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Talk:Christmas carol

Sufjan Stevens
Do we want to provide a reference to Sufjan Stevens' Songs for Christmas ? Riccarrdo

Charles Dickens
Do we want to provide a reference to Charles Dickens's A Christmas Carol ? Chadloder

World Record
Do we want to include the World Record for largest caroling service? Mydotnet 01:05, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

This article can't seem to make up its mind: "A Christmas carol is a carol (song or hymn) whose lyrics are on the theme of Christmas, or the winter season in general." And later on: "Secular songs such as "White Christmas" and "Blue Christmas" are clearly not Christmas carols, though they are also popular in the period before Christmas, and should therefore be considered to be Christmas songs." The Christmas song article seems to indicate that a song must be traditional to be a carol, but doesn't identify what "traditional" means (often is music it is used for an old song when the author is unknown, which is not true of many Christmas carols). This article indicates the song does not have to be religious to be a carol. The List of Christmas carols also seems to make some arbitrary distinctions between song and carol. Can me get some consistent definitions here? -R. fiend 03:50, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * The problem seems to be between the technical musical terminology of a carol, which may or may not have anything to do with Christmas (Although generally having to do with Advent, Christmas, Holy Week, Lent, or Easter), and the colloquial meaning of carol, which always refers to a sung piece of music related to the shopping period between Thanksgiving and New Years. So, which should this article be on? Also, there is no such thing as "Medieval chord patterns". Perhaps the meaning is that they are generally polyphonic rather than based on Common practice period tonal harmony, which results in different sonorities. I'm not sure what exactly was originally meant though.Makemi 21:29, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Wikipedia currently defines Carol as "a festive song, generally religious but not necessarily connected with church worship, and often with a dance-like or popular character." Yet this article says, "Secular songs ... are not true Christmas carols." Contradictory? And who defined these terms anyhow? Some cited sources would be nice when making sweeping generalizations about what carols are/are not (and how Christmas carols may/may not differ in definition from non-Christmas carols). Smells dangerously of Original Research to me. 66.17.118.195 15:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Merging articles
I would suggest that the article "Carol (music)" should be comined with this article "Christmas carol". All carols are Christmas carols. There are no Easter carols or midsummer carols. It is also very rare to have the music without the words (except in shopping malls). Ogg 09:43, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

"or the winter season in general." is incorrect as there are also christmas carols about the summer. There are two hemispheres; the other one has summer at christmas.

 * Ogg. From the back of my copy of "The Oxford Book of Carols",

 * "It contains 197 carols. Most are for the Christmas season, but some are for Passiontide or Easter, or for other seasons of the year."

 * Most people use 'carol' to mean 'Christmas carol', but there are other carols too. Some used currently at Christmas were originally New Year's carols. There are Lent carols and secular Christmas carols (The Boar's Head Carol and Sir Christemas for examples) and spring carols (Tempus Adest Floridum, the source of the tune to Good King Wenceslas). There's a carol for Saint Stephen. The Sans Day Carol isn't really a Christmas Carol, but one for the Easter season. The Furry Day Carol is a May song starting "Remember us poor Mayers all!" Nos Galan is a Welsh New Year's Eve secular Carol.

 * The point of this really is that 1) Not all carols are Christmas carols 2) What a carol is is hard to define, and really depends on its history, and the history of music. But we can all agree that Rudolph the Red-nose Reindeer is not a carol, and The Holly and the Ivy is. Skittle 19:58, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I stand corrected. Ogg 13:17, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with the merge proposal. I think 'Christmas Carol' should be a heading on the Carol (music) article. Madder 19:46, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Boar's Head Carol
The Boars Head Carol is sung at The Queen's College Oxford not Christ Church Oxford. There is no Christ Church Cambridge contrary to the claim in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.68.171 (talk) 15:33, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

There is a Christ Church in Cambridge but it is a 19th century church. The comment above was added in 2007 - isn't it time someone corrected the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.60.100.100 (talk) 22:11, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Removing the reference to Christ Church, Cambridge. 94.197.122.86 (talk) 09:29, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Wexford Carol
Should the Wexford Carol be mentioned here? It's a 12th Century Irish Carol which hasn't changed (apart from translation to English) even the tune, apparently, is unchanged. If I can find references to this, would it be of interest to the main article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.198.162.106 (talk) 10:38, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Also called a Noel
Who calls a carol a Noel? DJ Clayworth (talk) 17:58, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Christmas Carols in classical music - cleanup
I removed references to Handel's Messiah and and the Nutcracker from this section. The paragraphs did not mention the connection (if any) to the topic. These works are not and do not include Christmas Carols. --12.119.210.194 (talk) 21:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

History
I added a reference to modern Christmas carols, specifically mentioning the works of Alfred Burt. --12.119.210.194 (talk) 21:11, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm involved in music in a church in Cambridge, UK, and have never heard of Alfred Burt. I suspect that his works are well known in the US but not the UK, and the article should be amended accordingly. 62.60.100.100 (talk) 22:15, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Origin of the word
"It is not clear whether the word carol derives from the French "carole" or the Latin "carula" meaning a circular dance."

What is the root of the word? Is it 'car'? What does it (the root) mean? Is there any connection to the English word 'car'?

The English spelling is a mess: 'cirkle' is spellt with 'c' pronounced as 's'; 'curve' is spellt with 'c' but pronounced as 'k' .... and so forth. Let's write these words phonetically: 'kirkle' and 'kurve'.

Make a small experiment now: say these words aloud and listen to the sounds you make. You'll find, the second sound doesn't have an English phonetic: it is an 'ő' sound. Let's write the words phonetically again: 'kőrkle and kőrve. Since the English does not pronounce the trailing 'e' it can be dropped: kőrkl and kőrv. Now the root of the words is clear: kőr. But what does it mean? Both of these words are to do with a cirkle. Indeed, 'kőr' means cirkle.

Now it is that vowels change easily: ker, kar, kur, kir have the same meaning. Therefore 'carol' -> 'karol' -> 'körol' -> köröl is the same. Another experiment: say aloud 'k' and 'g'. Feel how you are changing the position of the very back of your tongue. These two sounds are very-very close to each-other. Indeed, they used to be interchangable. Some long time ago, at the dawn of speach there was no difference. Therefore the 'k' can be changed to 'g': ger, gar, gur, gir and still, the words are to do with a 'cirkle'.

Word-roots, like trees grow branches: something is added to the root and the meaning is extended. All these words are part of a large word-tree. Not all of them found their way into Latin, French, English, German and others. Some examples for Latin -> English and French are above. In German 'kirche' means church and 'garten' -> 'garden' have the same root too.

