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Talk:Lake County, California

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There is much content in the Clear Lake article which is more about the county than the lake, and probably needs to be moved here. I'll probably do this sometime, but if anyone wants to start on this, be my guest. See Talk: Clear Lake.

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LC
I lived in Lake County for 20 years, and never did I know someone to seriously refer to Lake County as "LC" or "The County". People had enough trouble understanding where Lake County was, so any colloquial saying would have only created more confusion. I would suspect anyone that would use the term "LC" was most likely in high school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.94.34.82 (talk) 17:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

possible copyvio
My gut is telling me that Lake_County%2C_California is a copyvio, but I can't find what site it is from.--Rockfang (talk) 05:18, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Article issues
Who wrote this baloney on county history? It is slanted toward wine-making, even the picture is bad, should be in Napa County's article ;). I'd be happy to expand this history section, as I live 15 minutes from the Lake County library, and can provide photos of the lake as well. Comments? Marcia Wright (talk) 14:17, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

 * I agree that this covers only wine making -- but the history (and agriculture) is much richer than that. Pears, anybody? Alanf777 (talk) 21:17, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I added a 1911 summary of agriculture, and current crop values in a new Agriculture section. I think that the two wine-heavy sentences in History could be moved to Agriculture, and summarized in History. Alanf777 (talk) 01:08, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

my first post i dont know how to add. please concider the native fish. http://lakelive.info/chicouncil/ Wmpine (talk) 16:40, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Wmpine : hitch and other fish are covered in the article on Clear Lake, under wildlife -- with a link to the Chi Council site. (Alan, Lucerne and KPFZ) Alanf777 (talk) 01:10, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Geography
I've added some details on rivers and lakes/dams -- but I think the should just be mentioned in the heading of geography, and details put in a new "rivers and lakes" section. Alanf777 (talk) 21:14, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Berryessa Snow Mountain Nat'l Monument was just signed into law by Obama, and should be added. Judithkitty (talk) 13:30, 24 August 2015 (UTC)judithkitty

Historical transport
I added some info on railways under transport -- it could go in History, of course. I'll add some other historical stuff on stage routes and shipping lines. Alanf777 (talk) 21:38, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

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No Bloody Island Massacre?
Shouldn't this and the slavery etc be in the hyper-whitewashed History? The Bloody Island Massacre (also called the Clear Lake massacre) occurred on an island called in the Pomo language, Bo-no-po-ti or Badon-napo-ti (Island Village), at the north end of Clear Lake, Lake County, California, on May 15, 1850. --2602:306:CFCE:1EE0:CCEF:1398:B0DA:D4C5 (talk) 07:42, 16 May 2020 (UTC) Just Saying

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What happened in 1924? Some third party got a plurality of the vote, which had not happened before, nor has since. What would that be? 2A00:23C7:E287:1900:894E:A9E6:8E1F:5ECF (talk) 21:28, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

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County's founding
Madera County was formed of the northern portion of Fresno County which itself had earlier been formed out of a portion of southern Mariposa County. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.118.100.146 (talk) 22:19, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

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On the advice of another Wikipedian (vegaswikipedian), I'm about to change things up a bit, and do some re-organization on the county pages. As Cities and Towns fall better under the Geography heading, and Major Highways fall better under their own Transportation header, we'll try that, and see how it looks. I'll start right here with the Madera County page, as I am a native of the area, and then branch out from here. Edit Centric 01:44, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

External links - Genweb page
You know, I was initially going to revert the addition of the Genweb link, but got to thinking that it WOULD speak a lot about the history and people that have lived in the county since its inception. So, changing my mind on this one, it stays. Edit Centric (talk) 17:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

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I've removed the 2011 table titled "Places by Population, Race, and Income" from the article. This decision was based on the table's outdated information, which has been superseded by the more recent 2022 census data now included on the page. Additionally, the table lacked proper headers, making it difficult to interpret. This update ensures that readers have access to the most current and readable data.--Guywelch2000 (talk) 17:59, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

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63.197.235.94 (Cities and towns) suspect edits
Edits by this person are suspect. Enters a lot of unsatisfied links (20 in Contra Costa County, California) bad spelling, bad naming, nonexistent locations, bad link syntax, etc. Unclear if vandalism or simply not capable, See article talk for CoCoCo and this user's history. I cleaned up for CoCoCo but reverted all in Alameda County, California -- Leonard G. 05:36, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

"Other socioeconomic groups"
No significant part of Marin County suffers from "overcrowding" (incredible!) and "poverty" -- this is all a fabrication on the part of a bitter editor who wishes to disparage the county. This intent is reflecting in the language employed to describe this supposed marginalized subsection of society. Although there are certainly social problems in Marin, none necessitate such a lengthy addition to the introduction of the entry -- perhaps in the demographics section one could note that the hyperaffluent regions of the county tend to be concentrated in its southern portion and that the wealth is certainly not uniformly distributed throughout.

 * I agree - even the Canal district in San Rafael or Marin City are hardly overcrowded. --googuse 01:55, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I am the "bitter editor"... and a Marin native who is usually regarded as tilted "pro-Marin" on everything. I'll give you both a why and factual backup for my edit.
 * The numbers: Belvedere, Kentfield, Ross, Tiburon and the parts of the other towns where there are rich enclaves are just that... smaller enclaves. The middle class and people below the poverty line in the county are the great majority compared to the rich.  But one $5,000,000 a year income moves the average compared to a lot of people where two incomes total $72K a year.
 * Re crowding and poverty: The San Rafael Canal area has lots of cases of three and four families living in places designed for one or two.  (Call the Canal Community Alliance if you want confirmation.)  And the Canal area was historically the highest density housing in the city.  Drive down Bellam or Anderson and look at all the guys standing there waiting for work... it's an eye-opener.  Marin City is different: it's public housing but the density per square mile is still quite high, and the average income is very low, with many people below the poverty line (hence my use of the word poverty).  This is also true in the Canal.
 * The why: Saying that Marin is uniformly rich and well-heeled (apart from accuracy issues raised above) makes both the people below the poverty line and the middle-class groups in the county disappear, despite their numerical majority. If we lead the world to believe that the whole county is a rich enclave we'll never get the public and government support to address the issues of middle class and low-income people despite their numerical majority.

 * So if you guys think my phrasing is wrong, how would you put it if you had to go to Pickleweed Community Center and stand up in front fo the crowd and defend your wording? That should be a good standard for the wikipedia: if it sounds accurate to the people who live here and the numbers back it up then it's encyclopedic.  Coll7 02:51, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I have heard no counter-proposals. In the meantime, I found the following text from a government grant proposal describing those neighborhoods:

 * "The communities to be served are Marin City (a section of the City of Sausalito) and the “Canal District” of the City of San Rafael, California. These communities are distinct in Marin County as they are populated almost exclusively by low-income persons of color as opposed to the surrounding population of Marin County, which is largely Caucasian and affluent. Marin City has a population of 2,500 and is geographically isolated from the other parts of Marin County with only one major artery for entrance and exit. The population is ethnically diverse with large East Asian, Hispanic, and African American populations. The population in the “Canal District” is largely Hispanic, with many households residing in over-crowded apartment units. The social issues that exist in Marin City are an increasing sense of isolation and dislocation as the community experiences an ever-widening economic gap between newer homeowners and the public housing residents."

