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Wikipedia talk:Section

Section edits on diffs
''The section editing feature in most cases does not work when the page is displayed with a table of differences between two versions (changes, cur, dif and last). First press Current revision.''

 * Could this be corrected? - Patrick 21:43, 29 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Is the claim correct that section edit wont work with the pre-first-header-section? I thought it will work (and is there, cluttering the text of the first line of the pre-first-header-section)? -- till we *) 11:03, Jul 30, 2003 (UTC)

 * You are right, I have corrected it now. - Patrick 11:41, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Inter-section edit conflicts
(moved from Wikipedia talk:Software updates)

Is there a reason why two people editing separate sections of an article generate edit conflicts? This makes it seem like the section editing is really just some syntactic sugar for "edit the whole page, but don't show it all to me in the edit box." Ideally separate sections could be edited without conflicts, though I have no idea how difficult this would be to implement. --Delirium 19:40, Jul 29, 2003 (UTC)

 * Difficult. We need a better, more general solution: a merging library that tries to merge two revisions. —Eloquence 06:32, Jul 30, 2003 (UTC)

 * I just tried it, I don't get an edit conflict. - Patrick 10:01, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)

 * Edit conflicts with yourself are always suppressed so you don't trigger one by repeatedly submitting an edit form. You can simulate them by opening a separate browser (not browser window) and using one browser where you're logged in and one where you aren't.—Eloquence 11:43, Jul 30, 2003 (UTC)

 * But if the server can replace, in the latest version of an article, a section with a newer version, what is the edit conflict about if someone else has just edited another section? Is the edit conflict procedure unnecessarily triggered? Or is my browser handling the whole article in the background and sending the modified whole article back? - Patrick 12:20, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)

 * It's not that simple, unfortunately. A person editing another section might have inserted new sections into that section, or removed the section entirely, thereby messing up the section count which the separate edit needs to insert its own section properly. Aside from that, we don't store the section number together with the other edit information, so the new edit has no information about which section was affected by the last one. We could do a diff, but that again would be quite complex. It would make more sense to just generally check if the two edits can be merged and do that it if possible, showing the user a diff after the merge.—Eloquence 12:25, Jul 30, 2003 (UTC)

 * No conflicts when different sections are edited will be introduced in version 1.3 of [www.mediawiki.org MediaWiki] --Iammaxus 23:42, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

A Simple Point Should Be Clarified
A first time user of the Wikipedia might well think that he can simply type text in the little text box.

But, reading to details, we find there are various cryptic looking codes to accomplish things.

It would be nice if the directions made it clear whether these codes form some kind well known system or whether they are unique only to the Wikipedia.

(I don't claim to know the answer, myself. Is it "html" ?) -- ( unsigned comment )

 * It's not HTML. As far as I know, is used in several different wikis, but alien to the rest of the world. // Pathoschild 01:43, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Table of contents in printable version
Moved from Village pump on Sunday, September 21st, 02003.

do people think the table of contents [showhide] thing should be displayed when looking at a printable version of something?

On paper, it's pretty easy just to scan an article for the headings you want without needing a toc. Tristanb 10:01, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)

 * The TOC should definitely be included on paper. You could argue that on a web page it is easier to find something as you can use ctrl F to search for something, whereas on paper you actually need to read it, so the TOC is probably more important on paper. Angela 10:25, Sep 14, 2003 (UTC)

 * What?? "Should definitely" -- Meaning the TOC "Must Absolutely" be included on paper? I find Id prefer to see the TOC minimized on the screen, (option to show) rather than on paper. The ideal would be having an option to show/hide on both screen and print. -戴&#30505sv 03:45, Sep 16, 2003 (UTC)

 * A choice would be nice, but in the absence of choice, I'd say it should be included. I assume you want the option before you print it. I read your message first thing this morning and was wondering how you could have such an option on paper. :) --Angela 18:49, Sep 16, 2003 (UTC)

 * Some long articles could fill numerous pages, seeming to justify a TOC with page numbers, but our typical article size (about 32K) does keep visual scanning practical. However, at least some links might benefit from page numbers. Deco 20:48, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

unwanted indents
Moved from Village pump on Thursday, September 25th, 02003.

Why do some pages (my homepage for example) appear with the first line of the first paragraph slightly indented? It is not very attractive. What would would be attractive (IMHO) would be a convention to have a three-line drop-capital (like this) at the start of each article. Perhaps the style committee could look into it. Dr Adam Carr 01:00, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)

This is a problem with the [edit] link. If you put two blank lines at the beginning of the article or page, it goes away. RickK 01:24, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Internal link trickiness
Moved from Village pump/March 2003 archive 2 on Thursday, September 25th, 02003.

At Timeline of trends in music (1980-present), there is a link for George Strait's album #7 in 1986, but the link functions as a self-link instead of leading to an article entitled #7. Is this a feature? If so, can it be fixed? Tuf-Kat

 * It's not precisely a self-link: it's linking to http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_trends_in_music_(1980-present)#7 - and a link I just tried in preview mode on this page linked to http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump&action=submit#7. My guess is that the # sign is making something somewhere think that is a link to a within-page anchor, not to another article. I have no idea how to fix this, apart from forbidding article names beginning with #.
 * --Paul A 03:23 Mar 10, 2003 (UTC)

 * The # character is reserved and is not allowed in page titles. They are allowed in links purely for the purpose of linking to internal anchors -- but the syntax for defining internal anchors has never been enabled, so they aren't much good. ;) --Brion 04:40 Mar 10, 2003 (UTC)

 * See Sharp-P for an article with this problem. You may wish to call your article Number 7 (album) and use . Deco 20:53, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Dash versus vertical bar
For the Compact TOC format, the first example shows just the letters from A-Z with a single space between them. I find it more aesthetic to use vertical bars to separate the letters. The climbing glossary and list of climbing topics use this format. I have noticed a lot of other pages using dashes instead. The benefit of the vertical bar is that it takes less pixels on the screen so a better chance the entire A-Z list will appear on one line instead of broken up which makes it a bit harder to read. I have not come across a documented standardized way of displaying this type of TOC. RedWolf 05:42, Jan 2, 2004 (UTC)

links and references
The article C programming language currently uses a style for links and references that seems more pleasing (at least to me) than the usual style. Especially when there are References, See also, and External links lists, then I'd like to see the style used in C programming language promoted as general usage. Bevo 20:12, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

unnumbered TOC possible?
Hope it's Ok to add my question here, I'm using sections in MER-A timeline and the TOC numbers each date. Is it possible, without creating my own in html, to have the TOC appear without numbers and without bullets, like this?

 * Introduction
 * 2003
 * 2004
 * 2004 January

The timeline used to be a monolithic list which I sectioned because
 * 1) it grew to over 32K
 * 2) it looked ugly
 * 3) one could not navigate to a particular date

 * No, there's no way of turning off the numbering. The only thing you can do is turn off the whole TOC using . Angela. 13:14, Mar 4, 2004 (UTC)

 * Well that isn't a solution since we need a TOC. Perl 20:25, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * That makes me wonder what the benefit of the numbers are in a TOC. They don't show up in the actual section labels, so you can't use them like you would page numbers (and I hope they never do show up on the labels).   Maybe we should lobby for some software change to simply stop generating the numbers.  - Bevo 20:43, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * They do show up in the section headings if you set this option in your preferences. Perhaps it would be best if the TOC was only numbered for those users who have the sections numbered? Angela. 23:33, Mar 5, 2004 (UTC)

 * How does one lobby for that? I have an example compact calendar-based TOC Talk:MER-B that I'd like to see somehow.

 * There's somewhere on something called SourceForge that you register requests for software enhancements and bug fixes. See Bug reports - Bevo 22:50, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * Feature suggestions can be entered at sourceforge, or discussed at MediaWiki feature request and bug report discussion on Meta. Angela. 23:33, Mar 5, 2004 (UTC)

I would also love to have the ability to turn off automatic numbering on certain Tables of Content. For example, Statutes, Regulations and Acts typically have their own numbering scheme for each section of the Statute, Regulation, Act, etc. When I make each mark each section of the law in order to generate a Table of Contents, I end up with the wiki numbering scheme for the TOC and also the law's numbering scheme, which does not look right. Banjolawyer 17:44, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Well, I had the problem to switch off auto-numbering in TOC; this was possible for my local installation of mediawiki 1.5.6 in includes/Linker.php line 763; I have comment-out the line concatenating tocnumber to tocLine, but this is global for the whole installation ! Besides, there SHOLD BE a parallel version of TOC without auto-numbering, call it NONUM_TOC, --Zangler Hartl 10:16, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Editing sections (from pump)
Why can't anon users edit sections? RickK

 * I'm guessing the section edit links are disabled by default because they could be confusing. I notice the default skin at the test wiki currently does show them for anons though - not sure whether that's a good thing or a bad thing... IMSoP 23:33, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * We're assuming that most anons are just readers, so they wouldn't want to look at edit links (and this is the way it should be, IMO the new skin shouldn't change this). Dori | Talk 02:39, Apr 23, 2004 (UTC)

 * "Anon" users can edit sections. I just did in order to make this comment... why would anyone think we can't? 213.232.66.5 22:35, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Redirect to section
The Five Boroughs contains less information than City of New York. Most of the info currently has to be maintained in both places. IMO, The Five Boroughs also tears the subject out of the valuable context of the City of New York article. But (as i learned by experimenting), overwriting The Five Boroughs with
 * #REDIRECT City of New York

has the same effect as
 * #REDIRECT City of New York

Sounds like a useful SMOP to me, to have the Wiki engine use the section info instead of ignoring it. Has there ever been discussion of doing so? --Jerzy(t) 18:12, 2004 May 13 (UTC)

 * According to How to edit a page, "Note that redirects to sections do not work yet. #REDIRECT United States will redirect to the United States page, but not to any particular section on it. It is possible this feature will be implemented in future, so such redirects could be used now for future compatibility." So, I guess it has been discussed, but not yet done. --Stormie 00:43, May 14, 2004 (UTC)

 * Out of interest, the reason this isn't as simple as it might seem is that currently, a redirect essentially replaces the content of a page, whereas the information telling the browser to focus on a particular header (the "#anchor" notation) is stored in the address. So, if you go to, say, New York City, the page's address is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City (as you'd expect) - but the content is the same as that of City of New York (the target of the redirect) with an additional "redirected from" note. In order to redirect to a section, the browser would have to be told somehow to add "#section_name" to its own address - possible, but not trivial. With the current system, the browser is completely unaware that a redirect has been used, as it is all processed by the server. - IMSoP 13:51, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

 * Let's brainstorm technical solutions (see downpage for more about why this feature is important). To repeat the original example, suppose the The Five Boroughs is a redirect to City of New York.

