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Wiktionary:Grease pit/2012/October

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Special:WantedPages
This hasn't been run since 2009, according to the page. Is that true? Are there good reasons why it shouldn't be run? Can it be limited to pages in principal namespace? DCDuring TALK 16:12, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Can it be limited to links from principal namespace? DCDuring TALK 16:16, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

 * See 15434. Call me a pessimist, but I don't think this is something that we can bring about. However, we can probably approximate that page's functionality by analyzing the database dumps and generating some sort of page in the project (Wiktionary:) namespace. —Ruakh TALK 18:09, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Call me an optimist, but it actually looks as if they have recently identified and modified a step 39667 that would help towards re-enabling this. It won't be long now!
 * I hesitate to make a request if there is a realistic prospect that MW will move on this, but if their run still works the way the prior one did, the principal namespace stuff would be swamped by items from Index and Template space. I also noted that a large number of the links that generated the list were from wanted lists on user pages and from talk and project pages. Those lists are fine as far as they go, but they have been heavily mined, so the remaining redlinks are often wrong capitalization, probably SoP, etc. This seems like the kind of list that, once debugged, would be usefully run once a month or less, if that makes a difference. As opposed to some of our lists, it enables contributors to prioritize their efforts based on more objective considerations. DCDuring TALK 18:33, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Template talk:ku-verb form of
FYI. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:15, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Template:recons or Template:proto?
For a while now we've had these two templates to link to reconstructed entries, along with and  which fulfill more general roles. Personally I think we don't really need anymore, at least not for the majority of cases. My reasons are as follows: So I would like to propose that we replace most occurrences of with a combination of  and. We can't replace all of the instances, because there are some cases where it's used for a reconstructed language that has no code. Those entries are listed in Category:Proto with language that has no code. 23:14, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) They mostly do the same things; in fact,  now simply calls  and  and does almost nothing of its own.
 * 2)  supports all the parameters that  does, which  does not. In particular the latter does not allow us to override the displayed headword, which is needed for Proto-Germanic. This would also be useful for showing several possible reconstructions but only linking to one of them (the most common one), or for linking to the e-grade of a PIE root while showing the o- or zero grade.
 * 3)  dates back to times when we did not have language codes for reconstructed languages, or even any way for linking to such languages at all. Now that we do,  is better suited at fulfilling that role, since it links to all reconstructed terms, irrespective of whether the language name begins with "Proto-".
 * 4)  confusingly uses the lang= parameter to indicate the source language, not the language of the term being linked to.
 * 5) It's more consistent to use  for all foreign etymologies without exception, rather than making an exception only for reconstructed languages but requiring it nonetheless for reconstructed terms in attested languages. Also note that some languages are practically unattested, like Vulgar Latin, so they are proto-languages for all practical purposes.
 * [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. These are all very good reasons, especially ’s irritating usage of lang=. — Ungoliant (Falai) 23:52, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support iff someone makes codes and templates for all the protolangs sans codes first. --Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 05:04, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. Good luck making the tens of thousands of changes (by the way, is there a better way to get a count of transclusions other than just counting pages of 500?). Also, what's the advantage of using over ? Is there any difference other than the color of "redlinks"? --WikiTiki89 (talk) 10:19, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Probably not much... and personally I don't think the links created by should be black, anyway. We want most of those entries to be created too, after all. Don't we?  11:19, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Then why don't we scrap as well? --WikiTiki89 (talk) 11:27, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Because I prefer it to at least in some cases. It has the advantage that we can track reconstructions just like we can with, which we can't do with  because it's also used to link to attested entries. But we do still need  because we have many templates that need to link to a term irrespective of where it's located.  is just one example; it would break for prefixes in reconstructed languages were it not for .  11:32, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Just curious, but how does behave for languages that have both attested and unattested terms? --WikiTiki89 (talk) 11:35, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It will always link to the terms in mainspace. That's why was created in the first place, to be able to link to reconstructed terms in attested languages.  11:47, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I will try to run a bot to replace the regular expression  {{proto\|([^|}=]+)\|([^|}=]+)\|lang=([a-z-]+)}}  with   . Once that is done it will probably have covered the majority of entries.  14:18, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Defining permitted template locations
I think it would be helpful (in certain cases) to define on template documentation pages the locations a template is permitted (for example, only on sense lines, or only in English entries) in a way that can be read and interpreted by bots as well as humans. That way erroneous uses can be found and corrected (by autoformat or other bots). This is in response to Wiktionary_talk:Todo, and the fact that we apparently have a lot of confusion around, , , , ,. Thoughts? DTLHS (talk) 05:25, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * In a word, yes it would be helpful. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:50, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * What would the recommended format for machine readability be? Presumably it would appear on the documentation subpage. Or should it be reflected in a category of which the template is a member, eg, Category:Headword-line templates and its subcategories? DCDuring TALK 12:13, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, (redirect ) should only be used directly under a header (though sometimes  gets put in between the header and ) and should be the first item, usually the only item on the line. Context should not be used outside of definition lines, gloss also, qualifier is commonly used on and off of definition lines, and sense should only be used outside of definition lines. Hope this helps. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:34, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It seems almost like we need to define some kind of XML DTD or schema, except for wikitext... 13:26, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It would be handy if we also used to this to improve the documentation for users to reduce the amount of error to begin with. Something that only a machine could read would be another step backwards. DCDuring TALK 16:28, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * So basically we want to make CFI machine-readable, and expand on it by adding templates to it? 16:34, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe is/should be also allowed on translation lines in order to tag a more specific or slightly different gloss of the translations as compared to that specified in . Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 07:17, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I've only ever seen qualifier used that way. Mglovesfun (talk) 09:28, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

template:rfex
Discussion moved to the Beer Parlor. --WikiTiki89 (talk) 13:15, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

singular-only nouns
The Telugu needs a parameter added so that if I type |-, it displays (singular only). I tried to add this but could not make it work. —Stephen (Talk) 18:49, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Added it for |pl=-. — Ungoliant (Falai) 19:10, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. —Stephen (Talk) 20:26, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Bot task: footnotes vs references
created a number of entries with ===Footnotes=== <references/> redundant to ===References===. Could a bot fix all such entries like this? - -sche (discuss) 18:23, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It's at the limit of what I can do using regular expressions, but I think so, yes. Similarly, anagrams are supposed to be dead last (I think that's a ConradBot thing rather than an ELE thing, right?) but that I categorically cannot do. Mglovesfun (talk) 19:47, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The references as far as I can tell should mainly be removed as we rely on primary sources, not secondary sources. References for the most part should be under the references header and only there (i.e. not in with the definitions as well). Mglovesfun (talk) 19:55, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

 * But that's not the right fix. The footnote in the ===Footnotes=== section is referring to the reference in the ===References=== section. The correct fix is not to move the footnotes into the ===References=== section, but to merge the two. (See .) So — a bot could start doing it, but it would hopefully get blocked before it made too much progress. :-P  —Ruakh TALK 20:23, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Haha, I would do the other way around, remove the as nonstandard and keep the text under the references as it is. That sounds doable by bot. Odd as that sounds. Mglovesfun (talk) 20:31, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Headline templates for Marathi
Can someone please create headline templates for Marathi language. Only Template:mr-noun is available. I am planning to add Marathi translations of as much words as possible and also create Marathi language pages. I would very much appreciate if someone can create templates for pronoun, adjective, adverb, exclamation, interjection, and conjunction. Shivashree (talk) 08:54, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

 * You don't necessarily need dedicated Marathi templates; you can use the language-agnostic template, writing  , <tt>  </tt>, and so on. —Ruakh TALK 12:09, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

 * Such templates could link to Marathi transliteration. But since that doesn't exist, why bother? Mglovesfun (talk) 21:44, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

 * Mainspace pages shouldn't really have links into the project namespace (except inside and whatnot). If we want to document our transliteration scheme for Marathi, I think Appendix:Marathi transliteration would be more appropriate. —Ruakh TALK 21:57, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Fix Template:anontools
Could an admin please fix the WHOIS link at ? See Template talk:anontools. --Mormegil (talk) 13:31, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Bot task: replace deprecated IPA characters
Could a bot change all instances of the following deprecated IPA characters in the main namespace?
 * <tt>ʧ</tt> to <tt>t͡ʃ</tt>
 * <tt>ʣ</tt> to <tt>d͡z</tt>
 * <tt>ʥ</tt> to <tt>d͡ʑ</tt>
 * <tt>ʤ</tt> to <tt>d͡ʒ</tt>
 * <tt>ʦ</tt> to <tt>t͡s</tt>
 * <tt>ʨ</tt> to <tt>t͡ɕ</tt>

The bot should ignore these entries: ʤ, ʦ, ʧ, ʣ, ʥ; dezh, tesh, dz, ǳ, ts, ƾ, ƽ, ƿ. - -sche (discuss) 01:54, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Entries with slashes
Just curious, is there any technical difference between a subpage with no parent and an entry with a slash in its name?

And what sort of sorcery causes to display "9/11" rather than "11" on [[9/11]]?

--WikiTiki89 (talk) 07:54, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * There is, but you won't see a difference if there is no page with the name before the slash. There is a configuration option in the wiki software that sets, per namespace, whether it supports subpages or not. The main namespace has this turned off, so 9/11 is not treated as a subpage even though 9 exists. That's why <tt> </tt> works the way it does. In a namespace that does support subpages, like Appendix:, <tt>  </tt> will only return the part after the slash. The fact that it works differently in Appendix: and mainspace is why we can use <tt>  </tt> to conveniently categorise both mainspace entries and Appendix entries.  11:19, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Orphaning Template:zh
This template failed RFD, so it needs to be orphaned. But it's used so widely that I don't really know where to start. Does anyone else have suggestions? 16:36, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Are there any instances were it can't be changed to cmn? If not, it's not quite as hard as you might think. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:40, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That is why I asked... I have no idea. 17:48, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

 * I think there are two main prongs to start with:
 * Templates that don't support <tt>cmn</tt> properly, such as //.
 * Cases that are clearly safely bottable; for example:
 * Any occurrence of or  or  on a line that starts with <tt>* Mandarin:</tt> or <tt>*: Mandarin:</tt> or whatnot. (I know there are a lot of these. I can take care of them during my next translations-bot pass.) ✅
 * Any occurrence of within a <tt>==Mandarin==</tt> section.
 * Any occurrence of at all, once we get  working.
 * After that, we can look to see if it's still "used so widely".
 * —Ruakh TALK 18:43, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

