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Template talk:tg-conj

Transliteration
Is the transliteration here really necessary? It only fills up the category "Terms with redundant transliterations", so any way we can work around this so we still keep the transliteration but it doesn't fill up the category? Mulder1982 (talk) 01:33, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * One year and 12 days later my question now is: Anybody? Mulder1982 (talk) 04:47, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Not so many people watch specific templates. Posting at WT:GP would be a better bet. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 04:52, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I might try that. Mulder1982 (talk) 19:15, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

title: Template talk:tg-conj


text:
ragtimelike

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1)  Similar to, or reminiscent of, ragtime music.

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: ragtimelike


text: ragtime-like

title: ragtime-like


text: glam rockers

title: glam rockers


text:
frame drummer

Noun

 * 1) Someone who plays any instrument of the frame drum-family.

title: frame drummer


text: frame drummers

title: frame drummers


text: беспристрастного

title: беспристрастного


text:
Aaden

Etymology
From, from. Compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) harvest

title: Aaden


text:
bucket drummer

Noun

 * 1) Someone who plays a bucket as a musical instrument, usually as a busker or street musician.

title: bucket drummer


text: беспристрастному

title: беспристрастному


text: bucket drummers

title: bucket drummers


text: беспристрастным

title: беспристрастным


text: беспристрастном

title: беспристрастном


text: беспристрастное

title: беспристрастное


text:
melodeonist

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) Someone who plays a melodeon.

title: melodeonist


text: melodeonists

title: melodeonists


text: беспристрастная

title: беспристрастная


text: беспристрастной

title: беспристрастной


text: беспристрастную

title: беспристрастную


text: беспристрастные

title: беспристрастные


text:
Romer's gap

Etymology
After.

Proper noun

 * 1)  An apparent gap in the tetrapod fossil record in the lower Mississippian.

title: Romer's gap


text: беспристрастных

title: беспристрастных


text: беспристрастными

title: беспристрастными


text:
harmoniumist

Noun

 * 1) Someone who plays a harmonium.

title: harmoniumist


text: harmoniumists

title: harmoniumists


text: беспристрастною

title: беспристрастною


text:
heliconist

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) Someone who plays a helicon.

title: heliconist


text: heliconists

title: heliconists


text:
rock record

Noun

 * 1)  The collective record of the development of the Earth that is reflected in the preserved rocks, especially sedimentary rocks, from throughout geological history.

title: rock record


text: беспристрастен

title: беспристрастен


text: беспристрастна

title: беспристрастна


text:
hornpiper

Etymology
From, , equivalent to.

Noun

 * 1) Someone who plays a hornpipe.

title: hornpiper


text: hornpipers

title: hornpipers


text: беспристрастны

title: беспристрастны


text: hornpipist

title: hornpipist


text: hornpipists

title: hornpipists


text:
multi-faceted

Adjective

 * This is a multi-faceted problem containing many sub-problems.
 * This is a multi-faceted problem containing many sub-problems.

title: multi-faceted


text: horn-piper

title: horn-piper


text: horn piper

title: horn piper


text: horn-pipers

title: horn-pipers


text: horn pipers

title: horn pipers


text: беспристрастнее

title: беспристрастнее


text: беспристрастней

title: беспристрастней


text:
Äide

Etymology
From, , from. More at.

Noun

 * 1) Earth
 * 2) soil
 * 3) ground

title: Äide


text:
беспристрастность

Noun

 * 1) impartiality

title: беспристрастность


text: Idde

title: Idde


text: Äid

title: Äid


text:
sub-problem

Noun

 * Find a sub-problem which is self-similar to the large problem.
 * Find a sub-problem which is self-similar to the large problem.

title: sub-problem


text: sub-problems

title: sub-problems


text: Eeuend

title: Eeuend


text:
ängelsk

Etymology
Related to 🇨🇬 and 🇨🇬.

Adjective

 * 1) English

title: ängelsk


text:
and don't play one on TV

Etymology
A reference to US television advertisements where well-known actors from medical shows were obliged to add the disclaimer "I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV".

title: and don't play one on TV


text:
fuck off, we're full

Usage notes
Often seen on bumper stickers.

title: fuck off, we're full


text: преданного

title: преданного


text: преданному

title: преданному


text: преданным

title: преданным


text: преданном

title: преданном


text: преданное

title: преданное


text: преданная

title: преданная


text: преданной

title: преданной


text: преданную

title: преданную


text: преданные

title: преданные


text: преданных

title: преданных


text: преданными

title: преданными


text: преданною

title: преданною


text:
авиадвигатель

Noun

 * 1) airplane engine

title: авиадвигатель


text: предан

title: предан


text: предано

title: предано


text:
преданно

Adverb

 * 1) devotedly

title: преданно


text: преданы

title: преданы


text: преданны

title: преданны


text: предана

title: предана


text: преданна

title: преданна


text: преданнее

title: преданнее


text: преданней

title: преданней


text:
Talk:недостижимый

Can you verify the short forms, esp. their accent? Benwing2 (talk) 04:05, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * OK.--Cinemantique (talk) 04:12, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:недостижимый


text: лгуна

title: лгуна


text: лгуну

title: лгуну


text: лгуном

title: лгуном


text: лгуне

title: лгуне


text:
Talk:толковый

Can you verify the accent on the short forms? Benwing2 (talk) 04:08, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * OK.--Cinemantique (talk) 04:15, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:толковый


text: лгуны

title: лгуны


text: лгунов

title: лгунов


text: лгунам

title: лгунам


text: лгунами

title: лгунами


text: лгунах

title: лгунах


text:
dan nhi

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) A vertical bowed fiddle-like string instrument with two strings, originating in the traditional and classical music of Vietnam.

title: dan nhi


text:
dan tranh

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) A small plucked zither with movable bridges and usually 16 or 17 strings, of Vietnamese origin.

title: dan tranh


text: лжеца

title: лжеца


text: лжецу

title: лжецу


text: лжецом

title: лжецом


text: лжеце

title: лжеце


text: лжецы

title: лжецы


text: лжецов

title: лжецов


text: лжецам

title: лжецам


text: лжецами

title: лжецами


text: лжецах

title: лжецах


text:
dan ty ba

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Noun

 * 1) A plucked four-stringed chordophone with a long neck and a pear-shaped body, originating in the traditional music of Vietnam.

title: dan ty ba


text: автопортрета

title: автопортрета


text: автопортрету

title: автопортрету


text: автопортретом

title: автопортретом


text: автопортрете

title: автопортрете


text: автопортреты

title: автопортреты


text: автопортретов

title: автопортретов


text: автопортретам

title: автопортретам


text: автопортретами

title: автопортретами


text: автопортретах

title: автопортретах


text:
daruan

Etymology
From the romanization of the  Chinese pronunciation for.

Noun

 * 1) A bass lute-like four-stringed chordophone of the ruan family of Chinese traditional instruments.

title: daruan


text: беспристрастности

title: беспристрастности


text: беспристрастностью

title: беспристрастностью


text: bow diddley

title: bow diddley


text: bow diddleys

title: bow diddleys


text: didley bow

title: didley bow


text: didley bows

title: didley bows


text: diddly bow

title: diddly bow


text: diddly bows

title: diddly bows


text:
division viol

Etymology
division (florid instrumental variations of a melody) + viol (a type of viola da gamba)

Noun

 * 1)  A type of bass viol with the ability to be tuned in a very broad range, originating in the performance of divisions in 17th century English.

