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User talk:Tannin/030923

Thanks for your message, Tannin. What do you think about the Puma? Should it be Felis concolor or Puma concolor? In zoological references I mostly found Puma concolor, but admittedly Felis concolor is more often in a Google search. Furthermore there are some references placing all Felinae in the genus Felis. Cheers -- Cordyph 15:11 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)

 * ITIS and the Mammal Species of the World site use both Puma concolor. I think I will risk changing the name in the Puma article ;-) -- Cordyph 16:07 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)

We clearly need to sort out a coherent list of passerine families. I am in practice now working through the hbw list excluding Oz families. Using this list will involve changing some of my articles in due course, since eg the Turdidae in HBW is just the large thrushes, with the chats hived off to Muscicapidae, and Emberizidae massively enlarged. The advantage of the HBW is that it is also a world species list.

Many of the changes in the HBW list, for example those in the S Am endemics and the splitting of Irenidae into leafbirds and ioras are unlikely to be of great concern to either of us.

What I don't know of course, is how acceptable the HBW list is to you for the Australasian and S. African groups.

If the HBW listing is not acceptable, perhaps you could identify the families which create a particular problem, and with luck we can come up with a treatment of those on which we agree.

I won't be on line much today (work again), so no rush, Jim
 * PS - I like the duck!

I'm still not working! I've changed List of birds to the HBW order, but I'll leave it to you to think about passerine. It's basically just cut-and-paste now anyway
 * I'm not working as in I've got work to do, just not doing it (I'm self employed too). I have to go to London tomorrow and Friday, so that might get me better motivated. Jim

I've removed Acanthizidae, Grallinidae and Ephthianuridae from the HBW list to conform with HANZAB

My plan of campaign: jimfbleak
 * 1) Do basic articles for Campephagidae (cuckoo-shrikes), and four very small families, the Ptilogonatidae, Hypocoliidae, Dulidae and Irenidae.
 * 2) rewrite Turdidae, Sylviidae, and Muscicapidae to conform to HBW species lists
 * 3) write Cisticolidae (maybe - HANZAB June 2003 doesn't split Sylvidae, BWP doesn't, irrelevant to AOU, so it's only the South Africans trying to get their own family plus HBW).
 * 4) that's enough to be going on with

Good day, I know that this means little to you. But I support you in your argument with mav. Pizza Puzzle

Hi Tannin, as for your question about most important cat species accounts: I would guess, that the Wild Cat (Felis silvestris) is in need of an article, since it includes the Desert Cat (formerly Felis lybica), the ancestor of our domestic cat. And of course I don't want you to clear out. I appreciate your help on the cat articles very much. On the other hand, if you prefer to do bird articles, that is okay as well. -- Cordyph 15:11 16 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I wrote Hypocoliidae, tried to move it to Hypocolius and couldn't because there was an existing article. That'll teach me to search for even obscure families next time. Jim

Hi Tannin, I finally saw the note you left me on my discussion page. I will have to read some of the articles you wrote when I have some free time. See you on SF... User:Timwhit

I move the Phony War discussion (including your friendly remark (thank you!) to Talk:Phony War. I really hope you have nothing against that! -- Ruhrjung 16:26 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Sorry, I think I've messed up your yellow Spoonbill. I sharpened just the large version in Photoplus but when I looked at it on Wikipedia it looked overdone. But I didn't keep a copy of your original pic and I don't know how to revert a "large version" pic. Can it be done? Of course, you might be happy with my mod. PS What part of the duck am I looking at on the pic at the top of the page and what's the duck doing? Great picture! Adrian Pingstone 13:32 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Thanks, Tannin. I noticed something inconsistent in the entries, but I don't claim to any expertise in classification. An egret by any other name ... User:Big_iron 11:39 20 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Progress report The following are the families for which there is no article. I've bolded the ones I'll do unless you want to, or someone else intervenes.

 * Casuariidae: emus and cassowaries
 * Anseranatidae: Magpie Goose
 * Atricornithidae
 *  Platysteiridae : wattle-eyes
 * Rhipiduridae: fantails
 * Monarchidae: monarch flycatchers
 * Pachycephalidae: whistlers and allies
 * Pomatostomidae: pseudo-babblers
 * Orthonychidae: logrunner and chowchilla
 * Cinclosomatidae: whipbirds and quail-thrushes
 * Neosittidae: sitellas
 * Melanocharitidae: berrypeckers and longbills
 * Paramythiidae: tit berrypecker and crested berrypeckers
 * Dicaeidae: flowerpeckers
 * Zosteropidae: white-eyes
 * Promeropidae: sugarbirds
 *  Dicruridae : drongos
 * Callaeidae: wattlebirds
 * Corcoracidae: white-winged chough and apostlebird
 * Artamidae: woodswallows
 * Pityriaseidae: bristlehead
 * Cracticidae: bellmagpies and allies
 * Ptilonorhynchidae: bowerbirds
 *  Ploceidae : weavers and allies
 *  Estrildidae : waxbills and allies
 *  Viduidae : indigobirds
 *  Drepanididae : Hawaiian honeycreepers
 *  Peucedramidae : Olive Warbler
 *  Coerebidae : Bananaquit

I'll also sort the following, which are taxonomically inconsistent at present

 * Passeridae: Old World sparrows
 * Fringillidae: finches, crossbills and allies

 * Emberizidae: buntings, seedeaters and allies

Jim

 * no pressure, there's no time limit on this. I did the list above

 * 1) because it's not too daunting now
 * 2) to give me an aide memoire (on my machine, not here)
 * 3) because there are some groups like the drongos which overlap all the Old Worldsouthern continents, so I didn't want to tread on your toes. I'm going to work up from the bottom anyway now, so no rush even to decide that. Put your feet up for a bit.

Jim

A layout query: for some of the larger passerine groups, at the family page I've listed the main groups plus odds-and-sods species, with the species lists under the article. This means that species names:
 * 1) are all listed either under the family or group article
 * 2) are not repeated
 * 3) do not form interminable lists

There are some major groups, like the hummingbirds, Muscicapidae etc, where no groups are written, but at least they fulfil 1 and 2 for the time being.

My problem is with groups that have some, but not most groups written, and look a mess, such as Emberizidae and Sylviidae.

I could either What do you think?
 * leave as is
 * remove unallocated species (tidy, but I don't like removing info, esp as someone might want to write eg a warbler article)
 * put the unallocated species as a list with a link, either on a subpage (wiki policy against) or on a subpage of my user pager, either in my sandbox, or perhaps better at species list

Jim

Guess who's back with an eye on New Imperialism. Lir/Vera Cruz, now under the name Pizza Puzzle. He's been behaving for the past couple of days, but I'm sure that he hasn't given up. I just thought that you might be interested since you came to the article's salvation last time when it faced the Vera Cruz death by a million minor edits. 172

Thanks, I'm just scanning in a few old holiday or aviary snaps. Most aren't very good, especially after scanning, but are better than nothing. Nothing like the quality of your artistic pics. Jim

I'm getting to the point now where there are just three or four families without a species account, excluding those largely confined to Oz. Two queries
 * 1) The majority of white-eyes occur outside Australasia, but there is a significant presence in your region. Do you mind if I do the basic article, or would you prefer to?
 * 2) Dicuridae is interesting. HBW has it as just the Dicrurus drongos, HANZAB has all sorts in the family (interestingly, the HANZAB list therefore has no species in common with HBW. I assume the simplest solution is for me to write Drongo, with taxonomy as a genus, which can then be linked from Dicruridae? Jim

I am trying to reconcile List of birds with Passerine. The following are in the former, but not the latter.

 * Regulidae: kinglets
 * Ptilogonatidae: silky-flycatchers
 * Bombycillidae: waxwings
 * Hypocoliidae: hypocolius
 * Dulidae: palmchat
 * Cinclidae: dippers
 * Troglodytidae: wrens
 * Mimidae: mockingbirds and thrashers
 * Turdidae: thrushes and allies
 * Cisticolidae: cisticolas and allies
 * Polioptilidae: gnatcatchers
 * Platysteiridae: wattle-eyes
 * Picathartidae: rockfowl
 * Timaliidae: babblers
 * Paradoxornithidae: parrotbills
 * Aegithalidae: long-tailed tits
 * Paridae: chickadees and tits
 * Sittidae: nuthatches
 * Tichiodromidae: Wallcreeper
 * Certhiidae: treecreepers
 * Rhabdornithidae: Philippine creepers
 * Remizidae: penduline tits
 * Melanocharitidae: berrypeckers and longbills
 * Paramythiidae: tit berrypecker and crested berrypeckers
 * Promeropidae: sugarbirds
 * Irenidae: fairy-bluebirds
 * Malaconotidae: bushshrikes and allies
 * Prionopidae: helmetshrikes
 * Vangidae: vangas
 * Callaeidae: wattlebirds
 * Pityriaseidae: bristlehead
 * xx Cracticidae: bellmagpies and allies (part of Artamidae)
 * Ploceidae: weavers and allies
 * Estrildidae: waxbills and allies
 * Viduidae: indigobirds
 * Drepanididae: Hawaiian honeycreepers
 * Peucedramidae: Olive Warbler
 * Parulidae: New World warblers
 * Coerebidae: Bananaquit
 * Thraupidae: tanagers and allies
 * Cardinalidae: saltators, cardinals and allies
 * Icteridae: troupials and allies

Most of these are "northern" groups, but there are some like Cracticidae, Melanocharitidae berrypeckers, Paramythiidae tit berrypeckers, which I think are Oz. Can you delete these if they have been absorbed into another family. Thanks for the Zosterops warning. Have you seen corvida?

