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Flag of Mississippi

The flag of Mississippi consists of a white magnolia blossom surrounded by 21 stars and the words 'In God We Trust' written below, all put over a blue Canadian pale with two vertical gold borders on a red field. The topmost star is composed of a pattern of five diamonds, an Indigenous symbol; the other 20 stars are white, as Mississippi was the 20th state to join the Union. The flag was adopted on January 11, 2021.

Mississippi has had three official state flags in its history. The first flag, known as the "Magnolia Flag", was adopted in 1861 and consisted of a "Flag of white ground, a magnolia tree in the centre [sic], a blue field in the upper left hand corner with a white star in the centre [sic], ... with a red border and a red fringe at the extremity of the Flag". The Magnolia Flag was declared to be "null and void" by a state constitutional convention in 1865 and the state was left without an official flag until the second one was adopted in 1894.

The second flag, designed by Edward N. Scudder and adopted in 1894, consisted of a triband of three equal horizontal stripes of blue, white, and red, with a canton of the Confederate battle flag. The thirteen stars on the state flag officially represented "the number of the original states of the Union", although they are sometimes thought to be for the states that seceded from the Union plus Missouri and Kentucky, which had both Confederate and Union governing bodies. From 1894 to 1956, and again from 2003 to 2020, this was the only state flag to incorporate the Confederate battle flag into its design, Georgia being the other from 1956 to 2003. In response to the George Floyd protests in 2020, state legislators proposed new flag designs omitting the Confederate flag.

On June 27, 2020, Governor Tate Reeves stated that if the Mississippi Legislature passed a bill that weekend addressing the flag issue, he would sign it into law. Subsequently, on June 28, 2020, the Legislature passed a bill to repeal the sections of the Mississippi State Code which made provisions for a state flag, mandate the Mississippi Department of Archives and History develop a plan for the removal of the former flag from public buildings within 15 days of the bill's effective date, and establish a commission to design a replacement that would exclude the Confederate battle flag and include the U.S. national motto "In God We Trust". Reeves then signed it into law on June 30, 2020.

The third flag was designed by Rocky Vaughan, Sue Anna Joe, Kara Giles, Dominique Pugh, and Micah Whitson. It was chosen by the commission to Redesign the Mississippi State Flag, which was established by the same June 2020 Mississippi House bill which retired the second flag. The commission received thousands of submissions, and narrowed them down to a single choice, which was submitted for public vote as a ballot measure on November 3, 2020. Voters approved the new design in a two-choice vote but the removal of the Confederate battle flag from the new proposed design was never approved by voters directly. It is one of three U.S. state flags to feature the words "In God We Trust" (the U.S. national motto), with the other two being those of Florida and Georgia.

First flag (1861–1865)
Before 1861, Mississippi lacked a flag. When the State Convention at the Capitol in Jackson declared its secession from the United States ("the Union") on January 9, 1861, near the start of the American Civil War, spectators in the balcony handed a Bonnie Blue flag down to the state convention delegates on the convention floor, and one was raised over the state capitol building in Jackson as a sign of independence. Later that night, residents of Jackson paraded through the streets under the banner. Harry McCarthy, an Irish singer and playwright who observed the street parade, was inspired to write the patriotic song "The Bonnie Blue Flag."

The first flag was known as the "Magnolia flag." It was the official state flag from March 30, 1861, until August 22, 1865. On January 26, 1861, the delegates to the state convention approved the report of a special committee that had been appointed to design a coat of arms and "a suitable flag." The flag recommended by the committee was "A Flag of white ground, a magnolia tree in the center, a blue field in the upper left hand corner with a white star in the center, the Flag to be finished with a red border and a red fringe at the extremity of the Flag." Due to time constraints and the pressure to raise "means for the defense of the state," the delegates neglected to adopt the flag officially in January but did so when they reassembled in March 1861. The Magnolia Flag was not widely used during the war, as the various Confederate flags were displayed more frequently. Following the war's end, a state constitutional convention nullified many of the ordinances and resolutions passed by the State Convention of 1861. Among those nullified was the ordinance of March 1861 "to provide a Coat of Arms and Flag for the State of Mississippi."

Second flag (1894–2020)
On February 7, 1894, the Legislature replaced the Civil War era Magnolia Flag with a new one designed by Edward N. Scudder that incorporated the Confederate battle flag in its canton. This second state flag consisted of three equal horizontal triband of blue, white, and red, with the canton of the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. The 13 stars on the state flag officially represented "the number of the original states of the Union"; though they are sometimes thought to have been for states that seceded from the Union, plus Missouri and Kentucky which had Union and Confederate governments.

The Mississippi Code of 1972, in Title 3, Chapter 3, described the flag as follows:

"§ 3-3-16. Design of state flag. The official flag of the State of Mississippi shall have the following design: with width two-thirds (2/3) of its length; with the union (canton) to be square, in width two-thirds (2/3) of the width of the flag; the ground of the union to be red and a broad blue saltire thereon, bordered with white and emblazoned with thirteen (13) mullets or five-pointed stars, corresponding with the number of the original States of the Union; the field to be divided into three (3) bars of equal width, the upper one blue, the center one white, and the lower one, extending the whole length of the flag, red (the national colors); this being the flag adopted by the Mississippi Legislature in the 1894 Special Session."

In 1906, Mississippi adopted a revised legal code that repealed all general laws that were not reenacted by the legislature or brought forward in the new code. The legislature inadvertently omitted mention of the 1894 flag, leaving the state with no official state flag from 1906 to 2001. In 2000, the Supreme Court of Mississippi confirmed that the state legislature had in 1906 repealed the 1894 adoption of the state flag; the flag used since then and considered official had actually only been customary or traditional.

2001 referendum
In January 2001, then-Governor Ronnie Musgrove appointed an independent commission which developed a new proposed flag design. On April 17, 2001, a legally binding state referendum to change the flag was put before Mississippi voters by the legislature on recommendation of this commission.

The referendum, which asked voters if the new design prepared by the independent commission should be adopted, was defeated in a vote of 64% (488,630 votes) to 36% (267,812), and the 1894 state flag was retained. The proposed flag would have replaced the Confederate rebel battle flag with a blue square canton with 20 white stars in a circular row. The outer ring of 13 stars would represent the original Thirteen Colonies, the middle ring of six stars would represent the six nations that have had sovereignty over Mississippi Territory (various Native American nations as a collective nation, French Empire, Spanish Empire, British empire, the Confederate States, and the United states) as well as the six states that precede Mississippi's admission (Vermont, Kentucky, Tennessee, Ohio, Louisiana, and Indiana), and the inner and slightly larger star would represent Mississippi itself. The 20 stars would also represent Mississippi's status as the 20th U.S. state and member of the United States of America.

When Georgia adopted a new state flag in 2003, the Mississippi flag remained the only U.S. state flag to include the Confederate battle flag's saltire. In 2001 a survey conducted by the North American Vexillological Association (NAVA) placed Mississippi's flag 22nd in design quality of the 72 Canadian provincial, U.S. state, and U.S. territorial flags ranked.

2015 replacement efforts
In the wake of the 2015 Charleston, South Carolina, church shooting, in which nine black parishioners of the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church were killed by Confederacy admirer and white supremacist Dylann Roof, there were renewed calls for Southern states to cease using the Confederate battle flag in official capacities. This extended to increased criticism of Mississippi's state flag. All eight public universities in Mississippi, along with "several cities and counties", including Biloxi, later refused to fly the state flag until the emblem was removed. The flag was excluded from state-flag displays in New Jersey, Oregon, and Philadelphia that included the flags of the other 49 states.

2015 proposal for a new flagOn September 10, 2015, Steve Earle released the single "Mississippi It's Time" with all proceeds going towards the civil rights organization, Southern Poverty Law Center. The song was produced by Earle and recorded with his longtime backup band, the Dukes, in the summer of 2015 in the aftermath of the massacre at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in June 2015. The song advocates for removal of the Confederate flag from state grounds and tackles historical themes of slavery, racism, patriotism, and progress since the Civil War.

Over 20 flag-related bills, some calling for another statewide referendum, were introduced in the legislature in 2015 and 2016, but none made it out of committee. A 2016 federal lawsuit alleging that the flag is tantamount to "state-sanctioned hate speech" was dismissed by both a district court and the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals. The US Supreme Court declined to hear the case.

Hospitality and Bicentennial flags
An alternative was devised in 2014 by artist Laurin Stennis, granddaughter of former U.S. senator John C. Stennis. Her proposal was originally dubbed the "Declare Mississippi flag" but was popularly called the "Stennis flag" and later renamed the "Hospitality flag". In June 2020, Stennis stepped back from the effort to change the 1894 flag, citing potential harm associated with her last name, which she shares with her grandfather who was a segregationist for much of his career. In August 2020, the copyrighted design was withdrawn from being an option for a new flag because it did not include the legislature-mandated "In God We Trust" slogan.

The flag consists of a single blue star on a white field, an inversion of the white star on a blue field of the Bonnie Blue flag. It is encircled by 19 smaller stars representing each state in the Union when Mississippi joined, as well as symbolizing "unity and continuity" drawing inspiration from the artifacts of the indigenous peoples of the region. The central white field represents "faith and possibility", and is flanked on each side by vertical red bars, representing "the blood spilled by Mississippians, whether civilian or military, who have honorably given their lives in pursuit of liberty and justice for all". In an interview, Stennis said the red bars also stand for "Mississippians' 'passionate differences' on the flag issue".

Since its inception, numerous bills were brought before the legislature to have the Stennis flag declared the new state flag, but none of them passed. On April 17, 2019, Mississippi governor Phil Bryant signed a new specialty license plates bill. One of the new specialty plates included the Stennis flag along with the phrase "History + Hope + Hospitality". This was the first time that the Stennis flag's design received some form of state sanction by being used in an official capacity.

