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Joe Krutulis...new user as of December 8, 2003

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Excellent! I came to read about the Stockton and Darlington Railway and found myself making minor grammatical corrections. I figured it was time to set up an ID.

On first glance, Wikipedia would benefit from more completely documenting sources. The bibliographic references are critical to the usefulness of any good encylopedia.

Just For Fun
I live in the Northeast corner of Warren County, Indiana, about 4.5 miles Southwest of Otterbein, Indiana.

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Anti–Corn Law League

The Anti–Corn Law League was a successful political movement in Great Britain aimed at the abolition of the unpopular Corn Laws, which protected landowners’ interests by levying taxes on imported wheat, thus raising the price of bread at a time when factory-owners were trying to cut wages. The League was a middle-class nationwide organisation that held many well-attended rallies on the premise that a crusade was needed to convince parliament to repeal the corn laws. Its long-term goals included the removal of feudal privileges, which it denounced as impeding progress, lowering economic well-being, and restricting freedom. The League played little role in the final act in 1846, when Sir Robert Peel led the successful battle for repeal. However, its experience provided a model that was widely adopted in Britain and other democratic nations to demonstrate the organisation of a political pressure group with the popular base.

Corn Laws
The Corn Laws were taxes on imported grain introduced in 1815. The laws indeed did raise food prices and became the focus of opposition from urban groups who had less political power than rural Britain. The corn laws initially prohibited foreign corn completely from being imported at below 80s a quarter, a process replaced by a sliding scale in 1828. Such import duties still made it expensive for anyone to import grain from other countries, even when food supplies were short. The League was responsible for turning public and elite opinion against the laws. It was a large, nationwide middle-class moral crusade with a utopian vision. Its leading advocate Richard Cobden, according to historian Asa Briggs, promised that repeal would settle four great problems simultaneously:
 * First, it would guarantee the prosperity of the manufacturer by affording him outlets for his products.
 * Second, it would relieve the 'condition of England question' by cheapening the price of food and ensuring more regular employment.
 * Third, it would make English agriculture more efficient by stimulating demand for its products in urban and industrial areas.
 * Fourth, it would introduce through mutually advantageous international trade a new era of international fellowship and peace. The only barrier to these four beneficent solutions was the ignorant self-interest of the landlords, the 'bread-taxing oligarchy, unprincipled, unfeeling, rapacious and plundering.'

The League
The first Anti–Corn Law Association was set up in London in 1836; but it was not until 1838 that the nationwide League, combining all such local associations, was founded, with Richard Cobden and John Bright among its leaders. Cobden was the chief strategist; Bright was its great orator. A representative activist was Thomas Perronet Thompson, who specialized in the grass-roots mobilisation of opinion through pamphlets, newspaper articles, correspondence, speeches, and endless local planning meetings. The League was based in Manchester and had support from numerous industrialists, especially in the textile industry.

The League borrowed many of the tactics first developed by British abolitionists, while also attempting to replicate its mantle of moral reform. Among these were the use of emotionally charged meetings and closely argued tracts: nine million were distributed by a staff of 800 in 1843 alone. The League also used its financial strength and campaign resources to defeat protectionists at by-elections by enfranchising League supporters through giving them a 40-shilling freehold: the strategy certainly alarmed the Tories. One of the most nationally visible efforts came in the 1843 election in Salisbury. Its candidate was defeated, and it was unable to convince voters regarding free trade. The political parties in the 1830s targeted bigger cities for more support on 'free trade'. However, the League did learn lessons that helped to transform its political tactics. It learned to concentrate on elections where there was a good expectation of victory.

Nevertheless, the League had a restricted capability for contesting electoral seats, and its role in the final act of 1846 was largely that of creating a favourable climate of opinion. 1845 saw Lord John Russell, the Whig leader, declare for complete repeal of the corn duty as the only way to satisfy the League; while the Tory leader, Sir Robert Peel, had also been privately won over by Cobden's reasoning to the league's way of thinking. When the crunch came, Peel put through a (staggered) repeal through Parliament without a general election, to the applause of Cobden and Bright.

The League then prepared to dissolve itself. The Tory victory of 1852 saw preparations to revive the League, however, in order to keep a watching brief on Protectionist forces; and it was only after Disraeli’s 1852 budget that Cobden felt able to write to George Wilson: “The Budget has finally closed the controversy with Protection... The League may be dissolved when you like”. Many of its members thereafter continued their political activism in the Liberal Party, with the goal of establishing a fully free-trade economy.

W.H. Chaloner argues that the repeal in 1846 marked a major turning point, making free trade the national policy into the 20th century, and demonstrating the power of "Manchester-school" industrial interests over protectionist agricultural interests. He says repeal stabilized wheat prices in the 1850s and 1860s; however other technical developments caused the fall of wheat prices from 1870 to 1894.

Model for other lobbying organisations
The League marked the emergence of the first powerful national lobbying group into politics, one with a centralized office, consistency of purpose, rich funding, very strong local and national organization, and single-minded dedicated leaders. It elected men to Parliament. Many of its procedures were innovative, while others were borrowed from the anti-slavery movement. It became the model for later reform movements.

The model of the League led to the formation of the Lancashire Public School Association to campaign for free, locally financed and controlled secular education in Lancashire. It later became the National Public-School Association. It had little success because national secular education was a divisive issue even among the radical groups. However, it did help convert the Liberal Party from its laissez-faire philosophy to that of a more interventionist character.

Historian A. C. Howe argues:
 * Although historians remain divided on the impact of the league on Peel's decision to abandon the corn laws it was undoubtedly, in appearance, the most successful of nineteenth-century single-issue pressure groups, in its ability to generate enthusiasm, support, and unparalleled financial backing. Although its potential was not realized, it had shown the capacity for an extra-parliamentary middle-class organization to reshape politics so as to reflect the anti-aristocratic objectives of a determined band of entrepreneurial politicians.

 * It remained the model for many diverse pressure groups, for example, the United Kingdom Alliance, the National Educational League, the Navy League, the Tenant League in Ireland, and the National Society in Piedmont, as well as those specifically related to free trade, including the Edwardian Tariff Reform League and Free Trade Union, and in the 1950s S. W. Alexander's Anti-Dear Food League. It also inspired imitators in France, Germany, the Low Countries, Spain, and the United States. The league had only temporarily reshaped the landscape of parliamentary politics but it had helped create a vibrant popular attachment to free trade within British political culture that would last well into the twentieth century.

Critics

 * Thomas Carlyle declined invitations to lend support for the league, despite his opposition to the Corn Laws. He wrote to Thomas Ballantyne in January 1840: "the abrogation of the Corn-Laws seems to be the cause of the Middle Classes and manufacturing Capitalists still more than it is that of the Lower Classes,—whose wretched social situation, however it might be alleviated for a few years, could in no wise, as I think, be cured thereby, nor even, without other provisoes, be put more decisively on the way towards cure".
 * R. S. Surtees satirized the league in his 1845 novel, Hillingdon Hall. His cockney protagonist refers to “the ‘umbuggery of its ways...strong symptoms of utilitarian self-interest”; while a roguish actor is shown being couched as a paid lecturer for the League: “you have nothing to do but repeat the same old story over and over again…. Whatever is wrong, lay it to the corn tax.  If a man can’t pay his Christmas bills, attribute it to the bread tax”.

Scholarly studies

 * Ausubel, Herman. John Bright: Victorian Reformer (1966), a standard scholarly biography; online
 * Briggs, Asa. The Making of Modern England 1783–1867: The Age of Improvement (1959) pp. 312–325, short interpretive history; online
 * Briggs, Asa. "Cobden and Bright" History Today (Aug 1957) 7#8 pp. 496–503.
 * Chaloner, W. H. "The Anti-Corn Law League," History Today (1968) 18#3 pp. 196–204
 * Edsall, Nicholas C. Richard Cobden, independent radical (Harvard University Press, 1986)
 * Evans, Eric J. "The politics of pressure: II The Anti-Corn-Law League." in The Forging of the Modern State (Routledge, 2014). 371–380.
 * Gilbert, R. A. "John Bright's contribution to the Anti‐Corn Law League." Western Speech (1970) 34#1 pp. 16–20.
 * Halévy, Elie. Victorian years, 1841–1895 (Vol. 4) (Barnes & Noble, 1961) pp. 3–150; narrative history
 * Hinde, Wendy. Richard Cobden: A Victorian Outsider (Yale University Press, 1987.)
 * Howe, Anthony. Free Trade and Liberal England. 1846–1946 (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1997).
 * Lawson-Tancred, Mary. "The Anti-League and the Corn Law Crisis of 1846". Historical Journal (1960) 3#2 pp. 162–183.
 * McCord, Norman: The Anti-Corn Law League 1838–1846. (Allen & Unwin, 1958)
 * Miller, Henry. "The Anti-Corn Law Campaign." in Campaigning for Change (2017): 55–66 online.
 * Mosse, George L. "The Anti-League: 1844–1846." Economic History Review (1947) 17#2 pp. 134–142. in JSTOR; the organized opposition to the League
 * Pickering, Paul A and Alex Tyrrell. The people's bread, a history of the Anti-Corn Law League.  (Leicester University Press, 2000, ISBN 0-7185-0218-3)
 * Prentice, Archibald. History of the Anti-Corn Law League (Routledge, 2013)
 * Smith, George Barnett. The Life and Speeches of the Right Honourable John Bright, MP (1881) online
 * Spall, Richard Francis Spall Jr. "Free Trade, Foreign Relations, and the Anti-Corn-Law League," International History Review 10#3 (1988), pp. 405–432 online
 * Trentmann, Frank. Free Trade Nation. Commerce, Consumption, and Civil Society in Modern Britain (Oxford University Press, 2008).
 * Trentmann, Frank. Free Trade Nation. Commerce, Consumption, and Civil Society in Modern Britain (Oxford University Press, 2008).

