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Susan Tyrrell

Susan Tyrrell (born Susan Jillian Creamer; March 18, 1945 – June 16, 2012) was an American character actress. Tyrrell's career began in theater in New York City in the 1960s in Broadway and off Broadway productions. Her first film was Shoot Out (1971). She was nominated for the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress for her performance as Oma in John Huston's Fat City (1972). In 1978, Tyrrell received the Saturn Award for Best Supporting Actress for her performance in Andy Warhol's Bad (1977). Her New York Times obituary described her as "a whiskey-voiced character actress (with) talent for playing the downtrodden, outré, and grotesque."

Early life
Tyrrell was born in San Francisco, California, to a British mother, Gillian (née Tyrrell; 1913–2012), and an American father, John Belding Creamer. Her mother was a socialite and member of the diplomatic corps in China and the Philippines during the 1930s and 1940s. Her father John was an agent with the William Morris Agency who represented Leo Carrillo, Loretta Young, Ed Wynn, and Carole Lombard.

Tyrrell spent her childhood in New Canaan, Connecticut. She was a poor student and as a teenager became estranged from her mother. Through her father's connections, Tyrrell was employed in the theatrical production of Time Out for Ginger (1963) starring Art Carney in New York City. Her father also persuaded Look magazine to follow her as she toured with the show, but he died shortly afterwards.

Career
Tyrrell made her Broadway debut in 1965 as a replacement performer in the comedy Cactus Flower. In 1968, as a member of the Repertory Theatre of Lincoln Center, she was in the cast of King Lear and revivals of The Time of Your Life (1969) and Camino Real (1970). Off-Broadway, Tyrrell appeared in the 1967 premiere of Lanford Wilson's The Rimers of Eldritch and a 1979 production of Father's Day (play) at The American Place Theatre.

Tyrrell's television debut was in Mr. Novak (1964) and her film debut was in Shoot Out (1971). Tyrrell was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress for her performance as Oma in John Huston's Fat City (1972). In 1976, she played a psychotic character in I Never Promised You A Rose Garden. In 1978, she won the Saturn Award for Best Supporting Actress for her performance in ''Bad.

Later, Tyrrell starred as Queen Doris in the indie Forbidden Zone (1980). She sang the film's song, "Witch's Egg". A year later, she portrayed Vera in Tales of Ordinary Madness (1981). From 1981 to 1982, Tyrrell starred as Gretchen Feester, in the ABC's short-lived situation comedy series Open All Night. She then had a starring role in the exploitation horror film Butcher, Baker, Nightmare Maker (1981).

In 1983, Tyrrell played Solly in the sexploitation film Angel and its 1984 sequel, Avenging Angel. Then followed roles in the adventure film Flesh+Blood, the Vincent Price anthology horror film From a Whisper to a Scream (1987), the animated feature film The Chipmunk Adventure (1987), and Big Top Pee-wee (the 1988 sequel to 1985's Pee-wee's Big Adventure). Tyrrell took a supporting role in John Waters' Cry-Baby (1990).

In 1992, she guest starred on an episode of Wings "Marriage Italian Style" and she performed her own one-woman show, Susan Tyrrell: My Rotten Life, a Bitter Operetta. In the late 1990s, Tyrrell had roles in the Tales from the Crypt episode "Comes the Dawn" (1995), the animated series Extreme Ghostbusters (1997), and the psychological thriller film Buddy Boy (1999).

In the 2000s, Tyrrell appeared in Bob Dylan's Masked and Anonymous (2003) and The Devil's Due at Midnight (2004). Her final appearance was in the 2012 independent film Kid-Thing.

Personal life
Tyrrell moved to New York City in the early 1960s to focus on theater work, for the first time meeting and socializing with openly LGBT people. The artistic crowd of "New York freaks" she associated with included "Andy Warhol people", among them Candy Darling, with whom Tyrrell had a relationship and shared an apartment.

In the mid-1970s, Tyrrell had a two-year relationship with actor Hervé Villechaize and shared a home with him in the Laurel Canyon area of Los Angeles.

Tyrrell had two brief marriages and no children. In 1981 she told an interviewer that she had decided on tubal ligation surgery, "to ensure that no actors come out of me."

Tyrrell suffered from essential thrombocytosis, a disease of the blood. In early 2000, her disease necessitated bilateral below-knee amputations. That year, Johnny Depp hosted a benefit at the Viper Room to help defray Tyrrell's medical bills. Megan Mullally, Jack Black, and Chloe Webb attended.

In 2008, Tyrrell moved to Austin, Texas, to be closer to her niece. In January 2012, Tyrrell wrote in her journal, "I demand my death be joyful and I never return again." She died on June 16, 2012, in Austin. She was cremated and her ashes scattered.

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Flag of the Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic

The flag of the Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic was adopted by the Georgian SSR on April 11, 1951.

It was the only Union Republic flag in which the hammer and sickle was not gold in colour, instead being red.

History
Before 1937 the flag was red with the Georgian characters სსსრ (SSSR) in gold in the top-left corner.

Between 1922 and 1937, the flag was red, with the Cyrillic characters ССРГ (SSRG) in the top left-hand corner.

Between 1937 and the adoption of the above flag in the 1940s, the flag was red, with the Georgian characters საქართველოს სსრ (Sakartvelos SSR) in gold in the top-left corner.

The 1951 flag fell into disuse in November 1990 when the flag based on the Democratic Republic of Georgia was introduced until the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/


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User:Anthere/Vide Poche

Mediation
Hello. Well, I suppose that indicates you are still interested :-) It would be nice that we have an email adresse so the MC can directly contact you. It is much easier than going to each one wikimail. There is work ongoing on guidelines and rules right now. You may either participate on that matter actively, or give your opinion on the various points (comment on meta as well if you wish).

(there has not been much on the ml about that topic recently, except for Jimbo that we should progress on the matter :-))

Thanks for reminding me of your admiration for my mediating skills, which I suppose I earned from the little bit of mediation I did around Gaia Theory. There's not a lot of gratitude or praise that gets expressed around here, especially compared to all the arguing, and so I appreciate your compliments a lot. Now that you mention it, I think I'd liked to have been on the arbitration committee, but I don't think I'd like to give up my anonymity (e.g. if my name got out, George Bush would send people to my cave in Afghanistan and they'd take me some place where there are no Internet connections). Also, I don't think my reputation here is only for peace, love and understanding (to quote Elvis Costello), so in the end I doubt I'd have been invited to arbitrate. 168... 03:27, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Did I err?
Was it bad of me to remove my comment on requests for mediation? I felt later that I had mispoken. Is there some better way to handle this? Jack 06:00, 22 Jan 2004 (UTC)

 * I think it is perhaps inappropriate to remove the middle of a discussion like this. It tends to make discussions look very weird. Not anyone will appreciate perhaps looking like a fool talking to himself :-)
 * Perhaps would have it been better to just wait
 * or to write below that the discussion was no more relevant, so we could entirely remove it ?
 * just my fellings.

