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Bachelor of Applied Science

A Bachelor of Applied Science (BAS or BASc) is an undergraduate academic degree of applied sciences.

Usage
In Canada, the Netherlands and other places the Bachelor of Applied Science (BASc) is equivalent to the Bachelor of Engineering, and is classified as a professional degree. In Australia and New Zealand this degree is awarded in various fields of study and is considered a highly specialized professional degree. In the United States, it is also considered a highly specialized professional technical degree; the Bachelor of Applied Science (BAS) is an applied baccalaureate, typically containing advanced technical education in sciences combined with liberal arts education that traditional degrees do not have. Yet, an earned BAS degree includes the same amount of required coursework as traditional bachelor's degree programs.

The BAS degree is designed to develop both theoretical and pragmatic knowledge (Bachelors Portal, n.d.). Compared to the Bachelor of Arts (BA) and Bachelor of Science (BS), a BAS degree combines “theoretical and hands-on knowledge and skills that build on a variety of educational backgrounds” (Edmunds College, n.d.). BAS degrees often enhance occupational/technical education.

In February 2009, the Dutch Minister of Education, Culture and Science, Ronald Plasterk, proposed to replace all the existing degrees offered by Dutch vocational universities, such as the BBA, BEd and BEng, with the BAA and the BASc. Similarly, the United States has taken BAS as an official degree name.

Fields of study
The BAS usually requires a student to take a majority of their courses in the applied sciences, specializing in a specific area such as the following:

 * Agricultural systems
 * Applied physics
 * Applied mathematics
 * Architectural engineering
 * General engineering
 * Automotive engineering
 * Building Arts
 * Biological engineering
 * Biochemical engineering
 * Built Environment
 * Business informatics
 * Chemical engineering
 * Civil engineering
 * Computer science
 * Computer engineering
 * Communication
 * Construction Management
 * Criminal justice
 * Criminology
 * Electrical engineering
 * Environmental engineering
 * Geomatics
 * Occupational health and safety
 * Public health
 * Engineering management
 * Engineering physics
 * Engineering science
 * Engineering science and mechanics
 * Geological engineering
 * Hospitality Management
 * Industrial engineering
 * Information management
 * Integrated engineering
 * Information systems
 * Information technology
 * Management engineering
 * Management of technology
 * Manufacturing engineering
 * Manufacturing Management
 * Materials science & engineering
 * Mechanical engineering
 * Mechanical engineering technology
 * Mechatronics engineering
 * Mining engineering
 * Microbiology
 * Nanotechnology engineering
 * Nutrition and Food
 * Paralegal Studies
 * Forensics
 * Astrophysics
 * Professional Technical Teacher Education
 * Project Management
 * Property and Valuation
 * Software engineering
 * Sound engineering
 * Surveying
 * Sustainable building science technology
 * Systems engineering
 * Regional and Urban Planning
 * Applied physics & electronic engineering
 * Business management
 * Social science
 * Leadership

title: Bachelor of Applied Science


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Talk:Omega Point

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Merging Omega Point (Tipler) (redux)
A discussion is occurring over at Talk:Omega_Point_(Tipler) in which we attempt to fix it up and maybe move it somewhere. It has been anticipated that the improved article may not justify its own page and I wondered whether it would be appropriate to (re-)merge into here or whether it might belong under the Frank J. Tipler article. The Tipler OPT seems quite distinct from other uses of Omega Point so is this maybe an inappropriate place to merge it into? I'd welcome some feedback on this. 58.96.94.12 (talk) 01:57, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

This article needs to be better integrated into Teilhard's article, perhaps even merged there, or into an article on the 1950 book. Tipler's stuff can be merged into Tipler's bio article, there is nothing to be gained from conflating Tipler's ideas with Teilhard's. --dab (𒁳) 15:40, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. For now, I'll update the redirect and will look to improving this section here when I have a moment.  By way of informing editors here, the consensus was to merge the other article into the author's page. 58.96.94.12 (talk) 23:07, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree that Tipler's stuff should be stowed away into the article dedicated to its creator, but disagree in regard to Teilhard's concept of the Omega point. The same kind of "merger" was proposed for the Timewave zero article. In the result, Timewave zero was redirected to 2012 phenomenon without any merger, i.e., was, in effect, deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.110.15.52 (talk) 04:29, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I suggest leaving this article as a separate article, It's a concept which has become a cultural meme, and I think a very pertinent one.--109.151.214.30 (talk) 03:13, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Original research, crystal ball?
Hi! I read the rest of this article with interest, having read some Teilhard de Chardin years ago. However, the section on "The timing of the Omega Point" strikes me as original research and employing a crystal ball. The sentence "That moment is coming apace and hastening:" is obviously unverifiable and irredeemably prospective. The sources used for the following items are dubious: no common methodology, no real data, and in the case of the last one, ridiculous and unsupported. The following quote also strikes me as tangentially related at best.

Unless somebody wants to clean it up, it's my intention to prune the section back the first sentence, which is the only one I'd consider properly encyclopedic. Thanks, William Pietri (talk) 11:47, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

He is heretic and panentheist this teilhard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.204.49.5 (talk) 13:29, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Reguarding "Technological singularity as a rival concept": More original research...
All this speaking of "Some transhumanist writings refer to this moment as the Omega Point, paying homage to Teilhard's prior use of the term, though Teilhard himself denounces the belief in a collective technological singularity as a form of cowardice." ... -- is just so much "original research."

If someone could point to "Teilhard himself denounces the belief in a collective technological singularity as a form of cowardice," I'd love to see it -- I've read The Future of Man, and several detailed biographies of the man and glossaries of his thought, -- and nothing I have seen in the Wikipedia text I'm criticizing here makes any sense to me.

I read both the quoted text here, and the quoted text in the original document, and I'm just not seeing it. Was it the use of the word "mechanism" here? Does the author understand that Teilhard is not referring to gears and wires here?

I would guess that someone who identifies themself as a singularitarian has taken it upon themselves to distance their movement from Teilhard, and is positing original research as if it were established fact.

LionKimbro (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:54, 22 October 2010 (UTC).

The author of the article claims that in the Omega Point there will be only one person, but that is refuted by the section "Characteristics of the Omega Point"... and by "The Fenomenon of Man", and many other works by Teilhard, where he makes claims like this: "Union diferentiates" (this is precisely in "The Fenomenon of Man"), trying to state that, the more united the participants in a union, the more different from each other they become. So, I consider those claims about a single person in the final stage should be corrected, in order to reflect accuratelly Teilhard´s thought. Miguel 190.79.224.88 (talk) 19:09, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Teilhard was explicitly against the concept of a collective singularity. According to him, mankind's convergence (globalization) is merely a preparation for "crossing the threshold" via a "point of dissociation"—death:

Are we to foresee man seeking to fulfil himself collectively upon himself, or personally on a greater than himself? Refusal or acceptance of Omega? A conflict may supervene. In that case the noosphere, in the course of and by virtue of the process which draws it together, will, when it has reached its point of unification, split into two zones each attracted to an opposite pole of adoration. Thought has never completely united upon itself here below. Universal love would only vivify and detach finally a fraction of the noosphere so as to consummate it—the part which decided to ‘cross the threshold’, to get outside itself into the other. Ramification once again, for the last time. <...> The death of the materially exhausted planet; the split of the noosphere, divided on the form to be given to its unity; and simultaneously (endowing the event with all its significance and with all its value) the liberation of that percentage of the universe which, across time, space and evil, will have succeeded in laboriously synthesising itself to the very end. Not an indefinite progress, which is an hypothesis contradicted by the convergent nature of noogenesis, but an ecstasy transcending the dimensions and the framework of the visible universe. <...> The idea is that of noogenesis ascending irreversibly towards Omega through the strictly limited cycle of a geogenesis. At a given moment in the future, under some influence exerted by one or the other of these curves or of both together, it is inevitable that the two branches should separate. However convergent it be, evolution cannot attain to fulfilment on earth except through a point of dissociation. With this we are introduced to a fantastic and inevitable event which now begins to take shape in our perspective, the event which comes nearer with every day that passes: the end of all life on our globe, the death of the planet, the ultimate phase of the phenomenon of man.
 * —Chardin, Pierre Teilhard de ♦ The Phenomenon of Man

89.110.23.207 (talk) 07:09, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Please
I don't know who wrote this, but it is clearly entirely original research with no basis in science even though it addresses the topic as that it were unequivocally true and accepted. However, anyone can see that it is a bunch of nonsense, with no indication that there is the slightest bit of controversy as to whether or not it's actual science (as it charades to be) or a sloppy ontological argument shoving in terms from actual science. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.46.6.92 (talk) 21:31, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

 * I don't know who wrote this either, but it isn't original research. It's a summation of the ideas of Pierre Teilhard de Chardin and Frank Jennings Tipler. I also don't agree that "anyone can see it is a bunch of nonsense." Also this is not purporting to be a science article, rather futurology/philosophy.--109.151.214.30 (talk) 03:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

 * It is clearly a lot of nonsense, the article does not bother to include any evidence and is full of wishful thinking. This is more like religious propoganda. Smk65536 (talk) 08:58, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

 * It is clearly a lot of nonsense. Agreed. It is v.poorly contrived original research with zero support. Arianewiki1 (talk) 00:01, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

