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Talk:Fear Factory

Groove Metal
Why is wikipedia the first place I've heard of this genre? FF have never been "Groove" metal, theyre Industrial, and their early stuff is death metal, Burton's vocals changed from Soul of a new Machine, to Obselete. Can we kill this weird genre please? Jay794 19:45, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I concur. Ever since Dimebag's death it seems to get thrown about a lot. Rehevkor 20:50, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

So can we remove the genre? Jay794 16:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I've removed it and any references. It's existence as a legit genre is suspect at best, I had not even heard of the genre at all until Dimebag's death. Rehevkor 17:21, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Why do you two keep removing this genre. It covers at least four of their albums and the kind of thrashy stuff. I mean, if we were to remove it, then I would strongly suggest we add thrash metal. Thundermaster Thundermaster's Talk 10:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No thundermaster, Fear Factory aren't "groove metal" groove metal isn't even a real genre. Fear Factory are Industrial, like Static-X or Rammstein, only their ealy stuff like SOANM or Concrete are Death Metal, because of Burtons vocals, we have already discussed it so I will go ahead and remove it. Jay794 (talk) 12:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I thought you agreed not to get involved in disputed genres, Thundermaster? But you instead claim my edits are undiscussed (they're right above this) and add a condescending tag to my talk page? Grow up. For your sake. Rehevkor (talk) 14:42, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Jay794, groove metal is a real genre, it's a sub-genre of thrash. But if you two, don't want groove metal there, fine, we won't put it there. However, can we at least cover the thrashy stuff they have done, as something has to cover their work in this area, and you claim groove metal doesn't exsist, which it does, so we are left with gap in the genre section. Thundermaster Thundermaster's Talk 09:43, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

 * www.ugo.com "Despite the setback of their shoddy first album, Fear Factory tightened its sound and as traditional death metal structures began to fade, they evolved into a popular industrial metal band while also incorporating a groove metal style. However, their sound has become so unique it seems to elude and genre, and arguments continue over the label that should be placed on them. This has also gotten them heard in the mainstream, and many say Fear Factory is a "stepping stone" for mainstream listeners to venture deeper into the underground."
 * www.drownedinsound.com "LA's Fear Factory were once named Ulceration. They originally formed in 1989, but when the new decade dawned, it probably occurred to them that Fear Factory was a much better name for a combination of thrash metal, death metal, groove metal, 'industrial metal, metal metal and probably some other metals."
 * edmontonmusic.com ""Ulceration" was not picked for any real reason other than that Burton C. Bell and/or other members thought it would "just be a cool name" for the band. They then renamed to Fear Factory in 1990. Characterized by a mix of thrash metal/'groove metal guitar riffs..."
 * www.raymondherrera.com "Fear Factory Fear Factory was formed on October 31, 1990 in Los Angeles, California by ex-guitarist Dino Cazares and drummer Raymond Herrera. Characterised by a mix of thrash metal' (though Fear Factory sound more in the vein of groove metal) guitar riffs, roaring vocals that make way for melodic singing, pulse driven drum beats, and powerful basslines..." Groove metal is a correct genre Kameejl (Talk) 10:22, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Jay794, this discussion has no value whatsoever. Referring to this discussion in not a good reason to delete sourced content. Two editor agreeing on the non-existence of groove metal is not a reason to disallow groove metal in the article. Sources and citations are the way to go an wikipedia, not editor opinions. Please stop reverting valuable and sourced information. Kameejl (Talk) 18:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Obviously this is only POV. Some believe they are groove metal and others don't. Like I said on the Machine Head talk page, Standing in a muddy field thrashing your head around and beatin' the shit out of everyone around you doesnt sound very "groovy". Jay794 (talk) 19:39, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Kameejl. Just because two editors agree on something, doesn't mean you should then remove perfectly OK content that has reliable sources. You are the one using POV. Thundermaster TRUC 15:15, 1 December 2007 (UTC) 09:08, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * At the time of the discussion it was unsourced, no one objected and it was removed. It's a higher priority to remove unsourced information (even temporarily) rather than find sources for it (What I didn't like was your uncivil attitude towards the issue.) Rehevkor (talk) 21:39, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Meshuggah reference removed
Removed the Meshuggah reference in "Categorization and Sound", since such a comparison is selective and mostly irrelevant to the subtopic. -Danteferno

Dynamo Open Air Festival?
Is this original work? What is the the Dynamo Open Air Festival? - Zoe

Hello Zoe. This is an original entry with facts gathered from around the web. cf http://www.dynamo.nl/ Birchtree

 * We still need at least a link to an article in the Wikipedia about the Dynamo Open Air Festival, or that sentence makes no sense in this article. -- Zoe

Agreed. Would you care to do so? Birchtree

 * Since I have no idea what it is, no. -- Zoe

The internet is very informative though, Zoe. You could investigate it, beginning with the link provided, if you like. Birchtree

I'm impressed, Birchtree! Never heard of the band, but it looks like a good article... However, I removed the phrase "with his mouth", considering it redundant. ;) And I've removed some of your HTML markup. Have a look at the code as it is now, and witness the power of wiki markup! :) Zoe - I'm not sure I understand what you mean about the sentence mentioning the Dynamo Open Air Festival not making sense. Presumably it's a music festival that took place in the open air. Surely that's enough to get some idea of what's being discussed...? -- Oliver P. 11:38 Mar 3, 2003 (UTC)

Damn. I quite enjoyed the 'with his mouth' bit, but fair do's. ;) Ta for rediting. ...You're quite right about Zoe's comment btw; it is a touch over-zealous to claim that merely because there is no entry for the festival the entire sentence doesn't make sense! A very strange claim. What's more, I felt the opening question of 'Is this original work?' was a touch patronizing and rude.

Still, I'll change the festival to a wiki link and leave it at that. Perhaps someone will wish to add the entry.

Birchtree.

 * No, no, Birchtree. It's just that we're not used to newbies turning up and suddenly writing brilliant prose round here. :) It is entirely understandable for people to be suspicious when it happens, and so I defend Zoe's opening question above. In fact, if someone suspects your writing of having been written by a professional journalist, you should take it as a compliment! Copyright infringements could harm the Wikipedia project, so it is essential for at least some of us to remain vigilant in this area. Zoe is a respected contributor around here, and so I think we should be more careful in future not to wind her up. -- Oliver P. 03:37 Mar 4, 2003 (UTC)

Point taken, though there are simple ways and means of enquring as to the legitimacy of an article that don't risk getting the author's back up. Being so blunt is hardly any way to go on, 'respected contributor' or not. Birchtree 04:56 Mar 4, 2003 (UTC)

Oliver, Dynamo Open Air Festival has no definition in the Wikipedia and no link to an outside source. There is no explanation as to why this is important or even worth mentioning. And I have no intention of writing an article about it. -- Zoe

 * Just to clarify, it was Birchtree, not me, who suggested that you might want to write an article on the festival.

