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Talk:Alias (TV series)

Cast and Characters
Greg Grunberg was not an original cast member, he was a guest star in season 1 & 2 and was added as a regular cast member in season 3, whoever changed it needs to get their facts right.. Merlin5793 06:03, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Naw, really?
"Season One focuses on the development of Sydney's character, and allows the audience to become familiar with her." You have to be kidding me. 2603:6080:EF05:973B:A92C:EA34:1DCE:7D5B (talk) 00:04, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Production & Crew
i was looking at the Production & Crew section and well who is Michael Haro and why is he even on there? sure he's a Coordinating Producer but where are the others? I know for a fact that he isn't the only Coordinating Producer on the show, so why is he so special? Merlin5793 09:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I changed Las Vegas to Las Vegas, Nevada since there is another Las Vegas in the United States located in New Mexico. Merlin5793 09:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Spoiler
Should there be a spoiler warning for the plot summary? Granted, it doesn't reveal that much, but it does spoil parts of the first episode. Also, the character pages have spoilers, especially since I'll update them for season 4 this weekend if nobody objects. -LtNOWIS 02:50, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't think it matters. The show was advertised as the character being a double agent for the CIA, so it's really no surprise. K1Bond007 03:15, Jan 7, 2005 (UTC)

Episode names
What is the source that people are using for Season 4 episode names? Names have not been officially released. Are you using the names leaked through AllAlias.com or are you using some other source for the info? --SecretAgent 02:59, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Alias (television)
What is the general consensus about this article? Having procreated a separate article for each episode of the television series, each article looks slightly peculiar. There have been three seasons so far, each season having 22 episodes and each episode has a separate article in Wikipedia, with a premise which gives a resume of the action, as well as the cast of guest actors and their characters, director and writers. Not being seemingly very worldly-wise, am I being paranoic about this? Or am I being a spoilsport if I imagine this being slightly exagerated as a treatment for a television series? Or is it so super a programme that it is absolutely necessary to go into detail with a separated article like that? Am I wrong? Dieter Simon 01:02, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * A common thing newcomers seem to like to do is to "make structure" first, in the hope that it can be filled out later. But really wiki grows by refactoring, not by "fleshing out". So I'd say put everything in the series article, including characters, metaplot, actors, and individual episodes in one big article.  If the article grows so much (by dint of there being a comitted userbase who have put in the effort of writing decent content for it) then split it into three our four articles (say one main one, and one per season).  Only when that solution has outgrown convenience do we really need one article per episode.  It's not that more episodes take up more room (they do, but that's trivial), it's that information chopped up into such little bits is too hard for the reader to find. -- Finlay McWalter |  Talk 01:13, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * I remember asking myself the same question a few months ago. I noticed that the body of the episode articles seemed to be a copyright violation, but I wasn't sure.  Can you check into this?  If it is, then the articles on individual episodes should probably be deleted, which would solve your problem.  Acegikmo1 01:38, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * If they were just the paragraph plot summaries, I'd agree merge, but since they have so many other details that are episode-specific (director, writer, guest cast, notes), it would end up being about 130K, which does qualify for breakouts. Even doing one article per season would be over 40K, still well over the recommended 30K limit. For the record, in general, given a choice I would rather have breakout articles for episodes, rather than for every regular and recurring fictional character and object, as I think the episode articles are more encyclopedic, expandable, and comprehensive--they can not only include the things these are starting with, but also ratings, controversies or other notable response to the episode, etc. That being said, Unveiled (Alias episode) and Almost 30 Years (Alias episode) may be copyvios, as they appear to use the same text as several other sites, perhaps from tvtome.com or www.episodelist.com. On the other hand, since tvtome is using it, it may be from a press release, which, by definition, doesn't seem like it could be protected by copyright. If they are copyvios, it gets worse, because Truth be Told (Alias episode) does NOT appear to be a copyvio, so each one would have to be evaluated separately. (this is all based on my scanning those three named articles--if they are not valid samples, please suggest ones that are.)Niteowlneils 02:46, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * The episode summaries seem to be the shorter version of ones coming from the guide information released to the press at ABCMediaNet.com SecretAgent 01:55, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I think we should merge all the episodes for Season 4 into a single article with their plots and basic crew. It just seems ridiculous to devote an entire page to small paragraph. K1Bond007 05:21, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * I concur, since there doesn't seem to be much work being done on expanding them into full articles. I don't think the episodes should be listed as tv stubs either since IIRC that category is reserved for TV series articles. 23skidoo 06:29, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Done. I merged all of Season 4 into the article Alias episodes (Season 4). I'm probably going to do this to Seasons 1-3 too if no one objects. The original articles have been made into redirects, which I'll probably throw up on RFD sometime in the near future K1Bond007 21:29, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Oops, I never noticed this talk page before. I already did these merges for you — I hope no one objects. I thought having an article per episode was pretty ludicrous, especially considering the amount of redundant contextual information in each one. I don't really know anything about the show though. Deco 22:41, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Thats ok, saved me the effort - I was going to do it anyway. K1Bond007 22:49, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)

The episode information appears rather brief, like teasers in a TV Guide. I was wondering if it would be worthwhile fleshing out the episode descriptions to include more reminders of what happened in the episode? This would, of course, introduce spoilers but they seem to already be listed in the Character descriptions. Personally, I'm currently watching Series 3 so would be willing to update description as I watch, but I didn't want to change the content without discussing with you folks, since you have created the pages. to date. John Rotenstein 10:11, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh sure please do so. The Alias season pages copied Episodes of Lost (Season 1), but just haven't been fleshed out as much yet. K1Bond007 17:28, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * I've started doing so -- first one is Season 3, Episode 7. John Rotenstein 12:59, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The Covenant
There appears to be several references to The Covenant, but this linked article has nothing to do with Alias. It'd be good if somebody could write a simple article on The Covenant (or even a stub) and then we can fix the links to the incorrect page. (I'd do it myself, but I'm only up to Season 3!). John Rotenstein 12:59, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Well they're really only big during Season 3 and even then, not really. I don't know if it really deserves its own page. I'd rather see a page similar in style to Characters of Lost which gives basic info for each faction and etc instead of their own page. Perhaps a "Characters of Alias" or "Characters and organizations from Alias" is needed with links to the already established main characters and factions of the show. Something similar to List of Star Wars planets for reference. K1Bond007 20:15, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)

Non-production network categories
I reverted an edit by Postdif that removed Alias from categories involving networks that air the show but did not produce it. I disagree with Postdif's rationale that only production networks should be listed, as there are many examples besides Alias of shows being categorized by broadcast networks (examples include Danger Man, The Avengers, The Prisoner, The Saint (TV series) and others. To my knowledge there is no policy restricting these network categories and to delete them from this article would require corrections to many others. If someone can identify a Wikipedia policy that supports the removal of the categories, then please revert my revert. Otherwise I think we should have a few votes for or against before this change is made. Cheers! 23skidoo 05:09, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I agree with Postdlf here. It's logical to me that only ABC should really be used as a category because it is produced for ABC. The problem with your side of the argument here is that if you're going to list CTV and Seven, you should also categorize all the others and there are literally dozens of networks to list. K1Bond007 05:25, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * That's fair. I'm just trying to gauge whether or not there is an actual Wikipolicy about this, because if it is considered incorrect to do this, then there are a number of other articles that need to be corrected -- or else someone could just plop the two categories back here again later on. 23skidoo 13:34, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Kim Possible
Does there really need to be that much (or any, for that matter) about Kim Possible here? The note even mentions that the similarities are merely cosmetic. --InShaneee 03:46, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I say no. I don't think Kim Possible was really inspired by Alias so much as it was more likely inspired by Spy Kids and the like. 23skidoo 15:56, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

May 2006
Just to better explain my rationale for removing the May 2006 date from the infobox: Alias is scheduled to end in May 2006, however until May 2006 arrives it's premature to list it as a certainty. For all we know other factors may come into play. There could be a successful "save our show" effort, a cable network could pick it up, its ratings could skyrocket and ABC might change its mind ... or the ratings could bottom out and ABC might decide to pull the show sooner. Or ABC could decide to combine a few episodes and the show might air its last hour in April. It's fine to say ABC has scheduled the show to end in May, but to list it as if it has already happened is a bit too crystal ball. 23skidoo 04:37, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
 * There still ought to be mention of it, perhaps? It could be listed as a presumed/scheduled end date. Juansmith 10:36, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Errors in Season 5 Summary
I don't have time to rewatch the Season 5 eps and figure out the correct numbers, but the summary states that Sydney takes 18 months of maternity leave, and meets up with Rene Rienne "2 years later". Both of these timeframes are quite obviously false, since she's still pregnant when she meets Rene. Juansmith
 * It was vandalism. It's been fixed now. K1Bond007 08:19, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking care of that. Juansmith

