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 * Thanks :)   — db48x 06:06, Mar 12, 2004 (UTC)

Image:Katrina-UnusedBusses.jpg has been listed for deletion

 * Yes, it's a dup. However, you've listed that image for deletion as well. Anyway, either of these is better than the one you've put up as a replacement (Image:Bus yard-rotate.jpg,) since in that one you can't actually tell what anything is.   — db48x | Talk 10:18, September 10, 2005 (UTC)

USS Helm Image
Hey, thanks for looking over my edits and additions. It seems I made a typo by adding that image. I'm going to tag the old image for deletion and I just uploaded the same image again, this time with the correct designation. I've also updated the Helm's page to reflect this filename change. Thanks again. -- Malo 17:00, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * My mistake, I didn't upload this image, it seems you did. I am still going to tag the image for deletion.  Sorry about the mix up.  Good work still on catching your own error. -- Malo 17:11, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It only took me how many years? ;)   — db48x | Talk 20:45, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Bagley class destroyers
Just wanted to let you know that I responded to your comments on my talk page. -- Malo 19:23, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I have responded (in more detail) once again on my talk page. Thanks, I think that you're right about the drafts.  -- Malo 17:28, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Lebanese Civil War

Add Lebanese Night (song) to pop culture list?
Popular song by Chris de Burgh. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timing_Is_Everything_(album) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.236.138.31 (talk) 09:26, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Plagiarism?
Much of this article (from "Independence" onwards) appears identical to this page at the website Global Religious Views. I suspected plagiarism because this is a huge amount of text to have absolutely no references and some of it is not very encyclopedic in style. It's possible the plagiarism runs the other way as unfortunately that website gives no dates or author credit. Hairy Dude (talk) 12:14, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually it looks like this website plagiarized Wikipedia. The oldest archive I can find is from 2015, whereas some of the duplicated text is present on Wikipedia in different forms at different times:
 * 2009:
 * 2011:
 * 2014: (the plagiarized form)
 * Now:
 * The undefined reference "(see Gendzier)" also appears at some point before 2015. Hairy Dude (talk) 13:10, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Christian Palestinians?
Please add a source on the Christian Palestinians fighting with the PLO part. Palestinian Christians fought on both sides of the war. 2600:1001:B114:C3EF:0:11:50E2:5F01 (talk) 17:51, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Palestinian groups at the time were secular, so it doesn't make sense to point out specific religions. George Habash, the leader of the PFLP,is already mentioned, but due to the secular nature of the group, religion is irrelevant. FunkMonk (talk) 18:15, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 July 2023
Change "Jumblatt.After the Israelis from Chouf," to "Jumblatt. After the Israelis withdrew from Chouf," Danzig90 (talk) 08:40, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ M.Bitton (talk) 10:57, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Problematic source
Jillian Becker seems to be considered a partisan source even at the time The PLO was first published (https://merip.org/1985/06/becker-the-plo/). Is there a better source showing the attacks came from Lebanon? 152.130.7.65 (talk) 15:12, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Seemingly biased stance, at least with context provided.
The text below states that the PLO response to the Israeli retaliatory attacks is "a clear violation of the ceasefire", stating it as a fact. However, there is no context on the ceasefire that explains why the PLO attacks are a violation and the Israeli attacks are not. As a casual reader, the statement stating one side is guilty of violating the ceasefire immediately after a sentence stating that the other side attacked first reads as very biased. I tried backing up and trying to find more context in the rest of the article but couldn't find any. Attempting to search elsewhere on the wiki also didn't reveal any more context.

I think the the last sentence of the passage below should be removed or more context/a citation added to support the statement. If there is supporting context elsewhere on the wiki it should be quoted or linked here.

