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Quebec
I subdivided the ultra-long Timeline of Quebec history as inspired by Timeline of United States history. As this timeline will obviously only get longer as more events are added, I thought it made sense to do it now. On 3 occasions, User:Angelique has reverted to a previous version of hers to remove it. I am beginning to think that this "new" user is a hard banned one under a new name. She saw me get angry and insult another user on Quebecois so I think she is trying to push me to do the same to boot me out. User:Adam Bishop thinks the same. If she has objections, she can discuss them like User:Tremblay, User:Adam Bishop and I do. She has been giving hell to all of us for a while now. Is is possible for your to try to reason with her? Whatever happens, thank you. -- Mathieugp 14:35, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Angelique's user page
I posted your comments on my page not "out of context" but verbatim. I did so because Mathieugp deleted them so as to cover up his conduct. Angelique 15:14, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * What are you talking about this time? I am really not following. Explain to me (and Angela I guess) in which way I am involved in your copying her comments? -- Mathieugp 16:24, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Two things: 1) If you read my page you would see that User:Mathieugp has continued his personal attacks, and 2) while I respect your objection, anything, anyone writes at Wikipedia is copyable. You do not have the right to restrict my page, particularly where an individuals conduct is a valid part of any ongoing matters. I am using your comments as a Wikipedia Administrator, to defend myself from attacks. That, is perfectly proper. Angelique 15:26, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Plan dalet
I guess I didn't then. Just that I had such a strange deja vu-feeling so I was almost sure.. Oh well thanks. BL 22:01, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Where is Stevertigo?
Hey, d'you know what happened to sv? Did I miss a "so long and thanks for all the fish" post to the mailing list or something? -- Cyan 23:35, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * Thanks. -- Cyan 01:12, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Angelique
I was starting to wonder about that user... how did you verify Angelique's IP? P.S. The "encyclopedic" comment on VfU was supposed to go on Cunc's talk page. I somehow posted it to the wrong page. $#!t. -- Cyan 04:00, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Book of Mormon help request
Angela, you are a popular lady, but can I get a little help from you? I (with a few others) am having a very hard time understanding a point Eloquence User_talk:Eloquence is trying to make regarding the Book of Mormon page. You can skim the Book of Mormon Controversies topic on that page. I think she/he is trying to say that it is anti-NPOV to have a separate page for controversies. Others of us are saying that without a separate page, controversies were burying the topic, and that the controversies page is NPOV because both apologetics and critics are relegated back there, with "just the facts" reserved for the main page. Hawstom

Does Wikipedia fix links automatically?
Dear Angela,

Does wikipedia fix links automatically? and if so, how long will it take? Jack Zhang

 * Dear Angela,

 * Me again, I was talking about the links where it doesn't exist then it exists but it links you to the edit page. Do those get automatically fixed?

 * Jack Zhang

You protected 'The Wrong Version' of Lower Silesia
Lower Silesia The English Wikipedia use English names, that is, Oder, not Odra (see Talk:Oder River). 24.2.xxx is a vandal. He has also removed information about the German part of the region, and inserted a map of Lower Silesian Voivodship, when the article is dealing with the general entity, also the German parts. Please revert to the last edit by Daniel Quinlan. -- Nico 22:42, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * I object to reverting to the last edit by Daniel. It will show a bias. And the only thing Nico dosent like in that Page is that its not spreading his POV. 24.2.152.139 22:45, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)

MediaWiki:opentask
Can I convince you to transclude Template:opentask in your welcome messages? I think it should be msg'd, so that users can always check their talk pages to see new stuff to do, and that we can update it quickly if the tasks get completed.—Eloquence 22:55, Dec 12, 2003 (UTC)

 * I guess that means yes? ;-)—Eloquence

BR
I can change it back. 640×480 is just the default on the school machines, and I was too lazy to change it when I logged in to check my messages. -- Pakaran 23:39, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Superquiz
Thank you for taking care of the SUPERQUIZ thing. I didn't know what to do (I suspected copyright violation, but did not have the time to check) I did, however, have the time to enhance your stub image. Enjoy! Greenmountainboy 03:10, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Thank you
Angela, thank you for your integrity and your energy. you help keep wikipedia together. Kingturtle 03:34, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Hi
Hi I'm new at this so I don't know exactly what is going on, so please bear with me. :-) Barik

Where is your photo?? :-DDDD MAC

 * huh?

Jean Chrétien
Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien's domestic and foreign policies - It appears that someone created this and didn't bother to put any text into it. But I believe that any text that might be added to this entry would really belong in the page for Jean Chrétien. The same applies to the blank entries of Domestic and Foreign Policies of Prime Minister Jean Chrétien and Domestic and Foreign Policies of Jean Chrétien. What do you think? - Denelson83 18:21, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

What's wrong with Meta
There is lively discussion of policy issues on the mailing list. There is lively discussion of policy issues on talk pages on en, and in places like the pump and vfd. With few exceptions, there has not been in recent times anything approaching lively discussion of policy issues on the meta. Few people follow the meta closely; that is, few follow recentchanges there or have watchlists that they check with any frequency. So, not a great place to move something when further discussion is the goal.

Louis Kyu Won Ryu 20:53, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Blocking signed in users
Angela, I've looked all over the place and can't find the procedure for blocking a signed in user. Can you point me to the right place? RickK 21:42, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Quitting Wikipedia for a whole 3 hours
What about a relaxing wiki-experience such as giving your opinion to the Brilliant prose refreshing? All the best, Muriel Victoria 17:07, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Oops, well at least that means you won't ban me for reverting your page :-) (that was a joke) Greenmountainboy 19:50, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I have seen your comments on irc :-)

I feel proud :-) But for two tiny anon edits to help two people, I have quit fr for 2.5 days. I quit taking care of the french ml, I actually do not receive its mails any more, and have not looked at archives. I have looked at fr rcs only twice today :-)

2.5 days. Everything is possible :-)

Maybe I could even consider to quit drinking as well :-)

burned out...

look deeply for a good while with total lack of responsability. No one to ban, no one to block, no one to revert, no copyright hunting, no npov hunting, no Académie Française hunting. No scream, no complain, no one to tell me that I am supposed to be nice because I am a moderator. No, these days, I do not feel a moderator in the least.

Too tired. Look for quiet editing times with no responsabilities :-) Freedom. It is just too heavy. And frankly, the past 2 months personnal rewards did not compensate this. You understand what I mean ? :-)

Why should all dates be links?
Why do you think that all dates in an article should be links? Other people agree, but I have yet to see any reasoning. See also: Wikipedia talk:Make only links relevant to the context —Noldoaran (Talk) 23:19, Dec 13, 2003 (UTC)

 * I never thought about the "what links here" page. That makes sence, thanks. —Noldoaran (Talk) 23:32, Dec 13, 2003 (UTC)

 * One more thing. Should only the first occurance of a date be linked, or every occurence? —Noldoaran (Talk) 23:43, Dec 13, 2003 (UTC)

Canceling account
Thanks for the answer about my canceling account question. Xah P0lyglut 00:17, 2003 Dec 14 (UTC)

Holy Avenger
Angela, what do you think of Holy Avenger? Cheers. Doidimais Brasil 01:22, Dec 14, 2003 (UTC)

Reverting vandalism
Angela, are the anonymous vandal's edits on Tiny Toon Adventures something to be reverted or not? ugen64 02:14, Dec 14, 2003 (UTC)
 * Angela (and you) did the right thing reverting him there. We auto-revert signed-in users who've behaved much less badly than this. -- Finlay McWalter 02:26, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)

==You protected 'The Wrong Version' of History of Greek and Roman Egypt=

By freezing History of Greek and Roman Egypt in the form Jiang is trying to impose on it, you are effectively taking his side in this dispute. This I greatly resent. This is not a dispute about the content of the article (about which Jiang knows nothing), but about his opinion that it looks better a particular way rather than some other way. This is entitely a matter of judgement, and his opinion is no better or worse than mine (although I do have a degree in graphic design). The fact is that some designs look better on some browsers and some look better on others. I doubt the readers care very much. If Jiang ever actually contributed anything to this project I might not get so annoyed at his obsessive interference with articles I have contributed, but so far as I can see he is nothing but a professional pest. I request that you put the article back the way it was the way before Jiang started messing with it and then protect it. The same situation is obviously arising with Hippodrome of Constantinople. I think Jiang is now working his way through the articles at my homepage as a form of harassment. Adam 05:02, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * Adam, you're paranoid. No one here is out to molest you. Having your work edited what this encyclopedia is about. This is unacceptable formatting . If you feel your view of my version is worse, then provide a screenshot and let a third party be a judge or let us come up with a compromise. No one knows what you're complaining about if you dont provide evidence. I've provided mine so mine should stay. --Jiang | Talk 05:06, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * Whatever the policy and whatever your intention, freezing the page at the "Jiang version" rewards his vexatious campaign against pages I have written and encourages him to continue. It is stuff like this that drives serious contributors away from this project. Adam 05:36, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * No it doesn't because it makes no difference as it isn't a permanent protection. It'll only be there until the two of you calm down enough to stop reverting. I can't believe the placement of a photograph would drive away serious contributors. Angela.

I have contributed something like 200 articles to this project. (How many has Jiang contributed, by the way?) Every day I look at my Watchlist and I see 10, 15, 20 edits other people have made. Maybe 25% of these are minor copyediting changes, most of which are needed, since I am far from a perfect typist. But most of the rest are frivolous, vexatious, pedantic, incorrect, illiterate, ungrammatical, polemical, tendentious and/or malicious, and have to be reverted. If articles are not watched over constantly, they always deteriorate over time through this kind of harmful editing. This is why serious contributors eventually drift away, and why WP will never be a real encyclopaedia until it allows articles to be declared finished and protected from further edits except through some sort of formal process. Adam 05:52, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Holy Avenger
I think that the use of Image:Qholyavenger1.jpg in Holy Avenger and similar images are fair use in an article about the publication. We can't replace the publication and our articles are basically reviews of them. That's enough to swing the question in our favor, IMO. There's a potential issue because single cells of comic books have value as individual artwork pieces but for those things, our images are both thumbnails and increase the awareness of the unreduced frame, hence its likely market value. It's helpful to always have a link to the web site of the publication because that will also tend to help sales. As a useful side-effect, publications which check links to their site and want to object will find out about us and are likely to object before there's a print edition, while we're still protected by the CDA and OCILLA. I'll write to Doidimais Brasil about this and ask that he provides the information we need.

