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Max Meggs
Good morning Selket, do you mind helping me? I'm an intern at the Los Angeles talent agency that handles many big time actors. I've been asked to add a few actors to wikipedia but you deleted my last entry? How was it not "relevant" ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by VanguardMGMT (talk • contribs) 04:52, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Pomaikai
Hi Selket, after blocking and deleting my contribution I clarified by understanding towards wikipedia and committed myself to the guidelines. After doing so, I would appreciate if you could get back to me now. Thanks for your help, Noerrmarketing (talk) 07:00, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

ANI Appeal
Please review the two sources I have added to my statement which cite WMC's article in exactly the same manner that I did, as an example of alarmism from global cooling. One is peer reviewed, one is a book. Thanks, GregJackP   Boomer!   12:43, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you are going about this wrong. You were article banned for edit waring.  In an edit war it does not matter who is "right".  If I take a position on whether your version or the other is better, then I would no longer be uninvolved.  -Selket Talk 14:29, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Selket: If this is simply a question of edit-warring, why has WMC not received the same sanction? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 14:44, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

User:Vrghs jacob
Can you take a look again please? You issued a final warning during the last ANI discussion, but he's back at it again (along with his IP 141.xx). It's getting to be very troublesome maintaining articles. cheers. — Spaceman  Spiff  19:37, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

BennyTV
His response: "So the reader looses out, because peoples ears aren't good enough. Doubt you've even heard the album! " Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 21:40, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Robot wars
Already commented, and left a note for Dispenser. Thanks, Rich Farmbrough, 16:30, 18 September 2010 (UTC).

Pending changes/Straw poll on interim usage
Hi. As you recently commented in the straw poll regarding the ongoing usage and trial of Pending changes, this is to notify you that there is an interim straw poll with regard to keeping the tool switched on or switching it off while improvements are worked on and due for release on November 9, 2010. This new poll is only in regard to this issue and sets no precedent for any future usage. Your input on this issue is greatly appreciated. Off2riorob (talk) 23:48, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

TRIZ - IP still reverting
Hi - thanks for your comments on ANI/3RR. I'll take care in future to specifically warn mentioning the 3RR rule in such cases. Anyway, as per your request for updates, the IP is still at it. Its the sixth revert with no sign of understanding the processes. VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 16:51, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Exactly, the sixth revert was definitely after the 3RR warning and also after the warning about WP:CONSENSUS; the edit summary in the last revert indicates that the IP does not intend to pay attention to WP:CONSENSUS. Nsk92 (talk) 16:55, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * He's blocked now. -Selket Talk 19:02, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Move
I can't say you got the move at Black people and crime in the United Kingdom correct. Yes, there was a majority in favour of the move but none of them put forward compelling arguments and most of them were, in my opinion, refuted. None of them addressed the substantial number of sources which looks at this exact issue. Claims that the article title was non-neutral were unsubstantiated. Christopher Connor (talk) 00:23, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Despite your reply to virtually every post supporting the merge, teh consensus was quite clear. It did not appear to me that any of the support rationale proposed were against policy.  I've had my position not end up carrying the day plenty of times, and I know it can be frustrating, but you need to move on. -Selket Talk 00:36, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Depends what you mean by consensus. If you mean by number of votes, the move was appropriate. If it's about arguments grounded in policy and guidelines, things are not so clear. The support votes weren't "against policy" as such, just weak, and did not address the existence of this topic in reliable sources. Since no result will be had of this conversation, do you recommend I hold an RfC into this? Christopher Connor (talk) 00:48, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it is not simply number of votes, although that is one consideration. When the votes are overwhelmingly in one direction (as with this case) and are not flawed for some reason then the majority wins.  This is less true with article content than with moves and deletions since there cannot be a compromise on whether an article is moved.  You are welcome to open up an RFC, although it starts to look like forum shopping and eventually WP:STICK. -Selket Talk 00:55, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * There were three strong oppose votes, and the support votes were most definitely flawed; no need for me to dissect them here since I did that at the article. Can you, for example, highlight an argument from the support votes that explained why a topic that exists outside Wiki shouldn't exist here i.e. one that addressed the extensive body of literature on the subject and explained why it shouldn't exist here? Without such an argument, no move can possibly take place. I'm not sure what the appropriateness is of highlighting the two shortcuts when an RfC is different from a req move and will draw a wider range of editors and will an actually be a discussion as opposed to a vote. Also the HORSE page says "Simply saying that a horse has five legs doesn't make it true – you must prove it"—that I have demonstrated firmly. Christopher Connor (talk) 01:17, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

EUROAVIA
Dear Selket,

You were recently listed in the deletion log to have deleted the English page of 'EUROAVIA-The European Association of Aerospace Students', on October 6th. Although the deletion log has changed over the last two days, the aforementioned deletion took place on AfD reasons, listing you as the modifier. We would like to ask you what the main reasons were for this deletion as well as whether you have the original text of this article. Several active members have spend precious time creating this article, and although there might have been a lack of citation (as noted in the log), we would like to reinstate the page with the possible improvements you would suggest.

I'm looking forward to your answer.

Best regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by EUROAVIA10 (talk • contribs) 16:53, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you provide a link to the AfD you speak of please? I can't find it.  -Selket Talk 18:57, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Don Smith (songwriter)
Please restore the article Don Smith (songwriter) which was deleted against the consensus of this discussion. By deleting the article, you have also deleted the article's editing history, and the consensus did not support deletion. Once the article has been restored, then you might redirect the article according to the consensus, but with the article's editing history still intact. Rednevog (talk) 21:57, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * With only six edits, most of which were purely administrative, there was no meaningful history to preserve. For reference I will paste the final version of the page below, in case you want to reference it. -Selket Talk 22:23, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Don Smith is a songwriter who is best known for the popular song Double Shot (Of My Baby's Love) co-written with Cyril Vetter . Double Shot (Of My Baby's Love) was originally recorded by Dick Holler & the Holidays, and later recorded by The Swingin' Medallions who released it as their second single in 1966. The song became a Top 20 hit for the group, peaking at #17 on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100. . Double Shot (Of My Baby's Love) has since been recorded by numerous artists including Joe Stampley.

Vancouver, Washington
DMS coordinates are not like significant figures. You can't just chop the seconds off as being "too precise", because then that's a different coordinate, D M' 0". In this case, the coordinate you changed it to was utterly wrong: vs

Like, in another city and state wrong ;). Cities don't generally have an established centroid or anything that can accurately be pointed to with a single coordinate that says "this is the city!", but that's a different discussion entirely. Vertigo Acid (talk) 05:07, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

 * I'm moving this conversation to the talk page for the article. --Selket Talk 16:29, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Teglement
Regarding the deletion of the With a Voice article, I AM a notable source. No, there are no printed works regarding With a Voice to cite, but I am a very valid source. If a person can cite a random article written by a nobody, why can a person not cite themselves? I admit, I practically AM a nobody, but I am also as valid a source as anything else you'll find. I feel absolutely insulted that you would tear something down due to it not being "relevant". Guess what? The Duke of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg is not at all relevant, and yet that article has been here forever for some unknown reason. You are deleting an article on a band who are active, and people want to know about them, and I -thought- that Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia which can be edited by anybody, would be a very reasonable place to document a bands history. Other unknown artists such as Slow Club, Guapo, and Ninth Moon Black have Wikipedia entries that the vast majority of people more than likely will never see. Why on Earth would you delete an article with relevant information about an active artist? I admit, I'm extremely infuriated. Can I at least be graced with a copy of the article? It's not like Wikipedia can't handle one more article on a band.

Teglement (talk) 03:34, 28 February 2011 (UTC)Teglement

 * I am sorry you feel infuriated. Unfortunately it is wikipedia's definition of reliable source that matters, not your definition.  Also, "notable" is not the same as "relevant".  If you are aware of other articles about bands that you don't feel meet Wikipedia's inclusion criteria, then feel free to bring that to administrator attention by placing db-band at the top.  As for your request to a copy of the article, I will copy the last pre-deletion version below. --Selket Talk 04:58, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

I do apologize for my previous rants. However, this still does not fix any problems. You're essentially telling me to let out my aggressions by marking pointless articles so they can be deleted, too. If at all possible, I would -prefer- to speak to somebody of higher hierarchy regarding this. There is still no solution to what I see as a problem, and you have done nothing to aid me in finding one. You're simply sending me to other pages that have not answered any of my questions even remotely, and I am finding myself extremely dissatisfied. Again, I apologize for sounding unprofessional and generally being a pain, but this is important to me. Thank you for the copy. Teglement (talk) 05:25, 28 February 2011 (UTC)Teglement

 * No worries, I allow myself to get heated at times too. I fully understand that having an article you worked on be deleted can be frustrating.  I'm sorry you didn't find the policy pages I linked helpful.  If you have any specific questions I will do my best to answer them.  I did not mean that you should let out your aggression by asking to have other pages deleted.  Rather, I simply meant that those pages should be deleted if they do not comply with Wikipedia policy, and you would be helping the encyclopedia to tag them for deletion.  There is not really someone "higher" than me since this is supposed to be a community effort.  It's not like regular editors report to admins who report to someone else.  Rather, we try to run things by consensus.  Admins are just trusted users who are given a few extra tools (like page deletion or blocking) that are considered dangerous to give to everyone.  We are supposed to use them to implement community decided policies.  However, if you disagree with an administrative action that does not mean you have no recourse.

