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Tempe12's inclusion on the Tempe,AZ page
Any simple Google search can explain why Tempe12 should not be omitted from the Tempe, Arizona page. Tempe12 is one of the staples of ASU, the Pac 10/Big 10 and is more well known around Tempe than even the U.S. Airways Center. With over 500,000 readers, Tempe12, a Tempe, AZ-homegrown business, is one of the strongest. Anyone who removes the mention of Tempe12 obviously is no resident of Tempe or Arizona.Davcarst 19:32, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Please familiarize yourself with WP:EL, WP:NOT, WP:SPAM, as well as WP:CIVIL regarding your assertion that "anyone who removes the mention of Tempe12 is obviously no resident of Tempe or Arizona" as these accusations are not only incorrect, but the fact that one's residency has no impact on the article what so ever. CASCADIA Howl/Trail 19:35, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Photo
The shot of "Downtown Tempe from the Air" listed on this article is badly out of date, the skyline has grown significantly. Could someone please update this picture?

 * Thank you for the suggestion. However, as Wikipedia is designed to be freely available source of content, we need someone to submit a better photo that is freely usable. It is difficult to get shots like this (it was taken from an airplane), so we are stuck until someone donates a better photo. -Nicktalk 23:02, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, it is difficult to get a picture from the air but perhaps it is better to get one from across the lake or of the cityscape on mill etc. After all, many other cities are represented by such a picture. How would I go about updating the picture assuming I can find a suitable replacement?

 * You should be able to do it fairly easily. First off, take a look at this page; it shows you how to edit pages and images on Wikipedia. More specifically, you will upload the file to Wikipedia (by clicking the "upload file" link in the menu to the left), then you will edit the Tempe article in the same way that you are editing this discussion page. All you should need to do is find the original file name as listed in the Tempe article, and replace it with the name of the file you uploaded. If you need help, you can leave messages here or contact me on my talk page. -Nicktalk 00:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I now live in Tempe, I'll try and get a better photo soon. Cascadia 04:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation
I was born and raised in Tempe, well before the Cardinals played in ASU stadium. I don't care if you claim to live here or claim to be from here - it's pronounced "temPEE." Calling it TEMpee marks you as someone who is not from Tempe and, indeed, not even from Arizona. Even people from Navajo, Flagstaff, Tucson and Tohono O'odham pronounce this word correctly as "temPEE." Citation = Wesbster's Dictionary: "\tem-'pē, chiefly by outsiders 'tem-pē\". There is no alternate pronunciation. Locals call it TEXas not texAS. That pronunciation is just flat wrong. So, for you outsiders, please don't impose any such incorrect pronunciation on temPEE.--Dudeman1st (talk) 19:34, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Regardless of which pronunciation y'all agree on, all versions of phonetic representation at the head of the article should agree. They currently conflict with each other. Please decide and correct the IPA and sounded-out transcriptions so they agree with one another, and with the consensus. --24.192.160.126 (talk) 22:43, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. Fixed in latest iteration, at least until some troll comes and changes it again. --Dudeman1st (talk) 20:12, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't know that the locals call it temPE any more often then TEMpe. I vote for simply listing the two major pronunciations and omitting the words about locals vs. outsiders. Anyone? Nick 21:52, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Having been a resident of Tempe for 20 some years I never heard anyone mispronounce or refer to Tempe by any other name. I vote to strike that sentence. --67.3.219.78 07:08, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Umm, I donlt think we should remove the pronunciation altogether, and I'm pretty sure when I visted about a year ago, I was told to say temPEE by at least two different people who live there. Nelson Ricardo 10:30, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

I live in Tempe, we pronounce it "temPEE". I've only rarely heard it pronounced differently, and only by tourists or people on out-of-state television shows.Brian8710 07:55, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

 * I live in Tempe also, as do many of my friends. Most of us pronounce it TEM-pe. Plus, a quick check of some dictionaries indicates the pronunciation as TEM-pe (both for the city itself and the Greek valley for which it is named). I'm not saying one is right and the other is wrong, but both pronunciations are used. -Nicktalk 19:15, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

 * But are you from the Valley metro area? I go to ASU and I can always tell who is from out of state because they pronounce Tempe incorrectly, putting the emphasis on the first syllable. No one I've met who's from here puts the emphasis on the first syllable. It seems like the native residents of an area should be able to decide the pronunciation of their home--see Buena Vista, VA. Erondites 1:15, 3 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erondites (talk • contribs)

 * >>Here's one for you. I lived in Tempe for 2/3 of my life (roughly) and guess what? Both pronunciations are correct. It depends on how they're used. TEM-pe is the more traditional pronunciation, though (as in "I'm from TEM-pe, Arizona"). Notice, though, that if someone asks you where you're from/where you live and you don't want to acknowledge Arizona (which is understandable considering the rest of the state is a virtual cesspool - especially down south), you can say Tem-PEE and it's still correct. Just, please, don't call it "Temple" like some ignorant outsider. 68.49.168.90 (talk) 20:14, 14 June 2008 (UTC)sundevil96 16:12, 14 June 2008 (EST)

M-W.com shows that both temPEE and, less often, TEMpe are used for the city in AZ. However, the Vale of TEMpe in Greece has no other variant. Of course the pronouciation of the Greek city was first, and this is most likely why 'outsiders' pronounce the AZ city TEMpe. But like many names and words (i.e. UK and USA pronounciations of schedule), the people using it often change the pronounciation, for a variety of reasons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.54.94.24 (talk) 22:26, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

 * I asked at the Tempe History Museum and 2 reference librarians at the Tempe Public Library, and all said TEM-pee was correct. One said the only time you'd ever pronounce it tem-PEE would be for contrastive stress when correcting an outsider who pronounced it TEM-pay. Local news has both tem-PEE and TEM-pee. Maybe it's a generational thing, but you certainly can't tell that someone's from out of town or out of state based on them stressing the 1st syllable. — kwami (talk) 22:53, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Sister Cities
Tempe only has 7 Sister Cities at the moment, but is looking to add more. Tempe would not have a sister city in America, as the point of the Sister City program is to connect people to other countries. So Minnesota is not a possibility for a Sister City for Tempe.Azarano 01:19, 5 April 2006 (UTC)Azarano, a tempe sister cities delegate

I took out the reference to a sister city in Iraq. It is not listed at the official site (http://interactive.tempe.gov/sister/cities.htm) and the only contact between the two cities has something to do with wheelchairs. Nm132123 15:47, 10 April 2006 (UTC)nm132123

No, the city in Iraq that is affiliated with Tempe Sister Cities isn't an exchange destination. Currently, the Tempe Sister Cities program is fundraising money for a flight there to deliver wheelchairs to needy people. Also, there is a possibility for an exchange destination in Sicily, in Italy, and also one in Thailand. Azarano 00:03, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Infobox
Wanted: infobox. Last seen: City of Phoenix Wikipedia Page. Reward: Self satisfaction.

