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County Library Turns Down $10,000 Per Year Since 2004
All, I added this section and another Wikipedian removed it claiming it was POV. Rather, it is fact, written as fact, and it is POV to remove it. I personally spoke with some Freeholders who told me they were not aware of this -- not aware the Library turns down $10,000 of tax grants from the federal government at a time when every tax dollar counts in New Jersey, one of the only states in serious financial trouble at this time. Not aware this was done because the people running the library chose to follows American Library Association guideleines instead of community standards.

So I ask you all, should this not be included? What rewording might you suggest?

 * In addition to the Board of Chosen Freeholders, the Morris County Library System has full power to affect tax revenue. The Morris Automated Information Network, which supplies Internet service to area libraries, decided to turn down $10,000 in federal funding, each year, starting in 2004, just to be able to maintain unfiltered Internet access in the public library system rather than comply with the Children's Internet Protection Act. The Library's Integrity, editorial, The Star-Ledger, Sept. 11, 2004. Internet Freedom Will Cost Morris County Library System $10,000, editorial, Echoes Sentinel, Sept. 15, 2004.

Thanks. --SafeLibraries 18:11, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

 * I removed it for a few reasons. The main one is this is an article about Morris County, not the Morris County Library system where this info might be relevant. This is not a major controversy in the County and I would be surprised if a majority of residents even cared were they aware of it. The county library's budget this year is $4.5 million so $10k is not a major issue. Also, I object to the phrase "rather than comply". The federal law gives the option of accepting the money or unfiltered Internet. The library chose the latter and thus are in compliance with federal law. If they accepted federal dollars but refused the parental filters then they'd be breaking the law but that isn't the case here. This all happened two years ago and that commentary you cite applauds the library for their stance. Where is the controversy here? More importantly, why is this relevant in an article about Morris County? --dm (talk) 05:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

 * The section of the article had to due with the Morris County budget. So did my addition.  The $10,000 per year that you think is "not a major issue" per year is money that the county is not taking in because of the library.  So, in this budget section of the wiki, also about the Freeholders, it must be said that some Morris County budget items are affected by the Library.  Yes, this is a Morris County page, and the Library System has chosen to turn down $10,000 per year in funding.  It definitely belongs here.  Perhaps on the library's page too.

 * As to the language "rather than comply," you need to know that the library used to get that money yearly, until they were required by CIPA to install filters. Rather than comply, they choose to turn down the federal money rather than complying with CIPA to maintain the $10,000 per year.  This is the specific reason why they turned it down.  So it does belong on this wiki page.

 * And let me add this. I'll bet everything that if County residents were polled, they would rather comply with CIPA and get the $10,000 per year, per library, county wide.  I'll bet this because this is the result in poll after poll after poll elsewhere.  People don't even know this is going on, in large part.

 * And thanks for saying I added a link to arguments that applaud the library. I was trying to be fair on all sides, Fair.  Encyclopedic.  On the other hand, your efforts to claim $10,000 is irrelevant and the library system has nothing to do with the County's budget show your point of view clearly.

 * I await to hear what others say about this. --SafeLibraries 22:03, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

 * You keep insisting that the library refused to comply with CIPA. This is not true. CIPA only requires Internet filters at libraries that accept federal E-rate funds. The Morris County Library chose not to accept the funds so they are in compliance with the law. They are not the only library to do this, hence this is not notable. This article should not be about everything that happens in Morris County. A library system with a $4.5 million budget refusing a $10,000 grant is not notable. --dm (talk) 23:03, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Sorry, you are just wrong or using wishful thinking. To keep the funding, they must comply with CIPA.  They chose not to comply with CIPA; that is why they are not getting the funding anymore.  But for CIPA, they would still be getting that money to this day.  Noncompliance is perfectly legal and I never said it wasn't.  Nevertheless, they are not complying, and the county is out the money.  Would you be happier with "they chose not to comply with CIPA" rather than "they refused to comply with CIPA"?  However you phrase it, CIPA was the reason they no longer get the funding, and they specifically chose not to comply with CIPA.

 * You then said, "They are not the only library to do this, hence this is not notable." Similar sentences supported this POV of yours.  Irrelevant.  This article is not about the library or about filtering or about CIPA or even about noncompliance with CIPA.  This article is about the governance of Morris County and who pulls the financial strings.  The article says the Board of Chosen Freeholders pulls the financial strings, but that is not strictly correct where the library system gets to turn down $10,000 per year in federal funding.  And without even the Freeholders' knowledge, until recently.  So because it affects the county's bottom line and responsibility therefor, it is relevant here in this article that is discussing the county's bottom line and responsibility therefor. --SafeLibraries 04:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

 * You said, "The article says the Board of Chosen Freeholders pulls the financial strings, but that is not strictly correct where the library system gets to turn down $10,000 per year in federal funding." The article says that the Board of Chosen Freeholders has the power of "Preparing and adopting the county budget" which is accurate. The library is refusing federal money which of course the county doesn't have control over. CIPA gives each library the option to accept the federal dollars or unfiltered Internet. This is only about the county budget in a tangential sense. The library's budget is separate from the county's and it has other sources of income besides the county. It does not affect the county's bottom line as it does not affect how much money the Freeholders choose to allocate to the library. How could it if the freeholders didn't even know about it?

 * As far as compliance goes, I believe the library is in full compliance with CIPA. CIPA gives two options to libraries and they accepted one. An analogy: the federal tax code allows me to itemize or take the standard deduction. Many people choose the standard deduction even when it costs more in taxes. Are they refusing to comply with the tax law? Of course not. A library refusing to comply with CIPA would be one that accepted federal funds and then failed to use the required Internet filters. That's not the case here. --dm (talk) 06:19, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

