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User talk:Fantasy

See also my en-discussion archive.

Invitation to Esperanza
hey there,

if you have not heard of this place before, and might be interested, drop by :-) with kind regards Gryffindor  13:55, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for letting me know :-) Fantasy 20:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Dankeschön

 * Thanks for you offer of assistance. I just can say the same to you. That's exactly what Wikipedia is for me about, knowing that people like you are around.
 * Welcome from the heart :-) Fantasy 20:39, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Question
grüezi Fantasy, how are you? I found something which could finally solve the problem with the constant harassment and the tiring issue of renaming Trentino-South Tyrol. Take a look at this page here Talk:Río de la Plata, it has an interesting template at the top stating that discussion about the issue is over. Should we add that to the talk archive and put an end to debate? we had two polls already. with kind regards Gryffindor  16:04, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Hi Gryffindor,
 * Good Idea, I would agree to put it on the top of the page, so my discussion-part can also be put in the archive. Looks better then my contribution.
 * In the meantime I protected the page from IP-Edits since some poeple vandalised the discussion. You can unprotect it again if you think it is ok.
 * Thanks for this good Idea, Would be great if you could do it, From my side it will take some weeks until I have time. Thanks ;-) Fantasy 10:52, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It's done, no problem. Have a nice weekend :-) Gryffindor  13:16, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Looks great, thanks for your help. To you also a nice weekend, Nice to have you as admin on en, I sleep better now ;-) Fantasy 15:18, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Image:Donald Duck suitcase.jpg listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Donald Duck suitcase.jpg, has been listed at. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in its not being deleted. Thank you. —MetsBot 18:44, 9 December 2006 (UTC)--Shizhao 03:55, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for letting me know. Sorry to see him go, but probably there is no way to have him here in Wikipedia yet... Fantasy 21:27, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello ...
... again! ;-) ff (fine future) Jahn TALK TO ME ...  18:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC) By the way: I like Your photos. Jahn  TALK TO ME ...  21:02, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

 * I am happy that you like my fotos, thanks a lot :-) Fantasy 15:17, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

One of my sons studies graphic design, film and video. He teached me to have an eye for fotos. But another thing: Look at my signature, I got it. Thx for inspiration! ;-) Jahn T a LK  TO me ... 20:29, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Much better ;-)
 * Re the fotos: I love to take fotos. Maybe you can see the love I put into it ;-)
 * See you :-) Fantasy 15:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * PS: I am in Kassel the coming weekend, just if by any chance you are also there nearby...

Kassel ... that s interesting. I think it s not totally impossible. I ll check it out. Jahn T a LK  TO me ... 19:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Hello again, Fantasy, here again. I hope that I don t get on Your nerves. And I hope that You can, at least, a little bit follow me. Or more concrete verbalized: I hope that You can understand a little bit the way I do feel. I think my last email to You shows some things about that ... I like to tell You something more about my vision(s) of WIKIPEDIA. What do You think? Is it real to assume that it s possible to talk about it, right here, on Your talk page? Or not? :o) ff J a H n 19:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Your edit at Talk:Bozen-Bolzano
Sorry, I reverted your edit as it was archive burning. If you believe that the discussion is on the wrong place, please move it to the appropriate new location and state such move on the talk page of Bozen-Bolzano. Thank you. Regards. --Hús ö nd 17:26, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Sorry, but that does not work, you can not move a move-request. You have to reformulate, and that hast to be done by the requester! Fantasy 17:39, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Indeed, but it wasn't me who proposed the move. The proposer is Markussep according to Requested moves. Regards.--Hús ö nd 17:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Featured picture delisting
I've nominated a Featured Picture you uploaded, Image:London Eye panorama.jpg, for delisting. Please see for the discussion. Regards,  howch e  ng   {chat} 20:33, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Oh, I did not even know that is was featured. It clearly is not one of my best fotos, no problem with delisting ;-) Fantasy 17:19, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Trentino-South Tyrol
Your views regarding Sudtirol are a wee-bit extreme there son.

 * Dear anonymous
 * You are right, my are a wee-bit extreme, because I try not to go in so an extreme extreme directions as some german-haters are going. Therefore I try myself to calm down and not go to the same aggressive level. But sometimes I fail. Some arguments from some anonym people are so unbeleavble ignorant, that it is hard to calm down.
 * Sorry, if I went to the same level as the agressive contributors... Fantasy 09:17, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I love italy
One more general comment:
 * I have many italian friends.
 * I love italy, the language, the country, the people.
 * I am italian.
 * The only thing that is hard for me to bear is when people try to rewrite/ignore/offend history.
 * I am not against italian things, I am just of the opinion that in the multilingual region of South Tyrol all 4 languages should be treated with respect, and not just italian should be used over all other langauge - that probably being the hard part for some italians to accept. Equal treatment of the languages.
 * If I step over my maxime of "equal treatment" pelase tell me, it can happen in the heat of discussion, please forgive me my faults.
 * Thanks :-) Fantasy 10:24, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Dear Fantasy, I've read many of the discussions on this region, and to me it is quite disturbing. I have century-long roots in this region, as I'm assuming you do to. The -region- should be listed as Trentino-Alto Adige/Sudtirol. The provinces are Bolzano-Bozen (BZ) and Trento (TN). It is disturbing when I read how Gryffindor has quietly transformed many things. This region of Italy is one of the most fantastic, and it is deeply sadening to me to see someone such as him manipulating things to his own World view. Naming the region Trentino-South Tyrol is clearly biased to a German viewpoint. Renaming the Province of Bolzano-Bozen to the Province of South Tyrol is even more. Finally renaming Bolzano-Bozen to Bozen-Bolzano? I like both names of the city, and which is first is a game for children. But, the official name is Bolzano-Bozen, so what is the problem? I will like to have a good discussion with you about this, because the user Gryffindor seems highly biased, gets things by a sneaky way, and gives me the creeps. This is not making a personal attack, but the methods he has used concerning a region I love, is just too much. Also, hope all is well with your construction, even though it looks as if you have blown up your home. :P Taalo 20:29, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Dear Taalo, sorry for my late reply, I was "working" ;-). I will reply on my german discussion-page. See you :-) Fantasy 18:45, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Sepp Kerschbaumer
I noticed you said on Lar's talk page that he was your grandfather and I thought I would tell you I have tried to improve Sepp Kerschbaumer. Be interested in any feedback, especially criticism. --Guinnog 09:27, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Hi Guinnog, thank you very much for your work! It looks ok to me, but I try to avoid to edit or comment about my granfather, because I don't have a NPOV. You know, it's difficult to really understand what was going on at that time, I just hear stories. Some say, this was very important, some say it had no effect, in the end only history can tell, or probably not even that.
 * But many thanks for your effort nevertheless! :-) Fantasy 13:56, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