Historiography

 * Loades, David Michael, ed. Reader's guide to British history (Fitzroy Dearborn Publishers, 2003) vol 1. pp. 56–57, 185–186, 283–284

Contemporary publications

 * Ashworth, Henry: Recollections of Richard Cobden and the Anti-Corn Law League, 2 editions, London 1876 and 1881
 * Bright, John: Speeches of John Bright, M.P., on the American Question. With an introduction by Frank Moore. [With a portrait.]. Boston: Little, Brown & Co., 1865.
 * Leech, H. J. (ed.): The public letters of the Right Hon. John Bright. London: Low, Marston & Co., 1895. Reprint New York: Kraus Reprint, 1969.
 * Prentice, Archibald: History of the Anti-Corn Law League. London: Cash. 1853, 2 vol.; 2. ed. with a new introduction. by W. H. Chaloner. (London: Cass. 1968. and New York: Kelley. ISBN 0-7146-1352-5)
 * Rogers, Thorold (ed.): Speeches on Questions of Public Policy, by John Bright, M.P.. 1868.
 * Rogers, Thorold (ed.): Public Addresses. 1879.
 * Archibald Philipp Primrose (Earl of Rosebery): Lord Rosebery's Speech on the Anti-Corn Law League and Free Trade, Manchester 1897. London: Cobden Club, 1898.
 * Smith, George Barnett: The Life and Speeches of the Right Hon. John Bright, M.P., 2 vols., 1881.
 * Vince, Charles: John Bright (1898); Speeches on Parliamentary Reform by John Bright, M.P., revised by Himself (1866).

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Hardline (subculture)

Hardline is a subculture that has its roots in the vegan straight edge hardcore punk scene. It is commonly seen as a more extreme version of straight edge, with influences from deep ecology philosophy. From its outset, hardline adherents put out statements and literature pushing a biocentric view of the world, which advocated for veganism, animal rights, pro-life, anti-homosexuality, and a much more militant version of the straight edge philosophy, which advocates for a no alcohol, no drugs, no tobacco lifestyle. The hardline worldview has been accused by critics as ecoauthoritarian. Hardline co-founder Sean Muttaqi adamantly rejected racism and fascism.

A handful of hardline bands existed, the most well known of which were Vegan Reich and Raid. Earth Crisis was loosely aligned with the subculture, but were not necessarily classified as a hardline band.

The heyday of hardline was in the early to mid-1990s when hardline chapters existed in a number of cities across the United States as well in the United Kingdom and Germany. However, by end of the 1990s, the subculture had mostly faded out of existence.

Beliefs
The Hardline philosophy forbids its adherents from smoking or chewing any form of tobacco, drinking alcoholic beverages, and using illicit drugs or employing medicine. Hardliners (as they are called) are expected to follow a strict dietary regimen based on the above-mentioned pillars of respect for innocent life and the "natural order". Hardliners eat only foods that are vegan and relatively natural (e.g. brown rice over white, evaporated cane juice over granulated sugar, organic produce over conventional, natural oils over hydrogenated oils). Human rights issues are also factored into the movement's "food politics", and followers are urged to shun third-world cash crops such as coffee, chocolate, sugar, and most tropical fruits. Hardliners include caffeine in their stance on mind-altering drugs so the first two items are generally abstained from, but consumption of the last two is often given more leeway.

The sexual politics of the Hardline movement are very conservative. Sex is not allowed except for the reason of procreation; thus homosexuality is seen as anathema. Pornography and masturbation are abjured. The use of birth control is avoided, and the practice of abortion is militantly opposed. Although the Hardliner stance on sexual activity is that its natural purpose is purely procreative, many hardliners justify recreational sex within the context of committed relationships as potentially procreative by opting not to use fertility control.

Hardline has always been highly syncretic (over time absorbing influences from Islam and a host of other schools of thought) and initially claimed a Taoist foundation for their sexual morals. This appeal to the orientation of the punk and hardcore scenes met with little success, and the topics of abortion and homosexuality have always been sources of tension between hardliners and their subcultural cousins.

History
The hardline subculture grew out of the hardcore punk scene in the 1990s. In the early 1990s, Earth Crisis were one of the first bands to infuse hardcore punk music with strict vegan messaging, and their popularity influenced other bands to follow suit. Hardline began to attract followers shortly after the 1990 release of Vegan Reich's Hardline EP; shortly thereafter Vegan Reich, and in particular band member Sean Muttaqi, took active leadership in the emerging "Hardline" subculture. Other bands soon formed; the most notable of them being Raid from Tennessee. Another source credited as influencing the creation of Hardline was the militant animal rights group Animal Liberation Front, in operation since 1980.

Muttaqi has said that he was first exposed to the idea of fusing veganism and abstinence from drugs by an English punk named Rat of the band Statement. Rat had allegedly coined the term "vegan straight edge" by the mid-1980s. However, Rat was doing little to spread his ideology while Muttaqi was transforming and propagating it. Vegan Reich was for many in the hardcore scene their first exposure to ideas about militant animal liberation, and the controversy they aroused drew considerable attention to their positions. Those in the subculture who gravitated toward animal-related causes but disagreed with some of hardline's finer points found themselves becoming vegan straightedge. Vegan straightedge band Earth Crisis initially wanted Muttaqi to release their debut EP, All Out War on his record label, Uprising Records.

Sean Muttaqi, as editor of the zine Vanguard (hardline's official press organ), was able to exert ideological influence on the movement, and caused the center of its activities to become shifted to Tennessee. Many in the Memphis hardcore scene adopted Hardline stances and started editing magazines, organizing protests, engaging in direct action against industries that exploited animals, and otherwise acting on their new beliefs. Some of the most notable achievements of Memphis Hardline were organizing the movement's first annual gathering and founding the long-standing Coalition to Abolish the Fur Trade (CAFT). Hardliners were instrumental in CAFT, the Animal Defense League, and Vegans For Life. Some were also involved in Earth First!, anti-imperialist organizations, and other radical causes and groups.

As hardline came into its own, many hardliners decided that their philosophy was so beyond the narrow scene politics of straightedge that the two were entirely different things. The "X" was removed from the crossed rifles logo, straightedge was harshly criticized, and hardliners were encouraged to leave the hardcore scene. Much of this sprang from the momentum being gained by the more activist-oriented elements within the subculture. Eventually hardliners came to consider their network wholly divorced from the hardcore scene. However, the nature of information dissemination in a mostly pre-Internet media environment made recruiting from outside the hardcore subculture next to impossible. Although hardline served to involve people heavily in political activity, the overwhelming bulk of new members were straight-edgers who would with time come to identify primarily as activists instead of hardcore kids. Two of the more famous people associated with Hardline include Animal Liberation Front activist and former prisoner Walter Bond and Pete Wentz of Fall Out Boy

In the late 1990s some Hardliners from Massachusetts set out to establish an intentional community in Hawaii. The effort quickly failed due to personality conflicts (especially the ongoing debate among group members as to whether or not cooked food was natural enough) and a distinct lack of required agricultural and engineering skills. This self-defeating arc reflects tensions in similarly idealistic communes of the 1960s and 1970s during the hippie movement and the back-to-the-land movement.

In 1999, a number of punk groups in Salt Lake City, Utah, were designated as criminal gangs by law enforcement. In an internal report, the Salt Lake City Police Department noted three punk factions in the city; Straight Edge, Vegan Straight Edge, and Hardline, and suggested they were "pro-violence, and ... have been responsible for a high number of assaults, stabbings, and beatings in the Salt Lake metro area". That same year CBS News in Utah ran a report about a number of Salt Lake City Hardliners who had firebombed fast food outlets and clothing stores selling leather items, attributing 30 attacks to Hardliners.

As Hardline began to falter at the end of the 1990s, Muttaqi attempted to stabilise it by organising a "Hardline Central Committee" which would act as an official leadership body for Hardliners. However, this body was not able to stop the breaking a part of Hardline. In 1999, Muttaqi and former Hardliner Micah Collins (aka Adam Naziri) formed an Islamic-oriented group similar to Hardline named Ahl-i Allah (People of God) and, a few years later, this morphed into the nearly identical Taliyah al-Mahdi (Vanguard of the Messiah). Both groups existed primarily online, remained small, and had disappeared by 2006 (until Naziri resurrected the Taliyah website in 2020).

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User:Kevehs

Articles I created:

Well, there was one but it got deleted. Boo hoo, and I so held the torch for anarcho-fascism.

So it was kinda funny to have my only article be a parody that got VfDed, but now I went and ruined it by making Anarchism without adjectives. Of course, I only did that by copying a bunch of other peoples hard work.

People I used to think I didn't like before I found out who they were but now understand that I do like but might not have liked if they turned out to be someone else:

Whoever was that wrote lovely on my homepage. They did so anonymously, of course, so I have no way of knowing who it is. As such, I can't tell if they are an old friend who was happy to see me here, or an old enemy trying to be cute. It burns at me I tell you, day after day I see this stupid single word and I wonder, "Who? Who could it be?!?!" But there is no answer, not now, not ever, so I sink ever more deeply into despair. I cry out, and no one hears me. Well, nevermind, the neighbors hear me and tell me to shut up, but you get the point.

''' The Truth Revealed! '''

Hey, Kevin. Turns out I edited your user page a long time ago while messing with Wikipedia for the first time. I wasn't sure, though, so I checked the IP. Yep, it was me!--AaronS 23:47, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Awwww, and here I thought I was being sorta funny and clever with my outcry, only to have the grand mystery ruined. *sob*  Thanks for nothing Aaron!  (well, other than being an all-around nice guy and having good insights and being fun to talk to and all that crap)

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User talk:JoeK

Hello Joe, welcome to Wikipedia. Here are some useful links in case you haven't already found them:

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User:Jerrod Day

a sort of regular character, no more unusual than the rest of us.

I can independently affirm, as a long time and active member, that SDF, sdf.org, sdf.lonestar.org, the Super Dimension Fortress since 1987, continues to thrive as an active online community of users, this 29th day of December 2009.

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Pinto

Pinto is a Portuguese, Spanish, Jewish (Sephardic), and Italian surname. It is a high-frequency surname in all Portuguese-speaking countries and is also widely present in Spanish-speaking countries, Italy, India (especially in Mangalore, Karnataka), France and Israel. Historically, it has been common among political elites in Portuguese- and Spanish-speaking countries, as numerous presidents, prime ministers, and heads of state have shared the surname.

In many languages, Pinto means "coloured" or "painted" as it derives from the Late Latin pinctus and Classical Latin pictus, and in some cases, at least from the same word in the sense "lively or restless person". It is linguistically related to the name of Columbus' ship  La Pinta, meaning "The Painted One", "The Look", or "The Spotted One". Also related, though greatly diverging in meaning, is the unit of measurement pint, which comes from the Old French word pinte and perhaps ultimately from Vulgar Latin pincta meaning "painted", for marks painted on the side of a container to show capacity.

