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How can it have both the highest and lowest restaurants/capita in the Phoenix area!? AntonioDsouza 20:43, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

About the "town"
Carefree is a town and not an enclave. It may have been designed as a retreat or enclave, but "enclave" refers to something of a rather exclusive nature, e.g. the Green Zone. If the town must be characterised as "upscale", the term should be placed inside quotation marks and references cited. (Real estate agents tend to inflate real estate appraisale, so using tghem as references is not very reliable.)  The Gnome (talk) 13:59, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If you want to remove the quotation marks around "upscale", please do so after presenting your case here, in the Talk page. -The Gnome (talk) 14:46, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Names of streets
It is worth mentioning in the article that some of the town's street names are "whimsical". It is not worth mentioning that some of them have "western-flavored" names too. This is a town in Arizona, USA! It would be noteworthy if the town's streets did NOT have such names!.. The Gnome (talk) 13:59, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

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Stephenie Meyer was born in Hartford, Connecticut; she has lived in Cave Creek only recently. Does this make her a "native" in the Wikipedia sense of the term? Pnh (talk) 22:23, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

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Shawn Michaels
He was born on Williams Air Force Base. Though his biography states that it is in Chandler, this is incorrect, as it has never been part of the city -- it was only recently annexed to a city in the 1980s, and it was Mesa, not Chandler, that did so. -- Miwa * talk * contribs ^_^ 18:22, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

when i lived there i loved it was just hot asm hell —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.211.222.178 (talk) 13:51, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Removal of Canli
The Piman name for the town has been removed inasmuch as it is simply transformation of the English name, is not historically significant as a name in the Pima ethnos, and is not even used by Pimas in a formal sense when speaking English (for example: "I went to Canli, oops, I mean Chandler, last week." is not a sentence you would ever hear from a Piman (except possibly mocking his own accent).

Removal of San Marcos Hotel link. first golf resort in arizona
This IS NOT ADVERTISING. This hotel is a landmark in the town and a historic site. I am not associated with the hotel. Vic dood 01:19, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

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Intel Breaks Ground in Arizona
Here is the press kit about Intel Breaks Ground in Arizona. Rjluna2 (talk) 16:52, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Major Revisions to Data in Chandler, AZ Article
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I have made some major changes to this Wikipedia article. Some of the information provided in some parts of this article is outdated. I have since replaced or provided additional information. For example, the Economy section of Chandler, Arizona does not encapsulate enough history. I also organized sections of the article to look more readable.

→ I added revisions to the history of Chandler, adding citations from the official ChandlerpediA website as needed. → I also expanded on Chandler's healthcare. Valleywise is not the only health provider in the City. → Chandler also hosts a Tumbleweed Tree lighting ceremony, not just the Ostrich Festival alone. → I updated the information in the Demographics section of the article to include data from the latest US census (2020). → I updated the infobox settlement to include US census data (2020). I also added a new zip code: 85248. → I expanded the information on the Parks and Recreation section to include Hamilton Aquatic Center. → I updated the government section of the article, specifically council members. → I added a table to include all historical properties listed by the Chandler Historical Society. → I made new sections to make the article more organized.

There are probably a few more things I forgot to list. I changed or added more media to the article. I also updated the flag of Chandler as well as their logo typography. They don't use just the seal anymore.

Of course, I provided citations for these changes.

Before any changes, I have made a rough draft here: Chandler, Arizona rough draft

Please take a moment to review this article, and let me know if you see any discrepancies or errors. I live in Chandler and have been for over a decade, and I'm pretty sure I didn't screw up on anything, but just in case I did feel free to leave a comment on my talk page or add to this one.

Any opposition? Ariauroic (talk) 01:16, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Some of the issues with your draft include: I would strongly encourage you to make small edits to this article, and carefully read the above. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:42, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * A low-quality, over-colorized personal photo in the infobox. (see MOS:IMAGES).
 * This source is user-generated. (see WP:UGC)
 * You cannot remove "citation needed" tags without fixing the problem.
 * You added a section about "US citizenship", citing this source. Where is citizenship mentioned?
 * The section about "Median Earnings by Industry and Gender" is unnecessary (see WP:USCITIES). Also, in section headings, only the first letter is capitalized; "and" should be used rather than ampersands; "Professional, Scientific, & Management" is not a proper noun, so needn't be capitalized.
 * The education section should be about the schools in the city, not about the demographics. (see WP:USCITIES)
 * In the economy section, do not bold words unnecessarily. (see MOS:NOBOLD); do not add external links in place of citations (see WP:EL); avoid using company press releases as reliable sources.
 * "The city is known for having a wide variety of diverse, authentic dining options, with many cuisines from around the world"...is unencyclopedic, as this isn't the city website (see MOS:WTW and WP:NOT)
 * "Here is a conclusive list of all historic properties in Chandler", is unnecessary. Just link to the list.
 * A history of the Price Freeway is unnecessary.
 * The layout should conform to WP:USCITIES.

 * Thank you for your feedback and taking the time to help me. I was unaware such parameters existed (such as WP:USCITIES). I have fixed most of the issues in the article.
 * For your comment on the Price Corridor history, if you are talking about the brief description under "Freeways", I was not the author of that section. If you are talking about "Economy", I have removed any comments on the subject, but I have kept what was previously in the original article.
 * I removed the user-generated citation, although it is managed by the Chandler Museum as an entity the citation was also not in the original article.
 * I removed some redundant parts of the "Demographics" section. I will likely add more later, modelling after the original article.
 * I also conformed the layout to WP:USCITIES as accurately as I could.
 * Please let me know if there are any other issues. If you give the green light, I will implement the new information on an edit-by-edit basis. Ariauroic (talk) 16:40, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It's not up to me to give the green light. You are free to edit the article as you like. However, if I revert one of your edits again, and cite a policy as the reason for my revert...and you respond again by reverting my edit again, then you will have crossed into disruptive editing.  Thanks for your understanding. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:39, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I apologize for reverting your edit(s). I was not aware a talk page existed. I will keep that in mind. Thank you for your help, and thanks for keeping the conversation civil. Ariauroic (talk) 20:46, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Economy: Re-do?
Hi there,

Information in "Economy" is somewhat outdated, especially since Chandler is now the tech hub of the whole East Valley and the whole Phoenix metro area for that matter. There is data from years ago that isn't up to date now. Considering re-doing that section from scratch. Also, I think it's important to provide a brief history of how Chandler got its economy, so readers understand how Chandler got to its position today.

