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Louis Néel

Louis Eugène Félix Néel (22 November 1904 – 17 November 2000) was a French physicist born in Lyon who received the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1970 for his studies of the magnetic properties of solids.

Biography
Néel studied at the Lycée du Parc in Lyon and was accepted at the École Normale Supérieure in Paris. He obtained the degree of Doctor of Science at the University of Strasbourg. He was corecipient (with the Swedish astrophysicist Hannes Alfvén) of the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1970 for his pioneering studies of the magnetic properties of solids. His contributions to solid state physics have found numerous useful applications, particularly in the development of improved computer memory units. About 1930 he suggested that a new form of magnetic behavior might exist; called antiferromagnetism, as opposed to ferromagnetism. Above a certain temperature (the Néel temperature) this behaviour stops. Néel pointed out (1948) that materials could also exist showing ferrimagnetism. Néel has also given an explanation of the weak magnetism of certain rocks, making possible the study of the history of Earth's magnetic field.

He is the instigator of the Polygone Scientifique in Grenoble.

The Louis Néel Medal, awarded annually by the European Geophysical Society, is named in Néel's honour.

Néel died at Brive-la-Gaillarde on 17 November 2000 at the age 95, just 5 days short of his 96th birthday.

Awards and honours
Néel received numerous awards and honours for his work including:

Awards

 * Hughes Prize of the Académie des sciences (1935)
 * Félix Robin Prize of the Société française de physique (1938)
 * André Blondel Medal (1948)
 * Grand prix du conseil de l’association « Au service de la pensée française » (1949)
 * Holweck Prize (1952)
 * Elected Foreign Member of the Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences (1959)
 * Three Physicists Prize (1963)
 * Gold Medal of CNRS (1965)
 * Elected Foreign Member of the Royal Society (ForMemRS) in 1966
 * Nobel Prize in Physics (1970)
 * Great Gold Medal of l’Électronique (1971)
 * Great Gold Medal of the Société d’encouragement pour la recherche et l’invention (1973)
 * Founding member of the World Cultural Council (1981).

Distinctions
Owing to his involvement in national defense, particularly through research in the protection of warships by demagnetization against magnetic mines, he received numerous distinctions:

 * Legion of Honour:
 * Knight (for exceptional military services) (1940)
 * Officer (1951)
 * Commander (1958)
 * Grand Officer (1966)
 * Grand Cross (1974)
 * Croix de Guerre with Palm (1940)
 * Commander of the Ordre des Palmes Académiques (1957)
 * Knight of the Order of Social Merit (1963)
 * Grand Cross of the National Order of Merit (1972)
 * Honorary Admiral (French Navy)

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Talk:Eric XI of Sweden

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Good work here. There are a lot of gaps in pre-Vasa Swedish history to the English reader. Its a big help to my work.

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King Eric had a club foot and was also called Ericus Balbus. The English word halter is the closest possible translation of the Swedish "halte". Educated English-speakers know that the English verb "halt" is to limp. Non-Swedish natives do not flatter themselves by being masteful about the English language or trying to ridicule English natives using English correctly. SergeWoodzing (talk) 10:35, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

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Talk:Gustav Vasa

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Is there a link to a narrative here? I'm a bit new to Wikipedia so I'm not sure. If not, I can probably expand the article given time to collect some materials. Let me know. Simon George — Preceding undated comment added 16:53, 28 June 2003 (UTC)

Forget what I just said. I've found a good link to modern Swedish history from this page. Thanks Simon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simon George (talk • contribs) 16:55, 28 June 2003 (UTC)

I am not sure Gustav was succeeded by his son John in Finland. Even if John was duke in Finland, it still belonged to Sweden and the Swedish king, John´s brother Erik XIV. Dan Koehl 09:18 1 Jul 2003 (UTC)

The king's primarily known as Gustav Vasa. BL 19:50, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)

Yes, but wasn't the former name of the article ("Gustav I of Sweden") in accordance with some Wikipolicy on names on monarchs? /Tuomas 12:20, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This should be under Gustav I of Sweden - all other variants (including Gustav Vasa) should be taken care of with redirs. 62.78.106.159 21:07, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yea yea yea... Todo
 * Mentioning all the events that the images in the gallery depict. --Fred-Chess July 1, 2005 14:14 (UTC)

Divergent versions of Nils Dacke's end
I find several Wikipedia pages giving rather divergent versions of the same events. Can somebody with a good knowlege of Swedish history try to harmonise them a bit?

Page: Nils Dacke

After this defeat the rebellion was all but over and Dacke became an outlaw. He was shot and killed in 1543 on the border between the two nowadays southern Swedish provinces Sm?land and Blekinge, then a border between Sweden and Denmark, while trying to escape from the king's mercenaries. Even though Dacke was not executed, his body was dismembered and the parts were sent for public display in larger communities that had supported him during the rebellion. Gustav Vasa ordered the annihilation of Dacke's entire family, but was milder against those who had given themselves up. Thus, the unity of the realm was restored.

Page: Dacke War

Dacke's forces were beaten and Dacke himself was wounded. The same year in August he was surrounded and shot in R?dby in Blekinge. Gustav Vasa carried through harsh punishments for the uprising. Dacke's home district was plundered and all his family members were executed or deported.

Page: Gustav I of Sweden

Nils was eventually betrayed by his own relatives, caught, and quartered; it is said that his body parts were displayed througout Sweden as a warning to other would-be rebels.

Page: Smaland

Dacke himself was shot while trying to escape to then-Danish Blekinge. Adam Keller 21:37, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look; the standard version in Swedish sources is that he recovered a bit from the leg wounds (enough to walk with some ease?) but the battle broke his army and he was unble to regain momentum; he is supposed to have been killed, maybe betrayed and ambushed, while trying to cross over into Blekinge in July/August 1543. Moving through the woods on crutches, btw, would have been almost undoable in those days; back then we're talking of very rough forests with boulders, fallen over trees, many lakes and streams and few proper paths (they have been a bit cleared since). Strausszek 23:00, 26 November 2008 (CET)

The aid from the Hansa?
I thought that one of the resons for lutheranizing Sweden was to be able to confiscate all church bells which were melted down as payment for the Hansa's aid in defeating the Danes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jienz (talk • contribs) 15:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

His real name
Respect the native form of his name, Gösta Jerksson. Since he was born in the Old Swedish speaking period, I have also added the normalized Old Norse version of the name, Gautstafr Eiríksson. (This seems to be done for other Swedish kings of the period, e.g. for Birger Brosa, Old Norse Birgir Brósa.) Of course, I put these two names within parantheses in the head of the article. // Jens Persson (193.10.116.24 13:18, 11 September 2007 (UTC))
 * Do you have any source using either of these two forms of his name? Olaus 20:13, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I removed the Old Norse version, it's not relevant. Not sure what you mean with the reference to Birger Brosa and "other Swedish kings of the period". Birger Brosa and Gustav Vasa belong to two entirely separate periods, about 350 years between them. Surely you wouldn't argue that Olof Palme and Gustaf II Adolf belong to the same period?? The time between them is about the same... Old Norse was still in use when Birger Brosa was alive, not so when Gustav Vasa lived. JdeJ 10:08, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

