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Quick Question about article
Why is "Upstate New York" under the "See Also" section? Putnam is not in upstate NY. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.248.46.187 (talk) 02:07, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

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Major rewrite
Juliancolton, thanks for your efforts in improving this page. There are two different populations listed for Carmel (33,000 and 34,000) that should be made consistent.--Ana Nim (talk) 20:28, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I am happy to help! I will get on that population issue right now. I live in the Hudson Valley, so I might end up cleaning up a few of the county articles in New York. Juliancolton (talk) 16:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

GA Review
The article does not meet the Good article criteria at the present time, primarily with issues of completeness. There are also some organizational and reference citation issues as well. I'd rate it as a pretty good, solid, B-class article right now.

 * The history section only contains information cited form a single source. While some paragraphs look like some effort was made to paraphrase the information, others look like possible copyright violations (text copied word-for-word). It would be best to try and get additional information from additional sources, and integrate that into this section, and paraphrase information cited from the source that's there now. Done

 * The government section contains the minimum required information, and nothing more. I would recommend eliminating the subsection headers, and trying to integrate the executive and legislative branches together more. Talk about how they work together. Are there any courthouses in the county? When are elections held? Done

 * Geography starts out good, but then goes into a rather boring listing of reservoirs and adjacent counties. Listing is primarily a B-class article attribute, not GA. There's no information on climate, either. Done

 * The 'towns and municipalities' section actually looks pretty good. Make sure you link to all applicable city articles that exist here (some have no links).

 * Demographics is ok. What about including information about population growth?

 * Transportation is ok, but when providing citations for a bulleted list, it's better to put the citation after the colon in the introductory sentence, rather than on each individual item. Eliminate the subsection header for rail and integrate the information into one cohesive section, in prose. Also, the article only covers roads and rail; is there any air travel in the county? Done

 * Major sections missing: Economy, Education, Media (newspapers, radio, television), infrastructure (electricity, water, healthcare), Culture (annual cultural events, some points of interest is covered, but integrate that into a large culture section).

Hope this helps improve the article. Cheers! Dr. Cash (talk) 00:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I have done a couple of those things, and will work on the rest. Although, there is no major airport in Putnam, the only university or collage is the county collage, there is no major newspaper, but rather minor ones, etc. Would these need a section for just one collage of just one minor newspaper? Juliancolton (talk) 16:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

 * The section on courts is unnecessary. There is nothing unique about the Putnam County courts and its court system is virtually identical to every other county in the state outside of New York City. It adds nothing to an article on Putnam County to recite the structure of the state court system here. I deleted it once before but have not done so again in an effort to reach consensus on this. I'd be interested in hearing reasons why a section on the courts adds value to an article on Putnam.--Ana Nim (talk) 21:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

 * First, to someone who doesn't know anything about county courts, they don't know that it is the same as other county's courts. Also, per the GAN review, it is needed, although I don't know why it is necissary. Juliancolton (talk) 21:36, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

 * It would make more sense to me to just link to State Court where the New York State court structure is covered, and also linked to via an external link. Perhaps the GAN review is based on the notion that some counties have unique court structures, but this is not the case in New York generally, or for Putnam County, specifically. It just doesn't make sense to me that there should be 57 NY county pages with identical entries on the court systems. It just isn't encyclopedic.--Ana Nim (talk) 17:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

 * First, there are 62 counties in New York, not 57 ;), and second, the average person isn't going to see all 62 pages when they look for information of Putnam County. And third, it is what the GAN review says. I don't see why it hurts to keep it. Juliancolton (talk) 20:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Please take a deep breath, relax, and read what I wrote. ;-) I said Putnam's courts are identical to the other counties outside NYC. There are 5 NYC counties. 57 + 5 = 62. As for the GAN review, first, I don't think it makes sense to be a slave to format when the result is silly. Second, and more importantly, perhaps GAN's criteria refers to aspects such as describing where the courthouses are located and what is significant about them, and not to the organizational structure of the courts. A link to the standard would be helpful here, as I cannot locate it. (Just what specifically does it say an article on counties should have as respects courts?) Finally, the most important and encyclopedic aspects of the Putnam courts are omitted: 1) The old courthouse is the oldest working courthouse in the state; and 2) Putnam just opened a brand new, modern courthouse a few weeks ago. Those are the kind of facts that should be in the section, and not an off-point discussion of the organizational structure of the state court system. In fact, the Good Article criteria states that a good article "stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary details." The structure of the courts in all non-NYC counties is unnecessary detail and certainly not focused on Putnam County.--Ana Nim (talk) 18:29, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Adding only one new source to the history section doesn't exactly make that 'complete'. I would think more research needs to be done here. The section also pretty much leaves off with WWII and then states that it's "one of the fastest growing counties in NY." There's a whole lot of time between WWII and 2008. What happened in the past 60 years?