title: division viol


text: division viols

title: division viols


text: division-viol

title: division-viol


text: division-viols

title: division-viols


text:
fenilo

Noun

 * 1)  phenyl

title: fenilo


text:
difenilacetileno

Noun

 * 1)  diphenylacetylene

title: difenilacetileno


text:
Talk:lupus

Surely, if Proto-Italic were *lukʷos, then the Latin reflex would have been **luquus. This all depends on when the metathesis occurred. If it occurred early in Proto-Italic (which seems likely, given *lukʷos) it would not have reversed to create a Latin **volquus. Dave crowley (talk) 04:58, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I have cleaned up the entry accordingly. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 07:47, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Non-Canine Canid Etymologies
Some canid etymologies seems quite confusing to the non-linguist. We have two very similar-seeming pairs: Latin 'lupus' (wolf) with the very similar Sanskrit 'lopāśá' (fox); and 'wolf' with the very similar Latin 'vulpes' (fox). In both cases, the wiktionary etymologies seem to give completely separate derivations (i.e. they directly relate 'wulf' and 'lupus', 'vulpes' and 'lopāśá', with no interactions between the pairs. As described, any similarities are completely accidental). Is this really the case? Or is it possible that there was some crosstalk between the two, perhaps if earlier populations occupied areas where one of the two groups (wolves or foxes) was absent or rare? --Urilarim (talk) 00:36, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

RFD discussion: November 2018–October 2019

 * See Talk:chinensis.

title: Talk:lupus


text:
estilbeno

Noun

 * 1)  stilbene

title: estilbeno


text:
estilbenoide

Noun

 * 1)  stilbenoid

title: estilbenoide


text:
propilbenceno

Noun

 * 1)  propylbenzene

title: propilbenceno


text:
Talk:buka

Serbocroatian: please add someody praviti buku. Meaning: There are some rumours around OR SO.

title: Talk:buka


text:
fenilpropano

Noun

 * 1)  phenylpropane

title: fenilpropano


text:
phenylpropane

Noun

 * 1)  A propylbenzene.

title: phenylpropane


text:
jans

Etymology
Plural of, from.

Noun

 * 1)  the people

title: jans


text: игре

title: игре


text:
chalcona

Noun

 * 1)  chalcone

title: chalcona


text: calcona

title: calcona


text: retrotrapezoid nuclei

title: retrotrapezoid nuclei


text:
flavona

Noun

 * 1)  flavone

title: flavona


text: RTN

title: RTN


text:
limnoplankton

Noun

 * 1)  The plankton of fresh waters, especially of lakes

Translations

 * Italian: limnoplancton

title: limnoplankton


text:
isoflavonoide

Noun

 * 1)  isoflavonoid

title: isoflavonoide


text:
neoflavonoide

Noun

 * 1)  neoflavonoid

title: neoflavonoide


text:
haliplankton

Noun

 * 1)  oceanic plankton

title: haliplankton


text:
fenílico

Adjective

 * 1)  phenyl; phenylic

title: fenílico


text:
polifenólico

Adjective

 * 1)  polyphenolic

title: polifenólico


text:
shikimato

Noun

 * 1)  shikimate

title: shikimato


text:
limnophilid

Noun

 * 1)  any of the caddisflies in the family, formerly known as the Limnophilidae
 * Limnophilid larvae are fitted for life in almost every aquatic situation.

Adjective

 * 1)  of, or related to limnophilids

title: limnophilid


text: ácido siquímico

title: ácido siquímico


text: limnophilids

title: limnophilids


text:
aminobenceno

Noun

 * 1)  aminobenzene

title: aminobenceno


text:
fenilamina

Noun

 * 1)  phenylamine

title: fenilamina


text:
limnometric

Adjective

 * 1) related to measurement of bodies of fresh water
 * The daily determination of the water level in these tubes was made with a portable limnometric rod supplied with transistorized amplifier and a spotlight.

Related terms

 * limnometer

title: limnometric


text:
conrotatorio

Adjective

 * 1)  conrotatory

title: conrotatorio


text:
disrotatorio

Adjective

 * 1)  disrotatory

title: disrotatorio


text:
electrocíclico

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1)  electrocyclic

title: electrocíclico


text: χαλώ

title: χαλώ


text: cello player

title: cello player


text: cello players

title: cello players


text:
χαλάω

Etymology
The Dutch linguist Robert S. P. Beekes claims that it is of origin, and unrelated to 🇨🇬. Also sometimes compared to 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1)  to slacken; to loosen
 * 2)  to become slack; to become loose
 * 1)  to become slack; to become loose

Etymology
From (also ) +, from  /.

Verb

 * 1)  to break, ruin, destroy, wreck, spoil damage, either permanently or that it requires repair
 * 2)  to ruin, spoil ruin the character of by overindulgence
 * 3)  to break divide into smaller units
 * 4)  to waste squander uselessly
 * 5)  to kill
 * 6)  to deflower
 * 7)  to break, break down, become ruined become damaged, unusable or no longer viable
 * 8)  to spoil become bad, sour or rancid
 * 9)  to become ruined
 * 10)  to decay, rot
 * 11)  to become bad, get worse
 * 1)  to kill
 * 2)  to deflower
 * 3)  to break, break down, become ruined become damaged, unusable or no longer viable
 * 4)  to spoil become bad, sour or rancid
 * 5)  to become ruined
 * 6)  to decay, rot
 * 7)  to become bad, get worse
 * 1)  to spoil become bad, sour or rancid
 * 2)  to become ruined
 * 3)  to decay, rot
 * 4)  to become bad, get worse
 * 1)  to become ruined
 * 2)  to decay, rot
 * 3)  to become bad, get worse
 * 1)  to become bad, get worse
 * 1)  to become bad, get worse

title: χαλάω


text: rides up

title: rides up


text: riding up

title: riding up


text: rode up

title: rode up


text: harp-player

title: harp-player


text:
χάλασα

Verb

 * also, of the variant /
 * also, of the variant /

title: χάλασα


text: harp-players

title: harp-players


text: ridden up

title: ridden up


text:
ciclobuteno

Noun

 * 1)  cyclobutene

title: ciclobuteno


text:
ciclodieno

Noun

 * 1)  cyclodiene

title: ciclodieno


text:
canfeno

Noun

 * 1)  camphene

title: canfeno


text:
handclapper

Noun

 * 1) Someone who claps, especially as part of a musical performance; a clapper.

title: handclapper


text:
pineno

Noun

 * 1)  pinene

title: pineno


text: handclappers

title: handclappers


text:
diastereoisómero

Noun

 * 1)  diastereoisomer

title: diastereoisómero


text: diastereómero

title: diastereómero


text:
estereoisómero

Noun

 * 1)  stereoisomer

title: estereoisómero


text:
Glycosmis pentaphylla

Hypernyms

 * - order; - family;  - subfamily;  - tribe;  - genus

title: Glycosmis pentaphylla


text:
estereoisomería

Noun

 * 1)  stereoisomerism

title: estereoisomería


text:
enantiomería

Noun

 * 1)  enantiomerism

title: enantiomería


text:
Reconstruction talk:Proto-Celtic/toutā

Wiktionary and Wikipedia are at variance over the representation of Proto-Celtic diphthongs, ai/ay, ou/ow. Would it be convenient/ more consistent to adopt a "standardised" form, such as we have done for Proto-Germanic (which uses Don Ringe's highly respected work)?

I would suggest ai, ou, in line with other proto-language reconstructions such as Proto-Italic and Proto-Germanic.

