Car/Automobile
It might be a good idea to just change the word "car" to "automobile" (or sports car, or whatever is applicable) in articles. If you leave it as "car" people may create wikis to car in the future with the assumption it is the correct link. -- goatasaur

Why are you changing internationally recognised British english terms to American english, particularly in articles that have NOTHING to do with anything American. I am reverting your changes.

 * Hi Catherine - the problem with "automobile" is that it just isn't used in British English (well, not in Britain anyway, nor in Ireland judging from JTD's repsonse ;-). Everyone over here says "car", so having "automobile" in the context of an article on a British subject is rather odd. Of course, when it's an American subject, a straight link to "automobile" is fine, but otherwise it's best to pipe them. --Camembert

Hi Catherine, I'll make a suggestion. Instead of replacing car with automobile, replace it with car. The word automobile means absolutely nothing to most people outside the US. Indeed if would simply add to the impression some people get that Wikipedia is americocentric. If the original article said car, or if it is referring to a country that says car, never automobile, car should be the word used. But using car would allow them to see the word they use while linking directly to the page rather than a disambigulation page. I hope I didn't sound rude. It is just that in the last 24 hours two different people have tried to americanise articles I was working on, in one case an article that was on a topic that not merely had nothing to do with America (it was about England) but predated American english by half a millenium. So I kinda saw red with a case of 'oh, not again' when I saw your renaming. I'll revisit the articles I touched to put in the car link. I hope that is OK with you. Slán. STÓD/ÉÍRE 00:02 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)

Yeah, Cam is right. Ireland never ever says automobile. In fact anyone using it is likely to be tied up and listened to a tape of the collective wisdoms of the George Bushs, senior and junior, played very very slowly. :-) It is an absolute no no linguistically. STÓD/ÉÍRE 00:02 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)

See some comments I put on STÓD/ÉÍRE's talk page on, inter alia, some non-automobile uses of the word "car" in British English. PML.

Don't worry about it Catherine - there's no end to the things I don't know about American English :-) We all have our blind spots and you were just trying to do the right thing. Keep up the good work. --Camembert

No problem at all, Catherine. To think, one language and the way American speak it, the Irish speak it and the british speak it, can be so so different. (BTW the version of english in Ireland is called Hiberno-English, just to confuse things more. It uses a slightly different language structure and is much more expressive, because it combines British english and the language structure of the rarely spoken Irish language or gaelic. So ironically, Europeans come to Ireland, not Britain, to learn British English because they think our version is more freeflowing and more interesting!) BTW number 2: I meant to say, you do some great work on wiki. Keep it up. Slán (gaelic for goodbye) STÓD/ÉÍRE 00:14 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)

What about redirecting automobile to car, and putting a "see also:" at the bottom for the alternate meanings for "car"? -- goatasaur

I thought the correct english word was motorcar, with or without a hyphenRagussa 13:50, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

Doris Humphrey
Hi Catherine, thank you so much for your work on Ms. Humphrey! Lizzy

Insanity
Hi, Catherine Dunno how far along you are on disambiguating insanity, and if you're done I wouldn't worry about it too much, but if you're not, "mental illness" is a medical term, and "insanity" is a legal term...they're not synonyms. (I pay special attention to Colin Ferguson because I had to fight so hard to make it into a real article) -- Someone else 19:31 Apr 22, 2003 (UTC)
 * Hi Someone! Re: Colin Ferguson -- I tried to be distinct about insane -- that it was claimed that he was insane (directed to mental illness) and that he refused to plead insanity (directed to insanity defense). Did I miss a subtlety? I did consider rewording the sentence so that it said "refused to use the insanity defense", to remove ambiguity, but it seemed to be fairly carefully composed, so I refrained. Suggestions? --Catherine
 * Well, for the sake of argument, I'd say that Kuby and Kunstler, being lawyers, were arguing that he was insane (as in insanity defense) not that he was insane (as in mentally ill) though being lawyers they were of course arguing both at the same time . But I don't think it needs to be fixed or worried about, I just wanted to get a precautionary word in if you were going thru all the articles disambiguating. -- Someone else 21:55 Apr 22, 2003 (UTC)

