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Talk:lead poisoning

lead poisoning
Change to an &lit. It's poisoning by means of lead. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 18:09, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I disagree. It is my thumbnail understanding that "lead poisoning" refers to poisoning by incidental absorption through the skin. If you decide to do away with your evil twin by mixing lead into their tea, they may be poisoned by it, but this would not be "lead poisoning" as it is traditionally used. Consider:
 * 2005, John Emsley, The Elements of Murder: A History of Poison, page 317:
 * Specht and Fischer deduced that Clement had been fatally poisoned with lead and that this had been taken repeatedly and over a period of time. They concluded that his remains revealed a pattern of lead poisoning similar to those who had been exposed to lead as a result of their occupation and who had died of this cause.
 * Cheers! bd2412 T 18:33, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete, simple enough. Mglovesfun (talk) 19:15, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * "...poisoned with lead...revealed a pattern of lead poisoning..." seems to me to be evidence for exactly the opposite case that BD2412 is trying to make. Spinning Spark  23:12, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The book is about murders committed with poison. In context, the passage is about how researchers knew that Clement had died of from exposure to lead because he had symptoms similar to those of crafstman who worked with lead (i.e. had actual "lead poisoning"), and concluded from those symptoms that Clement had been poisoned with lead - much like finding that someone had died from burns (the symptom, which might be found on people who work in fire pits and boiler rooms and get burned incidentally) and concluding that this particular subject had been murdered by intentionally being set on fire. bd2412 T 00:41, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * There are two definitions of poisoning. "The administration of a poison" is what you're focusing on as the SOP meaning, but "The state of being poisoned", works just fine for the common usage. Lead poisoning is a condition or syndrome that is the result of too much lead in one's body- how it got there is irrelevant. For instance, if children eat chips of lead-based paint, they get lead poisoning. If someone is shot and the bullet isn't removed, they're at risk for lead poisoning. "Poisoning by incidental absorption through the skin" isn't part of the definition. In fact, one could say "this particular case of lead poisoning was no accident- someone deliberately poisoned him with lead." It seems to me a matter of whether the fact that only one definition of a component contributes to the default meaning is enough to establish idiomaticity. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:26, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Point taken. Delete. bd2412 T 13:20, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * There are no non-literal senses in the entry, and it's not a translations target, since plumbism hosts the translations... so if it's decided that any poisoning by lead is lead poisoning, the thing to do would seem to be delete the entry, rather than make it an . - -sche (discuss) 00:16, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

 * @-sche: There was a non-literal sense when I nominated it. Semper deleted it out of process and I reverted him. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 02:20, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I removed the context from that sense, because I don't think it's correct. I have heard or seen that figure of speech in fiction, so it may be that the contributor saw it in some western and assumed that was the context. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:04, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * For some reason or other many lexicographers find this worth including, including Merriam-Webster, usually fairly picky about excluding MWEs. See . DCDuring TALK 17:19, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The Merriam-Webster definition is quite specific, too. bd2412 T 13:15, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

 * Keep per lemmings, so per DCDuring. In general, I find a replacement with &lit is rarely an improvement. Furthermore, I find it of interest that there are various curious terms apparently denoting the condition: plumbism, Devon colic, lead colic, painter's colic, saturnism. As per, "lead poisoning" is most common by far. The existence of dedicated terms suggests the users of the term think of this condition as a specific thing. I am actually not sure all of these are synonyms rather than symptoms, but "plumbism" should be a synonym per oxforddictionaries.com, Collins and Merriam-Webster online, saturnism per AHD and Collins. --Dan Polansky (talk) 19:59, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. It is too useful not to keep. Ready Steady Yeti (talk) 20:29, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Kept. bd2412 T 17:57, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

title: Talk:lead poisoning


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πηδάω

Etymology
Deverbative or denominative formation on the basis of a form, which could be lengthened grade of.

Verb

 * 1) to leap, spring, jump
 * 2) to stamp with the feet
 * 3)  to leap, throb
 * 1)  to leap, throb

Etymology
From or.

Verb

 * 1)  to jump, leap all senses
 * 2)  to fuck, screw, shag, bang have sexual intercourse
 * 3)  to skip over, omit in writing, etc, due to time constraint
 * 4)  to skip, jump ahead a class or level in school due to exceptional ability
 * 1)  to skip over, omit in writing, etc, due to time constraint
 * 2)  to skip, jump ahead a class or level in school due to exceptional ability
 * 1)  to skip, jump ahead a class or level in school due to exceptional ability

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title: πηδάω


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خشاب

Etymology
from the root.

Noun

 * 1) woodcutter
 * 2) wood seller

Noun

 * 1) magazine, ammunition clip

title: خشاب


text: πηδώ

title: πηδώ


text: πήδηξα

title: πήδηξα


text: πήδησα

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syllabaric

Adjective

 * 1)  Of, relating to or being a syllabary.

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πηδιέμαι

Verb

 * 1) to be leaped, to be skipped
 * 2) to fuck

title: πηδιέμαι


text: πηδήχτηκα

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User talk:Botomatik

WT:BOT
Please be aware of WT:BOT: "do a test run (under the bot account) on some 10-50 entries until you’re certain everything goes well (bots with a single function, like interwiki, should not run more than 25 edits )." Renard Migrant (talk) 14:59, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. — Automatik (talk) 20:35, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

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داروساز

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) pharmacist

title: داروساز


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داروسازی

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) pharmaceutics, pharmacy (science of medicinal substances)

title: داروسازی


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پنکه

Etymology
, ultimately from.

Noun

 * 1) fan (electrical device)

title: پنکه


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ملافه

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) bedsheet

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nimy

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) mute, dumb not having the power of speech

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text: Category:Faroese terms suffixed with -d

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hagelslag

Etymology
From. Equivalent to. As a term for a type of sweet, it originally referred to elongated white aniseed sprinkles as they were thought to resemble falling hail; this sense was subsequently widened as other varieties entered the market.

Noun

 * 1) hundreds and thousands, sprinkles ; jimmies
 * 2) hailstorm, particularly a severe one
 * 1) hailstorm, particularly a severe one

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Knickerbocker Glory

Etymology
. Possibly originated in reference to Knickerbocker as a generic term for New Yorkers or from the in the city.

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text: Knickerbocker Glories

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idiotopo

Noun

 * 1)  idiotope

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paratopo

Noun

 * 1)  paratope

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Knickerbocker

Etymology
From, the pseudonym adopted by for his 1809 , probably for the Knickerbackers of Schaghticoke, New York, descended from the Dutch immigrant Harmen Jansen van Bommel(l), who went variously by the names van Wy(y)e, van Wyekycback(e), Kinnekerbacker, Knickelbacker, Knickerbacker, Kinckerbacker, Nyckbacker, and Kynckbacker. The surname is of uncertain etymology, being variously explained as a corruption of Wyekycback, +, , or  + ,.

Noun

 * 1)  A New Yorker, particularly a scion of its old Dutch families
 * 2)  A player for the New York Knicks
 * 3)  A player for the New York Knickerbockers

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Knickerbockers

Etymology
See.

Noun

 * 1)  ; New Yorkers, particularly descendants of its original Dutch settlers
 * 2)  The formal name of the New York Knicks, a team in the National Basketball Association
 * 3)  A short-lived 19th-century baseball team in New York

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Talk:univalent

Could you add the math sense? I can't tell from Univalent function whether it's "(of a holomorphic function on an open subset of the complex plane) Injective", or "(of a function on an open subset of the complex plane) Holomorphic and injective", or "(of a function) Holomorphic, injective, and having an open subset of the complex plane as its domain", or maybe something else entirely.

Thanks in advance!

—Ruakh TALK 08:17, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

 * And what is the difference between the three? Because it does not seem to be a mathematical one. — Keφr 09:24, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Note that this is not necessarily a firm distinction, and it's possible that more than one of these definitions would work (though one may still be more natural than the others). —Ruakh TALK 15:15, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The difference is between presupposition and entailment. For example, can someone say “We seek to prove that this function is not univalent. We will do this by proving the stronger statement that the function is not holomorphic”? Or does the mere fact of saying “We seek to prove that this function is not univalent” already presuppose that the function is holomorphic?
 * I think I got it. So I guess the question is whether saying things like "this function is injective but not univalent, because it is not holomorphic" makes so-called sense. And I think it sounds rather silly. When someone states they want to disprove that a function is univalent, then I guess it would be the case that they want to disprove that it is injective, while its holomorphicity and the domain over which it is considered have already been established. But of course, context could show otherwise. However, functions can be considered holomorphic over subsets of their domains, and I could expect could be used similarly. (I have never actually seen this term used at all however, despite having taken a complex analysis course.) — Keφr 16:54, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I last looked at complex analysis when I took the qual course in, um, 2000–01 or '01–'02, and don't remember. I note that WP has, in its first sentence, your first possibility, but you've probably seen that already. I don't have time now, but will look at bgc when I do, . —msh210℠ 21:25, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It's not urgent; I just noticed the gap when I came across the Wikipedia article while trying to determine if the word had a linguistics sense “having only one meaning”. (And funnily enough, I guess that technically means I've looked at complex analysis more recently than you. But not as would count: I dropped the course within the drop/add period. It's the closest I came to taking a math class in college. :-P  ) —Ruakh TALK 23:38, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Unusual choice for the only math class to take in college. Usually it has prereqs like, I don't know, integral calculus at the least; though I guess integral calculus can be taken AP also. (Adverbial AP, I guess. ) My previous "I don't have time now, but will look at bgc…" stands. —msh210℠  03:36, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I was lucky enough to be able to take several years of college math during high school. (For some unfathomable reason, my parents and sister were willing to take turns driving me from high school to the local university, where my parents teach, almost every day. In retrospect I don't think I appreciated it enough. Mental note: I should thank them. And my school system paid a good chunk of the tuition, which I know that many schools don't do.) I got up to the first-year-graduate-student level in some areas (topology, real analysis), though obviously with some undergraduate-level gaps (modern algebra, for example, was never offered at a time slot I could make). So when I actually went off to college (for engineering degrees), all my math requirements were covered by transfer credit — including whatever the prerequisites for complex analysis were, had I chosen to actually take it. —Ruakh TALK 07:04, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, a few data points. seems clearly to be including "holomorphic" in the definition of univalent. (Thurston does, too.)  uses analytic and univalent (note analytic=holomorphic for complex function), but I don't know that that means univalent doesn't include "analytic" in its definition: maybe it's a redundancy like meaning "not only analytic but univalent". But I tend to think that author means "analytic" is not in the definition of univalent. Similarly,  and  seem to use univalent to mean only "injective". That would make two senses. I would rather see them listed as one if there's a way to do so: perhaps with our friend the semicolon. Any thoughts? (Anyone?) (Meanwhile I've not edited the definition, though I have made some other, more minor edits to the entry.) —msh210℠  04:06, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, and I don't think "having an open subset of ℂ as its domain" is part of the definition, though I'm not sure why I say so. —msh210℠ 04:10, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your research. Re: "That would make two senses. I would rather see them listed as one": Me, too. —Ruakh TALK 07:06, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * In that case, I propose we change the current definition "(complex analysis) Of a holomorphic function: injective in a given open subset of its domain" to "(complex analysis) Holomorphic and injective" with a usage note "The term univalent is often used of holomorphic functions to mean 'injective', but also of functions generally to mean 'holomorphic and injective'". (That's per the above discussion, except that I also removed "in a given open subset of its domain" because uses I saw say things like univalent on D or univalent (i.e. everywhere in its domain), so "in a given open subset of its domain" is implied by context — I think.) Actually, now I'm thinking we should split it into two definition lines. I mean, if there's need for a usage note to say "It means '…' and '…'", doesn't that mean it has two senses? —msh210℠ 04:36, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It's up to you. I feel like it's pretty O.K. to write "(of an X Y) Z" even if it's sometimes used more like "(of a Y) X and Z"; the difference is minor, all things considered. Since it's a precise term of art, I thought that one definition might be unambiguously correct and the other one unambiguously wrong, in which case I'd obviously have preferred the correct one, but since that's not the case — meh. :-P  —Ruakh TALK 06:35, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I added "in a given open subset of its domain" precisely to note the usual implied context. But whatever. By the way, do we have a standardised way of adding "of a" labels? does not seem quite fitting here. — Keφr 06:50, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * We use /. There are even context ex-templates and  for ease of adding such context labels. (Those were more useful before we required explicitly calling context: then one could write  . But they're still useful.) —msh210℠  03:31, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, but say renders as (of a botany) because of our aliases setup. Never mind categorisation, which may or may not be desired here. I think "of a" labels should be separated from topical/lexical context labels. — Keφr 07:49, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, there've always been some redirects like that. One can deal with it, e.g. by using  when the categorization is desired and   when it's not. You may be right this should be adjusted; I suggest you bring your proposal to the BP. —msh210℠  08:45, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

