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I erased the 'legend tripping' section, the information within seems to have been taken entirely from the site 'ghostsofamerica.com', which is primarily a hoax site in which seemingly every town in America is furnished with several bogus ghost sightings or urban legends. The exact same text recurs time and time again, with only the place names changed. By browsing a few towns or states the nature of this site can be seen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.93.227 (talk) 18:04, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

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The 12:35, 6 April 2008 Nyttend version of this article is translated into Chinese Wikipedia.--Wing (talk) 17:52, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

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A news story about someone from this town does not make it notable enough to earn mention on the town's article. Articles are about the town, not the stupid people who come from themm or even the famous people who come from them. I know of no articles on towns which dedicate entire sections to someone who has 15 minutes of fame or 15 minutes of infamy. If you want to create an article on this minor controversy, please create a seperate article to discuss the subject matter. This matter is wholly irrelevant to an encyclopedic entry on a town.

And no, taste has absolutely nothing to do with this edit. This is an encyclopedia, not an emotional piece. The359 ( Talk ) 19:05, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The person in question entered the news as a result of being a publicly elected official in the town. I therefore maintain that it IS relevant to the town and does deserve to be in this article.  If he had made public comments while a private citizen, tben I would agree with you.  But he was a member of the school board and his comments attracted attention to the town from across the entire world.  So yes, the article does need to address this.  --Stenun (talk) 19:37, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Again, does every town have a section on every famous or infamous elected official? No, because these people have their own independent articles.  Someone with 15 minutes of fame does not deserve an entire section dedicated to a town.

 * I would also argue that the school district covers the entire Independence County, Arkansas, and does not relate specifically to this town, nor was he elected solely by this town. Please see Midlands School District, Arkansas (also up for deletion after being created solely by this controversy) for more information on this.  So, again, no, this is not related to this specific town or the article on the town, it is related to a person and a school board.  The359  ( Talk ) 19:49, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

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The History of Calico Rock, Arkansas

Calico Rock, located on the White River in Izard County, developed as a steamboat landing originally known as Calico Landing. Keelboats had worked the upper White River as early as 1820, followed by paddle wheelers carrying merchandise and passengers from as far away as New Orleans, Louisiana. It became a boomtown in 1902, when construction began on the railroad as tracks were laid along the north bank, beneath the bluffs. The settlement was the headquarters for railroad construction crews. In 1902, the St. Louis and Iron Mountain Railway opened rail service there. Calico Rock was the largest town in Izard County through the 1960s.

European Exploration and Settlement through Early Statehood While the region’s early history is obscure, it was a wild and unsettled region before the Louisiana Purchase, when law placed heavy restrictions on travel by pioneers. Before it was settled, it already bore the name “calico rocks” because of the wide strips of color—blue, black, gray, red, and orange—giving the appearance of alternate widths of calico cloth on the bluffs bordering the river on the north. No other city in the United States has this name.

Early French explorers took note of the pristine beauty of the river valley, naming the river “La Rivière Blanche.” In writing of his tours of Missouri and Arkansas in 1818 and 1819, author, scientist, and explorer Henry R. Schoolcraft referred to the shore as “calico rock.”

Many Native American artifacts have been discovered in the area. Land in this region along the south side of the White River had been ceded to the Cherokee. The Cherokee were never moved onto the land, but the Shawnee tribe was moved there in 1819. The area’s first white settlers had a good relationship with these Indians, hunting, farming, and trading together. The Shawnee seemed to relocate from the area by the mid-1850s. The Benge Trail of Tears passed about three miles east of town. The Flood of 1927 unearthed a Native American burial ground immediately across the river from the business district.

Calico Rock’s boat landing was at the river’s confluence with Calico Creek, which flows between the two bluff formations on the river’s north bank. It was the most popular docking site above Batesville (Independence County), which was as far upstream on the upper White as steamboats could navigate.

The first post office was established in 1851. By November 1852, the post office closed and was not reestablished until May 1879, with William M. Aikin as postmaster.

In 1857, the first of several stores opened, this one operated by Bartley Kennedy. The same year, Robert C. Matthews opened a store, which closed at the outset of the Civil War.

Civil War through the Gilded Age While there was some skirmishing in and around Calico Rock during the Civil War, there was considerable jayhawking, including general harassment, stealing, looting, and burning. This, along with the commerce around the boat landing and the arrival of railroad construction crews, caused Calico Rock to acquire a reputation as a tough frontier town.

