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Michael McClure

Michael McClure (October 20, 1932 – May 4, 2020) was an American poet, playwright, songwriter, and novelist. After moving to San Francisco as a young man, he found fame as one of the five poets (including Allen Ginsberg) who read at the famous San Francisco Six Gallery reading in 1955, which was rendered in barely fictionalized terms in Jack Kerouac's The Dharma Bums. He soon became a key member of the Beat Generation and was immortalized as Pat McLear in Kerouac's Big Sur.

Career overview
Educated at the Municipal University of Wichita (1951–1953), the University of Arizona (1953–1954) and San Francisco State College (B.A., 1955), McClure's first book of poetry, Passage, was published in 1956 by small press publisher Jonathan Williams. Stan Brakhage, a friend of McClure, stated in the Chicago Review that: McClure always, and more and more as he grows older, gives his reader access to the verbal impulses of his whole body's thought (as distinct from simply and only brain-think, as it is with most who write). He invents a form for the cellular messages of his, a form which will feel as if it were organic on the page; and he sticks with it across his life ...

McClure published eight books of plays and four collections of essays, including essays on Bob Dylan and the environment. His fourteen books of poetry include Jaguar Skies, Dark Brown, Huge Dreams, Rebel Lions, Rain Mirror and Plum Stones. McClure famously read selections of his Ghost Tantra poetry series to the caged lions in the San Francisco Zoo. His work as a novelist includes the autobiographical The Mad Cub and The Adept.

On January 14, 1967, McClure read at the Human Be-In event in Golden Gate Park in San Francisco and later became an important member of the 1960s hippie counterculture. Barry Miles referred to him as "the prince of the San Francisco scene".

McClure later courted controversy as a playwright with his play The Beard. The play tells of a fictional encounter between Billy the Kid and Jean Harlow and is a theatrical exploration of his "Meat Politics" theory, in which all human beings are "bags of meat".

McClure's other plays include Josephine The Mouse Singer and VKTMS. He had an eleven-year run as playwright-in-residence with San Francisco's Magic Theatre where his operetta "Minnie Mouse and the Tap-Dancing Buddha" had an extended run. He made two television documentaries – The Maze and September Blackberries – and was featured in several films, including Martin Scorsese's The Last Waltz (1978), where he recites from The Canterbury Tales; Norman Mailer's Beyond the Law (1968); and, most prominently, Peter Fonda's The Hired Hand (1971).

McClure was a close friend of the Doors' lead singer Jim Morrison and is generally acknowledged as having been responsible for promoting Morrison as a poet. McClure performed spoken word poetry concerts with Doors keyboardist Ray Manzarek until the latter's death in 2013; several albums of their work have been released. McClure also contributed the afterword to No One Here Gets Out Alive, Jerry Hopkins's and Danny Sugerman's seminal Doors biography. McClure also released albums of his work with minimalist composer Terry Riley. McClure's songs include "Mercedes Benz", popularized by Janis Joplin, and new songs which were performed by Riders on the Storm, a band that consisted of Manzarek and Doors guitarist Robbie Krieger.

McClure's journalism has been featured in Rolling Stone, Vanity Fair, the Los Angeles Times and the San Francisco Chronicle. He received numerous awards, including a Guggenheim Fellowship, an Obie Award for Best Play, an NEA grant, the Alfred Jarry Award and a Rockefeller grant for playwriting. In addition, he was inducted into the San Francisco State University Alumni Hall of Fame in 2014. McClure remained active as a poet, essayist and playwright until his death and lived with his second wife, Amy, in the San Francisco Bay Area. He had one daughter from his first marriage to Joanna McClure.

The Beard
The Beard is a notably controversial modern play that explores the nature of seduction and attraction, portraying an explosive confrontation between two legendary figures: Jean Harlow, the platinum blonde movie star, and Billy the Kid, the baby-faced outlaw with a hair trigger. They are attracted to each other, but their egos get in the way. She mocks his masculinity, and he tells her she is envious of his beauty. This battle diminishes as they realize that since they are alone together, they are free to shed their burdening facades and give in to what they are truly feeling. The torrent of their unleashed passions leads to a final scene of great controversy, as the play comes to a climax with an act of explicit sexual intimacy between the cowboy and the starlet.

McClure said that he was inspired to write the play by a vision that came to him of a poster advertising a boxing match between Jean Harlow and Billy the Kid. Before he began to write, he went to the printer that created boxing posters in San Francisco and had the poster of his vision printed up. Then, he said, "I put the poster up on fences, windows, and in liquor stores where boxing posters would be, and put one up behind my head in the room I worked in at the time, which overlooked the bridge and the ocean. I could feel the presence of Billy the Kid and Jean Harlow broadcasting from the beautiful poster to the back of my head out towards the ocean. They began enacting the play and I began typing it up. They'd say a few pages, I just typed it. I thought it was a nature poem about mammal sexuality and mammal love. It could have been a tantric ritual."

McClure happened to meet British playwright, Harold Pinter, who then gave words of support to the play, which helped it become noticed and gave courage to those who staged its first production in San Francisco in 1965.

It debuted at the Actor's Workshop Theatre in San Francisco on the December 18, 1965. A second performance followed at Bill Graham's Fillmore Auditorium on the July 24, 1966. With the Fillmore's high profile, the play attracted an audience of 700. After success at the Fillmore, the following month the play opened at The Committee, a theatre nightclub in the North Beach area of the city, where it was hoped it would enjoy a lengthy run.

Now aware of the play's controversial elements, the San Francisco Police Department secretly tape-recorded the first two performances and secretly filmed the third performance. Having failed in their attempts to censor Allen Ginsberg's Howl, the performances of Lenny Bruce and the San Francisco Mime Troupe, the police department was intent on succeeding this time.

At the end of that third performance on August 8, 1966—only the fifth time the play had been performed in public—the San Francisco Police Department raided the venue and arrested actors Billie Dixon (Jean) and Richard Bright (Billy). Under Penal Code Section 647(a) the pair were initially charged with "obscenity", then "conspiracy to commit a felony" and ultimately with "lewd or dissolute conduct in a public place".

The American Civil Liberties Union took the case and represented the actors. Twelve days after the arrests, the play was performed at The Florence Schwimley Little Theatre, in Berkeley. The audience included more than a hundred ACLU-invited expert witnesses, including political activists, academics, writers and even members of the clergy. Seven members of the Berkeley Police Department and the District Attorney's office were also present. Five days later, the city of Berkeley brought its own charges of "lewd or dissolute conduct" against the play. It became a theatrical cause célèbre, until finally, after months of legal deliberation, Judge Joseph Karesh of the San Francisco Superior Court ruled that while the play did contain material of a troublesome nature, it was not appropriate to prosecute such work under the law. All the charges were dropped and the subsequent appeal lost.

Unable to perform in the San Francisco area, the play moved to Los Angeles, where the play's attempt at a run was disrupted by the arrest of both Dixon and Bright at curtain down of fourteen consecutive performances. McClure recalled, "The actor and the actress actually got two standing ovations, one at the end of the play and the second when the police hauled them out of the door and into the waiting wagon and took them off to book them."

The Beard eventually transferred to New York where at the 1967–1968 Obie Theatre Awards, it won Best Director and Best Actress. It has since played successfully all over the world and is a favorite with American university drama groups. The play has enjoyed particular success in London, having been produced there twice. In 1968, actor Rip Torn directed a notable production at The Royal Court Theatre and it has most recently been revived at a smaller venue, the Old Red Lion Theatre in 2006 under the direction of Nic Saunders with new music by Terry Riley. The play is currently out of print in both the US and UK. Saunders would collaborate with McClure a second time in 2008 on the award-winning short film Curses and Sermons, which would mark the first time McClure had authorized a filmed adaptation of one of his poems.

California College of Arts and Crafts
McClure was a popular, celebrated professor of poetry at the California College of Arts and Crafts (now renamed California College of the Arts), in Oakland, California, for many years.

Death
McClure died of stroke-related complications on May 4, 2020, in Oakland, aged 87.

Selected filmography

 * Two (1965) – as himself
 * Be In (1967) – as himself
 * Beyond the Law (1968) – as actor
 * The Hired Hand (1971) – as actor
 * The Last Waltz (1978) – as himself
 * The Source (1999) – as himself
 * Love Her Madly (2002) – as himself
 * The Third Mind (2006) – as himself
 * Curses and Sermons (2008) – based on his work

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Music of Macedonia

Music of Macedonia may refer to:
 * Music of North Macedonia, a sovereign state in southeastern Europe
 * Music of Macedonia (Greece), a region of Greece immediately south of North Macedonia

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Talk:Music of Macedonia

Explanation
1. Macedonia, the land in the Balkans is defined in Wikipedia as a geographical region divided between several different states (GR, RoM, Bul, and minor parts in Albania and Serbia) 2. The Music of Macedonia includes the music in all parts of that geo. region 3. The region called Macedonia within Greece with a capitol Thessaloniki is clearly defined by Wikipedia as Macedonia (Greece) or Greek Macedonia and not solely Macedonia which is a wide term. Thus, I created the article Music of Greek Macedonia (can be also Music of Macedonia (Greece) and so on. 4. Refrain from spreading political propagandha and try to contribute in a constructive way to that article. thank you

Regional music not modern music exclusive of any country
This article is generic. It should not include all kinds of music found in other appropriate articles in specific countries. Maybe a merge with Balkan music would be ok?