NPOV and Original Research problems
This article does not have a neutral point of view, instead talking as if Omega Point Theory is correct, rather than having sentence structures such as "According to Omega Point Theory, ..." Omega Point Theory is just that, a theory that is not known to be correct or to be incorrect, so the article should remain neutral as to whether the theory is correct. I added a "NPOV" tag to the article and it is fine with me if someone removes that tag as long as they first clean up the sentence structures throughout the article to indicate that the statements are not statements of fact but rather statements of what the Omega Point Theory PROPOSES to be correct. I also added the "Original Research" tag because of the numerous complaints of original research by the other people who have already commented on this talk page about original research in this article. --Yetisyny (talk) 16:28, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Significant Omission: Discussion of Time Cube
Article certainly needs work in general, but as someone interested in this topic, I was very disappointed to see that there was no mention whatsoever of the Time Cube. This seems like a very grave omission -- I do hope that future edits will include at least mention of a conceptual framework that is surely closely related to the one delineated in the current article. StrangeAttractor (talk) 06:51, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You're being sarcastic, right? AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 17:10, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

 * Sigh, Poe's Law, always strikingly relevant in the post-fact era. StrangeAttractor (talk) 23:23, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

All of these "theories" make about as much sense as the Time Cube and are treated accordingly by the scientific community. I think that's what StrangeAttractor was alluding to. Dimhue (talk) 04:09, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

 * I think there's an issue in Wikipedia with articles like this on very obscure subjects that are primarily written by advocates. They are so far outside the mainstream, that there is no mainstream to ensure the article has an objective POV (I have issues with the notion of a purely NPOV article on subjects that are not hard science, but there certainly is such a thing as an attempt at a balanced POV). So articles like this are written only by people who hold the subject as article of faith, because the subject is so obscure, no one feels confident enough to provide a counter-point, or indeed, even to nominate the article for deletion (and I'm generally not a fan of deletion for any article).  But when reading something like this, I'm disappointed to find that there's not a single indication to contradict my paranoid feeling that the article is so devoid of objective reality that it might be written by an enthusiastic cult member, or even just one particular monomaniacal schizophrenic.  Show me how this concept has been played out and discussed in the greater culture in the article and I might feel otherwise.  And without a doubt -- not least for its huge cultural familiarity -- time cube belongs in Wikipedia.  That's something I feel we can all discuss.  -- StrangeAttractor (talk) 06:19, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I am currently developing this article and would like to know more about the Time Cube you have brought to the Talk Page's attention. What does it regard, how does it relate to the topic, and what are some good resources for me to utilize if I decide it is appropriate to incorporate? Thank! Cacrotty (talk) 22:16, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

 * Pretty much all you need to know is here: time cube. Enjoy. StrangeAttractor (talk) 23:23, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Barely understandable addition
"The concept ascends to Isaac Newton, who regarded the continuum's gravitational potential as animus mundi[1][2]—a radial gradient of animateness. Being the continuum's most animate object, the most complexely organized human is the attractor of the continuum's gravitational involution (see Fine-tuned Universe). In this schema, animus mundi (God) liberates the universe's matter from the sin of inanimateness by incarnating into the most complexely organized human, psychokinetically controlling the universe like his own body:" - What does this even mean? --Neil N  talk to me 15:05, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

 * @NeilN, @John, @Dragons flight, It appears that the same editor has been making almost identical contributions to Zero-energy universe and Accelerating universe and possibly to other cosmological pages as well.

Technological singularity irrelevant to this article
I'm not certain as to what "Technological singularity" has to do with this article, but since Abierma3 has a different view I would like to discuss it here. This article is a religious belief, which is made clear in the introduction of this article. Teilhard says that "[the] universe is constantly evolving towards higher levels of material complexity and consciousness", aka the universe is "concious" in a way. Technological singularity is something concrete, in simple terms the development of AI would surpass human intelligence. What do any of these two have to do with each other? The word "conciousness" does not appear in the latter article as far as I can see.

Furthermore, the section is unsourced, with the only source in the section I can see being http://omegapoint.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=32 which appears to be a site promoting this religious belief. I have added the unsourced tag. Smk65536 (talk) 05:41, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

 * Smk65536, please read this article published in a peer-reviewed academic journal to clear up your confusion http://jetpress.org/v20/steinhart.htm
 * If you chose not to read it, here's a few key sentences from the abstract:
 * "Teilhard is almost surely the first to discuss the acceleration of technological progress to a Singularity in which human intelligence will become super-intelligence. He discusses the spread of human intelligence into the universe and its amplification into a cosmic intelligence. More recently, his work has been taken up by Barrow and Tipler; Tipler; Moravec; and Kurzweil. Of course, Teilhard’s Omega Point Theory is deeply Christian, which may be difficult for secular transhumanists. But transhumanism cannot avoid a fateful engagement with Christianity."

 * The article goes on to explain the connection between Omega Point and technological singularity in great detail.

 * As for your concerns about the section being unsourced, I will try to add sources soon when I get some free time. Abierma3 (talk) 08:36, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

 * Thank you for the source, I have given it a good read. To address the problem of that section being poorly sourced, I have rewrote parts of it using sourced material from both your source and sources from the technological singularity article. Feel free to improve. However I disagree with you previously using the source to attach Ray Kurzweil to this article. Ray Kurzweil has never talked about this religious belief let alone have this religious belief, and associating him is overreaching. Smk65536 (talk) 09:53, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

 * I don't know how the the source could be any more clear:

 * "More recently, his work has been taken up by Barrow and Tipler; Tipler; Moravec; and Kurzweil."

 * "Kurzweil also articulates a somewhat weaker OPT."

 * "My method is to present these ideas in a charitable way using a contemporary conceptual vocabulary, and to show how they have been refined by transhumanists such as Tipler, Moravec, and Kurzweil."

 * "Teilhard’s writings outline a series of epochs of complexity. These closely resemble the six epochs of complexity described by Kurzweil (2005: 7-33). In order to show how Teilhard’s vision is taken up by such transhumanist thinkers as Kurzweil, I'll divide Teilhard’s epochs of complexity into the six outlined by Kurzweil (2005: 15)."

 * Teilhard preceded Kurzweil. Kurzweil developed the idea of Omega Point Theory first articulated by Teilhard. The connection is clear. Keep in mind this is a peer-reviewed academic journal. This is not something that would have been overlooked by those reviewing it. Maybe you are confused on the definition of development? A religious idea can be developed into an advanced concept that does not solely focus on the religious aspect. The weakened focus on religion while focusing more on the technological aspects itself can be considered a development. I do not want to continue an edit war, but it is fairly evident that you are willing to disregard facts in an attempt to wipe Kurzweil from this article. I will be reverting your edit to what is consistent with what the source says.Abierma3 (talk) 16:05, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

 * I am attempting to engage in discussion with you. The connection is not clear at all. Having similarities is not the same as development. There is little evidence in that article that Kurzweil even knows about this religious belief, let alone "develop" it. Have a look at the following paragraph:

"Teilhard’s OPT was later refined and developed by Barrow and Tipler (1986) and by Tipler alone (1988; 1995). Ideas from the Barrow-Tipler OPT were, in turn, taken up by many transhumanists (see, for example, Moravec (1988; 2000) and Dewdney (1998)). Kurzweil also articulates a somewhat weaker OPT. He says: “evolution moves inexorably toward our conception of God, albeit never reaching this ideal” (2005: 476; see also 375, 389-390). Many transhumanists work within the conceptual architecture of Teilhard’s OPT without being aware of its origins. Indeed, Teilhard is mostly ignored in the histories of transhumanism; e.g., he is mentioned once and only in passing in Bostrom’s (2005) detailed history of the transhumanist movement."

 * Not being aware of Teilhard's religious belief cannot be called a development on it at all. It can only be called a concept which bears some similarities, superficially or not. Smk65536 (talk) 19:38, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

 * Take a close look:

 * "...his work has been taken up by Barrow and Tipler; Tipler; Moravec; and Kurzweil."

 * "...they have been refined by transhumanists such as Tipler, Moravec, and Kurzweil."

 * These these two sentences explicitly state that Teilhard's OPT was refined by Tipler, Moravec, and Kurzweil.Abierma3 (talk) 21:33, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

 * And where does the evidence for that come from? The author clearly states that "Teilhard’s OPT was later refined and developed by Barrow and Tipler (1986) and by Tipler alone". It is clear from my quote that Kurzweil's theory merely has similarities with Teilhard's religious belief, and not an explicit development. You are taking the author's words at face value and treating them as facts. If "Omega Point" was actually part or a significant influence of Kurzweil's theory, then where does he mention this in his books? Smk65536 (talk) 08:50, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

 * Per WPNOTRS content guideline, "Wikipedia articles should be based mainly on reliable secondary sources" and "All interpretive claims, analyses, or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary source, rather than original analysis of the primary-source material by Wikipedia editors." As for taking the author's words at face value and treating them as facts, that is exactly what should be done with a reliable source. Wikipedia has peer-reviewed journals on their list of the most reliable sources, and the Journal of Evolution and Technology fits all the criteria for being a reliable source. Abierma3 (talk) 11:20, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

