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Will the new capital be *in* or *near* Gongju?
There seems to be a bit of confusion in the media about exactly where the new capital is to be located. Some outlets have suggested that it is to be in Gongju city itself, others have said that it will be on a greenfield site in the county of the same name. Does anyone know which is right? -- ChrisO 15:43, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * This should probably be updated, both in this article and elsewhere. As far as I know, the new capital is actually proposed to straddle the border between Gongju City and Yeongi County, and the new site is (semi-?)officially referred to as "Yeongi-Gongju" (although I'd have to double-check that).  At any rate, the capital will be outside of the existing built-up area, as you are suspecting.  -Sewing - talk 14:27, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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Talk:Goryeo

RfC: Should the 'status' field in the infobox be condensed?
This discussion is about what information should be included in the infobox. The current status label and the proposed status label are reproduced below for the convenience of the discussion.

 * Current: Tributary state[1][2][3][4] of Later Tang, Later Jin, Later Han, Later Zhou,[5] Song,[6] Liao,[7][8][9] Jin,[10][11] the Mongol Empire,[12][13] Yuan,[14] and Ming[15][16]

 * Proposed: Member of the Imperial Chinese tributary system[1]
 * New Proposal: Member of the Imperial Chinese tributary system[1] Vassal state of the Mongol Empire (1259-1271)

23:14, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Chinese dynasties are categorized as former empires. See Category:Former empires. So the style of the current version is correct per Template:Infobox former country as tributary state is categorized Category:States by power status along with client state, protectorate, puppet state, and vassal state. See also Template:Infobox former country/Categories and vassal state. Vassal state and tributary state are interchangeable. Oda Mari (talk) 07:37, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

 * Goryeo is a historical Kingdom of Korea, please stop Sinocentrism. Sinocentrism is not what Wikipedia for. Oneslin (talk) 08:08, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

For the Japanese editor, please read carefully Neutral point of view. Sinocentrism is giving unbalanced aspects to this article. It is a violation of Wiki principle.Oneslin (talk) 08:38, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

 * Oda Mari, you continue to ignore the most pertinent issue at hand - the fact that the current status label violates guidelines set forth by both Help:Infobox and MOS:INFOBOX. Please review the several violations that I listed in my previous statements. Oneslin does have a point as well, the infobox contains too much information about Imperial China, most of which is not pertinent to the structure of Goryeo.

 * Also, there appears to be a misconception regarding the Template:Infobox former country/Categories source. If you read carefully, you'll see that the source's purpose is to list which values fit the into the default "status" and "empire" fields. The reason that the "status_text" field exists is to allow editors to create more specific status labels, such as "Member of the Imperial Chinese tributary system". In other words, the source does not exclude other values, such as "Imperial Chinese tributary system" from being used. They just don't fit into the default format: "status(empire)". According to Template:Infobox former country, there is nothing wrong with the proposed edit. BUjjsp (talk) 18:22, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

 * Support proposed. An infobox is supposed to be concise. The current one is unreadable. Scolaire (talk) 14:10, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support neither proposed with modification - The current is organized illegibly and the proposed is oversimplified, and slightly incorrect. The current would be better if it were organized as it is on Ryukyu Kingdom; each entry having its own line and providing dates. The Mongol Empire (I'm not talking about the Yuan dynasty) shouldn't be considered part of the "Imperial Chinese tributary system".
 * Oda Mari isn't pushing Sinocentrism. It doesn't matter that Goryeo was a "historical" Korean kingdom, the fact remains that it was a tributary of China for most of its existence.
 * EDIT: That user was indef blocked for "vandalism". It looks more like POV pushing.
 * "Too much information on Imperial China"; that's funny. I'm pretty sure that each dynasty is treated as a separate entity. And Mongolia isn't China, and shouldn't be labeled as such.  ミーラー強斗武   (StG88ぬ会話) 19:26, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

 * Hi Sturmgewehr88, I appreciate your concern regarding the article. However, if you read the reasons I listed above, inclusion of the dynasty names reveals nothing regarding the political structure of Goryeo or any of the tributary system members for that matter. Yes, they were separate entities, but in the interest of conciseness as well as the inclusion of only KEY INFORMATION relating to Goryeo, the relationship that Goryeo had with these dynasties can be summed up in a far more efficient manner, "Member of the Imperial Chinese tributary system". This label collectively includes the relationships between tributary system members and the various Chinese dynasties. Consequently, I see no reason to include the individual dynasty names when the relationship can be explained in a concise, single label.

 * As for Mongolia, it is common knowledge that it is not Chinese (meaning a Han Chinese dynasty). However, the period between which the Mongol Empire's relationship with Goryeo was short-lived, before the Yuan Dynasty took its place (1259-1271). Despite this, in the interest of obtaining consensus, I am willing to include, "Vassal state of the Mongol Empire (1259-1271)" as part of the infobox stats label. BUjjsp (talk) 19:59, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Good enough for me.  ミーラー強斗武   (StG88ぬ会話) 20:17, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Great. So just to be sure, the new proposed status label is,
 * "Member of the Imperial Chinese tributary system
 * Vassal state of the Mongol Empire (1259-1271)"

Please tell me if any editors involved have any digressions with this. BUjjsp (talk) 22:54, 15 December 2014 (UTC) and, please read Talk:Joseon and Talk:Joseon first as the talk started there. I'll post what I have to say as soon as possible. Oda Mari (talk) 10:31, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support proposed Chosen at random to answer RFC's. The current info box is a mess, it needs to be simplified. AlbinoFerret  02:48, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * You're more than welcome to read Talk:Joseon, but I don't really see the point considering the points brought up on this page and that page are practically identical. The reason I moved the discussion here is because no one responded to my WP:3O on the Joseon page, likely because the discussion got way too long. You can also see that I brought up the same issue on the Ryukyu Kingdom page in the Talk:Ryukyu Kingdom section. BUjjsp (talk) 13:15, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

 * Support proposed. Agree with Scolaire's comment. The current format is too complex, and unreadable. ScrapIronIV (talk) 20:51, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose. It's not right that the description style should be changed just because the status section of this article looks a mess. See the status section of Ashikaga shogunate and Joseon. They are readable, but BUjjsp requested the same change at Talk:Joseon before this proposal. Goryeo was a tributary state of many countries and it is an exceptional case. The current proposal have two different style. If the style was changed, Ryukyu Kingdom would also have two different style of its status. The consistency of the style would be lost. IMHO, the issue here is not the readabily, but the matter of the consistency of the style/format. The change would affect a lot of articles. I'll ask for comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Former countries as the infobox is a part of the project. Oda Mari (talk) 07:51, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support proposed. The fact remains that this infobox is currently a mess and fails to meet the criteria set forth by Help:Infobox and MOS:INFOBOX, which every editor here except you has concurred with. This "style" argument that you keep bringing up is not cited anywhere in Wikipedia. It is your own personal, unsubstantiated opinion. And so what if the status labels in the other articles are changed? The same argument: "This style has been at EN:WP for years" that you bring up over and over again is irrelevant. The whole point of Wikipedia being a public encyclopedia is to constantly improve on its content where appropriate. BUjjsp (talk) 13:10, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Seeing as there is still dissent from one involved editor despite comments from other editors through the Rfc process, I move to end the Rfc and request formal mediation to resolve the issue at hand. If there is any digression with this, please comment below. BUjjsp (talk) 20:52, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * That's not how an RfC works. When you make a request for comments, you have to wait for the comments to come in. Then somebody closes it, there is a result, and that result is implemented. You don't just hop to the next process because things aren't happening fast enough for you. I put in a request for closure four days ago, on the basis that there had been no input for six days at that time. If you hadn't started playing around, it would in all probability have been closed by now. Because you tried to mark it "withdrawn", however, it has now been reopened. Just sit tight for a while, let more people comment if they wish, and if the discussion stops for several days again, you can make another request to close. You should not be moving to mediation until much further down the line. And you'd better hope that it doesn't come to that, because mediation takes a very long time indeed. And, by the way, I did not appreciate being named in your abortive request for mediation as a party to the dispute. I am not in a dispute with anybody. All I did was to !vote in this RfC, and do some housekeeping. Scolaire (talk) 00:03, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I sincerely apologize for any inconvenience I may have caused you and any other editors involved. The guidelines provided for 'requests for formal mediation' asked me to name any "editors who are involved". I never had to use the formal mediation process before, so I tried to follow the guidelines available to the best of my ability. My apologies again. BUjjsp (talk) 02:59, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll note that due to the backlog at ANRFC, it was unlikely this would have been closed before January 9th (30 days) anyways. RfCs are typically set to run for 30 days, and there are currently multiple discussions that are over 60 days waiting to be closed.  If new comments seem to be lacking and you'd like to generate more discussion, you might consider listing the discussion on WP:CENT or posting a notice of the discussion to relevant WikiProjects and Village pumps. Good luck! — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 03:10, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

