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Talk:Microcar

Why has Bubble car been redirected here? Bubble car is a much more familiar term. Mintguy 14:56, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)

The following information was lost when bubble car was made a redirect to microcar, and needs to be merged in

Bubble car is a generic name given to a range of small economical motor vehicles (automobiles) mainly produced in the 1950s and 1960s. Bubble cars became popular in Europe at this time as a demand for cheap personal motorised transport emerged. Most, although by no means all, were three-wheelers; this made them still cheaper to run in many places, since they were considered for tax and licensing purposes a motorcycle.

The vast majority of bubble cars were manufactered in Germany, including by the former German military aircraft manufacturers, Messerschmitt and Heinkel, as well as BMW's Isetta. France also produced large numbers of similar tiny vehicles called voiturettes, but unlike the German makes, these were rarely sold abroad. There were also some similar British vehicles (see Reliant Robin) - these were rather larger but continued in production until modern times.

I think this was a very bad merger. Most places that refer to 'bubble car' specifically want to know about the immediately post-war Isettas and such. After the advent of the Mini, the term vanished completely and the term 'microcar' didn't appear until much later. There were no cars that were ever called by both names - there was no period in time when both terms were in use. I intend to start a new 'bubble car' article and remove the redirection here. SteveBaker 13:02, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Where is the line between micro and mini?
It seems to me that minis start at bout 500 cc. I don't know whether to call the Fiat 500 a mini or micro. I think it was a mini. It was designed to hold 5 people. Certainly the Fiat 600 was not a micro. So why are people calling the Smart a micro? Also, 740 kg. is as much as a VW Beetle and nothing at all like an Isetta. I see 350 kg. for the Isetta and 240 kg. for the weight of a Messerschmitt. On the other hand the original 2CV might be considered a micro because of its 375 cc. engine, even though it was rather large. I vote for 400 cc. and 400 kg. as limits and length and volume too if others want. That is around the weight of the original 2CV which seems to be on the border. Certainly larger engined 2CVs were minis. I might make an exception for the Corbin Sparrow, if necessary, because of the weight of the batteries. Interior volume does not help much because sports cars are not microcars (except maybe small engined ones like the Messerschmitt TG500 and Berkeley). (One could make a case for decreasing these as time goes on to compensate for improvements in materials, engines and other technology.)

Maybe we should keep a link to the Smart, saying it is the closest mass produced thing currently available.

As for the picture, how about the BMW Isetta. The Messerschmitts were not typical of microcars because they were for motorway use. David R. Ingham

I added qualification to the statement that the Smart is considered a micro-car. I really still think it is rather heavy to be considered a mini-car. David R. Ingham 05:02, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, wierd, isn't it? Twenty years ago the "supermini" class Mk2 VW Polo had a kerb weight of about 750kg (the somewhat more modern mk3, which I owned, being ~850kg) and could, at a push, seat five people and take all their luggage (well, with a roofrack or some in-cabin compromising). Now that unladen weight is only seen in 2-seater near-zero-luggage "micro" cars. That's NCAP for you, I guess :-) 82.46.180.56 (talk) 04:20, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

The Citroen 2CV is a four-door, four-seat car. It is definitely *not* a microcar. Respectfully, SamBlob 23:42, 12 December 2006 --- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.183.24 (talk) 02:23, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

 * 2CV is not a microcar but a good reference for micro cars and mini cars. 31.206.142.238 (talk) 06:33, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes. I was surprised to see a picture of a Smart car. In the US it should be considered as a sub-compact. It weighs as much as the Geo Metros and other small cars from the 60's-70's such as VW's, Datsun's, and Toyota's. A Smart car has nothing micro about it, other than it's length. and surely the 1.0 L engine would disqualify it. I can see making a mention of the Smart as being the closest thing with 4 wheels, legally allowed in the US, but don't waste a photo on it. We need other photos of true Microcar's. The Tata Nano is very borderline. I guess if a BMW 600 is a micro, then the Tata could be also.Flight Risk (talk) 06:22, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Capitalization and grammer.
I just noticed the comment on the Smart. It needs to be either "The Smart", if it is the name of a car or other brand name or "A smart" if it means any car with artificial intelligence.

 * The brand of car is "smart", without capitalization. This is so because the manufacturer says it is so.Respectfully, SamBlob 23:40, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

 * "Grammer"?? 82.46.180.56 (talk) 04:17, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Please see MOS:TM which says, "Capitalize trademarks, as with proper names", "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting "official"" and "avoid: thirtysomething is a television show that may have been sponsored by adidas, but not by craigslist, because the show was over before craigslist existed. Instead, use: Thirtysomething is a television show that may have been sponsored by Adidas, but not by Craigslist, because the show was over before Craigslist existed."So it's Smart for the purposes of Wikipedia, matey.86.0.203.120 (talk) 01:00, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

GEM is probably to large to be a microcar.
A minicar maybe.

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I never thought there was a minicar category. Maybe we need a teenycar and punycar category too? Tho I agree the GEM isn't a micro. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.183.24 (talk) 02:33, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Another name for microcar is Station Car
Can someone verify this? I found a site linking to 329 other micro-car related websites, and none of them calls a microcar a station car. Quick search on Google didn't give a satisfying result either. Can someone come up with a reliable source please? Pim Rijkee (talk) 17:44, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

As far as I can see, this referred to the National Station Car Association of America mentioned on this page "The Station Car Idea". This was a long term venture linked to (but independant of) the Bay Area Rapid Transit system that used small battery electric cars sited at the stations to provide a link from station to home. The website for the association doesn't appear to have had any significant update since 2003 and I've been unable to find the term used anywhere else in relation to microcars, so I've removed it. Mighty Antar (talk) 00:59, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

The prototype cars which were used in the project are covered on this page Think Global. They could be classed as microcars, but there doesn't seem to be any reason why all station cars have to be microcars. Mighty Antar (talk) 01:06, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

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Fuldamobil (Nobel 200)
Fuldamobil might be added to this article. It has been produced in many countries.

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuldamobil (models N, s1 to s7)

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Jim Prentice

Peter Eric James Prentice (July 20, 1956 – October 13, 2016) was a Canadian politician who served as the 16th premier of Alberta from 2014 to 2015. In the 2004 federal election he was elected to the House of Commons of Canada as a candidate of the Conservative Party of Canada. He was re-elected in the 2006 federal election and appointed to the cabinet as Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development and Federal Interlocutor for Métis and Non-Status Indians. Prentice was appointed Minister of Industry on August 14, 2007, and after the 2008 election became Minister of Environment on October 30, 2008. On November 4, 2010, Prentice announced his resignation from cabinet and as MP for Calgary Centre-North. After retiring from federal politics he entered the private sector as vice-chairman of CIBC.

