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Talk:persona

persona
Sense: (computer graphics) A type of skin used in Mozilla software. Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV 15:58, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Does a sense invented specifically for one piece of software satisfy CFI? Jamesjiao → T ◊ C 01:53, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * WT:BRAND is probably the closest we have. Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV 18:34, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

 * Compare registry: (which only Microsoft Windows has). Equinox ◑ 19:27, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

 * Compare also hotel: (the Monopoly game piece), which only occurs in that game. Equinox ◑ 00:06, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Kept as no consensus. — Ungoliant (Falai) 04:54, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Note: This sense was removed by Born2bgratis on 11 December 2016 (Special:Diff/41856426: “no idea why somebody thought it was a good idea to promote a trademark here. For the record, Mozilla dropped the term long ago.”) J3133 (talk) 23:14, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:genetically modified organism

genetically modified organism
Any organism which has been genetically modified. According to Wikipedia, what we call "recombinant DNA technology" is the totality of the techniques used to genetically modify something. Mglovesfun (talk) 22:15, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

 * Neutral observation: this term is commonly expressed by an abbreviation, GMO. Equinox ◑ 22:16, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I don't understand why this is listed. If the definition is wrong, that's an RFV issue (or it could by changed without RFV). But the term has long-term wide-spread use, so Keep.--Dmol (talk) 22:39, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No it's right, see my comment "Any organism which has been genetically modified". Mglovesfun (talk) 22:40, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I understand the listing. It's like, say, "genetic tampering" (which can be found in very many texts), where it just refers to tampering with genes. The ol' sum of parts. Brown leaf. But I'm not taking a stance with this one at the moment. Equinox ◑ 22:41, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That reply was for Dmol (just in case it wasn't clear). And obviously I don't oppose GMO. Mglovesfun (talk) 22:45, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia also gives genetically engineered organism. I've added GEO. Mglovesfun (talk) 22:47, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

 * Comment., , , , , and are all very well attested: each has at least a few hundred hits on b.g.c., and a few are in the tens of thousands. (Not that I really trust b.g.c. counts, to be honest. But it's better than nothing.) So, maybe redirect to [[genetically modified]]? —Ruakh TALK 23:00, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, fine, or delete. —msh210℠ (talk) 07:34, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Am actually fine with the redirect for once; searching for genetically modified organism seems to not bring up genetically modified at all, which is worrying. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:59, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

 * Redirected. — Ungoliant (Falai) 05:52, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:a treat

a treat
Adjective PoS. "very good". No usage example or cite is given, but it is indicated as comparable. If it is only used as part of a predicate, it is almost certainly interpretable as a noun phrase, to be covered at [[treat]]. Is it attestably gradable or comparable? How could it be positioned as an attributive adjective without the noun interpretation being more natural? He is an a treat goalie. or, postpositively He is a goalie a treat.? DCDuring TALK 18:16, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

 * Delete. This is clearly covered already by the second noun definition. --BB12 (talk) 04:51, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete, absolutely. Mglovesfun (talk) 08:41, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * @BB: How do you parse the phrase when used adverbially? DCDuring TALK 13:15, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

 * That usage was new to me. Even thought it wasn't nominated, I Googled it and was surprised to see it's in common use. FWIW, I think it has to stay as I cannot see how it could be subsumed under "treat." --BB12 (talk) 16:59, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Me neither. As the adverbial use is in the language in the UK, there might be a case for this term being 'felt' as an adjective by UK speakers. But I would really like to see more use besides in a predicate to accept that. DCDuring TALK 18:24, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * has no relevant hits; has quite a few that are at least arguably relevant. Plus what others have written above; delete. —msh210℠ (talk) 18:49, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Gone. —msh210℠ (talk) 21:01, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:all for

