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Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (films)

Wikipedia has articles on films not movies
Made it clear that using the disambiguator (film) is actually a rule - that is; using (movie) or similar is not just alternative usage, it is not accepted. CapnZapp (talk) 21:55, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

How to properly disambiguate films from the same year?
What is the proper procedure when you can't disambiguate films with the same title in the same year easily "by country"? E.G. Wolf (2021 drama film) vs. Wolf (2021 thriller film)? Are you supposed to disambiguate by director? Or by "genre"? The latter seems problematic to me, which is why I have reservations about the "Wolf" example above. Or is there some other way?... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:34, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Is and  too bad? —El Millo (talk) 17:49, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It would go by geographical location of the owning company before it would be director/genre/etc.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  17:59, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

 * There's a mix
 * By director: Carmen (1915 Cecil B. DeMille film), Carmen (1915 Raoul Walsh film)
 * By genre: The Visitor (2007 drama film), The Visitor (2007 short film)
 * By country: Michael (2011 Austrian film), Michael (2011 Indian film)

 * Personally, in the case of Wolf, I'd stick with the current page titles (genre) and def. avoid country in this case, as one of them is a co-production.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 19:44, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

 * Disambig'ing "by genre" is generally a terrible, imprecise way to do it, to the point where WP:NCTV goes to great lengths to avoid that. Diambig'ing "by format (e.g. "animated" vs. "live-action", "short film" can also work in this case) is vastly preferable, where applicable, but disambig'ing "by genre" is a pretty bad idea (e.g. "thriller" is actually a "subgenre" of "drama", so how are we even disambiguating here?!). My advice: if you can't disambig. "by year", "by country", or "by format", then the next choice should be something like "by director" – disambiguating "by genre" shouldn't even really be an option, or it should be a super-last-resort option, at best. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:08, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree. The example "by genre" that Lugnuts brought up is also incorrect as "short film" isn't a genre and the short film could still be a drama, so the disambiguation doesn't work. The Visitor (2007 drama film) should be The Visitor (2007 feature film) to be properly unambiguous. —El Millo (talk) 20:24, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree that genre is not the way to go with this. As IJB states it is imprecise. At this moment the one labeled drama has no sourced info describing it as such (or as any other genre for that matter) and the one labeled thriller includes a reference whose title is "Wolf Movie Review: Engaging psychological drama derailed by a shaky third act" and another ref that says watching it is a thrilling experience but does not ascribe the film to that genre. I have a vague memory that we used the directors name as the dab years ago but I could easily be wrong. In this case I think using the names is the best choice. MarnetteD|Talk 20:36, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

 * I also agree that genre isn't the best disambig to use. Director would probably be the best (or least-worst) choice for this case. Shame that the Irish-Polish film wasn't a Hungarian production, then at least it could be Hungary like the wolf...  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:13, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

 * Your director examples are like that because they are both American films. Thus, they had to be taken to another level because you couldn't use "1915 American film". Just because I'm not sure why this wasn't mentiond from the getgo. But this is directly in the guidelin: "For multiple films of the same name that are produced in the same year, include additional information such as the country of origin (adjective), like Noise (2007 Australian film) and Noise (2007 American film); or contrasting descriptive adjectives, such as Heidi (2005 live-action film) and Heidi (2005 animated film) or Skin (2018 feature film) and Skin (2018 short film)." Notice how we started with country of origin, and then moved to the next disambiguation (animated vs. live-action). The next one would be akin to genre, but again we started with country of origin.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  12:10, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm probably wrong about this but I sense that guideline comes from a time when the film project was more simplistic (and I don't use that word as a negative) in its use of "country" - since then we've had discussions about the term in relation to whether "county where filming took place" or "country where the production company was based" etc, as the defining factor. I'm pretty sure the use of country in both the infobox and the lede has altered over the years. It might be worth a discussion to update the guideline you mention. My apologies if I am way off base on this. MarnetteD|Talk 17:14, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

 * You're right, the term has had some debate over the years, but I don't think that's a problem with this guideline. We've had more issues with films and identifying a defining "genre" for the film. There are more edit wars and debates over whether a film is a comedy, drama, superhero, action, romance, etc. film than there are as to whether it is a US film versus a UK film. Genres of current films are also more fluid today than the country of origin of a film. Additionally, there are more roles to making a film than the director. Saying "Superman (1978 Richard Donner film)" makes it seem like the most important fact is that it is a Donner film and minimizes the roles of the writer, producer, etc. By saying the country as the second disambiguation (after year), the most you're going to have to worry about is whether or not there is disagreement over the country of origin, which really does not happen that much.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  17:51, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. I should add that two films with the same title in the same year doesn't occur very often so your point is fine. IMO the two Wolf films that this thread is about should be moved sooner rather than later MarnetteD|Talk 18:53, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The country of origin tends to be the country of the production company, not the country where filming takes place. These two films' countries aren't in question, their leads list their countr(ies) of origin. The "problem" is that one of them has dual "nationality", that's why it seeems it shouldn't be moved to distinction by country, but I see no problem with doing it. There are no length problems here, since the title is one four-letter word and the countries' names are rather short as well. and  isn't bad at all. —El Millo (talk) 19:06, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree that genre disambig is bad. Usually I'd be put off by the hyphenated dual nationality for the one but the scourge of director primacy is much worse than that, as implies, so I agree with  about using nationality being the least worst option. —Joeyconnick (talk) 20:59, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * What about language? Most readers wouldn't know the English-language film is an Irish-Polish production, while they would definitely know it's in English. Had it been a production of a single anglophone country, the countries would have been perfectly intuitive disambiguators, but readers couldn't be quite sure if the "2021 Irish-Polish film" is definitely what they're looking for upon seeing it. There are precedents, like Dracula (1931 English-language film) vs Dracula (1931 Spanish-language film), even though many of them seem to be old multiple-language versions. Nardog (talk) 14:01, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I think the reason you have "English language" and "Spanish language" for Dracula is because they were both US productions by Universal in the same year. So, in that special case it made sense that you would go down further so something else that separated them out. That's more of an outlier than something that needs a rule.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  14:47, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

When was WP:PRIMARYFILM added to the page?
There can be no such thing. We have an editor now at WP:RM undiscussed moves here arguing on the basis of this shortcut that there is such a thing as primary film rather than WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. This shortcut should be removed from page and the shortcut deleted. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:16, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Are you disputing the technical shortcut or the content it leads to? Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 11:51, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The shortcut, it suggests that there is such a thing as primary film, there is not. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:42, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Having a shortcut to this section of the MOS is useful. The section simply stipulates how to disambiguate film titles when the film is not the primary topic. The editor at that discussion quoting this guideline is not making the case that there is a "primary film", they are correctly opposing the move on the grounds that MOS:FILM does not do partial disambiguation. The nominator of the move is the one incorrectly arguing that there is a "primary film", but he is not quoting this guideline. Betty Logan (talk) 21:03, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * So what is the point of a guideline link to a guideline that (correctly) says the opposite? Or maybe that is the point. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:43, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Formerly untitled/upcoming media
After a months-long discussion at, there was no consensus to create a new speedy deletion criterion for redirects with the word "untitled" or "upcoming" that point to creative works no longer untitled or upcoming, despite clear consensus from past RfD discussions that these redirects should be deleted (1, 2, 3, 4, 5). As an alternate proposal, I suggest the following be added to WP:NCFILM, which can then be referenced in future RfD discussions: Once again pinging participants of the previous discussion:. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:23, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think that's fine. Perhaps provide a link to the relevant discussions. BD2412  T 19:27, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your perseverance . The text looks good to me. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:38, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Thanks, Indagate (talk) 19:50, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is sorely needed.★Trekker (talk) 19:53, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * This is fine guidance for now. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 20:17, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * As guidance, its not bad but "preferably after all incoming links in the mainspace have been updated" is not strong enough - all incomming mainspace links must be retargetted before any nomination, and there needs to be a delay between the article being moved and the redirect being nominated for deletion to ensure that as many people as possible are able to find the article at the new location (this is especially important when the new title takes any form of disambiguation). There should also be a sanity check in there to ensure that, as far as possible, people are looking for the article at the new rather than old title. Thryduulf (talk) 20:38, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * You are free to make those objections in the RfD discussions itself, as you have done so in the past (to little success, I might add). The guideline should simply reflect the consensus on what to do with these redirects, which is deletion. Also, it isn't a requirement to clear all incoming links before nominating a redirect to RfD. InfiniteNexus (talk) 21:13, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * indeed it is not because it is not the correct thing to do in all circumstances. It is however something that needs to be done for all of these types of redirects - its harmful enough to the encyclopaedia that we delete these redirects while they are still in use, creating redlinks in our own articles is truly cutting off our nose to spite our face. Similarly the delay between moving the article and nominating for deletion - at the very least we need to allow time for search engines to catch up. Thryduulf (talk) 23:03, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * This sounds fine in general. re: 's objection, I'd be fine changing preferably to should, but think must is perhaps too strong. Jclemens (talk) 23:31, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Why is "must" too strong? When is it ever going to be a good idea to nominate these redirects for deletion before all the incoming links are fixed? Thryduulf (talk) 23:44, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * They can be fixed afterward ... InfiniteNexus (talk) 01:04, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * That doesn't answer either question. Thryduulf (talk) 09:09, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia will not be broken because of some red links possibly getting left behind. There are enough editors in the Film Project that any redirects would be taken care of quite swiftly.  Mike   Allen  01:46, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * In which there are enough editors to fix the redirects before we make it harder for our readers to find the article they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 09:07, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree with this proposal  Mike  Allen  01:46, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

I have added in the text to WP:UFILM, with a few slight adjustments and minor c/e. Thryduulf, I hope this satisifes your concern regarding updating incoming links. Feel free to perform additional c/e as needed. Thanks all. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:34, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Articles (a/an/the) as disambiguators
Hi all - I recently participated in a requested move discussion (at Talk:Endless (2020 film)) where it was stated that the terms a/an/the are generally, on their own, seen as insufficient to distinguish titles of films from one another. I was curious to see if this was the case, so I did a bit of searching - but the first applicable case I found, Prestige (film) vs. The Prestige (film), seemed to contradict the claim. However, I'm not well versed in this topic area, so I wanted to bring my question in front of people who are better informed about film-article titling practices than I am. My thoughts are mainly as follows: ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 18:22, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Is it the case that a/an/the alone are normally seen as insufficient disambiguation for the titles of film articles?
 * If it is the case, WP:NCFILM should be amended to say so explicitly, as this would constitute an exception in the otherwise determinative policy at WP:SMALLDETAILS.
 * Per WP:SMALLDETAILS, a/an/the should be sufficient in disambiguation. InfiniteNexus (talk) 01:20, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * agree... WP:SMALLDETAILS says an article would be sufficient. —Joeyconnick (talk) 03:54, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