should I put it back? I don't want to do anything to be provacative, so any advice on whats best to do now is appreciated. Thank you... Jack 06:28, 22 Jan 2004 (UTC)

My e-mail address
The address is fine, but the providers mailserver had an 8 hour long maintenance break. :-( Jussi-Ville Heiskanen 06:37, Jan 22, 2004 (UTC)

Ecological succession
Anthere, an anonymous user has made some additions which has the whiff of self-promotion in the ecological succession article. I moved the offending material to Talk:ecological succession, in the hope that somebody more knowledgeable in ecology could have a look at it. From my limited ecology background, it looks somewhat dubious but has some salvageable content in it. Have a look if you get the chance and let me know what you think. Thanks. --Lexor 14:18, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I am around, but I'll be gone again soon, but back again soon too. :) Angela. 16:37, Jan 31, 2004 (UTC)

They didn't look like reasonable discussions to me. They looked like one person's idiosyncratic rants. But, if you want them there, keep them. I'm sorry if the redirects upset you. Angela. 09:46, Feb 1, 2004 (UTC)

Alexander Lukashenko
Anthere, thanks for putting a (temporary?) end to the edit war. What do you propose now? Given the entrenched positions that seem to have emerged here, I'm not too hopeful that a compromise can be worked out between the editors without someone else giving a "ruling", if that's the appropriate term to use. Please give us some advice on Talk:Alexander Lukashenko! -- ChrisO 18:16, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)

My new nickname

 * Well! since you now use fr0069 as your nickname, I suppose other Wikipedians will not confuse me with you if I use this: Antherius :) Since masked usernames are not prohibited, from now on I will use Antherium as my nick whenever I post a message or a vote! :) (just kidding)

 * If I couldn't work out what "Anthere" meant, how do you expect me to work out what "fr0069" means? Maybe I should start a Campaign for Comprehensible Nicknames. ;-) -- ChrisO 15:25, 2 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Koyaanis Qatsi
Hackwork I did; anyone could have done it. Ctrl+C, ctrl+v. ^_^ Koyaanis Qatsi 21:26, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Ecological succession
Hi, you said on VfD you had taken some parts of Vegetation succession and put them in Ecological succession and that you wanted the redirect deleted. To preserve the authors of the parts you moved, I've put the page history at Talk:Ecological succession/Page history so the redirect could be deleted. Hope that makes sense. :) Angela. 11:07, Feb 3, 2004 (UTC)

Oh, so I didn't need to bother moving it there at all? Oh well, I suppose it might as well stay there now. It's just a subpage of a talk page anywyay. Angela. 19:51, Feb 3, 2004 (UTC)

 * No, actually you did not need to bother. Sorry you took the time :-( I hope the guy comes back in a more constructive way :-) fr0069

incivility
"do not complain...previously, it was uncivility... :-)" - :\ -戴&#30505sv 20:20, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I was not complaining, merely smirking. Uncivility>Incivility>civility. The rule is Civililty - the thing we want to get rid of is incivility. I was saying that we should name the rule for the intent, not the problem. :P -戴&#30505sv 21:58, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * quite true :-)

-

I have added an External Links section to Civility with a link to your article on meta (the link actually mentions you by name). Is this an acceptable solution? Jwrosenzweig 22:42, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Office of Members' Advocates
Hi, Ant. Good work you are doing on the mediation committee if I didn't tell you before. I've decided to start my own intra-wikipedia association (why not!) that is going to concern itself with volunteerism regarding the dispute resolution process. I'd encourage you to join, or comment, or both and tell the other mediators about it too, mediators can join, arbitrators are discouraged from joining; please read about it: Office of Members' Advocates. [[User:Alex756|— Alex756 talk]] 00:48, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Your OMA membership
Hi Anthere, and welcome to the Office of Members' Advocates. As the de-facto interim coordinator I've added a link to your talk page on the talk page of the association; if you want to add any more contact information that you feel comfortable with please do so. I've started writing a few other pages and if you want to contribute to any of those pages or do some editing that would be great. Once we have a few more members we might try to have a membership meeting to discuss how we might act as a group or help each other with our new-found volunteer role. [[User:Alex756|— Alex756 talk]] 04:11, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Michaux
Hi Anthere, I've done a brief article on Andre Michaux. You might be able to flesh out this from the French side? Also, I've forgotten how to put the accent on his name. Take a look if you wish. Pollinator 14:51, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Mediate Mav/168?
168 has indicated that he would be agreeable to you mediating the dispute between him and Mav (who also said he would accept you). Would you be willing to mediate this dispute? Tuf-Kat 20:04, Feb 13, 2004 (UTC)

 * http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_fair_use_images_violate_the_GFDL%3F
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Alex756 talk
 * http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2004-February/014261.html
 * Wikipedia talk:Submission Standards
 * vigilante GFDL enforcement
 * DMCA
 * User talk:168...
 * Requests for comment/168
 * Requests for comment/Mav
 * DNA
 * Wikipedia talk:Possible misuses of admin privileges

Protected pages
Hi, when next you update Protected page could you please sign with a timestamp? It helps to know how long a page has been protected for. Thanks, silsor 18:34, Feb 15, 2004 (UTC)

Copyrights
We do accept images which are not GFDL. We even accept images licensed exclusively to the Wikipedia, though we strongly prefer more free images. If you know of images which are available on another site and may be of interest to the Wikipedia, you can ask the not-Anthere site operator to let the Wikipedia use them under a non-GFDL license and note with the upload that the owner of the site has licensed them under whatever license they like. Be sure that you do clearly describe the rights the other site operator has granted, and make sure that the operator of the other site is not "Anthere", just because it might confuse people about the legal difference between the two identities if they looked very similar. Jamesday 13:04, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)

laïcité
Hi Anthere! I was just rereading French law to ban conspicuous religious symbols and I realised that there's no real explanation of why people might be in favour of this law. Would you be able to write something general about laicity, sex equality, veils and "la loi du cité", and/or anything else you think is relevant? By the way, there's some suggestions for alternative titles for the article on the talk page, so if you could suggest others, or say which ones you would be happy with, it would be a great help. Cheers, fabiform | talk 14:05, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC).

