text:
Talk:優

Rfv-sense for "of quality" definition, as it's uncited and not in the Unihan database. Bumm13 (talk) 21:58, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I suspect it's a misunderstanding of how senses are organized here -- "of quality" could well be considered a synonym of "excellent" or "superior", which we already have listed. -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 23:14, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Sense deleted. bd2412 T 19:52, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

title: Talk:優


text:
antiripetitore

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) antirepeater

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: antiripetitore


text:
Talk:ambre-gris

This seems to be attested in French, but not in English. - -sche (discuss) 21:05, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I've placed the only English citation I could find here. - -sche (discuss) 21:32, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Deleted. - -sche (discuss) 00:47, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

title: Talk:ambre-gris


text:
Talk:ambragresia

This doesn't seem to meet CFI; I see two mentions of it in other dictionaries and two very questionable (and capitalised) occurences, one in a list of Latin terms and the other a mention ("it is called Ambragresia"). - -sche (discuss) 21:05, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Deleted. - -sche (discuss) 00:48, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

title: Talk:ambragresia


text:
antirepeater

Noun

 * 1) Any of several electrical or mechanical devices that limit an operation to a single cycle.

Translations

 * Italian: antiripetitore

title: antirepeater


text: Category:Latin terms suffixed with -ela

title: Category:Latin terms suffixed with -ela


text:
sfilamento

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) fraying, unstringing, unwinding
 * 2) parade, march-past

title: sfilamento


text:
march-past

Noun

 * 1) A military parade past a high-ranking officer or head-of-state

Translations

 * Finnish:
 * Greek:

title: march-past


text:
ñáñaras

Noun

 * 1) discomfort or anxiety caused by an unpleasant situation, particularly one that is cringeworthy

title: ñáñaras


text:
take the salute

Verb

 * 1)  To formally acknowledge the salute given by the members of a march-past.

title: take the salute


title: Template:is-conj-s6


text:
antisfilamento

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) anti-fraying

title: antisfilamento


text:
antitraspirazione

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1)  antiperspirant

title: antitraspirazione


text: dodó

title: dodó


text:
Talk:叟

I'm not 100% sure if my last edit was correct. I added a link to 臼 (radical 134), because the original link was rendered as nothing and was a dead link. However there's also a vertical stroke in the character, so that means the composition is now incorrect. Sjors (talk) 09:45, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

title: Talk:叟


text:
User:Sjors~enwiktionary

Software engineer and frequent traveler based in Utrecht, The Netherlands. I occasionally work on language related apps and websites such as http://kangxiradicals.com/

title: User:Sjors~enwiktionary


text: intuíciók

title: intuíciók


text:
antofillite

Noun

 * 1)  anthophyllite

title: antofillite


text:
наркомания

Noun

 * 1) drug addiction, substance abuse

title: наркомания


text: salutvortoj

title: salutvortoj


text: salutvorton

title: salutvorton


text: salutvortojn

title: salutvortojn


text:
kulog

Noun

 * 1) pain, ache

Noun

 * 1) pain

Etymology
From. Cognate to 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) thunder
 * 2) sound like thunder
 * 3)  person whom one dislikes
 * 1)  person whom one dislikes

title: kulog


text:
sabar

Noun

 * 1) A traditional drum from Senegal, generally played with one hand and one stick.

Etymology
From, from.

Adjective

 * 1) patient, forbearing

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) patient

Etymology 1
From.

Noun

 * 1) patience ability to wait
 * 2) patience, endurance ability to accept sorrow and hardship
 * 1) patience, endurance ability to accept sorrow and hardship

Etymology 2
From.

Verb

 * 1) to tolerate, to be patient

Etymology
Probably from 🇨🇬. Both possibly borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) a traditional drum used in Wolof and Serer music

title: sabar


text:
huwag

Verb

 * 1)  do not; don't

Interjection

 * 1) don't!

title: huwag


text:
pamilya

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) family

title: pamilya


text:
lindol

Etymology
From, from. Compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, and 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) earthquake; tremor

title: lindol


text: appaltanti

title: appaltanti


text:
arbitratore

Noun

 * 1) arbitrator

title: arbitratore


text:
arganetto

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) small winch or windlass
 * 1) small winch or windlass

title: arganetto


text:
arganetto idraulico

Noun

 * 1) hydraulic winch / windlass
 * 2) Segner wheel / Segner turbine

title: arganetto idraulico


text:
рукописный

Adjective

 * 1)  manuscript
 * 2) handwritten
 * 3) cursive, chirographic
 * 4) typewritten

title: рукописный


text:
памагаць

Etymology
. . Cognate with 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1) to aid, to assist, to help, to support

title: памагаць


text:
asportatrucioli

Etymology
.

Adjective

 * 1)  wood/metal chip removal

Usage notes

 * Used to describe safety equipment or devices that remove wood or metal chips during machining operations.

title: asportatrucioli


text: assegnataria

title: assegnataria


text:
auramina

Noun

 * 1) auramine

Etymology
+.

Noun

 * 1)  auramine

title: auramina


text:
памагчы

Etymology
Cognates include 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1) to aid, to assist, to help, to support

title: памагчы


text:
autofrenante

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) describes a motor equipped with an electro-mechanical brake unit that operates directly on the motor shaft

title: autofrenante


text:
autogenerato

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) self-generated

title: autogenerato


text:
запякаць

Etymology
Cognate with 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1) to bake

title: запякаць


text: autogru

title: autogru


text:
autoprotettore

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) (self-contained) breathing apparatus (for use by firemen etc.)

title: autoprotettore


text:
contremander

Etymology
.

Verb

 * 1) to countermand (to cancel a previous order)

title: contremander


text: Category:Latin first declension nouns

title: Category:Latin first declension nouns


text: Category:Latin second declension nouns

title: Category:Latin second declension nouns


text: Category:Latin third declension nouns

title: Category:Latin third declension nouns


text:
direktorius

Noun

 * 1) manager, boss, director

title: direktorius


text: Category:Latin fourth declension nouns

title: Category:Latin fourth declension nouns


text: Category:Latin fifth declension nouns

title: Category:Latin fifth declension nouns


text:
Guinesores

Proper noun

 * 1) Windsor (town)

title: Guinesores


text:
plenier

Etymology
From, from.

Adjective

 * 1) whole; entire

title: plenier


text:
Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/dolto

Etymology
From, from , from. Morphologically an instrument noun from or from.

Cognate with 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1)  chisel

Descendants

 * Church Slavonic: (Russian)

undefined
 * East Slavic:
 * South Slavic:
 * West Slavic:
 * Pomeranian:
 * South Slavic:
 * West Slavic:
 * Pomeranian:
 * Pomeranian:
 * Pomeranian:
 * Pomeranian:
 * Pomeranian:
 * Pomeranian:

title: Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/dolto


text:
dalptan

Etymology
From, from , whence also Common Slavic /.

Noun

 * 1) punch (device used for creating holes in thin material)
 * 2) * Elbing German-Prussian Vocabulary
 * Durchslag  Dalptan

title: dalptan


text:
esgart

Etymology
From the verb.

Noun

 * 1) look (action of looking, an attempt to see)

title: esgart


text:
Thread:User talk:CodeCat/Sort key for Old and Middle French

These should be the same as for French (I believe Jèrriais and Guérniais also use the same parameters). I think this is already the case anyway, just wanted to check. PS thanks for the update to fro-noun, will have to see if I can remove a load of redundant parameters by bot.


text:
Сыңғыҙ

Etymology
From, the name of Genghis Khan.

title: Сыңғыҙ


text:
User talk:Silmethule

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title: User talk:Silmethule


text: hoornaars

title: hoornaars


text: hoornaartje

title: hoornaartje


text: hoornaartjes

title: hoornaartjes


text:
Thread:User talk:CodeCat/Sort key for Old and Middle French/reply

I already removed most of them, if not all. See Category:Sort key tracking.


text: horzels

title: horzels


text: horzeltje

title: horzeltje


text: horzeltjes

title: horzeltjes


text:
Thread:User talk:CodeCat/Sort key for Old and Middle French/reply (2)

What I really meant is do frm-adj, frm-noun and so on call Module:fr-utilities (or something that does the same job) to get their sort keys. I'm pretty sure it must be yes or else you wouldn't have removed all the sort keys already.


text:
Thread:User talk:CodeCat/Sort key for Old and Middle French/reply (3)

I didn't make a distinction because I expected that the templates that were still missing it would have it added at some point. There are currently four templates that apply Lua-based sorting:, and its two more specific versions  and. So if you want to add it to a template, use those.


text:
Thread:User talk:CodeCat/Sort key for Old and Middle French/reply (4)

Sorry, you didn't make the distinction between what and what? I'm asking now that Middle French and Old French use the same sort keys as French entries, please.


text:
countermander

Noun

 * 1) One who countermands.

title: countermander


text:
countermandment

Noun

 * 1) The act of countermanding.

title: countermandment


text: countermanders

title: countermanders


text: countermandments

title: countermandments


text:
Thread:User talk:CodeCat/Sort key for Old and Middle French/reply (5)

When removing the sort keys, I didn't make a distinction between removing it from templates that already used Lua based sorting, and those that didn't.


text:
nomen instrumenti

Etymology
+ (genitive of)

Noun

 * 1)  A noun denoting an instrument or tool.

title: nomen instrumenti


text:
Peckinpahesque

Adjective

 * 1) Reminiscent of the work of  (1925–1984), American film director and screenwriter known for his innovative and explicit depiction of action and violence, as well as his revisionist approach to the Western genre.

title: Peckinpahesque


text:
Drehtür

Noun

 * 1) revolving door

title: Drehtür


text: Drehtüren

title: Drehtüren


text: Category:Polish terms prefixed with arcy-


text:
Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/delto

Descendants

 * South Slavic:
 * (dialectal)

title: Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/delto


text:
bijih

Noun

 * 1) ore

title: bijih


text:
weared

Usage notes
In the standard language, this form is only found for sense 11 of ; in nonstandard speech, it may be found more widely.

title: weared


text:
shuffleable

Adjective

 * 1) Capable of being shuffled.