On the Disney images over in copyvio - I think the risk is too high and want them gone even though I think one or two of the non-wallpaper ones are fair use. Disney items are generally not worth using, just because of their baseless suits against fair use of their works. Jamesday 06:23, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Please comment your reverts
You did the following in the Economics article: 04:52, 13 Dec 2003. . Angela (Reverted to last edit by Galizia)

Unfortunately, I do not see why you made the revert. 142.177. seems to be making a valid attempt to improve the article and your comment gives no reason as to why it should be reverted. If you reverted it because it is a fairly substantial reorganization by a user that is not logged in you should say so. I have unreverted it because there was no reason and it does not appear to be a vandalism. I request that you please explain your reverts in the future if they are not obviously vandalism. Jrincayc 15:08, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * The reason no edit summary is given is because I used the rollback button, which automatically inserts the words reverted to last edit by ... and marks the revert as minor. The reason the revert was made is because User:142.177.etc is a hard banned user. If hard banned users attempt to circumvent their ban and continue editing, the general guideline is to auto-revert them. It's just a way of enforcing the ban when IP blocks don't work. Having said that, if you feel the content is useful, there is nothing stopping you reinserting it. In fact, some articles by this user, which would otherwise have been deleted, have been "kidnapped" by Cyan so that other users feeling the content is useful can repost it under their own name. There's a list of them at User:Cyan/kidnapped if you're interested. There are more details of the ban of this user under his other login names at User:Mediator/ban and User:EntmootsOfTrolls/ban. Angela. 15:44, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * I severely disagree with that. You did not comment on the User:142.177.92.201 comment page.  You did not appear to examine the edits to determine their worth to wikipedia.  You have no evidence that this is the banned user, other than the fact that they have the same isp as EntmootsOfTrolls. Both the edits to Economics and the edits to Ecosystem have been reverted back to 142.177.92.201's edit.  If you have any evidence that this is EntmootsOfTrolls, and not someone else at the same ISP, you did not publicly put that up.  If I see that you continue to rollback other's reasonable attempts at contributing with out any comment what so ever to them and no solid connection to a banned user, I will request that you have your Sysop status removed.  Jrincayc 21:27, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * I apologize for getting out of hand. I should not have used BS as an edit summary. While you have not directly stated that "all edits from an ISP that has had a banned user are to be considered edits from the banned user", so far as I can tell, the only evidence that you have about 142.177.92.201 being EntmootsOfTrolls, is that they are from the same ISP. Therefore, from my point of view, it seems that you are operating under the assumtion "all edits from an ISP that has had a banned user are to be considered edits from the banned user." If I am mistaken, I would like to hear why I am mistaken on this point. Again, I apologize for getting out of hand and being uncivil. Jrincayc 23:56, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * Additional comments : in spite of what Angela says, User:Mediator is not hold by the banned user any more, so there is no sense in removing what has been written by that user. Besides, reverting good edits by banned users is controversial. Feel free to revert any edits you think are relevant. thanks PomPom

The Mediator and Ant
Hello Angela

I would rather appreciate that you do not list User:Mediator has being one of the user name held by 142, since that is untrue. This is a fact he is not that user any more, and that is also being unnice to me, because it reminds me that my attempts to discuss mediation brought me nothing be being blocked by Jimbo. ant

 * thanks. Plus the page in question does not bring the slightest information on the topic :-)

This archive does not include comments by Ec about Wikisource. Those should have been at Wikisource, and some have been moved to User_talk:Eclecticology, or attacks on Jiang by Adam Carr, as my talk page is not the place for a fight. See this revsision for the uncut version.

Strange goings on at VfD
195.56.187.125 is doing slightly strange things to VfD. I can mention these when I see them, but if he creates a user account I can no longer identify the IP address. I understand that sysops can see IP addresses - can I ask you to keep an eye out, assuming it doesn't take much time? Failing that, nominate someone else I can ask? Onebyone 18:05, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Harvey Ball
thanks for writing such a grand article about harvey ball! Kingturtle 00:18, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * thanks for the help. I appreciate it. :-) Greenmountainboy 00:41, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

APH photos
Re Kevin Rudd and the photo thereat: I now have an email from AUSPIC, the Australian Parliamentary photo agency, advising me that photos at the Australian Parliament website are not copyright and may be freely used for non-commercial purposes. I have therefore restored the photo. Adam 01:13, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Having too much fun
feel free to remove my Brenden Matthews page. I got a little carried away, what can i say.

- User:Bdiddy

On splitting
Where do you get the idea that splitting an article that is less than 20KB is bad? --The Cunctator 07:08, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

URL linking convention
I was wondering if there are any specific rules in terms of providing links, because i like to provide links to data information i have. I've noticed on some pages the links are included into the article, and on others they are listed at the bottom. What would you say is appropriate? Thanks. --bdiddy 08:10, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

UTF-8 at English pages and Description of Serbian Language
Hello,

It would be very useful if you (or someone who is responsable for that) move English pages move to UTF-8 encoding. In this moment I have to write non Latin-1 characters into some other editor, and then to submit it to Wikipedia.

Also, my intention with Description of Serbian Language was to invite other people to write this document with me. It is a long term work and I don't think that it would be done in the near future. But, I thought it is possible to develope it on Wikipedia openly.

I think that the best idea is to write several pages in my user space and then to publish and to keep on with developing. Is it OK? Millosh

Nico v. WolfgangPeters
about Nico. He posted few revisionists sentences on the different talk pages. Examples: ''Even the migrants must be considered expellees, since their homeland was under occupation and Germans generally was discriminated and threatened in these areas.  Source User talk:Nico I thought it would be correct to name them expellees, as that is what they name themselves. When they emigrated, Germany had not recognised the current borders. But do as you want. And in any event, what is wrong with considering East Prussia rightfully German, in accordance with international law (the Geneva protocols states: "It is illegal to permanently keep land militarily taken over and to expell and to replace the inhabitants")'' -- Nico 01:43, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC) Source Talk:Landsmannschaft Ostpreussen He claims in Wikipedia, that some Polish or Russian areas, are rightfully German and are under occupation. Do we want to start again border disputes in Europe?? WolfgangPeters

 * I actually don't see what is "revisionistic" with these sentences. I just stated a fact: The (West-)German government actually considered these areas "occupied" when the people we are talking about emigrated. And it's not just "revionists" who thinks East Prussia should return to Germany. There are even Russians who thinks that. And after all, this is also just my private opinions, not what I write in any articles. Nico 13:14, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * Based on, what you stated yourself, it seems to be irresponsible to give you the rights to edit articles in Wikipedia. Attempt to violate existing borders is a crime in every state. WolfgangPeters

Why have he moved these comments to you, Angela? Is it a campaign? Btw, User:Maximus Rex just told me that "WolfgangPeters" is the user GH/AM, or 145.254.xxx, a "Polish nationalist" &, currently even listed on Vandalism in progress -- Nico 15:47, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Ghost of the Robot
I am sorry for putting that page on VfD. It was a mistake. I believed that the band was obscure, but now I realize that I have seen at least one of its members quite frequently on the television. Thank you for notifying about the VfD. Happy hunting, Greenmountainboy 21:12, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Book of Mormon Controversies Page
Good idea about renaming the page. Hmm. Maybe it could be called Book of Mormon Origin or Book of Mormon Studies. I don't know. Hawstom 21:38, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Angela, maybe Eloquence is right. Book of Mormon Studies could use the NPOV forum of Wikipedia to mature. But maybe Wikipedia really isn't the place for a BofM Controversies page. Maybe both camps need to just stick to the agreed upon facts. If it is disputed too much to go on the main page, maybe it doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. Hawstom 16:02, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Should anons be allowed to edit?
Angela, thanks for your comments on my reform proposals. Might I suggest we try and promote some sort of discussion forum on these problems among experienced users of WP, in a place where it will be seen? Such proposals will have more weight coming from you than from me, since some people here seem to find me antagonistic (I can't imagine why). Adam 11:16, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Default Signature
Any chance of getting the WML (WikiMarkupLanguage) autosignature updated to include the "full stop" used by you and User:Dori. Could it not save a fair amount of pasting/extra clicks - as well as bandwidth? - unkamunka 11:30, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Just Plain Thanks
Thanks for sorting out my problem the other day, I'm not sure that the topic in question (university libraries) is completely needing a page so I'll pass on making it one just for now. Thanks again ;-) - Al b 21:38, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Moz Wiki stuff, Simple
Angela,

A couple of months ago, I created a Mozilla sidebar tab that enables a user to search Wikipedia. Is there a way I can upload the code here? I tried, but it uses JavaScript, and I don't think the Wiki software supports it.

As for the Simple Wiki, I hope to come back to it sometime, but I tied up im the main EN wiki right now.

Happy X-Mas! I hope Father Christmas is good to you!

iHoshie 01:53, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * Thanks. I'll contact the person you refered me to. iHoshie 07:02, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Incipient Vandalism
An IP user and User:Bobjoejill have each edited twice today on Mercury (element) (but never before or since, there or elsewhere), each pair within a minute or two. The earlier, logged-in pair, were adding one unsuitable word that could be honestly argued for, and adding some keyboard garbage; i reverted both. The later (IP) pair were adding "doodie" (a mild copralalia) and the other removing it; no revert needed.

I'm continuing to watch it for a couple hours, but at this point don't intend to put it on ViP. I'll leave another note if i see more of those users or on Mercury (element). I'm glad to see you stopped editing at a decent hour tonite, but if you could check in the AM, you should be up before me.

And please say so if i let them off easy, or if you look in detail & think i over-reacted.