Disambiguation page
There is hardly any content in this page. The lists are mostly pasted from the main articles but there is nothing new in the body text. Moreover the head says that there is not one distinct form all around the region - therefore the disjunctive nation of the musical styles would not make for a good coherent article even if someone tried to turn this into one. I am turning this page into a disambiguation page. This is more or less what this page already was, just removing the bloat. Shadow mor ph ^"^ 12:43, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

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 * Thank you. It seems good. I'm sorry that I'm not very active here, but I'll see it and vote sometimes.Kinori 06:37, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

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 * I Put it on Template:Venezuelan parliamentary election, 2005 and explained in its note. Thank you. - Kinori 04:52, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:Who Ate All the Pies?

Major rework undertaken
I have done a rework on this to make it a little more polished - hope you like it now! Brookie:the wind in the grass 15:56, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Should be dramatically expanded so someone not knowledgable about English or Scottish football can understand significance. --Daniel C. Boyer 17:23, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * Definitely. The article seems almost entirely worthless right now. --Shallot 10:58, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Or deleted. Surely you must be joking? I thought this was meant to be a serious encyclopedia -- or at least, meant to be taken seriously. This article does nothing to help establish Wikipedia as a credible and respected source of information. -- Bruce, aka Agendum | Talk 13:54, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

 * You could always contribute instead of sniping! ) Brookie: A collector of little round things 16:32, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

The connection with Willie Foulke is tenuous, to say the least, for reasons I have given in the article (and which were subsequently deleted. I thought this was supposed to be a democratic site.)

Text from Vfd
The following text was on Votes for deletion, and related to the proposed deletion of two pages about individual football chants. The first was turned into a redirect, and discussion moved to Redirects for deletion. The status of the second (this one) remains undecided. There is no consensus to delete it, but some argument about whether it should have a separate article or be merged into football chant. -- Oliver P. 16:20, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

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 * Posh Spice Takes it Up the Arse and Who ate all the pies are short notes on British soccer chants. At best merge into a single Soccer chants page. Bmills 15:42, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is an important chant and should have its own article.  Voyager640 15:26, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * Delete. First is offensive and should not be a title of an article, but it can be in a soccer chants article (no redirect).  The latter could also be merged, I also slightly favor no redirect as well since articles on every chant/slogan will make searches for material including words more difficult.  Navigating from Soccer to Soccer chants or whatever is easy.  Daniel Quinlan 17:59, Nov 26, 2003 (UTC)
 * The former I redirected to Victoria Beckham, and listed on redirects for deletion (bearing Daniel's comments in mind). No opinion on latter. Martin 21:21, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)
 * First is offensive as a title. A page on chants linked to and from soccer makes sense.  I've tried to improve it a bit now with a few links.  Keep the chants page now.  seglea 22:41, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)
 * Delete, put slogan into appropriate article. Delete the redirects too. Fuzheado 09:04, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)
 * Note that the original author has removed the VfD notice from Who ate all the pies. Bmills 11:57, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)
 * These chants are part of football culture and therefore valid. Although potentially offensive as a title in its own right, I think the article itself shows that it is a serious piece of work. Given that wikipedia has all sorts of articles you could class as offensive, I can't see why these ones have been singled out.(comment written by article author Astrotrain)
 * How can an article simply about the chant ever become substantial? Surely it would be better to write about it in the context of the long and varied story of David and Victoria Beckham - otherwise it just seems a tiny article on a childish chant that got sung at Man U games from about two seasons. (I write this because I notice you undid the redirect that Martin put in). Pete 17:02, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)
 * Regardless of the title, I cannot see how it is encyclopedic to cover them individually. A single chants page would make a better and more useful article. Plus, I believe the VfD notification should remain until a consensus is achieved. Bmills 16:57, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)
 * Incorporate both in one soccer chant page to rule them all, delete the redirects. orthogonal 04:04, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)
 * Whether as articles or redirects, keep, for information on authorship (required by the GFDL), to enable people to find the content easily, and to prevent later editors from inadvertently adding the same content again. -- Oliver P. 09:00, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * Authorship isn't an issue, because the information moved out of that article amounts to a couple of sentences. Can't we just ensure they aren't copies, as the same way as we would when basing a couple of sentences on a copyrighted source? Onebyone 13:29, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * There are other ways to keep the page history in order to retain authorship such as moving the page to Talk:Football chant/page history for example. I think both should be redirected to Football chant. Angela 21:45, 3 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * Redirect. Does anybody dispute that these are genuine soccer chants?JackLynch 20:49, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * Even if the authorship question is not an issue, or can be worked around, I think my second and third points are still valid. A fourth point: keeping them allows people to link the chants directly in future, without having to search for where the content on them is. A fifth point: if people would just merge and redirect these sorts of things when they came up, it would save a lot of space on Vfd. A sixth point: I've added some content to Who ate all the pies? that relates to the chant but not to football chants in general, so merging would be a bit silly now! -- Oliver P. 03:28, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * In a purely academic fashion, I note that an article on football chants in general might have sections on particular chants, and that the extra information is no bar to merging these articles in such a fashion. -- Cyan 03:33, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * Merge to a single chants page. Each does not deserve its own article. Tempshill 00:23, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

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Question on University Challenge!
I hope you'll forgive a comment that has nothing to do with improving this article, but I think this is quite amusing. On University Challenge this evening, there was a group of questions about this slogan, and one of them asked what the variant used by the Vegetarian Society as a slogan was. Now, it just so happens that I added the part about the Vegetarian Society to this article. Before that, there was only about one Google match for the phrase; now there are lots, mostly due to copying from Wikipedia. So I would be willing to bet that the question setters got the idea from this very article! And hence, by extension, from me. :) Lucky I didn't just make it up, isn't it? I hope they checked a more reliable source before going ahead and setting it as a question, though, because it would be quite worrying if they were treating Wikipedia as gospel... (Oh, and it probably goes without saying, but the contestants didn't get the answer.) -- Oliver P. 22:18, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I was watching this as well - and commented that the question seemed to have come from here! Power to the Wiki! Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! (Whisper...) 06:40, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

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Second verse
Should additional verses be included? For example, "Who had chips as well?" Mahahahaneapneap (talk) 02:15, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Don't see why not. Particularly if it's commonly sung. Expect some sperg from America or somewhere who's never heard the song or seen a round football to edit it back out though, people are ridiculously fragile-egoed and possessive on this thing, really not what it was intended to be, but that's what happens when you expect work for no money. You get those who find their "reward" in other ways, and the pettier the power, the pettier the person.

 * Anyway, pardon that, but I felt duty-bound to warn you, even improving an article sets off the wrong-brains of some. But yes you (anyone) should! Perhaps different regions have different versions. But that'd be "original research", according to people who've never been to a match cos they're scared of men in crowds. That brings down the tone of a song about fat bastards.

 * 90.243.234.191 (talk) 13:41, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Knees up Mother Brown
I'm not a songatologist, but if this song preceded "Knees Up Mother Brown", could it be that Mother Brown took it's tune from "Pies"? The latter, to this day, is well known among working-class people and probably more as well. We even sang it at school as kids, years ago (though not in sight of a teacher!). So whoever composed "Knees Up" might well have known it. Maybe Mother Brown is one of those cases of a rude song adapted for the music hall to be slightly less rude, there were plenty of those.

Particularly, the lyrics fit the tune perfectly. As if one was created for the other, and usually song lyrics are at least altered, if not created, to fit in with a tune. Have the lyrics always been the same, even pre-Mother Brown? It's compelling evidence. Football chants tend to develop organically in the stands and pubs, sometimes to existing tunes, sometimes not.

90.243.234.191 (talk) 13:35, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Who wrote this crap?
>In England, fans at football games sometimes eat meat pies before kick-off or at half-time. On occasion there are not enough pies to go round and so any player looking a little overweight gets heckled with the question "Who ate all the pies?".

I'm unsurprised that this isn't cited, because it's a load of unsubstantiated rubbish. 'Who ate all the pies' is a general phrase (in England at least, I can't speak for the US) to take the piss out of a fat person. The idea that its origin is specifically linked to meat pies at football games just has no basis whatsoever. Can I remove this paragraph? Jthistle38 (talk) 12:32, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

 * Be Bold and delete it if you think it isn't correct. Padgriffin  Griffin's Nest 12:35, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

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The Bias Against Guns

The Bias Against Guns: Why Almost Everything You've Heard About Gun Control Is Wrong is a book by John Lott, following up on his controversial More Guns, Less Crime. It is intended to reach a broader audience than its highly technical predecessor. Lott explores what he sees as misconceptions about gun ownership, including the practice of carrying concealed weapons.

Main topics
The Bias Against Guns has two parts. The first explains what Lott believes is the source of false information about gun ownership. The second examines the issues regarding gun ownership, paying specific attention to topics that often arise in debates over gun politics.

Reception
Lott's book has been well received by those in the pro-gun lobby and amongst conservatives more generally. Two reviewers on the website National Rifle Association's Institute for Legal Action describe how Lott's book:

"has thrown a monkey wrench into the plans to disarm civilians. Readers who understand human nature and the mechanism of deterrence will find validation for everything they have intuitively known. As Lott has done in the past, he does so again with an unparalleled intensity."

Lott discussed the book in an April 2004 event held by the Frontiers of Freedom Institute, which was broadcast on C-SPAN.

The book has been criticized by the some members of scientific community. John V. Pepper, Professor of Economics at the University of Virginia, wrote that "Lott distorts anecdotal evidence about biases, misrepresents the relevant empirical literature, and presents evidence that cannot be used to draw credible conclusions about the effects of gun laws on crime." Similarly, David Hemenway, director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center, concludes that "Much that Lott writes is either wrong or misleading."

