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Talk:July 20

Copyedit
I put this page on needing copyediting because I've been staring at it so long it needs fresh sets of eyes to look it over. PedanticallySpeaking 15:26, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC)

 * Good God - 62KB? This article is now too long to be useful to most people. The purpose of the day pages has never been to document everything that happened on that day, but to include the most notable events. Each section in this article badly needs to be summarized/abridged and the current detail moved to Events of July 20, Births on July 20, and Deaths on July 20 (the last two would be a bit redundant with category:July 20 births and category:July 20 deaths, but oh well). --mav

 * I got it down to below 32K, but it still needs work. Kingturtle 03:24, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Subpages
I today created subpages to the article, two for events, one each for births and deaths. I also restored the references section to the main page and placed it on each of the subpages. None of them produce a message about the length of the article.

The statement was made that the page is "too long" and not useful. I compiled this so that for every year for the past eighty years has at least one event. Everyone is curious as to what happened on the day they were born and this enables them to find out at least one thing. PedanticallySpeaking 18:07, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * That is a very creative solution, but it can't remain. There is a specific format agreed upon (see: WikiProject Days of the year), and subpages currently is not part of that format. I am going to revert the article, and invite you to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Days of the year to discuss solutions for July 20. Kingturtle 18:16, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Problems with edit
When this page was cut down by others it deleted important information, such as what country Michael I became king of or what government Kerensky headed. Wholesale deletionism has eliminated context. And for what purpose? PedanticallySpeaking 16:25, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

Blanking
I restored this to 14:52, 22 November 2005 by MisfitToys. A large edit like 131.107.0.73 needs to have some discussion, or at least edit summaries.--Bookandcoffee(Leave msg.) 18:39, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

You've got it backwards: it looks like 131.107.0.73 was cutting back on the extreme bloat added by User:PedanticallySpeaking. Looks like he should have tackled the excess images and overcategorization User:PedanticallySpeaking added, too, though. --Calton | Talk 00:59, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

The images gave life to the page. I was always taught one needed to break up large quantities of text. Second, the purpose of having lots of events was to help those interested in what happened on the day they were born. There was an event for every day of the last eighty years or better. I worked very hard on this and I'm hurt that my work is summarily dismissed as "extreme bloat". PedanticallySpeaking 15:46, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

 * You added 29 images -- most of them pointlessly decorative -- to the page. And you needed to break up large quantities of text because you added a ludicrous amount of it to the page.

 * Second, the purpose of having lots of events was to help those interested in what happened on the day they were born. That's your idea and no one else's, not to mention that you seemed to be assuming that this hypothetical someone is keenly interested in minor US congressional actions, US political minutiae, American labor milestones, random military manuveurs (not even battles), and not much else. Your additions were not only American-centered, they were of a particularly thin slice of American interests.

 * I worked very hard on this and I'm hurt that my work is summarily dismissed as "extreme bloat". You not only didn't bother to get any input before embarking on this, but you violated several established precepts while doing so (images, subheadings, birth/deaths of those who have articles, etc.), so I have little sympathy for whinging about the hard work you shouldn't have done in the first place. You're hurt? You'll get over it.

 * And what is it about July 20? You once piled up the non-notable births on this page, as I recall, and split them off into subpages before they were deleted and lists trimmed. Is this your birthday or something? --Calton | Talk 16:14, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

 * The deletions made by another in the past were also done without any discussion and when I attempted to produce a compromise I was shot down then. I'm interested in this day because it's the day of the first moon landing.  Maybe you don't mean to, but I get this really hostile tone from your reply.  I hope it is not intentional because it is the sort of vibe which causes contributors to walk away from our project.   PedanticallySpeaking 16:33, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

 * The deletions made by another in the past were also done without any discussion. You mean the ADDITIONS were done without any discussion, don't you?

 * ...and when I attempted to produce a compromise I was shot down then That should have been your first clue.

 * I get this really hostile tone from your reply I don't respond well to manipulative self-pity, perhaps. I do respond to actual arguments and actual responses: the only one I've gotten is that you're interested in Apollo 11.