 * "Wikipedia articles should be based mainly on reliable secondary sources" Exactly. This is why so far I have not questioned the accuracy of the article. What I question is your interpretation of the author's words, and treating the author's words at face value instead of understanding that "taken up" here means both similarities and developments, not developments alone. Otherwise why would the author say "Teilhard’s OPT was later refined and developed by Barrow and Tipler (1986) and by Tipler alone" while saying after "Many transhumanists work within the conceptual architecture of Teilhard’s OPT without being aware of its origins.", and in the article "seems to correspond closely"? This is not a development at all, only a similarity at best. Other academic papers I have seen from the first page of a google scholar search http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/hast.195/full http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-94-007-4981-8_2 also do not call this a development, only a similarity. Smk65536 (talk) 22:51, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

 * The definition of refine is "to remove the unwanted substances in (something)" or "to improve (something) by making small changes." Precision and clarity of words is key in articles of philosophy, this wording would have been carefully scrutinizes in the academic review process. The author states, "Many transhumanists work within the conceptual architecture of Teilhard’s OPT without being aware of its origins," because this is absolutely true. There is no doubt that the large majority of transhumanists ignore Teilhard, but the author specifically states that Tipler, Moravec, and Kurzweil refined Teilhard's belief. You are accusing me of taking the author's words at face value when this is exactly what Wikipedia policy calls for. What Wikipedia policy prohibits is forming your own analysis and interpretation of a source, which is exactly what you are doing. Abierma3 (talk) 23:46, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

 * You might have missed this wikipedia policy WP:NPOV: "Avoid stating opinions as facts. Usually, articles will contain information about the significant opinions that have been expressed about their subjects. However, these opinions should not be stated in Wikipedia's voice. Rather, they should be attributed in the text to particular sources, or where justified, described as widespread views, etc." Words such as "refine" (in the case of "to improve (something) by making small changes.") and "develop" require explicit evidence, which needs to include at the minimum evidence of Kurzweil acknowledging Teilhard's belief as having influenced his thoughts. Otherwise we can only state it as an opinion of the author. Smk65536 (talk) 00:07, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

In response to your question on the exact quotations which mention the similarities, the sources you have removed include the following:

"Teilhard’s vision of a technologically assisted human evolution toward imperishable bodies and a unification of individual human minds into a global consciousness or “Noosphere” shares features with Kurzweil’s idea of an impending “Singularity” in which the Internet and other computer-based forms of communication and intelligence foster the emergence of a global “cybermind.”"

"There are significant similarities between Kurzweil’s vision of the future and Teilhard’s eschatology including an emphasis on consciousness, an evolutionary theory that provides for superorganisms (emergence of complexity from more basic forms), an exceptional role for humanity but also its superannuation, and the culmination in universe consciousness. The differences, however, should also be noted. Pierre Teilhard de Chardin describes consciousness in terms of spirit whereas Ray Kurzweil emphasizes information, computation, and intelligence. He and other transhumanists describe the evolutionary process in secular terms, for example, natural selection, Moore’s Law of exponential increases in processing power, and technological innovation, so that there is no need to introduce divine agency."

Niether articles mention "development", only "similarities". According to wikipedia's policy we should give due weight to all opinions. Smk65536 (talk) 00:07, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

 * Neither of these articles state that Kurzweil did not develop Teilhard's OPT. Both articles affirm their similarities. It would be expected that a refinement of an idea would share similarities to the original idea. We also have a reliable source that explicitly states that Kurzweil did refine Teilhard's OPT. You are creating a contradiction where there is none due to your own bias against Kurzweil. As for your explanation of Wikipedia policy about opinions, it is not an opinion if a person says that Kurzweil refined Teilhard's OPT. This is factual information that would have been researched and verified in the peer review process. It would be an opinion and NPOV concern if a person says that Kurzweil's development is superior to Teilhard's OPT, but this is not what anyone is asserting. Abierma3 (talk) 01:50, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

 * Basing my claims on evidence is hardly a bias. Clearly, this "refinement" theory would be more notable and referred in other papers if it were not a fringe theory. Fringe theories are not going to be referenced in most articles. Taking an example, how many biology papers on evolution would talk about then reject creationism? Since more papers than not have only pointed out similarities, the article should state it as such according to wikipedia policy, and balance all viewpoints. "It would be expected that a refinement of an idea would share similarities to the original idea." but the converse is not true is it? Smk65536 (talk) 08:03, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Your argument makes no sense. My source (highly reliable peer-reviewed academic journal) explicitly states that Kurzweil refined Teilhard's OPT. Your two sources point out the similarities between Kurzweil's Singularity and Teilhard's OPT. Do you not realize that this is overwhelming evidence that Kurzweil developed Teilhard's OPT? Your two sources support my argument; not only do we have a reliable source directly stating what I have been asserting, but we have two more sources that back up what I am asserting because it makes sense that a refined idea would have similarities to the original idea. You have provided no evidence that logically supports your belief that Kurzweil did not refine Teilhard's OPT. Also, your "example" is completely irrelevant, evolution and creationism are completely opposite, while you yourself keep pointing out the similarities between Kurzweil's Singularity and Teilhard's OPT. That makes it an apples to oranges comparison, and no one claims evolution is a development of creationism in the first place. Your last sentence doesn't make sense either, if a refined idea shares similarities to the original idea, doesn't that necessarily imply that the original idea shares similarities to the refined idea? What "converse" are you talking about? Abierma3 (talk) 08:29, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

 * I don't think a single academic article that hypothesizes a new theory really counts as "overwhelming evidence". So why not write down what each paper has said? This is what I attempted to do before and what wikipedia policy requires, to give balance to all viewpoints. My example is very relevant to support the fact that fringe theories are not going to be referenced in most academic papers. The converse to your statement is that "similarities to the original idea is a refinement of an idea", which is false. Smk65536 (talk) 14:32, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * How is this a fringe theory? It's not even an idea, it is a historical fact that could easily be verified by researchers and the peer-edit review team (and if it's as controversial as you say, it would have been verified). We aren't trying to prove the unprovable here. It is overwhelming evidence because we have a reliable academic journal that explicitly states it and your two sources that point out similarities between the two. Similarities to the original could be evidence that it is a refinement of an idea, so the statement is not always false all the time. This is why your "evidence" is insufficient, you need to provide a source that says Kurzweil did not refine it. Yes, Wikipedia policy calls for balance to all viewpoints, but as of right now, you have provided no source supporting your viewpoint that Kurzweil did not refine Teilhard's OPT. Like I have said, you are creating a contradiction where there is none to push your own viewpoint. Abierma3 (talk) 14:50, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

 * It is a fringe theory, otherwise as I have pointed out, other authors would refer to this, and if it were a "historical fact", most if not all would point it out, and there would be quite a few papers on this subject supporting this view directly. "you have provided no source supporting your viewpoint that Kurzweil did not refine Teilhard's OPT" But why would the majority not pick it up if it were not a fringe theory? So far the other 2 papers have only highlighted similarities. And this should be pointed out in the article. "and if it's as controversial as you say, it would have been verified" I have never said it was controversial, it is just the author's fringe view. Plenty of journal articles in science are not verified. My viewpoint is exactly what wikipedia policy dictates, and you are pushing for the removal of the academic papers of others, which have only pointed to similarities. Smk65536 (talk) 15:08, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

 * Speaking of which, I find it ridiculous that you think Ray Kurzweil has developed this theory when he hasn't even written it down (or even mentioned I think) in his books. Smk65536 (talk) 15:10, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Time Cube
A editor recently removed Time Cube from the "See Also" section. It has since been restored, but I would like to open the discussion to see if we have consensus to remove Time Cube from the article.

I went to http://timecube.com/ to see if they are indeed related, here are some quotes:

 * "The bible time was wrong then and it proved wrong today. This a major lie has so much evil feed from it's wrong. No man on Earth has no belly-button, it proves every believer on Earth a liar. Children will be blessed for Killing Of Educated Adults..."

 * "Bible A Lie & Word Is Lies."

 * "When  Do  Teenagers  Die? Adults Eat Teenagers Alive, No Record  Of  Their Death."

Time Cube itself is clearly not relevant to the content of this article. If it is only being included to show that religious beliefs are unprovable, I think it should be removed. Time Cube has no notability, and including a pseudoscience in an article on religious belief to show they are both unprovable seems like an extreme case of original research.