Prentice entered provincial politics in his home province of Alberta, and ran for the leadership of the Progressive Conservative Association of Alberta to replace Dave Hancock, who was serving as interim Premier and party leader after Alison Redford's resignation. On September 6, 2014, Prentice won the leadership election, becoming both the leader of the Progressive Conservatives and as such the Premier, as his party held a majority in the Legislative Assembly of Alberta. As Premier of Alberta, Prentice formed a new cabinet consisting of some members from the previous government, but also new Ministers including two who did not hold seats in the Legislature—Stephen Mandel and Gordon Dirks. All three stood as candidates in by-elections scheduled for October 27, 2014, and all three were elected with Prentice becoming the MLA for Calgary-Foothills. After introducing his first budget in 2015, Prentice declared an early provincial election on May 5, 2015. In the election, Prentice's PCs suffered an unprecedented defeat, dropping to third place in the legislature with just 10 seats – ending 44 years of Tory rule in Alberta, the longest consecutive reign for any political party at the provincial level in Canada. Despite winning re-election in Calgary-Foothills, on election night Prentice resigned as both PC leader and MLA and retired from politics after results indicated that the Alberta NDP had won a majority government.

On October 13, 2016, Prentice and three others were killed when the aircraft in which they were travelling crashed shortly after taking off from Kelowna, British Columbia. The flight was en route from Kelowna to Springbank Airport, just outside Calgary.

Background
Prentice was born to a large, blue-collar family in South Porcupine, near Timmins, Ontario. The family then moved to Alberta in 1969. He was the son of Wilma Lyle Marea (Mawhiney) and Eric Prentice, a professional hockey player who played five games in the National Hockey League (NHL) in the 1940s. His uncle Dean Prentice played in the NHL for more than 20 years. Prentice was educated at the University of Alberta (where he became a member of the Phi Gamma Delta fraternity ) and Dalhousie University. He paid for his tuition by working as a coal miner in the summer months for seven years.

As a lawyer, he served as a Law Commissioner of the Indian Claims Commission of Canada.

In his personal life, Prentice served for seven years on the Board of Directors at the Calgary Winter Club, including stints as president and Chairman. He was an active member and volunteer leader in the Grace Presbyterian Church. Prentice and his wife Karen have three daughters and two grandchildren.

He was also a member of the Trilateral Commission, a non-partisan organization that aims to increase cooperation within the developed world. In this capacity, Prentice was one of 20 Canadian members.

Early political career
Prentice joined the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada in 1976, and was active in Tory circles ever since. In the 1986 provincial election, Prentice ran for the Progressive Conservatives in Calgary Mountain View, being defeated by NDP candidate Bob Hawkesworth.

During the early 1990s, Prentice served as the governing federal PC party's chief financial officer and treasurer (1990–93). Prentice first ran for Parliament as the nominated Progressive Conservative candidate in a spring 2002 by-election in the riding of Calgary Southwest that followed the retirement of Preston Manning as the riding's Member of Parliament (MP). When newly elected Canadian Alliance leader Stephen Harper replaced nominated CA candidate Ezra Levant in the by-election, Prentice withdrew from the race, following common practice to allow a party leader to win a seat uncontested so they may lead their party within Parliament.

He ran in the 2003 Progressive Conservative leadership election to support the "United Alternative" proposal to merge the PC party with the Canadian Alliance. He was seen by many as an alternative to the "status quo" candidate and front runner Peter MacKay. A basic platform of Prentice's campaign was that "no one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family." Prentice entered the 2003 convention day with some momentum, after delivering a passionate speech to the assembled delegates that encouraged Tories to be proud of their accomplishments, despite recent setbacks, and that recalled the sacrifices of Canadian soldiers who fought in the Battle of Passchendaele. He also unexpectedly received the support of fellow leadership challenger Craig Chandler, who withdrew early. Prentice ultimately emerged in second-place on the fourth ballot to the eventual winner MacKay. Consistent with his positions during the leadership race, Prentice was a supporter of the merger endorsed by both the CA and PC parties in December 2003 that formed the new Conservative Party of Canada.

Prentice was the first declared candidate for the leadership of the new Conservative Party, announcing his run on December 7, 2003, the day after the new party was ratified by members of the PC Party. Prentice began his campaign in Calgary and toured parts of Ontario, specifically visiting Kingston, Ontario, the hometown of the first conservative leader Sir John A. Macdonald. However, he withdrew from the race on January 12, 2004, citing difficulty in raising new funds less than a year after his unsuccessful first leadership bid. The leadership election was won by Stephen Harper, who later became Prime Minister of Canada after the 2006 Canadian federal election.

Early parliamentary career
Prentice ran in the riding of Calgary Centre-North in the 2004 election for the new Conservative Party, and won the seat with 54% of the popular vote.

After being sworn in as the MP for Calgary Centre North on July 16, Conservative Party Leader Stephen Harper named Prentice to the Shadow Cabinet as the Official Opposition Critic for Indian and Northern Affairs. In that role Prentice opposed the Tli Cho land claim agreement, which he said would make Canadian law secondary to Tlicho local law. Prentice was also a strong supporter of the proposed and controversial Mackenzie Valley pipeline. He criticized the Liberal government for its treatment of aboriginal women, and its alleged costs of administering the Residential School Claims program for aboriginal victims of abuse.

Prentice described himself as a Red Tory in the Conservative Party and surprised many observers when he voted in favour of Bill C-38 supporting same-sex marriage.

Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development
Prentice had been assigned the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development in the Conservative government, and was sworn into this role on February 6, 2006, until August 13, 2007. One of his main challenges as Minister was to implement "The Nunavut Project," a 2006 report authored by Thomas Berger, to show tangible, measurable results to increase Inuit representation in the Nunavut public services.

Kelowna Accord and residential schools
In the fall of 2006, Phil Fontaine, National chief of the Assembly of First Nations, expressed disappointment over the Conservative government's refusal to honour the Kelowna Accord, endorsed by 14 jurisdictions (the federal government, 10 provinces, and three territories). Fontaine previously described the federal government's point person on Kelowna, Jim Prentice, as an "honourable" person sensitive to native concerns. Prior to January 2006 election, Fontaine and two vice-chiefs of the Assembly of First Nations had a meeting with Prentice. "[Prentice] acknowledged all the hard work that went into Kelowna and (said) that the Conservative party would not put this aside," says Fontaine. "We took him at his word." Prentice did not recall saying that: "I've always been very, very careful about what I've said about Kelowna," According to Fontaine, in their first meeting after the 2006 election, "(Prentice) wanted to apply a very focused approach to his responsibilities." In the federal budget of May 2006, Fontaine and other native leaders got a glimpse of what "focused" meant: just $450 million (over two years) was committed to implementing Kelowna, not the $1.64 billion for the first two years that Paul Martin had agreed to.

Prentice argued that there was actually $3.7 billion in spending on native peoples in the May 2006 budget, "more than the previous four budgets in total." That figure includes $2.2 billion in compensation for victims of abuse in residential schools (another deal that was worked out with the previous government) and $300 million for off-reserve housing.