 * Support new proposal, with comma before "Vassal state of the Mongol Empire...".  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  21:25, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support - Infoboxes should be "short & straight to the point", which at the moment it's not so per above I have to support. – Davey 2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 00:23, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Support, infoboxes should be as concise as possible. -- Amaryllis Gardener  talk 02:08, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Ref for status field
I removed the one remaining ref for the status of "Member of the Imperial Chinese tributary system" in the infobox, because the proposal in the RfC only said "[1]", it did not specify what "[1]" was to represent. It needs to be agreed (a) whether a ref is required at all, and (b) if so, which. Note that there was never a proposal to have a ref for "Vassal state of the Mongol Empire". Scolaire (talk) 17:01, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

 * In the absence of any response after four days, I take it that the answer to (a) is no, a ref is not required. Scolaire (talk) 17:35, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

 * I would say, "Go for it!" ScrapIronIV (talk) 21:06, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

"As for Mongolia, it is common knowledge that it is not Chinese (meaning a Han Chinese dynasty)."
User:BUjjsp, is Liao dynasty Han Chinese? Or Jin dynasty (1115–1234)? Yuan dynasty? Neither are Later Tang, Later Jin (Five Dynasties) and Later Han (Five Dynasties). In other words, six out of the nine polities supposed covered by the 4-word label "Imperial Chinese tributary system", are in-fact non-Han-Chinese. This label is particularly problematic for the 2 centuries after 994, when Goryeo after the First conflict in the Goryeo–Khitan War started using Khitan Liao (and later, the Jurchen Jin) era names rather than the "Han Chinese" Song dynasty era names (though Goryeo used Song era names again between 1016 to 1022). In other words, for 220 years between 994 and 1224 Goryeo was making tributes to either the Khitans or the Jurchens rather than "Han Chinese". The current field is VERY MISLEADING. Either set it up like Ryukyu Kingdom, or delete the section altogether. Timmyshin (talk) 08:19, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

 * The current label is not misleading at all. The dynasties you mentioned were not Han Chinese of course. However, these entities, like the Han Chinese dynasties, followed the model of the Imperial Chinese tributary system as a method of asserting their suzerainty over smaller states. If you were familiar with the definition of the Imperial Chinese tributary system, you'd know that being a 'Han Chinese' dynasty was not a prerequisite for assuming the role of power within the Imperial Chinese Tributary system. For example, the Manchurian Qing Dynasty was not a Han Chinese dynasty, yet indisputably, it continued the central role of the Imperial Chinese Tributary System until its demise in 1911. I hope that cleared up any misconceptions you may have previously held. BUjjsp (talk) 00:49, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

 * Also, when the Mongols first conquered China, they didn't continue the tribute system. It wasn't until Kublai Khan established the Yuan dynasty that the tribute system resumed.  ミーラー強斗武   (StG88ぬ会話) 03:09, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Years as vassal state
I have noted that consensus on the format for the status text in the infobox in the section. However, that discussion did not actually discuss the years as vassal state at all. Rather, on a different section, i.e., it mentioned that the correct year is 1270-1350s. This is in fact true, and for more details on this period, please look at the Korea under Yuan rule article. The Zhengdong Branch Secretariat (征東等處行中書省) was established in Korea in the 1280s, and King Gongmin of Goryeo began to push the Mongol garrisons of the Yuan back in the 1350s. Both of these clearly suggest the years "1259-1271" as vassal state is wrong. Instead, "1270-1350s" is the correct span for the vassalage, as vassal state of the Yuan dynasty. --Cartakes (talk) 00:26, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

 * User:Cartakes: If so, I recommend changing the years to (1259-1356), and changing the label to say Vassal of the Mongol Empire to collectively describe Goryeo's semi-autonomous vassal status to the Mongol Empire (which includes the Yuan dynasty). Additionally, the vassal label should be made distinct from the "independent kingdom" label since Goryeo was not independent during the Mongol domination period. BUjjsp (talk) 17:29, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * As mentioned in the said section, I think the actual Mongol domination in Goryeo only started after the enthronement of Kublai Khan in 1270 instead of early in 1259. For example, according to the book "A History of Korea: From Antiquity to the Present, by Michael J. Seth", page 112, "From 1270 to 1356 Korea was under Mongol domination". Beginning with 1260 the Mongol Empire became divided or fractured into the Yuan dynasty and the western Mongol khanates, so it is difficult to talk about a single Mongol Empire after that. It was Yuan under the Kublaids who dealt with the Goryeo (Korea), that is why I prefer to say "Yuan dynasty". However, I think it is a good idea to change the label "independent kingdom" as you said, at least add the years when it was in fact an independent kingdom (i.e. 918-1270 and 1356-1392). Thanks for your suggestion. --Cartakes (talk) 18:29, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. For now, while I have read sources that suggest otherwise, I think it's best that we follow the source you provided and change the starting year to 1270. However, I do have a couple of suggestions: 1) I recommend changing the label to say "Vassal of the Mongol Yuan dynasty" to make it clear that the Yuan dynasty was in fact controlled by the Mongols and to avoid confusing readers. 2) For the purpose of aesthetics, I recommend that the following infobox status label be used:

Vassal of the Mongol Yuan dynasty (1270-1356) Member of the imperial Chinese tributary system
 * Independent kingdom (918-1270, 1356-1392)

BUjjsp (talk) 06:40, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your suggestion. I have changed it to "Vassal of the Mongol Yuan dynasty" and add a new line between "Independent kingdom" and its years as you said. I did not force a second new line though because it would take a lot of lines and would thus look a little bad. Anyway, thanks for your input too. --Cartakes (talk) 11:15, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Recent IP Edits
To the editor(s) who is/are repeatedly changing the article's content without explanation, please explain the reasoning behind your edits. Considering that the article is about Goryeo, there no reason to change the pre-existing map to one that focuses on the Jurchen Jin dynasty, which is being persistently added without explanation. Moreover, I see no reason to repeatedly remove information that was decided by consensus on this talk page. BlackRanger88 (talk) 06:46, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

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I have merged this article into Goryeo, since there is no content here that is unique to the royal family, rather than the kingdom. It could potentially be re-expanded as an article dealing with specifically dynastic issues, but at present it is simply an open invitation to duplicate articles.

Note that the situation here is distinct from Joseon and Joseon Dynasty ... there the addition of "Dynasty" to the kingdom name is primarily for disambiguation purposes. However, the name Goryeo is unique to this kingdom, and therefore there is no need for disambiguation, and therefore currently no need for a Goryeo Dynasty (or Wang Dynasty) article. If in the future we have enough content to justify a separate article, then so much the better. -- Visviva 14:49, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Talk:Liberty Korea Party

Korean name?
Does this party have a Korean name? Even the Korean article uses the English name! DHN 20:05, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. Han-nara. Progressive(Democratic Labour) and Pro-govt(Uri and Democrats) supporters are pretend to be call that party as ddan-nara(means 'Another-national' in Korean). Peterhansen2032, 12:25, 26 July 2007(KST).

Wow. Just wow.
Article's pretty incredibly biased.