Dave crowley (talk) 05:38, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

title: Reconstruction talk:Proto-Celtic/toutā


text:
iridoide

Noun

 * 1)  iridoid

title: iridoide


text:
canfano

Noun

 * 1)  bornane

title: canfano


text:
bornano

Noun

 * 1)  bornane

title: bornano


text:
norbornano

Noun

 * 1)  norbornane

title: norbornano


text:
indólico

Adjective

 * 1)  indolic

title: indólico


text:
orangeberry

Noun

 * 1) A shrub native to Australia and Southeast Asia, related related to citrus and having small pink, citrus-like fruits,.

title: orangeberry


text: orangeberries

title: orangeberries


text:
gin berry

Noun

 * 1) a plant of the species

Usage notes

 * Not to be confused with the juniper berry, which is used to make gin.

title: gin berry


text: gin berries

title: gin berries


text: better than a poke in the eye

title: better than a poke in the eye


text: better than a poke in the eye with a burnt stick


text: better than a poke in the eye with a shitty stick


text: better than a poke in the eye with a rusty nail


text:
crapology

Noun

 * 1)  crap; nonsense; rubbish

title: crapology


text:
частичный

Adjective

 * 1) partial
 * 2)  partitive

title: частичный


text:
Talk:уголь

Can you check the decl of this word? It's rather complicated. I've tried to make it the same as Russian Wiktionary. Thanks. Benwing2 (talk) 06:16, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Currently it's not the same as ru.wikt (and their usage example even contradicts our current tables). The tables at ru.wikt show no division at all by meaning, but only three different patterns of declension. The only one I am personally familiar with is pattern b (i.e. the second table on ru.wikt), so all I can do is point you to the tables at ru.wikt. --WikiTiki89 15:06, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm trying to follow Zaliznyak + ru.wikt. Zaliznyak has 2*a [ //2*b исх. форма нерегул.] with the definition "вещество", and 2*a // 2*e [И. В. ед. поэтич. устаревш. также угль] with the definition "кусок перегоревшего дерева, в частности, используемый для рисования"; см. также у́голья. He doesn't exactly say that the second possibility also has the irregular plural уголья but that agrees with the third table on ru.wikt, which shows 2*a // 2*e // -ья. ru.wikt does distinguish them by meaning, look under the "Морфологические и синтаксические свойства" section. Benwing2 (talk) 03:48, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The current split is acceptable. Ru:wikt does mention the split by meanings (in Морфологические и синтаксические свойства section). It also uses "угль" as a dated/poetic form for nom/acc sg. in Noun#2, which could be added. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 11:05, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * угль was actually listed before but Cinemantique took it out and put a link in "alternative forms". Benwing2 (talk) 10:33, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Alternative nominative forms should be in the declension table of the lemma so that we don't spread information around and make it difficult to find. Thus угль should be in the tables on this page. Also, the usage example at ru.wikt ("Рисовать углём.") proves that the second group of definitions should also allow an ending-stressed singular. --WikiTiki89 01:39, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:уголь


title: User:Benwing2/ru-noun-old


text:
обозревать

Verb

 * 1) to survey, to view, to look round
 * 2) to review, to overview

title: обозревать


text:
נצרה

Noun

 * 1)  safety, safety pin, safety catch

title: נצרה


text:
бессловесный

Etymology
From. Synchronically, based on. Diachronically, is the original stem of, which was originally an s-stem. Compare.

Adjective

 * 1) mute unable to speak
 * 2) silent
 * 3) wordless
 * 4) meek, humble, lowly
 * 1) wordless
 * 2) meek, humble, lowly

title: бессловесный


text:
централизованный

Adjective

 * 1) centralized

title: централизованный


text:
pavimi

Verb

 * 1) to pave

title: pavimi


text: seringat

title: seringat


text: syringas

title: syringas


text: seringats

title: seringats


text:
Talk:अज़दहा

Title of article
Is there a way to change the title of the article? The title should be अज़दहा. There is no such word as अझ़दहा in Hindi. This word exists in Urdu, but that doesn't mean it also exists in Hindi. In Hindi, the modified form अज़दहा is used instead. Here is a dictionary entry with अज़दहा, and as you can see there is no अझ़दहा present. --Foreverknowledge (talk) 07:28, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

 * We can do a page move. I don't know those languages so I don't feel qualified. Can you please raise this issue at WT:TR instead? Equinox ◑ 07:37, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:अज़दहा


text:
идиотский

Adjective

 * 1) idiotic

title: идиотский


text:
полоз

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) runner

Noun

 * 1) racer snake

title: полоз


text:
Talk:полоз

Can you help with this page, esp. the definition? Thanks. Benwing2 (talk) 07:38, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:полоз


text:
limnemic

Adjective

 * 1)  suffering from chronic malaria
 * 2)  adapted to live in marshes or marshy places

title: limnemic


text: limnæmic

title: limnæmic


text:
Talk:обод

Is the plural ободы nonstandard? It is found in ruwiki but not Zaliznyak. Benwing2 (talk) 07:52, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, non-standard.--Cinemantique (talk) 08:21, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:обод


text:
попортить

Verb

 * 1)  to spoil

title: попортить


text:
երթևեկության նշան

Noun

 * 1) traffic sign

title: երթևեկության նշան


text:
երթևեկում

Noun

 * 1) traffic, movement, coming and going
 * 2) communication

title: երթևեկում


text:
երթևեկություն

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) traffic, movement, coming and going
 * 2) communication
 * 1) communication

title: երթևեկություն


text:
лестничный

Adjective

 * 1)  staircase, ladder

title: лестничный


text:
désespoir du singe

Noun

 * 1)  monkey puzzle, araucaria

title: désespoir du singe


text:
سورپریز

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) surprise

title: سورپریز


text:
обгрызать

Verb

 * 1) to gnaw round

title: обгрызать


text: прейти

title: прейти


text:
désespoir des singes

Noun

 * 1)  monkey puzzle, araucaria

title: désespoir des singes


text:
meka

Etymology
From, , from. .

Noun

 * , a large armoured robot on legs, typically controlled by a pilot seated inside.

Verb

 * 1) to try

Verb

 * 1) to try

Noun

 * 1) robe

Etymology 1
Probably from.

Pronunciation

 * Homophones:
 * Homophones:

Noun

 * 1)   Any place considered to be a very important place to visit by people with a particular interest; Mecca, haven, heaven, paradise.

title: meka


text:
взбрык

Noun

 * 1)  (a show of) restiveness

title: взбрык


text:
Zimmerservice

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) room service

Usage notes
The neuter gender is used in Austria.

title: Zimmerservice


text:
идти по пятам

Idiom

 * 1) to follow in someone's footsteps; to follow on the heels of to pursue

title: идти по пятам


text:
мека

Verb

 * 1)  to bleat (of a goat)

Etymology
Probably from.

Pronunciation

 * Homophones:
 * Homophones:

Noun

 * 1)   Any place considered to be a very important place to visit by people with a particular interest; Mecca, haven, heaven, paradise.

title: мека


text:
limnobios

Noun

 * 1)  the animals and plants of fresh water considered collectively

Translations

 * Italian: limnobio

title: limnobios


text:
halobios

Noun

 * 1)  life in the oceans; marine life collectively

title: halobios


text:
степенность

Noun

 * 1) staidness, sedateness

title: степенность


text:
geobios

Noun

 * 1)  Life on the land considered collectively.

title: geobios


text: User:Felix Californicus

title: User:Felix Californicus


text: User talk:Felix Californicus

title: User talk:Felix Californicus


text:
diplobios

Noun

 * 1)  organisms which spend part of their life in one medium, part in another, considered collectively

title: diplobios


text:
Talk:sidekick

Antonym
wondering if one exists, if Speedy and Robin are sidekicks, what is the complementary role we describe Batman and Green Arrow as being? Wards? Mentors? 64.228.91.102 09:07, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

 * There isn't really an antonym because sidekicks are defined in terms of the main character (they are at his or her side). Nobody starts with a side character and creates a main character later. Your suggestions are good though: "mentor" makes sense in most cases. Equinox ◑ 09:11, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

something about food
Pizza Express restaurants in the UK are currently offering "warm, breaded whole chicken breast with rocket, shaved Gran Milano cheese and roasted tomatoes, served with a little pesto sidekick". Not so much a side dish as a relish, I suppose. Have they chosen this term at random or does it have a general culinary sense? Equinox ◑ 00:32, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

title: Talk:sidekick


text:
sanneti

Verb

 * 1) To mix

title: sanneti


text: Category:te:Turtles

title: Category:te:Turtles


text: Category:te:Lizards

title: Category:te:Lizards


text:
limital

Adjective

 * 1)  of, or related to the limit or boundary

title: limital


text: Category:te:Crocodilians

title: Category:te:Crocodilians


text:
цитология

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) cytology

title: цитология


text:
extra-limital

Adjective

 * 1)  (of animals or birds) that occurs at a considerable distance beyond its normal range
 * They have been excluded from the taxonomic revision because they are currently considered as extra-limital to the study area.

title: extra-limital


text: цитологии

title: цитологии


text: цитологию

title: цитологию


text: цитологией

title: цитологией


text:
юриспруденция

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  jurisprudence

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1)  jurisprudence

title: юриспруденция


text: юриспруденции

title: юриспруденции


text:
limnobiology

Noun

 * 1) A branch of biology that deals with freshwater animals and freshwater plants.

