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Talk:List of universities and colleges in South Korea

There's more where these came from
I trust and hope there are no objections to the universities --> colleges and universities rename. There were a couple of colleges on the list before, and it seemed more sensible to keep a single list rather than having a separate list of colleges (although the college/university distinction is more important in SK than in, for example, the US). Anyway, although I've added a few, there are more that could be listed. The current list is drawn from the list I compiled for the Open Directory Project, and therefore only includes those institutions that have recently had English-language websites, in addition to those that were already on the list. I would venture that the list could be doubled in length (at least). -- Visviva 04:38, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Accuracy and Completeness
1. I wonder if University of King Kamata Omaga is real. I have tried searching on the internet, and only get its name in lists. That seems suspiciously like web-spread. In addition, I couldn't find any reference to a King Kamata Omaga (and the name does not sound Korean to me). 2. As of 2005, there were 385 universities in Korea, according to http://kin.naver.com/qna/detail.nhn?d1id=11&dirId=110812&docId=55232206&qb=S29yZWEgdW5pdmVyc2l0aWVzIHJlc3RydWN0dXJpbmcgYXByaWwgMjg=&enc=utf8&section=kin&rank=1&search_sort=0&spq=0&pid=R0ocYwpySowssbfkRAlssssssth-281451&sid=U0oHiwpyVmQAADF3idE. 211.225.33.104 (talk) 03:56, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

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Factual accuracy
The list contains several, possibly many, universities in every part of the world but South Korea; e.g. Ghent University, George Mason University and University of Utah. A vandal may have been at work. Narky Blert (talk) 14:51, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * University of Utah does actually have a campus in Incheon, so it is technically not false. I am in process in fixing the Ghent University and George Mason University info as well TXephy (talk) 14:32, 25 November 2019 (UTC)


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Talk:Okehampton

Untitled
Since when has Okehampton camp been in the hands of the Marines? I've never heard it referred to as a Marines facility. What's the authority for this assertion? It may be right but it doesn't jibe with my local knowledge. seglea 17:58, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * I've just checked. The camp is managed by the Army Training Estate, and though it may be used by the RM, there's no evidence that it is a Marines facility particularly.  I have reverted the edit by an anonymous user that declared it to be so.  seglea 18:04, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Bypass
In 1988 or 1989 the bypass was the first to be built on National Park land. Perhaps this needs a mention. Totnesmartin 21:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Consistent edits focusing on the wrong things
The article is a bit too focused on history for its size (a picture of the Courtenay family arms certainly isn't relevant) so I've removed the image and reduced the size. All the history is very good but very specific - we need more about the industrial age.

Sports section keeps including the names of the manager & where the club trains - this doesn't need to be here at all.

Esotera (talk) 11:05, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

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Whiteleaf Cross

Whiteleaf Cross is a cross-shaped chalk hill carving, with a triangular base, on Whiteleaf Hill in Whiteleaf near Princes Risborough in Buckinghamshire.

It sits above the road to the east of the hamlet, whose name is first found in the form White Cliff in the eighteenth century, referring to the white chalk cliff. The cliff is probably a natural formation, older than the cross.

The date and origin of the cross are unknown. It was mentioned as an antiquity by Francis Wise in 1742, but no earlier reference has been found. The cross is not mentioned in any description of the area before 1700.

The Act for enclosing the common lands in the Parish, completed on 23 September 1839, specifically required that: in order to preserve within the parish of Monks Risborough the ancient memorial or landmark there called White Cliffe Cross and the Commissioners were to allot to the Lord of the Manor the cross itself and so much of the land immediately surrounding it as shall in the judgment of the Commissioners be necessary and sufficient for rendering the same conspicuous and that it should not be planted or enclosed and should for ever thereafter remain open. The Lord of the Manor was to be responsible to renew and repair it. In the event the Commissioners allotted 7 acre of land for this purpose.

Various books published in and since the 18th century have speculated on the origin of the cross, but without any supporting evidence. Theories included a Saxon celebration of a victory over the Danes, a phallic symbol later Christianised, a direction sign for a (non-existent) medieval monastery, soldiers in the Civil War amusing themselves when they had nothing better to do, and a seventeenth-century alternative to a village cross.

It was depicted in paintings by Paul Nash. One, from 1922, is in the collection of the British Council, another, from 1931, is in the Whitworth Art Gallery in Manchester.

In addition to the cross, there is a neolithic barrow on Whiteleaf Hill, which is near the top of the cross but very unlikely to have any connection with it.

The cross is protected by the county as part of the 11-hectare (27 acre) Whiteleaf Hill Nature Reserve.

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Talk:March First Movement

Section
Added a section on the shift towards the Japanse 'cultural policy', which is seen as a result of the March 1st Movement. This is strongly argued in some of the material on this subject. Ian, 15 December 2004 10:05pm EST
 * References? Atkinson 16:25, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Merger
March 1st Movement is older and has more history so March first movement, if it has anything new to add, should merge into it. I guess we could blame the editor that started the newer page for not doing a (thorough) search, or the editor who started the older page for not adding enough redirects -- but I prefer to blame wikipedia's not-very-good search algorithms. Ewlyahoocom 08:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

is there a wikipedia style policy or guideline for whether it should be "first" or "1st"? other reference works seem to use "first"; google shows roughly equal prevalence. Appleby 17:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Agree (Wikimachine 04:52, 1 July 2006 (UTC))

Korean nationalism versus Korean independence movement
I believe Koreans displayed nationalism prior to 1919. That was the first independence movement. Nationalism were getting people killed by the Japanese, like Empress Min in 1895.

You're right. (Wikimachine 14:36, 11 August 2006 (UTC))

Quick question
How can Woodrow address the Paris Peace Conference in 1918 if it didn't start till 1919? Wilson adressed U.S. Congress when he enumerated his 14 points.

Independence Movement(신생독립) or Liberation Movement(광복-독립회복)?
Korea had been an independent nation(독립국) before temporary and forceful occupation by Japan. Thus, all the movement were to regain the independency(독립회복, e.g. France from Nazi Occupation), not to newly declare independece(신생독립 e.g. United States from England). Independence movement(독립운동) may give a wrong impression that Korea had been originally a part of Japan, but newly gained independence status from Japan later on. Obviously that is not true. Liberation movement(광복운동) is more proper. The same mistake happens in the name of Independence Hall(신생독립기념관?). Liberation Hall(독립회복기념관!) might be more safer and thus proper. by scarssiel@gmail.com

 * Korea was not recognized as an independent nation after 1910 by the majority of nations. Unlike Nazi Germany’s military occupation of northern France during wartime conditions, after 1910, Japan established what was perceived at the time as a permanent civil administration in Korea and regarded Korea as an integral part of the Japanese Empire. The goal of the Korean “liberation” movement was to regain the “independence” of Korea, and therefore the use of the word “Independence Movement” is correct. Further, the word “liberation” has POV connotations that “independence” does not. Also, we speak of such movements today as the “Tibetan independence movement”, rather than the “Tibetan liberation movement” as a matter of common usage, and to minimize propagandistic and POV impact. Regardless of how illegal or horrible we may personally consider the Japanese occupation of Korea, it is important for Wikipedia to maintain a strictly neutral stance in article wording. --MChew 05:10, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Korea was not recognized as an independent nation after 1910 by the majority of nations. => Yes, Korea had been cleary recognized as an independent nation BEFORE 1910 by the majority of nations. Unlike Nazi Germany’s military occupation of northern France during wartime conditions, => No, it's exactly the same one. Japanese occupation of Korea was MILITARY one. after 1910, Japan established what was perceived at the time as a permanent civil administration in Korea => perceived BY WHOM? Japan established what was perceived by Japan at the time ...? and regarded Korea as an integral part of the Japanese Empire. => Again, only Japan regarded so. Yes, it might have been Japan's freedom to do so. Further, the word “liberation” has POV connotations that “independence” does not. => I don't agree. Who else say so? Regardless of how illegal or horrible we may personally consider the Japanese occupation of Korea, => who are we? Are you admiting that it was illegal and horrible? it is important for Wikipedia to maintain a strictly neutral stance in article wording. => Yes, that's why I suggest "liberation movement" instead of "independence movement". by scarssiel@gmail.com

 * I repeat, Korea was NOT independent AFTER 1910, and the Japanese annexation of Korea was recognized by almost all western nations. The governments of Great Britain, France, Germany, etc did not regard Korea after 1910 as "territory temporarily under illegal Japanese military occupation", but as much a part of Japan as Hokkaido or Kyushu. Even as early as 1907, after the Eulsa Treaty, western nations refused to even allow Korean representatives to address the Hague Conference (Hague Secret Emissary Affair), as Korea was no longer recognized as an independent country. The goal of the Korean nationalist movement was therefore to RESTORE Korean independence.--MChew 16:13, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Manse
Given that 'manse' is an English word, it would be helpful to explain what it means here. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 19:39, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Manse is Korean for 'hooray'. It's a cheer. CsikosLo (talk) 14:34, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Sentence partly copied
I have copied these sentences: "Approximately 2,000,000 Koreans had participated in the more than 1,500 demonstrations. Several thousand were massacred by the Japanese police force and army."

