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User talk:Gumr51

 * I replied at Wikisource_talk:What_is_Wikisource%3F, the first place it was mentioned. cygnis insignis 15:17, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Thank you very much!, I am actually enjoying this exercise, hope to be able to help and contribute, as you may have noticed, my primary interest is in adding WP archaeology articles.

 * FYI, I am communicating with stephen and have left some questions on his talk page.

 * It is basically explaining that I already have text and pictures extracted, and asking for details of what I need to do, to make them fit for WS. --Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 16:13, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Assistance required
During a recent trip to Nicaragua, I was given two historical books [Carl Bovallius (1886) and J. F. Bransford (1881)], already have the text in English ans Spanish (and pictures) need assistance to upload the text and pictures.

 * Is the 1886 book Nicaraguan Antiquities? If it is, that may save you from extra work. You can use that PDF to convert to a .djvu file that can be uploaded to Commmons for transcription here into a Wikisource article. Unfortunately, this is an area where my skill sets are still developing too -- but hopefully just having the PDF will be of help. George Orwell III (talk) 20:09, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

 * OK I see you have a handful of leads already in the same vein - lets try to group them together here in one place. George Orwell III (talk) 20:28, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Yes, that is one of the books, although the cover I have is different, but the text seems to be the same. I am certain I am newer than you are, so apologies if I ask some not very intelligent questions. I have the text in word, scanned from the book, together with pictures. I can convert to plain text. Do I still have to convert it back to PDF (which I can easily do) and then upload? Do I convert with pictures and all? I will still need some sort of step by step things to do.

 * I guess that when we figure the first, the second book will be easier. Thank you for the input and will try to keep all conversations here. --Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 21:38, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

 * The general idea is to upload scans of the original, edit then validate the content to match the text on the scanned pages and finally substitute the validated text into normal a WikiSource article(s) as desired to share with others or whatever you wish.
 * The most dynamic form of upload of the content would be a .DJVU file but .PDF files can also be uploaded. Even so, most .PDF files can be converted to .DJVU files so this differentiation is not really a big deal. The reason .DJVU files are prefered is that the related Index: will automatically create the individual page in the Page: namespace making the editing easier to share with others as well as insure accurate transcription of the text. Uploading individual pages of text, some 50 or so in the 1886 book, is not recommended but the illustrations or pictures found in the book are. I'll stop here and see if you follow all that first. George Orwell III (talk) 21:56, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Got it, it is starting to make sense, so do I get the images converted to PDF and then go to WS and upload the PDF file?--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 22:03, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

 * No, images are best uploaded as regular .JPG, .GIF, .TIFF, etc. files. Now to illustrate the above using an existing example please visit the Index: of the uploaded book as a .DJVU, Lectures on Modern History (1906) -- Index:Lectures on Modern History.djvu. To see one of the pages of Chapter 2 in that book in the Page: namespace see Page:Lectures on Modern History.djvu/78. Note that this is page 78 in the Indexed .DJVU file but page 52 in the original book. This offset is normal and is dealt with in the formating of the Index: page. At the top of the page you'll notice arrows allowing you to navigate forward and backward as if flipping through the pages of the book. To see the finished Chapter 2 and the transcribed substituted pages within, see Lectures on Modern History/The New World. I'll pause here again and wait for you to catch up. George Orwell III (talk) 22:25, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Sorry, up above I meant the scanned text images, converted to PDF and then uploading them. Was not talking about photographs. If this is the case, the images were trimmed and played with, for easier understanding of my OCR, when were converted to text, so they are not full pages and lost some of the top and bottom lines (references and titles). Actually I think I would prefer loading the text, page by page, if this is possible. It would not be difficult for me. I know I learn faster when playing the ropes. Is there a way I could start a trial exercise, perhaps it is not as complicated as I think it is.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 23:08, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Forgot to say thank you, for your effort in guiding me through this process and your patience.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 23:09, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

In clarifying something, if it is a must to upload PDF, just let me know, I will do it, even if I have to re-scan some pages. I know I am a little hard headed, but can easily reason.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 23:16, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Well I already set it up using the .DJVU mentioned in another discussion for you Index:Nicaraguan Antiquities (1886).djvu. Take a look at it. George Orwell III (talk) 00:02, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Woouuu, I am truly impressed. What is the next step, should I start, proof reding and editing the text? Thanks a million.--189.217.240.83 15:19, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, Page:Nicaraguan Antiquities (1886).djvu/9 has been proofread, and has a formatting template for the first letter, keep going with pages following and we can show what to next. Have fun, cygnis insignis 16:30, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

 * You bet I am enjoying this. Though having problems centering text and other edits. Just fixing to go back and add footnotes, just figured how to do it. --Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 16:34, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Help:Editing Wikisource should give the answer to most problems. If you see an author mentioned, you can make a link to the their page. Type: Dampier and this will show as Dampier. cygnis insignis 20:28, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

 * I have that page open on the side (work with three monitors). I already went through all pages, and about ready for pictures, need to know how to go about them. I think I got all pages up to date. Only need to look at the table numbers to match the book in the last three pages. --Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 22:17, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Help:Adding images, link any problems pages you have and I will show you what to do. cygnis insignis 22:25, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Continuation
It was getting to long to scroll down, will continue here. The problem pages are http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Nicaraguan_Antiquities_(1886).djvu/56 http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Nicaraguan_Antiquities_(1886).djvu/57 http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Nicaraguan_Antiquities_(1886).djvu/58

The problem is that page 56 has a numbered table, from 1 to 9, then the numbers should continue at page 57, wih 10 to 22, then on page 58 continue from 23 to 27 and the bottom items numbered from 24 to 28.

Already reviewed the Help:Adding images, have one question. Do I work with the pages already there, or should I try to clean up pictures on my computer and upload them? Also, can pages on Page:Nicaraguan Antiquities (1886).djvu/9 be deleted?--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 22:56, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * How to solve this will depend on your approach.

You could use hanging indent, but this also needs a workaround, it serves an outmoded purpose in the original formatting. The result will still contain the same double spacing, whereas the original had the same for new items: compare our transcription of paragraphs, and those given in the original scans. You will see what I mean when we put the whole chapter together. cygnis insignis 09:08, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) this wiki numbering # wont [easily] work when the pages are joined (transcluded) - they wont 'inherit' and continue the numbering.
 * 2) in any case, you don't want the auto numbering here, this page shows a skip from 23) to 29)
 * 3) Use two returns, an empty line, to separate the items on the list.

See you are progressing proof reading, keep it up. Already removed the bullets and tried to fix the format. Also noticed you are adding page numbers on top, tried to figure how you do it, if you tell me how to do it, I can go back and add them. Please see on the below chat, progress I am doing with the photographs, already uploaded a few, need to know if I should continue. --Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 16:04, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * When you edit a page you will see a button [+], click that to open the header and footer. If you go to your preferences, "my preferences" at the top of the page, there is a checkbox under 'gadgets', it says, "Show header and footer fields [+] when editing in the Page namespace. cygnis insignis 17:38, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Got it, page numbers have been included already. If there is anything else I could be doing let me know.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 20:34, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

 * I went and tried to fix the list problem above (traditional HTML). Seems to transclude fine (see Nicaraguan Antiquities) and with the right number order. Not sure about the double spacing thing - still renders as if without line breaks here. George Orwell III (talk) 00:14, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Looks great, I am impressed. Is this what the final work will look like? I am working on the pictures, already turned into black and white and cropped them, will start uploading into commons today.  Two questions: if we do changes into the pages, will these reflect automatically in Nicaraguan Antiquities? Also, can this link already be used in Wikipedia?. Thank for your help. --Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 14:25, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, what is referred to as 'transclusion'. Everything except the header and footer appears. Put s: at the beginning of the link at wikipedia and the # suffix will link the page: Nicaraguan Antiquities cygnis insignis 14:42, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Book from John Francis Bransford
Found the other book, Archaeological researches in Nicaragua, It is in the same condition as the other, have text and pictures in word.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 22:03, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Book from John Francis Bransford
George, this is an update on the work we are doing for the book http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Nicaraguan_Antiquities, it is progressing fine.

I would like to ask if you can please set up the second book on J.F. Bransford (the same way you prepared the first), so I can go to work on it. (http://books.google.com/books?id=MPG0GwAACAAJ&source=gbs_book_similarbooks).