 * The Wikipedia is still a young project, and there is still a lot that hasn't been covered; we can't do it all at once. Not everything that is mentioned in passing in an article can be expected to have an article of its own just yet. One of the great things about the Wikipedia is the way in which it continually invites growth. When someone thinks that something may require an article of its own, they can put in a link. If it comes up red, that is an invitation to add new content, which I think is a good thing. The responsibility of writing that new content does not rest solely with the person who originally mentions the concept, since this is a collaborative project. It may be expected that the person who first mentions something may have something more to say on the subject, but to expect them to write a whole article on something that is only mentioned in passing in one of their articles is a bit much. People have other things to do. I'm sure you can see that mentioning music festivals is an entirely natural thing to do in an article about a band, so I'm still a little baffled about why you are querying it. I think the sentence in question is illuminating, in that it suggests that the band's dedication to the production of new music outweighed their desire for public appearance. To better understand the sentence, is there anything that you need to know about the festival, other than the fact that it is an open-air music festival? If you have a specific query about the nature of the festival whose answer would help you to understand the sentence better, please ask it, and maybe someone will be able to find the answer. So far, all I can make out from your comments is that you personally haven't heard of the festival in question. I understand that not knowing things can sometimes be irritating, but there is much missing content from the Wikipedia, and I think that's inevitable at this stage. -- Oliver P. 03:37 Mar 4, 2003 (UTC)

Hello to you. I've taken time out of a busy schedule to write up the D.O.A. festival. I hope this resolves the apparent rising tension here. :) --Birchtree

 * Phew! Well done. Maybe my time would have been better spent if I'd done the same, rather than composing that long-winded message above! -- Oliver P. 04:19 Mar 4, 2003 (UTC)

Sometimes it's just better to rise above it, Oliver. I entirely agree with your point though, and considered making the same. --Birchtree

Fear is the Mindkiller, single or EP?
Fear is the Mindkiller single? Sure someone isn't just getting confused with the EP? There's so much song as "Fear is the Mindkiller".. --Lx

What is 'cyber-fast production'?
What, exactly, is 'cyber-fast production'? -CamTarn

 * There is no such thing as cyber-fast production and that theory is a figment of the writer's imagination.

 * The "Cyber" in "Cyber-Metal" comes from the futuristic themes and industrial elements present in their music, although cyber-metal is not really recognised as a genre; industrial metal is the accepted norm (factually speaking only; cyber-metal may actually be a good way to describe FF's mid-period sound). Someone needs to rewrite a lot of that section. If no one else does, I might later.

 * Inflammator 14:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Discography
In line with other music pages, I'm planning on moving the discography to another page, if that's OK. Same format and content, just a page of its own linked by a "See also". I'll do it when I get a chance over the next few days. This saves repetition and possible edit errors on information spread over several pages - many bands have individual member pages containing the discography repeated. IainP (talk) 16:32, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Who ever did the setup for Discography on this page, awesome, but don't like main Picture, change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.63.150 (talk) 01:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Liquid 8
There are signed to Calvin Records.

~ Luke 'Self Biased Resistor' May.

Ulceration
Every reference I've ever read has cited Halloween 1990 as the exact day Fear Factory formed. In fact when the band was recording Digimortal, they celebrated their 10th anniversary on Halloween night with an in-studio party. It seems more likely that Ulceration is a band Ray and Dino were in before Fear Factory, and that FF proper began when Burt and Andrew joined. (James Hetfield was in a band called Phantom Lord in 1980, but you can't really say that Metallica formed in 1980 and were at first known as Phantom Lord.)

Anyone have any other sources on this? Wangoed 13:59, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Please restore what my filtered computer deletes
Please restore the link my filtered computer truncates. Thank you and sorry for the inconvenience, Randroide 16:58, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Death Metal?
Er, yeah, so how is FF Death metal...

Listen to Concrete and Soul of a New Machine. They started as a death metal band but changed into groove metal on Demanufacture. Markendust

Um, no thats just Heavy Metal, Death Metal is Cannibal Corpse. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.63.150 (talk) 01:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Learn about metal before you rant something like that. Heavy Metal is the umbrella term for all kinds of metal or generally classic metal. Fear Factory's genre lists Death Metal as 'early'. Thereby what you said is correct, and there's no need to say that. Although they're NOT groove metal. It may sound like it to new listeners as the start-stop riffs seem to match Pantera's, but this is also prevalent in Industrial Metal, which is the genre that's agreed upon about Fear Factory as the band's innovative fusion of genres sum up to the subsequent theme of the music, which is purely Industrial Metal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.160.67.58 (talk) 20:10, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

If you can provide a legitimate source that states that the early Fear Factory albums aren't death metal, feel free to post it here. Until then, please keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. Inflammator 13:01, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I don't even think that their early albums are true death metal. Yeah, they may be technical death at best, but true death metal, I think not. Undead Warrior (talk) 06:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

POV
a certain refrence to metal as the most bitter genre of music and a mention of how the drummer is able to duplicate the sound on the cd in real live is a testament to his technique seems a little POV to me

archetype
what the hell happened to the archetype article? its a fear factory album and there for should have an article

It does have an article. --70.92.64.125 07:21, 30 December 2006 (UTC) yeah because i redid it. some one delete it...

Thrash metal
I am removing Thrash Metal from the list of genres because Fear Factory only has elements of thrash metal in their sound and they are not a bona fide thrash band in any sense. The thrash elements that their music contains are fully covered by the groove metal tag; hence there is no need for the potentially misleading thrash tag as well. Inflammator 09:21, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

So it would also not be acceptable to call them Nu metal, as they seem to have some trappings of Nu but it is not their stock & trade?

Mischief Invasion?
Why is there no mention of the Mischief Invasion soundtrack disc?