"On 3 June 1982, the Abu Nidal Organization, a splinter group of Fatah, attempted to assassinate Israeli ambassador Shlomo Argov in London. Israel carried out a retaliatory aerial attack on PLO and PFLP targets in West Beirut that led to over 100 casualties. The PLO responded by launching a counterattack from Lebanon with rockets and artillery, which constituted a clear violation of the ceasefire." 152.130.7.65 (talk) 15:32, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Looks like WP:editorializing, yes. FunkMonk (talk) 15:53, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The ANO was expelled from Fatah in 1974 and opposed the PLO at every turn, so bombing the PLO for the actions of the ANO nearly a decade after their split was a curious form of retaliation indeed; arbitrary and rather idiotic one might suggest, unless the ANO was just being used as an excuse to blow up another random target. If the justification at this point was genuinely that the ANO was originally a Fatah splinter, well, that would just be pathetic in the extreme. In the context, the Israel strike was a rather misdirected retaliation in the form of a conventional strike on one group for an (attempted) unconventional action by another group, while the PLO response was simply a direct conventional response to the originating piece of unprovoked conventional violence in the two-way exchange. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:54, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I read up on the background reasoning of the attacks and caught the PLO/ANO split, but didn't mention it since it's outside of the scope of the article. I'm just looking at how blame is being assigned in the article. I was trying to be diplomatic in my original post, but it's a pretty obvious oversimplification of an extremely complicated scenario in service of pinning blame to only one side.
 * Unless there is some provision that Israel used to label the ANO assassination attempt that would make both the Israeli and PLO attacks a violation of the ceasefire, or if a violation of the ceasefire immediately terminated it then only the Israeli attack would be a violation. Of course I haven't read up on the terms of the ceasefire, but no matter how exactly blame should be assigned, the statement blaming the PLO only and without context makes me wonder if there are any other places where bias was written in. 152.130.7.65 (talk) 17:59, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Maronites are Christians
There is no need to hyphenate “Maronite Christians”. 82.36.70.45 (talk) 16:04, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Improper citations
Large amounts of this article are improperly cited. The intro has two paragraphs that make many claims and then have only one or no citations for them.

“ The link between politics and religion had been reinforced under the French Mandate from 1920 to 1943, and the country's parliamentary structure favoured a leading position for Lebanese Christians, who constituted the majority of Lebanon's population. However, the country's Muslim minority was still relatively large, and the influx of thousands of Palestinians—first in 1948 and again in 1967—contributed to Lebanon's demographic shift towards an eventual Muslim majority. Lebanon's Christian-dominated government had been facing increasing levels of opposition from Muslims, pan-Arabists, and a number of left-wing groups. To this end, the Cold War exerted a disintegrative effect on the country, closely linked to the political polarization that preceded the 1958 Lebanese crisis. Christians mostly sided with the Western worldwhile Muslims, pan-Arabists, and leftists mostly sided with Soviet-aligned Arab countries.”

is an example and this is one of the only parts of the article most people will read. Is there someone who has edit permission who can clean this up ? 109.255.35.74 (talk) 10:26, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

 * This entire paragraph also has no source:
 * “Fighting between Lebanese Christian militias and Palestinian insurgents (mainly from the Palestine Liberation Organization) began in 1975 and triggered the establishment of an alliance between the Palestinians and Lebanese Muslims, pan-Arabists, and leftists. However, over the course of the conflict, these alliances shifted rapidly and unpredictably. Furthermore, the internal strife deepened as foreign powers, namely Syria, Israel, and Iran, became involved and supported or fought alongside different factions. Various peacekeeping forces, such as the Multinational Force in Lebanon and the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon, were also stationed in the country during this time.” Dogsrcool420 (talk) 10:28, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

 * Intros are just summaries of the article, so do not need citations. If this same information is cited in the article body, that's enough. FunkMonk (talk) 11:01, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Films
Hi, I just wanted to suggest two more films, both of them excellent, that you could add to the "In Popular Culture" section. Firstly, you definitely ought to have the Ziad Doueiri film West Beirut listed there. And even though it's not set at the time of the Civil War, you might also consider adding Doueiri's much later film The Insult, which is all about memories of the Civil War, a bit like Memory Box. That's all! Thanks for reading :~) Eastofeast (talk) 21:36, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Bus Massacre Death Count
Exactly how many Palestinians were killed in the Bus Massacre? The article here says 30, the article on the Massacre itself notes 27, Fawwaz Traboulsi's A History of Modern Lebanon claims 21 (page 182), and David Gilmour says 27 in Lebanon: the Fractured Country (page 109). 138.251.228.150 (talk) 20:12, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 June 2024
I request to have access to this page because I know lots of information about the Lebanese civil war since I am Lebanese myself. Arab234362 (talk) 03:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Welcome
Hello, welcome to Wikipedia.

