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User:Cecropia

I am placing some of my previous writings that I feel are superseded, unimportant in current context, or just plain moldy, in /Cecropia rants and mouldy fluff archive 1 in the interests of transparency, rather than simply delete them.

My long Wikibreak
Those who know how prolific I was "Back in the Day" may wonder what happened to me. Back in 2004, Jimbo had recently expressed a desire to have a class of users who could handle the administrative end of overseeing Requests for Adminship (then often inaccurately called "sysops" and actually "flipping the switch" to create a user as an Admin. The first Bureaucrats were appointed but that chore too was became a poll of the community. So I was in the early class of Elected rather than Appointed Bureaucrats,

My production was driven by my love of the encyclopedia, my joy of contribution, the feeling I was doing something important, and my engagement with many other Wikipedians.

At that Wikipedia felt very much like a project on training wheels, and it had yet to gain respect as a source. Students dared not quote Wikipedia as a source.

I had the time to do extensive work in the article space, as well as engaging the community as an Admin and a 'Crat. Part of that was because I had a going business as a Data Industry Consultant. The industry made a number of changes and gradually I was forced into semi-retirement (euphemism for underemployed/unemployed). By 2008 things became harder as I sought other work and employment If you actually believe there are laws to prevent employment discrimination against people over 40 (U.S.), try finding work in an industry, especially a tech industry, when you are 62. There are many ways to avoid hiring an older person without triggering the law. Perhaps I'll write an essay one day, but not now. Suffice to say I found a job (at much less pay) that offered medical and other benefits to sustain my family. The person who hired me overlooked the common fear that I would only be there a few years. Upshot: I've been there almost 15 years now, working full time.

Still Around
Still flapping around; these newfangled Compact Fluorescents are a little less dangerous than the old Edison bulbs. -- Cheers! Cecropia (talk) 16:12, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

I am not going to make a Mark Twain-esque comment. I am glad that (some) Wikipedians care enough to list me as a Missing Wikipedian, but I'm still around and even hoping to get back in the game before too very long. Moths are reputed to have a short lifespan, but not this one. Cheers, Cecropia (talk) 22:37, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

I am the same old Cecropia, but currently still engaged in personal stuff that needs attention, as well as my vocations, which I find rewarding as well as necessary, eating-wise.

I am delighted the way in which Wikipedia is evolving into a real encyclpedia of depth and diversity, but I still wouldn't accept it as a primary source. ;-) Cecropia (talk) 17:56, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Just to update: Hello to all my Wikifriends, including those I haven't met yet. I'm kind of sad I haven't had the time to participate as I'd like to in Wikipedia in what has obviously been an exciting and productive two years. It's my desire to return when circumstances permit to resume contributing, admining, and bureaucraticing. Cheers! Cecropia (talk) 20:44, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Wikibreak
I am on extended Wikibreak, doing real life stuff that requires attention. I promise to have more of a presence when I'm able. Cheers, Cecropia (talk) 13:13, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I am still up to my proboscis in "stuff," but I hope to gradually get my wings wetter in Wikipedia with my Wikifriends. -- Cecropia (talk) 15:52, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Getting a bit more active this week. Gad, my user page is going to start looking like twitter. - Cecropia (talk) 23:40, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Hope
Someone once said that Man can live without anything but hope. I got to thinking about how I was in the stage of life where your great hopes have either been fulfilled or else withered. I still have hopes now, but they are much more modest. I am not nearly dead yet, and I may yet accomplish some of the unfulfilled dreams of my life; I still have a chance to "make a difference in the world." But if the adage about man not being able to live without hope is true, what sustains my life? Are my diminished hopes reflective of a diminished life?

I think of my children. Of my children's friends. The hope of youth. The world wide open. Their happy laughter. Even their frettings about life and love and the future; their fear of disappointments are evidence of hope. No hope; no disappointment.

Suddenly I understand why we have children. Their hope is my hope. The hope of their generation is my hope also. With children the old are directed outward instead of inward. Embracing children: my own; of others; of people I will never see or meet, means that the world does not end when I end. Their hope lives on, and in turn is passed on, to the end of time.

Admin advice: Page Protection and Unprotection
You'll get a different answer from different admins. Wikipolicy is that page protection is bad, so that pages should be protected only when absolutely necessary (to stop immediate vandalism or a major revert war) and/or when requested to do so by editors on both sides of a disagreement in an article who want a "time out" to work out differences.

Unprotection is even more of an art, much more so than bureaucracy, which is pretty dull except when there is a heated disagreement. My opinion is:

 * If the article was protected because of constant vandalism, try unprotecting after 24 hours, but be ready to reprotect for another 24 hours if it resumes.
 * If unprotection is requested by one of the editors on an article after a content dispute, see what the requester's reasoning is. If the request is from only one of the editors, ask (on the article's talk page) whether it is generally agreed the page should be unprotected.
 * If unprotection hasn't been requested but you see there has been no discussion for a week or so, propose unprotection on the talk page of the article. Say "without objection, I intend to unprotect this article in (whenever, "soon," 6 hours, 12 hours, 24 hours) and then do it if there's no flak.

IMO, you will rarely go wrong as an admin if, before you take a possibly disputed action, you are confident you can defend it as though you were actually being paid to do this. ;-)

Admin advice: Threatening a Block
The question was raised: If an admin tells an editor that he must stop a certain behavior or be blocked from editing, and the editor does not stop the behavior, must the admin block him or her?

 * 1) First, do not threaten a block unless you are confident that the behavior is worthy of a block.
 * 2) Once you are determined that a block is appropriate, I would first tell the user that he is subject to a block: i.e., "Please do not vandalize Wikipedia. Persistent vandalism may cause you to be blocked from editing."
 * 3) Once you have given the first warning (or if another admin has already given a warning) then it is appropriate to be more firm in your wording: "Please stop vandalizing Wikipedia. If you persist, you will be blocked."
 * 4) Now to the answer the question of whether you must block after issuing the second warning and observing (after a short time to reasonably believe that the offender has received the second warning) that the behavior continues, you must block. If you don't, then there is no point in making the threat in the first place.
 * Caveat: Of course, if you encounter someone who is actively engaged in rampant vandalism, you may have no choice but to block immediately, and then inform the user why it was done.

Articles I started
Here are the articles I began, best as I can figure out. I've tried to avoid stubs and redirects—i.e., these were started with at least some useful content, sometimes a lot, and sometimes I added to the articles later.

I have slowly begun adding articles that I didn't start but have written from stubs, marked with * or have significantly rewritten or added to, marked with a †.

Useful links

 * Policy Library
 * Cite your sources
 * Verifiability
 * Wikiquette
 * Conflict resolution
 * Brilliant prose
 * Neutral point of view
 * Pages needing attention
 * Peer review
 * Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense
 * Village pump
 * Boilerplate text

Full disclosure: I cribbed these from Sam Spade. Thanks, Sam!

Some thoughts on Wikipedia and Wikis
I'm fascinated by Wiki's ability to become a storehouse of knowledgeable arcana that usually receives short shrift in other encyclopedias. If arcana aren't exactly the bricks of the house of knowledge, they're at least the pebbles in the mortar.

I find this a wonderful experiment in establishing a free, useful resource for the wide world. Even edit wars and an overall bias that may be seen in certain articles can be useful for future scholars and historians (since the edit history is all archived) to see what arguments were raging at a given point in time and to try to assess the positions and biases of the (often faceless) protagonists for one view or another.

Some of personal curiosities for the future of Wikis include:
 * will contentious articles even out in the end, or will they end up representing the POV of the most persistent?
 * will the unspoken, even unconscious, biases of whoever constitutes the bulk of contributors eventually drive away honest contributors who adhere to a different view?
 * will a valuing system eventually be placed on articles?
 * will Wikis resist becoming hierarchical or "clubby"?
 * will hard-and-fast rules begin to replace consensus?
 * like other new and exciting ideas, like ... erm ... Marxism, will we one day see a WikiInc® keeping the framework but destroying the intent of Wikipedia? (eventually to be bought out by a Microsoft)?
 * sort of like the above, will a wonderful and well-thought out experiment someday see its Jimbos replaced by its Josefs?

If anyone has thoughts on these issues, please place them in my Talk, not here.

Interests
I've been writing or editing on a wide if odd mix of subjects of interest, including (in no particular order) Great Expectations, Egg Creams, Coney Island Creek, Anti-Semitism, Autism, Freedomland U.S.A., Dog catcher, Jukes and Kallikaks, Multiple-unit train control, Good (accounting), L. Sprague de Camp, Terrorism, Law of land warfare, Vietnam war, The Fall of the House of Usher, The Shining, Kristallnacht, Red herring, Yellow ribbon, Asymmetric warfare, Jane Fonda, John Kerry, Illegal combatant, Autistic savant,  Political subdivisions of New York State, War crime, Wesley Clark, George W. Bush, Brooklyn-Manhattan Transit Corporation, New York subway, Fulton Fish Market,  General Motors Streetcar Conspiracy, Malbone Street Wreck, Atlantic Avenue Tunnel, and others I'm too lazy to think of at the moment.