Politicians

 * Alcino Pinto (1950s–2020), Sao Toméano politiciano
 * Aníbal Pinto (1825–1884), President of Chile from 1876 to 1881
 * António Pinto Soares (1780–1865), Head of State of Costa Rica in 1842
 * Carlos Mota Pinto (1936–1985), Portuguese politician
 * Cyril Pinto Jayatilake Seneviratne (1918–1984), Sri Lankan Sinhala military officer and politician
 * Elsa Teixeira Pinto, São Toméan politician
 * Francisco Antonio Pinto (1785–1858), President of Chile from 1827 to 1829
 * Francisco Pinto Balsemão (born 1937), Prime Minister of Portugal from 1981 to 1983
 * Germán Serrano Pinto (1940–2016), Vice President of Costa Rica from 1990 to 1994
 * Ignacio Pinto (1723-1797), head of the Pinto family that revolted against the Portuguese colonialists in Portuguese India
 * João Franco (1855–1929), Prime Minister of Portugal from 1906 to 1908
 * John Pinto (1924–2019), Democratic member of the New Mexico Senate
 * Jorge Pinto (born 1987), Portuguese politician
 * Jorge Nuno Pinto da Costa (born 1937), President of Portuguese sports club F.C. Porto since 1982
 * José Antonio Pinto Castro (1817–1887), Costa Rican Vice President, politician, and judge
 * José Concepción Pinto Castro (1829–1898), Costa Rican judge and politician
 * José de Magalhães Pinto (1909–1996), Brazilian governor who successfully led a military coup d'etat of the Brazilian government in 1964
 * José María Orellana Pinto (1872–1926), President of Guatemala from 1921 to 1926
 * José Sócrates Carvalho Pinto de Sousa (born 1957), Prime Minister of Portugal from 2005 to 2011
 * Lakshman Pinto Jayatilaka Senewiratne (born 1957), Sri Lankan Sinhala Member of Parliament
 * Manuel Guillermo Pinto (1783–1853), Argentinian general
 * Manuel Pinto da Costa (born 1937), economist and President of São Tomé and Príncipe from 1975 to 1991 and 2011 to 2016
 * Manuel Pinto da Fonseca (1681–1773), Portuguese nobleman and Grandmaster of the Order of Saint John and sovereign over Malta
 * Mário Pinto de Andrade (1928–1990), Angolan politician and poet
 * Manuel Pinto (Scouting) (1938–2008), Ugandan parliamentarian and Chief Scout
 * Pio Gama Pinto (1927–1965), Kenyan politician
 * Sérgio Sousa Pinto (born 1972), Portuguese politician and Member of the European Parliament
 * Shirly Pinto (born 1989), Israeli deaf activist and politician

Sports players

 * Antoine Pinto, (born 1991), French Muay Thai kickboxer
 * António Pinto (athlete) (born 1966), Portuguese long-distance runner
 * Dirceu José Pinto (1980–2020), Brazilian Paralympic boccia player
 * João Domingos Pinto (born 1961), Portuguese footballer and manager of FC Porto
 * João Vieira Pinto (born 1971), Portuguese footballer
 * José Manuel Pinto (born 1975), Spanish footballer
 * Keivi Pinto (born 1979), Venezuelan judoka
 * Raffaele Pinto (1945–2020), Italian racing driver
 * René Pinto (baseball) (born 1996), Venezuelan baseball player
 * Renyel Pinto (born 1982), baseball pitcher
 * Ricardo Pinto (baseball) (born 1994), Venezuelan baseball player
 * Ricardo Pinto (footballer, born 1965), Brazilian footballer
 * Ricardo Pinto (footballer, born 1993), Portuguese footballer
 * Ricardo Sá Pinto (born 1972), former Portuguese international footballer and present coach
 * Roberto Pinto (Brazilian footballer), Roberto da Rosa Pinto (1937–1994), Brazilian footballer
 * Shane Pinto, (born 2000), American ice hockey player

Religious leaders

 * Chaim Pinto (1748–1845), leading rabbi in Morocco
 * Evarist Pinto (born 1933), Pakistani Catholic priest, 4th Archbishop of Karachi, Pakistan
 * Isaac de Pinto (1717–1787), Jewish philosophe and scholar who was a key investor in the Dutch East India Company
 * Josiah ben Joseph Pinto (1565–1648), Syrian rabbi and author
 * Yoshiyahu Yosef Pinto (born 1973), Israeli Jewish spiritual leader and Kabbalist
 * Zinia Pinto (1929-2013), Pakistani Catholic nun and teacher

Explorers

 * Alexandre de Serpa Pinto (aka Serpa Pinto; 1846–1900), Portuguese explorer of southern Africa and colonial administrator
 * Fernão Mendes Pinto (c. 1509–1583), Portuguese explorer and writer

Writers

 * Ricardo Pinto (novelist) (born 1961), UK-based fantasy writer
 * Sara Pinto Coelho (1913–1990), Portuguese writer of fiction and plays
 * Silvia Corzo (born 1973), Colombian lawyer, journalist and newscaster
 * Vivian de Sola Pinto (1895–1969), British poet, literary critic and historian

Academics

 * Aníbal Pinto Santa Cruz (1919–1996), Chilean economist
 * Diana Pinto (historian) (born 1949), intellectual historian on Jewish identity
 * Jorge Pinto Rodríguez (born 1944), Chilean historian

Other

 * Freida Pinto (born 1984), Indian model and actress
 * Dan Pinto (born 1960), American composer, keyboardist and drummer-percussionist
 * Filipe Pinto (born 1988), Portuguese singer and winner of 2009/2010 Ídolos
 * George Pinto (composer) (1785–1806), English composer and keyboard virtuoso
 * Joaquim Pinto (born 1957), Portuguese film director
 * Malucha Pinto (born 1955), Chilean actress and dramatist
 * Maria Pinto (fashion designer) (born 1957), American fashion designer
 * Oreste Pinto (1889-1961) Dutch counterintelligence officer
 * Paulo Xisto Pinto Jr. (born 1969), Brazilian bassist of the heavy metal band Sepultura
 * Sam Pinto (born 1989), Filipina model and actress
 * Thomas Pinto (1728–1773), British violinist

People with the given name or nickname

 * Pinto Colvig (1892–1967), United States actor, cartoonist, and circus performer
 * Pinto Itamaraty (born 1960), Brazilian politician
 * Pinto Machado (1926–2009), Portuguese footballer

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Electric Eels (band)

The Electric Eels (written with lowercase e's in honor of E. E. Cummings) were an American rock band active between 1972 and 1975, formed by John D Morton in Cleveland, Ohio.

The electric eels played only five public shows, but during their brief existence they earned a reputation locally for being angry, confrontational and violent. They were notorious for starting fights with audiences which drew police attention; members were also abusive to each other off-stage. Their style was a discordant, noisy amalgam of hard garage rock and free jazz. Stiv Bators, the singer of The Dead Boys was particularly influenced by the vocal styling and stage presence of Dave "E" McManus. While the eels didn't play many shows, they rehearsed often, eventually making many recordings which were released many years after their demise.

Background
Along with Morton (guitar), other original members were Dave "E" McManus (vocals, clarinet) and Brian McMahon (guitar; not to be confused with Slint member), all ex-pupils of Lakewood High School, Lakewood, Ohio in 1972. The three had been to see a Captain Beefheart gig and been unimpressed enough by the support band (Youngstown's Left End) to decide that they could do better themselves. Unlike other rock groups of the era, Morton had also been influenced by free jazz: "I remember listening to Ornette Coleman, John Cale, Sun Ra and Albert Ayler. That's what the eels was supposed to be, but we didn't really understand it". This had also led to early meetings with Peter Laughner of Rocket from the Tombs at the local record store.

The Electric Eels featured unconventional instrumentation initially, with no drummer nor anyone who was technically competent on any musical instruments. Their rare performances did feature at various times, sheet metal hit with sledgehammers, anvils, a power lawnmower and fist fights. This led to the description of their act as "art terrorism". Much of 1973 and 1974 was spent, mostly unsuccessfully, trying to get gigs in bars that normally booked Top 40 covers bands in Cleveland and then Columbus, where the band moved for some months. Morton has claimed that this move was caused by death threats he had received in Cleveland for sleeping with "one too many married women". When gigs did happen, promoters were known to pull them half way through. On their debut show the band were arrested by police for being drunk and disorderly. Morton resisted arrest and gained a broken hand, which caused him to play their next gig, three weeks later with an improvised splint made from a slide rule and a wrench.

Morton, in particular, had an inclination for violence that often led to physical fights and temporary splits in the band, or he and Dave E would go to a working class bar and provoke a fight by dancing together as if a homosexual couple.

In late 1973 McMahon left the band, replaced by Paul Marotta, who was a competent musician on both guitar and keyboards and was simultaneously a member of Mirrors. Drummers came and left during the history of the band, but bass guitar was always absent. By early 1975, Marotta had quit and McMahon had returned. Marotta would record the band throughout that year and play during some August recording sessions that also included a bass.

The deliberate provocation and controversy of the band also saw them use the Nazi imagery of the swastika, Morton later claiming that this was influenced by William Burroughs and Lenny Bruce: "That is something we wanted, to have that provocation, we wanted to confront those issues". In addition, excerpts taken from racist American Nazi Party literature were used as an inspiration sheet for extemporaneous lyrics in the song "Spinach Blasters" (AKA "Spin Age Blasters"). Marotta: "It was shock tactics, it was confrontational art, it was meant to be satire". This presaged the use of similar shock tactics and images by other punks in New York City and London, such as Johnny Thunders, Sid Vicious and Siouxsie Sioux.

Eventually the Electric Eels got a gig at a Cleveland venue which would support original music, The Viking Saloon's "Special Extermination Night" 22 December 1974 with Rocket from the Tombs and Mirrors. This gig marked the public start of a new and unique Cleveland punk rock scene. However the repeat event in January 1975 would see the eels banned from the last bar that would have them, due to their use on stage of a gas-powered lawnmower. This led to the departure from the band of Marotta.

