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Cordell Hull

Cordell Hull (October 2, 1871 – July 23, 1955) was an American politician from Tennessee and the longest-serving U.S. Secretary of State, holding the position for 11 years (1933–1944) in the administration of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt during most of World War II. Before that appointment, Hull represented Tennessee for two years in the United States Senate and 22 years in the House of Representatives.

Hull received the Nobel Peace Prize in 1945 for his role in establishing the United Nations, and was referred to by President Roosevelt as the "Father of the United Nations".

Early life and education

Cordell Hull was born in a log cabin in Olympus, Tennessee, which is now part of Pickett County, Tennessee, but was then part of Overton County. He was the third of the five sons of William Paschal Hull (1840–1923) and Mary Elizabeth Hull (née Riley) (1841–1903). His brothers were named Orestes (1868), Sanadius (1870), Wyoming (1875), and Roy (1881).

According to John Gunther, Hull's father had tracked down and killed a man because of a blood feud. His mother was a descendant of Isaac Riley, who was granted 200 acre in near Byrdstown in Pickett County, for Revolutionary War service, as well as Samuel Wood who emigrated from Leicestershire, England on the ship Hopewell and fought in the Virginia Militia. Hull's mother's family (Riley-Wood) had numerous ancestors who fought in the Revolutionary War. Hull devoted a section in his memoirs "Cabin on the Hill" to dispelling an old rumor that his father was part Cherokee Indian, and subsequent documented family history has confirmed his ancestry.

Hull attended college from 1889 until 1890. He gave his first speech at the age of 16. At the age of 19, Hull became the elected chairman of the Clay County Democratic Party. Hull studied at National Normal University (later merged with Wilmington College, Ohio) from 1889 until 1890. In 1891, he graduated from Cumberland School of Law at Cumberland University and was admitted to the bar.

Early career
Hull served in the Tennessee House of Representatives from 1893 until 1897. During the Spanish–American War, he served in Cuba as a captain in the Fourth Regiment of the Tennessee Volunteer Infantry.

From 1913 to 1917, Hull served as a local judge; later he was elected to the United States House of Representatives where he served 11 terms (1907–1921 and 1923–1931) totaling 22 years. As a member of the powerful Ways and Means committee, he fought for low tariffs and claimed authorship of the federal income tax laws of 1923 and 1926 and the inheritance tax of 1926. After his defeat in the congressional election of 1920, he served as chairman of the Democratic National Committee. He was one of several candidates for president at the 1928 Democratic National Convention, which ultimately chose Al Smith as nominee. Hull was influential in advising Albert Gore, Sr. to run for the U.S. Congress in 1938. Hull recorded twenty-five years of combined service in the House and the Senate.

Secretary of State

Hull won election to the Senate in 1930, but resigned from it in 1933 to become Secretary of State. Hull became one of Roosevelt's strongest Southern allies during the 1932 presidential campaign.

Roosevelt named him Secretary of State and appointed him to lead the American delegation to the London Economic Conference, which then collapsed when Roosevelt rejected its main plans. In 1943, Hull served as United States delegate to the Moscow Conference. At all times, his main objective was to enlarge foreign trade and lower tariffs. The more important issue of the American role in World War II was handled by Roosevelt who worked through Sumner Welles, the second-ranking official at the State Department. Hull did not attend the summit meetings that Roosevelt had with Winston Churchill and Joseph Stalin. In 1943, Hull finally destroyed Welles's career by threatening to expose his homosexuality.

In a speech in 1937, New York City Mayor Fiorello H. La Guardia said that brown-shirted Nazis ought to be featured as the "climax" of a chamber of horrors in the upcoming World's Fair. The Nazi government organ, Der Angriff, called the mayor a "Jewish Ruffian" who had been bribed by Jewish and Communistic agents and was a criminal disguised as an officeholder. In the ensuing exchanges, Hull sent a letter of regret to Berlin for intemperate comments on both sides, but he also explained the principle of freedom of speech. As the response of Nazi propaganda organs rose in pitch to include characterizing American women as "prostitutes," Hull sent a letter of protest to Berlin, which elicited an "explanation" but no apology.

In 1938, Hull engaged in a dialog with Mexican Foreign Minister Eduardo Hay concerning the failure of Mexico to compensate Americans who lost farmlands during agrarian reforms in the late 1920s. He insisted that compensation must be "prompt, adequate and effective". Though the Mexican Constitution guaranteed compensation for expropriation or nationalization, nothing had yet been paid. While Hay admitted Mexico's responsibility, he replied that there is "no rule universally accepted in theory nor carried out in practice which makes obligatory the payment of immediate compensation...." The so-called "Hull formula" has been adopted in many treaties concerning international investment but is still controversial, especially in Latin American countries, which have historically subscribed to the Calvo doctrine, which suggests that compensation is to be decided by the host country and that as long as there is equality between nationals and foreigners and no discrimination, there can be no claim in international law. The tension between the Hull formula and the Calvo doctrine is still important in the law of international investment.

Hull pursued the "Good Neighbor Policy" with Latin American nations, which has been credited with preventing Nazi subterfuge in that region. Hull and Roosevelt also maintained relations with Vichy France, which Hull credited with allowing General Henri Giraud's forces to join allied forces in the North African campaign against Germany and Italy.

Hull also handled formal statements with foreign governments. Notably he sent the Hull note just prior to the Pearl Harbor attack, which was formally titled "Outline of proposed Basis for Agreement Between The United States and Japan." Hull received news of the attack while he was outside his office. The Japanese ambassador Kichisaburō Nomura and Japan's special envoy Saburō Kurusu were waiting to see Hull with a 14-part message from the Japanese government that officially notified of a breakdown in negotiations. The United States had broken Japanese encryption, and Hull knew the message contents. He blasted the diplomats: "In all my fifty years of public service, I have never seen such a document that was more crowded with infamous falsehood and distortion."

Hull chaired the Advisory Committee on Postwar Foreign Policy, which was created in February 1942.

When the Free French Forces of Charles de Gaulle occupied the islands of Saint-Pierre and Miquelon, south of Newfoundland, in December 1941, Hull lodged a very strong protest and went as far as referring to the Gaullist naval forces as "the so-called Free French." His request to have the Vichy governor reinstated was met with strong criticism in the American press: newspapers mocked the "so-called Secretary of State ". The islands remained under the Free French until the end of the war. Hull, who always held de Gaulle in disregard, if not detestation, even before the incident, would never cease trying to maneuver against him during the rest of the war.

Jews and SS St. Louis incident
In 1939, Hull advised Roosevelt to reject the SS St. Louis, a German ocean liner carrying 936 Jews seeking asylum from Germany. Hull's decision sent the Jews back to Europe on the eve of the Holocaust. Some historians estimate that 254 of the passengers were ultimately murdered by the Nazis.

"Okay ...there were two conversations on the subject between (Secretary of the Treasury) Morgenthau and Secretary of State Cordell Hull. In the first, 3:17 PM on 5 June 1939, Hull made it clear to Morgenthau that the passengers could not legally be issued U.S. tourist visas as they had no return addresses. Furthermore, Hull made it clear to Morgenthau that the issue at hand was between the Cuban government and the passengers. The U.S., in effect, had no role. In the second conversation at 3:54 PM on June 6, 1939, Morgenthau said they did not know where the ship was and he inquired whether it was 'proper to have the Coast Guard look for it'. Hull responded by saying that he didn't see any reason why it could not. Hull then informed him that he did not think that Morgenthau would want the search for the ship to get into the newspapers. Morgenthau said 'Oh no. No, no. They would just—oh, they might send a plane to do patrol work. There would be nothing in the papers.' Hull responded 'Oh, that would be all right.'"

In September 1940, First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt maneuvered with another State Department official to bypass Hull's refusal to allow Jewish refugees aboard a Portuguese ship, the SS Quanza, to receive visas to enter the U.S. Through her efforts, the Jewish refugees disembarked on September 11, 1940, in Virginia. In a similar incident, American Jews sought to raise money to prevent the mass murder of Romanian Jews but were blocked by the State Department. "In wartime, in order to send money out of the United States, two government agencies had to sign a simple release—the Treasury Department under Henry Morgenthau and the State Department under Secretary Cordell Hull. Morgenthau signed immediately. The State Department delayed, delayed, and delayed, as more Jews were dying in the Transnistria camps."

In 1940, Jewish representatives in the USA lodged an official complaint against the discriminatory policies the State Department was using against the Jews. The results were fatal: Hull gave strict orders to every USA consulate worldwide forbidding the issuing of visas to Jews ... At the same time a Jewish congressman petitioned Roosevelt, requesting his permission to allow twenty thousand Jewish children from Europe to enter the USA. The President did not respond to the petition.

Establishing the United Nations

Hull was the underlying force and architect in the creation of the United Nations, as recognized by the 1945 Nobel Prize for Peace, an honor for which Franklin D. Roosevelt nominated him. During World War II, Hull and Roosevelt had worked toward the development of a world organization to prevent a third World War. Hull and his staff drafted the "Charter of the United Nations" in mid-1943.