 * You are playing words games. Pick another word if it makes you happy but you know exactly what I am saying that you are excusing as being irrelevant.  And the "library's budget" is not the issue here.  Let's agree to disagree and await further input.  Seeing none in about a week, I'm adding that information back in as you are the only dissenter and your arguments amount to word games and distractions about library budgets and the minimal impact of $10,000 per year per library and the like, and you admitted I pointed to links supporting your point of view, and the Freeholders I spoke with expressed concern that this was occurring and were interested in learning more, so it is incorrect to imply it's inconsequential just because "the freeholders didn't even know about it."  That's like saying there's a low murder rate because no one's finding the bodies. --SafeLibraries 06:41, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I've put this debate on WP:RFC so that others might weigh in. Please don't take unilateral action. Wikipedia decisions are supposed to be based on consensus which clearly doesn't exist here. Also, I did not admit that the link "support[ed my] point of view". I have been careful to keep my personal feelings about this issue out of the debate. My point of view is simply that this information doesn't belong on this page. --dm (talk) 18:44, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Seems like a notable event worth mentioning. The library system is taking a stand, and that's notable. 18:46, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

To be able to determine if the fact belongs in the article, a little more information is needed. I feel that this article needs more information on the county budget and expenses. In that larger context, the CIPA funding could be mentioned (with one or two sentences). In the meantime, I would suggest to put it in a Trivia section. --LucVerhelst 19:13, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * What does "the Morris County Library System has full power to affect tax revenue" really mean ? Can the library board decide on its own to raise taxes ? If so, to what extent ?
 * Is the library budget part of the county budget ? (i.e. what happens when the library has a deficit ?) If it's not, the fact doesn't seem to belong in this article.
 * What is the size of the county budget ?
 * Does the county have a healthy budget ? Are there financial problems, that are substantially worsened by refusing the federal funds ?

Ok, now I agree with you -- let's get more voices. I'll make no further changes without consensus. As to county budgeting, I'm not the expert, though I suppose I could try to "look it up." I do think the library budget is part of the county budget. The library cannot raise taxes, so I may have used the wrong word, but don't take my personal lack of financial savvy to mean the issue is not valid. I don't know about the library's budget, other than they reject $10,000 per year since 2004. I do know, however, but without cite, that Morris County is one of the best run counties in the whole USA, and to that extent, the $10,000 is likely no biggie. Oh, the library board on its own can decide to turn down funding that the county could have had, and would have had had the citizens been polled instead of following a small group who follows the ALA's policies to skirt CIPA and US v. ALA. Yes, it's legal to skirt CIPA, but that's not what the citizens would want if they were asked -- that's only what the ALA acolytes want. Friends For Safer Libraries is another organization where a child was exposed to inappropriate material that likely would not have been there but for a small group of library trustees who decided to circumvent the US Supreme Court in the very case they themselves joined and lost in the US Supreme Court, and they are not collecting $104,000 per year. -- A "Trivia" section may, uh, trivialize the issue, and it is not trivial. The library taking a stand may be notable but not here -- here it's notable they get to affect the County's bottom line. Hey, if I was personally in charge of turning down $10,000 per year of money that could have gone to the County governemtn, is that not notable? The library does it under cover of the ALA and suddenly that's not notable? --SafeLibraries 23:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Let's look at the facts added below.

Fact 1 says "Morris County government is run by the Board of Chosen Freeholders [BCF]. Among their responsibilities are ... the County Library." That tells me that the Board of Chosen Freeholders is responsible for the County Library. That puts to rest the question of who is responsible for the library and casts sharp relief on the County Library's turning down federal money without BCF knowledge, let alone approval -- the BCF is responsible for the County Library.

Fact 3 is the anticipated 2006 budget. In it we see relevant items. A) We see items less that $10,000 are taken into consideration in the budget. That puts to rest the issue of whether $10,000 is too inconsequential to care since they care about items of even significantly lesser amounts -- $10,000 is not trivial.  B) We see itemization of "Book Fines - Library." That puts to rest whether the BFC is tracking County Library monies -- they are tracking library monies. --SafeLibraries 02:56, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Fact 4 shows says, "a man was using one of the public computers at the Morris County Library in Hanover Township to view and print child pornography" and "He saw the man access web sites named Boy Lovers, Man/Boy Lovers, and Child Starlets and use the library printer to copy images of male children which focused on their genitalia" and "he often viewed child pornography web sites at the county library because it was near where he worked." This puts to rest the issue of whether this is all just idle talk -- it's deadly serious, it's not trivial. This also puts to rest the issue of whether people would do this in such a public area -- they do this nationwide regularly, and as we can see they do this right in the very library that is CHOOSING TO MAINTAIN UNFILTERED ACCESS EVEN KNOWING OF NJ V. SISLER'S FACTS. This also goes to the importance of the budget issues -- how/why does the library continue to refuse to use filters given fact 4, and given fact 4, the library's ability to affect the county's budget as is does is all the more shocking.

If the county's shooting ranges had protective gear that was purchased by the range and was inadequate and people continued getting injured, is it not notable if no one does anything to take over control of the range to properly administer budgeting safety equipment? Well maybe that's not the best example, but it approaches the outrage people might have that people at the range get to spend or refuse funding for safety gear where serious problems are known to be evident. Similarly, people at the library get to speand or refuse funding for Internet safety gear where serious problems are known to be evident. --SafeLibraries 04:37, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, by the way, this page discusses the county's budgeting and the like. Since the County Library has a direct effect on that as all these facts are showing, my original effort to add in text that you excised remains valid, only now, because you have forced this RfC, the facts are coming out that are further strengthening the gist of my original suggestion. Reword it as you like but it must be included. --SafeLibraries 04:45, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree with you that this is not a trivial matter. The proper authorities should deal with the problem.
 * In the context of an international encyclopedia however, I'd like to see some proof on the relevancy. I'm a European, I might be interested in Morris County, and look it up on Wikipedia, and I also might be interested in CIPA, correlated funding and the important issue of child protection problems associated with it, and might look that up in the relevant article, but I don't believe I would be interested in a large paragraph of this one subject in the other subject's article. --LucVerhelst 07:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Perfect question. The answer is CIPA, CIPA funding, and child protection problems associated with CIPA are totally IRRELEVANT to this article!  So I agree with you!!  However, that is not the subject of the article.  Morris County governance and budgetary matters is the subject of this article.  Relevant to this article about Morris County governance and budgetary matters is that the Morris County library system is, whether allowed or not, making decisions on behalf of and directly affecting the budgetary matters of Morris County.  To that extent, to the extent the library affects governance and budgetary matters here in Morris County, that needs to go in the article.  Why?  Because I want it to?  Who cares what I want.  It goes in because it is a fact.  Factually, this is what's happening, and it is directly relevant to this article.