 * There are two principle options open if you would like to appeal. If you disagree with the policy (in this case WP:CSD and WP:BAND), then you should ask for it to be changed.  To do so, make a post on the talk page of one of those policy pages explaining why and how you think the policy should be changed.  Other editors will comment on your proposal and once (and if) you feel a consensus has developed for your change you can edit the policy page itself (or ask an admin to if it's protected).  On the other hand, if you think an administrator has not interpreted a policy correctly (in this case if you're fine with WP:BAND but think I still shouldn't have deleted your article) there are a number of ways you can ask the community to reconsider the action.  In this case you would want to make a request for deletion review.  I'm sorry to send you to yet another project page, but the instructions on how to appeal the deletion are right there.  Again, if you have any questions, or would like help in submitting the deletion review I will help as best I can.  --Selket Talk 05:40, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

With a Voice is a hardcore metal band from Thief River Falls, Minnesota. With a Voice was founded in 2010 after the disbanding of Raftevold's original band, Visions Foreshadow and Gilbert's pop punk band Novice Nation. Although not yet signed, With a Voice has played shows with artists such as These Hearts, Alistair Hennessey, and Your Memorial. They released a demo in 2010 under the name Our Escape, and are currently in the writing process for a new EP slated for Q3-Q4 2011.

Early History (2010-2011)
With a Voice is the product of Maurer, Gilbert, Taves, and Raftevold. In the rising of a noteworthy hardcore scene in Minnesota, the four original members decided to start writing and create a new musical project named Lexington. The first known songs known to be written by the band were Consider This a Blessing, Hiding From Your Hands, and Joshua. Eventually, they hired their first bassist, Chris Compeau. Compeau eventually left to join Bemidji deathcore band A Day of Plague. Compeau was replaced by Youssef Chamma until his made his return a few months later. After recording the Our Escape demo, Compeau left after the first show under the name With a Voice. Chamma returned briefly for one show before being replaced by Paul Olson.

Members

 * Current members
 * Dylan Raftevold - lead vocals (founding member)
 * Josiah Taves - lead guitar (founding member)
 * Michael Gilbert - rhythm guitar, vocals (founding member)
 * Paul Olson - bass guitar (2011-present)
 * Kord Maurer - drums (founding member)

 * Former members
 * Chris Compeau - bass guitar (2010, 2011)
 * Youssef Chamma - bass guitar (2010, 2011)

Discography

 * Albums
 * Our Escape Demo (2010)

Jimit Sanghvi
Could you please explain why this page was deleted? As provided by you :-

1.] (A7: No explanation of the subject's significance (real person) : The significance is self evident in the page itself and a detailed explanation of significance was provided in "Talk:Jimit Sanghvi" page which also got deleted.

2.] WP:SPAM : This page does not, in any ways, promote or advertise Jimit Sanghvi.

Where did my page not meet the criteria for Wikipedia? please help me how I could make the page better. Because, I want to create the page with similar contents again.

I hereby produce you the last edited version of this page: ---

Jimit.R.Sanghvi is an Indian scientist and a Student pursuing Master of Science in Physics, Astronomy at the University of Turku , Finland. In 2008, Sanghvi led a research which stated the primary theoretical analysis of Ozone Layer Formation in Ozone depleted regions which received scientific acceptance at the International Journal of Energy and Environment .This analysis is the first of its kind in the field of Atmospheric and Environmental Science.

The research was conducted during Sanghvi's Final year of Bachelor of Engineering in Electronics and Telecommunication at K. J. Somaiya College of Engineering from University of Mumbai in 2008.

His fields of scientific interests includes : Atmospheric and Environmental Sciences, Black Holes, Cosmology, and Quantum Gravity.

Publications

Notables of this research

 * International Award :.
 * Honorary Appreciation : the Department of Electronics and Telecommunication, K.J.Somaiya College of Engineering, University of Mumbai.

Publications

Wardwiki
Would you be happy me headlining a Wardwiki article that redirect to the online medical encyclopaedia? What was deficienct in the original wardwiki article compared, lets say, to Radiopedia? A little more than 12 hours notice is helpful before removing articles so we can reedit them!! I'll not rewrite until I have a response. I think it's important to have a basic wiki on wikipedia for the wardwiki website — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonmarcstanley (talk • contribs) 07:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Please read the Wikipedia guideline on Conflicts of interest and then recreate the article if you feel you can without violating that guideline. Please remember to explain why the subject of your article is noteworthy.  In particular WP:WEB explains what websites are considered notable.  --Selket Talk 08:11, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Pope Joan (band)
Hi, concerning Pope Joan (band), the article read "The release achieved critical acclaim from the British music press gaining good reviews from national publications such as NME, Artrocker, Rock Sound and The Fly, alongside positive support from many prominent music blogs and fanzines." That is, in my eyes, an indication of importance and should at least earn it an AfD. Could you reconsider the deletion? Thank you, Amalthea  09:29, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * done --Selket Talk 09:44, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll comment there. FWIW, I have no idea whether that band is notable. Cheers, Amalthea  09:53, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Christian School of Kingwood
Hello, I am the administrator for the website www.cskw.org. I am also on the Board of Trustees. I am not sure why the Christian School of Kingwood page was deleted from Wikipedia as I had simply included the same descriptions of the school, student body, activities, etc as we post on our school's website. There is no copyright issue as the school - through me as a Board member - authorized the use of information I posted for the wikipedia entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cskjason (talk • contribs) 19:25, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'm sorry for the inconvenience. We take copyright issues very seriously.  If you would like to create an article for the school, you can do so with original content with no worries.  If you would like to use the text from the web site, then we are going to need to make sure that the school has released the text under a license that is compatible with Wikipedia's policy.  One way is for the school's website to indicate that it is releasing the content of the site under an appropriate license.  Creative Commons Attribution, Share Alike and Creative Commons Attribution licenses are probably best.  If you have access to the school's web site, simply place a note at the bottom of the page with the copyright info stating that the content of the site is available under CC-BY-3.0 or whatever.   If you can't do that then you will need to communicate your desire to release the content to OTRS.  This can be a little complicated, but the instructions are at Permissions.  I hope this helps. If not, let me know and I'll help you as best I can.  --Selket Talk 19:34, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I have added the appropriate release to the school's website at: http://www.cskw.org/about_us.htm --cskjason
 * That's terrific. Feel free to recreate the article.  --Selket Talk 21:17, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Fail Editor
He removed V.G. Varun because it did not indicate the significance of him. Well, it did. He sold millions of albums. Why did you delete it?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.177.17.53 (talk) 03:05, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, sorry I'm not sure what you are talking about though. Can you please say what editor, or which page you feel shouldn't have been deleted?  -Selket Talk 05:11, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

File:Upstart-header.png
The file above does not meet the threshold of originality so as to be copyrighted or eligible for fair use, as I had stated so on when I first moved it there. What issues should be resolved? :| TelCo NaSp  Ve :|  07:24, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Commons is going to delete it eventually, so we should keep the local copy. It almost certainly is subject to copyright protection and Commons will err on the safe side. --Selket Talk 17:19, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it's too simple to entail any copyright to it, like File:ARD_logo.svg or File:The Microsoft logo & slogan.png. I've talked with a Commons administrator, and he seems to think it's okay too. I've checked and there does not seem to be any other problems with the local copy, so the move to Commons should remain uncontroversial. :| TelCo  NaSp  Ve :|  07:14, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

KeepLocal
If people have to replace the template with more words anyway if the image is uploaded to Commons, it defeats the purpose of having just one template. Can't we keep this as simple as possible? SlimVirgin TALK |  CONTRIBS 21:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Are you worried about the number of words in the rendered template or what has to be typed in the edit box? I did it the way I did because most people using the template will presumably be uploading the image only to en and thus they should just put KeepLocal with no arguments.  Also, the NoCommons template often linked to a file that didn't actually exist on commons.  If you've got a suggestion on how to do it better, I'd love to hear it though.  I don't pretend to think my way is necessarily the best. --Selket Talk 21:57, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

 * I was hoping you could just add the functionality of NoCommons to KeepLocal, and leave it at that, so that people only had to add "KeepLocal" and if the image existed on Commons, that link would show up (this image may exist on the Commons as ...). The more people have to type (write this if X, write that if Y), the less user-friendly it is. But maybe that's easier said than done, I don't know.  SlimVirgin  TALK |  CONTRIBS 21:47, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I toyed with the idea. The problem is it creates the dead link if the file isn't on commons.  I think you're right though, and I'll change it shortly.  --Selket Talk 22:52, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Better? --Selket Talk 23:25, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

 * Yes, that's much better. Thank you! SlimVirgin  TALK |  CONTRIBS 01:38, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Harrassment from an editor

 * Hello Selket, I only want you to be notified that I'm being harrassed by user Yworo. I'm fed up with all this, I just want him to leave me alone, without him writing lies and accusations on my back on a regular matter. I think I made myself clear enough to him and any other contributor about my actions and motives when I got involved in an edit war with him, and tried to be as honest as possible about it.