By 1867, Reconstruction had begun. A man named Ellis opened a new general mercantile business in town, followed by Albert Edmonston’s opening a business of his own in 1871. A firm known as Sams — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevlmatthews (talk • contribs) 20:50, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Ghost town in Calico Rock!
Unfortunately, the so called Ghost Town in Calico Rock is nothing more than a few old falling down buildings that aren't worth any trip to go see. Even the townsfolk don't like the idea of the "Ghost Town" either! However, there are some very nice shops and a very nice restaurant right along main street just north of the bridge that do make a trip to Calico worthwhile. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.216.225.209 (talk) 03:32, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

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Local rumor in the area of Jacksonport says that when the capital of Arkansas was being moved from Arkansas Post, Jacksonport lost the vote to become the capital by a single vote. I couldn't quickly find a reference online that said the same, so I'm putting this here as opposed to the main page.

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Crime
Could it not be wise to add this as a section? Pine Bluff is one of the most crime-ridden cities in the USA, speaking in index offenses.
 * Indeed, Morgan Quitno rated Pine Bluff as the third most dangerous metropolitan area in 2006. See http://www.morganquitno.com/cit07pop.htm#METRO and Morgan Quitno. So a crime section would definitely be called for. Livedo 03:40, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Again in 2008. I added a sentence about it, but it probably deserves at least a paragraph explaining the circumstances if anyone can find good source material.71.182.244.27 (talk) 20:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 👁🕳?Ligne des Pins ( Pine Ping Link me! ) 04:08, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

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As a child in Pine Bluff, we were told a story about how the Arkansas River was diverted away from 1st street. We were told that a local effort was mounted to save 1st street and the court house from falling into the river. Indeed, I have seen pictures of this in the Arkansas History classes we took in school. As it was told, after digging across the river's ox bow the state stepped in and said it was against the law to change the natural course of the Arkansas River. Mysteriously, the levee holding the water back from the newly dug river channel was blown up late one night, thus diverting the water away from the town. It is pretty obvious that what is now called Slack Water Harbor was once the Arkansas River. The question you have to ask is did the cut across the old ox bow in the river magically happen due to flooding just in time to save the town, or did someone dig it and forever alter the course of the Arkansas river. It was certainly before my time. But, it does make for a colorful, if not officially sanctioned, piece of Pine Bluff history. By: David Johnson PBHS Class of 1979

The Pine Bluff Chamber of Commerce has edited this article under the user name Pbchamber. Also, this article was the subject of a television segment run on KTHV. Please be wary of hagiography. Kelly Martin (talk) 00:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Another questionable description — this time regarding the Pine Bluff Civic Center — was removed, noting that it was "now a run-down mess." But the website from the Pine Bluff Convention & Visitors Bureau paints a different picture. So, which is it... a crumbling heap, or a serviceable building? — ArkansasTraveler 13:58, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The Convention Center is, while not perhaps the place it once was, still a perfectly servicable building. Basketball games, graduation ceremonies, and other events are still often held in the large (and in my opinion, decently maintained) arena and the auditorium is still in active use as well.  Although it is perhaps not *the* biggest and fanciest convention center in Arkansas any longer (the one in Hot Springs, Arkansas was recently constructed and is more frequently used to my knowledge) it is far from a "crumbling heap." Diagonalfish 14:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

No evidence of vandalism from the Pine Bluff chamber, for example this edit which actually reverted vandalism. ⟳ ausa کui × 16:22, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Nope. They have carefully avoided adding suspicious nonsense to it, and instead have only performed vandalism removal.  Most of the brochure-like babble contained in the article dates from a much earlier date. I have tried to cut back on the glittering adjectives and other stuff that made it sound like an ad in places, as well as nuked a few sneaky edits from people like Montyhall. Diagonalfish 16:57, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

The City of Pine Bluff is taking great strides to improve the cities image. Mayor Carl Redus is working dilagently to improve the community and to develope programs to clean up the city (aesthetically, economically, etc). Many new businesses are setting up shop in Pine Bluff and more and more activities are being held at Regional Park. Thanks to the work of Mayor Redus and others in local government, Pine Bluff is morphing into an exciting and inviting city.

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A comment that the city was served by Greyhound was removed, though you can book bus travel to and from Pine Bluff on greyhound.com. Though they seem to use affiliate carriers, such as Jefferson Lines. This should be clarified by someone more familiar with the facts on the ground. -- Beland 14:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

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Im am writing in regards to the noteworthy natives section of the Pine Bluff page. I wondering how you can edit without it being deleted and what information you need to verify the edit.
 * It would help if they already had an article here on wikipedia, or ref links and citations that some how proved they were actually notable for something other than living in PB. I.e., your cousin who is the bass player in the band who plays at the local club on friday night prolly wont cut it, even if they got a review in the local paper, lol. Hope that helps.Heironymous Rowe (talk) 20:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