On June 11, 2008, Prime Minister Stephen Harper thanked Jim Prentice for his work on addressing the matter of the Indian residential schools and providing a government apology for the residential school system. Stephen Harper's thanks to Prentice came before he made the apology to former students of the schools.

Minister of Industry
In a cabinet shuffle on August 14, 2007, Prentice became Minister of Industry, succeeding Maxime Bernier.

Copyright legislation and controversy
Bringing "Canada into WIPO treaty compliance" had been stated as one of Prentice's goals in future copyright legislation. It has been pointed out repeatedly, however, that at the time of Prentice's statement of his rationale for introducing amendments to the Copyright Act, there was no international legal obligation to implement any provision of the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) Copyright Treaty (WCT) or the WIPO Performances & Phonograms Treaty (WPPT) since neither had been ratified by Canada. Prentice has promised to "put consumers first." claiming in an editorial that "(C-61) allows the recording of webcasts and TV and radio programs to be enjoyed at different times" while ignoring the fact that if the files are protected by digital rights management (DRM) it is illegal to break the DRM to make the recording. Michael Geist, Canada Research Chair of Internet and E-commerce Law at the University of Ottawa, has suggested that the core desire of the draft legislation is "to satisfy U.S. pressure by enacting something very close to the U.S. Digital Millennium Copyright Act".

Prentice did not immediately provide a rationale for not discussing the issue with CBC Radio Canada despite the hundreds of questions that flooded in from concerned Canadians. He also refused to talk to a group of protesters who went to his office to express their concern, stating "When Canadian Heritage Minister Josée Verner and I have reached a consensus and we're satisfied, we will introduce a bill." Prentice has also implied that he will not follow the Government's policy to table the WCT & WPPT 21 days prior to introducing copyright amendments designed to implement parts of these treaties contrary to the Government's policy on treaty implementation. Industry Canada announced on June 11, 2008, that Prentice "will deliver brief statements and answer media inquiries shortly after the tabling of a bill to amend the Copyright Act ... [on] Thursday, June 12, 2008". After less than two hours, hundreds of Canadians and critics panned the new Bill C-61 as nothing more than pandering to US interests at the expense of Canadians.

On a 10-minute interview with the CBC's Search Engine radio program he dismissed any question related to digital rights management as "extremely technical" and claimed that the market will take care of copy protected CDs. Prentice then hung up mid question and refused to continue the interview at a later time. Most notably, Jim Prentice hung up before answering Jesse Brown's final question about who, under this bill, would have the power to investigate potential copyright violations.

Wikipedia controversy
During the period of May 27, 2008, to June 4, 2008, edits originating from an IP address belonging to Industry Canada were made to the Jim Prentice article on Wikipedia. The edits included the removal of references to new copyright legislation (claiming that it did not exist) and the addition of two passages about Prentice's recent accomplishments as Minister of Industry. Specifically, information about the copyright controversy was deleted from Prentice's biography by someone using an Industry Canada IP address.

Jay Walsh, spokesman for the Wikimedia Foundation, said in an interview there are tens of thousands of living people with biographies on Wikipedia, "so challenges about information are not uncommon." Walsh said neutrality of language and guarding against conflicts of interest are two of the central pillars of Wikipedia. He said, "The edits which should be trusted would come from people who don't possess a conflict of interest, in this case, it would be worthwhile saying that if someone is making edits from a computer within the government of Canada … if it was someone within that ministry, that would theoretically constitute a conflict of interest."

Auto industry
In a February 29, 2008, speech to the Toronto Board of Trade Prentice rejected the concept of direct subsidies to the auto industry, insisting that setting up a strong economic foundation is a better route to strengthen the business. Former Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion said Finance Minister Jim Flaherty should be fired after the planned shutdown of the GM truck plant in Oshawa, Ont., with Prentice and Flaherty expressing hope for a new GM plant.

Net neutrality
While serving as a Federal Cabinet minister, Prentice received criticism that he was sidestepping the issue of Canada's net neutrality laws by not providing clear answers regarding the government's position on internet throttling practices by national Internet Service Providers (ISPs). New Democratic Party MP Charlie Angus raised the issue to Prentice in the House of Commons and said the government's "hands off" approach was bad for Canadian innovation. Prentice said that the issue is being appropriately handled by the Federal government agency the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC), which invited the general public to an open debate on net neutrality.

Text messaging fees
After initially appearing to take a stand on the issue, Prentice refused to intervene when Telus and Bell started charging 15 cents for incoming SMS text messages despite widespread opposition by consumer groups. This decision was made after Prentice dialogued with senior Bell and Telus executives and suggested that consumers "seek alternatives", even in Canada's limited-competition cellular industry.

Minister of the Environment
On October 30, 2008, Prentice was sworn in as Minister of the Environment in the Conservative Government. During his tenure, funding for the CFCAS (Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences) was not renewed, which some argued lead to a brain drain in the climate scientific community.

Draft Prentice Movement
Shortly after the Conservative government faced a possible defeat by the opposition over the Conservatives economic update, a "Conservatives for Prentice" website emerged, gaining a place on the Blogging Tories blogroll. A posting from a person claiming to be David Higginbottom, Prentice's campaign manager in the last election, said, "It is unfortunate that at a time when Conservatives need to be working together to prevent what is a desperate power play by the opposition to seize control of our democratically elected government, that a site like this would be created."

Resignation
On November 4, 2010, Prentice announced he was resigning as Environment Minister effective immediately and that he would be resigning as Member of Parliament for Calgary Centre-North by the end of the year to take a job as vice-chairman of the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce.

Prentice suggested that his departure was for family reasons; he had committed to spending 10 years in politics, and at that point he had. He expressed a desire to step down so he could explore new opportunities in his life. His resignation raised some questions with the opposition; NDP leader Jack Layton expressed concern over the apparent connection between Ministers and the large banks.

Premier of Alberta
Though previously rumoured to have been interested in succeeding Stephen Harper as federal Conservative leader, Prentice entered the 2014 Alberta Progressive Conservative leadership election on May 15, 2014. At the time the Alberta PC party was lagging badly in polls behind the opposition Wildrose due to personal expense controversies with Allison Redford, who resigned as premier and party leader after facing a revolt from the caucus and riding associations, with Dave Hancock serving in these roles for the interim. On September 6, 2014, Prentice won the leadership race with more than 76% of the vote on the first ballot (the leadership contest was conducted using Instant-runoff voting).

Prentice was formally sworn in as premier on September 15, 2014. He immediately named a 20-member Executive Council of Alberta, smaller than the cabinet had been under recent premiers. His recommendations for cabinet appointments included two people, former Edmonton mayor Stephen Mandel and former Calgary Board of Education trustee Gordon Dirks, who were not members of the Legislative Assembly. Prentice was elected to the legislature in a by-election in Calgary-Foothills, the seat formerly held by MLA Len Webber. The PCs won all four of the provincial by-elections held on October 27, 2014, in what was seen at the time as a major electoral success for Prentice.

