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Talk:Dukes County, Massachusetts

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The accurate legal name is the County of Dukes County. This page should be altered to reflect that. There is no place called Dukes County in Massachusetts. A quick perusal of official government sites will show this.

 * According to the County's own website, the law creating the county required it to be named "Dukes County". Of course there is a place called "Dukes County." The county's official explanation for the redundancy has never held water. It has always sought to explain the existence of the second "County" in "The County Of Dukes County" by citing the law creating the county. This is a red herring. The real question is why "The County Of ..." is pre-pended to the legally prescribed name. There is no law requiring it. If the law specifying the name is not valid, then the official explanation is without basis. If the law specifying the name is valid, then there needs to be an explanation of why the law is violated by prepending "The County Of ..." The usual explanations for the redundancy either miss the point, by attempting to explain the legally-required wording instead of the redundancy in the prefix; or by citing the law, not to explain the name specified in the law, but rather to explain why the name is not as specified by the law. The whole explanation for the redundancy is absurd, undermined by its own explanation.

 * While this is probably moot as regards the page name, given the "common names" principle, I'm curious as to why it has this name, officially or otherwise? From the same people who brought us the Department of Redundancy Department?  Alai 17:58, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Such redundancy is certainly unusual for a county, but parallels municipalities having "City" in the plain name (e.g., the City of Atlantic City in New Jersey).

A clue to the redundancy can be found by examining the wording of the Acts establishing the various Counties. In all other cases, only the plain name is mentioned: Suffolk, Middlesex, Hampshire, and so on. So following a pattern strictly, the word "County" must appear again when mentioning the formal name of the government.

 * There is no requirement to follow a pattern strictly. The act creating the county says that the name is Dukes County. Adding "County of" in front of it is not required by the act, in fact, it violates the act. There is no good reason for the redundancy, and the County's official publications on the subject do not provide any good reason. Strictly following the pattern is neither justified nor necessary. It is, simply put, redundant. It's a curiosity, but it's not based on the act that created the county. It's based on the hobgoblin of foolish consistenty, when the acts creating the counties are not consistent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.68.134.1 (talk) 20:32, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

As in England, an unadorned county name was considered sufficient to designate an area. On legal documents, only the plain name of the county appears, followed by the abbreviation "ss." which seems to represent the term "Scilicet", translated variously as "witness" (imperative or subjunctive), "witnesseth", or "to wit". Example: Suffolk, ss.  On the Vineyard, the usage is: Dukes County, ss.

"Dukes" is alone among county names in being somewhat descriptive. Franklin is named after a person, and Hampden appears to be made up. All the rest take either the name of a town within the original county boundaries, or else the name of an English county. Perhaps there is some sense that "Dukes", seemingly possessive, needs an actual noun after it.

Among inhabitants of the Vineyard, there seems to be a certain pride in the uniqueness the redundancy confers.

Changing the name of the page to "County of Dukes County" would imply the need for other pages to become "County of Suffolk", "County of Middlesex", and so on. It is probably better to consider that "once is enough" in this single case.

Monomoit 01:06, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Poverty?
How could there be poor people in such an expensive place to live, do they have subsidized housing?

 * They have to have some cheap housing, even if it's not subsidized, because they need store clerks, garbagemen, restaurant workers, and the like. It's not feasible to commute to an island. Bostoner (talk) 02:49, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Government? Demographics?
Why is there a section on demographics in an article on a county when it's in a state with weak government and weak county identity? Isn't this covered under the constituent towns? And why isn't there a section on county government? Bostoner (talk) 02:49, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

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Map request
It would be nice if there were an interior map showing the municipalities and other entities of interest which are internal or adjacent to to the county. -- Beland 02:30, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Link added to a Massachusetts government map of cities and towns. See external links. Yellowdesk 00:16, 8 October 2006 (UTC)!
 * The map showing the county within the state shows the county shape in red, but has no outline of the state of Massachusetts. Perhaps the state outline could be added. I am viewing this article on a mobile phone. - - Prairieplant (talk) 21:36, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Not totally accurate
It's not totally accurate to say that Essex County "continues to exist as a historic geographic area." It also plays the role of a state judicial (court) district. Bostoner (talk) 03:23, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The historical intro is too brief to be any good. Counties originated in the judicial system. Our main ref, the 4-volume work, Arrington, is a good one, but apparently no one cared to do a decent write-up from it. I plan to see what I can do. I anticipate writing enough to fill out the blank space there, so it can stay for the moment.Branigan 00:43, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Removed non-encyclopedic addition to the demographics
"In 2006, Essex County received the dubious honor of being named number one on Forbes Magazine's list of most overpriced places to live in the U.S. The magazine cited high living costs and expensive real estate as the major reasons Essex County was picked over cities with higher mean real estate values (San Diego, New York, Honolulu.)"

