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Thread:User talk:CodeCat/*źambas, *zǫbъ/reply (5)

I agree, but the difference between źombos and źambas is really trivial. o and a were the same phoneme in Balto-Slavic, so they are two letters for the same reconstructed sound. The only case I can think of where the difference between them would be significant is for a sound change that affected o and a differently. There is in fact such a change, Winter's law, which lengthens the vowels to ō and ā (which don't merge), showing us the distinction. But the only conclusion you can draw from that is that Winter's law occurred before the vowels merged. As far as we can tell, the merger happened before Balto-Slavic split apart, because all Balto-Slavic languages show only a single reflex of both original vowels (a in Baltic, o in Slavic but with evidence of an earlier a > o change in Middle Common Slavic), and there are no post-Balto-Slavic sound changes that require or show evidence for a distinction between a and o. The conclusion then is that they must have been indistinct in Proto-Balto-Slavic itself, and that any difference between them is purely notational.


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ametendlic

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) measurable, limited, brief

title: ametendlic


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Thread:User talk:CodeCat/*źambas, *zǫbъ/reply (6)

And I don't dispute your idea here. It's just that, if this is your idea, then it should be sourced to you, not to Derksen, who had *źombos. Even if the difference is purely notational, we can't change what the source says. It would be like respelling a quote in American spelling despite the fact that it comes from a British source and uses British spelling.

Maybe this is a general question, even outside of reconstructed forms. In general, it seems Wiktionary practice is to respect the original form, no matter what. I see, for instance, that Serbian words are given both in Cyrilic and Latin scripts -- even though they are clearly notational variants of each other, Wiktionary doesn't just pick one of them and avoids the other (since both are in use). I see also pages for languages in the original script (say, Gothic, or Japanese), as well as pages with the same words in Romanized form. So I'd imagine that if there is variation (*źombos vs. *źambas in different reconstructions) or of opionion (he has *źombos but my knowledge of the literature / my personal opinion leads me to think that *źambas is better) could be treated similarly. And only *źombos would be sourced to Dirksen, while *źambas would be, say, to you.

My point here is to avoid confusion. Precisely because there apparently already is confusion in the literature (different theories, different notations, different reconstructions, etc.), a new Wiktionary page about a reconstructed protoform should make an effort to justify its existence with this particular spelling / notation (rather than a variant); or else, we're adding an extra bit of confusion to what is already out there. Don't you think?


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Naemorhedus

Etymology
An 1827 misspelling of (by ) that has gained significant usage.

Hypernyms

 * ; - subfamily

Hyponyms

 * - type species;, ,  - other extant species

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text: wiþmetenlic

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Thread:User talk:CodeCat/*źambas, *zǫbъ/reply (7)

It's not my idea, I just don't have sources to back it up at the moment. It comes from things I have read about Balto-Slavic reconstruction.

But I don't think this should be equated with misquoting. If one source writes a physical equation as E = h ν, another as E = h f, and a third as E = ħ ω, then those are not three different equations that deserve separate treatment, because they express the same mathematical idea, just with different notation. In the same way, źombos and źambas are the same thing, just written differently. The crucial difference between this and the spelling of a real language like Serbo-Croatian is that one is actually used as a means of communication, whereas reconstructed languages are written in an abstract linguistic representation that just happens to resemble a written word (for convenience). But you are probably familiar with the custom of writing h1, h2 and h3 for three Indo-European phonemes, which shows it more clearly. As long as linguists agree on a representation, any will do. If a linguist had decided at one point that what we write as ź is to be spelled as Z or 2 or something else, then that would not have changed the reconstruction; only the way of representing it abstractly. You really can't treat it the same as a real written language, because the spelling of a real language is based only on convention, whereas linguists routinely make up their own conventions when it suits them, and what counts is the idea that underlies the letters, not the letters themselves.

I do agree that we should quote the source accurately, but I don't think that should imply that *źombos should appear in etymology sections alongside *źambas. Instead, the form *źombos should be placed with the quotation in the reference section. Reconstruction:Proto-Balto-Slavic/źombos should redirect to Reconstruction:Proto-Balto-Slavic/źambas if there is any chance that people will come here looking for *źombos.


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wiþsacendlic

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) negative, expressing negation

title: wiþsacendlic


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keep one's head down

Verb

 * 1)  To avoid trouble or attention.
 * 1)  To avoid trouble or attention.
 * 1)  To avoid trouble or attention.