all for
Actually just all: + for:. Usex: I'm all for people being able to edit this dictionary. But this kind of entry makes you wonder of the wisdom of it. DCDuring TALK 18:25, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know, this feels rather idiomatic to me. You certainly can't necessarily translate it into other languages by translating the relevant meaning of "all" followed by the relevant meaning of "for". —Angr 18:47, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep, instinctively. Also you can't say all against which makes me think this isn't a sense of against, but rather a two word idiom. Mglovesfun (talk) 19:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * @Angr: Isn't it just all: + for:. Lots of frequently used collocations seem to have stronger glue linking them than normally combining words, which in turn have stronger glue than novel combinations like raspberry printer. DCDuring TALK 19:51, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * @MG: By the stated argument we should have utterly against (and probably others), because one cannot readily find utterly for with this sense of for. DCDuring TALK 19:56, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I suppose, if retained, this should not be an adjective, but rather a preposition, as it takes a mandatory complement and forms, with that complement, a phrase that serves just like a PP headed by for. This offered all in good fun. DCDuring TALK 20:10, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, it makes me wonder why you can't say "I'm all against having people editing this dictionary". Equinox ◑ 22:03, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. It seems you can, though it appears much less common. DCDuring TALK 23:10, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You evidently spent ages trying to find that :D. I've got a hunch we should have an adverbial sense at all meaning entirely, but could it be used in other phrases? I'm all over...? Hmm? Maybe not. Equinox ◑ 23:12, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * We have it as all:, but I think it needs a gloss-type definition as well. We can select from the set of all intensifiers, the ones that are closest: wholly and quite are what MWOnline has, entirely seems even better. But there might be others, too. Probably all intensifiers should have glosses and some may not. DCDuring TALK 23:33, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * @DCDuring, you kinda misinterpreted me. What I actually said was I don't know if there is such a sense of all, unless it is used in the phrase all for. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:47, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

 * Kept. — Ungoliant (Falai) 06:09, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:-armed

-armed
Isn't this just armed used with a hyphen? Numerous such 'combining form' entries with a hyphen have been deleted/redirected, I'm not even sure we need to debate this, but here it is, just in case we do. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:05, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I think this can be speedy redirected to armed, potentially after copying missing senses and translations. Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 14:02, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I think I've cleaned up armed in both etymologies so that this could be redirected. DCDuring TALK 13:06, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirected. — Ungoliant (Falai) 07:27, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

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Wiktionary:Votes/sy-2012-09/User:Vahagn Petrosyan for de-sysop

User:Vahagn Petrosyan for de-sysop

 * Proposals: I hereby propose that be removed from the "administrators" group, for the reasons given in the below-linked discussions. Alternatively, that he be given a warning that he will be removed from that group if he makes more edits of the sort mentioned in those discussions. —Ruakh TALK 17:44, 19 September 2012 (UTC) and 03:32, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Votes start: 23 September 2012, 00:00
 * Votes end: 21 October 2012, 23:59
 * Discussion:
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Beer parlour (or, once it's been archived: Beer parlour/2012/September)
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Wiktionary talk:Votes/sy-2012-09/User:Vahagn Petrosyan for de-sysop

Be sure to vote on both questions! (I mean, unless you choose not to. We won't, like, throw out votes on one issue by people who skipped the other. But a vote on one issue will have no effect on the other.)

Proposal 1: Immediate de-sysopping

 * If this proposal passes, then will be desysopped. (Obviously this doesn't preclude the possibility of resysopping him in the future, but that would require another vote.)