Excused me have you got Assaultheads emails that were sent to you? He is just wondering how long you are going to ban him from the Wikias? He did alot of good editing on the CNC Wikias and also did not even vandalized anything he is trying to talk.(TougHHead 04:53, 4 November 2007 (UTC))

Invitation to Admin
We are trying to increase the number of people who are Wikipedia Administrators. Until now, we've been relying on users to take the initiative to ask for this access themselves but this has resulted in a slow rate Admin rank expansion. So we've gone ahead nominated and approved you and several other long-time users for the account upgrade. This means that your fellow Wikipedians feel that you are a responsible, well-known, and fair-minded user.

Agreeing to be an Administrator does not mean that you are expected to do any additional work above and beyond what you do now ; It just means that we trust you to to have certain privileges and responsibilities that can't be entrusted to random users (such as editing the Main Page, protected policy pages, or banning the IPs of vandals).

All we need from you now is your consent. You can either send an email to WikiEN-L (preferred) or simply state "I agree" on the bottom of this page.

-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)

Meelar
I've never seen the movie you mention. "Meelar" is just a corruption of Miller, my last name. I picked it up in roughly 8th grade or so--i.e. 6-7 years ago. Thanks for your kind comments though, Meelar 22:27, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

John Taylor
Hi, Catherine. Thanks for the thanks on the John Taylor article. I hope you'll still add more the article. There is so much more that could be said. - Rlvaughn 22:20, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Kimba
No problem on Kimba. I remember it from when I was a kid too, though it must have been re-runs then. All I really remember is the opening sequence, with Kimba running... moink 23:06, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Tintin
Thank you much for your work on the Tintin articles. I haven't read them in years. They needed someone to do them justice. Yours, Meelar 02:49, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Title
Thanks for the kudos. Actually I have an account but I don't often log in because my computer has been refusing to keep me logged in when I reboot, making it a pain in the ass. Montrealais

Duran Duran
Thanks for the confidence in suggesting I review the edits to the Duran Duran entry. It all looks very good. There are a raft of things that could be added, but that I think would be far to much minutia and would on balance give it an over pedantic and obsessive quality. I didn't spot any further real edits to make, though I expanded the passage a bit about Steven Duffy to include references to his subsequent (to Duran) hit "Kiss Me (with your mouth)" which he recorded under the band name Tintin. This might be something you might want to add to your Tintin edits to that article. Anything I can do to fill in the gaps of Duran or 80s music I will gladly do. I want to eventually greatly expand the Gary Numan entry for example. Lestatdelc 21:49, Apr 5, 2004 (UTC)

Images
Catherine, you asked on SQL query requests for someone to run a query to get all the images you've uploaded. I hacked something up (sans SQL) - here's a list of all the edits you've made to articles with "Image:" in their title. I don't know for sure that this is comprehensive, I'm afraid. Sorry for the icky format:

 * 01:37, 31 Jan 2004 Image:Cranefly.jpg (crane fly (tipulidae))
 * 01:51, 31 Jan 2004 Image:Brown recluse.jpg (brown recluse spider)
 * 04:53, 28 Feb 2003 Image:Diskharrow.png (Disc harrow)
 * 06:01, 5 Apr 2004 Image:Kittens.jpg (kittens - GFDL image)
 * 06:28, 5 Apr 2004 Image:Padlock.jpg (Padlock - GFDL image)
 * 06:32, 6 Feb 2004 Image:Duranduranalbum1981.jpg (Duran Duran  1981)
 * 06:34, 5 Apr 2004 Image:Laundromat.jpg (Laundromat - GFDL image)
 * 09:34, 1 Mar 2003 Image:Schizomid.jpg (schizomid (arachnid))
 * 16:48, 27 Feb 2003 Image:Pseudoscorpion.jpg (Pseudoscorpion)
 * 17:46, 26 Feb 2004 Image:Churro shape.png (public domain)
 * 17:49, 26 Feb 2004 Image:Darkcircles albumcover.jpg (fair use)
 * 17:50, 26 Feb 2004 Image:Rio cover.jpg (fair use)
 * 19:45, 16 Dec 2003 Image:Harvestman-lg.jpg (Harvestman, large)
 * 20:02, 16 Dec 2003 Image:Harvestman-sm.gif (Harvestman, small)
 * 20:47, 29 Mar 2004 Image:Pipe shape.png (Pipe illustration)
 * 22:31, 30 Jan 2004 Image:Pholcus.jpg (cellar spider)
 * 22:42, 11 Apr 2004 Image:Princeglyph.png (Prince glyph)
 * 23:25, 26 Nov 2003 Image:Duranduran weddingalbum cover.jpg (fair use)