Later years
Hull resigned on November 30, 1944, due to failing health. To this day he remains the longest-serving US Secretary of State, having served for eleven years and nine months in the post. Roosevelt described Hull upon his departure as "the one person in all the world who has done his most to make this great plan for peace (the United Nations) an effective fact". The Norwegian Nobel Committee honored Hull with the Nobel Peace Prize in 1945 in recognition of his efforts for peace and understanding in the Western Hemisphere, his trade agreements, and his work to establish the United Nations.

In January 1948, Hull published his two-volume memoirs, an excerpt from which appeared in The New York Times.

Personal life and death
At the age of 45, in 1917, Hull married a widow, Rose Frances (Witz) Whitney (1875–1954), of an Austrian Jewish family of Staunton, Virginia. The couple had no children. Mrs. Hull died at age 79, in Staunton, Virginia, in 1954. She is buried in Washington D.C. at Washington National Cathedral.

Hull died on July 23, 1955, at age 83, at his home in Washington, D.C., after a lifelong struggle with familial remitting-relapsing sarcoidosis (often confused with tuberculosis). He is buried in the vault of the Chapel of St. Joseph of Arimathea in the Washington National Cathedral.

Legacy
Hull's memory is preserved by Cordell Hull Dam on the Cumberland River near Carthage, Tennessee. The dam impounds Cordell Hull Lake, covering approximately 12,000 acres (49 km2).

His law school, Cumberland School of Law, continues to honor him with a Cordell Hull Speaker's Forum and the Moot Court Room.

Cordell Hull Birthplace State Park, near Byrdstown, Tennessee, was established in 1997 to preserve Hull's birthplace and various personal effects Hull had donated to the citizens of Pickett County, including his Nobel Peace Prize.

A segment of Kentucky highway routes 70, 90, 63, and 163, from Mammoth Cave National Park near Cave City south to the Tennessee State Line near Hestand, is named "Cordell Hull Highway", and is part of that state's scenic byway system.

The Cordell Hull Building, on Capital Hill in Nashville, Tennessee, is a secure 10-story building that contains the offices of the Tennessee Legislature.

The Eisenhower Executive Office Building (formerly the Old Executive Office Building) in Washington, DC, next to the White House, contains the ornately decorated "Cordell Hull Room" on the second floor, which is used for meetings. The room was Cordell Hull's office when he served as U.S. Secretary of State.

The U.S. Postal Service issued a 5-cent commemorative stamp honoring Cordell Hull on October 5, 1963.

Hull is one of the presidential cabinet members who are characters in the musical Annie.

Primary

 * Memoirs (Jan. 1948)
 * Vol. I, Vol. II
 * The Papers of Cordell Hull.

Secondary

 * Dallek, Robert (1979). Franklin D. Roosevelt and American foreign policy, 1932-1945. Oxford University Press.
 * Pratt, Julius W. (1964). Cordell Hull, 1933–44, 2 vol.
 * Biography at U.S. Congress
 * O'Sullivan, Christopher D., and Sumner Welles (2008). ''Postwar Planning and the Quest for a New World Order. Columbia University Press. ISBN 0231142587.
 * Gellman, Irwin F. (2002). Secret Affairs: FDR, Cordell Hull, and Sumner Welles. Enigma Books. ISBN 978-1929631117.
 * Robertson, Charles Langner. "The American Secretary of State: A Study of the Office Under Henry L. Stimson And Cordell Hull." (PhD dissertation, Princeton University; ProQuest Dissertations Publishing, 1959. 6005044).
 * Woolner, David B. (1996). "The Frustrated Idealists: Cordell Hull, Anthony Eden and the Search for Anglo-American Cooperation, 1933– 1938" (PhD dissertation). McGill University.
 * Woolner, David B. (1996). "The Frustrated Idealists: Cordell Hull, Anthony Eden and the Search for Anglo-American Cooperation, 1933– 1938" (PhD dissertation). McGill University.

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Wombats in June Scirocco6 (talk) 06:31, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Could you take over the Anglican/Episcopal Diocese of San Joaquin?
The Wiki editor of those two sites doesn't know what he's doing, and I think he is biased from what I saw on his author/editor page. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.251.41.24 (talk) 04:13, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Various things relating to Daily Office
Hi, I saw your recent edits in the Morning and Evening Prayer articles and that got me to thinking about them myself. First of all, isn't it sort of stupid to have Evening Prayer be a disambiguation page, but Morning Prayer be specifically Anglican? Particularly since the Vespers article talks about non-Roman Catholic forms of vespers and includes Evening Prayer as one of them? Secondly, have a look at the way I re-sorted the headings in Evening Prayer, grouping them into the pre-liturgical renewal forms, which have 1662 as their model (why the 1928 BCP should be more "traditional", when it omits the Phos Hilaron and is more Puritan-Reformed-oriented, is not clear to me...don't you think that heading is problematic?), and those forms which reflect the liturgical renewal movement (Common Worship, BAS/ASB, 1979). Shouldn't we do something like that with Morning Prayer, too? The problem there is that the section about Common Worship is just so long that it is hard to integrate with the others. But it would have the added advantage of not specifying the 1979 BCP be particularly American. Three hours ago, I just completed an Evensong service done in the 1979 BCP form in the Federal Republic of Germany. Similar things will take place in Colombia and other parts of the world (Province IX) outside America. The whole ECUSA, TEC, etc. abbreviations are pretty problematic, I agree, but spelling out the word "American" doesn't help much, except to make clear we are not talking about Scotland.--Bhuck (talk) 19:43, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I do like your recent change, but I would love something further reaching. I agree with your concerns expressed in this note as well.  I think it's silly to have the Anglican and RC and Orthodox pages separated.  Indeed, now that RCs use the terms "Morning Prayer" and "Evening Prayer" it's particularly silly.  Detailed service outlines are not really that helpful in my opinion, but regardless, some unification and so forth is needed.  As for "liturgical renewal", I think that's the wrong place to pin this.  Indeed, despite the protestations of some, the 1928 BCP office is very similar to Rite One, which (aside from language) is virtually identical to Rite Two.  Notice that the "service in tradition of the 1662 prayerbook" is almost a perfect description of the Rite Two office in the 1979 BCP!  Tb (talk) 20:59, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I could easily live with a merger of the Anglican, RC, and Orthodox versions of Morning and Evening prayer all being in one article. We would have to figure out what to do to differentiate between Mattins and Lauds, though, if both are Morning Prayer.  Or is Matins Compline if it is in the night watch?--Bhuck (talk) 22:22, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Compline is Compline. :) Matins is the same as Vigils; Lauds is the same as Morning Prayer.  Anglicans came to call Morning Prayer "Matins" (or "Mattins"), because "matins" means morning--though it was always the *early* morning office, the same as monastic "Vigils", sung about 2am traditionally.  Tb (talk) 22:24, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * In light of that clear explanation, I find the "this article..." blurb at the top of the Morning Prayer article particularly confusing.--Bhuck (talk) 07:22, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I just came across these articles; seeing them, I'd like to note that Jews also have Evening prayers and morning prayers! They differ greatly, however, from Catholic and Anglican prayers. See Jewish services. As such, I am going to introduce a bit of disambiguation to these articles. RK (talk)
 * I set up a disambig page instead.--Bhuck (talk) 09:12, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Book of Occasional Services
While looking at the Tenebrae article (the German one is even more RC-POV), I noticed there is no article on the BOS, which is a shame. Other than this, I haven't been able to find much, but I think there should be an article. Any ideas or ambition on your part?--Bhuck (talk) 16:33, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Saint Mark
Hi Tb. The article Saint Mark the evangelist is not at all about Mark the evangelist, but about Saint Mark the apostle. As you can see there are seperate articles about Saint John and John the evangelist. S711 (talk) 21:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