Translations

 * Italian: limnobiologia
 * Russian: лимнобиоло́гия

title: limnobiology


text: юриспруденцию

title: юриспруденцию


text:
戕害

Verb

 * 1)  to damage; to harm; to injure; to slay

title: 戕害


text: юриспруденцией

title: юриспруденцией


text:
datblygiad

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) development

title: datblygiad


text:
she-bitch

Noun

 * 1) A cruel and fearsome woman.

title: she-bitch


text: she bitch

title: she bitch


text:
лимнобиология

Noun

 * 1) limnobiology

title: лимнобиология


text: sāya

title: sāya


text:
limnobiologic

Adjective

 * 1) Of or related to limnobiology.

title: limnobiologic


text:
dylanwad

Etymology
[from ]

Noun

 * 1) influence

title: dylanwad


text: лимнобиологии

title: лимнобиологии


text: лимнобиологию

title: лимнобиологию


text: лимнобиологией

title: лимнобиологией


text: limnobiological

title: limnobiological


text:
jacarique

Adjective

 * 1)  jacaric

title: jacarique


text:
sinhogarismo

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) homelessness

title: sinhogarismo


text:
jacaric

Etymology
From, from whose seeds the acid was first obtained,.

Adjective

 * 1)  Relating to jacaric acid or its derivatives.

title: jacaric


text:
jacaric acid

Noun

 * 1)  The polyunsaturated fatty acid (8Z,10E,12Z)-octadeca-8,10,12-trienoic acid

title: jacaric acid


text:
sneha

Noun

 * 1) affection, love
 * 2) oil, fat

title: sneha


text:
жакет

Etymology
..

Noun

 * 1) jacket

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) jacket

title: жакет


text: jacassante

title: jacassante


text: jacassants

title: jacassants


text: jacassantes

title: jacassantes


text:
jachimovite

Noun

 * 1)  jachymovite

title: jachimovite


text:
jachymovite

Etymology
From Jáchymov in Bohemia,.

Noun

 * 1)  A basic uranyl sulfate found associated with dolomite

Translations

 * French:

title: jachymovite


text: жакета

title: жакета


text: жакету

title: жакету


text: jachérant

title: jachérant


text: jachéré

title: jachéré


text: jachérons

title: jachérons


text: jachérez

title: jachérez


text: jachèrent

title: jachèrent


text: jachérais

title: jachérais


text:
jachérer

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1) to plough fallow land

title: jachérer


text: jachérait

title: jachérait


text: jachérions

title: jachérions


text: jachériez

title: jachériez


text: jachéraient

title: jachéraient


text: jachérai

title: jachérai


text: jachéras

title: jachéras


text: jachéra

title: jachéra


text: jachérâmes

title: jachérâmes


text: jachérâtes

title: jachérâtes


text: jachérèrent

title: jachérèrent


text: жакетом

title: жакетом


text: jachérerai

title: jachérerai


text: jachèrerai

title: jachèrerai


text: jachéreras

title: jachéreras


text: jachèreras

title: jachèreras


text: jachérera

title: jachérera


text: jachèrera

title: jachèrera


text: jachérerons

title: jachérerons


text: jachèrerons

title: jachèrerons


text: jachérerez

title: jachérerez


text: jachèrerez

title: jachèrerez


text: jachéreront

title: jachéreront


text: jachèreront

title: jachèreront


text: jachérerais

title: jachérerais


text: jachèrerais

title: jachèrerais


text: jachérerait

title: jachérerait


text: jachèrerait

title: jachèrerait


text: jachérerions

title: jachérerions


text: jachèrerions

title: jachèrerions


text: jachéreriez

title: jachéreriez


text: jachèreriez

title: jachèreriez


text: jachéreraient

title: jachéreraient


text: jachèreraient

title: jachèreraient


text: jachérasse

title: jachérasse


text: jachérasses

title: jachérasses


text: jachérât

title: jachérât


text: jachérassions

title: jachérassions


text: jachérassiez

title: jachérassiez


text: jachérassent

title: jachérassent


text: жакете

title: жакете


text: жакеты

title: жакеты


text:
Talk:Aeschylus

Related RFD
In 2010, Xenocrates, Xenophanes, Xenophon, Xerxes, Zoilus, Zorro, Zhukov, and Zumbi were nominated for deletion in RFD as ""Specific individuals X–Z""; see. The discussion was archived to Talk:Xenocrates. --Dan Polansky (talk) 10:20, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:Aeschylus


text: жакетов

title: жакетов


text:
Talk:Anaxagoras

Related RFD
In 2010, Xenocrates, Xenophanes, Xenophon, Xerxes, Zoilus, Zorro, Zhukov, and Zumbi were nominated for deletion in RFD as "Specific individuals X–Z"; see. The discussion was archived to Talk:Xenocrates. --Dan Polansky (talk) 10:21, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:Anaxagoras


text: жакетам

title: жакетам


text:
Talk:Aristotle

Related RFD
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title: Talk:Aristotle


text: жакетами

title: жакетами


text: жакетах

title: жакетах


text:
Talk:Plato

Related RFD
In 2010, Xenocrates, Xenophanes, Xenophon, Xerxes, Zoilus, Zorro, Zhukov, and Zumbi were nominated for deletion in RFD as "Specific individuals X–Z"; see. The discussion was archived to Talk:Xenocrates. --Dan Polansky (talk) 10:22, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:Plato


text:
Talk:Socrates

Related RFD
In 2010, Xenocrates, Xenophanes, Xenophon, Xerxes, Zoilus, Zorro, Zhukov, and Zumbi were nominated for deletion in RFD as "Specific individuals X–Z"; see. The discussion was archived to Talk:Xenocrates. --Dan Polansky (talk) 10:23, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:Socrates


text:
paggharaṇa

Noun

 * 1) A dripping, trickling, oozing

title: paggharaṇa


text:
paggharati

Etymology
.

Verb

 * 1) To ooze, trickle, drip

Adjective

 * , present active participle of the verb above

title: paggharati


text:
Ragga

Etymology
Short form of "Ragnheiður", after Ragnheiður Jónsdóttir, who is depicted on the banknote.

Noun

 * 1) a five thousand Icelandic krónur banknote

title: Ragga


text:
lignosity

Noun

 * 1) The state or condition of being ligneous, or woody.
 * Tannins are related to lignosity, and thus are found mainly in woody plants.

title: lignosity


text: pavimita

title: pavimita


text:
purima

Adjective

 * 1) former, earlier

title: purima


text:
брошка

Noun

 * 1) brooch

title: брошка


text: JAC

title: JAC


text:
jaciste

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) a member of the

title: jaciste


text:
liguloid

Adjective

 * 1) shaped like a ligula

Translations

 * Russian: язычкообра́зный, язычкообра́зная, язычкообра́зное

title: liguloid


text:
samādhija

Adjective

 * 1) produced by concentration

title: samādhija


text:
брошь

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) brooch

title: брошь


text:
rahada

Noun

 * 1) lake

title: rahada


text:
udakarahada

Noun

 * 1) lake of water

title: udakarahada


text:
skogsstjärna

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1)  chickweed wintergreen
 * 2)  moonshine; privately distilled alcohol
 * 1)  moonshine; privately distilled alcohol

title: skogsstjärna


text:
lightskirt

Noun

 * 1)  A woman of lax behavior; a prostitute.
 * And now I want to know exactly what the lightskirt told you.
 * Ought to find a good lightskirt to keep you company.

title: lightskirt


text: lightskirts

title: lightskirts


text: light-skirt

title: light-skirt


text: light-skirts

title: light-skirts


text:
پشیلە

Noun

 * 1) cat

title: پشیلە


text:
обоняние

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) sense of smell, olfaction

title: обоняние


text:
light skirt

Noun

 * Paul would never be free of the sorrow of his first love, try as he might to satisfy himself with light skirt after light skirt.
 * From August to May, shorts and a light skirt are good fashion choices.
 * From August to May, shorts and a light skirt are good fashion choices.
 * From August to May, shorts and a light skirt are good fashion choices.

title: light skirt


text: light skirts

title: light skirts


text:
репей

Etymology
From. Equivalent to. Dialectally also known as 🇨🇬,, (possibly from 🇨🇬, ).