OVA
Should original video animations be disambiguated as (OVA)? I'm asking because someone tagged Sonic the Hedgehog (OVA) as not having a correct name per naming guidelines, but I looked through other OVAs, and many of them are disambiguated as such. I think this needs to be added to the guideline. TarkusAB talk / contrib 23:30, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Willow
Apparently, there was an RM in November of last year which attempted to move Willow (film) to Willow (1988 film), per WP:PFILM, but it was closed as no consensus. Looking at WP:PDABLIST, this is — as far as we know — the only article on Wikipedia which doesn't conform to our guideline. What can and should we do about this? InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:13, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

RMs challenging PFILM
Two RMs have been opened directly challenging WP:PFILM: InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:16, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Talk:Aladdin (1992 Disney film)
 * Talk:Vertigo (film)

General conventions
I find it somewhat odd that this page doesn't have more "general" guidance on how film articles are named. There's only that small blurb at the top of the page, but it only mentions capitalization and italics. At a minimum, I think the following points should be noted: InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:25, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Normally, we use the official title as indicated by the billing block, MPAA certificate, or copyright offices
 * We use the title used at the time of the original release (e.g. Raiders of the Lost Ark)
 * Sometimes, we use an alternative common name (e.g. Rogue One)
 * We don't use international titles (e.g. The Fate of the Furious)
 * If the article title differs from the actual title, the latter should be the first thing in the lead (e.g. Borat)
 * Here's what I'm thinking:

 * Did I miss or go overboard with anything? InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:10, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

 * I personally think this is a great idea, and the examples you came up with are stellar. If I had to nitpick, I would only suggest finding ways to improve the formatting & spacing. Having it like that line after line just strikes me as cluttered. Maybe eliminating the bullet points in front of each line of examples would be a start. We could also highlight the topic for each example to make it stand out more.
 * This is just spitballing, but maybe something more like this:

 * Just my 2¢ --GoneIn60 (talk) 21:03, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Updated version:

 * InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:58, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me. --GoneIn60 (talk) 03:01, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I am going to add this in now, seeing as there has been no opposition. As this wording documents existing and longstanding practices, I don't feel additional !votes of approval are strictly necessary. InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:08, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Special:Diff/1183755278 – How so? InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:24, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

 * If the article title is X and the film's actual title is Y, then it would be acceptable to open with something like: "X, theatrically released as Y, ..." or "X, officially titled Y, ..." While there may be some instances where you'd want to mention Y first, it would seem unnecessary to enforce a particular approach. -- GoneIn60 (talk) 19:39, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Because we bold the article title, official names and alternative names. That is clearly stated in MOS:BOLDLEAD, MOS:BOLDALTNAMES. Unrelated to my comment, but also relevant, this is a naming convention guideline, bolding names does not belong here and is a guideline fork. Gonnym (talk) 19:39, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * MOS:FIRST: I have never seen a film article's lead structured the other way round, or any article about a proper name, for that matter. Can you give an example? InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:48, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Borat. Gonnym (talk) 19:52, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Huh? That article very much does not open with "Borat, officially titled ..." InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:57, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you even remember what text I removed? You wrote the bolded term that opens the lead sentence which can be understood to mean that other terms should not be bolded. If everything should be bolded, why mention it? If you actually meant to say, that the official film title should be the first title that opens the lead sentence then you should have written it like that. Either way, again, that belongs in MOS:FILM and not here. Gonnym (talk) 20:00, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Birdman (film) is an example of an article starting with the short name and not with its official long name Gonnym (talk) 20:09, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Because you just changed it? If an article title is a stylization rather than the official title, the stylization should of course not be the first title that opens the lead. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:44, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, if you ignore sources that contradict your beliefs anything works I guess. So if the Library of Congress is not good enough, how about the studio that distributed the film?, BFI or one of film's most important film critics? It's pretty easy finding important sources claiming this is the official name. Gonnym (talk) 21:07, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * There are certainly going to be contradictions, but the billing block credits and the U.S. copyright listing are clearly the most authoritative sources. You are welcome to discuss further on that article's talk page if you wish. InfiniteNexus (talk) 21:22, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is what I meant, the actual title should be the first title that opens the lead sentence. I am not calling for the other titles to not be in bold. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:42, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it would be better if you provided an example of a situation that illustrates what you were trying to accomplish, in case we are misunderstanding. -- GoneIn60 (talk) 20:11, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Borat. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:42, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Per MOS:BOLDLEAD: "If an article's title is a formal or widely accepted name for the subject, display it in bold as early as possible in the first sentence."The article title Borat qualifies as a widely accepted name and should therefore appear first per this guideline. Birdman is a similar case. There are always exceptions, of course, but that is generally how I'd approach it, especially when the film's actual title is very long, as it is with Borat. I'm not sure we need any additional guidance here. -- GoneIn60 (talk) 21:10, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Let me just add that since there are multiple variations of the title Borat, the current approach in that article works fine. It's one of the few exceptions to the general guidance that the article title appears first. --GoneIn60 (talk) 21:18, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * As I wrote above, I have never seen an article about a proper noun that does this. MOS:FIRST gives United Kingdom as an example. For films specifically, we have Borat, Rogue One, The Avengers (2012 film), Frozen II, etc. We also have NASA, Julius Caesar (play), New York City, Amazon (company), etc. InfiniteNexus (talk) 21:22, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If we focus on common names (shorthand titles) vs official names (lengthier titles), it happens quite often where the common name is listed first: The Empire Strikes Back, The X-Files, Battlefield Earth, Tower of London, North Korea, and Rhode Island (where the official name isn't even mentioned until the last paragraph in the lead). I don't think there is a hard and fast rule that says you have to specify the official title first. --GoneIn60 (talk) 00:06, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * For the first three examples, the shorter title is the official name. As far as I know (and no one thus far has been able to prove otherwise), no film articles list an alternative title first before "officially known as". The intent of the wording was to document this standard practice on film articles, but if there is a desire not to "mandate" this (even though guidelines aren't mandatory), I can live with that. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:13, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, perhaps my film examples weren't the best, but it does seem to come down to the sources you choose to go by. Episode V is in the official title at BOM and The Numbers, and Borat's full title is listed as an alternate title at AFI. And we definitely know official titles aren't always enforced as the first occurrence in other non-film GA and FA articles. If WP:FILM wants to recognize that as a common practice, then perhaps it would be better to place it in MOS:FILM as suggests and take a deeper dive on the subject at WT:MOSFILM. I'm definitely not opposed to documenting a common practice if we want to ensure consistency across our film articles. --GoneIn60 (talk) 13:35, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps that is a larger question to discuss at WT:FILM, which source(s) are the more authoritative when it comes to determining a film's "official" title. Personally, I think the billing block is king since it's essentially a form of credits, but maybe that's just me. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:40, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Started a discussion at WT:FILM. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:37, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Proposed allowance of PDABs for films
I'd like to propose a review of the WP:PRIMARYFILM guideline, which I view as inconsistent. It makes no sense to me that films are on such a high pedestal that they can trump almost all other forms of WP:PARTIALDISAMBIGUATION (such as those for people [i.e. actors, athletes, etc.] or other mediums [i.e. music, literature, television, etc.]).

This is the case not only for clear WP:PDABPRIMARY titles such as Avatar (2009 film), Frozen (2013 film), Parasite (2019 film), Split (2016 American film) and Titanic (1997 film) but also for many WP:TWODABS between a more well-known film and a relatively obscure film that most readers frankly would not know even exists without a Wikipedia article (such as Cinderella [2015 American film] and Cinderella [2015 Indian film], Suicide Squad [2016 film] and Suicide Squad [1935 film], The Wolf of Wall Street [2013 film] and The Wolf of Wall Street [1929 film], etc.), some of which have pageview ratios of 300:1 or more. This may even include possible WP:PDABREDIRECTS (such as for Mulan [2020 film] rather than Mulan [2009 film]).

Please leave your thoughts below. JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 03:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose Partial disambiguation should if anything be disallowed everywhere else instead if you want to resolve the inconsistency. This is fine as is. Pppery (alt) (talk) 03:27, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I agree with Pppery. Additionally, I don't understand this obsession with a primary for a partial disambiguation. The articles aren't human and don't actually care if they have the "primary" for a partial disambiguated title. This is just an overall bad idea. A partial title is already disambiguated, just not enough to be actually helpful. Gonnym (talk) 03:53, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above. I agree that the status quo is inconsistent.  The answer is greater scrutiny of WP:PDAB, not this. 162 etc. (talk) 16:36, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per others above. The point of parenthetical disambiguation is to sort out all articles that have the same name. We have primary-topic guidelines to determine if one topic is far more appropriate than the other topics of the same name (meaning no consideration for the parenthetical disambiguation) to be primary. Let's say Foo is a primary topic that is not a film, and there are two secondary-topic films called Foo, one released in 2014 and one in 2024. All three topics are called Foo at the core of it. So that means the idea of "Foo (film)" as a topic name, for which "Foo (2014 film)" or "Foo (2024 film)" should be considered to be the primary topic, is false. There is no such thing as "Foo (film)" in the world. The "(film)" is Wikipedia's internal parenthetical-disambiguation labeling. On top of that, to disambiguate by release year is one of the most minimal parenthetical disambiguation approaches possible, so for film articles, there is even less need for this than disambiguating by name (which should be fine within secondary topics anyway). Editors fighting for partial-title matches are wanting to shave off four numbers and a space to declare a primary topic within a set of secondary topics. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 17:17, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose as this will only cause greater confusion. InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose. The point of disambiguation is to make an article title not ambiguous.  -- wooden  superman  11:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support. It seems to me that most of the opposes here are opposing the concept of WP:PDAB rather than judging its application in relation to film articles. I personally have no strong opinion as to its validity, but the short explanation for why it exists is that it was judged that in certain cases such as Thriller (album), where the album is not the primary topic for the base name and yet is so much more prominent than other albums of that name that it was pointless to redirect people to the DAB page when the vast majority of them almost certainly wanted Michael Jackson. If that logic is sound, I see no reason why it should not be applied to this project. There are already clear examples of cases where the same logic should theoretically apply, such as Vertigo (film), which is widely viewed as one of the most important and acclaimed films of all time, to the point that despite its partially disambiguated title clearly violating this convention, a recent RM failed to get it to move to a fully disambiguated title. But even if you disagree with the reasoning for WP:PDAB, and I can see why, I would suggest that this guideline align to match that one, and meanwhile another RfC can be held to overturn that guideline if it is felt that the consensus has changed about it. That way if WP:PDAB is overturned, this guideline can use its current rule, while if it is not this one can change to conform with the rest of the English Wikipedia. I feel that either outcome would be substantially less harmful than the current situation, in which every other article title follows a set guideline except articles on films for some incomprehensible reason. Ladtrack (talk) 02:48, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Does this apply to subtitles?
Reviewing the current entries at WP:PDAB
 * I just started a RM for Fuck (film)
 * Vertigo (film) survived a RM trying to fully disambiguate it, but it is one of the greatest films of all time and the others are both borderline notable and not really called this so this is a justifiable WP:IAR
 * The other entries are 2012 (film), Turbo (film), and ? (film). In each of these cases the film is ambiguous with another film with an extra subtitle. Am I reading the guideline correctly that these should be moved to 2012 (2009 theatrical film) ("2009 film" is still ambiguous with 2012: Supernova, yuck!), Turbo (2013 film), and ? (2011 film)? Or does the guideline only apply to films with the exact same name? * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 00:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * This was already addressed in your unsuccessful RM of Minecraft (film). The answer is that WP:SMALLDETAILS applies since the other films are already naturally disambiguated with their full or alternative titles. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:04, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I suggest that the absence of a subtitle does not disambiguate a topic unless other same-named films that have subtitles would not be reasonably referred to without their subtitles. In the case of Minecraft, it may not be reasonable to refer to the documentary simply as Minecraft. The closure summary of the RM also referred to the relative obscurity of the documentary as well as "SMALLDETAILS". Also, of course, the outcome of any particular RM is not necessarily a perfect representation of Wikipedia's collective thinking. — BarrelProof (talk) 19:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree with BarrelProof, subtitles are often omitted and although we prefer natural disambiguation that doesn't mean a different film without a subtitle that can't be naturally disambiguated stays at an ambiguous title.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