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Extent of Sierra Nevada
It's a tricky question. Definitely, Mount Lassen is a Cascade volcano, so should be excluded. Part of the definition is whether you consider geography, geology, or ecology. For an ecological definition, the United States Forest Service says that the Sierra Nevada stop at Susanville, California (see ). But, they claim that the Tehachapi Mountains are ecologically part of the Sierra Nevada, which doesn't make too much sense geologically (it's clear that the Tehachapis are part of the Transverse Ranges).

As a working definition of the northern boundary that matches the USFS ecological definition, I would propose putting the northern boundary at California State Route 36, which passes through Fredonyer Pass, a pass to the southeast of Mount Lassen. So, we can replace Mount Lassen with both of these landmarks.

Drawing the boundary at California State Route 70 excludes a lot of Plumas County, which I think is part of the Sierra Nevada, since the controverty over logging in the Sierra Nevada Forest Plan had issues in Plumas County.

-- hike395 17:28, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hello, again.. I'm not sure that defining the Cascades as where Cenozoic igneous rock is at the surface is precise enough. The southern end of the subduction on the west coast of North America has been travelling northward for millions of years. There are Cenozoic igneous surface rocks in what would definitely be the Sierra: west of Lake Tahoe in the Desolation Wilderness, and some beautiful formations like The Dardenelles, north of California State Route 108. Also, Mount Lassen isn't that old, it was a side vent of Mount Tehama, and much of the igneous rock predates even Mount Tehama (which is only 600K years old).

Not sure how to fix this, so I wanted to discuss it with you before editing. --- hike395 18:07, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * I think that the CGS is usually a good source, but I have to disagree with them here, because the definition is too vague. I tried to clarify the definition at Fredonyer Pass: see if you like it. -- hike395

Pacific Standard Time Zone
I believe you are factually incorrect. The Pacific Standard Time Zone is an official region of the United States as set by an act of the Congress of the United States. The region is always in existance. User:Davodd

I hate to say it, but it looks like he's right. JoelWest 22:25, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Southland Map
Please do not remove the map. There are three definitions of the "Greater Los Angeles Area", and the map applies to the third. WhisperToMe 22:26, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

It does not matter if the term is not officially used that way. The term "Greater Los Angeles" is still used to refer to the metropolitan area. WhisperToMe 22:52, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

As for the Los Angeles CMSA, it does include the desert west of Las Vegas, believe it or not. Areas are put in United States CMSA's by county, regardless of its shape, with the exception of states in New England. WhisperToMe 23:14, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps we could change the shading in the map, so that LA County is darker or more intense than the other shaded counties. Everyone agrees LA County is "Greater LA", but this would show that there is disagreement (both on Wikipedia and in the real world) about classifying the others. JoelWest 22:17, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Regional Definition
Thanks for replying about my attempts to add NPOV and clarification to the Greater Los Angeles Area entry. I did this without a lot of information (as a copy edit rather than new research) and so am open to further improvements. On your points

 * "The CMSA designation is no longer used by the government". You say this with some authority, but I couldn't find any statement to this effect in the Census website. Perhaps you should put a detailed explanation in the Consolidated Metropolitan Statistical Area entry. Or do you mean that there is no longer a CMSA for Los Angeles? I really couldn't say more than I did without clarification on this point

 * The Census definitions are important both because they're the government experts, and also because most other government and business organizations use the Census classifications as a starting point.

 * I think the crucial thing is that we allow that different people use different definitions. It's like a dictionary with multiple definitions. If there's some hard data to suggest a preferred option (e.g. doing a quick google search on "Greater Los Angeles" seems to imply LA County) then we can indicate that, but readers should know that they may sometimes find people who are using the term in one of the other ways.