FYI
I added a number of third party RS refs today to the Bethlehem Baptist Church (Minneapolis) article (the subject of the AfD that you've participated in). Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 18:50, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I still doubt it is notable, but regardless, I'm certainly delighted to see the considerable improvement in the quality of the article. Tb (talk) 20:20, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks -- nice of you to say. Sorry it took me a few days to move the google search stuff into the article. Thanks for your forbearance.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:57, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Non-free image review related to File:Episcopal Church Logo.gif
A media file you uploaded, File:Episcopal Church Logo.gif, may be affected by the outcome of a non-free-image-review discussion for File:TEC arms.PNG. Please see. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  23:14, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm @#$&@(#742# pissed at the whole thing, and I wish the @*#($*@ admins could get their @#*$(@#* act together and stop just deleting images, refusing to discuss, and saying "oh, do this", and then we go around again. I can tell you what will happen already, but instead, we get to play this unending game.  Tb (talk) 01:08, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * For what its worth, I marked it for deletion then undid my actions when I law some old discussion indicating it might be public domain. I then opened the current discussion.  PS:  I am not an admin.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  02:39, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Re:MedicineMan555
Thanks for the post. Its all seems reasonable and I'm happy with the arguments. The only thing I must note is that you'd better talk to me first before reverting my edits en masse. There is no intrinsic contradiction with linking an author, but there might well be in this case. As you noted, the notability of JoAnn E. Manson is borderline and there was a clear pattern of its promotion by MedicineMan555. In such case, I do not see any reason why that author should be linked, especially when she is a 3rd or 4th co-author in an article, especially when it is a mass linking. This may well bias the reader, that she is the major contributor, which is not - she just happened to have a WP page. As to MoS and COI policies, it can not possibly cover all scenarios and is especially vague on references, simply because there is no accepted policy on those. COI concerns are often handled by the community or individual admin actions, such as this case. If you're planning to bring this specific COI concern somewhere and see what happens - that could be fine, if not - let us talk, as I'm not entirely happy with your global revert. Materialscientist (talk) 07:17, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * (ec) (i) I treat this situation as specific case (ii) Even abstracting from COI, how about my comment above - why a 4rd co-author of an article should be selectively linked? Materialscientist (talk) 07:35, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I think linking authors of journals is of questionable WP:notable. Having one user go around and promote this physician is a COI aswell. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 07:32, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * If the JoAnn E. Manson is notable, then the subject is notable. If it's not notable, then an AfD is in order.  As I indicated on User:Materialscientist's talk page, I am on the fence about whether it's notable, though I'm very much annoyed that it seems to be a giant COI problem.  I agree that links to non-notable authors shouldn't be present, but there are only two ways that can happen: it's an external link, or the article itself is of a non-notable subject, and should be deleted.  Perhaps that is the right course here, but I don't know.  Now that I've given it some mental energy, if an AfD is opened, I'll investigate more carefully, think more carefully, and weigh in with my opinion at that time.  Tb (talk) 07:37, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Episcopal Church Logo.gif
 Thanks for uploading File:Episcopal Church Logo.gif. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of "file" pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Skier Dude ( talk ) 05:39, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Episcopal Shield
Sorry I didn't realize that I was complicating things until after I changed the page. I was simply intending to upload a superior file type to gif. I've sent an email to images@episcopalchurch.org and hope to request formal permission for the image. -Vcelloho (talk) 06:34, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for asking, I'm sure that will confuse them since I sent such an email myself. Tb (talk) 06:49, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I just got permission over email unfortunately the image that I uploaded was deleted -Vcelloho (talk) 20:24, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

images
First off, I'm very disappointed in ZScout's rush to delete, although to be fair he was probably acting on both your request to close and my pre-struck motion to close.

Tonight's activities were made worse by facts changing by the minute.

One minute, the claim that a vector image was copied from the church web site appeared false on its face. A few minutes later it was clarified and *poof* I knew the image was drawn by the church.

For several days, there has been no movement. I see you asking to close. I write up a detailed concurring statement. Then *poof* I see there is an email correspondence which means we should put any closures on hold until that winds down.

Here is what might have happened if I had been asleep today:
 * You would've made the statement you made to close the discussion.
 * Some admin, possibly ZScout, would've started deleting images and replacing image usages in articles with commons-hosted images.
 * Vcelloho would've done his thing, you would've corrected him on the source, and he would've fixed that up.
 * When I woke up, I would've found the articles with commons-hosted images and the Wikipedia images deleted, along with their talk pages.
 * The discussion may or may not be marked "resolved"
 * If either you or another editor sent an inquiry to the church and got a reply, you would then have to act on that reply.

In other words, my being here tonight wasted several editor's time but didn't do any harm beyond that. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  07:31, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

 * I'm not bothered at all that you were here tonight. :) I am bothered that when Commons deletes the image, as they will, we will be back where we started, and you and ZScout will probably be gone, as the previous people who played your roles in this little game in the past have also vanished.  Did you notice than ZScout deleted the images citing F8, which does not even apply, because the images are not identical and of the same format?  While I would be happy to see his drawing stay on Commons and be the sole one which we all use, this points out that admins can and do delete images in wild contravention of not only consensus, but clearly stated guidelines.  On the other hand, the fair use rationale I uploaded, was clear, and has lots of very clear precedent behind it on Wikipedia.  If you had only been willing to let it be, as I requested you back when you thought it would be fun to stir this up, it could stay for years, because we know that admins will leave non-free logos with clearly stated explanations in place.  Instead, we'll be back here again, if not next month, in six or ten.  Tb (talk) 07:39, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Zscout370
took the time to draw the shield commons:File:Shield of the US Episcopal Church.svg and put it on the commons earlier this month. He also re-drew the flag commons:File:Flag of the US Episcopal Church.svg at about the same time. He deserves some thanks for this. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  07:41, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

 * I don't disagree. . Tb (talk) 07:46, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

(Roman) Catholic
Hi Tb, I saw you had also reverted some changes made by an IP (71.145.162.148) who insists on dropping the "Roman" from "Roman Catholic." This appears to be the latest outburst of something that's been going on for longer: in December last year I ran into User:Rev.JamesTBurtchaell,csc, who was making the same changes (and User:Sunray got involved also), and before your flurry of activity I had one of my own, with User:71.145.168.215. I am going to guess that between "your" IP and mine it's not intentional IP hopping, but it's something to keep an eye out for anyway. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:32, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's a long-standing thing. Precedes December too.  Tb (talk) 17:48, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Drmies (talk) 18:55, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Episcopal shield can of worms
Hi Tb, I noticed that you had been quite active in the regarding Episcopal shield images, and I have suggested to Zscout370 a path toward resolving the deletion merry-go-round once and for all. I remember the same crap going on 4-5 years ago when I was first active on WP, I couldn't believe that this cycle is still ongoing. Anyway, if you're interested, have a look at my suggestions on Zscout's talk page and let us know what you think. Cheers! Wine Guy  Talk  01:06, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Edits to the Episcopal Diocese of Fort Worth (Southern Cone)
Hello Tb, You are quite right. My reading of the page as it was infuriated me. I felt it was hardly neutral, but painted the Diocese in a very poor light. I will try to neutralize my edits to see if they meet the standards of WP. Thanks. Revzoom (talk) 20:54, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It is never a good idea to edit Wikipedia when you are infuriated. In particular, your expectation that you can simply remove mention of the views you disagree with is not a good sign.  Tb (talk) 16:04, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

hi
Hi please dont add back the chart, nasarani evolution in the Indian Churches wiki pages. The history depicted in the chart is a manipulated history created by some catholic historians in the 19th century. It is not the official history of any Indian church(Marthoma, Orthodox etc).

Facts:

1.Portuguese brought Catholicism to India. 2.Potuguese found the sea route to Asia only in the 15th or 16th century. 3.Kerala had historic connections with the Middle East, Syria, Iraq etc. 4.There were several migrations from the Middle East to India from the 4th century onwards. 5.The middle eastern Christians are mostly Orthodox, Chalcedean and Assyrian. 6.Catholism spread throughout the world through the Spanish and Portuguese Colonialisation, after the 12Th century AD. 7. Catholic church spread rapidly only after the Spaniards mastered cartography and the sea routes.

Eg: Spaniards & Portuguese in Latin America Spaniards            in Philippines Spaniards            in Japan (Never Succeeded) Many many more ......

Now in India, the history of Catholics begins only from the 16th century, like in many parts of the world. However, since being excellent manipulators of history, they would like to claim to be first everywhere. These chart is an example of it.

You are hurting the sentiments of many indigenous Christians of India, who have no ties with catholic church, by allowing them to add their chart in other christian denominations website. The original chart is the exact opposite of what is being shown.

So I would sincerely urge you not to side with people who distort history. At least why would other Indigenous Christians have a catholic chart on their page. Please think and Many Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.22.97.34 (talk) 12:10, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

 * This chart was agreed by all concerned, and your edits have been disruptive. You need to discuss it, and not simply make unexplained and POV blanks.  Tb (talk) 18:58, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * More precisely, the proper way to proceed is not by blanking, but by improving the chart. That will require you to engage in good faith discussion on the talk page for the chart, and propose NPOV alternatives, working together with other editors. Tb (talk) 18:59, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

hi..

thanks .. i will surely open a discussion topic.. til then please hold this .. and not add it back.. please go to Marthoma Church ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar_Thoma_Church ) discussion page and see what they haev done to this chart. Again no indigenous local christian church would allow such a chart to be put on there webpage.

plese guide me through the proceedings.. appreciate your help. Thanks .. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.22.97.34 (talk) 07:34, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

 * This is not your web page, it is Wikipedia's web page. Fix the chart by fixing the chart, not by deleting it. Tb (talk) 17:05, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

 * Tb: Thanks for your comments on my talk page. Unfortunately, I don't feel qualified to do an improvements re: indigenous Christianity in India--though I am very interested in learning more. If there is aything else I can do for you, please do not hesitate to call upon me. MishaPan (talk) 04:12, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

 * Perhaps you were confused slightly; I wasn't asking you to help (though if you want to, great!) The anon editor has been making uncommented blankings, and in a brief flurry tried to recruit others to help him in that goal.  I'm trying to encourage him to fix the graphic that bothers him, rather than just delete it over and over again.  Tb (talk) 19:00, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