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Talk:Fennec fox

Pets
wouldnt it be a good thing to place a " fennecs as pets" section here? they make wonderfull pets..... Gabrielsimon 21:40, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * This question comes awfully close to being flamebait, as there are those who have very strong opinions about keeping non-domesticated animals as pets. That said, there is a section on the raccoon page, which is a similar situation... so I don't see this as a problem, though Wikipedia rules on keeping a neutral point of view should be observed. [shrug] This page is young. Go for it. See what happens. JRice 21:00, 2005 Jun 1 (UTC)

Do you have a fennec? If not, how do you know they make good pets? Dora Nichov 12:17, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

The question can be re-directed: Do you have a Fennec? Several facts can be ascertained, if you bothered to look. (1) There is an established community of Fennec owners. (2) There are Fennec breeders throughout the US (which is one of the larger markets for exotic pets). (3) The Fennec is generally recognized as the only species of fox that possible to keep as a domestic pet.

However, it is an error to call such pets domesticated. It hasn't gone through the long period of breeding and taming that loosely defines domesticated breeds. What makes it possible to keep as a pet is the ease of its temperment and the ability to socialize it. But socialization is neccesary for any pet. A domestic breed not socialized to human contact and left to its own devices will go feral.

The best suggestion is to look for reliable sources of information from Fennec owners (Fennec Fox Directory or About.com's info on Fennec Foxes) and then present opposing opinions of those who are against the ownership of any exotic pets.--David3565 03:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes I agree that while you don't want invite "flame bait" sections in the article, Fennecs are an obscure exotic pet that is growing in popularity, therefore it should be listed somewhere in the article, as those are real facts and shouldn't be withheld from a reader. PrecociousPeach (talk) 18:26, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

if it helps
if anyone wants to know more about the habits of domesticted fennecs, it might be good to join a yahoo group called fennec fox, or a cordial fennec group. or fennec resources. they have breeders and many owners as members, who might be able to asnwer questions. Ketrovin 12:34, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Arabic origin of fennec
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Strictly speaking this is not a request for translation of an article, but I don't know where else to put this. In the fennec article the following appears: The name "fennec" apparently comes from the Arabic word for fox. Can an Arabic speaker verify this and expand or delete as appropriate? -EDM 16:02, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm a native arabic, and i don't think i've ever heard the word "fennec" in my life. i'm deleting this section from the article.--Amr Hassan 12:09, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It could be possible even if you're a native arabic. The arabic language is very complex, for example, did you know that there's more than 200 words that means "lion" in arabic? CG 12:28, September 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * According to dictionary.com, it comes from Arabic fanak, but it doesn't explain what fanak means. Zoe 19:05, September 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * According to an arabic dictionnary, فنك (fanak) means (This is an approximate translation):
 * An animal species from the Canidae family and the Carnivora order. Similar to a fox. He has large pointy ears, soft furr, agile legs. He wanders from sunrise to sunset. He feeds on birds, insects and reptiles. His habitat is the African continent and the Arabic peninsula. His furr in one of the best {Persian).
 * So "fennec" comes from the Arabic "fannak" which according to the last word comes from Persian.
 * Please add this conversation to Talk:Fennec and the information to the fennec article specifying the source. CG 20:32, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

The Punic & Arabic related Maltese language uses tal-Fenek for Rabbit. Fenech is a Maltese family name & the complication there is the possibility of the Italian origin Finocchio - Fennel (but also a pejorative slang term for a gay man). I recall seeing a news article on one of the Australian boxers of the name who claimed the Rabbit or Hare translation. This would make the Fennec Fox a Rabbit[-eared] Fox (i.e. Fox is NOT redundant here). 124.188.100.155 (talk) 13:21, 6 April 2014 (UTC) Ian Ison

another arabic popular dictionary that mentions that Fanak -with one N- means (This is an approximate translation): a type of foxes, its fur is one of the best furs. Al Mua'jam Al Wajiz, the arabic language academy, Egypt 1999 --Ashashyou (talk) 22:03, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I've just way toned down the suggestion that zerda is from Greek xeros: this is virtually impossible linguistically. First, you have to be an English-speaker, so that initial X gets pronounced as Z. This doesn't happen in other languages. Next you have to pretend that that D isn't there or that random D's can just get added to words. Presumably it's some kind of native name for the animal (Berber? who know?)... 19:37, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Uh-oh
The page on foxs does not include the fennec fox as a domesticated fox, but instead refers to the silver fox as the only domesticated fox. Likewise, the silver fox article says it is the only domesticated fox.

Genus
If this source classifys the genus as vulpes why is the binominal name Fennecus zerda?--Bjw e  bb (talk) 10:46, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Taxonomy
I removed the Taxonomy section because it made questionable statements about the origin of "zerda". Someone had to have known what "zerda" meant in order to apply the name in the first place. Species names don't come out of nowhere. Coyoty 00:43, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

fennec story hero
A very good children's book is "Mischief in Fez", set in Morocco and featuring a fennec named Baha as the boy protagonist's spirit guide to the world of the djinni.

68.8.166.237 05:38, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

le petit prince
isn't this genus of fox one which told about "taming" to the prince in the Saint Exupery's little prince? as the fox there is also lives in the sahara desert... this coincides and implies that he was a fennec.

Fennec or fennec
It strikes me that this page has fennec sometimes written with an upper case F and sometimes with lower case. Shouldn't someone work out standard spelling and do the whole page with one and the same name for this gorgeous animal? BuzzWoof 12:51, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Asse?
Some crosswords include the word asse for the Fennec and googling it comes up with a few uses, but I cannot find this in dictionaries. Does anyone hear know in what context if any this name is/was used? And if so, should it be listed as an alias of the Fennec? 41.243.28.73 21:29, 24 September 2007 (UTC) (A wandering browser)

Exotic pets
I took this out because it doesn't really have to do with Fennec's but with exotic pets in general:

The issue of owning exotic pets is controversial. Requirements of behavior, diet, environment, socialization, and the demands of the time and attention needed to keep an exotic are often very high. Such factors may not be conducive to the lifestyle of an average person, be more than they are personally willing to invest, or even require special expertise. All these factors, along with the real or perceived danger in handling non- or semi-domesticated animals, are often strongly cited as reasons for never considering the purchase or adoption of an exotic pet. Whatever the decision, such factors must be considered in responsible ownership and care of any pet.

Arthurian Legend 01:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Enjoyment Of Pets
To say that one animal is more enjoyable than another is a matter of personal taste, and probably shouldn't be stated as fact.

89.125.45.167 09:25, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

ayo. its emily. peace out. yeahh boi  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.154.236.195 (talk) 23:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Updating taxonomy
I will be updating the Canidae taxonomy and common names to match Mammal Species of the World (3rd ed, 2005) as follows:

 * Family Canidae
 * Genus Vulpes
 * Vulpes lagopus - Arctic Fox (4 subspecies)
 * Vulpes macrotis - Kit Fox
 * Vulpes pallida - Pale Fox (5 subspecies)
 * Vulpes bengalensis - Bengal Fox
 * Vulpes cana - Blanford's Fox
 * Vulpes chama - Cape Fox
 * Vulpes corsac Corsac Fox (2 subspecies)
 * Vulpes ferrilata - move Tibetan Fox to Tibetan Sand Fox (includes ekloni)
 * Vulpes rueppellii - Rüppell's Fox (5 subspecies)
 * Vulpes velox - Swift Fox (includes hebes)
 * Vulpes vulpes - Red Fox (45 subspecies)
 * Vulpes zerda - move Fennec to Fennec Fox
 * Genus Atelocynus
 * Atelocynus microtis - Short-eared Dog
 * Genus Canis
 * Canis adustus - Side-striped Jackal (6 subspecies)
 * Canis aureus - Golden Jackal (13 subspecies)
 * Canis latrans - Coyote (19 subspecies)
 * Canis lupus - Grey Wolf - (37 subspecies, including dingo, familiaris and lycaon)
 * Canis mesomelas - Black-backed Jackal (2 subspecies)
 * Canis simensis - Ethiopian Wolf (2 subspecies)
 * Genus Cerdocyon
 * Cerdocyon thous - Crab-eating Fox (6 subspecies)
 * Genus Chrysocyon
 * Chrysocyon brachyurus - Maned Wolf
 * Genus Cuon
 * Cuon alpinus - Dhole (3 subspecies)
 * Genus Dusicyon
 * Dusicyon australis - Falkland Islands Wolf
 * Genus Lycalopex
 * Lycalopex culpaeus - Culpeo (6 subspecies) was in Pseudalopex genus
 * Lycalopex fulvipes - Darwin's Fox was in Pseudalopex genus
 * Lycalopex griseus - South American Gray Fox new article
 * Lycalopex gymnocercus - Pampas Fox (5 subspecies) was in Pseudalopex genus
 * Lycalopex sechurae - Sechuran Fox new article
 * Lycalopex vetulus - Hoary Fox was in Pseudalopex genus
 * Genus Lycaon
 * Lycaon pictus - African Wild Dog (5 subspecies)
 * Genus Nyctereutes
 * Nyctereutes procyonoides - Raccoon Dog (5 subspecies)
 * Genus Otocyon
 * Otocyon megalotis - Bat-eared Fox (2 subspecies)
 * Genus Speothos
 * Speothos venaticus - Bush Dog (3 subspecies)
 * Genus Urocyon
 * Urocyon cinereoargenteus - Gray Fox (16 subspecies)
 * Urocyon littoralis - Island Fox (6 subspecies)

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Updating Geographical Locations
The current version of the article says Fennecs are only located in North Africa and Saudi Arabia.. but I'm deployed to Iraq and I see these guys ALL the time (you have to be good at braking on loose gravel to avoid hitting them at night). Anyone got enough free time to search out a verifiable resource so this location can be added to the article? 214.13.173.15 (talk) 13:33, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Drinking Water comment
I cannot believe that any animal could go for years without drinking water. This is most likely an exaggeration. 63.3.3.1 (talk) 05:14, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

 * You underestimate the amount of water that can be obtained through food consumption, as well as other factors. The Fennec Fox is not the only animal that can go for extreme amounts of time between drinks of water. - UtherSRG (talk) 05:31, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Picture Problem
Is the main/first picture in the article of a Fennec fox?