Thanks. [smile] --Jerzy 02:24, 2003 Dec 17 (UTC)

 * Tsk, re yr hrs. Tnx, re yr reassuring answers. --Jerzy 03:31, 2003 Dec 17 (UTC)

Not removing stuff from talk pages
Oops, I deleted 2 pages that were edited only by EoT, and one was a fairly lengthy talk page. Pakaran 03:22, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)

The Wolf
I think you'll want to take a look at this article. Blah..... UtherSRG 03:45, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * Thanks. I seem to be finding a lot of junk today.... here's another: Edgar Ojeda. UtherSRG

msgs
Where are all those msgs coming from, and why don't I know about them? RickK 04:02, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Ann Kyslowski 142.177/EoT
How did you make that connection? Other than the use of the term 'little tin gods' I would have only been suspicious. --mav 04:09, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Adam Carr's Proposal
Angela. To me it wasn't anon users or new users who were the problem. My problem was the failure of most users to write for the enemy and to stand up for the integrity of articles that were not in their own "personal political space". I took pride in the fact that I, a conservative Republican, defended the integrity of the Wesley Clark article and was very vocal in confronting the conservative troll JoeM. Unfortunately, I did not see my philosophy working the same way on the other end. I, as a conservative Republican felt very UN-comfortable defending the George Bush article and Santorum article. I felt that a liberal Democrat should defend the NPOV on those but did not see it occur. Behavior that was seen as "trollish" on Hillary Clinton was seen as "informative" on George Bush. Thats why some started the "list war". Similarly, I felt uncomfortable trying to take anti-Bush material out of J. William Fulbright. I felt that a responsible liberal should have taken the lead on it. I asked for help and only got one person willing to assist me defend that article. So I don't think that Adam's proposal would help that. The only thing that would help that would be a change of heart by the political partisans or a change in NPOV philosophy. But I think very highly of the project and will keep watching in hopes of seeing it mature. -- Ark30inf

Alexander Fleming
On Sep 21, you removed the image link on Alexander Fleming. The image is still there, though. Any specific reason? Shouldn't that be restored? --Magnus Manske 11:40, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * Re: On, it says that all information is in the public domain, except:
 * Specific NLM Web sites containing protected information provide additional notification of conditions associated with its use
 * If you search for Alexander Fleming on the site, it does indeed find such an image with a copyright notice, but many others without. THe deleted one did not contain any copyright information, so it should be PD by default. --Magnus Manske 12:46, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Palestinian views of the peace process
That is a good question. I admit I didn't spend alot of time thinking before I made that vote. My best idea is to merge it into palestine, but... I would prefer if I wasn't the primary decision maker on this :). It really seems to be a section of an article, rather than an article itself. While it isn't good enough to stand on its own, or without editing, the article doesn't seem completely worthless, and I am generally really opposed to things which have any redeemable value being deleted. I am one of those Wiki is not paper people, or a medium-rare inclusionist, and whatever you want to call me, my instinct is to only delete complete garbage, and tinker/fix on the rest. Sam Spade
 * I was under the impression that merging was something only a sysop could do? I seem to remember some sort of problem on Conflicts between users about something like that, between Jiang and pigsonthewing? Sam Spade 21:25, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)

User:What most surprised me was the arrogance of the administration
Any way you can check to see if User:What most surprised me was the arrogance of the administration is a previous user returned from the grave? RickK 04:59, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Reply on the Adam Carr thing/NPOV
I don't think its anarchy in regard to who edits and how soon, but anarchy in regard to NPOV policy.

You are correct about political partisans changing their beliefs, but I think they can change their behavior. IF that is what is expected by the majority and that expectation is insisted on. The problem is that the NPOV policy as stated and accepted in practice is not really NPOV, its dueling POV. You can't blame users for being good at dueling POV when dueling POV is the standard operating procedure and is accepted by the community.

The idea seems to be to "get as much of my point of view in there" and "grudgingly accept the minimum opposing POV after a long fight". In reality, Wikipedia's policy is very similar to Fred Bauder's policy only the sympathetic and critical views have to fight for the same article space here whereas they are physically separated on his site.

Dueling POV works in a way, but you better be ready for a head-butting contest in addition to being ready to write an encyclopedia article.

Jimbo said on the mailing list during the RK thing (paraphrased) that it is his view that the best articles come from such partisans engaging in mortal combat with other partisans. I respectfully don't see that and instead see the best articles occurring where partisans from both sides write for the enemy, police their own kind, and treat seriously any and every criticism of their work rather than circling the wagons and defending it in a kneejerk fashion.

I've always tried to avoid being a utopian. But I feel that most of the regulars here regardless of political stripe could deal with that concept if that were the standard accepted here and insisted on. I'm figuring that either Wikipedia will mature and move that direction or someone will fork and try that philosophy. I'll keep watching because the project (ignoring methodology) is intriguing and useful. --Ark30inf

Wikipedia:Wikipedia:
Angela, if my Wikipedia:Wikipedia: is redundant, feel free to get rid of it, but I urge that something be done to make whatever page it is redundant to (whether that is Utilities or something else) more easily found. I've been working on Wikipedia for 6 weeks now and (as you can easily see if you track me) have been rather plunged in. This is the first I've heard of Utilities. Is there some obvious way of finding it that I have missed? Also, now that you point me to that page, it seems rather painfully daunting and deserves a digest / overview somewhere (I don't really care where, as long as it is -- once again -- sane to find.) -- Jmabel 09:13, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * 1) Apologies if I violated protocol in my first 2 days on the wikipedia. At the time, I had no idea what user talk pages were even for. I blanked your message after reading it. I did not understand that it was customary to retain content on one's talk page after reading it; I viewed it as more like email.
 * 2) Nonetheless, the term "utilities" is nothing like self-explanatory in this context: mnemonic once you know it, but non-obvious if you don't. It is, indeed, linked from the Help page, but there is nothing to make it stand out, and it seems to be the only link-based (as against search-based) route into a vast array of pages. If nothing else, I think it deserves a more verbose entry on the Help page. If you have no objection to that, I'd like to write a sentence or so there. Jmabel 11:13, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Oppositional philosophy
Angela, I think that's really a Jimbo thing. Jimbo believes that partisans fighting over articles produces the best articles. As long as that is true then many people who want to be collegial will be frustrated and leave. This place has gotten pretty far with the oppositional philosophy and I don't blame him for sticking with it. Its just not for me. -- Ark30inf

Articles to delete
Codabar, Vinod Scaria. UtherSRG 18:25, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Linking to Images in Other Languages
Has this been addressed? Many images are not candidates, but a fairly large-scale rummage didn't reveal any WML to enable this. - unkamunka. 00:41, 19 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Please check. Your judgments are occasionally more coloured than you might think. ~ stardust 12:41, 19 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Beekeeping
You added a link to simple English? that goes to "Beard." I'm puzzled. Not sure if it was an error, or are you referring to "bee beards," a stunt that is not mentioned in the article. Hmmmm...maybe that should be an item.... Pollinator 13:40, 19 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Newbie stuff...
Thanks for the touch-ups on the Martin Atkins entry, and the note. Is muchly appreciated.

Admin guidelines
Thanks for the feedback. When I was made an admin, I asked if there was a guideline, just in case, but never got a response (which is why I deleted one I was sure nobody wanted). I'll be more careful next time. --Raul654 06:51, 20 Dec 2003 (UTC)

New Age reversion
Angela, your reversion of New Age was smooth and timely. I appreciate your assistance. The slow way--the only way-- for me would b to edit the article's earlier content from the history, and then repost it. Thanks again... la di da ;-) Being from Britain, have you ever visited Somerset and Glastonbury? Our Avalon article here may get a rewrite(if I can maintain NPOV). BF

Stan v. 172
Stan was not attempting to reason with me. He has been harassing me and turning me into a staw man that is merely the product of his own fantasies. From my vantage point, his barage of attacks and acusations just came out of the blue, it seems, and I'm just brushing them off until he drops the straw man. I was thus disappointed by your comments on his talk page. Rather than addressing the matter as a dispute between two users, your comments insinuated that I was the sole source of the problem. It's not good to come to hasty conclusions without an adequate, balanced knowledge of what's going on. 172 12:44, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Juglugs
Hi Angela, thanks for Juglugs :) Tualha 06:12, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * No problem. :) Angela.

Topsail
I was mostly irritated at myself about topsail, I'd seen the stub long ago and made a mental note to myself to make something worthwhile out of it. Too many things to describe, not enough hours in the day. But soon, very soon; sails are a much more interesting topic than the sleazebags of the world. :-) Stan 07:41, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Mother Teresa
Hi Angela, and thanks for your comment on my talk page. I don't mind at all, thanks for asking. I appreciate the time you have taken dealing with this matter, and I think you have shown your normal wisdom and care in what you have done. Andrewa 10:30, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Pearl
Cool user page. Greenmountainboy 14:06, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Re: welcome
Hi Angela,

Thanks for welcoming me as a new member. I guess I'll pick up the Wikipedia style and formatting conventions in due course... the problem being that everywhere has its own rules and they're inevitably different from each other. (For instance: is direct current abbreviated as dc, DC, d.c. or D.C.? I've seen all versions in style guides.)

When in Rome, I try to do as the Romans do...

Dave Bass (can't work out how to make that a link!)

NPOV Issue at Transylvania
There appears to be a range war over at Transylvania. 171.75.71.215 has been attempting to update the page for the period since WWI. There are some important events here - including the start of the fall of Ceaucescu. The treatment has not been altogether NPOV, but Bogdangiusca has simply been deleting the material instead of attempting to NPOV it. Can we make this a "page under dispute". We are dealing with a cultural situation vaguely similar to Silesia. - unkamunka. 14:17, 24 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the support. Seems now that there was also a lurking copyvio issue.  Have put an expansion/research on my projects lists. - unkamunka. 12:49, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)

1911
In Ahmad Shah, you have replaced " Initial text from 1911 encyclopedia" with   which expands to "This article incorporates text from the public domain 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica. Please update as needed." I feel the "Please update as needed." is out of context here and should not be used for pages that have already been updated from a rough first draft. Jay 21:38, 24 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
Merry christmas and best wishes for Peace Profound! Optim 06:41, 25 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Our posthuman future
Angela,

I have reverted Our Posthuman Future from the redir back to the previous article, a serious stub. The redir created a self-link. Believe it or not, the name of the article is that of an actual book -- not the rant that was booted in VfD.