After Marotta left the band, Brian McMahon rejoined and they also recruited drummer Nick Knox, later to find fame with The Cramps. They made their peace with Marotta, who went on to record some of their rehearsals in early 1975. It is these sessions which make up most of the eels material released since their demise, including the 1978 Rough Trade single "Agitated" b/w "Cyclotron", which was their only released recording for many years. The song "Cyclotron" has a lyrical reference to Elton John whose music and style often crossed over into the glam rock scene.

However, the Knox line-up of the band was short-lived, performing only one gig – the band's fifth, overall – at Case Western Reserve University in 1975 (sources differ as to whether this was in May or September of that year), before finally splitting there and then due to a Morton-inspired fist fight.

Later that year the original three eels members, Marotta and two members of Mirrors formed a new band, The Men from UNCLE, but this lasted only two rehearsals before splitting again. Marotta went on to form The Styrenes, of which Morton was also an occasional member.

Discography

 * Studio albums

 * Having a Philosophical Investigation with The Electric Eels (1989; archival)
 * God Says Fuck You (1991; archival)
 * The Beast 999 Presents The Electric Eels in Their Organic Majesty's Request (1991; archival)
 * The Eyeball of Hell (2001; archival)

 * Singles

 * "Agitated"/"Cyclotron" (1978)
 * "Spin Age Blasters"/"Bunnies" (1981)
 * "Jaguar Ride" (2014)

 * Compilation albums

 * Die Electric Eels (2014)

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National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics

The National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics (NAIA) established in 1940, is a college athletics association for colleges and universities in North America. Most colleges and universities in the NAIA offer athletic scholarships to their student athletes. Around $1.3 billion in athletic scholarship financial aid is awarded to student athletes annually.

For the 2023–24 season, it had 241 member institutions, of which two are in British Columbia, one in the U.S. Virgin Islands, and the rest in the continental United States, with over 83,000 student-athletes participating. The NAIA, whose headquarters is in Kansas City, Missouri, sponsors 28 national championships. CBS Sports Network, formerly called CSTV, serves as the national media outlet for the NAIA. In 2014, ESPNU began carrying the NAIA Football National Championship.

History
In 1937, James Naismith and local leaders, including George Goldman and Emil Liston, staged the first National College Basketball Tournament at Municipal Auditorium in Kansas City, Missouri, of which Goldman was director, one year before the first National Invitation Tournament and two years before the first NCAA tournament. The goal of the tournament was to establish a forum for small colleges and universities to determine a national basketball champion. The original eight-team tournament expanded to 32 teams in 1938. On March 10, 1940, the National Association for Intercollegiate Basketball (NAIB) was formed in Kansas City, Missouri.

In 1952, the NAIB was transformed into the NAIA, and with that came the sponsorship of additional sports such as men's golf, tennis and outdoor track and field. Football in the NAIA was split into two divisions in 1970, based on enrollment (Divisions I and II); it was consolidated back into a single division in 1997.

African-American participation
The 1948 NAIB national tournament was the first intercollegiate postseason to feature a Black student-athlete, Clarence Walker of Indiana State under coach John Wooden. Wooden had withdrawn from the 1947 tournament because the NAIB would not allow Walker to play.

The association furthered its commitment to African-American athletes when, in 1953, it became the first collegiate association to invite historically black colleges and universities into its membership. In 1957, Tennessee A&I (now Tennessee State) became the first historically Black institution to win a collegiate basketball national championship. In 1959, Southern University became the first HBCU to win the NAIA Baseball championship.

Transgender participation
In 2024, NAIA instituted a ban on those transgender men who have begun transgender hormone therapy and all transgender women from competing in women’s sports, with the exception of cheerleading and dance.

Female participation
The NAIA began sponsoring intercollegiate championships for women in 1980, the second coed national athletics association to do so, offering collegiate athletics championships to women in basketball, cross country, gymnastics, indoor and outdoor track and field, softball, swimming and diving, tennis and volleyball. The National Junior College Athletic Association had established a women's division in the spring of 1975 and held the first women's national championship volleyball tournament that fall.

In 1997, Liz Heaston became the first female college athlete to play and score in a college football game when she kicked two extra points during the 1997 Linfield vs. Willamette football game.

Champions of Character
Launched in 2000 by the NAIA, the Champions of Character program promotes character and sportsmanship through athletics. The Champions of Character conducts clinics and has developed an online training course to educate athletes, coaches, and athletic administrators with the skills necessary to promote character development in the context of sport.

Eligibility Center
In 2010, the association opened the NAIA Eligibility Center, where prospective student-athletes are evaluated for academic and athletic eligibility. It delivers on the NAIA's promise of integrity by leveling the playing field, guiding student-athlete success, and ensuring fair competition.

Other firsts
Membership – The NAIA was the first association to admit colleges and universities from outside the United States. The NAIA began admitting Canadian members in 1967.

Football – The NAIA was the first association to send a football team to Europe to play. In the summer of 1976, the NAIA sent Henderson State and Texas A&I to play 5 exhibition games in West Berlin, Vienna, Nuremberg, Mannheim and Paris.

Flag football – In May 2020, the NAIA, in partnership with the National Football League (NFL), announced the addition of flag football as a varsity sport for female student-athletes. The NAIA became the first collegiate governing body to sanction the sport at the varsity level. Women's flag began during the 2021 season as an emerging sport with about 15 teams.

Name, image, and likeness reform — In October 2020, the NAIA passed legislation that allows student-athletes at its member institutions to be compensated for the use of their name, image, and likeness (NIL). According to an NAIA press release, student-athletes can now "receive compensation for promoting any commercial product, enterprise, or for any public or media appearance", and can also "reference their intercollegiate athletic participation in such promotions or appearances." The NAIA had allowed student-athletes to receive NIL compensation since 2014, but had not previously allowed them to reference their status as such. The NAIA was several years ahead of the NCAA in NIL reform; the NCAA did not adopt NIL reform until 2021, after its hand was forced by multiple states passing legislation to allow student-athletes to receive such compensation, most notably California. In December 2020, Chloe Mitchell, a volleyball player at NAIA member Aquinas College who at the time had more than 2 million followers on TikTok with a series of do-it-yourself home improvement videos, became the first college student-athlete known to have profited from an endorsement under the current rules.

Championship sports
The NAIA sponsors 16 sports in which it conducts 28 annual championships (13 for men, 13 for women, 2 co-ed). The NAIA recognizes three levels of competitions: "emerging" (15 or more institutions sponsoring as varsity and declared), "invitational" (25 or more institutions sponsoring as varsity and declared for postseason, Approval of the National Administrative Council), and "championship" (40 or more institutions sponsoring as varsity, Minimum of two Invitationals held, Approval of the National Administrative Council). The association conducts, or has conducted in the past, championship tournaments in the following sports (year established).

Basketball championships

 * Men's basketball
 * Division I (1937–present)
 * Division II (1992–2020)
 * Women's basketball
 * Division I (1981–present)
 * Division II (1992–2020)

The NAIA men's basketball championship is the longest-running collegiate national championship of any sport in the United States. The tournament was the brainchild of Dr. James Naismith, creator of the game of basketball; Emil Liston, athletic director at Baker University; and Frank Cramer, founder of Cramer Athletic Products.

The event began in 1937 with the inaugural tournament at Municipal Auditorium in Kansas City, Missouri. The 2017 men's championship marked the 80th edition of what has been tabbed College Basketball's Toughest Tournament. The tournament has awarded the Chuck Taylor Most Valuable Player award since 1939, as well as the Charles Stevenson Hustle Award ("Charlie Hustle"), which was the basis for Pete Rose's nickname, given to him by Whitey Ford. From 1992 to 2020, basketball was the only NAIA sport in which the organization's member institutions were aligned into divisions.

Effective with the 2020–21 academic year, the NAIA returned to a single division for both men's and women's basketball.

Other championship sports

 * Baseball (1957)
 * Bowling
 * Men's (2018)
 * Women's (2018)
 * Competitive Cheer (2016)
 * Competitive Dance (2016)
 * Cross Country
 * Men's (1956)
 * Women's (1980)
 * Football (1956)
 * Lacrosse
 * Women's (2016)
 * Golf
 * Men's (1952)
 * Women's (1995)
 * Soccer
 * Men's (1959)
 * Women's (1984)
 * Softball (1981)
 * Swimming and Diving
 * Men's (1957)
 * Women's (1981)

 * Tennis
 * Men's (1952)
 * Women's (1981)
 * Indoor and Outdoor Track
 * Men's Indoor (1966)
 * Men's Outdoor (1952)
 * Women's Indoor (1981)
 * Women's Outdoor (1981)
 * Volleyball
 * Women's volleyball (1980)
 * Men's volleyball (original run 1969–1980/(2018)
 * Wrestling
 * Men's (1956)
 * Women's (2021)

Invitational sports

 * Beach volleyball
 * Lacrosse
 * Men's (2016)

 * Women's Wrestling (2019)

Emerging sports

 * Women's flag football

Discontinued championships

 * Gymnastics
 * Men's (1964–1985)
 * Women's (1981–1988)
 * Ice hockey (1968–1984)
 * Water Polo

Conferences
The NAIA has 21 member conferences, including 9 that sponsor football. Member institutions that are not a part of any of these conferences play in the Continental Athletic Conference, formerly the Association of Independent Institutions.

List of conferences

 * American Midwest Conference (AMC)
 * Appalachian Athletic Conference (AAC) *
 * California Pacific Conference (Cal Pac)
 * Cascade Collegiate Conference (CCC)
 * Chicagoland Collegiate Athletic Conference (CCAC)
 * Continental Athletic Conference (CAC)
 * Crossroads League (CL)
 * Frontier Conference (Frontier) *
 * Golden State Athletic Conference (GSAC)
 * Great Plains Athletic Conference (GPAC) *
 * Gulf Coast Athletic Conference (GCAC)

 * Heart of America Athletic Conference (HAAC) *
 * Kansas Collegiate Athletic Conference (KCAC) *
 * Mid-South Conference (MSC) *
 * Mid-States Football Association (MSFA) †
 * North Star Athletic Association (NSAA) *
 * Red River Athletic Conference (RRAC)
 * River States Conference (RSC)
 * Sooner Athletic Conference (SAC) *
 * Southern States Athletic Conference (SSAC)
 * Sun Conference (TSC) *
 * Wolverine–Hoosier Athletic Conference (WHAC)

* - Denotes that the conference sponsors football.

†- Denotes a football-only conference.


