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Pai Hsien-yung

Kenneth Hsien-yung Pai (born July 11, 1937) is a Chinese writer based in Taiwan who has been described as a "melancholy pioneer". He was born in Guilin, Guangxi at the cusp of the Second Sino-Japanese War. Pai's father was the Kuomintang (KMT) general Bai Chongxi (Pai Chung-hsi), whom he later described as a "stern, Confucian father" with "some soft spots in his heart." Pai was diagnosed with tuberculosis at the age of seven, during which time he would have to live in a separate house from his siblings (of which he would have a total of nine). He lived with his family in Chongqing, Shanghai, and Nanjing before moving to the British-controlled Hong Kong in 1948 as CPC forces turned the tide of the Chinese Civil War. In 1952, Pai and his family resettled in Taiwan, where the KMT had relocated the Republic of China after defeat by the Communists in 1949.

Chronology
Pai studied in La Salle College, a Hong Kong Catholic boys' high school, until he left for Taiwan with his family. In 1956, Pai enrolled at National Cheng Kung University as a hydraulic engineering major because he wanted to participate in the Three Gorges Dam Project. The following year, he passed the entrance examination for the foreign literature department of National Taiwan University and transferred there to study English literature. In September 1958, after completing his first year of study, he published his first short story "Madame Ching" in the magazine Literature. Two years later, he collaborated with several NTU classmates—e.g., Chen Ruoxi, Wang Wen-hsing, Ouyang Tzu—to launch Modern Literature (Xiandai wenxue), in which many of his early works were published. He was also known to frequent the Cafe Astoria in Taipei.

Pai went to the US in 1963 to study literary theory and creative writing at the University of Iowa in the Iowa Writers' Workshop. That same year, Pai's mother, the parent with whom Pai had the closest relationship, died, and he attributes this to the melancholy that pervades his work. After earning his M.A. from Iowa, he became a professor of Chinese literature at the University of California, Santa Barbara, and has resided in Santa Barbara ever since. Pai retired from UCSB in 1994. Pai's cousin is Hong Kong radio personality Pamela Peck.

Major works
Pai's most famous work of fiction, Taipei People (, 1971), is a seminal work of Chinese modernism that mixes both literary Chinese and experimental modernist techniques. In terms of his choice of themes, Pai's work is also far ahead of its time. His novel, Crystal Boys (, 1983), tells the story of a group of homosexual youths living in 1960s Taipei, largely from the viewpoint of a gay youth who is thrown out of his father's home. The novel's comparison of the dark corners of Taipei's New Park, the characters' main cruising area, with the cloistered society of Taiwan of that period proved quite unacceptable to Taipei's then KMT-dominated establishment, though Pai has generally remained a loyal KMT supporter.

Influence
Among other writers in Taiwan, Pai is appreciated for sophisticated narratives that introduce controversial and groundbreaking perspectives to Chinese literature. His major works, discussed above, have been widely influential.

Further, Pai's writings while in the US in the early 1960s have greatly contributed to an understanding of the Chinese experience in postwar America. "Death in Chicago" (1964) is a semi-autobiographical account of a young Chinese man who, on the eve of his graduation from the English Literature department of the University of Chicago, discovers that his mother has died back home. "Pleasantville" (1964) explores the depressed state of a Chinese mother in the upper-class New York suburbs who feels alienated by the Americanization of her Chinese husband and daughter. Both "Death in Chicago" and "Pleasantville" subtly criticize America as a superficial and materialistic culture that can cause immigrant Chinese to feel lonely and isolated.

In recent years, Pai has gained some acclaim in Mainland Chinese literary circles. He has held various lectures at Beijing Normal University, among others. In the Beijing University Selection of Modern Chinese Literature: 1949–1999 published in 2002, three of Pai's works are included under the time period 1958–1978. These stories reflect the decadence of Shanghai high society in the Republican era. This subject matter constitutes only a small segment of Pai's diverse work, yet it fits particularly well with orthodox renditions of pre-1949 history taught on the Mainland.

In April 2000, a series of five books representing Pai's lifework was published by Huacheng Publishing House in Guangzhou. This series is widely available in Mainland bookstores. It includes short stories, essays, diary entries, and the novel Niezi. A lengthy preface in Volume 1 was penned by Ou Yangzi, a fellow member of the group that founded the journal Xiandai Wenxue in Taiwan in the 1950s.

Pai was born Muslim, attended missionary Catholic schools and embraced Buddhist meditation practices in the United States.

Portrait

 * Bai Xianyong. A Portrait by Kong Kai Ming at Hong Kong Baptist University Library

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Talk:Battle of the Yalu River (1894)

Victory
The Japanese destroyed more ships but the Chinese managed to achieve their mission of protecting the landing operation. That would be a Japanese tactical victory and a Chinese "strategic" victory, unless this battle had somehow a larger impact on the rest of the war in favor of the Japanese (which is in no way supported by the article as it is now) in which case we'd have a Japanese strategic victory, a Chinese operational victory and a Japanese tactical victory. Nothing in the article supports the box's text of a Chinese tactical victory. So for the sake of consistency I'll reedit it and I'd be grateful if SYSS Mouse could tell me why the article as it is now is correct instead of just reverting it for "vandalism" 82.135.7.211 14:27, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

 * It basically knocked the Chinese fleet out of the war, thus having a pronounced effect upon the rest of it.

Gunnery
According to McElwee, the the Japanese didn't manage to score a single hit with their 12.6" guns, whereas the Chinese scored a few with their 12". The fact that most of the Chinese fleet (exception, the two big battleships) were very vulnerable to the lighter Japanese guns (which fired more quickly) tends to overshadow this. The point is I don't think there's any real evidence that Japanese gunnery was better than Chinese. The horrible quality of Chinese shells kept the Chinese from doing much real damage.