On November 24, 2014, Wildrose Party MLAs Kerry Towle, (Innisfail-Sylvan Lake), and Ian Donovan, (Little Bow) crossed the floor to join the ruling PC Party's caucus giving the turmoil within the Wildrose Party, uncertainty about the leadership of Danielle Smith and confidence in Prentice as reasons for their move.

On December 17, 2014, in a highly unusual move within any parliament using the Westminster system, Leader of the Opposition Danielle Smith confirmed that she and eight other Wildrose members – Rob Anderson, Gary Bikman, Rod Fox, Jason Hale, Bruce McAllister, Blake Pedersen, Bruce Rowe and Jeff Wilson – would cross the floor to the Progressive Conservative caucus. At a press conference, Smith said that her conversations with Prentice revealed that they shared so much common ground that it made little sense for her to continue in opposition. "If you’re going to be the official Opposition leader," she said, "you have to really want to take down the government and really take down the premier. I don't want to take down this premier. I want this premier to succeed." The defections were termed by a journalist as "an unprecedented move in Canadian political history", although they did not change the overall make-up of the legislature – the Conservatives still held a vast majority of the seats, and the Wildrose Party remained the Official Opposition.

Prentice's March 2015 budget "raised a plethora of taxes and fees to help pay the province's way out of its hole, but he refuses to touch corporate taxes, because he is spooked by the prospect of investors skipping over Alberta for their next billion-dollar energy project, in favour of some more clement petro-state somewhere else. This array of taxes on you and your friends, but not on the C-Suite in Calgary’s office-tower jungle, has provoked populists on the left and right". In retrospect, Ron Kneebone of the University of Calgary’s School of Public Policy defended Prentice's budget saying "'We've got to look in the mirror.' He got tossed for it. But he was absolutely right because he said, 'You guys keep electing us for spending all this money.'"

On April 7, 2015, Prentice advised the Lieutenant Governor to call an early election for May 5 claiming that he needed to seek a new mandate in order to pass his budget, a full year before he was mandated to by the provincial fixed-election law of an election every four years (by the constitution, the incumbent government could run for up to five years before the writ had to be dropped in 2017). The Progressive Conservatives were already lagging in polls behind the resurgent Wildrose Party led by Brian Jean, as Prentice's pre-election budget was deeply unpopular with both the left and right in the political spectrum while only "business leaders thought it was tough but fair". Several gaffes by Prentice hurt him and his party in the campaign, including a comment before the election call in which Prentice appeared to be blaming Albertans, telling them that they had to "look in the mirror" to understand the root cause of Alberta's "serious budget shortfall"; Alberta Party leader Greg Clark dubbed this “Mr. Prentice’s Alice in Wonderland moment because it’s only in some alternate reality that the blame for decades of PC mismanagement can be placed squarely on Albertans". There was an "embarrassing miscalculation in the proposed NDP budget" released two days before the debate that Prentice planned to capitalize upon; during the televised leaders' debate Prentice said "I know math is difficult" to Alberta New Democratic Party leader Rachel Notley in criticizing the "multibillion-dollar hole in [her] proposed budget", however Prentice's remark came under fire for as being deeply patronizing as well as potentially sexist.  While Prentice otherwise performed respectably ahead of Wildrose leader Brian Jean and interim Liberal leader David Swann, the NDP gained momentum as a result of the debate and overtook Wildrose for the lead in polls.

The provincial election ended the Progressive Conservatives' 44-year run in government, with the Alberta New Democratic Party winning a majority government, the first time the party had been elected to government in the province's history. The Progressive Conservatives fell to third place in the legislature, with 10 seats, behind both the NDP and the Wildrose Party. While the PCs placed second in terms of the popular vote, their caucus was decimated due to being completely shut out in Edmonton and losing all but eight seats in Calgary. Thirteen members of Prentice's cabinet were defeated, though Prentice himself was re-elected in Calgary-Foothills. However, with the overall result beyond doubt, he resigned as PC leader, disclaimed his seat (thus voiding the election result in his riding) and retired from politics.

During the transition of power, Prentice advised Premier-designate Notley to continue settlement talks with the Lubicon Lake Band. The band had been seeking an agreement for 80 years, and Prentice had reopened negotiations in the fall of 2014. Notley recalled "He saw a path forward and he advised me how to travel that path, for which I, and many, many others, are very grateful", and the land claim deal was reached in late 2018.

After politics
Prentice served as a visiting global fellow at the Canada Institute at the Wilson Center in Washington, D.C., for a four-month term that begun in February 2016. At the Wilson Center, he wrote the book Triple Crown: Winning Canada’s Energy Future with Jean-Sebastien Rioux that was published posthumously by HarperCollins on February 21, 2017.

Prentice was appointed as a senior advisor to private equity firm Warburg Pincus LLC in June 2016, specializing in the energy industry.

Death
Prentice was among the four people killed in the October 13, 2016, crash of a twin-engine Cessna Citation 500 business jet in Lake Country, British Columbia, shortly after takeoff from Kelowna International Airport en route to Springbank Airport near Calgary. He had spent the day golfing in the Kelowna area and was returning home. In April 2018, the Transportation Safety Board of Canada reported that while no conclusive reason for the crash could be determined, it was likely that the pilot had experienced spatial disorientation shortly after takeoff, having had little experience flying at night.

A state funeral was held for Prentice on October 28, 2016. Numerous dignitaries were in attendance, including former Prime Minister Stephen Harper, interim federal Conservative leader Rona Ambrose, Alberta Premier Rachel Notley, British Columbia Premier Christy Clark, Calgary Mayor Naheed Nenshi, Green Party Leader Elizabeth May, former prime minister Joe Clark and former opposition leader Preston Manning.

Prentice's official portrait as Premier of Alberta was unveiled on February 4, 2019. Painted by David Goatley, it depicts Prentice "standing on the third floor of the Alberta legislature, hands resting on the marble railing, eyes looking off in the distance. The expression and gaze shows Jim's sense of vision. He's thinking of the future and not the past." At the ceremony of the portrait unveiling, his widow Karen recalled that Prentice was "one who couldn't resist meeting with school tours when they passed by his office. He would invite them in, show them around, and give each of them the opportunity to sit in the premier's chair.  I honestly believe his hope was that the experience would inspire more than one of these children to become involved in politics one day, and perhaps even become premier".

