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Lake Erie Transit
It's amazing how long articles in your own backyard can be on Wikipedia, thanks in part to a lack of categorization and interlinking. I fail to see the notability of the Lake Erie Transit article. The article is poorly sourced with its only meaningful references being the MDOT site (thought it contains no real information) and a few Monroe Evening News articles. In one case, describing the unique design of one of the city buses is arguably unencyclopedic, trivial information. I propose this article be merged into Monroe County, Michigan with an excerpt placed into Monroe, Michigan. Otherwise, my second option is to list it on AfD. —  ♣ №tǒŖïøŭş  4lĭfė   ♫   ♪  01:20, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

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Need a climate section
I was just to the article on Cadillac, Michigan and note that they have a section that looks this this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 7&6=thirteen (talk • contribs) 20:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Climate
Cadillac experiences a typical northern Michigan climate, undergoing temperate seasonal changes, influenced by the presence of Lake Michigan and the inevitable lake effect. Winters are generally cold with large amounts of snowfall. Summers are warm. The average high temperature in July is 79 °F (26 °C) and the average low is in January, at 10 °F (-12 °C). Summer temperatures can exceed 90 °F (32 °C), and winter temperatures can drop below 0 °F (-18 °C). Average annual rainfall is 32 inches (81 cm), and average annual snowfall is 71 inches (180 cm). Snowfall typically occurs between the months of November and March.

I 've never done one of these. Is there somebody out there who can help. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 22:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)Stan

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Awkward Layout
The layout of this article needs attention.Pdcook (talk) 02:18, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

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Confusion regarding Automation Alley
The area is not coined Automation Alley because of its automotive economic base, as far as I know. It's still important to include the Alley in the intro paragraph but the connection isn't quite right. I will ask the Alley's wikipedia person to take a look at the article and make edits as needed. They are probably best qualified to write this part up. Dave Biskner (talk) 19:52, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Comments
My understanding is the identification of cities is based upon the most recent census, not the estimates of the census bureau. If that is wrong, I apologize, but I don't know how the identification could be based upon "estimates". subdn

Well, I am clearly missing something here, as the page has been revised yet again to reflect that Troy is more populous than Farmington Hills, when the respective pages clearly show that Farmington Hills, based on an actual census, and not an "estimate" is more populous than Troy. What am I missing? subdn

 * OK, my mistake. I could have sworn I compared the two pages and saw Troy with the larger population, but they have not been edited recently, so either my browser is playing tricks on me or I was delusional. As of the 2000 Census figure, Farmington Hills was larger. Starting with the 2003 estimate, Troy has been slihtly ahead. Farmington Hills Troy older ≠ wiser 20:03, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Although, oddly enough, the county population in this article is for the 2005 estimate. older ≠ wiser 20:05, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

 * I guess my thought is that the fact that the 2005 estimate is for Oakland County only proves my point. The "estimate"s are inherently less reliable than the actual census, so they don't provide estimates as frequently for smaller subsets (cities) as compared to larger subsets (counties).  In any event, I think your resolution was appropriate. :)  subdn

 * Actually, they do provide annual estimates for cities. See the links I provided above. I believe the estimates are regarded as fairly accurate. older ≠ wiser 21:07, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Japanese names
WhisperToMe (talk) 05:21, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * "Communicable Disease Reference Chart." (伝染病に関する参考資料) - "Oakland County Health Division" - "オークランドカウンティー保健衛生局"
 * http://schoolsites.schoolworld.com/schools/wlcsd/files/filesystem/Jpns.kindergarten_orientation.10.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6JPyecPwH - Also - Japanese Kindergarten orientation

Global Oakland
These "Global Oakland" pamphlets from Advantage Oakland can help with sourcing in various Wikipedias: WhisperToMe (talk) 00:34, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * English: http://www.advantageoakland.com/ResearchPortal/Documents/go_english.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6JPvXHa9n
 * Chinese: http://www.advantageoakland.com/ResearchPortal/Documents/go_chinese.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6JPxBYfzN
 * German: http://www.advantageoakland.com/ResearchPortal/Documents/go_german.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6JPza5XJv
 * Italian: http://www.advantageoakland.com/ResearchPortal/Documents/go_italian.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6JPzeU8sT
 * Japanese: http://www.advantageoakland.com/ResearchPortal/Documents/go_japanese.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6JPuSUa3u
 * Korean: http://www.advantageoakland.com/ResearchPortal/Documents/go_korean.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6JPzOVp6R

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Lakes
Could the list of lakes be streamlines with multiple columns? 47.137.181.222 (talk) 18:23, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

 * I tagged the section to be separated into its own article, titled List of lakes in Oakland County, Michigan. The section in the main county article is way too long and unorganized, and all that information can be moved out to its own article and cleaned up.  (Notorious4life (talk) 22:23, 20 July 2019 (UTC))

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Clarke said [that] it was named for the book Oceana, written by English author James Harrington in 1656. Clarke Who? or Who Clarke? NOW, when we say "Clarke wrote this", or "Clarke said that", we mean Sir Arthur C. Clarke, and don't you forget it. It is just like "Hemingway wrote that", "Dickens wrote that", "Jefferson wrote that", "Madison wrote that", "Churchill wrote that", "Kipling wrote that", "Longfellow wrote that", and "Caesar said that"!47.215.180.7 (talk) 12:10, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

The link to the Oceana County page was a thing that had nothing to do with the county
I think we should get rid of it considering it has no value of keeping it JohnJamesTheThird (talk) 03:11, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

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Ogemaw County Name
Named after Ogemaw-ki-keto, a prominent Saginaw Valley Indian chief who signed the Treaty of 1819. "Ogima" in Ottawa or Ojibwa is "chief" or "boss. That was the most specific of the four or five sources, and is from the Michigan History, Arts and letters website that is cited in the article.  All the other sources say it is simply from the Ojibwe word for "Chief" "Leader" or "Boss"  That includes the Clarke Historical Library.  Take a look at List of Michigan county name etymologies and all the sources that are cited in that article. Here are some of the sources from that article. The other Wikipedia article List of Michigan counties doesn't have a meaning. Here's a book that says Ogemaw means "Chief" in  the Ojibwe language: http://books.google.com/books?id=T5d5wS7so14C&pg=PA87&dq=vogel+virgil+j++ogemaw&sig=NF2YArfQxsEWOg0b0Hi2Wb466fc Vogel, Virgil J. Indian Names in Michigan. (Ann Arbor, University of Michigan Press, 1986). 244 pgs. 8 B&W photographs & 3 maps. (1986) ISBN 978-0-472-06365-9. p. 87. It notes that it is a common name in Michigan, giving a great many geographic examples. In short, I can't find anything that suggests even remotely that Ogemaw is the name of an Indian tribe. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 22:56, 17 May 2008 (UTC) Stan
 * Clarke Historical Library, Central Michigan University, Bibliography Ogemaw County.
 * "Michigan Counties" from the Michigan Department of History, Arts and Libraries
 * Freelang Ojibwe Dictionary.

