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Census data contradictory as listed?
First it says none of the households in the CDP anyone over 65, then in the next paragraph it says that a non-zero percentage had someone over 65. It says there were kids, then it says there were no kids. It says _all_ the income was $0, then immediately says no one had income below the poverty line!

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Trail Lake Station
Is this worth mentioning?

U.S. Geological Survey agents reported a railroad station called "Trail Lake Station" at this site in 1912.

http://www.explorenorth.com/library/communities/alaska/bl-CrownPoint.htm

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There's another article on the fire from the Peninsula Clarion, but they only give you one "free" article before the paywall comes down, and I had to go with the one about the cat, so I can't see the one about the fire. It's at if anyone wants to take a peek. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:20, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

 * I managed to get a look at it, it is mostly a retread of previous coverage. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:40, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

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This city name made me laugh
It says funny river. TheMisterMooseMan (talk) 16:40, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

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faux precision
2.86% of a population of 35 is one person. The percentage has two more digits of precision than can ever be relevant. —Tamfang 21:38, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Here's how the Demographics section looks with raw numbers:

 * The racial makeup of the CDP was 34 White and 1 from two or more races.

 * There were 18 households, of which three had children under the age of 18 living with them, twelve were married couples living together, and six were non-families. Six households were made up of individuals and two had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older.  The average household size was 1.94 and the average family size was 2.42.

 * In the CDP the population was spread out with five under the age of 18, eleven from 25 to 44, eleven from 45 to 64, and eight who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 47 years.  For fifteen females there were twenty males.  For thirteen females age 18 and over, there were seventeen males.

I think it looks more honest this way. —Tamfang 21:47, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

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How about a recent news section including the Augustine Volcanic eruptions, the possible mine project in the mountains across the inlet, etc? Wrad 00:13, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

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I have added some new images to the article, including changing the top image in the infobox. While it was a very nice panorama of the Spit, the actual town was about a half mile outside the frame. I have replaced it with an image looking back at Homer from the slough on a winter day. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:12, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

charitable/nonprofit orgs
Seeing as Homer does have an unusually high number of nonprofit organizations it may be a good idea to have a section or subsection detailing this phenomenon and mentioning some of the more well known ones. We already have a few with their own articles such as the Homer Public Library and the Kenai Peninsula Orchestra. the idea here would be to list the more notable organizations and try to find sources for them to help construct this new content. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:45, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Miller Landing again
FWIW, searching for "Miller Landing, AK" on Google Maps takes one to Miller's Landing in Lowell Point. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 02:25, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

 * I don't find that particularly surprising as locals refer to this area as "Kachemak Drive near the boat yard and the gear shed." Even the exact site where the landing was isn't called that anymore, its the Northern Enterprises boat haul-out these days. I have also found that the Google maps folks made a lot of errors in this area and when contacted about specific problems they do not fix them or even reply at all. Beeblebrox (talk) 04:27, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

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 * This might be a notable enough event to have its own article. Alternately, perhaps we could have an entire section on regular/yearly events in Homer, as many other places do. Possibilities include:
 * The Winter Carnival
 * Winter King Salmon Derby
 * Homer Halibut Derby (this is over but it was a regular, season-long event for like 30 years)
 * Kachemak Bay writer's conference
 * Most of these events had at least some involvement from the Homer Chamber of Commerce who may have more information. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:23, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

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This article is a very rough draft, and was not proof-read to a great degree. I am currently working on getting the information from the State of Alaska's community information database copied over for each community, at which point I will come back through and start editing. If this message is still here, that means I have yet to come back. Of course, please feel free to clean this up, hopefully to conform with the WikiProject_Cities standards (or at least, as well as can be done for Alaska's unique villages and towns). Thanks!! —akghetto talk 10:56, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

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Distinguishing Kalifornsky CDP from Kalifornsky village
FYI. A few days ago I edited this article with additional info from the Alaska Community Database & from some other sources in order to help make clear its status as not a town or city (no local government), to add some local history, and to disambiguate it from Kalifornsky village. I also changed the page Kalifornsky from being a redirect page to being a disambiguation page. I'm working extensively on improving the article on Peter Kalifornsky, after whose ancestor Kalifornsky village was names (& eventually also Kalifornsky Beach Road, & hence Kalifornsky CDP). Also added sources for the info I provided; the original article has no sourcing, though given its standard look in comparison with other Alaska community pages, it looks like it came out of somebody's database -- maybe one from the U.S. census, since it doesn't have the look of the Alaska Community Database, with which I am intimately familiar. -- Yksin 00:48, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * And FYI, two years later, I have undone this split and re-merged the two articles. While the article on Peter Kalifornsky looks good, the article on the village never really went anywhere and was still mostly word-for-word the "History and Culture" section of this article. If more information is found it may be appropriate to split it back off, but there honestly doesn't seem to be much more to say. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:27, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

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This entire section is unsourced original research, please read this for more information. Beeblbrox (talk) 01:24, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

