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Howard County Times
How is the link to the newspaper of record in the county linkspam? It has news and information relevant to the county. Check out Philadelphia for example. Also, there is a presumption of relevancy. Please don't remove things unless clearly irrelevant. Taco325i 01:09, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a link farm. If you wish to specifically cite material from the newspaper in the article, that is great and I support that.  In fact, I would like to demand you to do it.  But that's just mean. Inserting a bare link without providing any evidence, within the article itself, that it should be linked to and is relevant, is linkspam.  As an aside, it is on Philadelphia too, but it is not on my watchlist.  If you want to create an web directory, there are plenty of projects for it.  This is just not it.  -James Howard (talk/web) 02:25, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * From WP:SPAM:
 * Contribute cited text, not bare links. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a link farm. If you have a source to contribute, first contribute some facts that you learned from that source, then cite the source. Don't simply direct readers to another site for the useful facts; add useful facts to the article, then cite the site where you found them. You're here to improve Wikipedia -- not just to funnel readers off of Wikipedia and onto some other site, right? (If not, see #1 above.)
 * -James Howard (talk/web) 02:27, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Have you even read the definition for linkspam? Inserting informative and relevant external links is not spam.  It is quite appropriate.  The external link section is not meant to be a bibliography. I think you are confusing it for what the "references" section ought to be.  Taco325i 02:32, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have read the definition of linkspam. The problem here is that policy is on WP:SPAM, which you apparently haven't read, and your link clearly violates it.  Read the quote I copied above.  By and large, the external links section has become a repository for those external links that fall under the blanket exception rules, mostly limited to official sites.  The newspaper is not an official organ of the county.  Now, go read the policy and come back here and have this discussion. -James Howard (talk/web) 02:39, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * "There are two types of wikispam: advertisements masquerading as articles, and wide-scale external link spamming. " Which one of these is it?   What you are quoting is from the "guidelines", which means, tips to avoid spamming.  Links that don't conform 100% to the 'guidelines' don't make them link spam.  You are also losing sight of the purpose of this policy, which is to prevent the use of wikipedia as a mouthpiece of personal or commercial enterprise, not to prevent readers from accessing additional information.  Edits made that do not clearly violate the terms of the policy or the underlying policy rationale should be given deference, out of mutual respect for wikipedians and in furtherance of concept that it's better to have more relevant information than less.  See External links Taco325i 03:37, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I tend to agree with Taco325i. As with many other "guidelines" on Wikipedia, WP:SPAM is open to a small amount of interpretation.  The link doesn't seem to be self-promotion, and in fact, the only consequence I can forsee of allowing it is simply  to direct readers of the article to other relevent information.  Amit 23:13, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

trivia?
How is the ice-cream factory trivia in any way related to the terrorist attacks of 9/11? I'm removing that one line. Also, I'm pretty sure it's a Nestle factory, since they have had a regional headquarters in the area for quite some time. Amit 15:35, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

 * It is a Dreyers plant. They make several other brands there, but the company is named Dreyer's Grand Ice Cream.  For confirmation see http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=DRYR&script=410&layout=-6&item_id=642616, or just do an internet search for Dreyers Howard County.  And, respectfully, you should not change Wikipedia entries if you are just "pretty sure" of your facts.

 * You are both right, Dreyer's has been acquired by Nestle in Jan 2006 dml 23:19, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

It seems like the library references it Trivia could be under Education. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.62.4 (talk) 15:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Baltimore CDP?
The following was added to the list of census designated places:

 * 1) Baltimore (a majority is located in Baltimore City, also, some parts are in Baltimore County and Anne Arundel County.)

As far as I know, there's no such census-designated place as Baltimore; either you're in Baltimore city, or you aren't. It's possible that the anonymous editor was referring to the fact that portions of Howard County have Baltimore postal addresses -- I know that parts of Baltimore and A.A. County do, so it could be true in Howard County as well, although it's a little far from the city. However, the post office and census bureau are different agencies, and postal addresses do not define census-designated places. --Jfruh (talk) 20:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Which Metropolitan Area?
“This county is a part of the Washington Metropolitan Area and the Baltimore Metropolitan Area, both of which comprise the Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area.”

As a matter of technicality, Howard County is not in the Washington Metropolitan Area. It is officially designated as being part of the Baltimore-Towson Metropolitan Statistical Area; and yes, these two metropolitan areas compose the Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV Combined Statistical Area. Also, as we all know, yes, Howard County shares exceptionally strong economic and cultural ties to D.C., in some parts stronger so than its economic and cultural ties to Baltimore. But until this potential cultural and economic shift is reflected in the designations by the U.S. Office of Management and Budget, the quotation above is quite distinctly incorrect and depending heavily on a biased POV.

Whenever possible, it is important that Wikipedia reflects verifiable facts and official designations, not opinions. Might I suggest that this section be revised to state that Howard County is in the southwestern corner of the Baltimore-Towson Metropolitan Statistical Area, with strong economic and cultural ties to D.C., the nation’s Capital? Or perhaps, the article should simply state that Howard County is within the Baltimore-Washington Area, as does the article on Anne Arundel County, a county that similarly straddles the two metropolitan areas? --Dukiebiddle 17:38, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

"Maryland locked"
As a Maryland resident I have heard this before, but it is not technically true. The Maryland portion of the Chesapeake Bay lies within the state's boundaries. Anne Arundel, Calvert, and Talbot counties also do not touch a state line; nor does Baltimore City. EikwaR 18:09, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree with this. Howard County is not the only "Maryland-locked" County in the State. All Maryland counties that contain Chesapeake Bay shoreline also have political boundaries that extend into the middle of the Bay. Therefore, I'm removing the statement "Howard County is the only Maryland-locked county in the state, being the only county entirely enclosed by land and river boundaries with other Maryland counties." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.251.164.152 (talk) 23:33, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Flag
Shouldn't there be an image of the Howard County flag in the article? 208.179.66.68 (talk) 07:07, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Aye, there should, but for some reason there's not. Wonder if any can upload it.Liu Tao (talk) 23:58, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Climate
The description is pretty much spot on. The low elevation areas east of and around 95 in Howard County are humid subtropical. The further west you go in the county, the more it becomes continental. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.244.4.3 (talk) 23:40, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, forget that. The eastern half of the county remains above freezing during the winter. Putting half of it into the humid subtropical zone, and half of it into the humid continental zone.