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The infobox automatically makes Fred Waterman into a link, but it links to an article about a baseball player that died in 1899.

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Boasting about highest paid mayor
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Tallest fountain
When did the mention of the fountain change from second tallest to third tallest? I am aware that it is no longer the tallest, as there is a taller one in East St. Louis, Illinois. But I am not aware of another one? Dr. Cash 18:31, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The Port Fountain in Karachi is also taller. --Traal 22:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

As of Sept. 2007, the tallest I can find are: King Fahd's, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia (1985) 1,023.62 Feet; Gateway, E St Louis, Ill. (1995) 630 feet; Port, Karachi, Pakistan (2006) 620 feet. Fperazelli 17:58, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

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Spanish name
Okay... no... not working! Gila Bend may often be pronounced something like /ˈχiˌla ˈbɛn/ in Spanish, but the name is written in Spanish texts almost invariably as "Gila Bend". Just as we don't write "Guhir" for "Goodyear" or "Cuin Cric" for "Queen Creek", "Apachillanchan" for "Apache Junction", "Macahí" for "Buckeye", or "Calle Ruzvel" instead of "Calle Roosevelt", we don't write "Gila Ben" for "Gila Bend". Okay? --Node 00:46, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Makes perfect sense to me; I always thought that looked wrong. Thanks for the correction! Karen | Talk | contribs 00:49, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Come to think of it, though, that was probably meant to be a pronunciation rather than a spelling. Still, I have no preference as to whether it should be here. Seems like a pretty minor distinction from the English pronunciation, which borrows from Spanish in the first place. Karen | Talk | contribs 00:57, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Gila Bend Air Auxiliary Field
Someone want to talk about Gila Bend Air Auxiliary Field in this article or add information? I think it would be pertinent. --DJREJECTED 11:44, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

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Town
Gilbert the largest town in the US? Is this semantics or vandalism? Brian Rock 02:33, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Semantics; largest area incorporated as a town, as opposed to a city. Brad Jones 03:52, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, isn't it more complicated than that? Look at, e.g. Town of Hempstead, New York; North Hempstead, New York.  Obviously, New York towns are not municipalities, but are more like sub-counties.  But the issue seems awkward, doesn't it? john k 03:49, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Hempstead is not a separately incorporated area listed in the census listing. Given the subject, I would consider the census listing definitive, but I will readily admit to personal bias. -- Kazrak 00:32, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * You're Right, but they are still incorporated Municipal Corporations or "Minor Civil Divisions" but as stated they are "Municipalities" or "Towns". AndrewSan12 (talk) 01:06, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !
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Notable natives and residents
this section needs some serious cleanup; either valid citations need to be forthcoming that demonstrate that these indiciduals are from or reside in Gilbert, or they need to be removed. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 00:36, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

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Higley Traditional Academy in historic buildings
Higley Traditional Academy was founded in 1909. Why isn't in historic buildings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike Weber02 (talk • contribs) 00:42, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

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Notable people
This section has been tagged for lack or citations since 2010, with many of the tags on individual entries since the same time. I found a source for one of them, but I don't anything about Gilbert, save for the fact that it's in Arizona. Each entry needs an inline citation which establishes both notability and a significant tenure of residency. Please see WP:RELIABLE and WP:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline. Thank you, Oldsanfelipe (talk) 19:32, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Population figure is wrong
The indicated population figure for Gilbert, AZ, 243,254 people, seems wrong. The cited source is. However, the indicated sources there refers to the estimate in April 2019. Using QuickFacts feature of the U.S. Census Bureau, it is revealed that Gilbert has 267,918 residents per 2020 census. Pinging who added the figure. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 09:46, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * JWilz12345 I would consider the US Census data to be more authoritative in this instance. There are cases of unincorporated sections of cities not being counted in official numbers. Certainly do as thou wilt. Dobble stein 🎲 🎲 talk 20:28, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I searched for Gilbert, AZ in U.S. Census Bureau's website, and the results show it has 267,918 people. Seems the 267K figure is the final one. Unsure if the search URL from U.S. Census Bureau can be used as a citation/reference though. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 04:54, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Town Growth Census Data
Hello Wikipedians, I would like to add census data that discusses Gilbert's growth rate with the census data source and citation. I am new to Wikipedia editing, so please feel free to offer any input or suggestions. LisaLamphere (talk) 02:53, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

 * I went ahead and added Census data and citation regarding the growth of Gilbert under demographics. Again, I am new to Wikipedia editing, so please feel free to offer any helpful input or suggestions for proper notation of changes and editing. LisaLamphere (talk) 01:30, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Town logo
The town logo changed a while back. As bad as the new design may be in my opinion, it is official so it should be added to the article in place of the old one 2600:8800:2598:9A00:39D7:35A3:61:82EB (talk) 04:58, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

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What is the elevation"?
 * According to VisitGlendale.com, 1,150ft. Uagent 05:31, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Link Spam
Would whoever is attempting to raise their google placement by spamming this page with their parked domain please knock it off? I've reverted the spam 3 times already this month. Uagent 05:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Attraction Section
Whoever added the attraction section, it's a great idea. I think we should move some of the info out of the intro paragraph and into the section, since it'd give the ability to go into more depth than should be done in the introduction. Uagent 06:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Nickname?
Glendale nickname is "the other DALE" when compared to Scottsdale.