 * The content at that address is already modified to contain a note
 * (Redirected from The Five Boroughs)
 * Can't we at least change that note to something like
 * (Redirected from The Five Boroughs; jump to relevant section)
 * This useful hint will show up even if the user directly types the URL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Five_Boroughs. It would be easy to implement and is certainly better than nothing.

 * If the user clicks on "jump to relevant section", their location bar will show the ugly URL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Five_Boroughs#The_Five_Boroughs. We can improve this somewhat to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Five_Boroughs#sec if the content, when reached by a redirect, is modified to include not only the note above but also the anchor
 * at the appropriate point. The idea is that   is a standard and relatively unobtrusive suffix.
 * at the appropriate point. The idea is that   is a standard and relatively unobtrusive suffix.

 * If there is no "appropriate point" because the section has been revised out of existence, the note should say
 * (Redirected from The Five Boroughs; however, relevant section "The Five Boroughs" no longer exists under that title on this page)

 * Now let's consider how we can make this jump to the relevant section happen automatically, e.g., when the reader clicks on another page's link to The Five Boroughs.

 * Apparently Javascript can do it without modifying the URL! (See e.g., .)   So we can embed a little Javascript in the page content.  Browsers that support Javascript will jump automatically when the page is loaded.  For browsers that don't support Javascript, the reader can still click on "jump to relevant section" ... or the server or browser can fall back to one of the options below, which carry out the jump automatically without depending on Javascript, though at the cost of a slightly uglier URL.

 * Using reloads would let us continue to refer to the section using the ordinary URL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_five_boroughs. The server should respond to that ordinary URL with a page that immediately reloads http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_five_boroughs/#sec .  Note the subtle trailing / before #sec in this case.  Upon being told to reload, the browser asks the server for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_five_boroughs/ -- not quite the same URL as before!  The server responds to this new URL by returning the content, including the redirect notice at the top and the   in the middle.  The browser then follows the client-side   part and jumps to the section.

 * (To make a prettier URL for the Javascript case, the reload page could dynamically choose to reload either http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_five_boroughs/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_five_boroughs/#sec, according to whether Javascript is turned on or not. The prettier URL works with Javascript.)

 * (It is true that the prettier URL is not as portable. If the Javascript user mails it to a non-Javascript user, the latter will not get the automatic jump, but will have to click on "jump to relevant section."  If that's unacceptable, then an alternative is to have the original URL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_five_boroughs contain either the desired content or a reload of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_five_boroughs/#sec, according to whether Javascript is turned on.  If there's an efficient way to detect Javascript status at the server side, then it's easy to decide which one to generate.  If the decision needs to be made at the client side, then it's a bit inefficient: the pretty URL must make the server send the whole page content, but if the user's browser doesn't have Javascript, it will only pay attention to the part of the page that tells the browser to immediately reload the same content under a different URL.)

 * Wiki-internal links to The Five Boroughs could actually link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Five_Boroughs#sec . In other words, MediaWiki could recognize that the link page is actually a redirect to a section, and accordingly generate a link ending in #sec.

 * This can be combined with the previous solution. That is, suppose the ordinary URL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_five_boroughs will also work, by triggering a reload of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_five_boroughs/#sec as described above.  We may want still want to reduce server load by having wiki-internal links go directly to the latter URL (at least on wiki pages generated for a non-Javascript browser).

 * What do you think? 141.157.47.53 09:50, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Additionally, it could be argued that being taken to a the middle of a page when you thought you were going to view a whole article could be a bit confusing, although this is true to a certain amount with normal links to a section. - IMSoP 13:51, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

 * As you say, it is equally true with normal links to a section. If normal links to a section are allowed, then surely it is desirable to allow a redirect mechanism for them.  A strong reason is that such a redirect provides a stable URL to the section content.

 * As I develop this documentation wiki, I frequently find myself linking to sections. But my section links are fragile and sometimes break, because the section title may change in future, or the section eventually gets split out into its own page.  I'd feel much safer if I could instead link to a page that redirects to the correct section.  Then if something happens to the section, I only have to change the redirect page, not find all the links to the section (how?) and change them.

 * Certainly I'm glad MediaWiki allows section links. It would be much more disorienting to send the reader to the top of the page, as the section really is where the reader can find more information about the relevant technical feature.  (The page is a tutorial walkthrough of some group of related features.)  But the instability of these links is frustrating.  It also discourages me from moving a frequently referenced section into its own page, even when I know I should.  141.157.47.53 07:22, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * By the way, it would be nice if MediaWiki noticed when you seemed to be retitling a section, and made an attempt to correct both direct and redirect links to that section. This would stabilize section links somewhat.  But maybe it's too much to ask for ... 141.157.47.53 09:50, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Here's a radical solution, though it would require a lot of redesign and I'm not sure I like it. We could introduce a new kind of section link, perhaps referenced by City of New York/The_Five_Boroughs .  This would generate a URL such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_New_York/The_Five_Boroughs that would dynamically serve up only the relevant section (plus a link to the whole City of New York page if the reader wants to see more than just that section).  Redirects to this sectional page would work fine.  This mechanism would also make it possible to write very long pages (a.k.a. "books") and have them still be manageable via these path-style URLs.  Editing a sectional page would be equivalent to a section edit on the full page, which is already implemented.  141.157.47.53 09:50, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Templates do not restart numbering

 * Sections in a template do not appear in the TOC of the referring page. The automatic section numbering restarts with 1 at the beginning of a template, and continues with the section numbering of the referring page itself after the template.

I've removed these sentences because they appear to no longer be true. See, for example, my Sep 1st edit of How to edit a page, where the TOC numbering on the old version using the template is now screwed up even though it was working "as advertized" back in September when I made the edit. - dcljr 17:39, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Choosing TOC level
Is it possible to limit the TOC to a certain level? I would like to prevent the listing of sub-sub-sections...Perhaps a __TOC_LEVEL_2__ token? (I could have sworn I posted this message 24 hours ago, but I must have forgotten...) — David Remahl 09:04, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I would also like to see the same feature. – flamuraiTM 05:26, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * For example, see the TOC at Timpani which would be much more managable without the last level of headings displayed. – flamuraiTM 20:02, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes please! This feature would be invaluable! --Anonymous use, Dec 9th, 2005
 * I've added this idea to the Village Pump. --Tom Edwards 13:26, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Redirects to sections do work
Redirects to sections do work if you put a "w:" before the title.
 * #redirect Metasyntactic variable

However, you no longer get the "redirected from" message. Should this be mentioned in the help page or should it be hidden since it is not a recommended way to get a redirect? Angela. 16:34, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

 * Interesting. It is essentially an interwiki redirect to an internal page.  As I dislike interwiki redirects with a passion, I'd be in favor of supressing this trick. Gentgeen 19:47, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * As long as it doesn't produce any adverse effects and it is invisible to the user I don't see any reason to suppress it. —Mike 03:01, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

 * I just tried it. It no longer works and does not jump to the section. --70.16.27.74 18:37, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Right floating TOC
I would like to generate a discussion on the placement of the TOC within a page. I think on most wiki articles it actually looks a lot better of floated top right. Readers of English read from left to right, so having to TOC top right won't interfere with the initial reading of the subject matter. At the moment there can be a large white block underneath the intro which is used solely by the TOC on the left. If that list is long(ish) it just looks ugly. I spotted that Angela's talk page has a lot of info floated right, and copied the html to the Monmouth Rebellion page. This resulted in a much better looking page!

