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Vegreville

Vegreville (Веґревіль) is a town in central Alberta, Canada. It is on Highway 16A approximately 103 km east of Edmonton, Alberta's capital city. It was incorporated as a town in 1906, and that year also saw the founding of the Vegreville Observer, a weekly newspaper for the region.

A large percentage of Vegreville's population is of Ukrainian Canadian descent, and it is home to the Vegreville egg, the world's second largest pysanka (Ukrainian Easter egg).

Climate
Vegreville experiences a humid continental climate (Köppen climate classification Dfb).

Demographics
In the 2021 Census of Population conducted by Statistics Canada, the Town of Vegreville had a population of 5,689 living in 2,463 of its 2,735 total private dwellings, a change of NaN% from its 2016 population of 5,708. With a land area of 14.08 km2, it had a population density of in 2021.

In the 2016 Census of Population conducted by Statistics Canada, the Town of Vegreville recorded a population of 5,708 living in 2,429 of its 2,734 total private dwellings, a NaN% change from its 2011 population of 5,717. With a land area of 14.08 km2, it had a population density of in 2016.

The Town of Vegreville's 2012 municipal census counted a population of 5,758, a 1.3% decrease over its 2010 municipal census population of 5,834.

 * Age distribution:
 * 0 to 19: 26.3%
 * 20 to 64: 50.3%
 * 65+: 23.3%

 * Mother tongue:
 * English: 4,185
 * French: 105
 * Other: 1,015

Economy
Vegreville functions as a key economic center for the northeastern and east-central regions of the province, with its diverse economic sectors encompassing agriculture, energy, and retail industries. As a significant agricultural hub, Vegreville boasts a thriving farming community that cultivates a variety of crops and supports livestock production. The local energy sector, primarily driven by oil and gas extraction, plays a crucial role in the area's economic growth, while the retail sector offers a range of goods and services, catering to both residents and visitors alike. This multifaceted economy enables Vegreville to maintain a robust and dynamic economic landscape, contributing to the overall prosperity of the region.

Arts and culture

Due to Vegreville's close relationship with the 41 Combat Engineer Regiment, a Canadian Forces Reserve unit based in Edmonton, the Regiment is the only Canadian Forces unit with Freedom of the Town and parades held on Remembrance Day in the town.

Pysanka Festival
The Pysanka Festival is an annual cultural event in Vegreville, Alberta, that celebrates the region's rich Ukrainian heritage. Held over a weekend in July, the festival features a wide range of activities and attractions, including folk art workshops, live musical performances, traditional Ukrainian dance performances, and a diverse selection of ethnic cuisine. Additionally, the event provides a platform for local artisans and vendors to showcase and sell their handcrafted products.

First established in 1973 as a small community gathering, the Pysanka Festival aimed to preserve and promote Ukrainian culture in Vegreville and its surrounding areas. Over the years, it has evolved into a significant event, drawing thousands of visitors from across Canada and beyond. The festival has hosted various renowned performers and artists throughout its history and has embraced themed celebrations, such as the "Year of the Family" in 1994, which emphasized the importance of family within Ukrainian culture. As a key contributor to Vegreville's cultural identity and tourism industry, the Pysanka Festival fosters community pride and unity.

The 51st edition of the Pysanka Festival is set to be held July 5, 6 and 7, 2024.

Vegreville Country Fair
The Vegreville Agricultural Society holds an annual five day "Country Fair" in August. The Fair starts with a parade on Main Street, which includes participation from various associations, businesses, and individuals who display antique vehicles, farm equipment, horses, wagons, and a variety of parade floats. After the parade, the Fair continues with a wide range of activities such as a midway, grandstand shows, chuckwagon and chariot races, a marketplace, and many other events for attendees to partake in.

Following the COVID-19 pandemic, the fair was extended from previously being a three-day event, to five days. This welcomed 21,006 people who attended the 118th Annual Country Fair in 2021, a significant increase from the previously seen 12,000 people who attended the fair in 2019. The 2022 119th Annual Country Fair welcomed Gord Bamford for a "Special Event Concert" with Dean Brody performing at the 2023 120th edition of the fair.

Attractions

Vegreville's pysanka, the second largest Ukrainian Easter egg in the world, was created to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in 1974 and to celebrate Vegreville's ethnic heritage. On July 6, 2009, the pysanka was one of four attractions featured on the first set of the Canadian Roadside Attractions Series of stamps issued by Canada Post.

Media
Vegreville is serviced by the Vegreville News Advertiser weekly newspaper, an independently-owned newspaper established in 1950. Vegreville is also serviced by local radio station Country 106.5.

Infrastructure
The town is bisected by Canadian National Railway's Vegreville Subdivision, a rail line connecting Vegreville to Edmonton in the west and to Lloydminster in the east.

Notable people

 * George Bures Miller, artist
 * Kyle Brodziak, NHL player
 * Dennis Kassian, NHL & WHA player
 * Cam Cole, journalist
 * Linda Craddock (b. 1952), visual artist
 * Laurence Decore, Ukrainian Canadian lawyer, former mayor of Edmonton, Alberta, and former leader of the Alberta Liberal Party
 * Roderick D. Fraser, 11th President of the University of Alberta (1995–2005)
 * Herschel Hardin, writer, playwright, and politician
 * Simma Holt, journalist, author, former Member of Parliament, and Member of the Order of Canada
 * Daymond Langkow, former NHL forward
 * Don Mazankowski, politician and federal Deputy Prime Minister under Brian Mulroney
 * Virgil P. Moshansky, Ukrainian Canadian jurist and former mayor of Vegreville
 * David Motiuk, Catholic bishop of Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy of Edmonton
 * Lillian Sarafinchan, Canadian visual artist, teacher, and production designer
 * Brent Severyn, former NHL defenseman
 * Valerie Sweeting, curler

In popular culture
Season 4, episode 14 of Fox Television's The X-Files series entitled "Memento Mori" references Vegreville. FBI Agent Fox Mulder realizes the town name is the password needed to hack into a computer after discovering a Vegreville pysanka souvenir snow globe on the desk next to the computer.

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Religion
The Jews of Dagestan still exist and have a community. I suggest editing the paragraph beginning with "A relatively large community of native Tati speaking Jews, designated by the Soviet state censuses as the "Mountain Jews" were also present in this same coastal areas, but since 1991 and the collapse of the Soviet Union they have migrated to Israel and the United States." "Tati" should be "Tat". I'm not sure the Tati are the same people. " ' They developed their own language known as "Tat," a combination of Persian (Farsi) mixed heavily with Hebrew. Today Derbent's population of 3,000 Jews (within a mostly Muslim population of 100,000) maintains its own Tat Theater and Tat-language newspaper.' " http://www.chabad.org/news/article_cdo/aid/1036/jewish/Mountain-Jews-Of-Caucasus-Cling-To-Traditions.htm

Add a comma after "Mountain Jews". Substitute "they have" with "many have". Labellesanslebete (talk) 19:33, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Flag Replaced
I replaced File:Flag of Dagestan.svg with File:FlagodDaghestan.PNG for more info read the discussion on page:Flag of Dagestan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Awarli (talk • contribs) 16:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

History????
No history sectio? What's up with that?71.192.134.75 (talk) 02:44, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, there's a history now and some of it might be accurate, but some of it is absurdly wrong. I'm going to edit the section about the Golden Horde. The Golden Horde was the khanate that evolved from the Mongol invasions, so it couldn't have had an alliance that protected anyone in the Caucasus from the invasions. The statement is an anachronism. If there's some underlying truth, then someone can come behind me and put it back in with wording that makes sense. Ftjrwrites (talk) 21:02, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

The history section is a little suspect regarding neutral POV. The communists are referred to as 'Bolsheviks' (majority-ites) but the Whites are referred to as 'reactionaries', the Ottoman invaders are referred to as 'liberating' Dagestan, but no foundation is provided for presenting the occupation of this multi-ethnic region by a foreign (Turkish) power as a 'liberation' from its former (Russian) rulers. Perhaps its just my own POV but the selection of terms seems at times like a collaboration between an unreconstructed Marxist and an Islamist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.230.120.241 (talk) 07:48, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Alleged Dagestan / Dahae connection
Some western classicists believe Dagestan derives from the Dahae aka Daae people, who were described as living on the northeast and east side of the Caspian by Strabo. I'm not saying there's any truth to it, but I assume somebody has looked into the question. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrcautious (talk • contribs) 22:02, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Might be intentional... who is your daddy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.172.135.14 (talk) 16:47, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Map is almost useless
Nice picture of Russia at the top of the page. Oh, that barely colored tiny area on the left edge is Dagestan. Yeah, that really conveyed its location immediately (not). Too many maps are like this on Wikipedia. Come on people, are we even trying anymore? How hard would it be to add an arrow or a circle or a zoomed-in callout? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.48.4.128 (talk) 17:16, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

source
why so few source? it must be more sourcing.