Will change when I have time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.178.79.39 (talk) 03:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC).
 * As a South Korean citizen(and truly detest this party's policy personally), I do have to mention that, the true image of this party which shown this page should be correct with including the bright side of the party's members, policies, and some historic facts. In outside Korea, people don't realise what the Korean History really was(especially during our faded-page of Military regimes period). However, the time has gone, and this party tries hard to adjust in this democratic era, so I should mention that there are some reason which not just looking as negatively. I've just finished helping this work.Peterhansen2032, 12:20, 26 July 2007(KST).

Main picture
The heck? This thing's huge! May need resizing.

Biased
This is waaay too biased. --Kuanhui 14:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

General Comments
Reviewing all the articles on other Korean parties, it appears they all have a rather negative, if not outright biased viewpoint. It doesn't help that much of the info isn't sourced at all, and when they are, they point to a few media articles. Anyone can cite a source, but it doesn't make that point valid. No wonder scholars reject wikipedia as a credible source (although they could and should help out, not just criticize, since more and more people are refering to wikipedia for general information).

Another translation
Couldn't the name of this party also be translated as "Korean Nation"? After all, "Han" in Korean commonly refers to Korean things (the native name of Korea, at least in South Korea, is Hanguk; in North Korea it is Chosun). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.171.227.114 (talk) 16:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

 * That's what "grand" stands for; Hanguk is, in a theory, "Grand Nation." —jisok 04:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

 * For future reference, the ambiguity is intentional, but "one" is the official reading rather than "Korean". --Tyrannus Mundi (talk) 13:17, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Party colour
Are we going with red or blue for the party colour in info tables and the like? Red is given in this article and seems to be official but blue is being used in a lot of other places for continuity purposes --Tyrannus Mundi (talk) 13:16, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sae-nuri Party was in succession to Han-nara Party. And logo color of Sae-nuri Party is Bule. So, we are to use bule color in my opinion. --Idh0854 (talk) 07:17, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * In my view the dominant color is red. --RJFF (talk) 11:28, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Page rewrite
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Name of party
What does Saenuri mean in English? Why is this party called by its Korean name when all other parties are called by their English names? Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 04:36, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

 * Saenuri means "new world", and their English name is New Frontier Party (NFP). PBJT (talk) 06:54, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Now that the Saenuri Party has an official English name, would it be advisable to rename this page to New Frontier Party? I see no reason why it should continue to be called by its Korean name. Western media outlets are referring to this party as NFP, as well. Humorahead01 (talk) 07:26, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Is Saenuri a "conservative party" or a "right-wing conservative party"?
This was taken, somewhat ridiculously, to ANI before being discussed here. While I personally think "right-wing conservative" sounds ridiculous, I might be wrong.

Discuss.

Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 12:33, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Many of reliable sources said that Saenuri is a centre-right party. (including the report published by the House of Commons of the United Kingdom) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

--117.53.77.84 (talk) 14:25, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * And how does this relate to the problem I mentioned above? As far as I'm concerned it's an English problem "right-wing" and "conservative" mean pretty much the same thing, so using both sounds redundant. Does that mean I agree with you? Frankly I already know where you're coming from, and as whether "right-wing" should be added on top of "conservative", I think I agree. I'm more interested in seeing what is motivating User:Travelbybus. (I still suspect it to be nothing more than poor English -- someone who doesn't bother to look up "conservative" in the dictionary and doesn't know it to see, but knows "right-wing" might think that the version you and I prefer is censoring discussion of their political position.) Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 15:47, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Saenuri Party is a conservative South Korean political party, similar with the Republican Party (United States).Marxistfounder (talk) 13:56, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm Irish and I live in Japan, so comparisons to the GOP are not going to work: am I supposed to read your comparison like the mainstream in my home country would ("Saenuri are a far-right, conservative Christian, pro-war, pro-corporate party"), like liberal Americans would ("Saenuri are conservative") or like conservative Americans would ("Saenuri are not liberal")? Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 15:47, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Saenuri is a conservative political party, but its policy (both social and economic) is different from the Republican Party. --117.53.77.84 (talk) 03:06, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * In Wikipedia, right-wing means that radical right party like the UKIP. Also, left-wing means that radical left party like Sinn Fein. Which uses the the term centre-right/left for mainstream right/left. --117.53.77.84 (talk) 03:06, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

--117.53.77.84 (talk) 15:23, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

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New name
Liberty Korea Party. Do you really want to use this improper translation? I know that 자유한국당 literally means Liberty Korea Party but hey at least call it Free Korea Party or something. Oppashi (talk) 10:02, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

 * Korea Freedom Party is used by some media. That makes more sense in English. But Liberty Korea is so dominant that it probably has to be that due to the common name rule.--Batmacumba (talk) 12:10, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

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Undue emphasis in lede
The mentions of racism, etc. and especially "pro-military dictatorship" seem to me to be given undue emphasis since the sources focus on individuals rather than the party as a whole. These should probably be moved into the body of the article. --Yellow Diamond Δ Direct Line to the Diamonds  04:57, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Firstly I want to thank for your input. I suggest you to read source about paleo conservatism. I think the source can provide provide enough answer to your question. Thank you. Jeff6045 (talk) 05:55, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

As for the news aggregator, isn't it best practices to look at the sources it cites itself, such as the guardian article it references?--Yellow Diamond Δ Direct Line to the Diamonds  04:19, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Also what source are you referring to on paleoconservatism? The one on this page? I can't speak Korean, so I'm not sure what that source actually says. --Yellow Diamond Δ Direct Line to the Diamonds  04:21, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Political position
I propose that the political position in the infobox be changed to state "Right-wing" instead of "Right-wing to far-right". Ezhao02 (talk) 01:20, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Discussion
I propose changing the political position to say "Right-wing" as opposed to "Right-wing to far-right". The reasoning is that this party's political position ranges from center-right to far-right, and the label "right-wing" balances the different positions the best. It has been argued that the sources that label the party as center-right   are generally older sources and are outdated, especially since a more moderate faction split from the party to form the Bareun Party, thus justifying the listing of "Center-right to right-wing" as a historical position. However, there are sources written after the split that characterize the party as center-right. Thus, this argument should be considered invalid, and "right-wing" is still the best way to balance the political positions of the various factions. Ezhao02 (talk) 18:35, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Let's look at the sources which are referring the "LKP" as centre-right.

1. Bloomberg source This is just person's opinion. Opinion is not reliable in WP. (Please read WP:NOR)

2. Sputnik The articles is written by foreign journalists with little connection to South korea; characteristically, they only mention the LKP in passing. I think the source is quite low-quality to change party's political spectrum. (Please see the talk page about Progress Party. Right-wing populist and far-right labels have been denied for same reason.)

3. Other sources Other sources are referring the Saenuri Party or Grand National party as centre right. These sources are outdated.

Please see the sources in the article that are used to describe the party as far-right. Some of them are not just mentioning the party as far-right but they are actually showing party's close relationship with far-right group or party's shift to far-right. The sources that you have given are quite low quality to change party's political spectrum. Thank you. Jeff6045 (talk) 22:59, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

 * It's not fair to characterize sources as outdated just because they refer to the party's former name. A name change is not necessarily a change in ideology. Rather, all of these sources were published after the Bareun Party's split from the LKP; the split would have a much greater impact of ideology and political position, yet these sources continue to refer to the party as center-right. Ezhao02 (talk) 04:12, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

The official date of the party's split is 25 January 2017. The source that refers the Saenuri as centre-right is written in 19 January 2017. Also I'm keep saying that the sources that you have given are quite low-quality. The sources only mention the LKP or Saenuri in passing. I suggest you to give source that describe why the party is centre-right. Ps: After the Hong Jun-pyo was elected as leader of LKP, the party has been increasingly working with far-right group. Please see the source about far-right in the article. Jeff6045 (talk) 05:39, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

 * Let's take a look at the sources used to refer to the party as "far-right".

• UPI source, Newser source, both Korea Herald sources: mention "far-right" in passing, which, as you said, does not make a high-quality source.