I have a POV about certain subjects which I try to be open about; no point really, people usually see through users who make obviously partisan changes under rubrics such as "the article is too big," "this belongs somewhere else," and my favorite: "I don't have a POV, everybody else has a POV." :) But I have been writing for a long time (my first paid article was written for the long-extinct New York Journal-American) and I make an effort for my edits and contributions to be NPOV or to balance existing POV, to be accurate and, if controversial, to be well-documented. At any rate, I stand behind the integrity of anything I write.

Personal stuff
Since I'm pushing social security age, I've worn a lot of hats in my lifetime. The only more or less common thread that's moved in and out of my life is programming and computers. When I began in the trade, COBOL and Fortran were the thing, and loading your program meant begging a cranky Univac not to chew your punch cards. Now I'm very next Tuesday with Linux and web services and all. Learning UNIX back when was a big help and I'm a Novell CNE, which I guess is also kind of dinosaurish now.

But I've also been:
 * A typographer (set type by just about every means there is except Monotype)
 * A printing foreman
 * A military instructor in the U.S. Army
 * A military policeman
 * A technical writer
 * A transportation analyst
 * A writer of local social, physical and political history
 * A rescuer of fair maidens
 * A husband and father, unexpectedly perhaps my favorite role

Politically, my family was liberal/socialist. I was a lifetime Democrat, but dropped my registration in 1998 and am now officially an Independent. I am a 50-year plus labor union member and former union steward. I have libertarian leanings but am too libertarian to join that or any other party any more. I retain my liberal belief in the basic goodness of humans but also feel that people sometimes poison their minds when they adhere to groups instead of seeing others as individuals.

I have been involved in advocacy and public speaking on various topics across the political spectrum. I am the father of an autistic child and am interested in the science, education, and social treatment of those with different and altered abilities.

Favorite quotes
''I'm afraid some of these are necessarily quite heavily paraphrased, where I don't have access to the original quote. Presented in no particular order.''

 * The father of an old friend, who told his teenaged son, as they were about to depart for "resettlement in the east" during wartime Germany: "Have courage. Everyone dies. It's just a matter of when." The father, son and his brother survived. The friend's mother and sister were murdered.
 * Bob Dylan, early in his career, commented on the bevy of pundits and critics who were trying to "expose" him: "Don't they understand? I expose myself every time I walk on the stage."
 * William J. Ronan, once head of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (New York): "What small bits of power people fight over."
 * My dad, when I was about to pursue our family dog under the couch: "Don't follow him there. Even an animal needs a safe place."
 * Also my dad, after I had lost a favorite toy: "Don't be too upset about something that can be replaced with only money. The most important things can't."
 * Paul McCartney, commenting on his attitude toward rumors of The Beatles reforming: "You can't rewarm a souffle."

Favorite poems
The night has a thousand eyes, And the day but one; Yet the light of the bright world dies With the dying sun.

The mind has a thousand eyes, And the heart but one: Yet the light of a whole life dies When love is done. —Francis William Bourdillon

And only if my own true love was waiting and if I could hear her heart a'softly pounding Only if she were lying by me could I rest in my bed once again —Bob Dylan, "Tomorrow is a Long Time"

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Talk:Dušan Džamonja

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Questions about dzamonja.jpg:

What's the copyright status of this image? Is it a photo of Dzamonja by someone else? A self-portrait? A sculpture by hum of someone else? An image caption would be useful here.Vicki Rosenzweig 15:59, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
 * It's him, and some of his "work" (I won't be cynical re modern art), some metallic trash and dustbins, whatever, in front of him. Dont worry about copyright. I scanned the pic from a promo-book.Maybe the title would be "Dzamonja behind abstractions in steel".Mir Harven 01:53, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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Anthony Maglica

Anthony "Tony" Maglica (Croatian:  Ante Maglica) (born 1930 ) is the owner and founder of Mag Instrument Inc, the company that manufactures the Maglite flashlight which was designed by Maglica. The Maglite is a powerful and durable flashlight that has become standard issue gear used by police officers in the USA.

Early life
Although born in New York City, Maglica grew up on the island of Zlarin, which is off the coast of Croatia. During the Great Depression, his family returned to their homeland. World War II ravaged Croatia, and in 1950 he returned to the United States, settling in Ontario, California. Speaking little English, he obtained work as a machinist. While working there, he learned that one of his bosses operated a side business machining hydraulic parts. Tony learned of a metal lathe for sale for $1000 and convinced the seller to accept a $125 deposit, most of his money at the time, with the remainder being paid off with monthly payments.

That business grew into his own machine shop which he incorporated in 1974 called Mag Instrument Inc. Here he met Claire Halasz, his future partner in life and in business, when he hired her to decorate his machine shop. Although they didn't marry, Claire would eventually reside with him and take his surname. She had two sons, Stephen and Christopher, and one daughter, Jackie, who would come to know Tony as their stepfather.

Family Affairs
As the Maglite became popular and the company grew, Mag Instruments Inc. became a family operated company with Tony as President, Claire operating the marketing, personnel and purchasing departments, and Claire's sons, Stephen and Christopher Halasz, holding positions in the company as Vice President and Director of Research and Development, respectively.

In 1992 though, there was a shakeup at the company when Claire discovered that Tony had been arranging to leave the company to his children from a previous marriage upon his death. This started a bitter family battle that would last over a decade and result in Claire and her sons leaving the company, Claire filing a palimony lawsuit against Tony for $200 million, and Claire's sons starting their own flashlight company in 1997.

Palimony lawsuit
In 1992, after learning of Maglica's business plans, their relationship ended and Claire filed a palimony suit for, among other things, breach of contract, breach of partnership agreement, fraud, breach of fiduciary duty and quantum meruit in Orange County Superior Court seeking $200 million in damages. The lawsuit went to jury trial, covered by Court TV to large and involved audiences, awarded Claire $84 million in the Spring of 1994.

The judgment was appealed to the California Courts of Appeal where, in 1998, was reversed and remanded. The court stated that the award was incorrect because the damages should have been the value of her services, not the amount of the benefit of her services. After being remanded and requiring a new trial, Claire settled with Mag Instrument Inc in 2000 for $29 million.

Claire's sons and Bison Sportslights, Inc.
Claire's sons, Stephen and Christopher Halasz, were eventually forced to leave their positions at Mag Instrument, Inc. due to the souring relationship with Tony Maglica. In 1997, the brothers founded Bison Sportslights Inc in Denver, Colorado, seeking to remedy the problem of the "flashlight blackhole"; the dark area at the center of lens adjustable flashlights. The brothers released a product that demonstrated some efficacy to the problem, but were sued in 2002 by Mag Instrument Inc in Mag Instrument Inc. v. Bison Sportslights Inc et al. Central District Court of California, Case # CV-023187 for stealing trade secrets learned while working at Mag Instrument, Inc. and trying to poach employees.

Bison Sportslights, Inc. were found liable for willful and malicious misappropriation of trade secrets, malicious breach of confidence, malicious false advertising, and malicious unfair competition. Bison had a permanent injunction entered against it and Mag Instrument, Inc. was awarded $1.2 million for damages and attorney's fees.

Bison Sportslights, Inc. is no longer in business.

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John Beynon

John Beynon may refer to:
 * Jackie Beynon (John Alfred Beynon, 1909–1937), Welsh footballer
 * Sir John Beynon, 1st Baronet (1864–1944), Welsh industrialist
 * A pen name of the British novelist John Wyndham (1903–1969)
 * John Beynon (academic) (born 1939), principal of King's College London (1990–1992)
 * John H. Beynon (1923–2015), Welsh scientist in the field of mass spectrometry
 * John Beynon (poet), British poet who won the Eric Gregory Award

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Wave velocity

Wave velocity may refer to:
 * Phase velocity, the velocity at which a wave phase propagates
 * Pulse wave velocity, the velocity at which a pulse travels through a medium, usually applied to arteries as a measure of arterial stiffness
 * Group velocity, the propagation velocity for the envelope of wave groups and often of wave energy, different from the phase velocity for dispersive waves
 * Signal velocity, the velocity at which a wave carries information
 * Front velocity, the velocity at which the first rise of a pulse above zero moves forward

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User:Evercat/Plautus

This page stopped being updated on February 22, and does not cover later edits.

 * But I'm in the process of updating it again...

Plautus satire pages: (or, We are being trolled)

A brief list of conflicts User:Plautus satire is involved in, with his alleged beliefs on the subject. This is not so much designed to prove that his beliefs are all ridiculous - it is more designed to prove he's a troll, here simply for the purpose of stirring up trouble.

