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Russ Meyer

Russell Albion Meyer (March 21, 1922 – September 18, 2004) was an American film director, producer, screenwriter, cinematographer, and editor. He is known primarily for writing and directing a series of successful sexploitation films that featured campy humor, sly satire and large-breasted women, such as Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!. Meyer often named Beyond the Valley of the Dolls (1970) as his definitive work.

Early years
Russ Meyer was born in San Leandro, California, the son of Lydia Lucinda (Hauck) and William Arthur Meyer, an Oakland police officer. His parents were both of German descent. Meyer's parents divorced soon after he was born, and Meyer was to have virtually no contact with his father during his life. When he was 14 years old, his mother pawned her wedding ring in order to buy him an 8 mm film camera. He made a number of amateur films at the age of 15, and served during World War II as a U.S. Army combat cameraman for the 166th Signal Photo Company, ultimately attaining the rank of staff sergeant.

In the Army Meyer forged his strongest friendships, and he would later ask many of his fellow combat cameramen to work on his films. Much of Meyer's work during World War II can be seen in newsreels and in the film Patton (1970).

On his return to civilian life, he was unable to secure cinematography work in Hollywood due to a lack of industry connections. He made industrial films, freelanced as a still photographer for mainstream films (including Giant), and became a well-known glamour photographer whose work included some of the initial shoots for Hugh Hefner's Playboy magazine. Meyer would go on to shoot three Playboy centerfolds during the magazine's early years, including one of his then-wife Eve Meyer in 1955. He also shot a pictorial of then-wife Edy Williams in March 1973.

Early films
Meyer was the cinematographer for the 1950 Pete DeCenzie film French Peep Show, and the 1954 Samuel Newman production, The Desperate Women, among the few Hollywood films to depict a woman dying from an illegal abortion in pre–Roe v. Wade America, the original version of which is believed lost.

The Immoral Mr. Teas and "nudie cuties"
His first feature, the naughty comedy The Immoral Mr. Teas (1959), cost $24,000 to produce and eventually grossed more than $1 million on the independent/exploitation circuit, enthroning Meyer as "King of the Nudies." It is considered one of the first nudie-cuties.

Russ Meyer was an auteur who wrote, directed, edited, photographed and distributed all his own films. He was able to finance each new film from the proceeds of the earlier ones, and became very wealthy in the process.

Meyer followed Teas with some shorts, This Is My Body (1960) and The Naked Camera, then made a second nudie cutie, Eve and the Handyman (1960). This starred Meyer's wife Eve and Anthony-James Ryan, both of whom would be crucial to the production of Meyer's films.

His next features were Erotica (1961) and Wild Gals of the Naked West (1962). Audience reception of Wild Gals was lukewarm, and Meyer decided to change genres.

He did a documentary, Europe in the Raw (1963), and tried a comedy, Heavenly Bodies! (1963).

He then directed a version of Fanny Hill (1964) in Europe.

Lorna and the "Gothic" period
Lorna (1964) marked the end of Meyer's "nudies" and his first foray into serious film making.

He followed this with three other similar films, and would call this his "Gothic" period: Mudhoney (1965),  Motorpsycho (1965) and Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill! (1965).

Lorna was very successful commercially, making almost a million dollars. Mudhoney was more ambitious, based on a novel, and did not perform as well. Motorpsycho, about three men terrorising the countryside, was a big hit—so much so Meyer decided to make a film about three bad girls, Faster Pussycat. ''Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!'' was commercially underwhelming but would eventually be acclaimed as a cult classic. It has a following all over the world and has inspired countless imitations, music videos and tributes.

Color melodramas
Meyer made the popular mockumentary Mondo Topless (1966) with the remnants of his production company's assets and made two mildly successful color melodramas: Common Law Cabin (1967) and Good Morning... and Goodbye! (1967).

Meyer made headlines once again in 1968 with the controversial Vixen!. Although its lesbian overtones are tame by today's standards, the film—envisaged by Meyer and longtime producer Jim Ryan as a reaction to provocative European art films—grossed millions on a five-figure budget and captured the zeitgeist just as The Immoral Mr. Teas had a decade earlier.