--- Lir/Vera Cruz, now Pizza Puzzle, is causing problems on New Imperialism again. Maybe you would be interested in taking a vote on the talk page. 172 23:34 28 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Nice stilt - I've also copied it to Black-winged Stilt to replace the very poor pic there. I'm getting to the stage where most of the remaining articleless passerine families on List of birds have a significant Oz/NZ component, although some, like the flowerpeckers, are also much more widespread.

I'm quite happy to write a stub entry for any of the remaining families, but I don't want to trample through your patch. Can you let me know which, if any, of the remaining families you would be happy for me to do an article on? Thanks for the changes to drongo. I like that group, and its always a bit of a challenge to sort out the different shades of grey and black! Jim

Hey, I wasn't pushing (honestly)... still, a few more blue links.... I've written Eurasian Coot now, and used your pic. I'm tempted to leave in in Rallidae as well, since it's a good photo, and I don't think the article's cluttered yet; the American Coot image is just there until the article gets written. Big iron is doing a great job churning out the Canadian species, so its just a matter of time I imagine. Jim

Any problems with species lists, I'm your man! I've completed the Artamidae lists. If you let me know, I'll dump formatted species lists for whatever families you want (it's actually easier to do the family as a lump rather than adding species);  Jim

I've dumped species lists for pachythingies, bowerbirds and Dicalleidae, aand I'll probably do flowerpecker next myself, so that should keep us going for a while. Now, I'm supposed to be working.... Jim

-- Your presence on New Imperialism would be extremely helpful. The talk page desperately needs the presence of a neutral party well versed in the subject matter. Sorry for bothering you with this, but I think that you'd be the best qualified to resolve the matter. 172 13:34, 29 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I've dumped species lists for 4 small families in my sandbox for whenever you need them (sitellas, berrypickers x 2, Ozbabblers) Jim.

-- Thanks again for intervening again. As you know, we've all agreed to establish an executive summary/series liked to daughter articles. I'd like to know what you think of replacing the main article with this. 172 05:46, 31 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Tony, I've just spotted this in the Mailing List ....

''did anyone nominate Jimfbleak and Arpingstone yet? If not, we should. They are both careful, hardworking contributors, with level heads and a proven record of solid contributions.''

I am highly flattered but would decline to be a Sysop. I enjoy my speciality (illustrations) too much to want to do anything else at all. I've now put on approx 500 pics (and it's really 1000 because I always add the option of a large pic) and don't think I could ever run out.

Thanks for your very nice suggestion, best wishes ...... Adrian Pingstone 22:45, 3 Aug 2003 (UTC) -- Hi Tannin. Would you support my request for adminship? I enjoyed working with you on the Edmund Burke article and I'd appreciate your support. Thanks. Chadloder 20:00, 5 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Great stuff at Image:Australian-Pelicans-s.jpg. Koyaanis Qatsi 08:59, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Welcome back - look forward to seeing the pics. Birds have ground to a halt a bit recently - I think User:Big iron must be on his/her holidays too - and I've been taking advantage of the heatwave to do a few Butterfly articles, and even a plant image (with butterflies) at Buddleia.

Temperature nearly broke the UK record on Wednesday, and may do so tomorrow ( the record is - wait for it - 37.1 Celsius (99F) -there, I knew you would be impressed! The railways have ground to a near halt because the rails are not designed to cope at above 30!) Jim

Brilliant pics!. I finally got to running through your contributions page. I was particularly impressed by the treecreeper, because I know how difficult it is to get good pics of passerines, and the Sugar Glider was terrific too-I didn't even know what kind of mammal it was. Jim

Only just seen your message, in London all day yesterday. Species list at Falconidae now, you'll just need to tweak it. I suppose that Cathartiformes makes sense, since these are clearly distinct from the other families. As you indicate, I have no strong feeling about Falconiformes anyway.

I made a diversion to see a Least Sandpiper (image may not be on first page) on my way to London, and only when I got there did I realise I left my camera at home. Annoying, since this was both very obliging and very rare in the UK. I've got some urgent work to do, so I'll only be wikiing on-and-off for the next couple of days.

Jim

Hi Tannin. I avoid to write it on User:JoeM/ban as it seems not well accepted to make fun of political opinions. But I think I could have an infinte patience to discuss with JoeM if it can chage his political agenda that include (well more or less) droping the big one on my face to explain me what is democracy ;-) Ericd 04:30, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Waouhh ! Great photo. Ericd 04:31, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for your corrections in the Strait of Magellan article. But there's one doubt I have after I read your additions: You typed:

'' Before the creation of the Panama canal, this was the second-most travelled way to pass from the Atlantic to the Pacific sea. ''.

Where's the first most travelled way?

User:Carlos.yanez 23:19, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Waouhh ! Great photo. Ericd 04:31, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Uh. Yeah. okay. RickK 04:16, 27 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Which part of the bird is in the Image:Blue-billed-Duck-655.jpg photo? Is it the tail or the wing? --Menchi 04:16, Aug 27, 2003 (UTC)

Hello Tannin

Btw, we are two, perhaps three, currently working on the ecoregion project on the fr wiki. I'll put energy in it again after the promotion time is over. Anthère

yes, I noticed you were not much here recently :-) And I mostly on fr these days :-) We'll try to progress over there, if only to set some stuff on our own regions and progress on the general scheme. I still have to do the stuff on conservation...Cheers and good luck. See you soon :-)

Busy is the word - I'm in court tomorrow (as an expert witness, not a recidivist). Yes, I'm still ploughing through the birds, sometimes being inspired onto a new tack by Big iron's ventures into waders, encouraging me to fill in some gaps.

I also did an article on Risso's Dolphin, having seen three off the [Cornwall|Cornish]] coast a couple of weeks ago on a short break, and expanded porpoise. BTW, Bowhead Whale has a different genus in the species article and in whale, but I don't know enough to resolve this (my only cetacean book agrees with whale.

I can't remember if I told you that my daughter's been making me envious with the birds she's seen in NZ; she's been to Kiaorua twice, surely one of the best places in the world to see albatrosses and whales. Nice to speak to you again, jimfbleak|Jim

Nice work on the bird & mammal orders! --mav 06:53, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Hi,

Considering you have edited in the whales area in the past, I thought I would let you know that I have started a WikiProject Cetaceans. It is rather sketchy at the moment - any and all contributions welcome! Pete 23:19, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Ummm ... the last page before the edit war on suicide bombing was by Hephaestos. reddi

Tannin, is there any chance that you could let me know what you e-mail address is? Just pop in something through my "E-Mail this user" entry on my user page. I'd be very grateful.

Arno

I see you agree with me about Timor Leste :-). - fonzy

Hi Tannin. I've just put together a register of Wikipedia developers, including phone numbers, email addresses, etc., which Wikipedians can use to contact developers in case of server failure. You have been selected on the basis of your upstanding character, trustworthiness and commitment — okay, mainly your timezone :) — to be one of about 20 people to receive this list. The only problem is that you don't have an email address registered which I can send it to. Could you please email me at t?starling=physics&unimelb=edu&au= (or something like that, I can never remember the right punctuation) -- Tim Starling 02:54, Sep 13, 2003 (UTC)

 * I named the group as thick-knees because my standard text names most of the species (apart from the European one) as such. I don't have any problem with the change, but if it stays as is, we will need to change the name of the European species to the older, but probably still more common outside the text books, Stone Curlew. As you have no doubt realised, there is currently a cyclic reference with the present name. Jim.

Hi, did you get my e-mail?

 * That depends - if you are Tim, yes. If you are Arno, not yet. If you are someone else, not that I know of!

 * No, that wasn't me, but it's nice to know my email got through :) Actually, I've sent two now, did you get both? The second was probably filtered out by your spam software since I sent it to 18 people at once. -- Tim Starling 13:54, Sep 13, 2003 (UTC)

Nice work on the rewrite of Red Wolf. RickK 03:33, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Nice to know it's appreciated. Cheers, Cyan 20:36, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I'm sure you're a nice guy in person. But when you write (emphasis mine) "You have been unable..." and "Put up or shut up" then personal and nasty are apt descriptions. You and Mintguy have taken the lead on the article and I hold no grudges. Take the high road. Fuzheado 14:36, 15 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Re:BBC and the PwC/FT list. Looks like they didn't look at the full list (1-100), which puts the BBC at 66 and CNN at 90. No mention of AOL on that list. Mintguy 07:59, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Hi, I've used your Purple Swamphen picture. I've assumed it's a wild bird, and therefore ought to be P p poliocephalus. Can you please correct caption if my assumption is wrong. Jim

Hi - is this your e-mail address? tannin@redxhill.net.au (minus the x) It does not seem to be working. Arno

That's right, Arno. I've had, oh, maybe 50 mails come through so far today. Tannin 08:15, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Re Purple Swamphen. Hardly worldwide, in Europe it occurs only in a few subtropical spots around the Med. I've seen the African race as an escape, and the head is much greener. The reason for my query was that I've seen the Asian/Oz race P p poliocephalus in India, and it looks very like the European race, which is why I checked. Thanks for the help, look forward to the pics Jim

Hi Tannin, I've moved your temporary article on Sibley-Ahlquist taxonomy to User:Tannin/Sibley-Ahlquist taxonomy. Cheers, Cyan 02:18, 18 Sep 2003 (UTC)

The circumcision diff is pretty big -- did you undo 12.24's removal of large amounts of relevant material and POV edits before your copyedit?—Eloquence 02:03, Sep 19, 2003 (UTC)

Tannin, re: Bill O'Reilly (pundit) moving back and forth, the obvious question is then, why isn't there a WP article for cricket player Bill O'Reilly? At least putting a stubby article in place for him would make clear to folks why Bill O'Reilly (pundit) exists they way it is. Just a friendly suggestion. Fuzheado 02:21, 19 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Tannin, please visit the White Australia Policy talk page and read my comment. Tell me if you agree or not. Cheers, Dr Adam Carr

must...educate...world.... Pizza Puzzle

Are you referring to the box marked New Imperialism -- heh. Pizza Puzzle

Tannin, I just read your Australian culture article and enjoyed it muchly, though I agree with some of your critics that it doesn't really read like an encyclopaedia entry. I am going to have a go at "History of Australian culture" so be warned :)

One question: what has the Australian Union of Jewish Students got to do with anything?