One thing for sure, he definitely has the face of someone from our home. You know what the effect he has? The one we should all remember: You don't let people push -- and people should not push others. This is the core problem of this Earth afterall. Taalo 04:00, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I made some cleanup of the page, gives a good chance to understand the history. The German page is quite detailed though and eventually bringing images from there would be great. So the home village is Frangart? Then the Italian word Frangarto? My family is from the Val di Non. Your village is just 35 km away down the Mendola! :-) Very interesting to know this history of your grandfather Fantasy.  I'm more of a follower of the ideas of Ghandi myself -- but I can accept "violence" against electricity pylons. :-)  Anyway, most importantly is everyone in Bolzano-Bozen should now be free to do as they please -- Italians, Germans, etc. Taalo 04:28, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your contributions to my granfather's article!
 * Regarding the home village, my granfather's was Frangart-Frangarto, by I come from a different one, a little bit more distant from Val di Non, but still in reach of a possible meeting one day ;-) Fantasy 04:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Trentino-Alto Adige/Suedtirol
Hey Fantasy, do you mind if we discuss here on the EN Wikipedia? I saw your message to Lars. I left a message as well -- you can read it when you have the time. Like I have said before, I also agree using double names. I really hope this option can be taken seriously. I would like to also understand better the history in Bolzano-Bozen of what cities have invented names. These names I really wish would of been immediately removed after the fall of the dictatorships. -sigh- One thing to keep in mind though is that even what the Fascists did this in the early 20th century -- this is not the first time this has happened. Likewise "Italians" suffered under "Germans", etc. My point? We should never let these things pushed by politicians make us angry forever. What has happened in these centuries of human existance, we must simply not allow to happen again -- especially in our region. We are all brothers and sisters here, the languages we have come to speak -- for whatever reason -- is the smallest difference afterall. Anyway, really interested to talk more later. regards. Taalo 03:52, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Actually, I need to figure out how I can exchange e-mails with people on here. Yourself and a few other people I have met on here in my three weeks of Wikipedia, I would really like to be able to exchange e-mails. Taalo 03:53, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Just click on "E-mail this user" on the left. But keep in mind: Sometimes email don't reach the destination either for server-problems or Spam-filter. If you don't get a reply, ask the one you contacted via email on his Wiki-page if he got the email. Fantasy 04:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

German Talk Page
You wrote, ''Time is something that helps a lot. Sometimes you just need to sit back and wait, and you realise, that it was not so important after all. I am feeling very much better now, whatever the result of all this is. I have to say that I really don't like the double naming, but it would have been a shame not to try to go for it. Most people probably prefer a simple solution, and simple solutions are not always right, but you can not change mankind. Simplicity has advantages. Re the Fotos: I would be very happy if you would use them, I uploaded them to be used and to make people happy. Re my construction work, the next fotos probably will come in December ;-) If you come one day to South Tyrol, let me know! See you :-) Fantasy 容 22:36, 14. Okt. 2006 (CEST)''

 * Yes, lets try to at least make it clear it should be an option. It is not so complex to include both names afterall!  Regardless, every page must have all the different languages included.  This is without question. Thank you with regard to the photos, I will for sure use them as computer wallpaper (I change it every week almost at work! :-)  Hey, whenever I make it to visit Italy, I always find a time to go down and visit Bolzano-Bozen. :)) my regards. Taalo 04:34, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

 * I look forward to your next visit then, let me know in advance so that I will be there! See you :-) Fantasy 04:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Page break

 * The problem is, it still violates WP:NOT, specifically "Wikipedia is not a how-to guide". I hope you don't get frustrated by this, because your other edits look good. :) Danny Lilithborne 21:10, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

 * If you don't like it as text, can we just add the external link so that if someone looks for more information he finds there?
 * And thanks for the "other edits look good", I know that i am not a good editor therefore normally I avoid adding infos to Articles, I am better at helping people ;-) Fantasy 22:02, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * PS: And after 4 years of Wikipedia I had already some frustration to get used to, so don't worry about that ;-)
 * An external link would probably be okay. At least I wouldn't object to it. Danny Lilithborne 22:04, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks ;-) Fantasy 22:08, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

the REAL name: Trentino-Alto Adige
So I did some research and checked with some pretty credible sources as to what they print, in ENGLISH, for the name of this region (and province) in Italy.

 * Fodor's - a well recognized and respected name (and expert guide) has regional and local publications that show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".

 * Michelin - also expert in travel guides - has regional and local publications that show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bozen".

 * Rand McNally (name speaks for itself) has world, regional, and local publications that show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".

 * Streetwise Map's regional, and local publications show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".

 * Dorling Kindersley or "DK" - by far, probably the best travel guides available - has regional and local publications that show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".

 * Lonely Planet (the self-proclaimed largest independently-owned travel guide) regional, and local publications show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".

 * Hammond Map - a subsidiary of Langenscheidt Publishing Group (a privately-held German publishing company) - has regional and local publications that show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".