Usage notes

 * Not to be confused with the British expression in reference to working or preparing to work hard or its American equivalent /,   in reference to being a position to be fucked, typically in a demeaning or exploitive fashion.

title: keep one's head down


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ezkor

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) pessimist
 * 2) negative
 * 3) simple, plain
 * 1) simple, plain

title: ezkor


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Thread:User talk:CodeCat/Characters to strip/reply (28)

I think it's perfect now, time to move it to Module:languages.


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Thread:User talk:CodeCat/*źambas, *zǫbъ/reply (8)

Something like a redirect is OK by me, in principle. But, in Wiktionary, aren't spelling variants usually treated with a specific page that has a specific template like plus a redirect to the preferred spelling?

And, even though it is true that reconstructions are more like formulas than like actual words, still they are words, which is why they are here at Wiktionary (I note formulas do not have pages here, which again is OK by me). And to say that *źombos is "the same thing" as *źambas in a way that is different from the way in which, say, and, or  and wair, or  and , are "the same thing", is probably metaphysically correct, but in actual practice not very much. In all those cases, the reason for having both forms is that "both are used" (likewise both *źombos and *źambas are used, if I understand you correctly), and that an interested user could look for one of the forms, not knowing that the other also existed, and s/he should be able to find it (likewise for *źombos and *źambas). (Likewise, if Wiktionary listed formulas as words, it should indeed treat E = hν and E = hf as spelling variants, with independent pages, and E = ħω as something slightly different, a "rescaling" or "change of units", since it includes the 2π constant to allow the use of angular variables rather than non-angular ones, which is not the hace for hν and hf, two pure notational variants; but still with a separate page plus a link to the "default" formulation.)

I wonder if I should raise the issue somewhere else. There may be a need for more precision in the formatting of pages for reconstructed protoforms; apparently there aren't guidelines to it the way there are for normal lexical pages in various languages. --Pereru (talk) 23:00, 27 July 2013 (UTC)


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Thread:User talk:CodeCat/*źambas, *zǫbъ/reply (9)

Also, here's a more general question. I see that alternate respellings of reconstructions (or even totally different reconstructed forms) already are in use in etymology sections of individual words, since I have come across some myself. So: should some kind of concerted effort be made to make everything consistent, i.e. should someone go looking for the "wrong" spellings of some reconstructed protoform and replace them with the "right" spellings? And what do we do if a source is cited, but it has the "wrong" spelling? (Maybe put the "right" spelling next to the "wrong" one in parenthesis? Or maybe leave the "wrong" spelling but link it to the "right" one?)


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Thread:User talk:CodeCat/*źambas, *zǫbъ/reply (10)

Yes, both are used, and that's why the redirect can be created. "Alternative form" is ambiguous when it comes to reconstructions. In some cases, there may be two forms that can both be reconstructed and both were demonstrably used by speakers at the time; this would be an alternative form in the same sense that we use it for regular languages. But it could also just mean an alternative reconstruction from a different source, and that speakers really used one or the other but we can't tell which. That isn't really an alternative form though, more like an alternative hypothesis/reconstruction. For the entries I created, I have used "alternative form" entries only in the first sense, and created redirects for the second type. That was the common practice for Indo-European entries before I came to Wiktionary, so I adopted it as well. Several of our PIE entries list alternative reconstructions either on the headword line or in a usage note.


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Thread:User talk:CodeCat/*źambas, *zǫbъ/reply (11)

For several reconstructed languages we have a standard notation that is based on common practice (but never all; there will always be some that use another notation). That notation is described on the "about" pages, like WT:AGEM or WT:ASLA. There have been a few occasions where our standard notation has changed. The most notable is probably the use of ogoneks for Proto-Germanic. If etymologies use another spelling, I usually change them to reflect our standards. So far, I haven't had any that were sourced, but if they are, we should still use our own notation, and use the source's own notation when quoting it. Our etymology sections never directly quote sources, they are always paraphrasings, so converting the notation can just be part of that. I suppose it's assumed as understood that varying notations don't imply different reconstructions.


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βύβλος

Etymology
From (whence it was imported).