 * Conspiracy theories:
 * Space Shuttle Columbia disaster - Was shot down.
 * September 11, 2001 attacks - Just a "fable" that there were 19 Muslim hijackers. No evidence to connect Bin Laden or Al Qaeda to the attack. Apparently, the Israelis did it.
 * Apollo moon landing hoax accusations - Landing never occurred. At least this is relevant to the page. :-)

 * Science:
 * Black hole - No such thing exists.
 * Big Bang - Never occurred.
 * Quasar - Yet again, the scientific mainstream is wrong.
 * Laser star hypothesis - To correct the above. No Google hits for this phrase. Only 57 for "laser star theory".
 * Oh, and Hubble is a spy satelite.
 * Gravastar - And another example.
 * Albert Einstein - Plagiarist and charlatan.
 * Astronomy - Minor. Can't say "impact crater" on the moon, since they're caused by plasma.
 * (Everything seems to be caused by plasma, according to Plautus)
 * Tornado - More plasma.

Last 50 contributions (or last 500)

Other notes:

 * See also: Requests for comment/Plautus satire

 * Plautus has apparently been banned from at least 2 "moon landing hoax" discussion forums. A large archive of some of the posts from the Yahoo forum exists, and shows repeated trolling.

 * After he accused me of repeatedly complaining about altering context in talk pages, I asked him where I had done so, as I could only remember one such incident. Of course, he replies by altering the context of the talk page.  This is blatant trolling.

 * User:Silsor/fanmail makes for interesting reading.

Repeatedly trolled my talk page.

 * Quote Plautus: "silsor, you're a lying mother fucker."

Users who have reverted Plautus at least once (in no particular order):

 * User:Evercat
 * User:VeryVerily
 * User:Curps
 * User:Rmhermen
 * User:PMelvilleAustin
 * User:Morwen
 * User:67.70.170.207 or User:67.70.167.75 (probably the same person)
 * User:Isomorphic
 * User:SheikYerBooty
 * User:Jwrosenzweig
 * User:Cyp
 * User:Texture
 * User:Silsor
 * User:Raul654

Presumably he would have everyone believe that he's behaved impeccably and it's all these people who are behaving badly. He's wasting all our time.

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User talk:Misitek~enwiki

Welcome
Hello, welcome to Wikipedia.

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If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my talk page. If you made any edits before you got an account, you might be interested in assigning those to your username. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian!

 * If you made any edits before you got an account, you might be interested in assigning those to your username.

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Again, welcome! - UtherSRG 16:14, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Misitek. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Misitek~enwiki that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name. If you think you might own all of the accounts with this name and this message is in error, please visit Special:MergeAccount to check and attach all of your accounts to prevent them from being renamed.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

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Renamed
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User talk:06joeywong

Welcome
Hello, welcome to Wikipedia.

You might find these links helpful in creating new pages or helping with the above tasks: How to edit a page, How to write a great article, Naming conventions, Manual of Style. You should read our policies at some point too.

If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my talk page. If you made any edits before you got an account, you might be interested in assigning those to your username. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian!

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Again, welcome! - UtherSRG 16:14, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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User talk:53jacktang

Welcome
Hello, welcome to Wikipedia.

You might find these links helpful in creating new pages or helping with the above tasks: How to edit a page, How to write a great article, Naming conventions, Manual of Style. You should read our policies at some point too.

If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my talk page. If you made any edits before you got an account, you might be interested in assigning those to your username. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian!

 * If you made any edits before you got an account, you might be interested in assigning those to your username.

 * You can sign your name using three tildes, like this: . If you use four, you can add a datestamp too.

 * If you ever think a page or image should be deleted, please list it at the votes for deletion page. There is also a votes for undeletion page if you want to retrieve something that you think should not have been deleted.

Again, welcome! - UtherSRG 16:14, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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User talk:Ace Diamond

Hey Ace, I'm new to wickipedia, and, your right about this not being the place for discussion. Pattyman 02:01, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Welcome to WikiProject Politics!
Ace (if I may), apologies for not personally welcoming you to the project yet, and many thanks for signing up on the day of its inception (and your remark on the Portal talk page). Both the Portal and WikiProject pages are more or less up and running now, and the project page has a list of start-up tasks on there. At the moment, my main concern is to compile all categories relating to Politics and somehow present a useful selection of these on the Portal, but it would be just as helpful to start adding other tasks on the project page to keep everyone busy.

I changed the participants list shortly after you signed up to include a space for users to note down where their interests lie, so I don't know what areas you'll focus on most. But once the dust has settled and we've all got a clearer picture of what can be improved, all help will be most appreciated. Thanks, --HighHopes (T)⋅ [ (+)] ⋅(C)⋅(E) 11:07, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Politics
I've put a notice on the Project page to suggest the Project be closed down. Shortly after starting it up I was away for over a month, and on returning realised that it's just too broad - looking at some of the more successful projects, they all focus on a narrow area were WP's content was significantly lacking and would therefore benefit from a concerted collaborative effort.

I do, however, intend to maintain the Portal and keep it updated. If you would like to help with this, drop a note at the Portal talkpage (or mine). I would like to set up a notice board of sorts to organise the efforts of those who want to keep the Portal going - apart from regularly showcasing new content and the news, those involved with the Portal can still help with things like voting for FA status and so forth, so it'd be good if you want to help out in this area. Thanks, --HighHopes (T)⋅ [ (+) ] ⋅(C)⋅(E)⋅(P) 13:19, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

About WikiProject Politics
Hello, I noticed that you signed up for the Politics project. I would like your input on a notice template that I am working on, you can see it here. I have had some trouble finding a suitable image for it, so if you know of a more appropriate image or if you can suggest any changes that might improve the template, please drop a line. --Robert Harrisontalk contrib 06:51, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Democracy disambiguation page
I notice you have made some recent contributions to various politics-related pages. There is currently an attempt to improve the Democracy (disambiguation) page. There are currently entries for a series of articles on periods in American political history (First Party System), etc. One editor is insisting these are "types" of democracy, which need entries along with representative democracy, etc. Would you mind stopping by the Talk page and giving an opinion? Thanks - David Oberst 21:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Update - there is currently a straw poll there as well. Your user page indicated you are a political scientist by training - your input would be quite useful. - David Oberst 19:38, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment
Thanks for your comment re: the definition of politics. I think through discussion, we can get this right. ike9898 03:58, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Tranferred comment by User:Steve Masterson
Hi Tim, Steve Masterson here. I changed the first sentence (and para) of 'politics' from 'Politics is the process by which decisions are made.' to what is there now. In my opinion that is a definition of democracy. Further, I added a second para which describes both the positive and highly popular negative opinions of democracy. Hope you agreed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Steve Masterson (talk • contribs) 02:57, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I have reverted Steve Masterson's unhelpful change to Politics (diff), and moved his comment from your User page here to the Talk page. - David Oberst 19:26, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Politics
Per your comments at Talk:Politics, I'm glad you liked my changes to this article. When I first looked at it, there were no inline citations at all, so it wasn't clear which parts of the article were sourced; I did some extensive research and added a large number of footnotes, and also rewrote parts of the article (especially the intro) for added clarity. I've now nominated it for good article status. I meant to ask you, do you think we should slim down the sections on political power and Weber's classification of authority, as these topics already have their own articles? I was thinking of doing that, but didn't want to act without consensus and/or delete useful content. What do you think? Wal ton  Vivat Regina!  19:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

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Editing the "Sovereignty" paragraph in "Politics"
Hi. I am a Political Science student, and I'm not familiar with definitions of "sovereignty" which fall beyond the scope of my field of study. Anyway, I agree with you that the previous paragraph was a bit too verbose, but I'm wondering whether your definition of sovereignty as "control over a sphere of influence" can be correct. I think the concept of "sphere of influence" is a bit too vague, and different territories (including independent States) can fall to a greater or lesser degree within the sphere of influence of a State. Romania is generally considered to have been part of the Soviet sphere of influence during the Cold War, but it was still a sovereign State (i.e. the Soviet Union had "influence", but not "sovereignty", over that territory).

I would like to know your opinion about that. Thanks! SFinamore 16:14, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Natural Disasters
No, poverty & illiteracy are not natural disasters; they are terrible problems, but they are chronic, and disasters are transient (hurricanes, earthquakes, &c.). But that is beside the point of my edit; my primary concern with the poverty & illiteracy examples is that they are not universally considered to be "collective needs that cannot be properly satisfied using purely individual means", since they are not subject to the free rider problem (the essence of a public good), while protection from invasion & relief from disasters are. Sketch051 14:51, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

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X Corps (United States)

X Corps was a corps of the United States Army in World War II and the Korean War.

World War II
The X Corps was activated in May 1942 at Sherman, Texas. Elements of the corps embarked aboard Klipfontein, a Dutch ship operating under charter through the War Shipping Administration for the Army. The ship departed the San Francisco Port of Embarkation for the Pacific Theater 14 July 1944 after two changes of station and participation in maneuvers in Louisiana and at the California-Arizona maneuver area.

X Corps took part in the following campaigns: New Guinea, Leyte, and Southern Philippines.