Mediation
I'd rather discuss this out in the open. Could we? BTW, I am going to log out in just a couple minutes, but I will be back later. 168...|...Talk 00:07, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * I am around on the fr right now. I do not go away very soon, but I won't stay up very late this night. I'll explain something about the "open" in a little while :-) fr0069

1)I have nothing to hide and I wish that to be clear. 2)I did what I did as a political act of martyrdom in an effort to change the system, therefore I want a public trial in which I will be able to give my reasons for what I did and to talk about pathological behaviors of the group which I believe led to my punishment. You can talk privately to my adversaries, if you like, but I would rather talk publicly.168...|...Talk 02:42, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

P.S. If we do this on a designated meta page, people could comment on the associated talk page without interfering with our discussion.168...|...Talk 02:44, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Hi, Anth. I read the links you gave me to the mail postings and I read the part of the mediation article that dealt with privacy. I will read more when I find time. I really appreciate the analysis you gave of the situation on the mail list, which is the first I've read that seems at all sympathetic to me. I was mildly irritated by Mav's response, perhaps not surprisingly. I am not sure what about it you might want me to address, because I don't read him as saying anything very committal regarding how he would like to proceed. Also, I don't feel like I've read a reason for keeping communications between me and the mediator (i.e. you) private. To make this private would be a very big concession for me, so I would like to read a good reason for it. Thanks again for agreeing to this unpleasant job. 168...|...Talk 16:26, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

See also:Requests for comment/Mav, Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Mav. I deleted these pages long ago when it seemed Mav and I had reached a truce, but I have brought them back since he has come after me again in a similar manner.168...|...Talk 22:21, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC) 168...|...Talk 22:21, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Also this comment from Cyan specifically. Cyan mediated the discussions between me, Lir and others over the articles DNA and Nucleic acid, in connection with which Mav and others attacked my behavior. Cyan was a witness to the events, was much more intimate with the facts than was Mav, and had a much more sympathetic view of my behavior. Mav seemingly didn't solicit any information or counsel from him. Unfortunately, Cyan made a kind of bet with Lir which he seems to think he lost, and has banned himself seemingly forever as a result.168...|...Talk 22:31, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I suppose you will want to research this matter in an independent way, but there is a lot to read in lots of obscure places, so let me know if you would like me to list or rank what I think are the important things to look at. I hope my recent edits and footnoting to old pages won't make you have to do a lot of re-reading, but a lot of them I think are essential to represent the situation fairly and others provide what I think are helpful links to evidence to support my claims.168...|...Talk 00:29, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

yes, a list would be most valuable, and rank would help :-)

But...point is...would you also care to define what your claims are exactly ? Could you list these ones as well ?

by the way, just to check...did you read that as well ?

Wow. I really appreciate you exhorting Mav to see my actions as political. It was mostly the comment he made about this in his reply that irritated me. I've been without sympathy here for so long that your mediation feels like advocacy on my behalf. For a pure articulation of my complaints against Mav, I recommend the recently updated Requests for comment/Mav. The other links I gave you above after "see also" are also good links for my perspective. Requests_for_comment/Lir provides an example of a long and failed attempt to resolve a single point with Lir that motivated me to take the radical actions that I did. I dissected it from several parallel threads of conversation on talk:DNA, which is probably the most important and relevant document. Unfortunately, it is very very long, and I think hard to interpret as a chronological record of what happened, and I think that is why nobody seems to have thoroughly researched the facts before making accusations against me. At this moment in time (i.e. before anybody reverts my changes), I think Requests_for_comment/168, after my many edits, is fair in the accusations it makes against me and I think at least alludes to nearly all of the facts I consider relevant.168...|...Talk 01:02, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

You probably saw this if you have looked at recent posts to Talk:DNA, but it's a fairly succinct statement of my position regarding that page and those users, in which I allowed myself to show more righteous indignation than I do on the requests for comment page narrative. Here it is.168...|...Talk 17:56, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

About public mediation: I read the comments on the BBS site. I suppose there is a "grandstanding" element to what I want public mediation for, but it's also about justice. Mav dragged my name through the mud--through a lot worse mud than was deserved, I believe the facts show. While it's true that I am trying to heap some deserved mud on him at Requests for comment/Mav, I doubt my claims against him have been read by nearly so many people or are so trusted as the claims he has made against me. An aspect of the injustice done to me is publicity, which is why I want my vindication to take place prominently and publicly. Without public vindication--instead of quiet re-awarding of admin status--many people will live with the memory of my supposed bad behavior, and relatively few people will consider Mav guilty of anything or learn anything about how not to mediate a public discussion of controversial behavior in the future (a lesson I think this community needs). A substitute for public trial would be a public apology, such as I mentioned to you in private e-mail. But I don't see that Mav has any incentive to make such an apology. I doubt he will ever come to feel apologetic, plus you can't force him to make it, and I doubt there is anything I am willing to give him in return for it. So the only way I can feel guaranteed of coming away from this process with justice served is for a public trial. 168...|...Talk 21:38, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

P.S. You might consider the model of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of South Africa. The publicity of the proceedings was pretty much one and the same thing as the administration of justice. No publicity, no justice in South Africa.168...|...Talk 21:38, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

French law on...
Hi Anthere! I've been going over what you added to the article yesterday (you made some really good points). I need you to explain exactly what you're saying here:

 * They have highlighted the tensions provoked by the revendication of religious and group identities, like the formation of clans, for instance. They regret frequent violence toward themselves as well, in particular toward female teachers.

I don't know what you mean by "revendication" - do you mean the creating/formation; the claims/demands; reclaiming, etc? And the word "clan" is mostly used to mean a Scottish family... do you mean a "gang" (this could imply that they are violent), or would "group" be better? So far I've only done the "Background and Stasi Commission" section. Cheers, fabiform | talk 09:53, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC).

Full? Only 127% ;) I need to consolodate accounts, maybe. - S   18:37, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

laicity? what? -KuniShiro 19:19, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, by the way.-- S   19:41, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

ant, the ants, the crabs, my tempests, the foam

Anthere, there is a simple explanation -- my stupid mistake. In a fit of anti-vandal rollbacks of anon contributions, I mistook it for vandalism. When I see random, out of context edits from anons, I'll often rollback first. So sincerest apologies to you and 62.39. Fuzheado 23:12, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Oh Anthere, I don't think you need to do that to Cuisine of France. I'm sure something nice can be worked out :) Dysprosia 11:45, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Moving recipes to wikibooks
The consensus to remove recipes can be observed at the Transwiki log or at in the page history for WP:VFD. I personally have listed 16 recipes at VfD after transwikiing the contents over to wikibooks, one has been objceted to and kept. Most have not had any comment after they've been listed for 5 days. Any article I find that has both a recipe and encyclopedic information in the same page, I transwiki the recipe and add a link to the new location in the page. Again, no one has reverted any page I've done this to. These non-actions on the part of the community suggest to me that the wikipedia editors believe recipes belong at the Wikimedia Cookbook, and not in the encyclopedia. Gentgeen 18:36, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * 1) A log is not a place where consensus is made
 * 2) The Vfd is such an horrible place that all inclusionists avoid it like hell; I do not think either that 2 people voting to delete a recipee show any sort of community consensus
 * 3) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Cr%EApe&diff=2495863&oldid=2494537 shows that in effect information is lost, because sometimes the article does not link to the wikibook article. In doing so, you make information disappear.
 * 4) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Ratatouille&oldid=2495301 this shows that not only information is lost, but on top of it, you deny the very existence of ratatouille and its right of being said part of culture
 * 5) I suggest that these non actions are from now on over. Several users have shown their dismay as seeing the recipee shown entirely of no interest for an encyclopedia.