The 'government' section seems ok.

The climate section is too short -- there's only two tables and no text actually talking about the climate and weather patterns. This section should actually be in a subsection under 'geography', not a main section.

There still needs to be a section on the economic infrastructure; I'm sure there are businesses and industry to talk about here. What do people do for a living in this county?

An 'education' section doesn't necessary need to include colleges. What about primary & secondary schools? Libraries? Many counties have some type of school district (or districts) associated with them. How many students? How many teachers? Are there any notable schools (magnet schools, governor's schools)? Any teachers of the year working in the district/county?

Lack of a specific 'media' section is probably ok, if there's no real media within the county and all the news & tv stations are from nearby cities. It still might be nice to mention some of the smaller papers, or even if there are some radio stations broadcasting from the county. But this is less of an issue and more of a suggestion.

Article still needs something about the local culture. Local cultural events, county fairs, merge the 'points of interest' into this section, talk about any museums or local/state parks that might be present. Is there a substantial immigrant community and where did these people come from? How has this impacted the local culture?

Still needs a short section about 'infrastructure'. Where do residents receive electricity, water supply, healthcare?

I'll put this on hold for now. Cheers! Dr. Cash (talk) 15:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I hate to not be able to do that stuff, but I have searched all over the internet for infastructure, and all I could find is where the county gets its electricity. Would it effect that article alot to leave that out? Juliancolton (talk) 17:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

 * What you've added about infrastructure is really just a list and hardly worth mentioning. It's really just a listing in disguise as prose, and isn't all that important. I wouldn't worry about it too much for GA status, but at least, I'd move it to the very last section, and maybe make it bullet points for now (as more research is done, possibly offline, in these old things called "libraries", the information can be expanded).

 * The absolute musts at this stage for GA is:
 * 1. expanding the history section to include (a. more than two references, and b. don't largely stop at World War II).
 * 2. information on education needs to be added, preferably not just a listing of schools in disguise as prose.
 * 3. Add an economy section.
 * 4. The culture section is probably ok, but I still think it can be expanded more. Try to weave the information better together, rather than having two subsections, and one subsection with a single line. Promote this section to earlier in the article, maybe right after the economy section.
 * 5. Also, can the data in the two separate climate tables be incorporated into a single table (answer: Yes, it can (minor issue).

Dr. Cash (talk) 18:32, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Putnam county is a small and rural county, and the history info is sparse. I think three refs for the history is pretty good, but I will continued my serch. Juliancolton (talk) 22:27, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

 * You might try looking for a paper copy of this. Choess (talk) 21:48, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid this article still does not meet the Good article criteria, and cannot be passed. The lead section is still too short, there are still lots of very short sections and subsections, indicating a dire need of expansion of content, the history section still largely cuts off with World War II and then goes on to just list county executives, which is already in the government section immediately following it, and the reference citations are not in the proper format. I've left this on hold as long as I could, but the on hold time has clearly elapsed a long time ago, so I have no choice but to fail it at this time. Dr. Cash (talk) 06:22, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I am sorry, but there's just no more information. Putnam County is a very small, rural, county, which has basically no economy, no history after WW II and really nothing more to write about. In any event, thank you for your review and comments, which I will try to work off. Juliancolton The storm still blows...  13:30, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Being a small, rural county is not an excuse for skimping on content. There's plenty of small towns out there; Basin, Montana is probably smaller, and they certainly didn't skimp on the history section. Dr. Cash (talk) 16:46, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Basin Montana was a mining town, and had loads of geneological and geographical history. Putnam County doesn't have those things. You have to live in the Hudson Valley to know that. If I were to rewrite Dutchess County, New York, it would have enough history for a sub page with all of the historic sites, presidents, ancient history and such. Putnam just doesn't have that. Now, I don't want to be a pain in the neck here, but there's just no more information, so I am afraid I am going to have to abandon it, at least until there is a published work or a good website that I find that would include new information. Juliancolton The storm still blows...  17:07, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Education
The article as revised today contains this statement: "Every town and municipality in Putnam has its own school distict..." That is not correct. Cold Spring does not have its own school district; they send their students to the Garrison district. Patterson does not have its own school district; most kids from there go to Carmel schools. Kent does not have its own district; most from there to Carmel schools. Some parts of I am correcting the statement to say that the county is divided into six districts: Brewster, Carmel, Garrison, Haldane, Mahopac, and Putnam Valley.--12.144.20.254 (talk) 21:52, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Patterson does have one. And even if most kids go to Carmel, we still have to mention the rest of them. And Cold Spring is not a town, but rather a village. That is why I said "every town and municipality". Juliancolton ( The Giants Win! ) 21:55, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I correct myself; Patterson does not have one. I will fix that, and thanks for catching that for me. Juliancolton ( The Giants Win! ) 21:58, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Cold Spring is still a municipality, so the statement is wrong any way. And the data on Brewster being largest is way off too. Please check your data before posting.--Ana Nim (talk) 22:05, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Cold Springs is not a municipality. It is a village, and is within a larger town. Also, I never said that Brewster was the largest, but with further research, that is correct. Juliancolton ( The Giants Win! ) 22:08, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but you are wrong on both counts. You wrote Brewster high is the largest, but it only has 1200 students compared to Mahopac's 1600. Carmel has more too. Also, the term municipality includes incorporated villages. Cold Spring is an incorporated village, so it is a municipality.--Ana Nim (talk) 22:12, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't understand that. I don't ever remember adding that statement to the article, but I will not continue to argue. Also, in New York, a village and a municipalitiy are different classifications, so I believe that Cold Spring is indeed not a municipality. I will leave it at that, and if you believe that the information I have added to the Education section is incorrect, I will correct it to the best of my abilities. Juliancolton (Talk) 16:24, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