It has been deleted by a user claiming that it's not in the WS:MOS, but I can find no reference to the TOC with the MOS at all. I don't want to start an edit war, but I do think that a discussion on what actually looks good and readable is needed. Take a look at United States Senate for example. A long scroll past all the contents until the piece starts. Martin TB 16:35, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * The code added to Monmouth Rebellion was

 * If the TOC is going to be floated right, it needs to be done in a way which does not involve adding HTML to articles. It also needs to be consistent throughout, at least, the English Wikipedia, and preferably all Wikimedia projects. This can be changed in the global stylesheet to avoid needing to add the markup manually. I can't see any advantage to having some articles with a left TOC and some with a right. I do prefer a right-floating TOC, but I would oppose it if it was not applied globally and automatically. Angela. 17:19, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)

 * I like it on the left, and I doubt we need a policy. Maurreen 17:53, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I agree that it would need to be done globally without inline HTML or CSS. A floating right TOC makes some articles look better, but unfortunately it makes those that use the top-right area for images and infoboxes worse. --Mrwojo 18:04, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I rather like the way it eliminates all the ugly white space, but agree that this should be done consistently or not at all. FWIW, to see what it looks like (without having to dig through history) here's a link to the Martin TB's version of the Monmouth Rebellion article: . older ≠ wiser 18:18, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)

 * That looks better than I expected. But I wonder about the result for large tables. Maurreen 18:35, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * As stated above, I do agree that it could be problematic if there is a shortcut top right, but its not insurmountable. Pictures can be moved left quite easily, and there are some pages with pictures left, right and across the middle in a line! One real problem will be if the TOC is exceptionally wide, as is the case with United States Senate which has long chapter names. Nevertheless, I still feel that the TOC top right is much more aesthetically appealing. Martin TB 19:34, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I hadn't considered the problem with images. This example shows the TOC very badly placed so perhaps trying to have them right aligned when most images and tables are already right-aligned is not going to work. Angela. 19:37, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)

 * I've changed my .css file to incorporate right-floating TOCs. Here are two example screen schots.  Image:TOC Monmouth.png, Image:TOC San Jose.png.  I rather like the way they look. Gentgeen 19:40, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * That looks pretty good, actually - but I'd rather it was done without adding mark-up to the article. -- ALoan (Talk) 19:48, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Hi the "user" mentioned above was me :) - sorry, I thought I had replied here earlier but can't have saved my edit. I was going to say that this was the part of the MOS I was thinking of (not actually WP:MOS but not too far away either).  My concern was that TOC placement is reasonably standard (although NOTOC and the compact TOCs have their place) and I couldn't see a reason to adopt a non-standard TOC in this case.

 * I agree that white space to the right of the TOC can be problematic, although some people cleverly fill the space with a long image, and float-right TOC would avoid that problem, but, as others have pointed out, float-right TOCs will clash with float-right lead images and infoboxes and so on (particularly for antediluvian users of the classic skin - like me - for whom stacked floats don't work properly). -- ALoan (Talk) 19:43, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Genteen, could you please try your CSS with Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. An album page with a long TOC. I liked your screenshots, and thought the TOC placement looked good. Martin TB 19:49, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Ok, here it is. Image:TOC Sgt Pepper.png. Oh, by the way, there is no additional markup on the article page.  I've changed my stylesheet to make everything that is called "toc" float on the right side of the page.  Every page in the 'pedia with a TOC is displaying it this way right for me right now. Gentgeen 20:08, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * A number of articles I'm aware of float "category boxes" at the top-right linking to a number of similar topics, which might also conflict, but these seem to be moving to the bottom more often nowadays. However, if the TOC were confused with a category box, this might prove very confusing (imagine seeing History of Swartvenia in the box and not knowing if it's a section or a different article). Deco 00:11, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * White space can be good. It lets the page breathe. And readers are used to seeing tables of contents and similar matter on the left. Maurreen 03:46, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * From my own experience I would like to highly discourage making a floating TOC the standard rather than the exception. I have experimented with it in the past and finally settled on floating the TOC to the left in limited cases.  And after doing this on a few articles I finally got tired of typing in the formatting and created a template to do it for me (and make it more consistent).  First let me give you the limits that I believe would justify a float based on my experience:
 * 1) In the case of an article with one or more pages of text occuring before the first section header (see abbot), it is necessary to manually move the TOC near the top of the article. I floated the TOC in this case to keep from adding unnecessary white space at the beginning of the article.
 * 2) When the TOC is very long and there is no floating infoboxes or images in the way, I will float the TOC to the left. (see  Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain as an extreme example of this)
 * 3) I don't like to float the TOC when it is short. The previously cited example of Monmouth Rebellion is a good example of a TOC that is short enough that I wouldn't bother floating.
 * 4) I never float a wide TOC. The United States Senate is a good example of this.
 * 5) As was previously stated earlier in this discussion by others, images and infoboxes tend to be floated to the right so that the TOC can't be floated in many cases. If the TOC were floated it would cause a thin column of text to appear.  I for one don't run my browser at full screen because I'm shifting back and forth between it and my word processor, etc. and anything more than one moderately wide floating item across any single line of text doesn't look very good.  The formats used by Gentgeen would not look as nice on my system because they require more screen real estate than I have.  Floating TOCs should be limited to cases where there is no other floating item in the way.
 * Additionally I want to mention that using a "div" to float the TOC is not good as it doesn't work properly in every case. A table has to be used instead.  The template I'm using for floating the TOC to the left uses this proper table formatting (and you will also notice it uses a class rather than a style statement).  The template is named Template:TOCembed.  Ciao. —Mike 04:10, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

 * Please note that Template:TOCembed has been nominated for deletion. It is been discussed on Templates for deletion, and i suggest that peopel here with a strong opnion on thsi subject join that discussion. DES 17:40, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

My preference is for the status quo, with the TOC at the left, non-floating. I think that the option to have a right|float TOC could be offered in the user's preferences. Noisy | Talk 15:46, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I kinda like it. See example. The only issue will be with articles with long TOCs and right-aligned tables/images. But I hate long TOCs anyway so those should be cut down in size by deleting un-needed section titles and splitting longer articles. --mav 21:00, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I recall the discussion when TOC's were introduced and many of us argued for floating TOC's so as to avoid unproportionately large white spaces, orphaned introductory sentences, and TOC's popping up several screens into the article. I hope this finally gets implemented. mydogategodshat 05:02, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

This is a nice idea; it breaks up the article much less. The CSS should probably include "clear: both" to avoid interfering with floating images or tables. -- ᓛᖁ  [ ᑐ ] 10:36, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Section Editing for the First section?
Can someone tell me how to use it? (I right-clicked and nothing happened.) Thanks. AirBa 18:26, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * When editing the first section I just click the Edit tab for the whole page…Barefootguru 21:25, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Merged?
Considering that none of the information/guidelines on Headings is included on this page, in what way can the former be considered "merged" into the latter? Hyacinth 21:38, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

More on floating TOCs
The guidelines on left and right floating TOCs now on the page were a result of discussion and a poll at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style, and should be considered to have achieved consensus as guideliens, IMO. the discussion was advertised at WP:RFC and at the village pump for over a month. DES (talk) 23:05, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Forcing TOC
Is it possible to force a TOC onto a page even if a user has their preferences set to suppress the TOC normally? Rossami (talk) 13:06, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Article section: Opening a link in a header in a new window
"When right click editing is enabled, you cannot right click a link in a header to open it in a new window, etc. However most browsers have an alternative way of doing that (Mozilla: middle click, ctrl+left click, type ahead find, TAB navigation; Opera: middle click, shift+left click, ctrl+shift+left click; IE: shift+left click)."

First I'm not sure how appropriate a how-to-use-your-browser section is for this article, because it verges on being off-topic. Second, I don't really understand what this person is talking about. What is right click editing? Is this user talking about the very minor issue of a link in a section header not appearing in the TOC? (e.g. ==Hello, World== would not have a link to the Hello, World article within the TOC but a link to the "#Hello, World" section within the same page.) —Tokek 22:07, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Update: Apparently it was introduced with this edit, migrated from a bug report / feature request and a response to that over at Software updates. Removing section from this article as non-notable/irrelevent, and frankly a non-issue because you can click on the section link in the TOC and then click on the link in the section header. —Tokek 22:24, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * This refers to an option in preferences which, using javascript, opens an edit page when you right-click on a heading. — Dan | Talk 02:52, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Very long lists
The first page of Category:Redirects from title without diacritics ends at Augusto B. Leguia, so you have to click   many times. Inserting a TOC apparently didn't help much. It would be great if we had TOCs that, when users click on the letter <Q>, direct them to the first page of all entries that start with the letter Q. Do we have such TOCs or can somebody create them for use with all similar pages? Thanks in advance. – Wikipeditor 07:17, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * CategoryTOC —Cryptic (talk) 22:21, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. – Wikipeditor 10:17, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Display the TOC of a different page
Is it possible to display the TOC of another page (with links to the various sections)? Sort of like an index page.

"See also" line or section
There were minor differences in the parallel text on MoS. First, I tried harmonizing the two. On second thought, it just seemed better to merge the text there, as this was the only explicitly named section here.

However, MoS is getting rather large, and several other topics have been moved to a separate page. Shouldn't all the MoS Sections section be merged here, instead? (That's a bigger merge, thus more controversial, but it should be relatively clean here.)
 * --William Allen Simpson 00:56, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

{Main}, {See}
What's going on, there are undiscussed changes?
 * --William Allen Simpson 00:22, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

See also to bottom of page?
Over my time on Wikipedia, I have noticed that, at the bottom of the page, after all of the standard appendices, there tend to be a lot of link farms (including the succession tables). At first, I was going to propose that we create a new standard appendix, named "Navigation", for these tables and it would occur last on the page. (It would have the additional advantage of "containing" the categories, which are another navigational aid.) Then it occurred to me that we already have a "Navigation" section, named "See also".