 * BTW, many Marinites do not realize that the apartment buildings highest on the hill in Marin City above Best Buy and Ross Dept. Store are in fact public housing, with severely impacted families living in close quarters. From the freeway it looks like an extension of the nice neighborhoods by the shopping center.

 * I will take a crack at a new draft version of the wording. See what you think, but please debate here rather than just reverting. Coll7 21:08, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Different anon users keep trying to edit all mention of poverty out of this article. I don't know if this is being done due to real estate agents trying to sugar-coat reality, but if someone wants to change that issue after all the information exchange above they have to discuss it on this talk page first. Also, please always sign your posts. Coll7 01:56, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The economic disparity referenced in the introduction is also mentioned in other parts of the article; in any case, such disparity is NOT unique to Marin County and has absolutely no place in the first paragraph (which should highlight Marin's postiive attributes). The fact that so many people have disputed the placement of these comments should render it clear to you that the changes instituted are unnecessary, if not inaccurate.

 * First of all, please use four tildes (the ~ sign) to sign your posts. Secondly, the purpose of the opening paragraph of the article is to summarize the contents, not to "highlight positive attributes."  If you want to present a case that the contrast in populations is not a major issue in the county, this page is the place to present that case.  If you believe the picture of the county presented in the government grant document quoted above is inaccurate, this page is the place to make your case.  If you make it convincingly the article page would in fact get changed.  If anonymous people keep coming in and editing the text, however, editors will revert back as a matter of good practice.  Our job is to be encyclopedic, not to affect real estate values. Coll7 23:25, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I think part of the problem is that a lot of information is being crammed into the first section, which should really be a summary. There ends up being one line about liberal politics and then 2 lines about small enclaves. While I don't think that anyone would dispute the facts about the canal and marin city, the problem isn't any worse than other places in the greater bay area (Hunters Point, part of the more affluent San Francisco as a whole, Berkeley hills vs other parts of Berkeley). Would it be possible to just add a "challenges" section that outlines both points of view, and then give more of a "summary" approach in the first section (which seems a little disjointed anyways)? --Xyrrus 17:06, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Frank Lloyd Wright Civic Center
I added some language at the top about this. An architect may be able th phrase it better. Coll7 21:41, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Nancy Pelosi
I removed the claim that Nancy Pelosi is from Marin County. She represents San Francisco's district in Congress, and according to her Wikipedia article, she was born in Maryland, went to college in DC, and lived there until she and her husband moved to San Francisco. So I see no basis for claiming she's from Marin. Jcb9 07:47, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Establishment date
"Created 1850" vs. "formed 1889": unless the latter refers only to the board of supervisors, this is a contradiction. Biruitorul 05:37, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Notable residents and former residents of Marin County
I diverted this lengthy section to a whole new page. I don't think 20% of the article on Marin County should be devoted to who used to live there. Noneofyourbiznez 00:56, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Conservatism?
From the introduction paragraph: "Marin County is world-renowned for its stunning natural beauty, staunch conservatism and affluence." I'm not so sure about that claim to 'staunch conservatism' as a renowned trait of Marin, as it politically tends towards the liberal side. Perhaps the term that is meant is conservationism (although I'm not sure that this is a word, perhaps conservationist?) in reference to the open space provisions of the county? Cuffeparade 06:43, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Angel Island
I noticed that there is only a incidental reference to Angel island in this page (referring to the Angel island ferry service in the public transportation section). I want to add a bit more information about Angel Island here, but am not sure where it should go, whether stuck in Geography or perhaps in the list of Cities, Towns and Unincorporated places? Alternatively there could be a new section on state and national parks with Angel Island included in ther with the Headlands, Mt Tam and the other various parks in Marin. Any thoughts? Cuffeparade 11:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

More photo
For an article that claims the subject is known for "its natural beauty", it is unfortunate that the article includes only two photos. __earth (Talk) 02:20, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Jewell?
Does anyone know what the deal with Jewell is? If you go a couple miles past Samuel P. Taylor Park on Sir Francis Drake, you'll see a sign announcing a place called Jewell. There is a sign in each direction on the road, which I assume designates some sort of border. What is the status of Jewell? Does it officially exsist? I grew up in Marin and know absolutely nothing about it, except we traditionally held out breath when passing through it. Anyone? googuse (talk) 13:37, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Some of the land was owned by a family with that name. There was a rural school and a train stop.  I think that the locals called the area "Jewell's", while the whistle stop was labeled "Jewell".  The Point Reyes Light has run stories about local controversy concerning demolition of the remmaining residences by the GGNRA.
 * http://www.co.marin.ca.us/depts/lb/main/crm/oralhistories/nmcisaacft.html
 * http://www.calarchives4u.com/Biographies/marin/mar-jewe.htm
 * http://www.ptreyeslight.com/stories/may20_99/tocaloma.html
 * --Hjal (talk) 20:21, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Educational Institutions Organization
Does anyone know the deal with the way the elementary and middle schools are organized? Looks like it started out being alphabetically by school, and then partly by town. I'm rearranging them to match the format for high schools, because it's more legible. If anyone has better ideas, they are welcome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Authentic You (talk • contribs) 01:37, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

brandeis hillel is not in Novato, it is in San Rafael.---

new age
strange there was no mention of anything new age going on here. i just added it. hope no one freaks out -- it's just the truth. ask an average bay area resident (i lived in sf most of the 90's) about marin and they'd say "rich, liberal, new-age, natural beauty". and now that's exactly what it does say -- previously it only had the other three.

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Wright
The San Quentin Prison also was designed by Frank Lloyd Wright. The Civic Center gets a lot of notice, but I think the Prison is even more remarkable. Unfortunately, the only good view of it is from the Larkspur Ferry as it passes slowly right in front of it.Ty2009 (talk) 23:53, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If you can cite a source for that information, you might add it to the San Quentin State Prison article. --Stepheng3 (talk) 23:56, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Much (most if not all?) of San Quentin predates Wright by quite a bit of time. Norcalal (talk) 06:43, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Conspicuous Consumption
The "Income" section is comically subjective, seemingly written by someone who's never really lived outside of Marin. It gives many examples that feign to be self-deprecating but are actually bragging. The worst case in point is the following: "Marin County has the highest per capita income of any county in the United States. This is driven in particular by expensive enclaves in Sausalito, Belvedere, Tiburon, Mill Valley, Larkspur, Corte Madera, Kentfield, Ross, San Anselmo, and portions of San Rafael and Novato where displays of conspicuous consumption, especially luxury cars, are common. The county has the highest density of BMW cars (locally known as 'Basic Marin Wheels') in the United States, according to the local BMW dealership."