 * Now you say you are from Europe. You are reading about governance and budgetary matters of Morris County, State of New Jersey, United States of America.  You are reading about the BCF.  Are you getting the full picture?  No.  Why?  Because the library also has a small but notable part in the governance and budgetary matters of Morris County.  This may not be strictly legal, and I am not saying it is not, but it is actually happening, it is non trivial, indeed it is encyclopedic, and it should be included.  Granted there does not need to be a write up about CIPA, the perils that befall children if CIPA is not followed, and the existing crimes already known to occur in the Morris County library system like in fact 4.  But that's not for the Morris County page, at least not this section of the page.  What is, however, is the library's effect on the material that DOES appear on this page.

 * Now if we just add a quick blurb about the library also affecting a small chuck of the County's budget, people would naturally want to know why, in what area does it affect the budget. The answer to that is it turns down $10,000 per year since 2004 of federal money that the Conty used to get yearly before CIPA required Internet filters in certain public libraries, and this particular library was one of those libraries.  That is not the best wording, but that is the essential fact that needs to be included.  It is quite remarkable that in a government that is so tightly controlled, something like this has slipped through the cracks in a way that may actually result in future criminal activity as it already has in the past as shown in fact 4.

 * By the way, Morris County is really one of the better counties in the entire USA, according to polls I've heard on the radio over the years rating various regions or towns of the USA. Just keep your eyes open when you go to the library. ;-) --SafeLibraries 12:19, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

 * By the way, I can't remember the specific cite, but the European library main organization specifically diverges from the ALA on these issues. --SafeLibraries 12:40, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I see no one else is complaining. So, for the single one who has, I will change the language. How about this single sentence:

 * The Morris County Library has a small impact on county tax revenues: the Morris Automated Information Network, which supplies Internet service to area libraries, turns down $10,000 per year in federal funding, starting in 2004, to obviate the need to comply with the Children's Internet Protection Act so as to maintain unfiltered Internet access.

And these will be in reference tags: The Library's Integrity, editorial, The Star-Ledger, Sept. 11, 2004. Internet Freedom Will Cost Morris County Library System $10,000, editorial, Echoes Sentinel, Sept. 15, 2004.

Thanks. I'll add this next week or so if no further comment appears here on this matter. --SafeLibraries 16:12, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

 * I still don't think this info really belongs on this page but in the spirit of compromise I won't object to the addition you propose provided you make one small change. "County tax revenues" should be replaced with "the county budget". The library's decision has no effect on the county's tax revenue as this is federal grant money. --dm (talk) 19:10, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Facts with cites
Let's all add facts here and number them, then we can easily refer to facts by number. Give source first. 1) http://www.gti.net/mocolib1/reps.html
 * Morris County government is run by the Board of Chosen Freeholders. Among their responsibilities are our parks, roads, jail, nursing home and the County Library.

2) Meet the Freeholders is the Freeholder's web site. 3) COUNTY OF MORRIS 2006 BUDGET ANTICIPATED REVENUES

--SafeLibraries 02:47, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

4) NJ v. Sisler, 353 N.J. Super. 590, 803 A.2d 700
 * The record below consists of the following testimony before the Morris County Grand Jury. FBI Agent [MrAgent] received information in November 1999, that a man was using one of the public computers at the Morris County Library in Hanover Township to view and print child pornography. [MrAgent] went to the library on December 15, 1999, and saw a man subsequently identified as defendant sitting in front of one of the library computers and using the Internet to view images of children engaged in what [MrAgent] described as prohibited sexual acts. He saw the man access web sites named Boy Lovers, Man/Boy Lovers, and Child Starlets and use the library printer to copy images of male children which focused on their genitalia. [MrAgent] did not testify as to the number of copies of each image that were printed. He did say the copied pages were piled about an inch and a half thick.

 * The following day, December 16, 1999, the defendant admitted to Detective [MrDetective] of the Morris County Prosecutor's Office that he often viewed child pornography web sites at the county library because it was near where he worked. He admitted having photographs and images of nude young men at his home and explained that he often masturbated while viewing the pictures.

--SafeLibraries 04:21, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Morris County Board of Taxation
Morris Tax Board Never Gets Bored of Traveling; Members Visited Alaska, Orlando, Other Spots on Public Money, October 27, 2006, by Lawrence Ragonese, Star-Ledger Staff

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"More Republican"
Text stated that Morris County was "more Republican" than any other New Jersey county. This was cited as needing a citation. This request was removed saying that it was cited in the rest of the paragraph. But the rest of the paragraph merely stated that Morris County had voted Republican in various elections. This does not make it "more" Republican than any other. A neutral source is needed to make that observation. It cannot be "proved" by inserted cited material on voting. A comparative analysis must be made by and outside source. Not Wikipedia editors inserting voting records. Student7 (talk) 19:29, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

 * My attempt to either delete this or place a fact tag on it, resulted in inadvertent automatic editing by my child-friendly pc, which I am forced to use. Temporarily, I hope. I won't try to change it again, but it still needs justification which it doesn't now have. Student7 (talk) 22:00, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Dutch non-settlements
Editors keep trying to place the Dutch in Morris County when they couldn't because they didn't get along with the Lenape. Therefore, there was no "Dutch history." No Russian history either. Or Chinese history, etc. If the settlers aren't there, there is no history. It is a non-event. The Chinese can do anything they want between 1620 and 1680. It doesn't get reported here if Chinese never made it as far as Morris County. Student7 (talk) 12:53, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Index is missing for municipalities map
The caption of the municipalities map near the bottom of the page says to click on it for an index to the municipalities. The index does indeed appear on the clickthrough page, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Morris_County,_New_Jersey_Municipalities.png -- but it is not immediately obvious, and you have to scroll down to find it. I believe the list should be on the main page of the article itself, perhaps with a show/hide toggle, and ideally in a two-column table, rather than two back-to-back tables. But I don't know how to achieve this. Kirkpete (talk) 16:28, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

 * Apparently, this is still an issue 11 years later. Kire1975 (talk) 22:08, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Self-promotion
The "highest point" is of a sign on top of some hill. However, it has two people standing prominently besides it. This seems mostly self-promotional for the two. Probably should be deleted for that reason. It should be replaced, anyway. Student7 (talk) 19:28, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

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Central Jersey vs Jersey Shore
There have been some questions about whether or not Ocean County is part of Central Jersey or the Jersey Shore. A lot of edits have been made on the subject and I think it's best to hash out before making changes back and forth. For what it's worth, most of what I've seen either considers it Central Jersey or both, but not exclusively Jersey Shore. Both regions are nebulous, including and excluding parts of multiple counties and towns, but no county is completely in the Jersey Shore region (which include PARTS of Cape May, Atlantic, Ocean, and Monmouth counties) whereas the entirety of some counties are considered Central (Mercer, Monmouth, etc.).