So how do we know the origin of the root-word. Easy: which language has the largest word-tree around it? That is the Hungarian. The word 'curve' in Hungarian is two words: 'kör iv' written as one word 'köriv' and it means the same as the English version. Is there any connection to the English word 'car'? In Hungarian 'gör' is a root of words to do with 'rolling'. It is now clear that 'gör' -> 'gar' -> 'car' mean the same. Hungarian has more vowels than English. The sound 'é' stands for the sound in 'gear'. Phonetically: 'gér' and it should be obvious now that the root is the same 'kōr', 'ker', 'kér' -> 'gōr', 'ger', 'gér'. Indeed, in the gear-box there are gears and they are circular.

'Karol' also means 'folding arms' as well as putting one's arm around someone's shoulder. Many dances use this element. Finally, in Hungarian 'karol' also means 'cuddle' thus the carol is not just a circular dance where the dancers 'karol' each other but the tradition holds the village, the community together by passing the culture to the younger generation via those songs and dances.

For further info on Hungarian words in English see: http://www.varga.hu/ Look for the English flag to read the English articles. (Bill 9-Jan-08) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.95.112.212 (talk) 01:57, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

No Batman Smells?
Why aren't the naughty or bad lyrics of these songs not addressed in the article? Because almost every Christmas carol I know, I only know the evil lyrics.

For instance:

Batman's in the kitchen, Robin's down the hall, Joker's in the bathroom pissing on the wall! Jingle bells, Batman smells, Robin laid an egg, Batmobile lost a wheel and Joker got away, hey! Jingle bells, Batman smells, fifteen miles away, blew his nose though Cherrios and eats 'em everyday, hey!

Or:

Joy to the world, the teacher's dead, because I barbecued her head. Don't worry about her toes, I shoved 'em up her nose. Don't worry about her body, I flushed her down the potty. 'Round and 'round it goes, 'round and 'round it goes.

Or:

Deck the halls with gasoline fala la lala la la lala, Light a match and watch it gleam fala la lala la la lala, Burn the schoolhouse down to ashes fala la lala la la lala, Aren't you glad you played with matches? fala la lala la la lala

And of course, the extremely offensive LeRoy song, sung to the tune or Rudolph.

(I forgot about Bob River's Walking Around in Women's Underwear, sung to the tune of Winter Wonderland.)

Just wondering why these aren't addressed. Coffee5binky (talk) 19:18, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Because this is a serious encyclopedia project. Now, get lost. —QuicksilverT @ 21:09, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Yeah because in an encyclopedia, they never address ubiquitous phenomenon because it's not serious enough. Does anyone have a legitimate criticism apart from "get lost"? 76.10.171.80 (talk) 07:14, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

 * Do you have any legitimate criticism apart from your very unobjective, unhelpful, and rude "no it's not serious enough, now get lost"? That kind of response helps no one and is, more importantly, not a satisfactory criticism. 184.175.41.10 (talk) 02:09, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

 * What about: schoolyard parodies of Christmas Carols are like dirty jokes, ubiquitous and in need of their own page. 184.5.103.244 (talk) 08:05, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Un Feu, Jeanette et Isabella
Should not the Medival French Carol Un Feu, Jeanette et Isabella be included? Loosely translated it means Bring a Torch, Jeanette and Isabella. I understand both the words and the tune are from the Middle Ages. Patnclaire (talk) 06:26, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You might be looking for List_of_Christmas_carols 98.215.8.67 (talk) 04:02, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Silent Night translation
Any evidence that the first translation of Silent Night into English was published in an 1871 Methodist hymnal? The article on Silent Night says that it was translated in 1859 by the Episcopal bishop of Florida. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.255.210.8 (talk) 06:19, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Christmas carol and villancico
Should "Christmas carol" and villancico be merged? Or should a Spanish article about "Christmas carol" be created? Best!--Correogsk or Gustavo (Eritrocito or Heme aquí) 23:09, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

1833?
This article (currently) (see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christmas_carol&oldid=639326737 ) contains the year "1833". Maybe that is right, but if so, then this web page (which says "1823") is wrong.

Does anyone here have a copy of the book (the book titled Carols Ancient and Modern, edited by William Sandys)? Or is there some method (perhaps using OCLC or the Library of Congress or something?) to find out which one is wrong? --Mike Schwartz (talk) 22:08, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

 * The book is actually called "Christmas Carols, Ancient and Modern", and it was published in 1833 according to the British Library catalogue. You can see a copy of the book on Archive.org, here. MichaelMaggs (talk) 16:35, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

 * I've added a citation to the book. But we don't yet have a source confirming that this was the first publication of those carols. MichaelMaggs (talk) 11:32, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Rename
Renaming this article to "Christmas carols" fits better with its place in Christmas music -- where Christmas songs are plural throughout -- as well as the subheadings in the article itself. Perhaps it is more searched on in the plural form. The plural makes room for both a discussion of the carol as a form, and short lists of titles below.--Artaxerxes (talk) 15:49, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

 * I think the title should be retained in the singular, per WP:SINGULAR. As with the example Dog, it's perfectly easy to discuss a class, type or form without putting the title in the plural. It's true that several of the current subheadings use the plural form "Christmas carols", but those should be changed anyway to comply with MOS:NOBACKREF (section headings should not redundantly refer back to the subject of the article). For example, "Church and liturgical use of Christmas carols" should be changed to "Church and liturgical use". I see no special exceptional case here that requires a plural title. MichaelMaggs (talk) 16:27, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree with MichaelMaggs's reasoning on both points (title, section headings). The article should be moved back urgently. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:02, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * So decided to move it without discussion? I do not agree and am going to attempt to restore it until discussion has concluded. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:00, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is the encyclopedia anyone can edit. Don't get offended when people change stuff, just change it back if it's not correct98.215.8.67 (talk) 03:59, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

"Christma Carol" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Christma Carol. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 20 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 15:05, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Suppression of Carols is missing?
Is there a reason why this well known episode in English carol history has been entirely omitted ? there is discussion of their return to popularity toward the later Victorian period but not their suppression from the earlier nineteenth century (due to association with popular rowdiness profanity and drunkenness)? It is well known that musicians were banned from the churches by overzealous vicars and the tradition was instead maintained only in rural pubs such as in Yorkshire and Cornwall from where they were revived from near extinction by academic and 're-evangelised' in the modern religious carol service tradition which began at the inauguration of Truro cathedral in the 20th century. I also haven't yet seen the explanation that 'carol' originally meant a dance rather than a song. Truth regards not who is the speaker, nor in what manner it is spoken, but that the thing be true; and she does not despise the jewel which she has rescued from the mud, but adds it to her former treasures 18:24, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source? Why don't you add it? Sounds like a good addition98.215.8.67 (talk) 04:00, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Good King Wenceslas
Good King Wenceslas: the tune as noted in the article was in the 16th-century Piae Cantiones but the words date to the Victorian period and the original tune was an Easter carol. 37.203.198.184 (talk) 06:11, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