Sounds a bit bitter. I don't blame the editor for being bitter, but I insist it must be kept out of WP. If life is a sea of sorrow, the intellect must find a way to ride over it like a cork. This reply as well as the paragraph is actually non-encyclopedic. WP knows no dubious honors, nor any overpricing. This is the pure land, here. Real estate is not expensive. Moreover, we aren't interested in the momentary economic fluctuations that happen to Essex county. And finally, do you think you are telling us something we don't know? What, you want sympathy? So don't we all. We don't need a Wikipedia economist to tell us prices are high. And finally, there is no ref except "Forbes Magazine." Mr. Forbes wants to get richer by telling us how poor we are. Life is nothing without paradoxes.Branigan 00:43, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Cities, towns, etc
An attempt was made to list subordinate places, such as "villages." I first noticed that quite a few major subordinate places were missing. I thought I would find a full list and put that in. Here is what I discovered. Definitions by the Census Bureau and the state are in a state of flux. There is no stable list of definitions. Unfortunately these changing circumstances mean that there is no permanent truth for WP to report. So, articles on the topic have become for the most part obsolete, but because they are, they have been abandoned by the editors. Second, the list of possible subordinate places is very large. The northern Essex district site maintains an index of local names many pages in length. On what basis shall we select names for WP? Not only that, but just since I started working on this article, some of these sites have gone dead, presumably for updating. My judgement for this article is that the local places are best left off the list of cities and towns. That list is fairly stable. The only change not encompassed by WP is that of Amesbury from town to city. For a while the web sites and WP led us to believe Amesbury though a city preferred to be called a town. That hogwash could only have been a temporary figment. it is calling itself a city now. So, I am simplifying this list to the cities and towns, which are actually incorporated.Branigan 10:25, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

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Knob on bottom
I have always wondered what the story was behind the knob jutting out along the southern border of this county. Obviously, when they were drawing the line, someone wanted that bit of land to be part of Massachusetts. What was the reason? WHo was behind it? Kingturtle 21:52, 16 May 2004 (UTC) Reposting Kingturtle (talk) 17:33, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * A brief summary can be found here. The references listed should give you more details if you want to dig deeper. It's basically the result of a compromise agreement due to a border dispute. --Polaron | Talk 17:49, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Kingturtle (talk) 18:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

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Map errors
The map is incorrect, in that the towns of Brookline and Cohasset, which are part of Norfolk County, aren't marked in red. In fact, Cohasset's not on the map at all - it looks like it's fallen into the ocean. Can anything be done? AJD 07:44, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * Wow, it's taken a long time, but ... I've updated the map. Brookline was easy enough, as its borders were indicated on the map, though it wasn't colored in; Cohasset didn't seem to be indicated, so I just did my best based on other maps.  Improvements are welcome. --Jfruh 18:27, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks! But: That's not actually Brookline. This is the fault of the lines on the map, not your fault, of course, but that little zone that you colored in actually contains both Brookline (part of Norfolk County) and Allston/Brighton (part of Suffolk County). The Suffolk County map doesn't get this right either. And as for Cohasset, well—what you've colored in is part of Hingham. Cohasset is Not On the Map. Fallen into the ocean. The boundaries of Plymouth County (containing Hingham) are right, but Cohasset is missing. AJD 18:41, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm, well, can you point me to a high-res better map? --Jfruh 19:46, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * You mean like these? The link is to the official town and county maps put out by the Mass. state gov't. AJD 19:53, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that'll do. I'll try to redo the maps in the next few days.  --Jfruh 20:23, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * FTR, we now have a 2006 map from Commons user David Benbennick, which seems to be correct. -- Beland (talk) 02:58, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Per capita income
This page reports a per capita income of 32k+ while the value in the link is 53k+. I am assuming the 32k value is simply out of date? In any case one should be corrected/updated if the correct value can be found. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.33.111.74 (talk) 14:48, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * says $32,484 for 1999, from the 2000 census, which is exactly what the article is reporting. I'm not sure what source you were looking at. actually says $48,286 for 2000, though I'm not sure if that's been adjusted for inflation. -- Beland (talk) 03:17, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Expansion question
How did Cohasset become separated from the rest of the county? -- Beland 03:04, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * This is now explained in the article. -- Beland (talk) 03:05, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