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The name Kenai is probably derived from Kenayskaya, the Russian name for the Cook Inlet and translates to "flat, barren land". - It does not translate from Russian at all, unless it is some obscure obsolete word... Are there any sources ? --Tigga en 06:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Good question. I'm doing a bunch of work right now related to the Dena'ina, & have come across some references to the name "Kenaitze," will see if I can find them again & add cites. --Yksin 01:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Or, it could refer to the Inuit word kenai (black bear). Unlikely, as there are no indigenous Inuit within 500 miles of Kenai. The only Alaskan Natives that self identify as Inuit are the Inupiat on the Arctic coast: Alaska Native Language Center, University of Alaska Fairbanks :

"Most Alaskans continue to accept the name "Eskimo," particularly because "Inuit" refers only to the Inupiat of northern Alaska, the Inuit of Canada, and the Kalaallit of Greenland, and is not a word in the Yupik languages of Alaska and Siberia." The Dena'ina of the Kenai Peninsula are Athabascan, not Inuit.--Edgewise 17:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

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 * 1) Is the article neutral? Are there any claims, or frames, that appear heavily biased toward a particular position? Yes, nothing about it was advertising people to go there or is it opinionated. It is just giving general statistics and history for people who would like to know some facts about the city.
 * 2) Is any information out of date? Is anything missing that could be added? Yes, there could be more citations added for the general History section of the article. Srzidalis (talk) 06:55, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

 * You say in your edit summary that this thread pertains to a class, but you don't specify which class or where. I went through the article and cleaned it up a little to better conform to WP:USCITIES.  Here are some things I see in regards to your questions and to improve it better:
 * If I'm not mistaken, the 99635 ZIP Code listed in the infobox is actually for Nikiski. As that area was historically known as North Kenai, that could have been an honest mistake made by someone not familiar with the area.
 * Like with many articles of this sort, the lead is not a proper lead section, plus it gives too much weight to particular census data rather than providing an accessible overview.
 * The history section could use more information on the 20th and 21st centuries, particularly the role the Russian Orthodox Church played in keeping the community alive through the early and middle 20th century, the role the Civil Aeronautics Administration played in the 1940s and early 1950s following the construction of the airport (plus perhaps why such a large airport would be built in what was at the time a very sparsely populated area), plus the rapid expansion of the community and surrounding area in the 1950s and 1960s following the Swanson River and Cook Inlet oil discoveries. The relation of the area's abundance of oil and natural gas supplies to Anchorage's growth and prosperity could also be mentioned.  There is also the mention of homesteading, which affected the Central Peninsula area more than just Kenai itself.  If I'm not mistaken, that was due to the withdrawal of lands from the Moose Range (now the Kenai National Wildlife Refuge), similar to the way the Anchorage area was originally part of the Chugach National Forest before lands were withdrawn for settlement.  As I read it, the history section appears to be a semi-random series of statements designed more to provide a venue for wikilinks to related articles and links to citations/sources than a coherent history of the community.
 * Many of the entries in the "See also" section should be integrated into the article. Furthermore, no mention is made at all of Kenai Central High School, despite it being a rather important part of the community.  One of the most dangerous POVs I've encountered on here is that we don't need to acknowledge something if no one has bothered to write an article first, no matter how obviously notable it is.  The Peninsula Clarion is mentioned, but we're not acknowledging Pat O'Connell.  O'Connell co-founded the Clarion as a proper newspaper as opposed to its previous incarnation as more of a newsletter, was a local legend as KCHS's longtime hockey coach and is inherently notable by virtue of multiple terms in the Alaska House of Representatives.
 * Having mentioned O'Connell, and since WP:USCITIES mentions the inclusion of a "Notable people" section, some names to research whose lives may provide more information on Kenai's history would include Paul Shadura, George Navarre and Hugh Malone.
 * Hope all this helps. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 21:15, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

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Distance from Anchorage can't be right
The distance of more than 187 from Anchorage can't be right. I suppose I can't use Google Maps as a source, but I can certainly see from it that something is way off. If I just measure the straight line distance, I get about 50 miles or so. If I ask Google for driving directions, it is a lot longer because you have to go around a lot of water. But still, it came to only about 150 miles. Uporządnicki (talk) 22:28, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

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For anyone interested in updating this, a bit of journalism was written about the town: "Town clings to customs despite external influences". There's not too much to take from the story, but a couple snippets might help. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 02:53, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

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User:Olegwiki just posted this very interesting link on the Russian America article; some of its history shoudl be integrated here, I'll suggest it to him..... I also added the Indigenous peoples wikiproject, which should be added to all Alaskan communities with dominant indigenous-origin populations...Skookum1 (talk) 16:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I have redirected the Ninilchik Russian article here, as it was a one-line stub and already covered in this article. Also, all of the sources were self published websites, so it is not really verified properly that this is recognized by linguists as a separate and distinct dialect. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:30, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * There is a academic publication in Russian by Kibrik that recognizes the Ninilchik language as a dialect. Link in the refs in Нинильчикский_диалект_русского_языка. Also he wrote book in English, probably it's self published. 85.140.186.85 (talk) 02:58, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