On another matter, I see you are an aviation buff. In another life, I am currently interested in systems to defend civilian airliners against surface-to-air missile attack. I believe they are called MANPADS. Do you know any good sources on this? Dr Adam Carr 13:05, 20 Sep 2003 (UTC)

What was wrong with my edit to Australia? RickK 23:16, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Tannin, you're too kind. I am pressing on with "History of Australian culture" but it's a bigger topic than I thought. Why don't you have a go at Australian economic history and Australian environmental history? These are big important topics. Dr Adam Carr 02:06, 23 Sep 2003 (UTC)

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Australasian treecreeper

There are seven species of Australasian treecreeper in the passerine bird family Climacteridae. They are medium-small, mostly brown birds with patterning on their underparts, and all are endemic to Australia-New Guinea. They resemble, but are not closely related to, the Holarctic treecreepers. The family is one of several families identified by DNA–DNA hybridisation studies to be part of the Australo-Papuan songbird radiation. There is some molecular support for suggesting that their closest relatives are the large lyrebirds.

As their name implies, treecreepers forage for insects and other small creatures living on and under the bark of trees, mostly eucalypts, though several species also hunt on the ground, through leaf-litter, and on fallen timber. Unlike the Holarctic treecreepers they do not use their tail for support when climbing tree trunks, only their feet.

Australasian treecreepers nest in holes in trees. The species in the family hold breeding territories, although the extent to which they are defended and last varies. Some species, such as the red-browed treecreeper and the brown treecreeper are cooperative breeders, others, like the white-throated treecreeper are not. The cooperative breeders form groups or a single breeding pair as well as up to three helpers, which are usually the young males of previous pairings. Helpers assist with the construction of the nest, feeding of the incubating female and feeding and defending the young.

Description
The Australasian treecreepers are small oscine songbirds, measuring 14 to(-) in length and weighing 17 - 44 g. They have relatively long tails, short legs with strong feet, stout bodies and longish and slightly down-curved bills. The plumage of this family is dull, trending towards brown, reddish-brown or greyish brown above and paler below. There is usually some sexual dimorphism in plumage, with females having some reddish colour in the head or breast that is absent in the males. Other differences between the sexes are common, and can arise very early in the life of these birds, being present even in late-stage nestlings. They are poor fliers, with their flight described as undulating and gliding.

Distribution and habitat
All the Australian treecreepers are endemic to Australia except for one species restricted to New Guinea. They are found across much of Australia except for the large island of Tasmania, possibly because they are poor fliers and unable to disperse across water barriers, or possibly because of a lack of bark-dwelling invertebrates to feed on.

Across their global distribution they occupy a wide range of habitats. The Papuan treecreeper is found in mid-montane to montane forested habitats on New Guinea, from 1250 –. The white-browed treecreeper inhabits acacia and Casuarina woodlands in deserts in southern Australia. Other species inhabit subtropical rainforest, eucalypt woodlands and southern beech forests. The brown treecreeper is semi-terrestrial and can live in more open woodland habitats, but is still sensitive to the loss of its habitat. The Australasian treecreepers are essentially non-migratory, although there are distinct differences in the dispersal of young birds after fledging, especially between the two genera.

Diet and feeding
The Australasian treecreepers principally forage for arthropods found on the bark of trees, but they will also take prey from the ground and will eat tree sap and nectar from flowers. They commonly obtain insect prey by gleaning from surface of bark, but will also probe into holes and pull at loose strips of bark and flick underneath it with their quadrifid tongue.

Breeding
The breeding season lasts from June into January, the birds lay 2-3 eggs per clutch with an incubation time of 17 days. Nests are built by both male and female with soft materials like grass and feathers. The treecreeper will often get helper birds to feed chicks or contribute to the nest.

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Talk:John Carmack

Birthdate
We need to nail down his birthdate. A previous version said he was born in 1965. Which is it? Is there a source somewhere with this info? If not, I vote we just leave off his birthdate until we can verify it. Anyone else? —Frecklefoot 13:42 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)

 * Googling, I've found an interview with him from 2000 where he says he is 29 years old.  Another source also says 1970 .  Apparently, Carmack is from Kansas City . And that's how I found a link  from the Kansas City Star that says 1970 (as well as other useful bio info). I haven't read Masters of Doom, that might contain more. Looks like 1970 checks out. --Mrwojo 14:11, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)

 * It's got to be 1970- I went to school with this guy and he was a year ahead of me. My birthday is Dec. 1970. --64.234.176.200

But it's entirely possible that he skipped a grade or two (or even *gasp* flunked a few). We need some source that gives an exact date. — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:22, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

 * Simple enough, I'll just drop him a line. Will post here later.  --66.56.58.209
 * Sent him an e-mail. Asked him to drop by and review the information in article.  Drop me a line at lando2@gmail if he doesn't reply within a week or two. --66.56.58.209

 * What exactly are you asking us to do? Email you for information?  That's not the way things work here on Wikipedia.  Why don't you just post the information when you get it?

 * But still a personal email isn't something we can refer to in the References section. On Wikipedia, we aren't supposed to do original research.  A personal interview by a Wikipedia editor with a person, for example, isn't a verifiable source.  An interview conducted by Barbara Walters posted on the ABC website is.

 * Next, I wouldn't post my personal email address on any website. It's spam fuel.

 * Lastly, always sign your posts. This is done by using 3 or 4 tildes (  or ~ ) at the end of your post. The latter is preferred since it also adds a timestamp. Cheers.   — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:11, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

 * Just to throw another wrench into the works, there is no hospital in Shawnee Mission. Shawnee Mission Hospital is actually in Merriam, Kansas. Kroot 15:49, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I attended Raytown South Highschool from 1984 to 1987, we had a publication called "Calling Cards" that was basically a student directory. I still have copies of the 1984 and and 1986 editions. John is listed in both as being born on 08/21/1970. Howlingmine (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:19, 10 August 2010 (UTC).

 * I think he is born in Roeland Park, KS (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0138316/bio/).
 * I live in the area. Shawnee Mission is not the name of a city, it is a postal district which delivers to many cities in the area (including Roeland Park). (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawnee_Mission,_Kansas). 216.21.169.52 (talk) 20:17, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Opening wording
That A talented programmer with an entrepreneurial spirit comes from a pcgameworld.com article. Can we come up with something a little less plagiaristic? RickK 21:12, Aug 1, 2004 (UTC)

How much was the rocket prototype worth? 40,000 or 35.000$?-FredrikM

 * All the news outlets I've seen have said $35,000. -- nknight 15:18, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * "In the final total, after accounting for absolutely everything, the vehicle replacement cost is about $40,000 instead of $35,000. The new vehicle has a few more expensive machined parts, so total cost will be about $45,000." -- Quoth 07:02, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Cleanup
Made some substatial edits to get this page out of cleanup - removed quotes and sent them to Wikiquote, removed POV throughout, removed trivia, cleaned up some of the text. Nothing here was terrible, but that which I removed was unencyclopedic or POV. Anyone with problems or offended? Feel free to revert if I've stepped on anyone's toes too much, just let me know on my talk page. Hope this can now be out of cleanup. Niceguyjoey 01:47, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)

 * Hmm, it's odd that this article was on cleanup; I don't recall a notice ever being here. I agree with most of the edits, but Carmack is one of the most widely recognized and influential game programmers.  The bit about his family should probably be restored as well.  --Mrwojo 03:50, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I restored the bit about his family. He is one of the most influential game programmers ever, so I didn't think the wording was too POV, but it's fine the way it is now.   — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:26, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)

Highly techincal graphic rendering details
"Many believe that he was the first to have used 0x5f3759df as the initial guess for finding the inverse square root of a number using Newton's method."... This is interesting, but has no explanation of why it is important for those of us who are not graphics programmers. Feel free to put it back with an explanation if this truly one of his more notable accomplishments. --Cshay

 * You also removed the date of birth of his son. I have no idea why—you give no explanation.  While the exact time is irrelevant, I think the date is worthwhile.  I'm restoring that.  And why in the world would you remove the fact that he graduated with a 4.0 GPA?  That is very significant.  I'm restoring these two items.