There would be better ways to convey the message that religious beliefs are unprovable, such as changing the lead to "...religious belief that theorizes the universe is evolving towards a maximum level of complexity and consciousness" or adding a section to discuss the scientific reception of the religious belief. Abierma3 (talk) 19:41, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Update: I went ahead and removed Time Cube. Wikipedia distinguishes between obvious pseudoscience, questionable science, and alternative theoretical formulations. Obvious pseudoscience consists of "theories which, while purporting to be scientific, are obviously bogus, such as Time Cube, may be so labeled and categorized as such without more." Questionable science consists of "theories which have a substantial following, such as psychoanalysis, but which some critics allege to be pseudoscience, may contain information to that effect, but generally should not be so characterized." Thus, including Time Cube as a part of this article unduly classifies Omega Point theory as obvious pseudoscience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abierma3 (talk • contribs) 02:10, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

 * Clearly time cube has enough notability to warrant a non-stub sized wikipedia article. "obvious pseudoscience, questionable science, and alternative theoretical formulations" is this argument relevant? It does not include religious beliefs. Time cube has it's religious aspects, "Ray refers to himself as being godlike with a superior intelligence". This article refers to "evolution of human intelligence" and becoming "transcendent". Both articles also deal with "metaphysical ideas". Smk65536 (talk) 14:54, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, that policy relevant because if you read the text I quoted, Wikipedia says Time Cube is obvious pseudoscience. Omega Point is not obvious pseudoscience. This means that associating Time Cube with this article unduly classifies Omega Point as obvious pseudoscience. Even if Time Cube has religious aspects, does this mean we should include Time Cube on every religious article in Wikipedia? Absolutely not. Then if the only reason you want to include Time Cube is because they both are "metaphysical ideas," why not just include the article in Category:Concepts in metaphysics? By your logic, we would also have to mention each of the 127 pages in Category:Concepts in metaphysics because they also deal with "metaphysical ideas." Abierma3 (talk) 15:42, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * TC is clearly irrelevant and should be removed, as it has been William M. Connolley (talk) 19:16, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Deletion of Quote
There is evidence of violation of the WP:3RR rule here. Whilst the quote might be right, there is no substantiate statement regarding why it has been added not to its relevance to the article. A substantiate statement needs to be made then referenced, not just quote a reference. (Else, we would be just adding quote statements without reason.) Quotes are fine, but they need to be properly asserted. Arianewiki1 (talk) 16:16, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

 * In further investigation, I note here there are no quotation marks, and absolutely nothing that states it is relevant to the article's title. Worse, the linked article on John G. Bennett mentions nothing about the Omega point at all. Even the link; Bennett, John G. The Dramatic Universe, Vol. 4, pp.130-131 is not even properly sourced. I.e. It was written in 1966, without Publisher or ISBN. The quote is also needlessly esoteric and isn't really relevant or related to the article. Abierma3 please elaborate how this statement is relevant, because its addition looks like personal theory to me. Arianewiki1 (talk) 16:32, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

 * Oh., and one other point. The Omega point article mentions Bennett's article "1965. Long Pilgrimage (2e ed. 1983) (The life and teaching of the Shivapuri Baba)", but the extracted quote is quote unrelated to the 1966 quoted reference. (I check this a third time, and it is still not relevant. Why is that? I do assume WP:GF, but it look possibly agenda drive here?) Arianewiki1 (talk) 16:39, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Bennett is asserting a critical view of the Omega Point in this quotation. The quote says, "The second alternative is preferred by Christian theologians such as de Chardin who seek to reconcile Christian faith with belief in mechanistic evolution." To not include Bennett in the article would be NPOV. It is a primary source, so including the entire direct quotation makes sense. If you're not satisfied with the citation, use the Full citation needed inline template instead of blanking the entire section. Abierma3 (talk) 18:12, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

 * Bennett is asserting a critical view of the Omega Point in this quotation - so you say. Actually, there is nothing to explicitly tie the quote to OP at all. Plus, why add *that* particular piece of crit? The real answer is that the OP is total bollox; adding just one piece of periphal crit implies we're taking it seriously, which is wrong William M. Connolley (talk) 18:20, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * The quote starts off by saying, "There is something suspicious in any view of history that makes one moment the culmination of the evolutionary process." Bennett doesn't use the term "Omega Point" directly, but he is clearly referring to similar concepts when he says "one moment the culmination of the evolutionary process." He mentions Teilhard by name in the same paragraph, making it certain that his criticisms are applicable to the Omega Point. "Total bollox" is your opinion. If you know of any other criticisms of Omega Point, please let us know so we can give proper weight to all viewpoints. Abierma3 (talk) 18:32, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Its you saying "clearly referring to"; not the text. He does mention de Chardin (after an ellipsis; I don't know how much text has been removed there) but says:
 * The commonly held view is that Creation means one of two things: [A] either complete or detailed fashioning by the Creator of the entire universe and every part of it; or else, [B] the launching of a process that, after its inception, is governed by laws without renewed Intervention, or at most Intervention of the very special kind in the Incarnation of God as Man. The second alternative is preferred by Christian theologians such as de Chardin
 * That bit is contrasting strong creationism with initial-creationism-then-evolution. That has nothing obvious to do with OP, and why he'd mention de C as an advocate of the latter rather than, say, the Pope I don't know. "Total bollox" is indeed my opinion; as usual, for drivel like this there isn't much mainstream crit, because who would bother? William M. Connolley (talk) 18:42, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you denying that Omega Point theory "makes one moment the culmination of the evolutionary process?" Also, Bennett says, "Christian theologians such as de Chardin who seek to reconcile Christian faith with belief in mechanistic evolution." He then says, "According to our view, neither of those is adequate." Are you denying that Omega Point theroy seeks "to reconcile Christian faith with belief in mechanistic evolution?" Abierma3 (talk) 19:03, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

 * Again. That isn't even relevant to the issue here, and it seems all your playing is just making obfuscation. Just pretending something says something when it doesn't even come close to validate the assertion is silly. Stop pushing the barrow please.Arianewiki1 (talk) 19:16, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

 * Oh dear. That's your answer of justification Abierma3! Bennett's quote is just UNRELATED to the article, and it is not been explained. (The additional lack of an even incorrect / wrong citation is evidence enough.) Also if it is so critical, as you say, why doesn't Bennett's words directly refer to the "Omega point" then? The quote is airy fairy, which has been manipulated to suit an argument not a useful statement of fact. Sorry, your placing you own point of view (as personal research) before justifying the quote's actual relevance. Arianewiki1 (talk) 18:43, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Evolution
Abierma3 you insist that this article has something to do with the scientific concept of evolution, but clearly it does not. "Omega Point must exist even before the universe's evolution" "evolution of human intelligence" this is comppletely meaningless. "Evolution is change in heritable traits of biological populations over successive generations". There is no such thing here. Smk65536 (talk) 12:33, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The scientific concept of evolution is the underlying driver that allows the universe to reach the maximum level of complexity in Omega Point theory. What do you mean by "completely meaningless?" I recommend reading Teilhard's The Phenomenon of Man: "Considered Pierre Teilhard de Chardina's 'Magnum Opus,' this book shows the convergence of the cosmos from simple elements to the complex nervous systems of human beings. Teilhard then argues that evolution has not stopped with the creation of human beings, but is now in the process of converging the human mass (like atoms and cells before them) into a higher complex arrangement, this time on a planetary scale. All along the way, this evolutionary process has revealed itself to be one that proceeds along an axis of complexity and consciousness." That is the book's summary, and notice the explanation based on evolution. Specifically, Book Two: Life thoroughly discusses evolution's relevance to OPT, please read. Clearly, evolution is essential for the Omega Point concept, and that considering The Phenomenon of Man was voted one of the "Best Spiritual Books of the Twentieth Century," there is certainly a relationship between science and religion here. For these reasons, the "Religion and Science" category is completely appropriate. Abierma3 (talk) 15:33, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

 * You have not addressed my concern what any of this has to do with "Evolution is change in heritable traits of biological populations over successive generations". How is "converging the human mass" "this time on a planetary scale" related to evolution? What is being inherited here, what traits? "the universe's evolution" is completely meaningless in the context of evolution as any such grand claim would have to make the evolutionary mechanism very explicit. Using scientific words without regard to their meaning is not science. Smk65536 (talk) 15:55, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * This is thoroughly discussed in The Phenomenon of Man Book Two: Life, please read.Abierma3 (talk) 16:08, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It is up to you to provide the evidence, not me to go through a book you point me to. Smk65536 (talk) 16:14, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, you seem to only consider part of that sentence, look at the full sentence: "Teilhard then argues that evolution has not stopped with the creation of human beings, but is now in the process of converging the human mass (like atoms and cells before them) into a higher complex arrangement, this time on a planetary scale." The biological evolution that lead to "the creation of human beings" is essential to the religious aspect of OPT, as Teilhard believes this evolution will not just stop with humans, but will continue on evolving until eventually reaching the complexity he associates with the Christian parousia. Abierma3 (talk) 16:15, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yet you still fail to address the concern of how this "religious evolution" is a part of the scientific process of evolution, i.e. what are the traits, what is inherited, what is the mechanism. Throwing the word around is not science. Niether is simply acknowledging human evolution good enough. Smk65536 (talk) 16:23, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

The universe as a whole is evolving towards a state of maximizing its entropy. At the same I've heard organisms described as "entropy pumps". Under this, my understanding is that evolution, which describes a localized population of organism taking energy in from the outside, amounts to an organization of sorts, and, thus, a reduction in entropy or, at least, a resistance to its increase. These two notions (for the universe and evolution) don't seem to me to fit with Omega Point theory. Isambard Kingdom (talk) 16:17, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree, whatever "evolution" this article is talking about does not appear to be the scientific one. Smk65536 (talk) 16:24, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Please find below quotes from The Phenomenon of Man's introduction by Sir Julian Huxley, "one of the twentieth century's leading evolutionary biologists." This should leave no doubt that biological evolution is relevant to Omega Point theory: I think the bolded part of the last quote speaks for itself and should leave no doubt on the matter, especially coming from a leading evolutionary biologist of the 20th century. Abierma3 (talk) 16:41, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * "He has effected a threefold synthesis—of the material and physical world with the world of mind and spirit; of the past with the future; and of variety with unity, the many with the one. He achieves this by examining every fact and every subject of his investigation sub specie evolutionis, with reference to its development in time and to its evolutionary position."
 * "His second and perhaps most fundamental point is the absolute necessity of adopting an evolutionary point of view."
 * "With this approach he is rightly and indeed inevitably driven to the conclusion that, since evolutionary phenomena (of course including the phenomenon known as man) are processes, they can never be evaluated or even adequately described solely or mainly in terms of their origins: they must be defined by their direction, their inherent possibilities (including of course also their limitations), and their deducible future trends."
 * "He usually uses convergence to denote the tendency of mankind, during its evolution, to superpose centripetal on centrifugal trends, so as to prevent centrifugal differentiation from leading to fragmentation, and eventually to incorporate the results of differentiation in an organised and unified pattern. Human convergence was first manifested on the genetic or biological level: after Homo sapiens began to differentiate into distinct races (or subspecies, in more scientific terminology) migration and inter-marriage prevented, the pioneers from going further, and led to increasing interbreeding between all human variants. As a result, man is the only successful type which has remained as a single interbreeding group or species, and has not radiated out into a number of biologically separated assemblages"
 * "Though many scientists may, as I do, find it impossible to follow him all the way in his gallant attempt to reconcile the supernatural elements in Christianity with the facts and implications of evolution, this in no way detracts from the positive value of his naturalistic general approach. "