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I think this could be a very useful list for people doing Women's Studies or related courses. Bmills 14:57, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Women poets or woman poets? DJ Clayworth 15:12, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Explain, please? I mean poets who happen to be women, basically. But I'm just as happy with women who happen to be poets. Bmills 15:16, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * I believe to be grammatically correct 'women poets' is the plural of 'woman poet'. Francs2000 16:25, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * I think Francs2000 is right; I recently added Women Writers Project and wondered the same thing. I resolved it by reasoning that the project's been going for 17 years and they probably know the rules of English pretty well ;)

 * You may want to look for poets in the list of works they've converted. Tualha 13:50, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I guess you wouldn't say man poets. Bmills 14:11, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Can we move this to List of female poets? —Eloquence

Doesn't this page duplicate what's in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Women_poets ? Syosset 00:33, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I believe "Women poets" is perfectly correct and normal usage. As in:

etc. etc.
 * The Women Poets of the Web
 * British Women Romantic Poets Project
 * Acrostics of Self-Inscription by Women Poets of the Romantic Age
 * No More Masks : An Anthology of Twentieth-Century American Women Poets by Florence Howe
 * Approaches to Teaching British Women Poets of the Romantic Period by by Stephen C. Behrendt (Editor)
 * Sappho's Lyre: Archaic Lyric and Women Poets of Ancient Greece by Diane Rayor

(And I was raised by someone who was very particular in such matters. I'm convinced that the main reason why my mother always bought all my clothing at the County Boys' and Men's Shop is that she was so thrilled that they put the apostrophes in the right places.) Dpbsmith 02:01, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Dead Link Cleanup
Please create an article for these links before putting on the Article page WayneRay 03:58, 26 May 2006 (UTC)WayneRay
 * Kaye Aldenhoven
 * Jenny Boult aka MML Bliss
 * Hattie Gossett
 * Joy Harjo
 * Anne Lok (alternate sp. Lock or Locke, First published sonnet sequence in English, Meditation of a Penitent Sinner in 1560)
 * Geraldine Monk
 * Wendy Mulford
 * Eiléan Ní Chuilleanáin
 * Nuala Ní Dhomhnaill
 * Katherine Phillips
 * Veronica Forrest-Thomson
 * Catherine Walsh (born 1964)
 * Adela Zamudio (1854-1928), Bolivian poet

Media mention
This list is mentioned in:

-- Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:02, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

 * FYI - I added this to the top of this of this page:

Better list offer
I saw the "bad review" of this list page. I offer an automatically generated and updated list, based on Wikidata, of >4.600 female poets for which English Wikipedia does have an article. That is a factor of 7 compared to the current, manually maintained list. The demo sections by nationality, which could of course be turned off. --Magnus Manske (talk) 12:59, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Alack! It is a regular browser crasher. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 13:13, 1 June 2015 (UTC).

The issue
Here is a quote from the New Statesman article. 67.100.125.207 (talk) 18:57, 30 May 2015 (UTC) "'The gender disparity has skewed the encyclopaedia’s content – not only which pages are created but also which ones are worked on and improved so that they reach a high standard. Take its “List of Pornographic Actresses”; it is meticulously referenced, with clear sections according to decade. The page is organised, clean and easy to use. Compare it to the “List of Female Poets”: a sprawling dumping ground, organised by name rather than date, unreferenced and of little use to anyone unless they want to know whose name might come after Sylvia Plath in an enormous alphabetical list. The list of poets has been edited 600 times, by nearly 300 editors. The list of female porn stars is a newer page but over 1,000 editors have edited it more than 2,500 times.'"

title: Talk:List of female poets


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User:Viajero/Leumi

''Please respond on: User_Talk:Viajero/Leumi. Thank you.''

Overview
Since arriving at Wikipedia on November 28, User:Leumi has edited nearly exclusively topics related to the Israel-Palestine question, namely:
 * Golan Heights
 * West Bank
 * Palestinian refugee
 * Norman Finkelstein
 * The Holocaust Industry
 * Dershowitz-Finkelstein Affair

among others. See further: http://en2.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&hideminor=0&target=Leumi&limit=1000&offset=0

I have been involved primarily in two of the above articles, The Holocaust Industry and Palestinian refugee and observe following:

 * Leumi is unfailing curteous, diplomatic, and responsive on discussions the Talk pages.

 * He relentless, obssessive and utterly intractable about inserting pro-Israel/anti-Palestine bias into articles.

Questionable edits
Here is follows a small selection of questionable edits:

From: The Holocaust Industry:

Page history overview: http://en2.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=The_Holocaust_Industry&action=history&limit=250&offset=0

http://en2.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=The_Holocaust_Industry&diff=1886003&oldid=1885902

 * Leumi repeated this edit dozens of times; it was continually reverted by me and others.

http://en2.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=The_Holocaust_Industry&diff=1875244&oldid=1875220

http://en2.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=The_Holocaust_Industry&diff=1879532&oldid=1879525

http://en2.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=The_Holocaust_Industry&diff=1879366&oldid=1879359

http://en2.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=The_Holocaust_Industry&diff=1879579&oldid=1879532

From Palestinian refugee:

Page history overview: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Palestinian_refugee&action=history

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Palestinian_refugee&action=history

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Palestinian_refugee&diff=1908477&oldid=1908418

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Palestinian_refugee&diff=1907676&oldid=1906957

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Palestinian_refugee&diff=1874332&oldid=1874317

Further explanation
As can be seen above, In The Holocaust Industry, I others have insisted that

 * His book has been criticised by some other scholars as being exaggerated. Some people claim his book represents Holocaust Revisionism and anti-semitism.

be supported by documentary proof of genuine, widespread concern in the form of a neutral, mainstream news article. Leumi responds by offering http://israel.georgetown.edu/ADL-letter.pdf as "proof". This is a letter received by Georgetown University in which the ADL lambasts it for inviting Finkelstein to speak. The ADL is not mainstream media; it is a notoriously rabid pro-Israel advocacy group. Our own article on the group has this comment by Chomsky on it:

 * "The ADL has virtually abandoned its earlier role as a civil rights organization, becoming 'one of the main pillars' of Israeli propaganda in the U.S., as the Israeli press casually describes it, engaged in surveillance, blacklisting, compilation of FBI-style files circulated to adherents for the purpose of defamation, angry public responses to criticism of Israeli actions, and so on....These efforts, buttressed by insinuations of anti-Semitism or direct accusations, are intended to deflect or undermine opposition to Israeli policies, including Israel's refusal, with U.S. support, to move towards a general political settlement."

This letter, IMO, is therefore in no way, shape, or form suitable as a reference for this encylopedia article. Reumi insists otherwise. In an edit summary to an edit on Norman Finkelstein [], he writes:

 * Removed non-neutral phrasing. ADL is not a pro-israel advocacy group.

As can also be seen above, in Palestinian refugee, I others have insisted on two things:

1. Removal of reference to the book Since Time Immemorial

Since Time Immemorial is a book which has been discredited by Middle East scholars for its faulty data. It is not suitable as a reference for this encylopedia article. Leumi argues otherwise. To butress my claim, I present a reference to an excerpt from a review in the respected US center-left The New York Review of Books :

 * I am reluctant to bore the reader and myself with further examples of Mrs. Peters's highly tendentious use—or neglect—of the available source material. Much more important is her misunderstanding of basic historical processes and her failure to appreciate the central importance of natural population increase as compared to migratory movements. Readers of her book should be warned not to accept its factual claims without checking their sources. Judging by the interest that the book aroused and the prestige of some who have endorsed it, I thought it would present some new interpretation of the historical facts. I found none. Everyone familiar with the writing of the extreme nationalists of Zeev Jabotinsky's Revisionist party (the forerunner of the Herut party) would immediately recognize the tired and discredited arguments in Mrs. Peters's book. I had mistakenly thought them long forgotten. It is a pity that they have been given new life.

