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Wikipedia talk:Accountability

This is news to me
This is news to me.... ... when did this happen? -65.96.160.252

This is a fundamental component
the operative word is informal policy' -- in some ways this seems to contradict wikipedia openness. in fact it doesnt, because its not really enforcable, though it describes a commonly felt difference in sentiments towards people with 'faces' and those without.

This is a fundamental component in the Corporate accounting scandals for example. This is why defernce of 'credibility' goes to Sean Penn, rather than to "Harvey Dinklestien" or some other unknown, operator.

Sunshine is the best disinfectant. - Sv

Not a guideline?
Since there doesn't appear to actually have been any discussion or consensus-forming on this subject, I've removed the "guideline" tag and replaced it with "proposal". This page really reflects a few people's opinion -- what some people like -- rather than the sort of generally agreed-upon standards that we call guidelines. --FOo 21:47, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Right, good call Fubar. Still, it seems pretty unexceptionable to me. If anyone wants to generate some attention to it, it would probably be accepted. Herostratus 03:38, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I would like this proposal escalated, though I think the project page needs a little work to make it more proposal-ish. I'll see what I can do. Agne27 02:45, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

 * It's clear that the first article wasn't originally written as a proposal but more as an essay of sort for an informal policy. It certainly needs more work to fashion it into a proposal, not the least is the need to make it a uniformed third personal voice throughout.Agne27 03:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Democracy
Wikipedia wasn't a democracy last time i checked. The words dialogue and cooperation come to mind though.. --Nnp 23:32, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

How could you remove anonymous changes?
If you were to construct a view of an article by excluding random sections of its history, the result would almost certainly have unreadable noise. Remember, the non-anonymous edits are often based upon anonymous ones. You can only revert along a linear progression lest you almost certainly end up with garbage. --Apantomimehorse 06:16, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

How this could be implemented
One idea would be to put anonymous edits on hold. The next named editor to come to the article could either accept or reject each change. This would allow typos to be found (which takes time) and fixed (quickly), but would also prevent IP vandals from adding rubbish. Stephen B Streater 18:45, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

no way
This essay is just a rewording of the unwiki "No-anons" proposals on Meta. "You can edit this page right now" is a fundamental Wikipedia idea.

 * Indeed. Proposals like these, if taken to their logical conclusion, would set such a high bar to entry that most "good faith" new users would be deterred from editing at all.

 * Some people seem determined to turn Wikipedia into the new Nupedia (which had 24 articles to its name when it finally creaked into oblivion, its obvious lack of prolificacy being the prime reason Wikipedia was created in the first place). 217.155.20.163 00:37, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

 * OK. I see, though I don't know Nupedia at all. I'd like to change the current Accountability drastically. In my opinion, all anonymous editors should do is to write edits summaries, and to explain about their edits in talk pages when they are asked to do so. They can make public their opinions whenever they want, like you. Nobody ask you(them) to login. OK? -- JungianPPP 15:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I've done it. I've revised Accountability drastically. This! :-) -- JungianPPP 10:58, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Violates foundation issues
How did this get marked policy? Seems to violate Foundation issues --Kim Bruning 21:56, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Marked as rejected. I do like the part where people must explain every edit. That part is good. --Kim Bruning 23:44, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Seconded.  > R a d i a n t <  09:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

The paragraph below written by JungianPPP 16:19, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * This is a difficult claim for me to sustain, unfortunately. However, never mind, because I have already revised Accountability considerably. I have just to ask you, the two people, some formal questions.
 * How did this get marked policy? I marked. And almost all editors seem to have already marked the importance and necessity of Accountability. In this Wikipedia encyclopedia project, the importance and necessity of accountability never seem to be rejected. Rather, accountability seems to be treated as common sense by almost all log-in editors. In fact, almost official policies don't hold water without many editors' performing accountability.
 * Ignoring this fact, why do you think this get rejected as a official policy?
 * The trouble is that anyone had not proposed that this Accountability should be Wikipedia's official policy, because it has been considered as if it were already Wikipedia's official policy. How, when and which proposal has been rejected by the community?
 * Even when I read Foundation issues, I don't know what you are talking about, unfortunately. Please teach me. This is also a difficult claim for me to sustain.
 * Actually, who violates Foundation issues?
 * What and why violates Foundation issues?
 * Even in Foundation issues, they performed their accountability.
 * In addition, according to Foundation issues, "Ability of anyone to edit articles without registering" is "essentially beyond debate."
 * Therefore, there is no question that a Wikipedia's "official policy" recommend IP address editors to login and to perform their accountability and responsibility more equally and more conveniently.
 * This is also quite natural, if you don't want to thoughtlessly restrict IP address editors' abilities to edit articles.
 * Moreover, even after having Wikipedia's account, they can easily keep their anonymousness, unless they register their real full name exactly.
 * Sincere accountability is the foundation of democracy and any sound society, and the common sense in the advanced countries all over the world. Similarly, Accountability is one of the most important foundation of community, Consensus and all other policies and guidelines. You should be ashamed of having disturbed decent ordinary people's efforts which seem to elevate Accountability to Wikipedia's official policy. As long as all policies from Consensus to Ignore all rules are Wikipedia's official policies, Accountability should be automatically Wikipedia's official policy. This means, Accountability has already winned Consensus, regardless of its contents. If you have claims about its contents, please improve it, maintaining its quality. As far as Ignore all rules is the one of official five pillars of Wikipedia encyclopedia project, if Accountability is not Wikipedia's official policy, nobody need discuss on any talk ( discussion ) pages, like this.
 * The whole Wikipedia project, even Jimbo Wales, one of the co-founder of Wikimedia foundation projects, has apparently depended on and managed due to the accountability.
 * Moreover, there are also important policies and guidelines such as Don't be a dick, Ignore all rules, Use common sense, Be bold in updating pages.
 * Hence, there is obviously no problem in the eyes of the law, if anyone will elevate Accountability to Wikipedia's official policy.
 * Please don't reject Accountability as a Wikipedia's official policy. Instead, please make it an appropriate official policy by yourself, because it's already very very clear that accountability is the basis of Wikipedia's all guidelines and official policies. Frankly speaking, Accountability is the foundation of the whole Wikipedia encyclopedia project.
 * I have already revised Accountability drastically as it looks like an official policy.
 * Please teach me how Wikipedia's guideline should come to Wikipedia's official policy.
 * Please teach me how Wikipedia's official policy should be rejected as an official policy and come to Wikipedia's guideline.
 * Note that, in my view, I haven't yet officially propose that Accountability should come to Wikipedia's official policy, because I think Accountability should have been already one of the most important Wikipedia's official policies and I don't know how to elevate it to one of them. In other words, it is only that I have simply obeyed Ignore all rules, Use common sense, Accountability, WP:BOLD, WP:READERS, etc.

-- JungianPPP 16:19, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Tagged as essay
This page in its current form is almost entirely the work of a single user, who has tagged it first as and then  without consensus to do so. Other users who have commented on the page disagreed strongly with it, wondered how it got to that state, and tagged it as. I think is the best option here, as like essays it was written by and reflects the opinions of a single user. Please bear in mind that calling a page you wrote yourself "the most important new policy" does not make it one, and that a consensus to create a new policy, resulting from discussion with a wide range of users is needed for a proposal to be implemented – Gurch 16:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Gurch on this one. I see none of the wide consensus that is required to consider this any more than an essay. It's simply too flimsy to be called such. --Agamemnon2 17:32, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Who, why, when disagreed strongly with it( Accountability ), wondered how it got to that state? No one did. To achieve accountability is one of common sense in advanced countries. Where do you live? I think or  is the best option here, as like policies it was approved by and reflects the common sense of many users. In addition, I think, anybody wouldn't like to discuss with idiot guys who reject Accountability as an official policy (or an guidline) of Wikipedia. In fact, it occurs not only here but anywhrere in Wikipedia. -- PBeaver 09:35, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Common sense is not a reason to tag a page as policy. A lot of people have to also agree with you that it's common sense. There has to be much more discussion than this. There needs to be the clear consensus of a lot of editors shown in this talk page; and as guideline talk pages go, this one is extremely thin. Equazcion (Talk • Contribs) 21:01, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

 * What are you talking about? And I didn't tag a page as policy. See next section . -- PBeaver 13:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

 * This page appears to run counter to, rather than follow, what most people consider common sense. It was previously considered a "rejected proposal", it certainly does not follow that it's now policy.  > R a d i a n t <  12:41, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Even the "rejected" version was rejected without any effort, without proper reasons and without clear consensus of a lot of editors. And the current version has been entirely revised, following what most people consider common sense. If what  > R a d i a n t <  said is true, a lot of editors have already changed it appropriately. See next section . -- PBeaver 13:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That is incorrect. A proposal does not become rejected by a "consensus to reject", but by the "lack of a consensus to support". See WP:POL for details. Furthermore, there have been no substantial changes to this page since June.  > R a d i a n t <  14:01, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Tagged as one of guidelines again
I put on the editing page of Accountability, not , because Accountability in Wikipedia is apparently very fundamental common sense and because it is too fundamental to add and explain.

However, as far as there are talk pages in Wikipedia, it is clear that they are all based on the assumption that Accountability should be achieved in Wikipedia. And it is very clear that any Wikipedians, even Jimbo Wales, can't reject this Wikipedia Accountability System. I don't know who and how many editors have created such a rational Wikipedia Accountability System, but it is very very obvious that this Wikipedia Accountability System has been already approved by an overwhelming majority.

Apparently this means that the status of Accountability should be or more than. About the necessity to achieve accountability, almost all editors in advanced coutries, probably including you, need not be taught by Wikipedia. Therefore, if you want to remove template from "extremely thin" Accountability, you should demonstrate the proper reasons to add a large quantity of contents to it and "get the clear consensus of a lot of editors shown in this talk page". Of course, you should show the contents to add to it in this talk page before appealing.

At any rate, do you live in one of mature democratic countries? I can't help wondering. If you can't realize the absolute necessity to achieve accountability, such an inhumane problem is just your own problem, not Wikipedia's one.

I am satisfied with "extremely thin" guideline as well as other editors who have passed by hurriedly without editing Accountability and without clicking this "talk" page, because I think almost all editors in advanced countries have no necessity to be explained about Accountability. Exactly speaking, almost all editors seems to be satisfied with the fact that there is a guideline( a policy ) titled "Accountability" as an important basis of other policies and guidelines of Wikipedia.