 * I'm certainly annoyed at all the work I had to do to clean up your "improvements" (another sin I neglected to mention: the subject titles, like "Far East:" and "Massachusetts:"- ), because, instead of simply reverting you I sifted through it all, just to be fair.

 * The only good thing to come out of it is the New York Times page link, which I'm going to add to other date pages.

-Calton | Talk 00:27, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Your reply shows further debate would not be productive. For those who are interested in seeing the page before the deletions discussed above, I am posting it at User:PedanticallySpeaking/July 20. PedanticallySpeaking 16:52, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

For the record I mostly agree with Calton re keeping this article from being bloated. However, I do think that adding some images here and there for the most important events and people would make the article easier to read. --mav 20:54, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I have not edited this page, but I do habitually read/skim these "On this day" pages. For me, "more is better." However, I'm grateful for those who actually get in and edit. I appreciate whatever the community decides will appear. I would ask that others look at the event entry for 1965, which I'll say happened on August 13th not July 20th. Jonathan Myrick Daniels [ http://satucket.com/lectionary/Jonathan_Daniels.htm ] has long been one of my heroes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmossbar (talk • contribs) 12:19, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

38k
this article is up to 38k. we should really work to parse it down again. are we going to allow any event to be allowed? certainly this would cause problems. there should be some standards or guidelines. In Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Days of the year i have brought up this issue before. that discussion didn't go far. but i'd like to reintroduce the discussion.

a list of criteria might include: Firsts, lasts, battles, precedents, truces, assassinations (and attempts), royal weddings, head of state resignations, verdicts?, passages of substantial legislation, terrorist events, milestones?, space exploration, UN Security Council decisions, major natural disasters, creation of new nations, unique scientific events (comets hitting Jupiter). and what else? Kingturtle 21:23, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Benjamin Decoux
Benjamin Decoux (Nov. 8 1980-present) is a renowned gamer, movie/music critic and director. He is most famous for his production "Neumann’s Payday" which he not only wrote and directed but also stared in as the lead role. The short play received mixed reviews from the critics but was a big hit among patrons. (added by anonymous editor)
 * Odd, his name doesn't appear on Google. Let's at least wait until he creates his own web page.  Rklawton 05:29, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Unimportant
there is way too much minor info listed for this day. WillC 19:07, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Interstellar Date Line
It is interesting that the anniversary of the first moon landing is 20 July. That is, of course, only relevant to which side of the International Date Line you were on at the time.

In Australia for example, the actual day of the first moon landing was 21 July 1969. That is the day upon which thousands of Australians were gathering around televisions and radios to watch and listen to the first moon landing. Of course, in the USA, it was still 20 July 1969, so they have a different perspective of which date it occured. My mother has quite a firm view on this matter: the first moon landing took place on 21 July 1969, as she was giving birth to my brother at the time, in New South Wales, Australia.

So this brings the question, what is the baseline for dating events that take place in space?

For this event, why was a date relative to the USA's position used? Yes, it was their moon mission, but is that reason enough to use their relative date? Even the TV signal relay was picked up by a radio receiving station in Australia on 21 July 1969, I think because Australia was facing the moon at the time. So that's another reason - the USA was on the OTHER side of the Earth when the first moon landing took place, meaning that the moon was on Australia's side of the International dateline.

Anyway, just thought I would mention that, and ask the baseline question. Thanks!--203.10.224.60 06:49, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Easy, this is the date that NASA gives for the landing. Fitzharry 22:16, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

 * UTC is probably the most sensible to go by, but the time and date from the launch location seems reasonable, as does that of the equivalent point on earth – i.e. if the moon was directly above China at the time, then the Chinese time would be another good choice. -- xensyria T 22:30, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

 * Heh, on second thoughts, I'm not so convinced by "where the moon was above"... This does still raise some interesting questions though. ‑‑ xensyria T 23:58, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

The way it reads now, "1969 – Apollo program: Apollo 11 successfully makes the first manned landing on the Moon in the Sea of Tranquility. Americans Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin become the first humans to walk on the Moon almost 7 hours later. (US Time)" makes me wonder how much later they walked on the moon in Soviet time. It might be worth noting that current space missions use UTC and researching whether that was the case for Columbia/Eagle. Perhaps the best way to annotate this is by the cited source (NASA) with a parenthetic (21 July, UTC) Eltrace (talk) 13:42, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