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Sexuality
Nell Carter is listed as bisexual; could someone write a blurb about when she came out?--Bjeversole 07:56, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The article orginally stated that she was sort of "outed" after her death and that many people didn't know she was living with a female lover (now referred to in the article as her "partner"); apparently someone felt that information needed to be removed...I will put it back in. Pacian 08:05, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It's possible that someone removed it because they couldn't verify the information. I understand that Kaser was given custody of Carter's adopted sons, but other than that I haven't found any information about her "coming out". In any case, we don't need to speculate in the article. --Dystopos 14:32, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * There are references to her having a partner, Ann Kaser, in obituaries (http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/19245/-pop-soul-belter-nell-carter-54-devoted-convert-to-judaism-dies/) but nothing about her coming out in a very public way. Eudemis (talk) 21:57, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * This article states that she was in a relationship with Kaser since the 1990's and that Kaser was her "domestic partner," revealed after her death. PurpleTheory (talk) 18:39, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Main page
Could somebody flesh this out? This article is listed on the Main Page and it isn't even a 500 byte stub. Normally I would remove such an entry from the Main Page per the guidelines in Selected Articles on the Main Page but for some reason I didn't. --mav

 * I changed my mind and replaced Nell Carter with another recent death article that is far better developed. --mav

Main Page
Footnote 2 is mistaken. I knew and worked with Nell Carter in Birmingham, Alabama's Society's Child Coffee House in 1968-1969, where she performed as the vocalist in owner David Walbert's progressive jazz band "The Renaissance Ensemble". The band did go to New York City in 1969, but she was singing as Nell Carter in Birmingham the previous year.

(s) Lee Edmundson — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.19.14.43 (talk) 07:04, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Picture quality
This is the best picture you can come up with? There are clearer pictures of Abraham Lincoln!! (--unsigned comment left 09:56, 30 November 2005 by User:194.29.36.107)

Brain Tumor?

 * There is a link from 'notable brain tumor patients' but no mention of cancer in the article. Either cite it or remove the link. (--unsigned comment left 20:57, 29 January 2006 by User:68.229.165.237)
 * I removed the reference. I did find one site that claimed she was among a number of celebrities that had suffered from brain tumors, but the site didn't cite a source. --Dystopos 06:13, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Intelligence

 * I'm a little surprised that the article didn't refer to Nell's intelligence. She was brilliant and you couldn't help but notice it the minute she began to speak. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trent535 (talk • contribs)
 * From what I understand too, she was very lovable.

The Colbert Report is not a news program
On the April 24, 2008 edition of The Colbert Report, Stephen announced that he was upset with Jimmy Carter over his contact with Hamas and thus now only recognized Nell Carter as the 39th President of the United States. This has led to a small flood of editors adding this "information" to her biography. That's vandalism, folks. Not funny. - Dravecky (talk) 08:07, 25 April 2008 (UTC) Actually, it is pretty funny. 149.169.86.195 (talk) 14:55, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

A lesbian?
I didn't know she was a lesbian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.190.218.100 (talk) 06:44, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Yet she was one anyway. --68.41.20.17 (talk) 05:53, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

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Former Christian?
Should Nell Carter's page really be linked from African-American former Christians? The Personal Life section of her page said she self-identified as Pentecostal. I don't think the "former" means "deceased". Kylie20 (talk) 02:52, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I think it was referring to the fact that she later converted to Judaism. 2604:2D80:6984:3800:0:0:0:7F3C (talk) 01:42, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Fiqh

Only THE most controversial topic in Islam
Only THE most controversial topic in Islam - more scholars that look at this, the better.

The very purpose of the Ijtihaad of a mujtahid is that it should be followed, so i'm removing the silly comment about "who had no idea..." HussaynKhariq 19:17, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Move
This article was moved without any discussion by Timothy Usher. Even ignoring that Timothy has a done this before, the move is unacceptable. We leave articles with their correct names. The example I used was that Jewish Law redirects to Halakha, but of course there are many other articles like that. There is no rule that says we have to accept the translation of the name. Fiqh is the correct and appropriate name for the concept, not Islamic Jurisprudence. So unless Timothy is willing to redirect all wikipedia pages to their rough translations and not just targetting the Islamic ones whenever he finds the chance, he should stop making arbitrary moves. -- a.n.o.n.y.m  t 21:44, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Removal of the banner saying page needs editting
I understand the article may need editing. However, because of the side bar with the links, the placement of the need to edit banner may confuse readers to think the page is empty and not scroll down. I think for the sake of others, we should take it down but continue working. If the article needs work, I can try to help.ZaydHammoudeh 06:40, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Scratch the above message. I fixed the problem.  Sorry for the mistake.ZaydHammoudeh 07:02, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

 * The article still reads like a mere list of inter-Wiki links. I am fully aware that the issue is wrought in controversy, but such a controversial topic might deserve a fuller article than the amputated list it is now, no? --Tirolion 12:16, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Zaidi Shia, Jaffari Shias and Zahiris
I see we are missing Zaidis - A group of Shia that is very similar to Hanafis in terms of Fiqh.

 * I once asked a (Yemeni) Zaidi about their fiqh (and the fact that he was willing to pray behind Sunnis whereas most Iraqi Shiahs weren't) and he mentioned there had been a split some time in the past between those who decided to stay close to Shiah fiqh and those who came adopted understandings closer to the Sunni opinion. I'd be interested to hear more about what they actually practice but I've not come acroos any English sources about them. Incidentally the Zaidi madhhab has nothing to do with the Zaidis of the Indian subcontinent. 86.140.215.96 00:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree the Zaidis as well as Jaffari and even Zahiris should be included - this is an encyclopaedia entry not a partisan sunni page so all should be reviewed on a factual basis Jk54 (talk) 12:31, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Salman
Why was the reference to Salman removed? --Striver 16:40, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Salman al Farsi is not the grandfather of Abu Hanifa. --Truthpedia 19:20, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Merge from Islamic Jurisprudence?

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Hi, I am not islamic, but I have come across the Principles of Islamic Jurisprudence article as part of my effort to resolve Backlogged maintenance. The merge proposal has been up since Jan/06 and I would like to have a discussion to resolve the matter one way or the other. Can someone answer if Fiqh is an Arabic word that has a literal English translation? Does Fiqh mean Islamic Jurisprudence? Alan.ca 08:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
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Move to Islamic Jurisprudence
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 13:30, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
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Since this is the english wikipedia and not the Arabic wikipedia, can we move this article to the english name?--Sefringle 00:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Fiqh → Islamic Jurisprudence – {this is english wikipedia, not arabic wikipedia. The english name makes more sense for this article}--Sefringle 02:31, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Survey
''Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" or other opinion in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion with ~
 * Oppose - It is understandable is to use the translation. However, fiqh is more commonly used and some might be confused by the terminology.  Just as Hadith is accepted on wikipedia, so should fiqh.  In addition, fiqh has more than one meaning than just Islamic Jurisprudence.  For instance, Abu Hanifa entitled his book on creed, "Fiqh al-Akbar."  Fiqh has many meanings that Islamic Jurisprudence don't summarize.ZaydHammoudeh 20:18, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose - For the same reasons stated above. Fiqh is much more well understood term than Islamic Jurisprudence which is a weak translation of only part of what the original Arabic term covers. --Nkv 12:13, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose, both terms appear to be used in English-language sources, so I don't think using English here is completely necessary. Recury 14:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Support, Islamic Jurisprudence is the accepted academic subject for discussing fiqh. Though fiqh may have varying usages linguistically, that does not prohibit it from moving this page. Fiqh al-Akbar is a book about creed so should appear under the article under creed (imaan/aqeedah) - however the technical usage has developed and become used in a specialised sense which this article is about, and that is Islamic Jurisprudence. Zaf159 14:31, 09 April 2007
 * Oppose, the above statements do, by and large, tabulate the reasoning as to why this article should remain. Nevertheless, I do agree that an Islamic scholar should be sought in order to rectify the article. Nalco 02:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