Noun

 * 1) papyrus (both in reference to the plant and writings using the paper-like material derived from the plant)
 * 2) book

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lunarco

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 * 1) crescent

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Module talk:gender and number

NBSP
In a text like this: "word g1 g2, g3" the first and the second spaces should be definitely NB, IMO. The third one should be breaking, however, as we have comma before it. --Z 23:46, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Russian words with multiple genders
How do I add multiple genders, e.g. Russian ? It can be both masculine and feminine (animate). Comma or pipe separation doesn't work, m-an, f-an. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 21:54, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * has a  parameter.  21:55, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Thanks! --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 21:57, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Plural
Why is plural abbreviated to p rather than pl when passed as an argument? --Njardarlogar (talk) 11:29, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It dates back to the time when both the gender codes and language codes were templates. was the code for Polish, so  had to be used for plural. —CodeCat 11:37, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Misnomer?
Just a note to mention that the gender template is definitely a misnomer for including stuff like number and verb stuff, but not for animacy. The older meaning of "gender" was the "noun category" sense and animate vs. inanimate is perhaps the oldest noun category distinction. The sense of "gender" meaning "sex" is a newer sense and masculine vs feminine genders are less ancient gender distinctions.

If it were ever to renamed something like "essential properties" or "major attributes" or "key annotations", in some abbreviated form would probably be best. — hippietrail (talk) 10:34, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

singular
Is there a way for m-s, f-s, n-s (only singular for all genders)? As in some Greek nouns? I cannot find it. Thank you. sarri.greek (talk) 00:11, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Singular is normally assumed if nothing else is specified. Is there a reason that it needs to be explicitly given here? —Rua (mew) 11:29, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Virile and nonvirile genders
Can someone add the virile and nonvirile genders to this module? The workarounds function, but they are not entirely accurate (e.g. utensylia, drzwi). İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 19:06, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Invariant
Is there a way to specify an invariant form (that doesn't change with number and/or gender ? edit: figured it out.

can someone add transitivity?
The Algonquian languages have four different verb types, and it would be nice to be able to specify in the headword transitivity, i.e. something like (verb  anim   trans  ) /mof.va.nes/ (talk) 16:58, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Paucal
Please add "pauc(al)" for Fijian pronouns. kwami (talk) 08:43, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

title: Module talk:gender and number


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céilíoch

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) given to visiting

Noun

 * 1) person who is fond of visiting, sociable person

title: céilíoch


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Talk:alergologijski

Simple typo: missing an l. --BiblbroX дискашн 21:15, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅, should not have been listed here. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:27, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * So in the future I should move it myself and tag the wrong entry with speedy? --BiblbroX дискашн 21:48, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, if it's a no-doubter. Mglovesfun (talk) 22:01, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:homeothermic

RFM
Should these be merged? - -sche (discuss) 07:05, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. - -sche (discuss) 10:52, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

title: Talk:homeothermic


text: Mom and apple pie

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Talk:mom and apple pie

Mom and apple pie should begin with a lowercase letter, right? And we should reduce the overlap (by linking between the entries better) of that entry, motherhood statement, motherhood and apple pie and flag, motherhood and apple pie. - -sche (discuss) 20:01, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Phrase or noun?

 * We have the alternative form and  as nouns. Should mom and apple pie also be a noun? J3133 (talk) 12:44, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I wasn't thinking about that at the time. Fixed. Chuck Entz (talk) 14:57, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:mom and apple pie


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knābis

Etymology
From the same stem as the verb, made into a masculine 2nd-declension noun (ending -is).

Noun

 * 1)  beak, bill rigid structure on the mouth of a bird, used for pecking, grooming, eating, etc.

title: knābis


text: knābi

title: knābi


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title: knābī


text: knābja

title: knābja


text: Wiktionary:Foreign Word of the Day/2013/July 28


text: knābim

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title: knābji


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text: private investment bankers

title: private investment bankers


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Talk:tsaddik

RFM
See Talk:tzaddik. - -sche (discuss) 00:34, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:tzadik

RFM
See Talk:tzaddik. - -sche (discuss) 00:34, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

title: Talk:tzadik


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User:DCDuring/Native languages US: locations

Algonquian languages Siouan-Catawban languages, in particular
 * †Abenaki language - ME, QUE
 * Cree language - ND, MN, MT, SK, Man, ONT, QUE
 * Ojibwe language - ND, MN, WI, IL, MI, IN, OH, ONT, QUE, Man, SK
 * Lenape
 * †Munsee - DE, NJ, PA
 * Unami - NY, NJ
 * Narragansett language - RI
 * Massachusett language - MA
 * Malecite-Passamaquoddy - ME, NB
 * Mi'kmaq - ME, NS, NB, PEI, NF, QU
 * Pequot - CT
 * Catawba - NC
 * Sioux - MN. ND, IA
 * Lakota - WY, MT, SD, MN
 * Dakota - WI, SD, ND, NE, IA
 * Cherokee - SC, VA, NC, GA, TN, AL, AR, MO, OK
 * Navajo - NM