 * Anyway, the most important thing about Accountability is that it is very useful to crack down violent and/or dictatorial editors who seem to ignore or not know the necessity to achieve their own accountability.

 * Therefore, the second most important thing about it is that only such rude people can't support Accountability as neither one of guidelines of Wikipedia nor one of policies of it. Why should we "get the clear consensus of a lot of such incivil editors shown in this talk page"? We Needn't Even Discuss It.

 * Therefore, the third important thing is how many admins have been achieving their own accountability properly, because all general editors have to achieve their own accontability anywhere in WikiMedia Projects. So, the more admins haven't achieve their own accountability properly, the less possibility there would be for Accountability to become a policy of Wikipedia.

As mentioned above, it is clear why, what kind of people remove ( or  ) template violently without any proper consensus and without any effort to brush it up.

Though they insist "there needs to be the clear consensus of a lot of editors," evidently there have been already the clear consensus of a lot of editors about the necessity to achieve accountability in edit summaries and talk pages of Wikipedia. -- PBeaver 13:17, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Your saying so doesn't make it so. Please demonstrate this "already clear consensus" rather than alluding to it?  > R a d i a n t <  13:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Who, where, why, how many Wikipedians have appealed to eliminate all edit summaries and all talk pages from all WikiMedia projects? -- PBeaver 14:01, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It does not follow from the fact that people use edit summaries that this page is therefore policy.  > R a d i a n t <  14:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

 * What are you talking about? Are you all right? I have never put template.

 * And I have never said that "Accountability" has been already officially approved as one of official policies. Therefore, I have requested a request for comment on Wikipedia policy or guidelines.

 * It is very stange that those like you all forget Wikipedia's free editing policy. If you have any slightest objection to the current WP:ACAB, all you have to do is to get consensus for the changes you want to make, not to violently remove template without proper reason and clear consensus and not to make any hasty conclusions in order to replace the Template:Proposed ( below )

 * with the Template:Rejected ( below ).

 * Why, Who, Where, When, How many decent Wikipedians rejected the proposal with proper reasons? Please explain them. Please achieve your own accountability.

 * Why can you say, "This proposal has been rejected by the community"? Please explain it. Please achieve your own accountability.

 * You haven't answered yet. Who, where, why, how many Wikipedians have appealed to eliminate all edit summaries and all talk pages from all WikiMedia projects?

 * How about you? Have you appealed to eliminate all edit summaries and all talk pages from all WikiMedia projects? If not, why have you never tried to brush up WP:ACAB so that it can be one of policies of Wikipedia?

 * Clearly, those who make a nonsense claim not to have WP:ACAB established as one of guidelines and policies, and forget Wikipedia's free-editing policy, have no license to oppose to  and reject , because WP:ACAB seems to be created to crack down such arrogant, unreasonable and uncivil editors.

 * This version are considerably different from the old version. Obviously, there are clear evidences of WP:ACAB having changed since then. Radiant! seems to have lied again and again. So, I can't agree with Radiant!.

 * And the most terrible mistake those like Radiant! made is that both versions above should not be violently "rejected" without any efforts and proper reasons. If someone wants to reject WP:ACAB as one of guideline and policies, he himself ( or she herself ) has only to make it a necessary and sufficient guideline ( policy ). If you can't or haven't tried to do, you can't have any license to lower the status of WP:ACAB, because it is very clear that such guys only want to do anything as they like without achieving accountability properly, and that WP:ACAB exists in order to rule such unreasonable editors.

 * When murderers and potential murderers reject the law that is likely to rule them, can you think the laws have been rejected appropriately by the society?

 * Likewise, when the persons, who haven't achieved accountability properly, reject WP:ACAB that is likely to rule them, can you think WP:ACAB has been rejected appropriately by the community? -- PBeaver 20:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

What kind of status WP:ACAB should have?
I think, Accountability has been automatically one of the most important official policy since May 21, 2007. -- JungianPPP 10:48, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Reaction

 * Great! Support! (i myself proposed.) :-) -- JungianPPP 10:48, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ehm, official policy? mike4ty4 16:38, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Support as an official policy. If Accountability is not an official policy of Wikipedia, all talk pages of Wikipedia are nonsense, and all articles become more doubtful. -- PBeaver 09:57, 4 September 2007 (UTC), 13:23, 4 September 2007 (UTC), 14:00, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Policies are not made by voting on them. What happened on May 21st, anyway?  > R a d i a n t <  14:25, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Where, when, who requested you to vote? -- PBeaver 16:27, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Radiant: it appears to be a few days after JungianPPP got involved in the proposal, and the second time they re-tagged it as policy. That's the only relevance to the date I can find, connected to this project page. SamBC(talk) 00:26, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, and it's when this motion (RFC) was proposed. SamBC(talk) 00:28, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * With Radiant. We don't vote on guidelines/policies. A consensus needs to be shown here, and there is none. See the responses to your comment at village pump also. Equazcion (Talk • Contribs) 14:48, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Where, when, who requested you to vote? -- PBeaver 16:27, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Even with my rewrite attempting to improve the English, this doesn't seem to be terribly clear. If it means what I think it means, it definitely seems to be more of an essay discussing the almost subconscious aspect of "accountability" underlying many wikipedia policies and guidelines. SamBC(talk) 00:27, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Your sentence itself doesn't seem to be terribly clear. And nobody can know which sentence you think doesn't seem to be terribly clear. First of all, please show us all such a sentence in a new section rather than making a series of complaints here. -- PBeaver 13:22, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Round 3
There must be some miscommunication here. You can't tag a page as a guideline unless a consensus is shown on this talk page. So far there's more objection to this page being a guideline than there is support for it, which is what led to it being rejected. I understand that you (PBeaver) feel it's common sense, but that's not enough. Other people need to support this as a guideline, and so far they don't. Equazcion (Talk • Contribs) 20:28, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

 * This section is coming from, and due to the regulation of WP:RFC : the section title should be neutral. So, I had to change the section title you named for your vandalistic propaganda. Please be neutral. As I told before, Please don't ignore all general decent editors who needn't be demonstrated about Accountability by WP:ACAB.

 * As I explained before, you seems to be one of arrogant, selfish and dictatorial vandalists. In fact, YOU haven't tried to realize even the meaning of the fact that I put and  on WP:ACAB.

 * As I explained later, YOU haven't tried to realize even the meaning of the texts of and.

 * I have already shown what kind of consensus has been made in Wikipedia on this talk page and Village pump (proposals) again and again. If you can't understand it, it's just your own problem.

 * And if someone want to reject WP:ACAB, all he ( or she ) has to do is to amend WP:ACAB by himself ( herself ), neither to remove template nor to replace  with  without any proper reasons and clear consensus.

 * Please read well or decipher well, and please catch the meaning of texts of Template:Guideline, Template:Proposed and Template:Rejected at least. See below.

 * As far as the template says, "This proposal has been rejected by the community."
 * if there is a person who can't realize that anybody can't put on WP:ACAB for a while ( more than one month, because very few editors have visited here ), it is extremely clear that such a person has to be regarded as a crazy vandalist, no matter what he (she) says. I began to resolve this  problem.

 * Likewise, if there is a person who can't realize the meaning of : "The following is a proposed'' Wikipedia.

The proposal may still be in development, under discussion, or in the process of gathering consensus for adoption (which is not determined by counting votes).''"
 * it is extremely clear that such a person has to be regarded as a crazy vandalist, no matter what he (she) says.

 * Apparently, WP:ACAB has been poorly written. Evidently, I myself and all of you can't have added anything meaningful to WP:ACAB for a few months. To begin with, WE except vandalists need not be given a detailed description about the necessity of achieving accountability in Wikipedia by WP:ACAB. Therefore, I have to think, WP:ACAB requests only that you achieve accountability in the summary boxes and talk pages concered. I don't know what should be newly added to WP:ACAB. Personally, I just want to shave WP:ACAB. However, some guys insisted WP:ACAB needs much more work, because it is poorly written. So, even if WP:ACAB should lose weight in my opinion, I have to think it's already very reasonable, because even I myself needn't read it. So, anybody except vandalists can say in a confident manner, "'it is generally accepted among editors and is considered a standard that all users should follow.

However, it is not set in stone and should be treated with common sense and the occasional exception.

When editing this page, please ensure that your revision reflects consensus. When in doubt, discuss first on this page's talk page.'"
 * What's problem with the descriptions above? You can even revise it, even when your revision is doubtful. Apparently, no problem for general decent editors. Therefore, if there is a person who can't realize the meaning and validity of the texts of the template, it is extremely clear that such a person has to be regarded as a crazy vandalist, no matter what he (she) says.

 * Based on such logics and facts above, everybody except vandalists can't feel the necessity to remove the template from WP:ACAB without any proper reasons and clear consensus, because everyone is assured to change WP:ACAB, keeping it as a.

 * Likewise, everybody except vandalists can't feel the necessity to replace the template with the  template, ignoring almost all general editors' facts and the meaning of texts of templates. Therefore, if there is a person who can't realize the meaning and validity of the texts of Template:Proposed and the injustice of the texts of Template:Rejected, it is extremely clear that such a person has to be regarded as a crazy vandalist, no matter what he (she) says.

 * What's problem? If you find any problems in WP:ACAB, it is very clear that you except vandalist can't and needn't change the status of WP:ACAB and that you except vandalists could easily resolve them by yourself. Do It Yourself. Don't complain to me. I'm not even an admin. I'm not even one of major authors. As far as you rejected WP:ACAB even as a, You could have already done it Yourself.

 * I just realize that WP:ACAB should be brushed up and changed into one of the official policies of Wikipedia especially by admins, as long as there are edit summary boxes, talk pages, policies and guidelines in WikiMedia Projects.

 * Don't Act Spoiled. '''The most serious problem that you should resolve rapidly is to destroy and improve the situation that Accountability has been rejected for a long time in spite of the very very clear Wikipedia Accountability System.

 * It's also very obvious that such a stupid contradiction can be created only by many arrogant, phlegmatic and dictatorial editors.'''

 * Do you understand what I'm saying? YOU, All Vandalists. Please don't make a series of complaints only to lower the status of WP:ACAB with terrible injustice to all general decent editors who needn't visit WP:ACAB.