 * I did a spot check, and the vast majority are Mandarin, either in a following the word "Mandarin:" or an  under a Mandarin L2 header, with zh as the second parameter. I think a pass or two with a bot should leave us a few thousand to figure out further.  is a sizable chunk of the un-bot-able residue- especially on the talk pages- and then there are the pedia templates. I've already swapped out all the categories. Chuck Entz (talk) 05:11, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I can already see the effects of the bot run: yesterday there were 24 pages of 500, now there are 9. I still see a few eligible s, so I'm assuming it's still in progress. By the way, the only pedia template I ran into on my spot check was, so I'm guessing that would be a good one to start with for recoding. Chuck Entz (talk) 14:47, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I seem to think is supposed to solve the cross-wiki linking problem. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:52, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * My sandbox is saying that and  aren't using . But wikimedia language seems to handle zh perfectly. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:04, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, exactly. —Ruakh TALK 12:05, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * User:Conrad.Irwin/editor.js should auto-correct zh to cmn if possible. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:22, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It currently doesn't: . I could try to fix it if everyone is ok with that, although I'm not quite sure what the best way is yet. 13:45, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * and now support cmn as a language code. There are probably a few other templates that need fixing, but are rarely used for languages other than English (e.g. Wikispecies). Mglovesfun (talk) 11:25, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

 * I am still using these two templates; the first when there is only one form of a word, the second when there is a difference between traditional and simplified:
 * ==Mandarin==
 * Can someone please tell me the correct code for the second one? Thanks ---> Tooironic (talk) 22:30, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Can someone please tell me the correct code for the second one? Thanks ---> Tooironic (talk) 22:30, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Can someone please tell me the correct code for the second one? Thanks ---> Tooironic (talk) 22:30, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Can someone please tell me the correct code for the second one? Thanks ---> Tooironic (talk) 22:30, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Can someone please tell me the correct code for the second one? Thanks ---> Tooironic (talk) 22:30, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

 * Me too. Are they being deleted? Actually, we need one template for both cases above, which would allow one or two parameters. The existing templates could be made redirects perhaps? --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 02:16, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

 * I'm confused; this discussion is about orphaning in favor of . How do  and  figure into it? —Ruakh TALK 02:48, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

 * Ah yes you're right sorry I got my wires crossed. and  are not related to the above discussion but my question stands - is there a more standard way to use those templates? I want to make sure I'm doing it right. ---> Tooironic (talk) 21:50, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

This template has now been orphaned as much as possible. The remaining transclusions seem to be from lists of ISO 639 codes, which are probably harmless. 19:16, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course, in some cases it should not be orphaned, like in discussions such as this one, or any Grease Pit, Beer Parlour (etc.) archived. Mglovesfun (talk) 19:31, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I've fixed those cases where the code was used to provide a link, and all cases of and . Surely the spirit of an archived discussion is better preserved when the link still works, than if it ends up as something like word ?  19:34, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

"Tagged but not listed" bot
Perhaps some of our more bot-savvy contributors can say if this is feasible and desirable or not:

Have a bot periodically check which entries transclude, and , i.e. make a list of which entries which transclude those templates. Then, check which entries are listed on the respective requests pages. (My idea of how to do that: make a list of strings that follow <tt> == </tt> or <tt> ==[[ </tt> and precede <tt>  </tt>. That catches the relevant part of <tt> == foo - Spanish section == </tt>.) Find any entries on the first list which aren't on the second list, and add them to the relevant requests page as "tagged but not listed". If it's possible to add the tag-comment  when there is one, do so. Such a bot could run anywhere from once every few days to once every few months, just to catch things people may not. - -sche (discuss) 23:44, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

template:&lit
Shouldn't use the given <tt>lang=</tt> to use the correct script and link to language sections? Currently the only thing the <tt>lang=</tt> is used for is for categorization. Also, is there any way to display <tt>alt</tt> text? --WikiTiki89 (talk) 11:11, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Good now? —msh210℠ (talk) 06:40, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The alt text is good now, thanks. How about supporting <tt>sc=</tt> and/or inferring the script from the <tt>lang=</tt>? --WikiTiki89 08:42, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Nevermind I did it myself. --WikiTiki89 09:10, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Rukhabot
is polluting my watchlist! What's goin' on? -- I have only 367 pages in my watchlist, so I can imagine the disturbance for those who have thousands of pages... Can anyone stop him? — Actarus (Prince d'Euphor) 12:56, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * You should have a link at the top of the watchlist page to hide bots. I wouldn't want to stop any of the bots, because they do important work, Chuck Entz (talk) 13:08, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh yes! Hide bots! I just forgot that one. Thanks for the tip. — Actarus (Prince d'Euphor) 13:15, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, the "hide bots" option doesn't work very well; it hides any page whose most recent change is a bot-edit, even if the next-most-recent change is a non-bot-edit that's still within the time-range of interest. For example, I have [[stunod]] on my watchlist. It was edited on the 15th by -sche, and on the 16th by Rukhabot. "Hide bots" hide Rukhabot's edit, but doesn't reveal -sche's. (Unless I turn on the 'Expand watchlist to show all changes, not just the most recent' preference, but if you're worried about watchlist pollution . . .) —Ruakh TALK 13:42, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

 * Re: "what's going on?": That's how bots work. You get used to it. (Actually, it's probably easier for those of us with thousands of pages on our watchlist, because we're more used to having to skim!)  Re: "Can anyone stop him?": Yes: as mentioned on User:Rukhabot, you can make the bot stop all activity by posting a message on its talk-page. But, um, don't do that. ;-)   (And anyway it's already finished its latest batch of edits.) —Ruakh TALK 13:42, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

template:prefixsee
Is it just me or is this broken on some pages? (see [[e-]], as opposed to [[pseudo-]] where it works) --WikiTiki89 16:08, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The "+" didn't generate the list for [[e-]], but did for [[pseudo-]] with the same syntax for the template. DCDuring TALK 17:01, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It works if you call directly, so the problem must be somewhere within 's source code... -- Liliana • 17:09, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

If we really want the bullet, we can use <tt>

...

 </tt>, which doesn't get broken by a line-break. Or, we can push for the extension to be modified so that it doesn't include these line-breaks. —Ruakh TALK 18:15, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The difference is that [[e-]] had <tt> * </tt>, whereas [[pseudo-]] had <tt>  </tt> (no bullet). I changed the former to match the latter, and it works now. —Ruakh TALK 17:27, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Just curious, why would that cause a problem? --WikiTiki89 17:30, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Because MediaWiki is fragile and finicky. Or, more specifically, because this: * expands to this: *
   [+]  English words prefixed with e-

                 with only the first line being part of the bullet-list created by <tt>*</tt>. So you would get HTML like this:

  [+]  English words prefixed with e-

  except that we pass our HTML through HTML Tidy, which addresses the misnested tags. Specifically, it detects that the <tt><li></tt> contains unclosed <tt><div></tt>s, so it closes them, and then later it detects some (now-)meaningless <tt></div></tt>s, so it removes them. The end result is this:

  [+]  English words prefixed with e-

  with the <tt>div.CategoryTreeChildren</tt> being completely outside the <tt>div.CategoryTreeTag</tt> and <tt>div.CategoryTreeSection</tt>, which means the JavaScript that handles this stuff has no hope of finding it.
 * Oh — or we could handle this in our own JavaScript: on page-load, we could search for misplaced <tt>div.CategoryTreeChildren</tt>s, and move them where they belong. —Ruakh TALK 18:35, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think the less we do client-side, the better. --WikiTiki89 18:41, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Interesting... We don't need the bullet, that was just a mistake anyway, but I would still say those linebreaks should be removed. Not sure how much influence we would have on those MediWiki people for such an insignificant problem. --WikiTiki89 18:31, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

label testing
I just tested the template on water. The results were as follows:

Before:

NewPP limit report Preprocessor visited node count: 211061/1000000 Preprocessor generated node count: 140992/1500000 Post-expand include size: 513582/2048000 bytes Template argument size: 163642/2048000 bytes Highest expansion depth: 24/40 Expensive parser function count: 99/500

After:

NewPP limit report Preprocessor visited node count: 208845/1000000 Preprocessor generated node count: 136241/1500000 Post-expand include size: 506688/2048000 bytes Template argument size: 162459/2048000 bytes Highest expansion depth: 24/40 Expensive parser function count: 116/500

The savings compared to are only marginal, however the big problem is the #ifexist call in. If there was any way to get rid of it, label might become a viable alternative to context, but not like this. -- Liliana • 19:39, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

 * Am I missing something? I don't see <tt>#ifexist</tt> anywhere in . --WikiTiki89 19:52, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

 * Firstly — it's in . But secondly — Liliana has [[water]] on the brain. Unless you share her belief that a change is for the good if-and-only-if it improves [[water]], you won't find this discussion worthwhile. —Ruakh TALK 19:59, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

 * It's going to be a problem for all pages that make heavy use of context templates, like go. -- Liliana • 20:00, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

 * Why don't we just wait for lua to make a new context template? --WikiTiki89 20:07, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

 * @Liliana: —Ruakh TALK 21:04, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

 * Consider the fact that is by far not the only template that makes use of #ifexist., another commonly used template, uses it as well. With both together, it's easy to hit MediaWiki's limit on #ifexist calls. -- Liliana • 21:49, 17 October 2012 (UTC) (addendum: and if that is not enough,  is yet another common template making use of #ifexist.)

 * This has been suggested before, but: shouldn't we just have two sets of templates, one designed for the majority of our pages (like გიშველის, which are small), and one designed for the handful of very large, template-heavy pages like water, a, go, go, iron and run? - -sche (discuss) 20:43, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Problems with internal editor
A problem seems to have arisen with the internal editor during the past 12 hours. All seems fine when I am using Firefox - but the problem arises when I use Chrome (I'm not aware of having changed any of its settings in that time). The problem: I just tried using Internet Explorer to edit a page and IE just stopped working. Is it me - or what? — Saltmarshαπάντηση 04:49, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * With both "beta feature" boxes ticked - the edit box/window is empty
 * With neither "beta feature" boxes ticked - the edit box/window has no rows in it (its about 1 mm high!)