I made several suggestions on Karen page. I hope you will consider them. I hope you consider our opinion matters; Anthère0

Cute little fuzzy critters
Thanks for the dogs. Sorry I didn't send this note sooner. Je vous remercie tres beacoup, mais en retard :-( --Edmond Le Pauvre

 * ok. But to tell the truth, I feel offended. By the dog, by the predictions, by the mailing list. ant

???? Je ne comprends pas. Elle a partits sans un parole, et moi, Je mets le tete sur les bras et je pleut.

Ta mini-vacance
Si tu as besoin to chat de causerie svp contacte-moi n'importe quand. Soye bien! -- B

Salut! - B

J'ai édité ta contribution à l'article W:Med. Il était très bon et très clair -- et avec l'information importante. Je pense qu'il ne sera pas enlevé. Et j'espère que tu se sente mieux.

 * merci beaucoup :-)

Hi Fluffy, thanks for the lovely photos, those puppies are cute!

I don't know whether you want me to comment at all on the bit you deleted, but one thing I really did want to say: I think when people don't reply, the usual reason is that they don't have any answers. It's an extension of the wiki-way really - if you don't know, leave it, someone else will fix it later. But then if no one knows the answer then there is a disheartening silence. I don't believe it's a reflection on what has been said or who said it, it's just we are all struggling to see how this thing might work and what we need to do to get it there. Anyway, I just wanted to say how much I value working with you, especially with all the thought you put in to how this is going to work. Best wishes -- sannse (talk) 11:27, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Press Release
I see you contributed to the creation of the press release. Might you be willing to follow these steps, and send off the press release? -- user:zanimum

DNA
Ant, I will definitely keep an eye on DNA. If it gets out of hand again, I will step in....or anyone can step in. It is my belief that two weeks is long enough for an article to be protected. We miss out on other users making changes and additions to the article.

I realize you have a lot invested in the conflict at hand. I'd like to thank you personally for your hard work.

Sincerely, Kingturtle 00:38, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

J'ai juste vu ton edit. Je suis très étonné que tu es éveillée! Cela me manque de parler a tu. Peut-être demain... --- B

 * I tried to sleep. I read an entire book. I am not well. I will go back to bed and try again. Peut etre demain oui :-) my best.

Regarding blocking users and DNA
I apologise for those who will find themselves blocked by "mistake", but I am very serious here. No edition of the two paragraphs is to be done. I think I indicated that clearly on top of the page. I do not think the comments can escape anyone. For edition by people not involved in the conflict, I could be nice enough to unban them under promise they will be careful. Thanks :-) FirmLittleFluffyThing

[Peak:] Dear Ant - I think your general strategy is absolutely right - it is the one I had been arguing for for a long time ("community defense with support from sysops"), but you have (no doubt, inadvertently) rewarded 168...'s subvandalism by in effect freezing the page at his version, instead of the "near-consensus version" that was worked out on the Talk page last month, and which had been up until 168... decided to initiate this latest round of subvandalism. I say "subvandalism" because this time, Lir was not involved at all so previous attempts to justify his behavior as a defense against Lir now ring very hollow.

And speaking of Lir, User:Eloquence says that the highest Wikipowers-that-be decided that keeping Lir around is the best way to keep him (Lir) on a tight leash. Do you think that 168... understands this? If not, then (assuming you haven't already done so), you might try to explain the wisdom of the "community defense with support from sysops" policy in relation to this approach to handling Lir. That is, 168...'s "civil disobedience" campaign (or more accurately now, incivil disobedience campaign) for banning Lir seems to have been premised on a flawed assumption about technicial aspects of a "ban". Peak 17:18, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC) P.S. Did you receive my email to you on Feb 20, in response to your email of Feb 19? Peak

Oui - je suis chez moi, mangeant le déjeuner. As-tu voulu dire pour supprimer le commentaire d'éloquence quand tu as répondu à "la crête"? -- B

??? Désolée, je ne comprend pas :-( ici:

Thanks for telling ! I have no idea what happened. I did not want to remove anything :-(

Thank you for letting me know. Slrubenstein Boy, do I feel stupid! And awful ... Slrubenstein

ça va bien?? Je suis à un appel téléphonique... plus tard que je serai plus disponible -- peut-être dans 30m Brian

Thanks :-) But I go to bed, it is wiser :-) It is dark as well, no one hear me mumbling, but I can rest ;-) tomorrow, or perhaps the day after shall be a better day.

 * D'accord -- Et Xirzon a fait des excuses pour être grossier -- "Xirzon:	OK, folks. Sorry for being rude earlier. When I feel personally attacked I can become very defensive"

 * Peace, BCorr ¤ Брайен

 * ok.

i appreciate your hard work
Thank you for working so hard to make this a fair, reasonable place. Kingturtle 02:16, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC) P.S. I apologize for taking the chance with unprotecting DNA. I really thought mav and 168 would succeed. I am shocked at their behavior over the weekend. I feel terrible that it turned out that way. Alas. I still hold hope for their future. Kingturtle 02:21, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * I thank you. I know not very well what to do right now

 * [Peak to Ant and Kingturtle:] I would also like to register my appreciation for Anthere's hard work. In addition, as someone who has spent many weeks trying to achieve some kind of consensus at DNA, I can say that the mistake wasn't UNPROTECTING the page; rather, it was un-de-sysoping 168... prematurely. That sent a wrong signal to everyone, including 168....

 * that is possible. Well, we try our best, and sometimes make mistakes :-) It is not easy to be in someone else shoes :-)

 * I would also like to take this opportunity to suggest that, so far as I have been able to tell, Mav has never done anything wrong in the 168... affair. The root problem here is simply Wikipedia's weak defense against Lir's brand of subvandalism.  This is what led 168... to the conclusion that a campaign of "civil disobedience" was necessary; this was fine until he started abusing his sysop powers to favor his personal preference. Of course, he attempted to justify this on the grounds that it was all against Lir, but if you followed the logic of his justification, you would see that 168... was in effect proclaiming that he, as sysop, could do anything he liked, without any external constraint whatsoever. Peak 05:09, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * I think Peak, that you should try to sum up your opinions on the request for 168 page. I suppose it is already there, but that page is quite undigest. In case 168 does not come back, this page and this case will become bogus (let's hope we learn from it); in case 168 comes back, it will be a background to help arbitration to understand the case. Your opinion will be important to them I suppose.
 * I personally will not give my opinion on this, and will not put my name on any poll or on any vote on any related matter. As a mediator in that affair, I think I must not do it. I have no decision role here. However, where my role is, is to insure that people are taken some of the pain back from them, that they feel better. That they do not feel excluded. When 168 feels that he is not treated fairly, then I am concerned. But I will not judge whether he is right or wrong in his perception some people were not fair to him. Yes ? :-)

I accept your apology, except there really is no need for you to apologize -- I entirely understand your reaction, moreover, it was the strength of your reaction that called my attention to my mistake. So I really do thank you. The important thing is that we can communicate. I am sure there are others who read my post and had the same reaction as you, but who kept it to themselves. I am so glad you did not. Slrubenstein