 * Ok, I just made an edit that clearly explains both sides of this story. There are some reliable sources/organizations that recognize the EDT/CDT date-time of July 20th, and there are other organizations that recognize the UTC/GMT date-time of July 21st as to the actual date that those first steps took place, and which day is the proper day to celebrate its anniversary.  The point made over at the article on July 21 is that our guidance is not to go by what we might think or feel, but rather what these reliable sources say.  Both articles now clearly explain the discrepancy, with reliable sources/authorities cited, namely the United Nations as well as the Guinness Book of World Records.  The NPOV answer for this case is for us to present both sides of this story clearly and concisely.  The current edit for both articles (20&21) now do that adequately.--Tdadamemd (talk) 01:29, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Tony Oliva
Conflict on date of birth. July 20 listing has his DOB as July 20, 1940. But Tony Oliva article has it as July 20, 1038. If anyone in Minneapolis has his phone, please ask him to clarify. Tursiops (talk) 17:27, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Always go with the article. That is where the sourced information will be.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 18:12, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Cinema 16 Shooting in Aurora, CO
Should the anniversary of the Cinema 16 Movie theatre massacre have its own entry in "on this day..."

This mass killing is very prolific. Not only because of the violent nature of such a high-profile mass killing but the fact that it happened so recently (exactly two years ago - as of this writing), merits an observance - even a small observance.

If there are reasons why this has NOT been given an 'on this day...' entry, I completely understand.

This talk page was created in the event of oversight.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.171.134.17 (talk • contribs)
 * Does not meet notability requirements of WP:NDOY. It's no different than any other mass shooting that are all too common here.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please  05:05, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Naseeruddin Shah, Indian actor
I recently reviewed and rejected the inclusion of Naseeruddin Shah, Indian actor from the list of births for July 20. I did this on the basis that the actor's page opens: "Naseeruddin Shah (born 20 July 1949 or 16 August 1950[a]) is an Indian film and stage actor and director", indicating that his birthdate is not settled or is unknown. If that is the situation then I do not see a compelling case to have him included on this page s definitively having a birthdate of July20. I have no intention of getting into an argument about this so will leave the review of the edit to another editor. But would like to point out that if this edit is accepted then there appears to be no reason to stop another entry on August 16. Perry Middlemiss (talk) 04:01, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

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Beck
He died on the 21st according to the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Beck

--JFCochin (talk) 21:14, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

 * Good spot – I've moved him to 21 July. ‑‑ Yodin T 17:32, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 June 2020
Under the "Observances and Holidays" section, July 20th is also observed as world FSHD day. So it should be added that World Facioscapulohumeral Muscular dystrophy (FSHD) Day is observed on this date. 2600:1009:B107:CCC3:CD17:AF70:4A4D:4253 (talk) 01:29, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:08, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * it doesn't have its own Wiki page and is not mentioned at the article on FSHD If it was mentioned there, then you would need to provide a link here that is not Wiki.142.163.195.221 (talk) 00:32, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

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Paloma Faith
Paloma Faith was born on this day. I have looked up many Music artists who fail to be on these lists. This is a huge project which needs to be taken by somebody, and not me. 78.148.244.245 (talk) 10:49, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

July 21 of a BC Date?
Come on, how can you have a July 21 of a date before the calendar was created? Not to mention which the adjustments to the Gregorian calendar which make it difficult to even suggest that this would've been the date had the calendar been in existance. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.102.126.97 (talk) 06:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC).
 * The Romans devised the basis for the modern calendar. July, for example, was named in honor of Julius Caesar, with its successor August after his heir Augustus. Tsunomaru 17:17, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Where's Hary Potter?
isn't the release of Harry Potter 7 important enough to appear here?

 * Correct, it isn't important enough. — Arthur Rubin |  (talk) 20:36, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Maybe it will be after the fact when millions of people taking the day off causes the developed world's economies to collapse. Tsunomaru 17:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I think that Harry Potter has gotten enough attention to be worth putting up on the list.

