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Carter Center

The Carter Center is a nongovernmental, not-for-profit organization founded in 1982 by former U.S. President Jimmy Carter. He and his wife Rosalynn Carter partnered with Emory University after his defeat in the 1980 United States presidential election. The center is located in a shared building adjacent to the Jimmy Carter Library and Museum on 37 acre of parkland, on the site of the razed neighborhood of Copenhill, two miles (3 km) from downtown Atlanta, Georgia. The library and museum are owned and operated by the United States National Archives and Records Administration, while the center is governed by a Board of Trustees, consisting of business leaders, educators, former government officials, and philanthropists.

The Carter Center's goal is to advance human rights and alleviate human suffering, including helping improve the quality of life for people in more than 80 countries. The center has many projects including election monitoring, supporting locally led state-building and democratic institution-building in various countries, mediating conflicts between warring states, and intervening with heads of states on behalf of victims of human rights abuses. It also leads disease eradication efforts, spearheading the campaign to eradicate Guinea worm disease, as well as controlling and treating onchocerciasis, trachoma, lymphatic filariasis, and malaria through awareness campaigns.

In 2002, Jimmy Carter received the Nobel Peace Prize for his work "to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts, to advance democracy and human rights, and to promote economic and social development" through the Carter Center. In 2007, he wrote an autobiography entitled Beyond the White House: Waging Peace, Fighting Disease, Building Hope, which chronicles the first 25 years of The Carter Center.

History
The center was founded in 1982 and dedicated in 1986 with William Foege as its executive director.

In 1993, John Hardman was appointed executive director, and during the 1990s the center received several multimillion-dollar donations to fight Guinea worm disease and to prevent blindness.

In 1994, the center launched an initiative called "Not Even One" to fight child death by firearm. They decided to expand the program on March 25, 1997, effective April 1 of the same year.

On October 2, 1995, The Rosalynn Carter Georgia Mental Health Forum was held at The Carter Center.

Governance
The center is governed by a board of trustees, which oversees the organization’s assets and property and promotes its objectives and goals. In November 2015, Jason Carter, grandson of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter, became Chair of the board of trustees.

A community advisory group – the Board of Councilors – includes public and private-sector leaders who support The Carter Center and its activities in their communities and organizations. Members attend quarterly presentations on the center’s work.

The CEO of The Carter Center is Paige Alexander, appointed on June 16, 2020. Her predecessor was (Ret.) Ambassador Mary Ann Peters who served in the position since 2014.

Center-based councils of eminent persons who offer guidance to or participate in center activities include: the Council of Presidents and Prime Ministers of the Americas, the International Task Force for Disease Eradication, and the Mental Health Task Force. The Carter Center also collaborates with other public and private organizations.

Observing elections
The Carter Center performs election observation, sending teams of observers to determine the legitimacy of 115 elections in 40 countries since 1989.

Carter Center observers analyze election laws, assess voter education and registration processes, and evaluate fairness in campaigns. The presence of impartial election observers deters interference or fraud in the voting process, and reassures voters that they can safely and secretly cast their ballots and that vote tabulation will be conducted without tampering.

Teams typically include 30-100 highly qualified impartial observers – regional leaders, political scientists, regional specialists, and election observation professionals.

The Carter Center sends observers only when invited by a country’s electoral authorities and welcomed by the major political parties. Observers do not interfere in the electoral process and do not represent the U.S. government.

The center played a key role – with the U.N. Electoral Assistance Division and the National Democratic Institute – in building consensus on a common set of international principles for election observation. It is also leading the effort to develop effective methodologies for observing elections that employ new electronic voting technologies.

In the 2020 US election, the Carter Center observed parts of the process at home for the first time in the history of the United States. In this context, the center conducted information campaigns in advance to strengthen confidence in the election process. On November 13, 2020, the center announced that it would monitor the hand recount in Georgia to "help bolster transparency and confidence in election results.

Strengthening democracy beyond elections
The Carter Center supports the growth of democratic institutions to ensure that there is a respect for rule of law and human rights, that government decisions are open and transparent, and that everyone can have adequate resources to compete fairly for public office.

For example, the center is supporting the efforts of civic leaders in Ethiopia to convene discussions about the most pressing and contentious political and social issues facing the country, and in the Palestinian Territories, it maintains a small presence in Ramallah focused on the ongoing monitoring and analysis of critical issues of democratic development.

Democratic initiatives in Latin America include support for regional access-to-information programs, creation of an inter-American support network, and reform of political campaign financing. The center-based Council of Presidents and Prime Ministers of the Americas plays an important role in accomplishing these objectives.

The Carter Center also promotes the dissemination to emerging democracies and regional organizations of models, lessons, and best practices for democratic governance. The goal is to empower those in transitioning countries who are trying to build stronger democratic institutions and practices.

Advancing human rights
The Carter Center believes all people are entitled to basic human rights. These rights include political rights, such as peace, freedom, and self-governance, as well as the social rights of health care, food, shelter, and economic opportunity.

The center actively supports human rights defenders around the world. In partnership with Human Rights First and the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights, the Center holds an annual human rights defenders policy forum hosted by President Carter in Atlanta.

President and Mrs. Carter have intervened with heads of state on behalf of human rights defenders and victims for more than 20 years. They often take their human rights concerns to heads of state in personal meetings and through letters.

The center and President Carter are strong supporters of the U.N. Human Rights Council and the International Criminal Court. Both oppose the death penalty and urge its abolition in the U.S.

Mediating conflict
Recalling President Carter’s success in the White House negotiating the long-lasting peace treaty between Israel and Egypt, groups in conflict turn to The Carter Center to help them prevent and resolve conflict. Lacking any official authority, the center has become a trusted broker for peace, serving as a channel for dialogue and negotiation.

Recent examples include:
 * President Carter’s mission to North Korea in 1994, which paved the way for a U.S.-North Korea pact on nuclear issues.
 * Assisting unofficial Israeli and Palestinian negotiators in designing a model agreement for peace – called the Geneva Accord – in 2002 and 2003.
 * Negotiation of the Nairobi Agreement in 1999 between Sudan and Uganda
 * President Carter’s mission to Haiti in 1994 with Senator Sam Nunn and the then former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Colin Powell to avert a U.S.-led multinational invasion and restore to power Haiti’s democratically elected president.
 * President Carter’s historic trip to Cuba in 2002 to seek improved U.S.-Cuban relations
 * Negotiation of a cease-fire in 1995 in Sudan to allow humanitarian groups treat Guinea worm disease and river blindness and immunize children.
 * Holding summits in Egypt and Tunisia in 1995 and 1996 to address violence in the Great Lakes region of Africa
 * An agreement on the restoration of low-level diplomatic relations between Colombia and Ecuador under a deal brokered by the former president, as announced by the Carter Center on June 8, 2008.

Assisting China village elections
Since 1988, the Chinese government has authorized direct village elections to help maintain social and political order in the context of rapid economic reforms. At the invitation of China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, The Carter Center initiated a joint project in 1998 to standardize Chinese village election procedures and assist in training of election officials and elected National People’s Congress deputies. In 2011, the Carter Center decided to focus on advancing the US- China relationship, and since 2015 has been promoting greater Africa-U.S.-China cooperation.

Health programs
The center has prevented the suffering of millions of people around the world from illnesses often ignored by others. Health programs seek to provide people with the information and access to services they need to treat their illnesses and take steps to prevent future spread of disease. An emphasis is placed on building partnerships for change among international agencies, governments, nongovernmental organizations, and corporations and on working with ministries of health to strengthen or establish permanent health care delivery systems in the poorest nations.

During his acceptance speech for the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002, Carter commented on what he felt is the greatest challenge the world faces:

“Among all the possible choices, I decided that the most serious and universal problem is the growing chasm between the richest and poorest people on earth. Citizens of the ten wealthiest countries are now 75 times richer than those who live in the ten poorest ones, and the separation is increasing every year, not only between nations but also within them. The results of this disparity are root causes of most of the world’s unresolved problems, including starvation, illiteracy, environmental degradation, violent conflict and unnecessary illnesses that range from Guinea worm to HIV/AIDS. Tragically, in the industrialized world there is a terrible absence of understanding or concern about those who are enduring lives of despair and hopelessness. We have not yet made the commitment to share with others an appreciable part of our excessive wealth. This is a necessary and potentially rewarding burden that we should all be willing to assume."

Disease eradication efforts
The Carter Center began spearheading the campaign to eradicate Guinea worm disease worldwide in 1986. At the time, there were about 3.5 million annual cases of the disease in 20 countries in Africa and Asia. In 2016, there were 25 reported cases in three countries: South Sudan, Chad, and Ethiopia. Guinea worm disease is poised to be the first parasitic disease to be eradicated and the only disease to be eradicated without the use of vaccines or drugs.

Within affected countries, the center reinforces existing disease eradication programs by providing technical and financial assistance, as well as logistics and tools, such as donated filter cloth material, larvicide, and medical kits.

The International Task Force for Disease Eradication has been based at The Carter Center since its formation in 1988. The group has reviewed more than 100 infectious diseases and identified six as potentially eradicable – dracunculiasis, poliomyelitis, mumps, rubella, lymphatic filariasis, and cysticercosis.

Implementing disease control and treatment measures
Since 1996, the center has been a leader in the fight against onchocerciasis, commonly known as river blindness – a parasitic disease transmitted by the bites of black flies.

The center has worked to stop the spread of the disease in 11 countries across Africa and the Americas by helping residents and local health workers institute and sustain drug treatment programs and health education activities. The international river blindness campaign seeks to eliminate the disease from the Western Hemisphere by 2015.

The center has distributed more than 125 million doses of Mectizan (ivermectin) – a drug donated by Merck & Co., Inc., that treats and prevents river blindness.