 * Also, sign your posts. I inserted your signature above, but you can do it with either 3 or 4 tildes (  or ~ ).  The latter is usually preferred, since it also adds a timestamp.   — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:36, May 13, 2005 (UTC)

 * High School GPA matters in an encyclopedia entry of a famous software engineer? Let's focus on what people really want to knoiw about him and not clutter things up with arcania. I don't see Bill Clinton's HS GPA in his Wiki entry.
 * --Cshay 18:35, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

 * First off, don't insert your comments inline with mine (or any other Wikipedian's). It makes it hard to follow the trail of comments.  It also makes it look like I forgot to sign my post—which I didn't.  You just usurped my signature.  I removed your comment from within my comment to below it for clarity.

 * Now, yes I do think his GPA is noteworthy. If it was something like 3.5, it wouldn't be so interesting.  But a 4.0 GPA is hard to acheive.  It gives the reader a frame of reference for what his scholastic performance was.

 * Next, Wikipedia isn't paper, which allows us to insert a number of interesting facts that paper encyclopedia's can't. Useless trivia we should still exclude, but his high school GPA doesn't fall under that category.

 * I see you removed that information again. I won't engage in an edit war with you.  I think we should resolve it here first.  I vote we let others voice their opinion on this tidbit.  Anyone else?   — Frecklefoot | Talk 18:57, May 13, 2005 (UTC)

Sorry about the improper inlining of my comments. As to the arcania, I really do think it clutters any article and makes it difficult to follow. As I said, you don't see the HS GPA or time of birth in other biographical articles. I'm not going to get in an edit war over it of course, but I edited boldly to make the article more focused, and more readable. This article IMHO should center around his groundbreaking role and his innovative inventions in the graphic programming space. There's alot of missing info about this that needs to go in this article. --Cshay 20:50, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I think it's relevant, but I'll abide by whatever everyone else says (this article is watched by a lot of people). If we do have the GPA for other people, I think it's fine to add it to their articles.  Maybe the reason it's not in their articles is because we don't have it. :-)

 * Yes, there is a lot of information missing from this article. Feel free to be bold and add more. :-)   — Frecklefoot | Talk 21:07, May 13, 2005 (UTC)

 * Personally I like the idea of having his GPA score in the article. Although I would expand a little for non-US readers who might not pick up on the significance of a 4.0. AlistairMcMillan 21:16, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Seriously though, what's the signifigance of a HS GPA? There's no standardization across schools... here in CA everyone who has half a brain get a high GPA. Adults don't put a HS GPA in their resumes... it's that insignificant. Put it back if you will, but arcania explosion and the resulting loss of focus is one thing I dislike about Wikipedia in general. --Cshay 21:26, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, since he doesn't have a college degree, it's about the only thing people can use to judge his academic performance. I didn't put my HS GPA on my resume, but many colleges do use it as acceptance criteria (along with SAT scores).  Once I got my degree, I put that on my resume instead since it was more relevant than my HS performance.

 * I went to school in CA, and it took work to get my A's! But I have no idea where you live or what school you attended (I attended this school).  Despite this, a 4.0 is a 4.0 and in most areas is a notable acheivement.  If you don't think it is much of an acheivement, cite sources and state why his 4.0 wasn't noteworthy.

 * AlistairMcMillan, I understand that a 4.0 GPA may not be internationally recognized, so I included a link to hopefully clarify it.  — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:58, May 16, 2005 (UTC)

You guys sound young. No one cares about HS GPA except maybe recent HS grads doing dick size comparisons. Any hiring manager can tell you that. Also as I said there are no standardization across schools. Yes some schools it is really hard to get a 4.0, other schools it does not. Focus on the his real achievements. Most software guys are brilliant and get good grades if they feel like it, but very few of them could have created DOOM. --Cshay 20:40, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm 37, does that count as young? ;-) I find it hard to put much stock in someone's comments whose most notable acheivement is liking geese...  — Frecklefoot | Talk 21:20, May 16, 2005 (UTC)

 * Does anyone know if John Carmack was valedictorian of his graduating class? I read "Masters of Doom" recently and I don't think it mentioned whether he achieved that rank or not, but it seems like a more valid assessment of academic ability than pure GPA.--Zukin

 * In many schools, valedictorian is not determined by marks. Personally, I had the highest GPA in my graduating class, but I came runner up, as valedictorian was entirely determined by popular vote.--Slavik81

 * Still Laughing... Laughing harder now.. Who told you John graduated with a 4.0? Or even a 3.0?  I know one class he failed in high school... I know this didn't come out of John's mouth..  ROFL. 4.0?  ACT's and SAT's godlike.. yes.. GPA.. negative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.166.76.46 (talk • contribs)

A random factoid: According to this article, Carmack denies inventing the 0x5f3759df inverse square root approximation hack. And I suppose this wouldn't be the best possible article for that stuff anyway. =) --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 02:17, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Anna Kang
I would like to suggest that the link to "Katherine Anna Kang" be changed from a redirect to "John Carmack" (her husband) to her own page (even if only a stub). She is a somewhat prominant figure in Machinima circles, running such events as the annual Machinimation Festival. She also worked for id for a while and runs Fountainhead Entertainment.

Before some suggests that I just do this myself, I'm a new wikipedian and don't know how to edit redirects, and am not really sure how to make a new page either. --JBolla

 * Okay, here's one way you can do it:
 * Click on the wikilink of Katherine Anna Kang in the article.
 * You'll be redirected to this article.
 * Underneath the large John Carmack title, you'll see a message which says (Redirected from Katherine Anna Kang). Click on the Katherine Anna Kang link.
 * Instead of being redirected again to John Carmack, you'll actually be at the Katherine Anna Kang article.
 * Click the "Edit this page" link.
 * You'll see an edit box with the text #redirect John Carmack . Replace it with your text.
 * Start the article with Katherine Anna Kang is a . For example: Katherine Anna Kang is a film producer.
 * Then fill in the rest of the prose for her article. Be sure to mention her connection to Carmack.

 * I could kinda tell you're a new user because you didn't sign your post. I added your signature above, but you can do this with 3 or 4 tildes (  or ~ ).  The latter is preferred since it also adds a timestamp. HTH, peace. :-)   — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:24, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

 * I second this, also because Ms. Kang is simply not John Carmack. They're different people and should have different pages.  And to the uninformed, searching for "Katherine Anna Kang" and ending up at John Carmack is very confusing.

Okay, created the article, Katherine Anna Kang. Take a look, enjoy. edit... — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:47, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Next Gen Consoles: Xbox 360 vs PlayStation 3
I removed this section because it has very little to do with who Carmack is and his contributions to programming, 3D graphics and the video game industry in general. It's just a summary of an interview with him on the next-generation consoles which, last time I checked, id Software doesn't even develop for (their engines are for Microsoft Windows). If someone disagress, please discuss here:

 * While millions of opinions (written by gamers) spreaded all over the internet debating which next generation video game console is the most powerful, Carmack gave his opinion in recent interviews with the media.

 * On comparing Microsoft's Xbox 360 and Sony's PlayStation 3, Carmack admits that Sony's console is probably more powerful "in terms of raw flops and graphic operations.”

 * Carmack admits however that the Xbox 360 is his preferred console because it has better programming tools as well as a more interactive development environment.

 * Carmack: "I make little nitpicky decisions about say, well, I prefer the symmetric approach that MS has over the asymmetric Cell approach, but you can do great games on either one of them, and I make fundamental decisions based on development tools and depth of documentation, which Microsoft has been superior on,"

 * When it comes to long term programming and game development cycles, Carmack stressed that having the best development tools is more important than having superior hardware power.

 * In regards to the other next generation console, Nintendo's Revolution, Carmack has not yet made a comment on it.

— Frecklefoot | Talk 14:22, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Id Software develops their engines for cross-platform compatibility. All Id games can be played on Macintosh and Linux systems. -Emhilradim 05:30, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Not true. Some were developed by id for other systems, some were ported by other entities. They may program them to make cross-platform programming easier, but they don't develop games for all three systems at once.  They do use OpenGL, for example, which makes porting easier. — Frecklefoot | Talk 20:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Carmack programmed graphics games as a kid and that's why he became a game programmer
I removed this section:

 * During his younger years, Carmack originally wrote a program which displayed his name [Carmack] in big box letters, and then changed the program to allow the name to spin and rotate. It is speculative that, this simple program was what inspired him into graphics programming. While at the time he was by no means a specialist, he did spend the time to develop games that made use of graphics (while many of those around him were making text-based games).

because it is unsourced and contains speculation. Where is the source for him programming such games? How do we know that because of the programs he become a game programmer? It's POV and unsourced and doesn't belong in the article. — Frecklefoot | Talk 21:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

 * The source for that information is Masters of Doom, and it is valid information. Why he became a programmer is not something that can be covered, true, but as a kid, he did program said games and graphics demos. -Emhilradim 22:59, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

 * It's fine if you put it back in and remove the speculation and add the source of the information. Otherwise it looks like pure speculation. — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:31, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

High School
Looking around, I noticed a factual inconsistency with Shawnee Mission School District. This article states that he went to Raymond South, but that it is commonly believed that he went to Shawnee Mission East. The school district's article claims him as an alum. When I Googled him, most sources do say Shawnee Mission East, but of course that's not enough to make an edit. Does anyone have a trusted source on this information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.93.191.60 (talk • contribs)

 * According to David Kushner's Masters of Doom, "Carmack was transferred to the 'gifted and talented' program of the Shawnee Mission East public school" (page 20) but after his parents split, he moved to Raytown where he attended "a junior high with no gifted program or computers." (21). It is possible that he went to high school in Raytown. 24.19.201.8 06:46, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

 * This is a fact. I went to school with John and his brother Pete.  They both graduated from Raytown South.  You can contact the high school to confirm if you are bored. http://www.raytown.k12.mo.us/shs/index.htm   I simply corrected it as it is one of numerous erroneous statements that pop up about John and that one for some reason has always annoyed me. John did attend Shawnee Mission High School for a while but transferred to Ray South. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.166.76.46 (talk • contribs)

 * I may well have been the (Wikipedia) source for the assertion that he graduated from SM East. I attended SM East, but I graduated 1 year earlier than he did.  Given that we weren't close friends, he may well have transferred to Raytown South and I didn't know it. GeoGreg 21:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I went to Raytown South Middle School (1982-1983) and have checked my yearbooks (The Southerner) for his picture. John DOES NOT appear in these years.
 * I also attended Raytown South High School (1984-1987) and have checked for John's picture in those yearbooks (Polaris).