This is nonsense. Gustav Wasa never used Old Norse. Birger Brosa and Gustav Wasa belong to two very different periodes - Elizabeth I and William the Conqueror... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.209.222.107 (talk) 09:10, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

This article sucks and should be rewritten in it's whole. It is as if a neonazi 6th grader wrote it... Stuff like this makes me sick. (Darioist (talk) 06:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC))

Suggested Changes: Second and third paragraph under Early Life not in chronological order. It would also be a good idea to group all the legends pertaining under one headline. And how about some footnotes? //Paul — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.61.93 (talk) 18:55, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Feel free to improve it / rewrite it any way.
 * 6th grader neo-nazi Fred-J 21:08, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

I get confused when Iam comparing this english article to the one in swedish. How was Gustav Vasa taken as a prisoner bu the danish? When I read this article it seems he was taken as a prisoner in a battle, when I read the swedish that he his left over by the swedes to the danish as a hostage. Can someone correct this and make it more clear how it happend? Awakened82 (talk) 16:29, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Odd phrasing?
Explain to me how a hereditary monarchy can "continue to date" when the Bernadotte family has no connection to the Vasa? DW75 (talk) 22:22, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The first Bernadotte king wad adopted by the last Oldenburg king, the crown passing from the latter to the former directly and without vacancy. I suppose that's it. Surtsicna (talk) 22:46, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It's more of a constitutional question. When the Vasa's were going extinct, the government chose the Wittelsbach's to succeed. When they went extinct they chose the Oldenburg's, and when they went extinct Bernadotte was adopted.
 * Thus, the current king does descend from Gustav I through female lines which were chosen - actually Carl XVI Gustaf descends from as far back as Eric the Victorious and most of the other Swedish kings as well. SergeWoodzing (talk) 00:38, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * And you know this from ??? Stupidity, Serge ! For instance Charles XII died with no children, his sister became Queen and Monarch, but gave the title away to her husband. Later Russia chose a new bloodline, extinguished after Charles XIII. All we know of Jean-Pierre Bernadotte, is that he was a Napoleon Field Marshal, coming from Pau, southernmost France. His father was perhaps a lawyer. He was chosen by Mörner as a French Field Marshal and elected Crown Prince at Örebro Riksdag. Boeing720 (talk) 22:53, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Olaus Petri
Please see my note in the talk page for Olaus Petri, whose article I revised today and tried to conform with this one (but don't have time to do more). He and Laurentius Andreae received death sentences in January 1540, which were commuted two years later, but this article doesn't mention either that assassination attempt, conspiracy or kerfuffle. Jweaver28 (talk) 21:59, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Gallery
Gustav Triumph copies attributed to J Wendelius (1722), Verket finns på Kungliga Biblioteket. Mjjolley (talk) 20:34, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Move to "Gustav Vasa"
MOVE to Gustav Vasa This King is simply known as "Gustav Vasa" in all Swedish history books and encyclopedias. Doubt very much he was much known outside of Scandinavia. Boeing720 (talk) 22:43, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Naval aspects
It seems strange that this article makes absolutely no mention of the naval aspects of the campaign that brought Gustav Vasa to power. A key ingredient of the help that came from Lubeck was a fleet of ships. These were state of the art vessels (at a time of rapidly developing maritime technology) and were instrumental in, for instance, the blockading of Stockholm in the winter of 1522-23, so allowing capture of the city.

A useful summary of the history, from a naval point of view, is in the historical preamble to a paper on the investigation of the wreck of one of the ships in this navy This and other sources may be useful in righting the deficit.

I am putting the a very similar comment on Talk:Swedish War of Liberation ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 15:09, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 18 October 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Lightoil (talk) 19:20, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Gustav I of Sweden → Gustav Vasa – Gustav Vasa is by far the most commonly used name for "Gustav I", with most other mentions of him on Wikipedia already using it, including the Swedish page. PeenikePorgand (talk) 14:45, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * PeenikePorgand, could you please provide some evidence for your argument? I am ready to support the common name but it is not as clear cut in this case as it often is. In any case "of Sweden" is not needed; compare with Carl XVI Gustaf, Gustaf V, etc. Surtsicna (talk) 15:09, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Here's the statistics from Google Ngram viewer: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Gustav+Vasa%2CGustav+I&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3#
 * As you can see, Gustav Vasa is more widely used than Gustav I by a wide margin
 * Google Trends seems to show them at about the same popularity, but with the spike around summer (500 year anniversary of him being crowned king) only appling to "Gustav Vasa", I would guess that a lot searches for "Gustav I" are unrelated. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=Gustav%20I,Gustav%20Vasa&hl=en-US PeenikePorgand (talk) 15:25, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * That is certainly convincing. I support this proposal. Surtsicna (talk) 16:20, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

 * Support - While I generally prefer "[Monarch] # of [Country]", this is a clear situation where point 2 of WP:SOVEREIGNS applies, much like Gustavus Adolphus. estar8806 (talk) ★ 20:27, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:COMMONNAME. Rreagan007 (talk) 02:05, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support He’s more commonly known as Gustav Vasa.  ✠ Robertus Pius ✠ (Talk • Contribs) 16:06, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose (1) Vasa was not his surname; (2) he never used that name; (3) no indication in the article name that he was a monarch or anyone more significant that Joe Schmoe. These 3 facts should overide commonname. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:18, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * None of those are recognized exceptions to our policy of using the most common English name for the article title. But I will point out that "of Sweden" was also not his surname, he never used the name "Gustav I of Sweden", and the first sentence of the article and the infobox clearly states that he was King of Sweden, and the fact that he has a Wikipedia article indicates that he is more significant than Joe Schmoe. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:37, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It is not clear that his most common name in English is Gustav Vasa. Swedish literature is included in the survey. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:59, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The Google Ngrams, which only uses English-language sources, clearly shows that "Gustav Vasa" is much more common than "Gustav I". Rreagan007 (talk) 21:56, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

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 * Support per Surtsicna, estar8806, Rreagan007 and Robertus Pius. Gustav Vasa is indeed the WP:COMMONNAME. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 02:09, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per other supportive editors. Killuminator (talk) 12:05, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Question When this gets moved by consensus, how many of you supporters will keep an eye on the article to prevent users not familiar with the name form from calling him "Vasa" as if it was a surname? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:15, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Don't think this will be an issue, as he's known as "Gustav Eriksson" in multiple places in the article already, with a mix of Gustav I and Gustav Vasa when it isn't about his life before he became king. PeenikePorgand (talk) 19:24, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

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Planetary differentiation

In planetary science, planetary differentiation is the process by which the chemical elements of a planetary body accumulate in different areas of that body, due to their physical or chemical behavior (e.g. density and chemical affinities). The process of planetary differentiation is mediated by partial melting with heat from radioactive isotope decay and planetary accretion. Planetary differentiation has occurred on planets, dwarf planets, the asteroid 4 Vesta, and natural satellites (such as the Moon).

