text:
Talk:oved elilim

RFV discussion: August 2014–January 2015
Another sloppy anti-Jew-topic entry. The -s plural doesn't seem to exist anywhere, and the term itself seems (i) not CFI-attestable and (ii) not English, just a rare transliteration from Hebrew or some such. Equinox ◑ 16:09, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * If I'm not mistaken, it's from a Hebrew phrase meaning "servant/slave of gods". I didn't have time when I saw this earlier to search thoroughly, but I don't remember seeing anything that wasn't referring to it as a term used in Hebrew rather than using it to describe something. While I'm glad that the loaded term heathen was removed, I suspect the phrase might at least sometimes legitimately refer to actual pagans rather than to just any non-Jew. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:03, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * In Hebrew: . @Equinox, I don't find anything particularly anti-Jewish about this. --WikiTiki89 14:35, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

 * RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 04:29, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:oved elilim


text:
Talk:saxacious

RFV discussion: August 2014–January 2015
— Ungoliant (falai) 17:18, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Not in the OED and no hits at OneLook. Also no usage at gutenberg.org. And not even any usages vaguely consistent with this definition on the unfiltered web. It doesn't look good for this one. -- · (talk) 22:44, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. The word can't be found in any dictionary in which I looked; a brief Internet search evinces three pages of results, and no attestation at all. Princeps linguae (talk) 17:37, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Let me point out that, as per our WT:CFI (esp. WT:CFI and WT:CFI), we do not go by dictionaries but rather by actual use. --Dan Polansky (talk) 18:15, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Does anyone have actual attesting quotations as per WT:ATTEST? --Dan Polansky (talk) 18:15, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

 * RFV-failed. The only citation I could find seemed to be an error for sagacious. - -sche (discuss) 04:30, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: Talk:saxacious


text:
Talk:imcite

RFV discussion: August 2014–February 2015
Looks like a protologism. — Ungoliant (falai) 17:44, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * And look at all of the synonyms. They all are red links, and look like SOPs to me. "image with citation" just seems like it means an image with a citation for example. Why not remove at least the ones that we know are SOPs, which I bet are all of them? Rædi Stædi Yæti  {- skriv til mig -} 17:46, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Good idea. — Ungoliant (falai) 17:51, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I think this was simply borrowed from the name of the website "www.imcites.com." That website posts "imcites" and the website's Facebook page gives the same etymology as the Wiktionary page. That's the only attestation that can be found as far as I can see--just the website and its Facebook page. Princeps linguae (talk) 18:29, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

 * RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 21:41, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:imcite


text:
Talk:logos

RFV discussion: August 2014–January 2015
RFV-sense "(philosophy) Among the Sophists, the topics of rational argument." The sense is not present in other dictionaries and I am not sure it was even intended to apply to the English word — I think it may have just been a comment on how the Ancient Greek word was used. The citations turned up by suggest this is the case — in them, the word occurs in italics and/or quotation marks or parentheses, and in phrases that suggest it is being mentioned rather than being used. - -sche (discuss) 04:24, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The sense seems to be a copy from AHD 1b. --Dan Polansky (talk) 21:06, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

 * RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 04:36, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:logos


text:
Talk:antizionist

RFV discussion: August 2014–January 2015
Can't see it with the small Z in Google Books. In general, concerned that PaM is adding a lot of barely- or un-attestable terms relating to a pet topic (anti-Judaism) without checking whether they meet CFI. Equinox ◑ 19:44, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Of the five citations in the entry, four checked out (were valid). This passes RFV, I think, albeit as an adjective rather than a noun. - -sche (discuss) 04:20, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:antizionist


text:
Talk:maribou

RFV discussion: August 2014–January 2015
rfv --kc_kennylau (talk) 05:45, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Pinging original author User:Type56op9. --kc_kennylau (talk) 06:35, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

 * Cited. - -sche (discuss) 04:54, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:maribou


text:
Talk:calientabancas

RFV discussion: August 2014–January 2015
Spanish, apparently means pew-warmer. It was used as the title of an American movie called "The Benchwarmers", but I can't see any decent evidence of use outside. --Type56op9 (talk) 19:11, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It's suspicious that this doesn't even appear on the wiki of the language that it's apparently taken from. I'm not sure why "pew" would be used instead of "bench", and I would say that that much at least is an error. calentar seems to mean "to warm", not calientar, but I could see the use of both. Soap (talk) 23:21, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Cited with the sense bench-warmer. The reason for the i is that calentar is irregular—its stem changes so that the third person singular present is calienta rather than calenta. —Mr. Granger (talk • contribs) 00:28, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
 * RFV-passed, then. - -sche (discuss) 22:06, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:calientabancas


text:
Talk:Crimea

RFV discussion: September 2014–January 2015
RFV of all the "political entities" senses (except "the Crimean Khanate"). All of the citations of I can find that use "Crimea" as the name of a state rather than a region are referring to the Khanate — which, notably, did not always control the entire Crimean peninsula, and did control relatively large areas of territory on the mainland, for which reason I am convinced it merits its own sense-line. Searches I used:, "peace with Crimea", "embassy from Crimea", "embassy to Crimea", "ambassador from Crimea", "ambassador to Crimea", and all of those with the definite article added. The results of searches like "forces from (the) Crimea", "government of (the) Crimea" seem to me to be using (or indistinguishable from) the geographic sense. It may be relevant to compare this entry to "Georgia", where only the really distinct senses "a country in the Caucasus" and "a state in America" are distinguished; the American entity was a colony (not a state) in some eras, but that is unmentioned. Note that a few of the political senses were originally added by me in an attempt to address a POV dispute over whether the peninsula was part of Russia or Ukraine; the subsequent expansion of the list made it clear how untenable an approach it was. - -sche (discuss) 20:08, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

 * RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 19:03, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:Crimea


text:
Talk:rubberband

RFV discussion: August 2014–January 2015
rfv --kc_kennylau (talk) 06:40, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Cited verb:
 * "Rubberband them togerher with a ponytail hanging in the back."
 * "Wrap stacks of slides in dust-free paper or aluminum foil, and rubberband them ...."
 * "I gathered up a bunch of old photographs of camp friends and rubberbanded them back together."

Cited noun: --Dan Polansky (talk) 08:12, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * "Fasten a rubberband around this tiny loop, ..."
 * "One end of the cylinder is covered with several layers of cheesecloth held in place by a rubberband to prevent the ..."
 * "For extra grip you can wrap a rubberband around the wires to lock them in place."
 * finds more

 * RFV-passed. - -sche (discuss) 05:04, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Why couldn't the cites be put in the entry or be properly formatted for such placement? DCDuring TALK 09:52, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Because it's a lot of bother to do that. However, I've put three citations of the noun and three of the verb into the entry. The verb is rarer than I initially thought. - -sche (discuss) 22:04, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:rubberband


text:
Talk:rubber band

RFV discussion: August 2014–January 2015
Rfv-sense: should be hyphenated if used as a verb. --kc_kennylau (talk) 06:39, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Cited: --Dan Polansky (talk) 07:59, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * "There were yellowed pages of base layouts and plans, a duty roster, and a rubber banded package of papers"
 * "The shoe box is filled to the brim with rubber banded stacks ofhundred dollar bills."
 * "He handed her the stack of tickets all rubber banded together, then sat on the corner of her desk to extend two more."
 * "Prompt them to pick up ten sticks, rubber band them together, and quickly move them to the tens office."
 * "If you have great big posters, roll them up, top side out so you can swiftly unroll them down the wall, and rubber band them individually."
 * "Paper clip or rubber band them together."
 * - many are hyphenated, but some are not.
 * Please put them in the entry. DCDuring TALK 11:49, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

 * RFV-passed. - -sche (discuss) 05:03, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:rubber band


text:
Talk:Zio-

RFV discussion: September 2014–January 2015
...and zio. I found no hits for the previous usex, "Zio-centric". The only hit I could find was of "Zio-Nazi", which I changed the usex to. I have found a few hits for "Zionocentric" and "Ziono-centric", and one hit for "Ziono-socialites". - -sche (discuss) 06:26, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
 * It's no coincidence that the only example is attached to a word that starts with an "N". That's obviously a blend of Zion and Nazi, which was misanalysed as Zio- plus Nazi. Yet another case of trying too hard to extract every conceivable vaguely-plausible term out of minimal data. Chuck Entz (talk) 07:15, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

 * PaM's edit history shows a mania for adding Jewish/Islamic terms that are very barely, or not at all, attestable. I have speedily deleted the stand-alone Zio since it's patently ridiculous ("more Zio, most Zio"?). However, I can see "Zio-centric" in two (!) Google Books search results. Equinox ◑ 07:20, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

I commented before with regard to Erik (the Srebrenica-obsessed editor) that I feel editors should be judged on local behavior, and not e.g. blocked on one project just because they misbehaved on other projects. But if users engage in poor editing locally, it can be instructive to note that they've engaged in and been disciplined for poor editing elsewhere. On Wikipedia, PAM's caricaturally liberal POV-pushing has been brought up on w:WP:ANI repeatedly (1, [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=589046414&oldid=589042579 2]; see also the many threads about edit warring, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5), and the user is currently blocked for using sockpuppets to avoid a topic ban on editing religious topics, which was imposed because of that POV-pushing. What is the cost vs benefit of PAM's edits here? They have to be checked for attestation (many aren't attested), placement (PAM often makes lowercase/unhyphenated forms the main entries when the uppercase/hyphenated forms are apparently more common or more standard), formatting, POV...(Should I move this to the BP?) - -sche (discuss) 21:42, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

 * I don’t think PaM’s contributions here are so bad that we need to block him, but it’s reaching a point where we should require him to add three citations (and links to the citations, since he doesn’t check for scannos) to every entry he creates. — Ungoliant (falai) 21:59, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
 * @Ungoliant: How would you enforce this "requirement"? And what would do it for you? How much of this absolute incompetence are you willing to tolerate? — Keφr 13:48, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * By deleting and reverting every edit that doesn’t contain cites. Some of PAM’s contributions were good, but he has gotten much worse since I posted that. — Ungoliant (falai) 21:36, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

 * RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 19:05, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:Zio-


text: panangan

title: panangan


text: MLSE

title: MLSE


text:
Talk:cantopera

RFV discussion: September 2014–January 2015
Cantonese opera. — Ungoliant (falai) 09:52, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * From a Google search, it looks like it's a word that Hong Kong tourism board used for one event, but that never caught on anywhere else. Smurrayinchester (talk) 14:53, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I was about to say it does get some web hits but nothing in Google Books. No Google Groups hits (the 15 hits are all for 'can't opera'). Renard Migrant (talk) 15:07, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

 * RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 05:10, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:cantopera


text:
Talk:Chak Haryam

RFV discussion: September 2014–February 2015
— Ungoliant (falai) 21:36, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * It looks like our POV-pushing Pakistani expat (the one who created entries and categories for all the divisions of Pakistan) is back under a different IP. Chuck Entz (talk) 01:20, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

 * RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 21:59, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:Chak Haryam


text:
Talk:bewield

RFV discussion: September 2014–January 2015
No Google Books matches for "to bewield". I tried the -ing and -ed forms, but only found scannos for "be wielding", "be wielded". Equinox ◑ 08:40, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I found one on Books, plus 2 online which apparently show some use. It is labelled rare, and aptly so...it was not easy finding. Thing is, its listed in several dictionaries, so its likeky to keep popping up here and there. I cant seem to locate the Morrison attest anywhere on Books, though its purported...Leasnam (talk) 17:34, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The two 2014 quotations are not from permanently recorded media and thus fail WT:ATTEST:, . --Dan Polansky (talk) 08:35, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Added three more. Leasnam (talk) 17:59, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

 * The first sense passes RFV, the second sense fails. - -sche (discuss) 05:09, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Note that the remaining sense now has only two citations, because I just removed two that were obviously errors for "bewildering". Therefore we need a third real cite to keep this. Equinox ◑ 20:03, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I've added 2 Leasnam (talk) 21:18, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

title: Talk:bewield


text:
Talk:bonelore

RFV discussion: September 2014–January 2015
bonelore is not cited. Please provide attesting quotations, or this will be deleted. --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:44, 5 December 2014 (UTC) Failed. — Keφr 12:10, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

dragonlore

 * Cited, but I had to change the definition (lore isn't scientific study). Equinox ◑ 18:15, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

 * RFV passed; quotations at dragonlore. --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:30, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

whalelore
Actually RFV-sense: "The branch of zoology dealing with cetaceans, including dolphins and porpoises as well" as per.

Not enough quotations now that I removed those for the forms "whale-lore" and "whale lore". Please provide quotations for the form "whalelore" so spelled, without hyphen and without space, to attest that sense. --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:40, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I would even read the remaining citation (somewhat mention-y anyway) as supporting the more specific sense. Copied here for posterity:
 * 2008, The Oxford Dictionary of Literary Terms:
 * [...] and a novel may be said to have a documentary element on the same basis, as with the cetology (whalelore) exhibited in many chapters of Herman Melville's MobyDick (1851).
 * Either way, failed. — Keφr 18:34, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

deathlore

 * Cited. —Mr. Granger (talk • contribs) 18:06, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * RFV passed; quotations at deathlore. --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:31, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

lakelore
Cited: some quotations are at lakelore. Are they good? --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:42, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

They look fine to me, if somewhat old. May be tagged rare or archaic, but passed. — Keφr 12:10, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

horselore
Please note that horselore and lakelore appear to be cited already, whalelore has citations but they are mostly for whale lore. Renard Migrant (talk) 17:19, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * RFV passed: quotations are at horselore. --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:43, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

winelore
Another one that seems to be already cited. Please untag if you're happy. Renard Migrant (talk) 18:38, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * RFV passed: quotations are at winelore. --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:34, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

title: Talk:bonelore


text:
Talk:dragonlore

RFV discussion: September 2014–January 2015

 * See Talk:bonelore.

title: Talk:dragonlore


text:
Talk:deathlore

RFV discussion: September 2014–January 2015

 * See Talk:bonelore.

title: Talk:deathlore


text:
Talk:lakelore

RFV discussion: September 2014–January 2015

 * See Talk:bonelore.

title: Talk:lakelore


text:
Talk:horselore

RFV discussion: September 2014–January 2015

 * See Talk:bonelore.

title: Talk:horselore


text:
Talk:whalelore

RFV discussion: September 2014–January 2015

 * See Talk:bonelore.

title: Talk:whalelore


text:
Talk:winelore

RFV discussion: September 2014–January 2015

 * See Talk:bonelore.

title: Talk:winelore


text: leungeun

title: leungeun


text:
Talk:ağgan

RFV discussion: September 2014–February 2015
This word is a lie of a group. --123snake45 (talk) 08:07, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
 * If a liar calls somebody "liar", how can we know if that liar is telling a lie again?
 * Arkadaş! benim açtığım sayfama kaldırtma girişiminde bulunmanı kınıyorum. Benim yapmaya çalıştığım Türkçemizi yabancı sözcüklerden korumak için karşılık türetip millete benimsetmekti. Senin uydurma söz dediğin benim söylediğim söz için karşılık türetmesiydi. Lütfen böyle çirkin kaldırma girişiminde bulunma.

 * 123snake45 (mesaj) 16:16, 22 Aralık 2012 (UTC) Can you translate this into English without telling a lie here? --78.175.88.17 05:38, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

 * No citations → RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 22:05, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:ağgan


text:
Talk:fowllore

RFV discussion: September 2014–February 2015
Equinox ◑ 04:21, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

 * I could only find one citation: Citations:fowllore. RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 22:08, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

 * Striking. Equinox ◑ 23:15, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:fowllore


text:
Talk:chale

RFV discussion: September 2014–January 2015
A supposed Latin adjective. Can't find it in Late Latin glossary or Lewis and Short online. DCDuring TALK 20:59, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

 * I can't find anything either, on the web or in Google Books. There's a city mentioned in the Bible (eg. Gen 10:12 Resen quoque inter Nineven et Chale haec est civitas magna...), but the next nearest thing I can think of is χαλή, a form of n. χάλις ("neat wine")or v. χαλάω ("to loosen"). Neither of which would seem to have anything to do with the provided definition of chale. (Unless the effects of chális are meant...) --Catsidhe (verba, facta) 22:10, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

 * This was originally a transwiki, but the Latin was added by User:Goldenrowley in this, using the same reference as the Spanish ([ which no longer works). The definition is rather odd, since it starts out with adjectives, but then has a couple of seemingly unrelated verbs. Checking further, the Internet Archive Wayback Machine has no record of the URL in question, even though there are plenty of neighboring definition URLs from that era. If this had been added today, rather than 7 years ago, I would have speedied it. [[User:Chuck Entz|Chuck Entz]] (talk) 03:52, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

 * Indeed, just delete it. It even claims to be an adjective meaning for crying out loud. Renard Migrant (talk) 16:39, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I thought there might be some charitable revision that made sense to a better Latin scholar than me. DCDuring TALK 17:07, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

 * I thought that definition was just very badly written, and meant "to be or feel passionate or inflamed". --Catsidhe (verba, facta) 20:32, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

RFV failed. This, that and the other (talk) 03:32, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:chale


text: jangjang

title: jangjang


text:
Talk:æotana

RFV discussion: September 2014–February 2015
This appears in exactly one source, as a mention. It's said to be from Ancient Greek, but I can't find anything at Perseus under any plausible spelling. For all I know, this could be an error or a hoax. At any rate, it definitely looks like a dictionary-only entry. Chuck Entz (talk) 00:35, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I think this instrument belongs to the zzxjoanw family. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 10:02, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

 * RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 05:49, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

 * Striking. Equinox ◑ 23:16, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:æotana


text:
Talk:ildiostróife

RFV discussion: September 2014–February 2015
Alleged to be the Irish word for, whatever that might be. There's (Irish ) and  (Irish ), but I've never heard of "multiple dystrophy" and neither has Wikipedia. I can't find in any Irish dictionaries, and all I find on Google is mirrors of this entry. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 11:28, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

 * RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 22:10, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:ildiostróife


text:
Talk:in infinite

RFV discussion: October 2014–February 2015
English: "Alternative form of ad infinitum"

Not in OneLook references. Hard to search for. DCDuring TALK 12:41, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

 * No useful Google Books hits for "so on in infinite" nor "continues in infinite". Smurrayinchester (talk) 10:16, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

 * RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 05:52, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

 * Striking. Equinox ◑ 23:17, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:in infinite


text:
Talk:Orinoco

RFV discussion: October 2014–January 2015
Rfv-sense: adjective. Seems to be a misrepresentation of attributive use of the proper noun. — Ungoliant (falai) 12:36, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Nothing for "more Orinoco", nothing for "most Orinoco", nothing for "very Orinoco" when you exclude the phrase "that very Orinoco", nothing for "slightly Orinoco", nothing useful for "is Orinoco", "was Orinoco" or "were Orinoco"... I'm going to go with the Flow and say delete away, delete away, delete away... Smurrayinchester (talk) 13:56, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Do we really need a whole RFV for this? Cant the fact that Orinocan exists prove that this was just a misclick or other type of mistake, and that they meant "Orinocan" ?Soap (talk) 13:48, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * 'Do we really need a whole RFV for this?' Yes. Orinico is often used attributively, eg, and, where Orinocan is not used. But Orinoco probably does not otherwise behave as an adjective (See English adjectives. The RfV is intended to make sure that "probably" is something we can rely on.
 * 'Cant the fact that Orinocan exists prove that this was just a misclick or other type of mistake, and that they meant "Orinocan"' ? Definitely not. It is not that kind of trivial error. First, Orininocan is not a substitute for Orinoco. Second, it is a matter of maintaining consistency in our presentation of English nouns. Virtually ALL (or just all? Are there any that cannot?) English nouns can be used attributively in virtually ALL of their senses. It would be silly and wasteful to have adjective sections to cover attributive use of all English nouns when almost no information is thereby added. DCDuring TALK 14:13, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 06:24, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:Orinoco


text: patuangan

title: patuangan


text:
Talk:practopoiesis

RFV discussion: November 2014–February 2015
I suspect that this is a protologism. A recent editor claims that he coined the word earlier this year. —Stephen (Talk) 12:26, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * As you suspect, IMO. This doesn't seem to rise to the level of "hot word", but I wouldn't be surprised if it were attestable in a year or so. DCDuring TALK 13:23, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Another problem is the definition. "Creation of actions" does not seem to mean anything more than "doing" or "implementing". Unless it has more meaning, I don’t see it being used by anyone else. —Stephen (Talk) 13:49, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I've only noticed cases like this of somewhat lame academic efforts to promote a word/concept. There must be similar cases that are not quite as lame.
 * But scholarly publishing is even worse than Usenet in terms of potential and incentive to engage in activity that, in effect if not in intent, games our attestation criteria. A secure researcher with graduate students or subordinates (in non-academic environment) or a 'school' of followers (former graduate students) can more or less compel the juniors to publish using the word/concept. Our 'independence' criteria are not usually interpreted in such a way as to catch such cases. DCDuring TALK 17:20, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Even so, it's a crap definition. SemperBlotto (talk) 22:13, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

I have added citations and a more detailed definition (Danko Nikolic).