Yeah. It was so widely read the NYT book folks created a new bestseller list to get Harry Potter off of their main list. All 6 of the released novels are in the top 20 most sold books of all time (Wpedia has a list). It will be the largest opening for a book ever and will remain that way into the forseeable future, probably for a generation. Guns & Roses' debut album release Appetite for Destruction is in the current list of events, and Harry Potter is certainly as important a cultural phenomenon as they were. 128.193.0.6 22:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)Ventifact

I added Harry Potter and someone immediately reverted it without comment. I don't have time to learn enough Wiki to call for a vote or article protection. However, on the odd coincidence that the person responsible for the edits even reads the discussion page, I might suggest that if they're such a great Wikipedian that they enlighten us as to why Harry Potter is not important enough to be in the list (especially if we infer standards of entry by the events already present, including Guns n Roses). 128.193.4.98 23:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)Ventifact

 * The entry could have been deleted for two reasons:
 * It is a future event. Those are considered speculative and aren't allowed.  For something to have historical significance, it has to be history.
 * It is a book. It is not globally notable (and just because the world knows about it doesn't make it globally notable).
 * Take a look here for some help in identifying what is and is not notable for calendar entries. -- Mufka (user) (talk) (contribs) 23:27, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) I believe the rule from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Days of the year is that these pages aren't for future events. So it's not okay to add it now, but come 00:01 June 21st BST, I think it's fair game for inclusion. Actually, a question is if it should be added here, or to July 20... the book is actually coming out at 11:01 July 20 UTC, if I did the time zone math properly.

Mufka, it seems like the release of the new harry potter book will be instantly notable, once it happens. A few quick checks show that there's been more than 2 million pre-orders from Amazon alone, with another 1.2 million from Barnes and Noble. I think a book selling 3 million copies in a day is notable for that alone. — PyTom 23:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If it breaks a record it might be notable. In that case the entry for the book released in 2005 will need to be removed.  The accepted practice is that book releases are not notable for Wikicalendar articles.  Any compelling argument will, of course, be evaluated.  -- Mufka (user) (talk) (contribs) 00:18, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

 * I think this is as good a forum as any for that evaluation. I'd argue that the release of of a book that sells more than, say, 5 million copies on the first day is inherently notable, especially given the huge amount of media coverage that surrounded that first day alone. I believe that Half-Blood Prince is notable by this standard, and Order of the Phoenix and Goblet of Fire might be... the first three books certainly aren't, as they had relatively small first printings.
 * To put this in perspective, more people bought Half-Blood Prince on the first day than live in New Zealand. — PyTom 00:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Edited slightly... I always forget Order of the Phoenix. — PyTom 01:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * What you say might be true but generally the litmus test is whether the item would still be notable in 50 years. Take a look at WP:RECENT.  The intent of these articles is to note historically significant events or events that have a significant cultural impact.  Granted there are a lot of entries that do not qualify but we can only take one at a time.  Another thing that I think is important is that some types of items simply need to be excluded.  Books, especially fiction, is one.  The gray area on the topic of notable books would be immense and inclusion would surely result in continuous edit wars.  Where is the line drawn?  Bestsellers?  Bestsellers in certain categories?  Oprah's book list?  Today's record breaker; what happens to yesterday's? -- Mufka (user) (talk) (contribs) 01:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, I think WP:N is the relevant policy— and I believe that the release of the three most recent Potter books quality. I think the guideline should be that that the release of a work of fiction is notable if the release itself is notable, independent of the work of fiction itself. I think that's the case with this release, and the last three... there are plenty of articles in reliable sources (such as ) that speak to the notability of this release, independent of the book. — PyTom 02:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There is one important difference between an article and a WikiCalender page. Articles do not have to be globally notable.  You can apply WP:N directly to an article.  Wikicalendar pages  have the added burden of global notability and cultural pertinence.  One reason for this is because calendar pages contain very little detail and no references - by design.  I guess you could ask this: is anyone going to look at the world differently in 10 years because the Harry Potter book was released on this date?  -- Mufka (user) (talk) (contribs) 03:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hm... Well, I think global notability is given, see my reference to the Times of India article. Do I think people will look at the world differently because of it? Well, it certainly changes peoples perceptions of how successful a book can be. I think it's at least as notable as half the stuff on this page.