In process of making one myself. Cascadia 19:45, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Photos
I'm considering taking some photos next week, including an updated skyline if I can manage it. Any other photos that might be of interest? Cascadia 19:01, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I do need suggestions no later than Tuesday, February 8th 6th, 2007. Thanks! CascadiaTALK | HISTORY 01:54, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Tempe Resources External Links
Hello, I added links to the external links section earlier that are valid munipicalresources for: » tourists » The Lesbian Gay Bisexual and Transgendered Communities » Wheelchair Accessible and Physically Impaired communities

These are valid, 3rd pary, non-profit resources specific to Tempe and resources for the communities listed. Why did you delete them? Josdyeager 05:37, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

 * First, per WP:EL, the External Links section is not to be a directory of links. Secondly, they all point to the same website, just different pages. If you want to keep the primary one, that would be fine. CascadiaTALK | HISTORY 13:09, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Scottsdale link in article intro
The upscale suburb of Scottsdale is immediately to the north of Tempe.

Does this line really need to be in the introduction of the article? If that is to be included, then why not say that the not-so-upscale suburb of Mesa is located immediately east and that the "ghetto-rific" suburb of Guadalupe immediately west?

I can agree that this information would be necessary in a geographical context, so that is why this information is already in the Geography section. But is there a reason this particular line is needed here?

Ixnayonthetimmay 21:26, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Naming of Hayden Butte
I have removed the unsourced claim that this geological feature was named after Carl Hayden. The name obviously refers to the Hayden family, but based on information such as this City of Tempe webpage it is not clear that the naming was to honor the long-term Senator or his father, Charles Hayden. --Allen3 talk 13:46, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Edits to intro
Just to explain the changes I made to the first paragraph:
 * I removed the Cardinals reference because they still have offices in Tempe, the date of "departure" contradicted info later in the article, and explaining those details in that paragraph would have been overly wordy;
 * I changed the US Airways thing to clarify that their HQ is in Tempe; and
 * I clarified the ASU part due to the university's recent, aggressive expansion of the non-Tempe campuses. Townlake (talk) 00:16, 15 June 2008

Invalid links
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Festivals needs updating
Below is the pasted section from the article dealing with festivals. Considering Tempe is home to a very large July 4th, New Year's Eve and Halloween party/festival, as well as Oktoberfest, Tempe Music Festival, Tempe Art Fair, ASU Homecoming, and who knows how many other large events, it is WP:POV to only list a small church festival and local block party as representations of Tempe's "festivals." (Not to mention a problem with WP:N. I've moved this section here until a more complete discussion and list of festivals is created. -Nicktalk 02:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Festivals

 * Hoodstock is an annual community event in Tempe, Arizona, begun in 2004. The brainchild of Moira Hyde, this block party takes place in the neighborhood or the "Hood" (as called by many of the younger residents) behind Our Lady of Mt. Carmel Catholic parish.  Hoodstock's main attraction is the live music of variety of local artists, among whom some are have international reputation, including Matt Maher and Dreamstate.  Other events include a bike parade, sidewalk art, lip sync, and a dessert contest. At any given time during Hoodstock there is a crowd of at least two hundred people.

 * The Hughes Acres Neighborhood Party is held every year on Memorial Day.

MicroAge
What is MicroAge72.201.13.174 (talk) 00:22, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

It is a IT solutions business72.201.13.174 (talk) 00:22, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

how do you know72.201.13.174 (talk) 00:22, 30 May 2014 (UTC) i read the website72.201.13.174 (talk) 00:22, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

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Missing from the Economy section is any mention of ASU Research Park and all of the organizations with a presence there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.56.188.194 (talk) 22:45, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Night photo

 * I was willing to keep it if zooming in yielded better results than its thumbnail. The thumbnail I could barely make out anything of note, certainly not a distinctive skyline. When I zoomed in I found all the problems I mentioned, and cumulatively they made inclusion a net negative for the file. Namely, out of focus, a greenish hue that seemed out of place, underexposed even for a nighttime photo. To that I would add poor composition, because as I said, I couldn't really make out recognizable patterns or landmarks in there. There are plenty of photos already, including some night ones. We do not take quality high-resolution photos with phone cameras, they are for snapshots. I appreciate your willingness to contribute properly-licensed content, but I feel it should also be presentable and add value to the project. Elizium23 (talk) 07:20, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

"Archiving A Talk Page"
Hi!, I was interested in adding to this page, and think it would benefit from a talk page archive, it seems the best way would be an archive bot, and looking around I found this which said to use "lowercase sigmabot III" for pages that are linked to in many other page, which I think this is (?). If anyone else is interested in this page or knows anything about bots, or both, for that matter, please chime in. All the best Trevey-On-Sea (talk) 22:32, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Government
“Tempe is in Arizona's 9th Congressional District, served by Representative Greg Stanton (D).”

This statement cannot be factual, I do not know the correct answer.

If Tempe is in the 9th District, then they are not represented by Rep. Stanton.

If Tempe is represented by Cong. Stanton, then Tempe is not in the 9th District.

I suspect, but do not know, Tempe is located in the 4th Arizona Congressional District and they are represented by Congressman Stanton. 2601:14C:8201:58F0:90E0:942A:94CD:740D (talk) 10:35, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

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Housing market
If I could attach pictures I would. But since I can't research more into how expensive this place is to live and really think of how many people are being screwed by the 2000 business owners to the towns now 8000 people. Median income is 32000 in 2022 and 31000 in 2000 housing price is averaged at 575k 9th in the state for most expensive a score of 116.2 on cost of living and yet the rent is to high for anyone to live here unless their wealthy or old the working class has no chance to survive. No excuse for such "money" to be in this town with no salaries to show for it. 2600:8800:B104:E300:F17A:FB13:342A:FC3A (talk) 06:04, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

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Igloolik

Igloolik (Inuktitut syllabics: ᐃᒡᓗᓕᒃ, Iglulik, ) is an Inuit hamlet in Foxe Basin, Qikiqtaaluk Region in Nunavut, northern Canada. Because its location on Igloolik Island is close to Melville Peninsula, it is often mistakenly thought to be on the peninsula. The name "Igloolik" means "there is a house here". It derives from meaning house or building, and refers to the sod houses that were originally in the area, not to snow igloos. In Inuktitut the residents are called Iglulingmiut (the suffix miut means "people of").

History
Information about the area's earliest inhabitants comes mainly from numerous archaeological sites on the island; some dating back more than 4,000 years. First contact with Europeans came when the British Royal Navy ships HMS Fury and HMS Hecla, under the command of Captain William Edward Parry, wintered in Igloolik in 1822.

The island was visited in 1867 and 1868 by the American explorer Charles Francis Hall in his search for survivors of the lost Franklin Expedition. In 1913, Alfred Tremblay, a French-Canadian prospector with Captain Joseph-Elzéar Bernier’s expedition to Pond Inlet, extended his mineral exploration overland to Igloolik, and in 1921 a member of Knud Rasmussen’a Fifth Thule Expedition visited the island.

The first permanent presence by southerners in Igloolik came with the establishment of a Roman Catholic Mission in the 1930s. By the end of the decade, the Hudson's Bay Company had also set up a post on the island.