 * Seems irrelevant. One person's attempt to understand the Bible and evolution. Not really about Omega Point as far as I can see. Isambard Kingdom (talk) 16:44, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * No, it is relevant. This "one person" was a leading evolutionary biologist, notable enough to have his own Wikipedia page, making him a credible source on what is and isn't scientific evolution. It is directly relevant to Omega Point, as he references it specifically per the quote "Teilhard, extrapolating from the past into the future, envisaged the process of human convergence as tending to a final state, which he called 'Omega Point,' as opposed to the Alpha of elementary material particles and their energies." Based on this evidence, Omega Point clearly belongs in the "Religion and Science" category. Abierma3 (talk) 16:51, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * "reconcile the supernatural elements in Christianity with the facts and implications of evolution" giving religious interpretations to facts of nature is not science at all, no more than beleiving in sun gods. The quotes alspo say nothing that this "omega point" religious belief is a part of the scientific process of evolution. Also, since apparently The Phenomenon of Man was introduced to the English-speaking world by Sir Julian Huxley, there is a certain bias here. Smk65536 (talk) 17:09, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The category is for articles with a relationship between religion and science. If is was supposed to be science alone with no relationship to religion, the category would be "Science" instead. A reconciliation of "supernatural elements in Christianity with the facts and implications of evolution" constitutes a relationship between religion and science. Abierma3 (talk) 17:18, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * On that one point I agree with you. Isambard Kingdom (talk) 17:22, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * But how does one know that this religious belief is indeed talking about evolution concretely rather than throwing words in the air? Julian Huxley is intimately tied to this religious belief, since he introduced it to the english speaking world, we can expect all sorts of bias. The examples I gave above are clearly unrelated to evolution.Smk65536 (talk) 18:09, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Independent of the beliefs and understanding of Abierma3 or Huxley or anybody else, and independent of whether or not OP even makes sense (which I doubt), OP is at least partly, according to some (Tipler), about religion and science. Of course, that is a very minor point. Isambard Kingdom (talk) 18:15, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't see how a leading evolutionary biologist pointing out "the facts and implications of evolution" in a religious theory is biased, as it doesn't matter whether he ultimately supports or criticizes the theory, just the mere fact that he acknowledges the theory has these facts and implications of evolution is sufficient for what we are discussing. I would disagree that he is "intimately tied" to the religious theory considering he states that he finds "it impossible to follow him all the way" and merely recognizes "the positive value of [Teilhard's] naturalistic general approach." It seems like a credible source on the matter to me. Abierma3 (talk) 18:43, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The fact that this appears in the introduction and that he introduced this religious belief to the english speaking world is more than enough evidence of his intimate ties. "it impossible to follow him all the way" could indicate his doubts on whether this religion is talking about evolution or not. Smk65536 (talk) 19:00, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * No, he makes it clear from the quotes I have provided that the theory is talking about evolution. Abierma3 (talk) 19:10, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * He makes it clear that he is not quite sure about how this religion is related to evolution. Smk65536 (talk) 19:15, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * How so? I have stated all the evidence needed for my argument, so please explain rather than simply deny. Abierma3 (talk) 19:35, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * "Though many scientists may, as I do, find it impossible to follow him all the way in his gallant attempt to reconcile the supernatural elements in Christianity with the facts and implications of evolution," This shows that the relationship is unclear to Sir Julian Huxley. It's surprising that even a promoter of the religion fails to follow it's arguments. Smk65536 (talk) 20:38, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Whether he ultimately supports or criticizes the theory is irrelevant. The fact that he acknowledges the theory takes the facts and implications of evolution and attempts to reconcile them with religion is what matters here. Abierma3 (talk) 08:16, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Please keep discussion focussed on this particular article on the Omega Point. Isambard Kingdom (talk) 08:23, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you are talking about. The entire section has been focused on whether or not the article belongs in the "Religion and Science" article. One editor refuses to believe that prominent scientists have acknowledged that Teilhard takes the facts and implications of scientific evolution and applies it to religion in his OPT, even when presented with direct evidence (direct quotes of a leading evolutionary biologist confirming). All discussion regarding this matter is relevant. Abierma3 (talk) 17:53, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I really don't believe what your saying Abierma3. Evolution and religion are two separate lines of study. A scientist might believe in religion and evolution, but that doesn't join the two. What you are seemingly doing is trying to establish scientific principles to justify / propagate some particular religious point of view. Based on reductionism alone, clear disproves some god, because evidence for the deity's existence is based on metaphysics and faith. This Omega point is a contrivance, that is neither well accepted not notable. Like the quote I deleted, the quote had absolutely nothing to do with the topic - except person theory by you that it was somehow obtusely linked. IMO, this whole article should be removed or joined into other philosophical pages. Much of your alleged 'importance' is actually what is irrelevant. Furthermore, the article does not really define 'Omega point' other than a fanciful twist, where the discussion here strays far from the article itself - which is Isambard Kingdom point. (From your general edit warring here, nonsensical replies and irrelevant responses, any WP:NPOV is impossible.) Arianewiki1 (talk) 18:20, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * This discussion is on whether or not the article belongs in the category "Religion and Science." I have provided evidence for why it does. I agree that evolution and religion are two separate lines of study, but Teilhard's OPT combines the two, thus forming a relationship between science and religion. Abierma3 (talk) 06:49, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Makes sense, dressing up this omega point religion with scientific jargon does not make this remotely relevant to science, any more than astrology or roman sun gods. Somehow Abierma3 believes that one of biggest promoters of this religion's words is to be taken as truth. The omega point related religions are "masterpieces of pseudoscience" after all. Smk65536 (talk) 09:17, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I have provided evidence that Omega Point takes the "facts and implications of evolution" and applies them to religion, so it is not just dressed up with "scientific jargon." The person that pointed this out was a leading evolutionary biologist, which means he is highly credible. Abierma3 (talk) 20:26, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You clearly are stating unsupported rubbish, probably justifying your own point of view and nothing by citations or the facts. By your discussions here, it is likely you are promoting and paralleling some of the fables of Intelligent Design - confusing the reader to promote a link between science and religion – where in reality, nothing exists. This page IMO should be headed towards rapid deletion. Arianewiki1 (talk) 01:21, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I have provided facts and sources, now if you are claiming one of the leading evolutionary biologists is "unsupported rubbish," do you have any credible sources that supports this? It seems you have provided a lot of opinion, but no sources. Abierma3 (talk) 05:44, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Don't make me laugh. The words of a leading promoter of the religion attempting to brainwash others with it? And your source is so conveniently placed in the religious book's introduction. It appears that we have a consensus on this issue now. On another note, I too support rapid deletion. Smk65536 (talk) 13:17, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * There is no consensus whatsoever for removing this category. I have yet to see a single sources from those that believe this article does not belong in the category "Religion and science." Abierma3 (talk) 20:27, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Article Evaluation
The article seems to have an over representation of the viewpoints and needs more information regarding the history of the topic. This article could benefit from an expansion of the background information regarding the history of the Omega Point and the originator Teilhard. It seems that each subsection only briefly scratches the surface of the subject described, then leaps to a new subsection without finishing the construction of the context, its validity, and presentation of all of the facts. Each scientific theory is presented in a single sentence or two, whereas the opportunity to explore these theories in depth and find their realistic relevance is unfulfilled. Also, beyond theory, there could be more of a focus on the scientific nature of the Omega Point and its origin in empirical evidence.
 * I'm not sure what you mean by empirical evidence; it's well-sourced that Tipler's Omega Point is pseudoscience. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 05:04, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Upon reading the rest of this talk section I am understanding that a major portion of the article is personal research and formulates a sort of perspective, or opinion, on the subject, which is anti-encyclopedic. Cacrotty (talk) 23:45, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't know what "personal research" means in this context, the content appears to me to be straightforwardly sourced. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 07:39, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, I completely re-edited the page to have encyclopedic content, so you evaluated my work, not the original wiki page I was speaking about. Since you are so interested in the maintenance of this page, maybe you can help me with the scientific evaluation section. I noticed you removed my information from Gribbin's book because you felt it was outdated. What is a better source for me to use for the scientific portion of this wiki page? Or if Scientific Evaluation is a bad section to add, what would be better?Cacrotty (talk) 15:49, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
 * As is already currently stated in the article, "'The Phenomenon of Man'... has been dissected by astrophysicists and cosmologists to be a theological or philosophical theory that cannot be scientifically proven." Between this and the statements about Tipler's work, I don't think there's much more to say about the scientific reception of the Omega Point. Even the accelerating expansion of the Universe appears to be something that only Tipler seems to care about; if we can't find any other sources on whether the Omega Point does or doesn't accord with modern astrophysical models such as the accelerating expansion of the Universe nor modern mainstream eternal inflation models, it probably means that nobody cares, which means that Wikipedia shouldn't care either.Rolf H Nelson (talk) 00:45, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree with the above poster. This article does not need a separate scientific evaluation/reception/criticism section. I do think it might help to expand on the sentence in Tipler's paragraph: "However, scientists such as Lawrence Krauss have stated that Tipler's reasoning is erroneous on multiple levels, possibly to the point of being nonsensical pseudoscience.[13][14][15]" If the article is saying scientists found the reasoning erroneous on multiple levels, it would be helpful to know what the "multiple levels" are. Abierma3 (talk) 17:20, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I added to the main article, Frank_J._Tipler, sourced to Shermer: "While much of the physics in Tipler's Omega Point work is correct, scientists resoundingly reject Tipler's claim that the laws of physics require a conscious observer in the future light-cone of every spacetime point. Scholars are also skeptical of Tipler's argument that if an immortal entity with advanced technology exists in the future, such a being would necessarily resemble the Judeo-Christian God". Rolf H Nelson (talk) 02:45, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Another artist(s) reference to Everything That Rises Must Converge
The band, Shriekback, and lead singer, Barry Andrews refers to the statement, “Everything that rises must converge,” in their song of the same name. The chorus also quotes the same. “And it's blue blue blue A colour and a surge Everything that rises must converge She says one day soon You and I will merge Everything that rises must converge.” 2605:8D80:641:646F:1120:3E57:AA0:ED20 (talk) 21:33, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