 * BTW, I encourage everyone to mind the WP:3RR. Remember, the exception is only for "simple and obvious vandalism", which I think good-faith contributions of content are. — PyTom 07:07, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

seriously, i think the hp7 release should be on this page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.218.142.119 (talk • contribs) 15:01, July 20, 2007 (UTC)

 * Seriously, I think not. — Arthur Rubin |  (talk) 17:20, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the inclusion of the HP7 release. It was surely the most famous book release in publishing history and broke numerous records worldwide for book sales. It is a day that many people will remember for years to come, surely just as notable as the entries for 2004 and 2005. Timb66 04:16, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

 * I still don't think it's appropriate, but this last is a plausible reason for inclusion, unlike all the other comments made here. I can't say it's vandalism, so I won't revert for another 3 or 4 hours.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arthur_Rubin (talk • contribs) 13:46, 24 July 2007
 * See also, a CNN article pointing out the importance of this release to a generation. — PyTom 17:38, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I think the release of HP7 is important enough to be listed in the calendar. The sales section of the article on this book summarizes the worldwide reach it had on release day. Lisatwo 15:08, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Every one on wikipedia hates Harry Potter. Go to Talk:HBP and see the fight I had to make to put Half-Blood Prince on the list. You'll have the same problem here. They'll delete because they can, even though it's wrong. Arry 09:34, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

the moon landing is wrong
Armstrong and Aldrin walked on the moon on July 20, not the 21st. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.66.88.225 (talk • contribs).

 * According to the article, which I believe is correct, they landed on July 20, but didn't exit the LM and walk on the moon until July 21 (UTC). — Arthur Rubin |  (talk) 15:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Ok, I'm coming to this discussion many years later, but the article is now fixed. I expect that there will be those who will want to revert, but our guidance as Wikipedia editors is that what is most important is not what we think or feel.  Rather, what takes precedence is what the reliable sources say.  In adding July 21 as the date associated with the first ever moonwalk, this fact is now supported by sources from both the United Nations as well as the Guinness Book of World Records.  Both are authoritative sources.  And so is NASA, of course.  When reliable sources are in disagreement, our duty becomes one of bringing that disagreement to light.  And that is exactly how the article now reads.  Authorities in the US say it happened on July 20.  Different authorities around the globe say it happened on the 21st.  This is a classic case where NPOV is required.  Both sides of the story need to be told clearly.

 * The next thing to do will be to include this info in the article on July 20 as well. I can take care of that.--Tdadamemd (talk) 01:14, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * UTC is NOT the same time as it was in the US when they went for their walk. Considering being on Daylight Saving Time, they would have left the LM at 2252 EDT, 1952 PDT, which still seems a bit late, but I was watching it at the time it happened so I won't quibble over an hour or two.  It is still a fact that both the landing and walk happened on 20 July in the US and I hope that it got fixed to show that.  Just saying the walk started at 0252 UTC on the 21st doesn't explain the whole story! 2600:1700:A9B0:527F:1814:9717:1F33:C4FA (talk) 06:09, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows
I added back on the list the release of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, as it is now a historical event (see older discussion above) and qualifies for addition according to the guideline. According to it, "dates of completion or premiere of major works of art and architecture recognized on a global scale" are allowed; moreover, "dates that pertain to television programs, movies, books, video games, etc. – this is not notable on a global scale (exceptions include the breaking of world records for sales, etc.)": on its page it is said that the aforementioned book is still the fastest-selling book in history, and thus qualifies. If you have any inquiry or complaint, please contact me by replying to this discussion or via my talk page. -- Angelikfire (talk) 17:27, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

 * I agree is it is a premiere of a major work of art, however I added it and it was removed. What are the grounds for NOT including it on this list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.45.145.209 (talk) 02:01, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Actually, I'd like to know that too. I have already contacted Rlbarton - the author of the removal - twice, and asked him to elaborate further on the matter, but all I got from them was a "Not a significant world event". I pointed them to this talk page in order to discuss this edit and possibly reach an agreement, but I have seen no collaboration from their part (despite what Wikipedia's guidelines say). I suggest you to get an account and try to ask them yourself. -- Angelikfire (talk) 22:16, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

New Coldest Temperature
The lowest temperature recorded on Earth may have been logged in Antarctica on Aug. 10, 2010: a reading of 135.8 degrees below zero Fahrenheit (or minus 93.2 degrees Celsius).