First, every legitimate city in Marin has an expensive enclave? "Enclave," seriously? I can't name an enclave in this county. And those are examples of "conspicuous consumption"? Conspicuous consumption, almost by definition does not flourish in a place like Marin, and definitely not south of Mill Valley. When I lived in Texas, I knew many, many people whose cars cost more than their homes--that's conspicuous consumption. Marin is known for quite the opposite--the huge amounts of money driving used Honda Accords. It has a high density of BMWs because people can afford the highest quality cars, not because people are showing off (it would be logically impossible to show off a BMW in a place where everyone can afford one!) You will see a much higher standard deviation of flashy cars most anywhere in the country--you'll see more Ferraris in Utah than Marin. And a simple google search shows "basic marin wheels" was a big phrase one week in the 80s. Okay, I'll stop now, but it needs to be cleaned up, and I've already spent my time writing this paragraph!--Mrcolj (talk) 03:35, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I've pared the section way back. Some of it may be true, but most of it is unreferenced--and that's not good enough: See WP:V Barte (talk) 13:32, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Old school district URLs
This article http://web.archive.org/web/20031203111336/http://mcoeweb.marin.k12.ca.us/es/PubSchGuide/SchoolsGuide.pdf has URLs of school districts. They may be different than the ones they use now WhisperToMe (talk) 06:03, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Maps
Wikipedia maps are just sad nowdays. Used to be so much better. I'll be so happy when WP figures-out how to interact with an open-source map project... Sadsaque (talk) 14:45, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

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Etymology / Pronunciation
It would be nice to have an etymology for the name, by way of explaining where the pronunciation comes from.

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History
This sentence is problematic: "Marino definitely did reside at Mission Dolores (in modern San Francisco) much of the time from his 1801 baptism and marriage until 1817, frequently serving as a baptism witness and godfather; he may have escaped and been recaptured at some point during that time." Why does the writer use the word "escape" when in the same sentence it is mentioned that Marino simply resided at the Mission? Was he incarcerated? Why "escaped"? Chafe66 (talk) 22:09, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

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Nothing on Marin County culture/in popular culture?
A glaring omission in this article is that it has almost nothing on the culture of Marin County and how Marin County is seen in the larger culture of the San Francisco Bay Area and, more generally, in American popular culture. In the late 1970s in particular, Marin's reputation for affluence, self-indugence, hot tubs, cocaine, personal growth, and new age spirituality preceded it and was satirized in the 1977 novel The Serial, the 1980 film version Serial, and the controversial 1978 NBC News special, I Want it All Now. (In fact, "I Want it All Now" is notable enough that it should have its own article.) The article does mention George W. Bush's reference to John Walker Lindh as a "Marin County hot-tubber", but doesn't refer at all to where that cultural trope came from.

It's worth noting that the fact that discussion of this cultural trope is missing from the article is a prime example of WP:PRESENTISM - if Wikipedia had been around in 1979, I have little doubt it would have been a large part of the article.

Anyway, there are some good sources out there for writing a section on this topic:

Peter G Werner (talk) 18:12, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * https://www.marinij.com/2019/01/07/marin-still-wants-it-all-now/ (https://archive.ph/EC8kD)
 * https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2002-jul-14-tm-47295-story.html (https://archive.ph/7dvoE)
 * https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/jul/16/worlddispatch.usa

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Are there only three CDP's or that whole list down below? If the former, what are the CDP's? YellowAries2010 (talk) 05:40, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

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The original paragraph contained numerous inaccuracies, as shown by the provided data in the chart. The Democratic candidate has won in the last three presidential elections. The assertion is incorrect, and thus the conclusion drawn is also incorrect. Updated to reflect a more accurate statement.

Old: Previously reliably Democratic, Merced is now considered a bellwether county. It voted for the winning candidate for president in every election from 1972-2012, before voting for Hillary Clinton in 2016. Democrat Barack Obama won a majority in the county in both 2008 and 2012. Republican George W. Bush won a majority in the county in both 2000 and 2004. This shift in favour of the Republican Party is a rarity given Californian politics' almost universal shift towards the Democratic Party in recent years.

New: Merced County voted for the winning candidate for president in every election from 1972-2012, before voting for Hillary Clinton in 2016. Democrat Barack Obama won a majority in the county in both 2008 and 2012. Republican George W. Bush won a majority in the county in both 2000 and 2004. Mwehman (talk) 21:11, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

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Utah territory never claimed land in California.

Centerville was county seat before Alturas. Downstrike (talk) 06:56, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

It may be tempting cite from a source such the local Chamber of Commerce for information about a city or county, but in this case at least, the Alturas Chamber of Commerce web site's History page is questionable. While some content seems to be original work dating to 1992, some has been added so recently that Google hasn't collected it into their search engine yet, and it's a collection of snippets of information plagiarized from a variety of uncredited sources. This came to my attention when I recognized some of my own work on their page.

Their original work contains contradictions of scholarly works, without citing a source.

Googling a selection of phrases that should be unique to their page shows that these phrases occurred earlier on other web sites:

 * |"The village was knows as Kosealekte"
 * |"Valley on Top of a Mountain"
 * |"the brothers had settled in the Willamette Valley of Oregon"

This is not to say that the Alturas Chamber of Commerce web site is of no use to us. However, having found information on it, we would be wise to google the phrase we want to cite, in order to find the original source, and determine whether it is reliable. Downstrike (talk) 19:42, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Source needs ID
There are seven cites to a source noted as Kyle, but nothing that identifies the original author, work, publisher and date. A Lt. Kyle was documented as being involved in the Modoc War, but it is unclear if this material is based on a journal of his. Other academic sources should be used on such a controversial war.Parkwells (talk) 19:35, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

 * Perhaps someone tried to do something about this since then, because the name of Hoover's and Kyle's publication is present in the References section. However, each of the inline citations is followed by numbers outside the citation in a format I don't recognize.
 * Should I guess that these are meant to be page numbers? If so, page numbers belong in a field within the citation.  Yes; as far as I know, that means that references to different pages need to be separate citations. Downstrike (talk) 11:16, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Modoc County Seal
The unofficial county seal is the mule deer. There is a much less known official county seal of a bear in the foreground with 3 pine trees and mountains in purple behind them. This can easily be verified by contacting the Clerk to the Board of Supervisors, 204 Sth Court Street, Alturas, CA 96101. If you wish to verify by phone, call (530)233-6201. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.42.185.129 (talk) 22:43, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Empty Tables Suggestion
What is the point of all these empty tables, such as for Crime and Demographics? They seem like an eyesore, so I suggest they be removed until someone actually has data to populate them. Downstrike (talk) 11:02, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Geographically Incorrect Photo
There is a photo listed of "the main camp remains of the historic Tule Lake Relocation Center". The photo itself is not of the Tule Lake relocation center (Newell, Modoc County, California). It's of the Camp Tulelake, which housed German prisoners of war and is located in SISKIYOU county at the eastern edge of Sheepy Ridge. I am going to remove this photo. Someone can add a photo that is of the actual Japanese Internment camp in Modoc County if they want to. Additionally, Captain Jack's Stronghold, Lava Beds National Monument, is in SISKIYOU county, so that photo is being removed, too. I know this is near the border of Modoc County, but people really need to consult maps if they're unsure of borders. 68.186.96.137 (talk) 02:46, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

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Meaningless information
1. "The population density was 2 people per square mile (1/km2). There were 4,807 housing units at an average density of 1 per square mile (0/km2)."