 * Because it's either not a very important soundtrack, or no one has added it yet. Compilation albums always have to have a good backing to be on wikipedia. Undead Warrior (talk) 06:16, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

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Over 2000 shows since 2001?
So let's give them 6 years which equals 2190 days (or so). This means that they would be performing shows almost every night for 6 years straight? I don't think that is a very accurate line and it has no references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Violent.j.11 (talk • contribs) 05:24, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

 * They have toured quite a bit, but that figure does seem a little too much. I've removed it pending any sort of verification. Inflammator 12:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

What 6 years? since 2001 They've been touring for 9 years. Raymond Herra has said that in the DVD Digital Connectivity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.63.150 (talk) 01:33, 11 October 2007

 * Do you mean that they toured during the 9 years prior to 2001? That's more than likely, but also rather obvious and not worth mentioning specifically as almost every working band tours while they are active and releasing new material. Inflammator 12:45, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes prior 2001 but actually Im not sure if it's 9 years but at least in between 9-12 but this is Wikipedia and people don't know this stuff so that's why that info is up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.63.150 (talk) 01:39, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Nu metal
Don't you think the band should be classed as nu metal. Compare them to bandslike Spineshank. They are under that style. Futhermore, numetal is alternative metal and that is listed. 86.155.162.127 (talk) 14:57, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Fear Factory are in no way "nu metal". Any claims as such are ridiculous. Rehevkor (talk) 15:06, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * And why? That is basically calling alternative metal ridiculous. And anyway, do you have anything to prove your point? No. So tell me, why is it ridiculous? Thundermaster367 (talk) 09:01, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Because I've listened to their music? The only connection Fear Factory has with nu metal was that Obsolete was released during the hight of the nu metal era. Obsolete is quite clearly an industrial metal album. It's not my job to prove they're not nu metal as I'm not trying to add any unsourced information to the article, it's your job to prove they are. Can you prove they're nu metal? From what I can see adding disputed genres to articles is a habit you have, perhaps you should rethink your priorities? Rehevkor (talk) 13:18, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That's true actually. The album did come at the time of the nu metal breakthrough but I can find elements of nu metal in there. Many I'm finding elements of alt. metal. OK, I'll stop with the disputed genre debates. ''I Am The Master Of All Thunder'' (talk) 09:04, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * There are a lot of nu metal elements in Fear Factory's music. For example, there's a turntable in Edgecrusher and Bell raps on Digimortal.  I know "nu metal" is considered a derogatory term, but sometimes things are what they are.  They may not have those nu metal elements now, but Obselete and Digimortal are definitely laced with it.  The KZA (talk) 07:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

This is just a guy that's obsessed with Nu Metal, and is misunderstood about what that 'trend' 'genre' really is. Look, here: Nu metal is a term coined by the media to describe the music OF and bands who were influenced BY KoRn. KoRn however, was influenced BY Fear Factory. This is fact. Fear Factory were the first band ever to mix clean and brutal vocals together. They are a genre that's, let's just say, "less introspective" and "more artistically themed", type of music called Industrial Metal. Anyone who's confused about what genres are, should actually GO LOOK at the certain features of a genre on its respective wikipedia page. You'll see that Fear Factory doesn't come anywhere NEAR Nu Metal, because this band existed before it existed!... Just like Slayer influenced the RISE of Death Metal, but were never Death Metal themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.160.67.58 (talk) 20:19, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

When we ignore the negative connotations of the term (because most see it as a slur), yes, there is a dose of it in FF's music. Especially Digimortal. Metal Observer makes that observation, so for now I've added it to that album and this page (with the side-note that it refers specifically to that album). Prophaniti (talk) 20:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Thrash metal
I think we should add thrash metal as they clearly have some quite thrashy songs and since the apparently explained removal of groove metal nothing covers it. Thundermaster Thundermaster's Talk 08:56, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't consider it a primary genre, there may be elements, but not enough to warrant adding it to the genre category, not by a long shot. Also, see here as to why it was removed the first time around. Rehevkor (talk) 22:32, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Fundamentally, we need a reliable citation. --Yamla (talk) 23:54, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I've posted some sources here. Kameejl (Talk) 12:35, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Rehevkor, you know that it was only removed becuase groove metal covered it. Thundermaster TRUC 15:15, 1 December 2007 (UTC) 09:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Dino's page
''Dino was the fat guitarist. Read it in the revision history. Now removed. Master of Metal (Have a chat!) 13:00, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Nong 7
In the future section always appears that Fear Factory's album which will probably be out in 2009 will be called tentatively "Nong 7". Are there any references about that, maybe on their Myspace-Page or anywhere else? Because i cannot find any references about it.

 * Nong 7 is only a fake. 213.39.202.2 (talk) 19:47, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok thx for the quick answer :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.189.132.80 (talk) 09:18, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

How do you know it's a fake? Undead Warrior (talk) 15:29, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I dunno if it's a fake myself, but I wasn't able to find any credible information whatsoever. One entry on this article claimed the title was announced on the Myspace when I could find no such announcement. Personally the name alone sounds ridiculous enough to be fake. Rehevkor ✉  15:38, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Live Pic in 2006
There is no way the picture posted is from 2006. Dino was not in the band in 2006, and the Fear Factory logo backdrop is from the Digimortal album, which was released in 2001. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.248.93.200 (talk) 04:54, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Seems the photo was uploaded the Flickr in 2006 so whoever uploaded it to here assumed that was the date. Rehevkor ✉  15:21, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Just because the backdrop was Digimortal does not mean that the picture was not taken in 2006. Undead Warrior (talk) 15:28, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The fact that Dino had left the band in 2002 pretty much puts a line through both 2005 and 2006. The image name on the Flickr page is not necessarily a date, it could mean anything. Rehevkor  ✉  13:43, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The image page on flickr says the picture was taken in 2005. This is not the date that the editor/uploader put in the top left, but rather the information found at the bottom left. Undead Warrior (talk) 02:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well something went wrong somewhere. Because the photo couldn't possibly have been taken in 2005. For simplicity sake I'm going to remove the caption entirely. It's unnecessary. Rehevkor ✉  15:41, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * What ever happens, we need to take a look at the editors on this article. I have been seeing edits that are being used to mask an edit war because one editor is using a different IP to edit each time. Undead Warrior (talk) 01:10, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

2002
2002, that was when Dino left the band. No way it was taken in 2006. The backdrop has everything to do with it. So no it was not taken in 2006. Trust me.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.248.93.200 (talk) 04:08, 23 October 2008 (UTC) You are incorrect. According to flickr, this was taken in 2005. December 10, 2005. Just look at the flickr page. Undead Warrior (talk) 19:34, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The Flickr page is wrong. Dino was long gone by 2005. Rehevkor ✉  19:47, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Death Metal?
Fear factory is not death metal, nor have they ever been. I have almost all of their albums, none of them have any death metal in them at all... they're not even metalcore. this is just thrash-ish industrial metal with louder bass.