"However, as manifested at the Paris Peace Conference of 1919, Wilson was not interested in challenging global power relations. Since Japan was one of the victors and Korea was its colony, a discussion of the status of Korea was not undertaken. ("Hart-Landsberg, Martin 1998 P. 30")" into the new article I have written First Korean Congress. MSacerdoti (talk) 08:41, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Needs cleanup
I'm working gradually on cleaning this article and Korea under Japanese rule up. Both have issues with poor prose and sourcing. Please help if you can; the primary goal is to source everything. toobigtokale (talk) 00:11, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

 * Ah man this article really is so bad compared to the magnitude of its importance... I may just scrap almost everything and rewrite it from scratch. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 18:27, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Done, rewrote, although it's still far from being a solid article... 104.232.119.107 (talk) 06:00, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

TODO
I may step away from working on this article for a while, but there's a few things that currently deserve more nuance in the article:

 * The extent of the impact of the protest on international movements is unclear; see
 * Missing more direct info on Japanese statistics and reports. Fortunately the database statistics I think are largely based on these stats? Still, could use more direct evidence of what the stats and reports say.
 * Could use a table from the database's data showing the progression of protests over time
 * Need to establish adequate rough ending date for the protests

104.232.119.107 (talk) 21:53, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

 * Ok nvm lol, finished 3 and 4 104.232.119.107 (talk) 07:34, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 11:06, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

March 1st Movement → March First Movement – This spelling appears to be the WP:COMMONNAME, per this ngram. Matches what I'm seeing in Google Search results too, although google search has its own reliability issues for determining common name. If this move passes, I can handle renaming all mentions within this article. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 00:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

 * Support Change per WP:COMMONNAME. 'March 1st' feels a little weird of a title as well. I think it was named like that because the native name for the movement is 'Samil Undong' (lit. 'three-one movement') or '3.1 Undong'. - 00101984hjw (talk) 04:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

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Korean People's Revolutionary Army
Is the Korean People's Revolutionary Army a real unit, and what battles did they participate in? Or is it false and just propaganda or another name for the 6th Division, aka "Kim Il-Sung's Division"? Koreanidentity10000 (talk) 17:52, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * There is evidence that Kim Il Sung carried out guerrilla warfare before retreating into the USSR.--Jack Upland (talk) 02:24, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * But is it called Korean People's Revolutionary Army or the 6th Division, aka "Kim Il-Sung's Division"? Koreanidentity10000 (talk) 21:45, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

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Globalfirepower as a source
Is there really an acceptable reason to use globalfirepower as a source? Their rankings are terrible,it would be better not using it at all. For example in the "Navy Fleet Strengths (2021)", North Korea is 3° (with almost no navy), USA 4° or Bolivia is 18° between France and Japan... A country which doesn't even have an access to the sea!

Basically i'm proposing to delete "The South Korean military is ranked as the 6th most powerful military force on the planet as of 2020" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobbobybobar (talk • contribs) 01:51, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I agree. It’s not a credible source to use in my view. TheArmchairSoldier (talk) 12:01, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Democratic Party (South Korea, 2000)

MDP in Korean
What is MDP in Korean? I think it should be mentioned in the article.--Sir Edgar 06:42, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * New Millennium Democratic Party(새천년민주당, Sae-cheon-nyeon Min-ju-dang), since 2000. Peterhansen2032 08:15, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Restoring its name
Does anyone who can change the title of this article? I've just heard that this party decided to change its name to 'Democratic Party (South Korea)'(민주당, 2005), with restoring their official logos and more. (although still frustrating the current status of Korean politics, personally. how ridiculous is it!!!) Peterhansen2032 06:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

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Intro
The intro is too long. We need to choose the most important basic facts for the intro, and then put everything else in the main text of the article. And we need to cite sources. Heroeswithmetaphors (talk) 04:02, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Removed this statement from the intro: ''According to the city's page, the mayor Jeong Jong Dueg says it is the goal of Mokpo to be home to arts of Yellow sea in brilliantly developing Northeast Asia. '' I couldn't figure out its true meaning, and couldn't access the website to which it refers. Is it talking about "artists in the Yellow sea?" Not sure. Perhaps someone with access or knowledge could revise and replace. Jeffmsmith70 (talk) 04:23, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Content
This really needs an English speaker to word it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.0.106.130 (talk) 04:31, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

 * I've been working on editing it. Right now it sounds suspiciously like the Mokpo Chamber of Commerce put this together. Nothing wrong with that but it doesn't read fluent.

Straitgate (talk) 02:55, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Open Port
I copyedited this section as best I could, making sensible guesses as to the writer's intention in order to clear up the language. If I have skewed the intended meaning or obscured an important fact, I invite others to correct and add back. Jeffmsmith70 (talk) 05:29, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Under Japanese rule
Eliminated second paragraph because it was impossible to copyedit; I could not discern meaning. Text was: ''For business activities, transportation enhanced stimuli for many people to congregate while many people gathered for work. The aims were headed to build temporary housing places near Japanese residents. According to the local records, smaller mud huts were along the narrow street where the commander barely allowed to live in. Series of facilities were built including Mokpo theater of which possession was from Korean peninsula. There were only 3 theaters in possession of Korean, including Seoul's Danseongsa, Gwangju Theater in current Gwangju metropolitan city. '' Jeffmsmith70 (talk) 04:06, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

After independence
I eliminated this paragraph; I could not discern its meaning either: ''After 1990, Mokpo's new port (called newly built outdoor harbor) was officially working for accommodating exports, mainly KIA motors, while Daebul and Samho industrial complexes gained factories in fields. At first pace, South Jeolla province was confronted for deep concerns over investment owing to lacking transportation and accommodation. In 2007, South Korean ministry of Industry and Resources designated the area for renovation cluster with that of Masan in Gyeongsangnam-do. The chief reasons were because China's huge growth became momentum for the city as connecting destination for local companies for southerneast Asian nations.'' Jeffmsmith70 (talk) 04:53, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Deleted paragraphs/sentences
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Standardization of high school
Tagged this. I suggest that this section be removed, unless there is someone who can greatly clarify the issues. Right now I'm not exactly sure what those issues even are, or were.Jeffmsmith70 (talk) 19:05, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

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Untitled
Maybe we should update the spelling? Kokiri 18:02, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Something should be added about K-Pop Zephyrprince 01:09, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

 * This article is about music predating the separation of North and South, i.e. traditional music. K-Pop belongs in Music of South Korea. Ktaec (talk) 18:09, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Translation
Currently on the process of translation by complimenting resources and historical records. --Mar del Este (talk) 15:49, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

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Contemporary music
Section belongs in Music of South Korea.

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the traditional music of korea is generous in the use of bright rythms and melody it gives more energy and capricuis contrast to the nations collection of classical music works the folk music represent the saul and sound of the traditional korean villages with a wide ranging array of music forms 112.201.184.50 (talk) 13:58, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Traditional music of Korea (with lowercase m) (non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs (talk) 20:47, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Music of Korea → Traditional Music of Korea – Current title is ambiguous and potentially confusing. This article is exclusively about music that is categorized as "traditional" today which predates the separation of North and South. Other pages that follow along the lines of "Music of ..." have probably not had a division in recent history and so it makes sense for the music of those countries to have one cohesive article. As can be seen in the talk page and edit history, there has been confusion and additions of contemporary South Korean music, which does not belong in this article. Meanwhile the page is somewhat difficult to find for someone who is looking for information about Korean traditional music and I think it is necessary to have a separate page about that specific subject. Following the pattern of having a "Music of ..." as well as "... Traditional Music" article would be redundant in this case, simply adding "traditional" to the title would solve those issues. Ktaec (talk) 18:48, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. This is an unusual case, but since we have Music of North Korea and Music of South Korea, not to mention K-pop, in addition to this article, and since this article is not a comprehensive or broad-concept article, with no obvious WP:primary topic (see |Music_of_North_Korea|Music_of_South_Korea pageviews), it's probably best to have Music of Korea as a dab page, although a lot of incoming wikilinks will need to be retargeted. Station1 (talk) 18:35, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Support but with Traditional music of Korea (note capitalization). Mostly per Station1's rationale that the current title should be a DAB. Walt Yoder (talk) 21:24, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I didn't notice the capital M in the proposal. Agree that "music" should be lower case. Station1 (talk) 00:47, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Naju