 * To eliminate personal preference settings I just tried all 3 browsers without logging in - with the same results. — Saltmarshαπάντηση 04:52, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I found it quite slow to load the entire page for a while earlier, but not at this time. DCDuring TALK 05:30, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * My apologies for having bothered you with that (but on the otherhand others might encounter it). I installed OpenOffice 3.4.1 yesterday (using v 3.3 ... previously) and I had set Chrome to use DejaVu Sans Mono as its monospaced font.  Here lies the problem - which disappears when Courier new is chosen. DejaVu fonts work in OpenOffice - but do peculiar things in (for example) WordPad - where they appear "invisibly" in the pulldown font list - and do odd things to the cursor if selected. No more time to investigate - but the problem is explained. — Saltmarshαπάντηση 09:47, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Broken Assisted translation adding?
Since yesterday afternoon I am not able to add translations with Conrad Irvin's Assisted tool any more. When I click Preview translations It get an error message Could not connect to server on pink background in the page editing window located the left top corner of the webpage. This is irrespective of browser (I tried Firefox, Chrome and IE on different PCs, Linux and Windows) and whether I'm logged in or not. I have also noted that no Assisted translations apear to be added at recent changes, at least not among the latest 500 edits. Does anyone know what is happening? Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 10:51, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

 * I’m having the same problem. It is probably the result of Beer parlour. —Stephen (Talk) 11:15, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

 * It seems to be working again. A big thanks to Ruakh. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 13:40, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

 * I've fixed it for now, but not in the best way.
 * To get the fix: Visit http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=User:Conrad.Irwin/editor.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript and perform a hard-refresh (Shift+F5). Or, just wait, and you'll get the new version eventually.
 * What the problem was: Rather than knowing which API calls expect <tt>title=...</tt> and which expect <tt>titles=...</tt>, the script just covers both cases by always using <tt>title=...&titles=...</tt>. Apparently the API used to completely ignore spurious parameters, so this wasn't a problem; but now it gives a warning-message, at least in some cases. The script was designed to take warnings just as seriously as errors.
 * What I changed: The script now ignores warnings.
 * What should be changed: The script should take warnings seriously, at least when the person viewing the page is an admin. We should only pass <tt>title=</tt> when it's needed and <tt>titles=</tt> when it's needed.
 * —Ruakh TALK 13:42, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Uh, help?
I wanted to replace Template:langprefix with a faster version. I put my version at User:CodeCat/langprefix and when it was done I wanted to move it, so I did. Except now the move failed but the original has been deleted and I can't restore it! I keep getting database errors and timeouts! Help! 20:57, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * You shouldn't have done that. -- Liliana • 20:59, 20 October 2012 (UTC) </internetmeme>
 * Really now??? Seriously I'm scared... I just broke all of Wiktionary. Help please? 21:00, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * In all seriousness, you should ask on the IRC, in #mediawiki... the developers hang out there and they may be able to help you. -- Liliana • 21:01, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Is it possible to create it and paste the new code? — Ungoliant (Falai) 21:03, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Why didn't you just edit the page, but deleted it with whole history? Maro 21:03, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I tried re-creating it with the old code, and that didn't work either. —Angr 21:04, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid no. -- Liliana • 21:05, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, I think Angr fixed it. -- Liliana • 21:06, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I just pasted CodeCat's new code in and that worked. Even then I got a "Wikimedia Foundation Error", but it worked anyway. —Angr 21:07, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It works??? Thank goodness! *sigh of relief* I feel so stupid... 21:08, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Etyl and recons aren’t working correctly with proto: languages here. — Ungoliant (Falai) 21:12, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * No, my original intention was to move all of the subpages from User:CodeCat/langprefix too. I'm moving them now, any help would be appreciated! See  21:14, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * All done! —Angr 21:25, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Ok... crisis averted. Hopefully. Thank you for your help Angr and everyone else. I feel so stupid...

But let me explain what I meant to do... From experience we know that switches tend to be slow in templates, while looking up subpages is faster. That is why, and all the language templates use subtemplates. was an exception, which seemed strange because of how widely transcluded it is. So I wanted to change it so that it works just like does, with subtemplates. And it does work... it was just MediaWiki that failed me. Now there is one rather big 'security' hole in this new system that should be fairly easy to fix. Currently, anyone can create and break everything, so that subpage along with the subpages for every other possible code will need to be create protected. The easiest way to do that is probably the same way we already do it with the language subtemplates, by transcluding them all to one page and then cascade protecting that page. 21:29, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, you're an admin, can't you do that? —Angr 16:23, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok I've created it: Index to templates/languages/protection/langprefix. 17:00, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

xte
Hello. I have been brewing this script for some time and I am quite pleased with how it turned out. Right now it primarily processes translation lists so that they use. If anyone wants to join me in running it through Wiktionary, they can install the script (the link is on its page). You can also give it language names to ask it for codes and vice versa. So, if it sounds good to you, try it out. And maybe answer my two questions about what to do next. I am going to have little free time in the near future, so I do not promise I will implement anything. I just want some directions if I ever come back to this. Keφr (talk) 18:35, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I have been wondering if it would be feasible to automate romanisation. Can anyone tell me how and for which languages (if any) can it be reliably done algorithmically, and preferably without blowing up the script size too much? I am a bit afraid I might forget about some exceptional cases.
 * What things could a translator want (semi-)automated, which existing tools do not cover already (and are not merely extensions of these other tools' functionality)?
 * Sounds like a useful script. I've added it to the experiments section of WT:PREFS (linked to in the sidebar), at the bottom. --Yair rand (talk) 19:52, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I've tried it out now. It works very well but it still has one (somewhat serious) shortcoming. It does not correctly recognise subheadings, like the ones for Mandarin on test. Also, is it meant to parse transliterations as well? 20:02, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm. The quickest and dirtiest way of handling this would be to put "Hani" into Template:scriptrev/Traditional and "Hans" into Template:scriptrev/Simplified. This should not break anything ( has probably no users other than my script) and it is rather obvious that "Simplified" and "Traditional" refer to Chinese characters (in contexts in which would be used, anyway), but I think this may not be the case in the future. Keφr (talk) 05:41, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * FYI, there are 55 transclusions for scriptrev. Moral of the story: it never hurts to go to the template and click What Links Here. Chuck Entz (talk)
 * Then 1 = 55. But branches of mathematics in which this equality holds are considered rather dull.  I retract that statement. Fields of characteristic 2, for one, are quite fascinating.  On a less serious note, even though I would be surprised if this template already found use anywhere else (I created it yesterday, and it is not even fully working — a good task for a bot, I think), I was wondering if there are any current or future uses that WhatLinksHere will not show. Keφr (talk) 10:41, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * If template A is transcluded as <tt><includeonly></tt> in template B then template A's What Links Here will not show template B but only the pages that transclude template B. I.e. if B is not used then A's What Links Here is also empty. --WikiTiki89 11:20, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I specifically mentioned transclusions, so having Hide Transclusions selected is comparing apples and oranges. I may have been mistaken, but that was a non-response. At any rate, other templates are apparently linking to it by way of the category it's in, so there may be potential for interactions you're not expecting, since people could see it in the lists of supplementary templates and put it to use. Chuck Entz (talk) 13:55, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It looks like it parsed the qualifier wrong and thought it was part of the translation. It should really convert <tt> (for posher soups) </tt> into . 16:09, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, on [[bug]], it fails to process the last Portuguese translation. --WikiTiki89 16:21, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It looks like it mangled the Hebrew translation too. 16:26, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah but the transliteration should not have been like that in the first place. --WikiTiki89 16:29, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Why not? Is there anything in principle against having transliterations with parentheses in them? 16:31, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The transliteration was incorrect, but the script made it much worse. —Ruakh TALK 16:45, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I disagree, it made it stand out even more so as being wrong, causing us to notice it and fix it. --WikiTiki89 16:47, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Who is us? It looks like you actually didn't notice it. CodeCat noticed it in the diff, but she wouldn't have looked at that diff if you hadn't linked to it. But even supposing it's true that the brokenness caused the problem to be noticed faster than otherwise. What if the editor using the script hadn't known what the right fix was? Or what if the transliteration had been correct? (That specific transliteration should not have included <tt>(</tt>, but that's not true of all transliterations.) It would be one thing if the script had detected the issue and added some sort of cleanup category, but "it was already less-than-perfect" is not a good reason to completely break something. —Ruakh TALK 16:55, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That was mostly intended humorously. What I meant was it happened to turn out better than it would have. That of course is not a good reason to leave bugs unfixed. --WikiTiki89 16:57, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I took some effort to address the issues raised. Personally though, I think this is the kind of case that should be handled manually. Also, can anyone show me an example where parentheses legitimately appear in a transcription? Keφr (talk) 17:51, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, there are a few other suspicious Hebrew entries in . Search for ", literally". No script can fix that. Yet. Until someone creates an AI construct in JavaScript, that is. People just have to look through it. Keφr (talk) 18:00, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course, the mere fact that something can't be handled correctly by a program doesn't always — or even usually — mean that it's O.K. for a program to handle it incorrectly. Rather, it usually means that scripts need to leave it be. —Ruakh TALK 19:02, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

As for counterexamples on the idiomatic front. . . check out Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:t-SOP. Pages that actually use that template are immune to your script (it gets confused and bails out), but that template is only a few months old and not well-known, and already it's on scores of pages. Clearly human editors, who actually speak the languages they're translating into, sometimes feel that unidiomatic foreign-language word-sequences are sometimes the best way to translate English terms. Neither your script, nor the human who's running it, should override that judgment without knowing anything about it. —Ruakh TALK 14:48, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Also a suggestion about the error alerts, instead of showing an alert for every translation that causes an error, can't you just collect them all in a list and show one big alert at the end? --WikiTiki89 16:29, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. Keφr (talk) 16:52, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It did something weird with Korean here and with Finnish here. --WikiTiki89 08:29, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * To use the cliché, this is not a bug, but a feature. The Finnish diff is expected behaviour. A multi-word phrase is treated as idiomatic and joined together to make a link to a single article. Also, a piped link will have its label extracted, rather than the link target , as the label will probably have the word inflected, and I think the inflected word is a better link target. On the other hand, this sometimes makes a link to an article with accent marks, which should appear in a link label, but not in the article name (like for Latin or Russian). That could be improved, I guess. The Korean diff may look a bit awkward, but I am not sure what the best behaviour would be; probably generating two different  invocations. I guess this is the same the word written in Hangul and then in Hanja. I am not sure if handling this one is worth the trouble.
 * Also, take a look at the next "tree" diff — Syriac Hawaiian? Please, review the diff thoroughly, and before saving. Do not just run it and save immediately. I cannot stress this enough. Keφr (talk) 18:07, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * All of those expected behaviors are wrong. You should not join together multi-word phrases into a single link; you should not assume that <tt> a|b </tt> is supposed to be <tt> b </tt>; and in a case like the Korean one where it's not clear what the correct behavior is, you should do nothing. It's better to leave something alone than to break it. —Ruakh TALK 18:49, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed, I spotted this and would raise the same point. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:43, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I haven't been able to successfully run this, can anyone tell me why? The [fix] button appears but does literally nothing. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:13, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * A typo in the code, fixed. Flush your caches. Keφr (talk) 19:17, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, this is how these entries would look like if they were added with WT:EDIT — or is that wrong too? Personally, I considered that assumption a relatively safe one. To which form, do you think, entries like that should be converted? Leaving them as they are is obviously suboptimal. Keφr (talk) 19:17, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Leaving unclear cases as they are, but fixing common/easy/straightforward/low-risk cases, is still a huge improvement over the status quo. Until AI improves significantly, "obviously suboptimal" is our only option. —Ruakh TALK 19:51, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, but how about the amino-acid intelligence which is operating the script? Because it is ultimately up to them to decide which markup is right. That the script does something instead of nothing means it will show up in the diff and catch their attention. The question is, what should they do next. (I still think treating piped links as inflected and multi-word phrases as idiomatic is in almost all cases a reasonable thing to do. Any specific couterexamples?) Keφr (talk) 08:30, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, for example, I just tried fixing [[yes]]. None of the piped-links were inflected forms. (Actually, if they had been inflected forms, then it would have been wrong to change them: we want to point readers to the entry that actually has the information they need. But whatever.) In several cases, the piped-link was of the form [[pagename#langname|text]], with text being the same as pagename; those cases can be safely converted to {{t|langcode|pagename-cum-text}}, but they still generate a warning, which I think conditions the human reader to ignore the warnings. (That's a minor problem, but IMHO still worth fixing.) But more problematically, one of the piped-links was Arabic; the translation linked to أجل, but displayed أجَل. This is completely correct, but your script wanted to change it. Even if a human editor noticed that something was strange here, what is (s)he supposed to do about it? The script has already changed the text in the edit-window, and what with the strange script and the right-to-left rendering (putting the pagename on the right side of the pipe and the linktext on the left side) it's not so easy for a non-Arabic-speaking editor to work out what's going on and how to undo the script's mistake.