Support immediate de-sysopping

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support  11:47, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Njardarlogar (talk) 11:50, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Clear support Gauss (talk) 20:54, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. Instead of apologizing, he has mocked Wiktionary. No opinion on the other part of this proposal. --BB12 (talk) 06:13, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * If part 1 fails, then it is part 2 that matters; so if one wants there to be any significant official response at all to the vandalism, either 1 or 2 must pass. Njardarlogar (talk) 21:31, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The BP discussion and this proposal are warning enough. If this proposal fails, then I see no reason to worry about his vandalism and lack of apology. --BB12 (talk) 17:22, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * If the below vote fails, then there is no warning: there will be a demonstrated lack of consensus for de-sysopping him, even if his vandalism continues. (I guess it will "warn" him that a lot of editors are bothered by his edits, but he obviously doesn't mind that.) —Ruakh TALK 17:31, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * If he continues making inappropriate changes to the main namespace after all this brouhaha he created (and could have easily dispelled), then I believe even those not supporting this proposal will support desysoping without further ado. Regardless of the second part of this proposal, further discussion would be required if there is further vandalism. I would prefer dealing with that theoretical situation only after it occurs. --BB12 (talk) 17:49, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * If the vote below fails, then there will be a demonstrated lack of consensus even for warning him, or indeed for paying any attention to him. Some of the comments below make it clear that there are Wiktionarians who don't see Vahag's behavior as problematic at all and who won't mind if he continues to vandalize mainspace with impunity. —Angr 17:54, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Since we don't know if he will do more vandalism, it's still only theoretical. If there is further vandalism, then I think it should be dealt with at that time with a response appropriate to the act. Administrators have gained their status because the community trusts and respects them. If the community decides to not desysop him at this time, then I will return to my former stance of trusting and respecting Vahagn Petrosyan until there is a reason for me to feel otherwise. --BB12 (talk) 18:18, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Ƿidsiþ 17:33, 29 September 2012 (UTC) Much as I like Vahagn, he's a much better editor than he is a sysop. Wonderfool also produced lots of good edits with occasional bouts of vandalism, I don't really see the difference (and personally I find all the tedious gay jokes more objectionable than any wonderfoolery).
 * Wonderfool needed the sysop tools to do his kind of vandalism; what Vahag does does not require any sysop tools. Sysop tools help Vahag with the work that he does, but the tools are not used in making his humorous examples and comments. Also, Vahag lives in a part of the world where there is no gay culture, and the gay culture is unknown except for what can be gleaned from Western internet comments. Gay comments do not have the meaning for him that they have for you. So there is a vast difference between Wonderfool’s deliberate vandalism using sysop tools and Vahag’s light-hearted comments and humorous, if tasteless, examples. —Stephen (Talk) 18:21, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, well, ignorantia juris non excusat. Something is either appropriate behaviour for admins here, or it isn't. Ƿidsiþ 19:35, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I see it as a different and equally valid culture. The culture of Britain or the culture of America are not the only correct cultures. I am astounded at the parochial attitude of some here, and I think the problem is this unsophisticated attitude and nothing that Vahag has written or thought. It is surprising how tolerant and understanding he is, considering where he was raised. More surprising is how intolerant and narrow-minded some of the English (and probably American, but I’m not sure) admins. Well, whatever. It is what it is. —Stephen (Talk) 21:11, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The only culture relevant here is the culture of the Wiktionary community, which Vahag is as much a part of as any of us, and in this culture it is not acceptable for admins to vandalize pages, least of all mainspace pages. Whether the content of that vandalism is considered "offensive" or "light-hearted and humorous" has nothing to do with the case. The issue of getting him to stop making disruptive edits, while hopefully keeping him here as a constructive editor, would still be present even if what he had written was no more offensive than "I like pie". —Angr 22:26, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree. Being from another culture does not make one exempt from local laws - or policies in this case. --Ixfd64 (talk) 18:12, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Sounds like an irresponsible and selfish individual with bipolar. Jamesjiao → T ◊ C 04:38, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Neskaya … gawonisgv? 05:27, 9 October 2012 (UTC) Better editor than admin, and frankly I've been sick of the disruptive edits and distasteful jokes for years now. --Neskaya … gawonisgv? 05:27, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Dan Polansky (talk) 17:44, 12 October 2012 (UTC) Personal attacks like  from 16 September 2012 are unworthy of an admin.  from 5 April 2012 is of especially poor taste. I don't see any repentance coming. --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:44, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) Symbol support vote.svg Support as Vahagn has so far given no indication that he understands that his behavior is problematic, or that he intends to stop making "joke" edits, or indeed that he cares about the Wiktionary community at all. While he hasn't abused the admin tools, he has abused the trust that is put in admins. —Angr 19:07, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) Symbol support vote.svgSupport. —msh210℠ (talk) 21:56, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 6) Symbol support vote.svg Support.  I cannot believe that such homophobic and anti-semitic vandalism has not resulted in a permanent ban, let alone just desysoping. Spinning Spark ''' 00:03, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Oppose immediate de-sysopping