John DOES NOT appear in the 1894 edition of Polaris. John appears in the 1985 edition of Polaris on page 91 as a Freshman (9th grade). John DOES NOT appear in the 1986 edition of Polaris. John appears in the 1987 edition of Polaris on page 160 as a Junior (11th grade). John appears in the 1988 edition of Polaris (page unknown) as a Senior (12th grade). Note: the picture used was a blown up version of the 1987 picture.

 * We also had a publication called "Calling Cards" that was basically a student directory. I still have copies of the 1984 and and 1986 editions. John is listed in both as being born on 08/21/1970.

 * There is no listing in any of the above yearboooks or student directories for anyone named Pete Carmack. As far as I know, he had no brothers, but he did have a stepsister that I graduated with in 1987.

Howlingmine (talk) 01:16, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Personal
I thought it would be a good idea to separate personal information from "Other Items" so it now has "Personal" and "Other" separated. I have a good source that tells me the original information was incorrect so I replaced it with the correct information. I also deleted the detailed information about their son because this type of information is extremely invasive to the minor and it is not relevant to someone wanting to know information about John Carmack. 192.246.40.8 05:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

 * You should list your "good source" as a reference to the info you added. It needs to be a source that can be verified.  The info of any children is fair game—the birth dates and names of children of celebrities is posted all over the place.  If you're a high-profile person, you gotta learn to expect that type of stuff.  Plus the info is in the logs—you can't get rid of it. — Frecklefoot | Talk 17:04, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Seems cold blooded to say "any children is fair game". I agree with the first post that the child's name and birth date is irrelevant.  The only people who'd find it helpful are probably up to no-good.  The child didn't ask to be born into a "celebrity" home (if you could even call John Carmack a celebrity).  You don't see Bill Gates' or Steve Job's children's names and birth dates on Wikipedia.  Also, when fact checking, why doesn't anyone just e-mail John Carmack or ID?  Seems like a good way to check facts to me.64.81.122.98 20:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

 * As far as children go, no, the child didn't ask to be born into a celebrity family, but if one is famous, that type of information is going to get out. And I wouldn't jump to conclusions that those who are interested in the birthdates are necessarily up to no-good.  Some people just want to know to be able to understand the context of the person's family status.  For example, if a child's birthday is 2006, the reader can understand that the person is the father of a very young child.  If the child's birthday is 1985, however, the reader can reasonably assume the child has moved away from the home.  I'm not even really interested in these dates, however, and I didn't add them to the article.  But wanting to know such things isn't always sinister.

 * Emails to id or Carmack probably aren't going to be effective for two reasons:

 * id and Carmack get 1000s of emails everyday. Assuming they'll get to yours—Wikipedia editor or not—is pretty presumptuous.
 * Even if they did answer you personally, the information obtained that way isn't verifiable. A prerequisite for information in Wikipedia is that it is sourced with a reference that can be publicly verified.  It doesn't have to be available online, but even a book or magazine article qualifies, whereas a personal email message does not.

 * HTH — Frecklefoot | Talk 21:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I stay with my belief that those truly interested in the full name and date of birth of minors are up to no-good (either by action or in principal). I'd go as far as to say that even IF the minor was the topic, it's irresponsible for fans, media, et al to expose children. In my opinion, in doing so, these individuals are up to no-good. Just because someone is curious about a minor does not make it OK to trample on their privacy. "Wanting to know" does not make it OK. Even criminal minors get privacy protection! The date of birth of Bill Gates' and Steve Jobs' minor children are not exposed in Wikipedia so I don't see why it should be an issue that the birthdate and full name of John Carmack's child has been removed from the main page.

 * Different topic - It's odd that an e-mail from a direct source is not considered a valid source of information. News articles have been known to contain incorrect or false information. It seems backwards to me that a news article written by a 3rd party is considered a valid source but an e-mail from the subject is not.64.81.122.98 23:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

 * It's not permissible because it can't be verified. Anyone could put in any article "in an email I got from John Doe, he says he invented the typewriter."  That email, supposedly sent to that individual, can't be checked or verified. Even if the entire contents fo the email is posted in the article (or Talk page), it's still inadmissible.  Emails are easily faked. It can't be proven that the email even ever existed.  Articles—even if they contain errors—can be checked.  But I didn't make up these rules; they are the rules of the Wikipedia community. — Frecklefoot | Talk 00:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

 * My question is what sources are there to say that Carmack has children, I don't doubt the information, he has been married for almost or more than a decade, it is just that I have only ever seen word of Carmack having a child on Wikipedia (and the quote from the Katherine Anna Kang article "Kang and Carmack are expecting their second child in 2009." also factors into this). It would be nice to have some confirmation on this important issue on a person's life and thus something important to any biography. Though my sympathies go out to any Carmack Junior, as people are going to expect them to be math geniuses! Comrade Graham (talk) 02:32, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

 * This issue occurred so long ago, I don't know what sources were used for his children's names and birthdates. It's in the history, though.  But, yeah, children's names and birthdates are expected of any comprehensive biography. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 13:43, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Noticed he was listed as an American Atheist, could we get the reference listed, perhaps an article? -AtheistKingmcKingerson — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.38.194.13 (talk) 08:18, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

disambig
Talk:John Carmack directs to this page, so I feel like it's appropriate to talk about it here. John Carmack currently disambigs between this and some church guy; Googling the other John Carmack's full name turns up more about the game programmer than the actual person I'm looking for. Looking at the article, the other Carmack doesn't seem notable at all. I'd really rather John Carmack go directly to the game programmers page; that is who people are looking for. Anyone agree? Chaos on the internet 04:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Agreed. John Carmack should go to the game programmer, with a small link to the other fellow. The church Carmack doesn't seem all that notable. I could even see deleting that page. He was fairly high up in the church, but he was still just an administrator. Even the page doesn't list anything that he did that was notable. Nairebis 12:20, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Agreed that it should just go to here with a small link to John K. Carmack. But K. Carmack was a general authority in the Church.  While it sounds mundane by its title, it's pretty significant. So his article should remain.  I know we're not discussing deleting his article, but just thought I'd mention it. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 14:07, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Wolf3D for SNES not in table
Carmack did end up porting Wolfenstein 3-D to the Super Nintendo Entertainment System himself. "Masters of Doom" pg. 133 states that Burger Bill, who was contracted by id, failed to deliver. id fired him, and Carmack did the port himself. Madman420 (talk) 10:32, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Well, the current table doesn't list platforms, so I guess this comment was OBE. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 15:19, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

'Game' and 'Recognition' entries in opposing chronological orders
Wouldn't it make more sense to have both the 'gameography' list and the 'recognition' list to both be in reverse chronological order? When you're reading it, trying to track his history, it feels strange to first read his games, from latest to first, and then his achievements first to last. In my opinion, it breaks the flow of the article. I suggest reversing the chronological order og the 'recognition' list. Thoughts? --Pinkopf (talk) 15:01, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

 * It's a personal preference: neither order is right or wrong. I changed the Recognition section into a sortable table so you can look at it in reverse if you prefer. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 16:05, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Location
For a while, this article stated that Carmack was located in Mesquite, Texas. Recently an anon user changed it to Heath, Texas. They stated that "appraisal records clearly state that he is located in Heath, Texas." I don't care where he really is, but we really need a ref for that fact. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 14:27, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Asperger's Syndrome?
There would appear to be a number of prima facie characteristics indicating Asperger's Syndrome. Is any information on this available? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.111.161 (talk) 14:52, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Is the name really "John D. Carmack II"?
Outside of Wikipedia I've never heard of the "D." and the "II" part of his name. What does "D." stand for? Are there any sources for this name (vs. just "John Carmack")?

Emmy Awards, how many, when?
The article says honored, not an Award (source unavailable), while the "Emmy" page that is linked to says award (but no source). Lots of sources say award but not sure if they are reliable.

comp.arch (talk) 13:39, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Residence - politics
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_D._Carmack&diff=599480270&oldid=594421174

I looked up the address, is in conflict with the Infobox? I do not care where he lives, just not sure how to read this (and he might have moved). On the other hand should we link to info that gives the address? Would it be illegal in (some other?) countries? And while it's (official) public information (ok then?), is it appropriate/notable and/or legal to include political information about a (non-political) person? What if he (are we sure it is he) has published his views on some message board as he seems to have done, is it then ok? Saw some general info (not Ron Paul or looked for that). comp.arch (talk) 15:31, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

 * You may want to consult WP:BLP. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 15:53, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

 * In any case, on 24 June 2015, this sourced, publicly-available information, provided by the US FEC, was removed on the grounds that it was "unsubstantiated," and that there are "plenty of people in the U.S named 'John Carmack'." However, the source lists the subject's occupation as "Technical Director" at "id Software." As the information seems to be rather well-substantiated, I've restored it. --45.46.13.77 (talk) 15:41, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Atheist
"Having ... no belief in luck, fate, karma, or god(s)" strictly speaking would not make him an atheist. Not having a belief in god(s), is not the same as believing that there are no god(s).