I see you posted a request for an advocate on the AMA page. As you probably noted, current guidelines would suggest that you not be the advocate, since you have already been the mediator in this case. Anyway, I take it you are asking for somebody else to do the job, not volunteering to do it yourself. Do you have any ideas about who should take it? For myself, I am reluctant, because I was involved in a separate dispute with 168... recently, and your request seems like it should be filled by someone the parties might consider neutral. --Michael Snow 21:46, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * I let Secretlondon know about your request and told her to contact either you or myself. --Michael Snow 16:39, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Salut! I'm OK, mais je suis somnolent -- although I am now like you -- I only got 3h of sleep! Merci de s'enquérir de mon bien-être! BCorr ¤ Брайен 16:01, Mar 10, 2004 (UTC)

Your AC question: an answer (of sorts)
elements cross-posted to each others' talk pages - James F., Anthere

As you requested, I've answered your question on Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration. Again, I'm sorry that we didn't seem to agree before on IRC. Take care. James F. (talk) 02:40, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * But of course; we certainly agree on far more than we quarrel.
 * Yours,
 * James F. (talk) 10:56, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Veuille décider si tu es d'accord avec moi, ou si tu as une autre idée, ou si tu ne pense pas il existes un problème. Je suis concerné parce que le perl nomme trop de gens, et est la même personne qui a nommé sam: Nominators and nominations - B

Evening Anthere, that was a great summary of the current mediating issues - I'm going to think on them and reply over the weekend. Regards -- sannse (talk) 22:30, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hi Anthere. I hope you don't mind but I moved some of the discussion between you and Sam from Wikipedia talk:Bans and blocks to his talk page as he was raising issues about your revert which seemed wholly irrelevant to the banning policy. Angela. 01:48, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Political_dispute&oldid=2603634

Hi -- Martin started this conversation: Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_policy_comments -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 14:51, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)

Hello! I have a question. Why do you sign your posts with FirmLittleFluffyThing? It confused me at first. :-) Perl 21:35, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

24 hour bans for edit wars
Hi Anthere,

I've amended the proposal on 24 hour bans for edit wars. In short, the amendment calls for a quickpoll to take place before any such ban can be implemented. If you support this, I'd like you to add your vote in favor to the 24 hour ban vote, with the comment "with quickpolls".

Please also participate in the discussion on Wikipedia talk:Quickpolls.—Eloquence 22:16, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)

Bonsoir -- my real life has kept me very busy today, but I will try to follow up on the various conflicts in a day or two.... Thanks, B

French letter
I have emailed you the letter that I wrote. Thank you for helping me with this. It means a lot to me. :-) Perl 00:55, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * I'll do this this afternoon Perl :-) FirmLittleFluffyThing 07:13, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Aloha. Koyaanis Qatsi 07:15, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Aloha KQ :-) I have been too busy to answer you (and actually not feeling happy enough), but I have a list of pict to show you. I put a word to you this afternoon. FirmLittleFluffyThing

Ah, well that's ok then. I hope you feel better soon. :-) ... And I'd love to see your pictures.  Koyaanis Qatsi

 * ok Steve, photos, not picts; grumpf :-) ant

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Great article
I wish to thank everyone who worked on this article. It's great and very interesting. I would like to see more like this. Optim 15:30, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Accuracy
Where is the information for these coming from? It seems to me that the National Bus section clashes entirely with http://www.nationalbus.com.au/national.html, which doesn't seem like a good sign. Ambivalenthysteria 12:57, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure where it's been coming from, but the city's bus routes are listed at VicTrip. I ought to compare what's here with what's there, and fill in the gaps while I'm at it. It would take some time though. See here

 * Another thing, it appears that the archive above is in the encyclopedia namespace, not the talk namespace. Is there anything special to moving across namespaces or not; so it can be put in its place?

 * TPK 14:13, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

entry syntax
This question is related to disambiguation of the term "Upfield" on this page.

What is the syntax used for an entry like this below?

531 - Coburg North - Upfield - Broadmeadows

Obviously the first item is the route number, the last is the operator, but what about the other two?

Route # - ???? - ???? - Operator

Thanks for clarifying this. I would suppose at this point that Upfield should be revised to Upfield, but I await your input before making that change.

Regards, User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 19:54, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Actually, from what I can tell it's a list of suburbs, sometimes train stations. I'll get my Melway and check it out. Josh Parris #: 11:07, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

 * So silly of me. Anyways, the map says the 540 and 531 terminate at the train station. Josh Parris #: 11:28, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

About Melbourne Buses
Wouldn't this whole section be a lot more suitable at Buses in Melbourne instead? It's also incredibly negative - while there's a long, long way to go, it's still the only form of PT in some areas. invincible 08:08, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm removing this section because it only focuses about the lack of service levels and its apparent uselessness (though I beg to differ, a lot of routes are suffering from a lack of capacity) and this article isn't the right place for them anyway. The section has since been renamed to "Melbourne Buses" but it's the same content. invincible 11:56, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Here's the text removed: "Unlike Melbourne's train and tram networks, which are operated by one company each, Melbourne's bus network is operated by a multitude of private companies. These range from small firms with one or two routes to large organisations that run several dozen."

"Apart from some outer area and airport services, bus companies participate in the integrated Metcard ticketing system and receive operating subsidies from the State Government."

"Compared to the world-famous tram system, and the suburban electrified rail system that penetrates outer suburbia, buses in Melbourne are very much an afterthought, despite being the only public transport that is within walking distance of about 60% of the population."

"The average Melbourne bus route operates every forty minutes and stops before 7:00pm weekdays. Most routes operate approximately hourly on Saturdays. Despite trading hours being de-regulated in the 1990s, only about a quarter of bus routes operate on Sundays and evenings."

"It is common for buses every 30 minutes to 'feed' trains running every 20 minutes. Thus connections between buses and trains are more a happy coincidence than because of service planning. Passengers arriving by train are often better off walking home than waiting for the bus, contributing to low patronage. Unlike trams, bus routes tend to be circuitous and passenger information at stops is often missing or inaccurate."

"These attributes have made buses a 'mode of last resort', and, except on the few routes that do run frequently, provide a 'social security' type service used mainly by those without a car."