He followed it with Finders Keepers, Lovers Weepers! (1969), and Cherry, Harry & Raquel! (1970), which utilized long montages of the California landscape (replete with anti-marijuana voiceovers) and Uschi Digard dancing in the desert as the film's "lost soul." These plot devices were necessitated after lead actress Linda Ashton left the shoot early, forcing Meyer to compensate for 20 minutes of unshot footage.

20th Century Fox: Beyond the Valley of the Dolls and The Seven Minutes
After the unexpected success of Columbia Pictures' low-budget Easy Rider, and impressed by Meyer's frugality and profitability, Richard D. Zanuck and David Brown of 20th Century Fox signed Meyer to produce and direct a proposed sequel to Valley of the Dolls in 1969, fulfilling Meyer's longstanding ambition to direct for a major Hollywood studio. What eventually appeared was Beyond the Valley of the Dolls (1970), scripted by Chicago Sun-Times film critic and longtime Meyer devotee Roger Ebert. Ebert, who became the first film critic to receive the Pulitzer Prize for Criticism in 1975, would remain a close friend and key artistic collaborator for the remainder of Meyer's life.

The film bears no relation to the novel or film adaptation's continuity, a development necessitated when Jacqueline Susann sued the studio after several drafts of her script were rejected. Many critics perceive the film as perhaps the greatest expression of his intentionally vapid surrealism, with Meyer going so far as to refer to it as his definitive work in several interviews. Others, such as Variety, saw it "as funny as a burning orphanage and a treat for the emotionally retarded." Contractually stipulated to produce an R-rated film, the brutally violent climax (depicting a decapitation) ensured an X rating (eventually reclassified to NC-17 in 1990). Despite gripes from the director after he attempted to recut the film to include more titillating scenes after the ratings debacle, it still earned $9 million domestically in the United States on a budget of $2.09 million.

The executives at Fox were delighted with the box office success of Dolls and signed a contract with Meyer to make three more films: The Seven Minutes, from a bestseller by Irving Wallace; Everything in the Garden, from a play by Edward Albee; and The Final Steal, from a 1966 novel by Peter George. "We've discovered that he's very talented and cost conscious", said Zanuck. "He can put his finger on the commercial ingredients of a film and do it exceedingly well. We feel he can do more than undress people."

Per his new contract, Meyer then made a faithful adaptation of The Seven Minutes (1971). Featuring loquacious courtroom scenes alongside little nudity, the comparatively subdued film was commercially unsuccessful, and his oeuvre would be disowned by the studio for decades after Zanuck and Brown departed to form an independent production company in 1972.

Return to independent film making
Richard Zanuck, who brought Meyer to Fox, had moved to Warner Bros and there was some talk Meyer would make a film at that studio. However, Meyer would never make a studio film again. He returned to grindhouse-style independent cinema in 1973 with the blaxploitation period piece Black Snake, which was dismissed by critics and audiences as incoherent.

Foxy, a proposed vehicle for Edy Williams, was cancelled in the wake of the United States Supreme Court's Miller v. California decision in June 1973, which modified its definition of obscenity from that of "utterly without socially redeeming value" to that which lacks "serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value". His marriage to Williams subsequently disintegrated.

"Those years were very confusing to me", said Meyer. "But instead of rushing off and throwing myself out the window, I was able to psychoanalyze myself and discern what was best for me. I looked myself square in the face and realized I couldn't do everything."

In 1975, he released Supervixens, a return to the world of big bosoms, square jaws, and the Sonoran Desert that earned $17 million in the United States on a shoestring budget.

Meyer's theatrical career ended with the release of the surreal Up! (1976) and 1979's Beneath the Valley of the Ultra-Vixens, his most sexually graphic films. Film historians and fans have called these last three films "Bustoons" because his use of color and mise en scène recalled larger-than-life pop art settings and cartoonish characters.

In 1977, Malcolm McLaren hired Meyer to direct a film starring The Sex Pistols. Meyer handed the scriptwriting duties over to Ebert, who, in collaboration with McLaren, produced a screenplay entitled 'Who Killed Bambi?' According to Ebert, filming ended after a day and a half when the electricians walked off the set after McLaren was unable to pay them. (McLaren has claimed that the project was scrapped at the behest of the main financier and Meyer's erstwhile employer, 20th Century Fox, whose board of directors considered the prospect of a Meyer production to be untenable and incompatible with the insurgent family values ethos in popular culture.) The project ultimately evolved into The Great Rock 'n' Roll Swindle.

