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Talk:April 8

Outside US
On 8th April did anything happen anywhere else in the world apart from the USA? It would appear from this listing that not a lot did.

If you know of anything that can be included here, please do so. RickK 23:51, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Any objections to conjecture?
I just added the proposed April 8, 2005 wedding of Prince Charles to Camilla Parker Bowles. Any problems as it has not yet occurred and may not occur? ^demon
 * Let's not list future events. Save it for after it happens. :) Kingturtle 00:53, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Grace Park (actress)
Grace Park the actress on Battlestar Galactica was born the same day (April 8, 1980) as Katee Sackhoff. This is from an interview with Katee Sackhoff on SciFi Talk. There is another Grace Park (the golfer) born March 6, 1979 and many web sites confuse the two (obviously doing a quick Google).

Odd edit
can someone tell me whats this (1991- a legend is born) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.80.161.133 (talk • contribs).
 * See Vandalism. It's been reverted. -- Rick Block (talk) 15:14, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Hank Aaron breaks Babe Ruth's record in 1974
This event has been added and deleted several times. My reading of WP:DOY (not that it's actually official, but anyway) is that only current sports records belong. Other comments on this? -- Rick Block (talk) 02:58, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd say that any sporting record which is historically significant--regardless of whether its been broken since--is eligible for inclusion. --CalendarWatcher (talk) 03:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Have you expressed this opinion at WT:DOY? I think I agree that historically significant sports records should likely be included (e.g. first 4-minute mile, but this would be included under WP:DOY), but first to break a long-standing record seems dubious.  Do we include Ralph Boston's 1960 long jump breaking Jesse Owens's record from 1935? (no) or Mike Powell's current record breaking a long standing record set by Bob Beamon (no).  I think the event of "breaking a long standing sports record" is worth considering (where "long standing" probably should be defined as greater than, e.g., 10 years), but we don't have a currently "blessed" guideline about this which mean we don't have any avenue to resolve this other than this talk page.  Getting back to Aaron's accomplishment, I"m OK with including it if the general criteria includes "first to break a long-standing (greater than nn years) sports record". -- Rick Block (talk) 04:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Broken records should not be listed. There is too much gray area on historical significance in the realm of sports records.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 14:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Civil Rights Act
this page says that on this day, april 8, the civil rights act of 1960 passed -- yet on that page, there's no mention of april 8. can someone confirm and fix one of those two pages. thanks.--Pnoeric (talk) 20:29, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * removed as unsupported. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 20:33, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Charles W. Woodworth
The Charles W. Woodworth page indicates his date of birth is April 28. Not sure of his actual date of birth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChancellorBen (talk • contribs) 13:47, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Rex Manning Day
How can we bring up April 8 and not mention that it's also Rex Manning Day? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.255.12.27 (talk) 18:21, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Who the HELL is Rex Manning? Cuddy2977 (talk) 12:32, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Empire Records --The_stuart (talk) 00:07, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

I vote to remove it. In my opinion, nobody outside a tiny US community has even heard of it.Annasdottir (talk) 12:03, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I have removed it; first, it is from a movie, so more or less fictional, and secondly, it is not of global importance. Finally, there is no separate article for this "day". Lectonar (talk) 12:36, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

John Foxe
The entry for John Foxe's death (1587) is incorrect. It's April 18 (and already on the April 18 date page).

No Important Deaths from 2016 on????
It's amazing that absolutely no one of even moderate importance died on April 8 in the years 2016, 17, 18, 19 or 20. 5 year streak? Or laziness/no one really gives a fuck about editing this day anymore?

2024 Eclipse
Add it. Do it. It will be epic. 184.147.47.69 (talk) 01:53, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

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1951 _ Sadegh Hedayat, Iranian writer and translator. Best known for his novel The Blind Owl( born February 18 1903 ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.199.7.247 (talk) 22:19, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Mentioning of death of Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh in the "Events" section
Is it really necessary to have that being that he is already listed in the "Deaths" section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.41.60.144 (talk) 20:33, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

 * I previously thought not and reverted one addition. But given that it is world-wide news, and is now on the Main page of en.wiki, I think it is also a very notable event. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:37, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I just removed it from the "Events" section before reading this. The item for inclusion is a death, not an event. We have a section for deaths, which is where it belongs.  It doesn't matter how newsworthy it is.  Toddst1 (talk) 20:58, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Fare enuff, if demz da roolz, 'sno biggie. (As they say in Windsor). Martinevans123 (talk) 21:15, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:April 10

Hortense de Beauharnais
Can the person (people) making multiple attempts at removing this historial figure from the births section (and then removing the wikilinks to her) explain their reasoning? Thanks, Hu Gadarn 22:56, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

3D film?
In the article it says:

"1953 – Warner Brothers premieres the first 3-D film, entitled House of Wax."