@tb. The reason why it is told, that there is no common history is because of the numerous history that floats in India. Get to each of these churches webpages and find how different it is. What is correct for the Indian Orthodoc church is not correct for the catholics and not correct for the Jacobites and not correct for the pentecost and so on and so on. Why create a commotion here, by adding a chart. The present chart is floated in almost all necessary and unnecessary places, even in Oriental Orthodox wikipage.. Is this really necessary. One guy is trying to propagate his version of history whereever he could. When you initially told, the chart was accepted by the wiki editors, did you ask, whether any one of this editors belong to the Orthodox church which has around 2mn ardherents. Did any one out of the 2 millions gave the consent to add another churches history here ????????? This is clear act of vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.206.17.39 (talk) 14:41, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not "vandalism"; you simply disagree with what the chart says. I'm not telling you you have to agree with it; I'm saying that your proper course of action is to make it better, not to delete it.  Tb (talk) 18:45, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

The offending chart!
Just left a note to Neduvelilmathew simply recapping what changes were made by Rahuljohnson4u to the chart. User_talk:Neduvelilmathew. See what you think. I don't believe he has looked at it yet, so I can still make changes! :) Student7 (talk) 23:20, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Catholic vs Roman Catholic
I'm not going to change it on you and I know where you are coming from, but the article is Catholic Church. After many many fights which caused it to change in one direction once, then over years, back again. It was not fun, believe me. I avoided it! :) Oddly enough, the Catholics could have cared less. They simply wanted the article to stabilize for GA, and it pretty much seemed that the changes were done for sand-in-your eyes reasons. Anyway....

Episcopal are IMO, small-c Catholics as are Orthodox, no? Is there really a conflict? I admit that there are Episcopal Franciscans (and maybe other orders), but calling them catholic instead of Episcopal or Anglican, seems unusual, doesn't it? Student7 (talk) 13:45, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Roman Catholics usually don't know this, but many Anglicans consider ourselves Catholic (with capital C) in the same way Eastern Orthodox and Old Catholics do. The claim of the bishop of Rome to represent all Catholic Christianity is a claim not accepted by the Orthodox or the Church of England.  This is quite distinct from the "little c" that, for example, the Reformed tradition speaks of, and some (more protestant-identified) Anglicans as well.  When one such as I, or the Church of St. Mary the Virgin in New York City, refer to ourselves as "Catholic", we mean, in the way that Presbyterians are not, and refer to things like bishops in apostolic succession, sacramental theology, attitudes towards Mary and the saints, a sense of the development of theological tradition, and so forth.  Indeed, we regard the attempt by the Bishop of Rome to declare himself the leader of all big-C Catholics to be (um, sorry) a usurpation of sorts.  He is unquestionably the leader of some, but we would insist, not of all.  (It would be bizarre, would it not, to regard the Old Catholics as protestant?  Just so Smokey Mary's in New York, or me.)  Tb (talk) 00:37, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

 * As for the article, I have no objection to the use of the term "Catholic Church" to refer only to the part in union with the Bishop of Rome, in contexts which are otherwise unambiguous. For example, it is crucial that Catholic Church say "also know as the Roman Catholic Church".  But to say that Trent is a council of the Catholic Church is to trade on the ambiguity... all of it, or only the Roman part?  (Because the Roman part believes it is all of it, Roman Catholics generally do not see the point.  But by implying that the Roman part is all of it, one takes the POV that the Bishop of Rome is right on this rather important point of controversy.)  What complicates this is the minority of Roman Catholics running about insisting that the word Roman is some kind of insult or wildly inaccurate or something--despite its use by bishops, popes, official documents and organizations, and so forth.  So by all means link to Catholic Church directly, but in many contexts, pipe the link where the term "Roman" is important in disambiguating.  Tb (talk) 00:41, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Well, Henry VIII did regard himself as head of the Catholic Church until his death. That it was for England, was sort of understood. The name change to "Anglican" to designate it as a national church came later, I suppose. Student7 (talk) 12:42, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

 * The word "Anglican" came about surprisingly late. "Church of England" was the usual name, still is, in England, and was the name before the 16th century too... Tb (talk) 19:12, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Discussions about Orthodox CHurch

 * Do you even know, what you are talking about? Please think before making allegations. I was only answering to what you were talkin about, " terrorists, hitler " etc. People tend to talk in rage seeing this wikipage, and as you can see, many people have tried altering the unnecessary information. As I told, we love our church and we are trying to improve it. and we have not done anything til now, other than discussing ... Is anything totally new added here ???? Did anyone try to remove anything ??? Now i humbly urge you to tone down... ``````  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fyodor7 (talk • contribs) 08:24, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

 * So far you have not inspired me with your ability to contribute usefully, but I hope you will prove me wrong. Tb (talk) 08:26, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

 * I require time, currently I am office and doin this , stopping my work, I need to read and collect references, its not that easy.. I need to plan, write the articles and then post it.. The titles "anglican influence'' and "English Assist, were not present from the begining.. its clear that, it was added by some fundamentalists.. do we even need a discussion to remove it??? But still we are humbly doing it... Atlesst by looking at the chart created by catholics you can know where the Orthodox Church stands... and its sad when we are not allowed to pen down anything here... In such a commotion do u expect me to do anything overnight?? And i dont see many others figthing here, other than one Kozhencherry Mathan, then how could you say, that we are a group here ? I just saw his id fews days before... and i was happy , seein someone raising his concerns. Fyodor7 (talk) 08:37, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Well their is no point arguing like this, are you wready to lend us a helping hand ? Fyodor7 (talk) 08:39, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

 * I'll say it again. Your strategy: I need to plan, write the articles and then post it is a very bad strategy.  It is extremely likely to entirely fail to accomplish your goals.  Incremental modification, with discussion on-wiki, is the way to succeed.  Writing new articles on your own, and posting them, is the way to fail.  If you will make incremental changes, and discuss them first with clear proposals, in non-inflammatory language, which amount to more than just deleting what you don't like, then sure, I'll work with you.  If you start using words like "terrorist", "Hitler", and "rage", no, I won't work with you.  Tb (talk) 08:40, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

 * "Hitler", "terrorits" are not words used by me. Again I am sorry, if that had offended you. Am an Indian and "rage" is just another English word for me, i dont know, if it is offending for you or not. I am new to Wiki and I was of an impression, that every page is planned . And I never knew, that it had to be incremental in nature. If so, I am ready to do so. Thanks for your guidance. Fyodor7 (talk) 08:47, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Often new pages are written out before being added. But when there is an existing page, and especially when things are controversial or complicated, discussion and step-by-step incremental changes are far more successful. Tb (talk) 18:19, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

 * I don’t see, that you have the slightest intention in helping? Someone has penned down the history of the Mar Thoma Church (which you clearly know) and has illustrated very clearly, why their shouldn’t be two titles …. We have sources to back… and that too third party source. Now most of the sources, of the Mar Thoma Church page is “Mathoma Sabha Chritram or History of Mar Thoma Church, written by someone from that Church. And I also do not see any discussion before these titles were added here???? These two titles were clearly not present when the page was created. Now who is the real offender here, the people who want to better the wiki page or the people who do not want this page to be bettered? I am sure you would want prefer to read better, understand and think better.  And also think from our side  rather than asking us to think from some others point of view. Fyodor7 (talk) 04:53, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

 * I don't care who is the "real offender". And, whether you like it or not, I'm really quite neutral in this, and you all need to think from a neutral point of view.  If you cannot do that, perhaps start with other pages on Wikipedia until you get more experience, and then come back here?  Regardless, whether you think it's fair or not, you are free to do lots of work.  Please do it, instead of complaining.  I'm just saying, do it incrementally, and not by simply deleting what you don't like.  So far, you've done a lot of arguing, and no improving.  Tb (talk) 05:47, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

 * You are askin us discuss and we are doing it. Okay am ready improve, we want to the two titles to be merged under one Title, called " 19Th century" . No deletion of contents just, the merging of two titles.Now are you willing to support? Fyodor7 (talk) 06:17, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

 * No deletions yet? How about just adding all the jillions of wonderful facts you (plural) have said you want, complete with references?  Just start adding them as they occur to you.  As for any particular change, discuss it by creating a section on the talk page, and explaining (briefly! without accusations! without lots of extra blank lines! following simple formatting!) why you think the change should be made.  Then, if nobody objects in a few days, or there is agreement, make it.  That's a great way to proceed until you have a good understanding of what a neutral point of view is.  And stop saying "we" if you mean only yourself.  Tb (talk) 06:33, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Thanks a lot. What I am planning to do is merge both the title under one title " 19th Century " . Right now am at work, further references will be provided, once I refer more books. Once again thanks for your support Fyodor7 (talk) 06:44, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Thanks, have made the change, without removing any content. It talk about the latest history, the setting up of the diocese in America, so it is apt to have these under timelines, rather than "title" which cause huge commotions. Once again thanks for your assistance Fyodor7 (talk) 07:23, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