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User:Jmmyjam, A very short description, profession, etc. will suffice, there is no need to add overly flowery adjective laden spiels denoting their every accomplishment, position held or award won. Those sort of materials belong in their respective articles. Please stop adding this material back into the article.  He  iro 00:11, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Since you haven't replied to my responses here Content noticeboard, I'll also post them here: Adding adjectives such as "Nationally acclaimed", "Regionally acclaimed", "Pioneering" to multiple entries or a list of an artists patrons hardly fit into those categories. As for policies, I believe this part of the Manual of Style Manual of Style (words to watch) applies to this situation.  He  iro 03:51, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

On your addition of a "Notable facts" section, per the Manual of Style (trivia sections) these should be avoided. All the relevant information should be worked into the appropriate part of the body of the article, not added as a bulleted list.  He  iro 18:29, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * As you are now moving all of the information mentioned above, would you mind citing it to the sources from which you are obtaining it? This article is poorly referenced enough as it is and it would really help it out. If you are unsure how, here is a link Template messages/Sources of articles/Citation quick reference.  He  iro 01:41, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

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"Ideal" Unemployment
As stated in the footnote and the entry below, I have adhered to consensus macro economics in the recomposition although necessarily there are connections to Marxist thought. It deserves mention however, although it practically constitutes original or at least novel interdisciplinary research to do so, that wrt to the notion of the mathematically optimal level of employment it is equivalent to utopian scientific socialism. Nonetheless it is conceptually sound and probably occupies the rightful place of "Ideal" unemployment, i.e. for a given level of technical capability there is clearly an optimal scheduling of the available labor, for moral as well as pragmatic reasons. It is probably immediately intuitively obvious to most readers that this ideal allocation is nowhere near having been effected by markets and other existing mechanisms so that relative to this ideal they are a) grossly inefficient and b) wholly without means for adapting the one to the other or c) making circulation make sense at the global macroeconomic level generally at all. 74.78.162.229 (talk) 17:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

 * Let me add also, that from a common-sense point of view, and by definition, relative to the total available supply of human resources, the imagination is literally beggared to say that society cannot define/assign at least an equal demand. It will be more or less immediately evident to most that the possibilities of such demand are only practically limited by the quality of the supply and the mode in which the society produces goods and services in response to such demand. 74.78.162.229 (talk) 13:57, 18 June 2008 (UTC) 18 Harvest, 4706 公元 Wed 09:56:33 EDT

 * Above both me too FTR. Lycurgus (talk) 20:25, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

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That about Australia - you should be aware that commitments were actually made to a number of things at the same time, and only one was full employment. There didn't appear to be any conflict among the objectives at the time, but since then things like protecting the currency have worked out as higher priorities in practice. PML. 10:14, Jul 29, 2003 203.202.5.75

 * The White Paper, Full Employment in Australia, was tabled in the House of Representatives in 1945 by itself, not so much as economic policy but as social policy. It wasn't totally altruistic however - Prime Minister John Curtin, Treasurer & Post-War Reconstruction Minister Chifley and Manpower Minister Dedman were also trying to pacify the trade union movement which was fearful of a tidal wave of returned servicemen "taking our jobs" and driving down wages (as happened after 1918). Nonetheless, it was a very successful full employment policy that lasted three decades, and is worthy of mention in this article. The international OPEC crisis and recurrent inflationary episodes in the 1970s re-focussed governments on "Fighting Inflation First", as Malcolm Fraser put it. An excellent rundown on the history of unemployment in Australia can be found in Work For All by John Langmore MP, published around 1993. --Humehwy 20:37, Jul 2, 2004 (UTC)

the current version of this article says that "The 20th century British economist John Maynard Keynes stated that an unemployment rate of 3% was full employment." Are you sure that Keynes did so? wasn't it William Beveridge? Jim 17:43, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

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The mid part of this article reads like "Blah Blah Blah" to me. Wouldn't a definition of full employment be something like "Anyone who wants a job, has a job"? I know in places like Alberta, Canada, the number of job vacantcies exceeds the number of avaliable workers, while there are still people on welfare and homeless without jobs. I've read that 3% unemployment = my definition of "Anyone who wants a job, has a job." 206.116.184.155 (talk) 16:12, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * By not taking vacancies into account, the analysis that the mentioned economists provided is very poor. The natural rate of unemployment is rather when unemployment and vacancies are in balance, i.e. neither employers nor workers have the power to change conditions in their favour because of one-sided rationing. In a simplified model: if U=V then wage inflation is zero. How high the percentage of unemployment is in that situation depends on how well the market clears. This is not fixed, but can be influenced by labour market policies. Guido den Broeder (talk) 21:21, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

bourgeois economists
I'm pretty sure someone can do better than use the expression "bourgeois" economists in the first paragraph? Cretog8 (talk) 20:58, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

 * "Non-Marxian" would be the equivalent but more awkward usage. The explanatory footnote re the basis of conventional (i.e. ones that presume the capitalist mode of production and are therefore bourgeois and Non-Marxian) macroeconomics is what you reverted. You may be unaware of the fact but much of mathematical economics presumes for example, Marxian value theory so it is an objective base against which a particular means of production which has become ubiquitous is contrasted. Lycurgus (talk) 20:22, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Note A NYT editorial in re the current turmoil in the paradigmatic basis of the dismal pseudo science. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 14:37, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

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Dr. Mandelman has reviewed this Wikipedia page, and provided us with the following comments to improve its quality:

"The diagram of macroeconomic circulation is not suitable to illustrate this concept. It should be removed.