Center health workers also prevent transmission of trachoma – a bacterial infection that is the leading cause of preventable blindness worldwide. Trachoma is prevalent in places that lack the tools for basic hygiene, clean water, and adequate sanitation.

The Center follows the World Health Organization’s four-pronged approach – called the SAFE strategy – to fight trachoma in six African countries. The Trachoma Control Program is working to improve sanitation in those communities by building latrines, providing corrective surgery, distributing antibiotics, and educating communities on basic hygiene.

, The Carter Center has helped to build more than one million latrines in its effort to fight trachoma.

The latrines contain human waste, preventing it from serving as a breeding ground for the disease-carrying flies, thereby reducing one way the disease is spread.

Lymphatic filariasis and malaria are mosquito-borne diseases also targeted by The Carter Center. The center has distributed four million long-lasting insecticidal bed nets. It has also established drug distribution systems in Nigeria to treat and stem the spread of lymphatic filariasis and schistosomiasis.

Training public health workers
The Carter Center believes in building networks of village-based health care workers to treat people for various diseases at the same time. Emphasis is on helping national and local governments establish programs that they can sustain into the future.

Since 1997, the center established with the Ethiopian ministries of health and education the Ethiopia Public Health Training Initiative to improve academic training for health care personnel in Ethiopia and increase access to health care in rural communities throughout the country.

Strengthening agricultural production
In partnership with the Sasakawa Africa Association, the center has worked since 1986 in 15 sub-Saharan African countries to teach 8-10 million small-scale farmers improved techniques that double or triple their crop yields.

The program promotes use of fertilizers and crop protection chemicals, soil fertility, and environmentally friendly agronomic methods of crop production. It also supports efforts to construct quality grain storage to sustain market prices for the farmer and ensure greater food security, establish farmers' associations, and use quality food crops such as high-protein maize.

Reducing stigma of mental illness
Rosalynn Carter led the center’s efforts to fight stigma associated with mental illness. The center works to improve U.S. public policies that can help prevent mental illnesses and increase equity in mental health care, holding an annual symposium with national leaders in mental health and other fields.

The center also seeks to raise public awareness of mental health issues globally through the Rosalynn Carter Fellowships for Mental Health Journalism, which enable journalists to explore mental health issues. To date, more than 100 journalists have participated in the program.

Accolades
Jimmy Carter received the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002 for his work through the Carter Center. The Carter Center received the inaugural Delta Prize for Global Understanding in 1999—an award administered by the University of Georgia.

In 2006, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation presented the Carter Center with the Gates Award for Global Health.

The center was awarded Hamdan Award for Volunteers in Humanitarian Medical Services for 2013–14.

Annual weekend
Since 1992, the Carter Center has organized an annual weekend. In 2019, for the first time, part of the event program was opened to the media, a discussion on human rights. An important part of the event is an auction that raised $1.6 million in 2013 and $4 million in 2018.

Alleged funding-based bias
In 2007, Alan Dershowitz, an American attorney, alleged on a pro-Israel website that the center's focus "is away from significant Arab abuses and on Israel's far less serious ones" and that this is influenced by the center's receipt of donations from Arab sources. One of the initial contributors to the center was Bank of Commerce and Credit International founder Agha Hasan Abedi, who donated $500,000. Abedi and BCCI also donated $8 million to Carter's Global 2000 project.

According to the center, which discloses all donations over $1000, 2.5 percent of the total amount of contributions it has received since its founding in 1982 thru 2016 were from donors in Middle East Arab nations.

Of the donations from the Middle East, the center stated that:

"'83% of those funds have helped to support health programs in Africa, 9.8% have gone to the center's endowment, 2.7% were for original construction of buildings at our headquarters in Atlanta, Georgia, and 4.5% for projects to directly promote peace, such as specific election observations.'"

Venezuelan referendum
The center’s endorsement of the electoral process in the 2004 Venezuelan recall referendum has been disputed. Fox News' Doug Schoen told Michael Barone of U.S. News & World Report, "Our internal sourcing tells us that there was fraud in the Venezuelan central commission. There are widespread reports of irregularities and evidence of fraud, many of them ably recorded by Mary Anastasia O'Grady in The Wall Street Journal last week. Carter is untroubled by any of this, and declares that Chavez won 'fair and square.'" The Carter Center looked into the allegations and released a paper and statistical analysis reaffirming their original conclusions.

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Logit analysis in marketing

Logit analysis is a statistical technique used in marketing research. It can be applied with regression analysis to customer targeting and to assess effectiveness of promotional activities.

Used to assess the scope of customer acceptance of a new product, it attempts to determine the intensity or magnitude of customers' purchase intentions and translates that into a measure of actual buying behaviour. Logit analysis assumes that an unmet need in the marketplace has already been detected, and that the product has been designed to meet that need. The purpose of logit analysis is to quantify the potential sales of that product. It takes survey data on consumers' purchase intentions and converts it into actual purchase probabilities.

Logit analysis defines the functional relationship between stated purchase intentions and preferences, and the actual probability of purchase. A preference regression is performed on the survey data. This is then modified with actual historical observations of purchase behavior. The resultant functional relationship defines purchase probability.

This is the most useful of the purchase intention/rating translations because explicit measures of confidence level and statistical significance can be calculated. Other purchase intention/rating translations include the preference-rank translation and the intent scale translation. The logit function is the reciprocal function to the sigmoid logistic function.

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List of cuisines

A cuisine is a specific set of cooking traditions and practices, often associated with a specific culture or region. Each cuisine involves food preparation in a particular style, of food and drink of particular types, to produce individually consumed items or distinct meals. A cuisine is frequently named after the region or place where it originated. A cuisine is primarily influenced by the ingredients that are available locally or through trade. Religious food laws can also exercise a strong influence on such culinary practices.

Regional and ethnic cuisines
Global cuisine is a cuisine that is practiced around the world. A cuisine is a characteristic style of cooking practices and traditions, often associated with a specific region, country or culture. To become a global cuisine, a local, regional or national cuisine must spread around the world with its food served worldwide.

Regional cuisine is based upon national, state or local regions. Regional cuisines may vary based upon food availability and trade, varying climates, cooking traditions and practices, and cultural differences. One noteworthy definition is based upon traditional cuisine: "A traditional cuisine is a coherent tradition of food preparation that rises from the daily lives and kitchens of a people over an extended period in a specific region of a country, or a specific country, and which, when localized, has notable distinctions from the cuisine of the country as a whole."

Central African cuisine
• Angolan cuisine

• Cameroonian cuisine

• Chadian cuisine

• Congolese cuisine

• Centrafrican cuisine

• Equatorial Guinea cuisine

• Gabonese cuisine

• Santomean cuisine

East African cuisine
• Burundian cuisine

• Comorian cuisine

• Djiboutian cuisine

• Eritrean cuisine

• Ethiopian cuisine

• * Ethiopian Jewish cuisine

• Kenyan cuisine

• Maasai cuisine

• Malagasy cuisine

• Malawian cuisine

• Mauritian cuisine

• Mozambican cuisine

• Rwandan cuisine

• Seychellois cuisine

• Somali cuisine

• Sudanese cuisine

• South Sudanese cuisine

• Tanzanian cuisine

• * Zanzibari cuisine

• Ugandan cuisine

• Zambian cuisine

• Zimbabwean cuisine

North African cuisine
• Algerian cuisine

• Berber cuisine

• Egyptian cuisine

• Libyan cuisine

• Moroccan cuisine

• Tunisian cuisine

• Western Saharan cuisine

Southern African cuisine
• Botswana cuisine

• Eswatini cuisine

• Lesotho cuisine

• Namibian cuisine

• South African cuisine

• *Afrikaner cuisine

West African cuisine
• Benin cuisine

• Burkinabé cuisine

• Cape Verdean cuisine

• Gambian cuisine

• Ghanaian cuisine

• Guinean cuisine

• Guinea-Bissauan cuisine

• Ivorian cuisine

• Liberian cuisine

• Malian cuisine

• Mauritanian cuisine

• Niger cuisine

• Nigerian cuisine

• Saint Helenian cuisine

• Senegalese cuisine

• Sierra Leone cuisine

• Togolese cuisine

Cuisine of the Americas

 * Latin American cuisine
 * Native American cuisine
 * Inuit cuisine
 * Tlingit cuisine

