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User talk:Myndfrea

There was a bug.
It's fixed now. You can edit your sandbox again. -- Liliana • 11:48, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Myndfrea (talk) 13:06, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Genitives
I'm wondering why you are adding the genitive forms to Old Norse entries. There is already a declension table, so it seems kind of redundant. And why the genitive? 12:10, 2i6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, it was on one of the pages I edited in the first place, so I kinda thought of that as a norm. Myndfrea (talk) 12:12, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Plus, it seems like genitive singular is preset on Icelandic noun-templates as default. Myndfrea (talk) 12:19, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * There aren't really any norms for Old Norse yet. But in general, when a full declension table is given in an entry, common practice is not to display those same inflections in the headword line, because it is kind of redundant then. However, for some languages, knowing one or two of the extra forms lets you easily predict the rest of the forms, these forms are called "principal parts" and you can list them in the headword line like we do for Latin entries. Maybe that's why Old Norse entries listed the genitive in that way; the previous editors may have copied the practice from Latin, without knowing what it was for. In any case, I don't know if Old Norse nouns have any principal parts, and whether any of them would be the genitive singular form. I know that verbs do have principal parts, and we list them for Icelandic already too. In any case, for Old Norse noun entries you should probably use, which is customised specifically for Old Norse usage. It does include parameters for genitive and plural, but again I am not sure if they are principal parts. I've raised the question at WT:ID. 12:30, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I fixed up the headword-line templates that are currently available for Old Norse: Category:Old Norse headword-line templates. I also added them to all entries that didn't use them yet, so now those templates should be present wherever they can. I asked about the principal parts and BigDom said that genitive and plural are the most usual principal parts for Old Norse, so I left them in the template. 20:00, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, although, as you said, having both these two forms and a declension table indeed is a bit redundant. Still, as these two forms are principal, I guess they are to be added. Myndfrea (talk) 20:17, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Template:non-decl-ppron
I think this table is too wide. It probably won't fit on most people's screens. I think it would be better to put the third-person forms below the other forms. 15:54, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Or maybe reverse the axes - so person goes down instead of across. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:58, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, here is how others have it: tables or .Myndfrea (talk) 16:05, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Those tables list singular, dual and plural on separate rows, so that's why it takes up less space there. From what I can tell, the Wikipedia table was based on the other one too. is kind of similar, as is . But they don't list the third-person forms because they inflect just like adjectives and all other pronouns. That is, they distinguish gender, which the first/second person and reflexive forms don't.  16:20, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I changed the table based on the Icelandic variant, listing the numbers below instead of across. Myndfrea (talk) 16:58, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Old Norse for FWOTD
Hey! I notice you're methodically going through the Völuspá. Good job! I'm getting some Old Norse words to feature as Foreign Word of the Day, and I'm wondering if you could add a pronunciation or two (IPA or audio) to some of the words, if you know it - pronunciation is a requirement for featured words, and I don't know enough to do it myself. I've nominated mold, viðr, íviðja and unnr so far - but if you know of any other interesting words, we'd be happy to have more nominations here. Cheers! Hyarmendacil (talk) 09:20, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I've tried searching for some IPA instructions on Old Norse, but I couldn't find much about that. I don't really know how would these words be properly sounded. As for citations, I will add some. Myndfrea (talk) 10:57, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok. I might ask User:CodeCat if she knows. By the way, I presume you're doing the translation (at your sandbox) yourself? If so, would you mind if I used for Old Norse citations? - otherwise I have to look up another public-domain translation, and/or work it out myself. Hyarmendacil (talk) 07:31, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, you can use this translation, but I'm not sure whether it is exactly accurate (since so many of these words' meanings are uncertain and/or metaphoric), plus, it certainly doesn't preserve the alliterative verse of the original. Myndfrea (talk) 07:38, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:non-decl-pron-hver
I think you're confusing two words here. (> hvar) and (> hverr with two rs) are separate words with their own inflections and meanings. Also, the first is a pronoun (stands alone) while the second is a determiner (modifies words). 12:39, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, they merged in the end. I noticed the difference, but it's not easy to separate the forms, especially of oblique cases. Myndfrea (talk) 12:58, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell, the forms inherited from are just strong adjective forms. All the remaining ones are from  it seems. Except for, that one is a bit strange.  13:09, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I edited the table a bit, but I'm still not quite sure about the feminine forms. Please check it and correct if needed.Myndfrea (talk) 13:43, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it would be better to make two tables and show them together. One table to show the regular strong adjective forms inherited from, and the other with the singular forms inherited from . 13:56, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I've made a table for hvar but I'm still not sure about whether it's correct or not. There aren't many sources on that matter, and they all differ. Myndfrea (talk) 16:12, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Why are you putting Old Norse entries into English categories?
Like morginn, undorn, nið, hof, which I fixed. But there are probably more. 15:51, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, I have forgotten to put the parameter. But there aren't any other entries like that left, I've checked. Sorry. Myndfrea (talk) 16:10, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the way the parameters work on is very counterintuitive. In the past, we had a lot more templates that would assume the language is English, and still quite a few do. But I'm hoping we can move away from that gradually.  16:12, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * P.S. also requires lang=, just so you know. I have cleanup up all so far. Hyarmendacil (talk) 03:29, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Descendants of garðr
Why did you remove gardîn? --Njardarlogar (talk) 12:04, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Did I now? Oh, sorry about that. But, come to think about it, it doesn't come directly from Old Norse, but through Old Northern French. I mean, indirect descendants aren't usually listed. Myndfrea (talk) 15:52, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Would they not be listed under the direct descendants (e.g. like this?) --Njardarlogar (talk) 18:19, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I guess they would. But if we take gardîn back, we have to list these direct descendants (Old Northern French and Vulgar Latin in this case). Isn't that right? Myndfrea (talk) 18:42, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Plus, gardîn isn't listed as a descendant of garðr, but rather of Frankish gart, along with other words in Romance languages. Ergo, a question arises – what exactly was gardîn derived from? Myndfrea (talk) 05:17, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Old Norse declension tables
Hello there! I noticed that you've created a bunch of new declension templates. Thank you so much for this! I've wanted this for a while now. I was curious about their construction, however: I don't mean to bother, I am just so glad someone went and made these tables and I want them to be the best they can be. — JohnC5 02:07, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) Are the s and p params used for anything besides not displaying either the singular or plural? The form param already has this function (you do sing for singular, plur for plural, and sing-indef for indefinite singular).
 * 2) What is the difference between ns and nsi, etc.? It seems like the nsi type are redundant.
 * Yeah, s and p have no other usage other than the one mentioned, except I didn't know of the form parameter (you have to forgive me - I'm just an amateur in coding as well as in linguistics). And probably, yeah, come to think of it now, you don't really need the nsi parameter when one can simply use the ns and nsd. - Myndfrea (talk) 04:49, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Edit: Again, there are cases where only nsi (or any other indefinite form) is different from the presupposed paradigm. So, I guess, the only real advantage of having these form is the shortness of the text you add with the template into the article. - Myndfrea (talk) 05:05, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick response. Would it be fine if I removed all the ns-type parameters and just left the nsi/nsd params? Also may I remove all the s/p parameters (of course, I will change all the entries that need to be singular or plural beforehand)? — JohnC5 12:59, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, of course, I guess. - Myndfrea (talk) 13:37, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't mean to step on your toes, of course. You've done a great job, and I'm just trying to help. — JohnC5 14:44, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't really think you're stepping on anyone's toes here. This here is a joint project, created for and aimed at perfection by the hands of many. - Myndfrea (talk) 15:07, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Great, great. I hope if you don't mind if I continue to ask you questions, etc.
 * I've begun removing the s/p params and adding notes. You can see that at Category:Old Norse noun inflection-table templates.
 * Could you help me migrate the words at over to your new templates? The are listed here. I have removed all the other unused templates, and would love to remove this one too.
 * I take it that may apply to several different genders, as  does?
 * Thanks for the help! — JohnC5 22:06, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'll change the templates - that is what I have been doing for the past two days. And, no, takes only masculine, if I remember correctly. (It's just that I commonly forget things.) Maybe it'd be better to change it to, though I haven't really encountered any to be sure. - Myndfrea (talk) 06:02, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello again! I've finished fiddling with the templates for now. I did the following:
 * moved to.
 * split into  &.
 * added doc pages (with no documentation) to the templates. I may in the future make that provides a standard format template for the documentation.
 * Nayrb edited but appears justified in doing so (I was not checking any of these for accuracy, just templatic well-formèdness).
 * Somethings that we might consider (if you are still interested, of course) would be:
 * maybe try to get the inflected forms to link.
 * again, write a documentation template.
 * add extra parameters for alternate stem forms (either from elision of disyllabic nouns or from irregular nouns).
 * probably other things.
 * I hope all this helped! — JohnC5 04:23, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, migration is complete, the template is word-free now. I'll be making corrections and emendations to the new templates later, when I'll be looking at the words more extensively. You can attempt to get the inflections to link, but it will cause some troubles, especially where there are double forms. Maybe it'd be nice to make stem categories for the templates, like the ones in PGmc, but I don't think that'd be a good idea, seeing as words simply jump from one gender and/or stem to another while transitioning from PGmc to Old Norse. Lastly, I don't think linking the cases in the templates was a good idea: what for? - Myndfrea (talk) 12:29, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

So, I removed the linking for the case names (I had put it there because it is used in some other languages). I have made a module Module:non-cell and template which will take and input of the form   and make them Old Norse links. It has the property that it will split around commas, no matter how much white space; so  and   will both produce   with linking. Also, if you set the cell to be empty, it will insert a  dash.