Source of the history section?
What is the source for the history section? There are no inline citations. I will start removing some passages in the future if no source is provided and if I cannot easily find one. Offliner (talk) 00:18, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Toponymy
Can anyone supply transliterations of the name of the republic in the local languages? Skinsmoke (talk) 17:51, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * All but Kumyk now added. Can anyone help with this one?  Skinsmoke (talk) 18:21, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * One should note somewhere, all though that is the "official-ized" Chechen name for Dagestan, there are still Chechens who use "Süliin"(or Suliyn) for "Dagestani" and name Dagestan likewise. The thing is that "Süliin" means "Avar". --Yalens (talk) 20:58, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

The lezgian name is mis-transliterated = Lezgian – Республика Дагъустан (Suwarin xalq'pačaħ) can anyone please clarify — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.34.210.189 (talk) 04:49, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Dagestan name
The word Daghestan or Daghistan means "land of throne", it is derived from the Daghestanian "Dagh" word meaning throne and Persian suffix -stan meaning "land of".

This is true. İranians called Dagestan / land of mountains, so russians called here / strana gor. But autochtone nations Dargins, Leks , Avars... etc people called here Daghestan , the country of throne. Turkic and İranian and Russian claims are false. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.106.177.240 (talk) 17:57, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

i delete shepherd stories, mansur ushurman's. there is no connection between mansur and dagestan. mansur was leader of chechni, circassians. Dagestan is so far, so high !
 * The Dagestanis call and spell the name of their land Dagestan, not Daghestan, English uses both names, so can anybody explain why the form that is both Dagestani and English is not used, but was selected spelling that is NOT used by the natives? Following WP practices, the native form of the name takes precedent. Please state your objections to renaming from Daghestan to Dagestan. Barefact (talk) 20:50, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Politics of Dagestan
The link to the main 'Politics of Dagestan' page goes to the page 'Dagestan' which it is on (apologies for the convoluted nature of that sentence), furthermore there appears to be no page called 'Politics of Dagestan' on Wikipedia as a whole. Should this link therefore be removed? Or someone create the page relevant? Thenextpm (talk) 14:21, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * One can most certainly create such a page, but until then the "main link" in any section should never be a red link or, as was the case here, a self-redirect. I've removed the link for now. Thanks for catching this! Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 17, 2014 ; 16:07 (UTC)

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GDP
Whats about GDP, and GDP per capita? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beshogur (talk • contribs) 14:23, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

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As Mongolian authority gradually eroded
The Mongolian (presumably Empire) turns up in this article without any other mention: "As Mongolian authority gradually eroded." It would be helpful if the article mentioned Mongolian influence earlier and how that impacted the area at the time so that we understand how retreat of the Mongolian influence is significant. Thisisnotatest (talk) 02:31, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

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Post-Soviet era
The section describes only part of fights. Russian Wikipedia contains a timeline of history.Xx236 (talk) 06:45, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

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Dagestan is NOT in Europe
Europe and Asia are divided by the Ural mountains. Dagestan is in Central Asia Historiaantiqua (talk) 09:02, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

 * I second this... Dagestan is not a European land. 87.71.14.31 (talk) 12:36, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * As it presently stands the signification of it being in Europe is weakly cited. However no sources at all have been presented to indicate it is in Asia instead. Suggest WP:RS be provided. Simonm223 (talk) 12:50, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The location of it in Europe isn't cited in the article at all. Not just weakly cited. The most generous this should be without citation is "between Europe and Asia". 87.71.14.31 (talk) 03:01, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This is from a report by the European Environmental Agency: "In the main, this report uses the common geographical definition which excludes the trans-Caucasian republics, Greenland and Anatolia. The border with Asia is taken to follow the Ural mountains, the river Ural to the Caspian Sea, the Manych valley to the Sea of Azov and the Black Sea, and the Bosporus". The line between the Capsian sea to the Manych Valley to the Sea of Azov lies well off north of Dagestan. 87.71.14.31 (talk) 03:18, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Can anyone with higher editing rights check this out to see if this can be sorted? 87.71.16.68 (talk) 13:26, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That constitutes WP:SYNTH as the report is not about Dagestan. Do you have a source that says "Dagestan is in Asia?" Simonm223 (talk) 15:30, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * There is no source saying "Dagestan is in Eastern Europe" either... Someone decided to write it this way and you're keeping it this way. This is literally crazy. You're insisting on keeping an article talking about a country of an indigenous Muslim-majority written in a way that frames its location in a way that's defined by its imperial occupier. This is insane. The continent part doesn't even have to be specified when it's clearly ambiguous. 87.71.19.177 (talk) 02:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

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General philosophy/Not Invented Here?
Having just used the argument on VfD that, if a film exists in IMDB [1], it's legit and therefore subject to Wiki having an article about it (specifically in reference to porn entries but I see that someon else used the same argument in reference to an obscure individual), I do wonder, philosophically, whether Wiki really intends to reinvent every encyclopedic database that already exists--such as IMDB, which has been around for quite a long time and is quite exhaustive in its film-related data. Thoughts? Has this already been discussed somewhere? Elf 02:53, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * Well, my immediate reaction is that "everything" has already been done - there are, after all, already encyclopedias, and even internet-accessible ones. But different sources of information will have different "slants" on that information - in other words, we should cover things covered by, say, IMDb, because they'll be covering them in an IMDb-y way, and we'll be covering them in a Wikipedian way. All just my opinion, of course... - IMSoP 03:05, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * It's all been done (a-woo-hoo-hoo). Information about nearly every article in wikipedia can be found on the web. The value in wikipedia is surely not the content per se, but the organisation and collation of that content into a single, searchable, easily navigatable collection. ShaneKing 03:22, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * I used to think that too. However Wikipedia contains a lot of material taken from "dead-tree" published works by the authors, which was not previously on the web (although once it's there via Wikipedia it tends to quickly propagate). - Hephæstos|§ 03:25, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * IMO Wikipedia would be pointless if we merely distilled what was on the web. But, many Wikipedians do seem to see it as this, and I respect their opinions. We see this attitude reflected in the VfD arguments to delete something merely because it doesn't get Google hits. Google is not God. Lots of independent Google hits are a good sign, but the fact that something isn't (yet) on the WWW shouldn't bar it from Wikipedia, surely! Andrewa 16:40, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

IMDb is only as good as what its users put on it. Although that may be said about Wikipedia, there really isn't any reason why our information isn't different from theirs. RickK 03:08, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * Ouch! "...really isn't...reason why...isn't different..." Too many negatives! It may be because it's late, but I have no idea what that actually means. - IMSoP 03:14, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * LOL. I think what I meant was that even though we may have information on the same movies, etc., our work could and probably would be different from theirs.  :) RickK 03:27, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

IMDb is not a free project. I think it is the case that Amazon is now the owner of a whole load of work submitted back when the db appeared to be free like WP is actually free. 217.159.40.50 10:08, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Clean up Requested Pictures
Requested pictures: Looks like there are tons of fulfilled requests still hangin'. If you made requests, please check 'em to be sure you got what you want & remove request. (Snoyes, there's still no photo for Crushing by elephant ;-) ) Elf 05:11, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * Crushing by elephant, eh? There's an engraving depicting just that in An Historical Relation of the Island Ceylon by Robert Knox (London, 1681). As it happens, I have access to both the original 1681 book and more modern facsimiles, so I'll see if I can get a copy/scan of the picture. There are a handful of copies on the web already but not very good quality ones, alas. -- ChrisO 11:12, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * Damn! :) I'll have a look at clear out some of the cruft. - snoyes 15:16, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Is it just me?
My auto-log in no longer works, not a serious problem; but when I do log in and then return to the Main Page I find I am logged out again. ping 07:27, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Vote: space between periods in initials?
Some style guides dictate that initials in people's names, or companies named after them, should be written with spaces after the periods and a space between the initials and the name, ie W. E. B. Du Bois. Others dictate against putting spaces between the initials, only a space between the initials and the name, ie W.E.B. Du Bois. Modern typographical practice in book and newspaper publishing leans towards the latter. (Currently, Wikipedia has a mixture of both.)