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Spider-Man, also known as Spider-Man: The Animated Series, is an American superhero animated television series based on the Marvel Comics superhero of the same name. The series aired on the Fox Kids Network from November 19, 1994, to January 31, 1998, for a total of five seasons comprising 65 episodes, and ran reruns on Toon Disney's Jetix block and on Disney XD. The series was produced by Marvel Films and animated by Tokyo Movie Shinsha.

The series finale was the first to introduce the "Spider-Verse" storyline, also known as the "Spider-Man Multiverse", which later inspired similar narratives in various Spider-Man comics, cartoons, and films in the early 21st century.

People magazine described the show as one of the best animated comic book adaptions of all time.

Synopsis
The series follows Peter Parker, a college student at Empire State University who struggles to balance his responsibilities as the costumed hero Spider-Man with the problems of his personal life. In addition to fighting crime, Peter must navigate his romantic affections for love interests Felicia Hardy and Mary Jane Watson; maintain his friendship with Harry Osborn; focus on his academic performance as Dr. Curt Connors' student; and help to support his Aunt May after the death of his Uncle Ben by working as a freelance photographer for the Daily Bugle. The Bugle is owned by loudmouth publisher J. Jonah Jameson, who often uses Peter's pictures of his alter-ego to discredit and carry out a smear campaign against Spider-Man. Peter's peers at ESU include football star Flash Thompson, popular barista Liz Allan, scientific genius Debra Whitman, and research rival Michael Morbius.

As Spider-Man, Peter faces various supervillains that threaten New York City, including criminal masterminds such as the Kingpin and the Hobgoblin, scientific mishaps like Doctor Octopus and the Green Goblin, and the extraterrestrial symbiotes Venom and Carnage. Spider-Man is occasionally aided in his fight against crime by other superheroes, including the X-Men, the Punisher, Blade, Doctor Strange, Daredevil, Iron Man, Captain America, and the Fantastic Four.

Adaptations
A large number of storylines and events from the comics are loosely adapted in the series, such as:

Season 1

 * The first episode, "Night of the Lizard", is loosely based on the comic story "Face-to-Face with... the Lizard!" from The Amazing Spider-Man #6 (November 1963).
 * The episode "The Spider Slayer" is loosely based on the comic story "Captured by J. Jonah Jameson!" from The Amazing Spider-Man #25 (June 1965), with the subplot of Flash Thompson dressing up as Spider-Man to scare Peter Parker being taken from "Marked for Destruction by Dr. Doom!" from The Amazing Spider-Man #5 (October 1963).
 * The episode "Return of the Spider Slayer" borrows elements from the comic books including the way Alistair Smythe treated Spider-Man and Jameson in a very similar way to how his father Spencer Smythe treated them in the comic story "24 Hours till Doomsday!" in The Amazing Spider-Man #192 (May 1979), the three spider slayers are from "Invasion of the Spider Slayers Part 5: Arachnophobia Too!" from The Amazing Spider-Man #372 (January 1993) and Mary Jane uses her famous line from her first comic appearance: "Face it, Tiger. You just hit the jackpot", in the comic story "The Birth of a Super-Hero!" from The Amazing Spider-Man #42 (November 1966).
 * The episode "Doctor Octopus: Armed and Dangerous" is loosely based on the comic story "Spider-Man Versus Doctor Octopus" from The Amazing Spider-Man #3 (July 1963).
 * The episode "The Menace of Mysterio" is loosely based on the comic story "The Menace of... Mysterio!" from The Amazing Spider-Man #13 (June 1964).
 * The episode "The Sting of the Scorpion" is based on the comic story "Spidey Strikes Back!" / "The Coming of the Scorpion! OR: Spidey Battles Scorpey!" in The Amazing Spider-Man #19-20 (December 1964-January 1965).
 * The episode "Kraven the Hunter" is loosely adapted from the comic story of the same name from The Amazing Spider-Man #15.
 * The dream sequence from the episode "The Alien Costume, Part One" where the symbiote and the Spider-Man costume fight over Peter Parker is adapted from the comic story "The Sinister Secret of Spider-Man's New Costume!" from The Amazing Spider-Man #258 (November 1984).
 * The end of the episode "The Alien Costume, Part Two" where Spider-Man uses the bell to get free from the symbiote is adapted from the comic story "'Til Death Do Us Part!" from Web of Spider-Man #1 (April 1985).
 * The beginning of the episode "The Alien Costume, Part Three" where Eddie Brock has a wall covered with newspaper clippings of Spider-Man and turns into Venom swearing vengeance on Spider-Man is adapted from the comic story "Chance Encounter" from The Amazing Spider-Man #298 (March 1988), while the scene where Eddie menaces Peter at Aunt May's home is adapted from the story "The Sand and the Fury" from The Amazing Spider-Man #317 (July 1989).
 * "The Hobgoblin" two-parter is loosely adapted from the comic stories "Secrets!" / "Confessions!" / "Endings!" from The Amazing Spider-Man #249-251 (February–April 1984).
 * The episode "Day of the Chameleon" is loosely adapted from the comic story "Spider-Man Vs. the Chameleon!" from The Amazing Spider-Man #1 (March 1963).

Season 2

 * The episode "The Insidious Six" "and "Battle of the Insidious Six" are both based on the comic story "The Sinister Six!" from The Amazing Spider-Man Annual #1 (October 1964).
 * In "Battle of the Insidious Six" the scene where Peter is unmasked by the Insidious Six, after Aunt May is kidnapped by them (but he manages to convince them that he is a fraud) is from the comic story "Unmasked By Doctor Octopus!" from Amazing Spider-Man #12 (May 1964) but instead of Aunt May, it's Betty Brant who is kidnapped by Doctor Octopus by himself.
 * The episode "Hydro-Man" is based on the comic story "The Coming of Hydroman!" from The Amazing Spider-Man #212 (January 1981).
 * The episodes "The Mutant Agenda" and "Mutants' Revenge" are based on Spider-Man: The Mutant Agenda #1-3 (March–May 1994).
 * The episodes "Morbius" and "Enter the Punisher" are both based on the comic stories "The Spider or the Man?" / "A Monster Called Morbius!" / "Vampire at Large!" from The Amazing Spider-Man #100-102 (September–November 1971). The Man-Spider plot is loosely adapted from "Fast Descent into Hell!" / "To Sacrifice My Soul..." from Marvel Fanfare #1-2 (March 1982 and May 1982).
 * "Enter the Punisher" is also based on the comic story "The Punisher Strikes Twice!" from The Amazing Spider-Man #129 (February 1974).
 * The episode "Tablet of Time" is based on the comic story "The Web Closes!" from The Amazing Spider-Man #73 (June 1969) with Smythe's robot originating from "Invasion of the Spider Slayers Part 4: One Clue Over The Cuckoo's Nest" from The Amazing Spider-Man #371 (December 1992).
 * The episode "Ravages of Time" is based on the comic stories "If This Be Bedlam!" / "Death Without Warning!" from The Amazing Spider-Man #74-75 (July- August 1969) and "Lifetheft Part One: The Wings of Age" / "Lifetheft Part Two: The Thief of Years" / "Lifetheft Part Three: The Sadness of Truth" from The Amazing Spider-Man #386-388 (February–April 1994).
 * The episode "Shriek of the Vulture" is based on the comic stories "Duel to the Death with the Vulture!" from The Amazing Spider-Man #2 (May 1963) and "The Wings of Age!" from The Amazing Spider-Man #386 (February 1994).
 * The episode "The Final Nightmare" is loosely based on "The Thief of Years" from The Amazing Spider-Man #387 (March 1994).