Major spoiler in the ABC announcement of the show's return
Anyone who wants to avoid a major spoiler regarding the last eight episodes is well advised to avoid any press material surrounding the Feb. 28 announcement of the show's return. I just looked at the press release and had a major surprise spoiled for me (thanks, ABC). I guess with the show about to end ABC doesn't seem to care. 23skidoo 13:09, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Updated Information
I have just updated some stuff. I have tweaked the information about the Alias: Underground game by ABC a bit (it originally said it was an online game, which it's not. It's a downloadable game and is playable offline. No online gameplay is supported. It also said that it "was" available through ABC's site. I changed "was" to "is" because the game is still available through the official Alias ABC website). Also, I added the entire second paragraph of the "Links to Lost" division. If I made any grammatical errors, please do help me out and edit it. (By the way, I am IP # 203.177.238.10 -- I decided to register after realizing that people get credited for contributing information. LOL)

Partial rework of this article
I read this article as a familiar to the show but unfamiliar to the article. And I think there are a couple things that deserve to be reworked: Alias '' is an American "SpyFi" television series, created by J.J. Abrams. It first aired on September 30, 2001 and stars Jennifer Garner as Sydney Bristow, a CIA agent, usually seen wearing a colorful new disguise undercover on most episodes.''
 * 1) All the introduction text regarding the 5th season rescheduled should not be there ! It is so specific !!! Why not having it in the Timeframes sub-division ?
 * 2) The article needs a better Introduction. Except these above mentionned schedule talk, the introduction is quite empty:

I suggest that it mentions the action, hi-tech, "worldwide", ... aspects of the show. I can try to write a little bit of that, but I'm sure there are here great Alias ' experts that would do better than I could. Lvr 21:10, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No comment ? Bad idea ? Nobody cares ? Lvr 15:19, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Good idea. There should probably be a section that talks about the impossible hi tech gadgets and hacks that exists in the show... --Disembarkedone 04:51, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Season 6?
Why are you saying it is season 6? It is still 5, but ABC called it "the final season" probably for promotional purposes. There is no 6.- Puppet125- April 19, 8:38 PM
 * I concur, that season 6 part should be gone, there is no season 6, it's just the end of 5. Jondy 01:14, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Weird that people would be calling it a 6th season. It was just the fifth season with an unusually long gap in the middle. 23skidoo 04:33, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Mueller device (Big red floating ball)
I started an article for Mueller device, but it's pretty stubby. Feel free to embellish, since its a central element to the show. Mackerm 20:40, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Done and done. 69.129.200.176 12:19, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Added a images of the device from the pilot episode --Disembarkedone 04:50, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

UK: Channel 4?
I was wondering why 'Channel 4' is added to the end of the list of UK distributers (also without a comma preceding it). Has there been an announcement that C4 will start showing Alias, or is this just an error? Dt7 16:36, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Channel 4 showed Season One originally after it had aired on Sky One, they failed to pick up anymore Seasons which were then bought by Channel 5.

Cleanup
Now that the series is over, this article as well as its sub-articles really need a good cleanup. Updating tense, better and more concise summaries, are just a couple of things that need attention. K1Bond007 05:19, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Would also be a good idea to remove most ofthe allalias links, as the website seems to be "currently experiencing technical difficulties. We hope to have it back up soon." indefinetly. (ever since I can remember...) --Disembarkedone 04:57, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I took a stab at completing the season 5 summary and shortening it. I still think it's too long by about double but I'm not sure how to go about shortening it with any clarity. Feel free to hack away at it. Otto4711 20:40, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I've just severely cropped the season 5 summary, among other things on the page. I've tried to restrict the summary to the overall story arcs, rather than going into detail about the events in any one episode - that's best done on the episode summary pages - although I felt the text about the ending of the series should be left. Mike Peel 13:22, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I noticed the season 5 summary was huge. Thunderbrand 13:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks good. I fixed a couple of typos and added a half-sentence about Nadia's death. Otto4711 15:50, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Unresolved storylines
As the above-recommended clean-up proceeds, I'd also like to suggest an "unresolved storylines" section be added, since there are so many plot threads that were left hanging by the finale (stuff like who the Cardinal was, why Sydney was able to break a so-called unbreakable prophecy, etc.) 23skidoo 15:58, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * maybe we should start listing the unresolved story lines then. I don't think the Cardinal was really suppose to be a big issue anyway as i think it was simply used to explain tom's distraught/depressed state.
 * Please sign your comments. I disagree regarding the Cardinal. Although it was clearly a "make work" project for Thomas Grace and Rachel Nichols once it was realized the show was ending and the two wouldn't be replacing Vaughn and Sydney, there was still enough build up that I was very disappointed we did not get a resolution. As I mentioned in another forum, it's one thing for a 3-4 year old plot thread to be forgotten, but to skip over something that was introduced only 4-5 episodes ago is kinda sloppy, IMO. That said, I have never seen so many commercial breaks as I saw in the finale episode ... I bet there was one every 4 minutes or so. So to be fair to Abrams it's very possible such a resolution existed but was cut for time. 23skidoo 04:04, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess we will have to wait for the season 5 dvd release to find out. It also important to note that up until i think the middle of the season there were plans for season 6... and as far as Abrams goes, even though he is the creator and exec producer I have doubts on just how much input he had on the finales. oh and sorry about the no signature. --Disembarkedone 15:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I read an interview with one of the cast members ... I think Greg Grunberg or possibly Mia Maestro ... that the cast and crew started season 5 assuming it was going to be the last. But the characters of Thomas and Rachel had "spin off" or "continuation" written all over them, so it's possible Abrams didn't expect things to wrap up so quickly. On top of that, as noted, ABC actually cut the final series down by about 5 episodes. That had to hurt the storytelling. 23skidoo 03:12, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure it was Michael Vartan who was going around saying that season 5 was going to be the last after the season finale of 4. K1Bond007 03:57, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Jennifer Garner was the one that said that Season 5 would most likely be the last. Merlin5793 08:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Distributors
Now that the series is over, is this list still necessary? 23skidoo 03:12, 4 June 2006 (UTC) most countries have not finished showing the series. phexxa, June 4

Orignial Intentions
Is anyone aware of the intentions of the writers/producers if the show hadnt been cancelled? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.73.57.143 (talk • contribs).
 * Reportedly (according to Garner and others) everyone expected the 5th season to be the last one, although I don't think Abrams expected the season to be shortened by some 5 episodes which is IMO why a number of threads were left unresolved -- such as Thomas Grace and the Cardinal. What I had heard quite a few times was that the character of Rachel Gibson was introduced as an heir apparent for Sydney since there was some question as to whether Garner would continue with the show full-time after she gave birth. Similarly, Thomas Grace was introduced as a replacement for Michael Vaughn. Whether this was actually the case or not, obviously it became moot when the series was officially cancelled which is probably why Rachel (not so much Grace) really faded into the background at midseason. 23skidoo 13:45, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It might be made more clear when the fifth season DVD is released. Right now, it is somewhat confusing as the showrunners weren't completely upfront about all this, but 23skidoo's observations are correct, I believe. --SevereTireDamage 21:14, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It sucks that the show was cancelled.--Elatanatari 18:14, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Movie?
think aobut it J.J. Abrams may be working us over for a movie

Sark was never caught

that hting with isbel (her oyung daughter) puting that puzzle together and any other plot holes i may have forgotten

i tihnk a movie could be done

 * the movie is a possibility, nothing has official planned though and i don't expect J.J or any of the producers to do a movie any time soon.. Merlin5793 08:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Screencap of Season 2

Hi, I just loved how well this scene has been done and I was wondering if it is possible to put it on the article. I didn't want to put it cause the article seems neat enough for me to mess it up! But you'd probably find a place for it? -- Omernos 08:01, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Omnifam in Lost Experience?
"In addition, Sloane's Omnifam foundation may be involved in the Lost experience game." Does anyone have a reference on this, or is it just speculation? 216.41.135.32 03:46, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Sacrificing Nadia?
"With the series' end, it emerges that Sloane's ultimate goal is that of immortality, for which he sacrifices Nadia's life."

"Sacrificing" Nadia sounds like he did it intentionally... he really just accidentally killed her by pushing her into a coffee table.

 * I don't think he sacrificed her, he did murder her though! the sick thing is he chose some 14 century freak over his daughter Merlin5793 08:57, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Themes
What part of that section is considered original research since it was tagged? MartinDK 09:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Links to Lost section
The only real link to Lost is the use of Driveshaft music in one episode. That one or more actors who appeared in Alias also appear on Lost is not a "link." All it means is that the show's creator has worked with the actor before and, presumably, thought enough of them to cast the actor again. It's not at all unusual. Greg Grunberg was on Felicity too, because he's been friends with Abrams for decades. Do we need a "Links to Felicity" section too? The article itself already flatly states that most of the speculation about the connections is just that, speculation. The article is already bloated with actual factual information. This section needs to go. Otto4711 15:55, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

i agree, it should go.. the only reason they try and link it to lost is cuz J.J. Abrams is a co-creator and that's wrong.. Merlin5793 00:59, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Super Bowl lead-out box?
I'm unclear as to what this box is informing us of. What is its purpose? Otto4711 17:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

It's noting that in 2003 Alias followed the Super Bowl, and giving the shows that followed the previous and next Super Bowls.

Is that really interesting? Not to me, but maybe to somebody.

