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Talk:Goídel

It is firstly unprofessional and against Wiktionary policy to delete a valid alternate explanation for a word's etymology. Angr's argument that a "medieval text is hardly a reference" is a bit over the top. Goidel is an ancient word. It has been in continuous existence since the 11th century. To therefore dismiss an 11th century text's explanation for the origin of the word is heavy-handed and without basis or merit. I have only included an alternate etymology. I did not delete Angr's preferred etymoloyg (which is itself unproven and without consensus and has its own weaknesses). I will continue to revert all deletions of the Etymology that indicate the existence of the Lebor Gabála Érenn as a source for the word, and I will revert all deletions of the Etymology that indicate the reference to Goidel Glas in that 11th century text.

There are two theories of the word currently in scholastic circles. Etymology 1 would explain that the word is based on a Welsh word that means "Irishman". Etymology 2 would explain that the word the Irish used to describe themselves is based on an eponymous ancestor as described in the 11th century. Without debating the merits of either one, it would be prudent to allow BOTH to be incorporate in this website. Otherwise Wiktionary is serving as a forum to silence some valid theories to allow other theories to be the only voice in the room. This is against Wiktionary policy and should not be tolerated. Feel free to add a third or fourth etymology for this ancient word. It is clear from the scholastic record that nobody has "proven" the true etymology of this word. Until such time, if ever, then words of such antiquity should be allowed to have multiple etymologies. To do otherwise is to give a platform to narrow-minded thinking and intolerance for academic integrity and scholastic research. The Welsh-origin theory is not universally accepted, nor can it be. The Welsh definition is itself ambiguous.

The Welsh theory is this: The Welsh had a word for "Irishman" and the Irish people therefore decided to just use that word and call themselves by it.

The alternate and older theory is this: The Irish people had a word for themselves based on an eponymous ancestor (it doesn't matter whether that eponymous ancestor actually lived or is a mythical ancestor, no more than it matters whether Abraham was real or mythical, yet many claim descent from him, etc). This theory then presumes the Irish people self-identified as Goidelic, the people of Goidel, and then the Welsh simply used the same term to refer to an Irishman using their own spelling to approximate the same word.

There is no evidence that the Welsh word predates the Irish word, or vice versa. Therefore, it is academically prudent to provide both theories, and not simply the newer and less tested or proven one, simply on the merit that the earlier and longer-accepted theory was based on an a medieval text. Most word etymology theories are going to be based on Medieval texts. If Angr continues to revert and delete the second etymology simply on the basis that it isn't what he likes, then that is vandalism and against Wiktionary policy. Oghmatist (talk) 02:56, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Ethnic groups are always inventing eponymous ancestors for themselves. People in the 11th century had no idea of historical linguistics, so they made a story up to explain a word whose origin they didn't know. Modern scholars all agree that Goídel is a loanword from Brythonic. There are no modern scholars who believe the eponymous ancestor story (which incidentally is still not an etymology, because it doesn't say where the personal name Goídel came from; maybe the personal name itself is a loanword from Brythonic). This is like the creationism vs. evolution "debate"; the traditional explanation is completely and utterly without scientific merit, and in fact there is no debate going on at all. The etymology of this word is known and accepted. A point about formatting: we use "Etymology 1" and "Etymology 2" to separate homographs with different etymologies (like lead the verb and lead the noun), not to separate different etymological theories of the same word. And don't put your signature in entries. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 05:47, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Curious that Wikipedia doesn't mention the Phlogiston theory in its explanation of combustion, nor do they mention dragons in the sky in their explanation of thunder- and yet, each is an "alternate and older theory". Understandings improve. Old theories become obsolete. Also, please don't lecture us on Wiktionary policy until you actually understand it. Chuck Entz (talk) 06:01, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

We are talking about the origin of a word. Not the ultimate truth of reality. Where did the word "Messiah" come from? What about the word "Heaven?" What about the word "Hell?" Not always from where you think. And do you need to rely upon Biblical and contemporaneous texts to find the answer? Yes. And does that mean that you subscribe to those belief systems in those texts? Not necessarily. So, why do you confuse the issue here? Nobody is discussing the veracity of the document. Nobody is discussing the "Truthfulness" of that document. I am suggesting that the document itself is a piece of historical evidence. Nothing more. Nothing less. It is a document that existed. It was written at a point in time. It was read by a large group of people in this population that likewise held a meaning for the word. If you are both expert linguists as you claim, then do you not realize that those are the exact types of evidence you would need to build your ethno-linguistic theory of cultural transmission and loan-word migration upon? Hmmm. It would seem not. Instead, you deride and chastise and disregard vital sources of evidence on the basis of whether they are "subjectively true accounts of reality." Nobody is asking a linguist to verify the truth of extant manuscripts that extol ancient mythologies. Linguists are not supposed to pass judgment on whether the document they are handling is "true" or not. They are assessing the way words are written, used, appropriated, and transmitted. In this instance, you have an 11th century manuscript written in Gaelic, describing the origin of the word for Gael itself. And you dismiss that as being "dragons in the sky." What rubbish. Do you know how many words of Ancient Hebrew can only be found in the Hebrew scriptures? And are you prepared to toss those aside because the Book of Genesis describes creation in 6 days? I think not. The words in those texts, and how they relate to the historical context in which they were written are still valid documentary evidence for linguistic studies.

What motivates the two of you to so zealously ignore and delete this evidence from the etymological record? Is it because its not Brythonic enough for you? Or is there another reason? Oghmatist (talk) 06:23, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * But you're implying that the eponymic origin is possibly "the ultimate truth of reality", at least as far as etymology is concerned. Furthermore, you're arguing that the eponymic theory has merit by virtue of being older and having been accepted at one time. I'm just pointing out that those factors are often laughably off the mark. Angr and I have no "pro-Brythonic" bias to speak of- we just don't want outdated nonsense being given equal weight with modern scholarship. You, on the other hand, are trying to push a very strong point of view- to the point of brandishing all kinds of wild accusations and overly-dramatic appeals to anything that isn't nailed down, in an apparent attempt to bluff your way past any realexamination of your "evidence". Chuck Entz (talk) 06:47, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Chuck Entz - look, read my answers lower. I am not advocating that the written words in the manuscript are "true." I am advocating that you allow a reference to the manuscript to show that the word was defined this way at this point in time by this large population kin-group.  To disallow that is to just refuse to believe that the manuscript was even written or existed.  In other words, I am saying that, unequivocally, the manuscript existed, and that is a fact.  And the manuscript defined the word this way.  And that is also a fact.  I am not interested in proving that the manuscript defined the word "truly."  It defined it.  And when it comes to Etymology, is that not important?  So, lets say you have a Middle English word.  And you find that is oldest use is in Chaucer.  And you can't find an older version of the word.  But someone else has a theory that its a loan word from Gaelic.  What do you do?  Ignore the Chaucer reference because its a clearly fictional work?  Or do you use it as a documentary basis that the word existed in this place, at this time, for this purpose, with this known context?  Yes, in some ways, the age of the document and the earlier it is tend to be of greater import when talking about ORIGINS of a word.  We are, wholly and completely, worried about the original meaning of a word, as far back as we can go.  Etymology is sort of concerned with older is better sometimes.  But of course, words can change meaning, and that likely happened with this word.  But do you know when that happened?  Well, not without my reference to the manuscript.  Because clearly if the word ever meant "Woodsman" then by the 11th century CE it clearly no longer did.  Right?  And its likely that the authors of the  Lebor Gabála Érenn did not just lift the common everyday word for "Woodsman" and use it as a national self-identification label.  Right?  I mean, if we created an eponymous epic today, would we use the word "Plumber" or would we use a word more hefty in meaning?  So, obviously we can date the word "Goidel" as being a national or racial identifier word as early as 11th century.  In terms of Etymology, that's darn good.  And reliable and provable.  Without a doubt.  The other theory is highly subjective and without anywhere close to that level of context and certainty. It is only conjecture.  Not based on Manuscript evidence.  Not based on cultural context or transmission. Only based on sound-formation patterns.  Not even on inscription or archaeological evidence that would indicate the word was really being used by a large percentage of the Gaelic or Welsh population in that context.  Isn't that also the point of etymology?  We don't just look for clever connections - we rely on saturation of a word in a society to understand its likely meaning.  And with the Lebor Gabála Érenn we get exactly that.  Oghmatist (talk) 06:59, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

 * I agree with Oghmatist that there is room for both. It is said in computing that a novice comments code with what he did, a journeyman comments with why he did something, and a master comments with why he did not do it a different way. So, here, there is room to give the Just-So story of a name, while noting that it is a Just-So story without etymological justification. Even if we now know it to be rubbish, it was common knowledge to the educated Gael then, and at least a mention would seem apposite, even if only to dismiss it. --Catsidhe (verba, facta) 06:23, 18 August 2014 (UTC) (SO MANY EDIT CONFLICTS!)
 * I will note, however, that the number of scholars who believe the LGÉ origin story is approximately zero. Mythology usually makes for bad linguistics. --Catsidhe (verba, facta) 06:27, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

 * At the most fundamental level, I am not even trying to argue that point. Let me say it this way -- The word's oldest written definition appears to be in that manuscript.  No?  So, what is etymology other than that?  We can theorize all day long about the origin of the underlying word and its strata.  But, to ignore the oldest written definition seems amateur and unwarranted.  That's all.  That's my point.  Thanks for your insights.  They are appreciated.