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Congressional Representation
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 * this upper NY state county is about to become quite famous - AP newswire reports 2008 presidential ballots for this county have error, "Barack Osama" instead of "Barack Obama" -- D & R reps both say "sorry" but don't say what the error was in their statements. -- (source: AP article, 10/10/2008) nexus in Seattle/WA

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Mention Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute is a pretty notable college located in Rensselaer County. I think it should deserve a minor mention, at least in the education section. 2620:0:2820:2001:FD1C:623A:7EDE:655F (talk) 23:52, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Pronunciation of "Rensselaer"
I posted the following comment to the Rensselaer, New York article's Talk section as well: There's no source given (as far as I can see) for where the pronunciation in this article came from. While /rɛnsəˈlɪər/ does appear in online dictionaries such as Random House's, residents of the area appear to favor /'rɛnsələr/. Just sharing an observation. 68.193.131.254 (talk) 21:55, 27 December 2022 (UTC)corpho

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The picture of the Tappan Zee Bridge is mislabeled. The high superstructure is on the eastern side (Westchester County). The lower, curving section, from which the picture is taken, is on the western side (Rockland County).

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Famous People
Looking at the list of people from Rockland, there are some pretty big names. But I checked a quick five of them, (such as Bill Murray, Al Pacino, John Steinbeck...), and most of them are not from Rockland at all. Can someone check on this/demonstrate why most of those names belong up there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.3.81.158 (talk) 23:30, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll agree. What does "from" mean in the context it's invoked here? I was born in New York, NY but moved to Rockland County when I was 18 months old. I grew up there. I attended two local elementary schools, a local junior high, and a private high school, all within the country boundaries. My mother still lives there. I'm from Rockland County. John Steinbeck? Did he live there for a year? I don't get it. 74.229.164.106 (talk) 13:21, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Inferiority complex
I removed the following contribution by an anon from the Geography section:

 * Rockland County is thought to have an inferiority complex to the more prestigious and famous parts of the New York Metropolitan Area, particularly Westchester, New York City, and Long Island, who in turn often snub Rockland by excluding the county from the region and even going so far as to claim Rockland is part of Upstate New York, which many in New York interpret to be a powerful put-down.

How does a county have an inferiority complex? Mwanner 18:36, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * While I don't think that belongs in an encyclopedia, as a native Rocklander I have to say that the county may indeed have an inferiority complex. It's a question of geographic identity, whether the county is more connected to New York City (as many Rocklanders see it) or whether it belongs with the rest of Upstate New York (and all the connotations and stereotypes that would go along with that association).  What can I say?  Rockland is a funny place that way.   :: Salvo (talk) 12:11, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

If you are a native Rocklander you cannot deny an unspoken feeling of resentment that it sometimes gets treated as a second-class citizen when compared to other parts of the Metro area. Also, people who aren't from the tri-state area always have to be explained where Rockland is. It's happened to every Rockland native at least once. It weird having to explain to everyone in detail where your home county is, even though it's just around 3 miles away from NYC's borders. Rockland is indeed a very strange place in that regard. It's sort of like being Prince Charles' brother, he's there but nobody knows who he is.