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Electric vehicle

An electric vehicle (EV) is a vehicle that uses one or more electric motors for propulsion. The vehicle can be powered by a collector system, with electricity from extravehicular sources, or can be powered autonomously by a battery or by converting fuel to electricity using a generator or fuel cells. EVs include road and rail vehicles, electric boats and underwater vessels, electric aircraft and electric spacecraft.

Early electric vehicles first came into existence in the late 19th century, when the Second Industrial Revolution brought forth electrification. Using electricity was among the preferred methods for motor vehicle propulsion as it provides a level of quietness, comfort and ease of operation that could not be achieved by the gasoline engine cars of the time, but range anxiety due to the limited energy storage offered by contemporary battery technologies hindered any mass adoption of private electric vehicles throughout the 20th century. Internal combustion engines (both gasoline and diesel engines) were the dominant propulsion mechanisms for cars and trucks for about 100 years, but electricity-powered locomotion remained commonplace in other vehicle types, such as overhead line-powered mass transit vehicles like electric trains, trams, monorails and trolley buses, as well as various small, low-speed, short-range battery-powered personal vehicles such as mobility scooters.

Hybrid electric vehicles, where electric motors are used as a supplementary propulsion to internal combustion engines, became more widespread in the late 1990s. Plug-in hybrid electric vehicles, where electric motors can be used as the predominant propulsion rather than a supplement, did not see any mass production until the late 2000s, and battery electric cars did not become practical options for the consumer market until the 2010s.

Progress in batteries, electric motors and power electronics have made electric cars more feasible than during the 20th century. As a means of reducing tailpipe emissions of carbon dioxide and other pollutants, and to reduce use of fossil fuels, government incentives are available in many areas to promote the adoption of electric cars and trucks.

History
Electric motive power started in 1827 when Hungarian priest Ányos Jedlik built the first crude but viable electric motor; the next year he used it to power a small model car. In 1835, Professor Sibrandus Stratingh of the University of Groningen, in the Netherlands, built a small-scale electric car, and sometime between 1832 and 1839, Robert Anderson of Scotland invented the first crude electric carriage, powered by non-rechargeable primary cells. American blacksmith and inventor Thomas Davenport built a toy electric locomotive, powered by a primitive electric motor, in 1835. In 1838, a Scotsman named Robert Davidson built an electric locomotive that attained a speed of four miles per hour (6 km/h). In England, a patent was granted in 1840 for the use of rails as conductors of electric current, and similar American patents were issued to Lilley and Colten in 1847.

The first mass-produced electric vehicles appeared in America in the early 1900s. In 1902, the Studebaker Automobile Company entered the automotive business with electric vehicles, though it also entered the gasoline vehicles market in 1904. However, with the advent of cheap assembly line cars by Ford Motor Company, the popularity of electric cars declined significantly.

Due to lack of electricity grids and the limitations of storage batteries at that time, electric cars did not gain much popularity; however, electric trains gained immense popularity due to their economies and achievable speeds. By the 20th century, electric rail transport became commonplace due to advances in the development of electric locomotives. Over time their general-purpose commercial use reduced to specialist roles as platform trucks, forklift trucks, ambulances, tow tractors, and urban delivery vehicles, such as the iconic British milk float. For most of the 20th century, the UK was the world's largest user of electric road vehicles.

Electrified trains were used for coal transport, as the motors did not use the valuable oxygen in the mines. Switzerland's lack of natural fossil resources forced the rapid electrification of their rail network. One of the earliest rechargeable batteries – the nickel-iron battery – was favored by Edison for use in electric cars.

EVs were among the earliest automobiles, and before the preeminence of light, powerful internal combustion engines (ICEs), electric automobiles held many vehicle land speed and distance records in the early 1900s. They were produced by Baker Electric, Columbia Electric, Detroit Electric, and others, and at one point in history outsold gasoline-powered vehicles. In 1900, 28 percent of the cars on the road in the US were electric. EVs were so popular that even President Woodrow Wilson and his secret service agents toured Washington, D.C., in their Milburn Electrics, which covered 60–70 miles (100–110 km) per charge.

Most producers of passenger cars opted for gasoline cars in the first decade of the 20th century, but electric trucks were an established niche well into the 1920s. A number of developments contributed to a decline in the popularity of electric cars. Improved road infrastructure required a greater range than that offered by electric cars, and the discovery of large reserves of petroleum in Texas, Oklahoma, and California led to the wide availability of affordable gasoline/petrol, making internal combustion powered cars cheaper to operate over long distances. Electric vehicles were seldom marketed as a women's luxury car, which may have been a stigma among male consumers. Also, internal combustion powered cars became ever-easier to operate thanks to the invention of the electric starter by Charles Kettering in 1912, which eliminated the need of a hand crank for starting a gasoline engine, and the noise emitted by ICE cars became more bearable thanks to the use of the muffler, which Hiram Percy Maxim had invented in 1897. As roads were improved outside urban areas, electric vehicle range could not compete with the ICE. Finally, the initiation of mass production of gasoline-powered vehicles by Henry Ford in 1913 reduced significantly the cost of gasoline cars as compared to electric cars.

In the 1930s, National City Lines, which was a partnership of General Motors, Firestone, and Standard Oil of California purchased many electric tram networks across the country to dismantle them and replace them with GM buses. The partnership was convicted of conspiring to monopolize the sale of equipment and supplies to their subsidiary companies, but was acquitted of conspiring to monopolize the provision of transportation services.

The Copenhagen Summit, which was conducted in the midst of a severe observable climate change brought on by human-made greenhouse gas emissions, was held in 2009. During the summit, more than 70 countries developed plans to eventually reach net zero. For many countries, adopting more EVs will help reduce the use of gasoline.

Experimentation
In January 1990, General Motors President introduced its EV concept two-seater, the "Impact", at the Los Angeles Auto Show. That September, the California Air Resources Board mandated major-automaker sales of EVs, in phases starting in 1998. From 1996 to 1998 GM produced 1117 EV1s, 800 of which were made available through three-year leases.

Chrysler, Ford, GM, Honda, and Toyota also produced limited numbers of EVs for California drivers during this time period. In 2003, upon the expiration of GM's EV1 leases, GM discontinued them. The discontinuation has variously been attributed to:
 * the auto industry's successful federal court challenge to California's zero-emissions vehicle mandate,
 * a federal regulation requiring GM to produce and maintain spare parts for the few thousand EV1s and
 * the success of the oil and auto industries' media campaign to reduce public acceptance of EVs.