Raju?
I was conversing with a friend and was talking about Jeolla's history as a shortened name, and I pondered why it was Jeonna due to Naju's name changing from Raju. The friend (who is from South Korea) insisted that its name was never Raju. I thought it fell under the initial rule, but upon reading it up I don't see this ever occuring with 'a' as a vowel--it's almost an exclusively /j/ thing--nor does the name seem to be Sino-Korean. The name was added in this edit in 2005, but do North Koreans really call it Raju? It's not mentioned on the Korean wikipedia article for Naju either. If they do, is this actually due to the initial rule or is it merely a coincidental difference in pronunciation? - MK (t/c) 07:52, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

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Talk:Nam Sung-yong

Japanese Name
The Japanese name part looks wrong to me. The katakana seems to be a Japanese transliteration of the native Korean pronunciation of his name, something like Namu Sun-yon, but the text implies it should be the Japanese name he was made to use, which was just the Japanese pronunciation of the same characters, Shoryu Nan. These katakana should probably be deleted, or possibly replaced with the katakana for Shoryu Nan (sorry, I don't know katakana well). Also, in the info box his name is 난승룡, with corresponding transliterations, but this doesn't match his name as given in the page title. Anybody know why that is? --Reuben 06:38, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Textbook Source
I added a textbook to this article because it references Nam Sung-Yong and that he worked with Sohn Kee-Chung after taking bronze in the 1936 Olympic Games.

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Talk:Namhae Expressway

Untitled
From VfD:

It's a highway. That's it. Delete. Kevin Rector 20:09, Jul 14, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, there are lots of highways with articles. Gentgeen 03:54, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, agree. newkai 13:11, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand. Very substub article, but it seems like a notable subject for one.  I may try tackling this. - Lucky 6.9 01:38, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Freeways are well-established on Wikipedia, see List of Interstates for a whole pile of them. -- Cyrius|✎ 01:04, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Is it sister highway of I-10? because i think two expressways r similar.-ITartle (talk) 23:11, 14 August 2010 (UTC) end moved discussion

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Talk:North Hamgyong Province

Name of Page
Shouldn't this page be named Hamgyŏngpukto in the same way we name the South Korean province 전라남도 --> Jeollanam-do instead of South Jeolla Provice? I would change it myself but I was looking for any reason that i shouldn't.Waygugin (talk) 01:42, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

better format
I think we need a better format to navigate which region we are trying to find, similar to the table that is in the Subdivisions of the Gambia article where they paired each subdivision with imsages and brief info about each of the districts.THe imsages that are in each of the articles about countries and cities would be useful collectively. Or numbered image like how it is used in article South Gyeongsang Province. Or like the article Ryanggang Province. Waltzingmogumogupeach (talk) 22:21, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:North Hwanghae Province

Joined
It lists a city and two counties joining N Hwanghae. From where? The South Hwanghae? --Menchi 07:37, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Supposedly from Kaesong, but THIS MAP shows otherwise, dated in 2006. Rarelibra 21:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

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Jon Lovitz

Jonathan Michael Lovitz (born July 21, 1957) is an American actor and comedian. He is best known for his tenure as a cast member on the NBC sketch comedy series Saturday Night Live from 1985 to 1990 for which he was nominated for two Primetime Emmy Awards.

Outside of SNL, he starred as Jay Sherman in The Critic (1994–1995), has played various roles on The Simpsons (1991–), and has acted in numerous television shows such as Seinfeld, Friends, and NewsRadio. From 2012 to 2015 he starred in the sitcom Mr. Box Office.

He played a baseball scout in the film A League of Their Own (1992) and acted in other films such as Three Amigos (1986), Big (1988), Happiness (1998), Small Time Crooks (2000), Rat Race (2001), and The Producers (2005). He also voiced roles in Hotel Transylvania (2012) and Hotel Transylvania 2 (2015). He played Alan Dershowitz on Saturday Night Live and George Santos on The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon.

Early life and education
Lovitz was born on July 21, 1957, in the Tarzana neighborhood of Los Angeles, to Harold and Barbara Lovitz. His family is Jewish and emigrated from Romania, Hungary, and Russia. His paternal grandfather Feivel Ianculovici left Romania around 1914 and Anglicized his name to Phillip Lovitz after arriving in the United States.

In college, Lovitz was friends with David Kudrow, brother of Lisa Kudrow, and went on a backpacking trip across Europe and Israel with him in 1978. He graduated with a bachelor's degree in drama in 1979, then studied acting with Tony Barr at the Film Actors Workshop. He became a member of the Groundlings comedy troupe, where he befriended his future SNL castmate Phil Hartman.

1985–1992: Saturday Night Live
Lovitz's first stint as a regular in a situation comedy was that of Mole, an investigator for a New York City district attorney's office, in the short-lived 1985–86 series Foley Square, starring Margaret Colin. Lovitz was a cast member of Saturday Night Live from 1985 to 1990. He later said in an interview for the book Live From New York: An Uncensored History of Saturday Night Live that his time on SNL was the most memorable in his career. He went from having no money to being offered a $500,000 film contract. He was nominated for an Emmy Award his first two years on Saturday Night Live. One of his most notable SNL characters was "Tommy Flanagan, The Pathological Liar" who used an old Humphrey Bogart line "Yeah! That's the ticket!" as a catchphrase to punctuate painfully elaborated implausible lies. His other recurring characters and impersonations included Annoying Man, Master Thespian, Tonto, Mephistopheles, David Crosby, Harvey Fierstein, and Michael Dukakis. In a 1986 SNL episode, he portrayed a virgin Trekkie, who was scripted to hang his head when asked by William Shatner if he had ever kissed a girl.

Hanukkah Harry, one of Lovitz's most memorable roles, cast him in 1989 as a Jewish contemporary of Santa Claus who lives on Mount Sinai and travels the globe with a cart flown by three donkeys to give bland gifts to Jewish boys and girls. He is asked to fill in when Santa falls ill on Christmas Eve.

On February 15, 2015, on the Saturday Night Live 40th Anniversary Special, he was named by Steve Martin as one of the many SNL cast members who had died over the years, with the camera cutting to show Lovitz's reaction. Later, his image was seen in a montage of deceased SNL members, with the camera once again cutting to his now "outraged" reaction.

1993–2008: Post-SNL, The Critic
From 1997 to 1999, he was cast to replace Phil Hartman on NewsRadio upon the late actor's untimely death. Lovitz has lent his voice to several cartoons and films. In The Critic, he played the title character Jay Sherman (using his regular speaking voice). He has made several appearances on The Simpsons—as Marge's prom date Artie Ziff in "The Way We Was", the art teacher in "Brush with Greatness", theater director Llewellyn Sinclair and his sister who owned a daycare center in "A Streetcar Named Marge", Andre in "Homer's Triple Bypass", and numerous other appearances, including the character of Jay Sherman in the episode "A Star Is Burns", a crossover with The Critic. He was also the voice of Radio in the Hyperion-produced, Disney-distributed animated film The Brave Little Toaster, and that of T.R. Chula the tarantula in Amblimation's An American Tail: Fievel Goes West.

In the 1990s, Lovitz voiced the Red M&M in commercials for M&M's. Between 1999 and 2000 Lovitz appeared in a $33 million advertising campaign that featured a series of television commercials promoting the Yellow Pages. The comic premise was to present Lovitz as the Yellow Pages' author. One of them featured Lovitz saying, "The hardest thing to do is to come up with a simple idea that is also great. And I just thought, 'Oh, the alphabet!'"

Lovitz performed a duet with Robbie Williams on Williams' album Swing When You're Winning (2001), in the song "Well, Did You Evah". On October 10, 2001, Lovitz sang a duet (with Williams) of the song "Well, Did You Evah!" at the Royal Albert Hall. The recording can be found on the Swing When You're Winning album. He also performed on the TV series Two and a Half Men singing "Save the Orphans" and beating Charlie (Charlie Sheen) out of the award for best jingle writer. He has appeared on Broadway at the Music Box Theatre in Neil Simon's play The Dinner Party, taking over the lead role from Henry Winkler. He sang at Carnegie Hall three times (including Great Performances' Ira Gershwin at 100: A Celebration at Carnegie Hall) and sang the national anthem at Dodger Stadium and the U.S. Open.

Lovitz began his stand-up career in 2003 at the Laugh Factory in Los Angeles. In 2006, he became the spokesman in an advertising campaign for the Subway restaurant chain.