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Talk:tzaddik

RFM
The spelling tzadik: is by far the most common. --WikiTiki89 (talk) 10:33, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

 * Actually, the spelling is by far the most common. (Google Ngram Viewer: tzaddik, tzadik, tsaddik, tsadik; Google Ngram Viewer: Tzaddik, Tzadik, Tsaddik, Tsadik) —Ruakh TALK 12:09, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

 * Then the number of results here and here must be a glitch. I never understood why Google botches the numbers all the time. --WikiTiki89 (talk) 12:17, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

 * Google-counts are incredibly unreliable, but the Ngram Viewer uses books up through the year 2000, so it's at least theoretically possible that the proportions on the Web are genuinely different. However, my impression is that the hits at are, by and large, not actually using it as an English word, whereas a fair proportion of the hits for  are; this is probably enough to account for the discrepancy. —Ruakh TALK 14:35, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

 * I don't know, the discrepancy is quite large (1,780,000 vs 192,000). The only way I think you can account for it is if Google is finding results that don't actually contain "tzadik". But regardless, can we get this moved to tzaddik: then? --WikiTiki89 (talk) 14:42, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

 * Move to zaddik or tzaddik, keeping "tsaddik" as an alternative form. Here is Google Ngram Viewer for tzaddik,tzadik,tsaddik,tsadik,zaddik. --Dan Polansky (talk) 15:10, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I vote tzaddik. --WikiTiki89 18:38, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

✅. I find it ironic that even after all this discussion, nobody bothered to clean up the entry. I did that, and I also cleaned up the citable alt-forms and their irregular plurals. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 07:41, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

title: Talk:tzaddik


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Rhymes talk:Italian/ukko

To Rhymes:Italian:-ukko as is (apparently) the IPA pronunciation. I don't speak Italian, are there really two consecutive 's? This is a case of 'if no-one objects I will move it'. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:47, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, the double "c" is definitely pronounced, but with not like two "c"s - it's more like there is a small pause between the "c" and what follows. I don't speak IPA, so do what you think best. SemperBlotto (talk) 17:53, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I think that's normally transcribed as either or .  18:23, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure we're talking about /kk/ here. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 18:26, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I've moved it. However, none of the pages listed there actually links to it; I'm not sure why not. —Angr 20:20, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Because SB didn't use Yair's JS to add the rhymes (tsk, tsk). I did so, and then reverted myself to avoid duplication; now each bluelink there links back to it. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 20:32, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Apparently SB added a bunch of these, so I've been cleaning up. Can someone please quickly look over the Italian rhymes lists to make sure they're good? (Mostly I'd like someone to check Rhymes:Italian:Stressed on /u/, because that's where all the problems I found were.) Thanks! —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 20:57, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I went through all the /u/ ones (although I'd still like a bit of oversight) and now I'm doing the rest. Only one I didn't touch was Rhymes:Italian:-ui — can someone explain what the hell is going on there, and split it as needed? —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 21:32, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * "Because SB didn't use Yair's JS to add the rhymes" - did the script exist at that time? Mglovesfun (talk) 11:07, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

title: Rhymes talk:Italian/ukko


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Talk:same gender loving

RFM
Should the lemma be same-gender-loving? - -sche (discuss) 22:33, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * At Google Books, one can easily find examples of same-gender-loving, same-gender loving and same gender loving. I suppose the first two would be considered more correct, but I'm not sure which is more popular. Chuck Entz (talk) 07:09, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Moved. - -sche (discuss) 22:07, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

title: Talk:same gender loving


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Talk:same-gender-loving

RFM
See Talk:same gender loving. - -sche (discuss) 00:42, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Slang?
Doesn't sound very slangy, does it? Equinox ◑ 00:08, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

 * ✅ Removed slang gloss. Equinox ◑ 18:49, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

 * A further point: is it even AAVE as stated — or merely used within the black community? Equinox ◑ 18:49, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

title: Talk:same-gender-loving


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готель

Etymology
From. .