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) burdock
 * 2) bur
 * 1) bur

title: репей


text: itariago

title: itariago


text:
User:Gabriel Senekovic

vi:Tiêu bản:User fra-2

title: User:Gabriel Senekovic


text:
ロシアンルーレット

Etymology
Borrowed from, influenced by.

Noun

 * 1)  Russian roulette

title: ロシアンルーレット


text: Roshian rūretto

title: Roshian rūretto


text:
метрополия

Etymology
Ultimately from the.

Noun

 * 1) mother country
 * 2)  metropolis

title: метрополия


text:
løsrivelse

Noun

 * 1) secession
 * 2)  detachment
 * 1)  detachment
 * 1)  detachment

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  secession ( / from)

title: løsrivelse


text:
lienitis

Noun

 * 1)  inflammation of the spleen

Translations

 * Russian: ,

title: lienitis


text: løsrivelsen

title: løsrivelsen


text: løsrivelser

title: løsrivelser


text:
Talk:tužan

Etymology for learners
compare tužan and tugovati

title: Talk:tužan


text: løsrivelsene

title: løsrivelsene


text:
обгрызть

Verb

 * 1) to gnaw round

title: обгрызть


text:
обозреть

Verb

 * 1) to survey, to view, to look round
 * 2) to review, to overview

title: обозреть


text:
पौत्र

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) a son's son, grandson

title: पौत्र


text: Euripidi

title: Euripidi


text:
loi de la jungle

Noun

 * 1) law of the jungle

title: loi de la jungle


text:
jaźń

Etymology
from.

Noun

 * 1) self, ego

title: jaźń


text:
arbustif

Etymology
..

Adjective

 * 1)  having the shape and the size of a bush or a little tree

title: arbustif


text:
иволга

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) oriole

title: иволга


text:
āyamukha

Noun

 * 1) inflow, that which brings income

title: āyamukha


text:
liściowy

Adjective

 * 1)  leaf; foliate, foliar

title: liściowy


text:
løsrive

Verb

 * 1)  To secede
 * 2)  To detach one's attention from
 * 1)  To detach one's attention from
 * 1)  To detach one's attention from
 * 1)  To detach one's attention from

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1) to break away
 * 2) to detach (oneself)
 * 3) to tear oneself away ( / from)
 * 4) to secede ( / from)

title: løsrive


text:
āya

Noun

 * 1) income, profit

title: āya


text:
luźny

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) loose

title: luźny


text:
калория

Etymology
. Coined as a unit of heat by Nicolas Clément in the 19th century.

Noun

 * 1)  calorie amount of energy necessary to heat up 1g of water by 1°C

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) calorie

title: калория


text:
puratthima

Adjective

 * 1) eastern

title: puratthima


text:
Euripideus

Etymology
From the, from , whence.

Adjective

 * 1)  of Euripides

title: Euripideus


text:
Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/ne-

Prefix

 * 1) some
 * 2)  none

Descendants

 * South Slavic:
 * Croatian:
 * West Slavic:
 * West Slavic:

title: Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/ne-


text: løsriv

title: løsriv


text:
वमन

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) the act of vomiting
 * 2) an emetic
 * 3)  hemp
 * 1)  hemp

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) the act of vomiting
 * 2) emitting, emission
 * 3) ‘causing vomiting’, an emetic
 * 1) ‘causing vomiting’, an emetic

Noun

 * 1) hemp

title: वमन


text: løsriver

title: løsriver


text: løsrives

title: løsrives


text:
pacchima

Etymology
.

Adjective

 * 1) latest, hindmost, lowest, western

title: pacchima


text:
коль

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) Any hard fruiting body of a tree: cone; acorn; nut; catkin

title: коль


text: løsrev

title: løsrev


text: løsreiv

title: løsreiv


text:
kālenakālaṃ

Adverb

 * 1) from time to time

title: kālenakālaṃ


text: løsrevet

title: løsrevet


text: ezret

title: ezret


text:
müncheni

Adjective

 * Of, from, or pertaining to München.

Noun

 * 1) A person from München.

title: müncheni


text: megértése

title: megértése


text: megértéséhez

title: megértéséhez


text: брошки

title: брошки


text: gyermeknek

title: gyermeknek


text: брошке

title: брошке


text:
skotår

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) leap year

title: skotår


text: брошку

title: брошку


text: брошкой

title: брошкой


text:
anupavecchati

Verb

 * 1) To give, to give over to

Adjective

 * , present participle of the verb above

title: anupavecchati


text:
Εὐριπίδειος

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1)  of like Euripides

title: Εὐριπίδειος


text:
thù

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) a feud

Verb

 * 1) to detest

title: thù


text: брошкою

title: брошкою


text: брошек

title: брошек


text:
pavecchati

Verb

 * 1) To give

Adjective

 * , present participle of the verb above

title: pavecchati


text: брошкам

title: брошкам


text: брошками

title: брошками


text: брошках

title: брошках


text:
工課

Noun

 * 1)  work

title: 工課


text:
payacchati

Verb

 * 1) To offer, present, give

title: payacchati


text: броши

title: броши


text: fair-weather friends

title: fair-weather friends


text: Template:ro-noun-f-ia/documentation

title: Template:ro-noun-f-ia/documentation


text: брошью

title: брошью


text:
egyetértés

Noun

 * 1) agreement, concord, harmony, understanding, accord, concert, concurrence agreement of opinion, will, or action

title: egyetértés


text: Template:ro-noun-f-ia

title: Template:ro-noun-f-ia


text: брошей

title: брошей


text: брошам

title: брошам


text: брошами

title: брошами


text: брошах

title: брошах


text: обоняния

title: обоняния


text: másolatot

title: másolatot


text: обонянию

title: обонянию


text: обонянием

title: обонянием


text: обонянии

title: обонянии


text:
Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-09/Using macrons and breves for Ancient Greek in various places

Using macrons and breves for Ancient Greek in various places

 * Voting on:
 * Option 1:
 * The headword lines of Ancient Greek entries should show macrons ⟨ ¯ ⟩ and breves ⟨ ˘ ⟩ rather than avoid showing macrons and breves. For instance, the headword line of Εὐριπίδης should show Εὐρῑπῐ́δης.
 * Option 2:
 * Macrons: ⟨ ¯ ⟩ and breves: ⟨ ˘ ⟩ shall be used in all applicable instances, where vowel quantity is inferable, in these locations:
 * Ancient Greek headword lines;
 * Ancient Greek inflection tables;
 * Ancient Greek terms in all etymology sections; and,
 * Lists of (one or more) linked Ancient Greek terms in Related terms, Derived terms, Descendants, Synonyms, etc. sections.
 * This prescription shall not apply to page titles, quotations, and/or example sentences. Furthermore, this prescription shall not be taken to make the addition of terms without macrons and/or breves by a human a bad edit, but shall be taken to make the removal of macrons and/or breves by a human or a bot (for any reason other than that the information concerning vowel quantity conveyed by those macrons and/or breves be false or uninferrable) a bad edit.
 * Vote started: 00:00, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Vote ends: 23:59, 30 November 2015 (UTC) 23:59, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Vote created: Dan Polansky (talk) 13:58, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Vote amended:  — I.S.M.E.T.A. 00:23, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Discussion:
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Beer_parlour/2015/September
 * [[Image:Wikt rei-artur3.svg|20px]] Wiktionary talk:Votes/pl-2015-09/Using macrons and breves for Ancient Greek in various places