 * I replied to his latest insinuation here, where I deleted everything by mistake and then added it back, but he then flooded me of notices and threats 30 minutes ago on my discussion page, while it was obvious it was an accident. He also opened a report against me here.
 * I don't want to deal anymore with this, it's a waste of time, I just don't want any more contact or harassment from that person, I may not be perfect in the way I'm writing my opinion, but I tried my best to keep being civil and of good faith all along. 93.19.187.248 (talk) 23:26, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

I saw your note. I'm looking through his edit history deciding what to do. Profanity will not help your cause. --Selket Talk 23:51, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but that's just creepy. The guy had been looking for my IP and DNS and adding it on links to his report. 93.19.187.248 (talk) 23:53, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * When you edit without logging in, your IP address is visible. There is a big warning on the edit page saying as much.  IPvandal displays a whois link.  --Selket Talk 23:57, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Didn't know about this, I often find myself lost in the maze of WP official pages when trying to get an info. Thanks. It looks like he's running a personal crusade on me anyway... I'm probably better off for the night. Thank you for reading my note and sorry for the inconvenience. 93.19.187.248 (talk) 00:03, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Agnes Milowka
No, it wasn't an unsourced BLP - the first sentence gives the clue "... was ... who died....". Please take more care. PamD (talk) 23:58, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, it's got a ref now, so it's that much the better. --Selket Talk 23:59, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Advice
User:Aleenf1 keeps reporting me to the boards ( almost five times 4 times) and nothing has happened, what should I do to stop this nonsense? Intoronto1125 (talk) 22:35, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you provide me links to the diffs of his reports please? Thanks.  --Selket Talk 22:51, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * ,, ,

Also filed a false sock puppet case against me with no evidence (although 1 account is mine, it was already known). . that is all I could find, but it feels like he files a report every week! please get him off my case. Intoronto1125 (talk) 01:38, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Uppermost
I would like to discuss the Uppermost page I recently created and which you subsequently deleted. You claim the artist is not notable. I respectfully disagree. He has released over 90 songs, has reached the top of the electro house charts on Beatport and Junodownload, and has been playlisted by Tiësto, Armin Van Buuren and Steve Angello. LessThan3 calls him an EDM prodigy. --Rc232 (talk) 21:30, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * If you read the deletion log carefully, you'll notice that I did not "claim the artist is not notable." Rather I claimed that the article, "does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject."  Please go read the notability guidelines for musicians and if you still think this artist is notable (under that definition) feel free to recreate the article with references to reliable sources backing up the claims of notability.  Generally speaking though, articles that say "occupation: college student" are going to get deleted. --Selket Talk 21:44, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

deletion of article p j Thomas(cvc)
Thanks for deleting article p j thomas(cvc). It was I who put the speedy deletion notice. Suri 100 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suri 100 (talk • contribs) 06:16, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem. --Selket Talk 15:13, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

AHaynes1
Good Morning Selket. This is my second attempt to contact you for help.

I tried to create a page called "Victory Education Partners". The content was limited to basic details (mission, history). It was also referenced in another page and has the same layout as other school such as "Uncommon Schools". Why was it deleted? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.Ahaynes1 (talk) Ahaynes1 (talk) 16:08, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

 * It was deleted under criterion for speedy deletion G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion. The article did not say why Victory Education Partners is notable per Wikipedia's notability guidelines, and was written like an advertisement.  Many companies try to create articles about themselves on Wikipedia in order to increase their web traffic.  Wikipedia considers this spam and deletes the article.  I would encourage you to familiarize yourself with our policies and, perhaps, edit a few articles before creating a new one.  If you do recreate the Victory Education Partners article, please remember to say why it is notable. --Selket Talk 18:51, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

/* Willow Palin */
Hi, there is a discussion as regards this un-protection and recreation at the BLP noticeboard here, regards. Off2riorob (talk) 01:31, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Regarding Briery Creek Press
I understand the necessary information for the article, but do you mind taking it easy on the rapidity of deletion? I started the page today, and it was deleted in 5 or so hours. I'm a graduate student man, I'm doing fifteen things, I just need the deletion to be a little slower. As far as establishing importance goes, you deleted my page the same day, but this Adam Sanat still exists? If it still sucks after I finish, delete it, but please wait until I finish?--Xoutkastx3 (talk) 00:59, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

 * Something that perhaps should have been deleted wasn't. This does not mean that nothing else can be deleted.  The article was deleted because it did not give any reasons why this particular company is notable.  Also, you stated that you worked for the company.  This makes your contributions to the article a violation of WP:SPAM and WP:COI.  -Selket Talk 01:32, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand ? It was previously deleted - IFun4all. Citing reason: "Article about a company, corporation, organization, or group, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject (CSD A7))", Sir Lothar (talk) 07:15, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

 * I think you wanted to deleted it under criteria for speedy deletion G4: G4. Recreation of a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion. Two things about that.  First, it was a different title, unless you link to the previous article, it's going to be very hard for an admin to find it.  Second, G4 applies to recreated articles that were deleted pursuant to a discussion.  If an article that was speedied was recreated, it can't be speedied again unless, e.g., it still falls under A10.  This article makes claims of notability, so you'll need to submit it to AfD. --Selket Talk 13:50, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I've provided links to the previous article - IFun4all and Ifun4all are about the same topic - game producing company. As far the second part of your response, the only option is to put it on AfD, right ? OK, I see the point, thanks for answer. Sir Lothar (talk) 11:10, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

constructionworks
I listed constructionworks because it a small company in a small upstate town.there is no chance of advertising as there are no points of contact. I think small company,s should have the right to be archive as well as the large well known company's. Wikipedia is supposed to be the wealth of human information, why take away any information that adds to the grand picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shanerking (talk • contribs) 23:07, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

CopyVio
As a matter of interest, re Louis Landon, is copyright violation no longer a criterion for speedy deletion? Isn't this reasonably convincing? - David Biddulph (talk) 19:47, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You are absolutely right. I was looking at the previous version that was flagged for A7.  I'm not sure why I didn't get an edit conflict warning.  Oh well, it's gone now. --Selket Talk 00:14, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Hill jumping
Okay, I have to say it. When I saw your AFD for Hill jumping my mind somehow flipped the H and the J. :D Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 19:47, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * What? I don't get... Oh wait! I see what you did there. --Selket Talk

RCAF Detachment Alliston
I restored the article because it contains a version from here which is licensed as CC BY-SA 2.5 but I didn't get time to revert back. I'm going to restore it again, so the history is preserved, give me a few minutes to revert back and add the necessary credits. By the way didn't you wonder why I had restored the article? Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 23:41, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You want the copyright violation text out of the edit history. It should be revdel'ed or delete the page and restore only the new version.  --Selket Talk 23:49, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It would seem there may be a larger problem. CFB Wainright and CFB Wainwright also RCAF Station De Winton and RCAF Station De Winton plus I don't know how many others. I've emailed the site to ask about who is copying who. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 00:28, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * By the way as per Copyright problems/Advice for admins (the last section) says that you can revert to the last good copy but that "It may be a good idea to use Wikipedia:Revision deletion on the versions that contain the copyright infringement". CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 00:37, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

National History Bowl Page
Just wondering why the National History Bowl page was deleted. It says it duplicates information, which may have been confused with the National History Bee, its partner event. The other tag you had was that it was vandalism; maybe the former article was derogatory in some fashion, but I have not seen it. As the person who deleted the page, would you be okay with me restarting it anew or explaining to me why it was deleted?

Javasquadron (talk) 21:43, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

 * Hi, please be aware that there are a lot of hoaxes here, the similarity to the National History Bee page made this seem like either a hoax or a duplication (the two reasons I marked for the deletion). Consider the following two sections with differences highlighted:

 * The National History Bowl is a nationwide history quiz competition for teams of high school and middle school students in the United States. For its inaugural academic year of 2010-2011, the National History Bowl consists of a series of approximately 30 state-level qualifying competitions from which the top teams advance to the National Championships in Washington, DC. In 2011, the National Championships will be held on April 16 in and around Washington, DC, with portions of the competition occurring at the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History, Mount Vernon

 * The National History Bee is a nationwide history quiz competition for individual high school and middle school students in the United States. For its inaugural academic year of 2010-2011, the National History Bee consists of a series of approximately 30 state-level qualifying competitions from which the top students advance to the National Championships in and near Washington, DC. In 2011, the National Championships is scheduled to be held on April 17 with the preliminary rounds taking place at a Washington, DC high school and the final rounds taking place at Mount Vernon

 * Feel free to recreate the article, but please include at least one reference to a reliable source so that it doesn't get deleted again. -- Selket Talk 22:26, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Anglo Pyramidologist
Hi. Protecting User talk:Anglo Pyramidologist is not really the appropriate way to stop the user misusing the page, I don't think, because we don't want to stop other people commenting there (we shouldn't prevent other warnings, notifications, etc). I'd suggest modifying the user's block and disabling their Talk page access - if you're OK for me to change it that way, I'm happy to go ahead and do that instead. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:42, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

 * I felt it wasn't just him. There were other editors trolling the talk page as well.  I was just trying to shut the page down before it got out of hand and I thought that people leaving comments AP couldn't respond to would have just made the situation worse rather than better. -- Selket Talk 17:29, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, fair enough - I didn't see anything else that looked like trolling to me, but I guess it might indeed be fairer to deny access to everyone in order to prevent any escalation. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:43, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Phone tables
Per this edit summary: the subpage in my userspace is something I developed as a central location to clearly indicate what consensus is on the format of the tables at pages like voiced velar fricative. If you take a close look at the introductory paragraph of this subpage, you'll find that there is a link to the archived original discussion about the formatting; there are also links at the bottom that link to discussions that amend the prescribed format. Since you've asked where the consensus is, I'm assuming that you missed this.