• Channel NewsAsia source: calls the party "ultraconservative", not "far-right"; "ultraconservative" should be used to cite "paleoconservatism", if anything

• Sino NK source: "hard-right" is not the same as "far-right", and this source is describing factions usually "associated" with the party

• Pressian source: This is the reporter's opinion.

• Korea Times sources: These sources do describe a shift of the party to the right, considering its greater acceptance of far-right groups. There are a few problems with using these sources to describe the party itself as far-right, however. First, acceptance of far-right groups into the party only means that far-right factions are growing in the party, not that the party is far-right as a whole. Second, the sources do not explain why these groups are far-right, other than describing them as Park Geun-hye supporters, which does not necessarily make them far-right. Last but not least, a mainstream center-right or right-wing political party can easily have far-right factions. Just that this party has (allegedly) large far-right factions does not mean that the party as a whole is not center-right or simply right-wing. I know that some of the sources I provided to support a description of "center-right" are not the best, but the sources used to describe the party as "far-right" are not any better. I still view "Right-wing" as the best compromise between these positions. Perhaps we could list "Factions: Centre-right to far-right" under it. I hope that we can consider my suggestion. Ezhao02 (talk) 15:39, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

1.Ultra-conservative≠ far-right? Please see the article about Law and Justice. Ultra-conservative is widely use to refer far-right.

2. Opinion source Pressian source is not an opinion, please read the source better.

3. The party has centre-right faction? The party itslef denied centre-right position. They're describing their party as right-wing. Can you give any reliable sources that describe the party as centre-right in 2019 or party includes centre-right as faction?

4. "I know that some of the sources I provided to support a description of "center-right" are not the best, but the sources used to describe the party as "far-right" are not any better." Seriously? You have given sources that describe the party as center-right which are written in 2017 and only mentioning the party in the pass. Beside current sources that are used to describe party's far-right position are mostly written in 2019 and expressing concern of party's shift to far-right.

In addition I suggest you to read source from YTN. It clearly shows party's shift to far-right. Jeff6045 (talk) 00:36, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

 * 1. Ultra-conservative≠far-right: Sources used on the Law and Justice page that describe the party as ultraconservative should also not be used to cite a far-right political position. While we should take precedents set on other articles into account, we should also be careful not to emulate incorrect usage. (see the essay WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS)

2. Reading through the Pressian article, it does seem like an opinion article, since the author "offers advice" to the party. However, even if this is not an opinion source, the article is describing the party as turning towards far-right factions, which does not make the party itself far-right.

3. Even if the party itself denies a center-right position and calls itself right-wing, we should not automatically assume that the party is not center-right. This would be using primary sources incorrectly.

4. I have found this source, last updated December 2019, describing the party as center-right to right-wing. Ezhao02 (talk) 04:03, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I think the party is clearly "far-right" about it. Sometimes there will be a handful of articles reporting "centre-right," but I don't think it reflects the Liberty Korea Party's actual policy. Because it is not a Western political party in the first place and because it was "centre-right" in the past, it is highly likely that he did not know it and called it that way. Therefore, I do not think 'far-right' should be removed from the document.--삭은사과 (talk) 04:25, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

1. Centre-right source The source that you have suggested is 2017 version. Please see the article about Justice Party (South Korea).

2. Pressian source Do you really read the article properly? The source is clearly sying the party has become like far-right 대한애국당.

3. Ultra-conservative If you think ultra conservative doesn't refer the far-right please discuss on talk page.

I think this discussion will be endless between two of us. I want to politly suggest you that we should wait until other users join the discussion. Let's stop discussing the issue until various users reveal their input. Thank you. Jeff6045 (talk) 07:00, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

 * I'm discussing the use of ultraconservative to cite "far-right" right now. This is just factually incorrect. Ultraconservative could just mean right-wing in a context where the main conservative party is center-right. It could also mean far-right in other contexts. I agree with you that we should seek other users' input. In the meantime, would you be willing to look for recent sources describing the party as center-right (in any language) or for scholarly sources (not just news articles) describing the party as far-right? Thanks, Ezhao02 (talk) 15:17, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * At least there are a number of sources in South Korea calling the LKP "Far-right," but it is hard to find any source who calls it "Centre-right." The LKP is also denying that it is "Centre-right." The articles calling the LKP "Centre-right" are likely foreigners with low quality and who do not know that the party has become radical since 2017. That is why the LKP's political position is "Right-wing to far-right."--삭은사과 (talk) 22:53, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * : Recently, the main opposition Liberty Korea Party organized violent rallies at the National Assembly. This even led the DP/JP to file a complaint against the Liberty Korea Party. Hong Joon-pyo, a former LKP leader is remarks "Trump, Xi Jinping, Abe and Putin are all far-right ultra-nationalists, so we need a right-wing ultra-nationalist Strongman leader." This is even recognized by the far-right journalist Chosun Ilbo. and There are a lot of Korean articles calling the current party leader 황교안 An "far-right" . Not a few have spoken in support of the conversion therapy of homosexuality, Many major South Korean politicians also refer to the LKP as the extreme right. (Even members of the center-right Bareun Party have called the LKP the extreme right).      Even 정두언 who even served as a lawmaker from the ruling Saenuri Party before changing his party name to the main opposition Liberty Korea Party, accused the LKP of being full of far-right forces. the current leader of the party, is the extreme right. South Korea is a conservative country, but the LKP is never recognized as "centre-right" even among mainstream politicians in the public. The "centre-right" within the party has no leadership and is often moved or defected to another party. This party is now clearly in absolute control by the far right.--삭은사과 (talk) 23:56, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

 * what is your brief and neutral statement? At over 4,000 bytes, the statement above (from the tag to the next timestamp) is far too long for  to handle, and so it is not being shown correctly at Requests for comment/Politics, government, and law. The RfC will also not be publicised through WP:FRS until a shorter statement is provided. -- Red rose64 🌹 (talk) 00:44, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Did I do this correctly? Ezhao02 (talk) 01:20, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Ok. I will search some sources. Jeff6045 (talk) 00:51, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

That the LKP is far-right is by no means a political calumny. Currently, the LKP is far-right in South Korean standards, but also far-right in international standards. (Ex. racist, homophobic, xenophobic and pro-military dictatorship ) Also explained above, LKP lawmakers staged violent disturbances in December 2019 in Congress. If this isn't the far right, what is it? YTN or JTBC is South Korea's representative news broadcast, but neither YTN nor JTBC is considered left-leaning.--삭은사과 (talk) 05:09, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Responses
Oppose: As mentioned above, the LPK is also a party often considered 'far-right' by South Korean centre-right politicians. And there are similar cases in which the party was originally a center-right party but turned into a far-right party.(See also. Fidesz)--삭은사과 (talk) 10:55, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Support as proposer: As mentioned above, the LKP broadly has factions ranging from center-right to far-right and is the major right-wing party in South Korea, with a center-right faction splitting from it around the beginning of 2017. Ezhao02 (talk) 03:15, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Oppose: There are no such sources to claim that LKP has centre-right factions. Also as mentioned above the party itself denied centre-right label. In addition the sources that are suggested to describe the party's centre-right is quite low-quality or out dated. (Which describe the party's historical position.) Jeff6045 (talk) 06:24, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Comment: I would like to point out that one of the sources listed above, Sputnik, is not regarded as a reliable source to use for citations on Wikipedia. Please see WP:RSP, where this source is listed, for more information. Many of the other sources listed I have never heard of and seem to be small websites and their reputations and accuracy may be questionable. We should go by established reliable sources. WP:RELIABILITY. Helper201 (talk) 10:24, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Support I think labeling parties "far" anything is easily cherry picked and sources involved almost always do so for political reasons ("They're not like you normal people, they're FAR right/left!"). At this stage of political discourse right and left are somewhat outdated anyway, but since Wikipedia is still using them the term "far" should be avoided. Edit5001 (talk) 03:47, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

 * There's no need to stuff the infobox with potentially controversial things. "Right-wing" is concise, neutral, and in accordance with the available sources. The "far-right" faction, to the extent that some sources believe it exists, should be discussed in the article, but we don't need that in the infobox. Support-AsianFire- (talk) 06:05, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Oppose - They're fairly self evidently far-right, many sources refer to them as such. Bacondrum (talk) 00:45, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Oppose - Highly disapprove of the line of argument that since labeling an organization "far-right" is controversial, it should be avoided even when there is sufficient evidence to support the claim. The party's strong anti-immigrant, Christian far-right stance, and conspiratorial tack since the impeachment has been well documented and cited. To remove it to satisfy vague appeal for "neutrality," and citing Sputnik article to support that position seriously undermines the argument. Aixaurinoko (talk) 13:13, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment – Even though Sputnik is not a reliable source, other sources continue to describe the party as center-right, as discussed above. Ezhao02 (talk) 15:40, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Comment- Sputnik (news agency) is widely considered as russian government's propaganda in WP. (Please see WP:RSP.) The source should be excluded. Also there are no any recent sources that describe the party as centre-right. Jeff6045 let's talk! 23:08, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Comment – I've removed the Sputnik source for obvious problems, but there are additional sources describing the party as center-right.