Appreciate your help.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 16:41, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

 * The issue with that book is that it should be converted from a PDF to a DJVU file - something I struggle with myself. All I can offer is the help page on this, Help:DjVu files and seek out input from more expierenced members of WS. George Orwell III (talk) 19:37, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Understand, thanks for the input. Hopefully somebody will see this messages and jump in to help. Also, I am having diffculties getting somebody interested in Spanish WS, to add the spanish version of the book.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 13:18, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Carl Bovallius Book
Hi, I’m butting in here, as the book you are doing is interesting. I uploaded an image from the book to Wiki Commons, File:Bovaiala 0061Plate 1 -Nicaraguan antiquities.jpg. I uploaded the full version so the choice of size is up to the full resolution of dimension: 2398 x 3368. You can download it and crop/ enhance it, however you want. And replace it with a version of your own. But feel free to disregard! Best wishes, Mattisse (talk) 23:11, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Not at all Mattisse, this is suppossed to be a collaborative effort, and I can use the help, being new here, and somehow I hate to take too much of cygnis insignis time, I know he is busy. Actually, if you can help with the picture uploading, it will be appreciated. BTW, the author name is Bovallius. If you like this book, you will love the other book mentioned above. I have already been to Ometepe in Nicaragua, but after reading the books, made feel like going back and re-walking the places and looking for relatives of families mentioned there, etc.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 23:19, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Just saw it in the book. May I ask how did you do it? seems easier than having to upload the pictures from my computer. --Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 23:25, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

 * The only way I know how to get a high quality image is to download it from archive.org. Then I usually do a crude cleanup on my computer (I don’t have sophisticated image software), and upload it to the Commons. Then somehow it magically transfers to Wikisource. (That’s why I gave you the Commons link, so you can download it from there and enhance it as you want.  How would you like these pics  cropped and enhanced? I can do things like remove the background colouring, crop, sharpen etc.  I’d be happy to help!  Mattisse (talk) 23:33, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Great! I have all the pictures scanned and basically can do the same you can. I am not sure if we MUST clean up and crop the pictures or to what extent (somebody please ...). We can do one of two things, continue downloading the pictures, the way you did the first; or give me directions and I will do them. Also, if I upload them, I am not sure how should I name them to become attached to the book at the right place. Appreciate your help.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 00:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

 * I would do all those things, but be cautious with sharpen and fine detail. My rule of thumb is to attempt to separate the ink from the page, my crude fiddling with greyscale and white point adjust produces an acceptable image for these sources. There are tiff files (huge) if you want the best possible data, or to avoid jpg's shortcomings, but bear in mind the original is a machine produced reproduction. I also reckon that being slightly skewed, needing very slight rotation, sometimes needs adjustment; the lines of text reveal if a horizon is off by even the slightest degree. cygnis insignis 08:52, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

 * OK, already uploaded the following in commons. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Book_Nicaraguan_Antiquities_scan_page_61_A_Pl_1.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Book_Nicaraguan_Antiquities_scan_page_63_B_Pl_2.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Book_Nicaraguan_Antiquities_scan_page_65_B_Pl_3.jpg Of course these are jpg, please check quality and needs, question is if I should continue. I will discontinue for now, until I hear from you.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 16:09, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

 * They seem great. I would assume black and remove the background colour of the page, by converting to greyscale (grayscale, monochrome, black and white). Leaving the colour might suggest it was intentional. I also convert to the PNG file type, it often makes the file size larger, but sometimes reduces problems. Crop the image to leave the scale at left, but remove the other labels like plate numbers and captions - we can add them as regular text. Have a play around with these ideas, then do what you think works best. cygnis insignis 17:27, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok, all the pictures are there, except for the last three maps. Let me know what else can I do. I omitted a couple that I saw already in B&W, I added three duplicated (Book Nicaraguan Antiquities scan page 65 (b&w).png and Book Nicaraguan Antiquities scan page 63 B Pl 2.(b&w).png)

 * As an update, please note all the pictures have been placed on the book, had some difficulties with sizes, but managed to place them there, let me know if there is anything else I can do there to help.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 16:45, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Beautiful Work!
I greatly appreciate your work on Mexico! I too am fond of the subject as well as South America. Kindest regards, Maury (— William Maury Morris II  Talk 15:45, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

 * Thank you very much for your kind words, it is my plesure!--Raúl Gutiérrez

Old Mexico and Her Lost Provinces
Raúl, por favor, ¡ayúdame! aqui --

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:Mexico,_California_and_Arizona_-_1900.djvu

(Guillermo) — William Maury Morris II Talk 01:18, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Desde luego que si, cuenta con mi ayuda.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 16:06, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

 * Raúl, thank you for the help on the book about Old Mexico and her lost provinces. It is not like the professional books that you have transcribed. Those are wonderful! I want to get back and read more on those. Also, why have you placed archaeology as a "suspended" project? Everyone likes archaeology -- it is science and history. Where are you working on wikisource now? If you are not too busy would you mind helping on "proofreading" y "transcribing" the rest of the book where you have finished "validating"? Many thanks for any y all of your help, my friend,--Maury, in Texas (— William Maury Morris II Talk 21:41, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Texto en español
El texto en español lo pasé a wikisource en español, Page:Mexico as it was and as it is.djvu/104 -> es:Página:Mexico as it was and as it is.djvu/104, usando la transclusión interwiki mediante iwpage en en.wikisource y unos tags especiales en es.wikisource, de paso, el soneto también queda allá. Saludos Shooke (talk) 00:15, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * PD: linda experiencia trabajar por aca, me hace recordar a wikisource en italiano, a propósito, hace algún tiempo, hice los subtitulos de File:Wikimedia Italia - WikiGuida 3 - Wikisource.ogv, fijate si los podés ver, y decirme que tal está la traducción. Saludos Shooke (talk) 00:23, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

 * Excelente, cuando terminemos este libro lo pienso traducir al español, seria bueno poder usar esas paginas alla. Gracias!

 * La traduccion se ve bien. Saludos--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 17:52, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

 * acá es:Índice:Mexico as it was and as it is.djvu, fijate si está bien traducido el título, saludos Shooke (talk) 17:38, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Some hints
You had a lot patience at some of those pages with small print. At [//en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AMexico_as_it_was_and_as_it_is.djvu%2F343&diff=3675203&oldid=3668512 this edit] you will see that I have had a play. The important thing to note is how we handle footnotes, and which will enable them to be converted to endnotes when transcluded. There aer a couple of other little bits that we use that may be of interest. — billinghurst  sDrewth  04:31, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

 * Thank you for the input. Looks better. As far as footnotes,as these are * and not numbers, is the reason why we have been placing them as we have, I thought the idea was to replicate the original text as close as possible to the original.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 17:21, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

 * In reference to "? no greek" we cannot read those small and smeared letters. I really do not think anyone can. We discussed that situation in email. I suggested the only thing to do was let it go or clip out the small images of greek letters and insert small images inline with the text. I suspect and hope that you, billinghurst, were just marking a problem area in the text for some reason because I don't think you could read that greek either. It is also strange finding greek wording in a book about the ancient Aztec empire. The Spanish is difficult enough. — William Maury Morris II  Talk 17:42, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

 * In reference to [ref] I suppose that labour should fall upon me because Raúl, in Mexico City, is translating the entire book by himself into his native language of Spanish. He has that labour all to himself and perhaps one other at times on Spanish WikiSource (es.ws). I can see the value for the e-book version of [ref] but printed out it provides nothing. The old book is about ancient places and people with their culture when it was written. Too, I like the old symbols of the old paper books as viewed in what we are transcribing and translating. Some traditions [* †  ‡ §  || £  ] are nice to keep as attested to on my editor bar and below the editor bar where symbols, tildes, accents, &c. are located. Golly, there are already too many accent marks to insert in the Spanish language. ¿Es verdad? Vaya con Dios, — William Maury Morris II  Talk 18:22, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

 * There are people who will give it a good go to read the Greek and by using that template, they will find them in the one category and be able to transcribe. With regard to replication of a work, we are looking to replicate the work of the author, not necessarily the compositor's work.  In the work they are footnotes, however when we move to concatenated pages we gather them as endnotes, and having them all as asterisked endnotes would be problematic. — billinghurst  sDrewth  13:51, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

 * Understood. Never saw it like that and makes sense, however there are now hundreds of such cases in this book and on the previous one we made. Old Mexico and her lost provinces. Ideally we should get get somebody to help improving quality by making the changes.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 15:22, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Table
See in [], faltan algunas coasas, pero la estructura de la tabla ya está conformada, despues le sigo agregando filas como la de "United States", Shooke (talk) 00:52, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

 * Un millón de gracias. --Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 01:17, 9 March 2012 (UTC)site parece

 * Sorry by delay in table, see how look Shooke (talk) 12:12, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

 * Not a problem, do not worry about it. Looks great, I will check where I went wrong.Thank you very much.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 15:58, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Mexico, as it was and as it is
Hi, Can I suggest a change to the names of the subpages for this work? For example, /Letter 1 or /Letter 32 or /Appendix 1. The main reason for this suggestion is that it will be easier to link to the subpages from other parts of the work and other works if they are called by the names the work uses. If you are happy with this suggestion, I can move the pages for you. Then the Table of Contents can be wikilinked as well. Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 02:40, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