As I said in a previous edit summary, anyone is welcome to go to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Phonetics and discuss the issue again, bringing up the merits of a change in this policy/MOS. Since I'm not interested in engaging in an edit war, I'd like to leave it to either you or User:Wareh to remove Old English yourselves. You should at least understand that the "modern spoken languages" stipulation is agreed upon by the community and going against that is going against what others have agreed to. — Æµ§œš¹  [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 22:41, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

 * What I saw in the linked discussion was you proposing your template (a tiny part of which was the modern spoken languages only rule) and a couple other people not objecting. If there were a MOS page or policy page saying no dead languages, I would certainly bring it up there, but there is not.  This conversation should really be happening on the talk page of the article in question so I hope you don't mind me moving it there. -- Selket Talk 23:41, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Proposed Image Deletion
A deletion discussion has just been created at Category talk:Unclassified Chemical Structures, which may involve one or more orphaned chemical structures, that has you user name in the upload history. Please feel free to add your comments.  Ron h jones (Talk) 23:05, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks -- Selket Talk 16:03, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Don't I know you from somewhere?
Hi, this will seem a little odd, but your name seems very familiar. Did you ever play an online game named Nile Online by chance? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 06:54, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

 * Nope, sorry. Selket is the name of an Egyptian deity, so it doesn't surprise me that someone use that name in Nile Online. -- Selket Talk 15:21, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

 * Ah alrighty. Yeah, I thought you might be this very nice British ex-pat living in Egypt who I knew from there. Apologies. =p Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 16:16, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Greenbrier Academy
Hello, I am concerned about the speedy deletion of Greenbrier Academy. I understand why, but I am concerned about WP:BITE in this instance. The user was someone who was new. Outside of today, they only had one previous edit on Wikipedia from last year. I see that you left a nice note on their page, but I think the nominator may have addressed the issue with a little more tact. I was prepared to help the user make it better, fwiw. I did leave a note on the nominator's page, expressing my concern as well.

I hope you have a nice day!

Roodog2k (talk) 19:49, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

 * I also was worried about WP:BITE, which is why I left the note. Copyright violations, however, put the entire project at risk even if the editor had the best of intentions. -- Selket Talk 21:24, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

PAG infobox
I had to revert your edits, because the template had errors on it. For example, the years that the countries competed in never showed up. Intoronto1125 Talk Contributions  16:24, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/FK Jadar
Hi there; you shouldn't really bundle articles into an AfD after a discussion has already begun (as you have done with this one); I would advise you open a second AfD for the new articles. Regards, GiantSnowman 22:07, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I know, and typically I would agree. However, it's only been a few hours, there's only one comment there, and a bunch more showed up on CSD, where I didn't want them to get deleted.  I weighed splitting the discussion and thought this would be better.  I did everything I could to be transparent as well. If you really want me to withdraw the nom and re-list them all together, I will.  -- Selket Talk 22:10, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No, no, it's fine - I suppose I'm the only one to have commented, and my view of the new articles is the same as my view of the old. GiantSnowman 22:23, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

rfc deleted
Can you please undelete Category talk:16th-century Palestinian rabbis. There is a discussion taking place there. Thanks. Chesdovi (talk) 22:25, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Talk pages of deleted pages are deleted per CSD: G8. You should probably talk to whoever deleted the category.  Once the cat is gone, the talk page has to go too.  If you need a revision for something I can probably get it for you.  -- Selket Talk 22:35, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * How long are deleted pages stored for? Chesdovi (talk) 22:44, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Unless they are deleted by Oversight or office action, they stay forever. -- Selket Talk 22:45, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Chesdovi (talk) 22:55, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Monarchs; Deletions of blue-linked names from lists of people
I've no problem if you delete them. Otherwise, the risk exists that "Selket the Magnificent" will be listed, and we won't know enough to delete him.--Epeefleche (talk) 02:22, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Selket, could you explain the justification for what looks like a one-editor campaign against lists of people by nationality? I'm aware of no consensus against such lists, no discussion about them as a whole, and to blank or delete articles for reasons that are fixable is contrary to editing and deletion policy. So I'm confused by all of this. I think it needs to stop for a centralized discussion if there are genuine issues; your deletion and blanking rationales are the same in every instance. postdlf (talk) 14:26, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

 * I have only nominated a few. I was going to see where the AfD discussions go before proceeding to something more drastic, such as nominating the entire lists by nationality group. I have replied to your questions at Articles for deletion/List of Andorrans. -- Selket Talk 14:33, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

The first article you removed in this edit, Iliya Pavlov, cites to a BBC story that clearly and repeatedly identifies him as Bulgarian; it even has the headline "Bulgarian tycoon gunned down." postdlf (talk) 19:57, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

 * I didn't see it. If you have a reference, put it back in and link it. -- Selket Talk 19:59, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It was in the article. It still is.  Did you not look at the article and check its sources before removing it from the list?  postdlf (talk) 20:04, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to check every source in every article to see if maybe it also happens to mention that the person is Bulgarian. If there is a footnote on something that claims the person is Bulgarian, I follow it.  The note you mentioned was on the sentence "He was the leader and founder of the Multigroup organization, as well as of G-13."  There's nothing wrong with you adding someone you find a source for though.    I do want sourced entries.  I don't claim to be perfect.  Just fix it rather than complaining to me.  -- Selket Talk 20:09, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I will add it back in, but I checked your work and found a very clear error that was extremely easy to identify. If you're not even checking a source in a linked article that has "Bulgarian" in its title, it's hard for me to see what verification you are doing, if any.  You're editing carelessly and it needs to stop.  If you can't take the time to do it right, then you shouldn't be doing it at all.  If you disagree, I will be happy to start an ANI discussion.  postdlf (talk) 20:13, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't have any obligation to prove a negative. Now, I would like to assume good faith, but it really looks like you're trying to find a reason to get mad at me.  I've added 47 references so far to an article that had zero.  I think it's kind of hard for you to argue that I haven't added enough.  -- Selket Talk 20:17, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Good for you for adding 47 references. Bad for you for removing many entries that can be easily verified.  Not only was the BBC story in Pavlov's article, it also shows up in the first page of Google hits for his name.  Also in the first page of Google hits for Kroum Pindoff is a story that identifies him as born in Bulgaria.  And as well, a story about Emil Kyulev that identified him as "Bulgaria's second richest man."  Georgi Naydenov is a bit more difficult; I had to look to Google News Archives, and I'm not 100% sure that it's the same man.  But that still means a failure of 3/4 on that edit alone.  So can you explain how you have been looking for references prior to removing names, so we can identify why you missed those?  And I don't understand what you mean in this context by no "obligation to prove a negative."  postdlf (talk) 20:35, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I click the link, look at the wikipedia article, if there is a citation on a statement in the article that appears to indicate the person is Bulgarian, I click the reference and see if it does. Sometimes, I have been trusting other editors that it is actually contained in the reference if it's a book or something.  Many of the articles have even been of people who are clearly claimed to be something other than Bulgarian.  Many more are clearly the wrong person (like a football player in the musicians section).  I'm trying to find all the references I can, but I cannot possibly be completely exhaustive.  You seem now to be suggesting that I should google each person in the list to see if there are any references there.  My point is, whatever I do to find sources, you will always be able to come up with something else I could have done.  If you find references that I missed that's great.  Please add them in.  But the rule is references are needed for inclusion.  Definitive proof of there not being any references anywhere is not needed for exclusion.  -- Selket Talk 20:41, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Honestly, googling is considered a pretty minimal effort at trying to find sources; I can't count the number of times I've seen criticism leveled in an AFD for a claim based on "only did a google search". Don't remove anything if you're not even going to put out that modicum of effort to verify it.  The rest of your comment goes back to your selective reading of WP:BURDEN (and ignoring of WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM), which I have already commented on here.  postdlf (talk) 21:09, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

 * I'm going to repeat here what I said elsewhere, just to be clear, and to be clear that it applies to all wp people lists. I fully support the deletion of all names (including monarchs) that have neither a wp article, nor a ref.  If the name has either a wp article or an appropriate (third party) ref, it is fine to leave it in as-is.  WP:LISTPEOPLE states that "If a person in a list does not have an article in Wikipedia about them, a citation (or link to another article) must be provided to establish their membership in the list's group and to establish their notability."  To me, that supports the either/or construct.  It is also in keeping with the state of play on wp (I can say this, having edited a substantial percentage of such lists on wp).  Deleting blue-linked names because they do not have citations is not in keeping with how the vast majority of people lists on wp are maintained, and I would not support that approach.  I saying this, having probably deleted more names from lists than anyone in this discussion, if not on wp.--Epeefleche (talk) 04:02, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
 * But, for anyone who wants to sink their teeth into the (IMHO) real problem, here is a list of red-linked, non-ref'd names that they can sink their teeth into: List of Estonian actors.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:26, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Are you checking first whether they have an article on et:wiki? postdlf (talk) 20:45, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope. Not required, best as I can tell.  And different wikis have different criteria, in any event.  If there is sufficient material to support an article on en wiki, people are free to create them.  There are many articles that are AFD'd on en wiki, however, despite containing articles on other wikis -- I just !voted on one that is on French and German wikis (sans refs), a few minutes ago here ... simple existence of an article on another wiki is not a reflection of notability for these purposes.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:49, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Bot
Your bot has a problem, see here, here, here, here, ... and so on and so on and so on. I estimate around 50 pages with very bad failures, and more with simple failures due to adding  when the italicised name is blank. By the way, shouldn't we be using the lang template for that case? Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:18, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It's worse than I thought. All the ones that you converted with missing coordinates are screwed up, see the pushpin map in here for example. Ugghhh. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk)  00:36, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * And, we have a template for the Irish Grid Reference, which makes it easier to maintain if the URL is changed. See for example, this fix.  Thanks. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk)  00:40, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * And this is not good. Although, it does show exactly how you were performing the changes, since your edits inside the "pre" tags didn't expand. Thanks. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk)  01:02, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Just woke up. The map issue is a bug in Infobox settlement I've put a note out about it, but haven't gotten any response yet.  I may try to track it down if I can find it today.  I think it's actually in location map~.  I'm not sure why it migrated the template on the doc template.  It shouldn't have.  At any rate, Infobox place Ireland is scheduled for deletion, so I'm not too worried about that. As for the Irish Grid template, was not in the sample migration placed in the TFD.  I would have used it if I had known about it.  It's easy to migrate them all back if need be.  I see you did a cleanup run.  What's the status of this?  -- Selket Talk 15:41, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Take a closer look at what you added [here in the latd and longd fields. This is not a bug in infobox settlement, but a problem with what you are passing to the template.  You forgot the pipes in your conversion template. For the other ones with missing coordinates, the "location map" doesn't know what to do if you don't give it any coordinates for the pin, it could display a different error, but it should still display an error.  Adding four apostrophes when the "other_name" is blank was also a bug in your conversion.  There was another editor cleaning up all of these by hand, and I have given him the list of the ones that you converted so he can check each one.  My bot finished checking all of your edits for the obvious malformed conversions, so I don't think there is anything for you to do here.  For the ones that were missing coordinates, but had coordinates in the article, my bot moved the coordinates to the infobox.  For the ones with no coordinates at all, my bot flagged them, and I added the coordinates by hand.  I think the take away message here is to try to run these conversions in a more supervised manner.  There is an even worse one that I am cleaning up right now where a bot mangled about 10,000 football biography articles, with no obvious method for detecting the errors, and months of edits after the initial bad bot run.  Thanks! [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] ―Œ (talk)  16:59, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Can you programme your bot to re-visit Irish settlement infoboxes to create links that are missing following the recent automated work performed by the bot?