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 * Well I'll eat a bit of crow on that, as, according to the State of NJ, Monmouth in "Central Jersey Debatable": Office of the Governor | Official Map of Central Jersey (nj.gov)
 * This shouldn't be taken as proof that Monmouth and Ocean are NOT part of Central though, as the state itself of saying that it's really up to the person and, by my guess, also depending entirely on the area your speaking of (i.e. no one would consider Jackson or Allentown to be part of the Shore region, but Sandy Hook and Seaside Heights definitely are). Lindsey40186 (talk) 14:42, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

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Any word on the proposal to merge all of the county's municipal police forces into one unified, countywide police department? -98.221.141.21 (talk) 08:52, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

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Municipalities
In the Municipalities section of this article there is a map. In the map are a bunch of numbers. Either erase the numbers (it is easy to do) or add the numbers to the list of municipalities to the left. As it stands now, it is very annoying. - 4.240.159.188 (talk) 07:04, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Duplicate
I just noticed that this appears to be a duplicate of Somerset, New Jersey? 208.252.24.66 (talk) 15:45, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, one is a town one is the county -- different. 208.252.24.66 (talk) 15:47, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Municipalities
Many of the unincorporated communities have had "non-CDP", in bold, added next to them. Aside from being unsightly, does anyone feel readers of the article care if it's CDP or non-CDP? They can go to the individual article and read whether they are CDP or not. It's like listing "has more that 1000 people" or "George Washington slept here". The article also says, without any source, that "most of these areas are census-designated places". It actually appears that most are not. Should this cruft be removed? Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 01:38, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Per this source, a census-designated place is "recognized and used in daily communication by the residents of the community" with boundaries mapped based on the geographic extent associated with residents' use of the place name. Unlike place names listed arbitrarily by GNIS as one-dimensional points with little or no meaningful data about the place beyond latitude / longitude and altitude, CDPs are federally recognized areas for which meaningful demographic and statistical data is available. Most of the places are in fact CDPs, though here and elsewhere it would be far more helpful to identify CDPs (rather than non-CDPs), as these are places that are far more likely to have useful current information for place names that are widely accepted and recognized by those in the area as forming a cohesive modern-day community. Alansohn (talk) 05:18, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Photo of statue

What is the statue of liberty of new york city doing in pictures of somerset county? Please scroll thru the pictures to see what I mean before removing this question.2602:306:CFC8:DDB0:B9DC:A0BC:EEF0:31A4 (talk) 19:41, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
 * How about you copy the picture link to right here, so we can see what you're talking about. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:01, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
 * why don't you look for it where i suggested? Then you'll know it's where i said it was. And Im not young and im not good at this computer linking stuff.2602:306:CFC8:DDB0:B9DC:A0BC:EEF0:31A4 (talk) 20:34, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I only see two pics in the article [shown here now], and nothing to scroll through. If you're talking about the pictures over at Commons, you would need to take your complaint there, although I'm not seeing it there either. Can you tell me the specific file name of the picture? Then I might be able to track it down. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:44, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your checking, but you didn't scroll far enough. It is the last photo, right after the one with the train in the snow.2602:306:CFC8:DDB0:A03E:BA7:5E6:3345 (talk) 22:13, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I opened the entire article in edit mode. There are only two picture files in it, the ones I re-posted here. If you hover over the one you're seeing, you should be able to see the file name somewhere in your browser. Do that, tell me the file name, and I'll see what I can figure out. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:33, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Freiheitsstatue NYC full.jpg::...don't understand why I see it and you don't. oh well.2602:306:CFC8:DDB0:A03E:BA7:5E6:3345 (talk) 03:29, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * The file page does indeed say that the file is in use on this page. Yet when I open the page in edit mode, I cannot find "Freiheitsstatue". I'm going to take this question to the ref desk and see if anyone has any ideas. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:37, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, I've got a partial answer: It turns out that the statue picture is embedded in Template:New York metropolitan area. But I can only see it if I un-hide the template. Do you have a preference setting where you automatically un-hide templates when you arrive at a page? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:00, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * At the misc ref desk, there are some ideas emerging. Maybe you could go there and comment? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:43, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Simpler names for townships
Should these be applied to the municipalities section for townships? ThatOneJerseyDude (talk) 13:24, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Too Bad The Map Doesn't Work
it's too bad that the allegedly interactive map doesn't actually work. It certainly doesn't work at all on Smartphones. I have to test it out on a laptop and desktop. Stevenmitchell (talk) 11:03, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

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William Poole is a notable Sussex County native
William Poole was a leader of the American Republican Party. He was a well known political figure of his time. Thousands attended his funeral procession. Graham Wellington (talk) 03:31, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * He lived in Sussex until he was 11. The connection between his notability and Sussex County is not adequate for inclusion on a list of county notables. Alansohn (talk) 03:49, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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I have assessed this article as C-class and identified the following areas for improvement:  shirulashem     (talk)   17:22, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The article needs inline citations

Revision - June 2012
I started revising this article on 19 June. I would like to reorganize it into the following sections:
 * (1) Geology and Geography -- with sections on the physiographic provinces, the mountains, the watersheds, physical and political geography.
 * (2) History - a brief overview (this section has too much non-essential information) focusing on: (1) this area's prominence in dairy and grain farming, (2) the 18th-19th century iron mining and forge industry, (3) the 19th-20th century zinc mining industry, (4) settlement, colonial and early slavery (5) war participation (French and Indian, Revolutionary, Civil, WWI/WWII) (6) Camp Nordland rallies and the Kloprott trial, (7) the decline of the milk/dairy industry in the 1960s and the rise of bedroom communities since.
 * (3) Government and Politics - bare minimum, politics is aggrandizing so I'd like to avoid free advertisizing for the pols, and I would like to just mention who is in key offices, and the framework of the government.
 * (4) Economy -- existing sections cleaned up with sections on current agriculture (dairy, livestock, nursery/horticulture, horses, the 5 or 6 wineries, vegetable and fruit, etc.) and agri-tourism with cites to the USDA production statistics, the role of the bedroom community.
 * (5) Education -- Current schools, past closed important ones (Upsala College's wirth campus, Don Bosco)
 * (6) Section on demographics - religion figures, per capita income figures, households, average family size, labor force, etc.
 * (7) Recreation and Tourism
 * (8) References (9) Links, etc.