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Wadada Leo Smith

Ishmael Wadada Leo Smith (born December 18, 1941) is an American trumpeter and composer, working primarily in the field of creative music. He was one of three finalists for the 2013 Pulitzer Prize for Music for Ten Freedom Summers, released on May 22, 2012.

Biography
Smith was born in Leland, Mississippi, United States. He started out playing drums, mellophone, and French horn before he settled on the trumpet. He played in various R&B groups and, by 1967, became a member of the AACM and co-founded the Creative Construction Company, a trio with Leroy Jenkins and Anthony Braxton. In 1971, Smith formed his own label, Kabell. He also formed another band, the New Dalta Ahkri, with members including Henry Threadgill, Anthony Davis and Oliver Lake.

In the 1970s, Smith studied ethnomusicology at Wesleyan University. He played again with Anthony Braxton, as well as recording with Derek Bailey's Company. In the mid-1980s, Smith became Rastafarian and began using the name Wadada. In 1993, he began teaching at Cal Arts, a position he held until 2014. In addition to trumpet and flugelhorn, Smith plays several world music instruments, including the koto, kalimba, and atenteben (Ghanaian bamboo flute). He has also taught courses in instrument making. His compositions often use a graphic notation system he calls "Ankhrasmation", which he developed in 1970.

In 1998, Smith and guitarist Henry Kaiser released Yo, Miles!, a tribute to Miles Davis's then-lesser-known 1970s electric period. On this album, Smith, Kaiser and a large cast of musicians recorded cover versions and original compositions inspired by Miles's electric music. The follow-ups Sky Garden (released by Cuneiform in 2004) and Upriver (released in 2005) were recorded with a different cast of musicians. Both line-ups featured Michael Manring on bass.

Smith's Golden Quartet (with which he has released several albums) originally featured Jack DeJohnette on drums, Anthony Davis on keyboards, and Malachi Favors on bass. After several iterations, the Golden Quartet now features Pheeroan akLaff on drums, John Lindberg on bass, and Davis on piano.

During the 2000s, Smith recorded albums for John Zorn's label Tzadik, as well as Pi Recordings. In 2008, he and his Golden Quartet released a DVD entitled Freedom Now.

Smith has lived in New Haven, Connecticut for many years, a city where he helped create a prominent culture for creative music.

As leader/co-leader

 * 1972: Creative Music - 1 (Kabell)
 * 1975: Reflectativity (Kabell)
 * 1977: Song of Humanity (Kabell)
 * 1978: The Mass on the World (Moers)
 * 1979: Solo Music: Ahkreanvention (Kabell)
 * 1979: Divine Love (ECM)
 * 1979: Budding of a Rose (Moers)
 * 1979: Spirit Catcher (Nessa)
 * 1980: Touch the Earth (FMP)
 * 1982: Go in Numbers (Black Saint)
 * 1982: Human Rights (Kabell)
 * 1983: If You Want the Kernels You Have to Break the Shells (FMP)
 * 1983: Procession of the Great Ancestry (Nessa, 1989)
 * 1983: Rastafari (Sackville)
 * 1993: Kulture Jazz (ECM)
 * 1996: Tao-Njia (Tzadik)
 * 1997: Golden Hearts Remembrance with N'da Kulture (Chap Chap, 2020)
 * 1997: Prataksis (Ninewinds)
 * 1998: Condor, Autumn Wind (Wobbly Rail)
 * 1999: Light Upon Light (Tzadik)
 * 2000: Reflectativity (Tzadik)
 * 2000: Golden Quartet (Tzadik)
 * 2001: Red Sulphur Sky (Tzadik)
 * 2002: The Year of the Elephant (Pi)
 * 2002: Luminous Axis (Tzadik)
 * 2003: Organic Resonance (Pi)
 * 2004: Lake Biwa (Tzadik)
 * 2004: Saturn, Conjunct the Grand Canyon in a Sweet Embrace (Pi)
 * 2005: Snakish (Leo)
 * 2006: Compassion (Meta/Kabell)
 * 2007: Wisdom in Time (Intakt)
 * 2008: Tabligh (Cuneiform)
 * 2009: America (Tzadik)
 * 2009: Spiritual Dimensions (Cuneiform)
 * 2009: Abbey Road Quartet (Treader)
 * 2010: The Blue Mountain's Sun Drummer (Kabell)
 * 2011: Heart's Reflections (Cuneiform)
 * 2011: Dark Lady of the Sonnets (TUM)
 * 2011: Nessuno with Pauline Oliveros Roscoe Mitchell John Tilbury (IDA 035 – 2016)
 * 2012: Ten Freedom Summers (Cuneiform)
 * 2012: Ancestors (TUM)
 * 2013: Occupy the World (TUM)
 * 2014: Sonic Rivers (Tzadik) with George E. Lewis and John Zorn
 * 2014: Red Hill (RareNoise) with Jamie Saft, Joe Morris and Balazs Pandi
 * 2014: The Great Lakes Suites (TUM)
 * 2014: June 6th 2013 (Novara Jazz) with Eco D'Alberi
 * 2015: Celestial Weather (TUM) with John Lindberg
 * 2016: A Cosmic Rhythm with Each Stroke (ECM) with Vijay Iyer
 * 2016: America's National Parks (Cuneiform)
 * 2017: Najwa (TUM)
 * 2017: Solo: Reflections and Meditations on Monk (TUM)
 * 2017: Aspiration with Satoko Fujii, Natsuki Tamura, Ikue Mori
 * 2018: The Haunt with Bobby Naughton and Perry Robinson
 * 2020: Pacific Light and Water/Wu Xing – Cycle of Destruction with Barry Schrader
 * 2021: Sun Beans of Shimmering Light with Douglas Ewart, Mike Reed
 * 2021: Trumpet (TUM) solo trumpet
 * 2021: Sacred Ceremonies (TUM) with Milford Graves and Bill Laswell
 * 2021: The Chicago Symphonies (TUM)
 * 2021: A Love Sonnet For Billie Holiday (TUM) with Jack DeJohnette and Vijay Iyer
 * 2022: String Quartets Nos. 1–12 (TUM)
 * 2022: The Emerald Duets (TUM) with Pheeroan akLaff, Andrew Cyrille, Han Bennink and Jack DeJohnette

Compilations

 * Kabell Years: 1971–1979 (Tzadik, 2004) – collects Creative Music – 1, Reflectativity, Song of Humanity, and Solo Music: Ahkreanvention along with additional material

As sideman
With Muhal Richard Abrams With Marion Brown With Anthony Braxton With Creative Construction Company With Andrew Cyrille With Leroy Jenkins With Henry Kaiser '''With Bill Laswell
 * Young at Heart/Wise in Time (Delmark, 1974)
 * Geechee Recollections (Impulse!, 1973)
 * 3 Compositions of New Jazz (Delmark, 1968)
 * Silence (Freedom, 1969 [1975]) with Leroy Jenkins
 * Anthony Braxton (BYG Actuel, 1969)
 * This Time... (BYG Actuel, 1970)
 * Trio and Duet (Sackville, 1974)
 * Creative Orchestra Music 1976 (Arista, 1976)
 * Creative Orchestra (Köln) 1978 (hatART, 1978 [1995])
 * Creative Construction Company (Muse, 1970 [1975])
 * Creative Construction Company Vol. II (Muse, 1970 [1976])
 * Lebroba (ECM, 2018)
 * For Players Only (JCOA Records, 1975)
 * Yo, Miles! (Shanachie, 1998)
 * Sky Garden (Cuneiform, 2004)
 * Upriver (Cuneiform, 2004)
 * The stone (2014)

With Frank Lowe With Maurice McIntyre With Roscoe Mitchell With Matthew Shipp With Spring Heel Jack With John Zorn
 * The Flam (Black Saint, 1975)
 * Humility in the Light of the Creator (Delmark, 1969)
 * Sketches from Bamboo (Moers Music, 1979)
 * New Orbit (Thirsty Ear, 2001)
 * The Sweetness of the Water (Thirsty Ear, 2004)
 * Hackney Road (Treader, 2018) with Pat Thomas and Steve Noble
 * 50th Birthday Celebration Volume 8 (Tzadik, 2003)
 * The Unknown Masada (Tzadik, 2003)

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User talk:Viajero/Archive 2

Thanks for the information. We newbies probably look really stupid sometimes. Bmills

 * not at all. Did you follow the bit about private namespace prefix? I typed it rather hastily. It is quite a useful feature. -- Viajero 12:58, 6 Nov 2003 (UTC)

 * Yes, thanks. I'll use it in future. Bmills

I've moved your user talk, originally named Archive 1 to User talk:Viajero/Archive 1, bringing it into your user namespace. - user:zanimum

Well, there are two ways; you can move the page or just cut and paste but I can't find any guidelines on which of these is correct or preferred. Personally, I have always used cut and paste as I think it makes more sense for the page history to be kept together in one place. When I archive an article talk page I only archive the older discussion. I leave anything still current on the page which avoids the problem of people replying in an archive. Perhaps you need to find someone who archives using the 'move' method and find out what their justifications for that are. I can't see any advantage in it really, and the fact that the archive is then added to watchlists is a bit annoying. Angela 20:35, Nov 6, 2003 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I always go with cut-n-paste for archives too, since they're effectively read-only repositories of ancient text, and the single page history at the talk page can give you every change back to the beginning even if most of the text was later archived. I suppose we ought to write this down somewhere, the first time I did I was completely unsure about what to do. Stan 21:35, 6 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Re: Neustadt. Can you give me a source? Everything I can find says England. -- Cyan 09:46, 7 Nov 2003 (UTC)

 * Hmmm, see what you mean. Another user mentioned on a (Talk page in a different context that the reference in that article should have been to Wellfleet, Mass. However, checking things, I see the Guardian says he died in London . However, the reference to Welfleet, England (sic) is still wrong; he did have a summer house in Wellfleet, Mass. Just delete it I would say.

 * This will teach me to believe what I read on Talk pages!!! -- Viajero 09:59, 7 Nov 2003 (UTC)

As I recall, I made two changes to the page. In the first, I altered the text in a major way. I suppose that I should have indicated what I was doing, but I believe that to be the only breach of the Wikipedia's rules and conventions. Any minor edit I made was to correct a spelling mistake. If I did mistakenly mark the main change as a minor edit, then you have my profuse apologies.