title: shuffleable


text: shufflable

title: shufflable


text:
einbekennen

Verb

 * 1)  to acknowledge

title: einbekennen


text:
einheben

Verb

 * 1)  to collect a fee

title: einheben


text:
Feitel

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1)  pocket knife

title: Feitel


text:
Fopper

Noun

 * 1) one who likes to play jokes or engage in antics
 * 2)  a pacifier

title: Fopper


text: Template:la-decl-gerund/documentation

title: Template:la-decl-gerund/documentation


text:
Frittaten

Noun

 * 1)  a garnishing for soup.

title: Frittaten


text:
cat door

Noun

 * 1) A cat flap.

title: cat door


text: Category:Latin comparative adjectives

title: Category:Latin comparative adjectives


text:
Talk:shaven

So, I'm not a massive grammar/vocab buff, but I am interested. Here I've noticed that there's a separate entry for Adjective and Verb, where it has 'Past Participle' under verb. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't participles adjectives formed from verbs (and past participles adjectives formed from the past tense of a verb)? Davecw (talk) 14:47, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No; for example, past participles of intransitive verbs cannot be used as adjectives. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:06, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

title: Talk:shaven


text: Category:Comparative adjectives by language


text: Category:Portuguese terms derived from Bantoid languages


text: Category:Latin third declension adjectives


text: Category:Portuguese terms derived from Volta-Congo languages


text: Category:Latin first and second declension adjectives


text:
томува

Pronoun

 * 1)  ; to this, to this one, to that, to that one, to him

title: томува


text: Category:Portuguese terms prefixed with co-


text: furburger

title: furburger


text:
bloccabile

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) blockable
 * 2) isolatable

title: bloccabile


text:
Citations:kilo-ohm

 * 1975, Paratus (Suid-Afrikaanse Weermag), Volume 26:
 * Dit sal in die omgewing van 400 kilo-ohm wees.
 * "Suid-Afrikaanse Radioliga Radioamateur-eksamenhandleiding", p. 30:
 * Twee 10 kilo-ohm weerstande is in parallel verbind.

title: Citations:kilo-ohm


text:
bottale

Noun

 * 1)  drum (rotating, cylindrical device), tumbler

title: bottale


text: Category:Japanese terms spelled with 徳 read as とく


text:
brevettazione

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) patenting

title: brevettazione


text: Category:Japanese terms spelled with 徳 read as のり


text:
Citations:ottery

Adjective: "of, pertaining to, or characteristic of an otter"

 * 1985, Ralph Burns, Any Given Day, University of Alabama Press (1985), ISBN 9780817302597, page 45:
 * And a photograph, too, of an otter,
 * two maybe, three,
 * an ottery tangle.
 * 1991, BBC Wildlife, page 236:
 * Anyone who has watched, for example, a litter of otter cubs rolling about in an ottery tangle can hardly doubt that they're really having fun.
 * 1994, Bobby Tullock, Otters, Colin Baxter Photography (1994), ISBN 9780948661440, page 9:
 * The three animals lay entwined in an 'ottery tangle', the only movement came from their gentle breathing.
 * 1996, Albert Goldbarth, Adventures in Ancient Egypt: Poems, Ohio State University Press (1996), ISBN 0814207146, page 23:
 * this guy she's seen before with the . . . ferret? or mongoose? ... an ottery thing, whatever, on a clothesline leash. . ..
 * 2006, David Kavanagh, A Country Pillow Book, Dram Books (2006), ISBN 0954856716, page 248:
 * Otters are the subject of a special event being held at the National Film Theatre in London.
 * Organised in association with The Wildlife Trusts, young wildlife enthusiasts will have the chance to discover 'otterly' fascinating facts from an ottery expert and then see the animal in action in 'Tarka the Otter'.
 * 2006, Hans Kruuk, Otters: Ecology, Behaviour, and Conservation, Oxford University Press (2006), ISBN 9780191513725, page 79:
 * Spraints consist mostly of food remains, such as fish bones, to which are added the fairly inconspicuous secretions of two anal glands, situated along the gut close to the anus; they produce the 'ottery' smell.

title: Citations:ottery


text: Category:Japanese terms spelled with 美 read as よし


text:
buffalopox

Noun

 * 1) A zoonosis that produces pox-like infections in buffaloes, cows and humans

title: buffalopox


text:
Ottery

Etymology
Presumably from

Proper noun

 * 1) The,.
 * Related terms:
 * Related terms:

title: Ottery


text: Ottery St Mary

title: Ottery St Mary


text:
ottery

Adjective

 * Of, pertaining to, or characteristic of an otter.

title: ottery


text:
heittää huiviin

Verb

 * 1)  to gulp down, scarf to eat or drink quickly

Usage notes
can often receive a possessive suffix:

title: heittää huiviin


text: huiviin

title: huiviin


text:
Bongo Bongo Land

Proper noun

 * 1)  The Third World countries, especially those in Africa.

title: Bongo Bongo Land


text:
Template:non-decl-pron-hvar

Declension of hvar

title: Template:non-decl-pron-hvar


text:
fisikus

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) physicist

title: fisikus


text: Category:Japanese terms spelled with 慣 read as かん


text: provinsies

title: provinsies


text: Category:Japanese terms spelled with 図 read as と


text:
onmoontlik

Adjective

 * 1) impossible

title: onmoontlik


text: Category:Afrikaans terms prefixed with on-


text: Category:Japanese terms spelled with 科 read as か


text: geklink

title: geklink


text: Category:Japanese terms spelled with 汎 read as はん


text: gekyk

title: gekyk


text:
uitkyk

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1) to

title: uitkyk


text: uitgekyk

title: uitgekyk


text:
тая

Etymology 1
+.

Pronoun

 * 1)  (the ); this, this one, that, that one, the one, she

Etymology 2
.

Verb

 * 1)  to keep something secret or concealed
 * 2)  to harbour
 * 3)  to hold, to detain
 * 4)  to hide
 * 1)  to hide
 * 1)  to hide

Etymology 3
.

Verb

 * 1)  to precipitate, to liquidize

Derived terms

 * тал
 * тал
 * тал
 * тал
 * тал
 * тал

title: тая


text: Category:Japanese terms spelled with 読 read as よ


text: Category:Japanese terms spelled with 濫 read as らん


text: vriende

title: vriende


text:
besoek

Etymology 1
From, from , from. Equivalent to.

Verb

 * 1) to visit

Etymology 2
From, from. Equivalent to a deverbal from 1.

Noun

 * a
 * 1) company people visiting

title: besoek


text:
behorder

Etymology
origin, from, from +.

Verb

 * 1) to joust (to combat in the form of a joust)

title: behorder


text: besoeke

title: besoeke


text:
gisteraand

Etymology
From, equivalent to.

title: gisteraand


text: Category:Japanese terms spelled with 路 read as ろ


text: Category:Japanese terms spelled with kanji read as ろ


text: Category:Japanese terms spelled with 途 read as と


text: vlae

title: vlae


text: geboer

title: geboer


text:
туй

Etymology
From.

Cognate with 🇨🇬; 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, etc.

Pronunciation

 * (one syllable)
 * (one syllable)

Noun

 * 1) wedding, marriage ceremony
 * 2) feast, banquet
 * 1) feast, banquet
 * 1) feast, banquet

Pronoun

 * 1)   (the ); this, this one, that, that one, the one, it

Usage notes
Туй and the other shortened demonstrative pronouns (тоз, таз, тез, оназ, онуй, онез) are used in the Eastern Bulgarian dialects and are not considered standard. They can also be found in poetry (see quotations) where the number of syllables is important and these pronouns are one syllable shorter than their corresponding standard forms.

Quotations

 * 1867,, “To My Mother”, :
 * "bg"

- та туй сърце младо, таз душа страдна да се оплачат тебе горкана...

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) way, road

Etymology
From, from. Cognates include 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) way, road
 * 2) track, trail

title: туй


text: Category:Japanese terms spelled with 端 read as は


text: verslae

title: verslae


text: Category:Japanese terms spelled with 皮 read as かわ


text: Category:Japanese terms spelled with 着 read as ちゃく


text: Category:Japanese terms spelled with kanji read as ちゃく


text:
dit wil sê

Adverb

 * 1) ; to wit

title: dit wil sê


text:
gerug

Etymology
From, from.

title: gerug


text: gerugte

title: gerugte


text: Category:Japanese terms spelled with 適 read as てき


text: mpg

title: mpg


text: Category:Japanese terms spelled with 雇 read as こ


text:
Citations:otterish

Adjective: "of, pertaining to, or characteristic of an otter"

 * 1985, Alan Dean Foster, The Paths of the Perambulator, Open Road Integrated Media (2011), ISBN 9781453211809, unnumbered page:
 * He compensated for these deficiencies with typically unflagging otterish energy.
 * 1996, David Foster Wallace, Infinite Jest, Little, Brown and Company (2009), ISBN 9780316073851, unnumbered page:
 * Hal is sleek, sort of radiantly dark, almost otterish, only slightly tall, eyes blue but darkly so, and unburnable even w/o sunscreen, his untanned feet the color of weak tea, his nose ever unpeeling but slightly shiny.
 * 2000, Bucky McMahon, "He Was Dogman", Islands Magazine, December 2000:
 * Part rottweiler, part doberman, part pit bull, part buddha, she was always a great recruiter, a wriggling, otterish advertisement for the fun of the jaunt.
 * 2001, Garth Nix, Lirael, Harper Trophy (2002), ISBN 0060278234, page 288:
 * Forcing her clawed forepaws to be still, she tried to concentrate on the room, hampered by her otterish vision, with its different field of view and lack of color.
 * 2002, Bob Ellis, Goodbye Babylon: Further Journeys in Time and Politics, Viking (2002), ISBN 9780670040827, page 475:
 * His jovial, otterish, undergraduate, joshing decency was real, I decided, very country town, very West Australian.
 * 2003, Philip Lopate, Getting Personal: Selected Essays, Basic Books (2003), ISBN 0465041736, page 111:
 * I waited for her to turn and notice me — she was talking to an otterish-looking young Korean whose television-blue shirt with white collar somehow rubbed me the wrong way — they were dallying like cousins.
 * 2005, Michael Cunningham, Specimen Days, Picador (2006), ISBN 9780312425029, page 164:
 * He raced by her cubicle, stuck his small, otterish head in.
 * 2006, Kim McLarin, Jump at the Sun, Harper (2007), ISBN 9780060528492, page 157:
 * In the first pew the college president sat nodding in his seal-gray morning suit, his otterish wife slick beside him in a blue feathered hat and white opera gloves.
 * 2008, Jim Norton, I Hate Your Guts, Simon Spotlight Entertainment (2008), ISBN 9781416587859, page 161:
 * The worst part about him, including his moist otterish face and obesity, was his breath.
 * 2009, C. Stephen Baldwin, Shadows Over Sundials: Dark and Light: Life in a Large Outside World, iUniverse (2009), ISBN 9781440157172, page 2:
 * That didn't change the silence of early evenings when I lay in bed and listened to the smaller branches of my favorite oak tree scrape gently against the house outside my window while a whippoorwill, which I always imagined for some reason as a small otterish animal, hooted softly against the approaching dark.
 * 2011, Karen Russell, Swamplandia!, Vintage Books (2011), ISBN 9780307276681, page 349:
 * Sawtooth smoothed a finger over his otterish whiskers.
 * 2012, Charles de Lint, Under My Skin, Razorbill (2012), ISBN 978-0-670-06533-2, unnumbered page:
 * “Yeah. But she's probably only calling herself that for her blog. It could be anything. She might be on the surf team. Has anyone been acting differently? Kind of, I don't know. Otterish?”
 * “That's her animal shape?” Desmond asks. “An otter?”