I would project that this article should have somewhere between 65-90 footnotes. Over the next few weeks, it is imperative to cite sources and backup claims.

The notable people's list, I'd like to move into a separate article.

Suggestions?/Comments?/Ideas? ColonelHenry (talk) 19:29, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

 * 1) *Practically the entire sections on "paleo-indians" and "european settlement" that were written before my beginning this revision are utter nonsense. I am removing them almost in their entirety.ColonelHenry (talk) 05:41, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

 * Thank you for updating this article. I suspect that the "notable people" will migrate back to the main page if you move it, because it seems to be one of the favorite edits for casual contributors : sports figures and entertainers mostly, and of course occasional vandals adding their own names or nicknames.  Everything else that you've edited looks good! —Jim Irwin (talk) 11:22, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Jim. I see the notable people list like lists of alumni on a college article. Sure it's nice to point out the nobel laureates, fields medal winners; but it ends up becoming a me-too list or a list of insignificant athletes and pop stars. If you see anything I miss or see something to tinker with or add, feel free let me know.  Citations coming. ;-)ColonelHenry (talk) 13:50, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Geographic location template
In going along with this revision, I am not entirely thrilled about the geographic location template in the adjacent counties subsection. It's a rather awkward template. I don't think it really enlightens anyone...it doesn't serve its purpose. I think a basic map would accomplish this task better, and that the current text list is sufficient. I don't see anything on the wikiprojects or guidelines that would mandate its inclusion. Sure this template is on thousands of pages, but I'm not convinced that it's useful here or anywhere else. It is my intention to remove this template for these reasons--but I'll hold off for a few days to hear from other editors whether they would support or object to removing this template. Thanks in advance.ColonelHenry (talk) 21:19, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I would vote to keep the template, and get rid of the list above it, which just repeats the same information. To my eye, the template looks slightly more compact than the list in terms of vertical space, but it is a close tie.  I'm neutral on the format, but do agree that one of them needs to go. — Jim Irwin (talk) 22:13, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not a giant fan of these geographic location templates. I wouldn't add them to an article, but I don't see any reason to remove it. They tend to interfere with infoboxes on the top right of articles, so often I move them down to the bottom of the article, but I'm not sure how this article would be affected. Net net, I'd leave it in. Alansohn (talk) 22:50, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * To JimIrwin and Alansohn: Would a map be a sufficient substitute? A map would depict the geographic reality in a more adequate and accurate fashion.  The oddity of a county that is shaped like a diamond.  If we used a map, the list and the template (neither of which adequately depict the geographic reality) could be eradicated. ColonelHenry (talk) 02:45, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikiproject U.S. Counties guidelines (which I loosely am paying attention to), suggests only a "list of contiguous counties"--Perhaps a brief explanatory paragraph (especially explaining the borders) would be better.ColonelHenry (talk) 03:02, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I tried something slightly different, tell me whether you guys like it or if I should revert it?ColonelHenry (talk) 03:47, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Photo Gallery
If I were to put a gallery of SC photos in the article (I would think 8-12 well chosen ones wouldn't be excessive)--any suggestions?ColonelHenry (talk) 03:06, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Things I'm likely not going to add to the article...and why
More will be added herewith as I weigh possibilities of what to include/exclude: (1) List of unincorporated towns/villages, etc. There are just too many. The county has roughly 150 active place names (some absolutely insignificant, others historically relevant). Then there are several places that have/had multiples names. It would be too confusing and too long. Wikipedia usually doesn't like unnecessary lists.ColonelHenry (talk) 03:10, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

history section reminders
List for association and as reminder to finish the section: --ColonelHenry (talk) 18:25, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Lenape/Indians: Woodland Period, earlier periods. Schrabisch, rock shelters, Minisink site.
 * French and Indian War
 * Revolution: Symmes 1774 Remonstrance, James Moody (loyalist), Moody's Raids, Moody's Rock, Muckshaw Swamps, Pulaski's Legion, Sullivan Campaign, Port Jervis/Mackhackemack, Battle of Minisink,
 * Civil War - Samuel Fowler, Copperheads, Hugh Judson Kilpatrick, 15th New Jersey Volunteers,
 * World War II - Camp Nordland, Fletcher and the hovercraft in Sparta.

-- ages ago there used to be good info in history section about the other wars, but it got deleted, probably accidentally, since the residue ended mid-sentence.

the history section first title mentions pre-lenape, but doesnt elaborate in the article. anything would help, e.g. about the prelenape layers along the delaware, and that schrabish didn't dig deep enough for those layers, and that the lenape themselves came east from the other side of the mississippi, etc.

nor is there any more any mention of early decker and the dutch from PA settlers of deckertown (sussex)(from whatever citation mentions that he was puzzled that those dutch companions of his preferred settling the mid-slopes while he preferred the lower lands there). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.191.19.160 (talk) 21:19, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

 * I am not familiar with earlier versions of the article, and have not gone through the history. The history section likely needs to be ceded to a soon to be created separate history article (i.e., "History of Sussex County, New Jersey") and the appropriate missing sections be discussed there.  I have other projects that have kept me from this.  I would need to summarize SC's history into two or three paragraphs and then ward off the article.  Decker doesn't figure much except to say "he was founder of Deckertown (now Sussex) where he settled c. 1730", I am not aware of his reasons for settling in the Sussex borough area rather than minisink/old mine road and ask you to point me to them.  As for the Lenape coming eastward across the Mississippi...those origins are discussed in the much discredited "Red Score" and the work of Rafinesque. I do not believe a protracted discussion of what better linguists and archaeologists have thrown out is not warranted here. --ColonelHenry (talk) 21:55, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Images needed
This list is mostly a reminder for me, but if anyone else acquires photos in the meantime, I'd appreciate it.--ColonelHenry (talk) 17:40, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Old Sussex County Courthouse, Newton, NJ.
 * Perhaps a picture of the new courthouse, old courthouse, and jail from Route 519/Mill Street Newton, for the Law enforcement section.
 * Picture of a current dairy farm or horse farm in the county.
 * Picture of a horticultural nursery in the county.
 * Sussex County Community College campus, preferably from Cty Rte 519.