So why aren't editors putting the link farms in the "See also" section? One reason may be aesthetics, but there is also a far more compelling reason: usability. For any lengthy article, it is much easier to slam that scroll bar to the bottom of the page than it is to carefully navigate to a section in the middle of the page. Thus, it is much easier to find navigational controls when they are at the bottom of the page. Therefore, I am going to make the following suggestion:

 * Should we move the "See also" section to the last section in the article, after "External links" and "References"?

— DLJessup (talk) 00:14, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Interesting. It's a good question. "See also" at bottom is certainly more useful for those who are looking to navigate away from the page they're on quickly, but it's more useful to immediately follow the text for those who are reading the entry top to bottom.

One thing occurs to me, though. We do not link under "See also" articles that are wikilinked inside the article text, unless the article is very long and the link to the article is non-obvious. So the presumption is already that "See also" users have already read the article text. So "See also" is already hostile to the use pattern you describe of "[slamming] that scroll bar". Seems that for consistency's sake, a change to move "See also" to the bottom should be coordinated with a change to what's allowable in the "See also" section, so that articles that are already linked in the article text can be included as well. --TreyHarris 01:53, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm…. Maybe my first impulse was the correct one: there should be separate "See also" and "Navigation" sections. Where succession tables, link farms, and categories come in handy is when one is looking to navigate through classes of articles. For example, if I'm trying to pull together some information on several different presidential elections, I'll go to U.S. presidential election, 1789, skim until I find the information for that election, and then I'll want to jump to the next article as quickly as possible. As you point out, this isn't what you'd do in the "See also" links. An easy way to differentiate between the two sections is that "See also" would be for singleton links and "Navigation" would be for link groups.

— DLJessup (talk) 04:22, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

The only justification that I could see for creating a Navigation section would be so that it appears in the TOC. The "link farms" (or what I assume you really mean is "navigational templates") are already distictively set off from the rest of the text and do not need a section header just for them. I disagree that a new section header is needed or that the "See also" header and its internal links should be moved below the external links. Though I do agree with TreyHarris that section is a little sparse sometimes. —Mike 04:34, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

I can actually think of another justification: sensible edit summaries (right now, when people edit navigational templates, it tends to show up under "External links" or "References"). I also disagree with you in that I think that the navigational templates tend to appear to be part of the "External links" or "References" sections; while images are similarly distinctively set off, no one has any trouble associating them with the section they fall under.

— DLJessup (talk) 14:30, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Where should the Bibliography go?
Currently, Guide to layout talks about a Bibliography section, but the preferred order in the "Appendix sections" section of this page doesn't show where to put the Bibliography. I would prefer to put it between References and External links. What does everyone else think? T J McKenzie 07:07, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for fixing the change from Standardized to Standard. When folks change section headers, they forget to check for all references.

 * I always thought the Standard Appendices was the correct order. Let's list them all here, too. Heck, I see that Quotations is now deprecated, so let's toss that one.  And Filmographies seems to be inactive now.  Always a problem to keep things synchronized!
 * --William Allen Simpson 19:27, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for sorting that out. T J McKenzie 23:51, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Has this been sorted out? Or did someone change the " 'Appendix sections' section of this page", as T J puts it, since February? Please take a look at my related Wikipedia talk:Citing sources post, as well. --J. J. 21:39, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

“Navigation” as standard appendix

 * The following proposal is an outgrowth of, where I received a decent explanation for why navigational templates aren't located under “See also” and why “See also” is located where it is.

I have been convinced for a while now that there needs to be a separate standard appendix, named “Navigation”, for navigational templates. First of all, under current practices, the navigational templates appear to be part of one of the other standard appendices, usually “External links” or “References”. Moreover, most edits to the navigational templates show up under those standard appendices in the page history because the editor almost invariably uses the section edit link. (Who wants to deal with more wikitext in the edit box than they have to?) As a bonus, the categories and language links will also fall under “Navigation” and will be similarly displayed in the edit history.

This also helps work against another confusion: why aren't the navigational templates located under “See also”? By creating a separate template for single article links and navigational templates, it helps prevent a confused newbie (such as myself, long ago) from wanting to move navigational templates there.

— DLJessup (talk) 17:29, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * To clarify, you're referring to Navigational_templates, right? I agree with others (from your initial topic above) that an additional section is not necessary since there are dozens of other "footers" that are commonly added at the bottom, as well. I mention this issue briefly at Wikipedia_talk:Citing_sources; you may be interested. --J. J. 21:32, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

WP policy, if any, on a "Quotes section"?
I know WP is not supposed to have articles that are just lists of quotes (actually, there's an exception I find a little confusing: "Of course, there is nothing wrong with having lists if their entries are famous because they are associated with or significantly contributed to the list topic"). However, is a quotes section of an article frowned upon as well? I can't seem to find a policy on that; is there one? Шизомби 04:51, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, found it here Guide to layout. Maybe it should be mentioned under Section. Шизомби 08:08, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Searching sections?
Is there a way to search for text that appears in section headings, just as it is possible to search article titles? Шизомби 04:51, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

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Öland

Öland (, ; ; sometimes written Oland internationally; Oelandia) is the second-largest Swedish island and the smallest of the traditional provinces of Sweden. Öland has an area of 1,342 km2 and is located in the Baltic Sea just off the coast of Småland. The island has over 26,000 inhabitants.

It is separated from the mainland by the Kalmar Strait and connected to it by the 6 km Öland Bridge, which opened on 30 September 1972. The county seat Kalmar is on the mainland at the other end of the bridge and is an important commercial centre related to the Öland economy. The island's two municipalities are Borgholm and Mörbylånga named after their municipal seats. Much of the island is farmland, with fertile plains aided by the mild and sunny weather during summer.

Öland does not have separate political representation at the national level, and is fully integrated into Sweden as part of Kalmar County.

Administration
The traditional provinces of Sweden no longer serve administrative or political purposes but still exist as historical and cultural entities. Öland is part of the administrative county of Kalmar County (Kalmar län) and consists of the two municipalities of Borgholm Municipality and Mörbylånga Municipality. There was an Öland County in the short period between 1819 and 1826; otherwise, the island has been part of Kalmar County since 1634.

Heraldry

Öland was granted provincial arms in 1560, but it would not be until the 1940s that the province was assigned its proper ones. The arms granted to Öland had been mixed up with the arms granted to Åland and this was not discovered until the 20th century. While Öland changed its coat of arms, Åland, which was now a Finnish (autonomous) province, kept its established but originally unintended coat of arms. The deer is meant to symbolize the status of Öland as a royal game park and the arms are topped by a ducal crown. Blazon: "Azure a Deer Or attired, hoofed and gorged Gules".

History

Archaeological evidence indicates the island of Öland was settled about 8000 BC, with excavations dating from the Paleolithic era showing the presence of hunter-gatherers. In the early Stone Age, settlers from the mainland migrated across the ice bridge that connected the island across the Kalmar Strait.

Evidence of habitation of Öland occurred at least as early as 6000 BC, when there were Stone Age settlements at Alby and other locations on the island. Burial grounds from the Iron Age through the Viking Age are clearly visible at Gettlinge, Hulterstad and other places on the perimeter ridge including stone ships. There are nineteen Iron Age ringforts identified on the island, only one of which, Eketorp, has been completely excavated, yielding over 24,000 artifacts. Around 900 AD, Wulfstan of Hedeby called the island "Eowland", the land of the Eowans: "Then, after the land of the Burgundians, we had on our left the lands that have been called from the earliest times Blekingey, and Meore, and Eowland, and Gotland, all which territory is subject to the Sweons; and Weonodland [the land of the Wends] was all the way on our right, as far as Weissel-mouth."

However, this is not the first mention of the Eowans. There is an even earlier mention of the tribe in the Anglo-Saxon poem Widsith:

Scholars such as Schütte and Kendrick have pointed out that there was probably an even earlier mention of the people of Öland in 98 AD, by Tacitus, who called them the "Aviones":

"After the Langobardi come the Reudigni, Auiones, Angli, Warini, Eudoses, Suarines and Nuithones all well guarded by rivers and forests. There is nothing remarkable about any of these tribes unless the common worship of Nerthus, that is Earth Mother, is considered. They believed she was interested in men's affairs and walked among them. On an island in the ocean sea there is a sacred grove where a holy wagon covered by a drape awaits."

In Swedish history, the island long served as a royal game park; Ottenby and Halltorp were in particular selected by the Swedish Crown in the Middle Ages as royal game reserves.

Geography
Öland is the second largest of the islands of Sweden and was historically divided into one chartered city and five hundreds.

Cities and villages

 * Alby
 * Bläsinge
 * Borgholm (1816)
 * Gårdby
 * Gettlinge
 * Eriksöre
 * Fagerum
 * Färjestaden
 * Hulterstad
 * Köpingsvik
 * Mörbylånga
 * Norra Möckleby
 * Öjkroken
 * Ottenby
 * Seby
 * Segerstad
 * Södra Sandby
 * Stenåsa

Hundreds

 * Åkerbo Hundred
 * Algutsrum Hundred
 * Gräsgård Hundred
 * Möckleby Hundred
 * Runsten Hundred
 * Slättbo Hundred

Facts

 * Highest Hill: Högsrum, 55 m
 * Largest lake: Hornsjön
 * Length: 137 km
 * Width (at widest point): 16 km

Climate
Öland has a semi-continental oceanic climate with considerable temperature differences between summer and winter. There are two main weather stations, one located at the northern edge and the other at the southern edge. In spite of the more northerly latitude, Öland's northern edge is far milder than its southern edge, since air warm over greater surrounding landmasses during days, whilst retaining heavy maritime features during night. It is also more representative for the island's general climate, with only the deep south being much cooler down a narrow peninsula.