2009–present: Standup
In 2009, The Jon Lovitz Comedy Club location on Universal CityWalk in Universal Studios Hollywood opened. A comic short film starring Ken Davitian and featuring Lovitz was filmed there, directed by Brent Roske and written by Aaron Davitian. The Jon Lovitz Comedy Club in Universal Studios Hollywood was home to the first MMA Roasted standup comedy show in 2009. On May 29, 2011, the name was changed to the Jon Lovitz Comedy Club & Podcast Theatre. A premiere event called Podammit was held, in which Kevin Smith hosted a variety of six podcasts, including Plus One 3D with his wife, Jennifer Schwalbach; Hollywood Babble-On with Ralph Garman; and Jay & Silent Bob Get Old with Jason Mewes; as well as The ABCs of SNL with Lovitz himself, a six-episode This Is Your Life-style biographical interview about Lovitz's life and career. The Club periodically hosted other podcasts such as Rob Paulsen's Talkin' Toons (which subsequently left in October 2013). The Jon Lovitz Comedy Club & Podcast Theater closed on November 5, 2014.

In 2020, Lovitz starred in commercials for Playology, a brand of toys for aging dogs. They featured him with disparaging puppies, asking for senior dogs to get their due. That same year he portrayed lawyer Alan Dershowitz on season 45 of Saturday Night Live with Adam Driver as the host playing Jeffrey Epstein. In 2023 he portrayed U.S. Congressman George Santos on The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon.

Comedic influences
In a 2011 interview, Lovitz described his comedic influences, "When I was 13, I saw Woody Allen's movie Take The Money and Run, and I wanted to be a comedian. Then when I was 16, I saw the movie Lenny, about Lenny Bruce, starring Dustin Hoffman. I thought the movie was so great, and I'd never heard of Lenny, so I went to the record store because I wanted to hear the real guy. Then I saw that Woody Allen had a record. I didn't know he had been a standup. So, I bought Woody Allen: The Nightclub Years, '64-'68. I learned their routines and performed them at my college dorm. That was at U.C. Irvine. I was a drama major there. In imitating their routines, I learned a lot about writing. You learn how to write a joke. I was influenced by them a lot, the way I say something, the timing or whatever. Or Jack Benny, sometimes I'll go, 'Well....'"

Personal life
Lovitz resides in Beverly Hills, California. He is friends with Sean Penn and Adam Sandler. He was also friends with Penny Marshall and Phil Hartman. He has described Hartman as "the big brother I always wanted".

Charity
Lovitz was a contestant on The New Celebrity Apprentice (also known as Celebrity Apprentice 8), playing for the charity St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. He was the sixth contestant fired, finishing in 11th place and raising $50,000 for his charity.

Feud with Andy Dick
Lovitz was involved in an intense feud with former NewsRadio costar Andy Dick concerning the death of their mutual friend Phil Hartman. According to Lovitz, Dick gave Hartman's wife Brynn cocaine at a Christmas party at Hartman's house in 1997. Brynn, a recovering addict, began using drugs again, culminating in her killing Hartman and herself on May 28, 1998. When Lovitz joined the cast of NewsRadio as Hartman's replacement, he and Dick got into a heated argument in which Lovitz reportedly shouted "I wouldn't be here if you hadn't given Brynn coke in the first place." Lovitz later apologized to Dick for the remark.

In early 2007, Dick approached Lovitz at a restaurant and said "I put the Phil Hartman hex on you—you're the next to die." On July 10, 2007, Lovitz got into a physical altercation with Dick at the Laugh Factory in Los Angeles. Lovitz demanded an apology from Dick, who refused and accused Lovitz of blaming him for Hartman's death. Lovitz then smashed Dick's head into the bar.

Political beliefs
Politically, Lovitz is a supporter of the Democratic Party. However, he was an outspoken critic of former President Barack Obama. He called Obama a "fucking asshole" and criticized him for claiming the rich did not pay their share of taxes. Lovitz said: "He had nothing … and the guy ends up being at Harvard. He's the president of the United States. And now he's like, 'Fuck me and everyone who made it like me'."

In June 2021, Lovitz criticized cancel culture and compared it to McCarthyism. He opined that it makes comedians' jobs increasingly difficult, saying, "If you don't have the ability to laugh at yourself, don't go to a comedy club," and "If you're watching TV and you don't like the show, change the channel. It's very simple."

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Talk:North Jeolla Province

aaansang hong is no god he is the main master of church.

New Symbol
recently, Symbol of Jeonbuk is revised. go to, click anywhere, then you can download new symbol of jeonbuk.--121.154.144.185 (talk) 11:38, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Removal of Advertising
I just reverted back to a version before all of the contact info for travel agencies and tour groups was added. None of that belongs in Wikipedia. Please see WP:NOTDIRECTORY for more information. In addition the section listing all of the details of each area reads like a travel brochure, and has lots of language that is inappropriate for WP. Our job is to provide factual, reliable, sourced info. I don't at the moment feel like going and slashing out the ad-speak, as I'd prefer the original editor worked on that. One thing the original editor must do is add sources for this information--specifically, those that meet the criteria in WP:RS. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask here. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:21, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Further Edits
I also decided to remove all of the "detailed" info about each of the cities and counties. Each of those locations already has its own article page, and so any relevant info should go there. What was included read mostly like an advertisement, in any regard. Wikipedia should be in neutral point of view, which means no flowery phrases that sound like they came from a travel brochure. Finally, Wikipedia articles should not have bare links in them. Any appropriate links belong in the External Links section at the end; for this article, the one external link to the Region's home page is sufficient, and a link to each of the cities/counties homepages can go on each article's pages. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:44, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

New article title
The article is currently titled "Jeonbuk State", due to a move made by @Incheonlove with the following justification: Jeonbuk State is now officially launched on 18 January 2024 from North Jeolla Province.

Respectfully, I'm skeptical of the move for two reasons:
 * It goes against WP:NCKO, although granted these are just guidelines and not rules
 * It is unlikely to be the WP:COMMONNAME. If you're not familiar with the policy about common name, I strongly encourage you to read that link carefully. For reference, common name is such a powerful policy that it tends to outweigh "official names". Hence why Turkey is the article title for the country, despite the country's official spelling of Türkiye. Similarly, South Korea's official name is the Republic of Korea, but we use South Korea.

I'll wait for a response, then may revert if none in a few days. If you'd like to attempt this move again, please do it in a move discussion; this is not an uncontroversial move. toobigtokale (talk) 02:53, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

 * I went ahead and added a request to revert in WP:RMT. Maybe I was a bit bold but from recent sources (published after the name change) such as the Korea Times, Korea Herald, and Yonhap, North Jeolla is still the common name. Dantus21 (talk) 03:43, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Purple

Feminism symbol

Isn't that pink? Skyshifter  talk  02:16, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

China section no source
"In ancient China, purple was obtained not through the Mediterranean mollusc, but purple gromwell. The dye obtained did not easily adhere to fabrics, making purple fabrics expensive. Purple became a fashionable color in the state of Qi (齊, 1046 BC–221 BC) because its ruler, Qin Shi Huang, developed a preference for it. As a result, the price of purple fabric was over five times that of plain fabric. His minister, Guan Zhong (管仲), eventually convinced him to relinquish this preference." This doesn't have any sources and it's also claiming that Qin Shi Huang, who lived in the 3rd century BCE got advised by someone who lived in the 7th century BCE. It also confuses the state of Qi with the state of Qin. Pinkvenom748 (talk) 23:17, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

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Bit (disambiguation)

A bit is a symbol used for communication or, equivalently, a unit of information storage on a computer. A bit is also used as a unit of information.

Bit or BIT may also refer to:

Tools and engineering

 * Drill bit, for drilling holes
 * Screwdriver bit
 * Tool bit, for lathe turning
 * Bit key, a key with a distinct part that engages the locking mechanism. The shape described by the bitting.
 * Bit (horse), part of horse tack placed in the mouth
 * The cutting edge of an axe
 * The heated part of a soldering iron

Arts and entertainment

 * Unit of action or bit, in acting
 * Bit part, a minor role
 * Bit (comedy), material from a standup comedian's repertoire
 * Bit, in the list of Tron characters
 * Bit (film), a 2019 vampire film

Organisations

 * Behavioural Insights Team, a social engineering organization
 * Bit Corporation, a video game company
 * Bipolar Integrated Technology, a former American semiconductor company
 * BIT Teatergarasjen, Norwegian theatre and dance company
 * Bright Ideas Trust, British social enterprise

Education

 * Bearys Institute of Technology, a private technical co-educational college, Mangalore, India
 * Bangalore Institute of Technology, an institution of higher learning in India
 * Beijing Institute of Technology, a university in China
 * Birla Institute of Technology, Mesra, an engineering institute in Ranchi, India
 * Birla Institute of Technology, Patna, an engineering institute in Patna, India
 * BIT International College, formerly the Bohol Institute of Technology or BIT, in Bohol, Philippines
 * BIT Sathy or Bannari Amman Institute of Technology, India
 * Bhilai Institute of Technology – Durg, in Central India
 * Bangladesh International Tutorial- A school in Dhaka