I've just adjusted the entry per this discussion. See what you think and (natch) please re-edit as desired, user:Ruakh, user:Kephir, all. —msh210℠ 04:27, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks!  You know how you can write something like “a ± b ∓ c” to mean “either a + b − c or a − b + c”? It's too bad there's no corresponding way to indicate that the two parenthesized bits in your def are similarly complementary. But even without that, I find your presentation very appealing. —Ruakh TALK 05:19, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Knickerbocker

Online Etymology Dictionary
As is par for its course, the Online Etymology Dictionary entry here is off. Irving's correspondence shows he befriended Herman (whose name was spelled with an -a-) after the publication of his book. Instead, if it wasn't made whole cloth, it's more likely the lampoon was very loosely inspired by Herman's blowhard father before Irving met the family personally.

Their name has nothing to do with marbles. — LlywelynII  16:39, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

title: Talk:Knickerbocker


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sentire odore di bruciato

Verb

 * 1) to smell a rat

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niś

Etymology
From, from , from.

Noun

 * 1) thread long, thin and flexible form of material

title: niś


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User talk:Hadrian Ferran

Ready Steady Yeti (talk) 17:31, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

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text: njasom

title: njasom


text: njaso

title: njaso


text: njasu

title: njasu


text: njasł

title: njasł


text: njasośo

title: njasośo


text:
slock

Etymology 1
Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1)   A draught; a gulp.

Verb

 * 1)   To swallow, gulp.

Verb

 * 1)  To poach (a servant) from another household.

Etymology 3
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Noun

 * 1)   An improvised weapon consisting of a padlock placed in a sock, common in prison environments.

Verb

 * 1)  To strike with a slock.

Etymology 4
Coined or popularized by Tim Wells, who is widely known among hunters for this style of hunting.

Verb

 * 1)   To hunt (wild ) with  tools such as spears, blowguns, slingshots, arrows, crossbows, or others.

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semibyte

Noun

 * 1) nibble

title: semibyte


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comparand

Etymology
From ; synchronic analysis:.

Noun

 * 1)  A thing to which something is compared.

title: comparand


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sprizzare gioia da tutti i pori

Etymology
lit. 'to squirt joy from all [one's] pores'.

Verb

 * 1) to be high-spirited

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ውሻ

Etymology
Borrowed from, reanalysed as a singular.

Noun

 * 1) dog
 * 2) fourth stage of drunkenness, characterised by people howling like a dog

title: ውሻ


text:
ካርታ

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) map

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) map

title: ካርታ


text: admeenistrator

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text: admeenistrators

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User talk:Lucas·G

Ready Steady Yeti (talk) 18:51, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

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text: ሶማሊ

title: ሶማሊ


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leite condensado

Noun

 * 1) condensed milk

Noun

 * 1) condensed milk milk that has been reduced and sweetened to the consistency of syrup

title: leite condensado


text:
leite de peito

Noun

 * 1) breast milk milk produced by humans

title: leite de peito


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leite de coco

Noun

 * 1) coconut milk liquid extracted from the meat of a brown coconut

title: leite de coco


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leite de soja

Noun

 * 1) soy milk beverage made from soy beans

title: leite de soja


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Module:category tree

local m_utilities = require("Module:utilities")

local concat = table.concat local insert = table.insert local sort = table.sort local uupper = require("Module:string utilities").upper

local inFundamental = mw.loadData("Module:category tree/data")

local show_error, link_box, show_catfix, show_categories, show_topright, show_editlink, show_pagelist, show_breadcrumbs, show_description, show_appendix, show_children, show_TOC

local export = {}

-- The main entry point. -- This is the only function that can be invoked from a template. function export.show(frame) local template = frame.args["template"] if not template or template == "" then error("The \"template\" parameter was not specified.") end if mw.title.getCurrentTitle.nsText == "Template" then local text = {} insert(text, "This template should be used on pages in the Category: namespace, ") insert(text, "and automatically generates descriptions and categorization for categories of a recognized type (see below).") insert(text, " It is implemented by Module:category tree and its submodule Module:category tree/")		insert(text, template .. ".") if frame.args["useautocat"] then insert(text, " It is preferable not to invoke this template directly, but to simply use ") insert(text, require("Module:template link").format_link("auto cat")) insert(text, " (with no parameters), which will automatically invoke this template on appropriately-named category pages.") end return concat(text) elseif mw.title.getCurrentTitle.nsText ~= "Category" then error("This template/module can only be used on pages in the Category: namespace.") end local submodule = require("Module:category tree/" .. template) -- Get all the parameters and the label data local current if submodule.new_main then current = submodule.new_main(frame) else local info = {} for key, val in pairs(frame.args) do			if val ~= "" and key ~= "useautocat" then info[key] = val end end info.template = nil current = submodule.new(info, true) end local functions = { "getBreadcrumbName", "getDataModule", "canBeEmpty", "getDescription", "getParents", "getChildren", "getUmbrella", "getAppendix", "getTOCTemplateName", }	if current then for _, functionName in pairs(functions) do			if type(current[functionName]) ~= "function" then require("Module:debug").track{ "category tree/missing function", "category tree/missing function/" .. functionName } end end end

local boxes = {} local display = {} local categories = {}

if template == "topic cat" then insert(categories, "") end -- Check if the category is empty local isEmpty = mw.site.stats.pagesInCategory(mw.title.getCurrentTitle.text, "all") == 0 -- Are the parameters valid? if not current then -- WARNING: The following name is hardcoded and checked for in Module:auto cat. If you change it, you -- also need to change that module. insert(categories, "") insert(categories, isEmpty and "" or nil) insert(display, show_error( "Double-check the category name for typos. " .. "Search existing categories to check if this category should be created under a different name (for example, "Fruits" instead of "Fruit"). ' ..			"To add a new category to Wiktionary's category tree, please consult " .. mw.getCurrentFrame:expandTemplate{title = "section link", args = { "Help:Category#How_to_create_a_category", }} .. "."))		-- Exit here, as all code beyond here relies on current not being nil return concat(categories, "") .. concat(display, "\n\n") end -- Does the category have the correct name? if mw.title.getCurrentTitle.text ~= current:getCategoryName then insert(categories, "") insert(display, show_error( "Based on the parameters given to the " .. require("Module:template link").format_link(template) .. " template, this category should be called Category:" .. current:getCategoryName .. ".")) end -- Add cleanup category for empty categories local canBeEmpty = current:canBeEmpty if isEmpty and not canBeEmpty then insert(categories, "") end if current:isHidden then insert(categories, "__HIDDENCAT__") end

if canBeEmpty then insert(categories, " __EXPECTUNUSEDCATEGORY__") end

-- Put all the float-right stuff into a that does not clear, so that float-left stuff like the breadcrumbs and -- description can go opposite the float-right stuff without vertical space. insert(boxes, "") insert(boxes, show_topright(current)) insert(boxes, show_editlink(current)) insert(boxes, show_related_changes) insert(boxes, show_pagelist(current)) insert(boxes, " ") -- Generate the displayed information insert(display, show_breadcrumbs(current)) insert(display, show_description(current)) insert(display, show_appendix(current)) insert(display, show_children(current)) insert(display, show_TOC(current)) insert(display, show_catfix(current)) insert(display, '') show_categories(current, categories) return concat(boxes, "\n") .. "\n" .. concat(display, "\n\n") .. concat(categories, "") end

function show_error(text) return mw.getCurrentFrame:expandTemplate{title = "maintenance box", args = { "red", image = "", title = "This category is not defined in Wiktionary's category tree.", text = text, }} end

local function get_catfix_info(current) local lang, sc	if current.getCatfixInfo then lang, sc = current:getCatfixInfo elseif not (current._info and current._info.no_catfix) then -- FIXME: This is hacky and should be removed. lang = current._lang sc = current._info and require("Module:scripts").getByCode(current._info.sc, true, nil, true) or nil end return lang, sc end

-- Show the "catfix" that adds language attributes and script classes to the page. function show_catfix(current) local lang, sc = get_catfix_info(current) if lang then return m_utilities.catfix(lang, sc) else return nil end end