 * For all general decent editors who needn't visit WP:ACAB, it is very clear that WP:ACAB is a guideline or someting more than a guideline, which title has been absolutely approved with full consensus by them. It also seems to be one of common sense. -- PBeaver 05:16, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

PBeaver, would I be right in thinking that English is not your first language? I mean no insult by this; it's great that the English-language wikipedia has users and contributors who aren't native speakers. However, I think that it might be impeding discussion at this point - it's difficult to understand what you're saying a lot of the time, and some things are coming across as somewhat nasty. On the latter point, your apparent difficulties with English lead me to assume good faith, and assume for now that this was not your intention. Similarly your points referring to this page via different links and shortcuts in what looks like circular reasoning.

I'm not sure how this can be helped, although I'm happy to talk to you off page to help you present your points in clearer English. My main reason for mentioning this was to ensure that you are aware of this aspect of difficulty in these discussions. SamBC(talk) 09:51, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup
First, I want to point out that I don't agree with this proposal (or whatever you want to call it). Actually, I'm not sure. I might do. I'm not sure I understand what it says.

Despite this, I've tried to clear up the English and make it more correct, conventional, and readable. I hope that I've maintained the meaning to match the intent of the original contributor(s). I feel that this is necessary in order to give the proposal a fair hearing, rather than dismissing it as being badly written.

That said, it's still not very well written. I removed a few sentences or points that didn't appear to actually say anything, and I may have missed the odd bit of strained English. It still doesn't make a great deal of sense, but I think it's somewhat less opaque now. SamBC(talk) 00:22, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Question
PBeaver, I think it may help if you tell us, concretely, what you're trying to achieve here. If I understand you correctly, you want editors to be accountable for their actions. If that is the case, please realize that they already are accountable - first to each other, second to those with the authority to block them, and third to the ArbCom. This is already outlined in several other policy pages. If I understand the situation correctly, you believe people won't be accountable unless we have a specific accountability polciy, whereas others believe that said policy is redundant to what we already have. Is that broadly correct?  > R a d i a n t <  06:42, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

 * You might want to stick with language that's a bit more simplified, Radiant. Our friend probably won't know what "ArbCom" or even "redundant" means. No offense intended. Equazcion (Talk • Contribs) 12:10, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Nominated for deletion
I've nominated this page for deletion. All are invited to comment at this page's deletion discussion.Equazcion (Talk • Contribs) 14:04, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

 * From the beginning I said, "Please brush up Accountability and make it one of fundamental official policies of Wikipedia." Why can you have been ignoring me like a crazy vandalist?

 * And why can you have been ignoring the meaning of the texts of Template:Guidelines, Template:Proposed and Template:Rejected ( below ) like one of that dictatorial vandalists?

 * In case of WP:ACAB, how many months do you think it takes before the community will make necessary and sufficient amendment and consensus?

 * Please don't forget that almost all editors needn't read Accountability. -- PBeaver 19:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

My Contents For YOU GUYS/GALS
-- PBeaver 19:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 *
 *
 * Village pump (proposals)
 * Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Do you know Wikipedia:Accountability?#Round 2
 *
 * ( Be Considered )
 * ( Important Information Only For Decent Editors )
 * ( There Is A Consensus That New Better Revision Should Come As Policy )
 * ( Must Go Together )
 * ( Recognize The Fact )
 * ( Do It Yourself )
 * ( YOU Yourself Demonstrate A Consensus About Its Being Policy )
 * ( A Mass Of Contradiction )

Round 4
( Be Considered )

I have to make some sections because some guys still haven't realized my simple intention. My intention is not to make Vandals disgrace "the symbol of Wikipedia Accountability System", this is, Accountability. Of course, I'm not a native speaker, as you know, and I can't realize why NONE of English native speakers can establish it even as a guideline. Japanese Wikipedians have already established ja:Wikipedia:Accountability.

 * GUYS like YOU ( who appear to be Vandals or potential Vandals, unfortunately ) apparently have ignored ( or haven't learned ) the most important core meaning of policy, guideline, consider, etc. If not, why can't you understand the meaning of "it is considered a guideline"? Or, why haven't you tried to understand the meaning of "it is considered a guideline" on the position of one of general decent editors?

 * Of course, "it is considered" is neither "it is approved by all" nor "it is determined by votes" nor "it is licenced by Radiant!" nor "it is authorized even by Vandals". Do you understand what I'm saying?

 *  As far as a lot of decent editors except Vandals have practiced Accountability without any complaints and without editing WP:ACAB, WE except Vandals have to admit, "it is considered a guideline or something more than a guideline."

 * Therefore, the guideline should be put on Accountability.

 * Apparently there is silent consensus of many millions on this issue. I explained it again and again. But YOU ( who have to be considered Vandals and potential Vandals ) haven't learned ( or have continued to ignore ) the core meaning of each word. -- PBeaver 19:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Do not call other editors vandals. This is an extremely derogatory term and can be considered a personal attack. People can be considered vandals if and only if their behaviour meets the definition of Vandalism. Hut 8.5 19:44, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

 * PBeaver, I'm not sure if the difficulty here is with the English language, or with the English language Wikipedia. "XXX is considered a guideline" is generally understood to mean "considered by the community". A point made by one or more editors but not adopted by the community is an essay. This is the way the terms are used here. SamBC(talk) 23:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Round 5
( Important Information Only For Decent Editors )
 * Please try to understand the meaning of the texts of guideline and proposed correctly, on the position of one of general readers. If you do it, you except Vandals would understand that anyone can't replace guideline with proposed, because everybody except Vandals can easily understand WP:ACAB can be brushed up without changing its status only by the announcement of guideline in spite of that of proposed. Read well below.
 * The anouncement of proposed ( above ) lacks credibility, recognition and support for the fact that anybody still can easily amend it with common sense in spite of the proposal. Only guideline can give us the important information below :
 * " it is not set in stone and should be treated with common sense and the occasional exception. When editing this page, please ensure that your revision reflects consensus. When in doubt, discuss first on this page's talk page. "

 * Therefore, the guideline should be placed on Accountability. -- PBeaver 19:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * PBeaver, I don't think you understand the meaning of these tags. This probably isn't your fault - you don't sound like a native English speaker to me. I will try and explain it to you.

 * Guidelines are pages which the Wikipedia community supports and which may have some exceptions. The Wikipedia community expresses its support through discussions on the talk page. If, and only if, the discussions on the talk page indicate the Wikipedia community supports the page, is it tagged with.

 * If someone wants to make a page - like this one - into a guideline, it is tagged with . The template says that it is proposed that this page becomes a guideline. The Wikipedia community can then discuss on the talk page whether or not the page should be tagged with.

 * Note that the two tags are not on the same page at the same time. This make sense. One says that it is a guideline, the other says that it isn't. Hut 8.5 19:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Round 6
( There Is A Consensus That New Better Revision Should Come As Policy )
 * I have said from the beginning, "'Please brush up Accountability and make it one of fundamental official policies of Wikipedia. Obviously, few persons have edited Accountability. Probably, for many editors, to achieve accountability is just one of common sense, so they didn't need to read and edit Accountability from necessity. But it should be established properly by the consensus of many Wikipedians.' ( Village pump (proposals) )"
 * And GUYS who have maneged to lower and/or eliminate the status of Accountability, this is, the symbol of "Wikipedia Accountability System", have said, for example, "'The page is also very poorly written, extremely far from the level of quality usually attributed to guidelines. I fixed the overview paragraph somewhat, but it still needs much more work before you can even think about making it a guideline.' ( by Equazcion at Village pump (proposals) )""'Pages generally need to be well-written...' ( by Equazcion at Village pump (proposals) )"

 * Therefore, the guideline should not be removed. -- PBeaver 19:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Round 7
( Must Go Together )
 * Radiant! said, "'proposed' and 'guideline' are mutually exclusive"

 * Hut 8.5 said, "'it's either a guideline OR a proposal, NOT both,'"
 * but as I told above, BOTH must go together. So, I have to say, "It is difficult to agree with Radiant! and Hut 8.5 unfortunately."

 * Hut 8.5 also said, "Removing guideline tag until consensus is demonstrated"
 * but as I told above, consensus is demonstrated anywhere in Wikipedia from the beginning. Therefore, I have to say again, "It is difficult to agree with Hut 8.5, unfortunately."
 * Consensus has to be forged on the talk page through discussion for any proposed policy or guideline, whatever the Wikipedia community has said previously. Hut 8.5 19:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Round 8
( Recognize The Fact )
 * Who, Where, How many decent editors seriously insist that we should eliminate the necessity of achieving accountability in summary boxes and talk pages, where many decent editors have achieved Accountability? You still haven't answered as well as those who managed to eliminate it from "Wikipedia Accountability System".

 * As far as they couldn't, it is very clear that the title ( Accountability ) and the exisitence of the page titled "Accountability" at least have been already considered a guideline or something more than a guideline, regardless of its poorly written contents.

''' WE ( except Vandals ) can easily admit, "Accountability is considered a guideline or something more than a guideline in spite of odd tags such as rejected and delete, because a lot of decent editors, sometimes even anons, have performed Accountability without any complaints." '''

 * Therefore, the guideline should be placed on Accountability. -- PBeaver 19:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Round 9
( Do It Yourself )
 * If you are concerned about its poorly written contents, it's just your own problem. Who can say this sentence is not good enough also could rewite it and say this sentence is OK. And you are guaranteed to amend it by yourself without changing its status of, even if you can't and/or won't.

 * Therefore, I have to say, it's difficult to understand what those who have managed to disgrace and/or eliminate are saying. It's very ridiculous, unfortunately. -- PBeaver 19:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Round 10
( YOU Yourself Demonstrate A Consensus About Its Being Policy )
 * Fortunately or unfortunately, what YOU have been doing and saying also proves that the page titled "Accountability" has been a guideline or something more than a guideline, regardless of its contents. This is the fact.

 * Now, what should we ( especially editors who needn't visit and, therefore, edit WP:ACAB ) consider the status of WP:ACAB is? -- PBeaver 19:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Round 11
( A Mass Of Contradiction )
 * How many policies and guidelines and something like those do you think there are in this Wikipedia?

 * I myself, and probably almost all general editors and readers, remember only the titles and their important key points.

 * In other words, WE don't care so much about how beautiful, how impressive, how readable, how understandable, how wonderful, how conventional, how dignified, how selfish, how stupid .. those sentences are. I think, the most important thing about the articles of Wikipedia encyclopedia, including policies and guidelines and someting like those, is whether the descriptions are neutral ( humane ) and correct ( preferable ).