North American cuisine
• Bermudian cuisine

• Canadian cuisine

• * Canadian Chinese cuisine

• * Cuisine of the Maritimes

• * Cuisine of Quebec

• * Cuisine of Toronto

• Greenlandic cuisine

• Inuit cuisine

• Mexican cuisine

• * Cuisine of Chiapas

• * Cuisine of Mexico City

• * Oaxacan cuisine

• * Cuisine of Veracruz

• * Mesoamerican cuisine

• ** Ancient Maya cuisine

• ** Aztec cuisine

• * Mexican-American cuisine

• ** Cali-Mex cuisine

• ***Korean-Mexican fusion

• ** New Mexican cuisine

• ** Tex-Mex cuisine

• Tlingit cuisine

American cuisine
• Midwestern American cuisine

• * Cuisine of Chicago

• * Cuisine of North Dakota

• * Cuisine of Omaha

• * Cuisine of St. Louis

• * Cuisine of Wisconsin

• * Minnesotan cuisine

• ** Iron Range cuisine

• Northeastern American cuisines

• * Cuisine of New England

• * Cuisine of the Mid-Atlantic United States

• ** Cuisine of Baltimore

• ** Cuisine of New Jersey

• ** Cuisine of New York City

• ** Cuisine of the Pennsylvania Dutch

• ** Cuisine of Philadelphia

• ** Cuisine of Pittsburgh

• Southern American cuisine

• * Cuisine of Atlanta

• * Floribbean cuisine

• * Cuisine of Kentucky

• * Louisiana Creole cuisine

• ** Cajun cuisine

• ** Cuisine of New Orleans

• * Lowcountry cuisine

• * Soul food

• Southwestern American cuisine

• * New Mexican cuisine

• * Texan cuisine

• ** Tex-Mex cuisine

• Western American cuisine

• * Cuisine of California

• ** California cuisine

• **Korean-Mexican fusion

• * Hawaiian cuisine

• * Pacific Northwest cuisine

• * Rocky Mountain cuisine

• Fusion cuisine

• * American Jewish cuisine

• * Cajun cuisine

• * Chinese American cuisine

• * Filipino-American cuisine

• * Floribbean cuisine

• * German-American cuisine

• * Greek-American cuisine

• * Indian-American cuisine

• * Italian-American cuisine

• * Japanese-American cuisine

• * Korean-American cuisine

• **Korean-Mexican fusion

• * Mexican-American cuisine

• ** Cali-Mex cuisine

• ** New Mexican cuisine

• ** Tex-Mex cuisine

• * Cuisine of the Pennsylvania Dutch

• * Thai-American cuisine

• * Vietnamese-American cuisine

• * New American cuisine

Central American cuisine
• Belizean cuisine

• Costa Rican cuisine

• Guatemalan cuisine

• Honduran cuisine

• Mesoamerican cuisine

• * Ancient Maya cuisine

• Nicaraguan cuisine

• Panamanian cuisine

• Salvadoran cuisine

South American cuisine
• Argentinian cuisine

• Bolivian cuisine

• Brazilian cuisine

• Chilean cuisine

• Colombian cuisine

• * Muisca cuisine

• Ecuadorian cuisine

• French Guianan cuisine

• Guyanese cuisine

• Paraguayan cuisine

• * Cuisine of Asunción

• Peruvian cuisine

• * Peruvian-Chinese cuisine

• * Inca cuisine

• Surinamese cuisine

• Uruguayan cuisine

• * Cuisine of Montevideo

• Venezuelan cuisine

Caribbean cuisine
• Anguillan cuisine

• Antigua and Barbuda cuisine

• Aruban cuisine

• Bahamian cuisine

• Barbadian cuisine

• Belizean cuisine

• British Virgin Islands cuisine

• Cayman Islands cuisine

• Caribbean Chinese cuisine

• Cuban cuisine

• Curaçao cuisine

• Dominica cuisine

• Dominican Republic cuisine

• Floribbean cuisine

• French Guianan cuisine

• Grenadian cuisine

• Guyanese cuisine

• Haitian cuisine

• Jamaican cuisine

• Martinican cuisine

• Montserrat cuisine

• Puerto Rican cuisine

• St. Kitts and Nevis cuisine

• Saint Lucian cuisine

• Surinamese cuisine

• Trinidad and Tobago cuisine

• Turks and Caicos cuisine

• US Virgin Islands cuisine

Central Asian cuisine
• Afghan cuisine

• * Hazara cuisine

• * Pashtun cuisine

• Azerbaijani cuisine

• Balochi cuisine

• Bashkir cuisine

• Bukharan Jewish cuisine

• Dagestani cuisine

• Iranian cuisine

• * Caspian cuisine

• * Kurdish cuisine

• Karakalpak cuisine

• Kazakh cuisine

• Koryo-saram cuisine

• Kyrgyz cuisine

• Tajik cuisine

• Tatar cuisine

• Turkmen cuisine

• Uyghur cuisine

• Uzbek cuisine

East Asian cuisine
• Japanese cuisine

• * Ainu cuisine

• * Kaiseki

• * Okinawan cuisine

• * Japanese regional cuisine

• ** Nagoya cuisine

• * Japanese fusion food

• ** Japanese-American cuisine

• ** Japanese Chinese cuisine

• *** Shippoku

• ** Hawaiian cuisine

• ** Itameshi

• ** Yoshoku

• Korean cuisine

• * Korean Chinese cuisine

• * Korean regional cuisine

• * Korean royal court cuisine

• * Korean temple cuisine

• * Koryo-saram cuisine

• * North Korean cuisine

• * Sakhalin Korean cuisine

• * South Korean cuisine

• * Korean-Mexican fusion

• Vietnamese cuisine

Chinese cuisine
• Northern Chinese Cuisine

• * Beijing cuisine

• ** Chinese aristocrat cuisine

• ** Chinese imperial cuisine

• * Hebei cuisine

• * Henan cuisine

• * Northeastern Chinese cuisine

• **Heilongjiang cuisine

• **Jilin cuisine

• ** Liaoning cuisine

• ** Manchu cuisine

• * Shandong cuisine

• * Shanxi cuisine

• * Tianjin cuisine

• * Xuzhou cuisine

• Central Chinese Cuisine

• * Anhui cuisine

• * Jiangsu cuisine

• ** Huaiyang cuisine

• * Shanghai cuisine

• ** Haipai cuisine

• * Zhejiang cuisine

• **Hangbang cuisine

• North Western Chinese Cuisine

• * Gansu cuisine

• * Ningxia cuisine

• * Qinghai cuisine

• * Shaanxi cuisine

• South Western Chinese Cuisine

• * Guilin cuisine

• * Guizhou cuisine

• * Hubei cuisine

• * Hunan cuisine

• * Jiangxi cuisine

• * Sichuan cuisine

• * Tujia cuisine

• * Yunnan cuisine

• Southern Chinese Cuisine

• * Cantonese cuisine

• ** Guangxi cuisine

• **Hong Kong cuisine

• ** Macanese cuisine

• * Hakka cuisine

• * Min cuisine

• ** Fuzhou cuisine

• ** Hainan cuisine

• ** Minnan cuisine

• ** Putian (Henghwa) cuisine

• ** Chaoshan (Teochew) cuisine

• * Ou cuisine

• * Taiwan cuisine

• Chinese minority cuisines

• * Hlai cuisine

• * Kachin cuisine

• * Miao cuisine

• ** Hmong cuisine

• * Mongolian cuisine

• * Tibetan cuisine

• * Wa cuisine

• * Xinjiang (Uyghur) cuisine

• * Yao cuisine

• * Yi cuisine

• * Zhuang cuisine

• Chinese religious cuisines

• * Chinese Buddhist cuisine

• * Chinese Islamic cuisine

• * Taoist diet

• Overseas Chinese cuisine

• * American Chinese cuisine

• * Australian Chinese cuisine

• * British Chinese cuisine

• * Burmese Chinese cuisine

• * Cambodian Chinese cuisine

• * Canadian Chinese cuisine

• * Caribbean Chinese cuisine

• * Filipino Chinese cuisine

• * French Chinese cuisine

• * Indian Chinese cuisine

• * Indonesian Chinese cuisine

• * Japanese Chinese cuisine

• **Shippoku

• * Latin American Chinese cuisine

• ** Cuban Chinese cuisine

• ** Mexican Chinese cuisine

• ** Peruvian Chinese cuisine

• ** Puerto Rican Chinese cuisine

• * Korean Chinese cuisine

• * Malaysian Chinese cuisine

• * Mauritian Chinese cuisine

• * New Zealand Chinese cuisine

• * Pakistani Chinese cuisine

• * Peranakan cuisine

• * Singaporean Chinese cuisine

• * Thai Chinese cuisine

• * Vietnamese Chinese cuisine

Highland Asian cuisine

 * Bhutanese cuisine
 * Mongolian cuisine
 * Buryat cuisine
 * Kalmyk cuisine
 * Sikkimese cuisine
 * Tibetan cuisine
 * Tuvan cuisine