Oghmatist (talk) 06:31, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

 * I am also only saying that the popular definition of the word, in the mind of the 11th century (and later) Gael could very easily have been influenced by that text. The manuscript itself contains strata of earlier texts.  This word may not have been a self-identifying word across all of Ireland or Gaelic Scotland.  It may have had different connotations.  But, what is important is that this document was a seminal watershed in the word.  It elevated the word to a meaning that provided and created national self-identity.  A racial self-identity.  Whether that racial or national self-identity existed previously or not is still to be determined.  And not in this forum.  But, the word has meaning.  And the transmission of that manuscript is highly probative in unwrapping that meaning.  I doubt you will find as ancient a text in Welsh or other Brythonic documents that reference the word with such detail.  Even if it was written purely as a mythological back-story.  Okay, then work with that.  Why would they use that word instead of others?  Obviously it had meaning of that import already by that time.  So, this is clear evidence, in the documentary record, that as of the 11th century or earlier, an entire group of people self-referenced as Goidel.  That's not just a loan-word.  Population groups don't, historically, take a loan-word to self-identify and do it within one generation of obtaining the loan-word.  If this is a loan-word, then why choose it as a national and racial identification?  Ultimately, Wiktionary is not going to answer these questions. But... Wiktionary is far more useful if it provides a valid and accurate basis upon which someone can extend into that analysis.  So, you have this document that provides all this useful context and insight into a word that you are trying to provide an etymology for.  Why not make reference to the seminal document in which it appears and is defined for an entire racial and national kin group?  Why not reference that at that time in history, this group perceived the word to have that meaning?  It indicates clues as to the origin of the word itself perhaps.  I am not suggesting that any scholars believe the version of the manuscript as to the origin of the word.  I am suggesting that not every scholar has dismissed that manuscript as relevant to the study of the origin of the word.  And those are two different things.  Please do not paint me out as a radical believer in the truthfulness of the manuscript.  I am an advocate of using documentary evidence to promote intellectual and scholastic accuracy.  To define the word, "Gael" or "Gaidheal" or "Goidel" without reference to a very critical extant document that self-defines the very word in the population group that most readily and heavily used the word is sort of like trying to define the word "Messiah" in Ancient Near Eastern usage and never once referencing how it was perceived differently by Jewish, Christian, Muslim and polytheistic cultures that each used the same root word just because you don't want to deal with "Scriptures" and "Mythologies."  Oghmatist (talk) 06:44, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, the etymology of messiah doesn't and shouldn't reference all of that stuff: it's irrelevant to the etymology, which is just an attempt to explain where the word came from- not its historical or cultural context. It has more to do with anointing than with theology (if memory serves, there's a Hebrew word for oil that's very similar and is probably related). Chuck Entz (talk) 06:58, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Okay, let me parse myself for you. Etymology, as I learned it in textual analysis, is not just linguistics.  It is also cultural transmission.  Textual and archaeological evidence.  Historical context gives you the meaning.  It indicates the word's usage in a population group.  You made this point yourself to another poster in a previous edit that I saw on your talk page.  That we don't just use wiktionary for newly minted words coined by people who use it only for themselves.  It has to be used in a larger context.  Well, words of age and antiquity particularly need to meet that criteria.  Many words sound similar.  Sometimes linguistics can just straight up get it wrong if its done without context.  There are not always one-to-one reasons why a word transformed from one language to another.  Americano is a word we could look at. People in Mexico use the word "Gringo" or "Americano" interchangeably.  Without further evidence, we would be without knowledge as to what that word means.  We find an ancient text that shows that "Americans" self-identified that way.  Why do they self-identify that way?  Why not call themselves "Washingtonians" after George Washington?  Obviously, a deeper strata exists, and it has nothing to do with linguistics by itself.  It has to do with historical context.  If we discover the manuscripts that show that the Italian explorer, Amerigo Vespucci, was the first to reach these shores and circumnavigate them, then we might see a connection.  But some might not accept that.  They may claim that "American" is a derivation of "Americano"  and why?  Because they will say the Spanish settled the New World before the Anglo did, and yet the Anglo is the one that predominated for the later period.  So, do we toss out documents because we don't like them? What if the piece of evidence is found in a politically distasteful pamphlet that survived from much earlier?  My whole point is that historical context, documentary evidence, textual analysis, cultural transmission, etc, are all vital pieces of the Etymological puzzle.  If you don't think so, then it explains our significant divergence of opinion.  And I apologize if I assumed you had ulterior motives.  I suppose you see Etymology much more narrowly than I was trained to do so.  Oghmatist (talk) 07:10, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * As far as a dictionary is concerned, etymology is strictly about where the word came from. Context is for encyclopedias and scholarly discussions. A dictionary is all about the word itself, and where the etymology is concerned, we only have room for a bare recitation of the relevant facts, summarized as succinctly as possible. Chuck Entz (talk) 07:26, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, look, that is why I tried to do it in one sentence with a reference to the two articles that would give such context. That was why I referenced the manuscript and the central character in it.  It was only a sentence I added.  It didn't lengthen the article at all.  This discussion is lengthy, but I do it to explain the premise and underlying reasoning.  To show that the issue was never the veracity of the subject matter in the manuscript but to elucidate the other things that mattered about the trajectory and genesis of the word itself.  I think the reality is that words of a national or racial self-identifying nature just can't be dismissed as generic words.  How the word "plumber" or "woodsman" evolve is one thing.  How the word "American" or "Jew" or "Gael" or "Latino" evolve is wholly another.  And in most of those cases, we have good evidence.  But for Gael, we don't.  And the reason we can chart the etymology of the word "Jew" better is because there is a richer textual tradition.  We have the Scriptures and Ancient Near Eastern history to rely upon.  With Gael, we don't have as much.  So, I emphasize using what we do have to maximum effect. Oghmatist (talk) 07:39, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

 * ::::: "Messiah" - you make my point for me though when I read that entry - the definition and the etymology are well known because we relied upon Scriptural references to make that analysis. We used very old and very "non-Scientific" documents to discover the meaning and history of that word.  Although the wiktionary entry does not include all the things we used to come to its understanding, but that is because we did it the right way and don't need to put all that there.  But in this instance, the etymology of Goidel is being presented too narrowly, without any context.  And without history, whereas the Messiah etymology did.  The most important part of the Goidel and Gael and Gaidheal etymology is probably the one that was most widely used by the largest group of people - the ones who claimed it as their own name.  And how they defined it is valid.  Even if it isn't "true" to us today.  The other problem with Goidel as a word is that we don't have the rich textual tradition that stretches back to antiquity for that word the way we do for Messiah.  So, we have to use the scarcer materials we have.  We have plenty of references to it in the 14th century and later. We see its earliest use in written form in the annals and manuscripts that show traces of 7th to 8th century strata.  We see it always in the context of national self-identity.  We don't have manuscripts that show "Woodman" or "Savage" or "Raider" in the Welsh tongue that are earlier than the Lebor Gabála Érenn.  So, maybe the Welsh of the 12th century did use the Welsh version of the word as a slur.  It would make sense.  People called Germans "Huns" during WWI.  Does that mean the word "German" is derived from the word for "Hun"?  No.  It was a slur.  Just as this Welsh word meaning "Savage" could have been a slur.  We don't have texts that show a more ancient understanding of "Goidel" than as a national self-identity.  We have only theories as to the earlier strata of the word.  That's because we don't have the historicity and context and cultural transmission and texts that we have in Hebrew and Aramaic and Greek and Latin that allow us to chart the trajectory of the word, "Messiah" so well.  If we had that for "Goidel" then this discussion would be moot.  But, we do have the Lebor Gabála Érenn and it is a very old document that has a lot of credence as  real document written and read by a lot of people and recited and repeated by even more.  That is evidence.  That is something to work with.  Find the Welsh documents or inscriptions or burial cairns, etc that show the earlier strata and you have something to work with.  Otherwise, we are conjecturing, wholly, that the Welsh word is the progenitor of the Irish and Scottish words (or whether it is merely a parallel word that derived from a familiar root word, but due to cultural isolation, they became wholly different words).  Example:  In Glasgow, if I am "mad w' it" then it means I'm drunk. In America, it means I'm angry.  The same word, mad, has diverged in meaning.  The same thing could be true for the Welsh gwyddel and the Gaelic goidel.  The reason the Strobo theory of Gaidheal from Gaul was not convincing was largely due to cultural transmission evidence, textual evidence, and population influence evidence.  The same things that I think make the Welsh-genesis argument a little shaky.  But, we can leave it.  I just think to claim that is the only theory, and the best one, is ridiculous.  The Lebor Gabála Érenn documentary evidence at least demonstrates some reason to reconsider the Welsh-theory.  For all the reasons I've detailed in all this discussion.  As a national self-identified, in the oldest written text we can find, it means the word might never have meant the same thing as gwyddel.  They might have both come from the same ancient root, but by the time either word was in use, are we sure they were even related any longer?  One had a national self-identity context and the other isn't even defined in Wiktionary.  Interesting.  Its definition is just identical to Goidel as "Irishman."  But there is no manuscript that uses Gwyddel to mean Irishman.  So, why should I be convinced that a document that uses Goidel so extensively is derived from a word that we have no evidence was ever used in that context prior to the Lebor Gabála Érenn?  Messiah is not the same because we can chart the trajectory using various texts from various dates and various strata of language, with a population group using it in poetry, ritual, law, etc.  We have nothing like that gwyddel and we rely on the Lebor Gabála Érenn and later texts for that in Gaelic.  And we consistently have a usage that points to a national self-identity. But where did it come from before that?  At this point, its not evidentiary.  Its hypothetical and speculative.  It hasn't been verified.  So, again, my point is that we can verify the Lebor Gabála Érenn usage of the word as a national racial self-identifier that was important enough to create an eponymous epic around it as early as the 11th century, incorporating earlier strata of texts, as far back as maybe the 9th century.  Its the same way we can provide an etymology for "Messiah."  We just had more texts to do that one with, so it looks easier and more straight cut, but it was the same methodology. Oghmatist (talk) 07:34, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

 * "But there is no manuscript that uses Gwyddel to mean Irishman."
 * That, actually, is not true. Geiriadur Prifysgol Cymru s.v. "Gwyddel" cites it back as far as the 12C Book of Llan Dâv as Guoidel, Guodel. --Catsidhe (verba, facta) 07:54, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Thank you for the cite. 12th century.  I was writing too fast, but my next sentence clarified my intention "we have no evidence it was used in that context PRIOR to the  Lebor Gabála Érenn"  which is what I was trying to get at.  Earlier strata.  But yes, we see a use there that dates AFTER the Lebor Gabála Érenn.  So, I think the manuscript I am talking about relying upon continues to be seminal and important.  It shows the earlier known written use of the word, in either language, and in Gaelic, it was already being used as a widespread national identifier.  Take "America" again as the example.  People were referring to "America" throughout Europe from the time it was first mapped by Vespucci until the modern day.  People didn't call themselves "Americans" until almost 250 to 300 years later, at the earliest.  And even then, they still identified by their previous tribal/national affiliations.  Ptolemy mapped Ireland with various tribal affiliations in various regions.  None of them were Gaidheal.  In fact, they were "Scotti" to the Roman mind.  That is an earlier name for the people and we can cite that as the origin of the word "Scottish" or "Scotland."  But we don't have that luxury with Goidel.  We see it emerge as a consensus name for those various tribes of Ireland in the 11th century, but we know it was in use in earlier strata of that manuscript.  So, back to the original point - are we sure it meant only "Woodsman" in the 11th century?  Not likely.  But when?  Or did it even pass through Welsh tongues to reach a Gaelic ear?  Not necessarily.  It could just as easily done the reverse. Oghmatist (talk) 08:04, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Keep in mind too that the link you provided offers this definition: "wild irish" and "sometimes in a deragotory sense, like Paddy". Also keep in mind that in the 12th century, the Normans (using Welsh soldiers) invaded Ireland at the request of the King of Leinster to avenge himself upon the Kings of Connacht and Ulster.  Just fyi, there is that historical context again.  Could it be that this earlier known written textual evidence of a Welsh word Goidel is being penned contemporaneously with the Strongbow invasions of Ireland?  Sort of confirms the theory that the Welsh word is derived from the Gaelic Irish word.  And the word that is cognate with it also is defined as "forest" or "wood."  Again, why should we assume, automatically, that Goidel must likewise have meant "forest" or "wood" or "savage?"  It clearly has a meaning that is at least a few hundred years old, and I say that because the various tribes that lived in Ireland (as Ptolemy states in his Second Century BCE writings and maps) were willing to be grouped together as Goidel by the 11th century or earlier.  They were obviously not using the same word that their Welsh invaders were using.  And we have significant evidence of civilization, culture, poetry, song, and writings that predate the Welsh invasion by hundreds of years. So, they clearly didn't write this manuscript to suit their Welsh invaders (who were only marginally successful).  Obviously, the word Goidel meant something important and hefty and national and racial to the inhabitants of Ireland, whereas it meant something derogatory or simple to the Welsh invaders of Ireland.  I am more inclined to accept the theory that the invader mocked the native than that the native would craft a national identity around a derogatory term, particularly once you have studied native Irish history and see the degree of factionalism that existed at that time.  They united in this word.  Just like Europeans, Americans, Latinos, Asians, etc unite themselves by those words.  We all know those social acceptances of words did not happen in even 100 years.  They took hundreds of years.  So, extrapolate from that.  Oghmatist (talk) 08:15, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