Coming on to the NPOV point, what do you disagree with? Malathir's comments were racist. He has made similar comments in the past consistently enough that I feel labelling him a racist is quite correct. If you want, I will dig up some specific quotes for you. I accuse him of having a myopic view of Judaism. Myopia is not seeing what is really there due a vision fault. If he is an anti-Semite and racist, then his rantings about Jews controlling the world qualify as myopia about Jews. I then do not say that such views are common in the Muslim world. I say that they are common enough to cause concern. Many people I know share those concerns, and they are reflected amongst larger sections of the western world than just people I know.

Finally, the point about Nazi ideology may well have stuck in your craw. I did not say that lightly. Take a look at the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem; he was best buddies with Adolf Hiter. The Mufti's nephew learnt much of his hatred of Jews from his uncle. That nephew is Yasser Arafat. He represents one of the more extreme versions of Muslim anti-Semitism, and he is only one step away from picking it up directly from Hitler himself. Malathir is not that bad, but he is still a vicious bigot. He comes from a region that is supposedly known for its moderate version of Islam, in a country that is one of the most secular in the Muslim world. However, he still produces bilge on Jews ruling the world etc. David Newton 18:47, 7 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I unprotected User:Viajero - assuming accidental/old vandal/etc. If deliberate, please re-protect and drop a quick line of explanation on protected page and/or on the page itself. Thanks. Martin 18:11, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for protecting Mother Teresa. I have been just about fed up with Wiks unilateral decision to start an edit war. I was adding stuff, and i thought there was a Criticisms of Mother Teresa article which had already been decided on, so I removed the info that kept being added. Alexandros 22:41, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)

 * Well, whatever. In any case, Alexander, please take my advice: take Mother Teresa off your Watchlist and work on some of your own article projects for awhile. Don't get burned out on that particular issue. Thanks for your note. Take care... -- Viajero 22:47, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Viajero: I think a post of mine in the talk page of MT's page is interesting because some info (all concerning her beatification and so on) has disappeared in the mess and from the talk page, everybody agreed that this section was OK (it took Adam quite a while to work out his article and now it is crippled). There is no discussion in the talk page concerning that section but it was when Adam's version was first included and now it is not. I know it may be quite controversial, but it is just fair (in my opinion, of course...). TIA. Pfortuny 16:10, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

 * Hola, yes, I know the passage you are referring to:

 * "After her death, the Holy See immediately began the process of beatification, the first step towards possible canonization, or sainthood. This process requires the documentation of a miracle, and in autumn 2002, the Vatican recognized the healing of a purported tumor in the abdomen of Dangram, India resident Monica Besra through the application of a locket containing Teresa's picture. Her husband disagrees and believes that the lump in her adomen was not cured by divine intervention, but by later hospital treatment. Meanwhile, according to a TIME Asia report, records of her treatment have been taken away by a member of the order, and the Balurghat Hospital where Besra was treated reported coming under pressure from the missionaries to acknowledge that the healing process was the result of a miracle. [1] Despite the controversy, on 19 October 2003 Pope John Paul II made a formal pronouncement that Agnes Bojaxhiu had been beatified by the church. Teresa's miraculous intercessory powers will need to be further confirmed by the Catholic Church before she is elevated to sainthood."

 * It is this, right? I remember it because I also edited this section once about a month ago -- it was the only direct involvement I have had in the text. I had to go way back to mid-October to find, at least at 100 versions earlier(!!!). I don't think it is controversial -- it was even one of the parts of the text that Adam took over from the earlier version -- and certainly belongs in the text. At this point though I don't know what to say. Someone will have to take responsibility for mediating some kind of compromise. When that happens, we can insure the text is reinserted.
 * -- Viajero 17:02, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Sorry, I did not clarify. There are two sections missing ("Teresa as a Celebrity" and "Beatification of MT") which were around just before Alexandros started his last sequence of edits, then 2toise reverted his deletions on the criticisms (which is OK) but kept his deletions and "mis"-edits in the ""pro-"" section. It will be more complicated than I thought, but I think as they were in Adam's version and were there till Alexandros' multiple edits, they should appear. No action now, thanks. Sorry for writing so large for so little. I think we might get an easy agreement in the talk page. Don't bother and thanks. Pfortuny 17:06, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye on it; don't want to do it just yet as they've only had one round so far today. - Hephaestos 19:34, 10 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I've suggested an alternative at Wikipedia talk:How to archive a Talk page. I'm not sure whether that should go on the help page though as I don't know whether any objects to the method. Angela 21:30, 10 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Hello. I am glad to see you in the Latin America Wikiproject. Do not hesitate to edit that page. --Youssef 11:41, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

 * Hola amigo, ya sabías que me interesa mucho este parte del mundo, pero por disgracia recién hoy descubré esta página. Sí, queda mucho para hacer. ¡Adelante! -- Viajero 12:05, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

A lot of what he's put on Current Events recently has been a bit borderline as to being of general interest news. Bmills 15:52, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Hi, before you archived your talk page I wrote "Hmmm, I don't know who this 'niceguy' is. I assumed at first he was Heine as he moved Heine off the page a while ago, but I doubt that now. I doubt it's a newbie either". I've just realised Heine and Nico are (probably) the same person, so I'm reverting to my initial assumption that niceguy is (probably) Heine, hence such removals from problem users should be watched more closely. Angela 17:50, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the work on Brian Coffey: your intro is much stronger than mine was. I've added a paragraph on his later life that somehow got lost earlier. I seem to be on a run with obscure modernists amd groups of modernists at the moment, and it's nice to see someone is reading what I'm doing. Bmills 14:33, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Could you copy your list comments to wikipedia talk:problem users? There's been previous discussion about renaming, and it'd be good to keep it in one place. Martin 19:27, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

answer@mother_teresa. :)

Thanks for the compliment. I realize I am not the easiest-to-be-read writer, though. Especially when I get worried. Pfortuny 17:37, 13 Nov 2003 (UTC)

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On the lovely Mother Teresa - I'm waiting for agreement from Mr Plank before doing *anything*. Secretlondon 18:48, Nov 13, 2003 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you, but after reading your recent arguments with martin and jtdirl, I think it would be best to refer you to wikiquette. The line reading, ''No personal attacks; while criticising the work of other contributors is fine, personal attacks and insults regarding their race, sex, creed etc. are unacceptable. For further guidance, see No personal attacks.'' especially applies to your comments. Alexandros 00:10, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I think I must tell you User:Pfortuny/private1 what I am about to post at the talk page. If you find it too harsh, please do tell me. I will wait for your answer before pasting it in the Mother Teresa talk page. Thanks. Pfortuny 12:40, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment. I posted it on the mailing list. --Uncle Ed 22:05, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

From your comments I guess you are not happy - although I believe that Pfortuny is. I don't know what Adam Carr thinks - I would not be happy if the article pleases only the catholics - because this will not have solved the problem. Secretlondon 22:09, Nov 14, 2003 (UTC)

Sure, I'll try to keep an eye on it, but I'm not going to be around for much this evening. Angela 22:21, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I made the comments in his page bc I did not want to have this conversation in public (I guessed you were not in agreement :)...

On one hand I really thought something like what Ed did was necessary to keep the article going on, but I felt quite quite sorry at Adam's withdrawal. But I prefer freedom to depending on someone for editing an article.

I was surprised at Ed's unblocking the page, but then I thought "someone should do it, anyway". I also never assumed my opinion would be definitive for the unblocking... It is quite messy. I am happy for the "unblocking" but unhappy for Adam's going away and your (and others, I guess) worries......

My mind is not too clear, as you can see. Pfortuny 15:32, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome. Petermanchester 16:14, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Answer in my talk page. Don't want to waste your disk space :)Pfortuny 16:27, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Viajero, concerning your open letter:
 * I never actually wrote I was a Catholic anywhere. Is it so obvious? :)
 * You are right. The debate needs and has to be faced. If this is a serious project to last for a good while, these problems have to be studied and solved "in general".

On the other hand, if I may be a bit personal... We would be more convincing if there were no harsh words in our writings. No offence intended, simply thinking aloud.

Again thanks for your help and please inform me if the above debate begins. Pfortuny 21:01, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Nop! You guessed I am a Catholic, and I am one, so why not saying it? I was simply kidding.

The harshness referred not to our conversation (it has NEVER even approached harshness) but some words in one comment of yours in the MT talk page after Ed's unblocking and in the letter to Ed. I did not mean you had been harsh to me ever, sorry for not being clear!

Yes, my words are not written in stone, but... I got so annoyed at Eloquences behaviour I thought it was best for me to withdraw for a while. I'll think it twice, though :) Pfortuny 21:27, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Quick question: how can I ask for Irish literature to be removed from Pages needing attention? Bmills 11:27, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)

 * If you think it no longer needs to be listed, just delete it yourself! -- Viajero 11:43, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)

 * Will do. Thanks again for all your help. Bmills 11:45, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I need your advice. A newbie whose first language clearly is not English has added two paragraphs at the start of Poetry. These are poorly written and I do not believe thaey belong anyway. However, I'd be the last person to want to discourage an enthusiastic newcomer. Could you have a look at the page and suggest a suitable course of action? Thanks Bmills 09:47, 19 Nov 2003 (UTC)

 * Let see, ummm Poetry... Page History... Mrs.Medha... User contributions... Yep. We are in total agreement on one thing: her text has got to go. Now, you have basically two options, depending on your humeur: You can revert the text with a terse comment in the Summary. Or you can "move" her text to the Talk page with a comment about it "needing work". If you want to be exceedingly diplomatic, you could even leave a note on her Talk page, thanking her for her contribution, saying that it wasn't quite encyclopedic, and referring her to NPOV and other help/style pages, and saying that you hope she will continue to contribute after familiarizing herself with the site etc. etc. (This will partly depend on whether you think she is just passing by or a keeper.)

 * Hope this helps. -- Viajero 11:33, 19 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Thanks. I won't revert. Bmills 12:06, 19 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Good correction on Current events. I hadn't realised I had removed the cocoa link reference when I removed some other ones. Thats what comes from watching TV and editing a page at the same time! Good revertion. Wikilove. FearÉIREANN 00:18, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Blanaid Salkeld: thanks again. A much better intro. Bmills 09:13, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Hi Viajero, as you speak Spanish, would you mind having a look at Sotavento(province) please to see if it is worth translating or if you think it should be deleted? Thank you. Angela 19:34, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)

= "be nice to the newcomer." What happened in my case? = Dec. 6, 2003

Sterlingda: Check User Talk:Sterlingda for answers!!!!