As part of the Sixth Army, X Corps took part in the Philippines campaign of 1944–45, beginning with the invasion of Leyte. For its involvement, the X Corps received the Philippine Presidential Unit Citation with a streamer embroidered 17 October 1944 – 4 July 1945.

X Corps became inactive in 1946.

Inchon landing
During the Korean War, it took part in Operation Chromite, the landings at Inchon, where it had the 1st Marine Division, the 7th Infantry Division and other US Army units under its command. The embryonic planning group for Chromite originally was known to insiders as "Force X" and the entire scheme was cloaked in absolute secrecy; to outsiders, the small planning staff was known only as the Special Planning Staff of general headquarters, Far East Command. As the organization grew, due to bureaucratic entanglements, supply orders were rejected because "Force X" was not referenced as a proper organization anywhere in Army manuals. General of the Army Douglas MacArthur (Supreme Commander Allied Powers) asked his chief of staff, Major General Edward Almond, to suggest a new name. Force X's Roman numeral ten reminded Almond of a corps which had fought under MacArthur in the last war—"why not call it the X Corps?" he asked. MacArthur was delighted and approved of the name. General Almond was subsequently chosen by MacArthur as X Corps' new commander.

The Marines first captured an island offshore of Inchon as a prelude to the assault and at the next tide, the main attack went in. Despite the noise of the attack on the offshore island, it completely surprised the North Korean Korean People's Army (KPA) forces. The Marines then moved on to the capital city of Seoul; in heavy fighting they eventually drove out the KPA defenders. The US Army's 7th Infantry Division, which had landed later at Inchon, engaged the enemy on the outskirts of Seoul, destroying an armored regiment.

Operations in northeast Korea (October–December 1950)
After the landing at Inchon, X Corps attacked up the Korean peninsula on the left flank of Eighth Army. However, in early October it was withdrawn to prepare for another amphibious assault, this time at Wonsan on the eastern coast. This action proved to be a mistake as Republic of Korea Army (ROK) forces moving by land captured Wonsan on 11 October before the X Corps assault went in. The Chinese People's Volunteer Army (PVA) entered the war on the side of North Korea, making their first attacks in late October.

After an administrative landing at Wonsan on 26 October, X Corps, now including the US 3rd Infantry Division, advanced inland northwest towards the Yalu River with the ROK I Corps made up of two ROK Divisions in the far north or right flank. The US 7th Infantry Division was in the center and the US 1st Marine Division on the southern or left flank of the X Corps attack. The 3rd Infantry Division was initially in reserve. As elements of ROK I Corps and 7th Infantry Division closed on the Manchurian border, the 1st Marine Division moved into the Chosin Reservoir (Changjin Ho). The Marines were on both left and right sides of the Changjin reservoir. Regimental Combat Team 31 (RCT 31 also known as Task Force Maclean/Task Force Faith) of the 7th Infantry Division replaced the 5th Marine Regiment on the east side of the reservoir in a piecemeal fashion with only two of its three maneuver battalions in place before heavy engagement with the enemy commenced. X Corps was strung out along many miles in sub-freezing temperatures with the ROK troops and the 7th Infantry Division to the north in contact with PVA forces. RCT 31 was too far from its parent Division for support and without organic tank support and its third maneuver element; it was decimated by the onslaught of the PVA. The 1st Marine Division fared better and with remnants of RCT 31, Army Engineers and X Corps support personnel, began its move to the sea moving through elements of the 3rd Infantry Division (Task Force Dog from the 7th Infantry Regiment, and a reinforced battalion of the 65th Infantry Regiment) who provided flank and rear guard cover for the withdrawing units. The 7th Infantry Division in the center and ROK I Corps on the right flank also began withdrawing to the Hungnam beachhead. The Marines withdrew through the 3d Infantry Division with intermittent contact with PVA forces up to Sudong. The extreme temperatures during this period caused the majority of the casualties for X Corps. The Marines managed to reach the safety of Hungnam first, where the 3rd and 7th Infantry Divisions and I ROK Corps provided perimeter defense. The Marines were evacuated by the middle of December, followed by the 7th Infantry Division, I ROK Corps and the last of the X Corps' elements. The 3d Infantry Division was last to leave the beach and evacuated on 24 December 1950.

It is widely contended that X Corps remained outside of the direct command of Eighth Army too long. X Corps reported directly to the MacArthur had been necessary for the Inchon landings and still defensible for the Wonsan attack. However, after it entered the main line, conventional military doctrine indicated that it should have been placed immediately under the command of Eighth Army. General MacArthur was accused of favoritism towards Almond, the controversial commander of X Corps, who was dual-hatted as the commander of X Corps and MacArthur's chief of staff and his personal friend.

Operations on the eastern front
After the withdrawal from the northeast coast, and once its units had been reconstituted, X Corps went into the line in eastern Korea, and remained there for the rest of the war.

Post-Korean War
In the years following the Korean War, X Corps served as a regional headquarters, having administrative, logistical, and training responsibility for both active and Army Reserve units in the northwestern portion of the Continental United States.

X Corps was inactivated on 31 March 1968, as part of the compromise between U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara who wanted to merge the Army Reserve into the Army National Guard, and the United States Congress who wanted to maintain the Army Reserve as it then existed. Under the compromise plan, all of the combat divisions and most separate combat brigades of the Army Reserve were inactivated with a corresponding increase in the National Guard; at the same time, non-divisional combat support and combat service support units were reallocated in the Army Reserve. The fourteen area corps were inactivated; in their place, eighteen army reserve commands ("ARCOMs") were established. Each ARCOM was, in turn, assigned to one of five continental U.S. armies ("CONUSAs") under Continental Army Command ("CONARC"). The bulk of X Corps' Army Reserve units were assigned to the 124th Army Reserve Command at Fort Lawton, WA.

In popular culture
The US Army Tenth Corps is the name of the main field force featured in Harold Coyle's 1993 techno-thriller "The Ten Thousand". In the novel its ground combat elements are the 55th Mechanized Infantry Division, the 4th Armored Division and the 14th Armored Cavalry Regiment.

Commanders

 * Major General Courtney Hodges; May 1942 to February 1943
 * Major General Jonathan W. Anderson; March 1943 to July 1944
 * Major General Franklin C. Sibert; August 1944 to 31 January 1946 (X Corps inactivated.)
 * Lieutenant General Edward Almond; 26 August 1950 to 15 July 1951
 * Major General Clovis E. Byers; 15 July 1951 to 5 December 1951
 * Lieutenant General Williston B. Palmer; 5 December 1951 to 15 August 1952
 * Lieutenant General Isaac D. White; 7 November 1952 to 27 April 1955 (X Corps inactivated.)

Notable former members

 * William E. Butterworth III, served with headquarters as an information officer based in Kwandae-ri.

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User talk:YJMS0001

Nimen hao, just wanted to say that your students are doing some great work: it's been astonishing to watch (eg.) Lo Wu grow! But a few tips:

 * spell-check
 * remember to link
 * try not to duplicate
 * Neutral Point of View means that people can be wealthy or own companies (facts), but not smart or successful (opinions)
 * of course, you can always say that some people think he is smart...

Keep up the good work! Jpatokal 16:21, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Try Culture of Macau? -- Kaihsu 11:56, 2004 Mar 3 (UTC)

Images
Hey, you and your students are doing great work! But please, indicate the copyright status of the images used on the images' description pages! The images in Shau Kei Wan, for instance, have an unknown origin/copyright, and these should all be clarified on the image description pages. Take the first one, for instance: the image caption in the article is Photo courtesy Chan Kam Ho, HKU©, 2004. What does that mean? Licensed exclusively to Wikipedia, i.e. no third-party use or redistribution? Free for non-commercial uses? Are derivative works allowed?

See Copyright and Image copyright tags for more information, and also my comment on Talk:Shau Kei Wan. Also, Creative Commons License might give some hints about what needs to be considered. Thank you! Lupo 09:14, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)

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Marker pen

A marker pen, fine liner, marking pen, felt-tip pen, felt pen, flow marker, sign pen (in South Korea), vivid (in New Zealand), flomaster (in Russia), texta (in Australia), sketch pen (in South Asia), koki (in South Africa) or simply marker is a pen which has its own ink source and a tip made of porous, pressed fibers such as felt. A marker pen consists of a container (glass, aluminum or plastic) and a core of an absorbent material that holds the ink. The upper part of the marker contains the nib that was made in earlier times of a hard felt material, and a cap to prevent the marker from drying out.

Until the early 1990s, the most common solvents that were used for the ink in permanent markers were toluene and xylene. These two substances are both harmful and characterized by a very strong smell. Today, the ink is usually made on the basis of alcohols (e.g. 1-Propanol, 1-butanol, diacetone alcohol and cresols).

Markers may be waterproof, dry-erase, wet-erase (e.g. transparency markers), or permanent.