Hope this makes sense (I really should try the same thing on myself...) -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 23:45, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks much! Catherine - talk 04:26, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Piped dates
Good morning, Catherine. Thanks for the note; I'm afraid I'm guitly of serial infractions of the piped date convention, but will mend my ways and the now piped pages. Best wishes --Tagishsimon 07:56, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Smart phone
Hi Catherine Good morning from Japan. There's a Smartphone entry already, merge? I was thingking of redirecting. I didn't know it was there already.Jondel 01:36, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the Smartphone Redirects. Keep up the Good Work. BTW, why not insert your paragraph about the Motorola and MS deal?Jondel

John Taylor (Taylor Ham)
I see (sort of) how your mind works and I like it: research John Taylor and come up with all sorts of wonderful people. I live 60 miles north of Trenton, New Jersey and knew Taylor ham was from there. Now I suppose I'll have to write an article on Taylor ham! (Since Waterfront Park, a baseball stadium, first opened in Trenton, "Trenton Pork Roll by Taylor" (a local variation of Taylor ham) has advertised on the outfield wall. Y'know, I don't think anyone more than 100 miles from Trenton knows what Taylor ham is!  (Pardon my ramble.))  CharlieZeb 02:08, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply; I'll have to get on a Taylor ham article. Nothing like Taylor ham, egg and cheese to start a Saturday morning! CharlieZeb 19:46, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Taylor Ham article is done (at least for now). Now I could use one of those sandwiches ... CharlieZeb 04:05, 8 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the compliment on Taylor Ham. All I have to do is learn exactly what pork roll is ... CharlieZeb 19:58, 13 May 2004 (UTC)

George Devey
Many thanks for tidying up my George Devey; I can never spot my own mistakes, it reads far better, thanks to your input. Ragussa 14:35, 9 May 2004 (UTC)

Crufts page
Hi Catherine. Thanks for the copyediting on the Crufts article - I've removed the extra link added as one of the links already there (crufts.org.uk) redirected to the same page. --DomCleal 12:18, 13 May 2004 (UTC)

West Wycombe Park
Hi Grammatical Expert!

I've just done a page on West Wycombe Park if you have time could you tidy it up, before somebody else gets theit interfering mits on it! I would appreciate itRagussa 20:58, 13 May 2004 (UTC)

Hi Catherine

It's all my own work -promise. I found when (before I registered a name) when one wrote an architectural appraisal, and mentioned a famous name, some one would usually jump in and write a biography in middle of the article, which I felt did not sit happily there, hence I was trying to say 'yes I know he did a lot of other things, buts it's nothing to do with this article'.

Far from being biased, I was trying to point out that while people sneer at Waddesdeon for being a mish-mash of styles, West Wycombe is actually no better, but because people tend to approve of classical architecture, we tend to admire West Wycombe and sneer at other types of copies and fakes. I wasn't totally happy with the article anyway, and it does read a lot better now. Thanks - The only thing you've taken out I'd rather left in was the mixture of Ionic and corinthean which was the crux of the point I was too subtly trying to make.

There is absolutely nothing quoted verbatim, dates and names were extracted from: West Wycombe Park; published by Country Life 1967. The National Trust by Peter Ryan published by Dent 1969; Villas and Palaces of Europe; Paul Hamlyn 1966. and finaly the architects bible World Architecture, Hamly revised 1970.