Gravitational separation
High-density materials tend to sink through lighter materials. This tendency is affected by the relative structural strengths, but such strength is reduced at temperatures where both materials are plastic or molten. Iron, the most common element that is likely to form a very dense molten metal phase, tends to congregate towards planetary interiors. With it, many siderophile elements (i.e. materials that readily alloy with iron) also travel downward. However, not all heavy elements make this transition as some chalcophilic heavy elements bind into low-density silicate and oxide compounds, which differentiate in the opposite direction.

The main compositionally differentiated zones in the solid Earth are the very dense iron-rich metallic core, the less dense magnesium-silicate-rich mantle and the relatively thin, light crust composed mainly of silicates of aluminium, sodium, calcium and potassium. Even lighter still are the watery liquid hydrosphere and the gaseous, nitrogen-rich atmosphere.

Lighter materials tend to rise through material with a higher density. A light mineral such as plagioclase would rise. They may take on dome-shaped forms called diapirs when doing so. On Earth, salt domes are salt diapirs in the crust which rise through surrounding rock. Diapirs of molten low-density silicate rocks such as granite are abundant in the Earth's upper crust. The hydrated, low-density serpentinite formed by alteration of mantle material at subduction zones can also rise to the surface as diapirs. Other materials do likewise: a low-temperature, near-surface example is provided by mud volcanoes.

Chemical differentiation
Although bulk materials differentiate outward or inward according to their density, the elements that are chemically bound in them fractionate according to their chemical affinities, "carried along" by more abundant materials with which they are associated. For instance, although the rare element uranium is very dense as a pure element, it is chemically more compatible as a trace element in the Earth's light, silicate-rich crust than in the dense metallic core.

Heating
When the Sun ignited in the solar nebula, hydrogen, helium and other volatile materials were evaporated in the region around it. The solar wind and radiation pressure forced these low-density materials away from the Sun. Rocks, and the elements comprising them, were stripped of their early atmospheres, but themselves remained, to accumulate into protoplanets.

Protoplanets had higher concentrations of radioactive elements early in their history, the quantity of which has reduced over time due to radioactive decay. For example, the hafnium-tungsten system demonstrates the decay of two unstable isotopes and possibly forms a timeline for accretion. Heating due to radioactivity, impacts, and gravitational pressure melted parts of protoplanets as they grew toward being planets. In melted zones, it was possible for denser materials to sink towards the center, while lighter materials rose to the surface. The compositions of some meteorites (achondrites) show that differentiation also took place in some asteroids (e.g. Vesta), that are parental bodies for meteoroids. The short-lived radioactive isotope 26Al was probably the main source of heat.

When protoplanets accrete more material, the energy of impact causes local heating. In addition to this temporary heating, the gravitational force in a sufficiently large body creates pressures and temperatures which are sufficient to melt some of the materials. This allows chemical reactions and density differences to mix and separate materials, and soft materials to spread out over the surface. Another external heat source is tidal heating.

On Earth, a large piece of molten iron is sufficiently denser than continental crust material to force its way down through the crust to the mantle.

In the outer Solar System, a similar process may take place but with lighter materials: they may be hydrocarbons such as methane, water as liquid or ice, or frozen carbon dioxide.

Fractional melting and crystallization
Magma in the Earth is produced by partial melting of a source rock, ultimately in the mantle. The melt extracts a large portion of the "incompatible elements" from its source that are not stable in the major minerals. When magma rises above a certain depth the dissolved minerals start to crystallize at particular pressures and temperatures. The resulting solids remove various elements from the melt, and melt is thus depleted of those elements. Study of trace elements in igneous rocks thus gives us information about what source melted by how much to produce a magma, and which minerals have been lost from the melt.

Thermal diffusion
When material is unevenly heated, lighter material migrates toward hotter zones and heavier material migrates towards colder areas, which is known as thermophoresis, thermomigration, or the Soret effect. This process can affect differentiation in magma chambers. A deeper understanding of this process can be drawn back to a study done on the Hawaiian lava lakes. The drilling of these lakes led to the discovery of crystals formed within magma fronts. The magma containing concentrations of these large crystals or phenocrysts demonstrated differentiation through the chemical melt of crystals.

Lunar KREEP
On the Moon, a distinctive basaltic material has been found that is high in "incompatible elements" such as potassium, rare earth elements, and phosphorus and is often referred to by the abbreviation KREEP. It is also high in uranium and thorium. These elements are excluded from the major minerals of the lunar crust which crystallized out from its primeval magma ocean, and the KREEP basalt may have been trapped as a chemical differentiate between the crust and the mantle, with occasional eruptions to the surface.

Differentiation through collision
Earth's Moon probably formed out of material splashed into orbit by the impact of a large body into the early Earth. Differentiation on Earth had probably already separated many lighter materials toward the surface, so that the impact removed a disproportionate amount of silicate material from Earth, and left the majority of the dense metal behind. The Moon's density is substantially less than that of Earth, due to its lack of a large iron core. On Earth, physical and chemical differentiation processes led to a crustal density of approximately 2700 kg/m3 compared to the 3400 kg/m3 density of the compositionally different mantle just below, and the average density of the planet as a whole is 5515 kg/m3.

Core formation mechanisms
Core formation utilizes several mechanisms in order to control the movement of metals into the interior of a planetary body. Examples include percolation, diking, diapirism, and the direct delivery of impacts are mechanisms involved in this process. The metal to silicate density difference causes percolation or the movement of a metal downward. Diking is a process in which a new rock formation forms within a fracture of a pre-existing rock body. For example, if minerals are cold and brittle, transport can occur through fluid cracks. A sufficient amount of pressure must be met for a metal to successfully travel through the fracture toughness of the surrounding material. The size of the metal intruding and the viscosity of the surrounding material determines the rate of the sinking process. The direct delivery of impacts occurs when an impactor of similar proportions strikes the target planetary body. During the impact, there is an exchange of pre-existing cores containing metallic material.

The planetary differentiation event is said to have most likely happened after the accretion process of either the asteroid or a planetary body. Terrestrial bodies and iron meteorites consist of Fe-Ni alloys. The Earth's core is primarily composed Fe-Ni alloys. Based on the studies of short lived radionuclides, the results suggest that core formation process occurred during an early stage of the solar system. Siderophile elements such as, sulfur, nickel, and cobalt can dissolve in molten iron; these elements help the differentiation of iron alloys.

The first stages of accretion set up the groundwork for core formation. First, terrestrial planetary bodies enter a neighboring planet's orbit. Next, a collision would take place and the terrestrial body could either grow or shrink. However, in most cases, accretion requires multiple collisions of similar sized objects to have a major difference in the planet's growth. Feeding zones and hit and run events are characteristics that can result after accretion.

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A News

A News, or Netnews Version A, originally known simply as news, was the first widely distributed program for serving and reading Usenet newsgroups. The program, written at Duke University by Steve Daniel and Tom Truscott, was released on a tape given out at the June 1980 USENIX conference held at the University of Delaware. Steve Daniel from Duke offered a presentation on the then-new Usenet network and invited attendees to join.

Seventh Edition Unix included a "message of the day" facility, which allowed the system operator to cause messages to be displayed to the user at login. A News (so called because each message began with "A" as a marker character) was an expansion of this facility that allowed news messages to be distributed across an arbitrary number of systems using the new uucp service.