The conversions are not accurate and 0/km2 is meaningless.

2. Most of the hidden tables have numbers but it's not clear what the numbers mean so the information is meaningless.

3. The data on crime has no date which is meaningless.

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The square miles in the box of this county are incorrect and do not match the square miles in the text. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.200.33.131 (talk) 19:45, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Is Bodie really the official state ghost town? I thought that there had been a battle between Bodie and Calico, and the supporters of both agreed to disagree by not naming an official ghost town. RickK 01:56, 19 Oct 2003 (UTC)

 * §429.7 of CA government code, "Bodie is the official state gold rush ghost town." Note "gold rush ghost town"; see, apparently they're planning to designate Calico as the silver rush ghost town next. --Brion 02:20, 19 Oct 2003 (UTC)

 * That's one way to avoid a fight. RickK 02:24, 19 Oct 2003 (UTC)

To be precise, gold was discovered in Bodie in 1859, which is after the acknowledged end to of the California Gold Rush; there was a gold rush to Bodie, but that was not part of the California Gold Rush. You'll notice that the state statute only refers to the term "gold rush" not "California Gold Rush." NorCalHistory 22:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

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county seat
king city is the county seat, NOT SALINAS. i live in this county, so i think in know

 * I live in Monterey County as well. The county seat is Salinas, but don't take my word for it, research it yourself at this web-site: National Association of Counties.. Thanks.  Signature brendel  06:17, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Housing prices weasel words
Is there any specific concern with the section on housing prices, aside from the obvious need for some references? What are the "weasel words" in question?Robert cruickshank 18:34, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm planning to re-write it in a more excyclopedic way-everything can easily be referenced. I am, however, busy with a couple of other things-so I should get to it maybe this or the next week. Regards,  Signature brendel  HAPPY HOLIDAYS 19:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Sounds great. I'd be happy to help out if you need it. Robert cruickshank 07:28, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Gallery
I think this page needs a gallery section to show wome pictures of Monterey County. I tried to get some pictures from articles from some of the cities in the county but I had a hard time making the section. Rdrg93 (talk) 17:42, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

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Bliss
As much as I would love to parade around shouting that Bliss (Default background for WinXP) was taken in Napa. I would like to have some citation for this. I'll be back later to put a citation needed (if one is not given). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taboo Tongue (talk • contribs) 23:37, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I found this http://s-r.com/local/story_txt.asp?date=022204&ID=s1490284, it states that a microsoft spokesman said that it was taken just outside of Napa, Ca. So that means it could be inside Napa County or even in Solano County.  My guess would be that it's somewhere in Napa County.  I haven't the time at the moment to look into this further at the moment... maybe later... Loquat15 13:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Nice thank you Taboo Tongue 15:33, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe it is west of Napa, in Sonoma county, perhaps somewhere east of Petaluma. 24.23.177.218 (talk) 05:02, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The location is on the bluff at Alston Park near redwood road. The fact is supported by ruins. The road was the 19th century pass over the mountaib to Sonoma. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:643:0:8890:693A:65F8:3EBD:E5 (talk) 04:58, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

 * The Bliss photo was taken in Sonoma County in January 1996 by Charles O'Rear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Napa56 (talk • contribs) 14:15, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Assessment
despite its length, this article has a shallow history section and is absent of ecology. references are weak and slight POV shows through. thus rating of "start" is appropriate. Anlace 04:20, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Merger proposal
Hi, I propose a merge of Napa City-County Library into this article, no information on said article, not particuarly notable. yes/no? -- Ļıßζېấשּׂ~ۘ Ώƒ ﻚĢęخ (talk) 01:23, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Doubt about fort quote
[I am new to Wikipedia. Please excuse any mistakes. The following excerpt would seem to cast doubt upon the quoted assertion, re-quoted in this Wikipedia entry. If unsupported by factual record, the assertion may be of some worth nevertheless, given the date it was made (i.e. proximate enough to 1776 that common knowledge and word of mouth might be accurate, albeit corrupted by unknown influences). Perhaps the statement ought to be qualified (e.g. "According to one source") rather than deleted altogether. Zroyce (talk) 17:56, 17 June 2009 (UTC)]

Excerpt from History of Napa and Lake Counties, authored by Lyman L. Palmer, published in 1881 by Slocum, Bowen & Co, San Francisco:

A writer, in a work published by Smith & Elliot, in 1878, says: “In 1776 a fort was erected by the Spanish Governor, Felipe de Neve, a short distance north-west of Napa, on an elevated plateu. Part of the original fort is now standing, the wall being of adobe, and three feet in thickness. It is situated on the Rancho Vilijo, and is occupied as a residence and wine cellar by J.J. Sigrist.” We are obliged to take issue with this statement. We do not know the writer’s authority, but are conversant with the history of the movements of the Spaniards in this part of California during that year. It was in 1776 that the first location was made at San Francisco, and the grant to the Mission is dated October 9th of that year. While waiting for the vessel to arrive, which had been dispatched with supplies, etc., excursions were made into the interior, and the circuit of the bay was made by way of San Jose, and far up the Alameda side. Another party crossed the strait at Saucelito, and passed as far northward as the Olompoli Rancheria, south of Petaluma a few miles, where they taught the Indians how to make adobe houses, and one was erected which stood there until a very few years ago, when it was torn down. The writer has seen adobes from the old structure, which was evidently the first one ever built north of San Francisco Bay. But in none of the records of these excursions is any mention made of the erection of a fort at the place mentioned above. We should be glad to establish the fact if it were possible, and to confer, substantiated, upon Napa County, the honor of having such an ancient relic of the Spanish regime within its boundaries, but a due regard for the truth prevents us from giving the statement unqualifiedly.

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Opening / Main Paragraph needs citation
I just added a citation tag to the opener, the statement flagged seems rather subjective, but is probably attributable to a source, we just need the citation reflected here..Edit Centric 02:36, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

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MSG FOR JREFEREE - Thanks again for the input, I'm always open to others' ideas, even if they differ from my own, I try to keep an open mind. To that same end, before I began this massive project of mine (realignment of geographical and transportation data and adding info boxes), I consulted the page on WikiProjects for U.S. Counties, which makes the following statement regarding article structure; ..."These are only suggestions, things to give you focus and to get you going, and you shouldn't feel obligated in the least to follow them." Along with that, Vegaswikian made the suggestion that Major highways might not be applicable under Geography, but under an altogether separate Transpo category. So, grasping ahold of these concepts, along with a thermos full of Folger's and a full playlist in Winamp, I began my foray into the world of California counties.

Plumas is just one stop along the way in what started as an attempt to add the full gammut of highways to each county, with Google Earth as a reference (and the fact that, loving to drive, I've been on almost every major highway in this great state of ours!). During this effort, I came to the realisation that cities and towns are indeed part of a county's geography, as they define specific places and are definite features of the county's overall geo structure. With that in mind, the realignments seemed appropriate.