I've taken to posting specific issues at User talk:Kephir/gadgets/xte.js, where they will all be kept together, not on various different Grease Pit pages. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:26, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit conflict while editing a section.
When there is an edit conflict while editing a section, there is a glitch that causes everything outside the section to be removed from the edit window in the edit conflict screen. This has caused several editors to accidentally delete large chunks of pages. Anyone know what's wrong? --WikiTiki89 22:39, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * No idea, but it's happened to me at Wikipedia too. —Angr 20:23, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * This is a known issue and it has been filed in the issue tracker under https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41280 --Malyacko (talk) 19:48, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Improving communication between your wiki and "tech people"
Hi. I'm posting this as part of my job for the WMF, where I currently work on technical communications.

As you'll probably agree, communication between Wikipedia contributors and "tech people" (primarily MediaWiki developers, but also designers and other engineers) hasn't always been ideal. In recent years, Wikimedia employees have made efforts to become more transparent, for example by writing monthly activity reports, by providing hubs listing current activities, and by maintaining "activity pages" for each significant activity. Furthermore, the yearly engineering goals for the WMF were developed publicly, and the more granular Roadmap is updated weekly.

Now, that's all well and such, but what I'd rather like to discuss is how we can better engage in true collaboration and 2-way discussion, not just reports and announcements. It's easy to post a link to a new feature that's already been implemented, and tell users "Please provide feedback!". It's much more difficult to truly collaborate every step of the way, from the early planning to deployment.

Some "big" tech projects sponsored by the WMF are lucky enough to have Oliver Keyes who can spend a lot of time discussing with editors, basically incarnating this 2-way communication channel between users and engineering staff. But Oliver can only do so much: he has to focus on a handful of features, and primarily discusses with the English Wikipedia community. We want to be able to do this for dozens of engineering projects with hundreds of wikis, in many languages, and truly collaborate to build new features together. Hiring hundreds of Community Liaisons isn't really a viable option.

There are probably things in the way we do tech stuff (e.g. new software features and deployments) that drive you insane. You probably have lots of ideas about what the ideal situation should be, and how to get there: What can the developer community (staff and volunteers) do to get there? (in the short term, medium term, long term?) What can users do to get there?

I certainly don't claim to have all the answers, and I can't do a proper job to improve things without your help. So please help me help make your lives easier, and speak up.

This is intended to be a very open discussion. Unapologetic complaining is fine; suggestions are also welcome. Stock of ponies is limited. Guillom (talk) 14:46, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

 * As a less technical contributor (ie, when I try to contribute, I feel like I am wasting people's time), I am frustrated by the relative hopelessness expressed by our more technically adept contributors once a matter is connected with MediaWiki software changes or a long-standing bug or change request. My list of wishes and perceived problems is growing. Some apparently can be overcome by special bot runs to compensate for MW software-connected dysfunction, but it seems like an imposition on our technically adept contributors. Two favorites of mine are the non-functionality of Special:WantedPages and Special:WantedTemplates, the first associated with a long-standing MW bug, the latter with a complex resource-intensive workaround that is in widespread use. DCDuring TALK 15:32, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * This is something that I've been hearing a lot: as soon as an issue (or possible improvement) requires a change to the MediaWiki software, the perceived likelihood of it ever being implemented dramatically decreases. As a long-time editor, this is also something I've been feeling, and it's probably due to the fact that the WMF has long been ridiculously understaffed. Now that they have more developers, they can tackle more bugs and features, but this may not have been perceived yet by editors. There's also an issue with giving visibility to the requests from editors, and some great ideas have been suggested to improve that. If you have any other suggestions or concerns, let's continue this discussion. It's very useful to me. Guillom (talk) 12:24, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

No "Edit" link at main Grease pit
I don't see an "edit" tab at the main Grease pit page or individual section edit links. I think I used to. (People can of course edit at the month-specific page if they think to, but it's less obvious.) Is this an intentional change by Wiktionary folks, or shall I report it as a bug so it can get fixed?

best, Sharihareswara (WMF) (talk) 18:58, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * All the discussions are now in the subpages, the main page is only really to give an overview of the last three months. I do see edit links, though. 19:01, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Re: "I do see edit links, though": That's because you're an admin, so can edit protected pages. (I think it could be considered a MediaWiki bug that non-admins don't see the section-edit links, seeing as those point to edit-pages for unprotected pages, but I wouldn't hold my breath for the developers to fix it!) —Ruakh TALK 19:07, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes I agree. That is a bug. All users can edit the sections that are transcluded from the subpages, they just can't edit the main page itself. So they should see edit links. 19:08, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't we have view source section links even when the page it links to is protected? --WikiTiki89 19:11, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Not much point. There generally isn't much need to view the source of a section of a protected page.
 * The bug is not specific to here, by the way. See w:WP:VPA, for example, where there are no edit section links, despite it being probably very frequently used by non-admins. --Yair rand (talk) 19:14, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Grease pit is protected, as it's not supposed to be edited directly except when adding a new month section. --Yair rand (talk) 19:06, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe that is tolerable for WT:GP, but it would seem to make the subpage approach unacceptable for discussion pages that are supposed to be open for all. Is there a way to make the subpage-associated edit behavior look more consistent with the normal MW edit behavior? DCDuring TALK 19:16, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * We should probably just unprotect the page, and maybe use CSS to hide the top edit button for non-admins, until the bug is fixed. --Yair rand (talk) 19:20, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a promising kludge, but this would seem to be a show-stopper for further deployment of the subpage approach. I note that w:WP:VPA has a fairly elaborate alternative user interface to help overcome the lack of edit links on the top page. DCDuring TALK 19:25, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The fact that it's protected wasn't clear to me at all. I was just confused to not see "Edit" links for sections and had no idea how to add a comment. Maybe I missed the "If you want to comment on a topic, go to the month page" comment somewhere, or does it not exist? --Malyacko (talk) 19:50, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Doesn't exist. Any objections to unprotecting the page? --Yair rand (talk) 19:54, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * What happens when the current GP is transcluded onto another page that isn't protected? Does that bring the section links back? 20:03, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Just had a strange deja vu. Have we had a conversation like this in the past? --WikiTiki89 20:17, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I've unprotected the page and added the CSS. --Yair rand (talk) 22:22, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It looks good. I notice that the link is hidden even from admins, but to be honest, if someone can't figure out how to get to the edit-page when there isn't a tab there, then they probably shouldn't be editing the main GP page. :-P  —Ruakh TALK 22:40, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hm? It's not hidden for me. Strange... --Yair rand (talk) 23:26, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, weird, I see it now. I guess my browser didn't immediately pick up the new sysop-specific CSS? Or else I had some sort of weird brain-fart/blindness thing. Either way, never mind. :-)  —Ruakh TALK 23:34, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the fix, Yair rand. I appreciate it. And thanks to everyone here for un-confusing me. :-) Sharihareswara (WMF) (talk) 15:02, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

template:ethnologue
What is the purpose of the template link in ? For example on [[Belorussian]], the ethnologue code is different from the template name and so it just shows up as a redlink. --WikiTiki89 15:46, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Whatever its purpose, it's not made clear that it's a link to our template, not to anything at Ethnologue. Even when it's a bluelink, I'm sure users not familiar with our templates are going to be very confused if they click on it- even more so if they click on a redlink. Do we really want to send people there without explanation? And do we want to redlink templates which we went to the trouble of deleting as redundant? Chuck Entz (talk) 16:04, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I think those redlinks constitute the most up-to-date accessible "documentation" of the validity of a given language code for we should use for a language in any template that requires such a code. DCDuring TALK 16:25, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you're saying there, DCDuring. --WikiTiki89 17:37, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * There is no purpose. It should be removed. -- Liliana • 18:31, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

 * It shows the ISO 639-3 language code, but its intent was to show the language code that we use on Wiktionary, which is not ISO 639-3. Belarusian should be be. —Stephen (Talk) 20:15, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * We have Template:ISO 639, which does what you want. -- Liliana • 20:25, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Nonstandard languages/names in translations sections
Is it feasible to make a list of all top-level / un-nested entries in translations sections, i.e. entries of the form <tt>* foo:</tt> or <tt>*foo:</tt>, where <tt>foo</tt> is not the name of a language we have a template for? This would catch things like <tt>Algherese</tt> (a lect we don't recognise as a language), <tt>[//en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=feast&diff=prev&oldid=18668073 Rapanui]</tt> (nonstandard spelling of Rapa Nui), etc. It might catch a lot of things, in which case we could identify and bot-fix the spelling variants, and then re-make the list. - -sche (discuss) 02:23, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Any nonstandard names should probably be added to and to the /names template of the code template. For example  should be "ca" and  should include "Algherese". That way, such fixups can probably be somewhat automated.  02:31, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I've already changed some of these by bot, such as Sinhala to Sinhalese. I was thinking of making a similar request too. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:37, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * What's the best way to get/create a list of languages we do have templates for? I had hoped to use Index to templates/languages/protection/A-M and N-Z, but they include some nonexistent templates (such as ), and leave out some existent ones (such as, and more generally any that begin with <tt>v</tt> or <tt>w</tt>). —Ruakh TALK 23:23, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Well ideally you could look for templates with the string " ", and from there look for any subpages of those templates. I don't think all of our language templates follow this format exactly though. Another option would be to just take all of the members of Category:Language code templates (from the category dump). DTLHS (talk) 23:49, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The category dump sounds like the best idea. Perhaps a list made from the category dump could be compared to a list made of templates with the string DTLHS mentions, and duplicates removed, just to be sure everything gets on. My first thought would have been to figure out how to extract them from WT:LANGLIST—or figure out how LANGLIST is made!
 * If the protection pages are missing some templates, that means I made some mistake/oversight when I set up those pages. If CodeCat's restructuring of the pages doesn't catch et al., I'll work out a way to add them myself. - -sche (discuss) 00:13, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Templates are still being added, and some like are also removed. So it would be better to make the new lists from scratch, based on the current contents of Category:Code templates. Although, I imagine it might be desirable to also have a list of templates we once had in (significant) use, but then deleted. We wouldn't want someone else recreating  on a whim, after all.  13:24, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

template:quote-book
A problem appeared at borne. I have no idea what caused it or how to fix it. Perhaps someone else does. —msh210℠ (talk) 17:23, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