From 1971-2000. Take a look at the mean temp. Woodstock, which is at the Howard County/Baltimore county line above Ellicott City. On the Patapsco.

http://www.weather-forecasts.com/cityClimate/United+States/Maryland/Elkridge —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.244.4.3 (talk) 04:16, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Removal of Trivia section
I think we should provide a chance for discussion before this removal. I wasn't familiar with [WP:Trivia]. WP:Trivia does advise against trivia sections, but it also includes this:
 * Trivia sections should not simply be removed from articles in all cases. It may be possible to integrate some items into the article text. Some facts may belong in existing sections, while others may warrant a new section. Integrate trivia items into the body of the article if appropriate. Otherwise, see if there are sources for a particular aspect of the material in such a section, consider using the items as a basis for an article that discusses that effect. Items that duplicate material already contained elsewhere in the article, cannot be supported by reliable sources, or are not of significant importance to the subject matter can be removed in most cases.

Let's talk. -- Jo3sampl (talk) 16:02, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. . . I made some effort to find additonal info, and now I think the removal is probably appropriate. NikkiMaria, will you hold off a day or two to see if anyone else will help? If no action by 7/23/11, I'll take it out or you can. Thanks -- Jo3sampl (talk) 16:24, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I propose we move the "Choose Civility" text to the end paragraph 2, where other quality of life info is found, or to the end of the HoCo Library text (because of the library sponsorship). I propose we delete the other two trivia bullets. (I am charmed by the ice cream and terrorist-visit items, but I don't see a reasonable tie-in.) Other opinions? Jo3sampl (talk) 19:45, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

 * Moved ChCivility to retitled 'Education and public library' section; removed the rest of Trivia. Jo3sampl (talk) 23:39, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed
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Therefore?

 * Since there are no incorporated municipalities, there is no incorporated county seat either. Therefore, its county seat is the unincorporated community of Ellicott City.

This doesn't follow. For starters, at least one Maryland county, Calvert, has incorporated municipalities but has an unincorporated place, Prince Frederick, for its seat, and in other states, counties without incorporated places may have their seat outside the county. Secondly, the county lacking towns and cities may mean its seat has to be an unincorporated community, but doesn't in any way imply that it had to be Ellicott City. Infinitebuffalo (talk) 22:00, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

flag redesign
Howard County announced a flag redesign should we mention that? PharaohCrab (talk) 15:10, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

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Cities / Towns / Unincorporated Areas
Isn't it confusing to have a list of cities, then a list of towns, then a list of unincorporated areas, then a list of cities and towns? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.8.184.25 (talk) 13:29, 19 December 2003 (UTC)

 * This appears to have been taken care of since this comment was posted. --Thisisbossi 04:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The history of religious movements in a county is irrelevant?

 * I don't think so. Danny Lilithborne 08:20, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * You are not discussing religion in PG. You are talking about one particular megachurch in an area with over 800 (according to the article).  Generalize it and you can go somewhere with this.  But the history of one particular church is not relevant here.  Additionally, your behavior is rife with personal attacks.  It is clear you are not particpating here in a manner that is appropriate. -James Howard (talk/web) 15:22, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Take it up with a moderator if you have a problem. I'm going to leave the information off; it's available anyway if it becomes relevant in the future. Danny Lilithborne 15:31, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Crime?
Some articles, like the one for Suitland, Maryland talk about PG's high crime rate, but this article doesn't mention it. I think it's worth a mention but don't know much about it. --Awiseman 18:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Prince Georges County doesn't have a high crime rate. Suitland is the worst place in PGC. --Signed as:Ddavis014 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.21.202.1 (talk) 19:29, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

 * I'd like to know who the above person is, if only to find out who is so naive about PG County, Md. I live there, and trust me, it has the highest crime rate of any county in Maryland. In 2006 it's murder rate was higher than Washington, D.C., the former murder capital of the nation. It has the lowest test scores of any county in Maryland, second only to Baltimore city. I think the same people who constantly push the "PG is the highest concentration of middle class blacks" statistic are the same ones that try to sweep it's blistering crime rate under the rug. I bet the above, anonymous, poster is a member of Jack Johnson's office, trying to make his struggling county look better without actually doing something about it. Richard Corey 20:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I'm going to have to agree with Richard Corey. I lived there and I still work there... it's definitely not pleasant when my fieldworks takes me inside the Beltway -- Suitland or not.  Hyattsville and Riverdale, in particular, are not the most pleasant of trips.  The County has its better spots, definitely, but it is notorious for its worse-off areas. --Thisisbossi 22:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Seconded. I live in Prince George's County, and I agree that something about its crime and "tough" culture needs to be mentioned. (Very many primary sources could be located to support the significance/relevance of this topic, if necessary.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seethaki (talk • contribs) 19:20, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

 * THIRDED! I work as the police in PGC and am well aware of the crime rate that Mr. Anonymous is unaware of. If we are to get past the stereotype that Wikipedia is "Liberal-Biased" we need to include EVERYTHING and not look at the world through rose-colored glasses. However, there still ARE some very nice (and dare I say "Ritzy") areas in PG (e.g., Brandywine, Upper Marlboro, Bowie to name a few). It is a shame, though, that no matter where you live in PG, regardless if you live in a 1.5 million dollar house in Bowie...to outsiders, you still live in Suitland. Sallicio (talk) 23:29, 9 December 2007 (UTC)Sallicio

I was told College Park is usually much better. -- Toytoy 11:55, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