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Based directly on the Quran and Sunna
Is it necessary to have "—which is based directly on the Quran and Sunna—" in the lead sentence? This recent change seems to introduce a distracting POV argument into the lede section. I'm no expert in this subject, so I'm asking if others may consider this. / edg ☺ ☭ 17:40, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

 * I'm the one who added that to the lead. The idea is both Sharia and fiqh are often translated as "Islamic law", so it's useful to distinguish between them straight away. --BoogaLouie (talk) 17:57, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

 * To a novice reader like me, the interrupted structure seems to emphasize the lineage from Quran and Sunna, almost defensively suggesting fiqh is therefore sacred and beyond revision. (I realize this is not literally stated in this text, or intended, but it reminds me of Catholics I've met who confidently state theirs is the true Christianity because the papal line of succession decends from Peter, appointed by Jesus.)
 * Does this version work? Same meaning I think, but with evolving nature given equal emphasis. Please revert if this changes the meaning. I'm also wondering if "supplemented" makes more sense than "complemented". Again, I'm ignorant on this subject, and confident in my ability to be wrong here. / edg ☺ ☭ 23:13, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation Help
Hey, help a law student out - and can someone, using IPA or phonetic spelling, add in how to pronounce this word in English? Gautam Discuss 22:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

 * fɪqh -- I think would be the IPA.  It's basically "fick" as you would say it in English but instead of the 'k' sounds it's 'q' which is voiceless uvular plosive--very similar but Arabs can tell them apart.  I think the 'ha' at the end is just sort of like aspiration since there is no vowel sound after it... at least that's how I've heard it. gren グレン 22:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Thanks gren. Do you think it would be appropriate to add that information into the main article for English readers who are not native Arabic speakers? Gautam Discuss 23:59, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

The pronunciation indicated in the article, "[faqɪah]", is utter nonsense. It's actually [fɪqh] or [fɪqəh]. I don't have a source; it's just what the Arabic spelling indicates. Should I correct it?--Linguistatlunch (talk) 18:16, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Legal Systems Map Errors
The legal systems map contains errors or inaccuracies, e.g. in terms of Morocco, the legal system is largely Code Civil with Islamic jurisprudence only applying to family law, and that itself 'translated' into code civil. A similar situation holds in Jordan (although with Common Law influence). It's grossly inaccurate to suggest the legal system is primarily Islamic jurisprudence based, like say in Saudi Arabia. collounsbury (talk) 12:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Methodologies of jurisprudence
I removed the Quran alone line in this section, this is not a methodology of law but a sect who do not accept that any sayings of Muhammad have been preserved throughout history. This is completely rejected by prety much everyone muslim and non muslim alike. Further more there are no qualafied indaviduals in this sect, they have produced no legal works and there have never been any institutions of higher learning who teach this anywhere they number maybe in the thousands around the world and are hardely noteworthy.

This page is about Law and its methodoligies not reductionist theory by unqualafied indaviduals/laymen.

Ibn kathir (talk) 23:02, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Ja'fari jurisprudence
i removed the line "the Shia leader for Shia Islam" this isnt an accurate representation of history, since none of these imams formed a madhhab in their own lifetimes but later generations codified their methodologies and established these schools. The imam was also not a leader in his own life time and avoided all attempts to thrust him into positions of leadership.

Ibn kathir (talk) 07:48, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

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Advanced Photo System

Advanced Photo System (APS) is a discontinued film format for still photography first produced in 1996. It was marketed by Eastman Kodak under the brand name Advantix, by FujiFilm under the name Nexia, by Agfa under the name Futura and by Konica as Centuria.

Design

The film is 24 mm wide, and has three image formats:

 * H for "High Definition" (30.2 × 16.7 mm; aspect ratio 16:9; 4×7" print) (1.25 crop compared to 36x24mm full frame)
 * C for "Classic" (25.1 × 16.7 mm; aspect ratio 3:2; 4×6" print) (1.44 crop compared to 36x24mm full frame)
 * P for "Panoramic" (30.2 × 9.5 mm; aspect ratio 3:1; 4×11" print) (1.36 crop compared to 36x24mm full frame)

The "C" and "P" formats are formed by cropping the 30.2 × 16.7 mm "High Definition" image. The full image is recorded on the film, and an image recorded in one aspect ratio can be reprinted in another. The "C" format has an equivalent aspect ratio to a 135 film image. Most APS cameras (with the exception of some disposable cameras) can record all three formats; the format selection is indicated on the film by a series of exposed squares alongside the image area or recorded on the magnetic coating depending on the camera. In the absence of an operator-specified format, the machine printing an APS roll will use these indicators to determine the output format of each print.

Film and cartridge

The film is on a polyethylene naphthalate (PEN) base, and is housed in a single-spool 39 mm long plastic cartridge. The basic diameter is 21 mm, while it measures 30 mm at the slot where the film exits. The slot is protected by a lightproof door. It is available in 40, 25 and 15 exposure lengths. The film surface has a transparent magnetic coating, and the camera uses this information exchange (IX) system for recording information about each exposure. The camera handles winding and rewinding automatically, to the extent that partially exposed films can, in certain cameras, be removed and used later. Numbered symbols (called 'visual indicators') on the cartridge end indicate the status:

 * 1) Full circle: Unexposed
 * 2) Half circle: Partly exposed
 * 3) Cross sign: Fully exposed but not processed
 * 4) Rectangle: Processed

Additionally, a tab on this end of the cartridge indicates that the cartridge has been processed.

Information exchange
A major distinction of APS film is the ability to record information other than the image. This information exchange is most commonly used for print aspect ratio, but can also be used to record the date and time that the photograph was taken, store a caption, and record exposure data such as shutter speed and aperture setting. This information can be read by the photo printing equipment to determine the print aspect ratio, print information on the back (or, rarely, the front) of the photograph, or to improve print quality.