When I was asking about stems, I was discussing how disyllabic words like himinn will lose the second vowel in certain forms. It doesn't matter that much at the moment. Just enjoy the linking, and tell me if you need anything! — JohnC5 03:26, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The cell module is nice, thank you. Concerning the syncope in disyllabic nouns, it usually occurs in the cases with a vowel ending, but it could actually get irregular, so attempting to put that in the templates might work, but to me right now just listing the syncopated forms is fine. I may think of something later. - Myndfrea (talk) 05:15, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello, I see you have created a template for Old Norse masculine i-stems. After reading, Old English and Old Norse: Introduction to West and North Germanic by Seán Vrieland and Barnes' New Introduction to Old Norse It seems that there may have been two different forms of the genitive of masculine i-stems: one type in /ar/, the other type in /s/. At first I tried moving the page Template:non-decl-m-i to Template:non-decl-m-i2 planing to make another i-stem template with a genitive in /s/, but when I saw that the masculine consonant stems were marked Template:non-decl-m-c1 and Template:non-decl-m-c2 rather than Template:non-decl-m-c and Template:non-decl-m-c2 I decided to move the page now marked Template:non-decl-m-c2 (already having a genitive in /ar/) to Template:non-decl-m-c1. Unfortunately, I failed to check before moving this page that the masculine consonant stem with genitive in /ar/ was listed under Template:non-decl-m-c2 and not under Template:non-decl-m-c1 so now, I have double redirects for the i-stem template, the numbering doesn't even match up with the consonant stems, and I have no way of fixing the double redirects with my account (or at least I have no clue how). How can I fix this mess I created?-- Nayrb Rellimer (talk) 20:03, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Howdy-do and thanks for the help, even if it did get a little confusing. I have, for the time being, moved all the words to  except where they are explicitly /-s/ genitives (these I left at ). If you would replace  with a template containing the /-s/ genitive, I will go through and make sure everything is correct on the entry side of things. Does that work? — JohnC5 20:10, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, but the page Template:non-decl-m-i1 still redirects to Template:non-decl-m-i2.-- Nayrb Rellimer (talk) 20:16, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did that as a stop gap until you could replace it. Just overwrite it with the /-s/ stem genitive. Currently, nothing links there. — JohnC5 20:26, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I have created a new page under Template:non-decl-m-i for the genitive in /s/ because I don't know how to overwrite Template:non-decl-m-i1 without also overwriting Template:non-decl-m-i2.-- Nayrb Rellimer (talk) 20:50, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, sorry I misunderstood. I've moved it now. Again thanks for the help. — JohnC5 20:54, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

title: User talk:Myndfrea


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ストア

Etymology 1
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) store, shop

Etymology 2
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) stoa

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: ストア


text:
διφορούμενος

Adjective

 * 1) equivocal, ambiguous

title: διφορούμενος


text:
ҡараңғы

Etymology
Cognate with 🇨🇬; 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1) dark

Noun

 * 1) darkness

title: ҡараңғы


text:
dievišķīgs

Etymology
From (with  from ).

Adjective

 * 1) divine, godlike typical or characteristic of god, of a deity
 * 2)  divine, fantastic, wonderful, excellent impressively good, pleasant
 * 1)  divine, fantastic, wonderful, excellent impressively good, pleasant
 * 1)  divine, fantastic, wonderful, excellent impressively good, pleasant

title: dievišķīgs


text:
обернуться

Verb

 * 1) to wrap oneself (with, in)
 * 2) to turn one's head, to turn around
 * 3)  to turn, to change
 * 4) to manage, to get by; to wangle
 * 5) to (go and) come back; (finance) to make a full circle
 * 1) to manage, to get by; to wangle
 * 2) to (go and) come back; (finance) to make a full circle
 * 1) to (go and) come back; (finance) to make a full circle

title: обернуться


text:
smjúga

Etymology
From, from.

Verb

 * 1) to creep (through an entrance), to slip in

Derived terms

 * ("to slip through, to penetrate")

Etymology
From. Related to, which see for some more information.

Verb

 * 1) to creep through (a hole, or opening, or narrow space)
 * 2) to put on (a garment which has a hole for the head)

Related terms

 * smokka
 * smokkr

title: smjúga


text:
оҙон

Etymology
From Common Turkic, from.

Compare 🇨🇬; 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1) long
 * 2)  tall
 * 1)  tall

title: оҙон


text:
representatif

Adjective

 * 1) representative; that represents something

title: representatif


text:
Vigna

Etymology
After Domenico Vigna, 17th century Italian botanist. The surname means "vineyard;" see.

Hypernyms

 * ; -subfamily;  - tribe;  - subtribe

Hyponyms

 * - type species; for other species see or

Etymology
From.

title: Vigna


text:
未知領域

Noun

 * 1) terra incognita

title: 未知領域


text: 未知领域

title: 未知领域


text:
dieve

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  goddess a female deity

Usage notes
The term is much less frequently used than its synonym.

title: dieve


text: 领域

title: 领域


text: 囊肿

title: 囊肿


text:
囊腫

Noun

 * 1)  cyst

title: 囊腫


text: Category:Portuguese terms suffixed with -ento


text:
單純

Adjective

 * 1) simple; uncomplicated; easy
 * 2) naive; pure
 * 3)  simplicial

Synonyms

Adverb

 * 1) simply; purely; merely

title: 單純


text:
dieviete

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  goddess a female deity

Usage notes
The term is much more frequently used than its synonym.

title: dieviete


text: 单纯

title: 单纯


text:
腺瘤

Noun

 * 1) adenoma

title: 腺瘤


text:
盎格魯-撒克遜人

Etymology
From +.

Noun

 * 1) Anglo-Saxon person

title: 盎格魯-撒克遜人


text: dievieti

title: dievieti


text: dievietē

title: dievietē


text: dievietei

title: dievietei


text: dievietes

title: dievietes


text: dievietēs

title: dievietēs


text: dievietēm

title: dievietēm


text: dieviešu

title: dieviešu


title: Template:is-conj-s3


text: dievē

title: dievē


text: dievei

title: dievei


text: dieves

title: dieves


text:
Phasma

Etymology
From, from.

Hypernyms

 * ; - subfamily;  - tribe

Hyponyms

 * - well-known species

title: Phasma


text: dievēs

title: dievēs


text: dievju

title: dievju


text: dievēm

title: dievēm


text:
Thread:User talk:CodeCat/Edits to Template:Syrc/reply (2)

Fixed, the problem was from Template:syc-root-entry actually.


text:
ҡыҫҡа

Etymology
From, from.

Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬; 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, etc.

Adjective

 * 1) short

title: ҡыҫҡа


text:
velniņš

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) little devil; young, not fully grown devil;
 * 2)  some, usually unexpected or inappropriate, mental state or emotion

title: velniņš


text:
касаваць

Etymology
Cognates include 🇨🇬. Perhaps originally from 🇨🇬 via 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1) to abolish, to cancel

title: касаваць


text: velniņu

title: velniņu


text: velniņa

title: velniņa


text: velniņā

title: velniņā


text:
లచ్చిమగడు

Noun

 * 1) the husband of Lakshmi; name of Lord Vishnu.

title: లచ్చిమగడు


text: velniņam

title: velniņam


text: velniņi

title: velniņi


text:
లిక్కి

Noun

 * 1) a small sickle.

title: లిక్కి


text: velniņus

title: velniņus


text:
столњак

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) tablecloth

title: столњак


text: velniņiem

title: velniņiem


text: velniņos

title: velniņos


text:
కొడవలి

Etymology
From 🇰🇲. Cognate with 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) a sickle.

title: కొడవలి


text:
నాగలి

Etymology
. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) A plough.

title: నాగలి


text:
velnēns

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  young, not fully grown devil, demon

title: velnēns


text: velnēnu

title: velnēnu


text: velnēna

title: velnēna


text: velnēnā

title: velnēnā


text: velnēnam

title: velnēnam


text: velnēni

title: velnēni


text: velnēnus

title: velnēnus


text: velnēniem

title: velnēniem


text: velnēnos

title: velnēnos


text:
velnišķums

Etymology
From (with  from ).

Noun

 * 1) devilishness, diabolicalness, diabolism the quality of that which is devilish, diabolical

title: velnišķums


text: velnišķumu

title: velnišķumu


text: velnišķuma

title: velnišķuma


text: velnišķumā

title: velnišķumā


text: velnišķumam

title: velnišķumam


text:
velnišķīgums

Etymology
From (with  from  and  from ).

Noun

 * 1) devilishness, diabolicalness, diabolism the quality of that which is devilish, diabolical

title: velnišķīgums


text: velnišķīgumu

title: velnišķīgumu


text: velnišķīguma

title: velnišķīguma


text: velnišķīgumā

title: velnišķīgumā


text: velnišķīgumam

title: velnišķīgumam


text:
velnišķība

Etymology
From (with  from ).

Noun

 * 1) devilishness, diabolicalness, diabolism the quality of that which is devilish, diabolical
 * 2)  devilry; vicious, evil act, action
 * 1)  devilry; vicious, evil act, action

title: velnišķība


text: velnišķību

title: velnišķību


text: velnišķības

title: velnišķības


text: velnišķībās

title: velnišķībās


text: velnišķībā

title: velnišķībā


text: velnišķībai

title: velnišķībai


text: velnišķībām

title: velnišķībām


text:
luiperd

Etymology
From, from , from , from , from , from.

Noun

 * 1) leopard

title: luiperd


text:
питомост

Noun

 * 1) tameness, docility

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) tameness, docility

title: питомост


text:
sātanists

Etymology
From. Probably not formed as such in, but borrowed and adapted from some other European language.

Noun

 * 1) (male) Satanist a man who is a follower of Satanism

title: sātanists


text:
питон

Etymology
Ultimately from, possibly from the same root as 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) python large constricting snake

Noun

 * 1) python

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) python (constricting snake)

Etymology
From.

