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English Statutes
A couple of years ago you very kindly started a process of providing some lists of English Statutes & Acts Of Parliment.

For some of the pre Tudor Material you provided some lists of Short Ttitles.

I've recently taken another look over these with a view to eventually transcribing a (1763)ish version of Owen Ruffhead's 'Statutes At Large' (Which is currently on hold owing to which Wikisource it should be transcribes at owing to the side-by-side translations of some Statutes/Acts )

However, that hasn't stopped me from transcribing the table given in the front of the volume concerned, and which I am trying to reconcile (i.e add possible links) against various other sources (including Wikipedia & Wikisource's efforts.). In the process of doing that, I'd also like to update the Portal's Generated for various Monarchs :O

Would you be willing to consider expanding upon your earlier efforts upto the Act of Union, Based on the format I was using at Edw3. (Technicaly the Statutes of the Realm goes up to 1714 (The end of Queen Anne's reign), and Ruffhead (in the edition I found to 1764), but the Act of Union seems a reasonable cut-off)

My efforts so far have been in relation to:
 * Portal:Acts_of_the_Parliament_of_England/Edward_III Which I've started to reformat, so that BOTH short and long titles are feautured.  Ideally, In my view the Short Title, should be the de-facto title used for linking, which is why I was trying to reconcile 'such diverse sources as may help confirm the veracity of the data presented.'
 * Portal:English_Statutes/Table - A Table concerning Stautes/Acts of the time of Hen3, Edw1, Edw2 (inc some that are listed in certain source of uncertain date.)
 * Portal:English_Statutes - Which is a general Portal (and lists some English Statutes and Charter issued prior to Hen3.)
 * Index:Ruffhead_-_The_Statutes_at_Large,_1763.djvu - Which is the version of Ruffhead I found (with some missing pages :
 * The_Statutes_at_Large_%28Ruffhead%29/Hen3._to_Hen6. being compiled from the above.

The impossible goal, would of course to be to try and have the full original text (as far as possible) of each Statute or Act ever passed in the UK (or it's precursors.) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 00:16, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

 * OK, I have attempted this with Henry V and it seems to be working, if a little incomplete at this stage. While I was doing this, I noticed that part of Ruffhead was transcluded to Repeal of 38 Hen. 6, etc. Act 1460.  It is best to keep all parts of one work under the same main page.  Among other things, it makes moving and manipulating the whole work easier and keeps everything manageable.  As such, I moved the page to The Statutes at Large (Ruffhead)/Volume 1/Repeal of 38 Hen. 6, etc. Act 1460, leaving a redirect that categorises into Category:1460 works and Category:Acts of the English Parliament.  To support this, I have started the transclusion of the main pages of the work; mostly title pages at this stage. Everything can be edited and moved around again when this settles.  Secondly, the page I moved was a mixture of proofread and original work.  As the original work was just a placeholder, I deleted it.  The original translation will need to be a separate work from Ruffhead, attributed to Wikisource and licenced accordingly.  For example, Repeal of 38 Hen. 6, etc. Act 1460 (Wikisource translation). I will try Henry VI later. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 18:25, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Thank you very much :)

If you are able to help get this (and the other 8 Volumes transferred intow Wikisource so much the better :) The reason for the link of the particular Act you note above was because the hope was to eventually link the statute text's from Ruffhead to the tables of Acts as they exist on the Portals....

In adding details to the portals -the following may be of use - http://archive.org/details/chronologicalta01commgoog, I'm trying to get someone to do a transfer of the DjVu to Commons, It only goes up to 1878 ish though.

If you know of scans of the updated tables the HMSO made in the 1950's it would be much appreciated. The last revision of the 'Chronological Tables' I can find reference to online is an updated version made around 2007, but that doesn't seem to be online.. So I'm stuck with using the older material that I have found.

The Long title(s) I was using were from Ruffhead, but I've got no objection to you adding in 'Alternates' if they can be sourced to official stuff, like for example the HMSO tables) or the National Archives (UK).

Some follow up on the tables : i) The table formatting might need tweaking so that the columns line up (There's an experimental nested layout here - http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:ShakespeareFan00/collapsing_tables but I don't want to use that one for real use just yet..) The other alternative layotu is on the relevant portal page for Richard II. (You might of course want to revert that back to having seperate tables of course..)

ii) The importance of the Short title(s) is that they seem to be the De-facto way of linking to specific portions, Perhaps the link of the Portal pages should in effect be to disambig pages, depending on which versions are needed? (and in any case perhaps the stuff in Latin, French should be on other Wikisource anyway?)

iii) I'd like feedback on how to handle transcluding from pages that have side-by side translation, http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Ruffhead_-_The_Statutes_at_Large,_1763.djvu/60 transcluding something like this where the side by side translation goes over a page break will be a hassle to resolve ;). The act you reworked showed part of a soloution...

Thanks for your efforts on this, It's appreciated...

 * I've been busy over the last few days and haven't had much time to do more than small things. However, I have uploaded Index:Chronological Table and Index of the Statutes.djvu if you think that will help and the second volume of Ruffhead is now on Commons too.

 * i) Having the columns line up is good. As long as the information is there and it is correct, it should be enough in the short term.

 * ii) If there are two versions available, the short title should be a disambiguation page as you say. With just one version of an Act on Wikisource, a redirect from the short title to the text of the Act seems to easiest way to handle things.

 * iii) I still thinking of the best way to transclude.. I have experimented a bit with sectional transclusion to place the title at the top and the two versions side-by-side but this has not worked well so far.  The pages you have already transcluded, such as Statutes of Merton, seem to work quite well. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 19:00, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

 * THANK YOU! Award yourself a Barnstar ! :) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 16:41, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Links to scans
Hello AdamBMorgan,

Do you think it would be a good idea to add links to scans to the media template and can you do it? Example here. Or would it be a better idea to create a separate template? I appreciate very much all the work you have done. Regards, --Zyephyrus (talk) 10:09, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

 * I think a separate template would be the best method. media is just a key for icons used in the bibliography below.  The link to scans on Charles Dickens' page is different; it actually does something for a start.  Separate templates also means more flexibility, so you don't have to add both functions (key and scans) where only one applies and they can be adapted slightly to the needs of different pages. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 01:32, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Missing SHSP vols.
Adam,

I think I am going to have to scan the missing volumes. I have attempted to place volume 41 [] on WS but this is not going well. If nothing else it is too crowded on one page. It's easy enough to type in the text. If I create the .PDF files do I have to convert them to .djvu files? Too, after I upload a .PDF file to commons can you pull the page images onto WS so we can have the text beside the images? Kind regards, Maury [— William Maury Morris II Talk 21:26, 14 April 2012 (UTC) ]

 * PDF should be fine. If you want to convert to DjVu, there is a website that does this (or even the Internet Archive, which will convert as part of its standard process).  Whichever you choose, I can create the Index pages for them and get everything set up here.
 * NB: I have volume 9 almost ready to upload and about a third of volume 41 downloaded. As mentioned before, Hathi Trust has these, and volume 42, but only allows single page downloads and even disallows lots of downloads in a short space of time.  This is a little frustrating.  (The Hathi Trust pages are watermarked as Google scans but I cannot find them on Google.)  So, if the scanning process is, or becomes, a problem, these volumes at least are available elsewhere. (I'll try to push volume 9 to get it up in the next few days). - AdamBMorgan (talk) 23:03, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

 * I can scan the missing volumes but I don't want to scan something you are already working with and volume 41 is an excellent example. We both are working on that at the same time and not aware the other is also. The scans I make don't show anything at the bottom. Perhaps I should create one that shows "Morgan & Morris" ;0) -- or "Wikisource". I can also download the even, or odd numbered pages on the volume from Hathi Trust and you would only have to download 1/2 the number of pages. I myself prefer not to have "Google" shown. I would rather scan the volumes. I wonder where the OCR takes place. Should I OCR the .PDF files I will do before uploading them? I suppose I scan at 600 dpi? I have seen two Google Book Sales sites. I think Google owns them both but it isn't obvious at first. Hathi Trust may be another, or someone getting paid for scanning for Google. Okay, I will start scanning volume 5 while you continue with volume 41. Both are small. Maury, <— William Maury Morris II Talk 23:36, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Hathi Trust, N.Y. Times article: "An elephant backs up Googles Library". Also see Wikipedia. — William Maury Morris II Talk 23:44, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Index:Southern Historical Society Papers volume 09.djvu — it didn't take as long as I thought it would; the OCR isn't archive.org quality but it's OK. It looks like I only have about 100 pages left to go with volume 41; although I will have to merge them all later.  How about I finish that one but I don't start on volume 42; then you can scan 5, 7, 10, 11 and 42 onwards?  Wikisource does (now) have its own OCR software but it would be best to OCR the PDF before upload as well.  I'm not sure what the best settings are as I've only done this a few times myself. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 00:41, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