To quote the Wikipedia entry on Atheism: "In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities." To quote Carl Sagan: "An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence. Because God can be relegated to remote times and places and to ultimate causes, we would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do now to be sure that no such God exists. To be certain of the existence of God and to be certain of the nonexistence of God seem to me to be the confident extremes in a subject so riddled with doubt and uncertainty as to inspire very little confidence indeed."

Based on the provided quote, we can't determine whether he is an atheist or not. Unless of course so other article confirms it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.103.221.52 (talk) 20:29, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

"Not having a belief in god(s), is not the same as believing that there are no god(s).". This is a true distinction, but irrelevant. You're talking about lacktheism vs atheism. It is either true or not true that a person is convinced god/s exist. That is a true dichotomy. If it is true that a person does not believe in any gods, then it is true they are atheists. There are no people for whom it is true that they do not have a belief in god, but do not also believe that there are no gods. This kind of non-atheist lacktheism only applies to babies and inanimate objects like rocks. If a person says they do not have a belief in gods, that person is what we all would call an atheist. They are absolutely not theists. "Negative" atheism is still atheism. "Weak" atheism is still atheism. "Soft" atheism is still atheism. Volound (talk) 08:31, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Move to "John Carmack"
Is there any reason why the initial is included in the article title? "John Carmack" redirects to "John D. Carmack" right now czar ♔   23:15, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

 * I think it's because there were other John Carmacks, so John Carmack was made into a redirect for John Carmack (disambiguation), and so this article was made into it's current form to distinguish it from other John Carmacks, like John K. Carmack. But then it was decided that this John Carmack is the primary topic for John Carmack, so John Carmack was a redirect to this article, but by that time, no one remembered that John D. Carmack used to be John Carmack, but was just renamed for disambiguation purposes. It makes sense to move it back to John Carmack, but by now you'll need an admin to do it. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 14:21, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

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Mario 3 port to PC
Along with John Romero, Carmack developed a port of Super Mario Bros 3. to PC, which he even offered to Nintendo. There are many resources on this subject, such as this: https://www.polygon.com/2015/12/14/10123754/john-romero-super-mario-bros-3-pc-demo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Albs-br (talk • contribs) 03:35, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Divorce
John Carmack's Facebook about page now says he is separated. On 2021/10/05 he updated posts such as https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2146412825593223 to add "[edit: at-that-time]" when mentioning his wife. I couldn't find any other mention of his divorce anywhere on the web. Can someone update his "Spouse" information? Lumaras (talk) 23:02, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Facebook page now shows 'divorced' KeenAlloy (talk) 19:43, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

John Carmack was pictured and tagged as "boyfriend"

John Carmack was pictured and tagged as "beau" — Preceding unsigned comment added by User9878 (talk • contribs) 20:16, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

 * Thanks for notifying and updating. Usually social media shouldn't be used as sources, but in this case it should be fine as it is about the subject themself. I believe everything is done here. Courtesy ping to . --Trialpears (talk) 02:33, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

John Carmack posted a tweet on twitter stating he has divorced. He met his new girlfriend through the VR Beat Saber games he would Tweet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User9878 (talk • contribs)

Personal info
Yesterday I added details about Carmack's children, being unaware of this old discussion about limiting such information. While Carmack originally disclosed full details about his first son per the reference, some 2.5 years later he pruned it. Whether that makes for a stronger case in restraining said info on Wikipedia I don't know. But fast forward to around 2013 and beyond, dad is tweeting regularly about his oldest son's experiences with technology and programming, most relevantly his first and second video game, published under his own name at http://www.1k3c.com/. I think that makes name and age/birth-date relevant to the wiki (although the game details themselves were understandably removed). Am I right/wrong?

From 2015 the youngest son is also featuring in dad's tweets, including photos. This [https://twitter.com/id_aa_carmack/status/815586770574278656? photo from 2017] indicates his name is most probably Connor, at age 7. But with no video game connection, I figured this is not (yet) relevant and the source too vague anyway to include it. No source was provided at the time for his birth month/year, btw, but it matches the age difference confirmed by dad.

Another data point surrounded by some uncertainty is Carmack's date of marriage to Katherine Anna Kang. In the latter's article the date was pinpointed to January 5 but recently generalized again. The exact wording was "We are getting married next month, and honeymooning in Hawaii". This suggests the possibility of marrying in Texas first, then going out to Hawaii. But Masters of Doom (p.282, paperback ed.) writes: "They wed in Hawaii in front of a small crowd of family and friends." In Carmack's article the same Jan 5 was entered in May 2015, then expanded two months later to a wedding date of Jan 1 and ceremony in Hawaii on Jan 5. Neither edit was sourced, but they were by anons so we can't ask.

Only three years later Carmack reminisced about Steve Jobs and wrote: "he wanted me to do a keynote that happened to be scheduled on the same day as our wedding." That was January 5. So where did Jan 1 come from? If there's no source, then I propose to rewrite that part around the single wedding date of January 5. Xymph (talk) 14:31, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Extensive vandalism
I highly recommend someone with rollback rights revert the page back to User:Pbrks's version on 26 January 2024. There may have been some minor legitimate contributions from there on, but due to the extensive scattering of vandalism, it'd be best to revert it to then. Further protecting the page is probably best too, as not to waste people's time. SchizoidNightmares (talk) 22:16, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, SchizoidNightmares, thanks for your vigilance, though funnily enough I had just restored Pbrks's version when I saw your post above. There was nothing legitimate whatsoever. On the contrary, there was more vandalism than we saw, because the edit filter caught some of it. Thank you for your thankyous too, lol. I have blocked the account and the IP (who are probably one person rather than two). But not fullprotected. Semi goes quite a long way with this kind of stuff — full protection is more for edit wars. Bishonen | tålk 22:49, 19 February 2024 (UTC).

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Luyten's Star

Luyten's Star (GJ 273) is a red dwarf in the constellation Canis Minor located at a distance of 12.35 ly from the Sun. It has a visual magnitude of 9.9, making it too faint to be viewed with the unaided eye. It is named after Willem Jacob Luyten, who, in collaboration with Edwin G. Ebbighausen, first determined its high proper motion in 1935. The star has two confirmed planets and two candidate planets, of which Luyten b is in the circumstellar habitable zone.

Properties
This star is approximately a quarter the mass of the Sun and has 35% of the Sun's radius. Luyten's Star is at the maximum mass at which a red dwarf can be fully convective, which means that most if not all of the star forms an extended convection zone. It has a stellar classification of M3.5V, with the V luminosity class indicating this is a main-sequence star that is generating energy through the thermonuclear fusion of hydrogen at its core. The projected rotation rate of this star is too low to be measured, but can be no greater than 1 km/s. Measurements of periodic variation in surface activity suggest a leisurely rotation period of roughly 116 days (which would give a velocity of ~0.15 km/s). The effective temperature of the star's outer envelope is a relatively cool 3,150 K, giving the star the characteristic red-orange hue of an M-type star.

At present, Luyten's Star is moving away from the Solar System. The closest approach occurred about 13,000 years ago when it came within 3.67 parsecs. The star is currently located 1.2 light years distant from Procyon, which would appear as a visual magnitude −4.5 star in the night sky of Luyten's Star's planets. However, Luyten's Star would only have an apparent magnitude of 4.6 from Procyon's sky because it is much less luminous. The closest encounter between the two stars occurred about 600 years ago when Luyten's Star was at its minimal distance of about 1.12 ly from Procyon. The space velocity components of Luyten's Star are U = +16, V = −66 and W = −17 km/s.

Planetary system
In March 2017, two candidate planets were discovered orbiting Luyten's Star. The outer planet, GJ 273b, is a super-Earth in its star's optimistic habitable zone. It has a minimum mass of 2.89 ± 0.26 Earth masses and orbits at a distance of 0.09110 ± 0.00002 AU, completing one orbital period in 18.650 ± 0.006 days. While the planet is on the innermost edge of the star's conservative habitable zone, the incident flux is only 1.06 $17.35$$571.232$, so it may be potentially habitable if water and an atmosphere are present; depending on albedo, its equilibrium temperature could be anywhere between 206 and 293 Kelvin. The inner planet, GJ 273c, is one of the lightest exoplanets detected by radial velocities, with a mass of only 1.18 ± 0.16 Earth masses. However, it orbits much further in, with an orbital period of only 4.7234 ± 0.00004 days.

GJ 273b is one of the closest known planets in its star's habitable zone.

Both planets are near 4:1 resonance; it is possible that, with still undiscovered ones, the entire inner part of this system is trapped in a single simple-mean-motion resonance chain like TRAPPIST-1.

In 2019, two more candidate planets were detected by radial velocity, making a potential total of four known planets in the system. If all four planets are present, their true masses must be close to their minimum masses for the system to be stable, with upper limits of $-3,691.487$ for b, $0.293$ for c, $3,382$ for d, and $0.09$ for e.

In October 2017, "Sónar Calling GJ273b", a project by METI and the Sónar music festival in Barcelona, Spain transmitted a series of radio signals towards Luyten's star from a radar antenna at Ramfjordmoen, Norway. The signal consisted of a scientific and mathematical tutorial on how to decode the messages and was accompanied by 33 encoded musical compositions by various musicians. A second signal series was transmitted in May 2018. Were anyone listening, the soonest response would be received by 2042.