Please cast your vote: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions

 * -- Viajero 09:26, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

discussion continues at --> Wikipedia_talk%3ANaming conventions

Playground project
On the light side, I've started a playground equipment project--small project probably but photos would be good and existing entries (not enough of them) need excavating, reorganizing, expanding--see discussion at the project. Everyone's welcome to play. Elf 14:10, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Trust
Following a discussion on the mailing list, I knocked up Trust network to see if the "web of trust" concept has a chance of working. Comments welcome. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 14:55, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Auto-highlighting of self links
I stumbled on to this new (?) feature by accident. Since when did self-links become highlighted non-links? This would certainly make the job of creating lateral links (e.g. to other countries on a country's page) easier. --seav 15:38, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)

Summary line
This is probably not a useful place to do this, but I would like to urge, encourage, and beg people to use the summary line when you edit articles. Just a brief indication of the changes made, or "see talk page" if the changes can't be described briefly. Even -- especially -- if you're just fixing spelling or punctuation or wikifying something. --Charles A. L. 18:16, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)

 * Here, here! I'd like to add that even discussion page comments should be summarised - if there's more than one heading, it makes it so much easier to guess from your watchlist whether it's worth loading. - IMSoP 18:24, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * People might want to bear in mind that it's only the top edit that shows in people's watchlists too. So if you follow (complete rewrite) with (typo) it might be a good idea to say something like (spotted typo in complete rewrite) instead.  But yes, please fill the summary field for every edit, whether major or minor, so many sysops (who should know better?) don't do this.  /pet peeve.  fabiform | talk 22:12, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * Agree. Agree. It makes my Wikipedia time so much more pleasant and productive when people use the summary line! Andrewa 02:02, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * How about chaing the software so that a default summary (fixed typos,wikified) can be selected for minor edits. I know it seems lazy but it might encourage more people to fill out this field, when making very minor changes. I admit to being an occasional offender. Also it often seems a bit redundant to fill in summaries for talk pages. An automatic default (see comment, or some such) would be useful here. Washington irving 11:56, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * I'm not quite sure under what circumstances a default would be meaningful - unless it was a set of "commonly used choices" that could be selected by radio buttons. Section editing might be worthy of this approach, though, especially for discussion and meta (as in Wikipedia:) pages - something like "Change in section ==Summary line==" I was going to say "Comment in section..." but that would only work for Talk: pages, which this, for instance, isn't - but maybe that's not such a big deal. - IMSoP 14:03, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * Well I would make it a set of commonly used choices to be selected from a drop down list, but that's the basic idea. Some default text could also be generated from the first few words of the "diff" output, or something similar (just so that its not completely empty). Washington irving 15:06, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * The reason I was thinking of radio buttons is that I don't think HTML has an editable dropdown list element - either it's a text box, or it's a list, not both. You could probably make a JavaScript gadget that filled in the text box with items from the commonly-used list, and they would then be editable; but I'm not overly keen on features that rely on JavaScript unless absolutely necessary.  I've mocked up what it might look like in pure HTML  (beware, extremely dodgy HTML, but it shows some possible layouts) - IMSoP 15:47, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * They look cool. Just what I had in mind! Note that it would be fairly easy to automatically use the "commonly used list" only when 1. an item had been selected and 2. the text field was empty (i.e., no need for the radio buttons/tick boxes in versions 1 and 2). The fall back position (if neither of these was done) would be to automatically generate a summary based on the "diff" output. Guess this suggestion should go to the MediaWiki Feature Request pages at sourceforge (is that the right place to put the suggestion?) Washington irving 16:08, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * My only initial concern was that it would be non-obvious which out of the manual and preset summaries would be used, but I guess if it defaults to a non-entry as in "Version 0" on my test, it's pretty clear. Note that on clicking "preview", a selected preset summary could be copied into the text box for custom tweaking - which I think we want to encourage. [And some people advocate forcing preview, at least for some users] Sure, go ahead and submit to sourceforge - if I wasn't supposed to be doing coursework, I'd play about and try and implement it myself... - IMSoP 16:51, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC) (Oh, and you forgot to put an edit summary when you made your last comment! :-p)

 * Our of IMSoP's mockups [[extlink], Version 2 would be clearest for a newer user. If Version 2 automatically selected the correct radio button when someone types or selects a summary, it might be a go. Version 0 is certainly the simplest/cleanest (also a benefit)--but not as clear. Someone might try to both type and select. That  could maybe be fixed by changing default to something like "Or: Select a common editing summary".
 * BTW, even if nothing else changes, "Summary of edit:" shd be displayed instead of just "Summary:"; might get more people to type something once they know what it's a summary OF, which confused me at first. :-)
 * Final thought--need to be very careful in choosing summary list; e.g., if "comment" is a choice, expect to see thousands of "comment"s. Elf 17:00, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Atlantium
The msg:NPOV tag needs to be added to Atlantium. --> done

Sir,
Sir,

We are students from a local high school working on the creation of a website.

We are in need of information on HTML entities.

 * First, two notes: 1, you're not really 'local'- based off of your IP, you're in Brazil, which is local to very few of us here. 2, the place to ask specific questions is at Reference desk. But I suggest you look at http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/sgml/entities.html - that's the official list. -- Jake 23:04, 2004 Feb 17 (UTC)

questions from a canadian
I am a Canadian and i am wondering if it is possible to join your countries army..I need the requirements and if it is possible adn what i ahve to do to get adn and does the srmy sponsor me through employment to get it the army

 * What country's army? We're not an army...and we're not from one country (for example, I am also Canadian...) Adam Bishop 22:47, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * If you are referring to the US army (which I suspect you are), then yes - I know for a fact that foreign citizens are allowed to join. During operation Enduring freedom they did interviews with foriegn citizens serving in the US army. IIRC (and I could be wrong about this part) those serving in the army can be naturalized in 2 years instead of the normal 5. →Raul654 23:12, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)

 * Just a quick note, Raul: I don't think it's very polite to try and "tidy up" other people's comments - it's as though you are trying to change what they've already said, and rewrite history. Unless you're summarising, of course, but then you can make clear that it's not a direct quote. This is only my opinion, of course; feel free to disagree. [Plus, you didn't do a very thorough job]. - IMSoP 23:44, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * I think you're nitpicking here - while answering his question, I took the time to to correct obvious typos (ahve->have, adn->and, et al) to make it easier to read - honestly, I just did it out of habit without even giving it a second thought. I did not change his comment in any meaningful way other than to make it more readable. However, if the community agree with you, I'll stop. →Raul654 23:50, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)

 * Well, yes, I was rather - it was a very trivial change in this case, but it's kind of the thin end of the wedge. Had you corrected all the errors (including ones you missed, like "srmy"->"army", "adn and"->"and"), you would've changed quite a lot of the comment. And what if we were to extend it to grammatical errors as well? Then you are basically rewriting the comment... And you could "correct" "it the army" to "into the army", but then you're making an assumption about what the original message meant, and hiding the original version from other users who might have different interpretations... - IMSoP 23:58, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * You're right - that's why I only went for the really obvious ones, even though there were other errors I saw and could have corrected. I didn't want to change the comment in any material way. It's a judgement call, and I think I did the right thing. →Raul654 00:03, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)