The analysis requires to highlight alternative measures of "labor market slack". In particular, the wiki entry should mention that federal reserve officials closely follow the "U6" measure which also includes *discouraged and marginally attached workers* as well as those forced to work part time for pure economic reasons. To put an example. The official unemployment rate (U3) may be at "full employment" levels, but inflationary pressures will remain subdued if there is an "army" of workers that are part-timers and happy work more hours at a given level of nominal wages. A non technical summary like the one below (quickly found with google) maybe useful in this section: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/06/whats-the-real-unemployment-rate.html"

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Valerie Hamilton, Lady Goulding (12 September 1918 – 28 July 2003) was an Irish campaigner for disabled people, and senator who set up the Central Remedial Clinic in 1951 alongside Kathleen O'Rourke which is now the largest organisation in Ireland looking after people with physical disabilities. She served as a member of Seanad Éireann from 1977 to 1981.

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Born Valerie Hamilton Monckton, she was the only daughter of Mary Adelaide Somes Colyer-Ferguson and Sir Walter Monckton (later 1st Viscount Monckton of Brenchley). She was born at Ightham Mote, which was owned by her maternal grandfather, Sir Thomas Colyer-Fergusson, until his death in 1951. Her only brother, Gilbert, became a Major general in the British Army. She was educated at Downe House School, near Newbury. Both Valerie and her brother, Gilbert, would ultimately convert to Roman Catholicism.

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Career
In World War II, she joined the First Aid Nursing Yeomanry before switching to the Auxiliary Territorial Service. In Dublin for a race meeting in 1939, she met and soon married Irish fertiliser manufacturer and art collector Sir Basil Goulding and moved to Ireland. However, her husband moved to England to join the RAF, ending the war as a Wing commander; meanwhile, she served as a second lieutenant in the British Army. After the war, the couple returned to Ireland, where Sir Basil and his family managed Goulding Chemicals.

In 1951, she co-founded, with Kathleen O'Rourke, the Central Remedial Clinic located in a couple of rooms in central Dublin, to provide non-residential care for disabled people. The Clinic later moved to a purpose building in Clontarf in 1968, where it is located today. The Clinic's foundation initiated a revolution in the treatment of physical disability and rapidly grew to by far the largest centre dealing with the needs of disabled people. Lady Goulding remained chairman and managing director of the CRC until 1984.

On account of her widespread popularity, she was nominated by the Taoiseach, Jack Lynch, to Seanad Éireann, where she worked to raise awareness of disability issues in 1977. She sought election to Dáil Éireann as a Fianna Fáil candidate at the November 1982 general election for the Dún Laoghaire constituency but was unsuccessful. She was spoken of as a possible President of Ireland in 1983, should the president, Patrick Hillery, decline to seek a second term. (Hillery ultimately was re-elected).

Family
Lady Goulding died in a nursing home on 28 July 2003 in Dublin, aged 84. She was predeceased by her husband, Sir Basil Goulding, in 1982. Her eldest son, Sir William Goulding, known as Lingard Goulding, served as Headmaster of Headfort School in County Meath; the other sons are Hamilton and Timothy of Dr. Strangely Strange.

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The Bertone Blitz is an electric concept car produced in 1992 by the Italian design house Bertone and introduced at the 1992 Turin Auto Show.

Specifications
The Blitz is built on a steel tube frame chassis with fiberglass panels over top, giving it a weight of 650 kg, 260 kg of which is the lead acid batteries. It features an open top, two seater layout with the passenger seat mounted to the side, but offset back, from the driver seat. The interior is made from carbon fiber, with the seats being integrated into the tub, fitted with small pieces of colorful padding over top. The Blitz is powered by two 36 hp (continuous output) DC motors for a combined total of 56 kW and 95 Nm (70 ft·lbf) of torque, allowing it to accelerate from 0 to 62 mph in 6 seconds. It has a range of 62 mi on a single charge and it can be recharged within 4 to 6 hours.

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Talk:Prism (optics)

Bit Rot
This page is in serious need of work. Some mystical rubbish has crept in here about refraction of Dark.