 * That's fine. I will plan on scanning the volumes you have stated. The scanning is going well so far—just boring! At points I will take scanning breaks and just edit books I have been working on. Therefore even a scanning break is still WS work done. I can make these scans smaller by cropping the white space at top, botttom, gutters and margins. Thus less white space and less file size. I am scanning "line art/text" with b/w @600 dpi. The images look good and all are clean with no discolorations. Do you think I should leave all of that extra white space? I see no reason for it but you might so I ask. — William Maury Morris II Talk 01:15, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Unless filesize is a problem, I would leave the whitespace. Every volume so far has had the whitespace and we even keep entirely blank pages.  It shouldn't make much difference once it has been uploaded.  You could be making more work for yourself unnecessarily and you will have a few thousand pages to crop by the end. (The work pattern sounds like a good idea.) - AdamBMorgan (talk) 01:55, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Adam, I finished scanning SHSP_vol.5 last night and included the white space. All images are clean with no discoloration. I suppose I just upload the .PDF to archives.org? There it will automatically be converted to .djvu? I think it will be better as a .PDF file but I don't know because I haven't done uploading there. Other .PDF files I download from there look good.--Maury

 * I am uploading to archive.org so that it will be OCD'r. I can re-upload to Commons later if so desired. I cannot see your last statements here as I now type. There isn't even an option to "edit". It is as though someone has tinkered with my preferences when using this browser (MS-8). Meanwhile my Firefox browser is still uploading to archives.org ( I do have a library card :)

I placed it in public domain for anyone to use.

 * http://archive.org/details/SHSP-05_wmm It stated that it may take a few hours to create the other types of files and extensions shuch as a .djvu file, &c. — William Maury Morris II  Talk 03:46, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Upload error...
 * Adam, can you handle that huge file (SHSP-05)?  — William Maury Morris II  Talk 21:54, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The PDF at archive.org? Yes, I can transfer that now. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 22:47, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, apparently not. There was an upload error using URL2Commons and I can't open the PDF on archive.org.  Do you know if it uploaded properly or if archive.org is finished its processes? The error was:-

Array (   [edit] => Array        ( [assert] => )

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 * I don't know what this means. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 23:10, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

 * I am convinced it uploaded properly because I watched it for a long time while a small uploading "blue line" showed the progress. At the end it stated the file was successfully uploaded. It is a very large file due to the page scans being at 600 dpi. I saw no error message of any kind. I guess archive.org is converting the .PDF file to multiple file extensions such as EPUB, DJVU, &c. but still, it should not take so long. Perhaps try downloading the file to your computer. The scans themselves are very clear. All of my hardcopy volumes are very clean. I wonder if I can upload all of the images seperately to Commons -- if there is a Category? What do you think of this idea? If "yes", please create the Category and point me to it. I have forgotten how. The SHSP-05_wmm.PDF file itself takes too long. Okay? — William Maury Morris II Talk 23:26, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

 * It is possible to upload page images to Commons but creating the Index on Wikisource would be very difficult. I've started downloading the PDF but this will take a while.  I'm not familiar enough with archive.org to know what the problem might be; it might help to ask someone for assistance at that site, maybe it's something simple and easy to fix.  I'll see what happens with the download and perhaps create the Commons category after that. (NB: If you want to start the category yourself just, (1) click this link: Commons:Category:Southern Historical Society Papers volume 5 (or a page with a similar name); (2) click "create this page"; (3) type this:   and (4) save the page.) - AdamBMorgan (talk) 23:55, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Adam, I downloaded SHSP-05_wmm and it still works fine. I am wondering if you can place it on WS? I don't want to start scanning another volume unless I know this one will work.— William Maury Morris II Talk 06:44, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

 * I've downloaded and it works (and its a good quality scan by the way). I am still fiddling with it. Part of the problem might be that it's too good: the limited OCR software I have aborted because "the page size is above the maximum of 45 x 45 inches".  This reminded me that Wikimedia's file size limit is 100MB.  I'm sorry I did not bring this up before you started your work; the problem has never come up for me in the past and I had forgotten all about the limit.  (In reference to earlier comments, I don't think the whitespace would have had a significant effect on this; blank areas take up little memory regardless of the amount of it.)  This still would not have affected archive.org and I have no idea why it would not open there nor why it is not deriving other formats.  I have uploaded larger files to the archive, although the few I have uploaded were zip files of jpeg page images rather than PDF files.  I can't see why that would make any difference, however.  I will continue trying to work with this file.  My next approach is to reduce the page size and re-run OCR, hopefully without much loss, and see what happens (any loss is probably going to be due to the basic software involved rather than the scans). - AdamBMorgan (talk) 23:46, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

 * I think I scanned those pages too high at 600 dpi. The images should be excellent for printing but obviously something caused a problem and image size is the only thing I can think of. Thank you for the tip on file size limits on WikiMedia. I do not know if archives.org has a file size limit. It's strange because when you downloaded other SHSP Files, a couple of times you got 2 files in one download. [45" x 45" ? ] You could print out a square poster. Reduction of file size might work, I certainly hope so, there are more volumes to scan. What program are you using if you don't mind my asking? I sure would like to try to uplload all of the images to a Category where you could easly get to them. Oh....you already have them, geez, I don't know what to do other than re-scan all pages. I will telephone one of my sons who is deep into computer technology and who I have to look up to in my old age, in more ways than one, and ask some questions about this. All of the .PDF Files can be saved as images.jpg &c. I will also take a look at some Google files for comparison of sizes. Do you have to have all files at once to create the Index pages or can you "stich" the images together? I am very sorry it didn't work. I will explore. — William Maury Morris II Talk 02:12, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Adam, re: SHSP-05, I shrunk the files (with "batch resize") and did the OCR work on it. The OCR is passable and the images are very good. I will try to upload it now to archives.org and then perhaps to WikiCommons. I do not know the detailed processes you have to go through and which is best for you. — William Maury Morris II Talk 04:48, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Adam, this will work! The other was scanned too large @600 dpi. http://archive.org/details/Southern-Historical-Society-Papers-volume-5 [PDF 107.6 M] SHSP-05-wmm — William Maury Morris II  Talk 05:18, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that 107.6 MB is still 7.6 MB too much. Apparently this is a technical limit on Wikimedia Commons.  There are a few options.  DjVu files are naturally smaller (and I'm beginning to see part of why they are used more), so that might be a solution; either the Internet Archive finally deriving the DjVu or using a website like any2djvu.  You could batch resize again (just a bit).—Incidentally, that's more technical than my approach. I ended up cheating and using Adobe Acrobat at work: although the built in "reduce filesize" function actually produced a slightly larger file, I was able to print to PDF (using another program as a fake printer that created a new PDF with the print data) and get a much smaller file; I used the built in OCR on this (although this is still not great OCR).  I left the PDF on my computer at work, however, so I can't share at the moment.—Back to options, you could also upload the page images and derive both a new PDF, as well as everything else, at the archive.  There might also be something that can be done to the PDF to remove that last 7.6 MB. Anyway, at least we're getting closer to the final scan. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 21:56, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Lions, and Tigers, and Bears, Oh my ! There is a djvu file there but the size is larger (111.8 M) instead of smaller than the .PDF file and yet it was generated by archive.org. My main concern at this point is getting the images too small so that resolution would be lost. Presently the resolution is still good. This is an absurd situation. Back to the drawing board. — William Maury Morris II Talk 22:13, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

 * ADAM, can you use this one? This SHSP-05 is a lot smaller both the PDF and DJVU. If this one is not good enough I am willing to do another. [ http://archive.org/details/papersSouthernHistoricalSocietyPapersVol.05 ] — William Maury Morris II Talk 03:06, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

 * As per the later message, I will wait for this to derive before doing anything. It is amusing to see the DjVu as larger than the original PDF when smaller file size is one of the format's selling points.  Anyway, we should be able to proceed soon.  Regarding illustrations: For Wikisource's purposes, the final product is the version in the mainspace. These illustrations don't need to come from the PDF, they can be extracted from your original scans, so the resolution won't be a problem here (although this is not the case for people using the PDFs directly from the Internet Archive). I'm glad everything appears to be working now. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 00:41, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Contributors to the Southern Historical Society Papers
[] Author:Matthew Fontaine Maury. " A Vindication of Virginia and the South " — William Maury Morris II Talk 20:04, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