 * From my experiences living in College Park proper, I'd say it's safer; but not safe by most people's standards. The campus tries to keep pretty tight security at the roadway access points, but there are still significant issues in or near the University and/or within the immediate vicinity of College Park.  Tthere are other communities which are (in my opinion) must worse than College Park, definitely.  Granted, all the above is opinion, based on personal experience living, working, and studying in the area as well as monitoring news articles; but I do not have any data to support my claims.  I suspect there may be some helpful info somewhere on the County's website (though the user-interface for the website is not particularly friendly, like that of MoCo or AA County. I know the police maintain a GIS system where crimes are denoted by type and location, and most police districts maintain online reports of recent activity -- that might help form a good start for necessary resources/references regarding any crime mentions within the main article. -- Bossi  ( talk • gallery • contrib ) 00:14, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

 * College Park is a small oasis of relatively low crime nestled between Hyattsville/Landover to the southeast and Langley Park to the northeast. Being the police in PG, I can testify to what Thisisbossi said. Sallicio (talk) 23:29, 9 December 2007 (UTC)Sallicio

I edited the wrong section below. I've been living in Prince George's County for almost a decade and feel that introducing it with the crime statistic is incredibly unfair. Popular notions linking the presence of African Americans with crime ignores issues of class and opportunity. Moreover, as I noted below, it is curious that other county profiles don't seem to have their negative characteristics mentioned up front in a way to tarnish the subsequent descriptions. What if we introduced Fairfax County nearby with the number of domestic violence incidences, or number of white-collar employees laid off? These statistics would be relevent to the quality of life in those areas, but they aren't mentioned in a way to introduce new readers to their counties. - unsigned —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.126.166.194 (talk) 17:39, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

My original comment focused on the issue of leading off with a crime statistic. Without looking again at how the introduction had been changed I looked at other parts of the country that had comparable African American populations to compare crime statistics. At the same time, I found that the Department of Justice itself said on its Bureau of Statistics website that researchers ought not compare counties to each other--so while that comparison started moving me toward optimism, I'll heed the DOJ's warning. Secondly, I agree with an earlier comment that while I did think the lead was unfair, issues regarding crime should not be completely overlooked, just dealt with in context. But having now seen the update, I personally appreciate the fact that the introduction has been changed. Yet, hopefully citizens of the county will find ways that we all can address issues of crime on our own-- help teenage youth find meaningful activities; raise our children with a respect of the rule of law; cooperate in whatever ways we can in neighborhood-based crime prevention initiatives; and helping law enforcement carry out their mandate.72.66.88.239 (talk) 23:00, 30 December 2007 (UTC)signed: a prince george's county resident who believes in its people.

Demographics
Is it true that Prince George's County is the only SUBURBAN county with an African-American majority? If so, this should be noted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.86.234.245 (talk) 17:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

++++ I've looked at other snaopshots of state counties. Why does the primary author of this Wikipedia article feel the need to immediately propose the high crime rate of the county? Whether it is true or not, you'll see by looking at other profiles, that the most negative aspect of other counties doesn't seem to rise to the top when other counties are viewed. - unsigned ++++ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.126.166.194 (talk) 17:33, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Edits by Gardez Bien
I reverted the edits (again) made by Gardez Bien for the same reason I have provided in the MoCo Discussion: I agree that the information is relevant as far as PG's history goes; but it's already properly accounted for in the History section. Feel free to post rebuttals here rather than starting a reversion war. --Thisisbossi 04:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * This same issue was raised on Washington, D.C. (see related discussion), and Gardez Bien similarly edit warred despite the clear consensus against it being anything but of historical relevance. I previously posted a notice on WP:ANI for admin intervention, but no one responded.  He is clearly determined to push his POV as to what is important regardless of what anyone else thinks, and inexcusably slurs others who disagree with him as "trolls" or "vandals."  If I weren't involved, I'd block him myself.  Postdlf 15:36, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Perhaps they agree that it is relevant? Three avid Wiki posters is far from a consensus.You guys seem to be the only ones ticked off about it. Can I ask a couple questions? Why does it bother you so much and why do you find it so irrelevant? Please post valid reasons.Gardez Bien 02:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * One edit warrior is hardly a consensus, and you are the only one who wants it up front at center. You've at least relented from absurdly trying to make it the defining fact of every topic (opening the article with something like "Prince George's County is one of two counties in Maryland that donated land to Washington, D.C.").  But the basic objection is the same that was raised in the D.C. article, and as above by Thisisbossi—it's a matter of historical relevance, but not so integral to an understanding of the topic that it should be in the introduction rather than discussed in the history section.  You're the only one who insists on the contrary, apparently due to some kind of local Maryland pride judging from your comments on the D.C. talk page (including your rant about all of us somehow being southern sympathizers for disagreeing with you), rather than for an objective, editorial reason.  You just need to accept that no one agrees with you.  Postdlf 02:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

 * And without further discussion, and without even leaving a bloody edit summary, you add your edit right back in despite clear opposition. Postdlf 02:50, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Due to the similarity in edits by the users Simpledays (talk ;; contrib) and Gardez Bien (talk ;; contrib), be advised that there is a possibility that the two may be sock puppets. At this time I do not believe that there is sufficient evidence to pursue it further, but the similarities should be noted. --Thisisbossi 23:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

 * The user(s) have been reported. Feel free to post additional evidence here. --Thisisbossi 12:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

POSTED FROM MARYLAND TALK PAGE WITH ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FROM Thisisbossi

 * I'm getting the sense of a double standard for Maryland here. Why is Maryland the focus of this brigade when other state intros are equivalent? I’ve avoided posting in these discussions because it seems you guys are reluctant to seeing the truth and now I have to write a book to get my point across. Even still you will believe what you want to because of personal preference or you don’t “feel it belongs”. Most of all I’m sure you could care less about the state itself otherwise you wouldn’t object. But you want an answer so here it is...