Interesting facts to incorporate

 * for a nature section: SCNJ has the highest number of species (at 142) of dragonfly than any other county in North America.

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Polish Americans
It should also be noted that there is a large Polish-American population in Linden. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.70.64.159 (talk) 04:25, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

Update
I updated the page to reflect the 2007 Freeholders lineup and did a small edit on the governance section to clarify that the Freeholders do not have executive responsibility. Njsamizdat 19:44, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Without a county executive, the freeholders do have an executive function. Much of this is delegated to the County Manager, but is still the ultimate responsibility of the Board of Chosen Freeholders. Alansohn 20:16, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

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Language
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The Convair 990 Coronado is a retired American narrow-body four-engined jet airliner produced between 1961 and 1963 by the Convair division of American company General Dynamics. It was a stretched version of its earlier Convair 880 produced in response to a request from American Airlines: the 990 was lengthened by 10 ft, which increased the number of passengers from between 88 and 110 in the 880 to between 96 and 121. This was still fewer passengers than the contemporary Boeing 707 (110 to 189) or Douglas DC-8 (105 to 173), although the 990 was 25 - 35 mph faster than either in cruise.

Design and development
American Airlines asked Convair to design an aircraft for coast-to-coast flights, able to fly nonstop from New York City to Los Angeles against the wind. They wanted a larger passenger capacity than the Convair 880, which was the smallest of the first-generation U.S. jet airliners. The design was known as the Convair 600 and was redesignated the Convair 990 in the month of its first flight. The 990 began flight testing on January 24, 1961.

One change from the 880 was the large anti-shock bodies on the upper trailing edge of the wings, to increase the critical Mach by reducing transonic drag. The inboard shock bodies, which were larger, were also used for additional fuel tankage. Later during the design period, Convair modified the design to include fuel in the outboard pods as well, but during the initial test flights the extra weight caused the outboard engines to oscillate in certain conditions. The pods were redesigned once more and shortened by 28 inch, causing increased drag. The inner set of pods were used to route the fuel-dump tubes from the fuel tanks, terminating in a prominent outlet.

The engines were also changed to the uprated General Electric CJ-805-23s, which were unique in that they used a fan stage at the rear of the engines, compared to the fan stage at the front of the engine found on the Pratt & Whitney JT3D that powered the 990's competitors. The engine was a simplified, non-afterburning civil version of the J79, used in supersonic military aircraft. Like most versions of the J79, the CJ805 and CJ805-23 were smoky, although secondary operator Spantax eventually had their engines refitted with low-smoke combustion chambers in the 1970s.

Like the 880, 990s incorporated a dorsal "raceway" added to the top of the fuselage to house the two ADF antennas and one VHF antenna.

Operational history
The 990 did not meet the specifications promised, and American Airlines reduced its order as a result. The 990A was developed by adding fairings to the engine nacelles, among other changes. Despite the modifications from the basic 880 and those in response to drag problems in testing, the aircraft never lived up to its promise of coast-to-coast nonstop capability from JFK to LAX. American Airlines' timetables show little or no difference in scheduled time between 707 and 990A flights. AA began to dispose of its 990As in 1967.

During May 1961, one of the pre-production 990 aircraft, while demonstrating the margin between its operating speed and its capability during a dive at .97 Mach from 32,000 ft to 22,500 ft, reached 675 mph at an altitude of 22000 ft: the fastest true airspeed ever attained by a commercial jet transport at that time. However, in level flight the maximum speed, 0.84 Mn, was less than that guaranteed to American Airlines, 0.89 Mn, because the drag levels with the anti-shock bodies were much higher than predicted. A drag reduction program was instituted during which streamlining of the engine pylon/wing interface and addition of nacelle fairings achieved 0.89 Mn.

In 1963, the 990A was reported to burn 13,750 lbs per hour of fuel at 0.84 Mach at 35,000 ft at a mass of 200,000 lb. In contrast, a modern Boeing 737 MAX 8 typically carries 162 passengers and burns 4,460 lb per hour at 0.78 Mach at sub-optimal parameters.

Swissair bought eight 990As beginning in 1962, operating them on long-distance routes to South America, West Africa, the Middle and Far East, as well as on European routes with heavy traffic. Their fleet was withdrawn from service in 1975. Scandinavian Airlines (SAS) also operated 990A Coronados on their long-haul schedules to Tokyo and other destinations in the Far East and also to South America and Africa.

The 990's niche was soon captured by the Boeing 720 and Boeing 720B, derivatives of the Boeing 707, and later by the Boeing 727. By the time the assembly line shut down in 1963, only 37 990s had been produced, bringing General Dynamics' entire production of commercial jet airliners to 102 airframes. The failure of airlines to broadly accept the Convair 880 and 990 led Convair's parent company, General Dynamics, to suffer one of the largest corporate losses in history. As a result, Convair exited the jet airliner business, although it later built fuselages for McDonnell Douglas, specifically for the DC-10, KC-10 and MD-11.

When the major airlines retired their Convair 990s, they found a second life on charter airlines. Spantax of Spain had a large fleet until the mid-1980s, as did Denver Ports of Call. In 1967, Alaska Airlines purchased Convair 990 PP-VJE from Varig, and operated it as N987AS in scheduled airline service until 1975.

Variants

 * 600 : Designation used for conception, design and build of first aircraft.
 * 990 : Initial production version.
 * 990A : Higher cruising speed and longer range.