If a consensus is reached that cities and towns should be separated, I'll go along with that (albeit begrudgingly, this has been quite a task! :-) Edit Centric 03:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Transcontinental Railroad was not the cause of a reduced use of the Beckwourth Trail
The following statement is questionable:

"The Beckwourth Trail had heavy use until about 1865, after construction of the transcontinental railroad, when railroads became the favored transportation method for westward-bound travelers."

This claim concerning the transcontinental railroad impacting emigrant Use of the Beckwourth Trail requires improved scholarship as it lacks creditable support. This sentence was taken from the website |The Beckwourth Trail, A Route to the Gold Country, but support for it can not be found. Of most obvious concern about this claim is that that the transcontinental railroad was not completed until 1869.

There were some other more direct reasons why the trail was not heavily traveled from Nevada to Marysville post-1854.

There is a paper written by Dr Clarence McIntosh, Professor History at California State University Chico, entitled "Transportation in Plumas County Before the Railroads". The paper was included in "Plumas Memories, Plumas Historical Society, Publication #51, June 1986".

In this paper, Dr McIntosh discussed how traffic shifted from the Beckwourth Trail to other competing trails such as the Humbug Road and Nobles Road. The "Beckwourth Road" became a toll road in the areas west of Quincy in 1854. He indicates, "the toll cost to move a ton of freight from Bidwell Bar to Quincy in the 1850s was about $18. This made using the Beckwourth Road an expensive enterprise". Thus the use of the Beckwourth Trail declined.

Referencing to Dr McIntosh's paper, I will change this disputed sentence to the following:

"Between 1851 and 1854, the Beckwourth trail was frequently traveled; however, in 1854, use dropped sharply when the Beckwourth Trail became a toll road. The toll cost to move a ton of freight from Bidwell Bar to Quincy was about $18. This made using the Beckwourth Road an expensive enterprise and use of the Beckwourth Trail declined."

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County incorporated and unincorporated area map outdated
Does anyone know how to update/adjust/fix/redo/create the county maps? The map for areas of Sacramento County is outdated (Elk Grove is the main problem I see), some of the areas do not conform to Google Maps (not sure how valid that is) or the maps on the Sacramento County site (which has some inconsistencies with Google Maps, or the other way). I would edit these myself as I'm big on maps and political geography, but my abilities with image manipulation is limited to MS Paint. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.202.113.188 (talk) 02:34, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Pollution
the article badly needs section on pollution, especially air pollution.Rich (talk) 03:42, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Elevation
Normally in geography the elevation is given as some actual point in the downtown area of a city, not as the highest point.71.63.160.210 (talk) 22:33, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

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As housing costs have gone up in the San Francisco Bay Area, commuters have begun moving to San Benito County.
Can anyone verify this comment? ςפקι Д Иτς ☺ ☻ 21:34, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It is considered by the US Census as an outlying county to the San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara Metropolitan Area. This means that at least 25% of the employed population of San Benito County works in Santa Clara County. Polaron | Talk 21:13, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

AMBAG
AMBAG and ABAG ARE NOT governmental agencies. They are volunteer represented associations of governmental agencies dedicated towards facilitating mutuals goals (and getting money from Sacramento). They have nothing to do with defining the borders of either Bay Areas except that they are supposed to represent their respected governmental agencies (usually by county but sometimes by city). 74.220.74.40 (talk) 06:02, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I need help in reviewing my most recent two orders can a representative please contact me?
Please contact me 97.95.24.207 (talk) 08:55, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Orders
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Orders
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We must stop the vandalizm on this board.
Somebody again attempted to damage this article.

Someone is obsessed with trying to add opinionated and non-NPOV info, and attempted to delete new information that has been added the past few weeks, and I caught it and reinstated the newer, NPOV info.

Crime section is deleted, but not gang violence
San Bernardino county isn't about crime or gangs, but a place where upper-class and white-collar professionals have moved to in lagrge numbers. There are white supremacists in the county though, like the California Golden Knights of the Ku Klux Klan based in Fontana and the National Association for Advancement of white people in Rialto (san Bernardino). I recall former representative David Duke, a self-claimed racist and former klansman bought a mansionette in Fontana. There is some Aryan Nations/Neo-Nazi gang activity like the Nazi Low Riders in Ontario/Chino known for carjacking, drug trafficking and harassment of minorities. We need to write new topics and more articles on San Bernardino county, not limited to the negative. + 207.200.116.201 04:22, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

This article is just so wrong, and is a disgrace to the Wikipedia community
Why the desire to protect/lock an article that is so biased against San Bernardino County?

There are lots of great places in San Bernardino County.

The gang section is just unacceptable, and yet is protected by someone out of the country who doesn't even live in San Bernardino County?

What happened to the talk page that used to be here, and had protests against this smearing?

This article, or more accurately, this smear campaign against San Bernardino County, is a disgrace to the Wikipedia Community!!!

 * As an objective third party, I can't say I find this article unreasonable. It states unbiased facts -- if there are positive aspects of San Bernardino County that you feel are neglected, please add them. However, removing content just because you don't like it is considered antisocial in just about any online community.

 * While there are a number of contentious articles on Wikipedia that acts as hotspots for manifest bias, this genuinely doesn't seem to be one of them :)

 * Adrian Lamo 04:43, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Unbiased? (Thanks for reading.)
Thanks for responding.

Just as one example, can you really say this is "unbiased"?

Quote: "San Bernardino County is infamous for its gang activity."

This is not only absurd, it's just plain wrong. The county is huge, and has many nice places, and yes, a few rough places, too, but it certainly is not quote "infamous".

This section really needs to be rewritten, as numerous people correctly pointed out on the previous talk page before it was deleted just recently.

Thanks for reading.

 * Well, you're right that the section sticks out, which is unfortunate. Some of the language could be improved, too. I've edited that section ever so slightly to make it a bit more neutral, but can't (and wouldn't) outright remove factual content. I am of the belief that as the article evolves, the gang section will become less prominent. Is there anything specific you want to add to this article?

 * Adrian Lamo 04:58, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps it could be rewritten as some places in san bernardino county are infamous for gang activity? I live in rialto, and we have 1.5 times the national average for violence but that doesn't make it infamous for it's gang activity. san berdoo is the eighteenth most dangerous city in the us and they're only a couple miles away but rialto is much safer it seems. showing just how spotty the gang violence is. - signed by anon IP

 * The article has a section about incidence of crime in the county back in 2006, but where did the information come from? It's unsourced for one thing and the other, there's concern the crime activity issue in San Bernardino is overemphasized or biased against the county. + 71.102.3.86 (talk) 04:15, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Much better already. I'm impressed.
That's much better. I'm impressed with Wikipedia.

I think it's still a bit harsh, though.

I agree, the best way is to further develop the article.

Like you said, I'll look up some more information, and be back later to contribute..

 * Sorry I don't know enough about the area to immediately do more. I'll add this page to my watchlist, and remember to add content if I come across anything that seems worth adding.

 * Articles aren't intended to flatter or demean any topic, place, or person. Thanks for your patience while this one develops, and for taking the time to state an opinion :)

 * Cheers. Adrian Lamo 05:33, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

We must stop the vandalizm on this board.
We must stop the vandalizm on this board.