 * I've gone ahead and deleted this, since the entry was created by the inventor of the word (he should use WT:LOP), and his citations are inadequate, including a Weblog; they must meet WT:CFI. Equinox ◑ 18:35, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

 * Striking. Equinox ◑ 23:19, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Later
I have now updated the citations with five references (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Citations:practopoiesis), none of which refers to a Weblog. All but one reference are to a peer-reviewed publication. Perhaps now the entry can pass RfV. At least, I hope so.(Dankonikolic (talk) 11:51, 21 July 2015 (UTC))

 * Um, you realise one of them is German. You're trying to support an English word here. Equinox ◑ 09:12, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:practopoiesis


text:
Talk:asbestos

RFV discussion: November 2014–February 2015
Rfv-sense: Adjective. "Of, or relating to asbestos."

Is this ever a true adjective? DCDuring TALK 18:25, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I doubt it. 86.179.115.46 03:01, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

 * Adjective section RFV-failed. I have incorporated the translations it had into the noun's translations table, using one of the formats we discussed a while ago, namely sticking them after the other translations with s. (another format we discussed was the inclusion of a separate "attributive" translations table.) - -sche (discuss) 06:41, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

 * Striking. Equinox ◑ 23:18, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:asbestos


text:
Talk:tovarishch

RFV discussion: December 2014–January 2015
Is this attested in use in the middle of an English sentence as an English word, ideally without italics? --Dan Polansky (talk) 07:01, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

 * I've added four quotations, for a total of five. —Mr. Granger (talk • contribs) 14:47, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

 * This passes RFV, it seems. - -sche (discuss) 06:44, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:tovarishch


text:
Talk:protoss

RFV discussion: November 2014–February 2015
Added recently by an anon. I'm only aware of this term as Races_of_StarCraft. I did a quick search of and didn't see anything much that matched the entry here. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 08:49, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 06:43, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

 * Striking. Equinox ◑ 23:19, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:protoss


text:
Talk:double radio-sources associated galactic nuclei

RFV discussion: January 2015
Zero hits on Google. Renard Migrant (talk) 12:22, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Totally wrong - deleted. SemperBlotto (talk) 13:31, 14 January 2015 (UTC)


text:
Talk:grexit

RFV discussion: January 2015
Does it really meet the CFI?

Is it really uncountable? (Could I say, "I'm expecting a great deal of grexit this year"?)

—Ruakh TALK 02:25, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It’s citable as . — Ungoliant (falai) 02:53, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

 * I've added four citations for "Grexit". It's surely not uncountable, but rather a proper noun that is sometimes preceded by "the". —Mr. Granger (talk • contribs) 03:02, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:grexit


text: peujit

title: peujit


text: tengek

title: tengek


text:
pungkur

Noun

 * 1) backside; buttocks

title: pungkur


text: Category:nrf:England

title: Category:nrf:England


text: pinarep

title: pinarep


text: Category:nrf:United Kingdom

title: Category:nrf:United Kingdom


text: jajantung

title: jajantung


text:
yar-

Etymology
From Proto-Fula-Serer *yɛr, whence also 🇨🇬.

Root

 * 1) related to drinking, inhaling

Derived terms

 * Verbs
 * (Pular)
 * (Pulaar)
 * (Maasina)

title: yar-


text:
škra

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) spark particle of glowing matter; burst of electrical discharge

title: škra


text:
pintaremontoida

Verb

 * 1) to reface to replace the face or surface of something; to create a new outer layer

title: pintaremontoida


text:
jehła

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) needle

title: jehła


text:
pintaremontti

Noun

 * 1) facelift activity undertaken to renew, revamp, update, or improve the appearance of something

title: pintaremontti


text:
bench hook

Noun

 * 1) A device used on a woodworking bench to hold a workpiece in place

title: bench hook


text: bench hooks

title: bench hooks


text: αιγίδας

title: αιγίδας


text: αιγίδων

title: αιγίδων


text: αιγίδες

title: αιγίδες


text:
třěła

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) arrow

title: třěła


text: Αιγύπτιας

title: Αιγύπτιας


text: Αιγύπτιων

title: Αιγύπτιων


text: Αιγύπτιες

title: Αιγύπτιες


text: αιγυπτιολόγου

title: αιγυπτιολόγου


text: αιγυπτιολόγο

title: αιγυπτιολόγο


text: αιγυπτιολόγε

title: αιγυπτιολόγε


text: αιγυπτιολόγοι

title: αιγυπτιολόγοι


text: αιγυπτιολόγων

title: αιγυπτιολόγων


text: αιγυπτιολόγους

title: αιγυπτιολόγους


text: Αιγυπτιακών

title: Αιγυπτιακών


text: Category:nrf:Australia

title: Category:nrf:Australia


text:
αιώνια

Adverb

 * 1) eternally, forever, everlastingly

title: αιώνια


text: leueut

title: leueut


text:
LRT

Usage notes

 * generally used to preface a tweet to indicate reference to the user's most recent retweet.

Coordinate terms

 * mass rapid transit, mass rail transit, metro rail transit

Related terms

 * light rail

Translations

 * French: TLR

Etymology
of

Proper noun

 * 1)   integrated mass trajectory (of rails), or   integrated rail trajectory; light rail transit;

title: LRT


text:
tuang

Verb

 * 1) to stop raining
 * 2) to halt, to stop

Verb

 * 1) to pour

Verb

 * 1) to eat
 * For synonyms, see dahar

title: tuang


text:
Module talk:cmn-common

RFM discussion: April 2013–February 2015
I suggested moving this on the talk page, and User:Wyang threatened to stop editing if we moved this. I don't think such a threat is really appropriate, so I am bringing it up here. My reasoning is that we don't treat zh as a language, and this module contains things that are specific to Mandarin that are not used for other Chinese languages. Therefore, I think that this should be split into a Mandarin-specific module (which would contain Pinyin transliteration) and a module for general handling of Han script (which would work for all languages that use it, presumably Japanese too). 12:43, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

 * I am not aware of all the background, but it seems to me that separating language- and script-specific processing functions is a different thing from how we organize our Chinese-language entries (which I see Wyang is concerned about). Anyway, Wyang should come up with any justification at all if he expects us to take his argument seriously. —Michael Z. 2013-04-20 17:30 z

 * I feel like Wyang is holding us hostage... I don't care where we put it, so I guess oppose if that's what it takes. Not a proud oppose, mind you, but a coerced oppose. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 02:48, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

 * What's in the name? It seems User:Wyang is too sensitive about the issue. Well, the Chinese Wikipedia and Wiktionary uses "zh", even if they are in standard Mandarin. For many Chinese Mandarin = "Standard Chinese". User:Wyang is a smart editor, with great linguistic and coding skills, very productive and responsive too. I don't know. I second Metaknowledge, oppose as well but it's not very good to hold us hostage. It's much better to try and explain your position. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 23:34, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

 * S  Wyang seems to have left en.Wiktionary, without actually saying why he opposes the split. Was he opposed to the existence of the language code cmn, or its use, or the idea of a Mandarin language? —Michael Z. 2013-04-24 16:05 z
 * Judging from his user page, it seems that he felt that all Sinitic languages were one language, and treated the way we split them as a personal attack on him for some reason. 16:26, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

 * I'm bringing this back up. The code "zh" is still deprecated, so this should still be renamed for consistency. 01:02, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

 * @User:Atitarev Everyone knows what I think and knows what I think is unconstitutional. What else am I supposed to say here? That this treatment is a stupid, stupid policy that the unfamiliar are desperately clinging onto? It's not a personal attack on me; it is just stupidity of the power-holding unfamiliar majority. Wyang (talk) 03:50, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
 * In general, I agree with Wyang that the Chinese dialects should not have been split, but, it is a policy that was voted on (I can't even seem to find the archive of that discussion). But regardless of whether you agree, you need to follow policies, otherwise Wiktionary would not work. --WikiTiki89 04:01, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

 * Don't kill the messenger of the bad news :). I only advised you about the update. You yourself are inconsistent, you seem to dislike separation of Chinese dialects/topolects/languages/whatever but you're upset that your own dialect is not represented. FYI, I myself hold the view that Chinese entries can potentially be unified, especially considering that formal written Chinese is 99% the same across all existing dialects, especially on the single word level and all dialectal words (very minimal in quantity) can be addressed under "Chinese". I follow the vote, though, which makes sense, if you study it in a cool manner. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 04:00, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

 * I am upset that covering the pronunciations in Shanghai or Guangzhou for example (making other dialects represented) would incur reduplications of essentially all content under the language heading. This is why I dislike separation. They are not contradictory. Wyang (talk) 04:06, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

 * Actually, there was probably no official vote, just lengthy discussion, e.g. here: Beer_parlour_archive/2009/May and made a policy. Like I said before, you can still set up a vote (or a revote, if there was a vote) and change this, only if you act coolly (without throwing tantrums :) . There are pros and cons - essentially the same writing and a huge number of cognates on the words that ARE different and the fact that remote topolects ARE mutually incomprehensible (the actual sounds). Since Wiktionary represents a WRITTEN language, it is possible to unify all Chinese topolects and show regional differences in pronunciation and usage. The same way Serbo-Croatian was done but that's a long battle. If you're not ready, please stick to the standard, as I said, there are pros and cons and people are aware of both similarities and differences. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 04:16, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The main point for unifying Serbo-Croatian was also reduplication of contents but all Serbo-Croatian forms are also mutually comprehensible, which made it easier but still there was a lot of resistance from nationalists (still is). I don't know if it's possible to sufficiently represent major Chinese forms under one header. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 04:21, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Chinese dialects are also mutually comprehensible in written form, and this dictionary is written not spoken. We can of course include pronunciations and audio files from different dialects just like we do with other languages. --WikiTiki89 05:17, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
 * If this a reply to me then this is what I also said. My last comment was about ability to cover large portions of dialects (can we, should we?), if they are necessary, so that Min Nan, Cantonese, Wu, etc. speakers can't complain that their topolect is not presented (pronunciation or variations in meaning or usage). --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 05:23, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
 * What I meant was that you said that Serbo-Croatian dialects were merged because they are mutually comprehensible, so I just pointed out that that applies to Chinese as well in written form. As for properly representing dialects of Chinese, merging won't affect that. If they are properly represented, they will continue to be. If they aren't then, they still won't be. The advantage will just be that there will be less duplication. --WikiTiki89 14:50, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

When I try to read any of our entries like I would an actual dictionary and I see a ton of different headers of varying shapes and sizes, my mind turns off to the content and I start believing what I'm reading is actually Wikipedia. Wyang's proposed version (see the entry for 斗) is much 'cleaner' and easier to read than the mess we have now, where each dialect wants representation and the majority of them have to be duplicated from the 'translingual' definition at the top. I hardly think there is going to be much, if any, information lost were we to collapse them under one header. And Anatoli brings up a good point: while the pronunciations may be different, the characters are so standardized that in written form they are mutually intelligible. While it is true we are different from other dictionaries, there are already several things inherent to Wiktionary that we should work with, like the fact we are online (not everybody has an internet connection) and that most of our content is written, not spoken (and the rest is on Commons). What do I expect when I read something like from jisho? Easy access to graphical etymology, radical, stroke count, derived shapes, and the different pronunciations for each region for the same character. And then there's our current entry on 斗. Why does Middle Chinese get a ton of headers in its own section when all it has is a one word pronunciation section?