 * Why? Can you think of ways in which Wikipedia must be full of beautiful passages of prose like A Collection of Literary Works?

 * Why? Can you think of ways in which every Wikipedian must be a great writer, while you are not a great writer as well as other Wikipedians? -- PBeaver 19:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Please understand, PBeaver, that your English, while undoubtedly better than my grasp of any other language (well, maybe about the same as my French), is very difficult for some of us (at least, for me) to understand, especially where the discussion is about such abstract concepts. I know this isn't your fault, but it's not ours either. I think that some of the friction here is caused by misunderstandings, quite likely in both directions. So please try and be calm, not accuse other editors of being vandals (at least one of the people you disagree with is an admin, and while admins are not perfect, they don't usually stay admins if they start vandalising).

 * I will try to cover a few points. A page is only termed a guideline, and tagged as such, when there is explicit consensus for that form of words, and further development is then by consensus. Because what you term "accountability" is understood implicitly, there is no general feeling of need for a guideline regarding it. An essay on it, discussing how accountability is served by existing procedures, may well be of value. Lastly, as the English language Wikipedia, there is a need for all articles, and especially all policies and guidelines, to be in the English language, and clear and understandable in such. People with weaker English can still contribute, but they must understand that people will sometimes have trouble understanding them, just as they may have trouble understanding others. I think I know what you're trying to get at with this page, which is one of the reasons that I tried to improve the language. But please, the tack you're taking at the moment is really like trying to break a brick wall with your head. SamBC(talk) 23:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

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Thornbury

Thornbury may refer to:

Places

 * Australia
 * Thornbury, Victoria
 * Thornbury railway station, Melbourne
 * Canada
 * Thornbury, Ontario
 * England
 * Thornbury, Devon
 * Thornbury, Herefordshire
 * Thornbury, Gloucestershire
 * Thornbury Castle
 * Thornbury (UK Parliament constituency), active 1885–1950
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 * Thornbury, West Yorkshire
 * Thornbury Hospital, Sheffield, South Yorkshire
 * New Zealand
 * Thornbury, New Zealand
 * United States of America
 * Thornbury Township, Delaware County, Pennsylvania
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People

 * Gregory Alan Thornbury (born 1970), American academic and administrator
 * George Walter Thornbury (1828–1876), English author
 * Scott Thornbury (born 1950), New Zealand academic
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Alan Jackson

Alan Eugene Jackson (born October 17, 1958) is an American country music singer-songwriter. He is known for performing a style widely regarded as "neotraditional country", as well as writing many of his own songs. Jackson has recorded 21 studio albums, including two Christmas albums, and two gospel albums, as well as released three greatest-hits albums.

Jackson is one of the best-selling music artists of all time, having sold over 75 million records worldwide, with 44 million sold in the United States alone. He has had 66 songs appear on the Billboard Hot Country Singles & Tracks chart; of the 66 titles, and six featured singles, 38 have reached the top five and 35 have claimed the number one spot. Out of 15 titles to reach the Billboard Top Country Albums chart, nine have been certified multi-platinum. He is the recipient of two Grammy Awards, 16 CMA Awards, 17 ACM Awards and nominee of multiple other awards. He is a member of the Grand Ole Opry, and was inducted into the Georgia Music Hall of Fame in 2001. He was inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame in 2017 by Loretta Lynn and into the Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame in 2018.

Early life
Jackson was born to Joseph Eugene "Daddy Gene" Jackson (1927–2000) and Ruth Musick "Mama Ruth" Jackson (1930–2017) in Newnan, Georgia, and has four older sisters. He and his immediate family lived in a small home built around his grandfather's old toolshed. The family is primarily of English descent. His mother lived in the home until her death on January 7, 2017. He began writing music in 1983.

Growing up, Jackson listened primarily to gospel music, until a friend introduced him to Gene Watson, John Anderson, and Hank Williams Jr. Jackson attended the local Elm Street Elementary and Newnan High School, and joined the band Dixie Steel after graduation. When he was 27, Jackson and his wife of six years, Denise, moved from Newnan to Nashville, Tennessee, where he hoped to pursue music full-time. In 1987, Jackson cut a pre-debut demo album titled New Traditional at Doc's Place in Hendersonville, Tennessee, but it is extremely rare and was released only in Japan.

Career
In Tennessee, Jackson got his first job in The Nashville Network's mailroom. His wife Denise was a flight attendant. While working, she came in contact with Glen Campbell and requested advice for her husband. Campbell handed her the business card of his manager and told her to call, which helped jumpstart his career. Jackson eventually signed with Arista, and in 1989, he became the first artist signed to the newly formed Arista Nashville branch of Arista Records. Arista released Jackson's debut single, "Blue Blooded Woman", in late 1989. Although the song failed to reach top 40 on Hot Country Songs, he reached number three by early 1990 with "Here in the Real World". This song served as the title track to his debut studio album, Here in the Real World, which also included two more top five hits ("Wanted" and "Chasin' That Neon Rainbow") and his first number one, "I'd Love You All Over Again". Don't Rock the Jukebox was the title of Jackson's second album. Released in 1991, it included four number-one singles: the title track, "Someday", "Dallas" and "Love's Got a Hold on You", and the number three "Midnight in Montgomery". Jackson also co-wrote several songs on Randy Travis' 1991 album High Lonesome.

A Lot About Livin' (And a Little 'bout Love), his third album, accounted for the number one hits "She's Got the Rhythm (And I Got the Blues)" (which Randy Travis co-wrote) and "Chattahoochee", plus the top five hits "Tonight I Climbed the Wall", "Mercury Blues" and "(Who Says) You Can't Have It All". "Chattahoochee" also won him the 1994 Country Music Association (CMA) awards for Single and Song of the Year. In 1994, Jackson left his management company, Ten Ten Management, which had overseen his career up to that point, and switched to Gary Overton. His fourth album was titled Who I Am, and it contained four number one hits: a cover of the Eddie Cochran rockabilly standard "Summertime Blues", followed by "Livin' on Love", "Gone Country" and "I Don't Even Know Your Name". An additional track from the album, a cover of Rodney Crowell's "Song for the Life", made number six. In late 1994, Clay Walker reached number one with "If I Could Make a Living", which Jackson co-wrote. Jackson also appeared in the 1996 "When Harry Kept Delores" episode of Home Improvement, performing "Mercury Blues".

Mid-to-late 1990s
The Greatest Hits Collection was released on October 24, 1995. The disc contained 17 hits, two newly recorded songs ("I'll Try" and "Tall, Tall Trees"), and the song "Home" from Here in the Real World that had never been released as a single. These first two songs both made number one. Everything I Love followed in 1996. Its first single, the Tom T. Hall-penned "Little Bitty", took Jackson to the top of the charts in late 1996. The album also included the number one hit "There Goes" and a number two cover of Charly McClain's 1980 single "Who's Cheatin' Who". The album's fifth single was "A House with No Curtains", which became his first release since 1989 to miss the top 10.

1998's High Mileage was led off by the number four "I'll Go On Loving You". After it came the album's only number one hit, "Right on the Money", co-written by Phil Vassar and Charlie Black. With Jackson's release of Under the Influence in 1999, he took the double risk on an album of covers of country classics while retaining a traditional sound when a rock- and pop-tinged sound dominated country radio. When the Country Music Association (CMA) asked George Jones to trim his act to 90 seconds for the 1999 CMA awards, Jones decided to boycott the event. In solidarity, Jackson interrupted his own song and launched into Jones's song "Choices" and then walked offstage.

2000s

Due to a shift in the sound of country music towards a more pop sound in the 1990s and 2000s, he and George Strait criticized the state of country music in the song "Murder on Music Row". The song sparked debate in the country music community about whether "traditional" country music was actually dead or not. Despite the fact that the song was not officially released as a single, it became the highest-charting nonseasonal album cut (not available in any retail single configuration or released as a promotional single to radio during a chart run) to appear on Hot Country Singles & Tracks in the Broadcast Data Systems era, beating the record previously held by Garth Brooks' "Belleau Wood." The duo were invited to open the 2000 Academy of Country Music Awards (ACMAs) with a performance of the tune. Rolling Stone commented on Jackson's style remarking, "If Garth and Shania have raised the bar for country concerts with Kiss-style production and endless costume changes, then Alan Jackson is doing his best to return the bar to a more human level." After the September 11, 2001 attacks, Jackson released "Where Were You (When the World Stopped Turning)" as a tribute to those killed in the 9/11 terrorist attacks. The country/soft rock song became a hit single and briefly propelled him into the mainstream spotlight; Jackson had debuted the song at the 2001 CMA Awards and his performance was generally considered the highlight of the show. Jackson's website crashed the next day from server requests. The song came to Jackson suddenly, and had not been scheduled for any official release, but the live performance began receiving radio airplay and was soon released as a single. It was included on his 2002 album Drive, both the live version from his CMA performance, and a radio version.

Jackson released his second Christmas album (after Honky Tonk Christmas in 1993), titled Let It Be Christmas on October 22, 2002. Jeannie Kendall contacted Jackson to do a duet, and he suggested the song "Timeless and True Love"; the song appeared on her first solo album, released in 2003. In early 2006, Jackson released his first gospel music album entitled Precious Memories. He put together the album at the request of his mother, who enjoyed religious music. Jackson considered this album a "side project" and nothing too official, but it was ultimately treated as such. More than 1.8 million units were eventually sold.

Just a few months later, Jackson released his next album, Like Red on a Rose. Originally intended to be a bluegrass album, Like Red on a Rose had a different producer and sound. Keith Stegall was notably absent from this album and, instead, Alison Krauss took over the producing reins. Unlike Jackson's previous albums, the album abandoned Jackson's typical neotraditional country style and instead, went for a soft rock/adult contemporary sound. This move proved controversial for his fans, who accused him of abandoning his signature style in order to go for a more commercial pop route. Although critically acclaimed, the album was considered a commercial disappointment for the singer. For his next album, he went back to his country roots. Good Time was released on March 4, 2008. The album's first single, "Small Town Southern Man", was released to radio on November 19, 2007. "Country Boy", "Good Time", "Sissy's Song" and "I Still Like Bologna", were also released as singles. "Sissy's Song" is dedicated to a longtime friend of the Jackson family (Leslie "Sissy" Fitzgerald) who worked in their house every day. Fitzgerald was killed in a motorcycle accident in mid-2007.