Noun

 * 1) hotel

title: готель


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Talk:CD

RFM
Why is this entry's pagetitle not CD? The romaji entries use regular Latin letters like C and D... Likewise ＣＭ, ＤＶＤ, ＪＲ, ＳＭＳ should be moved to CM, etc. - -sche (discuss) 22:58, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * What are those strange letters for? Are they part of Japanese somehow? 22:59, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * They are variants created to occupy two terminal columns. Why the hell did Unicode include them? — Ungoliant (Falai) 23:02, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * (e/c) They're fullwidth letters. They display better than regular letters, if embedded into the middle of a Japanese text and viewed by someone with enough font support to display them, but not enough font support to display regular letters nicely. I see zero reason we use them in cases like this. - -sche (discuss) 23:02, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Also all the other fullwidth Latin-letter entries in Category:Japanese abbreviations, acronyms and initialisms, and any other similar entries anywhere else. - -sche (discuss) 23:02, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to jump in. The Japanese use only the full-width letters when they write Latin, because otherwise they would look extremely out of place in vertical writing. Therefore, these should be kept. -- Liliana • 23:17, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The Japanese clearly don't always use these Unicode characters, though; "CDです" gets plenty of Usenet hits. It also gets BGC hits, though it's probably impossible to know if the books themselves were originally typed up with fullwidth Unicode characters, or with Latin letters displayed as wide as the Japanese characters around them. We are not, IMO, bound to carry over the aesthetic practice into our pagetitles. Books in many languages use curly apostrophes, but we use straight ones. - -sche (discuss) 23:28, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Would someone in Japan come to en.Wiktionary and not be able to type Latin script and instead use full-width characters? How does our search engine handle the search? DCDuring TALK 23:45, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Does Unicode have any recommendation for or against their use? This seems like a typical case of characters that were included for compatibility, not because they should be used. 23:58, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, though it depends what fonts you have installed I guess, this test shows that CD written in fullwidth with Jpan as the script actually looks horrible, in fact it looks like a ligature of O and D rather than 'CD'. Almost unreadable, or perhaps actually unreadable. Mglovesfun (talk) 00:55, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell, the WT search considers ＣＤ and CD as different, but similar. ＣＤ will get me to the full-width and CD will get me to the regular, but if I mix the two (ＣD or CＤ), it won't take me directly to either, but the list of hits following contains both the full-width and regular-character entries. On my Mac, I'm given a choice of 4 keyboards for Japanese (Romaji, Hiragana, Katakana, and Full-width Romaji, as well as a "Kana palate" that has separate tabs for Romaji, Hiragana, and Katakana, with a checkbox under the Romaji tab for using Full-width instead of regular Romaji. From this I would guess that Full-width Latin characters are something one would have to choose specifically, and not something that would be a barrier for most Japanese visitors. The main reason we would want to have this entry is for those who copypaste it into the search box- but even without it, it looks like the search would get them close enough. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:38, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I'm actually OK with hard redirects from ＣＤ to CD; redirects are cheap. Conversely, if we keep the content at ＣＤ (which I oppose), we should have 'redirects' (which will need to be soft, i.e. ) from CD. - -sche (discuss) 02:55, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Ｉ　ｔｈｉｎｋ　ｔｈｅｓｅ　ｓｈｏｕｌｄ　ｂｅ　ｋｅｐｔ　ｅｖｅｎ　ｔｈｏｕｇｈ　ｏｎｌｙ　ｔｒｏｌｌｓ　ａｎｄ　Ｊａｐａｎｅｓｅ　ｐｅｏｐｌｅ　ｕｓｅ　ｔｈｅｍ，　ｂｅｃａｕｓｅ　ｔｈｅｙ　ａｒｅ　ｔｈｅ　ｓｔａｎｄａｒｄ　ｗａｙ　ｔｏ　ｗｒｉｔｅ　ｔｈｅ　Ｌａｔｉｎ　ｓｃｒｉｐｔ　ｉｎ　Ｊａｐａｎ，　ａｎｄ　ｐｒｅｓｕｍａｂｌｙ　ｔｈｅ　ｓｅａｒｃｈ　ｐｒｏｂｌｅｍ　ｃａｎ　ｂｅ　ｎｅｇａｔｅｄ　ｂｙ　ｍｅａｎｓ　ｏｆ　 . —Ｍｅｔａｋｎｏｗｌｅｄｇｅ ｄｉｓｃｕｓｓ/ｄｅｅｄｓ 03:04, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * (also @Liliana): Do you think our romaji entries should be moved to use fullwidth characters? What about our pinyin entries? - -sche (discuss) 03:11, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * No, the romaji and pinyin entries are fine where they are. It's only Japanese terms incorporating Latin letters (like this abbreviation) that need fullwidth letters. -- Liliana • 10:18, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I'm not convinced these Unicode characters are standard. As Mg's sandbox test shows, regular Latin letters have appropriately full widths in good Japanese fonts (while fullwidth Unicode characters are, ironically, illegible), so it's hard to know whether books were typed up using the fullwidth Unicode characters or normal Latin letters. And both "ＣＤ" and "CD" are attested on Usenet. I note that ja.Wikt deleted ＣＤ and uses CD (and "80nm" and other regular Latin characters) in its entry on CDs. Even the Japanese Wiktionary itself redirects ＣＤ to CD, probably the most damning argument against making ＣＤ a lemma. - -sche (discuss) 03:23, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, I concede. Redirect. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 03:26, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, you are incorrect: in Japanese fonts, regular Latin letters are exactly half width. This means they look completely out of place within Japanese text. -- Liliana • 10:18, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, Japanese keyboards input the fullwidth Latin characters by default (when set to input Latin characters, obviously), with the option to switch to regular width. --WikiTiki89 03:55, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Halfwidth Roman letters are now standard in Japanese Wikipedia but Japanese printed books use fullwidth. Japanese news articles use both fullwidth and halfwidth. Forums usually use fullwidth. Japanese keyboard, when switching to numbers produce fullwidth numbers: ０１２３４５６７８９. Japanese editors here, including User:TAKASUGI Shinji are against fullwidth as names of articles but happy to use them as redirects or headers. As the creator of the above entries, I'm OK for them to be moved/merged with halfwidth but I'd prefer the headers to display fullwidth (e.g. head=ＣＤ). "ＣＤ" combines much better with the Japanese script than "CD". Halfwidth characters look really out of place with kanji but it's becoming common on the web. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 12:51, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * See also this PDF: File:Japanese writing.pdf. The pages shows a Japanese font with halfwidth letters, a standard proportional font, and a Japanese font with fullwidth letters, respectively. The first page shows horizontal, the second page vertical orientation. See what difference it makes? -- Liliana • 13:23, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Yes, vertical writing is the main reason why the fullwidth characters will continue to be used. Even if halfwidth characters were positioned properly, they never align vertically with the Japanese kana and kanji. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 22:11, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