Operators

 * Aerolíneas Peruanas S.A.* - Aerolineas Peruanas operated two Convair 990As from Callao International Airport, Lima.
 * Air Afrique
 * Air Ceylon
 * Air France (one aircraft leased in 1967)
 * Alaska Airlines
 * American Airlines*
 * Aerovías Ecuatorianas
 * Balair (leased from Swissair)
 * Ciskei International Airways- no revenue flights made
 * Christ is the Answer (leased from Galaxy Airlines)- no revenue flights made
 * Denver Ports of Call
 * El Al Israel Airlines
 * Galaxy Airlines
 * Garuda Indonesian Airways*
 * Ghana Airways (leased from Swissair)
 * Iberia Líneas Aéreas de España (leased from Spantax)
 * Internord Aviation
 * Lebanese International Airways
 * Middle East Airlines
 * Modern Air Transport
 * NASA
 * Nomads Travel Club
 * Nordair
 * Northeast Airlines
 * Paradise 1000 Travel Club (leased from Modern Air Transport)
 * Scandinavian Airlines System*
 * Spantax
 * Swissair*
 * Thai Airways International (leased from Scandinavian Airlines System)
 * VARIG*

*Original operators.

Accidents and incidents

 * May 28, 1968: Garuda Indonesian Airways Flight 892, a Convair 990 (PK-GJA), crashed minutes after takeoff from Bombay-Santacruz Airport, killing all 29 passengers and crew on board. One fatality also occurred on the ground.
 * January 5, 1970: A Spantax Convair 990 (EC-BNM) crashed at Stockholm-Arlanda Airport outside Stockholm, Sweden while taking off on a three-engine ferry flight to Zürich, Switzerland, killing five of seven passengers; the three crew members survived.
 * February 21, 1970: Swissair Flight 330 crashed near Würenlingen, Switzerland while trying to return to Zurich International Airport after a bomb detonated in the aft cargo compartment, killing all nine crew and 38 passengers. The aircraft was also carrying a significant amount of mail, some of which survived the crash.
 * August 8, 1970: A Modern Air Transport Convair 990 (N5603) was being ferried from New York to Acapulco when it crashed on approach to Alvarez International Airport, Mexico. No one was killed, but one of the eight crew was badly injured.
 * December 3, 1972: Spantax Flight 275, a Convair 990 (EC-BZR), crashed at Los Rodeos Airport on Tenerife while taking off in almost-zero visibility, killing all seven crew and 148 passengers.
 * March 5, 1973: Spantax Flight 400, a Convair 990 on a flight from Madrid to London, was involved in a mid-air collision with Iberia Flight 504, a McDonnell Douglas DC-9, over Nantes. The Convair 990 lost part of its left wing, but its pilots managed to land safely at Cognac – Châteaubernard Air Base. The DC-9 crashed, killing all 68 passengers and crew on board.
 * April 12, 1973: A U.S. Navy Lockheed P-3C (157332) operating from NAS Moffett Field in Sunnyvale, California collided with a NASA Convair 990 (N711NA) during approach to runway 32R. The aircraft crashed on the Sunnyvale Municipal Golf Course, half a mile short of the runway, resulting in the destruction of both aircraft and the deaths of all aboard except for one Navy crewman.
 * July 17, 1985: A NASA Convair 990 (N712NA) suffered a blown tire during take-off at a speed of around 140 knots (259 km/h) at Riverside-March AFB, California. While attempting to clear the runway, the rim shattered and caused a puncture of the right-wing fuel tank forward of the right main gear. All 19 occupants survived, but the subsequent intense fire destroyed the plane, its equipment and documentation.

Preserved aircraft

 * 30-10-2 – N990AB – Aircraft (retired registration numbers N990AB, OB-R-765) been in storage since 1980 with Scroggins Aviation at the Mojave Air and Space Port in Mojave, California. This aircraft was formerly operated by Aérolíneas Peruanas.
 * 30-10-12 – HB-ICC – Aircraft on display at the Swiss Museum of Transport in Lucerne, Switzerland. This aircraft was formerly operated by Swissair.
 * 30-10-18 – EC-BZP – Forward fuselage preserved at Sabadell Airport in Sabadell, Spain for cabin crew training. This aircraft was formerly operated by Spantax.
 * 30-10-29 – N810NA – Aircraft (retired registration numbers N810NA, N5617) on display as a gate guardian at Mojave Air and Space Port in Mojave, California. This aircraft was formerly operated by American Airlines, Modern Air Transport and NASA.
 * 30-10-30 – EC-BZO – Aircraft (retired registration numbers EC-BZO, N5618) in storage at Palma de Mallorca Airport in Palma, Majorca since 1987. This aircraft was formerly operated by Spantax.

Formerly preserved, scrapped

 * 30-10-5 – N990AC – Cockpit (retired registration numbers N990AC, OB-R-728) that was stored in a scrapyard in Tucson, Arizona has been scrapped and turned into luggage tags.

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Thomas Rowlandson (13 July 1757 – 21 April 1827) was an English artist and caricaturist of the Georgian Era, noted for his political satire and social observation. A prolific artist and printmaker, Rowlandson produced both individual social and political satires, as well as a large number of illustrations for novels, humorous books, and topographical works. Like other caricaturists of his age such as James Gillray, his caricatures are often robust or bawdy. Rowlandson also produced highly explicit erotica for a private clientele; this was never published publicly at the time and is now only found in a small number of collections. His caricatures included those of people in power such as the Duchess of Devonshire, William Pitt the Younger and Napoleon Bonaparte.

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Rowlandson was born in Old Jewry, in the City of London. He was baptised on 23 July 1757 at St Mary Colechurch, London to William and Mary Rowlandson. The baptismal record for St Mary, now in the London archives, clearly gives his birth-date as 13 July 1757, not 1756 as given in most earlier biographies. His father, William, had been a weaver, but had moved into trading supplies for the textile industry and after overextending himself was declared bankrupt in 1759. Life became difficult for William in London and, in late 1759, he moved his family to Richmond, North Yorkshire. Thomas's uncle James died in 1764, and his widow Jane probably provided both the funds and accommodation which allowed Thomas to attend school in London.