 * The name you added back, Cecil Cherian, I couldnt find who that is, googled and found one Cecil Cherian, Houston, Texas in Facebook :-D ... I persume, it is dont by some prankster, because I have never heard of such a name. "Cherian" is a syrian surname common only in India and I dont think, he could join a Bistish resident in summoning someone. Such a high profile person should have references on net. Fyodor7 (talk) 09:25, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

AFD
I just deleted Machiavelli and The Mayflower as a G7 speedy and close the AFD. I saw that you had suggested that the AFD should be kept open regardless but I thought it best to comply with the original authors wishes as I could only see things escalating in a bad way otherwise. Indeed he was getting so distressed that Godwin's Law had already been proven on my talk! I'm as sure as I can be that he is not trying to game the system and (unfortunately) I don't think that he'll editing again on any article but especially not that one. Best regards, -- Nancy talk  09:59, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Fair enough judgment call to make. Tb (talk) 18:20, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for reverting my Error in Nancy Talk page.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 08:59, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Nasrani Evolution Chart
Hi... Their is a discussion going on related to this. Many People have clearly stated why this chart is misleading.. Already around a 100,000 have seen this chart in places where this is located. Please remove the chart until we get to a consensus. Fyodor7 (talk) 06:31, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

 * That not how it works. You have been asked repeatedly to help work on a new chart.  Please do so.  Consensus has been to keep the chart, Wikipedia is always a work in progress.  If you cannot bear with taking the time, and you insist on simply deleting what you don't like, then you need to work on things that are less important to you until you gain some experience.  Consensus is to leave it, and wait for the discussion to continue.  So why not engage in that conversation instead of simply deleting what you don't want? Tb (talk) 06:33, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

 * From Student7, came to know that someone is already working on a more accurate chart, which splits itself into equal halves. Until that gets implemented do you want to mislead people. Currently 100,000 do you wan to make that a 200,000 ?? Fyodor7 (talk) 06:36, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

You think they are misled. I think you are 1) making up numbers out of nowhere, and 2) blowing something entirely out of proportion. Wikipedia requires patience, and so far, you are demonstrating an ability for having none. Tb (talk) 06:53, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

 * a. Blowing out of proportion ??? I have gone to the 12 wiki pages where is chart is located, and seen the count from Decemeber 09 till 3 days back and it came to 80,750, by now it would be 100,000.If you want you repeat the same excercise and find. b.Do you know that this chart is proposed for deletion in Wikipeida Commons? c.I have gone though the talk in Nazrani Evolution and noone has a given any credible source to backup the claim. d.The participants involed in the talk were all Catholics and with no representation from The Orthodox Side. Is that what you call consensus? e. You will understand the graveness of the situation, if you have martyrs in your family who have given their lives for this cause. . Please think from the point of view of people who have lost soemone. Fyodor7 (talk) 07:01, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

 * "the count?" Not sure what count you are talking about.  Regardless, I am disgusted that you have spent this much energy trying to censor what you don't like, and almost no energy trying to improve it.  Wikipedia is not about silencing what you don't like.  As for the deletion request, it will be handled in its own way.  It is improper in the extreme to try to anticipate it by cutting links.  You should wait for the deletion request, and you should take seriously the views of a large number of experienced editors.  And as for the rhetorical bit, please leave that aside.  People have lost lives on all sides of this--and every--conflict.  You are demanding that we should all simply bow down and accept your view, and that's just not how it works.  You must work--if you wish to work here at all--by seeking consensus with other editors, including those you disagree with, including those whom you wish to blame for the "martyrs in your family."  If you cannot or will not do that, then you should leave the editing to others.  So far, I do wish that you would take 10% of the time you have spend arguing, deleting, and fighting, and spend it actually improving the image and the articles you would like to see improve.  All you are doing now is being disruptive.  If you cannot manage to see that everyone here is working together, and nobody is out to slander or harm you, you will find Wikipedia very difficult.  As for your claim that there is no Orthodox representation, I wonder how you know, except for your entirely groundless claim that every Orthodox Christian would agree with you.  Tb (talk) 07:13, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Okay not botherin you anymore. Pray, God gives you the understanding to choose right and wrong. And also pray that in your life noone stands in between with rules, when you really need some help. You are welcome to scribble anythin on my talk page. Fyodor7 (talk) 08:06, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Help is available. I've spent plenty of time suggesting how you might accomplish your goals.  You continue to insist that what you somehow should get is to immediately coerce Wikipedia into doing exactly what you want.  You continue to complain, while doing precious little actual work on improving things beyond deleting what you don't like.  Nor did I ask you not to "bother" me; what I said was I'm tired of dealing with an inability to even bother getting formatting sensible. Feel free to post a comment when you are prepared to do so without bolloxing up my page with newlines and so forth.  You and your allies have shown a consistent unwillingness to engage in helpful conversation; even the standards of formatting things neatly are beyond your willingness to attend to.  Tb (talk) 08:52, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

I have prepared the Chart, however I dont know how to add it, Teh chart forks into two equal halves, and does not have any derogatory names. This is how I have fixed it. If someone could help me load it, am ready. Thanks I was thinking about quiting wiki forever. Fyodor7 (talk) 08:58, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

 * I think Student7 might be helpful to you there. Tb (talk) 17:38, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Just found something in web, would like you to read this(http://www.hvk.org/articles/0706/32.html). Shows how gravly orangised european religions spoil our culture and history. Even the condition of Hindus are pathetic, because they are branded as "bad", since most of the media are controlled by catholics. Soon the hindus might also have the pathetic condition, what the poor local christians are facing now. This is certainly not written by us, any Indian,catholic or orthodox.. dont know.Fyodor7 (talk) 09:21, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

 * I have no opinion to offer on who is right in the fights that so energize you. You seem to want me to take sides, or you think that I have taken sides, and I'm afraid that just isn't accurate.  Tb (talk) 17:38, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Civility
Hi, I've been watching with some disquiet the edit-warring that's going on all over the place about this chart. I have no opinion at this time on the validity of accuracy of the chart, and indeed, am not even sure where to comment, because the disruption is continuing on so many different articles. However, could I please ask you to try to adopt a more civil tone in your interactions with other editors? Saying things like you are "disgusted" with other editors or "Duh" in an edit summary, or "sick and tired of the laziness" is a violation of WP:CIVIL. A better avenue to take here, would be to take the high road. Treat other editors with respect, follow the steps of dispute resolution, and encourage a civil and collegial atmosphere. Thanks, --Elonka 19:58, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * My patience wears thin at times. I'm bothered by the rank dishonesty and outrageous emotional appeals which have been going on (likening those who made the chart to the Nazis???).  Finally some movement is happening.  I hope you are willing to ask others to tone it down too.  Tb (talk) 20:03, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Definitely, though I'm having some trouble figuring out where exactly the discussions are going on. Can you give me a diff to this "Nazi" comment? Is there a central location of discussion?  Or if not, I recommend making one, as it will probably help to stabilize the situation and allow other outside editors to comment.  --Elonka 20:07, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The ever changing array of user names and IP addresses (often obvious, for example, see the way that User:Fyodor7, User:117.99.99.15, and User:117.99.95.201 all cooperated in editing one comment on my talk page a few days ago) makes it difficult. There is no central location, and attempts to ask people to slow down and not simply delete content, but to engage in discussion first, has mostly been unavailing.  Take a look at the edit histories: the article is "insultory and misleading", editors are accused of being in cahoots with Portuguese murderers of the 17th century.  There is this odd "we" who pops up in discussion, with vague allusions as if there is off-wiki collaboration.  There is a general claim that it is fundamentally offensive to Oriental Orthodox to have any attempt to represent shared history, or any views but their own.  The Nazi comment was here: .  But see plenty more at that talk page.  I feel its very unfair and insulting to Oriental Orthodox christians like me to see the history of an Orthodox Church being intentionally misrepresented. This article is a crime against the Indian Orthodox Church!  What is the appropriate response?  We've said that it's reliable sources and consensus which rule the day, only to be told that the evil Portuguese burned all the sources in the 17th century, and everything since then is unreliable.  To accuse those who wrote the article of intentional misrepresentation is outrageous, and to accuse Wikipedia of criminal behavior worse.  .  And then the next one chimes in, saying teh page is "marauded and ramshackled by editors who belong to differernt congregations".  .  Comments on talk pages deleted with the edit history saying "i undid this entire parapgraph of hate material. They have no relevance or truth in them." .  We are told that extraordinary harm would happen if the chart is not deleted right away .  Amidst this, there is a general refusal or inability to follow even simple formatting on talk pages, so that huge comments with giant white space are left, without sensible indenting, and signed only now and then.  There's nothing here that is that hard to work out: people are even in agreement about the general shape of what should be done, but there has been a refusal to do more than insist we're right and if you disagree you are murderous lying bastards.  Tb (talk) 20:36, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'm seeing the problem now. My recommendation is to:
 * Establish a central location of discussion where outside editors can comment, either on an article talkpage or the image talkpage
 * If there are any future reverts or disputes on this matter, direct people immediately to the central location
 * Endeavor to develop a consensus at the central location. Then if there is future disruption, you can provide a link to the consensus discussion.
 * If consensus is not obvious from the central discussion location, file an RfC to bring in more editors
 * If there are any uncivil comments, diff them to the talkpage of the user in question. Eventually this will result in someone being blocked
 * If there is further disruption from anyone who you think is linked to the blocked account, start a sockpuppet page at WP:SPI, which can then be a central location for collecting the sock IPs
 * I'll help as I can... In some areas I'll be able to use admin tools, though if things get too close to where I'm acting as an editor, I may need to hand it off to someone else.  But hopefully with central locations for the discussion, and then a sockpuppet report, we'll be able to get things straightened out.
 * Best, --Elonka 21:00, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Saint Thomas Christians
Thanks for all the help you have provided to the Malankaran Christian articles over the past few weeks! Maintaining the integrity of the articles is an important function.