Support option 1

 * 1)  — I.S.M.E.T.A. 12:44, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 2)  this at least. We can't depend on the pronunciation section—not until, at least, we have a consistent way to denote hidden quantities. —ObsequiousNewt (εἴρηκα|πεποίηκα) 15:45, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * @ObsequiousNewt: We could use transliteration instead of pronunciation to mark length, couldn't we? So even if we do not want to rely on largely non-existent IPA pronunciation sections, and even if we believe they will not be provided any time soon, it should be real easy to extend transliteration with macrons and breves. --Dan Polansky (talk) 06:36, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yyyyes? I'm hesitant—because there's nothing necessarily obvious about why the vowel is transliterated/pronounced that way—not a huge concern, but eh. —ObsequiousNewt (εἴρηκα|πεποίηκα) 15:44, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * @ObsequiousNewt: Not sure I understand. Do you mean that the reader will see a disconnect between the form and its transliteration (macron in translit not driven by anything in the typography of the form), and will be confused by it? --Dan Polansky (talk) 16:11, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Essentially, yes. —ObsequiousNewt (εἴρηκα|πεποίηκα) 18:07, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Is it intended that transliterations will be added to accompany genitives in nominal declension lines, feminines and neuters in adjectival declension lines, and every form in declension and conjugation tables in order to convey this vowel-length information? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 00:10, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Do you intend to answer my question immediately above? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 15:37, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Oops. @ISMETA: My idea is that transliteration would be provided above all on the headword lines, as it currently is. I don't see the need to provide it anywhere else, but I don't oppose it either right now. Transliteration does not damage the typography of the forms being documented. In Option 1, it is the headword lines that are under discussion, anyway. --Dan Polansky (talk) 15:53, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Currently, only the lemma (nominative singular [masculine]; only displays the lemma) is transliterated in headwords. If you oppose macrae and brachiae generally, transliterations would need to be added to accompany genitives in nominal declension lines and to accompany feminines and neuters in adjectival declension lines; otherwise, how would we convey the vowel-length information? Yes, this section only concerns headword lines, but as you wrote in  (timestamp: 10:49, 10 October 2015), "[your] preferred option is to have no macrons anywhere for Ancient Greek", so the question of what to do about declension and conjugation tables does need to be addressed. We certainly could add transliterations to the forms in tables; technically speaking, all it requires is the addition of two more parameters per transclusion of  and  (though it might be more complicated in the case of ). — I.S.M.E.T.A. 16:54, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The length information would be conveyed in the transliteration in the dedicated entries for the inflected forms. Alternatively, inflection tables could feature transliteration, possibly as a tooltip shown on mouse hovering over. As yet another option, the forms with macrons and breves (not transliterations) could be placed to a tooltip to appear on a mouse hovering over, in inflection tables and elsewhere; thus, the information would be relatively quickly available everywhere, but not without a mouse hovering over the form. --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:29, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Entries for Ancient Greek non-lemmata are not customarily created. It would be yet another major change to editing convention. Would you run the bot to create them all? And besides all that, it significantly increases the amount of time it would take a reader to compare forms' vowel lengths. The tooltip idea is the first genuinely acceptable alternative you've suggested; can you flesh out the details for instituting such a system? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 19:58, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Re: "Entries for Ancient Greek non-lemmata are not customarily created": Not sure what you mean. The general practice in the English Wiktionary is to create entries for inflected forms. For some languages including Czech, the editors decided to focus on lemmas first. No, I would not run a bot to create them. As for tooltips and fleshing out details, I don't see what there is to flesh out: show the macron-free form without mouseover and show the macron-enhanced form with mouseover. As for the technology for tooltips, here is the use of : ; there does not need to be any underlining. And here's the same thing with : . --Dan Polansky (talk) 20:11, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Well then, perhaps ObsequiousNewt would be willing to work with you to build into, , , and the various headline templates. Do you like the idea, O.Newt? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 20:23, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Information in tooltips should be redundant since it's inaccessible for mobile viewers. Mobile views were apparently 36.47% of total Wikimedia page requests (including bots) in June 2015. Enosh (talk) 13:01, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Damn. There goes our first feasible compromise solution. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 13:32, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Probably, although if we can find a font that renders properly I'd prefer that instead. —ObsequiousNewt (εἴρηκα|πεποίηκα) 14:32, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * What do you think of this? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 21:44, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, if it could look like that, it would be great, but for me it does not display well. I'm almost certain this is a function of the browser, too, as I have tried manually overriding the font to several otherwise compatible options. Given that this isn't really a problem we can fix, I would defer using combining diacritics where possible. —ObsequiousNewt (εἴρηκα|πεποίηκα) 16:04, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 1)  just in case, but this is a poorly designed vote. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 21:24, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 2)  A good Ancient Greek dictionary should mark vowel length. Vowel length is phonemic, and essential for scanning poetry. Liddell, Scott, and Jones are inconsistent in marking it, but that's a deficiency on their part. (I got very frustrated with them when they didn't mention the long upsilon in ὑμεῖς at all!) No reason for Wiktionary to follow their bad example. As for only marking long vowels in the Latin transliteration or the IPA, that'll just be confusing. As a reader, I would wonder why Wiktionary refuses to write macrons on the Greek when books outside Wiktionary do. It's clunky how the rough breathing in ῡ̔μεῖς displays to the right of the vowel, but phonemic accuracy is worth the cost of typographical ugliness. — Eru·tuon 04:49, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Re: "books outside Wiktionary do": multiple but not all paper dictionaries do, while publications of actual writings mostly don't. For details, see the talk page of this vote. --Dan Polansky (talk) 05:59, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I was being quite unclear. I mean some books outside of Wiktionary do: for instance, Hansen and Quinn's Intensive Greek Course, which I learned my Classical Greek from. They mark long vowels with macrons fairly consistently. That probably prepared me for reading Homer later on. Yeah, I haven't seen an edition of a text that uses macrons; my volume of the first twelve books of the Odyssey doesn't. It makes it harder to scan the meter, because you have to guess at which vowels are long and which are short. Anyway, my point is that when books mark vowel length, they mark it on the Greek. It's weird to suggest only marking it on the transliteration. — Eru·tuon 21:31, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * BTW FWIW there's hardly any ugliness for me in ῡ̔μεῖς; the rough breathing is centered over the macron, just as it is in ὑμεῖς. The only difference is that in the former case I see a reversed apostrophe if I zoom in, rather than a small c-like mark, but it's barely noticeable at normal font size. I see the same in Chrome and Safari; this is on Mac OS X 10.9, which may be the underlying reason. Benwing2 (talk) 01:01, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Could it be that someone has fixed the font problem? That is wonderful news and augurs well for the future, if so. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 01:30, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Huh, I'm using Chrome on Windows 10 and the rough breathing displays to the right of the upsilon. Perhaps Apple or a different font is the thing that fixes the problem. It would be nice to figure it out, so that that information could be provided to readers on a help page. — Eru·tuon 05:51, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Is this the relevant font list? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 13:10, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Considering MediaWiki:Common.css, the font in question is presumably one or more of DejaVu Sans, Athena, Gentium, Palatino Linotype, Arial Unicode MS, Lucida Sans Unicode, Lucida Grande, and/or Code2000. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 13:19, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I checked using "Inspect Element" under Chrome; there's a piece of info in the lower right that says "Rendered Font", and it says "Helvetica" for the entire paragraph including ῡ̔μεῖς. I see essentially the same behavior under Safari (also Mac OS X 10.9) so this is probably indeed a Mac thing. BTW I checked to see what the output would be for really weird characters; for the following h1 header, the result is "Georgia" for the 8 glyphs including "Editing ", and "Free Mono" for the 4 Umbrian glyphs: Editing 𐌊𐌀𐌓𐌖 Benwing2 (talk) 14:57, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the information. Would you mind uploading a screenshot of how your browser(s) display(s) User:I'm so meta even this acronym/Test and then posting the image(s) herein, please? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 14:22, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, here we go: Benwing2 - macron-with-breathing-mark.png
 * Benwing2 (talk) 23:14, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. That doesn't look bad at all. (FWIW, I only see the apostrophe-type psile on my screen.) Could you upload the screenshot of my user-subpage that I linked to, please? I'd like to see how each of the letters is handled, and especially the capitals. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 23:30, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, didn't read your previous posting clearly enough. Here it is: Benwing2 - ISMETA-test.png
 * Benwing2 (talk) 00:16, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * That's great; thank you very much. I see that positioning above isn't perfect, but it's a damn sight better than positioning to the right at the top of the line. The capitals are still problematic, because even if it is deemed unnecessary that macrae and brachiae be positioned to the left at the top of the line, the breathing marks really have to appear there. Still, that's an improvement. One last screen-shooting request: I've added a third line of characters to ISMETA/Test (the ones beneath the separator line, which have three diacritics each); would you mind taking a screenshot of those, and then uploading the image herein, please? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 12:28, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Very sorry to take so long! Here it is: Benwing2 - ISMETA - test Nov 10.png If you have any more requests I'll be happy to upload them. Benwing2 (talk) 22:28, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated. That's pretty much what I expected it would look like — i.e., pretty damn ugly. Still, at least it's fairly clear what all the diacritics are, so it's a functional improvement, even if it isn't much of an aesthetic one. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 03:35, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated. That's pretty much what I expected it would look like — i.e., pretty damn ugly. Still, at least it's fairly clear what all the diacritics are, so it's a functional improvement, even if it isn't much of an aesthetic one. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 03:35, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Oppose option 1