 * I sometimes feel resentful that we get treated as second-class citizens (Thanks for... redistricting Ben Gilman out of office, renaming the Malcolm Wilson TZB after some politico from Westchester, and making us pay an MTA tax, but getting relatively nothin' in return...), but I don't think that's the same as having an inferiority complex. I don't get angry at people considering us upstate, after all we are genuinely upstate (as in a direction), relative to The City. I'll take that over Lawn Guy Land. As for directions, I usually explain it, "You know where Westchester is? We hold up the west side of the Tappan Zee Bridge so cars don't go plunging into the river." (And do we get thanks for that??) -HiFiGuy 00:33, 25 January 2006 (UTC) (Suffern)

I agree that there is a difference between resentment of being treated like a second-class citizen and having an inferiority complex. It is the former, and not the latter.

Disagree. I too am a native of Rockland and never got the fealing that there were any ties to New York City. Thpugh I have heard many from the city refer to it as upstate it is far from upstate as well. Places like Utica and Syracuse and Elmira are "Upstate". I think of Rockland as place all its own. Larquitte 16:56, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Adjacent Counties
Taking the hint from the notice at the top of this page, I swapped the Adjacent Counties box, done up in HTML, for something more along the lines of what's suggested at the WikiProject U.S. Counties page. (Yes, if you ask Mapquest to zoom in on the Bear Mountain Bridge, you can see that Rockland has a border with Putnam, albeit it's pretty short and over water.) Actually, if you visit that page, it has some good suggestions for what might appear on this page. (For example, business and industry--we've got the second largest mall in the US of A (in terms of total floor space, not leasable area) here.) -HiFiGuy 01:02, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Harriman State Park

 * However, when the State of New York tried to relocate Sing Sing Prison to Bear Mountain in 1909, some of the wealthy businessmen who had made homes in the area, led by Union Pacific Railroad president E. H. Harriman, donated land as well as large sums of money for the purchase of properties in the area of Bear Mountain.

Was E.H. Harriman really interested in creating the state park (to the point of "leading the effort"), or was this effort led by his widow Mary Williamson Averell, who decided to leave $1 million and 10,000 acres after his death? I just want to give credit where credit is due... -HiFiGuy 21:11, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Letchworth Village
I removed the Letchworth Village entry under "hamlets" as Letchworth Village was a state institution run by the New York State Office of Mental Retardation and Developmental Disabilities. I don't think it ever was a census designated place, nor did it have residents, other than the consumers housed there, nor any stores, or "things to do/see" (even the Patriot Hills Golf Course carved out of the north side of Letchworth considers themselves "Stony Point.") Furthermore, it is/was served by the "Thiells" post office. For these reasons, I don't think anyone would consider themselves as living in the "hamlet of Letchworth Village." -HiFiGuy 06:29, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Gateway?
I don't think I've ever known of Rockland as "The Gateway to the Hudson River Valley," and neither does the web (aside from articles using Wikipedia content), so I removed this sentence. -HiFiGuy 20:27, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

trivia about a town in a game,was deleted
i made a trivia section and said that in a video game called suikoden there is a place called rockland, that In the video game called suikoden there is a town called rockland,all of the buildings in the town are made out of rocks. but someone got rid of it, i just want to know why, it's a nice thing to know( i didn't even know there was a place in real life called rockland until a few years ago, i always knew about suikoden's rockland.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hotspot (talk • contribs) 15:38, 22 January 2007

 * I always think it's interesting when we find something that links a thing in a game to something in the real world, so I can definitely imagine your enthusiasm when you found this. Rockland County isn't the only place with this name: check out the page for Rockland to see a list. The problem is that the Rockland in the game doesn't really have anything specifically to do with Rockland County in New York State.  If it did, then it would definitely be something that would belong on the Wikipedia page for the county.  If you can show that there is a link, other than the name, between the two, then it can be added, with the appropriate citations.  Hope this helps -- Alucard (Dr.) | Talk 16:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

okay i see now, thanks for telling me. hotspot

Environmental issues in Rockland County
This is Andy Stewart, Executive Director of Keep Rockland Beautiful. I would like help creating an "Environmental issues in Rockland County" section of our county's wiki page. Please call me at the office 845-708-9159 if you are interested in helping out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Astewart123 (talk • contribs) 17:46, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

First paragraph in article
The passage does not even mention The Bronx. It mentions the nearest point in Manhattan. Why? The Bronx is obviously closer than Manhattan. I think the last sentence of the paragraph should either be deleted or edited to add the closest point in The Bronx (possibly replacing Manhattan's closest point). hello (talk) 12:39, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Hasids and Rockland's History
The last sentence of the history section--about "Hasids" moving into the county after WWII, and somehow relating that to the "underpopulation" of the county before the opening of the TZB--is at the very least really weird and out of context.