......really??? I've lived in Glendale for years and have never heard this. I think this should be removed. There isn't even a source to back this up. 68.231.15.20 04:37, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I've tried to improve the section on the rivalry and I've removed that sentence (I've never heard that nickname either) but it's still pretty horrid. More than anything else, it needs good sources. -- The_socialist talk? 03:04, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Notable Residents
Could add Evan Mecham, former governor of AZ (who has a lengthy page to himself here), who lived in Glendale. His page indicates that he lived in Glendale, but there's no mention of him here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sinderbloog (talk • contribs) 16:09, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

FYI--Marty Robbins died some time ago. If he's still a resident, he's in the dirt side of the grass174.103.223.79 (talk) 02:38, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

What? An article about a city without it's history?
How can anyone write an article about a city or town without including a "history" section of the same? Well, I fixed that. That's the beauty of Wikipedia, where anyone can make the proper additions and corrections to it's articles. Tony the Marine (talk) 22:34, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

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Swift City?
It seems like Glendale is renaming itself Swift City for a Taylor Swift tour. Is it worth noting in the article? There seems to be some reliable sources. Liliana UwU (talk / contributions) 19:24, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

 * Speaking of which, there's a Rolling Stone article about it. Liliana UwU  (talk / contributions) 19:53, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * No, per WP:NOTNEWS. Magnolia677 (talk) 20:05, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thought so too, and I agree it doesn't belong. Seems like Swift stans really want the name in the article, though. Liliana UwU  (talk / contributions) 20:14, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * We're not news but if enough coverage about it makes it covered enough on-going so it be comes a notable part of its history after this week, some addition could make sense. Something similar-esq happened a bit ago when Rainn Wilson announced a name change as part of an awareness campaign for climate change and it's ended up as a short mention in Rainn Wilson, after some attempts to update his name.
 * But since they've made clear this is a short-term ceremonial change (unlike Truth or Consequences, New Mexico), none of the names (bolded, infobox, etc) should be changed. Skynxnex (talk) 21:28, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Oops I did create a redirect LegalSmeagolian (talk) 16:07, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It is not note-worthy in the article's lead or infobox, but I believe it should be noted in one of the sections, like Art and Culture.  ℛonherry  ☘  19:12, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Strong disagree - it is a single concert in a major metro area. If Taylor was from Glendale then like maybe, but she isn't. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 15:29, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * But there is wide coverage by several reliable publications.  ℛonherry  ☘  15:21, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a news source though, it is an encyclopedia. The Eras Tour page already mentions the Glendale tidbit. I do not necessarily think this is an encyclopedic detail for the town, as it is a ceremonial two day name change. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 15:29, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * What is not encyclopedic about mentioning the fact that the city changed its name for two days for an artist who is set to boost the city economy so much that the city council decided to capitalize on it by doing a ceremonial, temporary name change? This is not simply a case of daily news coverage though. If the city council decided it was right to do all that for a two-day concert, I think that's support enough to include the "tidbit" in the Arts and Culture section about their city. Also, if there is information to be included associating subjects A and B, then that information should be mentioned in articles of both A and B, not just A or B; otherwise, it is not neutral. Additionally, this is not the first time a Swift tour is starting in Glendale. Her 2018 tour began here, but did not achieve the same type of widespread news coverage; but this one did, making it a different case. Also, Rihanna's show.  ℛonherry  ☘  16:01, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I also want to point out that it's not just a temporary name change, but also the malls are putting up stuff, meanwhile the restaurants and businesses are capitalizing on it by changing their routines. The entire city is doing it like a typical American annual town feast. All this makes the event's inclusion necessary in the Arts and Culture section.  ℛonherry  ☘  16:05, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Not sure what Rihannas show has to do with it.LegalSmeagolian (talk) 01:31, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Try Google to understand the media coverage it received. But one could argue Glendale administration did not do anything for the halftime show, and that's exactly why the whole name chabge should be included in the section, 'cause it's not about Swift but about the city coming forward on its own to temporarily change its name. It's about the city.  ℛonherry  ☘  06:59, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2023
Taylorspeaknowfan13 (talk) 17:06, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

SWIFT CITY, ERAZONA. THAT'S ALL I ASK, YOU CAN CHANGE IT AFTER THE ERAS TOUR.
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 17:11, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

 * They want the article title changed.LegalSmeagolian (talk) 01:29, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

St. John's Dairy
Whatever happened to St. Johns Dairy on 51st and Thunderbird Rd. Area.? Sunburst Farms Elementary School backed into them in the early 1970s. ItzMeGayle (talk) 03:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

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I've been expanding the article (trying to get it C-class)
I have expanded the article significantly by adding much more content to the page. Still, in my opinion, it should stay start- class unless it gets over 20,000 or 25,000 bytes long. I'm trying to expand as much as I can. I'll try to get this to C-class status (and maybe mid-importance). To get to C-class, I will expand this significantly (well longer than 15,000 bytes). UsefulWikipedia (talk) 19:29, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Government and infrastructure section too short. I can expand this article also, by using the city website.
The section is very short, talking only about prisons. It needs like city hall, mayor content, and anything else. The good thing is it has two references. I really want to try to make this C-class so in order to receive this rating this needs to be expanded significantly.UsefulWikipedia (talk) 20:40, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

References added (Double the old amount)
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Update on references
Goodyear used to have only seven references but now has three times that: 21. UsefulWikipedia (talk) 23:42, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Goodyear history
I have found some information about the history of Goodyear. There are 2 historically significant locations in Arizona that are related to Goodyear, both were created by the Goodyear tire and rubber company in 1917. There is this location, which started with the purchase of 16000 acres of land by Goodyear rubber and tire company, which is now the city of Goodyear. In its early days this settlement was called Egypt, named for the Egyptian long staple cotton that was grown here.