In addition to the login display, news articles could be read at any time from the command line. A user could also post new messages to the local machine (by posting to a special default newsgroup called "general") or queue it for network-wide transmission by placing it in a public group such as "NET.general".

The software was designed primarily for announcements, so the interface was extremely simple. There were no provisions built in for replying to articles over news (e-mail replies were supported), skipping over messages, or threading. Because the system was designed only with uucp in mind, posters were identified by their uucp "bang path" addresses, a feature that persists (albeit more for identifying servers than users) in modern Usenet. ARPAnet addressing was not supported.

The message format was designed for compactness rather than flexibility, consistent with the slow dialup modems used in 1980. The initial "A" dictated the layout of header and message information, and expansions would require changing the initial character. This scheme was abandoned after A news for the more verbose but expandable format seen.

Because Usenet grew rapidly, the limited capabilities and simplistic article storage scheme (all articles were placed in a single disk directory and there was no facility for expiring old articles) quickly made A News impractical to use. It was largely superseded by B News, although some organizations continued to use it for internal communications for many years. Later modifications did add the ability to process the early B News article format and act on B News control articles.

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Talk:White stork

Picture
I have taken a "real picture" of the White Stork.

Can be seen on the danish wiki http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hvid_stork

BrianHansen 17:06 28 Jun 2003 (UTC)

 * Thank you Brian, it's always better to have photos, jimfbleak 07:45 30 Jun 2003 (UTC)

White Stork in The Netherlands
The data of number of breeding storks in The Netherlands is outdated, according to the Dutch Centre of Field Ornithology (www.sovon.nl) there are roughly 350 breeding pairs. 145.97.215.13 (talk)
 * Can you find an appropriate reference? Only one I could find quickly was 273 breeding pairs in 1998 . If you have appropriate source, please update article and add link to the source as well. DLX 18:32, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't give a reference but having just seen more storks in a single field than wikipedia says are in the whole of nl, I can certainly say that the cirrenb figure is wrong and needs removing if noone can improve on it.--94.157.243.176 (talk) 16:02, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

I think it says something about the quality of this page that the data has not been updated in 15 years.(2A02:A440:948D:1:C1C8:9D22:E0CC:C32A (talk) 16:59, 1 May 2021 (UTC))
 * Well, you can complain about it, or you can provide a reference and update it! I suppose it's easier to just complain. MeegsC (talk) 20:01, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

White storks in Burgenland, Austria
Neusiedlersee (New Settlers Lake) in Burgenland, Austria has a sizable white stork community. In fact many of the cities surrounding this lake RELY on the nesting storks for tourism. It would be nice to see Austria included as one of the european countries that 'hosts' the migrating and nesting storks. Sadly I am just a visitor to the region at the moment, so I cannot provide numbers or cites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Belindalibrarian (talk • contribs) 10:17, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

White Stork is the collaboration for December 2010
Nominated November 30 2010;
 * 1) Support: -Shyamal (talk) 04:33, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Maias (talk) 05:02, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Sabine's Sunbird   talk  08:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) -- Kim van der Linde at venus 00:41, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Very high visibility bird (responsible for bringing babies in much of Europe!), with considerable published research and article in rather poor shape. Shyamal (talk) 04:33, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * And I want to add, the baby-stork story has more truth to it then people think, not that they bring babies, but that storks are generally more common in areas that also carry larger families. This is because of a correlation between the fertility of the ground that makes both higher stock populations and bigger families possible. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 00:41, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Lead pic
File:Ciconia_ciconia_(aka).jpg Should we replace the current taxobox pic (which is an immature bird, as the dusky tip on the bill and duller legs indicate) with a picture of an adult? Or is that not important? There's a pretty good pic of an adult (see right), but it's a captive bird with the requisite band. MeegsC | Talk 15:56, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The new infobox image is a clear image of a zoo bird. Snowman (talk) 17:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Infobox legend
In the infobox, why is 'migration routes' larger than the other items in the legend? — focus 17:17, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't know, not sure how to fix either colour

Images and refs
 Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  15:20, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I've checked the licensing of all the images and tweaked the captions where necessary
 * I've had a couple of runs through the refs, added one for arrow-stork, but taken two dead links out and replaced with cite tags. I've tidied up the refs to be of consistent style (no full stop after initials, abstracts linked only from doi/pmid, one subscription only tag added etc) The journals aren't all spelt out in full
 * Not sure that the Ukrainian and Polish refs in last section bear close scrutiny

Some refs about Stork in Culture
Hi, Found some refs but too busy to do anything with them anytime soon. Perhaps someone would like to trawl them for linking the White Stork back to Pythagoras etc.

 * http://storks.poland.pl/interesting_facts/article,Stork_in_beliefs_culture_and_history,id,88382.htm

 * http://books.google.co.in/books?id=SzEIAQAAIAAJ&ots=IF6oNSO5Rv&vq=stork%20Pythagoras&dq=White%20Stork%20Pythagoras&lr&pg=PA8#v=snippet&q=stork%20Pythagoras&f=false

 * http://books.google.co.in/books?hl=en&lr=&id=9v567GJJuKgC&oi=fnd&pg=PA1&ots=kyTQ1ZFIZf&sig=Ep1si7sdCpX3S_eUKHjE9m-6z2E#v=onepage&q=stork&f=false - Aristotles History of Animals in Ten Books, Author Richard Cresswell, Publisher READ BOOKS, 2008, ISBN 1409782468, 9781409782469, Length 340 page.

The Wordsworth Dictionary of Phrase and Fable - Wordsworth Reference Series, Author Ebenezer Cobham Brewer, Publisher Wordsworth Editions, 2001, ISBN 1840223103, 9781840223101, Length 1158 pages.
 * http://books.google.co.in/books?hl=en&lr=&id=IgjAJazrBWwC&oi=fnd&pg=PA1&dq=Stork+Pythagoras&ots=bph9a6WgPE&sig=p0SCMNwDCqejMeKLqfci2P2WHZc#v=onepage&q=stork&f=false

 * http://books.google.co.in/books?id=VD1jAAAAMAAJ&pg=PT787&lpg=PT787&dq=Stork+Pythagoras&source=bl&ots=f1A7AFiv_3&sig=csxQ3gc41cegrUAFZA18utOYZBg&hl=en&ei=t-D7TKL_G8XVrQeJmLGSCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Stork%20Pythagoras&f=false A general biographical dictionary, Volume 2, A General Biographical Dictionary, John Gorton, Author John Gorton, Publisher Whittaker and co., 1838, Original from the University of Michigan.