Non-indigenous establishments, such as Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) stations, day schools, and clinics, were here before they came to be in surrounding communities. The Igloolik Research Centre focuses on documenting Inuit traditional knowledge and technology, as well as climatology and seismic data research.

Culture
Anthropologically, Iglulik Inuit are usually considered to be the Iglulingmiut, the Aivilingmiut, and the Tununirmiut, the Inuit from northern Baffin Island, on Southampton Island, and in the Melville Peninsula.

An ancient legend from the Igloolik area was adapted by Zacharias Kunuk into the award-winning Canadian film Atanarjuat: The Fast Runner in 2001. In 2004, Isuma produced the film The Journals of Knud Rasmussen which was released in September 2006 after premiering at the Toronto International Film Festival.

Igloolik is also the home-base of the only Inuit circus, Artcirq. This collective is active in video-making, music production and live circus show performances. Early in 2008, when temperatures in Igloolik were at -50 C, eight members of Artcirq went to Essakane north of Timbuktu, Mali, where temperatures were 40 C, to perform at the Festival au Désert. In February 2010, six members of Artcirq represented Nunavut in performances at the 2010 Olympic Winter Games in Vancouver, British Columbia.

In late 2007, the Igloolik Hunters and Trappers Organization (HTO) banned all forms of tourism (sport hunting, filming, photography, watching) related to the northern Foxe Basin walrus population for a period of two years. This ban was in response to an observed decrease in walrus. The Igloolik Inuit continued to harvest walrus while the tourism ban was in place.

In 2017, documentary film maker Alan Zweig released There Is a House Here, a documentary film about his visits to the community.

Demographics
In the 2021 Canadian census conducted by Statistics Canada, Igloolik had a population of 2,049 living in 394 of its 468 total private dwellings, a change of NaN% from its 2016 population of 1,744. With a land area of 104.86 km2, it had a population density of in 2021.

Environmental concerns
The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation interviewed people from the region in April 2008, about their concerns over plans to ship iron ore from the nearby Steensby Inlet on Baffin Island from the Baffinland Iron Mine. Jaypetee Palluq, an Igloolik resident who had been asked to serve on a Baffinland advisory committee, was concerned that the mine's operation would interfere with the traditional hunts for sea mammals, like walrus. He called on Baffinland to "find an alternate shipping route to the mine, regardless of the cost."

Paul Quassa, former mayor of Igloolik, also expressed concern, over the effect of freighters on the ice used by the walrus. He said the region was known for its highly prized aged, fermented walrus meat, a valuable export from the region.

On November 2, 2016, CBC News reported that residents were describing a hum or buzz, coming from deep within the Fury and Hecla Strait—near Steensby Inlet where Baffinland has one of its ports.

Paul Quassa, Igloolik's representative to the Legislative Assembly of Nunavut, said the hum had been disturbing the sea mammals community members rely on for food. The hum is very loud, so loud the complement of vessels transiting the straits can hear it transmitted through the hulls, without any electronic aids. The Royal Canadian Air Force sent a Lockheed CP-140 Aurora to the area but were unable to detect the noise or the source.

Climate
Igloolik has a polar climate (ET) with nine months averaging below 0 C. Winters are long and cold, with October being the snowiest month. Summers range from chilly to sometimes mild, with cold nights.

Broadband communications
The community has been served by the Qiniq network since 2005. Qiniq is a fixed wireless service to homes and businesses, connecting to the outside world via a satellite backbone. The Qiniq network is designed and operated by SSI Micro. In 2017, the network was upgraded to 4G LTE technology, and 2G-GSM for mobile voice.

Transportation
The community is served by the Igloolik Airport.

Notable people

 * Germaine Arnaktauyok (born 1946), artist
 * Levi Barnabas (born 1964), politician
 * Lori Idlout, Member of the Canadian Parliament for Nunavut
 * Northern Haze, rock band
 * Annabella Piugattuk (born 1982), actress
 * Paul Quassa, Premier of Nunavut (2017–2018)
 * Aua, spiritual leader
 * Kelly Fraser (1993–2019), singer-songwriter
 * Terry Uyarak, singer-songwriter

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Reference #47 for Bullhead City, AZ is incorrect. There isn't a CSN (College of Southern Nevada) campus in Laughlin, NV. The address for the supposed CSN campus, 3100 Needles Highway, Laughlin, NV is actually for Aldape's Market Place.-It's a convenience store that's open 24/7. I should know because I live in Laughlin and very close to Aldape's (I live 5 minutes away from the convenience store). The nearest community college around here is MCC (Mohave Community College in Bullhead City, AZ). Taravellal (talk) 14:28, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Grandma Arrested for Feeding People in Need
This looks like it's worth adding to the article. People need to know they aren't permitted to feed the homeless in the city park. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p0wFiPTlqE Rklawton (talk) 03:45, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

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How to edit this U.S. City Entry
Wondering how to edit this U.S. City Entry? The WikiProject U.S. Cities standards might help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rambot (talk • contribs) 03:33, July 28, 2003 (UTC)

 * I think its perfect as it is.
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Text moved to other article
I moved the news addition to the FLDS Church article. Please check it for factual accuracy. Tom Haws 15:42, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

Ironic statement
"There were 444 households out of which 83.1% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 85.8% were married couples living together,"

I stress the irony of this statement --bī-RŌ 06:44, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Link needed
Could someone please include this link to the ABC News Primetime that featured this city? The documentary aired on Feb 13, 2007."ABC News" Dcmetro 11:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)Dcmetro

FBI's most wanted
I'm curious as to why Jeff gets put on the FBI's most wanted. He "expelled" people? What kind of crime is that? Did he physically attack them or beat them with sticks or something? Or did he incite others to threaten them? How is this a federal crime? How does one man "give" another man's wives and children to someone else? I assume there are kidnapping or false imprisonment charges against him - but, in the history of Colorado City, his sudden appearance on the Most Wanted List seems to come out of nowhere. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kaimiikekamaila (talk • contribs).

It does not. He was wanted for child abuse, mostly - including ‘expelling’ teen boys by ordering their parents to drive them way out of town, dump them, and tell the boys not to come back.

The other types of abuse you will know about. The only wonder is, it took so long. Maybe the Feds were mindful of the fallout from the short creek raids in ‘53 and wanted to avoid bad publicity till their case was solid.