Two methods for storing information on the film are employed: "magnetic IX" and "optical IX". Optical IX is employed by less expensive cameras and disposable cameras, and employs a light source to expose a small section of the film, outside of the image negative area. This method is limited to determining the print aspect ratio of the finished print.

Magnetic IX is used in the more expensive cameras and allows for more information exchange. Most cameras with magnetic IX automatically record the exposure date and time on the magnetic layer, with more advanced models allowing the user to specify a predetermined caption to be printed on the photo or record the exposure settings, as well as determine print aspect ratio. Magnetic IX caused some problems for photo processors, who found their magnetic reading heads had to be cleaned frequently, or that their equipment's ability to print this information was limited.

Processing
Unlike 135 film, processed (developed) APS film is stored in the original cartridge. For identification, every roll of APS film has a six-digit ID code on the label, which is also stored magnetically and is visible on either end of the processed negative. This ID is usually printed on the back of every individual print. This ID was designed to be an additional convenience both for the photoprocessor (who can easily match each strip of processed film with its cartridge, and each cartridge to a particular customer's order) and for the consumer, who can easily locate the correct cartridge if reprints are desired.

To facilitate automatic processing of film, a unique DX number is assigned to the different types of film.

APS film is typically processed by using a small machine to transfer the exposed APS film from the original cartridge to a reloadable one, then re-attached to the original cartridge and rewound using another machine after processing.

Cameras

The format was introduced in 1996 by Kodak, Fujifilm, Minolta, Nikon, Canon and others. APS was mainly used for point and shoot amateur cameras, although some SLR systems were also created: Canon EOS IX, Minolta Vectis, Nikon Pronea with Nikon IX lenses. Of these the Canon EOS IX and the Nikon Pronea could use the existing 35 mm SLR lenses, whereas Minolta opted to create a new lens line-up later shared with an early digital SLR. Nikon developed the IX series of lens that were lighter and had a smaller image circle (similar to the Nikon DX format used since 2004). Although the Nikon IX series of lenses were not compatible with the Nikon 35 mm SLR, lenses for the Nikon 35 mm SLR were compatible with the Nikon Pronea. Using existing lenses meant that the field of view was reduced by around 1.6×, but had the advantage of a larger lens selection. Creating a new lens system on the other hand gave the possibility of creating smaller and lighter lenses as they had a smaller image circle to cover. APS SLR cameras were too expensive for the high-end amateur market when they first appeared, and professional photographers stuck with 35 mm cameras, which offered greater image quality and resolution.

Presently the terms APS-C and APS-H are most often used in reference to various makes of digital SLR that contain imaging sensors that are (very) roughly equivalent to their respective film dimensions given above (see Crop factor). Concurrently to their APS SLR film cameras, some manufacturers released lenses intended for use on APS film cameras - such as the Canon EF 22-55mm - which has a wider field of view to account for the relative-to-35mm crop factor. Some of these lenses have survived and are now marketed towards use on "APS" digital SLRs for the same reason. In reference to digital cameras, APS may also mean active pixel sensor, a type of CMOS image sensor.

Adoption

The Advanced Photo System was an attempt at a major upgrade of photographic technology for amateurs, but was soon overtaken by the popularity of digital photography. Despite the added features, APS never really caught on with professional photographers because of the significantly smaller film area (58% of 135 film). Color slide film, popular with professional photographers, proved unpopular in APS format and was soon discontinued (although chromogenic black-and-white IX240 film continued to be produced). Color print film was normally available only in a limited selection of film speeds. These developments, combined with the fact that auto-loading 35mm cameras could be made almost as compact, as convenient, and as inexpensive as APS-format cameras, prevented APS from attaining greater popularity.

APS cameras found most of their success among the consumer point and shoot camera market, but this was too little too late: within five years of the format's launch, sales had dropped significantly. This was mainly due to the increasing quality and falling prices of digital cameras.

In January 2004, Kodak announced it was ceasing APS camera production.

Both Fuji and Kodak, the last two manufacturers of APS film, discontinued production in 2011.

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See also... some pop-culture references
I'm by no means authoritative on the subject of what constitutes a relevant link, but I don't think the inclusion of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni in 'See also' is altogether useful. To be honest, as good a film as it may be, The Conversation may also fall foul of pop-culture incongruity. Perhaps we need a 'List of films (or indeed visual novels) that explore paranoia' that can replace any such references. Does anyone with greater experience of the structure of Wikipedia have an opinion? --Macabre Deified (talk) 23:21, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, in the name of proactivity I'm going to go ahead and remove both links. Should that be unpopular, well, the solution is only an undo away.--Macabre Deified (talk) 23:31, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Lol, they added a phrase from catch-22... WTF!? That's awesome. However since I do believe it's true to the point it should not be removed.. Maybe not enter it in a way where it's quoting a movie? lol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.144.25.234 (talk) 18:37, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

There has been some vandalism
I'm not completely sure, but it seems like this wikipedia entry has undergone vandalism. Can someone confirm this? I'm new to wikipedia, I don't want to attempt to go in and fix it, nor do I know how to put up a message about vandalism. 71.213.74.184 09:37, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

You're just being paranoid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.87.57.192 (talk) 17:04, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

I am much too highly opinionated to touch the text, but I have some comments that a sober person might address ... first of all the distinguishing characteristic of "paranoia" is "denial and projection", in other words a person denies that he himself feels and acts in a certain way (fearful, aggressive, angry, frustrated, or even in certain classic cases, amorous) ... the process of accusal or projection is done in such a manner that sooner or later the object actually shows the behavior he has been accused of and this then results in the subject's vindictive "revenge" wherein he may hope to carry out his original feeling but without guilt or condemnation because it is viewed as an appropriate response. I find it highly fascinating and amusing that the new DSM-V has completely dropped any references to "paranoia". Since most US politicians and all US police demonstrate such symptoms, it would be somewhat unseemly to classify them as mentally ill .. -- John Tucker 1/9/2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:A:3280:290:C431:207:B42C:5066 (talk) 23:19, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Individual v. Mass Paranoia
This article deals with paranoia on the individual level. Should it also include a section on mass

I personally know many well educated Brits who (over/mis-)use the word paranoid, often to convey a feeling of general unfounded worry about something mundane, for example having left the oven on. Perhaps an explanation and/or a few examples of what paranoia is NOT would be helpful. The word has somewhat lost its precise meaning in everyday parlance. --Markhadman 22:16, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Is the Black Sabbath reference really necessary? Chadloder 07:35 Jan 24, 2003 (UTC)
 * yeah, imo the disambiguation is worth it (clem 19:43, 4 May 2005 (UTC))

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Removed the paragraph below from the page. It's really well written but is rather unsubstantiated and not particularly from a NPOV.

 These symptoms are often regarded as a way for the person to explain the perceived reality. As a paranoid person percieves a discrepancy between the world and themselves (or within themselves), they "explain" it by referring to several external conspiracies.