History
I hope somebody can enter from where Norfolk county came. Sources say formed in 1793. Was it cut out of Suffolk County? 76.102.31.185 (talk) 03:00, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Norfolk County
Other Wiki sources state that it was originally incorporated in 1643, to cover all communities in the Massachusetts Bay Colony located north of suffolk county. 76.218.100.214 (talk) 21:56, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Why original Norfolk County not recognized?
I have ancestors with vitals pointing there, so why is the history section not corrected with the information in the above section "Norfolk County"? 76.218.100.214 (talk) 21:56, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Boundary history details
http://historical-county.newberry.org/website/Massachusetts/viewer.htm http://historical-county.newberry.org/website/Massachusetts/documents/MA_Individual_County_Chronologies.htm#NORFOLK

 * NORFOLK (original, extinct)
 * 10 May 1643 NORFOLK (original, extinct) created as one of four original counties in Massachusetts; NORFOLK included territory in Massachusetts and the New Hampshire settlements. (Mass. Recs., 2:38)
 * 18 Sep 1679 NORFOLK (original, extinct) was eliminated when King Charles II made New Hampshire a royal colony separate from Massachusetts. (Swindler, 6:322; Van Zandt, 61)

 * NORFOLK (selected -- see source for complete)
 * 20 Jun 1793 NORFOLK created from SUFFOLK. (Mass. Acts 1793, ch. 43, sec. 1/p. 272 and ch. 9, sec. 1/p. 314)
 * 22 Jun 1797 NORFOLK exchanged with MIDDLESEX when town of Natick exchanged with town of Needham. (Mass. Acts 1797, ch. 22, sec. 1/p. 142)
 * 08 Feb 1798 NORFOLK lost small strip to PLYMOUTH when town of Bridgewater gained from town of Stoughton [not mapped]. (Mass. Acts 1798, ch. 10, sec. 1/p. 164)
 * 06 Mar 1804 NORFOLK lost to SUFFOLK when Boston gained South Boston from Dorchester. (Mass. Acts 1804, ch. 45, sec. 1/p. 412)
 * 03 Mar 1829 NORFOLK exchanged with MIDDLESEX when town of Holliston gained from town of Medway. (Mass. Acts 1829, ch. 125/p. 200 and ch. 133/p. 209)
 * 25 Mar 1834 NORFOLK lost to SUFFOLK when Boston gained Thompson Island from Dorchester. (Mass. Acts 1834, ch. 102/p. 129)
 * 23 Apr 1838 NORFOLK gained from MIDDLESEX when town of Roxbury gained from town of Newton. (Mass. Acts 1838, ch. 167, sec. 1/p. 481)
 * 06 Jan 1868 NORFOLK lost to SUFFOLK when Boston gained all of Roxbury. (Mass. Acts 1867, ch. 359, sec. 1/p. 754)
 * 03 Jan 1870 NORFOLK lost to SUFFOLK when Boston gained all of Dorchester. (Mass. Acts 1869, ch. 349, sec. 1/p. 646)
 * 07 Mar 1872 NORFOLK exchanged small areas with WORCESTER when town of Bellingham exchanged with town of Mendon. (Mass. Acts 1872, ch. 69, sec. 1/p. 57)
 * 12 Apr 1872 NORFOLK lost small area to SUFFOLK when Boston gained Mt. Hope Cemetery from town of West Roxbury [change too small to display on interactive map; shapefile users see small_changes 1872_pt. for location]. (Mass. Acts 1872, ch. 197, sec. 1/p. 143)
 * 05 Jan 1874 NORFOLK lost to SUFFOLK when Boston gained West Roxbury. (Mass. Acts 1873, ch. 286, sec. 1/p. 716, ch. 303, sec. 1/p. 747, and ch. 314, sec. 1/p. 810)
 * 01 Jan 1912 NORFOLK lost to SUFFOLK when Boston gained all of Hyde Park. (Mass. Acts 1911, ch. 469, sec. 1/p. 450 and ch. 583, sec. 1/p. 600)
 * 23 Mar 1928 Boundary between NORFOLK and PLYMOUTH was adjusted when line between towns of Hingham and Cohasset was adjusted [no discernible change]. (Mass. Acts 1928, ch. 160, sec. 1/p. 184)

-96.237.8.174 (talk) 21:33, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

The towns included in the new Norfolk County should be identified
It makes it very difficult to do genealogy when these articles are so vague. A list or map would be great. For example, was Medfield in Suffix County when absorbed? 2602:304:CDA6:51B0:ED:7FCF:42C9:4B07 (talk) 02:58, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Basic information missing
Time and time again I consult a Wikipedia article to answer the simplest of questions and time and again it fails.

I need to know how many municipalities there are in Norfolk County. Unbelievably, this article doesn't say.

At the risk of being obvious, a) add that fact, and b) state it in at least two places—in the first paragraph of the article, and in the inset at top right. Isn't it arguably about the first fact that should be in an inset about a county?

(I am not looking for the reply: "But the article has a table numbered 1 to 28."  It is a table of other data. Moreover, the rows numbered 1 to 28 are interspersed with rows having a blank ranking, vitiating that column as an integral expression of the number of municipalities.)