 * The fix that you made at 17:16 to the non-templanated version, changing <tt> borne </tt> to <tt> borne' </tt> is exactly the fix that you could have made to fix the templanated version. —Ruakh TALK 19:06, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * This is a good spot to use  and  instead of ' and  . Mglovesfun (talk) 19:10, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Good idea. —Ruakh TALK 19:42, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅: . —Ruakh TALK 12:53, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, oops. —msh210℠ (talk) 05:08, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Emptying and deleting Category:Spellings by language
This category failed RFD and contains mostly empty categories, which need to be deleted as well. Is there an easy way to delete them all? My bot has no administrative powers so it can't delete things. 17:51, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Each admin can choose five of them and delete them ;). Maro 18:13, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll see if I can get them with AWB. - -sche (discuss) 18:23, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I've deleted all the subcategories, but I note that the following categories still exist, and some need new homes:
 * Category:German words affected by 1996 spelling reform
 * Category:Latin medieval spellings
 * Category:Greek terms by their sequences of characters (compare Category:Latin terms by their sequences of characters)
 * Category:Portuguese terms ending in N
 * - -sche (discuss) 18:33, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

title: Wiktionary:Grease pit/2012/October


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saplı sultan

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From +.

Noun

 * 1)  chick with a dick; shemale.

title: saplı sultan


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zat pembakar

Etymology
Compound of. Compare to 🇨🇬 from noun derivation of by the Danish scientist.

Etymology
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Noun

 * 1)  oxygen chemical element

title: zat pembakar


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Etymology
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 * 1) stalked, with a handle
 * 2)  having a penis
 * 1)  having a penis

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 * 1) stuck

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sultanküpesi

Etymology

 * From Turkish "sultan" (sultan) + "küpe" (earring)

Noun

 * 1) common columbine

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title: teoloģiskākai


text: bioloģiskākus

title: bioloģiskākus


text: bioloģiskāki

title: bioloģiskāki


text: bioloģiskākai

title: bioloģiskākai


text: ekoloģiskākus

title: ekoloģiskākus


text: ekoloģiskāki

title: ekoloģiskāki


text: ekoloģiskākai

title: ekoloģiskākai


text: socioloģiskākus

title: socioloģiskākus


text: socioloģiskāki

title: socioloģiskāki


text: socioloģiskākai

title: socioloģiskākai


text: karstāka

title: karstāka


text: siltāka

title: siltāka


text: polārāka

title: polārāka


text: īgnāka

title: īgnāka


text: drēgnāka

title: drēgnāka


text: ģeogrāfiskāka

title: ģeogrāfiskāka


text: ბორბლები

title: ბორბლები


text: čaklāka

title: čaklāka


text:
lukujärjestys

Noun

 * 1) school timetable

title: lukujärjestys


text:
repraesentamen

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  representation, image
 * 2) * a 1731,, 1731 fourth edition of  Phosphorus philosophicus novissimus, seu logica contracta Claubergiana , p. 12 (via Google Books), column 1:
 * sive, cogitatio, quæ est imago et repræsentamen ejus rei, quam concipimus, quô modô forma seu essentia ideae consistit in representatione rei; sive in eo, quòd sit rei repræsentamen
 * 1) * 1699,, letter to Gottfried Leibniz, published in Leibniz's  Mathematische Schriften , v. 3, letter XCV, p. 580 (via Google Books Halle edition of 1850)
 * "la"

- Si per similitudinem intelligas ideam ipsam seu repraesentamen, quo objectum menti sistitur tanquam in pictura, eam sane non exsibilant Cartesiani.

 * 1) * 1670, Benedict de (or Baruch),  Tractatus Theologico-Politicus , p. 48 (via Google Books), and as reprinted in  Opera quae supersunt onmia , v. 3, 1846, p. 66 (via Google Books)
 * "la"

- quod alicuius boni sint repraesentamina

 * 1) * 1780, in Hermannus Venema, Institutiones historiae ecclesiae..., Tomus IV p. 436 (via Google Books)
 * "la"

- sed sacrificii cruci repraesentamen et commemorationem

 * 1) * a 1716,, in  Die philosophischen Schriften von Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz , Volume 2 (1879), see p. 215 (via Google Books)
 * a quo nihil repraesentaminis possim tollere
 * 1) * 1831, Jacob Nieuwenhuis,  Initia Philosophiae Logicae , 120 (via Google Books)
 * "la"

- Veritas logica est convenientia repraesentaminum nostrorum inter se et cum legibus cogitandi.

 * 1) * a 1676,, ( Gijsbert Voet ), in a selection  Tractatus selecti de politica ecclesiastica  (1885), p. 84 at foot of page (via Google Books)
 * De repraesentamine Ecclesiae
 * 1) * 1756, Amadeo, De La Rive, in  Logica ad usum studiosæ juventutis , p. 179 (via Google Books)
 * "la"

- ...pro rectis rerum repræsentaminibus habeant.

Descendants

 * representamen

title: repraesentamen


text:
ეშმაკის ბორბალი

Etymology
Literally: "Devil's wheel". Compare for possible calque.

Noun

 * 1) Ferris wheel

title: ეშმაკის ბორბალი


text: centīgāka

title: centīgāka


text: iedarbīgāka

title: iedarbīgāka


text: darbīgāka

title: darbīgāka


text: uzcītīgāka

title: uzcītīgāka


text: cītīgāka

title: cītīgāka


text: strādīgāka

title: strādīgāka


text: psihiatriskāka

title: psihiatriskāka


text: sliktāka

title: sliktāka


text: pilnāka

title: pilnāka


text: garāka

title: garāka


text: īsāka

title: īsāka


text: mazāka

title: mazāka


text: slimāka

title: slimāka


text: tukšāka

title: tukšāka


text: slimīgāka

title: slimīgāka


text:
stigme

Etymology
An adaptation of the short stem of the  and the. Compare and ;  and ;, , , and.

Noun

 * 1) * c. 1400, Apology for Lollard Doctrines, page 92:
 * Ȝe schal not prik ȝor flesch, ne mak to ȝow ani figeris, ne stigmes, þat are woundis.
 * Ye shall not prick your flesh, nor make to you any figures, nor stigmes, that are wounds.
 * 1) * a. 1619,, Atheomastix (1622), book I, chapter iv, § 1, page 20:
 * None..haue..branded any nation with the marke and stigme of Atheisme.
 * 1) A dot used as a punctuation mark in historical Greek texts, especially at the top of the line, equivalent to a period or full stop.
 * 1) A dot used as a punctuation mark in historical Greek texts, especially at the top of the line, equivalent to a period or full stop.

title: stigme


text: senāka

title: senāka


text: runīgāka

title: runīgāka


text: mākonāka

title: mākonāka


text: censīgākas

title: censīgākas


text: čeklāka

title: čeklāka


text:
Citations:phœnigm

Noun:

 * 1732, George Smith, Institutiones Chirurgicæ, chapter xiv, page 213:
 * It is evident that a Phœnigm is only a general Term for all the rubefying and exulcerating Medicaments.

title: Citations:phœnigm


text: dregnāka

title: dregnāka


text: pillāka

title: pillāka


text:
Fuchswelpe

Noun

 * 1) fox cub

title: Fuchswelpe


text: sidrabaināka

title: sidrabaināka


text:
rye seed

Noun

 * 1) Caraway seed, used whole as a flavoring in the best-known type of rye bread, and often mistakenly assumed to be the rye itself.
 * 1) Caraway seed, used whole as a flavoring in the best-known type of rye bread, and often mistakenly assumed to be the rye itself.

title: rye seed


text:
bedrift

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  To drift about; drift around.

Etymology
Formally a nominalization of (with the verbal noun  as its second part). Influenced by and.

Noun

 * 1) achievement
 * 2) company, business, trade
 * 3) farm

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) a company or business

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) a company or business

Noun

 * 1) feat, exploit; an impressive, heroic or otherwise laudable act
 * 2) achievement
 * 3)  company or business

title: bedrift


text: iesarkanāka

title: iesarkanāka


text: Fuchswelpen

title: Fuchswelpen


text: destresses

title: destresses


text: sarkanīgāka

title: sarkanīgāka


text: destressed

title: destressed


text: iedzeltenāka

title: iedzeltenāka


text: dzeltenīgāka

title: dzeltenīgāka


text: melnīgāka

title: melnīgāka


text: rozīgāka

title: rozīgāka


text: rožaināka

title: rožaināka


text:
recloser

Noun

 * 1) A circuit breaker equipped with a mechanism that can automatically close the breaker after it has been opened due to a fault.

Synonyms

 * automatic circuit recloser
 * ACR
 * ACR

title: recloser


text: reclosers

title: reclosers


text:
autorecloser

Noun

 * 1) A recloser.

title: autorecloser


text: autoreclosers

title: autoreclosers


text:
freestream

Noun

 * 1) The air far upstream of an aerodynamic body, i.e. before the body has a chance to deflect, slow down or compress the air.

title: freestream


text: freestreams

title: freestreams


text:
Talk:heraldist

This surely is all wrong. "Etymology - heraldry + -ist = heraldist" A heraldist studies heralds not heraldry. The word for a studier of heraldry should be HERALDRIST. Heraldry; remove the Y; add ist = Heraldrist, not heraldist. This is basic English. Kiltpin (talk) 14:24, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, "chemist" is defined as "a person whose occupation specializes in the science of chemistry". CHEMISTRIST does not exist. I deleted the Etymology. You are free to write a better one. --Hekaheka (talk) 22:27, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * You are unfortunately, talking to the wrong person. If I had the power, I would remove 'heraldist' from the English language; it is sloppy and does not describe its function.  I would truly love to meet the woolly-headed thinker who first coined the word! I will not be be writing an etymology for it. Kiltpin (talk) 10:27, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

title: Talk:heraldist


text: vēsāka

title: vēsāka


text: zilganāka

title: zilganāka


text:
germaan

Noun

 * 1) germane (GeH4)

title: germaan


text: zaļganāka

title: zaļganāka


text: iezaļganāka

title: iezaļganāka


text: ļaunāka

title: ļaunāka


text: kreisāka

title: kreisāka


text:
Yanbu

Proper noun

 * 1) A Red Sea port in western Saudi Arabia.

title: Yanbu


text:
భీముడు

Etymology
From.