Proper noun

 * 1) python (constricting snake)

title: питон


text:
alfarista

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1)  of ; Alfaro's

Noun

 * 1) a supporter of

title: alfarista


text:
sātaniste

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) (female) Satanist a woman who is a follower of Satanism

title: sātaniste


text: alfaristas

title: alfaristas


text: style guides

title: style guides


text:
sātanistu

Noun

title: sātanistu


text:
puscibl

Adjective

 * 1) possible

title: puscibl


text: sātanista

title: sātanista


text: sātanistā

title: sātanistā


text: sātanistam

title: sātanistam


text:
sātanisti

Noun

title: sātanisti


text: sātanistus

title: sātanistus


text:
ntervënt

Noun

 * 1) intervention

title: ntervënt


text: sātanistos

title: sātanistos


text: ntervënc

title: ntervënc


text: sātanistiem

title: sātanistiem


text:
pivar

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) brewer (of beer)

title: pivar


text:
пивар

Noun

 * 1) brewer (of beer)

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) brewer (of beer)

title: пивар


text:
pivarski

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1)  beer brewer or brewers

Adverb

 * 1) as a beer brewer

title: pivarski


text:
пиварски

Adjective

 * 1)  brewer, brewery

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1)  beer brewer or brewers

Adverb

 * 1) as a beer brewer

title: пиварски


text:
pivski

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1)  beer

title: pivski


text:
пивски

Adjective

 * 1)  beer

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1)  beer

title: пивски


text:
pivarstvo

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  beer brewing

title: pivarstvo


text:
пиварство

Noun

 * 1) beer brewing

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  beer brewing

title: пиварство


text:
pivničar

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) beer hall/tavern owner

title: pivničar


text:
пивничар

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) beer hall/tavern owner

title: пивничар


text:
ufizier

Noun

 * 1) officer

title: ufizier


text: Category:Galician apocopic forms

title: Category:Galician apocopic forms


text: ufizieres

title: ufizieres


text:
pivničarka

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) beer hall/tavern owner (female)

title: pivničarka


text:
пивничарка

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) beer hall/tavern owner (female)

title: пивничарка


text: sātanistes

title: sātanistes


text:
pizma

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) spite, malice
 * 2) hatred

title: pizma


text:
пизма

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) spite, malice
 * 2) hatred

title: пизма


text: sātanistēs

title: sātanistēs


text:
debota

Adverb

 * 1) nearly, almost

title: debota


text: sātanistei

title: sātanistei


text: sātanistē

title: sātanistē


text:
tert

Adverb

 * 1) late, later

Etymology
, from.

Noun

 * 1) something which is small and thin
 * 2)  a small salmon
 * 3) a little and nosy person
 * 1) a little and nosy person

title: tert


text: sātanistēm

title: sātanistēm


text:
plevir

Etymology
, from, related to. More at English.

Verb

 * 1) to promise

title: plevir


text:
revucher

Verb

 * 1) To revoke

title: revucher


text:
pigmejski

Adjective

 * 1) pygmy

title: pigmejski


text:
пигмејски

Adjective

 * 1) pygmy

title: пигмејски


text:
finanziamënt

Noun

 * 1) financing

title: finanziamënt


text:
pigmentacija

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) pigmentation

title: pigmentacija


text:
пигментација

Noun

 * 1) pigmentation

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) pigmentation

title: пигментација


text: sātanisku

title: sātanisku


text:
replevir

Verb

 * 1) to give a guaranty (something serving as a security for an undertaking)

title: replevir


text: sātaniska

title: sātaniska


text:
sātaniski

Adverb

 * 1) satanic, satanically;

title: sātaniski


text:
пијандура

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  drunkard

title: пијандура


text: sātaniskus

title: sātaniskus


text:
sātaniskā

Adjective

title: sātaniskā


text:
pijanino

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) upright piano

title: pijanino


text:
пијанино

Noun

 * 1) upright piano

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) upright piano

title: пијанино


text:
desaencrer

Etymology
.

Verb

 * 1) to raise one's anchor; to disanchor

title: desaencrer


text: sātaniskas

title: sātaniskas


text:
sātaniskās

Adjective

title: sātaniskās


text: sātaniskiem

title: sātaniskiem


text:
sātaniskos

Adjective

title: sātaniskos


text:
pijanist

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) pianist

title: pijanist


text:
пијанист

Noun

 * 1) pianist

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) pianist

title: пијанист


text: sātaniskām

title: sātaniskām


text: sātaniskam

title: sātaniskam


text: sātaniskai

title: sātaniskai


text:
pijano

Etymology 1
From.

Noun

 * 1) piano

title: pijano


text:
пијано

Etymology 1
.

Noun

 * 1) piano

Adverb

 * 1) drunkenly

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) piano

title: пијано


text:
pijanistica

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) pianist (female)

title: pijanistica


text:
пијанистица

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) pianist (female)

title: пијанистица


text:
sātaniskais

Adjective

 * 1) the satanic;

title: sātaniskais


text:
klavirist

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) pianist

title: klavirist


text:
клавирист

Noun

 * 1) pianist

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) pianist

title: клавирист


text:
klaviristica

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) pianist (female)

title: klaviristica


text:
клавиристица

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) pianist (female)

title: клавиристица


text:
klaviristkinja

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) pianist (female)

title: klaviristkinja


text:
клавиристкиња

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) pianist (female)

title: клавиристкиња


text:
Diospyros

Etymology
From, from.

Hyponyms

 * - type species;, , , , - selected species; for others see  or

title: Diospyros


text: sātanisko

title: sātanisko


text: sātaniskajam

title: sātaniskajam


text: sātaniskajām

title: sātaniskajām


text: Template:osx-decl-noun-pr

title: Template:osx-decl-noun-pr


text:
Widukind

Etymology
. Compare with Wittekind.

Proper noun

 * 1)  the Saxon leader

title: Widukind


text: sātaniskajā

title: sātaniskajā


text: sātaniskie

title: sātaniskie


text: sātaniskajiem

title: sātaniskajiem


text: sātaniskajai

title: sātaniskajai


text: sātaniskajos

title: sātaniskajos


text: sātaniskajās

title: sātaniskajās


text: Category:osx:Biblical characters

title: Category:osx:Biblical characters


text: Category:osx:Bible

title: Category:osx:Bible


text:
sātaniskāks

Adjective

 * 1) more satanic;

title: sātaniskāks


text: Category:osx:Christianity

title: Category:osx:Christianity


text: Category:osx:Judaism

title: Category:osx:Judaism


text: sātaniskāku

title: sātaniskāku


text: sātaniskāka

title: sātaniskāka


text: sātaniskāki

title: sātaniskāki


text:
muinethar

Etymology
From, from. Cognate with 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1) to meditate, to intend, to purpose
 * "sga"
 * "sga"

- inna hí dia ru muinestar som trócairi

 * 1) to think, to deem
 * "sga"
 * "sga"

- miad mār munimar manna

title: muinethar


text:
sātaniskāk

Adverb

 * 1) more satanic, more satanically;

title: sātaniskāk


text: sātaniskākus

title: sātaniskākus


text:
sātaniskākā

Adjective

title: sātaniskākā


text:
Ruma

Etymology
From.

Proper noun

 * 1) Rome
 * 1) Rome

title: Ruma


text: sātaniskākas

title: sātaniskākas


text:
Bethania

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Proper noun

 * 1) Bethany

title: Bethania


text: sātaniskākiem

title: sātaniskākiem


text:
sātaniskākās

Adjective

title: sātaniskākās


text:
Pistacia

Etymology
From.

Hyponyms

 * - type species; for other species see or

title: Pistacia


text:
sātaniskākos

Adjective

title: sātaniskākos


text: sātaniskākām

title: sātaniskākām


text: sātaniskākam

title: sātaniskākam


text: sātaniskākai

title: sātaniskākai


text:
sātaniskākais

Adjective

 * 1) the more satanic;

title: sātaniskākais


text: sātaniskāko

title: sātaniskāko


text: sātaniskākajam

title: sātaniskākajam


text: sātaniskākajām

title: sātaniskākajām


text: sātaniskākajā

title: sātaniskākajā


text:
Talk:levavi

Is this page to define "levavi" in all languages? What's the purpose of this entry?LFevas (talk) 18:00, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, to define levavi in all languages. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 21:54, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

title: Talk:levavi


text: sātaniskākie

title: sātaniskākie


text: sātaniskākajiem

title: sātaniskākajiem


text: sātaniskākajai

title: sātaniskākajai


text: sātaniskākajos

title: sātaniskākajos


text: sātaniskākajās

title: sātaniskākajās


text:
vissātaniskākais

Adjective

 * 1) the most satanic;

title: vissātaniskākais


text: vissātaniskāko

title: vissātaniskāko


text: vissātaniskākās

title: vissātaniskākās


text: vissātaniskākā

title: vissātaniskākā


text: vissātaniskākos

title: vissātaniskākos


text: vissātaniskākajam

title: vissātaniskākajam


text: vissātaniskākajām

title: vissātaniskākajām


text: vissātaniskākajā

title: vissātaniskākajā


text:
bokeleer

Etymology
From, , , from , from.