North Asian cuisine
• Russian cuisine

• * Buryat cuisine

• * Chukchi cuisine

• * Cuisine of Commander Islands

• * Sakha cuisine

• * Sakhalin Korean cuisine

• * Yamal cuisine

• * Yup'ik cuisine

South Asian cuisine
• Bangladeshi cuisine

• * Bengali cuisine

• Maldivian cuisine

• Nepalese cuisine

• * Newari cuisine

• Sri Lankan cuisine

Indian cuisine
• West Indian cuisine

• * Goan cuisine

• ** Goan Catholic cuisine

• * Gujarati cuisine

• * Maharashtrian cuisine

• * Malvani cuisine

• * Parsi cuisine

• * Rajasthani cuisine

• * Sindhi cuisine

• North Indian cuisine

• * Bhojpuri cuisine

• * Kashmiri cuisine

• * Maithil cuisine

• * Mughlai cuisine

• * Punjabi cuisine

• * Rajasthani cuisine

• * Uttar Pradesh cuisine

• ** Awadhi cuisine

• South Indian cuisine

• * Karnataka cuisine

• ** Dakshina Karnataka cuisine

• ** Kodava cuisine

• ** Mangalurean cuisine

• *** Mangalurean Catholic cuisine

• *** Navyath Muslim cuisine

• ** Udupi cuisine

• ** Uttara Karnataka cuisine

• * Kerala cuisine

• * Tamil cuisine

• ** Chettinad cuisine

• * Telugu cuisine

• ** Andhra cuisine

• ** Hyderabadi cuisine

• North East Indian cuisine

• * Assamese cuisine

• * Manipuri cuisine

• **Meitei cuisine

• * Mizo cuisine

• * Naga cuisine

• * Sikkimese cuisine

• * Tripuri cuisine

• East Indian cuisine

• * Bengali cuisine

• * Bihari cuisine

• * Jharkhandi cuisine

• * Odia cuisine

• * Oriya cuisine

• Other Indian cuisine

• * Anglo-Indian cuisine

• * Indo Caribbean food

• * Indian Chinese cuisine

• * Indian fast food

• * Indo-Fijian food

• * Indo-South African food

• * Jain cuisine

• * Malaysian Indian cuisine

Pakistani cuisine

• Balochi cuisine

• Hazara cuisine

• Kashmiri cuisine

• Mughlai cuisine

• Muhajir cuisine

• Punjabi cuisine

• * Lahori cuisine

• * Saraiki cuisine

• Pashtun cuisine

• Sindhi cuisine

Mainland Southeast Asian cuisine
• Burmese cuisine

• * Burmese Chinese cuisine

• Cambodian cuisine

• Cham cuisine

• Hmong cuisine

• Kachin cuisine

• Karen cuisine

• Manipuri cuisine

• *Meitei cuisine

• Mizo cuisine

• Mon cuisine

• Naga cuisine

• Thai cuisine

• * Lanna cuisine

• * Lao cuisine

• * Shan cuisine

• * Southern Thai cuisine

• * Thai-Chinese cuisine

• Tripuri cuisine

• Vietnamese cuisine

• Wa cuisine

Maritime Southeast Asian cuisine

 * Bruneian cuisine
 * Christmas Island cuisine
 * East Timor cuisine
 * Filipino cuisine
 * Filipino-American cuisine
 * Filipino Chinese cuisine
 * Ilocano cuisine
 * Kapampangan cuisine
 * Mindanao cuisine
 * Tagalog cuisine
 * Visayan cuisine
 * Malaysian cuisine
 * Arab cuisine
 * Eurasian cuisine
 * Malay cuisine
 * Malaysian Chinese cuisine
 * Malaysian Indian cuisine
 * Peranakan cuisine
 * Sabahan cuisine
 * Sarawakian cuisine
 * Singaporean cuisine

Indonesian cuisine

• Acehnese cuisine

• Balinese cuisine

• Banjar cuisine

• Batak cuisine

• Indo cuisine

• Indonesian Arab cuisine

• Indonesian Chinese cuisine

• Indonesian Indian cuisine

• Javanese cuisine

• * Betawi cuisine

• * Madurese cuisine

• * Sundanese cuisine

• Makassar cuisine

• Malay cuisine

• Manado cuisine

• Padang food

• * Palembang cuisine

• * Peranakan cuisine

West Asian cuisine
• Armenian cuisine

• Eastern Arabian cuisine

• * Bahraini cuisine

• * Emirati cuisine

• * Kuwaiti cuisine

• * Omani cuisine

• * Qatari cuisine

• * Saudi Arabian cuisine

• * Yemeni cuisine

• Kurdish cuisine

• Levantine cuisine

• * Iraqi cuisine

• * Israeli cuisine

• ** Ancient Israelite cuisine

• * Jordanian cuisine

• * Lebanese cuisine

• * Mizrahi Jewish cuisine

• * Palestinian cuisine

• * Syrian cuisine

• ** Syrian Jewish cuisine

• Assyrian cuisine

• Caucasian cuisine

• * Azerbaijani cuisine

• * Chechen cuisine

• * Circassian cuisine

• * Dagestani cuisine

• * Georgian cuisine

• * Ossetian cuisine

• Iranian cuisine

• * Balochi cuisine

• * Caspian cuisine

• Sephardic Jewish cuisine

• Turkish cuisine

• * Pontic Greek cuisine

Central European cuisine
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Talk:Wolfe Tone

Surname
When people refer to him by surname, they say Wolfe Tone rather than Tone, though Tone is sometimes used. When people use a first name, they use Theobald Wolfe Tone. It is not strictly correct to treat Wolfe Tone as a form of surname but that is how it is frequently used, so the article should use all three names, as that is how, if he is fully named, he is referred to. FearÉIREANN 18:28 11 Jul 2003 (UTC)

 * His grandfather was William Tone; his father was Peter Tone. His godfather was Theobald Wolfe. Perhaps TW were given as his first names at his christening?Wluki 14:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Yes, he never answered to 'Wolfe Tone'. Would you ever name president JFK as 'Fitzgerald Kennedy'?Red Hurley 23:54, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

How do you know he never answered to it? in some countries (Scotland is an example) it is the middle, rather than first, name by which a person is normally known. This may have been the case in Eighteenth Century Ireland, but we just don't know. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

 * Wolfe Tone wasn't an Anglican, was he? I was fairly certain he was a Dissenter by upbringing (although a Deist in actual fact)... I'll have to dig up his diary I suppose, I've got it somewhere, whopping great thing. QuartierLatin1968 [[Image:Red Flag waving.png|20px|The worker's flag is deepest red,/It shrouded oft our martyred dead]] 17:11, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

He was Anglican - Peter O Connell

Baptised at St. Mary's Church, Dublin, which was Church of Ireland. 86.139.146.166 16:24, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Is this guy the same as Wolf Tolan? - Yaris678 (talk) 23:09, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Needs improvement
This article, like most of the 1911 ones, needs lot of work. A lot of the info is actually POC commentary and the writing style is aslo very dated. Not only that, but some of the facts are a bit suspect as well. Jdorney 12:13, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

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I added external link to Tone's speech to his court-martial, as printed in an 1817 Memoir of another United Irishman rewinn 15:50, 5 May 2006 (UTC)rewinn

 * I don't mind the writing style, which at least is lucid, so much as the way it reads like a college essay. The writer is making an argument about Tone, and however persuasive the argument, that's not what this site is for.  For example, you can't just assert in a wikipedia article that Tone was a disciple of Danton and Paine; you have to produce the evidence that he was such.  Also, there's an incomplete sentence in the Reference section which is only fixable by whoever wrote it in the first place.  Lexo 14:29, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Death Controversy
There appears to be a minor controversy over Tone's death. However, a recent wikipedian has reversed an earlier insert about the controversy over Tone's death. That wikipedian and other would be well advised to read P. O'Donnell's referenced articles on the matter, for the light they shed at least plausible doubt. A modern forensic post-mortem would not necessarily have concluded that his death was suicide (Tim Griffin; 23 July 2006);

 * That wikipedian would be myself. Hello there and well met! The abstract of the article (quoted in full below) offers no evidence against suicide; it merely speculates that the refusal of the military authorities to bring in an outside doctor that the wound may have been incompetently dressed, or maybe not self-inflicted. No scientist would conclude anything at all from that refusal. But if the article has more, please: link to a copy of it, or provide a fair-use quote, so it can be evaluated. rewinn 02:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

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The abstract offers no evidence of assasination; it merely speculates as to a coverup of incompetent treatment or an accidental shooting:
 * One wikipedian writes "Evidence points to a probable assassination, as revealed following research in the late 20th century, and published in the Irish Journal of Medical Science in 1997."
 * A contemporary of Tone writes "Mr. Tone, finding that he was to be executed in the same savage manner as his brother had been a few days before, found means to disappoint his enemies, and chose the manner of his death." http://www.rewinn.com/8043.html
 * "Wolfe Tone's death: suicide or assassination?" Ir J Med Sci. 1997 Jan-Mar;166(1):57-9:
 * "According to the generally accepted version of subsequent events he cut his own throat early on the Monday morning. The assistant surgeon of the 5th Dragoon Guards dressed the wound "-but only with a view to prolong life until the fatal hour of one o'clock". This surgeon was Benjamin Lentaigne, a Royalist emigre from France. Despite the pleas of John Philpott Curran, a leading advocate of the day, the military authorities refused to allow any consultation with a civil surgeon. Was this just bloody mindedness or was there an even more sinister reason? Two possibilities come to mind. One was that the wound had been so incompetently treated that a consultant would have been forced to make adverse comments, the other that the throat wound was not due to a cutting injury but, to a bullet fired either deliberately or accidently and a knife or razor was then used to try and camouflage the original trauma. In 1812 Lentaigne published a pamphlet in Latin in which he made reference to an unusual neck would stating that "-the bullet passed through his throat...." There is no direct evidence that the victim was Tone, why did the writer not make this clear? It may be he was reluctant to expose the medico-military inefficiency or callousness or to jeopardise his son's career"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9057437&dopt=Citation
 * What would be the motivation for asassinating a man about to be executed? Tone's desire to avoid a painful death is conceivable; what enemy would seek to deprive him of it?

Suicide would have made him look cowardly and earned him the condemnation of the Irish Catholic population, who would have seen it as a terrible sin. It would have been in the interests of the English government to discredit him thus.

How should this be resolved? Is there a link perhaps to the IJMS article? rewinn 19:23, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

 * If there is any genuine controversy about Tone's death - meaning that if a responsible source has argued that there might have been an assassination attempt - then the fact that there is a controversy should be mentioned. But it's not up to contributors to decide on the matter either way.  I don't mind people arguing about it, but any such argument is not relevant to discussion of this article.  Lexo 14:33, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Basque
List of Basques has this man as "people born or resident in the Basque Country and people born elsewhere with significant Basque ancestry." Is it so? --Error 02:17, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

No. Not to my knowledge anyway. Tone was born in Ireland, his family were of English (I think) origin. He lived in France for several years during the revolutionary period and the United States for a brief time, but never in Spain or the Basque country.
 * Tone's ancestry was ultimately French Huguenot: his great grandfather was French (Francois Tone, of Noyon, France). His eldest son, Hugh, married Sarah Bodine, a daughter of two French Protestants; Daniel Bodein [sic], son of Daniel, native of Cambray; and Marie Crostie, daughter of André Crostie of Valenciennes, in France. No doubt he had a certain amount of English ancestry as well.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.9.194 (talk) 19:54, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Jdorney 14:59, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Picture and infobox
Okay, I know you're going to tell me that the picture and the infobox should go at the top but, believe me, I have tried every possible combination and this is the only one that doesn't look a mess. The text is what matters in an encyclopædia and if the text doesn't flow properly, nobody will read the article! Scolaire 10:58, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Irish translation?
Now I know a lot of people say Wolfe Tone doesn't translate into Irish easily (if at all).....but I'm nearly sure I've seen football jerseys with translations of it....."Ulif" I believe for the Wolfe part. Does anyone know of a translation? What does it say on the sign for Wolfe Tone Quay, or any other street dign for that matter? (Derry Boi 07:53, 21 September 2006 (UTC))

Anyone? Derry Boi 22:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

No idea. The man himself was an English speaker and not that keen on the Irish language.