Science and technology

 * Built-in test, in electronics
 * BIT (alternative information centre), a communal information service which derived its name from the smallest unit of computer information
 * Benzisothiazolinone, a biocide
 * BIT Numerical Mathematics a journal of mathematics
 * Binary indexed tree, a data structure

Other uses

 * Bit people, an ethnic group in Laos
 * Bit language, spoken by the Bit people
 * Bit (money)
 * Bachelor of Information Technology, a degree
 * Bilateral investment treaty
 * Bit or Bitburger, the beer of the Bitburger brewery
 * Bit, magazine for owners of home computers published by Ultrasoft
 * Beijing Institute of Technology F.C., an association football club in China
 * BIT, the National Rail station code for Bicester Village railway station, Oxford, England
 * Bit, a traditional valtelinese cheese
 * Bittern railway station, Melbourne

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I have moved this article from "North P'yongan" to "North Pyongan," in order to avoid using diacritical marks (namely, ') in article titles. This reflects the move someone else already made of "P'yongyang" to "Pyongyang." --Sewing 18:24, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

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Talk:Paektu Mountain

Page rename
After some discussion on another page, some checking shows that Changbai is more common of a name than Baekdu. Search on Britannica shows gives this link on searching for Changbai www.britannica.com/eb/article-9022423/Chang-pai-Mountains, but searches for Baekdu yield nothing. www.britannica.com/search?query=Baekdu&ct=&searchSubmit.x=0&searchSubmit.y=0 Searches on Encyclopeida Encarta give these hits for Changbai, but no hits for Baekdu. Searches on Columbia Encyclopedia give the follwing articles on Changbai, but searches for Baekdu turn up nothing.  --Yuje 21:09, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 59,600 hits on Google for Changbai mountain on Google, 10,900 for Baekdu mountain.
 * 14,200 hits for Changbai mountain on Yahoo, 2,010 for Baekdu mountain
 * 14,400 hits for Changbai mountain on Altavista, 2,000 hits for Baekdu mountain
 * 6,184 hits for Changbai mountain on MSN, 1,707 for Baekdu mountain

I'm against this. First, Baekdusan is usually written "Paekdusan" so your searches should have no results. Also, most of your searches should result in the Mountain Ranges, not the mountain itself. i have done similiar searches, and there's hardly any hits of the "Changbaishan" for the mountain itself, without any connection to the mountain range.

Also, since when did the Han Chinese have Baekdusan under their control? It was only after PRC got the whole of Manchuria. Han Nationalists will argue that they had Manchuria during the Han and Tang age, but the poblem is that both dynasties never went that far east.

Yuje, I have to say that I'm pretty tired of you Han nationalist views. Please leave Korean things alone. --General Tiger 03:55, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Koree things? Like Chinese characters, Confucius, Dragon Boat festival, Japan, China, Mongolia, Siberia? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.214.116.173 (talk • contribs).

 * I haven't realized that Google, Altavista, MSN, Britannica, Encarta, and Columbia have all joined hands in aiding my historial revisionism and Han nationalism. My Google-fu must be strong indeed for me to have gained such allies. --Yuje 05:56, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

My google searches

changbaishan: 49,900 (but we need to take out the Changbaishan hotel, 9,920 hits, the mountain range , and other such unrelated hits, so I did another search below)

changbaishan korea: 14,000

paektusan: 11,600

paekdusan: 2,260

baekdusan: 11,300

Baitou Mountain: 3,180

If we look at the above searches, it seems that the two versions are similar. therefore, we have a bit of a deadlock.

However, I advocate the Baekdusan variates since

1) Even the Chinese sometimes uses the Korean style of White-headed Mountain (which, according to Naming conventions (common names), should give Baekdusan variates a hand)

2) We already have the Changbai Mountains Ranges

3) The highest peak of the mountain is in North Korea, which is on the southern side of Cheonji.

Therefore, we should include the name Changbaishan in the article itself, but put the title as Baekdusan or the such.

--General Tiger 06:41, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

 * To reuse Good_friend100's argument, since the mountain range is already at Changbai Mountains, it would be confusing for the most prominent mountain to feature the name using a different romanization system. So for consistency's sake, shouldn't the name of the highest peak be in the same romanization system as well? Or does the argument work only in one direction? Furthermore, this is the English encyclopedia, so our primary consideration should be English usage, not Chinese or Korean usage. As I said above, Changbai is a consistently used name not only in search engine hits, but among multiple encyclopedias as well. Also, Baekdu is used to refer to a mountain rage as well, so that applies both ways. And I don't believe that Baitou is a name used commonly in China. Baitou usually refers to a city in Inner Mongolia, and a google search that removes Wiki terms has only one mention of such a name for the mountain. --Yuje 08:04, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I get about 35,000 hits for the various Korean romanizations and about 44,500 hits for Changbai / Changbaishan ... That is a difference, but I'm not sure if it's a terribly significant one. (Further, adding "hotel" as a negative parameter brings to total for Changbai/Changbaishan down to 38,300). If I have missed a common Chinese spelling, please correct me. Given these results, and given the above-mentioned ambiguity between Changbai Mountain and the Changbai Mountains, it seems to me that Naming conventions (precision) is more relevant than Naming conventions (common names). To my knowledge, the Korean name is unambiguous, and is therefore preferable. -- Visviva 06:56, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Look at your search string---
 * ---mountain+baekdu+OR+paekdu+OR+paektu+OR+baekdusan+OR+paektusan+OR+paekdusan+-
 * VS
 * ---changbai+changbaishan

 * DUDE YOU ARE CHEAP!

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.110.227.162 (talk) 20:45, 1 February 2007 (UTC).

 * Will all involved please filter Wikipedia from their search terms by using the command "-wikipedia"? Wikipedia hits greatly inflate search terms. For example, searching for Baekdusan gives over 10,000 hits, but removing wikipedia produces only 901 hits.

 * Also, Visviva, i don't neccessarily agree that the term "hotel" need to be filtered from the search, since the hotel actually does appear to be located in Changbai, and thus is a legitimate hit for Changbai mountain. It doesn't appear to be a case where the hotel refers to a different location or term. Furthermore, "Baekdu" refers to a mountain range as well, (wiki article at Baekdudaegan), so Baekdu isn't any more unambiguous than Changbai is. Given that both names contain a degree of ambiguity, I prefer that we keept the name at the more common version. --Yuje 08:00, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure if that first request was directed at me, but my search links above are filtered against Wikipedia. I do learn, slowly.  :-)  As for the hotel, I'm not sure either; but regardless, the difference between the Korean and Chinese frequencies just doesn't seem very striking; it's not the kind of difference that would suggest that one name has become established in common usage, while the other has not.  The Baekdudaegan is a bit of a red herring, methinks, since that "range" is hardly ever referred to as the "Baekdu Mountains," while the range around Baekdu/Baitou is almost always referred to as the "Changbai (or Changbaek or Jangbaek) Mountains."  This is getting a bit off-topic, but compare "Baekdu Mountains" (~70) (most of which are accidental) with Baekdudaegan (~570) -- and that's just one romanization.  Cheers, -- Visviva 12:50, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

"our primary consideration should be English usage, not Chinese or Korean usage." The we should use "white headed mountain" if that is what you truly mean. "Changbaishan" is definitely Chinese, it doesn't make sense that you want to move this page.

Like I commented at the Chonji talk page, why do you make it so hard here? Why the hassle? We don't need to move the page. Its perfectly fine the way it is, there are no controversies (save the one you began), and this article does not a have a problem. Good friend100 01:45, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

 * No, Good friend100, the Chinese usage would be 长白山. Only one English title for the article is possible, so combining different romanizations and different spellings makes little sense. And pointing out facts is "making it hard"? As I showed, all other encyclopedias (you know, all the professional ones) use Changbai as the name, and Changbai enjoys a clear majority in usage on the web. I suspect that the English-language usage of "Changbai" will only increase, once the upcoming Changbai airport is completed in 2008. So if I advocate this name as well based on consistency, common usage on the net, common usage on other enclopedic sources, then I'm being difficult? Most other encyclopedias use Changbai for the name, and not Baekdu. A short search on Google scholar will reveal that professional research papers favor "Changbai" as well. Are you saying all those other encyclopedias, web pages, and research papers are wrong and you're right?

 * From where I'm standing, I see you making emotional appeals but not valid points. Might I ask you why you think we should ignore these facts? As I see it, those encyclopedias aren't controversial, but you're trying to make it so. On the other hand, I do see that some people who do oppose the move based on blatently POV reasons (such as Oyo321's extremely enlightened comments that a page rename will lead the destruction of Korea). If you don't think this discussion will lead to anywhere, I'm perfectly happy with us dealing with this issue through mediation as well. I'm confident that the points I brought up will stand on their own, and that I can make a strong case for it. How about you? --Yuje 11:59, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

 * So I'm emotional, eh? And you are offering mediation while blatently rejecting all others? And China's plan to make a Changbai airport and to hold olympic games at Changbai mountain is just to advertise the mountain itself, its not really important in this article. Chonji obviously will not move because "Chonji" is the clearest title for that article. This article does not need to move because there is no point having a Korean lake on top of a Chinese mountain. Do you understand that?