The data label Dáil Éireann, where present, should be wikilinked so it appears as  Dáil Éireann  and the label Irish Grid Reference, where present, should change to  Irish Grid Reference .

In short, the two data labels, Dáil Éireann and Irish Grid Reference need to become Wikilinks, the latter one piped, just as other labels in the infobox (e.g. Province, County) already are. Thank you. — O'Dea (talk) 21:36, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't Dáil Éireann be in the government section, rather than in the subdivisions section? The linking part isn't a problem.  I have had my bot help in cleaning these up after the initial translation to the new infobox. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk)  22:09, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Both of those can be done, but I need to run it on my work computer so it will be at least 24 hours. Like I said previously, I used the proposed mapping at User:Dr. Blofeld/Ireland, which didn't link either for some reason.  Not sure why TBH. -- Selket Talk 14:16, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * This should now be done, so nothing more to do. I also did a run through to look for "Northern Ireland" places, since these would then have the wrong country.  I believe I got them all.  There are still many which were "places" that aren't settlements, like Scotia's Grave.  I don't know how easy it would be to change the "settlement_type" for parishes and townlands to something other than "town", and to check for places that aren't settlements.  I already changed at least one (e.g., a school).  Unfortunately, this will probably require checking by human. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)  01:12, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Deletion of 'Choice not Chance'
Hi Selket, We'd like repost 'Choice not Chance' with our newly amended version which contains the significance of the campaign. Here it is: (please let us know if this reads ok)

Choice not Chance is a brand developed by the Health Sponsorship Council <http://www.hsc.org.nz/> ’s problem gambling programme to address gambling harm among at risk audiences and communities in New Zealand. The Health Sponsorship Council is a New Zealand government agency that uses health promotion to promote health and encourage healthy lifestyles.

Gambling-related harm is a continuing health issue in New Zealand, with significant health, social and economic implications. While gambling is a popular recreational activity and some communities benefit from funds raised from gambling, for many people and their families gambling has harmful consequences and the effects on the community are far reaching.

Through the use of social marketing campaigns, Choice not Chance aims to raise awareness and reduce the impact of gambling related harm in New Zealand. It is targeted at enabling people who are at higher risk of developing gambling problems and those affected to intervene before gambling becomes harmful.

Choice not Chance was launched on 22 June 2011 and replaced the Kiwi Lives campaign that began in 2007 and profiled real life stories of people affected by problem gambling.

Research HSC undertakes and commissions research to both inform and evaluate its problem gambling health promotion activities and campaigns. Findings based on consumer insight research and surveys are published on the HSC website <http://www.hsc.org.nz/researchpublications.html>.

External links •	choicenotchance.org.nz •	Health Sponsorship Council website <http://www.hsc.org.nz/> Thanks, The Choice not Chance Team — Preceding unsigned comment added by PSteam (talk • contribs) 20:30, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Hamburg Institute for Social Research
Hello, you deleted this article under section A7 of the speedy deletion criteria, could you please either restore the article which I was working on when I was blocked as a suspected sockpuppet or create a sub page so I may expand upon it, thank you. The Last Angry Man (talk) 22:32, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Settlements missing geocoding
Category:Settlements missing geocoding, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Pichpich (talk) 22:29, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Dead languages in tables
Since you participated in the discussion at Talk:Voiceless velar fricative regarding the inclusion of dead languages in occurrence tables in articles on speech sounds last April, I think you'll be interested in the discussion I started at WikiProject Linguistics. Regards. — Æµ§œš¹ <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"> [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 20:22, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Selket.png

A tag has been placed on File:Selket.png requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the image is an unused redundant copy (all pixels the same or scaled down) of an image in the same file format, which is on Wikipedia (not on Commons), and all inward links have been updated.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Cloudbound (talk) 21:07, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

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Minister for Science (Canada)

The minister of Science is a vacant office that was in the Cabinet of Canada and existed under various forms from 1971 to 2019, when the portfolio's responsibilities were absorbed into the innovation, science and industry portfolio.

History
The portfolio was called the Minister of State for Science and Technology from 1971 until 1990, when a cabinet reshuffle saw the creation of two new science-related full cabinet positions: the Minister of Industry, Science and Technology, and the Minister for Science. The former combined aspects of the now-defunct post of Minister of Regional Industrial Expansion and the Minister of State for Science and Technology. While it was active, two of the three full ministers for science were simultaneously Minister of State for Small Business.

When Jean Chrétien came to power in 1993, he did not nominate a full minister for science. Instead, he created the position of Secretary of State (Science, Research and Development), which was assigned by Order-in-Council to assist the Minister of Industry. While this position subsequently changed name in 2008 to Minister of State (Science and Technology), its role did not change much until 2015.

In 2015 under the first Trudeau government, Kirsty Duncan was appointed to the newly-created position of Minister of Science. However, this position remained under the same legal framework as its predecessor, responsible for assisting the senior portfolio of Minister of Innovation, Science and Economic Development (the restyled Minister of Industry). Duncan's portfolio was expected to oversee basic research, while Navdeep Bains would oversee applied science. In July 2018, the office's portfolio was expanded to include responsibility for Sport Canada and was renamed to Minister of Science and Sport.

Following the 2019 federal election, the portfolio became vacant and Bains' portfolio was expanded—he was appointed as the Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry (previously called, Innovation, Science and Economic Development).

Ministers
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title: Minister for Science (Canada)


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Rick Roufus

Rick John Roufus (born June 3, 1966) is a retired American kickboxer. He has also competed professionally in boxing and mixed martial arts. An accomplished professional fighter throughout his competitive career, Roufus has won multiple world championships across the globe in several weight classes, he was world champion as a super middle weight, light heavyweight and heavyweight. Roufus held titles for all the major kickboxing associations worldwide (P.K.A., I.K.F., I.S.K.A., F.F.K.A. and K.I.C.K.), and is known for his boxing skills and powerful kicks. He is the older brother of Duke Roufus who is also a kickboxer and a Muay Thai and mixed martial arts instructor. Rick Roufus is the Global Director of Fighter Development for PKA Worldwide. In 2012 Rick Roufus was inducted into the World Kickboxing League Hall of Fame.

Biography and career
Rick Roufus began his martial arts practice at the age of 5 under the tutelage of his father Pat J Roufus, a renowned P.K.A. referee, who had graduated as a black belt in 1973 by Dukan Yun. Rick learned taekwondo from his father. He quickly rose up the national karate points circuit and debuted as a professional kickboxer in his late teens. He had his first professional fight in May 1985 against the U.C. Owens, whom he defeated by unanimous decision after 5 rounds.

In April 1987, he fought against John Moncayo for the world title of K.I.C.K. at super middleweight. Roufus knocked out Moncayo in round 7 to win his first world title.

In the beginning of his career, Roufus fought under the rule of Full contact where leg kicks, elbow strikes, and knee attacks were not allowed. He changed directions on 5 November 1988 when he challenged Changpuek Kiatsongrit in a non-title fight in Las Vegas. His pre-fight kickboxing record was 28 perfect wins. Roufus knocked Changpuek down twice with his fists in the first round, causing him a broken jaw, during the break Chanpuek's corner spilled a bucket of water and ice in the ring trying to buy time for Changpuek to recover, finally Roufus lost by TKO in the fifth round due to the culmination of low kicks that he was not prepared for. Roufus had found out the same day of the fight that they would fight with leg kick rules. After the fight, the Roufus brothers sought out Thai experts to learn the art of kicking and kick control.

On 19 June 1991, Rick Roufus faced Marek Piotrowski. It was a rematch, as Piotrowski defeated him in their first encounter. The vacant ISKA Full Contact Light World title was on the line, while Piotrowski's PKC Full Contact Light Heavyweight World title was also up for grabs. Roufus won by heavy second-round KO from a high kick that left the Polish fighter unconscious on the canvas.