It's like "in 1904 Bear Mountain Park opened, and by 2007 a lot of Hasidic Jews moved in ( and thankfully nobody got hurt in the process), end of history".

If we keep it I propose adding a section about my Cub Scout troop in the 1980s. MitchFX1 (talk) 19:22, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Southernmost county west of the Hudson
Isn't Richmond County the southernmost county of New York west of the Hudson ?Eregli bob (talk) 04:15, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Richmond County is actually south of the Hudson River. The river ends at the southern tip of Manhattan. Richmond County is west of New York Bay. Gurgeh77 (talk) 21:13, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

2020 Election
I am incredibly disappointed to see someone coming on and adding PREMATURE results of the 2020 election. The reported results right now have ZERO absentee ballots counted, only 77% total. I have received word from the Rockland County Democratic Committee and from the State Senator-elect that Rockland has flipped for Biden now that almost all the votes have been counted and we are awaiting official results. Even for those arguing that the difference is 11,000 and it's not going to flip, why even put incomplete numbers up? Let's not update this section until the count is CERTIFIED. Additionally I checked some of our neighboring counties Wikipedia pages and none have missing results up yet. -Jondude11 (talk) 14:46, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

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Does anyone know how to delete the “\n” above the second paragraph? I’m not sure where it is coming from. Chris725cart (talk) 01:56, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

This only appears in the Wikipedia App version of the article. Chris725cart (talk) 04:58, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Notable People
I added a section to the end of the page to list notable people from the county after seeing similar sections in other county pages. Is this beneficial to include? Chris725cart (talk) 15:34, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

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Assessment
I downgraded this from a B-Class article to start class. It is in the top tier of start class, but not quite C. Needs many more references. ~  ωαdεstεr 16  «talkstalk» 06:21, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

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Notability of inhabitants
To include people who have been seen to be non notable according to the Wikipedia notability guidelines (WP:NOTE and WP:BIO) is not the intention of those discussions, and comes across as trying to promote these people instead of trying to write a neutral, factual article. The other three "notable residents" have a Wikipedia article, so the difference is quite clear. Fram (talk) 06:29, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

What is a compromise for this?Sgt. bender (talk) 19:20, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Umm, leaving them out? They're included or they're not, and there is no good reason to include them, while the AfD is a good reason not to include them. Fram (talk) 09:29, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:NNC begs to differ. I can verify that they exist via reliable sources. Sgt. bender (talk) 20:34, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, no, it doesn't. It makes an exception for lists of people ("with the exception of lists of people"), and links to Notability (people) for an explanation of that exception. It is clear that inclusion in a list of notable people from X should only be done for people who are notable on their own (according to the Wikipedia guidelines), and these persons have been determined not to be notable. Fram (talk) 06:54, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And to move such a person from the list of notable residents to another section of the article, as you did with a quite non-descriptive edit summary, is obviously not the solution. I have removed the mentions again. Fram (talk) 06:57, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you sure you're reading the WP:NNC correctly? According to it, inclusion in an article needs to be based on relevance to the article at hand and not need to meet the requirements of a separate article. If you know that these people are relevant to the subject matter, please desist immediately and restore at least Mrs. Dutton to history, as I correctly changed. Sgt. bender (talk) 21:45, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Since we are having the same discussion on different pages, I'll refer to Talk:Schoharie Valley. Mrs. Dutton is not relevant for the history of Schoharie County, she has had no majot impact on the county... Fram (talk) 07:34, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but please re-state your area of expertise in Schoharie County History. Sgt. bender (talk) 20:38, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's not the way Wikipedia works. If you claim she did have an impact on the history of Schoharie County, you have to provide sources as evidence for your point. We already judged that she isn't notable in the general sense. You have not indicated any major, historicalimpact she had on Schoharie County, she just lives there. Fram (talk) 06:48, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Which non-notable residents are we talking about anyway? I took a scroll into history, and couldn't find the names. I didn't know Mrs. Dutton personally, but it has been my experience that Holocaust victims just want some peace and privacy. Stryteler (talk) 20:08, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Pronunciation?
Name probably should have a pronunciation added. - Jmabel | Talk 05:31, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Cherry Creek?
Article refers to immigrants settling near Cherry Creek, which as linked to refers to a locality in Chautauqua County in the far west of New York, not central New York where Schoharie is. Maybe Cherry Valley? (Not in Schoharie County but near it). SkilledShots (talk) 01:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Found and linked political units, but this still needs pie.