A movie made on the subject in 2005–2006 was titled Who Killed the Electric Car? and released theatrically by Sony Pictures Classics in 2006. The film explores the roles of automobile manufacturers, oil industry, the U.S. government, batteries, hydrogen vehicles, and the general public, and each of their roles in limiting the deployment and adoption of this technology.

Ford released a number of their Ford Ecostar delivery vans into the market. Honda, Nissan and Toyota also repossessed and crushed most of their EVs, which, like the GM EV1s, had been available only by closed-end lease. After public protests, Toyota sold 200 of its RAV4 EVs; they later sold at over their original forty-thousand-dollar price. Later, BMW of Canada sold off a number of Mini EVs when their Canadian testing ended.

The production of the Citroën Berlingo Electrique stopped in September 2005. Zenn started production in 2006 but ended by 2009.

Reintroduction
During the late 20th and early 21st century, the environmental impact of the petroleum-based transportation infrastructure, along with the fear of peak oil, led to renewed interest in electric transportation infrastructure. EVs differ from fossil fuel-powered vehicles in that the electricity they consume can be generated from a wide range of sources, including fossil fuels, nuclear power, and renewables such as solar power and wind power, or any combination of those.

The carbon footprint and other emissions of electric vehicles vary depending on the fuel and technology used for electricity generation. The electricity may be stored in the vehicle using a battery, flywheel, or supercapacitors. Vehicles using internal combustion engines usually only derive their energy from a single or a few sources, usually non-renewable fossil fuels. A key advantage of electric vehicles is regenerative braking, which recovers kinetic energy, typically lost during friction braking as heat, as electricity restored to the on-board battery.

Electricity sources
There are many ways to generate electricity, of varying costs, efficiency and ecological desirability.

Connection to generator plants

 * Direct connection to electric grids as is common among electric trains, trams, trolleybuses, and trolleytrucks (See also: overhead lines, third rail and conduit current collection)
 * Online electric vehicle collects power from electric power strips buried under the road surface through electromagnetic induction

Onboard generators and hybrid EVs

 * Generated on-board using a diesel engine: diesel–electric locomotive and diesel–electric multiple unit (DEMU)
 * Generated on-board using a fuel cell: fuel cell vehicle
 * Generated on-board using nuclear energy: nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers
 * Renewable sources such as solar power: solar vehicle

It is also possible to have hybrid EVs that derive electricity from multiple sources, such as:
 * On-board rechargeable electricity storage system (RESS) and a direct continuous connection to land-based generation plants for purposes of on-highway recharging with unrestricted highway range
 * On-board rechargeable electricity storage system and a fueled propulsion power source (internal combustion engine): plug-in hybrid

For especially large EVs, such as submarines, the chemical energy of the diesel–electric can be replaced by a nuclear reactor. The nuclear reactor usually provides heat, which drives a steam turbine, which drives a generator, which is then fed to the propulsion. See Nuclear marine propulsion.

A few experimental vehicles, such as some cars and a handful of aircraft use solar panels for electricity.

Onboard storage
These systems are powered from an external generator plant (nearly always when stationary), and then disconnected before motion occurs, and the electricity is stored in the vehicle until needed.
 * Full Electric Vehicles (FEV). Power storage methods include:
 * Chemical energy stored on the vehicle in on-board batteries: Battery electric vehicle (BEV) typically with a lithium-ion battery
 * Kinetic energy storage: flywheels
 * Static energy stored on the vehicle in on-board electric double-layer capacitors

Batteries, electric double-layer capacitors and flywheel energy storage are forms of rechargeable on-board electricity storage systems. By avoiding an intermediate mechanical step, the energy conversion efficiency can be improved compared to hybrids by avoiding unnecessary energy conversions. Furthermore, electro-chemical batteries conversions are reversible, allowing electrical energy to be stored in chemical form.

Lithium-ion battery

Most electric vehicles use lithium-ion batteries (Li-Ions or LIBs). Lithium-ion batteries have a higher energy density, longer life span, and higher power density than most other practical batteries. Complicating factors include safety, durability, thermal breakdown, environmental impact, and cost. Li-ion batteries should be used within safe temperature and voltage ranges to operate safely and efficiently.

Increasing the battery's lifespan decreases effective costs and environmental impact. One technique is to operate a subset of the battery cells at a time and switching these subsets.

In the past, nickel–metal hydride batteries were used in some electric cars, such as those made by General Motors. These battery types are considered outdated due to their tendencies to self-discharge in the heat. Furthermore, a patent for this type of battery was held by Chevron, which created a problem for their widespread development. These factors, coupled with their high cost, has led to lithium-ion batteries leading as the predominant battery for EVs.

The prices of lithium-ion batteries have declined dramatically over the past decade, contributing to a reduction in price for electric vehicles, but an increase in the price of critical minerals such as lithium from 2021 to the end of 2022 has put pressure on historical battery price decreases.

Electric motor

The power of a vehicle's electric motor, as in other machines, is measured in kilowatts (kW). Electric motors can deliver their maximum torque over a wide RPM range. This means that the performance of a vehicle with a 100 kW electric motor exceeds that of a vehicle with a 100 kW internal combustion engine, which can only deliver its maximum torque within a limited range of engine speed.

Efficiency of charging varies considerably depending on the type of charger, and energy is lost during the process of converting the electrical energy to mechanical energy.

Usually, direct current (DC) electricity is fed into a DC/AC inverter where it is converted to alternating current (AC) electricity and this AC electricity is connected to a 3-phase AC motor.

For electric trains, forklift trucks, and some electric cars, DC motors are often used. In some cases, universal motors are used, and then AC or DC may be employed. In recent production vehicles, various motor types have been implemented; for instance, induction motors within Tesla Motor vehicles and permanent magnet machines in the Nissan Leaf and Chevrolet Bolt.

Energy and motors

Most large electric transport systems are powered by stationary sources of electricity that are directly connected to the vehicles through wires. Electric traction allows the use of regenerative braking, in which the motors are used as brakes and become generators that transform the motion of, usually, a train into electrical power that is then fed back into the lines. This system is particularly advantageous in mountainous operations, as descending vehicles can produce a large portion of the power required for those ascending. This regenerative system is only viable if the system is large enough to use the power generated by descending vehicles.

In the systems above, motion is provided by a rotary electric motor. However, it is possible to "unroll" the motor to drive directly against a special matched track. These linear motors are used in maglev trains which float above the rails supported by magnetic levitation. This allows for almost no rolling resistance of the vehicle and no mechanical wear and tear of the train or track. In addition to the high-performance control systems needed, switching and curving of the tracks becomes difficult with linear motors, which to date has restricted their operations to high-speed point to point services.

Vehicle types
It is generally possible to equip any kind of vehicle with an electric power-train.

Pure-electric vehicles
A pure-electric vehicle or all-electric vehicle is powered exclusively through electric motors. The electricity may come from a battery (battery electric vehicle), solar panel (solar vehicle) or fuel cell (fuel cell vehicle).