If so, it worked. Life plus twenty years. That’s it for old Jeffs. Incidentally, his former mansion in Hilsdale, just over the border, is now the ‘Dream Center’ - a refuge for teens and others escaping polygamist abuse. It is run by Jeffs’ 65th wife. They also help others out of substance abuse and being trafficked. 2601:647:6680:4450:18F4:737A:3D4E:770 (talk) 01:55, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Negative attitude towards the FLDS
This page is obviously written with a negative attitude towards the FLDS. Asides what you might think about them, the article should be neutral in theme. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.186.83.159 (talk) 02:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

 * No, that's good in this case as you can't make it neutral without fudging the truth. And they are scum. 72.154.144.180 (talk) 19:43, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I think it can be written neutrally rather than repeating opinions, insinuations, and inflections of a few that obviously having a raging hatred toward all of them (case in point, look at the above comment). You say they are scum; I live in the Southern Utah area and have now worked with so many of them and only see higher values at least attempted to be lived by them in a quiet, but consistent way and yet when articles like this are read, it seems so much is left out. Is Wikipedia supposed to be a reflection of actual knowledge, or just another piece of political/activist machinery? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.252.155.225 (talk) 18:57, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Whatever you think of the subject, there should be an effort to report in a neutral fashion. Expressions like ‘scum’ are not encyclopedic. They are a curious group. Extremely socially conservative in some ways, at odds with the mainstream enough to be labeled as ‘libertine’ in others. Extreme repression and extreme license - as some see it - are not often found in the same place. Some discussion of how this comes to be would help the article. 2601:647:6680:4450:18F4:737A:3D4E:770 (talk) 02:01, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Violation of copyright policy
I just removed the material added in this edit as a copyvio of this source. If readded, that material needs to be completely rewritten so that it is neither a direct quotation nor a close paraphrase. It's too long for permissible use under Non-free content (NFC) as a direct quote, so the attempt to just put it in quotation marks isn't enough to fix the problem. (Moreover, it's been rearranged and parts have been omitted without indication, which also violates NFC.) I have no objection to it going back in, just so long as it's not a copyright violation. Regards, TransporterMan  ( TALK ) 14:08, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Cooke et al v. Colorado City, Town of et al
Normally I wouldn't suggest adding a lawsuit to a city page as most the time they have nothing to do with the history of the town. After all if included every lawsuit against the New York or LA for falling on the sidewalk, the page would be huge.

However, I think this case against this town is unique. It was all about if the town is discriminatory against non-FLDS people and if the Town allows FLDS members access to city government property (i.e. police cameras). I think that perhaps this lawsuit has a place on this page. After all if the city government of New York started to discriminate against a particular religion, then it might be relevant.

Some Sources:

However, I wanted to know what others think before I put anything up.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 20:38, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

 * I think you have made a good case for including this information. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 15:31, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Caption for picture of girls
Currently this article has a picture of girls working on the side of a street in Colorado City. They appear to have full length, mono-color dresses common to FLDS (or possibly other fundamentalists). The caption reads "Young Mormon girls wearing primitive clothing and doing physical labor, 2014." I think this description could be improved upon. It brings to my mind primary-age LDS children wearing loin cloths while working the fields.

Forgive me if I sound nit-picky here, but I want to explain my reasoning before changing the caption. That way if others disagree, this is a place where we can hear each other out.

The word "Mormon" most often refers to LDS members, although it is applicable for others in the wider Latter Day Saint movement. Perhaps in this case "fundamentalist Mormon" or "FLDS" would be better, or just leave off the inferred religion altogether (although I'm sure they're FLDS). The word "young" is also unclear for me, as these girls are taller than their fences. Are they teenagers? The word "primitive" seems to cast judgment on their cultural fashions, and is certainly subjective. The phrase "physical labor" can be ambiguous, sometimes referring to heavy labor. These girls appear to be sweeping the sidewalk.

I propose something like "Girls working outside in traditional clothing, 2014." Thoughts? ——Rich jj (talk) 20:48, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

 * Hi. You should go to the description as provided by the author of the photograph, which is basically this caption. Although I do agree it can be improved upon, but with keeping the accuracy.  I wouldn't be adverse to: "Young LDS women in traditional clothing sweeping the sidewalk". Onel5969 (talk) 21:12, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

 * To differentiate between FLDS and LDS, how about this: "Young women in traditional FLDS clothing sweeping the sidewalk."" ——Rich jj (talk) 18:35, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

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Drastic population decrease
Is there any particular reason as to why the population decreased by 48% between 2010 and 2020? I've noted a similar question on the Hildale article. 86.41.202.106 (talk) 23:13, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

A lot of them dispersed to Texas and South Dakota, to avoid the heat on polygamy. I would be interested in what percent of the town is currently flds. 2601:647:6680:4450:18F4:737A:3D4E:770 (talk) 02:04, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

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I grew up in Desert Hills, Arizona, and it wasn't in Mojave County. I grew up in the area known as Desert Hills that's just south of New River in Maricopa County (right where Del Webb moved in--everything south of Desert Hills Drive is considered Desert Hills). There's a lot of local recognition of that place name; a lot of associations in New River will call themselves New River/Desert Hills to acknowledge that it includes both areas. A Web search for "new river desert hills" in quotes will back me up on this. I doubt that the census acknowledges the place, though. Is there a good way to handle this? --Darksasami 18:53, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

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Someone put in sarcastic commentary to the Rambo thing so I removed it. Also, I noticed that it says "r Cody Custer was born in Kingman" and I'm wondering what got edited out accidentally? Who is Cody Custer? Furthermore, who are Debbie Snelling and Lily Young? I tried looking them up on google and I really have no idea who these people are. It would be great if someone who DOES know who they are would add that information to the article... --24.121.236.166 (talk) 21:09, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

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 * Yeah, this is totally non-encyclopaedic at the time. Makes the whole town sound trivial to have claims to fame of "Jean Claude Van Damme got a speeding ticket outside this town 15 years ago once" or "a porn star got caught here once doing her thing, but wasn't prosecuted"!  Or, worst still, "k-tanna is a nickname the class of 2005 gave this town."  Even living down south, I still think any reference to a high school class as a political block in the news (HS sports, etc) makes everyone look sad.  --Mrcolj (talk) 12:09, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

 * I agree. I am removing the high school nicknames and the Van Damme speeding ticket.  The latter item is negative contentious material about a living person, so if anyone wants to add it back, a source must be provided per WP:BLP. Thanks, Baileypalblue (talk) 07:08, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

To the editors
Hello to the Editors,

My name is Fred Bennett and I own www.kingman-az.com. Kingmanlivinging.com has been replacing my links with theirs. Here is the first time at Kingman Arizona.

Revision as of 20:29, 3 December 2007

http://www.kingman-az.com/ Kingman-AZ.com - A Local Directory of Businesses, Community Info., Real Estate, Churches, Etc

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http://www.kingmanliving.com/ Kingman's Local Directory of Businesses, Community Info., Real Estate, Churches, Etc.

As you can see they even use very close to the same wording. I know that this is all petty B.S. but they really piss me off with it. I have emailed them and asked that they leave my links alone to no avail.