 * Redirect all of these to their normal Latin character equivalents. The distinction between the fullwidth characters and their normal equivalents may be important for typesetting Japanese, but it's not important to human beings reading Wiktionary. By all means keep the redirects so people can find them (and won't re-create them), but don't keep the info on separate pages as if the fullwidth characters comprised a separate alphabet in any meaningful sense. —Angr 16:00, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * would work for me. Mglovesfun (talk) 00:03, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd vote for hard redirects. --WikiTiki89 00:13, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree, a hard redirect should be enough. The distinction between the two types of letters is really a matter of font alignment and not so much of the appearance of the letters. So Ｃ really is the same character as C, it just has a different Unicode representation and is treated a little differently in fonts and software. But it really is a computer-only distinction. On the other hand, the same could be said for Cyrillic А vs Latin A vs Greek Α... 00:35, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Cyrillic is used in more than one language, so you have the risk of language A having a lemma where language B has only a redirect. Full-width characters are specific to Japanese, so can be redirected without worry. Of course, someone could always use them in artificial ways like User:Doremítzwr used specialized IPA characters as superscripts, but I wouldn't lose any sleep over precluding that kind of entries. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:15, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hard redirect all such IMO. —msh210℠ (talk) 04:05, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hard redirect per Angr. — Ungoliant (Falai) 06:03, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I redirected all the entries I could find, but I may have missed some because the computer I'm on displays all fullwidth characters as boxes. - -sche (discuss) 19:39, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

title: Talk:CD


text: polyarchies

title: polyarchies


text: mazgātiem

title: mazgātiem


text:
mazgātās

Participle

title: mazgātās


text:
mazgātos

Participle

title: mazgātos


text: mazgātām

title: mazgātām


text: mazgātam

title: mazgātam


text: mazgātai

title: mazgātai


text: mazgātais

title: mazgātais


text: mazgāto

title: mazgāto


text: mazgātajam

title: mazgātajam


text: mazgātajām

title: mazgātajām


text: mazgātajā

title: mazgātajā


text: mazgātie

title: mazgātie


text: mazgātajiem

title: mazgātajiem


text: mazgātajai

title: mazgātajai


text: mazgātajos

title: mazgātajos


text: mazgātajās

title: mazgātajās


text: nemazgāta

title: nemazgāta


text: nemazgāti

title: nemazgāti


text: nemazgātus

title: nemazgātus


text:
nemazgātā

Participle

title: nemazgātā


text: nemazgātas

title: nemazgātas


text: nemazgātiem

title: nemazgātiem


text:
nemazgātās

Participle

title: nemazgātās


text:
nemazgātos

Participle

title: nemazgātos


text:
Talk:lampoon

lampoon
Rfv-sense: (Noun) "A light, good-humored satire." This is 180 degrees from what I see in other dictionaries: a lampoon is described as anything but "light" or "good-humored". Both of the noun definitions were added at the same time by an IP as their only contribution. Although I'm starting with a single sense, some thought needs to be given to restructuring the noun section as a whole- I'm not so sure the remaining sense as written covers everything accurately. Chuck Entz (talk) 01:17, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 23:59, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Striking; unverified sense has been removed from the entry. bd2412 T 15:11, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