Comment: I have found another source that describe the party as far-right. Jeff6045 let's talk! 23:51, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Comment: I don't think there's any more participants. Can we close Talk now?--삭은사과 (talk) 09:13, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Why don't you change the heading of the document to "Future Integration Party"?
They are currently trying to change the party's name from the "자유한국당" to the "미래통합당".

Although they claim to be a three-party merger of "Onward for Future 4.0," "New Conservative Party" and "Liberty Korea Party," Officially it seems to be done by putting the Liberty Korea Party as its parent and merging the other two parties.--삭은사과 (talk) 09:24, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

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Korean wikipedia page ideology factions?
So, I think it is that? There is a Faction Ideology on the Korean Wikipedia page, I wanted the Liberty Party Korea to add the Ideology of the factions (not Paleoconservatism or Neoconservatism), How like the Korean Wikipedia page. Rodionov Erel (talk) 17:48, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

narrative related
In the link to the evidence that currently states that it is far-right, the statement that the 'Liberal Korea Party' is far-right does not clearly state or has incorrect (biased) evidence.

Also, I don't know why the accusations against certain politicians were written in the political position of the Liberty Korea Party.

For this reason, I am going to remove the far-right narrative. 1alskd1 (talk) 14:02, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

"Ideology" parametre
I think the parametre needs slimming down to:
 * Conservatism (South Korean)
 * Right-wing populism

The reason why I think populism should stay is because it is was fairly new for conservatism in South Korea, at the time, while the removed ideologies are a part of the conservatism movement in South Korea. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 20:57, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

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Linda Bove

Linda Bove Waterstreet is a Deaf American actress, her most notable role being a fictionalized version of herself in the PBS children's series Sesame Street from 1971 to 2002. Bove was the first Deaf actress to be a member of the program's recurring cast.

Early life and education
Bove was born in Garfield, New Jersey, a Deaf child born to two Deaf parents. She has one brother, Michael, who is hearing. As a child, she attended St. Joseph School for the Deaf in The Bronx, New York and subsequently Marie H. Katzenbach School for the Deaf in Trenton, New Jersey, from which she graduated in 1963. She attended Gallaudet College, now Gallaudet University, studying library science. From there, she became interested in theatre. She participated in several theatrical productions at Gallaudet including The Threepenny Opera and poetic characterizations of the Spoon River Anthology. In her senior year, she studied in a Summer School Program at the National Theatre of the Deaf (NTD).

Bove is an active member of the Deaf arts community.

Television
Bove appeared in an episode of Happy Days as Allison, Arthur Fonzarelli's deaf love interest. She also performed on the soap opera Search for Tomorrow, with the latter role making her one of the first deaf actors to become a regular on a soap opera series.

She also performed as a member of the National Theatre of the Deaf, founded in 1967.

Many cast members, crew, and technicians of the shows on which Bove has performed have learned sign language from her.

Sesame Street
Linda, portrayed by Bove, was a character on the children's program Sesame Street. When Bove debuted on Sesame Street with NTD in April 1971 (Episode 0243) as the Deaf character of her namesake, she was the first deaf performer on the show. Initially appearing sporadically, she became a regular member of the cast in 1975, and she continued to appear until 2002, making Linda the longest-running deaf character and Bove the longest-working Deaf actor on a single series in television history. In 2019, Linda returned to the franchise in the television special Sesame Street's 50th Anniversary Celebration, 17 years after her last appearance. She has introduced millions of children to sign language and issues surrounding the Deaf community, increasing public awareness of Deaf culture and to reassure others who are Deaf to be proud of who they are. Her character owns a very playful dog, Barkley.

Linda communicated only in American Sign Language and interacted with other members of the Sesame Street community as a citizen and resident of the community. The person who most often interpreted for her was Bob and eventually, he and Linda were portrayed in a romantic relationship. Linda made her living as a librarian, and had an assistant, Micki Barnett, who would read stories to the children, while Linda signed them.

The staff writers at Sesame Street were initially unsure of how to write for her. Bove said, "When I joined the cast I found the writers would write about 'How would a deaf person do this?' 'How does a deaf person do that?' and it was just related to my deafness and it didn't feel like they were treating me as a person. I found my character one-dimensional and kind of boring. It showed how brave a deaf person was to do this and that in everyday life. I said it was no big deal. I have a sense of humor; why don't you show that? I can be angry over something. Show that I can have a relationship with another person. Maybe a love relationship with Bob. It's not perfect, but... We do have misunderstandings over sign language, make fun of it, and show the funny side of it. It's OK.'"

In addition to playing Linda, Bove appeared frequently in various sketches and silent segments, where she was often paired up with Maria, played by Sonia Manzano, often playing a supporting role in Manzano's Charlie Chaplin silent film sketches (with occasional voiceovers), usually just as a woman in the sketch, but played a second Tramp if two were needed (e.g. the mirror sketch and the opening umbrellas sketch). Manzano and Bove worked in many other sketches together, both with and without dialogue, on-camera, or voiceover.

Theatre
In the 1970s, Bove and some of her colleagues started the Little Theatre of the Deaf to attract more deaf people, including children, to theater and the company gained national and international attention. It dealt with communication among deaf people and the importance of teaching sign language to deaf children.

In 1979, Bove and NTD traveled on a 30,000 mile world tour. Their biggest success was in Japan, where their show was attended by the royal family and they were invited to appear on a Japanese television show.

In 1991, Bove and her husband Ed Waterstreet founded Deaf West Theatre in Los Angeles, the first theater company run by deaf actors. While working with DWT, she starred in George Bernard Shaw's Saint Joan, based on Joan of Arc. The company performs plays in sign language and adjusts dialog accordingly. Signed dialog is interpreted into spoken language in order to bridge the gap between the deaf and hearing communities.

She appeared in several roles in the national tour of the Deaf West production of Big River in 2005.

Bove was also involved in a number of other projects in the Deaf community, several related to children. She had a brief role in The Land Before Time IV: when the dinosaur characters would speak, Bove would appear in a picture-in-picture box in the lower corner of the screen signing the dialog. She has also made many videos in American Sign Language such as Sign Me a Story and has starred in several productions of the play Children of a Lesser God.

Personal life
In 1970, Bove married Ed Waterstreet, who she met when they both worked at the National Theatre of the Deaf.

Publications
In 1980, Sesame Street and the National Theatre of the Deaf collaborated on publishing a book, Sign Language Fun With Linda Bove

Recognition

 * Bove received an award in 1974 from AMITA, an Italian-American women's organization, in recognition for her work on television.
 * 1991 - received an honorary degree from Gallaudet University
 * 1992 - Bernard Bragg Artistic Achievement Award
 * July 3, 2012 Bove was presented with the Media Advocacy Award in recognition of her "success in advancing the civil, human and linguistic rights of the American deaf and hard of hearing community through use of the media and social networking".