Speed?
The two Chinese battleships are rated as having different speeds (12 and 15knots respectively), yet they were sister-ships. Can anyone suggest a reason for this?
 * Other sources suggest the speed of both as 14 knots. There are perfectly good reasons (different engines, grounding incidents) why two otherwise identical ships might have different speed ratings. I'd just like to know if this is the case or if it's merely sloppy editing.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.125.84.170 (talk) 17:09, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Needs additional citations -- there is progress
On September 2016 this article was tagged as needing more citations. I had no prior involvement with this article before this tagging. A few weeks ago I added a new source with 20+ inline citations for it. I am not necessarily saying it is time to remove the tag, but I wanted to note that since the tag was placed, there has been significant progress in the article having more citations. (talk) user:Al83tito 22:30, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

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Commercial diving

Commercial diving may be considered an application of professional diving where the diver engages in underwater work for industrial, construction, engineering, maintenance or other commercial purposes which are similar to work done out of the water, and where the diving is usually secondary to the work.

In some legislation, commercial diving is defined as any diving done by an employee as part of their job, and for legal purposes this may include scientific, public safety, media, and military diving. That is similar to the definition for professional diving, but in those cases the difference is in the status of the diver within the organisation of the diving contractor. This distinction may not exist in other jurisdictions. In South Africa, any person who dives under the control and instructions of another person within the scope of the Occupational Health and Safety Act, 1993, is within the scope of the Diving Regulations, 2009.

Offshore diving
Offshore diving is a well known branch of commercial diving, with divers working in support of the exploration and production sector of the oil and gas industry in places such as the Gulf of Mexico in the United States, the North Sea in the United Kingdom, and Norway and along the coast of Brazil. The work in this area of the industry includes maintenance of oil platforms and the building of underwater structures used in the production process.

Equipment used for offshore diving tends to be surface supplied equipment but this does vary depending on the nature of the work and location. For instance Gulf of Mexico-based divers may use wetsuits whereas North Sea divers need drysuits or even hot water suits due to the temperature of the water.

Civil engineering diving
Civil engineering works are one of the major applications of inshore and inland coastal diving projects. Much of the work is either underwater inspection or engineering construction or repair work. The types of dive sites involved is varied, and divers can be found working in harbours and lakes, on hydroelectric dams, in rivers and around bridges and pontoons, with a large amount of this work being done in freshwater. Divers may be required to inspect and repair outfalls with penetrations exceeding 600 ft, which require special safety precautions.

The equipment used does depend on the nature of the work and location, but normally surface oriented surface-supplied diving equipment is used. Saturation diving may be used for major projects in deep water, and scuba may occasionally be used for inspections or light work where the regulations or code of practice permit.

Construction and repair
Construction:

Concrete work:
 * Clearing and preparation. Dredging, airlifting, waterjetting, In-water surface cleaning. Shuttering and formwork, bagwork. Reinforcement. Underwater concrete placement - Tremie, pumped concrete, skip placement, toggle bags.
 * Concrete repair: Grouting

Fixing bolts: Drilling and core drilling

Pipe installation (Outfalls) Pipeline support and protection, Mattresses,

Hazmat diving
HAZMAT diving is one of the most dangerous branches of the commercial diving industry, employing highly skilled and experienced staff.

Typical work involves diving into raw sewage or dangerous chemicals, such as paper pulp, liquid cement, or oil sludge. This leads to special requirements:
 * The divers may need to be vaccinated against diseases such as hepatitis and tetanus.
 * Suitable equipment and competent personnel are required for decontamination of the diver and diving equipment after a dive.
 * Emergency procedures appropriate to the specific hazmat environment must be planned and equipment and personnel in place to safely recover the diver if something goes wrong.
 * Personnel must be monitored after exposure for possible long term effects.

The tasks a diver may be required to do in a contaminated environment include:
 * Essential maintenance of underwater valves and sluice gates.
 * Repairing damaged pipelines.
 * Pollution control work to contain, control and clean up after a pollution incident.
 * Sampling activities, such as those performed by United States Environmental Protection Agency. units specializing in polluted water diving, and the Environmental Response Team dive units.
 * Diving in landfill sites to maintain the pumping equipment, vital in preventing landfill sites from filling up with rainwater and contaminating the water table.
 * Maintenance and repair work inside functioning sewers, sewage treatment works, or working in septic tanks.
 * Maintenance and repair work in nuclear plant.
 * Miscellaneous repairs and finding lost objects.
 * Finding and recovering corpses after crimes, accidents and disasters. - This work is usually done by police divers and public safety divers, though military divers may be called in to assist for major incidents.

Potable water diving
Potable water diving is diving in a tank for potable water. This is usually done for inspection and cleaning tasks. A person who is trained to do this work may be described as a potable water diver. The risks to the diver associated with potable water diving are related to the access, confined spaces and outlets for the water. The risk of contamination of the water is managed by isolating the diver in a clean dry-suit and helmet or full-face mask which are decontaminated before the dive.

Salvage diving
Salvage diving is the diving work associated with the recovery of all or part of ships, their cargoes, aircraft, and other vehicles and structures which have sunk or fallen into water. In the case of ships it may also refer to repair work done to make an abandoned or distressed but still floating vessel more suitable for towing or propulsion under its own power.

Most salvage diving is commercial work, or military work, depending on the diving contractor and the purpose for the salvage operation, Clearance diving, the removal of obstructions and hazards to navigation, is closely related to salvage diving, but has a different purpose, in that the objects to be removed are not intended to be recovered, just removed or reduced to a condition where they no longer constitute a hazard. Many of the techniques and procedures used in clearance diving are also used in salvage work.

Ships husbandry diving

Ships husbandry is the maintenance, cleaning, and general upkeep of the hull, rigging, and equipment of a ship, and may also refer to aspects of maintenance which are not specifically covered by the technical departments.