 * Certainly, I appreciate any effort to improve the work. Still need help in finishing the last pages, with a format sample that could be used. Also there is a page on the VirgendeGuadalupe that was written in spanish, and somehow the english version does not recognize it. Regards.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 14:55, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * For the index pages, I suggest they are cleaned up, validated and then drop a message to User:Phe who has a special way of looking after Indices, so that the page numbers become links. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 23:51, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Here is another, although perhaps unimportant situation. It is that most all images were cleaned and uploaded by me to here http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/William_Maury_Morris_II. I just came from the Sister Commons Link where it shows "Category: Mexico as it was and is", and therein lies but 2 images placed there by Theornamentalist. This book that the three of us worked on has a lot of beautiful hand-drawn images but only two are in that Category shown in the link. Can you, Beeswaxcandle, or someone else, move all images to at least one location? The present link to sister commons with "Category" only shows two illustrations. The book was chosen in a great part due to those fantastic illustrations. I do not know if moving any of them matters or not but again, the present link, which must exist for some reason, links only to the first 2 images. The 1st is nothing but a symbol rather than an illustrated work. The area was created by Theornamentalist when he was setting-up the book for Raul and I to work on. I was not aware that area existed when I started uploading the many images throughout this book. Maury <<— William Maury Morris II Talk 20:17, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry for delay in response, I got caught up in RL. All that has to happen to "move" the images is that the Category is added to the image files that you uploaded. I'll get on to moving the mainspace pages now. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 19:23, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * All images that I uploaded for this book are under Category: History of Mexico or Category: Aztec, or both categories as long as they fit both categories. Thank you, Beeswaxcandle, for your consideration. We three enjoyed working together and I now have a new friend "Gumr51" (Raúl Gutiérrez) in Mexico City. Just think of it, nation-to-nation international cooperation. I don't know but I would venture a guess that WikiSource (en) does not have a lot of that. — William Maury Morris II  Talk 21:55, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I wasn't clear on what I meant. To have the images show up in the "Mexico as it was and is" category on commons, the category will need to be added to all the image files. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 23:51, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

OK, I've just completed a first run through all the mainspace pages and tidied up the page breaks so that the text flows smoothly. I'm sure there's some stuff that I've missed, so someone else needs to have a look through too. It was interesting seeing how your WS skills developed as you moved through the book. I've also had a go at a few of the tables. Some of the other tables still need working on as they don't look good on my PC (the coding is also more complex than it needs to be). I'll get to these from time to time amongst some other tasks. Thanks for what is an interesting work. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:22, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Thanks a million Beeswaxcandle, yu have a wonderful attitude towards cooperative work, which is highly required. and thank you Maury. --Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 14:38, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

 * For whatever it is worth, you are welcome for my part, Raul. But I feel bad, very bad, that Beeswaxcandle had to do all that he has done with our mistakes -- it really does bother me. He is a perfectionist and should not have to toy around with our simple mistakes. In all that I have seen, and watched him doing, he could have done the entire book himself and without mistakes like ours. But when we were working on that book we were unaware of what we did not get right. We thought we were doing right. Still, we have learned from our many mistakes and I suppose that is worth something.

All involved worked on this book as a team. We did this because we like doing it. In the long run of things we must remember this and also that we are doing this for others we do not know and for future generations. The book itself IS wonderful and the illustrations are superb from a long ago past -- scenes that we shall never see -- scenes we would never know, knowledge we would never known if not for that book and our saving it in this new format. -- Maury ((— William Maury Morris II Talk 18:12, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Welcome Back Raul !!!
Food for the Gods is an excellent little book. Who doesn't like chocolate!?

Very respectfully,

Maury ( —  William Maury Morris II  Talk 05:58, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much, but I was not gone, simply waiting for something interesting we can work on.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 14:08, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

 * What? You have just been relaxing all of this time?  Yes, I know, way up in Canada.  I have emailed you links to about a dozen good illustrated books that we can work on.  Others uploaded the "Food for the Gods" book and I have just been editing it--as opposed to nothing else interesting to me until recently I spent some time looking for illustrated historical / archaeological works as seen in those links I sent to you.  A Canadian friend of mine stated he is going to do all of the images and I have seen that he has placed them in a category but not in place where they go in the book.  I have just logged in and do not yet know all that has taken place. Personally I think others will take of the chocolate book and I prefer getting to business with one of the other books we have been writing about.  Is your editor program working okay now or do you still have those problems you mentioned?  Hasta luego y vaya con Dios, mi amigo, —  William Maury Morris II  Talk 15:09, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the links, very interesting. I like your plan,will finish the photo pages in the cocoa book and will continue on one of our choices, just let me know. Sent a message to Chris, to see if he can help me sort it out. Muy bien mi amigo, tu también.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 15:30, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

 * Raúl, we have two books on Mexico now and the previously mentioned "Food For the Gods" has been completed. Why have you not yet joined in on the three of these books? I hope that you are not feeling sick. Vaya con Dios. -- Guillermo, —  William Maury Morris II  Talk 15:22, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

 * Guillermo, I have not been able to solve the problem I have with marking proofread, Chris has not responded. Also been a little busy reading a large book. Fortunately all is good over here, so let me know where are you working and will start helping out. Tu amigo mexicano.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 15:35, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

I just came back from http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapter-selected_Board_seats/2012/Candidates#Statement_of_support reading this and you are an amazing person. If I had seen all of those languages you can handle previously when I went there I wouldn't feel as stunned as I do now! Did you get that position? It is incredible how much you have done with your life. Chris often does not answer so he probably is dating a girl. That changes us all. For that editor you have, perhaps you should contact user:Billinghurst here because he knows a lot and has been here for many years. You do not have to mark "proofread" just to edit text -- just edit but at the bottom you can write "proofread" that will show up on the watchlist and then someone else, like me or others, can mark it "proofread". I will post the two books here next. Each is about Mexico and heavily illustrated. I love the illustrations. Feel free to work on any portion of either book you prefer. By the way, these two books do something strange with spanish words. When there is a tilde ~ they use a different and unfamiliar symbol like a small u shaped curve, and not a tilde, that I have never seen used in spanish. Please let me know what that is. Most respectfully, Guillermo ( — William Maury Morris II  Talk 15:56, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Raul: Aquí hay dos libros
Guillermo: This is getting to complicated, will send you an email.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 19:05, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:Face_to_Face_With_the_Mexicans.djvu

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:Our_Sister_Republic_-_Mexico.djvu

 * I feel your comments are undeserved,

[ That's okay, I do. -- Guillermo, —  William Maury Morris II  Talk 16:13, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

I am a regular good looking red skin anahuaca indian.

[ Nah, you don't have a feather in your -- you don't have hair to put a feather in :) ]

Glad you did not question my good looks.....

 * [Didn't want to lose a good friend :) Nah, I already know you're a pretty boy because you keep telling telling me. :)  In seriousness, you are a handsome fellow but I am too and my eyes are Anglo-gringo sky-blue. —  William Maury Morris II  Talk 17:03, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

 * Yes, but it is only my opinion that counts...--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 18:04, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

 * I thought it is your wife's opinion that really counts.— William Maury Morris II  Talk 18:31, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

 * You show "bilingual" on your page but I counted 9 languages! and that's almost as good as Maximilian and Carlotta had one more than good ole Max. — William Maury Morris II  Talk 17:03, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

 * The truth is that I only speak fluently two. I know many words and expressions on many other, but cannot actually speak them.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 18:04, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

 * In my world, it is easier to read another language than speak another language but this is only because I am not around people that speak another language. Then there are those slangs and people's accents to contend with. I notice that Portuguese looks similar to Spanish.

 * Oh! Those "causeways" los indios had and Cortez used -- well, I read in one of these new/old books that they are "modern roads" now! Is this still true today? The books are old.— William Maury Morris II  Talk 17:03, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

 * Need to get into the book, and see what they are talking about, many of the old roads used then, remain today, although completely different. Just last sunday, I showed some gringo friends the stone monument that shows the place where Cortes and Moctezuma met for the first time.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 18:04, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

 * Do you have a photo of the stone monument? I recall you have some beautiful photographs. What is the definition of "Gutiérrez" in English? My wife said she will allow me to come visit you in Mexico City. She said, "Sure, drive on", but I distrust how quickly she said that and I thought she may have meant "Drive away" and stay away. I also thought of the drug wars down there and one war was more than enough for me. Besides, I don't know how to shoot in Spanish other than "!Fuego!" and "No mas(more) Fuego" and that's for firing squads. How far do you live from where good ole Maximilian was murdered? Did any of your ancestors shoot him? It cost Matthew Fontaine Maury a good job down there as Imperial Commissioner of Immigration. He and his eldest son, Richard, were building colonies (New Virginia y Carlotta colonies) for gringo Confederates who were homeless after the American Un-civil War. Max never wanted that position. He was happy where he lived in Austria but Napoleon pushed at him as did a Mexican group that assured he was wanted to create a new Mexico. — William Maury Morris II  Talk 18:31, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Did not get appointed, because in my opinion they were not looking for qualifications, but for a politician, and I am not one, besides they were appointed by Chapters from around the world and I self nominated myself. Let me know about the books, it will be my pleasure to help out. Will look into the funny characters and let you know my opinion.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 16:06, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

[That's okay too. Politicians get shot for their beliefs and/or deeds --Guillermo, — William Maury Morris II  Talk 16:13, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

images for book

 * Raul, here is where a friend in Canada placed images for the book, "Food for the Gods". If you wish to insert these where they belong go ahead. Gracias, — William Maury Morris II  Talk 16:40, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

 * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Food_of_the_Gods:_Cocoa_(book)

Aztec "causeways"
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Face_to_Face_With_the_Mexicans.djvu/164

pagina 164

"The great causeways are still in use as leading highways, and the streets are laid out in symmetrical lines, running at right angles—north and south, east and west. Each side of a block has its individual name, but often the same is applied to three or four squares consecutively—as the three San Franciscos, the two Calles Plateros, "streets of the silversmiths," and the first, second, third, and fourth Providencias. A narrow street is called a callcjon. An effort has recently been made to change this puzzling method by giving the same name to a street throughout its entire length." — William Maury Morris II  Talk 18:40, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

 * Amigo, por favor, see e-mail and please reply via e-mail. Gracias, Guillermo, — William Maury Morris II  Talk 18:45, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

 * Buen dia mi amigo. Have not received any emails from you, please make sure you send to the cablevision address, hotmail seems to be not working.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 18:49, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

 * ✅ —  William Maury Morris II  Talk 19:03, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

 * Tu razon; Tu tiene razon? Es correcto, hotmail isn't working for me either. — William Maury Morris II  Talk 19:08, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

 * Tu tienes razón o Usted tiene razón. Either was I can understand.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 19:12, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

 * Do those ancient Aztec causeways mentioned above with a link exist as roads today? The history and architecture of your nation today and more so long ago with the Aztec people is fascinating. I read about some of the situations in gringo books and encyclopedias when I was about age 12-14 and have been fascinated ever since. — William Maury Morris II  Talk 20:01, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

 * Yes they do, when I getto these and can identifify "modern" roads on them, will let you know.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 20:07, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

 * Raúl, thank you for the validations you have done. It is very difficult to get validations done. There is an old saying, "A friend in need is a friend indeed". Happy Holidays mi amigo, —Maury (talk) 15:07, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

You should know that to help a friend it is always a pleasure.. Likewise in the holiday season.