The layout that Wyang chose: is quite fine, compact, and gets the information across easily. It has its own deficits, not everything is perfect the first time, but it's a much needed improvement over the current system.
 * Chinese:
 * Cantonese: 安全
 * Classical Chinese: 安全
 * Gan: 安全
 * Hakka: 安全
 * Huizhou: 安全
 * Jinyu: 安全
 * Mandarin: 安全
 * Middle Chinese: 安全
 * Min Bei: 安全
 * Min Dong: 安全
 * Min Nan: 安全
 * Min Zhong: 安全
 * Old Chinese: 安全
 * Pu Xian: 安全
 * Xiang: 安全
 * Wu: 安全

And if anyone's worried the "Chinese" header is too prominent we can always suggest alternative versions, but we need something better than what we have now. My tentative modification to his layout: (I noticed the layout for 斗 lacked readings + transliterations/translations for the other Sinitic languages, but we can fix that later, and besides those languages have their own headers anyway.) TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 07:08, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Translingual (character, radical, stroke count, metadata)
 * Graphical etymology, etymology
 * Pronunciation table:
 * Cantonese: (pronunciation)
 * Classical Chinese: (pronunciation)
 * Gan: (pronunciation)
 * Hakka: (pronunciation)
 * Huizhou: (pronunciation)
 * Jinyu: (pronunciation)
 * Mandarin: (pronunciation)
 * Middle Chinese: (pronunciation)
 * Min Bei: (pronunciation)
 * Min Dong: (pronunciation)
 * Min Nan: (pronunciation)
 * Min Zhong: (pronunciation)
 * Old Chinese: (pronunciation)
 * Pu Xian: (pronunciation)
 * Xiang: (pronunciation)
 * Wu: (pronunciation)
 * Definition table:
 * 1) definition
 * 2) * quotation (dialect)
 * Usage notes:
 * References:

 * Thanks, this version of 斗 also includes pronunciations and transcriptions (Pinyin, Jyutping, POJ), and how various readings developed from the variant Old Chinese pronunciations (on the right). The senses are shared by the Chinese varieties. Wyang (talk) 08:11, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

 * So many things have changed since this nomination was made (e.g. the revival of the code zh, centralization of Chinese, etc) that I am closing it. If something still needs to be changed, please comment. - -sche (discuss) 06:03, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

title: Module talk:cmn-common


text:
αιώνιος

Adjective

 * 1) eternal, everlasting, perpetual
 * 2)  hard-wearing

title: αιώνιος


text:
gogot

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  penis

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  penis

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1) to bite

title: gogot


text: seuseup

title: seuseup


text:
Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/rōdīniz

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) an act of speaking, talking about

title: Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/rōdīniz


text:
hard-wearing

Adjective

 * 1) Able to withstand a significant amount of usage without physical deterioration; durable.

Translations

 * Bulgarian:, износоустойчив
 * Chinese:
 * Cantonese: 襟著, 襟磨
 * Mandarin: 經穿的, 耐磨的, 耐磨耐穿的
 * Greek:
 * Irish: buanfasach
 * Norwegian:
 * Bokmål: slitesterk
 * Nynorsk: slitesterk
 * Swedish:

title: hard-wearing


text:
luga

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) play dramatic composition or a performance thereof

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1) to be right

Noun

 * 1)  smelly pus secretion in the ear

title: luga


text:
ανθεκτικός

Adjective

 * 1) hard, tough
 * 2) durable, hard-wearing

title: ανθεκτικός


text:
tiup

Etymology
From, from , from.

Verb

 * 1) to blow

Etymology
From, from. Cognate with 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1) to.
 * 2) to make a sound with a sound instrument by blowing into it.
 * 1) to make a sound with a sound instrument by blowing into it.
 * 1) to make a sound with a sound instrument by blowing into it.

title: tiup


text:
Talk:parar

RFM discussion: August 2014–January 2015
The sense with pararlas as a headword should be at um,. Am I missing something here? Renard Migrant (talk) 11:03, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Support. — Ungoliant (falai) 00:05, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Moved. - -sche (discuss) 02:25, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:parar


text: ambekan

title: ambekan


text: gumujeng

title: gumujeng


text: αιώνιου

title: αιώνιου


text: αιώνιο

title: αιώνιο


text: αιώνιε

title: αιώνιε


text:
tingali

Adverb

 * 1) perhaps, maybe

title: tingali


text: αιωνία

title: αιωνία


text:
ᮅᮔᮤᮍ

Verb

 * 1) to know

title: ᮅᮔᮤᮍ


text: αιώνιας

title: αιώνιας


text: αιώνιων

title: αιώνιων


text: αιώνιες

title: αιώνιες


text: αιώνιοι

title: αιώνιοι


text: αιώνιους

title: αιώνιους


text: ngamanah

title: ngamanah


text:
αιωνιότητα

Etymology
From, equivalent to.

Noun

 * 1) eternity

title: αιωνιότητα


text:
ambung

Etymology 1
.

Root

 * 1) rise

Etymology 2
.

Etymology 3
From or.

Verb

 * 1)  to.

Noun

 * 1) afternoon

title: ambung


text:
αιωνόβιος

Adjective

 * 1) perpetual
 * 2) long-lived

title: αιωνόβιος


text: αιδεσιμότατου

title: αιδεσιμότατου


text: αιδεσιμοτάτου

title: αιδεσιμοτάτου


text: αιδεσιμότατο

title: αιδεσιμότατο


text: αιδεσιμότατε

title: αιδεσιμότατε


text: αιδεσιμότατοι

title: αιδεσιμότατοι


text: αιδεσιμότατων

title: αιδεσιμότατων


text: αιδεσιμοτάτων

title: αιδεσιμοτάτων


text: sebér

title: sebér


text: αιδεσιμότατους

title: αιδεσιμότατους


text: αιδεσιμοτάτους

title: αιδεσιμοτάτους


text: αιδημοσύνης

title: αιδημοσύνης


text: αιδούς

title: αιδούς


text: αιδώ

title: αιδώ


text: αιθάλης

title: αιθάλης


text: kulem

title: kulem


text: jumeneng

title: jumeneng


text:
pupus

Etymology
From, from ,.

Adjective

 * , no longer in existence; having died out.

Etymology
From the root  (whence also ).

Noun

 * 1) a boy, a child
 * 2) a puppet
 * 3) the pupil of the eye (post-class. for  and )

Etymology
From,.

Verb

 * 1) to die

title: pupus


text: dangu

title: dangu


text:
טיפוס

Noun

 * 1) climbing

Etymology 2
Ultimately from, from ,. Cognates include 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) type, personality
 * 2) model

title: טיפוס


text:
ត្រីបំពង

Etymology
🇰🇲

Noun

 * 1) trey bampong, a fried fish dish in Cambodian cuisine

title: ត្រីបំពង


text:
ឥឡូវនេះ

Etymology
🇰🇲

Adverb

 * 1) now, nowadays

title: ឥឡូវនេះ


text:
かしこ

Interjection

 * 1) used by women at the end of letters: yours, sincerely

title: かしこ


text:
Heʹlssen

Proper noun

 * 1)  Helsinki

title: Heʹlssen


text:
មីកុឡា

Etymology
🇰🇲

Noun

 * 1) mee kola, Burmese-style noodles

title: មីកុឡា


text: abdicatietje

title: abdicatietje


text: abdicatietjes

title: abdicatietjes


text: boulangu'thies

title: boulangu'thies


text:
trouwkleed

Etymology
From.

Synonyms

 * (Netherlands)

title: trouwkleed


text: trouwkleden

title: trouwkleden


text: trouwkleedje

title: trouwkleedje


text: trouwkleedjes

title: trouwkleedjes


text: Tsjechischen

title: Tsjechischen


text:
កជើង

Etymology
From 🇰🇲.

Noun

 * 1)  ankle

title: កជើង


text: bujeng

title: bujeng


text: tulpenmanieën

title: tulpenmanieën


text: tulpenmanies

title: tulpenmanies


text: tulpenmanietje

title: tulpenmanietje


text: tulpenmanietjes

title: tulpenmanietjes


text:
ហហ្មុក

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) amok

title: ហហ្មុក


text: tommene

title: tommene


text: tommar

title: tommar


text:
tinggang

Verb

 * 1) to befall

title: tinggang


text: tommane

title: tommane


text:
ស្បែកជើងសង្រែក

Etymology
🇰🇲.

Noun

 * 1) sandal

title: ស្បែកជើងសង្រែក


text: interventiemacht

title: interventiemacht


text: interventiemachten

title: interventiemachten


text: interventiemachtje

title: interventiemachtje


text: interventiemachtjes

title: interventiemachtjes


text:
Verschlimmbesserung

Noun

 * 1) disimprovement; attempted improvement that makes things worse

title: Verschlimmbesserung


text:
ᮒᮩᮊ᮪ᮒᮩᮊ᮪

Verb

 * 1) to cut

title: ᮒᮩᮊ᮪ᮒᮩᮊ᮪


text: beulah

title: beulah


text:
diptiek

Etymology
Borrowed from, from , plural, from , neuter plural of.

title: diptiek


text: diptieken

title: diptieken


text: diptiekje

title: diptiekje


text: diptiekjes

title: diptiekjes


text:
ម្រាមជើង

Etymology
🇰🇲.