So to repeat: In the first paragraph of the article, add e.g.:  "Norfolk County comprises xx municipalities." And in the inset, add "No. of municipalities: xx".

Jimlue (talk) 23:39, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, that's an interesting complaint I thought someone should look into. It turns out Template:Infobox U.S. county doesn't even have a parameter for "number of municipalities". It looks like U.S. county article intros actually generally do not explicitly give a number, but instead expect readers who want to answer this question to count the entries in a list of cities or towns or whatever the local municipal forms are. Given that this article does have that numbered table listing which excludes CDPs from the count, the answer to your question should be obvious from that table: 28. You can also easily sort that table by type to count the number of cities and towns separately.
 * It's possible the reason the infobox doesn't have a parameter for the number is that counties across the United States vary widely in how local government is constituted. Massachusetts is unusual in that all of its land is incorporated at a single level of municipal government, but there are many counties with unincorporated communities, which some editors might feel should be counted. Many states have municipalities that are included inside other municipalities, whether that's civil townships between the county and city level, or towns and hamlets inside cities or overlapping in various ways. Would you count only townships (which are often unremarkable) because they might fill the entire county, or also or only count the cities or towns that some of them contain? New York City is divided into multiple counties, so would the number there be a fraction? It does seem like just giving readers a list of the various types made explicit covers all this complexity, and does not trouble them too much in answering questions like yours.
 * If you feel strongly U.S. county articles should include one or more municipality counts, you could try to achieve consensus for some solution to this complexity at Template talk:Infobox U.S. county. It would of course then be a large effort to count the municipalities in over 3,000 counties and equivalents according to whatever rules achieve consensus. It would also not be unreasonable to add "has X As, Y Bs, and Z Cs" to the prose in each county-equivalent's introduction. Not sure why that's not general practice; perhaps editors generally de facto feel this exact number isn't important to mention unless the number of municipalities is very small? -- Beland (talk) 03:44, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Fluff
"It is the fourth most populous county in the United States whose county seat is neither a city nor a borough, and it is the second most populous county that has a county seat at a town." It's really a stretch to consider either of these to be noteworthy. The technicalities of the numerous forms of municipalities is really getting down into the weeds of irrelevant technicalities. The definitions of "city" and "town" vary widely from state to state, and thus any comparisons drawn have little or no validity. And there are no "boroughs" in Massachusetts. Also, these absurd and trivial claims have no supporting citation, so I plan to delete them on that basis alone. 174.196.195.2 (talk) 15:57, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Is Suffolk County, New York the most populated whom County seat is a town?
In the desc, it states "second most populous county who's seat is a town" I'm guessing its Suffolk County, NY who is #1? 69.122.240.116 (talk) 00:14, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

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Accord, Massachusetts
I can't find Accord being mentioned as a part of Hingham. By clicking on it, the wikipedia page redirects to Norwell. There is no mention there either. I'm therefore deleting it. If it is in fact part of Hingham, please source something and reinsert.Coemgenv (talk) 19:22, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Suffolk County, Massachusetts

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The league of Women Voters IS NOT a MassGov website. Raj Fra 03:56, 3 March 2006 (UTC)Raj_Fra

Origin
Might something be mentioned about the nature of the origin of the names and how they are arranged typically in England compared to that in Massachusetts? Marv101 (talk) 00:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Boundary history details
http://historical-county.newberry.org/website/Massachusetts/viewer.htm http://historical-county.newberry.org/website/Massachusetts/documents/MA_Individual_County_Chronologies.htm#SUFFOLK