A. most importantly: they don't have the death metal rhythmics.

B. they don't have the death growl.

C. their guitar work far more simple than that of even the most inexperienced death metal bands.

D. where's the blast beats?

E. and the rolling double bass kicks?

 * I suggest you listen to Soul of a New Machine. Rehevkor ✉  01:16, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

 * Concrete and Soul of a New Machine are clearly Death Metal albums. darkpenguin31

No they're not death metal. Death metal doesn't have clean singing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.181.151.175 (talk) 11:20, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I suggest you listen to Soul of a New Machine. Rehevkor ✉  12:48, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

 * It's not pure death metal. Technical death metal maybe, but not plain death metal. I have all of their cd's and even some bootlegs and I have to agree that they are not death metal. Undead Warrior (talk) 13:05, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * News to me, listening to Concrete and SoNM it's clearly intended to be death metal. Not been able to find much to support technical either - I suppose they always intended to be a death metal/industrial band, "death metal-meets-industrial" as Roadrunner puts it, which could be considered a similar thing? Rehevkor ✉  13:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That covers it, it's technical or industrial death metal, and the inclusion of industrial metal and death metal would cover the area of the music's genre. Thanks, The Mad Muffin!Muffin Chat? 11:50, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Someone take off death metal (early), they were not death metal, but industrial death metal. Even roadrunner states this. Undead Warrior (talk) 09:14, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

If cites are available, then put up the genre with cite. If not, then it's original research. With that roadrunner reference, my interpretation is 'industrial death metal', Jwoodger (talk) 02:32, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * We needn't add a sub-sub-genre, surely? Industrial death metal (early) would make it seem as if they used to be death metal, and are now industrial metal as opposed to industrial death metal...I'm not the most knowledgable in this regard...I think death metal (early) should be left up, but does anyone have any opinions in this regard? Thanks, The Mad Muffin!Muffin Chat? 12:59, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

From FearFactory.com and RaymondHerrera.com's Webmaster
How do I get "official" information put into the wiki if the moderators say my involvement with the band is a conflict of interest? Until the legal issues are settled the wrong line-up is on the wiki and I need to change it. Thanks, Douglas A. Maske CyberMartyr (talk) 04:37, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

 * You need to provide a reliable and verifiable source. But I'm sure this has all been mentioned to you before. Rehevkor ✉  05:09, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Raymond would like to know who the reliable and verifiable source is that updated the wiki to the band line up listed. This band line up is incorrect until the legal issues are worked out. Also, if you're considering Blabbermouth a reliable and verifiable source you should re-think this. They are not only biased since they are owned by RoadRunner Records but they also accept articles from non reliable and verifiable sources according to Wiki's Nazi standards.

CyberMartyr (talk) 20:25, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Wiki Nazi standards? Sigh. I have mucho respect for Mr. Herrera but it's a shame he has someone with your attitude representing him. I'm done trying to help you. Good luck. Rehevkor ✉  20:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually I don't feel you have tried to help me, in my opinion you've directed me to documents that pretty much states that Wiki will allow anyone with a media source update these pages and credible sources that work with the band like myself don't have access to do anything. I'm sorry if you took offense to my personal opinion of Wiki's rules and regulations but if I'm approaching this the wrong way tell me what's the right way in Layman's terms. Also you didn't answer my question, what "verifiable" source got the right to update the wiki with the information that is up there and is incorrect? I want to do this the right way but I have a problem with what has been allowed thus far. Please tell me why you feel I'm down the wrong path here? Also I think as a moderator it's childish to be "done trying to help" me when all I did was make a general comment about how I feel about the process that's in place. It's not an attitude it's an expression of fustration with the process in place. Is free speech not an option on Wiki? I'm sure there is a page on that too... I'm willing to discuss this via email with Raymond so we can come to an understanding how this is all suppose to work without coming to odds with each other. I'm also requesting a legal docket number from Raymond as a verifiable source.

CyberMartyr (talk) 22:07, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I am not a "moderator", I'm just someone who edits the wiki, but I has as much freedom to "moderate" as anyone else. A verifiable source is in layman's terms a source that other editors can check and verify. Taking someone's word, like you're asking us to do, is never an option. If you can't back up your claim with reliable third party/independent sources (such as news reports, articles, non-self-published sources etc) then there's nothing you can do. Even if it's true, "verifiability, not truth" as the policy says, without something to back it up it means nothing. Listen, I know this whole FF legal situation is hard on everyone involved, and everyone wants a voice, but Wikipedia is not a soap box, and unless news sources (as an example) start reporting your side of the story there's nothing that can be done about it. I have the deepest respect for Raymond and everyone in the band past and present but the situation you're in you have a conflict of interest any views will be biased in our eyes, and what you're trying to do it contradict the already established "truth", we can't just disregard reliable sources on your say so. If you want the truth to be known I suggest Raymond reach out to them (you suggested Blabbermouth was biased, despite their disclaimer "BLABBERMOUTH.NET is run and operated independently of Roadrunner Records." etc, as well as RR no longer having a stake in FF, perhaps you should take your side of the story to them for example) because Wikipedia is not the place for this. Regards, Rehevkor ✉  22:45, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Mechanize or Mechanized?
Wikipedia said FF's album is going to be called "Mechanized" but now it says "Mechanize" What is right now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.118.56.7 (talk) 17:54, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Mechanize, see album cover. I updated the page for the album, this page and so on. Virus of Profanity (talk) 12:50, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

The last half of the History section is way too long
The sections that cover the band's history from the 2000s onwards seriously need cutting down. They are all littered with a bunch of lengthy direct quotes from current/former band members mostly bitching about each other. People want to read a good summary of the band's history, not a collection of copied and pasted quotes. Not only are most people who are new to Fear Factory not going to bother reading through all those quotes, but Wikipedia isn't a place to host petty drama. It should be cut down and summarised in shorter paragraphs, with less reliance on direct quotes.Vicious Friendly Fish (talk) 12:54, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Extreme Metal?
I know the band is a difficult one to define as far as genres go, but the category extreme metal generally refers to music within the black metal, death metal or doom metal category. While there are certainly influences from extreme metal in Fear Factory's music, I think it would be wrong to categorize them as an extreme metal band. The subgenre 'industrial metal' (That Fear Factory frequently fall under) has never been considered a part of the extreme metal category. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.173.144.41 (talk) 03:31, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

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Hi guys. Many times I've tried to edit the live members section, reporting there all Fear Factory's bass players except Wolbers. In fact, the latter is the only bassist to be featured in some albums, namely Obsolete and Digimortal; all the other bass players, from Gibney (1989-1991) to Campos (since 2015), were taken over in studio by guitarist Cazares. Why do you keep on calling off my changes? If you read on Metal Archives the pages of Fear Factory's albums (save Obsolete and Digimortal), you'd find out that no bassists were involved in recording those works, or enjoyed rehearsals. Would you check them pages out, please? Thanks for your attention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.45.191.32 (talk) 10:30, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Regarding missing citation of album Demanufacture used in Carmageddon and Messiah
Hi, I don't know the proper ways to edit these pages, so I'll leave it up to someone who does. I used to have the game in the 90's and played it a lot, and it does in fact use a few instrumental tracks from Demanufacture. I looked for 2 minutes and found this credits list from the DOS version and it states Fear Factory in the Music section https://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/carmageddon/credits

I didn't play Messiah, but the same website lists similar results - Fear Factory is in the music credits section https://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/messiah/credits

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42 (number)

42 (forty-two) is the natural number that follows 41 and precedes 43.

Mathematics
Forty-two (42) is the sixth pronic number and the eighth abundant number, with an abundance of 12, equal to the average of its eight divisors as an arithmetic number.