Later years
Despite hardcore pornographic films overtaking Meyer's softcore market share, he retired from filmmaking in the late 1970s a very wealthy man. He made a one-off return to filmmaking in 2001 to direct Russ Meyer's Pandora Peaks, featuring the nude glamour model of the same name. Around the same time, he also participated in Voluptuous Vixens II, a made-for-video softcore production by Playboy.

Use of satire
Russ Meyer was also adept at mocking moral stereotypes and flagrantly lampooning conservative American values. Many of his films feature a narrator who attempts to give the audience a "moral roadmap" of what they are watching. Like his contemporary Terry Southern, Meyer realized that sex—as one of the few common interests among most humans—was a natural vehicle for satirizing values and conventions held by the Greatest Generation. According to Roger Ebert in a commentary recorded in 2003 for the DVD release of Beyond the Valley of the Dolls, Meyer continually reiterated that this irreverence was the true secret to his artistic success.

Meyer was also known for his quick wit. While participating with Ebert in a panel discussion at Yale University, he was confronted by an angry woman who accused him of being "nothing but a breast man." His immediate reply: "That's only the half of it."

The Meyer physical archetype
Russ Meyer's lifelong unabashed fixation on large breasts featured prominently in all his films and is his best-known character trait both as an artist and as a person. His discoveries include Kitten Natividad, Erica Gavin, Lorna Maitland, Tura Satana, and Uschi Digard among many others. The majority of them were naturally large-breasted and he occasionally cast women in their first trimesters of pregnancy as it enhanced their breast size even further.

Rarely were there cosmetically enhanced breasts in any of his films until Up! (1976) and Beneath the Valley of the Ultra-Vixens (1979). However, by the early 1980s, when surgical advancements had made the gargantuan breasts of Meyer's fantasies a reality, many felt he had started viewing the female body as simply a "tit transportation device" and that his aesthetic vision was no longer attractive or vibrant. Darlene Gray, a natural 36H-22-33 from Great Britain who appeared in Mondo Topless (1966), is said to be Russ Meyer's most busty discovery.

The Russ Meyer female physical archetype is fairly complex to decipher. Firstly, it's not to be confused with today's surgically enhanced Hollywood porn starlets or even slim, naturally endowed actresses. Russ Meyer was almost as much about a shapely 1950s hip-to-waist ratio or "wasp waist" as he was about very large breasts. The six-pack abdominal muscles and built-up squarish appearance of modern Hollywood figures do not mesh with his pin-up aesthetic. Secondly, he required that even his most busty actresses looked good braless; "gravity-defying" and "cantilevered" became two of his favorite expressions.

In his films such as Vixen! and Cherry, Harry & Raquel!, some of the actresses do not have large (by Russ Meyer standards) breasts yet their chests are always accentuated by use of camera angles and well-constructed bras. Reportedly, Erica Gavin was cast as the lead in Vixen! because her "smaller" bust would make the character "more relatable to women."

He went on record numerous times to say that Anita Ekberg was the most beautiful woman he ever photographed and that her 39DD breasts were the biggest in A-list Hollywood history, dwarfing both Jayne Mansfield and Sabrina. Dolly Parton was the only modern Hollywood actress Meyer ever expressed interest in working with.

While he often referred to his actresses as "Junoesque" and "Amazonian", this was probably more in their spirit than their actual physiques" as Meyer rarely cast very tall or symmetrically built actresses with strong legs and large posteriors.

So while the general public could easily perceive Jane Russell or Sophia Loren as "Russ Meyer material", their balanced bodies did not mesh with Meyer's precise aesthetic preferences." And indeed, Meyer said many times that it was Gina Lollobrigida's smaller-breasted figure that he preferred visually over her larger-breasted, taller and bigger-hipped rival, Sophia Loren. Thus, Meyer's oeuvre shows the viewer that while his actresses could easily be described as voluptuous, buxom and curvaceous, it's debatable to some if they were strapping, stately or even statuesque as Meyer readily proclaimed.