"Some improvements have recently been made to bus services in Melbourne. These include extra Sunday services on some routes, route extensions to new estates and three 'SmartBus' routes serving major roads. However until improvements are forthcoming on the majority of routes, most residents will continue to have a long wait for the bus and will prefer other transport modes." invincible 12:17, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

broken hyperlinks
It looks like a revamp of the metlinkmelbourne.com.au website has broken all links

http://www.metlinkmelbourne.com.au/timetables/timetable_options.php?type=bus&id=MTB237

is now:

http://www.metlinkmelbourne.com.au/line/view/2071

There doesn't appear to be any correlation between the route number and the URL. Alternatively, all links can be fixed quickly by using the search page:

http://www.metlinkmelbourne.com.au/metlink/quicksearch?searchText=237

My recommendation is that all links are fixed by using the search page (one edit, search and replace), and then everyone can help by replacing the link to the search with the direct link. Jayvdb 08:44, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Solution: ready-to-go
I have produced a template that's fairly easy to use, that will generate the appropriate link automatically. The template is Template:MetlinkBus, and the instructions for its use are on that page. The good thing about doing it this way is that if Metlink change their links again, it's basically just a search-and-replace to fix it all. I'll start correcting the links using this template now; if there are any problems feel free to let me know. --Evan C (Talk) 10:32, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be seprate articles
Shouldn't there be seprate articles for each route like the trams and trains?--Adammw 23:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

 * For each individual route? I don't see why, perhaps aside from the SmartBus routes. There are a lot more bus routes than there are train lines and tram routes. Most would be little more than a route description, anyway. --Evan C (Talk) 05:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm gonna fix it up...
I plan to do a bit of work on this page, giving every route a link where possible, and having one constant format for the whole article. Please excuse anything that looks half done, I WILL get around to fixing it, whenever I can... Kiwichris1709 (talk) 13:38, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Update: All routes are now in a table. The next step is to provide links for all routes, and find any missing routes.

Bus route separate articles
Im not if this has already been discussed, but is it worth creating separate articles for each bus route? Davido321 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 09:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

 * The conventions seem to be railway lines and stations can have their own, light rail systems are the same (eg: the Sydney Light Rail), major bus interchanges might slip in, the Melbourne tram routes have but they are a bit dubious.

 * Trams routes have been written about in a number of books about the Melbourne tramways, as well as tram enthusiast books. I believe there are a few books about bus companies from Melbourne, and perhaps some articles in enthusiast magazines, but I think they fail the notability argument.

 * Anyway, who can you write about a bus route? The tram route articles are pretty crap at the moment, but that is just because someone needs to go though Destination City or one of the other tram books and add some history. At best it is just an exact duplicate of the Metlink page on it, and perhaps a few factoids from media releases. Wongm (talk) 10:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with you in part but for instance the route 530 bus route recently underwent quite a major change to its travel plan and timetable. Meltink contains information about the new travel plan but no information about the old one for those who may be interested. Also, some of the tram route articles are quite detailed and have additional information that's not already on the Metlink website, I think they are a good source. Davido321 (talk) 12:54, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

 * I would suggest that the idea of separate articles would not be ideal, given that over time bus routes will become redundant, with new routes popping up and changes to destinations, new deviations, making it extremely difficult to manage and correct these individual articles.

 * Tram and train routes on the otherhand, don't encounter the same grievances, as the number of routes to create these individual articles are lower in comparison to the total number of bus routes. Trains and trams are essentially fixed PT systems, meaning that you would not expect any frequent changes required for the articles in comparison to bus routes. If anything, if you want to reflect changes to bus routes, it might be a better approach to address these on the respective bus operator articles. I'm in the process of creating a template modelled on the ones used on the Brisbane Translink, to better reflect the origin, destination, various locations serviced by the bus route, days operated... However, looks like I will need help simplifying the Via section to better reflect the locations serviced by the routes. Also, by the looks of the current Beta Route Timetables used by Metlink as of today, if anyone wants to help, it might make this task easier. --Huyie (talk) 15:29, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Metlink templates
Is it worth tiding up this page with a new metlink template to make it easier to keep to date linked timetables, or keep them in tables as is to date, where routes can be modified, with new timetables not getting relinked from the MetlinkBus templates. I originally set it up as a table thinking it would make it clearer, but now realizing changes to timetable links become harder to monitor, and when new routes appear/disappear, it becomes a pain to work out what needs to be adjusted. --Huyie (talk) 14:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

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I've decided to finally update the entire page, because it had not been updated since 2007 or earlier. Here's my mini log:
 * All 'Metlink' terminology removed and replaced with PTV
 * Updates to over 30+ services (routes)
 * Verifying accuracy of notes, and consistency among the entire page
 * Major update to (previously known as) Nightrider with new Night Network, called Night Bus, including associated pages, and service information
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 * Overhaul of the back-end formatting and data with service information
 * Updating missing information / blanks
 * Updating broken links
 * Adding new updated images of bus company fleet photos, eventually gaining all companies

The major update of the page started from December 2015, and is likely to end around April-May of 2016.

For those wondering, i am a user of Melbourne buses, and a Victorian resident.

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Defunct Routes
Some of these routes no longer exist, especially since the introduction of the Regional Rail Link. As a result some of the automatic link through metlink no longer works. http://ptv.vic.gov.au/june21timetablechanges/bus-network/wyndham/

Should we put it into a list of former routes or just delete them? I like to archive them into a list for historical purposes. 110.22.236.11 (talk) 01:46, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * As an encyclopaedia past routes are no more or less relevant than existing ones. This is not a guide.Charles (talk) 11:03, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

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List of routes by bus company
I propose we get rid of this section. This is meaningless as not many people are interested in which routes are operated by individual operators and either way that information is already available alongside every route. Ajf773 (talk) 04:37, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

This also serves as a rough geographical grouping of bus routes, one I would personally find useful. You can see that the numerical sequencing is not related to company routes. It has taken some effort to do this grouping, I see no point in removing it. Teraplane (talk) 01:38, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I see no point in keeping it. This article is about bus routes in Melbourne, not bus routes that are contracted to specific companies. Ajf773 (talk) 21:30, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

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Warington Baden-Powell

Henry Warington Smyth Baden-Powell KC (3 February 1847 – 24 April 1921), known as Warington, was a British admiralty lawyer, master mariner and canoeist. He wrote a book on Sea Scouting and held positions in The Boy Scouts Association, formed by his brother, Robert Baden-Powell.

Life
He was born Henry Warington Powell in New College Lane, Oxford; the son of Reverend Professor Baden Powell, who held the Savilian Chair of Geometry at the University of Oxford from 1827 to 1860.

His mother, a gifted musician and artist, was Henrietta Grace Smyth, the third wife of Baden Powell (the previous two having died). She was the elder daughter of William Henry Smyth and his wife Annarella.

Warington was the eldest child of the marriage, his siblings were George Baden-Powell, Robert Baden-Powell, Frank Baden-Powell, Agnes Baden-Powell, and Baden Baden-Powell. Warington was educated at St Paul's School, London, which he entered in 1857. In 1860, his father died, following which his mother changed the family surname from Powell to Baden-Powell in his memory.

In 1861, aged 14, Warington joined the training ship HMS Conway as a cadet. He completed his training there in 1864 with a creditable Double Extra Certificate, and then accompanied his uncle, Captain Henry Toynbee, on a voyage on the East Indiaman, Hotspur. Following that, he joined the Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Company as a 4th officer. Early in his career he qualified as a Master Mariner and was commissioned a Lieutenant in the Royal Naval Reserve. Being the eldest son made Warington financially responsible for maintaining his mother's household, which was probably his motivation for leaving the sea in 1873 and starting legal training. He was called to the Bar in Trinity Term 1876, being admitted as a barrister of the Inner Temple. He was later admitted to the Admiralty Bar and became a member of several important organizations focused on the sea. He was appointed a King's Counsel (KC) on 24 December 1897. On 13 September 1913, Warington married New Zealand-born Cicely Hilda Farmer (known as Hilda) at All Saints, Knightsbridge. He had been secretly engaged to Hilda for nearly twenty years.

