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Sugar caverns
Should this even be in the article?

"Rumors of vast sugar caverns beneath Crockett have not been substantiated, and they are not currently open to the public."
 * no, and it will be removed if ever added. sugar would turn into coal or oil.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:33, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

It was posted as a rumor. You did not prove that the rumor is not a rumor. Therefore it should NOT be deleted. The rumor exists!

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Picture would be nice
A picture of the bridge at night would be nice. 76.218.100.214 (talk) 02:08, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Identification on 1930 census
For those doing genealogy, Crockett is identified as Township 12, not Crockett, on the 1930 census. 76.218.100.214 (talk) 02:08, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

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City Vs Town
I realize that it was referenced everywhere as a "city" in the article but according to the US census bureau its a town. So I changed the remaining references. If anyone can find where the gov says its a city - I'll change em back --ShakataGaNai 19:49, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I believe that California does not have a form of government called a "town". Danville is an incorporated municipality, which would normally be called a city. However since Danville incorporated after many decades as an unincorporated "town", it kept that designation. So, for categorization and other purposes it should be treated as a city, but it should be referred to as a town of Danville. Is that sensible? -Will Beback 23:26, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Thats fine and originally all the labels on the page were city (but slowly changed by people). I went to the census page above and it specifically says Town.  I'm gonna see if I can find anything from california or danville's pages that are specific to if its technically a city or a town.  --ShakataGaNai 00:08, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The most official info I found was the charter (articles of incorporation) . There it's called both a town and a municipality. The country sheriff lists Danville among its "contract cities". -Will Beback 00:19, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I wonder if danville even knows. If you look at the staff directory  they mention "town manager" and "city clerk".  Oh well.  Purely in the intrest of finding out the "offical" answer - I sent an email off to the previously mentioned city clerk.  --ShakataGaNai 00:43, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

 * The city clerk wrote me back (very nice person). Short form: 1982 city was incorporated as "City of Danville". 1986 Town council officially designated danville as a Town.  I think the article should refer initially danville as a city, and note that in 1986 it desegnated itself "town of...".   But before that happens I have to find proof otherwise I'll be violating NOR Policy.  (Oh and I found this small bit about the history  ).  --ShakataGaNai 06:42, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your good research digging. I guess it's a city that calls itself a town. We can certainly call it a municipality. Cheers, -Will Beback 08:08, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

 * According to California law, there is no legal distinction between a city and a town (unlike many other US states, especially on the East Coast). The incorporated community can call themselves by either designation.  Blank Verse  03:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I realize that we let this die long ago, but I actually found "proof" -> Danville Municipal Code 1-10.1 . I ref'd it into the article already.  --ShakataGaNai (talk) 06:01, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Population
I am pretty sure the popuation figure is not right. I will check when I have more time. 216.90.172.158 19:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC) Josh

OH - I see. It was just missing a number. I fixed it. 41 thouand instead of 1 thousand.

On an unrelated note, The San Ramon Valley Times recently displayed a different figure for the median income per household at 180k per year. Clearly, the one listed here is incorrect.

In addition, Danville is the city with the most Ferraris per person in America. Worth posting? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.167.193.126 (talk) 07:36, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of population, I reverted the figures back to the 2000 Census (official) until the 2008 figure is correctly cited. Also, the demographics data is only for 2000. Thanks. --Moreau36 (talk) 19:35, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Diablo a "subdivision of Danville"?
The article calls Diablo a "subdivision of Danville". Yet the Diablo article says that it's near Danville, not in it. Does anyone know whether Diablo is in Danville or just near it? - Walkiped (T 03:28, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

 * To the best of my knowledge (and I could be wrong, but I've lived in the area for the last 20 years) Diablo and Blackhawk are both technically still in Danville itself. But, both have separate zip codes from Danville itself.  Danville = 94526, Blackhawk = 94506, Diablo = 94528.  If you want to check,  goto http://zip4.usps.com/zip4/citytown.jsp and punch in Danville.  It will return 94526 & 94506 (94528, Diablo, is just PO Boxes).  --ShakataGaNai 06:48, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Blackhawk and Diablo are not within the Town limits of Danville. Both are unincorporated communities that are classified by the government as census designated places (CDPs). The 94506 ZIP includes the eastern section of the Town of Danville as well as several unincorporated communities such as Blackhawk, Shadow Creek and Camino Tassajara.

ZIP code 94506 also includes several communities such as, Alamo Creek, that are within the Town of Danville's sphere of influence, which means the Town has some say in the zoning as the communities may be annexed in the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:648:8503:77A0:10F5:CDC4:D1B9:C420 (talk) 06:51, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Blackhawk Seperation
Since Blackhawk, CA has its own article, I'm going to start pushing Blackhawk specific data over there and drop the duplicate information between the two articles. --ShakataGaNai 23:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Horrible
This page is terrible. Why is there so much clutter in the intro? Who cares about the library. Danville could do so much better. Lecollye (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:17, 1 November 2010 (UTC).

 * Okay, do you have any suggestions for how this article might be improved? Or maybe you could try actually doing something to bring about the change you want to see instead of just complaining about it. JThomasAnthropologist (talk) 22:27, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I like that moxie! You tell 'em like it is!  It's just that...Obama was still in his first term when that message was left. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:02, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Minor Edit
Removed John Madden from list of notable residents, he's a Pleasantonian. Waterygrave (talk) 06:25, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Chinese Laundry
In the History section, the author states, "Eventually, a bank, drug store, saloon, doctor's office and Chinese laundry joined the houses lining the street." I have never heard about the Chinese laundry before and would like to know the source of this information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.65.141 (talk) 04:02, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

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This article meets the requirements for Class C. Also, I see nothing now that seems to represent original research, so I have removed that banner from the top of the article.Bruin2 (talk) 23:08, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Does anyone want to put in this article
This talks about an incident when a Danville police officer was charged for two men in less than three years.

https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/danville-police-officer-charged-in-2018-fatal-shooting-of-unarmed-man-turns-himself-in/ HeroesDontDie (talk) 22:37, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

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The income statistics seem off, could someone please look them up and verify?WilliamC24 07:22, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * They do seem high, but they are actual numbers from the 2000 census. --skew-t 02:31, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

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 * Actually the income level seems a bit Low. Someone please do your homework. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.138.128.181 (talk) 05:47, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

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"Commerce" section doesn't belong here.
Please don't reinsert this section; all it says, essentially, is that there's no commerce in the place. That is not useful at all. +ILike2BeAnonymous 17:32, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, there is commerce, though not an abundance. There are only two schools in the community--your standard suggest that the education section should also be called into question, due to lack of abundance of educational institutions. Indeed, the entire community houses a mere few thousand individuals--does this suggest that the entire page should be removed?