 * 1)  Superfluous to pronunciation section, and making accents groups less legible, sometimes illegible. Also, macrons and breves could be added to transliteration if the info they provide is so cherished, without typographically damaging the form being documented. For more, see my post at option 2. --Dan Polansky (talk) 07:06, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Abstain about option 1

 * — Option 2 has the effect of option 1 and more; however, I wish to avoid the legislative irregularity of having both options enacted with overlapping effect. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 00:22, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
 * @I.S.M.E.T.A.: There would be no irregularity. Option 2 is stronger; if both options pass, both come into effect without any collision. --Dan Polansky (talk) 11:22, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * What happens if option 1 fails and option 2 passes? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 11:58, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * In that case, option 2 comes into effect. From the posts to option 2, the closer of the vote will have enough evidence to determine the actual voter stance toward option 1. That is the advantage of actually having comments rather than bare "supports" and "opposes". When you look at it, Wiktionary votes are just great. --Dan Polansky (talk) 12:11, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * By the way, I preferred to have a separate vote as per Wiktionary talk:Votes/pl-2015-09/Using macrons and breves for Ancient Greek in various places. There, I told you I found a separate vote better, yet you went on to expand the present vote. But again, the present vote is okay, and I urge you to support option 1 as well to make it even more straightforward for the closing admin. --Dan Polansky (talk) 12:17, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 12:46, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

 * 1)  It should either be option 1 or 2, or neither. Having both of these voted concurrently is like asking whether we should put cheese or Edam on a sandwich. — JohnC5 01:06, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 2)  This vote is superfluous because as the various discussions show, the editors of Ancient Greek reached a consensus on this issue about a year and a half ago. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 19:03, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 3) This is true, but I was actually going to bring this issue up again if Dan hadn't, as I had been having second thoughts. So, not really superfluous in the end. —ObsequiousNewt (εἴρηκα|πεποίηκα) 16:03, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * , is already the status quo. No change is proposed by this vote. —CodeCat 20:11, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I point the reader to Wiktionary talk:Votes/pl-2015-09/Using macrons and breves for Ancient Greek in various places for discussion on what is the status quo ante. --Dan Polansky (talk) 11:22, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Support option 2

 * 1)  as proposer of option 2. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 00:22, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 2)  — JohnC5 01:06, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 3)  (although I sympathise with the newt, I'd rather have standardisation than maximal cleanliness). —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 19:39, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You know, it probably would look bad to exclude one or two sections, wouldn't it. Very well. I revise my vote to [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|20px|link=]] support futue id, I have no idea universally. That said, we need to bring up this issue cross-linguistically. —ObsequiousNewt (εἴρηκα|πεποίηκα) 19:50, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * IFYPFY. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 11:17, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * @Μετάknowledge: Can you clarify why the issue at hand is standardization? If we standardize on constraining macros and breves to headword lines, that is a standardization, right? --Dan Polansky (talk) 06:38, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It is, but it's obviously not the standardisation that I prefer. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 06:47, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * But you said "I'd rather have standardisation than maximal cleanlines" as a reason. Your response does not match that. --Dan Polansky (talk) 06:59, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 1)  I agree that this is a poorly designed vote. Benwing2 (talk) 06:23, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * @Benwing2: I see nothing in the way of rationale. How do you deal with the fact that the combinations with macrons and breves look real bad, sometimes to the point of being illegible, as per the oppose section listing examples of such combinations? --Dan Polansky (talk) 06:27, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * This already seems to be the consensus. That 's why I think this is a poor vote. In general I think including proper vowel length markings in the Greek is a good idea and the right thing to do. The combinations of accents and macrons look totally fine to me; perhaps this is just how they're displayed in Chrome but in any case we shouldn't compromise correctness just to deal with some browser flaws. Benwing2 (talk) 19:18, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * This already seems to be the consensus. That 's why I think this is a poor vote. In general I think including proper vowel length markings in the Greek is a good idea and the right thing to do. The combinations of accents and macrons look totally fine to me; perhaps this is just how they're displayed in Chrome but in any case we shouldn't compromise correctness just to deal with some browser flaws. Benwing2 (talk) 19:18, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Oppose option 2

 * Oppose: I would limit it to the closed set of etymology, headword, inflection, derived terms, related terms. Maybe add etymology and descendants sections from other (non-AG) pages into that set. This is to say that I oppose marking length in *nym and see-also sections, and on other pages. (Also in anagrams sections, although Ancient Greek doesn't seem to have any—yet.) My reason for opposing usage in those sections largely is due to the fact that I see no advantage in marking length in those places, and a slight disadvantage in that length marking is less clean-looking. —ObsequiousNewt (εἴρηκα|πεποίηκα) 16:03, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