AshLin (talk) 05:19, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It seems that past versions of this article had referenced facts which can be retrieved as also the past and present versions of Mythology in Stork. AshLin (talk) 05:29, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * And a couple of images that need more background for inclusion. Shyamal (talk) 14:27, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

 * The Hans Christian Anderson illustration can be included, since it can go on the English Wikipedia, though not on Commons; I've nominated it for deletion on Commons. —innotata 00:24, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Might the one on the left refer to cranes? (I remember reading in a book on bird names about battles between cranes and pygmies recurring in ancient literature.) —innotata 00:27, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * That's book 3 of the Iliad. One translation is at s:The Iliad (Murray)/Book III. You're right, though; it's cranes, not storks. Ucucha 20:46, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Buzzard
At the moment, buzzard in the Culture section goes to a disamb page, should it be pointed to Turkey Vulture?  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  12:37, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd say yes. That's what most non-birding Americans are referring to when they say "buzzard".  Just wondering if that would be considered "OR" by the OR police.  It might be worth a footnote, with a reference.  MeegsC | Talk 14:21, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

 * I wouldn't see fixing a disamb as OR, but I take your point. Added ref for name  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  15:32, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

To do?
Apart from the lead, which I assume will come last, I think the content is now pretty comprehensive. Is anything missing? We don't have any predators, but I suspect a bird this big has few natural enemies, nice if we could get a source that says that.
 * I think I have a source for that. I can still think of a few things we could add:

 * Territoriality? Site fidelity, etc. (apparently, this is more important than mate)
 * Social behaviours, including courtship.
 * The cultural section is completely Euro-centric. Is there nothing from India or Africa?
 * Probably incomplete as per European culture is concerned too. AshLin (talk) 05:23, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Although we don't want this section to get too unwieldy, or might need to hive off as separate article. Islam is not primarily a European religion.  Jimfbleak  -  talk to me?  07:32, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess also trying to enusre general stork material goes to that page, and just keep cultural material specific to the species here. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:56, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ditto for the population and conservation section.
 * We should put a hidden message in the "External links" section, telling people NOT to add nestcams to the article. MeegsC | Talk 18:36, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

 * I think the map legend looks strange, with the long red line. Is there any way to make it the same length as the color boxes? — focus 20:46, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It can be included in the map if need be, but I think in recent times the de facto norm has been to have external legends, one option is to skip the red line and caption the map appropriately. Shyamal (talk) 02:14, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying we should have the legend in the image, just that the red line is a bit long and it looks somewhat strange. — focus 02:33, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * After muddling with the legend template I think the problem is that the line is made to appear at mid height by altering the font size and that means that alignment is not scale free. The only way seems to be to us a table to align the legend and text blocks but I have posted a fix request for the legend alignment.

 * There are long term population charts for some sites and it may be nice to have one to illustrate population changes and the country estimates would perhaps be nicer in a table. Shyamal (talk) 02:14, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll have a go at making the population data into a table when I get time. — focus 02:33, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Now that I think about it, a table with the populations and population trends for each country would be pretty long. Perhaps there's a better way. Is the population for every country necessary to include in the prose? — focus 14:59, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * would agree with a trim, perhaps to totals of the western and eastern population from the most recent "International White Stork census". Is the Alsace-Lorraine decline particularly important ? Shyamal (talk) 05:10, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No more than any other decline. It looks like someone added the information after reading a newspaper article. MeegsC | Talk 13:53, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Art
I am not sure where to put the art pictures showing storks, especially as one is very tall. I have put them in a gallery at the bottom of the page for the moment temporally, and put relevant photographs with the text. Comments welcome on any of the illustrations. The tall picture could be sized with an image width of about 100 to 120 px, which is smaller than for a normal shaped image, and put in the text. Snowman (talk) 20:38, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I think that the images should be removed altogether, or somehow incorporated into the article. I like the idea of making the tall painting smaller. Care to try it? — focus 03:59, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Flocks in Africa
Re: File:Ciconia ciconia -Serengeti National Park, Tanzania -flock-8.jpg. Is there any literature on large flocks in Africa? Snowman (talk) 17:02, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Birds of the Western Palearctic says that the storks are "highly gregarious" in their wintering quarters (as well as on migration and at concentrations of food), congregating in flocks of "hundreds or even thousands". Most of Europe's White Storks overwinter in savanna from Kenya and Uganda south to the Cape Province of South Africa.
 * Ummm...know which page? Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:59, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * 328 for the bit about being gregarious, 331 for the bit about where they overwinter. MeegsC | Talk 03:51, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * terrific/thanks/added. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:00, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I have placed the image on the page, but I have not got the image placement right yet and the caption could be better. The text needs a bit more detail about the flocking behaviour in the article. Do they gather to feed or roost or both? Presumably they are wading in the water shown in the image looking for food? Are these water pools/lakes a source of food? and if so what food is found there? Snowman (talk) 12:05, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * If you look at the feeding section, frogs are a major food item  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  12:21, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, the photographer disturbed the flock, because all of them look like they are walking away from the camera, and it does do not look like they are looking for food. Snowman (talk) 16:03, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

migration
I've tidied migration. The original text gave the impression that one reason storks crossed at the Bosphorus and Gibraltar was to avoid the desert. In fact, soaring birds cross there to minimise the distance over the thermal-free Med. Many non-soaring birds cross the Med and Sahara on a broad front, and if the map is correct, North African storks also cross the desert  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  17:49, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Migrating birds are also seen on Cyprus, in the middle of the Mediterranean. It is a rare breeding bird there. From book; "Breeding Birds of Cyprus". There is not much detail in my book, and other books could be a better reference, if it is important. Snowman (talk) 16:43, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Some birds go astray, like those turning up in the UK, and especially the Madeira vagrant, so it's not surprising that some migrants turn up on Med islands, and even stay to breed. I don't think you need much detail, since it's pretty minor compared to the huge numbers through the Bosphorus  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  17:40, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Distribution
A distribution section should probably be included, most of the information in the conservation status can be difficult to understand without historic distribution information. Have added a record of breeding from Scotland 1416 but this needs to move into a more comprehensive distribution section. Shyamal (talk) 14:23, 28 December 2010 (UTC) asiatica seems to have a deficit - would someone with access to - Ming Ma and Cai Dai. 2002. The fate of the White Stork (Ciconia ciconia asiatica) in Xinjiang, China. Abstract Volume. 23rd International Ornithological Congress, Beijing, August 11-17,2002, p.352 - add more ? Shyamal (talk) 15:42, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Article status?
The month's almost over, so I'm wondering what else needs to be done on this article. Perhaps it should be taken to GA nominations? — focus 23:58, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

 * This species will have loads of material - I guess the first thing to think of is there anything else a layperson might want to know about it which is currently missing? (i.e. comprehensiveness) Once done, then checking refs and copyedit and nominate at GAN. Anyone is welcome to jot their opinions below: Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:49, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

 * It's pretty good, not far off GA,  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  07:42, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

 * Who is going to take it to GAN? Main editors are MeegsC (90), Jimfbleak (83), Snowmanradio (57), Shyamal (52), Focus (35), Casliber (16). Meegs is the obvious nominator, I can't do it anyway because of forthcomming RL commitments that will lead to an extended wikibreak <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  07:58, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I would agree that the article seems not far off GA, but there may be omissions and MoS issues. I have been mainly concentrating on some MoS formatting, illustrations, and captions. I have not got the necessary books or easy library access to take it to GAN. Snowman (talk) 11:55, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It is easy to make it a multiple-nominator GA of the top four or five contributors as it is a collaboration. Can anyone see some obvious bits missing? Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:01, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Can it be nominated by unspecified collaborators and mention "WP Birds collaboration of the month" instead of users names? Snowman (talk) 22:49, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't see why we wouldn't be able to do that, but it will be listed on WP:GAN as the user who added the template to the talk page, since it's updated by a bot.— focus 23:09, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Look it doesn't matter as we can easily fiddle around to add some nominators. The problem with labelling the nominator "WP Birds collaboration of the month" is it is unclear to a reviewer (I guess) who is going to respond to issues raised. It's no big deal though. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:10, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree, one nom, MeegsC if willing, if not I'd suggest Cas — although a relatively minor contributor to this article, he has bags of experience at GAN and FAC <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  07:34, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Happy to take it to GAN, but I too may be unreachable for a while in Jan-Feb. I've got 4 weeks of field work coming up, and will be in areas with unreliable internet access.  Will there be others who can help if I'm not responding? MeegsC | Talk 01:58, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Great - what I was suggesting is that a few editors are listed (actually it doesn't matter really as no-one is keeping tabs) - I'll be around to help out with issues addressed, and some other editors will chip in too I guess. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:14, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