title: Citations:otterish


text:
otterish

Adjective

 * Of, pertaining to, or characteristic of an otter.

title: otterish


text:
trega

Verb

 * 1)  to mourn, to grieve

Etymology
From, from. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) pain, grief, vexation, hurt, ill

title: trega


text:
tregi

Noun

 * 1) sorrow, grief

title: tregi


text:
tindasvín

Etymology
From 🇰🇲.

Noun

 * 1) hedgehog (Erinaceus europaeus)

title: tindasvín


text: Category:Japanese terms read with yutōyomi


text:
trúlofa

Verb

 * 1) to betroth, to engage

title: trúlofa


text:
Citations:straw-clutchingly

Adverb: "in a manner which involves clutching at straws"

 * 1999, Bryn Palmer, "Same again for men in black", The Scotsman, 22 October 1999:
 * In other words, any Scottish supporter who had straw-clutchingly hoped for a fitness crisis in the All Blacks game has been disappointed.
 * 2007, Freya North, Pillow Talk, Sourcebooks Landmark (2011), ISBN 9781402254468, page 105:
 * However, in those heightened milliseconds of being able to circumnavigate the entire scene of her imminent destruction, Petra knows that her straw-clutchingly pathetic notion is far from the truth.
 * 2010, John Carlin, "Are Barcelona simply the greatest team of all time?", The Independent, 8 April 2010:
 * Manchester United who, in the conventional thinking, are a more robust, less effete team than Wenger's were just as straw-clutchingly inept against Barcelona in the Champions League final last May.
 * 2013, Michael Hogan, "The time is right for a female Doctor Who", The Telegraph, 2 August 2013:
 * The half-hour show will be hosted by Zoe Ball and fans are already speculating that this could be a hint that we’re about to see the first female Doctor in the show’s 50-year history.
 * That might be a straw-clutchingly tenuous theory but the time is certainly right.

title: Citations:straw-clutchingly


text: Category:Japanese terms read with jūbakoyomi


text:
straw-clutchingly

Adverb

 * 1) In a manner which involves clutching at straws

title: straw-clutchingly


text: Category:Japanese terms by reading pattern


text:
se Dex me saut

Etymology
Literally, "if God saves me".

Phrase

 * 1) God protect me; God save me

title: se Dex me saut


text:
picnicware

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) disposable plates, cups, etc. intended for use on picnics

title: picnicware


text:
partyware

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) disposable plates, cups, etc. intended for children's parties

title: partyware


text: picnicwares

title: picnicwares


text: partywares

title: partywares


text: Category:Japanese terms spelled with 豚 read as ぶた


text: Category:Japanese terms spelled with kanji read as ぶた


text:
igulkøttur

Etymology
From.

From, a compound of +.

Cognate with 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) hedgehog (Erinaceus europaeus)

title: igulkøttur


text:
macassared

Adjective

 * 1)  Treated with macassar oil.

title: macassared


text:
unmassacred

Adjective

 * 1) Not massacred.

title: unmassacred


text:
тези

Pronoun

 * 1) ; these, these ones, those, those ones, the ones, they

title: тези


text:
тия

Pronoun

 * 1)  (the ); these, these ones, those, those ones, the ones, they

title: тия


text:
тез

Pronoun

 * 1)   (the ); these, these ones, those, those ones, the ones, they

Usage notes
Тез and the other shortened demonstrative pronouns (тоз, таз, туй, оназ, онуй, онез) are used in the Eastern Bulgarian dialects and are not considered standard. They can also be found in poetry (see quotations) where the number of syllables is important and these pronouns are one syllable shorter than their corresponding standard forms.

Quotations

 * 1873,, “Hadzhi Dimitar”, Nezavisimost (newspaper):
 * "bg"

- Пейте, робини, тез тъжни песни!

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) fast, quickly, rapidly

title: тез


text: ESPGHAN

title: ESPGHAN


text:
riksho

Etymology
, probably via.

Noun

 * 1) rickshaw

title: riksho


text: Category:Swahili terms derived from Japanese


text: Category:Swahili terms derived from Japonic languages


text: Template:R:trk:ESTJa

title: Template:R:trk:ESTJa


text: Category:Proto-Turkic reference templates


text: Category:Proto-Turkic templates

title: Category:Proto-Turkic templates


text:
skirty

Adjective

 * 1) Like a skirt; featuring a skirt or skirts.
 * The sides flare out to give it a skirty look.
 * the skirty national dress of India
 * 1) Wearing a skirt.
 * chased a skirty maid
 * 1) Fond of wearing skirts; tending to wear skirts.
 * I'm just not a skirty person.

title: skirty


text: eteromanio

title: eteromanio


text: eteromanion

title: eteromanion


text:
deperch

Verb

 * 1)  To leave a perch.
 * Let's deperch.

title: deperch


text:
reperch

Verb

 * 1)  To perch again.

title: reperch


text: deperched

title: deperched


text: reperching

title: reperching


text: reperched

title: reperched


text: eteromaniulo

title: eteromaniulo


text: eteromaniuloj

title: eteromaniuloj


text: eteromaniulon

title: eteromaniulon


text: eteromaniulojn

title: eteromaniulojn


text: toksomaniuloj

title: toksomaniuloj


text:
Citations:revolutionarity

Noun: "the state or quality of being revolutionary"

 * 1887, D. Mackenzie Wallace, "Secret Societies in Russia", Eclectic Magazine of Foreign Literature, Science, and Art, Volume XXVI, Number 4, October 1887, page 398:
 * Revolutionarity can exist only in the feelings of an individual man or in the periodical outbursts of the masses.
 * 1965, Praxis, Volume 1, page 54:
 * There is, likewise, no philosophy nor any major theoretical venture in history which, irrespective of its revolutionarity, is totally free of the authority of tradition.
 * 1982, Socialist Thought and Practice, Volume 22, Issues 1-7, page 93:
 * In explaining this problem he clearly showed that the Bulgarian communists failed the test of standards of internationalism and revolutionarity on the question of the right of Macedonian people to self-determination.
 * 1984, Maximum Rocknroll, Issue 19, unknown page:
 * If you do whatever the masses don't do or the minority does, you're just as mindless a conformist follower as they are. How revolutionary?! CRASS, M.D.C., and the Yippies are probably just suggesting a better lifestyle to be considered, not step-by-step instructions to revolutionarity.
 * 1984, Survey Sarajevo, Volumes 11-12, page 177:
 * Somewhat later, at the Tenth Congress, Tito in a similar way stressed that the revolutionarity of the working class is given in its being
 * 1990, Jerrold Levinson, Music, Art, and Metaphysics: Essays in Philosophical Aesthetics, Oxford University Press (2011), ISBN 9780191615788, unnumbered page:
 * A similarly obvious distinction, but one whose nonobservance is the root of a certain class of problematic cases, is that between permanent and time-relative ways of taking certain art attributes, among them originality, provocativeness, revolutionarity.
 * 1996, Sculpture, Volume 15, page 92:
 * Tršar stated for the media: "My aim was to present 'revolutionarity' of the Slovene nation in all its grandeur.
 * 2009, Holger Heide, "The European Experience: The Millionfold Trauma of the Twentieth Century is Still Virulent", in Globalization and Regional Integration in Europe and Asia (ed. Nam-Kook Kim), ISBN 9780754676133, page 75:
 * The problem lies much more in the fact that all these developments, including the resistance to them — and this independent of the degree of "militancy" — still take place within capital. This necessarily calls for a completely different revolutionarity.

title: Citations:revolutionarity


text: toksomaniulon

title: toksomaniulon


text: toksomaniulojn

title: toksomaniulojn


text:
revolutionarity

Noun

 * 1) The state or quality of being revolutionary.
 * 2) * 1984, Maximum Rocknroll, Issue 19, unknown page:
 * If you do whatever the masses don't do or the minority does, you're just as mindless a conformist follower as they are. How revolutionary?! CRASS, M.D.C., and the Yippies are probably just suggesting a better lifestyle to be considered, not step-by-step instructions to revolutionarity.
 * 1) * 1984, Maximum Rocknroll, Issue 19, unknown page:
 * If you do whatever the masses don't do or the minority does, you're just as mindless a conformist follower as they are. How revolutionary?! CRASS, M.D.C., and the Yippies are probably just suggesting a better lifestyle to be considered, not step-by-step instructions to revolutionarity.

title: revolutionarity


text:
revolutionariness

Noun

 * 1) The state or quality of being revolutionary.

title: revolutionariness


text:
erotomanio

Noun

 * 1)  or  with  ;

title: erotomanio


text: erotomanion

title: erotomanion


text: erotomaniulo

title: erotomaniulo


text: erotomaniulojn

title: erotomaniulojn


text: erotomaniulon

title: erotomaniulon


text: erotomaniuloj

title: erotomaniuloj


text: megalomanio

title: megalomanio


text: megalomaniulo

title: megalomaniulo


text: megalomanion

title: megalomanion


text: megalomaniuloj

title: megalomaniuloj


text: megalomaniulon

title: megalomaniulon


text: megalomaniulojn

title: megalomaniulojn


text: mitomanio

title: mitomanio


text: mitomanion

title: mitomanion


text:
mitomaniulo

Etymology
From.

title: mitomaniulo


text: mitomaniuloj

title: mitomaniuloj


text: mitomaniulon

title: mitomaniulon


text: mitomaniulojn

title: mitomaniulojn


text:
Whitetrashistan

Proper noun

 * 1)  A region, or a notional country, inhabited by white trash.

title: Whitetrashistan


text:
Castrism

Noun

 * 1)  Castrist beliefs and policies generally.