Environment

The dominant environmental feature of the island is the Stora Alvaret, a limestone pavement which is the habitat of numerous rare and endangered species. The first known scientific study of the biota of the Stora Alvaret occurred in the year 1741 with the visit of Linnaeus. The underlying bedrock layer is mainly Cambrian sandstone and alum chert, and Ordovician limestone that dates from an approximate range of 540 to 450 million years ago. The Cambrian trilobite Eccaparadoxides oelandicus is named after the island.

Öland is served by a perimeter highway, Route 136. In 2011 the Gripen Gas company filed a request for test drilling on Öland for natural gas. The request was approved by Bergsstaten, the governmental agency responsible for handling geological issues regarding prospecting. The approval has been met with criticism on the municipal and county administrative levels, citing that the many cracks in the limestone bedrock could cause the groundwater to become contaminated by the gas prospecting.

Culture
The Borgholm Castle was built between 1669 and 1681 for Queen Hedvig Eleonora, and designed by Nicodemus Tessin the Elder. In its vicinity sits the Solliden Palace, summer home to the royal family.

The limestone pavement habitat of southern Öland, known as Stora Alvaret, has been entered as a site of the UNESCO World Heritage program. Features of this are the many rare species found; prehistory sites such as Gettlinge and Eketorp; numerous old wooden windmills left standing, some of which date to the 17th century; and the special geological alvar landscape.

For a decade, Öland has been organizing an annual harvest festival called Skördefesten that takes place every October. In terms of this event, the island's farmers gather with farmers from the rest of the country and sell their crops and let those that are interested take part in everyday life on their farms, among other activities. There are also many art exhibitions for display during Skördefesten especially during the art night Konstnatten.

The romantic poet Erik Johan Stagnelius was born in the Öland parish of Gärdslösa in 1793 and lived there until 16 years of age. He wrote several poems about the island. More modern writers living on or writing about Öland include novelist Margit Friberg (1904–1997), poet Anna Rydstedt (1928–1994), novelist Birgitta Trotzig (1929-2011), poet Lennart Sjögren (1930-), children novelist Eva Bexell (1945-), poet Tom Hedlund (1945-), novelist Johan Theorin (1963-), poet and novelist Magnus Utvik (1964-) and novelist Per Planhammar (1965-).

Skördefest
Skördefest is an annual harvest festival on Öland, held every September, which attracts thousands of visitors. Pumpkins are placed upon the top of bales of hay, a signal to buyers that fall harvest goods are available for sale at the location. In Borgholm, a pumpagubbe (pumpkin man), a large scarecrow like figure, built entirely of gourds, is erected at town center. The pumpagubbe celebrates the bounty of the Fall Harvest.

Sports
Football in the province is administered by Smålands Fotbollförbund. Each year the King's Rally, a vintage motorcade, takes place in Öland.

Battles

 * Battle of Öland (1563)
 * First battle of Öland (1564)
 * Battle of Öland (1676)
 * Battle of Öland (1789)

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Talk:Corcoran, California

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Plagiarized text
The following is good information, but it was apparently cut-and-pasted by 206.78.255.34 from the City of Corcoran website. Don't replace it; paraphrase and cite it properly. Michael Patrick (talk) 19:52, 18 March 2008 (UTC) About Corcoran

Even before Corcoran was “Corcoran”, the small town has always been and remains today a major part of the state of California and the central San Joaquin Valley. At the turn of the 20th century Corcoran served as a junction for the San Francisco and San Joaquin Valley Railroad. The junction, a regular stop for four daily trains, consisted of a platform from which business transactions were handled for trains entering from the north, south and easterly directions.

Unsure of where the town'ss name came from, it has been narrowed down to two individuals prominently mentioned throughout history. General Corcoran, a San Joaquin Valley pioneer, operated a steamboat between Stockton and Tulare Lake. Thomas Corcoran a railroad superintendent worked for the Santa Fe Railroad, which eventually bought out both the San Francisco and San Joaquin Valley lines.

H. J. Whitley, a prominent land developer from southern California, took the lead in building Corcoran (the main street of the community is named in his honor). Liking what he saw during a visit to the area in 1905 (a blacksmith shop, small store, scattered homes and a lush, untapped vista with herds of grazing wild hogs, horses and steers) Whitley purchased 32,000 acres to start development and moved a member of his real estate firm, J. W. Guiberson, to the area. Guiberson became one of the many pioneers of the community, building the first home and business structure in Corcoran. His family also helped establish the first church in the community, an event which helped lead to the town’s incorporation on August 14, 1914. The basis of Corcoran’s economy then and now is agriculture. Initially, the most successful crops were grains, alfalfa and sugar beets.

A Small Yet Thriving Community

Founded in 1925, the J. G. Boswell Company, engaged in both agriculture and real estate, is one of the largest irrigated farming operations in the world. The company is totally vertically integrated, with its largest farm, and the processing division, located in Corcoran. Primary crops are Pima cotton, alfalfa hay, tomatoes, onions, and wheat. The company employs approximately 1200 people.

One of Corcoran’s industries is the state prisons. Corcoran State Prison (Corcoran I), completed in 1989 the facility is the state’s largest prison. To date, the prison employs 1,900 individuals, and houses 4,951 prisoners. California Substance Abuse Treatment Facility and State Prison (Corcoran II) completed in 1997 this prison also has a 21 bed hospital wing addition. To date this prison employs 1,745 individuals and houses around 7,000 prisoners.

Corcoran leaders are continuing to push for additional industries to further solidify and diversify the local economic base. Homac Manufacturing Co.,Virtus Nutrition LLC, Buttonwillow Warehouse, Pemberton Construction are all located at one of the city’s industrial parks. Currently the City is working on an additional industrial park to allow for growth. Downtown you will find a Rite Aid pharmacy, and many different fast food restaurants like McDonalds, Taco Bell, Subway, and three different pizza parlors.

Located in the heart of the Central Valley, Corcoran’s population, excluding prison inmates as of 2005 stands at 10,577. The community is served by a branch of the Kings County library, and a weekly newspaper – The Corcoran Journal. The Corcoran Unified School District offers kindergarten through 12th grade classes with three elementary schools, one junior high and one high school. West Hills College and College of the Sequoias (C.O.S.) serve the local community college needs in nearby Lemoore, Hanford and Visalia with C.O.S. classes being offered in Corcoran as well.

Youth interested in agricultural pursuits will find a Future Farmers of America program at the high school agricultural department as well as traditional 4-H activities through the Corcoran 4-H Club. Service organizations of the community include the Rotary, Kiwanis and Lions groups, American Legion, Corcoran Guild of Valley Children’s Hospital, Corcoran 50-50 Club, auxiliary to the Corcoran District Hospital, and other fraternal and professional groups.

Over 18 churches call Corcoran home. Corcoran’s recreation program boasts nine public parks and four playgrounds. The YMCA sports a $3 million facility complete with saunas, Jacuzzis, racquetball courts and weight room, while other city recreational opportunities include lighted tennis courts, state of the art baseball diamonds, soccer fields, skate park, complete Senior Center, newly renovated city swimming facility boasting an Olympic size swimming pool with a 162 ft. water slide, a children’s swimming pool and an extensive recreation program. Five public golf courses can be reached in less than 30 minutes. The city is just two hours away from the Pacific Ocean and a one hour drive from the Sierra Nevada Mountain range.

Rail passenger service is offered by Amtrak, which serves Corcoran with 6 Northbound and 6 southbound trains daily. Greyhound bus connections can be made in Tulare, with plans for a local connection in the near future. Existing single family homes range from $175,000 to $280,000 while rentals for one and two bedroom apartments and duplexes from $650 to $705 per month and two to three bedroom houses rent from $700 to $1,100 per month, depending on location and amenities.

Remaining civic areas of interest include: Police Department – Twenty-one full time personnel including 15 uniformed officers, five clerk-dispatchers and two reserve officers. Fire Department – Thirteen full time firemen and nine volunteers. Industrial sites – There are approximately 320 acres in the city limits zones for light and heavy industry with two industrial parks included in this total.

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Talk:Dalarna

Plural?
Dalarna is or Dalarna are? Dalarna is a plural name, therefore I think we should use the verbs in plural or change it to Dalecarlia.

 * If we can have "The Netherlands is" four times in the intro of the Netherlands article, then we can have "Dalarna is" as well. -- Jao 12:23, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

See also "The United States ... is a republic" in the opening sentence on the United States. Campolongo (talk) 08:20, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * This place name is singular, even if the word that it's based on is plural. SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:05, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Adjective form?
Hello! I'm working on the Runic alphabet article, and I'd love to know the adjective form of Dalarna. Should I write "Dalaran runes" or "Dalarna runes" or "Runes from Dalarna" or "Dalecarlian runes" or something else entirely?