Somebody again attempted to damage this article.

Someone attempted to delete new information that has been added the past few weeks, and I caught it and reinstated the newer, NPOV info.

 * Certainly, the county and cities articles (Fontana, Victorville and Redlands are constantly changed without wikipedia approval). Some of the subjects changed relate to race, income class and demographics that many readers didn't like. References to Fontana, which the wikipedia article states "a town known for lower-income whites", is fooled around with. Fontana does have large African American, Slavic, Mexican (Latino) and Japanese communities, but I check it often to find it was deleted. The city is changing, growing fast and more newcomers are racially diverse, so I don't find it inaccurate. Lower-income whites aren't the majority anymore in the San Bernardino area, even the High desert communities are new homes to "yuppies" and commuters whom work in the Los Angeles area. + 207.200.116.201 04:29, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Should we eliminate the Crime section?
Maybe we should just eliminate the crime section? It looks like several people have been modifying it, some with NPOV and others with an opinionated POV, and it still isn't a NPOV. Also, it doesn't seem to add much to the article.

 * I don't think it is so bad. There certainly is crime in the county. I'm not sure what happened to the one reference but we can fix that. If there is a way to make it more NPOV, then go for it. -Will Beback 21:59, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * the crime stats needs to be moved to public safety. none of the other southern california counties have crime set up like so. it should be in the public safety. if not the article does not read well.Javiern (talk) 22:05, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Repaired with NPOV
The page was again damaged by someone with a biased agenda (the pro-gang troll), and I repaired with the more NPOV on file.

 * It looks as if you replaced material that had at least one source with material that has none. That isn't progress. Please provide sources to support your assertions. Please do not remove sourced material provided by others. Thanks, -Will Beback 23:47, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Mountain time?
The time zone currently shows up as "Mountain," although the source (correctly) says Pacific? - signed by anon IP

 * Incorrect, unless you referring to the Colorado River where the time zone boundary is, only the Arizona side is Mountain time and does not observe daylight savings time. + 71.102.3.86 (talk) 04:13, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Question on meaning...
Does "The county is larger in area than the states of Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Delaware combined. Any of those states could be replaced in the list by New Jersey, Vermont, or New Hampshire." mean what it appears to? If so, does anyone else think that that happens to be the most completely awkward phrasing possible? 68.39.174.238 20:38, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Alaska borough comparison
San Bernardino County is the largest "county" in the US, which the article states, but it is not the largest "county-equivalent," because several Alaska boroughs are larger:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_boroughs_and_census_areas_in_Alaska

This is already mentioned in the San Bernardino County article, but whoever wrote it designated the Yukon-Koyukuk Census Area as the largest county-equivalent in the US, which is arguably not correct at all. Like much of Alaska, Yukon-Koyukuk is in the vast "unorganized borough" of Alaska and thus not part of a county-equivalent.

The largest then would be the North Slope Borough: North Slope Borough http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Slope_Borough%2C_Alaska

I'm going to change the article to reflect that, but I'm just putting out the reasons why now, just in case Yukon-Koyukuk was someone's baby.

By the way, as someone who grew up in Orange County, I've always liked San Bernardino County — the vast, open desert is way cool, and the people I know in San Berdo's "Inland Empire" cities are all great people. Why someone would come to Wikipedia to trash San Bernardino County is beyond me. Sure, there's some crime, but that's true everywhere in California, including Orange County (and not just Santa Ana). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kushibo (talk • contribs) 18:30, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Size
I understand that it is big, but the intro is meant to summarize the content of the article, and a whole paragraph two paragraphs in the intro telling us just how big San Bernardino County is comparatively are a little excessive. I have stripped most of it out... it was a little interesting, but it was a bit repetitive and the relevance is debatable. --Node (talk) 12:14, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's still (or is again) too big. A sentence saying it's the biggest in the country would suffice. Lexicon (talk) 17:03, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Named for....
The county is clearly named after the city of san bernardino, just like riverside county is named after riverside city, the same is for San Diego County. NOw the city is named after Saint Bernardine, not county, see source/reference. House1090 (talk) 05:24, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * nonsense...bernadino is the namesake for both by extension. --emerson7 05:32, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * please reference Infobox U.S. County for template guidance. --emerson7 05:43, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

 * Per Spanish and Indian place names of California: their meaning and their romance the name comes from Saint Bernardinus, and was initially applied to the peak before the founding of the town. The county, peak, city, and many other items get their name from the Saint. List of counties in California uses the same source text and covers all the county name etymologies. -Optigan13 (talk) 07:32, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Controversies
A recent edit was made about a possible change of county seat. It appears that a newspaper columnist "heard some say that it would be good if the county seat moved", and wrote this article. I do not believe this kind of speculation by a single person should be included in an encyclopedia article. Any other thoughts? Thanks, Alanraywiki (talk) 00:30, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

 * And I quote "...local interests in the county's West End have argued for the county seat to be relocated from San Bernardino to "the more viable and growing cities of Ontario or Rancho Cucamonga" (their words, not mine.) They have even proposed renaming the county "Arrowhead County." This is not by 1 person but by many people wanting to change the county seat to a ciy in the western end area of San Bernardino County. I think that whether or not the city allows the county to build the so called government tower, the faith of Sb as having the county seat is on the line. May I say that the writer of the article is involved with the city, I believe he is on the city council. House1090 (talk) 00:55, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

 * It's an editorial by the city attorney intended to sway the reader that letting the county build a new center in SB would forestall "relocating the county seat." There is nothing to suggest that anything like this is currently being considered, or that it would be "controversial" if it were. So, WP:NOTSOAP and WP:NOTCRYSTAL both apply. Amerique dialectics  01:02, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

 * The reason why I put it was to let threader know that there are people wanting to change the county seat and county name. House1090 (talk) 01:05, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

 * But Penman doesn't name them, so we don't know who they are, or where he is quoting from. It's just a rumor at this point, an artificial controversy, designed to get the reader to think: "the city better let the county build wherever it wants or the county could hold a vote to move the seat elsewhere" kind of thing. Amerique dialectics  01:26, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay I see your point. I will see if I find any other sources about a county seat move, if not I will delete it today. House1090 (talk) 01:42, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * i heard both county relocation and renaming idea. from the history books located in the county libraries, the name change is an old idea from the early 1900. the county seat relocation almost happened in the early 1920's. it would have been moved to the big bear area(there was a vote and the relocation idea lost by less than 10 votes), the current proposal is because this is the way of getting the county to relocate its offices. the county wants to be in a new building. its been proposed by the city council of san bernardino to take the spot where currently the falling apart known mall as carousel mall. they would tear the mall down and build a high rise just like the city civic center were the city offices are located75.26.156.205 (talk) 02:35, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

county flag
why is there no image of the county flag75.26.156.205 (talk) 02:27, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

quiero tomar un examen para el certified food worker''' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.62.1.230 (talk) 15:25, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Alternate name - St Berdoo?
As a student of etymology, I am fascinated by this abbreviation. Where does this name come from? Googling this name shows mainly tatoo references which doesn't seem likely :) Old_Wombat (talk) 09:25, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Temecula inclusion
I couldn't help but notice that the table of companies derived from the Chamber of Commerce statistics includes Temecula, even though Temecula is actually part of Riverside County, not San Bernardino County. However it doesn't seem right to edit data derived from an external source. thoughts? Keithh (talk) 16:01, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

 * I noticed this as well, but I was mostly baffled as to how the County of Riverside would employ more people in San Bernardino County than SB County itself. Upon further review of the cited source, it appears that these stats are for the Inland Empire as a whole.  That should probably be clarified on the page and more accurate statistics should replace these. (I'm sure they must be available through the state or county websites, right?)  Jayfr (talk) 08:38, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Climate
Not a bad article, but it is missing a "climate" subsection under geography. (And, no, I don't have one in my back pocket!)