 * Fair enough, I guess I was just erring on the side of caution or whatever. The ability to do it is a rather disorienting side-effect of using Wiki-pages for discussion. - IMSoP 20:46, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * Talk page states ...typing errors, grammar, etc are always fair game, and remove personal attacks where you can, but don't edit someone's words to have them say something they don't believe in...
 * Wikipedia talk:Remove personal attacks also has some relevant discussion about refactoring other people's words. My personal view is that it should be encouraged. I wish people would fix my typos on talk pages. :) Angela. 23:37, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)

"Anatole of Paris" by Sylvia Fine
--> Reference desk

WikiProject prototypes
Would anybody be interested in the various WikiProjects choosing something to be their representative article? The one that includes everything an ideal article should, and is written well, etc. Perhaps to be a running list at Featured articles (i.e. every WikiProject that has reached such a stage has the article listed at the top, with more added as the newer projects develop). Please respond at Wikipedia talk:Featured articles. Tuf-Kat 07:00, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)

Change in article count?
Has there recently been any change in the automatic article count algorithm? Andres 08:49, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * No, but an error in the counter was corrected. --Brion 09:07, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Mobile phone access to Wikipedia
Hi -- does anybody know if there is a way to access the Wikipedia from a mobile phone (cell phone)? This would entail a XHTML Mobile Profile or WML (WAP) version of the Wikipedia that could be accessed on pretty much any modern mobile phone. This would make a fantastic handheld access channel to the Wikipedia, with you at all times. -Ronan

A new xhtml skin that displays well on mobiles is underway, modeled after the Plone xhtml skin. A quick mockup is available at http://wp.aulinx.de/, more information at Skins Have you tried the current skin btw? Shouldn't be too bad really as it's tableless as well. -- Gabriel Wicke 11:32, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * I use the Google proxy to browse Wikipedia using a WAP phone, which works quite well, though is a bit impractical on pages as large as the village pump. See http://www.google.com/options/wireless.html. This only allows browsing, not editing. Angela. 23:37, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)

 * Angela, Gabriel -- good information and suggestions. From experience in the mobile field, however, I think more than just a new skin is required. With small screens and limited input methods, the use cases tend to change. Browsing becomes painful (slow page loads), targetted search works better. Also, most mobile browsers have a max page size limit that is quite small. I would suggest a minimal search interface and an article display that uses just plain text, and chunks longer articles into (say) 2Kb pages. I've downloaded the SQL dump and I will do a little work on an interface and let you know how I get on. -Ronan

 * Ronan: What kind of mobile phone do you have? I would suggest trying the Opera Browser if it's available for your phone. The Opera Browser can browse ordinary web-pages using a reformatting technology. If you have Opera on you desktop, you can press shift+F11 to see how a web-page looks on a mobile phone. I spend a lot of time surfing the web with my mobile phone. I have to add that I work for Opera Software, but I started working there because I love the browser. -Frode

trining in your company
sir i m third year student of B.Tech (chem. engg.)studing in LIT, Nagpur. i have got 76% in 5th sem & my overall avarage is 70%. i want to do industrial training in your company please give me a chance to get training in your company RAHUL P. GAWANDE rahul_elite2000@yahoo.com

 * Great work Rahul, but we're not a company, so we can't provide "training" exactly, and we all "work" here out of our own free will, and we aren't paid. If you do want to edit and contribute here however, feel free to drop by this page and pick up a user account. Thanks Dysprosia 10:06, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Where Can I Find A Transcript of Klingon from Star Trek?
Hi Trekkies and other folks enjoying Star Trek! I'm looking for a say 1 screen transcript of Klingon. From a series or movie of Star Trek. (A part of one of the books in Klingon seems less nice to me.)

It is for an article I'm editing about a special phenomenon that occurs only rarely in languages. Klingon has been made up using this phenomenon because it makes Klingon sound counterintuitive and weird. (Actually a sentence like "Ba'thar destroyed the ship with a photon torpedo" in Klingon becomes "The ship destroyed Ba'thar with a photon torpedo".)

To make the article (actually Object Verb Subject) more lively and to illustrate why this phenomenon is so rare it would be very nice to translate a fairly large piece of Klingon back to English but keeping the higly unusual word order of Klingon.

Where can I find such a transcript, preferably with extended translation annotations? I'm thinking of having a look at the Star Trek WikiWiki, but I really haven't a clue where to look else for this. BTW (by the way) if someone wants to make such a quasi-translation himself I'd really welcome that as I'm absolutely not familiar in Klingon and I have a hard time writing new text. Editing and copyediting text is much easier for me, so I can help extensively with such a translation.

I think it's nicest to use some Klingon text that people might have seen already on tv or could rent a video of (then the movies would be best). In this way I think it's also appealing for people that are not die-hard Trekkers but interested in language, or are just curious. (And reading Wikipedia for it's entertainment value, like I do .) Paul/laudaka (add me to your Y!M/AIM/etc. list if you like!) | Talk 16:41, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * (This is so sad that I actually know the answer to this) You can get your answer from the Klingon language institute. Their a group based in Minnisota (or somewhere around there), founded by Mark Okrand. Okrand is the guy who was tapped to "invent" klingonese (T'ling Hol) for the Star Trek movies. The URL is www.kli.org. →Raul654 17:58, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)
 * PS: I'm just going to hide my face in shame for a little while.

Minor change flag
Spanish Wikipedia has just modified its "minor change" marker (in Recent Changes and elsewhere) from an uppercase M to a lowercase m. The consensus view is that it's easier on the eyes, less likely to get confused with the "new" marker N, etc. Would English Wikipedia benefit from such a change, or are we too set in our ways? – Hajor 18:16, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * Good idea. --Patrick 22:56, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * Good idea. Elf 23:40, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * Good idea. Andrewa 02:43, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * Dont really care, I've never mixed up the two... How about instead of changing M to m, we change N to ** or something a little more conspicuous? It'd make things look a bit clearer in RC and perhaps inspire some editing? Dysprosia 04:59, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Three in favour and one more general expression of interest in fiddling with the flags. (A more conspicuous option for N – how about N ?) Does anyone with protected page access feel like playing about with MediaWiki:Minoreditletter or MediaWiki:Newpageletter? –Hajor 17:10, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * I'd like to, but since this is a big change, I'd like to get more support for a change before trying something out. (I've got an italicised bold N in mind...) Dysprosia 08:40, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)

How to get the attention of an admin/sysop
Apart from the current confusion over what to call them, there is something I've always wondered about sysops/admins - what if you aren't one, but want to use a facility that only they have access to? What I mean is, is there a page somewhere where I can say "Excuse me, can an admin do X for me please." - and if not, should there be?

I've come up against this twice lately: firstly I spotted a cut & paste move on Miguel Induráin - no big deal, but I understand admins can merge the Page Histories when this happens; and secondly, I spotted a nonsense edit of Talk:Simon_Grabowski in Recent Changes - again, no biggy, and it looks like someone else spotted and deleted it, anyway, but what if they hadn't? Hunting around, I came across the contraversial Deleted test, which would probably have done for the second case, but what to do about the first?

I suggest making a page where reasonably experienced users who aren't admins could post comments, which admins would have on their watchlists and work their way through periodically. Most things could just be done and unlisted, anything non-trivial/contraversial could be sent somewhere else - either way, the admin could put a message on the requesters User_talk: page saying what they did. I hope I'm not opening a can of worms here, but I think this would be rather useful. - IMSoP 20:01, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
 * Just do it on the article's talk page, or ask a sysop on his/her talk page. →Raul654 20:23, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)

 * Well, I thought of both of those possibilities, but the first one assumes a magic ability on the part of admins/sysops to "hear" when they are being "called"; and given that there's no "who's (probably) online" list for this website, the second is rather a gamble, given that there's a whole list of admins, and some of them might be on holiday for 3 weeks for all I know. - IMSoP 20:29, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * If you do it on the article's talk page, put "I need a favor from a sysop" as the summary. If you want to know whose on at any given moment, just check the recent changes. →Raul654 20:31, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)

 * I guess that would work (using the summary line, that is) - as long as a sysop/admin looks at RC at about the right time. I'm not going to go through and compare all the names on RC with all the names in the list of admins just to see who's online though - if their names were formatted differently (a concept I'm used to, as an h2g2 user), I might agree with you about picking someone to ask. I still think it would be more efficient to have a request page, but let's see if anyone else has an opinion. - IMSoP 20:42, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC) [via edit conflict with Anthony's below]]