 * Also, I never mentioned anything about encyclopedias. I am reffering to your googe searches, which cannot determine everything (as seen in the Japanese invasions of Korea (1592-1598) talk page).

 * google searches and/or encyclopedia searches will most likely bring up "Changbaishan" because of the fact that

Good friend100 14:45, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The mountain can only be accessed in the Chinese side.
 * North Korean tourism is very very limited.
 * We don't hear a lot from North Korea (apart from their nuke problem)
 * There are many hotels and/or restaurants named after "Changbaishan"

Also, you cannot ignore the search results General Tiger has produced. It is also important to point out that "Baekdusan" can be spelled out or named in several different names, considering how a book or internet site spells it. Good friend100 14:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Proof of the last one? Filtering out the term "hotel" from both terms still raise large degree of difference. All the others you raised might be true, but regardless, the conclusion you admitted yourself is exactly that Changbai Mountain is the more common English name, and Baekdu isn't. Changbai is encountered most often by English speakers, English readers, English-speaking tourists, articles, encyclopedias, and so on. There's even other sites named after it, such as the hotel located in the mountains, and the airport located in the mountains, which will make exposure all the more common. All those various websites, encyclopedias, and English-speaking tourists encounter the name "Changbai", but you're recommending that instead, we base the name on something that "can be spelled out in several different names, considering how a book or internet site spells it", which 1)will be rarely encountered, because access isn't possible, 2)tourists will never see, because tourism is very very limited, and 3)we'll never hear a lot about, apart from the nuke problem? And you're the one complaining about confusion and ambiguity? Again, if you think I'm simply being stubborn and my points completely baseless, we can try to resolve this through mediation. Or do you think such a proposal would be unfair to you?

 * I proposed the move not to "make things hard" for you, but obviously because I think I'm right and you're wrong, and I think I'm able to show it. Don't confuse disagreement with hostility, or all of Wikipedia might be a massive flamefest. Good_friend100, if a simple page rename proposal is drawing such an emotional reaction from you, perhaps you need to take a step back and reconsider whether or not you're really approaching this issue in a NPOV manner. --Yuje 01:03, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Hm interesting response. It seems you are getting emotional by writing a lot and throwing questions at me. Your attitude doesn't help either. Its all right or its all wrong for you. I'll consider stepping back, since your response is all sharp and hammered down simply because you wish to move the page.

 * Again, I have already asked, why do we have to go into this? Instead of heating up, why not just throw all the possible names for this article to an ambiguity page when somone searches for "Chonji" or "Tianchi" or whatever. Good friend100 01:23, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Also, think about it from a user's perspective, someone who just wants to learn, but not to edit. He goes to encyclopedia Encarta, and sees a picture of Changbai. What would he naturally search on Wikipedia? Changbai, of course. Or suppose he sees "Baekdu Mountain" on Wikipedia, and wants to confirm it on another encyclopedia. He goes to Encarta encyclopedia, types in "Baekdu", and gets no related hits. Dissapointed, this user goes and tries in Encyclopedia Britannica instead, eagerly typing in "Baekdu" to try to learn more. Yet, this dissapointed user again finds www.britannica.com/search?query=Baekdu&ct=&searchSubmit.x=0&searchSubmit.y=0 no hits. However, by typing in the "Changbai" into such encyclopedia searches, he immediately finds what he's looking for. Which do you think is more helpful to the reader?

 * Also note that I don't propose combining different romanizations from Chinese, either. I'm not a hypocrite. If I did, the results would be even more overwhelmingly in favor. Changbai yields 144,000 hits, Chang bai yields 17,000 hits , Changbaishan yields 46,800 hits , Changbai mountain yields 40,200 hits , and so on. Please make no more arguments in favor of supporting your argument by combining different romanizations such as paektusan, paekdusan, baekdusan, etc, unless you believe such a tactic is fair for me to use as well. --Yuje 01:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

First you should know that Paektusan, Paekdusan, Baekdusan, etc mean all the same thing. The tallest mountain in Korea.

Of course you would get 144,000 hits since "Changbai" can mean almost anything since you left out "shan" (which means mountain, right?). This "tactic" that I use does not apply to Changbaishan because "Changbai" technically does not mean the mountain anymore. Baekdu Mountain simply has several ways to spell it in English. Good friend100 21:02, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

This page name should be CHANGBAI. right now the Korea nationlism have pose a grave threat to all neighboring countries. This should to sounding alarm to everyone. and has to be watched closed. korean nationlism is troublesome, and potentially very dangerous, more dangerous than Kim the second's nuke.

 * I doubt it. No matter how much anyone rants and raves, a country needs to physically send an eighteen-year old with a gun to plant his country's flag on a piece of land before it actually owns it. Obviously, they don't actually have the ability to do this to China (biggest army in the world) or Japan (second biggest navy in the world), nor do Japan or China have the ability to invade the other two, either. Politicians may pander to nationalism to gain votes, but once in office they tend to realize very quickly the importance of good relations with neighboring countries.--Yuje 05:45, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Then you can explain why China is so aggresively claiming Goguryeo and Baekdu mountain as their own. I always wonder if the Chinese historians and proffessors who study the ethnicity of Goguryeo ever feel guilty, but there's also another probability that the government forces them to study and claim Goguryeo as their own. You get pretty disgusted when you see a country claiming another country's culture and history.

 * The reason why I think China is claiming Goguryeo is because the fact the Goguryeo smeared the Chinese into the ground in the endless wars China waged on Goguryeo. It would be great for China to see Goguryeo as their own ethnicity since that would mean Korea never defeated China and the wars were simply between Chinese kingdoms. Good friend100 21:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

 * So are you saying China doesn't actually physically own its part of the mountain currently? Anyway, I think current relations between the East Asian countries are already pretty good. I can't imagine any of them fighting a war in the future, not even Taiwan and the PRC.

 * I don't ever recall myself saying that the people of Koguryo were Han Chinese. I recall reading a Jared Diamond article saying that the inhabitants of Paekche and Koguryo were the ancestors of the Japanese. Their languages showed closer similarity to ancient Japanese than to ancient Korean, and after their defeat by Shilla, refugees fleeing to Japan developed into the modern Japanese people.

 * And I have have the greatest respect for the general who defeated the Chinese armies. He was a fine general, and I regard him as the East Asian equivalent of Hannibal. Even in ancient China, Chinese generals respected the skills and courage of their enemies. The Tang Dynasty certainly did, and incorporated foreign soldiers from places like Xianbei (Zhangsun Wuji), Gokturk (An Lushan), Persia (Pirooz), and Koguryo (Gao Xianzhi) into their armies. Betcha didn't know that after the failed invasion of Korea, some defeated Japanese soldiers were recruited into the Ming armies where they later helped fight against rebellions in western China.

 * I also don't see why're you're trying to attribute ulterior motives to me based on some actions a nigh-thousand years ago. Various Chinese dynasties have fought countless offensive and defensive wars against states from all four corners of the map, including Vietnamese, Nanchao, Dali, Burma, the Shan states, the Tibetan kingdoms/empires, the Tanguts, Turks, Khitans, Xianbei, Uyghurs, Xiongnu, Miao, Mongols, Manchus, Tartars, etc. Really, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone holding a thousand year old grudge against any of the peoples that they fought in the past, and the Mongols directly and indirectly killed some 1/5 of China's population. --Yuje 00:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Its not possible for a war between Taiwan and the PRC? Do you know what Communist countries want? They want a communist spread around the world. The PRC has repeatedly threatened to attack Taiwan by force even though the U.S has passed the Taiwan Relations Act to defend Taiwan's democracy from communism. Communism doesn't work, and in the end, it will bring any country to rubble.

China plays so cheep in the international market and politics. They threaten to cut any ties with a country if that country recognizes Taiwan. Thats what happened to Korea. We had to cut our relations with Taiwan to trade with China and left the Taiwanese ambassadors crying out of the Korean embassy. How sad. I feel sorry for the Taiwanese.

Betcha didn't know Chinese soldiers raped and pillaged Koreans when the came to help the Korean army. Good friend100 16:41, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Have you seen China attempt to spread any communism any time in the last 30+ years? Care to give an example? Not that I don't believe you, I just want to hear an example. Do you mean when it joined the WTO? Or opened up Special Economic Zones?