 * SUFFOLK (selected -- see source for complete)
 * 10 May 1643 SUFFOLK created as one of four original counties in Massachusetts; SUFFOLK included territory in the northeast corner of present Rhode Island. (Mass. Recs., 2:38)
 * 08 Jul 1663 SUFFOLK lost to Rhode Island Colony when King Charles II granted Rhode Island a charter as a self-governing corporate colony and defined its boundaries; SUFFOLK eliminated from Rhode Island. (Bowen, Disputes, 33; Swindler, 8:368)
 * May 1664 SUFFOLK lost to New Plymouth Colony when a joint commission from Massachusetts and Plymouth demarcated their mutual boundary ("Old Colony Line"). (Bradford, 427 n.)
 * 27 Feb 1665 [27 February 1664/1665] SUFFOLK gained from Rhode Island Colony when royal commissioners set the provincial boundaries of Massachusetts, New Plymouth, and Rhode Island along the Blackstone River and the east side of Narragansett Bay, pending a conclusive royal decision. (Arnold, 1:315)
 * 15 Mar 1690 [15 March 1689/1690] SUFFOLK gained non-county area in Connecticut when Massachusetts created the town of Woodstock. Woodstock lay almost entirely within present Connecticut, the result of uncertain geographical knowledge and disagreement over the line between the two colonies. (Bowen, Disputes, 53-58; Bowen, Woodstock, 1:31)
 * 07 Oct 1691 SUFFOLK continued under the new Massachusetts Bay provincial charter issued by King William III and Queen Mary II [no change]. (Mass. Col. Acts, vol. 1, ch. 27 [1692-1693], sec. 1/p. 63; Swindler, 5:80)
 * 18 Mar 1712 [18 March 1711/1712] The "Old Colony Line" that divided Massachusetts and New Plymouth when they were separate colonies was declared the boundary separating SUFFOLK from BRISTOL and PLYMOUTH [no change]. (Mass. Col. Acts, vol. 21, ch. 152 [1711]/p. 799)
 * 10 Jul 1731 SUFFOLK lost to creation of WORCESTER; SUFFOLK eliminated from Connecticut. (Mass. Col. Acts, vol. 2, ch. 8 [1730-1731], sec. 1/p. 584)
 * 17 Feb 1747 [17 February 1746/1747] SUFFOLK lost to PROVIDENCE (R.I.) when Rhode Island implemented the 1746 royal settlement of the boundary with Massachusetts; SUFFOLK eliminated from Rhode Island. (Arnold, 2:157; R. I. Recs., 5:207-209)
 * 20 Jun 1793 SUFFOLK lost to creation of NORFOLK. (Mass. Acts 1793, ch. 43, sec. 1/p. 272 and ch. 9, sec. 1/p. 314)
 * 18 Jun 1803 SUFFOLK lost towns of Hingham and Hull to PLYMOUTH. (Mass. Acts 1803, ch. 14, sec. 1/p. 246)
 * 06 Mar 1804 SUFFOLK gained from NORFOLK when Boston gained from Dorchester. (Mass. Acts 1804, ch. 45, sec. 1/p. 412)
 * 25 Mar 1834 SUFFOLK gained from NORFOLK when Boston gained Thompson Island from Dorchester. (Mass. Acts 1834, ch. 102/p. 129)
 * 22 Feb 1841 SUFFOLK lost to ESSEX when town of Saugus gained from town of Chelsea. (Mass. Acts 1841, ch. 30, sec. 1/p. 350)
 * 06 Jan 1868 SUFFOLK gained from NORFOLK when Boston gained all of Roxbury. (Mass. Acts 1867, ch. 359, sec. 1/p. 754)
 * 03 Jan 1870 SUFFOLK gained from NORFOLK when Boston gained all of Dorchester. (Mass. Acts 1869, ch. 349, sec. 1/p. 646)
 * 12 Apr 1872 SUFFOLK gained small area from NORFOLK when Boston gained Mt. Hope Cemetery from town of West Roxbury [change too small to display on interactive map; shapefile users see small_changes 1872_pt. for location]. (Mass. Acts 1872, ch. 197, sec. 1/p. 143)
 * 05 Jan 1874 SUFFOLK gained from MIDDLESEX and NORFOLK when Boston gained all of Brighton, Charlestown, and West Roxbury. (Mass. Acts 1873, ch. 286, sec. 1/p. 716, ch. 303, sec. 1/p. 747, and ch. 314, sec. 1/p. 810)
 * 01 Jan 1912 SUFFOLK gained from NORFOLK when Boston gained all of Hyde Park. (Mass. Acts 1911, ch. 469, sec. 1/p. 450 and ch. 583, sec. 1/p. 600)

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Communities?
This article is not clear as to which communities are in the county. According to Category:Cities in Suffolk County, Massachusetts, they are Boston, Chelsea, Revere, and Winthrop, Any reason not to add this to the article?--agr (talk) 09:02, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I found a better source and will add to the article.--agr (talk) 14:06, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

School districts
Hi! In regard to this edit, I understand that school district boundaries in many places in Massachusetts are just the municipal boundary. The reason why I started a school district list is because the U.S. Census Bureau lists such for Massachusetts anyway in its maps like any other state, and because an out of state visitor reading the article may not be aware of the school district situation in Massachusetts.

The section "Education" could also be used to give a general overview/listing of other educational facilities like libraries, universities, etc.