As far as proof, I am quite sure that the above sources are credible enough, especially in the sense of geographical knowledge, expertise, and English-translation. Rarelibra 04:00, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Funny, how reality can be different from the point of view. The italian constitution Article 116 was modified not long ago to state "Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol" al posto di "Trentino-Alto Adige". So, if you have to choose between some tourist guides who don't care about minorities or the constitution of a state, who is the better source to define how something is named?
 * To be clear: I am not contributing to this discussion at the moment because it hurts me personally too much, but I just wanted to show you that "REAL" is not easy to define... ;-) Fantasy 17:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * PS:I just saw on your userpage that you support the independence of many countries. Why do you then work against South Tyrol?
 * Ciao Fantasy, good new year to you. I don't understand why you have to be hurt personally over these discussions.  I think the gov't of the Republic of Italy did quite a nice thing with this official Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol naming.  I fully agree with this.  But in reality in English the region is called Trentino-Alto Adige, this is what all shows.  What is so sad about having the page listed located at that name and in the body of the article listing Trentino-Alto Adige, Trentino-Sudtirol, Trentino-Alto Adige/Sudtirol, etc., etc.?  Also, I fear you have a slight misconception.  I don't see Rarelibra or anyone else working against "South Tyrol".  Do you have an intention for some sort of independences for BZ from Italy?  Anyway, I just don't see the need to be so hurt personally over this.  I have told you before I am Nones from just over the hill.  I would more than anyone like to see this petty fiasco put to bed and a concentration pushed on making the pages actually a nice representation of the region.  From all of this, I have learned though that there are quite a few people who have some grand misconceptions.. though I guess I shouldn't be surprised.. *sigh*.  regards to you. Taalo 18:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

 * There is a difference between the independence of countries and the autonomy of a region/province. If you look at Spain, for example, it is a kingdom of autonomous communities. There are various languages (Basque, Catalan, Galician, etc.) but the overall language and usage is Spanish. Some of the areas, towns, etc. are called differently in those languages in the various regions, but even in Wiki you see the Spanish usage as correct with reference to the Spanish name. Take, for example, the autonomous community of Basque Country. The name is translated properly from País Vasco (what Spain designates it), but the Basque language name is Euskadi.

 * My support of various independences has to do with ceratin situations, and is all based on my own philosophies and beliefs, of course (as are those who oppose such things):

 * Western Sahara was originally a Spanish territory that was divested into a "free for all" by Morocco, Mauritania, and Algeria. When the UN attempted to issue a verdict of self-determination for the Sahrawi people, continued intervention by Morocco has continued to stall any kind of determination.

 * Kasmir is unique in its history, but has been greatly influenced by such things as the expulsion of all Hindus in the 1990s. Aside from the fighting and arguing, it seems there is hope on progress with the latest statement by Gen. Pervez Musharraf that Pakistan would be willing to give up its claim to Kashmir, if India were to reciprocate and agree to the region's sovereignty.

 * Cyprus is amazing in the continued arguing and hatred by each side. It seems that letting the island have its own independence would be key to letting "everyone get along".

 * Kurdistan is an example of a failure to enforce treaty with the never-ratified Treaty of Sèvres. Instead, the Allies gave in and accepted the Treaty of Lausanne, accepting the border of modern Turkey and leaving the Kurds without a self-ruled region. Other Kurdish areas were assigned to the new British and French mandated states of Iraq and Syria under both treaties. So this example is one of people who were promised a self-ruled region but were cast aside.

 * Kosovo is a situation I support because we have been able to have more and more peace in the region by breaking up into smaller pieces (with Montenegro finally gaining its own independence last year). To avoid the kind of genocide that occurred in the future would be an accomplishment to mankind in itself.

I won't even comment on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, because it seems that both sides are at fault.

 * The list goes on and on... I have certainly learned more by running into various articles (such as the article about Isla Perejil). I know that my own country has disputes along its borders with Canada and Mexico. I think it's funny in some ways - such as Olivenza, which is administered by Spain, but 'claimed' by Portugal (so what does Portugal do, point its finger at Spain and say "as long as you remember that it is really ours")?

 * The area you are from - Südtirol - is unique in its history as well. However, many regions in Europe have changed hands throughout history and dealt with their 'new' homes. My wife is from Poland - which was sliced and diced many times throughout history - even losing its own sovereignty several times. With the loss and/or gain of each piece of land in history (whether between England and France, France and Spain, England and Spain, France and Germany, Germany and Denmark, Germany and Poland, Poland and Russia, Austria and Italy, on and on and on...), the land becomes part of the new ownership and the names reassigned - sometimes with historical value, sometimes not. Who are we to say that the names must stay a certain way because they have been "called that" for a "long, long time"? In the case of the region you live in, the name of the region - even as you stated as being "Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol", the page should then be called this in English Wikipedia... or, if you are going to translate "Südtirol" to "South Tyrol", then name the page "Trentino-Alto Adige/South Tyrol". But this isn't good enough for some people, who simply want the "South Tyrol" part and not the "Alto Adige" part.

 * Please don't think I don't recognize the uniqueness of your culture - by far, culture is something I wish was more infused in American learning. However, I also think that there is a little bit of "culture pushing" by others, in a sense of "acceptance" of one side and not the other. I also recognize that if I was searching for the region or province, and ended up on the page I did, I immediately sensed that the name was incorrect somehow. Honestly - it doesn't matter to me where someone is from or what they call it, as long as I can relate to them culturally where they know that I respect and recognize differences (as they would hopefully recognize the same with me). In the US, we get carried away and now have to rename sports teams because it 'offends' others. We take down pagan symbols of Christmas trees to appease a rabbi who wants to push his own religous agenda. I hate it.