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Talk:List of Romanians

Traian Vuia
Traian Vuia was not the first to build a heavier than air flying machine, the Wright brothers beat him to it by a few months. Do you have any reliable source stating otherwise? -- Gutza 13:51 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)
 * Note that it was the first heavier-than-air self-propellant aircraft. Wright brothers used a catapult for take off.
 * see: 1) the article on Wright brothers
 * 2) http://www.flight100.org/history/rom.html
 * Bogdan 14:50 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Oh, ok, nice to hear that, I honestly wasn't aware of that. Maybe an article on Traian Vuia would be in order? :-) Gutza 16:35 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)

What's the criteria for listing presidents here rather than at President of Romania - would it be better to only list them at President of Romania? Wondering simply... Martin

 * List of Americans only lists the most important six presidents of the US (in politicians section). I think here we should include the most important of them, too. Bogdan

An anon recently made some deletions. I restored Corneliu Vadim Tudor -- certainly a significant figure, however much one may despise him. Also eliminated were:

 * Andrew Calimach, author
 * The Cheeky Girls

I could not care less about the Cheeky Girls. Someone else is welcome to restore them to the list. As for Calimach, unless someone gives a good reason he does not belong on the list, I intend to restore him. He is no less Romanian than Andrei Codrescu, whom I assume we can all agree belongs on the list. -- Jmabel 06:52, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Calimach restored. -- Jmabel 04:55, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * It's obvious why he deleted it. Andrew Calimach wrote books about "Gay Greek Myths". :-) Bogdan | Talk 18:39, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Clearly. I figured that went without saying. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:29, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)

A recent anon edit removed "Dumitru Prunariu, astronaut (cosmonaut)." I have no idea why. If no one can explain this in the next 48 hours, I will feel free to restore. -- Jmabel 23:43, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Sabin Bălaşa
There has been a recent set of edits back and forth as to whether Sabin Bălaşa belongs in the list. I presume he has at least as good a claim as The Cheeky Girls. An article on him by someone with a clue (hint, hint) would make this clearer one way or another.

 * Got your hint, Joe :-) Now Bălaşa has a stub article, but I wish for someone more knowledgeable in art to say something about his works (not the propaganda ones, ofc). Contrary to what our anon editor suggests, Bălaşa hasn't created only "minor propaganda" - see the second link at the end of the article. Anyone who has objections, please make them _here_; otherwise i will restore Bălaşa in 48 hours. IulianU 12:03, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

And by the way, with reference to the "Wikipedia is POV" remark about his inclusion/deletion: inclusion/deletion inevitable involves decisions that cannot be totally objective. I think that's pretty universally recognized. -- Jmabel | Talk 00:10, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)

Gil Nicolesco?
Who is Gil Nicolesco? Google turns up nothing. -- Jmabel | Talk 22:29, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)

 * Gil Nicolescu returns one hit. It appears he is/was indeed a painter, but not a very important one. Bogdan | Talk 18:39, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Soccer
Someone recently deleted Costin Iorgu and added Gica Popescu. I don't follow Romanian footballers enough to have a clue what is right, but I have to suspect that at least one of these changes is wrong. Can someone clueful please address this? -- Jmabel | Talk 18:15, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)

 * I never heard of a player named Costin Iorgu (neither has google), but Gică Popescu was indeed an important footballer. Bogdan | Talk 18:30, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The list of soccer players is absolutely ridiculous.It includes Catalin Hildan and Michael Klein,I suppose because they're both dead,and it doesn't include Ilie Dumitrescu and Florin Raducioiu. Stefan Udrea 15:16, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Not being a soccer fan, I have nothing to add to this other than (1) being dead or alive should have nothing to do with it and (2) if you think notable players are missing, please add them. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:28, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

What is soccer???? Seby

Celestina Popa-Toma?
Celestina Popa-Toma, recently added under gymnastics, doesn't strike me as notable enough to belong here. 20 Google hits, unless she is better known under another variant of her name. If no one makes a case in the next 24 hours, I will probably delete. -- Jmabel | Talk 19:35, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)

Adrian Alexandru
Similarly for "Adrian Alexandru, WTF taekwondo". Google search for "Adrian Alexandru" + taekwondo gives only 2 hits, one of which says he has trained for two years in the sport. Again, maybe there is a reason he's listed: the other says someone became an Olympic contender by beating him, but again, given that the Olympic contender isn't on the list, why should Alexandru be. Unless someone demonstrates notability, I will delete this as well. -- Jmabel | Talk 19:36, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)

Tesla???
Why?? Here's what I have:

1) [] Nikola Tesla was born in 1856 in what is now Croatia to Serbian parents Milutin and Djuka Tesla

2) [] Nikola Tesla, American scientist of Serbian origin...

 * Truly. One can argue Tesla as Serb, Croatian, (adoptive) American, or even maybe Hungarian, but what is the case for calling him Romanian? Removing pending a solid citation to back this up. -- Jmabel | Talk July 2, 2005 03:43 (UTC)

 * I don't know of any solid reference on that topic, but the tale of Tesla being of Romanian/Vlach ancestry is an often-circulated rumor (might be true though). It's been discussed in Talk:Nikola Tesla/Archive 1 (see Vlach stuff section). I would remove Tesla from the list for now at least. Alexander 007 2 July 2005 08:36 (UTC)

Romanian nationality?
There are a few people here who can be considered Romanian by some criteria, and not Romanian by some other criteria. Examples:
 * Elie Wiesel: born in Romania, ethnicity Hungarian Jewish, works in French and Yiddish, became famous in France
 * Johnny Weissmuller: born in Romania, ethnicity Austrian, lived practically all his life in the US
 * Eugen Ionescu: born in Romania, partly ethnic Romanian, lived for long in Romania, became famous in France, works in French
 * Ladislaus Bölöni: born and living in Romania, ethnicity Hungarian

I think it would be nice to have a note after the leading paragraph stating the criteria by which the people in this list are selected. To me, it seems that the list has everyone with a Romanian nationality regardless of ethnicity or other criteria. If there are people on the list who were born outside Romania but are ethnic Romanians, this could also be noted.

KissL 7 July 2005 13:17 (UTC)

I erased Hermann Oberth from the Physics section...he surely wasn't Romanian. Stefan Udrea 15:35, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * An interesting question: he was born in Hermannstadt (now Sibiu). This brings us backe to the same remark that KissL made above: just what do we mean by Romanian. I think that we should probably define Romanian quite broadly for this article, but be clear on the criteria we used in each case. For example, we could list something like:
 * Hermann Oberth, rocket scientist, born in Hermannstadt (now Sibiu, Romania)
 * Jmabel | Talk 04:28, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Same with Edward G. Robinson, Bucharest-born Yiddish speaker who spent 10-years in Romania.

Too many Actors/Too much Read
The actors-actresses section on this list is way too long and the remainder is way too short. In addition, I've noticed a lot of "Professor of" next to peoples name in the scientific section. Shouldn't this list just contain significant scientists with achievements and not an random Professor? (anon 20 July 2005)
 * If these are, indeed "random professors" they should be dropped; I would suggest researching a small number of them and seeing if that seems to be the case. As for the profusion of theater people, it's probably just because several people been working on Romanian theater. Again, you might sample some and do some research to see if it really is excessive, but can see offhand that some of the redlinks (e.g. Constantin Nottara) are major figures awaiting articles. -- Jmabel | Talk 02:11, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Cosmonaut ?!?
from www.dictionary.com : cosmonaut= A Russian or Soviet astronaut. the Russians called their astronauts cosmonauts

so,how about we call Dumitru Prunariu an astronaut instead of a cosmonaut

 * He flew in the USSR space program, not the US space program, so cosmonaut would be correct. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:28, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Notability
I am removing the section "Romanian citizens Exiled" until notability is established. The sense in which these people are "exiled" is unclear: I am not aware that the present Romanian regime has ever sent someone into exile. The three names there were:

 * Adriana Hegbeli, NY- Real Estate Broker
 * James D. Milleew, NY- International Business Operation
 * Grigore Culian, NY- Owner and Editor in Chief-NY Magazin

Being a real estate broker is not encyclopedic. "International Business Operation" can mean anything, no indication of notability. Grigore Culian is apparently the editor not of New York Magazine but of a Romanian-language New York Magazin. That magazine might merit an article; I doubt its owner and editor does. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:41, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Vanity?
Leonida Constantin Brezeanu was added to the list three separate times. I've consolidated them. Probably not a particularly famous person, unless known by a different form of her name: I got only two Google hits on this. Does anyone know if this person is legitimately notable? -- Jmabel | Talk 05:35, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Apparently he is a not-so-famous composer and conductor. bogdan | Talk 09:08, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

 * So remove? -- Jmabel | Talk 20:57, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

In the List?