What I could do in regards to school districts is make a note in an education section that the school districts just follow the municipal boundaries in this county. WhisperToMe (talk) 04:29, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

 * Hello! I think if you want to add an education section to the article, stating in that section that each city has its own school system would be a sensible thing to do. It doesn't really make sense to list school districts separately seeing as there is already a list of cities (and only two of the four school systems have Wikipedia articles). AJD (talk) 04:43, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and worded it like that. I found the articles for the other two systems, just putting them in parenthenses. WhisperToMe (talk) 04:51, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I think "each city has its own school system" is easier to understand than "school districts follow municipal boundaries", but I won't push on it. I added a bunch more colleges to the list; though if all the tertiary education institutions in Suffolk County are in Boston, it again feels silly to list them on the Suffolk County page. AJD (talk) 04:59, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * What I did is combine the two (emphasis on the municipal boundaries because in other states school districts cross city and county lines). Yeah, I know in New England counties don't have a lot of emphasis or importance. A reader who is from a "strong county" state (like Georgia) may want to see say a general overview of the education there. I'll see if the other three towns have any sort of higher ed facilities. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:05, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I found a community college campus in Chelsea. I'll see if I can find any in the last two cities. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:10, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Doesn't seem the others have any, but I'm glad I found the Chelsea one! WhisperToMe (talk) 05:16, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

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Found a simple map that shows all New England counties: http://neatlas.huh.harvard.edu/NE0-1.html

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Costs
The state did not absorb the costs of outstanding liabilities of Worcester County as stated above - the Cities and Towns in Worcester County did through assessments against their Local Aide - Jim Malloy, Town Manager, Westborough, MA —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.248.188.13 (talk) 19:55, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Wekapaug
Many web sources mention a place in Massachusetts called Wekapaug. One puts it in Worcester County. Is that true, and if so what and where is it? -- Beland (talk) 23:22, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

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The usage of Worcester is under discussion, see Talk:WorcesterFound5dollar (talk) 19:45, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

The discussion on whether Worcester should become a disambiguation page has reopened. Please visit Talk:Worcester to add to the discussion.--Found5dollar (talk) 01:36, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

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Azumanga Daioh

Azumanga Daioh (あずまんが大王) is a Japanese yonkoma comedy manga series written and illustrated by Kiyohiko Azuma. It was serialized from February 1999 to May 2002 in the monthly magazine Dengeki Daioh by MediaWorks; three additional chapters were published in Shogakukan's Monthly Shōnen Sunday in May 2009 to celebrate the manga's tenth anniversary. The manga was first released in English by ADV Manga, and later re-issued by Yen Press.

An anime television adaptation titled Azumanga Daioh: The Animation was produced by J.C.Staff and aired in Japan between April and September 2002, consisting of 130 four-minute segments compiled into 26 episodes. The compiled episodes were released on DVD and Universal Media Discs (UMDs) by Starchild Records, and an English-language version was produced by ADV Films. Before the series, a theatrical short and an original net animation were also produced. Several soundtrack albums were released, as well as three Azumanga Daioh video games.

Both the manga and anime have been praised for their humor driven by eccentric characters, with Azuma acclaimed as a "master of the four-panel form" for both his art style and comic timing.

Premise
Azumanga Daioh chronicles the everyday life in an unnamed Japanese high school of six girls and two of their teachers: child prodigy Chiyo Mihama and her struggle to fit in with girls five years older; reserved Sakaki and her obsession with cute animals while certain ones seem to hate her; spacey Ayumu "Osaka" Kasuga with a skewed perspective on the world; Koyomi "Yomi" Mizuhara's aggravation at an annoying best friend; Tomo Takino, whose energy is rivaled only by her lack of sense; sporty Kagura and her one-sided athletics rivalry with Sakaki; their homeroom teacher Yukari Tanizaki; and her friend, physical education teacher Minamo "Nyamo" Kurosawa.

Secondary characters include Kimura, a creepy male teacher with an obsession with teenage girls, and Kaorin, a female classmate with a crush on Sakaki. The story covers three years of tests, talking between classes, culture festivals, and athletic events at school, as well as time spent traveling to and from school, studying at Chiyo's house, and vacations at Chiyo's summer beach home and the fictional theme park Magical Land, concluding with the graduation of the main cast. It is generally realistic in tone, marked by occasional bursts of surrealism and absurdity, such as Osaka imagining Chiyo's ponytails being "unscrewed" from her head and an episode featuring the characters' New Year's dreams.

Production
The series title has no particular significance to the story. "Azumanga" is a portmanteau of the author's name "Azuma" and "manga", while "Daioh" comes from the magazine in which it was originally published, Dengeki Daioh. In the anime, "daioh" is mentioned during the next episode previews, used in context with the meaning "great king".

"Azumanga" is also used as a general term for Kiyohiko Azuma's other comics and illustrations. Two previous collections of Azuma's works, including official tie-in comics of Pioneer animations, were published as Azumanga and Azumanga 2 in 1998 and 2001, respectively. Azumanga Daioh was later republished in a reduced-size edition called Azumanga Recycle.