He was elected as a Fellow of the Royal Geographical Society (FRGS). He also held membership in The Shipwrights' Company, the Yacht Racing Association and the Athenaeum Club. He was elected an Associate of the Royal Institution of Naval Architects in 1889.

Warington died from tuberculosis, in Chelsea on 4 April 1921 but is buried in the Eastern Cemetery at St Andrews in Fife on the upper terrace, in his wife's family plot. A portrait can be found on the Internet.

Canoe sailing
From his childhood, Warington Baden-Powell had been an enthusiastic sailor of small boats and later became a pioneer of sailing canoes, which he designed himself based on the "Rob-Roy" type of hybrid canoe-kayaks which had been built by John "Rob Roy" MacGregor. In July 1869, accompanied by a companion known only as "H", possibly his brother Baden Henry, Warington undertook a canoeing expedition in the Baltic Sea, and published an account of his adventures in 1871. He was an early member and promoter of the Royal Canoe Club which he had joined in 1874. By the late 1870s, sailing canoes were taking part in organised racing, and providing keen amateur sport at reasonable cost at a time when yachting was an activity for the wealthy.

The Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition mentions him in the 'Canoe' entry:

In 1872, Warington took his brothers, including the 15 year-old Robert, on an expedition by canoe up the Thames to its source and then on to the River Severn and the River Wye. There followed several other family expeditions in southern England which made a deep impression on Robert, who later recalled that Warington had "infused so much jollity and romance into that early sea-training that it gripped me from the first".

In 1886, the American Canoe Association challenged the Royal Canoe Club to a sailing race and accordingly, Warington travelled to the United States with Walter Stewart and their canoes for the ACA annual meet at the Thousand Islands in the Saint Lawrence River. However, the heavy British general-purpose cruising canoes were beaten by the Americans who had developed specialised racing boats.

Sea Scouts
His brother, Robert, asked him to write a manual for Sea Scouts. He devised a training scheme with The Boy Scouts Association's Chief Sea Scout, Lord Charles Beresford and, in June 1912, his book, Sea Scouting and Seamanship for Boys was published. Warington admitted, in his book's preface, that the book could provide only an overview of boating skills required. His book remained in print until 1949.

In 2011, a Sea Scout Group of the Portuguese Corpo Nacional de Escutas based in The Azores, named their 16-metre sailing yacht  Almirante Warrington Baden-Powell in his honour. In 2012, a bronze bust of Warington was unveiled by Edward Baden-Powell, the great-grandson of Sir George Baden-Powell, at The Scout Association's national headquarters at Gilwell Park in Essex.

Published works

 * Canoe Travelling: Log of a Cruise on the Baltic, and Practical Hints on Building and Fitting Canoes (London: Smith, Elder, 1871)
 * Sea Scouting and Seamanship for Boys (Glasgow: Brown, Son & Ferguson, 1912)

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Ode on Indolence

The "Ode on Indolence" is one of five odes composed by English poet John Keats in the spring of 1819. The others were "Ode on a Grecian Urn", "Ode on Melancholy", "Ode to a Nightingale" and "Ode to Psyche". The poem describes the state of indolence, a word which is synonymous with "avoidance" or "laziness". The work was written during a time when Keats was presumably more than usually occupied with his material prospects. After finishing the spring poems, Keats wrote in June 1819 that its composition brought him more pleasure than anything else he had written that year. Unlike the other odes he wrote that year, "Ode on Indolence" was not published until 1848, 27 years after his death.

The poem is an example of Keats's break from the structure of the classical form. It follows the poet's contemplation of a morning spent in idleness. Three figures are presented—Ambition, Love and Poesy—dressed in "placid sandals" and "white robes". The narrator examines each using a series of questions and statements on life and art. The poem concludes with the narrator giving up on having all three of the figures as part of his life. Some critics regard "Ode on Indolence" as inferior to the other four 1819 odes. Others suggest that the poem exemplifies a continuity of themes and imagery characteristic of his more widely read works, and provides valuable biographical insight into his poetic career.

Background
By the spring of 1819, Keats had left his poorly paid position as a surgeon at Guy's Hospital, Southwark, London, to devote himself to poetry. On 12 May 1819, he abandoned this plan after receiving a request for financial assistance from his brother, George. Unable to help, Keats was torn by guilt and despair and sought projects more lucrative than poetry. It was under these circumstances that he wrote "Ode on Indolence".

In a letter to his brother dated 19 March 1819, Keats discussed indolence as a subject. He may have written the ode as early as March, but the themes and stanza forms suggest May or June 1819; when it is known he was working on "Ode on a Grecian Urn", "Ode on Melancholy", "Ode to a Nightingale" and "Ode to Psyche". During this period, Keats's friend Charles Armitage Brown transcribed copies of the spring odes and submitted them to publisher Richard Woodhouse. Keats wrote to his friend Sarah Jeffrey: "[T]he thing I have most enjoyed this year has been writing an ode to Indolence." Despite this enjoyment, however, he was not entirely satisfied with "Ode on Indolence", and it remained unpublished until 1848.

Keats's notes and papers do not reveal the precise dating of the 1819 odes. Literary scholars have proposed several different orders of composition, arguing that the poems form a sequence within their structures. In The Consecrated Urn, Bernard Blackstone observes that "Indolence" has been variously thought the first, second, and final of the five 1819 odes. Biographer Robert Gittings suggests "Ode on Indolence" was written on 4 May 1819, based upon Keats's report about the weather during the ode's creation; Douglas Bush insists it was written after "Nightingale", "Grecian Urn", and "Melancholy". Based on his examination of the stanza forms, Keats biographer Andrew Motion thinks "Ode on Indolence" was written after "Ode to Psyche" and "Ode to a Nightingale", although he admits there is no way to be precise about the dates. Nevertheless, he argues that "Ode on Indolence" was probably composed last.

Structure
"Ode on Indolence" relies on ten line stanzas with a rhyme scheme that begins with a Shakespearian quatrain (ABAB) and ends with a Miltonic sestet (CDECDE). This pattern is used in "Ode on Melancholy", "Ode to a Nightingale" and "Ode on a Grecian Urn", which further unifies the poems in their structure in addition to their themes.

The poem contains a complicated use of assonance (the repetition of vowel sounds), as evident in line 19, "O why did ye not melt, and leave my sense", where the pairs ye/leave and melt/sense share vowel sounds. A more disorganized use of assonance appears in line 31, "A third time pass'd they by, and, passing, turn'd", in which the pairs third/turn'd, time/by, and pass'd/passing share vowel sounds. The third line exemplifies the poem's consistent iambic pentameter scansion:  ×  /    × /     × /  ×    /      × / And one behind the other stepp'd serene Keats occasionally inverts the accent of the first two syllables of each line or a set of syllables within the middle of a line. 2.3% of the internal syllables are inverted in the "Ode on Indolence", whereas only 0.4% of the internal syllables of his other poems contain such inversions.