 * So, Catsidhe, based on the fact that the earliest text you have is later than the Lebor Gabála Érenn, and it is written contemporaneously with a Welsh/Norman invasion of Ireland (1169)in the 12th century, and the definition itself has a known derogatory element to it, whereas the Lebor Gabála Érenn uses the word as a unifying racial national self-identifier, which is embraced by factious and warring tribes of people, and therefore must have been in use at least some period of time before the writing of Lebor Gabála Érenn, are you still convinced the "Welsh-transmission" theory is scientifically proven and undisputed, whereas the inclusion of the Lebor Gabála Érenn should only have the context "no longer believed by anybody" attached to it?   I recommend we do a rewrite of the etymology.  To continue to assert the Welsh-transmission theory as absolute fact, when it clearly smacks of "The Gaelic people named themselves for a name of derision by their Welsh invaders" makes little sense to me.  The cleverness of the linguistic is interesting.  But not proven.  Dog is the reverse of the letters of God.  Does that mean they are related? No.  Wood and Would are similar sounding.  Gunn and Gun are also similar sounding.  Does it matter if Gunn had a Gaelic origin and therefore was merely anglicized to look and sound like an etymologically unrelated word?  Why are we so quick to just accept the Welsh theory when the earliest known use of the Welsh word is LATER than the earliest known Gaelic use of its own word?  And why are we so quick to assume the two had the same meaning?  People can appropriate a word to change its meaning.  Conquest and War often entails such things.  Etymology cannot overlook that fact.  Here is my point -- the etymology of Goidel is, at least, not clear.  It cannot be said with certainty that Strongbow brought the name with him and the people of Ireland adopted it carte blanche as their racial label.  In fact, that makes no sense whatsoever.  It is far more likely and believable (and historically chronologically sensible) that the Welsh people imbued this word with this meaning after the interaction of the two people during the 12th century.  So, shouldn't we deemphasize the certitude of rightness being given the Welsh-origin theory?  And shouldn't we consider that we have extant earlier Irish manuscripts that use the word Goidel itself in a very different way?  And therefore, isn't obvious by now that because this is such an unresolved and complex matter that it isn't well-suited to a one-sentence etymology blip in a dictionary, but instead requires a scholarly article or two about it?  In short, this is unresolved.  And I can't see how we could justify putting the sentence "Derived from Welsh" into the Etymology.  The earliest known use of the word is in Old Irish, as Goidelic, and it is used as a personal name, firstly, but obviously as a back-story epic to explain its own origin, and therefore it likely is a forgotten origin.  America was named for the explorer that initially mapped it.  New Zealand was named in honor of the Dutch Province, Zeeland, that funded the expedition.  Queensland was named for the Queen.  One day, people may call themselves New Zealanders and as history goes by, what happens when they forget who or what "Zealand" even was?  And they invent a myth about "Zealand Glas" and then they are invaded by another nation that then appropriates the word "Zealand" to mean "savage, wild" and then 800 years later, we have a debate as to whether Zealand is cognate with the derogatory term, or if it is derived from "Zealand" in the north, where Danish sailors once thrived once harpooned Seals in the North Sea, etc, etc.  In short, we can end up drawing ridiculous conclusions without much more rigorous and strident methodologies.  YOu are showing me a 12th century Welsh text that uses Gwyddel derogatorily and expecting me to believe that the Irish people adopted their racial name and cultural name from Strongbow's invasion.  Show me earlier strata and maybe.  But still it doesn't mean that two similarly sounded words are etymologically related. (Zealand in Denmark or Zeeland in Netherlands...) Oghmatist (talk) 08:37, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

 * What it really comes down to, though, is that while Goídel Glás is an explanation of the origin of Goídel, it's not a particularly good one. It doesn't tell us what the word means, or what words it's related to, or how it derived, phonologically and semantically, from Proto-Celtic and PIE. It's more like saying that this is the name of that thing because that's just its name. That's not an etymology, it's a... well, it's a myth. The scholarly etymology, on the other hand, does provide these things. You disparage its derivation as "theory", but it's proved a powerful and useful one. And far more rigorous than noting the first appearance of a word in a manuscript of this old here, and that old there, therefore the language with the earlier attestation (never mind the earlier and larger corpus) must be the source language. --Catsidhe (verba, facta) 09:52, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

 * I've reworded the reference to Goídel Glas mainly because the Lebor Gabála is not a manuscript, it's a text that is found in a number of manuscripts.

 * Oghmatist, your lack of expertise on the subject of medieval Irish literary traditions was shown yesterday on Wikipedia when you edited the article on the Ulster Cycle, apparently unaware that it is not the same thing as the Annals of Ulster. Here you show you are unaware of the difference between an eponym and an etymology, or between a text and a manuscript. You have some way to go before you can consider yourself knowledgeable on the subject. I suggest you calm down, listen to other users, many of whom are more knowledgeable than you, and learn how wiki sites work.

 * The Brythonic etymology of goídel is cited to a respectable published academic source, and represents overwhelming academic consensus that will not be overturned just because you don't like it. If you want to claim there is scholarly disagreement, you're going to have to cite sources that show that. Adding "by some scholars" is a classic weasel phrase that implies scholarly disagreement without showing that any such disagreement exists. Don't do that. --Nicknack009 (talk) 13:35, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Scottish Gaelic has Gaidheal which must, surely, be from the same root. The Goídel Glas reference belongs in Wikipedia, not Wiktionary (and it's certainly not a separate etymology).    D b f  i  r  s   21:53, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Are there any known written sources of the word Goídel in ancient Ireland aside from An Lebor Gabála? Also, do we know for 100% fact that the word Goídel comes from the Brythonic word for 'wild man', or is there a possibility that it comes from another word? I'd appreciate it if anyone can tell me, as I am no linguist. Just a linguistic layman with an interest in Gaeilge. Thanks. (Inis Thiar (talk))

title: Talk:Goídel


text:
pilão

Etymology
Borrowed from or.

Noun

 * 1) pestle instrument used with a mortar to grind things
 * 2) a large, wooden mortar used to mash food

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: pilão


text:
ꦲꦏꦸ

Alternative forms

 * (suffix)

Etymology
From, from , from.

Pronoun

 * 1) I personal pronoun
 * 2) me direct object of a verb
 * 3) me object of a preposition
 * 4) me indirect object of a verb
 * 5) my belonging to me
 * 1) my belonging to me

title: ꦲꦏꦸ


text:
User talk:MrOneTime

One time! Hit me

title: User talk:MrOneTime


text:
ꦏꦸ

Etymology
Shortened form of, from , from , from.

Pronoun

 * 1) I personal pronoun
 * 2) me direct object of a verb
 * 3) me object of a preposition
 * 4) me indirect object of a verb
 * 5) my belonging to me

title: ꦏꦸ


text:
ᯀᯂᯬ

Etymology
From, from.

Pronoun

 * 1) I personal pronoun
 * 2) me direct object of a verb
 * 3) me object of a preposition
 * 4) me indirect object of a verb
 * 5) my belonging to me

title: ᯀᯂᯬ


text:
ꦩꦔꦤ꧀

Verb

 * 1) to eat

title: ꦩꦔꦤ꧀


text:
jancuk

Etymology
.

Interjection

 * 1)  damn!

Usage notes
There are many alternative forms for this interjection, see the corresponding Wikipedia page.

title: jancuk


text:
pimenta-da-jamaica

Noun

 * 1) allspice spice made from the fruits of the tree

title: pimenta-da-jamaica


text: ꦮꦼꦭꦶꦫꦁ

title: ꦮꦼꦭꦶꦫꦁ


text:
Citations:bae

Noun: "(slang) darling"

 * 2013, "Jack", "Jack & Jill: On High School Relationships", The Torch (St. John's University), Volume 91, Issue 5, 28 August 2013, page 9:
 * And if you actually want to see your bae – you know, like in person – You [sic] better set aside some of your refund check to pay for the $26 train ticket to a school that lingers outside of the tri-state area.
 * 2014, Memo Jiménez, "Crème brûlée", Cream City Magazine, Number 23, February/March 2014, page 48:
 * Imagine going on a cruise with your bae and then you never come back because some silly iceberg.
 * 2014, Dylan Brockmeyer, "Superbowl season", Trinity News (Trinity College Dublin), Volume 60, Issue 6, 11 February 2014, page 23:
 * Even if you haven’t watched the teams during the regular season or at all, even if your “bae” roots for the blue team because the bird looks cooler than the horse, everyone has a great time upholding their traditions.
 * 2014, Laken Howard, "Pillow Talk: Let's talk about V-day", The Current (entertainment insert of The Daily Northwestern, Northwestern University), 13 February 2014, page 3:
 * Your newsfeed gets clogged with statuses like “Happy Valentine’s Day to my bae! I’ve loved you so much ever since we first met three months, eight days, 11 hours and 27 minutes ago!”
 * 2014, Anonymous, "Valentine's Day Shout-Outs", Paw Prints Weekly (Glen A. Wilson High School, Hacienda Heights, California), Volume 46, Issue 14, 14 February 2014, page 6:
 * Kae will you be my bae?
 * 2014, "Clemsonbab," "Public Displays Of Annoyance: The Do's and Don'ts", The Black Sheep (Clemson University), Volume 4, Issue 4, 20 February 2014 - 3 March 2014, page 6:
 * The last thing anyone needs to see after emerging from the 1st floor dungeon at 3a.m. is you and your “bae” spending your study break eating each other’s faces on Library Bridge.
 * 2014, Bailey Fritcher, "She said", The Stang (Houston Christian High School, Houston, Texas), Volume 13, Edition 6, March 2014, page 14:
 * Twitter is used for one million different things but sometimes couples will tweet, "Love my bae," or "Happy one week."
 * 2014, Jessica Jackson, "Editor's Letter", True Star, Spring 2014, page 6:
 * Thinking about breaking it off with your bae? We give you a few good reasons why you should do it in our Young Luv section.
 * 2014, "How Steamy Is Your PDA?", Seventeen, June/July 2014, page 98:
 * A fresh pic of you and your bae on vacay together? Who wouldn't “like” that?!?

title: Citations:bae


text:
ᮝᮜᮤᮛᮀ

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) sulfur element

title: ᮝᮜᮤᮛᮀ


text:
pimenta-do-reino

Noun

 * 1) black pepper, a flowering vine
 * 2) black pepper the fruits of the black pepper plant used as spice

title: pimenta-do-reino


text:
ꦗꦫꦤ꧀

Alternative forms

 * Carakan:
 * Roman: ,

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) horse
 * 2)  knight
 * 1)  knight

title: ꦗꦫꦤ꧀


text:
ꦕꦺꦭꦺꦁ

Etymology
, probably from  (compare to 🇨🇬).

Noun

 * 1) wild boar

title: ꦕꦺꦭꦺꦁ


text:
hê-rô-in

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) heroin

title: hê-rô-in


text:
ꦊꦩ꧀ꦧꦸ

Etymology
, probably from.

Noun

 * 1) cattle domesticated bovine animals

title: ꦊꦩ꧀ꦧꦸ


text:
Logos

Etymology
From.

Proper noun

 * 1)  In Ancient Greek philosophy, the rational principle that governs the cosmos.
 * 2)  The Word of God, which itself has creative power; a hypostasis associated with divine wisdom.
 * 3)  The Word of God as incarnate in Jesus Christ, or as identified with the second person of the Trinity; Jesus; God the Son; Word of God.