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose   -- Liliana • 08:15, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose Mglovesfun (talk) 11:48, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose  Equinox ◑ 12:21, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose  --Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 15:18, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose. — Ungoliant (Falai) 20:35, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 6) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 22:49, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 7) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose  —Stephen (Talk) 00:39, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 8) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose  BigDom (t • c) 18:53, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 9) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose  —Internoob 21:08, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 10) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Strong Oppose We cannot de-sysop Vahagn, because he's the only admin from Armenia. Maro 16:08, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 11) * Quite frankly that doesn't actually matter -- we can have no Admins from Armenia and still have other administrators deal with issues from Armenian when brought to attention by editors. We do not and never have and hopefully never will have a policy of necessarily having an admin for every language on Wikt. --Neskaya … gawonisgv? 05:29, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 12) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose - I agree that some of Vahagn's edits are indeed crossing the line. An admin should certainly know better. However, he is overall a great contributor to Wiktionary and has never abused his admin tools, so I cannot support an immediate revocation of his admin flag. He should definitely be warned, though. --Ixfd64 (talk) 18:08, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 13) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose  Ivan Štambuk (talk) 18:37, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 14) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose --Makaokalani (talk) 14:15, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 15) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose  —  [Ric Laurent] — 13:34, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 16) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose This vote and its stats are a sufficient warning. biblbroksдискашн 19:31, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 17) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose  ---> Tooironic (talk) 03:53, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 18) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose I fail to see a rationale for such a harsh punishment in a slightly facetious remark about some misformed Armenian neologism. For more details, vide infra. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 09:04, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose I fail to see a rationale for such a harsh punishment in a slightly facetious remark about some misformed Armenian neologism. For more details, vide infra. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 09:04, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Abstain re: immediate de-sysopping

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol abstain vote.svg|20px]] Abstain —Ruakh TALK 13:10, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol abstain vote.svg Abstain for now. If and when Vahagn apologizes and promises to stop vandalizing/making "joke" edits/hiding "Easter eggs" in mainspace, I'll switch to oppose; if he doesn't, I'll switch to support. —Angr 15:05, 23 September 2012 (UTC) Switching vote to Support

Proposal 2: Warning/eventual de-sysopping

 * If proposal 1 passes, then this proposal will automatically be withdrawn as irrelevant.
 * If this proposal passes, and continues to make problematic edits (as described above under "Proposals" and below under "Support" votes), then he will be de-sysopped (without need for a further vote).
 * Note that the above-linked discussions mention a few different types of edits. Voters in "support" are invited to clarify which type(s) of edits they consider to be grounds for de-sysopping.