Dear Wikipedia Admin (via Viajero)

I just had an entry I spent hours preparing this morning deleted of Wikipedia. http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/sterling_allan

I woke up at 5:00 am after going to bed at 2:00 am, and finished at around 10:00 am.

Now it's gone from Wikipedia because it was deemed "self promotion."

They didn't give me a chance to re-write it. They didn't give me a warning. The only warning I got was that I happened to go to the page late this evening (past midnight, actually) in time to see that it was slated for deletion, pending a vote. I went to the vote page, posted a comment, and by the time I was done, my page was gone.

I'm new here.

If they treat newcomers like this, how do you expect the craze to spread.

My enthusiasm has been snuffed nearly as fast as it was fueled last night when I first discovered Wikipedia.

Even the 'history' is empty.

Here is a copy of the posting, which I saved on my site: sterlingdallan.com/resume/Wikipedia/

What's the big deal about self promotion. An autobiography is one of the most coveted sources of accuracy. It seems asinine to reject a listing because a person wrote it about himself in third person.

This isn't a popularity contest. It's an encyclopedia project. So what if some of the Wikipedia users might not like me or what I stand for, or that they don't like that I wrote the piece about myself.

Yes, I agree it is a bit corny to do that; but you and I know that people do it all the time; and it is entirely acceptable.

What do I do?

This reminds me of my experience several years ago at go.com as an editor. I ran into people who thought they were king of the hill, yet their I.Q. was obviously challenged.

That is one of the reasons why I had thought I would do my new encyclopedia project (http://www.pureenergysystems.com) from the ground up rather than use an existing service such as Wikipedia.

I was told about Wikipedia about a week ago by my brother, and I bookmarked the page. It was last night that I first put time into exploring it, and saw the power of its algorithm.

But again, I am not impressed by what I have seen in the editing. I feel helpless. No appeal. Just zap and gone.

Why waste my energy.

I have devoted nearly my entire day from 5:00 am (Dec. 5) to 1:00 am (Dec. 6) to posting several things to Wikipedia.

That is how motivated I can get.

But then to have that work obliterated without any recourse seems brutal to me.

How can I recommend this protocol to others?

Though the back-end software is awesome, the lack of an appeal reeks.

There ought to be a way to put a listing on "hold" while it is discussed between the user and the community. Give them a chance to change it, perhaps. Give them a chance to present there case.

But delete?

Sheesh. So final, so brutal. So idiotic.

I spend hours composing, and with one press of a button, all that work is gone. Obliterated. It is as mindless as an arsonist who takes a match to a magnificent building.

Because of my experience with go.com, I did make copies of my work. But at this point, I'm thinking, "why even try to post a modification. It will just be the same story over again."

This has got to change.

How hard would it be to program a "hold" feature, as a way to let the user have a chance to state his/her case or to present a modified version?

I know how to write, how to summarize, how to distill, how to organize, and yet this is how I am treated?

I have the potential to be one of your most valuable assets, and yet I am treated like an imbecile.

My press release on the McBurney Super-Carburetor received yet another 25,000 hits today. http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2003/11/prweb89610.htm

I feel like an eagle trying to get along in the chicken coop, where all I look like to them is a strange chicken.

Help me out here. If you have any pull with the admin, please present my case to them.

I would really like to be able to develop a major project via Wikipedia, per my recent posting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Energy_Wikipedia_Control_Panel backed up here: http://www.pureenergysystems.com/encyclopedia/wikipedia/control_panel/archive/031205.htm in case that is deleted.

If there is a way to remove someone's privileges, I think whoever was responsible for deleting my bio page should have their privileges put on "hold" while we have a little discussion.

Do you really not want people like me?

If so, please let me know now, so I can turn my enthusiasm into turning people away from your site with an expose on this situation I just experienced. "Don't waste your time" will be my message.

I can either help you turn Wikipedia into everything it has the potential to be, or I will develop one with my team that will beat yours in the end.

You might be the Yahoo of online encyclopedias, but remember what happened when Google came along.

Do you want me with you or against you?

I am sitting on the crest of a technology revolution, and I can either host it on my site, or on yours.

What's your choice?

I'm pretty ticked off. I was so excited about what I thought you had. But now that excitement has turned to anger.

Bad news travels fast.

I have a large web presence. 90,000 unique visitors per month at GreaterThings.com

Friend, or foe. What's it going to be?

Here are some of my expose sites: http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/ http://www.greaterthings.com/News/NigerianScam/

Both are listed in the Open Directory Project.

go.com went out of business.

I'm going to post this to a couple of other people, just to make sure it gets heard up top your business.

Right now, as of this minute, I'm still promoting your site.

See http://www.greaterthings.com/News/FreeEnergy/newstuff/ http://www.pureenergysystems.com/encyclopedia/ http://www.pureenergysystems.com/newstuff/

I hope your reply will be favorable. I would really like to work with you.

Please respond by email sterlingda@greaterthings.com if you can as I am yet not familiar enough with your site to know where to go to find a reply.

Thanks,

Sterling D. Allan Sterlingda 09:14, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

p.s. After writing the above, in looking at the Wikipedia site some more, I came across a page that talks about the need to "be nice to the newcomer." What happened in my case?

User:Sterlingda answer to a post on his talk page removed there. Muriel Victoria 10:23, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Renata Scotto
I actually met Renata Scotto once in New York City, when she came into Penn Station late at night and was too scared to budge from her gate due to the presence of creepy-looking people hanging around there. I escorted her to the nearby New Yorker Hotel for her meeting with composer Kevin Pickard. She seemed rather grateful for the attention. --Uncle Ed 20:48, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Can you advise me again? I have no plans to start any new pages in the next couple of days and intend to do some major rewrites on poetry pages I came across that I feel need attention, starting with Ezra Pound. For this one, I left a note on the Talk page, but should I leave a message on the user talk page of people who worked on the article before? Or list it on pages needing attention? Thanks for your help. Hasta la vista. Bmills 12:58, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)

 * Hi, I agree, Ezra Pound needs some work, and you are just the person! I don't think you need to go the trouble of notifying people on their Talk pages. If they are interested in the topic, it will be on their Watchlist. A quick look at the Page history reveals that it has been mostly anon IP users contributing anyway, so they are probably not around. It is always diplomatic to announce big changes like you did in advance, but my guess is that no one will object. Just make sure that when you replace the text with your own using copy & paste (Move this page won't work and anyway has the disadvantage of replacing the Page history), that you indicate clearly in the Summary so that subsequent users will be able to see when your version was introduced. One final very general suggestion: if you encounter a piece of text in an article that you would like to delete, the safest strategy is always to move it to the Talk page with a brief comment so that the author and/or subsequent readers will understand your motivations. In other words, be bold but leave a trail! Suerte, -- Viajero 13:29, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)

 * Thanks. In this instance, I'm being very bold. Bmills 13:39, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Hi Viajero,

The pictures that I posted, as far as I could tell, were in the public domain. Is there any way I can update the url I got them from?

Thanks, Sray 07:08, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)

 * Not sure what you mean. If you click on an image here on Wikipedia, you come to a page which has information about that image. You can edit this page like any other. It should contain relevant source and copyright details. Many pictures are on the web, not all are public domain, especially of recent ones of people like Eduard Shevarnadze. If pictures are indeed public domain, it still needs to be indicated explicitly as such on the image page mentioned above. If you have any questions about what constitutes public domain and "fair use", please post a note on Wikipedia_Talk:Image use policy. -- Viajero 09:23, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Thanks. Bmills 12:10, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)

 * One observation: four or five were redirects to the article in the main article namespace. This means you used Move article to put them there. Keep in mind that if you use Move, it will also move the accompanying Page history, including all your previous drafts as well, which you might not want. I would recommend cutting & pasting into a new article to avoid this, as you appear to have done with most of the above. Probably you are already aware of this... Carry on! -- Viajero 12:12, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Yes, I've learned from that mistake. Will always copy and paste from here on in. Bmills 12:15, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Dear Viajero, I can't find the reason for the cura te ipsum thing being redirected into the Latin-only target area. To redirect the wonderful master quote on your own page myself, if you allow me, the Latin-only target area is so desolate... I was adding the physician side of the story, being an MD and happening to see the juice behind this wonderful saying, day in and day out, for twenty years now. Why, in your view, CV deserves a full article and cura te ipsum only a redirect? Afterall, I mean, cura te ipsum is Luke 4:23, you know, as read in the Vulgate... Not quite a POW methinks. Do you want me to add some glossae on Saint Luke the Physician? OK, Deal - if you let my page fly by itself. Let us head to the peace of the brave, in lieu of pax romana! Sine cera - ly Yours, irismeister 22:34, 2003 Nov 26 (UTC)

Nice work on the Borges page. Seems like thare are a lot of pages on writers that are in need of attention. Bmills 11:52, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)

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Thanks for the link to the article on Chile's "economic miracle" and sorry for not keeping in touch. I've been very inactive on Wiki for the past month, but look forward to coming back now.

BTW, it was great to see that genocidal neo-fascist go down in Guatemala - more good news for Latin America's indigenous population just after Goni was forced to go back to the United States (where he'll fit in better). Hopefully, though, Colom would will win the second round next month.