June 2024 update – Proposed PDAB film criteria
Hey, guys. I have been thinking about potential criteria to allow PDABs for films. According to my proposal, a film article would be eligible for a PDAB title when at least one of the following conditions is satisfied (if more are satisfied, the eligibility would be even higher): Please let me know your thoughts on this proposal. JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 15:56, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * 1) The film article has a high pageview ratio with the other film (if WP:TWODABS) or a high combined pageview ratio if there are multiple other films. The threshold for a "high pageview ratio" would be decided by consensus.
 * 2) The film is part of either a film series or a film/media franchise. Examples would include Disney Princess films, Red (2010 film) and Sing (2016 American film).
 * 3) The Library of Congress selected the film for preservation in the United States National Film Registry as being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant." Examples include Fantasia (1940 film), The Music Man (1962 film) and Psycho (1960 film).

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Trenton Thunder

The Trenton Thunder are a collegiate summer baseball team of the MLB Draft League. They are located in Trenton, New Jersey, and play their home games at Trenton Thunder Ballpark.

From 1994 to 2020, it was a Minor League Baseball team of the Double-A Eastern League until Major League Baseball's reorganization of the minors following the 2020 season. Prior to this, they were affiliates of the Chicago White Sox (1980-1985), Detroit Tigers (1986-1994), Boston Red Sox (1995–2002), and New York Yankees (2003–2020).

As a member of Minor League Baseball/Eastern League
Trenton Thunder Baseball was established in 1994 with the relocation of the London Tigers from London, Ontario to Trenton, New Jersey, the London Tigers played at historic Labatt Park and served as a Detroit Tigers affiliate. The London Tigers were previously based at East Field Stadium in Glens Falls, New York under the names Glens Falls White Sox (1980–1985) as a Chicago White Sox affiliate and Glens Falls Tigers (1986-1988) as a Detroit Tigers affiliate. The Tigers affiliation moved with the relocation from London to Trenton but it lasted for one season only before switching affiliations to the Boston Red Sox in 1995.

On June 4, 1994, Phil Stidham became the first Thunder alumnus to play in the major leagues, for the Detroit Tigers, giving up six runs on six hits, including two home runs, as part of a 21–7 romp by the Minnesota Twins. As a Red Sox affiliate, the club recorded three first-place finishes, but was eliminated from the playoffs in the first round each time. In 2003, the Thunder became the Yankees affiliate, and the Portland Sea Dogs became the new Red Sox affiliate. The switch reflected both teams' fanbases, as Central New Jersey is home to many Yankees fans, while Maine is home to many Red Sox fans.

In 2006, the Thunder became the first team in Minor League Baseball history to draw over 400,000 fans for 12 consecutive seasons at the Double-A level or below. Through 13 seasons, over 5.4 million people had attended a Thunder game.

Surpassing the previous mark of 8,729, set while Derek Jeter was on a rehab stint with the team, the Thunder set a new single-game attendance record on May 23, 2007, when 9,134 fans attended, to watch Roger Clemens make his second minor-league start, as he worked toward a return to the Yankees. On Sunday, July 3, 2011, a paid attendance of 9,212 set a new record, as Derek Jeter returned once again, for a rehab start.

On September 15, 2007, the Thunder defeated the Akron Aeros to win their first Eastern League Championship Series in team history. Trenton defended its league title with 5–1 win over the Akron Aeros on September 14, 2008. The Thunder lost to the Altoona Curve in the 2010 Eastern League Championship Series.

In 2013, the Minor League Baseball website named the Trenton Thunder the Minor League team of the year. Trenton also took home two other awards which included "Promo of the Year" for the Retirement Party for team bat dog Chase That Golden Thunder. The 13-year-old Golden Retriever retired this year and in his final game the team included a bobble head give away in honor of the long time mascot. The third award was for "Mascot of the Year" which included an online four minute which garnered the most hits of any other team's mascot video.

In 2018, the team began to temporarily rename itself as the Trenton Pork Roll, honoring Trenton's role in developing the Pork roll.

As a member of the MLB Draft League
On November 7, 2020, the Yankees announced that they would end their affiliation with the Thunder organization in favor of the previously independent Somerset Patriots, located in Bridgewater Township, New Jersey. The Thunder organization was offered the Patriots' spot in the Atlantic League of Professional Baseball. Instead, they became members of the newly created MLB Draft League, which serves as a showcase for draft-eligible prospects.

The Thunder organization won the first MLB Draft League title.

Triple-A Buffalo Bisons
In April 2021, it was announced that the Thunder organization will host the Buffalo Bisons, the Triple-A affiliate of the Toronto Blue Jays. “After 27 years serving as the Double-A home of the Detroit Tigers, Boston Red Sox, and New York Yankees, we are excited to welcome the highest level of Minor League Baseball to New Jersey,” said Jeff Hurley, Thunder GM & COO. “We look forward to working with the Bisons, Blue Jays, and Major League Baseball to make this a successful season start.” The Blue Jays began the 2021 MLB season by calling their spring training facilities in Dunedin, Florida, as a result of COVID-19 restrictions in Canada. Toronto had played the coronavirus-shortened 60-game 2020 season in Buffalo. According to the Bisons, the move to Trenton allowed the club to complete a joint renovation project to prepare Buffalo’s Sahlen Field for major-league regular-season games. Buffalo expects the upgrades will “far exceed the new required Major League Baseball Player Development League facility standards, making Sahlen Field one of the premier locations for player training and performance amenities in Minor League Baseball.”

At the Bisons home games in Trenton, the Bisons wore the Trenton Thunder uniforms and were referred to as Trenton Thunder while the Thunder MLB Draft League team was referred to as Draft League Thunder by the Thunder organization; the Bisons were still referred to as the Buffalo Bisons on the road and the Thunder MLB Draft League team was referred to as Trenton Thunder on the road. The Bisons played the season through July in Trenton and moved back to Buffalo for August.

Retired numbers (Minor League Baseball/Eastern League)

 * 2: David Eckstein
 * 5: Nomar Garciaparra
 * 33: Tony Clark
 * 42: Jackie Robinson
 * 18: Tony Franklin

Playoff appearances (Minor League Baseball/Eastern League)

 * 1995 season: Lost to Reading, 3–0 in semifinals
 * 1996 season: Lost to Harrisburg, 3–1 in semifinals
 * 1999 season: Lost to Norwich, 3–2 in semifinals
 * 2005 season: Lost to Portland, 3–2 in semifinals
 * 2006 season: Lost to Portland 3–1 in semifinals
 * 2007 season: Defeated Portland 3–1 in semifinals; defeated Akron 3–1 in championship series.
 * 2008 season: Defeated Portland 3–0 in semifinals; defeated Akron 3–1 in championship series.
 * 2010 season: Defeated New Hampshire 3–0 in semifinals; lost to Altoona 3–1 in championship series.
 * 2012 season: Defeated Reading 3–1 in semifinals; lost to Akron 3–1 in championship series.
 * 2013 season: Defeated Binghamton 3–0 in semifinals; defeated Harrisburg 3–0 in championship series.
 * 2016 season: Defeated Reading 3–1 in semifinals; lost to Akron 3–0 in championship series.
 * 2017 season: Defeated Binghamton 3–1 in semifinals; lost to Altoona 3–0 in championship series.
 * 2018 season: Lost to New Hampshire, 3–0 in semifinals
 * 2019 season: Defeated Reading 3–0 in semifinals; defeated Bowie in the championship series 3–1.

Trenton Thunder Ballpark

 * Former names: Mercer County Waterfront Park and Arm & Hammer Park
 * Address: One Thunder Road, Trenton, NJ 08611
 * Opened: May 9, 1994
 * Seating capacity: 6,440
 * Dimensions: LF – 330 ft, CF – 407 ft, RF – 330 ft

Boomer
The Thunder's mascot is a blue "Thunderbird" named Boomer. He wears a Thunder uniform as well as purple and yellow shades. Boomer traditionally takes part in many of the promotions and activities throughout Thunder home games, such as a race around the bases against a young fan. Boomer's likeness has appeared on numerous pieces of merchandise, and he is involved with several programs assisting children in New Jersey and Pennsylvania.