Fred2258 (talk) 14:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Response by KingmanLiving.com... Kingmanliving.com has been linked to this page for some time. It is the site by Kingman-az.com that is undo'ing links and causing this frustration. As you can see, both of these external links are just fine on this page, no need to remove either.  Also, someone keeps removing the mohavepolitics.com link.  This is a noncommercial site that includes information for kingman az politics and discussion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.101.192.123 (talk) 02:29, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks like we have a statement from each side. Welcome both of you to Wikipedia.  In an attempt at peace-making (please help me to make peace-making possible) I'd like to point out among of the pillars of Wikipedia society there is a request to assume good faith on the part of other editors.  In electronic communications, there are too many chances to misinterpret another person's actions when they meant nothing wrong.  Both of you may have an additional challenge since you've perceived a conflict over this - try to get past that and just do the right thing.  The other pillar of Wikipedia society that's relevant here is conflict of interest - just leave each other's links alone.  As long as your site provides relevant information about the area and isn't just an advertisement, it can be linked from Wikipedia.  After I reverted one of the edits, Fred2258 wrote me an e-mail explaining he intended to just add his own link back, but wasn't familiar with the undo feature and that probably unintentionally made this situation worse.  I wouldn't be surprised if similar misunderstandings happened on both sides, because that's how electronic communications can mess things up for all of us.  The exact cause doesn't matter for this discussion - we need to see a solution going forward.  So in the future, if you make a mistake, just 'fess up and all can be corrected, hopefully without hurting the feelings of others in your local community or the Wikipedia community.  The consequences for not getting along could be that other editors may eventually lean in favor of removing all your sites' links on the basis of self-advertising.  Then everyone loses because both your sites seem to have relevant info that Wikipedia is better off including. Ikluft (talk) 03:22, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you from KingmanLiving.com and we are in complete agreement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.101.192.123 (talk) 04:39, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Famous People?
I removed the paragraph stating that "mafia members live in Arizona". How could this possably be documented? Does anybody really care where they live?76.166.245.241 (talk) 19:13, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

"Future"?
This is a shameless puff-piece probably added by a realtor. It states that the population will increase (from 26,000 apparently) to 500,000 in the very near future making it the fastest growing area in Ariz. That may have been some realtors pipe dream in 2006 when this article (ref.4) was written.It in no way reflects the post melt-down reality. This section is not factual and should be removed.In fact I just removed it.76.166.245.241 (talk) 19:19, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

The new Mosque in Kingman is said to give the area a population and tourism boom. 500,000 is the low end estimate. --Arsaces (talk) 18:05, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

History
Section on the early history of the county is nonsense. Callville, as county seat? Wrong county. I will fix this when I can, unless someone else wants to do it. Asiaticus (talk) 18:52, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

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London Bridge
It is a popular misconception that London Bridge crosses the Colorado River. It actually crosses a canal. Rsduhamel 08:27, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

This is correct, and it is a man-made canal at that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.40.228.85 (talk) 03:49, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Why the redirect
Why the redirect from Lake Havasu City to Lake Havasu City, Arizona? Is there any other Lake Havasu City?
 * It's just to keep up with the styleONEder Boy (talk) 18:39, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Please correct population / land value confusion
The article currently reads: Property values have skyrocketed in recent years as has the city's population, which has now surpassed $200,000 and reaching as high as $400,000.

What does this mean? How can a city's population be measured in dollars? I think the sentence should read either:

Property values have skyrocketed in recent years as has the city's population, which has now surpassed 200,000 and is reaching as high as 400,000.

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The city's population has skyrocketed in recent years, as have property values, which now surpass $200,000 on average and reach as high as $400,000.

The reference has to be to property values, not population as the population is roughly 50000. I can attest that the property values are close to $400,000 on average. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.40.228.85 (talk) 03:48, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Lake Havasu City real estate trends and market conditions

Only one way in and out?
There is only one way in and out of Lake Havasu City: via Arizona Route 95

While it's true that Arizona Route 95 is the only highway connecting to LHC, one can enter from either the north or the south and exit to either the north or the south. "One way in and out" sounds like a city at the end of a highway rather than one along a highway. Perhaps "Only one highway serves Lake Havasu City"? Lee Choquette (talk) 01:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, Arizona Highway 95 runs from the North to the South through Lake Havasu City. Although, technically, one could reach it from another route directly from California by boat. Havasu Landing is the California city directly west of Lake Havasu City across the Colorado River (which at this location is Lake Havasu). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.40.228.85 (talk) 03:51, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Proposed move of LHC dab page
I've proposed moving LHC to LHC (disambiguation) to allow LHC to redirect to Large Hadron Collider with an appropriate transclusion. I'm notifying editors of each of the pages linked from the current dab page to help generate discussion from interested parties. The discussion can be found at Talk:LHC. -- Mark Chovain 01:11, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Merging The Shops at Lake Havasu mall page with the main Lake Havasu City page
I feel that the mall page should not be merged as it is a large page. A link could be put on the LHC page to direct you to the mall page, however no merging should be done. User:Fast Racer 11:31, 17 May 2008

History section
The History section on this page is lacking in history. Robert McCullough didn't build a town with the idea that "if you build it, they will come". He marketed it. He put ads in newspapers all over the country - flew people here in his airplanes for free to stay at his hotel for free to look at (and buy) land shown by his real estate agents. There is also nothing about the original use of the Site Six facility. I haven't lived in Havasu for many years, but I recommend that someone with access to the LHC History Museum (next to the Chamber of Commerce) do the research there and add to this section. I moved there shortly before the original Bridge dedication in 1971 and have some stories, but they're just personal memories from the past - I don't think they count as a Wikipedia reference.

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Shops under the london bridge
Should we put up a section about the english village, it's rise and it's current downfall. Since most shops now are closed due to the economy and now Lake Havasu City's oversized population. The population number should be updated if a newer value is available. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.117.148.12 (talk) 21:07, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Climate
Where is the 132 degree July record high coming from? The historical climate data at the link provided indicates the hottest Lake Havasu City ever got was 128 degrees on June 29, 1994. The highest for July was 126, recorded July 26, 1998. I don't doubt that 132 degree temperatures may have been achieved, but with the data not showing any temperatures above 128, any such readings would be unofficial. The table should be edited to reflect the official historical data at http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?az4761 68.2.107.144 (talk) 03:58, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Brain Eating Amoeba?
Stay out of the lake? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.241.2.38 (talk) 18:07, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

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This was chopped out by me: The former council leader Jacob Henry has been fighting hard to end the poverty of the people, which the two current council leaders refuse to do. Jacob Henry has a significant background record. He was a former police officer and prosecuter for the tribe. He was also employed at the Cibecue Community School, there he was coaching for various sports for the high school. He has given a lot to improve the lives of his people. Jacob Henry had run for the community school board presidency but was defeated by one vote. I don't have any dog in this fight; I just looked at the page for info. But this clearly isn't NPOV. --Kynn 09:07, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

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Hurricane Alicia

Hurricane Alicia was a small but powerful tropical cyclone that caused significant destruction in the Greater Houston area of Southeast Texas in August 1983. Although Alicia was a relatively small hurricane, its track over the rapidly growing metropolitan area contributed to its $3 billion damage toll, making it the costliest Atlantic hurricane at the time. Alicia spawned from a disturbance that originated from the tail-end of a cold front over the northern Gulf of Mexico in mid-August 1983. The cyclone was named on August 14 when it became a tropical storm, and the combination of weak steering currents and a conducive environment allowed Alicia to quickly intensify as it drifted slowly westward. On August 17, Alicia became a hurricane and continued to strengthen, topping out as a Category 3 major hurricane as it made landfall on the southwestern end of Galveston Island. Alicia's eye passed just west of Downtown Houston as the system accelerated northwestwards across East Texas; Alicia eventually weakened into a remnant area of low pressure over Oklahoma on August 20 before they were last noted on August 21 over eastern Nebraska.