The second site, which was created in 1917 as well was formed when the Goodyear rubber and tire company leased 8000 acres of land from Dr. A.J. Chandler 4 miles south of the chandler town site. This area covered 12 square miles from hunt hwy on the south to Ocotillo rd on the north, and from McQueen rd on the east to Price rd on the west. Goodyear spent more than $1.5 million in improvements to the land, including developing a town. This company town provided workers with everything they needed, including housing, medical care, schools, shopping, and entertainment all provided by the Goodyear company. The cotton market crashed in 1920, forcing Goodyear to sell off its interests near Chandler and consolidate its operations in Arizona to the West Valley.

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http://chandlerpedia.org/Exhibits/Cotton_and_Goodyear/07._Goodyear%3A_A_Company_Town

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The city hall photo in the infobox is outdated and needed to be replaced by the city’s new city hall. RandomMainstream (talk) 15:47, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

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more populous than Miami?
Is this right? at 0.5 million population vs. Miami's 5.5 million. Mesa is only one tenth the size of Miami. It seems there is a mistake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.18.220.74 (talk) 12:34, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Miami's city limits population is only 442,241, the metro population is 6.1 million. So, comparing city limits to city limits, Mesa is bigger. But I'm not sure why that matters enough to make it onto the page – just seems like weird bragging. Gepece (talk) 14:32, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Jarring economic diversity
The demographics section states: "Mesa's residents exhibit jarring economic diversity, with low-income areas constructed somewhat close to high-scale neighborhoods with extravagant custom homes." While I agree with this statement based on general observations alone, Can't the same be said for most valley cities, especially Phoenix? I'd like to find out what particular neighborhood the author of this statement is referring to, if not see a source cited, one that would differentiate Mesa from any other large city/suburb in that respect. Thanks Roadiejay 20:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

 * As a Mesan myself, I agree with you. I see huge economic disparities within the city. Perhaps we could find a government source for income levels? I know the areas around Mountain View High School are wealthier than the areas around, say, Westwood (with a few notable exceptions of course). We should find government statistics on the average income of families in these schools' boundaries. Pahoran513 00:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I don't believe Mesa's economic diversity is any different than that of, say... Phoenix, which also has many pockets of slum areas intermingled with nice neighborhoods. I think it's more or less characteristic of Arizona in general, and not a phenomenon exclusive to Mesa. So what I was getting at in my original post, is that I don't see why Mesa's "Economic diversity" even deserves a mention in the article. Roadiejay 10:53, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Ive read somewhere that the economy of Mesa resembels a post Soviet City. Take a look at the roads and its policies with new bussineses. 12.164.129.203 21:10, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

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Should these numbers add up to 100%?
"The racial make-up of the city was 69.30% White, 13.30% Black or African American, 2.2% Native American, 2.00% Asian, 0.10% Pacific Islander, 9.3% from other races, and 1.30% from two or more races. 52.70% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race."2candle 11:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

 * The US Census considers Hispanic/Non-Hispanic independently of White/Black/Asian, etc. Therefore, someone can be both White and Hispanic or Black and Hispanic. As a result, the number usually add up to over 100%. However, someone vandalized the article and changed the numbers. I just changed them back to the official US Census estimates. -Nicktalk 16:28, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Also, people can be multiple races, so someone can be white, black, AND asian. --Node (talk) 10:00, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

 * The person above you just said that...Lunamia (talk) 22:07, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

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Sister Cities
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Mesa Suburb?
I reverted back to Mesa as a suburb and not a "satellite city" as was stated. Most newspapers (see below) call it correctly as a suburb and not a satellite city. Population alone does not mean a city is not a suburb. Aurora IL is the second largest City in Illinois so is it still a suburb? Long Beach is a massive City located with the LA metro area is it still a suburb? The answer to these questions are of course they are.

The City of Phoenix is by far the largest City in the Valley of the Sun (Phoenix Metro). It owns and controls the largest airport in the State of Arizona, in addition to two other reliever airports. In Mesa the Phoenix-Mesa Airport is controlled by a board of five members. One of those members is appointed by the Phoenix Mayor (at current the chair of the airport board is Thelda Williams a Phoenix Council member). This is different to other areas such as Dallas-Ft Worth and Minneapolis-St Paul who share ownership and control over the largest airports serving their metro areas. Airports are just one example of this.

"The Chicago Cubs have held spring training in Mesa, Ariz., on and off since the 1950s, and residents of the Phoenix suburb obviously want them to stay." http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/11/03/cubs-spring-training-to-stay-in-arizona-after-voters-approve-st/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oak999 (talk • contribs) 23:00, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Churches
There are currently 8 churches listed in this section (with external links to each of their websites), but this search at the East Valley Tribune website has over 2000 entries for churches. There is no way to reasonably include all of the churches in Mesa in a list in this article, nor is there a fair way to include some but not others, even if this excludes some large &/or well established local congregations. Because of this, this section should be removed & not added back. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 18:45, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

 * It is not reasonable to follow your proposed suggestion for removing the church section for the Mesa Arizona listing. By following your logic then any and all references about the Church of Later Day Saints should also be removed from the Mesa listing. "even if this excludes some large &/or well established local congregations." It is up to the each local church body to decide if they want to take the time to be list or not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tntcustom (talk • contribs) 04:15, 1 December 2010

 * If there were external links to web pages for individual congregations of the Mormon Church on this page, I would wholeheartedly support removing them; however that is not the case, so that is a red herring. A desire by a particular congregation of any faith to be included in this article doesn't matter if listing it doesn't meet Wikipedia guidelines. A review of wp:EL, wp:LINKSPAM, wp:SPA, wp:COI, wp:FAQ/Organizations & wp:GRIEF may be in order. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 01:00, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