 * If you think the intro to the Maryland page needs a rework then you have your work cut out for you because you’re going to have to change just about every other state. Case in point, this is the last paragraph from the Commonwealth of Virginia intro,

 * "Virginia is known as the "Mother of Presidents", because it is the birthplace of eight U.S. presidents (George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, William Henry Harrison, John Tyler, Zachary Taylor, and Woodrow Wilson), more than any other state. Most of the United States' early presidents were from the state. Virginia has also been known as the "Mother of States", because portions of the original Colony subsequently became Kentucky, Indiana, Illinois, and West Virginia as well as some portions of Ohio."

 * How is that anymore relevant than proclaiming "Maryland donated the land for Washington, D.C."? Doesn't talk about presidents from decades past and ceding portions of land belong in the History section according to you?

 * Not convinced? Here’s part of the intro from the State of Wisconsin, this should put your economic fears to rest,

 * Wisconsin's rural economy was originally based farming (especially dairy), mining, and lumbering. In the 20th century tourism became important, and many people living on former farms commuted to jobs elsewhere. Large-scale industrialization began in the late 19th century in the southeast of the state, with the city of Milwaukee as its major center. In recent decades, service industries, especially medicine and education, have become dominant. Wisconsin's landscape, largely shaped by the Wisconsin glaciation of the last Ice Age, makes the state popular for both tourism and many forms of outdoor recreation.

 * In previous version they were proclaiming fur trade!!! But it's a sin to proclaim the life sciences which has become the foremost important industry in Maryland right now?

 * Didn’t get the message? Try the Commonwealth of Massachusetts,

 * During the 19th century, Massachusetts transformed itself from a mainly agricultural economy to a manufacturing one, making use of its many rivers for power to operate factories for shoes, furniture, and clothing. Its economy declined in the early twentieth century when industry moved south in search of cheaper labor. A revitalization came in the 1970s when, nourished by the graduates of the area's many elite institutions of higher education, the Boston suburbs (particularly those around Route 128) became home to dozens of high-technology companies. Massachusetts' colleges and universities, as well as its technology sectors, continue to thrive.

 * The state is also considered a haven for progressive, liberal thought and often sends political candidates to the national scene, however, the four most recent presidential aspirants, Ted Kennedy, Michael Dukakis, Paul Tsongas, and John Kerry, were all unsuccessful. . Massachusetts was the home state of US Presidents John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Calvin Coolidge, and John F. Kennedy, and the birth state of George H. W. Bush.
 * As of 2006, Massachusetts is the only state in the union to legalize marriage of gay and lesbian couples.

 * Must I continue? It should be clear by now.

 * Thisisbossi said

 * My version was hardly all about geography: it had a sentence touching upon its Civil War history as well as some information on its population and economy.

 * This is what you left posted in the intro

 * "Maryland (IPA: [ˈmæ.ɹɪ.lənd]), nicknamed the Old Line State and the Free State, is located along the East Coast of the US. Historically a border state, it exhibits characteristics of both the Northern and Southern regions of the United States. Consequently, it can be considered both a Mid-Atlantic state and a South-Atlantic state.
 * Maryland comprises a mountainous western panhandle, a fertile coastal plain, and a central region. Chesapeake Bay is largely within the confines of the state. The broad central region includes a stretch of the eastern Megalopolis: an entirely metropolitan region stretching from Northern Virginia to Massachusetts that contains over 50 million people."

 * Thisisbossi version above is entirely about Geography, which sould go in the Geography section. The portion about Maryland being part of a Megalopolis is totally irrelevant. It is neither important nor does it define anything unique about the state. Civil war info belongs in the history section as well. Furthermore you would have to include the text in the intro of every state that is part of the Megalopolis. Why would you put it in with only Maryland?

 * Thisisbossi said

 * Gardez Bien's reversion does not provide any additional information regarding the future and picks and chooses among traits that I do not personally find to be all-that important as far as Maryland goes. I would sooner highlight Maryland's federal industries rather than its life science industries.

 * If you feel the Life Sciences Industry in Maryland is extraneous, then no offense but you don't know squat about Maryland. The federal government’s role is confined to the capital region and even then they are not as dependent on the federal government as other parts of the D.C. region. The federal government also has ver over life sciences?

 * On the other hand, the life sciences stretches across the entire state, no other industry gets such special treatment and incentives. Bio parks, incubators, drug manufacturing plants, stem cell research funds, organizations, institutions, EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE LIFE SCIENCES INDUSTRY. Right now the Life Sciences is Maryland’s crown jewel industry and they have put more focus on it than any other. It is very much part of Maryland's past, present and FUTURE.

 * Thisisbossi said

 * The information I had provided was the exact same information that was previously in the article -- I did not add anything new and in fact preserved all of what was initially provided. My post on Gardez Bien's talk page -- prior to his reversion -- indicated to open discussion before another reversion (there have been revert wars beginning on the two County pages); but he did not do so. Therefore I am reverting his edit again until proper reasoning can be provided and/or consensus is reached on this issue. My reversion will at last address the spelling I errors that I had fixed, which Gardez Bien's reversion brought back (if you're going to revert, at least fix your errors!).

 * I found a grammatical error in what you just said, should I help you correct it? Not only that but my revised (by you) paragraph about life sciences (that is so neatly hidden and tucked away in the economy section) doesn't make much sense. What aforementioned "institutions and agencies" are you referring to? I still stand by the first two paragraphs of the intro having irrelevant data at his point especially the part about it being a Megalopolis.

 * Overall the intro for Maryland has turned weak and geography heavy, the intro should have important highlights that are unique to the state. Donating the land for the Capital of the United States is a fact no other state can claim and very much defines the state and that region. Withoout that fact things would be drastically different. I'm also surprised how many people forget or don't know this fact so because of that alone it is totally relevant in the intro. Any other state in the world would not leave out that kind of information.

 * Can I ask a question? Why does the paragraph on donating the land bother all of you so much? Please give valid non generalized, impersonal reasons than "I don't like it".

 * I'm sorry if my info was too factual. If you don't like Maryland's intro get started on changing all 50 states, the District and the territories.