Translations

 * Finnish:
 * Greek:
 * Icelandic: rök, hin hinstu rök
 * Portuguese: Logos
 * Serbo-Croatian:
 * Turkish: ,
 * Ukrainian:

 * Chinese:
 * Cantonese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Finnish: Sana, Logos
 * Greek:
 * Persian: ,
 * Portuguese: Logos
 * Serbo-Croatian:
 * Turkish: ,
 * Ukrainian: Ло́гос

 * Albanian: Fjala
 * Arabic: كلمة الله
 * Armenian:
 * Burmese: နှုတ်ကပတ်တော်သည်
 * Chinese:
 * Cantonese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Danish: Ordet
 * Finnish: Logos
 * German:
 * Greek:
 * Hindi:
 * Hungarian: Íge, Ige
 * Icelandic: orðið
 * Indonesian: Firman
 * Japanese:
 * Korean:
 * Kurdish:
 * Central Kurdish: وشەکە
 * Odia:
 * Persian:
 * Portuguese: Logos
 * Punjabi:
 * Serbo-Croatian:, Reč, Riječ
 * Sinhalese: වාක්‍යයාණෝ
 * Tajik: Калом
 * Urdu:
 * Vietnamese: Thiên Ngôn

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Proper noun

 * 1)   rational principle in Ancient Greek philosophy
 * 2)   the word of God

title: Logos


text: kaalta

title: kaalta


text:
tirolês

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) Tyrolean of or relating to Tyrol

Noun

 * 1) Tyrolean someone from Tyrol

title: tirolês


text: totô

title: totô


text:
toxicologia

Noun

 * 1) toxicology scientific study of poisons

title: toxicologia


text:
toxicologista

Noun

 * 1) toxicologist scientist specialised in toxicology

title: toxicologista


text:
chutney ferret

Etymology
From (as a euphemism for excrement) +, a reference to anal sex.

Noun

 * 1)  A homosexual man.

Synonyms

 * See Thesaurus:male homosexual.

title: chutney ferret


text:
topológico

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1)  topological of or relating to topology

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1)  topological

title: topológico


text: chutney ferrets

title: chutney ferrets


text:
τρόικα

Etymology
Ultimately from, from

Noun

 * 1) troika Russian sleigh
 * 2) troika group of three, usually referring to people in power

title: τρόικα


text:
αβάρα

Interjection

 * 1)  order to fend off
 * 2)  in the phrases:

Verb

 * fend off!

title: αβάρα


text:
αβαράρω

Etymology
Borrowed from with development of  form.

Verb

 * 1)  to fend off, push away

title: αβαράρω


text:
αβαρεσιά

Noun

 * 1) willingness, diligence

title: αβαρεσιά


text:
μαρκαδοράκι

Noun

 * 1) hypocoristic or diminutive of μαρκαδόρος

title: μαρκαδοράκι


text:
코알라

Etymology
From, from.

Noun

 * 1) koala (marsupial)

title: 코알라


text:
사슴

Noun

 * 1) deer

title: 사슴


text:
악어

Noun

 * 1) crocodilian (crocodile, alligator, gavial)

title: 악어


text: 鰐魚

title: 鰐魚


text: σκερπάνι

title: σκερπάνι


text:
판다

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) panda

title: 판다


text: kiemgroentes

title: kiemgroentes


text: kiemgroenten

title: kiemgroenten


text: kiemgroentetje

title: kiemgroentetje


text: kiemgroentetjes

title: kiemgroentetjes


text:
조랑말

Noun

 * 1) pony

title: 조랑말


text:
Thread:User talk:CodeCat/Latin iecur genitive iocineris not so much iecineris

You've done work on Latin so you might want to look at this ... standard references on PIE etc. typically mention Latin iecur as having genitive iocineris, with iecinoris a late form. Wiktionary lists iecinoris as the genitive of iecur, whereas iocineris is claimed to be the genitive of iocur, which I suspect is an even later form back-formed on iocineris. This should be fixed.


text:
하이에나

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) hyena

title: 하이에나


text:
σκηνοθέτρια

Noun

 * 1)  director

title: σκηνοθέτρια


text: kiemingen

title: kiemingen


text: kiemvlekje

title: kiemvlekje


text: kiemvlekjes

title: kiemvlekjes


text: kiesdistricten

title: kiesdistricten


text: kiesdistrictje

title: kiesdistrictje


text: kiesdistrictjes

title: kiesdistrictjes


text: kiespijnen

title: kiespijnen


text: kiespijntje

title: kiespijntje


text: kiespijntjes

title: kiespijntjes


text: kietelbeurten

title: kietelbeurten


text: kietelbeurtje

title: kietelbeurtje


text: kietelbeurtjes

title: kietelbeurtjes


text: kinderartsje

title: kinderartsje


text: kinderartsjes

title: kinderartsjes


text:
croche-pied

Noun

 * 1) trip (action of tripping someone)

title: croche-pied


text: croche-pieds

title: croche-pieds


text: 沙魚

title: 沙魚


text: kinderdagverblijfje

title: kinderdagverblijfje


text: kinderdagverblijfjes

title: kinderdagverblijfjes


text: kindermeisjes

title: kindermeisjes


text: kluten

title: kluten


text: kluutje

title: kluutje


text: kluutjes

title: kluutjes


text: kindermishandelingen

title: kindermishandelingen


text:
Макаревич

Etymology
, from the common Slavic given name.

Declension
The feminine form is indeclinable.

title: Макаревич


text: Category:Russian surnames from Belarusian


text:
polychoric

Adjective

 * 1)  Of or pertaining to the use of more than one chorus; that uses or is intended to use more than one chorus.
 * 2)  Of or pertaining to the relationship between two latent variables, each assumed to have a normal distribution and associated with an ordinal variable.
 * 3) * 2007, Bruno D. Zumbo, 3: Validity: Foundation Issues and Statistical Methodology, C. R. Rao, S. Sinharay (editors), Handbook of Statistics, Volume 26: Psychometrics, page 66,
 * Because the CES-D items are ordinal in nature (i.e., in our case a four-point response scale, and hence not continuous), a polychoric covariance matrix was used as input for the analyses.
 * 1)  Of or pertaining to the relationship between two latent variables, each assumed to have a normal distribution and associated with an ordinal variable.
 * 2) * 2007, Bruno D. Zumbo, 3: Validity: Foundation Issues and Statistical Methodology, C. R. Rao, S. Sinharay (editors), Handbook of Statistics, Volume 26: Psychometrics, page 66,
 * Because the CES-D items are ordinal in nature (i.e., in our case a four-point response scale, and hence not continuous), a polychoric covariance matrix was used as input for the analyses.

Usage notes
The statistics term occurs chiefly in the collocation.

Translations

 * French:

Noun

 * 1) A polychoric correlation

title: polychoric


text:
咩話

Phrase

 * 1)  pardon; sorry used to ask someone to repeat something not heard or understood clearly

Interjection

 * 1)  What?

title: 咩話


text: 咩话

title: 咩话


text: kindertijden

title: kindertijden


text: kindertijdje

title: kindertijdje


text: kindertijdjes

title: kindertijdjes


text: dryshod

title: dryshod


text: legemlige

title: legemlige


text:
ເອີຣົບ

Etymology
.

Adjective

 * 1) European.

Noun

 * 1) European.

Usage notes

 * The letter is officially obsolete yet remains in widespread use. Words spelled with ຣ all have an equivalent spelled with ລ which is nominally more official or standard. Which is more popular for a given Lao word is partly arbitrary.

 * Other spellings exist in dictionaries and are due to borrowing from English, yet they are seldom used:, , ..

title: ເອີຣົບ


text:
អឺរ៉ុប

Etymology
From.

Proper noun

 * 1) Europe
 * 2) Europa (god)
 * 3) Europa (moon)

title: អឺរ៉ុប


text:
Thread:User talk:CodeCat/Latin iecur genitive iocineris not so much iecineris/reply

I don't know enough about Latin to comment on this. I think it would be better to bring it up on the Tea Room.


text: kinderverhaaltje

title: kinderverhaaltje


text: trulige

title: trulige


text: kinderverhaaltjes

title: kinderverhaaltjes


text: kinstukken

title: kinstukken


text: kinstukje

title: kinstukje


text: kinstukjes

title: kinstukjes


text:
dublu

Etymology
Compare 🇨🇬; cf. French. Ultimately from. See also, from Greek.

Adjective

 * 1) double

Adverb

 * 1) double, twofold

Etymology
, itself from.

Adjective

 * 1) double

title: dublu


title: Template:R:hy:Sargsyan:2013


text:
demi-volée

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  half volley

title: demi-volée


text: demi-volées

title: demi-volées


text: utrulige

title: utrulige


text:
dopleâ

Etymology
From, present active infinitive of.

Verb

 * 1)  to double, duplicate

title: dopleâ


text:
Thread:User talk:CodeCat/Latin iecur genitive iocineris not so much iecineris/reply (2)

Brought up in Tea Room.


text:
aparler

Verb

 * 1) to talk to

title: aparler


text: ufattelige

title: ufattelige


text: kippenhokjes

title: kippenhokjes


text:
Module:fi-utilities

local export = {}

function export.make_weak(before, strong, after, check) local weak = strong if strong == "pp" then weak = "p" elseif strong == "tt" then weak = "t" elseif strong == "kk" then weak = "k" elseif strong == "bb" then weak = "b" elseif strong == "dd" then weak = "d" elseif strong == "gg" then weak = "g" elseif strong == "p" then if mw.ustring.find(before, "p$") then weak = "" elseif mw.ustring.find(before, "m$") then weak = "m" else weak = "v" end elseif strong == "t" then if mw.ustring.find(before, "t$") then weak = "" elseif mw.ustring.find(before, "[lnr]$") then weak = mw.ustring.sub(before, -1) else weak = "d" end elseif strong == "k" then if mw.ustring.find(before, "k$") then weak = "" elseif mw.ustring.find(before, "n$") then weak = "g" elseif mw.ustring.find(before, "[hlr]$") and mw.ustring.find(after, "^e") then weak = "j" elseif mw.ustring.find(before .. "|" .. after, "[^aeiouyäö]([uy])|%1") then weak = "v" else weak = "" end elseif strong == "ik" then weak = "j" elseif strong == "mp" then weak = "mm" elseif strong == "lt" then weak = "ll" elseif strong == "nt" then weak = "nn" elseif strong == "rt" then weak = "rr" elseif strong == "nk" then weak = "ng" end if weak ~= check then require("Module:debug").track("fi-utilities/make weak mismatch") end end

return export

title: Module:fi-utilities


text: Module:fi-utilities/documentation

title: Module:fi-utilities/documentation


text:
kioea

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) Any of the species † of extinct Hawaiian birds.

title: kioea


text: kistjes

title: kistjes


text:
տնջրի

Etymology
As shown by Martirosyan, derived from through metathesis.

Noun

 * 1)  plane tree
 * 2)  poplar
 * 1)  poplar

title: տնջրի


text: søtlige

title: søtlige


text:
agenoillier

Verb

 * 1)  to kneel; to kneel down

title: agenoillier


text: kitjes

title: kitjes


text: kleerkastjes

title: kleerkastjes


text: klerenkastjes

title: klerenkastjes


text:
կոմսուհի

Noun

 * 1) countess

title: կոմսուհի


text: Template:fro-conj-chaloir

title: Template:fro-conj-chaloir


text:
aerophane

Etymology
From, or from.