Cloudman
Cloudman is the Thunder's newest mascot, debuting during the 2015 season. He is a fearless caped crusader who serves the greater good in our community. The Cloudman's Hometown Heroes program debuted in 2015. Fans have the opportunity to nominate local heroes in their community to be honored in the middle of the seventh inning of every home game. Current and former armed forces members, first-responders and individuals who do good in the community are often nominated. Cloudman can be seen all over Arm & Hammer Park during a Thunder game, usually in tandem with Boomer, the Thunder's original mascot. Together Cloudman and Boomer take part in such in-game activities as shooting T-shirts off into the crowd, racing a youngster around the bases for a prize, and competing against one another to pick the loudest section in the stadium on a given night.

Chase, Derby and Rookie
Chase "That Golden Thunder" was a Golden Retriever who was part of the Thunder family from late in the 2002 season until his death in 2013. He often served as "batdog" during the first inning at most Thunder home games, retrieving bats and balls and returning them to the Thunder dugout. Contrary to popular belief, his teeth did not leave marks in the equipment, as Retrievers are trained to carry birds without puncturing them; however, he did have a golden tooth, due to his bat carrying duties. Later in the game, Chase usually caught frisbees to win a cash prize for a lucky fan. Chase had garnered significant media attention, appearing on FOX, CNN, YES Network, UPN9, WNBC4, and even Japanese television. In 2008, Chase sired a litter of pups. One of the pups was trained to be his successor and was named Home Run Derby (or Derby for short) in a fan poll during the offseason. Another of the pups from that litter was named Ollie, and served as a batdog for the New Hampshire Fisher Cats until September, 2016. Chase died July 8, 2013, aged 13. He was diagnosed with cancer in February and had been suffering from arthritis.

One of Derby's pups, Rookie, has been trained to keep the family business intact as a third-generation "batdog". In 2017, Rookie and Derby shared "batdog" duties with Rookie retrieving bats in the first inning and Derby retrieving in the second inning during every game. On January 8, 2018, Derby died from cancer. Rookie became the Thunder's batdog beginning with the 2018 season.

Ownership
Joe Plumeri, Trenton-born and Vice Chairman of the First Data Board of Directors, Joseph Finley and Joseph Caruso are the owners of the Trenton Thunder. Together, they make up Garden State Baseball, LP. Both Plumeri and Finley also owned the Jersey Shore BlueClaws as American Baseball Company, LLC until July 2017. Finley also is part owner of the Lehigh Valley IronPigs.

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Takenaka Corporation

Takenaka Corporation (株式会社竹中工務店) is one of five major general contractors in Japan. Takenaka provides architectural, engineering, and construction services and has its headquarters located in Chūō-ku, Osaka, Osaka Prefecture. Takenaka has eight domestic offices in Japan with overseas offices in Asia, Europe, and the United States. It has remained under family control since the founding of Takenaka Corporation in 1609, and is currently led by the 17th generation of the family.

The Takenaka corporation designed and built the Takenaka Carpentry Tools Museum.

About Takenaka
In 1610 Tobei Masataka Takenaka (竹中 藤兵衛正高), a shrine and temple carpenter, started a business in Nagoya. The business continued as a family business and built some of the first Western-style buildings in Japan during the last half of 19th century, most of them in Nagoya. In 1899 Toemon Takenaka (竹中 藤右衛門), a 14th generation descendant of the original founder established a branch office in Kobe and founded Takenaka Corporation as an official company.

The company grew during the 20th century; its capital in 1909 was about ¥100,000. This rose to ¥6 million in 1938, ¥1.5 billion in 1959 and ¥50 billion in 1979. Today, Takenaka Corporation is a multinational company with offices in 18 different countries. The current president is Toichi Takenaka (竹中 統一) (since June 2004).

The Takenaka Corporation claims to be the oldest operating firms of its type in the world. In 2006 Takenaka acquired competing family architect-carpentry business (Miyadaiku) Kongō Gumi which had been in operation for 1,427 years.

The company is now regarded in Japan as one of the "Big Five" contractors ranked alongside Kajima, Obayashi, Shimizu and Taisei. The firm has built some of the most important buildings in Japan, including the Tokyo Tower, the Tokyo Dome (the first large-scale stadium with an air-supported membrane roof in Japan), the Fukuoka Dome (Japan's first large-scale stadium with a retractable roof), and the Kobe Meriken Park Oriental Hotel among others.

Among its current proposals is the Sky City 1000 project.

Takenaka reconstructed the Suzakumon in Nara.

History timeline

 * 1610 (Keicho 15 years) – Takenaka Tobei Masataka, a former vassal of Oda Nobunaga, established a carpentry team in Nagoya. His work mainly involved erecting shrines and temples.
 * 1899 (Meiji 1957) – Takenaka Tozaemon XIV moved to Kobe, and founded the official company. They built Mitsui Bank Kobe Onohama warehouse.
 * 1923 (Taisho 12 years) – the head office in Osaka is moved to Kobe.
 * 1935 – Kobe mosque construction.
 * 1937 (Showa 12 years) – Established Takenaka Corporation. ¥1.5 million in capital. President Takenaka Tozaemon.
 * 1945 – Tozaemon Takenaka appointed as Chairman of the Board and Renichi Takenaka appointed as President.
 * 1958 – Tokyo Tower construction.
 * 1980 – Takenaka Renichi appointed as Chairman of the Board and Takenaka Toichi appointed as President.
 * 1984 – Takenaka Carpentry Tools Museum opened.
 * 1988 – Tokyo Dome completed.
 * 1993 (Heisei 5 years) – Fukuoka Dome completed, Japan's first roof-retractable multi-purpose stadium
 * 1997 – Osaka Dome, Nagoya Dome, International Stadium Yokohama completed.
 * 2004 – The Tokyo Main Office moves to new building in Koto-ward in Tokyo.
 * 2006 – Midland Square (Nagoya) completed.
 * 2007 – Tokyo Midtown, Shin-Marunouchi Building completed.
 * 2010 – 400th anniversary of the company.
 * 2013 – Masahiro Miyashita becomes president, the first from outside the founding family.

Insufficient reinforcement

 * On November 19, 2007, during the construction of a 27-story (94 meter high) highrise condominium in Minato, Tokyo, the whole 8th and 9th floors of the building had to be dismantled and rebuilt because the reinforcing steel used was of insufficient strength.

Industrial accident cover-ups

 * According to a report of December 28, 2007, a 52-year-old foreman of a Takenaka condominium construction site in Fukushima ward, Osaka, reported an industrial accident in which a falling concrete hose seriously injured a worker of sub-contractor, Airtech Co., Ltd. The accident was reported as having happened at a different demolition site that the foreman was also in charge of. Takenaka and Airtech were issued a summary indictment by the Osaka prosecutor's office for violating the Industrial Safety and Health Act.
 * Takenaka also announced on December 19, 2007, that it had failed to report an industrial accident at a Toyota factory it was building in Kariya City, Aichi Prefecture, and that it was under investigation for violation of the Industrial Safety and Health Act.

Tax evasion (non-reporting of income)

 * In March 2013, it was discovered that the Osaka National Tax Office had reprimanded the company for failing to declare about ¥30 million of income (¥9 million of it intentionally) between 2008 and 2011.
 * In April 2015, the same office reprimanded the company again for underreporting its income for the four years between 2010 and 2013 by about ¥150 million.

Leaky subway

 * On September 25, 2014, train services at Nagoya Station on the Higashiyama Subway Line were suspended for nine hours due to water leaking into the station as a result of construction work the company was carrying out on the JR Tower Nagoya building.

Falling window

 * On February 17, 2015, a window frame weighing approximately 100 kg fell from the 4th floor of the Kofu City Hall building, which had been built by the company and two other companies. A subsequent investigation by Kofu City found 87 defects in the building. Executives of Takenaka and the other two companies involved, Nihon Sekkei and Sankyo Tateyama, visited the mayor of Kofu on March 20, 2015, to apologize.

Public facilities

 * Nagoya TV Tower
 * Tokyo Tower
 * Nippon Budokan
 * Kansai-kan of the National Diet Library
 * Okinawa Convention Center
 * Hankyu Umeda Station
 * Kobe Port Tower

Commercial facilities

 * Prada Tokyo (with Herzog and de Meuron)
 * Miu Miu Tokyo (with Herzog and de Meuron)
 * Maison Hermes (with Renzo Piano)
 * Expocity

Historic buildings and religious architecture

 * Suzakumon
 * Church of St. Ignatius
 * Meiji Seimei Kan
 * Seishoji temple
 * Imperial Military Academy
 * Kobe Union Church

Schools

 * Kwansei Gakuin University UekeHara Campus Mita Campus
 * Keio University (Shinanomachi) School of Medicine Integrated Medical Research Building
 * Sophia University Building No. 2
 * Meiji University Liberty Tower
 * Konan University 13 Building
 * Kobe Gakuin University Port Island campus
 * Kobe International University
 * Kansai University Naofumikan
 * Kansai University Takatsuki Muse campus
 * Kawasaki College of Allied Health Professions gymnasium
 * Tokyo University of Science Oshamambe campus

Sports stadiums

 * Tokyo Dome
 * Osaka Dome
 * Sapporo Dome
 * Fukuoka Dome
 * Nagoya Dome
 * International Stadium Yokohama
 * Okayama Prefecture athletics stadium Momotaro Stadium
 * Ibaraki Prefectural Kashima Soccer Stadium

Office buildings

 * Abenobashi Terminal Building – Harukas tallest building in Japan, design collaboration with César Pelli
 * Midland Square
 * Shin-Marunouchi Building
 * Tokyo Midtown
 * Crystal Tower
 * TV Asahi new headquarters
 * Umeda Hankyu Building
 * Kobe Hankyu Building
 * Tokyo Shiodome Building
 * Second Yoshimoto Building
 * Shin Umeda City, Umeda Sky Building
 * Nippon Club Tower
 * Tokyo Sankei Building
 * Pacific Century Place Marunouchi
 * Chuo Mitsui Trust and Banking Co., Ltd. Head Office Building
 * Nintendo headquarters building
 * Kikkoman Noda headquarters
 * Kyocera headquarters building
 * Tokyo Opera City
 * Morita headquarters building
 * Asahi Broadcasting Corporation building (firefly town) Asahi Broadcasting Corporation old building, Osaka Tower, Hotel Plaza demolition
 * Audio-Technica new Headquarters
 * CapitaGreen, Singapore

Museums and theme parks

 * 21st Century Museum of Contemporary Art, Kanazawa, Kanazawa (with SANAA)
 * Sagawa Art Museum
 * Museum of Contemporary Art, Tokyo
 * Otsuka Museum of Art
 * MOA Museum of Art
 * Ikuo Hirayama Museum of Art
 * Pola Museum of Art
 * Izumi City Kubo Sou Memorial Museum of Art
 * Tempozan Harbor Village, Kaiyukan
 * Shima Spain Village
 * Takenaka Carpentry Tools Museum

Dwellings

 * Kuzunoha Tower City
 * Moto-Azabu Hills
 * Rokko Island City, "East Court 11 Avenue"
 * Elsa Tower 55
 * Tennozu View Tower
 * CapitaGreen (with Toyo Ito)
 * Toranomon Hills residential tower (with ingenhoven associates)

Plants and research laboratories

 * Suntory World Research Center
 * Zeria Pharmaceutical Tsukuba Plant
 * Toyota Industries Corporation Information Technology Institute
 * Nichia headquarters third research building
 * Tateyama brewing headquarters factory
 * Sanyo Denki Technology Center
 * Yanmar Diesel Co., Ltd. Biwa Plant
 * Stanley Electric Hatano new Building 2

Hotels

 * Kobe Meriken Park Oriental Hotel
 * Kanazawa Manten Hotel Station

Hospitals

 * Jichi Medical University Hospital New Building
 * Kawasaki Medical School Hospital West Wing Building
 * Kyushu University Hospital South Tower
 * Kitasato University Hospital new building

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Johann Friedrich Fasch

Johann Friedrich Fasch (15 April 1688 – 5 December 1758) was a German violinist and composer. Much of his music is in the Baroque-Classical transitional style known as galant.