 * Bottom line I guess is it really doesn't matter - not to mean it is trivial, but I can say this... looking at the pics you have on your user page... If I, myself, lived there, I wouldn't care what it was called or what language... as long as it was always called "home" ;) Rarelibra 18:40, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Completely agree with what you are saying rarelibra. The idea is not to push down anyone.  The region already has a lot of self-rule, which I think is something good for everywhere in the World in fact.  I don't see the point of BZ being independent though.  Then should every province in Italy be independent?  Every valley, every city? :)  I still don't know to laugh or cry when I heard Martin S. say that his Ladin grandparents would roll in their grave if they were called Italian.  That he is not Italian, and his g/f is not Italian because she is half from Sardinia and Frulia (I think).  Who are the real Italians then, and why is everyone so afraid to be said they are from Italy?  It is quite bizarre and unnecessary to act like this, though I know it is a part of human nature. I think I read someplace that even the people from Veneto had asked that they be classified as their own distinct race.  Man, I wanted to laugh to cry. :} Taalo 18:53, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

sorry, I can't discuss this... but thanks nevertheless! :-)
Sorry, Rarelibra, if I implied that you do something against my home, that was not my intention. But it shows that I have problems discussing this whole issue. My granfather died in prison for the right to use german. Maybe that makes it difficult for me to accept that sometimes it is "easier" to use italian instead of other solutions, even if that is the "right" solution. Sometimes "right" can feel wrong, even if it is right. You are right, thinking "it is nice where I live" helps, and we at the moment have a great life with Italy, I am even proud to be an italian citicen, but I prefer not to discuss this, I hope you understand.

But thanks nevertheless that you (and many others) care about this issues, I trust you take the right decision for Wikipedia :-) Fantasy 14:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

PS: If you come one day to South Tyrol, let me know, I am always happy if I can give Wikipedia-friends some nice days off-line ;-)

 * Fantasy, I understand. I really cannot personally relate - but my wife grew up under communism, having had to go to school every day and look at another country's flag and recite their words. Did you know that in the US we had a similar problem as your grandfather endured? The state of Louisiana was founded under the French system (having been purchased from the French under the Louisiana Purchase). However, even as 'recent' as 1912, the state of Louisiana passed a law that forbade any use of French in an official capacity, including schools. This, being from a state that was founded under the French system. It boggles the mind. I don't agree with 'cleansing' any German presence - rather, embracing it and recognizing the diversity. But I am a stickler when it comes to naming. The official name changed, thus, we deal with it and move on. It doesn't take away from the rich cultural history you have - it is merely a name for a region and province. That is my 'take' on it. But then again, my job continually meets the challenges of such changes in names... Rarelibra 20:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Fantasy, just to clarify, because we had discussed this some before. At the time your grandfather died in prison wasn't his political goal more for having the province join again with Austria?  It seems by the mid 60s there was a situation with relatively equal language rights and an influential SVP; please correct me if I'm wrong.  Anyway, I believe no one is saying to remove any names.  The opposite is true, and I would personally insist that the Italian, German, and most importantly local dialects are included.  Also, it is a good learning experience to also realize that others in the region were pushed down in the past.  In order for the German language to come into this region originally, it took some domination over the locals.  So it is a cycle that goes on and on.  The most important thing is it for it to stop and people to live as neighbors and friends.  take care. Taalo 18:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

headache
ciao fantasy. no one wants to compromise. : \ anyway, please visit both pages for the straw poll. i really hope people can be looking to share with their neighbors rather than go for 100%. myself, I support: 1) Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol and Trentino-Alto Adige/South Tyrol; 2) Province of Bolzano-Bozen and Province of Bolzano-South Tyrol. see what you think. i'm quite saddened by Martin's "us against them" attitude, but that is a whole different story. hope all is well with you. Taalo 21:12, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Alto Adige/South Tyrol
fantasy, i saw you write:

Do not support: 3 languages, 3 names: I am from "South Tyrol", Io vengo dal' "Alto Adige", Ich bin aus "Südtirol". Fantasy 21:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

The English one is not just South Tyrol. I can just as well say, "I am from Alto Adige". That is exactly the purpose to put Alto Adige/South Tyrol. South Tyrol is not the sole English translation/usage of this area. Alto Adige is used in English, South Tyrol is used in English. Taalo 09:00, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

motion to close mediation
hello there,

there was a mediation offer quite a while ago concerning the issue of Trentino-South Tyrol. I am happy to announce that the issue has been discussed, voted upon and settled. However the mediation offer still needs to be officially closed. Please take a minute to visit the page Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-10-20 Trentino-South Tyrol and put your signature at the bottom if you agree with the decision, thank you. sincerely Gryffindor  20:25, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

 * A very important note. This mediation offer concerned the greater overall naming convention to use in this region, not just the name of the region itself.  We came up with a very good compromise for the regional name itself.  I for one am still looking forward for Lar to help us out. Taalo 21:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks for letting me know, I am looking forward to find acceptable solutions for all South Tyrolean names ;-) Fantasy 19:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Hound Picture
The picture of your hound that you posted was very cute. I am also the proud owner of a Whippet that was resuced from a shelter. They do tend to sleep on their backs, and the first thing I was searching on for Whippets was their "Cockroach" sleeping habit. Thanks for clearing my doubts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruzbehraja (talk • contribs) 14:39, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Yes, it looks funny, but it seems that it is comfortable to them :-) Fantasy (talk) 10:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

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Happy New Year! ff J a H n 14:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD
Hi I appreciate you have left the project but an article you created is up for deletion and I am actually curiuos as to hy you created it - not least because you did so with a curious edit summary Regards --Matilda talk 00:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Councillors of City of Glen Eira
An article that you have been involved in editing, Councillors of City of Glen Eira, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Councillors of City of Glen Eira. Thank you. Matilda talk 00:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Sorry for the late reply, but I surely did not create this article, I don't even know what it is about.
 * Strange, very strange. But now that it is deleted it does not matter ;-) Fantasy (talk) 19:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Tyrol
Hello. I was informed that you actively worked in the past on articles related to South Tyrol. You are invited to share your thoughts on a Wikiproject Tyrol. Regards Gun Powder Ma (talk) 22:59, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