Its ears don't look long enough. Its head looks wrong - muzzle point vs head width. The body seems a bit big, too.

Can a different picture be put up? Even if it actually IS a fennec, I think it'd be better to have the fox in the main picture look more fennec-like. Gatorgirl7563 (talk) 17:27, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I've removed the image, following a thread at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dogs. Feel free to replace it with another one which is not in doubt... bobrayner (talk) 17:53, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

 * I'm the original photographer, and by no means a taxonomist. If not a Fennec, then what? I feel the photo is a good representation, and that it was shot in the wild should surely be a plus. I've examined the other photos I have of this individual- the other candidate would be Rüppell's fox- especially considering the muzzle point as mentioned. However, the tail tip on this individual was black, and the back of the ears were dark. This still suggests Fennec to me.

Darylnovak (talk) 00:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Title and animal English name wrong
The title of this page must, ASAP please, be changed to fennec; I can find no authority in any encyclopaedia or dictionary for the phrase "fennec fox" with the first word being either attributive or adjectival. All English dictionaries (and I have more than 20 here including Chambers, Collins, Oxford, Merriam-Webster, American Heritage, Macquarie (Australian English) and many others) and Britannica give only the simple noun fennec as the name of this species of animal. Iph (talk) 20:09, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess this is because of IUCN. Materialscientist (talk) 23:58, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

In that case I caught this a good many years too late. For some unfathomable reason, some scientist evidently decided that the single word English name, fennec, which is derived from the Arabic word meaning simply "fox", and appeared in every English language dictionary and encyclopaedia as the name for an animal of this species, so was totally unambiguous, wasn't long enough, and so wrote in some scientific paper that had to mention the species that the English name for this species consisted of two words, without there ever being any dictionary or encyclopaedia entry justifying such a change. We are now apparently stuck for ever with a name that is almost twice as long, and is a totally superfluous pleonasm: "fennec fox" is about as sensible as "River Avon" (where the name "Avon" means "river). But whereas in the latter the name (Avon) refers to only one geographical example so that people from elsewhere might well not be aware that the bare name "Avon" meant "river", in the case of the fennec it is a common name, not a proper name, and so was in every English dictionary and encyclopaedia, and could be looked up.  This is like renaming in ordinary English usage certain other well-known species (and it is obvious in each case which ones I mean although several are actually generic i.e. they are ordinary English terms covering more than one actual species) the "tiger cat", the "heron bird", the "python snake", the "termite insect" and so on. In the case of the fennec, the name has only ever referred to one species; however I do note that in one of the documents listed in the Red List entry, namely the North American regional studbook, where the English name asserted is "fennec fox", the Latin name of the fennec is given as Fennecus zerda. So much for scientific precision and uniqueness of nomenclature. People make mistaks in scientific literature. If there are multiple papers that reference the fennec but give the Latin name Fennecus zerda instead of Vulpes zerda (if that is indeed now the agreed scientific name), it ought still to be possible to go back and correct this unnnecessary almost-doubling of the English name of the species and re-assert the simple name "fennec" which is totally unambiguous (unlike many other English names of species such as "tiger") and totally unlike any other English word and very clear and simple as it is. However, I admit that making that change will involve more than just the article here at Wikipedia. Who is up for doing it?! Iph (talk) 12:08, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I haven't read this whole post, but as far as how to move pages: since this may be disputed, and non-admins presumably can not move this page to "fennec", show that the term is more widely used and open a requested move. "Fennec fox" is definitely a legitimate name, if not the more common one, so we don't need to correct every inbound link. Wikipedia article names reflect usage, scientific names reflect classification: they're a different story. Looks like you may be right, though I'm sceptical as to your theory on the origin of the form "fennec fox". —innotata 23:01, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note, sika deer is a widely used term originating in Japan. It is a repetition, because in Japanese sika is the only (commonly used) word for deer. This is to say that our ignorance in foreign languages results in such terms, but there is little we can do about it. Materialscientist (talk) 07:12, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I think it is also particularly an Americanism, like 'dodo bird' and 'kiwi bird', of the stating-the-bleeding-obvious kind that make me want to tear my hair out. 86.154.218.83 (talk) 14:51, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Spelling
The spelling is not consistent in the article. There is some regular spelling with some British extra letters thrown in. in this revision, it is the first to use any spelling, and they used regular spelling, not British. I checked WP:RETAIN. 71.168.152.247 (talk) 17:36, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

 * Agreed. I've made some behaviour->behavior changes, which were the only inconsistencies that I noticed. (Also, you really shouldn't call it "regular spelling".) --Bongwarrior (talk) 19:36, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Uhum, 71.168.152.247 - British spelling is regular spelling, to many Commonwealth speakers. There is no 'correct' or 'regular' form of British - all are equally valid. So please don't present US English as the 'norm' or somehow more regular or correct than any other version of English. However, as per MOS, the article should be in the English variety of its first version, if it has no ties via its subject matter to a nationality. 86.154.218.83 (talk) 14:49, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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Should Eevee and it's evolutions be in the Cultural depictions?
Eevee is a fennec fox merged with a cat, so i think adding it along with it's evolutions (except Espeon) is a good idea83.23.78.190 (talk) 06:54, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Lack of neutrality in the "as pets" section
I have noticed a general lack of neutrality in the "as pets" section. I understand that keeping non-domesticated animals as pets is controversial, but unequivocally stating hand rearing fennecs is "unethical" when even the cited source material makes no such claim is not promoting a neutral viewpoint. I have removed reference to the ethicality of hand rearing and noticed another user appropriately removed language referring to the feelings of the fennec fox. I mention this here just to encourage users and editors to keep an eye on this section, and perhaps write a more objective criticism of fennec foxes as pets if the need arises (citing a source about health or wellness in captivity might be appropriate, though I am of the impression that extrapolating the feelings of the animal based on nothing is not).

24.2.51.82 (talk) 02:15, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Species that are related to Fennec Foxes
One of the many species that are related to Fennec foxes are Red foxes. Their lineage is separated by 51 mutations. These two species show similar characteristics, hunting style, activity style, and feed on the same preys. ChristyUIC (talk) 03:07, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Melmann 13:44, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Omaru Polka
Omaru Polka is a Japanese character personifying a fennec fox. Why is this less of a cultural depiction than a World of Warcraft reference to fennec foxes? Each time this actually legitimate update is added, it is immediately deleted without a reason given. Is this xenophobia or is there a reason why a major entertainer is less of a cultural depiction than a character in Zootopia or a Pokemon? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:9001:3D06:6B00:74A3:32A0:BBF7:A55A (talk) 12:48, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Does David Tennant as fennec fox count as popular culture
I don't know how to add references, but the actor David Tennant was compared with a Fennec Fox by author and showrunner of Good Omens Neil Gaiman (Tennant acts in the show) resulting in an ongoing gag among fans with pictures of fennec foxes and David Tennant with similar poses or looks on several social media platforms from handles dedicated to matching and posting such images. The idea is that they are identical. "David Tennant as fennec fox" should show several such results on Twitter, Google Images, etc. The comparison is widely accepted by fans resulting in images of fennec foxes referred to as David Tennant, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.242.197.247 (talk) 01:15, 7 March 2022 (UTC) https://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/19887304.meme-day-herald-diary/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.242.197.247 (talk) 01:18, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Cultural Depictions
Fennekin from Pokémon is based on the fennec fox. I tried adding this but it was reverted. 88T3 (talk) 01:08, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

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Garden State Bowl

The Garden State Bowl was an annual post-season college football bowl game played at Giants Stadium in East Rutherford, New Jersey, from 1978 until 1981. Freezing temperatures each year at the game, together with a lack of successful local college teams, contributed to its rapid demise.

Effects
After the demise of the Garden State Bowl following the 1981 game, the New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority, which operated and scheduled events at Giants Stadium, decided to host a game in the beginning of the season, rather than the end. This led to the formation of the Kickoff Classic, which was held either the last week of August or the first week of September every year for 20 seasons.

title: Garden State Bowl


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Agostino Agazzari

Agostino Agazzari (2 December 1578 – 10 April 1640) was an Italian composer and music theorist.

Life
Agazzari was born in Siena to an aristocratic family. After working in Rome, as a teacher at the Roman College, he returned to Siena in 1607, becoming first organist and later choirmaster of the cathedral there. He was a close friend of Lodovico Grossi da Viadana, the early innovator of the basso continuo.

Agazzari wrote several books of sacred music, madrigals and the pastoral drama Eumelio (1606). Stylistically, Eumelio is similar to the famous composition by Cavalieri, Rappresentatione di Anima, e di Corpo of 1600, a work of singular significance in the development of the oratorio. In the preface to the drama he mentions that he was asked to set the text to music only one month before the performance; he composed the music in two weeks, and copied the parts and rehearsed it in the remaining two weeks, a feat which would be impressive even in the modern age.