Jordan Brown 23:25, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow, that really seems...I'll be charitable and say trivial to the point of miniscularity. Otto4711 01:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Most original novels for a US series other than Trek?
The article for The Man from U.N.C.L.E. contained a statement (authored by me) that the two-dozen original novels based upon that series were the most ever published based on an American-produced TV series except for Star Trek. It appears Alias might now hold the record with the 25 novels listed. Does anyone know if any US-produced series (so Doctor Who doesn't count) other than Star Trek that has had more original novels? If not, this is a superlative that's worth noting. 23skidoo 03:24, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

International section
I'm unclear as to why this sections exists. It does not appear to provide information about the show and other similar sections and articles have been removed. Why keep it? Otto4711 19:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Season 5 Inaccuracies?
Under Season 5, it states 2 new members were added to replace Wiess and Nadia. In the show, no mention or Nadia's replacement is ever made, and Vaughn is the one who was being replaced by Tom (Wiess states that Tom is also his replacement, but no mention of Nadia is made). In addition, Rachel was never a replacement-she was added to APO because of her work for Prophet Five (which she believed was the CIA), and not because APO was lacking people. 67.175.168.17 22:31, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Fast Times
What? No mention of the shot for shot, move for move, complete recreation of the Phoebe Cates swimming pool scene from Fast Times A Ridgemont High? It's exact, including the Cars Music and the red bikini. I think it was in season 4.....

Alias timeline versus real-life timeline
The last paragraph in the "Timeframe" section is impossible to follow. I realize some math is necessary in order to determine if, in fact, the two timelines can be reconciled, but surely it can be broken down in a more coherent way. I recommend that this last paragraph be re-written. AMCsoldier 05:07, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

science fiction or not?
It's mentioned in the article that Alias is sci-fi but it's not part of the Science fiction television series category. Should I put it that category? 218.215.190.3 (talk) 08:02, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Who wants to be a millionaire debacle?
The article mentions as something of a throwaway line the "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" debacle, without actually explaining what it means. I'm going to edit the article to give this a bit more context; there's no mention of a debacle on the WWtbaM article, so I guess the article is referring to the fact that when WWtbaM's ratings fell, ABC had nothing to put in its place. 72.215.186.165 (talk) 11:44, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Spoilers in the cast and characters

 * I think it would be better if the cast section was put in a text fprmat, because, for people like me, who watched it on dvd, it let me know that Irina was alive when she had guest apparances in the fourth season. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.42.92.78 (talk) 10:30, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Prequel section
Can someone cite this or delete it? Jomunro (talk) 10:19, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

 * I can delete it. And will do so shortly. Carl.bunderson (talk) 21:03, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Co-Producer
Nice little edit-war, but why has the name of Tiffany Delorme to be deleted, when she was actually co-producer of the show? Gamgee (talk) 21:26, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Christian Slater notable?
Yeah, right. Can someone remove him from that list, please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.244.80.164 (talk) 14:59, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * While perhaps not as notable as Faye Dunaway, he is notable and shouldn't be removed. I'll move him a little down the list though, as it isn't alphabetical.— DMCer ™  08:05, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Strong Female Character Theme
I edited the section, fixing the spelling of Renée Rienne, correcting Kelly Peyton's name (not Emily Peyton) and removing Rachel Gibson and in place adding Anna Espinosa. I felt that to keep the list at a reasonable length, Espinosa was a better choice than Reed.

129.2.228.220 (talk) 08:39, 4 March 2010 (UTC)Sauln

Themes section generally
Can anyone who's worked on the Themes section provide some insight into where the information for the section came from? I'm inclined to delete the entire section as original research, but it's a lot of text, and I'd like to give its editors a chance to provide sourcing for it first. Townlake (talk) 18:59, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I took the liberty of deleting this section in accordance with your concerns. Perhaps someone can find dependable sources for the content someday. NTox (talk) 04:56, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

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Director? * beside someone’s name?
Why isn’t there a directed listed for this show? And why is there a * in Sarah Caplan* Robert M. Williams Jr.’s name? Is that their full name? Or is this two different people? Cool879 (talk) 12:56, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

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Michael Vaughn Main Character Page?
Why is there not an existing Michael Vaughn character page and a link to it from this page? At the least, a link should connect to his character page from the Michael Vaughn page with the two real life Michael Vaughn links, instead of pointing back to the Alias TV show page. The character appeared in 99 episodes. A few characters who appeared in fewer episodes have their own pages. I'm brand new. I'm not going to be able to do it anytime soon. - GivMeCoffee28 GivMeCoffee28 (talk) 04:56, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

 * There is an article Michael Vaughn (Alias) which was redirected to this article without discussion. I've reverted that redirect so you can edit that article. — Manticore  08:33, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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Accidents and incidents - Excessive detail
As the first two examples (American Airlines Flight 96 and Turkish Airlines Flight 981) directly relate to the cargo door design problem mentioned above, and describe subsequent modifications, I believe they should be left in. The rest could perhaps be moved to a dedicated page, as is the case for the Antonov An-12 --NthDegOp (talk) 17:54, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

 * Splitting to a dedicated article could be too much, I was thinking about trimming the summary for each accident to 1 paragraph each, and moving the details in individual articles.--Marc Lacoste (talk) 07:27, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You have a valid idea and I've gone ahead and done it with AA96 and UA232, but AA191 will be difficult to summarize in a single paragraph, because the summary actually discusses two separate but related topics: the crash itself, and the resultant withdrawal of the type certificate. Carguychris (talk) 17:05, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

 * Done.--Marc Lacoste (talk) 12:42, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

One incident which could be mentioned is the CP Air DC-10 V1 engine failure at CYVR in the early 1980s. It's memorable because real-life V1 engine failure data is so rare, yet so important for certification and pilot training. Henrilebec (talk) 22:40, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

DC-10
The image I still retain in my mind of this aircraft is that of 4 twin engines attached to the body at the back behind wings .I always loved watching it fly over my primary school in the 1960s (70kms) north of Nairobi). What I see in your photo as dc10 is a 3 engine one of the 1970. Feel abit disappointed . 41.81.171.53 (talk) 13:51, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
 * You're probably remembering the Vickers VC-10 (which did have four engines mounted on the rear fuselage, and would have flown over Kenya in the mid-to-late 1960s.Nigel Ish (talk) 14:02, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

 * An early 1960s DC-10 concept had four engines on the wings and double-deck wide-body fuselage. The 3-engine DC-10 first flew in 1970 and entered service the next year. -Fnlayson (talk) 14:18, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

 * Or it might have been a Soviet Ilyushin Il-62M (similar in appearance to the VC-10) which was in regular service at that time.Henrilebec (talk) 22:29, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Move request
For the move request see Talk:DC10 (disambiguation).  P.I. Ellsworth  - ed.  put'r there 09:38, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

"Death Chamber 10"
I've seen vandalism of the DC-10's page in which it refered to the Douglas Commercial DC-10 as the Death Contraption. Please, do not place the planes nickname on the page, as it is opinionated. Forevernewyes (talk) 23:12, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

 * I would also like to follow up stating that it is not an official nickname. Forevernewyes (talk) 06:34, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * There is no "official" nickname, i.e. manufacturer's nickname. Just Revert and Deny recognition for obvious vandalism. -Fnlayson (talk) 17:49, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah I know that the DC-10 doesnt have a offical nickname, the person doing it was an unregistered user and got blocked from editing Forevernewyes (talk) 17:57, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Right, I was trying to agree and reiterate on that. Regards, -Fnlayson (talk) 18:01, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

New Photo
Hey, its me! The guy that made the bolivian 707 crash article and I love NWA DC-10s. They are my favorite plane, and besides the Nagato-class battleship they are my favorite vehicle. I was looking thru photos on Commons and I found this picture of a DC-10-30 (below). I like the Continental Airlines one but this one in my opinion is a better picture. What do you think? In my opinion there are pros and cons to this particular image.

Pros: Good view of most major areas of the aircraft, better view of wings, slightly better quality.

Cons: Like current pic, the tail engine is partially obstructed, and there is a shadow on the bottom making it harder to see the gear, even though the view is better. Also, there is another, mediocre picture of another NWA DC-10 on this page, being a -40 variant.

KingAviationKid (talk) 20:58, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

 * I like the current Continental picture better, because this picture seems very dark overall and the right wing almost completely obscures the center engine. The engine layout is one of the main things that makes the DC-10 unique, so the lead photo should show it off.
 * I'll admit I'm a bit biased; I never liked the NWA "bowling shoe" livery, and I don't think it photographs well while airborne, which this picture exemplifies. Carguychris (talk) 17:09, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I personally love the bowling shoe livery on DC-10s in particular and this is also my favorite angle for photos kinda like the old boeing 747 photo with the pan am plane. the problem with giving the dc-10 a photo of this angle is that the rear engine gets obstructed by the big wings of the plane. VARIG DC-10-30; PP-VMX@ZRH;02.10.1995 (8352860335).jpg Ariana Afghan Airlines DC-10-30 YA-LAS 1980-8-10.png
 * KingAviationKid (talk) 17:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

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The Crab with the Golden Claws

The Crab with the Golden Claws (Le Crabe aux pinces d'or) is the ninth volume of The Adventures of Tintin, the comics series by Belgian cartoonist Hergé. The story was serialised weekly in Le Soir Jeunesse, the children's supplement to Le Soir, Belgium's leading francophone newspaper, from October 1940 to October 1941 amidst the German occupation of Belgium during World War II. Partway through serialisation, Le Soir Jeunesse was cancelled and the story began to be serialised daily in the pages of Le Soir. The story tells of young Belgian reporter Tintin and his dog Snowy, who travel to Morocco to pursue a gang of international opium smugglers. The story marks the first appearance of main character Captain Haddock.