 * Raúl, thank you once again and this time for completing those validations. —Maury (talk) 16:06, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Take your hat and coat off and stay awhile
Welcome home! re: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:Cassell%27s_Illustrated_History_of_England_vol_1.djvu   —Maury (talk) 01:41, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Clipper Ship Era
Thank you for the work you have done on the Clipper Ship book. Presently I cannot contact you via e-mail because my computer is in the repair shop. It locked up when my wife was using it and email addresses were on it. I am using a laptop that is new and I am new to using a laptop. Kindest regards my friend, —Maury (talk) 01:35, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help Gumr51. Those tables were killing me. Moondyne (talk) 07:40, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Not a problem, it is a pleasure for me to work with you guys.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 14:44, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

importante
Have you read the emails I have sent to you including about Canada? Please email me. —Maury (talk) 15:37, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Mexico of the Mexicans
(I’m coming from User:EncycloPetey’s talk page) Actually, what is the problem with the transclusion? I’ve not found any, but you know better. :) Regards,—Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 14:47, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

 * The problem is that I can go to chapter two andthree, but cannot go back. Also the chapters do not appear as existing on the first page. Down below the only one that appears as existing is Chapter I; II and II show in red as non existing. I know I am doing something wrong in the transclusion. Thanks for your help.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 17:41, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

 * I think I’ve fixed it now, please go and check it. On chapters 2 and 3, the links to the previous pages were not given. The reason the other chapters were redlinked was because the links given on the contents page were not given correctly. Ta,—Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 18:02, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

 * Beautiful, yes it works. Will go and see what I did later, but thanks a million.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 18:07, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

In case you're curious
Hi Raul,

I created a series of tables to see if your original multicolumn layout on Page:Mexico, Aztec, Spanish and Republican, Vol 1.djvu/15 can be visually improved upon. After completing the "circle" of possibilities ON THIS PAGE, I came to the conclusion that an exact appearance is not possible with tables, in addition that table design is a much longer process.

So, I modified your original, and managed to replicate the original, as follows.

.
 * 1) Enclosed the  with to eliminate the
 * 1) Enclosed the with a   with the following parameters:
 * 2) width:430px = overall width to be the same Page namespace text width.
 * 3) sm90 = 90% of the standard font size
 * 4) lh12 = line height of 120% (standard line height is 140%)
 * 5) mc = centered on page - main or page namespace
 * 6) added back the hyphenated words as in the original.
 * 7) reduced the  indent from the standard 2em to 1em.

I hope this helps — Ineuw talk 20:41, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

 * It certainly helps, will review in closer detail later,but in the meantime, muchas gracias senor.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 20:47, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

proofread but table is needed
Hi Raul, Please consider that since most of the pages need a table or two, it's best that you proofread the text including the tables' text - but not the numbers. They should be erased because it's quicker to re-type than move them out of the way and then copy and paste. When the page text is proofread, don't bother to mark it as "problematic". Instead, leave it as it is (red) and add the following text proofread but table is needed. This gives more information to anyone interested in helping.— Ineuw talk 22:14, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

 * Please forgive me for bothering you . . . again, but I should point out the differences between lower case "small capitals" and reduced size capitalized text:

 * I believe that most were capitalized texts enclosed by the smaller template. — Ineuw talk 22:42, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Horizontal

Vertical

Replies to your questions
Hi, I placed the replies in Page talk:Mexico, Aztec, Spanish and Republican, Vol 2.djvu/178.— Ineuw talk 21:22, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi to you too. Muchas gracias senor Imre.— Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 21:48, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Some of your contributions need to be added to the Portal:Mexico page
Hi. Your contributions were sorted as promised. Please copy the missing relevant (if any) titles to the Portal:Mexico page. Thanks. — Ineuw talk 05:05, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Muchas gracias señor Inew, much appreciated. Will review and suggest some modifications later. — Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 16:05, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * For me, ordering your contributions list was just a break from proofreading. It's for you to mull over how you want to organize yourself. Face-smile.svg.— Ineuw talk 06:51, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Automated import of openly licensed scholarly articles
Hello Gumr51,

We are putting together a proposal about the automated import of openly licensed scholarly articles, and since you are an active Wikisourceror, we'd appreciate yourcomments on the Scriptorium. For convenience, I'm copying our proposal here:
 * The idea of systematically importing openly licensed scholarly articles into Wikisource has popped up from time to time. For instance, it formed the core of WikiProject Academic Papers and is mentioned in the Wikisource vision. However, the Wikiproject relied on human power, never reached its full potential, and eventually became inactive. The vision has yet to materialise.
 * We plan to bridge the gap through automation. We are a subset of WikiProject Open Access (user:Daniel Mietchen, user:Maximilanklein, user:MattSenate), and we have funding from the Open Society Foundations via Wikimedia Deutschland to demo suitable workflows at Wikimania (see project page).
 * Specifically, we plan to import Open Access journal articles into Wikisource when they are cited on Wikipedia. The import would be performed by a group of bots intended to make reference handling more interoperable across Wikimedia sites. Their main tasks are:
 * (on Wikipedia) signalling which references are openly licensed, and link them to the full text on Wikisource, the media on Commons and the metadata on Wikidata;
 * (on Commons) importing images and other media associated with the source article;
 * (on Wikisource) importing the full text of the source article and embedding the media in there;
 * (on Wikidata) handling the metadata associated with the source article, and signalling that the full text is on Wikisource and the media on Commons.
 * These Open Access imports on Wikisource will be linked to and from other Wikimedia sister sites. Our first priority though will be linking from English Wikipedia, focusing on the most cited Open Access papers, and the top-100 medical articles.
 * In order to move forward with this, we need
 * General community approval
 * Community feedback on workflows and scrutiny on our test imports in specific.
 * Bot permission. For more technical information read our bot spec on Github.

Maximilianklein (talk) 18:27, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

 * Hello Maximilianklein, In principle sounds like a great thing to do and very positive for the sake of WS, I had some licensing issues in the past, and this could help eliminate some of them. Will try to review all the links and contents and provide further comments later, although I do not see anything negative about it. Go for it!Regards— Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 18:54, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Font templates for whole pages
Hi Raul. It's nice to see you back.

In volume 2 of the Mexico in 1827, when you apply reduced font sizes to whole pages and/or just spanning several paragraphs, it best to enclose the text using fs90/s and fs90/e. Where the font size change spans pages, place the start code fs90/s in the header and the fs90/e end code in the footer, as it was done here. The reason for this is that when the pages are transcluded to the main name space the text is becomes wrapped by a single set of open and close template since headers and footers are omitted. Please see THIS PAGE for a partial page span on how the font template is applied. The template fs90 is best used for a paragraph.

 * Thanks Imre, but I am not fully back yet, still busy with other work. Appreciate the message and help, certainly saves a lot of work and improves quality.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 18:35, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Think I completed the transclusion of Mexico in 1827/Volume 1 but it's best if you can look at the pages if they are OK. — Ineuw talk 11:00, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Mexico in 1827/Volume 2 update
Just to let you know. Volume 2 is not transcluded to the Main ns as yet, but I am working on the TOC as promised. and will prepare the layout at at later date. — Ineuw talk 18:52, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

 * Noticed it is completed, muchas gracias senor Imre la humanidad le agradece su trabajo.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 13:44, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

New Proposal Notification - Replacement of common main-space header template
Announcing the listing of a new formal proposal recently added to the Scriptorium community-discussion page, Proposals section, titled:

 * • Switch header template foundation from table-based to division-based

The proposal entails the replacement of the current Header template familiar to most with a structurally redesigned new Header template. Replacement is a needed first step in series of steps needed to properly address the long time deficiencies behind several issues as well as enhance our mobile device presence.

There should be no significant operational or visual differences between the existing and proposed Header templates under normal usage (i.e. Desktop view). The change is entirely structural -- moving away from the existing HTML all Table make-up to an all Div[ision] based one.

Please examine the testcases where the current template is compared to the proposed replacement. Don't forget to also check Mobile Mode from the testcases page -- which is where the differences between current header template & proposed header template will be hard to miss.