Noun

 * 1) A thin fabric resembling crape

Translations

 * French:

title: aerophane


text: aerophanes

title: aerophanes


text:
Ameritard

Noun

 * 1)  A stupid or ignorant American.

title: Ameritard


text: Ameritards

title: Ameritards


text:
bullyproof

Verb

 * 1)  To make resistant to bullying.
 * to bullyproof a child or a classroom

title: bullyproof


text: bullyproofs

title: bullyproofs


text: bullyproofing

title: bullyproofing


text: bullyproofed

title: bullyproofed


text: utømmelige

title: utømmelige


text:
Bath chaps

Etymology
Named after the city of Bath in England.

Noun

 * 1) The salted smoked cheek and jawbones of a pig, used as food.

title: Bath chaps


text:
cake plate

Noun

 * 1) A dish designed to serve cake.

Translations

 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Danish:
 * Finnish: kakkuvati, kakkualusta
 * German: Tortenteller
 * Kazakh:
 * Persian:
 * Portuguese:
 * Russian: подста́вка для торта
 * Spanish:
 * Swedish: tårtfat

title: cake plate


text:
cotton ball

Noun

 * 1) A ball of cotton wool.

Translations

 * German: Wattebällchen, Wattekugel
 * Russian: ватный шарик
 * Swedish:

title: cotton ball


text:
coventure

Noun

 * 1) An international coproduction set up in the absence of any official treaty between the countries.

title: coventure


text: coventures

title: coventures


text:
coventurer

Noun

 * 1) Any of the parties involved in producing a coventure.

title: coventurer


text: coventurers

title: coventurers


text:
crowd manipulation

Noun

 * 1) The deliberate use of psychological techniques to direct the behavior of a crowd.

title: crowd manipulation


text:
consanguineously

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) In a consanguineous fashion; by blood relationship.

title: consanguineously


text: consanguinously

title: consanguinously


text:
cut-and-try

Adjective

 * 1) Done by trial and error, without precise calculation in advance.

title: cut-and-try


text: enarmes

title: enarmes


text: reigne

title: reigne


text: reignes

title: reignes


text:
evilutionist

Noun

 * 1)  A supporter of the theory of evolution, regarded as an enemy of religion.

title: evilutionist


text: evilutionists

title: evilutionists


text:
resistant materials

Noun

 * 1)  A school subject combining elements of woodwork, metalwork and plastic-work, sometimes a module of a larger design and technology syllabus.

Synonyms

 * shop class

title: resistant materials


text:
midbeat

Adverb

 * 1) In the middle of a beat (of a heart, of music etc.)

Noun

 * 1) The middle of a beat (of a heart, music etc.)

title: midbeat


text:
face cream

Noun

 * 1) A cosmetic cream used to moisturize the face.

Translations

 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Dutch:
 * Finnish:
 * Latin: lōmentum
 * Polish: krem do twarzy
 * Portuguese: creme facial
 * Swedish: ansiktskräm

title: face cream


text: face creams

title: face creams


text: uhorvelige

title: uhorvelige


text: filecard

title: filecard


text: filecards

title: filecards


text:
尊皇論

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) royalism: the idea to respect the king (or queen)

title: 尊皇論


text:
そんのうろん

Noun

 * 1)  the idea to respect the king (or queen)

title: そんのうろん


text: sonnōron

title: sonnōron


text: 脚盆族

title: 脚盆族


text:
腳盆族

Etymology
+.

Noun

 * 1)  the Japanese people

title: 腳盆族


text:
midtest

Noun

 * 1) A test administered partway through a course of instruction.

title: midtest


text: midtests

title: midtests


text:
backstep

Noun

 * 1) A step backwards
 * 2)  An abrupt subsidence or change in deposition preserved in the sedimentary record due to a marine transgression.
 * 3)  Flow over a backward-facing step.
 * 4) The process of going back and finishing a specification that was incomplete at the start of a process, once enough progress has been made to know the full details.
 * 5) A platform at the rear of a firetruck where a firefighter can stand.
 * 1) The process of going back and finishing a specification that was incomplete at the start of a process, once enough progress has been made to know the full details.
 * 2) A platform at the rear of a firetruck where a firefighter can stand.
 * 1) A platform at the rear of a firetruck where a firefighter can stand.

Verb

 * 1) To take a step backwards
 * 2) To return to a previous place or time.
 * 3) To retract or take back.
 * 4) To be arranged in steps going backwards.
 * 5)  To recede in an abrupt fashion due to marine transgression.
 * 6) To finish a specification that was initially incomplete once enough progress has been made to know all the details.
 * 1)  To recede in an abrupt fashion due to marine transgression.
 * 2) To finish a specification that was initially incomplete once enough progress has been made to know all the details.
 * 1) To finish a specification that was initially incomplete once enough progress has been made to know all the details.
 * 1) To finish a specification that was initially incomplete once enough progress has been made to know all the details.

title: backstep


text:
one-upwomanship

Etymology
, by analogy with.

Noun

 * 1) One-upmanship among women.

title: one-upwomanship


text:
uterosacral ligament

Noun

 * 1)  Any of the major ligaments travelling from the uterus to the anterior aspect of the sacrum.

title: uterosacral ligament


text:
spearshaft

Etymology
From ; equivalent to.

Noun

 * 1) The shaft of a spear

Translations

 * Armenian:
 * Old Armenian: նիզակաբուն
 * Middle English: spere schaft

title: spearshaft


text: spearshafts

title: spearshafts


text: backstepped

title: backstepped


text: backsteps

title: backsteps


text: darkeys

title: darkeys


text:
criolla

Noun

 * 1) A genre of Cuban music.

Noun

 * 1) a style of music from Cuba, in 6/8 time

title: criolla


text: criollas

title: criollas


text:
spear closet

Noun

 * 1)  A small irregular space left by the building of other rooms in a structure.

title: spear closet


text: spear closets

title: spear closets


text:
shortline

Noun

 * 1)  An independent railroad company that operates over a relatively short distance.

title: shortline


text:
brown pound

Noun

 * 1)  the perceived purchasing power of Britain’s Black and Asian minorities as a group
 * 2) * 27 September 2004, Sunday Times:
 * MUCH has been said about the value of the pink pound, the grey pound and the brown pound'.

title: brown pound


text:
smartsizing

Noun

 * 1)  downsizing

title: smartsizing


text: shortlines

title: shortlines


text: criollos

title: criollos


text: smack bang

title: smack bang


text:
relatch

Verb

 * 1) To latch again

title: relatch


text: relatched

title: relatched


text: sonsie

title: sonsie


text: relatches

title: relatches


text: relatching

title: relatching


text:
sonopuncture

Noun

 * 1) A form of acupuncture using sound instead of needles.

title: sonopuncture


text:
nutcake

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) A cake made with nuts
 * 2)  A crazy person

Translations

 * Finnish: pähkinäkakku
 * German: ,
 * Polish:
 * Romanian: prăjitură cu nucă

title: nutcake


text: nutcakes

title: nutcakes


text: ame ga shita shiru

title: ame ga shita shiru


text: photogs

title: photogs


text: Template:fro-conj-eissir

title: Template:fro-conj-eissir


text:
survivor guilt

Noun

 * 1) A mental condition that occurs when a person perceives themselves to have done wrong by surviving a traumatic event while others did not.

Translations

 * Finnish: eloonjääneen syyllisyys
 * French: syndrome du survivant, culpabilité du survivant
 * Polish: syndrom KZ

title: survivor guilt


text: spitoon

title: spitoon


text: spitoons

title: spitoons


text: survivor syndrome

title: survivor syndrome


text:
slender loris

Noun

 * 1) Any of the genus Loris of lorises native to India and Sri Lanka.

Derived terms

 * red slender loris

title: slender loris


text: slender lorises

title: slender lorises


text:
stomick

Noun

 * 1)  stomach

title: stomick


text: stomicks

title: stomicks


text:
neuronic

Adjective

 * 1) neuronal

title: neuronic


text:
psychoanalysable

Adjective

 * 1) Suitable for psychoanalysis.

title: psychoanalysable


text:
telepolitics

Noun

 * 1) The use of telecommunications or television broadcasts as a tool in politics.

title: telepolitics


text:
out back

Adverb

 * 1)  Outside at the back.
 * My car is parked out back.

title: out back


text:
emploiier

Etymology
From, present active infinitive of.

Verb

 * 1)  to fold (something) on itself
 * 2)  to use; to make use of

title: emploiier


text:
Talk:Gollum

Er, Gollum has "multiple personality disorder"? Who diagnosed him? I'd like to see sources for that. Equinox ◑ 11:59, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I removed that. --Dan Polansky (talk) 08:32, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

title: Talk:Gollum


text:
encroistre

Etymology
From, present active infinitive of.

Verb

 * 1) to increase

title: encroistre


text:
Talk:Foolah

The term Foolah is an alternate spelling of Fulah, now more commonly Fula (aka Fulani). Entries from the 1913 Websters can be consulted here for reference. The Fula people do indeed live in the vicinity of in Mali, but also in other parts of that country and in much of the rest of West Africa.--A12n (talk) 12:06, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

title: Talk:Foolah


text:
Baader-Meinhof phenomenon

Etymology
Named in 1994 after the West German of the 1970s, when a commentator unexpectedly heard two references to the group within 24 hours.

Noun

 * 1) A cognitive bias by which a recently learned word, concept, etc. suddenly seems to appear with improbable frequency.

title: Baader-Meinhof phenomenon


text:
enditier

Etymology
From, from.

Verb

 * 1) to dictate
 * 2) to explain
 * 3) to write down; to record in writing

title: enditier


text:
impostor syndrome

Etymology
First observed as by Pauline R. Clance and Suzanne A. Imes in 1978.

Noun

 * 1)  A psychological phenomenon in which a person is unable to internalize his or her accomplishments, remaining convinced that he or she does not deserve any accompanying success.

Translations

 * Arabic: متلازمة المحتال
 * Armenian: ինքնակոչի համախտանիշ
 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin: 冒名頂替綜合症
 * Dutch: oplichterssyndroom, bedriegerssyndroom, bedriegersfenomeen
 * Finnish: huijarisyndrooma
 * French: syndrome de l'imposteur, syndrome de l'autodidacte
 * German: Impostor-Syndrom, Impostor-Phänomen, Betrüger-Phänomen, Hochstapler-Syndrom, Mogelpackungs-Syndrom
 * Greek: σύνδρομο του απατεώνα
 * Hebrew: תסמונת המתחזה
 * Indonesian: sindrom penyemu
 * Italian: sindrome dell'impostore
 * Japanese: インポスター症候群
 * Korean: 가면증후군, 가면현상
 * Kurdish:
 * Central Kurdish: کۆنیشانی فریودەر
 * Latin: syndroma impostoris
 * Norwegian:
 * Bokmål: bedragersyndromet
 * Persian: سندرم ایمپاستر
 * Polish: syndrom oszusta
 * Portuguese: síndrome do impostor, síndrome da fraude, fenómeno do impostor
 * Russian:
 * Spanish: síndrome del impostor, síndrome de fraude, fenómeno del impostor
 * Swedish: bluffsyndromet
 * Turkish: sahtekar sendromu
 * Ukrainian: синдро́м самозва́нця

title: impostor syndrome


text:
Dunning-Kruger effect

Etymology
on Wikipedia, based on the earlier name Dunning-Kruger syndrome (coined by Wikipedia user Uucp in 2005), named for and  of Cornell University, who studied the phenomenon.

Noun

 * 1)   A cognitive bias by which an unskilled individual suffers from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability as much higher than it actually is.

title: Dunning-Kruger effect


text:
aisleway

Noun

 * 1) Aisle clear path between seats.

title: aisleway


text:
superestresante

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) extremely stressful

title: superestresante


text: superestresantes

title: superestresantes


text: User:Rua/Finnish unusual gradations

title: User:Rua/Finnish unusual gradations


text:
insteada

Etymology
Written form of a of.

title: insteada


text: springcleaning

title: springcleaning


text:
mock-heroic

Adjective

 * 1)  Pertaining to a literary mode in which trivial subjects or characters are treated using the elaborate language devices of the heroic style.