On December 20, 1991, Roufus defended his ISKA Full Contact World Light Heavyweight title against Dutchman Rob Kaman. Initially, Roufus who had dominated 11 of the 12 rounds was declared the winner by unanimous decision, later the bout was declared a no contest after Kaman's corner protested that the fourth round had ended 45 seconds early, the only round they believed could have been. It was critical for Kaman as he had managed to land a high kick in minute 1 causing Roufus to reel. A second fight between the pair took place in February 1994 at Palais Omnisports in Paris-Bercy, France. Tickets for the fight sold out (20,000 people) weeks in advance. Roufus won the match by KO in the second round.

On January 22, 1994 Roufus won the IKF Pro Full Contact Rules Light Heavyweight World Title when he defeated Michael McDonald of Vancouver, BC, Canada, by "KO" at :43 seconds of round 1 at Caesars Tahoe Casino in Lake Tahoe, Nevada.

On March 26, 1994, he traveled to Montreal, Quebec, Canada, where he faced Jean-Yves Thériault. Roufus won a unanimous decision after 12 rounds, defending his PKC Full Contact World Light Heavyweight title. In Paris, in 1994, he again faced Ernesto Hoost, W.M.T.A. Light Heavyweight World Champion. and the W.K.A. Roufus dominated the fight for the first 10 rounds but finally lost via KO in round 11 when Hoost landed a powerful high kick.

He later decided to enter the world of boxing. He enjoyed some success, but he was never able to fight for a world championship. In August 1996, he challenged for the vacant WBC Continental Americas cruiserweight title. He knocked out Sean McClain, and won his first and only title in boxing. After several losses Rick Roufus returned to kickboxing. He emerged victorious at the K-1 USA held August 17, 1998 in Las Vegas, quickly dispatching Pedro Fernandez and Jerome Turcan.

On May 15, 1999 in Lowell Massachusetts, he won the IKF Pro International Rules Heavyweight World title when he defeated Stan Longinidis of Box Hill, Victoria, Australia by RSC after Loniginidis suffered a broken bone in his foot at the end of round 9.it was also later known Longinidis had been ill weeks leading to the fight. Roufus was ahead on all three judges cards at the time, 89-81, 86-83 and 88-81.

In his MMA debut, Roufus lost to Maurice Smith in the first round via kimura at the Strikeforce: At The Dome event in Tacoma, Washington on February 23, 2008.

In March 2008, Roufus had his second MMA bout, this time in Newkirk, Oklahoma for Caged Combat Championship Fights. With his first wrestling training partner in MMA working his corner Daniel K Finch from Yukon Oklahoma, He defeated Mike Buell via unanimous decision. After a stint in several local promotions, Roufus brought his mixed martial arts record to 4 wins with 6 losses.

In 2002 he defeated Kurt Hasley by unanimous decision in the quarterfinals of K-1 USA Las Vegas, in the semifinals he faced Dewey Cooper whom he also defeated by unanimous decision. In the final he faced Mike McDonald being the rematch of their 1994 bout at Caesars Tahoe where Roufus won his IKF Full Contact Rules World Title when he knocked McDonald out. It was a rematch McDonald was looking forward to, especially with leg kicks this time... However according to sources, Roufus had slipped on the ring canvas in his second bout of the night and actually tore his ACL from him in the bout. Against McDonald he fought cautiously due to the injury because he didn't want to risk hurting it anymore. In the end, he felt like he had done enough to win. However after 3 explosive rounds of action, the scores were Judge #1: 29.5 to 28.5 Roufus, Judge #2: 29.5 to 29 Roufus and Judge #3: 29.5 to 29 McDonald (Source Nevada Boxing Commission). Although it should have been a "Majority Decision Win" for Roufus, instead, it was a draw due to K-1 rules requiring you to win a tournament by 2 full points. Because of his injury to him, Roufus withdrew from the bout by choosing not to fight the extra 4th round, giving McDonald the win.

Unfortunately Roufus lost to the rules not McDonald.

In October 22, 2011, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA. Roufus won the IKF Legends Title by forfeit when opponent Mighty Mo failed to pass his Nevada State Physical. On the night Roufus fought an exhibition bout against Anthony Newman. Roufus was finally able to meet up with Mo almost a year later on September 8, 2012 in Los Angeles California, winning a 3 round Split decision.

His last professional fight was at K-1 World Grand Prix 2012 in Tokyo final 16, at the age of 46 he faced 25-year-old James Wilson, the result of the match was a draw.

Titles
Hall of fame
 * Kickboxing
 * 2011 I.K.F. International Legends Title
 * 2003 K-1 World Grand Prix 2003 USA runner up
 * 2002 K-1 World Grand Prix 2002 Preliminary USA runner up
 * 1999 I.K.F. International Rules Heavyweight World Champion
 * 1998 K-1 USA Grand Prix '98 Champion
 * 1996 I.S.K.A. Full Contact Heavyweight World Champion
 * 1994 I.K.F. Full Contact Light Heavyweight World Champion
 * 1991-94 P.K.C. Light Heavyweight World Champion
 * 1991-94 I.S.K.A. Full Contact Light Heavyweight World Champion
 * 1990 F.F.K.A. Light Heavyweight World Champion
 * 1989 F.F.K.A. Super Middleweight World Champion
 * 1987 K.I.C.K. Super Middleweight World Champion
 * 1986-89 P.K.C. Middleweight U.S.A. Champion
 * 1986 P.K.C. Light Middleweight U.S.A. Champion
 * Boxing
 * 1996 W.B.C. Continental Americas Cruiserweight Champion