Also, in case you haven't seen this already, check out Vargas Llosa's troubling comments, which epitomize racism in the Andean region: "Novelist Vargas Llosa Slammed for 'Racist' Remarks" http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/oneworld/20031113/wl_oneworld/4536726731068735285

172 13:09, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)

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Why'd you delete Origin Systems, Inc.? --Mrwojo 14:03, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)
 * It is not deleted, just moved to Origin Systems -- Viajero 14:05, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)
 * I mean the specific page "Origin Systems, Inc." that is gone, the one that was just a redirect. There were pages that linked to it that would've redirected to its new home. --Mrwojo 14:27, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see what you mean; there were two: OSI Ultima, now fixed. There are still a few redirected via Origin Systems Inc but I'll let you fix those ;-) -- Viajero 14:44, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. :) I'll get around to it eventually. --Mrwojo 15:47, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Dear Viajero, now i'm totally against the linking frenzy! I had to see it with my own eyes in one of "my" creations to realise how ridicule this can get!. Unfortunately linking very much a question of personal opinion. I'm afraid guidelines wont do here: peolple dont have to go by them if they dont want to or if they dont know they exist. We must create a linking awarness club, dedicated to educate our overlinked fellow wikipedians. So i have a sugestion: if that example from war elephant made me see the light perhaps we can organize a List of overlinked articles so people can apreciate themselves our point of view. Cheers, Muriel Victoria 11:26, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)

 * About Richard Neustadt, one word comes to my mind: Credo!! Lets just hope people can be "educated" in this matter. By the way, some discussion has been going on in Brilliant prose and now some Voting is taking place there, about old aditions. Mind to give your opinion? Cheers, Muriel Victoria 15:41, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome. I think allopathy will be ok once Mr.Natural learns about NPOV. - VerbalHerbal

 * I still think the article has a long way to go. Please take a look at Heroic medicine if you have a moment. It is a most unencyclopedic rant. I am at a loss at where to begin. Best wishes. -- Viajero 21:44, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)

 * Hmmm. Yes, I get your point. The author seems to be using Wikipedia as a soapbox for his own position and to be uninterested in treating things neutrally. I hope he will eventually get the idea, maybe I will put a link on his page. -- VerbalHerbal

 * Thanks again, and yes, my newness is perhaps-somewhat-less-than-entire :). I'm happy that you started cleaning up the POV messiness - it's a discouraging task and I'm glad if my meagre assistance makes you feel less lonely! It was only your participation that encouraged me to wade into it :) - VerbalHerbal 23:59, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)

 * I had never heard of Paul Bon before and found the article very interesting. Just found a few minor typos. Also fixed typos in my own articles, some of which were very embarrasing. Glad you liked Irish poetry, I was amazed to find it on Brilliant prose, having read a lot of history and science articles that are a lot better. I have mainly been doing biographies of writers, many of these you have helped improve. No I'm working on User:Bmills/Irish theatre as a kind of compaion to the poetry page and deriving from work I did on Irish literature. As you said, a lot to be done on 'high culture' wikipedia. I am amazed at how bad some of the writing on literature is. Very disappointing some of it. The Gary Snyder and the Ezra Pound articles were just disjointed lists of facts, not that my rewrites are perfect. Bmills 09:04, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Re: Dutch disease etc. Thanks for your edit to that. I don't have my reference book of English slang with me so will have to check the etymologies of them when I get home. I _think_ that there may be another meaning of Dutch disease meaning a sexually transmitted disease. I did collate national insults in English a while ago. I need to dig out my notes. Secretlondon 15:11, Dec 1, 2003 (UTC)

 * Ok, but surely "Dutch Door" is likewise unrelated to the War. It is just an construction detail -- or not? -- Viajero 15:13, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I humbly apologize for bloating the history. I think we may be prioritizing differently. I see the nuclear accident list as a special case. Yes, I do agree that it's good practice to edit off-line, but the third(!) time the community overwrote my very large off-line edit, I realized that the nuclear accident list was going to have high traffic for a while. What's more, many of the new items were those lovely odd little bits of data that come from the Wikipedia's eclectic set of users.

In the case of a list of nuclear accidents, I would then have to drop in a large list of items. This would either disorder the list (it's sorted by date) or overwrite some-one else's contributions, which seems ruder to me than running up a long list of history.

So, I promise to be good in my other posts. Ok? (Please forgive me??)

Another topic-- I added a reference from "list of disasters" next to the "nuclear disasters"; If you can think of any other way to link to the nuclear accidents list, the list would become more useful.

Yes, indeed the server is working hard, but during a low-usage time. (Peaks are evenings in Europe, U.S. East and West coasts). I'm saving the incidents individually so that they don't get lost in someone else's updates. My list of incidents is entered now, so I'll be backing off. Thanks for caring.

You might look at the other stuff that user has created. Might be candidates for quick deletion. Alexandros

About MrNH: nevermind! he's not going to listen anyway. Comparing to him, Wik is the paradigm of social skills (i like Wik, btw)! And there was some action in your talk page earlier today. I removed a few statements by sterling to his talk page. Maybe you should have a look in the history, to see if you want to restore some. About the usurpers, i think its nice too :) Cheers, Muriel Victoria

User:Stan Shebs/Grove Sample is an interesting random sample, eh? Gives a sense of the ratio of done articles, and kinds that are done. I'd do more, but I bet people would get anxious about copyright, even if it is only a list... Stan 00:20, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * Indeed, fascinating although daunting! It made me feel better to have made it slightly less red. (encountered BTW it via a What links here). Wish I had access to Grove, but very $$$. -- Viajero 00:25, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * Those were from the 1-volume, which has about 1/2 as many articles, and they're greatly shortened - I compared a couple the last time I visited university library, which has the big version. A tricksy way to deal with access would be to use library terminals to log in to WP, work from the big books there since you usually can't check them out. Stan 03:47, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Hola! Glad you liked the comment. I think it just fair to say it, because we are far too used to take what appear in "scientific" journals as the true reliable definitive and perfect truth, and just thinking of psychiatrists and for example electroshock gives me the creeps! Pfortuny 22:46, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Letter moved to: Talk:Zviad Gamsakhurdia

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text:
Order of Saint Vladimir

The Imperial Order of Saint Prince Vladimir (орден Святого Владимира) was an Imperial Russian order established on 3 October 1782 by Empress Catherine II in memory of the deeds of Saint Vladimir, the Grand Prince and the Baptizer of the Kievan Rus'.

Grades
The order had four degrees and was awarded for continuous civil and military service. People who had been awarded with the St. Vladimir Order for military merits bore it with a special fold on the ribbon – "with a bow". There was a certain hierarchy of Russian Orders. According to this, the First Class Order of Saint Vladimir was the second one—the first was the Saint George Order—by its significance.

According to Russian laws on nobility, people who were awarded the Order of Saint Vladimir had the rights of hereditary nobility until the Emperor's decree of 1900 was issued. After this, only three first classes of the order gave such a right, the last one granting only personal nobility.

Today, Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna, pretender to the Russian Throne and claimant to the Headship of the Russian Imperial House, continues to award the Russian Imperial Order of Saint Vladimir as a dynastic order of knighthood. The validity of her awards is disputed by some historians and by some members of the Romanov Family Association.

Styles

 * First class: A red cross with black and golden borders; the badge of the order depended from a sash worn over the right shoulder, and a gold-and-silver eight-rayed star was fastened over the left chest
 * Second class: The red cross on the neck and the star over the left chest
 * Third class: The red cross of a smaller size on the neck
 * Fourth class: The red cross over the left chest

Insignia
A red enamelled cross pattée with black enamelled borders, and a black enamelled central disc bearing a crowned red and ermine mantle with the monogram of Saint Vladimir. Worn on a sash by the first degree, on a necklet by the second and third degrees, and on a chest ribbon by the fourth degree.

A four-pointed star superimposed upon a four-pointed gold star, with a golden cross pattée and the letters "CPKB" between the arms of the cross on a black enamel background at the centre surrounded by the motto of the order "Benefit, Honour and Glory".

Worn on the left chest by the first and second degrees. This motto was transferred to present-day star of the Order of Merit for the Fatherland, which was established in 1992 by President Boris Yeltsin and is today the second highest ranking decoration of that country.

Order of Saint Vladimir of the Russian Orthodox Church
In 1957, in commemoration of the 40th anniversary of the Patriarch of Moscow's restoration in Russia, an Order of Saint Vladimir was created by the Russian Orthodox Church. The order is to be awarded to priests and nuns of the Orthodox church for their service to the Soviet Union and later Russia.

There are three degrees of the order. It has no relation to the imperial order.

Select recipients

 * Abbasgulu Bakikhanov
 * Alexander Kolchak
 * Alexander Pietrov
 * Angus Buchanan
 * Anto Gvozdenović
 * August Ludwig von Schlözer
 * Charles Broke Vere
 * Charles Esmond de Wolff
 * Dimitrije Milaković
 * Fyodor Matisen
 * Gavriil Alekseevich Korsak-Koulagenkov
 * Hugo W. Koehler
 * Igor Sikorsky
 * Ilya Ulyanov
 * Ivan Gannibal
 * Jacob van Deventer
 * Jovan Sundečić
 * Louis-Mathieu Langlès
 * Mikhail Tukhachevsky
 * Mitrofan Lodyzhensky
 * Nikolai Yudenich
 * Nićifor Dučić
 * Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky
 * Paulos Gregorios
 * Milan Rastislav Štefánik
 * Pyotr Stolypin
 * Robert Henry Dick
 * William Munro Kerr
 * Hugh Henry Mitchell
 * Petar Bojović
 * Đorđe Petrović
 * Karl Nesselrode
 * Pyotr Poletika
 * Asad-bey Talyshkhanov
 * Antun Mažuranić
 * Viktor Petrovich Skarzhinsky
 * Vsevolod Ivanovich Roborovsky

title: Order of Saint Vladimir


text:
Logical possibility

Logical possibility refers to a logical proposition that cannot be disproved, using the axioms and rules of a given system of logic. The logical possibility of a proposition will depend upon the system of logic being considered, rather than on the violation of any single rule. Some systems of logic restrict inferences from inconsistent propositions or even allow for true contradictions. Other logical systems have more than two truth-values instead of a binary of such values. Some assume the system in question is classical propositional logic. Similarly, the criterion for logical possibility is often based on whether or not a proposition is contradictory and as such, is often thought of as the broadest type of possibility.

In modal logic, a logical proposition is possible if it is true in some possible world. The universe of "possible worlds" depends upon the axioms and rules of the logical system in which one is working, but given some logical system, any logically consistent collection of statements is a possible world. The modal diamond operator $$\lozenge$$ is used to express possibility: $$\lozenge P$$ denotes "proposition $$P$$ is possible".

Logical possibility is different from other sorts of subjunctive possibilities. The relationship between modalities (if there is any) is the subject of debate and may depend upon how one views logic, as well as the relationship between logic and metaphysics, for example, many philosophers following Saul Kripke have held that discovered identities such as "Hesperus = Phosphorus" are metaphysically necessary because they pick out the same object in all possible worlds where the terms have a referent. It is logically possible for “Hesperus = Phosphorus” to be false, since denying it does not violate a logical rule such as consistency. Other philosophers are of the view that logical possibility is broader than metaphysical possibility, so that anything which is metaphysically possible is also logically possible.

title: Logical possibility