So if you want to further clarify the definitions that's great, or if you want to add additional evidence to the talk page I'll be glad to take another stab at it. JoelWest 16:15, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

 * I appreciate your reply. To alleviate your frustation, I think you should focus your energies now on cleaning up MSA/CMSA etc. Most Wikipedians seem to refer back to other entries (internal consistency vs. external validity) as the ultimate tiebreaker. So if you can educate others by cleaning up the other definitions (including putting the links you provide into articles) then that can be a building block for clarifying specific CMSA/MSAs. JoelWest 22:15, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

MediaWiki
No, MediaWiki doesn't like parenthises. Or dots. Or commas. Or apostrophes. Or any other digit contained in half of wikipedia's bloody articles... It's a common error, not so's you'd notice :-) -- Graham :) | Talk 10:01, 5 May 2004 (UTC)

Greater Los Angeles & the Tehachapis
I don't know if I really fixed Greater Los Angeles Area. The list just seemed enormously long to me, so while I was fixing the footer, I just threw the list over to its own page. Please, feel completely free to munge, re-organize, etc. the page, whichever way you think best.

Remember our March discussion about the N extent of the Sierra Nevada? I think we agreed on Tehachapi Pass as the southern boundary. So, if you have some interesting facts about the mountains north of there, please feel free to add them to the Sierra Nevada page. Otherwise, it looks like the Tehachapi Mountains page is in dire need of some loving attention (it is under a copyvio warning). I'm pretty unfamiliar with the Tehachapis, so I never wrote anything about them.

-- hike395 04:53, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

 * If you are getting burned-out on the species capitalization discussion, it may cheer you up to write a new Tehachapi Mountains article (if you'd like). Looks like it was removed. --- hike395 18:52, 23 May 2004 (UTC)

El Palo Alto
Hi Mike - curious, why don't you want caps for Coast Redwood, when so many other items in the article are given caps? (el palo alto, national arborist association, international society of arboriculture, etc). Also, tree dimensions are as standard given height first, and on an international website, should be in metric (what 95% of the world's population use). Finally, I don't consider that a tree which has had 8m of dieback on its top can necessarily be considered healthier; this statement by Palo Alto City should be treated with caution. - MPF 21:20, 17 May 2004 (UTC)

Capitalizing common names of plants
Hi, Mike. I don't have much time, but I just wanted to say that I've seen very useful Wikipedia contributions from both you and MPF. You are both valuable members of the Wikipedia community. I know (from personal experience) that it can be frustrating to discuss and disagree about style issues. So, remember to stay cool, and I think we can work something out. Let's try and work towards WikiLove. -- hike395 16:41, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

 * Sorry, this issue comes up every few months, and I tend to shoot on sight. Scientific names don't really help, other that the capitalisation rules are clearer, for two reasons.

 * 1) For many groups, including mammals and bird, they are much less familiar.
 * 2) In the current state of taxonomic flux, they are as variable as English names. The Great Egret is variously assigned to the genera Ardea, Egretta and Casmoderius, depending on source.

jimfbleak 09:54, 20 May 2004 (UTC)

Hi, sorry that it takes me some time to respond --- I'm trying to not have Wikipedia eat my life. It turns out that I was editing a response to you while you edited your comment. I think that the comments all make sense.

You're right that there is no consensus. I'm trying to find some rule or custom that would make you happy (i.e., don't capitalize noun phrases) while making people like MPF happy (capitalize species names). I think I have a solution --- a very specific usage which declares that a species name used to denote the whole species is a proper noun. I believe that this can make everyone satisfied (or at least, minimally unhappy), but I would like to hear what you think. --- hike395 17:35, 23 May 2004 (UTC)

Noun article
I've no objection to your Americanize/Canadian change, which has the virtue of de-Amerocentrizing [chuckle] the article. But this is just a Mostly Harmless rating: my 1934 Second International, in the mainstream of presciptivist usage, has "Americanize" (caps only, BTW), so i'm not sure what your misgiving stems from! (You wouldn't let your opinion be influenced by the criticism of the indiscriminate use of the superficially similar suffix -wise, would you?) In any case, colleague, it's been a pleasure editing with you. --Jerzy(t) 12:45, 2004 Jun 9 (UTC)

Theater vs. Theatre
Americans totally use the -tre spelling in titles, but the generic American English spelling is -ter, and somewhere around here it says to use regional spellings in regional articles (to resolve the 10 million kinds of English used on the pedia). jengod 21:44, Jun 14, 2004 (UTC)

Metropolitan area
"Mackerm (Revert. As of 2003, the designation "CMSA" is no longer used by OMB or Census dept.) "

The article United_States_metropolitan_area says nothing about this. And besides, you didn't note that on the Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area article, either... WhisperToMe 20:54, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

"Light rail" on the Metrolink page
Hi there-

I'm writing you rather than jumping into an edit war on the LA Metrolink page. You undid my changes, restoring the sentence that Metrolink uses both heavy and light rail vehicles. Light rail is generally used to describe trolley-like trains as well as lower-capacity public transit systems like the Green, Blue, and Gold Metro Rail lines run by LA's MTA. As near as I can tell from their Website, Metrolink runs a commuter rail system, which would fall under the heavy rail category. Am I wildly off base on this?