I won't make a blanket statement about the value of the commerce section, but to me, it's just another piece of information that helps the reader understand more about the area, which I believe is the purpose of this page. What's more, it happily existed for nearly the year it has been since I first fleshed out this page. Perhaps others in the community can weigh in. 198.144.208.133 08:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Again; what that section says, in so many words, is that there is no siginficant commerce in this place. The presence of a dry cleaner and a corner market do not constitute significant commerce. Therefore, there's no reason for this section to exist, especially in an article that has zero hope of ever being anything but a stub. So far as its having been there for almost a year, I can show you lots of erroneous stuff in this so-called "encyclopedia" that's been there longer than that, making that a weak argument. +ILike2BeAnonymous 17:47, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Conflict over location of "Richmond View"
The claim that this place is "sometimes referred to as Richmond View" conflicts with the article on Talk:Mira Vista (Richmond View), Richmond, California, which implicity takes that name in its title. One or the other is wrong (unless that term applies to both, in which case these articles should probably be merged). +ILike2BeAnonymous 18:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

 * The two areas are distinct (the East Richmond neighborhood referred to in the other article is located within the city of Richmond), so the articles should not be merged. The connection between the name "Richmond View" and East Richmond Heights is illustrated by current real estate listings (simply google for "Richmond View"--real estate listings located within the CDP will be revealed.)  I know of no connection between the name "Richmond View" and any area located within the city of Richmond.  My understanding is that it exclusively refers to East Richmond Heights. 198.144.208.133 08:51, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

We are comparing apples and oranges. First, we have two names: Richmond Heights (a neighborhood within the city limits of Richmond), and East Richmond Heights (an adjacent CDP that is outside the city limits of Richmond). But guess what? They are both perched on the same hill and there is no obvious visual break to separate the two areas, which I think could include anything east of Interstate 80 between San Pablo Avenue (Exit 16B) and San Pablo Dam Road (Exit 18). So I think both articles can claim to be referred to as either Richmond View or Mira Vista without being misleading. And no merging required, as the two articles refer to different features (a neighborhood, and a CDP). Highspeed (talk) 17:50, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Richmond Heights

 * Map of Richmond Heights —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hemanetwork (talk • contribs) 01:05, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Mail Delivery
Could someone please tell me the source for the statement about using Richmond or El Cerrito mailing addresses? Thank you. Onthegroove (talk) 15:39, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

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This article's title should be El Cerrito, California, and the El Cerrito in riverside county should be El Cerrito, Riverside County, California the same way the city is Mountain View, California and the unincorprated area is Mountain View, Contra Costa County, CaliforniaCholgatalK! 00:44, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Why should it be this? Is one El Cerrito, California (there seems to be at least three: in Contra Costa, Riverside, and San Diego) significantly better known than all others? What's the evidence that it is? Andrewa 13:56, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

 * not better, but the actual invcorporated city should have preferance as does Mountain View (city). The others are a small neighborhood and a small unincorporated area near Ontario, California. The most common El Cerrito, California should have preferance to not need the county in its name, I mean could you imagane a Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, California article or a San Francisco, San Francisco County, California title just because there are neighborhoods or subdivisions or unincorporated areas with the same name?CholgatalK! 05:48, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

 * You seem to be saying that this El Cerrito is better known than the others (similarly to San Franciso), but in your first statement you seem to explicitly deny that you think this. It matters. If your first statement {not better} is correct, then refer to WP:NC and WP:DAB and I think you'll see that the name should stay as it is. Andrewa 13:39, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, there are in fact three El Cerrito in California. El Cerrito, Riverside County, California and El Cerrito, San Diego, California being the other two. I am not saying I disagree with this move, but you do have to consider the confusion this move would cause if it is successful. Chris! my talk 23:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

The example of Mountain View is actually a good one. For the city, it is called Mountain View, California. And census-designated place, it is called Mountain View, Contra Costa County, California. Now it seems to me that for CDPs, the name usually include the name of of the county. So according to this example, this move seems to work out. As El Cerrito, Riverside County, California is a CDP, it should remained its current name. El Cerrito, San Diego, California is a neighborhood of San Diego, and the current name should remained as well. Chris! my talk 23:48, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I just did a quick search on Google and Yelp for businesses/organizations located in the Riverside County El Cerrito, to try to get an idea of how strong the local identity was. It turns out that every single business I looked at located within the CDP gives their address as "Corona, California". I couldn't find a single example of "El Cerrito, California", besides businesses that were actually in Contra Costa County and placed in the wrong location on the map. What looks like the main shopping center within the CDP is named "The Crossings at Corona." The address of the "El Cerrito Library", in the middle of the CDP, is "7581 Rudell Road, Corona 92881".

It seems clear that the Riverside County El Cerrito barely exists outside of the census bureau's data, and is nowhere near as prominent as the actual city of El Cerrito. While the city is not very big, it is several times larger than the CDP. It's located near the center of a major metropolitan area, has two BART stations with its name, an actual government, history, and identity.

Giving the same prominence to the two places might cause more confusion than moving this article. Right now, it looks like most, if not all of the wikilinks that link directly to El Cerrito, California are referring to the city. I doubt most people are even aware that there are any other places, and many don't know which county the city is located in, or the difference between cities and CDPs. -Nogood 08:11, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

"There is only one city in California named "El Cerrito." While the practice of using the county name to disambiguate multiple places with the same name might make sense for other parts of the United States, in California there can only be one city with any given name, and there are no overlapping municipal entities like townships, villages, etc (only cities and unincorporated parts of counties). The other El Cerritos are an unincorporated census designated place and a neighborhood of San Diego. —Nogood 08:26, 10 August 2007 (UTC)"
 * This is a copy of a comment by User:Nogood from the official Requested moves page. Chris! my talk 23:58, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

 * Oppose. No case has been made that the city is the common use of the unqualified name, in fact it is denied (above) that this is the case. Andrewa 14:47, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Support According to local convention (The Mountain View example), this move is entirely legitimate to distinguish between a CDPs and a city. As far as common use is concern, this move is not trying to assert which usage is more common, but rather it is trying to follow local convention currently in used. Chris! my talk 20:53, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Support (nominator): There is only one city with this name in California, therefore additional disambiguation should not be required. The other places with the same name have nowhere near the same prominence, and it appears are not even commonly called "El Cerrito, California." The current setup causes unnecessary confusion. -Nogood 05:10, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Any additional comments:

If this move is ultimately denied, then more discussion is required regarding a possible move on Mountain View. Chris! my talk 20:57, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Can you be specific about the local convention to which you refer above? Do you mean a Wikipedia naming convention, and if so which one? Or, is this something about the way Californians speak and/or write the name? Either is relevant, but it's hard to assess the validity of this claim unless you can be more specific. Andrewa 02:10, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

A local convention doesn't have to a wikipedia naming convention. It is just the way we name article here in the Bay Area (again the Mountain View example). And if you recalled, that is also why the Union Square, San Francisco -> Union Square (San Francisco) move doesn't work out. Besides a quick google test of El Cerrito, California here shows clearly that the city is more common than the other El Cerrito elsewhere in California. Now based on WP:NC, this move is legitimate. Chris! my talk 20:37, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Agree about the meaning of local convention, that's exactly what I was asking, thank you.