SHSP vol.5
Adam,

I have just finished uploading volume 5 which I compressed to 64.8 megabytes. It is in the process now of being OCR'd and making other formats such as .djvu, epub, et cetera. I downloaded the .pdf file and the resolution remained good so the text portion, once processed by archive.org, should also be good. In all of these trials, I had not "set a compression ratio" until this upload. This was new to me but I understand the process in my program. http://archive.org/details/SHSP-05-wm is 64.8 M PDF but let archive.org run through the processes, especially its OCR process. Kindest regards, — William Maury Morris II Talk 20:00, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

 * I will transfer it as soon as I notice the derived files (and I'm glad to see that the derivation process worked on the previous uploads too). - AdamBMorgan (talk) 00:36, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

 * I do not think that small file will create derived files. It seems to me that it has had plenty of time for any derived files to be created. I downloaded it and checked the OCR and that is intact from my doing OCR on the .pdf before I uploaded the file. I ask, would it be easier to work with at this point to place that file on WikiCommons? Y/N? BTW, archive.org allows Gigabytes to be uploaded . I read that last night. Firefox, which I use, will handle uploading/downloading Gigabytes. — William Maury Morris II  Talk 00:47, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

 * OK. Index:Southern Historical Society Papers volume 05.pdf (I used the same name format as the prior files because I like things to keep to the same pattern). I don't know why the Commons limit was set as it is; I believe it used to be lower. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 02:27, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * NB: From correcting the page numbering: There appears to jump after p. 263. There's a hyphenated word between the two pages, which appears to be correct, so I assume this is a typo in the original.  (There's also a duplicate of p. 285 too but that can just be ignored.) - AdamBMorgan (talk) 02:30, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

 * I knew you could handle that file. I haven't seen anything technical defeat you yet and I do follow your footprints to learn from you. I like the same pattern too as it's not confusing. A duplicate--oops! I spent a lot of time trying not to have duplicates or missing images. I have learned a lot in all of this too--including the fact that I had never uploaded anything to archive.org before this experiment of ours. Well, Adam, SHSP-5 was not on all of Internet and now, after our struggles, experimentation, more struggles and learing, it is on wikisource! I think we should get a gold medal award for this! — William Maury Morris II  Talk 02:51, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

 * pages 264-5 are MIA — William Maury Morris II Talk 03:04, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Can you insert the 2 missing pages? They were never in the original file. My fault. — William Maury Morris II Talk 03:36, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

 * I can make an Errata page that makes an appropriate statement and points to the last two blank pages where the text can be inserted for pages 264, 265. — William Maury Morris II Talk 04:49, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

 * If you can make the two missing pages available, I can insert them into the PDF at the right place. I'm not sure which way be best.  Can you create a PDF of just pages 264-5 and upload it directly to Wikisource?  I can add them to the current version and then delete the two pages on Wikisource when I am done. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 14:46, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

 * I can certainly try. "WikiSource" or WikiCommons? I thought nothing is supposed to be uploaded to WikiSource. I really want to do some editing on shsp-05 for awhile if you don't mind. Hopefully the other missing volumes will be easier now that we have explored the process so much. You're fantastic with the many kinds of work that you do! BTW, all of the text for shsp-05 is located in my sandbox which I will delete later. I fully intended to get shsp-05 here one way or another. Respectfully, — William Maury Morris II Talk 17:20, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

 * No rush; it's your project. I say upload to Wikisource as I can delete files on Wikisource but not Commons.  It's just way to get the file to me so I can insert them into the existing PDF.  There are other ways, like Google Docs, but Wikisource seemed easy and appropriate. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 19:31, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

 * I am going to upload the 2 pages within 10 minutes or less to WikiSource. — William Maury Morris II Talk 19:48, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

 * File:5 264-265.pdf ✅ — William Maury Morris II  Talk 19:58, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Well, that's done. I have inserted the new pages, deleted the duplicate, uploaded the new PDF, renumbered the Index page and deleted the two-page PDF on Wikisource.  I also deleted one of the blank pages you had saved as, with the modified PDF, this page was no longer blank.  Deleting it made it easier to re-create the page with OCR'd text layer available; I hope you don't mind that. Volume 5 should be entirely finished up to the proofreading stage now. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 12:32, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Excellent! You always do good work. Personally, I would remove all blank pages at the end of a book except for one. — William Maury Morris II  Talk 18:14, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

/* SHSP 9 and 41 */
Adam, are you still "pushing on volume 9" and volume 41? Just curious. I would like to see all volumes, the complete set, on Wikisource and be done with them. Too, there are about 31 volumes of the 40 volume set of "The Confederate Veteran" magazine on archive.org I have looked at and downloaded 31 volumes. All of these materials allows for a tremendous amount of primary source cross-referencing and photo gathering. It is not that I need any of them because I have the hardcopy volumes plus I have them on searchable DVD or CD as welll as all 100+ of the Official Records" I *think* the Confederate Veteran set is priced now is $2,000 sold by Tom Broadfoot's company in Carolina. All of this is American History and it will never go away because, in part, it is considered by some as the "Second American Revolutionary War"  Respectfully, — William Maury Morris II  Talk 03:54, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Scratch out shsp-vol.9, we have it.— William Maury Morris II Talk 04:13, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

 * I'm still working on volume 41 (almost all downloaded, although I will have to reassemble it at the end). Moving files from the Internet Archive is easier, so the first 15 volumes of Confederate Veteran are on Commons (I will upload the rest soon too).  So when you want to start on one all that is needed is an Index page. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 22:56, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

 * I like your pulp zines a LOT better! -- Maury   (— William Maury Morris II  Talk 08:30, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

 * How would one go about creating the Index page? I like to get as many volumes started as soon as possible because perhaps some others will come along and contribute to the transcriptions once everything is laid out. Kind Regards for this beautiful day, — William Maury Morris II Talk 14:23, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

 * The quick and dirty way is to just start a page with the same name as the scan, except replace the "File:" prefix with an "Index:" prefix. ie.   becomes  .  At that point you can enter details (title, editor, year etc) or just save the page; the details can be filled in at any time.  As for those details: it helps if the title, author and volume are wikilinked to jump to the right page; the progress should be set as needs proofreading, to put it in the right category; volumes will probably need a special template.  There's a quick overview at Help:Beginner's guide to Index: files. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 16:48, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Well, that was easy but it didn't fly. I think I had best stick with what I think I know how to do. Too, I still have compression issues with the shsp volumes I have yet to scan. — William Maury Morris II Talk 19:48, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Back asap, I took a short break from mowing my lawn. I don't know where you are but the temperature here today, and projected for a week, is 90 degrees. — William Maury Morris II Talk 21:11, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

 * London, UK: It's been raining for a week and is forecast to continue (although we are in a technical drought and hose pipe bans started a short time ago). Incidentally, the only problem with the index you started was a rogue full-stop.  I've removed it and purged the data; it's working now. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 22:06, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

 * London, England, a place of great antiquity, history, and architecture. Home to many of my own ancestors. My wife traveled all over London. Blindness never stops that woman. Well, sir, I am honoured to meet you. I ask, this rogue full stop -- is that something typical or unusual? I am wondering if another would stop me for the other volumes. I will go do a comparison to see what stopped me. I had expected images to pour in like a flood. Most Respectfully, — William Maury Morris II Talk 01:09, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

/* Confederate Veteran Volumes */
Adam,

Thank you so very much for teaching me these things. I was reluctant because I did not want to fail and also because I did not want to mess something up on Wikisource. Respectfully, Maury (— William Maury Morris II Talk 16:04, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Adam, I ran into a problem with volume 16 and could not fix it. Same thing happened with volumes 17, and 18 when I tried to continue onward. I have halted now. The previous volums 1-15 worked easily and there were no problems. Can you please look into what has happened starting with volume 16. It shows red lettering and states, No such volume. — William Maury Morris II Talk 22:18, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

 * That's probably my fault. I got the file names wrong for a block of uploads and didn't notice at first (I repeated the word "File").  I've marked them to be renamed... and a quick check on Commons shows that that has been done now.  So, they should work now.  If the pages still aren't working properly, purging the memory should fix it—edit the page and either (1) replace the word "edit" at the end the URL with "purge" and enter to go that page, or, (2) just save with no changes.  Sorry about the slip up. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 00:55, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