I'd support a Request for sysop attention page. Would make a good pointer page to all the other ones we have out there, like votes for deletion, redirects for deletion, etc. Anthony DiPierro 20:37, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * I'm not fond of that idea. There's already a *LOT* of pages that have to be maintained around here. The last thing we need is another one. →Raul654 21:58, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)

 * Presumably entries would be short-lived, one edit to add, one edit to remove when handled, doesn't seem so onerous. My guess is it won't get much use, since users that know about sysops will generally know one to ask, but seems worthwhile anyway. Stan 22:11, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * I created Requests for sysop attention, but only as a pointer to the pages that already exist for such requests. Angela. 23:37, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)

 * One very quick note on sending them (or rather, us) here versus a specific page - this is always cluttered, and requires complicated maintenance procedures to try and make it less busy. A specific page could, as Stan says, have a "1 edit to add, 1 edit to remove" policy. But IANAA / IANAS, so for all I know, nobody wants to check such a page. - IMSoP 01:06, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * IANAS either, but I think the page might work. Suck it and see. If sysops find it useful and hang out there, and other bods use it to ask for help regularly, it will work. If not, try something else. Most good ideas don't work, but a few do, and the only way to tell is to try it. Andrewa 08:49, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Another technique- you can usually find a random sysop or three hanging out in the IRC chat (#wikipedia on irc.freenode.net).

My UserAgent Is Being Bounced
fixed, see Village pump/February 2004 archive 2

Wikipedia article titles for specific literary works
--> Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions

Safari Browser not allowed?
fixed --> Village pump/February 2004 archive 2

submitting URL
Dear Sir:

I would like to suggest a website to submit to your denomination directory:

Canadian Evangelical Christian Churches

Website: www.cecconline.com

Email: cecc@rogers.com

Thank you for your consideration.

Yours truly,

Dr. David Lavigne, President

 * Wikipedia is not a directory. Angela. 23:37, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)

Where do I find information on homelessness in Monroe County,NY?
--> Reference desk

New user log
This is more of an announcement than a query, but there's a new page up at New user log. It's a place where new users can introduce themselves. It seems to be in active use now, so if you're interested, check it out periodically. Also, encourage new people to sign in if they haven't yet. Oh, and I would welcome any further ideas on how to welcome and integrate new people. Isomorphic 04:54, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * Excellent! Andrewa 08:38, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Plautus satire
As per the Dispute resolution, I have started Requests for comment/Plautus satire in an (emergency) attempt to gauge community opinion on the problem. Comments there are very much appreciated. →Raul654 05:05, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)
 * This situation is now largely defused (at least for the moment.) Nothing to see here.  Move along.  Isomorphic 08:10, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * If so, delete this thread then... --Menchi 10:22, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
 * Given recent conversation at User talk:Plautus satire, I think comments would still be appreciated on both sides. I wouldn't describe things as fully defused. Jwrosenzweig 23:24, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Table of contents
How do I insert a table of contents similar to that on this page? There are a couple of articles that I am thinking of adding it onto. Arno 06:25, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * See Section. --No-One Jones 06:26, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

stomach banding
--> Reference desk

REDIRECTing to Wikitionary?
--> Talk:Wiktionary

Image Usage
--> Wikipedia talk:Image use policy

Edit wars
--> Wikipedia talk:Edit war

Bathyscaphe Triest
In your report you state that the Bathyscaphe Trieste reached the bottom of Challenger Deep. If this is indeed the case and all that was found where sole,shrimp and carp. Then what where the demensions at the bottom. Was there a shelf of any sort. Where there any tunnels or shafts? Was the entire bottom covered in a silt? Any rocks or other such matter?

I would appreciate if you or a representative would write back to me at b_m_hacking@hotmail.com

 * The article referring to the fish etc is actually Marianas Trench, and the information was provided by user:Timvasquez. Andrewa 22:53, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Poets / songwriters needed!
Calling poets, songwriters or anyone with the ability to rhyme (that counts me out). A small request... I've translated the literal meaning of four lines of a lullaby into English, but would love to have a natural/idiomatic version for the article as well. You can see it, and suggest a loosely translated but nicer version here: Talk:P'ti quinquin. Thanks! fabiform | talk 21:20, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a national encyclopedia
User:Optim introduced a new rule in What Wikipedia is not seeking to protect and emphasise the international spirit of our project. See [[Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not. Optim 02:29, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Uqbar, and accuracy disputes
This may be one of those cases where I have failed ever to observe a mechanism that is well known to other wikipedians, so I am here for advice. Back on 1 Dec 2003 I added an accuracy dispute notice to Uqbar, and spelled out my concerns, as well as what I could ascertain, on its talk page. Knowing that this was an obscure article, and I might not get any responses, I looked at Accuracy dispute, hoping to find advice on how to move this forward. I found nothing relevant in terms of how to proceed. I asked about this on Wikipedia talk:Accuracy dispute: no one responded. I suspect I am overdoing this by bringing this to the Village Pump, but I really don't know where else I should be turning. Can anyone advise? -- Jmabel 00:15, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Changing the case of existing entry names to capitals
Does the spelling of existing topic names can be changed? I.e. the title of the page [TCP] protocol is written in capital letters, but when I wanted to add an entry about the [SOCKS] protocol, there was already a page with only a redirect to [sock].

 * I'm confused. There seems to be nothing at all at SOCKS. Just create your page there. If there were, you could still edit via http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=SOCKS&redirect=none -- Jmabel 01:12, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Graphics-float question
I've moved this comment into the section it was replying to above - IMSoP 01:26, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Problems in editing page sections
I was trying to edit Requests for arbitration, and every time I clicked on the "edit" link, it gave me the wrong section to edit. I had to edit the entire page. RickK 02:06, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
 * This behavior is due to a bug I reported a few weeks ago at . It is caused by sections in the wikitext which have been commented out. None of the developers seems to have addressed it yet. --Nohat 02:12, 2004 Feb 20 (UTC)
 * Silly question, but what if we " " the text inside the comments....would that take away the section problem? I don't know much about these things. Jwrosenzweig 02:18, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

PROPOSAL: Separate Databases/downloadable files
Summary: Proposal to have separate databases for userpages, talkpages and articles. See User:Optim/Userpages. DO NOT REPLY HERE. Failure to do this will result in your comments being moved to User:Optim/Userpages by User:Optim. Optim 03:53, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)


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Russian dressing

Russian dressing is a piquant American salad dressing consisting of mayonnaise, ketchup, and other ingredients.

Russian dressing is similar to Thousand Island. Some manufactured versions omit the mayonnaise and are clear rather than creamy, more like French or Catalina.

History
Russian dressing is mentioned as early as 1900 in U.S. sources. It is also documented in a 1910 catering book as an alternative to vinaigrette for dressing tomatoes or asparagus. A 1913 cookbook has a recipe which is a vinaigrette with paprika and mustard. A mayonnaise-based recipe is documented in 1914. The condiment came to be called "Russian" since the original recipe included caviar, a staple of Russian cuisine.

Local historians claim that the mayonnaise-based version was invented in Nashua, New Hampshire, by James E. Colburn in the 1910s. A 1927 biographical article calls him "the originator and first producer of that delectable condiment known as Russian salad dressing". Colburn had been selling "Colburn's Mayonnaise salad dressing" at his store since at least 1910.

By 1914, Colburn's company was manufacturing it, and distributing it to retailers and hotels. He earned enough from its sale to retire in 1924.

Preparation
Typically piquant, it is today characteristically made of a blend of mayonnaise and ketchup complemented with such additional ingredients as horseradish, pimentos, chives, mustard, and spices.

Uses
Besides being used as a salad dressing, Russian dressing is used as a spread for Reuben sandwiches.

Related sauces
In the United States, Russian dressing has largely been supplanted by Thousand Island dressing, which is sweeter and less spicy than Russian.

Other combinations of mayonnaise and ketchup, but without the spicy ingredients, are known as fry sauce or other names, and typically served with French fries or tostones.