Its prime factorization $$2\times 3\times 7$$ makes it the second sphenic number, and also the second of the form $$2 \times 3 \times r$$. 42 is the aliquot sum of 30, the smallest sphenic number and second number to have an abundance of 12 after 24, and preceding 42.

It is also the sum of the first six positive non-zero even numbers, $$2 + 4 + 6 + 8 + 10 + 12$$, and a Harshad number in decimal, because the sum of its digits is six $$(4 + 2 = 6)$$, which evenly divides 42.

42 itself has an aliquot sum of 54; within an aliquot sequence of twelve composite numbers (42, 54, 66, 78, 90, 144, 259, 45, 33, 15, 9, 4, 3, 1) in the prime 3-aliquot tree.

42 is the fifth Catalan number, following 14; consequently, it is

Additionally, 42 is the smallest number $$k$$ that is equal to the sum its non-prime proper divisors; i.e. $$42 = 1 + 6 + 14 + 21$$ (with the latter term representing the sixth triangular number).

42 is also the third primary pseudoperfect number, and the first (2,6)-perfect number (super-multiperfect), where $$\sigma^{2}(n)=\sigma(\sigma(n))=6n.$$

42 is the number of integer partition of 10: the number of ways of expressing 10 as a sum of positive integers. 1111123, one of the forty-two unordered integer partitions of 10, has 42 ordered compositions, since $$7! \div 5! = 42.$$

As a polygonal number, 42 is the first (non-trivial) fifteen-sided pentadecagonal number. It is also the fourth meandric number, and seventh open meandric number (following 8 and 14, respectively).

On the other hand, an angle of 42 degrees can be constructed with a compass and straight edge with the use of the golden ratio; i.e. through the difference between constructible angles of 60 and 18 degrees (with root pentagonal symmetry).

Where the plane-vertex tiling 3.10.15 is constructible through elementary methods, the largest such tiling, 3.7.42, is not. This means that the 42-sided tetracontadigon is the largest such regular polygon that can only tile a vertex alongside other regular polygons, without tiling the plane.

42 is also the first non-trivial hendecagonal (11-gonal) pyramidal number, after 12. Otherwise, forty-two is the least possible number of diagonals of a simple convex hendecahedron (or 11-faced polyhedron).

42 is the only known $$k$$ that is equal to the number of sets of four distinct positive integers $$(a,b,c,d)$$ — each less than $$k$$ — such that $$\text { }ab-cd, \text { }$$ $$ac-bd \text { }$$ and $$\text { }ad-bc\text { }$$ are all multiples of $$k$$. Whether there are other values remains an open question.

42 is the resulting number of the original Smith number: $$4937775=3\times 5\times 5\times 65837.$$ Both the sum of its digits, $$4 + 9 + 3 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 5$$, and the sum of the digits in its prime factorization, $$3 + 5 + 5 + (6 + 5 + 8 + 3 + 7)$$, result in 42.

42 is the number of isomorphism classes of all simple and oriented directed graphs on four vertices. I.e., the number of all outcomes (up to isomorphism) of a tournament of four teams where a game between a pair of teams results in three possible outcomes: wins from either team, or a draw.

42 is the fourth Robbins number, equivalently the number of $$4 \times 4$$ alternating sign matrices. It is also the number of ways to arrange the numbers $$1$$ through $$9$$ in a $$3 \times 3$$ matrix such that the numbers in each row and column are in ascending order.

42 is the magic constant of the smallest non-trivial magic cube, a $$3 \times 3 \times 3$$ cube with entries of 1 through 27, where every row, column, corridor, and diagonal passing through the center sums to forty-two.

42 is the number of (3, 3, 3) standard Young tableaux that use distinct entries  (as well as the number of (2, 2, 2, 2, 2) tableaux).

The last natural number less than 100 whose representation as a sum of three cubes was found (in 2019) is forty-two, where, $$80,435,758,145,817,515^3 + 12,602,123,297,335,631^3 + (-80,538,738,812,075,974)^3 = 42.$$

The dimension of the Borel subalgebra in the exceptional Lie algebra e6 is 42.

42 is the smallest number $$k$$ such that for every Riemann surface $$\mathbf{C}$$ of genus $$g \ge 2$$, $$\#\text{Aut}(C) \leq k\ \text{deg}(K_{C})=k(2g-2)$$ (by the Hurwitz's automorphisms theorem).

This is related to 42 being the largest $$n$$ where there exist positive integers $$p,q,r$$ whose reciprocals alongside that of forty-two generate the sum, $$1 = \frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{3} + \frac{1}{7} + \frac{1}{42}.$$

Notice that the first three unit fractions are the first values in the infinite series (of Egyptian fractions) that most rapidly converges to $$1$$ (see, Sylvester's sequence).

Other properties
42 is the smallest integer that can only be made from a minimal number of fours (seven) using only addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division, where an intermediate value has to be a non-integer:

 * $$42 = (4 + 4) \times (4 + \frac{4+\frac{4}{4}}{4})=8 \times 5.25.$$

In decimal representation, the first three digits of pi, $$3.14 \ldots \approx \pi$$, can be arranged as a set of two strings to yield: $$3 \times 14 = 42.$$

In the terminating decimal of the approximation for pi, the string $$42\;42\;42$$ occurs at the 242424th decimal "position" (when treating the decimal point as a position, as well).

Science

 * 42 is the atomic number of molybdenum.
 * 42 is the atomic mass of one of the naturally occurring stable isotopes of calcium.
 * The angle rounded to whole degrees for which a rainbow appears (the critical angle).
 * In 1966, mathematician Paul Cooper theorized that the fastest, most efficient way to travel across continents would be to bore a straight hollow tube directly through the Earth, connecting a set of antipodes, remove the air from the tube and fall through. The first half of the journey consists of free-fall acceleration, while the second half consists of an exactly equal deceleration. The time for such a journey works out to be 42 minutes. Even if the tube does not pass through the exact center of the Earth, the time for a journey powered entirely by gravity (known as a gravity train) always works out to be 42 minutes, so long as the tube remains friction-free, as while the force of gravity would be lessened, the distance traveled is reduced at an equal rate. (The same idea was proposed, without calculation by Lewis Carroll in 1893 in Sylvie and Bruno Concluded. ) Now we know that is inaccurate, and it only would take about 38 minutes.
 * As determined by the Babylonians, in 79 years, Mars orbits the Sun almost exactly 42 times.
 * The hypothetical efficiency of converting mass to energy, as per $$E=mc^2,$$ by having a given mass orbit a rotating black hole, is 42%, the highest efficiency yet known to modern physics.
 * In Powers of Ten by Ray and Charles Eames, the known universe from large-scale to small-scale is represented by 42 different powers of ten. These powers range from 1025 meters to 10−17 meters.