The Crab with the Golden Claws was published in book form shortly after its conclusion. Hergé continued The Adventures of Tintin with The Shooting Star, while the series itself became a defining part of the Franco-Belgian comics tradition. In 1943, Hergé coloured and redrew the book in his distinctive ligne-claire style for Casterman's republication. The Crab with the Golden Claws introduces the supporting character Captain Haddock, who became a major fixture of the series. The book is the first Tintin adventure published in the United States and the first to be adapted into a motion picture. The Crab with the Golden Claws was adapted for the 1947 stop motion film of the same name, the 1956 Belvision Studios animation Hergé's Adventures of Tintin, the 1991 Ellipse/Nelvana animated series The Adventures of Tintin, the feature film The Adventures of Tintin: The Secret of the Unicorn (2011) directed by Steven Spielberg, and the film's tie-in video game.

Synopsis
Tintin is informed by Thomson and Thompson of a case involving a drowned sailor, found with a scrap of paper from what appears to be a tin of crab meat with the word "Karaboudjan" scrawled on it. His subsequent investigation and the kidnapping of a Japanese man interested in giving him a letter leads Tintin to a ship called the Karaboudjan, where he is abducted by a syndicate of criminals who have hidden opium in the crab tins. Tintin escapes from his locked room after Snowy chews through his bonds and encounters Captain Haddock, an alcoholic sea captain, who is manipulated by his first mate, Allan, and is unaware of his crew's criminal activities. Fooling Allan and his men, Tintin, Snowy, and Haddock escape the ship in a lifeboat after sending a radio message to the police.

Stranded at sea, a seaplane tries to attack them; Tintin and the Captain hijack the plane, tie up the pilots, and try to reach Spain. Haddock's drunken behaviour in a storm causes them to crash-land in the Sahara desert instead, where the pilots escape. After trekking across the desert and nearly dying of dehydration, Tintin and Haddock are rescued and taken to a French outpost, where they hear on the radio that the storm has sunk the Karaboudjan. They travel to Bagghar, a Moroccan port, and are attacked by Tuareg tribesmen along the way. In Bagghar, the Captain recognises the Karaboudjan disguised as another ship, but he is kidnapped by his former crewmen. Meanwhile, Tintin meets Thomson and Thompson and learn that wealthy merchant Omar Ben Salaad sells the crab tins that are used to smuggle the opium.

While Thomson and Thompson discreetly investigate Ben Salaad, Tintin tracks down Allan and the rest of the gang and saves Captain Haddock, but they both become intoxicated by the fumes from wine barrels breached in a shootout with the villains. Haddock chases a gang-member from the cellar to an entrance behind a bookcase in Salaad's house. Upon sobering up, Tintin discovers a necklace of a crab with golden claws on the now-subdued owner of the wine cellar, Omar ben Salaad, and realizes that he is the leader of the drug cartel. Allan steals a boat and tries to escape, but Tintin captures him. The police arrest the gang and free the Japanese man, who introduces himself as Bunji Kuraki, a police detective who was trying to warn Tintin of the group he was up against. He had been investigating the sailor on Haddock's crew who drowned; the sailor was on the verge of bringing him opium before he was eliminated. Turning on the radio, Tintin learns that, thanks to him, the entire organisation of the Crab with the Golden Claws is behind bars.

Background
As the Belgian army clashed with the invading Germans in May 1940, Hergé and his wife fled by car to France along with tens of thousands of other Belgians, first staying in Paris and then heading south to Puy-de-Dôme, where they remained for six weeks. On 28 May, Belgian King Leopold III officially surrendered the country to the German army to prevent further killing, a move that Hergé agreed with. Germany placed Belgium under occupation. Hergé followed the king's request that all civilians who had fled the country return; he arrived back in Brussels on 30 June. There, he found that an officer of the German army's Propagandastaffel occupied his house, and he also faced financial trouble, as he owed back taxes yet was unable to access his financial reserves (his fee due from Casterman eventually arrived). All Belgian publications were now under the control of the German occupying force. The Catholic publication Le Vingtième Siècle and its supplement Le Petit Vingtième, where Hergé had always worked serialising The Adventures of Tintin, no longer had permission to continue publication. Land of Black Gold, the story that Hergé had been serialising there, had to be abandoned. Victor Matthys, the Rexist editor of Le Pays Réel, offered Hergé employment as a cartoonist, but Hergé perceived Le Pays Réel as an explicitly political publication and thus declined the position.

Instead, he accepted a position with Le Soir, Belgium's largest Francophone daily newspaper. Confiscated from its original owners, the German authorities permitted Le Soir to reopen under the directorship of Belgian editor Raymond De Becker, although it remained firmly under Nazi control, supporting the German war effort and espousing anti-Semitism. After joining Le Soir on 15 October, Hergé created its new children's supplement, Le Soir Jeunesse. Appointed editor of this supplement, he was aided by old friend Paul Jamin and the cartoonist Jacques Van Melkebeke. The first issue of Le Soir Jeunesse was published with a large announcement across the cover: "Tintin et Milou sont revenus!" ("Tintin and Snowy are Back!"). Some Belgians were upset that Hergé was willing to work for a newspaper controlled by the occupying Nazi administration; he received an anonymous letter from "the father of a large family" asking him not to work for Le Soir, fearing that The Adventures of Tintin would now be used to indoctrinate children in Nazi ideology, and that as a result "they will no longer speak of God, of the Christian family, of the Catholic ideal ... [How] can you agree to collaborate in this terrible act, a real sin against Spirit?" Hergé however was heavily enticed by the size of Le Soir's readership, which reached 600,000, far more than what Le Vingtième Siècle had been able to accomplish. Faced with the reality of Nazi oversight, Hergé abandoned the overt political themes that had pervaded much of his earlier work, instead adopting a policy of neutrality. Without the need to satirise political types, Harry Thompson observed that "Hergé was now concentrating more on plot and on developing a new style of character comedy. The public reacted positively".

Publication

The Crab with the Golden Claws began serialisation in Le Soir Jeunesse on 17 October 1940. However, on 8 May 1941, a paper shortage caused by the ongoing war led to Le Soir Jeunesse being reduced to four pages, with the length of the weekly Tintin strip being cut by two-thirds. Several weeks later, on 3 September, the supplement disappeared altogether, with The Crab with the Golden Claws being moved into Le Soir itself in September, where it became a daily strip. As a result, Hergé was forced to alter the pace at which his narrative moved, as he had to hold the reader's attention at the end of every line. As with earlier Adventures of Tintin, the story was later serialised in France in the Catholic newspaper Cœurs Vaillants from 21 June 1942.

Following serialisation, Casterman collected together and published the story in book form in 1941; the last black-and-white Tintin volume to be released. For this collected edition, Hergé thought of renaming the story, initially considering The Red Crab (to accompany earlier adventures The Blue Lotus and The Black Island) before re-settling on Le Crabe aux pinces d'or (The Crab with the Golden Claws). Hergé became annoyed that Casterman then sent the book to the printers without his final approval. Nevertheless, as a result of Le Soir's publicity, book sales markedly increased, to the extent that most of the prior Adventures of Tintin were reprinted as a result. German authorities made two exceptions: Tintin in America and The Black Island could not be reprinted at the time because they were set in the United States and Britain respectively, both of which were in conflict with Germany.

The serial introduced the character of Captain Haddock. Haddock made his first appearance in Le Soir adjacent to an advert for the anti-Semitic German film, Jud Süß. Hergé chose the name "Haddock" for the character after his wife, Germaine Remi, mentioned "a sad English fish" during a meal. The inclusion of the Japanese police detective Bunji Kuraki as an ally of Tintin's in this story was possibly designed to counterbalance Hergé's portrayal of the Japanese as the antagonists in his earlier story, The Blue Lotus, particularly given that the occupying government was allied with Japan at the time. The use of Morocco as a setting was likely influenced by The White Squadron a novel by French writer Joseph Peyré, which had been adapted into an Italian film in 1936 (Hergé had read the novel and seen the film). The depiction of the French Foreign Legion in North Africa was possibly influenced by P. C. Wren's novel Beau Geste (1925) or its cinematic adaptations in 1926, 1928, and 1939.

Whereas Hergé's use of Chinese in The Blue Lotus was correct, the Arabic script employed in The Crab with the Golden Claws was intentionally fictitious. Many of the place names featured in the series are puns: the town of Kefheir was a pun on the French Que faire? ("what to do?") while the port of Bagghar derives from the French bagarre (scrape, or fight). The name of Omar ben Salaad is a pun meaning "Lobster Salad" in French.