History
Lee Newman patented a felt-tipped marking pen in 1910. In 1926, Benjamin Paskach patented a "fountain paintbrush", as he called it, which consisted of a sponge-tipped handle containing various paint colors. Markers of this sort began to be popularized with the sale of Sidney Rosenthal's Magic Marker (1953), which consisted of a glass tube of ink with a felt wick. By 1958, use of felt-tipped markers was commonplace for a variety of applications such as lettering, labeling, and creating posters. The year 1962 brought the development of the modern fiber-tipped pen (in contrast to the marker, which generally has a thicker point) by Yukio Horie of the Tokyo Stationery Company (which later became Pentel). In 1987 the Copic Sketch markers were released, further popularising markers for professional illustration.

Parts
The marker reservoir, which holds the ink, is formed from polyester. The "felt" used for the tip is usually made of highly compressed synthetic fibers or porous ceramics. Toluol and xylol were used as solvents for the dye and are still used for the indelible ink in permanent markers. Due to their toxicity, they have often been replaced with less critical substances such as alkyl or cyclic alkylene carbonates (like propylene carbonate) in other types of markers. Water content of the ink can be up to 10%. Besides solvents and the dye itself, the ink may contain additives (e.g. nonylphenylpolyglycol ether, alkylpoly-glycol ether, fatty acid polyglycol ester, or fatty alcohol ethoxalates) and preservatives (e.g. 2-Phenylphenol and its sodium salt, 6-acetoxy-2,4-dimethyl-m-dioxane).

Permanent marker
Permanent markers are porous pens that can write on surfaces such as glass, plastic, wood, metal, and stone. The marks made by such pens are however, not permanent on some plastics like Teflon, polypropylene etc., and can be erased easily. The ink is generally resistant to rubbing and water, and can last for many years. Depending on the surface and the marker used, however, the marks can often be removed with either vigorous scrubbing or chemicals such as acetone.

Highlighters
Highlighters are a form of marker used to highlight and cover over existing writing while still leaving the writing readable. They are generally produced in neon colours to allow for colour coding, as well as attract buyers to them.

Whiteboard markers
A whiteboard marker, or a dry-erase marker in some locations, uses an erasable ink, made to be used on a slick (or matte-finished), non-porous writing surface, for temporary writing with overhead projectors, whiteboards, glass and the like. They are designed so that the user is able to easily erase the marks using either a damp cloth, tissue, handkerchief, baby wipe, or other easily cleaned or disposable items. Generally, people use fabrics to do so, but others use items like paper, clothing items, some even use their bare hands to wipe it clear. The erasable ink does not contain the toxic chemical compounds xylene and/or toluene as have been used in permanent markers, being less of a risk to being used as a recreational drug.

Wet-wipe markers are another version that are used on overhead projectors, signboards, whiteboards, and other non-porous surfaces.

Security marker
Special "security" markers, with fluorescent but otherwise invisible inks, are used for marking valuables in case of burglary. The owner of a stolen, but recovered item can be determined by using ultraviolet light to make the writing visible.

Election marker
Marker pens with election ink (an indelible dye and often a photosensitive agent such as silver nitrate) used to mark the finger, and especially the cuticle, of voters in elections in order to prevent electoral fraud such as double voting. The stain stays visible for a week or two and may also be used to assist in vaccinations.

Porous point pen
A porous point pen contains a point that is made of some porous material such as felt or ceramic. Draftsman's pens usually have a ceramic tip since this wears well and does not broaden when pressure is applied while writing.

Dialectal variations
The use of the terms "marker" and "felt-tipped pen" varies significantly among different parts of the world. This is because most English dialects contain words for particular types of marker, often generic brand names, but there are no such terms in widespread international use.

Asia
In some parts of India, water-based felt-tip pens are referred to as "sketch pens" because they are mainly used for sketching and writing on paper or cardboard. The permanent ink felt-tip markers are referred to as just "markers". In Malaysia and Singapore, marker pens are simply called markers. In the Philippines, a marker is commonly referred to as a "Pentel pen", regardless of brand. In Indonesia, a marker pen is referred to as "Spidol". In South Korea and Japan, marker pens are referred to as "sign pens", "name pens", or "felt pens". Also, permanent pens are also referred to as "Magic" (from a famous pen brand name). In Iran, felt-tip pens are referred to as "Magic" or "Highlight" regardless of its brand.

Australia
In Australia, the term "marker" usually refers only to large-tip markers, and the terms "felt-tip" and "felt pen" usually refer only to fine-tip markers. Markers in Australia are often generically called "texta", after a brand name of a type of permanent marker. Some variation in naming convention occurs between the states, for example in Queensland the brand name "nikko" has been commonly adopted.

New Zealand
The generic terms for fine-tipped markers are usually "felt pen" ,"felt tip pen" or "felts". Large permanent markers are called 'vivids' after a popular brand sold there, the Bic Stephens Vivid

South Africa
In South Africa, the term "Koki" is used for both felt pens and markers, by South Africans, as well as the standard "marker".

Canada and United States
In the United States, the word "marker" is used as well as "magic marker", the latter being a genericized trademark. The word "sharpie" is also now used as a genericized trademark; Sharpie is a popular brand of permanent markers used for labelling. Markers are also sometimes referred to as felt-pens or felts in some parts of Canada.

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Permanent marker

A permanent marker or indelible marker is a type of marker pen that is used to create permanent or semi-permanent writing on an object.

Description
In general, permanent marker ink comprises a main carrier solvent, a glyceride, a pyrrolidone, a resin, and a colorant, making it water resistant. It is capable of writing on a variety of surfaces from paper to metal to stone. They come in a variety of tip sizes (ultra fine to wide), shapes (chisel point, bullet tip, and wide bristle), and colors (metallic, or ultraviolet reactive).

Most markers have alcohol-based solvents. Other types, called paint markers, contain volatile organic compounds which evaporate to dry the ink, and are similar to spray paint. Due to solvents such as toluene and xylene often being present in permanent markers, they have a potential for abuse as a recreational drug.

The permanent marker was invented in 1952 by Sidney Rosenthal.

General purpose
Permanent markers are used for writing on metals, plastics, ceramics, wood, stone, cardboard etc. However, the mark made by them is semi-permanent on some surfaces. Most permanent marker ink can be erased from some plastic surfaces (like polypropylene and teflon) with little rubbing pressure. They can be used on ordinary paper, but the ink tends to bleed through and become visible on the other side.

Use in microscopy
In addition to being used for labelling microscopy slides, permanent markers can be used to do a negative stain of a bacterial sample. This means the background is stained with the marker, but the bacteria are not. The bacteria can be seen because they are unstained (lighter) while the background is stained (darker).

Removal
Permanent markers are generally used on hard, non-porous surfaces, because instead of staining they form a surface layer that, despite their name, can be removed by high pressure cleaning, paint thinners, or organic solvents such as acetone, xylene, or toluene. When used indoors, isopropyl alcohol, ethanol, and ethyl acetate are preferred cleaners, as their fumes are much less hazardous than toluene and xylene, the main components of paint thinner, or the longer-chain hydrocarbons found in mineral spirits. Other common non-polar solvents include benzene, turpentine and other terpenes (which constitute essential oils of many plants with strong scents), most ethers, chloroform and dichloromethane, hydrocarbon fuels, and diacetone alcohol, among many others. Many of these solvents are toxic, carcinogenic, or flammable, and should only be used with adequate ventilation.

Most brands of "OLFA" marker wipe off easily with acetone-free nail polish remover, the kind containing ethyl acetate, a relatively non-toxic organic solvent.

A permanent marker can also be removed by drawing over it with a dry erase marker on non-porous surfaces such as a whiteboard, as dry erase markers also contain a non-polar solvent. Most dry-erase board cleaner solutions also contain effective organic solvents like 2-butoxyethanol to remove the pigment.

Laws
Due to their potential to be used for vandalism, some locales, such as Florida, California, New York City, and Berwyn, Illinois, have laws against possessing permanent markers in public, and prohibit sales of them to minors.

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Talk:List of inventions named after people

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There are some websites that have fictious stories about the origins of some terms. Perhaps originally written for fun, they turn up in many articles and appear to be genuine. I had added and then reverted some of these from this page myself. I'm reproducing the list here so they don't get into the page again. Jay 16:26, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

List of spurious or unreal etymologies
Removed following entry from the page as it is disputed. See Talk:Condom Jay 20:41, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC):

Condom – Earl of Condom, personal physical to the King Charles II of England

What is appropiate for this list
I don't believe that pseudo-eponyms like the "Winchester" belong here. in that case its a gun manufactured by Winchester, rather than named after an inventor. The text for the Winchester notes that repeating rifles had already been invented so it isn't necessarily the first either. GraemeLeggett 08:52, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Barbie dolls
An "invention" is not a legal term, but in everyday life it is generally used to describe an idea of a certain inventive merit, which the creation of the Barbie doll hardly displays. The listing in question has therefore been moved to the commentary page:

 * Barbie doll – after Barbara, daughter of Ruth Handler, creator of Barbie

Johnson bar
Not the Johnson bar, but the heavy lever-dolly used by riggers. I found a reference suggesting it is (was?) used for pulling up railroad spikes as well. So it could have old roots in railroading. It sure seems like it is named for someone, but I do not know whom. AJim 03:10, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

eponyms by another name
This appears to have the same intentions as List of eponyms, except that instead of thing=>person it is person=>thing. a merge candidate? John Vandenberg 10:04, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

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Bert Sutherland

William Robert Sutherland (May 10, 1936 – February 18, 2020) was an American computer scientist who was the longtime manager of three prominent research laboratories, including Sun Microsystems Laboratories (1992–1998), the Systems Science Laboratory at Xerox PARC (1975–1981), and the Computer Science Division of Bolt, Beranek and Newman, Inc. which helped develop the ARPANET.