The tallest actress Meyer ever cast in a lead was the 1.75 m, slim-hipped, huge-breasted Lorna Maitland (working with whom he admitted he found intimidating). Nearly all the other women he featured were no taller than 1.71 m. Tura Satana's performance as Varla in Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill! was Meyer's only true portrayal of the large, strong and aggressive Amazonian archetype in the classic visual sense.

Female empowerment
Film historian and Meyer biographer Jimmy McDonough posits that Russ Meyer's usage of physically and sexually overwhelming female characters places him in his own separate genre. He argues that despite portraying women as sex objects, Meyer nonetheless depicts them as more powerful than men and is therefore an inadvertent feminist filmmaker.

In many of Meyer's films, women eventually defeat men, winning sexual fulfillment as their reward, e.g., Super Vixen (Supervixens), Margo Winchester (Up!) and Lavonia Shedd (Beneath the Valley of the Ultra-Vixens). Even in the 1950s and 1960s, his films were sometimes centered on a woman's need and struggle for sexual satisfaction (Lorna, Good Morning and... Goodbye! and Beneath the Valley of the Ultra-Vixens). Additionally, Russ Meyer's female characters were often allowed to express anger and violence towards men (Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill! and Supervixens).

Yet in his research, McDonough also notes that Meyer's female characters were limited in how powerful they could appear; often the female lead is raped (Up! and Lorna) or brutally murdered (Beyond the Valley of the Dolls, Supervixens, Lorna and Blacksnake). While Russ Meyer may have championed powerful woman characters, he also forced them into violent and terrifying situations, making them prove their physical and mental strength against tremendous odds. He also ensured that women's breasts were at least semi-exposed during these ordeals for comic or erotic effect. Furthermore, according to frequent collaborator and longtime lover Kitten Natividad, Meyer's love of dominant women extended to his personal life, and he was almost always in a tumultuous relationship.

Personal and family life
During World War II, according to Meyer, he was in a French brothel with Ernest Hemingway who, upon finding out that Meyer was a virgin, offered him the prostitute of his choice. Meyer picked the one with the largest breasts.

Despite his reputation, Meyer never employed the casting couch during his career's peak years, though that shifted during his post-1980 unfinished projects, and rarely had sex with any of his actresses. He had no children, though there were rumored unsuccessful pregnancies with his second wife Edy Williams and last serious girlfriend, Melissa Mounds, who was also found guilty of assaulting him in 1999. There is a long-standing rumor among his closest friends and at least one biographer that he had a son in 1964 with a secret lover who he would refer to only as "Miss Mattress" or "Janet Buxton."

Meyer was very upfront throughout his life about being too selfish to be a father or even a caring partner or husband. Yet he is also said to have been very generous with all his friends and acquaintances, and never isolated friends from one another. Biographers have attributed most of his brutish and eccentric nature to the fact that he was abandoned by his father, an Oakland police officer, and coddled by his mother, Lydia, who was married six times. Meyer had a half-sister, Lucinda, who was diagnosed in her 20s with paranoid schizophrenia and was committed to California State mental institutions until her death in 1999. Mental illness ran in his family and was something he secretly feared. During his entire life, Russ Meyer always spoke of his mother and sister with the highest reverence.

Meyer was married to:
 * Betty Valdovinos (born 1922, divorced)
 * Eve Meyer (December 13, 1928 – March 27, 1977, died in the Tenerife airport disaster)
 * Edy Williams (born July 9, 1942, divorced)

Contrary to some accounts, Meyer was never married to Kitten Natividad, his longtime companion and the star of his final two films.

Final years
Meyer owned the rights to nearly all of his films and spent the majority of the 1980s and 1990s making millions reselling his films on the home video and DVD market. He worked out of his Los Angeles home and usually took telephone orders in person. A major retrospective of his work was given at the British Film Institute which Meyer attended in 1982. The Chicago Film Festival honored his work in 1985, for which he also made a personal appearance, and many revival movie houses booked his films for midnight movie marathons.

He also worked obsessively for over a decade on a massive three-volume autobiography, titled A Clean Breast. Finally printed in 2000, it features numerous excerpts of reviews, clever details of each of his films and countless photos and erotic musings.

Starting in the mid-1990s, Meyer had frequent fits and bouts of memory loss. By 2000, he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease, and his health and well-being were thereafter looked after by Janice Cowart, his secretary and estate executor. That same year, with no wife or children to claim his wealth, Meyer willed that the majority of his money and estate would be sent to the Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in honor of his late mother.