 * Disagree that the move is legitimate, or based on WP:NC. Andrewa 03:40, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

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It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. --Stemonitis 12:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Notable People
I believe that the notable people section should be restored. I don't think the lack of references is grounds for just removing the entire section, especial without discussion. Unless someone has a good reason why it should be removed, I plan to trim it, possibly add some references, and restore the section in the next week or two. Chazchaz101 (talk) 23:29, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't think some of these people are "notable" but if they are, then so are Clark Kerr,long time chancellor Cal, Ike Lassiter (sp?) Oakland Raiders,Dr.Siri (sp?) Pres. Sierra Club and member of 1st US Everest climb,Clint Eastwood (actor/directer) for a few years at the large estate on Arlington/Havens Pl. I could think of others.76.166.245.241 (talk) 11:49, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Name change
The name should be changed for the reasons stated above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hemanetwork (talk • contribs) 22:38, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Requested move 2

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The result of the move request was: page moved per request. GTBacchus(talk) 19:42, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

El Cerrito, Contra Costa County, California → — All city articles in the United States follow the (City, State) formula while unincorporated areas follow the (City, County, State) formula, if there is an identically named city and unincorporated area, the city does not add the county, since if you follow this formula this is unnecessary, the name of the article does not follow the formula and may lead people to believe it is an unincorporated community and make it harder to find, having the county in the title is superfluous and not necessary. Hemanetwork (talk) 22:33, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Survey

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 * Support I think the basic argument here is that the city is the primary topic within California, and should therefore be at El Cerrito, California.  There is already a disambiguation page at El Cerrito, California, though this can easily be disposed of as superfluous, as all the entries are included in the disambiguation page at El Cerrito.  A hatnote referring to the other California locations and the disambiguation page might be a good idea though.  Skinsmoke (talk) 10:49, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support, although not because cities should never use the county name in their titles, but because of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC as Skinsmoke points out. Powers T 21:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Support I also think it would make sense to move the article. Rather than disambiguating, having Contra Costa in the title suggests incorrectly that there are other cities in other counties with the same name. Chazchaz101 (talk) 16:14, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Any additional comments:

Although I am neutral in whatever the outcome might be, I wish to clarify the specific relevant guideline, Naming conventions (geographic names). It says that "Those places that need even more disambiguation include their county or parish", but does not clearly, specifically state that "all city articles in the United States follow the (City, State) formula while unincorporated areas follow the (City, County, State) formula". One example that I came across recently is Wilmington, Will County, Illinois (a city) and Wilmington, Greene County, Illinois (an unincorporated area). I'm sure there are other examples. Zzyzx11 (talk) 01:21, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Secondly, many of these articles and titles were created by User:Rambot, when that bot was initially creating city and community articles in 2002 using U.S. Census data. The reason why there does exist a "El Cerrito, Contra Costa County, California" article (a city) and a "El Cerrito, Riverside County, California" (a census-designated place) is because both settlements had census data, and Rambot had to disambiguate the two articles immediately, and then create El Cerrito, California as a disambig page. Zzyzx11 (talk) 01:43, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

That makes sense but it is not needed, the Illinois city should probably be prioritized as well, but I am unfamiliar with unincorporated areas outside of California. In California no one even knows which one they live in, the names are larely unheard of and only city's receive any major credit, people that live in unincorporated areas typically claim the closest city or they claim a geographical region i.e. x valley or north of x city. The El Cerrito in San Diego seems like its actually a neighborhood and the other one is an unincorporated area just south of Corona, California with no government or anything major, its just a tract of housing outside the city limits likely to be engulfed in the future. Anyone typing in El Cerrito, California would expect the city of El Cerrito and nothing else. An example of this is the three mountain views, Mountain View, Humboldt County, California an abandoned settlement, Mountain View, Contra Costa County, California an unincorporated tract of housing outside of Martinez, California and Mountain View, California the city that everyone would assume a link would lead to. I fully support the idea of hatnotes however.Hemanetwork (talk) 19:37, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

"Little Taipei" nickname
This seems to be completely made up out of whole cloth, and has the New York Times and the residents confused. I recommend that sentence be removed. I'm removing the current citation which points to the web page of a grocery store. See: http://elcerrito.patch.com/articles/ny-times-raises-eyebrows-says-el-cerrito-nicknamed-little-taipei-by-residents -Zach (talk) 19:24, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I have lived near and shopped in El Cerrito for over a decade and have never head any such nickname (or indeed any common nickname at all). Based on the article above and the research the local editor did on this issue, it appears clear to me that the information was originally sourced from a commericial site (Pacific East Mall), was never used by El Cerrito's Taiwanese inhabitants, and was cited in the New York Times primarily because of this errant Wikipedia entry. Therefore, I have removed it entirely. --Tim Warner (talk) 20:24, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Cleanup/Rewrite of Article
I'm considering rewriting a significant portion of this article in order to produce something a little more cohesive. As it is now, the article seems to have been written pretty piecemeal, with lots of pieces that feel like they were just thrown in by people interested in a specific topic or supporting/promoting a particular organization, especially in the Geography, Places, and Transportation sections. Does anyone else have any input?Chazchaz101 (talk) 12:59, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

2010 Demographics are inaccurate
The 2010 Demographics are for El Cerrito CDP in Riverside county and not the incorporated city in Contra Costa County. I would change it but I do not have much editing experience. Could someone please correct this? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.93.203 (talk) 23:11, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Ouija Board Mass Hysteria
The was a How It Works article on Ouija Boards which mentioned El Cerrito as somewhere that had a mass hysteria incident based on Ouija board use. Does this merit inclusion ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.11.20 (talk) 12:52, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

And we're not going to mention the resulting ban, confiscation, and destruction of ouija boards? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cuboid10824 (talk • contribs) 20:42, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