 * I enjoyed the conversation Gardez Bien 01:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Thank you for your response and for your excellent points -- which is all I had really wanted. I will now leave my hands off this issue and, with the above information for consideration, leave others to modify as they see fit.  --Thisisbossi 02:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

About the Crime Rate
Okay, let's be real. I, an African-American male over the age of 26, am well aware of how we, as a people, tend to not like being lumped into stereotypical categories and rightfully so. HOWEVER, when the shoe fits...

We're not talking about a county with a somewhat, kinda, possibly, high crime rate. I've had the distinction of working as a reporter for the Prince George's County Journal and with reporters from the Montgomery County Journal, and let me tell you it was 'night and day' believe me. Montgomery County, the county with the next closest crime rate, had around 10 to a dozen murders that year. Prince George's County had close to 200.

PG COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE THE HIGHEST CRIME RATE FOR THE WASHINGTON METRO! Look Washington D.C. has 588,292 residents. For 2007 D.C. had 181 homicides which gives the city a rate of 30.8 per 100,000 residents(per capita). For most of the 21st century P.G. has had between 130-164 homicides. But prince georges has 801,515 residents? That would give the county a rate somewhere between 16-19 per 100,000 residents. The robbery rates in D.C. are MUCH MUCH higher. Nowhere in the southern maryland article does it mention that PG has the highest crime rate for the entire metro. Get you facts straight.

To say otherwise is outright revisionist propaganda. A problem is a problem. Bringing them to light is how they're solved. But it is my belief that the Prince George's County government would rather hold on to the positive (which is positive, don't get me wrong. We are the highest concentration of middle class blacks in the country, the National Harbor WILL be huge, we do have many development projects on the horizon) than to admit, recognize and rectify the negative. That's like "burying" the word "nigger" in hopes of easing racial tension...but that's another story for another day.

Now, I DO see an issue with putting the crime rate in the first paragraph. I can understand why it was done, but still. I'm apprehensive about deleting it because it was properly cited, but maybe it can be moved down into its own section. Or something. Ever since the late eighties and into the ninetees, crime (along with education) has been the cornerstone issue of Prince George's County. To not mention it would throw away the whole point of an encyclopedia. Richard Corey 18:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

 * WELL SAID! Sallicio (talk) 23:46, 9 December 2007 (UTC)Sallicio

DC Renovations allocating low-income families + DC's rising white population/lower crime rate + PG's higher black population/increased property costs/higher crime rate
I am a mixed (half-white/half-black) and have lived in PG all my life. At one time, I do recall the crime rate being moderate. However, sometime during the 2000s, age-old apartment complexes were being renovated, condemned, and torn down, thus forcing low-income families to move out. At the same time, taxes have risen to substantial amounts, making it so these families cannot afford to live in the area and newer buildings being constructed. Therefore, families from DC are being "forced" out to live in Maryland, most of which have migrated to PG since its the closest and most convenient. Coincidentally, more and more white families have begun to fill the empty homes. This is when the crime rate in DC began to lower as the crime rate in PG began to rise. And as of recent years, PG's property costs have sharply risen to higher prices. Most reading this would get what I am implying, but speculation and original research is not by Wikipedia's standards so I have no intentions of adding it to the article. However, I do believe that the information pertaining to the population increases, real estate costs, and crime rate differences can be included in the article as long as it doesn't imply some conspiracy theory, government corruption, or some other biased view. Also, I believe the rise in Hispanic population should be included. However, none of this information will be added till either I or someone else retrieves references for the aforementioned info. The Exiled Fighter (talk) 08:01, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Ronnie L. White notability
Is the section added today really notable? There are issues like this throughout the country. Perhaps if it is officially ruled that the police killed him, then yes that might make it notable; but as it stands: I just can't see any overwhelming importance to the subject. -- Bossi  ( talk • gallery • contrib ) 20:48, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

 * It's not notable (will be more/less forgotten in a couple of weeks). Wikipedia isn't a newspaper (and it's editors aren't reporters) Tedickey (talk) 23:06, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

 * First of all, the police were not involved in any way. He was in the custody of the Correctional Center. Secondly, I agree with Tedickey... unless it gained nationwide media attention, it's non-notable...and even then it's questionable because no one will care in a few weeks.--Sallicio$\color{Red} \oplus$ 12:48, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Ahh yes it would be corrections; I read the entry as if it was implicating the police department. Regardless, I just reverted it -- users are welcome to post a counter-argument here should they disagree. Cheers! -- Bossi  ( talk • gallery • contrib ) 21:25, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

 * The case has indeed gained nationwide media attention, just take a look at the Websites of CNN or CBSNews. Plus, is it really the case that "there are issues like this throughout the country", like bossi says? I mean, a SUSPECT apparently murdered by correction officers? I'd call it rather said if "no one will care in a few weeks" as Sallicio writes above. Also, this is not really an argument because almost everything that's in the media will disappear from general focus after a while. --Bernardoni (talk) 22:04, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

 * With all due respect, I've got to disagree, which I'm sure will surprise nobody, since I wrote it. The incident has indeed garnered national attention.  I've seen it reported as far west as Los Angeles, as far North as Seattle, with plenty inbetween.  It was broadcast as a top story on CNN(TV) and reported heavily by AP and the other wire services.  When I wrote it, it was totally unclear who killed him, PGPD, Sheriff's Department (they run the jail), outsider, or whatever.  I apologize if I made the article sound biased.  At the time the NAACP was screaming that this was a racial thing, and it has been pointed out that the only people who presumably had access to him were Law Enforcement since he was in solitary confinement at the time.  I decided to leave all that out for now untill more is known.  Again, respectfully, we've got an entire article on Abner Louima...but I'm willing to see how the investigation shakes out.  If it turned out another inmate somehow shived him, I'll agree not notable, though I doubt that will be the outcome.  Livitup (talk) 00:56, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Just to reiterate, I kind of share the stance of Livitup. My recommendation would be to hold on to see if it really was the applicable law enforcement agency, or if it was something else entirely. Or perhaps it could even turn into a major scandal which could have a long-lasting impact, as mentioned with Abner Louima or also Mumia Abu-Jamal and Rodney King. For what it's worth:
 * - Abner Louima is not mentioned on New York City or Crime in New York City, but is mentioned on New York City Police Department. His case drew a reported 7000 demonstrators.
 * - Mumia Abu-Jamal is not mentioned on Philadelphia; though Crime in Philadelphia does mention the case. Mumia has acquired an extensive following, such as the well-known support by Rage Against the Machine.
 * - Rodney King is mentioned on Los Angeles, though the subsequent riots certainly make that individually notable.