 * update - I added us all - I am sure any/all of us will try to fix problems - we're all active and chipping in. Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:27, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Palestine?
In the behavior section, where it lists Syria, Lebanon, Israel, and Palestine as making up the Levant, Palestine currently links to here, which mainly describes to the historical usage of the word 'Palestine'. This definition includes Israel, and much of Syria and Lebanon, so those countries could technically be removed from the list. Otherwise, Palestine should link to Palestinian territories or State of Palestine. I wanted to check in here before changing it, because this could be inaccurate or potentially controversial. — focus 15:30, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * suggest replacing with "eastern Mediterranean" to avoid waking the Israel/Palestine zealots <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  17:45, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I noticed that the description of the Levant was removed entirely, that probably is fine. — focus 17:49, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Greeting display
Can someone add information on the greetind display where the head is thrown back. Perhaps in this http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1439-0310.1972.tb00852.x/abstract - not accessible to me. Shyamal (talk) 10:09, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Added a note from HBW Shyamal (talk) 11:48, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Bird article improvement programme
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For any observations as regards the editing of White Stork by the course, please post on this page. Other queries may be put forth here.

AshLin (talk) 15:54, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I have examined the Pande et al. reference and it does not identify the subspecies. Ali & Ripley -Handbook 2nd Ed and Rasmussen both indicate that both asiatica and nominate populations are involved with the former probably being more prominent in the past. Only two German ring recoveries are mentioned in the Handbook while Whitehead notes that he saw large flocks of up to 200 birds flying north through the Kurram Valley - which are unlikely to have been anything other than asiatica. Have made the changes accordingly. Shyamal (talk) 02:12, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikiprojects
Why is this bird in WikiProject Egypt? According to the map the stork doesn't even have a population there. Plus, this means that every other country WikiProject in that area should be here. Focus (talk) 15:59, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It was added by a bot in 2009. No idea what it based that on, since other species that occur in the country don't show the project banner.  You could check with someone from the project, I suppose... MeegsC | Talk 17:02, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that it is because the stork was a hieroglyph in ancient Egypt and was important to the ancient Egyptians. Perhaps this should be included in the article. I think it was written in the article. Snowman (talk) 22:36, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yup, that's there in the Cultural associations section. Focus (talk) 23:02, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * But is it important enough? Many cultures have associations with animals, but they are rarely important. I added to that section on storks in Slavic mythology, but despite the brief mentions of various Slavic countries I'd not add this article to those wikiprojects. I'd support removing Egypt WikiProject from that page. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 20:59, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I attended a lecture on Ethno-ornithology by Dr Suruchi Pande yesterday and a passing reference in the overview to the perergrine falcon and stork in Pharoanic culture were mentioned. Its obvious that storks extended to Egypt in antiquity and it formed part of their cultural symbolism. Anyway, if you want to remove a WikiProject Banner, I would recommend that you discuss it on their talk page for concurrence, as they may not realise that the banner deletion is taking place. AshLin (talk) 06:34, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I left them a note. Barring no objections, I suggest we remove this template in a week or so. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:37, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Article re-organization
In the review pages I suggested that this article needs to be re-organized with the sub-headings to be more in tune with other animal articles that are featured on wikipedia. The following organization was proposed and generally accepted:

* 1 Description
 * 2 Taxonomy and evolution
 * 3 Ecology
 * 3.1 Distribution
 * 3.1.1 Habitat
 * 3.1.2 Migration
 * 3.2 Behaviour
 * 3.3 Feeding
 * 3.4 Breeding
 * 3.5 Parasitology
 * 4 Conservation Status

Is someone willing to take the lead on this? If not, I can do it - but it would be nice, as the reviewer, if I maintain arms length from making any significant contributions to the article that this would entail.Thompsma (talk) 18:29, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The article is already mostly in that structure, and anything further may be too much too soon. The Ecology section is not used like that on WP:Birds, and I am not keen on the level four headings on the listing above. See WikiProject_Birds and see level three heading on "Article sections". Snowman (talk) 19:13, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ooops...I copied the wrong list!!

 * 1. Taxonomy and evolution
 * 2. Description
 * 3. Distribution and habitat
 * 3.1 Migration
 * 4. Behaviour and ecology
 * 4.1 Breeding
 * 4.2 Food and feeding
 * 4.3 Parasites and predators
 * 5. Conservation
 * 6. Cultural associationsThompsma (talk) 19:21, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

 * What a mess that accidental wrong listing seems to be. The discussion above on sub-heading has been superseded by discussion in GA1. Snowman (talk) 20:03, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes...sorry for the mistake. I wasn't sure if I should post this in both locations, because it is also of a more general nature to the structure and arrangement of the article.Thompsma (talk) 21:26, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Taxobox image
I was musing on this - unfortunately there is no clear front-runner as far as choice. I was thinking of an adult stork facing to the left (into the article) and showing the plumage clearly. I guess my preference is for the first one slightly over the third one, but not by much. It'd be good to find a better one. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:03, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

 * I slightly prefer the third over the first. The third one has a less "busy" background - while I agree that the nest is a nice aesthetic touch, in this case it distracts the eye from the bird itself. Being taken in a zoo is perhaps a slight detriment, but I feel it's evened out by the fact that the first photo has a leg-tag on the bird - so neither one is exactly entirely "natural". As far as the second and fourth are concerned, the second suffers from being a head-on shot (images taken in profile or three-quarters are much better for identification when non-human animals are concerned) along with having a tag just like #1, negating whatever "in the wild" authenticity it may otherwise possess. The fourth is slightly out of focus, with somewhat distracting lighting (it has the "5PM on a summer evening and everything's turning yellow" look to it, along with the pretty but distracting dots of sun coming through what I assume to be gaps in the trees above) - there's really nothing offered in #4 that #3 doesn't do as good or better. #3 and #1 are top, with a sizable dropoff between those and #4, with #2 unfortunately last in my book. Badger Drink (talk) 04:01, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Number 3, I think. As Snowman pointed out (weeks ago, when it was in the article), number 1's wings may have been clipped, as the flight feathers don't appear to be full length.  The presence of the nest isn't really a "bonus", since we have multiple nice shots of the nest.  I agree with Badger Drink about numbers 2 and 4.  And I agree with Casliber that it would be great to get a good shot taken in the wild! MeegsC | Talk 14:56, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the first is a little over-exposed, and while the composition is good (and the nest is a nice touch) the ruffled feathers aren't ideal. I think my preference is very slightly for the third, with the first second. The other two aren't really there as has already been said. J Milburn (talk) 23:03, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Seems to be a definite preference for #3, so I've stuck that in. That image could do with a bit of a crop. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:05, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that image 3 does not need cropping. Snowman (talk) 11:26, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It's borderline, but I could understand doing a bit of cropping - nothing too tight, but reducing some of the dead space on the left/right would devote maximum space to the bird when thumbnailed, and the distance between the top of the bird and top of the frame is about twice that as the bottom of the bird and the bottom of the frame. I'll give it a shot storkly- er, shortly. Badger Drink (talk) 22:07, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Cropped vs. Uncropped
As promised/threatened... notice how much more detail comes through in thumbnails, thanks to the cropping. I think a bit more can be shaved off the bottom (or a bit more left on at the top), but it'll have to wait for now. Badger Drink (talk) 22:20, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