Noun

 * 1)  buckler

title: bokeleer


text: vissātaniskākie

title: vissātaniskākie


text: vissātaniskākajiem

title: vissātaniskākajiem


text: vissātaniskākajai

title: vissātaniskākajai


text: vissātaniskākajos

title: vissātaniskākajos


text: vissātaniskākajās

title: vissātaniskākajās


text:
vissātaniskāk

Adverb

 * 1) most satanic, most satanically;

title: vissātaniskāk


text: velnišķu

title: velnišķu


text: velnišķa

title: velnišķa


text:
Category talk:Konkan Standard language

From what I can tell, this is redundant to Category:Konkani language. -- Liliana • 21:29, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Accoding to Wikipedia, Konkani is a macrolanguage with Maharashtrian Konkani (ISO code knn, which we called Konkan Standard, above) and Goan Konkani (gom) as dialects. Others divide the language into three dialects, Northern (Maharashtrian), Central (Goan) and Southern. I'm not sure we want to make the distinction, though. - -sche (discuss) 21:57, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Speedily deleted by Liliana-60. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:26, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

title: Category talk:Konkan Standard language


text:
velnišķi

Adverb

 * 1) devilish, diabolical, devilishly, diabolically;

title: velnišķi


text: velnišķus

title: velnišķus


text:
velnišķā

Adjective

title: velnišķā


text:
great-grandpa

Noun

 * 1) A great-grandfather.

title: great-grandpa


text: great-grandpas

title: great-grandpas


text:
great-grandma

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) A great-grandmother.

title: great-grandma


text: great-grandmas

title: great-grandmas


text: velnišķiem

title: velnišķiem


text:
velnišķās

Adjective

title: velnišķās


text:
gerland

Noun

 * 1)  garland

title: gerland


text: velnišķas

title: velnišķas


text:
velnišķos

Adjective

title: velnišķos


text: velnišķām

title: velnišķām


text: velnišķam

title: velnišķam


text:
maad

Verb

 * 1)  made

title: maad


text: velnišķai

title: velnišķai


text:
velnišķais

Adjective

 * 1) the devilish, the diabolical;

title: velnišķais


text: velnišķo

title: velnišķo


text:
ale-stake

Noun

 * 1) alestake

title: ale-stake


text: velnišķajam

title: velnišķajam


text: velnišķajām

title: velnišķajām


text: velnišķajā

title: velnišķajā


text: velnišķie

title: velnišķie


text: velnišķajiem

title: velnišķajiem


text: velnišķajai

title: velnišķajai


text:
schiver

Verb

 * 1) To dodge, avoid, evade, bypass, circumvent

title: schiver


text: velnišķajos

title: velnišķajos


text: velnišķajās

title: velnišķajās


text:
velnišķāks

Adjective

 * 1) more devilish, more diabolical;

title: velnišķāks


text: velnišķāku

title: velnišķāku


text: velnišķāka

title: velnišķāka


text: velnišķāki

title: velnišķāki


text:
User talk:Antk123

Your definition of ("a cautionary call") would be that of a noun. Hot-tubbed is not a noun. SemperBlotto (talk) 19:03, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

title: User talk:Antk123


text:
velnišķāk

Adverb

 * 1) more devilish, more diabolical, more devilishly, more diabolically;

title: velnišķāk


text: velnišķākus

title: velnišķākus


text:
velnišķākā

Adjective

title: velnišķākā


text: velnišķākas

title: velnišķākas


text: velnišķākiem

title: velnišķākiem


text:
velnišķākās

Adjective

title: velnišķākās


text:
velnišķākos

Adjective

title: velnišķākos


text: velnišķākām

title: velnišķākām


text: velnišķākam

title: velnišķākam


text: velnišķākai

title: velnišķākai


text: velnišķākais

title: velnišķākais


text: velnišķāko

title: velnišķāko


text: velnišķākajam

title: velnišķākajam


text: velnišķākajām

title: velnišķākajām


text: velnišķākajā

title: velnišķākajā


text: velnišķākie

title: velnišķākie


text: velnišķākajiem

title: velnišķākajiem


text: velnišķākajai

title: velnišķākajai


text: velnišķākajos

title: velnišķākajos


text: velnišķākajās

title: velnišķākajās


text:
ubavu

Noun

 * 1) side, flank
 * 2) rib
 * 1) rib

title: ubavu


text: mbavu

title: mbavu


text:
visvelnišķākais

Adjective

 * 1) the most devilish, the most diabolical;

title: visvelnišķākais


text:
nyuzi

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) newspaper

Noun

 * 1) degree unit of temperature
 * 2) degree unit of measurement of latitude and longitude
 * 3) degree unit of measurement of angle equal to 1⁄360 of a circle's circumference

title: nyuzi


text: nyuso

title: nyuso


text: visvelnišķāko

title: visvelnišķāko


text: visvelnišķākās

title: visvelnišķākās


text: nyufa

title: nyufa


text: vizuri

title: vizuri


text: visvelnišķākā

title: visvelnišķākā


text: visvelnišķākos

title: visvelnišķākos


text: visvelnišķākajam

title: visvelnišķākajam


text: visvelnišķākajām

title: visvelnišķākajām


text: visvelnišķākajā

title: visvelnišķākajā


text: visvelnišķākie

title: visvelnišķākie


text: visvelnišķākajiem

title: visvelnišķākajiem


text: visvelnišķākajai

title: visvelnišķākajai


text: visvelnišķākajos

title: visvelnišķākajos


text: visvelnišķākajās

title: visvelnišķākajās


text:
visvelnišķāk

Adverb

 * 1) most devilish, most diabolical, most devilishly, most diabolically;

title: visvelnišķāk


text: velnišķīgu

title: velnišķīgu


text: velnišķīga

title: velnišķīga


text: Template:sw-inf

title: Template:sw-inf


text:
velnišķīgi

Adverb

 * 1) devilish, diabolical, devilishly, diabolically; intensely, very much;

title: velnišķīgi


text:
Template:sw-inf/documentation

Used as a headword-line template for verbal nouns of the ku class, also known as infinitives or gerunds. It takes no arguments save.

title: Template:sw-inf/documentation


text:
spike addition

Noun

 * 1)  A calibration technique for quantification that involves adding known amounts of a substance to an aliquot of an analyte.
 * 2) * 2002, D. T. Burns, K. Danyer, A. Townshend; Use of the terms “recovery” and “apparent recovery” in analytical procedures, Pure Appl. Chem., Vol. 74, No. 11, p. 2201–2205:
 * single spike addition experiment does not indicate the absence of systematic error

Abbreviations

 * SA

Translations

 * Dutch: Standaardadditie
 * German: Standard-Addition
 * Hebrew: הוספה סטנדרטית
 * Portuguese: adição-padrão

title: spike addition


text: velnišķīgus

title: velnišķīgus


text:
velnišķīgā

Adjective

title: velnišķīgā


text: kupiga

title: kupiga


text: velnišķīgas

title: velnišķīgas


text: velnišķīgiem

title: velnišķīgiem


text:
velnišķīgās

Adjective

title: velnišķīgās


text:
velnišķīgos

Adjective

title: velnišķīgos


text: velnišķīgām

title: velnišķīgām


text: velnišķīgam

title: velnišķīgam


text: velnišķīgai

title: velnišķīgai


text: kuenda

title: kuenda


text:
velnišķīgais

Adjective

 * 1) the devilish, the diabolical;

title: velnišķīgais


text: velnišķīgo

title: velnišķīgo


text: velnišķīgajam

title: velnišķīgajam


text: Template:sw-noun-ni

title: Template:sw-noun-ni


text: velnišķīgajām

title: velnišķīgajām


text: velnišķīgajā

title: velnišķīgajā


text: Category:Swahili noun forms

title: Category:Swahili noun forms


text: velnišķīgie

title: velnišķīgie


text: velnišķīgajiem

title: velnišķīgajiem


text: velnišķīgajai

title: velnišķīgajai


text: velnišķīgajos

title: velnišķīgajos


text: velnišķīgajās

title: velnišķīgajās


text:
Template:sw-noun-ni/documentation

This is used for adverbial nouns with the locative suffix. All other nouns should use. It takes no arguments save  and categorises into Category:Swahili noun forms.

title: Template:sw-noun-ni/documentation


text:
velnišķīgāks

Adjective

 * 1) more devilish, more diabolical;

title: velnišķīgāks


text: hospitalini

title: hospitalini


text: velnišķīgāku

title: velnišķīgāku


text: mlangoni

title: mlangoni


text: velnišķīgāka

title: velnišķīgāka


text: velnišķīgāki

title: velnišķīgāki


text:
nyumbani

Noun

 * : at home, home

title: nyumbani


text: mezani

title: mezani


text: velnišķīgākus

title: velnišķīgākus


text: svjet

title: svjet


text:
velnišķīgākā

Adjective

title: velnišķīgākā


text: velnišķīgākas

title: velnišķīgākas


text: velnišķīgākiem

title: velnišķīgākiem


text:
velnišķīgākās

Adjective

title: velnišķīgākās


text:
velnišķīgākos

Adjective

title: velnišķīgākos


text: velnišķīgākām

title: velnišķīgākām


text: Wiktionary:Foreign Word of the Day/2013/July 25


text: velnišķīgākam

title: velnišķīgākam


text: velnišķīgākai

title: velnišķīgākai


text:
velnišķīgākais

Adjective

 * 1) the more devilish, the more diabolical;

title: velnišķīgākais


text: velnišķīgāko

title: velnišķīgāko


text:
spadagar

Verb

 * 1)  to spade

title: spadagar


text: velnišķīgākajam

title: velnišķīgākajam


text: velnišķīgākajām

title: velnišķīgākajām


text: velnišķīgākajā

title: velnišķīgākajā


text: velnišķīgākie

title: velnišķīgākie


text:
spumifar

Verb

 * 1)  to spume, froth, foam

title: spumifar


text: velnišķīgākajiem

title: velnišķīgākajiem


text: velnišķīgākajai

title: velnišķīgākajai


text: velnišķīgākajos

title: velnišķīgākajos


text:
Solidago

Etymology
Adapted from, , a comparatively rare interpretation within the textual corruption complex , , , , denoting , whose name was transferred to the “”,  (, as equally used to treat lesions.