Russ Meyer died at his home in the Hollywood Hills (from complications of pneumonia), on September 18, 2004, at the age of 82. Meyer's grave is located at Stockton Rural Cemetery in San Joaquin County, California.

Filmography

 * The French Peep Show (1950, short, cinematographer)
 * The Desperate Women (1954, cinematographer)
 * The Immoral Mr. Teas (1959)
 * This Is My Body (1960, short)
 * The Naked Camera (1961, short)
 * Erotica (1961)
 * Eve and the Handyman (1961)
 * Wild Gals of the Naked West (1962)
 * Europe in the Raw (1963)
 * Heavenly Bodies! (1963, short)
 * Skyscrapers & Brassieres (1963, short)
 * Fanny Hill (1964)
 * Lorna (1964)
 * Mudhoney (1965)
 * Motorpsycho (1965)
 * Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill! (1965)
 * Mondo Topless (1966, mockumentary)
 * Common Law Cabin (1967)
 * Good Morning and... Goodbye! (1967)
 * Finders Keepers, Lovers Weepers! (1968)
 * Vixen! (1968)
 * Cherry, Harry & Raquel! (1969)
 * Beyond the Valley of the Dolls (1970)
 * The Seven Minutes (1971)
 * Foxy/Viva Foxy (1972/73, trailer only)
 * Black Snake (1973)
 * Supervixens (1975)
 * Up! (1976)
 * Who Killed Bambi? (1978, unfinished)
 * Beneath the Valley of the Ultra-Vixens (1979)
 * The Breast of Russ Meyer (1979-2001, mockumentary, unfinished)
 * All the Way In! (1984, actor only)
 * Amazon Women on the Moon (1987, actor only)
 * Faster Pussycat: Don't Change That Song (1987, music video)
 * Jean Park: Soultwister (1991, music video)
 * Pandora Peaks (2001, mockumentary)

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I'm still waiting for proof that it's on the increase in Eastern Europe, Greece and Israel. -- Zoe

A good example would be the following recent article from the noted liberal Jewish weekly The Forward:.

 * Thanks for the cite. That's one.  -- Zoe

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Midget
Is "midget" an acceptable term? -- Zoe

 * I dunno. What other term would you suggest? I for one done know what medical condition the listed people had - midget is a catchall. --mav

 * I only vaguely remember hearing "midget" is considered offensive, "dwarf" is okay, and "little person" is what they prefer to be called. But I may be totally wrong.  -- Zoe

 * Medically, Tom Thumb & wife were achondroplastic dwarfs. I think they were billed by Barnum as "midgets" ("Midget shows" may be why the term is considered impolitic these days). -- Someone else 05:43 Feb 12, 2003 (UTC)

 * I believe there is a difference between midgets and dwarves, though. A midget is just a smaller version of a "normal" sized person. Everything is proportioned to their size: e.g. If 6 foot tall man's stomach is 10 inches in diameter (just a guess), then a 3 foot midget's stomach will be 5 inches in diameter, thus equally proportioned. A dwarf, however, will have the same size stomach as some one of normal height. That is why some dwarves have the appearance of pudgyness (is that a word), because all of their organs are normal sized, but their body isn't.

Yes "midget" is a derogatory term it is the equivalent of calling an African American the "N" word. Vjayiscool 17:02, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Blessed Hugo?
I'm confused; March 29 is also listed on Wikipedia as being the liturgical feast of Blessed Hugo. Does Blessed Hugo have two feasts? Geoffrey.landis 15:24, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