 * My friend, no offense but I am pleased it was your slip-up because I have so many and it's a rare thing for you! I am enjoying this process since it's new to me. I am really enjoying this process. You have had the patience of JOB (Bible) in teaching me so many things. Most respectfully, Maury (— William Maury Morris II  Talk 03:22, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Review requested
Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:11, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Page:Chronological_Table_and_Index_of_the_Statutes.djvu/29 Any thoughts?
 * 2) I note an absence of data for the portals relating to Acts of the English Parliament passed under the Stuart Monarchs?
 * It looks like everything is working here. Is there anything specific that you wanted reviewed?
 * These portals were moved from existing pages in the Wikisource namespace, which were almost certainly just copied and pasted from Wikipedia. They probably had not been filled in to that level at the time but it should be easy enough to copy and paste the rest now. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 21:24, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I've added lists to James I and Charles I based on Wikipedia's List of Acts of the Parliament of England, 1603–1641. Is this useful?  It doesn't look like all of the short titles are complete (where they are in brackets) but this might just require adding the word "Act" and the year to the end of each description. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 22:07, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Hmm... What was on Wikipedia seems to have been cribed from the Chronological tables, I was actually needing the Short Titles to be able to wikilink the chapter numbers and so-on. But it's a start.  There is a later print version of the Chronological Tables which should have the short titles for the period in question, IIRC  Sfan00 IMG (talk) 01:12, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

 * BTW There are a number of other sequences of Statute Collections (I've included links to Archive.org for some volumes namely:

 * By Danby Pickering & others - Various - Under 'Statutes at Large' (from Google it seems) (These are NOT the Ruffhead ones)
 * 'Statutes of the Realm' - (Single volume at http://archive.org/details/statutesrealm00etcgoog & http://archive.org/details/statutesrealm01etcgoog - The 'Statutes of the Realm is a multi volume work that contains nearly All the General Acts from Hen3 up to the Death of Queen Anne.
 * Revised Statute (revised upto c. 1868) in 4 vols - 1st vol is http://archive.org/details/statutes00britgoog
 * The Statutes Revised (3rd Ed) (1950) HMSO / Stautues in Force (4th Ed.) (If someone can find scans of this it might be suitable for Wikisource) - Later editions continued until 1991, when the print publication was replaced by a computerised system, that eventually became legislation.gov.uk.
 * Public General Statutes (for 1896}} - http://archive.org/details/publicgeneralst00unkngoog 9 (Importantly - c.14 contains Short title data)
 * I think between these sources it should be possible to get MOST of the General Acts for England. For Great Britan and the UK will be harder.

 * Other 'statute' law in the UK - will be in the form of
 * Statutory Rules/Statutory Instruments. ( These seem to have started in the Early 20th Century.)
 * Orders in Council.(I don't know when these were formalised.)
 * Charters
 * Proclomations

 * As a side note I also found this :- http://archive.org/details/statutesofwales00wale relating to Wales.

 * Perhaps you could make a friendly approach to Shimgray or Ironholds over on English Wikipedia to assist in indexing it all? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 01:58, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

 * [Quick courtesy response] I'm still looking through this. I'll reply in further detail soon. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 11:54, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

 * I've started Index:Public General Statutes 1896.djvu, mostly to get the complete list from the Short Titles Act. James I and Charles I are still poorly featured in this list but it seems more complete from the Act of Union onwards. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 01:24, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

/* Encyclopedia of Virginia Biography */
[] Adam, I am not quite sure how Wikisource works when bringing in more materials. We have the SHSP volumes and are waiting for the few missing ones that I can provide and we have the Confederate Volumes and I do the same with those as time passes. I am requesting now that the 5 volumes of the Encyclopedia of Virginia Biographies be added to Wikisource. They are filled with biographical materials such as John Esten Cooke who was a Confederate soldier and a well-known author of poems and books. Would you please set those five volumes up on Wikisource as you did with the Confederate Veteran volumes and let me fill in the information the same way you did the Confederate Veteran volumes? Is this an unreasonable request? I honestly don't know if it is or isn't. They are djvu files and all five volumes are there. I am not an in and then out person here. I am in this for as long as I can work here. Most Respectfully, — William Maury Morris II Talk 06:34, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

 * Sorry for the delay, real life intruded for a few days. I shall do this over the weekend. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 11:48, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

 * Fully understood. I love this place. It really is "a dream come true". It is what I wanted even as a youth of age about 10 yrs. I grew up in the shadows of my own ancestry, plus in between Thomas Jefferson's home "Monticello" and U.Va. — areas of grand history which has always influenced me strongly. U. Va. students were always around me with wonderful knowledge influencing me even more. One has to maintain a B average at U.Va. — William Maury Morris II Talk 03:43, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

 * OK, all five volumes here: . I've also started copying the other "Men of Mark in..." volumes to Wikimedia Commons (they seem to have some of the same information) but only Virginia is complete so far. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 00:46, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

 * Thank you. When dealing with the American Civil War (SHSP, Confederate Veteran, Virginia Biography, Men of Mark, &c.) you will often see history and names overlapping. Virginia itself was the Capitol of the Confederacy. Virginia history and Virginia names are what I know best while other things about that war and time period are just absorbed as I go through life. It is not my favorite subject either. Kindest regards, — William Maury Morris II Talk 02:32, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Undo request
Because of some concerns that were raised about how to format the Portals, I've reverted the portals back to the unformatted lists.

The one remaining Portal using table is : Portal:Acts of the Parliament of England/Henry V which I can't revert back to a list myself, because it was you that converted it to table format in the first place.

If you could revert it back to the list format it would be most appreciated, pending a disscussion at some later date about how to get a consistent format across all of the portals.

Attempts to use templates have cause too much hassle. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 19:03, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

 * Instead of undoing it, I've started playing with the format to see what looks best. If you have a better idea later, just edit over my work (going back to an old version if you need to). - AdamBMorgan (talk) 13:48, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

/* Southern Literary Messenger */
Adam, I am presently working on The Southern Literary Messenger. Today (now yesterday!) I telephoned the Edgar Allen Poe Museum and got permission from Mr. Semer to use their color image (photo of a portrait) online of Thomas Willis White, the founder, publisher, and editor of the SLM so that we can have him shown on an "Author" page. Wikipedia has none and I found no others except for a b&w on Encyclopedia Virginia which I also contacted (Mr. Gibson) I just wanted to place this statement online somewhere and here on WS is where I edit. Too, just so that you know, on Archives.org there are several of these (SLM) that are available for download. Whenever any download is available the darker images are easier on the eyes to edit. The white images are usually stark white and produce too much light on the eyes to look at for any good length of time and cause eyestrain for anyone. The one here on WS is excellent and I am enjoying working with it. With all due respect, — William Maury Morris II Talk 06:51, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikilinking
Hello Adam! On Wikipedia it is not permitted to wikilink inside of quotations. I was wondering what was the policy here? And I would assume that most of the content here is considered quoted. Thanks, Lionelt (talk) 10:41, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi. There is no strong consensus on this (it would be covered by the Annotations policy) but it is permitted in general.  To my knowledge, the only current policy is the wikilinks section of the Style Guide.  Briefly, internal wikilinks, ie. wikilinking author names to author pages and titles of other books/works to the appropriate main namespace page, are definitely permitted.  Linking to other projects, especially for specific unusual words or terms, is usually OK but overlinking should be avoided.  What constitutes overlinking depends on personal judgement at the moment. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 11:56, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Copyright
Adam, for the discussion at Requests_for_assistance, would see if you can add the list of works created by User:O'Dea that have been deleted? I don't have my tools with this ID. JeepdaySock (talk) 10:31, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The tools wouldn't have helped anyway, O'Dea came up as having no deleted contributions. It turns out they were moved to his user space. I've listed them at Requests for assistance. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 10:44, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Request by wmm
Adam, would you please pull this book into Wikisource so that I can edit the text? http://archive.org/details/cu31924029975053 With all due respect, — William Maury Morris II Talk 03:14, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

 * I'm having some problems with my internet service provider at the moment, so I can't do this yet. If someone else hasn't done it by the time my problems are resolved I will be happy to set the book up for you.  (I am only logging in through a work computer at the moment, which, among other restrictions, cannot access the Internet Archive). - AdamBMorgan (talk) 12:01, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

 * You have very good manners, Adam. However the request is now canceled as I have the book on Wikisource. I thank you for your kindness as always. Most respectfully, — William Maury Morris II Talk 16:42, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