Hypernyms

 * ; - subfamily;  - tribe

Hyponyms

 * - type species;,  ,  ,  ,  ,  ,  ,  ,  ,  ,  ,  ,  ,  ,  ,  ,  ,  ,  ,  ,  ,  ,  ,  ; for other species see  or

title: Solidago


text: velnišķīgākajās

title: velnišķīgākajās


text:
visvelnišķīgākais

Adjective

 * 1) the most devilish, the most diabolical;

title: visvelnišķīgākais


text:
zuriti

Etymology
See

Verb

 * 1)  to stare

title: zuriti


text:
spontaneso

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) spontaneity, voluntariness

title: spontaneso


text:
velnišķīgāk

Adverb

 * 1) more devilish, more diabolical;

title: velnišķīgāk


text: spontanesi

title: spontanesi


text:
spular

Verb

 * 1)  to spool wind on a spool

title: spular


text: visvelnišķīgāko

title: visvelnišķīgāko


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spozeskar

Verb

 * 1)  to mate

title: spozeskar


text: visvelnišķīgākās

title: visvelnišķīgākās


text: visvelnišķīgākā

title: visvelnišķīgākā


text: visvelnišķīgākos

title: visvelnišķīgākos


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sproso

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1)  sprout, shoot

title: sproso


text: sprosi

title: sprosi


text:
sprosifar

Verb

 * 1)  to sprout

title: sprosifar


text: visvelnišķīgākajam

title: visvelnišķīgākajam


text: visvelnišķīgākajām

title: visvelnišķīgākajām


text: visvelnišķīgākajā

title: visvelnišķīgākajā


text: visvelnišķīgākie

title: visvelnišķīgākie


text: visvelnišķīgākajiem

title: visvelnišķīgākajiem


text: visvelnišķīgākajai

title: visvelnišķīgākajai


text: visvelnišķīgākajos

title: visvelnišķīgākajos


text: visvelnišķīgākajās

title: visvelnišķīgākajās


text:
visvelnišķīgāk

Adverb

 * 1) most devilish, most diabolical, most devilishly, most diabolically;

title: visvelnišķīgāk


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Thread:User talk:CodeCat/sprosifar

Any idea what is causing this formatting anomaly on this page? It isn't the template as the template words of spumifar, which has a similar conjugation. Thanks!

title: Thread:User talk:CodeCat/sprosifar


text: zrieti

title: zrieti


text: dievišķu

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Thread:User talk:CodeCat/sprosifar/reply

Never mind. I was stupid and added an asterisk before the template XD


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User talk:Oiseauić

bonjour Slavić
Long time no see! --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 20:28, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

- This is not "Croatian spelling". It's a spelling in an obsolete orthography of one of the 19th century standards, and the 1941-45. Stop marking it as a "Croatian spelling", because it's not in use anymore. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 20:36, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

 * Hrvatski jezični portal is a compilation of several comprehensive dictionaries that are up-to-date with modern standard Croatian ortography. They do not list the spelling sviet. However, I did notice that you've added sviet to French Wiktionary as well, where they kept it under the "Croatian" label. Why don't you relocate to French Wiktionary for good? I'm sure that our liberal-minded French colleagues would be most delighted to have you there, sharing your knowledge, convictions and all. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 20:43, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

The word kamen did not have jat-reflex alternation in the final syllable. The form kami represents and archaism, of Common Slavic, with jery */y/ regularly yielding Štokavian /i/. It is by no means an Ikavian reflex. The reflex is also found in derived formations such as kamik, but not *kamin! That form, as well as the allegedly Ijekvian variant kamien, is I'm afraid purely a product of your imagination. Unfortunately you have again succumbed to your old habit of creating fake words. Goodbye. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 20:59, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

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text: dievišķa

title: dievišķa


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User talk:DCDuring/2012 QI

=2012 Q I=

law
Hi DCDuring--

I'm not sure how a definition of law as a scientific  term of art , as opposed to the way it's frequently used colloquially, is redundant - would you mind explaining please? Thanks. Milkunderwood 02:51, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

 * Ah, I see - you had not only reinstated the unverifiable "one-sided contract", not to be found in any other dictionary, but also reinstated the poorly expressed scientific definition with its confusing example. It's not untrue that "Newton and Einstein understood the law of gravitation in very different ways,", but more essentially Newton and Einstein understood the theory of gravitation in very different ways. A reader finding this example as written will come away with no clear distinction having been made. Milkunderwood 03:47, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

 * Might it help for a usage note to be added, to try to distinguish between formal vs colloquial usages in scientific contexts? Milkunderwood 03:56, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know what would help. The fact is that there are many senses of common words in widespread use that do not appeal to, indeed positively annoy, those who use the word in restrictive ways that meet some current standard of consistency with other current concepts. A lesson I had learned before but has been repeatedly confirmed here is that words should not be treated as concepts and still less as the concepts of an intellectual elite, especially at an open wiki such as this. If there is a broad consensus on the definition in some field of endeavor, then we can include such a definition with the appropriate context. There is often significant disagreement about the meaning of terms in such fields as is reflected in the practice of many authors to have specialized glossaries and the distinguish explicitly their definition of a term from that of others in the same field.
 * As to deletion of senses, I simply like to use the processes that we have (WT:RFV and WT:RFD) instead of simply allowing newcomers to delete what they don't like. I am sometimes surprised by the existence of attestation for senses I initially find outrageous. DCDuring TALK 14:23, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

 * On the scientific front, there is some distinction in how "law" is used in different fields. Boyle's Law in thermodynamics (physics, chemistry or physicial chemistry) is rigid and formulaic. In statistics, the Law of Large Numbers and Law of Small Numbers are theoretical conclusions that provide statistical results but with mathematical certainty. Some evolutionary rules (in biology) are described as laws, but have largely probabilistic descriptions of a likely outcome--not strict formulas, such as the case in Boyle's Law. Once you venture into social sciences, all bets are off--the "laws" become soft and mushy. And I am not just talking about Murphy's Law--many pseudo-theoretical expressions, such as Godwin's Law are expressed in terms of "law" even though the outcomes and predictive powers are far from certain. And, in relation to your last point, concerning surprising attestations for existence of superficially dubious forms--thanks for quickly finding an example of resurface to supplant mine from the news. Alex.deWitte 09:30, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * BTW, there was some formatting thing that put [[resurface]] on some list I monitor. Otherwise I wouldn't have noticed. It can be a challenge sometimes to find cites we accept as valid attestation. I was quite pleased with myself when I realized that searching for the passive was a good way to limit search results to transitive resurface, among which the relevant sense was not too hard to locate. It may not be "rare" in the same sense as the hapax legomena and the nonce terms used only in well-known works, but often mentioned in critical works thereon. Sometimes COCA at BYU is a good place for finding things that Google searches make difficult. DCDuring TALK 13:18, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Tom
In reverting me you have restored the vandalism. I cannot believe you intended to do that, it is surely not acceptable to have this nonsense on display while discussion takes place. Sorry for deleting the RFV template, I had come to this through the RFC discussion and had not realised the vandalism had independently been identified at RFV at the stage I made the edit, but you still wished to continue with the RFV. I thought the vandalism was the only issue. Spinning Spark ''' 09:35, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Feel free to get rid of the vandalism. I would have done it myself but I still don't have a good intuitive feel for it.
 * IMHO, RfV templates should be removed by someone other than a complainant (eg, me) or an attestor, (eg, you). That way three folks at least have taken a look at the matter, with the decision resting with a "neutral" party. There is no rule that requires this, but it seems likely to prevent needless conflict.
 * The cites you found do look pretty good. DCDuring TALK 21:18, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I've already removed the vandalism once, I'm not going to do it twice. If you're happy for Wikitionary to look stupid, I don't see why I should care much either. Spinning Spark ''' 16:05, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I seem to recall Tom as the name of some part of the ship in Peter Pan (the original novel). My recollection is that it was a gun, but it may have been a bell. (Or ball. ) —msh210℠ (talk) 06:23, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Right and not just the tom-tom:
 * DCDuring TALK 08:01, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

CFI and company names
FYI, Beer_parlour. I am notifying you as a likely supporter of exclusion of almost all company names from Wiktionary, so that you can start arguing your case as early as possible. --Dan Polansky 12:27, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

screw, cop, prison guard

 *

Could we attest those meanings? Nice source for leads, BTW. I always wondered what jolt meant in: -- DCDuring TALK 09:06, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Tributary Load
OK. Well. let's see... You deleted my changes to this term (tributary load) and explained that this is not an encyclopedia... Well… OK. I see your point. I realized that you and someone else have removed my changes and I could not understand why. Then I realized that you have sent a reason in my TALK (never use the "TALK" before) Now I see your point (but do not agree with completely). In that case, can you create an article on Wikipedia for this term? For some reason (and I am sure it has nothing to do with this term) my account have been blocked with, apparently, thousands of other accounts because one abusive user is working within our IP range. This is the first time that I use Wiki in this way. I have used it (Wikipedia and Wiktionary) to find words and terms but never created an account to edit anything in it. This particular term needs a lot more information and I was compelled to create an account today. To my surprise, right after I edited the term (tributary load) I found out that my account was blocked because my IP address fall within a range that have been blocked for abuse. Not a good feeling for someone who decide to contribute for the first time in my life. So, again, since I can’t do it, could you create that article in Wikipedia for this term, please? You can use the files in my account (diagrams) that I created for this. Thank you. Jgnpress Jgnpress 18:29, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not willing to add an article on a subject I know virtually nothing about or to shill for someone else. Perhaps you can work on this subject on a wikipedia project in another language? The difference between an encyclopedia and a dictionary is a fundamental one. BTW, I don't understand why so many WP articles have etymology sections. DCDuring TALK 18:40, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