Technology

 * Magic numbers used by programmers:
 * In TIFF (Tag Image File Format), the second 16-bit word of every file is 42, "an arbitrary but carefully chosen number that further identifies the file as a TIFF file".
 * In the reiser4 file system, 42 is the inode number of the root directory.
 * In the military IRIG 106 Chapter 10 data recording standard, the hex value 0x464F52545974776F (ASCII "FORTYtwo") is used as a magic number to identify directory blocks.
 * The GNU C Library, a set of standard routines available for use in computer programming, contains a function— memfrob —which performs an XOR combination of a given variable and the binary pattern 00101010 (42) as an XOR cipher.
 * Tiling a plane using regular hexagons, which is honeycomb in appearance, is approximated in a topological sense to an accuracy of better than 1% using a stretcher bond brick pattern with bricks of 42 squares (6 by 7).
 * The password expiration policy for a Microsoft Windows domain defaults to 42 days.
 * The ASCII code 42 is for the asterisk symbol, being a wildcard for everything.

Astronomy

 * Messier object M42, a magnitude 5.0 diffuse nebula in the constellation Orion, also known as the Orion Nebula.
 * The New General Catalogue object NGC 42, a spiral galaxy in the constellation Pegasus.
 * In January 2004, asteroid was given the permanent name 25924 Douglasadams, for the author Douglas Adams who popularized the number 42.  Adams died in 2001. Brian G. Marsden, the director of the Minor Planet Center and the secretary for the naming committee, remarked that, with even his initials in the provisional designation, "This was sort of made for him, wasn't it?".
 * Kepler-42, a red dwarf in the constellation Cygnus that hosts the three smallest exoplanets found to date.
 * 42 Isis, a large main-belt asteroid measuring about 100 km in diameter.

Religion

 * Ancient Egyptian religion: Over most of pharaonic Egyptian history, the empire was divided into 42 nomes. Ancient Egyptian religion and mythological structure frequently model this terrestrial structure.
 * 42 body parts of Osiris: In some traditions of the Osiris myth, Seth slays Osiris and distributes his 42 body parts all over Egypt. (In others, the number is fourteen and sixteen).
 * 42 negative confessions: In Ancient Egyptian religion, the 42 negative confessions were a list of questions asked of deceased persons making their journey through the underworld after death. Ma'at was an abstract concept representing moral law, order, and truth in both the physical and moral spheres, as well as being an important goddess in the religion. In the judgment scene described in the Egyptian Book of the Dead, which evolved from the Coffin Texts and the Pyramid Texts, 42 questions were asked of the deceased person as part of the assessment of Ma'at. If the deceased person could reasonably give answers to the 42 questions, they would be permitted to enter the afterlife. These 42 questions are known as the "42 Negative Confessions" and can be found in funerary texts such as the Papyrus of Ani.
 * 42 books in the core library: Clement of Alexandria states that the Egyptian temple library is divided into 42 "absolutely necessary" books that formed the stock of a core library. 36 contain the entire philosophy of the Egyptians which are memorized by the priests. While the remaining 6, are learned by the Pastophoroi (image-bearers).  (36 is like-wise a sacred number in Egyptian thought, related to time, in particular the thirty-six Decan stars and the thirty-six, 10-day "weeks" in the Egyptian year. ) The 42 books were not canonized like the Hebrew bible; they only supported and never replaced temple ritual. Hence, the destruction of the Egyptian temples and the cessation of the rituals ended Egyptian cultural continuity.
 * Abrahamic religions
 * There are 42 Stations of the Exodus which are the locations visited by the Israelites following their exodus from Egypt, recorded in Numbers 33, with variations also recorded in the books of Exodus and Deuteronomy.
 * In Ezra 2:24, 42 men of Beth-azmaveth were counted in the census of men of Israel upon return from exile; 2 Kings 2:24, God, because of a "curse" Elisha put on them, sent/allowed bears to maul 42 teenage boys who mocked Elisha for his baldness.
 * In Judaism, the number (in the Babylonian Talmud, compiled 375 AD to 499 AD) of the "Forty-Two Lettered Name" ascribed to God. Rab (or Rabhs), a 3rd-century source in the Talmud stated "The Forty-Two Lettered Name is entrusted only to him who is pious, meek, middle-aged, free from bad temper, sober, and not insistent on his rights". [Source: Talmud Kidduschin 71a, Translated by Rabbi I. Epstein]. Maimonides felt that the original Talmudic Forty-Two Lettered Name was perhaps composed of several combined divine names [Maimonides "Moreh"]. The apparently unpronouncable Tetragrammaton provides the backdrop from the Twelve-Lettered Name and the Forty-Two Lettered Name of the Talmud.
 * In Judaism, by some traditions the Torah scroll is written with no fewer than 42 lines per column, based on the journeys of Israel. In the present day, 42 lines is the most common standard, but various traditions remain in use (see Sefer Torah).
 * 42 is the number with which God creates the Universe in Kabbalistic tradition. In Kabbalah, the most significant name is that of the En Sof (also known as "Ein Sof", "Infinite" or "Endless"), who is above the Sefirot (sometimes spelled "Sephirot"). The Forty-Two-Lettered Name contains four combined names which are spelled in Hebrew letters (spelled in letters = 42 letters), which is the name of Azilut (or "Atziluth" "Emanation"). While there are obvious links between the Forty-Two Lettered Name of the Babylonian Talmud and the Kabbalah's Forty-Two Lettered Name, they are probably not identical because of the Kabbalah's emphasis on numbers. The Kabbalah also contains a Forty-Five Lettered Name and a Seventy-Two Lettered Name. 42 letters make the Ana beKo'ach prayer.
 * The number 42 appears in various contexts in Christianity. There are 42 generations (names) in the Gospel of Matthew's version of the Genealogy of Jesus.
 * Hebrew Bible & Book of Revelation: “For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.” (Psalm 90:4)→ “Fear God and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come. Worship the One who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and the springs of waters.” (Revelation 14:7)→ 1,000 years per day/24 hours per day ≈ 42 years/hour; it is prophesied that for 42 months the Beast will hold dominion over the Earth (Revelation 13:5); etc.
 * The Gutenberg Bible is also known as the "42-line Bible", as the book contained 42 lines per page.
 * The Forty-Two Articles (1552), largely the work of Thomas Cranmer, were intended to summarize Anglican doctrine, as it now existed under the reign of Edward VI.
 * East Asian religions
 * The Sutra of Forty-two Sections is a Buddhist scripture.
 * In Japanese culture, the number 42 is considered unlucky because the numerals when pronounced separately—shi ni (four two)—sound like the word "dying", like the Latin word "mori".