Noun

 * 1) toe

title: ម្រាមជើង


text: Category:Japanese terms spelled with 錨

title: Category:Japanese terms spelled with 錨


text: tewek

title: tewek


text:
triptiek

Etymology
From, from +.

title: triptiek


text: triptieken

title: triptieken


text: triptiekje

title: triptiekje


text: triptiekjes

title: triptiekjes


text:
Schleifchen

Etymology
From +.

Noun

 * 1) diminutive of Schleife

title: Schleifchen


text:
חבט

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1) to strike, hit

Conjugation
or

title: חבט


text: ngojai

title: ngojai


text: ngapung

title: ngapung


text: hiber

title: hiber


text:
papah

Noun

 * 1) leaf

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) papakha

Noun

 * 1) leaf

title: papah


text:
pee-ew

Etymology
A drawn-out version of.

Interjection

 * 1) An exclamation of disgust.

title: pee-ew


text: kedeng

title: kedeng


text: ddillad

title: ddillad


text: nillad

title: nillad


text: calik

title: calik


text:
adeg

Etymology
From, from , from , and cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, and 🇨🇬. In all branches except Indo-Iranian, the root underwent a semantic specialization of "go" > "going of time" > "time, season".

Noun

 * 1) time, occasion, period, season
 * 2) waning

title: adeg


text:
Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/paþaz

Etymology
Borrowed from (compare 🇨🇬) during the Alan invasion, from, from , from , from. Compare native Germanic and. Cognate with 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) path

title: Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/paþaz


text:
verhalenverteller

Etymology
From.

title: verhalenverteller


text: verhalenvertellers

title: verhalenvertellers


text: verhalenvertellertje

title: verhalenvertellertje


text: verhalenvertellertjes

title: verhalenvertellertjes


text:
verhalenvertelster

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) female

title: verhalenvertelster


text: verhalenvertelsters

title: verhalenvertelsters


text: verhalenvertelstertje

title: verhalenvertelstertje


text: verhalenvertelstertjes

title: verhalenvertelstertjes


text:
vertelster

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) female

title: vertelster


text: vertelsters

title: vertelsters


text: vertelstertje

title: vertelstertje


text: vertelstertjes

title: vertelstertjes


text: géséh

title: géséh


text: robah

title: robah


text: tommelfingrer

title: tommelfingrer


text:
Talk:hníga

ertu alveg hníginn

title: Talk:hníga


text: liwær

title: liwær


text: tommelfingrar

title: tommelfingrar


text:
Citations:liuær

Noun: liver

 * 13th century, Henrik Harpestreng, Liber Herbarum, 1:67.
 * Nux muscata. Hun styrkær liuær oc maghæ.
 * Nux muscata. It strenghtens liver and stomach.

title: Citations:liuær


text: tommelfingrane

title: tommelfingrane


text:
רמה

Noun

 * 1) highlands, high regions
 * 2) level (standard or measure, as in an advanced level of ability or high water levels)
 * 3)  level numeric value indicating power and experience
 * 4)  barometric high
 * 5) height

title: רמה


text: Category:Japanese terms spelled with 雰 read as ふん


text:
tommelfingerregel

Noun

 * 1) rule of thumb
 * 2)  a mnemonic for determining the direction of the magnetic field brought about by a current

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) a rule of thumb

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) a rule of thumb

title: tommelfingerregel


text:
buiktyfus

Etymology
Compound of.

title: buiktyfus


text: tommelfingerregelen

title: tommelfingerregelen


text: tommelfingerregler

title: tommelfingerregler


text: tommelfingerreglene

title: tommelfingerreglene


text: tommelfingerreglar

title: tommelfingerreglar


text: tommelfingerreglane

title: tommelfingerreglane


text:
homoamorous

Adjective

 * 1)  Characterized by love with another person of the same sex; homoromantic.

Usage notes
Often used in contrast to words describing sexual orientation in order to differentiate romantic from sexual feelings.

title: homoamorous


text:
heteroamorous

Adjective

 * 1)  Characterized by love with another of the opposite sex; heteroromantic.

Usage notes

 * Often used in contrast to words describing sexual orientation in order to differentiate romantic from sexual feelings.

title: heteroamorous


text:
小浜

Etymology 1
Compound of.

Etymology 2
Compound of.

Etymology 3
Compound of.

Proper noun

 * 1)  Kohama (island in the Yaeyama region)

Etymology 2
Devoicing of the above form.

Proper noun

 * 1)  Kohama (island in the Yaeyama region)

Proper noun

 * 1)  Kohama (island in the Yaeyama region)

title: 小浜


text:
loot-

Root

 * 1) related to washing

Derived terms

 * Verbs
 * Pulaar
 * (Pulaar)
 * (Pulaar)
 * (Pulaar)
 * (Pulaar)
 * (Pulaar)
 * Pular
 * (Pular)
 * (Pular)

 * Nouns
 * Pulaar
 * (Pulaar)
 * (Pulaar)
 * (Pulaar)
 * Pular
 * (Pular)
 * (Pular)
 * (Pular)
 * (Pular)

title: loot-


text:
妙高

Etymology
.

Proper noun

 * 1) Mount Myōkō, a mountain in Japan

title: 妙高


text:
Template:U:hu:conj-pres-def

Present tense definite – personal endings

title: Template:U:hu:conj-pres-def


text: anglicismi

title: anglicismi


text:
bullebulle

Noun

 * 1) busybody, nosey parker

title: bullebulle


text: Thesaurus:United Kingdom

title: Thesaurus:United Kingdom


text: camposanti

title: camposanti


text: olvasod

title: olvasod


text:
evoluzionario

Adjective

 * 1) evolutionary

title: evoluzionario


text: Thesaurus:Ireland

title: Thesaurus:Ireland


text: Category:Norwegian Bokmål terms prefixed with fore-


text:
giustapporsi

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1) to juxtapose oneself

title: giustapporsi


text:
καταπληκτικός

Adjective

 * 1) amazing, fantastic, astounding

title: καταπληκτικός


text:
καταπληκτικά

Adverb

 * 1) fantastic!

title: καταπληκτικά


text:
κατάπληκτος

Adjective

 * 1) amazed, surprised, astounded

title: κατάπληκτος


text: fested

title: fested


text: Thesaurus:Great Britain

title: Thesaurus:Great Britain


text: Thesaurus:England

title: Thesaurus:England


text: kerülöd

title: kerülöd


text:
winnd-

Root

 * 1) related to writing

Derived terms

 * Verbs

 * Nouns

title: winnd-


text:
interconnettività

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) interconnectivity

title: interconnettività


text:
intonativo

Adjective

 * 1) intonational

title: intonativo


text: 𨰾

title: 𨰾


text: modismi

title: modismi


text:
wallif-

Etymology
From.

Root

 * 1) related to writing, composing

title: wallif-


text: Category:ff:Writing

title: Category:ff:Writing


text: Category:ff:Language

title: Category:ff:Language


text: Category:ff:Communication

title: Category:ff:Communication


text: Category:ff:Human behaviour

title: Category:ff:Human behaviour


text:
perplimere

Etymology
, coined in the early 1990s by Italian satirical actor and comedian, following the verb pattern → ,  → ,  → , etc. The actually expected result would be.

Verb

 * 1)  to perplex

title: perplimere


text: perplimendo

title: perplimendo


text: perplimente

title: perplimente


text: perplimuto

title: perplimuto


text: perplimuti

title: perplimuti


text: perplimuta

title: perplimuta


text: perplimute

title: perplimute


text: perplimo

title: perplimo


text: perplimi

title: perplimi


text: perplime

title: perplime


text: perplimiamo

title: perplimiamo


text: perplimete

title: perplimete


text: perplimono

title: perplimono


text: perplimevo

title: perplimevo


text: perplimevi

title: perplimevi


text: perplimeva

title: perplimeva


text: perplimevamo

title: perplimevamo


text: perplimevate

title: perplimevate


text: perplimevano

title: perplimevano


text: perplimei

title: perplimei


text: perplimesti

title: perplimesti


text: perplimé

title: perplimé


text: perplimette

title: perplimette


text: perplimemmo

title: perplimemmo


text: perplimeste

title: perplimeste


text: perplimerono

title: perplimerono


text: perplimettero

title: perplimettero


text: perplimerò

title: perplimerò


text: perplimerai

title: perplimerai


text: perplimerà

title: perplimerà


text: perplimeremo

title: perplimeremo


text: perplimerete

title: perplimerete


text:
karikatur

Noun

 * 1) caricature

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) caricature

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) caricature

Etymology
From, via.

Noun

 * 1) a caricature

Etymology
From, via.

Noun

 * 1) a caricature

title: karikatur


text: perplimeranno

title: perplimeranno


text: perplimerei

title: perplimerei


text: perplimeresti

title: perplimeresti


text: perplimerebbe

title: perplimerebbe


text: perplimeremmo

title: perplimeremmo


text: perplimereste

title: perplimereste


text: perplimerebbero

title: perplimerebbero


text: perplima

title: perplima


text: perplimiate

title: perplimiate


text: perplimano

title: perplimano


text: perplimessi

title: perplimessi


text: perplimesse

title: perplimesse


text: perplimessimo

title: perplimessimo


text: perplimessero

title: perplimessero


text:
persianizzazione

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) Persianization / Persianisation

title: persianizzazione


text:
Hoo

Etymology
From ; see.

Proper noun

 * 1) The village of Hoo St Werburgh on the  in Kent, England.

title: Hoo


text:
Persianization

Noun

 * 1) The assimilation of Persian (Iranian) cultural values

Translations

 * Arabic: تَفْرِيس
 * Armenian:
 * Finnish: persialaistaminen
 * French: persanisation
 * German: Persifizierung, Persisierung
 * Hindi: फ़ारसीकरण
 * Italian: persianizzazione
 * Persian: پارسی‌سازی
 * Polish: czynienie perskim
 * Russian: персианиза́ция
 * Spanish: persianización
 * Turkish: farslaşma

title: Persianization


text:
បាយដំណើប

Etymology
From 🇰🇲.