In Australia, sauce made from mayonnaise and ketchup is called Cocktail Sauce and is used to dress prawns/shrimp in the appetiser known as prawn cocktail.

Tartar sauce has the piquant ingredients of Russian dressing, without the ketchup. It is typically served with fried fish.

Marie Rose sauce is similar to Russian dressing, but with different piquant ingredients. It is typically served with seafood.

A variant known as red Russian dressing is very much like Catalina or French dressing.

In Germany, a similar salad dressing is called "American dressing".

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Arden, Barbour County, West Virginia

Arden is a small unincorporated community located along the Tygart Valley River in Barbour County in the north central portion of the U.S. state of West Virginia.

The Arden settlement was built up along a stretch of the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad tracks; a narrow-gauge railroad was first laid through this area in the early 1880s. It had its own post office at one time.

The community is situated between two landmark rock formations: Hell's Gate and Devil's Den.

Notable person

 * Ida Lilliard Reed (1865–1951), noted hymnwriter, lived nearby.

title: Arden, Barbour County, West Virginia


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User talk:Faradn

Welcome
Hello, welcome to Wikipedia.

You might find these links helpful in creating new pages or helping with the above tasks: How to edit a page, How to write a great article, Naming conventions, Manual of Style. You should read our policies at some point too.

If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my talk page. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian!

 * If you made any edits before you got an account, you might be interested in assigning those to your username.

 * You can sign your name using three tildes, like this: . If you use four, you can add a datestamp too.

 * If you ever think a page or image should be deleted, please list it at the votes for deletion page. There is also a votes for undeletion page if you want to retrieve something that you think should not have been deleted.

Again, welcome! - UtherSRG 05:51, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)

re: "Don't use Unicode!"
It's not Unicode, it's HTML entities... they should show up in all browsers, unless I'm mistaken. What's SOP for educating quotes at Wikipedia? Or is SOP that all single and double quotes must remain ugly and stink of unprofessionalism? No offense meant. Also, is there a more convenient forum for discussions of this sort? -- 160.39.193.101 05:35, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Try metawikipedia. Personally, I don't see how uneducated quotes are ugly- it's a matter of taste and convenience. Articles with educated quotes are much harder to edit than those without, and we should leave them that way. If you want to embark on a project to educate Wikipedia's quotes, you'd better first consult with others. --Faradn

I think you were mistaken to change "[0,1)" to "(0,1)" in Cantor's diagonal argument. [0,1), with one square bracket on the left and one round bracket on the right, is a half-open interval; (0,1), with two round brackets, is an open interval. The former makes sense in context; the latter does not. Michael Hardy 02:51, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Sorry! I'm not really a math guru- it just seemed like a typo to me. Thanks for clearing that up. --Faradn 03:14, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Thanks
For the Capitalization :) that I unintentionally lost when reverting. --Humus sapiens 08:14, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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User talk:Radiantmatrix

Welcome
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If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my talk page. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian!

Stonehenge and Druidry
That was a wise call, to restore the link, which is so firmly fixed in the imagination. Keeping the reeader in mind. Wetman 21:49, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (File:ProgrammingWebServicesWithPerl Cover.jpg)
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Talk:Leninism

Confusing initial use of "Bolshevik"
The following sentence in the introduction occurs with any antecedent explanation of the term "Bolshevik": "As the vanguard party, the Bolsheviks viewed history through the theoretical framework of dialectical materialism, which sanctioned political commitment to the successful overthrow of capitalism, and then to instituting socialism; and, as the revolutionary national government, to realize the socio-economic transition by all means." This is a non sequitur since the relationship between Leninism and the Bolsheviks has so far not been established. Jojalozzo (talk) 21:04, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

With, or without? (You have a typo of omission in your first sentence.) Was Kisevalter Nash? (talk) 22:44, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Source
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-- BunnyyHop ( talk ) 22:44, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Origin of the term
@BunnyyHop. - - yes, of course it was Stalin - see Foundations of Leninism. My very best wishes (talk) 04:55, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

 * I agree. It was Stalin who pushed for the use of that term which was then accepted collectively. Vikram Vincent 05:03, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

 * Stalin might've popularized the term, but we can't assert that, or that it was him who created it, out of a lecture, because it would be WP:OR — we always need need to see what WP:REliable sources say. On the article, it's stated the following: «As a political-science term, Lenin's theory of proletarian revolution entered common usage at the fifth congress of the Communist International (1924), when Grigory Zinoviev applied the term Leninism to denote "vanguard-party revolution."»

The source I sent on the edit says there's conflict on the creation of the term — maybe that should be added? -- BunnyyHop ( talk ) 06:35, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I basically agree with VV but I think the term "first coined" would be better replaced by "popularized" or something similar. I agree with BH re Zinoviev seems to be the first person to use the term publicly.  // Timothy :: talk  07:11, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

 * Sources show fifth Congress of communist international as June 17 - July 8, 1924, which is after Stalin's set of lectures in April 26 and 30, May 9, 11, 14, 15 and 18, 1924 per Foundations of Leninism. Vikram Vincent  07:18, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * While others used this term before Stalin, it is solely Stalin who is credited by historians for creating the personality cult of Lenin, which he needed to create his own personality cult (as the only faithful follower of Lenin). He made a famous speech after death of Lenin (using wording borrowed from Orthodox religion like "Zavety"), proposed to build Lenin's Mausoleum (many bolsheviks were shocked by the idea to place atheist Lenin to the mausoleum like a pharaoh), and declared "Marxism-Leninism" the official religion-like teaching. There excellent books about it by Abdurakhman Avtorkhanov, a historian-witness. My very best wishes (talk) 16:52, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

 * , while this is true, the term Marxism-Leninism is different from the term Leninism. -- BunnyyHop ( talk ) 20:06, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Since you apparently know Russian, please check version of this page on ruwiki, i.e. ru:Ленинизм. These subjects are better described there. It directly cites the relevant work by Stalin: Термин «ленинизм» введён в оборот И. В. Сталиным в классическом определении (1926): «Ленинизм есть марксизм эпохи империализма и пролетарской революции». Hence it was Stalin who connected "Marxism" and "Leninism". This is easy to check. "A Dictionary of 20th-Century Communism" by Silvio Pons and Robert Service tells practically the same. My very best wishes (talk) 00:54, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, sure, this «Ленинизм есть марксизм эпохи империализма и пролетарской революции[1][13].» might be the classic definition, but we can't directly cite Stalin nor assert that "Термин «ленинизм» введён в оборот И. В. Сталиным". I only found sources for Stalin's speeches. This reads like an article from someone with some knowledge about Soviet theory of Communism. «Теоретическая основа ленинизма и марксизма — материалистическая диалектика, что означает их тождество по существу», this, for instance, doesn't make any sense.
 * But yes, «Marxism-Leninism» as a term was first institutionalised by J. Stalin.
 * -- BunnyyHop ( talk ) 02:22, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I agree that none of that makes sense. All these "works" by Stalin and other communist leaders are newspeak, nonsense, propaganda. My very best wishes (talk) 02:42, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

So could we write that "The term Leninism appears in literature first in the lectures of Stalin .... though it was accepted by the CPSU in 1922"? Vikram Vincent 03:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
 * If so, we should say it was used (by whom and how?) in 1922. You are very welcome to describe this matter on the page, with proper references. No objections from me whatsoever. My very best wishes (talk) 04:46, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , per . The lectures are only mentioned at Leninism, have you considered adding it to Leninism? As a side note, that book's article is barely past a stub, I'd recommend you to work on it if you have any interest. -- BunnyyHop ( talk ) 06:42, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