This seems to be a broad discription of a theory of delusion formation by Harvard Psychologist, Brendan Maher. Essentially that delusions are rationale reactions to sensory distortion or anomalous perceptions. However, it is not considered an adequate theory of delusion formation (for example, psychologist Philipa Garety has found several inferential reasoning biases in delusional patients). The reference to 'conspiracies' is redundant. As the article explains, paranoia does not necessarily require a delusional conspiracy.

When doing this, subtle non-detectable things and novel technology often takes the blame, so when the radio appeared, all paranoids started to refer to the radio as an object that exerted control over them as an explanation to their misalignment with the world.

This seems to be a description of one of the manifestations of paranoia, but is the exception rather than the rule, so is not really a good example to give in isolation, particulary it makes far too strong a general case. It is not the case that "when the radio appeared, all paranoids started to refer to the radio as an object that exerted control over them as an explanation to their misalignment with the world."

"Might it be that with enough enemies, it is impossible not to be clinically paranoid?" - rhetoric question in an encyclopedic article? (clem 19:42, 4 May 2005 (UTC))

Example
At Talk:Nerve agent you can find an interesting article written by someone who is arguably displaying symptoms of paranoia. Nixdorf 21:10, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Culture Bound Syndromes
Paranoia appears in Culture Bound Syndromes (CBS's). There is confusion as to what should be a CBS but if you limit your view to mental events that are described as sudden dissociative or psychotic mental breaks then paranoia appears regularly.

The page linked below suggests a cause of paranoia in all mental illness.

http://visionandpsychosis.net/Psychotic_Mental_Illness_Cause.htm

and

http://visionandpsychosis.net/Culture_Bound_Syndromes.htm

L K Tucker 18:08, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Paranoia is the outcome from visual Subliminal Distraction
Unattributed fear is observed in cases where victims left suicide notes, Mark Barton Day Trader Shooter, Atlanta 1999.

The difference in fear and paranoia is how the individual mind understands then applies its understanding of visual Subliminal Distraction.

This happens at a level in the mind below thought, reason, and consciousness.

This is too long for this talk section. It is developing theory.

L K Tucker 04:17, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Start by performing the psychology demonstration at:

http://VisionAndPsychosis.Net

maxim
From the article:

 * The maxim: Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you.

 * (I have also heard it expressed as: Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they're not after you.)

Shouldn't it be "Just because you aren't paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you"? Or do I misunderstand the phrase?

I believe it to mean that Even if you are paranoid, people can still be out to get you. Because normally when you're paranoid people would be like "Oh, your being silly. People are not out to get you." but it may be possible that people are actually after you.

Does anyone know the origin of this maxim/expression? Is there a specific source that is known to have stated it first?

 * I first heard the phrase "Just because you're paranoid, Don't mean they're not after you." in a nirvana song, not sure if its the actual origin tho. Playyacardzright

 * I fully understand the phrase as is. It's saying, just because you're paranoid (assuming you know you are), doesn't mean you don't have reason to be. TheJudge310 23:29, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, it came from the Nirvana song "territorial pissings"

 * “Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.” is attributed to Joseph Heller (author of Catch-22) Jfkinyon (talk) 01:08, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

 * Regarding the quote "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you," being from the 1961 book Catch-22 by author Joseph Heller, I looked through an e-book version of that book and did not find that sentence. However, I did find that it is a line said by Alan Arkin, playing Capt. John Yossarian in the 1970 film, Catch-22, which may mean that the film screenwriter, Buck Henry, authored the line. Juanaquena 7 June 2013 —Preceding undated comment added 00:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Google Books seems to suggest that the phrase was popular on posters by 1971.
 * My wife has this poster hanging on the refrigerator — it's a great poster — a little green man cowering in the corner and the caption is, "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you." (1971)
 * There's a poster on a rack in Union Station which says, 'Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you!'" (1976)
 * It doesn't appear any earlier than 1971 (at least not in Google's archives), so that would give weight to the idea that it comes from the film version of Catch-22 (if it's in there; I haven't seen it myself). Kraŭs (talk) 19:20, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Image request?
How? You can't show it by a picture. Remove tag. Skinnyweed 22:56, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes you can, a tin hat, a picture of a guy...squinting. -Uagehry456|TalkJordanhillVote 07:13, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Paranoia and parasitic infections.
Question the validity of this statement.

"Other common paranoid delusions include the belief that the person has an imaginary disease or parasitic infection (delusional parasitosis); that the person is on a special quest or has been chosen by God; that the person has had thoughts inserted or removed from conscious thought; or that the person's actions are being controlled by an external force."

My research, suggests that infections, including parasitic ones can result in symptoms of paranoia. The bodies reaction to a real threat of attack on the micro level.

Look up organic infections of paranoia.

Then there is the case of prescription drugs that cause this symptom...

Levaquin side effects

--Son of Maryann Rosso and Arthur Natale Squitti 03:52, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

This is one of the worst articles in wikipedia. Please copy someones copyrighted article if you have to.

The article referenced by this wikipedia section is about how a parasite may turn OFF an innate fear in rats. It does NOT suggest that parasites may contribute to paranoia, as claimed by the wikipedia article.

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Also, the statement mentioned at the top of this section was actually correct, but just badly worded. The bit about parasites was merely describing the fact that some people can have paranoid delusional beliefs that they are infested with parasites! aka Delusional Parasitosis or [Ekbom's Syndrome]. Buckethed (talk) 03:37, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

The introduction and definition of paranoia
No I think the definition here of paranoia is completely wrong. Paranoia is a systematic set of beliefs characterized by delusions of persecution or grandeur. What is coming up here is the drug culture definition of 'paranoia' or the street definition. I think it should be completely redone. The key word is delusion not anxiety.

raspor 23:59, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Agreed. Fear or anxiety is not a necessary component of paranoia. A person in a state of mania may have delusions of grandeur (believing himself or herself to be a living incarnation of a god); this would rightly be termed paranoia.--NeantHumain 02:54, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Hi there, What you describe is the Kraeplinian psychiatric definition of paranoia, and is only one part of how this term is used both clinically and non-clinically. If you have a look at some of the references (particularly the Freeman and Garety book, which has a good review of the literature) you'll notice that even in psychiatry, paranoia can refer to non-psychotic, non-delusional states and that anxiety is thought to be a key component even of clinical paranoia. - Vaughan 08:08, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Yes the definition is wrong. They are defining the slang word 'paranoid'. Another reason not to take wiki too seriously. Tickclock 22:04, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Drugs
Shouldn't there be a discussion of the drugs which are used to treat the illness? Aaron Bowen 18:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Paranoia is a symptom rather than a psychiatric disorder per se. Treatment would be specific to schizophrenia, psychotic features of a mood disorder, paranoia associated with brain damage or intoxication, etc.--NeantHumain 02:55, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I think the first 2 paragraphs are way off
First it says paranoia involves anxiety then it says it does not. Xavier cougat 17:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You're being paranoid. Shtove (talk) 02:29, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

question
Can excessive regurgitation cause paranoia?