Underwater ship husbandry includes:
 * Underwater hull cleaning to remove fouling organisms which increase drag, and therefore reduce top speed and increase fuel consumption. Such cleaning may be of the entire hull or parts thereof, particularly propellers, shafts and thrusters.
 * Non-destructive testing and inspection including fouling surveys, inspection of known or suspected damage to structure, equipment or coatings, and inspection of repairs.
 * Underwater repair of structure, appendages, and equipment, and small areas of paintwork.

Diving suit
Depending on the water temperature, depth and duration of the planned dive, the diver will either use a wetsuit, dry suit or hot water suit. A wetsuit provides thermal insulation by layers of foam neoprene but the diver gets wet. Hot water diving suits are similar to a wetsuit but are flooded with warm water from a surface water heater that is then pumped to the diver via an umbilical. A dry suit is another method of protection, operating by keeping the diver dry under the suit, and relies on either the suit material or the air trapped in thermal undergarments to insulate the diver, and also provides better isolation from environmental contamination. Certain applications require a specific type of dive suit; long dives into deep, cold water normally require a hot water suit or dry suit, whilst diving into potentially contaminated environments requires a dry suit, dry hood, and dry gloves at a minimum, thereby keeping the diver completely isolated from the diving environment.

Breathing apparatus
A number of factors dictate the type of breathing apparatus used by the diver. Typical considerations include the length of the dive, water contamination, space constraints and vehicle access for support vehicles. Commercial divers will rarely use scuba equipment for occupational health and safety reasons.

Scuba diving
Open circuit scuba equipment is occasionally used by commercial divers working on sites where surface supplied equipment is unsuitable, such as around raised structures like a water tower, or in remote locations where it is necessary to carry equipment to the dive site. Normally, for comfort and for practicality, a full face mask such as those manufactured by Kirby Morgan will be used to allow torches and video cameras to be mounted onto the mask. The benefit of full-face masks is that they are considered safer, as they protect the airway, and can normally be used with surface supplied equipment as well as scuba, reducing the need for contractor to have two different sets of equipment and the spares to service them.

Surface-supplied diving
This is the most common type of equipment used in professional diving, and the one most recognised by the public. Surface-supplied equipment can be used with full face masks or diving helmets, which are normally fitted with diver to surface communication equipment, and often with light sources and video equipment. The decision between wearing a full-face mask or a full diving helmet comes down to job requirements and personal preference, however the impact protection and warmth offered by a full diving helmet makes it popular for underwater construction sites and cold water work.

Breathing gas for the diver is piped down from the surface, through a long, flexible hose, bundled with other services and called an diver's umbilical. In addition to breathing gas, the umbilical will have additional hoses and cables for such things as communications equipment, a pneumofathometer for measuring depth, or hot water should the diver be using a hot water suit. The umbilical must be strong enough to support the diver's weight, with a significant safety margin, and securely connected to the diver's harness, because it may be used by surface personnel to pull the diver out of the water. Breathing gas is may be supplied from either high pressure storage cylinders or through a gas compressor. An emergency gas supply is carried by the diver.

Saturation diving
If the diver is to work at fairly constant depths for periods which would require long periods for decompression, the diver may temporarily live in a pressurised surface habitat called a saturation system, and be transported under pressure in a closed bell to and from the underwater workplace. The various chambers, including the diving bell to bring the divers to their work site, are called Pressure vessel for human occupancy.This type of diving is known as saturation diving. The same techniques for supplying breathing gas are used as in surface oriented surface-supplied diving, with the diving bell receiving breathing gas and other essential services from the surface. If diving at extreme depths, helium-based breathing gas mixtures are used to prevent nitrogen narcosis and oxygen toxicity which would otherwise occur due to the high ambient pressure. The diver is decompressed only once, at the end of the job, which saves time and reduces risk of decompression injury.

Training and registration
In most jurisdictions the diving training and certification is the same for all branches of commercial diving, but specialist training may be needed for specific work skills associated with the application.

Diver training is the set of processes through which a person learns the necessary and desirable skills to safely dive underwater within the scope of the diver training standard relevant to the specific training programme. Most diver training follows procedures and schedules laid down in the associated training standard, in a formal training programme, and includes relevant foundational knowledge of the underlying theory, including some basic physics, physiology and environmental information, practical skills training in the selection and safe use of the associated equipment in the specified underwater environment, and assessment of the required skills and knowledge deemed necessary by the certification agency to allow the newly certified diver to dive within the specified range of conditions at an acceptable level of risk. Recognition of prior learning is allowed in some training standards.

Diver training is closely associated with diver certification or registration, the process of application for and issue of formal recognition of competence by a certification agency or registration authority. Commercial diver certification is generally in terms of a diver training standard published by a national government organisation or department, or an international organisation of which such national bodies are members. Training standards specify the mode of diving, equipment and scope of operations for divers registered in terms of that standard. International recognition of professional diver certification may require registration through a national government agency or an agency appointed by a national government for this purpose.

Work skills specific to the underwater environment may be included in diver trailing programmes, but are also often provided independently, either as job training for a specific operation, or as generic training by specialists in the fields.

Demographics
US Bureau of Labor occupational employment statistics for May 2019 for commercial divers, excluding athletes and sports competitors, law enforcement personnel, and hunting and fishing workers. The national employment estimate is 3,420 employees, at a mean annual wage of $67,100 and mean hourly rate of $32.26 for this occupation, Actual rates can vary from about half to about twice these figures. Employment is concentrated in coastal states. These figures are slightly higher than for 2017.

Association of Commercial Diving Educators
The Association of Commercial Diving Educators, Inc. (ACDE) is a section 501 (c) (3) organization established in 1979 to communicate between industry and schools which provide commercial diver training. Membership includes US public and private educational organisations.