Translations

 * Irish: scig-ghaisciúil

Noun

 * 1)  A work in the mockheroic style.

title: mock-heroic


text: velcros

title: velcros


text: velcroing

title: velcroing


text: velcroed

title: velcroed


text:
floorboarding

Etymology 2
From.

Noun

 * 1) The floorboards in a building or part thereof.

title: floorboarding


text:
floorboarded

Adjective

 * 1) Covered or furnished with floorboards.

title: floorboarded


text: kattenjongen

title: kattenjongen


text:
floursack

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) A sack for flour.
 * 2) Sackcloth.

title: floursack


text: floursacks

title: floursacks


text:
millowner

Noun

 * 1) The owner of a mill

title: millowner


text: millowners

title: millowners


text: tobaccer

title: tobaccer


text: tobaccers

title: tobaccers


text: mischiefe

title: mischiefe


text: forrader

title: forrader


text:
envoiier

Etymology
From older, from , from.

Verb

 * 1)  to send

title: envoiier


text: Category:Bambara verb forms

title: Category:Bambara verb forms


text: kittentje

title: kittentje


text: kittentjes

title: kittentjes


text: uheldige

title: uheldige


text: Category:Bambara non-lemma forms

title: Category:Bambara non-lemma forms


text:
hitchrack

Noun

 * 1) A post or railing to which horses are tied

title: hitchrack


text:
bowwoman

Noun

 * 1) A female archer.
 * 2) * 1874, The Gentleman's Magazine (part 2, page 164)
 * And if we may compare modern with ancient archery the performances of some of our bowmen and bowwomen may be said to fairly rival the historic and partly fabulous exploits of famous mediaeval archers

title: bowwoman


text: bowwomen

title: bowwomen


text:
hitch rack

Noun

 * 1)  (post for tying a horse)
 * 2) A rack attached to the back of a car, used to transport bicycles or skis.

title: hitch rack


text: hitchracks

title: hitchracks


text:
hitchrail

Noun

 * 1) A post or railing to which horses are tied

title: hitchrail


text: hitchrails

title: hitchrails


text:
proddy

Etymology 1
From.

Noun

 * 1)  A technique for achieving three-dimensional effects or deep pile by using cut wide strips rather than continuous loops, bringing both tails of the strips forward through the backing.

title: proddy


text: proddies

title: proddies


text:
niminy-piminy

Adjective

 * 1) overtly or excessively prim

Noun

 * 1) affected delicacy; mincingness

title: niminy-piminy


text:
Talk:tufin

This seems to be a generic term. There are other (separate) vernacular names for these two similar species.--A12n (talk) 12:58, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

title: Talk:tufin


text:
overstarch

Verb

 * 1) To starch excessively

title: overstarch


text:
-gasag

Suffix

 * aagasappoq - It is stained with blood.
 * aputerasappoq - There are patches of snow.
 * aputerasappoq - There are patches of snow.

title: -gasag


text: overstarched

title: overstarched


text: overstarches

title: overstarches


text: overstarching

title: overstarching


text: flibberty-gibbets

title: flibberty-gibbets


text: chickory

title: chickory


text: sheriffing

title: sheriffing


text: sheriffed

title: sheriffed


text: heldige

title: heldige


text:
sheriffwick

Etymology
From ; equivalent to.

Noun

 * 1) The area of jurisdiction of a sheriff.
 * 2) The position or office of a sheriff.
 * 1) The position or office of a sheriff.

title: sheriffwick


text: sheriffwicks

title: sheriffwicks


text:
-gasaar

Suffix

 * 1) be stained with [noun]

Usage notes
Initial -g- becomes -r- after -q and -tï (likewise for -gasag).

title: -gasaar


text:
undertoned

Adjective

 * 1) Not sufficiently toned.

Adjective

 * 1)  Having an undertone of a specified kind.

title: undertoned


text:
theyself

Pronoun

 * 1)  themselves

title: theyself


text: balansan

title: balansan


text: shortcutting

title: shortcutting


text: shortcutted

title: shortcutted


text: lovenest

title: lovenest


text: lovenests

title: lovenests


text: guttapercha

title: guttapercha


text: guttaperchas

title: guttaperchas


text:
goosie

Noun

 * 1)  goose

title: goosie


text:
orsoq

Etymology
From. Cognates include 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) blubber, fat
 * 2) grease, oil
 * 3) seal oil

title: orsoq


text: glammed

title: glammed


text: glams

title: glams


text: glamming

title: glamming


text: quicke

title: quicke


text: maintaine

title: maintaine


text:
Faidherbia albida

Hypernyms

 * - order; - family;  - subfamily;  - tribe;  - genus

title: Faidherbia albida


text:
uqsruq

Etymology
From, from. Cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) oil
 * 2) seal oil

title: uqsruq


text: beered

title: beered


text: beering

title: beering


text: watersnake

title: watersnake


text: watersnakes

title: watersnakes


text:
water snake

Noun

 * 1) A snake that resides in, or spends a lot of time in, fresh water
 * 2) A toy consisting of a liquid and (optionally) plastic trinkets encased in a long, soft, plastic torus. It is difficult to grip.

Translations

 * Abinomn: moi, moirom, moigon
 * Finnish: vesikäärme
 * Greek:
 * Ancient: ὕδρος
 * Hindi: दुंदुभ, डोंड़हा,
 * Latin:

 * Japanese: にょろにょろ棒

 * Portuguese:

title: water snake


text:
ᐅᖅᓱᖅ

Etymology
From. Cognates include 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) oil, blubber

title: ᐅᖅᓱᖅ


text:
skazka

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) A Russian fairy tale

title: skazka


text: skazki

title: skazki


text: skazkas

title: skazkas


text: goosies

title: goosies


text:
utálatos

Adjective

 * 1) disgusting, abominable, detestable

title: utálatos


text: utálatosabb

title: utálatosabb


text: legutálatosabb

title: legutálatosabb


text:
پلکان

Noun

 * 1) stairs, staircase

title: پلکان


text:
repulsor

Noun

 * 1)  A device used to deflect or repel other objects, or for flight stability.

Derived terms

 * repulsor beam

title: repulsor


text: inlinings

title: inlinings


text: repulsors

title: repulsors


text: smockfrock

title: smockfrock


text: side boob

title: side boob


text: side-boob

title: side-boob


text: side boobs

title: side boobs


text: side-boobs

title: side-boobs


text: Muslimophobia

title: Muslimophobia


text:
Muslimophobic

Adjective

 * 1) * 2010, Asef Bayat, Being Young and Muslim: New Cultural Politics in the Politics in the Global South and North. - Page 298
 * Muslim positions meanwhile which previously were identified for the most part with the extreme right have increasingly come to be respectable and mainstream
 * 1) * 2014 Frank Peter, Islamic Movements of Europe: - Page 217
 * At that time, the new mosque and the foundations, which had already been widely criticised from different Muslimophobic angles, far from being a space for knowledge and dissemination of the Din of Islam, a gathering place, became more like a new place not to meet the rest of the population
 * 1) * 2012, Daniel Faas, Negotiating Political Identities, p 106
 * The teachers I interviewed at Goethe Gymnasium seemed to ally the concept of Europe with multiculturalism whereas, at Tannberg, education was more Eurocentric with some teachers getting close to being Muslimophobic.
 * The teachers I interviewed at Goethe Gymnasium seemed to ally the concept of Europe with multiculturalism whereas, at Tannberg, education was more Eurocentric with some teachers getting close to being Muslimophobic.

title: Muslimophobic


text:
Talk:Aldersgate Street

Aldersgate Street
"A street leading north from London Wall towards Clerkenwell." Unlike e.g. 24 Sussex Drive there is no metonymy here, and we are not a street atlas. Equinox ◑ 13:44, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep: I find some intrinsic value in this being here Purplebackpack89  (Notes Taken) (Locker) 15:03, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you have any reason to want to keep this? If so, what it is? Renard Migrant (talk) 15:53, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * And how does this "finding" in any way comport with WT:CFI? Delete DCDuring TALK 15:11, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I disagree with this particular interpretation of CFI. There also isn't a dang thing in CFI about roads or streets.  We are being overly restrictive and deleting too much stuff, and these two deletions are a perfect example of that.  Purplebackpack89  (Notes Taken) (Locker) 16:42, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if it's covered by CFI (yet), but common sense would suggest we avoid this: what you said about CFI applies equally to Main Street. How many cities, towns, hamlets, burgs and other assorted places in the US don't have a Main Street? Chuck Entz (talk) 22:09, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Well CFI isn't CFE; it's not criteria for exclusion it's criteria for inclusion . How does this meet any of them? When you say "I disagree with this particular interpretation of CFI", what interpretation is this? Renard Migrant (talk) 14:31, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. - -sche (discuss) 16:54, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

 * There was an underground station named "Aldersgate Street" opened in 1865, but it is now named "Barbican" after two name changes (since 1968). Donnanz (talk) 17:13, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * By coincidence, that is where Wikimania 2014 is being held. Cheers! bd2412 T 17:31, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * OTOH Aldersgate (at 17:46, 21 June 2014 (UTC) a redirect to Aldersgate Street) would seem to be lexical in that it refers metonymously to a critical event in the life of and the history of . It is analogous to road to Damascus. I only found one citation at Google books that has that same interpretation. DCDuring TALK  17:46, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * See [[Aldersgate]]. DCDuring TALK 18:40, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Good. Somebody added that  Purplebackpack89  (Notes Taken) (Locker) 21:03, 21 June 2014 (UTC) A Methodist

 * Delete This can easily get ridiculous.--Prosfilaes (talk) 21:42, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Dmol (talk) 22:45, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete (same as below). Renard Migrant (talk) 14:34, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete, not because it's a street name, but because it's generally considered as a name, but not as a word (unlike e.g. Strand, Champs-Élysées or Canebière which should be accepted, because these names are considered as words). I have a related question: very often, German street names are written as single words, e.g. Friedrichstraße. Are these names considered as words in German? I feel they might, but I don't know for sure. Lmaltier (talk) 17:14, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Deleted. —msh210℠ (talk) 07:59, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

title: Talk:Aldersgate Street


text:
Talk:Lombard Street

Lombard Street
As with Aldersgate Street: no metonymy, and we're not a street atlas or guidebook. Equinox ◑ 13:57, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete sense. Not to mention the numerous other Lombard streets that exist, such as the famous zigzaggy one in San Francisco. --WikiTiki89 14:35, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

 * Keep Purplebackpack89  (Notes Taken) (Locker) 14:54, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete sense. Move some of the def to etymology. I have added a metonymic sense with citations. DCDuring TALK 15:08, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete sense / move it to the etymology, per DCDuring and per precedent cases like 24 Sussex Drive, linked-to in the previous section. - -sche (discuss) 16:54, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