In addition, while commuter railways like Metrolink do fall under the category of public transit, I think the latter term evokes a system more like LA's Metro Rail rather than a commuter system like Metrolink. I have no problem with leaving the phrase "public transit" in the opening sentence but I think we need to add "commuter rail" in there as well (as such it's not used at all in the article).

Anyway, if you have any information that I'm wrong here on Metrolink's use of light rail vehicles, I'd love to hear it -- I just get my information from on the LA system from the Web and railfan sites, and any firsthand info would be great! But otherwise I think we should just go with the prhase "commuter rail." What do you think of this as an opening sentence? "Metrolink is a public transit commuter rail system that serves the Greater Los Angeles Metropolitan area." Please send me a message and let me know what you think!

Looking forward to hearing from you, --Jfruh 23:48, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

dabs
Sorry 'bout that. My intention is always to check for red-links both after I preview, and after I save, so I have no idea how that slipped past me. Other than new pages patrol, most of my Wikipedia work is trying to improve linkage and info access, like creating disamb pages, and redirs for unusually capitalized titles, so that's the last sort of mistake I'd want to make. Anyway, thanks for fixing it, and for letting me know--I guess I need to start double-checking that I remembered to double-check my edits. ;) Niteowlneils 05:26, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Piped Links
Thanks for the comment. I'm pretty sure that using Pacific Islanders (U.S. Census) is a shortcut for people who are typing, but I think once the page is saved it converts in on the server to Pacific Islanders. I could be wrong, but to test it out create a page and do and enter the following: Pacific Islanders (U.S. Census) then go back and edit the page and the edit text will read Pacific Islanders. So I doubt that there is actually any byte saving. Kevin Rector 21:22, Aug 2, 2004 (UTC)

Flipper
Hi there - I noticed that you didn't like what I did with flipper and flipper (disambiguation). My rationale was simply that most of the other entries had their own pages already (Flipper (band), flipper (cricket), flipper (anatomy)) so it made sense to make flipper refer to the one without its own separate page. I'm not strongly attached to either format, but just wondered why you prefer it the way you have done it. -- ALoan (Talk) 23:50, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Perhaps there should be a page named something like Flipper (TV and movies), but the flipper page was being correctly used for disambiguation. No single meaning is obviously predominant, and several of the pages linking there intend alternative meanings. Mackerm 05:43, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * I think I'll expand a little. I'm interested in names. "Flipper" is the name of a character, as well as the names of several TV shows, comic books series, and movies, each with a different idenity. Something similar to "Superman". But when you say simply "Superman", you're most likely talking about the character, not one of the media expressions. "Flipper" is worse, since it has other meanings.

 * For practical purposes, it was a small page, not really worth splitting up. And I didn't want people to have to search further for Flipper (band) Mackerm 22:08, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Fair enough. Thanks for the explanation.  I'll leave it as it is.  -- ALoan (Talk) 10:40, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Maps
Hello,

avnative and I are in the process of revising the articles on various cities of the Antelope Valley, and I was told to inquire to you about a map that is on the Glendale page. I noticed that it outlines all of the various cities in Los Angeles County, including Palmdale, and we were wondering if you could make one for the Palmdale page, with its city limits in red just like Glendale has? Thanx--Anon 10:02, Aug 24, 2004 (UTC)

Thanx for doing that map. Looks good. The city flag is actually a white flag with the city seal in the center. The city seal being what you had described. I don't have photoshop to edit pictures like that or I would do it.

How do you add the information to the map inset like Glendale has? You know:

Population : 135,575 (2004 est.) Metro: 263,532 (2000) Elevation : 2656 Ft. Located: 34°34'52" North, 118°6'2" West (34.581005, -118.100603) etc...