Rowlandson was educated at the school of Dr Cuthbert Barwis at 8 Soho Square, then "an academy of some celebrity," where one of his classmates was Richard Burke, son of the politician Edmund Burke. As a schoolboy, Rowlandson "drew characters of his master and many of his scholars before he was ten years old," covering the margins of his schoolbooks with his artwork.

In 1765 or 1766 he started at the Soho Academy. There is no documentary evidence that Rowlandson took drawing classes at the mainly business-oriented school, but it seems likely, as on leaving school in 1772, he became a student at the Royal Academy. According to his obituary of 22 April 1827 in The Gentleman's Magazine, Rowlandson was sent to Paris at the age of 16 (1772), and spent two years studying in a "drawing academy." there. In Paris he studied drawing "the human figure" and continued developing his youthful skill in caricature. It was on his return to London that he took classes at the Royal Academy, then based at Somerset House.

Rowlandson spent six years studying at the Royal Academy, but about a third of this time was spent in Paris where he may have studied under Jean-Baptiste Pigalle. He later made frequent tours to the Continent, enriching his portfolios with numerous sketches of life and character. In 1775 he exhibited a drawing of Dalilah Payeth Sampson a Visit while in Prison at Gaza at the Royal Academy and two years later received a silver medal for a bas-relief figure. He was spoken of as a promising student. On the death of his aunt, he inherited £7,000 with which he plunged into the dissipations of the town and was known to sit at the gaming-table for 36 hours at a stretch.

In time poverty overtook him; and the friendship and examples of James Gillray and Henry William Bunbury seem to have suggested caricature as a means of earning a living. His drawing of Vauxhall, shown in the Royal Academy exhibition of 1784, had been engraved by Pollard, and the print was a success. Rowlandson was largely employed by Rudolph Ackermann, the art publisher, who in 1809—issued in his Poetical Magazine The Schoolmaster's Tour—a series of plates with illustrative verses by Dr. William Combe. They were the most popular of the artist's works. Again engraved by Rowlandson himself in 1812, and issued under the title of the Tour of Dr Syntax in Search of the Picturesque, they had attained a fifth edition by 1813, and were followed in 1820 by Dr Syntax in Search of Consolation, and in 1821 by the Third Tour of Dr Syntax in Search of a Wife. He also produced a body of erotic prints and woodcuts. The same collaboration of designer, author and publisher appeared in the English Dance of Death, issued in 1814–16 and in the Dance of Life, 1817. Rowlandson also illustrated Smollett, Goldsmith and Sterne, and his designs will be found in The Spirit of the Public Journals (1825), The English Spy (1825), and The Humorist (1831).

Rowlandson's designs were usually done in outline with the reed-pen, and delicately washed with colour. They were then etched by the artist on the copper, and afterwards aquatinted—usually by a professional engraver, the impressions being finally coloured by hand. As a designer he was characterised by his facility and ease of draughtsmanship. He dealt less frequently with politics than his fierce contemporary, Gillray, but commonly touching, in a rather gentle spirit, the various aspects and incidents of social life. His most artistic work is to be found among the more careful drawings of his earlier period; but even among the exaggerated caricature of his later time we find hints that this master of the humorous might have attained to the beautiful had he so willed.

His work included a personification of the United Kingdom named John Bull who was developed from about 1790 in conjunction with other British satirical artists such as Gillray and George Cruikshank. He also produced many works depicting the characters involved in election campaigns and race meetings. However, his satirical works of London's street life such as the "pleasure gardens at Vauxhall, jostling with soldiers, students, tarts and society beauties", which exhibit acute social observation and commentary are amongst his finest.

Rowlandson's caricatures include those on the medical profession which developed through his friendship with John Wolcot around 1778. He also earned money illustrating books of physicians and quacks. Later in life, he also produced caricatures on medical themes.

His patron and friend Matthew Michell collected hundreds of his paintings which Michell displayed at his country residence, Grove House in Enfield, Middlesex. After Michell's death his nephew, Sir Henry Onslow, sold the contents of Grove House at an eight-day sale in November 1818. One of the best-known of Rowlandson's paintings is "Hengar House the seat of Matthw [sic] Mitchell Esqr., Cornwall" (1812) which was sold at the Sir Richard Onslow sale, Sotheby's, 15 July 1959. Another of Rowlandson's paintings is "Glorious Defeat of the Dutch Navy Octr 10 1797, by Admirals Lord Duncan and Sir Richard Onslow, with a View Drawn on the Spot of the Six Dutch Line of Battle Ships Captured and Brought into Yarmouth" (1797). Rowlandson also painted early scenes of Brighton where Michell's sister, Lady Anne Onslow, lived after the death of her husband Sir Richard Onslow, 1st Baronet. Rowlandson's painting "Mr Michell's Picture Gallery at Grove House, Enfild" was sold by Sotheby's, London, on 4 July 2002.

Rowlandson died at his lodgings at 1 James Street, Adelphi, London, after a prolonged illness, on 21 April 1827. He was buried at St Paul's, Covent Garden on 28 April 1827 aged 69 years. Some authors have suggested that his housekeeper Betsy Winter who inherited his belongings was his mistress but this has been rejected by others.

Works

 * Cupids Magick Lantern Etchings for a work by George Moutard Woodward, 1797–98
 * Horse accomplishments Etchings for a work by George Moutard Woodward, 1797–98
 * Matrimonial Comforts (series of eight sketches) c. 1799
 * Le Brun Travestied or Caricatures of the Passions Etchings for a work by George Moutard Woodward, 1800
 * The Schoolmaster's Tour, accompanied by verses by William Combe (published in the new Poetical Magazine) 1809–11
 * Tour of Dr. Syntax in Search of the Picturesque, 1812
 * The Second Tour of Dr. Syntax in Search of Consolation,  1820
 * The Third Tour of Dr. Syntax in Search of a Wife,  1821
 * The English Dance of Death, 1815–16
 * The Dance of Life, 1816–17
 * Characteristic Sketches of the Lower Orders (series of sketches), 1820
 * An Essay on the Art of Ingeniously Tormenting (sc Thomas Rowlandson), 1808
 * Chesterfield Travestied, or School for Modern Manners (sc Thomas Rowlandson), 1808

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Talk:Guadalupe County, New Mexico

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Talk:Harding County, New Mexico

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