 * Adam, please, I need your help. I have a book placed on WC and somewhat pulled into WS but something is wrong and I don't know how to fix it. If you click on the blue cover you can see all images but the file name is, I believe, creating problems since it is not the same name as the book title. I haven't encountered this before now. Respectfully, — William Maury Morris II  Talk 16:31, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

[]

 * OK, I see the problem: you are right, the names have to match. We need either (1)   and   or (2)   and  .  I've put through a rename request on Commons to create the latter pair. Once that goes through the page on Wikisource should work (although it might need to be purged to remind the computer to check again). - AdamBMorgan (talk) 14:10, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * One other thing: to match, the index page needs the  suffix as well.  I will move the page to adjust this when the Commons file is renamed. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 14:23, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Which has apparently been done already. The new index page is here: Index:A Life of Matthew Fontaine Maury.pdf. ✅ - AdamBMorgan (talk) 14:27, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

another request: wright brothers; robert goddard
thanks for the swift work at Author:James Smithson. now i have uploaded correspondance from Wright Brothers Papers and Robert Goddard Papers. any help would be appreciated. Slowking4 (talk) 17:02, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I've done the Goddard papers, the Wright papers will follow soon. I think I have the pages in the right order this time:
 * Index:Goddard papers - abbotoct21916.djvu
 * Index:Goddard papers - goddarddec151916.djvu
 * Index:Goddard papers - goddardmay1926.djvu
 * Index:Goddard papers - goddardsept1916.djvu
 * Index:Goddard papers - walcottjan51917.djvu
 * Index:Abbotdec161916x.jpg
 * Index:Goddardmay1930.jpg
 * - AdamBMorgan (talk) 02:14, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * thanks very much the SI archives will be happy. Slowking4 (talk) 02:40, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The rest:-
 * Index:Wrightapril171903.jpg
 * Index:Wrightjune141899.jpg
 * Index:Wrightjune81903.jpg
 * Index:Wrightnov71902.jpg
 * Index:Wright brothers papers - wrightmay301899.djvu
 * Index:Wright brothers papers - wrightoct201902.djvu
 * NB: There are SVG versions of both brothers' signatures on already Commons, if you want to use them. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 22:19, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

DNB disambiguation
i see where you have made a transclusion page for a DNB "redirect" Morell, Charles (DNB00). however, i thought previous practice was to put those on the index page only i.e. Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900/Vol 1 Abbadie - Anne. i don't know what consensus is. Slowking4 (talk) 15:55, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not aware of this practice; I mostly dabble with DNB and am not that well versed in the specific project SOPs. I don't know what the consensus is either.  I could not find anything in the DNB style manual but there is an old thread on the DNB project talk page that mentions this (apparently there wasn't a consensus two years ago).  That thread mentions Osborne, Dorothy (DNB00), which is similar to Morell, Charles (DNB00). - AdamBMorgan (talk) 17:45, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

fs90 template spanning two pages
Hi. Unfortunately, the fs90 template closing and consequent opening in the header and footer doesn't work in the main namespace. The codes - opening on one and the closing on the other page show up. This is problematic because the template cannot be changed from div to span. Is there a way to do this with HTML? — Ineuw talk 03:21, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I thought I caught that. I know I've encountered something similar before, I just need to remember where it was and see if it will work here as well. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 03:37, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It was an instance of smaller block where it happened before. In that case, the template has separate open and close version, so I added them to the font-size templates. For example:
 * 1st page: fs90/sWords
 * 2nd page: more wordsfs90/e
 * I have implemented this and it appears to work in the mainspace. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 04:23, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

 * Thanks, that's great. I will make a note on the template page, because this occurs elsewhere in the volumes.— Ineuw talk 04:27, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You've done it! Thanks again.— Ineuw talk 04:28, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

SHSP 14 p.169 Address by  Hon. James C.  C. Black
Adam, I noticed you were working on authors recently and moments ago I looked this up.

SHSP: Address of J. C. C. Black, at the Unveiling of the Hill Statue, Atlanta, Georgia, May 1, 1886. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Southern_Historical_Society_Papers_volume_14.djvu/169

Then I sought out and found this on Archive.org

Contested Election Case of Thomas E. Watson vs. JCC Black: From the Tenth Congressional...(1896)

http://archive.org/details/contestedelecti00housgoog

Looking into that work I found this "Hon. James C. C. Black, Augusta, Ga. 1895"

I will look for an image and more information. Most respectfully, Maury ( — William Maury Morris II Talk 19:54, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Portal structure
Adam, I'm trying, as a newbie, to make the Help documentation on Wikisource a little more understandable to other newcomers. So I'm starting with users/readers, then going on to proofreading and adding texts. I have a few questions about where portals fit into the whole picture, and since I see you created Help:Portal classification I thought you might be able to help me. Any help would be appreciated. Chris55 (talk) 22:20, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Was the Library of Congress classification part of Portals from the beginning or was it added later?
 * 2) How much does it have the support of the Wikisource community?
 * 3) What's the mechanism for insuring that new texts get given an entry in the Portal sections. How systematic? What's the average lag time?
 * 4) The common categories such as Library_of_Congress_Classification/Class_P go down to 6 levels but I can't see any way for the user to follow them down in the same way that the wiki category system works (e.g. links on that page). Is there one?

 * Sure. By the way, portals are intended for navigation and mostly act as a subject index to supplement categories.  They provide more information, in a more structured way, than is possible with the a category page. (Author pages also fill part of this role.)
 * There were a small handful of portals before the LOC classification. However, a lot of the current portals used to be in the Wikisource namespace.  The classification system was introduced when the pages were moved.  More portals were created after the system was adopted.
 * I haven't heard any objections.
 * None yet. I'm thinking of ways to do this but I have to research Python and running bots first.  Works are added to portals manually.  If any pages are missed, then they will stay missed until another user adds them.  I have a subpage, User:AdamBMorgan/Portal stats, to monitor the portalspace in general and I've experimented with templates like Latest additions (for example, on Portal:Geology) to help keep things up to date. Essentially, however, it is a ad hoc manual process.
 * I'm not sure what you mean. There are no wikilinks on that page because there is little consensus about wikilinking and any wikilinks that were to be added would probably link to articles on Wikipedia rather than the portals.  If you mean starting/landing points for the portalspace, the top of the portal tree is Portal:Portals and you should be able to follow that down.  Alternatively, Portal:Index provides a list of everything in one place.  You should be able to navigate up and down the tree from the links in any given portal (that was my intent anyway; please tell me if it doesn't work).  If you mean the numeric portion of the classification, we currently only use the alphabetic portion as the numbers represent more detail than we expect to need.  For example, poetry starts from PN101 but Portal:Poetry just uses the "PN" element. The only portals that are really fixed are the classes and subclasses established by the LOC classification; any child portals are up to Wikisource users.  For an idea of how I see the portal structure in my head, see the diagram to the right.
 * I think the history behind portals and the LCCN system is covered here:
 * Scriptorium/Archives/2010-09
 * Scriptorium/Archives/2010-12
 * Scriptorium/Archives/2010-10
 * Classification mostly started with Cygnis insignis' comment "We provide searchable content, if we need a subject index to that we should adopt a published and authoritative one." Of the classification systems available, Library of Congress Classification is in the public domain (Dewey is under copyright).
 * Incidentally, I started a Beginner's Guide for Wikisource but I haven't finished it yet (I plan to move it to the Help namespace when I have). That was meant to cover some of the same area, as I know there isn't much help at the entry level.  I'm not sure if that will help or not. (It doesn't cover reading offline yet, by the way, which is a very recent addition to Wikisource.) - AdamBMorgan (talk) 02:20, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Adam, that's really helpful, particularly the links to the archives which I'm in the process of reading.
 * I've already revamped the Help:Reading page and added a Help:Exporting a book page, and I think your Beginner's guide is a big improvement on Help:Introduction and I'll purloin it if I may. My next step is to rehash the main page Help:Contents. The best model I found was the French one which I think is brilliant. Unfortunately it's being rehashed, though whether because of someone's hobbyhorse or for some better reason I'm not sure. I'll probably stick to a more mundane tabular form.
 * On (3) I'm at the same stage as you, wanting to do some bots but not quite there yet.
 * On (4) what I mean is to replace the names in Library_of_Congress_Classification/Class_P by links to the appropriate Portal entries. I was thinking I could do it systematically but I see it's a little harder since, for instance, the entry Medieval (to 1500) corresponds to Portal:Medieval texts which is understandable. But I'd be happy to do the systematic edit if you are prepared to go through and make the corrections;-) Incidentally, would it make more sense if those pages were themselves in the Portal namespace?
 * One question I forgot. Are there a significant number of portal entries that are not included in the LC classification?
 * Chris55 (talk) 09:19, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Whoops, forget my comment on (4). I got confused between PN and PR! Chris55 (talk) 10:39, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