2010s and 2020s

His sixteenth studio album, Freight Train, was released on March 30, 2010. The first single was "It's Just That Way", which debuted at No. 50 in January 2010. "Hard Hat and a Hammer" is the album's second single, released in May 2010. On November 23, 2010, Jackson released another greatest-hits package, entitled 34 Number Ones, which features a cover of the Johnny Cash hit "Ring of Fire", as well as the duet with Zac Brown Band, "As She's Walking Away". On January 20, 2011, Sony Music Nashville announced that Jackson and his Sony-owned record label, Arista Nashville, had parted. In March of that year, Jackson announced his new deal with Capitol's EMI Records Nashville. It was a joint venture between ACR (Alan's Country Records) and Capitol. All records were to be released and marketed through Capitol's EMI Records Nashville label.

In 2012, Jackson released the album Thirty Miles West. Three singles were released from the album: "Long Way to Go", "So You Don't Have to Love Me Anymore" and "You Go Your Way". None of the singles reached the top 20. A tour in 2013 supported the album. Jackson released his second gospel album, Precious Memories Volume II, on March 26, 2013. Later that same year, Jackson released his first (and so far, only) bluegrass album, simply titled The Bluegrass Album. Two singles were released from the album: "Blue Ridge Mountain Song" and "Blacktop". The album eventually peaked at no. 1 on the Billboard Top Bluegrass Albums chart and no. 3 on the country chart. In 2014, Jackson recorded the opening credits song, "A Million Ways to Die", for the film A Million Ways to Die in the West, co-writing the song with Seth MacFarlane and Joel McNeely.

In August 2014, the Country Music Hall of Fame opened an exhibit celebrating Jackson's 25 years in the music industry. It was also announced that he was an artist in residency as well, performing shows on October 8 and 22. The exhibit highlights the different milestones in his career with memorabilia collected over the years. His twenty-fifth anniversary "Keeping It Country" tour, began on January 8, 2015, in Estero, Florida. In January 2015, Jackson began his 25th anniversary "Keepin' It Country" tour, followed in April with the announcement of his twentieth studio album, Angels and Alcohol, which was released on July 17. In 2016, Jackson was selected as one of 30 artists to perform on "Forever Country", a mash-up track of "Take Me Home, Country Roads", "On the Road Again" and "I Will Always Love You" which celebrates 50 years of the CMA Awards. In 2016 and 2017, Jackson extended his "Keepin' It Country" tour with American Idol alumna Lauren Alaina. In August 2016, Legacy Recordings released the collection "Genuine: The Alan Jackson Story" digitally and on three CDs with 59 tracks including eight previously unreleased tracks which was dedicated to Merle Haggard's memory. In October 2017, Alan Jackson released a new song titled "The Older I Get" for a planned future studio album. The album Where Have You Gone would be released four years later; the record features an even harder, more traditional country sound than Jackson's usual repertoire, with Jackson noting in interviews that he feared that "country music is gone, and it's not coming back."

Awards, nominations and induction into the Georgia Music Hall of Fame
Jackson was nominated for six CMAs in 1989 and four more in 1994, including one for Entertainer of the Year. He became a member of the Grand Ole Opry in 1991 and was inducted by Roy Acuff and Randy Travis. Jackson was the most nominated artist at the 29th annual TNN/Music City News Country Awards (at the Grand Ole Opry House) that was broadcast June 5, 1995. His six nominations included best entertainer, male artist, vocal collaboration, album, single, and video (two nominations in this category). At the 2002 CMAs, Jackson set a record for having the most nominations in a single year – ten – many rising from the song "Where Were You". It also brought his career total up to the second number of most nominations ever, after George Strait. "Where Were You" also was nominated for a Grammy for Song of the Year. At the 2003 Academy of Country Music Awards, Jackson won Album of the Year for Drive and Video of the Year for the video to "Drive (For Daddy Gene)."

In 2004, a five-mile (8 km) stretch of Interstate 85 through Jackson's hometown of Newnan was renamed the "Alan Jackson Highway" in the singer's honor. After learning of the honor, he stated "[Newnan] was a great place to grow up. I'm not sure I'm quite qualified for the main highway. Maybe they should've picked a dirt road or something." Jackson was inducted into the Georgia Music Hall of Fame on October 22, 2001, in Atlanta. Alan Jackson was selected to receive a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame in 2010. In 2017, Alan Jackson was inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame.

Touring
Jackson headlined the 1995 Fruit of the Loom Comfort Tour, a deal worth $40 million. It began January 20 in New Orleans and ran for a hundred dates. Alan Jackson's 2004 concert tour launched January 23 in Fort Myers, Florida, and was sponsored by NAPA Auto Parts in a deal that included Jackson's endorsement in TV spots. The tour included more than 50 U.S. dates. Martina McBride was the opening for some of the shows. In March 2011, he visited Australia to perform for the CMC Rocks The Hunter music festival where he was the headline act for Saturday night. In 2015, Jackson kicked off his 25th Anniversary Keepin' It Country tour. The tour began with a concert in Estero, Florida, on January 8 at the Germane Arena. Jon Pardi & Brandy Clark are special guests for most concerts of the tour. The tour wrapped with a solo concert in Highland Park, Illinois, at the Ravinia Pavilion on August 31.

In March 2022, Jackson announced his farewell tour "One More For The Road Tour."

Band members
Jackson records his studio albums, in most part, with the backing of some of the members of his live band, the Strayhorns. As of 2022, the band consists of:
 * Mark McClurg – acoustic guitar, harmony vocals
 * Scott Coney – acoustic and baritone guitars, banjo, occasional fiddle
 * Rusty Danmyer – steel guitar
 * Danny Groah – lead guitar
 * Ryan Joseph – fiddle, mandolin, harmony vocals
 * Bruce Rutherford – drums
 * Joey Schmidt – keyboards
 * Roger Wills – bass guitar

Personal life

Jackson married his high school sweetheart, Denise Jackson, on December 15, 1979. They have three daughters: Mattie Denise Selecman (born June 19, 1990), Alexandra Jane "Ali" (born August 23, 1993), and Dani Grace (born August 28, 1997). The couple became grandparents in December 2022 when their daughter Ali and her husband Sam Bradshaw welcomed their first child, a son. Although the couple separated for several months in 1998 due to the strains of Jackson's career as well as his infidelity, they have since reconciled.

Denise Jackson wrote a book that topped The New York Times Best Seller list about her life with Jackson, their relationship, their separation over his infidelity and recommitment to each other, and her commitment to Christianity. The book, It's All About Him: Finding the Love of My Life, was published in 2007. In May 2008, she released a gift book titled The Road Home. Jackson's nephew, Adam Wright, is also a country music singer-songwriter. Adam and his wife, Shannon, perform together as a duo called The Wrights. The Wrights co-wrote two songs and sang harmony vocals on Jackson's What I Do album. Jackson is a cousin of former Major League Baseball player Brandon Moss. In June 2009, Jackson listed his 135 acre estate just outside Franklin, Tennessee, for sale, asking $38 million. The property sold in late May 2010 for $28 million, one of the highest prices ever for a home sale in the Nashville area. In 2010, the singer then moved into a home in the same Nashville suburb. The singer and his wife paid $3.675 million for the estate in June 2010, but less than a year later they listed the home for $3.995 million.

Jackson maintained a close friendship with fellow country singer George Jones. Jones has been mentioned in songs such as "Don't Rock the Jukebox" (Jones also appeared in the video which accompanied it) and "Murder on Music Row." The song "Just Playin' Possum" is dedicated to Jones and talks of how Alan only wants to lie low and play possum (with "possum" referring to George Jones). Jones can also be seen in the video for "Good Time." In 2008, Jones was a surprise guest at Jackson's "CMT Giants" ceremony, where he thanked Jackson for his friendship. He's also close friends with George Strait, who sang "Murder on Music Row" with him. Besides his associations with big stars, Jackson maintains his connections to his roots and old friends.

At George Jones' funeral service, on May 2, 2013, Jackson performed one of Jones' classics, "He Stopped Loving Her Today", at the close of the service at the Grand Ole Opry in Nashville. An avid classic car collector, Jackson's collection includes an Amphicar, a 1968 Shelby GT 500 KR Convertible and a 1970 Chevelle SS 396, among others.

In a 2021 appearance on The Today Show, Jackson announced he had Charcot–Marie–Tooth disease (CMT), stating "...it's been affecting me for years. And it's getting more and more obvious. And I know I'm stumbling around on stage. And now I'm having a little trouble balancing, even in front of the microphone, and so I just feel very uncomfortable."

Selected discography

 * New Traditional (1987)
 * Here in the Real World (1990)
 * Don't Rock the Jukebox (1991)
 * A Lot About Livin' (And a Little 'Bout Love) (1992)
 * Honky Tonk Christmas (1993)
 * Who I Am (1994)
 * Everything I Love (1996)
 * High Mileage (1998)
 * Under the Influence (1999)
 * When Somebody Loves You (2000)
 * Drive (2002)
 * Let It Be Christmas (2002)
 * What I Do (2004)
 * Precious Memories (2006)
 * Like Red on a Rose (2006)
 * Good Time (2008)
 * Freight Train (2010)
 * Thirty Miles West (2012)
 * Precious Memories Volume II (2013)
 * The Bluegrass Album (2013)
 * Angels and Alcohol (2015)
 * Where Have You Gone (2021)

Awards
American Music Awards
 * American Music Award for Favorite Country Single 1993; "Chattahoochee"
 * 1993 Favorite Country Album – "A Lot About Livin' (And a Little 'bout Love)"

Academy of Country Music
 * 1990 Top New Male Vocalist
 * 1991 Album of the Year – "Don't Rock the Jukebox"
 * 1991 Single of the Year – "Don't Rock the Jukebox"
 * 1993 Album of the Year – "A Lot About Livin' (And a Little 'bout Love)"
 * 1993 Single of the Year – "Chattahoochee"
 * 1994 Top Male Vocalist
 * 1995 Top Male Vocalist
 * 2001 Single of the Year – "Where Were You (When the World Stopped Turning)"
 * 2001 Song of the Year – "Where Were You (When the World Stopped Turning)"
 * 2001 Top Male Vocalist
 * 2002 Album of the Year – "Drive"
 * 2002 Video of the Year – "Drive (For Daddy Gene)"
 * 2003 Single of the Year – "It's Five O'Clock Somewhere"
 * 2003 Vocal Event of the Year with Jimmy Buffett – "It's Five O'Clock Somewhere"
 * 2018 Cliffie Stone Icon Award