 * The Mesa Arizona Temple meets Wikipedia's notibility criteria (note the interal wikilink instead of external links), so there is not need to excise it from this article. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 22:23, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

 * That previous statement doesn't mean that the image of the Mesa Arizona Temple needs to stay in the Cultural attractions section, even though it does belong in the list. If there are better quality image of structures on that list, it'd be fine to use them instead. We have a couple of images on the Mesa Arts Center article, but they are of lesser quality; same goes for HoHoKam Park. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 22:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Mesa's history was strongly influenced by the LDS Church; that's just a fact, regardless if this is seen as positive or negative. If you want to fix a perceived bias towards coverage of Mormonism on this article, deletion is not the correct solution. Instead find Mesa related religious topics that meet Wikipedia (WP) guidelines (including wp:V, wp:N, wp:NOT, & wp:EL) and write about them either here in this article or (preferably) on their own article & wp:wikilink to that material. WP is about building an encyclopedia, not about creating lists of external links that can be used as a directory; if you want information about a particular topic included, help build the encyclopedia by following WP guidelines. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 23:25, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

 * Hopefully by removing the external links, but leaving the (mostly) red wikilinks & including template:cleanup-laundry & template:Cleanup-list will help those that were adamant about including this list to better understand what the issues with it are. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 22:30, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

 * The community of Lehi, Arizona later annexed by Mesa, this large suburban city has an estimated Mormon percentage at 20-25 percent thus making Mesa the largest city of the so-called Mormon Corridor in the western USA, and Mesa is more populous than Salt Lake City itself, the LDS church's headquarters in Utah. 71.102.21.238 (talk) 12:57, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

County Seat
This article states that Mesa is the largest city that is not a county seat. What about Long Beach, CA?

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As of the 2020 census Mesa is larger than Long Beach, CA. The two cities that are larger and not county seats are Washington, DC and Baltimore, MD neither of which are in any county. Washington, DC's partial counties were abolished in 1871 and the city was reorganized into a single Federal District. Baltimore has been an Independent City since 1851. Gepece (talk) 14:39, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Largest suburb?
Long Beach, California has a higher population than Mesa. After all, isn't Long Beach a suburb of Los Angeles? ANDROS1337 TALK 23:49, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Parks and Recreation
There is nothing in this article about Mesa's Parks and Recreation amenities. I would like to include The Trust for Public Land's 2013 ParkScore ranking of the city. Mesa was ranked as having the 46th best park system out of the 50 most populous US Cities. 2013 Park Score Ranking - Mesa

There should at least be a line about Mesa's well-known parks, such as Pioneer Park (the oldest park established in 1947) and Red Mountain Park (Mesa's largest park at 1,144 acres). Also, it should be noted that the park system is run by the "City of Mesa Parks and Recreation" agency. http://www.mesaaz.gov/parksrec/

Structure
Hi. I'm going through all the US Cities (as per List of United States cities by population) in an effort to provide some uniformity in structure. Anyone have an issue with me restructuring this article as per WikiProject Cities/US Guideline. I won't be changing any content, merely the order. Occasionally, I will also move a picture just to clean up spacing issues. I've already gone through the top 20 or so on the above list, if you'd like to see how they turned out. Thoughts? Onel5969 (talk) 16:08, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Timeline of Mesa, Arizona
What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 10:39, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Notable people - Ambassador Jonathan Dean
Anyone else think that Jonathan Dean deserves a place:

http://blog.ucsusa.org/david-wright/ambassador-jonathan-dean-390?

https://books.google.de/books?id=Ys4lBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=%22jonathan+dean%22+interview&source=bl&ots=qRicaXwjT7&sig=mdRzB4dpiHcWMjyQP4t_SclHrSc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjKo76tmorPAhXCchQKHc0uBqYQ6AEIIzAB#v=onepage&q=%22jonathan%20dean%22%20interview&f=false

and so on...

The notable people secion it quite sports-heavy at present. Dean was a real global heavyweight in security and peace policy and arms control.

I added his name, but it was reverted. I can't imagine why. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YusufAlBinVeryNaughty (talk • contribs) 16:04, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

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East vs. West Mesa
The dividing lines given in the article between East vs. West Mesa don't seem to be what most people use. It seems like the most common divider is actually Gilbert Road based on my experience. Should I add this to the article? ANDROS1337 TALK 18:08, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

 * There is a three-pronged argument for where "East Mesa" begins.
 * The "political" dividing line is Center Street, where addresses are formally differentiated - as is pointed out in the article.
 * There is Power Road, which is more of the "social" dividing line, as a majority of lands east of it are technically not in the boundaries or jurisdiction of the city. This is due to most of the housing developments choosing not to rely on city services but instead on things like Metro Rural for fire and rescue, and MCSO for police/sheriff services.
 * There is also the geographical division, which would be Greenfield Road - halfway between Price Road and Meridian Road.
 * To be honest (and as a Mesa resident), I would lean more towards Power Road, mostly because it's at that point where the city becomes less of a city and more of a collection of housing developments. Jwhouk 16:42, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

2010 Census racial composition info
How can

"According to the 2010 Census, the racial composition of Mesa was as follows:[21] White: 77.1% (Non-Hispanic Whites: 64.3%) Hispanic or Latino (of any race): 26.5% Black or African American: 3.5% Two or more races: 3.4% Native American: 2.4% Asian: 1.9% (0.5% Filipino, 0.3% Chinese, 0.3% Vietnamese, 0.3% Indian, 0.1% Korean, 0.1% Japanese) Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander: 0.4% Some other race: 5.8%"

and

"As of the census of 2010... The racial make-up of the city was 81.6% White, 2.4% Black or African American, 2.2% Native American, 2.00% Asian, 0.10% Pacific Islander, 9.3% from other races, and 1.30% from two or more races. 24.0% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race."