I don't like to flag work needing attention, but I'm battling on other fronts right now. — Xiong 熊 talk * 23:29, 2005 August 7 (UTC)

The caption to the first image doesn't make sense to me — what does such that the colored edges meet mean? I will change this unless someone can explain. Michael Fourman 07:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't have time to think about it right now, but it sounds similar to some of the things discussed in the Theory of Colours article. The gist of that is that the familiar spectrum we think of coming out of a prism only appears if the beam of white light is narrow. If the beam is wider, one sees a white beam with coloured edges come out of the prism, not a traditional spectrum. Goethe (the author of Theory of Colours) developed a theory of colour based on this. While Newton's work best addresses the physical properties of light, Goethe's model perhaps better deals with the peculiarities of colour perception in human beings.--Srleffler 08:11, March 6, 2007 (EST)

Shape of Prism
Note: "Traditionally, these prisms are built with a triangular base and rectangular sides." Shouldn't this be rectangular base with triangular sides? -- 217.129.246.156

 * Sorry, no. The object you describe is a pyramid.

 * In geometry, a prism is any solid generated by extrusion of a polyhedron. The classic optical prism is generated by extruding a triangle, which is its base. It is a right prism, so its sides are rectangles. — Xiong 熊 talk * 02:05, 2005 August 26 (UTC)

What are the shortest and longest spectrum wavelengths capable of being dispersed by a prism?

Any wavelengths that can be transmitted through the material of the prism can be dispersed. Typical optical glass transmits from somewhere in the near ultra-violet up to a few microns wavelength (near infra-red). Other optical materials may transmit a wider range of wavelengths.--Srleffler 12:17, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

DSOM
I removed the following from the article, but perhaps we should have a discussion about it:

Prisms in popular culture
 * The cover of the popular Pink Floyd's album The Dark Side of the Moon features a famous picture of a refracting prism

This keeps popping up in the article. The fact that someone used a prism on an album cover once is just not that important a fact about prisms, even if the album does happen to be especially famous. It is barely justifiable to even link to DSOM from here. Since the person who added the above felt it was confusing having a link in the See also section, I removed the DSOM reference from the article altogether.--Srleffler 02:33, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

what are prisms made from?
I came here to find out what prisms are made from, and I still don't know. glass? crystals? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raw melk (talk • contribs)
 * It says "the glass of the prism" in the 2nd paragraph. But any transparent material will do. Han-Kwang 22:14, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Yes, typically glass, but sometimes prisms can be made out of plastic instead. Prisms made out of crystals are also pretty common; especially for polarizing prisms.--Srleffler 05:41, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Confusion
In the beginning of the article, it is said that "In optics, a prism is a device used to refract light, reflect it or break it up (to disperse it) into its constituent spectral colours". From this I would suppose that there are refractive, reflective and dispersive prisms. But later in the article, prisms are classifed as reflective, dispersive or polarizing. Could we make this more clear? Jorge Peixoto 10:58, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Han-Kwang 11:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Prism definition
Srleffler reverted two changes that I made:
 * with flat polished surfaces that are not parallel to each other. - What is wrong with this? Anything that classifies as an optical prism should have at least one pair of flat optical surfaces that are nonparallel. Otherwise it is simply called a substrate, optical window, or rod. From the Melles Griot catalog: "...blocks of optical material with flat, polished sides arranged at precisely controlled angles..."
 * If not indicated otherwise, the term prism usually refers to a triangular prism - My main argument is that about half of the articles that linked to prism (optics) use wordings similar to "the light was sent through a prism" and were actually referring to triangular prisms to disperse light. (I changed most of them to direct to triangular prism (optics)). Although in optics catalogs such as those from Melles Griot, Newport, and Thorlabs, prisms are always specified as "right-angle prism", "equilateral dispersing prism", "penta prism", it seems that in colloquial usage the word "prism" most often refers to a triangular dispersing prism. A google search on "prism light" confirms this. I think the article should respect this common usage. Maybe the wording "usually refers to" was too strong; how about "in colloquial usage, the term 'prism' most often refers to a triangular dispersing prism"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hankwang (talk • contribs) Nov. 30 2006

 * My main reason for the change to the first sentence was that it failed to specify that a prism is an optical device, and failed to give any indication of its purpose. Instead, it said that a prism is a "transparent object...with flat polished surfaces that are not parallel to each other". Function is more important than form: A prism is an optical device that refracts light at flat optical surfaces. Also, in general some of the surfaces can be parallel to other surfaces. Your version implied that this was not the case. I understand your concern though with distinguishing it from a window or flat. We can probably come up with wording that addresses both of our concerns.
 * Yes, "usually refers to" was too strong, and isn't true within the field of optics. I'm fine with a statement about common colloquial or historical usage.--Srleffler 15:31, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Newton
There have been several attempts to rephrase the paragraph on Newton, which I believe change the intended meaning of the paragraph. If I am right, there are a couple of sentences that are poorly phrased, which are leading to confusion. I would rephrase them, but need confirmation that my interpretation is correct. The section in question reads: "Isaac Newton first thought that prisms split colors out of colorless light. Newton placed a second prism such that a separated color would pass through it and found the color unchanged. He concluded that prisms separate colors."