That unfathomably frigid temperature reading, taken via NASA satellite, was part of an effort by American scientists to locate the coldest spot on the planet. Turns out, there are a string of extremely cold spots, pockets of unbelievable chill at high elevations in Antarctica.

Researchers at the National Snow and Ice Data Center reported the findings at a news conference Monday during the American Geophysical Union's annual meeting in San Francisco.

They looked at a region of the east Antarctic Plateau and found that temperatures in certain pockets "routinely surpass the record temperature of the previous lowest temperature on record." That was 128.6 degrees below zero Fahrenheit, set at Russia's Vostok Station in Antarctica on July 21, 1983.

There's grumbling, perhaps not surprisingly from Russian quarters. "Minus Credibility?" reads a headline on Moscow-based RT.com.

The head of the Russian Antarctic Expedition logistics center says it is "incorrect" and "unrealistic" to declare this record based on data from a satellite, according to RT.com.

As scientists noted in Monday's presentation, the kinds of low temperatures we're talking about here could be survived by humans -- "for about three minutes." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lechner16332 (talk • contribs) 04:07, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The temperature recorded in Vostok Station is the lowest temperature recorded in an inhabited land. That is the reason it is retained here; it will be always. The area you are referring to is a remote location. --MrScorch6200 (t c) 04:28, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Removal of entries
In accordance with the guidelines, I've started weeding the Births section (Deaths are in pretty good shape already) by removing entries for celebrities with 0-4 articles in other languages. Where possible, these have been transferred to the relevant Year in Topic articles. As well as making the lists more manageable, this will help with the globalization effort. Deb (talk) 18:43, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Belgian National Day
Why has Belgian National Day been removed from the observances listed for this date? —Brigade Piron (talk) 15:33, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you could help with this question?  Kees08  (Talk)   19:06, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
 * As far as I can see, it is still present. Deb (talk) 19:38, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Alexander the Great and Erling Haaland?
I tried to edit the births and add Alexander the Great and Erling Haaland, a super-talented Norwegian footballer born in 2000, but it was deleted, for some reason "citing a reliable source" was required, even though their wiki pages state this date of birth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.148.22.42 (talk) 04:03, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Harland & Wolff
User:Palisades1 - for a second time, you have added an entry referring to the "Protestants expel Catholic workers from the Harland and Wolff shipyard". As with my first revert of the entry, your entry needs to have a link to an actual article about this actual event. Simply linking to Harland & Wolff is not sufficient. I doubt that such an article exists, as even the main article only refers to "During the 1920s, Catholic workers were routinely expelled from working in the shipyard" - without even a specific date. Please reply with a reason/article that you feel will fulfil the requirements for keeping this entry. Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 06:45, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * As you've failed to reply here or elsewhere, I have reverted your changes. Please follow the guidelines at WP:DAYS if you wish to contribute to this and similar articles. Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 04:21, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Belfast Pogrom
This period of communal violence began on 21 July 1920 with the shipyard clearances or expulsions. This one day event (shipyard clearances) is commonly referred to as the Belfast Pogrom and is well documented and referenced in the linked article - Belfast Pogrom. On 21 July 1920 thousands of Belfast shipyard workers were driven from their work with much violence. This one day event deserves to be included on July 21. Here's one reference to a newspaper article that tells of the events of this date and number of workers forced from their jobs and the ensuing violence etc: .Palisades1 (talk) 17:00, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

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Moved birth from article: Seems to be a student at the Freie Universität Berlin. Lupo 08:57, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * 1975 - Markus Metzenthin, economist