Leumi insists this is but one "opinion" and no less nor more valid than any other. I say that the burden is now on him to provide more compelling proof of the veracity of the books claims. He offers an article by Danie Pipes. I take a look at the site, and find an another article from a center-right Dutch newspaper, Trouw on his own site that makes it abundantly clear that he is an extremely controversial individual, anything but impartial about Israel. This article says for example:

 * Het Amerikaans-Arabisch Anti-Discriminatie Comité noemde hem zelfs 'de voornaamste islamofoob van de natie'.

 * The Arab-AmericanAnti Discrimination League says he is "the leading islamophobe in the country

 * Daniel Pipes is een van de oprichters van de website campus-watch.org, dat de Midden-Oostenstudies 'kritisch wil evalueren met het doel ze te verbeteren'. Notoir onderdeel van de site is de afdeling 'Keep Us Informed', waarin studenten worden uitgenodigd, eventueel anoniem, verslag te doen van colleges, lezingen, artikelen in studentenbladen of demonstraties.

 * It further notes that he founded the McCarthyite campus-watch.org which encourages college students to spy and (anonymously) report on campus activities and anti-Israel curricula in Middle East studies.

 * Het was de Washington Post die na verschillende moslimorganisaties gehoord te hebben, Pipes' benoeming door Bush een 'wrede grap' noemde.

 * and that even that the Washington Post found his apppointment by Bush to United States Institute of Peace, a Middle East peace thinktank, a "cruel joke".

Leumi responds:

 * Mr. Pipes is by all means a mainstream source. He has been nominated to a prominent position on a federal think tank by the President of the United States of America. That president recieved approximately half of the votes of the US populace (the election controversy disputes whether it was a majority but half or almost half qualifies as more than mainstream) regardless of what you and I think on his policies (which may be closer than you think, I might add), thereby qualifying him and his appointments as mainstream. Just because someone is criticized does not disqualify them from all relevant matters. With respect, I ask you to recognize that other points of view have the same right to be included as your own. Leumi 00:42, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Further commentary superfluous.

2. That "claimed they" be removed from the following sentence:

 * Many fled of their own volition; others claimed they were driven from their homes, prior to and during the war.

I insist that refugees don't leave their homes because they want a holiday; they leave because they are FORCED to go. It is not a claim, it is a fact.

Leumi responds by referring to the Deir Yassin massacre, quoting from an article which wouldn't open in my browser, "Deir Yassin a casualty of guns and propaganda", by Paul Holmes (Reuters) which suggests that news of the atrocities committed was "propganda spread by Arabs so that the Arab armies would invade." Fortunately, we have a good article on the subject, Deir Yassin massacre, which contradicts such racists nonsense.

I insist that it is irevevant whether one has a gun to one's head or one flees out of fear and that physical force and psychological fear amount to the same thing. I wrote:

 * Did all 750,000 Palestinian refugees flee because they had a gun to their heads. No. Did they leave because they were afraid of getting killed? Yes. Ergo, they were forced to go.

Leumi replies:

 * However by saying they were "forced" we present that picture of a gun to the head, misleading the reader. Also the word "fled" implies leaving because of some sort of fear. Forced implies actual physical confrontation. We have to represent it in a manner not only semantically correct, but also practically so as well.Leumi 23:52, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

At this point the article was protected by Angela.

What others say
Some comments about Leumi from other users:

From Conflicts between users, now move to User Talk: Viajero/Leumi I have come to know User:Leumi in a different sense. I have found him to be a voice of reason in talk page discussion, even while he is being trolled. Perhaps the regular attacks against him (see Talk:Dershowitz-Finkelstein Affair for example) have gotten the better of him at times, but he is a new user, and considering his civil tone, deserves a great deal of accommodation. The impression I have gotten is that he has made a remarkably unfortunate choice in screen names (see Irgun for info) and thus has attracted heated opposition from the other side of these contentious issues. I have suggested he might want to try other pages in order to avoid the trolls, but these subjects are where his interests (and skills) lie. In conclusion, I argue that he brings a great deal of value to the wiki, not the least of which is a responsive attitude to polite and reasonable conversation. JackLynch 20:00, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)

and I am not saying he is the perfect editor yet, but I think he has loads of potential. I havn't been here long, and I learned fast, but the first week or so I had very little idea of how things worked, or how best to handle a dispute over edits dear to my heart. Anyways, I think this is a very complicated situation, and a new user with lots to add, both intellectually and socially (a bit of polite discussion goes a long way, w me) JackLynch 20:19, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)

My curiosity finally got the better of me, and I looked at a bunch of Leumi's changes. I tell you, I just don't see the big POV problem. Conversely, Chomsky is known to be one of the most partisan authors on the subject, so it makes me suspicious when someone quotes him as if he were an objective authority. I also note that Viajero is saying things to Leumi like "you don't have the foggiest idea what neutrality is", which is really pushing it ad hominem-wise. So I'm more inclined to look sharply at Viajero than at Leumi in this dispute. Stan 01:28, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

One more thought for Viajero: maybe you didn't get anywhere with Leumi because he's right and you're wrong about the POV? A good scholar should always be willing to examine his/her own position skeptically, but you seem awfully convinced that it can't be you that's mistaken. Stan 01:33, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * Stan, I don't claim to be impartial. My point of view might best be summed up as simple indignation over what Israel is doing in Palestine, but not only for the impact on its Arab neighbors but also for the dehumanizing effect on Israeli society itself. I am neither anti-Israel nor pro-Arab (both silly concepts); I am anti-state and pro-people. As an American citizen I am embarassed the US's actions in the Middle East; they are not only harming Arab culture, they are also dehumanizing American society. The only thing I assert here and now is my dedication to editorial impartiality. I defy you to find a biased statement in anything I have written here on the Middle East, but it won't be easy because there isn't a lot; this isn't a subject for which I feel a profound affinity. That being said, when I see someone like Leumi entering weasel language, and citing discredited scholarship and highly partisan actors, an alarm bell rings, just as it would if the topic were, say, Venzuela.