-- Show the parent categories that the current category should be placed in. function show_categories(current, categories) local parents = current:getParents if not parents then return end for _, parent in ipairs(parents) do		local sortkey = type(parent.sort) == "table" and parent.sort:makeSortKey or parent.sort if type(parent.name) == "string" then insert(categories, "" .. sortkey .. "") else insert(categories, "") end end -- Also put the category in its corresponding "umbrella" or "by language" category. local umbrella = current:getUmbrella if umbrella then -- FIXME: use a language-neutral sorting function like the Unicode Collation Algorithm. local sortkey = current._lang and current._lang:getCanonicalName or current:getCategoryName sortkey = require("Module:languages").getByCode("en", true, nil, nil, true):makeSortKey(sortkey) if type(umbrella) == "string" then insert(categories, "" .. sortkey .. "") else insert(categories, "") end end end

function link_box(content) return "" .. content .. " " end

function show_related_changes local title = mw.title.getCurrentTitle.fullText return link_box(		"["		.. tostring(mw.uri.fullUrl("Special:RecentChangesLinked", {			target = title,			showlinkedto = 0,		}))		.. ' Recent changes ]') end

function show_editlink(current) return link_box(		"[" .. tostring(mw.uri.fullUrl(current:getDataModule, "action=edit"))		.. " Edit category data]") end

function show_pagelist(current) local namespace = "namespace=" local info = current:getInfo local lang_code = info.code if info.label == "citations" or info.label == "citations of undefined terms" then namespace = namespace .. "Citations" elseif lang_code then local lang = require("Module:languages").getByCode(lang_code, true, nil, nil, true) if lang then -- Proto-Norse (gmq-pro) is the probably language with a code ending in -pro -- that's intended to have mostly non-reconstructed entries. if (lang_code:find("%-pro$") and lang_code ~= "gmq-pro") or lang:hasType("reconstructed") then namespace = namespace .. "Reconstruction" elseif lang:hasType("appendix-constructed") then namespace = namespace .. "Appendix" end end elseif info.label:match("templates") then namespace = namespace .. "Template" elseif info.label:match("modules") then namespace = namespace .. "Module" elseif info.label:match("^Wiktionary") or info.label:match("^Pages") then namespace = "" end local recent = mw.getCurrentFrame:callParserFunction{ name = "#tag", args = { "DynamicPageList", "category=" .. mw.title.getCurrentTitle.text .. "\n" .. namespace .. "\n" .. "count=10\n" .. "mode=ordered\n" .. "ordermethod=categoryadd\n" .. "order=descending" }	}	local oldest = mw.getCurrentFrame:callParserFunction{ name = "#tag", args = { "DynamicPageList", "category=" .. mw.title.getCurrentTitle.text .. "\n" .. namespace .. "\n" .. "count=10\n" .. "mode=ordered\n" .. "ordermethod=lastedit\n" .. "order=ascending" }	}	return [=[ end

-- Show navigational "breadcrumbs" at the top of the page. function show_breadcrumbs(current) local steps = {} -- Start at the current label and move our way up the "chain" from child to parent, until we can't go further. while current do		local category = nil local display_name = nil local nocap = nil if type(current) == "string" then category = current display_name = current:gsub("^Category:", "") else if not current.getCategoryName then error("Internal error: Bad format in breadcrumb chain structure, probably a misformatted value for `parents`: " ..					mw.dumpObject(current)) end category = "Category:" .. current:getCategoryName display_name, nocap = current:getBreadcrumbName end

if not nocap then display_name = mw.getContentLanguage:ucfirst(display_name) end insert(steps, 1, "" .. display_name .. "") -- Move up the "chain" by one level. if type(current) == "string" then current = nil else current = current:getParents end if current then current = current[1].name elseif inFundamental[category] then current = "Category:Fundamental" end end local templateStyles = require("Module:TemplateStyles")("Module:category tree/styles.css") local ol = mw.html.create("ol") for i, step in ipairs(steps) do		local li = mw.html.create("li") if i ~= 1 then local span = mw.html.create("span") :attr("aria-hidden", "true") :addClass("ts-categoryBreadcrumbs-separator") :wikitext(" » ") li:node(span) end li:wikitext(step) ol:node(li) end local div = mw.html.create("div") :attr("role", "navigation") :attr("aria-label", "Breadcrumb") :addClass("ts-categoryBreadcrumbs") :node(ol) return templateStyles .. tostring(div) end

-- Show the text that goes at the very top right of the page. function show_topright(current) return (current.getTopright and current:getTopright or "") end

-- Show a short description text for the category. function show_description(current) return (current:getDescription or "") end

function show_appendix(current) local appendix if current.getAppendix then appendix = current:getAppendix end if appendix then return "For more information, see " .. appendix .. "." else return nil end end

-- Show a list of child categories. function show_children(current) local children = current:getChildren if not children then return nil end sort(children, function(first, second) return uupper(first.sort) < uupper(second.sort) end) local children_list = {} for _, child in ipairs(children) do		local child_pagetitle if type(child.name) == "string" then child_pagetitle = child.name else child_pagetitle = "Category:" .. child.name:getCategoryName end local child_page = mw.title.new(child_pagetitle) if child_page.exists then local child_description = child.description or type(child.name) == "string" and child.name:gsub("^Category:", "") .. "." or				child.name:getDescription("child") insert(children_list, "* " .. child_pagetitle .. ": " .. child_description) end end return concat(children_list, "\n") end

-- Show a table of contents with links to each letter in the language's script. function show_TOC(current) local titleText = mw.title.getCurrentTitle.text local inCategoryPages = mw.site.stats.pagesInCategory(titleText, "pages") local inCategorySubcats = mw.site.stats.pagesInCategory(titleText, "subcats")

local TOC_type

-- Compute type of table of contents required. if inCategoryPages > 2500 or inCategorySubcats > 2500 then TOC_type = "full" elseif inCategoryPages > 200 or inCategorySubcats > 200 then TOC_type = "normal" else -- No (usual) need for a TOC if all pages or subcategories can fit on one page; -- but allow this to be overridden by a custom TOC handler. TOC_type = "none" end

if current.getTOC then local TOC_text = current:getTOC(TOC_type) if TOC_text ~= true then return TOC_text end end

if TOC_type ~= "none" then local templatename = current:getTOCTemplateName

local TOC_template if TOC_type == "full" then -- This category is very large, see if there is a "full" version of the TOC. local TOC_template_full = mw.title.new(templatename .. "/full") if TOC_template_full.exists then TOC_template = TOC_template_full end end

if not TOC_template then local TOC_template_normal = mw.title.new(templatename) if TOC_template_normal.exists then TOC_template = TOC_template_normal end end

if TOC_template then return mw.getCurrentFrame:expandTemplate{title = TOC_template.text, args = {}} end end

return nil end

function export.test(frame) local template = frame.args[1] local submodule = require("Module:category tree/" .. template) if submodule.new_main then current = submodule.new_main(frame) else local info = {} for key, val in pairs(frame.args) do			info[key] = val; if info[key] == "" then info[key] = nil end end info.template = nil current = submodule.new(info, true) end end

return export

title: Module:category tree


text:
leite gordo

Noun

 * 1) whole milk milk from which nothing has been removed

title: leite gordo


text:
leite materno

Noun

 * 1) mother's milk; breast milk

title: leite materno


text:
leiteira

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  milk churn
 * 2)  greater celandine
 * 1)  greater celandine

Etymology
From. .

Pronunciation

Noun

 * 1) a type of pan used to boil milk
 * 2) a type of pitcher used to serve milk
 * 1) a type of pitcher used to serve milk

title: leiteira


text:
leiteiro

Etymology
From, from , corresponding to.

Pronunciation

Noun

 * 1) milkman man who delivers milk early in the morning

title: leiteiro


text:
leitelho

Noun

 * 1) buttermilk liquid left over after producing butter

title: leitelho


text:
leito de morte

Noun

 * 1) deathbed bed or place where a dying person rests
 * 2) deathbed last hours before death

title: leito de morte


text:
uovo all'occhio di bue

Etymology
lit. 'egg made in the shape of an ox's eye'.

Noun

 * 1) fried egg sunny side up over easy

title: uovo all'occhio di bue


text:
leitoso

Etymology
From, from. .

Adjective

 * 1) milky resembling milk in color or consistency

title: leitoso


text:
leitura labial

Noun

 * 1) lipreading the act of identifying what someone says from the movement of their lips

title: leitura labial


text:
leitão

Etymology
From.

Compare 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) piglet young pig

title: leitão


text:
knechten

Verb

 * 1) to enslave (to make a person an indentured )

Verb

 * 1) to enslave (to make a person an indentured )

title: knechten


text:
lembrancinha

Noun

 * 1) souvenir item of sentimental value, to remember an event or location
 * 1) souvenir item of sentimental value, to remember an event or location

title: lembrancinha


text: lembrar-se

title: lembrar-se


text:
lenhoso

Etymology
From, possibly corresponding to. Compare 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1)  wooden; ligneous made of or relating to wood

title: lenhoso


text:
uovo all'ostrica

Noun

 * 1) prairie oyster

title: uovo all'ostrica


text:
lente de contato

Noun

 * 1) contact lens thin lens placed directly on the eye

title: lente de contato


text:
lentidão

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) slowness quality of being slow

title: lentidão


text:
leonês

Adjective

 * 1) Leonese of or relating to León

Noun

 * 1) Leonese someone from León

Noun

 * 1) Leonese Romance language spoken in León

title: leonês


text:
leopardo asiático

Noun

 * 1) leopard cat, a wild cat of southeast Asia

title: leopardo asiático


text:
uovo in camicia

Noun

 * 1) poached egg

title: uovo in camicia


text:
uovo affogato

Noun

 * 1) poached egg

title: uovo affogato


text: simple Englishes

title: simple Englishes


text:
leprosário

Noun

 * 1) leprosarium institution or place to quarantine and treat leprous people

title: leprosário


text:
leptão

Noun

 * 1)  lepton elementary particle

title: leptão


text:
ler nas entrelinhas

Verb

 * 1)  to read between the lines to infer a meaning that is not stated explicitly

title: ler nas entrelinhas


text: ler-se

title: ler-se


text:
dal cuore tenero

Adverb

 * 1) softhearted

title: dal cuore tenero


text:
lesa-majestade

Noun

 * 1) lese majesty crime against royalty

title: lesa-majestade


text:
leste-sudeste

Noun

 * 1) east-southeast

title: leste-sudeste


text:
leste-sueste

Noun

 * 1) east-southeast

title: leste-sueste


text:
lesão corporal

Noun

 * 1)  [bodily injury or bodily harm] crime of striking another

title: lesão corporal


text:
lesão por esforço repetitivo

Noun

 * 1)  repetitive strain injury injury to muscles and tendons caused by repetitive use

title: lesão por esforço repetitivo


text:
letárgico

Adjective

 * 1) lethargic; sluggish

Adjective

 * 1) lethargic; sluggish

title: letárgico


text:
nogi

Etymology
From. Cognates include 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1)  soot

Etymology
From. Cognates include 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) soot

Etymology
From. Cognates include 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) soot

Etymology
From. Cognates include 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) soot

title: nogi


text: noze

title: noze


text: Category:Characters by script

title: Category:Characters by script


text:
dare a Cesare quel che è di Cesare

Etymology
lit. 'to give to Caesar what is Caesar's'. From Matthew 22:23; compare.