Support warning/eventual de-sysopping

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support  11:47, 23 Septemberl 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Njardarlogar (talk) 11:50, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Clarification: 'problematic edits' are synonymous to 'vandalism' for me in this vote. Particularly, but not exclusively, in the main namespace. Njardarlogar (talk) 14:25, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Equinox ◑ 12:21, 23 September 2012 (UTC) Offensiveness aside, "joke edits" make us look childish and unprofessional, and if we let admins habitually do this then we are going to be even less reliable as a resource. Equinox ◑ 12:21, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * We are childish, unprofessional and unreliable. —  [Ric Laurent] — 17:59, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support, except that I do not think the "big penis" example sentences are vandalism. They genuinely demonstrate the use of the headwords, and they're not offensive: silly, but not vandalism. Humor-that-falls-flat is not grounds for de-sysopping. —Ruakh TALK 13:10, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * But what do you think a user would (not should!) do if they came across such an example? 14:46, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I have no idea. Do users do things? :-P  —Ruakh TALK 14:58, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * They use? Use Wiktionary? And hopefully, they'll keep using it. So if there is something like this that could drive users away, we probably need to consider whether we should change it. I'd hate students of Armenian to forego using Wiktionary as their dictionary because a few too many of our usage examples are about penises. 15:20, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * To make this a bit more explicit — I do have a problem with discussion-page comments about other editors' races, ethnicities, religions, sexual orientations, and nationalities. —Ruakh TALK 17:07, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Symbol support vote.svg Support —Angr 15:06, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support  but I would be very disappointed in our 'crats if any of them desysopped him for activity outside of the content namespaces (main, rhymes, citations, etc). --Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 15:21, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not really a matter of disappointment and of 'crats. Many of the complained-about edits were on discussion pages; one aim of this vote is to clarify whether the discussion-page edits warrant de-sysopping. If the conclusion is that they do, then you can hardly be disappointed in a 'crat — let alone all 'crats — for following consensus. (But you're welcome to be disappointed in voters, including at least one 'crat, for voting that way. :-P  ) —Ruakh TALK 15:30, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean by "many of the complained-about edits", because the list compiled by Ungoliant (and Vahag himself) was explicitly almost wholly not complained-about. The points that users actually brought up in the BP were almost always about stuff like the :gay: categories and the rogue usage note, which were both mainspace acts. And I would interpret comments like those that Equinox made to mean that he agrees with me that what matters is content that anons regularly see, not places like WT:V. --Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 15:43, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I've complained about them, and I'm not alone. The mainspace edits are obviously worse than the discussion-page edits, but I find both to be unacceptable.  You may be right about Equinox's comments; I interpreted them as indicating that his vote is especially about mainspace edits, but perhaps he did mean that his vote is exclusively about mainspace edits. —Ruakh TALK 17:07, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, mainspace is most important. I can be pretty rude myself in talkspace. Heh. Equinox ◑ 20:40, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support eventual de-sysopping if he makes edits similar to the usage notes of երկկտտացնել (for which he apologised). Joke edits are fine as long as they are not too harsh, not too frequent and he cleans them up. — Ungoliant (Falai) 20:35, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support. At the very least this option. Recurrent offensive remarks "justified" as "humour" are a reason for de-sysopping, IMO.  — Gauss (talk) 20:54, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Your edit-summary says that this comment was meant as disagreement with mine, but — I completely agree with it. You must have misunderstood me. (Oh, or you find Vahag's example-sentences about his alleged big penis to be offensive?) —Ruakh TALK 22:58, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I disagree with your statement Humor-that-falls-flat is not grounds for de-sysopping - this may be true for non-mainspace edits but there we're looking at offensive "jokes". When applied to his mainspace edits, this kind of "humor" is inappropriate and sysops are expected to refrain from adding inappropriate material. In addition, without the clarification by yourself, your comment could be misunderstood in the sense that you don't see any offensive edits that would justify de-sysopping anywhere.
 * Ah, O.K. I just meant that, although the "big penis" jokes were stupid and unfunny, they weren't actually a problem. But anyway, I've struck that comment from my vote now, to avoid further confusion. —Ruakh TALK 18:40, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support BigDom (t • c) 18:53, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Weak support - again, an admin should know better than this. He has not abused his admin tools, so there is no reason to take them away for now. However, he does need a very stern warning, IMO. --Ixfd64 (talk) 18:07, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Neskaya … gawonisgv? 05:30, 9 October 2012 (UTC) Again, I have a huge, huge problem with this user's discussion-space jokes that are in poor taste and the general behaviour, including his blatant statement that we can't desysop him. I'm going to state that I support him being warned no matter what, even though I would rather he simply had his tools/privileges removed. --Neskaya … gawonisgv? 05:30, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support Dan Polansky (talk) 17:44, 12 October 2012 (UTC) Personal attacks like  from 16 September 2012 are unworthy of an admin.  from 5 April 2012 is of especially poor taste. I don't see any repentance coming. --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:44, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support - -sche (discuss) 22:33, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 6) Symbol support vote.svgSupport. —msh210℠ (talk) 21:56, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 7) [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px]] Support ---> Tooironic (talk) 03:54, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Oppose warning/eventual de-sysopping