 * Anyway, no one is coercing SK to keep it's relationships with the PRC. SK didn't even start diplomatic relations with them till the 1980's. I'm certainly no communist stooge, so if you would rather trade with Taiwan instead, feel perfectly free to switch relations. The PRC would obviously rather not trade or have ties with any country that does, of course, but that's within their rights as well. Don't think I'm holding you back. Go ahead and give your president a call (today, if possible!), and tell him to end all relations with the mainland and recognize Taiwan instead.

 * I did in fact know about Chinese soldiers in Korea, and I never attempted to exonerate them. I suppose you'd probably not rather have had their help in Korea. China would have been better off for it, as well. They were fighting three simultaneous uprisings at the time, which was why the emperor delayed in sending help at all. The one in Korea had to come back fresh from fighting a Mongolian invasion, and had to leave right afterwards, to continue dealing with the wars China was already embroiled in. That they chose to send help at all while mired in debt and fighting three simultaneous wars is certainly in dire contrast to the amount of gratitude that they recieved (none). I can say the same about the modern US forces as well. The US forces loss over 30,000 lives defending SK from communist invasion, and have spent money and lives on the front line protecting them for the next several decades ever since, and up to now, the USA has been hated and reviled, and told "Yankee go home!".

 * If you really want to play the oppression olympics, I can up the ante. I suppose you probably didn't know about Korea's WW2 war criminals? Koreans in the Japanese armies served in many POW camps, which had mortality rates as high as 37%. Places like the Death Railway were manned by Korean guards. Of the 148 Koreans convicted of war crimes in the Tokyo Trials, the Korean government has cleared 83 of them from crimes. These weren't guards who were just doint their jobs, but people who were exceptionally overzealous and committed crimes against humanity above and beyond the call of duty. If you want me to answer for crimes committed hundreds of years ago (and which I took no part in), then care to answer for something done only last year?--Yuje 00:48, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Internal struggles in China does not mean it gives Chinese soldiers the right to do whatever they wanted to do in Korea. Also, Chosun sent Korean arquebuse soldiers to China to repel barbarian attacks from Russia.

 * The issue about South Korea and the PRC's economic relations is already finished. I mentioned how China is still interested in controlling Taiwan. Any communist country likes to see the spread of communism. Thats why China is playing their cards for Taiwan and North Korea as well. Communist ideals call for a spread of communism and thats what the Soviet Union tried to do. And I'm referring to the government of China, not its economy (I'm already aware of China's economic zones and the WTO).

 * I'm not anti-American, I'm pro-American. You can make fun of all the Koreans who hate the U.S and sympathize with North Korean communists, I don't care, I'm not offended (but I do hate the anti American Koreans, like you said, America defended democracy in Korea).

 * You should know that many of the Koreans who worked for the Japanese during WWII were forced to, bribed, or because they needed to support their family. I'm not stupid, I am very interested in WWII and I know about Korean criminals who worked for Japan.

 * Do you even know that Chinese border guards repeatedly shoot and kill Tibeten and other travellers today whenever they see them. Its not well known because the government obviously allows this but keeps it secret. I watched this on TV when a Tibeten traveller was filmed on a video camera getting shot. Who knows why China is so antsy about their border when a few harmless travellers climbing over a mountain is shot dead? Good friend100 15:33, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I think you already know the answer. Why does Korea do the exact same thing to refugees trying to flee north? Why do they shoot people who flee, and imprison returnees in concentration camps to slowly work them to death while they starve? Why do Koreans get so antsy when some harmless starving people get tired of eating grass and tree bark and flee north? Apply the same towards China, and your question is answered.

 * If you hate Chinese people as much as you seemingly do, shouldn't you be happy that China is continuing down its current path where it should (according to you) eventually destroy itself? Me, I have no apologies to make for communism. The elder members of my family served the nationalists in the civil war, and then fought for the US forces in the Korean War. And yet as anti-communist as they are, none would hope to see their former homeland divided into two. The issue of reunification is seperate from that of proliferating communism.--Yuje 02:32, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm anti North Korea. It is easy to tell the difference between North and South Korea. South Korea does not shoot refugees fleeing north or commit crimes. The communist government of North Korea has problems not South Korea.

I'm going to suggest that Korea (north or south) and China have both done bad things in the past and also say that no country is ever perfect and has its own bad markings in its gradebook. Let's just leave it that both Korea and China have made good and bad decisions in the past. Good friend100 00:00, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Good friend100, you cannot use Cold War-era red scare MacCarthyism to critisize a country. You seem to have a stigma against socialist countries. The ROC (Taiwan) claims Paektu/Changbai as well. You are an excellent specimen of nationalism gone wrong.

If you want to critisize "socialism", critisize your northern bretheren too. Oh, and don't call us communists. There is a difference between communism and socialism - socialism is the 2nd stage in Marxist theory; Communism is the 3rd stage, where everything in stores are free (i.e. utopia), which didn't seem to work. To this date, there is no such country as a communist country. Benlisquare (talk) 11:57, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Requested move
Could we move this article to "Baekdusan"? The Wikipedia naming conventions for Korean states that all mountains should have a "san" after the mountain's name. Most other Korean articles on Korean mountains are named using this, and I agree that the article must be moved. Good friend100 19:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

 * I oppose. "Baekdusan" is not a common form in English. The most common form is "Mt. Baekdu". Per Naming conventions (common names) and WikiProject Mountains, I propose it to be moved to "Mount Baekdu". --Kusunose 01:00, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Check mountain section at in the Wikipedia naming conventions for Korea. Good friend100 02:28, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

 * From Naming conventions (Korean): This convention applies to mountains without an accepted English name. If a different name has been established in common English usage, it should be used, per Use common names. --Kusunose 03:09, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Here is a list of references presented by Deiaemeth in the previous discussion which resulted the article moved here from Baitou Mountain. None of them use "-san" form and "Mount -" form is the most common usage. --Kusunose 06:02, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * UNESCO uses "Mount Paekdu"
 * Gurdian uses "Mount Paekdu"
 * Fotosearch uses "mt. baekdu"
 * American University uses "Mount Paektu" or "Mt. Paektu"
 * Encyclopædia Britannica uses "Mount Paektu" or "Paektu Mountain" www.britannica.com/search?query=paektu+&ct=&searchSubmit.x=11&searchSubmit.y=11
 * All States Flag uses "mount paektu"

 * I agree. We should be consistent with naming Baekdusan. If users search for "Mt. Baekdu" then it can link directly to "Baekdusan," and maybe people will learn a little history behind "Baekdusan." Oyo321 12:02, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Just a suggestion, no need to start throwing supporting facts. If Baekdu Mountain is good enough, then its perfectly fine. Good friend100 01:38, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

 * You're absolutely right. That should be the last thing on our minds. Keeping Baekdu Mountain from turning into "changbaishan" is of greatest priority. Oyo321 05:01, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Oyo, you need to be quiet, your word choice needs to be more carefully chosen. Good friend100 00:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

It is true, though. --DandanxD 12:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Name of article
THIS ARTICLE SHOULD BE CALLED BAEKDU MOUNTAIN OR BAEK DOO SAN. CHINESE NAME CHANGBAI SAN OR MOUNTAIN SHOULD BE LEFT OUT COMPLETELY. WHEN DID PEOPLE START CALLING BAEK DOO SAN OR BAEK DU MOUNTAIN CHINESE NAME CHANGBAI SAN????? PROBABLY RECENTLY. THIS ARTICLE BELONGS TO KOREA. ARTICLE SHOULD BE WRITTEN BAEKDU MOUNTAIN OR BAEKDUSAN. NO EXCEPTIONAL WORD LIKE CHANGBAI SAN OR MOUNTAIN. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KoreaBaekDooSan (talk • contribs) 06:59, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Could anybody tell me why a place in China should name in Korean? And this place is usually called as "Baitoushan" in English. --Macorien 06:51, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Is "Changbai Mountain" common in English?-- Dunyi Loving the Lotus ◈ (  my Shack  ) 12:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Baitoushan is the Chinese pronounciation of the Korean Baekdusan(백두산/白頭山). Why would anyone use the Chinese pronounciation for a Korean mountain?! And as for the "Changbai Mountain" thing, no one (except China) uses that title to name Korea's Baekdu Mountain- if you want more info, refer to early posts regarding this issue. --DandanxD 12:04, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

 * The mountain isn't a "Korean mountain"; China owns half of it, and has owned its portion of it for centuries. The name Changba is used by the following encyclopedias. Britannica, Encarta, Columbia--Yuje 17:38, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks. I understand now.-- Dunyi Loving the Lotus ◈ (  my Shack  ) 12:59, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, Yuje's links are about the Changbai Mountains, the mountain range. For this specific mountain, Encarta uses Paektu (variant spelling of Baekdu): Columbia uses both Paektu  and Baitou (not Changbai) and Britannica uses Paektu www.britannica.com/search?query=Paektu&ct=&searchSubmit.x=0&searchSubmit.y=0 Etimesoy 18:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