Translations

 * Portuguese:, fidelismo

title: Castrism


text:
ísfjall

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) iceberg

title: ísfjall


text:
défibrillation

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) defibrillation

title: défibrillation


text:
Սևրուկյան

Etymology
From, from ; compare the given name. For the l > r sound change compare >.

Proper noun

 * , Sevrukyan, Sevrukian, Sevrugian

title: Սևրուկյան


text:
取り替える

Verb

 * 1) exchange, change for, swap
 * 2) replace, change

title: 取り替える


text:
サンルーフ

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) sunroof

title: サンルーフ


text:
User talk:-sche/Archive/2013

Dates of the English language, in particular the word a
I am still learning all the nuances of this undertaking, and granted I am not as knowledgeable in the languages as I am in the Sciences, but I am learning as I go. After your deletion of the a definitions for she, he, it, they etc. I did a bit of research and I see where you are coming from. It would have helped if you or anyone could have just pointed some of these things out to some of us newcomers. I understand that people may not feel it is their job to train all the newbie's but a little advice and "training" would go a long way in saving both yours and others time later on down the road, especially to those of us that it appears apparent are not just entering the odd word, but are attempting to assist in this great undertaking in a meaningful way. First, I want to explain the way that I am/was wording things on the defdate template. If it is in current use I would say something like First attested around 1350 to 1470., meaning that is when it was first documented. If it is obsolete, I would say something like, Attested from around 1350 until 1470. or Attested from around 1350 to 1470 until the late 16th century. In particular with the she, he, it variations of the word a, my sources stated obsolete except in Scottish and English dialectal form, which I took to mean it was still in limited modern usage. Now back to the research (quick) that I did, I see that the Modern English language is said to have "arrived" in the early to mid 15th century, so I will keep that in mind when I am adding obsolete words that didn't go beyond those dates and then I will place them in their respective Middle or Old English areas. With all of this, there is a question that comes to light if a word is formed as my SOED say in the OE range of prior to 1150, but still persists into the modern English ranged of the 17th century, does it get an entry in all three date ranges of the English language, Old, Middle, and plain English? Finally, as I have stated before on many of my posts, (not just to you, -sche, but to all, please correct me, guide me, or whatever you need to do, (in a pleasant manner :) please), as that will make your job's easier if I am making mistakes and it will make mine easier of I don't have to go back and clean up my own mistakes. Speednat (talk) 18:12, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I am not too good at this finding and citing thing, but I did run across Shakespeare's Henry V, where he writes "a babbled of green fields" where a definitely is he. I don't know how I found that, it just kind of popped up while I was looking for something else. Anyway I am not losing too much sleep over this, I just want the product (WT) to be as good and comprehensive while accurate as possible. Speednat (talk) 03:56, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Hi! I didn't realise you were the one who added the [[a]] senses, or I would just have asked you what you meant by the dates; I'm sorry. (Sorry also that I and other Wiktionarians are so taciturn.) Regarding "obsolete except in Scottish and English dialectal form": in speech, I expect /ə/ or /ɑ/ is found (for "he", "it" and "they" if not for the others) in many dialects, as a reduction of /hi/, /ɪt/, etc... but I couldn't find anything in print. It's hard to search for, too (as you know)... I should probably scour a Shakespeare corpus to see if anything else like the "a babbled" you cite turns up for "she", "it" or "they".
 * Regarding words attested in multiple periods: if a word is attested in Old English, it should have an ==Old English== entry, yes. I think Wiktionary should also have Middle and Modern English sections for words attested in both those periods (because pronunciation and sometimes inflection differ), but I get the impression from some other editors that they don't think Middle English entries are necessary if a word is also attested in modern English. - -sche (discuss) 04:06, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I believe I found two more to make it a threesome, is that is needed to qualify an entry? I believe I have read that as correct, so I will re-add the entry with the citations. Let me know what you think, please. Speednat (talk) 07:21, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Scratch that. I didn't realize that the senses in question were all but he, which is what all of my citations cover. So I guess that I will keep my eye open for other instances. Also, I didn't realize that me evolution was as drastic as it has been. Back when I started using the defdate template (like with the a entry), I was just writing in years. I have since added the more detailed words that I stated above. I may need to go back and expand all of those "poor" entries, as they aren't extremely clear. Speednat (talk) 07:31, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Formatierung
Hallo -sche,

Könntest du bitte meine Ergänzung an das übliche, englische Format anpassen? Ich danke dir! Schöne Grüße --Yoursmile (talk) 12:16, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Hallo Yoursmile! Das passte schon an einer der hier-üblichen Formate. :) Einige Benuzter leiten die Definitionen von englischen Wörtern mit Großschreibung ein (als pseudo-Sätze, die auch mit einem Punkt abgeschlossen werden), andere verwenden Kleinschreibung und keinen Punkt, besonders wenn es um einfache Glossierungen handelt. (Definitionen von anderssprachigen Wörtern sind in der Regel nur Glossierungen.) MfG, - -sche (discuss) 21:40, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Rhymes
I am starting to look at working on the Rhymes section and I noticed that there are missing templates. Who should I get with to make sure, that when I make these missing templates that I am doing so correctly? I have made a couple already and they seem to work fine, but I want to make sure that all my I's are dotted and T's crossed. The ones that I have done so far are Here and Here and I made some changes Here and Here. Speednat (talk) 17:23, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

eine Bitte zu Kurzweil
Hallo -sche! Von Benutzer Metaknowledge wurde die Bitte geäußert, die Beispiele zu übersetzen. Ich habe versucht, ihm die Problematik von Übersetzungen klar zu machen. Zwei offizielle Übersetzungen habe ich gefunden, von denen eine das Lemma völlig ignoriert und die gegebene Übersetzung, wie mir scheint, auch dessen Bedeutung nicht konnotiert. Des Weiteren habe ich versucht, alle anderen Beispiele zu übersetzen. Nun meine Bitte: Wärst du so gut und schaust dir alles mal an und korrigierst sie. Ich denke, es ist wichtig, das genaue Register zu treffen, was mir leider nicht zu gelingen scheint. Vielen Dank dafür im Voraus. — Lieben Gruß dir und ein gesundes Neues Jahr, Caligari  ƆɐƀïиϠႵ  07:52, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hier die Beispiele samt Übersetzungen:

—Friedrich Schiller: Die Verschwörung des Fiesco zu Genua. Ein republikanisches Trauerspiel. [1783] In: Schillers Sämtliche Werke. Erster Band, J. G. Cotta′sche Buchhandlung, Stuttgart 1879 (Projekt Gutenberg; retrieved January 3, 2013). —Friedrich Schiller: Fiesco, or The Genoese Conspiracy. A Tragedy by Frederich Schiller. The Echo Library, Teddington 2006, ISBN 1-4068-2052-0, p 16 (GoogleBooks; retrieved January 4, 2013). —Heinrich Heine: Zur Geschichte der Religion und Philosophie in Deutschland. [1833/34] In: Der Salon. Band II, Hoffmann und Campe, Hamburg 1835 (Projekt Gutenberg; retrieved January 3, 2013). —Rainer Maria Rilke: Mohn … [1895] In: Die Erzählungen. 1. Auflage, Insel Verlag, Frankfurt am Main 1997 (Projekt Gutenberg; retrieved January 3, 2013). —Kurt Tucholsky: Der Bär tanzt. [1928] In: Das Lächeln der Mona Lisa. 1. Auflage, Ernst Rowohlt, Berlin 1929, p. 222 (Wikisource; retrieved January 3, 2013). —Eike Nienaber: Otjiwarongo hat viele Namen… In: Allgemeine Zeitung. Älteste Tageszeitung Namibias — Nachrichten von A bis Z auf gut Deutsch. August 7, 2008 (URL; retrieved January 3, 2013). —Das Fabelhafte Weihnachts-Spektakulum. In: Tageblatt. Zeitung fir Lëtzebuerg. December 9, 2011 (URL; retrieved January 3, 2013).
 * 1) * „Schiebt meine Vernunft nicht im Kurzweil herum.“
 * "[…] mock not thus my reason."
 * Do not mock my reason whilst amusing yourself.
 * Do not push around my reason whilst amusing yourself.
 * Do not trifle my reason whilst amusing yourself.
 * 1) * „Unter den nackten Göttern und Göttinnen, die sich dort bei Nektar und Ambrosia erlustigen, seht Ihr eine Göttin, die, obgleich umgeben von lauter Fröhlichkeit und Kurzweil, dennoch immer einen Panzer trägt und den Helm auf dem Kopf und den Speer in der Hand behält. Es ist die Göttin der Weisheit.“
 * Amongst the naked Gods and Godesses who disport themselves there with nectar and ambrosia, you see a Goddess who, although surrounded by nothing but/pure joyance and diversion, however always wears a cuirass and keeps her helmet on and her spear in the arm. It is the Goddess of Wisdom.
 * 1) * „Freilich, du willst sie bei Namen nennen und liebkosen; du willst sie am Ohre zupfen und Kurzweil mit ihr treiben.“   —Friedrich Nietzsche: Von den Freuden- und Leidenschaften. In: Also sprach Zarathustra. Ein Buch für Alle und Keinen. Ernst Schmeitzner, Chemnitz 1883, p. 45 (DTA; retrieved January 3, 2013).
 * "To be sure, thou wouldst call it by name and caress it; thou wouldst pull its ears and amuse thyself with it."   —Friedrich Nietzsche: Joys and Passions. In: Thus Spake Zarathustra. A Book for All and None. The Modern Library, New York 1917, p. 34 (translated by Thomas Common; Wikisource; retrieved January 4, 2013).
 * 1) * „Und da gab’s in diesem vornehmen Kreise mancherlei Kurzweil.“
 * And there was various amusement in this courtly circle.
 * 1) * „Indessen scheint es, daß sie keinerlei Neigung besitzt, unserer Schäferstunde den Verlauf bloßer Kurzweil zu geben.“
 * It seems however that she has no inclination to give our tryst the tenor of bare/mere/sheer amusement.
 * 1) * „Seien es nun landschaftliche, kulturelle oder tierische Attraktionen - der Ort samt Umland wartet mit jeder Menge touristischer Kurzweil auf.“
 * Whether it be the scenic, cultural or animal attractions – the place, along with its hinterland, offers a lot of touristic pastime.
 * 1) * „Handwerksstände zum Mitmachen und ein attraktives Kinderprogramm bieten Kurzweil für Groß und Klein.“
 * Craft stalls to join in and an attractive program for children offer pastime for young and old.