For those who are concerned over the possible impact replacement might have on specific works, you can test the replacement on your own by entering edit mode, substituting the header tag   with   and then previewing the work with the change in place. Saving the page with the change in place should not be needed but if you opt to save the page instead of just previewing it, please remember to revert the change soon after your done inspecting the results.

Your questions or comments are welcomed. At the same time I personally urge participants to support this proposed change. -- George Orwell III (talk) 02:04, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

A new book on Guatemala
Uploaded this book to be added to our collection The Annals of the Cakchiquels. Whenever you get back. :-) Ineuw (talk) 04:49, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 * How are you doing my friend? We could start working on this Guatemala book if you wish, I can promise to put in an hour or two a day if you are game...--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 13:22, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Cough-cough, —Maury (talk) 02:14, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Welcome back. If William did not bring your post to my attention, I would have never known. As for collaborating, I am most happy to do so, but please remember that we have one more book about Mexico (2 volumes) to complete, which is our most challenging project up to date). Please choose which one you prefer to do. — Ineuw talk 18:14, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you Maury. Yes I realize the backlog we have, already started working on the Conquest of Mexico. Feels good to be here, although not sure how long.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 23:04, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome. Do you still have the same email? I have written to you and got no reply. I finished one of y'all's books today (Maximilian) and added text for the messed up page 77. I have also been working on the two volume title, volume 1. They are interesting! --William aka —Maury (talk) 23:14, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, have the same e-mail, many thanks my friend, been busy im other tasks, but trying to get back here.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 23:23, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Well, ye have vacationed enough now so back to the salt mines with Ye. Vol.1 and Vol 2. are now done as far as needing to be validated. I've just come from those salt mines. William aka —Maury (talk) 00:08, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

 * Raúl, did you get my e-mail from my private account to your private .mx account? -- Maury
 * Not sure, when did you send it? I am not at home right now, will check mail tonight and let you know.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 16:49, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * According to the mail receipt I sent you read it-- "was read on 8/4/2015 1:19 PM." -- Maury
 * Are you checking up on me? Not sure I like it.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 12:24, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * A mail receipt just lets a person know if the mail sent gets there. Everyone has that option so sender knows systems are working. You are hardly incognito to me nor I to you. Remember Chiapas &c. —Maury (talk) 16:18, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Follow up to you image question of the Conquest of Mexico
Look at the bottom of this page and you'll see the image names pasted in there. The page was not yet created so clicking "Save" does not require a summary. — Ineuw talk 00:51, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

A minor matter of your signature
Hi.

I uploaded the missing image, but there is something wrong with the beginning of you your signature https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_Conquest_of_Mexico_Volume_1.djvu/278 -- where the hyphenation touches the end of the pasted link and only you can correct this. Click on the link below to see what I mean.

PLEASE CLICK ON THIS LINK TO UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM.
 * my friend, we are missing image. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_Conquest_of_Mexico_Volume_1.djvu/278--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 13:46, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

— Ineuw talk 17:34, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Imre, not sure what you mean by this message abut my signature, please help --Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 19:46, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * Nothing serious. When you paste a web address link, you need to terminate it with a space. Otherwise, any character attached to the end of the web address becomes part of it. Just click it and the problem is self explanatory. — Ineuw talk 21:25, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

 * Understand,thanks--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 08:01, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

References of the Conquest of Mexico pages
Hi. We collided on the edit of this page, when I redefined the links pointing to the references, and not vice versa. Although we can do it both ways, please let's discuss this. Please see this page.— Ineuw talk 18:04, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello there
Hello my friend! —Maury (talk) 16:39, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

 * Greetings my old friend, how are you doing.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 16:50, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

 * Raúl, bueños dias mi amigo. Yo had to go y look a este, Index:The Story of Mexico.djvu Es una libro bueno! Would you like por mi a validente las paginas por tu y usted validate paginas por mi--desde tu have finished su libro ahora trabajando? Por favor, no escriba aqui, email, si or no. —Maury (talk) 09:54, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

 * Sorry, my English above is a bit rusty but I have validated your book and mine is already done. —Maury (talk) 21:58, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Saved your work of the index on it's talk page
Page talk:The Conquest of Mexico Volume 2.djvu/483 — Ineuw talk 19:15, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Conquest of Mexico index
. Hi. I am posting this here hoping for some community input to prove me wrong.

Linking to subjects is the #1 issue before considering the layout format. This would require reading both volumes and finding the index entries, because there is no indication as to which volume the page numbers refer to. Although, I assume that the Roman numerals refer to Volume I.

If they refer to both volumes, then none of examples on Beeswaxcandle's talk page are useful. User:Hesperian/i's system is very neat but it can only manage a single volume.

If anchoring is abandoned then, the three column index can be accomplished in the page namespace, by using the column template. It would need a custom designed hanging indent to reduce the space between paragraphs, which is not a problem. Even so, it will end up as a single column in the main namespace. Please study the implementation of the tags in the page namespace and their effect in the main namespace. — Ineuw talk 16:33, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Three column index

 * Hi Hesperian, the best expert advise still remaining in the space, is my good frien Ineuw. Regards--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 17:49, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Hi Raul. Welcome back to your "home away from home". --Maury (talk) 16:36, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Thank you my dear Maury, all the best.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 17:01, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

The next project
Hi Raul,

I would like to complete the backlog of books about Mexico and this book has been uploaded to Wikisource for awhile. Perhaps we can finish this next? Index:The Mexican Problem (1917).djvu — Ineuw talk 00:55, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Certainly, sounds good. will get into it as soon as we finishe the previous one. Tkhs.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 14:04, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Validated some. Hope you don’t mind. --Maury (talk) 22:05, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Not at all, thank you very much my dear friend.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 14:07, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

 * Hi Raul, Happy Holidays my friend! You didn’t think *I* would forget you did you? Viva Chiapas y la gente! —Maury (talk) 09:43, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

 * My dear friend Maury, thank you very much and likewise, all the best in the season to you and your family. --Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 14:05, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Table style shorthands
"style" is an HTML element of the wiki markup language, which is also based on HTML.

The templates Table style, or better known as ts, contains a list of the existing properties and their values.

is an HTML tag which also uses the 'style' attribute extensively. So, when you see

The title pages' first paragraph was enclosed in the   tag as:

   Which is translated to

style="width:96%; margin:auto; align:justify; line-height:130%; padding-left:1.0em; text-indent:-1.0em; padding-bottom:1em;

 * width:96%; means that the block of text excluding the hanging indent is 96% wide the possible page width. The 4% is allotted to the hanging indent. If the block of text is 100%, then the 4% hanging indent is in addition to it.

 * margin:auto; means that all sides have equal margins, which keep the block in center of the page

 * align:justify; means that the block of text is justified on both margins.

 * line-height:130%; standard line height is 140%. 130% "squeezes" the rows, making the characters look smaller without actually reducing the standard font size.

 * padding-left:1.0em;text-indent:-1.0em; is the 1em hanging indent.

 * padding-bottom:1em; the block of text is padded on the bottom, making unnecessary.

I hope this helps. — Ineuw talk 00:18, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Indexes:Life in Mexico vol 1 and 2 are not a matching set
If Index:Life in Mexico vol 1.djvu contains both volumes then Page:Life in Mexico vol 1.djvu/237 should be the beginning of Volume 2 ("Letter the twenty seventh" (Chapter 27). This is the same starting chapter number of volume 2. Subtracting the number of pages from this page to the end of the volume 1 there are 223 pages.

Index:Life in Mexico vol 2.djvu "Letter the twenty-seventh" (Chapter 27) begins at Page:Life in Mexico vol 2.djvu/21 and counting the number of pages to the end of the volume 2, there are 433 pages. So something is definitely wrong.

For one, the books are by two different publishers. So I recommend to stop proofreading both volumes and find the missing matched volumes either to one or the other, and see why there is such a huge discrepancy. in Volume 2. — Ineuw talk 06:32, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Table style codes
Hi,

At the bottom of your home page, I placed a link to the codes, so that you have easy reference access. Anyone adding a new code shortcut, will be displayed here as well.

In fact, after updating your recent table designs in Pictures of Mexico, I added a new shortcut code = ptb1 which pads the top and the bottom of a cell by 1em. There is another code ptb.5 which pads the top and the bottom of a cell by .5em.

I haven't had the time to yet assemble an explanation of the codes we use for tables, but will get to it, hopefully soon. — Ineuw talk 09:34, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

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over what would be a paragraph break. These can generally be replaced with smaller block/s and smaller block/e (or alterantively fine block/s fine block/e as long as either is used consistently) for the start and end of the text in a smaller font-size respectively.
 * 1)  over a paragraph break.  italic block/s and italic block/e should be used if there is an extended  run of italic text over many pages, or the italic formatting applied to each relevant paragraph in turn.
 * 2) HTML tags have to nest correctly.    won't work.

I also note that in places what is italicised in the translation, doesn't seem to necessarily match with the scan, If there is a definite choice to italicise differently a comment in the relavant Page: would be useful, to contributors attempting to repair the transcription/translation. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:29, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

title: User talk:Gumr51


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recent work of Mr. and Mrs. Routledge has given a fresh stimulus to the perennial interest of anthropologists in Easter Island and its statues. The additions to our knowledge concerning the statues and their manufacture, which this work has made, allow us to formulate more definitely than before the relation of these objects to other expressions of Oceanic workmanship.