Life
Fasch was born in the town of Buttelstedt, 11 km north of Weimar, the eldest child of schoolmaster Friedrich Georg Fasch and his wife Sophie Wegerig, from Leißling near Weißenfels. After his father's death in 1700, Fasch lived with his maternal uncle, the clergyman Gottfried Wegerig in Göthewitz, and it was presumably in this way that he made the acquaintance of the Opera composer Reinhard Keiser.

Fasch was a choirboy in Weissenfels and studied under Johann Kuhnau at the St. Thomas School in Leipzig. It was in Leipzig in 1708 that he founded a Collegium Musicum. In 1711 he wrote an opera to be performed at the Peter-Paul Festival in Naumburg, and a second one for the festival in 1712.

In 1714, unable to procure aristocratic patronage for a journey to Italy, Fasch instead travelled to Darmstadt to study composition for three months under his former Leipzig prefect Christoph Graupner and Gottfried Grünewald. He then traveled extensively in Germany, becoming a violinist in the orchestra in Bayreuth in 1714, was an amanuensis in Gera till 1719 and from 1719 until 1721 held a court post as organist in Greiz.

His next major post was Prague, where he served for two years as Kapellmeister and court composer to Count Morzin. In 1722, he "reluctantly accepted the position" of court Kapellmeister at Zerbst, a post he held until his death. (The organist Johann Ulich was his assistant.) Also in 1722, he was invited to apply for the position of Thomaskantor in Leipzig at his alma mater, the St. Thomas School, but he chose to withdraw his name from the competition. The Leipzig opening was eventually filled by Johann Sebastian Bach, who had considerable esteem for Fasch.

Works
His works include cantatas, concertos, symphonies, and chamber music. None of his music was published in his lifetime, and according to The New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians in 2014, "it appears that most of his vocal works (including 9 complete cantata cycles, at least 14 masses and four operas) are lost, while the instrumental works are mostly extant." However, his music was "widely performed" in his day and was held in high regard by contemporaries. Georg Philipp Telemann performed a cycle of his church cantatas in 1733 in Hamburg; an organ work once attributed to Johann Sebastian Bach as BWV 585 is now known to be an arrangement of movements from a Fasch trio sonata; and Bach's Collegium Musicum in Leipzig (a different group than the one founded by Fasch ) performed some of Fasch's Orchestral Suites (ten of them, according to Hugo Riemann in 1900, based on his examination of copies in the library of the St. Thomas School, which Riemann said were partly in Bach's hand. Only one of these suites survived World War II; it is in the hand of Bach's student Carl Gotthelf Gerlach).

In 1900, Riemann asserted that Fasch's style was an important link between the Baroque and Classical periods, and that he was one of those who "set instrumental music entirely on its feet and displaced fugal writing with modern 'thematic' style’"; New Grove's entry on Fasch states, "Later research has largely confirmed [Riemann's] assessment."

Legacy
Fasch died in Zerbst at the age of 70 on 5 December 1758. He was the father of Carl Friedrich Christian Fasch, born on 18 November 1736, like his father a musician of note. The city of Zerbst/Anhalt has been hosting International Festivals since 1983, biennially since 1993. The Sixteenth International Fasch Festival (2021) was cancelled due to COVID-19 restrictions. The 17th International Fasch Festival is scheduled to take place from 15 to 18 June 2023 in Zerbst/Anhalt.

Works list
This listing is based on Rüdiger Pfeiffer's now out-dated Fasch Werke Verzeichnis. The Internationale Fasch Gesellschaft e.V. has been working on a new online Fasch-Verzeichnis, which is now called Fasch-Repertorium. Its main contributor, Dr. Gottfried Gille, gave a paper on the project's progress at the 2013 international Fasch conference, held on the occasion of the twelfth International Fasch Festival (18-21 April 2013). All papers presented at the conference were published in vol. 12 of Fasch-Studien.

Operas

Fwv A \ Operas (lost)

Serenatas

Fwv B: 1 \ Serenata (lost)

Fwv B: 2 \ Serenata (lost)

Fwv B: 3 \ Freudenbezeugung der vier Tageszeiten, autograph score at D-DS

Fwv B: 4 \ Beglückter Tag (for the birthday of Catherine the Great, 1757), autograph score and performing materials in the Sing-Akademie Berlin archive, D-B; performed at 10th Fasch-Festtage on 10 April 2008

Sacred cantatas for occasions

Fwv C:B 1 \ Beständigkeit bleibt mein Vergnügen

Sacred cantatas

Fwv D:B 1 \ Bewahre deinen Fuss

Fwv D:D 1 \ Dein allerhöchster Adel

Fwv D:D 2 \ Der Gottlose ist wie ein Wetter

Fwv D:D 3 \ Die den Herrn vertrauen

Fwv D:D 4 \ Die Gerechten müssen sich freuen

Fwv D:D 5 \ Die so das Land des Lichts bewohnen

Fwv D:D 6 \ Die Starken bedürfen des Arztes nicht

Fwv D:D 7 \ Die Starken bedürfen des Arztes nicht

Fwv D:D 8 \ Du bist Christus, des lebendigen Gottes Sohn

Fwv D:D 9 \ Du bist mein Gott, ich bitte dich

Fwv D:D10 \ Du sollst Gott, deinen Herrn, lieben

Fwv D:E 1 \ Ehre sei Gott in der Höhe

Fwv D:E 2 \ Er hat grosse Dinge an mir getan

Fwv D:E 3 \ Es erhub sich ein Streit

Fwv D:E 4 \ Es haben dir, Herr, die Hoffärtigen

Fwv D:E 5 \ Es wird des Herrn Tag kommen

Fwv D:E 6 \ Es wird ein unbarmherzig Gericht

Fwv D:G 1 \ Gehet zu seinen Toren ein

Fwv D:G 2 \ Gelobet sei der Herr täglich

Fwv D:G 3 \ Gottes und Marien Kind

Fwv D:G 4 \ Gott hat die Zeit der Unwissenheit übersehen

Fwv D:G 5 \ Gott ist die Liebe

Fwv D:G 6 \ Gott ist die Liebe

Fwv D:G 7 \ Gott ist ein rechter Richter

Fwv D:G 8 \ Gott will, dass allen Menschen

Fwv D:G 9 \ Gott wir warten deiner Güte

Fwv D:G10 \ Gott wir warten deiner Güte

Fwv D:H 1 \ Herr, gehe nicht ins Gericht

Fwv D:H 2 \ Herr, lehre uns bedenken

Fwv D:H 3 \ Herr, wenn Trübsal da ist

Fwv D:I 1 \ Ich bin der Weg

Fwv D:I 2 \ Ich danke dem Herrn von ganzem Herzen

Fwv D:I 3 \ Ich freue mich im Herrn

Fwv D:I 4 \ Ich halte mich, Herr, zu deinen Altar

Fwv D:I 5 \ Ich hebe meine Augen auf

Fwv D:I 6 \ Ich hoffe darauf, dass du so gnädig bist

Fwv D:I 7 \ Ich war tot, und siehe, ich bin lebendig

Fwv D:I 8 \ In der Welt habt ihr Angst

Fwv D:J 1 \ Jauchzet dem Herrn alle Welt; Edition 2008 Gottfried Gille for Prima la musica!

Fwv D:K 1 \ Kommet her zu mir alle

Fwv D:K 2 \ Kündlich gross ist das gottselige Geheimnis

Fwv D:L 1 \ Leben wir, so leben wir dem Herrn

Fwv D:L 2 \ Lobe den Herrn, meine Seele

Fwv D:L 3 \ Lobe den Herrn, meine Seele

Fwv D:M 1 \ Mein Seel erhebt den Herren mein

Fwv D:N 1 \ Niemand kennet den Sohn

Fwv D:N 2 \ Niemand kennet den Sohn

Fwv D:R 1 \ Rast und tobt, ihr stolzen Feinde

Fwv D:S 1 \ Sage mir an, du, den meine Seele liebet

Fwv D:S 2 \ Sanftes Brausen, süsses Sausen; Edition 2008 Gottfried Gille for Prima la musica!