"Air miles"
I believe this term was being used because it is substantially longer by road, maybe we should clarify that. "As the crow flies" it is only 100 miles, but according to The Milepost it is 188 miles via the highway. Between Cook Inlet and the mountains the options for road building in this area were rather limitedBeeblebrox (talk) 04:56, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

More on the Russian of Ninilchik.
Mention should be made of the research on the Russian of Ninilchik reported here: http://home.uchicago.edu/~jkantarovich/kantarovich_bathesis_nov2012.pdf

See the bibliography at the end of the report for the full bibliographical reference for Bergelson and Kibrik's publication on the subjectS. Valkemirer (talk) 13:47, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

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 * There was a town or village at the location earlier than 1883. The Augustine Volcano eruption (50 miles away) of July 6, 1883, that destroyed the summit, apparently created a tsunami that carried away boats and deluged houses.
 * In 1786 the bay was named "Grahams Harbour” by Captain Nathaniel Portlock. In 1788 it was named "Cool Bay" by Captain John Meares and the Russians called it “Bukhta Anglitskaya” (“English Bay”) but now this name refers to a small bay around Nanwalek. The bay around the village (locally referred to as Paluwik) is now known as Kachemak Bay.
 * The Fidalgo Island Packing Company (pp.28) built a cannery at Port Graham in 1901.
 * By 1909 there was a cannery still in operation, wharf, and a post office in operation between 1938 and 1961.
 * The Alutiiq (Sugpiaq) is a federally recognized tribe and member of the Chugach Native Association. The area is serviced by the Port Graham Airport.

 * Sources

 * A Short History of Port Graham
 * The McMullen road runs east and ties into the Port Graham road. --  Otr500 (talk) 14:49, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

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I don’t get why we have a seperate article on Seldovia Village, Alaska. Are they not the same place? Seldovia is not exactly a major city. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:15, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * As usual, I wait until I have to be running along to come around here. As quickly as I can, this appears to be yet another matter of confusing a legally constituted entity which has a legally defined boundary with its ZIP Code Tabulation Area.  Whenever I bring up the matter of confusing the two in various discussions, I'm met with responses to the effect that it's a awful idea to try and define a community by its ZCTA rather than its actual corporate limits, even though many do anyway.  We afford a gross amount of undue weight to the Unorganized Borough in relation to its functions simply because it's a legally constituted entity, even though it's a horrible means of geographically dividing Alaska, considering that it hopscotches across the entire state save for the northern two or three degrees of latitude.  Anyway, in the course of my regular research about past figures in Alaskan political history, I came across this, which may provide background on why the two haven't been combined already.  To makes matters even muddier, there's also Jakolof Bay, Alaska, a former CDP containing portions of the current Seldovia Village CDP.  There's a clearer case for merging those two articles, especially if you're one who believes that Census Bureau geography is purely arbitrary.  Also, my watchlist shows that  has been doing lots of work regarding past census etymologies, division and population counts, so I've pinged that editor in case they have any relevant knowledge to bring to this discussion. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions  23:39, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Hey, guys, I'm glad somebody noticed my work. I've spent the better part of the past year researching every named locale in Alaska that has reported on the census since 1880 and tried to relay that on Wikipedia where possible. It's been quite a challenge, since the census itself was erroneous with spelling names and didn't bother to locate explicitly where many places were (and as a result, are now lost to history). Many other villages have moved about (I was researching Shaktoolik this evening, which has been in at least 3 places under 5 different spelled names).

In any event, Seldovia and Seldovia Village are indeed two separate political entities. Seldovia is a duly incorporated city (since 1945) and occupies a relatively small geographical area. Seldovia Village, conversely, is a relatively new creation: It was created by the U.S. Census Bureau in 2000 to take in a much larger area outside the city of Seldovia, extending from Seldovia Bay eastward to Jakolof Bay. I consider it more of a successor to the former Jakolof Bay CDP, which was centered on that geographical entity, but had very few people (only 28 in 1990). The Census Bureau, in their infinite wisdom, decided to dissolve Jakolof Bay and presumably place its few residents within a newly-created Seldovia Village CDP, where most of its residents live just outside the city limits of Seldovia.

I think it was ill-advised for the bureau to call it "Seldovia Village" because of the confusion it creates with the city. It should've either been called Outer Seldovia or East Seldovia or something like "Sel-Jak." But we don't get a vote on the name. As far as I know, the city of Seldovia has not yet annexed Seldovia Village, and unless it happens within the next 2 years, it's likely to appear separately in 2020 and continue to perpetuate confusion unless the CB takes my above name change suggestion.