Proper noun

 * 1) Name of the second of the Pandavas in Mahabharata.

title: భీముడు


text: saltāka

title: saltāka


text: racionālāka

title: racionālāka


text: dziļāka

title: dziļāka


text: భీముఁడు

title: భీముఁడు


text: seklāka

title: seklāka


text: మహాభారతం

title: మహాభారతం


text: svarīgāka

title: svarīgāka


text: brūnganāka

title: brūnganāka


text: brūnīgāka

title: brūnīgāka


text:
భీమసేనుడు

Proper noun

 * 1) Name of the second of Pandavas in Mahabharata.

title: భీమసేనుడు


text: భీమసేనుఁడు

title: భీమసేనుఁడు


text:
ద్రోణుడు

Noun

 * 1) Drona: the royal guru of Pandavas and Kauravas in Mahabharata.

title: ద్రోణుడు


text: sarkanbrūnāka

title: sarkanbrūnāka


text: ద్రోణుఁడు

title: ద్రోణుఁడు


text: oranžīgāka

title: oranžīgāka


text: pelēcīgāka

title: pelēcīgāka


text:
dudukahar

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) A duduk player.

Translations

 * Armenian:

title: dudukahar


text: iesirmāka

title: iesirmāka


text: sirmāka

title: sirmāka


text:
դուդուկահար

Noun

 * 1) dudukahar

title: դուդուկահար


text: dudukahars

title: dudukahars


text: iesārtāka

title: iesārtāka


text: siren call

title: siren call


text:
జనమేజయుడు

Proper noun

 * 1) Janamejaya: the son of Parikshit in Mahabharata.

title: జనమేజయుడు


text: సర్పయాగం

title: సర్పయాగం


text:
tí ti

Adjective

 * 1) very tiny

title: tí ti


text:
Janamejaya

Proper noun

 * 1)  Son of Parikshit, who performed Sarpayaga in Mahabharata.

title: Janamejaya


text:
tí tị

Adjective

 * 1) very little

title: tí tị


text:
bé tí

Etymology
🇰🇲.

Adjective

 * 1) very small, tiny, minute

title: bé tí


text:
metaprotocol

Noun

 * 1)  A protocol that dictates the form of other protocols.

title: metaprotocol


text: metaprotocols

title: metaprotocols


text:
tí hon

Adjective

 * 1) tiny

title: tí hon


text:
పాండురాజు

Proper noun

 * 1) King Pandu, the father of Pandavas.

title: పాండురాజు


text:
Drona

Etymology
From.

Proper noun

 * 1) The royal guru to Kauravas and Pandavas in Mahabharata.

Translations

 * Kannada:
 * Marathi: द्रोण, द्रोणाचार्य
 * Telugu:, ద్రోణాచార్యుడు

title: Drona


text:
Dhritarashtra

Etymology
.

Proper noun

 * 1) The king of Hastinapur in the Mahabharata.

title: Dhritarashtra


text:
ధృతరాష్ట్రుడు

Proper noun

 * 1) Dhritarashtra: the king of Hastinapur in Mahabharata.

title: ధృతరాష్ట్రుడు


text: ధృతరాష్ట్రుఁడు

title: ధృతరాష్ట్రుఁడు


text:
christ

Usage notes
The use of christ with a lowercase c is often to contrast any other christ (messianic figure, whether figurative or literal) with, the prime figure of the Christian religion.

title: christ


text:
artêş

Etymology
From, a false.

Noun

 * 1) army

title: artêş


text:
64mo

Noun

 * 1)  A size of paper or book: 1.87"-2.5" x 2.5"-3.125".

title: 64mo


text:
anh rể

Noun

 * 1) brother-in-law (husband of elder sister)

title: anh rể


text:
chị dâu

Noun

 * 1) sister-in-law (wife of older brother)

title: chị dâu


text:
em dâu

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) sister-in-law (wife of younger brother)

title: em dâu


text:
User talk:Jyril/nouns/ovi

Word kaikki should be here.--Sentree (talk) 16:56, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:Jyril/nouns/ovi


text: strafmaatje

title: strafmaatje


text: zeltaināka

title: zeltaināka


text: sudrabaināka

title: sudrabaināka


text: mēļāka

title: mēļāka


text: rudāka

title: rudāka


text: mehāniskāka

title: mehāniskāka


text: iracionālāka

title: iracionālāka


text: normālāka

title: normālāka


text: nenormālāka

title: nenormālāka


text: labējāka

title: labējāka


text: niknāka

title: niknāka


text: lieliskāka

title: lieliskāka


text: Masons

title: Masons


text: klusāka

title: klusāka


text: lēnāka

title: lēnāka


text:
Template talk:ku-verb form of

User talk:Mglovesfun
Is listed in Category:Kurdish verb negative imperative forms and clearly shouldn't be. I can't spot the problem, can someone fix it please? Mglovesfun (talk) 18:15, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

 * Fixed: see . —Ruakh TALK 19:08, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Whoops (hash tag fail). Mglovesfun (talk) 22:50, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

title: Template talk:ku-verb form of


text: zinātniskāka

title: zinātniskāka


text: ķīmiskāka

title: ķīmiskāka


text: fiziskāka

title: fiziskāka


text: fizikālāka

title: fizikālāka


text: matemātiskāka

title: matemātiskāka


text: astronomiskāka

title: astronomiskāka


text: teoloģiskāka

title: teoloģiskāka


text: bioloģiskāka

title: bioloģiskāka


text: ekoloģiskāka

title: ekoloģiskāka


text: socioloģiskāka

title: socioloģiskāka


text:
brudigomo

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) bridegroom

Etymology
From. Equivalent to 🇰🇲.

title: brudigomo


text: Lucianerinnen

title: Lucianerinnen


text:
brydguma

Etymology
Compound of, from. Cognates include 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, and 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) bridegroom

title: brydguma


text:
dauerschlaf

Etymology
Borrowed from, from  +.

Noun

 * 1) a prolonged sleep therapy

title: dauerschlaf


text:
bredgoma

Etymology
From. Equivalent to 🇰🇲.

Noun

 * 1) bridegroom

title: bredgoma


text: yapış

title: yapış


text: breidgoma

title: breidgoma


text:
ერთი ამბავი

Etymology
+

Noun

 * 1)  turmoil

Inflection

 * Not declinable

title: ერთი ამბავი


text:
афзудан

Etymology
.

Verb

 * 1) to increase; to add

title: афзудан


text:
Talk:inner core

RFV discussion
Tagged by Logomaniac, not listed. - -sche (discuss) 06:13, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm striking and detagging this as clearly attested. Logomaniac may have thought it was SOP... - -sche (discuss) 00:43, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

RFD discussion
SOP? Even the two-word translations link the individual words. (Ages ago, this was tagged by Logomaniac, who tagged several other entries with rfv-tags but rfd-rationales. Hence I changed the tag to .) - -sche (discuss) 00:46, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Inner core doesn't simply mean "the innermost part of the Earth." It's a geological term that refers to a specific part of the Earth's internal structure. The inner core is structurally different than the outer core. The inner core is a solid ball believed to consist of an iron-nickel alloy; the outer core is a liquid layer of the same elemental composition. That difference is crucial to understanding things like how the Earth's magnetic field works. Astral (talk) 02:26, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Then, I guess, we will need outer core as well. --Hekaheka (talk) 05:25, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

 * But does "inner core" mean all that, or is it just that "inner core" means "[[inner]] [[core]]" and it happens that earth's inner core has those specific properties? The existence of, , , suggests the latter. The specific composition of earth's inner core is then a matter for an encyclopedia, whereas "Earth's inner core" and "inner core" are SOP in a dictionary. - -sche (discuss) 05:39, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

 * It seems like the general definition that all of the above are using is "Part of the planet at such high pressure that it is solid despite its high temperature". If "inner core" just means "innermost part of the planet", the phrase "no inner core" would be meaningless (unless your planet is shaped like a jam doughnut), but it's perfectly attestable:
 * Venus is also significantly different in that it has no magnetic field. It certainly differentiated an iron core, but if the pressure is too low and the temperature too high no inner core will form, thus eliminating a possible source for a geodynamo.
 * Core cooling [on Mars] decreased to the point where conductive heat loss dominated (but no inner core formed).
 * The members of the subset J in Table 5.2 range from the extreme (top) member, which has no inner core (no free Fe) and for which p=pc at the MCB, to the other extreme (bottom) member which has no outer core (no Fe2O) and for which p=pc at the mantle-inner core boundary.
 * The last one suggests an equivalent definition of outer core "Part of the planet hot enough to be predominantly liquid", and that it's possible to have an inner core but no outer core, or an outer core with no inner core. In other words, inner core is not just "inner" + "core". Smurrayinchester (talk) 08:00, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per Smurray's arguments and data. DCDuring TALK 13:53, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

 * Keep: Apparently doesn't just mean inner core Purplebackpack89  (Notes Taken) (Locker) 15:57, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

 * I've changed my opinion to keep per Smurray. - -sche (discuss) 18:58, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Mglovesfun (talk) 09:49, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Kept. bd2412 T 03:05, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

title: Talk:inner core


text:
beul an latha

Noun

 * 1) dawn

title: beul an latha


text: Category:Georgian indefinite pronouns

title: Category:Georgian indefinite pronouns


text:
wagan

Etymology
From, from , ultimately from the root. Compare 🇨🇬 (whence modern 🇨🇬), 🇨🇬 (whence 🇨🇬), 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) cart.
 * 2) plough.

title: wagan


text: beòil an latha

title: beòil an latha


text:
briseadh-latha

Noun

 * 1) dawn

title: briseadh-latha


text:
mochthrath

Etymology
From (compare 🇨🇬), from  +.

Noun

 * 1) dawn

Adverb

 * 1) very early

title: mochthrath


text:
moch-thrath

Noun

 * 1) Alternative form of .

title: moch-thrath


text:
èirigh na grèine

Noun

 * 1) sunrise

title: èirigh na grèine


text:
dol fodha na grèine

Noun

 * 1) sunset

title: dol fodha na grèine


text:
yapışma

Noun

 * 1) adherence
 * 2) adhesion
 * 3) bonding
 * 4) cohesion
 * 5) coherence

title: yapışma


text:
Template:U:tr:homograph pronunciation/documentation

Usage
This template is used for producing usage notes for pairs of Turkish words having the same spelling that are pronounced differently through a different stress; typically a noun and a verb form.