In these roles, Sutherland participated in the creation of the personal computer, the technology of advanced microprocessors, the Smalltalk programming language, the Java programming language and the Internet.

Unlike traditional corporate research managers, Sutherland added individuals from fields like psychology, cognitive science, and anthropology to enhance the work of his technology staff. He also directed his scientists to take their research, like the Xerox Alto "personal" computer, outside of the laboratory to allow people to use it in a corporate setting and to observe their interaction with it.

In addition, Sutherland fostered a collaboration between the researchers at California Institute of Technology developing techniques of very large scale integrated circuits (VLSI) — his brother Ivan and Carver Mead — and Lynn Conway of his PARC staff. With PARC resources made available by Sutherland, Mead and Conway developed a textbook and university syllabus that helped expedite the development and distribution of a technology whose effect is now immeasurable.

Sutherland said that a research lab is primarily a teaching institution, "teaching whatever is new so that the new can become familiar, old, and used widely."

Sutherland was born in Hastings, Nebraska, on May 10, 1936, to a father from New Zealand; his mother was from Scotland. The family moved to Wilmette, Illinois, then Scarsdale, New York, for his father's career. Bert Sutherland graduated from Scarsdale High School, then received his bachelor's degree in electrical engineering from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (RPI), and his master's degree and Ph.D. from Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT); his thesis advisor was Claude Shannon. During his military service in the United States Navy, he was awarded the Legion of Merit as a Carrier ASW plane commander. He was the older brother of Ivan Sutherland. Sutherland died on February 18, 2020, aged 83.

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Color Wonder

Color Wonder is a product made by Crayola, primarily intended for use by younger children, in which the special clear-ink marker only appears on the Color Wonder paper. Originally made with markers and paper, Color Wonder has also made specialty products including paints, etc. The Color Wonder products debuted in 1993. Color Wonder paints and finger paints, as well as Color Wonder coloring books of popular characters such as Disney Pixar's Cars and Disney Princess also exist.

The 'magic' clear-ink products were designed so that toddlers and young children don't stain their clothes, paint on the walls, etc. Crayola has a patent under Binney & Smith relating to this kind of mess-free marking system. An applicator, such as a felt pen, uses a composition containing a colorless leuco dye that changes to color in the presence of acid. The substrate in the Color Wonder paper contains zinc ions which trigger the development of color in the dyes when the marker inks are applied. The zinc ions act as Lewis acids to drive the color-changing chemical reaction.

Crayola has also another line similar to this one marketed towards older children, called Color Explosion. It is like Color Wonder, except that instead of chemicals on paper revealing the hidden color of the marker ink, the chemicals in the marker reveal stripes, dots, and swirls of color on the page. Depending on the package you get (Fire & Ice, Twisted Tropicals, etc.) the colors hidden in the paper are different. Color Explosion is also available in black and white paper.

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Gennady Zyuganov

Gennady Andreyevich Zyuganov (Генна́дий Андре́евич Зюга́нов; born 26 June 1944) is a Russian politician who has been the General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and served as Member of the State Duma since 1993. He is also the Chair of the Union of Communist Parties – Communist Party of the Soviet Union (UCP-CPSU) since 2001. Zyuganov ran for President of Russia four times, most controversially in 1996, when he lost in the second round to Boris Yeltsin per official results.

Early life and education
Zyuganov was born in Mymrino, a farming village in Oryol Oblast, on 26 June 1944. The son and grandson of schoolteachers, he followed in their footsteps. His father fought at the Soviet-German front of WWII and returned home with serious injuries. After graduating from a secondary school, his first job was working there for one year as a physics teacher in 1961.

In 1962, Gennady enrolled into the Department of Physics and Mathematics of the Oryol Pedagogical Institute. From 1963 to 1966, he served in a Radiation, Chemical, and Biological Intelligence unit of the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany. Zyuganov joined the Communist Party in 1966.

He returned to the teachers' college in 1966. Three years older than most members of his class, he was already a party member and a popular college athlete. On his return, he married his wife, Nadezhda. He completed his degree in 1969.

CPSU career
Zyuganov taught mathematics but soon turned to Communist Party of the Soviet Union work in Oryol Oblast, beginning in 1967. He became the First Secretary of the local Komsomol and the regional chief for ideology and propaganda. He emerged as a popular politician in the area. Among many other functions, Zyuganov organized parties and dances as a local Komsomol leader while he was rising through the ranks of the party. Zyuganov rose to be second secretary, or second in command, of the party in Oryol.

He enrolled at an elite party school in Moscow, the Academy of Social Sciences in 1978, completing his doctor nauk, a post-doctoral degree, in 1980. He then returned to Oryol to become regional party chief for ideology and propaganda until 1983. In 1983, he was given a high-level position in Moscow as an instructor in the Communist Party propaganda department.

Zyuganov emerged as a leading critic of Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev's perestroika and glasnost in the party's Agitation and Propaganda division (later the Ideological division), a hotbed of opposition to reform. As the party began to crumble in the late 1980s, Zyuganov took the side of hard-liners against reforms that would ultimately culminate in the end of CPSU rule and the dissolution of the Soviet Union. In May 1991, he published a fiercely critical piece on Alexander Yakovlev.

Head of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation
Zyuganov wrote several influential papers in the early 1990s attacking Boris Yeltsin and calling for a return to the socialism of the pre-Gorbachev days. In July 1991, he signed the "A Word to the People" declaration. As the Communist Party of the Soviet Union fell into disarray, Zyuganov helped form the new Communist Party of the Russian Federation (CPRF), and became one of seven secretaries of the new group's Central Committee. In 1993, he became its chairman. Outside observers were surprised by the survival of Zyuganov's Communist Party into the post-Soviet era.

Zyuganov emerged as post-communist Russia's leading opposition leader. He argued that the collapse of the Soviet Union led to a decline in living standards, that economic power was left concentrated in the hands of a tiny share of the population, that violent crime increased, and that the Soviet collapse allowed ethnic groups throughout Russia to embark on campaigns, sometimes violent, to win autonomy.

Russians who felt left behind in the new Russia emerged as Zyuganov's supporters, including a number of workers, clerks, bureaucrats, professionals, and the elderly. As Zyuganov succeeded in combining Communist ideas with Russian nationalism, his new Communist Party of the Russian Federation joined hands with numerous other left-wing and right-wing nationalist forces, forming a common "national-patriotic alliance."

In the 1993 and 1995 parliamentary elections, the newly revitalized Communist Party of the Russian Federation made a strong showing, and Zyuganov emerged as a serious challenger to President Yeltsin.

1996 presidential campaign

Zyuganov entered the 1996 presidential election, as the standard-bearer of the Russian Communist Party. Co-opting Russian nationalism, he attacked the infiltration of Western ideals into Russian society and portrayed Russia as a great nation that had been dismantled from within by traitors in cahoots with Western capitalists, who sought the dissolution of Soviet power to exploit Russia's boundless resources.

Hungarian-American billionaire George Soros, along with Russian oligarchs such as Boris Berezovsky, Vladimir Gusinsky, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Anatoly Chubais, and others feared a Communist resurgence in Russia while witnessing Zyuganov present himself as a kinder, gentler Communist while attending the World Economic Forum at Davos in 1996. Chubais recalled, stating "I saw many of my good friends, presidents of major American companies, European companies, who were simply dancing around Zyuganov, trying to catch his eye, peering at him. These were the world's most powerful businessmen, with world famous names, who with their entire appearance demonstrated that they were seeking support of the future president of Russia, because it was clear to everyone that Zyuganov was going to be the future president of Russia, and now they needed to build a relationship with him. So, this shook me up!".

The oligarchs set aside their differences and held several private meetings in Davos hotel rooms, where they strategized how to defeat the perceived Zyuganov threat. The result was the "Davos pact", an agreement between Chubais and the oligarchs that he would lead an anti-Communist campaign against Zyuganov, that they agreed to fund. The subsequent months saw a massive media offensive as "money poured into advertising campaigns, into regional tours, into bribing journalists", all supported by the oligarchs who owned the major media. Yeltsin's subsequent victory in that election can be traced back to the events that took place in Davos between Chubais and those Russian oligarchs.

In the election on 16 June, Zyuganov finished second with 32%, trailing only Yeltsin, who captured 35%. Yeltsin gained from the elimination of the many smaller parties, as well as the support of Alexander Lebed, and eventually won the two-man showdown by 53.8% against 40.7%.