A flag was created by the Mississippi Economic Council to celebrate the state's bicentennial in 2017. This flag consisted of a blue, white and red tricolor with the state seal centered on the white stripe. The flag also had the words "Established 1817" and "Bicentennial 2017" written on the white stripe on either side of the seal. This flag, without the wording, has been used as an alternative state flag and has been suggested as a possible replacement for it.

In late June 2020, former Governor Phil Bryant suggested using the bicentennial flag as a future state flag. Following the retirement of the previous state flag on June 30, 2020, this banner was used in some instances as a de facto placeholder. African American Mississippians from 2017 to 2020 frequently used the bicentennial flag along with the 2001 proposed flag.

Third flag (2020–present)

On June 9, 2020, lawmakers gathered votes and started drafting legislation to change the state flag. This was the first substantial action to change the state flag since the 2001 referendum. The proposed legislation would adopt Laurin Stennis's design as the new flag of Mississippi. With the support of Republican Speaker of the House, Philip Gunn, lawmakers began to court Republican state house members to vote for the resolution.

Gunn ensured that he would get the resolution passed through a House committee if verbal support from 30 Republicans was secured to go along with the 45 Democratic members of the House. An update on June 10 showed that lawmakers believed that they had secured at least 20 Republicans who were in favor of voting for the resolution to change the flag, while 20 more were on the fence. The lawmakers' goal was to secure at least 40 Republicans needed to suspend rules to allow a bill to be considered in the session. On June 11, Senate Democrats filed a resolution to change the state flag.

On June 18, 2020, the commissioner of the Southeastern Conference, Greg Sankey, announced the SEC would consider banning championship events in Mississippi until the flag was changed. The SEC is the athletic conference for the two largest universities in Mississippi, Ole Miss and Mississippi State. The announcement by the conference was followed by support of changing the flag from Chancellor Glenn Boyce of The University of Mississippi (Ole Miss) and President Mark E. Keenum of Mississippi State University. The athletic directors of the universities, Keith Carter (Ole Miss) and John Cohen (Mississippi State), also supported changing the flag, along with various coaches from the universities. On June 19, the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) banned all post-season play from occurring in Mississippi until the flag was changed. The NCAA had previously banned predetermined events such as football bowl games and men's basketball tournament games in 2001 from occurring in the state. The new rule would have also banned merit-based championship sites, such as baseball regionals, softball regionals, women's basketball tournament games and tennis tournament games. Ole Miss hosted both baseball and softball regionals in 2019. Mississippi State hosted a baseball regional, men's tennis tournament games and women's basketball tournament games in 2019.

Also on June 19, the leaders of the eight public universities in Mississippi (Alcorn State University, Delta State University, Jackson State University, Mississippi State University, Mississippi University for Women, Mississippi Valley State University, University of Mississippi and University of Southern Mississippi) issued a joint statement calling for a new state flag. On June 22, Conference USA banned all postseason play in Mississippi until the removal of the Confederate emblem from the state flag. Conference USA is home to the state's third largest university, Southern Miss, and has hosted its annual baseball tournament in Mississippi for eight of the past nine years. On June 23, presidents of the fifteen community colleges in Mississippi issued a joint statement showing their support for a new flag.

The Mississippi Baptist Convention condemned the former state flag on June 23, 2020. In a statement, Baptist leaders said: "The racial overtones of the flag's appearance make this discussion a moral issue. Since the principal teachings of Scripture are opposed to racism, a stand against such is a matter of biblical morality." Walmart announced that it would cease displaying the state flag at its 85 Mississippi store locations on June 23, 2020. The retailer normally displays the applicable state flag alongside the U.S. national flag at its locations in the U.S.

2020 Legislative action
On June 24, 2020, Lieutenant Governor Delbert Hosemann announced his support for a new flag. Hosemann was joined by Attorney General Lynn Fitch, State Auditor Shad White, Agriculture Commissioner Andy Gipson and Insurance Commissioner Mike Chaney. On June 27, 2020, the Mississippi Legislature passed a resolution, House Concurrent Resolution 79, that suspended rules in the legislative chambers in order to debate and vote on a bill to remove and replace the state flag. The motion passed  the House on an 85–34 vote and the Senate on a 36–14 vote.

At that time, there was no consensus on the method of changing the flag, whether it be retiring the current flag or immediately adopting another. A proposal floated by several members of the Legislature was to create a new Mississippi flag. This flag, with a yet-to-be-determined design that did not include any Confederate images, would be used alongside the current flag. This plan was soundly rejected by Governor Tate Reeves who said it would not "satisfy either side of this debate" and compared it to the separate but equal doctrine.

On June 28, 2020, the Legislature passed a bill, House Bill 1796, that would relinquish the state flag, remove the state flag from public buildings within 15 days of the bill's effective date, and constitute a nine-member commission to design a new flag that would be put to voters in a referendum to be held in November 2020. The bill required that the Confederate battle flag not be included on the proposed design, and the motto "In God We Trust" be included, as Georgia did when it removed the Confederate emblem from its state flag in 2003. In the House, the bill was passed by 91 in favor and 23 against. In the Senate, the bill was passed with 37 in favor and 14 against.

Earlier that weekend, Governor Reeves had stated that he would sign any flag bill passed that weekend by the Legislature into law. Subsequently, after the Legislature passed the bill, a spokesperson for the governor indicated that he would sign, and Reeves did so on June 30, 2020. As the legislation repealed the sections of the Mississippi State Code which made provisions for a state flag, namely Section 3-3-16, Mississippi ceased once again to have an official state flag at this point.

2020 referendum
Under the terms of House Bill 1796 (approved by the governor on June 30, 2020), a body known as the commission to Redesign the Mississippi State Flag would be constituted to suggest a design for a new state flag no later than September 14, 2020. The bill instructed the Mississippi Department of Archives and History to develop a plan for the removal of the 1894 flag from public buildings across the state and provide administrative support for the commission. The act stipulated that any design proposed by the commission must include the words "In God We Trust" and must not contain the Confederate battle flag. The proposed design would then be subject to a referendum to be held concurrently with the general election on November 3, 2020.

The Mississippi Department of Archives and History invited the public to submit designs for a new state flag on July 13. In accordance with the rules imposed by House Bill 1796, designs would only be accepted if they contained the words "In God We Trust" and not include the Confederate battle flag. The commission also added that suggestions would need to be unique and adhere to principles of the North American Vexillological Association: that the design should use only two or three basic colors, be simple enough for a child to draw, and have meaningful symbolism.

More than 2000 submissions meeting the legislative criteria were received and displayed on the Mississippi Department of Archives and History website. Each of the 9 commission members picked 25 flags, narrowing the list down to 147. While a modified Hospitality flag did not proceed beyond the first round, a similar-looking "Mosquito flag" briefly did, apparently due to a commissioner's typographical error. At an August 14 meeting, the commission announced that they had selected nine finalists. These finalists, depicting various elements including a representation of the Mississippi River, magnolias, and stars composed of diamonds significant to the Choctaw nation, had either red, white, and blue or green and white color schemes. The commission announced that they would narrow these designs down to five finalists at its next meeting on August 18. Five finalists were published on August 18, and this was reduced to two flags on August 25.

The final two flags were the "Great River Flag" designed by Micah Whitson and "The New Magnolia" designed by Rocky Vaughan, Sue Anna Joe, Kara Giles and Dominique Pugh. On September 2, the commission voted 8–1 to put the New Magnolia flag on the November ballot. Slight modifications were made to the original design, including making the text bolder and the red and gold bars thicker. The flag is officially referred to as the "In God We Trust Flag". Rocky Vaughan is credited with designing the flag's overall layout, with design support provided by Sue Anna Joe, Kara Giles and Dominique Pugh (who created the magnolia illustration featured in the center). Micah Whitson was also given credit for the appearance of the Native American star. The flag was approved by 73% of the votes cast in a referendum on November 3, 2020. The flag was passed by the Mississippi State House of Representatives on January 5, 2021, and was passed by the State Senate on January 6, 2021. It officially became the state flag after being signed by the state's Governor on January 11, 2021.

According to the Mississippi Department of Archives and History,

"The New Magnolia flag is anchored in the center field by a clean and modern Magnolia blossom, a symbol long-used to represent our state and the hospitality of our citizens. The New Magnolia also represents Mississippi's sense of hope and rebirth, as the Magnolia often blooms more than once and has a long blooming season. The New Magnolia is sleek and updated to represent the forward progression of Mississippi. The circle of twenty stars represents Mississippi as the twentieth state of the United States of America and is anchored by the gold five-point star, which stands alone. This star represents our first peoples, the indigenous Native American tribes of the land that would become Mississippi. The color blue in the main field of the flag echoes the blue of the American flag, representing vigilance, justice, perseverance, while the bands of red represent hardiness and valor. The gold lines and the gold stamen of the New Magnolia are a nod to the rich cultural history of Mississippi, specifically the visual arts, literature, music, and performing arts to originate in our state."

After the 2020 referendum
Let Mississippi Vote is a group that is attempting another referendum on a choice of four flag designs: the Magnolia flag that was adopted in the November 2020 referendum, the flag that it replaced, the Stennis version, and the Bicentennial flag. Their stated aim is to give Mississippians a choice instead of voting on only one flag. The group reached their goal of 5000 volunteers and has sent wording for their referendum to the Mississippi Attorney General's Office for approval. They needed 106,190 valid signatures from Mississippi residents for the initiative to be placed on a ballot no earlier than 2023.