Phrase

 * 1) to give credit where credit's due

title: dare a Cesare quel che è di Cesare


text: Category:Templates by script

title: Category:Templates by script


text:
Reconstruction:Proto-Celtic/srognā

Etymology
From. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬. See also.

Noun

 * 1) nose

title: Reconstruction:Proto-Celtic/srognā


text:
knock someone over with a feather

Pronunciation

title: knock someone over with a feather


text:
makamun

Noun

 * 1) pepper

title: makamun


text: Template:ssf-noun

title: Template:ssf-noun


text:
cercare il pelo nell'uovo

Etymology
lit. 'to look for the hair in the egg'. Compare 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1)  to split hairs

title: cercare il pelo nell'uovo


text:
spaccare il capello in quattro

Etymology
Compare 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1)  to split hairs

title: spaccare il capello in quattro


text:
Thao

Noun

 * 1) A member of an aboriginal people of central Taiwan.

Proper noun

 * 1) An Austronesian language spoken by the Thao people.

Translations

 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Japanese: サオ語

title: Thao


text: seestems

title: seestems


text:
pieno come un uovo

Etymology
lit. 'full as an egg'. Compare 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1)  full up

title: pieno come un uovo


text:
rompere le uova nel paniere

Etymology
lit. 'to break the eggs in the basket'.

Verb

 * 1)  to upset someone's plans; to upset the applecart; to burst someone's bubble

title: rompere le uova nel paniere


text: Category:Undetermined script

title: Category:Undetermined script


text:
サオ語

Proper noun

 * 1) Thao language

title: サオ語


text:
kokebok

Noun

 * 1) a cookery book or cookbook

Noun

 * 1) a cookbook or cookery book

title: kokebok


text:
pałkaś

Etymology
Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1) to do the laundry

title: pałkaś


text: pałcom

title: pałcom


text: pałkam

title: pałkam


text: pałkaju

title: pałkaju


text: pałco

title: pałco


text: pałcu

title: pałcu


text: pałkał

title: pałkał


text:
râr

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) rare
 * 2) thin, sparse

title: râr


text: kokeboka

title: kokeboka


text:
gynophage

Etymology
Possibly coined in 1983 by Pierre-Alain Cabrero in his book Le Gynophage.

Adjective

 * 1)  woman-eating

Noun

 * 1)  woman-eater

title: gynophage


text: kokeboken

title: kokeboken


text:
clâr

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) clear, lucid, apparent

Noun

 * 1) light

Adverb

 * 1) clearly

title: clâr


text:
levantamento de peso

Noun

 * 1)  weightlifting sport in which competitors lift heavy weights

title: levantamento de peso


text: kokebøker

title: kokebøker


text:
paganophile

Noun

 * 1)  One who likes or supports pagans.

title: paganophile


text:
levar a cabo

Verb

 * 1)  to carry out to do something

title: levar a cabo


text:
levar em conta

Verb

 * 1)  to take into account to consider or regard

title: levar em conta


text:
leve como uma pena

Adjective

 * 1)  light as a feather extremely light, having minimal weight

title: leve como uma pena


text: kokebøkene

title: kokebøkene


text:
leviandade

Noun

 * 1) levity lightness of manner or speech

title: leviandade


text:
leviatã

Noun

 * 1)  leviathan biblical sea monster

title: leviatã


text:
levitação

Noun

 * 1) levitation raising of something without apparent physical cause

title: levitação


text:
Reconstruction:Proto-Celtic/baskis

Etymology
Possibly from or non-Indo-European source. Cognate with 🇨🇬, and perhaps 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) bundle
 * 2) load

Descendants

 * , (North)
 * , dial. ,
 * Hispano-Celtic:
 * , (North)
 * , dial. ,
 * Hispano-Celtic:
 * , (North)
 * , dial. ,
 * Hispano-Celtic:
 * Hispano-Celtic:
 * Hispano-Celtic:

title: Reconstruction:Proto-Celtic/baskis


text:
leão-marinho

Noun

 * 1) sea lion any marine mammal of the family

title: leão-marinho


text: leãozinho

title: leãozinho


text:
libanês

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) Lebanese of, from, or pertaining to Lebanon

Noun

 * 1) Lebanese a person from Lebanon

title: libanês


text: Template:list:Latin script letters/liv

title: Template:list:Latin script letters/liv


text:
libelinha

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) damselfly insect

title: libelinha


text:
kovistelu

Etymology
< <

Noun

 * 1) arm-twisting use of personal pressure to persuade

title: kovistelu


text: Category:es:Video games

title: Category:es:Video games


text:
liberdade condicional

Noun

 * 1) parole release of a prisoner on the understanding that he checks in regularly and obeys the law

title: liberdade condicional


text:
liberdade de expressão

Etymology
lit. 'freedom of expression'.

Noun

 * 1) freedom of expression right to voice one’s opinion without fear of harm

title: liberdade de expressão


text: Category:Category modules

title: Category:Category modules


text:
User talk:Sgconlaw

Template:en-conj-simple
I thought it was agreed not to add English conjugation templates to verbs except to highlight archaic forms. Yet I see you added en-conj-simple to verbs like retract without any archaic forms. Do you mind if I remove them all? Benwing2 (talk) 06:16, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * : Note that and  exist. J3133 (talk) 07:10, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Fine, but those forms need to be added and cited in such a case. You can't just slap a useless conjugation table on every verb and expect someone else to add the archaic forms. IMO they can all be removed, and readded later as needed. Benwing2 (talk) 07:14, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I actually think even with such archaic forms, we should usually not have conjugation tables, particularly if they are predictable (as they are in this case). Benwing2 (talk) 07:16, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * this was back in September 2021; I cannot recall what happened then. Usually I check if archaic forms exist at Google Books, the Internet Archive, etc., exist before adding a conjugation table. It is possible that I checked, but did not have time to add quotations to the entry which has sometimes been the case. I don't agree about the predictability point, though. If we have entries for the archaic forms, then using a conjugation table seems like the best way to link them to the lemma since we don't put them in . — Sgconlaw (talk) 08:45, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I am willing to keep the tables as long as they are used to include archaic forms, but otherwise IMO they should be removed. Benwing2 (talk) 09:06, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * don’t forget that (now ) was updated so that the default behaviour changed from always displaying archaic forms (which is what I only use the table for), to only displaying archaic forms if 1 is added. Following this change, I actually requested on your user talk page that you do a bot run on entries to add 1 to conjugation tables in entries that have archaic forms, but there was a discussion (at the Grease Pit?) about the operation of  so no bot run has been done yet. I don’t know if there was a conclusive outcome to the discussion. Let me try to dig it up. — Sgconlaw (talk) 14:05, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * the discussions were at:
 * Template talk:en-conj.
 * User talk:Benwing2.
 * User talk:Benwing2.
 * Grease pit/2022/October.
 * — Sgconlaw (talk) 14:56, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Template:RQ:Gilbert and Sullivan Mikado
Hi. I tried to add act=2 to the quote at girlish, but that info doesn't show up. Most annoying. Can you fiddle with the template to allow this? Van Man Fan (talk) 09:17, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

What are your rules for using the ' and ’ characters?
Sometimes you switch between them in the same quotation or even in the same sentence. It doesn’t seem to correlate with the original quote either. I would have assumed that ‘ ’ is for ‘quotations’ and ' is an apostrophe. Ioaxxere (talk) 17:07, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * There was a discussion about this but no consensus to use one or the other exclusively. In general I use the non-curly apostrophe or single quotation mark (') and double quotation mark (") in quoted text because it is difficult for some editors to produce the curly marks. I only use the curly versions (‘’ and “”) where, for Wikitext reasons, using non-curly marks would create issues (for example, I would use curly marks in this situation: ‘apostrophe’ ). For consistency, I then use curly marks throughout that particular quoted text. — Sgconlaw (talk) 19:27, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * That seems reasonable, but did you have different rules at one point? For example (in ):
 * It seems arbitrary here. Ioaxxere (talk) 20:42, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * oh, you mean in the imprint information rather than the quotation? I think this is because curly quotation marks are hard-coded into our quotation and reference templates, so it makes sense to follow that usage in chapters and titles. — Sgconlaw (talk) 22:42, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * oh, you mean in the imprint information rather than the quotation? I think this is because curly quotation marks are hard-coded into our quotation and reference templates, so it makes sense to follow that usage in chapters and titles. — Sgconlaw (talk) 22:42, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