What are the symptoms of paranoia?

Causes of paranoia
Here is the text: "The most recent scientific research suggests that parasites, in particular toxoplasma, which forms cysts in the brain, an area of the brain called the amygdala, a region linked to fear and anxiety in rats, may provide us with clues as to how specific parasites manipulate behavior and may cause mental disease, including signs of paranoia. "

This statement is not backed up by the study. This study simply does not provide an explanation for paranoia in humans. Absentis 20:09, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Equating paranoia with anxiety or excessive anxiety or phobias or whatever the article seems to be doing is incorrect. -- Mattisse 19:17, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Surely there must be studies that at least suggest potential causes. Perhaps someone can find some of them and add a section on that to the article?50.130.11.182 (talk) 06:53, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

You're non paranoid if they're really after you.
--RucasHost 16:44, 16 September 2007 (UTC) But they can still be after you when your paranoid. Just another threat you're not aware of. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.179.16.156 (talk) 06:47, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Sarah Williams Winchester?
Weren't the behaviors of Sarah Williams Winchester, the lady who constructed what is today Winchester Mistery House in San Jose CA, symptoms of paranoia? or symptoms of schizophrenia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.128.111.53 (talk) 05:00, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I think paranoid should redirect here
Instead of to paranoia (disambiguation). If no one replies to this (or replies saying this should be done), I'm going to change the redirect in about a week. That's all. I'm posting here because the talk page for paranoia (disambiguation) doesn't seem to be used much.

7h3 0N3 7h3 \/4Nl)4L5 Pl-l34R ( t  /  c ) 02:33, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

 * I agree. Do it.  Earlypsychosis (talk) 10:27, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * althought the terminology on the disambiguation page is odd Paranoia is a mental illness involving delusional fear for oneself Earlypsychosis (talk) 10:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

all done Earlypsychosis (talk) 08:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Different Viewpoints
The paranoia of walruses is very common. Getting to close cause too many stimuli in the walruses brain to be stimulated and in turn cause a seizure. Some people are careless and continue to stalk this great animal but we should just stop now. Save the walri!

This is more a disorder of thought form, rather than content, though? Buckethed (talk) 03:39, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Load of crap in this article
The History of paranoia is quite good and that is about it. Just about the only use of paranoia in psychiatry is paranoid schizophrenia and paranoid personality disorder but neither are even mentioned here. Delusional disorders may involve paranoia but the stuff here is not useful such as delusional parasitosis. --Penbat (talk) 21:14, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

 * I agreed. Removed the unverified section on paranoia vs phobia Earlypsychosis (talk) 08:51, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * it was me who put that section in. I had since removed the loads of crap i was referring to.I think it is non controversial and important but needs flagging for citation required. --Penbat (talk) 09:41, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * oh ! sorry about that. I couldnt make sense of it at all.  I cant think of any link between paranoid thinking and anxiety.  I'll sleep on it and think of any source that might come to mind.  Cheers Earlypsychosis (talk) 10:27, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Sterling Romo
I removed some nonsensical instances of "Sterling Romo" in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.200.139.83 (talk) 05:06, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Is there a treatment for this
Non drug related please and is effective — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.67.223.26 (talk) 18:08, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Add Catagory
Hey. Can someone make a catagory with ways of calming a paraniod person? Would be a geat help as some of my comrades get paranoid and i dont know how to calm them or help them. Would someone be willing to add the catagory? (Mudak568 (talk) 12:03, 3 January 2014 (UTC)) Mudak568 (talk) 12:03, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * First of all, I'm not sure this is that kind of site. Second, the answer to that seems pretty simple.  Just treat people with respect and empathy. Don't reject or dismiss their feelings, but try to understand them and be there for them...  Not just people who are paranoid, but all people.  The world could use more of this.50.130.11.182 (talk) 06:59, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Let the Schizophrenic explain paranoia
It seems you all are putting your opinions without believing that the schizophrenic has the authority on paranoia. Believing that life is without mystery and that no one is hampering with our lives is illogical and blind and suspicious. I would like to put examples of paranoia which would be hard to say is delusional because as a schizophrenic, I am an authority. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronald Arjune (talk • contribs) 00:00, 31 October 2015 (UTC). I think that paranoia is necessary to understand what unseen operations are going on in society that is directly influencing society. With this conviction I try to apply my paranoia to develop some sense of explanation to uncover the unknown. For instance I believe you have to treat everyone with humility because they are possessed by aliens who are trying to resolve the same problem that I am trying to grasp. Here is a paranoid example that I have reasoned: They (truth) are using silence of the flesh with movement to program and control the manmade material world with physical contact. Another example is this: During my anxiety attack they are avoiding a difference of feeling that would manifest evidence as they communicate so the spirit (IT) will remain unknown and unseen and illusive to my mind since they can monitor my mind and want to remain undetected. They are removing complementary associations of mind and physical so we will not be able to make sense of what they are doing in this world since we will not be able to apply our understanding with a lack of association. A mirror image such as using a mirror to see ourselves may be the way they are hidden as with its reflection as an inverse association. Maybe because intelligence does not show the emotion is why we cannot understand. Ronald Arjune 19:37, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Paranoid social cognition
This article deals mostly with paranoia itself, not paranoid social cognition. Λeternus (talk) 09:40, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Agree and ✅ Klbrain (talk) 05:23, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

About the blame
In the opening paragraph it reads "Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself (e.g. "Everyone is out to get me"). Paranoia is distinct from phobias, which also involve irrational fear, but usually no blame."

Could you please specify if the patients blame themselves, other people or even other objects?

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by George Rodney Maruri Game (talk • contribs) 20:35, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

 * There is a sense of blame but as to the source to blame, I cannot classify it. It is probable that the mentally ill cannot distinguish a difference of animate and inanimate feeling from between the living and the non-living and that may be why an obvious blame cannot be fathomed because a certain identification is necessary for blame. There is an intermediate connection of blame but not a sure 100% blame directed on themselves, people, or other objects that is connected to a sense of persecution. This harm to the psyche is possibly due to a supernatural source such as a Devil or a God or Lucifer and there is no verification to this in reality. I guess you can cite me as a reference because I am a paranoid schizophrenic and you may want to add some of this data to the article page because I am not confident to do it myself. Ronald Arjune 19:43, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

About 'Mechanisms'
The 'Mechanisms' part is badly written, filled with unverifiable claims and ambiguous correlation. Several studies are sourced, yet no actual mechanisms are described. The 'Motivational Factors' is by far the worst, with the first part being completely made up of 'stand-up theorycraft', unrelated to the subject, and 'Motivational Factors' even. The last two statements seem to be used as justifications for the first part, but they're simply unrelated.