Alicia was the first hurricane to make landfall on the United States since Hurricane Allen struck South Texas in August 1980 over three years prior, ending the longest period of the twentieth century without a landfalling hurricane on the U.S. coast. Alicia's approach precipitated the evacuation of 60–80 thousand people from coastal communities along the coasts of Southeast Texas and Louisiana. Along the coast, a 12 ft storm tide flooded communities, with the rough surf sinking several ships and resulting in three offshore fatalities. Most of the damage attributed to the storm was caused by strong winds estimated to have peaked at 130 mph (210 km/h) in southwestern Galveston Island. Alicia was the first major hurricane to form in the Gulf of Mexico since Hurricane Anita of 1977.

Widespread damage was wrought in Galveston and Houston, where thousands of homes were destroyed. In Downtown Houston, nearly all skyscrapers saw the loss of approximately half of lower-level windows, littering the urban streets with debris. Widespread power outages and flooding impacted much of Southeast Texas, with observed rainfall totals peaking at 9.95 in. In addition to the strong winds, rough surf, and heavy rain, Alicia also generated 22 tornadoes centered around the Houston–Galveston area; most were rated F0, but the strongest, an F2, tore through Corsicana further north.

The impacts of Alicia tapered inland past the point of landfall, though the weakening system still produced damaging winds and flooding in the Dallas–Fort Worth metroplex and Oklahoma; light rain associated with Alicia was observed as far north as Michigan. In total, Alicia caused 21 fatalities and 7,288 injuries.

Meteorological history
The origin of Hurricane Alicia can be traced to a frontal boundary that extended from New England to the Gulf of Mexico. This weak front was initially stationary over the Southeastern United States but moved slowly southward into the north-central and northeastern fringes of the gulf, producing strong convective activity beginning on the night of August 13, 1983. On August 14, a small area of low pressure developed on the western end of the front and moved off the coasts of Mississippi and Alabama, intensifying as it progressed further into the open gulf waters. The thunderstorms associated with the small low-pressure area—described as a mesoscale convective complex—aided in the development of additional storms in the northern Gulf of Mexico by facilitating favorable conditions for convective initiation. By the evening of August 14, the disturbance had largely separated from the parent frontal trough and continued to organize around a surface-level circulation. A United States Air Force reconnaissance aircraft investigated the precursor system and determined that it had developed into a tropical depression at 12:00 UTC (7:00 a.m. CDT) on August 15 while 160 mi south of New Orleans, Louisiana. Within six hours of developing, the disturbance intensified further into a tropical storm, attaining the name Alicia and becoming the hurricane season's first named storm. Due to Alicia's formation in a region with high environmental pressures, the storm remained relatively small throughout its lifetime. The presence of a ridge of high pressure to Alicia's north steered the nascent tropical cyclone slowly westward in the early part of its development. The ridge eventually drifted eastward, resulting in Alicia slowly curving towards the northwest beginning mid-day on August 16.

The storm's slow movement—averaging just 5 mph (8 km/h)—and lack of strong steering currents allowed Alicia to reap highly favorable conditions characterized by warm sea surface temperatures in excess of 84 F and favorable winds in the upper troposphere due to an upper-level anticyclone, resulting in unabated intensification until landfall. Radar analyses indicated that Alicia was stationary at times as it transitioned to a northwesterly heading. An eye began to emerge on satellite imagery by the afternoon of August 16. On August 17, Alicia strengthened into a hurricane with its pressure falling at a steady 1 mbar (hPa; 0.03 inHg) per hour. At 06:00 UTC (1:00 a.m. CDT) on August 18, Alicia became a major hurricane and made landfall an hour later on Galveston Island—25 mi southwest of Galveston, Texas—with maximum sustained winds of 115 mph (185 km/h) and a minimum barometric pressure of 962 mbar (hPa; 28.41 inHg) as measured by aircraft reconnaissance, making it a low-end Category 3 on the Saffir–Simpson hurricane wind scale. Alicia was the first hurricane to strike the continental United States since Hurricane Allen moved ashore South Texas in August 1980, ending the longest break in contiguous U.S. hurricane landfalls of the 20th century. The hurricane was also the first major hurricane to impact the Greater Houston area since Hurricane Carla in 1961.

Alicia weakened as it accelerated northwest into the Texas interior, with the hurricane's center passing just west of Downtown Houston on the morning of August 18 as a Category 1 hurricane; the storm was initially slow to weaken as it was able to rein in moist air from the warm Gulf of Mexico. Later that day, the continued inhibitory impacts of friction and dry air weakened Alicia to a tropical storm near College Station, Texas, and degenerated into a tropical depression early on August 19 near the Dallas–Fort Worth metroplex. Despite having remained over land for 36 hours, Alicia remained well-organized while tracking into Oklahoma on August 20. The tapering system transitioned into an extratropical cyclone later that day; these remnants persisted for another day before they were absorbed by a passing trough over eastern Nebraska on August 21.

Preparations
Hurricane Alicia marked the first time the National Weather Service provided local interests with landfall probabilities, beginning 60 hours before Alicia's eventual landfall. The new information was generally well received by local officials, though a slight uptick in landfall probabilities for the New Orleans area was interpreted by a local radio station to have denoted a change in Alicia's course, resulting in the unnecessary transition of two local hospitals to emergency operations. The first gale warnings and hurricane watches were issued for the United States Gulf Coast between Corpus Christi, Texas and Grand Isle, Louisiana at 16:00 UTC (11:00 a.m. CDT) on August 16. Coastal areas from Corpus Christi, Texas, to Morgan City, Louisiana were issued hurricane warnings shortly after Alicia intensified into a hurricane on August 17; these warnings remained until the storm weakened into a tropical storm over East Texas. The National Weather Service office in Galveston suspended operations after water began to flood the office at the height of the storm.

Between 60 and 80 thousand people were evacuated from Brazoria, Chambers, Galveston, and Harris counties in advance of Alicia, as well as 1,500 persons from Sabine Pass. Twenty thousand people sought refuge at shelters within Houston. Another 6,000 evacuated from Cameron Parish, Louisiana. Offshore oil operations were postponed in preparation for Alicia with the evacuation of 1,360 workers, most of whom were from Shell platforms. Initially, however, residents did not take the warnings seriously. Galveston Mayor E. Gus Manuel, against the advice of Texas Governor Mark White, ordered the evacuation of only low-lying areas. As a result, only 10 percent of the population living behind the seawall chose to leave when Alicia came ashore. In contrast, about 30 percent of Galveston's population evacuated the island when Hurricane Allen threatened the eastern Texas coastline in 1980. Throughout the day, however, as the increasing winds began to cause damage in Galveston, people grew more concerned. The mayor finally ordered a widespread evacuation of the island after midnight on August 18, but by then, the bridges to the mainland were uncrossable.