The first point to notice in Mrs. Routledge’s description of the statues is that they are of two kinds; one, associated with the burial-places or ahu; the other, either lining roads which may have had some ceremonial function, or situated in isolated spots about the island. A point which is probably of great significance is that only the statues of the ahu or burial-places are surmounted by the objects for which Mrs. Routledge uses the convenient term “crown.” The statues on the roads and those in isolated situations do not possess these crowns.

I propose at first to confine my attention to the statues of the ahu, and I will begin by calling attention to another significant discovery of the Routledges. There are two chief kinds of burial-place with three less frequent varieties, including one in the form of a canoe. The statues only occur on one of the two chief kinds where they stand on stone platforms to which lead sloping structures of stone, containing vaults, upon which were placed the wrapped bodies of the dead. The burial-places of the second chief

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 man's Magazine’ (1745, pp. 102–3) as by G. Walmsley of ‘Sid. Coll. Camb.,’ and sometimes attributed to Gilbert Walmisley, is no doubt by Galfridus Walmsley, B.A. from that college in 1746. Some correspondence between Garrick and Johnson and Walmisley is printed in Garrick's ‘Private Correspondence’ (i. 9–12, 44–5), and in Johnson's ‘Letters,’ ed. Hill (i. 83 sq.).

[Foster's Alumni Oxon.; Nichols's Lit. Anecd. ii. 315, iii. 650, viii. 467; Boswell's Johnson, ed. Hill, i. 81–3, 101–2, ii. 467; Johnson's Letters, ed. Hill, ii. 49; Johnsonian Miscell., ed. Hill, ii. 416; Boswell's Johnson, ed. Croker, 1848 edit., pp. 19, 24, 27–8; Gent. Mag. 1751 p. 380, 1797 ii. 811; Harwood's Lichfield, pp. 78–9, 298; Ormerod's Cheshire, ed. Helsby, i. 725–6; Shaw's Staffordshire, i. 289, 300, 308; Miss Seward's Poems and Letters, 1810, vol. i. pp. lxix–lxxiii.]

WALMISLEY, THOMAS ATTWOOD (1814–1856), musician, born at Westminster on 21 Jan. 1814, was the son of Thomas Forbes Walmisley [q. v.] He showed early aptitude for music under his father's guidance, and studied the higher branches under his godfather, Thomas Attwood [q. v.], organist to St. Paul's Cathedral. In his seventeenth year Walmisley became organist to St. John the Baptist Church at Croydon, which was destroyed by fire in 1871; and in 1832 he was approached by Monck Mason to write English opera. But as Walmisley had arranged to go up to Cambridge, he declined Mason's offer, and on 1 Feb. 1833 was elected organist to Trinity and St. John's colleges, Cambridge. At the former he effected some improvements in the organ which ‘were not only innovations, but were so unique as to constitute our organ an object of curiosity for many years to come’ (cf. ‘Hist. of the Organ in the Chapel of Trinity College,’ by Mr. G. F. Cobb in Trident, 1890). Walmisley himself wrote an article on some of the Cambridge organs in the ‘Cambridge Portfolio.’

A short time after settling in Cambridge Walmisley graduated Mus. Bac., his exercise being a psalm, ‘Let God arise;’ and, wishing to graduate also in arts, he entered at Corpus Christi College, but migrated to Jesus before taking the degree of B.A. in 1838, and proceeding M.A. in 1841. In 1834 he wrote a fine anthem, ‘O give thanks,’ for the commemoration at Trinity, in which year he also composed his great service in B flat. In the following year he composed the ode for the installation of the Marquis of Camden as chancellor of the University, Malibran being one of the solo singers on the occasion, and Sir George Thomas Smart [q. v.] the conductor. In 1836, on the death of John Clarke-Whitfeld [q. v.], Walmisley succeeded to the professorial chair of music, the office then being practically a sinecure. Walmisley instituted a system of lectures, in one of which he prophesied the ultimate supremacy of Bach's music, then almost unknown in England. Between 1838 and 1854 Walmisley wrote several anthems and services, including ‘If the Lord Himself,’ one of his finest works, 1840; ‘Ponder my words,’ written for the reopening of Jesus College chapel in 1849; ‘Blessed is he,’ in five parts, for the choir benevolent fund, 1854; the service in D (1843); that in B flat for double choir. Nearly all Walmisley's compositions were unpublished till after his death, when they were edited by his father, who survived him. In 1844 Walmisley compiled and published a book of words of anthems in use at various Cambridge colleges and a collection of chants (1845). In July 1847 he composed music for Wordsworth's ode, ‘For thirst of power,’ for the installation of the prince consort as chancellor of the university, and in 1853 he published his edition of Attwood's ‘Cathedral Music,’ and at one time or another he adapted some works by Mendelssohn and Hummel for English use.

In 1848 Walmisley took his degree of Mus. Doc. He was a prodigious worker, his services as organist occupying him on Sundays at one time from 7.15 a.m. to 6.15. He died at Hastings on 17 Jan. 1856, and is buried at Fairlight, a neighbouring village. Walmisley's secular compositions, in addition to those already mentioned, are few in number, and include a symphony of which Mendelssohn is said to have spoken disparagingly; a couple of beautiful madrigals, ‘Slow, fresh fount,’ and ‘Sweet flowers;’ a number of duets for oboe and pianoforte, only one of which appears to have been published, and some organ pieces. Walmisley was a distinguished church-music composer and magnificent organist. A brass tablet to his memory is in the ante-chapel, Trinity College, Cambridge.

[A biographical sketch of T. A. Walmisley, by J. S. Bumpus, appeared in Musical News, 24 Feb. and 3 March 1894; authorities quoted in the text; British Museum Catalogue of Music; Cambridge University Calendar; Grove's Dict. of Music and Musicians, passim.]

WALMISLEY, THOMAS FORBES (1783–1866), glee composer and organist, third son of William Walmisley, clerk of the papers to the House of Lords, was born in Union (now St. Margaret's) Street, Westminster, 22 May 1783. He, like all his brothers, was a chorister in Westminster Abbey, and he was a scholar at Westminster


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 * (a) Except as provided in subsection (b), the court shall confirm a plan if—
 * (1) The plan complies with the provisions of this chapter and with the other applicable provisions of this title;
 * (2) any fee, charge, or amount required under chapter 123 of title 28, or by the plan, to be paid before confirmation, has been paid;
 * (3) the plan has been proposed in good faith and not by any means forbidden by law;
 * (4) the value, as of the effective date of the plan, of property to be distributed under the plan on account of each allowed unsecured claim is not less than the amount that would be paid on such claim if the estate of the debtor were liquidated under chapter 7 of this title on such date;
 * (5) with respect to each allowed secured claim provided for by the plan—
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 * (I) the holder of such claim retain the lien securing such claim until the earlier of—
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 * (bb) discharge under section 1328; and
 * (II) if the case under this chapter is dismissed or converted without completion of the plan, such lien shall also be retained by such holder to the extent recognized by applicable nonbankruptcy law;
 * (ii) the value, as of the effective date of the plan, of property to be distributed under the plan on account of such claim is not less than the allowed amount of such claim; and
 * (iii) if—
 * (I) property to be distributed pursuant to this subsection is in the form of periodic payments, such payments shall be in equal monthly amounts; and
 * (II) the holder of the claim is secured by personal property, the amount of such payments shall not be less than an amount sufficient to provide to the holder of such claim adequate protection during the period of the plan; or
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 * (8) the debtor has paid all amounts that are required to be paid under a domestic support obligation and that first become payable after the date of the filing of the petition if the debtor is required by a judicial or administrative order, or by statute, to pay such domestic support obligation; and
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 * (b)
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 * (B) the plan provides that all of the debtor’s projected disposable income to be received in the applicable commitment period beginning on the date that the first payment is due under the plan will be applied to make payments to unsecured creditors under the plan.
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 * (A)
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 * (ii) for charitable contributions (that meet the definition of “charitable contribution” under section 548 (d)(3) to a qualified religious or charitable entity or organization (as defined in section 548 (d)(4)) in an amount not to exceed 15 percent of gross income of the debtor for the year in which the contributions are made; and
 * (B) if the debtor is engaged in business, for the payment of expenditures necessary for the continuation, preservation, and operation of such business.
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 * (A) in the case of a debtor in a household of 1 person, the median family income of the applicable State for 1 earner;
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 * (C) in the case of a debtor in a household exceeding 4 individuals, the highest median family income of the applicable State for a family of 4 or fewer individuals, plus $525 per month for each individual in excess of 4.
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 * (II) in the case of a debtor in a household of 2, 3, or 4 individuals, the highest median family income of the applicable State for a family of the same number or fewer individuals; or
 * (III) in the case of a debtor in a household exceeding 4 individuals, the highest median family income of the applicable State for a family of 4 or fewer individuals, plus $525 per month for each individual in excess of 4; and
 * (B) may be less than 3 or 5 years, whichever is applicable under subparagraph (A), but only if the plan provides for payment in full of all allowed unsecured claims over a shorter period.

 * (c) After confirmation of a plan, the court may order any entity from whom the debtor receives income to pay all or any part of such income to the trustee.