Davodd 01:07, Dec 27, 2003 (UTC)

 * Ok, I hadn't realised it had been edited since the votes on VfD were made. It wasn't a self link though. Angela. 14:36, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * Or maybe it was. I removed the link from transhumanism so it wasn't, but I've put that back now. Angela. 00:07, 28 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Mariavite church
Angela, could you check my new article about Mariavite Church. I'm afraid that there could be too much mistakes. But the topic is very interesting. I hope you will be able to reach the end of it ;) Thanks in advance Slawojarek 12:10, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your corrections. Thanks to you my effort is more clear for others :) Here are the answers for your questions:
 * 1) My mistake, I meant "at the turn of 19th centuries" (= around 1900) => now it's ok
 * 2) yes - Capuchin monk => ok
 * 3) I deleted it, I think "to spread the constant adoration of the Holy Sacrament" is enough => ok
 * 4) changed for "First one with the Mariavite priest Skolimowski" => is it clear now? [Yes, Angela.]
 * 5) I wasn't sure of this word, so I wanted to check it later; finally I forgot to do it :), it's "overbearing" => ok

Thanks one more time. I wish you great time in New Year! Slawojarek 20:34, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Cleanup Process
Could you explain what the section headings in Cleanup mean? If something is about a week old, does that make it "newish", or "oldish", or what? Is there a system? Thanks. Onebyone 05:08, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Changing attribution for an edit
Thanks for the Intro! Okay, I have a question now: I started Russell, Ontario but I did it anonymously. I would do the thing where I go back to the computer with the IP and claim it as mine, but I did it on dial up with Dynamic IPs, meaning I probably won't ever get it again. Is there anything else I can do? Thanks! PS: You can probably tell that it's really short. I'm planning on longening-it up when I get a free minute (although I probably won't use made-up words. . . probably ;). canrocks

 * Hi, Yeah you said that you thought I did it from a University. . .very clever! The IP probably came from ncf.carleton.ca. My ISP is called NCF, or National Capital Freenet. It's a service (not really free) provided by Carleton University for the community. It is dial-up which uses Dynamic IPs, basically assigning an IP at random, first-come first-serve. It would be very tiring to dial up and dial up repeatedly to get the right one. Do I have any other courses of action in claiming my article? Thanks, canrocks 17:04, Jan 2, 2004 (UTC)

San Jose: Accent policy
Angela, I seem to be in an edit war with various Wikilunies regarding accents. I put them in (because they are part of a proper name) and people take them out. Is there an existing discussion on the pros and cons of accents? Is there a policy or recommendation regarding their use? Or do I just need to wear someone down in an edit war? Joelwest 19:23, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. It is about San José (and San José State), both of which under Naming conventions (use English) seem to qualify for accents -- since the official name on government stationery, website, etc. has the accents. But this is a general issue that comes up in California and a few other states with Spanish/Mexican influence, and before I write new content (or face other edit wars) I want to know the "right" answer.

As for talking about it, yes that's the right thing to do but that assumes my editing opponent is willing to talk rather than just go ahead and mash my accents. After the first round (with SJSU) I did just that at Talk:San Jose State University, but only got a discussion from someone who agreed with me not the person who backed out my changes. Joelwest 08:27, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

 * I've never seen San Jose spelled with an accent. The San Jose newspaper doesn't use an accent.  http://www.sanjose.com/ doesn't use an accent.  http://www.sanjosesharks.com/ doesn't use it.  If they do it on their official websites, that's decidedly odd.  Do we start putting accents on Los Angeles?  RickK 16:36, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * To jump in on this, as both a San Jose resident and a SJSU alum, the city and the university are pretty much the only instutitions that use the accent, the rest of us ignore it. I believe the accent was adopted in the late 1980s or early 1990s to show off our "cultural heratige" as the oldest city in California.  It is a symptom of SJ's inferiority complex. Gentgeen 22:46, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * Continued at Talk:San Jose State University. Last posting there by Joelwest 06:18, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)

IRC
Are you still on #wikipedia? -- Tim Starling 16:49, Jan 2, 2004 (UTC)

 * It's a takeover bot. I think it was J-DoeAWAY. Basically it kicked everyone and stole their nicknames, now #wikipedia is inhabited by bots. I don't think I can do anything more about it, I'm going to bed. -- Tim Starling 17:40, Jan 2, 2004 (UTC)

Image question thanks
Thanks Angela! The offer still stands if there is any small Wiki job you think needs doing regularly which I might be able to handle anyway.Zestauferov 14:51, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

msg:disam vs msg:disambig
The ratio of the two is 647 for disambig vs. 2 for disam (PPD, River Dee which I am fixing now) according to the latest dump. I don't think it will be hard to decide between the two. disam is not even listed in the custom messages page.

Discussion at MediaWiki talk: Disam. Dori | Talk 18:14, Jan 3, 2004 (UTC)

You protected "The Wrong Version"
I hardly think you could fairly be described as "neutral" in respect of your protection of English unitary district and Unitary Authority. User:80.255

Once again, you are not only acting in a gratuitously non-neutral manner over Ross-shire, you are also protecting a version with is not in line with naming conventions (places). 80.255

 * And had I protected the other version, I would no doubt have Morwen complaining that I protected "The Wrong Version". Please read the Protection policy which clearly states that the protection of a page is in no way meant to imply support for that version. I haven't even read the pages so I have no idea whether they meet the policy or not. The aim of protecting them is just to stop an edit war not to display my biases one way or the other. As I haven't read them, how can you imply I am not neutral? For all I know it is Morwen's version going against whatever it is you think I believe in. Angela.

 * As the author of that text naming conventions, I can state confidently that the version that is protected is fine. The example that 80.255 quotes as justification for his assertion, only prohibits not mentioning continued geographical use, and does NOT prohibit use referring to them in the present tense.  He has been told this before, and is persisting in wilfully misreading a policy he originally opposed to back up his claims. Thanks, Morwen 15:38, Jan 4, 2004 (UTC)

 * Great. :) Please take it to Current disputes over articles. Angela. 15:46, Jan 4, 2004 (UTC)

Redirect Q
Howdy from Phoenix, Arizona. I have read some of the policy on deletions, but thought I would run this by a WikiGuru: Surfed over a redirect to Abdomen from AbdomeN. Seems petty. Is the AbdomeN page a good candidate for deletion? Getting bolder azwaldo 21:49, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Glad I asked. Thanks, I will review the links you gave. Just finished my second article, Biochemical oxygen demand. Another item: Seems that Fecal coliform bacteria could/should redirect to E. coli. As this would be the first redirect that I edit, I am throwing up a flag. Occurs to me that after a redirect, another more learned user can undo it, so it is alright to be bold here. azwaldo

Accidental deletion
Hi

I just inadvertently deleted Irish fiction, thinking I was deleting the draft version. I tried rolling back, but got this message: Cannot revert edit; last contributor is only author of this article. What can I do? Bmills 15:47, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks: you were confused, I was relieved. My first day back and I'm a sysop. I was bound to mess things up somewhere along the line. Bmills 16:02, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)

 * I view the fact that I answered this request before you did as conclusive proof that you are not a perl script ;-). Cheers, Cyan 16:04, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)

NPOV in IRT article
Angela, I think your npov-excising-edit, injecting perception, was not a good one. The article is about IRT. The section you edited was meant to explain a technical issue to a lay audience about IRT and tests. Your edit injecting percpetions is off-topic so I undid those changes. I appreciate the feedback; maybe there is a better way to phrase this issue. Amead 19:20, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)

NOEDITSECTION on Main Page broken
The you added to the main page is showing up in the rendered page, which it shouldn't be. —Morven 00:36, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Spanish family names and accutes, middle name on articles?
Hullo Angela! :)

I have read Wikipedia's Spanish family names naming convention and find it kinda vague.

My concerns:
 * should Spanish names be written with acutes?
 * regarding the article titles of people, should they include the middle's name first letter? for example, the article title for Juan D. Pueblo Gonzalez should be Juan D. Pueblo or Juan Pueblo?

If you could reply on my talk page that would be great. ^_^

# pd: do you like Oreos?

- Maio 01:48, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Re: Cyp's Sig
I already did stop :) As I got there from special:wanted pages, I think he's found the answer.  Not much of an experiment really though was it? HappyDog

Thank you from Burnaby South!
Thank you for cooling Ed down enough to disable the block! But if you did it, well... I'll Thank you then.