both be true?  S a u d a d e 7  06:59, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Proposed Update
Hello- I would like to update the "Demographics" section of this article. The article includes information from the 2010 census, while I found demographic information from 2017 on the U.S. Census Bureau website that is updated and more accurate. Would this be an acceptable edit? I've never done it before and I am trying to edit Wikipedia for my ASU class. --Edavidson1220 (talk) 15:11, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Possible edits
Hello everyone, I am very new to the editing feature on wikipedia but I just wanted to share some ideas to include and add in this article about Mesa, AZ. In the Parks and recreation section of the article, where it says golf they mentioned the "numerous championship golf courses. I would suggest perhaps including things to do here as well like for golfing talk about Golfland Mini Golf Course or things in that nature. That was anyone who may be visiting can also use this as a reference to find things to do. Under education, I think it would be important to include the Red for Ed protests that happened here as well. I know that this happened everywhere but this affected different areas in many ways and this article can help share same of the facts about the protests. ChristopherRockers1 (talk) 18:06, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Mesa is one of the best cities to retire in because of many of the same reasons it draws snowbirds to the area—the amazing weather and active lifestyle you can have golfing, hiking, or horseback riding! Its close proximity to Phoenix also allows retirees to enjoy the big city but live more comfortably in the suburbs.

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Neutrality problems
The "History" section of this article seems to have been written by someone with an agenda of opposing new development and the expansion of Phoenix and its planned suburbs. Several sentences are written with passive-agressive statements about "the future of the rural character" of New River and so on.

Wikipedia is not the place for this. Darkest tree (talk) 15:52, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned references in New River, Arizona
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of New River, Arizona's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "gnis": From Glendale, Arizona:  From Wranglers Roost Stagecoach Stop:  From Gavilan Peak (Arizona):  From Salt River (Arizona):  From Marinette, Arizona:  From Tolleson, Arizona:  From Theba, Arizona:

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 09:55, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

May 2019: Request Page Protection
Some IPs (could be the same editor) is attempting to delete the section on incorporation (which is referenced) and is replacing with unreferenced information. Attempts to get them to discuss on the Talk Page has failed. Clearly, this is a controversial issue in the town. I have requested page protection to prevent disruptive editing and force proper discussion on this section. thanks. Britishfinance (talk) 20:47, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

 * I've got concerns about the WP:EDITWAR, conflict of interest editing and its too hard for me to check through or sort out (certainly at the moment). I urge discussion and I also urge care about use of peoples names on the article.  Things needs to be sourced but also be aware of WP:LINKROT and ensure relevant web page references have archives of the state at which they are referenced.  Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 02:21, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Disruptive Editing
(the text below was copied from my talk page as this is the best forum for continuing the dicussion}. Britishfinance (talk) 09:04, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello Britishfinance, I am responding to reversions to the "New River, Arizona" wiki page. A group of neighbors have asked me to perform revisions, which will also include updates to facts, historical information, etc. and gathering necessary information requires my neighbor's inputs. For a brief amount of time, we expect the page to be incomplete until this information is updated and added.

As the recent "incorporation effort" was just shut down by the City of Phoenix and State of Arizona yesterday, my neighbors wanted, actually demanded, an immediate revision to the New River page to remove any information about the recent incorporation effort. I am dismayed to see that you, whom does not seem to have any stake in our small community, continue to revise the page for our community.

The statement that you will have the page locked is concerning as I do not see how you would have authority or ownership over our community, and we wish to retain authorship and editorial rights over information concerning our community. I respectfully ask that you divest yourself as an editor of our wiki. If you were granted authority by someone to do so, I would appreciate the contact name(s) of the person(s) that gave you this authority.

Please validate your authority to revise anything we, the residents of New River, choose to post about our home. As of this moment, I do not expect any further revisions from you regarding New River, Arizona. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nowayjoseaz (talk • contribs) 22:36, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

 * @ ... in my opinion this is not the way to go about addressing your concerns, especially as you may seem to have a WP:COI. I perhaps suggest raising at WP:TEAHOUSE to get neutral advice and entering discussions on the article talk page.  ThankyouDjm-leighpark (talk) 02:26, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

 * Replying to, , and  (which I think are all the same editor).
 * Hi, it is clear that you are not familiar with how Wikipedia (WP) works – which is completely fine.
 * On WP, nobody "owns" an article (see WP:OWN); not me, not you, and not the townspeople of New River. Stating that you are "acting on behalf of neighbors" carries no weight in WP – whether it is true or not.  WP is completely anonymous.  Note that using multiple accounts, called "sockpuppetry" on WP, is prohibited (per WP:SOCK).
 * Anybody can edit this article, as long as they follow WP policies and guidelines (e.g. WP:PAG), which require all content in an article comes from reliable independent secondary sources (e.g. WP:RS), and is "referenced" as such in the article. Without such reference, content can be removed.  The content you are adding has no references.
 * WP is a community built on "consensus". When deleting material amounts of referenced content (as you are doing), you need to explain on the Talk Page, why such an action is justified.  Content that is out-of-date or not relevant gets deleted every minute on WP.  However, in all cases, it is subject to the consensus of the WP community, and that is achieved on the Talk Page.
 * Note that this page has been temporarily "locked" to stop such disruptive editing (per WP:DE), in order to force a Talk Page discussion.
 * I can see from a google search, the issue of "incorporation" is a contentious one , and there seems (?) to be some kind of election or campaign going. If you are unable to create a "reference", just paste the link from a good source (e.g. local newspaper, but no blogs) on this Talk Page E.g. , and I will fix for you.
 * I am going to revert the article back to the point before you started deleting material (I think this is the best way).  I will leave it to you to explain in whatever words you want on this Talk Page, why the material should be deleted, and what should replace it (with references). Hope this makes sense and you see that we are acting fairly.
 * Britishfinance (talk) 10:00, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * @ I've not looked at the full implications of the revert but can I suggest you: (1) Avoid using peoples names in the content unless WP:RS (2) Re-apply the reference update I applied to the article (3) Re-add the sentence I marked as "Citation needed" relating to letter that have been claimed to be sent ... I WP:AGF it happened ... alternatively use Template:update (section level and with section parameter) with a comment noting the claimed letter and requiring a source. (I'm possibly engaged and offline for a while).  Thankyou.  Djm-leighpark (talk) 10:14, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * . Thanks for that. I agree and will incorporate your comments above into the article. Britishfinance (talk) 10:20, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * @ I with immediate effect removed a sentence containing names that I did not find backed by the current version of the source and no archive existed and the citation was possibly misleading and the source may not have met WP:RS. I also note I have some concerns the section may have WP:UNDUE weight in the context of the article and might do with considerable reduction in size and summarization ... but that is only a first glance and I might not necessarily take a second or detailed one.  If there is a lot to be said on the matter a sub-page might be an option but there will probably be a later attempt to WP:MERGE it back in.  Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 10:44, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * @ I think you are right on this. I had further made a larger re-write of this section as you were editing to remove all non-essential names, reduce tangential information, and include better references.  It seems that this is a live issue that is being campaigned for now; they are trying to collect 10% of the signatures needed to force a ballot in November on the issue.  I have therefore taken out any other sentences that look more like campaign material to advocate a position.  The topic is definitely notable for the town, but hopefully, it is now a simpler and more encyclopedic chronicle of the main events around it. thanks again. Britishfinance (talk) 10:53, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