It's certainly a gray area as applied to this article, but I'd still recommend that we hang on til more information becomes available. -- Bossi  ( talk • gallery • contrib ) 02:57, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Geography
What are people's thoughts on merging the Regions section into the Geography section? DAK4Blizzard (talk) 11:36, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Levitt versus demographics
That edit veers off into WP:OR, since there are several factors. From what I recall, the proportion African American of Prince George's at the time that Bowie was built differs greatly from what it is now, due to shifts in the 1980s. Levitt may indeed have been biased, but combining the two statements to make a third isn't paying attention to the sources TEDickey (talk) 21:36, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

 * Fair enough; indeed a lot has changed since the 1960s, when Levitt has a direct impact on Bowie's demographics. There was an article in the Washington Post today on PG county's changing racial demographic that I think could contribute well to this article in general. In the meantime, I'll try to find another source that can better explain the current demographics of Bowie, and remove the statement "which reflects Levitt's initial reluctance to sell property to African Americans" in the Central County section. DAK4Blizzard (talk) 21:52, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Section for the Apostrophe?
I think there is enough out there (the Washington Post has quite a few articles over the years) on the Prince George's vs. Prince Georges issue. Should it be added to the article? If nothing else it might explain why the WWII Navy Ship was the USS Prince Georges.Naraht (talk) 20:50, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

 * Other than WP:OR, not much to say. People seem to confuse it with a similarly named county in Virginia, which lacks the possessive TEDickey (talk) 21:37, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think articles in the Washington Post with interviews with the State Archivist count as WP:ORNaraht (talk) 22:35, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

 * You didn't mention a specific source (some are indeed worse than others) TEDickey (talk) 18:00, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Let's start with http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/28/AR2009112802033.html, http://www.marylandtheseventhstate.com/article1067.html (which is taken from a published work), and maybe http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ORofAAAAIBAJ&sjid=IZwEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5162,2787556&dq=apostrophe+prince-george's-county&hl=en.

 * That's two citing Washington Post (though the second one is found in a different newspaper). The webpage seems to just repeat one of the comments in the first Post article.  The two Post articles give different viewpoints on the use of apostrophe which probably indicate that a topic might be made on this, while linking to it from this topic TEDickey (talk) 19:45, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Demographics
every time I add the 2010 demographics up, its 114%, wtf? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Totric (talk • contribs) 19:34, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

 * I went to the Census data (now cited). "Hispanic/Latino" includes people of any race, so it's now separate from the other percentages. —ADavidB 00:33, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Book added to Prince George's County, Maryland article
We are having a meetup today to add reliable sources about Laurel, MD, in consultation with the Laurel Historical Society. These book is suggested by the experts here at the Meetup/DC/Laurel Historical Society as a useful source for local history.

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Origin of County
you need to edit this by listing the ORIGIN of the county —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.206.193.183 (talk) 19:34, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Maine
Somerset County, Maine, not Maryland? --Yancuitlalpan (talk) 22:18, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No, this is Maryland. Somerset County, Maine is here. --David (talk) 01:24, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

sorry, I meant that I think that the setting of charlotte's web is Somerset County, Maine, not Somerset County Maryland.--Yancuitlalpan (talk) 04:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

I suggest removing the reference to charlotte's web. I haven't found any connection between Charlotte's Web and Somerset County, Maryland, or Somerset County, Maine for that matter.--Yancuitlalpan (talk) 02:58, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Hudson's Corner
I was wondering about the unincorporated community of Hudson's Corner (y'know, Anderson Fence, the three-way intersection on 667 ?). What exactly dictates what unincorporated communities are listed? I think it should go on the page and template, as the name is not nearly as obscure as some may think. Onore Baka Sama (talk) 18:04, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Stephen Horsey
Stephen Horsey probably was not born on the Isle of Wight. Although there was an Edward Horsey on the island in the 16th century, it is believed that he was childless. The only Stephen Horsey known at the right sort of time came from Kent, but no connection has been established. 79.74.93.194 (talk) 14:28, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