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Fiscal crisis
Section needs to be updated to reference the now-released State Auditor's report. Edits repeatedly reverted. Curious why the out-of-date version is preferable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.71.185.176 (talk) 23:16, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Please explain why you removed references in this edit. Additionally, the section you introduced that begins with The State Auditor subsequently undertook... is not sourced. KidAd  •  SPEAK  23:27, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I removed some information about the preparations for the State Auditor report, which were only important in the context of waiting for the report to be published, and if left in would make the article harder to read without providing any useful information. I added a citation to the section "The State Auditor subsequently undertook" but you reverted it. In any case, if you see content that needs a citation, is there not a "needs citation" tag that might be preferable to simply reverting edits? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.71.185.176 (talk) 23:35, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * So KidAd, I answered your question, are you now going to explain what your problem is with my edit? Yes, I did remove a small amount of content and references in order to provide up-to-date information. Is it generally unacceptable to remove outdated content from an article? (I am aware that Wikipedia is drowning in arcane rules so this actually might be the case, but it does seem like such a rule would make all articles useless over time.) Do you have subject-matter knowledge that leads you to believe that my edit worsened the section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.71.185.176 (talk) 15:20, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

lower decks?
surely them naming the ship the Cerritos is some kind of joke/jab at the town, and should be the TOP ENTRY in the popular culture section, no? 2601:19C:527F:A660:7892:BEFC:639B:C787 (talk) 08:37, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Origin of name.
I see that this article lists two different origins, one citing the many hills in the area (doesn't even make sense) and the second one states that the name originates from the hill now named "Albany Hill" which makes sense. 104.32.232.239 (talk) 18:03, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:El Cerrito, California


text:
Talk:El Sobrante, Contra Costa County, California

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The Leftovers
It's popular urban legend in the area the El Sobrante is Spanish for "The leftovers." Can someone substantiate this, and perhaps this is worthy of inclusion in this entry as it's popular local lore.

ANSWER: SOBRANTE = SURPLUS

SOURCE: http://spanishdict.com/AS.cfm?e=Sobrante+

Leftovers as lore
I grew up in El Sobrante and can attest that among local non-Spanish speaking persons the popular misconception is that the name translates to 'The Leftovers'. In fact the El Sobrante historical society newsletter is called The Leftovers, both as a nod to the usage and as spring board to call attention to and correct this misconception. Please see: https://www.elsobrantehistoricalsociety.com/newsletter-the-leftovers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.32.28.2 (talk) 21:07, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

 * GET THIS, the following is part of the Wiki entry for El Sobrante in Riverside:
 * El Sobrante (Spanish for "the leftovers", "surplus", or "remaining land") is a census-designated place in Riverside County, California. El Sobrante sits at an elevation of 1,283 feet (391 m). The 2010 United States census reported El Sobrante's population was 12,723.
 * I think it's obvious the leftovers lore lives on 128.32.28.2 (talk) 23:40, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Judy Malloy is not a vanity entry
Fizbin, I don't understand your reverting Judy Malloy's inclusion of her own name. I don't see it as simply a vanity entry due to her pioneering achievements in arts and science. How would these achievements count less than a comic book artist? Binksternet 13:10, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

 * First and foremost, it is a vanity entry because she has been adding the link herself. Also, the contributions to the underground comics movements by artist Joel Beck are a reflection upon the city because he spent his formative years in the town. Judy Malloy may live in El Sobrante NOW. But she does not appear to be FROM El Sobrante. People move all the time. It might be appropriate to list her current location on her own page, but it does not seem appropriate to list it here.Theplanetsaturn 21:24, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

 * While TheplanetSaturn was posting the above I was editing the entry to get rid of the linkspam. It is still very marginal in my opinion.--Fizbin 21:27, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Judy Malloy now has an article establishing her notability. I'm putting her in as a resident. Binksternet (talk) 05:52, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Yes. Because you created one today. Regardless, while her location may be relevant enough to list in her own talk page, you have yet to give reason as to why her residence is relevant to the El Sobrante article. People move all the time. She did not originate in El Sobrante or spend her formative years in El Sobrante or even live in El Sobrante when her notability was established. So how is her residency relevant to El Sobrante and the El Sobrante article? I asked you this a year ago and you never answered. In the meantime, the best consensus we have on this issue is against inclusion. The only one pushing for inclusion is you.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 06:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

 * There's been no call for consensus, we're not voting here, we're making an encyclopedic entry. Your argument about Malloy's relevance to El Sobrante falls down when examining the single other person listed, Joel Beck, who similarly did little for El Sobrante and in fact moved around, making his mark in Berkeley. Both Beck and Malloy need only to have lived in El Sobrante to gain mention here, there's no need to establish their fame in relation to how they have contributed to the benefit or detriment of where they live. Oh, and Malloy has created all of her most recent works while living in El Sobrante, so now she's even satisfied your unnecessary requirement. Malloy is going back into the article. Binksternet (talk) 12:20, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

 * I suspect you're not even reading my posts properly. Beck grew up in El Sobrante. He spent his formative years in the town, and was shaped by the culture. Therefore his artistic endeavors are a reflection of the town. I've already stated this once before. None of this applies to Malloy. People move all the time. According to the entry you created on the woman, Malloy has lived in many places. Her currently living in El Sobrante is not enough to warrant mention. Once again, I am removing her.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 17:16, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't imagine why you would conclude I'm not comprehending your posts... You've stated repeatedly that Beck was shaped by El Sobrante culture. I'm eliminating this as a prerequisite for inclusion in the article as it is not based on a valid source. Your avowal of Beck's foundational El Sobrante experience is original research unless you can show a critical review or scholarly examination of Beck that says so. To me, the listing of musicians and Beck under the heading Popular culture is simply a list; a list of people related to El Sobrante in some fashion. Only Claypool mentions El Sobrante explicitly in his art. None of the others have... Did Fogarty change El Sobrante by living there for a time? Did El Sobrante change him? Do we know if El Sobrante crept into his lyric? We don't. We put Fogarty in because he lived there. That's enough for Malloy. Binksternet (talk) 17:34, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

 * A fair point. Fogarty is removed. As for your argument that someone who grows up in a town, goes to school in a town, and subsequently being influenced by culture of the environment as being original research, that is simply absurd. A native of a community achieving artistic notoriety has been long held in society as a reflection of said community. Nothing new there. Malloy has lived in multiple locations. She may move again tomorrow. Her current location may be relevant for her own page, but it is not relevant to the El Sobrante page. The consensus was against you when you vanished from this discussion. If you want to include it, seek a third party opinion.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 17:56, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