Agazzari is best known, however, for Del sonare sopra il basso (1607), one of the earliest and most important works on basso continuo. This treatise was immensely important in the diffusion of the technique throughout Europe: for example, Michael Praetorius used large portions of it in his Syntagma musicum in Germany in 1618-1619. As was true with many late Renaissance and early Baroque theoretical treatises, it described a practice which was already occurring. In large part it was based on a study of his friend Viadana's Cento concerti ecclesiastici (published in Venice in 1602), the first collection of sacred music to use the basso continuo.

Most of his compositions are sacred music, of which motets of the early Baroque variety (for two or three voices with instruments) predominate. All of the motets are accompanied by basso continuo, with organ providing the sustaining line. His madrigals, on the other hand, are a cappella, in the late Renaissance style, so Agazzari simultaneously showed extreme progressive tendencies as well as some more conservative ones: unusually, his progressive music was sacred, and his conservative was secular, a situation almost unique among composers of the early Baroque.

He died in Siena.

Theoretical works

 * Del sonare sopra'l basso con tutti li stromenti e dell'uso loro nel conserto. Siena: Domenico Falcini, 1607.
 * La musica ecclesiastica dove si contiene la vera diffinitione della musica come scienza, non più veduta, e sua nobilità. Siena: Bonetti, 1638.

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Gotham Bowl

The Gotham Bowl was a post-season college football bowl game that was played in New York City, United States, in 1961 and 1962. The game was initially created as a fund-raising attempt for the March of Dimes.

The game was not a success financially: the two games that were played both lost money as few fans were willing to sit through the frigid December New York weather. Additionally, as it was essentially a charity game, it had little financial capital on which it could survive.

1960
In what was supposed to be the game's inaugural year, the bowl hoped to invite Syracuse, but no invitation was extended when Syracuse announced immediately after its season ended that it would not accept any post-season offers. An Army–Air Force matchup fell through, so the bowl extended an offer to Oregon State. Holy Cross, and Colorado turned down invitations after bowl officials mishandled the invitation process, leaving Oregon State with no opponent, forcing the bowl to postpone for another year.

1961
The following year, the Gotham Bowl managed to find two teams to play, Baylor and Utah State, for the game at the Polo Grounds. Baylor won 24–9 in front of a sparse crowd of 15,123. (It was the penultimate college football game played at the Polo Grounds; Army defeated Syracuse 9–2 in front of 29,500 on September 29, 1962.)

1962
The 1962 edition of the Gotham Bowl, played in Yankee Stadium, was particularly tormented with poor planning and bad luck. The Miami Hurricanes (with a 7–3 record) were invited, but no opponent could be found. Finally, on December 4, 1962, just eleven days before the game, the Gotham Bowl invited Nebraska, which had just finished an 8–2 season under first-year head coach Bob Devaney. However, the day before the contest, the pilot of the Cornhuskers' team plane refused to leave the Lincoln airport until the bowl's check for expenditures cleared, which it did. (Miami made a similar demand and received their $30,000 expense check up front.)

In addition, the 1962–63 New York City newspaper strike began on December 8 and showed little sign of resolution, all but assuring that the Gotham Bowl would receive virtually no coverage in its own city. The contest was, however, aired on national television by ABC's Wide World of Sports.

The weather did not cooperate, either. A damp, 14 F day limited the official attendance to just 6,166 (plus 5,000 tickets given away). Perhaps a few thousand stalwarts were actually in the stands at kickoff.

The game itself was a thriller: Nebraska edged Miami 36–34, despite an MVP performance by Miami (and future professional) quarterback George Mira, who passed for 321 yards and a pair of touchdowns. It was the Cornhuskers' first trip to the Big Apple in four decades, after beating Rutgers at the Polo Grounds 28–0 in 1920. Nebraska has not played a game in New York City proper since, although they have played in suburban New Jersey in the now-defunct Kickoff Classic (in 1983, 1988 and 1994) and in Big Ten Conference games at Rutgers (in 2015 and 2020). For the Hurricanes, it was only their second trip to New York, having lost to Fordham at the Polo Grounds in 1953; they would not return to NYC until 2018, when they lost to Wisconsin in the Pinstripe Bowl.

The poor attendance ensured the 1962 Gotham Bowl would be the last one played.

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Talk:Chinese literature

Do we need the << >> symbols?
Really hard to read something like that
 * 《三国演义》 (The Romance of the Three Kingdoms) by Luo Guanzhong (罗贯中 luo2 guan4 zhong1)

 * Are those 《 》 necessary ? I think that they are usefull in a Chinese text were some ambiguities occur with titles. But here the reader know that it is a name of a book, no ?

 * I would really love a bot to change those numbers meng2 ma4 to tones ''méng mà"

Include/don't include
Amy DeMattei and Maxine Kingston are not Chinese. I do not think that they should be included in a discussion of Chinese Litteratre alongside Chinese authors.

I believe that Confucius (Kong zi) should be mentioned along with Zhuang zi, Meng zi, etc. He is, after all, believed to be more prominent.

Searching for a Qing Dynasty author
I am writing a page on Jow Tong, the archery teacher of Yue Fei. Now Yue Fei has a fictional wuxia novel called Telling the Complete Biography of Yue Fei and the original was written by Qian Cai during the Qing Dynasty. I know of there being a second edition written during the late Qing Dynasty by another person, but I don’t know their name.

I recently came across the following page that describes Yue Fei’s biography:

"The Complete Story of Yue Fei was written by Qian Cai and Jin Feng based on all kinds of legends about Yue Fei. Yue Fei was the major character in the novel. He was a national hero and patriotic general, but he was, at the same time, stubbornly loyal to the incompetent government. Negative characters such as Wu Zhu and the Qin Hui couple were also vividly portrayed. Feudal society was in a gradual decline in the late Ming and early Qing dynasties. Discussions about love, marriage and codes of ethics were the major subjects in fiction of this period. The Marriage that Awakes the World belonged to this category. It described the entanglement of marriages between two families engaged in a blood feud. The novel vividly portrayed a host of characters from different social classes, profoundly revealing the seamy side of social reality and acutely reflecting the rise of mercantile forecast the end of feudal society. This was a long novel of more than 1 million Chinese characters."

The copy of the Complete Story of Yue Fei I have only mentions Qian Cai. Who is this Jin Feng author? Is he the author of the second edition? What else has he written besides this fictional biography? (Ghostexorcist 04:44, 11 January 2007 (UTC))

Additions
I recently added Shen Kuo and Su Song to the list of contributors, noting their scientific/technological bent. --PericlesofAthens 15:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I just added the new section and info on Chinese historiography.--PericlesofAthens 01:50, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I expanded the History text section to include large Chinese encyclopedias written over the ages.--PericlesofAthens 00:54, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Art of War?
No mention of this classic? That seems an oversight. I'd put it in myself but I don't feel knowledgeable enough.

However that work is not considered "literature." Philipmerrill (talk) 05:27, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Drama?
I added some pre-20th century drama titles that are mentioned elsewhere in Wikipedia, but had to post the list under the "novels" section -- is that the best place to put it?

Aristophanes68 21:49, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Themes
It would be great for this article to contain a summary and analysis of the major THEMES in Chinese literature. Do we have any experts who can handle this task? --Cantaire87 21:46, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Does it include....
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Does this include the the alphabet in chinese, maybe the many alphabets in chinese? Does the chinese alphabet actually have thousands of characters? Could anyone who knows this answer, please e-mail it to me at affieet@gmail.com. This information is for a school project (I'm in 6th grade)

Thank you Afreenat —Preceding unsigned comment added by Afreenat (talk • contribs) 20:57, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

New category, need articles
I have created a subcategory for Category:Stock characters by characteristics called Category:Fictional elderly martial arts masters. I'm sure there are some people on here that know of some articles that can fit into this category. Thanks. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 18:56, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Deletions
I removed "Chinese writers on the mainland felt Gao did not authentically represent China." A subjective assertion with no citation regarding Gao Xingjian's receipt of the Nobel Prize for Literature in 2000.

cf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PROVEIT#Burden_of_evidence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.236.89.143 (talk) 04:52, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

New Material
Hello all! my name is Amber and I'm doing an article for a class requirement. The piece that I initially composed for our group project - literature and feminism- does not fit with the rest of the article and I thought it made a lot of sense to place it here in this article. I made some adjustments to the content so that it would fit with the flow. Please feel free to make any changes to better suit you all and leave me some feed back on what you think about the additions on my talk page. Thanks You! Ajr36 (talk) 22:02, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Dates: BCE/CE or BC/AD?
I see that both BCE and BC are being used in the article; per the MOS, it should be one or the other. Has this issue been addressed already? If not, I suggest using BCE/CE throughout, since they're more neutral (i.e., not specifically Christian) and therefore more appropriate than BC/AD. Thoughts? Aristophanes68 (talk) 20:19, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

 * I agree that BCE and CE should be used. --Darktower 1  2  3 4  5  00:53, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

 * I notice that the Han Dynasty article, which covers both BCE and CE, has already made the switch. Aristophanes68 (talk) 05:32, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Chinese poetry Jan. 2012 revision
Because I dare to replace the chunk that's there with a new passage (that I spent a few months writing and reviewed with an expert), it's important to me to preserve what was here previously. It has problems, yet it's short, but I tried to base my revision on its general approach and want to preserve its exact language in case anyone thinks I did it an injustice:

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Along with the earlier Shijing, or Classic of Poetry, one of the earliest and most influential poetic anthologies was the Chuci (楚辭，楚辞) (Songs of the South), made up primarily of poems ascribed to the semi-legendary Qu Yuan (屈原) (c. 340-278 BCE) and his follower Song Yu (宋玉) (4th century BCE). The songs in this collection are lyrical and romantic and represent a different tradition from the earlier Shijing. During the Han Dynasty (206 BCE-CE 220), this form evolved into the fu (賦，赋), a poem usually in rhymed verse except for introductory and concluding passages that are in prose, often in the form of questions and answers. The era of disunity that followed the Han period saw the rise of romantic nature poetry, which was heavily influenced by Taoism. The Han Chinese astronomer, mathematician, and inventor Zhang Heng (78–139 CE) was also largely responsible for the early development of Shi (詩，诗) poetry.