I'd like to be consistent with the rest of Wikipedia, and use the modern preferred form. I just don't know what that is! :-) Thank you for any advice you may have. emk 13:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I'd say "Dalecarlian runes". Dalecarlia is still a standard form in English, at least for historically interested. But "runes of Dalarna ", "runes from Dalarna", etc , can't be wrong either. I don't think there is a modern preferred form for the Swedish provinces; if you have seen a particular form being used in scholarly literature related to the subject, you could simply use it. / Fred-Chess 13:27, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks! I know that Wikipedia has been leaning towards the Swedish names, as described on Swedish Wikipedians' notice board:

 * The Swedish province articles were moved from Latin to Swedish names in May/June, e.g Ostrogothia --> Östergötland. If you see Latin provincial names, you are encouraged to change them, except in the case of Scania where both Skåne and Scania are OK forms. Arguments or comments can be presented at Talk:Skåne.

 * So I'm inclined to go with "runes from Dalarna" or even "Dalarna runes". But if people feel that Dalecarlian is the best adjective (even when we're using Dalarna as the noun), I'm happy to go with that. Many thanks for your prompt advice! :-) emk 14:14, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Dalecarlia is not as markedly used in the English language as Scania is, I would think this is because Scania has been in active use in the English language. Most other provinces are rarely refered to and have to be re-introduced, when the Swedish name has become the standard form. "Dalecarlia" is however in some use so it's not wrong, although Dalarna is probable more commons. Again, I'd say it depends on what the established practice in the particular field is -- a historian would probably be inclinded to Dalecarlia, while a Swedish native would use Dalarna. I don't know what literature you are using when writing about the Runes, but I would suggest you use the same term they are using. / Fred-Chess 16:33, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Although I learned Swedish as a second language, I strongly prefer to call provinces by their local names.  Typical English texts about Sweden avoid using the Latinized names as nouns:  I seldom see American authors call Dalarna, Skåne, or Västergötland by any names but those.

 * To the best of my knowledge, only two Latinized provincial adjectives ("Dalecarlian" and "Scanian") are well established in English. I have nothing against those words, although a paraphrase with the Swedish name may sound better in some contexts.  ISNorden 22:59, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

 * The local name of Dalecarlia is Dalir (often the dative Dalum is used as well), not "Dalarna" which is the standard Swedish form. I would prefer Dalecarlia (n.) and Dalecarlian (adj.) in an English speaking article. // Jens Persson (213.67.64.22 18:50, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

 * No it's not. That's some obscure village dialect, and there's countless of those and some are completely incomprehensible, like Älvdalska which should be considered a language of it's own. Dalir and Dalum have no meaning in Dalarna, except maybe for a few elderly people in a certain limited geographical region. // Lucia 11:47, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Of course, I was referring to the genuine proper Dalecarlian dialects, i.e. "äkta dalmål" in Swedish. In the other parts of Dalecarlia (in "Improper Dalecarlia"), people of course have non-Dalecarlian names for the region, perhaps Dalane or whatever they might say in genuine dialect.
 * Jens Persson (130.242.128.119 21:22, 13 October 2006 (UTC))

Many of our really good sources are in Swedish! :-) A Google test seems to strongly prefer "Dalecarlian runes", though:

 * "Dalecarlian runes": 893
 * "Dalrunes": 141 (mostly Wikipedia clones)
 * "Dalarna runes": 3
 * "Dalarnan runes": 0 (not counting the article in question)

On the other hand, Category:Runestones shows a heavy preference for Swedish province names, so it looks like we'll be writing something like "The Dalecarlian runes come from the Swedish province of Dalarna", which needlessly obscures the connection. Let me think about this. :-)

Thank you for your advice! emk 17:51, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

 * In Swedish, when something is from or of Dalarna it can be named Dala-somehing. Example: "Dala Horse".
 * So "Dala Runes" would also be correct.

 * The form "Dala" is an old Swedish genitive plural form, and it can only be used in a Swedish speaking context. (Well, it would be "Dala-" in Icelandic and Faroese as well.) // Jens Persson (213.67.64.22 18:52, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

Lars Bäckman = Swedish Chef?
Lars Bäckman may well come from Dalarna; he may well be notable to Swedes (and a few foreigners interested in Scandinavian food). But he didn't inspire the Swedish chef, according to Muppet Show writer Jerry Juhl. --Ingeborg S. Nordén 23:00, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Juhl appears to have not had the complete picture. Read:
 * ''After some time [after the show], Kuprik was contacted by Jim Henderson who wondered if he could sign a release for the recorded performance. The chef was payed 80 dollars for the material, but little did he know what it was to be used for.
 * ''Jim looked at the tape and transformed the characteristics of Lars to one of his puppets. And so, the Swedish chef was born.
 * ( Source: http://www.somasoma.de/1/somarest1.htm )
 * However, why is he considered notable?
 * Fred-Chess 00:06, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, now that claim looks like Jerry's word against two others'; I'm not sure who to believe. As for Jerry Juhl's notable status:  his bio on Wikipedia and another on this specialized Wiki should answer your question.  --Ingeborg S. Nordén 00:38, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It is evident that Jerry Juhl didn't know the full story, reading the link you provided Juhl said something like "Jim Henson didn't mention it and he would have it was true" which only reflects on Juhl's lack of knowledge.
 * Secondly, I was not referring to how notable Jerry Juhl is, but how notable Lars Bäckman is and whether he should be counted among "notable people from Dalarna"?!
 * Fred-Chess 08:24, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Please excuse my misunderstanding; I'll answer the question you intended in the first place. I began by making the following four Google searches--

 * "Lars Kuprik" in English: 9 non-Wiki hits
 * "Lars Kuprik" in Swedish: 454 non-Wiki hits (!)
 * "Lars Bäckman" plus "Dalarna/Dalecarlia/Dalecarlian" to distinguish him from non-Dalecarlians bearing the name; in English: 4 non-Wiki hits
 * "Lars Bäckman" plus "chef" or "cook" to rule out those with other occupations; in English: 54 non-Wiki hits
 * "Lars Bäckman" plus "Dalarna" or "Leksand" (his hometown); in Swedish: 149 non-Wiki hits
 * "Lars Bäckman" plus "kock/kökschef" alternatives (with or without articles), to rule out namesakes with other occupations; in Swedish: 49 non-Wiki hits

 * The statistics above lead me to conclude that Lars (by either of his names) is notable enough in his own country but not in the English-speaking world. --Ingeborg S. Nordén 18:46, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

landskap = län?
User:Lordmetroid inserted the tag "It has been suggested that this article or section be merged with Dalarna county." into the article about the province of Dalarna. But province=landskap and county=län in the system of swedish administration is not the same, as you surely know as a native speaker of Swedish. So it doesn't make sence to mix the articles about the historical landskap and the modern administrative unit län, even if in the case of Daralna the province "has virtually the same boundaries as the corresponding" county, as all the articles about provinces and counties are linked.

OK?

ThomasPusch 06:02, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

 * I don't really know what is meant by "virtually" here. Dalarna, just as Blekinge and Gotland (but no other provinces ) is exactly geographically identical to its county. However, that's certainly not a good reason to merge the articles. They might be about the same area, but just as you point out, they're about very different concepts. As Lordmetroid now seems to agree, I will simply remove the tag. -- Jao 07:53, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

 * They are different, the top right "ear" on the map is part of the landskap, but not the län (I might recall this backwards, but either way, that "ear" is what differs). It's not like anyone lives there, so it's not an issue of huge importance, though.212.85.68.44 11:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Actually, I should have read the article first, as the "virtually" is defined clearly. It seems that Dalarna's County Council and Statistics Sweden disagree on the borders of Dalarna. I just sent an inquiry to the former asking for an explanation of this. -- Jao 08:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

 * I should update about this. I had simply missed a footnote at the bottom of the cited Statistics Sweden page, saying that split parishes had not been taken into account. Since then, that page has been updated to show the correct numbers even in such cases. As it turns out, of Dalarna's 276,000 inhabitants, 329 live in Gävleborg County, 176 in Västmanland County, 37 in Värmland County, and 5 Dalecarlians probably feel very special for living in Örebro County. The other way around, Dalarna County includes 204 people in Västmanland, 7 in Härjedalen, 5 in Hälsingland and 2 in Gästrikland. All numbers from 2006. -- Jao 12:15, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Merge Dalarna County with this
They're the same thing, and that article is smaller. Even if there are subtle differences in boundary (which can be noted), the province and the county are almost identical things. The physical realities and histories are shared. LokiClock (talk) 15:11, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

 * No. They are two different entities. Dalarna (landskapet Dalarna) is a historical province without any administrative or politcal significance. Dalarna county (Dalarnas län) is a presentday administrative subdivision of Sweden under a governor (landshövding). In the case of Gotland there are even three different entities (a province, a county and a municipality) all with the same territory, but with three different articles.--Muniswede (talk) 23:17, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Please don't remove a merge template until there is a consensus. The point of them is to raise awareness with other editors so they can have their say. The difference between a county, historical province, and administrative subdivision is not the issue. The issue is whether or not this particular historical province needs a separate article from the county with the same name and mostly the same territory. Consider the article for China. China itself has a much more volatile territorial, political, and historical definition, but that doesn't mean every possible way you can cut up the country needs its own article. When people read about the county they should learn about its history in the same place. LokiClock (talk) 09:37, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

 * I strongly doubt that there could ever be a consensus for a merger. Everybody in Sweden knows that landskap and län are two quite different concepts which should not be messed up. There are 25 landskap (historical or traditional provinces) and there are 21 län (administrative provinces, normally translated as "counties" in English). Sometimes they have the same name (12 cases). But only in two cases they have the same boundaries (Blekinge - Blekinge County and Gotland - Gotland County. In this case Dalarna County is not congruent with Dalarna. Parts of Dalarna are in other counties, but Dalarna County also includes parts of other provinces. Even if the differences in some cases are small it is much better not to mix up the things! --Muniswede (talk) 22:22, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Well, since you'd know better than I, I added distinguish templates. LokiClock (talk) 10:06, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Move to Dalecarlia