 * The only editors who have taken action on this issue have been you, me and Fizbin, who last checked in nearly a year ago. No recent consensus has been reached; Fizbin characterized the entry as "linkspam" at that time and hasn't weighed in again now that Judy Malloy's notability has been established via her getting her own wiki article. Your deletion of Fogerty is an interesting move... If that's the direction you want to go, then only Claypool and Kiffmeyer would be left under the heading. They are the only ones who have included El Sobrante in their art. As far as somebody's art being influenced by where they grew up, there are artists that is true for, and artists it is not true for. It's not automatic. If you want to take the position that El Sobrante influenced Joel Beck, you must find a citation for it. Check out WP:OR for particulars. Binksternet (talk) 19:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

 * So is that how it works in your mind? A consensus forms against you, you wait a year and then re-add the disputed information without discussion, then dismiss the previous consensus that you are ignoring as no longer being relevant? That is not a way to engender healthy discussion. As for Malloy's article, it has all of one editor working on it. That's you. Creation of an article alone is not sufficient in proving notability for inclusion. Also, I said nothing about the inclusion of the area in the art. I clearly stated that it should be limited to artists who spent their formative years in the region. Note that this includes every artist currently listed. I never once said anything about including information about the region in their work. As for the rest, again a native of a community achieving artistic notoriety has been long held in society as a reflection of said community. So much so that the Onion even parodied the concept recently. I do not need to cite something of that nature. Where a person is from holds much more weight in society than where a person has recently moved. I would have no problem with Malloy being mentioned in the article of her hometown. But should she also be listed in Oakland and everywhere else she lived? How is where she lives now relevant? How is her residency relevant to the El Sobrante article?Theplanetsaturn (talk) 19:13, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The section we are talking about is entitled "Popular culture", not "People who grew up in El Sobrante". People who grow up in a place don't necessarily have that place as an influence. You appear unable to distance yourself from the kind of common sense assumption which would normally be valid in conversation and in daily life but which is classified here on Wikipedia as original research. The assumed connection must be proven here. Binksternet (talk) 19:34, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * How many times have I asked you to seek a new consensus before re-adding the information? The most recent consensus stands against inclusion. You continually circumventing this discussion in an effort to forward your own beliefs of what should be included is nothing but inflammatory. Furthermore, you seem to have misunderstood how Wikipedia policy operates. Not everything must be sourced in the manner you suggest. If it were, no article would ever be able to move forward. Common sense remains common sense, and Wikipedia guidelines were not created to interfere with obvious common sense. Regardless, I'll be deleting the information soon. You're creating an edit war by not seeking out additional opinions as requested. All you have to do is abide by proper channels. Seek out third part opinions to support inclusion. The most recent consensus stands solidly against you, and no amount of blustering is going to change this.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 19:46, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * One editor arguing with another editor is no consensus. Fizbin's contribution last year doesn't apply to what is going on now. I don't need your approval to continue to build the article in normal Wikipedia ways. Today, I brought in a reference in for a five-week-old fact tag and I've copyedited the article for flow and grammar. I'm improving the article. You've done what? Deleted the sort of content normally accepted into articles about places. This might be the time to re-read Ownership of articles. Binksternet (talk) 20:13, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not some random contribution last year. It was a dialog between three editors, you an I being two of them. You abandoned the discussion when the consensus was against you, and now stating that enough time has passed that you no longer must abide by the majority opinion on the exact same topic is simply absurd. You're persnal attacks are noted and dismissed as insignificant. You will please note that I have not reverted or challeneged any of your other contributions to the article, so please de-twist your panties. In the meantime, please go through proper channels for inclusion without continually re-adding information that has been challenged. All you are doing is inciting an edit war.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 20:46, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

<--de indent. I'm adding a new section heading: "Notable residents". It's clear to me that the Popular culture heading has been saddled by User:Theplanetsaturn with more meaning than is required. The new heading is more inclusive. Binksternet (talk) 19:38, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The fizbin has spoken: the addition of Judy Malloy is lame, and her page is essentially a vanity page.--Fizbin (talk) 03:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The addition of Judy Malloy is lame? That's your argument? What a scholarly rebuttal. As far as being a vanity page, if her article survives Afd, its validity is beyond your judgment. Binksternet (talk) 17:24, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Again, seek out a third party opinion of some kind if you wish to retain the information.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 17:56, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If your position on this issue is weak enough to be swayed by me bringing in enough third party votes to outnumber you and Fizbin, why should I have to bring in any at all? There's no good reason to keep a notable resident off the list of notable residents, so back she goes. Binksternet (talk) 18:06, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think my position on it is weak at all. Suggesting a third party opinion is a better option than an edit war, and is recommended by Wikipedia guidelines. Obviously, I feel my position is correct. You feel your position is correct as well. And Fizbin no doubt feels that their opinion is correct. So a neutral party is required. As the minority opinion here, you should seek one out rather than just engage in inflammatory reversions.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 18:11, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

The author is notable, and clearly is a resident of the area, as referenced on her page. What is the problem? TheRealFennShysa (talk) 19:42, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Judy Malloy as a notable resident
Unanswered RFC from August 5, 2008 closed September 4, 2008.

Alternate El Sobrante
In southern California, there is a dump site, aprox 3 square miles in area, backed by a wilderness area. This is called El Sobrante.