I believe what is intended here, is that Newton at first thought that prisms produce colors in some fashion from light that is intrinsically colorless (white). By performing the experiment described, he convinced himself that prisms separate preexisting colors, and therefore that white light is not colorless, but rather is composed of a mixture of colors. If I am right, the paragraph needs to be rephrased, because other editors seem to routinely miss the fact that a change in Newton's point of view is seen here. What is needed is a confirmation of this statement from an external source, so we can verify what meaning was intended.--Srleffler 00:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but this is my fault. Quite some time back, it was I that added the word 'colourless' in the place of 'white' light. I did this because today it is often assumed that colourless light is white. Someone subsequently didn't see the sense of it, and rewrote the sentence by adding the phrase, 'first thought' -- and this changed the meaning enough that it devolved into the subtle shift you noted above. There is no change in Newton's thought here from colourless to white. He assumed it was white all along, and used the experiment crucis to prove his point. Johnrpenner 16:43, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Explanation first, then history
I have moved the "history" section back after the "how prisms work" section. It is often better in science articles to explain the substance of a topic before the history of the subject. How things work is fundamental in a science article. The history of how something was discovered is of secondary importance. Additionally, the text in the "history" section is not really a history of prisms, but a much narrower bit of history about how the spectrum came to be understood using prisms. --Srleffler (talk) 05:27, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

 * nice edit. now we're two steps closer to the great overhaul this article needs. Johnrpenner (talk) 15:17, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

i still don't get how to refract the light from a prism, it didn't explain theat whatsoever, do you shine it through the face, a corner? please could someone clarify? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.33.18.41 (talk) 22:47, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Where did this history section go you speak of?! Someone please bring it back, I'm having a hard time finding anything online referencing the origins of the optical prism. -Luminaux (talk) 02:41, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It's still there. The section was retitled Prisms and the nature of light. It isn't really what you're looking for. --Srleffler (talk) 05:25, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Just how old are prisms, anyway? Newton used them, sure, but what's the oldest recorded instance of a prism? How long have they been around? Alphapeta (talk) 07:11, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Deviation angle
I'm not sure the new section on deviation angle should stay as it is. The form given is only a good approximation if the wedge angle of the prism is small. It's great for a thin wedge, but I'm not sure if it's accurate enough to use for a more typical dispersing prism. Perhaps it would be better to not try to derive a formula, but just give the accurate expression without derivation.--Srleffler (talk) 04:24, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

I unintentionally undid Srleffler's edit here, which was removing a link to dispersion. This happened because I was making a major edit to the same page and the merge editor couldn't parse the differences easily because there were so many. I still think the link is a good idea, since dispersion is not explained on this page. Note that there are two types of dispersion here, and they're not the same thing: spectral dispersion (dependence of deviation angle on wavelength) and glass dispersion (dependence of refractive index on wavelength). This may confuse some people, and so I think a link is a good way of helping people out.NathanHagen (talk) 02:04, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I understand about the edit conflict, but disagree about the value of the link. Even if the page needed a second link to the article on dispersion, the place where you put it is not the right place. You linked dispersion at the end of a section that has dispersion in its section heading, with two previous uses of the term in that section alone. If the article needed a second link to the article, it would have to go at the beginning of that section.
 * There is no difference between "spectral dispersion" and "glass dispersion". They are the same thing. The refractive index varies with wavelength. By Snell's law, this causes angle of refraction to vary with wavelength. --Srleffler (talk) 02:28, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I removed the confusion by removing the confusing use of "dispersion" to refer to variation in angle of refraction with wavelength.--Srleffler (talk) 02:43, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Dispersion image
MaterialScientist, why did you delete the animated image of wave dispersion in a prism? Your edit summary describes the image as misleading. How so?--Srleffler (talk) 06:48, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe the top image it is an illustration "dumbed down too much", as it shows optical waves flowing through air with wrong speed and size. They are also mysteriously coherent. The image under is uncomparably better to my eye - it is more "real", and correctly shows all beams (reflection too). Why using incorrect simulation when the real prism action is illustrative enough? Materialscientist (talk) 07:03, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The lower second illustration worries me a bit. It appears to show all of the dispersion happening at the exit face of the prism, which is wrong. I'm not sure if this is a rendering error, or if the angular spread inside the prism is just too small to see. Besides illustrating the important relationship between wave speed in the medium and dispersion, the animated image illustrates the important point that the dispersion happens inside the prism, not when the waves exit. Illustrations of prism dispersion so often fail to illustrate this correctly.--Srleffler (talk) 01:33, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The middle image is also a simulation, as obvious upon magnification and from absence of reflection from the 2nd interface. The bottom (added) is real, unfortunately with an unpolished side faces. I guess we often don't see colors inside the prism because of insufficient dispersion (within the beam divergence) and because of extra diffusion (color mixup) due to scattering inside the prism (we see the inside beam only because of scattering on glass inhomogeneities). I'll revert myself. Materialscientist (talk) 05:25, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