Will be removing the 'Mechanisms' section. --Internet.tuig (talk) 15:14, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Wang

Wang Laboratories
The reason I listed Wang Laboratories here is because people are likely to look for the company or its products by searching for Wang. I don't feel strongly about it either way. Chadloder 07:47 Jan 24, 2003 (UTC)

 * I'm just being a wag, don't mind me. It's late and I'm loopy but not tired.  Koyaanis Qatsi —Preceding undated comment added 07:49, January 24, 2003 (UTC)
 * Am I the only one who thinks describing Wang as a 'seminal' computer company is rather risque, given the alternative meaning for the word? Masterdog —Preceding undated comment added 12:56, January 11, 2007 (UTC)
 * No, you're not the only one. But I like it, let's keep it.  Wikipedia should have at least a small sense of humor! JDS2005 01:24, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

NPOV - Penny Arcade causing Popularity
Since it was a year 2000 PA comic, I doubt it was very popular. PA was not terribly popular till 2002 or so I'd think. I could be wrong and the article isn't POV at all. --TIB (talk) 04:37, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)

 * Since the Penny Arcade mention has been removed, and I don't see any other evidence of POV, I'll just take out the POV statement. P. Riis 00:41, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Oh, and if I have removed the statement by mistake, please just put it back. P. Riis 00:48, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I'm good. --TIB (talk) 06:13, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)

Slang Wang Removal
Why was the slang for the word Wang removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.35.245.130 (talk) 06:38, November 18, 2004 (UTC)
 * The correct spelling of the word is "whang" (although this isn't commonly known).GreatGatsby 16:48, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
 * What? I've never heard of this.  Citation needed. 65.78.144.185 (talk) 05:07, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * He was just pulling your whang. It's w-a-n-g, hence the need for so many 王s to write their name "Wong". — LlywelynII  18:15, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Slang
Is there any agreement on whether or not to remove references like "Wang, the male organ of copulation"?

It seems inappropriate, in its current form. But some mention might be made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomasso (talk • contribs) 05:26, February 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * As I state in the above section, wang is not the correct spelling of the word, just the more commonly used version. Whang is the correct spelling, which oddly enough does not have a page (or any reference that I know of on Wikipedia). GreatGatsby 16:48, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Source, please. -- Visviva 02:08, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The dictionary. Under the defition for "wang" you find nothing pertaining to the penis.  However, under "whang" you will find http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=whang (third entry).  Oddly enough, wang and whang have the same definition (non-vulgar, that is). GreatGatsby 03:17, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
 * How can a slang word have a "correct spelling"? Nik42 06:20, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't understand; why shouldn't it? Slang is part of the language.  The slang term for a two-for-one offer, for example, is "twofer"; if you spelt it "toofer" or "tufa" you'd be wrong. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 14:54, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
 * But "twofer" is the common spelling. I've never in my life seen the spelling "Whang".  It's completely nonsense to say that the common spelling of a slang term is "incorrect".  Slang is an informal part of language, while prescriptive rules of spelling are a part of formal language.  What I mean is that, logically, the common spelling of a slang term must be considered the correct spelling Nik42 23:54, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Not so; to take another example, "boloks" would be incorrect even if (as might be the case for all I know) that's how most people spell it on toilet walls. Informal language isn't outside the rules; it's outside formal usage.

 * It's also worth pointing out that, as there's no entry, there's not much point including it on a disambiguation page. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 11:06, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * If that were the common spelling, then it would be the correct spelling! How can someone just decree the correct spelling of a slang term?  It makes no sense to apply prescriptivism to slang.  At any rate, I agree that it should be removed Nik42 06:34, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * You seem to misunderstand the nature of slang. Slang isn't outside language — it's used in all linguistic contexts (including literature and journalism), it appears in dictionaries, and it is part of exactly the same process of spelling as any other part of language.  The only difference is that it is used only in certain contexts, and is viewed with contempt by certain users. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 17:46, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I still say it's silly to say the common spelling of a slang word is wrong, but whatever. This is a silly thing to be debating Nik42 08:34, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * A slang spelling can most certainly be wrong. The word is whang, just because a bunch of morons decided to misspell it doesn't make that the new spelling.  Until you look in the dictionary and find "wang" as slang for "penis" my assessment is correct. GreatGatsby 03:43, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * But the dictionary would change it based upon common usage, surely? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.215.37.2 (talk) 18:06, February 15, 2006 (UTC)

 * Dictionary.com now lists "penis" as the first definition of "wang": http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/wang JDS2005 01:27, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

 * If people are likely to look for the slang for penis under "wang", it should be included even if it says "a common misspelling of "whang" or something similar. MorkaisChosen 15:24, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Sure, slang spellings can be wrong. "Whang" is a good example. It's "wang". 18:25, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Wang it
I'm I brit and I've never heard of wang being used to mean throw, if it's ever used to mean anything other than penis it's used to mean something like a collision i.e "He wanged my car." So I added that - Guest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.66.162 (talk) 07:21, November 26, 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm also a Brit and I frequently use "wang" in the sense "to throw". It's probably a regional variation- I live in Yorkshire, maybe it doesn't get used wherever you live. MorkaisChosen 15:24, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree (I'm also British), in the context of sentences like "Wang that potato peeler over 'ere?" or the common dancehall mantra "Wang your body". I was going to say that I'd never seen it spelt as "whang", but then it occurred to me that I hadn't ever really seen it spelt at all. Maybe that is where Nik42's point demands some sympathy, but at the end of the day slang wurds is still wurds, its true. However, if "boloks" was a common mis-spelling of "bollocks", and there was an article Boloks, a mention of the common mis-spelling would be included. It is good policy to help our readers by guiding them to where we think they may be looking, indeed that is exactly what disambiguation pages are for. Since "wang" is not exactly an implausible mis-spelling of "whang", i think we should include a brief mention, at the bottom of the list.. Jdcooper (talk) 19:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Why is this here?
"Featured as the most beautiful part of the human body, the wang is situated between the legs of all males. The wang is a cause of more trouble than it does good. Never the less, every male is glad to have been endowed with his own personal wang. Each one being unique with its own individual quirks." That made me go wtf? I think it violates NPOV, if nothing else. Soo, I removed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.18.126.70 (talk) 23:42, July 8, 2006 (UTC)
 * That, my friend, is vandalism in a nutshell. Good job removing it. RememberMe? 19:57, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You removed the wang? That's not right! JDS2005 01:24, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Wang Jinrei
Why the hell is he here? He's not even real.

I'm gonna remove this: "Wang Jinrei, a character from Tekken."

Big Wang (talk) 22:28, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

 * I disagree on that one. There are plenty of pages for video game, cartoon, etc characters. But I'll leave it up to the admins to decide. I just lost teh game (talk) 11:26, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

"huge vieny cock"
I am removing ""Wang" may refer to: a huge vieny cock" for obvious reasons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.216.221.44 (talk) 16:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

title: Talk:Wang