El Sobrante Landfill 10910 Dawson Canyon Rd Corona, CA 92883

8.52 miles from Corona, CA 92879 (951) 277-1740 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.67.65.83 (talk) 04:13, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Notable residents
Once again, we're rehashing the 20-month-old argument about whether Judy Malloy should be included as a "Notable resident". The argument to establish notability has raised these points: In a nutshell... Binksternet (talk) 21:03, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Does a notable resident need to grow up in El Sobrante to be worthy of being listed?
 * Does growing up in El Sobrante automatically mean they were affected by it?
 * Does a notable resident need to have been affected by El Sobrante?
 * Does a notable resident need to have had an effect on El Sobrante?
 * Can a resident who gained notability elsewhere be listed?
 * Can the Judy Malloy article be removed from consideration because one of the editors here authored it himself?
 * Should Judy Malloy forever be banned from this article because she tried to add herself back in August 2007?
 * I believe you will find the consensus in April of 2009 to be the same as it was in August 2007.--Fizbin (talk) 21:17, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 'Consensus' does not mean 'two votes against one'. Your own arguments of "lame", "vanity", "marginal" and "linkspam", and the lengthier arguments from Theplanetsaturn, fell short of their mark. You guys never put a well-defined reason together for excluding Malloy; you never formed a good template for who gets included and who doesn't. Binksternet (talk) 22:23, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You have never (other than your own-created page for JM) demonstrated any notability. --Fizbin (talk) 02:01, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * All, I came to this page from the WP:3O page. I've left the tag up on that page as I just wanted to offer my thoughts and observations for the first time. I haven't been able to find a guide to "Notable Residents", but on the WP:CITY page there are some useful hints. US cities don't seem to have a notable residents section so I'd question if you want the section at all. From reading the talk page it appears these people were once listed in the culture section and I don't see why that would not be acceptable. UK cities have Notable People section, look at Featured Article Herne Bay, Kent for an example of where every person has a cite to support their inclusion in the list, a cite to an independent article. Binksternet is obviously quite keen to include Malloy, so I would suggest a good way to achieve consensus would be for them to find this source. Could fizbin and theplanetsaturn accept that this should help provide better consensus? In due time it would be right and proper to cite all those listed, but then this is a work in progress and the immediate aim is for consensus on the inclusion of Malloy. Whilst writing I'd also point out that the Judy Malloy article could do with some independent cites, they mostly seem to come from her own website. That website has quotes from the Washington Post and the (London) Independent which could perhaps be found and utilised? | I'm doing too much!
 * Another point is that the resident issue is a bit of a red herring. If someone lives in an area they are by definition a resident, so it only remains to discover if they are a notable resident - does the local news outlet mention them, are there essays which mention them and their residence, etc? It could conversely be argued that people who have left are no longer residents and should be removed from the list. I would suggest as per UK cities you go with Notable people and include those born, brought up, living in or influenced by the city.
 * I would also point out that you (plural) have never achieved consensus. The issue seemed to have died down and is now been resurrected. I would point you all in the direction of WP:CONSENSUS if you need a quick refreshment. Consensus only occurs once everyone is in agreement, which will almost inevitably mean that people will have to reach a compromise. It would seem to me that an artist who has been written up on the other side of the Atlantic working with major IT firms would be a notable resident if evidence as mentioned above was available.
 * Phew! Bigger digger (talk) 01:09, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Consensus (at least as I have been using it) refers to the primary dictionary definition: "majority of opinion". If Binksternet can find some evidence that Malloy's residence is notable to the region, such as local news or at the very least some reference to their location from a 3rd party source, I would accept it. This is an article about a town, not a place to create a laundry list of people who might reside for an indeterminate amount of time and are notable specifically for action taken while residing somewhere else. Any name added to the article should provide insight to the subject of the article. Malloy as an entry does not seem to do this. Barring stronger evidence to support inclusion I would also accept majority opinion.
 * Regardless to the above, I feel that the list format needs to be revised and the individuals currently listed should be worked into the article. The section should not specify residents specifically, for the reasons you provide.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 02:23, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Working all the notable residents into a section about art would work very well. A paragraph or two about musicians, a paragraph about cartoonists and comic book artists, and a paragraph about authors. Bigger digger notes that "Binksternet is obviously quite keen to include Malloy" and I agree with that statement as far as bias toward musicians and graphic artists, and against hypertext authors, goes. BTW, thanks for The Independent article. Binksternet (talk) 19:13, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Let's be clear here. There is no bias against hypertext authors. I don't object to Malloy having an article and I would not object to Malloy being listed on the page for her home town. On my end, exclusion of Malloy is based on a lack of any clear relevance to El Sobrante. And El Sobrante is what this article is about, first and foremost. If the subject of the article is not served by listing the individual in question, than the inclusion is simply trivia.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 19:33, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * All, I assume my contribution here is sufficient? It seems you have resolved to list Malloy if an independent source for her living in El Sobrante can be found, and the two of you might get round to re-editing the Notable residents section so that it winds in with culture, art, etc. If you need anything else please just come and fetch me on my talkpage. Good luck, cheers, Bigger digger (talk) 19:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see agreement yet. Resistance continues from Theplanetsaturn who requires that a resident who is notable be relevant to the town, a concept that by itself hasn't been agreed upon. Even if all the editors here agreed that relevance to the town is necessary, the judgment of what makes a person relevant is the next hurdle. Binksternet (talk) 18:48, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

<-- Some sources for you:
 * http://bostoncyberarts.org/apropos/apropos_artist_detail.php?artistcode=411
 * http://www.leonardo.info/rolodex/malloy.judy.html
 * http://www.pw.org/directory?page=1&apage=M
 * http://www.artcalifornia.net/about_calart.html

Having had a brief look at the sources there's a risk they're all in some way connected to her, but I think I'm now leaning towards the following: it's a verifiable fact that Malloy lives in El Sobrante and therefore it's a valid inclusion. It is relevant to El Sobrante as there is a notable person living in their town. I have previously posted on Fizbin and Theplanetsaturn's talk pages to create a response to my last note here, so perhaps they're not concerned anymore? Bigger digger (talk) 22:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Concerned? Yes. Three of your four links were not significant in my opinion, but the fourth one - the pw.org link - was. After reviewing the criteria that they use for inclusion (http://www.pw.org/directory/criteria) I will drop my objections for now. It does appear to be the first online sign of significance that Malloy herself did not in some way generate. On the other hand I'd be tempted to nominate the Judy Malloy article for deletion for lack of notability. It was created and developed by Binksternet in part to counter the original rejection here of the Malloy inclusion, which Malloy herself added. It all smells.--Fizbin (talk) 23:00, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I fully admit that I created the article after looking into why it was that Malloy herself was being ganged up on by El Sobrante patriots on a mission. I found that it was true that people can't put themselves into WP... I was a newbie, so this was my first awareness of WP:COI. I then looked Malloy up on the 'net and found that she was indeed notable, and I made an article. I'm not hiding that fact. Fizbin, you've had 20 months to tag the article for deletion; if you thought it would fail, you would have Afd'ed it long ago, or somebody else would have. It won't fail the process, and you know it, so here we all are with a notable person living in El Sobrante. Let's move on and figure out how to write paragraphs that will bring more of an encyclopedic tone to the list of folks. We already have a good start with all the metal guys tied together by high school relationships. Binksternet (talk) 01:50, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Notable residents, again
Well, like clockwork we're at it again. The inclusion of Judy Malloy. As stated previously, I don't object to Malloy having an article and I would not object to Malloy being listed on the page for her home town. On my end, exclusion of Malloy is based on a lack of any clear relevance to El Sobrante. And El Sobrante is what this article is about, first and foremost. If the subject of the article is not served by listing the individual in question, than the inclusion is simply trivia. There seems to be a bit more support for Malloy this time around, which helps argue for inclusion. No offense to Binksternet intended, but the support of one new user after Malloy herself attempted inclusion was hardly persuasive. If the majority of opinion currently swings to inclusion, I won't fight it. Though it still seems like trivia to me. Same with Fogerty, before it's asked.