Goals:
 * To promote consistency and quality of commercial diver training amongst member schools.
 * To provide oversight and quality assurance of the ANSI/ACDE-01-2015 National Training Standard.
 * To communicate and participate with local, state and federal authorities, business, commerce and industry in the development and maintenance of high standards and sound policies in the field of diving education.
 * To provide academic and training expertise to government training agencies and commercial diving industries and their representative organizations.

Member Schools
 * The Ocean Corporation
 * Divers Academy International
 * International Diving Institute
 * Commercial Diving Academy
 * Louisiana Technical College

The ANSI/ACDE-01-2015 Minimum Standard for Commercial Diver Training was revised and approved by ANSI in 2015.

Association of Diving Contractors International
The Association of Diving Contractors International (ADCI) is a non-profit organization which promotes standards and issues certifications for commercial diving skills. ADCI publishes Consensus Standards for Commercial Diving Operations, which defines qualifications for its diving certifications and safety procedures in underwater activities.

European Diving Technology Committee
The European Diving Technology Committee (EDTC) is tasked with promoting good standards for diving within Europe and where practicable, coordinating differing standards. As part of this work they publish high level minimum competence standards for inshore and offshore diving industry personnel as guidance for member states to encourage harmonisation of standards and facilitate international recognition of commercial diver qualifications.

International Marine Contractors Association
The International Marine Contractors Association (IMCA) is the international trade association representing offshore, marine, and underwater engineering companies. Contractors, suppliers, training establishments, personnel agencies and non-voting corresponding organisations (oil companies, governmental and regulatory bodies) can become members in one or more of the four divisions (Diving, Marine, Offshore Survey, Remote Systems & ROV).

International Diving Regulators and Certifiers Forum
The International Diving Regulators and Certifiers Forum (IDRCF) confirmed its principals and purpose at their meeting in London in September 2009. The statement of principals and purpose states “The forum has agreed to work together towards mutual recognition to identify and implement best practice in diver training and assessment with the objective of harmonising cross-border diver training outside Europe.” Members of the IDRCF include ADAS (Australia), DCBC (Canada), HSE (UK), PSA (Norway), and the Secretariat General to the Sea Progress Committee (France).

International Diving Schools Association
IThe International Diving Schools Association (DSA) was formed in 1982 with the primary purpose of developing common international standards for commercial diver training.

The Association is concerned with offshore, inshore and inland commercial diving and some specialist non-diving qualifications such as diving supervisors, diving medical technicians and life support technicians. It has published international diver training standards based on the consensus opinion of members which provide a basic standard of comparison for commercial diver training standards, with the stated intention of:- IDSA provides a Table of Equivalence of various national commercial diver training standards.
 * Improving safety
 * Providing contractors with a direct input to the diver training syllabus
 * Enabling contractors to bid across national borders on a more even playing field
 * Improving diver quality
 * Providing divers with greater job opportunities

Safety record
Commercial diving remains a relatively dangerous occupation, but the rate of fatal accidents has decreased over the years.

Statistics of fatal commercial diving accidents in the UK between 1996 and 2010 compiled by the HSE UK

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Talk:Battle of Sarhū

Nagashino
Why would it be compared to the battle of Nagashino, a battle where the cavalry famously lost and were destroyed by guns. In this case the cavalry won, surely its the complete opposite of Nagashino? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.34.51 (talk) 21:02, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Moving
I think the page should move to "Battle of Sarhū". The Manchu word "sarhū" means "food-shelf"in English.(A Classified Dictionary of Spoken Manchu by Kengo Yamamoto 1969) --Lijiahao0410 (talk) 13:30, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:Bulgogi

Italicize?
Per MOS:FOREIGNITALIC I think there's some uncertainty as to whether we should italicize "bulgogi". This seems to suggest that "bulgogi" is gradually becoming a word in the English language, but I think it's still leaning towards a niche culinary Korean loanword. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 18:20, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

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User:RatOmeter

I am petitioning to be the poster boy for the term "Jack of all trades, master at none."

I have a varied background the electronics, software, embedded systems, hydraulics, robotics, technical writing, renewable energy and others.

I live in Stillwater, Oklahoma, USA.

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Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Archive 6