 * I've just Moved sections in line with WP:Settlement ... moving incorporation efforts under government and moving the government section lower per American practice.  A rule of thumb is if in doubt (try to follow the current version of) WP:Settlement.  I think this improves the WP:PROPORTION of the incorporation efforts within the context of the article especially longer term.  Although earlier I was concerned about re-entering about the claimed letter or using an update template I'm not at all sure it would be more harm than good with the current wording as wikipedia is not expected to be bang up to date with news.  If the claimed letter has a reasonable source from which a claim or statement can be made then it is welcome.Djm-leighpark (talk) 12:24, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Agree with that, looks better post your change. Britishfinance (talk) 12:40, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Official website of settlement
I noticed on passing an issue on the Website parameter of the infobox but I am at first glance far from convinced the associated website represents the settlement officially so I have left it broken but at some point it needs to be watched and sorted:
 * Can someone confirm an official website non-controversial website for the settlement. The infobox broken Website parameter claims nrdhca.org and I have qualms if this is full justified. (it might be)? Djm-leighpark (talk) 12:24, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Incorporation plan end
Discussed previously I observe North Phoenix News (waybacked url shown) would seem to be a middlingly reliable source at first glance if someone wishes to update the article. (I'm not). Thanks. Djm-leighpark (talk) 17:50, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. nice one. Britishfinance (talk) 18:13, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Epcor in government section
This article is on my watchlist ... and I was concerned about a recent IP edit regarding as far as I can make out Epcor in the Government section. I looked at this around 06:00 UTC and wondered if I should revert it or require a citation or otherwise template. I have chosen to mark the problem statements as citation needed as the minimum needed however a different solution may be appropriate.Djm-leighpark (talk) 15:52, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

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Town of PV?
Is the incorporated name Paradise Valley or Town of Paradise Valley? If it's the latter, should the page be changed to reflect that?

POV?
This page seems a bit resentful towards the Paradise Valley Village in Phoenix. Yes, they have the same name. No, they didn't "steal" it. The "area" of Paradise Valley existed long before the town incorporated, and it always included parts of what is now Phoenix.

I don't find it resentful. Fact is fact. The Town of Paradise Valley is incorporated. The area known as Paradise Valley is Phoenix. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.169.32.75 (talk) 01:39, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

It's not resentful, it's factually incorrect. You repeatedly use the words "their name" or "its name" to refer to things that are in Paradise Valley Village and not Paradise Valley. You at one point say something to the affect that Paradise Valley Mall is not in Paradise Valley but in Phoenix, several miles to the north of the town which bears its name (paraphrasing). The name the mall is using is fairly obviously that of the Village that it is within and has nothing to do with the town. As the person above noted, both the town and the Phoenix village are referring to a geographical area, so your comments are not "fact". Rather than "resentful" as the person above noted, I'd call it "arrogant" and it is probably a result of classism. It should be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.180.2.248 (talk) 18:09, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Map
The article is so confusing to those who don't know the difference between Paradise Valley and the Village, a map is required for assistance. Abenr (talk) 15:15, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

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Silly debate over line in opening
No, it's not a debate as of yet, but I get the feeling it will be so I'll just jump in head first. So, gonna lay my cards out on the table. There is a line I have attempted to modify twice to add clarity to a statement in the article. The line is “Peoria is now larger in population than its namesake.” I added a short clarification as to why and it was reverted without no note as to the reason of the reversion. I added it again only to have it reverted, now with an expectation of a citation. Here is what I would like it to say that another user thinks is violation of WP:OR

“Peoria is now larger in population than its namesake, but this is due to being three times the size in land area, as it has approximately one third of the population density.”

I ask how that constitutes original research… I So, as for Onel5969’s request that I add an inline citation… Citation for what? Simple math? The statistical facts supporting my addition are right there at the side of the article. City sq. mileage, population, population density… All you have to do is read. And if that’s not good enough for you, then the line I am modifying should be omitted altogether as it has no citation either. The line is a statement about the comparison of the article’s subject in relation to the subject’s namesake. And while it’s even questionable why a statement is even in the article, let alone the opening, its information is misleading, as judging by the line alone, Peoria AZ seems like a “bigger city.” Almost seems intentional.