Noun

 * 1) sticky rice, glutinous rice

title: បាយដំណើប


text:
氷楔

Noun

 * 1) ice wedge

title: 氷楔


text:
mucuna

Noun

 * 1) velvet bean

title: mucuna


text:
pigiapigia

Noun

 * 1) crowd, throng

title: pigiapigia


text: puristica

title: puristica


text: puristici

title: puristici


text: puristiche

title: puristiche


text:
reduplicato

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) reduplicated

title: reduplicato


text: 高口

title: 高口


text:
riaggiustamento

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) readjustment

title: riaggiustamento


text:
sanscritizzazione

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) Sanskritization / Sanskritisation

title: sanscritizzazione


text:
μελένιος

Adjective

 * 1) containing honey, honeyed
 * 2) honey-coloured
 * 3)  sugary, over-sweet

title: μελένιος


text:
楔状骨

Noun

 * 1) a cuneiform bone

title: 楔状骨


text: sottesposto

title: sottesposto


text: μελένια

title: μελένια


text:
ultrapurismo

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) ultrapurism

title: ultrapurismo


text:
ultrapurism

Noun

 * 1) An extreme form of purism

Translations

 * Italian: ultrapurismo

title: ultrapurism


text: karikaturer

title: karikaturer


text:
jezull

Etymology
From + -ull, close to 🇨🇬. Phonetically possible also from, from the stem , cf. 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬 and the like. Orel simply derives it from, which he considers a borrowing from with a metaphorical shift in meaning.

Noun

 * 1) cloud of dust or smoke
 * 2) ashes

title: jezull


text:
μολονότι

Conjunction

 * 1) even though, though, although

title: μολονότι


text: karikaturene

title: karikaturene


text:
eruptie

Etymology
Borrowed from, from. First mentioned by.

title: eruptie


text: erupties

title: erupties


text: eruptietje

title: eruptietje


text: eruptietjes

title: eruptietjes


text:
boufon

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) court jester; jester

title: boufon


text: buffon

title: buffon


text: karikaturar

title: karikaturar


text:
vulkaanuitbarsting

Etymology
Compound of.

title: vulkaanuitbarsting


text: vulkaanuitbarstingen

title: vulkaanuitbarstingen


text: vulkaanuitbarstinkje

title: vulkaanuitbarstinkje


text: vulkaanuitbarstinkjes

title: vulkaanuitbarstinkjes


text:
កៅស៊ូ

Etymology
From. Compare 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) rubber
 * 2) asphalt
 * 3) tire / tyre

title: កៅស៊ូ


text:
kacadre

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) stag beetle
 * 2)  locust, grasshopper
 * 1)  locust, grasshopper

title: kacadre


text: karikaturane

title: karikaturane


text:
tosproget

Adjective

 * 1) bilingual, especially natively so

title: tosproget


text:
内側楔状骨

Noun

 * 1) a medial cuneiform bone

title: 内側楔状骨


text:
中間楔状骨

Noun

 * 1) an intermediate cuneiform bone

title: 中間楔状骨


text:
πετάω

Etymology
From + modern suffix. From, contracted form of from , from  from the root.

Verb

 * 1)  to fly
 * 2)  to throw
 * 3)  to throw away, drop
 * 4)  to waste
 * 5)  to thown away; drop by

Related terms
, ,

title: πετάω


text:
外側楔状骨

Noun

 * 1) a lateral cuneiform bone

title: 外側楔状骨


text: πετώ

title: πετώ


text: acciaiuoli

title: acciaiuoli


text: archibusi

title: archibusi


text: autoinneschi

title: autoinneschi


text: bindelle

title: bindelle


text: bipiedi

title: bipiedi


text: bipodi

title: bipodi


text: cameramenti

title: cameramenti


text: cassule

title: cassule


text: coietti

title: coietti


text: dilatamenti

title: dilatamenti


text: disconnettori

title: disconnettori


text: draghetti

title: draghetti


text: dromoni

title: dromoni


text: focili

title: focili


text: foconi

title: foconi


text: gancetti

title: gancetti


text: innescature

title: innescature


text: lastrine

title: lastrine


text: luminelli

title: luminelli


text: mezzipunti

title: mezzipunti


text: molloni

title: molloni


text: nitronaftaline

title: nitronaftaline


text: padelline

title: padelline


text: petriere

title: petriere


text: petrinali

title: petrinali


text: piastrette

title: piastrette


text: retratti

title: retratti


text: ribadocchini

title: ribadocchini


text: ricameramenti

title: ricameramenti


text: assialmenti

title: assialmenti


text: ricaricamenti

title: ricaricamenti


text: stifnati

title: stifnati


text: comastica

title: comastica


text: xiloidine

title: xiloidine


text: persianizzazioni

title: persianizzazioni


text: comastici

title: comastici


text: riaggiustamenti

title: riaggiustamenti


text: comastiche

title: comastiche


text: sanscritizzazioni

title: sanscritizzazioni


text: ultrapurismi

title: ultrapurismi


text: incavalcata

title: incavalcata


text: incavalcati

title: incavalcati


text: incavalcate

title: incavalcate


text:
πετάγομαι

Etymology
Alternative passive of.

Verb

 * 1)  to jump, jump up
 * 2)  to dart, nip, dash move quickly and possibly unexpectedly

title: πετάγομαι


text:
boucquain

Noun

 * 1) rare, old book

title: boucquain


text: istanbulioti

title: istanbulioti


text: istanbuliote

title: istanbuliote


text: rimotorizzata

title: rimotorizzata


text: rimotorizzati

title: rimotorizzati


text: rimotorizzate

title: rimotorizzate


text: scatolati

title: scatolati


text: termobalistica

title: termobalistica


text: termobalistici

title: termobalistici


text: termobalistiche

title: termobalistiche


text: evoluzionaria

title: evoluzionaria


text: evoluzionari

title: evoluzionari


text: πετιέμαι

title: πετιέμαι


text: evoluzionarie

title: evoluzionarie


text: intonativa

title: intonativa


text: intonativi

title: intonativi


text: intonative

title: intonative


text: reduplicata

title: reduplicata


text: reduplicati

title: reduplicati


text:
kacamit

Etymology
Compound of *kaca + mitë, related to mitëz 'roe'.

Noun

 * 1) stag

title: kacamit


text: sottesposta

title: sottesposta


text: sottesposti

title: sottesposti


text: sottesposte

title: sottesposte


text: πετάχτηκα

title: πετάχτηκα


text: πέταξα

title: πέταξα


text:
humoristisk

Adjective

 * 1) humorous

Adjective

 * 1) humorous

Adjective

 * 1) humorous

title: humoristisk


text:
πρωτοβρόχι

Noun

 * 1)  first rain of autumn

title: πρωτοβρόχι


text:
氷雪

Noun

 * 1) ice and snow

title: 氷雪


text:
ひょうせつ

Noun

 * 1)  ice and snow
 * 2)  ice wedge

title: ひょうせつ


text: hyōsetsu

title: hyōsetsu


text:
អណ្ដូងរ៉ែ

Etymology
+

Noun

 * 1) mine (ore)

title: អណ្ដូងរ៉ែ


text:
norry

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) an improvised rail vehicle from Cambodia; a bamboo train.

title: norry


text:
គ្រាប់មីន

Etymology
🇰🇲

Noun

 * 1) mine (explosive)

title: គ្រាប់មីន


text: szeretjük

title: szeretjük


text: humoristiske

title: humoristiske


text: keressük

title: keressük


text: Category:Japanese terms spelled with 葯

title: Category:Japanese terms spelled with 葯


text:
-játok

Usage notes

 * See harmonic variants and the assimilation of j in the tables below.

title: -játok


text: mondjátok

title: mondjátok


text: olvassátok

title: olvassátok


text:
-ják

Etymology 1
From.

Usage notes

 * See harmonic variants in the table below.

Etymology 2
From.

Usage notes

 * See harmonic variants in the table below.

title: -ják


text: Category:Lü terms with IPA pronunciation


text:
klisjé

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) a cliché

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) a cliché

title: klisjé


text:
toponymist

Noun

 * 1) One who studies toponymy.

Translations

 * Finnish: paikannimitutkija
 * Polish: toponimista
 * Portuguese:
 * Romanian: toponimist
 * Russian:

title: toponymist


text: Category:Kildin Sami terms with IPA pronunciation


text: Category:Middle Persian terms with IPA pronunciation


text: Category:Proto-Malayic terms with IPA pronunciation


text: toponymists

title: toponymists


text: Category:Proto-Malayo-Chamic terms with IPA pronunciation


text: Category:Proto-Malayo-Chamic entry maintenance


text:
-lak

Etymology
From.

Usage notes

 * See harmonic variants in the table below.

title: -lak


text:
-lek

Etymology
From.

Usage notes

 * See harmonic variants in the table below.

Suffix

 * 1) to you singular

Etymology
From,.

title: -lek


text: Category:Proto-Malayo-Sumbawan entry maintenance


text: Category:Proto-Malayo-Sumbawan terms with IPA pronunciation


text:
-alak

Etymology
From.

Usage notes

 * See harmonic variants in the table below.

title: -alak


text: Category:Bella Coola terms with IPA pronunciation


text: Category:Udmurt terms with IPA pronunciation


text: Category:Yoruba terms with IPA pronunciation


text: Category:Goemai terms with IPA pronunciation


text:
-elek

Etymology
From.