Summary of January 2004 – February 2004

February 2004 summary
This is a summary of Wikipedia talk:Votes for deletion for February 2004. See also February uncut.
 * 1) Miscellaneous events and comments in February
 * 2) *Wikikiwi noted issues with page size and edit conflicts.
 * 3) *Bmills wondered if we needed a reminder that people must read articles before voting on them. Gentgeen agreed. Angela was unsure. Pcb21 thought it unlikely to be effective. Angela said users voting without reading articles should have their votes ignored.
 * 4) *Zestauferov proclaimed that "VfD has become a harbour for the same old group of censorship bandits"! He asked people to use talk pages instead and noted the need for clearer policies and summaries of those policies.
 * 5) *Sam Spade asked what can be done about trivial lists and zandperl asked what can be done about porn. They were redirected to Wikipedia talk:List and Wikipedia talk:Content disclaimer by Angela and Reddi.
 * 6) *orthogonal explained how he fixed an edit conflict. Dandrake apologized for trouble caused and Michael Snow confirmed all was well and removed orthogonal's notice from VfD.
 * 7) *Jamesday protected VfD following a page history loss caused by the page being moved. Texture noted sysops were ignoring the protection.
 * 8) *Francs2000 fixed something on Feb 27 but didn't say what.
 * 9) Deletion before all votes are complete
 * 10) * Texture noted that the deletion policy requires a five-day period to allow people to vote on a deletion request and said deleting early prevents valid consensus as not everyone will have voted. Bmills agreed as a user could come with an irrefutable argument why a page should be kept or deleted. Texture suggested it would be ok for the VfD tag to be removed, but the votes should stay on VfD 5 days. Pcb21 argued keeping items that would not be deleted was "a complete waste of space and resources" but Texture felt it was important for people to see the votes and understand what action was taken. Pcb21 said this was harmful (page too large, genuine listings get lost) and that people could check the page history instead. He clarified this in the deletion policy. Texture still felt people should be allowed to see the votes and requested deletions.  Pcb21 said in that case, discussions could be moved to talk pages and noted that it is not necessary for every member of the community to be involved in every minor decision. They continued to disagree on whether policy allowed early removal of fixed items.
 * 11) *BL and Angela reported they had removed listings from VfD for space reasons. Angela explained that the point of VfD is to get pages deleted, not to have some discussion on the merits of pages that aren't, which means pages that are not going to get deleted have no reason to remain on VfD.
 * 12) Re-nomination policy
 * 13) *Raul654 asked what should be done about re-nominations of kept articles. Angela thought they should be removed. Kingturtle proposed no re-nominations for at least one year. Sj agreed relistings were a problem and thought that people should list less on VfD in general. He said to use cleanup, and to check an article had not been VfD'd before.
 * 14) *Anthony DiPierro suggested a three months rule of thumb and felt that if consensus to delete an article was reached, it should be deleted regardless of what happened in the past. He also said there should be a way to take things off VfD early but that this was notspecific to re-nominations. Meelar and Jamesday agreed with Kingturtle though Jamesday said that if an article is clearly significantly worse than the last time it left VfD, there's no need to bar relisting. Relistings would be assisted if VfD discussions were always placed on talk pages.
 * 15) Proposal: shortened VFD time for spammed ads
 * 16) *Modemac wanted blatant ads to be more speedily deleted. Pcb21 disagreed and said we should go through the process of identifying whether the website is worthy of an entry, and then re-writing to removed ad-iness. Palapala felt a week for ads was find and that some of these might be interesting if modified. Anthony DiPierro said it wasn't possible to know if something was really just an ad, and said the ad part of an entry, and the non-encyclopedic part, could be blanked, if there is a consensus that this is the case.
 * 17) Moan about how- to listings
 * 18) *theresa knott wanted people to stop listing how-tos and moved them to Wikibooks. Gentgeen explained people had objected to the speedy deletion of pages moved to wikibooks. See m:Talk:Transwiki. Davodd said some how tos, such as Poker were appropriate. Angela said that if people want something moved to Wikibooks, they ought to move it to Wikibooks and then list it on VfD and proposed removing listings of items that need to be moved where the person listing it has not bothered to move it. Patrick agreed with the proposal. Dpbsmith wanted to know what was wrong with how tos. See How-to. Jamesday thought some how-tos and recipes are encyclopedic and said they should be kept. Theresa knott disagreed and said moving to wikibooks was not the same as deleting. Jamesday said links to wikibooks are no good in a print version.
 * 19) Who can decide to remove "clear votes" before seven days?
 * 20) *Secretlondon asked who should remove articles from VfD and Pcb21 replied that no-one should remove an entry if they have voted. Later in the month, Texture asked the same question. Anthony DiPierro felt anyone could if there was no reason given for deletion. Francs2000 agreed for items where there was a clear consensus to keep an article, or if an article had been rewritten. Texture still felt additional clarification of the rules was needed.
 * 21) Size
 * 22) *Optim brought up the age-old issue of page size. RickK suggested he use edit section links. Optim said even sections were too large, though Angela disputed this.
 * 23) *Angela wondered whether we should go back to the page per day scheme or use Deletion requests instead. Dori proposed sections containing only 10 items.
 * 24) *Anthony DiPierro felt the solution was to stop voting on the same issues over and over again and to stop listing things that have no consensus for deletion. Cyan noted that it was not always obvious what will get consensus and through interaction on VfD better solutions can be found. He noted that an adversarial attitude regarding deletions creates an unfriendly atmosphere on the page. Anthony thought VfD was inherently adversarial and thought it not important to bring nominations to anyone's attention. Cyan considered consensus-building and discussion about possible courses of action important. Anthony said VfD is not about consensus-building and that deletion is not a reasonable course of action for the vast majority of nominations. Anthony DiPierro blamed the deletionists for the adversarial nature of VfD and RickK blamed the inclusionists. Cyan concluded that this was the other reason for acrimony and that neither faction had been particularly careful to direct discussion away from unnecessarily inflammatory comments or to express respect for opposing views.
 * 25) **Two households, both alike in dignity... -- WormRunner
 * 26) ***LOL. :-) RickK 04:48, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

January 2004 summary
This is a summary of Wikipedia talk:Votes for deletion for January 2004. See also January uncut.