 * As pointed out in the revert edit summary "52.. There are several contradictory theories on the origin of the term “Leninism” (see footnote 25). However, regardless of the origin, the Party accepted it as an official doctrinal term in 1922."Ref: https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.14318/hau7.2.021#hau7.2.021_fn52 So citing this and the fact that Stalin's work appears first in chronological order the sentence could be phrased as, "The term Leninism was accepted as a doctrinal phrase by the CPSU in 1922(ref) but appears first in publically available literature through Stalin's lecture series of April-May 1924(ref)." The phrasing can definitely be cleaned up to make it more precise. Vikram Vincent 07:07, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
 * It should be mentioned that Leninism was adopted as a term by the CPSU in 1922, but we can't just insert that about Stalin's lectures without any reliable source, otherwise, it would be WP:OR. For instance - now rereading it, that source states the following: «January 1923, one year prior to Lenin’s death and despite his objections, the term “Leninism” was introduced into public circulation[52]». -- BunnyyHop ( talk ) 12:32, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I dont think quoting publication date comes under OR. It is like quoting the date of an article etc which is common place. I think the part where Lenin objects to the phrase also needs to be accounted for as a matter of historical record. Vikram Vincent 13:12, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, no, it's not OR. OR would be linking it to something else. As MVBW, no objections from me whatsoever. -- BunnyyHop ( talk ) 15:18, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

 * Comment, I made some changes to your addition, but (per summary) overall I think it was an improvement. No objection to rv, ce, depending your thoughts.
 * I think the rest of the lead needs work; it wanders and needs focus. Roughly speaking I think after the first paragraph defining where it comes from, there should be a concise defintion highlighting the key elements of Leninism and how it modifies Marxism when used in the hypenated form. This could be follow with a summary of the other key elements from the article body.
 * Working on a good lead will provide a semi-blueprint for article bo follow; the article body would benefit from tightening along the lines of the SUMMARY style, with non-essential details moved into their respective article.
 * I think if the above is worked on, the article would be a tighter, cleaner, easier to read and understand article. Once its stable it can go to GOCE for polishing and the to a GA review.  // Timothy :: talk  14:57, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , due to typo in the above ping.  // Timothy :: talk
 * Thanks . I was going to start a new section to discuss the elements of the lead. Vikram Vincent 15:26, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , I replaced the phrase that stated Stalin introduced it into public speech because the journal source states the term entered in «public circulation» on January 1923, while Stalin's speech was delivered in March 1924. Cheers! -- BunnyyHop ( talk ) 22:19, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

 * ok. The conflict arises because around the time Lenin became ill and even before, Stalin was "the Party" and had already been making decisions for a while. Lenin tells Trotsky to oppose the concentration of powers with the Secy but Trotsky ignores it and eventually falls prey. We could use a source showing Stalin as the power centre and thus lead to a claim that it was Stalin who pushed for the usage of Leninism as part of the power concentration process. However, this is a longer piece not fit for the lead but maybe the History section. Vikram Vincent 04:32, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

 * I feel that instead of reverting the whole sentence, just the correction could have been made as this would have contributed to incremental development of the idea. Vikram Vincent 04:42, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

 * Yes! If there's any connection between those two, scholars might've already published about it. I didn't revert everything, I corrected the sentence changing "The term Leninism was accepted as part of CPSU vocabulary and doctrine around 1922, despite objections from Lenin. The term entered the public vocabulary after Stalin's AprilMay 1924 lecture series delivered at the Sverdlov University." to "The term Leninism was accepted as part of CPSU's vocabulary and doctrine around 1922, and in January 1923, despite objections from Lenin, it entered the public vocabulary." -- BunnyyHop  ( talk ) 04:47, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

 * Ah! Cool.. Missed that Vikram Vincent 04:52, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

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Trader Joe's

Trader Joe's is an American chain of grocery stores headquartered in Monrovia, California. The chain has 571 stores across the United States.

The first Trader Joe's store was opened in 1967 by founder Joe Coulombe in Pasadena, California. The chain was sold to Aldi founder Theo Albrecht in 1979, who owned it until his death in 2010, when ownership passed to his heirs. The company has offices in Monrovia, California, and Boston, Massachusetts.

History

Trader Joe's is named after its founder, Joe Coulombe. The company began in 1958 as a Greater Los Angeles area chain known as Pronto Market convenience stores. Coulombe felt the original Pronto Markets were too similar to 7-Eleven, which he described as the "800-pound gorilla of convenience stores", and was concerned that the competition would be too heavy.

Coulombe developed the idea of the Trader Joe's South Seas motif while on vacation in the Caribbean. The Tiki culture craze was still widespread in the United States in the 1960s, so in a direct nod to the fad, the Trader Joe's name itself was a spoof on Trader Vic's, the famous tiki-themed restaurant that had opened its first southern California location in the Beverly Hilton in 1955. Eating at Trader Vic's in Beverly Hills was notoriously expensive, but the Trader Joe's in Pasadena provided an irreverent and less expensive offering of food and drink. Coulombe noted two trends in the US that informed the merchandising of his new store concept: one, the number of college-educated people was rising steadily, due in part to the G.I. Bill, and two, with new jumbo jets due to premiere in 1970, international travel would be accelerating as well. A better educated, more well-traveled public were acquiring tastes they had trouble satisfying in American supermarkets at the time.

The first store branded as "Trader Joe's" opened in 1967 in Pasadena, California; it remains in operation. In their first few decades, some of the stores offered fresh meats provided by butchers who leased space in the stores, along with sandwiches and freshly cut cheese, all in-store.

In 1979, owner and CEO of Aldi Nord Theo Albrecht bought the company as a personal investment for his family. Coulombe was succeeded as CEO by John V. Shields in 1987. Under his leadership, the company expanded into Arizona in 1993 and into the Pacific Northwest two years later. In 1996, the company opened its first stores on the East Coast in Brookline and Cambridge, both outside Boston. In 2001, Shields retired and Dan Bane succeeded him as CEO.

Since its inception, Trader Joe's has continued to expand across the United States. In 2004, BusinessWeek reported that Trader Joe's quintupled its number of stores between 1990 and 2001 and increased its profits tenfold. In February 2008, BusinessWeek reported that the company had the highest sales per square foot of any grocer in the United States. Two-and-a-half years later and in 2016, Fortune magazine estimated sales to be $1,750 in merchandise per square foot, more than double the sales generated by Whole Foods.

Joe Coulombe, the namesake of the brand, died in 2020. Dan Bane retired as the CEO in July 2023 and was succeeded by Bryan Palbaum, previously the company's COO and president. At the same time, the company named Jon Basalone as vice-CEO and president, taking over Palbaum in the latter role.

Locations
, Trader Joe's had 564 stores across 42 states in the United States with stores being added regularly. Most locations averaged between 10,000 and 15000 sqft. California has the largest number of stores with 193 open in the state. The chain's busiest location is its 72nd & Broadway store on the Upper West Side of Manhattan. The smallest Trader Joe's location is in the Back Bay neighborhood of Boston, Massachusetts on Boylston St.

Each location is designed to represent its respective area, with staff members creating murals along store walls to represent the surrounding neighborhood. Some store locations have their own "find the mascot", and children can obtain a unique collectible prize when they tell a staff member where it is "hiding", and choose a new hiding location.

Economic exclusivity and gentrification
Despite being known as a "neighborhood store" with affordable options, Trader Joe's locations are mostly in well-off neighborhoods. In 2022, the typical Trader Joe's customer was a married person living in an urban area, between 25 and 44 years old, earning at least $80,000. When deciding where to open locations, the chain typically looks for areas where the median household income is over $100,000.

Conversely, Trader Joe's has also faced opposition for contributing to gentrification. Between 1997 and 2014, Zillow found that homes grow more rapidly in value if they are closer to a Trader Joe's or Whole Foods, with such homes consistently being worth more than the mean U.S. home. In 2014, Trader Joe's agreed to halt plans to open a store in a historically black neighborhood in Portland, Oregon, following protests led by the Portland African American Leadership Forum. The organization objected to the $2.4 million subsidy offered by the city to Trader Joe's and emphasized that they were not against Trader Joe's but instead were pushing back against the city's history of displacing African Americans. In 2015, along with a proposal to build new affordable housing, the city announced that a different store, Natural Grocers, would be built on the vacant lot.

Private label
Trader Joe's sells many items under its own private labels, at a significant discount to name-brand equivalents, and requires its name-brand suppliers not to publicize this business relationship. By selling almost all of its products under its own labels, Trader Joe's "skips the middle man" and buys directly from both local and international vendors. The company has been criticized for allegedly copying products from vendors after soliciting partnerships and requesting sample products for their private labels.