-Jack Zhang 10:22, Jan 9 2004 (LST)

VfD headers and Internet trolling
Oops - re the headers - I don't particularly care, but when I saw someone putting headers, I made them in to subs for the non-days. Will stop. The Fellowship of the Troll 22:10, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC) PS Please could you help with an issue I am having with Maximus Rex? I keeps moving the article Internet trolling phenomena on Wikipedia to the Talk: namespace and will not discuss the reason. What can I do? I understand that articles and discussion on Wikipedia belong there, but this is an article about Internet trolling, that happens to tak place on Wik. Help! Thanks!The Fellowship of the Troll 22:10, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I moved it to the "Wikipedia:" namespace, not the talk: namespace. Maximus Rex 22:12, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)

 * Whichever, you keep on moving it around, without justifying it - it's antisocial and counterproductive - why do you want to move it?The Fellowship of the Troll 22:14, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)

 * Oh come on, there are plenty of articles that comment on things that are not reporting of other people's publication - List of fictional cats for example, is primary research. We would gut half of the articles if we really did this. The Fellowship of the Troll 22:18, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)

 * You support moving wikipedia as well?The Fellowship of the Troll 22:30, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)

 * No, that's factual. Your views on what is trolling are not. Angela. 22:36, Jan 9, 2004 (UTC)

 * They are not my views, they are examples of trolling that exists. There is not (or need not be) any comentary on them.The Fellowship of the Troll 22:41, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Cut and paste move
You're even more likely than usual to be busier than you wish, so let me start by suggesting that you might rather tell me who to ask, instead of whether i am over-finicky in contemplating rescuing the history of a particular article that got busted by a quite recent cut-and-paste "un-move" maneuver. Magneto was moved to Magneto_(engine component) make room for a disamb page. Then another editor, who rightly thot that the disamb belonged on the main article under the name Magneto, accomplished that by cutting and pasting Magneto_(engine component)'s content over the redir, and putting a redir back to Magneto over the text of Magneto_(engine component). Thanks in either case. --Jerzy 00:21, 2004 Jan 10 (UTC)

Prussia
Hey, since you've commented before on issues of where the article on Prussia should be, I thought I'd inform you that User:Zestauferov has made a complete mess of the article Prussia, and has moved all material on the Kingdom/Land (post-1918) of Prussia to the innacurate page Brandenburg-Prussia. Something needs to be done, surely. I've posted irritated messages on both pages already, but I wanted to get other opinions on this. john 05:19, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure why I ever was involved in that. I know nothing about the topic so there's not a lot I can do to help. Sorry! Angela. 12:47, Jan 10, 2004 (UTC)

Hi this is Zestauferov. John kenney came after the discussions at the end of December had finished and the work had been done and nasically let us know that he does not like it. Which is fine because it is not finished yet and anything he wants to add can be put in. Basically we agree that the Prussia page should cover all aspects and not be just about the Brandenburg Prussia state. Ultimately we want to phase out the disambiguation page. If you have any suggestions please post. The article is still in a bit of a mess. I am having a baby tomorrow and do not have a lot of time to focus on it now but wanted to get the ball rolling before that happens. All the bestZestauferov 08:11, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)

 * See my comment above. I'm not the person to ask for help with this. Anyway, good luck tomorrow. Angela. 12:47, Jan 10, 2004 (UTC)

Protected pages
I removed some of the discussion concerning the administration page because it looked like a phantom edit - It still does. The dates for the comments I removed were April/May of 2003. The comments "I've unprotected this page" and "I unprotected it again" do not apply to the administrators page, which has stayed locked since I protected it. You can check for yourself in the protection log.

Almost all of the rest of the comments (Dershowitz-Finkelstein Affair, Silesia, extermination camp, et al) I removed were unchanged for almost three weeks. (Except, now that I look carefully, the last comment in Death camp was only 6 days old). When you say I removed text that was only a few hours old, I just don't see what you are talking about.

In the future, I'll archive them - I didn't know they were supposed to be.

Sorry for any confusion it might have caused. --Raul654 12:06, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)

 * Think nothing of it, Angela. It was an honest misunderstanding between two well intentioned people, and nothing to hold a grudge over. --Raul654 12:48, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for the star! --mav 05:45, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * :) no problem. Angela. 10:45, Jan 11, 2004 (UTC)

Danny's departure
Angela, could you look, first, at the comment RK has made at my talk page following my criticism of him relating to Danny's departure, and second, at the comment I have made at Jimbo Wales's talkpage relatikng to the structural issues which I think underlie this problem. I would welcome your opinion on both the RK/Danny situation and the structural issue. Adam 06:24, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)

M.R.M. Parrott
Hello, Angela. Thanks for the message on my talk page. You're quite right, M.R.M. Parrott was a candidate for deletion after all. So I've deleted it. I've kept Talk:M.R.M. Parrott, because there was a lot of useful talk about policies and things there. You might also want to read my note at Wikipedia talk:Archived delete debates about it (basically, why I didn't make a separate /Delete page). Well done on all this maintenance stuff, by the way. I wouldn't have the stamina for it... -- Oliver P. 08:53, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks Oliver. I've replied there too. Angela. 10:45, Jan 11, 2004 (UTC)

Conflicts between users
Are you going to revert your edits to the protected page or not? --Wik 11:41, Jan 11, 2004 (UTC)

custom-messages breakdown
I noticed you had added one of these and had documented the fact, so i hoped you'd know what to do abt it. (If it should go to whoever added the other, let me know & i'll track it down myself & tell them -- or tell you if you prefer.)

One of the two tags for the third row of the table on MediaWiki custom messages, and the tag of the next to the last row, differ only by capitalization. The version for factual dispute doesn't work (probably bcz the NPOV one trumps it). --Jerzy 01:19, 2004 Jan 12 (UTC)

 * Presumably i got it backwards. (I can't imagine that removing the row-3 use of it from the table made a difference!) It certainly is working (in preview, the only place i looked before) now, and there is no confusing info in the table anymore.  Sorry for what was probably carelessness on my part, and thanks for making the table read accurately. --Jerzy 04:45, 2004 Jan 12 (UTC)

VFD - Foreign
Could you possibly look at my comments on the discussion for Key server? My Hungarian isn't fluent, but I could manage a translation. OTOH is this obscure enough to let die the death it would have had without the crash - and let an anglophone write it from scratch if ever needed? The content is valid enough and it is still probably one of the most effective methods of cryptography - just a rather obscure topic. The few bits of English on the page are mine - unkamunka. 04:19, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Since we're keeping it, can it be retitled either "The MD5 Message-Digest Algorithm" or simply "Message-Digest Algorithm" - to convey the substance? "Key Server" I suspect is an anglicisation of the general topic in Hungarian - unkamunka. 05:42, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Please delete both redirects - after all that:-) - Morwen found we have a shorter version in English already - unkamunka. 09:17, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Very good idea to retain the Message Digest Algorithm redirect - unkamunka. 22:01, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Walküre
My reading of Special characters and Naming conventions makes me believe the editors who created Die Walküre to replace Die Walkure were on the right track. But, alas, it was a cut and paste. If you would be so kind as to clobber it, i have saved the text, (just in case it was also a text-altering edit), i'll do the move and let them know about "Move this page". (This one is simpler & should go smoother than Magneto; thanks again for yr help on that.) --Jerzy 07:36, 2004 Jan 12 (UTC)

Moved talk.
This was posted on Use talk:Angela (the deletion of which should be seriously considered):

Just to say that I got unblocked! Seems it was a vandal using the same ISP and had gone through all the possible proxies and got them blocked. Anjouli 16:43, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Re: ToU / Useful links

 * Are you aware that .. has been working on something similar at Submission Standards (proposal)? Perhaps you need to merge your efforts with him somehow.'
 * I will try to get in touch with him (if I can remember it). Thanks. :-)
 * On a completely unrelated note, I came across some pages you have created like .. and .. which look amazingly useful but are so hidden. They need to be linked to places people are going to find them. As a minimum I would suggest you add them to the Utilities page.
 * I'm glad you liked them! ^_^ Check also HOWTOs Index -- it is a simple idea, used by many websites. With a page like that, Google can automatically link all "how to" searches to that page, instead of linking the page itself! That way Wikipedians will always find what they are looking for. The format is simple: list all possible combinations of "how to" do things regarding the Wikipedia Project.

# pd: DID YOU BUY THE OREOS?!?! REDEEM YRSELF la~ --Maio 23:02, Jan 12, 2004 (UTC)

 * The HOWTOs looks useful and no, I still haven't bought any Oreos! :) Angela.

TransWiki
Thanks for the tip. That'll make life so much easier for me. PMC 00:47, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Factor analysis
I see you moved factor analysis (in marketing) to factor analysis. Let us recall some history. That was this article's original name. I complained that the article makes not the least attempt to say what factor analysis is (and please see the discussion page before disputing this). The page's first author rather belligerently and falsely accused me of wanting to write some sort of ivory-towerish account devoid of any mention of practical applications. What incited that attack I do not know. What happened was a sort of compromise. But my objection stands: the article still simply does not care what factor analysis is; it makes no attempt to even hint at that topic. Michael Hardy 02:05, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Lizard King
Message for you on User talk:Tim Starling -- Tim Starling 05:46, Jan 13, 2004 (UTC)

IRC
Just a hi, for no reason whatsoever. Except that you are rarely on irc these days, so I miss you, and could not say hi :-) ant

 * On that note, I have to point out that it is now next Tuesday. Will we be seeing you back on IRC soon? -- Tim Starling 09:32, Jan 13, 2004 (UTC)

It certainly is strange hanging out on #wikipedia. I feels a bit like a cabal of people making decision about wikipedia in 'secret'. :) Good luck with your computer. --snoyes 08:48, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Stubnote/IRC
Hi Angela. Thanks for the pointer. For some strange reason I don't especially expect talk on wikipedia to make sense, oh well. BTW, howcome you don't visit #wikipedia anymore? Do you find yourself wasting a lot of time when on IRC? (I know I do). --snoyes 08:39, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)

title: User talk:Angela/Archive6


text:
Calandra lark

The calandra lark (Melanocorypha calandra) or European calandra-lark breeds in warm temperate countries around the Mediterranean and eastwards through Turkey into northern Iran and southern Russia. It is replaced further east by its relative, the bimaculated lark.

Taxonomy and systematics
The calandra lark was originally placed in the genus Alauda. The current genus name, Melanocorypha is from Ancient Greek melas, "black", and koruphos a term used by ancient writers for a now unknown bird, but here confused with korudos, "lark". "Calandra"' derives ultimately from kalandros the Ancient Greek name for this bird. The bimaculated lark is also sometimes termed as the calandra lark.

Subspecies
Four subspecies are recognized:
 * Western calandra lark (M. c. calandra) - (Linnaeus, 1766) : Found in southern Europe and north-western Africa to Turkey (except south-central and south-eastern Turkey), Transcaucasia and north-western Iran
 * Eastern calandra lark (M. c. psammochroa) - Hartert, 1904 : Found from northern Iraq and northern Iran to Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan
 * M. c. gaza - Meinertzhagen, R, 1919 : Originally described as a subspecies of the bimaculated lark. Found from eastern Syria and south-eastern Turkey to south-western Iran
 * Levant calandra lark (M. c. hebraica) - Meinertzhagen, R, 1920 : Found from south-central Turkey and north-western Syria to Israel and western Jordan

Description
This is a large, robust lark, 17.5–20 cm long. It is an undistinguished-looking species on the ground, mainly streaked greyish brown above and white below, and with large black patches on the breast sides. It has a white supercilium.