 * 1) Jimbo wants VfD gone
 * 2) *To kick off the first fight of the new year, Jimbo made the suggestion on the mailing list that VfD was "completely broken". RickK claimed he would never delete anything again and an anon tried to spark debate by bringing up issues of deletionism and groupthink. Onebyone cut him down with the comment "I take it that by vanilla mainstream / groupthink you mean verifiable and neutral?". Angela claimed Jimbo was wrong as he had made his comment in the context of believing that Palestinian views of the peace process had been deleted, which it had not. She announced VfD was a wonderful place, with poor articles being saved as a direct result of being listed. PMC backed this up with examples. Another anon popped up to say he was horrified at the squabbling and that VfD was somehow to blame for the over-representation of Rambot articles.
 * 3) Let's get rid of VfD
 * 4) *Theresa suggested that pages should be cleaned up, not deleted as it was off-putting for newbies. She was glad that pages were being moved to Wikibooks instead of being deleted but less pleased that sysops were deleting pages based on a majority rather than a consensus. She made some suggestions for new pages as an alternative to VfD. Angela pointed out that these pages already exist at deleted test, Things to be moved to Wiktionary and Transwiki. Fuzheado said the only alternative to VfD was carnage. Dpbsmith suggested that instead of VfD we classify articles Slashdot-style so people could browse at -1 and see "asdf" pages if they wanted to. Angela recommended creating a page at Meta to discuss it further. Onebyone suggested linking junk pages to "Wikipedia:Complete garbage".
 * 5) Proposal for a New VfD System
 * 6) *Optim proposed a new VfD based on Taylor's Scientific Management principles which would punish people for proposing to delete a page that was not later deleted and pay them some sort of wikimoney for good deletion decisions. Only users with enough "money" would be given a vote. He added that the goal of VFD is to prevent trolls and vandals from destroying Wikipedia and clarified that VFD should exist but not be overused and reminded us all of the importance of WikiLove and WikipediAhimsa. Angela felt that punishing newbies for not understanding how Wikipedia policies apply to articles to be deleted was probably not the way to go. Meelar agreed that VfD is overused but saw Optim's proposal as harmful for new users and overly complicated. He recommended pages go to cleanup before VfD. theresa knott found this a sensible idea. Finlay McWalter noted that not only is VfD overused, it is also over-confrontational. His recommendations included gentler boilerplates, discussions on articles before they hit VfD, time on cleanup first, interwiki candidates to be listed elsewhere, and a split of VfD into a list of days with links to pages. Jiang was critical of the Wikimoney idea and saw no need to introduce capitalism to the process. He noted that cleanup was already an overused dumping ground. Optim reminded people that his suggestion was not meant to be taken seriously. ESP said that punishing people for trying to improve the quality of Wikipedia, however ignorant or misguided they may be, was probably not the best policy.
 * 7) Headers and voting
 * 8) *Angela asked people not to add headers to every entry without reading the past discussion on them. Jiang noted that RickK had gone mad. He also suggested people ignore votes not accompanied by a reason. Lord Emsworth thought that much too complicated. Angela said that it was up to the person deleting the page to decide what weight to give votes without reasons. Delirium pointed out that the only person to complain about a deletion he'd made was The Cunctator. Texture explained that he was more likely to speak up if he disagreed with a deletion than if he agreed.
 * 9) Democratize the deletion process
 * 10) *mydogategodshat's "Lets give the process back to the people" proposal aimed to make the process less time consuming and ad hoc by appending a form to every article which would allow people to give a score between 1 and 5. This would put deletion in the hands of all Wikipedians and be largely automated. Angela pointed in the direction of Deletion management redesign. unkamunka liked the score-based idea but queried the technical implementation of it. mydogategodshat thought that would simple enough.
 * 11) Proposal for reform - deletion credits
 * 12) *In the fourth proposal in as many days, the now-banned user The Fellowship of the Troll (TFofT) said everyone should have deletion credits. Only those who had made enough contributions elsewhere would be allowed near VfD. Angela reminded TFotT that deleting pages was just a maintenance task, not some sort of wonderful privilege. PMC told TFotT that VfD was not a power game, and that it served a useful purpose in freeing the site from trash. RickK noted that TFotT seemed mysteriously knowledgeable about VfD for a newbie. Mark noted that such a system would prevent anons from voting. TFotT brought up groupthink once again and a long, and somewhat off-topic, discussion on the characteristics of groupthink ensued between him and Tuf-Kat, who thought the proposal was needlessly obtuse and not something that would reduce groupthink anyway. Delirium noted that whilst a lot of legitimate stuff is listed here, little of it is deleted. TFotT suggested everyone analyse the contributions of those voting. Onebyone said he wouldn't do this until TFotT demonstrated that the system was broken. Tuf-Kat wondered why TFofT didn't just ask a few people why they don't vote. TFotT thought that would not be credible enough.
 * 13) Deletion policy
 * 14) *Elsewhere, Eloquence was plotting to split VfD into a voting page and a discussion page.
 * 15) Proposal to limit edit conflicts and huge VfD page size
 * 16) *Not wanting to be left out of the "I made a VfD proposal" club, mav brought us this month's sixth proposal. This involved moving all discussion to the talk pages. The pros included limiting edit conflicts, increasing participation, making the page smaller, making it easier to find discussions and making it easier for admins to maintain the page. Downsides listed included the fact it was a new way of doing things, that it would not be possible to view the discussion on many topics all at once and that you would have to edit two pages to list an item. Optim thought discussions should go on /delete subpages but withdrew this when mav said that was too complicated. UtherSRG liked the idea and pointed out the would need to be changed. Angela suggested all new proposals be postponed until Eloquence's one had been voted on. mav said his proposal was more popular than Eloquence's, but that the two could be merged if necessary. ledgerbob asked if VfD could be automatically generated from a list of all pages with . Angela said it couldn't as you wouldn't know when things were ready to be deleted, so would have to check 60 different pages. Imran proposed splitting vfd by reason for nomination. Presumably people were fed up of proposals by this stage and no one replied. A user claiming not to be a troll popped up and asked not to be called a troll. Not wanting to be completely off topic, he also said VfD was too large.
 * 17) No Sign of Discussion on "Explain your vote"
 * 18) *Finally, the discussion moved away from proposal making, and Jerzy objected to the idea one should give a reason for deletion along with their vote. Finlay McWalter agreed that voters should not be obligated to explain or defend their votes. Oliver P, however, disagreed and stated that the intention of VfD was to reach consensus, something not likely to be achieved by an uncommented vote. Onebyone said that articles already are only deleted if the admin perceives a need to and that nominations with no reason given, plus votes with no reasons given, should not be deleted. Anthony DiPierro argued that reasons to keep were not needed as all articles should be kept by default. Texture said that articles are kept by default and that exceptions are listed on VfD, hence reasons need to be given. Anthony DiPierro wanted to know what would happen if he didn't have any reason. Texture suggested he would be ignored and that he ought to refute the reason given to delete the page. Anthony DiPierro still did not see why a reason has to be refuted. Sam Spade (Jack Lynch at the time) thought that explanations were usually necessary. Angela told them all to stop arguing until the vote was over on Eloquence's proposal. Jerzy wondered if he could save some time by allowing someone to cast proxy votes for him.