Anyway, I hope that helps and why that these two must remain separate entries until annexation or a name change occurs. DJ Jones74 (talk) 02:14, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Well, that’s weird, but it seems it can be made clear by editing as opposed to merging. The idea that Seldovia is a city is kind of amusing. I realize these are legal definitions but still... Beeblebrox (talk) 00:08, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

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I removed the following text as it is more appropriated for the state of Alaska as a whole, not for the community of Seward:

 * for $7,200,000 on March 30, 1867. This translated into approximately 2.5 cents per acre ($6.18/km²) for 586,400 square miles (1,519,000 km²) of territory, three times the size of Texas.  The purchase of this frontier land ("Seward's Icebox") was mocked as "Seward's Folly" and Andrew Johnson's "polar bear garden"

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Location Map Quality
Sorry I'm no expert on Wikipedia, but I noticed that the german wikipedia page [] uses a much nicer location map than the english version. Is there a good reason for this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.232.64.175 (talk) 10:30, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I agree that is a better picture. I'll look into changing it. First I'll have to figure out how one goes about doing that. Crininger (talk) 03:47, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

We've got one like that too, as in Fort Yukon, Alaska. I'll swap it in on this page. Pfly (talk) 04:22, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Per value?
While I'm looking at this page, does anyone know what is meant by the sentence "Seward is the seventh most lucrative fisheries port in the United States per value."? Pfly (talk) 04:40, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I've done a bit of looking around and I believe that "per value" mean based on the value of the fish being taken from the port rather than the weight. I found this same sentence copied and pasted on a few other sites and none of them list any credible source or further explanation so i assume that it was taken from this article. I did find a couple of more recent reports on NOAA's web site. The most recent gives the national numbers for 2009 and 2010. In this report Seward is shown to be the port bringing in the ninth most amount of money, $69.2 million, up from $33.1 million in 2009. here is a link to the report: http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/mediacenter/docs/2011/sep/fus_sept2011.pdf

I think I'll go a head and edit this section of the article with the current information as well as less confusing wordage. Please let me know if anyone finds further information on the subject. Crininger (talk) 23:23, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

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Music scene
I'm not suggesting these bands don't exist, but that there are no reliable secondary sources to back up this claim. It also not shown or even asserted in the article that any of these bands have relevance outside of Soldotna. Please read this for more information. Beeblbrox (talk) 01:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Peninsula Savings and Loan
Found a Federal Reserve website which answered a lot of lingering questions about the history of financial institutions in Alaska, many of which failed during the real estate crash of the late 1980s. I've had faint memories of a savings and loan in the Blazy Mall and of that S&L being the first of these institutions to fail. Here's what that website returned:

 * 1979-02-07	PENINSULA SAVINGS AND LOAN ASSOCIATION located at BLAZY MALL STERLING HIGHWAY, SOLDOTNA, AK was established as a Savings & Loan Association.
 * 1986-08-09	PENINSULA SAVINGS AND LOAN ASSOCIATION failed. FIRST FEDERAL BANK OF ALASKA, S.B. acquired the remaining assets.

According to the same website, First Federal Bank was itself founded as an S&L in 1955, becoming a bank in 1983 before failing in 1990, with its assets picked up by First National Bank of Anchorage. FFB's location in Spenard wasn't kept by FNBA, being too close to their existing branch a quarter-mile to the west, built nearly three decades before. The FFB building was later headquarters of VECO Corporation for many years before they moved here.

I assume the failure of Peninsula S&L was a significant enough event for Soldotna, though I question whether the institution itself was that significant to Soldotna overall. Looks like National Bank of Alaska, after lobbying an early state legislature to allow for branch banking, acquired the Bank of Homer soon afterward and expanded to Soldotna probably not long after that. I have a photo in my collection of the Soldotna NBA branch taken sometime in the mid 1960s, showing it to be alongside one of the highways but otherwise completely surrounded by wilderness. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 05:30, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I have settlements in nearly every state and some Canadian provinces watchlisted and I cannot recall even one that has any discussion of banking in the community. Do not see why we would start with this community. Oppose any discussion of any of this in the article. John from Idegon (talk) 06:08, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not at all surprised by your rationale. It seems as if we're willing to automatically confer notability upon every present-day bottom-feeding government agency, non-profit organization and D-list pseudo-celebrity seeking out yet another Internet site to promote themselves, while holding private-sector entities and historical topics to a different standard (more on that below).  The failure of Peninsula S&L occurred not only on the front end of the aforementioned events in Alaska, but also on the front end of the S&L crisis.  That article states: "While not part of the savings and loan crisis, many other banks failed. Between 1980 and 1994 more than 1,600 banks insured by the FDIC were closed or received FDIC financial assistance...From 1986 to 1995, the number of federally insured savings and loans in the United States declined from 3,234 to 1,645. This was primarily, but not exclusively, due to unsound real estate lending."  Framed within that context, it's an extremely insignificant event.  OTOH, the fact that the majority of Alaska's financial institutions failed or were otherwise snapped up by larger institutions in a span of less than five years, a number of which had existed for many decades (during this time, KeyBank acquired the B. M. Behrends Bank in Juneau, which had existed for 98 years, plus the First National Bank of Fairbanks, about a decade younger), would be rather important to a reader's encyclopedic understanding of Alaska.  There's no reasonable explanation for why it wouldn't, other than the fact that it occurred 25–30 years ago and therefore certain favored sources aren't going to be discussing it today.  Compare the attention we've given to the Alaska political corruption probe with our (lack of) coverage of the North Slope Borough corruption case, the latter of which has been discussed in a far broader variety of reliable sources, which makes the coverage of the former out to be a WP:NOTNEWS poster child or a curious snapshot in time. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions  10:49, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