How do you find quotations?
I notice that you often add a lot of Early Modern English quotations. Is there a way to quickly search through all of the RQ works to quickly collect quotations? On the Internet Archive and Google Books, using date filtering produces a lot of garbage for the most part. Ioaxxere (talk) 17:28, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm interested too! I just do refined searches on Google, Internet Archive, and similar. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 18:13, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I have a subscription to OED Online so I have a look at the quotations listed in the entries there. As these are generally quotations from old works, they can also be seen in the first edition of the OED (known as the New English Dictionary): see the links at . — Sgconlaw (talk) 20:37, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I do also conduct searches using Google Books and the HathiTrust Digital Library using date filtering (for example, 1500–1799 and 1800–1899). However, as you have probably found, the dating of the works on these websites is sometimes inaccurate. Also, as the OCR is sometimes inaccurate, you sometimes have to try replacing long esses (ſ) with f to see if anything pops up, like this: " ". It's harder to do a date-filtered search using the Internet Archive, but sometimes I will rearrange the search results by date of publication and then look through the earliest dates. — Sgconlaw (talk) 20:43, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Template:col3 and relatives
These templates make orange links of any term that is not in the language indicated by parameter 1. Many of the derived terms sections I work on have both Translingual and English terms in them. All the terms in one or the other, but usually in Translingual (outside ), will necessarily show up as orange, instead of blue, indicating that there is no L2 section in the language required, ie, usually Translingual. The "orange" preference is set by a gadget that provides as follows: "Colors links with a language name as anchor if there is no entry for that language on the page linked to." (I can't actually make sense of these words.) DCDuring (talk) 19:20, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * You should be able to get round that by using a manual link template for those terms within the column template. Perhaps we should update it so that it’s a bit more straightforward to do it, though, as this issue has come up elsewhere. Theknightwho (talk) 19:27, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I see. This is rather inconvenient for any editor who does not use (or indeed did not know of the existence) of this gadget; from what I could see, all the blue links stayed blue and all the red links stayed red. Seems like we need a better solution for column templates, then. — Sgconlaw (talk) 19:31, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Sgconlaw @DCDuring It’s possible to specify other things in the column template with syntax like this: . We could have  . This would be a good solution for Chinese entries with non-Mandarin derived terms, too. Pinging @Wpi31 @Justinrleung @Benwing2 @Erutuon. Theknightwho (talk) 19:36, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Could I do that now or are coding changes needed? DCDuring (talk) 19:46, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @DCDuring At the moment, you’d need to put . This becomes more relevant when dealing with large numbers of terms, as it’s a lot less efficient to process a bunch of link templates inside the column one. Angle brackets don’t have that problem. Theknightwho (talk) 19:49, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Then why don't we not use that family of template when there are translingual entries in the table, until there is a better solution. It is the large tables where the editing becomes a PITA. It should be easy to tell which tables as they should be within parentheses. In any event they are mostly terms involving organisms. DCDuring (talk) 23:12, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * AFAIT, the big "advantage" of the "col" family of templates is alphabetization of unalphabetized input. This makes apparent duplicates, a good thing. Unfortunately, it make tedious the task of weeding them out. The other advantage is a smaller number of keystrokes, mostly by eliminating typing of connected with or . But this forces Translingual entries to show orange. For tables in English and Translingual L2 sections simply using straight wikitext is simpler with no bad consequences for viewers or editors. DCDuring (talk) 19:44, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I can add the  syntax. I was also planning on adding   to make converting zh-der easier, and the code that processes these modifiers is straightforward and easy to extend in any case. Benwing2 (talk) 20:30, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Benwing2 Thanks. I think it would make sense to add the language name as a label before the term, except in the case of . That would be very handy for the Chinese lists.
 * In terms of sorting, I guess it should keep using the primary language. Theknightwho (talk) 20:36, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * As to sorting, yes, the primary language, which should be the language of the L2 section, at least in the cases I am familiar with.
 * Where could I see the proposed syntax in operation in some existing use? DCDuring (talk) 21:14, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

By the way, do our column templates treat terms with no markup and terms marked up with, , or  the same for alphabetization purposes? Seems like they should. — Sgconlaw (talk) 21:52, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

 * @Sgconlaw Yes. Theknightwho (talk) 22:04, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * ah, excellent! — Sgconlaw (talk) 22:04, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

DNA
Tbh I find it really untidy that so many sections have columns and then one doesn't just because it "doesn't have enough terms". Also, the thing is with col-auto is it's also based on the screen size, so it's better for readers. Vininn126 (talk) 22:14, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

 * if only there was a way to have the best of both worlds. I still think it’s awkward to have different numbers of columns in adjacent tables. — Sgconlaw (talk) 22:31, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
 * So maybe we set the columns for that related terms sections. The sudden random list is an eyesore Vininn126 (talk) 22:36, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, then. Maybe make then all three-column tables since there are so few terms in the last table. — Sgconlaw (talk) 22:44, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

T:R:Century 1911
The new version had way too much clutter and required too much effort to find the link to the actual word as opposed to the name of dictionary editor etc. DCDuring (talk) 18:33, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

RQ templates for newspapers
Asking you because you create a lot of RQ templates—do you think it would be useful to create RQ templates for major newspapers? As a test, I've created and a few others to gather people's opinions. You would be able to do  which saves quite a few characters by automatically filling in several fields. We could even make it more sophisticated by have it fill in the  field based on the article's date. Ultimately, the goal is to standardize all of our quotation formats to allow for a more consistent and polished feel to the website and to make it easier to create nice quotations. What do you think? Ioaxxere (talk) 02:48, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

 * I guess it should be OK. I didn’t create such templates previously because editors have to specify pretty much all the information including the URL (unlike books, where this can be built into the template and editors can just provide the page number), so it’s only a slight benefit over just using directly. But there are benefits like providing a newspaper’s ISSN and editors, so why not? — Sgconlaw (talk) 05:28, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

 * I removed the "online" bit from the names. Concisenes...
 * yes, that makes sense. — Sgconlaw (talk) 04:51, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That wasn't me. I'm still not sure that an online resource and a physical newspaper should be quoted the same (for example, in the case of an article or blog post only published online). Ioaxxere (talk) 13:56, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh. Basically I have not been distinguishing between them, because a lot of what is on the website also appears in print, and that is the case for other newspapers like The Guardian. — Sgconlaw (talk) 14:00, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

edition edition
Hi. Between Benwing, you, and I (did two already), we can probably clean up these instances of edition edition Ñobody Elz (talk) 07:42, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

page page
As above, these ones Ñobody Elz (talk) 07:44, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I suggest you make a request on Benwing2's talk page for a bot run. Sounds easy enough. — Sgconlaw (talk) 08:18, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Ñobody Elz (talk) 08:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Images in WOTD
I don't remember ever seeing an image (except for a color swatch) in a WOTD. Is that policy, preference, accident? DCDuring (talk) 23:39, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

 * do you mean in the actual WOTD on the Main Page? I recall someone suggested it in the past but there wasn’t much enthusiasm for it. I personally don’t mind. Maybe bring it up at the Beer Parlour? — Sgconlaw (talk) 04:45, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 * There are some amusing vernacular names of organisms, made more amusing by the appearance of the organisms. I'll try BP. DCDuring (talk) 13:45, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 * go for it! You have my support. — Sgconlaw (talk) 14:11, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Greyish Worm unwanted redirects
I found the following RQ: templates created by Wonderfool under the name Greyish Worm. Most of them should be deleted; let me know which ones and I'll run my rename script.

(change visibility) 16:08, November 23, 2022 diff hist +53  N Template:RQ:Orwell 1984  Redirected page to Template:RQ:Orwell Nineteen Eighty-Four current thank Tags: New redirect no-documentation November 13, 2022 (change visibility) 04:19, November 13, 2022 diff hist +45  N Template:RQ:Robertson Charles V  Redirected page to Template:RQ:Robertson Charles 5 current thank Tags: New redirect no-documentation November 9, 2022 (change visibility) 19:23, November 9, 2022 diff hist +71  N Template:RQ:Brimson Art of Fart  Created page with "" thank Tag: no-documentation November 1, 2022 (change visibility) 20:17, November 1, 2022 diff hist +41  N Template:RQ:Scott Fair Maid of Perth  Redirected page to Template:RQ:Scott Fair Maid thank Tags: New redirect no-documentation October 25, 2022 (change visibility) 04:27, October 25, 2022 diff hist +156  N Template:RQ:Williams Velveteen Rabbit  Created page with "  " thank October 19, 2022 (change visibility) 15:58, October 19, 2022 diff hist +54  N Template:RQ:Irving Tales from the Alhambra  GreyishWorm moved page Template:RQ:Irving Tales from the Alhambra to Template:RQ:Irving Tales of the Alhambra current thank Tag: New redirect October 12, 2022 (change visibility) 09:46, October 12, 2022 diff hist +439  N Template:RQ:Fry Liar  Created page with "  " thank October 8, 2022 (change visibility) 14:40, October 8, 2022 diff hist +43  N Template:RQ:Lewis Babbitt Main Street  This'll eventually get cleared up current thank Tags: New redirect no-documentation October 4, 2022 (change visibility) 05:28, October 4, 2022 diff hist +158  N Template:RQ:King Mist  Created page with "" thank Tag: no-documentation September 28, 2022 (change visibility) 03:18, September 28, 2022 diff hist +43  N Template:RQ:Twain Life on the Mississippi  Redirected page to Template:RQ:Twain Mississippi current thank Tags: New redirect no-documentation (change visibility) 03:18, September 28, 2022 diff hist +46  N Template:RQ:Tennyson In Memoriam A.H.H  Redirected page to Template:RQ:Tennyson In Memoriam current thank Tags: New redirect no-documentation (change visibility) 03:16, September 28, 2022 diff hist +58  N Template:RQ:Hardy Far From the Madding Crowd  Redirected page to Template:RQ:Hardy Far from the Madding Crowd current thank Tags: New redirect no-documentation (change visibility) 03:14, September 28, 2022 diff hist +45  N Template:RQ:Byron Childe Harolde  Redirected page to Template:RQ:Byron Childe Harold current thank Tags: New redirect no-documentation (change visibility) 03:14, September 28, 2022 diff hist +29  N Template:RQ:Darwin The Descent of Man  Created page with "" thank Tag: no-documentation (change visibility) 03:10, September 28, 2022 diff hist +44  N Template:RQ:Spenser Mother Hubberd's Tale  Redirected page to Template:RQ:Spenser Complaints thank Tags: New redirect no-documentation>