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Talk:Busan

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The information in the article is relevant, but correct grammar is not used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.61.143.204 (talk) 20:56, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

3RR
I believe that user Luccas is coming dangerously close to violating the 3-revert rule. His vandalism of my edits, changing the name Pusan to the nonsense word "Busan" is beginning to get ridiculous. I wish he would stop and realize that this is the English language Wikipedia, not the Korean language version.

 * Who are you?? If you really have done some edits on Busan please log on your account and restate your objection, because there are no contribution on this article done by 205.203.136.135. In the mean time I would appreciate if you read the following articles:

Luccas 09:42, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia:3-revert rule; "An editor must not perform more than three reversions, in whole or in part, on a single Wikipedia article within a 24 hour period"
 * Naming conventions (Korean); "Place names are romanized according to the official romanization system of the country the place is a part of"
 * Revised Romanization of Korean; "The Revised Romanization of Korean is the official Korean language romanization system in South Korea"

 * Maybe it would be a good idea to add, “formerly known as Pusan”? Similar to “It was formerly known in English as Peking or Peiking [English Pronunciation]” on the Beijing article. I know on a lot of older maps, and history books you’ll still see Pusan, and this could lead to confusion. I didn’t realize they changed the Romanization, I know it’s a bit of a PITA with Hangul. - Mefanch 22:51, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Busan
the correct romanisation is Busan.

In english (which this is an english article) the name of the city is pusan. THIS MUST BE CHANGED the name may be busan in some other language but it is officially pusan in the english language

 * This is incorrect. The official name of this city in the English language is Busan. The official site of the city has no mention of Busan other than for perhaps educational institutions (for which romanization of their names have been unchanged, so both Busan and Pusan can be seen on this page). Also, please refer to the brief by the Ministry of Culture and Tourism here. It is my belief that the official name is none other than Busan following the promulgation of the Revised Romanization of Korean in 2000. pencil_ethics 13:02, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Please note that regardless of which system of transliteration of Korean into English is preferred, the use of Busan is making the article very inconsistent. There are references to "Pusan National University", for example. I suspect that until the new romanization system gains greater acceptance, "Pusan" should be used. Additionally -- should other articles be changed? (See, e.g., Pusan Perimeter, Pusan National University. I think a reference to the fact at the beginning of the article that Pusan is also spelled "Busan" would be sufficient for now.  Please let's not get into an immature argument over this, eh?  67.171.68.188 01:48, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I don't see the inconsistency. "Pusan National University" is the name of that (distinguished) university; calling it "Busan National University" would simply be incorrect.  The Pusan Perimeter is a more complicated case, but here Use common names would seem to apply.  "Pusan Perimeter" is a historical term, and if historians are a bit retrograde in their choice of romanization that shouldn't come as a surprise. Cheers, -- Visviva 10:14, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I also agree with Visviva's position on this matter. In any case, following the promulgation of the Revised Romanization, all locality names in English were updated accordingly (i.e. Inchon => Incheon, Kwangju => Gwangju, etc.) and Busan is not exempt. In fact, it is notable that neither the Incheon or Gwangju articles have discussions in the talk page about the correct romanization. pencil_ethics 13:02, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

 * One additional point of note: neither the Incheon or Gwangju articles mention the former names. pencil_ethics 13:05, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

 * The current condition of the article is unfortunate. I strongly suggest that the name of the city be expressed in the article text according to Wikipedia conventions. In the current state of the article, as of the date of this post, a number of spellings are being used concurrently. What's going on here? Mumun 無文 12:16, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I also go with Busan. When the Korean Government adopted the Revised Romanization in 2000 it spent a great deal of money to immeditely instore the new system. So it's with the rest of the world that the new romanization system is slow to gain greater acceptance. — Luccas 15:48, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

 * The article is the subject of periodic and patterned vandalism regarding romanisation of Busan. I think it clear that, with a few exceptions listed above, romanisation should follow the Revised romanisation of July 2000 following Wikipedia convention. However, in order to avoid revert wars and trollish behaviour as per WP:Troll, let's be gracious and patient (esp. with anon. IPs), give obvious but mild warnings, and practice slow reverts if possible. However, we need to be very firm with those who ignore logic and policy. It is vandalism to repeatedly insert 'Pusan' according to Wikipedia policy, so let's report repeat offenders and similar IPs to the persistent vandalism board. Then if they cause a fuss, we can refer their behaviour to the incident board -- Mumun 無文 11:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

It is not a big deal is it? I gets redirected here anyways. Kingj123 (talk) 04:58, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Population "...could be as high as XX.."
Wikipedia is not a crystal ball and so there will be no guessing or estimating what Busan's population might be given X circumstance. The passage that attempted to guess what some population "might be" or "could be" was removed. Here we are to use only the most current data from the current national census. Please check What Wikipedia is not. However, and somebody please correct me if I am wrong, we could add the official census populations of Busan, Gimhae, and Yangsan together and use that as an unofficial figure somewhere in the text. Mumun 無文 10:25, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Using info from Wikipedia I added the populations of Gimhae, Yangsan, and Busan together and get 4,287,991. This is somewhat lower than the number that previously appeared in the text. Mumun 無文 22:50, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Meaning?
When did the name Busan/Pusan come about, and what does it mean? That is to say, why is the city called iron kettle (釜) mountain (山)? This would be interesting and useful information. LordAmeth (talk) 05:01, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

red links
I don't think we should have links to nonexisting articles in the introduction. It looks unprofessional and contributes to Wikipedia having a bad reputation. 210.117.246.250 (talk) 01:52, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