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Lady in Satin
Thanks, Sean! It is a great album. I was listening to the reissue CD tonight and found all these extras outtakes at the end with Billie cracking up and making mistakes during takes. Makes harrowing listening really. TreveXtalk 01:08, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

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Thanks! My edits are generally a form of quick cleanup that, believe it or not, occacsionally earn me scolding and other angry responses. Excellent work on the articles you've created. Paul 14:35, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

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Hi, I really like the image you found for Paulette Goddard. It's great to see such a good quality public domain image. I have uploaded it into Commons. I wasn't sure how to do that without renaming it, so I have renamed it, and then linked into the Paulette Goddard article straight from Commons. Rossrs 14:30, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I applaud you. I've been locating images where I can and have found several - they are here if you're interested.  I put the Goddard one in because I like it so much, but I did not attempt to claim credit :-)  Good luck with the Shaw, Astaire and Meredith images - the more we can find, the better.  Cheers Rossrs 15:55, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

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Hi, Thanks for your comments - I'm glad you like the images. To answer your question they come from a very cheaply produced DVD. Getting the screenshots has been very difficult because even within the film there are vast differences in quality between scenes. Some are reasonably crisp and others are blurry and faded. There's several people in it that I just can't get a usable image for but not to worry. It's a start, and I think even a blurry image is better than nothing. I've got about another 6 to upload when time permits. I agree it's satisfying finding PD images - it's a bit like being a detective. Rossrs 13:27, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

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Hi SeanO, I tried to fix the image you changed, but I accidentally undid some of your subsequent edits. I'll stop messing with that page for now. ;) Happy editing. Robotman1974 21:34, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

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Benny
I have just been looking around the internet and some places say he was of Hungarian-Jewish ancestry, others say simply that his parents left Russia to escape pogroms. Here are more sources for the Hungarian side of things:  and more reference for Benő Guttman. Also, the Serbian and Esperanto Wikipedias both say he was of Hungarian Jewish descent. Others say his parents were Russian Jews, most just say they were Jews, with no reference to nationality. K. Lásztocska 20:49, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Another thought--is it possible to find out where his parents came from exactly? The Russian Empire was enormous back then, Ukraine was under their control and I think it even stretched into the edge of Transylvania and perhaps even modern Hungary. So they could have been Hungarians, but a few miles in the right (wrong?) direction made them "Russians." Just a theory. K. Lásztocska 20:52, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Eh, OK. I'll keep looking around from time to time (maybe even in real books, not on the internet :)) and if I find anything else, I'll let you know and we can try and figure it out. K. Lásztocska 14:45, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

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Hi Anon, would you mind checking out Talk:University of Berlin --snoyes 00:23 Mar 1, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Anon! Thanks for the help with the literature pages. If you could add to the template * Nobel Prize for Literature: it would be great! Danny

Hi Anon! I cheat. I just take the info off of the regular years pages, most of which have a small section called "year in literature." I then copy and paste that. I also copy and paste all the relevant birthdays and deathdays. Once we have the twentieth century done like that, I plan on extending the information by going through other materials, but for now it's a good start. Danny 17:24 Mar 2, 2003 (UTC)

Hello, again. Just stick around for a while until people get to know you. Then you can request it on the mailing list. Very rarely is anyone turned down, but it's a good idea to have people know who you are. Danny

BTW, thanks for starting Jackie Coogan. I've been meaning to write something about him for a while, and you started me off. :-) Danny

Hello, Daniel, if that's your name. No, I am not the same Deb as on a-i.com But thanks for telling me about it. Deb 19:17 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)

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 * I didn't update margerine -- I found that what you'd put in was copied from another site. Did you have copyright permission? -- Tarquin 17:11 Mar 8, 2003 (UTC)

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Fringe

Fringe may refer to:

Arts and music

 * "The Fringe", or Edinburgh Festival Fringe, the world's largest arts festival
 * Adelaide Fringe, the world's second-largest annual arts festival
 * Fringe theatre, a name for alternative theatre
 * Purple fringing, an unfocused purple or magenta "ghost" image on a photograph
 * Fringe Product, a defunct Canadian record label

Television and entertainment

 * Fringe (TV series), an American science fiction television series
 * The Fringe, the setting for the 2000 computer game Tachyon: The Fringe
 * "The Fringe" (short story), a short story by Orson Scott Card
 * "The Fringe" (Smash), a television episode

Science

 * Fringe science, scientific inquiry in an established field of study that departs significantly from mainstream or orthodox theories
 * Fringe search, a graph search algorithm that finds the least-cost path from a given initial node to one goal node
 * Fringe of a relation, a particular sub-relation of a binary relation in mathematics
 * Interference fringe, a pattern in wave interference

Other uses

 * Fringe (hair), strands or locks of hair that fall over the scalp's front hairline to cover the forehead
 * Fringe (trim), an ornamental textile trim applied to an edge of a textile item
 * Fringe culture, another name for counterculture
 * Fringe party, a political party in a national spectrum with a negligible share of the electorate
 * Fringe theory, an idea or a collection of ideas that departs significantly from the prevailing or mainstream view in its particular field of study
 * Chionanthus (common name: fringetrees), a genus of about 150 species of flowering plants in the family Oleaceae

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I have taken in text from both the Jewish Encyclopedia and the Catholic Encyclopedia, both of which are public domain resources. The Anome 08:36 Feb 26, 2003 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 April 2024
Change the first listed language under the section of “Main languages” to Kurdish rather than Arabic as the first. For the section under “Main languages”, list Kurdish above Arabic as Kurdish is the native language of the Kurdish people rather than Arabic, and as a Kurd a lot of us cannot speak arabic altogether. 92.238.52.9 (talk) 12:17, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: the languages are listed in alphabetical order. Besides, there is nothing about them in the article's body. M.Bitton (talk) 20:31, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