Now, I'd like to know where you stand on the following: "refugees that claim they were driven" or "refugees that were driven"? -- Viajero 04:08, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC) From Talk:Palestinian refugee:

 * Just to clarify, I will not work on this page any more as it is a waste of time. The first three paragraphs contain some salvagable material but the rest is rubbish. Leumi's long paragraph is just standard right-wing "bash the victims" stuff. He didn't even bother to put in the key part of the UNRWA definition despite proving above that he knows about it. Then follow two standard junk "quotations" from people who are so important that that the internet never heard of them except for endless regurgitation of these "quotations". (I bet nobody here can even prove they existed.) After that, childish apologetics that even includes citation of the notorious racist forgery "From Time Immemorial". Having it there brings shame on Wikipedia, but with people around who think it is "scholarly" what is the point of trying to do anything about it? So, Bye Bye. --Zero 06:33, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * Ed, you fell for it. What Leumi wrote as just a "claim" by the refugees themselves is in fact the majority opinion of specialist historians. It was even the opinion of the Israeli intelligence services of the time, as shown by Israeli archival documents. As I wrote above, with propagandists like Leumi around the prospect of making this into an accurate article is NIL, so I'm not going to try. --Zero 01:18, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

From: Talk:The Holocaust Industry:

This page is inaccurate because of Leumi's continuing vandalism [...] My accusations are ridiculous? Do you deny that put the same 'Finkelstein has been accused of being a Holocaust Denier, Anti-Semite etc' in EVERY article related to Finkelstein. Do you deny calling Finkelstein a Holocaust Denier in the Palestinian Refugee revision history, Do you deny that you then claimed in the Norman Finkelstein talk page that ' I didn't say the accusations were true'.

Leumi, it appears that you are reverting entire edits without considering the changes. Viajero's edit looked good and the only part of it you have justified adequately is the shortening of the quote, which you could have done without a blanket reversion. Daniel Quinlan 01:05, Dec 6, 2003 (UTC)

Do you think that means we shouldn't be allowed to add to the article? With respect, I note that the book "From Time Immemorial" By Joan Peters, which you called "a notorious racist forgery" and made edits on is probably not a book you own either. We have the same right to edit this article as you have Zero. Leumi 03:56, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * Yes, I believe that people who don't know anything about a subject should refrain from writing on it (thanks for your admission, by the way). As for FTI, not only do I have a copy but I spent weeks tracking down its sources and comparing them to what is in the book. That's why I can call it a racist forgery on the basis of my own research and don't have to rely on the work of others who have come to the same conclusions. --Zero 04:06, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I reverted Leumi's last edit. It was blatant POV. Daniel Quinlan 21:54, Dec 6, 2003 (UTC)

Re: the controversial "Leumi's POV" bits: Named and attributed sources are always good; otherwise, it smacks of weaselry. --MIRV 21:04, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Leumi, it would help if you could back up what you're saying with some supporting evidence. If it's just you that thinks this is the case, then we can't exactly document it in the article. In addition, your phrasing is somewhat inflamattory and not NPOV. Something like this would be more neutral phrasing, however, I'm not even sure it's true:

 * Some American Jewish groups have expressed concerns that Finkelstein's presentation of Holocaust reparations help feed anti-semitic sentiment.

Again, you can only say that in the article if it's true and verifiable. Daniel Quinlan 21:50, Dec 8, 2003 (UTC)

I don't think you anwered Viajero's question. If someone disagrees with you, it isn't a personal attack.. [anon]

I'm afraid you haven't answered it, you've avoided it. Not only that, but you've avoided my other points. Your idea of compromise is that everyone should agree with you, and if they don't it's a 'personal attack'. The Cry Wolf business is wearing a little thin. I'll repeat my arguments one by one The part of the quote: "I would now say in retrospect that he was actually conservative, moderate and that his conclusions are trustworthy. He is a well-trained political scientist, has the ability to do the research, did it carefully, and has come up with the right results." [anon]

I'm sorry, but your attitude is totally unacceptable, and I'm very dissapointed, shocked, and appalled by your behavior. Rather than attempt to answer my questions, you have studiously avoided them (twice). You then try and say that I should compromise, when you haven't even attempted to answer my points. Please do not lecture me on compromise when you have not even entered into a debate.

From User talk:Viajero: [...]sometimes particular articles get so bloated with garbage supported by obsessive fanatics that any time spent on them is wasted. And [Leumi] is obsessive. Wouldn't be so bad if he actually knew some history. Cheers, --Zero 05:11, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Leumi's own words
Leumi demonstrates courtesy and good will on the Talk pages:

From User talk:Ed Poor:

Thanks for the :). I definitely enjoy conversation much better with the positive atmosphere civil words and a good smiley can bring. I know that POV isn't "fighting words" and by no means am I ashamed of my views, but I resent the fact that people are classifying an opposing POV, which is phrased as you suggested in the form of "it is thought by some that", although some would have one believe that I make these statements as fact, as inherently "mine", implying that it is not legitimate and limited to me and my close followers, as if it was some sort of "cult" view and not respectable enough to be put in the encyclopedia. When that happens, I feel it takes on the connotations of an insult. :) I do think you for your advice and I have been phrasing my edits in the way you suggested and will continue to do so. :) Thanks again! Leumi

From Talk:Palestinian refugee:

Thankyou Angela, I appreciate your unprotecting of the page, and I would also like to apologize for the initially hostile tone of my words upon finding it protected. I had not as of yet experienced it, as I am new, and overreacted slightly. I look forward to debating on this topic and as you said, coming to a resolution instead of frequent reverts, which are quite pointless.

It is my opinion that we can come to a compromise here, perhaps by having someone write another perspective in another paragraph. For the moment, I am adding these, and will also add that this page is disputed, and propose we debate the issue here to come to a final resolution.

Well PML, first I'd like to thank you for your civil tone, as I would think this issue is very important and emotional for you, given your personal connection to refugee matters. I know that many people here, including at times myself, have let themself lose the civil attitude that helps debate when dealing with issues of personal importance to them, and I think it's really very commendable that you can speak on this while still remaining polite.

From: Talk:The Holocaust Industry:

I feel that my edits have been, on the whole, consistent with the nature of neutrality. I have left in many cases the opposing view to be written by others who sympathize with it more in order so that they may have the right to express their views, but I don't feel that my language has been un-encyclopedic or non-neutral. However, I do thank you for your advice, and welcome you to follow any edits I make and contribute to them however you wish, as I doubt any of us will get it right the first time around, without help from our fellow Wikipedians. Also, I do take slight offense at the comment "my interest at this point is keeping Leumi from making it any worse". Even if you disagree with my edits, I think it unfair to single me out in the debate on the article. Even should I look at the matter from the eyes of someone who disagrees with my writing, I would hardly think I represent the only or even the most egregious example of non-neutral and un-encyclopedic writing. Having said that, I look forward to working with you on future articles and have no problem whatsoever with you monitering my edits. Thankyou. Leumi 21:07, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I have entered into debate, repeatedly, and just because you refuse to recognize the validity of my remarks does not mean that I have not addressed them. I have made absolutely every effort to compromise, be accomodating and considerate, and now I even state that I will not press the issue further and concede the point on this issue and yet you persist in being needlessly critical, rude, and all in all lacking in the least semblances of tact and respect for concept format of debate and other people's perspectives. I have been civil and reasonable in every respect and you have answered this with attacks, insults and hostility at every turn, even when I am no longer contesting the issue.Leumi 00:32, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Although his bias can occasionaly be obvious:

Also, I removed the "son of holocaust survivors" because, while I think that should be there, I don't think it should be there without the mention that accusations of negationism and anti-semitism have been made against him. As you said Mirv both are necessary. Either both are included or none are [...]