title: Talk:lampoon


text: kuanza

title: kuanza


text:
embamba

Adjective

 * 1) narrow
 * 2) thin, slim
 * 1) thin, slim

title: embamba


text:
epesi

Adjective

 * 1) light not heavy

Antonyms

 * -zito

title: epesi


text:
ingi

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to sheathe

Adjective

 * 1) Amerindian

Noun

 * 1) Amerindian

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) much; a lot of; many

Antonyms

 * -chache

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) tooth

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) many
 * 2) big, large (when used in the singular, especially with inanimate objects)
 * 3)  plenty-having, having an abundance of something (when used in the class 1 forms)
 * 1) big, large (when used in the singular, especially with inanimate objects)
 * 2)  plenty-having, having an abundance of something (when used in the class 1 forms)
 * 1)  plenty-having, having an abundance of something (when used in the class 1 forms)
 * 1)  plenty-having, having an abundance of something (when used in the class 1 forms)

Usage notes

 * This adjective is normally used with countable nouns in the plural, and material nouns in the singular. However, the class 1 forms can also mean "many" despite their singularity.

title: ingi


text:
βa

Adverb

 * 1)  again

Etymology
From a root ba~βa~wa.

Particle

 * 1) not, no

title: βa


text: Category:Mor (Austronesian) terms derived from Proto-Austronesian


text: Category:Mor (Austronesian) particles

title: Category:Mor (Austronesian) particles


text: Category:Mor (Austronesian) terms derived from Austronesian languages


text: Category:Mor (Austronesian) terms derived from other languages


text: Category:Mor (Austronesian) language

title: Category:Mor (Austronesian) language


text:
Talk:βa

The fact that this is written in two scripts seems... unideal... but that's how it's written in the references I have to hand. - -sche (discuss) 02:00, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

title: Talk:βa


text: ichiō

title: ichiō


text: Category:Translingual terms suffixed with -mycetidae


text: Category:Translingual terms prefixed with rhodo-


text: いちおう

title: いちおう


text: ichigatsu

title: ichigatsu


text:
Ovibos

Etymology
From +.

Hypernyms

 * ; - subfamily

Hyponyms

 * For species see or

title: Ovibos


text:
Template:Bovidae Hypernyms

 * Bovidae - family

title: Template:Bovidae Hypernyms


text:
Template:Bovidae Hypernyms/documentation

Just a typing aid for material to appear under the Hypernyms heading for taxa below the level of Bovidae.


text:
旧姓

Etymology
From ja.

Noun

 * 1) a "former family name"

title: 旧姓


text:
デルタ

Etymology
From or.

Noun

 * 1) delta
 * 2) difference between two values
 * 1) difference between two values

title: デルタ


text:
左派

Noun

 * 1)  left wing

Adjective

 * 1)  left-wing

Noun

 * 1) left wing

title: 左派


text: アドルフ

title: アドルフ


text:
ヒューストン

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Proper noun

 * 1) Other places in the United States:
 * 1) Other places in the United States:
 * 1) Other places in the United States:
 * 1) Other places in the United States:

title: ヒューストン


text:
dikte

Etymology
From, from , from ; compare 🇨🇬. .

Noun

 * 1) thickness

Noun

 * 1) a small waterpot

Usage notes

 * Denotes a pot smaller than a gimbi.

Etymology
From, from , from.

Noun

 * 1) dictating, the process of speaking for someone else to write down the words
 * 2)  an activity in school where the teacher reads a passage aloud and the students write it down
 * 1) dictating, the process of speaking for someone else to write down the words
 * 2)  an activity in school where the teacher reads a passage aloud and the students write it down

Etymology
, from, feminine singular of the past participle of.