In February 1942, Casterman suggested to Hergé that his books be published in a new format; 62-pages rather than the former 100 to 130 pages, and now in full colour rather than black-and-white. He agreed to this, and in 1943 The Crab with the Golden Claws was re-edited and coloured for publication as an album in 1944. Due to the changes in how the adventure had been serialised at Le Soir, the album at this juncture was only 58 pages long, and thus Hergé filled the missing pages with four full-page colour frames, thus bringing it up to the standard 62-page format. The Crab with the Golden Claws contained one of Hergé's two favourite illustrations from The Adventures of Tintin. It depicts Berbers reacting to Haddock's manic ravings, eventually becoming terrified of him and running away. Hergé described the action as "a series of movements, broken up and distributed among several characters. It could have been the same individual, lying down first, then getting up slowly, hesitating and finally running away. It's like a short cut in space and time".

In the 1960s, The Crab with the Golden Claws, along with King Ottokar's Sceptre, became the first Tintin adventures published in the United States, by Golden Press. Meanwhile, Casterman, working with the American publisher Western Publishing, made a number of changes: Jumbo, the sailor who Tintin leaves bound and gagged in Captain Haddock's cabin, as well as another man who beats Haddock in the cellar, could not be black Africans as depicted in the original; these were changed to a white sailor and an Arab due to the American publisher's concerns depicting blacks and whites mixing together. The accompanying text was not changed and Haddock still refers to the man who beat him as a "Negro". Also by request of the Americans, scenes of Haddock drinking directly from bottles of whiskey on the lifeboat and the plane were blanked out, keeping only the text. The edited albums later had their blanked areas redrawn by Hergé to be more acceptable, and they appear this way in published editions around the world. Casterman republished the original black-and-white version of the story in 1980, as part of the fourth volume in their Archives Hergé collection. In 1989, they then published a facsimile version of that first edition.

Critical analysis
Hergé biographer Benoît Peeters described the story as a "rebirth" for The Adventures of Tintin and described the addition of Haddock as "a formidable narrative element", one which "profoundly changed the spirit of the series". Elsewhere, he asserts that it is Haddock's appearance which "makes this book so memorable" and that he is tempted to define the book by that character's début. Fellow biographer Pierre Assouline commented that The Crab with the Golden Claws had "a certain charm" stemming from its use of "exoticism and colonial nostalgia, for the French especially, evoking their holdings in North Africa". Michael Farr asserted that the arrival of Haddock was the most "remarkable" element of the story, offering the series "tremendous new potential". He also thought that the dream sequences reflected the popularity of surrealism at the time, and that the influence of cinema, in particular the films of Alfred Hitchcock, is apparent in the story.

Jean-Marc Lofficier and Randy Lofficier described the story as "a thinly-disguised remake of Cigars of the Pharaoh", an Adventure of Tintin which had been first serialised in 1934. Both feature the smuggling of opium, in crab tins and cigars respectively, and "desert treks, hostile tribes and, at the end, the infiltrating of a secret underground lair". They also opined that artistically, the story represented "a turning point in Hergé's career", because he had to switch to a daily format in Le Soir, although as a result of this they felt that the final third of the story "seems rushed". Stating that the inclusion of a Japanese detective investigating drug smuggling in the Mediterranean makes no sense within the context of 1940s Europe, they ultimately awarded the story three out of five stars.

Literary critic Jean-Marie Apostolidès of Stanford University, in a psychoanalytical review of The Crab with the Golden Claws, commented that this book witnessed Tintin's "real entrance into the community of human beings" as he gains an "older brother" in Haddock. He also believed that the recurring image of alcohol throughout the story was symbolic of sexuality. In particular, he believed that there was a strong homoerotic subtext between Haddock and Tintin, represented in the two delirious sequences; in one, Haddock envisions Tintin as a champagne bottle frothing at the top (thereby symbolising an ejaculating penis), while in the other, Tintin dreams that he is trapped inside a bottle, with Haddock about to stick a corkscrew into him (thereby symbolising sexual penetration). However, Apostolidès notes, in both instances the pair are prevented from realising their sexual fantasies. Literary critic Tom McCarthy concurred with Apostolidès on this point, also highlighting what he perceived as homoerotic undertones to these two scenes. He also noted that in this Adventure, the manner in which a chance finding of a tin can on a Belgian street leads Tintin into the story is representative of the recurring theme of "Tintin the detective" found throughout the series.

Adaptations
In 1947, the first Tintin motion picture was created: the stop motion-animated feature film The Crab with the Golden Claws, faithfully adapted by producer Wilfried Bouchery for Films Claude Misonne. It was first shown at the ABC Cinema on 11 January for a group of invited guests. It was screened publicly only once, on 21 December of that year, before Bouchery declared bankruptcy and fled to Argentina.

In 1957, the animation company Belvision Studios produced a string of colour adaptations based upon Hergé's original comics, adapting eight of the Adventures into a series of daily five-minute episodes. The Crab with the Golden Claws was the fifth such story to be adapted, being directed by Ray Goossens and written by Greg, himself a well-known cartoonist who in later years would become editor-in-chief of Tintin magazine.

In 1991, a second animated series based upon The Adventures of Tintin was produced, this time as a collaboration between the French studio Ellipse and the Canadian animation company Nelvana. Adapting 21 of the stories into a series of episodes, each 42 minutes long, with most stories spanning two episodes, The Crab with the Golden Claws was the seventh story produced in the series. Directed by Stéphane Bernasconi, critics have praised the series for being "generally faithful", with compositions having been actually directly taken from the panels in the original comic book.

A 2011 motion capture feature film directed by Steven Spielberg and produced by Peter Jackson was released in most of the world October–November 2011, under the title The Adventures of Tintin: The Secret of the Unicorn, and in the US on 21 December, where it was simply titled The Adventures of Tintin. The film is partially based on The Crab with the Golden Claws, combined with elements of The Secret of the Unicorn and Red Rackham's Treasure. A video-game tie-in to the movie was released in October 2011.

In popular culture
In The Simpsons episode "In the Name of the Grandfather" Bart Simpson makes a derogatory remark about Belgium, causing his mother Marge to threaten him with "taking his Tintins away", whereupon Bart clutches a copy of the Tintin album The Crab with the Golden Claws to his chest, promising he'll behave.

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Hognose is Kevin "Hognose" O'Brien  US Citizen. Veteran (Army, SF) underemployed techie History buff Aviation Journalist and a few other boring things

Check your facts
Kevin, you should be more careful when editting articles. In the fire marshal entry to made a correction that was less accurate that the initial mistake. John Lindsay wasn't mayor in 1965, Robert F. Wagner Jr. was. Abe Beame didn't become mayor till '74. Lindsey was elected in '65 and became mayor Jan. 1 '66. You could have verified that right here on Wikipedia. You say you're a journalist, journalists are supposed to check their facts.Lenbrazil 12:41, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

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Recent addition
Regarding the most recent addition, it's very interesting, but... I'm not sure I agree with the assertion that Flight 714 is a "very big departure from the safe world of comics." In Cigars of the Pharoah we had kidnapping, drug running, gun running, assassination through insanity, etc. so Tintin has seen a lot of violence. (Carreidas's interrogation is more of a comedy moment, as he and Rastapopulous are reduced to the level of children.) The associated statement that this is in the manga tradition is also something I don't quite agree with.

And does it ever say that the little guy is a Russian physicist? - mako 20:10, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Also, given that this comic was released in 1968 and presumuably started a while before that, one most wonder whether Herge had even been exposed to magna. The increasing exposure of magna and other Japanese comic and cartoon forms to the West only appears to me to have started in the 80s or perhaps the late 70s. Therefore I suspect Herge was probably not that well aware of magna. Also, there was also slavery in one of the books and various murders and attempted murders in many of the books so I would have to say the person who wrote this now removed comment appears to know very little about the Tintin books and appears to have little thought or understanding of their addition Nil Einne 03:52, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Although in retrospect as a comic artist he probably had more exposure to such things then the average person. I'm still not convinced of any magna connection though Nil Einne (talk) 20:29, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Original research and POV
I removed the following, which read like the theories and opinions of one fan. If I'm wrong, please return them with citations.
 * In addition Laszlo Carreidas, a business and aircraft tycoon who refuses to shake hands ("it is extremely unhygienic," he says) brings to mind Howard Hughes.

 * ''In this album, Hergé chose to ridicule some of his own characters (notably Allan and Rastapopoulos). This was the beginning of a process he would continue in the next and final complete book, Tintin and the Picaros. Many fans were disappointed by this and considered Hergé was damaging his own legacy.