--Anon 22:32, Aug 24, 2004 (UTC)

 * What I did was copy and paste the descriptive box at Los Angeles, and replace the data with Glendale-specific information. Doing the maps is fun, but copying the census data, etc. was kind of tedious and fiddly. I think I'll make a post to WikiProject Cities or WikiProject Maps on how I made the map from GIS info. Mackerm 23:28, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Great. Could you also make one for the Lancaster page too? Thanx! --Anon 23:35, Aug 24, 2004 (UTC)

I have on my page (User:The anon) the Los Angeles Template. I have already converted much of it to Palmdale, so if you have a way to get the city seal picture, and graft it to a white flag for the city flag using photoshop, and implant them into the template, I can post it to the page. Thanx! --Anon 00:24, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)

I have placed the template on the Palmdale article. Now I am starting on the Lancaster template on my discussion page workzone. If you can create the Lancaster highlight map for me, place it in the workzone on my page. Thanx --Anon 09:55, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

Lancaster Map
Hello again, I am trying to figure out how you changed the map from Los Angeles to Palmdale so that I can do the same for Lancaster, but I cannot find where the blank map is to do that with, or even what to use to color it where I want it. How do you do that? --Anon 21:29, Sep 8, 2004 (UTC)

 * I created the map with a GIS program and US census data. I colored it using Photoshop. You could probably color it using any basic "paint" program. I use a Macintosh, so I'm not familiar with Windows programs. The Gimp is free, and might be worth a look. Mackerm 21:56, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)

AstraZeneca plc
Response on my talk page. Cheers, [[User:Noisy|Noisy | Talk]] 09:10, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

TV Naming conventions.
At some point in the past you expressed an opinion on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television). I have instigated a new poll on that page. I am hoping that this poll will properly allow all users who have an interest in the subject to express their views fairly before we come to a consensus. I have scrapped the poll that was previously in place on that page because I believe that it was part of an unfair procedure that was going against the majority view. I am appealing to all users who contribute to that page to approve my actions. I would appreciate it if you could take the time and trouble to read the page carefully and express an opinion and vote as you see fit. Mintguy (T) 16:45, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing
Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:
 * Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
 * Multi-Licensing Guide
 * Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the " " template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

 * Option 1
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

OR
 * Option 2
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions to any U.S. state, county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace " " with "  ". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

City map
I noticed that you uploaded the city map for Los Angeles, California. Is there any chance you could create one for Moreno Valley, California? Or, show me where to get the data, and I might be able to do it myself. --Slowking Man 06:22, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)

 * I haven't done any maps lately, but I used a program called "Arcexplorer" (which is a free download) and I got the GIS data from http://www.geographynetwork.com/ as well as from the US Census Bureau web site. Then I used Photoshop to edit the county and state maps and color the maps. Tip: Leave the map big and let Wikipedia's built-in scale function to make it fit the table. Mackerm 07:21, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The 5,6,7,8's
It is spelt many different ways, some places have .s, some ,s, some spaces and some the numbers just touching. The version with ,s is the most common and it is what appears on albums and gig posters. It also makes the most gramatical sense in English.

Hi!
You probably already noticed --- I took a few months off the 'pedia, but now I'm back.... So, hello again! -- hike395 06:15, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Maps
Your maps look very similar to this website: except the version that they have is cleaner and clear. -- AllyUnion (talk) 12:33, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, we probably both started from the same data files (available at census.gov ). Kind of a coincidence that we both picked red, but I just used the same shade that is sort of standard at Wikipedia Mackerm 19:03, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

City/county maps?
Could you please tell me how you create your city/county maps? I cannot seem to find the maps you use anywhere on the internet. Thanks, Short Verses 00:52, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you, I appreciate it. I'll try that out. Best regards, Short Verses 19:41, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Re: Red city, Blue city
Ouch. Well, that was a complete failure on my part. haha. I had only aesthetics in mind when I did them, and didn't know any standards existed. Do you think I should go back and redo every map using the standard colors? Short Verses 00:29, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Well anyways, thanks for your advice, and I can definately make you a locator map if you ever happen to need one. I'll even try to contribute to the standardization attempts maybe? Short Verses 03:11, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)

Standardization.
Mackerm,

I want to redesign all of my maps so that they will follow guidelines set on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Maps. Originally, I planned to simply take map and recolor it, but I discovered it was out of date.