What I think should be done with buildings is write an appraisal trying to explain the whys and reasons for that particular design, but at the same time leave the aristocrats who paid the bills to their own devices and pages elsewhere. By the way I'm dyxlexic, which spell check can usually disguise a bit, but that's why things can come aout a bit disjointed!! Thanks for the work so far Ragussa 07:46, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

Hi again

I've just re-read West Wycombe, I think it stands fine as you have left it, perhaps ends a bit abruptly, but definitely not part of the itinerary of a coach outing for the WI! I think I will leave well alone. Hope you don't mind me asking your opponion all the time. I'm not going to do a biography of Francis Dashwood, as I think he was probably quite unpleasant and is best left in his mausoleum!Ragussa 08:29, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

Apismellifera
Hi

I got a message about Apismellifera. I understand it'll be directed to honeybee. Yea, I'm doing this as a class project as in putting information. Is it possible if I can keep the webpage for a month after it gets graded? This is my first time and all. Thanks. Arrowhead

West Wycombe Park
Hi Grammatical Expert!

I've just done a page on West Wycombe Park if you have time could you tidy it up, before somebody else gets theit interfering mits on it! I would appreciate itRagussa 20:58, 13 May 2004 (UTC)

 * Hi Catherine

 * It's all my own work -promise. I found when (before I registered a name) when one wrote an architectural appraisal, and mentioned a famous name, some one would usually jump in and write a biography in middle of the article, which I felt did not sit happily there, hence I was trying to say 'yes I know he did a lot of other things, buts it's nothing to do with this article'.

 * Far from being biased, I was trying to point out that while people sneer at Waddesdeon for being a mish-mash of styles, West Wycombe is actually no better, but because people tend to approve of classical architecture, we tend to admire West Wycombe and sneer at other types of copies and fakes. I wasn't totally happy with the article anyway, and it does read a lot better now. Thanks - The only thing you've taken out I'd rather left in was the mixture of Ionic and corinthean which was the crux of the point I was too subtly trying to make.

 * There is absolutely nothing quoted verbatim, dates and names were extracted from: West Wycombe Park; published by Country Life 1967. The National Trust by Peter Ryan published by Dent 1969; Villas and Palaces of Europe; Paul Hamlyn 1966. and finaly the architects bible World Architecture, Hamly revised 1970.

 * What I think should be done with buildings is write an appraisal trying to explain the whys and reasons for that particular design, but at the same time leave the aristocrats who paid the bills to their own devices and pages elsewhere. By the way I'm dyxlexic, which spell check can usually disguise a bit, but that's why things can come aout a bit disjointed!!  Thanks for the work so far Ragussa 07:46, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

 * Hi again

 * I've just re-read West Wycombe, I think it stands fine as you have left it, perhaps ends a bit abruptly, but definitely not part of the itinerary of a coach outing for the WI! I think I will leave well alone. Hope you don't mind me asking your opponion all the time.  I'm not going to do a biography of Francis Dashwood, as I think he was probably quite unpleasant and is best left in his mausoleum!Ragussa 08:29, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

Apismellifera
Hi

I got a message about Apismellifera. I understand it'll be directed to honeybee. Yea, I'm doing this as a class project as in putting information. Is it possible if I can keep the webpage for a month after it gets graded? This is my first time and all. Thanks. Arrowhead

Hekhsher
Edits look good to me, thanks for the contribs! Jewbacca 04:05, May 25, 2004 (UTC)

Chequers
Catherine

Could you cast your eye over Chequers I have just given it a major re-write, it was full of mistakes before and (I think unsalvageable). While I am possitive of my facts, could you sort out the grammar before the previous editors take it to pieces and clammer for my blood. Regards Giacomo di Ragussa 17:46, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the work on Chequers. I can speak English fine, but just never spot the errors! Thanks Ragussa 06:20, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

 * Yes I did see the question, and have ammended it. This is why I need some-one to check. The English is no problem but being dylexic I can get all my numbers muddled up! and not spot it, spell check does my spellings, but not the maths (alas!) I do appreciate your efforts, I see my Nemisis, Francs 2000 beat you there! I am thinking I have intruded on his patch. I have just done Dorneywood today, I suppose Chevening will have to be next.  Then I think I'll even the balance and do a few European

