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Talk:Raleigh, North Carolina

Requested move 26 August 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not Moved Mike Cline (talk) 13:02, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Raleigh, North Carolina → Raleigh – The city name is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and already redirects here. PhotographyEdits (talk) 10:50, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

 * Oppose - I don't think this meets the bar for primary topic, as this WP:USPLACE may only be highly recognizable within that region, whereas globally, Sir Walter Raleigh is more recognizable and has at least as many views. See note 3 here for a comparable example involving "Washington". The current primary redirect may be a bit dubious and could do with some discussion, but its less drastic than moving the article itself. -- Netoholic @ 13:12, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:USPLACE. The (oft-debated) convention is to keep the extra disambiguation in the case of American cities. See Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names). 162 etc. (talk) 14:38, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, it not established that it is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and it does not meet any exception to WP:USPLACE. - Donald Albury 15:25, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Raleigh already redirects here and has done so since 2012, there was a discussion at Talk:Raleigh (disambiguation) in 2014 which established it was the primary topic. Raleigh is even given as an example at WP:NWFCTM.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 16:36, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose The guidance at WP:USPLACE in the "Major cities" section has done us well for years and exceptions are generally not needed. Let me quote the exact wording for all to read, so it is not confusing.  "Cities listed in the AP Stylebook[2] as not requiring the state modifier in newspaper articles have their articles named "City" unless they are not the primary topic for that name. [3] In other cases, this guideline recommends following the "comma convention" as described above.[4].  Raleigh is not one of the cities listed in the AP Style book for not including the state name, and for that reason, we include it in our title.  -- Jayron 32 15:53, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Jayron32 and others. And per Netoholic, I think making Raleigh the dab page or redirecting to the dab page potentially makes sense but is out of scope for this discussion. Skynxnex (talk) 16:14, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Notwithstanding the guidance at WP:USPLACE and the explanation on Perennial proposals, I also prefer to move Raleigh (disambiguation) to . There should be no primary topic in terms of long-term significance between the American city Raleigh and the English explorer and statesman Raleigh. Zzyzx11 (talk) 16:28, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * As already mentioned USPLACE says its common usage even though I personally think its a good idea unless the DAB is moved to the base name.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 16:36, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I, too, was surprised to learn this is the primary topic for Raleigh. I would have said Walter Raleigh was about as famous and pageviews back me up. The dab page should be moved to the base name with the two top Raleighs at the top. Srnec (talk) 01:16, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose and also very surprised to find that Raleigh (disambiguation) isn't at the base line. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:37, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose and move Raleigh (disambiguation) to Raleigh. No clear primary topic, with the cycle manufacturer and the explorer. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:34, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per AP style. Also agree that the city's namesake rivals the shortened title for primary topic attention.-Indy beetle (talk) 09:09, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Pictures
I'm sorry, but the pictures on this page by Dennis Ludlow (both of college-age women) seem a little creepy. Does anyone else agree? Or could they be replaced with other pictures of the places being photoraphed? Ramendoctor (talk) 00:03, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I replaced the one in the recreation section because the venue was not mentioned in the text, and the second one because there was already an image of the same university above it. The images are of harmless public activity, but as you mention, seem unsavory when you consider they're by the same author and other options are available. The woman in the university picture looked particularly unwilling to be photographed, and there's no good reason why she should be front and center in a photograph of an entire courtyard. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:30, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Xi'an

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Userbox for People from Xi'an
To whom collects userboxes in their user page, I just created one: User:UBX/Xi'an --Chenzjun 20:01, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Shaanxi History Museum
In Architecture section, it is saying that Shaanxi History Museum is an example of New Tang Style. However, should that building be Han-styled instead?

--Chenzjun 18:40, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Chinese Charactors after a Wikified Word
There is no need to, and really should not, put corresponding chinese charactors after wikified words or phrases.

--Chenzjun 08:22, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Xi'anese vs. Xi'anish
When a adjective is required for word Xi'an, I think word Xi'anese is much better than Xi'anish, because the suffix -ish has a derogatory meaning. With the suffix -ese, the word Xi'anese can also refer to people lived in Xi'an and language spoken in Xi'an, being much more useful than Xi'anish.

Apostrophe
Correctly pinyinized, the city's name is Xi'an, but the official pinyinization is Xian (similar to the nonstandard romanization used for Shaanxi, the province whose capital is, ironically, Xian.

--Xiaopo

 * Is the form 'Xian' ever used with tone marks? Morwen 23:56, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)

 * The use of ' in pinyin is NOT a tone mark.

 * Thank-you, but I don't believe anyone said otherwise. Morwen 07:38, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * The ' mark in Xi'an is an indicator to disambiguate this term as a two syllable term, which is written in two Chinese characters. When spelled without the ' mark, xian is one pinyin syllable for one Chinese characters. (See the Chinese characters that have the xian pronunciation here).  Therefore, regardless of how many google hits in each of these terms, Xi'an is the correct name,  but Xian is an incorrect term, because the readers would incorrectly read it as one syllable. Kowloonese 07:11, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * On the other hand, http://www.personal.leeds.ac.uk/~chifc/pinyin.html indicates that Xian is the official romanization. It saith: "Use         the official irregular Hanyu Pinyin forms 陕西省 Shaanxi Province (the form           is intended to avoid confusion with 山西省) and 西安市 Xian City (strictly speaking it should be Xi'an).". --Xiaopo 02:06, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * I looked through that page and it didn't say that Xian was the correct romanization. In fact, it said the opposite - that the apostrophe is required. -Spencer195 17:46, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

 * In that page, it says "In cases where ambiguity is possible, the apostrophe is used to mark the border between two characters (=syllables). The apostrophe is used to indicate the absence of an initial consonant, where it is otherwise impossible to see where one syllable ends and the next begins. 延安 is Yan'an (not *Yanan), but it is 亚尼 Yani and 鸭暖 Yanuan (both names of townships); 民歌 is minge, while 名额 is ming'e; 暗暗 is an'an. 礼安 is Li'an to distinguish it from 联 lian; but 乐安 is Lean, for *lean does not exist as a syllable in Modern Standard Chinese. 天安门 is Tiananmen and not *Tian'anmen, for *tia does not exist as a syllable in Modern Standard Chinese. Hanyu Pinyin does not use any other ways of marking the boundary between individual characters in a word. *Bei-jing, *Bei-Jing and *BeiJing for Beijing are wrong."

 * And I am sure that Xi'an is absolutely right, just like two-character word 礼安 is Li'an to distinguish it from one-charachter word 联 (Lian). --Koyn 17:08, 3 May 2004 (UTC)

 * No official placename ever has tone marks. Same thing in Taiwan, no official placename has tone #. Which is not very good, because unless the place is famous, ever native speakers cannot pronounce them correctly (due to the tone confusion). --Menchi 00:01, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)

 * Hmm... we want to use the most common English name, so Xiaopo seems to have it right. Xi'an has 253K google hits, and Xian has 433K. Reverse, however, for the phrases "City of Xian" and "City of Xi'an", though not to the same degree (roughly equal).  A tough call what the name should be. Certainly we should have Xiaopo's comments about official vs correct pinyinization at the top. Kahn

 * I really question your approach of blindly counting the hits of Xian from Google. By using the dictionary entries you get 60+ Chinese characters with the pronounciation of xian.  Your 433K hits included 60+ words that may or may not be related to the city of Xi'an.  Even the hits of "City of Xian" may or may not be related to the subject of this article. Kowloonese 07:19, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * I agree with Kowloonese; your Google search is getting results for Xian that are unrelated to 西安. -Spencer195 17:46, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

Check out the title banners of these official sites in the city: They all use the apostrophe.
 * Municipal government: "Xi'an China"
 * Xi'an Shiyou University
 * Xi'an Jiaotong University

Merriam-Webster uses apostrophe as well. As do Columbia Encyclopedia and Encarta.