Classical poetry reached its zenith during the Tang Dynasty (CE 618–907), and thus this type of poetry is known as Tang poetry. The early Tang period was best known for its lushi 律诗 (regulated verse), an eight-line poem with five or seven words in each line; Zi (verse following strict rules of prosody); and jueju （绝句）(truncated verse), a four-line poem with five or seven words in each line. The two best-known poets of the period were Li Bai (701–762) and Du Fu (712–770). Li Bai was known for the romanticism of his poetry; Du Fu was seen as a Confucian moralist with a strict sense of duty toward society. Later Tang poets developed greater realism and social criticism and refined the art of narration. Among the best-known of the later Tang poets was Bai Juyi (772–846), whose poems were a critical commentary on the society of his time. Li Yun (789–831) was an eclectic poet, writing mainly "Palace poetry". The Quantangshi, or complete Tang Poems (全唐詩) was not fully compiled until 1705 CE, during the Qing Dynasty.

Subsequent writers of classical poetry lived under the shadow of their Tang predecessors, and although there were many poets in subsequent dynasties, none reached the level of this period. As the classical style of poetry became more stultified, a more flexible poetic medium, the ci (詞，词), arrived on the scene. The ci, a poetic form based on the tunes of popular songs, some of which were of Central Asian origin, was developed to its fullest by the poets of the Song Dynasty (960–1279 CE). The Song era poet Su Shi (1037–1101 CE) mastered the ci, shi, and fu forms of poetry, as well as prose, calligraphy, and painting.

As the ci gradually became more literary and artificial, Sanqu, a more free form based on dramatic arias, developed. The use of sanqu songs in drama marked an important step in the development of vernacular literature.

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The problems include: So much attention on Chuci but underrepresentation of Classic of Poetry; I love Chinese characters but this is introductory and their use is not consistent; the claims about Zhang Heng are really offbeat as far as contemporary academic writing on the subject; the use of "zenith" for Tang poetry buys into one side of a debate I refer to in my revision; the reference to the "Zi" form is almost certainly a chimera caused by Wade-Giles romanization (it most likely refers to Ci, albeit that a Zi Ye style existed pre-Tang that doesn't fit the description); as for the reference to the collection of Tang poems I've left this out - it's not a problem but it's also a side point and collections can be addressed more directly on other Chinese poetry pages about collections (we have these!). I note an improved reference to Sanqu which included a misstatement when I began this project (thanks). Anyway, I hope my revision is seen as POSITIVE and I'm happy to help other editors making it better (or sit back happily while they do so). Philipmerrill (talk) 05:47, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Other Languages
What about other languages. Tibetan for instance. Would they not come under literature from China as well? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.91.132.197 (talk) 15:46, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * They should go under the article Tibetan literature as this is Chinese language literature, as in Chinese script. --Cold Season (talk) 15:56, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Chinese literature
http://books.google.com/books?id=KZ0lJDL_1nsC&pg=PA320&lpg=PA320&dq=Miao+++colloquial&source=bl&ots=bHtiBue9lW&sig=m7KqlIksiIdPIXK5h-DPjGgvmlE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=E6F7UMnUHc2I0QHtkoEY&ved=0CGoQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=Miao%20%20%20colloquial&f=false

05:39, 15 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghressho (talk • contribs)

Qing dynasty literature
http://books.google.com/books?id=ERY6AQAAIAAJ&pg=PR11&dq=thousand+character+classic+manchu&hl=en&sa=X&ei=RhCoUOSZGunm0gHZhYGgBQ&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=thousand%20character%20classic%20manchu&f=false

Jerezembel (talk) 22:41, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

List of Qing dynasty literature in chinese and manchu languages compiled by the Royal Asiatic Society
http://books.google.com/books?id=saJDAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA24#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=LVkDAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA24#v=onepage&q&f=false

The list includes the names of the titles in chinese characters and romanized manchu.

Rajmaan (talk) 21:52, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Manchu literature article?
Thanks once more to u|Rajmaan for his work, particularly adding the item on Manchu literature. This addition suggests that Manchu literature is an important topic which deserves its own article. I am not qualified to write anything extensive, but someone, perhaps Rajmaan or would start at least a stub, to which I would be glad to add a few bits and pieces, such as the Treasures of the Yenching and Chuimei Ho's Splendors of the Forbidden City, both of which have some material. ch (talk) 15:06, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

http://www.jstor.org/stable/3217747?seq=4

http://www.jstor.org/stable/2719468

http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.2307/23351361

http://www.jstor.org/stable/4130134

Rajmaan (talk) 22:21, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

 * Here are the articles above in Wikipedia citation form:

ch (talk) 04:35, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Done. Manchu literature.

Rajmaan (talk) 06:35, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

This article should take a more chronological approach
Per WP:NOTJOURNAL, we should not be assuming our English-speaking readers already know what "classical literature" and "modern literature" are, and we probably shouldn't expect them to click on the wikilinks and read the (often not immediately clear) leads of the other article to find out when a particular work was written or when a particular person lived. Most books I have consulted on the topic of "Chinese literature" don't break the chronology down into simply "classical" and "modern", and while they do have sections on genres, they have those sections within broader chapters on, say, pre-Qin literature, literature of the Tang dynasty, and so on.

We should firmly define (in the lead) what the breakdown between "classical" and "modern" is about. The closest the article comes to this now is saying In this sense, late Qing fiction is modern. This is also technically inaccurate if we are contrasting "modern Chinese literature" to "classical Chinese literature", and if by "classical Chinese literature" we mean "classical Chinese literature"; that distinction is not strictly chronological. I don't know enough about the topic to say for definite, but were there really no vernacular works composed before the end of the Qing dynasty?

We should also have the entire article broken down in to sections based on periods (not literary genres or forms). Dynasties work fine for me, but I'm not sure about further breakdowns (most of the Japanese sources I have consulted on Chinese poetry like to break the Tang dynasty down into smaller chunks like 初唐 and 盛唐).

What do others think?

Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 05:24, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

 * In all honesty, I have been avoiding this article for years simply because rewriting/reworking it will be such a daunting task; I then realized, however, that it's not necessarily daunting, but rather just large, since there are now quite a few good sources on Chinese literature that we could take as our guide, especially the Cambridge History set from 2010.

 * That being said, I'm not sure that a purely chronological approach is the most appropriate here. I foresee a "types"-based approach being better here, except for a "History" subsection that itself will probably be a truncated version of a separate "History of Chinese literature" page (this is what happened at Fu (poetry)). I also suspect that this article will have real WP:LENGTH problems if we aren't very disciplined in our writing.   White Whirlwind  咨   05:19, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Proposal to remove lists of writers; possibly to a list page
Unless there is objection, after a week or so, I will move the lists of poets, prose writers, and modern writers, possibly creating a list page or maybe add to a category, if I can do it without a lot of trouble.

The reason is that they take up a lot of space, they are not used in the articles on other national literatures, and are not necessay, since they should be covered in a category. ch (talk) 22:40, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

 * @CWH, I agree with you that this is a good idea. JArthur1984 (talk) 14:50, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure that improvement of lists for Chinese literature can be done in the right way, without going to some trouble. Maybe not too much trouble! Fortunately enough, some work has already been done in this area. For example, there is already an existing article List of Chinese-language poets. It should be easy enough to go through and make sure that list from the "Chinese literature" is properly merged into that. Similarly for the "8 Great" Tang and Song "masters". The "Classic Chinese Novels" article also has a list. There is also an existing List of Chinese writers. I agree that from an architecturally encyclopedic perspective that the somewhat extensive lists embedded in the "Chinese literature" article should for the most part be handled in subsidiary articles. However, I would encourage the maintenance and development of lists, or as I guess we seem to be thinking now, as lists of lists. A pertinent discussion of this can be seen at Articles for deletion/List of poems in Chinese or by Chinese poets. So, I do not see that cleaning up the "Chinese literature" article should be "too much trouble", especially if leveraging the existing list structures. Happy editing! Dcattell (talk) 18:34, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

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Prince Rupert, British Columbia

Prince Rupert is a port city in the province of British Columbia, Canada. Its location is on Kaien Island near the Alaskan panhandle. It is the land, air, and water transportation hub of British Columbia's North Coast, and has a population of 12,220 people as of 2016.

History
Coast Tsimshian occupation of the Prince Rupert Harbour area spans at least 5,000 years. About 1500 B.C. there was a significant population increase, associated with larger villages and house construction. The early 1830s saw a loss of Coast Tsimshian influence in the Prince Rupert Harbour area.

Founding
Prince Rupert replaced Port Simpson as the choice for the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway (GTP) western terminus. It also replaced Port Essington, 29 km away on the southern bank of the Skeena River, as the business centre for the North Coast.

The GTP purchased the 14,000 acre First Nations reserve, and received a 10,000 acre grant from the BC government. A post office was established on November 23, 1906. Surveys and clearing, that commenced in that year, preceded the laying out of the 2,000 acre town site. A $200,000 provincial grant financed plank sidewalks, roads, sewers and water mains. Kaien Island, which comprised damp muskeg overlaying solid bedrock, proved expensive both for developing the land for railway and town use.