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Copyvio
seems like the entire discussion on waterways is....WillC 12:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The whole section is a copy of this site. I'm surprised it's lasted over two years. Needless to say, I've deleted it. --Sallicio$\color{Red} \oplus$ 02:16, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Photo and chart formatting needs to be reviewed and improved
More and more photos and charts have been added to this article over the last several years, giving it an increasingly cluttered look that makes it difficult to read and comprehend, particularly for people with visual impairments. At least several of these chart and image additions violate Wikipedia's Manual of Style/Accessibility standards which urge editors to "Avoid placing images on the left hand side as a consistent left hand margin makes reading easier" and "Avoid sandwiching text between two images or, unless absolutely necessary, using fixed image sizes." At this point, at least one of the charts needs to be fixed or removed because it actually covers existing text. In addition, several images need to be removed or repositioned in order to bring the article back into compliance with the MOS and make it more accessible for Wikipedia users with visual impairments. 47thPennVols (talk) 04:25, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Environment
I have restored the Environment section again. I still think that removing the section seems overly broad for the objection you've made to it, and that further changes or refinements should be discussed here per the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. In light of your more specific second edit summary, I have removed "unanimous". Per other comments about political efforts, political ramblings, and being an activist, I think we should keep in mind the Assume good faith guideline. -- Pemilligan (talk) 15:49, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I had edited the Talbot Co. article in Dec. 2021, by adding text that originally had been in another article, about the Maryland Department of the Environment (MDE). The original paragraph was not really about MDE (although that agency does conduct environmental reviews and issue wastewater discharge permits). The paragraph was really about the Trappe East project and the associated water quality issues, so it was appropriate for the paragraph to be placed in the Talbot Co. article. In doing so, I relied on the only cited source at the time, the Star Democrat article, and perhaps that is not a sufficient reference. As such, the current one-sentence section should be expanded, at least briefly, by explaining what has happened since October 2021, using reliable sources. I believe that MDE has made some rulings on the proposed wastewater facility. These rulings are made under the federal Clean Water Act, and information about the water permits is public information. Some of that information should be available online, and that would be a reliable source. There may be other useful sources, such as local government decisions (e.g. Talbot Co. govt.).
 * I don't have a stake in the debate about the merits of the development in the county, nor am I familiar with the specifics of the environmental issues that have been raised in the community. Like most of us Wikipedia editors, I'm just interested in seeing that matters in various articles are described in an accurate and balanced manner, with appropriate explanations and references. I work in the environmental/water quality field, and I was interested in seeing that the discussions about the local water quality and wastewater treatment issues were accurately described and referenced. Cheers, Moreau1 (talk) 01:32, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

you can't just ignore everyone else and act like you WP:OWN this article. -- Pemilligan (talk) 16:57, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Washington County, Maryland

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Fun fact: the distance between the state fo Pensylvania, and West Virginia, by Washington County in Maryland is...... miles(...km) 88.91.118.223 (talk) 21:55, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

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Notable people
Currently, the "Notable residents and natives" links to Hagerstown, but there is more to Washington County than Hagerstown. As a result, it's unclear where to list people from the county. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leavittdc (talk • contribs) 20:24, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect Flag of Washington County
The flag currently displayed on this page seems to be incorrect. According to the official website of Washington county, there should be nine stars on the flag, not the five shown on this page:

"The stars stand for the nine incorporated towns in Washington County.  The larger star is for Hagerstown, our County Seat, while the small stars represent Boonsboro, Clear Spring, Funkstown, Hancock, Keedysville, Sharpsburg, Smithsburg and Williamsport."

We need to correct the graphic. Waterfire (talk) 01:04, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

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Nothing about transportation
Nothing about transportation in this article? This is depite the fact that Wicomico County contains the intersection of two major Federal highways (in Salisbury), U.S. Highway 13 and U.S. Highway 50. Salisbury also has an airport with regularly-scheduled passenger service. Also check to see if U.S. Highway 113 passes through Wicomico County. 98.81.2.31 (talk) 00:14, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

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history
entry at Mattapony suggests earlier colonial history, if acurate perhaps should be included or linked under "see also"? Deanlaw (talk) 03:58, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll fix it. Pilch62 (talk) 17:00, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I noticed, in wikipedia article about Eastern Shore of Maryland, reference to the Calvert-Scarborough line. This is the entire southern land boundary of Worcester County. Carlm0404 (talk) 03:49, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

"City" status of Pocomoke City
I am going to change the status of Pocomoke "City" to that of a town--it only has 4000 residents, and is not as large Ocean City, which is listed as a town. Pilch62 (talk) 18:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

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The usage of Worcester is under discussion, see Talk:Worcester. Found5dollar (talk) 19:51, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

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County project standards
Wondering how to edit this U.S. County Entry? The WikiProject U.S. Counties standards might help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rambot (talk • contribs) 03:55, 27 July 2003 (UTC)

 * Yeh, well, this is a tough page to design. The reason is that all the entities you might want to put on it are fixed-width. The code is not accessible. That design feature is a design non-feature as far as I am concerned. What design? We have to accept all the constraints. I certainly am NOT going to give any advice as I know what the typical WP response to advice is, but if someone should happen to be a programmer for WP and if that someone should support the concept of more design flexibility, then it seems to me it might be an enhancement to evaluate whether the capability of entering width parameters should be coded as a rule.Branigan 12:53, 29 November 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Botteville (talk • contribs)

Coextensive?
I'm not sure if it's correct to say that Barnstable County is coextensive with Cape Cod. Parts of Bourne and Sandwich are on the mainland side of the Cape Cod Canal, and therefore are not part of the Cape. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerry warriner (talk • contribs) 18:27, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

 * No, there are a number of regions, such as Cape Cod, Cape Ann, and many others that have no legal definition. They are just traditional regions. What I've been doing for the pictures anyway is make them into holding categories for the towns and cities in them. In articles, I think we should say "Cape Cod includes ... and parts of ...." Other regions are at the village level, such as Hyannisport, which is far more famous than Hyannis. Still, it has to be under Hyannis.Branigan 12:45, 29 November 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Botteville (talk • contribs)

 * According to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, Cape Cod is coextensive with Barnstable County. The act establishing the Cape Cod Commission begins:

 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.169.25.213 (talk) 22:11, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

 * Geologically speaking, Cape Cod is not defined by the canal, though nowadays most people consider it to be. Eric talk 02:44, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Page design
Whew, I did the best I could to produce a compact and good-looking page without the ability to vary widths, as these tables and graphs are all coded with fixed widths. I managed to keep everything that was there. Of course if you can do a better looking page, please do. An article consisting of lists of lists I do not find too appealing. By the time you get to the bottom you forget what the top said. List articles are distinct and say list at the top. This isn't supposed to be one.Branigan 13:00, 29 November 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Botteville (talk • contribs)