--Menchi 07:50, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I checked out two fairly well-made maps: Collins (London) 1999 and National Geographic 1994. They both use the apostrophe. --Menchi 11:24, 3 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I too believe that this page should be located under Xi'an, not Xian. According to http://www.personal.leeds.ac.uk/~chifc/pinyin.html, the apostrophe is required in order to distinguish it from the romanization of the one syllable words 鲜，先, 险，etc. And I don't believe Xian is a common or official irregular usage for 西安; Most texts that I see use Xi'an; Xian occurs rarely and is simply an error. All dictionaries use Xi'an; in fact, in order to get my Chinese IME to type it correctly, I have to use Xi'an. Therefore, since 3 people want Xi'an and 2 want Xian, and especially since the official municipal website lists Xi'an, I'm going to move this page to Xi'an with a redirect from Xian. -Spencer195 17:46, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

What's wrong with the link Xi'an in my page? Anyone konws? Cheers.--Koyn 16:38, 3 May 2004 (UTC)

 * Database sometimes has lag. It'll be fine within a few days. --Menchi 18:33, 3 May 2004 (UTC)

 * Try deleting it, saving it, and putting it back again. -Spencer195 21:33, 3 May 2004 (UTC)

 * Still red, :( --Koyn 22:50, 3 May 2004 (UTC)

 * I fixed it for you. I hope you don't mind me editing your user page.  :)  -Spencer195 23:22, 3 May 2004 (UTC)

 * It's ok now, cheers! :) --Koyn 10:08, 4 May 2004 (UTC)

Photograph
Can we please have another few photographs that better represent this historic city, in addition to this very modern one? -- Kaihsu 21:39, 2004 Jun 21 (UTC)

 * I've added a panorama of the Big Wild Goose Pagoda I took while on vacation this summer. Additionally, I was born in Xi'an, it DOES use the apostrophe.--Yan Yin

History of Xi'an
is already included in History of Xi'an, <-- has also already been copy-edited, merge?

Daxing
Would it not be better, in the historical context of the city's reconstruction and adoption as the capital of the Sui, to translate Daxing (大兴) as Great Reconstruction or Great Beginning rather than Great Excitement? (Ref - the Sui dynasty entry) Tomtom08 13:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

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Chinese Pyramids
Please add a paragraph about 100 pyramids in the environs of Xi'an. This is a great article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AverageTurkishJoe (talk • contribs) 07:41, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Xi'an Population Reference not valid
Anyone please verify this. I tried to search for more recent authoritative statistics but could not find. I could use a bit of help here.Wei.cs (talk) 14:31, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Xi'an was sistered yesterday with Kalamata (a greek city). links in greek: http://www.google.com/hostednews/epa/article/ALeqM5jzLuTm8WJWl3kMgne4IASHeTWd_Q, or google"ΑΔΕΛΦΟΠΟΙΗΣΗ ΚΑΛΑΜΑΤΑΣ ΣΙΑΝ", http://www.google.gr/search?q=%CE%91%CE%94%CE%95%CE%9B%CE%A6%CE%9F%CE%A0%CE%9F%CE%99%CE%97%CE%A3%CE%97+%CE%9A%CE%91%CE%9B%CE%91%CE%9C%CE%91%CE%A4%CE%91%CE%A3+%CE%A3%CE%99%CE%91%CE%9D&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:el:official&client=firefox-a in greek.

World largest solar center October 2009
Citation: In October, Applied will be opening the world’s largest solar research center — in Xian, China. Gotta go where the customers are. So, if you like importing oil from Saudi Arabia, you’re going to love importing solar panels from China. Source: New York Times, article about Applied Materials photovoltaik factories --Pege.founder (talk) 19:48, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Xi'an, the history
Have't mentioned Xi'an as the start of The Silk Road... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.169.194.201 (talk) 14:35, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

City flower is possibly incorrect
I don't believe guava flower is the city flower of Xi'an,it should be pomegranate flower. I grew up in Xi'an and pomegranate was a local produce ,not guava which is a fruit that grows in tropical climate. However, I'm not an expert on flowers so i'm not entierly sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.151.226.89 (talk) 07:53, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Pronunciation
It would be helpful I think to indicate how the city name is pronounced. 128.111.146.209 (talk) 03:04, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * well unfortunately we do not have a file with the recorded pronunciation and there is no IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet) listed. for now on, go to the pinyin article to see some equivalents in English; "Xi" should be similar to English "she". Now with "an"... definitely do NOT interpret it as the English word "an". more like British pronunciation of "and", obviously without the "d". --HXL's Roundtable, and Record 03:38, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Mount Hua is not a part of Xi'an
Mount Huashan is not a part of Xi'an but the Weinan city.The photo must be delected or corrected.Jiangyu911 (talk) 04:41, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * New image (with the Bell Tower as replacement) uploaded. — HXL's Roundtable  and  Record  04:48, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * This appears to have been reversed? The images now include Huashan and do not include a picture of the Drum Tower; the captions and images are currently mismatched. 2001:B011:1005:56B9:3CB7:5ACD:9EAE:68A7 (talk) 06:33, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Sian, Hsian, Hsi-An, Xi'an, or Xian
What spelling should be used? Sian is the Postal Map spelling, Hsian/Hsi-An (depending on whether or not you drop the hyphen) is the Wade-Giles spelling. Xi'an or Xian is pinyin.

I would recommend Sian for three reasons.
 * 1. It is closest to the pronunciation of the word
 * 2. It is the name in many historical documents
 * 3. Postal Map has seniority over pinyin

OttomanJackson User:OttomanJackson 16:36, 18 October 2011 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by OttomanJackson (talk • contribs)
 * We saw a terracotta warrior docu last night where it was spelled with a Q, I think Qi'an or so. Sian could easily be mispronounced and sound like the old country name Siam. A uniform spelling though is definitely needed. 2001:8003:A928:800:8AD:9243:8588:846C (talk) 02:58, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Mt. Lishan redundant?
Under the tourism sites section, the sentence "Huaqing Hot Springs (華清池), at the foot of Mt. Lishan..." Since shan in Chinese is mountain, I believe the reference should be Mount Li (骊山). 76wins (talk) 05:33, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course it is redundant, and I have fixed it accordingly.  The Tartanator   16:34, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Mount Hua
I am ok when it is said the Mount is of the part of the city.If the statement is Huashan is near the city of not unter its administration,thats ok.Or, there must be a missunderstanding of the location of the mount. Thanks a lot. 华山不在西安市的管辖范围内，而是渭南市，如果提及华山请注明这一点，谢谢. Jiangyu911 (talk) 07:24, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 10:58, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Population
How is it possible that Xi'an defined as having 10 thousand square kilometers (sub-provincial city) yields less than 9 million inhabitants, but when we take into account only 4 thousand sq. km (metropolis) it performs almost 14 million? Isn't that a better idea to focus on the urban area which gives actually 6 million? Propositum (talk) 17:47, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

License plate discussion
This may have a place in the article if it were cleaned up and had some sources:
 * Several suggested abbreviations include Feng (丰, the city's first name when it was founded as the new capital of Zhou, meaning abundance, greatness, and bumper harvest), Hao (, derived from the name of Zhou dynasty's capital Haojing), or Tang (, from the name of the Tang dynasty).