Regardless, let's try to settle this here first, and avoid an edit war this time.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 00:15, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

 * I would like to know which readers would be poorly served if the link to Judy Malloy is included. The ones who would be upset if El Sobrante housed somebody other than comic book people and rockers? Which readers are those?

 * Your continuing crusade to rid the page of Malloy has never yet been based on a consistent set of criteria for inclusion. At the root of the problem is that Malloy is notable, and is a resident. You somehow don't think that makes her a notable resident. Everybody appears to want a link to Fogerty as a notable resident, but during his brief stay he didn't help shape El Sobrante and El Sobrante didn't affect him in any obvious way. The fight to keep Malloy's name off the list is unnecessary—it's one name, for chrissakes. Let's let the "notable resident" section display the notable people who have been or are currently residents. Binksternet (talk) 00:36, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

 * Your tone is unnecessarily hostile, which suggests that maybe you are to close to this issue. As for Fogerty, did you not read what I just said? I feel Fogerty is unnecessary trivia as well. Like I said, I disagree with her inclusion. But I am happy to go with majority. My issue is simply that (as per Wikipedia guidelines) the topic be respolved here before inclusion. The burden of justification is on the one seeking inclusion. that's the way it works.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 01:19, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

 * If Malloy is gone from the article, you are perfectly willing to avoid an edit war... demonstratedly less so if her link remains there. The burden of proof was completed when the article about Judy Malloy was written and not subsequently deleted. Having an article about Malloy on Wikipedia establishes her notability sufficiently for our purposes. Binksternet (talk) 02:18, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * And now you're simply being accusatory. I'm happy to avoid an edit war in general, and have clearly stated that I will abide by majority will regardless of personal opinion. You speak of notability... You're the one who added the Malloy page as justification of including her on the El Sobrante page and you're the primary editor on her page, so frankly, I think there is a bit of a conflict of interest in regards to your opinions on this subject. Additionally, having a Wikipedia entry alone is NOT sufficient to warrant inclusion. Wikipedia guidelines are quite specific on this matter. I say yet again: I don't see how Malloy (or Fogerty) are notable to the El Sobrante page, outside of trivia. And the burden of justification of inclusion is on those who wish the information to be included. And you seem too close to the topic to be considered impartial.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 02:36, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I have no conflict of interest. I am not "too close to the topic"—I have never lived in El Sobrante. You will not be able to find a connection between myself and Judy Malloy because one does not exist outside of my writing a Wikipedia article about her. I wrote the article only after I saw yours and Fizbin's actions to delete her from this article. With an edit summary of "Removal of vanity link. This will never stick. Cease." I thought to myself "this does not seem fair, let me perform an online search regarding Judy Malloy and see if the woman made a name for herself somewhere." It turned out that she had, so I wrote the article. It's not such a big thing, as I have written some 120 articles from the ground up. The one about Judy Malloy, however, is the only one I've written after seeing other editors gang up on a newbie who didn't understand the rules about conflict of interest. You can thank Fizbin for the existence of the article about her. ;^)
 * Regarding your requirement of proof; note that you are holding Malloy up to a stricter standard than that applied to Hammett, Claypool, LaLonde, Beebout, Kiffmeyer, Agnello, Beck, Fogerty and Walker. I will add a cite for Malloy and the issue should be put to bed. Really, there should be cites added for all the other guys under the heading "notable residents." Binksternet (talk) 03:22, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm not holding the aforementioned individuals to a stricter standard. My standard is simple, and I've explained it many times. I agree that Malloy is notable. But she does not come from El Sobrante nor is she notable for anything she has done while living in El Sobrante. I don't object to Malloy having an article and I would not object to Malloy being listed on the page for her home town. So again, no. I am not treating her any differently than any of the other subjects. And while you certainly have created other articles, you have admitted to creating Malloy's simply to justify inclusion on this page. And you're the primary editor on her page. You say I will not find a connection between you and her outside of Wikipedia. But it's within the boundaries of Wikipedia that I am speaking of.
 * As far as adding a citation that she lives in El Sobrante: I don't see where anyone has argued that fact. I simply don't see how her residency is notable to the El Sobrante page, and nothing you are discussing seems to address this. And lastly: Simply declaring that an issue "should be put to bed" because you think it should be, doesn't really end the debate.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 03:54, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

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Establish an initial rating of the article under wikiproject California
I have suggested an initial rating of "start-class" for this page. It is almost up to "B" class but lacks images, sufficient references and somewhat more breadth. Anlace 15:51, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Filipino Americans or just Asian Americans?
If I could, I'd state that the population is made up mostly of Filipino Americans. Here's a link to back it up: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/06/07/EB244236.DTL. However, considering I'd be naturally biased to include such information (I being raised in Hercules and Filipino), I'd ask the next person to put this in the article itself. Please, if you would. --Geopgeop 11:01, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Go ahead and put it in the article, but be careful with your language. The city is not "mostly" Filipino (I also came of age there).  At 27% of the population, they represent a plurality in terms of ethnic groups represented -- "mostly" would imply way over 50%.  An alternative approach would be to split the Filipinos off from "other Asians" in the city's demographics (27%-42%) and then cite the article.--Dynaflow 00:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

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I'm not good at editing, but someone please change the Mayor to Don Tatzin, who took over recently. If you need a citation, you can find an entry at my blog http://lafayetteca.wordpress.com/ or find a different source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.127.182.253 (talk) 01:04, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Is it worthy to add Andrew Shulgin to famous people? Of course it is. He's famous. Doesn't matter how he got that way.

I cleaned up the intro, the Geography section, and corrected the portion highlighting the climate differences between Lamorinda and Berkeley/Oakland. It appears that this has been an issue in the past in this article, but for anyone thinking about reverting I'll note that the monthly averages for Lafayette and Berkeley support the view that a 20+ degree differential is the exception, not the norm (heat wave periods notwithstanding). Padjet1 18:12, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Assessment
assigned this a start class since it is not far above a stub. to advance it needs more breadth (especially on open space, the reservoir, ecology, infrastructure, prehistory) and it needs sources and images. Anlace 23:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Rumor has it Joe Montana has taken up residence in Lafayette, so I've added him to the Famous citizens. Can anyone confirm or deny? LinkDupont 04:37, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Pursuant to WP:Verify, assertions must be based on more than mere rumor. I'm removing Montana from the list. -- Padjet1 20:16, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Joe Montana does live in Lafayette now. I live in Lafayette and have seen him. You should add him back to the list. Paul Italiano 02:16, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I also have more evidence that Joe Montana lives in Lafayette. I saw him in "Diablo Food's" (local Lafayette grocery store) on March 9, 2008. I talked to him, and he confirmed that he was in fact Joe Montana, but I did not ask if he was living in Lafayette.