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:32, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Dalarna → Dalecarlia — The Swedish name is a phonetic impediment to English readers, especially in reading aloud, and this English exonym has been widely used in English literature for centuries (see references in lede). SergeWoodzing (talk) 01:05, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

 * Support WP:UE 65.93.12.93 (talk) 05:48, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:UE says nothing about using "traditional" forms accompanied bare assertion of actual usage. Clear (repeated) misunderstanding of a simple policy. Knepflerle (talk) 22:27, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Exonyms are seldom used for Swedish provinces. Scania (Skåne) is the most notable exception. Dalecarlia for Dalarna is also possible. But I think nowadays Dalarna is more common. Blechingia, Ostrogothia and such things are totally out of use.--Muniswede (talk) 23:32, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, seldom used in English or Swenglish by Swedish writers (often information lobbyists) in cases such as this one. Used however by anyone (non-Swedish) who wants it to be practically possible to pronounce these names when reading English texts to the blind, to children et al. Any and all efforts to alleviate the phonetic impediments caused by forcing foreign name formats on the readers of other languages should be appreciated and supported. That's why we have exonyms, which are our only effective tools for this. SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:31, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

 * Comment: I can see no phonetic impediment at all... Am I missing something? Also if the current title is more common, then it should stay as it is. No vote as yet but obviously I'm skeptical. Andrewa (talk) 11:34, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * If you see "no phonetic impediment at all" you obviously know Swedish. The ease of pronouncing the one name in English, as opposed to the other, would be obvious to anybody else I think. No one who does not know Swedish knows how to pronoubce Dalarna. SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:31, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I know no Swedish, and have no problem pronouncing it, I expect very badly so far as a Swedish speaker is concerned, but this is English Wikipedia. But agree pronunciation can be very tricky, my French friends have great trouble pronouncing my surname Alder, and I have never grasped why. Andrewa (talk) 11:16, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

 * Oppose This English exonym is actually a latin exonym and is as much a phonetic impediment to English readers as the Swedish name.  While it may have been more commonly used in English 100 years ago, Dalarna is more commonly used today.  We base our choice in Wikipedia on what is common today, not on what was common for our great, great grandparents.  Skinsmoke (talk) 15:01, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

How does one retract a move request? SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:53, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Google  gets more than ten times the hits for the existing name. Discussion above reveals that the move proposal is based on an obsolete linguistic POV; No evidence in terms of WP:NC. Andrewa (talk) 19:09, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Andrewa evidence of usage (what the policy WP:UE actually demands, not bare assertion). The phonetics "argument" is completely lacking in substance - we don't use a less common term that may be "difficult" to pronounce (Zzyzx, Szczecin), and the fact that Dalarna is more "difficult" that Dalecarlia is not based in any evidence whatsoever. Knepflerle (talk) 22:32, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably no need to. As this amounts to a request from the nominator to close early, any uninvolved admin (or even an uninvolved non-admin familiar with the procedures) can now close it for you. I don't think I should as I'm involved. It will happen! Thanks for your contributions, and please continue to be bold. Andrewa (talk) 05:38, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Heraldry picture
To have a section on the place's heraldry, complete with blazon, yet without emblazoning it, is, to me, illogical and not at all helpful. Caeruleancentaur (talk) 16:15, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what you're saying, I'm afraid - I don't know that much about heraldry. The section describes the arms and there it is at the top of the infobox, including all the details in the description. Can you explain a bit more clearly what we're lacking? Yngvadottir (talk) 16:54, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

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Timeline of hypertext technology

This article presents a timeline of hypertext technology, including "hypermedia" and related human–computer interaction projects and developments from 1945 on. The term hypertext is credited to the author and philosopher Ted Nelson.

See also Graphical user interface, Multimedia; also Paul Otlet and Henri La Fontaine's Mundaneum, a massively cross-referenced card index system established in 1910.

1940s

 * 1941
 * Jorge Luis Borges' "The Garden of Forking Paths"
 * 1945
 * Memex (concept by Vannevar Bush)

1960s

 * 1960
 * Project Xanadu (concept)
 * 1962
 * Marshall McLuhan's The Gutenberg Galaxy uses the term surfing
 * 1967
 * Hypertext Editing System (HES) by Andries van Dam and Ted Nelson at Brown University
 * 1968
 * FRESS (File Retrieval and Editing System, successor to HES)
 * NLS (oN-Line System)

1970s

 * 1972
 * ZOG
 * 1973
 * Xerox Alto desktop
 * 1976
 * PROMIS
 * 1978
 * Aspen Movie Map
 * 1979
 * PERQ

1980s

 * 1980
 * ENQUIRE (not released)
 * 1981
 * Electronic Document System (EDS, aka Document Presentation System)
 * Kussmaul Encyclopedia
 * Xerox Star desktop
 * 1982
 * Guide
 * 1983
 * Knowledge Management System (KMS, successor to ZOG)
 * TIES (The Interactive Encyclopedia System, later HyperTies)
 * 1984
 * NoteCards
 * 1985
 * Intermedia (successor to FRESS and EDS)
 * Symbolics Document Examiner (Symbolics workstations)
 * 1986
 * Texinfo
 * TextNet (a network-based approach to text handling)
 * Neptune (a hypertext system for CAD applications)
 * 1987
 * Macromedia Authorware
 * Canon Cat ("Leap" function, interface)
 * HyperCard
 * Knowledge Navigator (concept described by former Apple Computer CEO John Sculley in his book Odyssey)
 * Storyspace
 * 1988
 * Microcosm (hypermedia system) (University of Southampton)
 * 1989
 * Macromedia Director
 * Information Management: a proposal, Tim Berners-Lee, CERN

1990s

 * 1990
 * DynaText
 * World Wide Web
 * Hyperland (BBC documentary written by Douglas Adams)
 * ToolBook
 * HyTelnet
 * WinHelp
 * 1991
 * Gopher
 * AmigaGuide
 * 1995
 * Wiki
 * 1996
 * Hyperwire (Kinetix)
 * 1998
 * Everything2
 * XML
 * 1999
 * RSS

2000s

 * 2001
 * Wikipedia
 * 2014
 * OpenXanadu, an implementation of Project Xanadu
 * 2019
 * Gemini, a lightweight complement to the Web

Hipertexto

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Roger McCluskey

Roger McCluskey (August 24, 1930 – August 29, 1993) was an American IndyCar driver. He was raised in Tucson, Arizona.

He won championship titles in three divisions of the United States Auto Club: Sprints, Stocks, and Champ Cars. He won the USAC Sprint Car title in 1963 and 1966, the USAC Stock Car title in 1969 and 1970. The Champ Car title in 1973. His first USAC Stock Car start resulted in a runner-up finish in Phoenix, Arizona in January 1968, when he drove as a substitute driver for Norm Nelson.

McCluskey earned four USAC Midget Car wins, 23 USAC Sprint Car wins, 23 USAC Stock Car wins and five USAC Championship Car (national championship) wins (including his last start at Milwaukee in 1979, which is a rarity since most drivers don't win their last race in their career). He was the USAC national champion in 1973. He started every Indianapolis 500 race from 1961 to 1979 except 1964, with a best finish of 3rd in 1973.

He also made four NASCAR Grand National Series starts from 1969 to 1977 with a best finish of second in 1970 at Riverside International Raceway.

He represented the USAC series in the 1974 International Race of Champions.

McCluskey raced for the Holman and Moody team in a Ford GT40 Mk.IIB at the 1967 LeMans 24hrs of Endurance, France. During this event, McCluskey is credited with pulling Mario Andretti to safety-and thus saving his life-after Andretti had seriously crashed his Ford GT40 Mk.IV when a front brake locked.

McCluskey died of cancer in Indianapolis, on August 29, 1993, just five days after his 63rd birthday. In 2004, the local United Sports Arizona Race Park hosted the Roger McCluskey Sprint Car Classic in his honor.

Award
He was inducted in the National Sprint Car Hall of Fame in 1993.

He was also inducted into the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Hall of Fame in 2002.

He was inducted into the Motorsports Hall of Fame of America in 2011.

NASCAR
(key) ( Bold – Pole position awarded by qualifying time. Italics – Pole position earned by points standings or practice time. * – Most laps led. )

International Race of Champions
(key) ( Bold – Pole position. * – Most laps led. )

Other references

 * Patrick Finley; "McCluskey memorial race at local dirt track gaining momentum each year"; December 30, 2006; Arizona Daily Star; Retrieved January 15, 2007
 * NASCAR and IROC statistics

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Phayao province

Phayao (พะเยา, ; Northern Thai: ) is one of Thailand's seventy-seven provinces (changwat) lies in upper northern Thailand. Neighboring provinces are (from east clockwise) Nan, Phrae, Lampang, and Chiang Rai. In the northeast it borders Xaignabouli of Laos.

Geography
The Phi Pan Nam Range runs across the province from north to south. The city of Phayao is on Phayao Lake (Kwan Phayao) in the valley of the Ing River. Three big mountains surround the valley, the Doi Luang (1,694 m), Doi Khun Mae Fat (1,550 m) and Doi Khun Mae Tam (1,330 m). The total forest area is 3,182 km² or 51.4 percent of provincial area.