Otherwise, we should just mention what the abbreviation actually is and if/when it changes. — Llywelyn II   01:44, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Photo gallery
The general policy is to avoid smooshing text between images if we can help it. I'll leave these here

since the current history section is too short to put them along the side and they don't seem quite interesting enough to put elsewhere in the article. Maybe once the history section or History of Xi'an article are longer, there will be good homes for them? — Llywelyn II   02:06, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Local Huis food market street
Something like this should be added to article. references:

Huis' street is a food market located in the central place of Xi'an, it was mainly built around late 1990s', it's been called the Huis' street, but it actually is an area taken place of at least six different streets of Xi'an city. As the matter of fact, there are more foreign tourist to visit and try famous food just as how many local people of Xi'an would pick it as a dining place as well, besides that, tourists from all over other different cities of China would pick this place to mainly visit in Xi'an as well.

Nestorian X, Y, Z, Z2, Z3...
shouldn't be bolded here (that's for alt names of Xi'an) and, indeed, don't belong in this article at all. Moved to the Nestorian Stele article. — Llywelyn II   16:28, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Prehistory dates back to 500,000?
What is the evidence of 500,000? Because Homo sapiens appeared at earth 500,000 years ago And they started from Africa not Asia

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New administrative division?
Is 经开区 (or 西安经济技术开发区) a new administrative division that we should add to this article? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 04:26, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Names of past dynasties in Xi'an
Hello, I think it needs to be edited about "Names of past dynasties in Xi'an". WANG XIAOLING995 14:13, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

To add to article
To add to this article: mention of the Xixian New Area (西咸新区). 173.88.246.138 (talk) 16:48, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Xian
It's correct to have the page here instead of at Xian, but 100% the alt spelling needs to mentioned before Sian in the lead. It's not formally correct under the rules of pinyin, but it is extremely common in English usage regardless and we already have a note explaining the issues in the name section. See and.

In fact, Ngram clearly shows Xian has been the primary form, is now still a common form, and Sian is now uncommon enough that it can just be mentioned in the Name section. — Llywelyn II   14:01, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Something is fishy about the census population
I noticed that the citation for the population in the lead does not match the actual number, which seems to be only found on a German demographic website. The population down to the person seems very odd for Chinese census results, which are often rounded. Is that number original research from the German website? I can't find it in the Chinese census. Mattximus (talk) 16:46, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

 * The exact population of Xi'an City will be written in the yearbook, and the information published on the internet may be an approximate number. 蓝叶艾伦 (talk) 00:07, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Xixian New District
Shouldn't we mention that the Xixian New District (西咸新区) has been established in Weiyang District? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 02:50, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

No glottal stop in IPA
Hi the IPA given for Chinese has no glottal stop between the syllables, but in the audio file there is a very prominent glottal stop.

I suspect this is a mistake in the transcription (I know in Vietnamese a glottal stop would be compulsory) but perhaps (as in English) the glottal stop is optional with the speaker just enunciating extra clearly. 82.37.100.240 (talk) 06:43, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

 * Indeed, the glottal stop is not phonemic in Standard Chinese, or any other variety that I'm aware of. Remsense  诉  06:56, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The transcription is in square-brackets so what’s relevant is pronunciation not phonemes. Regardless of whether it is phonemic, a compulsory glottal stop should be in the phonetic transcription.
 * Perhaps the error here is use of square-brackets rather than normal ones. Transient Being (talk) 22:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That's an oversimplification. Phonetic transcriptions may be at any level of detail. Regardless, if a glottal stop is not phonemic in a language, it's usually not compulsory. Remsense  诉  22:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * (Sorry I meant to say slashes not normal brackets) Transient Being (talk) 11:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

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Bourke Engine
Hi Greg,

I'm certainly willing to comply with guidelines. As tests have shown that the Bourke engine operates under the known laws of physics and chemistry, I would like to convey this to readers in a manner not to offend anyone, but to state the facts. Your help and suggestions are valued and appreciated. As a new contributor to Wikipedia, I may require some assistance due to the content of my article.

Dave Kirk Kirkolator (talk) 16:21, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Intro
WELCOME TO MY TALK PAGE. Remember to link to whatever page you are discussing, and start a new section if it is a different page. Please type in grammatical, correctly spelled, English. Greg Locock (talk) 01:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

'Bold text''When the detection system fails it is useless. Tech's are not able to fix it because the system resets if it starts working. MY GM z741 has not worked properly since I bought it. When I drive in Town on flat ground it reset and indicates no failure. As soon as I go into the mountains it says service required. I think this system should be eliminated. I have an 1992 S10 without all this crap and it dose YOU MEAN DOES great. This junk is a marketing piece of crap that should be disabled and not show up on the dash. The Tech's don't have a clue of how it works at the shop. Does anyone else have the problem with the auto trac and auto skid? Both lights come on and it is disabled. Might be better without it. Would love to have it not there. No message please!'''

Stick to one post
Everytime I leave, people insult me or the page or the company and do the WP: thing to show that its justified, and I kind of feel sad when they do that. Also, some of it is kind of mean so I want to say something back, usually along the lines of "that's not true". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Canadiansteve (talk • contribs) 04:12, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Modification of McLaren_MP4-12C
Inquiring as to why the licensing and related image reference was removed by you? Sorry for any ignorance on my part. Seyoda (talk) 06:01, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Beacuse it is just trivia inserted to advertise a game. Do you think we're stupid? Greglocock (talk) 06:06, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

BORING This is part of a landmark deal in which the ENTIRE McLaren catalogue has been licensed - 1st time ever. I think that's pretty noteworthy by anyones standards. The full text of the deal was published in Autoweek a very well respected authority within the automotive industry http://www.autoweek.com/article/20111103/CARNEWS/111109926 I absolutely respect the integrity of Wikipedia and this entry, but feel this to be more than trivia. Seyoda (talk) 06:36, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

 * Three different Wikipedia editors, myself included, have now removed that info as trivia. Wikipedia is built on consensus and it looks like we have that in this case. --Biker Biker (talk) 09:14, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Climate emails
Hi, I just removed your reference from a subtitle in the CRU email article. Please note that article is under a 2z rule. You could add the ref to the sentence, or expand slightly, or, better yet, discuss it. Experienced editors of the article are not rushing to add this latest development immediately. Yopienso (talk) 07:26, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Talk:The Age
Please contribute something intelligent to the discussion. In the absence of anything sensible, I will again remove the additions. Reverting my removal will be treated as vandalism. HiLo48 (talk) 09:39, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I did - I pointed out you had removed valid material from the article. Still, i have time for the next few days, let's see if you can support your ridiculous PoV, which basically sounded like WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Greglocock (talk) 10:42, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Bourke Engine
Hi Greg,

Thank you for your e-mails. I am the author of "Performance Testing a 30 Cubic Inch Bourke Engine" that appeared in the March 1980 issue of Sport Aviation Magazine. I am a mechanical engineer by profession and have spent 34 years in the engine industry. My colleagues have encouraged me to comment on the Bourke engine as they, as well as I, feel that legitimate facts need to be presented regarding this rather controversial engine. I thought it would be a good opportunity to become a contributor to Wikipedia. Please let me know if I now qualify to contribute and what alterations need to be made to my article.