Jdorney 23:29, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Unless we have Ulif and whatever "Tone" is (ie for "dialling tone" or whatever). Although I've never heard or read of anyone having a translation for it.GiollaUidir 23:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Seen it today tarnslated as "Ulif Toin" on a local GAA bag. Derry Boi 16:08, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Not exactly verificable but... :SGiollaUidir 16:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

 * You can make it up yourself because that's we do here in Kildare. I've seen Bholf and Uolf etc. - the man himself spoke just English. It's like 'Padraig' Pearse who only ever used P.H. or Patrick, or Casement spelled 'Mac Eaismunn'. Ahistorical, I know, but someone near-unemployable has a job doing it so we taxpayers don't make a fuss.Red Hurley 17:28, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Ulif cannot be Irish - it would have to be Uilif, Ulaf or something similar,with the proper vowel harmony. Or it could be translated as Mac Tire. "Ulif Toin" is highly improbable as "Ulif" is ungrammatical and "Toin" is an obscenity in Irish! "Tuin" would be better - similar in sound and meaning to the English word "tone." That would then be Mac Tire Tuin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wmck (talk • contribs)

'Kildare History & Society'
I've added in a ref. for chapter 13 on him - good on his family and neighbours.Wluki 14:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Quotation?
The quotation from his court-martial speech had an odd appearance due to blockquote. It also didn't seem to flow with the rest of the quote left unblockquoted and wasn't in the copy of the speech I have in the appendix to Sampson's work from 1817 (of course, Sampson might have abbreviated the speech, I don't know.) I temporarily deleted the blockquoted part and conformed the remaining quote to the version I have in hand "frank and open war" rather than "fair and open war"; however if someone has a copy of the speech that was given to the court (again, according to Sampson) that would of course be the best possible source. rewinn 04:04, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Removing Blennerville & list of Basques
...unless anyone can name a source etc.Red Hurley 16:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Suugested alteration
"Tone, who had not attended meetings of the society since May 1793, remained in Ireland until after the trial and suicide of Jackson in April 1795. Having friends among the government party, including members of the Beresford family, he was able to make terms with the government, and in return for information as to what had passed between Jackson, Rowan and himself, he was permitted to emigrate to the United States, where he arrived in May 1795."

" Persuaded to leave" would be more accurate.86.42.202.160 (talk) 08:32, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Foundation of Maynooth College in 1795
I've removed "(he was unaware that the government was financing the college)." as it was founded and funded under an act of parliament (35 Geo III, cap. 21 to be exact), which passed in June 1795. Saying he was "unaware" is saying that he didn't read the newspapers and debates leading up to the act. While Tone wanted to unite Irish Catholics and Protestants politically, he was not the first to propose this (as many think), and his French allies were busy dispossessing the Catholic Church wherever possible in Europe.86.42.204.237 (talk) 12:21, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Religion
Would it really be that controversial to mention his faith in this article? Luke w (talk) 21:43, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It's interesting, as most Irish protestants probably saw him as a traitor and a failure. Only in post-1850 Catholic culture would such a heroic suicidal failure be seen as a triumph. Tone is redeemed by his very humane diaries that reveal that conventional church-going was not a big deal for him. French republicans had a "Supreme being" if one had to worship something, but again there is no evidence that he believed even in that.78.17.24.48 (talk) 10:09, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Ancestry Section Suspect!!
The ancestry section looks suspect. It would appear to be a duplication of the "History of the Tone Family", by Dr. Frank Jerome Tone is based in part upon the fraudulent "research" of Gustave Anjou. While the descendants sections is indeed quite sound, the ancestors beyond Hugh Tone (and certainly beyond François Tone) seem quite suspect. It's possible Wolfe Tone's paternal ancestry was of Huguenot origin (as Sarah Bodine's parents were certainly Huguenot refugees, married in London. It would therefore make sense to marry the son of same, in Ireland), but the lineage descending from "Jean Tone of Tartas of province of Gascony, France, 1409" is suspect. The same Frank Jerome Tone is the father of Franchot Tone and indeed a likely relative of Wolfe Tone, but their common origin in Gascony is questionable, as it derives from the work of Gustave Anjou. More research and the opinions of professional genealogists is required. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.9.194 (talk) 05:52, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree that it looks iffy, and regardless is a waste of space. Deleted. Ironholds (talk) 16:01, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I restored the descendants section: it doesn't make the article overly long and is interesting to some people. I restored part of the ancestry (the universally-acknowledged immediate predecessors). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.9.194 (talk) 15:21, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I removed the descendents except for the immediate ones. Per WP:NOTDIR, Wikipedia is not a place for non-notable family genealogies (there are other websites for this).  If these descendents were notable, it might be worth keeping; feel free to make a case.  Magic ♪piano 13:47, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Moved to Theobald
This article was previously under "Wolfe Tone". I have moved it to "Theobald Wolfe Tone". If you search for Wolfe Tone you still arrive at this page and it still notes on the first line that Theobald is now commonly called by his surname. ~ R . T . G  15:57, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Street name
I wouldn't know where to look for a reference but as Wolfe Tone Street/Road etc. is as common a name as Main Street it would be good to say that and even give a statistic. ~ R . T . G  16:00, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Quality
The quality of this article is atrocious, will clean it up. Sheodred (talk) 20:43, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Elopement
''As a student, he eloped with Martha Witherington, daughter of William Witherington of Dublin, and his wife, Catherine Fanning. Martha would go on to change her name to Matilda, on Wolfe Tone's request.''  Catherine was married to William   and  Martha  changed her name to Matilda? NormanGray (talk) 18:52, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Martha's parents were William and Catherine. Read it more slowly and it makes sense.78.17.24.48 (talk) 10:03, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Irish version of name
I place a 'citation needed' after the Irish version of his name that was recently added to the article. At www.ainm.ie, a database of Irish names, I could not find this or any other version of his name in Irish. They did have 23 citations from texts in Irish where he was referred to always as "Wolfe Tone". If there is any tradition of gaelicizing his name, it could be noted here, but so far I don't see any such basis. The authority on Irish names Patrick Woulfe does attest Ó Mactíre, but another source (MacLysaght) says that 'Wolf(e)' (and 'Woulfe') is traditionally 'de Bhulbh' in Irish. SeoMac (talk) 17:53, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It is de Bulbh but this "tradition" is 1900s state-sponsored Irish, not older than that. Nobody ever wrote down his name as De Bulbh in his lifetime.78.16.82.199 (talk) 09:14, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Freemason
was wolf tone a freemason? shouldn't that be mentioned http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/tone_t/tone_t.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.155.189.86 (talk) 09:21, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

 * Going by that link, it would appear that Wolf Tone was not a freemason, so no it shouldn't be mentioned without credible evidence. Mabuska (talk) 10:01, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

 * It seems a lot of 1790s French republicans were freemasons because it was an anti-establishment org. In 1790s Ireland and Britain the masons were a part of the establishment, which Tone was not.78.16.82.199 (talk) 09:21, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Most United Irishmen were freemasons. Tone is one of the rare ones not to be one. The United Irishmen were actually founded on Masonic ideals of equality and liberty. It’s one things the irish French and the American revolutions share. Truthfully there is far more interesting United irish men. William drennan who 1st coined the term the Emerald Isle. William Orr who was the 1st United Irishman to die that’s just naming two. The 1798 revolution was very much from the north down from my research. 80.43.134.22 (talk) 09:54, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

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Legion Noire
The section on Tone's life in exile says the Legion Noire planed to burn down the city of Bristol and commit 'other atrocities'. Frankly as a military strategem this doesn't really make a lot of sense and sounds dubious. I am not familiar with the given source but like I say it sounds iffy. Also if I am being picky burning buildings isn't actually an atrocity not unless you first lock people inside them. 2A02:C7D:86B:4A00:65D2:8E27:8D77:2E17 (talk) 09:13, 18 May 2019 (UTC).

Legacy
The last sentence of the legacy section is editorializing and so in my view it ought to be taken out. 2A02:C7D:86B:4A00:65D2:8E27:8D77:2E17 (talk) 09:34, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

1969 UVF message
I think the below is interesting and worthy of inclusion. @ManfredHugh thinks not. Any other thoughts? Ridiculopathy (talk) 21:51, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

In October 1969, the Bodenstown memorial was bombed and damaged by the Ulster loyalist UVF. On 2 November 1969, the Belfast Newsletter received a type-written statement from the UVF claiming that they had been responsible for the bombing. The statement, dated 1 November and listed as communique No. 292 stated:

 *  "We accept responsibility for the explosion at the grave of the traitor Wolfe Tone at Bodenstown, Sallins, Co. Kildare, Eire. Two active service units were despatched from Northern Ireland to accomplish this minor task. Further installations in Eire will be demolised so long as the puny Eire Army continues to keep its soldiers on the border of our beloved Ulster. Our volunteers have proven and will prove that the spirit of Londonderry, The Diamond and the Somme is still in the hearts and minds of loyal Ulstermen and will continue so. No surrender."