July 22, 1966: Vietnam Operation Hastings — Preceding unsigned comment added by XDisassemble (talk • contribs) 05:30, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Births and deaths
Cleanup of births and deaths proceeding. See DOY project for further information.Deb (talk) 21:21, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2019
Under Events, the entry that reads "Ottoman wars in Europe: Siege of Belgrade: John Hunyadi, Regent of the Kingdom of Hungary, defeats Mehmet II of the Ottoman Empire" is missing a period at the end. 64.85.225.94 (talk) 17:18, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Melmann (talk) 17:25, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2019
Under Events, "The Polish Committee of National Liberation publishes its manifesto, starting the period of Communist rule in Poland" is missing a period. 64.85.225.94 (talk) 17:22, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Melmann (talk) 17:27, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

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User:Gilgamesh~enwiki

I am Gilgamesh, also known as Dermot Mac Flannchaidh, just another user of this fine Wikipedia.

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Talk:July 24

Dutch Beer and Foreign Beer
I'm not familiar with the history, but shouldn't it say that the Dutch "protested" against a ban on foreign beer, rather than when on a "strike"? It seems to me that strikes are when people stop working, and usually that's done in connection with economic/workforce issues. I suspect that "protest" would be a more accurate word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dechrwr (talk • contribs) 16:24, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Chicago, Milwaukee Records - 1935
Problem here. The high temperature records in question were in 1934, not 1935. And the height of the dust bowl heat wave was in 1936, not 1935. 76.219.156.108 (talk) 22:30, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

AMD purchase? So what?
Is the reference to AMD's intent to purchase a company worthy of inclusion on this page? My opinion is "no". Anybody care to second this motion and delete it? Thanks Hu Gadarn 14:51, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Any person or organisation's intent to do anything should never be included. This article is about what has happened, not what might happen / might have happened. Jim Michael (talk) 15:01, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Questions
Do pornographic "acting" folk really belong here? Do we want a resource that's available to all, including the very young, to include them as important/famous? And are they actors or performers? The term acting implies a certain skill, whereas most-to-all humans are capable of sexually performing. Just a thought.

Also, who is StatQuo (I read his page) and why is he on here as one of the most important/famous people in history? Apparently his "debut" album, due out in 2003, has yet to appear...
 * Successful porn stars (such as Jenna Jameson and Ron Jeremy) do belong in the Births section of the relevant Day articles. The actor / performer description is disputed. Whether or not Stat Quo is notable enough to be included in the Births section is debatable. Jim Michael (talk) 02:17, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Learn Nothing Day
This observance has been repeatedly added to the article but it clearly does not meet the requirements of WP:DOY. This observance is not the subject of an article and it seems that it is a bit of a "made up" observance observed by a small group. I understand that every observance was "made up" at one time, but this one, right now, doesn't seem to fit. It should not be included in this article. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 11:17, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * No article, no place on this article. Trivial nonsense should never be included. Jim Michael (talk) 15:01, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Latvian festivals
why do these keep appearing with links to the Latvian mythology page when the latter has been disputed (and not corrected) for years?The Lesser Merlin (talk) 11:50, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I couldn't tell you why, but speaking for myself I simply hadn't noticed it. Only currently celebrated holidays should be included, per WP:DOY, (although this is frequently ignored on DOY pages, and I'm not about to champion a campaign to remove all ancient holidays) so removing any of these is unlikely to be controversial. I have removed it, and will try and keep and eye out for these. Winston365 (talk) 22:14, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request on 25 July 2013

 * 1901 – O. Henry is released from prison in Columbus, Ohio after serving three years for embezzlement from a bank.