I like the animated schematic illustration. It shows how the different colors correspond to different wavelengths, and different speeds inside the prism, and how these relate to the different angles. The other one is good, too, but doesn't connect to wavelength and speed at all. Dicklyon (talk) 07:12, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, if illustrating the propagation speed is essential then I might be wrong. Materialscientist (talk) 07:33, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

 * I think the animation is very good and should be kept. Dauto (talk) 17:40, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it should be kept per User:Dicklyon. The relative wavelengths, and speeds might even be more intelligible if the image was larger (just a thought). Steve Quinn (talk) 22:28, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The new image in the lead of the Optics article does not serve the article as well as either of the other two in this page. In my (humble) opinion, this image needs to be removed. (Sorry). I prefer image that was there in the first place. Steve Quinn (talk) 06:32, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

The previous image (middle here) was misleading in being neat and looking like real photo, yet showing no dispersion inside the prism and no reflection on its second face. I've boldly replaced with the bottom one, which is real, but ugly. I would only welcome if someone finds a better lead image. Materialscientist (talk) 06:58, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Inconsistency in Illustrations
[Moved to end by srleffler. Poster presumably did not see the discussion above.]

is it only me, or does anyone else think it is inconsistent for the two prism illustrations to show two different things within the same article?

the first illustration clearly shows a white beam of light entering the prism, and It Stays White inside the prism, and you see the colours fanning out -- only after the second refraction -- where it EXITS the prism.

the second illustration shows a white beam of light entering the prism -- where you see the colours begin to fan-out WITHIN the prism, and then they exit the prism even further fanned-out from the second refraction.

they can't both be right -- so which is it!? are the colours fanned out when they ENTER the prism, or when they EXIT the prism? -- and who is going to remove the incorrect illustration, or make sure that both illustrations show the same thing? Johnrpenner (talk) 01:22, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

 * The first illustration is flawed, although the actual best way to illustrate this is not so clear. I removed the flawed image, and added a photograph further down in the article.

 * Light definitely begins to fan out as soon as it enters the prism. Different colours of light refract at different angles at the entrance face, and again at the exit face. One doesn't normally see the individual colours within the prism for several reasons. First, as noted above, the side faces of the prism are often not transparent. Even if they are transparent, the scattering of light inside the prism is weak and may be overwhelmed by multiple reflections of beams off of the surfaces. More fundamentally, though, the colours only become apparent when the beam has spread enough that they no longer overlap. The beam has to be extremely narrow to see colours inside the prism. (See Theory of Colours for more on what happens when you put wide beams of light through dispersive prisms.)

 * Because of the complexity of what actually happens inside the prism, I prefer the animation already present in the article, which doesn't attempt to show how the light in the prism looks, but rather shows schematically what is happening. If we want to see what the phenomenon looks like, we are better off with a photograph, which shows us how it actually looks rather than how someone thinks it ought to look.--Srleffler (talk) 02:13, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Merge with Dispersive prism
See Talk:Dispersive prism. --Hans Dunkelberg (talk) 10:54, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Need a source for Newtons prism experiment influencing Locke and metaphysics
Especially since Neither of those articles mention Newtons prism experiments. - Rod57 (talk) 23:36, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