 * 1)  My preferred option is to have no macrons anywhere for Ancient Greek. Since, unlike traditional dictionaries, we have pronunciation sections, the macrons and breves are inessential. They do not appear in the material that we look at for attesting quotations. They do not apply to Koine Greek (see discussion page of this vote). And they make the accent groups above letters less legible and discernible, especially in case of multiple accents: see ᾰ̓ ᾰ̔ ᾰ́ ᾱ̓ ᾱ̔ ᾱ́ Ᾰ̓ Ᾰ̔ Ᾱ̓ Ᾱ̔ ῐ̓ ῐ̔ ῐ́ ῐ̈ ῑ̓ ῑ̔ ῑ́ ῑ̈ Ῐ̓ Ῐ̔ Ῑ̓ Ῑ̔ ῠ̓ ῠ̔ ῠ́ ῡ̓ ῡ̔ ῡ́ ῠ̈ ῡ̈ Ῠ̓ Ῠ̔ Ῡ̓ Ῡ̔, (three diacritics) ᾰ̓́ ᾰ̔́ ᾱ̓́ ᾱ̔́ Ᾰ̓́ Ᾰ̔́ Ᾱ̓́ Ᾱ̔́ ῐ̓́ ῐ̔́ ῑ̓́ ῑ̔́ ῐ̈́ ῑ̈́ Ῐ̓́ Ῐ̔́ Ῑ̓́ Ῑ̔́ ῠ̓́ ῠ̔́ ῡ̓́ ῡ̔́ ῠ̈́ ῡ̈́ Ῠ̓́ Ῠ̔́ Ῡ̓́ Ῡ̔́  kindly collected on the talk page by ObsequiousNewt. But if we must have these macrons and breves at least somewhere, that should be on headword lines and not everywhere, including derived terms, English etymologies, etc. Another alternative is to place macros and breves to romanizations, where they supply the same information without the need to learn IPA, and do not disturb the typography of the form being documented. See also the talk page of the vote for supplementary information. --Dan Polansky (talk) 10:49, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * See, and after all this time, I'm still swayed by this option, because after all, it does look terrible. The argument that "it should be added to derived terms because it sometimes changes"—well, so does meaning, but we don't typically add that, and Dan's solution of putting it in just the transliteration actually seems to me to be a really good idea. I'd still definitely leave it in the headword and the inflection (the latter of which kind of precludes the LSJ-style of avoiding bad combining diacritics that I would espouse using), and I wouldn't exclude it altogether from unlinked terms in the etymology (e.g. intermediate forms, perhaps where a vowel has been lengthened by some process). Maybe someday if the fonts improve, I would prefer using length marks everywhere, as then the main argument against them is no longer a problem, but, until then... I find myself quite undecided on the whole matter. (Certainly I would prefer this argument in terms of the amount of work it saves me, but that's not a good reason for anything.) —ObsequiousNewt (εἴρηκα|πεποίηκα) 15:41, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Marking variable vowel lengths in transcriptions only is also problematic. Benwing only fairly recently ran a bot to eliminate a great many manual transcriptions; we would need to put them back, and restart adding them as standard. The main display problems involve capitals and/or breathing marks; length marks combine OK with the oxia and baria on minuscules. ⟨ Ᾰ Ᾱ Ῐ Ῑ Ῠ Ῡ ⟩ already display improperly, anyway — the macra/brachia should be positioned at the top of the line to the left of the letter (like all the other diacritics when they appear on capitals), not above it. When I learn how to design fonts, this is a ubiquitous display problem that I intend to tackle. Until then, there is always the factor that, the more visible a display problem is, the more likely it is that it will be fixed by developers; perhaps our use of all these combining diacritics will accelerate the pertinent improvement of these fonts. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 15:48, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * ⟨ Ᾰ Ᾱ Ῐ Ῑ Ῠ Ῡ ⟩ look okay to me, with macrons and breves appearing above the tops of the letters, on an analogy to Czech Á or Č, where I am used to and expect the diactitics to appear above the top lines of letters. It may not be according to someone's standard, but is perfectly legible and good looking. --Dan Polansky (talk) 15:57, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Re: "the macra/brachia should be positioned at the top of the line to the left of the letter (like all the other diacritics when they appear on capitals), not above it": Let me list also some other diacritics above capital A, collected from Latin-1 Supplement (Unicode block): À, Á, Â, Ã, Ä. On my font and screen, all the diacritics appear above the letter, for non-A letters as well. My printed copy of GÖDEL, ESCHER, BACH has Ö such that the diacritic is above the letter. Therefore, the commented statement seems false. --Dan Polansky (talk) 16:20, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * He's saying so because the other diacritics are always on the upper left (e.g. Ἆ)—but this is hardly necessary for the macron and breve, which weren't used anyway (true, Woodhouse marks them thusly, but it's not necessary.) —ObsequiousNewt (εἴρηκα|πεποίηκα) 18:05, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Abstain about option 2

 * 1)  This vote is superfluous because as the various discussions show, the editors of Ancient Greek reached a consensus on this issue about a year and a half ago. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 19:03, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
 * @Aɴɢʀ Please provide the links to the discussion of a year and a half ago from which we can see the consensus. --Dan Polansky (talk) 10:41, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The fact that Ancient Greek editors started adding macrons (and sometimes breves) to entries about a year and a half ago, and that other Ancient Greek editors did not revert those changes but started doing the same thing themselves is evidence of consensus. Wiktionary is not a bureaucracy; not everything requires a discussion if everyone finds themselves in agreement with what's going on, and if there is a discussion and consensus emerges from it, no vote is necessary. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 10:49, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Re: "as the various discussions show, the editors of Ancient Greek reached a consensus on this issue about a year and a half ago": You say that various discussions show something; is that true or did you err in this case? --Dan Polansky (talk) 10:51, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 1)  Vowel length (i.e., writing macrons and breves) is only sometimes relevant for etymology, declension, and derived terms (etc.). It is relevant when you're writing out the declension of nouns like, where the final alpha is either long or short depending on case and number form; not so much for nouns like , where the long alpha is in the stem. And vowel length is relevant for the etymology section of , where the Doric form  is listed: this Doric form has a long alpha, because it's the original form that was changed by the famous Attic vowel shift of long alpha to eta. The entry currently doesn't give the Doric form with a macron over the alpha, but it should. In short, editors should be allowed to add vowel length to etymologies, declensions, and other areas of an entry where it is relevant. I would support a modified version of Option 2 that allows, not requires, writing vowel length outside of the headword of an entry.  — Eru·tuon 04:49, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Please n.b. the last sentence of option 2, viz. “…this prescription shall not be taken to make the addition of terms without macrons and/or breves by a human a bad edit, but shall be taken to make the removal of macrons and/or breves by a human or a bot…a bad edit”, which I take to be essentially equivalent to your “allows, not requires” condition. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 16:54, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * So you're saying Option 2 doesn't require addition of macrons and breves? If so, it's very badly phrased when it says "macrons and breves shall be used in all applicable instances...". Should say "Macrons and breves may be used...". Either that or I don't speak Bureaucratese well enough. — Eru·tuon 21:37, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I was trying to write a proposal that was immune from intentional misinterpretation; obviously I failed (it's not even immune from unintentional misinterpretation), but there's no need for snark. Option 2 says that length marks should be used in all those various places, but that it's OK for a human editor to add new content that lacks length marks, but that no one is allowed to remove length marks, unless the length marks convey incorrect or unknowable information. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 22:01, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * My apologies; I didn't realize you had designed Option 2 (I can't keep track of all the discussion on the talk page) and I could be a little more tactful. Thanks for the explanation of what you intended with the wording. What you say sounds reasonable, but still I'm confused by the wording, so my abstention has to stand. I would support a reworded and clearer version of Option 2 that reflects your intentions as you've explained them here. — Eru·tuon 05:48, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries. :-) It's somewhat frowned upon to alter vote texts after voting begins. I'd need to obtain unanimous consent from those in favour before doing so. : Would you be OK with my rewriting the vote text of option 2 to make its meaning clearer? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 14:15, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Fine by me. — JohnC5 15:16, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * This is fine by me too. Benwing2 (talk) 03:32, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * ? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 03:39, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * No complaints here. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 20:05, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * 1)  as not knowledgeable enough about our Ancient Greek entry editing in general, just commenting though to note that at minimum macrons in etymology sections would be welcome. (I am more hesitant about breves — macron/no macron should be legible enough?) -Tropylium (talk) 21:04, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Decision

 * Option 1 passes 4‒1‒3 (80% of non-abstainers voting in support). — I.S.M.E.T.A. 02:06, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Option 2 passes 4‒1‒3 (80% of non-abstainers voting in support). — I.S.M.E.T.A. 02:06, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Because of the universally acknowledged hash that has been made of this vote (for which I readily take the lion's share of the blame), there will probably need to be another vote to supersede this one in the near future. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 02:06, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Why should there be another vote? Looks like a clear consensus to me. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 02:08, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hardly. There was a large amount of discussion, not all of which was resolved; several options were proposed during the vote, and multiple people expressed complaints that the vote was oddly designed. Personally, I would like to propose a vote designed along the lines of my comments on the talk page, but not until after we're sure we've looked at all the options. Of course, this could also be the sore loser in me talking. —ObsequiousNewt (εἴρηκα|πεποίηκα) 13:58, 8 December 2015 (UTC)