The Singing Badger 03:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

 * The second paragraph there summarises a view I've read in other places as well, e.g. Michael Farr's book on Tintin. I don't know if that counts as a good enough "source" for Wikipedia purposes though. 84.70.174.155 21:41, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Ironically our Ideology of Tintin claims he's based on Marcel Dassault although this is unsourced. Nil Einne (talk) 20:27, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

The claim in the opening paragraph that the book is “unusual in the Tintin series for its science fiction and paranormal influences” is POV, and also fundamentally incorrect: the books are full of paranormal activity, including remote hypnosis (by the fakir in “Cigars”, who can entrance people by gesturing at them, rather than “conventional” means), levitation (the monk who floats in “Tibet”), dowsing (Calculus with his pendulum), premonition and mind-reading (Madame Yamillah, in “Crystal Balls”), “voodoo”-style incapacitating of people remotely (the Inca using dolls make the unconcious explorers writhe in “Crystal Balls”/ “Prisoners”), and Tintin’s mystical connection with Tchang, which awakens him from sleep as Tchang’s ’plane crashes in “Tibet”. As for science fiction, even if one rules out making a trumpet to speak to elephants in their own language, the presence of a book about a search for a “shooting star” that posses the power to make apples and spiders grow to immense size, a two-volume trip to the Moon in an atomic rocket-ship, and an album devoted to the struggle to gain the secrets of a secret weapon able to destroy cities by projecting an ultra-sonic “ray” (although the look of the device is based on an experimental Nazi weapon, that was not ultrasonic, and not designed as a building leveller), suggests that science-fiction was a common element in the books. It may be that 714 is the only book in the series which suggests that there is extra terrestrial life, but that is about as far as the claim should go, and possibly isn’t even notable, given that it’s just a plot-point (or rather is no more notable in as far as it is something which pertains only to this story in the way the Yeti only pertains to “Tibet”, and doesn’t overturn any established themes from another book). Jock123 (talk) 14:28, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Flight 714 to Sydney?
I was in Standfords (the travel bookshop) the other day, when I noticed a stand full of Tintin comics. Glancing over it, I noticed with interest that this comic was labelled "Flight 714 to Sydney", "to Sydney" in sub-heading. Anyone care to elaborate whether this was a recent change or not (as I COULD'VE sworn it used to be "Flight 714" & the image on the wiki page confirms this.)

TIA! Mrdini

It's a change made by Egmont.

 * But why? Muzilon (talk) 03:33, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

 * Talk pages are for discussing ways to improve the article, not for general conversation about the article's subject. See WP:TALK. Prhartcom (talk) 12:40, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

 * We are "discussing" the fact that the latest English translation has a slightly different title from earlier editions, and the article could probably be "improved" by mentioning this fact. Muzilon (talk) 04:09, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

This news article contains such an image.--  Auric    talk  12:17, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

I believe the article's title should be changed to reflect the current publication's title. "Flight 714" should redirect to "Flight 714 to Sydney".Hellboybookeeper (talk) 03:04, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The title wasn’t changed by Egmont, or at least not by their say-so. The story, anecdotally, is that at the first “Tintin Festival” in Brussels, someone approached Nick Rodwell of Moulinsart and asked if there was any reason that the book *wasn’t* called “Flight 714 to Sydney” to mirror the French, and he said no, not that he knew of, and he would find out if it could be changed. It changed soon after. Jock123 (talk) 14:43, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * The long title is a bit of a misnomer as Tintin & Co never actually get to Sydney during the story. Maybe the English publishers wanted to avoid giving readers the misleading impression that the book is set in Australia? --Muzilon (talk) 23:00, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Missing pages
Have the missing pages ever been reprinted, anywhere? 惑乱 分からん * \)/ (\ (< \) (2 /) /)/ * 22:37, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Is there any other source than http://www.tintinmilou.free.fr for this info? I find it strange that there appears to be so little information on this online. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 18:32, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * suggests there is some source although it would have to be checked. The info has been removed from the article anyway Nil Einne (talk) 20:32, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Lesser Sunda Islands?
There are 'Sondonesian' freedom fighters on Pulau-pulau Bompa, but this fictionary island is in the Celebes Sea (see page 59) or -more likely- at the entrance to the Makassar Strait (see pages 59-60) coming from Sumbawa. The radio station on page 59 claims that Pulau-pulau Bompa is in the Celebes Sea. The TV broadcaster on page 60 says that Pulau is over 200 miles away from the jet's expected route -the kidnappers or hijackers took control of the plane when flying over Sumbawa- and the Australian flying boat on page 59 is in touch with Makassar on the radio when the crewmen spotted the dinghies after the volcanic eruption.
 * P.S.: The Proboscis Monkey on page 42 is endemic to Borneo.
 * P.S.: My English is harrowing, sorry.
 * Note Pulau-pulau Bompa would translate roughly to Bompa islands i.e. it implies a group of islands by the name Nil Einne (talk) 20:24, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I also feel it is incorrect to state the fictitious volcanic island (Bompa) is located in the Lesser Sunda Islands. Sure, the original flight path was over the Lesser Sunda Islands, but following the hijacking over Sumbawa, the plane is then diverted - presumably "more than 200 miles off their scheduled route" (when/where the dinghy is found) - to an island "in the Celebes Sea". The Lesser Sunda Islands are not in the Celebes Sea. If there are no objections, I propose changing the location to "the Celebes Sea". SiberianCat (talk) 07:13, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Changed to a location between the Celebes Sea and the Lesser Sunda Islands, as this is more accurate than claiming Bompa is part of the Lesser Sunda Islands. SiberianCat (talk) 02:52, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Merger Proposal
I concur with the nominator. There is no need for a stand-alone article for a fictitious aircraft.--Petebutt (talk) 19:55, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I am the nominator, and I proposed the merger after reviewing a GAN for Carreidas 160 and concluding that this fictional aircraft has not had a significant cultural impact nor received significant critical commentary, and therefore the content would be better located here in the Flight 714 article. Neelix (talk) 20:01, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I will take care of this in due time. Note that until recently and for many years, this article had a large "Carreidas 160" section, filled with OR and no sources, which I deleted and wrote the sourced Carreidas 160 article. I am currently rewriting the Flight 714 article in my sandbox. When the Carreidas 160 article is merged in, it will not be possible to keep most of its information. Prhartcom (talk) 13:49, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for offering to take this on, Prhartcom! The work you have done already is commendable. The parts that seem most important to me to keep in the merger are the contents of the "Creation" section and the first two sentences of the second paragraph of the "Fictional technology" section. I'd also be glad to see the 2014 news story tie-in that you mentioned included in this article. Neelix (talk) 14:37, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Those are good suggestions,, I will adopt them. Prhartcom (talk) 14:42, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
 * These seem like fine plans. Good luck. -Fnlayson (talk) 17:37, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Article name
This is now sold in English as Flight 714 to Sydney. If there are no objections, I'll move the article to that after 72 hours. Timrollpickering 19:57, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Krollspell location: New Delhi or Cairo?
The article (referring to the English translation of the book) states that Krollspell is taken to New Delhi under hypnotic-induced amnesia. While the French original book does indeed state New Delhi, the English translation puts Krollspell at Cairo, Egypt. So perhaps this line should be altered, noting Cairo (New Delhi, in the French edition)? SiberianCat (talk) 07:21, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Changed to Cairo, but also mentioned New Delhi in French edition. Results in slightly ugly syntax of em dashes within parentheses, so perhaps sentence needs rewording into two sentences? SiberianCat (talk) 02:45, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of McCarthy 'criticism'
I would like to propose deletion of content that cites Tom McCarthy's "literary criticism". His simplistic musings are facile at best and speculative at worst: Note that McCarthy's Tintin book has a chapter claiming the Castafiore emerald is a clitoris. McCarthy's puerile and facile musings, dressed up as literary criticism, don't belong in encyclopedic content. Writing a book about Tintin resulted in publication, but it doesn't make it a good book, unlike Harry Thompson's superior Tintin: Hergé and his Creation. If there are no objections, I will delete the McCarthy content from this article. SiberianCat (talk) 11:22, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Point 1: Troubles faced by Tintin and Haddock on Carreidas' jet reflect a theme of "troubled host–guest relationship". So what? This is stating the obvious. It is neither interesting nor insightful. Anyone could come up with such bland observations.
 * Point 2: Rastapopoulos' activities below radar detection reflect a theme of eluding detection. Again, so what? This is just stating the obvious.
 * Point 3: The flagging relationship of Haddock and Calculus is a form of strained relationships in the series. Ditto. Strained relationships make for good drama and good comedy. This doesn't need to be spelled out.
 * Point 4: McCarthy also highlighted the scene at the start the story in which Haddock mistakes Carreidas for someone trapped in poverty and gives him some money accordingly; McCarthy drew parallels between this scene and a similar one from Charles Baudelaire's poem "La Fausse Monnaie", suggesting that Hergé might have been thinking of Baudelaire's scene when creating his own. Baudelaire’s The Counterfeit Money story (not a poem, although it is just 521 words) is about a man deliberately giving fake money to a beggar. Haddock is not giving counterfeit money.

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Green Berets? Rangers? Delta Force? ;-)

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John DiMaggio

John William DiMaggio (born September 4, 1968) is an American actor. His various voice roles include Bender on Futurama, Jake the Dog on Adventure Time, Marcus Fenix in the Gears of War series, Dr. Drakken on Kim Possible, Hak Foo in Jackie Chan Adventures, The Scotsman on Samurai Jack, Brother Blood on Teen Titans and Teen Titans Go!, Shnitzel on Chowder, Fu Dog on American Dragon: Jake Long, Hammerhead and Sandman on The Spectacular Spider-Man, Aquaman on Batman: The Brave and the Bold, King Zøg on Disenchantment, Jocktopus on Fish Hooks, Wakka and Kimahri in Final Fantasy X, Rath in the Ben 10 franchise, Crosshairs, Leadfoot, Transit and Stratosphere in the Transformers film franchise, and Gonza in the English version of Princess Mononoke.