I have slightly reformatted the material Matancherry furnished in a sandbox of mine. It is located in "Question 8" at User:Student7/Sandbox 23. Would you take a look at it for accuracy? I was thinking of moving this to the new Saint Thomas Christians Project, on the talk page, as (newly numbered) question 1 of a FAQ, which does not yet exist. I was going to go with this, but I recall you questioned him on overseas data for the Orthodox? Actually, like everything else, these "FAQ"s can be changed by any editor, but I did want the first one to be fairly solid before I inserted it. And no big deal if I insert it there and you change it. That would be fine, too. A bit difficult when we cannot verify this online, but it has a realistic feel to it.

(BTW you can ignore the other questions there. They are not ready for visibility yet! Okay to comment, but I'm not about to move them). Thanks. Student7 (talk) 21:46, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Can you please fix, what you have done in the Infobox of Indian Orthodo church.. Fyodor7 (talk) 03:16, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Please google "catholicose" and see, I know their are 2 versions floated...however the indian orthodox church on all its documents uses the spelling Catholicose. 117.97.116.235 (talk) 18:11, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Not here, which uses both: . Tb (talk) 18:15, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Thats what was told before, their are two versions, and what is used on hard copies is Catholicose.Thanks 117.97.116.235 (talk) 18:23, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

 * What's clear is that there are two spellings, and it seems that the spelling was changed. Why was it changed?  When?  Is there a reference documenting it?  Tb (talk) 18:58, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Piping on disambiguations
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A quick olive branch
I think it's possible that we both have a tendency to get very defensive when our good-faith actions are questioned. I just want to leave you this note to let you know that even though we obviously have a difference of opinion on this speedy-removal issue, I have a huge amount of respect for you and your contributions to the encyclopedia, and I'll be happy to work together constructively with you in the future. Thparkth (talk) 17:38, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Saying "inappropriate" was inappropriate and I shouldn't have.  I think "incorrect", but we can disagree about that and still work together.  Tb (talk) 19:16, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Pope Innocent XI
Hi. I've explained my motives for a recent change in this article that you've revereted. It seems to me unsusbtantial rumour created by the authors of Imprimatur for the promotion's purposes because I haven't found any single source supporting their claims indepenedently. I'm open for discussion CarlosPn (talk) 20:12, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

 * If there is no other source supporting their claims, I don't object to dropping it. Tb (talk) 17:53, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

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Talk:History of Wales

The Welsh Language
The article concerning Wales retaining its language needs much improvement. As a Welshman, I can tell you that English is the only language spoken by a significant number of the Welsh, particularly those who live in the South. In the South, where the Welsh language is not at all evident, Welsh is taught from scratch in schools as though it were a foreign language. Until the arrival of S4C, there was very little programming available in Welsh in Wales. Much is being done to restore Wales's mother-tongue. 86.19.113.92 (talk) 13:22, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * As a Welshperson who's lived and worked in a wide area of South Wales, I can't say I agree with you that the Welsh language is "not at all evident" as you put it. I know a lot of people who's first language is Welsh, but speak English in most places, because the English-only speakers (myself included) form such a majority.  (And the article is perfectly clear on the fact that Welsh speakers form a minority).  There are also plenty of (oversubscribed) Welsh medium schools in South Wales (although substantially outnumbered by English medium schools) which further belies your point about a lack of evidence of the Welsh language in the region.  Also your anecdotal "evidence" has no real place on wikipedia.  Cite some facts and figures from some reputable sources, and you might get listened to.  176.251.17.132 (talk) 14:36, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Wording and the Monmouthshire problem
Re History_of_Wales and Laws in Wales Acts 1535-1542

Does this, "it did for the first time define the England-Wales border " need to be clarified, on account of the Monmouthshire problem? Andy Dingley (talk) 11:02, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

 * Yes (though I don't have the book that seems to have been used as the source for the statement). Maybe state (in relation to the Laws in Wales Acts) that it "identified Wales as an area in which different laws on some matters were applied."  As well as the "Monmouthshire problem", it's also not true to say that either set of legislation was "the first" to define the border - Aethelstan established the Wye as the border between the English and Welsh in about 927.   Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:45, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

728 Battle of Carno
a possible Iolo forgery. See Talk:Óengus_I. — Llywelyn II   02:57, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

DNA Research:
Would advise this section is moved, unsure as to where, but appearing at a point within an otherwise chronological sub-sections is random and confusing. Also would the colon in the title be against Wikipedia style protocols?

Cymrogogoch (talk) 15:21, 1 November 2018 (UTC).

Position of pre-history in article
A recent edit changed the very beginning of the lede from "pre-history of Wales" to "history of Wales". This has problems because the article goes on to describe many details of a period that is, technically, before history began ("The history of Wales begins with the arrival of human beings in the region thousands of years ago...").

I get it, though. An article usually starts out with a definition/description of the actual topic of the article, bolded. So starting out describing pre-history has its problems. My bold solution would be to strip out the pre-historic material from the lede. It is covered in depth in the actual article, though there may be some references in the lede that are not in the article body; I'd be sure to retain those.

I thought I'd solicit opinion from other editors before I went ahead with that. signed, Willondon (talk) 23:12, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

I fully agree with you and i have improved the lead and kept all sources. 212.108.147.176 (talk) 07:11, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * That’s incorrect. “History” per any dictionary definition is the study of the “past”, or variants of that. Just because we use the idiomatic phrase “pre-history” doesn’t mean it’s outside of the definition. And now because the article rightly covers pre-history but the lead doesn’t it fails to comply with WP:LEAD so have restored it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeCausa (talk • contribs) 07:42, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with .  Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:44, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I love waking up after a good sleep to find the work's all been done. Looks good, all.  signed, Willondon (talk)  12:43, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Duplication
Could I draw editor attention to discussion here: Talk:Wales in the Middle Ages. Thanks. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:29, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Population Table
In this edit: I deleted a population table. I place it here to make it easy for editors to find and revert if they disagree. My reasons for deleting, however, are as follows: Hope that is ok. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 11:33, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) It uses two quite different sources, and that looks like it has a potential for WP:SYNTH, although the figures look reasonable on the face of it.
 * 2) It only goes back to the 16th century and this article goes much further back
 * 3) It is a lot of detail for an overview article, considering we have child articles
 * 4) If we present this kind of data I would prefer some kind of histogram so that a reader can quickly see the shape of population growth as well as the range of the numbers.
 * 5) The text does describe population growth, so we are not losing information by removing it

Historiography
there are plenty of Welsh historiography and Welsh Historians from Martin Johnnes, John Davies, Stephen Thompson has welsh biking and sports. Kenneth O Morgan has many welsh historiography Paul O Leary has some cultural identity papers too. Jamie Medhurts in his teaching and research has Welsh Television. Gethin Mathews specialises in Welsh World War One 148.252.129.105 (talk) 22:20, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

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Port of Varna

Port of Varna (Пристанище Варна, Pristanishte Varna) (map) is the largest seaport complex in Bulgaria. Located on the Black Sea's west coast on Varna Bay, along Lake Varna and Lake Beloslav, it also comprises the outlying port of Balchik. It has a significant further development potential with 44 km of sheltered inland waterfront on the lakes alone, easily accessible by road and railroad and adjacent to Varna International Airport.

Overview
There are two anchorages at Varna roadstead: summer and winter. If violent northeasterly wind and wave conditions make the anchorages hazardous, a foul weather anchorage is available west of the 70 m high Cape Kaliakra 26 nmi east-northeast of Varna.

Two inland canals connect the sea and Port of Varna East with Lake Varna, Lake Beloslav and Port of Varna West: Channel 1 with draft 11.5 m and Channel 2 with draft 11.0 m. The canals form an island (Острова) on which a deepwater oil terminal, among other port facilities, is currently located. The depths of the ship berths and the approaches allow the handling of vessels of capacity up to 50,000 gross tons. In view of the stated safe canal depths, only vessels of draft less than 9.9 m and airdraft up to 46 m are allowed to Varna West. Vessels with load over 200 m, beam over 26 m, or over 20,000 gross tons are required to pass the channels during daylight hours only. The largest vessel handled (as of 2006) is the Norwegian Dream cruise ship (220 m in length, 50,700 gross tons).