 * I think the cropping is a definite net positive, especially for a taxobox image. I thought the stork got a little lost in the uncropped version. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:51, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

"Wading" bird
I removed the qualifier "wading" from the lead because it is misleading. The storks do not wade much and the term "wading bird" on Wikipedia redirects to Wader, which the stork is not. Maias (talk) 04:31, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Pre-FAC comments

 * A comment on the lead - there is a large section on "threats", almost the entire third paragraph on the lead. It seems unbalanced, the species overall is not threatened, but this is not mentioned! Yes the species has some regional declines and suffers some human mortality, but it is not "threatened".
 * I have tried rejigging it, as I agree it looked like was threatened from how it was written.. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:47, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

 * Younger birds - wouldn't this be better merged with the overall description (which isn't long) and the bit about age moved to breeding? Sabine's Sunbird  talk  02:53, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

 * I added material on breeding age and lifespan to the breeding section and renamed it "breeding and lifespan" - not ideal but seems to be the best place for it. Finding a good place for one or two sentences on longevity is always a problem I find... Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:28, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Biologically speaking lifespan and breeding are treated as related as they are both aspects of life-history. I'm not sure the section needed renaming though. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  04:43, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

 * There is some redundancy about historical declines in Europe, which seems to be mentioned in the lead and under both distribution and conservation.
 * I agree it'd be nice to streamline here. Material in the lead by definition appears elsewhere in more detail in the article. This leaves us with trying to streamline the distribution and conservation sections. Looking at it, I am feeling a little uncertain how to proceed with this - I am tentatively thinking that paragraph 2 in the conservation section could be moved to the first paragraph of the distribution section - this might allow for a little streamlining. Is this what you had in mind? Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:49, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Having had another look at it I think it is probably unnecessary to change anything there. Some minor, unobtrusive, redundancy may not be a bad thing as an article grows in size and takes longer to read.  I do know what you mean about para 2 in Conservation - it is about demographics rather than strictly conservation - but it could go in either place.  Two possibilities - switch the second and third paras in Conservation, and change the header to "Conservation and population" (or similar), or (as you posit) move the second to "Distribution".  Then what... put a level 2 header in the expanded "Distribution" for "Habitat"?  Or maybe just leave all as is; tweaking in one place can have seismic effects elsewhere. Maias (talk) 05:29, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

 * Maybe the Migration section could be upgraded to a first-level header - I know it is related to distribution but there are some quite distinct issues involved. Maias (talk) 05:38, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I can see the reasoning in that, although I do like articles to have a mix of level 1 and 2 headers. I'll bow to consensus to that as that is a pretty quick and easy fix. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:38, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Part of the reason for my suggestion was that it would also upgrade the level 3 headers (under Migration) to level 2, rather than leaving them as the only level 3 headers in the article. However, I do not think it makes a huge amount of difference either way. Maias (talk) 05:03, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

 * Casliber asked me to drop by. The refs needs some tidying up. I've gone through the first column only, but suspect there will be similar issues with the second column that could be pre-emptively cleaned up. I'll be back with comments on the content later. Sasata (talk) 15:51, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * ref #2 Holmiae = modern Stockholm
 * shoulda figgered that one... Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:06, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

 * ref #3 "&c Vol-ume" ce
 * done Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:44, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

 * web versions of print documents, and PDFs do not need retrieval dates
 * ref #6 (Simpson et al., 1989) needs page #
 * added Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:45, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

 * ref #7 needs fullstop at end
 * done Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:44, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

 * note how in ref #4 there's a fullstop after the middle initial of the second author before the year, but this fullstop is missing in ref #9; need to check throughout to make consistent
 * got ref 9, will keep checking. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:19, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

 * there's a mixture of title case and sentence case in article titles
 *  working on converting all to title case (alot of them!!) think I got 'em all... Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:53, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

 * ref #12 - the "b" of cytochrome b needs to be italicized
 * done Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:44, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

 * ref #13 - "American Museum noviciates" cap last word & fix spelling
 * fixed Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:31, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

 * ref #14 - be consistent on whether US state is given in location; compare "Princeton, New Jersey" vs. #5 "New York"
 * I think I've added larger locators to all. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:42, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

 * ref #18 (Van den Bossche 2002) is a 200-page PDF, you'll definitely need to specify page #'s
 * 'split and done'' Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:50, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

 * ref #24 there's a JSTOR link you could add
 * added fulltext link instead Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:36, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

 * ref #27 (Berthold 2001) there's a PDF available online
 * url fulltext link added Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:47, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

 * ref #28 don't need to specify fulltext, as PDF is already indicated and fulltext is therefore assumed
 * ok Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:44, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

 * ref #29 isbn?; and "eds" should be indicated
 * isbn fetched Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:20, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

 * ref #33 "editors" vs. "eds" or "ed" in other instances
 * all now (ed) or (eds) Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:41, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

 * ref #35 (Johst 2001) doi is broken
 * fixed Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:40, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

 * ref #38 needs doi
 * doi added Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:23, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

 * ref #43 author separated by "&", which is inconsistent with the rest. Also needs publisher.
 * got it x 2 Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:44, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

 * ref #45 add a JSTOR link
 * added link to article pdf instead. MeegsC | Talk 14:34, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

 * ref #47 "Alexander, R Mcneill" fullstop after the R (there's other examples of this throughout, I'll stop mentioning them now), and check to see if that should be a capital N
 * got this one - will look for others Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:22, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

 * refs #49-51: all of a sudden the years are given in parentheses, contrary to prior instances
 * done Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:08, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

 * ref #52 italicize binomial
 * ok Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:44, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

 * ref #57 double comma, remove "fulltext" & retrieval date
 * ok Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:44, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

 * ref #58 add JSTOR link
 * added Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:31, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

 * ref #60 note "and" given before last author
 * done Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:04, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