2012 WORLD KICKBOXING LEAGUE

Kickboxing record
! style=background:white colspan=9 |Fails to qualify for K-1 Grand Prix '98 Final Round. ! style=background:white colspan=9 |Wins IKF Full Contact Light Heavyweight title. ! style=background:white colspan=9 |Retains ISKA. Full Contact Light Heavyweight World title. (3) ! style=background:white colspan=9 |Retains ISKA Full Contact Light Heavyweight World title. (2) ! style=background:white colspan=9 |Roufus was initially declared the winner by decision but the match was later declared a no-contest after Kaman's corner protested that only 1 minute had been fought in the 4th Round - a round that could have been critical to Kaman as he had hurt his opponent. As a result he still retained his ISKA Full Contact Light Heavyweight World title. (1) ! style=background:white colspan=9 |William Knorr failure to attempt 8 kick minimum in 3 different rounds ! style=background:white colspan=9 |Wins ISKA Full-Contact Light Heavyweight World Title and Piotrowski's PKC Full Contact Light Heavyweight World title. ! style=background:white colspan=9 |Wins FFKA Light Heavyweight World title. ! style=background:white colspan=9 |Loses PKC Middleweight U.S title. ! style=background:white colspan=9 |Wins FFKA Super Middleweight World title.
 * - style="background:#c5d2ea;"
 * 2012-10-14 || Draw ||align=left|🇺🇸 James Wilson || K-1 World Grand Prix 2012 in Tokyo final 16 || Tokyo, Japan || Decision draw || 3 || 3:00 || 65-9-3
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 2012-09-08 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 Mighty Mo || K-1 World Grand Prix || Los Angeles, USA || Decision (Split) || 3 || 3:00 ||
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 2011-11-22 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 Anthony Newman || WCK Muay Thai: USA vs. China || Las Vegas, Nevada, USA || KO (spinning back fist) || || ||
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 2007-05-00 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 John James  || Shin Do Kumaté  || St. Petersburg, Florida, USA || KO (Left High Kick) || 1 ||  ||
 * - style="background:#c5d2ea;"
 * 2006-09-09 || Draw ||align=left|🏴 Gary Turner || Shin Do Kumaté X || St. Petersburg, Florida, USA || Decision draw || 4 || 3:00 ||
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 2006-03-05 || Win ||align=left|🇮🇷 Mehrdad Khan Moayedi || Shin Do Kumaté IX || St. Petersburg, Florida, USA || TKO (kick to the body) || 3 || ||
 * - style="background:#fbb;"
 * 2005-04-30 || Loss ||align=left|🇯🇵 Musashi || K-1 World Grand Prix 2005 in Las Vegas || Las Vegas, Nevada, USA || Decision (Majority) || 3 || 3:00 ||
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 2004-08-07 || Win ||align=left|🇯🇵 Akebono || K-1 World Grand Prix 2004 in Las Vegas II || Las Vegas, Nevada, USA || Decision (Unanimous) || 3 || 3:00 ||
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 2003-08-15 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 Jeff Ford || K-1 World Grand Prix 2003 in Las Vegas II || Las Vegas, Nevada, USA || Decision (Unanimous) || 3 || 3:00 || 59-7-1
 * - style="background:#fbb;"
 * 2003-05-02 || Loss ||align=left|🇺🇸 Carter Williams || K-1 World Grand Prix 2003 in Las Vegas Final || Las Vegas, Nevada, USA || TKO (Referee Stoppage) || 1 || 2:24 ||
 * style=background:white colspan=9 |Fails to qualify for K-1 World Grand Prix 2003 Final Elimination.
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 2003-05-02 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 Maurice Smith || K-1 World Grand Prix 2003 in Las Vegas Semi-final || Las Vegas, Nevada, USA || Decision (Unanimous) || 3 || 3:00 ||
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 2003-05-02 || Win ||align=left|🇧🇷 Eduardo Maiorino || K-1 World Grand Prix 2003 in Las Vegas Quarter-final || Las Vegas, Nevada, USA || TKO (2 Knockdowns) || 1 || 2:54 ||
 * - style="background:#fbb;"
 * 2002-05-03 || Loss ||align=left|🇨🇦 Michael McDonald || K-1 World Grand Prix 2002 Preliminary USA Final || Las Vegas, Nevada, USA || TKO (Corner Stoppage) || 4 || 3:00 ||
 * style=background:white colspan=9 |Fails to qualify for K-1 World Grand Prix 2002 in Las Vegas.
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 2002-05-03 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 Dewey Cooper || K-1 World Grand Prix 2002 Preliminary USA Semi-final || Las Vegas, Nevada, USA || Decision (Unanimous) || 3 || 3:00 ||
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 2002-05-03 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 Kurt Hasley || K-1 World Grand Prix 2002 Preliminary USA Quarter-final || Las Vegas, Nevada, USA || Decision (Unanimous) || 3 || 3:00 ||
 * - style="background:#fbb;"
 * 2000-03-18 || Loss ||align=left|🇫🇷 Cyrille Diabate || I.S.K.A. Championship || Las Vegas, Nevada, USA || TKO (Knee injury) || 3 || 3:00 ||
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 1999-05-15 || Win ||align=left|🇦🇺 Stan Longinidis || MASS Destruction || Lowell, Massachusetts, USA || TKO (Retirement) || 9 || 3:00 ||
 * style=background:white colspan=9 |Wins IKF International Rules World Heavyweight World title. (1)
 * - style="background:#fbb;"
 * 1998-09-27 || Loss ||align=left|🇧🇷 Francisco Filho || K-1 World Grand Prix '98 opening round || Osaka, Japan || KO (Right Low Kick) || 3 || 0:15 ||
 * style=background:white colspan=9 |Wins IKF International Rules World Heavyweight World title. (1)
 * - style="background:#fbb;"
 * 1998-09-27 || Loss ||align=left|🇧🇷 Francisco Filho || K-1 World Grand Prix '98 opening round || Osaka, Japan || KO (Right Low Kick) || 3 || 0:15 ||
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 1998-08-07 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 Curtis Schuster || K-1 USA Grand Prix '98 Final || Las Vegas, Nevada, USA || Gave Up (Unable to fight) || N/A || N/A ||
 * style=background:white colspan=9 |Wins K-1 USA Grand Prix '98 and qualifies for K-1 World Grand Prix '98 opening round.
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 1998-08-07 || Win ||align=left|🇫🇷 Jerome Turcan || K-1 USA Grand Prix '98 Semi-final || Las Vegas, Nevada, USA || KO (Right Hook) || 2 || 0:58 ||
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 1998-08-07 || Win ||align=left|🇲🇽 Pedro Fernandez || K-1 USA Grand Prix '98 Quarter-final || Las Vegas, Nevada, United States || KO (Left Hook) || 2 || 1:50 ||
 * - style="background:#fbb;"
 * 1997-09-07 || Loss ||align=left|🇫🇷 Jérôme Le Banner || K-1 Grand Prix '97 1st round || Osaka, Osaka, Japan || TKO (Referee Stoppage) || 3 || 2:05 ||
 * style=background:white colspan=9 |Fails to qualify for K-1 Grand Prix '97 Final.
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 1996-06-01 || Win ||align=left|🇧🇾 Igor Sharapov || ISKA: The Clash Of Champions || Paris, France || TKO (Doctor Stoppage) || 4 || 2:00 ||
 * style=background:white colspan=9 |Wins ISKA Full Contact Heavyweight World title.
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 1995-03-25 || Win ||align=left|🇳🇱 Martin van Emmen || Nuit des Titans || Marseille France || KO (Hook)|| || ||
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 1995-03-13 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 Lavelle Robinson || I.S.K.A. Kickboxing || Santa Cruz, California, USA || KO (Left High Kick) || 3 || 0:30 ||
 * - style="background:#fbb;"
 * 1994-11-12 || Loss ||align=left|🇳🇱 Ernesto Hoost || Thriller in Marseille || Marseille, France || KO (Right High kick) || 11 || 1:02 ||
 * style=background:white colspan=9 |Loses ISKA Full Contact Light Heavyweight World title.
 * - style="background:#f7f6a8;"
 * 1994 || Exhibition ||align=left|🇫🇷 Dominique Valera || || Paris, France || Exhibition  ||  || ||
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 1994-03-26 || Win ||align=left|🇨🇦 Jean-Yves Thériault || Karatemania VIII || Montreal, Quebec, Canada || Decision (Unanimous) || 12 || 2:00 || 45-2
 * style=background:white colspan=9 |Retains PKC Light Heavyweight World title. (1)
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 1994-02-05 || Win ||align=left|🇳🇱 Rob Kaman || Le Choc des Titans || Paris, France || KO (Left Hook) || 2 || 1:06 ||
 * style=background:white colspan=9 |Retains ISKA Full Contact Light Heavyweight World title. (4)
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 1994-01-22 || Win ||align=left|🇨🇦 Michael McDonald || International Kickboxing Federation - Karatemania || Tahoe, Nevada, USA || KO || 1 || 0:43 ||
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 1994-02-05 || Win ||align=left|🇳🇱 Rob Kaman || Le Choc des Titans || Paris, France || KO (Left Hook) || 2 || 1:06 ||
 * style=background:white colspan=9 |Retains ISKA Full Contact Light Heavyweight World title. (4)
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 1994-01-22 || Win ||align=left|🇨🇦 Michael McDonald || International Kickboxing Federation - Karatemania || Tahoe, Nevada, USA || KO || 1 || 0:43 ||
 * 1994-01-22 || Win ||align=left|🇨🇦 Michael McDonald || International Kickboxing Federation - Karatemania || Tahoe, Nevada, USA || KO || 1 || 0:43 ||
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 1993-05-07 || Win ||align=left|🇵🇱 Józef Warchoł || ISKA World Title || Paris, France || TKO (Corner quit after round) || 3 ||  ||
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 1993-03-26 || Win ||align=left|🇳🇱 Luc Verheye || ISKA Kickboxing || Paris, France || KO (kick to the liver) || 4 || ||
 * - style="text-align:center; background:#cfc;"
 * 1992-12-15 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 Jersey Long || Karatemania V || Montreal, Quebec, Canada || TKO ||  || || 39-2
 * - style="text-align:center; background:#cfc;"
 * 1992-11-13 || Win ||align=left|🇳🇱 Ernesto Hoost || ISKA: Thriller en Marsella || Marseille, France || Decision (Unanimous) || 12 || 2:00 || 38-2
 * - style="text-align:center; background:#cfc;"
 * 1992-04-25 || Win ||align=left| Henk Pelser || Karatemania IV || Atlanta, Georgia, USA || KO || 8 || || 37-2
 * - style="text-align:center; background:#c5d2ea;"
 * 1991-12-20 || No Contest ||align=left|🇳🇱 Rob Kaman || Les Choc Des Geants || Paris, France || No Contest || 12 || 2:00 ||
 * - style="text-align:center; background:#cfc;"
 * 1991-08-24 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 William Knorr || Karatemania III || USA || Disqualification || 4 || || 36-2
 * - style="text-align:center; background:#cfc;"
 * 1991-06-22 || Win ||align=left|🇵🇱 Marek Piotrowski || || Chicago, Illinois, USA || KO (High Kick) || 2 || 0:59 || 35-2
 * - style="text-align:center; background:#cfc;"
 * 1990-02-04 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 Kevin Whaley || FFKA World Title || Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA || Decision (Unanimous) || 10 || 2:00 || 33-2
 * - style="text-align:center; background:#cfc;"
 * 1990 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 Bob Thurman || ||  USA || KO (Left Hook) || 2 ||  ||
 * - style="text-align:center; background:#fbb;"
 * 1989-08-19 || Loss ||align=left|🇵🇱 Marek Piotrowski || || Chicago, Illinois, USA || Decision (Unanimous) || 10 || 2:00 || 31-2
 * 1989-08-19 || Loss ||align=left|🇵🇱 Marek Piotrowski || || Chicago, Illinois, USA || Decision (Unanimous) || 10 || 2:00 || 31-2
 * - style="text-align:center; background:#cfc;"
 * 1989-07-20 || Win ||align=left|🏴 Andy Mayo || || Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA || KO || 3 || || 31-1
 * - style="text-align:center; background:#cfc;"
 * 1989-00-00 || Win ||align=left|🇫🇷 Michel Mangeot || || || ||  || ||
 * - style="text-align:center; background:#cfc;"
 * 1989-04-01 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 Manson Gibson || || USA || Decision ||  || ||
 * - style="text-align:center; background:#fbb;"
 * 1988-11-05 || Loss ||align=left|🇹🇭 Changpuek Kiatsongrit || Super Fight Kickboxing || Las Vegas, Nevada, USA || TKO (Left Low Kicks) || 5 || 1:23 || 28-1
 * - style="text-align:center; background:#cfc;"
 * 1988-00-00 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 Mike Steele || || USA || KO (Left Hook) || 1 || 1:15 || 25-0
 * - style="text-align:center; background:#cfc;"
 * 1988-00-00 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 Chris Getz || ISKA Kickboxing || USA || KO (Left Hook) || 1 || 2:0 || 24-0
 * - style="text-align:center; background:#cfc;"