Thank you and kind regards,

Dave Kirk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirkolator (talk • contribs) 17:08, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Greg, you just significantly damaged and removed about 2 days of careful work, putting in citations from the world's only authoritative source on the Bourke Engine. it would be greatly appreciated if you could discuss modifications prior to doing that, and to obtain a copy of the Bourke Engine Documentary book BEFORE going and destroying the efforts of contributors. i will now have to spend about an hour extracting the work done and reverting the damage that you've created. please don't do that again, thanks. Lkcl (talk) 03:55, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

It'd take 1 minute to restore it.If you are making significant changes then either discuss them beforehand or put up an under construction sign. Let me know when you've finished with the fairy tales.Greglocock (talk) 05:10, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Greg - please read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution#Discuss_with_the_other_party. now, please kindly apologise for a) assuming that i am acting in bad faith b) the various accusations that you've made.

primarily, you need to cease and desist from all actions and editing unless you have read the world's only authoritative source of material on this subject.

if you cannot trust that i know what i am doing, here, then i will be forced to take action, up to and including getting you banned from wikipedia.

apologies, but you are getting out of line, greg. Lkcl (talk) 12:21, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_assistance/Requests#Interference_from_an_under-informed_Editor_on_Bourke_Engine_Article

i've been forced to raise this with the wikipedia editors, greg. if you are going to make commits with the phrase "do you even understand the subject matter" then that is tantamount to vandalism - as well as violating the "trust" rules of wikipedia as well as being incredibly insulting.

i'm dead serious about getting you banned from wikipedia if you persist with the vandalism, insults and interference.

btw - i'm quite happy to scan and make available to you copies of pages of the bourke engine documentary if you cannot afford to buy your own copy - it's published 1968, out-of-print and there are a very very limited number of copies available left, anywhere in the world. you will have to promise to delete each page after you have reviewed each section Lkcl (talk) 12:36, 16 December 2011 (UTC).

"* The use of the Scotch Yoke reduces vibration from the motions of the connecting rod—for example, the peak acceleration in a Scotch yoke is 25% less than the acceleration in a conventional crank and slider arrangement. The piston movement and therefore vibration is sinusoidal so the engine could theoretically be perfectly counterbalanced, unlike a conventional engine which has harmonics in the piston movement courtesy of the lateral movement of the crankpin."

you deleted this section, greg, which indicates very very clearly that you do not understand basic physics and mechanics. imagine a crank which has radius of 10cm, with a camshaft (slider) that has a length of 10.5cm. due to massive sideways swing of the camshaft, the amount of time that such an arrangement spends at BDC is absolutely huge, whilst the amount of time spent at TDC is clearly absolutely tiny. if on the other hand the camshaft is of infinite length, then and only then will the motion of the camshaft be exactly the same as that of a scotch yoke.

if you cannot understand this then you need to cease and desist from editing this page. Lkcl (talk) 12:50, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

thank you for alerting me to a prior under-informed edit of the bourke engine page. i've removed the exact, precise and misleading "25%" of the prior under-informed editor on the section about the differences between scotch yoke and crank-camshaft acceleration. crank-camshaft acceleration graphs Piston_motion_equations actually vary with the ratio of crank radius to camshaft length. Lkcl (talk) 13:14, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Note to anyone who cares. The above user has been informed that I will ignore any comments he leaves here. Greglocock (talk) 21:47, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

 * I think it is time to sort this article out and remove the original research supported by the self published source The Bourke Engine Documentary. I will happily support your efforts. --Biker Biker (talk) 09:48, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Chevy Volt
Hi Greglocock. I would appreciate if you drop by the talk page so you can provide your input about my proposal to close the discussion regarding "Emissions & language". Thanks.--Mariordo (talk) 04:10, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Your abuse of process !vote
Hi Greg,

Today I tried to facilitate the discussion in a NPOV manner but as you can see another editor is being pretty obstinate with their own POV. Specifically, where you !voted "abuse of process" I recently inserted (keep) to help the closing admin quickly look over !votes. Since this other editor seems to think you did not vote "keep" I am suggesting you yourself revisit your comment and add that word, if it accurately describes your position. Silly, perhaps, but that's what obstinancy sometimes requires. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 16:54, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * PS, If you are interested, as I was posting this the other editor visited my talk page and I mentioned this thread in my reply here. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 17:00, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

NewsAndEventsGuy misrepresents the situation, as usual. First of all, you seem to have been unaware that the AfD had been closed in error after only having run a few hours, and was relisted because of the bad closing. Secondly, NewsAndEventsGuy should not be deciding what you intended to vote. If that's what you mean to vote, fine, but that's for you to say, not someone else. 86.** IP (talk) 17:07, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

 * PPS, 86 mentioned you here Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents, which is now closed.  NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 17:59, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

No personal attacks
Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. -- Phoenix (talk) 09:14, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

There, there little buddy, did I tread on your toes? Stop wasting my time and I'll treat you like an adult. Greglocock (talk) 09:25, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

 * Little Buddy? Hell no I'm a mix of Thurston Howell III and the Professor :P But What does that make you Ginger, Mary Ann or Eunice? -- Phoenix (talk) 09:45, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

 * I've told you before not to post on my talk page " I have explicitly asked UKP NOT to post on my talk page. Frankly arguing with him is like stepping in dog-shit (ie useless, deeply unpleasant, and memorable for all the wrong reasons)." So be a good boy and go away. I'm sure your last reply was deeply witty but I'm afraid those particular pearls are completely invisible to this little piggy. Go away, smarten up. Greglocock (talk) 10:28, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Wacky attack
Take a look at Sockpuppet investigations/Greglocock, filed by Phoenix who I think is on a fishing expedition, hunting for a reason to block you forever. You will likely want to weigh in. Binksternet (talk) 18:12, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

 * And since that has failed, for his next move he'll try some other forum to get me blocked. I imagine he'll succeed eventually, since I lack any particular interest in his silly games. Greglocock (talk) 01:56, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking recently that Phoenix had gone quiet on the Bose front, clearly he was busy brewing up this! "Two users... both interested in cars, technology and Australia?? Hmmm.... CONSPIRACY!!!" Have a good day, fellow real person. 1292simon (talk) 01:04, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Suggested reading
Since it appears that you do not know that " that a foreplane is sometimes called a "horizontal stabiliser". I thought you might appreciate the following bits of wisdom from the Wiki. Once you identify the editor involved you can follow his edits and make corrections.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tailplane&diff=502283568&oldid=501390903

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aircraft&diff=prev&oldid=502209104 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.18.227.88 (talk) 00:04, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