The number of valid signatures was specified by a 1992 amendment to the Mississippi Constitution when the state had five congressional districts, and written as 12% of the total votes cast for governor in the election preceding the filing of the ballot initiative, with no more than 20% of those signatures coming from a single congressional district. However, as a result of redistricting after the 2000 U.S. census, Mississippi was reduced to four congressional districts. In an unrelated case involving a medical marijuana initiative that had been certified for the ballot and then approved by Mississippi voters in 2020, the Mississippi Supreme Court overturned the initiative and said that the ballot requirements "cannot work in a world where Mississippi has fewer than five representatives in Congress". Although Let Mississippi Vote continues to collect signatures, the court decision has so far not yet been addressed by the legislature, for example by further amending the Mississippi Constitution.

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Alexei Nemov

Alexei Yurievich Nemov (Алексей Юрьевич Немов; born 28 May 1976 in Barashevo, Mordovia) is a former artistic gymnast from Russia. During his career, he won five world championships, three European championships and twelve Olympic medals.

Early life
Alexei Nemov grew up in Tolyatti on the Volga River. His father left him and his mother when Nemov was just a baby, and Nemov has never seen him since. Alexei started gymnastics at age five.

Gymnastics career
Nemov made his debut at the 1993 World Championships at the age of sixteen, placing fifth in the floor event. The following year, he stamped himself as a true all-around contender, winning his qualifying session at the Worlds. He later faltered and dropped to twelfth overall. He won his first major all-around title at the Goodwill Games in Saint-Petersburg, beating his second-place teammate and World Silver Medalist Aleksei Voropaev by over one point. Nemov's style of gymnastics was considered very well-rounded; he had complex acrobatics, a unique style, and elegance when he performed.

Despite his initial promising success internationally, by 1995 Nemov had gained a reputation for having inconsistent performances. In the all-around at the 1995 European Cup, Nemov, then 19, was the leader after five events and had put up the high score on three events. When he came to high bar, he only needed an 8.75 to win the title. He missed his two major release moves and crashed into the bar on another, botched a required element, and stopped in the middle of his routine. He scored a 7.35 and dropped to ninth overall.

A few months later, Nemov competed in the World Championships in Sabae, Japan. The Russian team had an extremely poor showing during the qualifying round, finishing in 11th place, with Nemov in 96th position all-around. The team rebounded in the finals to finish 4th overall (still a disappointment since it marked the first time in decades that the Russians failed to medal in the team competition), while Nemov put up the highest optional score of all the competitors. His compulsory round ranking prevented him from qualifying to the all-around finals, however.

At the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta, Nemov seemed poised to win the gold. Nemov won six medals (two gold, one silver, and three bronze). He performed solidly in the all-around, battling World Champion Li Xiaoshuang every step of the way. Nemov ruined his chances for gold, however, when he botched his middle tumbling run in the final event, finishing second by a narrow margin.

While many questioned Nemov's dedication and fitness level, he continued to excel. Several shoulder injuries, as well as his marriage and the birth of his first son, along with perceived inconsistencies in character were cited as evidence of weak gymnastics prior to the 2000 Sydney Olympics. This led to increased concerns about Aleksei's lack of a major title. However, as a high-performance athlete, Nemov went into the 2000 Olympics in the best shape of his life – having never seen his newborn son (born in September 2000), and was able to take home to his son what he called a golden rattle, in reality an all-around gold medal. Except for still rings, he had won at least one Olympic medal in every other discipline of men's gymnastics by the end of the Sydney games.

2004 Olympics controversy and rule change
Although injury took its toll, Nemov competed through to the 2004 Athens Olympics, mainly as an anchor for the fledgling Russian team. Though unable to defend his all-around title, Nemov's performances brought the house down on high bar in Athens and placed him in the middle of a judging controversy. After performing a routine with six release skills in the high bar event final (including four in a row – three variations of Tkatchev releases and a Gienger), the judges posted a score of 9.725, placing him in third position with several athletes still to compete. This was actually a fair judging decision because he took a big step on landing which was a two tenths deduction. The crowd became unruly on seeing the results and interrupted the competition for almost fifteen minutes. Influenced by the crowd's fierce reaction, the judges reevaluated the routine and increased Nemov's score to 9.762, but this did not improve his placement and he finished without a medal.

He won Fair Play Award in 2005 by International Fair Play Committee for his action.

This scandal was just the latest of several judging disputes in the competition, such as the scoring controversy involving Korean gymnast Yang Tae-Young, and prompted a major reconstruction of the gymnastics scoring system, which was implemented in 2006. The rule changes are credited as having encouraged more acrobatic activity and increasing difficulties on the high bar apparatus seen in later competitions. The Russian Olympic Committee later awarded Nemov $40,000 in recognition of his character, and he retired from gymnastics soon after.

Personal life
Nemov currently lives in his hometown of Tolyatti with his wife Galina and his son Alexei (born 2000) and his other son Dima (born 2009).

In 2022, after the International Gymnastics Federation opened a disciplinary case against Ivan Kuliak for wearing the military symbol "Z" (used by Russian invading forces in Ukraine) at an international gymnastics medal ceremony, Nemov expressed support for him, saying that Kuliak had been "provoked" and that his actions showed "courage".

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Pope John Paul II
Since the death of our Holy Father, John Paul II, was a large scale EVENT, I believe that his death deserves to be placed under the events. Please respect our Holy Father. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smarticle07 (talk • contribs)

 * The death was not the result of an assassination. It was not unexpected.  It did not change the world.  It is a death and not an event.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 22:26, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Let us please have a two way conversation on this topic before adding the item back. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 22:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I would have to agree with Mufka here - there's no reason to duplicate this one death in two sections. If we do that for one death, who is to decide which others should also be included?  I don't disagree or dispute that the death of John Paul II was a major event, but, as Mufka points out, there was nothing particularly notable about it, other than the prominence of the person who died.  That's enough to qualify it for listing in the "Deaths" section, for sure, but not reason enough to duplicate it in "Events". —Krellis (Talk) 22:50, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

John Paul II was probably the greatest Pontiff of the 20th century. His death was very important! it marked a turning point for the church. when i looked at the april 2 page i was appalled and called my uncle (priest). he was very upset too. its not hurting you so just leave it. please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.120.24.155 (talk) 00:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

 * If you would like to discuss it, it would be wise to begin and engage in discussion before simply adding the item back in because without discussion it will very likely be removed. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 00:51, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

so are we gonna leave it on there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.120.10.118 (talk • contribs)
 * No. Krellis summed it up pretty well.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 15:30, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

The Holy Father's death was a major world EVENT. there are over 1.1 billion catholics in the world and i'm sure everyone of us saw it as a major world EVENT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.120.47.151 (talk) 23:30, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

It was a major, but standard, expected event. He lived significantly longer than expected, and died of natural causes. Popes usually remain in office until they die. Whilst it was a major event in much of the world, it wasn't a major event in all of the world. It would have hardly been mentioned in Iran or North Korea. If his death is included in Events, then where would the line be drawn? Previous popes and leaders of other religions would have to be included on relevant Day articles. Then, deaths of important people from other fields, such as US Presidents Ford and Reagan would be argued for inclusion in the Events section, as would actors such as Patrick Swayze as he had an international audience of many millions. Jim Michael (talk) 22:19, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Ponce de Leon
I'm no historian, so I'm not going to change this since I don't know the facts, but there should be some sort of consistency here. This list of events states that "Juan Ponce de Leon sets foot on, and names, Florida" on this date in 1513. However, the article on Ponce de Leon says that his "fleet crossed open water until April 2, 1513, when they sighted land" and on "the following day they came ashore to seek information". This means he actually set foot on Florida on April 3rd, not April 2nd. Please either fix this list of events, or fix the article on Ponce de Leon... They can't both be correct. BucsWeb (talk) 14:17, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Rakesh Sharma
According to the article on Rakesh Sharma as well as the article on Soyuz T-11, the launch date of the space mission was given as 03-Apr-1984.

If yes then the 1984 entry on this page should be moved to the 03 April article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.188.134 (talk) 22:57, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

International Children's Book Day
seems to be sponsored by a private industry organization. should it be here? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 13:44, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2019
1991 - 4 anticommunist protesters shot and killed by police during the communist regime in Shkoder, Albania 217.110.47.170 (talk) 14:55, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

 * To what article would this be linked to? Here are some sources for it:, just wondering if we have an article about these protests. – Þjarkur (talk) 15:27, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: no target article identified. Please re-open this request (by changing "|answered=yes" to "|answered=no") if an appropriate article is found. NiciVampireHeart 19:07, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Adding b. Charlemagne
it seems to me that his birth should be part of the On this Day box. He is probably the most notable person born on the day. Muflih al-Turki is from the same era, but was less important in history, being only an officer and not an emperor. Thoughts? RedOak350 (talk) 18:52, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

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Error? (moved from (Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/April 3)
Whoa... for April 3 it has "1968 - Elvis Presley sings "Heartbreak Hotel" on the Milton Berle Show, with an estimated 25% of the United States population viewing." That can't be right. I'm pretty sure that Elvis made his comback special in 1968; it couldn't have anything do with Milton Berle, whose show ended long before 1968. Maybe the person means 1958? And Ed Sullivan? (posted by User:24.218.204.31 at 06:35 UTC, 2005 September 22.)

Kamen Rider premier
The following entry under the "Events" header was twice removed: "1971 - Japanese tokusatsu television series Kamen Rider premieres at 7:00 AM, marking the beginning of the long-running Kamen Rider franchise." Now, based on my reading of this, there is a general agreement that the initial broadcast of television programmes, the release of films, albums, video games, etc. should not be included on these pages. The given reasoning (that these events are not "globally important") is very weak, however; it is demonstrably untrue in many cases, and, in addition, is true of numerous other events that remain on the page.