Impact
Hurricane Alicia caused US$3 billion in damage, making it the costliest tropical cyclone in U.S. history at the time; insured losses were estimated at US$700 million by the American Insurance Association. There were 7,288 injuries, including 21 fatalities and 25 hospitalizations. Despite being a relatively small and low-end Category 3 hurricane, the impacts of Alicia were exacerbated in the Houston metropolitan area due to a rapid increase in population, resulting in a rise in potentially susceptible infrastructure that also induced as much as 10 ft in land subsidence along some stretches of Galveston Bay.

Houston and Galveston areas
Alicia produced a 12 ft storm tide that crested along the interior coast of Galveston Bay near Baytown, Texas. A 300-home subdivision near Baytown sustained extensive damage to most dwellings. Seabrook, Texas also documented a 12 ft storm tide, with slightly lower tide heights of 7.5 ft occurring at the Flagship Hotel in Galveston. The rough surf eroded as much as 250 ft of beach in western parts of Galveston Island. A recently constructed levee system protecting Texas City mitigated potential storm surge damage to the city's extensive industrial infrastructure. However, an oil spill resulting from a ruptured tank near Galveston Bay swept through areas near the Texas City Dike. A tug capsized 50 mi south of Sabine Pass, resulting in one death and the eventual rescue of four crewmembers five days later. Another two deaths resulted from the sinking of two shrimp boats in the Clear Lake, Texas area. In total, about 400 shrimp boats sustained some form of damage or sunk, resulting in $7 million in losses. Major damage was wrought to 80 other large vessels.

A 60 - 70 mi stretch of the Texas coast experienced hurricane-force winds. The strongest gust was reported in Galveston where a 102 mph (164 km/h) gust was recorded near landfall, though stronger gusts likely occurred over more sparsely populated coastal areas; no surface observations were documented along southwestern Galveston Island where Alicia made landfall. Analysis of structural damage suggested that gusts as high as 130 mph (210 km/h) were produced by Alicia over land. Nearly every structure in Galveston County, Texas sustained varying degrees of damage from torn roofing to total destruction with the most severe damage occurring in western parts of the county. Telecommunications and power on Galveston Island were downed for several days. The walls of some hotels collapsed and numerous windows facing the wind were blown out. Storm surge damaged most buildings in Jamaica Beach, Texas, with 50 homes sustaining major damage. Heavy rains nearing 8 in totals on the island caused street flooding and destroyed a mobile home community. Significant wind damage occurred on the inland portions of Galveston County, including damage to schools, apartment complexes, and mobile homes. In League City, Texas, damage was estimated at $100 million, largely stemming from roof damage.

Seven people were killed in Harris County, Texas as a result of fallen trees, drownings, or automobile crashes. Another 1,530 people were injured. At Houston's William P. Hobby Airport, sustained winds peaked at 81 mph (130 km/h) with gusts to 99 mph (159 km/h). The airport sustained $1.5 million in damage, including damage to several small aircraft, hangars, metal structures, and airport windows. Tropical storm-force winds of 51 mph gusting to 78 mph at the Houston Intercontinental Airport; there, two terminal roofs experienced minor damage and one airplane broke from its ties. Fifty cars on site suffered shattered windows. Skyscrapers in Downtown Houston suffered extensive damage from wind-blown debris accelerated by the narrow spaces between buildings. The lower 40 floors of most skyscrapers were shattered by wind-blown gravel. Similar debris or water blocked over 20 major roads; flooding caused by the widespread 5 – rainfall was most severe in Baytown, Clear Lake, and Pasadena in the eastern part of Harris County, necessitating the rescue of roughly 300 people. Thirty of these rescues arose from a single subdivision in Baytown where inundation reached a depth of 10 ft. In these communities, hundreds of homes were flooded. Ninety percent of homes were damaged in Crystal Beach, Texas, of which half were destroyed. Alicia also caused $4.5 million in cotton losses and $6 million in pecan crop losses in Harris County. Total damage to public property in the county was estimated at $46 million. Johnson Space Center escaped significant damage, though 200 nearby trees were toppled by the strong winds and a few facility doors and windows were damaged.

Elsewhere in Texas
Relatively less severe damage along the Texas coast between High Island, Texas and Sabine Pass, Texas where structures generally sustained roof and window damage but most remained intact. Coastal roads were flooded by storm surge and numerous power lines were downed. In Chambers County, Texas, Alicia caused $24 million in damage and the loss of 30–50 percent of the county's rice and soybean crops. More than 200 homes were flooded, forcing residents into shelters. Damage was significant on the southern end of Bay City, Texas, where several homes were destroyed. Heavy rains from Alicia caused localized flooding in Southeastern Texas under a wide swath of ≥5 in rainfall. The highest rainfall totals were largely east of the hurricane's center with a secondary maximum farther east along the Texas–Louisiana border near Orange, Texas. The highest measured rainfall total occurred at Greens Bayou, where 9.95 in of rain fell. The Pine Island Bayou in Hardin County, Texas overflowed its banks and adjacent areas remained inundated for a week after 3 – of rain fell across the county. Floodwaters blocked roads in Jefferson County where Cow Bayou and the Neches River overflowed their banks. Widespread power outages also impacted the county, affecting over 10,000 homes in the Port Arthur and Sabine Pass areas. Similar effects were felt in nearby Liberty County where crop damage from the heavy rains and winds amounted to near $10 million

In eastern Brazoria County, Texas, strong winds caused widespread damage to roofs, mobile homes, and automobiles. Damage was also wrought to several aircraft at the Texas Gulf Coast Regional Airport in Freeport, Texas; damage in the city totaled $1 million. Sixty-five percent of structures were damaged in Danbury, Texas. Extensive power outages affected Fort Bend County, Texas. Damage in Matagorda was mostly caused by tidal flooding and winds; 4,500 residents evacuated after the storm surge flooded low-lying areas, forcing the closure of two drawbridges crossing the Intracoastal Waterway connecting the mainland to the Matagorda Peninsula. Wind-induced rice crop damage was estimated at $3.5 million. Elsewhere in East Texas, Alicia's strong winds and heavy rains blocked power and water supplies in several cities. Two people were killed in Montgomery County due to fallen trees.

The hurricane also produced 22 tornadoes across Texas, associated primarily with a single strong outer rainband northeast of Alicia's center; the majority were brief and weak F0 tornadoes that caused negligible damage. One F1 tornado in Harris County damage two businesses near the intersection of Interstate 45 and Texas State Highway NASA Road 1. The strongest tornado was an F2 tornado in Corsicana that was responsible for a significant proportion of the damage toll in North Texas. The tornado touched down in the morning of August 18 in the western extents of Corsicana and lasted for five minutes on a 3 mi track, damaging several buildings including homes, a church, and a horse arena. In addition to the F2 tornado, the weakening Alicia produced strong winds in North Texas. In Panola County, these winds destroyed outbuildings and downed powerlines and trees in addition to damaging roofs. The weakening storm brought strong thunderstorms over the Dallas–Fort Worth area, bringing gusts estimated between 80 – and causing structural damage throughout the metropolitan area. Some condominiums under construction were destroyed by the winds and trees and powerlines were downed in Keller, Texas and Grapevine, Texas. A freeway sign was dislodged and fell upon two 18-wheeler trucks in Dallas, killing the driver of one truck and seriously injuring the driver of the other truck. Creeks swelled following heavy rains, with a local maximum of 7.48 in near Mexia, Texas. A ten-year-old boy died after they were swept away by a rapidly flowing current.