Early life
Born and raised in North Plainfield, New Jersey, DiMaggio graduated from North Plainfield High School in 1986. He is of Italian descent, and was raised in the Catholic faith. He attended Rutgers University. One of his schoolmates was political strategist Steve Schmidt.

Career
DiMaggio is known for his roles as Bender on Futurama, Marcus Fenix in the Gears of War franchise, Dr. Drakken on Kim Possible, Jake the Dog on Adventure Time, Wakka and Kimahri in Final Fantasy X, and Niblet on Pound Puppies. He is a former comedian, appearing on stage as part of a comic duo named "Red Johnny and the Round Guy" and has several on-screen credits, such as Steve Ballmer in Pirates of Silicon Valley (the docudrama about the history of Apple Computer and Microsoft) and as Dr. Sean Underhill, a recurring character on Chicago Hope.

In 2013, he was the executive producer and narrator of I Know That Voice, a documentary on voice acting, along with producer Tommy Reid and director Lawrence Shapiro.

In 2022, upon news that Futurama would be revived for a second time through Disney and Hulu, DiMaggio ran into conflict during negotiations while demanding more money to reprise the role of Bender, which he dubbed "#BenderGate". Fans supported DiMaggio's hold out for better pay, while DiMaggio stated that he felt the entire cast deserved better pay and that it reflected a corporate attempt to take advantage of voice actors. The effort also received support from DiMaggio's colleagues, including veteran voice actors Tara Strong, Kari Wahlgren, and Mark Hamill, while James Adomian noted that a casting call for a sound-alike of DiMaggio had been sent out by the studio. While it was initially reported that DiMaggio would not be returning to the role, he later announced his decision to return. He revealed that though he did not succeed in negotiating a pay increase, he felt the attention to the issue of proper compensation in the voice acting industry was worthwhile.

Personal life
DiMaggio lives in Los Angeles and New York City. He has been married to actress Kate Miller since 2014. According to his Instagram biography, DiMaggio identifies as neurodivergent.

Television

 * 1999 || Rugrats || First Mate || ||
 * 1999 || Spawn || Bone, Cop #2, Frankie || ||
 * 2000 | The Darkling || Darkling voice || ||
 * 2001–2005 || Jackie Chan Adventures || Hak Foo, Doctor, additional voices || ||
 * 2001 || The Legend of Tarzan || Gozan || ||
 * 2002–2005 || What's New, Scooby-Doo? || Dragon, Judge, Malachi Crunch || ||
 * 2002–2005 || Codename: Kids Next Door || Big Brother, Emperor Dave || ||
 * 2003 || Kim Possible: A Sitch in Time || Dr. Drakken || TV special ||
 * 2003 || The Mummy: Secrets of the Medjai || Shape Shifter, Tiger-Man || ||
 * 2004 || Father of the Pride || Rabbit, Snout Brothers, Rabbits Gary & Lamont || ||
 * 2005 || Kim Possible: So the Drama || Dr. Drakken || ||
 * 2005 || Lilo & Stitch: The Series || Dr. Drakken, Fu Dog || ||
 * 2005 || Justice League || Alexi Nikolai, Dreamslayer, Lord Havok || ||
 * 2006–2007 || American Dad! || Bouncer, Brad, Dove, Repo Man || ||
 * 2006–2007 || Ben 10 || Baron, Vulkanus || ||
 * 2006–2007 || Shorty McShorts' Shorts || Jimbob, Mr. Hoffenfoffer || ||
 * 2006–2009 || The Replacements || Buck Spikes, Buford Joe, Coach Goodchild || ||
 * 2006 || The Disney Channel Games || Dr. Drakken, Fu Dog || Mini-series ||
 * 2006 || Celebrity Deathmatch || Chris Farley, Don Vito, Paul Teutul Sr., Carlos Mencia || ||
 * 2006 || Where My Dogs At? || Dogcatcher || ||
 * 2006 || The Emperor's New School || Mr. Notaempa || ||
 * 2007–2009 || Tak and the Power of Juju || Keeko, Repulsive Juju, Husband Stone Head || ||
 * 2007 || Shaggy & Scooby-Doo Get a Clue! || Bruce || Voice role ||
 * 2007 || The Disney Channel Games || Fu Dog || Mini-series
 * 2007 || Friday: The Animated Series || Mr. Jones || |
 * 2007 || My Gym Partner's a Monkey || Mr. Cheetah || ||
 * 2008–2009 || Random! Cartoons || Ice Clops, Jake, Mumpy || ||
 * 2008–2010 || Ben 10: Alien Force || Rath, Octagon Vreedle, Judge Domstol, Vulkanus, Ragnarok, Doug, Computer Voice || ||
 * 2008 || Phineas and Ferb || Pinhead Pierre, Conk || ||
 * 2009 || Popzilla || Various || ||
 * 2009 || Fanboy & Chum Chum || Yum Yum || ||
 * 2010 || Glenn Martin, DDS || Russ Nero || ||
 * 2010 || Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated || Delivery Guy, Grady Gator || ||
 * 2010 || Legend of the Boneknapper Dragon || Gobber's Father || Short film ||
 * 2010 || Kick Buttowski: Suburban Daredevil || Mr. Vickle || ||
 * 2010 || That's Our Joe || Nonners || ||
 * 2010 || Sym-Bionic Titan || King, General Julius Steel, Adnon || ||
 * 2011–2013 || Dan Vs. || Barber, Chad, Police Officer || ||
 * 2011 || Soul Quest Overdrive || Unnamed rich divorced man || Episode: "Golf" ||
 * 2011 || The Problem Solverz || Narrator, Tux Dog, Teacher || ||
 * 2011 || The Looney Tunes Show || Hugo the Abominable Snowman, Junior Bear || ||
 * 2012 || Mad || Aquaman, Al, Yo-yo Master, Jake || ||
 * 2013 || Aqua TV Show Show || Shake's Muscles || Episode: "Muscles"
 * 2014 || Clarence || Mel Sumouski || Voice ||
 * 2014–2015 || Black Dynamite || Rip Tayles, Homo Cop, J. Edgar Hoover || 2 episodes ||
 * 2014 || The Simpsons || Bender || Episode: "Simpsorama" ||
 * 2015 ||New Looney Tunes || Slugsworthy || ||
 * 2016 || Pickle and Peanut || Dumpy Tina || Episode: "Bee Colony/Goose's Juice" ||
 * 2016 || Uncle Grandpa || Jake the Dog || Episode: Pizza Eve
 * 2016 || Star vs. the Forces of Evil || Dogbull, Lord Brudo, Sea Serpent || ||
 * 2016 || Albert || Donny || Voice role TV movie ||
 * 2017 || We Bare Bears || Ralph || 2 episodes ||
 * 2017 || F is for Family || Scoop Dunbarton || ||
 * 2017 || Penn Zero: Part-Time Hero || Hooded Pixie || Episode: "Wings of Destiny" ||
 * 2017 || Comrade Detective || Tipsy || ||
 * 2017 || We Bare Bears || Ralph || ||
 * 2019 || Amphibia || Stumpy || Episode: "Lily Thai Pad"
 * 2020 || Justice League Dark Apokolips War (DC Animation movie) || "Trigon the Demon/Ravens Father and King Shark"
 * 2020 || Alpha Betas (animated Tv Show)