The page says he was released from prison in Austin, Texas. He was actually in prison in Ohio. The Wikipedia article has the correct location. Here is another source: http://www.austinlibrary.com/ahc/ohchronology.htm

Dmcneill (talk) 04:18, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done, thanks. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 09:36, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Analog broadcasts end in Japan on 24 July 2011
In July 2011, analog television broadcasts ended across 44 of the 47 Japanese prefectures. Is this event appropriate to be listed in this article? J4lambert (talk) 22:49, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:July 25

Olivier
Hi Mufka, You recently reverted (removed) my edit to the July 25 page (Laurence Olivier's marriage). Why? The event appears to be true (it's on Olivier's page), and it's of interest (to me, anyway). Thanks - Karl gregory jones (talk) 18:48, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The marriage of one person does not rise to the level of global notability required for inclusion in a date article. It might be an interesting bit of trivia, but it has no global impact.  See WP:DOY for details on what is considered suitable for the date articles.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 19:15, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Train wreck
But a train wreck that kills 80 definitely should be included. It was both unusual and killed may people Apteva (talk) 03:54, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The reason for removal was that it wasn't supported by a link to an article that covers the story. Separately, it doesn't meet WP:DOY for the same reason that most plane crashes don't.  Newsworthy and noteworthy in this context are quite different.  If this proves to have some widespread impact on train travel and changes laws in several countries, maybe it should be included.  But at this time, it appears to have very limited impact.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 04:03, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * My mistake. The original reason for removal was not correct as there was a mention in high-speed rail but the second part above is valid.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 04:12, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Here is the article Santiago de Compostela derailment. High speed rail accidents are extremely rare, but when they do occur, they are quite spectacular. I see the article gives the date as July 24, though. Not sure which is correct. Apteva (talk) 05:00, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Birthdays
If we go by the Hijri birth dates listed for both men, then Ali al-Ridha was likely born in late December 765 and Ibn Arabi on July 28 1165 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.233.45 (talk) 01:24, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 July 2019
Please include Finn Balor's birthday on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finn_B%C3%A1lor Warmstrings (talk) 13:30, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Willbb234 (talk) 10:26, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

holidays St Anne
this date is not mentioned at the linked article. Is found elsewhere. Needs a good source. --142.163.194.130 (talk) 11:32, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Which Galicia?
National Day of Galicia could perhaps include (Spain) in brackets to indicate which Galicia. 142.163.194.63 (talk) 15:44, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

 * Done. Kiwipete (talk) 08:10, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

1783
Hello, something wrong with login so I'll just say that the American Revolutionary War entry for this year refers to a siege in India. It's got.to be a mistake. Chicagojcb 104.3.56.238 (talk) 03:01, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:July 26

July 26th was the day Eshan Jogewar the god was born. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.74.22.174 (talk) 06:53, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 June 2020
Stormzy, internationally chart-topping grime artist, was born 26 July 1993. 2407:7000:831B:C61:3C90:19C8:62D9:ECC8 (talk) 04:08, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jack Frost (talk) 06:26, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:July 29

615 – Pakal ascends the throne of Palenque at the age of 12.
According to the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar article, in the Correlations between Western calendars and the Long Count section, it says that the generally accepted correlation constant is the Modified Thompson 2, "Goodman–Martinez–Thompson", or GMT correlation of 584,283 days. That means the date of Pakal's ascension should be July 27, not July 29. The July 29 date is using the Thompson/Lounsbury (584,285) JDN correlation.

In my humble opinion, the entry should be moved to July 27 so that Wikipedia remains constant throughout the different articles. Chuck Coker (talk) 20:14, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Death
2000: Favaloro, René Gerónimo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Favaloro). Fabian Cremaschi190.15.194.122 (talk) 13:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Birthday
William Beebe [] should be added to the July 29th page in Birthdays

Jean Baudrillard's birthday should be moved to July 27 (at least according to his wikipedia page). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.122.108.166 (talk) 15:38, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Ronelling (talk) 12:53, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 29 July 2019
Under Events, Belle Boyd's arrested is listed as having occurred in 1864 when in actuality it happened in 1862. 64.85.225.94 (talk) 19:24, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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Talk:July 30

Error regarding the birthday of "Fatima Jinnah"
Hello all,

Fatima Jinnah's birthday here is listed as a notable of "July 30" where her birthday, according to all sources I can find (including on her very own page here on Wikipedia) is listed as "July 31."

I don't know what the reason for this error is, but this should be corrected ASAP. Source:

-with the best of intentions,

KyleCee17 (talk) 22:50, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

 * ✅ Thank you. Toddst1 (talk) 23:02, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

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