Poem
The poem relies on a first-person narration style similar to "Ode to Psyche". It begins with a classical scene from an urn in a similar manner to "Ode on a Grecian Urn", but the scene in "Indolence" is allegorical. The opening describes three figures that operate as three fates:

The figures remain mysterious as they circle around the narrator. Eventually they turn towards him and it is revealed that they are Ambition, Love, and Poesy, the themes of the poem:

The poet wishes to be with the three figures, but he is unable to join them. The poem transitions into the narrator providing reasons why he would not need the three figures and does so with ambition and love, but he cannot find a reason to dismiss poesy:

Concluding the poem, the narrator argues that the figures should be treated as figures, and that he would not be misled by them:

Themes
The poem centres on humanity and human nature. When the poet sees the figures, he wants to know their names and laments his ignorance. Eventually, he realizes that they are representative of Love, Ambition, and Poetry. While he longs, he fears they are out of reach and therefore tries to reject them. He argues that love is what he needs least and dismisses it by questioning what "love" actually means ("What is Love? and where is it?"). He rejects ambition, but it requires more work ("And for that poor Ambition—it springs / From a man's little heart's short fever-fit;"). Unlike the personas of Love and Ambition, the narrator is unable to find a reason to banish Poesy (Poetry), which reflects the poets' inner conflict: should he abandon poetry to focus on a career in which he can earn a decent living? Keats sought to write great poetry but feared his pursuit of literary prominence was based on a delusional view of his own merit as a poet. Further, he was incapable of completing his epic, "Hyperion". As Walter Jackson Bate explains, to Keats "Neither a finished 'grand Poem' nor even the semblance of a modest financial return seemed nearer."

Keats realized that he could never have Love, could not fulfil his Ambition, and could not spend his time with Poesy. The conclusion of "Ode to Indolence" is a dismissal of both the images and his poetry as figures that would only mislead him. Even indolence itself seems unattainable; Andrew Motion writes that the figures force Keats to regard indolence as "the privilege of the leisured class to which he did not belong." If the poem is read as the final poem in the 1819 ode series, "Ode on Indolence" suggests that Keats is resigned to giving up his career as a poet because poetry cannot give him the immortality he wanted from it. Ironically, the poem provided Keats with such immortality. Besides the biographical component, the poem also describes Keats's belief that his works should capture the beauty of art while acknowledging the harshness of life. In this way, the poems as a group capture Keats's philosophy of negative capability, the concept of living with unreconciled contradictory views, by trying to reconcile Keats's desire to write poetry and his inability to do so by abandoning poetry altogether and accepting life as it is.

Within the many poems that explore this idea—among them Keats's and the works by his contemporaries—Keats begins by questioning suffering, breaks it down to its most basic elements of cause and effect, and draws conclusions about the world. His own process is filled with doubt, but his poems end with a hopeful message that the narrator (himself) is finally free of desires for Love, Ambition, and Poesy. The hope contained within "Ode on Indolence" is found within the vision he expresses in the last stanza: "I yet have visions for the night/And for the day faint visions there is store." Consequently, in her analysis of Keats' Odes, Helen Vendler suggests that "Ode on Indolence" is a seminal poem constructed with themes and images that appeared more influential in his other, sometimes later, poems. The ode is an early and entirely original work that establishes the basis of Keats's notion of soul making, a method by which the individual builds his or her soul through a form of education consisting of suffering and personal experience. This is a fundamental preoccupation of the Romantics, who believed the way to reconcile man and nature was through this soul development, education—the combination of experience and contemplation—and that only this process, not the rationality of the previous century, would bring about true Enlightenment.

The classical influences Keats invoked affected other Romantic poets, but his odes contain a higher degree of allusion than most of his contemporaries' works. As for the main theme, indolence and poetry, the poem reflects the emotional state of being Keats describes in an early 1819 letter to his brother George: "[I]ndolent and supremely careless ... from my having slumbered till nearly eleven ... please has no show of enticement and pain no unbearable frown. Neither Poetry, nor Ambition, nor Love have any alertness of countenance as they pass by me: they seem rather like three figures on a greek vase—a Man and two women—whom no one but myself could distinguish in their disguisement." Willard Spiegelman, in his study of Romantic poetry, suggests that the indolence of the poem arises from the narrator's reluctance to apply himself to the labour associated with poetic creation. Some critics provide other explanations, and William Ober claims that Keats's description of indolence may have arisen from the use of opium.

Critical response
Literary critics regard "Ode on Indolence" as inferior to Keats's other 1819 odes. Walter Evert wrote that "it is unlikely that the 'Ode on Indolence' has ever been anyone's favorite poem, and it is certain that it was not Keats's. Why he excluded it from the 1820 volume we do not know, but it is repetitious and declamatory and structurally infirm, and these would be reasons enough." Bate indicated that the poem's value is "primarily biographical and not poetic".

"Ode on Indolence" is sometimes called upon as a point of comparison when discussing Keats's other poems. Charles Wentworth Dilke observed that while the poem can be read as a supplemental text to assist the study of "Grecian Urn", it remains a much inferior work. In 2000, Thomas McFarland wrote in consideration of Dilke's comparison: "Far more important than the similarity, which might seem to arise from the urns in Keats's purview in both Ode on Indolence and Ode on a Grecian Urn ... is the enormous dissimilarity in the two poems. Ode on Indolence ... is a flaccid enterprise that hardly bears mention alongside that other achievement."

Sidney Colvin, in his 1917 biography on Keats, grouped "Indolence" with the other 1819 odes in categorizing Keats's "class of achievements". In 1948, Lord Gorell described the fifth stanza as, "lacking the magic of what the world agrees are the great Odes" but describes the language as "[d]elicate, charming even". Later, in a 1968 biography of Keats, Gittings describes the importance of the poem: "The whole ode, in fact, has a borrowed air, and he acknowledged its lack of success by not printing it with the others ... Yet with its acceptance of the numb, dull and indolent mood as something creative, it set the scene for all the odes that followed."

In 1973, Stuart Sperry described it as "a rich and nourishing immersion in the rush of pure sensation and its flow of stirring shadows and 'dim dreams'. In many ways the ode marks both a beginning and an end. It is both the feeblest and potentially the most ambitious of the sequence. Yet its failure, if we choose to consider it that, is more the result of deliberate disinclination than any inability of means." Andrew Motion, in 1997, argued, "Like 'Melancholy', the poem is too articulate for its own poetic good ... In two of his May odes, 'Melancholy' and 'Indolence', Keats defined themes common to the whole group with such fierce candour that he restricted their imaginative power. His identity had prevailed."

title: Ode on Indolence