Why no map of the county? (instead of just a map showing the county within the state) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.62.47 (talk) 05:31, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Zip Codes
There are zip codes for NO cities and villages. There are zip codes for two towns and three hamlets. Why are so many places in this county missing zip codes? hello (talk) 01:02, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

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Pronunciation
Do we have a source for the pronunciation ? The vowel in the second syllable is arguable, but I've never heard it pronounced with the accent on the first syllable. Powers T 21:09, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

 * I was thinking the same thing. Everyone I know says stu-BEN county. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.218.86.48 (talk) 23:37, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

 * I changed it to put the accent on the ben. I grew up there/family lives there and that's what they say. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.245.194.253 (talk) 21:12, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Also I found a source for stu-BEN: http://www.stargazetterealestate.com/Community/NY/Steuben/index.html

(the star-gazette is a local newspaper) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.245.194.253 (talk) 21:34, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

...and pronounciation in German
In march, the lithuanian user sol505000 changed the german IPA-pronounciation from to, stating "incorrect IPA - the nasal is alveolar only when the schwa is sounded, syllabic nasals assimilate to the preceding stops". That may be theoreticly correct, but isn't so in reality. As a native speaker of German, who has worked and travelled his life in all parts of german speaking countries, in high german I've seldom heard (lips closed after the last sound) and most often  (lips slightly open after the last sound). So I disagree with the statement quoted above, and would say that the original german IPA-pronounciation was right - I admit that the difference is small, and that in some cases of mumbling pronunciation also can heard, but nevertheless there's no need to call a mumbling pronunciation the regular one (or many, many IPA-pronounciations have to be adapted...). ThomasPusch (talk) 19:57, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

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I hate to criticize what has been done here, but I think that someone needs to start all over and reorganize this page.

Fisher's Island
This entry doesn't mention Fisher's island at all, but it's part of Suffolk County. The town lists need to include it.

Fisher's Island is indeed part of Suffolk County, however, it is not a town, it is a hamlet. There are only ten towns within the County of Suffolk.

There is no mention of Long Island McArthur Airport or any mention of Great White Shark Contests out in Montauk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.117.220.254 (talk) 20:59, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Peconic County?
It's been 17 years since I lived there, but I believe that the proposed "new" county would consist of the five eastern towns (Riverhead, East Hampton, Southampton, Shelter Island and Southold) and has been provisionally named "Peconic" county. The idea has been kicking around for...since I left, and probably for quite a long time before that. Probably the best way to confirm this would be to review bills introduced in the State Assembly? Ellsworth 21:50, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * I just changed the wording on the Peconic County mention. I felt that the wording was not neutral.  I also added a link to the WP describing the process, so that we do not need to duplicate it here.  Hope this meets with approval. -- Alucard (Dr.) | Talk 13:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

this place rocks!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Woehtopwaht3opht9p34ht034ht934 (talk • contribs) 22:57, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Water boundaries
GoogleEarth shows county boundaries as extending only to 5 miles from "shore". Long Island Sound is more than 10 miles across as some points, so it seems that not every county north of Suffolk would have a water bounsary with Suffolk Co. --JimWae (talk) 20:17, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

 * My source, as is almost always the case with my U.S. geographical and population information that I have provided, is the United States Census Bureau. You might take a look at their maps at (You'll have to pick out a location in particular.) I think that they might be a little more "official" source than Google, from whom I don't know what their ultimate source is. Backspace (talk) 00:23, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Mr JimWae I would like to add a few Photos of Long Island on the bottom We are blessed with so much water frontage and landscape views that Suffolk has to offer can I add some on the bottom titled photos ? Long Island Suffolk County photos —Preceding unsigned comment added by Praiseandworship (talk • contribs) 06:35, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