While a typical grocery store may carry 50,000 items, Trader Joe's stocks about 4,000 items, 80% of which bear one of its brand names. Products include gourmet foods, organic foods, vegan and vegetarian foods, frozen foods, imported foods, domestic and imported wine and beer (where local law permits).

In 1977, the company began introducing international-sounding variants of its brand for some of its private label ethnic food items, such as "Trader José", "Trader Joe San", and "Trader Giotto" for Mexican, Japanese, and Italian products respectively. The company also referenced other cultures with branding like "Trader Ming's", "Arabian Joe's", and "Pilgrim Joe" for Chinese, Middle Eastern, and Thanksgiving-themed American products. In July 2020, during the George Floyd protests, an online petition signed by 5,300 people asked the company to rename these products, criticized their labeling as "racist" and accusing the company of promoting "a narrative of exoticism that perpetuates harmful stereotypes".

The company reacted by stating that it was already in the process of reverting a number of international foods to Trader Joe's branding and that this decision had already been made several years earlier. Trader Joe's later clarified that some branding referenced in the petition will remain, stating, "We disagree that any of these labels are racist. We do not make decisions based on petitions." The petition itself has been criticized on social media for promoting cancel culture and for "wasting time on a trivial issue".

Aldi Nord uses the brand as one of the company's private labels in its stores in Europe, predominately for snack foods.

Product availability and discontinued products
Trader Joe's discontinues individual products more often than larger grocery chains. A product may be discontinued because of a variety of reasons: it may be a seasonal product; the cost of producing the item may have increased, thereby also increasing its cost; or the item was not selling strongly enough. New items are introduced every week, so Trader Joe's may remove current items to make room for new products on its shelves. In recent years, loyal Trader Joes's customers have gained a new obsession with the holiday products. Stores have a hard time keeping their shelves with the holiday products full during these seasons. Stores often have a "new items" case with 10 to 15 products (that can also be found in the rest of the store), indicating an intentional high turnover of products.

Product selection and prices may also differ from state to state. For freshly-prepared items (e.g., deli, bakery, dairy and juice), Trader Joe's tries to source products as close to the stores as possible, which may result in variations with recipes and prices. State laws, taxes, deposit requirements, and distribution costs can also influence how products are priced in each location.

In February 2008, Trader Joe's announced that it would phase out single-ingredient products from China by April 2008, because of unspecified customer concerns.

Other product notes
In February 2016, because of customer feedback, Trader Joe's announced their goal "to have all the eggs [they] sell in western states (California, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico and Colorado) come from cage-free suppliers by 2020 and all the eggs [they] sell nationally to come from cage-free suppliers by 2025".

Trader Joe's is the exclusive retailer of Charles Shaw wine, popularly known as "Two Buck Chuck" because of its original $1.99 price tag in California (local prices vary). Of the wine selection at Trader Joe's, Coulombe has said, "We built Trader Joe's on wine first, then food. I tasted 100,000 wines, and most weren't wonderful. They were submitted to us by desperate vintners". Upon the death of Fred Franzia of the Charles Shaw label in September 2022, The New York Times reported Trader Joe's had sold over one billion bottles. The company leaves names of wineries off the labels on purpose, although many are from Bronco Wine, the company behind Charles Shaw.

The company produces a list of its most popular items each year. The fourteenth year of the survey, results for which were reported in January 2023, showed Chili & Lime Flavored Rolled Tortilla Chips as the top overall product and the favorite snack; the Sparkling Honeycrisp Apple Juice as the favorite beverage; Trader Joe's Cheddar Cheese with Caramelized Onions as the favorite cheese; Trader Joe's Butter Chicken as the favorite entrée; seasonal candles as the favorite household item; bananas as the favorite produce item; Hold the Cone! Mini Ice Cream Cones as the favorite dessert; and the Cashew & Basil Pesto as the favorite vegan/vegetarian item. Some winners from years past were retired and put into the firm's Product Hall of Fame.

Sustainability
Trader Joe's states that "a continuing focus of [their] sustainability initiatives is maintaining product integrity and preventing food waste".

The retailer has been characterized as "notoriously secretive" and it has also been criticized for a lack of transparency by management about the sources of products such as organic milk. Trader Joe's scores the lowest on Green America's chocolate scorecard, as the retailer shares very little about addressing child labor or deforestation caused by the chocolate it sells.

In 2016, Trader Joe's agreed to a settlement with the Environmental Protection Agency and Department of Justice, due to allegations the company had violated the Clean Air Act by emitting high global warming potential (GWP) and ozone-depleting refrigerants. The company was tasked with reducing its emissions and creating a process to track and repair refrigerants, and was required to use refrigerants with an ultra-low GWP in 15 stores. Since then, the company has not shared its progress to reduce leak rates or publicly report its climate emissions.

Improving packaging
Trader Joe's has been taking steps to make its products more environmentally friendly. In 2019, Greenpeace delivered a petition of 100,000 signatures for Trader Joe's to phase out single-use plastics. In response to customer pressure, Trader Joe's committed to stop offering single-use carryout bags nationwide, replace its produce bags with biodegradable and compostable options, replace styrofoam trays, and sell more loose, unwrapped produce.

In 2021, as part of an ongoing effort to improve packaging, Trader Joe's stated that it had improved over 200 products by eliminating excess components, and increasing the amount of recycled and sustainably sourced materials. The company also removed over 4 million pounds of plastic packaging from their products in 2021. Examples of improvements include removing plastic mesh packaging from produce, converting plastic clamshells for produce to sealed fiber trays, and increasing the number of frozen entrees in a plastic tray with a compostable option.

Phasing out unsustainable foods
Between 2012 and 2013, Trader Joe's moved from 15th on Greenpeace's CATO (Carting Away the Oceans) scale to third by removing six unsustainable species of fish from its shelves and getting involved in efforts to protect the Bering Sea Canyons.

Eliminating food waste
Trader Joe's said that in 2021, approximately 99.5% of all products were sold in stores, donated to food recovery partners, or composted. Through its "Neighborhood Shares Program", Trader Joe's donates 100% of the unsold products to local food recovery organizations. In 2021, this amounted to more than $349 million worth of products to nonprofit partners, and nearly 63 million meals served to local communities.

Ratings
In May 2009, Consumer Reports ranked Trader Joe's the second-best supermarket chain in the United States (after Wegmans). In June 2009, MSN Money released its annual Customer Service Hall of Fame survey results, in which Trader Joe's ranked second in customer service. From 2008 to 2010, Ethisphere magazine listed Trader Joe's among its most ethical companies in the United States, but it did not make the list in 2011. In 2014, Consumer Reports again ranked Trader Joe's a top-scoring supermarket chain. The company ranked number 23 among the 2019 Glassdoor best places to work in the US, and number 14 in 2020.

Labor

In September 2013, in response to the implementation of the Affordable Care Act (ACA), Trader Joe's stated that it would require part-time employees to work an average of 30 hours per week in order to qualify for medical insurance (with free coverage for basic dental and vision care still being available for all crew members who work an average of 15 hours or more per week). Part-time employees who were not qualifying for medical insurance would now be eligible for plans which were available under the ACA (but they would only be made available to those employees whose employers do not offer them an insurance plan). Those employees who were working full-time were unaffected. Maeg Yosef, a union organizer who has worked for 18 years at the Hadley, Massachusetts store, said the company cut contributions to employee retirement plans – from the equivalent of 15% of an employee's annual pay down to nothing – since she started there. Workers at the Trader Joe's grocery store in Hadley announced in an open letter dated May 14, 2022, to the company's CEO their intent to push for unionization citing stagnated wages and a desire for better pay, benefits and workplace conditions.

Trader Joe's has been accused of union busting in numerous cases. The first Trader Joe's store to be unionized was in Hadley, Massachusetts in 2022 National Labor Relations Board.

On April 20, 2023, crew members at the Trader Joe's location in the Rockridge neighborhood of Oakland, California, voted 73–53 to unionize.

In 2024, Trader Joe's joined SpaceX in a lawsuit to have the National Labor Relations Board, which enforces U.S. labor law in relation to collective bargaining and unfair labor practices, deemed unconstitutional.

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