Manga
Azumanga Daioh was written and illustrated by Kiyohiko Azuma, largely in yonkoma (four-panel) format. The unnumbered chapters were serialized by MediaWorks in the monthly magazine Dengeki Daioh from February 1999 to May 2002. The series was collected in four volumes. Each of the four volumes covers about a year in the characters' lives. A new edition in three volumes was released in Japan by Shogakukan to commemorate the manga's 10th anniversary, with volume one, covering the first year of high school, being published June 11, 2009. The reprint edition contains three additional 16-page chapters serialized in Monthly Shōnen Sunday starting in May 2009 under the title Azumanga Daioh: Supplementary Lessons (あずまんが大王·補習編).

The series was licensed in English in North America and the United Kingdom by ADV Manga, which released all four volumes between 2003 and 2004. ADV later reprinted the series in an omnibus edition (ISBN 978-1-4139-0364-5) on November 7, 2007. In 2009, Yen Press acquired the North American and UK license of Azumanga Daioh, and released a new translation in December 2009 in an omnibus volume. In Europe, Azumanga Daioh is licensed in French by Kurokawa, in German by Tokyopop, in Spanish by Norma Editorial, in Finnish by Punainen jättiläinen and in Russian by Palm Press. In Asia, the series has been licensed in Korean by Daiwon C.I., in Thai by Negibose Comics, in Vietnam by TVM Comics, and in Chinese by Tong Li Publishing. It was also translated into Brazilian Portuguese by NewPOP Editora. It was the first yonkoma manga translated in France.

Anime
The anime television series, Azumanga Daioh: the Animation, was produced by J.C.Staff and aired from the week of April 8, 2002 until the week of September 30, 2002. It was broadcast on TV Tokyo, TV Aichi, TV Osaka, and AT-X in five-minute segments every weekday, then repeated as a 25-minute compilation that weekend, for a total of 130 five-minute segments collected in 26 episodes. For the compilation episodes, the respective opening and ending themes were "Soramimi Cake" (空耳ケーキ) and "Raspberry Heaven", both performed by Oranges & Lemons. The compilation episodes, which were the only versions to include the title and credits sequences, were released on 6 DVDs in 2003 and 9 Universal Media Discs between 2005 and 2006 by Starchild Records, and a DVD box set of all episodes was released on June 24, 2009; the five-minute segments can be distinguished by their individual titles.

Besides the anime television series, there have been two other animated adaptations: The Very Short Azumanga Daioh Movie, a six-minute trailer released to movie theaters to publicize the upcoming television series, and Azumanga Web Daioh, a shorter original net animation made available for paid streaming on chara-ani.com beginning from December 28, 2000, then offered as a paid download for a limited time. Azumanga Web Daioh was originally intended to gauge whether there was enough interest to create a web-released anime adaptation; because of overwhelming demand, the original plan for web-release was changed to a television release. It featured different voice actors, music, and staff from the series.

In the United States, the anime television series was released in six DVDs on September 9, 2005, and then later in a five DVD volume "Thinpak" set, both by ADV Films. The sixth DVD volume included The Very Short Azumanga Daioh Movie. In 2009, Nokia offered the first five episodes of Azumanga Daioh on its Ovi phone service. Madman Entertainment licensed the series for release in Australia and New Zealand. As of September 1, 2009, all of ADV's former catalog are transferred to AEsir Holdings, with distribution from Section23 Films. The series was later re-licensed in 2016 by Sentai Filmworks.

Soundtracks
Several soundtrack albums for the anime of Azumanga Daioh were released by Lantis, including two volumes of the Azumanga Daioh Original Soundtrack, collecting the show's score and themes; two tribute albums; and Vocal Collection, collecting character image songs. One single was released for the opening and closing theme of the anime, and eight singles of image songs were released for the main cast members.

 * The opening and closing theme single Soramimi no Cake/Raspberry Heaven was released on April 22, 2002. The two volumes of the soundtrack were released on June 26, 2006, and October 23, 2002, The soundtrack albums were re-released as a two-disc set on June 24, 2009 in conjunction with the 10th anniversary release of the DVD box set. Azumanga Daioh Original Soundtrack Volume 1 was released in the United States by Geneon.
 * Azumanga Daioh: Vocal Collection collects the character image songs performed by the voice actors in the personas of the characters they played, and the opening and the closing theme songs. It was released on December 25, 2002 in Japan, Eight image song singles were released as Azumanga Daioh Characters Songs Volumes 1 through 8, which focused in order on Chiyo, Sakaki, Osaka, Tomo, Kagura, Yomi, Sensei, and Kaorin. Volumes 1 and 2 were released May 22, 2002, Volume 3 on June 26, 2002, Volumes 4 and 5 on July 27, 2002,  Volume 6 and 7 on September 4, 2002,  and Volume 8 on September 25, 2002. Azumanga Daioh: Vocal Collection was released in the United States by Geneon on July 5, 2005.
 * Two tribute albums, Tribute to Azumanga Daioh and Tribute to Live Azumanga Daioh, were released on October 2, 2002, and December 10, 2003.