 * The only really unclassfied portal is Portal:Index Librorum Haliday because I'm not sure what it is (probably an archive and/or biology). Technically, the contents of Category:Miscellaneous portals list portals not covered by the original LC classification; I added Class X to cover these cases.  As it's come up, I've moved the beginner's guide to the Help namespace.  I will finish it there but it might still be of some use to users in the mean time. It can be moved or further adjusted at any time.  The Library of Congress Classification is a work in it's own right, so it should stay in the main namespace, but I have no personal objection to wikilinking.  Be aware, though, that there have been objections to wikilinks in the past (where any wikilinking in the body of a work has been called an annotation, a subject on which there is currently no consensus on Wikisource).  Your rearrangement of the Help contents page looks good to me so far. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 12:34, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I see that the recommended place to start browing in places like Welcome is still Works. I thought I found a reference to that in the help section too, but can't find it. Since most of the branches are in your LCC portals I guess it doesn't matter.
 * I've added your Beginner's guide to the main help page. That's a really helpful addition. I realise that to some extent we're setting up parallel trees so I haven't added all the descendents. Many of the existing files are very poorly written but I'll be taking a little time off to take a project through from A-Z to make sure I understand the issues of loading files, which I haven't yet done.
 * I see the style guide says "Words or references that may be difficult to understand can be linked to their Wikipedia or Wiktionary entries using the syntax word (Wikipedia) or word ." Seems a rather silly distinction: the Wiktionary article on transclusion is not at all informative, for example. But both take you out of the Wiksource environment, which is presumably the argument against it. Chris55 (talk) 16:15, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

danged w:
Adam, why is it that when I create a hyperlink on wikisource to wikipedia the w: always appears before the wording as in "General Grant's w:scorched earth policy". Is it supposed to be that way? I think the w: should, somehow, be concealed. I think I must be doing something wrong but I do not know. — William Maury Morris II Talk 04:15, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Maury, its happening because it's a bare link. If you pipe it it will disappear. e.g. scorched earth . Note Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 04:58, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

 * OH! Thank you ever so much! I once knew that but I had forgotten it! Whew, what a relief! Thank you, Beeswaxcandle. You sure are handy to have around! Respectfully, Maury <— William Maury Morris II Talk 05:19, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Outlines of European History
Hi, I've been told that Tannertsf is not planning to return here in the near future, so I've been looking through his works and sorting out where I can the half-transclusions etc. I've now come to Index:Outlines of European History.djvu. I can't see that anything has happened to it since I sorted out the print-pages in the page list back in February. Looking carefully at the pages, there are very few proofread pages and those that are marked as "not proofread" have at most a couple of paragraphs of their content. I'm inclined to revert everything back to the way Blurpeace had it before it was demanded for the classroom, but I thought I would check in with you as you were the admin who reset it back in May 2011. What do you think? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:05, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

 * I know the above is not for me but I would like to state that I like Tannertsf, believe he does good work when he wants to, and I hope that he returns. He is a very sensitive fellow but apparently (to me) a good person. Kindest regards to everyone, — William Maury Morris II Talk 05:44, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

 * Beeswaxcandle: I always planned to revert the deletions, to return Blurpeace's contributions to the edit history, once the proofreading was complete. If the proofreading isn't going to happen at all then feel free to revert. WMM: I hope he comes back too. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 10:13, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

 * All done. I too hope he returns, we did some good work together on various works. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:31, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Adding texts/proofreading help
Adam,

I'm confused by the addition you've made to Help:Adding texts. In particular you've added a "proofreading" section of which the first 6 items are nothing to do with proofreading afaics. Already there was a section "Transclusion" in the Help:Proofreading article and these two are now hopelessly intertwined.

I had been thinking of separating the two articles out more clearly with cross-references. ie. (mainly) move the transclusion section to Adding texts. The rationale is that I assume that many people do proofreading without understanding much about setting up documents and transclusion at all. Once people get on to adding texts, they can take on board the transclusion process. So "adding text" doesn't need to deal with proofreading at all. Are you happy with that? Chris55 (talk) 14:55, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

 * Help:Adding texts is meant as a quick guide rather than a full help page (at least, according to the note in the header). It follows on from Help:Introduction and it's intended more for new users, to tell them how to add a text.  My change was mainly to provide an overview of the preferred system rather than instructions to copy and paste from Project Gutenberg. The problem is not that people do not understand proofreading; it's that many people don't proofread at all and paste the text into a page, sometimes without attributing it to a source at all (eg. Gutenberg, Archive, Google, personal transcription etc).  Proofreading is preferred, and unproofread texts should be attributed, but this was not what we were telling new users to do with our own documentation.  Help:Adding texts at least needs to mention proofreading and provide links for further information.

 * I'm happy for this page to be modified further but I don't think it should be made any more complicated than necessary. If the new user wants to know more, they can follow the links.  Help:Proofreading can be split but, for this reason, I would not recommend adding any of it to Help:Adding texts.  Perhaps copy over the redirect for Help:Transclusion?  As for the section, "Proofreading" was a general title for the whole "workspace" approach to transcribing texts, as I wanted to break up the larger "Basic procedure" section.  I've made a modification to the section titles and included a link to Help:Proofreading that I should have included originally. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 16:59, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I can understand that some people skip proofreading altogether and that's a major problem. But I can't see how loading a file comes under proofreading at all. And the "adding text" page is called an "introduction" - I'm not sure where it is supposed to be in the hierarchy! But transclusion isn't actually dealt with elsewhere. You haven't yet written the "finishing work" beginner article.
 * Basically I assume we need 2 series: an introduction and a systematic treatment. Your beginners series overlaps the "introductions" that were there and to which I've added. We should probably try and merge them. e.g. your slot for "reading offline" is what I've termed "downloading a book". I would see "adding texts" and "proofreading" as part of the systematic series. Do we need a "quick guide" series in addition? Chris55 (talk) 09:32, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

title: User talk:AdamBMorgan/Archive 7


text:
User talk:Andrew Gray

— billinghurst  sDrewth  11:25, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Autopatroller
I have given you this right. Charles Matthews (talk) 12:21, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

A Journey in Khorassan and Central Asia
I hope I did not intrude when I transcluded A Journey in Khorassan and Central Asia. I proofread the last page, so it seemed the right thing to do at the time. I mention this as I have also now added it to New Texts on the main page, which I forgot to do at the time. Although I think you are already aware, I should probably mention that I created a category on Commons for the book scan and the images I derived from it (the map and both signatures; derived from the PDF version because it is less compressed than the DjVu). Anyway, it is a nice book and thanks for adding it to Wikisource. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 02:35, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

British Library (Legislation Sources)
Hi..

As you claim to be the Wikipedian in Residence at the BL, I was wondering if you were able to check if the BL holds a copy of the 'Chronological Table of The Statutes' issued variously from some time in Victoria's reign

Currently Wikisource has an 1877 version, but i;n attempting to transcribe the table I've noted a few damaged or pages with missing text. As the BL was at one time a 'deposit library' for the UK it should have a copy of the original.

Amongst other items sought are scans of (and it's the Short title that is used as the 'Wikisource' title in most cases.)
 * Statute Law Revision Act 1948, because this includes Short Titles for a number of measures

a version upto 1962 although a version updated to 2010 is supposed to exist. The reason for requesting this is also in determining short titles and in noting repeals.
 * Chronological Tables of The Statutes (of Public General Acts) later than 1877, - My local library sources for this give

From some very quick scanning on archive.org, it appears that there was a series of 'Public General Statutes' documents published during the reigns of Victoria and Edward VII, which would help in tracking down the short titles. (The UK SLD site does not hold legislation that became spent or was repealed before 1991)
 * Repealed Legislation passed prior to 1991.  Wikisource has an edition of Ruffhead(which would help fill in the gaps in respect of early statutes), but this runs only as far as 9 Geo3,

Sfan00 IMG (talk) 17:37, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Courtesy Talkback (see my user talk page)Sfan00 IMG (talk) 20:19, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Behramji Malabari
Hi, I have created the author page of Behramji Malabari. Since you started Index:Malabari, Behramji M. - Gujarat and the Gujaratis (1882).djvu, I thought to notify you. Cheers. Solomon7968 (talk) 14:13, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Statutes...
We have Index:Pickering - The Statutes at Large - Vol 43, Part 1 (1801, 41 George III).pdf

but I don't seem to be able to find a scan for Volume 43, Part II covering 1802 ?