 * Life is too short. But nice idea. Greglocock (talk) 21:39, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

 * Beware of sock puppets bearing gifts. Someone clearly has an axe to grind and wants to drag you down with them into the shit they have created for themselves. Just my US$0.02 --Biker Biker (talk) 22:04, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

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Bourke engine
Take a look at the current discussion and actions at Bourke engine. --Biker Biker (talk) 07:03, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

MSC Software
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Altering my signature
I'm presuming this edit where you altered my signature which resulted in it changing colour was an accident but I'd just like you to clarify. Regards ★☆ DUCK IS JAMMMY ☆★ 13:46, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry JammyDuck, yes that was an accident. Greglocock (talk) 22:01, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries. ★☆ DUCK IS JAMMMY ☆★ 22:04, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

ATSE / FTSE question
What's an "SPA"? Thanks in advance, Pdfpdf (talk) 01:46, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

 * Single purpose account, AFD brings out the loons who somehow think that votes matter. Incidentally if you are going to make claims that I am not who I purport to be you are unlikely to be taken seriosuly by me. Big deal I know. Greglocock (talk) 01:50, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

 * Thanks. (With your explanation, I found WP:SPA.) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:35, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry for several reasons that you interpreted my comment as a claim "that I am not who I purport to be".
 * That was not my intention.
 * It was an attempt at light humour - it would seem that in that regard, it failed miserably!
 * I am really surprised that you found only one name you recognised. Surprised to the extent that I was expressing (trying to express?) disbelief that you didn't recognise other names - I never intended my comment to be interpreted as "disbelief that you are not who you purport to be".
 * I hope that clarifies any mis-understanding(s)? Pdfpdf (talk) 11:35, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Julia Gillard and The Australian
Hi Greglock,

Not sure this is the right spot, but I assume it is. The piece you have restored on "Stimulus Watch" is biased and POV. There is no question of that. You are taking what is in essence a campaign run by a newspaper that had the intention of expressing general dissatisfaction with the governments handling of the GFC and offering it as neutral fact. It was a campaign initiated by The Australian that actively attempted to discredit the government, a campaign that expressed an OPINION on the government, and its handling of a particular issue. Of course, there are other OPINIONS on the Stimulus, many of them positive, including the social and economic results of the BER policy. Yet it is stated in the passage in question that The Australian uncovered a now universally held position that the Stimulus spending was a failure. And not just that - "incompetent", "flawed", a "political embarrassment". This is OPINION. It is as partisan as it comes. Either edit it out completely, or include an equal amount of content by others expressing OPINIONS about the success of the Stimulus spending.

While I'm at it, shall I pop in to the opinion section and include a selection of quotes from various academics and political commentators who have expressed an OPINION on what is viewed as The Australians ongoing anti-labor stance, it's blanket use of solely right-wing, partisan commentators, and the damning charges of bias levelled against it in the recent independent media inquiry? Seems that would be fine, as POV is A-OK on this page.

Or shall I add a nice little referenced quote from Latham's recent article in the Quarterly on The Australian's handling of the AWU 'saga', which he describes as "a group of right wing fanatics running a smear campaign" that targeted a PM in a personal manner never seen before in Australia? You've set the POV precedent, so it seems only fair this OPINION also be included in Notable Stories, right?

Seamusdoe

ps. apologies for re-edits and versions, getting used to how wiki works.

Hi Greglocock,

Before I take this to WP:BLPN, could you tell me as to why you have added this BLP violation back into the article? since when was an opinion peice, from The Australian, in regards to a controversial issue involving Julia Gillard - in The Australian article itself - is okay?

Ever read WP:BLPREMOVE? — Mel bourne Star ☆ talk 12:25, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

 * Take it to BLPN then. It's investigative journalism into the public history of a public figure. if you need better refs then we'll find them. I'll put it back for you. Sadly i won't be on the internet for 2 weeks as of sunday, in all probability.Greglocock (talk) 00:50, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

 * Oh I will. Another user I see has joined the issue; and has presented probably better arguments than mine - but either way, content that is negative and improperly cited (as is in the article after your recent revert) - must be removed per WP:BLP. Regardless of the facts, whether or not such or such happened - controversial content of a living person must be removed. — Mel bourne Star ☆ talk 01:04, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

 * Greglocock - please step back a little, drop your anti-Gillard prejudice (at least momentarily - I'm not asking you to vote for her), and look at whether that really is an objective addition. Think about whether you could accept it if it was about Abbott, or another Liberal. Everyone except rusted on Lib lovers can see that the Australian is running an anti-Labor campaign. They can do that. Wikipedia can't. HiLo48 (talk) 01:56, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

 * I voted for Keating's ALP, and I think I voted for Rudd, but no, Gillard and Swan, no chance, not that Abbott fills me with any great joy. Anyway I agree that the AWU article is where it should be covered, I'd have thought a link to that made sense. Can we discuss this on the talk page?Greglocock (talk) 02:10, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

 * Yes. Excellent suggestion. So why did you change the article again? How about following your own advice? HiLo48 (talk) 02:34, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

I'll see where we've got to on the talk page. Anyway in general i see no particular reason why a newspaper's article should list stories unless they were truly definitive - say WaPo and watergate for example. Australia's parochial rags and their dabbling in Australia's parochial politics don't really meet that criterion. Greglocock (talk) 05:28, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Indian migration...
Hey there – thanks for your recent addition. I think it might need to be re-worded. I don’t think you’re saying that they are now the largest immigrant group in Australia – but that’s how it reads. I think you mean that the annual number of people immigrating from India to Australia is now the highest of all immigrant groups. Can you please review? Cheers --Merbabu (talk) 23:46, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Earworm
When rephrasing the opening line, I looked at multiple online dictionaries, one of which was the Oxford dictionary that defines it as a "catchy" tune. I thought a couple were referenced already, but apparently that's not the case. I'll add the Oxford one now. --GoneIn60 (talk) 06:12, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

My point is that 'catchy' is almost undefinable, and seems unnecessary as a qualification. In my case my favourite earworm was a Haydn string quartet, which may be catchy to some, but not many, including me, I think. Greglocock (talk) 06:29, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Excel Graph
I am trying to make Engine balance a better article, and recently found: File:Scotch yoke displacement.png which you contributed to Scotch yoke article way back in 2007.

The two graphs on the file is directly applicable to the explanation of secondary vibration, and I would like to use them in Engine balance. Would it be too much to ask for your changing: 1. 'Displacement' to 'Piston position in the stroke' 2. 'Scotch Yoke' to 'Sinusoidal motion' 3. 'crank and slider' to 'Actual movement' 4. Inverting the positive data in the top half of Acceleration graph to negative, negative data in the bottom half to positive (with X-axis scale left as is). 5. 'Acceleration' to 'Inertia Force'. for the use in Engine balance article?

If you have lost the excel file, no big deal, please tell me so. Yiba (talk) 09:03, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

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Forward engineering - Neologism?
Hey Greg. I have no problem with you reverting my change (I was a little iffy on it in the first place); however, you said it was because "forward engineering" is a neologism. Now, I'm not sure how old a word or phrase must be before it is no longer a neologism, but there are several sources with definitions of the phrase:

 * The University of Alberta (link)
 * The Free Online Dictionary of Computing (link)
 * Reference.com (link)
 * TheFreeDictionary.com (link).