 * Wow, du hast Recht, die offizielle englische Übersetzung der Verschwörung des Fiesco ist schlecht. Ich habe eine zweite Übersetzung gefunden, von George D'Aguilar: "Speak, I / Conjure you, speak, nor longer trifle with / A lover's tortures." Auch das gibt den Sinn nicht exakt wieder. I'll see what I can come up with, though. :) Liebe Grüße, - -sche (discuss) 21:36, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Kurzweil
I apologize for removing the L2 header from the entry. In regards to the actual content of my edit, why are you opposed to using "pages and pages of the edit window" when it makes the wikitext vastly more readable? I don't like guessing what part of the quotation is the publisher, what part is the chapter, what is the title, for each editor's personal formatting style. DTLHS (talk) 20:28, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not the only one who thinks the templates, rather than making things "vastly more readable", have the opposite effect. Ruakh, too, has called them "a huge broken mess that should never be used". If quotations are formatted according to the standard format prescribed in WT:", chapter titles won't be confused with publishers. If quotations don't follow the standard format, it's no harder to convert them to it than to convert them to templates. (Well, someone used to the manual format might have to look at the template's documentation to remember its parameters, and someone used to the template might have to look at WT:" to remember the manual format, but that's a wash and goes away with exposure to the other format, anyway.)
 * I don't recall a discussion of the issue itself, though (only discussions like the one I link to that ended up touching on it tangentially). Perhaps we should start one... - -sche (discuss) 20:48, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Reference-book template
I am butting heads with my favorite antagonist Dan Polansky over the use of the reference-book template. I know you are familiar with my edits and I would appreciate your opinion on the matter. Normally I utilize the template to inline cite things like IPA or etymology information or if a really obscure definition is expanded on. I then use the s as s in that particular   section. So, I told it to save the code even with the 'error'. (I shouldn't have done that.) I then checked the diff, at which point I saw the commas go missing, and re-added them. (How they went missing in the first place is a mystery.) I hadn't previewed the diff before saving that because that operation is prohibitively slow on my computer, since it combines the already slow operations of loading the page in the edit window and checking the difference between two revisions (see Wikitiki's GP post). I didn't notice any outbreak of script errors, because I continued adding family info to various languages, and so didn't open any page besides Module:languages until much later (whereas I fixed the problem within five minutes). I'm actually slightly put off by that; if I broke as many pages as the GP implies, I'd like to have noticed. - -sche (discuss) 15:27, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Slight objection to "can do without"
I responded to the discussion, with a slight objection. Please respond. Tharthan (talk) 17:09, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Etymology of 'Vampire'
I saw you reverted my edit on the possibility that the origin of the word 'vampire' might actually be Albanian 'dhampir'. I think this is a very real possibility, considering: 1) the Albanian-Romanian historical proximity, 2)Abanian-Romanian common words and phonetic rules in loanwords, 3)the very detailed and thorough etymology 'dhampir'. Robert Elsie is not a linguist and what he thinks about the etymology of dhampir is frankly irrelevant. In fact, it is phonetically impossible for dhampir to be derived from Slavic *ypir (what does this word mean in Slavic anyway?), while the term was spreaded in the world through Romanian vampir, which reflects perfectly Albanian dhampir (Alb. th/dh>Rom.f/v-z, cf. Alb. thërrime 'crumb>Rom.farima 'id' etc)Etimo (talk) 21:50, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Mono
I saw this edit and I think that it is a bad idea to use names of political entities in language names. Could we not have called them "Mono (America)" and "Mono (Congo)"? --WikiTiki89 22:01, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * This is a thought-provoking question. I don't agree that using country names is a bad idea, or more accurately, I don't think using "Congo" would be better. And FWIW, using country names has been an en.Wikt practice (copied, it seems, from Ethnologue) for a long time — since before I started editing language names. We have other lects disambiguated as "(Ghana)", "(Central African Republic)", etc, and I documented the practice in WT:LANG. It's not the first choice, of course: that's "use an alternative name, if one is attested". But it's also not the last line of defence against having two languages with the same name: if, as sometimes happens in Indonesia and in Africa, two lects share both a name and a home country, they can be disambiguated by their respective families. You've prompted me to wonder if we shouldn't make "disambiguate by family membership" our second go-to (and use "disambiguate by home country" third, i.e. swap the order of the two). In fact, we could even consider whether or not using family disambiguation would be preferable to using alternate names as a first go-to. (Maybe not, since it would mean a lot of languages would have trailing parentheticals.) Even if we don't decide to make family membership our second go-to, we should decide how we want to present it. We currently have an "Austronesian Mor" (contrasted with a "Sepik Mor"), but also a "Mari (Austronesian)" contrasted with a "Mari (Sepik)". Both are my doing (whoops!), because I had forgot about the Mors when I named the Maris, and was following the model of the parenthetical country names. - -sche (discuss) 23:00, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I do like the idea of using names like "Austronesian Mor" instead of "Mari (Austronesian)", so maybe we should do that more often. But I still think that if family names are not enough, we should not use country names for diambiguation at all, but rather the name of the region. Countries change all the time, while regions stay where they are. I certainly hope that "United States of America" won't change any time soon, but if it does, the name "Mono (America)" would still be valid. As for the Congolese one, maybe it could be "Mono (Africa)". Do you think this would be a WT:BP discussion? If so, I will probably wait until after Thanksgiving before bringing it up there. --WikiTiki89 23:15, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, I've started Beer parlour/2013/November. I apologise if you had been planning to and I pre-empted you. - -sche (discuss) 23:21, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * No, it makes no difference who starts it. --WikiTiki89 01:31, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Bahnaric
What is this? I have never heard of that family before. -- Liliana • 10:23, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * And I don't know why my recent edit removed them. I must have accidentally edited an old revision. -- Liliana • 10:26, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

 * Bahnaric is a family of Afroasiatic Austroasiatic languages; overviews of it can be found in the International Encyclopedia of Linguistics (volume 1, starting on page 487) and Wikipedia. Information on North Bahnaric and on the classification of Hre (hre being the language that brought the family to my attention) can be found Edmondson, Gregerson and Sidwell 2011 and Smith 1972. I hadn't heard of the family, either, till yesterday. :b
 * As for Ubangian, I didn't affiliate it with Niger-Congo because the scholarship cited by WP (even, notably, the scholarship that classifies it as Niger-Congo) suggests that no evidence to support Greenberg's initial placement of it in Niger-Congo has actually "ever be[en] produced" and it (per Dimmendaal) "probably constitutes an independent language family that cannot or can no longer be shown to be related to Niger–Congo (or any other family)." If it is to be reclassified as nic-, we'll need to move it into alphabetical order in Module:families and update the [//en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&search=qfa-ubg&fulltext=Search&ns828=1&redirs=1&profile=advanced various languages] in Module:languages that call on it under its old (qfa-) code. - -sche (discuss) 18:36, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you're confusing Afro-Asiatic and Austro-Asiatic. -- Liliana • 15:53, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Oops, dyslexia strikes again! Thanks for pointing that out. - -sche (discuss) 15:57, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Protocol-relative URLs.
Re: "the software knows which prefix to provide based on whether the user is browsing securely (https) or not (http), right?": Right, though to be clear, the "the software" in question is the Web browser or other user agent. If you view the HTML source, you'll see that the MediaWiki software just passes through the //... unscathed. (Sorry if you already understood that. To me "the software" sounds like MediaWiki software, but maybe that's just me.) —Ruakh TALK 05:08, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks for the clarification. :) - -sche (discuss) 05:58, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Use of /e/ where /ɛ/ would be more appropriate
I've always considered these to be quite different phonemes. /e/ is like a monophthong version of /ɛi/, whilst /ɛ/ is... erm... /ɛ/.

Yet I've seen quite a few times where /e/ has been used where /ɛ/ would have been more appropriate. I can't recall any off the top of my head, but I am certain I've seen instances.

These weren't at the end of a word either, so I don't think it's a dialectual (yeah, I know it's "dialectal"; it's a habit) thing.

Any ideas? Tharthan (talk) 01:58, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

 * Hmm, could you give me some context? What language are you talking about — English? In standard US and UK English, the closest thing to /e/ is /eɪ/ (which some sub-varieties realise as [e]), the vowel of "play" and "made". I'm not familiar with /ɛi̯/ in English, but it does exist in Dutch. Some varieties of English use /e/ where other varieties use /ɛ/, even in the middle of words; for example, the Australians pronounce "bed" /bed/ while the Brits and Americans say /bɛd/. Lastly, the 'e'-like vowel that occurs before the 'r' of words like "air" (and some or all of "Mary", "marry" and "merry", depending on the speaker) is difficult if not impossible to transcribe precisely using the IPA, for which reason you'll find all of /e/, /eɪ/, /ɛ/, /ɛə/ or /ɛː/ (and perhaps other things) in broad transcriptions of it (e.g. in [[air]], [[dairy]] and [[dare]]). - -sche (discuss) 02:52, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's merry, Mary, marry merger related, (though I did indeed notice the odd transcription style of those words and was going to eventually ask about that.)
 * In actuality, I think it's the instances of words like /bed/ where I would have expected /ɛ/. Actually, I had thought only dialects of Northern England and Scotland would use /e/ in such a situation. Tharthan (talk) 12:58, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Categories for rhymes
I think Grease pit/2013/December could benefit from your input. 18:08, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Slovincian
WT:LANGTREAT doesn't mention Slovincian. I was wondering whether we made the decision not to treat it as a dialect of Kashubian, or whether it just happened that way. I have no preference one way or the other, since I don't know much about it anyway. --WikiTiki89 16:04, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * It looks like it just happened that way. I mean, both Slovincian and Pomeranian have exceptional codes, so someone made the conscious decision to treat them, Kashubian, and Polish as distinct from each other. But both codes were created by the same user who also created separate exceptional codes for the Pitcairn and the Norfolk varieties of Pitcairn-Norfolk, which subsequent discussions all agreed to re-merge, so it's possible (and indeed, apparently the case) that it was just that one use who got the idea that they should be split. There does not seem to have been any community discussion of Slovencian, Kashubian or Pomeranian, but About Slovincian has been created. I have updated LANGTREAT to note that "in practice,..." they are currently distinct. - -sche (discuss) 18:50, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Babel-autocreate-text-main
Can you rewrite it as:

This is probably what was troubling the constant recreation of Category:$1 language because it appears nonempty in Special:Categories. TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 11:52, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

 * ✅; thanks for pointing that out! - -sche (discuss) 22:47, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Removing scripts
Some entries may specify a script with  even if no language has that script specified. When you remove the scripts, those entries will eventually trigger script errors. 14:44, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I checked for such entries. When they existed, I added the script code to the relevant language code rather than removing it. - -sche (discuss) 20:06, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Dard etymology
I thought it was a bit odd to offload this to the talk page. As with any part of an entry, we sometimes have incomplete data that needs further massaging. In this case I imagine I had copied the root word(s) from Wikipedia. I'm doing it again right now with kachori; surely it's better to have something than nothing, and to put it in the right place where it will be seen? Equinox ◑ 23:27, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * On kachori, the etymology gives several words in specific languages, which it implies are etyma. (I say "implies" because it doesn't say "from Hindi..." so they might be cognates.) That's not problematic. On Dard, the "etymology" consisted of dard spelled in two different scripts, each of which is used by numerous (sometimes unrelated) languages... that's not helpful, IMO, because it's not even verifiable/falsifiable. Is the implication that Dard derives from Sanskrit, which is written in Devanagari? Modern Hindi/Urdu, which is written in both scripts? Persian? Konkani? Talysh? Or that it's cognate or related to a word in those languages? - -sche (discuss) 02:36, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I've re-added it, but with languages specified. (Can't be sure it's from either the Hind or the Persian word, but it's clearly related to them, so I've said that.) How's it look? - -sche (discuss) 02:50, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

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bonace

Etymology
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Noun

 * 1) calmness, tranquility especially before a storm or something of equal intensity

title: bonace


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ムーンルーフ

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) moonroof

title: ムーンルーフ


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Template talk:rfm

Request for move
These shouldn't be in the reserved 3-letter language code space (ISO could still assign them). We could move them to and  (though I doubt we need this last one as we should encourage the more specific ones). --Bequw → τ 02:14, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't disagree, but we also have, and . --Mglovesfun (talk) 10:16, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Some people thought those should be "grandfathered" in as they've been around for a while. Though I'd support moving them too. --Bequw → τ 01:30, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

and are identical AFAICT, in which case I suggest one be made a redirect to the other, though I don't care which. We can worry about the ISO codes if and when the time comes. These are not like (which we also dealt with when the time came), which is meant to be on many pages: these are on pagesonly temporarily, so there'll never be more then N of them for some number N. So I don't think we need to worry about ISO codes. —msh210℠ (talk) 02:13, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Not identical, we have, and , this template attempts to cover all three. NB, , . Mglovesfun (talk) 06:37, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

 * Because we are moving to use a module, rather than templates, to store language codes, there is no longer a danger that these templates will conflict with language codes. Thus, they shoudl be able to stay where they are. Cheers, - -sche (discuss) 17:20, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Language code for pages outside mainspace
It seems strange to me that this template requires a language code when it is meant to be used both in and out of mainspace. What would be the appropriate language code to give, for example, if an RFM were created for Concordances? Or Template:mention? Using mul (translingual) in all such cases feels to me like a clunky workaround rather than being useful. - excarnateSojourner (talk | contrib) 00:53, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, the documentation says to use . 70.172.194.25 00:55, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Not working as documented
The target ("move-to") doesn't appear if specified in section= or fragment= and doesn't appear if they are not specified. DCDuring (talk) 18:37, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

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Template talk:acu

Achuar-Shiwiar
I propose we change from "Achuar-Shiwiar" to "Achuar", which seems to be a much more common name. - -sche (discuss) 00:07, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Alternatively, we could rename it "Shuar", which is also very commonly used as the name of the language. But the hyphenated form is rare, and many of the Google Books hits it gets are actually "Achuar (Shiwiar)". - -sche (discuss) 05:40, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I always assumed before I went to Latin America that the Achuar and the Shuar were the same ethnolinguistic group, but they're actually very different. In fact, the Shuar's traditional enemies are the Achaur and the sloths, both of which they used to headhunt extensively. Shuar is, so it cannot be renamed to that; Achuar is the best option. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 03:12, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Nice insight! I've renamed it accordingly. - -sche (discuss) 20:38, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

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Citations:brace oneself

 * 2013, Daniel Taylor, Rickie Lambert's debut goal gives England victory over Scotland (in The Guardian, 14 August 2013)
 * The Southampton striker, who also struck a post late on, was being serenaded by the Wembley crowd before the end and should probably brace himself for some Lambert-mania over the coming days but, amid the eulogies, it should not overlook the deficiencies that were evident in another stodgy England performance.

title: Citations:brace oneself


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Giardia lamblia

Etymology
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title: Giardia lamblia


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Template talk:alw

Alaba-K’abeena
I propose we change from "Alaba-K’abeena" to "Alaba", because "Alaba" meets CFI and "Alaba-K’abeena" doesn't. - -sche (discuss) 00:36, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 21:57, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

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on the flip side

Prepositional phrase

 * 1) On the other hand; conversely.

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Talk:broaden someone's horizons

broaden one's horizons
Move to broaden someone's horizons.

The reflexive use is not distinct AFAICT. DCDuring TALK 11:35, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, it can be one's own horizons, but not always. Move per nom. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:52, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Move per nom. I actually think the reflexive use should have its own sense line or subsense line — "I want to broaden my horizons by reading more" and "Reading more has broadened my horizons" are arranging the arguments in two very different ways — but putting it on a separate page would exaggerate and (paradoxically!) obscure the reality of the difference. —Ruakh TALK 15:51, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I have long wondered about verb-centered idioms that have both reflexive and non-reflexive uses. Separating them by the difference between "one's" (indicating reflexive-only) and "someone's" (indicating ?) seems to place an unrealistic burden on the user, which is only partly mitigated by "Related terms" links between the two. (I don't think "Alternative forms" is accurate, but I might be wrong.) Thoughts? DCDuring TALK 18:46, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I wonder about even three "senses": reflexive, person-as-subject, object-as-subject. DCDuring TALK 18:50, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Moved; kept redirect. —msh210℠ (talk) 17:22, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

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earn one's crust

Verb

 * 1)  To earn money, to do something as a job.

title: earn one's crust


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Template talk:zh topic cat parents

RFM
Should this be renamed without "zh"? Though it doesn't seem to be used. DCDuring TALK 15:39, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I've asked the template's creator if it's needed at all. I have no idea what it does. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:41, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I would just delete this if I wasn't scared it might actually have a function, somehow. --Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 05:40, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * How can it have a function if it has no transclusions or redirects and the only link to it is the one in the header above? --WikiTiki89 (talk) 08:48, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

 * Deleted. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 22:04, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

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Category talk:Chinese by difficulty level

RFM
To Category:Mandarin by difficulty level. Only contains Mandarin, there aren't any parallel categories for Cantonese, Wu, Min-Nan and so on, so even keep this as a parent category seems like a bad idea, as it would only contain one category. Mglovesfun (talk) 09:04, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if you're culprit, but all this re-categorising has left many of the categories a total mess. Look at the sorting at Category:cmn:Intermediate_Mandarin_in_traditional_script. The category is now half sorted by pinyin and half sorted by stroke. Blergh. ---> Tooironic (talk) 22:52, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * "Left many of the categories a total mess" would imply they weren't a total mess in the first place. And actually no, the bot preserved the sort keys for the categories, so I assume they were just a mess in the first place. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:09, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No. Move to Category:Mandarin by proficiency level. difficulty level is video game terminology. -- Liliana • 09:43, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Good point; I don't know if difficulty level is a recognized English term for whatever the native speakers call if. If not, you're right. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:09, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I support moving it to 'Mandarin by proficiency level'. 19:12, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Support (let's do this thing). Mglovesfun (talk) 18:50, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

 * ✅ —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 22:06, 14 August 2013 (UTC)


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hjartalækni

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) cardiologist

title: hjartalækni


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bonnasse

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  a hottie, a bombshell, a stunna

title: bonnasse


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Category talk:en:Ordinal numbers

RFM
Why is this a topical category? It seems to me that it is mostly a homogeneous syntactic category. DCDuring TALK 20:35, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose the move. The members of the category act as adjectives. What makes them ordinal numbers is their semantics. For context, "It has been requested that this category be moved to English ordinal numbers". --Dan Polansky (talk) 20:40, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Wasn't Category:English ordinal numbers vote approved in the first place, then deleted by CodeCat without a vote (but with discussion, I may add). Mglovesfun (talk) 08:28, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Where was it approved? Did we make a blanket approval to regard "ordinal number" as a part of speech?  It isn't so in any language that I know of. --EncycloPetey (talk) 05:30, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

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Category talk:Old Prussian deities

RFM
This is a topical category so it should probably be renamed to reflect the normal category structure. But what should it be called? 16:49, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't rename it. Add and create Category:prg:Old Prussian deities to replace the current uses. Chuck Entz (talk) 17:01, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

 * Actually, the lot of 'em, and most of the Old Prussian entries we have, should be taken out of the main namespace and appendicised because they're reconstructions. (But, as with Proto-Norse and some of the other old Germanic languages, some of the words are attested and should stay in the main namespace.) Liliana has pointed that out before, including once further up this page, but no-one has mustered the energy to do it yet. I'm feeling energetic today, I suppose I'll do it. (I suppose the categories still need to be fixed, though, because we do seem to categorise reconstructed terms...?) - -sche (discuss) 17:07, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * My point was that these deities are talked/written about in English and other languages, and so may have passed into the lexicon in at least some of those languages. If so, we would need categories for those terms. Chuck Entz (talk) 17:32, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * As long as we're putting only Old Prussian words into the category, rename it Category:prg:Gods, a subcategory of Category:Gods. If attested, the Old Prussian names for Zeus, Mercury, Vishnu and Kāne can be included there too. —Angr 18:01, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