Billboard Music Awards
 * 2014 Top Christian Album - "Precious Memories Volume II"

CMT Music Awards
 * 2022 Artist of a Lifetime

Country Music Association
 * 1992 Music Video of the Year – "Midnight in Montgomery"
 * 1993 Music Video of the Year – "Chattahoochee"
 * 1993 Single of the Year – "Chattahoochee"
 * 1993 Vocal Event of the Year – "I Don't Need Your Rockin' Chair"
 * 1994 Song of the Year with Jim McBride – "Chattahoochee"
 * 1995 Entertainer of the Year
 * 2000 Vocal Event of the Year – "Murder on Music Row"
 * 2002 Album of the Year – "Drive"
 * 2002 Male Vocalist of the Year
 * 2002 Entertainer of the Year
 * 2002 Single of the Year – "Where Were You (When the World Stopped Turning)"
 * 2002 Song of the Year – "Where Were You (When the World Stopped Turning)"
 * 2003 Entertainer of the Year
 * 2003 Male Vocalist of the Year
 * 2003 Vocal Event of the Year with Jimmy Buffett – "It's Five O'Clock Somewhere"
 * 2022 Willie Nelson Lifetime Achievement Award

Grammy Awards
 * 2002 Best Country Song – "Where Were You (When the World Stopped Turning)"
 * 2011 Best Country Collaboration with Vocals- "As She's Walking Away", with Zac Brown Band

ASCAP Awards
 * 2014 Country Music Award for Heritage Award

Golden Boot Awards
 * 2014 Album of the Year – "The Bluegrass Album"

TNN Music City News Country Awards
 * 1990 Song of the Year "Here in the Real World"
 * 1991 Star of Tomorrow
 * 1991 Album of the Year "Here in the Real World"
 * 1992 Single of the Year "Don't Rock the Jukebox"
 * 1992 Album of the Year "Don't Rock the Jukebox"
 * 1992 Male Artist of the Year
 * 1993 Video of the Year "Midnight in Montgomery"
 * 1993 Song of the Year "Chattahoochee"
 * 1993 Male Artist of the Year
 * 1993 Entertainer of the Year
 * 1994 Video of the Year "Chattahoochee"
 * 1994 Single of the Year "Chattahoochee"
 * 1994 Album of the Year "A Lot About Livin"
 * 1994 Male Artist of the Year
 * 1994 Entertainer of the Year
 * 1995 Vocal Collaboration of the Year " A Good Year For the Roses" with George Jones
 * 1995 Single of the Year "Lovin' on Love"
 * 1995 Album of the Year "Who I Am"
 * 1995 Male Artist of the Year
 * 1995 Entertainer of the Year
 * 1996 Male Artist of the Year
 * 1996 Entertainer of the Year
 * 1997 Male Artist of the Year
 * 1997 Entertainer of the Year
 * 2001 Video of the Year "WWW.Memory"
 * 2001 Song of the Year "Murder on Music Row" with George Strait
 * 2001 Single of the Year "Murder on Music Row" with George Strait
 * 2001 Album of the Year " When Somebody Loves You"
 * 2001 Collaborative Event of the Year "Murder on Music Row" with George Strait
 * 2001 Male Artist of the Year

CMT Flameworthy Awards
 * 2002 Love Your Country Video of the Year- "Where Were You When the Would Stopped Turning"

Other Honors
 * 2017: Inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame

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Jean Genet

Jean Genet (December 19, 1910 – April 15, 1986) was a French novelist, playwright, poet, essayist, and political activist. In his early life he was a vagabond and petty criminal, but he later became a writer and playwright. His major works include the novels The Thief's Journal and Our Lady of the Flowers and the plays The Balcony, The Maids and The Screens.

Early life
Genet's mother was a prostitute who raised him for the first seven months of his life before placing him for adoption. Thereafter Genet was raised in the provincial town of Alligny-en-Morvan, in the Nièvre department of central France. His foster family was headed by a carpenter and, according to Edmund White's biography, was loving and attentive. While he received excellent grades in school, his childhood involved a series of attempts at running away and incidents of petty theft.

Detention and military service
For this and other misdemeanors, including repeated acts of vagrancy, he was sent at the age of 15 to Mettray Penal Colony where he was detained between 2 September 1926 and 1 March 1929. In Miracle of the Rose (1946), he gives an account of this period of detention, which ended at the age of 18 when he joined the Foreign Legion. He was eventually given a dishonorable discharge on grounds of indecency (having been caught engaged in a homosexual act) and spent a period as a vagabond, petty thief and prostitute across Europe—experiences he recounts in The Thief's Journal (1949).

Criminal career, prison, and prison writings
After returning to Paris in 1937, Genet was in and out of prison through a series of arrests for theft, use of false papers, vagabondage, lewd acts, and other offences. In prison Genet wrote his first poem, "Le condamné à mort", which he had printed at his own cost, and the novel Our Lady of the Flowers (1944).

In Paris, Genet sought out and introduced himself to Jean Cocteau, who was impressed by his writing. Cocteau used his contacts to get Genet's novel published, and in 1949, when Genet was threatened with a life sentence after ten convictions, Cocteau and other prominent figures, including Jean-Paul Sartre and Pablo Picasso, successfully petitioned the French President to have the sentence set aside. Genet would never return to prison.

Writing and activism
By 1949, Genet had completed five novels, three plays, and numerous poems, many controversial for their explicit and often deliberately provocative portrayal of homosexuality and criminality. Sartre wrote a long analysis of Genet's existential development (from vagrant to writer), entitled Saint Genet (1952), which was anonymously published as the first volume of Genet's complete works. Genet was strongly affected by Sartre's analysis and did not write for the next five years.

Between 1955 and 1961, Genet wrote three more plays as well as an essay called "What Remains of a Rembrandt Torn into Four Equal Pieces and Flushed Down the Toilet", on which hinged Jacques Derrida's analysis of Genet in his seminal work Glas. During this time, Genet became emotionally attached to Abdallah Bentaga, a tightrope walker. However, following a number of accidents and Bentaga's suicide in 1964, Genet entered a period of depression, and even attempted suicide himself.

From the late 1960s, starting with an homage to Daniel Cohn-Bendit after the events of May 1968, Genet became politically active. He participated in demonstrations drawing attention to the living conditions of immigrants in France. Genet was censored in the United States in 1968 and later expelled when they refused him a visa. In an interview with Edward de Grazia, professor of law and First Amendment lawyer, Genet discusses the time he went through Canada for the Chicago congress. He entered without a visa and left with no issues.

In 1970, the Black Panthers invited him to the United States, where he stayed for three months giving lectures, attended the trial of their leader, Huey Newton, and published articles in their journals. Later the same year he spent six months in Palestinian refugee camps, secretly meeting Yasser Arafat near Amman. Profoundly moved by his experiences in the United States and Jordan, Genet wrote a final lengthy memoir about his experiences, Prisoner of Love, which would be published posthumously.

Genet also supported Angela Davis and George Jackson, as well as Michel Foucault and Daniel Defert's Prison Information Group. He worked with Foucault and Sartre to protest police brutality against Algerians in Paris, a problem persisting since the Algerian War of Independence, when beaten bodies were to be found floating in the Seine. Genet expresses his solidarity with the Red Army Faction (RAF) of Andreas Baader and Ulrike Meinhof, in the article "Violence et brutalité", published in Le Monde, 1977.

In September 1982, Genet was in Beirut when the massacres took place in the Palestinian camps of Sabra and Shatila. In response, Genet published "Quatre heures à Chatila" ("Four Hours in Shatila"), an account of his visit to Shatila after the event. In one of his rare public appearances during the later period of his life, at the invitation of Austrian philosopher Hans Köchler, he read from his work during the inauguration of an exhibition on the massacre of Sabra and Shatila organized by the International Progress Organization in Vienna, Austria, on 19 December 1983.

Death
In the early summer of 1985, the year before his death, Genet was interviewed by BBC. He told the interviewer controversial but not surprising details of his life like he disliked France so much that was rooting for the Germans when the Nazis invaded Paris. He compared the BBC interview to a police interrogation.

Genet developed throat cancer and was found dead at Jack's Hotel in Paris on 15 April 1986 where his photograph and books remain. Genet may have fallen on the floor and fatally hit his head. He is buried in the Larache Christian Cemetery in Larache, Morocco.

Novels and autobiography
Throughout his five early novels, Genet works to subvert the traditional set of moral values of his assumed readership. He celebrates a beauty in evil, emphasizes his singularity, raises violent criminals to icons, and enjoys the specificity of homosexual gesture and coding and the depiction of scenes of betrayal. Our Lady of the Flowers (Notre Dame des Fleurs 1943) is a journey through the prison underworld, featuring a fictionalized alter-ego named Divine, usually referred to in the feminine. Divine is surrounded by tantes ("aunties" or "queens") with colorful sobriquets such as Mimosa I, Mimosa II, First Communion and the Queen of Rumania. The two auto-fictional novels Miracle of the Rose (Miracle de la rose 1946) and The Thief's Journal (Journal du voleur 1949) describe Genet's time in Mettray Penal Colony and his experiences as a vagabond and prostitute across Europe. Querelle de Brest (1947) is set in the port town of Brest, where sailors and the sea are associated with murder. Funeral Rites (1949) is a story of love and betrayal across political divides, written for the narrator's lover, Jean Decarnin, killed by the Germans in WWII.

Prisoner of Love, published in 1986 after Genet's death, is a memoir of his encounters with Palestinian fighters and Black Panthers. It has a more documentary tone than his fiction.

Art criticism
Genet wrote an essay on the work of the Swiss sculptor and artist Alberto Giacometti titled L'Atelier d'Alberto Giacometti. It was highly praised by major artists, including Giacometti and Picasso. Genet wrote in an informal style, incorporating excerpts of conversations between himself and Giacometti. Genet's biographer Edmund White said that, rather than write in the style of an art historian, Genet "invented a whole new language for discussing" Giacometti, proposing "that the statues of Giacometti should be offered to the dead, and that they should be buried."