Do you know of one? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:27, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

 * Hmm. This goes up to c. 109 on p. 345, plus local acts. According to the Chronological Table, this is complete for 41 Geo 3. The 1802 volume picks up at the start of 42 Geo 3 - c1 is duties on malt, c2 duties on pensions, c3 fish, etc. So for avoidance of doubt, there is a complete run of statutes here, even though the series changed.
 * The statutes.org.uk list doesn't have Part 2 of Pickering, but if you're worried about the archive.org version of the Tomlins volume being deleted, there's a volume here which may have better licensing. Andrew Gray (talk) 21:08, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

 * Volume 43 part 2 (Pickering) must have been published (in 1802/1803), because the 1803 volume is 44 Part I. That there isn't a scan for it (yet) doesn't suprise me given that an original will be getting on for 200 years old.  Wikisource seems to have a hybrid of various series in the relevant template currently, and my comments about some of the Google scans aren't printable.. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:38, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks... Can you look over the relevant templates: UK Statutes and Ruffhead volumes. The Google Books version for 1802/1803 is a possible replacement, provided it can be de-Googled ( Some of the other ex google scans have had to be 'repaired' locally by Wikisource contributors.)?

There are some volumes of the 1768 continuation of Ruffhead I've not located.. but I do seem to have found the continuation volumes of Runnington's edition.

 * Pinging some other people -

Thanks for the link to - https://statutes.org.uk :) . Maybe someone should drop the maintainers of that site a link to Wikisource, because if they already have OCR to contribute, it's going to be a lot faster to get stuff transcribed.. I also note some volumes contributors here found that aren't necessarily mentioned on their site. :)

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:34, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * What is currently lacking in the run of scans, as far as I can tell is scans covering 5Geo3-25Geo3 (Possibly covered by some volumes of Pickering's edition?), A sequence for pre 1707 Scottish Acts, and a sequence for pre 1800 Irish Acts. The template may need updating to accommodate that there are various sequences of volumes. ( I will also mention that User:Fæ seems to be doing some kind of mass pull from legislation.gov.uk as well. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:34, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

 * Also IIRC, there's a table in Volume 1 of Statutes of the Realm, which lists a number of collected editions prior to 1800?... ( Some of these early collections will most likely not have scans ). ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:40, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

 * I'm not quite sure what you're asking me to look over here, and I'm not sure I have any time to work on this at the moment, sorry. Andrew Gray (talk) 21:44, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

 * Just a quick check, With respect to the later items, What is the status of the additional content in the scanned works? And can Wikisource/Commons actually host them? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:19, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

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 ghouls which stuck forth from the sides appeared to be tireless, unearthly sentinels, waiting, watching for a suitable offering for their drooling master within.

The stick-bodied widow, shut off in a little corner impervious to the noisy streets around her, had prized the six-inch-high box much more than anything else she owned, because of the eccentric affection her husband had placed on it when he was alive. Though he always feared the box, he would sit and watch it for hours, without uttering mpre than a phrase. One time when his wife had returned from shopping, she found him standing in the little yard, blanched and trembling.

"Never, never, can we sell or dispose of that box!" he cried. "The devil inside told me so; if we did, he would do something horrible!"

Mrs. Wright wondered whether her husband had concentrated for so long on the object that his imagination had given him that message, but because of the frightened look in his eyes she accepted what he said and did not question him about it. Wright never spoke about the teakwood box after that, but he sat with it oftener than before; his face, rather than appearing curious, had a grim, hypnotized look as he gazed in silence upon the treasure.

Carefully dusted several times a week, and kept glistening with polish, the curio had rested in a place of honor on the living-room mantelpiece, where it sometimes glowed a mysterious, uncanny luster when a few stray rays of the sun penetrated to it from the curtained windows.

Mrs. Wright could not comply with the ransom demands of the thief who had snatched it and realized the esteem placed on the box by its owner, because of the obvious care with which it was kept. The old woman was sniffling softly into a tiny, lace handkerchief which she clutched in thin, ivory-colored hands.

"One hundred and fifty bucks or nothin'!" sneered San Pedro Joe. These old people got on his nerves. They were so damned irritating and slow.

"But I can't— can't get that much money," trembled Mrs. Wright, her fingers tightening around the phone receiver.

"You're out of luck then, old woman,'" deridingly returned the thief, and hung up. Ordinarily, he would have dickered to get the best price possible for the stolen object, even though it was lower than he first demanded. But in this case, it gave him a feeling of satisfaction to crush brutally the faltering woman's happiness. San Pedro Joe slowly stepped out of the phone booth, and quickened his pace as he neared the store entrance. He spat at the curbing.

His pasty, selfish face was set off by thin, twisting lips. The black suit he wore was ill-kept, bulging in the wrong places. It was young Joe's habit to drum his fingers on any surface convenient when he was uneasy, and that was most of the time. His watery, cold blue eyes were continually shifting, weighing people he encountered. Joe specialized in robbing ill-kept, run-down homes; there was nearly always something worth his troubles, and then his victims seldom could afford to have much investigation concerning their losses. He was like a cunning spider feeding on bewildered, fluttering moths caught in his net.

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After a snack of cold beans and white bread, gulped with some warmed-over coffee, joe brought the teakwood box out from the place where he had hidden it under the messy sink. Darkness had come and the moon had not yet risen. Billows of black, angry clouds were' scattered in the sky. Putting the box on the kitchen table, he stood back and regarded the thing. It appeared ominous and resentful on the scarred table-top under the white ceiling light. Joe thought he sensed a feeling of unearthly life in the booty before him. Someone down the hall was coughing hoarsely, and the thief felt chilled.

Suddenly, Joe returned to himself and became intensely curious about that box. He considered what he had found out about it from Mrs. Wright, who, in her desire to get her treasure back, had breathlessly poured out the whole story when questioned. Maybe Mrs. Wright's old man had cached some precious stones or money in the container, conjectured Joe, and had fabricated the yarn about the curse in order to keep people from trying to open the box. The thief, flamed by his greed, decided the teakwood curio deserved an investigation before he discarded it.

At first, he picked up a hammer which was kept in one of the dish-closet drawers, but after a moment's consideration, he determined to try and open the box by its mechanism. Perhaps he could sell it to an antique-dealer after examining what might be inside. Yet had that been the real reason for his decision to use care? Joe wished that fool down the hall would keep quiet; for the first time in his life he felt uncertain, confused.

San Pedro Joe was proud of his ability to do a neat job on breaking into houses, opening strong-boxes, and his conceit prompted him again to forget his forebodings and test his skill by attempting to discover the combination of the box; otherwise, being increasingly nervous, he probably would not have taken the pains which he did to open it so carefully. His fingers trembled—he licked dry, swollen lips. After working for some minutes, he roughly pushed the box from him. Joe imagined the curse, the words of evil, an idol guardian might have incanted on the one who pried into the sacred box, for perhaps it contained some treasured jewels or a temple secret, rather than being simply a hiding-place for Wright's pennies.

HE investigator eagerly, impatiently, bent over the shining teakwood again, as though suddenly possessed, and continued his manipulation of the curio's carved knobs and queer levers. For a moment, he thought he detected a slight, shrill cry, followed by a tiny, penetrating whistle. Sweat broke out on Joe's brow as he doggedly kept at his task, fascinated, now unable to pause. Shortly hepressed an unobtrusive bump which had been revealed by sliding a ghoulish little figure ornamenting the container's front to one side. The lid slowly raised upward, as though controlled by a hidden spring. The crook nervously pressed harder on the button he had discovered, in order to hasten the opening of the lid. He was waiting for something—his finger seemed frozen to the box, his whole body was stiffened. Sweat was trickling down his back, yet he was somehow cold.