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gunvor bohlin
hon ä en riktig pingla å en riktigt het tant som jobbar i dals ed på deras ungdomsgår (20mtw) här kallas hon gunsan. alla älskar henne här hon ä den bästa som finns här bättre än dom andra surkärringarna :D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.17.155.160 (talk) 16:28, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

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Talk:Gwanghaegun of Joseon

Burial place unknown?
I am removing the claim that Gwanghaegun's burial place is unknown. They might not have built a stately mausoleum for him, but they did bury him properly. See this page (in Korean) for the information on the tomb containing the remains of Gwanghaegun and Lady Ryu, located in Namyangju, Gyeonggi Province. --Iceager 30 June 2005 03:50 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
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Talk:Gwangju

POV discussion
There are too many north korean agents here making false claims.

24.180.28.245 stop lying
I can't believe the lies that 24.180.28.245 is posting in relation to the Gwangju Uprising. There was no communist involvement. It was a legitimate uprising against brutalities committed by the Korean government against their own people. I actually LIVED IN GWANGJU in May of 1980. Granted, I was a bit young at the time, but I and my family are not "communist sympathisers" My father and mother were Baptist missionaries to South Korea at the time. It is an absolute insult to the brave people of Gwangju to imply communist involvement in the Uprising. Even the current South Korean government has stated that the 5.18 was a result of military atrocities. The only real debate about the Gwangju Uprising is related to the number of people who died. THERE IS NO DEBATE ABOUT COMMUNIST INVOLVEMENT. THERE WAS NONE. 24.180.28.245 should be blocked from any further edits. I will be reporting his IP to wikipedia in connection with this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sinfonian94 (talk • contribs) 04:35, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

POV discussion
You guys need to stop this shameful editorializing and fix this city page.

The current History section content blatantly violates the NPOV requirement. Even the parts of this content which are appropriate for Wikipedia belong on the Gwangju Massacre page, certainly not the Gwangju city page. Do you guys know nothing about Wikipedia's standards, or do you just not care?

Suggest finding an appropriate revert for the History section, leaving BRIEF objective mention of the events and their importance, with the link to the separate page for these events.

J. Goard (talk) 08:22, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Casualty count of the Gwangju Massacre
Let's put an end to this neverending dispute. An official account will suffice. --noirum 19:19, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)

 * Is there a credible source for the "thousands" claim? If not, it doesn't belong at all, even qualified as the opinion of some. Very Verily  00:08, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I don't think this meaningless 200 vs. thousands edit war will ever end if this goes on like this. I do support 200 claim, but labeling it "official count" will do the job of making it a reliable statement. Leave it up to the readers to decide the validity of claims made by "some." --noirum 02:35, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)

 * The radical organization the British Broadcasting Corporation ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/752055.stm ) says: "Official figures put the death toll at 200, with another 1,000 protestors injured. But according to other estimates between one and two thousand actually died."

 * So the dictatorial government which just massacred civilians said 200 were killed. Thus the BBC takes the position that it was between hundreds and thousands killed. Ruy Lopez 03:04, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * "Between one and two thousand" is not "thousands". What's wrong with stating the official estimate is the official estimate, in the absence of hard contrary data? Very Verily  08:15, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Please note that the governmental investigation was conducted by the civilian government after the demise of the military dictatorship. Investigation by the military government stated only tens of people were killed in the incident. The number 207 is all the casualty that has been accounted for with full personal information. BTW, there's another category called "Other Casualties," of which meaning is not certain - possibly those who died after the incident because of gunshot wound or torturing. The count of OC is 987. Take a look at the numbers in the link I provided and have your say. --noirum 09:38, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)

 * "Other Casualties" probably does not refer to deaths. Anyway, you should know "Ruy Lopez" (etc.) don't make the distinction between the military and the civilian government, or for that matter any meaningful distinctions at all. Very Verily  11:59, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I don't see the words "Other Casualties" in the BBC sentences I quoted. The BBC says "But according to other estimates between one and two thousand actually died".  I don't even think it's necessary to debate here whether 207 died, or 208 died, or more.  I simply want to report it here in the manner the BBC did. Ruy Lopez 21:53, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * proposal: If this dispute is important enough for us to argue about it, surely it's important enough to let the user know about it.  Why not a paragraph detailing the body-count controversy, with sources cited?  Wikipedia should be authoritative, but not to the point of pretending a certainty for which we have no basis.  I'd just go and make the paragraph myself, but we're in lockdown at the moment.  Not having done thorough research myself, I would start by digesting the statements made here, something like this:
 * The death toll of the 1980 Gwangju massacre has been subject to considerable dispute.  An investigation by the civilian government found that 208 civilians could be confirmed slain.    In addition they found 987 "Other Casualties," who suffered substantial injury.  However, a report by the BBC indicates that these estimates may be conservative.  Estimates prepared by organizations involved in the uprising, such as the Peace and Democracy Party, claim one to two thousand dead.  However, detailed information about the identities of the dead is not available to back up these claims.
 * How does that sound? Visviva 15:33, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * For your information, the Peace and Democracy Party is one of the opposition parties in the late 80s to the early 90s, a period of "quasi-democracy" of the military government, and its legacy is shared by both Millennium Democratic Party and Uri Party, the latter being the current ruling party in South Korea. In that period which saw the transition to the civil democracy, opposition often made somewhat exaggerated claims about the incident. For one thing, there haven't been any extraordinary discoveries concerning the incident for more than a decade, except for some isolated events of unearthing of the buried skulls, and no signifant claims are being made about the number of the casualties at this time. I think your effort has its merit though. noirum 19:43, Oct 31, 2004 (UTC)

Move?

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. R'n'B (call me Russ) 14:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Gwangju Metropolitan City → — undiscussed move Jyusin (talk) 01:09, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * (And Gwangju to Gwangju (disambiguation).) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Gwangju+Metropolitan+City and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Gwangju show a recent move war between these 2 names. Please choose which. (I have restored page Gwangju to a disambig page.) Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:32, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Before anyone considers moving this page again, please review WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The question is not whether there is more than one place called "Qwangju" (which is certainly the case), but which one are readers of the encyclopedia most likely to be looking for? --R'n'B (call me Russ) 14:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Gwangju Institute of Science and Technology (GIST)
Since the main article cannot be edited by me, I ask that whoever can edit it to please add Gwangju Institute of Science and Technology (GIST) to the education section of the article. GIST is located on the north side of Gwangju and is a significant contribution to technology institutes in Korea and around the world. The mission GIST is to produce highly competent scholars and reserchers in science and technology, and to improve ongoing project and development capabilities in advanced science and technology. More information can be found at the institute's website: http://ewww.gist.ac.kr —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.58.145.70 (talk) 09:07, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Some/Most of
Without quotation, "Most of commentators" means: a large majority among nobody. Without quotation, "Some commentators" means: a small minority among nobody. After some thought, both are equivalent void assertions. Pldx1 (talk) 15:53, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

npov hat
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"Second oldest"?
This page currently says it's the second oldest seemingly without a source. On the other hand, Expressways in South Korea says it's the oldest.

I probably won't research this for now, but does anyone know if it's the oldest or not? If not which is the oldest? toobigtokale (talk) 22:37, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

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Infobox
Let's use this instead.

9/18/06 - I changed "the area around Kaesŏng came under North Korean control during the Korean War, and officially became part of that country" to "the area around Kaesŏng came under North Korean control during the Korean War, and officially came under the administration of that country." The consititutions of both the North and South claim the entire Korean penninsula as their domain, so it doesn't make sense to say that Kaesung officially became part of North Korea at that time.

Hello
This is very informative! - 68.72.123.164 04:25, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Roy Kerr, also known as the Freelance Hellraiser, is an English DJ, producer, remixer and one of the creators of the UK bootleg (mashup) scene.

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Under the Freelance Hellraiser name, Kerr gained fame with a mashup in 2001 called "A Stroke of Genius", which combined an instrumental edit of the Strokes' track "Hard to Explain" with Christina Aguilera's pop hit "Genie in a Bottle". Although originally greeted by a cease and desist order by RCA (the label which both Aguilera and the Strokes are signed to), he went on to remix Aguilera's single "Fighter", as well as tracks for Placebo and ex-Verve frontman Richard Ashcroft. "A Stroke of Genius" was later dubbed as "the song that defines the decade" by The Guardian.