Beyond this more general issue, however, I must take issue with the removal of this event specifically. As my edit clearly indicated, the premier of Kamen Rider was the beginning of an entire franchise of television programmes and theatrical films that continues to this day, and is one of the most popular and well-known in Japan. If that isn't enough to convince you, then I will note that the programmes have been aired in Brazil, France, and the United States, the original series lasted an unheard of (at the time) three years (150+ episodes), as well as being adapted into three theatrical films. Beyond that, there has been a new programme produced virtually every year since the original, as well as multiple television specials and straight-to-video films during the times when a new series wasn't produced. Essentially, the franchise has been a more-or-less constant premise since the premier.

Please note that I completely understand the aversion to television and film releases, as these are usually insignificant. However, I think that there are exceptions to this rule, and that removing these things wholesale without proper research (even, seemingly, reading the Wikipedia article) and consideration is unproductive.

Thank you for taking the time to reading this. --SB | T 23:59, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Star Trek is a bigger franchise, and it isn't listed in date articles, either. . Star Trek's cultural footprint is huge - with thousands of Wikipedia articles linking to the main Star Trek article.  Here's another example, The Beatles have over 5,000 cross-links.  In order to argue that a franchise beginning rates mention in a date article, it really should have a big cultural footprint.  You've mentioned movies, and a couple of countries, but what's the actual impact?  How does Kamen Rider compare?  After checking "What links here", we can see that Kamen Rider has as about many cross-links as Elmo.  And that's just not a big enough foot print.  With Elmo as the standard, date articles would be flooded with such "events" and rendered nearly useless.  There is talk of setting up additional types of date articles to cover entertainment, weddings, etc.  So don't give up hope.  Rklawton 00:02, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The only thing the 'what links here" data indicates is that Wikipedia is lacking in coverage of Kamen Rider, which is something I already knew and am attempting to rectify. Please provide valid reasoning that actually make sense.--SB | T 17:23, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd like to mention that the number of cross-links of an article does not provide credence to the cultural impact of something. It's evident, to me at least, that Kamen Rider has had something like the impact of Star Trek, albiet not in the United States.  Bastique ▼ parler voir 17:31, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

What do you propose to use as a measure of impact? Rklawton 23:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think, frankly, to continue to reject pure nonsense or complete non-notable events, and judge the remainder on a case-by-case basis, then everything will be all right. That's the way it's been done, correct?
 * I don't question your judgment Rklawton, you are a valuable contributor. I simply believe that leaving this item off may not adequately reflect a worldview.  Bastique ▼ parler voir 21:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your concerns regarding world view. I used Google to support my conclusions.  Unless there's something self-selecting about this particular fan-base that would preclude them from mentioning Kamen Rider on the web, then it's a reasonable measure.  Of course, I've overlooked an important aspect.  I've only searched on "Kamen Rider."  Are there other permutations or character sets that should be included?  After all, if this is a Japanese phenom, then it seems appropriate to search using the various Japanese character sets as well.  Rklawton 21:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I just checked "仮面ライダ" (from the article page) on Google and came up with only 86,000 hits. However, I think "Masked Rider" translates as "仮面".  This returned 7 million hits.  "Star Trek" returns 47 million hits - illustrating my point about footprint.  If you can recommend a different search, that would be useful.  Rklawton 21:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I actually watched this show when I was a kid growing up on the other side of the planet in the 1970s where it was and still is known as 幪面超人. It's very notable. 星空奇遇 (Star Trek) was not as popular back then. Both shows were dubbed in Chinese, in case anyone is wondering. I support the inclusion of the premiere in the events list, and even as a Selected Anniversary on MainPage, as long as the date & time is verifiable. -- PFHLai 04:57, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

BTW, language aside, I don't think checking the internet is that useful to determine the notability of things most popular before the internet age. The first 2 waves of 幪面超人-mania in the Far East (at least in Hong Kong & Taiwan) took place in the 70s and 80s (no internet), roughly the time between when Captain Kirk left and Captain Picard appeared on TV screens. Star Trek then kept going strong, with subsequent spin-offs and movies coming on as the internet grew. This may explain the big difference in Google counts. The numbers would be quite different if people were able to build websites and blogs in the 70s. -- PFHLai 06:53, 10 August 2006 (UTC) [P.S. Thanks for bringing back some interesting childhood memories. :-) ]
 * So the show was greatly popular during its run - in one country - and had minimal lasting impact afterwards. It sounds like you've got the makings for a great article, but not for any entry of events with a global historical magnitude.  Rklawton 14:32, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Rklawton, I hope this is just a careless mistake. But to lump China and Japan as one country (Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere???) is rather offensive. I'll apply WP:AGF, as I'm sure you didn't mean it.
 * I was refering only to Japan. Rklawton 19:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * While I was referring to Hong Kong and Taiwan, i.e. China. -- PFHLai 20:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I can't say much about things after the 80s, as I've moved to the other side of the planet. But I'd say 幪面超人 is still a East Asian cultural phenomenon. (Ditto for Ultraman.) It's not Godzilla, but it's high up there in terms of notability.
 * Furthermore, please consider regional historical magnitude, instead of global. Back then, things didn't spread that widely. While the event lists are often loaded with non-notable items that deserve to be trimmed off, let's not over-do it with the trimming. The first appearance of 幪面超人 is a worthy item for the events list. --PFHLai 19:20, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * If you'll read the date articles' project page, you'll see we're trying to limit events to those of global significance. Rklawton 19:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I know. I'm saying, in this case, you are cutting too much. -- PFHLai 20:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC) Especially with the first issue of the TV Guide still on the list. Who outside USA & Canada would read it ? -- PFHLai 21:02, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The TV Guide is still there, so I've returned Kamen Rider to the list. --PFHLai 14:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

On a different note, I'm a big fan of Ultra Man, Godzilla, and Johnny Sokko and his Flying Robot. My poor parents had to contend with a kid who thought stomping on his toys was all part of the fun. I doubt they ever understood. They never ever considered helping me build a model train set. Just as well, I suppose. It wouldn't have lasted. I finally did learn how to fly, though. Rklawton 19:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Good for you. :-) BTW, I was never a fan of 幪面超人. But I have childhood friends who would jump off their bicycle, pretending to be 幪面超人 flying off his motorcycle. --PFHLai 20:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Jesus
Can we get a source cited for the death of Jesus Christ being dated at April 3, 33? 66.17.118.195 18:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * See Chronology of Jesus. April 3, 33 is just one of several possibilities. --199.71.174.100 20:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The webpage has been updated since 2007. This is because according to the 2011 book by Colin Humphreys, April 3 in AD 33 is the only possible crucifixion date compatible with all four gospels. Previously, AD30 (April 7) and AD33 (April 3) had both been frontrunners among scholars, based on Isaac Newton's method, developed in 1733, of calculating the Jewish Passovers during Pontius Pilate's time. Newton was a smart guy, but did not have access to supercomputers, which have allowed the modern calculations. Hence I suggest implementing the modern scholarly date of April 3, AD33. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.101.95 (talk) 05:26, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Binghamton shootings
The Binghamton shootings, while newsworthy, cannot at this point be considered long-term globally notable events per WP:DOY. They fall under similar classification as most school shootings and should not be listed on this date page. If they turn out to have a widespread impact in a legal or cultural area, then we can begin to debate their notability for inclusion. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 16:22, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Birthday error? Mick Mars
Mick Mars is shown as birthday celebrant for April 3. However, his page lists his birth date as May 4, 1951. One of these is obviously incorrect???? Gaiamei (talk) 18:16, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Ice Cream Sundae invented
3rd April 1892: Ice Cream Sundae invented. The world-famous dessert, which is made using a combination of ice cream and syrup, was invented in 1892 by New York soda fountain proprietor Chester Platt. http://www.metro.co.uk/news/859828-google-doodle-celebrates-ice-cream-sundae-anniversary

birth year error
the birth year of Jaya Prada,indian actor is 1962. please change the year.Kvr.lohith (talk) 16:27, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Date of death of Jesus
Query to RMs125a in particular:

I have tried adding the calculated crucifixion date of Jesus as follows:

 * 33 Possible date of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ of Nazareth (born circa 4 BC). The other possible date also supported by scholarly consensus among a survey of 100 published scholarly biblical statements is April 7 AD 30.

You have reverted my edit with the mysterious reason that it is "conjecture" and "speculation", and point to a Wikipedia link, but the Wiki link you provide does not work. So please explain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.101.95 (talk) 14:38, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

 * The point is that I understand you are editing in good faith but additions to DOY (days of the year) pages cannot have external links. That is why I suggested you include your sourced text in an appropriate standalone article (or articles) instead (i.e. Christ, etc). Quis separabit?  16:58, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

 * "You have reverted my edit with the mysterious reason that it is "conjecture" and "speculation" -- there is nothing mysterious at all about that -- by your own word it is only "possible" -- which therefore makes it speculative, and thus ineligible for inclusion on DOY (days of the year) pages and, if included in standalone articles, must be reliably sourced. The sourcing appears to be reliable, and, again, no one is questioning your good faith, so I see no problem including the text in a directly related standalone article, as pointed out above. Quis separabit?  16:58, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

 * Thanks for answering Quis separavit. RMS125a seems to be offline, or on sleep duty. Yes, April 3 and April 7 are the two possible dates, with the former now receiving additional astronomical support, and the later being astronomically excluded, but nevertheless widely cited. Please let me know the Wikipedia guideline for such a situation - it is not mentioned on the DOY link you provide, as far as I can see. Imagine a similar situation where a famous mountaineer is killed while climbing Mount Everest, and his body is found later and his death is presumed to be April 3 or April 4, judging by his last diary entries. So does that mean a famous person like this imaginary mountaineer, with two widely cited death dates, cannot be mentioned in the Wiki DOY pages? If so, then you need to remove the Jesus date, but first you need to rewrite the DOY guidelines accordingly.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.101.95 (talk) 17:25, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
 * "Quis separabit" is the signature of RMS125a. Just so you know. -- The Voidwalker  Discuss 22:23, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Amccann421 contradicts other editors regarding refs
Amccann421 accuses me of edit-warring, saying "Please do not add or change content, as you did at April 3, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article."