 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose   This is basically a huge invitation for trolling and baiting Vahag to get him banned desysoped on purpose. I cannot accept that. -- Liliana • 08:15, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * How could someone troll/bait him into vandalizing an entry? Or into making offensive racist/homophobic/anti-Semitic comments? —Ruakh TALK 13:18, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Given that "problematic edits" is nowhere defined, simple comments offensive to Armenians in his entries would be a good enough bait for him. -- Liliana • 14:08, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * O.K., I've modified the vote-text to explain what "problematic edits" means. (If anyone objects, they can revert.) But regardless, keep in mind that only someone in the "Bureaucrats" group can de-sysop someone, and none of the members of that group is about to let themself be manipulated in such a way. —Ruakh TALK 14:26, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose. Based on wording alone. It leaves a lot, I mean A LOT of room for interpretation and to eliminate that I think we'd need a vote, hence self-defeating. Even if the wording were better, I think the Beer Parlour discussion is already a de facto verbal warning and we don't need another. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:50, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but you're completely wrong: if this vote fails, then we cannot treat the BP discussion as a warning, because it will be clear that we don't have consensus to de-sysop him, even if these edits continue. —Ruakh TALK 14:43, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Whether you know it or not, you've answered my query above. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:05, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose The punishment is too harsh and there was no formal warning. I don't approve what Vahag did but an apology would be sufficient. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 22:56, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't follow. You object to giving him a warning . . . on the grounds that there hasn't been a warning? :-/  —Ruakh TALK 20:37, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Vahag is a long-timer and 99.99% of his edits are very good and reliable. His bad edits have been reversed, he admitted that he did them and he has stopped it. If we see a newcomer vandalising a page, we can block him/her but if a contributor of many years does some naughty things we could start with a warning, at least. His contributions are very valuable but there were a lot of negative comments on BP and here - obviously people have only noticed the bad edits, not his 53 thousand good edits. He really spoilt it with those edits, . I understand why you are personally upset but I think we should give him another chance. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 23:07, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Re: "we could start with a warning": This proposal is to start with a warning.  Re: "we should give him another chance": This proposal is to give him another chance.   What am I missing? —Ruakh TALK 23:12, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The "eventual de-sysopping" bit, sounds like a vendetta. As "problematic edits" I would restrict the definition to only racist (including anti-Semitic or other xenophobic edits), homophobic comments/edits in the main space (I hate these type of comments in the talk pages as well but they are not a reason for desysopping). Not sure if "gay.Category" edits were really homophobic. As a better of two evils, I would change my vote to "abstain" or even "support" if definition was less threatening. I'd have to give it a thought. I agree with Mglovesfun who said that the BP discussion was already enough warning. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 23:51, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Re: "The 'eventual de-sysopping' bit, sounds like a vendetta": It wasn't meant to. The point is just that "warning" is a bit meaningless on its own: a warning of what? Answer: a warning of eventual de-sysopping if the bad edits continue.  Re: "As 'problematic edits' I would restrict ": As an 'oppose' voter, you're voting that he shouldn't be desysopped even if all of the problematic edits continue. The classification of edits as 'problematic' or not is a matter for 'support' voters to decide, because the classification only makes sense if the proposal passes. —Ruakh TALK 23:58, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose this nonsense as well. —Stephen (Talk) 00:43, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose  —Internoob 21:08, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Strong Oppose We cannot warn and eventually de-sysop Vahagn, because of many reasons. The main reason is that he didn't abuse admin tools; he didn't delete something or block someone, so there is no reason to desysop. Most of these, so-called disruptive edits, were not in the main space. Those, which were in the main space, were reverted immediately. Those which weren't reverted, weren't harmful. Maro 16:08, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose  Ivan Štambuk (talk) 18:37, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose This vote is a warning. Something should be done if Vahag adds any more gay categories or ethnic/homophobic jokes in the main namespace, but let's discuss it if/when it happens. I thought of supporting a warning, but the comments of Jamesjiao and Neskaya put me off. Desysopped for joking in the talk pages! I don't see sysops as role models, only as people with special tools, and Vahag has not misused his tools. Volunteers can only be punished by blocking. Vahag deserved those short blocks. A longer block next time? Plus: many of Vahag's comments and even jokes are constructive (the duel between Ivan Štambuk and Robert Ullmann). --Makaokalani (talk) 14:15, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * One of the roles of admins is to combat vandalism. This user does the opposite, thus he is clearly not admin material. Njardarlogar (talk) 15:14, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose  —  [Ric Laurent] — 13:34, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose Was meaning to vote support but the wording is too vague and since the vote itself is a warning, I see no need for any explicit warning. --biblbroksдискашн 19:36, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose. Liliana is right that it's important to vote, so I am voting. If the first proposal fails, then appropriate steps should be taken in the future when the occasion arises. It is not appropriate to mandate steps in advance of theoretical behavior. --BB12 (talk) 19:39, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]] Oppose. Let us perpend the accusations directed against Vahag by juxtaposing the allegations with his impeccable interaction with users who may be related to their content. One might accuse Vahag of homophobia, but this would be far-fetched and ungrounded considering his affable relationship with Dick Laurent. When one decides on whether to impose desysopping, not only one’s alleged trespasses ought to be taken into accont, but one’s benign acts as well. One might accuse Vahag of Turkophobia, again inadvertently oblivious of Vahag’s obliging and ungrudging responses (there are other occurences as well) to quæstions posed by our user from Saranta Ekklesiai (in East Thrace): therefore this conjecture again turns out to be ungrounded. There is one wise, edifying sutta in Aṅguttara Nikāya (III.101) which says that just as a lump of salt is unable to make Ganges’ water saline, a minor misdemeanour committed by a wise, perspicacious man who has numerous benefactions on his record will neither lead him to perdition, nor unleash perceivable adversities. I believe this is Vahag’s case too and I remain convinced that his contributions and obliging answers outweigh by far a modicum of inconsideration of which he already repented. Numbers quoted there by Vahag showing the infinitesimal percentage of indecorous edits in his contributions seem to justify my comparison with the case recounted in the sutta. Moreover, I was profoundly nonplussed by the overt misrepræsentation of Vahag who has been making invaluable contributions to Armenian entries and has thereby been accomplishing a laudable job for more than three years, at the end of this comment by Angr. This upsets me more strongly than the actions being discussed here. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 09:04, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Decision
Results: Conclusion: —Ruakh TALK 00:56, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The first vote fails, 11–17–1.
 * The second vote shows no consensus, 15–12–1.
 * My read on this is that a large majority actually does support de-sysopping Vahagn if his mainspace vandalism continues, but only a "small" majority supports doing so without another vote.
 * I think this actually should be a pass — when the question is "Do we trust so-and-so with such-and-such privilege?", we should require a consensus in order to award or retain the privilege, rather than in order to award or revoke it — but that hasn't been our custom to date, and it would be ugly to try to adopt to custom right now, by closing this vote in a non-customary direction.
 * Vahagn will not be de-sysopped at this point. Naturally, if his mainspace vandalism continues, or if particularly egregious past examples should come to light, a new discussion can be started.
 * I would support a vote to amend the way we handle "votes of confidence" in a person. If a vote is about the faith of the community in a person or in a certain other situation, the criteria for that vote should be the same as in a vote establishing that faith in the first place. So if the conclusion of a vote is that there is no longer a consensus on keeping someone as an admin, we should treat that the same as if we were nominating them for adminship. Or to say it another way, certain votes can be held to re-affirm that faith, instead of to demonstrate lack of it. 01:04, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * So you're saying that the 11–17–1 first vote (I didn't count votes and am trusting Ruakh's count) should pass and desysop, since 17–11–1 fails to make someone an admin? —msh210℠ (talk) 06:28, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is what I am arguing. It seems unfair to have such a vote biased by status quo. If Vahag had not already been a sysop, he wouldn't have made it to being one with this vote. So why should the outcome be different simply because he is a sysop already? 11:46, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * But that's not what the vote was about. It was voted to remove his sysop rights, not to confirm them. If it had been stated from the beginning that this was a confirmation vote, people may have voted differently. -- Liliana • 11:54, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Are there any agreed upon rules regarding confirmation votes? I mean, I haven't come across anything similar in my wiki experience. --biblbroksдискашн 17:11, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikisource has them. There, all admins are up for reelection once a year (in practice, more like every 13 months), so if an admin has lost the community's trust, they can vote to remove his sysop bit at the next confirmation discussion at the latest. —Angr 20:15, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I sure hope we won't be getting that here. -- Liliana • 20:21, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * This is also the case in German wikipedia. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 17:42, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It would make sense to have a weaker form of that, to say that a elevated user privilege would be revoked if the vote of confidence does not pass a simple majority. DAVilla 05:38, 26 November 2012 (UTC)