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The Tellers of Weird Tales blog has some information, and there is a short entry on the ISFDB. He is mentioned in his father's article on Wikipedia. Most of his work appears to be in periodicals. Google Books searches show smoe of these. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 13:20, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

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An Indecent Attack on the First Amendment

AN INDECENT ATTACK ON THE FIRST AMENDMENT

HON. RON PAUL

OF TEXAS IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Wednesday, March 10, 2004 AN INDECENT ATTACK ON THE FIRST AMENDMENT

Mr. PAUL. Mr. Speaker, we will soon debate the ""' on the House floor. This atrocious piece of legislation should be defeated. It cannot improve the moral behavior of U.S. citizens, but it can do irreparable harm to our cherished right to. This attempt at regulating and punishing indecent and sexually provocative language suggests a comparison to the religious police of, who control the ." Though both may be motivated by the good intentions of improving moral behavior, using government force to do so is fraught with great danger and has no chance of success. Regulating speech is a dangerous notion, and not compatible with the principles of a free society. The Founders recognized this, and thus explicitly prohibited Congress from making any laws that might abridge freedom of speech or of the press. But we have in recent decades seen a steady erosion of this protection of free speech. This process started years ago when an arbitrary distinction was made by the political left between commercial and non-commercial speech, thus permitting government to regulate and commercial speech. Since only a few participated in commercial speech, few cared--and besides, the government was there to protect us from unethical advertisements. Supports of this policy failed to understand that anti-fraud laws and state laws could adequately deal with this common problem found in all societies. Disheartening as it may be, the political left, which was supposed to care more about the first amendment than the right, has ventured in recent years to curtail so-called "hate speech" by championing political correctness. In the last few decades we've seen the political-correctness crowd, in the name of improving personal behavior and language, cause individuals to lose their jobs, cause careers to be ruined, cause athletes to be trashed, and cause public speeches on liberal campuses to be disrupted and even banned. These tragedies have been caused by the so-called champions of free speech. Over the years, tolerance for the views of those with whom campus liberals disagree has nearly evaporated. The systematic and steady erosion of freedom of speech continues. Just one year ago we saw a coalition of both left and right push through the radical, which strictly curtails the rights of all Americans to speak out against particular candidates at the time of elections. Amazingly, this usurpation by Congress was upheld by the Supreme Court, which showed no concern for the restrictions on political speech during political campaigns. Instead of admitting that money and corruption in government is not a consequence of too much freedom of expression, but rather a result of government acting outside the bounds of the Constitution, this new law addressed a symptom rather than the cause of special interest control of our legislative process. And now comes the right's attack on the first amendment, with its effort to stamp out "indecent" language on the airways. And it will be assumed that if one is not with them in this effort, then one must support the trash seen and heard in the movie theaters and on our televisions and radios. For social rather than constitutional reasons, some on the left express opposition to this proposal. But this current proposal is dangerous. Since most Americans--I hope--are still for of political ideas and religious beliefs, no one claims that anyone who endorses freedom of speech therefore endorses the nutty philosophy and religious views that are expressed. We should all know that the first amendment was not written to protect non-controversial mainstream speech, but rather the ideas and beliefs of what the majority see as controversial or fringe. The temptation has always been great to legislatively restrict rudeness, prejudice, and minority views, and it's easiest to start by attacking the clearly obnoxious expressions that most deem offensive. The real harm comes later. But "later" is now approaching. The failure to understand that radio, TV, and movies more often than not reflect the peoples' attitudes prompts this effort. It was never law that prohibited moral degradation in earlier times. It was the moral standards of the people who rejected the smut that is now routine entertainment. Merely writing laws and threatening huge fines will not improve the moral standards of the people. Laws like the proposed

"Broadcast Indecency Act of 2004" merely address the symptom of a decaying society, while posing a greater threat to freedom of expression. Laws may attempt to silence the bigoted and the profane, but the hearts and minds of those individuals will not be changed. Societal standards will not be improved. Government has no control over these standards, and can only undermine in its efforts to make individuals more moral or the economy fairer. Proponents of using government authority to censor certain undesirable images and comments on the airwaves resort to the claim that the airways belong to all the people, and therefore it's the government's responsibility to protect them. The mistake of never having privatized the radio and TV airwaves does not justify ignoring the first amendment mandate that "" When everyone owns something, in reality nobody owns it. Control then occurs merely by the whims of the politicians in power. From the very start, licensing of radio and TV frequencies invited government censorship that is no less threatening than that found in societies.

We should not ignore the smut and trash that has invaded our society, but laws like this will not achieve the goals that many seek. If a moral society could be created by law, we would have had one a long time ago. The religious fundamentalists in control of other countries would have led the way. Instead, authoritarian violence reigns in those countries. If it is not recognized that this is the wrong approach to improve the quality of the airways, a heavy price will be paid. The solution to decaying moral standards has to be voluntary, through setting examples in our families, churches, and communities--never by government coercion. It just doesn't work. But the argument is always that the people are in great danger if government does not act by: (a) Restricting free expression in advertising; (b) claiming insensitive language hurts people, and political correctness guidelines are needed to protect the weak; (c) arguing that campaign finance reform is needed to hold down government corruption by the special interests; (d) banning indecency on the airways that some believe encourages immoral behavior. If we accept the principle that these dangers must be prevented through coercive government restrictions on expression, it must logically follow that all dangers must be stamped out, especially those that are even more dangerous than those already dealt with. This principle is adhered to in all totalitarian societies. That means total control of freedom of expression of all political and religious views. This certainly was the case with the Soviets, the Nazis, the Cambodians, and the Chinese communists. And yet these governments literally caused the deaths of hundreds of millions of people throughout the 20th Century. This is the real danger, and if we're in the business of protecting the people from all danger, this will be the logical next step. It could easily be argued that this must be done, since political ideas and fanatical religious beliefs are by far the most dangerous ideas known to man. Sadly, we're moving in that direction, and no matter how well intended the promoters of these limits on the first amendment are, both on the left and the right, they nevertheless endorse the principle of suppressing any expressions of dissent if one chooses to criticize the government. When the direct attack on political and religious views comes, initially it will be on targets that most will ignore, since they will be seen as outside the mainstream and therefore unworthy of defending-- like the Branch Davidians or Lyndon LaRouche. has it right (at least on this one), and correctly fears the speech police. He states: ""I'm in the free speech business," as he defends and criticizes any government effort to curtail speech on the airways, while recognizing the media companies' authority and responsibility to self regulate. Congress has been a poor steward of the first amendment. This newest attack should alert us all to the dangers of government regulating freedom of speech--of any kind.

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Good source for documents and speeches

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 SESTINA OF THE TRAMP-ROYAL

' in general, I 'ave tried 'em all,

The 'appy roads that take you o'er the world.

Speakin' in general, I 'ave found them good

For such as cannot use one bed too long,

But must get 'ence, the same as I 'ave done,

An' go observin' matters till they die.

What do it matter where or 'ow we die,

So long as we've our 'ealth to watch it all—

The different ways that different things are done,

An' men an' women lovin' in this world—

Takin' our chances as they come along,

An' when they ain't, pretendin' they are good?

In cash or credit—no, it aren't no good;

You 'ave to 'ave the 'abit or you'd die,

Unless you lived your life but one day long,

Nor didn't prophesy nor fret at all,

But drew your tucker some'ow from the world,

An' never bothered what you might ha' done.

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The New International Encyclopædia/Hartel, Wilhelm von

HARTEL, här'tel, (1839—). An Austrian philologist. He was born at Hof, in Moravia, and studied at the University of Vienna. He was appointed professor of classical philology at Vienna in 1872, made a member of the Vienna Academy in 1875, of the Berlin Academy in 1893; and became a life member of the

House of Peers in 1890. In 1899 he was for a short time Minister of Education and Public Worship, to which post he was reappointed in 1900. His principal works are: Homerische Studien (1871-74; 2d ed. 1873); Demosthenische Studien (1877-78); Studien über attisches Staatsrecht und Urkundenwesen (1878); and various editions of classical authors, including the Breviarium of Eutropius (1872); Cyprian's Opera Omnia (3 vols., 1868-71); and Ennodius's Opera for the Corpus Scriptorum Ecclesiasticorum, published by the Vienna Academy of Sciences. He was made editor of the Zeitschrift für Oesterreichische Gymnasien in 1874; and with Schenkl founded the Wiener Studien, a journal on classical philology, in 1879.


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Rh But, Gawd, what things are they I 'aven't done?

I've turned my 'and to most, an' turned it good,

In various situations round the world—

For 'im that doth not work must surely die;

But that's no reason man should labour all

'Is life on one same shift; life's none so long.

Therefore, from job to job I've moved along.

Pay couldn't 'old me when my time was done,

For something in my 'ead upset me all,

Till I 'ad dropped whatever 'twas for good,

An', out at sea, be'eld the dock-lights die,

An' met my mate—the wind that tramps the world!

It's like a book, I think, this bloomin' world,

Which you can read and care for just so long,

But presently you feel that you will die

Unless you get the page you're readin' done,

An' turn another—likely not so good;

But what you're after is to turn 'em all.

Gawd bless this world! Whatever she 'ath done—

Excep' when awful long—I've found it good.

So write, before I die, ' ' E liked it all!'


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