Hybrid EVs
There are different ways that a hybrid electric vehicle can combine the power from an electric motor and the internal combustion engine. The most common type is a parallel hybrid that connects the engine and the electric motor to the wheels through mechanical coupling. In this scenario, the electric motor and the engine can drive the wheels directly. Series hybrids only use the electric motor to drive the wheels and can often be referred to as extended-range electric vehicles (EREVs) or range-extended electric vehicles (REEVs). There are also series-parallel hybrids where the vehicle can be powered by the engine working alone, the electric motor on its own, or by both working together; this is designed so that the engine can run at its optimum range as often as possible.

Plug-in electric vehicle

A plug-in electric vehicle (PEV) is any motor vehicle that can be recharged from any external source of electricity, such as wall sockets, and the electricity stored in the Rechargeable battery packs drives or contributes to drive the wheels. PEV is a subcategory of electric vehicles that includes battery electric vehicles (BEVs), plug-in hybrid vehicles, (PHEVs), and electric vehicle conversions of hybrid electric vehicles and conventional internal combustion engine vehicles.

Range-extended electric vehicle
A range-extended electric vehicle (REEV) is a vehicle powered by an electric motor and a plug-in battery. An auxiliary combustion engine is used only to supplement battery charging and not as the primary source of power.

On- and off-road EVs
On-road electric vehicles include electric cars, electric trolleybuses, electric buses, battery electric buses, electric trucks, electric bicycles, electric motorcycles and scooters, personal transporters, neighborhood electric vehicles, golf carts, milk floats, and forklifts. Off-road vehicles include electrified all-terrain vehicles and electric tractors.

Railborne EVs

The fixed nature of a rail line makes it relatively easy to power EVs through permanent overhead lines or electrified third rails, eliminating the need for heavy onboard batteries. Electric locomotives, electric multiple units, electric trams (also called streetcars or trolleys), electric light rail systems, and electric rapid transit are all in common use today, especially in Europe and Asia.

Since electric trains do not need to carry a heavy internal combustion engine or large batteries, they can have very good power-to-weight ratios. This allows high speed trains such as France's double-deck TGVs to operate at speeds of 320 km/h (200 mph) or higher, and electric locomotives to have a much higher power output than diesel locomotives. In addition, they have higher short-term surge power for fast acceleration, and using regenerative brakes can put braking power back into the electrical grid rather than wasting it.

Maglev trains are also nearly always EVs.

There are also battery electric passenger trains operating on non-electrified rail lines.

Seaborne EVs

Electric boats were popular around the turn of the 20th century. Interest in quiet and potentially renewable marine transportation has steadily increased since the late 20th century, as solar cells have given motorboats the infinite range of sailboats. Electric motors can and have also been used in sailboats instead of traditional diesel engines. Electric ferries operate routinely. Submarines use batteries (charged by diesel or gasoline engines at the surface), nuclear power, fuel cells or Stirling engines to run electric motor-driven propellers. Fully electric tugboats are being used in Auckland, New Zealand (June 2022), Vancouver, British Columbia (October 2023), and San Diego, California.

Airborne EVs

Since the beginnings of aviation, electric power for aircraft has received a great deal of experimentation. Currently, flying electric aircraft include piloted and unpiloted aerial vehicles.

Electrically powered spacecraft
Electric power has a long history of use in spacecraft. The power sources used for spacecraft are batteries, solar panels and nuclear power. Current methods of propelling a spacecraft with electricity include the arcjet rocket, the electrostatic ion thruster, the Hall-effect thruster, and Field Emission Electric Propulsion.

Space rover vehicles
Crewed and uncrewed vehicles have been used to explore the Moon and other planets in the Solar System. On the last three missions of the Apollo program in 1971 and 1972, astronauts drove silver-oxide battery-powered Lunar Roving Vehicles distances up to 35.7 km on the lunar surface. Uncrewed, solar-powered rovers have explored the Moon and Mars.

Records

 * Rimac Nevera, an electric hypercar, set 23 world speed records in one day.
 * Fastest acceleration of an electric car, 0 to 100 km/h in 1.461 seconds by university students at the University of Stuttgart.
 * Electric Land Speed Record 353 mph.
 * Electric Car Distance Record 1725 mi in 24 hours by Bjørn Nyland.
 * Greatest distance by electric vehicle, single charge 999.5 mi.
 * Solar-powered EV is fastest EV to go over 1,000 km without stopping to recharge, the Sunswift 7.
 * Electric Motorcycle: 1070 mi under 24 hours. Michel von Tell on a Harley LiveWire.
 * Electric flight: 439.5 mi without charge.

Components
The type of battery, the type of traction motor and the motor controller design vary according to the size, power and proposed application, which can be as small as a motorized shopping cart or wheelchair, through pedelecs, electric motorcycles and scooters, neighborhood electric vehicles, industrial fork-lift trucks and including many hybrid vehicles.

Energy sources
EVs are much more efficient than fossil fuel vehicles and have few direct emissions. At the same time, they do rely on electrical energy that is generally provided by a combination of non-fossil fuel plants and fossil fuel plants. Consequently, EVs can be made less polluting overall by modifying the source of electricity. In some areas, persons can ask utilities to provide their electricity from renewable energy.

Fossil fuel vehicle efficiency and pollution standards take years to filter through a nation's fleet of vehicles. New efficiency and pollution standards rely on the purchase of new vehicles, often as the current vehicles already on the road reach their end-of-life. Only a few nations set a retirement age for old vehicles, such as Japan or Singapore, forcing periodic upgrading of all vehicles already on the road.

Batteries
An electric-vehicle battery (EVB) in addition to the traction battery specialty systems used for industrial (or recreational) vehicles, are batteries used to power the propulsion system of a battery electric vehicle (BEVs). These batteries are usually a secondary (rechargeable) battery, and are typically lithium-ion batteries.

Traction batteries, specifically designed with a high ampere-hour capacity, are used in forklifts, electric golf carts, riding floor scrubbers, electric motorcycles, electric cars, trucks, vans, and other electric vehicles.

Grid capacity
If almost all road vehicles were electric it would increase global demand for electricity by up to 25% by 2050 compared to 2020. However, overall energy consumption and emissions would diminish because of the higher efficiency of EVs over the entire cycle, and the reduction in energy needed to refine fossil fuels.

Battery swapping
Instead of recharging EVs from electric sockets, batteries could be mechanically replaced at special stations in a few minutes (battery swapping).

Batteries with greater energy density such as metal-air fuel cells cannot always be recharged in a purely electric way, so some form of mechanical recharge may be used instead. A zinc–air battery, technically a fuel cell, is difficult to recharge electrically so may be "refueled" by periodically replacing the anode or electrolyte instead.