Other media
Two art books for the anime were published under the titles Azumanga Daioh the Animation Visual Book 1 (あずまんが大王 THE ANIMATION ビジュアルブック(1)) (ISBN 4-8402-2203-7) and Azumanga Daioh the Animation Visual Book 2 (あずまんが大王 THE ANIMATION ビジュアルブック(2)) (ISBN 4-8402-2290-8) were published by MediaWorks on August 26, 2002 and December 10, 2002, respectively.

Three Azumanga Daioh video games were released. Azumanga Donjyara Daioh, a puzzle game similar to mahjong, was released by Bandai for the PlayStation on April 18, 2002. A crossover game with Puzzle Bobble, called Azumanga Daioh Puzzle Bobble, developed by Moss and published by Taito, was released on December 13, 2002 for the Sega NAOMI GD-ROM arcade system only in Japan. Azumanga Daioh Advance, a card-playing game, was released by King Records for the Game Boy Advance on April 25, 2003.

Reception
Both the manga and anime have been praised for their humor driven by eccentric characters, with Azuma acclaimed as a "master of the four-panel form" for both his art style and comic timing. In Japan, the Azumanga Daioh manga was named a jury recommended work of the sixth Japan Media Arts Festival in 2002. The manga was named as one of the top 25 manga at the 2006 Japan Media Arts Festival.

English reviewers have commented positively about Azumanga Daioh. In Manga: The Complete Guide, Jason Thompson refers to it as a "charming comedy" and a "quiet master of the four-panel form", praising the series comedic timing and use of running gags. He felt one of the series' best points was its "character-driven writing", but does warn that its moe nature and the jokes that revolve around the "vaguely pedophilic teacher" might disturb some newer readers of manga. He later said that Azumanga Daioh was an "almost totally innocent" kind of moe, centered around "peep[ing] at the chaste world of girls", in which "adorable girls do adorable things". The French manga dictionary Dicomanga noted that despite being a moe series targeted at otaku, it also appealed to female readers for celebrating "friendships between girls as well as [its] comedy". Marc Hairston describes Azumanga Daioh as being "slightly disjointed", with "frequently oblique" and "culturally biased" humour, and says it is both "lighter" and "more wry" than Maria-sama ga Miteru. He describes the characters of Azumanga Daioh as being "individuals with slightly offbeat personalities". Mark Thomas, writing for Mania.com, says that each character has "a defining personality trait that is ramped up to abnormal levels" and that each has a foil, which highlights these traits and prevents them from becoming too annoying or unbelievable as characters. Thomas said that the yonkoma format does not lend itself to "complex story arcs", and the story is presented as "quick snapshots of random moments in their daily routines", noting that the narrative is character-driven. Patrick King, writing for Anime Fringe, considered it to be "one of the funniest, most adorable manga series I've read". IGN noted the lack of background art, but said that the expressive faces of the characters made up for it.

Fred Patton of Animation World Magazine described the anime as "delightfully witty and even an educational window onto what Japanese high school life is really like". Chris Beveridge of Anime on DVD, stated that "There's a lot to laugh with here and a cast of characters that grow quickly on you as you start finding those you favor and those you don't." Andrew Shelton from Anime Meta explains that "The character of the girls is extremely well brought out. The superb observation, and ability to capture expression, makes the anime incredibly fun to watch in addition to meeting the story requirements. The action, and very rich comedy, are also wonderfully represented. There is just so much meaning, and charm, in even the most minor of expressions." The reviewers of THEM Anime Reviews and Anime News Network felt that fans who had already graduated high school would feel nostalgic at times while watching Azumanga Daioh. Lauren Bryant of Art Decko Magazine, noted that the series is "filled with silly gags and hijinks", having a "lighthearted humor" with "very minimalist" animation, and said that the show makes Kaori "overtly gay" as she has a crush on Sakaki. However, Bryant criticized Kimura for being "vaguely paedophilic", but called the series on the whole "very wholesome and hilarious".

The licensed manga had sales that reached top 100 lists on occasions and was included in the top 25 manga recommended by International Correspondence in Retailers Guide to Anime/Manga. The English dub for the show was well received, earning six ADR Awards from fans voting on AnimeonDVD.com and Dubreview.com. Four of the girls were included in Newtype's top 100 anime heroines of 2002: Osaka was awarded 7th, Chiyo 11th, Sakaki 21st, and Yomi 78th. Together, they made Azumanga Daioh the second most popular series of 2002 for female characters.

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