 * Moved. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 22:11, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

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Template talk:slim-wikipedia

RFM
These two templates serve the same purpose, only the appearance differs. It doesn't really make much sense that some entries use one and some use the other, that is really the personal preference of the editors. So I think that there should be only one template, but users should be able to customise the appearance so that it looks like either the full version or the slim version as they prefer. 22:10, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree. - -sche (discuss) 22:55, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. adds an unnecessary amount of clutter to the page.  does the same job, without the unnecessary image, without the unnecessarily detailed (and sometimes incorrect) text, and wasting less vertical space. — Ungoliant (Falai) 23:00, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you completely missed the point... 23:01, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * How so? I support merging the two, but the other way around. Even if it’s customisable, there must be a default. — Ungoliant (Falai) 23:14, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * More pages currently use, so that is the more obvious default. If that should change, that should be discussed separately. 23:18, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose merger. The slim-vs.-fat preference is not merely personal: it depends also on the particular entry. Specifically, an editor who normally uses the fat version may well use the slim one on an entry that has other floating boxes (images, primarily). So it'suseful to have both templates. —msh210℠ (talk) 17:08, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

 * Not merged. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 22:12, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

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Template talk:interwiki redirect

RFM
Redirect to template:softredirect (or vice versa). No need for two templates that serve precisely the same purpose with different display, where the purpose is not Wiktionary-related (this template is currently used only for userpages). —msh210℠ (talk) 17:03, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Redirected. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 22:15, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

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Template talk:aus-gun

Template:aus-gun and Template:etyl:aus-gun
One is a language, the other is a family, but they share the same code. This causes a conflict, so one of them needs to be renamed. 12:24, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * There doesn't seem to be any difference between the Gunai language and the Kurnai language, so why not merge to ? —Angr 12:35, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * That's the ticket. And Kurnai seems to be more common as a name for the language than Gunai, although the language is rarely mentioned under any name. - -sche (discuss) 19:36, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * is a new code, created in 2013. Before, it made sense to use due to a lack of alternatives, but now, it makes very much sense to merge the two. And that's what I will be doing now. -- Liliana • 16:43, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

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Template talk:asph

Template:asph, Template:dualh, Template:muteh
These templates are used only for French, so I think they should be named Template:fr-asph, Template:fr-dualh, Template:fr-muteh. 20:29, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * No argument here. Mglovesfun (talk) 14:32, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Moved. I deleted the redirect for Template:dualh but the other two still have redirects that may need to be orphaned at some point. 16:13, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

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Template talk:dualh

Template:asph, Template:dualh, Template:muteh
These templates are used only for French, so I think they should be named Template:fr-asph, Template:fr-dualh, Template:fr-muteh. 20:29, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * No argument here. Mglovesfun (talk) 14:32, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Moved. I deleted the redirect for Template:dualh but the other two still have redirects that may need to be orphaned at some point. 16:13, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

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Template talk:muteh

Template:asph, Template:dualh, Template:muteh
These templates are used only for French, so I think they should be named Template:fr-asph, Template:fr-dualh, Template:fr-muteh. 20:29, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * No argument here. Mglovesfun (talk) 14:32, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Moved. I deleted the redirect for Template:dualh but the other two still have redirects that may need to be orphaned at some point. 16:13, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

title: Template talk:muteh


text:
húðlækni

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) dermatologist

title: húðlækni


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sporozoïte

Noun

 * 1)  sporozoite

title: sporozoïte


text: sporozoïtes

title: sporozoïtes


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Aronia arbutifolia

Proper noun

 * 1)  (red chokeberry).

title: Aronia arbutifolia


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Reconstruction:Proto-Siouan-Catawban/wi-

Etymology
Compare Yuchi we-.

Descendants

 * (whence Lakota )


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Template talk:aus-wem

Template:aus-wem and other things → Template:xww
The extinct language Wemba-Wemba now has an ISO code which uses of aus-wem should be switched to. But xww isn't the only Wemba-Wemba code: the ISO also recently added (Baraba-Baraba) and  (Nari-Nari), though we haven't added those yet; and  and  already existed. Of those four codes, I think should stay red: Ian Clark, who wrote the Dictionaries of Aboriginal Placenames, considers Baraba-Baraba and Wemba-Wemba "more or less identical languages". And I move to merge into xww: Paul Carter, in Ground Truthing: Explorations in a Creative Region, writes that "the Wergaia and Wemba Wemba languages share ninety per cent of their lexicon". What of rnr and xwt? Australian Languages: Classification and the Comparative Method gives a few samples of Wemba-Wemba compared to Nari-Nari, e.g. WW "midh[v]g" to NN "midhag" (rain, from a root meaning cold). - -sche (discuss) 06:56, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

 * I've switched all aus-wem and weg entries to xww, left rbp a redlink, and left rnr and wxt untouched for now. - -sche (discuss) 16:20, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

title: Template talk:aus-wem


text: Category:Proto-Siouan-Catawban prefixes

title: Category:Proto-Siouan-Catawban prefixes


text: Category:Proto-Siouan-Catawban morphemes


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Template talk:aus-dar

Template:aus-dar→Template:xda
...now has an ISO code, Template:xda. Uses of aus-dar should be switched to xda. As for what to call the language: "Darkinjung" seems somewhat more common than "Darkinyung". - -sche (discuss) 06:56, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Support as Darkinjung, which seems to be the usual form I've seen in linguistic literature. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 21:37, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Stephen has renamed xda, and I'm updating pages that used aus-dar to use xda. - -sche (discuss) 17:14, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

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Template talk:kmc

RFM
CodeCat deleted ("Northern Dong") last year, noting "this code is currently broken because there are so many subtemplates named /doc, might as well delete it". It's also linguistically sound to consider Northern Dong and, "Southern Dong", dialects of the same language. In recognition of that, we should drop "Southern" from and just call it "Dong". (Some very recent research also subsumes Cao Miao into Dong, which is sometimes called Kam, but there's enough uncertainty that I think it best to let  remain separate for now.) - -sche (discuss) 03:48, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. - -sche (discuss) 01:22, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

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Template talk:xjt

Template:xjt, Template:ddr
First problem: nobody but the ISO spells "Yaitmathang" as *"Jaimatang". Seriously, Google it. Second problem: "Yaitmathang" and "Dhudhuroa" are, as the Handbook of Aboriginal languages of New South Wales and the Australian Capital Territory notes, names for the same extinct Victorian Alpine language. I suggest we merge them by deleting. - -sche (discuss) 01:02, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Hold on... did ISO really approve the same language twice? Oh my god. -- Liliana • 21:32, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

 * Merged. - -sche (discuss) 22:02, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:straight marriage

straight marriage
RFV of both senses. I expect the first sense is attested and is, though SOP, as entry-(un)worthy as same-sex marriage (see the RFD discussion). The second sense includes polygamous unions; if it's attested, the senses should be combined, but I expect the sort of people who use the term "straight marriage" only use it of two-person marriages. - -sche (discuss) 06:09, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * OTOH, it may be difficult to tell how many people are include/excluded. Perhaps both "straight marriage" and "gay marriage"/"same-sex marriage" should be reworded two "A marriage between (usually two) people of ...". - -sche (discuss) 06:18, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Failed. Replaced entry with and citations moved to Citations:straight marriage. — Ungoliant (Falai) 20:24, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

title: Talk:straight marriage


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trophozoïte

Noun

 * 1)  trophozoite

title: trophozoïte


text: trophozoïtes

title: trophozoïtes


text: Category:Proto-Siouan-Catawban language

title: Category:Proto-Siouan-Catawban language


text: guarda-chuvas

title: guarda-chuvas


text: Category:Turkish reference templates

title: Category:Turkish reference templates


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mérozoïte

Noun

 * 1)  merozoite

title: mérozoïte


text: mérozoïtes

title: mérozoïtes


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rhizopode

Noun

 * 1)  rhizopod

title: rhizopode


text: rhizopodes

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mais où est donc Ornicar

Etymology
Phonetic representation of the words, , , , , , and.

Phrase

 * 1)  a mnemonic phrase to help remember the seven coordinating conjunctions in French

title: mais où est donc Ornicar


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chlorarachniophyte

Noun

 * 1) Any of a group of mixotrophic algae found in tropical oceans.

title: chlorarachniophyte


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mixotrophie

Noun

 * 1)  mixotrophy

title: mixotrophie


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mixotrophique

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) mixotrophic

title: mixotrophique


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hétérotrophie

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  heterotrophy

title: hétérotrophie


text:
hétérotrophique

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) heterotrophic

title: hétérotrophique


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autotrophie

Noun

 * 1)  autotrophy

title: autotrophie


text:
autotrophique

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) autotrophic

title: autotrophique


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commensalisme

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) commensalism

title: commensalisme


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holothurie

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  holothurian, sea cucumber

title: holothurie


text: holothuries

title: holothuries


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насквозь

Adverb

 * 1) all the way through, throughout, completely

title: насквозь


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Talk:paracosmos

paracosmos
Any takers? Quote needs formatting if OK. SemperBlotto (talk) 08:14, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Cited under a different definition. The original quote didn't turn up anything on Google Books or Google. Astral (talk) 12:54, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Closed as dealt with. If Astral can’t find citations, no one can. — Ungoliant (Falai) 18:22, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:backcheck

backcheck
Rfv-sense: "To rush back to the defensive zone to defend against the other team's attack" Sole existing sense.