The same group bombed the O'Connell Monument in Dublin a few months later, on 27 December 1969. Ridiculopathy (talk) 21:51, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

 * Hi @ManfredHugh yes I see what you mean now. Maybe it would be more suited to a dedicated UVF page, rather than Tone's. Regards, Ridiculopathy (talk) 19:18, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

I found this interesting, but is it interesting in terms of Wolfe Tone and his legacy? Other than the unremarkable reference to Tone as a traitor, the UVF communique isn't concerned with Tone or 1798. Again it is a matter of proportionality. Surely there are countless other primary-source materials, more germane to the topic of this article, that we might have quoted at length in this article before considering a 1969 statement by the UVF. It is interesting, but in a different context. Here is seems like an inordinate extension of what is already a questionable footnote. What do you think?ManfredHugh (talk)

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Susan Ioannou

Susan Ioannou (born October 4, 1944) is a Canadian poet who lives in Toronto, Ontario.

Biography
Ioannou was born October 4, 1944, to Frank and Margaret Thomas. As a young child, she wrote fiction, but by her teen years, she wrote more poetry than fiction. In 1966 she received her bachelor's degree and a year later, her master's degree from the University of Toronto. While attending the University of Toronto, she received the school's Nora Epstein Foundation award for poetry.

In August 1967 she married Lazaros Ioannou.

Ioannou taught English at Bloor Collegiate Institute, for six years during the 1970s. In 1973, she was the Vice-President of the Ontario Council of Teachers of English.

From 1980 to 1989, she served as Associate Editor of Cross Canada Writers' Quarterly. She also served as editor of Coiffure du Canada (1979-1980), co-editor of Poemata (1988-1989), and poetry editor for Arts Scarborough Newsletter (1980-1985).

Into the 1990s, Ioannou led poetry workshops for the Toronto Board of Education, Ryerson University, and University of Toronto School of Continuing Studies. In 1985, she founded the writers' resource Wordwrights Canada, and in 1988, created its poetry course, which until 2017 ran online as Lessons in Writing the Poem.

Her poetry has inspired music by contemporary composers, Norwegian Gjermund Andreassen and Canadian Leslie Uyeda.

Work
Iannou's writing has appeared in a variety of anthologies including The Canlit Food Book (1987), Celebrating Canadian Women (1989), Kitchen Talk: Contemporary Women's Prose and Poetry (1992), Crossing Boundaries: An International Anthology of Women's Experiences in Sport (1999), and Myth Weavers (2007). Her poems have been published in numerous literary journals, including The Antigonish Review, Descant, The Prairie Journal of Canadian Literature, Prism International, Malahat Review and Room of One's Own.

Ioannou describes her process of writing poetry as "meditative" and that she draws from "details of everyday life." In one interview, Ioannou remarked, "Whenever I write poetry, I am relentlessly dissatisfied. Again and again, I try (and fail) to reach one ideal: In the largest meaning of the word, to be true. I admire any poet who can teach me how to give words a nugget's solid brilliance, how to make lines stretch or snap, how to lift a poem on a shout or a song. I am always searching for the poem that can instruct and amaze me. This search drove my literary study A Magical Clockwork."

In reviewing one of Ioannou's earliest works, Motherpoems, Louise Longo wrote that "Ioannou's work, at its best, has a street-wise toughness, coupled with an eye for detail that is effective. Unfortunately many of her poems are in need of ruthless editing." While Longo praised the emotional range of Ioannou's poems in this volume, she also perceived a judgmental attitude toward women who were not mothers and an assumption that women ultimately find fulfillment in motherhood alone.

Her poetry has been favorably reviewed by Mark Cochrane who describes her collection Clarity between Clouds as a reboot of the "quest for clarity and solidity in a blurry and crumbling posthumanist epoch."

Ioannou's book of poems about minerals and rocks, Looking Through Stone: Poems About the Earth was distributed in Ontario schools as part of a specialist curriculum. Her interest in writing about geology grew when her son was completing his PhD work. Ioannou relates that she spent ten years learning and reading about geology and whenever something interested her, she tried to create a poem based on that idea.

In 1990, Ioannou received the Memorial Award for nonfiction from the Media Club of Canada and, in 1997, the Okanaga Short Story Award, as well as several grants from the Ontario Arts Council.

Of her 2016 poetry collection Looking for Light, reviewer Sharon Berg writes: "She has a grasp of the element of time that stretches beyond her own stand on this earth and her poetry manages both to enlighten and delight us."

Poetry

 * Spare Words (1984). Pierian Press: Brandon, Manitoba, Canada
 * Motherpoems (1985). Wordwrights Canada: Toronto; (2016) eBook; (2017) Kindle Paperback
 * The Crafted Poem: A Step by Step Guide to Writing and Appreciation (1985). Wordwrights Canada. Toronto.
 * Familiar Faces/Private Grief (1986). Wordwrights Canada: Toronto; (2016) eBook, (2017) Kindle Paperback
 * Clarity Between Clouds: Poems of Midlife (1991). Goose Lane Editions: Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada; (2016) eBook.
 * Where the Light Waits (1996). Ekstasis Editions. Victoria, British Columbia, Canada,
 * Read-Aloud Poems (2001); 2011 PDF
 * Coming Home: An Old Love Story (2004). Leaf Press: Lantzville, British Columbia, Canada; (2011) PDF
 * Who Would Be a God? A Debate in Poetry (with Lenny Everson) (2004). Passion among the Cacti Press: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada.
 * Balkan Poems (2005). PDF
 * O Canada (2005). PDF
 * The Merla Poems (2006). Wordwrights Canada: Toronto; (2011) PDF
 * Catalysts & Catastrophes: Feline Poems (2007). PDF
 * Looking Through Stone: Poems about the Earth (2007). Your Scrivener Press: Sudbury, Ontario, Canada; (2010) eBook; (2017) Kindle Paperback
 * Looking for Light (2016). Paperback, 2020 eBook
 * For the Love of Lazaros (2019). Kindle Paperback
 * The Dance Between: Poems About Women (2019). Kindle Paperback; (2020) eBook

Nonfiction/Instructional

 * Ten Ways to Tighten Your Prose: A Systematic Approach to Improvement (1988). Wordwrights Canada: Toronto. revised digital edition, 2004.
 * Writing Reader-Friendly Poems Plus Writing Exercises (1989). Wordwrights Canada: Toronto; (2011) eBook; (2017) Kindle Paperback
 * A Magical Clockwork: The Art of Writing the Poem (2000). Wordwrights Canada: Toronto.
 * Holding True: Essays on Being a Writer (2008); (2010) eBook; (2017) Kindle Paperback

Children's literature

 * Polly's Punctuation Primer (1991). Wordwrights Canada: Toronto. (2004) revised edition.
 * A Real Farm Girl (1998). Illustrated by James Rozak. Hodgepog Books: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada; (2010) eBook
 * The Hidden Valley Mystery (2010) eBook; (2017) Kindle Paperback

Fiction

 * Nine to Ninety: Stories across the generations (2009). 2010 eBook, 2017 Kindle Paperback

Reviewing

 * The Witch of the Inner Wood: Collected Long Poems by M. Travis Lane, The League of Canadian Poets Reviews, 2017
 * Smaller Hours by Kevin Shaw, The Antigonish Review, 2018
 * Practical Anxiety by Heidi Greco, The League of Canadian Poets Reviews, 2018

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User talk:Jtdirl/Archive 7

Hey, Ann. Comment about your message about the Dallas article.

The photos of Dallas I found are widely-circulated pictures—in other words they are found all over the web on many web sites, so it's virtually unclear where the original source of the pictures is. However, if you would like me to state the source of the specific web site I found the photos in alternate text, I'd be glad to do that. The thing I'll say is that if I do that, be aware that the photos are most likely not the property of the web site's author.

I'm having a hard time seeing how the Dallas pictures could be too big. Must be your Mac's problem, HA! Or maybe you use Internet Explorer 1.0 or lower, lol. I myself use Explorer with 1024 x 768 screen resolution, not to mention that I've tested lower screen resolutions to make sure what your saying is false :-) Oh yeah, can't forget to say that having used an eMac identical to yours with both OS 9 and OS X, I didn't notice any drastic differences in the Internet viewing between a Mac and a Windows-based computer. Nothing like viewing something with IE and Netscape.

Anyways, talk to you later. Let me know what you think I should do regarding the images and their ownership. And quit smoking! {shakes finger} It's bad for you! ...heh, but you Europeans live longer than us Americans, so what am I smoking? Pwu2005 05:23 4 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Smart user page-pity you have to work by candlelight! I just dropped by from Tannin's talk page to show solidarity. It's not so much the errors we all make (I got my fingers burned on Finnish Language - background knowledge = I've heard it spoken), but the persistent attempts to impose a particular standard, which too often is the dumber version. Although the capitalisation debate has subsided, thankfully, I was speculating when writing crossbill how much sense sentences like female red crossbills are green like parrot crossbills or in Ireland common crossbills are rare would make.

The irony is that hard-working contributors like you, Tannin and me have come close to walking through the determination to impose uniformity throughout what, after all, is a voluntary activity, which we do for fun (at bit sad in itself, but still...)   jimfbleak 15:40 25 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Well, I'm sorry for contributing to your angst over Droop Quota (though I myself never edited the formula...) - anyway, the current version seems OK to me... everything will usually sort itself out given enough time. :-) Peace, Evercat 16:01 25 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I've eavesdropped on your message to User:Evercat and felt I had to comment. I don't know if I'm one of the google nuts you're referring to, though I have used google as a defense on many occasions. I appreciate your work, and think that Wikipedia really needs dedicated contributors such as you who have the experience, knowledge, and resources to provide Wikipedia with good information; I agree in the strongest possible terms that google is not to be considered an authoritative source, but sometimes it's the only source of information I have that is available at my fingertips. Whenever I see a stub article that needs a bit of fleshing out, a spelling of a name that seems questionable, or an obscure term that needs a definition, google usually is quick to provide an answer. And yes, 99% of what it spits back is nonsense, but a trained eye can usually find the gem of truth among the garbage. I try not to put anything into an article unless I'm fairly certain it's correct, or at the very least, better than what was there before.