In flight it shows short broad wings, which are dark below, and a short white-edged tail. The wing and tail patterns are distinctions from its more easterly relatives.

The song is like a slower version of that of the skylark.

Distribution and habitat
It is mainly resident in the west of its range, but Russian populations of this passerine bird are more migratory, moving further south in winter, as far as the Arabian peninsula and Egypt. It is a very rare vagrant to western Europe.

This is a bird of open cultivation and steppe. Its nest is on the ground, with 4–5 eggs being laid. Food is seeds supplemented with insects in the breeding season. It is gregarious outside the breeding season.

Behaviour and ecology
This species occupies open plains, from steppes and pastures to extensive dry cereal cultivations and true steppe with dense grass cover. In the Mediterranean Basin it is mainly found in dry pastures and dry cultivations. In cultivated areas, it prefers fallows, long-fallows and field edges and to a lesser extent sown fields, selecting unirrigated legumes and barley fields. The species is monogamous and lays eggs from early April to July. The nest is made from grass stems and small leaves, lined with softer material and built in a shallow depression on the ground, often under a tussock. Clutches are usually three to six eggs (de Juana and Suárez 2004). Its diet is seasonal, feeding mostly on insects in the summers and seeds and grass shoots in the winter. Mediterranean populations are resident, forming large flocks in the autumn and winter (Snow and Perrins 1998, de Juana and Suárez 2004). Eastern populations are migratory or partially migratory (de Juana and Suárez 2004).

Parasites of the calandra lark include the chewing louse Ricinus vaderi, described from specimens collected in Azerbaijan.

In culture
The song is considered so musical to human ears that the calandra lark was formerly a popular cagebird in its range. It is mentioned in, for instance, the Tuscan proverb "Canta come una calandra", he or she sings like a lark, and the Spanish ballad "Romance del prisionero", where its song is the only way the prisoner knows when day breaks.

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: Calandra lark


text:
John Ligonier, 1st Earl Ligonier

Field Marshal John Ligonier, 1st Earl Ligonier, (7 November 1680 – 28 April 1770), was a French Huguenot exile, born Jean Louis de Ligonier in Castres, Southern France. He had a long and distinguished career in the British army and was appointed Commander-in-chief in 1757.

During the Seven Years' War, he also served as Master-General of the Ordnance, effectively acting as Minister of War for the Pitt–Newcastle ministry. He retired from active duty in 1763 and died at his home in London on 28 April 1770.

Military career
The son of Louis de Ligonier, a member of a Huguenot family of Castres in the south of France that had emigrated to England in 1697, and Louise Ligonier (née du Poncet), John Ligonier was educated in France and Switzerland. He joined a regiment in Flanders commanded by Lord Cutts in 1702.

He fought, with distinction, in the War of the Spanish Succession and was one of the first to mount the breach at the siege of Liège in October 1702. After becoming a captain in the 10th Foot on 10 February 1703, he commanded a company at the battles of Schellenberg in July 1704 and Blenheim in August 1704, and was present at Menen where he led the storming of the covered way as well as Ramillies in May 1706, Oudenarde in July 1708 and Malplaquet in September 1709 where he received twenty-three bullets through his clothing yet remained unhurt. In 1712, he became governor of Fort St. Philip, Menorca. During the War of the Quadruple Alliance in 1719 he was adjutant-general of the troops employed in the Vigo expedition, where he led the stormers of Pontevedra.

Two years later he became colonel of the Black Horse. He was made a brigadier general in 1735, major general in 1739, and accompanied Lord Stair in the Rhine Campaign of 1742 to 1743. He was promoted to lieutenant general on 26 February 1742 and George II made him a Knight of the Bath on the field of Dettingen in June 1743. At Fontenoy in May 1745, Ligonier commanded the British, Hanoverian, and Hessian infantry.

During the Jacobite rising of 1745 he was called home to command the British army in the Midlands. In November 1745 he led a column of troops sent to Lancashire to oppose the rebels. Having been promoted to the rank of general of horse on 3 January 1746, he was placed at the head of the British and British-paid contingents of the Allied army in the Low Countries in June 1746.

He was present at Rocoux in October 1746 and, having been made Lieutenant-General of the Ordnance on 19 March 1747, he fought at Lauffeld in July 1747, where he led the charge of the British cavalry. He did this with such vigour that he overthrew the whole line of French cavalry. In this encounter his horse was killed and he was taken prisoner by Louis XV, but was exchanged within a few days. The official despatch reported:"it is impossible to commend too much the conduct of the generals both horse and foot. Sir John Legonier, who charged at the head of the British dragoons with that skill and spirit that he has shown on so many occasions, and in which he was so well seconded..."

He became Member of Parliament for Bath in March 1748 and colonel of the 2nd Dragoon Guards in 1749. From 1748 to 1770 he was governor of the French Hospital.

On 6 April 1750 he was appointed Governor of Guernsey and on 3 February 1753 he became colonel of the Royal Horse Guards.

Seven Years' War
In September 1757, following the disgrace of the Duke of Cumberland who had signed the Convention of Klosterzeven, Ligonier was made Commander-in-Chief of the Forces. He worked closely with the Pitt–Newcastle ministry who sought his strategic advice in connection with the Seven Years' War which was underway at this time. Ligonier was also made a field marshal on 3 December 1757, Colonel of the 1st Foot Guards on the same date and a peer of Ireland on 10 December 1757 under the title of Viscount Ligonier of Enniskillen. He was notionally given command of British forces in the event of a planned French invasion in 1759 though it never ultimately occurred. He stood down as commander-in-chief in 1759 and became Master-General of the Ordnance. He was given a further Irish peerage on 1 May 1762 as Viscount Ligonier of Clonmell (with remainder to his nephew) and on 19 April 1763 he became a Baron, and on 6 September 1766 an Earl, in the British peerage.

Retirement
He spent his later years at Cobham Park in Cobham, Surrey, which he bought around 1750. He died, still unmarried, on 28 April 1770 and was buried in Cobham Church. There is a monument to him, sculpted by John Francis Moore in Westminster Abbey.

The earldom became extinct but the Irish viscountcy and Cobham Park passed to his nephew Edward, who would also be created Earl Ligonier (but in the Irish peerage) six years later. Ligonier's younger brother, Francis, was also a distinguished soldier.

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just a reminder
this is just a friendly reminder to always use the comments field when editing. It makes life much easier for others when specifics can be seen while viewing page history. thanks! Kingturtle 17:49, 15 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Bristol
Bristol was a "county-borough" before 1974. It was never called a "county" until the "County of Avon" was disbanded in 1996. - Efghij 08:17, Nov 17, 2003 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure what it was called before 1888, but it was definately not a county. There were a few cities that were administed seperatly from the geographic county they were part of; e.g. London, Coventry. In terms of traditional counties, the part of the city north of the Avon is part of Gloucestershire and the south of the Avon is part of Somerset. - Efghij 01:39, Nov 18, 2003 (UTC)

 * It was also called 'The City and County of Bristol' when I lived there in 1970, and this was the text on the boundary roadsigns as you entered Bristol. This Google search throws up quite a few references to the title. - Chris Jefferies 20th November 2003

Automatic mathematics
Despite your claim on VfD, there is such a thing. --Daniel C. Boyer 18:40, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Milankovitch
Quick work: I'd only just written the page and realised it ought to be renamed. Thanks! Now, can I get to James Croll before you...? (William M. Connolley 21:25, 19 Nov 2003 (UTC))

Admin
You're now an administrator. -- Tim Starling 02:40, Nov 20, 2003 (UTC)

Congrats. Secretlondon 09:39, Nov 20, 2003 (UTC)

Someones doing an article on municipal govt - i think thats only in the US but you are the expert on counties etc ;) Secretlondon 09:39, Nov 20, 2003 (UTC)

Municipal government
Local government is becoming a total mess, and I don't think we should move anything else into it - it wants things moving out of it. I've had a go at writing intros to both to make sense of the difference

Advice please on procedure -- should we be having these discussions on user talk pages, or on the article talk page?

seglea 09:53, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Underground
Morwen, not criticizing, just curious, why a separate page for each station on the London Underground? orthogonal 19:46, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Rugby
My, you were quick updating the Rugby Union World Cup article! I took a little longer to write a review of the match in 2003 Rugby Union World Cup! :) Arwel 11:29, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Sanacja
Where did you find the stuff on Modern Sanacja's policy? Andy Mabbett 20:33, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)

National Grid
Your work on National grid has been partially duplicated in the Eastings and Northings section of the main Ordnance Survey article. These should be merged. Worryingly, both contain a shaped list of two-letter grids, but they don't agree on what is land or water! Some fixing is need IMHO. 62.252.64.8 22:36, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)
 * Sorry to bother you. Does the fact that the OS claims 'ownership' of the use of grid co-ordinates using two-letter codes affect our ability to display the graphic on National grid? Details of this particular horror at http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/project/goodguides/gis/sect45.html (see section 4.5.5). Penfold 10:30, Nov 24, 2003 (UTC)

Eric Harris's and Dylan Klebold's plans
No, the plane hijack gig was no joke. According to the Crime Library website, the boys wrote the plan to hijack an airliner in their journal. WhisperToMe 07:47, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Villages
Hi. What's your criteria for putting villages in London boroughs? I would think that literally hundreds of villages have been swallowed up by London. Mintguy 09:29, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)
 * Whether they are important, large, or famous, basically. Morwen 20:25, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)
 * I see. It's just that Battersea was a village and the old heart of it is now frequently called Battersea village. It was formerly a borough in its own right too so is listed on Wandsworth in that capacity, and I wasn't sure whether it would be appropriate to list it as a village as well. Mintguy
 * The issue is avoiding waste of space. The table has to be kept narrow, although it can be lengthened, and two instances of the word 'Battersea' is questionable. When it was a link to 'Battersea' I would have dismissed such a suggestion immediately, but now it links to 'Metropolitan Borough of Battersea' it is perhaps more justified.  Perhaps the 'formerly' information doesn't belong in the table at all, but in the article, which would solve the problem. Morwen 20:36, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)