! style=background:white colspan=9 |Retains PKC Middleweight U.S title. ! style=background:white colspan=9 |Wins KICK Super Middleweight World title.
 * 1988-01-28 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 William Knorr || || Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA || TKO (Left Round Kick) || 3 || ||
 * - style="text-align:center; background:#cfc;"
 * 1987-00-00 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 Manson Gibson || || USA || Decision ||  || ||
 * - style="text-align:center; background:#cfc;"
 * 1987-04-16 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 John Moncayo || Karatemania II || Atlanta, Georgia, USA || KO || 7 || 1:04 || 17-0
 * - style="text-align:center; background:#cfc;"
 * 1987-03-13 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 Jordan Keepers || PKC US Middleweight Championship || USA || Decision (Unanimous) || 6 || 2 || 16-0

! style=background:white colspan=9 |Retains PKC Middleweight U.S title. ! style=background:white colspan=9 |Wins PKC Middleweight U.S title. ! style=background:white colspan=9 |Retains PKC Light Middleweight U.S title. ! style=background:white colspan=9 |Wins PKC Light Middleweight U.S title.
 * - style="text-align:center; background:#cfc;"
 * 1986-11-20 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 Rich Lopez || Nautilus American Kickboxing Championships || Lake Helen, Florida, USA || Decision (Unanimous) || 9 || 2:00 || 15-0
 * - style="text-align:center; background:#cfc;"
 * 1986-09-10 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 Oliver Miller || PKC US Middleweight Championship || Atlanta, Georgia, USA || Decision (Unanimous)|| 9 || 2:00 ||
 * - style="text-align:center; background:#cfc;"
 * 1986-05-21 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 Larry McFadden ||  || USA ||  ||  || ||
 * - style="text-align:center; background:#cfc;"
 * 1986-04-26 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 Tony Smith || Karatemania I || Atlanta, Georgia, USA || KO (Left High Kick || 2 || || 12-0
 * - style="text-align:center; background:#cfc;"
 * 1986-01-08 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 Sylvester Cash || || Atlanta, Georgia, USA || Decision (Unanimous)|| 9 || 2:00 ||
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 1985-11-02 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 Gerald Murphy || Kenwood U.S. Open National Karate Championships || Daytona Beach, Florida, USA || KO (Punch) || 1 || ||
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 1985-08-16 || Win ||align=left|🇨🇦 Wade Woodbury || || Toledo, Florida, USA || Decision (Split) || 12 || || 6-0
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 1985-00-00 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸U.C. Owens || PKC US Middleweight Championship || Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA || Decision (Unanimous) || 5 || 2 ||
 * - style="background:#cfc;"
 * 1985-00-00 || Win ||align=left|🇺🇸 Mike Winklejohn || ||  USA || Decision (Unanimous) ||  || ||
 * colspan=9 | Legend:
 * colspan=9 | Legend:

Professional boxing record

 * style="text-align:center;" colspan="8"|13 Wins (11 knockouts, 2 decisions), 5 Losses (3 knockouts, 2 decisions), 1 Draw
 * - style="text-align:center; background:#e3e3e3;"
 * style="border-style:none none solid solid; "|Result
 * style="border-style:none none solid solid; "|Record
 * style="border-style:none none solid solid; "|Opponent
 * style="border-style:none none solid solid; "|Type
 * style="border-style:none none solid solid; "|Round
 * style="border-style:none none solid solid; "|Date
 * style="border-style:none none solid solid; "|Location
 * style="border-style:none none solid solid; "|Notes
 * - align=center
 * Loss
 * align=left|13-5-1
 * align=left|🇨🇦 Dale Brown
 * TKO
 * 9
 * 30/11/2001
 * align=left|🇨🇦 Montreal, Quebec, Canada
 * align=left|Referee stopped the bout after the ninth round.
 * Win
 * 13-4-1
 * align=left|🇺🇸 James Johnson
 * UD
 * 4
 * 23/02/2001
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Janesville, Wisconsin, United States
 * align=left|
 * Loss
 * 12-4-1
 * align=left|🇫🇷 Ismael Youla
 * PTS
 * 8
 * 21/02/1998
 * align=left|🇫🇷 Paris, France
 * align=left|
 * Loss
 * 12-3-1
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Arthur Williams
 * TKO
 * 4
 * 22/02/1997
 * align=left| Condado, Puerto Rico, United States
 * align=left|USBA Cruiserweight Title.
 * Loss
 * 12-2-1
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Bobby Crabtree
 * TKO
 * 7
 * 27/09/1996
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States
 * align=left|
 * Win
 * 12-1-1
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Sean McClain
 * TKO
 * 4
 * 10/08/1996
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
 * align=left|WBC Continental Americas Cruiserweight Title.
 * Win
 * 11-1-1
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Carlton Brown
 * KO
 * 2
 * 27/04/1996
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Doraville, Georgia, United States
 * align=left|
 * Win
 * 10-1-1
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Rogue Dooley
 * TKO
 * 1
 * 26/04/1996
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Harvey, Illinois, United States
 * align=left|
 * Win
 * 9-1-1
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Stan Johnson
 * TKO
 * 1
 * 16/04/1996
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Indianapolis, Indiana, United States
 * align=left|
 * Win
 * 8-1-1
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Rick Wilks
 * KO
 * 1
 * 30/03/1996
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Waterloo, Iowa, United States
 * align=left|
 * Win
 * 7-1-1
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Raymond Wilks
 * KO
 * 1
 * 29/03/1996
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Dolton, Illinois, United States
 * align=left|
 * style="text-align:center; background:#c5d2ea;"|Draw
 * 6-1-1
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Louis Monaco
 * PTS
 * 4
 * 26/01/1996
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
 * align=left|
 * Win
 * 6-1
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Gene Ibarra
 * TKO
 * 2
 * 04/11/1995
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
 * align=left|
 * Win
 * 5-1
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Daniel Salcedo
 * TKO
 * 2
 * 30/09/1995
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
 * align=left|
 * Win
 * 4-1
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Jordan Keepers
 * KO
 * 2
 * 16/09/1995
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States
 * align=left|
 * Win
 * 3-1
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Ron Preston
 * UD
 * 4
 * 18/08/1995
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
 * align=left|
 * Win
 * 2-1
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Dennis Weaver
 * TKO
 * 2
 * 03/08/1995
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
 * align=left|
 * Win
 * 1-1
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Mike Brainard
 * TKO
 * 3
 * 17/06/1995
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
 * align=left|
 * Loss
 * 0-1
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Ricardo Dabney
 * PTS
 * 4
 * 29/04/1990
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States
 * align=left|
 * }
 * Win
 * 1-1
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Mike Brainard
 * TKO
 * 3
 * 17/06/1995
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
 * align=left|
 * Loss
 * 0-1
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Ricardo Dabney
 * PTS
 * 4
 * 29/04/1990
 * align=left|🇺🇸 Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States
 * align=left|
 * }
 * align=left|
 * }

title: Rick Roufus


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Talk:Bathing machine

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One question about the origin of bathing machines: did they come into being because people became more modest, and couldn't bathe out in the open any more? Or was there an upsurge in the interest in bathing? -- ESP 05:04 18 Jul 2003 (UTC)

 * If I remember correctly it was an increased interest in bathing in the open. The article also fails to mention that the main reason for using a bathing machine was for use in beaches where it was shallow for a long way out. The use was mainly so that you wouldn't have to walk a long distance. // Liftarn
 * A bit of both, I think. Both an increase in interest in bathing per se - prior to this bathing for pleasure or for curative reasons was not common; if you needed to go into the sea (as a boatman, for example) you did but it wasn't an activity in and of itself, plus ideas of modesty gaining ground. Tonywalton 22:15, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

It's an interesting question. This article http://www.jasa.net.au/seaside/Bathing.htm from the Jane Austen Society gives a very different impression from the first sentence of the Wikipedia article (which doesn't have a reference, unfortunately). According the Jane Austen Society paper, the health craze for sea bathing meant that women were joining men in the water. Since men always swam naked, it seems the bathing machines were a solution to prevent the women from seeing naked men, and men continued to swim naked until 1860, well into the Victorian era. So it wasn't really about modesty in dress (since the men in any case had none) but modesty in segregation of the sexes - a morality much older than Victorian. I'd like to (or for someone else to) think of a way to incorporate this into the article. 65.92.126.136 21:22, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Queen Victoria's own bathing machine still exists at Osborne House on the Isle of Wight.

Request for references
Hi, I am working to encourage implementation of the goals of the Verifiability policy. Part of that is to make sure articles cite their sources. This is particularly important for featured articles, since they are a prominent part of Wikipedia. The Fact and Reference Check Project has more information. Thank you, and please leave me a message when you have added a few references to the article. - Taxman 19:13, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

I saw one in a movie
I saw one in the movie "the Ghost and Mrs. Muir" which was set in the year 1901. My company and I made guesses as to what it was and it's specific use. so this article helped to understand that particular scene in the movie. It also helps in understanding a later scene when a portrait of Mrs. Muir in her "bathing costume" was discussed. Captjacktar —Preceding unsigned comment added by Captjacktar (talk • contribs) 05:07, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Victorian morality
I removed the uncited phrase "without violating Victorian notions of modesty" because bathing machines existed well before the Victorian age. A better phrase, if a source is found, might be "in keeping with the then-accepted standards of respectability". I also rewrote parts to match what the sources support, including a sourced mention that men sometimes bathed nude. -84user (talk) 11:53, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

There was a grammatical error in the introduction, so I edited it to be grammatically correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.153.129 (talk) 06:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

title: Talk:Bathing machine