I thought that there was always contact or threat of contact with an opposing player or the puck. I thought of this as attempting to check a skater with the puck from behind. DCDuring TALK 21:56, 23 December 2012 (UTC) I can't find a citation that specifies the details of the challenged definition; I have deleted it, and redistributed the citations to the other definitions based on their transitivity. Whether this can be improved further is not an RfV matter. Cheers! bd2412 T 02:32, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I've added some citations of use, but the definition could be made a little more formal. bd2412 T 13:25, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I've taken a run at definitions, but I'm not enough of a hockey fan to know. Other dictionaries are not too much help.  The citations are for both transitive (2) and intransitive use (2) so the challenged intransitive sense is short of citations.  We'd be better off to delete the existing definition and insert rfdef than to keep this, or even my newly inserted definitions. DCDuring TALK  23:12, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

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Template:Theaceae Hypernyms

 * Theaceae - family

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text: fur burgers

title: fur burgers


text: photobooth

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Talk:arbuto

arbuto
Ido. I suspect this is incorrect, and that it actually denotes the strawberry tree, but that's assuming it's citeable. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 18:02, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Striking as unverified; Ido section removed from the entry for lack of support after seven months here. bd2412 T 19:44, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

title: Talk:arbuto


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Talk:Adam-teasing

Adam teasing
Appears to be a protologism. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 07:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I can find a BGC cite dated 2002, although it's hyphenated as "Adam-teasing". --EncycloPetey (talk) 07:48, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Now cited. --EncycloPetey (talk) 08:01, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Two out of your three cites use the hyphen. I think the alternate forms are OK as cites, but it appears the hyphen is more common, so we should move the entry to Adam-teasing. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 18:49, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think we can make a call of "more common" on the basis of just three cites. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:33, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * RFV-passed, moved to "Adam-teasing". The hyphenated form is more common, even if only by one citation. - -sche (discuss) 01:27, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Deseret

Deseret
RFV-sense "Mormon name for honeybee". I'm guessing it's not a proper noun even if it is attested, and I'm curious whether it's capitalized or not. - -sche (discuss) 02:29, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Technically, it's in the Mormon language, which is a conlang not approved in the mainspace. That said, it has been borrowed into English in lowercase to mean the honeybee in the Book of Mormon, so that's one cite. Is this book (which incidentally quotes the use of the term in the Book of Mormon) a use when it says "So just what is a deseret anyway"? —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 03:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Is Book of Mormon a well-known work? — Ungoliant (Falai) 03:45, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, but it immediately defines what it means by "deseret", so by the spirit of the law, it shouldn't count IMO. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 03:51, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I just checked four editions of the Book of Mormon: one from 1840 and one from 2004 use "deseret", one from 1852 and one from 1881 do use "Deseret". None put the term in italics, though only the 2004 one uses italics anywhere. That a definition immediately follows doesn't necessarily disqualify the use; WT:CFI explicitly calls “They raised the jib (a small sail forward of the mainsail) in order to get the most out of the light wind,” a "fine" use. - -sche (discuss) 04:17, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying that the Book of Mormon isn't a use. I'm saying that because it defines the term, it quite possibly doesn't deserve to be considered a well-known work (IMO the criterion was put in for rare terms in widely read texts that people might look up in confusion). —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 20:18, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Funny, I thought the Book of Mormon was written in English, not Mormon. The "Mormon language" is just American English with a few variations, Deseret being one of them  Purplebackpack89  (Notes Taken) (Locker) 20:47, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * If it is English, then why does the given citation say that Deseret is "by interpretation" a honeybee? By interpretation from what language? Equinox ◑ 20:49, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The Book of Mormon is indeed in English, but deseret is given as the word for honeybee in the language of the Jaredites. Non-Mormons would say it's a word belonging to a conlan peculiar to a single fictional universe. Mormons would say that it's a mention of a foreign-language word, just like all the Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic words and phrases mentioned in the Bible. Or are you suggesting that "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani" is English by virtue of being in the King James Version of the New Testament? Chuck Entz (talk) 01:55, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * There is a refutable presumption that terms which appear in (e.g.) English-language texts are English. You can refute this presumption by showing that the term is a term in another language and not in English. Wiktionary's structure is such that doing only the second half of that, i.e. showing that the term is not a term in English, is not possible: pages must have language statements.
 * The Book of Mormon is an English-language text; it uses the term "deseret"/"Deseret". Wiktionary does not recognise Jaredite as a language and grant it a code or a header, so "deseret"/"Deseret" cannot have the language statement ==Jaredite==. It has not been (and, I believe, cannot be) shown to deserve any header other than ==Jaredite== or ==English==. Ergo, it must be ==English==. Compare ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn#English.
 * As EP suggested regarding that entry, perhaps "we should explain with Usage notes that the phrase appears in English fiction, and so is technically English, but is intended to represent" Jaredite. (But as demonstrated in the preceding paragraphs, it cannot be ==Jaredite==.)
 * Note that it is possible to make an end run around this logic, and do away with the mainspace entries for ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn and the BOM citation of deseret/Deseret, by approving Jaredite and Cthulhuese as appendix-only or even main-namespace constructed languages. It would then still remain to be seen if "deseret"/"Deseret" is used in any English-language texts, in which case it could still be English (like "à la", etc). - -sche (discuss) 21:03, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd keep this based on use in the Book of Mormon. It's as English is padawan. bd2412 T 01:05, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

I am closing this as verified based on its use in a well-known work, the Book of Mormon. Whether it should be deleted despite that would be an RfD matter. bd2412 T 23:38, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

RFV discussion: August–October 2015
Rfv-sense (Mormonism) honeybee. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 16:41, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This passed RFV before on the basis that it occurs in a well-known work. — Ungoliant (falai) 16:43, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Since that's no longer valid, its status is that it has one supporting quotation and requires two more. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 16:48, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That damn vote passed?! I need to start paying more attention to things. — Ungoliant (falai) 16:54, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * , could you link Ungoliant and me to said vote? Pur ple back pack 89  17:05, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Here you go. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 17:08, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * There needs to be some sort of system to notify active editors about major policy change proposals. Because, as seems to be the case here, a major policy change proposal flew under a lot of users' radars, and thus the outcome of the vote may very well be a product of said lack of awareness rather than genuine community consensus. -Cloudcuckoolander (talk) 21:15, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Such changes should indeed be added to WT:N4E. But active users who care about policy are generally expected to frequent the BP, where all such votes are advertised. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 21:22, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Users can watchlist WT:VOTE to be notified of votes, or can frequent the WT:BP, where votes are advertised. If people can't be arsed to watchlist at least one of those pages, I expect they probably tune out WT:N4E and would tune out even a more invasive/harassing system, like posting talk page messages about every new vote or new policy vote (compare how much of my Wikipedia talk page consists of Signpost notices I usually don't read). - -sche (discuss) 22:30, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) I was thinking of something more along the lines of posting notices on user talk pages. The most effective way to get the word out about upcoming votes in real life is probably to directly contact potential voters. I get mailed a notice every time there's going to be a federal election. Elections Canada doesn't just post mass notices on community bulletin boards and in newspapers. People naturally filter out information when they're being hit with a lot of it at once, and thus it's easy for relevant messages to get lost among all the noise. "News for Editors" is mostly used for technical updates, and not everyone regularly frequents BP. Nor should they be expected to, frankly. -Cloudcuckoolander (talk) 22:42, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * @Cloudcuckoolander: About notification of policy change proposals: they are all listed at WT:VOTE. They must be. The votes last at least one month. Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2014-03/CFI: Removing usage in a well-known work 3 lasted from 23 March 2014 to 24 Jul 2014 and was actually closed only on 17 August 2014, which was about 5 months later. To make sure you do not miss a policy change proposal, check WT:VOTE once a month and you should be safe. WT:VOTE hardly ever has more than 10 items listed, so it is easy to overview and keep an eye on. Yes, people should not need to frequent BP, only WT:VOTE. --Dan Polansky (talk) 08:00, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

 * Searching for the plural, I find one citation where it's clearly a typo for "deserts", and one where it's probably a typo for "deserts": Citations:deseret. - -sche (discuss) 17:16, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I found two citations which attribute the meaning "honeybee" to it, but they're both really mention-y and explicit about the fact that they're quoting the Book of Mormon. (Also, all of the citations, including the one in Deseret, are lowercase.) - -sche (discuss) 01:47, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

 * From what I can see, even the quote from the Book of Mormon doesn't cite deseret as an English word - it just gives a word in a non-English language and immediately glosses it (whether or not the language was invented by Smith seems immaterial here, per Talk:ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn). You might as well say that the Vonnegut quote "Their address was this: "Schlachthof-fünf." Schlachthof meant slaughterhouse." is a valid citation of Schlachthof. Smurrayinchester (talk) 08:30, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

 * The etymology of this word was discussed on The History Channel videodocumentary series How the States Got Their Shapes (Season 1). That is an additional source.  Nicole Sharp (talk) 05:34, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

 * The common noun sense "honeybee" fails RFV. The only citation (for the wrong caps) was ;

 * 1830, Ether 2:3 (Book of Mormon)
 * And they did also carry with them deseret, which, by interpretation, is a honey bee; and thus they did carry with them swarms of bees, and all manner of that which was upon the face of the land, seeds of every kind.
 * - -sche (discuss) 20:49, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:timoniser

timoniser
In Timonize, you can read: French: timoniser (regular), Timoniser (rare). Verbs are not capitalized in French. But, anyway, does this verb exist? Lmaltier (talk) 22:16, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Absent any objection, I will close this tomorrow as failed for lack for verification. Cheers! bd2412 T 13:11, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Deleted for lack of verification. bd2412 T 20:17, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

 * Now who's going to delete all the inflected forms? SemperBlotto (talk) 16:40, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. - -sche (discuss) 18:16, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

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drug addiction

Noun

 * 1) Dependency on drugs, especially which are illegal or improperly procured.

Translations

 * Albanian:, toksikomaní, drogamaní
 * Armenian:
 * Azerbaijani: narkomaniya
 * Belarusian: наркама́нія, нарказале́жнасць
 * Bulgarian:
 * Catalan:, ,
 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin: 藥物成癮,
 * Czech: drogová závislost, narkomanie
 * Danish: narkomani, stofmisbrug, afhængighed af narkotika
 * Estonian: narkomaania, sõltuvus
 * Finnish:, huumeisuus
 * French:
 * Georgian: ნარკომანია
 * German: ,
 * Hungarian: ,
 * Irish: andúil i ndrugaí
 * Japanese: 薬物嗜癖
 * Latvian: narkomānija
 * Lithuanian: narkomanija
 * Macedonian: наркома́нија
 * Norwegian:
 * Bokmål: narkomani, narkotikaavhengighet
 * Polish:
 * Portuguese: drogadição
 * Romanian:
 * Russian: ,
 * Serbo-Croatian:
 * Cyrillic: наркома̀нија
 * Roman:
 * Slovak: drogová závislosť
 * Spanish: ,
 * Swahili: uraibu wa dawa za kulevya
 * Ukrainian: наркома́нія, наркозале́жність

title: drug addiction