Fwv D:S 3 \ Seid untereinander freundlich, herzlich

Fwv D:S 4 \ Sei getreu bis in den Tod

Fwv D:S 5 \ Selig sind, die nicht sehen und doch gläuben

Fwv D:S 6 \ Siehe um Trost war mir sehr bange

Fwv D:S 7 \ Siehe zu, dass deine Gottesfurcht nicht

Fwv D:T 1 \ Trachtet am ersten nach dem Reiche Gottes

Fwv D:U 1 \ Unser Wandel ist im Himmel

Fwv D:W 1 \ Wachet und betet, das ihr nicht in Anfechtung

Fwv D:W 2 \ Welt und Teufel, tobt ihr noch

Fwv D:W 3 \ Welt, du magst mich immer hassen (fragment)

Fwv D:W 4 \ Wer sich selbst erhöhet

Fwv D:W 5 \ Wie Gott liebt und vergibt

Fwv D:W 6 \ Will mir jemand nachfolgen

Fwv D:W 7 \ Wirf dein Anliegen auf den Herrn

Fwv D:W 8 \ Wir müssen alle offenbar werden

Fwv D:W 9 \ Wir wissen, dass der Sohn Gottes

Fwv D:Z 1 \ Zion mach in deinen Toren

Fwv D:Z 2 \ Zur Mitternacht war ein Geschrei (fragment)

Motets

Fwv E:B 1 \ Beschliesset einen Rat

Passion oratorios

Fwv F: 1 Passio Jesu Christi ("Brockes Passion")

Masses

Fwv G:B 1 \ Missa brevis in B flat major

Fwv G:D 1 \ Mass in D major

Fwv G:D 2 \ Mass in D major

Fwv G:D 3 \ Missa brevis in D major

Fwv G:D 4 \ Missa brevis in D major

Fwv G:D 5 \ Missa brevis in D major

Fwv G:D 6 \ Credo in D major

Fwv G:D 7 \ Credo in D major - NOT FASCH, but Johann David Heinichen

Fwv G:e 1 \ German Mass in E minor

Fwv G:F 1 \ Mass in F major

Fwv G:F 2 \ Missa brevis in F major

Fwv G:F 3 \ Quoniam in F major

Fwv G:g 1 \ Missa brevis in G minor

Canticles

Fwv H:G 1 \ Magnificat in G major

Psalm settings

Fwv I:B 1 \ Beatus vir in G major

Fwv I:C 1 \ Confiteor in D major

Fwv I:D 1 \ Dixit Dominus in G major

Fwv I:L 1 \ Laetatus sum in F sharp minor

Fwv I:L 2 \ Lauda Jerusalem in D major

Fwv I:L 3 \ Laudate Pueri Dominum in A major

Fwv I:N 1 \ Nisi Dominus in D major

Orchestral suites

(Unless otherwise stated, these are scored for 2 oboes, bassoon, strings and Basso continuo

Fwv K:A 1 \ Suite for violin, 2 oboes & 2 bassoons in A major

Fwv K:A 2 \ Suite for 2 flutes, 2 oboes & bassoon in A major

Fwv K:A 3 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in A major

Fwv K:a 1 \ Suite for 2 flutes, 2 oboes & bassoon in A minor

Fwv K:a 2 \ Suite for 2 oboes & 2 bassoons in A minor

Fwv K:a 3 \ Suite for 2 oboes & 2 bassoons in A minor

Fwv K:a 4 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in A minor

Fwv K:B 1 \ Suite for 2 orchestras (3 flutes, 3 oboes, 2 bassoons, strings and basso continuo in each orchestra)

Fwv K:B 2 \ Suite for 2 flutes, 2 oboes & bassoon in B flat major

Fwv K:B 3 \ Suite for 2 flutes, 2 oboes & bassoon in B flat major

Fwv K:B 4 \ Suite for 2 flutes, 2 oboes & bassoon in B flat major

Fwv K:B 5 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in B flat major

Fwv K:B 6 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon, strings and b.c.in B flat major* Modern edition by W.Jaksch http://www.imslp.org

Fwv K:B 7 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in B flat major

Fwv K:B 8 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in B flat major

Fwv K:B 9 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in B flat major

Fwv K:B10 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in B flat major

Fwv K:C 1 \ Suite for 2 oboes & 2 bassoons in C major * Modern edition: Hans-Heinrich Kriegel; Bochum: 1998

Fwv K:C 2 \ Suite in C major (lost)

Fwv K:C 3 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in C major (lost)

Fwv K:D 1 \ Suite for 3 trumpets & winds in D major

Fwv K:D 2 \ Suite for 3 trumpets & winds in D major

Fwv K:D 3 \ Suite for 2 trumpets, 3 oboes & bassoon in D major

Fwv K:D 4 \ Suite for 2 trumpets, 2 oboes & bassoon in D major

Fwv K:D 5 \ Suite for 3 horns, 3 oboes & 2 bassoons in D major

Fwv K:D 6 \ Suite for wind septet in D major

Fwv K:D 7 \ Suite for 2 flutes,2 oboes & bassoon, 2 horns, strings and b.c. in D major * Modern edition by W.Jaksch http://www.imslp.org

Fwv K:D 8 \ Suite for wind septet in D major

Fwv K:D 9 \ Suite for wind septet in D major

Fwv K:D10 \ Suite for wind septet in D major

Fwv K:D11 \ Suite in D major (lost)

Fwv K:D12 \ Suite for 2 horns, 2 oboes & bassoon in D major

Fwv K:D13 \ Suite for 2 horns, 2 oboes & bassoon in D major

Fwv K:D14 \ Suite for 2 horns, 2 oboes & bassoon in D major * Modern edition in preparation by Kim Patrick Clow for Prima la musica!

Fwv K:D15 \ Suite for 2 horns, 2 oboes & bassoon in D major

Fwv K:D16 \ Suite for 2 flutes, 2 oboes & bassoon in D major

Fwv K:D17 \ Suite for 2 flutes, 2 oboes & bassoon in D major

Fwv K:D18 \ Suite for 2 flutes, 2 oboes & bassoon in D major

Fwv K:D19 \ Suite in D major (lost)

Fwv K:D20 \ Suite for 2 oboes & 2 bassoons in D major

Fwv K:D21 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in D major

Fwv K:D22 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in D major

Fwv K:D23 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in D major

Fwv K:D24 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in D major

Fwv K:D25 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in D major

Fwv K:D26 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in D major

Fwv K:d 1 \ Suite in D minor (lost)

Fwv K:d 2 \ Suite for 3 flutes, 3 oboes & bassoon in D minor

Fwv K:d 3 \ Suite for chalumeau, 2 oboes & bassoon in D minor

Fwv K:d 4 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in D minor

Fwv K:d 5 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in D minor

Fwv K:d 6 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in D minor

Fwv K:e 1 \ Suite for 2 flutes, 2 oboes & bassoon in E minor

Fwv K:e 2 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in E minor

Fwv K:e 3 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in E minor

Fwv K:Es1 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in E flat major

Fwv K:F 1 \ Suite for wind septet in F major

Fwv K:F 2 \ Suite in F major (lost)

Fwv K:F 3 \ Suite for 2 horns, 2 oboes & bassoon in F major

Fwv K:F 4 \ Suite for 2 horns, 2 oboes & bassoon in F major

Fwv K:F 5 \ Suite for 2 horns, 2 oboes & bassoon in F major

Fwv K:F 6 \ Suite for 2 flutes, 2 oboes & bassoon in F major

Fwv K:F 7 \ Suite for 2 oboes & 2 bassoons in F major * Modern edition in preparation by Kim Patrick Clow for Prima la musica! Fwv K:F 8 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in F major

Fwv K:F 9 \ Suite in F major (lost)

Fwv K:G 1 \ Suite for violin & wind septet in G major

Fwv K:G 2 \ Suite for violin & oboe concertante in G major * Modern edition in preparation by Kim Patrick Clow for Prima la musica!

Fwv K:G 3 \ Suite for wind septet in G major

Fwv K:G 4 \ Suite for wind septet in G major

Fwv K:G 5 \ Suite for 4 horns, 3 oboes & bassoon in G major

Fwv K:G 6 \ Suite in G major (lost)

Fwv K:G 7 \ Suite in G major (lost)

Fwv K:G 8 \ Suite for 3 flutes & 2 bassoons in G major * Modern edition in preparation by Hans-Heinrich Kriegel for Prima la musica!

Fwv K:G 9 \ Suite for 2 oboes & 2 bassoons in G major

Fwv K:G10 \ Suite for 2 flutes, 2 oboes & bassoon in G major

Fwv K:G11 \ Suite for 2 flutes, 2 oboes & bassoon in G major

Fwv K:G12 \ Suite for 2 flutes, 2 oboes & bassoon in G major

Fwv K:G13 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in G major

Fwv K:G14 \ Suite for 2 flutes, 2 oboes & bassoon in G major (lost)

Fwv K:G15 \ Suite for 3 oboes & bassoon in G major

Fwv K:G16 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in G major * Modern edition in preparation by Kim Patrick Clow for Prima la musica!

Fwv K:G17 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in G major

Fwv K:G18 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in G major

Fwv K:G19 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in G major

Fwv K:G20 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in G major

Fwv K:G21 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in G major

Fwv K:G22 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in G major (lost)

Fwv K:g 1 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in G minor

Fwv K:g 2 \ Suite for 3 oboes & bassoon in G minor

Fwv K:g 3 \ Suite for 2 oboes & 2 bassoons in G minor

Fwv K:g 4 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in G minor

Fwv K:g 5 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in G minor

Fwv K:g 6 \ Suite in G minor (lost)

Fwv K:g 7 \ Suite for 2 oboes & bassoon in G minor

Concertos

Fwv L:A 1 \ Violin Concerto in A major

Fwv L:A 2 \ Violin Concerto in A major

Fwv L:A 3 \ Violin Concerto in A major

Fwv L:a 1 \ Oboe Concerto in A minor

Fwv L:a 2 \ Violin Concerto in A minor

Fwv L:B 1 \ Concerto for chalumeau in B flat major

Fwv L:B 2 \ Violin Concerto in B flat major

Fwv L:B 3 \ Concerto grosso in B flat major

Fwv L:B 4 \ Concerto grosso in B flat major

Fwv L:C 1 \ Oboe Concerto in C major

Fwv L:C 2 \ Bassoon Concerto in C major

Fwv L:C 3 \ Concerto for flute, violin, bassoon & b.c. in C major

Fwv L:c 1 \ Concerto for bassoon, strings & b.c. in C minor

Fwv L:c 2 \ Concerto for 2 oboes, bassoon, strings & b.c. in C minor

Fwv L:D 1 \ Concerto for trumpet & 2 oboes in D major

Fwv L:D 2 \ Violin Concerto in D major

Fwv L:D 3 \ Violin Concerto in D major

Fwv L:D 4 \ Violin Concerto in D major

Fwv L:D 4a \ Violin Concerto in D major (Fwv L:D 4a)

Fwv L:D 5 \ Violin Concerto in D major

Fwv L:D 6 \ Violin Concerto in D major

Fwv L:D 7 \ Violin Concerto in D major

Fwv L:D 8 \ Violin Concerto in D major

Fwv L:D 9 \ Concerto for 2 flutes in D major

Fwv L:D10 \ Concerto for flute and oboe in D major

Fwv L:D11 \ Concerto for flute and oboe in D major

Fwv L:D12 \ Concerto in D major (lost)