Dynamic charging
TRL (formerly Transport Research Laboratory) lists three power delivery types for dynamic charging, or charging while the vehicle is in motion: overhead power lines, and ground level power through rail or induction. TRL lists overhead power as the most technologically mature solution which provides the highest levels of power, but the technology is unsuitable for non-commercial vehicles. Ground-level power is suitable for all vehicles, with rail being a mature solution with high transfer of power and easily accessible and inspected elements. Inductive charging delivers the least power and requires more roadside equipment than the alternatives.

The European Commission published in 2021 a request for regulation and standardization of electric road systems. Shortly afterward, a working group of the French Ministry of Ecology recommended adopting a European electric road standard formulated with Sweden, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain, Poland, and others. The first standard for electrical equipment on-board a vehicle powered by a rail electric road system (ERS), CENELEC Technical Standard 50717, has been approved in late 2022. Following standards, encompassing "full interoperability" and a "unified and interoperable solution" for ground-level power supply, are scheduled to be published by the end 2024, detailing complete "specifications for communication and power supply through conductive rails embedded in the road".

Other in-development technologies
Conventional electric double-layer capacitors are being worked on to achieve the energy density of lithium-ion batteries, offering almost unlimited lifespans and no environmental issues. High-K electric double-layer capacitors, such as EEStor's EESU, could improve lithium ion energy density several times over if they can be produced. Lithium-sulphur batteries offer 250 Wh/kg. Sodium-ion batteries promise 400 Wh/kg with only minimal expansion/contraction during charge/discharge and a very high surface area, and rely on lower cost materials than Lithium-ion, Leading to Cheaper batteries that do not require critical minerals.

Safety
The United Nations in Geneva (UNECE) has adopted the first international regulation (Regulation 100) on safety of both fully electric and hybrid electric cars, with the intent of ensuring that cars with a high voltage electric power train, such as hybrid and fully-electric vehicles, are as safe as combustion-powered cars. The EU and Japan have already indicated that they intend to incorporate the new UNECE Regulation in their respective rules on technical standards for vehicles.

Environmental
EVs release no tailpipe air pollutants, and reduce respiratory illnesses such as asthma. However, EVs are charged with electricity that may be generated by means that have health and environmental impacts.

The carbon emissions from producing and operating an EV are in the majority of cases less than those of producing and operating a conventional vehicle. EVs in urban areas almost always pollute less than internal combustion vehicles.

One limitation of the environmental potential of EVs is that simply switching the existing privately owned car fleet from ICEs to EVs will not free up road space for active travel or public transport. Electric micromobility vehicles, such as e-bikes, may contribute to the decarbonisation of transport systems, especially outside of urban areas which are already well-served by public transport.

Internal combustion engined vehicles use far more raw materials over their lifetime than EVs.

Lithium-ion batteries
Since their first commercial release in 1991, lithium-ion batteries have become an important technology for achieving low-carbon transportation systems. Information regarding the sustainability of production process of batteries has become a politically charged topic.

Business processes of raw material extraction in practice raise issues of transparency and accountability of the management of extractive resources. In the complex supply chain of lithium technology, there are diverse stakeholders representing corporate interests, public interest groups and political elites that are concerned with outcomes from the technology production and use. One possibility to achieve balanced extractive processes would be the establishment of commonly agreed standards on the governance of technology worldwide.

The compliance of these standards can be assessed by the Assessment of Sustainability in Supply Chains Frameworks (ASSC). Hereby, the qualitative assessment consists of examining governance and social and environmental commitment. Indicators for the quantitative assessment are management systems and standards, compliance and social and environmental indicators.

One source estimates that over a fifth of the lithium and about 65% of the cobalt needed for electric cars will be from recycled sources by 2035. On the other hand, when counting the large quantities of fossil fuel non-electric cars consume over their lifetime, electric cars can be considered to dramatically reduce raw-material needs.

In 2022, the manufacturing of an EV emitted on average around 50% more CO2 than an equivalent internal combustion engine vehicle, but this difference is more than offset by the much higher emissions from the oil used in driving an internal combustion engine Vehicle over its lifetime compared to those from generating the electricity used for driving the EV.

In 2023, Greenpeace issued a video criticizing the view that EVs are "silver bullet for climate", arguing that the construction phase has a high environmental impact. For example, the rise in SUV sales by Hyundai almost eliminate the climate benefits of passing to EV in this company, because even electric SUVs have a high carbon footprint as they consume much raw materials and energy during construction. Greenpeace proposes a mobility as a service concept instead, based on biking, public transport and ride sharing.

Socio-economic
A 2003 study in the United Kingdom found that "[p]ollution is most concentrated in areas where young children and their parents are more likely to live and least concentrated in areas to which the elderly tend to migrate," and that "those communities that are most polluted and which also emit the least pollution tend to be amongst the poorest in Britain." A 2019 UK study found that "households in the poorest areas emit the least NOx and PM, whilst the least poor areas emitted the highest, per km, vehicle emissions per household through having higher vehicle ownership, owning more diesel vehicles and driving further."

Mechanical
Electric motors are mechanically very simple and often achieve 90% energy conversion efficiency over the full range of speeds and power output and can be precisely controlled. They can also be combined with regenerative braking systems that have the ability to convert movement energy back into stored electricity. This can be used to reduce the wear on brake systems (and consequent brake pad dust) and reduce the total energy requirement of a trip. Regenerative braking is especially effective for start-and-stop city use.

They can be finely controlled and provide high torque from stationary-to-moving, unlike internal combustion engines, and do not need multiple gears to match power curves. This removes the need for gearboxes and torque converters.

EVs provide quiet and smooth operation and consequently have less noise and vibration than internal combustion engines. While this is a desirable attribute, it has also evoked concern that the absence of the usual sounds of an approaching vehicle poses a danger to blind, elderly and very young pedestrians. To mitigate this situation, many countries mandate warning sounds when EVs are moving slowly, up to a speed when normal motion and rotation (road, suspension, electric motor, etc.) noises become audible.

Electric motors do not require oxygen, unlike internal combustion engines; this is useful for submarines and for space rovers.

Energy resilience
Electricity can be produced from a variety of sources; therefore, it gives the greatest degree of energy resilience.

Energy efficiency
EV 'tank-to-wheels' efficiency is about a factor of three higher than internal combustion engine vehicles. Energy is not consumed while the vehicle is stationary, unlike internal combustion engines which consume fuel while idling. In 2022, EVs enabled a net reduction of about 80 Mt of GHG emissions, on a well to-wheels basis, and the net GHG benefit of EVs will increase over time as the electricity sector is decarbonised.

Well-to-wheel efficiency of an EV has less to do with the vehicle itself and more to do with the method of electricity production. A particular EV would instantly become twice as efficient if electricity production were switched from fossil fuels to renewable energy, such as wind power, tidal power, solar power, and nuclear power. Thus, when "well-to-wheels" is cited, the discussion is no longer about the vehicle, but rather about the entire energy supply infrastructure – in the case of fossil fuels this should also include energy spent on exploration, mining, refining, and distribution.