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The "Main language" in info box should be arranged starting with Kurdish and then Zaza-Goran. Arabic is not the first language in any parts of Kurdistan and It can be misleading to put it first. Turkish and Persian are also spoken as second languages in some parts. Shoreshvan1 (talk) 09:01, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: See above request.  (talk | contribs) 09:44, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

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The Kurdish flag should be in the info box as it is the official flag at least in parts of Kurdistan which are under Kurdish rule. Also the Kurdish language is Official language in Southern and Western Kurdistan (Kurdistan within Iraq and Syria, respectively). Therefore, It makes sense to have Kurdish as official language in info box. Shoreshvan1 (talk) 09:13, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This article is about the geographical region. The flag is used at Kurdistan Region.  (talk | contribs) 09:53, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The Kurdish flag is considered by many Kurds in the whole geographical region as a symbol of Kurdish identity and nationalism. It has historically been used in different periods in different regions of the great Kurdistan an it is not only representing Kurdistan Region (in Iraq). So, I think it makes sense to add it here too. Shoreshvan1 (talk) 14:30, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

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The main language in the region is kurdish not Arabic. Rha999 (talk) 17:34, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. PianoDan (talk) 18:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

 * Reliable sources? What? That Kurds speak Kurdish? That that's their language? That Arabic, Turkish, and Farsi is their secondary language due to them being occupied by these countries? What sources do you need besides the entire wiki page on Kurdistan? Kurds are not Arabs! It should not be listed first. 70.29.13.217 (talk) 01:45, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Poor image choice
Greater kurdistan is about where kurds used to settle in anceint time that is why we should use median empire image from median state article in wikipedia 185.187.76.204 (talk) 15:32, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

 * im just curious why this map is sourced by the CIA? also the map of the southern caucus says it's from the CIA. is there like no actual maps for the Kurdish peoples that are more historic or like based on archeology or sociology?
 * Ist the CIA really the leading source on where the Kurdish peoples are from? Seems strange that this even involves the CIA.
 * Shouldn't we be looking at the science instead of something the CIA cooked up? What does the map look like based on leading Kurdish historians?
 * Just feels strange to believe the CIA for something like this. 80.139.97.40 (talk) 22:04, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

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Note: Added material from the Jewish Encylopedia, and the Catholic Encyclopedia, both of which are public domain resources. The Anome 08:43 Feb 26, 2003 (UTC)

Note: changed spelling into a nowadays used names of Lithuanian towns and grand dukes.

Someone has to merge all three sections of this wpedia entry into one - I would like this to do some neutral person, i.e. not a Jew, not a Lithuanian (this one I belong to :), not a German, nor a Polish - it seems to me, that all these nations have some aliased and non-objective view of this historic fact :)))

//Darius Mazeika

Did the merge. Now, the problem with quoting from the Jewish Encyclopedia is that the rules about Jews were only a tiny part of the set of Rights, and quoting that in its entirety blows the article out of proportion. So I took out this, which didn't seem fit to me:

 * In Vilnius, where the Magdeburg law was granted to the municipality as early as the fourteenth century, the Jews were expressly excluded from its benefits, but in the near-by city of Trakai the Jewish community secured from Grand Duke Kazimieras Jogaila the Magdeburg Rights for itself, and independently of the Christian community, which had received the same rights earlier. This grant, dated March 27, 1444, gave the Jews of Trakai equal rights with their Christian neighbors (see Lithuania).

Introduction
As far as I know, Magdeburg never managed to achieve the status of an Imperial Free City, even if the citizens had such ambitions. In this connection the introductory sentence is incorrect. Also see List of Free Imperial Cities--Zarbi1 (talk) 17:36, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

suggestion: import section headings, content and sources from german page
Hi, not too surprisingly, the german page on this is more comprehensive, going into a lot more detail of what was in the lawcode, appeal procedures, gives sources and so on.

So I'm planning to translate and add the following sections.

2. Content and subdivisions of Magdeburg Rights 2.1 Rules of Procedure 2.2 Commercial Law 2.3 Marriage and Inheritance Law 2.4 Criminal Law 2.5 Court Officials and jurisdiction

4.2 appeal procedures to Magdeburg 5 the Removal of Magdeburg's role as an Appeal Court 6 The disappearance of Magdeburg Rights

I was therefore thinking of deleting parts of the current "contents", but will leave the section on jewish people and their relation to magdeburg rights.

if this is treading on anybodies edits or restarting a flame-war, please warn me in the next few days

Ballymichael (talk) 22:01, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Lydford Law
Lydford law has nothing whatsoever to do with municipal rights or privileges and does not belong in this article. It means meting out harsh (or unjust) 'justice'. It was not some kind of model charter for English towns. See:

http://www.legendarydartmoor.co.uk/lydford_law.htm

This is not an ideal source, but it makes the point. Norvo (talk) 23:51, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

 * As there has been no comment at all on this for over two years I've taken the liberty of removing Lydford law from 'See also'. Norvo (talk) 02:55, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

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Bohemia
The situation in Bohemia was more complicated, and certainly the majority of Bohemian cities were NOT using Magdeburg Law. I wrote a more comprehensive comment on this at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:German_town_law#h-Litom%C4%9B%C5%99ice_Law-20240513072600.

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Hagley Park, Christchurch

Hagley Park is the largest urban open space (164.637 hectares) in Christchurch, New Zealand, and was created in 1855 by the Provincial Government. According to the government's decree at that time, Hagley Park is "reserved forever as a public park, and shall be open for the recreation and enjoyment of the public." Hagley Park is characterised by its trees and broad open spaces. Hagley Park was named after Hagley Park, the country estate of Lord Lyttelton, who became chairman of the Canterbury Association in March 1850.