Fwv L:D13 \ Concerto for triple wind choirs in D major

Fwv L:D14 \ Concerto grosso in D major

Fwv L:D15 \ Concerto grosso in D major

Fwv L:D16 \ Concerto grosso in D major

Fwv L:D17 \ Concerto grosso in D major

Fwv L:D18 \ Concerto grosso in D major

Fwv L:D19 \ Concerto grosso in D major

Fwv L:D20 \ Concerto grosso in D major

Fwv L:D21 \ Concerto grosso in D major

Fwv L:D22 \ Concerto grosso in D major

Fwv L:d 1 \ Lute Concerto in D minor

Fwv L:d 2 \ Oboe Concerto in D minor

Fwv L:d 3 \ Oboe Concerto in D minor

Fwv L:d 4 \ Concerto for oboe and violin in D minor

Fwv L:d 5 \ Concerto in D minor (lost)

Fwv L:d 6 \ Concerto for flute, violin, bassoon & b.c. in D minor

Fwv L:d 7 \ Concerto grosso in D minor

Fwv L:e 1 \ Concerto for flute and oboe in E minor

Fwv L:Es1 \ Concerto grosso in E flat major

Fwv L:F 1 \ Concerto in F major (lost)

Fwv L:F 2 \ Violin Concerto in F major

Fwv L:F 3 \ Concerto grosso in F major

Fwv L:F 4 \ Concerto grosso in F major

Fwv L:F 5 \ Concerto grosso in F major

Fwv L:F 6 \ Concerto for Alto recorder in F major * Modern edition by Johannes Pausch for  Edition Musiklandschaften Hamburg  Fwv L:G 1 \ Concerto in G major (lost)

Fwv L:G 2 \ Oboe Concerto in G major

Fwv L:G 3 \ Oboe Concerto in G major

Fwv L:G 4 \ Concerto for violin, 2 flutes, 2 oboes, bassoon, strings, continuo in G major

Fwv L:G 5 \ Violin Concerto in G major

Fwv L:G 6 \ Violin Concerto in G major

Fwv L:G 7 \ Violin Concerto in G major

Fwv L:G 8 \ Concerto for flute and oboe in G major

Fwv L:G 9 \ Concerto for 2 oboes in G major

Fwv L:G10 \ Concerto for 2 oboes in G major

Fwv L:G11 \ Concerto grosso in G major

Fwv L:G12 \ Concerto grosso in G major

Fwv L:G13 \ Concerto grosso in G major

Fwv L:g 1 \ Oboe Concerto in G minor

Fwv L:g 2 \ Concerto in G minor (lost)

Fwv L:g 3 \ Concerto in G minor (lost)

Fwv L:g 4 \ Concerto for 2 oboes in G minor

Fwv L:h 1 \ Concerto for flute and oboe in B minor

Fwv L:h 2 \ Concerto for flute and oboe in B minor

Symphonies

Fwv M:A 1 \ Symphony in A major

Fwv M:A 2 \ Symphony in A major [Possibly Carl Friedrich Fasch]

Fwv M:A 3 \ Symphony in A major

Fwv M:a 1 \ Symphony in A minor

Fwv M:B 1 \ Symphony in B flat major

Fwv M:B 2 \ Symphony in B flat major

Fwv M:B 3 \ Symphony in B flat major

Fwv M:C 1 \ Symphony in C major

Fwv M:D 1 \ Symphony in D major

Fwv M:D 2 \ Symphony in D major

Fwv M:F 1 \ Symphony in F major

Fwv M:Fis \ Symphony in F sharp major

Fwv M:G 1 \ Symphony in G major

Fwv M:G 2 \ Symphony in G major

Fwv M:G 3 \ Symphony in G major

Fwv M:G 4 \ Symphony in G major

Fwv M:G 5 \ Symphony in G major

Fwv M:G 6 \ Symphony in G major

Fwv M:g 1 \ Symphony in G minor

Chamber pieces

Fwv N:a 1 \ Trio for 2 violins & continuo in A minor

Fwv N:B 1 \ Quartet for recorder, oboe, violin & continuo in B flat major

Fwv N:B 2 \ Quartet for 2 oboes, bassoon & continuo in B flat major

Fwv N:B 3 \ Trio for 2 oboes & continuo in B flat major

Fwv N:C 1 \ Bassoon Sonata in C major

Fwv N:c 1 \ Quartet for 2 violins, pasetel & continuo in C minor

Fwv N:c 2 \ Trio for 2 violins & continuo in C minor

Fwv N:D 1 \ Quartet for flute, violin, bassoon & continuo in D major

Fwv N:D 2 \ Trio for flute, violin & continuo in D major

Fwv N:D 3 \ Trio for flute, violin & continuo in D major

Fwv N:D 4 \ Trio for 2 violins & continuo in D major

Fwv N:d 1 \ Quartet for 2 oboes, bassoon & continuo in D minor

Fwv N:d 2 \ Quartet for 2 oboes, bassoon & continuo in D minor

Fwv N:d 3 \ Quartet for 2 violins, viola & b.c. in D minor

Fwv N:d 4 \ Trio for 2 violins & continuo in D minor

Fwv N:E 1 \ Trio for 2 violins & continuo in E major

Fwv N:e 1 \ Trio for 2 oboes & continuo in E minor

Fwv N:F 1 \ Quartet for 2 oboes & 2 bassoons in F major

Fwv N:F 2 \ Quartet for 2 oboes, bassoon & continuo in F major

Fwv N:F 3 \ Quartet oboe, violin, horn & continuo in F major

Fwv N:F 4 \ Quartet for oboe, violin, bassoon & continuo in F major

Fwv N:F 5 \ Trio for recorder, bassoon & continuo in F major

Fwv N:F 6 \ Trio for 2 oboes & bassoon in F major

Fwv N:F 7 \ Trio for 2 violins & continuo in F major

Fwv N:G 1 \ Quartet for flute, 2 recorders & continuo in G major

Fwv N:G 2 \ Trio for flute, violin & continuo in G major

Fwv N:G 3 \ Trio for flute, violin & continuo in G major

Fwv N:G 4 \ Trio for 2 violins & continuo in G major

Fwv N:G 5 \ Trio for 2 violins & continuo in G major

Fwv N:G 6 \ Trio for 2 violins & continuo in G major

Fwv N:g 1 \ Quartet for 2 oboes, bassoon & continuo in G minor

Fwv N:g 2 \ Trio for 2 oboes & continuo in G minor

Doubtful authenticity

Fwv O:F 1 \ Fantasie in F major

Copies of works by other composers

Fwv Q:D 1 \ Symphony in D major by Maximilian III

Fwv Q:deest \ Symphony in C major by Carl Hoeckh

Fwv Q:deest \ Symphony in C major by Placidus von Camerloher

Selected discography

 * Johann Friedrich Fasch: Orchesterwerke Vol.1. Tempesta di Mare. (Chandos Records CHAN0751, 2007) + vols. 2 [CHAN0783] & 3 [CHAN0791]
 * Johann Friedrich Fasch: Concertos for various instruments Vol 1. Il Gardelino. (Accent Records ACC24182, 2007) + vol 2 [Accent Records ACC24252, 2011]
 * Johann Friedrich Fasch: Ouverturen. Il Fondamento, Paul Dombrecht. (Fuga Libera, FUG502, 2004)
 * Violin concertos from Dresden. Pisendel, Heinichen, Fasch, Handel, Telemann. Johannes Pramsohler. International Baroque Players. (Raumklang RK 3105)
 * Violin concertos from Darmstadt. Kress, Telemann, Fasch, Endler. Johannes Pramsohler. Darmstädter Barocksolisten (Audax Records ADX 13716)
 * The Dresden Album. Ensemble Diderot. Johannes Pramsohler (Audax Records ADX 13701)
 * Johann Friedrich Fasch: Ouvertüren-Sinfonian. Les Amis de Philippe, Ludger Rémy. (Classic Produktion Osnabrück, 7779522, 2015)
 * Johann Friedrich Fasch: Dresdner Ouvertüren, Sinfonias & Konzerte. Les Amis de Philippe, Ludger Rémy. (Classic Produktion Osnabrück, 7774242, 2008)
 * Johann Friedrich Fasch: Concertos. La Stravaganza, Koln. (Classic Production Osnabruck 7770152, 2004)
 * Johann Friedrich Fasch: Cantatas, Psalm, Ouverture & Concerto. Accademia Daniel, Shalev Ad-El. (Classic Production Osnabruck, 9996742, 2000)
 * Johann Friedrich Fasch: Concerti & Ouverturen. Kammerorchester Basel, Julia Schroder. (Deutsche Harmonia Mundi, 88697446412, 2009)
 * Johann Friedrich Fasch: Trios and Sonatas. Epoca Barocca. (Classic Produktion Osnabrück 7772042, 2007)
 * Johann Friedrich Fasch: Quartette & Konzerte. Ensemble Marsyas. (Linn Records CKD467, 2013)
 * Johann Friedrich Fasch: Quartets & Trio Sonatas. Camerata Koln. (Deutsche Harmonia Mundi 77015-2RG, 1988)

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Carmen Lawrence

Carmen Mary Lawrence (born 2 March 1948) is an Australian academic and former politician who was the premier of Western Australia from 1990 to 1993, the first woman to become the premier of an Australian state. To date she is the only woman premier of Western Australia. A member of the Labor Party, she later entered federal politics as a member of the House of Representatives from 1994 to 2007, and served as a minister in the Keating government.

Lawrence was born in Northam, Western Australia. She studied psychology at the University of Western Australia, obtaining a doctorate in 1983, and before entering politics worked as a lecturer and researcher. Lawrence was elected to state parliament in 1986, and became a government minister in 1988. She replaced Peter Dowding as premier in 1990, as Australia's second female head of government (after ACT Chief Minister Rosemary Follett) and first female state premier. She and the Labor Party lost power at the 1993 state election.

In 1994, Lawrence entered federal parliament through a by-election for the Division of Fremantle. She was almost immediately appointed to cabinet by Paul Keating, serving as Minister for Human Services and Health and Minister for Women until the government's defeat in 1996. Lawrence remained in parliament until the 2007 election, on the frontbench until 2002 and then as a backbencher. From 2004 to 2005, she was federal president of the Labor Party, the first person to be directly elected to the position. She returned to academia after leaving politics, as a psychology professor at the University of Western Australia.