The lifecycle analysis of EVs shows that even when powered by the most carbon-intensive electricity in Europe, they emit less greenhouse gases than a conventional diesel vehicle.

Total cost
the purchase price of an EV is often more, but the total cost of ownership of an EV varies wildly depending on location and distance travelled per year: in parts of the world where fossil fuels are subsidized, lifecycle costs of diesel or gas-powered vehicle are sometimes less than a comparable EV.

European carmakers face significant pressure from more affordable Chinese models and price cuts by US-based Tesla Motor. From 2021 to 2022, the European market share of Chinese EV manufacturers doubled to almost 9%, prompting the CEO of Stellantis to describe it as an "invasion".

Range
Electric vehicles may have shorter range compared to vehicles with internal combustion engines, which is why the electrification of long-distance transport, such as long-distance shipping, remains challenging.

In 2022, the sales-weighted average range of small BEVs sold in the United States was nearly 350 km, while in France, Germany and the United Kingdom it was just under 300 km, compared to under 220 km in China.

Heating of EVs
Well insulated cabins can heat the vehicle using the body heat of the passengers. This is not enough, however, in colder climates as a driver delivers only about 100 W of heating power. A heat pump system, capable of cooling the cabin during summer and heating it during winter, is an efficient way of heating and cooling EVs. For vehicles which are connected to the grid, battery EVs can be preheated, or cooled, with little or no need for battery energy, especially for short trips. Most new electric cars come with heat pumps as standard.

Electric public transit efficiency
Shifts from private to public transport (train, trolleybus, personal rapid transit or tram) have the potential for large gains in efficiency in terms of an individual's distance traveled per kWh.

Research shows people prefer trams to buses, because they are quieter and more comfortable and perceived as having higher status. Therefore, it may be possible to cut liquid fossil fuel consumption in cities through the use of electric trams. Trams may be the most energy-efficient form of public transportation, with rubber-wheeled vehicles using two-thirds more energy than the equivalent tram, and run on electricity rather than fossil fuels.

In terms of net present value, they are also the cheapest – Blackpool trams are still running after 100 years, but combustion buses only last about 15 years.

Accident rate
Research published in the British Medical Journal indicates that electric cars hit pedestrians at twice the rate of petrol or diesel vehicles due to being quieter.

Government incentivization
The IEA suggests that taxing inefficient internal combustion engine vehicles could encourage adoption of EVs, with taxes raised being used to fund subsidies for EVs. Government procurement is sometimes used to encourage national EV manufacturers. Many countries will ban sales of fossil fuel vehicles between 2025 and 2040.

Many governments offer incentives to promote the use of electric vehicles, with the goals of reducing air pollution and oil consumption. Some incentives intend to increase purchases of electric vehicles by offsetting the purchase price with a grant. Other incentives include lower tax rates or exemption from certain taxes, and investment in charging infrastructure.

Companies selling EVs have partnered with local electric utilities to provide large incentives on some electric vehicles.

Public perception
A European survey based on climate found that as of 2022, 39% of European citizens tend to prefer hybrid vehicles, 33% prefer petrol or diesel vehicles, followed by electric cars which were preferred by 28% of Europeans. 44% Chinese car buyers are the most likely to buy an electric car, while 38% of Americans would opt for a hybrid car, 33% would prefer petrol or diesel, while only 29% would go for an electric car.

In a 2023 survey concentrated specifically on electric car ownership in the US, 50% of respondents planning to purchase a future car considered themselves unlikely to seriously consider buying an EV. The survey also found that support for banning the production of non-electric vehicles in the US by 2035 has declined from 47% to 40%.

Environmental considerations
By reducing types of air pollution, such as nitrogen dioxide, EVs could prevent hundreds of thousands of early deaths every year, especially from trucks and traffic in cities.

The full environmental impact of electric vehicles includes the life cycle impacts of carbon and sulfur emissions, as well as toxic metals entering the environment.

Rare-earth metals (neodymium, dysprosium) and other mined metals (copper, nickel, iron) are used by EV motors, while lithium, cobalt, manganese are used by the batteries. In 2023 the US State Department said that the supply of lithium would need to increase 42-fold by 2050 globally to support a transition to clean energy. Most of the lithium-ion battery production occurs in China, where the bulk of energy used is supplied by coal burning power plants. A study of hundreds of cars on sale in 2021 concluded that the life cycle GHG emissions of full electric cars are slightly less than hybrids and that both are less than gasoline and diesel fuelled cars. An alternative method of sourcing essential battery materials being deliberated by the International Seabed Authority is deep sea mining, however carmakers are not using this as of 2023.

Improved batteries
Advances in lithium-ion batteries, driven at first by the personal-use electronics industry, allow full-sized, highway-capable EVs to travel nearly as far on a single charge as conventional cars go on a single tank of gasoline. Lithium batteries have been made safe, can be recharged in minutes instead of hours (see recharging time), and now last longer than the typical vehicle (see lifespan). The production cost of these lighter, higher-capacity lithium-ion batteries is gradually decreasing as the technology matures and production volumes increase. Research is also underway to improve battery reuse and recycling, which would further reduce the environmental impact of batteries. Many companies and researchers are also working on newer battery technologies, including solid state batteries and alternate technologies.

Battery management and intermediate storage
Another improvement is to decouple the electric motor from the battery through electronic control, using supercapacitors to buffer large but short power demands and regenerative braking energy. The development of new cell types combined with intelligent cell management improved both weak points mentioned above. The cell management involves not only monitoring the health of the cells but also a redundant cell configuration (one more cell than needed). With sophisticated switched wiring, it is possible to condition one cell while the rest are on duty.

Hydrogen trains
Particularly in Europe, fuel-cell electric trains are gaining in popularity to replace diesel-electric units. In Germany, several Länder have ordered Alstom Coradia iLINT trainsets, in service since 2018, with France also planning to order trainsets. The United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Italy, Canada and Mexico are equally interested. In France, the SNCF plans to replace all its remaining diesel-electric trains with hydrogen trains by 2035. In the United Kingdom, Alstom announced in 2018 their plan to retrofit British Rail Class 321 trainsets with fuel cells.

Higher voltage outlets in garages of newly built homes
In New Mexico the government is looking to pass legislation mandating electrical receptacles that are higher voltage to be installed in garages of newly built homes. The NEMA 14-50 outlets provide 240 volts and 50 Amps for a total of 12.5 Kilowatts for level 2 charging of electric vehicles. Level 2 charging can add up to 30 miles of range per hour of charging compared to up to 4 miles of range per hour for level 1 charging from 120 volt outlets.