Elsewhere
Negligible impacts were felt in Louisiana from Alicia's storm surge. Near El Reno, Oklahoma, 4 – of rain fell within a 5-hour period, resulting in significant flooding west of the town. Similar rainfall rates flooded several buildings at the University of Oklahoma.

Aftermath
The Red Cross provided food and shelter to 63,000 people in the hurricane's wake, costing about $166 million (1983 USD; $ USD). FEMA gave out $32 million (1983 USD; $ USD) to Alicia's victims and local governments; $23 million (1983 USD; $  USD) of that was for picking up debris spread after the storm. More than 16,000 people sought help from FEMA's disaster service centers. The Small Business Administration, aided with 56 volunteers, interviewed over 16,000 victims, and it was predicted that about 7,000 loan applications would be submitted. The Federal Insurance Agency had closed over 1,318 flood insurance cases from Alicia's aftermath, however only 782 received final payment.

On September 23 and September 24, 1983, in the wake of Alicia, two subcommittees of the U.S. House of Representatives held hearings in Houston. The hearing on September 23 were to examine the primary issues of the NWS during Alicia, the effectiveness of the NWS in current procedures, and the use of the NWS. The second hearing, which occurred on September 24, was to discuss the damage and recovery efforts during Alicia. During the September 23 hearing, witnesses agreed that the NWS did well before and during the emergency caused by Alicia. NWS forecasters also testified in which they said they gratified themselves that their predictions were well "on target" and that the local emergency plans had worked so well, which saved many lives. Mayor Gus Manuel on Galveston claimed that the NWS did an excellent job during Alicia. He was also very impressed about their landfall predictions on August 17. During the September 24 hearing, evidence was presented which demonstrated the need for improving readiness to cope with disasters, such as Alicia. Mayor Manuel mentioned that his town needed stronger building codes, which were under review.

Due to the severe damage caused by the hurricane, the name "Alicia" was retired in the spring of 1984 by the World Meteorological Organization, and will never be used again for another Atlantic tropical system. It was replaced with "Allison" for the 1989 season.

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Resource-based relative value scale

Resource-based relative value scale (RBRVS) is a schema used to determine how much money medical providers should be paid. It is partially used by Medicare in the United States and by nearly all health maintenance organizations (HMOs).

RBRVS assigns procedures performed by a physician or other medical provider a relative value which is adjusted by geographic region (so a procedure performed in Manhattan is worth more than a procedure performed in Dallas). This value is then multiplied by a fixed conversion factor, which changes annually, to determine the amount of payment.

RBRVS determines prices based on three separate factors: physician work (54%), practice expense (41%), and malpractice expense (5%).

The procedure codes and their associated RVUs are made publicly available by CMS as the Physician Fee Schedule.

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For example, in 2005, a generic 99213 Current Procedural Terminology (CPT) code was worth 1.39 Relative Value Units, or RVUs. Adjusted for North Jersey, it was worth 1.57 RVUs. Using the 2005 Conversion Factor of $37.90, Medicare paid 1.57 * $37.90 for each 99213 performed, or $59.50. Most specialties charge 200–400% of Medicare rates for their procedures and collect between 50 and 80% of those charges, after contractual adjustments and write-offs.

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 * Paying based on effort rather than effect skews incentives, leading to overuse of complicated procedures without consideration for outcomes. Contrast with Payment by Results (PbR), which is based on outcomes.
 * According to this critique, RBRVS misaligns incentives: because the medical value to the patient of a service is not included in how much is paid for the service, there is no financial incentive to help the patient, nor to minimize costs. Rather, payment is partly based on difficulty of the service (the "physician work" component), and thus a profit-maximizing physician is incentivized to provide maximally complicated services, with no consideration for effectiveness.
 * One effect attributed to RBRVS is a lack of primary care physicians (PCPs) at the expense of specialists – because specialist services require more effort and specialized training, they are paid more highly, incentivizing physicians to specialize, leading to a lack of PCPs.
 * The Specialty Society Relative Value Scale Update Committee (RUC) is largely privately run, an example of regulatory capture.
 * RUC meetings can be attended by submitting a request in advance.
 * The data are effectively copyrighted by the AMA, but its use is required by statute.
 * Although the RBRVS system is mandated by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) and the data for it appears in the Federal Register, the American Medical Association (AMA) maintains that their copyright of the CPT allows them to charge a license fee to anyone who wishes to associate RVU values with CPT codes. The AMA receives approximately $70 million annually from these fees, making them reluctant to allow the free distribution of tools and data that might help physicians calculate their fees accurately and fairly.

History
RBRVS was created at Harvard University in their national RBRVS study from December 1985 and published in JAMA on September 29, 1988. William Hsiao was the principal investigator who organized a multi-disciplinary team of researchers, which included statisticians, physicians, economists and measurement specialists, to develop the RBRVS.

In 1988 the results were submitted to the Health Care Financing Administration (today CMS) to be used in the American Medicare system. In December of the following year, President George H. W. Bush signed into law the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1989, switching Medicare to an RBRVS payment schedule. This took effect on January 1, 1992. Starting in 1991, the AMA has updated RBRVS continually. As of May 2003, over 3500 corrections have been submitted to CMS.

Committees
Physicians bill their services using procedure codes developed by a seventeen-member committee known as the CPT Editorial Panel. The AMA nominates eleven of the members while the remaining seats are nominated by the Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association, the Health Insurance Association of America, CMS, and the American Hospital Association. The CPT Committee issues new codes twice each year.

A separate committee, the Specialty Society Relative Value Scale Update Committee (RUC), meets three times a year to set new values, determines the Relative Value Units (RVUs) for each new code, and revalues all existing codes at least once every five years. The RUC has 29 members, 23 of whom are appointed by major national medical societies. The six remaining seats are held by the Chair (an AMA appointee), an AMA representative, a representative from the CPT Editorial Panel, a representative from the American Osteopathic Association, a representative from the Health Care Professions Advisory Committee and a representative from the Practice Expense Review Committee. Anyone who attends its meetings must sign a confidentiality agreement.

Price setting
The RBRVS for each CPT code is determined using three separate factors: physician work, practice expense, and malpractice expense. The average relative weights of these are: physician work (52%), practice expense (44%), malpractice expense (4%). A method to determine the physician work value was the primary contribution made by the Hsiao study. The RUC examines each new code to determine a relative value by comparing the physician work of the new code to the physician work involved in existing codes.

The practice expense, determined by the Practice Expense Review Committee, consists of the direct expenses related to supplies and non-physician labor used in providing the service, and the pro rata cost of the equipment used. In addition, there is an amount included for the indirect expenses.

In the development of the RBRVS, the physician work (including the physician's time, mental effort, technical skill, judgment, stress and an amortization of the physician's education), the practice expense and the malpractice expense are factored into the result. The calculation of the fee includes a geographic adjustment. The RBRVS does not include adjustments for outcomes, quality of service, severity, or demand.

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