Discussion of the history section
We are fortunate to have a second editor on this to back me up. I think however he goes a bit far, so discussion of his mark-ups is going to be necessary. Doesn't bother me| I think the result will be better with two pairs of eyes on it. In this section I will discuss the changes.Branigan 21:03, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Bracketing out the subsection. I plan another section on the settlement of Barnstable County, short I hope. You can help me to keep it short. Meanwhile I am putting the subsection title back in.
 * "whetting a competitive interest of the other monarchies of Europe in establishing claims to the lands north of New Spain. The geographic details of these lands were unknown except for scattered reports of private voyagers, but not for long." These were intended as transitional sentences - you state the obvious to retain the thread. However, we could condense by cutting them out. Note that you do not necessarily have to place a tag to get my attention. I'm developing this section now so I'll be on it until done. If you want to suggest something in the discussion, fine, or even help to write it. I may do some condensation myself.
 * The shoals, the cape, the coast of Maine. These are all covered in the ref, which I guess you did not have time to check. WP provides the named ref for such cases, which I will use, but you know, it only multiplies the footnotes. Say, you know, this is getting interesting. I'm glad you are along. I'll be doing this for the county series where warranted so if you want to tag along as my watchdog that is fine with me. I sort of feel validated and I am sure it must make you feel good too.
 * Coast of Maine. That is the prevailing view. You have that suggestion of original research just a few words from the ref! However, I will allow you some mistakes. We can't be perfect editors. I suppose it seemed suspicious to you on first reading. It might be better to check some refs, but I appreciate having suspicious-looking material tagged also. Now, there are minority opinions that the cliffs and pine forests were near Plymouth. It is a minority opinion because the coast of MA does not look like that and the author skipped right over Boston and Cape Ann. I guess it could have been Cape Ann. What we can do if you don't want to just accept the prevalent view is mention the author by name: "according to so-and-so..." or state that there are different views and list some locations. Each one of those will take a ref. It's up to you. You can either do it yourself or state here what you would like.
 * Name of Cape Cod. I have not has a chance to put the ref in. It will be there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Botteville (talk • contribs) 21:35, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

 * I noted several phrases which express conjecture without indicating who is expressing it. The reader can only assume that it is Wikipedia that is conjecturing, i.e. presenting OR. Even if the conjecture is supported by the source we need to write it so it's clear that it comes from the source, i.e. "which, Joe Doe says, must be the coast of Maine" or use a direct quotation "is clearly referring to the coast of Maine"[1] with attribution. Joja  lozzo  21:42, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the interest in the article. I'm pulling out of it now. I know I said I would be with it, and I did intend to be, but the situation has changed. I noticed that a coastline of Barnstable County is given. It is not in the cited ref but I did find it in a book. I wanted to reference the ambiguity of coastline figures so I checked some material on the Richardson Effect under Coastline I had written in 2008 and found there a situation leading to my current decision. You can read it on my UP and discussion pages. Nevertheless I think this article was improved by me. Do what you think best. Luck.Branigan 17:00, 5 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Botteville (talk • contribs)

Low
The phrase "3.6% spoke English" is using a very low number. This might be vandalism for 93.6% — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.162.31 (talk) 10:04, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

 * A more accurate figure appears now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.162.31 (talk) 15:59, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

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Merger proposal
I propose that Barnstable County, Massachusetts and Cape Cod be merged into a single article. The reason is because the two places are coextensive with each other. I don't have an opinion on which of the two names I prefer. 74.104.173.120 (talk) 17:59, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Disagree, for reasons that one represents the county government, the other a geographic feature. By this logic Formosa should be merged with Taiwan, the Pioneer Valley should merge with Franklin County, Hampshire County, and Hampden County... and Suffolk County should be Boston. These two should remain separate for formality's sake.--Simtropolitan (talk) 20:52, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Disagree for the same reasons as Simtropolitan. Jokullmusic 16:37, 5 January 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jokullmusic (talk • contribs)
 * Strong disagree as above. J 1982 (talk) 22:48, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Disagree. Understandable proposal, but seems better to leave county government article separate from geo/cultural one. Eric talk 01:43, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Disagree as per above, although recognize this suggestion was made in good faith. "Coextensive" =/= "identical."Bigturtle (talk) 01:46, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Disagree. The county consists of Cape Cod and associated islands. So not exactly coextensive; the cape is a subset of the county; albeit a very, very large subset. – wbm1058 (talk) 04:00, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

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How is this pronounced in the US? Bark-sherr, as is the case for Berkshire in the UK? Or is the berk pronounced like the word "berk" (as opposed to "bark")? It might be a good idea to add this info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.114.214.144 (talk) 18:32, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * In America, under the influence of the spelling, Berk shy urr would be the actual pronunciation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.162.31 (talk) 09:29, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

No, it's pronounced berk shurr — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.233.166.236 (talk) 01:56, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure who claimed that Berkshire is pronounced "Berk-shy-er" in the United States, but they probably don't come from New England (because that pronunciation is unheard of here). As a life-long New Englander who is naturally familiar with colloquial speech, I can say unequivocally that such a pronunciation is incorrect.  There are two slightly different pronunciations that I have heard in widespread use in Southern New England.  One is "Berk-sher", the other "Berk-sheer"; never "Berk-shy-er". —Jgcoleman (talk) 14:52, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

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I deleted the reference to the county being nicknamed the'the Bayou' because of its supposedly wet and rural character. With nearly 1,000 people per square mile, it has been some time since the county was rural except for some small pockets. The nickname is unsourced, and I have never seen any reference to it in any of the local media.

I have added a list of the current elected officials, although I haven't been able to figure out how to format them correctly, and deleted reference to Sheriff Hodgson as the 'High Sheriff'. There is no such office in Massachusetts. A Massachusetts sheriff is principally the guy who runs the county jail.

--Conant Webb 12:12, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

 * If there's no such office, why is the title used in Plymouth County, as well as the former Franklin County?  Seems to me the adjective's optional.  Sahasrahla 02:27, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Granted, the Plymouth County Sheriff calls himself 'High Sheriff' and one Federal District Court judge has used the term. However, if you search the Massachusetts General Laws for 'sheriff' you get dozens of hits, but 'high sheriff' yields only one instance where 'high' and sheriff' happen to appear in the same paragraph. Conant Webb 17:03, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

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