You don't have to SHILL for me or anything else in that line. Thank you. I don't need your help. It wasn't for me anyway. Thank you for being so understanding and willing to help. You were fast to eliminate my editing of the term (which was a good addition to whoever wanted to understand the term correctly). And I see your point here: a dictionary has to be concise. OK, I get it. Therefore I was suggesting that, since I cannot do it because my IP range have been blocked until (I think) March, you could do a contribution to the world of Wikimedia. That was all. But that is OK. Your answer here only shows the kind of person you are. I will wait until they unblock this range of IPs and try to do it myself. Or better yet, maybe I'll just get away from this world of Wikimedia fanatics. Again, this is the first time that I tried to contribute to anything in Wikimedia, created an account for the first time just for this purpose… but the way you have treated me... well, sucks. I have never used Wikimedia a lot. I have read some articles on Wikipedia and really thought that I was in Wikipedia when I was editing the term and that it was all the same. I still do not know exactly how all of this work and do not know all the rules and regulations here. I was just happy to contribute to something that I know very well (engineering). That is why it took me by surprise to see you editing my addition to the term. It was ONLY after I realized that I was in Wiktionary instead of Wikipedia and that there are many Wiki... subjects, if you will, that I understood the difference. My fault. I was really expecting a friendlier and understanding approached from contributors like you, especially after I have explained what happened. But a harsh: I don’t shill for someone else? (This has nothing to do with me; it was an addition to the empowerment of the Wikimedia). --  BTW: Why did you suggest that I try in another language? Where that came from? The term: Tributary Load is in English, isn’t it? What made you think that I could contribute to that term under another language? How good could it be in another language? I don’t use another language, I don't even know how to say that in any other language. I live and work in the US and English is my language. I sense some form of discrimination here. Don't be fooled by my name...
 * I don't know what your name is. Is your last name "Press"? Is your first name "Juergen"?
 * I was trying to make a constructive suggestion. Because there were a few small grammatical errors in your first posting on this page, I thought that English might not be your first language. Apparently you were just tired or in a hurry. Sorry.
 * I'm sorry that we have gotten off on the wrong foot, especially since I have occasionally been an advocate for the inclusion of more technical term, at least those that meet our standard for "idiomaticity" (ie, being more than the sum of their component terms.
 * We often have glossaries for technical terms in our Appendix namespace. Some of the terms included in the glossaries might not be includable as normal entries and some of the definitions are more encyclopedic than I like to see in our main entries. This would be a good way to contribute if you still wish to.
 * My own initial experience at Wiktionary was not unlike yours, except with terms in psychology. I persisted and learned the weird ways of Wiktionary. DCDuring TALK 14:56, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

tocalo
Hi, I noticed you tried to fix my page tocalo. I know I left that page rather sloppy, this was mainly because of the strange formatting issues. When creating new Asturian templates and categories, I tend to just adapt the Spanish, Galician, Catalan, French, Italian etc. counterpart, but occasionally this ends up leaving a mess. Basically, with tocalo, it is a kind of compound verb form, I guess - the equivalent of tocarlo in Spanish (in Asturian, they leave out the r in these compound forms, also for reflexives - Asturian tocase = Spanish tocarse.) Anyway, I don't know how to tidy up the tocalo page. It was a kind of experiment - I'm making a lot of experiments with Asturian things, you see, and mostly they work out OK! --Cova (talk) 14:21, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I tried to bring it into conformity with our overall standards for formatting, partially documented in WT:ELE. I don't know if there are any really well formatted Asturian entries, but you should try to find the best ones. You should also look at the templates in Category:Asturian_headword-line_templates and the pages that use them. DCDuring TALK 14:27, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the formatting help
Thanks very much for the formatting help, at entry, tough titties. -- Cirt (talk) 19:41, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I hadn't noticed that you were a contributor to the entry. I routinely monitor various cleanup lists to push them as far as I can into conformity with my understanding of Wiktionary's standards as I understand them. There is no shortage of such non-conformity. See Category:Requests for various formalized listings of such needs and wants. DCDuring TALK 20:10, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Taxonomic Names
Taxonomy is a very complicated system, so incorporating it here gets complicated.

For one thing, the rules vary depending on taxonomic level. Generic names are always nominative singular, but gender is important. Specific epithets are either nominative singular adjectives modifying and agreeing in gender with the generic name (though the gender rule is often ignored), genitive singular or plural nouns acting as adjectives, or nominative singular or plural nouns "in apposition" modifying the generic name.

Everything above genus is derived from the generic name by taking its genitive, removing the ending, then adding an ending specific to the taxonomic level (botany and zoology use different sets of names, and botany allows some older names to be "grandfathered in" as alternate forms). In zoology, at least, the rules don't cover anything above family (and its derivatives, such as superfamily), though they tend to follow common practices for a particular field.

That means that genus (with its associated levels), species (with its associated levels) and higher levels such as order, have etymologies, while family-level names can only be described as "from [fill in the generic name here] ".

Of course, the etymology really boils down to "coined by [taxonomic author] from...". In fact, a truly accurate etymology often requires tracking down the original publication of the taxon and seeing what the original author says.

Taxonomic names aren't really Latin, they're a hodgepodge of words from various languages (most often Greek and Latin), those not already Latin being converted into Latin form according to various rules and common practices, then inflected by a very limited subset of Latin grammar. For example, a specific epithet named after a person starts by latinizing the name, then adding a genitive ending treated as if the name is a stem in the 1st declension for females and 2nd declension for males, with some disagreement as to whether there should be an extra "i" in front of the ending: something named for a Mr. Smith would be smithii or smithi, for Mrs. or Miss Smith would be smithae (I'm not sure about smithiae), and multiple Smiths would be smithorum or smithae. Derivative endings such as -ana are often used to avoid conflict with existing taxonomic names. I don't see how "johntuckeri", for instance, could be considered Latin, since it went directly from English to a botanical name- it was never used in an actual Latin sentence.

As for the template: different taxonomic levels are different. At genus level, it's helpful to know the gender, though that's not always easy to find out. I suppose the genitive or the genitive stem might be useful so that derived family-level names can be recognized (for example, Sphing- for Sphinx).

At species level, those which are morphologically adjectives would benefit from alternate forms for the different genders, since they agree in gender with the generic name. The change in ending can make it hard to recognize a specific epithet when the species is moved to a different genus. This doesn't apply to nouns, which don't agree with the generic name. The genitive forms agree with the referent, so alternate gender and number forms could also be of use, though this could get confusing.

As for formatting: the only taxa italicized are those that are listed in a (modified) binomial name, such as genus, subgenus, etc. and species, subspecies, variety, etc.

Author citation is another can of worms, since botany and zoology use different rules, and parentheses are important.

Any of the above have to be carefully weighed as to whether they're helpful enough in practice to outweigh the cost in clutter and confusion.

Personally, I would favor interwiki links to wikispecies rather than having our own interlingual entries. Very few of us at wiktionary understand the difference between taxonomic names and Latin, and equally few know many of the rules regarding taxonomic names. I've had trouble deciding what to do with translation requests in the Latin section where they obviously want the translation for scientific names, since It's not always obvious whether to create a Latin or a translingual entry. Besides, many are named after people or places that wouldn't meet CFI. Chuck Entz (talk) 20:18, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking the trouble for such a long and very helpful reply.
 * Much of what you say is what I suspected or learned from Botanical Latin.
 * It seems to me that even though New Latin is not as elegant and regular as Classical Latin, it is a much part of Latin as Medieval Latin, Ecclesiastical Latin, and Vulgar Latin. It seems a bit more like part of true Latin than Legal Latin and Medical Latin. Merriam-Webster uses the label "ISV", international scientific vocabulary, to finesse some difficulties.
 * As many Classical Latin words are merely transliterations of Greek stems with Latin declension endings, I don't view the Greek derivations as outside the realm of Latin. And Classical, Vulgar, and Medieval Latin had borrowings from Semitic and Germanic languages, as well as others, especially in the area of proper names. It is finally a matter of simply making a decision as there are arguments on both sides. I don't know what Wiktionary users expect, which might have been a way of helping us reach a decision.
 * There are a number of translations of taxons that seem to actually be translations of "X family [or other taxonomic level]", where X is the type genus. That doesn't seem like valuable lexical content. DCDuring TALK 22:54, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Off-topic material
Here's the off-topic material from WT:RFV for you: Mglovesfun (talk) 12:41, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I've blocked you for deliberate vandalism. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:43, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Who died and left you boss? DCDuring TALK 12:46, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Nobody, if you dispute WT:RFV then change it. You're happy to dispute that overhead, overhaul and outcry and words in English? You can't exactly plead ignorance. Therefore if not ignorance, your only possible motive is to harm WT:RFV. 2.28.182.177 12:51, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

outcry
Could someone check whether the audio file is for the noun or verb senses? — Paul G (talk) 08:49, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it covers all senses of both PoSes, except the verb sense "to cry louder than". DCDuring TALK 12:25, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

overhaul
Is the audio file for the noun or the verb? — Paul G (talk) 09:55, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

overhead
Which part(s) of speech is the audio file for? — Paul G (talk) 10:04, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

 * For everything except the adverb. I've never heard it as a pronunciation for the adverb, though our IPA etc says it is. Is it a UK pronunciation? DCDuring TALK 12:38, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

 * Anyone object if I move that stuff to the Tea Room where it belongs, and leave a note for PG? Equinox ◑ 12:48, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * DCDuring objects, nobody knows why. 2.28.182.177 12:53, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I only object to persistent deletions of valid material whose offense is its misplacement, not its content. I'd suggested TR. DCDuring TALK 12:55, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * And you blocked me for this? And you agree with me? Mglovesfun (talk) 12:57, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You know you can remove something and move it elsewhere, right? Stupidest thread ever. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:58, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm still blocking you for vandalism, though perhaps it was due to stupidity in stead of malice. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:59, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * For blocking and reverting me and not taking the trouble to correct the problem by moving the content instead of deleting it. DCDuring TALK 13:00, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Just next time you agree with me, don't block me, as you and I agree on a lot of things, so we'd be blocking each other five times a day. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:02, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * This has nothing to do with substantive agreement and everything to do with heavy-handed reversion of a veteran user, PaulG. You had the option that you say I should have used. DCDuring TALK 13:19, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:DCDuring/2012 QI


text:
bavo

Noun

 * 1) slobber, drool, spit

title: bavo


text:
bavi

Noun

 * 1) pig

title: bavi


text:
speleotherapy

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) The use of the microclimate of salt caves and mines for the treatment of asthma.