 * refs #66, 67 need issue #; latter needs full page range
 * issues added Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:12, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 71, 73 - fullstops after initials or not?
 * got 'em. pesky little critters aren't tehy? thought I got 'em all... Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:43, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 73 page #'s
 * 74 journal name is abbreviated (unlike others)
 * unabbrev'ed Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:19, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 77 "José I. Aguirre" is not consistent with last, full initial format elsewhere
 * must have missed that one. fixed now Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:23, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 78 (fulltext)
 * removed, and accessdate removed. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:23, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 80 provide Jstor link
 * jstor added Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:26, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 81 "neerlandica" not capitalized?
 * Can you confirm that country adjectives should be capitalised in Dutch? Library of Congress uses lc. I know some languages like French use lc for adjectives (francais, not Francais), but I don't speak dutch <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  15:14, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I've capped it for now on a strong hunch based on Google search and knowledge of a cognate language, German. I'll ask Ucucha when he gets back to verify. Sasata (talk) 03:32, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 82 needs issue #
 * done <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  15:49, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 83, 84, 90, 94, 96 missing fullstop after initial
 * done - damn, my browser keeps freezing when I use cntrl-F on edit page...????? Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:23, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 85 dump retrieval date
 * gone Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:17, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 86 "V6gel" should be umlauted or something?
 * Done <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  10:53, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 87 add year
 * done, also other Bossche refs <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  14:54, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 88 add creation date, see bottom of page for recommended citation format
 * done Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:20, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 93 don't need month in the publication date, not given in other refs
 * Done <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  15:07, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 97 unabbreviated journal title
 * Berliner und Munchener Tierarztliche Wochenschrift <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  15:07, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 99 there appear to be extra spaces before the semicolons
 * fixed Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:22, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 103 two et al. means author list needs fixin'
 * appears to have been fixed

 * 110 publisher/work?
 * pub added

 * 111, 112 remove (fulltext)
 * done x 2 Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:19, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 112 remove retrieval date
 * Done <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  10:53, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 133 where is Wheaton?
 * Done <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  10:53, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 116 mention (eds); fix double fullstop; pages?
 * got (eds), can't see double fullstop - will chase person who added ref Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:28, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 117 specify Oxford, UK (to be consistent with others)
 * done Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:28, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 119 needs title case; Manchester, UK
 * done both Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:28, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 123 not a RS
 * rereffed to a Polish Govt site, should be adequate for this simple fact <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  15:38, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 124 title case
 * done Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:13, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 125 author format
 * DOne <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  15:42, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 126 pages ?; Warszawa=Warsaw (English name); specify Polish language (?); formatting
 * formatted, I need to chase the submitter for page refs Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:28, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 130 title case; isbn?; (ed)
 * ttile case done + isbn added Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:50, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 131 New York, New York
 * done Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:50, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

 * 132 title case
 * got it Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:19, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Useful source for etymology
While looking up which works of Ovid the stork appears in (I think it is here when Antigone of Troy is turned into a stork by Juno in Metamorphoses, though I failed to locate the works of Horace the stork appears in), I came across this reference which may be useful: Thomas, Richard F. 1988. Vergil's "White Bird" and the Alexandrian reference (G. 2. 319-20). Classical Philology 83(3): 214-217. . That is available online here. Also, there seems to be some sort of link with the Thracian land of Cicones, though I'm not clear what exactly. Obviously that last bit can't be taken further without a source, and may be more appropriate for the Ciconia article. Carcharoth (talk) 08:32, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Rubber band conservation
Came across this article this morning and thought I would post the information here: http://www.conservationmagazine.org/2012/02/rubber-worms/ - White storks confuse rubber bands for worms. Not a good part of their diet. This information could be entered into the conservation section.Thompsma (talk) 20:10, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

 * Wow - yes fascinating and important - reminds me of sea turtles and their mistaking of plastic bags for jellyfish....Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:02, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Succession of breeding pairs
This sentence is unclear: "A succession of pairs have been observed occupying a nest for a few days before moving on, the reason for which is unclear." In the source we can read: "The first pair occupied the nest for 5-8 days, the second pair for one day, and probably only the third pair remained at the nest to actually breed" (here).

It didn't mention that the pairs, who occupying a nest for a few days are move on the nest. Please check out this note. 193.200.82.28 (talk) 12:30, 31 January 2013 (UTC) kuba
 * I have attempted a rewrite based on a re-reading of the paper. Hope it is clearer. Shyamal (talk) 16:45, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
 * now it looks better, thanks, 193.200.82.28 (talk) 09:38, 1 February 2013 (UTC) kuba

Dead link
Spaar, Reto; Bruderer, Bruno (1996). I found similar text the same authors: "Migration by Flapping or Soaring: Flight Strategies of Marsh, Montagu's and Pallid Harriers in Southern Israel" (text here), but i can't find there information about energetic difference beetwen flapping and soaring flight. Could anyone help? D kuba (talk) 15:21, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Culture/Beliefs
"Poles, Lithuanians and Ukrainians believe that storks bring harmony to a family on whose property they nest" - cited source didn't mention the Poles and Lithuanians, only "Ukrainian and other European folk". Anybody knows other, reliable source? D kuba (talk) 21:10, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Dead link
Hi, that link: |publisher= Naturschutzbund Deutschland (NABU) is dead. It is very important source. Anyone knows other site/source for this paragraph? D kuba (talk) 23:09, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The Web Timemachine/Wayback has a copy https://web.archive.org/web/20110812085950/http://bergenhusen.nabu.de/zensus/zensus2006/worldpopulation.pdf Shyamal (talk) 10:16, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I also found full pdf: http://bergenhusen.nabu.de/imperia/md/content/bergenhusen/130618-nabu-weissstorchenzensus.pdf D kuba (talk) 14:19, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Pfeilstorch, Pfeilstörche
The German plural of "Pfeilstorch" is "Pfeilstörche"; this should be used in an English language context too. However, when I corrected it, the link to the Wiki-Article "Pfeilstorch" didn't work anymore. Maybe someone more familiar with the technical aspects of WP could correct it. --62.46.241.243 (talk) 09:39, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Despite being ungrammatical in German, it seems like English users would be happy to make it Pfeilstorchs! Have made the correction suggested though. Shyamal (talk) 13:11, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Range maps
The range map at the top doesn't seem to square with the breeding census map in the conservation area, based upon which a number of countries should be at least hash shaded in green to indicate minor breeding populations, no? Akerbeltz (talk) 17:17, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

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Average Lifespan Not Given
I came here to learn the average lifespan, but could not find it on the page. Maximum lifespans were given but I didn't find average/common.foobar (talk) 19:19, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Haven't been able to find it. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:43, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

educational video about White Stork
Hi guys, I found a youtube channel with educational videos about birds, one of them is about White Stork, here it is - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dfs3T1Nd40E Great recording, and useful facts about the bird. Maybe we can add it to wikipedia page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark.barkan (talk • contribs) 10:30, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

peace symbol on first russian PostEurop 1995 stamp
in the White_stork section I think it might be nice to talk about the first Russian postage stamp for PostEurop, dated 1995, when the theme was "peace and freedom"; shows the white stork:

 * The White Stork – An International Symbol of Peace?
 * gmgreencity.com/the-white-stork/

and that on the PostEurop stamps of 2019, when the theme was "national bird", the white stork was on the postage stamps of Belarus and Ukraine:

who knows if making these things better known, through wikipedia, could also help these peoples to see again each other as friends, with the same aspirations for peace and freedom (next year, 2023, the theme of European emissions will be "PEACE - the highest value of humanity" www.posteurop.org/EUROPA%20Stamps )

--151.44.32.191 (talk) 22:06, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

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