I apologize if I have bulldozed over any of your work; I make every effort not to do so, but it is Wikipedia policy to be bold, and I usually am bold if I see something that I think needs fixing. With cooperation, I don't see why conflicts can't be resolved with a productive outcome. I would encourage you to stay here and keep contributing! Of course, maybe some time away is what you need. -- Wapcaplet 18:39 25 Jun 2003 (UTC)

 * Glad to hear I wasn't one of your targets. I understand, and can relate to, your frustration. If you sit back and think about it, it's nothing short of miraculous that anything useful at all comes out of Wikipedia -- hundreds (thousands, even) of people all trying to edit the same articles at the same time, all with different perspectives and agendas, different ideas of structure, organization, presentation, capitalization convention. It's like 1000 chefs trying to bake the world's largest cake. It's a tower of babel! But damned if it hasn't worked. Somehow, it has worked, and the only thing I can come up with is that some magical percentage of the people who contribute here care enough about the project to work together despite their differences of opinion and perspective. The ones who have messed up articles in one way or another probably had the best of intentions -- and I think that the more experienced Wikipedians have some responsibility to take such edits in good grace, and with patience. All edits can be reverted, all mistakes can be fixed. No article can really be ruined -- if it truly gets trashed to the point of no return, it can always be reverted to an earlier good version, and the user who did the trashing (however benign or malevolent it was) politely corrected. The good version will, eventually, prevail. -- Wapcaplet 22:48 25 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind me pointing this out, but you appear to have voted twice in the big "dates and numbers" debate -- for two different options. Was this intentional? Did someone else use your ID to vote? Deb 21:08 25 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Don't leave. I'm one of those arrogant idiots you referred to who was looking forward to working very closely with you. ChuckM 22:11 25 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Hi JT. I gather from various comments that the edit wars have been getting you down. I very much hope that you don't leave permanently as I for one very much value your contributions, and I've learnt a lot more about Irish history than I knew before, even though I'm only a £2 ferry ride and 75c return train fare from central Dublin (retired UK railway staff rates!). Take a break if you need one, but do please come back. Best regards, Arwel 23:36 25 Jun 2003 (UTC)

--- Am I the only one that takes vacations around here? No wonder people burn out and say they are going to leave. JT, I think it is time for you and you partner to take a nice relaxing trip somewhere and have some fun. I take as many trips as I can both with my partner (such as my recent Yellowstone trip) and not with my partner (I'm leaving for another field study to Yosemite National Park tomorrow). So maybe that is why I have never seriously considered leaving for anything more than a day or two. And each trip I take plenty of photos and write plenty of notes that I can update the corresponding Wikipedia articles.

That said I do sympathize with your current frustration but as Toby said all "damage" to any article is eventually fixed. Reverts are easy. But doing them right away doesn't always work - I've found that a few weeks of allowing the other person to cool off makes it possible to make the change you want and most of the time the other person either doesn't really care anymore or doesn't even notice the change. We also need to be tolerant of the different but completely valid conventions that different large dialects of English have. However, we do need to have documentation to back certain "conventions" up (such as the capitalization of mammal common names). So long as it is proven that a certain large dialect of English uses a certain convention then we should respect that (such as the two different date formats). IMO pushing for one and relying on a winner takes all approach for something like date formats alienates those people who use the other format (esp if the option getting the largest single share of votes gets only 30% of the total - that's evil!).

I hope this note finds you well - you and your contributions are much needed here. Our Irish history section was a sad joke before you cam along. :) --mav

You say it's slow right now? It's not slow for me, everything's happening in under 5 seconds. You want me to archive your talk page for you? -- Tim Starling 07:08 26 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Gave up waiting for a response :)

Re: Droop Quota, I'm perfectly happy for nothing that I wrote to appear in the final edit. I have no emotional attachment to this article. :-)

There's one thing I don't understand - your insistence that rounding doesn't happen. I've already asked a question that I think will settle this matter:

Suppose the Droop Quota gives a value of 5000.5 ; Does a candidate need to get 5000 votes, or 5001? This is a simple question, give me a simple answer. :-) Evercat 13:16 26 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Hi JT - just so you know, your bestest friend User:ChuckM left a little love letter for you here (rather abusive it was) - I've reverted it, but thought I'd mention its (temporary) existence. Cheers--Camembert

 * Ah no, he has more than just his ego - he has a narrow range of unimaginative insults as well ;-) --Camembert

Not using IM anymore? --Dante Alighieri 03:08 27 Jun 2003 (UTC) --- Dear Jtdirl: Hi! How are you? By your sig name, I can tell youre a partisan of one of Ireland's various politic parties. Very cool. I was not aware of the Irish ituation until the middle 1980s, when Barry McGuigan, a great boxer by the way and human being, came into scene and I learned more about your country.

Well I wanted to say thank you for the awareness message you sent me. I wanst aware that that person was banned thought I saw some oddities in his page when I wrote him a meesage to thank him for his earlier message on my page.

Well, thank you and God bless you!!

Sincerely yours, Antonio Striperella Martin

 * Why Mr. Cadden, why on Earth would you refer to our new best friend Sue as Joe? Surely you're not implying that Sue is the same person as ChuckM, Triton, Joe Canuck, Jaques Delson, Black Widow, DW, and others, are you? Why, I think it's plainly obvious that the new Mr. Canuck is here as a very valuable contributer and isn't at all a multiple-banned user who has nothing better to do than come here and be an absolute simpleton. --Dante Alighieri 18:09 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)

 * sarcasm doesn't become you, Dante... Martin

Do you know that if a page contains only a redirect, and has no history, the page it redirects to CAN be moved to its location, without deleting it first? Evercat 20:50 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)

You wrote: "Michael is a very competent contributor but he has screwed up a host of pages before by making changes before he checked. I don't edit pages I don't know background facts about. I leave notes on talk pages saying 'why is such and such called this? Why is this this way?' Other editors do the same." I replied by saying that I also do that. Before I replied, you continued thus: "Michael doesn't and his actions have already driven one contributor away and pissed off others." So I asked: "What is your evidence for the claim you make below that I have driven anyone away or angered anyone besides you? Who are those persons? When have I ever wondered why anyone 'goes into a rage' as a result of anything I've done on Wikipedia? I think these are figments of your imaginiation." You never answered, so I am reposting my questions here. Michael Hardy 00:13 28 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I've undeleted 2003 in sports, following a query from Evercat. I will now list it on VfD. Martin 15:40 28 Jun 2003 (UTC)

 * Sorry, I should have mentioned this to you. Are you sure it's strictly legal to delete all record of DW's involvement in the page? I thought the GFDL prohibited this, or something. Anyway I asked Martin about it since I thought he was the expert on these matters... :-) Evercat 15:51 28 Jun 2003 (UTC)

 * Don't take my keen interest in open content as expertise - IANAL. Martin 17:59 28 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Unprotecting page in the interests of soft security. if Michael repeatedly vandalises it, then it might be worth protecting it, but pre-emptive page protection is dubious, and I'd want a discussion on the subject before people start using it. Martin 17:59 28 Jun 2003 (UTC)

We certainly can't retroactively delete stuff if a user is banned. The case of a previously banned user editing under a new name is harder, but I still don't think it's a good policy to delete the history. I mean, what are you going to do if a certain user (who I shall not name) does turn out to be Lir, for example?

Anyway, I was most concerned about the legal aspects of this - deleting the history of authorship is probably dubious. Evercat 23:12 28 Jun 2003 (UTC)

 * (cutting in) If you do want to remove DW's additions to 2003 in sports then you should probably revert to the last edit by Jazz77, rather than delete. Martin 23:28 28 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Although I find legalese difficult to read, the preamble to the GFDL states Secondarily, this License preserves for the author and publisher a way to get credit for their work. So it seems clear the GFDL is intended to maintain a record of authorship... the relevant section is probably 4B... see: Text of the GNU Free Documentation License Evercat 23:36 28 Jun 2003 (UTC)

But as wiki reserves the right of admission to it, it also reserves the right to restrict who can contribute to it. If Jimbo has the right to hardban someone, then they lose the right to claim authorship. In a court of law, either the GFDL literal meaning would be upheld, in which case Jimbo would lose the right to ban anyone, or the GFDL license would be interpreted in the light of the site's rules, in which case DW et al would have no authorship rights, and my understanding is the latter is the correct interpretation. Furthermore, as DW contrary to wiki rules contributed to wiki, everything contributed by him since 30th January was contributed contrary to entitlement, nullifying his supposed authorship rights.

Therefore DW had no right to contribute and so was an invalid author. In which case then his text will simply have to be deleted en masse. I don't want to remove DW's additions but that is what has been done and if it is being done to others then it should be done to him too. What I was trying to do was keep the contents but lose DW. As there is no legal right of ownership to any of the contents by anyone on wiki, he cannot claim a right to have his authorship acknowledged. Perhaps the program should be rewritten to allow for the reference to authorship of hardbanned users to be removed. DW and Michael have both shown a desire to have their work acknowledged, in part in the form of "look what I have been able to get away with while being banned". We need to find a way around this. But if all else fails then all of DW's pages will have to be deleted. FearÉIREANN 23:45 28 Jun 2003 (UTC)

 * Warning, legalese follows, and IANAL (still!)