Translations

 * Armenian: անձավաբուժություն
 * Russian:, спелеолечение

title: speleotherapy


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bavotuko

Noun

 * 1) bib

title: bavotuko


text: bavotuki

title: bavotuki


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User talk:DCDuring/2012 QII

=2012 Q II=

Talkback
here Pass a Method (talk) 18:23, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Replied
Not a regular here, so my reply took a whopping 2 weeks. --Hydrox (talk) 01:00, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

scrap
Hey, I noticed you tagged it for RfV, then removed your own tag before starting an RfV discussion. Did you mean to do that? By the way, a Google Search of "plans for" "were scrapped" turned up 90,000 hits, and most of the ones on the first page fit my (partially idiomatic) description of the plans being stopped rather than definition #1 of them being thrown away Purplebackpack89  (Notes Taken) (Locker) 05:27, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I think I was mistaken in tagging it. For some reason I was confused by the passive voice. Clearly the sense is derived from the more literal sense, but equally clearly it is not normally a live metaphor now. DCDuring TALK 13:09, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

kohling
I am new to wiktionary. can you explain what I am doing wrong please?
 * There are a lot of little things to learn, but it is good that you have registered.
 * You should sign your posts on discussion and talk pages by adding " ~ " at the end.
 * We don't put pronunciations or etymologies (or much of anything) on entries for "non-lemma" terms like kohling. We have a way of semi-automatically adding those non-lemmas, which you can turn on by switching on the appropriate check-box at "my preferences" / "gadgets".
 * I don't know what kind of things interest you, so it's hard to be constructive. If English is your native language, then take a look at WT:REE for requested entries. WT:ELE is useful, as well as WT:CFI.
 * You may need a thick skin to accept all the corrections that are likely to be inflicted on your early contributions, but paying attention to them is the best way to learn or check what you have learned otherwise. Feel free to ask me or any editor who may correct or revert your contributions. DCDuring TALK 04:44, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Taxonomy
Hey DC, did you know we have for Taxon entries now? It's very handy; it even adds the page to Category:mul:Taxonomic names 50 Xylophone Players talk 20:09, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

occupy the dictionary!
I've cited the "occupy but not hold" sense of [[occupy]], made it an subsense of "occupy (and hold)" ... but now I wonder if it would be more accurate and helpful to have only one sense with usage note (?) immediately after it: What do you think? Either way, the definitions and/or notes can probably be improved. - -sche (discuss) 22:42, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) To take possession or control of, to begin an occupation of.
 * Thanks for asking. I like that kind of thing and will get to it in due course. Intuitively, I find it hard to believe that one can be said to occupy something and not hold it for at least some period of time. A period of occupation would normally coincide with a period of holding. But the neologism may be different. Is there a new sense of occupy that is not durative, but is instead a (media) event? DCDuring TALK 22:57, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Is occupying "taking and holding for a short time" vs. holding, which does not have any "taking" as part of its definition? One can lose what one holds, but not what one occupies? The economics of paying for troops and warfare and the practicalities of police response may make a practical distinction between occupying and holding. DCDuring TALK 23:01, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

 * Actually, our entry seems to be missing an "Occupy (Wall Street)" sense. I'm referring instead to the sense which is the subject of WT:RFV. Its quotations (from 1940, 1975, 1983 and 2006) seem to use "occupy" in the usual military sense, but without the intuitive implication you speak of (that occupying implies holding). Consider "The Japanese can occupy but cannot hold, and what they can hold they cannot hold long" or "Spain occupied, but could not populate [Florida]".
 * I just went looking for a quotation of "Germany occupied France", expecting to find uses like "Germany occupied France for several years" — but instead I found "In the spring of 1940 Germany occupied France, Belgium and the Netherlands." Along with the 1940-2006 citations, this suggests a sense "conquer and begin an occupation of". Is that an accurate interpretation of the 1940-2006 citations? ("Germany occupied France for several years" would be the sense we both find more intuitive, "hold; (garrison and) have control of".) - -sche (discuss) 23:32, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Occupy definitely includes the seizure of what is then held (for a time). I don't think you normally would say "occupy and hold" whereas you can "seize and hold". COCA shows 18 instances of "[seize] and [hold]", only 1 of "[occupy] and [hold]". I didn't get enough sleep and it's been very hot here today. (No air conditioning: It's against my religion and bank account.) I know this has been a day when I should not have operated heavy machinery, so I can't quite get to closure on this. DCDuring TALK 23:44, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * COCA also has 10 instances of "[seize] and [occupy]", which certainly suggests that occupy is a lot closer to "hold". Is there then a sequence: "attack, seize, occupy, hold"? Or is holding just success in seizing and occupying? Occupation also seems to differ in meaning between "seizing and holding against attack" in war and "maintaining an armed force in a place against the sovereignty of the government and people of the place" (or something more felicitous). DCDuring TALK 00:01, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * We are attempting to make distinctions that other dictionaries do not. Perhaps we should find the applicable international law that defines post-hostilities occupation.
 * I am more skeptical than ever about the utility of a distinction between a longer- and shorter-term "holding" or "keeping" associated with occupy. DCDuring TALK 00:21, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

 * In 1940, Germany occupied France. At 10:28 a.m., I stirred the moussaka. Do we need a separate sense for "starting to stir something"? No. Equinox ◑ 00:24, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That's where I began and where I ended. But along the way I discovered the power of coordination ("and") for determining semantic content (excluding legal use of multiple synonyms!) and a possible distinction between occupation during hostilities and occupation after hostilities. DCDuring TALK 00:37, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * (after edit conflict) OK, I've combined the senses, keeping the old def mostly intact. I've tweaked it slightly to try to account for all 'permutations': "Germany occupied (had control of) France for several years" and "China occupies (has control of) Tibet at the moment, but in the past, Tibet was independent and...", vs "Japan can occupy (take control of) but not hold (keep control of)". What do you think? - -sche (discuss) 00:43, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

 * FWIW, stirring can be a short activity: the ocean can certainly be said to have stirred sediment for millions of years, but you could also start stirring at 10:28 and finish before the clock reached 10:29. In contrast, occupation is implicitly a longer activity than the 1940-2006 citations have it being. I might say "at 10:28, I drove to the store down the street" (even though the trip took me until 10:30) — but I would find it very odd if a San Franciscan said "at 10:28, I drove to New York City". In the case of such a long trip, I would expect "at 10:28, I started driving to New York City". - -sche (discuss) 00:49, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Certainly, but that applies to any number of things: "at 10:28, I went to town" (either started, or arrived, but not both, assuming some walking distance)... This seems to be something for a grammar book or appendix. Equinox ◑ 01:02, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * One of the important ways of discovering the shades of meaning of common words is to pay attention to grammatical differences in usage. Having an objective complement, collocating with different prepositions, having aspectual differences are ways that verb senses can be distinguished. Whether occupy has senses aspectually distinct (inceptive, imperfective, durative, stative, etc) is what we have been trying to get at. I wish I had a more intuitive feel for such things. I barely remember the names of some aspects that grammarians have identified as occurring in the wild. Those grammar distinctions in other languages can be semantic distinctions in English. English has some inflectional aspect differences. As I understand it, "ing" endings indicate a progressive aspect and we have the grammatical distinction between simple past, past perfect, and pluperfect. More remotely, verbs ending in "le" (sparkle) are frequentatives of the corresponding base (spark). DCDuring TALK 01:57, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Pre-CodeCat?
You make it sound like an era. I know I feel old but THAT old? o.o 00:44, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * When I was a boy, we would have been happy to have an era named after us. I just wanted to soften the effect of your somewhat harsh edit summary on the newbie? contributor. I figured either you could take it or I could talk my way out of trouble with you. Writing edit summaries is a lot like tweeting: you have to squeeze it in any way you can. I assume it to be limited by # of characters. How many, I wonder? DCDuring TALK 02:30, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Let's see... 200 apparently. Look at the edit summary for this message. 11:30, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * 210, by my count. Thanks for the test. Without spaces I had to scroll far to the right see them all. I have to see how many show up on special watchlist when spaces are inserted. Maybe we should have a character counter like Twitter's.
 * I've noted the oddness that deletion/move summaries seem to have different length limits or are simply added-to when referenced in page histories, with the result that long deletion/move summaries only show up unabridged in logs, whereas they are truncated in page histories. (Or maybe I imagined that?) - -sche (discuss) 12:26, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I've asked a bunch of questions about edit summary size at WT:GP. I may not have asked the right ones. DCDuring TALK 12:39, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism
Please don't. Even if it's only rarely. Also why? Mglovesfun (talk) 16:30, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Who's the vandal here? See User talk:Liliana-60. You could at least wait until I get an answer. DCDuring TALK 16:32, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No, YOU could just wait until you get an answer. Don't make a mistake and then revert an editor who fixes it. Try either not making mistakes, or ask someone if you don't understand instead of reverting blindly to a broken version. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:35, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think Liliana-60 will understand your comment as you haven't told him what it is you want. I'm not sure, but I'm guessing you want a template for Canadian French? Well was never that, it displayed French for a while, then it was a redirect to . I seem to think we have a template for Cajun French, but we could easily make one for Canadian French if we wanted to. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:38, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I was relying on Canadian French. DCDuring TALK 16:59, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I see, I suppose that's because Canadian French is a form French. seems simple enough. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:31, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Database-dump–based list.
Hi DCDuring,

I seem to recall that a while back you made a comment about wanting a list of something. . . maybe a list of verb entries where the past-participle is a bluelink but isn't defined as a past participle? Does that ring a bell? If you can refresh my memory about what it was that you wanted, I can probably generate an approximate list for you based on the last database-dump.

—Ruakh TALK

17:16, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

 * Thanks for remembering. The problem as I see it is that we have a fairly large number of entries for headwords ending in "ed" that are deverbal but only contain adjective section, but do not contain a verb (form) PoS section. Your characterization is good. I could use either the list of verbs or the corresponding list of adjectives, though the latter would be quicker to work with.
 * Can the PoS sections just be bot-inserted be any chance, preferably above the adjective section? I'd be happy to clean up after a bot has done its work, given notice so it can be scheduled when I can do it.
 * There are so many things to be cleaned up.