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Etymology
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ნამიოკობანა

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title: ნამიოკობანა


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raod

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სანდრო

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title: სანდრო


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sesçi

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title: User:Dixtosa/Alternative frequency list


text: oLwesihlanu

title: oLwesihlanu


text:
uMgqibelo

Noun

 * 1) Saturday

Etymology
From, derived from the verb.

Noun

 * 1) Saturday

Etymology
From, derived from the verb.

Noun

 * 1) Saturday

title: uMgqibelo


text: imiGqibelo

title: imiGqibelo


text:
iSonto

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) Sunday

title: iSonto


text: amaSonto

title: amaSonto


text:
inamiciție

Etymology
,, based on (as with ).

Noun

 * 1)  enmity

title: inamiciție


text:
isonto

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) week
 * 2) church

title: isonto


text: amasonto

title: amasonto


text:
skaņa

Etymology
Akin to 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) sound

Etymology
A 17th-century derivation from the stem of the verb (q.v.):  >, alongside the simpler (dialectal) form.

Noun

 * 1)  sound wave-like vibrations in the air or some similar medium which are capable of causing auditory sensations
 * 2) sound the auditory effect of these vibrations
 * 3)  sound smallest articulatory unit in language
 * 1) sound the auditory effect of these vibrations
 * 2)  sound smallest articulatory unit in language
 * 1) sound the auditory effect of these vibrations
 * 2)  sound smallest articulatory unit in language
 * 1) sound the auditory effect of these vibrations
 * 2)  sound smallest articulatory unit in language
 * 1)  sound smallest articulatory unit in language
 * 1)  sound smallest articulatory unit in language
 * 1)  sound smallest articulatory unit in language
 * 1)  sound smallest articulatory unit in language
 * 1)  sound smallest articulatory unit in language
 * 1)  sound smallest articulatory unit in language
 * 1)  sound smallest articulatory unit in language
 * 1)  sound smallest articulatory unit in language
 * 1)  sound smallest articulatory unit in language
 * 1)  sound smallest articulatory unit in language
 * 1)  sound smallest articulatory unit in language

title: skaņa


text:
correspondentship

Noun

 * 1) The role or status of correspondent.

title: correspondentship


text: correspondentships

title: correspondentships


text: Category:lv:Acoustics

title: Category:lv:Acoustics


text:
skans

Etymology
. ..

Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, and 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) A sconce; a type of small fort or other fortification.
 * 2)  the crew's quarters on an (older) ship, a forecastle

title: skans


text: იქნება

title: იქნება


text: ეხლა

title: ეხლა


text:
law of attraction

Noun

 * 1)  The belief that thinking about someone or something attracts it and causes it or the individual to manifest in one's life.

Translations

 * Spanish: ley de atracción

title: law of attraction


text: მინდა

title: მინდა


text: მაქვს

title: მაქვს


text: გინდა

title: გინდა


text:
Talk:кӏэй

кӀэй (kay) is the low part of a certain area. If there is a small hill for example, it's lower parts are кӀэй. In the Circassian village Kfar Kama for example they call the lower geographically parts of the villige кӀэй.--Adamsa123 (talk) 19:31, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

 * English words that might be relevant:
 * lowland: an area which is lower than other areas that are nearby
 * foothills: hills at the base of a mountain (lower than the mountain)
 * base: the base of a hill is the lower part of it, where it "starts"
 * - -sche (discuss) 04:42, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

title: Talk:кӏэй


text: ამას

title: ამას


text: არიან

title: არიან


text: ერმა

title: ერმა


text: ერს

title: ერს


text:
ჩვენი

Etymology
From, from.

Pronoun

 * 1) our

title: ჩვენი


text: Category:ca:United Kingdom

title: Category:ca:United Kingdom


text: Category:fro:United Kingdom

title: Category:fro:United Kingdom


text:
იმიტომ

Conjunction

 * 1) because, therefore

title: იმიტომ


text: Category:es:United Kingdom

title: Category:es:United Kingdom


text:
Citations:law of attraction

belief that thinking about something causes it to manifest

 * Denny: No, no, no. The Secret. Haven't you heard? The law of attraction. Get with the program, man.
 * Alan: What are you talking about?
 * Denny: If you think positively, you become a magnet and pull in everything you want towards you.
 * Alan: Really?
 * Denny: I figure if I concentrate on world peace, maybe I can actually make it happen.
 * Alan: You're sitting here concentrating on world peace?
 * Denny: Oh, God, no. Gotta start smaller. I'm thinking . Get her first, then go for peace.
 * Shopkeeper: What are you doing?
 * Chris Taylor: Oh, we— no, we believe we own them.
 * Shopkeeper: What?
 * Chris Taylor: (mimes rays coming from his head to shirts) Zzt. I own them.
 * Chas Licciardello: The universe has given us these clothes.
 * Chris Taylor: It's the law of attraction.
 * Chris Taylor: (mimes rays coming from his head to shirts) Zzt. I own them.
 * Chas Licciardello: The universe has given us these clothes.
 * Chris Taylor: It's the law of attraction.

title: Citations:law of attraction