 * Wikipedia has over 20,000 articles on individual named streets, and I don't think we want to have entries reflecting all of the unique names. We should give basically the same treatment to all entries in Category:en:Named roads - delete senses containing purely geographic descriptions of the locations of the streets, but keep metonymic senses, and put enough of the geographic description in the etymology to make sense of the origin of the word. Note, however, that for an entry like Wall Street, the etymology should not merely say that this comes from the name of a street in New York, but should at least note that it is derived from "de Waal Straat", believed to reflect the Dutch settlers having originally built a wall there. bd2412 T 17:30, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Where are you getting that 20,000 figure from? Also, shouldn't more of them be in the cat?  Purplebackpack89  (Notes Taken) (Locker) 21:03, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Las Vegas has around 8,000 streets; multiply that by the number of major cities... (I do suspect The Strip might have lexical meaning, but there's almost certainly not a second street in Las Vegas that has that.--Prosfilaes (talk) 21:48, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but not all of those have Wikipedia articles or Wiktionary entries. Also, some of them have the same name as streets elsewhere  Purplebackpack89  (Notes Taken) (Locker) 22:54, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The point is that they are attestable (i.e. three uses could easily be found in books or magazines for many streets, if only because of e.g. companies' mailing addresses). But the only "definition" for more than 99% of them would be "a street in city X". Equinox ◑ 22:56, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * @pbp, the 20,000 articles can be found by plumbing through all the subcategories and sub-subcategories of Wikipedia's w:Category:Streets (there is quite a tree). bd2412 T 01:06, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete; there's too many of them, and they're encyclopedic.--Prosfilaes (talk) 21:48, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

 * Delete per nom. (see below) --Dmol (talk) 22:45, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, there is an argument for including the famous San Francisco street. Searching for things like "looks like Lombard Street" etc, brings up various uses to refer to the crookedness of the street.  Any thoughts. --Dmol (talk) 22:50, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If I were lexicographer-in-charge, I would exclude similes as evidence. I'm not, however, and I think others may disagree. DCDuring TALK 23:26, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

I've stuck out my delete vote above, pending another look at this. The London street does seem to be synonomous with the banking industry, and has done for a long time. Moreover, it is used as a comparision of other similar market streets elsewhere. No time to go in to detail at the moment, but hopefully tomorrow.--Dmol (talk) 05:37, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I still think the sense referring to the physical street in London should be deleted. I've seen enough cites, myself, to justify both the "London equivalent to Wall Street" sense and the "San Francisco epitome of something with twists and turns" sense (try searching on "more curves than Lombard Street" and "more twists and turns than Lombard Street"). I just don't want to set a precedent that could be used to justify including a sense for Main Street in Podunk, Nowhere. Chuck Entz (talk) 06:11, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. While I hardly think I need to justify why, remember WT:CFI is criteria for inclusion (not criteria for exclusion). Quite simply, this just doesn't meet them. For example, attested and idiomatic, while it's attested it's as unidiomatic as you can get. It means 'any street called Lombard'. Renard Migrant (talk) 14:34, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep the sense "The money and capital market of London" added after this nomination started, having 3 quotations in the mainspace. By the way, shows a similar sense is in Collins. --Dan Polansky (talk) 18:47, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Deleted sense; kept the sense Dan P. mentions. —msh210℠ (talk) 07:59, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

title: Talk:Lombard Street


text: smockfrocks

title: smockfrocks


text:
unwitherable

Adjective

 * 1) Incapable of being withered; imperishable; timeless.

title: unwitherable


text: klaagliedje

title: klaagliedje


text: klaagliedjes

title: klaagliedjes


text: kledingkastjes

title: kledingkastjes


text:
Talk:mum and dad

mum and dad
SOP. --WikiTiki89 20:36, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Speedied Wonderfolly: as can be seen from RFD page at the moment, he's just adding any "X and Y" he can think of. This is no more special than "brother and sister", "aunt and uncle", etc. That's just how "and" works. Equinox ◑ 23:16, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

title: Talk:mum and dad


text: kledingstukjes

title: kledingstukjes


text:
Hexenschuss

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * , lumbago

title: Hexenschuss


text:
ideator

Etymology
From verb.

Noun

 * 1) One who ideates; one who holds or generates an idea, or synthesizes a concept.

title: ideator


text: Hexenschusses

title: Hexenschusses


text: ideators

title: ideators


text: dødt

title: dødt


text:
parently

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * Of, relating to, or characteristic of a parent; parental.

title: parently


text: flyscreens

title: flyscreens


text:
dropleaf

Noun

 * 1) A flat section of a table that can be extended or collapsed.

title: dropleaf


text: dropleafs

title: dropleafs


text:
firwood

Etymology
From, , from , equivalent to 🇰🇲.

Noun

 * 1) The wood of the fir tree.
 * 2) A wood largely populated with fir trees.

Translations

 * German:

 * German:

title: firwood


text: firwoods

title: firwoods


text:
AMSWWBUW

Etymology
Coined as early as 1993 in the Usenet group .

title: AMSWWBUW


text: kumkuma

title: kumkuma


text:
kumkum

Alternative forms

 * kumkuma
 * kunku
 * kungumam

Etymology
From from.

Noun

 * 1) A red powder, made from saffron or turmeric, used ceremonially by Hindu women to make various markings on the body, especially the tilak.
 * 2) * 2015, Tridip Suhrud, translating, Sarasvatichandra I, Orient BlackSwan 2015, p. 134:
 * Saubhagya Devi sent Alak Kishori to fetch kumkum.
 * Saubhagya Devi sent Alak Kishori to fetch kumkum.

title: kumkum


text: kumkumas

title: kumkumas


text: kumkums

title: kumkums


text: deathmask

title: deathmask


text: deathmasks

title: deathmasks


text: methodistical

title: methodistical


text: Category:sk:Cutlery

title: Category:sk:Cutlery


text: nakneste

title: nakneste


text:
travelworn

Adjective

 * 1) Worn or damaged from being taken on travels.

title: travelworn


text: Template:fro-conj-pondre

title: Template:fro-conj-pondre


text: spider senses

title: spider senses


text:
rybár

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) fisher person

Noun

 * 1) tern bird

title: rybár


text:
Bárðarbunga

Etymology
From, from + , literally "Bárðar's bulge".

Proper noun

 * 1) An Icelandic subglacial stratovolcano located under the ice cap of Vatnajökull glacier.

title: Bárðarbunga


text:
Talk:bunga

Can Icelandic bunga also mean "penis" figuratively? --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 17:55, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I don’t think such a connotation exists. – Krun (talk) 11:41, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

title: Talk:bunga


text: Category:sk:Fishing

title: Category:sk:Fishing


text:
junkheap

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) A collection or pile of unwanted things

title: junkheap


text: junkheaps

title: junkheaps


text: legema

title: legema


text: peartree

title: peartree


text: peartrees

title: peartrees


text: legemene

title: legemene


text:
footballish

Adjective

 * 1) Having the physical characteristics associated with an American football player; being large and muscular.

title: footballish


text: spider sense

title: spider sense


text:
User talk:NawlinWiki

You're an idiot. An image shows something plastic that is really dusty. I hate Tory Ailes (talk) 18:35, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

title: User talk:NawlinWiki


text:
kapinonan

Etymology
From.

title: kapinonan


text:
laog

Adjective

 * 1) inside

Verb

 * 1) to go inside
 * 2) to enter

Noun

 * 1) penetration; breach
 * 2) content; volume

Adjective

 * 1) gluttonous; given to excessive eating

Noun

 * 1) a glutton

Adjective

 * 1) undomesticated; wild
 * 2) nomadic; vagrant; wandering

title: laog


text:
istorya

Noun

 * 1) history

Etymology
, from, from. .

Noun

 * 1) story; narration
 * 2) history
 * 3) rumor; gossip
 * 1) rumor; gossip
 * 1) rumor; gossip

title: istorya


text:
другъ

Etymology
From. Cognates include 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) friend

Adjective

 * 1) another
 * 2) second
 * 3) next, following

Usage notes

 * Rarely used in the short forms.

title: другъ


text:
taram

Verb

 * 1) to speak; to talk
 * 2) to say

Noun

 * 1) strand

Noun

 * 1) Fagonica cretica (a medicinal plant)

Etymology
, from.

Adjective

 * 1) sharp of knives, blades, etc.

title: taram


text:
gibo

Verb

 * 1) made

Noun

 * 1) good deed

title: gibo


text:
fremmedlegeme

Etymology
From 🇰🇲,.

Noun

 * 1) foreign body

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) a foreign body (unwanted object that has entered the body)

title: fremmedlegeme


text:
User talk:Teenpolyglot

Bicol
The name we use for this language here is Bikol Central (code ). Also, please add below the part-of-speech header. Otherwise,

— Keφr 19:04, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

title: User talk:Teenpolyglot


text: Tulipifera

title: Tulipifera


text: fremmedlegemet

title: fremmedlegemet


text: fremmedlegemer

title: fremmedlegemer


text:
Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/pǫtь

Etymology
From /, from, from. Cognate with 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1)  way, path

Descendants

 * East Slavic:
 * South Slavic:
 * Old Church Slavonic:
 * Cyrillic:
 * Glagolitic:
 * (dialectal)
 * West Slavic:
 * Moravian :
 * Sorbian:
 * Glagolitic:
 * (dialectal)
 * West Slavic:
 * Moravian :
 * Sorbian:
 * West Slavic:
 * Moravian :
 * Sorbian:
 * Moravian :
 * Sorbian:
 * Moravian :
 * Sorbian:
 * Sorbian:
 * Sorbian:
 * Sorbian:
 * Sorbian:
 * Sorbian:

title: Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/pǫtь


text:
Talk:offsite

Should off-site be mentioned here, for example as an alternate spelling? 216.165.126.25 19:26, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

 * ✅ Equinox ◑ 19:28, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

title: Talk:offsite


text: fremmedlegemene

title: fremmedlegemene


text: Template:fro-conj-rompre

title: Template:fro-conj-rompre


text:
røntgenbilde

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) an X-ray

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) an X-ray

title: røntgenbilde


text: drop-leaf

title: drop-leaf


text: drop-leafs

title: drop-leafs


text: drop-leaves

title: drop-leaves


text: dropleaves

title: dropleaves


text:
σκληρότητα

Etymology
From, equivalent to.

Noun

 * 1) hardness, severity, cruelty

title: σκληρότητα


text: огънь

title: огънь


text: røntgenbildet

title: røntgenbildet


text: røntgenbilder

title: røntgenbilder


text: røntgenbilda

title: røntgenbilda


text: røntgenbildene

title: røntgenbildene


text:
ม้าห้อ

Etymology
From 🇰🇲.

Noun

 * 1) ma haw minced pork and shrimp relish.

title: ม้าห้อ


text:
blodcelle

Noun

 * 1)  blood cell

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) a blood cell

title: blodcelle


text:
broseph

Etymology
2000s,.

Noun

 * 1)  A comrade or friend.
 * 2) * 2010, Jonny Wakefield, Bryce Warnes, & Anna Zoria, "What's on you wall?", The Ubyssey (University of British Columbia), Volume 92, Number 11, 7 October 2010, page 4:
 * Anybody who walks into your room knows immediately that you get blasted, broseph, and that most of your pride, social standing and self worth are derived from your ability to drink litres upon litres of spiced rum.
 * Anybody who walks into your room knows immediately that you get blasted, broseph, and that most of your pride, social standing and self worth are derived from your ability to drink litres upon litres of spiced rum.

title: broseph


text: Category:nb:Hematology

title: Category:nb:Hematology


text: bagók

title: bagók


text: notaries public

title: notaries public


text: blodcella

title: blodcella


text: secretaries general

title: secretaries general


text: surgeons general

title: surgeons general


text: blodcellen

title: blodcellen


text: surgeon-general

title: surgeon-general


text: surgeons-general

title: surgeons-general


text: blodceller

title: blodceller


text: surgeon-generals

title: surgeon-generals


text: blodcellene

title: blodcellene


text: Surgeon-General

title: Surgeon-General


text: Surgeons-General

title: Surgeons-General


text: Surgeon-Generals

title: Surgeon-Generals


text: Surgeons-Generals

title: Surgeons-Generals


text: balesetveszélyek

title: balesetveszélyek


text: Surgeons General

title: Surgeons General


text:
brosephine

Etymology
, after the pattern of.