Giacomo Leoni
Hi Catherine

If you have time, could you have a look at Giacomo Leoni for me and check the grammar etc. I have tried to make iy unbiased, but on this one it was quite hard. Giacomo/di Ragussa 12:12, 30 May 2004 (UTC)

George Devey copy
I have just found this on a google search while trying to do some proper work (ie paid!)  It seems to contain George Devey and is a complete lift of a page I put (and you helped me with the grammar etc.) on Wikipedia, it has no credits or mention of the project. (I don't want these credits anyway, but the site is full of adverts, so who is making money?} is this an allied project or just rampant plagiarism?

I am thinking you just may be interested - Giano/ di Ragussa User talk:Ragussa 20:16, 30 May 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. You are right there is now a link in the very small print at the bottom. I think the Wikipedia is such a good idea, I don't like to see it abused, also as you sa if there is a mistake on a page it remains stuck there/out of date. Thanking anyhow:   Giano

Nice work!
I just stumbled upon the Duran Duran article and found it to be very complete and well-written. In fact I would nominate it for featured article status if the TOC could be condensed a bit and a few more photos were added. Still great work all-around. :) --mav 08:47, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Your images
Here's the result of your request at SQL query requests. This list contains all image pages where a version from you is anywhere in the image history. Please let me know if you see any problems - I'm still learning my way around the database organisation. Jamesday 03:26, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC) mysql> select distinct concat(' Image:', img_name, '') as name from image where img_user=8316 union select distinct concat(' Image:', oi_name, '') as name from oldimage where oi_user=8316 order by name asc;

Image:AlternateRioalbumcover.jpg Image:Brown_recluse.jpg Image:Cathmunro.jpg Image:Celticknotwork.png Image:Churro_shape.png Image:Cranefly.jpg Image:Darkcircles_albumcover.jpg Image:Diskharrow.png Image:Duranduran1983.png Image:Duranduran_weddingalbum_cover.jpg Image:Duranduranalbum1981.jpg Image:Harvestman-lg.jpg (deleted -- superseded by GFDL image) Image:Jack_taylor_pitcher.jpg Image:Kittens.jpg Image:Laundromat.jpg Image:Padlock.jpg Image:Pholcus.jpg Image:Pipe_shape.png Image:Powerstation_albumcover.jpg Image:Powerstation_albumcover_33.jpg Image:Powerstation_publicityphoto.jpg Image:Princeglyph.png Image:Pseudoscorpion.jpg Image:Rio_cover.jpg Image:Schizomid.jpg Image:Simon_le_Bon_GFDL.jpg

Arts categories
Hi,

I noticed that you have recently created some sub-categories in the visual arts. Can I also encourage you to join the categorisation discussion at Category talk:Art -- Solipsist 21:04, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Sancy
Hi there. I'd just like to thank you for your additions to Sancy (a while ago, I know). Much appreciated. -- Hadal 13:06, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

My Lai
Thanks for all the work on My Lai! Good stuff.

Wikilove, Quadell (talk) 13:50, Sep 9, 2004 (UTC)

Churro
Hi. I just want to say I really liked the churro image you created for the article. Both creative and funny at the same time. And it works, too! Don't know what kind of tool you used for the model, but it's nice. Carry on. – Kaonashi 05:06, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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John Taylor (jazz)

John Taylor (25 September 1942 – 17 July 2015) was a British jazz pianist, born in Manchester, England, who occasionally performed on the organ and the synthesizer. In his obituary, The Guardian described him as "one of the great jazz pianists and composers of his generation" and at a musical level comparable to Herbie Hancock, Chick Corea, Keith Jarrett, McCoy Tyner and Brad Meldhau.

Early life
John Taylor was a self-taught pianist. With his family, he moved from Manchester, first to the Midlands and then to Hastings where he played locally. In 1964, Taylor became a civil servant, moved to London and became involved in the free jazz scene.

Performing career
Taylor first came to the attention of the jazz community in 1969, when he partnered with saxophonists Alan Skidmore and John Surman. He was later reunited with Surman in the short-lived group Morning Glory and, in the 1980s, with Miroslav Vitous's quartet.