History: explanation of color by wave theory
I disagree with this edit by UpdateNerd. I have several problems with it: I don't see a better way to fix this than to revert to my previous suggestion "...to show that spectral color is the visible manifestation of the wavelength of light." Rather than immediately reverting before there's an opportunity for discussion I'll instead replace the disputed phrase with "...to explain how color arises from the spectrum of light", which I think is inferior, but at least not nonsense. I'm open to suggestions, but lacking any will eventually revert to my preferred phrase.--Srleffler (talk) 06:30, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The phrase "...to show that color is the visible portion of light's wavelengths" is nonsense. I cannot parse any true meaning from this phrase. UpdateNerd's previous suggestion "...to show that color is the visible manifestation of light" is no better. Perhaps this sentence can be interpreted in some way that I'm missing, but I don't see it.
 * The edit loses the point of the sentence, which was that changing from a particle model to a wave model of light explained what color is. No, color is not "the visible portion of light's wavelengths", nor is it "the visible manifestation of light".
 * I tried to deal with the concern that light could have multiple wavelengths and some of the complexities of human color vision by making the sentence explicitly about spectral color, which is by definition a property of monochromatic light. Spectral color is strictly correlated with the light's wavelength. UpdateNerd's edit defeated this by piping spectral color to "color". This is also an inappropriate link. Spectral color and color are not the same thing.
 * The link visible portion violates MOS:EGG. The phrase "visible portion" is not a synonym for "visible spectrum". The same was true of visible manifestation in UpdateNerd's previous version. With the link to Spectral color, I don't see a need to link to Visible spectrum at all in this sentence.
 * Without being very familiar with the science being discussed, I think I prefer "...to explain how color arises from the spectrum of light", as it sounds the most objective. UpdateNerd (talk) 06:49, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2021
Offical book (talk) 13:58, 13 May 2021 (UTC) There’s some kids make fun of prism and make a joke called Angarano Prism so i want to make a joke under the blog please
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:07, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 7 September 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. No primary topic can be determined, as the discussion's investigations into both usage and long-term significance yielded no single primary topic via either route. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 15:35, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

– No WP:primary topic between the optics topic and the geometry topic (Prism (geometry)). Most dictionaries and encyclopedias put the geometry topic first, then optics after. There doesn’t appear to be a historical reason why we currently have optics at the base name. Onceinawhile (talk) 00:23, 7 September 2022 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Prism → Prism (optics)
 * Prism (disambiguation) → Prism
 * Then you are also claiming that Prism (disambiguation) should move to Prism per WP:DABNAME? Steel1943  (talk) 04:53, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you. Onceinawhile (talk) 07:49, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * All right, I updated the request. Steel1943  (talk) 13:39, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Clear primary topic as far as most people are concerned. Not mathematical scholars maybe, but most other people. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:40, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Prisms in geometry form part of primary education in most major countries. Prisms in optics are part of secondary education. So your statement above is true only if you consider average 11 years olds to be mathematical scholars. Onceinawhile (talk) 19:32, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I suspect if you interviewed a number of primary school students in major countries, most would identify a "prism" as the thing that refracts light rather than the geometric object. Nobody other than a mathematician hears "prism" and thinks of anything else.--Srleffler (talk) 21:27, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * That would argue for Dispersive prism to be moved to Prism. The current article is about the entire family of optical prisms. I see from your biography that you are a specialist in optics, so I acknowledge you know more about this than me. Perhaps we can agree to disagree on what stage optics are taught at school, and how "core" geometry is vs. optics in the tree of human knowledge. Onceinawhile (talk) 10:18, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Really? I wasn't even taught about the geometric form in secondary education as far as I remember, let alone primary! But everyone knows what the optical one is; it's even entered speech beyond its scientific usage. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:48, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * see for the Common Core Grade 1 geometry in the United States and  here for Key Stage 1/2 National Curriculum in the United Kingdom. This is the two largest English speaking countries. Both teach prisms to young children - geometric prisms, that is. Optics is much later. Onceinawhile (talk) 10:31, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * That's as may be today, but certainly not when I went to school, which was long before "Key Stages"! But I still maintain that the optical usage is by far the commonest usage and easily the primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:37, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Remember that every optical prism is also a geometrical prism, but most geometrical prisms are not optical prisms. So when a person uses the generic word prism in an optical context, it is impossible to know which exact boundaries for the term they had in mind. Look at when Newton used the word (see ) as an example. Onceinawhile (talk) 10:39, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, but when you say you are viewing something "through the prism" of whatever you are clearly talking about the optical prism! -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:00, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, no PRIMARY.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:29, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support. The optics topic is not above and beyond the other meanings (although without the Katy Perry album it could be a different story). -- Fyrael (talk) 19:41, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Clear primary topic.--Srleffler (talk) 21:27, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Pageviews show no obvious primary topic, with the geometry topic getting less, but still comparable page views. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:36, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support. There are two basic topics with the name that have comparable long-term significance. Sure, one of them has entered everyday language as a source of metaphors and idioms, but such everyday familiarity doesn't translate into greater encyclopedic relevance (WP:NWFCTM). Probably also worth pointing out that the English Wikipedia and its current primary topic is the exception: almost all other projects have this article at a disambiguated title . Uanfala (talk) 12:15, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Clear primary topic. SpinningSpark 08:25, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak support the optical one has 10,699 views but PRISM has 8,941, the Katy Perry album has 7,524, the geology meaning has 4,136, the band has 3,389, the Prism album has 350 and the reactor has 346[]. Clearly this isn't primary by usage but may well be by long-term significance.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 08:48, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support as prism could easily refer to Prism (geometry). cookie monster   755  07:13, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

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