Bidirectional charging
General Motors (GM) is adding a capability called V2H, or bidirectional charging, to allow its new electric vehicles to send power from their batteries to the owner's home. GM will start with 2024 models, including the Silverado and Blazer EVs, and promises to continue the feature through to model year 2026. This could be helpful to the owner during unexpected power grid outages because an electric vehicle is a giant battery on wheels.

Infrastructure management
With the increase in number of electric vehicles, it is necessary to create an appropriate number of charging stations to supply the increasing demand, and a proper management system that coordinates the charging turn of each vehicle to avoid having some charging stations overloaded with vehicles and others empty.

Stabilization of the grid
Since EVs can be plugged into the electric grid when not in use, battery-powered vehicles could reduce the need for dispatchable generation by feeding electricity into the grid from their batteries during periods of high demand and low supply (such as just after sunset) while doing most of their charging at night or midday, when there is unused generating capacity. This vehicle-to-grid (V2G) connection has the potential to reduce the need for new power plants, as long as vehicle owners do not mind reducing the life of their batteries, by being drained by the power company during peak demand. Electric vehicle parking lots can provide demand response.

Current electricity infrastructure may need to cope with increasing shares of variable-output power sources such as wind and solar. This variability could be addressed by adjusting the speed at which EV batteries are charged, or possibly even discharged.

Some concepts see battery exchanges and battery charging stations, much like gas/petrol stations today. These will require enormous storage and charging potentials, which could be manipulated to vary the rate of charging, and to output power during shortage periods, much as diesel generators are used for short periods to stabilize some national grids.

Repair shops
The infrastructure for vehicle repairs after accidents is a concern for insurers and mechanics due to safety requirements. Batteries and other components must be carefully evaluated rather than being totally written off by insurers.

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I was just to the article on Cadillac, Michigan and note that they have a section that looks this this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 7&6=thirteen (talk • contribs) 20:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Climate
Cadillac experiences a typical northern Michigan climate, undergoing temperate seasonal changes, influenced by the presence of Lake Michigan and the inevitable lake effect. Winters are generally cold with large amounts of snowfall. Summers are warm. The average high temperature in July is 79 °F (26 °C) and the average low is in January, at 10 °F (-12 °C). Summer temperatures can exceed 90 °F (32 °C), and winter temperatures can drop below 0 °F (-18 °C). Average annual rainfall is 32 inches (81 cm), and average annual snowfall is 71 inches (180 cm). Snowfall typically occurs between the months of November and March.

I 've never done one of these. Is there somebody out there who can help. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 22:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)Stan

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Given the new slate of the board of commissioners, this article has seen a lot of edits recently. Specifically, there have been edits made regarding "far-right" vs. "reportedly far-right" (or similar verbiage), in terms of describing the new county board. Personally, the latter usage seems more consistent with a neutral point of view, but I'm curious to hear other's opinions. LimonesMI (talk) 20:24, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

 * It is important to attribute to who is describing the board as "far-right" and more recent edits have clarified this.--WMrapids (talk) 19:16, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

 * If that's the popular designation, fine - but it's gratuitous within the article to keep referring to it as the far-right county. It's designated in the opening paragraph, the claim is made, it's sourced, that's one argument. Sprinkling the phrase throughout the rest of the article is unnecessary. I removed the third instance of 'far right' because it wasn't needed. Benwetmore (talk) 19:42, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

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Cities, villages, townships, unincorporated communities, CDPs WE STILL NEED HELP
This County does not have any of this information in the article. We need help. 02:40, 9 January 2008 (UTC)Stan WE STILL NEED HELP!7&6=thirteen (talk) 01:19, 31 January 2008 (UTC)Stan I've begun the list. The Franklin internal link connects to the wrong Franklin. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 19:41, 5 February 2008 (UTC)Stan

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The correct flag has TWO stars, one blue and one yellow 47.40.177.156 (talk) 03:28, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

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http://ipoetry.us/Poems/The%20Meaning%20of%20Michigan%20County%20Names.pdf Shiawassee means the river straight ahead with the bright shiny gleam. In Chippewa/Ottawa, its name was likely “gwaiak-wasshkong-ziibii”. The name Shiawassee is similar to Tittabawasee. Tittabawassee means the turned or bent shining river --Manfariel (talk) 23:41, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

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Is the official name St. Clair County, or is it Saint Clair County? The lake is cited as Saint Clair, but I can't see reference to the full name anywhere else on the Internet... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:F470:E:D:65EC:8940:6A8D:7570 (talk) 05:28, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

3rd Oldest?
Isn't St. Clair County the 3rd oldest county in Michigan?

No, it is at least the sixth, after Wayne, Monroe (1817), Macomb (1818), Michilmackinac (renamed Mackinac) (1818), and Oakland (1820)

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im not satisfied with this artical casue it does not say what the 2008 population estimate is. and most counties now have the recent 2008 population estimates and i want to know for comparisons casue im trying to figure out how many people live in a 175 mile radius of Detroit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.164.107.144 (talk) 15:33, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

History section
In my opinion a fair bit of the material in this section is badly in need of some supporting references for what seems to me to be "original research". I removed some material from the article,simply because I grew suspicious of claims that were based on a supposition that "Iroquois" was a language. Deconstructhis (talk) 04:32, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

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Maps?
Could someone make a map showing where the townships in Washtenaw County are? It's basically a set of 4 squares north-south, 5 squares east-west, for twenty total, if one ignores the city boundaries. See also here.--Bhuck 09:11, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Except that it would be misleading to ignore city boundaries as cities are independent of townships. What you'd have would show survey township boundaries, but even these do not always correspond to civil township boundaries (which sometimes follow natural features rather than the survey lines -- though that is not the case in Washtenaw). older ≠ wiser 15:47, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

 * [] Is this what you were looking for?Keeperoftheseal 00:40, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

That would be a very nice addition to the article as an illustration, yes.--Bhuck 10:29, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I could probably copy the image from mapwashtenaw GIS but would that raise copyright issues? 23:04 EST

"Controversy Within The Ranks Of Government"
UPDATE: Anonymous user 71.238.11.109 added the following section of political commentary (indented below). I reverted this (and a couple of other changes), and copied the text here for discussion, but 71.238.11.109 has now restored the original text to the main page. Rather than revert a second time, I tagged the section as NPOV.

Maybe something can be done with this. Aside from the writing style, I don't think this essay is neutral or even factually correct. But due to my personal involvement in the county government, I'm not the best person to rewrite and condense this into NPOV encyclopedic language. Kestenbaum 06:02, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Controversy Within The Ranks Of Government

 * A somewhat scandelous and confusing ordeal has encompassed the county government in regards to the Sheriff department. Three townships within (August, Salem, and Ypsilanti) are suing the county government and the Sheriff for a controversial increase in service fees for police services. Currently local communities pay approximately $90,000 per year for one Deputy Sheriff officer per 36-38 hours of coverage per week. Projections have been layed out that this will double to approximately $180,000 per year in the next few years. The center of controversy is the fact that the county government is pressuring the small communities to sign extended contracts without any price negotiation or planning.