Plays
Genet's plays present highly stylized depictions of ritualistic struggles between outcasts of various kinds and their oppressors. Social identities are parodied and shown to involve complex layering through manipulation of the dramatic fiction and its inherent potential for theatricality and role-play. Maids imitate one another and their mistress in The Maids (1947); the clients of a brothel simulate roles of political power before, in a dramatic reversal, actually becoming those figures, all surrounded by mirrors that both reflect and conceal, in The Balcony (1957). Most strikingly, Genet offers a critical dramatisation of what Aimé Césaire called negritude in The Blacks (1958), presenting a violent assertion of black identity and anti-white virulence framed in terms of mask-wearing and roles adopted and discarded. His most overtly political play is The Screens (1964), an epic account of the Algerian War of Independence. He also wrote another full-length drama, Splendid's, in 1948 and a one-act play, Her (Elle), in 1955, though neither was published or produced during Genet's lifetime.

The Maids was the first of Genet's plays to be staged in New York, produced by Julie Bovasso at Tempo Playhouse in New York City in 1955. The Blacks was, after The Balcony, the third of Genet's plays to be staged in New York. The production was the longest running Off-Broadway non-musical of the decade. Originally premiered in Paris in 1959, this 1961 New York production ran for 1,408 performances. The original cast featured James Earl Jones, Roscoe Lee Browne, Louis Gossett Jr., Cicely Tyson, Godfrey Cambridge, Maya Angelou and Charles Gordone.

Film
In 1950, Genet directed Un Chant d'Amour, a 26-minute black-and-white film depicting the fantasies of a homosexual male prisoner and his prison warden. Genet is also credited as co-director of the West German television documentary Am Anfang war der Dieb (In the Beginning was the Thief) (1984), along with his co-stars Hans Neuenfels and François Bondy.

Genet's work has been adapted for film and produced by other filmmakers. In 1982, Rainer Werner Fassbinder released Querelle, his final film, based on Querelle of Brest. It starred Brad Davis, Jeanne Moreau and Franco Nero. Tony Richardson directed Mademoiselle, which was based on a short story by Genet. It starred Jeanne Moreau with the screenplay written by Marguerite Duras. Todd Haynes' Poison was based on the writings of Genet.

Several of Genet's plays were adapted into films. The Balcony (1963), directed by Joseph Strick, starred Shelley Winters as Madame Irma, Peter Falk, Lee Grant and Leonard Nimoy. The Maids was filmed in 1974 and starred Glenda Jackson, Susannah York and Vivien Merchant. Italian director Salvatore Samperi in 1986 directed another adaptation for film of the same play, La Bonne (Eng. Corruption), starring Florence Guerin and Katrine Michelsen.

In popular culture
Genet made an appearance by proxy in the pop charts when David Bowie released his 1972 hit single "The Jean Genie". In his 2005 book Moonage Daydream, Bowie confirmed that the title "...was a clumsy pun upon Jean Genet". A later promo video combines a version of the song with a fast edit of Genet's 1950 film Un Chant d'Amour. Genet is referenced in the song “Les Boys” from the 1980 Dire Straits album “Making Movies”. The 2023 French Film Little Girl Blue, starring Marion Cotillard, traces the repercussions of Genet’s sexual abuse of 11-year-old Carole Achache, the daughter of his friend Monique Achache.

Novels and autobiography
Entries show: English-language translation of title (French-language title) [year written] / [year first published]
 * Our Lady of the Flowers (Notre Dame des Fleurs) 1942/1943
 * Miracle of the Rose (Miracle de la Rose) 1946/1951
 * Funeral Rites (Pompes Funèbres) 1947/1953
 * Querelle of Brest (Querelle de Brest) 1947/1953
 * The Thief's Journal (Journal du voleur) 1949/1949
 * Prisoner of Love (Un Captif Amoureux) 1986/1986

Drama
Entries show: English-language translation of title (French-language title) [year written] / [year first published] / [year first performed]
 * ′adame Miroir (ballet) (1944). In Fragments et autres textes, 1990 (Fragments of the Artwork, 2003)
 * Deathwatch (Haute surveillance) 1944/1949/1949
 * The Maids (Les Bonnes) 1946/1947/1947
 * Splendid's 1948/1993/
 * The Balcony (Le Balcon) 1955/1956/1957. Complementary texts "How to Perform The Balcony" and "Note" published in 1962.
 * The Blacks (Les Nègres) 1955/1958/1959 (preface first published in Theatre Complet, Gallimard, 2002)
 * Her (Elle) 1955/1989
 * The Screens (Les Paravents) 1956-61/1961/1964
 * Le Bagne [French edition only] (1994)

Cinema

 * Un chant d'amour (1950)
 * Haute Surveillance (1944) was used as the basis for the 1965 American adaptation Deathwatch, directed by Vic Morrow.
 * Les Rêves interdits, ou L'autre versant du rêve (Forbidden Dreams or The Other Side of Dreams) (1952) was used as the basis for the script for Tony Richardson's film Mademoiselle, made in 1966.
 * Le Bagne (The Penal Colony). Written in the 1950s. Excerpt published in The Selected Writings of Jean Genet, The Ecco Press (1993).
 * La Nuit venue/Le Bleu de L'oeil (The Night Has Come/The Blue of the Eye) (1976–78). Excerpts published in Les Nègres au port de la lune, Paris: Editions de la Différence (1988), and in The Cinema of Jean Genet, BFI Publishing (1991).
 * "Le Langage de la muraille: cent ans jour après jour" (The Language of the Walls: One Hundred Years Day after Day) (1970s). Unpublished.

Poetry

 * Collected in Œuvres complètes (French) and Treasures of the Night: Collected Poems by Jean Genet (English)
 * "The Man Sentenced to Death" ("Le Condamné à Mort") (written in 1942, first published in 1945)
 * "Funeral March" ("Marche Funebre") (1945)
 * "The Galley" ("La Galere") (1945)
 * "A Song of Love" ("Un Chant d'Amour") (1946)
 * "The Fisherman of the Suquet" ("Le Pecheur du Suquet") (1948)
 * "The Parade" ("La Parade")(1948)

Spitzer, Mark, trans. 2010. The Genet Translations: Poetry and Posthumous Plays. Polemic Press. See www.sptzr.net/genet_translations.htm
 * Other
 * "Poèmes Retrouvés". First published in Le condamné à mort et autres poèmes suivi de Le funambule, Gallimard

Two of Genet's poems, "The Man Sentenced to Death" and "The Fisherman of the Suquet" were adapted, respectively, as "The Man Condemned to Death" and "The Thief and the Night" and set to music for the album Feasting with Panthers, released in 2011 by Marc Almond and Michael Cashmore. Both poems were adapted and translated by Jeremy Reed.
 * Note

Essays on art

 * Collected in Fragments et autres textes, 1990 (Fragments of the Artwork, 2003)
 * "Jean Cocteau", Bruxelles: Empreintes, 1950)
 * "Fragments"
 * "The Studio of Alberto Giacometti" ("L'Atelier d'Alberto Giacomett") (1957).
 * "The Tightrope Walker" ("Le Funambule").
 * "Rembrandt's Secret" ("Le Secret de Rembrandt") (1958). First published in L'Express, September 1958.
 * "What Remains of a Rembrandt Torn Into Little Squares All the Same Size and Shot Down the Toilet" ("Ce qui est resté d'un Rembrandt déchiré en petits carrés"). First published in Tel Quel, April 1967.
 * "That Strange Word..." ("L'etrange Mot D'.").

Essays on politics

 * Collected in L'Ennemi déclaré: textes et entretiens (1991) – The Declared Enemy (2004)

1960s
 * "Interview with Madeleine Gobeil for Playboy", April 1964, pp. 45–55.
 * "Lenin's Mistresses" ("Les maîtresses de Lénine"), in Le Nouvel Observateur, n° 185, 30 May 1968.
 * "The members of the Assembly" ("Les membres de l'Assemblée nationale"), in Esquire, n° 70, November 1968.
 * "A Salute to a Hundred Thousand Stars" ("Un salut aux cent milles étoiles"), in Evergreen Review, December 1968.
 * "The Shepherds of Disorder" ("Les Pâtres du désordre"), in Pas à Pas, March 1969, pp. vi–vii.

1970s
 * "Yet Another Effort, Frenchman!" ("Français encore un effort"), in L'Idiot international, n° 4, 1970, p. 44.
 * "It seems Indecent for Me to Speak of Myself" ("Il me paraît indécent de parler de moi"), Conference, Cambridge, 10 March 1970.
 * "Letter to American Intellectuals" ("Lettres aux intellectuels américains"), talk given at the University of Connecticut, 18 March 1970. first published as "Bobby Seale, the Black Panthers and Us White People", in Black Panther Newspaper, 28 March 1970.
 * Introduction, Preface to George Jackson's book, Soledad Brother, World Entertainers, New York, 1970.
 * May Day Speech, speech at New Haven, 1 mai 1970. San Francisco: City Light Books. Excerpts published as "J'Accuse" in Jeune Afrique, November 1970, and Les Nègres au port de la lune, Paris: Editions de la Différence, 1988.
 * "Jean Genet chez les Panthères noires", interview with Michèle Manceau, in Le Nouvel Observateur, n° 289, 25 May 1970.
 * "Angela and Her Brothers" ("Angela et ses frères"), in Le Nouvel Observateur, n° 303, 31 août 1970.
 * "Angela Davis is in your Clutches" ("Angela Davis est entre vos pattes"), text read 7 October 1970, broadcast on TV in the program L'Invité, 8 November 1970.
 * "Pour Georges Jackson", manifesto sent to French artists and intellectuals, July 1971.
 * "After the Assassination" ("Après l'assassinat"), written in 1971, published for the first time in 1991 in L'Ennemi déclaré: textes et entretiens.
 * "America is Afraid" ("L'Amérique a peur"), in Le Nouvel Observateur, n° 355, 1971. Later published as "The Americans kill off Blacks", in Black Panther Newspaper, 4 September 1971.
 * "The Palestinians" ("Les Palestiniens"), Commentary accompanying photographs by Bruno Barbey, published in Zoom, n° 4, 1971.
 * "The Black and the Red", in Black Panther Newspaper, 11 September 1971.
 * Preface to L'Assassinat de Georges Jackson, published in L'Intolérable, booklet by GIP, Paris, Gallimard, 10 November 1971.
 * "Meeting the Guaraní" ("Faites connaissance avec les Guaranis"), in Le Démocrate véronais, 2 juin 1972.
 * "On Two or Three books No One Has Ever Talked About" ("Sur deux ou trois livres dont personne n'a jamais parlé"), text read on 2 May 1974, for a radio program on France Culture. Published in L'Humanité as "Jean Genet et la condition des immigrés", 3 May 1974.
 * "When 'the worst is certain'" ("Quand 'le pire est toujours sûr'"), written in 1974, published for the first time in 1991 in L'Ennemi déclaré: textes et entretiens.
 * "Dying Under Giscard d'Estaing" ("Mourir sous Giscard d'Estaing"), in L'Humanité, 13 May 1974.
 * "And Why Not a Fool in Suspenders?" ("Et pourquoi pas la sottise en bretelle?"), in L'Humanité, 25 May 1974.
 * "The Women of Jebel Hussein" ("Les Femmes de Djebel Hussein"), in Le Monde diplomatique, 1 July 1974.
 * Interview with Hubert Fichte for Die Zeit, n° 8 February 13, 1976.
 * "The Tenacity of American Blacks" ("La Ténacité des Noirs américains"), in L'Humanité, 16 April 1977.
 * "Chartres Cathedral" ("Cathédrale de Chartres, vue cavalière"), in L'Humanité, 30 June 1977.
 * "Violence and Britality" ("Violence et brutalité"), in Le Monde, 2 September 1977. Also published as preface to Textes des prisonniers de la Fraction Armée rouge et dernières lettres d'Ulrike Meinhof, Maspero, Cahiers libres, Paris, 1977.
 * "Near Ajloun" ("Près d'Ajloun") in Per un Palestine, in a collection of writing in memory of Wael Zouateir, Mazzota, Milan, 1979.
 * "Interview with Tahar Ben Jelloun", Le Monde, November 1979.