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
The number 42 is, in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams, the "Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything", calculated by an enormous supercomputer named Deep Thought over a period of 7.5 million years. Unfortunately, no one knows what the question is. Thus, to calculate the Ultimate Question, a special computer the size of a small planet was built from organic components and named "Earth". The Ultimate Question "What do you get when you multiply six by nine" is found by Arthur Dent and Ford Prefect in the second book of the series, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe. This appeared first in the radio play and later in the novelization of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. The fourth book in the series,, contains 42 chapters. According to, 42 is the street address of Stavromula Beta. In 1994, Adams created the 42 Puzzle, a game based on the number 42. Adams says he picked the number simply as a joke, with no deeper meaning.

Google also has a calculator easter egg when one searches "the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything." Once typed (all in lowercase), the calculator answers with the number 42.

Works of Lewis Carroll
Lewis Carroll, who was a mathematician, made repeated use of this number in his writings.

Examples of Carroll's use of 42:
 * Alice's Adventures in Wonderland has 42 illustrations.
 * Alice's attempts at multiplication (chapter two of Alice in Wonderland) work if one uses base 18 to write the first answer, and increases the base by threes to 21, 24, etc. (the answers working up to 4 × 12 = "19" in base 39), but "breaks" precisely when one attempts the answer to 4 × 13 in base 42, leading Alice to declare "oh dear! I shall never get to twenty at that rate!"
 * Rule Forty-two in Alice's Adventures in Wonderland ("All persons more than a mile high to leave the court").
 * Rule 42 of the Code in the preface to The Hunting of the Snark ("No one shall speak to the Man at the Helm").
 * In "fit the first" of The Hunting of the Snark the Baker had "forty-two boxes, all carefully packed, With his name painted clearly on each."
 * The White Queen announces her age as "one hundred and one, five months and a day", which—if the best possible date is assumed for the action of Through the Looking-Glass (e.g., a date is chosen such that the rollover from February to March is excluded from what would otherwise be an imprecise measurement of "five months and a day")—gives a total of 37,044 days. If the Red Queen, as part of the same chess set, is regarded as the same age, their combined age is 74,088 days, or 42 × 42 × 42.

Music

 * 42 Dugg is an American rapper.
 * "Forty-two" ("42") is a work (dedicated to Elvis Presley, Joe Dassin and Vladimir Vysotsky) for oboe and symphony orchestra by Estonian composer Peeter Vähi.
 * Level 42 is an English pop/rock/funk music band.
 * "42" is one of the tracks on Coldplay′s 2008 album Viva la Vida or Death and All His Friends.
 * "Channel 42" is an electronic music song by deadmau5 featuring Wolfgang Gartner; it appears on the 2012 deadmau5 album Album Title Goes Here.
 * "42" is a song from Mumford and Sons′ 2018 album Delta.
 * "42" is a song written and produced by hip-hop and record production trio 3Racha, which consists of members Bang Chan, Han Jisung, and Seo Changbin of popular k-pop group Stray Kids. A lyric in this song states, "Why do we live? What's the purpose? Is it 42? Stop speaking nonsense," which directly references The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy's definition of 42.
 * ""42"" is a song from the 2018 album SR3MM by American rap duo Rae Sremmurd.
 * "42" is a song from the 2019 album Don′t Panic by the progressive rock band IZZ. The album is a partial concept album based on The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
 * "42" is a song by The Disco Biscuits.

Television and film

 * The Kumars at No. 42 is a British comedy television series.
 * "42" is an episode of Doctor Who, set in real time lasting approximately 42 minutes.
 * On the game show Jeopardy!, "Watson" the IBM supercomputer has 42 "threads" in its avatar.
 * 42 is a film on the life of American baseball player Jackie Robinson.
 * Captain Harlock is sometimes seen wearing clothing with the number 42 on it.
 * In the Stargate Atlantis season 4 episode "Quarantine", Colonel Sheppard states that Dr. McKay's password ends in 42 because "It's the ultimate answer to the great question of life, the universe and everything."
 * In Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker, the Festival of the Ancestors on Planet Pasaana is held every 42 years. The film itself was released in 2019, 42 years after the 1977 original Star Wars film. By a "whole string of pretty meaningless coincidences", 2019 is the same year that 42 was found to be the largest possible natural number less than 100 to be expressed as a sum of three cubes.
 * In the TV show Lost, 42 is one of the numbers used throughout the show for some of its mysteries.
 * There is a Belgian TV drama called Unit 42 about a special police unit that uses high-tech tools to go after criminals. One of the characters in the pilot episode explains that the unit was named based on the Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy.

Video games

 * 42 Entertainment is the company responsible for several alternate reality games, including I Love Bees, Year Zero, and Why So Serious.
 * Tokyo 42 is a video game released in 2017.
 * Squadron 42 is a video game set in the Star Citizen Universe with an unspecified release date.

Sports

 * The jersey number of Jackie Robinson, which is the only number retired by all Major League Baseball teams. Although the number was retired in 1997, Mariano Rivera of the New York Yankees, the last professional baseball player to wear number 42, continued to wear it until he retired at the end of the 2013 season. As of the 2014 season, no player ever again wore the number 42 in Major League Baseball except on Jackie Robinson Day (April 15), when all uniformed personnel (players, managers, coaches, and umpires) wear the number.
 * The number of the laws of cricket.
 * Rule 42 is the historic name of a Gaelic Athletic Association rule (now codified in Rule 5.1 and Rule 44) that in practice prohibits the playing of "foreign sports" (generally association football and the rugby codes) at GAA grounds.

Architecture

 * The architects of the Rockefeller Center in New York City worked daily in the Graybar Building where on "the twenty-fifth floor, one enormous drafting room contained forty-two identical drawing boards, each the size of a six-seat dining room table; another room harboured twelve more, and an additional fourteen stood just outside the principals' offices at the top of the circular iron staircase connecting 25 to 26".
 * In the Rockefeller Center (New York City) there are a total of "forty-two elevators in five separate banks" which carry tenants and visitors to the sixty-six floors.

Comics

 * Miles Morales was bitten by a spider bearing the number 42, causing him to become a Spider-Man. The number was later heavily referenced in the film Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse. The use of 42 within the franchise references Jackie Robinson's use of the number, though many fans incorrectly believed it to be a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy reference.