Location
The boundaries of the park, which is located to the east of the central city of Christchurch, are defined by both the Avon River / Ōtākaro and the surrounding roadways. The longest road boundary is that along Deans Avenue, often regarded as one of The Four Avenues which delimit central Christchurch. On the western side adjacent is the suburb of Riccarton.

To the north and northeast, the natural path of the Avon River bounds the park. Moorhouse Avenue and Hagley Avenue form the south and south-eastern boundaries, respectively. Along the eastern boundary, the Park is defined by the two kilometre loop of the Avon River, which extends into the side of Hagley Park.

The Christchurch Botanic Gardens (21.14 hectares) are located within this loop and frequent bridges provide connections. The Botanic Gardens contain a collection of beautiful flowers and trees from around the world. The gardens attract many birds to the park, and sightseers frequently visit the park to view the plants and the wildlife.

The Canterbury Museum and Christ's College are the two other land uses that take up the balance of the land within the river's loop.

Two major avenues subdivide the park into three units. The northern unit is Little Hagley Park (6.96 hectares), with North Hagley Park (87.17 hectares) lying to the south of Harper Avenue. South Hagley Park (70.507 hectares) lies to the south of North Hagley Park, separated by Riccarton Avenue.

Road proposals
At various times, it was proposed to build additional roads through the park. In the 1860s, it was considered to connect Armagh Street with the Great South Road (now called Riccarton Road).

Usage
In its early days, Hagley Park was used for horse races. Hagley Park has frequently been a site for gathering large crowds together: it served as the location for the Great Industrial Exposition of 1882 and the New Zealand International Exhibition in 1906–1907. In 1906, the Australasian tennis championships (now known as the Australian Open) were held in Hagley Park as part of the Grand Slam. The singles event was won by Tony Wilding, who defeated Francis Fisher in three sets.

In recent years, the park has hosted many visiting circuses and open-air concerts. The Ellerslie Flower Show has been held in North Hagley Park since 2008. The park has hosted the Electric Avenue Music Festival.

A golf course (Hagley Golf Club) is located in North Hagley Park.

South Hagley Park contains several netball courts, the Hagley Oval cricket ground and a heliport for Christchurch Hospital, although as of 2019 there are calls to build a helipad on the roof of the hospital itself.

Hagley Park was also the site of a national memorial service attended by 20,000 people to remember the 51 dead victims of the Christchurch mosque shootings at Al Noor Mosque and Linwood Islamic Centre which included the likes of New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and British Muslim convert singer Yusuf Islam (aka Cat Stevens).

The weekly Saturday parkrun takes place at the North Hagley Park.

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Tower 42

Tower 42, commonly known as the NatWest Tower, is a 183 m skyscraper in the City of London. It is the sixth-tallest tower in the City of London and the 19th-tallest in London overall. Its original name was the National Westminster Tower, having been built to house NatWest's international headquarters. Seen from above, the shape of the tower resembles that of the NatWest logo (three chevrons in a hexagonal arrangement).

The tower, designed by Richard Seifert and engineered by Pell Frischmann, is located at 25 Old Broad Street in the ward of Cornhill. It was built by John Mowlem & Co between 1971 and 1980, first occupied in 1980, and formally opened on 11 June 1981 by Queen Elizabeth II.

At 183 m high, it was the tallest building in the United Kingdom until superseded by One Canada Square at Canary Wharf in 1990. It was the tallest building built in London in the 1980s and remained the tallest in the City of London until overtaken by the 230 m Heron Tower in 2010.

The building today is multi-tenanted and comprises Grade A office space and restaurant facilities, with restaurants on the 24th and 42nd floors. In 2011, it was bought by the South African businessman Nathan Kirsh.

Design and development

The National Westminster Tower's status as the first skyscraper in the city was a coup for NatWest, but was extremely controversial at the time, as it was a major departure from the previous restrictions on tall buildings in London. The original concept dates back to the early 1960s, predating the formation of the National Westminster Bank. The site was then the headquarters of the National Provincial Bank, with offices in Old Broad Street backing onto its flagship branch at 15 Bishopsgate.

Early designs envisaged a tower of 137 m; this developed into a design with a 197 m tower as its centrepiece, proposed in 1964 by architect Richard Seifert. The plan attracted opposition, partly because of the unprecedented height of the design and partly because of the proposed demolition of the 19th-century bank building at 15 Bishopsgate, which dated from 1865 and was designed by architect John Gibson. Seifert, who had developed a reputation for overcoming planning objections, organised an exhibition in which he presented two alternative visions: his preferred design, and a second design featuring a 500 ft tower with an "absurdly squat" second tower alongside. Visitors were invited to vote and overwhelmingly chose the single tower design. The final design preserved the Gibson banking hall and the tower's height was reduced to 183 m.

Construction
Demolition of the site commenced in 1970 and the tower was completed in 1980. The building was constructed by John Mowlem & Co around a huge concrete core from which the floors are cantilevered, giving it great strength but significantly limiting the amount of office space available.

In total, there are 47 levels above ground, of which 42 are cantilevered. The lowest cantilevered floor is designated Level 1, but is in fact the fourth level above ground. The cantilevered floors are designed as three segments, or leaves, which approximately correspond to the three chevrons of the NatWest logo when viewed in plan. The two lowest cantilevered levels (1 and 2) are formed of a single "leaf"; and the next two (3 and 4) are formed of two leaves. This pattern is repeated at the top, so that only levels 5 to 38 extend around the whole of the building.

The limitations of the design were immediately apparent - even though the building opened six years before Big Bang, and so there was less of a requirement for large trading floors, the bank decided not to locate its foreign exchange and money market trading operation ("World Money Centre") in the tower; the unit remained in its existing location at 53 Threadneedle Street. Other international banking units, such as International Westminster Bank's London Branch and the Nostro Reconciliations Department remained at their locations (at 41 Threadneedle Street and Park House, Finsbury Square, respectively) due to lack of space in the tower.