However the other editors have pointed out today to me that in fact it is NOT permitted to cite references/sources in April 3 or in any other Date-of-Year pages. Hence I removed my references. Unfortunately, now Amccann421 has appeared on the scene and is criticising me for removing the refs and accusing me of edit warring. Please confirm, on the April 3 Talk page, that you have got it wrong. And please do not further disrupt the discussion and editing process unless you have a valid point to make. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.101.95 (talk) 20:17, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Where did this come from, what are sources, and where are the links to back it up?
2018 – An attempt to create Punish a Muslim Day on April 3rd

No links to show it actually happened. No sources, no nothing. This seems very inflammatory to me, especially without anything to back it up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:A9B0:5270:83E:9A0D:9ED3:A559 (talk) 06:12, 3 April 2018 (UTC) I just tried to remove this "item", but it is not listed under the edit page. Hopefully this has already been removed or somebody will remove it shortly since I was unable to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:A9B0:5270:83E:9A0D:9ED3:A559 (talk) 06:16, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Is https://www.onthisday.com/ a reliable source
I want to add some dates, but I want to check if this is a reliable source first. Can someone please check? Rzzor (talk) 19:52, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know myself, by you might reach a broader audience by asking on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Days of the year page. Kiwipete (talk) 06:53, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Esther Hobart Morris
Esther Hobart Morris is listed in the deaths section, but the main article says she died on April 2. JezGrove (talk) 10:03, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

 * @JezGrove - can you find a reliable source for this? There are two citations in the article, but one is a book and the other is a paywalled New York Times obituary. Kiwipete (talk) 06:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * There's an archived copy of the NYT obituary here.: JezGrove (talk) 10:45, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Sonya Werley's birthday
no link or reference. Probably spam 209.128.15.129 (talk) 14:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

title: Talk:April 3


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Talk:April 5

Messmer
Pierre Messmer *20.03.1916 - Prime Minister 07.07.1972 / 28.05.1974 ???? -- Robodoc.at 16:34, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

?
Question the André Augestad entry. No Google matches. Causeur doesn't translate either; There is exactly one occurrence of the word in wikipedia, so it is easy to guess the meaning from the context, as conversationalist who sparks lively discussion; but there is nothing explicit about the word, currently. Ancheta Wis 09:39, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

--69.70.21.10 18:17, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Unknown character defined as "Max or Maximillian Button" keeps spamming. Please stop him and ban IP if he comes back.

Star Trek
While perhaps its importance may be disputed, April 5, 2063 is the date of First Contact in Star Trek. Interesting bits of trivia are some of the best things you find in encyclopediae, and this entry's not exactly stimulating anyway. Just a thought. ;) 68.102.179.135 02:29, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Day articles are about real events, not details of sci-fi programmes or films. Jim Michael (talk) 03:40, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

TV show entry - not significant
I welcome your thoughts on the following. I removed this entry as not significant: "*2001 - Lisa Fowler was revealed as the would be assassin in the EastEnders storyline Who Shot Phil". I do not believe fictional details of plot lines from TV shows is notable for the events section. Any thoughts? Thanks, Hu Gadarn 15:48, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree, and I'd like to say the same for 2007's entry. Besides not being very important, as of this writing, it hasn't even happened yet... Ravenwolf Zero 22:39, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Birth: 1992 - David Crowley, NBA hall of famer
Ok, I'm European and know nothing about NBA, but David Crowley doesn't look 15.. and a 15-year old in the hall of fame sounds strange to me... --130.89.189.208 23:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Actually, I can't find anything at all about his being in the NBA. I also can't find anything about his year of birth. I suggest either that somebody fix this link or that it be removed. Williw 00:50, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Tax year
Could anybody tell me why my note that 5th April is the start of the tax year in the UK has been removed? It's pretty important, I would've thought?....Martyn Smith (talk) 20:49, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * There are three reasons that your entry was removed. The first is that it did not link to a supporting article.  Second, it was created under a new heading and new headings must be discussed before they are added.  Third is that (since it wasn't linked) it was impossible to discern from the listing that it was a date of significance to everyone in the UK.  Does the average person mark it on their calendar?  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 20:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Good Friday
I believe I read somewhere that the death-date of Jesus, the true Good Friday, could be calculated by quite a few factors from the Bible, including a lunar eclipse, to have been on April 5, 33. I believe this would be in the Gregorian calendar. It would be nice to create at least a note on the page about that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elium2 (talk • contribs) 13:26, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Oops, it looks like I forgot to sign. Oh well. Elium2 (talk) 13:28, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

You are close on this, but looking at the calendar for 33 comes up with a date of Good Friday to be on Friday, April 3 (Julian calendar), which would be April 1st in the Gregorian calendar (not existing at that time). April 5, 33 would have been Easter. 99.107.199.30 (talk) 20:06, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Salt March
the event 1930 – Mahatma Gandhi ends a 241 mile march to Dandi in the Salt Satyagraha. is on march 6.please delete this event and add this on march 6.Kvr.lohith (talk) 10:39, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Anti War Demos
OK, the page states that anti-war demonstrations took place in ‘many US cities’.

Unfortunately, the link to the ‘Opposition to US involvement in the Vietnam War’ article doesn’t mention this in it’s timeline: indeed, it only mentions a demo, the day afterwards.

Can we get some sort of clean up on that, please?

Thanks!

Cuddy2977 (talk) 17:12, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

UK tax year
Reviving the proposal (apparently last discussed inconclusively in 2008) that there should be some mention on this page of the UK tax year. Strictly speaking, 5 April is not the start but the end of the tax year (i.e. the year runs 6 April to 5 April). However, owing to an arcane legal usage that "from" means "from the end of", 5 April is the date by which it's always colloquially known, and tax documentation consistently refers to income received "in the year ending 5 April 2021" (or whatever). There is a detailed discussion and explanation of the background at History of taxation in the United Kingdom. There's a brief entry for the tax year under April 6, linking to Fiscal year, but in my opinion there should be one here as well. In reply to Mufka's question from 2008, "Does the average person mark it on their calendar?", the answer is probably no: but it's a date that anyone who is self-employed, or who has to complete a tax return for other reasons, is acutely aware of. It would require a new section, presumably "Other". GrindtXX (talk) 18:20, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

No objections or comments, so I've added it. GrindtXX (talk) 00:01, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Racehorse
There should also be some mention on this page of April the Fifth, a famous British racehorse – either in an "Other" section, or in the form of a hatnote. GrindtXX (talk) 18:23, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

No objections or comments, so I've added it. GrindtXX (talk) 00:01, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

St Juliana of Liege (in Holidays and observances)
she died on Apr 5 but all the sources show her feast day as April 6 --142.163.194.25 (talk) 15:13, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Deletion of contribution
Hello all.

I recently had one of my contributions on this page (1965 – Seventeen people die and 217 are injured in an earthquake in the Peloponnese, Greece.) deleted by @Kiwipete on the grounds that the event itself (i.e. the death of these people) should have been an article in Wikipedia as per the new rules.

After a brief talk of this user's talk page, the rest of my replies have been deleted and I find that I can no reply on their talk page. So, I offer my suggestions here, hoping that my query is finally explained.

As mentioned in the user's talk page, there are other new contributions that simply don't follow this rule. Some examples from the same article: - 1614 – In Virginia, Native American Pocahontas marries English colonist John Rolfe. (the wedding itself is not a Wikipedia entry) - 1621 – The Mayflower sets sail from Plymouth, Massachusetts on a return trip to England. (the fact itself of the boat setting sail is not a Wikipedia entry) 1792 – United States President George Washington exercises his authority to veto a bill, the first time this power is used in the United States. (this particular veto itself is nota Wikipedia entry)

Could, someone, please explain on what grounds my original contribution is not as valid as the ones mentioned here? (Please, note that my contribution did include a valid reference.) Your help would be much appreciated, as I plan to contribute regularly and I'd like to do this properly!

Thank you very much in advance! Avacalop (talk) 06:21, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

 * The full discussion between myself and Avacalop hasn't been deleted - it can be viewed here: User talk:Kiwipete/Archive_1. Kiwipete (talk) 10:08, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello @Kiwipete.

 * I went through the new rules again and saw that:
 * -The births and deaths listed on this page are only for people for whom there is a Wikipedia article (no red links and no redirects). Please do not add yourself (unless there is a Wikipedia article about you), or anyone without a Wikipedia article. Any entry added for anyone without an article will be deleted.
 * -The events listed on this page should be notable in that society and for some reasonable amount of time. Further guidelines for what should and should not be included are provided at Wikipedia:Days of the year. Events not meeting these guidelines will be removed.
 * Can you please direct me to the rule that all events mentioned should also be articles themselves? Your help would be much appreciated, I would genuinly like to know! And, of course, please go ahrad and delete my contribution, but first, please, please, please, point me to this rule. Avacalop (talk) 15:43, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I have now revised my contribution, which I find compliant with the above rules. If not, please direct me to the specific rule that is violated. I hope you feel the same. Thank you so much in advance! Avacalop (talk) 16:00, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I have reverted your edits as the links earthquake, Peloponnese and Greece do not mention the event which is a requirement as per WP:DOYSTYLE for any new additions to days of the year articles. An example of what is needed can be found at the 1936 entry which links 1936 Tupelo–Gainesville tornado outbreak although it was added before the sourcing rules changed and a reference has not yet been added You also added an unsourced entry into the deaths section which is also mentioned in the style guide. Suonii180 (talk) 08:58, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not getting involved in the debate as to whether or not this event meets WP:DOY or WP:DOYSTYLE criteria, but, for the record, this earthquake is noted at List of earthquakes in 1965, including the claim that 32 people were killed and 200 were injured (making it the 4th deadliest earthquake of the year), and a reliable source. GrindtXX (talk) 10:54, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

MJF DAY?
why is it not added 😂 81.98.250.230 (talk) 23:09, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

 * Because you have not provided a reliable source, and there is no mention of it in the article on Maxwell Jacob Friedman. GrindtXX (talk) 23:34, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:April 5


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International Churches of Christ

The International Churches of Christ (ICOC) is a body of decentralized, co-operating, religiously conservative and racially integrated Christian congregations. In March 2024, the ICOC numbered their members at 112,000. A formal break was made from the Churches of Christ in 1993 with the organization of the International Churches of Christ.