As for the article in general...
First off, thanks to for the work done to improve this article. However, several things. I thought that the practice of placing ELs directly into prose was deprecated years ago and is generally discouraged today. There's no DMOZ link and I haven't checked to see if a DMOZ page exists for Soldotna, but I would think that to be the more appropriate place for such links. While there's nothing I would consider harmful, there's also nothing I would consider useful. The most puzzling is the one pointing to the Donald E. Gilman River Center. Don Gilman served as borough mayor for 14 years and also served in the state senate, yet we're not acknowledging that notability, instead offering the impression that some random facility named for him is somehow more notable. More importantly, I don't see this as something that the world at large would really care about. The Alaska State Troopers is something that the world at large would care about due to that TV program. One of AST's detachments is based in Soldotna, which isn't mentioned, making a lot of the more trivial details which are mentioned out to be gratuitous advertising/promotion in comparison.

Any complaints about that pale in comparison to the notable people section, which is just one bad joke. When I think of notable people from Soldotna, I think of Burton Carver and Dolly Farnsworth and Justin Maile and Marge Mullen and Pat O'Connell and yes, even Les Anderson, not the names I'm currently looking at. From what I've read, Emily Johnson is actually from Clam Gulch. She was born in Soldotna because Soldotna is the location of the single hospital serving a large geographic area. This also appears to be the case with Travis Hall. That's called a contextual hole big enough to drive the Space Shuttle through, yet we create such a contextual hole in article after article after article. Pat O'Connell is locally legendary as a hockey coach and teacher at KCHS. More relevant to his notability is that he co-founded the Peninsula Clarion and was the first state legislator to identify as a Soldotna resident (though from what I can tell, he lives or lived on K-Beach Road outside city limits). As a legislator, he is still remembered today for being such a fierce partisan Republican that he once filibustered one of his own bills when the two Libertarians in the House at the time, Ken Fanning and Dick Randolph, signed on as co-sponsors. There's also John C. Davis, the owner of KSRM and sister stations, who has been associated with Soldotna and the broadcasting industry on the Central Peninsula since the late 1960s, very much a longstanding pillar of the community. "The Church of Born and Raised", the practice of artificially attaching significance to one's birthplace where none actually exists, combined with the slavish devotion to mentioning things strictly for the purpose of providing wikilinks to other articles instead of mentioning things because they're contextually relevant, makes up part of the reason why people question the need for notable people sections. Are we going to try and claim that Loren Leman and Mike Navarre aren't "from" the Kenai Peninsula because they were born outside, even though both spent almost their entire childhoods on the peninsula (Leman in Ninilchik, Navarre in Kenai and Nikiski)? RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 10:49, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

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1898 Sunrise “briefly the largest city in Alaska territory” is a ridiculous assertion.
In 1898 Dyea, Skaguay, and Juneau were all 5 to 10 times larger than Sunrise. Ruthiegirl9 (talk) 14:40, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

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Population
This article mentions the population of Ketchikan three different times, and gives a different figure each time! Isn't once enough? GeneCallahan (talk) 19:55, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

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99901 is not the highest zip code in the united states. Ward Cove, another borough on the same island as ketchikan has a zipcode of 99928. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.162.175.133 (talk) 23:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem appears to originate from two sources: This one - but it does not appear to qualify as a WP:RS. The second source being the USPS website, which if you search for "Ketchikan, AK", it lists 99950 as a ZIP Code for an APO/FPO (Air/Army Post Office or Fleet Post Office) or a domestic military installation for a specific PO Box.
 * However, an alternate search tool on the USPS website shows 99950 being valid for three locations, each of which are many miles apart: Ketchikan, Edna Bay, and Kasaan. So, the inconsistency of the USPS data brings the information into question, so I've removed the information until a more reliable source can be found to clarify it. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:55, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

 * As a Ketchikan resident, I can tell you with the utmost certainty that 99901 is the Ketchikan zipcode. 67.189.104.78 (talk) 00:20, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't doubt it; but it's not uncommon for PO Boxes to have different zip codes from the rest of the community. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 02:25, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