Innovative features in the design included double-decked lifts, which provide an express service between the ground/mezzanine levels and the sky lobbies at levels 23 and 24. Double-decked lifts and sky lobbies were both new to the UK at the time. Other innovative features included an internal automated "mail train" used for mail deliveries and document distribution; an automated external window washing system; and computer controlled air conditioning. The tower also had its own telephone exchange in one of the basement levels – this area was decorated with panoramic photographs of the London skyline, creating the illusion of being above ground.

Fire suppression design features included pressurised stairwells, smoke venting and fire retardant floor barriers. However, at the time of design, fire sprinkler systems were not mandatory in the UK and so were not installed.

The cantilever is constructed to take advantage of the air rights granted to it and the neighbouring site whilst respecting the banking hall on that adjacent site, as only one building was allowed to be developed. For a time it was the tallest cantilever in the world.

Ownership
Following NatWest's refurbishment of the tower, the bank renamed it the International Finance Centre, in 1997. The building was subsequently acquired by Hermes Real Estate and BlackRock's UK property fund in 1998 for GB£226 million. In 2010 they put the property on the market at an expected price of GB£300 million. This would potentially have been the largest single commercial property sale in the City of London in 2010. In July 2010 it was reported that Chinese Estates Group had entered exclusive discussions to buy Tower 42. but this deal did not conclude and it was sold in 2011 to South African businessman Nathan Kirsh for £282.5 million.

NatWest occupation
Upon completion, the tower was occupied by a large part of NatWest's International Division. The upper floors were occupied by the division's executive management, marketing, and regional offices, moving from various locations in the City of London. The lower floors were occupied by NatWest's Overseas Branch, moving from its previous location at 52/53 Threadneedle Street.

The adjacent annexe building at 27 Old Broad Street was occupied by NatWest's Overseas Branch cashiers and foreign notes and coin dealing operation.

1993 bombing and refurbishment
In 1993, NatWest had planned a major premises relocation that would have seen the International Banking Division move from the tower and be replaced with its Domestic Banking Division, enabling the bank to terminate its lease of the Drapers Gardens tower. These plans had to be abandoned after the tower was damaged in the April 1993 Bishopsgate bombing, a Provisional Irish Republican Army truck bombing in the Bishopsgate area of the City of London. The bomb killed one person and extensively damaged the tower and many other buildings in the vicinity, causing a total of over £1 billion worth of damage to the area. The tower suffered severe damage and had to be entirely reclad and internally refurbished at a cost of £75 million. (Demolition was considered, but would have been too difficult and expensive.) The external re-clad was carried out by Alternative Access Logistics with the use of a multi-deck space frame system to access three floors at once with the ability to move up and down the whole building.

On 17 January 1996, during the repairs and possibly from the welding being undertaken, a fire started at the top of the building. Five hundred workmen were evacuated and smoke was seen coming out of the top of the building. A helicopter using thermal imaging equipment pinpointed the source of the fire, which was on the 45th floor in a glass-fibre cooling tower. After refurbishment, NatWest decided not to re-occupy and renamed the building the International Financial Centre, then sold it in 1998 to UK property company Greycoat, who renamed it Tower 42, a reference to its 42 cantilevered floors. It is now a general-purpose office building.

Lighting display
In June 2012, a Capix LED multi-media lighting system was installed around levels 39 to 45. This replaced the previous high-energy floodlighting at the top of the building. The lighting system forms thousands of pixels mounted on a chain netting that is affixed to the surface of the building. Each pixel is formed of three RGB LED units, allowing a variety of lighting designs and colours to be displayed. The system was designed by SVM Associates and Zumtobel.

The display featured the Olympic Rings during the London 2012 Olympic Games and the Paralympic Agitos during the London 2012 Paralympic Games.

Ranking among London high-rise buildings
The National Westminster Tower was the tallest building in London and the United Kingdom for 10 years. At its completion in 1980, it claimed this title from the 177 m 189-metre (620 ft) with antenna Post Office Tower, a transmission tower located in Fitzrovia.

By 2022, Tower 42 was the sixth-tallest tower in the City of London, and the 18th-tallest in London overall.

Previous buildings on the site

 * Gresham House, built in 1563 by Sir Thomas Gresham. Gresham was a businessman who helped set up the Royal Exchange. Upon the death of his wife in 1596, Gresham House became the 'Institute for Physic, Civil Law, Music, Astronomy, Geometry and Rhetoric', as directed by Gresham's will (Sir Thomas died 17 years earlier). Professors at Gresham College, described as the Third University of England by Chief Justice Coke in 1612, included Robert Hooke, Sir Christopher Wren and the composer John Bull. The building survived the Great Fire Of London, and saw use as a garrison, a Guildhall and Royal exchange. The College moved to Gresham Street. Gresham House was demolished in 1768 and a new Gresham House was built in its place.
 * Crosby Hall, built in 1466 and named after its builder, the London merchant and alderman, Sir John Crosby. Its most famous occupant was King Richard III. A famous visitor was William Shakespeare. A scene of his play, Richard III, in which the future Richard III, then Duke of Gloucester, plots his route to the crown, is set in Crosby Hall.
 * Crosby Place, which was built in 1596, the year that Richard III was written.
 * Palmerston House was a building that survived from the 19th century, through both world wars. It was named after the Third Viscount Palmerston. It stood at 51-55 Broad Street. It was occupied for some time by the Cunard Steam Shipping Company.

Events
An annual charity fundraising event called Vertical Rush takes place inside Tower 42. It is a vertical run of 932 steps to the top of the tower. The 2024 event, raising money for Shelter, took place on 28 February.

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