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Universities
Given the size of Stony Brook, and its importance to the economy of Suffolk, it seems odd that a picture of a very small school is being used to depict this section--JimWae (talk) 19:38, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm in favor of using Stony Brook too, I doubt any masterplan is behind the current pic from Dowling.--Neighborhoodpalmreader (talk) 01:25, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Suffolk County Legislature
OK. Has anyone noticed that the political distribution for the 18 legislative districts doesn't add up to 18? If there are 10 Democrats, 5 Republicans, 1 Independence Party and 1 Working Families Party, what does that add up to? For those bad in arithmetic, the answer is 17. If possible can anyone please help me find the discrepancy? Thank you. Stevenmitchell (talk) 01:51, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Basic Demographics
For an obviously erroneous understanding of word use, a "household" is not a "housing unit". I am not going to recalculate the number of units (domiciles) per square mile, but I will mark that inclusion as wrong, since the inability of the Wikipedia contributor to recognize the difference leads to a miscalculated figure. I have not checked yet to see who is responsible for the error and ask them to fix it, but I will attempt to do so... It is a rather elementary cognitive failure. Stevenmitchell (talk) 04:34, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Fire Departments
Why is there no mention of the fire departments here? RES2773 (talk) 02:59, 13 July 2015 (UTC)RES2773

To add to article
To add to article: a good map of Suffolk County, New York, showing the important settlements. It's pretty incredible that there isn't already one in the article. 76.189.141.37 (talk) 04:57, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

To add to article: a good map of Suffolk County, New York, showing the important settlements. It's pretty incredible that there isn't already one in the article. 76.189.141.37 (talk) 22:10, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

 * I believe there used to be an effective map in earlier versions of this article. As is common with Wikipedia, a lot of important information gets buried in earlier editions, without resurfacing. But keep in mind that almost all of Suffolk County consists of small towns and villages, with the only actual towns that are city-like being Huntington, Southampton or Melville. Keep in mind, that other than Melville, or the government complexes in Hauppauge or Central Islip, there is no town in Suffolk County that is more than 2 stories high. As there are virtually no corporate enterprises left in Suffolk County, there are predominantly local hamlets that function as tourist attractions. Stevenmitchell (talk) 04:31, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

To add to article: a good map of Suffolk County, New York, showing the important settlements. It's pretty incredible that there isn't already one in the article. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 02:44, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

To add to article: a good map of Suffolk County, New York, showing the important settlements. It's pretty incredible that there isn't already one in the article. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 06:59, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

The lack of a good map in this article that shows all the important settlements of Suffolk County is very ridiculous, unencyclopedic, and embarrassing. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 03:40, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

(6 years later) To add to article: a good map of Suffolk County, New York, showing the important settlements. 98.123.38.211 (talk) 01:59, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Law and Government - marine law enforcement
The author or editor(s) might consider editing the paragraph referencing bay constables. Bay Constables are not accessory or subservient to nor are they backup to the Suffolk County Police Department. They are distinct law enforcement tities constituting one of the oldest forms marine fish and wildlife and related law enforcement in New York, with powers and duties first codified in State statutes dating to the mid-1860s, predate State game protectors (now Environmental Conservation Police), State Police, and the Suffolk County Police. They routinely work jointly with and cooperate, coordinate, and share equally marine law enforcement activities with Suffolk County, other municipal, State and federal marine law enforcement agencies. Once elected officials of some towns, they are now civil service positions in all of Long Island’s 13 towns except Islip, which once employed both Bay Constables and Harbormasters - as several Suffolk County towns do today - but now employs Harbormasters rather than Bay Constables. In Long Island’s east end towns Bay Constables and Harbormasters provide the marine patrol and law enforcement functions of the town police departments, and in most west end towns as part of their respective town departments of public safety or, as is the case in the Town of Huntington, the Town’s Department of Maritime Services.

If necessary or desired I can provide references that include New York’s first iteration of its Bay Constable Act from the 1860s.

Steve Resler 67.248.78.61 (talk) 20:02, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

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I was checking information about Sullivan County and the citation for the “Center of Population.” Seems to be a dead link, sending me to “This page is no longer avaliable.” Danubeball (talk) 03:49, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

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Nothing about Chemung County?
Over at the Chemung County, New York article, it says: "For the history of Chemung County prior to its creation by partition, see Tioga County, New York." However, this article doesn't address Chemung at all. How does this history section apply to that county, please? Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 03:34, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

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Actually, cities are not within towns in NY, except in a geographical sense; the same is true for villages. Cities and Villages are part of the state, not the towns or even the counties.

misleading date?
The sidebar and text disagree about the foundation date for the county; pretty sure text is right. I'm going to double-check this, and then correct it. (I live in the City of Ithaca)