Which brings me to my next point. Why does it matter? Well, Peoria AZ is a suburb of Phoenix, which logically accounts for its size as it is largely a residential town. Its physical size (area) is three times that of its namesake. And, as population and population density are listen on both pages, it is easily seen that the IL city is nearly 3 times as dense, and covers about 1/3 the area. Peoria IL is a standalone metropolitan city with greater history and social, economic, and industrial importance. It is the central hub of Illinois, and one of the most important cities in the Midwest. It has what one may call suburbs like Chillicothe, E. Peoria, Pekin, Morton, Metamora, etc.

So, yes, I know all of this is irrelevant to the AZ page, but it is relevant to the connotation behind the line I have twice tried to modify. The connotation is such that, as I said before, and as the line is a lone statement of comparison, that the AZ city is in some way greater than its predecessor. While this may be true, it is not quantifiable, or qualifiable and to have the sole statistic of population within city limits is pointless. I am fine with removing the comparison altogether as I find it un-encyclopedic. But if it stays, it should clarified to remove what appears to bias. 73.51.83.101 (talk) 01:12, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

 * Hi. No, simple math is not WP:OR, but your commentary on that math is, e.g. "but this is due to being three times the size in land area". The fact, regardless of the area, is that Peoria, AZ now has a larger population than its namesake. Who is to say that it wouldn't be more populous even if it was five times smaller? Peoria is a city with a larger population. Period. No ifs, ends or buts. Simple fact. The prior statement is factual, without adding commentary. Your added comment was not clarification, but commentary, drawing a conclusion. An acceptable statement would be "Peoria is now larger in population than its namesake, but with a population density xxxx, as compared to yyyy of Peoria, ??." Those simply state the facts, without making assumptions or commenting on the data. The bias is in your commentary, not the facts.  Onel 5969  TT me 02:12, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

 * "Who is to say that it wouldn't be more populous even if it was five times smaller?" So, you're saying that if the borders of the city were to be pulled back to the inner-most third, it would still have the same population? Sounds rather illogical. Ahyway, I drew no conclusion. There was no "commentary." I didn't propose the reason that the residents chose to live there. And what I said was not untrue. Perhaps I didn't state it in a way that was as fitting as it should be, but, as I said before, the connotation of superiority is there. By the way, for the record, I claimed no bias in the line itself, but presenting some facts and withholding others is bias. To be quite honest, the "fact" of which city is more populous adds nothing to the article. I mean, I might as well go to Micheal Jordan's page and add in that he made more money in his career than LeBron James. It may be a fact... but as we know, wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of facts. But I am not a deletionist, so I figured I'd try to fix it.

 * Honestly, though, if someone is reading about the AZ city, they don't likely care too much about the IL city. And since "city x is more populous than city y" is actually just a retelling of the facts found on both pages, is it really needed in the heading?73.51.83.101 (talk) 03:21, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It's off topic, plain and simple. A size comparison with Peoria, Illinios is in no way informative to someone seeking info on Peoria, AZ. Its absurdly trivial. Comparing the population of two cities based on their names serves no useful purpose. All the crap about density dies not matter. The into does not belong. End of story. John from Idegon (talk) 03:45, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

 * I agree. But as I said, I'm not a deletionist. If something is there, and it's a poor read, I try to adjust. Obviously not always very well. However, in this case, it should be removed.73.51.83.101 (talk) 04:02, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

COI Editor
Hi - Please see WP:COI, there are steps you have to take regarding announcing your Conflict of Interest. In reference to the edits you attempted to make today, there are two issues. First, the edits to the body of the article were unsourced, and were promotional in tone. Those will pretty much be deleted every time. Second, the population numbers are not backed up with a citation from the US Census bureau, so they'll be reverted every time. Only US Census numbers can be used in Wikipedia articles, by consensus of the editors. My suggestion is that if you have information you would like added to the article, and you have a citation for it from an independent, reliable source, ask another editor to make the change to the article. You can do that one of two ways: either leave a message on the talk page of the article, and the next editor who comes along who is willing to make the change will do so; or you can ask an editor directly. But be aware that COI editors are scrutinized on Wikipedia, which attempts to keep neutrality in articles (we don't always succeed, but we do try), and COI editors many times have difficulty remaining neutral. Anyway, hope you understand.  Onel 5969  TT me 23:41, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

 * Thank you for your note. Please keep my content available for me to access so I can attempt to meet the guidelines. Thank you. PeoriaAZ (talk) 00:49, 10 February 2016 (UTC) Bo Larsen, city of Peoria PeoriaAZ (talk) 00:49, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * No worries, - to access your edits, all you have to do is to go the history page of the article, click on your edit and the edit before it, and your changes will appear.  Onel 5969  TT me 02:16, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

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General Edits
Hello!

I'm new to editing Wikipedia, and I wanted to discuss some edits I plan on making to this page. I know a lot about the Metro Phoenix area, and I noticed that the Wikipedia page for Peoria is lacking compared to other cities' pages in the area.

First of all, I noticed that it states on this page that the actress Emma Stone is a "notable resident" of Peoria, AZ. This is something I cannot confirm, and though I can find sources stating that she is from Scottsdale, and owns a home in Paradise Valley, I can find nothing connecting her to Peoria.

Second, I was hoping to add minor details about the city's history that I will provide sources for.

Thank you for any feedback or advice that can be offered! Jcwalte3 (talk) 05:04, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Lake Pleasant
I just added to the article the year (1996) when Lake Pleasant was annexed by Peoria. I found that information here: https://www.peoriaaz.gov/government/departments/arts-culture/historic-preservation/peorias-history/timeline-late-1970s-to-1990s. I'm not good at doing references, or I'd add it myself. Could someone better at references add it? Thanks. --Cromwellt|talk|contribs 18:24, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

title: Talk:Peoria, Arizona