 * If Jimbo has the right to hardban someone, then they lose the right to claim authorship

 * wrong. My rights to claim authorship of what I write are described by national law and international treaties, and were I ever to be banned from Wikipedia, these rights would be uneffected. If I shot Jimbo repeatedly in the head, I would still retain copyright over what I've written. DW still retains copyright over his contributions, and we can only use those contributions under the terms of the GFDL, or under fair use.

 * You're treating this as if the GFDL, or Wikipedia, grants the author the right to be acknowledged. This is wrong. copyright law grants the author rights - specifically, the right to control distribution of their work. The author then licenses their work to us (and everyone else in the world), and we can either:
 * * use their work in various ways under the terms of the GFDL
 * * not use their work

 * If you've made any edits to Wikipedia under the assumption that the contributor's rights have been nullified in some way, then I strongly suggest that you speedily reverse those changes. Martin 00:10 29 Jun 2003 (UTC)

That is not the legal advice coming from my barrister flatmate or from his girlfriend, who studied copyright law. As DW was hardbanned, he no more retains copyright and authorship rights than does a vandal who spraypainted slogans on the side of a wall. Technically that is what he was, someone who entered wiki and placed unauthorised contributions, having been explicitly been barred from doing so, as Jimbo's hardbanning amounted to a clear and unambiguous withdrawal of any right to contribute in any way. But in case that simply means all of DW's articles will have to be deleted then. FearÉIREANN 13:28 29 Jun 2003 (UTC)

 * Ahh, I misread you slightly - when you said that a banned user loses the right to claim authorship, I thought you were referring to their past (pre-ban) works, but you were referring to their post-ban works. I'd like to read the relevant piece of Canadian or US legislation that removes copyright from works created illegally.

 * If you would like to remove all of DW's contributions, please feel free to do so. Martin 14:34 29 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I think your revert in the page Augusto Pinochet was excesive. By simply reverting you took out most of the biographical information. User:AstroNomer

Deb and I have been having a dispute at Talk:Frederick Lewis, Prince of Wales as to whether he should be called "Frederick Lewis" (or "Frederick Louis") in the article title (as I suggest) or simply "Frederick" (as she does). Thought a third opinion might be useful. john 03:46 2 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Hi back, Irishman.

I also think that the Charles vs Carlos is silly. I made the change only for consistency's sake. Whoever set up the initial List of Portuguese monarchs created all of the monarch pages in English. I know that we use Carlos and Pedro -- but we also use Henry rather than Henriques -- oh - and then there's the antiquated Alphonso instead of Alfonso or Afonso (I think the norm now would be the middle version). Anyway, I thought it made sense to at least start out by keeping things consistent -- even if it's ugly. Which means we have 5 Peters of Portugal ... Boots

Like I said! Boots

The plan is, get all the articles all up to speed (dates, names, etc.). Then, worry about moving to better names (and changing links) -- and deleting the silly English names, maybe? or at least redirecting. But Since all the links are in the "correct" Portuguese format, I think focusing on content first is best. ANd thanks -- know all about the conventions! ;-) Boots

Dude -- getting a bit annoying. I KNOW about the frigging links -- most of them point to the English names, stupid as they are. That's what I meant by consistency. I'm doing this systematically -- you are the one moving things around. Out of ALL the stupid portuguese monarchs, only two had been redirected to portuguese names. All the others are still connected to the not-well-created English-language pages. So I am being consistent and keeping most links intact -- until we can do a systematic changeover. I am not a tyro at this ;-) Oh -- and read your private mail, silly Dublin man!  You are making my tail twitch and my whiskers jumpy Boots

 * The above looks to me like a banned user -- possibly DW.

 * No. It isn't DW. I know the person and he is a genuine bona fide wikipedian. FearÉIREANN

 * The Portuguese names are a bit of a problem, I agree. I was never really very keen on the convention of using the English versions of names, eg. we have Henry IV of France instead of Henri, but we don't have "Lewis" instead of Louis. I'm not sure what the answer is, but it's fairly obvious that the attention-seeking cat is trying to make an issue out of it. Deb 22:00 2 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Cheers for replying to my question of why we revert all banned users edits. On reflection all useful stuff will probably filter back in anyway as people continually refine each article so its not such a big problem. I was kind of surprised to see 2003 in sports set back such a long way in one revert, still its no biggie really. Lisiate 04:58 3 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Check out the new first lady page I made. What do they call President Mcaleese's husband? user:J.J.

Re your tired old accusation that I am DW: I'm going to have to start an article about Wikinoia. The psychological basis seems to be an inability to respond constructively to criticism (for example, by refuting it). Instead people invent bugbears who are persecuting them. Anyway, send me an e-mail (if you're worried about revealing your identity, open a yahoo or Hotmail account) and I'll tell you who I am. I'm not DW, as anyone with any sense for writing style should be able to figure out. Trontonian

I just realized that Yahoo/Hotmail idea won't work (hey, I got a cold). Oh, well. Maybe you can figure out a way to do it. Trontonian

1. I've made it easy for you. If you go to my user page and use the research skills you doubtless have as a historian, you will soon end up at some websites of mine which will show you I have no freaking interest in Merovingian kings.

2. JHK told me that Jacques Delson and DW are assumed to be the same person. One of the things that astounded me about Jacques Delson was that there was another person who also was interested in harness racing, Gilles Archambault, and Anthony Trollope -- an unlikely coincidence, eh? The thing is, Jacques' interests were incredibly wide-ranging, going far beyond those three topics. Might not Jacques Delson and DW in fact be groups of people? That would explain their indefatigability. Trontonian

 * Thanks for the note. Certainly Jacques Delson was always posting graphics which looked like copyrighted material (for example, the famous photograph of Greyhound). I've decided to abandon hypothesis 2 above (I think I was getting a bit Wikinoid myself), but as someone who has not been a victim of DW I find his "achievements" here astonishing. However, as someone with some sympathy left, I now understand your touchiness on the related issues (still, it's not nice to say bad things about Canadians -- they'll laugh at you). Anyway, I trust you now know I'm open and above board and not concealing my identity, and I'll keep my eyes open for further DWisms.

 * Incidentally, I find DW's List of Canadians interesting. His conception of it was doomed to failure (you can't have a restricted list when anyone can edit it), and then he went on at length when it failed. All the best. Trontonian

Sorry -- I didn't mean to imply you were insulting Canadians. Now that I know what's bothering everyone I'm a lot less annoyed at any questionable remarks that were made. I was just happily plugging away making harmless entries about box lacrosse and famous standardbreds when I stumbled into the middle of the furore. Interesting theory about DW. Certainly JD was keen on lists, too. His exchanges with me were very civilized, but then I never deleted anything of his. Trontonian

I've replied to you on my talk page. By the way, I must remember to access your talk page by some means other than going via your user page in future. It never fails to make me queasy whenever I open it... :P -- Oliver P. 00:48 5 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Mmmm... I guess there's a first time for everything. It's always hard to find comments on PP's talk page, so I'll repeat here what I said to him: thanks for the support, but I think most people here are pretty sensible when it comes to metric measurements. -- Tim Starling 01:38 5 Jul 2003 (UTC)

It's a bit different here. Metrication in Australia officially finished in 1983, and I was born in 1981. My parents occasionally talk in feet and inches, but never in miles or pounds or anything. Give it another 20 years and maybe the UK will be the same. I can only hope the US hurries up: I once worked in a lab full of thousands of dollars worth of optical equipment (like a big mechano set of brackets and stands and things), half with imperial screws, half with metric. -- Tim Starling 02:05 5 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Well you've opened my eyes -- it's nice that I get the chance to talk to interesting people like yourself on Wikipedia. It's all very worrying: I'm reminded of the pessimistic postmodernist forecasts I've heard, which describe increasing fragmentation and decay, e.g.. -- Tim Starling 03:15 5 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Hmm, is this leaving of messages on your supporters' pages within the rules of WikiVoting? Not trying to rig the vote, I hope... -- Oliver P. 02:19 5 Jul 2003 (UTC) (A boring old sod, and proud of it!)

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Thank you very much for the comment jt. I am sensible to it. I'll say that RK is *now* *very* civil with me, and I am grateful for that. I think that with 168 help, we will overcome our current disagreement on Gaia theory. When it is done, I expect the talk page to be cleaned up of the bad words. RK has accepted to refactor his comments to remove personal attacks. I hope he will do it. User:anthere

- Just read your last comment on User talk:Oliver Pereira (03:12 5 Jul 2003 UTC), and to butt in: Main Page/Temp2 looks preferable; from what I've heard at least, the trains run on time in Germany - there has to be something said for that! (and I've met a non-conformist German!); polo necks are a creation of the devil. -- Jim Regan 19:42 5 Jul 2003 (UTC)

It seems "Jar Jar Binks" is trademarked -- Jim Regan 20:16 5 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Heh. Checking the history is very important. :-) Evercat 22:22 5 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Hi, mm... you sure have lots of Talk archives! Nice candle beside the computer. 200 more of those, then you needn't the lamp! :-) And the wax that drip into the beer glass jugs make tasty addictives. Could you give a word or two about User:Jiang on Requests for adminship? --Menchi 10:33 6 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Heh, I wasn't having a go at you on User talk:Eloquence, just requesting a feature. The case was the only piece of evidence I had that pages can get deleted accidentally. :-) Evercat 11:49 7 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Actually, I just ran it through a spell checker. When it comes down to it, it doesn't really matter to me, as long as it is spelled correctly in some form of english. MB 21:34 7 Jul 2003 (UTC)

 * Please don't just revert back unless all of the changes I made a so call "british english" changes. I am almost certain that most of those were genuinely spelled wrong.  MB 21:42 7 Jul 2003 (UTC)

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