By 1909, the town possessed four grocery, two hardware, two men's clothing, a furniture, and several fruit and cigar stores, a wholesale drygoods outlet, a wholesale/retail butcher, two banks, the GTP Hotel and annex, and numerous lodging houses and restaurants. The first lot sales that year created a bidding war.

Prince Rupert was incorporated on March 10, 1910. Although he never visited Canada, it was named after Prince Rupert of the Rhine, the first Governor of the Hudson's Bay Company, as the result of a nationwide competition held by the Grand Trunk Railway, the prize for which was $250.

With the collapse of the real estate boom in 1912, and World War I, much of the company's land remained unsold. The GTP also planned a large hotel, the Château Prince Rupert, connected to a railway station and passenger ship pier, all of which went unbuilt. Charles Melville Hays, president of the GTP, whose business plan made little sense, was primarily responsible for the bankruptcy of the company, and the establishment of a town that would take decades to achieve even a small fraction of the promises touted. Mount Hays, the larger of two mountains on Kaien Island, is named in his honour, as is a local high school, Charles Hays Secondary School. The Prince Rupert station, a listed historic place, replaced a temporary building in 1922.

20th and 21st centuries
Local politicians used the promise of a highway connected to the mainland as an incentive, and the city grew over the next several decades. US troops finally completed the road between Prince Rupert and Terrace during World War II to help move thousands of allied troops to the Aleutian Islands and the Pacific. Several forts were built to protect the city at Barrett Point and Fredrick Point. After the attack on Pearl Harbor, the Canadian government planned to level off Mount Hays, the largest mountain to the southeast of the city, to allow for a potential airstrip due to its tactical location and advantage.

After World War II, the fishing industry, particularly for salmon and halibut, and forestry became the city's major industries. Prince Rupert was considered the halibut capital of the world from the opening of the Canadian Fish & Cold Storage plant in 1912 until the early 1980s. A long-standing dispute over fishing rights in the Dixon Entrance to the Hecate Strait between American and Canadian fisherman led to the formation of the 54-40 or Fight Society. The United States Coast Guard maintains a base in nearby Ketchikan, Alaska.

In 1946, the Government of Canada, through an order in council, granted the Department of National Defence the power to administer and maintain facilities to collect data for communications research. The Royal Canadian Navy was allotted forty positions, seven of which were in Prince Rupert. In either 1948 or 1949, Prince Rupert ceased operations, and the positions were relocated to RCAF Station Whitehorse, Yukon. The 1949 Queen Charlotte earthquake, with a surface wave magnitude of 8.1 and a maximum Mercalli intensity of VIII (severe), broke windows and swayed buildings on August 22.

In summer 1958, Prince Rupert endured a riot over racial discrimination. Ongoing discontent with heavy-handed police practices towards Aboriginals escalated to rioting during BC centennial celebrations following the arrest of an Aboriginal couple. As many as 1,000 people (one-tenth of the city's population at the time) began smashing windows and skirmishing with police. The Riot Act was read for only the second time since Confederation.

Over the years, hundreds of students were said to have largely paid their way through school by working in the lucrative fishing industry. Construction of a pulp mill began in 1947 and it was operating by 1951. In 1958, Indo-Canadian industrialist Sohen Singh Gill established Prince Rupert Sawmills at the location of the old dry dock on Prince Rupert's waterfront. In the 1960s, the majority of the town's workforce was employed either in the fishery or at Gill's sawmill. The construction of coal and grain shipping terminals followed. From the 1960s into the 1980s, the city constructed many improvements, including a civic centre, swimming pool, public library, golf course and performing arts centre (recently renamed "The Lester Centre of the Arts"). These developments marked the town's changes from a fishing and mill town into a small city.

In the 1990s, both the fishing and forestry industries suffered a significant downturn. In July 1997, Canadian fishermen blockaded the Alaska Marine Highway ferry M/V Malaspina, keeping it in the port as a protest in the salmon fishing rights dispute between Alaska and British Columbia. The forest industry declined when a softwood lumber dispute arose between Canada and the USA. After the pulp mill closed, many people were unemployed, and much modern machinery was left unused. After reaching a peak of about 18,000 in the early 1990s, Prince Rupert's population began to decline, as people left in search of work.

The years from 1996 to 2004 were difficult for Prince Rupert, with closure of the pulp mill, the burning down of a fish plant and a significant population decline. 2005 may be viewed as a critical turning point: the announcement of the construction of a container port in April 2005, combined with new ownership of the pulp mill, the opening in 2004 of a new cruise ship dock, the resurgence of coal and grain shipping, and the prospects of increased heavy industry and tourism may foretell a bright future for the area. The port is becoming an important trans-Pacific hub.

Geography
Prince Rupert is on Kaien Island (approximately 770 km northwest of Vancouver), just north of the mouth of Skeena River, and linked by a short bridge to the mainland. The city is along the island's northwestern shore, fronting on Prince Rupert Harbour. It lies at similar latitudes to Cumbria and the city of Newcastle-Upon-Tyne in the northeast of England.

At the secondary western terminus of Trans-Canada Highway 16 (the Yellowhead Highway), Prince Rupert is approximately 16 km west of Port Edward, 144 km west of Terrace, and 715 km west of Prince George.

Climate
Prince Rupert has an oceanic climate (Köppen Cfb) and is also located in a temperate rainforest. Prince Rupert is known as "The City of Rainbows", as it is Canada's wettest city, with 2620 mm of annual precipitation on average, of which 2530 mm is rain. In addition, 240 days per year receive at least some measurable precipitation, and there are only 1230 hours of sunshine per year, so it is regarded as the municipality in Canada that receives the lowest amount of sunshine annually. Tourist brochures boast about Prince Rupert's "100 days of sunshine". However, Stewart, British Columbia, receives even less sunshine, at 985 sunshine hours per year.

Out of Canada's 100 largest cities, Prince Rupert has the coolest summer, with an average high of 15.67 C. Winters in Prince Rupert are mild by Canadian standards, with the average afternoon temperature in December, January and February being 5.2 C, which is the tenth warmest in Canada, surpassed only by other British Columbia cities.

Summers are mild and comparatively less rainy, with an August daily mean of 13.8 C. Spring and autumn are not particularly well-defined; rainfall nevertheless peaks in the autumn months. Winters are chilly and damp, but warmer than most locations at a similar latitude, due to Pacific moderation: The January daily mean is 2.4 C, although frosts and blasts of cold Arctic air from the northeast are not uncommon.

Snow amounts are moderate for Canadian standards, averaging 126 cm and occurring mostly from December to March. Snowfall in Prince Rupert is rare and the snow normally melts within a few days, although individual snowstorms may bring copious amounts of snow. Wind speeds are relatively strong, with prevailing winds blowing from the southeast.

The highest temperature ever recorded in Prince Rupert was 32.2 C on 6 June 1958. The lowest temperature ever recorded was -24.4 C on 4 January 1965.

Demographics
In the 2021 Census of Population conducted by Statistics Canada, Prince Rupert had a population of 12,300 living in 5,072 of its 5,747 total private dwellings, a change of NaN% from its 2016 population of 12,220. With a land area of 66 km2, it had a population density of in 2021.

Population by age group (2001 Canadian census and BC Stats Population Estimates, 2004):
 * Under 18 years = 4,320 (28.2%)
 * 18 – 34 years = 3,370 (22.0%)
 * 35 – 54 years = 5,020 (32.8%)
 * 55 – 74 years = 2,075 (13.6%)
 * 75 years and over = 515 (3.4%)
 * Total = 15,300 (100.0%)
 * Median age = 34.8

Ethnicity
As of the 2001 Canadian census, among Canadian municipalities with a population of 5,000 or more, Prince Rupert had the highest percentage of First Nations population.

Religion
According to the 2021 census, religious groups in Prince Rupert included:
 * Irreligion (6,825 persons or 56.0%)
 * Christianity (4,335 persons or 35.6%)
 * Sikhism (415 persons or 3.4%)
 * Buddhism (190 persons or 1.6%)
 * Hinduism (165 persons or 1.4%)
 * Islam (95 persons or 0.8%)
 * Indigenous Spirituality (30 persons or 0.2%)
 * Judaism (15 persons or 0.1%)

Government

Prince Rupert is part of the Skeena—Bulkley Valley federal riding (electoral district). Taylor Bachrach is the Member of Parliament for the riding, and is a member of the New Democratic Party.

In the Legislative Assembly of British Columbia, Prince Rupert is a large portion of the North Coast riding. Jennifer Rice is the Member of the Legislative Assembly. She is a member of the New Democratic Party of British Columbia. The NDP traditionally has strong support in the region.

Education
Prince Rupert is in BC School District 52 along with Port Edward. A Coast Mountain College campus is located at 353 5th Ave that also serves as a campus for the University of Northern British Columbia.