 * It should be known that most communities in the area provide their own police services in the $90,000 to $115,000 per officer range.

 * A recent election "cleaned house" and changed seats of the commissioners that sided with the County's budget changes that started this whole ordeal.

 * The Sheriff, Dan Minzey, is also suing the Board of Commissioners, the County, and the County Administrator Bob Guenzel.

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I think this is incomplete without any mention of the jail. Washtenaw County has the fewest jail beds per capita of any county in Michigan, and the jail is overcrowded and deteriorating. The commissioners are cutting the road patrol subsidy specifically to raise funds for needed renovations and expansion of the county jail. Since voters rejected raising taxes to fund the jail, cuts had to be made in discretionary spending like road patrol. Kestenbaum 23:10, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

UPDATE: I could not agree with you any more that reference should be made to that regarding how this all spawned from the desperate need for a new county jail. I actually thought about that earlier today and did not get enough time until to modify the post. I agree that we need a new jail and a new one now. I don't believe in taxing the life out of the townships though.

Now Larry you have to get something clear here --- you know damn well that charging $180,000 per deputy per year for 36-38hrs of coverage per week is ridiculous. The City of South Lyon has it at $104,000 per year per officer. My point is that it is immoral to "stick it to the townships" to pay for this jail. I am a resident of Salem Township. I know for a fact that Washtenaw County makes more money than we do off of our landfill. Not only do our residents pay a large amount in taxes to the county, WC also robs our golden goose from right under our nose. Why do Salem Township residents have to pay for part of a 14 million dollar homeless shelter? Why are they considering launching a countywide bus system that will charge our residents for something that they will never use? My question here --- why has and why does WC government blow away money on non-essential items and projects instead of maintaining core programs first?

At least hear me out on this --- the County/Township relationship has turned into that of late 18th century colonial America and Mother England. If WC keeps this junk up, expect to see a declaration of independence; probably word-for-word except instead of "King George has..." you will see "Washtenaw County has...".

How to fix the problem? Bob obviously is in the hardest of hard positions to be in right now. I do believe that he is faithfully attempting to make this work without malice but I do believe he approached it in the wrong direction.

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Problem with map
Redford Charter Township is colored gray. Phizzy (talk) 16:01, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Transportation
The list of routes, whereby factual, just seems a bit excessive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.125.9.26 (talk) 23:20, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Map of county needs rethinking, and listing former civil townships
As Phizzy noted three years ago, Redford's coloring is inconsistent with that of the other townships. But whatever fix is implemented, it's going to affect every map for every city and township in the county (except Redford). At the same time, it occurs to me that perhaps the maps for Michigan counties should distinguish between incorporated charter townships and unincorporated general law townships, say, with a patterned screen.

On a different subject, I propose that we add a section to either the article itself or the template Template:Wayne County, Michigan listing the former civil townships. See the article on Cook County, Illinois for an example of how this would look inline; I'm working on the template in my sandbox just for kicks. LibertyHiller (talk) 06:02, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Wayne County Road Commission

 * This is section to discuss proposal to merge Wayne County Road Commission into Wayne County, Michigan article.

The Wayne County Road Commission is now the Wayne County Department of Public Services. Instead of being a quasi-independent government agency, it is now integrated into the county governance structure for Wayne County, unlike the other 82 counties in the state. (County road commissions in Michigan are governed by a board of the county road commission. Their members may be elected or appointed, but the county commission/board does not handle the oversight of road functions, just like the sheriff is the elected official responsible for the oversight of the sheriff's department.)

In any case, the article in question is very short, and all of the pertinent content is located here except the list of bridges on the National Register of Historic Places, which is properly left to the National Register of Historic Places listings in Wayne County, Michigan article. Notability isn't inherited, and the WCRC article fails to establish the notability of the former agency. The bridges are notable, but that does not make the WCRC itself so.  Imzadi 1979  →   03:20, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

 * Thanks for setting up a merger proposal discussion, after I objected to your previously redirecting the Wayne County Road Commission article without any discussion. I restored the article.

 * Keep separate is my view. I think having a separate article is good and fine.  The proposed merger, if implemented as done by Imzadi1979 before, would lose the list together of works by the department.  The material is perhaps too long to be included in the Wayne County article.  It is fine in a separate article.  The list provides readers the means to navigate among the different works, and the article can be developed to include other, non NRHP-listed works.  Yes, the National Register of Historic Places listings in Wayne County, Michigan list does probably include all the currently mentioned works, but I can't find them all there.  There's too much other stuff.  It is impossible there for a reader to navigate among the Road Commission's works.  And it is impossible to add other works of the Road Commission to that list.  I wouldn't mind the separate article being revised to cover the entire modern department, too, in which case it could properly be renamed.  But if the list of works would be dropped, I would oppose that.  I oppose "merging" this in, if that would mean the material would be lost. -- do  ncr  am  03:32, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge - The commission is small enough of an agency that it can be covered in the main county article. Usually, only state-level road agencies are notable enough for their own articles. The list of bridges maintained by the agency is unneeded, it can be covered in the NRHP list for Wayne County.  Dough 48  72  03:39, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree that usually only state-level road agencies are notable enough. This is unusual, it is notable because it is so unusual as a county agency.  The sources in the article explain, this county was a leader, it was more advanced than the state agency.  It adopted certain bridge technologies before the state agency did.  It was hired by the state to do work, i think outside its county, because it was capable, while the state agency could not do that work.  It stands out in my experience working with NRHP database data as, i think, the only county bridge department having multiple (5 or more) works that are NRHP-listed, while there are numerous state ones.  The article can be developed more from the sources given. -- do  ncr  am  08:58, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * P.S. When starting the article, I only knew it was unusual among county depts for the number of NRHP bridges. Consulting the sources, from which I have now added more, I see that the commission was internationally known as a leader, and I think is quite notable on its own.  I think further development is called for, but it is expanded already and I think too large to be kept only within the county article.  Again to Dough4872 now, the list of bridges is not a list of bridges merely maintained, it is a starter list of works BY the commission;  these works are notable enough to be listed on the National Register of Historic Places, which says something. -- do  ncr  am  09:38, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Old municipal websites
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Chicago, Chisago -- is one a corruption of the other?216.50.220.8 (talk) 06:12, 8 February 2012 (UTC) No, most likely not. CHICAGO and CHISAGO are two completely different names derived from two different languages: "Chisago" is short for "Ki-chi-saga-igun" (or "Gichi-zaaga'igan" in the contemporary spelling) in the Ojibwe language. The name "Chicago" is derived from a French rendering of the Native American word shikaakwa, translated as "wild onion" or "wild garlic", from the Miami-Illinois language.

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