Former members of the church have alleged that it is a cult and have accused it, along with the International Christian Church, of covering up sexual abuse of children. Janja Lalich, an academic expert on cults and coercion, has stated that in her view, the ICOC has at minimum some of the "hallmarks of a cult". , some US branches of the church were the subject of multiple lawsuits.

Origins in the Stone-Campbell Movement

The ICOC has its roots in a movement that reaches back to the period of the Second Great Awakening (1790–1870) of early nineteenth-century America. Barton W. Stone and Alexander Campbell are credited with what is today known as the Stone-Campbell or Restoration Movement. There are a number of branches of the Restoration movement and the ICOC was formed from within the Churches of Christ. Specifically, it was born from a discipling movement that arose among the Churches of Christ during the 1970s. This discipling movement developed in the campus ministry of Chuck Lucas.

In 1967, Chuck Lucas was minister of the 14th Street Church of Christ in Gainesville, Florida (later renamed the Crossroads Church of Christ). That year he started a new project known as Campus Advance (based on principles borrowed from the Campus Crusade and the Shepherding Movement). Centered on the University of Florida, the program called for a strong evangelical outreach and an intimate religious atmosphere in the form of soul talks and ''prayer partners. Soul talks'' were held in student residences and involved prayer and sharing overseen by a leader who delegated authority over group members. Prayer partners  referred to the practice of pairing a new Christian with an older guide for personal assistance and direction. Both procedures led to "in-depth involvement of each member in one another's lives".

The ministry grew as younger members appreciated many of the new emphases on commitment and models for communal activity. This activity became identified by many with the forces of radical change in the larger American society that characterized the late sixties and seventies. The campus ministry in Gainesville thrived and sustained strong support from the elders of the local congregation in the 'Crossroads Church of Christ'. By 1971, as many as a hundred people a year were joining the church. Most notable was the development of a training program for potential campus ministers.

From Gainesville to Boston: 1970s–1980s
Among the early converts at Gainesville was a student named Kip McKean who had been personally mentored by Chuck Lucas. McKean was introduced to the Florida Church of Christ's controversial recruitment style in 1967. Born in Indianapolis, McKean completed a degree while training at Crossroads and afterward served as campus minister at several Churches of Christ locations. By 1979 his ministry grew from a few individuals to over three hundred making it the fastest growing Church of Christ campus ministry in America. McKean then moved to Massachusetts, where he took over the leadership of the Lexington Church of Christ (soon to be called the Boston Church of Christ). Building on Lucas' initial strategies, McKean only agreed to lead the church in Lexington as long as every member agreed to be 'totally committed'. The church grew from 30 members to 3,000 in just over 10 years in what became known as the 'Boston Movement'. McKean taught that the church was "God's true and only modern movement". According to journalist Madeleine Bower, "the group became renowned for its extreme views and rigid teaching of the Bible, but mainstream churches quickly disavowed the group".

David G. Bromley and J. Gordon Melton, sociologist and historian of religion respectively, note how International Churches of Christ grew quickly in the 1980s, but that "Even as ICOC developed, however, its relationships with several established institutional sectors deteriorated". The church's "doctrine signaled the movement's self-perceived superiority to other Christian churches in teaching that it alone had rediscovered biblical doctrines critical to individual salvation and insisting on rebaptizing new members to ensure their salvation". They note that further tensions developed as a result of the church's "aggressive evangelizing tactics" and use of 'discipling' or 'shepherding' practices, whereby new members were provided spiritual guidance and had their personal lives closely supervised by more established members. "Members were taught that commitment to the church superseded all other relationships", write Bromley and Melton. As a result, "the main branch of the Churches of Christ disavowed its relationship with ICOC; a number of universities banned ICOC recruiters; and ICOC became a prominent target of media and anticult group opposition".

In 1985 a Church of Christ minister and professor, Dr. Flavil Yeakley, administered the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator test to the Boston Church of Christ (BCC), the founding church of the ICOC. Yeakley passed out three MBTI tests, which asked members to perceive their past, current, and five-year in the future personality types. While over 900 members were tested, 835 individuals completed all three forms. A majority of those respondents changed their perceived or imagined personality type scores on the three tests in convergence with a single type. After completing the study, Yeakley observed that "The data in this study of the Boston Church of Christ does not prove that any certain individual has actually changed his or her personality in an unhealthy way. The data, however, does prove that there is a group dynamic operating in that congregation that influences its members to change their personalities to conform to the group norm". By the end of 1988 the churches in the Boston Movement were for all practical purposes a distinct fellowship, initiating a fifteen-year period during which there would be little contact between the CoC and the Boston Movement. By 1988, McKean was regarded as the leader of the movement. It was at this time that the Boston church initiated its program of outreach to the poor called HopeWorldwide. Also in 1988 McKean, finding that running the organization single-handedly had become unwieldy, selected a handful of men that he and Elena, his wife, had personally trained and named them World Sector Leaders. In 1989 mission teams were officially sent out to Tokyo, Honolulu, Washington, DC, Manila, Miami, Seattle, Bangkok, and Los Angeles. That year, McKean and his family moved to Los Angeles to lead the new church "planted" (a euphemism the church uses for "established") some months earlier. Within a few years Los Angeles, not Boston, was the fulcrum of the movement.

The ICOC: 1990s

In 1990 the Crossroads Church of Christ broke with the movement and, through a letter written to The Christian Chronicle, attempted to restore relations with the Churches of Christ. By the early 1990s some first-generation leaders had become disillusioned by the movement and left. The movement was first recognized as an independent religious group in 1992 when John Vaughn, a church growth specialist at Fuller Theological Seminary, listed them as a separate entity. TIME magazine ran a full-page story on the movement in 1992 calling them "one of the world's fastest-growing and most innovative bands of Bible thumpers" that had grown into "a global empire of 103 congregations from California to Cairo with total Sunday attendance of 50,000". A formal break was made from the Churches of Christ in 1993 when the group organized under the name "International Churches of Christ." This new designation formalized a division that was already in existence between those involved with the Crossroads/Boston Movement and "original" Churches of Christ. In September 1995, the Washington Post reported that for every three members joining the church, two left, attributing this statistic to church officials.

Growth in the ICOC was not without criticism. Other names that have been used for this movement include the "Crossroads movement," "Multiplying Ministries," and the "Discipling Movement". Since each city had a single church, its membership might be large and geographically disperse; if so, it was divided into regions and then sectors of perhaps a few small suburban communities. This governing system attracted criticism as overly-authoritarian, although the ICOC denied this charge. "It's not a dictatorship," said Al Baird, former ICOC spokesperson; "It's a theocracy, with God on top." The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported in 1996 that "The group is considered so aggressive and authoritarian in its practices that other evangelical Protestant groups have labeled it 'aberrational' and 'abusive'. It has been repudiated by the mainstream Churches of Christ, a 1.6 million-member body from which it grew".

Growth continued globally and in 1996 the independent organisation "Church Growth Today" named the Los Angeles ICOC as the fastest growing Church in North America for the second year running and another eight ICOC churches were in the top 100. By 1999, the Los Angeles church reached a Sunday attendance of 14,000. By 2001, the ICOC was an independent worldwide movement that had grown from a small congregation to 125,000 members and had planted a church in nearly every country of the world in a period of twenty years.

The ICOC: 2000s
Membership growth slowed during the later half of the 1990s. In 2000, the ICOC announced the completion of its six-year initiative to establish a church in every country with a city that had a population over 100,000. In spite of this, numerical growth continued to slow. Beginning in the late 1990s, problems arose as McKean's moral authority as the leader of the movement came into question. Expectations for continued numerical growth and the pressure to sacrifice financially to support missionary efforts took its toll. Added to this was the loss of local leaders to new planting projects. In some areas, decreases in membership began to occur. At the same time, realization was growing that the accumulated costs of McKean's leadership style and associated disadvantages were outweighing the benefits. In 2001, McKean's leadership weaknesses were affecting his family, with all of his children disassociating themselves from the church, and he was asked by a group of long-standing elders in the ICOC to take a sabbatical from overall leadership of the ICOC. On 12 November 2001, McKean, who had led the International Churches of Christ, issued a statement that he was going to take a sabbatical from his role of leadership in the church:

During these days Elena and I have been coming to grips with the need to address some serious shortcomings in our marriage and family. After much counsel with the Gempels and Bairds and other World Sector Leaders as well as hours of prayer, we have decided it is God's will for us to take a sabbatical and to delegate, for a time, our day-to-day ministry responsibilities so that we can focus on our marriage and family. Nearly a year later, in November 2002 he resigned from the office and personally apologized citing arrogance, anger and an over-focus on numerical goals as the source of his decision.

Referring to this event, McKean said:

This, along with my leadership sins of arrogance, and not protecting the weak caused uncertainty in my leadership.

The period following McKean's departure included a number of changes in the ICOC. Some changes were initiated from the leaders themselves and others brought through members. Most notable was Henry Kriete, a leader in the London ICOC, who circulated an open letter detailing his feelings about theological exclusivism and authority in the ICOC. This letter affected the ICOC for the decade after McKean's resignation.