Granted-- the UofA page seems to refer to a psychology, and the definitions are different from what I wrote. But is this not enough evidence that it is a real phrase and worth a small section on Wikipedia? --Zeldafreakx86 (talk) 19:58, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Per your note above, adding links to articles in question: I am referring to the change I made on Engineering (the edit), which I made after modifying Kleptography (the edit). A previous author wrote that a kleptographic attack was a forward-engineering attack, which is vague and I was unable to find any description of what this kind of attack was. I was able to determine what forward-engineering was, so I reworded the sentence to clarify. I wanted to further explain what "forward engineering" was. I considered creating a new article but I didn't have enough content, so since forward-engineering and "engineering" are closely related, I put it there. Let me know your thoughts. --Zeldafreakx86 (talk) 20:19, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

 * I think you'd be better off with a new article, in 30 years as a professional engineer I've never heard the term and it doesn't really seem applicable to engineering in general, since it is just a faux derivation from reverse engineering, with the approximate meaning of normal engineering. Greglocock (talk) 21:30, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

 * Strike that, move it to Software Engineering. That's great we can move all the software crap out of Engineering. Greglocock (talk) 21:37, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

William Tomicki: possible deletion
Dear Greglocock:

Thank you for your interest in my Wikipedia page.

My wish to delete my page was simply frustration talking and not at all what I wish. I would just like an accurate article about me posted without the controversy or criticism.

And I would be happy to provide more facts, backup or information to clarify any issue. I, too, seek an honest and properly researched page full of transparency and scrupulously honest.

Thank you.

Sincerely, William Tomicki

wtomicki@aol.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.125.71 (talk) 21:12, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't actually see much criticism on William Tomicki, I don't think it should exist, but if you are in fact notable then don't expect a whitewash. Greglocock (talk) 02:42, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

February 2015
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Ford Pinto
See page at Ford Pinto for a duplicate of this: Yes, this happens from time to time. The article had remained stable for years before the arrival of a single editor, who despite previous discussion sees fit to give the article a point of view about the controversy. Please do us all a favor and see if you concur that an example of the page history from a while back such as this edit from November isn't closer to neutral on the subject. Let's see if we can regain a consensus that keeps the Wikipedia article from being an attack piece. 842U (talk) 23:20, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Magnetic air car
Thanks, you are right, that there is no supporting evidence, other than the MIDI air car in France, and the Howard Johnson magnetic motor, as well as the air bearing turbochargers be ring tested by Nasa and Toyota. Hopefully you can see an integrated model in your lifetime, then we can put them into the encyclopedia. Science fiction influences real science. 174.240.2.77

 * Nothing wrong with air bearings, but MDI's car is a not a believable product 130 kph range, 80 kph speed, from 2 125 litre tanks haha and magnetic motors are bit hard to take seriously -quote from peswiki "As of April, 2012, we do not know of anyone who has successfully replicated one of these motors, though many have tried, and many are presently making an attempt. ". If MDI ever let a third part test the range I'll change my tune, at present they look at best like optimistic dreamers, at worst like an investment scam.. Greglocock (talk) 01:24, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

 * The energy density of compressed air—at any pressure that would be reasonable to carry aboard a car—is worse than that of even lead-acid batteries by volume, and by mass as well when you include the weight of the tank. And of course modern batteries leave the compressed air tank even farther behind. No amount of improvements further down the drive train (like low-friction air bearings) will fix this. You just can't store enough energy this way to build anything with performance comparable to a gasoline-powered car, or even a battery-electric car. Jeh (talk) 01:56, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

C2C
Hi Greg, please see my ideas for sorting out the extra books on the C2C page. In brief: I think you were right about the two newest additions and it certainly needs keeping an eye on. The Cowley one in particular comes back a lot and they NEVER discuss it ... cheers DBaK (talk) 07:36, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

September 2015
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You might like this article
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Australian large car sales graph
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Fastest Production cars
Hi Greg

I would like your input in a discussion I am having on the talk page about factory fitted options. I want to check our thinking is right, NealeFamily (talk) 07:34, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Editing another editors comments on a Talk Page
You might find this interesting: Talk page: editing another editor's comments. Note the part that says "The basic rule is that you should not edit or delete the comments of other editors without their permission."

 * And you shouldn't insert have inserted that sentence into my comment on the talk page, making it look as if I'd written it. A public apology is required as I was entirely polite about YOUR mistake. Here's the diff https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ford_Pinto&diff=prev&oldid=704996324  Greglocock (talk) 20:54, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

 * My bad!842U (talk) 21:47, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Pinto
I'm not sure if you have had a chance to look at the Pinto article updates. I'm still working on the large scale rework I had previously discussed on the talk page. Progress has been slow because of external commitments and because, well honestly, it's a complex topic to present. Anyway, you might take a look and give it your opinion. Springee (talk) 06:07, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for weighing in on the Grimshaw article. I would appreciate your input on some of the recent Pinto edits and concerns that I have attempted to raise on the article talk page.  Certainly getting a long time article voice might help.  In 4 days the new editor has added over 150 edits! Springee (talk) 03:38, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

FYI, 3RR discussion
I wanted to let you know that I quoted you as part of this 3RR discussion [] Springee (talk) 19:52, 11 March 2016 (UTC) This may have to be the answer Springee (talk) 00:18, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

WP:NPOV sources
Good day Greglocock, concering the the op-ed source here it barely falls under the What_Wikipedia_is_not policy but I rewrote the sentence to make it clear this is his own personal opinion as opposed to a claim since this is not backed by WP:VERIFY. But I encourage you to find at least two sources that are stronger. I think that it would be good to have a sentence or two about the controversies surrounding the list, but it needs to fulfill the WP:VERIFY criteria. I look forward to your constructive contribution. Thank you. Gryffindor (talk) 10:15, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

 * Hi. Please see the article talk page for a response to your poor edits. I am glad you agree that Phillip Adams is a non entity, as he is on the list. The same could be said of many others. Greglocock (talk) 01:15, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks!
For the only helpful answer on the braking question, so far. How embarrassed I am to have thought for some time now that your username was Grego'clock. Hehe. μηδείς (talk) 04:39, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Hot Air
Your points are spot on. But it is useless arguing with people who leap from the observation that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, to the invalid conclusion that that draconian political measures are needed to address this one very small variable in a highly non-linear system. You could have stopped with the words "according to the new religion". :) μηδείς (talk) 19:48, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

FYI, re: MacPherson strut
Sockpuppet investigations/Yarmohammadi.sadegh

No idea if this was even worth opening, but they're up to three obviously linked accounts and this content really doesn't belong, even on the more mathematical and relevant articles. SPI is so glacial as to be useless though. I hate carpeting Iranian accounts too, we ought to be more welcoming to the more distant parts of the community, but this really doesn't belong. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:39, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Now four! Maybe it was worth it. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:20, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Plural of "ABS" is the same as the plural of "ATM" ("ATMs"), etc.
I started a discussion about pluralizing "ABS" as "ABSs"--that is, "anti-lock braking systemS" the same way as we pluralize "ATM" as "ATMs," etc. Will you please show this other editor why that's correct with me?