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Freeway and Highway
I don't understand what is the difference between freeway and highway used in South Korea. People use the term "expressway/highway" and Gyeongin line is well-known to be the first one to be built.--128.83.158.185 (talk) 00:05, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Image
OK, I have to ask: Why would anyone want a picture of the Gyeongin Expressway? :-)

On another note, the map currently displayed is misleading at best; it seems to depict the entire South Korean expressway system. -- Visviva 13:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

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Origin of Bone Rank system as an evidence of North Asian Buyeo elites as founders?
What is interesting in Silla founding myths is that the royal title for the first ten or so kings: Geoseoghan, Chachaung, Isageum, Maripghan. To me they sound like Romanization of Kasikhan / Khaghan / Iskhan / Malik Khan into Chinese characters. changing of ch to k and vice versa is observed even in Europe, where Latin pronunciation for "C" evelved from K to CH over centuries ("Celetes" as pronounced in modern Italian and Church latin) Change Chachaung's "ch into k, and you have Kakaung, or Khakan.

Also interesting is the centuries old fixation on preserving their pure lineage among the royalty /nobility using the bonk rank system, that still pervades modern Korean language "bbyeodae gip eun jib an". Possibly early Silla society was ruled by a foreign people who were niticeably different in appearance, who sought to preserve their "superiority" by keeping a pure lineage. Based on modern DNA evidence, perhaps the Seonggol (divine bone) ruling class came from the North (Buyeo) bringing Central Asian horse riding culture, and possibly possessing the Y-DNA C-M217, as opposed to the southern agricultural DNA of O2b and O3? Maybe this explains the wider dispersion of C-M217 in the southern part of the peninsula, where legends indicate the founder of Baekje also came form Buyeo (SW Korea)... Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krusader6 (talk • contribs) 03:21, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
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I want the summary of silla of Korean history Chris morez (talk) 21:38, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Romanization
What's going on with this romanization. Wiktionary seems to say this is Shinra or something like that, but I'm not sure why "Silla" is used. What is the proper Korean spelling (in RR, MR, and Yale) for this? WhisperToMe 02:33, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * To understand this, one must enter the nasty intellectual bramble-patch of Korean phonology. The name is 신라 in Hangul, Silla in RR, Shilla in MR, and something foolish in Yale.  The first syllable is romanized Sin or Shin, the second Ra.  However, due to an assimilation rule, n + r (ㄴ + ㄹ) = ll (ㄹㄹ).  So 신라 (Sin-ra) is pronounced 실라 (Silla), and romanized accordingly.  -- Visviva 03:00, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * We Koreans pronounce it "실라", which is most certainly "Shilla," which rhymes with Villa or Chinchilla. It's not that it merely "sounds that way to the western ear" as the article indicates.  -201.1.40.143 (talk) 22:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Number of blocks in Cheomseongdae
User:Silsor has dropped in a comment that "some sources say" the observatory is made from 366 blocks, rather than 362. However, after a cursory look around, I can't find anything that indicates there are any number other than 362. Does anyone know the basis for the alternative count? -- Visviva 03:00, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I've tried to count them, but gave up after about a hundred ;) We need references for such a claim (366). Kokiri 6 July 2005 09:21 (UTC)

 * Found a reference, added it to the Cheomseongdae article. Now I want to find a reference that will actually explain the discrepancy... -- Visviva 14:28, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Wokou?
According to the text, "Facing pressure from Baekje in the west, in 400, Silla allied with Goguryeo to attack Baekje and Japanese Wokou pirates."

However, the article on Wokou states that "Wōkòu (Chinese: 倭寇; Japanese pronunciation: wakō; Korean pronunciation: 왜구 waegu) were pirates who raided the coastlines of China and Korea from the 13th century onwards."

Is there some way that this can be harmonised? Either the use of the word Wokou is an anachronism (i.e., it is extending the name back through history to a time when it had not come into use) and a different term should be used, or the article on Wokou fails to give a complete picture and should mention these earlier bouts of Wokou activity. Bathrobe 04:14, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Bathrobe, please see
The word Wokou has been used by Koreans all times to describe the Japanese Bucanners-it is even used today, in very insulting terms to refer to the Japanese, next to monkey. Didigo10

Cleanup
I placed this under cleanup because I felt coverage was spotty and all the sections needed to be pulled together, added to, and to an extent reorganizaed. I am working on getting the middle period narrative but later period has not been begun.

Straitgate 06:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Silla and the Jurchen
I find the remarks on supposedly Korean origins of the Jin dynasty wide of the mark. First, the claims about the similarity between Aisin Gioro and Silla sound extremely speculative. Second, strictly speaking, Nurhaci was not the founder of the Qing, but of the later Jin. One of his sons, later changed the name of the dynasty to Qing and created the name Manchu. Third, what is ethnic homogeneity between Manchus and Koreans supposed to mean? They don't even speak the same language.

In sum, these claims like they were taken from the works of Sin Chae'ho, who wanted to claim Manchuria for Korea. Just quoting the Manzhou yuanliu kao is not sufficient, a chapter and a page reference should be given. (I doubt that the author of this paragraph has read that book. Furthermore, Manzhou yuanliu kao was written in the 18th century in order to create a history of the Manchu, so anything that book say about Korean kingdom some eight hundred years earlier should be taken with some caution. If no credible source is quoted, I suggest that this paragraph be deleted.--Niohe 15:22, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I wrote the paragraph regarding the legacy of Silla through Kim Hambo. A historical text called the Jin Shi states it as well. Kim Hambo, a descendant of Silla, left Goryeo and entered Manchuria at the age of 60, but his brother stayed behind in Goryeo. This descendant of Silla married and had children and his 8th generation descendant was Kim Aguta, who was the founder of the Jin Empire. This isn't something that I decided to make up from the top of my head. I actually did some reading, and no i did not read Sin Chaeho's analysis of Manchuria history. I didn't know such a book existed. Aisin Gioro and Silla. Numerous historians have discovered it to be true. Aisin Gioro has many different meanings. Aisin Gioro means "Golden Clan", which can be translated to Geum clan. Geum is the equivalent of the Korean surname Kim. Another meaning of Aisin Gioro is "Love Silla and never forget it." I'm not completely sure about the "never forget it" part because i didn't directly cite it, but its very close to the true meaning. And the Manchu and Korean do not have the same language as you said, but that doesn't mean that they aren't connected. They come from the same language family and have SIMILAR but not the same languages. There's a difference. Just as the countries that speak Germanic languages do not share the SAME language, but they have similar lingual elements that have led historians and scientists to come to the conclusion that they come from the same lingual family and must have had a root language at some point in history. The Chinese do not share the same language either. There are numerous languages spoken in China due to the fact that numerous ethnic groups live within China. How can those that are not Han Chinese be called Chinese? They live within the country that is known today as the People's Democratic Republic of China, more commonly known as China. Nurhaci did not establish the Qing Empire. His son and successor Huang Taiji changed the state-name to Qing in 1636. Similar to how Dae Jung-sang established the first kingdom known as "Later Goguryeo", and his son Dae Joyeong changed the state-name to the Great Jin kingdom, also known as Balhae. Or also how Genghis Khan did not establish the Yuan Dynasty, but is still considered a founder. If that still gets in your way, then I'll change it and be extra specific. --Kprideboi 18:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

 * I thought Silla fought Japanese pirates. Good friend100 00:19, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

 * original Jurchen clans (various Tungusic tribes) shared same ethnic line with Koreans; 70% of Korean people are from Tungusic clans, that originally migrated to Korean peninsula and thus even later languages became different, genetically Jurchen shared closest to Korean people than anyone else. --Korsentry 03:23, 11 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by KoreanSentry (talk • contribs)

Redirect from Shinra?
Please comment on whether Shinra should be a redirect to this article at Talk:Shinra. (It's a common spelling in late 19th and early 20th century books, for example.) Right now, the page Shinra discusses a fictional corporation from Final Fantasy VII; I have proposed that be moved to Shinra Electric Power Company instead. Cheers, cab 21:26, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Technical problem
In my Firefox 2.0.0.12, all the edit buttons of the History part appear together behind the list of monarchs, behind the title of the Culture part.