Critics of the ICOC claim that Kip McKean's resignation sparked numerous problems. However, others have noted that since McKean's resignation the ICOC has made numerous changes. The Christian Chronicle, a newspaper for the Churches of Christ, reports that the ICOC has changed its leadership and discipling structure. According to the paper, "the ICOC has attempted to address the following concerns: a top down hierarchy, discipling techniques, and sectarianism". In the years following McKean's resignation, the central leadership was replaced with "the co-operation agreement" with over 90% of the churches affirming to this new system of global co-ordination.

Over time, McKean attempted to re-assert his leadership over the ICOC, yet was rebuffed. Sixty-four Elders, Evangelists and Teachers wrote a letter to McKean expressing concern that there had been "no repentance" from his publicly acknowledged leadership weaknesses. McKean then began to criticize some of the changes that were being made, as he did in the 1980s toward Mainline Churches of Christ. After attempting to divide the ICOC he was disfellowshipped in 2006 and founded a church that he called the International Christian Church.

Church governance

The International churches of Christ are a family of over 750 independent churches in 155 nations around the world. The 750 churches form 34 Regional Families of churches that oversee mission work in their respective geographic areas of influence. Each regional family of churches sends Evangelists, Elders and Teachers to an annual leadership conference, where delegates meet to pray, plan and co-operate world evangelism. Mike Taliaferro, from San Antonio Texas, says "The co-operation plan is a far better way of co-ordinating and unifying a church family of the size and global nature of the ICOC. No longer can one man make sweeping decisions that affect all the churches, considering that many of those churches he may never have visited. Building unity and consensus through prayer and discussion takes time but is worth it. The spiritual fruit of the Delegates Conference in Budapest is testimony to the success of this much less authoritarian approach to that which we had in the past." "Service Teams" provide global leadership and oversight. The Service Teams consists of an Elders, Evangelists, Teachers, Youth & Family, Campus, Singles, Communications & Administration, and HOPEww & Benevolence teams.

Ministry Training Academy
Since 2010, the education and ministerial training program in the ICOC is the Ministry Training Academy (MTA). The MTA consists of twelve core courses that are divided into three areas of study: biblical knowledge, spiritual development, and ministry leadership. Each course requires at least 12 hours of classroom study in addition to course work. An MTA student who completes the twelve core classes receives a certificate of completion.

ICOC's relationship with mainstream Churches of Christ
With the resignation of McKean, some efforts at reconciliation between the International Churches of Christ and the mainstream Churches of Christ are being made. In March 2004, Abilene Christian University held the "Faithful Conversations" dialog between members of the Churches of Christ and International Churches of Christ. Those involved were able to apologize and initiate an environment conducive to building bridges. A few leaders of the Churches of Christ apologized for use of the word "cult" in reference to the International Churches of Christ. The International Churches of Christ leaders apologized for alienating the Churches of Christ and implying they were not Christians. Despite improvements in relations, there are still fundamental differences within the fellowship. Early 2005 saw a second set of dialogues with greater promise for both sides helping one another.

Beliefs
The ICOC considers the Bible the inspired word of God. Through holding that their doctrine is based on the Bible alone, and not on creeds and traditions, they claim the distinction of being "non-denominational". Members of the International Churches of Christ generally emphasize their intent to simply be part of the original church established by Jesus Christ in his death, burial, and resurrection, which became evident on the Day of Pentecost as described in Acts 2. They believe that anyone who follows the plan of salvation as laid out in the scriptures is saved by the grace of God, through their faith in Jesus, at baptism. The ICOC has over 700 churches spread across 155 nations, with each church being a racially integrated congregation made up of a diversity of people from various age groups, economic, and social backgrounds. They believe Jesus came to break down the dividing wall of hostility between the races and people groups of this world and unite mankind under the Lordship of Christ (Ephesians 2:11–22).

Like the Churches of Christ, the ICOC recognizes the Bible as the sole source of authority for the church and it also believes that the current denominational divisions are inconsistent with Christ's intent, believing instead that Christians ought to be united. The ICOC, like the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), in contrast to the CoC, consider permissible practices that the New Testament does not expressly forbid.

The ICOC teaches that "anyone, anywhere who follows God's plan of salvation in the Bible and lives under the Lordship of Jesus, will be saved. Christians are saved by the grace of God, through their faith in Jesus Christ, at baptism." Scriptures used to support this view include Ephesians 2:10, Romans 3:22, Acts 2:38 and Matthew 28:18–20. They claim that "faith alone" (e.g., saying the Sinner's Prayer) is not sufficient unless an individual by faith obeys God and gets baptized, believing that baptism is necessary for the forgiveness of sins. This is based on James 2:14–26. The belief in the necessity of baptism is in agreement with the prevailing view in the Churches of Christ and Restoration Movement. It is in contrast with the beliefs of Baptist churches that teach that faith alone is adequate for salvation. For Baptists, baptism is an outward sign of a salvation that has already occurred by virtue of a person's faith.

One True Church (OTC) doctrine
Originally, the ICOC taught that only baptisms within ICOC member churches were legitimate and hence only members of ICOC churches had had their sins forgiven and were saved. This is known as the One True Church (OTC) doctrine.

In 2003, however, after the departure of McKean, the leadership of ICOC issued letters of apology stating that they had been "too judgmental" in applying this doctrine. As a consequence, many within ICOC began to accept that baptisms outside of ICOC churches, particularly those of family members who belonged to other Christian denominations, could be legitimate.

This is consistent with their historical roots in the Churches of Christ, which believe that Christ established only one church, and that the use of denominational creeds serves to foster division among Christians. This belief dates to the beginning of the Restoration Movement; Thomas Campbell expressed an ideal of unity in his Declaration and address: "The church of Jesus Christ on earth is essentially, intentionally, and constitutionally one."

Lifestyle beliefs
The ICOC is opposed to abortion, recreational drugs, and non-marital sexual relations. Homosexuals are welcome, but they must lead a life of chastity.

Sunday worship
A typical Sunday morning service involves singing, praying, preaching, and the sacrament of the Lord's Supper. An unusual element of ICOC tradition is the lack of established church buildings. Congregations meet in rented spaces: hotel conference rooms, schools, public auditoriums, conference centers, small stadiums, or rented halls, depending on the number of parishioners. Though the church is not static, neither is it ad hoc – the leased locale is converted into a worship facility. "From an organizational standpoint, it's a great idea", observes Boston University Chaplain Bob Thornburg. "They put very little money into buildings...You put your money into people who reach out to more people in order to help them become Christians."

This practice of not owning buildings changed when the Tokyo Church of Christ became the first ICOC church to build its own church building. This building was designed by the Japanese architect Fumihiko Maki. This became an example for other ICOC churches to follow.

One Year Challenge
To provide an international service opportunity for college-age students, the ICOC has a program called the "One Year Challenge" (OYC), where graduating students take a year off and go and serve another church in the Third World or a recently planted church in the First World looking to reach younger people with the gospel. The One Year Challenge program currently operates in ten countries, including: China, Taiwan, The Czech Republic, Hungary, Haiti, Bolivia, Brazil, Canada, The U.K. and The U.S.

McKean era (1979–2002)
A distinguishing feature of the ICOC under McKean was an intense form of discipleship. McKean's mentor, evangelist Chuck Lucas, developed this practice based in part on the book "The Master Plan of Evangelism" by Robert Coleman. Coleman's book taught that "Jesus controlled the lives of the apostles, that Jesus taught the apostles to 'disciple' by controlling the lives of others, and that Christians should imitate this process when bringing people to Christ." Under McKean, "discipling" entailed members being "assigned a more senior adviser who is always available and frequently present in their lives, even at intimate moments, which mentors them through relationship difficulties. In this practice, individuals interact with other group members in hierarchical relationships". According to Kathleen E. Jenkins's ethnography of the church, McKean viewed discipling as "the most efficient way to achieve the movement's stated goal: 'to evangelize the world in one generation'".

The church's emphasis on discipling during this period was the subject of criticism. A number of ex-members expressed problems with discipling in the ICOC. Critics and former members allege that discipling "involved public scorn as a way to humiliate vulnerable members, to keep them humble". Jenkins notes that "[t]his ICOC structure has been greatly criticized by anti-cult organizations, university officials (the ICOC has been banned from several campuses), and ex-members".

Discipling under McKean was mandatory. All disciples (i.e., baptized members) had to have a discipler. They had to check in with their discipler frequently, such as daily or weekly, and all aspects of a disciple's life were subject to the guidance and approval of their discipler. This included the necessity for dating people within the ICOC on a regular basis (if the disciple were single) and determining how much money had to give to the church (typically 15–30% of income plus additional funds for special projects). Disciples were also held accountable for how many new people they met on a daily basis and recruited into the church. Anyone criticizing the authority of a discipler was publicly rebuked in group meetings.

Those who left the ICOC were to be shunned, and disciples were told that only those baptized within the ICOC were saved; all other people were damned. Furthermore, anyone that left the church would also lose their salvation.

Nonetheless, many disciples, including some who left, got a great deal out of the structure of the discipling system. The found "meaning and community" and formed close friendships across racial and class lines within the ICOC. Sociologist Dr. Joseph E. Lee posits that the strict discipling program helped lead to a lowering of barriers between races and classes. He found this to be a general characteristic of organizations (e.g., martial arts schools) with strong formal beliefs and discipline.

Post McKean era (2002–present)
With the departure of McKean in 2002, the ICOC transitioned from a top-down organization to a "loose federation of autonomous local churches". This led to a change in discipling practices. One of the local ICOC churches, the Chicago Church of Christ, made discipling voluntary and not mandatory. Instead of a top-down hierarchy, they adopted a "servant leadership" model.