 * A fine solution. Mintguy

Duplicated article
Your new article Mendelism already exists under the name Mendelian inheritance. I suppose you better merge them. -wshun 22:21, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)

 * Sorry, blame the wrong one. :P Do you agree that I should simply make Mendelism a redirect? wshun 22:32, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Eton College
Why did you "rephrase" Eton College such that it now ommits factual and relevant information? Isn't factual and relevant information what wikipedia is about? 80.255 10:09, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Telephone
Why did you remove that phrase about the Chinese inventor of the early telephone? Its taken from the Swedish telephone museum. // Rogper 11:36, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)
 * Okay, anyway I rephrased the paragraph (and I saw you have look at it too). // ?Rogper 20:30, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Counties
"Warwickshire (rump)" ? Whoever talks about such an entity? What a mess! Andy Mabbett 19:24, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)
 * "Gloucestershire (rump)" ? Whoever talks about such an entity? What a mess! Andy Mabbett 19:34, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)
 * Who siad anything about South Glous? (And don't you think it makes more sense to reply here, than on my talk page? Andy Mabbett 19:39, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)
 * As I said, free free to move the pages. I am not going to object to any changes you make.  Morwen 19:42, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)
 * If they must be spilt (and I would have preferred not), the best name would be "Gloucestershire (19nn)", using the year of creation - but I'm not sure when that would be. Also, we currently have 8th century history under a page about current- day Warwickshire, but not on the page about the historic county (and so on). All done, apparently to pander to an individual, idiosyncratic user's PoV :-( Andy Mabbett 19:53, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)
 * I am as unhappy about it as you are, but edit wars don't seem to be solving it.  It was quite ridiculous that half the articles about counties whose boundaries had changed, were about the administrative ones, and half were about the traditional ones - and that whether the map (if any) showed the new or old boundaries was random and had not much bearing on that.  For example, Somerset had the old map but didn't mention Bath.  Clearly silly, and this moves away from that. Morwen 19:59, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Sussex
From my talk page: ''Hmm, interesting. I should think if that is true, then what that is indicated is that the lord-lieutenancy wasn't broken up until 1974. I have ordered a copy of the local government act in order to get it direct rather than filtered through prejudices, and this should be arriving soon. So we'll see. Morwen 12:14, 7 Nov 2003 (UTC)''
 * Do you now have this document? Mintguy 21:09, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)
 * No - I think it got lost in the postal strike. :( Morwen 21:09, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Gloucestershire
Just out of interest why did you turn Gloucestershire into an article about the "traditional county" instead of the modern one, surely you've got it the wrong way round. G-Man 23:51, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Done.... Although I dont see why two separate articles should exist. Frankly I'm utterly fed up with 80.255 and his/her traditional counties nonsense. G-Man 00:00, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)
 * It keeps the nonsense segregated. Are you going to make a Gloucestershire (traditional) to keep them from bitching too much? Morwen 00:04, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Done....But I put the link right at the bottom of the page in small text 'tee hee hee' G-Man 00:57, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Lots of county fun for you I see ;) Did you get back okay? Secretlondon 16:44, Nov 30, 2003 (UTC)

I dont see what authority 80.255 thinks he has to move the county pages to XXXXXX (administrative), a title which is used or recognised by no one and create hundreds of broken links in the process. I'm probably going to get into one awesome edit war over this but there you go. What do you think G-Man 19:34, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * Go for it. I was responsible for the (rump) ones, but they can at least be partially justified by the ceremonial counties.  The "south gloucestershire (uaa)" crap is just politically-motivated bullshit. Morwen 19:36, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Fine, but if I get into an edit war I would appreciate some help. Otherwise 80.255 will try to portray me as the bad guy who "keeps starting edit-wars" as he has tried to do at Talk: Warwickshire G-Man 19:53, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * What the hell... Morwen 20:04, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Is that a yes?. Actually I'm not sure what to do with Gloucestershire it's a complete mess, do you have any ideas. G-Man 20:09, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * Yes, a yes. No idea. Morwen 20:11, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I shall go away and have a think about it. I will probably return later, having hopefully had a flash of inspiration. G-Man 21:08, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

North Korea
I'm putting this here because I know it will appeal to you. List of cities in North Korea. Secretlondon 13:03, Dec 3, 2003 (UTC)

Newport Pagnell
"At one time Newport Pagnell was one of the largest towns in the county of Buckinghamshire (the assizes of the county were occasionally held here), though today it has been completely dwarfed by the growth of Milton Keynes. The two have joined up and there is no easy distinction to see where Newport Pagnell ends, and Milton Keynes begins."

There are very many (particularly those from Newport Pagnell itself) who believe that this linkup is indeed unfortunate. After all, have you ever been to Milton Keynes? Graham :) 23:18, 3 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Cake
Re Cake - the drug Why change my "fictional" to "made up"? Maybe should be "made-up", a compound adjective. Maybe "fictitious" is what I meant. Andy G 20:41, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * Because it's made up in labs! Or did you not see the episode? ;) Morwen 20:42, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Ha ha! Too subtle for me. Andy G 21:29, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Tube stations (or not)
Re: the tube stations. The point is, they have never been referred to as tube stations anywhere except on here. It is fairly evident that the creator of those pages didn't know what they were writing about, as they quoted Quainton as being in London. In fact it is about 40 miles outside London, even today. Look it up on a map. Graham 22:55, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * My second point being (now you have elected to revert the page) is that Stoke mandeville, Wendover and Great Missenden are not referred to as tube stations today, neither have they ever been, nor are they in London.

 * This (use of 'tube station' all over the place) has been annoying me too over the last few days. The 'tube' is - accurately - only the deep tube lines (Victoria, Picadilly, Bakerloo, Northern, Central, Fleet/Jubilee). To call the C&C lines (District, Metropolitan, H&City, ELL) 'tube' is an error as they are merely 'undergound' lines. Trouble is the phrase "I'm taking the tube" will be used for all of it as an 'inclusive' term when really it isn't. You just have to look at the history of the naming ('Tube' came in quite late, and was an alliteration on the Central London Railway's use of the marketing phrase The Twopenny Tube). The met line at the outer reaches never actually appeared on any underground maps although trains ran to Verney Junction (which is *literally* in the middle of nowhere, though pretty!) until 1936. Same as the trains that ran out to Southend until 1939 don't mean that it was a 'tube' line / 'tube stations' all the way out there. Now though it would be too coplex to correct all the 'tube' usage to valid usage, so we'll just have to live with it. --VampWillow 20:28, 2004 May 10 (UTC)

 * In defence of 'tube', TfL do frequently refer to the entire system as the 'tube'. On this page  the term 'London Underground' is used once, as opposed to countless instances of 'tube'. It is an informal usage to be sure, but words do stretch their meanings, and this seems to be one of them.   I note that 'London Underground' is also technically inaccurate for the supersurface lines outside of London ;) Morwen 20:36, May 10, 2004 (UTC)

supersurface ?? I'll agree with you that 'tube' is used to refer to the system (as a shorthand) but that doesn't make all the stations tube stations, although the small-but-significant difference can be hard to explain to non-Londoners! For instance, Wembley Park is wiki'd as Wembley Park tube station even though it serves overground trains out of Marylebone (which, as it happens, pass through Verney Junction). My POV is that only stations on the deep tube should really have tube station as their link, others having underground station as the link essence. --VampWillow 20:53, 2004 May 10 (UTC)

 * Certainly if mainline trains call at a station it should be at "X station". I'm not especially inclined to argue if you are going to move things to  'underground'.  There's a wikiproject about this sort of thing somewhere, I will see if I can find it. Morwen 21:08, May 10, 2004 (UTC)

french alphabet
bonjour, Morwen. on french alphabet you say: Some words differ by only 'oe' vs 'œ' ligature, but since in modern computer-based typesetting the ligature has fallen out of use, this no longer presents a comprehension problem. that's false and true ;D au revoir Alvaro from Caen 02:23, 2003 Dec 5 (UTC)
 * the ligature has not fallen out of use; see ?uf and we changed all the "oe" to "éoelig;"!
 * there is no comprehension problem at all.

 * It had partially fallen out of use, since it wasn't in ISO-8859-1. Morwen 18:37, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)

sutherland
You don't possibly mean the Sutherland in Sydney, do you? (re Reqeusts in RC). Sutherland is rather boring :) Dysprosia 13:37, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * I think I rather meant the Sutherland in Scotland which 90% of the links to it are about. ;) Morwen 13:41, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * Just thought I'd check :) Dysprosia 13:44, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Re:De jure vs. de facto
No, de jure means according to the law and de facto means in actuality...