Could you please tell me in detail how you made your original maps? For now, I will try on my own to produce one similar to yours, and see what progress I will make.

Best regards,  Short Verses  (talk) 02:14, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

 * Okay, I tried redoing the map myself and got something similar to yours, located here. Tell me what you think. Sincerely,  Short Verses  (talk) 03:53, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

 * I just added a link to the article of the county that contains the area underneath each map. For example, this is what I did for Irvine. Most county articles have locator maps for the counties themselves, so that should work. Sincerely,  Short Verses  (talk) 18:43, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

Interested in an L.A.-area Wiki meetup?
It appears as though L.A. has never had a Wiki meetup. Would you be interested in attending such an event? If so, checkout User:Eric Shalov/Wikimeetup.

- Eric 30 June 2005 23:11 (UTC)

SoCal WikiProject
Since you are in Southern California, you may be interested in the Southern California WikiProject (and its parent California WikiProject). Please take a look at the project's page and see if there is anything that interests you. If you have any comments or questions, please contact me. Blank Verse  ∅  07:12, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Naming conventions for television shows (again)
I saw that you were active in the first vote for naming conventions of television program(mes). Well it has raised it's ugly head again and I would appreciate any comments you have to make about my new proposal for naming television shows. Please leave comments here. Thanks! --Reflex Reaction (talk)• 21:42, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Cerritos map
Hey there--I've seen your work on the Palmdale map and I would like to request if you could do something similar to the Cerritos, California article (location in state and county map)? The map for it was recently removed because of improper citations. Any contributions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance. AManSac 10:17, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Done! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cerritos_in_LA_County_map.png I haven't inserted it in the page yet. Mackerm 20:59, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

lifting from other websites
Hi,

It may seem insignificant, but I on the Santa Clarita Valley heading, the description given for the valley is directly from my web site - Santa Clarita Valley Resources Page - http://www.scvresources.com

While two people may come to a similar statment, either cite it as my site, or come up with your own. I have dealt with too many sites taking my web site without permission. Copyright still applies here.

Mike ballard 04:08, 28 March 2006 (UTC)mike_ballard

Atkinson cycle
I was writing a response to your post to the discussion page when you reverted it and I got an edit conflict. Since I've already written it, I figured I'd go ahead and let you look at it and see if it clarified things. If you have any questions, drop a note on my talk page. scot 20:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I read through the article, and I don't see "slower" anywhere in there, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. There are, however, two things described in this article; the Atkinson cycle, and the engine Atkinson desinged to work around the Otto cycle patents.

 * The Atkinson designed engine can work just like an Otto cycle engine, but firing each piston on every revolution of the crankshaft by using a linkage that doubles the stroke freqency. This Atkinson came up with to bypass the Otto patents.  By altering this linkage, however, it is possible to have 2 different length strokes in the cycle, and that's where the new Atkinson cycle comes in.

 * The root of the Atkinson cycle is that intake/compression strokes are shorter than power/exhaust strokes. That allows for more energy to be extracted from a given volume of combustion gas, as the exhaust port pressure will be lower than an engine with 4 equal length strokes.  A similar concept would be the second stage on a double expansion steam engine; the same amount of hot, high pressure gas goes in, but more work is extracted.

 * The Atkins cycle can be simulated in an Otto cycle engine by holding the intake valve open long enough to allow air to be pushed out of the cylinder, thus under-charging the cylinder, and using a smaller combustion chamber to recoup the lost compression. This is what's currently being done in hybrids.  A similar engine is the Miller cycle engine, which leaves the combustion chamber the same size and adds a supercharger to the equation; this recoups the power loss, but at some efficiency sacrifice, but still gains a bit because the supercharger is a more efficient compressor than the piston is.  scot 20:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Concentration / Internment camps
thanks for your support, and for adding "history" to the internment page, so it doesn't sound like just a dictionary entry. Anyway, no negative response yet, so maybe it will go smoothly. -- TheMightyQuill 13:22, 22 May 2006 (UTC) aww.. my very first barnstar. thanks! -- TheMightyQuill

San Francisco map
Hello, I noticed you made a couple (or more?) of the location maps used in California. Would you be willing to make one for San Francisco? Currently, it has a pretty terrible image. -- Un sogno modesto 22:59, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Non-free use disputed for Image:San Jose Logo.gif
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Universal City
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List of Latin-script alphabets

The lists and tables below summarize and compare the letter inventories of some of the Latin-script alphabets. In this article, the scope of the word "alphabet" is broadened to include letters with tone marks, and other diacritics used to represent a wide range of orthographic traditions, without regard to whether or how they are sequenced in their alphabet or the table.