US college campuses
Since his college days in the 1970s, Kip McKean, and the churches he has lead (e.g., ICOC and its predecessors), have made recruiting on college campuses a priority. U.S. News & World Report ran an article in 2000 discussing proselytizing on college campuses. The article's author, Carolyn Kleiner, describes the ICOC as "[a] fast-growing Christian organization known for aggressive proselytizing to college students" and as "one of the most controversial religious groups on campus". Kleiner states that "some ex-members and experts on mind-control assert [it] is a cult". Furthermore, "[a]t least 39 institutions, including Harvard and Georgia State, have outlawed the organization at one time or another for violating rules against door-to-door recruiting, say, or harassment." In response to the question "A zealous group to be sure, but is it a cult?", U.S. News & World Report also quotes ICOC spokesperson Al Baird, who says "We're no more a cult than Jesus was a cult" and Professor Jeffrey K. Hadden, who agrees with Baird, saying "every new religion experiences a high level of tension with society because its beliefs and ways are unfamiliar. But most, if they survive, we come to accept as part of the religious landscape".

Academics have complained that their students who get involved with the group tend to lose interest in their studies.

Racial integration in ICOC churches
ICOC churches have an overall higher degree of racial integration than many other religious congregations. This is a priority for the denomination. Racial prejudice is viewed as a state of personal sinfulness which is done away with once a person is baptized and becomes a member. Jenkins also notes that "mandatory close and frequent social interaction forced members to develop such strong cross-racial and ethnic networks". Writing in 2004, Kevin S. Wells reported that "The fact that ICOC congregations are typically multicultural has [...] gained the positive attention of national media in recent years". In 2017, the ICOC formed an organization called SCUAD (Social, Cultural, Unity. and Diversity) that would "seek to champion racial conversation, education, and action among ICOC churches" By 2021, many local ICOC churches had instituted their own SCUAD groups. There was, however, a certain amount of backlash from members who saw the SCUADs' explicit discussion of racism as a form of critical race theory. Nonetheless, by 2022 most congregations had begun conversations about "racial inclusion, diversity and justice" although few had engaged in the self examination necessary to lead to structural change.

Lawsuit by an ICOC member church alleging defamation
On November 23, 1991, two Singapore Newspapers, The New Paper (English) and Lianhe Wanbao (Chinese), published articles stating that the Singapore Central Christian Church (a member of ICOC) was a "cult". The church sued the papers, alleging defamation. An initial court ruling held that what the papers had written was fair and in the public interest. An appeals court, however, overruled the lower court, stating that the papers had stated that the church was a cult as if that was a fact, when it was not a fact, but a comment. The papers were each ordered to pay the church sgd20,000. The New Paper had to pay the founder of the church, John Philip Louis, sgd30,000. The papers also had to pay the legal fees of the church and its founder. In the same ruling, the appeals court held that an article that had also characterized the church as a cult, in the bi-monthly, Singapore-based, Christian magazine Impact, was written fairly from the standpoint of a Christian publication written for the Christian community. The church and Louis were ordered to pay Impact's legal fees.

Lawsuits related to alleged coverup of sexual abuse
Since December 2022, the ICOC along with Kip McKean and the International Christian Churches have been named in multiple US federal lawsuits, alleging that between 1987 and 2012, leaders of the two churches covered up the sexual abuse of children, some of whom were as young as three, and financially exploited members. The lawsuits describe instances of child molestation and accuse the ICOC together with founder Kip McKean and associated bodies of creating "a widespread culture of acceptance of the abuse of children". The Los Angeles ICOC responded to the lawsuits by stating: "As the Church's long-standing policies make clear, we do not tolerate any form of sexual abuse, sexual misconduct, or sexual coercion, and we will fully cooperate with the authorities in any investigations of this type of behavior".

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Sterling Sharpe
I suggest someone add Sterling Sharpe to the births. He was a first round draft pick, so he should be included. smithjacob

Greek soccer/football match notable?
A user has been making numerous entries regarding all things Greek. While som eof these make sense to me (e.g. birthdates of former Prime Ministers), some do not. I would like to hear you thoughts on deleting items such as this from the date page. My suggestion is to delete such material: "*1996 - Panathinaikos becomes the first Greek team to win the European Championships (now Euroleague) in Paris, beating FC Barcelona by 67-66." Looking forward to your thoughts. Thanks, Hu Gadarn 21:31, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

 * First I have to admit I know nothing about sports, American or any others (I tend to shy away from them for that reason). That being said, I know that football (soccer) is insanely popular everywhere in the world except the United States.  I think that if it was a rivalry or a great upset it would be notable as has been the case in baseball, basketball and American football.  I don't know enough to make that call though. -- Borameer ™ 16:26, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Good Friday entry?
Does this make sense in hear since the date changes from year to year? I propose no. Any thoughts? Thanks, Hu Gadarn 06:13, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Western Christianity
The Latter-Day-Saint movement commemorates The Birth of Jesus Christ and the First Resurrection. See: www.lds.org or Ensign magazine. 67.161.249.235 (talk) 08:52, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

The page currently states that Latter-Day Saints believe that Christ was born on this day. However, this is only an assertion made by some Latter-Day Saints, based primarily, so far as I can tell, on a very literal reading of a passage in Doctrine and Covenants 20:1, which may not be intended to be a statement of doctrine, but merely a statement that it was the year 1830. While a couple of apostles have asserted this as well, others have disagreed, and the exact date is not a matter of official doctrine. I think we should probably at the very least back off the language, and perhaps omit the entry.

Be careful when using "the"
I'd say (and shall write) :
 * ...the first Greek team to win the European Championships !!!
 * The West!!!
 * The basketball European ... they have football, chess, and so on there!

 * The West of Europe or plain Western world (I suppose it's NOT Australia or US nor Canada (2 entries in The disambiguation page). -- DLL .. T 17:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Rwandan Genocide
I removed the words "by extremists" because no-one concretely knows who shot the president's plane down and guesses (no matter how probable they are) don't belong here. A reader can read the article about the genocide to achieve a fuller understanding of this incident Na uf ana  :  talk  00:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

&ndash
Where is the consensus for using n-dashes as separators between dates and text? – ukexpat (talk) 17:10, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:MOSDASH – Juliancolton  | Talk 17:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

 * OK I see that, but it is a very recent change on the "day" page. When was that implemented? – ukexpat (talk) 15:54, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Dalai lama
"1993 – The discovery of Chris Correll, the 4th Dalai Lama." Needs fact checking I think. Doesn't match with the dalai lama page or a google for the name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.217.6.9 (talk) 05:41, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It appears to be vandalism and I removed it. Thanks for pointing that out.-- Pink Bull  05:43, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

UK fiscal year
The UK fiscal year, at least for some purposes, runs from April 6 to April 5. Where does that belong?

92.116.139.140 (talk) 14:14, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It doesn't belong anywhere in a date article. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 15:22, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

150th anniversary of debut of The Tempest (Sullivan)
April 6, 2011 will be the 150th anniversary of the first performance of Arthur Sullivan's suite of incidental music for The Tempest in Germany. This piece became a hit in London the following year and led to Sullivan's career as the leading British composer of the Victorian era, including his famous Gilbert and Sullivan operas. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:29, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

3D
"2012 – Titanic is released in 3-D to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the sinking of the RMS Titanic (15 April 1912)." Do not think this should be here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.83.203.55 (talk) 13:05, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It isn't. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 13:27, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Reminding The FAKE Birthday
Excuse me! Ladies and Gentlemen, I would like to remind you all that; Tsunesaburō Makiguchi real birthday was on 23 July 1871, NOT 6 June, and also Nichiren real birthday was on 16 February 1222, NOT 6 April! So we hope that everybody NOT to citation the fake of dates, otherwise, you will get error confusion! Thank you and have a nice day...

不好意思! 女士及先生们, 我想要提醒你们大家的那就是; 牧口常三郎真正的生日是在1871年7月23日, 不是什么6月6日, 还有大日莲真正的生日是在1222年2月16日, 不是什么4月6日! 所以我们希望大家别引用那个假的日期, 否则, 你将会得到错误的困惑! 谢谢及祝你们日子愉快...

Shayrat Airstrikes
I wrote a paragraph on the Shayrat airstrikes for last year, but it looks like someone thought they weren't notable enough. Looking at the guy's talk page, it looks like he has a history of undoing edits and saying they "aren't notable," then refusing to explain. I would just put it back, but I think that would constitute an edit war. So, is it notable enough? Fredo699 (talk) 11:23, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

 * Given this post on rlbarton's talk page, I feel justified in adding my blurb back in. Fredo699 (talk)

Historical inaccuracy
On the Deaths section there is "1340 – Basil, emperor of Trebizond (Turkey)", this was before the Turk occupation, when Trebizond was Trebizond, before 'turkey' existed - which existed after the Ottoman Empire anyway. Middle More Rider (talk) 11:59, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

In births add and Rigersa Dushku too She is a famous little designer and she was born in 2006
In births add and Rigersa Dushku too She is a famous little designer and she was born in 2006 Shkolla Vashtëmi 9 vjeçare (talk) 11:43, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

New Beer's Eve in holidays
a joke, innit? --142.163.195.18 (talk) 09:11, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
 * any further discussion? If not it should be removed. --2607:FEA8:D5DF:1AF0:89DA:FC2A:283A:498A (talk) 08:54, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Windows 3.1x
On this day Microsoft launched Windows 3.1x, i think it could be in the list --Barrabas11 (talk) 13:22, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

 * april 8? Oh sorry i tought it was April 6 (Google was wrong) Sstwoly (talk) 05:21, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

"International Asexuality Day"
The link provided is not to an article about international asexuality day but rather to an article about asexuality. One of the sillier things to be found in Wikipedia but the link needs to be to a day 142.163.195.114 (talk) 23:33, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

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