 * United States Postal Service Facts
 * "Highest Number ZIP Code is 99950 in Ketchikan, AK."
 * Ketchikan spans several Zip Codes
 * 99901 is Ketchikan's primary local ZIP code including P.O. Boxes
 * 99950 is used for Ketchikan remote/rural customers P.O. Boxes, For instance: several Prince of Wales island/Outer Ketchikan communities which the Post Office does not do home delivery.
 * If you select ZIP Codes by City
 * 99903, 99918, 99919 are also used for Ketchikan P.O. Boxes
 * For those doubters, go to ZIP Code Lookup,
 * select Find All Cities in a ZIP Code
 * 99950, Actual City name in 99950: (PO BOX) KETCHIKAN, AK; Acceptable City names in 99950: EDNA BAY, AK; KASAAN, AK
 * 99901, Actual City name in 99901: KETCHIKAN, AK; Acceptable City names in 99901: EDNA BAY, AK; KASAAN, AK; NAUKATI BAY, AK
 * 99903, Actual City name in 99903: (PO BOX) MEYERS CHUCK, AK; Acceptable City names in 99903: KETCHIKAN, AK
 * 99918, Actual City name in 99918: (PO BOX) COFFMAN COVE, AK; Acceptable City names in 99918: KETCHIKAN, AK
 * 99919, Actual City name in 99919: (PO BOX) THORNE BAY, AK; Acceptable City names in 99919: KETCHIKAN, AK
 * And these P.O. Boxes are physically located in Ketchikan (even though they may serve "remote" customers).
 * LeheckaG (talk) 04:20, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, the USPS Facts & Figures page is exactly what I was hoping could be found to use as a reliable source. I also went in and modified the url's in the ref tags to prepopulate the cite, state, and zip information in the two relevant ref tags. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:57, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

The Mayor?
I don't know much about Ketchikan - I'm studying it as part of my A-level (it's a British higher education qualification) but doesn't it go without saying that the Mayor lives in the city? St91 (talk) 20:08, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Yes, he would live there of course. The only other places are (very) small communities such as Ward Cove and Saxman; these are really nothing more than extensions of Ketchikan with perhaps their own store/gas station combination and - best I recall - maybe a volunteer fire station. (I lived in Ketchikan for two entire summers, in 2003-04). Saxman is notable for its totem poles and an offloading point for cargo from ships. Ward cove I think had a fishing history and I beleive a now-defunct lumber industry. In any event, the Mayor is not a "notable resident" in the sense Wikipedia means and should not be on that list.

 * Good luck on the A-levels. The notable points of Ketchikan are 1) Current reliance on tourism (and the cruise ships), 2) the commerical fishing industry that largely transitioned to sport fishing in the 80s, 3) the amount of rain the area gets, and 4) some of its colorful history such as the Red Light district that lasted into the 1950s, its involvment in rum-running in Prohibition, etc....Hope this post isn't too late to help! Engr105th (talk) 13:03, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Dubious material
I removed this content, which someone at 206.223.207.119 added in place of the lead section's third paragraph. Some of it looks like it's backed up by improperly-formatted references and therefore possibly useful. On the other hand, asserting that an isolated town like Ketchikan is a suburb of a place I've never heard of sounds pretty preposterous:

 * "Ketchikan is accidently named after the old Wrangell. The Tlingit name for the region around Wrangell was called in Tlingit, 'Tennath-Kutchin' meaning 'Middle People'. Swanton 'The Tlingit People' page 25. These lands are owned by the Sovereign Tribe of the Hehl, known by the Tlingits as the 'Xel Tribe', Foam People. From Boca de Quadra to just above the Stikine River, From Canada to the inside passage, Etolin, Wrangell and Revillagegado island as well as other small islands, are Hehl Tribal Lands. Ketchikan is a suburb of greater Loring."

A. Parrot (talk) 22:44, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Actually, this contributor got it right, if you're talking about 1892, that is. I'm thinking it's a higher-than-4th-grade-level troll. Loring is a long-standing ghost town to the (northwest?) of Ketchikan, with a substantial history of its own for its time, which was attempting to be the population center of the region. It was built around a cannery and nearby timber industries.RadioKAOS (talk) 15:02, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

NPOV check
From the article:

"The bridge would have connected the island of Ketchikan to Gravina island where the airport is located so one can drive to the airport rather than taking the ferry across the waters."

Uh, no. The purpose of the bridge was to expand Ketchikan, as land flat enough to build on is in very short supply on Revillagigedo Island. Being able to drive directly to the airport is merely a side benefit.

Since the Gravina Island Bridge project was so controversial, coincidental with it being a major national media topic, this may represent an NPOV violation, specifically with making the purpose of the bridge appear to be so trivial.RadioKAOS (talk) 10:25, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Photos
I found a Ketchikan Gateway Borough planning document published in the 1970s. There were a small handful of USFS and USGS photos contained therein, mostly of a historical nature. None of them appear on the USGS website. The USFS search engine was too cumbersome for me to spend that much time dealing with.