BTW, you could probably move towns/cities under "government" if you wished. Student7 (talk) 00:27, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Bogus employment figures
The "County of Riverside" is the largest employer in the San Bernadino County ? Oh really ? How does that work, then ? This defies basic credibility. Those figures come from the website of the San Bernardino Chamber of Commerce. Is the geographical scope of the San Bernardino Chamber of Commerce, precisely coterminous with the actual county ?Eregli bob (talk) 23:09, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Another clue as to the accuracy of the Chamber of Commerce list: UC Riverside is listed twice, with different numbers of employees, and that duplication does come from the original, cited source. Checking the Chamber of Commerce Website, that source list seems to be a crude cut-and-paste of plain text in typewriter font into a Web template, with poor results. It also appears that the list is static, as the content copied to Wikipedia in 2012 is unchanged at the source in 2014, and may in fact be older than 2012. Although this is a published source, it may not be reliable. 50.181.30.121 (talk) 20:03, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

 * BTW, in addition to the article's cited source here, the Chamber of Commerce Website duplicates that list here, with somewhat better formatting. That second copy includes a one-line introduction which may answer the question posed by Eregli bob:
 * "Below is a list of major employers in San Bernardino and the surrounding areas"
 * (emphasis added) 50.181.30.121 (talk) 20:33, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

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map?
could we not get a proper map of the county, on the article? or perhaps more than 1; topography, towns & roads, climate, etc....

Lx 121 (talk) 05:29, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

 * (5 years later) Can we please add a proper map to this article, which shows where the settlements are located? The "Big Red Map" is simply not cutting it. Let's strive to make this project as useful and encyclopedic as possible, and not ignore valid comments such as the one above for years at a time. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 07:59, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * We are all tasked with making this article as good as possible. Anybody can edit (or, to be fair, can raise a question). Does the above writer have a good, noncopyrighted, source for such a map? BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 21:33, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Cities in the San Bernardino Valley/Geography
The list of cities in the San Bernardino Valley doesn't include Montclair, incorporated as Monte Vista(1956), name changed to Montclair(1958). Montclair, in San Bernardino County, is bounded on the west by Pomona and Claremont, on the north by Upland,on the east by Ontario, and on the south by Chino.

I don't have a source. I grew up in Montclair and just know these facts, as anyone from the west end of San Bernardino County, with any sense of geography, would. If Upland, Ontario, and Chino are in the San Bernardino Valley, so is Montclair. ''

03:37, 18 August 2016 (UTC)Bruin75 (talk)On the other hand, on the Wikipedia Pomona Valley page, it lists the San Bernardino County cities of Montclair, Upland, Rancho Cucamonga, and Ontario as being in the Pomona Valley.

On the Wikipedia Upland page it says Upland is in the San Bernardino Valley but no mention of the Pomona Valley.Bruin75 (talk) 03:37, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