National parks
There are a total of five national parks, four of which are in region 15 (Chiang Rai) and Tham Sakoen in region 13 (Phrae) of Thailand's protected areas.
 * Doi Luang National Park, 1169 km2
 * Doi Phu Nang National Park, 860 km2
 * Mae Puem National Park, 351 km2
 * Phu Sang National Park, 285 km2
 * Tham Sakoen National Park, 250 km2

Wildlife sanctuaries
There are two wildlife sanctuaries in region 15 (Chiang Rai) of Thailand's protected areas.
 * Doi Pha Chang Wildlife Sanctuary, 571 km2
 * Wiang Lo Wildlife Sanctuary, 371 km2

History
Phayao was founded in 1096 as a small city-state kingdom. In the 13th century it gained enough importance to be an equal partner with King Mangrai of Lan Na and the Sukhothai kingdom. However, a later king of Lanna and Nan captured Phayao in 1338, and made it part of Lanna. During the Burmese rule of Lanna, the city was deserted.

In 1843 in the reign of King Rama III, Phayao was re-established along with Chiang Rai and Muang Ngao to be a frontier city against the Burmese army located at Chiang Saen. In 1897 it became part of the province of Chiang Rai. On 28 August 1977, Phayao was separated from Chiang Rai and became a province of its own.

Symbols
The provincial seal shows Buddha, representing the famous Buddha image in the temple Wat Si Khom Kham called Phra Chao Ton Luang. Behind him are seven flames showing the glory of Buddha. In front of Buddha is a bowl and two ears of rice.

The provincial tree is Mammea siamensis.

Provincial government
The province is subdivided into nine districts (amphoe). These are further divided into 68 subdistricts (tambon) and 632 villages (muban).

Local government
As of 26 November 2019 there are: one Phayao Provincial Administration Organisation (ongkan borihan suan changwat) and 35 municipal (thesaban) areas in the province. Phayao and Dok Khamtai have town (thesaban mueang) status. Further 33 subdistrict municipalities (thesaban tambon). The non-municipal areas are administered by 36 Subdistrict Administrative Organisations - SAO (ongkan borihan suan tambon).

Sights
An extensive fresh-water lake, Kwan Phayao (กว๊านพะเยา) is the largest fresh-water fish habitat in the upper north which provides the livelihood of many of the local people. To protect the lake from pollution, motor boats are not allowed on the lake.

The Pho Khun Ngam Mueang Memorial (อนุสาวรีย์พ่อขุนงำเมือง) commemorates a former king of Phayao, or Phu Kam Yao, who was in power some 700 years ago. During his reign, the state prospered and expanded its territory.

Wat Si Khom Kham (วัดศรีโคมคำ) It houses the largest Buddha statue of Lanna Thai, Phra Chao Ton Luang, a sitting Buddha with a lap width of 16 meters and height of 18 meters. It is said that it took no fewer than 33 years to complete.

Ho Watanatham Nithat (หอวัฒนธรรมนิทัศน์). The indigenous museum deals with the history and ancient relics of Phayao, including native culture and traditions and creativity.

Wat Lee or Wiang Phayao Museum (พิพิธภัณฑ์เวียงพยาว (วัดลี)) Wat Lee is a Buddhist Temple which contains local history of Phayao. The museum contains more than 5000 pieces of historical object such as Sandstone Buddha Figure, 500 year-old Sandstone inscriptions, plam leaf menuscripts and the local pottery. Kwan Phayao Pavilion and the Phayao Fresh-water Fishery Station (พระตำหนักกว๊านพะเยาและศูนย์วิจัยและพัฒนาประมงน้ำจืดพะเยา) is the first facility in the world to successfully breed pla buk, the giant catfish. There is an aquarium displaying many species of fish and water plants. The Chiang Saen-style Chedi at Wat Si Umong Kham (วัดศรีอุโมงคำ) is still in good condition. The Lanna-style Buddha statue, Phra Chao Lan Tu (พระเจ้าล้านตื้อ), is regarded as the most beautiful anywhere. Wat Phra That Chomthong (วัดพระธาตุจอมทอง) Surrounded by an arboretum, the temple offers a panoramic view of the town and the lake. Wat Analyo (วัดอนาลโย) Covering an extensive area, cool and shady under leafy canopies of large trees it features buildings and sculptures of religion-based characters by contemporary craftsmen of great skill.

Namtok Champa Thong (น้ำตกจำปาทอง) is a beautiful and tall waterfall amid natural surroundings.

Ban Tham Indigenous Cultural Centre (ศูนย์วัฒนธรรมพื้นบ้านบ้านถ้ำ) It has a large collection of native agricultural tools and implements as well as ancient objects from which the cultural lifestyle of the Lanna people in the past can be studied.

Doi Phu Nang National Park (อุทยานแห่งชาติดอยภูนาง) A variety of birds are found, especially peacocks which come to the park area for breeding from January to March. The park also has a scenic waterfall called Namtok Than Sawan.

Chiang Kham (เชียงคำ) is home to many Thai Lue people. An interesting temple in Chiang Kham is Wat Nantaram (วัดนันตาราม), a Burmese-style site built entirely with teak. Another place of interest is Wat Phra That Sop Waen (วัดพระธาตุสบแวน) with its 700-year-old Lanna-style chedi.

Namtok Phu Sang (น้ำตกภูซาง) It is fed by a hot spring on the mountain which flows into the brook before cascading over the falls.

Phu Lang Ka Forest Park is in Chiang Kham District and Pong District. It is around 900–1,720 metres above sea level. The main attractions are: Doi Hua Ling, Doi Phu Lang Ka and Doi Phu Nom.

Local products
Products made from water hyacinths. Hand-made cotton (ผ้าฝ้ายทอมือ) is a handicraft of the Thai Lue people.

Festivals
Sacrificial Combined Force 2324 Monument Fair (งานฉลองอนุสรณ์ผู้เสียสละพลเรือน ตำรวจ ทหาร 2324) is held annually at the end of January until the beginning of February at the memorial near the Chiang Kham Airport, Tambon Chiang Ban, Amphoe Chiang Kham. It is a merit making ceremony dedicated to the civilians, policemen, and soldiers, who died in their fighting with communist insurgents in 1980-early 1981 (2523-early 2524 B.E.). It is a charity fair to raise money to assist the descendants of the deceased. Other activities include games, performances, exhibitions and various booths of the governmental authorities.

Winter and Red Cross Fair (งานฤดูหนาวและงานกาชาด) is held at the end of December until the beginning of January every year at the ground near the Phayao Bus Terminal. In the event, there is a fair full of booths from the governmental and private authorities, contests, as well as, various games.

Cassie Flower Blooming Day (งานวันดอกคำใต้บาน) takes place on 14 February every year at the ground in front of the Dok Khamtai District Office. Activities are the handicraft contests and sales of souvenirs.

Pho khun Ngam Mueang Fair (งานบวงสรวงพ่อขุนงำเมือง) on 5 March every year at the Pho khun Ngam Mueang Monument with a procession of the worship offerings.

Thai Lue Cultural Festival (งานสืบสานตำนานไทลื้อ) happens at the beginning of March every year at the Wat Phrathat Sop Waen, Amphoe Chiang Kham, consisting of folk games, cultural performances, as well as, lifestyle of the Thai Lue people. In the event, people will dress up in the traditional costume. Also, there will be a cotton spinning demonstration, dessert making, Lue singing, Choeng or martial art dance, and Makon game.

Songkran Festival (Pi Mai Mueang) (งานประเพณีสงกรานต์-ปี๋ใหม่เมือง) is held during 13–16 April every year behind the Mueang Phayao Municipality and in every district.

Pu Cha Phaya Lo Fair (Bucha Phra Lo) (ประเพณีปู่จาพญาลอ-บูชาพระลอ) is held on 9 April every year at Wiang Lo Ancient Town, Ban Huai Ngio, Amphoe Chun, with an aim to pay respect to the Wiang Lo ancestors and to create folk consciousness to cherish and preserve the site. In the event, there are parades, light and sound presentations, a procession inviting the spirits of Wiang Lo's past kings, khantok dinner at night, as well as cultural performances.

Phayao Lychee and Quality Products Fair (งานเทศกาลลิ้นจี่ และของดีเมืองพะเยา) takes place in May every year at the ground behind the Mueang Phayao Municipality. In the event, there are fairs offering lychees and quality products of Phayao and a lychee beauty pageant.

Sky Rocket Festival (งานทำบุญบั้งไฟ) is held in June every year at Tambon Ang Thong, Amphoe Chiang Kham. In the festival, there is a traditional dance procession and sky rocket contest.

Candle Procession Festival (งานแห่เทียนพรรษา) takes place one day before the Buddhist Lent Day at the ground behind the municipality office and in every district. Beautifully engraved candles are brought to participate in the parade. Various cultural shows are performed, as well as, the contest for the most beautiful candle is organized. After the contest, all the candles are offered to the temples.

Hilltribe Traditional Festival (งานประเพณีชาวเขา) is held in December every year at Tambon Rom Yen, Amphoe Chiang Kham. Traditional dances and games of the hill tribe people, which are a winter tradition, are performed.

Human achievement index 2022
Since 2003, United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) in Thailand has tracked progress on human development at sub-national level using the Human achievement index (HAI), a composite index covering all the eight key areas of human development. National Economic and Social Development Board (NESDB) has taken over this task since 2017.

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