Benwing2 (talk) 10:45, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, . I went through the above list, and I think the following redirects can be replaced:
 * can be retained as a shortcut. I manually replaced and deleted some of the redirects that only had a few uses. The rest of the templates seem OK; I'll tidy them up. — Sgconlaw (talk) 02:02, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * can be retained as a shortcut. I manually replaced and deleted some of the redirects that only had a few uses. The rest of the templates seem OK; I'll tidy them up. — Sgconlaw (talk) 02:02, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * can be retained as a shortcut. I manually replaced and deleted some of the redirects that only had a few uses. The rest of the templates seem OK; I'll tidy them up. — Sgconlaw (talk) 02:02, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

quote-* changes
I made a bunch of changes to the Module:quote and hence to the quote-* templates: For #4, we need to be more careful in the use and propagation of pageref; you'll see several places where I fixed issues that were leading to both page and pages being specified. I would actually like to talk to you about eliminating pageref in most cases; it's a simple matter to extract the first page number from a range like 238–239 and use it in place of manually specifying it. How often does it occur that the page in pageref is not and cannot be specified as the first page of the range? Benwing2 (talk) 07:31, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) All params that can take foreign text (including less obvious ones like page/volume/line/etc.) can be prefixed by a language code and followed by inline modifiers to specify a translation, transliteration, transcription and script code. You can see some examples in User:Benwing2/test-quote. When a language code is specified, script detection and tagging is done per the allowed scripts of that language, to ensure that text in a foreign script is correctly displayed. Even without a language code, script detection and tagging is still done unless the text contains HTML (which may indicate it was already processed using lang) or is ASCII-only; this uses   in Module:scripts, which has listings of character ranges and associated scripts and looks up the text in these ranges.
 * 2) Numeric param handling is harmonized. All of pages, columns, lines, issues and volumes now work the same way. E.g. for pages, page and pages are synonyms and whether to say   or   is autodetected based on whether there's a hyphen, en-dash, em-dash or similar page number separator. This should fix a lot of issues: people routinely put single page numbers in pages and ranges in page. There's also page_plain, which is analogous to volume_plain and can be used if the autodetection is wrong. Finally, there's pageurl for a URL. Issues, lines, etc. work the same, e.g. issue and issues are synonyms and there's also issue_plain and issueurl.
 * 3) Arbitrary numbers of authors are supported, not just 5. BTW I am going to implement author splitting so you can put all the authors in the author param, separated by semicolons (ideally) or commas. See the existing BP discussion about this involving User:DCDuring (there's also a discussion about this on User talk:JeffDoozan).
 * 4) The code is stricter in checking for things that shouldn't happen, e.g. specifying both page and pages or both editor and editors. This will necessitate fixing a bunch of existing issues. Eventually I hope to implement full parameter checking so that misspelled parameters lead to an error. (There are over 2,000 current cases of quote-* templates with misspelled or unrecognized params.)

 * thanks. Regarding pageref, I would imagine that it is quite frequent that the webpage to be linked to is not the first page of the range, so I don't think the parameter can be eliminated entirely. (Though perhaps it can be made to default to the first page? I don't know if this is a good idea.) Essentially it needs to be used when a quotation spans two pages to indicate which page the highlighted term appears on, and this could either be the first or second page of the range. — Sgconlaw (talk) 14:55, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I see, this makes sense, thanks. Benwing2 (talk) 18:21, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

PMID vs. PMCID
Hi. I am trying to clean up unrecognized params and several journal articles have a pmcid param. I looked this up and it seems all PubMed articles have a PMID number, and some in addition have a PMCID number (which is different). You can always look up an article by PMID, so the PMCID is superfluous. Do you mind me removing it wherever it occurs? I'd like to avoid having unrecognized params so eventually we can implement param checking. Benwing2 (talk) 08:09, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

 * sure, that seems fine to me. — Sgconlaw (talk) 14:02, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Template:RQ:Dekker Dramatic Works
Hello. As you are the main contributor to Template:RQ:Dekker Dramatic Works, I'd like to tell you about a problem with the template that I wasn't able to fix. Showing up on murrain, the years aren't in bold, while first performance; published is in bold. Pious Eterino (talk) 17:32, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * This is because I made a change in the handling of years, so if there's already boldface, it doesn't boldface the year. In this template you're using boldface in a strange way. You could fix this by simply boldfacing the years rather than trying to work around the no-longer-happening boldface, if that makes sense. Benwing2 (talk) 19:28, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry Ben, not sure if your message was aimed at Sgconlaw or at me. I must admit the message doesn't make sense to me, but I've never ventured into templates before! Pious Eterino (talk) 20:26, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ah. A number of quotation templates use wikitext in the year field to modify the boldface based on how it used to work before your changed it. For example, in, the year is coded as " " to produce the output "1599 (first performance; published 1600)". I don't know how the boldface coding now works in the version of "Module:quote" you have updated, but I suppose all such quotation templates will now need to be updated. ( for your information.) — Sgconlaw (talk) 21:38, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll check all the English quotation templates and fix them as needed. Basically, it just checks for  in the year and doesn't add boldface around the year in that case. I think this is cleaner than always adding it and requiring template coders to do hacks like what RQ:Dekker Dramatic Works does. Benwing2 (talk) 01:41, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * BTW I have added support for,   and   to all year and date params (e.g. origyear, year_published). Benwing2 (talk) 02:39, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, I have converted all the English quotation templates appropriately; it took a few hours. In general all the use of Unicode zero-width spaces went away. Let me know if there are any non-English ones to beware of, or if you see any remaining issues with boldfacing in dates in quotation templates. Benwing2 (talk) 05:06, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks! — Sgconlaw (talk) 05:27, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

ISBN10 vs. ISBN13
Hi, what's the difference between the two, and if both are present, which one is preferred? Several quotes have both an isbn (13-digit) and an isbn10 (10-digit), or sometimes both an isbn (10-digit) and an isbn13 (13 digit). Benwing2 (talk) 02:36, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ISBNs were originally ten digits long, then from 2007 they converted them to 13-digit ones. I believe the standard is now to use 13-digit ISBNs. A ten-digit ISBN can be converted to a 13-digit one beginning with "978", and vice versa. I usually use https://www.loc.gov/programs/preassigned-control-number/isbn-converter/. As the "978" numbers have started to run out, ISBNs beginning with "979" have started to be issued. These cannot be converted to ten-digit ISBNs. — Sgconlaw (talk) 03:23, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

year_translated
While cleaning up unrecognized quote params, I've encountered various uses of year_translated. How should this be handled? For example:

which gives

I know about specifying the translator as the author and using original and by, but that doesn't allow you to include the original text, and it seems a lot of rewriting just to include the year translated. Should we add support for this? Benwing2 (talk) 01:35, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I suppose the need to specify both the year of publication of a work and of its translation would arise only in non-English entries. I think in situations like this the second set of parameters should be used, like this:
 * In that case, year_translated should be renamed year2. — Sgconlaw (talk) 20:30, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks! Benwing2 (talk) 21:48, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * In that case, year_translated should be renamed year2. — Sgconlaw (talk) 20:30, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks! Benwing2 (talk) 21:48, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

running column in a newspaper
Another question concerns this:

Here we have a regular op-ed column called The Conscience of a Liberal. How do we fit this in? Benwing2 (talk) 03:11, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * BTW I have found at least three other such instances, all using the site param. Benwing2 (talk) 03:12, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I usually just add the name of the column to the title of the article, like this: The conscience of a liberal: The monetary debate: Enter Chewbacca. — Sgconlaw (talk) 06:44, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. I wonder if we could support this more formally somehow using a separate param (in general, think of the quote-* templates as expressing the semantics of the bibliographic info; so it's better to have a way of expressing things like this using separate params, than jamming everything together). Only issue is what to call the column or series: both column and series are already in use for different things. Maybe article_series, on the theory that series really expresses the series that the journal itself is part of? Benwing2 (talk) 07:06, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I guess I have no objections. Yes, I suppose article_series is a suitable name, though this will need to be explained in the documentation. — Sgconlaw (talk) 16:43, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I implemented this. The parameter in Module:quote is called chapter_series and has a corresponding chapter_seriesvolume param. These are renamed to title_series and title_seriesvolume in quote-journal, since it generally uses title to refer to an article and maps it to the underlying chapter param. An example:
 * which generates
 * At first I put the title_series value in parens after the chapter, preceded by in, something like this:
 * But maybe it looks better the current way. What do you think? Benwing2 (talk) 06:12, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * At first I put the title_series value in parens after the chapter, preceded by in, something like this:
 * But maybe it looks better the current way. What do you think? Benwing2 (talk) 06:12, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * But maybe it looks better the current way. What do you think? Benwing2 (talk) 06:12, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

newspaper agency/source
I have found several quote templates with an agency or source param trying to indicate the syndicate (e.g. AP, UPI, Reuters, AFP, Catholic News Agency, Dow Jones Newswires) that produced the newspaper article, e.g.

and

Note in this one also the use of via to indicate the website where the article is archived. I deleted Google Books wherever it occurred on the theory that this info isn't terribly relevant and is available in the URL; maybe I should do the same here.

How should this be handled? Do we need an extra param to quote-journal for this? Benwing2 (talk) 06:34, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

 * hmmm. I'd suggest as follows:
 * If the article is directly from the news agency's website, then use and specify the news agency as the website name.
 * If the article is reproduced on another website (for example, one published by a newspaper) and does not have a named author, the news agency can be stated as the author. If the article does have a named author, perhaps then indicate ,.
 * — Sgconlaw (talk) 06:50, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Here also maybe we should support an agency or news_source param, so we can format it correctly. Benwing2 (talk) 07:08, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * sure. Perhaps agency is clearer than news_source. — Sgconlaw (talk) 16:43, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

stanza #
How should we handle stanza numbers? E.g.

In the following, I use issue_plain (which is now supported) for this; maybe there's a better way:

which displays like this:

Thoughts?