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 school from 1793 to 1798. He studied music under the Hon. John Spencer and Thomas Attwood [q. v.], the pupil of Mozart, and was assistant organist to the Female Orphan Asylum from 1810 to 1814. In 1814 he succeeded Robert Cooke (fl. 1793–1814) [q. v.] as organist of St. Martin's-in-the-Fields, which post he resigned, on a pension, in March 1854. He was secretary of the re-established Concentores Sodales, which was dissolved in 1847, the wine becoming his property, and was elected a professional member of the Catch Club in 1827. Walmisley died on 23 July 1866, and was buried in the family grave at Brompton cemetery. In 1810 he married the eldest daughter of William Capon (1757–1827) [q. v.], draughtsman to the Duke of York. His eldest son, Thomas Attwood Walmisley [q. v.], whose ‘Cathedral Music’ he edited in 1857, predeceased him.

Walmisley composed fifty-nine glees, four of which gained prizes (see Spectator, 28 Aug. 1830). He also composed ‘six anthems and a short morning and evening service’ (n.d.), and ‘Sacred Songs,’ London, 1841. As a teacher he was well known; his most distinguished pupil is perhaps Dr. Edward J. Hopkins. A portrait of him, painted by MacCaul, is in the possession of his son, Mr. Arthur Walmisley.

[Grove's Dict. of Music and Musicians; David Baptie's Sketches of the English Glee Composers; Barker and Stenning's Westminster School Reg.; private information supplied by his son, Mr. Arthur Walmisley.]  WALMODEN, AMALIE SOPHIE MARIANNE, (1704-1766). [See .]

WALMSLEY, JOSHUA (1794–1871), politician, son of John Walmsley, builder, was born at Liverpool on 29 Sept. 1794, and educated at Knowsley, Lancashire, and Eden Hall, Westmoreland. On the death of his father in 1807 he became a teacher in Eden Hall school, and on returning to Liverpool in 1811 took a similar situation in Mr. Knowles's school. He entered the service of a corn merchant in 1814, and at the end of his engagement went into the same business himself, and ultimately acquired a competency. He was an early advocate of the repeal of the duty on corn, and was afterwards an active worker with Cobden, Bright, and others in the Anti-Cornlaw League. In 1826 he took the presidency of the Liverpool Mechanics' Institution, and about the same time there began his intimacy with George Stephenson, in whose railway schemes he was much interested, and with whom he joined in purchasing the Snibstone estate, near Ashby-de-la-Zouch, where rich seams of coal were found. He was elected a member of the Liverpool town council in 1835, and did excellent work in improving the police, sanitary, and educational affairs of the borough; was appointed mayor in November 1838, and knighted on the occasion of the queen's marriage. With Lord Palmerston he unsuccessfully contested Liverpool in the liberal interest in June 1841. He retired to Ranton Abbey, Staffordshire, in 1843, and at the general election of 1847 was elected M.P. for Leicester, but was unseated on petition. He started the National Reform Association about this time, and was its president and chief organiser for many years. In 1849 he was returned as M.P. for Bolton, Lancashire, but in 1852 exchanged that seat for Leicester, where his efforts on behalf of the framework knitters had made him popular. He lost this seat in 1857, when he practically retired from public life, although he retained the presidency of the National Sunday League from 1856 to 1869.

He died on 17 Nov. 1871 at his residence at Bournemouth, leaving issue. His wife, whom he married in 1815, and whose maiden name was Madeline Mulleneux, survived him two years.

[Life, by his son, Hugh Mulleneux Walmsley, 1879, with portrait; Dod's Parliamentary Companion, 1850; Free Sunday Advocate, December 1871.]  WALMSLEY, THOMAS (1763–1805), landscape-painter, was descended from a family of good position at Rochdale, Lancashire, but was born in Ireland in 1763, his father, Thomas Walmsley, captain-lieutenant of the 18th dragoons, being quartered there with his regiment at the time. He quarrelled with his family, and came to London to earn his living. He studied scene-painting under Columba at the opera-house, and was himself employed there and at Covent Garden Theatre, and at the Crow Street Theatre, Dublin. In 1790 he began to exhibit landscapes in London, where he resided until 1795, when he retired to Bath. He sent many pictures to the Royal Academy, chiefly views in Wales; but in 1796, the last year in which he exhibited, three views of Killarney. He painted chiefly in body-colour. His trees were heavy and conventional, and he had no capacity for drawing figures, but he was skilful in painting skies, especially with a warm evening glow, which was well reproduced in the coloured aquatints by


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Rh kind are semi-pyramidal in form, also containing vaults, and made of smaller stones. Some of the old platforms upon which images stood have been reconstructed in pyramidal form, but Mrs. Routledge tells me that the semi-pyramidal ahu never sustained images and from their structure could not have done so. I propose to return later in this paper to the relation between the two chief kinds of ahu and content myself now with pointing out the presence of the two features of pyramidal form and stone images in the burial-places of Easter Island.

Let us inquire whether this association is found elsewhere in Oceania. Statues comparable with those of Easter Island occur in Pitcairn Island and Lavaïvaï, and according to Moerenhout they once had a wider distribution. In Pitcairn Island the Routledges studied some remains which resembled one of the semi-pyramidal ahu of Easter Island. This was said once to have been occupied by three statues, and the trunk of one of these, which has been preserved, resembled, though crudely, the workmanship of Easter Island.

Several statues with points of resemblance to the remains of Easter Island have been found in the Marquesas. In Nuku-hiva Porter saw a statue of stone, about the height of a man but “larger proportioned in every way,” round which the dead were exposed in canoes. This figure differed from those of Easter Island in being in the squatting position, but a greater similarity is present in a statue found by Christian in the island of Hiva-oa. This was about eight feet high and in the position of the arms and general character of the features definitely resembled the statues of Easter Island.

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 Francis Jukes and others, through which he is best known at the present day. Of these several series were published both before and after his death: views of the Dee and North Wales, 1792–4; larger views of North Wales, 1800; views of Killarney and Kenmare, 1800–2; miscellaneous British scenery, 1801; views in Bohemia, 1801; views of the Isle of Wight, 1802–3; miscellaneous Irish scenery, 1806; views in Scotland, 1810. Walmsley died at Bath in 1805.

[Redgrave's Dict. of Artists; Bryan's Dict. of Painters and Engravers.]

WALPOLE, EDWARD (1560–1637), jesuit, son and heir of John Walpole of Houghton, Norfolk, by Catherine Calibut of Coxford in the same county, was born on 28 Jan. 1559–60, matriculated as a fellow commoner at St. Peter's College, Cambridge, in May 1576, the year after his cousin Henry Walpole [q. v.] had entered at the same college as a pensioner. Here he was so powerfully influenced by his cousin that he showed sympathy for the Roman creed, and, making no secret of it, incurred the displeasure of both parents, so that in 1585 he was turned out of his home at Houghton, and adopted the name of Poor to indicate his want of means. Another cousin, William Walpole, of the same way of thinking with himself, offered him an asylum at North Tuddenham in Norfolk. He repaid this service by reconciling William to his wife, from whom he had been for some years estranged. In October 1587 William Walpole died, leaving the great bulk of his large property to his cousin Edward, subject to the life interest of his widow. Just about this time John Gerard (1564–1637) [q. v.] was going about Norfolk among the recusant gentry, and succeeding to a wonderful extent as a proselytiser. Among the first to be won over was Edward Walpole, whom he received into the Roman church; at the same time Gerard induced him to sell the reversion of the manor of Tuddenham for a thousand marks. In April 1588 Walpole's father, John of Houghton, died, leaving all he could leave to his second son, Calibut, and not even naming his elder son and heir in his will. Five months later Robert, earl of Leicester, died. The earl had a life interest in the estates of Amy Robsart, which lay contiguous to those of the Walpoles, and these now descended to Edward Walpole as heir-at-law to Sir John Robsart, Amy's father. Edward Walpole at once surrendered by deed all claim and title on the Robsart and the Houghton estates to his brother Calibut, and, having thus denuded himself of his large possessions, he slipped away to the continent, determined to offer himself to the Society of Jesus, as his cousin had done before. He was in Belgium in 1590, apparently on his way to Rome, where he was admitted to the English College on 23 Oct. 1590, and remained two years studying theology. He was ordained priest on Ascension day 1592, and shortly afterwards was admitted into the society, and next month was summoned to Tournai to go through his period of probation. The news of his receiving priest's orders at Rome was before long carried home by the spies who were watching him, and in 1597 he was outlawed ‘for a supposed treason done at Rome.’ Undeterred by this proclamation, Walpole returned to England the next year, and began to exercise his functions as a Roman priest and Jesuit missioner, though hunted about from place to place, not seldom in great peril of his life. After his return to England he passed under the name of Rich as an alias. In 1605 he was granted a pardon, which would have put him in possession of the family estates on the death of his mother. She survived till 1612; but, instead of availing himself of his legal ability, he renewed his deed of surrender to his brother, and the estates accordingly descended through him to Sir Robert Walpole and the earls of Orford. He had the reputation of being a preacher of no ordinary gifts. He died in London on 3 Nov. 1637, in his seventy-eighth year.

[Jessopp's One Generation of a Norfolk House, 1878, and the authorities there given; cf. Foley's Records of the English College S.J., 1879.]