San Bernardino County, California redirect?
There is a San Bernardino County, California redirect to this article. This must be circular and wrong. See Kelso Wash. Please correct.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 15:07, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Community Service Districts
Should they be added to the page? they are not cities or towns, but they have semi-autonomous control from the county. All the community service districts have their own board. For example wrightwood residents have control over their sanitation and parks under the wrightwood CSD, but not zoning. so should it be its own section2603:8000:5000:E9D2:C4EC:7244:7262:B40C (talk) 02:36, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Incorrect 1912 election data?
The presidential election data for 1912 looks anomalous and disagrees with the data on the 1912 United States presidential election in California page. Kevink707 (talk) 18:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Election results gone.
Is there a reason as to why the election results table for past elections were wiped from the article? Will it be re-added? SSoto21 (talk) 20:44, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It is not encyclopedic information. WP:DIRECTORY applies - Wikipedia is not a repository of local voter data, simple as that. Cristiano Tomás (talk) 13:12, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Are you sure that it's not encyclopedic? I've never viewed this info as not encyclopedic. SSoto21 (talk) 15:02, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm not sure how directory applies, or how that info isn't encyclopedic. glman (talk) 15:37, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree. That info is absolutely encyclopedic. It’s also on damn near every single county’s page, so there’s clearly an unwritten consensus that it is. I don’t think one random guy’s dissenting opinion should run the day here. Mcleanm302 (talk) 21:00, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * A consensus of editors at WP:County did not suggest including detailed year-by-year election results. I agree with User:Cristiano Tomás that these are unencyclopedic and unnecessary. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:30, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The consensus on the general list of what should be included doesn't amount to consensus that things outside of that shouldn't be included. Why do you feel they are unencyclopedic and unnecessary? glman (talk) 19:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * There's a pattern of highly-active Wikipedia members of a certain opinion targeting various topics and arguing with subject matter experts that WP:DIRECTORY is a reason to remove hard-to-find information from Wikipedia for readability's sake. I disagreed with the notion in the Sony EXMOR drama from a couple years back, and I still disagree with it. This will be a test as to whether the polysci Wikipedian community has enough clout to outvote this wrong and harmful view. --71.197.6.249 (talk) 21:24, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * And that one random guy definitely shouldn't be making a significant policy change without a consensus. It's a pretty huge change that should require voluminous input from a variety of editors and users.  It also shouldn't happen at a page level. Sviscusi (talk) 20:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * There may be a different outcome this time, but be prepared for admin page-active Wikipedians to dig their heels in on this. I really think there should be more deference to subject matter expert needs. Edwin Herdman (talk) 21:29, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It's absolutely encyclopedic. That's insane to say otherwise. Page 209 from 1860's The Political Text-Book or Encylopedia for precedent DemocraticLuntz (talk) 20:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * There are also literally 5 year old templates e.g. Template:United_States_presidential_election_results_table_header behind this data, that's as consensus as it gets. DemocraticLuntz (talk) 20:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree that it is absolutely encyclopedic. And it is as descriptive in its own way as demographic data, which is also included through the years. It is also the sort of information that can be hard to find after some years. It should definitely stay. TopDomino (talk) 23:39, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Knowing how a county votes in Presidential elections is arguably just as important as almost all other demographic data such as race and registered voter percentage. It would significantly reduce the ability to understand a county from this page if all demographic data was removed. Orange1861 (talk) 20:28, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I am a political scientist and I literally cited this data as one of the great accomplishments of Wikipedia to a friend the other day. This table needs to stay and if it does not, it will damage the quality of Wikipedia going forward and also hurt public knowledge. Jacob F. H. Smith (talk) 20:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Obviously there comes a point where you can't display *all* relevant electoral information, like how a county has voted in downballot races, but presidential election history is a great summary of a county's political history, and I argue is equivalent to other demographic data, which nobody takes issue with being displayed on county pages despite WP:DIRECTORY. There's a longstanding, years-long consensus that county pages display presidential election history. XP6287 (talk) 20:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I've used the county presidential elections results table as a sort of Green Book when travelling through parts of rural America, as data going back to whether certain Southern counties had an uptick in third party votes when Dixiecrat Strom Thurmond or George Wallace ran in 1948 and 1968 respectively is a useful snapshot of a location's political identity on top of being potentially lifesaving information. You are exactly right, this information is important and must be kept. Metallicchair (talk) 09:33, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Election data is absolutely valuable information that can provide encyclopedic insight into a county. I agree with Elli - the solution isn't to purge the tables, it's to expand the county's written political history. ItsAstronomical (talk) 23:14, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * This information is absolutely encyclopaedic, and needs to stay. The consensus on this matter can't be overturned because one person deems it unnecessary. 67.215.45.54 (talk) 23:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * This discussion should not be happening at the page level. There has been clear, yearslong consensus that these election results table are encyclopedic in nature to merit inclusion in local county pages. Pretty much every county page in the U.S. has one. A single editor can't just decide they want to remove it on one page and insist in this manner. Again, there is clear, long-standing, site-wide consensus on this matter. This Page's talk page is not the right forum for seeking a change in consensus. --haha169 (talk) 03:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I really don't know what to say that won't come off as insulting, so I'll just say it: this is austere nonsense based on a stretched reading of WP:DIRECTORY. These stats take literally nothing away from the articles' readability, and contribute plenty. I get that "table of stats" is not the most aesthetically pleasing thing on an article, but we're overcorrecting here. The table gives you an idea of the partisan composition of the county over time, which is vital encyclopedic knowledge. It's not a slippery slope, we can stop with just Presidential results. We should revert the previous consensus and include them. Carlp941 (talk) 03:18, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Political Science scholar here. I don't really have much to add that hasn't already been said so I'll keep my comments as short as I can, but the notion that this knowledge isn't encyclopedic is not only insane but flatly wrong. The definition of encyclopedic is comprehensive- what is more comprehensive than this? To claim otherwise is ridiculous and should not be taken seriously.
 * Election data that is encyclopedic while also not having the most unusable design on planet Earth is brutally hard to come by. The election community and profession STILL does not have a comprehensive tool that covers all bases, and Wikipedia is basically the best shot we have. Deleting this information which, without Wikipedia, is *very* annoying to gather if not outright impossible, would be an extreme disgrace to the election community, scholars of political science, and also upset public knowledge such that it would be easier for election misinformation to get out.
 * If your entire purpose is to sit on Wikipedia all day and threaten data that is barely available anywhere else easily and is crucial to tons of people, I genuinely believe you should never touch a Wikipedia article again. 168.91.187.224 (talk) 03:45, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It's most definitely encyclopedic. If you think it isn't, the community will have to reach a consensus. Until then, don't start clearing sections of articles. Tritario (talk) 05:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Agree generally that removal isn't an improvement. An ideal county page would detail the county's political history in prose, and including a table of presidential election results would be a logical aide to that. The fact that most counties don't yet have the in-depth political history in prose isn't a reason to remove the table though; it's a reason to expand the prose! Elli (talk | contribs) 20:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * If you want some background, you should look up the admin page discussions related to Sony EXMOR; there's probably been other communities that have been affected by general pushes for divesting information tables. I would summarize it as subject matter expert needs have been de-prioritized according to the wishes of general Wikipedia editors for readability / terseness. Edwin Herdman (talk) 21:28, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * EXMOR is different in that there has not been significant coverage of individual sensors. There has been significant coverage of every presidential election in San Bernardino County, but one should not have to cite the article in the San Bernardino Sun after the election has been certified as a source, that would incredibly clutter up the article with a list of 30 references. Also there have been mnany articles referencing San Bernardino County's partisan swing, which do not exist for EXMOR (much like there have been articles in tech media detailing new Intel or AMD chips). Calwatch (talk) 16:22, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The election results table should absolutely not be removed. Actual election results are more vital to understanding the politics of a county than voter registration or nonpartisan local offices. These tables have also been on every county page for years at this point. Jon698 (talk) 23:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Not to keep piling on and beat a dead horse but I agree that including election results is absolutely encyclopedic and WP:DIRECTORY doesn't apply. WP:NOTSTATS is also not applicable (the statistics are explained), although a sub-article on the politics of San Bernardino County could arguably be a better place to house the data. Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk) 23:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I will note that it is vital to keep county voting data to prevent claims of election fraud. Especially in this day and age of elections denialism… having an open source to refute these claims is important. Worst case scenario is removing this voting data and it can enable a political group to cite a county voted for Candidate A when the county voted for Candidate B. 63.152.27.123 (talk) 23:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree with previous statements that election results for counties should be considered demographic information; their inclusion is as justified as that of census data. Election results provide some information on how a county's population has changed over time- for example, the election results for Cobb County, Georgia can help demonstrate how quickly the county has suburbanized over the last few decades and how that suburbanization has caused shifts in the county's politics. Removing election results would have a noticeable effect on the amount of demographic information in Cobb County's article, as well as all other county articles. Chaidan (talk) 00:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Removing them strikes me as completely unjustified, given the high information density of these tables, and the fact that they can be collapsed down to take up less space. I see no reason why we should overturn so many years of precedent. Cpotisch (talk) 00:42, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I would just like to state my opposition to removing election information from county pages. That information strikes me as just as encyclopaedic as information on demographics or the barebones of history you’d expect from a county page. Election information has been on county pages since Moses wore short pants, and it seems most peculiar to strike them off the whim of a single editor working outwith the years-long consensus on this matter. Daniel.villar7 (talk) 05:24, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I would also like to oppose the removal of voting data. It is far more accessible on here than if it is only available at the town hall.
 * Also definitely encyclopedic as it gives a summary of the political history of the area. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 05:45, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Enough has been said already, but I'd also like to register my opposition to these changes in the hopes that this will serve as a reminder of what a terrible idea it is for one or two users to unilaterally seek to overturn a long-standing sectoral consensus based on their own over-zealous interpretation of a general rule.--Leptictidium (mt) 05:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I would just like to comment that there are some IPs and new accounts here because of this Twitter post Personisinsterest (talk) 14:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: I just want to make everyone aware that there's some WP:canvassing going on from Twitter. https://x.com/MikeMcLean00/status/1805690401938096150 - Di (they-them) (talk) 19:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I hate these weird Twitter people that look at articles from the outside and think they know what's best. Personisinsterest (talk) 19:48, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

= :I can't really add much, but it's clear to me that keeping the election results are absolutely within the realm of keeping Wikipedia as an encyclopedia. There is a clear consensus to me on this talk page on the view, and removing it would override years of precedent involving a large number of voices and people, in lieu of the views and voices of one. Walpole2019 (talk) 08:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

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