Noun

 * 1)  A female comrade or friend.
 * 2) * 2007, Jake Martin, "Ask Jake", Rose Hill Magazine (Fordham University), Spring 2009, page 7:
 * First of all, good luck finding anyone willing to play beer pong in a wood-paneled rec room, say goodbye to fist-bumping with your brosephines while watching Dane Cook on [sic] if Dad's got the remote during an Everybody Loves Raymond marathon,
 * 1) * 2014, Eddie Alterman, "Two Big Shows" (editor's letter), Car and Driver, Volume 59, Number 8, February 2014, page 9:
 * But in the other no-less-important stylistic sense, these guys are doing the Lord's work for bros and brosephines everywhere.
 * But in the other no-less-important stylistic sense, these guys are doing the Lord's work for bros and brosephines everywhere.

title: brosephine


text:
Talk:steak and blowjob

steak and blowjob
SOP. --WikiTiki89 20:41, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * ?? Never heard of it. The mind boggles. Donnanz (talk) 20:56, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It's supposed to be the male chauvinist pig answer to Valentine's Day—he’ll do all the romantic, lovey-dovey crap she wants on February 14, if she makes him a steak and gives him a blowjob on March 14. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 22:43, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Delete. SOP and Wonderfool is trying to get banned again. Equinox ◑ 23:14, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, is that who this is? That explains everything. --WikiTiki89 23:17, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Yes, it's him, testing to see how much longer this sock can survive. -- · (talk) 02:53, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Google informs me that people write "a steak and blowjob" rather than "a steak and a blowjob", so apparently they're a unit. So, is that unit more comparable to bacon and eggs, which we list, or cup and saucer, which we don't? ~ Röbin Liönheart (talk) 20:43, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure that's a meaningful distinction: e.g. "Xiang has woven a hat and coat out of hair"; "If you put a stapler and hole punch near the trash can". Are these "units"? Equinox ◑ 02:44, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Bacon and eggs does not count as defending argument - it was recently created by same user. So were cheese on toast, huff and puff, vim and vigor, peas and carrots, yes and no and loud and clear. I think he forgot monkeys and bananas, horse and carriage, spaghetti and meatballs and lamb and tuna fish. On the other hand we have horse and cart and peanut butter and jelly. --Hekaheka (talk) 12:42, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Well you can tell Semper's not about anymore because he'd've shot this on sight. It's not idiomatic. Oh and it might be unattestable. Renard Migrant (talk) 15:11, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Delete. I'd rather have cheese on toast or bacon and eggs. Donnanz (talk) 15:37, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I can't say that I share your preference in this case, but delete. bd2412 T 15:21, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. --Hekaheka (talk) 16:19, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Awesome that this lasted a week. Just zap this crap already --ElisaVan (talk) 00:01, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Blown away (you should pardon the pun). —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 00:24, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

title: Talk:steak and blowjob


text: bankszámlák

title: bankszámlák


text: barackmagok

title: barackmagok


text: barakkok

title: barakkok


text: brosephines

title: brosephines


text: basszusok

title: basszusok


text: basszusgitárok

title: basszusgitárok


text: bauxitok

title: bauxitok


text: bébiszitterek

title: bébiszitterek


text: befecskendezések

title: befecskendezések


text: békekongresszusok

title: békekongresszusok


text: beképzeltségek

title: beképzeltségek


text: beleegyezések

title: beleegyezések


text:
Citations:broette

Noun: "(slang) a female comrade or friend"

 * 2009, Claude T. Stauffer, Stay the Course and Stick with the True Gospel, Xulon Press (2009), ISBN 9781607915416, page xxiv:
 * And if you're not a bro or broette in the Lord, we'd love to tell you how you can become one.
 * 2010, Joel Osbourne, "Its Never About What You Know", The Odyssey (Purdue University), Volume 2, Number 16, 13 December 2010, page 6:
 * Sure the bros help and the broettes are an even greater help, but my main point is the amount of kids who are chasing a degree that they hope will pay off.
 * 2011, "The Magic 8-Ball", Nexus (University of Waikato), Issue 18, 15 August 2011, page 19:
 * Deaf bros (and broettes) actually think in a complex series of mental images,
 * 2012, "The First Annual Squatties", The Botetourt Squat (satirical newspaper of the College of William & Mary), Volume 2, Issue 6, 27 April 2012, page 8:
 * Shout out to the amazing bros and broettes who live every goddamn day with the super-wonderful company of their Greek friends!
 * 2014, Brianne Richson, "Iowa City's divided soul", The Daily Iowan (University of Iowa), 17 April 2014, page 4A:
 * in roughly equal measure to the species of college bro and broette more likely to be found in a bar across the street.

title: Citations:broette


text: belügyek

title: belügyek


text: cellene

title: cellene


text: bemelegítések

title: bemelegítések


text:
broette

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1)  A female comrade or friend.
 * 2) * 2012, "The First Annual Squatties", The Botetourt Squat (satirical newspaper of the College of William & Mary), Volume 2, Issue 6, 27 April 2012, page 8:
 * Shout out to the amazing bros and broettes who live every goddamn day with the super-wonderful company of their Greek friends!
 * Shout out to the amazing bros and broettes who live every goddamn day with the super-wonderful company of their Greek friends!

title: broette


text: berakások

title: berakások


text: brosephs

title: brosephs


text: broettes

title: broettes


text:
Farer adalary

Proper noun

 * 1) Faroe Islands (group of islands between Scotland and Iceland)

title: Farer adalary


text:
Citations:marihoochie

Noun: "(informal) marijuana"

 * 2000, Bradley M. Fralick, Through My Head: Essays by a Brain Injury Survivor, Xlibris (2000), ISBN 9781477176702, unnumbered page:
 * And it's all because of those innocent little tokes on that pipeful of MARIHOOCHIE.
 * 2004, Poe Ballantine, God Clobbers Us All, Hawthorne Books (2004), ISBN 9780983304944, unnumbered page:
 * Slowly I reach toward my cigarette pack for the marihoochie,
 * 2006, Jo-Ann Mapson, The Owl & Moon Cafe, Simon & Schuster (2006), ISBN 9780743289122, unnumbered page:
 * “Have to make sure no marihoochie went into this,” she said gruffly, and everyone laughed and took another Christmas cookie,
 * 2013, Robert Andrew Mannie, Dolphin Days, Xlibris (2013), ISBN 9781483613055, page 23:
 * “Would you like to smoke some marihoochie?” Indio asked her.

title: Citations:marihoochie


text:
marihoochie

Noun

 * 1)  Marijuana.

Synonyms

 * See also Thesaurus:marijuana.

title: marihoochie


text: millionene

title: millionene


text: scatter gun

title: scatter gun


text:
Talk:destabilize

destabilize
rfd-sense: "To undermine a government, especially by means of subversion or terrorism." I think either this is just wrong, or it's a specific example of 'to rendered unstable' the first definition. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:59, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * This is an overspecific subsense of the first sense. Delete. — Ungoliant (Falai) 12:54, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * A "destabilized" government (ie, one no longer carrying out all of its functions effectively over its nominal jurisdiction) could be "stable" in most normal senses of the word, but at a low level of functioning. The term can mean something like "render ineffectual". This seems to me to be the equivalent for a verb of a misnomer. The misnomer principle suggests that some sense specific to governments ought to be in our definition. Even MWOnline, has an "especially" for governments and has adjusted the definition to make sure it includes governments. Keep until replaced by superior definition. DCDuring TALK 03:13, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not convinced, could you perhaps find some citations where the 'render unstable' definition wouldn't work? Mglovesfun (talk) 20:01, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Deleted the questioned sense as the sense is already good enough.--Jusjih (talk) 07:05, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

title: Talk:destabilize


text:
Talk:emergency doctor

emergency doctor
As above. —Mr. Granger (talk • contribs) 14:56, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
 * My first thought is an emergency physician is one you call in an emergency, not one that works in an emergency department. Having said that, I'm pretty sure it means both. So delete. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:44, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Deleted.--Jusjih (talk) 03:29, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

title: Talk:emergency doctor


text: vanhuksille

title: vanhuksille


text:
שחרית

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  Shacharit, morning prayers

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  morning prayers

title: שחרית


text:
scanxiety

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1)  Anxiety experienced while waiting to undergo a medical scan or receive the results of one.

title: scanxiety


text:
сахалинский

Adjective

 * 1)  Sakhalin

title: сахалинский


text:
小狗懶擦鞋

Etymology
Coined by as the title of his book about Cantonese profanities.

title: 小狗懶擦鞋


text: 小狗懒擦鞋

title: 小狗懒擦鞋


text:
liikuntaesteinen

Noun

 * 1)  disabled, physically challenged having a physical disability which affects one's ability to move around

title: liikuntaesteinen


text:
מנחה

Etymology 1
Compare 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) an offering
 * , afternoon prayers

Noun

 * 1) a mentor
 * 2) a host, a moderator

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)   afternoon prayer

title: מנחה


text: liikuntaesteisille

title: liikuntaesteisille


text:
Talk:guión

Why was this deprecated? --91.225.19.225 23:24, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Because the o has the stress anyhow (i is weak and o is strong vowel, so it forms a diphtong with no need for an accent unless the i is accented)Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 23:38, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Two syllables
The pronunciation in this classical variant should keep two syllables instead one → /ɡiˈon/ [ɡiˈõn]. Actually that is the reason why it was (and still is, by many) used with an acute accent despite the authorities' recent decission: a huge number of speakers of the language pronounce it clearly as a bisyllabic word (except when quickly pronounced). Actually, for many, suppressing those accents in words like "fié", "liáis", "liéis", "rió" (but not in "dio" or "vio") happens to be perceived as a decission as silly as suppressing the accent in cases like "amas/amás" would be. The argument of the weak i/u doesn't make much sense when that i/u is pronounced as the core and only vowel of a syllable... but alas.--37.11.122.76 19:10, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:guión


text:
樺太

Etymology
.

Etymology 1

From.

The kanji spelling was decided upon during the creation of the first administrative district in Hokkaido during the.

Etymology 2
From the kun (mis)reading of the first kanji.

title: 樺太


text: Category:ja:Russia

title: Category:ja:Russia


text:
サハリン

Etymology
From.

Proper noun

 * 1)  Sakhalin
 * 2)  Sakhalin Oblast
 * 1)  Sakhalin Oblast

title: サハリン


text: からふと

title: からふと


text:
Karafuto

Etymology
From.

Proper noun

 * 1) a Japanese prefecture (Karafuto-chō) on the South Sakhalin, commonly called South Sakhalin from 1905 to 1945.
 * 1) a Japanese prefecture (Karafuto-chō) on the South Sakhalin, commonly called South Sakhalin from 1905 to 1945.

title: Karafuto


text:
사할린

Etymology
.

title: 사할린


text: 薩哈林

title: 薩哈林


text: 萨哈林

title: 萨哈林


text: Category:zh:Russia

title: Category:zh:Russia


text:
User talk:91.225.19.225

The user in 2014 is not the same as the user in 2011.

title: User talk:91.225.19.225