The photo which originally caught my attention was of the collapse of the Carlanna Creek bridge in 1973. There were other historical photos which are also appropriate. I'll make an effort to scan them when I can. There is one big problem, though. The article has no history section, and is generally somewhat lacking in historical perspective or information. That's probably beyond the scope of what I can do right now. Anyone else?RadioKAOS (talk) 03:49, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Southernmost City is Adak or Unalaska
This article says Ketchikan is the Southernmost City of Alaska, which is 55 Degrees North. The article on Adak says its the Southernmost city of Alaska although it is classified as a CDP at 51 Degrees North, and Unalaska is a City that is 53 Degrees North and classified as a City. Cold Bay, King Cove, and Sand Point are also cities which are 55 Degrees North, so how is Ketchikan the Southernmost City in Alaska? Saxman is also mentioned as a City and it is South of Ketchikan. Metlakatla is South of Ketchikan too but it is a CDP. So there are cities and CDP's south of Ketchikan so should this article be changed to reflect this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.104.170.30 (talk) 21:09, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

 * The article currently says "southeasternmost" and not southernmost, so I believe the only objections to that claim would come from Metlakatla and Saxman. As you say, however, Metlakatla is not an incorporated city, and Saxman, while it has a separate political status, is for all intents and purposes a part of the community of Ketchikan. Ketchikanadian (talk) 07:59, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't catch that, okay that makes sense. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.104.170.30 (talk) 21:24, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

History Section
The article clearly needs a history section. I will look at getting together some sources, but if someone else wants to jumpstart the section thatʼd be great. Ketchikanadian (talk) 05:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

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Ketchikan redirects here and there is no disambiguation page for "Ketchikan", so I don't understand why the title of this article is "Ketchikan, Alaska" and not just "Ketchikan"? It's not like there's a Ketchikan, Florida... 139.133.0.2 (talk) 17:09, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

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Found this on the tribal entities in Alaska list, wondering if it's the same thing as the City of Saxman or if there's a distinction between the native part/govermment of the community and any non-native one; if not it should be in the lede and in the infobox.Skookum1 (talk) 16:04, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

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When reaching this page by searching for 99615, there should be a disambiguation for the main 99615 location which is KODIAK. Akhiok is a minor rural station in that zip code. I live in Kodiak. Wl7aml 21:57, 13 September 2007 (UTC)] This article is a very rough draft, and was not proof-read to a great degree. I am currently working on getting the information from the State of Alaska's community information database copied over for each community, at which point I will come back through and start editing. If this message is still here, that means I have yet to come back. Of course, please feel free to clean this up, hopefully to conform with the WikiProject_Cities standards (or at least, as well as can be done for Alaska's unique villages and towns). Thanks!! —akghetto talk 07:07, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

What is meant by "2nd class city"?? Is that meant as a negative subjective judgement? Should it be removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.70.58.119 (talk) 02:14, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmmm...this question actually comes up enough to where an answer might be helpful. Since the presentation of communities in Alaska is currently an unspeakable mess, it's just one more thing to fix.
 * In Alaska, boroughs and cities (the only municipal entities recognized under the Alaska Constitution) are divided into classes. These classes pertain to the powers the municipality may exercise under Alaska Statutes.  Hence, the term "general law municipality" is used in Alaska, mainly to differentiate from a home rule municipality.  The primary difference between a first-class and second-class city, at least as far as what's transparent to the average person, is the minimum population required to incorporate and the fact that mayors of second-class cities are chosen by the council from amongst its membership, rather than popularly elected.  There's more to say, but hope this helps for now. RadioKAOS  –  Talk to me, Billy  21:24, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

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В деревне 37 человек. Из них полтора процента аборигенов. Мне это очень нравится. The hamlet has population of 37. 1.5% of them are Natives or part-Natives. I like it VERY much. 77.243.99.35 (talk) 20:52, 8 April 2017 (UTC)twincat

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No mention of 1964 tsunami
In 1964 a tsunami with 35 foot waves wiped out Kodiak's business district. http://www.kodiak.org/earthquake.html and Michael Palin's Full Circle (1997). This would seem to be worth mentioning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.89.192.125 (talk) 23:17, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Coast Guard
This page needs a section on the Coast Guard station, preferably its history and present population and duties.  Nancy Heise   ''' talk 02:01, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