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Longest Dynasty?
The opening paragraph states that Silla was the "longest sustained dynasty in Asian history." What is the basis for this claim? For example, the Wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynasty#Japan gives the rule of the Emperor of Japan as lasting from 606 BC to the present. This is longer than the period of 57 BC-935 AD for Silla. Should the "longest sustained dynasty" claim for Silla be removed or qualified in some way? 76.209.130.154 (talk) 16:25, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

I note that even in the Korea part of the Dynasty article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynasty#Korea, Gojoseon is listed as having a longer period of rule (2333-108 BCE) than Silla. Perhaps Gojoseon was not a single sustained dynasty, so it may not belong in the "Dynasty" list. Should the "Dynasty" article be edited also? 76.209.130.154 (talk) 17:42, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

At the very least, I have added a link from Silla to the Dynasty article, so interested persons can investigate these claims themselves. 76.209.130.154 (talk) 18:22, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

 * I expected some sort of response, but since I got none, I will go ahead and qualify "longest sustained dynasty" to read "one of the longest sustained dynasties" since this appears to be true. 76.209.130.154 (talk) 16:30, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

The Japanese Emperor is (throughout history) really more of a religious figure with almost no political or military power, so comparing his/her reign to a traditional dynasty is questionable. Of course, many dynasties, especially modern ones, turn into figureheads, but Japan seems to have been that way for most of the Imperial families existence, and indeed the word Emperor seems to have been ill chosen. 75.94.224.91 (talk) 18:13, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

"Shifting of power" section
I have taken the liberty of removing the most egregious and quite trivially false claims, but I would strongly recommend that this section be deleted as it is not only unsourced and questionable, but irrelevant to the part of the article at hand (it would be better treated as a topic under "Society and politics" if it is to be treated at all). --Tyrannus Mundi (talk) 01:23, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Chinese Elite
The Bei Shi records that Silla elite were of partially Chinese descent and that the population was partially Chinese.

"新罗者，其先本辰韩种也. 地在高丽东南，居汉时乐浪地. 辰韩亦曰秦韩. 相传言秦世亡人避役来适，马韩割其东界居之，以秦人，故名之曰秦韩. 其言语名物， 有似中国人. ....其文字、甲兵，同于中国 "

"Silla came from Zhen Han. Its southeast of Koguryo, belonging to the Lelang prefecture during Han. According to a common saying, after Qin fell, many people came as refugees. Ma Han took the eastern part of its territory and gave it to them, because they are Qin people, they are also called Qin Han(another name for Zhen Han). Their language and words used to describe things are similar to the Chinese...their writing, armament, are the same as China's."

"其人杂有华夏、高丽、百济之属"

"there were Chinese, Koguryo, and Paekche people" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.63.125 (talk) 19:27, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

"Shilla"
The usage and primary topic of is under discussion, see talk:Shilla (6132m) -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 05:40, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

What excavation?
The last paragraph of "Society and politics," about "items uncovered during the excavation," seems to be a non sequitur. It looks like it was added last April in a significant edit by a since-blocked IP address. I think it's supposed to be part of the material discussed under "Foreign relations" but if so, it's out of order. B.adkins (talk) 18:55, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Population?
It seems population is poorly sourced for this article, specifically in that some of them reference the Samguk Sagi without providing a direct citation/online citation which would be preferrable. I'll look for some myself later but if anyone has statistics already would appreciate adding citations to the population of Silla Sunnyediting99 (talk) 15:36, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Any updates on this? If anyone has reliable population stats I would appreciate it Sunnyediting99 (talk) 02:23, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

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Suggestion for merge
Les talk about it at Talk:Names of Seoul --Appletrees (talk) 13:36, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Why not Keijo?
It was Japanese city, so it should be called in Japanese way.Elmor_rus (talk) 12:16, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was merge to Names of Seoul. This can be accomplished by any interested editor. See also Talk:Names of Seoul, where this has already been discussed. Aervanath (talk) 07:31, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Gyeongseong → Keijo — Relisting to gain more input. Jafeluv (talk) 06:42, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

As I said before, this article is about the time then Korea was a part of Japan, so it seems to be more natural to call the city in Japanese way. Also, according to Google, "Keijo" is used 10 times more often than "Gyeongseong" and old maps, such as this one use the name "Keijo". Elmor_rus (talk) 17:51, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Oppose merge it to Names of Seoul instead. 70.29.208.69 (talk) 21:17, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't oppose a move but prefer a merge to Names of Seoul with both names redirecting there (rather than Seoul or somewhere else). The nominator is right that "Keijo" is far more likely to be an English search term than "Gyeongseong."  —   AjaxSmack   03:10, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. As I'm sure you'll notice when looking at the results, your Google search for "keijo korea" brings up a lot of unrelated hits. Keijo is a common first name in Finland. Incidentally, "korea" is also a Finnish word for "pretty". Jafeluv (talk) 08:00, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
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title: Talk:Gyeongseong


text: Talk:Gyeongwon Line

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Talk:Haeinsa

Rarely seen statue
According to, , , there's a Buddha statue that's rarely seen by outsiders; recently it was opened for the public for several weeks. I will upload some pictures from a friend shortly. The statue should likely be mentioned in the article. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:43, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Ham Seok-heon

Nobel Peace Prize
Being nominated for the Peace Prize is an honor, but it is not official and not necessarily prestigious. Any national legislator or about a third of the university professors in the world can make a nomination, and there have been as many as 140 some years. Nominators are requested to keep their nominations secret, so it's only those wishing publicity who make announcements. Altogether, I see no reason to keep it. No offense to the subject, this is a general Nobel Peace Prize "nominees" issue. -Willmcw 07:49, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * He was nominated twice for the Nobel Peace Prize,

 * I understand your point - I knew about the nominations because I'm Quaker myself, and heard about the nomination from the AFSC, who brought it forward after the usual amount of Quakerly discussion. --Dan 18:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Extensive Bio
My stars, editor Wadans, what a contribution! Could you sign up as a wikipedia editor, create a user page and discussion page so those of us who also do a little work on this topic can communicate with you more easily? I would like to see the bio split up with headings a bit more, and if you could add in the sources for your quotes that would be great. I expect the hangul romanization police will be by shortly, and my suggestion is to not resist ;-) Very nice work, though - soogo manee, manee hessumnida. A friend of mine, a Korean Quaker, who was friends with Teacher Hahm, informs me that another former friend, Quaker Floyd Schmoe, was instrumental in founding the Seoul Friends Meeting with Teacher Hahm. --Dan (talk) 17:16, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

 * That material originates from a copyrighted website, and with no evidence that Wadens is the copyright holder I have therefore removed it. PC78 (talk) 19:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:Han

HAN
HAN is an acronym for Home Area Network, as used by Smart Meters BioImages2000 (talk) 17:30, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

people named Han
If you want to add the list of historical people named Han, add it to Han (surname). Hanfresco 04:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge Hän (disambiguation) into Han (disambiguation)
I suggest that the two item disambiguation page Hän (disambiguation) be merged into this one, since it is a variant spelling and very small. Most of the time these variations are covered by the main disambiguation page, unless it becomes unwieldly large. -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 06:14, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:TWODABS proscribes two-item dab pages; this one should never have been created and is the work of the author of NCL's passage which "justified" this move/creation, even though it created a violation of TWODABS. They cannot be merged as people and language articles are to be separate, the solution is a hatnote on Hän language.  This title should be for what is now Hän people as per Talk:Hän people.Skookum1 (talk) 07:30, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
 * It's a disambiguation page, not a people or language article. I don't see why we can't merge that disambiguation page into this disambiguation page. -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 05:56, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

title: Talk:Han