North Korea has no official head of state, so no one in the listing can possibily be "de jure". Kim Yong-nam officially accredits the ambassadors, thus fulfilling the duties of head of state, but he is not the head of state - he is just the head of the parliament. (The position of "President" was abolished so that Kim il-sung would be "eternal president". However, a dead guy cant be head of state.) I originally had Kim Jong-il as "head of government", but Wik decided otherwise (see the talk page). --Jiang|(Talk) 21:54, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

National parks
My mistake, I wasn't thinking. Thank you for catching me. --Minesweeper 14:20, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

staatsoper
Hi, I noticed that several days ago you created two redirects, Berlin Staatsoper and Staatsoper, to Berlin State Opera. In case you didn't know, Berlin is not the only city in Germany with a staatsoper; Hamburg (Hamburg State Opera) has one and other cities as well, hence Staatsoper is probably not a good redirect for Berlin State Opera. I fixed the link on Unter den Linden so it points directly to Berlin State Opera. Do you mind if I now delete Staatsoper? -- Viajero 19:58, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * Go ahead. Morwen 20:00, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

English Cities
+--+ | e                           | +--+ | Ashburton,_Devon            | | Buxton,_Derbyshire          | | Cavendish,_Suffolk          | | Chesterfield,_Derbyshire    | | Coton                       | | Derby,_Derbyshire           | | Derby_City                  | | Durham,_County_Durham       |

| Ford_Park_Cemetery,_Plymouth | | Frome,_Somerset             | | Holt                        | | Holt,_Norfolk               | | Ingham                      | | Ipswich,_Suffolk            | | Louth                       | | Millbridge,_Plymouth        | | Newport,_Shropshire         | | Nursling,_Hampshire         | | Nursling,_Hampshire         | | Princetown                  | | Sedgemoor,_Somerset         | | Stonehouse,_Plymouth        | | Stonehouse_Creek,_Plymouth  | | Stonehouse_creek,_Plymouth  | | Tintagel,_Cornwall          | +--+

More English cities :-)
++---+ | e                     | original                                  | ++---+ | Ashburton         | Ashburton,_Devon,_England             | | Coton             | Coton,_England                        | | Derby_City        | Derby_City,_England                   | | Ford_Park_Cemetery | Ford_Park_Cemetery,_Plymouth,_England | | Holt              | Holt,_England                         | | Holt              | Holt,_Norfolk,_England                | | Ingham            | Ingham,_England                       | | Louth             | Louth,_England                        | | MillBank          | MillBank,_London,_England             | | Millbridge        | Millbridge,_Plymouth,_England         | | Nag's_Head        | Nag's_Head,_London,_England           | | Princetown        | Princetown,_England                   | | Stonehouse        | Stonehouse,_Plymouth,_England         | | Stonehouse_Creek  | Stonehouse_Creek,_Plymouth,_England   | | Stonehouse_creek  | Stonehouse_creek,_Plymouth,_England   | ++---+

Regards, JeLuF

And how do you know I'm not in bed, surely you mustn't have gone to bed either ;) Secretlondon 23:17, Dec 8, 2003 (UTC)

 * hugs*

Cromartyshire
I've uploaded a basic outline map of this on the Cromartyshire article. I'll try and add locations of other towns a little later. Is this what you had in mind for all the scottish counties? 80.255 17:57, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * I was thinking that it would show all of the land and borders within a rectangle - it looks rather like the highlands are an island atm! Morwen 18:25, Dec 10, 2003 (UTC)

 * Point taken! Article now shows better map. 80.255

Why the hell did you upload a bloody picture of a tube station as Mansionhouse.jpg for? Did you check first to see if there was an image with that name? Now there is a far too large picture of a tube station screwing up a series of pages that have nothing to do with a tube station and which used a previous picture called that name long before that bloody tube picture. Next time for Christ's sake be more careful. FearÉIREANN 00:25, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * My apologies, and here, have something for your blood presure. Morwen 18:16, Dec 12, 2003 (UTC)

Sorry for my outburst. I was rather angry when a set of pages were all messed up, with the completely wrong image, far far too big, dominating the pages. Other users tried to revert to earlier versions of the articles but every version threw up the same replacement image. The trouble is that when a new image is given an old image name, it replaces the old image and the old image is completely lost and cannot be reverted to. I tried deleting your image to see if the previous image would come back but it was to no avail. It is simply lost. As to your image, it was far far beyond the maximum limits in terms of size allowable. On some browsers it threw page structure all over the page. On some browsers it reduced the text to one letter per line. I've learned this myself from bitter experience in downloading images. Anything over 300 is a problem; anything over 350 is a disaster that makes the page in some browsers unreadable at best, at worst if not using broadband the page can take minutes to download, often forcing the user to exit the browser completely or in extreme cases reboot the computer. I deleted the image because its scale was such that it was unusable. If you want to download it again please make it substantially smaller and as it is a tube station, use that reference in the name, eg., mansionhtube. I am now going to have to retake the image that was originally at that name as I no longer have the original image, nor have I the image originally used on that page before my image. I was angry at the need to retake the image, the massive size of your image, and the fact that a number of users had had to spend time trying with no sucess to wade through edit histories trying to find a page with the original image, not your irrelevant replacement. And no matter how far back they went, and how many reversions they tried, every page had the same massive and irrelevant image of a tube station.

But again, apologies for my reaction. I hope you understand the reasons why I saw red. I know what you did was 100% accidential, not deliberate. It just undid a lot of careful work and caused problems for a lot of people trying to find the original images for those pages. Be very careful when downloading images to give specific names that can only have one meaning, rather than generic names that may well have been used by others. Most people would invariably presume mansionhouse to refer to a mansion house, not a train station near a mansion house. :-) FearÉIREANN 23:31, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * Perhaps it has changed recently, but I certainly remember that you can obtain older versions of images. Morwen 23:33, Dec 12, 2003 (UTC)
 * Just checked, and if you go to [[File:LondonWestEnd 3.png]] you will see this demonstrated. I understand entirely why I should not do this, and did before; I was just being stupidly careless.   Really the software should make uploads and replacements a different thing.  Morwen 23:35, Dec 12, 2003 (UTC)

Canadian Election 1972, I think the fact that the eleciton-night and official results were different (otherwise unprecendented in canadian history) deserves a mention Pellaken 00:21, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Broughton, Newport Pagnell, Milton keynes
Apologies for the name of the above article, here is how it happened: it started out as Broughton, Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire in order to separate it from Broughton, Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire. But then I remembered that Newport Pagnell is no longer in Buckinghamshire, but in Milton keynes, so changed the last part of it, and not the NP bit. Many apologies for that. Graham :)  -- Francs2000 00:31, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * No worries. I tend to go by the rule that if X is a page about something, then its ok to use X, so you could have just called those Broughton, Newport Pagnell, and Broughton, Aylesbury.  But no harm done.  Morwen 00:33, Dec 13, 2003 (UTC)

Domestic and Foreign Policies of Jean Chrètien
Can I arbitrarily protect that page and others like it? ugen64 14:04, Dec 13, 2003 (UTC)

 * This is a bit hot for someone new - I'm protecting pages that he's reverted his changes to, and blanking and protecting ones that have been deleted and recreated. Morwen 14:06, Dec 13, 2003 (UTC)

 * Ah, I see, I'm a noob. He's on auto-revert... :-) ugen64 14:07, Dec 13, 2003 (UTC) what I meant, was that if he created, say, "Domestic and Foreign Policy of JEan Chretien" just to get past the protection, could I protect it.

Heydar Aliyev
Talk about great minds thinking alike - you were stubbing the article on Heydar Aliyev at exactly the same time that I was writing it! Hope it's OK. I'm sure others can expand it further if they want to. -- ChrisO 14:19, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * Well after me and Secretlondon stubbed everyone on List of national leaders, it would be silly to let these things get out of date. :) Morwen 14:27, Dec 13, 2003 (UTC)

Vinca alphabet
BTW, I noticed that you were having a bit of a spat with Nikola over the Vinca alphabet. Short answer is, you're both right and you're both wrong (useful, eh?). It does exist and it's not a national myth; however, Nikola's preferred explanation as given in the article is at the very least controversial and very likely wrong. See my comments in the related talk page. -- ChrisO 15:03, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * I was quite willing to believe that the markings do exist, but the idea of calling it an 'alphabet' is a fringe theory, and I suspect the reason why Nikola was claiming it to be unquestionably true for nationalistic reasons. Lots of nations make dubious or often flat out wrong claims about the history of their language, for nationalistic reasons.  So I think we are in violent agreement. Morwen 15:05, Dec 13, 2003 (UTC)

 * I think, more fundamentally, he might only know it as the "Vinca alphabet" and not by its better known name of the "Old European Script" - if he'd Googled on that, he would have found considerably more information on it. -- ChrisO 15:12, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * That is also possible. Morwen 15:14, Dec 13, 2003 (UTC)

 * I've rewritten Vinca alphabet - see what you think. There are a couple of actions which will need to be done (i.e. renaming/moving the page) if everyone's happy with it. -- ChrisO 01:32, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * Looks excellent. Thanks Morwen 10:56, Dec 14, 2003 (UTC)

Warwickshire
Morwen, do you agree with me that the Warwickshire articles should be re-integrated. Personally I think it's silly that it should be split. For instance Rugby is in both the present and historic county so which article should it be linked to. The same applies to other counties G-Man 16:17, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * I agree, but this would be conditioned on using the past tense to describe historic warwickshire. If we have to use the present tense, then keep them separeated. Morwen 16:19, Dec 13, 2003 (UTC)

It only seems to be 80.255 who insists upon using the present tense to describe historic counties, perhaps I could come up with slightly ambiguous wording like, "The traditional boundaries of warwickshire include". Personally I would like to copy the Staffordshire article. I could also draw up a map of warwickshire which showed both the present and traditional boundaries G-Man 16:24, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * Staffordshire seems entirely acceptable to me. By the way, it was't just 80.255 - we had Owain for a while, who posted while 80.255 was mysteriously absent for a month or so.  Morwen 16:27, Dec 13, 2003 (UTC)

I think this issue of whether historic counties exist or not should be settled once and for all. There seems to be two different interpretations of the law on this matter. Perhaps we should write to someone or other who is likely to give a definitive answer on the subject (I'm not sure who perhaps someone in the government or something).

BTW what do you think of my "counties" wording on the Coventry article, I'm sure 80.255 wont like it but there you go G-Man 17:05, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure the government will give a straight answer, see their statement. Also I don't trust 80.255's characterisation of the 1888 act, as specifically leaving traditional counties untouched, so we shouldn't accept that unless we get a full-text of the Act from a trustable source such as the government printers, and it is clearly true. The 'Until' in Coventry implies that West Midlands no longer exists, (which it of course does), but other than that it seems fine.  Morwen 17:08, Dec 13, 2003 (UTC)

I've tweaked that. Perhaps we should try to get our hands on a copy of the act, I'm not sure where from but I'm sure it could be done, and we could attempt to settle this once and for all.

Changing the subject, as I'm rather tired of twittering about counties. What do you think about my Rugby, England article, do you think its ok/ needs improving etc G-Man 17:17, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * Well, it looks fine. If i were editing it, I'd trim down the section at the top, move/integrate some of the history into the history section, and make the top section be about Rugby today and maybe the sport and Whittle.  Um, that's it really. ;) Morwen 17:19, Dec 13, 2003 (UTC)

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