Asrabkin 07:37, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I called the County Clerk today to ask what date the county was formed in 1817 (doing genealogy & it matters to my records). I was transferred to the Legislature Office and was told that TC was offcially created on 7 Apr 1817 and the first government meeting was held on 28 Apr 1817. If you want me to cite that, I would be glad to, but how would I do it? Wordreader (talk) 18:27, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * All claims made on Wikipedia must be verifiable. An unrecorded phone call to a nameless government employee does not meet the criteria for a reliable source.  Note that while your claim that the date is "7 Apr 1817" fails verification according to a search of Google Books, the works appearing in those search results would make excellent citations to accompany the correct (and verifiable) date.  -- DanielPenfield (talk) 21:22, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

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Il b better tomorrow is just that it's really difficult just guessing because I'm not used to it maybe if I can sit down and learn in person or over the phone just once I feel like I learn better like that Tarry bugga (talk) 07:11, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Shady?
Isn't Shady, New York located in this county? Badagnani 08:09, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Yes, it is. It is within the township of Woodstock, NY. --Kschwerdt514 03:27, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I've created an article for it at Shady, New York. Badagnani 03:35, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Map - Requesting comments
I'm interested in adding this Userspace Draft Map to the Ulster County article, and perhaps trying to incorporate it into the Ulster County box. I would appreciate any feedback I can get on both the idea and the map itself. Monty 845  07:09, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

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County seat
Queensbury: Not likely the entire town is the county seat.Stepp-Wulf (talk) 02:40, 13 July 2009 (UTC).
 * The source provided says it is. --JBC3 (talk) 16:50, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I would seriously quibble with that. Yes, the main county government buildings are located within Queensbury. But, per the county's own contact info, they use the Lake George ZIP code. When the county was created in 1813, Lake George was purposely chosen as the county seat due to its centrality (Glens Falls wasn't really in existence yet). The Old Warren County Courthouse Complex, which I just created, is within the village of Lake George (not created for another 90 years after the county itself, but then home to the courthouse and county government until 1963). Just about every other source lists Lake George as the county seat regardless of where the county government buildings are. Daniel Case (talk) 14:55, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

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Proposed article structure
This article has been dormant for too long. Let's start putting some meat on it. The WikiProject U.S. Counties suggests the following article outline —

 * Introduction
 * History
 * Origin of the county's name
 * Circumstances of the county's establishment
 * Major historical events that occurred in county
 * Law/Government
 * County Executive -- current, previous executives
 * representative body?
 * Education
 * Geography
 * County seat
 * Physical geography (area, unique features)
 * Geographic center and bounds, polygonal outline (latitude and longitude points)
 * List of Townships or other subdivisions
 * List of Municipalities
 * List of contiguous counties
 * Major Parks and Cultural Institutions
 * Notable Festivals and Parades, with dates
 * Economy
 * Major industries/products
 * Taxes
 * Demographics
 * County population
 * Racial/ethnic makeup
 * Religious makeup
 * List of Census-recognized cities and towns in the county
 * List of unincorporated communities in the county
 * List of adjacent counties
 * Colleges/Universities in county, sporting teams in county, similar lists
 * A link to a list of counties in that county's state

Sections already addressed are struck through. Let's knock some more off the list.

—  Jim Dunning  talk  : 05:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I will take on building one of the Cities/Villages/Towns, etc Templates for the county and will add it. -- Alucard (Dr.) 14:28, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Ah I see it's already built - will add it. -- Alucard (Dr.) 14:35, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks. A major revamp has been done and additional topics have been knocked off the list, although some of them have just placeholder info (so expand on them!). Economy copy would be good (apples, etc.) We need more sources, too. Please check over the renovation and look for mistakes and holes.

 * —  Jim Dunning  talk  : 20:04, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

County genesis simplified
The description of the numerous subdividings of the original Albany County ultimately into Wayne has been extensively reduced. Although very interesting, the detail seems more appropriate as a subpage or a section of History of New York State. I will look for an opportunity to add it to that article, thus preserving someone's interesting work.

Also, I simplified the description of Anthony Wayne. He was honored more for his Revolutionary War accomplishments and his subsequent political career than his Northwest Indian War efforts. Also, the resulting treaties with the Native Americans appear to focus more on territories west of New York, so I coudln't find confirmation of the statement that the Treaty of Greenville helped form New York state. More information is welcome, however.

—  Jim Dunning  talk  : 17:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

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