World Wide Scientology protest
Is this appropriate? It clarifies the confusion over "What is happening on February 10th" that is all over the internet. Should possibly be allowed until after the date... Then Removed. "2008 - World protest over the Cult of Scientology. Date chosen because it marks the anniversary of the death of Lisa McPherson." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.80.200.138 (talk) 03:29, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I just followed up on your talk page. In brief: I reverted your edit due to NPOV and notability issues.  If the event turns out to receive significant coverage in reliable sources, it would not be a problem to re-add a (more neutral) listing. BlckKnght (talk) 04:46, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Something should be put in, the only reason I came to Feb 10th page was to look for relevance to Scientology and Anonymous. Lisa McPherson makes sense, yet there is no entry, even under deaths. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MS04292007 (talk • contribs) 06:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a place for rumours, after the protests it can be added, but wikipedia should not be used for announcements or as a bulletin board... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.198.191.210 (talk) 11:25, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Only after the impact of the protest is known can the global notability of the event be established. Please wait until the world has a chance to react to it before adding it as a notable event.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 17:48, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It is now clearly evident that discussion on this topic is not going to take place. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 03:47, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * There has been significant news coverage of this, and it was a worldwide event. Notable sources include various news companies, including the BBC. There is also a ton of footage on youtube DaveChem (talk) 15:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

 * There may be a lot of coverage of this but that doesn't mean its a notable event. From what I have read it was just a lot of people gathering at various locations expressing their views.  Grouf(talk • contribs) 15:20, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * A lot of people gathering at various locations expressing their views is just the definition of a (peaceful) protest. What are the criteria for notability of a protest? I do not know, but I feel that whatever they are, yesterday's event probably meets them. Pythian Habenero (talk) 19:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

 * As far as I can tell, it didn't make the news at all in the US. Not CNN, FOX, MSNBC, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, etc.  If something doesn't get mentioned in any news media, it can't be globally notable.  Even if it did get mentioned that would only make it newsworthy, not notable.  It would need to have some broad long-term impact to be considered globally notable.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 17:38, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Made the news in Canada: http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/302118 Also got on the CBC, I believe, but I don't have a Youtube link handy. Regardless, what exactly is non-notable about a worldwide protest taking place over a day in fourteen countries and I-don't-remember-how-many cities? I would consider it a failing for Wikipedia not to have at least a brief explanation of this subject. Pythian Habenero (talk) 19:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGVrcfX4TmY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5GaTqSZlrY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR28TpYtizk

I think the people on Wikipedia trying to claim the day of action on February 10th not being covered in international news or not being a major event are likely posting from computers with IPs belonging to a Scientology computer.

Obviously, it did make headlines. It was global. Why isn't there at least a sentence mentioning it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.212.39.4 (talk) 10:15, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

 * The event is covered in Project Chanology. When an argument can be made that this particular event will be remembered and talked about in 10 years, then we can talk global, long-term notability.    If the Church of Scientology collapses because of this, then we can talk.  If it is completely out of the news in a week, it will be forgotten and will not belong here.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 20:57, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * At what point does this become notable? People are still talking about it over a month later. If anything, it has gained more media attention and spawned more protests. Is there a wikipedia policy on how long something has to be around for to gain notability? Doesn't being covered by just about every major news source count at all? fintler (talk) 13:40, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

 * This event had no impact. 7000 people protesting worldwide with no impact on the subject is not notable.  This will be forgotten.  Media attention does not make something notable.  The more recent protest that this event 'spawned' had a lower turnout (according to cited sources) than the first and therefore it is a non-issue.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 18:31, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Events: 1933 - Singing Telegram?
After alot of looking around on the Internet, there seems to be some controversy over who created and "delivered" the first singing telegram, and when it occured. I've found two references to Postal Telegraph having been the first to introduce them, both being news articles: The Singing Telegram at 50 The Singing Telegram at 75 Both aticles express some skepticism as to Postal Telegraph's claim of being first. I found a good deal of reference suggesting George P. Oslin is credited with the idea and introduction on July 28, 1933. Unless someone can provide definitive evidence as to Postal Telegraph being first, I will remove the event from this page shortly. Kentholke (talk) 21:38, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Ship's name templates
Folks don't forget that when adding links to ships there are some useful templates available to do the grunt work for you: HMS, USS and HMAS to name but three. – ukexpat (talk) 14:37, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Vernor Vinge
Vernor Vinge's article says his bday is Oct 2, 1944, I'm confused why it was added it back by bigpoliticsfan Kap 7 (talk) 15:08, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2019
A period is missing at the end of these sentences: "In front of the high altar of Greyfriars Church in Dumfries, Robert the Bruce murders John Comyn sparking the revolution in the Wars of Scottish Independence" and "British defeat Sikhs in final battle of the war" 98.210.124.96 (talk) 00:52, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 10:16, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

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