Parentheses indicate characters not used in modern standard orthographies of the languages, but used in obsolete and/or dialectal forms.

Alphabets that contain only ISO basic Latin letters
Among alphabets for natural languages the English,[36] Indonesian, and Malay alphabets only use the 26 letters in both cases.

Among alphabets for constructed languages the Ido and Interlingua alphabets only use the 26 letters, while the Toki Pona uses a 14-letter subset.

Extended by ligatures

 * German (ß), Scandinavian (æ)

Extended by diacritical marks

 * Spanish (ñ), German (ä, ö, and ü)

Extended by multigraphs

 * Filipino (ng)

Alphabets that contain all ISO basic Latin letters
Among alphabets for natural languages the Afrikaans,[54] Aromanian, Azerbaijani (some dialects)[53], Basque,[4] , Celtic British, Catalan,[6] Cornish, Czech,[8] Danish,[9] Dutch,[10] Emilian-Romagnol, Filipino,[11] Finnish, French,[12] , German,[13] Greenlandic, Hungarian,[15] Javanese, Karakalpak,[23] Kurdish, Modern Latin, Luxembourgish, Norwegian,[9] Oromo[65] , Papiamento[63] , Polish[22] , Portuguese, Quechua, Rhaeto-Romance, Romanian, Slovak,[24] Spanish,[25] Sundanese, Swedish, Tswana,[52] Uyghur, Venda,[51] Võro, Walloon,[27] West Frisian, Xhosa, Zhuang, Zulu alphabets include all 26 letters, at least in their largest version.

Among alphabets for constructed languages the Interglossa and Occidental alphabets include all 26 letters.

The International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) includes all 26 letters in their lowercase forms, although g is always single-storey (ɡ) in the IPA and never double-storey.

Alphabets that do not contain all ISO basic Latin letters
This list is based on official definitions of each alphabet. However, excluded letters might occur in non-integrated loan words and place names.

The I is used in two distinct versions in Turkic languages: dotless (I ı) and İ|dotted (İ i). They are considered different letters, and case conversion must take care to preserve the distinction. Irish traditionally does not write the dot, or tittle, over the small letter i, but the language makes no distinction here if a dot is displayed, so no specific encoding and special case conversion rule is needed as it is for Turkic alphabets.

Statistics
The chart above lists a variety of alphabets that do not officially contain all 26 letters of the ISO basic Latin alphabet. In this list, one letter is used by all of them: A. For each of the 26 basic ISO Latin alphabet letters, the number of alphabets in the list above using it is as follows:

Letters not contained in the ISO basic Latin alphabet
Some languages have extended the Latin alphabet with ligatures, modified letters, or digraphs. These symbols are listed below.

Other letters in collation order
The tables below are a work in progress. Eventually, table cells with light blue shading will indicate letter forms that do not constitute distinct letters in their associated alphabets. Please help with this task if you have the required linguistic knowledge and technical editing skill.

For the order in which the characters are sorted in each alphabet, see collating sequence.

Miscellanea

 * Africa Alphabet
 * African reference alphabet
 * Beghilos
 * Gaj's Latin alphabet, is the only script of the Croatian and Bosnian standard languages in current use, and one of the two scripts of the Serbian standard language.
 * Initial Teaching Alphabet
 * International Phonetic Alphabet
 * Łatynka for Ukrainian
 * Leet (1337 alphabet)
 * Romani alphabet for most Romani languages
 * Sámi Latin alphabet
 * Standard Alphabet by Lepsius
 * Tatar alphabet, similar to Turkish alphabet and Jaꞑalif as a part of Uniform Turkic alphabet
 * Uralic Phonetic Alphabet

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