Noun

 * 1) dictation

title: dikte


text:
fonemo

Noun

 * 1) phoneme

Noun

 * 1) phoneme

title: fonemo


text:
重傷

Noun

 * 1) serious wound; grievous injury

Noun

 * 1)  serious wound

title: 重傷


text: majime

title: majime


text:
コーラス

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) chorus

title: コーラス


text:
メダリスト

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) medalist

title: メダリスト


text: Category:Novial contractions

title: Category:Novial contractions


text:
ダーク

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) dark dark in color
 * 2) dark, shady secret

Noun

 * 1) darkness in color
 * 2) darkness, secrecy, obscurity

title: ダーク


text: まじめ

title: まじめ


text:
辞退

Noun

 * 1) declining, turning down, refusal

Verb

 * 1) to turn down, to decline, to refuse, to pass up

title: 辞退


text:
退官

Noun

 * 1) retirement from office

Verb

 * 1) to retire from office; to retire from one's post

title: 退官


text:
хранение

Noun

 * 1) custody, safekeeping temporary possession
 * 2) storage, storing
 * 1) storage, storing

title: хранение


text:
新党

Noun

 * 1) new party, especially a new political party

title: 新党


text:
ハーバード

Etymology
From.

Proper noun

 * 1) Harvard

title: ハーバード


text:
Trachurus

Etymology
From.

Hyponyms

 * (Atlantic horse mackerel) - type species; for other species see or

title: Trachurus


text:
全曲

Noun

 * 1) the entire tune or song
 * 2) all tunes or songs

title: 全曲


text:
フランソワ

Proper noun

 * 1) François

title: フランソワ


text:
シリンダー

Etymology
From, that ultimately from.

Noun

 * 1) cylinder, circular cylinder three-dimensional geometric shape
 * 2)  an object with a cylindrical shape
 * 3)  cylinder; engine cylinder space within which a piston moves
 * 1)  cylinder; engine cylinder space within which a piston moves
 * 1)  cylinder; engine cylinder space within which a piston moves
 * 1)  cylinder; engine cylinder space within which a piston moves

title: シリンダー


text:
Capricornis

Etymology
From +.

Hypernyms

 * ; - subfamily

Hyponyms

 * For species see or

title: Capricornis


text: indecisiones

title: indecisiones


text:
ジェフ

Proper noun

 * 1) Jeff
 * 2) Geoff

title: ジェフ


text:
不真面目

Etymology
Compound of

Adjective

 * 1) not serious, nonchalant, trivial

Noun

 * 1) lack of seriousness

title: 不真面目


text: fumajime

title: fumajime


text:
tênia

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) tapeworm

title: tênia


text:
nedecideso

Noun

 * 1) indecision, indecisiveness state

title: nedecideso


text: nedecidesi

title: nedecidesi


text: ふまじめ

title: ふまじめ


text:
常時

Adverb

 * 1) normally; usually; ordinarily
 * 2) often; frequently

Synonyms

Noun

 * 1) done always, continuously, constantly
 * 2) being habitual, regular

title: 常時


text:
decideso

Noun

 * 1) decisiveness state

title: decideso


text: decidesi

title: decidesi


text:
nedecidemeso

Noun

 * 1) indecision character

title: nedecidemeso


text: nedecidemesi

title: nedecidemesi


text:
decidemeso

Noun

 * 1) decisiveness

title: decidemeso


text: decidemesi

title: decidemesi


text:
改築

Noun

 * 1) reconstruction of all or part of a building

Verb

 * 1) rebuild all or part of a building

title: 改築


text:
decidema

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) decisive

title: decidema


text: ユニホーム

title: ユニホーム


text:
nedecidema

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) indecisive of a person

title: nedecidema


text:
金庫

Noun

 * 1) treasury; coffers
 * 2) national treasury; state treasury; exchequer; public purse; public coffers
 * 3) safe

Noun

 * 1) a safe

title: 金庫


text: tênias

title: tênias


text:
ユニフォーム

Etymology
Borrowed from.

title: ユニフォーム


text:
ウエスタン

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) western
 * 2) country and western

title: ウエスタン


text:
decidiva

Adjective

 * 1) decisive, conclusive of a battle

title: decidiva


text: Category:Ido terms suffixed with -iva

title: Category:Ido terms suffixed with -iva


text:
校区

Noun

 * 1)  school district

title: 校区


text:
nedecidiva

Adjective

 * 1) indecisive, inconclusive

title: nedecidiva


text:
バート

Proper noun

 * 1) Bart
 * 2) Bert
 * 3) Burt

title: バート


text:
マレー

Etymology
Borrowed from, , , ,.

Proper noun

 * 1) Malay
 * 2) Moray
 * 3) Murray
 * 4) Mallet
 * 5) Marais

title: マレー