Highly questionable linking
Leumi added the following link to the article Dershowitz-Finkelstein Affair: The article linked there is, in fact, about anti-Semitism, not Finkelstein. It mentions him once, as an "acolyte" of Noam Chomsky, on the tenth page, in one paragraph, which says nothing substantial about him or his views. I have tried to interpret this action charitably and cannot do so. This is a very simple and obvious insertion of prejudicial material. --MIRV 00:07, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * Article on Finkelstein
 * As I stated on Talk:Dershowitz-Finkelstein Affair I had meant to add that link to a different article (namely anti-semitism) and I apologize for the mistake in linking it to Dershowitz-Finkelstein Affair. Leumi 00:46, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Conclusions
I have spent countless hours, as have other users (both on these two articles as well as others), patiently trying to help Leumi understand what editorial neutrality on Wikipedia means. He responds in good faith on the Talk pages, yet even after matters appear to have been settled, he obstinantly continues trying to insert pro-Israel/anti-Palestine bias in our articles. I call on the Wikipedia community for a concerted strategy for dealing with Leumi, before he inflicts further damage on the enclopedia.

 * As I, and others, have stated before, I am not attempting by any means to insert a pro-Israel/anti-Palestine bias. I am attempting to provide information on the opposing perspective. I, and others who agree with me, too have spent many hours working on these pages and have just as much right to edit them as you do. Furthermore, your insistence that only your perspective be included is inserting a anti-Israel/pro-Palestine bias into these articles. Why can't you allow perspectives other than yours to be represented? An encyclopedia can't support one point of view, it has to describe all perspectives, or else it fails in it's mission of neutrality. Leumi 00:46, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * -- Viajero 14:57, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)

''See also my message to Leumi on his talk page: User talk:Leumi

title: User:Viajero/Leumi


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Zitting cisticola

The zitting cisticola or streaked fantail warbler (Cisticola juncidis) is a widely distributed Old World warbler whose breeding range includes southern Europe, Africa (outside the deserts and rainforest), and southern Asia down to northern Australia. A small bird found mainly in grasslands, it is best identified by its rufous rump; in addition it lacks any gold on the collar and the brownish tail is tipped with white. During the breeding season males have a zigzagging flight display accompanied by regular "zitting" calls that have been likened to repeated snips of a scissor. They build their pouch nest suspended within a clump of grass.

Taxonomy and systematics
The zitting cisticola was described by the naturalist Constantine Samuel Rafinesque in 1810 and given the binomial name Sylvia juncidis. The type locality is Campofelice di Roccella in Sicily. The current genus name Cisticola is from Ancient Greek kisthos, "rock-rose", and Latin colere, "to dwell". The specific juncidis is also from Latin and is a diminutive of iuncus, "reed".

Across their wide distribution range, several variations in populations have been noted and as many as 18 subspecies are recognized. They differ slightly in calls, plumage and size and some have been considered full species in some taxonomic treatments. The nominate form is found in southern France, Greece, Turkey, Sicily, Corsica and Egypt while western Portugal and Spain have cisticola. The population in Palestine, Syria, Iraq and Iran is neuroticus while the northern and eastern African population is uropygialis and perennius (further south). Gabon, Angola, and southern Africa are home to terrestris. The population in the Western Ghats of India, salimalii, does not show seasonal tail length variation as in cursitans of the plains of India and dry-zone of Sri Lanka, which has a longer tail in the non-breeding season. Population malaya is found in southern Southeast Asia, tinnabulans further north in southern China while brunniceps is found in Korea and Japan. Other populations include nigrostriatus (Philippines), constans (Sulawesi), fuscicapilla (east Java), leanyeri (northern Australia), normani (northwest Queensland) and laveryi (northeast Australia).

This genus is sometimes split off with various other southern warbler genera and given family status as the Cisticolidae. This species was previously known as the fan-tailed warbler, but the current name gives consistency with the many tropical cisticola species, as well as avoiding confusion with an American species also named the fan-tailed warbler.

Description
The zitting cisticola is 10 to 12 cm in length. It is brown above, heavily streaked with black markings. The underparts are whitish, and the tail is broad, white-tipped and flicked frequently, giving rise to the alternative name for the species. The adult males have less crown streaking and more back marking than the females, but there are no great differences between the sexes or the eighteen geographical races. The absence of a nuchal collar separates it from the golden-headed cisticola (Cisticola exilis). In the non-breeding season, they tend to skulk within the grass and can be hard to spot.

Habitat and distribution
This species is found mainly in grassland habitats, often near water. Most populations are resident, but some East Asian populations migrate south to warmer areas in winter. In the Himalayas, they ascend to about 1900 m during summer but are below 1300 m in the winter. This species is a rare vagrant to northern Europe, mostly as a spring overshoot. Its European range is generally expanding, although northern populations are especially susceptible to hard winters.

Behaviour and ecology
Zitting cisticolas are very small insectivorous birds, sometimes found in small groups. The breeding season is associated with the rains. Two broods a year occur in many regions. Males are generally polygynous, but some are monogamous. The male builds the initial nest structure deep in the grasses, and invites females using a special display. Females that accept the male complete the nest. The nest is made by binding living leaves into the soft fabric of felted plant-down, cobwebs, and grass. The zitting cisticola's nest is a cup shape with a canopy of tied-together leaves or grasses overhead for camouflage; 3–6 eggs are laid. The female incubates the eggs, which hatch after about 10 days. More than one brood may be raised. Females change their mates frequently and rarely stay within the same territory, while males are less mobile, maintaining non-overlapping song-territories which shift from day to day. Females can sometimes breed in their first year.

title: Zitting cisticola


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Ballinger, Buckinghamshire

Ballinger is a hamlet and common in the parish of Great Missenden (where at the 2011 Census the population was included), in Buckinghamshire, England. It is situated in the nearby Chiltern Hills, close to the border with the parish of Chesham.

Ballinger has a small church which is a former Mission Hall, down Blackthorne Lane. Originally it held Methodist services but now holds a monthly Anglican service the first Sunday of each month, as part of the Parish of Great Missenden.

title: Ballinger, Buckinghamshire


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Talk:Gurk

The rationale behind deleting the Slovenian names of places in Austria is:
 * Putting an alternative name after every name in the article is cluttering.
 * Without an explanation why, it is also confusing.
 * Putting an explanation into every article on Carinthia and other bilingual areas would be more cluttering.

IMO, the sensible policy for names in multilingual areas seems to be:

 * 1) Use the English name, if one is in general use.
 * 2) If multilinguality is discussed, or if otherwise appropriate (i.e. listing of cities in an area), use all appropriate forms.
 * 3) Otherwise, use only the local name in the main official language and put the alternative forms into the first sentence of the articles on individual topics.

Zocky 15:11, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)

title: Talk:Gurk