I also saw him at a De La Salle High School football game. His son goes to DLSHS. Paul Italiano —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.101.42.253 (talk) 02:00, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Famous citizens
An anonymous IP user added Randy Spratt as a famous citizen. To me it hardly sounds notable, but he is apparently a top officer of a siginficant corporation, and I gave it the benefit of the doubt and left him on the list, however he does not seem to have an article of his own. I am inclined to take him off the list, but does anyone know anything about this person?

--Hno3 22:25, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

How to pronounce Lafayette
Is it worth a mention (and someone figuring out how to transcribe) the way locals pronounce Lafayette? It's not like the place in Louisiana (but more La-fee-et'). Or should we keep it a secret so as to more easily spot infiltrators? ;-) - Andwhatsnext 21:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

 * That sounds like something that would not cross the mind of most people from Lafayette, California. As someone who lived in Lafayette, California for most of my life, I can tell you that this is the first that I've ever heard of the different pronunciation from Louisiana. I, and probably most other Lafayette residents would most likely assume that it's pronounced the same way as the California town's name.

 * That said, go for it and add a pronunciation key =)

 * --Hno3 08:05, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation: lä-fē-ˈet Paul Italiano 02:16, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

But it really should be "fai" as in "fie on thee!", shouldn't it? I'm from Lafayette and I find that I say "fee" when I don't think about it. Curses! I better start a counter-movement. --GenkiNeko (talk) 09:31, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation should be LA (emphasis here)-fay (rhymes with 'pay') - ette (as in suffragette). If anyone cares to translate that into linguistic terms, go ahead :).--24.5.197.145 (talk) 23:41, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Earthquake??
Really, a whole subsection of the History section for one minor earthquake??? That hardly seems noteworthy. --Fizbin 00:21, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Demographics (2000)
Since we already have newer information (2010) on here, is there any particular reason to keep the 2000 section under "Demographics"? I vote to remove it... Hno3 (talk) 00:46, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

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The picture of downtown seems to be from before some of the redevelopment that is going on down there, I used to live in Mtz and left just before that started, but if memory serves, when i was there a couple years ago even, most of main street had been redone with angled parking and large planters and such. Frijole 19:13, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Only one block of Main Street (Alhambra to Castro) has angled parking, planters etc. The photograph is several blocks away (taken from Ferry Street), and is an accurate view as of May 2012. --ChrisJBenson (talk) 07:06, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello.....
5 of the most famous residents of this medium sized town off 680 on the way to Vallejo (just before you hit the Benicia Bridge)...are all sports-related...

Joe DiMaggio (born there grew up in San Francisco) Norv Turner (San Diego Chargers Head Coach) Jim Turner (Chicago Bears offensive coordinator and Norv's brother) Stan Van Gundy (Alhambra High School Graduate and coach of the Orlando Magic (NBA) Jeff Van Gundy (former coach of the Houston Rockets/NBA and Stan's older brother also attended the same high school)...

So The Van Gundys and Turners grew up basically in the same town and at around the same time... I wonder if one set actually acknowledge the presence of the other set??

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The external link to the "Alhambra Creek Beavers Video" is incorrect
I have contacted You Tube, 86.73.111.100, and the videographer in an effort to obtain the correct URL. Gtkysor 17:31, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Beavers
This section seems very biased to me. Thoughts?--Banana 18:19, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Bocce Ball
Martinez is also home to the Martinez Bocce Federation, which is the largest bocce ball organization in the United States. The 15 bocce ball courts are located at the scenic waterfront park. League play occurs from April to October, seven nights per week, with over 1500 members participating. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smhello (talk • contribs) 20:21, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Change the City's Name?
Has there been any effort to change the town's name from Martinez to something else? How many cities in America are named "Martinez?" I know they change street names sometimes to avoid conflict and redundancy. Perhaps that would be a good idea.--76.212.152.96 (talk) 03:53, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

 * I apologise for this excessively delayed response. The short answer to your first question is no. This is presumably because of the short answer to your second question, which is one. This California settlement is the only incorporated city named Martinez in the United States. The only other census-designated place called Martinez is within the city of Augusta, Georgia, some 2,600 miles away, and conflict has so far been avoided. ChrisJBenson (talk) 23:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Martinez or Martínez?
It's an anachronism to refer to the city's eponym as Martínez, since the acute accent in -ez surnames did not become standard in Spanish until the 20th century. Also, it does not mean "Martin's son" but just "Martin's," since (when it was used as a patronymic, in the Middle Ages) it was applied to both sons and daughters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cobylub (talk • contribs) 16:28, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Map showing the city boundaries
For genealogical purposes, maps showing the boundaries at each major annexation would be helpful. 2602:304:CDA6:51B0:D009:4A74:5562:DD5E (talk) 03:49, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

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I’m so confused, the intro states Joaquin Moraga’s father was Gabriel Moraga, but under subheading History, Tenzin Moraga is labeled aS Joaquin’s father. A joke? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AniBunny (talk • contribs) 06:15, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

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Wondering why Campolindo is listed as being the only high school... I go to Orion... and it's a high school! And it's in Moraga!

In fact, it's about a 5 minute walk or less away from Campolindo.

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Talk:Mountain View, California (CDP)

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Talk:Oakley, California

This is Tourism. I had not heard of this town, so I visited this page. This is one of the worst pages I've seen. It reads like an advertisement. It is poorly written and poorly organized. For example, why is there mention of the Bike Plan in the first paragraph? Why so much casual verbiage about how the town was named? Regarding the Simone historic mound -- 1,000 AD is not "prehistoric"; whoever wrote that needs to read what prehistoric means; just because something is "old" doesn't make it "prehistoric". Words have meaning, especially here at Wikipedia, where accuracy and proper diction are essential. How is the list of schools relevant? Post a link to the school district if you want to refer people to schools. Why not list every fire station in town? Or every police station? Or every hospital? Why is the % of students in school relevant? How is that % verified? Is someone monitoring that % every month for fluctuations and updating this page? Wikipedia is not a tourism brochure. It's an objective factual resource about the topic/subject matter presented.

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