 * Adolf Albin
 * List of Bucharesters
 * --Sheynhertzגעשׁ״ך 02:31, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

I think all the Bucharesters are in there. You should probably make a CHESS PLAYERS section for Albin. HotelRoom 03:58, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Chemists
I don't honestly know whether Alexandru T. Balaban and Mihai Dimonie are important enough to be listed (in the latter case, I suspect not), but either they are, and their names should be links, or they are not, and their names should not be here. - Jmabel | Talk 06:14, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Haralambie Ţugu?
Who the heck is Haralambie Ţugu? I looked it up because the name seemed unlikely. Zero Google hits. I presume eithe misspelled or utterly bogus. There have been about 100 edits since I last looked at this page, so I'm not sorting through to find who added it. ~- Jmabel | Talk 04:12, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I see that this has now been corrected to Haralambie Ţugui. A quick Google search on that indicates that he was a poet, 1916-1986. - Jmabel | Talk 02:24, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Bela Lugosi?
I see that Bela Lugosi was recently added. Admittedly, where he was born is now Romania, but he was ethnically Hungarian, and by the time his native Lugos, now Lugoj, became part of Romania, he was long gone. Consequently, I am removing this. - Jmabel | Talk 04:17, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Red links deleted
Per the guideline on Lists (stand-alone lists) I've removed all the red links, as "each entry on the list should have a Wikipedia article." If anyone wants to write articles on any of the removed entities the pre-editing list can be found here. brenneman 05:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

 * That is absolutely not what Lists (stand-alone lists) says (and that page has not changed in months, unusual stability for a Wikipedia guideline). What it says is "Selected lists of people should be selected for importance/notability in that category and should have Wikipedia articles (or the reasonable expectation of an article in the future)." If you think that some of these do not have the reasonable expectation of an article in the future fine, then make your case, but you've removed a lot of quite notable people who happen not to have articles yet. The ability to place something in a list before an article exists and as a stimulus to writing an article is one of the main ways lists differ from categories. - Jmabel | Talk 06:59, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Removal of red link is justified by now. It's been forever. No improvements have been made.

Article Requests

 * Marian Cosma, handball player
 * Marcel Avram, music promoter for Michael Jackson, Pink Floyd, U2, Rolling Stones, Madonna, Rod Stewart, etc.
 * Nicolai Apetri, dance innovator
 * Oleg Danovschi, choreographer
 * Ioan Lascar, physician
 * Iulian Iancu, politician
 * Cosmin Guse, politician
 * Răzvan Mazilu, choreographer, dancer
 * Duiliu Marcu, Modernism
 * Paul Smarandescu, Modernism
 * Petre Antonescu, triumphal arch
 * Octav Doicescu, Modernism
 * Octavian Neagu
 * Marcel Olinescu
 * Géza Vida
 * Aron Densuşianu, poet, literary critic
 * Demostene Botez, poet
 * Dan Doboş, science fiction writer
 * Virgil Duda, writer novelist, essayist, journalist
 * Petru Dumitriu, Romance writer, academic, scholar
 * Constantin Gane, writer
 * Dumitru Popescu, writer
 * David Prodan, historian
 * Ion Păun-Pincio, writer
 * Haralambie Ţugui, writer
 * Gheorghe Tăutu, poet
 * Alexandru O. Teodoreanu, dramatist
 * Eugen Coeru
 * Florin Constantiniu
 * Zoe Dumitrescu-Buşulenga
 * Dinu C. Giurescu
 * Sorbul Mihai, dramatist
 * Sextil Puşcariu
 * Lazar Şăineanu
 * Valeria Guţu Romalo
 * Alexandru Rosetti
 * Rodica Boţoman
 * Theodor Capidan*Barbu Lăzăreanu
 * Dumitru Murărau
 * Virgil Vătăşianu
 * Cătălin Tolontan, sportswriter
 * Dumitru Tinu, former editor in chief of the daily Adevărul
 * Ovidiu Ioaniţoaia, sportswriter
 * Robert Turcescu, TV & radio talkshow host, former editor in chief of the daily Cotidianul (2004-2005)
 * Cristian Ţopescu, TV commentator
 * Ana-Maria Avram, composer, conductor, musicologist
 * Constantin Bobescu, violinist, conductor, composer
 * Florin Bogardo, pop music composer
 * Leonida Constantin Brezeanu, conductor, composer, pianist, ethnomusicologist
 * Dumitru Capoianu, composer
 * Dan Dediu, contemporary composer
 * Alexandru Flechtenmacher, composer, violinist, conductor, pedagogue
 * Liviu Marinescu, composer
 * Horatio Radulescu, composer
 * Ioan Scarlatescu, composer
 * Ion Vidu, composer
 * Luiza Borac, pianist
 * Aurelian Andreescu, pop singer
 * Horia Andreescu, conductor
 * Jean Bobescu, conductor
 * Iosif Conta, orchestra conductor
 * Dumitru Fărcaş, folk musician
 * George Georgescu, conductor
 * Valentin Gheorghiu, pianist
 * Dan Grigore, pianist
 * Nicolae Herlea, baritone
 * Aurora Ienei, pianist
 * Sherban (Şerban) Lupu, violinist
 * Cristian Mandeal, orchestra conductor
 * Emil Marinescu, tenor
 * Maria Moreanu, mezzo-soprano
 * David Ohanesian, baritone
 * Dimitrie Onofrei, tenor
 * Richard Oschanitzky, jazz pianist, composer, arranger, orchestrator, orchestra conductor ,
 * Dimitrie Popovici-Bayreuth, baritone
 * Stefan Ruha, violinist
 * Aura Urziceanu (also known as Aura Rully, Aura Borealis), jazz singer
 * Florin Piersic, actor
 * Irina Niculescu, director
 * Traian Stoica, introduced radio theater, edited many plays for radio
 * George Bănica, actor, director and playwright
 * Oana Botez-Ban, designer for theater, film, opera and dance
 * Ion Moina
 * Alin Minteoan
 * Costel Gâlcă
 * Constantin Stănici
 * Radu Nunweiler
 * Lavinia Agache
 * Mariana Bitang - former women's coach
 * Andreea Cacovean
 * Laura Cutina
 * Rodica Dunca
 * Dan Grecu
 * Anca Grigoraş
 * Anca Kiss
 * Floarea Leonida
 * Celestina Popa
 * Eugenia Popa
 * Daniel Popescu
 * Dan Potra
 * Melita Ruhn
 * Razvan Selariu
 * Silvia Stroescu
 * Ekaterina Szabo
 * Dumitrita Turner
 * Mihai Claudiu Covaliu, fencing
 * Târpa family, several famous Romanian physicians
 * Dinischiotu family, several famous Romanian physicians and professors
 * Petru Poni, mineralogist
 * Raluca Ripan (1894-1975), chemist
 * Mircea Desideriu Banciu (1941-2005), chemist
 * Emilian Bratu (1904-1991), founder of the Romanian school of Chemical Engineering
 * Aurelian Căluşaru, specialist in electrochemistry and isotope chemistry
 * Ion St. Basgan, inventor, rotary well drilling apparatus
 * Dragomir Hurmuzescu, specialist in radioactivity, X rays, and electricity, inventor of the first high tension dynamo
 * Dumitru Daponte, inventor in cinematography
 * Marian Apostol
 * Aretin Corciovei, specialist in theory of condensed matter
 * Horia Hulubei, known for work in spectroscopy and nuclear physics
 * Theodor Ionescu, specialist in electricity, precursor of MASER, microwave amplifier
 * Nicholas Ionescu-Pallas
 * Marin Ivaşcu
 * Constantin Miculescu, physicist
 * Dimitrie Negreanu, magnetism and mineralogy
 * Valeriu Novacu, theoretical physicist and historian of physics
 * Alexandru Proca, theoretical physicist, theory of mesons
 * Ioan-Iovitz Popescu, physicist
 * Ştefan Procopiu, key work on magnetic moment
 * Gelu-Claudiu Radu, physicist, journalist
 * Ioan Ursu, physicist
 * Şerban Ţiţeica, theoretical physicist
 * Dinu Adameşteanu, Italian archeologist of Romanian origin
 * Gheorghe Basangeac, philanthropist
 * Vasile Bogrea
 * Constantin Budeanu
 * Ion Dafinoiu, psychologist
 * Ovid Densuşeanu
 * Dumitru Drăghicescu, Social psychologist
 * Vladimir Gheorghiu, Prof. Dr., University of Giessen (a specialist in Hypnosis)
 * Irina Holdevici, psychologist
 * Nicolae Mărgineanu, psychologist
 * Victor Mărgineanu, psychologist
 * Virgil Măgureanu, sociologist
 * Irineu Mihălcescu (1874-1947), theologian
 * Anton Pătârlăgeanu, philologist
 * André Scrima (1925-2000), hermeneutist
 * Anastasia Soare, 'eyebrow queen' to A-list Hollywood celebrities
 * Andrei Popovici-Bîznosanu
 * Victor Tufescu
 * Verestoy Attila, finance and industry mogul
 * Ferenczy Károly, media tycoon
 * Eugen Bădărău, experimental physicist
 * Augustin Maior, physicist, engineer
 * Elena Buica, writer
 * Liviu Glodeanu, Composer
 * Nicu Wagner, Singer, Composer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.233.84.98 (talk) 09:45, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Marijuana
Is there a Romanian female rapper by that nick? 88.117.38.203 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 12:04, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Linking to an orphaned article on a former minister of industry
There is an article on Anatoliy Blashku that is presently an orphaned article. Apparently, Anatoliy Ivanovich Blashku (1944 - ) was the Minister of Industry of Transnistria. Could some editor, more skilled than I, please look into how to include a wikilink to this page. Thanks in advance. TheAMmollusc (talk) 11:11, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

John DeLorean
I think this got here by mistake. John DeLorean was not born in Romania.195.212.29.190 (talk) 15:37, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

hmm page need verification i know about romanians were are very importants but i belive some are lies

title: Talk:List of Romanians