It has been alleged that Yeltsin may not have legitimately won the 1996 presidential election, but instead employed electoral fraud. Some results, largely from Russia's ethnic republics of Tatarstan, Dagestan and Bashkortostan, showed highly unlikely changes in voting patterns between the two rounds of voting. At a meeting with opposition leaders in 2012, then-president Dmitry Medvedev was reported to have said, "There is hardly any doubt who won [that race]. It was not Boris Nikolaevich Yeltsin."

After 1996 election
After the December 1999 parliamentary elections, the number of Communist seats in the Duma was reduced. Communist support started to decline, given the widespread electoral support at the time for the government's invasion of Chechnya in September 1999 and the popularity of Yeltsin's new prime minister, Vladimir Putin, who was widely seen as Yeltsin's heir apparent.

2000 presidential campaign
Zyuganov placed a distant second behind Vladimir Putin in the March 2000 presidential election.

After 2000 election

Zyuganov has additionally served as the Chairman of the Union of Communist Parties – Communist Party of the Soviet Union (UCP-CPSU) since 2001, replacing Oleg Shenin.

In November 2001, in an open letter to Putin ahead of the summit between the US and Russian presidents in the United States, Zyuganov said that Russia was betraying its national interests. "It is blindly following US policy which has been characterized recently by open aggression". Zyuganov criticized Putin for his decision the previous month to close a Cuban listening post that eavesdropped on US communications and a key naval base in Vietnam, as well as Russian support for Washington using bases in former Soviet Uzbekistan and Tajikistan for its Afghan strikes. "Russia's national state and national interests may be betrayed" at the upcoming summit between Putin and US President George W. Bush, Zyuganov warned.

On 23 September 2003, Zyuganov sent a deputy request to the Prosecutor General's Office and the Central Election Commission of the Russian Federation, in which he demanded to initiate an administrative case against Putin as an official of category "A" and to fine him in the amount of 22,500 rubles for conducting election campaigning outside the campaign period of the United Russia party. However, the Chairman of the Central Election Commission of the Russian Federation, Alexander Veshnyakov, and the Chairman of the Federation Council, Sergey Mironov, objected that they did not see anything illegal in the President's speech. The head of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation tried to file a complaint with higher authorities, but not a single court examined the complaint on its merits.

In 2004, Zyuganov declined to run against Putin, who secured a landslide reelection victory.

2008 presidential campaign
In October 2005, Zyuganov indicated that he would run for president in 2008, making him the second person to enter the race for the Kremlin following former Prime Minister Mikhail Kasyanov. According to one report, Zyuganov pledged to quadruple pensions and state salaries, should he be elected.

In the presidential election on 2 March 2008, Zyuganov garnered 17.76% of the vote and came in second to Medvedev's 70.23%.

Post-2008
On Zyuganov's 65th birthday in June 2009, the then Prime Minister Vladimir Putin presented him with a copy of the first Soviet edition of the Communist Manifesto. On the occasion of Soviet leader Joseph Stalin's birthday on 21 December 2010, Zyuganov called for the re-Stalinization of Russian society in an open letter to President Medvedev.

After Putin's annual address to parliament on 20 April 2011, Zyuganov criticised it as inadequate in dealing with Russia's economic decline and warned that, "If the [parliamentary and presidential] elections are as dirty as before, the situation will develop along the North African scenario." Zyuganov denounced election irregularities in the Russian legislative election of 2011 but also expressed his opposition to the organizers of the mass demonstrations of December 2011 who he viewed as liberals who exploited unrest.

The communist party played only a minor role in the protests, with one of its speakers, who called for restoration of Soviet power, being booed off the stage. Party rallies on 18 December 2011, in protest of election irregularities in Moscow and St. Petersburg were attended by only a few thousand, mostly elderly, party supporters. According to The New York Times, it is questionable that Zyuganov, due to his age and association with Soviet policies, will be able to capitalize on the opportunity presented by popular disgust with the Putin regime, or mobilize mass popular support for his party.

Zyuganov is a harsh critic of President Vladimir Putin, but states that his recipes for Russia's future are true to his Soviet roots. Zyuganov hopes to renationalise all major industries and he believes the USSR was "the most humane state in human history". On 29 November 2008, in his speech before the 13th Party Congress, Zyuganov made these remarks about the state that Russia under Putin was in:

"Objectively, Russia's position remains complicated, not to say dismal. The population is dying out. Thanks to the 'heroic efforts' of the Yeltsinites the country has lost 5 out of the 22 million square kilometers of its historical territory. Russia has lost half of its production capacity and has yet to reach the 1990 level of output. Our country is facing three mortal dangers: de-industrialization, de-population and mental debilitation. The ruling group has neither notable successes to boast of, nor a clear plan of action. All its activities are geared to a single goal: to stay in power at all costs. Until recently it has been able to keep in power due to the 'windfall' high world prices for energy. Its social support rests on the notorious 'vertical power structure' which is another way of saying intimidation and blackmail of the broad social strata and the handouts that power chips off the oil and gas pie and throws out to the population in crumbs, especially on the eve of elections."

The CPRF cherishes the rule of Joseph Stalin. Zyuganov and the party support social conservatism and voted in favor of the ban on the "promotion of non-traditional sexual relations to minors", commonly known as the Russian gay propaganda law.

2012 presidential campaign

In September 2011, Zyuganov again became the CPRF's candidate for the 2012 presidential election. According to Zyuganov, "a gang of folks who cannot do anything in life apart from dollars, profits and mumbling, has humiliated the country" and called for a new international alliance to "counter the aggressive policies of imperialist circles."

In the 2012 Russian presidential election on 4 March 2012, Zyuganov once again came in second place by receiving 17% of the vote.

Political views

According to Zyuganov, Jesus Christ was the first communist, claiming that the Bible may be read through a socialist perspective.

After Russia was sanctioned for systematic doping in the run-up to the 2018 Winter Olympics, Zyuganov proposed sending Russian fans to the Games with a Soviet Victory Banner.

He is considered by Russian scholars as a neo-Eurasianist.

In August 2022, Zyuganov declared that the reformist Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev was a leader whose rule brought "absolute sadness, misfortune and problems [for] all the peoples of our country".

Ukraine
Following the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, the CPRF published a statement in support of the invasion and accused NATO of planning "to enslave Ukraine" and thus creating "critical threats to the security of Russia". It called for the "demilitarization and denazification" of Ukraine.

The party officially supported the state-promoted narrative that Ukraine is governed by Ukrainian Banderites and "neo-Nazis", who have been allegedly perpetrating genocide against Russian speakers of the separatist Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics, and liberating Russian forces. The CPRF also accused the United States and NATO of deploying European fascist sympathizers and Middle Eastern terrorists to Ukraine to fight the Russian army. Two members out of 57 of CPRF's Duma caucus, Vyacheslav Markhayev and Mikhail Matveev, have expressed opposition to the war, although they support the "protection of the people of Donbass".

Some younger members of the CPRF spoke publicly against the war, condemning it as "imperialist" and contrary to Marxist–Leninist principles. In September 2022, Zyuganov called in the State Duma for a general mobilization.

Personal life
His wife, Nadezhda Zyuganova (née Amelicheva) graduated from History Department of Oryol Pedagogical Institute. They have two children: Andrey (1968) and Tatyana (1974). They have seven grandsons and one granddaughter.

Sanctions
In February 2022, Zyuganov, who voted for the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, was placed on the sanctions list by the United States, Canada, Japan, United Kingdom, Australia and the European Union.

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Talk:Field of Dreams

Background information
I added a lot of the background information on this film because I live in the area where the film was made, and have lived here most of my life. So many of the locations shown are familiar to me. I've also been to the actual field a couple times, and was able to walk around the field. I've driven over many of the local highways shown in the film. JesseG 04:52, 10 May 2004 (UTC)

I think it's erroneous to categorize this film as a "sports" film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.60.108.67 (talk) 01:36, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Images
I was out in the Dyersville area today, so I stopped and took a number of pictures of the baseball field. I added them to the article, I hope you enjoy them. JesseG 01:36, 20 May 2004 (UTC)

Article about the book
Someone might want to right an article on the book Shoeless Joe, since one doesn't exist. -Rmpfu89 00:23, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll get write on it. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 04:42, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha, that was a good joke rite there --Crackettt (talk) 03:05, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Wright yew R. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 08:55, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Voice at end of file
at the end of the film, "the voice" is credited as "himself." who voiced this role? 28 November 2005
 * I think they're being funny, as they did with the "Clean Shaven Umpire" joke. You should check the DVD, but I think it was Costner himself who whispered, "If you build it, etc."