In the early 1970s, Taylor was accompanist to the singer Cleo Laine and started to compose for his own sextet. He also worked with many visiting artists at Ronnie Scott's Jazz Club in London, and later became a member of Scott's quintet.

In 1977, Taylor formed the trio Azimuth, with Norma Winstone and Kenny Wheeler. On some of the group's recordings, Taylor played synthesiser and organ. The group was described by Richard Williams as "one of the most imaginatively conceived and delicately balanced contemporary chamber-jazz groups". The trio made several recordings for ECM Records and performed in Europe, the US and Canada.

The 1980s saw Taylor working with groups led by Jan Garbarek, Enrico Rava, Gil Evans, Lee Konitz and Charlie Mariano, as well as performing in duos with Tony Coe and Steve Argüelles. Composing projects included a commission for the English choir Cantamus Girls Choir with Lee Konitz and Steve Argüelles and pieces for the Hannover Radio Orchestra with Stan Sulzmann. Taylor also performed on David Sylvian's song "Laughter and Forgetting", on which Kenny Wheeler also featured.

From 2006, Taylor was a member of Kenny Wheeler's quartet and large ensemble and performed in duo and quartet settings with John Surman; their recording of Ambleside Days on ahum won critical acclaim. In 1996 Taylor played organ on Surman's choral work Proverbs and Songs from Salisbury Cathedral, later released on ECM Records. During the 1990s, he made several recordings also for ECM with Peter Erskine's trio with Palle Danielsson on bass.

In 2000, Taylor made a new collaboration with Azimuth and the Smith Quartet for the Weimar Festival. Also in that year, he recorded Verso with Maria Pia De Vito and Ralph Towner.

Taylor celebrated his 60th birthday in 2002 with a Contemporary Music Network Tour, in which he presented his new trio with drummer Joey Baron and Marc Johnson on bass. The tour also featured the Creative Jazz Orchestra playing Taylor's composition "The Green Man Suite". In July 2002, Taylor received the BBC Jazz Award for 'Best New Work' for this suite.

Taylor's trio recording with Johnson and Baron was released early in 2003, and September 2003 saw the release of his solo CD Insight on Sketch. John Fordham wrote in The Guardian: "This is one of contemporary jazz's great performers at work ... a beautiful solo statement by a very modest star." In 2004, Taylor recorded Where Do We Go from Here? in duo with Kenny Wheeler and Nightfall with bassist Charlie Haden. They subsequently performed at the Montreal International Jazz Festival. Also that year Taylor formed a new trio with Palle Danielsson and Martin France. They performed at the Vancouver Jazz Festival and recorded Angel of the Presence for CAM Jazz. This recording was released in January 2006 to coincide with their UK tour and has received critical acclaim.

Keyboard style
While Taylor's unique piano style drew on the whole of the jazz pallette and considerable influence from classical music, his approach was characterised by a sophisticated and advanced rhythmic and harmonic sensibility. Rhythmically he specialised in asymmetrical meters and in employing "drumming" patterns on the keyboard. Harmonically, he significantly developed and expanded the harmonic vocabulary of musicians such as Bill Evans and Gil Evans.

Teaching
Taylor was professor of Jazz Piano at the Cologne College of Music from 1993 onwards, and became a lecturer in jazz at University of York in 2005. He coached and taught undergraduate jazz musicians and was of central importance to the new master's degree jazz pathway and in advancing doctoral research and performance in jazz.

Family
Taylor was married to jazz vocalist Norma Winstone from 1972 until their divorce. The couple had two sons: Leo Taylor, a drummer with indie rock band The Invisible; and Alex Taylor, a singer-songwriter. John Taylor was married to Diana (née de Courcy) until her death in 2004 from cancer, and his subsequent marriage to childhood sweetheart Carol Weston, lasted for the rest of his life.

Death
Taylor died on 17 July 2015, following a heart attack he suffered while performing at the Saveurs Jazz Festival in Segré, France. Although he was resuscitated at the venue, he died after being taken to hospital.

As co-leader and sideman
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title: John Taylor (jazz)