Thanks if so, 174.23.105.242 (talk) 22:29, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

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Reply
I noticed the comment you left on my talk page, but it took me a while to understand exactly what you were referring because you didn't provide very much information.

What I think you are referencing is the fact that earlier today I undid some suspicious edits on Tesla, Inc. After looking into it, I noticed the issue. Allow me to explain my position. When I took a look at the recent change to Tesla, Inc., I noted that the letter "s", which had been in quotation marks, had been changed to "SEX". Further, the edit had been done by an unregistered user, and was flagged as "very likely to have problems". In my mind, the edit was very likely to be simple vandalism - someone simply added the word "sex" to the page, maybe because they thought it was funny. IIRC, I spent less than a minute on that page before flagging the edit for vandalism.

I realize now that I made a mistake, but its not hard to understand why. I mean, what are the odds that such an edit is NOT vandalism? Can you think of any other instances where changing something to "SEX" in an otherwise inappropriate place is appropriate. There may be a few, but I would argue that they are rare. I didn't feel that I needed more evidence to undo the edit, but reading through the whole section may have helped to clarify. In the future I may do so.

Anyways, apologies for the mistake. I hope you understand my position. Perhaps next time I'll spend more time before jumping to conclusions.

Yours, Triangleman3 (talk) 00:49, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

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Hi,, the reference desk page states the computing desk is for electronics in general. There does seem to be a lot of confusion over this. If you think it's worth changing this you might want to bring it up at the RD talk. It might be worth reviewing. --47.146.63.87 (talk) 07:52, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

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 * If clothes come from China why is calling them Chinese clothes racist? Should we disappear China? "Completely inappropriate"? Exaggerating much? How about "accurate"? What's your stance on calling stuff from the UK "British"?  Greglocock (talk) 10:41, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/AUS/Year/LTST/TradeFlow/Import/Partner/by-country/Product/50-63_TextCloth China is the biggest source of textile imports buy a factor of 8. Discuss. Greglocock (talk) 10:56, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Your argument is a red herring. You wrote "There are other businesses and most of us don't go in that smelly building full of Chinese clothes and greasy food vendors". Racist or not, it was inappropriate. Doug Weller  talk 13:21, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

 * Yup, I agree, it can be read as pejorative, and/or merely provoking, and/or accurate. Que sera. Greglocock (talk) 19:55, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

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Jan Czochralski

Jan Czochralski (, ; 23 October 1885 – 22 April 1953) was a Polish chemist who invented the Czochralski method, which is used for growing single crystals and in the production of semiconductor wafers. It is still used in over 90 percent of all electronics in the world that use semiconductors. He is the most cited Polish scholar.

There is evidence that Czochralski sheltered two Jewish women in his home until the Warsaw Uprising to save them from the Germans and some evidence that he was instrumental in financially helping a previously owned Jewish business in the ghetto.

Life and career
Czochralski was born in what was then Exin in the Prussian Province of Posen, German Empire (now Kcynia, Poland). Around 1900 he moved to Berlin, where he worked at a pharmacy. He was educated at the Technische Hochschule in Charlottenburg (today Technische Universität Berlin), where he specialized in metal chemistry. Czochralski began working as an engineer for Allgemeine Elektrizitäts Gesellschaft (AEG) in 1907.

He discovered the Czochralski method in 1916, when he accidentally dipped his pen into a crucible of molten tin rather than his inkwell. He immediately pulled his pen out to discover that a thin thread of solidified metal was hanging from the nib. The nib was replaced by a capillary, and Czochralski verified that the crystallized metal was a single crystal. Czochralski's experiments produced single crystals a millimeter in diameter and up to 150 centimeters long. He published a paper on his discovery in 1918 in the Zeitschrift für Physikalische Chemie, a German chemistry journal, under the title "Ein neues Verfahren zur Messung der Kristallisationsgeschwindigkeit der Metalle" [A new method for the measurement of the crystallization rate of metals], since the method was at that time used for measuring the crystallization rate of metals such as tin, zinc and lead. In 1948, Americans Gordon K. Teal and J.B. Little from Bell Labs would use the method to grow single germanium crystals, leading to its use in semiconductor production.

In 1917, Czochralski organized the research laboratory "Metallbank und Metallurgische Gesellschaft", which he directed until 1928. In 1919 he was one of the founding members of the German Society for Metals Science (Deutsche Gesellschaft für Metallkunde), of which he was president until 1925. In 1928, at the request of the president of Poland, Ignacy Mościcki, he moved to Poland and became the Professor of Metallurgy and Metal Research at the Chemistry Department of the Warsaw University of Technology.

In 1924, Czochralski patented a metal alloy known as B-metal, which was perfect for the manufacturing of bearings for railway carriages as it did not contain expensive tin. The German railways were the first institution to buy the patent. B-metal allowed trains to travel at higher speeds and played a significant role in the development of rail transport in Germany, Poland, the United States, the United Kingdom, and the Soviet Union. Czochralski’s achievements brought him international recognition. In 1925, he became the president of the German Association of Metallurgists. He was also invited by Henry Ford to visit his factories and offered the position of director at his new aluminum factory, but Czochralski declined.

After the war, he was stripped of his professorship by the communist regime due to his involvement with Germany during the war, although he was later cleared of any wrongdoing by a Polish court. He returned to his native town of Kcynia, where he ran a small cosmetics and household chemicals firm until his death in 1953.

Remembrance
As a way to commemorate him, a number of places in Poland were named after Jan Czochralski including schools and streets in such cities like Gdańsk, Poznań, Bydgoszcz and Wrocław.

In 2009, the Polish Post issued a series of four commemorative stamps. The stamp with a denomination of PLN 1,55 depicted Jan Czochralski.

In 2012, the Polish Parliament passed a resolution to name 2013 as "The Year of Jan Czochralski".

In 2016, a team of Polish mineralogists led by Łukasz Karwowski from the Silesian University and Andrzej Muszyński from the Adam Mickiewicz University named a newly-discovered mineral czochralskiit in honour of the Polish chemist. It was discovered during scientific works in the Morasko Meteorite Nature Reserve.

In 2018, a comic book by Maciej Jasiński and Jacek Michalski entitled ''Jan Czochralski. The Man Who Changed the World'' (Polish: "Jan Czochralski. Człowiek, który zmienił świat") was officially published. In 2019, a commemorative IEEE Milestone plaque honouring Czochralski's scientific achievements was ceremonially unveiled at the Warsaw University of Technology.

In 2019, a square in front of the Mill of Knowledge Innovation Centre in Toruń was named in memory of Jan Czochralski.

Citizenship
Jan Czochralski renounced his German citizenship, but the procedure was not formally completed due to slow administrative processes in Germany at that time. His brother was murdered by the Germans at the beginning of the World War Two.

Publications

 * Moderne Metallkunde in Theorie und Praxis, J. Czochralski, published by Springer, Berlin, 1924.

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Regarding Foucault being the lover: http://www.newcriterion.com/archive/11/mar93/foucault.htm Seems to be right. -- JeLuF 00:08, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)

a few points
au dela du hasard is part of the death of virgil.