"Himself" may be referencing the James Stewart film Harvey. At the end of that film Harvey is credited as "Himself". You will remember of course that Karin is watching Harvey on TV in one of the scenes of this film. VirtualDave (talk) 09:35, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

First paragraph
I was just noticing the statement in the first paragraph, "The film is a fantasy that is meant to remind viewers of a more innocent and pleasant time." I don't think that's giving the story enough credit. Isn't it really about baseball as the American mythos? Kaleb70 18:20, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What it's really about is fathers and sons. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 04:41, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Final shot
Can anyone detail how the final shot of the movie was filmed? I remember something about a helicopter and the twinkling effect of the cars' headlights was the high beams being turned on and off, and something about having only one or two takes to get it right.
 * You're right. That's discussed on the DVD extras. Since you know about it, you could add it. Wahkeenah 14:00, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * This was actually already in the trivia section, which had a lot of salient and interesting facts edited out by a Wikipedia editor who notes only "chainsaw time :D" as the rationale for trimming it. I'll see if I can "unchainsaw" it and see how long it lasts. :-\
 * See WP:TRIVIA Jaranda wat's sup 21:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I reinstated the trivia that you keep "chainsawing," Jaranada. You may wish to review this part of the style manual you linked to: "Do not simply remove such sections; instead, find ways to improve the article so that this form of organization is no longer necessary. It may be possible to integrate some items into the article text. Some facts may belong in existing sections; others can be grouped into a new section of related material. Convert bullet points to prose or narrowly-focused lists (such as "Cameos" or "Continuity errors"), as seems most appropriate."

Synopsis
I updated the synopsis, correcting errors of fact (such as the fact that Archibald "Moonlight" Graham played his one major league game in the 1920s, not the 1940s), and adding some detailed information. Having just watched the movie yesterday, these details are fresh in my mind.Enki Nabu 00:20, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I attempted to update the synopsis, but TheOldJacobite rolls back the edits with no explanation. Other than it is, according to him/her, "ridiculous." I have no great stake in my own prose, and welcome edits to clarify or make what I have written more concise, but unilaterally rolling back what is to me, a genuinely useful addition to the plot synopsis just because someone doesn't like it, is antithetical to the spirit of Wikipedia. Ccspizzaguy (talk) 20:43, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Terrence Mann
Terrance Mann redirects here, but there is no mention of this character anywhere in the article. Is this appropriate? RadicalHarmony (talk) 15:31, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You mean like where the article says, "Ray hears the voice again, which prompts him to contact 1960s author Terence Mann"? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 16:00, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Did Terrence Mann die during the movie? The scene where Ray returns a reluctant Mann to his apartment, only to do a U-turn then see Mann on the opposite side of the street has suggested to some that Terrence suffered a fatal heart attack right after he departed Ray's van, then his ghost immediately teleported to the other side of the street, now saying he wants to participate in the search for Archibald Graham. This also would suggest that the reason Shoeless Joe declined Ray an invitation to see "beyond the corn" was that Ray was still alive. USN1977 (talk) 13:27, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No. That would be pure speculation, as there's nothing about it in the book, the movie, or any of the commentaries about the movie done by its creators. And keep in mind Ray took his time doing that U turn, so there was plenty of time for Terrence to walk across the street. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:39, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Ford Mustang commercial
Maybe we should add the Ford Mustang commercial done around 2005-2006 where a farmer decided to built a racetrack for Steve McQueen and who was probably inspired by Field of Dreams, here the clip of this ad then I saw on Youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZzXHq7gKN8 --Sd-100 (talk) 14:32, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Crying
This film is known for its ability to make male viewers cry? Seriously? Why is that in here? --67.84.171.78 (talk) 02:23, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Because men don't usually cry at movies. That's a "girl thing". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:26, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Existential undertones
In some courses and discussions at the University level, Field of Dreams is often used as example to demonstrate modern constructs in heaven, afterlife and a higher being (see Lisa Miller's book "Heaven"). Within this larger demonstration, Shoeless Joe becomes an anthropomorphic illustration of God; hence Shoeless Joe telling Kinsella that he's simply "not invited" to the cornfields, and Kinsella's final exchange with Shoeless Joe, "It was you!"

In regards to the earlier question about the accreditation of "The Voice" to "Himself"--an obvious reference to God, even if the motivation for doing so is homage to an earlier actor--the realization at the end of the movie that the voice belonged to Shoeless Joe seems to vindicate the argument that he may represent God.

This is a more abstract post that I hope gets readers to consider and argue the possibilities of adding a "philosophy" section to this article. I'm not informed enough to make one, but maybe someone else is? 165.123.231.23 (talk) 22:41, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

 * The Voice as "Himself" is a little joke by the filmmakers. "Himself" or "Herself" is typically used when a character appears as himself; it doesn't mean "God". You're forgetting that in response to Ray's statement, "It was you!", Joe says, "No, Ray, it was you." The Voice was actually Ray. And of course, the reason he's not invited is because he needs to stay and play catch with his father. Having said all that, if you can find valid sources that discuss the philosophy of the film, that might work. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:01, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Charlie Rose
RE: "He also admits that he had given a telephone interview with Charlie Rose during the road trip, which is what will prompt people to come."

I couldn't find the reference to Charlie Rose in the movie, or in Google. I looked in the online script, and the name isn't mentioned. The closest is "Rosebud". Mr. Rose was on CBS News at the time of the film so it is plausible, and I like the idea of Mann's involvement in the conclusion, but I don't see the reference. If someone could give a timestamp to make the conclusion less mystical, I'd be happy, but I don't think it's there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.3.2.176 (talk) 06:22, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

 * I've seen the film many times, and there's no mention of Charlie Rose or of giving a phone interview during the road trip. I'm assuming whoever posted that mis-heard something. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:53, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

 * As I recall, he admits to giving an interview, which he initially denies. When they first meet, Ray quotes him from an interview on baseball, and Mann denies saying it. Later, he admits to giving the interview (Ray accuses him of lying, and Mann responds "you told me your finger was a gun!"). I don't remember whether Charlie Rose was ever mentioned, but either way, I don't believe it was in the context of "which is what will prompt people to come", but admitting Mann's connection with baseball, which is what causes Ray to seek him out in the first place. If I recall correctly, at least. Agreed that the original editor might have been confused and the line should come out, but I'm going to try to work in a mention of the plot point about the interview (the article currently says "Mann wrote", which is not exactly correct anyway). --Fru1tbat (talk) 12:42, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The interview in question was given years earlier, to a newspaper or magazine, and that's already mentioned in the plot summary. Nothing to do with Charlie Rose, no phone interview on the road trip. The phone call he made on the road was to his father, who had been unable to reach him at his home. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:20, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, the interview is mentioned in the plot summary, but it was incorrect, or at least misleading (on the first mention, it said "Mann wrote", and never said it was in an interview. I already fixed it). I was merely stating what I thought the editor who added the disputed line might have been confused by. --Fru1tbat (talk) 17:18, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I see, and you're right. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:48, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It's also worth pointing out (which I think the plot section does) that it was Gabby who first said, "People will come", and JEJ followed it up with more ideas of why they would come. With all the commentary, I don't recall anyone pointing out how the scriptwriters took a verbal shot. I guess because it was the kid who characterized Iowa City as "really boring", they could get away with it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:52, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the edit, well phrased! I wrote that first question. The "interview" mentioned was that completely different plot point from earlier in the film, where Mann was shown to have an unfulfilled baseball dream. The "Charlie Rose" reference was just so specific, and the line of cars so mystical, that I thought I may have missed something. I'm glad I posted in Talk rather than just editing. Also, I was thinking Mann may not have phoned his father, since he didn't know "What do I tell him?", and he isn't shown in conversation, enabling Mann to disappear into the corn without police later coming to Mr Kinsella's door -- just a theory, nothing to add to the wiki. 174.3.2.176 (talk) 08:37, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The phone call thing was a plot device, an excuse to get Ray out of the motel room and wander the streets, so that he could somehow go back in time to 1972 and meet Dr. Graham. The conversation between Terence and his father would likely have been boring stuff like, "Hi, Dad, I'm on an adventure. I'll get back to you." The lineup of cars I think was a single take that worked out very well. They had the entire town of Dyersville in their cars lined up back to town. The only ones actually moving were the first few in front, led by the Lansings and the Ameskamps who owned the properties containing the ballfield. The shot was made from a rising helicopter, and it was at sunset, so they had to get it right the first time. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:46, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Another plot oddity is that the joke is on the folks in the line of cars, because the players had already left. Unless they were planning to come back for a night game. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:57, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Additional music
Probably listed at the end of the closing credits. I'll check that sometime soon. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:23, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Yep. Here it is: ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:34, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * "Crazy" - Written by Willie Nelson - Performed by Beverly D'Angelo
 * "Daydream" - Written by John Sebastian - Performed by the Lovin' Spoonful
 * "Jessica" - Written by Dickie [sic] Betts - Performed by the Allman Brothers Band
 * "China Grove" - Written by Tom Johnston - Performed by the Doobie Brothers
 * "Lotus Blossom" - Written by Billy Strayhorn - Performed by Duke Ellington

title: Talk:Field of Dreams