 * The first parameter should be the letter n for the noun and v for the verb form;
 * the second parameter should be the word in question except the last two syllables;
 * the third parameter should be the penultimate syllable; and
 * the fourth parameter should be the ultimate syllable

Example
For example, the word yapışma.
 * For the verbal noun:
 *
 * This produces:
 * ● The stress is on the last syllable, i.e. yapışma.

 * For the verb form:
 *
 * This produces:
 * ● The stress is on the penultimate syllable, i.e. yapışma.

Note
The template can also be used for other cases where word stress is significant.


text: yapışmayı

title: yapışmayı


text: yapışmalar

title: yapışmalar


text: yapışmanın

title: yapışmanın


text:
ხმა დადის

Etymology
+

Verb

 * 1)  It is rumored, rumor has it

title: ხმა დადის


text:
flash cut

Noun

 * 1)  A change made to a complex system with immediate effect, one made without a phase-in period.
 * 2)  A quick move from the weak side toward the ball.
 * 3)  An fast cut, often as short as one frame, used to create a subliminal effect on the viewer.
 * 1)  An fast cut, often as short as one frame, used to create a subliminal effect on the viewer.
 * 1)  An fast cut, often as short as one frame, used to create a subliminal effect on the viewer.
 * 1)  An fast cut, often as short as one frame, used to create a subliminal effect on the viewer.

title: flash cut


text:
პათეტიკური

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) pathetic

title: პათეტიკური


text: clitch

title: clitch


text:
sliņķis

Etymology
A nominal version of adjective (q.v.), made into an i-stem (with consequent palatalization of the nk cluster). Cognates include 🇨🇬,.

Noun

 * 1) lazy man, animal
 * 2) sloth several species of arboreal South American mammal from the families and
 * 1) sloth several species of arboreal South American mammal from the families and
 * 1) sloth several species of arboreal South American mammal from the families and

title: sliņķis


text:
stăpână

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) ; mistress, (female) owner, proprietor

title: stăpână


text:
doamnã

Etymology
From <. Compare 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) mistress, (female) owner

title: doamnã


text:
chirã

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) lady

title: chirã


text:
voilerie

Noun

 * 1) sailmaker's (workshop)

title: voilerie


text:
Citations:Mid-Atlantic

 * 1) * 2002, Joan Bartlett, Judge Me Nottingham: A Nice Skates Ice Skating Mystery, iUniverse, ISBN 978-0-595-22035-9, page 184:
 * As she spoke, her voice lost the accurate, mid-Atlantic pronunciation of a trained actress and slipped into a soft, Mississippi drawl.

title: Citations:Mid-Atlantic


text:
sliņķe

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) lazy woman

title: sliņķe


text: full steam ahead

title: full steam ahead


text:
slinkums

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) laziness quality of one who is lazy

title: slinkums


text: slinkumam

title: slinkumam


text: slinkumu

title: slinkumu


text: slinkumā

title: slinkumā


text: slinkuma

title: slinkuma


text:
Talk:benote

RFV-failed
The verb "benote" meaning "use" or "consume", said to be from, from , equivalent to (see note; cognate with 🇨🇬) appears to be Middle-English only. It has been removed from this English entry as RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 20:02, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

RFV discussion: April–October 2012
RFV of etymology 1. Given how difficult it was to find modern English citations of note, I wonder if this is Middle-English-only. - -sche (discuss) 22:36, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 20:04, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

title: Talk:benote


text:
sliņķi

Noun

title: sliņķi


text: sliņķī

title: sliņķī


text: sliņķa

title: sliņķa


text: sliņķim

title: sliņķim


text:
Citations:shuggle

 * 2003, Wendy Bishop (editor), The Subject is Writing: Essays by Teachers and Students, |%22shuggles%22+-intitle:%22%22+-inauthor:%22%22&dq=%22shuggle%22|%22shuggles%22+-intitle:%22%22+-inauthor:%22%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dIakT7iVGsaXiAeVoOmfAw&redir_esc=y page 91,
 * A bump and a shuggle, all movements hurt as the harvester moved.

title: Citations:shuggle


text: sliņķus

title: sliņķus


text: sliņķos

title: sliņķos


text:
sliņķu

Noun

title: sliņķu


text: sliņķiem

title: sliņķiem


text:
agiut

Etymology
From. Compare 🇨🇬,.

Verb

 * 1) to help

title: agiut


text:
sight gag

Noun

 * 1)  A visually presented action or device which causes a humorous response without requiring any accompanying commentary or other speech.

title: sight gag


text:
Talk:короче, Склифосовский

Should Короче be capitalized?--Dixtosa-wikified me 20:28, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

title: Talk:короче, Склифосовский


text:
tséʼédǫ́ʼii bitsiinézí

Noun

 * 1) scorpionfly (Mecoptera)

title: tséʼédǫ́ʼii bitsiinézí


text:
giur

Etymology
From,. Compare 🇨🇬,.

Verb

 * 1) to swear, vow

Etymology
From, from. .

Adjective

 * 1) sensual

Etymology
From. .

Adjective

 * 1) sensual

title: giur


text:
naʼatłʼoʼii

Noun

 * 1) something that entwines
 * 2) embiopteran, webspinner

title: naʼatłʼoʼii


text:
naʼatłʼoʼ

Etymology
.

Verb

 * 1) to put up Christmas decorations
 * 2) to weave a web
 * 3) to play the cat's cradle game

Conjugation
.

Noun

 * 1) the cat's cradle game

title: naʼatłʼoʼ


text:
prałāt

Noun

 * 1) prelate

title: prałāt


text:
התמהמה

Verb

 * 1) to tarry, be delayed, dawdle

title: התמהמה


text:
gambius

Adjective

 * 1)  Gambian

title: gambius


text: gambia

title: gambia


text: gambium

title: gambium


text: gambii

title: gambii


text: gambiae

title: gambiae


text: gambiorum

title: gambiorum


text: gambiarum

title: gambiarum


text: gambio

title: gambio


text: gambiis

title: gambiis


text: gambiam

title: gambiam


text: gambios

title: gambios


text: gambias

title: gambias


text: gambie

title: gambie


text:
hahoodzooígíí biyiʼ

Adverb

 * 1) inside the marked-off area; within the marked-off area

title: hahoodzooígíí biyiʼ


text: Rednerinnen

title: Rednerinnen


text:
slinki

Adverb

 * 1) lazy, lazily;

title: slinki


text: slinkus

title: slinkus


text: slinku

title: slinku


text: slinkiem

title: slinkiem


text:
Talk:cousin-uncle

RFV
Really? Nothing obvious on a quick Google. SemperBlotto (talk) 06:56, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Only entry by, I've asked him to comment on his own talk page. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:29, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Checking I find exactly one mention and two uses, one of which is grammatically odd and the other of which is not hyphenated. So, it's plausible, but it may not quite meet CFI yet. See Citations:cousin-uncle. - -sche (discuss) 20:32, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Why restrict it to Mennonites? Usage notes says "used among the Mennonite ethnic group in Canada and possibly elsewhere", and it's not part of the definition. Chuck Entz (talk) 21:12, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I added "Mennonite" to filter out the mass of "... his cousin. Uncle Jim meanwhile...", but that's a good point: on Usenet I also saw citations referring to "cousin-uncles" among the Hmong and other groups. It does seem to be principally the Mennonites, though. - -sche (discuss) 22:02, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It seems to be implied in some of the Usenet uses that it's characteristic of backwards, rural usage, with pretended versions such as "Cousin Uncle Billy-Bob". One Google Books cite states that it's the correct usage (as opposed to "cousin"), referring to an article in the New England Historical and Genealogical Record that mentions cousin-nephews and cousin-nieces- but not cousin-aunts or cousin-uncles. Chuck Entz (talk) 22:47, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Also seems to be used in India and Pakistan, based on the cites I found. Compare cousin-brother/cousin-sister. Astral (talk) 23:24, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Ruakh has added another citation, and Astral has added many more, citing this (and cousin-aunt). Good work, everyone! - -sche (discuss) 22:15, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * RFV-passed. - -sche (discuss) 20:51, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

title: Talk:cousin-uncle


text:
slinkos

Adjective

title: slinkos


text: sliņķes

title: sliņķes


text: sliņķēs

title: sliņķēs


text: sliņķē

title: sliņķē


text: sliņķei

title: sliņķei


text:
Joukahainen

Etymology
. Has been compared with dialectal  and, on the other hand, with dialectal.

Proper noun

 * 1)  One of the main characters in Kalevala, the Finnish national epic.
 * 2) * 1849 (Translation 1988 by Eino Friberg) 6:129-134:
 * "fi"

- Tuossa nuori Joukahainen / Jo vähän ajattelevi, / Pikkuisen piättelevi: / Käsi käski ampumahan, / Käsi käski, toinen kielti, / Sormet suoniset pakotti.

 * 1) A database of Finnish words, maintained by the University of Turku, named after the mythological character.

title: Joukahainen


text: sliņķēm

title: sliņķēm


text: slinkam

title: slinkam


text: slinkām

title: slinkām


text:
slinkā

Adjective

title: slinkā


text: slinkai

title: slinkai


text:
slinkās

Adjective

title: slinkās


text: Category:pl:Breads

title: Category:pl:Breads


text: Category:ru:Breads

title: Category:ru:Breads


text:
ultu

Etymology
, a frequentative based on (via its past participle ). Compare 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1) to forget

title: ultu


text: willful blindness

title: willful blindness


text: NSK

title: NSK


text:
aveuglement volontaire

Etymology
lit. 'deliberate blindness'.

Noun

 * 1)  willful ignorance willful blindness

title: aveuglement volontaire


text: Samoanerinnen

title: Samoanerinnen


text:
sondeo a pie de urna

Noun

 * 1) exit poll

title: sondeo a pie de urna


text: siriaj

title: siriaj


text:
sirian

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) Syrian

Adjective

 * 1) Syrian

title: sirian


text: siriajn

title: siriajn


text: sirios

title: sirios


text: sirias

title: sirias


text:
Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/inkô

Etymology
From, from. Cognate with 🇨🇬 (whence 🇨🇬/, 🇨🇬 and dialectal 🇨🇬), 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) grief, ache, regret

title: Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/inkô


text: ylläpitäminen

title: ylläpitäminen


text:
brain bucket

Noun

 * 1)  A protective helmet, as worn, for example, by a motorcyclist, bicyclist, or soldier in combat.
 * 2) * 1987 July 7, Susan Bickelhaupt, "Tour de France Packed Solid," Boston Globe, Sports p. 33:
 * Roy Knickman of 7-Eleven said he fears more crashes today and will not keep his helmet far from sight. "I always wear my brain bucket," he said.
 * 1)  The skull.
 * 1)  The skull.
 * 1)  The skull.

title: brain bucket


text: brain-bucket

title: brain-bucket


text:
petlazoyatl

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) A mat woven from palm fronds.

title: petlazoyatl


text:
shooting glasses

Noun

 * 1)  A type of impact-resistant eyewear worn by shooters to prevent injury due to a cartridge or gun malfunction blowing hot gas or metal particles into the shooter's face.

title: shooting glasses


text:
គង់

Verb

 * 1)  to reside, live, stay, be located
 * 2)  to sit

Adjective

 * 1) to be safe, guarded, protected
 * 2) to be invulnerable
 * 3) to be firm, steadfast
 * 4) to be durable

Adverb

 * 1) inevitably, (will) surely, (will) certainly

title: គង់


text:
Nóódaʼí bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Ute (language)

title: Nóódaʼí bizaad


text:
Dziłghą́ʼiʼ bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Western Apache (language)

title: Dziłghą́ʼiʼ bizaad


text:
Tsiiʼyishbizhí Dineʼé bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Chinese (language)

title: Tsiiʼyishbizhí Dineʼé bizaad


text:
Nííhon bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Japanese (language)

title: Nííhon bizaad


text:
psicopata

Etymology
From, from.