Video games

 * 2002 || Earth & Beyond || Loric || ||
 * 2002 || Kim Possible: Revenge of Monkey Fist || Dr. Drakken ||
 * 2003 || Futurama || Bender, Sal, Igner || ||
 * 2004 || The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay || Guard || ||
 * 2004 || Ground Control II: Operation Exodus || APC Driver || ||
 * 2004 || Forgotten Realms: Demon Stone || Thibbledorf, Troll King || ||
 * 2004 || Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines || Smiling Jack || ||
 * 2005 || Shadow of Rome || || ||
 * 2005 || The Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction || Destroyer || ||
 * 2005 || Ultimate Spider-Man || Additional voices || ||
 * 2005 || 50 Cent: Bulletproof || || ||
 * 2005 || Kingdom Hearts II || Jacoby (Undead Pirate C) || ||
 * 2006 || Superman Returns || Bizarro || ||
 * 2007 || 'Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+'' || Jacoby (Undead Pirate C) || English dub ||
 * 2007 || Looney Tunes: Duck Amuck || Microphone || Archive footage, including some from Law & Order ||
 * 2007 || The Simpsons Game || Bender || ||
 * 2007 || Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare || || Uncredited ||
 * 2008 || Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom || Regnier || ||
 * 2008 || Turning Point: Fall of Liberty || Angelo || ||
 * 2008 || Tak and the Guardians of Gross || Keeko || ||
 * 2009 || Afro Samurai || Brother #2, Giant || ||
 * 2009 || Ninja Blade || Michael Wilson || English dub ||
 * 2009 || Real Heroes: Firefighter || Captain Tomihiro Kotaka || ||
 * 2009 || Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2 || Juggernaut, Magneto || || {{cn}
 * 2009 || Halo 3: ODST || Brute || ||
 * 2010 || Batman: The Brave and the Bold – The Videogame || Aquaman, Gorilla Grodd, Prison Warden || ||
 * 2011 || Star Wars: The Old Republic || Nico Okarr || ||
 * 2012 || Final Fantasy XIII-2 || Gilgamesh || ||
 * 2012 || Cartoon Network Universe: FusionFall || The Scotsman, Shnitzel, Bobo Haha, Jake || ||
 * 2013 || Lego Marvel Super Heroes || Galactus, Mandarin, Absorbing Man, Colossus, Green Goblin (Ultimate), J. Jonah Jameson, Kingpin, Laufey, Odin, Rocket Raccoon, Ronan the Accuser, Super-Skrull, Thanos, Thunderbolt Ross, Whiplash || ||
 * 2013 || Skylanders: Swap Force || Wash Buckler ||
 * 2014 || Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor || The Hammer of Sauron || ||
 * 2014 || Skylanders: Trap Team || Wallop, Wash Buckler || ||
 * 2014 || Halo 2 Anniversary || Heretic Leader (Terminals Only) || ||
 * 2014 || Cartoon Network Superstar Soccer: Goal || Jake The Dog || ||
 * 2015 || Skylanders: SuperChargers || Wallop, Wash Buckler || || (CREDITS DO NOT SPECIFY ROLE)
 * 2015 || Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns || Canach || ||

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CLIST

CLIST (Command List) (pronounced "C-List") is a procedural programming language for TSO in MVS systems. It originated in OS/360 Release 20 and has assumed a secondary role since the availability of Rexx in TSO/E Version 2. The term CLIST is also used for command lists written by users of NetView.

In its basic form, a CLIST program (or "CLIST" for short) can take the form of a simple list of commands to be executed in strict sequence (like a DOS batch file (*.bat) file). However, CLIST also features If-Then-Else logic as well as loop constructs.

CLIST is an interpreted language. That is, the computer must translate a CLIST every time the program is executed. CLISTs therefore tend to be slower than programs written in compiled languages such as COBOL, FORTRAN, or PL/1. (A program written in a compiled language is translated once to create a "load module" or executable.)

CLIST can read/write MVS files and read/write from/to a TSO terminal. It can read parameters from the caller and also features a function to hold global variables and pass them between CLISTs. A CLIST can also call an MVS application program (written in COBOL or PL/I, for example). CLISTs can be run in background. CLISTs can display TSO I/O screens and menus by using ISPF dialog services.

Compare the function of CLIST with that provided by REXX.

Example programs
PROC 0 WRITE HELLO WORLD!

Adding If-Then-Else logic:

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Tom Bates

Thomas H. Bates (born February 9, 1938) was the 21st mayor of Berkeley, California, and a member of the California State Assembly. Bates is married to Loni Hancock, another former mayor of Berkeley and State Assembly member who served in the California State Senate. He is a graduate of the University of California, Berkeley and was a member of the Golden Bears' 1959 Rose Bowl team. Bates was a captain in the United States Army Reserves after graduating from college and served in Germany. He worked in real estate before serving on the Alameda County Board of Supervisors and in the state legislature.

Alameda County Board of Supervisors
Bates was the youngest elected Supervisor in Alameda County history at the age of 34 and the first full-time Supervisor from 1971 to 1976. During his term Alameda County gave the highest percentage of its Community Revenue Sharing money to community-based programs. The following programs were funded: Asian Health Center, Asian Mental Health Center, Clínica de la Raza, East Oakland Health Clinic, Over 60 Clinic, Center for Independence Living, Bonita House, Berkeley Place, Berkeley Battered Women's Shelter, Filipinos for Affirmative Action, Berkeley-Oakland Support Services, Pro Arts, Berkeley Youth Alternatives, Berkeley Free Clinic, Pacific Center, Creative Growth Center, Bananas, Berkeley Women's Health Center, Berkeley Rape Crisis Center, and West Oakland Health Center. The County also enacted a 100-acre minimum zoning law to protect agricultural open space.

State Assembly
Bates served in the California State Assembly representing the 12th District (the East Bay Area) from 1977 to 1993 and the 14th District from 1993 to 1997. During those years he was known as one of the legislature's most liberal members. Under Republican governors, Bates authored over 220 bills that became law, including the creation of the East Bay Shoreline State Park, a number of progressive social policy laws including the Community Residential Treatment legislation ("the Bates Bill"), and the founding of the first Community Bank in the Bay Area. Bates authored the first legislation in the country allowing "brew pubs", establishments that brew their own beer for sales on and off the premises and are typically combined with a restaurant.

After retiring from the Assembly in 1996, Bates taught at UC Berkeley and worked to ensure healthier foods in the Oakland and Berkeley school districts. In 2002 Bates was drafted out of retirement to challenge the two-term incumbent mayor of Berkeley, Shirley Dean. He won the race with 55% of the vote.

Mayor
Bates personally stole approximately 200 copies of The Daily Californian on the day before the 2002 Berkeley mayoral election after the student-run campus newspaper endorsed his opponent, then-Mayor Shirley Dean. He won the election the next day. Bates acknowledged taking the papers and wasn't charged but voluntarily donated $500 to the Daily Cal. Following his election, Bates led the city council in passing an ordinance that outlawed the stealing of free newspapers and gave a series of talks discussing his mistakes and what he learned from them. Four years later the California legislature passed a similar law that applies statewide.

Housing and urban development were major issues throughout Bates's tenure as mayor. His success in promoting an environmental agenda as a member the California Assembly led him to partner with environmental groups like the Sierra Club in promoting a series of "Smart Growth" policies for Berkeley and the Bay Area. In addition to advocating dense, transit-oriented urban development, Bates worked to mitigate the effects of Berkeley's rapidly rising housing costs on the city's low-income residents. He proposed a municipal density bonus program to incentivize the inclusion of affordable units in new developments and increase the fees that developers must pay into the city's Housing Trust Fund. Bates also put up resistance to UC Berkeley's expansion. In 2004, following the release of UC's Long-Range Development Plan, he promised to fight the expansion "tooth and nail." Saying "the university asked us to sign the equivalent of a blank check," Bates announced that the city would file a $4.1 million lawsuit against the university. After a year of negotiations in which the university agreed to increase its ongoing fiscal support for city services, the lawsuit was settled for $1.2 million.

In 2004 Berkeley voters approved Measure I, amending the city's charter to change the date of mayoral elections to coincide with presidential elections and to adjust the mayor's 2006 term to two years on a one-time basis to accomplish this result. Therefore the next mayoral election took place in 2008.In 2006 Bates won reelection in a landslide, defeating former City Planning Commissioner Zelda Bronstein 63% to 31%, the largest margin of victory in a Berkeley mayor's race since 1967. (Native American and community activist Zachary Runningwolf and Christian Pecaut won 5% and 1%, respectively.)

In January 2008 Berkeley drew national attention when the city council passed a motion to send a letter to the US Marines to tell them they were "unwelcome intruders." Bates voted to approve the motion. He voted to amend the letter on February 12 to remove language like "unwelcome intruder". On February 13, 2008, Bates said: "I think it stands [that] we didn't want them here and they came here. And [they are] unwelcome. You know, we'd like them to leave voluntarily. So I don't think an apology is in order."

In November 2008 Bates was reelected to a third term by a large margin, defeating former mayor Shirley Dean 61% to 36% (two official write-in candidates won 3% collectively.) In 2009 Bates appeared in the documentary film Power Trip: Theatrically Berkeley. The film is centered around the implementation of Measure G, The Green Measure, meant to help Berkeley lead the nation to a more environmentally friendly future. The film played in Berkeley and is scheduled for a New York release in February 2023 in an effort to promote a staged version.

In 2012 Bates was reelected to a fourth term with 55% of the vote, defeating opponents including Kriss Worthington, poet Mark Schwartz, and Jacquelyn McCormick.

In 2014 Bates placed on the ballot the Downtown Development Plan, which passed by 62% and established transit-oriented development downtown.

In June 2015 Bates was at the focal point of the Berkeley Balcony Collapse tragedy, which claimed the lives of 5 young Irish J1 students and an Irish-American student. Bates was praised by the Irish media for the sensitivity and consideration he showed and the support he gave to the Irish J1 community and the victims' families. He promised a wide-ranging investigating into the cause of the accident. Considered the likeliest cause was that the balcony was not constructed properly, leading to dry rot, leading to the balcony becoming structurally compromised.

Bates was the longest-serving mayor in Berkeley's history, serving 14 years. During his mayoralty, the city built the David Brower Center, the Center for Independent Living building "Ed Roberts Campus", the YMCA Youth Center and the 5 City "Tom Bates Sports Facility". He also served on the Metropolitan Transportation Commission, Bay Conservation Commission and Development Board and Bay Area Air Pollution Board.

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