 * Is it ever going to be possible to render the Special:Uncategorizedtemplates page more useful by categorizing the subpages, presumably by mass addition of standardized documentation pages, starting with those whose parent page has the fewest transclusions? Presumably, it should be done for all subpages within a language code and a language family at once - or do such groupings not speed the clearing of the queue? DCDuring TALK 18:14, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

 * Re: original question: I've started User:DCDuring/NonverbalDeverbals. Right now it only lists a small subset of cases, in that it requires the lemma's inflection-line to be the exact string  , but it should be enough to serve as a starting-point.
 * I always forget how hard it is to generate these sorts of lists, because we have just so many problems with our data that you really can't make any assumptions. I started by looking at headword lines of ==English== ===Verb=== entries, and discovered that a lot of them were using or other incompatible headword-line templates, sometimes because the header was wrong and template was right, and sometimes the reverse. I've cleaned all of those up now, but it doesn't inspire confidence.
 * Re: Special:UncategorizedTemplates: I absolutely agree that standardized documentation pages are the way to go. I created User:DCDuring/UncategorizedTemplates not because I view that as the permanent solution, but only because I didn't think the non-bottable half of the template-categorization effort should have to wait for the bottable half to be figured out. As for doing all subpages of a template at the same time — no, that won't affect the clearing of the job queue. (I don't think it's harmful, but I also don't think it's helpful.)
 * —Ruakh TALK 03:33, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't expect that so many of the adjectives would be denominal. For those of the form "Xed", I was focused on those without Noun PoS sections at "X" and with no Verb PoS section at "Xed". What you have provided seems to be/include those "Xed" entries where "X" has a Verb PoS and "Xed" does not. No matter: All of these need to be enhanced. Strictly speaking, the denominal adjectives are of a different etymology than the past participle, especially where we show distinct etymologies for X#Verb and X#Noun. See skilled: and tell me what you think. What you have provided points out how many problems there are. Yet again, thanks. DCDuring TALK 12:32, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Taxonomy (again)
Hey, when you're fixing up entries can you also convert the See also's to Hyponyms? They almost invariably are taxons within the headword taxon; species with a genus, genera within a family, etc. 50 Xylophone Players talk 16:47, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Next pass, I am going to work through the entries for genera and do a few things, like and Etymologies. Frankly, I think we have no business in hyponyms and hypernyms beyond what goes in, as our sister projects are already competing in the area. I'm not even sure about that stuff within . DCDuring TALK  16:54, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Linguistically, I don't think we are doing much of value in taxonomy other than genera and species epithets. Translations should be from the corresponding English name, if at all possible. If not, wikispecies has plenty of room for vernacular names. Very few of the super-generic names are etymologically interesting, being usually SoP morphs of a genus name. If we had every genus name and all the English vernacular names, I think we would have the framework for adding entries in all other language. I'd even go so far as to call the various Latinate "English" names ending in "id" and "oid" and "acae" and "a" vernacular names for this purpose. My efforts in this realm will go no further. DCDuring TALK 17:10, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Linebreaks in templates
Please don't add extra line breaks before noinclude tags in templates. The extra line breaks do get transcluded when the templates are used, causing some problems. --Yair rand (talk) 17:00, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I was trying not to. These undocumented and uncategorized templates are quite a mess. So it's hard to take the time to be careful. It's never fun cleaning up other people's messes. DCDuring TALK 17:18, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

<noinclude>
It's unnecessary, and IMHO misleading, to use <noinclude> at a template that uses <onlyinclude> (except, of course, inside the <onlyinclude>).

And personally, I think <onlyinclude> is far superior to <noinclude> for cases like.

—Ruakh TALK 19:50, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

 * I'd be happy if the experts had categorized and documented their own templates or those in their bailiwcik. I'm trying just not to break anything or bring the servers to their knees.
 * I've discovered more templates that look as if any change would cause a big load on the servers, eg, . Am I right?
 * Is there any hope to render Special:UncategorizedTemplates as useful a maintenance category as Special:UncategorizedPages by, say, getting the count of those that can't be changed down below 4000? Or is it going to be necessary to periodically run your thing to generate the list I've been working? DCDuring TALK 20:08, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

 * Re: first paragraph: What I mean is, I don't think you needed to re-edit after my last edit. All you did was remove a line-break and add <noinclude> tags, and I don't really see the benefit of either of those changes. (It's only transcluded on two pages. I don't think there's a big problem with the changes. But to me they seem actively pointless, and border on revert-warring, so I'd rather get on the same page if possible.)
 * Re: second paragraph: Yes, you're right.
 * Re: third paragraph: As I told you two days ago, "I created User:DCDuring/UncategorizedTemplates not because I view that as the permanent solution, but only because I didn't think the non-bottable half of the template-categorization effort should have to wait for the bottable half to be figured out."
 * —Ruakh TALK 20:37, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

I hadn't realized that you had edited it and was further confused by "includeonly" and "onlyinclude", which I still don't get. I thought that I'd forgotten to work on that template and didn't see a category, which I thought anyone working on these would add. Even a low-value categorization like to Category:Templates seems better than nothing, as it is not obvious to me what existing template category would be a good home for this. I've reverted the product of my confusion, but not the template categorization. DCDuring TALK 21:15, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

 * I'm totally on board with the template categorization. I didn't even know there was a Category:Templates. (I guess I never looked!) Maybe should include it? And maybe we should set up an abuse-filter to detect the creation of a template without  ?
 * Regarding "includeonly" and "onlyinclude" . . . yeah, the names are confusing. Basically there are three tags:
 * foo<noinclude>bar</noinclude>baz produces foobarbaz on the template page, but <tt>foobaz</tt> on pages that transclude it.
 * <tt>foo<includeonly>bar</includeonly>baz</tt> produces <tt>foobaz</tt> on the template page, but <tt>foobarbaz</tt> on pages that transclude it. (It's one opposite of "noinclude": instead of preventing its contents from being transcluded, it prevents its contents from being anything other than transcluded.)
 * <tt>foo<onlyinclude>bar</onlyinclude>baz</tt> produces <tt>foobarbaz</tt> on the template page, but <tt>bar</tt> on pages that transclude it. (It's another opposite of "noinclude": instead of preventing its contents from being transcluded, it prevents anything other than its contents from being transcluded.)
 * That's for regular template transclusions, as well as subst: and safesubst:ed transclusion. Preload templates, however, don't support "onlyinclude", and while they do support "noinclude" and "includeonly", they don't use the full MediaWiki parser, so they don't do a very smart job of finding where/whether "noinclude" and "includeonly" start and stop.
 * —Ruakh <i >TALK</i > 00:52, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the explanation about the operation of the "includes". It seems to be yet another reason for me to limit what I do to incremental editing, well away from the business end of any templates.
 * I don't think Category:Templates is useful as a permanent one for templates. It is useful as a holder for categories of templates and as a temporary holder of templates that do not have an appropriate category, at least in the opinion of someone assigning that category.
 * An abuse filter for the absence of (or whatever other approach would work) would be really useful in Template space. It would also be nice to have some indication of inadequate categorization, ie, only in Category:Templates requiring documentation. It is less critical that a lack of . Some way of detecting suspiciously slender documentation, not significantly different from a preload might be useful for cleanup. DCDuring TALK  01:06, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

 * Re: "[:Category:Templates] is useful as a temporary holder of templates that do not have an appropriate category": Quite. That's why I was suggesting that  might provide it, so that documented templates will start out there until someone categorizes them better. (After all, Special:UncategorizedTemplates just shows whether a template is in any category at all, even something like Category:Requests for deletion/Others or something like Category:English nouns. A template in a catch-all category can be found and categorized properly.)
 * Re: Abuse filter: O.K., I've given it a shot.
 * —Ruakh <i >TALK</i > 02:22, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

 * I would always favor letting Mediawiki capability, like the special uncategorized pages, do some of the work. I dislike being dependent of technical experts for every bit of smooth functioning. Partially it is because of my own lack of expertise in (or enthusiasm for) technical matters. But in part it is because technical adepts move on, leaving the rest of us to cope with their edifices as best we can. The causes of departure vary, but Ullmann, Daniel., and Conrad.Irwin come to mind. And others show signs of dwindling commitment. Of course some folks are a lot more responsible that others in how they handle technical responsibilities. I am grateful to them, at least in principle. Sometimes it takes a few months before I discover where the documentation I need is! DCDuring TALK 02:34, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

 * I've noticed the same thing. That's why I posted all of the code for User:DCDuring/UncategorizedTemplates on its talk-page, so that it won't depend on me (and on whatever computer I wrote that on). —Ruakh <i >TALK</i > 14:28, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Considering the lack of documentation for templates... do you think it would work to have a specific request page to ask for documentation or clarification of a template? Or should that just go into GP? 15:20, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a good idea for mid-priority/urgency items. The highest should (and anyway would) go to WT:GP. The lowest level could just be in the category populated by.
 * Relatedly, I asked this of Ruakh on his talk page, but you might know:
 * Do changes to a template that are entirely in "noinclude" even generate changes in pages in which the template is transcluded? If so, then it would be without bad consequence to insert so encapsulated for all pages that lack it. DCDuring TALK  15:44, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Template:grc-cite-Plato-Laws-chapcon
I'm assuming you tagged this and Template:grc-cite-Plato-Republic-chapcon for attention because when you go to the template, you see an error? Let me assure you that the two templates work just fine when actually used. I have been unable to get rid of the direct visit error message. I'm not entirely certain why the error comes up, but I have a suspicion that it's because the less than operators that are used can't function properly when comparing wikicode parameters, like, but work just fine when they receive either nothing or numbers, which is what they get in actual use. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 02:25, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I had looked at one entry that used it (or the other one I tagged for the same reason) and it didn't seem right, but the cause may have been different. I'm just trying to push all of the templates I can into categories as close as possible to where they might get whatever treatment they warrant. Sometimes I see something that seems odd to me in my ignorance of technical matters. I trust you to take care of them, or not, as you think is worth your time, certainly without needing to give any explanation to me. I figure that I detect something real once in a while, more often something that would concern others like me that can be fixed simply, and very often something I just don't understand.
 * I'm happy you're still around. DCDuring TALK 03:10, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:DCDuring/2012 QII


text:
bavar

Verb

 * 1)  to drool, to slobber, to slaver

title: bavar


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bavajo

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 * 1) dribble, drool

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 * 1) bur

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зурити

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 * 1)  to stare

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expektorar

Etymology
Borrowed from, , , , all from +.

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 * 1)  to expectorate, cough up

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sedumo

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 * 1) sedum, stonecrop

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selizar

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 * 1)  to saddle bicycle or horse

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desselizar

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 * 1)  to unsaddle bicycle or horse

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