Noun

 * 1) psychopath one who suffers from psychopathy

Adjective

 * 1) psychopathic exhibiting the behaviors and personality traits of a psychopath

title: psicopata


text:
Binááʼádaałtsʼózí dineʼé bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Japanese (language)

title: Binááʼádaałtsʼózí dineʼé bizaad


text:
Tʼoobááloo bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Tuvaluan (language)

title: Tʼoobááloo bizaad


text:
Kʼatalą́ą́ bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Catalan (language)

title: Kʼatalą́ą́ bizaad


text:
Dáághahii bizaad

Noun

 * 1) French (language)

title: Dáághahii bizaad


text:
Galego Dineʼé bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Galician (language)

title: Galego Dineʼé bizaad


text:
Hastiin Sequoyah

Proper noun

 * 1) Sequoyah

title: Hastiin Sequoyah


text:
Bééshbichʼahii bizaad

Noun

 * 1) German (language)

title: Bééshbichʼahii bizaad


text:
Talk:ghost

RFC
An anon (varied IP) has been adding numerous translations for numerous languages, many of which are suspect. Could experts in various languages please look over and correct/remove translations? --EncycloPetey 04:35, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

 * I have converted the RFC to TTBCs so that each language can be checked individually. This RFC would, frankly, be impossible to close, because the closer would need to be fluent in every listed language... whereas, the TTBCs preserve the information while waiting for speakers of each language to double-check the translations in their own time. - -sche (discuss) 05:25, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

 * People, please join on cleaning this one. If it's messy, it will take some time to clean up. Would be great to list only translations added by the suspicious IP, then it would be easier to check. Many of contributors will never come back and we may not be able to check the translations ourselves. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 05:30, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

RFV
RFV-sense: " A nature spirit, ancestor or house spirit (see brownie ) revered in Heathenry." (Needs to be distinct from the other senses.) - -sche (discuss) 06:10, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 23:39, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

gogol
Does this word for ghost in Albanian derive from the writer Nikolaj Gogol? 83.83.59.46 17:41, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Orthography
The article lacks explanation of the GH spelling, from Old Dutch Gheest (modern geest), as the books were early printed in the Netherlands, according something I read.--Manfariel (talk) 15:15, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

A long-term school truant who has fallen out of the system?
I spotted this mention:

 * 1982, Martin Roy Haskell, Lewis Yablonsky, Juvenile Delinquency (page 144)
 * He is one of possibly 90,000 youngsters listed by the Board of Education as long-term absentees and frequently referred to as "ghosts." Instead of going to school, they crowd department stores, the Port Authority bus terminal, the Bronx Zoo, Central Park, Coney Island. They wander the hallways of other schools.

Equinox ◑ 19:24, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Someone of whom there is no record

 * The Color Of A Ghost: (The Secret Coloring Book For Adults
 * Delia Dobbs · 2016
 * "He's a ghost. No jail time, no jobs that required fingerprints, no military service, nothing. No school records. No hospital. The FBI can't find anything on him. It's like he just doesn't exist.”

General Vicinity (talk) 16:02, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Transcendence: Aurora Rising Book Threebooks.google.co.uk › books
 * G. S. Jennsen · 2015
 * “He's a ghost—no identity, no fingerprints, no records, and there's not enough left of his eyes for a retinal scan.
 * “He's a ghost—no identity, no fingerprints, no records, and there's not enough left of his eyes for a retinal scan.

General Vicinity (talk) 16:04, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

title: Talk:ghost


text:
Naakaii bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Spanish (language)

title: Naakaii bizaad


text:
Biʼééʼ łichííʼí bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Russian (language)

title: Biʼééʼ łichííʼí bizaad


text:
Léétin bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Latin (language)

title: Léétin bizaad


text: Category:de:Sushi

title: Category:de:Sushi


text:
Albéínii bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Albanian (language)

title: Albéínii bizaad


text:
Gwíík bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Greek (language)

title: Gwíík bizaad


text: Saudi-Araberinnen

title: Saudi-Araberinnen


text:
Tsinaabąąs Dineʼé bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Afrikaans (language)

title: Tsinaabąąs Dineʼé bizaad


text:
Dibé Ndeiniłkaadí Dineʼé bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Basque (language)

title: Dibé Ndeiniłkaadí Dineʼé bizaad


text:
Doohatsʼíí Yátiʼ Dineʼé Bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Italian (language)

title: Doohatsʼíí Yátiʼ Dineʼé Bizaad


text:
Aárish bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Irish (language)

title: Aárish bizaad


text:
Hííbwoo bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Hebrew (language)

title: Hííbwoo bizaad


text:
Ásáí bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Arabic (language)

title: Ásáí bizaad


text: Saxophonistinnen

title: Saxophonistinnen


text:
Azééwii bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Azeri (language)

title: Azééwii bizaad


text:
Fwíízhin Dineʼé bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Frisian (language)

title: Fwíízhin Dineʼé bizaad


text:
Tʼáámiil bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Tamil (language)

title: Tʼáámiil bizaad


text:
Tʼóok bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Turkish (language)

title: Tʼóok bizaad


text:
Aymara bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Aymara (language)

title: Aymara bizaad


text:
Kéchwa bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Quechua (language)

title: Kéchwa bizaad


text:
Méhigo bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Nahuatl (language)

title: Méhigo bizaad


text: Schneiderinnen

title: Schneiderinnen


text:
Aooméénii bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Armenian (language)

title: Aooméénii bizaad


text:
Hawáai Dineʼé bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Hawaiian (language)

title: Hawáai Dineʼé bizaad


text:
User:KYPark/역지사지

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Etymology
Derived from, literally, "varying instances lead all sages to a stance," idiomatically, "great minds think alike," or figuratively, "all roads lead to Rome," as mentioned in Mencius (孟子, 맹자, c. 4th century BCE), a Confucian classic and one of the Four Books.

Proverb
(易地思之, yeog-ji-sa-ji)
 * 1) (golden rule: positive form of moral reciprocity): do unto others as you would have them do unto you; one should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself.
 * (Matthew 7:12): "all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them"
 * (Luke 6:31): "as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise"
 * (Global Ethic): "We must treat others as we wish others to treat us."
 * 1) (silver rule: negative form of moral reciprocity): don't do unto others what you wouldn't have them do unto you; one should not treat others as one would not like to be treated.
 * (Confucius): "What one wouldn't like shouldn't be done to the other." (己所不欲 勿施於人 ) (Wiktionary translation)

Synonyms

 * (silver rule): -- Confucius

Etymology
Derived from, as mentioned in Mencius (孟子, 맹자, c. 4th century BCE), a Confucian classic and one of the Four Books.

Proverb
(易地思之, yeog-ji-sa-ji)

 * 1) do unto others as you would have them do unto you; one should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself.
 * 2) don't do unto others what you wouldn't have them do unto you; one should not treat others as one would not like to be treated.

title: User:KYPark/역지사지


text:
Chek bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Czech (language)

title: Chek bizaad


text:
Póolish Dineʼé bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Polish (language)

title: Póolish Dineʼé bizaad


text:
Létbii bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Latvian (language)

title: Létbii bizaad


text:
Hángewii dineʼé bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Hungarian (language)

title: Hángewii dineʼé bizaad


text:
Kolíya dineʼé bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Korean (language)

title: Kolíya dineʼé bizaad


text:
Nahoditsʼǫʼłání Dineʼé bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Finnish (language)

title: Nahoditsʼǫʼłání Dineʼé bizaad


text:
Jóojah Dineʼé bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Georgian (language)

title: Jóojah Dineʼé bizaad


text:
Déinish Dineʼé bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Danish (language)

title: Déinish Dineʼé bizaad


text: Schwedinnen

title: Schwedinnen


text:
Chʼah diʼilii bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Mongolian (language)

title: Chʼah diʼilii bizaad


text:
Látsębooʼ bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Luxembourgish (language)

title: Látsębooʼ bizaad


text:
Wooméin bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Romanian (language)

title: Wooméin bizaad


text:
Ééstii bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Estonian (language)

title: Ééstii bizaad


text:
Maléízha bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Malay (language)

title: Maléízha bizaad


text:
Yóókwein bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Ukrainian (language)

title: Yóókwein bizaad


text:
Wóómąsh bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Romansch (language)

title: Wóómąsh bizaad


text:
Híndoo bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Hindi (language)

title: Híndoo bizaad


text:
Bálgaa bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Bulgarian (language)

title: Bálgaa bizaad


text:
Séwib bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Serbian (language)

title: Séwib bizaad


text:
Eʼeʼaahjí Naakaii Dootłʼizhí bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Urdu (language)

title: Eʼeʼaahjí Naakaii Dootłʼizhí bizaad


text:
Hakʼaz Dineʼé bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Inuktitut (language)

title: Hakʼaz Dineʼé bizaad


text:
Haʼaʼaahjí Hakʼaz Dineʼé bizaad

Proper noun

 * 1) Greenlandic (language)

title: Haʼaʼaahjí Hakʼaz Dineʼé bizaad


text:
Indoníízha bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Indonesian (language)

title: Indoníízha bizaad


text:
چہ

Preposition

 * 1) from

title: چہ


text:
Mííanmáa bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Burmese, Myanmar (language)

title: Mííanmáa bizaad


text:
Słóbaʼ bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Slovak (language)

title: Słóbaʼ bizaad


text:
Category:Baluchi prepositions

ko:분류:전치사(발루치어)

title: Category:Baluchi prepositions


text:
Tʼáí bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Thai (language)

title: Tʼáí bizaad


text:
Zulu Dineʼé bizaad

Noun

 * 1) Zulu (language)

title: Zulu Dineʼé bizaad