Early life
Lawrence was born in Northam, in the agricultural district of Western Australia and spent her early childhood in the towns of Gutha and Dongara.

She was one of seven children, six girls and a boy, born to Ernest Richard Lawrence, a farmer, and his wife Mary Norma (née Watson). From the age of six she was educated at various Roman Catholic boarding schools: Marian Convent at Morawa; Dominican Ladies College at Dongara and Santa Maria College at Attadale from which she matriculated in 1964 with distinctions in six subjects, a General Exhibition for Academic Achievement and the Special Subject Exhibition in economics.

Further education and employment
In 1965, Lawrence enrolled at the University of Western Australia in Perth. In 1968 she graduated as a Bachelor of Psychology with First Class Honours, having won five prizes including that for the most outstanding graduate throughout the Faculties of Arts, Economics and Commerce, Law, Architecture and Education. In 1968 she was Senior Student in Saint Catherine's residential college.

She was politically active from an early stage. While at UWA she lobbied, successfully, to have the Campus Beauty Contest abolished. In Melbourne in the early 1970s she helped to found the Victorian Branch of the Women's Electoral Lobby.

She tutored at the University of Melbourne in 1971 and 1972, tutored and lectured at the Western Australian Institute of Technology (WAIT) from 1973 to 1978 and was a lecturer with the Faculty of Medicine at the University of Western Australia from 1979 until 1983. During this period she continued with post-graduate research, having won two scholarships for PhD studies in psychology, and received the doctoral degree in 1983, for her dissertation Maternal Responses to Infant Crying.

From 1983 until her election to parliament in 1986, Lawrence was employed in the Research and Evaluation Unit of the Psychiatric Services Branch of the Department of Health of Western Australia.

Entry to state parliament
During this period, Lawrence joined the Labor Party. She unsuccessfully contested the seat of East Melville at the 1983 election against sitting Liberal Party member Anthony Trethowan, but was more successful in 1986 when she won the seat of Subiaco following the retirement of long-serving Liberal-turned-independent Tom Dadour. In 1988, following the sudden departure of Brian Burke as Premier, she was appointed Minister for Education. At the 1989 election, her seat of Subiaco was abolished in a redistribution, and she won the new seat of Glendalough.

The Western Australian Labor government was in a state of crisis as a result of corruption allegations against the cabinets of two successive premiers, Brian Burke and Peter Dowding, the so-called "WA Inc" period.

Premier of Western Australia
In February 1990, Dowding was forced by his colleagues to resign. Lawrence, a prominent opponent within the Labor Party of Brian Burke's Right faction, of which Dowding was a member, replaced him as Premier on 12 February 1990, with Ian Taylor as her deputy.

Lawrence was the first female Premier of an Australian State. However, she was not the first female head of government of a province of the Commonwealth of Australia; being preceded by Rosemary Follett, who became Chief Minister of the ACT on 11 May 1989.

On 19 November 1990, Lawrence called a Royal Commission into matters related to the WA Inc deals, after considerable public and media pressure. The commission hearings began on 12 March 1991, and within months, the Labor party became a minority government as three left-wing MPs left the party to sit as independents. Coverage of the commission hearings dominated media headlines for most of the period from then until the 1993 election.

Juvenile crime
Between mid-1990 and early 1992, several high-speed chases involving cars stolen by repeat juvenile offenders resulted in the deaths of 10 people, including a businessman and several young parents. All received considerable media attention, most notably from 6PR's Howard Sattler. On 25 December 1991, 22-year-old Margaret Blurton and her infant son Shane were killed in a crash involving Kingsley Arnold Pickett, a 14-year-old Aboriginal offender in a stolen motor vehicle. Margaret's husband Peter survived, and gained public sympathy through bedside interviews to print and electronic media. A candlelight vigil was organised outside Parliament House on 4 January 1992, and exactly a month later, responding directly to the public call for action, Lawrence and deputy leader Ian Taylor tabled the Crime (Serious and Repeat Offenders) Sentencing Bill 1992, which was rushed through parliament despite the advice of a committee that it was "unworkable and unsustainable". Peter Blurton established the Margaret and Shane Foundation to channel both his own grief and the immense public sympathy into a workforce to fight for the rights of crime victims. The law, however, turned out to be defective and Lawrence later declared it to have been a mistake. The Act was repealed in June 1994.

Transport infrastructure
The other matter which preoccupied the Government was the ongoing construction of the Northern Suburbs Transit System, later to be known as the Joondalup line, which proceeded throughout Lawrence's term as Premier. She officially opened the line on 20 December 1992, with three stations on the line opening initially. On 21 March 1993, the other stations opened. The Perth City Busport (now known as Elizabeth Quay Bus Station) was opened on 30 November 1991 to centralise services travelling through the central business district.

Election defeat
In the election held on 6 February 1993, the Lawrence government was defeated by the Liberal-National coalition and Richard Court, who had replaced Barry MacKinnon as opposition leader just a year earlier, became Premier. Lawrence remained as Opposition Leader until early 1994.

In December 1993, Lawrence, Jim McGinty and Geoff Gallop joined in a petition to the High Court of Australia to challenge the franchise system for the Western Australian Legislative Council. The system of vote-weighting tended to favour the conservative parties and was a long-term obstacle to the ALP gaining control of the council. On 20 February 1996, the High Court rejected the challenge on the basis that the law was not unconstitutional.

Entry to Federal Parliament and Cabinet Ministry
On 12 March 1994, following the resignation of former Federal treasurer and member for Fremantle, John Dawkins, she won a by-election for the seat and entered federal politics. Fremantle is a safe Labor seat which had once been held by Labor Prime Minister John Curtin, and later, Whitlam-era Education Minister Kim Beazley senior.

On 25 March 1994, she was appointed Minister for Human Services and Health and Minister assisting the Prime Minister for the Status of Women in the Keating government.

The Royal Commission
In May 1995, Premier Court requested the establishment of a Royal Commission to determine the circumstances of the tabling of the Easton affair petition. On 14 November 1995, the Royal Commission released a report which found that Lawrence had misled the Western Australian Parliament concerning her knowledge of and role in the tabling of the petition. Paul Keating denounced the commission as a political stunt and accused the Commissioner, Kenneth Marks QC, of bias.

At the 1996 federal election, the Keating government lost office and, following Paul Keating's resignation of the leadership, Kim Beazley, a Western Australian, became the new Leader of the Opposition.

Lawrence was appointed to the Opposition frontbench as Shadow Environment Minister. On 21 February 1997, she was charged with three counts of perjury resulting from the findings of the Marks Royal Commission. She stood down from the shadow ministry pending her trial. She was acquitted on 23 July 1999.

Later political life
In September 2000 Beazley approved her reappointment to the Labor frontbench, and appointed her shadow minister for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Affairs, the Arts and Status of Women.

During the 2001 federal election campaign, Lawrence strongly disapproved of Beazley's support for the government's policy of detaining asylum-seekers (see Tampa affair). In December 2002 she resigned from the Shadow Cabinet, describing the party's policies on asylum and immigration as "brutal and inhumane".

She announced on 29 March 2007 that she would not recontest her seat in the Parliament at the 2007 Australian federal election.

Presidency of the ALP
During 2002 the Labor Party approved a series of reforms proposed by new Opposition leader Simon Crean, among them the direct election of the party's National President by the party membership (the post had previously been filled by election at the party's National Conference) and a reduction of the unions' representation at party conferences from 60% to 50%. Lawrence emerged as the candidate of the party's Left faction for the post, and the election took place in November 2003. Although she did not win an absolute majority of the votes, Lawrence topped the poll and was elected president, taking office on 1 January 2004, shortly after Mark Latham succeeded Crean as party Leader. She used the position to campaign in favour of a policy of better treatment for asylum-seekers entering Australia. Her term as National President ended on 1 January 2005, when she was succeeded by Barry Jones.

After Parliament
As foreshadowed in her announcement of March 2007, Lawrence did not contest the federal election held on 24 November 2007, thereby retiring from Parliament. She was succeeded as Member for Fremantle by Melissa Parke, also of the ALP.

Following her departure from the federal Parliament, Lawrence was engaged for a term, in 2008, as a Professorial Fellow at the University of Western Australia. Her brief was to conduct collaborative research with a focus on the origins of fanaticism and extreme behaviour, including terrorism, under the auspices of the university's Institute of Advanced Studies.

In 2016 Lawrence became president of the Conservation Council of Western Australia, and has campaigned against continuing sponsorship of major sporting clubs by companies involved in fossil fuel extraction.

In 2022, Lawrence was appointed Officer of the Order of Australia in the 2022 Queen's Birthday Honours for "distinguished service to the people and Parliaments of Australia and Western Australia, to conservation, and to arts administration".

Notable public appearances and other engagements

 * Lawrence delivered the John Curtin Memorial Lecture in 1994, speaking on the theme Women and Labor – A Future Perspective.
 * On 24 November 1994, Lawrence delivered a lecture at Curtin University titled, "My Invalid Carrot is the Prettiest of Them All" as part of the Elizabeth Jolley Lecture Series.
 * In 1995/96 Lawrence was named "Number One Ticket-Holder" for the Fremantle Football Club.
 * In 2002, in her capacity as Shadow Minister for the Status of Women, Lawrence took part in the Canberra launch of the National Maternity Action Plan.
 * From 2000 to 2004, she was a contributor to the Internet journal Online Opinion.
 * From 2002 to 2005, she was an intermittent contributor to Margo Kingston's Webdiary.
 * In 2005 she spoke in the Eminent Lecturer Series for the Herbert and Valmae Freilich Foundation which is hosted by the Australian National University. Her lectures on the theme Fear and Public Policy have since been published as a book titled Fear and Politics (listed in the Publications section, below).
 * On 19 February 2007, Lawrence was the principal guest at the launch of the web publication The federal electorate of Fremantle: A history since 1901, an initiative of the John Curtin Prime Ministerial Library.
 * 2012 Reid Oration - Maintaining a civil society: The importance of equality and education The Reid Oration is a collaboration between the WA Institute of Public Administration Australia and The University of Western Australia.
 * Lawrence was awarded the 2015 Australian Humanist of the Year for her consistent humanist approach to a wide range of issues, both as politician and researcher, and for speaking out on matters of concern to humanists including the welfare of Indigenous people, equality for women, inequality in education and Australia's treatment of asylum seekers.

Contributed chapter

 * "We are destroying the joint", pp. 70–86, in: Destroying the joint, edited by Jane Caro, Read How You Want (2015, ISBN 9781459687295).

title: Carmen Lawrence