WALPOLE, GEORGE (1758–1835), major-general, born on 20 June 1758, was the third son of Horatio, second lord Walpole of Wolterton, who in 1797 succeeded his cousin Horatio Walpole, fourth earl of Orford [q. v.], as fourth Lord Walpole of Walpole, was created Earl of Orford in 1806, and died on 24 Feb. 1809, aged 86. Horatio Walpole, first lord Walpole [q. v.], was his grandfather. His mother was Lady Rachel Cavendish (d. 1805), third daughter of William, third duke of Devonshire. He was commissioned as cornet in the 12th light dragoons on 12 May 1777, and became lieutenant in the 9th dragoons on 17 April 1780. He returned to the 12th light dragoons as captain-lieutenant on 10 Dec. 1781, and exchanged to the 8th light dragoons on 13 Aug. 1782. On 25 June 1785 he obtained a majority in the 13th light dragoons, and became lieutenant-colonel of that regiment on 31 Oct. 1792.

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 Indies, and took a leading part in the suppression of the maroon insurrection in Jamaica. The Trelawney maroons, who had risen, numbered fewer than seven hundred, but they had been joined by about four hundred runaway slaves, and the insurrection threatened to spread. The country was extremely difficult for regular troops, and two of the detachments sent against the maroons fell into ambushes, and their commanders (Colonels Sandford and Fitch) were killed. At the beginning of October Walpole was charged with the general conduct of the operations, and the governor—Alexander Lindsay, sixth earl of Balcarres [q. v.] —gave him the local and temporary rank of major-general. By skilful dispositions he captured several of the maroon ‘cockpits’ or stockades. On 24 Oct. the governor wrote to the secretary of state: ‘General Walpole is going on vastly well. His figure and talents are well adapted for the service he is upon, and he has got the confidence of the militia and the country.’ By 22 Dec. he had come to terms with the insurgents. They were to ask pardon, to leave their fastnesses and settle in any district assigned to them, and to give up the runaway slaves. On these conditions he promised that they should not be sent out of the island; and the terms were ratified by the governor.

Only a few of the insurgents came in, and in the middle of January Walpole moved against them with a strong column, accompanied by dogs which had been brought from Cuba. They then surrendered, and were sent down to Montego Bay; and in March the assembly and the governor decided to ship them to Nova Scotia. Walpole strongly remonstrated against what he regarded as a breach of faith. He argued that the treaty might have been cancelled when the maroons failed to fulfil its terms, but that the governor had deliberately abstained from cancelling it. He declined a gift of five hundred guineas which the assembly voted for the purchase of a sword, and obtained leave to return to England. His letter declining the sword was expunged from the minutes of the house (cf., Hist. of the Maroons, 1803; , Hist. of Jamaica, 1873, pp. 232–6).

He was made colonel in the army on 3 May 1796, but he retired from the service before 1799. In January 1797 he was returned to parliament for Derby, which he represented till 1806. He was a follower of Fox, and voted for reform. He was Tierney's second in his duel with Pitt on Putney heath on 27 May 1798. When Fox came into office as foreign secretary, Walpole was appointed under-secretary (20 Feb. 1806); but he did not retain this office long after Fox's death. He was made comptroller of cash in the excise office for the rest of his life. He was M.P. for Dungarvan from 1807 till 1820, when he resigned his seat. He died in May 1835, unmarried.

[Gent. Mag. 1835, ii. 547; Collins's Peerage, ed. Brydges, v. 674; Lord Lindsay's Lives of the Lindsays, iii. 1–146 (for the maroon war); Lord Holland's Memoirs of the Whig Party, i. 142; Burke's Peerage.]

WALPOLE, HENRY (1558–1595), jesuit, eldest son of Christopher Walpole of Docking and of Anmer Hall, Norfolk, by Margery, daughter and heiress of Richard Beckham of Narford in the same county, was born at Docking, and baptised there in October 1558. Michael Walpole [q. v.] and Richard Walpole [q. v.] were his younger brothers. Henry was sent to Norwich school in 1566 or 1567, where his master was Stephen Limbert, a Cambridge scholar of some repute in his day. He entered at St. Peter's College, Cambridge, on 15 Jan. 1575, but he left the university without taking a degree, and in 1578 he became a student at Gray's Inn, intending to follow in the footsteps of his father, who appears for some time to have practised as a consulting barrister, and of his uncle, John Walpole, a serjeant-at-law who would certainly have been promoted to a judgeship but for his early death in 1568. While Henry Walpole was at Gray's Inn he appears to have brought himself under the notice of the government spies by habitually consorting with the recusant gentry and the Roman partisans; and when Edmund Campion [q. v.] came over to advocate a return to the papal obedience, Walpole was a conspicuous supporter of the jesuit and his friends. Campion was hanged at Tyburn on 1 Dec. 1581, and Walpole stood near to the scaffold when the usual barbarities were perpetrated upon the mangled corpse. The blood splashed into the faces of the crowd that pressed round, and some of it spurted upon young Walpole's clothes. He accepted this as a call to himself to take up the work which Campion had begun; and under the inspiration which the dreadful scene had aroused he sought relief for this feeling in writing a poem of thirty stanzas, which he entitled ‘An Epitaph of the Life and Death of the most famous Clerk and virtuous Priest, Edmund Campion, a Reverend Father of the meek Society of the blessed name of Jesus.’ The poem, which contains many passages of much beauty and sweetness, and indicates the possession of great poetic gifts on the part of the writer,


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 was immediately printed by one of the author's friends, Valenger by name, apparently at his own private press. It was widely circulated, and attracted much attention. The government made great efforts to discover the author. Valenger was brought before the council, was fined heavily, and condemned to lose his ears; but he did not betray his friend. Walpole, however, was under grave suspicion, and thought it advisable to slip away to his father's house in Norfolk, where he was for some time in hiding, till an opportunity came for passing over to the continent. He arrived at Rheims on 7 July 1582, and at the college there he enrolled himself as a student of theology. Next year he made his way to Rome, was received into the English College on 28 April 1583, and in the following October was admitted to minor orders. Three months later he offered himself to the Society of Jesus, and on 2 Feb. 1584 was admitted among the probationers. A year later he was sent to France, where, at Verdun, he passed two years of probation, acting as ‘prefect of the convictors.’ On 17 Dec. 1588 he was admitted to priest's orders at Paris.

About 1586 a staff of army chaplains had been organised by Belgian jesuits, whose business it was to minister to the Spanish forces serving under the prince of Parma. Among these were soldiers of almost every European nationality, and it was important that the jesuit chaplains should be good linguists. Walpole was master of many languages, and was exactly the man for this work, which was now laid upon him. He was eminently successful, and he did not spare himself; but on one occasion in the autumn of 1589 he fell into the hands of the English garrison at Flushing, and was thrown into prison among common thieves and cut-throats, and had to endure great sufferings, till his brother, Michael Walpole, managed to cross over to Flushing and pay the ransom demanded for his release. In January 1590 he was set free and was still in Belgium, apparently exercising his functions as a catholic priest among the soldiery, when in October 1591 he was removed to Tournai to complete his third year as probationer.

In July 1592 he was summoned to the jesuit college at Bruges. Parsons's famous ‘Responsio ad Edictum,’ written under the name of Philopater [see, (1546–1610)], was published in the summer of 1592, and it was deemed advisable that an English translation of the book should be circulated coincidently with the appearance of the Latin version. This translation was entrusted to Walpole, and while he was engaged upon it he received orders from Claudius Aquaviva, general of the society, to join Parsons in Spain. He was present at the opening of the chapel of the lately founded jesuit college in Seville on 29 Dec. 1592, and there he met his brother Richard, whom he had not seen for ten years. Richard had already volunteered to engage in the English mission, but Parsons could not spare so able a coadjutor, and Richard had to wait his time. Henry, however, was possessed by the longing to return to England and emulate John Gerard's success as a proselytiser in Norfolk [see, (1564–1637)]. In June 1593 Parsons told him that it was decided he should be sent to England. Next month he was presented to Philip II at the Escurial, and was very graciously received as a jesuit father about to start on the English mission. It was not, however, till late in November that he actually set sail from Dunkirk on one of the semi-piratical vessels which at that time infested the Channel, having bargained that he should be put ashore on the coast of Essex, Suffolk, or Norfolk, where he was sure to find friends or kinsfolk. With him went two soldiers of fortune who had been serving under the king of Spain and were tired of it. One of these was Thomas, a younger brother of Henry Walpole, now in his twenty-sixth year. The voyage was disastrous from the first; the wind was boisterous and adverse, the vessel could not touch at any point near the East-Anglian coast, and was unable to stand inshore till they had got as far as Bridlington in Yorkshire, where at last the three travellers were landed on 6 Dec. and left to shift for themselves. The little party had scarcely been twenty-four hours on English soil before they were all arrested and committed to the castle at York. Henry Walpole at once confessed himself a jesuit father. The other two allowed that they had served in Sir William Stanley's regiment in Flanders. This, it seems, was no offence in law, and the only charge which could be made against them was that they had connived at the landing of a jesuit in England, which was a much more serious matter. The two made no difficulty of telling all they knew. Thomas Walpole even pointed out the place where his brother had hidden some letters and other incriminating documents on his first landing. But Henry exhibited unusual stubbornness when under examination, and, following the example of his hero Campion twelve years before, declared himself ready to defend his religious convictions against a