Port of Varna offers full service: loading, discharging, stevedoring, freight forwarding, storage and various intermodal services.

East terminal
 * 14 berths
 * 2,345 m berth
 * 97,600 m2 open storage
 * 41,258 m2 covered storage

West terminal
 * 22 berths
 * 3,430 m berth
 * 346,393 m2 open storage
 * 37,806 m2 covered storage
 * 10,000 m3 liquid storage

It has a well-forked railway and road network. The existing port facilities allow the handling of practically all kinds of solid bulk, break-bulk, containerized and some liquid-bulk cargoes.

Principal exports include urea, soda ash, cement, clinker, silica, fertilisers, grain, containers and ro-ro. Principal imports are coal, metals, ores and ore concentrates, oil, phosphates, timber, molasses, containers and ro-ro.

Since 2006, Port of Varna serves as a hub for BP and German wind turbine manufacturer Saga.

In 2008, the port posted a 57% growth in overall tonnage handled, and at times in late summer it was stretched beyond capacity, due to redirected cargo from striking ports in the region and the year's record export of wheat from northeastern Bulgaria.

Future plans
The updated general plan for the Port of Varna to 2020 was approved in 1999. Major projects for new construction, reconstruction and modernization include: a deepwater container terminal and a ro-ro terminal on the island under the Asparuhov most bridge, a grain terminal on the north shore of Lake Varna south of the Dry Port storage base, a liquid chemicals terminal and a cement and clinker terminal at Varna West, and modernization of the passenger and ro-ro terminals at Varna East.

In 2007, new plans were disclosed to relocate the container terminal from Varna East to a new larger basin on the northeastern shore of Lake Varna and to redevelop old port Varna East, located in the city centre, into a large marine attractions zone with a new cruise terminal, yacht marina, apartments, hotels, restaurants, museums, exhibitions, shopping, and other tourist facilities.

In 2008, plans were disclosed for another deepwater container terminal on the south side of the island for vessels carrying over 2500 twenty-foot equivalent units (TEU).

A liquified petroleum gas terminal is also being developed at Beloslav. Amidst the gas crisis of early 2009, discussions started of a new liquified natural gas terminal on 30 ha, possibly on the northwestern shore of Lake Varna at Ezerovo.

Also in 2008, discussions were resumed (suspended in 1981) for a 192 km long navigable canal Rousse–Varna connecting the lower river Danube with the Varna lakes and the Black Sea, but this enterprise is still considered economically unfeasible and utopian by many.

Other existing port terminals include the Cruise Terminal; Petrol, LesPort, and Varna Thermal Power Plant (handling oil, timber, and coal respectively); the Railroad Ferry Terminal, which is not part of the complex, is located on the south shore of Lake Beloslav opposite Varna West.

In June 2023 the European Investment Bank signed an agreement with Logistic Centre Varna EAD for a €50 million loan to co-finance a new grain terminal at the Black Sea port of Varna, expected to be operational in 2026.

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Mike Schmidt

Michael Jack Schmidt (born September 27, 1949) is an American former professional baseball third baseman. Schmidt played his entire 18-season career in Major League Baseball (MLB), from 1972 to 1989, for the Philadelphia Phillies, earning a total of $17 million. Schmidt was a 12-time All-Star and a three-time winner of the National League (NL) Most Valuable Player award (MVP), and he was known for his combination of power hitting and strong defense. As a hitter, he compiled 548 home runs and 1,595 runs batted in (RBIs), and led the NL in home runs eight times and in RBIs four times. As a fielder, Schmidt won the National League Gold Glove Award for third basemen ten times. Schmidt was elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame in 1995 and is widely considered to be one of the greatest third basemen in baseball history.

Having an unusual batting stance, Schmidt turned his back somewhat toward the pitcher and rocked his rear end back and forth while waiting for a pitch. By standing far back in the batter's box, he made it almost impossible to jam him by pitching inside.

Teammate Pete Rose once said, "To have his body, I'd trade him mine and my wife's, and I'd throw in some cash."

Early life
Schmidt's parents were Joseph Jack Schmidt (1926–2011) and Lois Jane Philipps (1926–2019). They managed the Philipps Aquatic Club founded by Lois's great-grandfather Charles A. Philipps in 1865. Schmidt was a lifeguard at the club.

At age 5, Schmidt climbed a tree and was electrocuted when he touched a wire; his heart stopped and he fell, causing his heart to restart. He survived with minimal burn marks.

Schmidt was a standout athlete in both Little League Baseball and in 3 sports at Fairview High School in Dayton, Ohio, from which he graduated in 1967. However, knee surgeries ended his participation in basketball and football. He then attended Ohio University in Athens, where he joined the Beta Theta Pi fraternity.

Amateur career
At Ohio University, Schmidt led the Ohio Bobcats baseball team to the College World Series in 1970 and was selected as the shortstop for the 1970 College Baseball All-America Team. Schmidt was drafted by the Phillies in the second round of the 1971 Major League Baseball draft, 30th overall.

Minor Leagues
On June 11, 1971, Schmidt was signed by Phillies scout Tony Lucadello, who had followed him since high school. Six days later, Schmidt made his professional debut in an exhibition game between the Phillies and their Double-A affiliate the Reading Phillies in Reading, Pennsylvania. Schmidt played the whole game at shortstop for the Phillies, hitting a game-winning home run against his future Reading teammates. Schmidt stayed in Reading, spending the rest of the 1971 season at the Double-A level. In 1972, he was promoted to the Triple-A Eugene Emeralds of the Pacific Coast League. Along with shortstop and third base, Schmidt was also a second baseman during his time in the minor leagues.

1972–1979
Schmidt spent two seasons in the Phillies' farm system, where he batted .263 with 34 home runs and 122 runs batted in. After playing most of the 1972 season for Triple-A Eugene, he was called up to the Phillies in September and made his major league debut against the New York Mets on September 12. Four days later, in Philadelphia on September 16, Schmidt ended Montreal Expos pitcher Balor Moore's streak of 25 scoreless innings pitched with his first career home run.

Following the 1972 season, the Phillies dealt third baseman Don Money to the Milwaukee Brewers to open a spot for Schmidt in their infield. While he batted only .196 with 136 strikeouts during his first full season in 1973, Schmidt demonstrated his power potential by hitting 18 home runs.

Schmidt had a breakout season in 1974, increasing his batting average to .282 and playing in the first of his twelve Major League Baseball All-Star Games. On June 10, in the Astrodome in Houston, Texas, Schmidt hit a ball off Houston Astros' pitcher Claude Osteen that looked like a sure home run. The ball hit a public address speaker suspended 117 feet above and 329 feet away from home plate, falling into center field. By the ground rules, it remained in play and Schmidt was held to just a single, with the runners on first and second each advancing just one base. It is believed that had the ball not hit the speaker, it would have traveled beyond 500 feet. For the season, Schmidt finished sixth in National League Most Valuable Player balloting as he batted .282 with 116 RBIs and a league-leading 36 home runs to help the Phillies avoid a last-place finish in the National League East for the first time since 1970. His 404 assists in 1974 remains a record for third basemen.

Schmidt's batting average hovered below .200 through May 1975. After solid performance in July and August, his average rose to .249 by the end of the season as he led the league in home runs for the second year in a row, with 38. Schmidt started the 1976 season by hitting 12 home runs in Philadelphia's first 15 games, including four in one game on April 17, placing him on the list of Major League Baseball single-game home run leaders and becoming the 10th player in major league history to accomplish that feat. For the season, Schmidt drove in 107 runs, led the league in home runs for the third year in a row (38), and won his first of ten Gold Gloves to lead the Phillies to their first division crown since division play started in 1969.

In 1977, Schmidt signed a contract with the Phillies that paid him $561,500 per year, making him the highest-paid player in baseball history to that point and the first to surpass $500,000 annually.

The Phillies captured the NL East crown three years in a row; however, they were swept by Cincinnati's "Big Red Machine" in 1976, and lost to the Los Angeles Dodgers in 1977 and 1978. On December 5, 1978, the Phillies signed Pete Rose as a free agent, temporarily making Rose the highest-paid athlete in team sports with a four-year, $3.2-million contract. With Rose on board, the Phillies were early favorites to repeat as division winners in 1979. Instead, the Phillies finished the season at 84–78, and in fourth place in NL East. For his part, Schmidt broke the club record for home runs in a season with 45, eclipsing Chuck Klein's 43 homers in 1929.

1980–1986
On October 3, 1980, the Phillies played against Montreal, tied with the Expos for first place in the NL East. With a sacrifice fly in the first, and a solo home run in the sixth, Schmidt led the Phillies to a 2–1 victory to capture first place. A day later, Schmidt hit his 48th home run of the season in the 11th inning to give the Phillies the 6–4 extra innings victory over the Expos, and clinch the division. His 48 home runs broke his own team record, and led the National League by a margin of 13 over his nearest competitor. Coupled with a league-leading 121 RBIs, his home runs made Schmidt a unanimous choice for the National League's Most Valuable Player Award.