Benwing2 (talk) 06:38, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

 * I have been using stanza 22 for this. — Sgconlaw (talk) 06:42, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I see, the output looks like this which is the same:

 * Thanks again. Benwing2 (talk) 06:51, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks again. Benwing2 (talk) 06:51, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

one more ... how to handle comments in a website?
Sorry to keep bothering you with these questions. One more question concerns comments on a website. Here is an example:

The sentiment expressed here is pretty repugnant but it does illustrate the word in question. It comes from this URL https://www.firstshowing.net/2008/another-new-trailer-for-taken-with-liam-neeson/, from comment 32 by author "anti-zionist". How should this be reformatted to express this? Maybe using format? Benwing2 (talk) 06:50, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

 * or maybe comments section? — Sgconlaw (talk) 06:52, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note that I just added support for chapter_number and chapter_plain (plus section_number and section_plain), which can be specified in conjunction with chapter and section, so you could write comments section along with comment 32 and it will display something like "comments section (comment 32)". I use this functionality now in quote-song to support track, time and at displayed in parens directly after the song title (which is stored into the underlying chapter argument, so the track/time/at values are stored into chapter_plain). Benwing2 (talk) 07:02, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * OK. I hope I remember all this! — Sgconlaw (talk) 16:43, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I will document it. I'm planning on writing some code to make it easier to avoid duplication in the documentation for quote-*. Benwing2 (talk) 18:30, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

platform= or aggregator=
Hi, one more thing I'm thinking of supporting is an aggregator or platform param for things like YouTube, Issuu, Newspapers.com, Magzter and the like, as in the following, where it's specified using the via param:

This is similar to the network param of quote-av. I was originally thinking of using the name aggregator. However, Wikipedia refers to Issuu as an "electronic publishing platform", YouTube as a "social media platform" and Magzter as a "digital newsstand" (which in turn is defined as a "digital distribution platform"), so maybe platform is better, although it seems potentially more ambiguous than "aggregator". In particular, quote-video game already uses platform for a different purpose (a "computing platform"), although since quote-video game is barely used, we could easily rename this param to something else. What do you think? Benwing2 (talk) 21:49, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

 * yeah, platform is probably better. — Sgconlaw (talk) 22:42, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I will rename platform in quote-video game to system (other possibilities are architecture or compute_platform, but both are long). Benwing2 (talk) 01:48, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I have implemented source generically for the source of content (which is called newsagency in quote-journal) and platform for the platform that content is published via. Example using both:

which produces

I'm not completely sure about the wording ("sourced from" and "via"). Note that if you specify both year_published/date_published and platform, it omits the comma between them, e.g.:

which produces

Thoughts? Benwing2 (talk) 03:00, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

quoted_in=, by=/original= vs. newversion=
Can quotes using quoted_in always be replaced by newversion and the second set of params? If so should they in general? Likewise with by and original. It is confusing to have multiple ways of doing something, and should be documented better. For example, I am trying to clean up the following:

Here, there is an article "Mosul in 1909" in Middle Eastern Studies, 1971, volume 7 number 2, which contains an introduction by Elie Khadouri[e], quoting a dispatch (despatch No. 4, January 28, 1909, "Notes on the City of Mosul", by H. E. Wilkie Young, in F.O. 195/2308), containing the text in question. Complex cases like this are often confused; in this case for example I have no idea what the Narratives of Identity: The Syrian Orthodox Church and the Church of England is doing, maybe it's bad copypasta from some other template. An additional issue here is that the original text is a dispatch (maybe using quote-book?) but it's quoted in a journal article. How should this be fixed? Benwing2 (talk) 06:01, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * BTW I came up with this:
 * which produces
 * which produces

 * I don't know whether this is the best possible way. Benwing2 (talk) 06:08, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note, this uses chapter_plain, which is the "plain" equivalent of chapter_number (cf. volume vs. volume_plain), which is used to add a chapter number to a named chapter. Benwing2 (talk) 06:14, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

documentation
I wrote a module to generate documentation for quote-* templates, to avoid having to copy changes to the doc pages for all 12 of them. You can see the output so far in the quote-book documentation. Let me know what you think. In particular, I split the parameters into groups; maybe it would make more sense to merge all the groups into a single table, with gray headers at the top of each group, so that the columns are all the same width. 06:24, 15 August 2023 (UTC) Benwing2 (talk) 06:24, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

 * New output now used for quote-journal. Benwing2 (talk) 07:48, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

A Dictionary of Singlish and Singapore English
There are a lot of interesting terms from Singlish documented on your website that are missing from Wiktionary. Would you be interested in releasing it under a free license? Ioaxxere (talk) 19:35, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Updating quotations
Don't forget to update the appropriate Wiktionary:Quotations/Templates sub-pages when you do ( hint, hint ). Chuck Entz (talk) 20:10, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

 * oh yeah, not sure why I keep forgetting! — Sgconlaw (talk) 20:11, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Template:RQ:Walliams Ratburger
Can you recreate this? Denazz (talk) 09:16, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Template:RQ:London Lost Face
Needs SG attention Fond of sanddunes (talk) 22:37, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

wampum and template and italics
Hello! You reverted my edit here:. That's fine, and I understand it, but it suggests that there is a problem with the template, and perhaps we should get the wiki programmers onto it, to fix it. My edit should have been fine, and your reverted version (while it looks visually better) lacks in semantics. If you want to be the perfect gentleman, you could raise it at WT:GP. Equinox ◑ 22:33, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

 * Ugh, looking at your three edits since, I can't tell whether you fixed it or buried it. Like the 1990s Web designer trying to comprehend the shadow DOM. Re: RFD: yes, I am a bad attitude, and yes, sometimes I should step back (even if I'm right). Doing so. Cheers. Once my best friend was a Singaporean but she died. Equinox ◑ 05:19, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll raise the template issue at the Grease Pit, or just drop a message on the template talk page for our in-house experts. Sorry to hear about your friend. — Sgconlaw (talk) 05:27, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

urls added following RQ templates
There are many instances of urls being added following various RQ templates, which causes a link to the url appear on a separate line (ie, templates have a newline). It looks particularly grotesque when it follows the antiquarian bibliographic details. Is it due to there being no appropriate parameter in the templates, to users giving up on finding such a parameter, to users being unaware of the newline and not looking at what they've done or looking and thinking it's someone else's job to put the url they found into its right home, or to some other cause? It might be possible to devise a filter to prevent new instances, but that filter would also make editing other aspects of entries with the defect more annoying.

How can these defects be cleaned up, you might ask? I suppose you would need to add a url parameter to each template and document it. I am reasonably sure that one could find entries with the defect fairly easily using regex searches, from the search box for quantifying the problem and via dump-processing if the problem is as common as I think it might be. DCDuring (talk) 16:18, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

 * could you provide an example of the issue you are highlighting? I haven't come across this. — Sgconlaw (talk) 16:29, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I noticed it twice on walk (defs. 15 and 17). DCDuring (talk) 16:45, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

RFM
Re, did one of the archivings not go through (I did find out that it's still not possible to archive multiple discussions to the same talk page in one edit...) , or did you think one of the discussions should be continued and not closed? Or did you just misclick? I can't tell you how many times that's happened to me, where I almost click "rollback" while trying to click one of the other links that's right next to it... :o - -sche (discuss) 08:55, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

 * hmmm, that must have been a slip of the finger. I certainly didn’t look at this discussion at all. — Sgconlaw (talk) 08:58, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

 * It happens to the best of us! - -sche (discuss) 09:00, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry from Word
@Word0000 has just made an edit on the exact same entry @Word0151 was edit warring on while he is blocked. 178.120.53.119 15:06, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry, what entry or entries are those? — Sgconlaw (talk) 15:15, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * दर्ज 178.120.53.119 15:16, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * is there sufficient evidence of sockpuppetry by Word0151? On the other hand, 178.120.53.119, I don't speak Hindi and am not able to assess the correctness of the edits made. Perhaps can help as they have recently edited this entry. — Sgconlaw (talk) 15:22, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I do think so. The second account was created when he got blocked, he's editing the same entries, he doesn't even take 10 minutes to revert me on both accounts, so same editing patterns, both accounts have the same name, only the digits change. Even if we assume he's right, he shouldn't game the system. 178.120.53.119 15:32, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/User_talk:178.120.71.47 I don't think Surjection can help, he is biased against me as you can see on the link above. Plus his Babel only has Finnish and English, not Hindi. 178.120.53.119 15:34, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * All right, I have permanently blocked Word0000. If the sockpuppetry is confirmed, I will also mass-delete all contributions. If not, the user can be unblocked. — Sgconlaw (talk) 16:10, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Sgconlaw Could I perhaps suggest an increased ban length, instead of mass deletion? It's quite extreme, and (at least on Discord) they seem sorry for it. Theknightwho (talk) 16:39, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * OK. I will take advice from on this, as he needs to confirm the sockpuppetry anyway. Mass deletion is certainly a deterrent, but if administrators feel the edits are not problematic (I can't tell as I don't know Hindi), I am not averse to allowing them to stand. — Sgconlaw (talk) 16:44, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * There are two issues: one is sockpuppetry, which is pretty clear. I'm not going to run a check on the account to confirm the obvious. The other issue is a content dispute and edit war. The unasked question is why an IP in Belarus is edit-warring with a native speaker of Hindi over their own native language. They made a point about Surjection's Babel, but they have no Babel at all, and if they did, the numbers would probably be inflated. This IP is also known for similar behavior in Chinese entries (ask ), and they edit a number of other languages in various other parts of the world. Yes, they've obviously studied the dictionaries and the grammars, but when it comes to usage in languages other than one's own, book knowledge isn't enough. In one of the disputes, they actually justified removal of content by saying they checked two dictionaries and didn't see it in either one- but Hindi is a multifaceted modern language with a wealth of usage that doesn't always make it into the dictionaries. Surjection is aware of this, so it probably played a part in their blocking the IP first (the IP's argument about adhering to 3RR is inapplicable- that's a Wikipedia policy). I'm not going to weigh in on the merits of the content dispute- I hope Hindi editors will, instead. Chuck Entz (talk) 18:50, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for confirming the sockpuppetry point. I guess we'll leave the Hindi entries issue to be resolved by editors active in that language. — Sgconlaw (talk) 19:31, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Chuck Entz My bad, I thought the policy applied here too since I couldn't find a Wiktionary-specific policy. What is the policy here then, only two reverts allowed? I don't like breaking rules without knowing. 178.120.53.119 20:22, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Chuck Entz How many reverts until it's considered edit warring? 178.120.53.119 22:42, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Labels
How is this different from any of the other labels? I wish you'd given me a heads up before making this change so that dozens of pages weren't abruptly ripped out of their categories. Now I'm going to have to find them all again. Vergencescattered (talk) 00:17, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

 * the relevant guideline is "Context labels". These labels are intended to show that particular terms are used in specific contexts. For example, a term that is used by ornithologists would be labelled . (Note also that it isn't appropriate to put names of birds under this label. The label is for terms used in ornithology, not for any term related to birds in some way). In general, labels are not used to simply group related terms together. Thus, we do not have labels like "bird" or "insect". Instead, if it is thought appropriate to add a term to a category, this is done by specifying the category at the end of the entry, like this: "Category:en:Columbids" or "". Where lifeforms are concerned, we try to place them into specific categories (like "Columbids") rather than dropping them into the parent category (like "Birds").
 * That being said, there appears to be some consensus that it is appropriate to have certain set-type labels. For example, will display "(music)" and place terms relating to musical instruments into "Category:en:Musical instruments". However, it is good practice to start a discussion at the Beer Parlour before creating more labels of this type. — Sgconlaw (talk) 12:21, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Star Wars and terms derived from Star Wars
What is the rationale for your changes? I don't agree with. PUC – 19:41, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Word of the day/Archive/3001/January
I'm proud of you. Denazz (talk) 00:08, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

 * Emblem-cool.svg — Sgconlaw (talk) 03:25, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

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User talk:Cygauge

Ready Steady Yeti (talk) 22:22, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

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text: גמדית

title: גמדית


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liberdade de imprensa

Etymology
lit. 'freedom of press'.