Other fields

 * +42 is the historical Select Country for the former country of Czechoslovakia.
 * There are 42 US gallons in a barrel of oil.
 * 42 is the number of the French department of Loire. The number is also reflected in the postal code for that area.
 * Tower 42 is a skyscraper in the City of London, formerly known as the NatWest Tower.
 * In New York City, 42nd Street is a main and very popular two-way thoroughfare. Landmarks on it include the Chrysler Building, Grand Central Terminal, the main branch of the New York Public Library, and Times Square. The Headquarters of the United Nations is at the east end of the street. The New York City street is also the setting for a movie by the same name (which also gave fame to its eponymous title song), and which later inspired a musical adaptation, 42nd Street.
 * 42 is the inspiration for the name of the 42 Center of Excellence for Artificial Intelligence, based in Vienna, Austria.
 * 42 is the name of the private computer science school with campuses located in Paris, France, and Fremont, California.
 * 42 in Chinese reads sì èr, which is very close to shì a (是啊), which means 'yes'. It was once popular among young Chinese to send '42' as a short message to stand for 'yes'.
 * 42 is the sum of the numbers on a pair of dice.
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James Thornhill

Sir James Thornhill (25 July 1675 or 1676 – 4 May 1734) was an English painter of historical subjects working in the Italian baroque tradition. He was responsible for some large-scale schemes of murals, including the "Painted Hall" at the Royal Hospital, Greenwich, the paintings on the inside of the dome of St Paul's Cathedral, and works at Chatsworth House and Wimpole Hall.

Life
Thornhill was born in Melcombe Regis, Dorset, the son of Walter Thornhill of Wareham and Mary, eldest daughter of Colonel William Sydenham, governor of Weymouth. In 1689 he was apprenticed to Thomas Highmore (1660–1720), a specialist in non-figurative decorative painting. He also learned a great deal from Antonio Verrio and Louis Laguerre, two prominent foreign decorative painters then working in England. He completed his apprenticeship in 1696 and, on 1 March 1704, became a Freeman of the Painter-Stainers' Company of London.

Decorative schemes

Thornhill decorated palace interiors with large-scale compositions, with figures commonly shown in idealized and rhetorical postures. In 1707, he was given the commission to decorate the Hall now known as the Painted Hall at the Old Royal Naval College (1707–1727). The scheme of allegorical wall and ceiling decorations of the hall depicts the Protestant succession of English monarchs from William III and Mary II to George I.

On 28 June 1715, Thornhill was awarded the commission to decorate the dome of St Paul's Cathedral by "a whig, low-church dominated committee inspired by a moral Anglican nationalism". The Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Tenison, is said to have remarked: "I am no judge of painting, but on two articles I think I may insist: first that the painter employed be a Protestant; and secondly that he be an Englishman". The Weekly Packet said that the decision to award Thornhill the commission would "put to silence all the loud applauses hitherto given to foreign artists". The eight scenes in the dome (1716–19), executed in grisaille, show episodes from the Life of St. Paul.

Thornhill's vast murals in great houses often related to topical events, as seen through the eyes of his mainly Whig patrons. At Chatsworth, during 1707-8, Thornhill painted a number of walls and ceilings, the most notable being the continuous wall and ceiling painting of the Sabine room, then a lobby, but since used as a bedroom. Here he painted The Rape of the Sabine Women, a vast panorama of mounted warriors carrying off the Sabine women to Rome. He chooses to feature strongly Hersilia, who was deified for her loyalty to her Roman husband, Romulus, as against her Sabine family - a deliberate reference to Mary, lauded by the Whigs for supporting her Protestant husband, William, against her Catholic father, James.

At Hanbury Hall, beneath an imposing view of both the Olympian Gods and the story of Achilles which dominates the ceiling of the main staircase, Thornhill added a small portrait of Rev Henry Sacheverell, a Tory propagandist put on trial for sedition by the Whig government in 1710, being cast to the Furies to be burnt. In 1716, Thornhill painted the ceiling of the Great Hall in Blenheim Palace for John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough, newly returned to the country after being prosecuted by the Tory ministry in the last years of Queen Anne. The subject is, inevitably, the Duke's 1704 victory at the Battle of Blenheim, during the War of the Spanish Succession.

His last major commission was to paint the chapel at Wimpole Hall; he started work on the preliminary sketches in 1713 and the work was finished by 1724. The north wall has fictive architecture and four Trompe-l'œil "statues" of the four Doctors of the Church. The east wall above the altar is painted with the Adoration of the Magi.

In 1725 he offered to paint decorations for the ceiling of the New Council Chamber at the Guildhall in the City of London. He gave his services free, although he was rewarded with a valuable gold cup. The chamber was later demolished, though some of the paintings – an Allegory of London, and representations of the Cardinal Virtues, personified as naked children – survive.

Other works
In his native Dorset Thornhill decorated the reredos at St. Mary's Church, Weymouth, with a picture of the Last Supper. Thornhill was also a notable portraitist. He also carried out a commission in Worcestershire painting the walls and ceiling around the grand staircase at Hanbury Hall.

Drawing academies
In 1711, Thornhill was one of the twelve original directors of Sir Godfrey Kneller's academy at Great Queen Street, London. In 1716, he succeeded Kneller as Governor there and held the post until 1720. He then established his own private drawing school at Covent Garden, but this soon closed. In November 1724, Thornhill made a second, more successful, attempt to establish a new free academy in his private house at Covent Garden. One artist that Thornhill is very likely to have influenced is the draughtsman and mathematical instrument designer Thomas Carwitham.

William Hogarth
William Hogarth seems to have been a member of Thornhill's second academy from the beginning. On 23 March 1729 he married Thornhill's daughter Jane. Thornhill was with Hogarth when he went to see Sarah Malcolm in Newgate prison just days before her execution. This was in order that Hogarth might record her portrait.

Honours
In June 1718 George I made Thornhill court painter, and in March 1720 Serjeant Painter, succeeding his former master Highmore in the latter role. On 2 May 1720, the king knighted him, the first native artist to be knighted. In the same year, he was master of the Painters' Company and in 1723 fellow of the Royal Society.

Political career
Thornhill was returned unopposed as Member of Parliament for Melcombe Regis at the 1722 British general election. He was returned in a contest at the 1727 British general election. During his time, he voted regularly with the Government. He presented to the church an altarpiece painted by himself.

Houses and architecture
In 1718 Thornhill took a large house on Covent Garden Piazza, and in 1725 he renovated Thornhill House in the south of Stalbridge, near Sturminster Newton, Dorset, in the Palladian manner.

In 1720 he tried his hand at architecture. Along with Giacomo Leoni, he designed Moor Park, for which he also painted the entrance hall ceiling and other rooms.

Raphael cartoons
Towards the end of his life Thornhill was receiving no major commissions, so he began to copy the Raphael Cartoons, then at Hampton Court. Apart from full-size copies, completed in 1731, he made a set at half-scale, plus 162 smaller studies of heads, hands and feet intending to publish them in printed form for the use of art students, but left this work unfinished at his death. The original small wash designs of details of the cartoons are now in the collection of the Victoria and Albert Museum, London.

Thornhill's copies of the cartoons were sold by auction by Christopher Cock on 24 and 25 February 1735 at his room in the Great Piazza, Covent Garden. The full-sized copies of the cartoons were bought by the 4th Duke of Bedford for £200, a very small sum which was less than the cost of the canvas and other materials used in making them. In 1800 the 5th Duke of Bedford presented them to the Royal Academy of Arts in London, where they remain.

title: James Thornhill