Nietsche should be Nietzsche.

i believe the apartment fire was in late 1968. either in the fire or in the process of relocating, he lost the dossier for a work that seems to have been nearly complete: portiques du feu (the gates of hell), a choral work that was part of the death of virgil.

barraque might not have destroyed all or most of his early works, as griffiths' book suggests. it is true that he did not "acknowledge" any of them before the sonata.

i believe that barraque also did not acknowledge, or disavowed, his electronic etude, considering only his six major scores to belong to his true oeuvre.

a few opinions:

the cpo recordings by klangforum are not so "fine." aside from several sonata recordings, not including the one in the cpo set, there are no outstandingly good recordings of barraque's works that are commercially available.

the more excessive claims that have been made for barraque are not in my view excessive.

boulez is a much-overrated composer, and he has done much to bring this about.

barraque's relative obscurity is due in part to the lack of good recordings and frequent performances of high quality, and due in substantial part to boulez's influence and position in the industry.

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LGBT
We say absolutely nothing about his private life, yet still categorise him as LGBT. We really do need to explicitly justify why he's in those categories. --  Jack of Oz   [your turn]  19:54, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

For whatever it's worth, Alex Ross writes "for some time Foucault's lover was the impeccably atonal composer Jean Barraqué" at http://www.therestisnoise.com/2004/10/interesting_pie.html, and in his book Insult and the Making of the Gay Self Didier Eribon gives a more detailed account ("...it seems they were friends before becoming lovers..."). SethTisue (talk) 20:34, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Piano sonata
Why were there attempts, stretching over years, to get his sonata performed? Couldn't he just have played it himself? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.173.223.43 (talk) 09:54, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I take it that you are not familiar with the score, which is of ferocious technical difficulty. Besides, according to Paul Griffiths's article on Barraqué in the New Grove, "Barraqué himself was not a performer".—Jerome Kohl (talk) 17:15, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Footnote 8 should not be "failed verification"
The NYT article linked to, in its opening paragraph's final sentences, makes clear that Barraque had recently completed a few movements of his "Death of Virgil" cycle, including the work whose premiere is reviewed in that article -- as "a few points" below also states. 100.14.35.44 (talk) 19:40, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

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Soviet Military Administration in Germany

The Soviet Military Administration in Germany (Советская военная администрация в Германии, СВАГ; Sovyetskaya Voyennaya Administratsiya v Germanii, SVAG; Sowjetische Militäradministration in Deutschland, SMAD) was the Soviet military government, headquartered in Berlin-Karlshorst, that directly ruled the Soviet occupation zone of Germany from the German surrender in May 1945 until after the establishment of the German Democratic Republic (GDR) in October 1949.

According to the Potsdam Agreement in 1945, the SMAD was assigned the eastern portion of present-day Germany, consisting mostly of central Prussia. Prussia was dissolved by the Allies in 1947 and this area was divided between several German states (Länder). German lands east of the Oder-Neisse line were annexed by Soviet Union or granted to Poland, and Germans living in these areas were forcibly expelled, having had their property expropriated and been robbed of most of their belongings whilst in transit to the American, British, and Soviet zones.

Notable SVAG officials

 * Marshal of the Soviet Union Georgi Zhukov, supreme commander of SMAG, 1945–46
 * Marshal of the Soviet Union Vasily Sokolovsky, supreme commander of SMAG, 1946–49
 * Marshal of the Soviet Union Vasily Chuikov, supreme commander of the SMAG, March 1949– October 1949
 * Major general Sergei Ivanovich Tiulpanov, director of the Propaganda Administration
 * Lieutenant colonel Aleksandr Dymshits, director of the Cultural Department
 * Colonel general Vladimir Kurasov, chief of staff

Actions of the SMAD
The main purpose of the SMAD was to maintain the unity of Germany. It also had to deal with refugees, such as those resettled from Poland, the homeless, and former German soldiers. Resources were short, and the economy needed to be shifted from wartime production to peacetime. However, the Soviets were also concerned with their own well-being, and dismantled entire factories and railroads to be reassembled in the USSR.

In late 1945 a land reform confiscated the land of German nobles (Junker), to be given to cottagers and landless farmhands. Banks were also nationalized that year. In 1946 an education reform established separation of church and state in elementary schools, and heavy industries were nationalized under the guise of confiscation of the property of Nazi war criminals.

The SMAD set up ten "special camps" for the detention of Germans, some of them former Nazi concentration camps. In 1947, the started prosecuting Nazi crimes based on the SMAD Directive 201 with 8,300 verdicts passed.

Politics
A decree of 10 June 1945 allowed for the formation of antifascist democratic political parties and called for elections in October 1946. A coalition of four parties was formed in July, consisting of the Communist (KPD), Social Democratic (SPD), Liberal Democratic and (eastern) Christian Democratic (CDU) parties. This coalition was known as the Democratic Bloc, which would be succeeded by the National Front in 1950. In April 1946 the KPD and SPD merged under Soviet pressure into the Socialist Unity Party of Germany (Sozialistische Einheitspartei Deutschlands – SED). In the October 1946 elections, the SED won in the East German states, but lost in Greater Berlin to the local SPD, which had not merged with the KPD there.

In May 1949, when a West German government began to be formed, a German People's Congress (Deutscher Volkskongreß) was elected for the Soviet occupation zone. However, the only options voters had were to approve or reject "unity lists" of pre-picked candidates from the various parties, largely made up of communists. About two-thirds of East Germans approved the list for the new Congress.

In November 1948, the German Economic Commission (Deutsche Wirtschaftskommission – DWK) assumed administrative authority in East Germany under Soviet supervision. On 7 October 1949, the German People's Congress formed a provisional government and established the German Democratic Republic with Wilhelm Pieck as its first president. On 5 November 1949, the SMAD was abolished and replaced by the Soviet Control Commission (Sowjetische Kontrolkommission – SKK). However, the SKK did not formally turn over administrative responsibilities to the GDR government until 11 November 1949.


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Sergei Tiulpanov

Major General Sergei Ivanovich Tiulpanov (Russian: Сергей Иванович Тюльпанов; 3 October 1901 – 16 February 1987 ) was a Soviet economist and the director of the Propaganda Administration of the Soviet Military Administration in Germany which governed eastern Germany from 1945–1949.

Tiulpanov spoke fluent German. He was a strong supporter of Walter Ulbricht and of the Sovietization of eastern Germany. He closely monitored the activities of the newly formed Socialist Unity Party of Germany, which was to govern the country.

Tiulpanov considered himself a hardline Bolshevik, and fell from favor as it became clear that Joseph Stalin did not support his and Ulbricht's plans for the rapid establishment of socialism in eastern Germany. Tiulpanov was recalled from his post to Moscow in 1949 on the basis that he failed to report some of his associates that were convicted of betrayal.

From 1950 he was of deputy head of the department of political economy of the Naval Academy in Leningrad and then he became head of the department of political economy of the Budyonny Military Academy of the Signal Corps.

Tiulpanov retired from the military in 1956 and dedicated the rest of his life to academia, first as vice-rector of Leningrad State University, and from 1957 dean of the department of economics of modern capitalism that he himself had founded. In 1956 he received an honorary doctorate from the Karl Marx Leipzig University.

Tiulpanov died in 1987 and was buried at the Serafimovskoye cemetery.

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