Usage notes

 * See harmonic variants in the table below.

title: -elek


text:
Talk:satisne

satisne
Not worth an entry. This is just the sum of satis + -ne, the latter of which sole introduces questions. --Fsojic (talk) 19:48, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. We've been through this before with uses of -que, and it's basically the same issue as with forms ending with -'s in English. Chuck Entz (talk) 20:15, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

 * Keep until more convincing arguments are presented than those found at Talk:fasque. I believe the deletion was not based on CFI. This would not be all that bad, but the salient difference to un-, -ness and English plural-forming -s for the purpose of worthiness of inclusion has not been made clear, IMHO. In my view, "-ne" is not a separate component and thus "satisne" cannot be deleted with the use of WT:CFI. Moreover, the definition of "satisne" says "introducing questions" and thus the item seems phrasy, and thus worthy of inclusion. --Dan Polansky (talk)
 * Since you've voted against making CFI binding, I assume you mean the fact that the deletion wasn't based on CFI is a good thing. Renard Migrant (talk) 19:05, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
 * In Votes/2014-11/Entries which do not meet CFI to be deleted even if there is a consensus to keep, I said that each argument for keeping should be based on CFI as far as possible; I actually meant that even arguments for deletion should be based on CFI as far as possible. When I make an argument in terms of "translation target", I acknowledge that this is not in CFI. I see no acknowledgment in this nomination and in the pro-deletion arguments that this nomination lies outside of CFI. --Dan Polansky (talk) 10:57, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. The difference between and English,  and plural-form  is that the English forms are affixes that are restricted in the forms they can be added to and that change the meaning of the word they're added to. Latin  is a clitic that can be placed after literally any Latin word that can be the first word in a clause (which because of Latin's free word order amounts to any virtually word at all) and doesn't change the meaning of that word but rather marks the entire clause as being a question. I suspect the primary reason this entry exists at all is to give  and  something to link to; but they can link just as well to [[satis]]-ne&. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 14:15, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
 * It's a compound word. Compound words have no spaces, so they should be kept. Pur ple back pack 89   17:23, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Question On, the examples include "Satin' omnia ex sententia?" and "Satin' salva sunt omnia?" (presumably these are equally applicable to too, but please correct me if I'm wrong). I don't see the immediate connection here to satis meaning "enough" - I don't know much Latin, so I have to ask: could these sentences be reworded to make another word lead the sentence ("Salvane satis sunt omnia?"?), or is  saying something other than "isn't there enough...?" here? Smurrayinchester (talk) 15:45, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Lewis and Short define "ne2" as follows: "-nĕ (also apocopated n' and only n ),
 * I. interrog. and enclit. part. [weakened from nē]. It simply inquires, without implying either that a negative or an affirmative reply is expected (cf. num, nonne), and emphasizes the word to which it is joined; “which is always, in classic Latin, the first word of the clause (ante- class. after other words: sine dote uxoremne?”
 * So, in classical Latin the shift of the particle from satis to salva shifts the focus of the question in a way I am not competent to explain or translate. I didn't get that from the various usage examples at our entry for [[-ne]] and especially not from those at [[satisne]] which I would not rely on without some further confirmation. DCDuring TALK 02:33, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per Angr. DCDuring TALK 16:35, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. I’m slightly tempted to suggest a redirection to -ne, but that would open the floodgates to hundreds of redirections. --Romanophile (talk) 14:46, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Why would this redirect to -ne rather than to satis? bd2412 T 01:47, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Lewis and Short has satin' as an entry, defined as "satisne", but not satisne. DCDuring TALK 02:33, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * User:DCDuring: Lewis and Short have no inflected forms either, right? --Dan Polansky (talk) 21:40, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * If there are contracted forms of this particular word, I would keep it. From the lay person's point of view, it looks like a single word. bd2412 T 21:37, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep per bd2412 . I'm not much of a Latin scholar, so running across a single word like, I would have no reason to guess that this is  + .  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 23:28, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * How is that relevant? --Fsojic (talk) 10:58, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Many here seem to believe that we should lexicalize as much as possible of language, including all compounds, collocations, orthography, and grammar. So someone with LA-1 knowledge of Latin grammar should find entries that compensate for that lack of knowledge. A charitable view would be that such entries would provide an instance from which such a learner could inductively learn the grammar. Whether Wiktionary entries, rather than Wiktionary usage examples and citations or Wikipedia articles or Wikisource texts or, heaven forfend, something outside the WMF world, should provide those instances is not a question that has been addressed. DCDuring TALK 14:14, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * What is a word? We say, all words in all languages.  To my eyes,  is a word.  There is no obvious way for me to parse this as anything but one word, especially when it appears in running text with clear whitespace on either side.  If someone runs across this term and attempts to look it up, not having some means of directing the user to a definition is a usability issue.  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 18:15, 24 December 2014 (UTC)Rome_Colosseum_inscription_2.jpg
 * "All words in all languages" is a slogan, not a practical guide to anything that we do at this moment. As for clear whitespace defining words, see the image of Latin text. Where are the spaces? How many words? I don't think usability means that we have to hold a user's hand through all elements of grammar that might appear. Learning how to parse something written without a space into its components is not dissimilar from learning the word-order conventions of a language. You aren't recommending that we include all English sentences because not everyone coming to Wiktionary is familiar with SVO order, are you? Or that we include all collocations involving postpositive adjectives because that positioning is exceptional? -ne and -que can appear on almost any form of almost any Latin word. DCDuring TALK 19:08, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The third-person present ending -s can appear on almost any English verb. That doesn't mean we delete all entries for third-person present verb forms.
 * And don't be silly with the carving. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 19:35, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * 2008, Mary Jaeger, Archimedes and the Roman Imagination, University of Michigan Press ISBN 9780472025329, [//books.google.com/books?id=AZwDfji4MKEC&pg=PA34&dq=satisne pages 33-34]
 * ...lived. After telling the story of Dionysius, Damocles, and the sword in some detail, Cicero asks, “Does not Dionyius seem to have made it sufficiently clear [satisne videtur declarasse Dionysius] that there can be nothing happy [beatum] for the person over whom some fear always looms?” (5.62). After a brief...