History section
This section should be expand considering Busan in South Korea's 2nd largest city. It's very important city for Korea. --Korsentry 05:49, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Tourism section
Busan is also the popular tourist destination for Japanese & Russian because of close proximity and being largest port access point for Korea. Please expand it. --Korsentry 05:49, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Fusan
= the name of Busan during the Japanese rule Böri (talk) 15:04, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Area???
I'm noticing this in every Korean city article I'm searching up. Inconsistencies. The Busan city home page places the area at 765.64km 2 , the Busan article places the area at 765.94km  2. What is the area??? -- Exec. Tassadar  ( comments,  contribs ) 10:53, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Two or Three cities?
The article lists three cities not captured by the Japanese and yet says that two cities were not captured. This is an obvious contradiction. And why does every Korean page contain so much rampant nationalism and bias? You guys are literally arguing over a single letter... P or B... By the way... Its a B, I was just there last weekend and its spelled with a B virtually everywhere you go! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.60.70.39 (talk) 05:17, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Educate yourself. It's the English speaking person, who probably spelled Busan with Pusan.  Please think before posting.  Korean language is not harsh sounding.  It's Gim not Kim.  Ask a Korean person for the right pronunciation, go to Korea for Korean food, before you judge how Korean food tastes.  The food is much better than in the states. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.172.2.78 (talk) 00:18, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Proposed move
I'm probably not the first to suggest it, but I propose we move "Busan" to "Pusan". The vast majority of Wikipedia articles refer to the city as Pusan. To wit: Pusan International Film Festival, Battle of the Pusan Perimeter, Pusan National University, Pusan University of Foreign Studies, Pusan Film Critics Awards, etc. Also, most maps, encylcopedia, and web pages refer to it as Pusan. I say move. What say you? RM (Be my friend) — Preceding undated comment added 20:43, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Support:

 * Oppose:

I don't accept to move "Busan to "Pusan"
I don't agree with Reenem. We should use the Revised Romanization of Korean because that's the official romanization of South Korea. Lee, Eungki C. (talk) 13:44, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

I support moving "Busan" to "Pusan"
I agree with Reenem. The Revised Romanization has been adopted by South Korean government and thus can regulate the use of English only within S. Korea. The rest of the world still use "Pusan". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.248.23.250 (talk) 11:19, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * So [{Kaliningrad]] stays Königsberg in other languages just because change isn't necessary? --88.64.181.143 (talk) 22:15, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Expand?
We should expand Busan by adding more references and sections. Is it okay to add the section "Population"? If somebody is not answering me for a week, I'll do it myself. I post this on April 7, 2012 according to the US time. Lee, Eungki C. (talk) 13:44, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I can't wait, I'll do it my self. Lee, Eungki C. (talk) 07:42, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Some Request
Someone should add some of these images as the first 3 are relating to the history of Busan.

I strongly suggest to have some of those included in the article, and to put the images relating to tourism on the be on the tourism section in a gallery. Nice Stranger5810 (talk) 14:30, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Nice Stranger5810 I will try placing some up. Are the pictures yours? Cause if it is, maybe a barnstar would be my offer. Thanks for the contribution. HanSangYoon (talk) 01:06, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Some Demographic changes...
The article is in need of a "Demographics" section. I could do this by my self but it should not be removed unless if there is a reason. I'll wait for a day to edit this article, I hope there will be a fast reply or no reply as normal. Nice Stranger5810 (talk) 11:35, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Can someone explain why there's not a flag for this city?
I see other cities or counties in Wikipedia with flags. Can someone find a flag for this city "Dynamic Busan", and place it up here? Mucho appreciation. HanSangYoon (talk) 01:04, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

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Requested move 5 December 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 14:13, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Busan → Pusan – I understand that there has been some inconclusive discussion about how to title this page (I myself went looking for "Pusan" today and when I was redirected to "Busan" I was certain that this was an error!). According to WP:COMMONNAME we should title our articles by the name that the subject is most commonly known by, even in preference to a subject's official name, so long as that name is the one used in published reliable sources-- do not the majority of published reliable English sources use "Pusan"? To the extent that this is so, should we not move this article to that namespace? To support this proposed move, which any editor is welcome to do, please edit this page and scroll to the bottom and add a new line of text by typing. To oppose, do the same thing but type "Oppose" rather than "Support". Thank you. A loose necktie (talk) 17:53, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose: You are right, WP:COMMONNAME states that articles should be named based on what the majority of reliable sources refer to them as, and the majority of English sources refer to the city as "Busan", not "Pusan". So this article should reflect that. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  21:53, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose move. It doesn't look like Pusan's the common name anymore. Let's keep it at the status quo.  O.N.R.  (talk) 04:12, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Most of the shipping resources use Busan. Fob.schools (talk) 13:36, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

 * Oppose, ngrams suggests that use of "Pusan" has declined significantly for the past 20 years and has recently been overtaken by "Busan". BegbertBiggs (talk) 01:38, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

 * The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Write the names of the places shown in pics of infobox.Success think (talk) 18:41, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

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Clutter
In the first half of the article the right side of the page is looking really cluttered for me. Can someone find a way to reorganize or prune it? toobigtokale (talk) 11:00, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

 * Hi, Most of the pictures and one box belong to history and and names section, but the chart and city view belong to Geography and climate, I honestly cannot rearrange them in a good way.
 * Side note: Isn't that time to make an archive of this talk page?PAper GOL (talk) 20:16, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That population box was in the wrong place I moved it to the demographics section.PAper GOL (talk) 20:22, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

boda de shacty so in soo
boda 2806:2F0:9000:FD8C:4C83:4B2B:ACF4:DF10 (talk) 16:34, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

title: Talk:Busan


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Talk:Buyeo County

Tourist area
In the last decade or so, the city completed a massive historic/tourist complex north of town.64.53.191.77 (talk) 14:22, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

title: Talk:Buyeo County