City vs community
The jet airport is not in the city, Sampson Tug & Barge is not in the city, there is ferry service directly from Port Lions to Homer, therefore not all of the shipping to the island goes through the city. Most of the community lives outside the city limits. Good demographics are available at http://www.zipskinny.com for 99615. This gives the true picture about population of the COMMUNITY and not just what is within the CITY, but this article is about the CITY. I'm one of those who lives just north of the city. I have a nice military history at http://www.kadiak.org which also has a page or two about the 1964 tsunami. Wl7aml (talk) 08:05, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping! I agree that the page needs to be improved. I want to work on this as I have time.  Nancy Heise   ''' talk 05:25, 23 October 2009 (UTC) (in response to original post by Wl7aml (talk) 02:59, 15 August 2009 (UTC))
 * This is an ongoing problem. Articles tend to be built on editors' perceptions of what the city is, which more often than not is based on a zip code coverage area than on corporate limits.  The community articles on Wikipedia were for the most part mass-created by a bot, and as such were organized along city/CDP lines.  Otherwise, this article would have been titled "ZIP code 99615".  Kodiak is one of four major anomalies in the city/CDP dynamic in Alaska, the others being Ketchikan, Palmer and Wasilla.  In these cases, there is a significant populated area directly outside city limits, yet is not included within a census-designated place.  In the specific case of Kodiak, I assume we're talking about the neighborhoods east of downtown and Mill Bay Road and stretching north toward Fort Abercrombie, as well as part of the highway between town and the airport.  Unless this area can be established as a separate unincorporated community or communities through reliable sources, it makes no sense to not mention them as a part of Kodiak.  All that's needed is to discern what is and isn't within city limits when that distinction is important. RadioKAOS  –  Talk to me, Billy  11:48, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

There are 7 communities on Kodiak, not 6
In addition to the city of Kodiak, there are 6 villages on the island (Ahkiok, Larsen Bay, Old Harbor, Ouzinkie, Port Lions and Karluk). —Preceding unsigned comment added by TaleofGenji (talk • contribs) 04:13, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Ouzinkie is on Spruce Island not Kodiak Island. It is, however, within the borough. Wl7aml (talk) 00:28, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Suggestions

 * Kodiak has the only commercial rocket launch site in the US, the Kodiak Launch Complex
 * Kodiak is almost entirely green between the hydro-power and the three newly installed wind generators:
 * http://alaskarenewableenergy.org/2009/09/kodiaks-new-45mw-wind-turbines-get-official-ribbon-cutting/ Xurtio (talk) 00:16, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * http://alaskarenewableenergy.org/2010/03/kodiak-electric-association-wins-national-award-for-wind-project/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xurtio (talk • contribs) 00:24, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

 * The link to KUBD-LP television should be deleted as the TV station does not exist. Any web search for the owners brings up very old pages with phone numbers and addresses that don't work.  I installed the transmitter many years ago and it never had ANY programming, just color bars.  I also removed the transmitter and antenna which was on top of the building at 1623 Mill Bay Road because they stopped paying rent.  I tried to say that on the KUBD-LP page but the some Wikipedia person was not happy with that and removed my comments.  Wl7aml (talk) 07:58, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

"Rusty Tusty"
Having grown up in Kodiak, I've never heard the term "Rusty Tusty". Nor have my friends or girlfriend (who were also raised in Kodiak). This may represent a small demographic. Anyway, if it can be cited, fine, but we don't want to use an encyclopedia to invent terminology. I'm removing it for now. Xurtio (talk) 21:05, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

M/V Tustumena is known as both Rusty Tusty and Trusty Tusty. I work at the Kodiak ferry terminal. Wl7aml (talk) 00:34, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Fort Abercrombie
A historical site. Some pictures and a section on it would be nice. Xurtio (talk) 21:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not in the City of Kodiak which is the title of this article. However, http://www.kadiak.org has quite a bit about Ft. Abercrombie. Wl7aml (talk) 07:59, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Notable people
Some notable people from Kodiak and a few who notably passed through, if anyone has time:

 * Alvin Amason – his years in Kodiak could stand to be better defined. The article erroneously states that he was born in Kodiak, when multiple sources state that he was actually born in McKinney, Texas.
 * Joel Bolger – was Kodiak Island Borough attorney for many years
 * Cliff Davidson – state representative
 * Peter Deveau – state representative, majority leader during the early years of the state legislature
 * Walter J. Erskine – ran a mercantile business of certain prestige out of the Baranof House for many years
 * Carolyn Floyd – the redlink means that an article is likely coming soon, as there appears to be an effort to write articles on the Alaska Women's Hall of Fame inductees. In the meantime, see that article, their website or Kodiak College.
 * Edward W. "Ned" Griffin –
 * Gilbert Jarvela –
 * Roy Madsen –
 * Bob Mulcahy –
 * Edward F. Naughton –
 * Alfred A. Owen –
 * Cindy Suryan –
 * Warren A. Taylor –
 * Joe Vogler –
 * Fred Zharoff –

More to come... RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 13:30, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Disambig
needs disambig line (I am 2 dumb)Sadsaque (talk) 19:49, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

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Is this city named after Arctic explorer Henry Larsen?

Peter Larsen
The town (Not quite a city !) is named after a Russian furrier name Peter Larsen. Will update this article soon. Woodsstock 15:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

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Is this the first permanent russian settlement in Alaska? 12.17.141.39 23:51, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
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ABC News just had an interesting story on how the federal government is spending $15 million to build a new airport. This is worth mentioning in the article... FAA Approves New $15 Million Airport for Alaska Town of 150

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