The Phillies defeated the Houston Astros in the 1980 National League Championship Series to reach the World Series for the third time in franchise history. Though Schmidt had just a career .191 post-season batting average with no home runs and five RBIs, his bat came alive in the 1980 World Series, hitting two homers and driving in seven runs against the Kansas City Royals. The Phillies beat the Royals in six games to win the first World Series in franchise history, and Schmidt won the World Series MVP Award. Following the World Series, Schmidt and four of his Phillies teammates appeared on Family Feud for one week in 1980. He, Larry Bowa, Garry Maddox, Dick Ruthven and Del Unser took on five members of the Kansas City Royals: Dennis Leonard, Dan Quisenberry, Paul Splittorff, John Wathan and Willie Wilson.

Schmidt's best season may have been the strike-shortened 1981 season. His 31 home runs were seven more than anyone else in the league. He also led the NL in runs scored, RBIs, total bases and walks, and set personal highs in batting average, on-base percentage and slugging percentage. He won his second consecutive MVP award, this time with 96% of the vote.

The Phillies led the NL East by 3.5 games when the 1981 Major League Baseball strike hit. As a result, the Phillies were named NL East champions for the first half of the season; however, they lost to the second-half champion Montreal Expos in the 1981 National League Division Series.

In 1983, in celebration of the team's 100th anniversary, Schmidt was voted by fans the greatest player in the history of the franchise. That year, he led the league in home runs for the sixth time in his career to lead the Phillies back to the postseason. Schmidt led his team with a .467 batting average and scored five runs as they defeated the Los Angeles Dodgers in the 1983 National League Championship Series. It was, however, a much different story against the Baltimore Orioles in the 1983 World Series. The Phillies were held to a .195 team batting average; Schmidt went just 1-for-20 with a single.

Following the 1983 season, Schmidt was awarded the Lou Gehrig Memorial Award. That off-season, Pete Rose left the Phillies as a free agent and signed with the Montreal Expos. With a hole at first base, the Phillies played Tim Corcoran and Len Matuszek in a platoon system during the 1984 season. Neither player provided the offensive spark Rose did, and so a change was in order. Early in the 1985 season, Schmidt agreed to move to first base (starting from late May) through the end of the season with Rick Schu assuming third base duties. The Phillies finished with a record below .500 for the first time since 1974.

In 1986, the Phillies moved outfielder Von Hayes to first base and shifted Schmidt back to third base. He responded by winning his third MVP award, a record for third basemen, with a league-leading 37 home runs and 119 RBIs. As of 2024, Schmidt is the most recent player to have led his league in RBIs four times.

1987–1989
Trailing the Pittsburgh Pirates 6–5 in the top of the ninth inning at Three Rivers Stadium on April 18, 1987, Schmidt became a member of the 500 home run club, hitting a three-run shot off of Don Robinson. It put the Phillies ahead 8–6, and ended up being the game-winner.

Injuries to Schmidt's rotator cuff caused him to miss the last month and a half of the 1988 season. He returned healthy for the 1989 season. However, after a poor start, Schmidt suddenly chose to announce his retirement in San Diego, on May 29. Although he typically demonstrated little emotion on the field, and was known as "Captain Cool" by many in Philadelphia sports circles, Schmidt surprised many with an emotional, and occasionally tearful, retirement speech. He said in his retirement press conference, "'Some 18 years ago, I left Dayton, Ohio, with two very bad knees and a dream of becoming a major-league baseball player; I thank God this dream came true.'" His last game was May 28, 1989, against the San Francisco Giants.

Despite his own perceived subpar start and subsequent retirement on May 29, fans once again voted Schmidt to be the starting third baseman for the NL All-Star team. He decided not to play, but he did participate in the opening ceremony of the 1989 Major League Baseball All-Star Game in uniform.

Career statistics
Over his career, Schmidt set a vast array of hitting and fielding records. In addition to his MVP Awards, Schmidt won ten Gold Gloves, led the league in home runs eight times, in RBIs four times, OPS five times, and walks four times. He was named to 12 All-Star teams. He is the Phillies' all-time leader in games played, at-bats, plate appearances, runs scored, home runs, RBI, walks, strikeouts, total bases, runs created, sacrifice flies, outs, Adj. Batting Runs, Adj. Batting Wins, Extra Base Hits, Times On Base, and Power-Speed number. Schmidt's 548 home runs are the most ever hit by a player who spent his entire career with just one team.

Schmidt is one of only three players (along with Willie Mays and Ken Griffey Jr.) to win 10 Gold Gloves and hit at least 500 home runs, and is the only infielder ever to do so.

Post-playing career and accolades
In 1990, Schmidt was named "The Player of the Decade" of the 1980s by The Sporting News.

His uniform number 20 was retired by the Phillies before a game at Veterans Stadium on May 26, 1990. That same season, Mike was inducted as a member of the Philadelphia Baseball Wall of Fame. He had previously been inducted as the third baseman for the Phillies' Centennial Team in 1983.

In 1991, he and Nolan Ryan were inducted into the Peter J. McGovern Little League Museum's Hall of Excellence, established in 1988, thereby becoming only the second and third MLB players inducted into the Hall.

In 1995, on his first ballot, Schmidt was elected to the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum with what was at the time the fourth highest voting percentage ever, 96.52%.

In 1997, Schmidt was elected as the starting third-baseman by the Baseball Writers' Association of America to the Major League Baseball All-Time Team. The event was celebrated at the 1997 Major League Baseball All-Star Game in Cleveland, Ohio.

In 1999, he ranked number 28 on The Sporting News's list of the 100 Greatest Baseball Players, the highest-ranking third baseman, and the highest-ranking player whose career began after 1967.

Also in 1999, he was elected to the Major League Baseball All-Century Team as the starting third-baseman. The event was celebrated at the 1999 Major League Baseball All-Star Game in Boston, Massachusetts.

Schmidt was honored with a statue outside the third-base gate at Citizens Bank Park in 2004.

On September 27, 2006, Schmidt was announced as the Phillies representative for the DHL Hometown Heroes promotion, beating out Steve Carlton, Richie Ashburn, Robin Roberts and Chuck Klein as most outstanding player in Phillies history.

In October 2014, his alma mater, Ohio University, retired his number 10 by the Ohio University Baseball Team, which he led to the College World Series in 1970.

In 2015, Schmidt was named one of the Phillies "Franchise Four" as voted by the fans, along with Steve Carlton, Richie Ashburn and Robin Roberts.

Schmidt has been a vocal advocate for the reinstatement of Pete Rose to baseball.

In July 2005, on Bob Costas's HBO show Costas Now Schmidt said, "if I had played during that era I would have taken steroids". In his 2006 book, Clearing the Bases: Juiced Players, Monster Salaries, Sham Records, and a Hall of Famer's Search for the Soul of Baseball, he somewhat recanted that statement, saying that he understood the desire to get a competitive advantage even though he could not condone breaking the rules to do so.

Coaching
Starting in 2002, Schmidt worked with the Phillies as a hitting coach during each Spring training. In October 2003, Schmidt was named the manager of the Phillies' Single A Florida State League affiliate, the Clearwater Threshers. He managed them for just the 2004 season, then resigned. In 2009, he served as third-base coach for Team USA in the World Baseball Classic.

Broadcasting
NBC used Schmidt as a guest analyst for Game 1 of the 1989 NLCS. Schmidt subsequently, did on-field reporting throughout the series. Schmidt also provided periodic commentary (albeit, taped prior to the playoffs) for ABC during the 1988 National League Championship Series.

Schmidt spent the 1990 season as a color analyst with the Phillies broadcast team on the now-defunct PRISM network, where he was partnered with play-by-play announcer Jim Barniak, and was known to be very candid and honest with his commentary. From 2014 to 2019, he served as a color analyst for the Phillies. Starting in 2014, he provided commentary during Sunday home games on NBC Sports Philadelphia. In 2015, Schmidt also provided commentary during Saturday home games, creating a "Weekends with Schmidt" format. He returned to NBC Sports Philadelphia as a color commentator during Phillies games in 2022.

Personal life
In February 1974 Schmidt married Donna Wightman; they had two children. In 1979, they bought a 12,000 square foot home in Upper Providence Township, Delaware County, Pennsylvania for $490,000. In 1991, they bought an 8,500 square foot house in the Admiral’s Cove golf community in Jupiter, Florida for $425,000.

In 2014, Schmidt disclosed that he had stage-3 melanoma in the summer of 2013, but that he was now cancer-free.

Philanthropy
In 2001, Schmidt began sponsoring an annual fishing tournament in Grand Bahama Island. It has raised a total of over $2.5 million for charities including the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, American Cancer Society, and Cleveland Clinic.

In 2008, Schmidt released a wine called Mike Schmidt 548 Zinfandel, a reference to his 548 career home runs, with proceeds also going to the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation.

He also regularly participates in charity golf tournaments.

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