Season 3

 * The episode "Make a Wish" is based on the comic stories "Doc Ock Wins!" from The Amazing Spider-Man #55 (December 1967) and "The Kid Who Collects Spider-Man!" from The Amazing Spider-Man #248 (January 1984). A flashback to Spider-Man's origin is shown and is adapted from the comic story "Spider-Man!" from Amazing Fantasy #15.
 * The episode "Attack of the Octobot" is based on the comic stories "Disaster!" from The Amazing Spider-Man #56 (January 1968) and "The Kid Who Collects Spider-Man!" from The Amazing Spider-Man #248 (January 1984).
 * The episode "Rocket Racer" is based on the comic stories "The Fiend from the Fire!" from Amazing Spider-Man #172 (September 1977) and "The Rocket Racer's Back in Town!" / "...And Where the Big Wheel Stops, Nobody Knows!" from The Amazing Spider-Man #182-183 (July–August 1978).
 * The episode "The Ultimate Slayer" is loosely based on the comic story "Invasion of the Spider Slayers Part 6: The Bedlam Perspective" from The Amazing Spider-Man #373 (January 1993).
 * The episode "Tombstone" is loosely based on the comic stories "Grave Memory" from The Spectacular Spider-Man #139 and "Will!" from The Spectacular Spider-Man #142.
 * The episode "Venom Returns" is blended from several different comics including "Hearts and Powers" / "Gun From the Heart" from The Amazing Spider-Man #344-345 (February–March 1991) and "Toy Death!" from The Amazing Spider-Man #359 (February 1992).
 * The episode "Carnage" is loosely based on the comic stories "Savage Genesis" / "Savage Alliance" / "Savage Grace!" from "The Amazing Spider-Man" #361-363 (April–June 1992).
 * The episode "The Spot" is based on the comic story "True Confessions!" / "Spider on the Spot!" from Peter Parker, the Spectacular Spider-Man #98-99 (January–February 1985).
 * The episode "Goblin War!" is based on the comic story "The Goblin War" from The Amazing Spider-Man #312 (February 1989).
 * The episode "Turning Point" is based on the comic stories "How Green Was My Goblin!" from The Amazing Spider-Man #39 (August 1966) and "The Night Gwen Stacy Died" / "The Goblin's Last Stand!" from The Amazing Spider-Man #121-122 (June–July 1973).

Season 4

 * The episode "Guilty" is based on "Guilty!" / "Lock-Up" from The Spectacular Spider-Man #150-151 (May–June 1989) and "Crash Out!" from The Spectacular Spider-Man #155 (October 1989).
 * The episode "The Black Cat" is based on "Never Let the Black Cat Cross Your Path!" from The Amazing Spider-Man #194 (July 1979).
 * The episode "The Return of the Green Goblin" is based on "The Green Goblin Lives Again!" / "The Green Goblin Strikes!" from The Amazing Spider-Man #136-137 (September–October 1974).

Season 5

 * The episode "The Wedding" is loosely based on "The Wedding" from The Amazing Spider-Man Annual #21 (September 1987).
 * The "Six Forgotten Warriors" saga is loosely based on "The Parents of Peter Parker!" from The Amazing Spider-Man Annual #5 (November 1968) and "The Assassin-Nation Plot" storyline from The Amazing Spider-Man #320-325 (September 1989–November 1989).
 * The "Secret Wars" trilogy adapts the 1984 limited series Marvel Superheroes Secret Wars (May 1984–April 1985).
 * The "Spider Wars" duology adapts the second Clone Saga (October 1994–December 1996). John Semper would later claim that this arc inspired Dan Slott's "Spider-Verse" storyline.

Main voice cast

 * Christopher Daniel Barnes – Peter Parker / Spider-Man
 * Jennifer Hale – Felicia Hardy / Black Cat
 * Saratoga Ballantine – Mary Jane Watson
 * Edward Asner – J. Jonah Jameson
 * Rodney Saulsberry – Joseph "Robbie" Robertson
 * Linda Gary – May Parker (seasons 1–3)
 * Julie Bennett – May Parker (seasons 4–5)
 * Joseph Campanella – Dr. Curt Connors / Lizard
 * Gary Imhoff – Harry Osborn / Green Goblin
 * Neil Ross – Norman Osborn / Green Goblin
 * Roscoe Lee Browne – Wilson Fisk / Kingpin
 * Efrem Zimbalist Jr. – Dr. Otto Octavius / Doctor Octopus
 * Hank Azaria – Eddie Brock / Venom
 * Mark Hamill – Jason Philips / Hobgoblin
 * Joan Lee – Madame Web

Production
While Fox Kids' X-Men animated series was being produced by Saban, Spider-Man was produced by the newly formed Marvel Films Animation; it was the only series that in-house studio produced, but was animated by TMS-Kyokuchi Corporation. For many years, the series was the second longest-running Marvel show created, after X-Men, as well as the longest-running series based on Spider-Man (until Ultimate Spider-Man surpassed its record in 2015).

The show was significantly affected by censorship. In some episodes, realistic guns were depicted, but only in flashbacks, such as the showing of guns being fired during a flashback about the Punisher's origins where his wife was killed in the crossfire during a crime. Rules for the production of the show included no punching, throwing through glass, putting children in jeopardy or vampires as well as no usage of the word sinister. In November 2014 podcasts, Semper clarified that the show was not censored more than any other show at the time and that every time this has been brought up to him, he feels it has been blown out of proportion; Semper said that Marvel had no creative control on the TV series because Marvel at the time was in a tough time and close to bankruptcy. In addition, Semper stated that Stan Lee had influence on the show in the first thirteen episodes.

The series is currently owned and distributed by The Walt Disney Company (Marvel's parent company), which acquired all Fox Kids-related properties from News Corporation and Saban International in 2001.

Writing staff
Producer John Semper was the primary credited writer on the show, receiving some sort of writing credit (usually a story, co-story or co-writing credit) on 60 of the 65 produced episodes. He wrote 8 episodes solo; many of his story credits were actually adaptations of previously published comic book stories.

Mark Hoffmeier was a frequent contributor, receiving credits on 16 episodes, while Stan Berkowitz was credited on 9.

Many of the other series writers had previously worked on Batman: The Animated Series, including Brynne Stephens, Marv Wolfman, Gerry Conway, Marty Isenberg and Robert N. Skir, Len Wein, and Sean Catherine Derek.

Semper watched previous Spider-Man adaptations for inspiration, but he was not impressed by most of them. The only previous adaptation that impressed him was the live-action Japanese Spider-Man (1978), which he thought was a "great" show and "goofy fun". Japanese Spider-Man's giant mecha robot influenced the final multi-part parallel universe arc where Spider-Man's wealthy alter-ego has a robot.

Animation
To reproduce New York City's appearance, background illustrators undertook a large amount of visual research by using photo archives from above New York, particularly rooftops. Maps were consulted for references and buildings were faithfully reproduced.

The animation cels depicting Manhattan's Pan Am Building (recently renamed the MetLife Building) were scrapped after being complete because the California-based art staff learned the Midtown landmark had been given a new sign more than a year earlier.

The animation staff were directed to populate the city with cars and crowds on the street level. Semper believed that was one of the limitations of earlier Spider-Man animated projects.

Originally, Marvel Films planned to make the backgrounds completely CGI while Spider-Man swung around New York, yet due to budget constraints were forced to use traditional cel based animation while occasionally using CGI backgrounds by video game developer Kronos Digital Entertainment.

Reuse of animation became more common as the series progressed, which also included reuse of animation involving a character speaking (these scenes were sometimes slowed down in order to better match the actor's voice to the animation).

Music
Marvel outsourced the show's music to distributors Saban Entertainment, who were also responsible for the music in the concurrent X-Men cartoon airing on Fox Kids. The theme for the series was performed by Joe Perry of the hard rock band Aerosmith, although the song was written by Shuki Levy. Levy, Haim Saban and Udi Harpaz are credited as composers of the orchestral background score. The music was conducted with a live orchestra in Israel.

Awards
Writer and producer John Semper Jr. was nominated for an Annie Award in 1995 for Best Individual Achievement for Writing in the Field of Animation for the episode "Day of the Chameleon". Spider-Man was also nominated for one 1996 Image Award for Outstanding Animated/Live-Action/Dramatic Youth or Children's Series/Special.

Comics
Similarly to X-Men: The Animated Series, the series inspired a number of comic books. The first one was Spider-Man Adventures, published for 15 issues between December 1994 and February 1996, which loosely adapted the plot from the series' episodes. It was followed by Adventures of Spider-Man, a 12-issue series with original stories, published from April 1996 to March 1997.

Additionally, Marvel published a second series inspired by the animated series titled Spider-Man Magazine, that went on for 19 issues from March 1994 to March 1997. Two special issues were also published in 1995.

A tie-in series titled Marvel Adventures went on for 18 issues from April 1997 to September 1998.

Bibliography
 * Spider-Man Adventures (December 1994 to February 1996): the first 13 issues each adapted one episode from the first season, and the last two issues were original stories. Spider-Man Adventures #1–4 was later reprinted in Kellogg's Froot Loops Mini-Comics #1–4.
 * The Adventures of Spider-Man (April 1996 to March 1997): featuring new stories based on the series. Adventures of Spider-Man was later reprinted in Spectacular Spider-Man (UK Magazine) #11–21 from August 1996 to May 1997.
 * Marvel Adventures (April 1997 to September 1998): anthology featuring various animated versions of Marvel characters—Spider-Man only appeared sporadically.