1980s
 * Interview with Antoine Bourseiller (1981) and with Bertrand Poirot-Delpech (1982), distributed as a videocassettes in the series Témoin. Extracts published in Le Monde (1982) and Le Nouvel Observateur (1986).
 * "Four Hours in Shatila" ("Quatre heures à Chatila"), in Revue d'études palestiniennes, 1 January 1983.
 * Registration No. 1155 (N° Matricule 1155), text written for the catalogue of the exhibition La Rupture, Le Creusot, 1 March 1983.
 * Interview with Rudiger Wischenbart and Layla Shahid Barrada for Austrian Radio and the German daily Die Zeit. Published as "Une rencontre avec Jean Genet" in Revue d'études palestiniennes, Autome 1985.
 * Interview with Nigel Williams for BBC, 12 November 1985.
 * "The Brothers Karamazov" ("Les Frères Karamazov"), in La Nouvelle Revue Française, October 1986.

 * Other collected essays
 * "The Criminal Child" ("L'Enfant criminel"). Written in 1949, this text was commissioned by RTF (French radio) but was not broadcast due to its controversial nature. It was published in a limited edition in 1949 and later integrated into Volume 5 of Oeuvres Completes.

 * Uncollected
 * "What I like about the English is that They Are such Liars…", in Sunday Times, 1963, p. 11.
 * "Jean Genet chez les Panthères noires", interview with F.-M. Banier, in Le Monde, 23 October 1970.
 * "Un appel de M. Jean Genet en faveur des Noirs américains", in Le Monde, 15 October 1970.
 * "Jean Genet témoigne pour les Soledad Brothers", in La Nouvelle Critique, June 1971.
 * "The Palestinians" (Les Palestiniens), first published as "Shoun Palestine", Beyrouth, 1973. First English version published in Journal of Palestine Studies (Autumn, 1973). First French version ("Genet à Chatila") published by Actes Sud, Arles, 1994.
 * "Un héros littéraire: le défunt volubile", in La Nouvelle Critique, juin-juillet 1974 and Europe-Revue littéraire Mensuelle, Numéro spécial Jean Genet, n° 808–809 (1996).
 * "Entretien avec Angela Davis", in L'Unité, 23 mai 1975.
 * "Des esprits moins charitables que le mien pourraient croire déceler une piètre opération politique", in L'Humanité, 13 août 1975.
 * "L'art est le refuge", in Les Nègres au Port de la Lune, Paris: Editions de la Différence, 1988, pp. 99–103.
 * "Sainte Hosmose", in Magazine littéraire, Numéro spécial Jean Genet (n° 313), September 1993.
 * "Conférence de Stockholm", in L'Infini, n° 51 (1995).
 * "La trahison est une aventure spirituelle", in Le Monde, 12 July 1996, p. IV.
 * "Ouverture-éclair sur l´Amérique", in Europe-Revue littéraire Mensuelle, Numéro spécial Jean Genet, n° 808–809 (1996).
 * "Réponse à un questionnaire", in Europe-Revue littéraire Mensuelle, Numéro spécial Jean Genet, n° 808–809 (1996).

Correspondence

 * Collected in volume
 * Lettre à Léonor Fini [Jean Genet's letter, 8 illustrations by Leonor Fini] (1950). Also collected in Fragments et autres textes, 1990 (Fragments of the Artwork, 2003)
 * Letters to Roger Blin ("Lettres à Roger Blin", 1966)
 * Lettres à Olga et Marc Barbezat (1988)
 * Chère Madame, 6 Brife aus Brünn [French and German bilingual edition] (1988). Excerpts reprinted in Genet, by Edmund White.
 * Lettres au petit Franz (2000)
 * Lettres à Ibis (2010)

 * Collected in Théâtre Complet (Editions Gallimard, 2002)
 * "Lettre a Jean-Jacques Pauvert", first published as preface to 1954 edition of Les Bonnes. Also in "Fragments et autres textes", 1990 (Fragments of the Artwork, 2003)
 * "Lettres à Jean-Louis Barrault"
 * "Lettres à Roger Blin"
 * "Lettres à Antoine Bourseiller". In Du théâtre no1, July 1993
 * "Lettres à Bernard Frechtman"
 * "Lettres à Patrice Chéreau"

 * Collected in Portrait d'Un Marginal Exemplaire
 * "Une lettre de Jean Genet" (to Jacques Derrida), in Les Lettres Françaises, 29 March 1972
 * "Lettre à Maurice Toesca", in Cinq Ans de patience, Emile Paul Editeur, 1975.
 * "Lettre au professeur Abdelkebir Khatibi", published in Figures de l'etranger, by Abdelkebir Khatibi, 1987.
 * "Letter à André Gide", in Essai de Chronologie 1910–1944 by A.Dichy and B.Fouche (1988)
 * "Letter to Sartre", in Genet (by Edmund White) (1993)
 * "Lettre à Laurent Boyer", in La Nouvelle Revue Francaise, 1996
 * "Brouillon de lettre a Vincent Auriel" (first published in Portrait d'Un Marginal Exemplaire

 * Uncollected
 * "To a Would Be Producer", in Tulane Drama Review, n° 7, 1963, p. 80–81.
 * "Lettres à Roger Blin" and "Lettre a Jean-Kouis Barrault et Billets aux comediens", in La Bataille des Paravents, IMEC Editions, 1966
 * "Chere Ensemble", published in Les nègres au port de la lune, Paris : Editions de la Différence, 1988.
 * "Je ne peux pas le dire", letter to Bernard Frechtman (1960), excerpts published in Libération, 7 April 1988.
 * "Letter to Java, Letter to Allen Ginsberg", in Genet (by Edmund White) (1993)
 * "Lettre à Carole", in L'Infini, n° 51 (1995)
 * "Lettre à Costas Taktsis", published in Europe-Revue littéraire Mensuelle, Numéro spécial Jean Genet, n° 808–809 (1996)

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Talk:List of Canadian musicians

Good job, might want to add Ray Materick, and Paul Dean. Also worth considering the members of Steel River. ;-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.231.68.197 (talk) 04:33, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

diversity
There needs to be a reflective diversity on this list.

Removing redlinks
Hi, I've removed a bunch of names from the list, basically because they didn't link to an article. These lists are only any use if they are for navigating the encyclopaedia -- and even then, categories are much, much better -- and if they're not carefully watched, they just turn into dumping grounds for names, sometimes of real bands or whatever, but often just of schoolkids who want to see their name on the wiki. So please don't re-add your (favourite) band unless there's an article about it somewhere in here. James James 06:46, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Bye Norah
I would love it if Norah Jones was Canadian, but I've seen nothing to say that she is. Born in New York City. MLittle

Daisy Debolt
A legend for many Canadians - but not on the list Daisy Debolt

see: http://daisydebolt.com/pals.htm

Was once the half of Fraser and Debolt ('70's folk)

I have now learned that Daisy died Oct 4, 2011.

I trust she was listed on the page prior to her passing. G. Robert Shiplett 23:24, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

 * Can't be listed on this page until she has a Wikipedia article to link to — which requires someone to actually write one. Bearcat (talk) 03:01, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Artist
How do I get an artist on here. He was pivotal of the Ottawa music scene in the mid 1950s. Every member of Five Man Electrical Band played with him prior to them forming The Staccatos. Wayne Latendresse whose stage name was Wayne Tender, was very well known at the time.

He started to have a huge fan base not only in Ottawa but, also Pennsylvania and eastern United States. He would fill any venue even on a Wednesday afternoon. Talk with musicians of the time like Gary Comeau, Les Emmerson (Wayne actually taught him by climbing into Les' window at night). Wayne Tender died in his car on March 12, 1971 on way home in the wee hours after playing that night. Band names were The Parkways, Wayne Tender and the Playboys, Wayne Tender Trio, Wayne Tender Duo and Wayne Tender. He has been asked to step in when a band member couldn't make it, for example The Hi-Tones. He is in Jim Hurcomb's book "Rockin' On The Rideau; Ottawa's Golden Age Of Rock And Roll". His Facebook is facebook.com/waynetenderlatendresse.

Please email me at gary@latendressefamily.com for more information.

Thanks, Gary Latendresse FiveManRoadie (talk) 12:18, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

 * Links in this list must lead to existing articles. If Wayne Tender meets Wikipedia's notability criteria (see WP:MUSICBIO), you could create an article about him, preferably as a draft (see WP:DRAFT). — Chrisahn (talk) 17:56, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

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