 * I agree with respect to the carving. An English speaker who comes across something like that is going to recognize that spaces are missing; if they come across a transcription of it, it is a fair bet that the transcriber will have added the appropriate spaces, and that multiple instances of the same character string missing the same spaces will not be found in printed works. bd2412 T 20:11, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Most Ancient Greek and Latin texts, not just inscriptions, were written without spaces or any other distinct marker of word division. Readers were expected to be able to distinguish word boundaries by the inflectional endings. Word boundaries, often designated by dots rather than spaces, were an invention of Medieval or at least post-Classical scribes. Why they didn't insert spaces between ne and que and the preceding words I don't know. So, I take it that the audience we address does not include someone trying to read an inscription from a photo, in a museum, or on the remains of a Classical building. It just seems that we have a self-serving view of whom we are serving: people a lot like us or us as we nostalgically remember ourselves, reading the heavily edited documents in print that have been handed us. DCDuring TALK 21:42, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that this concern is addressed with the Chinese terms below. Where there are spaces, the spaces are understood to delineate words. Were there are none, readers recognize that some other system of delineation must be in place. Either way, satisne is a word having abundant citations in spaced text, so we don't need to speculate about how to address its appearance in other media. There are CFI-worthy citations of satisne as a distinctly spaced word, and that by itself justifies inclusion. bd2412 T 00:37, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Addressing one audience by including words with -ne does not mean that we aren't addressing other audiences. It does not affect the other audiences at all. The vast majority of our users are reading documents in print, as the vast majority of people who actually read anything in the 21st century do; I scoff at this idea that we have many scholars staring at a monument newly discovered who are poking words into their cellphones to look the text up on Wiktionary, and even if they all did, we'd still have far more people working from texts.--Prosfilaes (talk) 07:08, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't any combination of Chinese symbols appear to be a single word to someone who doesn't speak Chinese? That's what we're talking about here, how non-Latin speakers view Latin entries. Renard Migrant (talk) 15:06, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Anyone looking at Chinese quickly comes to the conclusion that whitespace doesn't happen in Chinese. The next step is figuring out which clump of characters constitutes a "word" for purposes of looking things up.  This is a problem for all learners of languages that use Chinese characters and no whitespace.
 * Latin, meanwhile, does use whitespace, and in any Latin sentence that includes the term, is clearly delineated by whitespace as a "word".  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 18:15, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Whitespace or dots to mark word divisions is a post-Classical innovation. DCDuring TALK 21:42, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per Chuck Entz. — Ungoliant (falai) 23:45, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Question: We include word forms, no? If we have an entry for  or  or, why not for ?  What are the criteria here?  Why delete one, but not the others?  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 00:04, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * We include some but not all forms in English. English has a relatively small number of contractions, which we include. English has a open set of possessive forms of nouns, which we exclude. DCDuring TALK 00:12, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * -ne can and does occur after many inflected forms of the stems. The Lewis and Short entry for -ne has usage examples involving about twenty stems and several different inflections. We don't usually require attestation for each inflected form in Latin, so I suppose we should have inflection tables for every word that could have -ne appended that shows our benighted users and our search engine what each form with -ne would look like. All you Latinists should get started. All the lay persons reading Latin need you. DCDuring TALK 00:12, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * But who's going to be reading Latin without knowing at least a little bit of Latin? This isn't some esoteric corner of Latin grammar; Latin students probably learn about being used to form questions in their first week of Latin class. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 14:29, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I have no recollection of that from my Latin class. Then again, all I remember from that class is "Romanes eunt domus". Still, since we absolutely can require attestation if we want, I propose that we include attested -ne forms, because they look like whole and distinct words by most any definition of "word" that we employ. bd2412 T 15:42, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * You're assuming that the only people looking up Latin in the EN WT are doing so because they are reading Latin texts. Latin does show up from time to time in regular English texts when authors throw some in for flavor or style or bragging rights or what-have-you.  I don't know Latin.  I don't read Latin texts.  If I run across Latin in some other text that I'm reading, I would probably come here to try to look up the terms and ferret out the meaning.  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 18:15, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * That's why we have professional translators and that poor man's translator Google Translate. The question is what portion of their work should Wiktionary try to do? DCDuring TALK 19:08, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Whatever portion is covered by "all words in all languages". bd2412 T 20:09, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Begging the question: What's a word? Not to mention the need to parse each component of our slogan, whose greatest use is to vanquish any practical considerations. Is a word whatever any reader might think is a word? I'll leave others to anticipate whatever those might be. We risk becoming a caricature of ourselves. DCDuring TALK 21:42, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * "In English and other space-delimited languages, it is customary to treat "word" as referring to any sequence of characters delimited by spaces". Source: Wiktionary. bd2412 T 21:57, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * That's not the definition we use. We include terms with intervening spaces all the time, also affixes which are not spaced, etc. I doubt that I've exhausted the departures from the definition for English, let alone for other languages.
 * In any event, we claim that we follow the practice traditional to the scholarship of whatever language a entry would be in. I doubt that there is a consensus of Latin scholars favoring any term consisting of a Latin inflected form + a clitic like -ne or -que. I doubt that Latin language teachers would recommend a dictionary that bothered with such "words" for their students at any level. DCDuring TALK 03:22, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
 * That's our own usage note. I would suggest that it represents a floor, not a ceiling, to inclusion. We include some, but not all, terms with spaces; but we include virtually every attested unspaced string of characters written in a language that does use spaces to delineate words. If someone brought sidesaddle or unkempt or my own addition, thisclose, to RfD, they would be laughed out. bd2412 T 03:33, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
 * In English, yes, but people have brought spaceless German compounds to RFD and have not been laughed out; rather, they have gained a certain amount of support for their position (though never, I think, enough to actually achieve deletion). —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 12:28, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep There's no reason to exclude these space-delimited words. If it's really as trivial as is claimed, a bot should be able to add them quickly.--Prosfilaes (talk) 07:08, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, as an English speaker, it seems like every time I enter a word, I'm facing Plural form of ... or Present participle of ..., and it's never a case where I couldn't have lemmatized it myself. It's annoying (though I offer no solutions right now), but less annoying then running into the search box. I suspect even good Latin readers will enter forms with -ne, because that's what they have in front of them.--Prosfilaes (talk) 08:47, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep: It's a single word. The "what about 's" argument is a poor one because "'s" is a contraction. Pur ple back pack 89   04:40, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * No, in something like "the cat's pajamas", cat's is not a contraction of anything. I'd say the difference is more about ', like -, is not an alphabetic character, and the separation into parts is necessarily obvious.--Prosfilaes (talk) 06:26, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete – as a Latin speaker I feel keeping this is embarrassing for Wiktionary, as if we couldn't tell that not all things that are written without spaces are necessarily words. The same arguments at Talk:fasque apply here. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 15:08, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Am I correct in understanding that -que is attached to whatever happens to be the first word of the clause, no matter what word that is, and -ne is the same in this regard? bd2412 T 17:20, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * -ne is attached to whatever happens to be the first word of the clause; -que is attached to anything to produce the meaning "and X", so in a list it could be the last word of the clause. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 17:32, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * You say, “as a Latin speaker”. Please be aware of your bias in this.  EN WT is for English speakers (well, readers really).  If someone runs across  and doesn't know the rules of Latin, how are they to find out what it means?  How are they to find out what its constituent parts are?  We must make allowances for users who don't have the knowledge that we editors do.  I've made changes to my own approach to the Japanese entries that I create and maintain as a result of user feedback, as that feedback has enlightened me as to my own biases and how that might cloud my judgment regarding what is useful here.
 * So far, most of the arguments above for deletion have been made by editors who already have knowledge of Latin, and the arguments are based on an assumption of user foreknowledge (that users should know that is  + ), with a sprinkling of points seeking to shame the community (that no “proper” Latin dictionary would ever include, and therefore we shouldn't either).
 * Serious query: if a user comes here with no Latin knowledge and searches for, how will that user be directed to the desired information if we have no entry?  If we have some means of directing such searches to the appropriate entry or entries, then I have no opposition to deleting .  Until then, however, from a basic usability perspective, it does not make sense to delete this entry.  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 19:26, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * This is not a dictionary that is intending to be of maximal help to the lowest common denominator, so to speak. If somebody doesn't know what the ablative is, telling them that utor takes it is entirely unhelpful, but it's not our job to explain that there or even link to it. People learning Latin will want to know that, and that's who our Latin entries are for. Foreign-language dictionaries have always been made under the assumption that the person looking up the words knows the bare basics of the language, and, as Angr said, this is something that is taught very early on in most courses. You should be just as aware of your bias as a non-Latin speaker, because you may not be familiar with people who actually use our Latin content as a learning tool, but I interact with many people in real life who do, and they are in agreement that our Latin entries serve their purposes well. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 21:54, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Addressing just one narrow issue of the several you raise here, what harm does it do to include ? I have not yet read a clear argument as to what is harmful to EN WT in including this entry.  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 23:11, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * As we haven't a model to follow and rarely are able to produce good entries, especially for grammatical terms in the absence of a model, we are likely to present users with crap, such as the present entry. DCDuring TALK 00:46, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It is very hard to help someone who doesn't know the grammar of a language, which is not normally taught in a purely inductive, lexical way. If we were to try to do so, here are some basic ideas for the entry:
 * Entries:
 * , making sure that we actually had a complete and correct grammatical presentation at the component entries (which we do not in the case of -ne AFAICT).
 * An accurate translation of each of the various attestable combinations of (many at and  (6 in )
 * Redirects, presumably to something that explains what we deem troublesome because of the grammatical functions of :
 * To applicable WP article, if any. [I didn't find one.]
 * To . [needs work]
 * To a Wiktionary grammar appendix on [doesn't exist]
 * I haven't seen much good grammar content here, nor have I been able to do a good job myself when I tried. I can't imagine anyone doing the work to find all the attestable combinations senses of satis and senses of -ne.
 * Who will sign up for making sure we have correct content for the attestable entries (and senses for 1.2)? DCDuring TALK 22:20, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Simply a case of slippery slope. If you let this in, then we have to have a massive amount of entries like fasque that don't do any good to the vast majority of people using en.wikt's Latin content, and that will take a tremendous amount of human effort. Please don't say it can be done by bot, because bots don't know how to check if something is attestable per CFI, so in that case you'd end up with a large amount of entries that human editors would RFV, if they ever got around to it, and just delete them again. To me, that sounds like a nightmare for everybody involved with almost no benefit (in fact a deficit, since it would waste editors' time when they could be doing something that would actually improve the dictionary). —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 00:33, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * There's no reason the rule could not be made to work the other way around. Allow and  types of entries, but only if three CFI-worthy citations exist in the entry at the time of its creation; speedy delete those that do no have the requisite citations. We make our rules here, so there's nothing to stop us from setting a higher bar for a specific class of words (or wordlike entities). Few editors are going to be motivated to add large numbers of "-ne" and "-que" forms for the sake of so doing if they are in every case required to find the citations first. bd2412 T 02:34, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure, but you're proposing a change in policy. That would require consensus in the Beer Parlour, if not an outright vote. I don't have a problem with your idea, but as things stand, that's not an option. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 03:04, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * There is no policy supporting deletion of "satisne". "satisne" does not consist of separate components, so it is not sum of parts per WT:CFI. You are voting here counter to policy, without admitting as much. As for slippery slope, we have this: Criteria_for_inclusion. --Dan Polansky (talk) 20:38, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * They are separate components. The two components have nothing to do with each other syntactically or morphologically. They just happen to be spelled without a space between them, but that's just orthography (which has nothing to do with language). They're no more closely related to each other than and  in That’s the boy I was talking to’s mother. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 21:19, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * They are not. The following is irrelevant: "The two components have nothing to do with each other syntactically or morphologically." "head" and "ache" in "headache" are not separate; their syntactic or morphological relation is irrelevant to separateness. Thus, we include coalmine since "coal" and "mine" are not separate, while we need a dedicated additional regulation to include coal mine. And we include Zirkusschule: Talk:Zirkusschule. The syntactic relations of the components in "coalmine" are the same as the syntactic relations of the components in "coal mine"; the only thing that distinguishes the two terms for the purpose of separatedness is that one is written without a space and the other one with a space. --Dan Polansky (talk) 21:33, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not irrelevant at all. What is irrelevant is whether there's a written space or not. The reason "head" and "ache" in "headache" are not separate is that they are semantically (I should have included "semantically" above) and morphologically related to and dependent on each other, as are the "coal" and "mine" in both "coalmine" and "coal mine". But there is no linguistic relationship between satis and -ne at all; they are completely separate of each other. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 21:55, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * By your reasoning, we would have to include car producer; the semantic and syntactic relationships of the components of car producer are the same as those of the components of headache, and thus you would have it that "car" and "producer" are not separate. By contrast, I claim that we exclude " " compounds as long as their meaning is clear from the meanings of and (barring the translation target exception). Thus, I claim the components of "car producer" to be separate while the components of "headache" to be not separate. I rest my case; being written together without space matters for separateness; syntactic, morphological and semantic relations don't. --Dan Polansky (talk) 22:10, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * By your reasoning, we'd have to include to's from my example above, not to mention whole paragraphs of Chinese since that's written without spaces. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 22:15, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * You left my "car producer" objection unrefuted. Now for your objection with to's: the components are separated by the apostrophe ('), and hence are separate, by my lights. Similarly, many editors here consider hyphen separating enough, while at least one editor does not. In Chinese, if a whole paragaph is written without space, then spaces are not used in such Chinese writing to separate words, and the case is thereby not under the present analysis. --Dan Polansky (talk) 22:23, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd rather see car producer here than satisne; at least car producer has a meaning (although the usual collocation is car manufacturer). Chinese shows that we need a linguistic definition of word, not an orthographic one. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 22:49, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * So it remains: you left my "car producer" objection unrefuted. You have presented no criterion of separatedness that would enable us to exclude a large number of " " compounds as semantically transparent. --Dan Polansky (talk) 23:26, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

 * Keep: It's a very special case, but it may be useful to some readers, especially beginners, this is why it should be accepted, provided that there are quotations. @Metaknowledge: I don't promote the creation of many such pages, but I think that there are no reason to delete them once they are created (with correct information). Deleting them wastes editors' time, and may discourage their creators, which is bad for the project. Lmaltier (talk) 21:36, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

 * I think this deserves an entry as much as fasque. On the other hand, the community decided that fasque didn't deserve an entry. I abstain. - -sche (discuss) 05:35, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Since the discussion seems to have wound down, I summarize it as follows:

The issue here is that "satisne" is basically a coincidental and purely automatic construction. By comparison, if two men participate in a high jump competition, we could say: "the one who jumped higher's shoes were blue", but we don't consider "higher's" a word worthy of a dictionary entry. Editors supporting inclusion contend that this is distinct because an English speaker not familiar with such constructions in Latin and seeing "satisne" in normally spaced running text would interpret it as a single word, and no satisfactory alternative has been presented to assist such readers in defining this construction.

Seven editors supported deletion: Fsojic, Chuck Entz, Ungoliant, Metaknowledge, Aɴɢʀ, DCDuring, Romanophile.

Six editors supported inclusion: Dan Polansky, BD2412, Eiríkr, Prosfilaes, Purplebackpack89, Lmaltier. Two of these editors have supported an intermediate standard which would allow for the inclusion of such terms conditioned on the inclusion of citations in the entry, but it has been pointed out that no policy supports such a middle ground at this time.

One editor expressly abstained: -sche.

There is no consensus for deletion at this time; although there is a reasonable justification for deletion if such a consensus existed, there an absence of a clear policy requirement that would mandate deletion even absent such consensus. I would encourage the community to implement a policy establishing a higher burden of citation for such entries. bd2412 T 17:10, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

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