Video games
A number of video games based on the series were also produced:
 * Spider-Man Cartoon Maker for the PC (1995)
 * Spider-Man (1995) for the Super NES and Genesis

Electronic versions of classic Spider-Man comics were released by Marvel that included narration by Christopher Daniel Barnes and featured animation and theme music from this series. Spider-Man novels inspired by selected episodes were also released. A wide variety of themed merchandise (lunch boxes, cereals, clothing, etc.) was produced. McDonald's produced a themed line of Happy Meal toys for the show.

Release availability
After the success of the Spider-Man films, the series began to air in reruns through its new owners, The Walt Disney Company.

This show had been shown streaming entirety on Disney+ service since November 12, 2019.

Region 1
A single VHS volume containing the "Hobgoblin" two-part episode was released on July 2, 1997 by 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment.

From November 1996 until October 1999, Telegenic Entertainment released ten VHS volumes of the series in Canada. They were compilations that featured episodes edited into 70–80, 90-100 minute movies based on the particular story arc. The releases were "The Venom Saga", "Revenge of the Goblins", "Spider-Slayer", "Insidious Six", "Mutant Agenda", "Tablet of Time", "Neogenic Nightmare", "Forgotten Warriors", "The Sins of the Fathers" and "Secret Ward". The tapes also contained bonus episodes of other Marvel cartoons.

From April 2002 until June 2005, Buena Vista Home Entertainment released several VHS and DVD compilations of the series. "The Ultimate Villain Showdown" contained episodes 2-5 of the "Sins of the Father" arc (Season 3) and special features such as a bonus episode from the 1967 series. "The Return of the Green Goblin" contains episodes 12-14 of the "Sins of the Father" arc and the first episode of the "Partners in Danger" arc (Season 4) with special features including the eighth episode of the arc, while the DVD also included a bonus episode from the 1967 series. "Daredevil vs. Spider-Man" contains episodes 6-9 of the "Sins of the Father" arc with special features including a 1967 series episode featuring Kingpin while the DVD has a bonus episode from the second season of Fantastic Four that guest stars Daredevil. "Spider-Man vs. Doc Ock" contained a Season One episode and episodes 2, 3 and 5 of the "Partners in Danger" arc, with a 1967 series episode as an extra. The final BVHE release - "Spider-Man: The Venom Saga", contains the three-part "The Alien Costume" saga from Season 1 and Episodes 10-11 of "The Sins of the Fathers".

A compilation release containing "The Ultimate Villain Showdown", "The Return of the Green Goblin" and "Daredevil vs. Spider-Man" was also released.

Region 2
Buena Vista Home Entertainment released the compilations on VHS and DVD in the United Kingdom and select other territories. While the main content was the same, they contained different bonus features from the North American release.

In April 2008, Liberation Entertainment secured the home media rights to select Marvel shows from Jetix Europe in select European territories, including Spider-Man. The company however shuttered their UK division at the end of October 2008, leaving releases of the show in limbo.

Clear Vision later took over rights in the UK, Sweden, and Germany and released the complete series in season sets. Season 1 on June 22, 2009, Season 2 on August 3, 2009, Season 3 on August 17, 2009, Season 4 on September 14, 2009 and Season 5 on October 19, 2009. The company followed this off with a complete series boxset released on November 11, 2011.

Other releases

 * A Canadian DVD containing three episodes from the "Mutant Agenda" episodes. This is a reissue of the 1997 Marvel-New World/Telegenic VHS release (and it was mastered from one of those VHS releases); as a "Bonus" two episodes from the 1990s Iron Man TV series are included, just like on the VHS release. There are no audio/subtitle selections.
 * Canadians also received another DVD release of the first season two-parter "The Hobgoblin". This was a re-release of the 1997 VHS release from Fox Video; the video quality of the episodes on the DVD is that of a VHS transfer. There are no bonus features or audio/subtitle selections on this DVD either.
 * A VCD release by Magnavision Home Video.
 * A boxed set of all the DVDs was released in Poland, simply entitled "Spider-Man: 5 DVD Set". The front of the box features the same graphics as "The Ultimate Villain Showdown". DVDs including random assortments of episodes were also distributed with various magazines, ranging from entire story arcs to two or three episodes per DVD.
 * Several two-episode DVDs were released by Marvel in 2002 prior to the acquisition by Disney.
 * 3 DVDs with 2 episodes each were released regionally for Serbia and Montenegro, Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Macedonia with Serbian, Croatian and Slovenian dubs on them in 2005.
 * The entire first season was available on Xbox Live and iTunes through Disney XD.
 * All five seasons are currently available for digital purchase on Vudu and Amazon.
 * The entire series was available on Disney+ but was subsequently removed. Later on May 2 it made its return to the service.
 * There were also unlicensed DVDs that had The Adventure Continues on them that contained two episodes from most of the movies that were released by Marvel Films/New World Entertainment. For example, one was Spider-Man - Blade the Vampire Hunter which contained two episodes which were "Blade, the Vampire Hunter" and "The Immortal Vampire", a two-part story episode from the second season, making it like a movie based on the toy line, Spider-Man: Vampire Wars.
 * In France, all episodes were released on DVD from local Editor TF1 video, but only with French tracks voices and no subtitles available.

Bootleg DVDs of the show have become popular among fans due to a lack of official DVD releases. The bootlegs feature all of the episodes but some of them have low video quality and watermarks. This is likely to change as the entire series becomes available in the UK. The series is currently the 9th most wanted unreleased DVD at TVShowsOnDVD.com.

Spider-Verse
The last two episodes of Spider-Man: The Animated Series, about multiple Spider-Man characters crossing dimensions to different universes, was the first Spider-Man story involving parallel universes. This inspired the Spider-Verse, which later appeared in various Spider-Man comics, cartoons and films in the early 21st century, with most notably the animated Spider-Verse feature films.

Spiritual successor and possible revival
On November 1, 2014 at the Comikaze Expo, where the show's 20th anniversary was celebrated, John Semper Jr. revealed that much of the cast and crew of Spider-Man, himself included, had agreed to reunite for a new crowdfunded series entitled "War of the Rocket Men". In addition, in late 2014, Semper Jr started a website (cartoonspiderman.com) that features behind-the-scenes content, podcasts about the show, a link to the Facebook page that Semper regularly posts on and more. In April 2016, Semper's YouTube account posted a video in which he revealed that he had written a short story following up on the series, detailing Peter finding Mary Jane with Madame Web's help in a Victorian Age setting, referring to the story as "an autobiographical fan-fiction" in which he reminisced on what it was like writing the last episodes of the series, as well as detailing how Peter and Mary Jane would have been reunited, adding one could think of it as "the lost episode of Spider-Man: The Animated Series". Semper explained that he would be releasing this as a perk on a crowd-funding campaign for "War of the Rocket Men". The video also featured the returning voices of Christopher Daniel Barnes and Sara Ballantine as Spider-Man/Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson respectively in an audio promo prologue entitled "Peter Finds Mary Jane".

After X-Men '97 was announced as a revival of the X-Men TV series by Marvel Studios for the streaming service Disney+, it marked a possibility that Spider-Man could be revived for Disney+ as well. In July 2022, Semper addressed this, stating that he would happily do it if he had the same creative freedom he had on the series: "I think, right now, they're doing an updated Spider-Man. They've done a number of [television] shows since mine and they're doing [Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man] right now, I don't think that the politics of the situation will allow for [Spider-Man: The Animated Series] to be revived. If they did revive it, I don't know if I'd get to be involved. I was in a very good position because I was really able to have a lot of creative control over that show after [season one]. I don't know if I'd ever have that situation again, so it would really make it a different kind of thing. I don't know if I'd get that on a Spider-Man revival given it's now a property that's owned by [Disney and Sony] and there’s a lot of politics involved, but hey, if someone wants to call me and say, 'Hey, we're gonna do more episodes and we're going to leave you alone', I'd be there in a heartbeat. —John Semper, showrunner of The Animated Series"

In February 2024, Sempers expressed interest that he would consider reviving the series on Disney+, if Marvel Studios Animation reaches out to him. Christopher Daniel Barnes also expressed interest in reprising his role as Spider-Man if asked. In March 2024, Brad Winderbaum later commented on the possibility of a revival for the series:

"We’re doing that right now. We’re in production on Daredevil: Born Again in New York, they’re shooting as we speak. I’m seeing text messages come up from set,' Winderbaum said. 'That’s probably the next show that is going to kind of revisit and revive a really strong, and one of my favorite pockets of our universe and our fandom. And… you never know, is the answer!

—Brad Winderbaum, head of Marvel Studios Animation" Spider-Man made a non-speaking cameo appearance in the X-Men '97 episode "Tolerance is Extinction - Part 1", being among the witnesses to the electromagnetic pulse (EMP) wave sent out across the world by Magneto. He appears again in the season finale, "Tolerance is Extinction - Part 3", this time as Peter Parker, as he, Mary Jane, and Flash watch Asteroid M hurdle towards Earth on a TV in the window of an electronics store. Series head writer Beau DeMayo later confirmed that the character is the same iteration from The Animated Series, and that he successfully rescued Mary Jane after the events of the series cliffhanger ending from season five. Christopher Daniel Barnes acknowledged the cameo, expressing interest in returning as Spider-Man in a potential revival, though no one has contacted him about it.

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