Notable residents

 * Thomas Dufferin "Duff" Pattullo, politician: mayor of Prince Rupert, and Premier of British Columbia (1933 to 1941); member of the Liberal Party.
 * Alexander Malcolm Manson, the first lawyer in Prince Rupert, was elected in 1916 to the BC Legislature in the riding of Omineca, Speaker of the House in 1921, appointed as both Attorney-General and Minister of Labour in 1922; later appointed to the BC Supreme Court.
 * Iona Campagnolo, politician: Prince Rupert City Council, Liberal Party candidate elected in the federal riding of Skeena; in 1976 she was appointed Minister of Amateur Sports. President of the Liberal Party of Canada in 1982, and served as British Columbia's Lieutenant-Governor from 2001 to 2007.
 * Dan Miller, politician: elected to the Prince Rupert Electoral District, and from August 1999 through February 2000 was Premier.
 * Frederick Peters, former Premier of Prince Edward Island and legal partner of Sir Charles Hibbert Tupper, served as City Solicitor from 1911 to 1919.
 * Rod Brind'Amour, former captain of the NHL's Carolina Hurricanes
 * Lisa Walters, LPGA golf champion
 * Paul Wong, Canadian video artist, now based in Vancouver, British Columbia
 * Sid Dickens, an artist, now based in Vancouver, British Columbia
 * Gloria Macarenko, Canadian journalist, co-anchor CBC Vancouver, born and raised in Prince Rupert
 * Takao Tanabe, CM, OBC is a painter
 * Bernice Liu, is an actress and singer
 * John S. MacDonald, university professor, founding principal of MacDonald, Dettwiler and Associates Ltd
 * Don Yeomans, Haida artist

Industry
Prince Rupert relies on the fishing industry, port, and tourism.

Seaport

A belief at the beginning of the 1900s that trade expansion was shifting from Atlantic to Pacific destinations, and the benefit of being closer to Asia than existing west coast ports, proved wishful. Reduced transit times to eastern North America and Europe did not outweigh the fact that rail transport has always been far more expensive than by sea. The opening of the Panama Canal in 1914 exacerbated the problem.

During 1906–08, the federal government undertook a hydrographic survey of the Prince Rupert harbour and approaches, finding it free of rocks or obstructions, and sufficient depth for good anchorage. Furthermore, it offered an easy entrance, fine shelter, and ample space. By 1909, a 1,500-foot wharf had been constructed.

The port possesses the deepest ice-free natural harbour in North America, and the 3rd deepest natural harbour in the world. Situated at 54° North, the harbour is the northwesternmost port in North America linked to the continent's railway network. The port is the first inbound and last outbound port of call for some cargo ships travelling between eastern Asia and western North America since it is the closest North American port to key Asian destinations. The CN Aquatrain barge carries rail cargo between Prince Rupert and Whittier, Alaska.

Passenger ferries operating from Prince Rupert include BC Ferries' service to the Haida Gwaii and to Port Hardy on Vancouver Island, and Alaska Marine Highway ferries to Ketchikan, Juneau and Sitka and many other ports along Alaska's Inside Passage. The Prince Rupert Ferry Terminal is co-located with the Prince Rupert railway station, from which Via Rail offers a thrice-weekly Jasper – Prince Rupert train, connecting to Prince George and Jasper, and through a connection with The Canadian, to the rest of the continental passenger rail network.

The Prince Rupert Port Authority is responsible for the port's operation.

Much of the harbour is formed by the shelter provided by Digby Island, which lies windward of the city and contains the Prince Rupert Airport. The city is on Kaien Island and the harbour also includes Tuck Inlet, Morse Basin, Wainwright Basin, and Porpoise Harbour, as well as part of the waters of Chatham Sound which takes in Ridley Island.

Port facilities

Prince Rupert is ideally located for a port, having the deepest natural harbour depths on the continent. The city's port capacity is comparable with the Port of Vancouver's. Unlike most west coast ports, there is little traffic congestion at Prince Rupert. Finally, the extremely mountainous nature and narrow channels of the surrounding area leaves Prince Rupert as the only suitable port location in the inland passage region.

The Prince Rupert Port Authority (PRPA) is a federally appointed agency which administers and operates various port properties on the harbour. Previously run by the National Harbours Board and subsequently the Prince Rupert Port Corporation, the PRPA is now a locally run organization.

PRPA port facilities include:

 * Atlin Terminal
 * Northlands Terminal
 * Lightening Dock
 * Ocean Dock
 * Westview Dock
 * Fairview Terminal
 * Prince Rupert Grain
 * Trigon Pacific Terminals (formerly Ridley Terminals)>
 * Sulphur Corporation

All PRPA facilities are serviced by CN Rail.

The Canadian Coast Guard maintains CCG Base Seal Cove on Prince Rupert Harbour where vessels are homeported for search and rescue and maintenance of aids to navigation throughout the north coast. CCG also bases helicopters at Prince Rupert for servicing remote locations with aids to navigation, as well as operating a Marine Communications Centre, covering a large Vessel Traffic Services zone from Port Hardy at the northern tip of Vancouver Island to the International Boundary north of Prince Rupert.

Both BC Ferries and the Alaska Marine Highway operate ferries which call at Prince Rupert, with destinations in the Alaska Panhandle, the Haida Gwaii, and isolated communities along the central coast to the south.

Airport
Prince Rupert Airport (YPR/CYPR) is on Digby Island. Its position is 54.28611°N, -130.44472°W, and its elevation is 35 m ) above sea level. The airport consists of one runway, one passenger terminal, and two aircraft stands. Access to the airport is typically achieved by a bus connection that departs from downtown Prince Rupert (Highliner Hotel) and travels to Digby Island by ferry. The airport is served by Air Canada from Vancouver International Airport (YVR).

Prince Rupert is also served by the Prince Rupert/Seal Cove Water Aerodrome, a seaplane facility with regularly scheduled, as well as chartered, flights to nearby villages and remote locations.

Railway
CN Rail has a mainline that runs to Prince Rupert from Valemount, British Columbia. At Valemount, the Prince Rupert mainline joins the CN mainline from Vancouver. Freight traffic on the Prince Rupert mainline consists primarily of grain, coal, wood products, chemicals, and as of 2007, containers. As the renovations at the Port of Prince Rupert continue, traffic on CN will steadily rise in future years.

In addition, a three times weekly Jasper – Prince Rupert train operated by Via Rail connects Prince Rupert with Prince George and Jasper. Running during daylight hours to allow passengers to be able to see the scenery along the entire route; the service takes two days and requires an overnight hotel stay in Prince George. The route ends in Jasper and connects passengers with Via's The Canadian, which runs between Toronto and Vancouver.

Communications
Telephone, mobile, and Internet service are provided by CityWest (formerly CityTel). CityWest is owned by the City of Prince Rupert. CityWest provides long-distance telephone service, as does Telus.

In September 2005, the city changed CityTel from a city department into an independent corporation named CityWest. The new corporation immediately purchased the local cable company, Monarch Cablesystems, expanding CityWest's customer base to other northwest British Columbia communities.

Since January 2008, Rogers Communications has offered GSM and EDGE service in the area—the first real competition to CityWest's virtual monopoly. Rogers offers local numbers based in Port Edward (prefix 600), which is in the local calling zone for the Prince Rupert area. The introduction of Rogers service forced Citywest to form a partnership with Bell Canada to bring digital services to Citywest Mobility, using CDMA.

In December 2013, CityWest and TELUS announced it was transitioning out of the cellular business over 2014 and would partner with TELUS to bring CityWest wireless customers onto TELUS' 4G wireless network.

Radio

 * AM 860 – CFPR, CBC Radio One
 * FM 98.1 – VF2119, classic rock (repeats CFNR-FM, Terrace)
 * FM 99.1 – CHTK-FM, EZ Rock 99.1
 * FM 100.7 – CIAJ-FM, Christian programming
 * FM 101.9 – CJFW-FM-2, country music (repeats CJFW-FM, Terrace)

Television

 * Channel 6 – CFTK-TV-1, CTV 2 (repeats CFTK-TV, Terrace)

Newspapers

 * Prince Rupert Daily News, daily newspaper, (1911–2010)
 * The Northern View, local weekly newspaper, 2006–present, owned by Black Press
 * The Northern Connector, regional weekly newspaper covering Prince Rupert, Kitimat and Terrace areas, 2006–present, owned by Black Press

Tourist attractions

Prince Rupert is a central point on the Inside Passage, a route of relatively sheltered waters running along the Pacific coast from Vancouver, British Columbia to Skagway, Alaska. Due to the Passenger Vessel Services Act of 1886, many cruise ships visit during the summer en route between Alaska to the north and Seattle and the Lower 48 to the south.

Prince Rupert is also the starting point for many wildlife viewing trips, including whales, eagles, salmon and grizzly bears. The Khutzeymateen Grizzly Bear sanctuary features one of the densest remaining populations in North America; tours can be arranged by water, air (using float planes) or land departing from Prince Rupert.

Neighbouring communities
By virtue of location, Prince Rupert is the gateway to many destinations:
 * Dodge Cove (1 km, west)
 * Metlakatla (5 km, west)
 * Port Edward (15 km, south)
 * Lax Kw'alaams (Port Simpson) (30 km, northwest)
 * Oona River (43 km, southwest)
 * Kitkatla (65 km, south)
 * Kisumkalum (140 km, east)
 * Kitselas (142 km, east)
 * Terrace (146 km, east)
 * Hartley Bay (157 km, southeast)

The Haida Gwaii are to the west of Prince Rupert, across the Hecate Strait. Alaska is 49 nmi north of Prince Rupert.

In popular culture
The book Unmarked: Landscapes Along Highway 16, written by Sarah de Leeuw, includes an essay about Prince Rupert entitled "Highway of Monsters".

Ra McGuire of the band Trooper wrote the song "Santa Maria" on a boat in Prince Rupert's Harbour.

Amuro Ray, the protagonist of the anime series Mobile Suit Gundam, was born and raised in Prince Rupert.

In 2024, former Prince Rupert city councillor Blair Mirau released a book about the history of the city and region titled The City of Rainbows: A Colourful History of Prince Rupert, published by Heritage House.

title: Prince Rupert, British Columbia