As pointed out by Kusunose's list above, this article should probably be renamed Mount Paektu. Paektu is the North Korean and most common English spelling. Baekdu is the South Korean spelling and Baitou is the Chinese spelling. Changbai is the English spelling for the mountain range, not the subject of this article. Etimesoy 18:57, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Names

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:58, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Baekdu Mountain → Changbai Mountain —

The article claims “Beakdu Mountain” to be the common name, but "Changbai Mountain" -Wikipedia -"Changbai Mountains" gets 286,000, while "Baekdu Mountain" -Wikipedia -"Changbai Mountains" gets 35,900. Why is “Beakdu Mountain” the common name? ––虞海 ( Yú Hǎi )  ✍  12:59, 13 April 2011 (UTC) ––虞海 ( Yú Hǎi )  ✍  13:02, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Changbai Mountains blocked:
 * "Changbai Mountain" -Wikipedia -"Changbai Mountains" gets 286,000;
 * "Šanggiyan Mountain" -Wikipedia -"Changbai Mountains" gets 0;
 * "Baekdu Mountain" -Wikipedia -"Changbai Mountains" gets 35,900;
 * “Beakdu Mountains” blocked:
 * "Changbai Mountain" -Wikipedia -"Beakdu Mountains" gets 300,000;
 * "Šanggiyan Mountain" -Wikipedia -"Beakdu Mountains" gets 0;
 * "Baekdu Mountain" -Wikipedia -"Beakdu Mountains" gets 36,800;
 * Nothing blocked:
 * "Changbai Mountain" -Wikipedia gets 300,000;
 * "Šanggiyan Mountain" -Wikipedia gets 0;
 * "Baekdu Mountain" -Wikipedia gets 36,800;
 * In no cases is "Baekdu Mountain" more common than "Changbai Mountain".

 * Oppose a move. This is an example par excellance of the weaknesses of trying to use Google to determine encyclopedic usage.  Setting aside for a moment that Baekdu has multiple transliterations (e.g. "Baekdu," "Baekdusan," "Paekdu," "Paekdusan," "Paektu," "Paektusan") that are not given in the above results, Google does not weigh the relative importance of the topic under each name.  To an English encyclopedic audience, Baekdu's status as Korea's highest mountain and its role in Korean history and culture give the Korean transliteration greater weight in quality English sources .  Redirects and a bold mention of Changbai in the first line can solve any other issues.  —  AjaxSmack  23:33, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

 * Oppose a move. Same as above. Also, 'Changbai Mountain' can refer to the mountain ranges for which it shares the same name in Chinese. If a change did occur, it should be changed to "Pektu Mountain". --DandanxD (talk) 05:45, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: Ok, "Baekdu Mountain" OR "Baekdusan" OR "Paekdu Mountain" OR "Paekdusan" OR "Paektu Mountain" OR "Paektusan" -Wikipedia -"Changbai Mountains" gets 36,800, far lesser than 286,000. ––虞海 ( Yú Hǎi )  ✍  06:58, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

 * Comment Per Naming conventions (geographic names) (WP:NCGN), we should not name articles solely based on search engine results. We should also avoid arguing what the place ought to be named based on significance to specific region's history and culture. Rather, we should base on usages in reliable sources. See WP:NCGN. --Kusunose 08:11, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I tried to clarify my remarks about cultural weight above. I meant that the relative cultural weight influences English usage and that subsequently should determine Wikipedia usage.  I wasn't advocating cultural interpretation by editors as a means of determining titles, i.e., I agree with you that we should go with reliable sources.  —  AjaxSmack  17:08, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply: That's right, but none of you presented "Baekdu" to be common with reliable sources, even though DandanxD presented that "Paektu" is a common name (not the sole, Changbai and Baitou are also common). ––虞海</Span> ( Yú Hǎi ) <Big> ✍ </Big> 13:38, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply That's right, but what's your concept of widely accepted names? i.e. How do you prove "Beakdu" to be a widely accepted name? Even in Google Scholar, Baitoushan is the most common name. Plus, that Baitoushan+"Baitou Mountain" hits >> that Baekdusan+"Baekdu Mountain" hits. ––<Span xml:lang="zh-Hant-CN" lang="zh-Hant">虞海</Span> ( Yú Hǎi ) <Big> ✍ </Big> 12:31, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply: Most English encyclopedias and research documents use the name "Baekdu Mountain" *or* a variant of that name which includes 'Baitou Mountain', 'Paektusan', 'Paektu Mountain', etc. Have a read of the article for variants of the name Baekdu Mountain (백두산/白頭山). As an extra note, this is from the above courtesy of Kusunose - please remember to read the earlier discussions before posting:
 * UNESCO uses "Mount Paekdu"
 * Gurdian uses "Mount Paekdu"
 * Fotosearch uses "mt. baekdu"
 * American University uses "Mount Paektu" or "Mt. Paektu"
 * Encyclopædia Britannica uses "Mount Paektu" or "Paektu Mountain" www.britannica.com/search?query=paektu+&ct=&searchSubmit.x=11&searchSubmit.y=11
 * All States Flag uses "mount paektu" " --DandanxD (talk) 13:45, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Comment:
 * Your claim is challanging but false: Baitou Mountain is not a variant of Baekdu. However, both Baitou (white-head) and Changbai (long white) are variants of Shanggiyan Alin (white mountain). Baekdu is merely a Korean transcription of Baitou Mountain, thus not referential. Your claim that authorities uses the name Baekdu does not make sense:
 * UNESCO and Encyclopedia Britannica uses "Mount Paekdu", but it's for show respect to North Koreans and Chinese Koreans, who uses the Chosŏn Kwahagwŏn or ISO11941 romanization. These Koreans, along with Manchus in China, considers Baitou Mountain to be a sacred mountain.
 * It does not support the far-right South Korean nationalists, who claim Baitou Mountain to be a South Korean territory and use their new-created name "Baekdu". So your claim that those source support your "Baekdu" naming is fake, false and inappropriate.
 * And what is Gurdian and Fotosearch anyway? They do not have enough notability.
 * Like that, I may call it "Mount Yu Hai" in my home. Does it have any notability?
 * Baitou and Paekdu/Paektu may be a plausible name, but Paekdu/Paektu is not as common as Baitou, so I'm in favor of the name "Baitou Mountain".
 * Changbai is also plausible, I'm in favor of it, too. ––<Span xml:lang="zh-Hant-CN" lang="zh-Hant">虞海</Span> ( Yú Hǎi ) <Big> ✍ </Big> 14:14, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * ––<Span xml:lang="zh-Hant-CN" lang="zh-Hant">虞海</Span> ( Yú Hǎi ) <Big> ✍ </Big> 14:07, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * (@DandanxD) My comment was that the name based on MR is more common than revised romanization and use of Mount or Mountain is better than Korean -san, using sites provided by another user. It was not an argument to uses a name derived from Korean over names derived from other languages. It was not a good list for that. For example, UNEXCO also uses Changbai and some pages are not WP:RS. Back to WP:NCGN, Paektu/Baekdu does not satisfy #1 as Britannica and Columbia also uses Baitou or Changbai for China-related articles. I don't have time to research further at the moment. --Kusunose 19:16, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Feel the same. ––<Span xml:lang="zh-Hant-CN" lang="zh-Hant">虞海</Span> ( Yú Hǎi ) <Big> ✍ </Big> 15:49, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

 * Hey User:虞海. How about taking it easy on the unilateral moves until this discussion has concluded and been adjudicated.  Baitou Mountain was not even your requested target.  Visit WP:OWN while you're at it.  — <span style="border:1px solid #000073;background:#4D4DA6;padding:2px;color:#F9FFFF;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em;font-family:Georgia;"> AjaxSmack  16:40, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * This discussion has been without new post for several days, even though I tried to let everyone not to evade the problem, so do you think there will be any further progress on the discussion? ––<Span xml:lang="zh-Hant-CN" lang="zh-Hant">虞海</Span> ( Yú Hǎi ) <Big> ✍ </Big> 16:56, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know but
 * That's probably not for any of the discussants here to decide absent a clear consensus. That's why we have the WP:RM process.
 * Baitou Mountain was not originally presented as an option and doesn't appear to have consensus. — <span style="border:1px solid #000073;background:#4D4DA6;padding:2px;color:#F9FFFF;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em;font-family:Georgia;"> AjaxSmack  17:22, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Cleanup
Hi, I recently gave the article a once-over (Apr 2023), but there’s still a lot of work left.

I put request for updated info on upcoming eruption research.

Also the grammar in the geology and history sections is still spotty.

finally article is also currently a bit repetitive.

thanks to anyone that can help address these issues Toobigtokale (talk) 06:35, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:Paektu Mountain