Noun

 * 1) freedom of the press right of media to disseminate ideas and opinions

title: liberdade de imprensa


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libertinagem

Etymology
By surface analysis, from.

Noun

 * 1) debauchery; profligacy shameless and immoral behaviour

title: libertinagem


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avian ingestion

Noun

 * 1)  Collision between a bird and an aircraft in motion, especially a jet airplane, in which the bird enters a running engine.

title: avian ingestion


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bird ingestion

Noun

 * 1) Avian ingestion.

title: bird ingestion


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licenciosidade

Noun

 * 1) profligacy shameless and immoral behaviour

title: licenciosidade


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ligúrio

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) Ligurian of or relating to Liguria

Noun

 * 1) Ligurian person from Liguria
 * 2) Ligurian Gallo-Italic language

title: ligúrio


text:
limaçon de Pascal

Noun

 * 1)  limaçon plane curve

title: limaçon de Pascal


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hekker

Etymology
From the Hungarian pronunciation of.

title: hekker


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limpa-chaminés

Noun

 * 1) chimney sweep person whose job is to clean soot from chimneys

title: limpa-chaminés


text: hekkene

title: hekkene


text: hekkane

title: hekkane


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Eurogame

Etymology
From. The term was coined by Dave Howell in 1995 while he was working at, as an alternative to the then-standard term.

Noun

 * 1) A style of board game originating in Germany, characterized by simple rules, short to medium playtimes, indirect player interaction, abstract physical components, emphasis on strategy over luck or conflict, and economic themes.

title: Eurogame


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eurogame

Noun

 * 1) * 2010, István Szita, Guillaume Chaslot, & Pieter Spronck, "Monte-Carlo Tree Search in Settlers of Catan", in Advances in Computer Games: 12th International Conference, ACG 2009, Pamplona, Spain, May 11-13, 2009, Revised Papers (eds. H. Jaap Van den Herik & Pieter Spronck), Springer (2010), ISBN 9783642129926, page 72:
 * The game [Settlers of Catan] achieved a huge success: it received the “Game of the Year” award of the German game critics, and it was the first “eurogame” to become widely popular outside Germany,
 * The game [Settlers of Catan] achieved a huge success: it received the “Game of the Year” award of the German game critics, and it was the first “eurogame” to become widely popular outside Germany,

title: eurogame


text: eurogames

title: eurogames


text: Eurogames

title: Eurogames


text: budges up

title: budges up


text: budging up

title: budging up


text: budged up

title: budged up


text: Shinju

title: Shinju


text:
Talk:yer

Pronunciation
Why do we have an American recording for a British slang/dialectical term? Any native speakers in the house? — LlywelynII  00:29, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Your/you're confusion
The examples hint that "yer" originated – or has been further fueled by – the common error of mixing up "your" and "you're".

Another aspect not explored here is possible relations (e.g. common origin) to the Danish "jer" (see https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/jer). Ehasl (talk) 06:00, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

title: Talk:yer


text:
傳銷

Noun

 * 1) multi-level marketing; network marketing

title: 傳銷


text: 传销

title: 传销


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limpador de chaminés

Noun

 * 1) chimney sweep person whose job is to clean soot from chimneys

title: limpador de chaminés


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limpador de parabrisa

Noun

 * 1) windscreen wiper device to clear a windshield

title: limpador de parabrisa


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User talk:Llkjjl

Ready Steady Yeti (talk) 00:54, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

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limpeza étnica

Noun

 * 1) ethnic cleansing extermination or expulsion of an ethnic group

title: limpeza étnica


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limusine

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) limousine a luxury sedan/saloon car

title: limusine


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linchagem

Etymology
By surface analysis, from.

Noun

 * 1) lynching execution of a person without a proper legal trial

title: linchagem


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linchamento

Noun

 * 1) lynching execution of a person without a proper legal trial

title: linchamento


text: lindíssimo

title: lindíssimo


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linguagem corporal

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) body language nonverbal communication

title: linguagem corporal


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linguagem de computador

Noun

 * 1)  computer language; programming language

title: linguagem de computador


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linguagem de marcação

Noun

 * 1) markup language computer language that uses markups

title: linguagem de marcação


text:
linguagem de programação

Noun

 * 1)  programming language code of reserved words and symbols

title: linguagem de programação


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User:-sche/Romanizations

shoujo (romanization of 少女)

 * 2005, Shoujo Manga Techniques: Writing Stories (ISBN 156970970X)
 * 2009, Natsumi Konjoh, Fujoshi Rumi: Mousou Shoujo Otaku Kei (ISBN 1598831860)
 * 2011, Koge Donbo, Pavane for a Dead Girl (Naki Shoujo No Tame No Pavane) (ISBN 1427825521)

ṣirāṭ and ṣirāṭa (romanizations of صراط)

 * 2010, Ebrahim Kazim, Scientific Commentary of Suratul Faateḥah (ISBN 817221037X):
 * Just as a student has to study the exta hour to top the class, we should also strive hard and go the extra mile up Ṣirāṭ al Mustaqīm, to achieve the ultimate success

 * 2011, Thomas Tartsch, Muhammads Erbe: Dschihad, Dhimmi, Tötungs- und Bekämpfungsvers:
 * ih'dinā l-ṣirāṭa l-mus'taqīma ṣirāṭa alladhīna anʿamta ʿalayhim ghayri l-maghḍūbi ʿalayhim walā l-ḍālīna

 * 2014, Koranen (Wahlström & Widstrand, ISBN 9146225692):
 * Bismi-l-lāhi-r-raḥmāni-r-raḥīm!
 * 1. Al-ḥamdu li-l-lāhi rabbi-l-'ālamīn,
 * 2. Ar-raḥmāni-r-raḥīm,
 * 3. Māliki jaumi-d-dīn.
 * 4. Ijāka na'budu wa-ījāka nasta'īn,
 * 5. Ihdinā-ṣ-ṣirāṭa-l-mustaḳīm,
 * 6. Ṣirāṭa-l-laḏīna an'amta'alaihim,

svobodnyx (romanization of свободных)

 * 1980, Danish Yearbook of Philosophy, volumes 17-19, page 70:
 * Nambu, I.: Pocemu net svobodnyx kvarkov? (Why are there no free quarks?)

 * 1982, Karamzin's prose fiction: the poetics of co-creation, page 101:
 * author's name appeared more frequently on the title page, and the titles themselves often included a reference to the author's "I" (Karamzin's "Moi bezdélki," "Moja ispoved'," Dmitriev's "I moi bezdélki," I. Baxtin's "I ja avtor," Šalikov's "Plod svobodnyx čuvstvovanii," etc., are symptomatic). Works came to be read according to author (rather than genre).

 * 1995, The Workers' Movement in Russia, page 293:
 * On the events at Cherepovets see V.V. Komarovskii, 'Krizis v organizatsii svobodnyx profsoyuzov Cherepovetskogo Metallurgicheskogo Kombinata', Russian-American Fund, Soobshcheniya Korrespondentov Fonda, 1994

svobodnykh (romanization of свободных)

 * 1993, Hilbert's Tenth Problem (ISBN 0262132958), page 249:
 * V. A. Roman'kov
 * 1977
 * O nerazreshimosti problemy èndomorfnoĭ svodimosti v svobodnykh nil'potentnykh gruppakh i v svobodnykh kol'tsakh. Algebra i Logika.

 * 1997, Iconography of Power: Soviet Political Posters Under Lenin and Stalin (ISBN 0520924061):
 * A drawing of Stalin nearly in profile against a red background fills the upper half of the poster. Below, in large letters, follows the text in bold black letters: "Da zdravstvuet tvorets konstitutsii svobodnykh, schastlivykh narodov SSSR, uchitel' i drug trudiashchikhsia vsego mira, nash rodnoi Stalin!" (Long like the creator of the Constitution of the free and happy peoples of the USSR, the teacher and friend of laboring people of the whole world, our rodnoi Stalin).

 * 2006, Raffaella Faggionato, A Rosicrucian Utopia in Eighteenth-Century Russia (ISBN 1402034873), page 268:
 * ''Obriad priema v pervuiu uchenicheskuiu stepen' svobodnykh kamen'shchikov. 1777 [Ritual for Admission to the First Apprentice Degree of the Freemasons. 1777]

Zhongguo (romanization of 中國)

 * 1985, Diana Lary, Warlord Soldiers: Chinese Common Soldiers, 1911-1937 (ISBN 0521302706), page 169:
 * He Xiya. Zhongguo daofei wenti zhi de yanjiu. Shanghai, 1925.
 * Hexian zhi. 1934.
 * He Yixian. 'Zou Maping shoubian', in Xinghou liaoyuan, I, xia.
 * Henansheng 1937 xianyi shiling zhuangding tongji biao. Zhongguo dierlishi danganguan, 124/267 16745.

 * 2000, Tyrene White, China Briefing 2000: The Continuing Transformation (ISBN 0765606135), page 61:
 * 10. Employment data from Zhongguo Tongji Zhaiyao 1999, p. 35.

rodnoi (romanization of родной)

 * 1971, Message from Moscow (ISBN 0394716892), page 89:
 * We all thought of him as a kind of personal god: our great leader, our rodnoi (our own dear) Father.

 * 1997, Iconography of Power: Soviet Political Posters Under Lenin and Stalin (ISBN 0520924061):
 * A drawing of Stalin nearly in profile against a red background fills the upper half of the poster. Below, in large letters, follows the text in bold black letters: "Da zdravstvuet tvorets konstitutsii svobodnykh, schastlivykh narodov SSSR, uchitel' i drug trudiashchikhsia vsego mira, nash rodnoi Stalin!" (Long like the creator of the Constitution of the free and happy peoples of the USSR, the teacher and friend of laboring people of the whole world, our rodnoi Stalin).

 * 1998, Tim McDaniel, The Agony of the Russian Idea (ISBN 1400822157), page 80:
 * But, just as always when faced by crisis, the peasant sought solace in the rodnoi village and in the all-protective commune.

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linguagem de sinais

Noun

 * 1)  sign language language where the words consist of hand shapes, motions, positions, and facial expressions

title: linguagem de sinais


text:
linguajar

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) the way someone speaks

Verb

 * 1) to talk, to chat

title: linguajar


text:
linha aérea

Noun

 * 1) airline company that flies aeroplanes

title: linha aérea