However 3D films had been about since the 1920s at least and House of Wax was not even the first colour 3D film, that was Bwana Devil a year before in 1952. House of Wax might be Warner Brother's first 3D film but that hardly makes it noteworthy enough to be listed here, otherwise you'd have to list every studios first 3D films and be here all day. --Shearluck (talk) 23:54, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Births and deaths
Continuing cleanup of Births and Deaths, as discussed on the project talk page. Deb (talk) 11:58, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

my burthday
i'm 12 years old and my burthday is on 10 april — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.178.88.158 (talk) 11:51, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:April 11

Should we mention this?
Computer identifies the most boring day in history - April 11, 1954 has been declared to be the most boring day in history. Of course this is total puff-piece nonsense news and research, but still it is cute. Rather than inserting it into the article directly, I thought I'd just post it here for thoughtful people to reflect upon.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 17:57, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It is cute, but yes, total puff-piece nonsense. It also isn't an event in any sense of the word, nor is it supported by any wikipedia article I can find. From WP:DAYS: References are not needed in Wikicalendar articles. However, references to support listed entries must be found in linked Wikipedia articles and not external links. If a supporting internal link doesn't exist that is a very strong indicator that the event in question is not notable. In this case it isn't even an "Event" at all though, so a link still wouldn't save it. Boring and eventful certainly aren't synonyms. Winston365 (talk) 19:16, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

 * I have updated True Knowledge. This has received some attention: . I saw it in Denmark without searching for it. It's obviously subjective so if we mention it here then I think the origin should be stated in the article text. Maybe:

 * 1954 – The most boring day since 1900 according to the True Knowledge Answer Engine.
 * It's currently in 1954 but there have been several reverts. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:23, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * As the computor used data for more than 300 million events I would not call it subjective. The day appears to be notable for not being notable. Wayne (talk) 02:55, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The concept of being notable for not being notable seems an oxymoron to me. At least in the sense of notability implied by the guidelines at WP:DOY. The notion of an "event" implies something happened, and notability implies the event had some impact. This is being touted explicitly as a day that had very little impact, and one where relatively little happened. If something notable happened on this day it should be listed. If nothing notable happened then it should be treated like every other non-notable day and not be listed on these pages. I still don't see how this qualifies as an event, as opposed to just a label applied to a day. One day might be the most notable day in history, but that doesn't mean it should be listed because of that. List the notable events on that day and be done with it. Even if True Knowledge thinks this is a notable date, the events section exists to list notable events, not notable dates. Winston365 (talk) 03:27, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, those are all good points, but I personally think that it would be OK to not be so strict in this case. I don't really have a good counterargument, it's just my personal opinion that it would be fun to include it. However, I would sat that surely a non-event could be notable (e.g., "The only day in the 20th Century with no recorded rainfall at any location on Earth" would be notable; if a given day had no births or deaths, that would highly notable; etc.). But the confluence of non-events on this day may not measure up to notability, and I don't know if the True Knowledge data and algorithms really produced a reliable result (and this is probably unascertainable), and we only have the guy's word for it that he didn't just pull it out of his hat, I guess. If we do include it, I would suggest not using the word "boring" and use something like this wording: "Selected as the most objectively uneventful day of the 20th Century by True Knowledge founder William Tunstall-Pedoe." Herostratus (talk) 04:23, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that using the word uneventful in a section titled Events improves the situation, other than to highlight that this entry is an exception to the usual rules. Winston365 (talk) 02:25, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

The reader has no idea what this means or how the designation was arrived at since there's no further info in the wikilinked articles. Add it back in when there's an article to show context. -- Neil N   talk to me  02:32, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

 * True Knowledge says: "In November 2010, True Knowledge used some 300 million facts to calculate that Sunday April 11, 1954 was the most boring day since 1900". There are two inline references where the interested reader can find additional info. I don't think the article needs more. A Google search shows this has received lots of attention: . It also has an entry at 1954. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:00, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Re-added -- Neil N   talk to me  03:09, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * This is a useless bit of trivia and it should be excluded. This is not an event, not notable in the long term. The assertion that "talk page is mostly in favor" seems to be a bit of a stretch.  The opening statement above says it all "total puff-piece nonsense news and research".  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 10:05, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I think this piece of info should definitely be included because of it being a characteristic of this day and this info couldn't be put in any other location in Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fltyingpig (talk • contribs)

❌ WP:NOT, WP:NOTABILITY, ... Toddst1 (talk) 20:21, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

11 April World Memon Day
'''When MEMON DAY was envisioned, the objective was quite apparent i.e. to unite the Global Memon Community and provide a broad spectrum of humanitarian services to the less fortunate of the World. The essence of Memon Day is the very ethos of 'All India Memon Jamat Federation' and other Social Organizations i.e. to Unite, Uphold and Uplift Mankind and to initiate endeavours to Serve Humanity on the 11th of April. '''

Alhamdulillah, with kind mercy of Almighty ALLAH and Sadqe paak of RASOOLALLAH (Sallallaho Alaihe Wasallam) & Gause Azam Dastagir Sayyedna Abdul Qadir Jilani (Radiallaho Ta'ala Anhu)

WORLD MEMON DAY Celebration initiated on 11th April 2017 and had received overwhelming support from all over world.

Gradually WORLD MEMON DAY celebrated by various Organizations / Individuals all over world by doing charitable / social activities i.e. Distribution of Fruits in Hospital, Providing Meal in Orphanage, Conducting Blood Donation Camp, Medical Camp, Hijama Camp, Inauguration of Free Ambulance Services, School Kit distribution in Govt Schools, Wheel Chair Distribution, Seminars, Work-Shops, Unity and Brotherhood Programmes, Educational Awareness Programmes, National Integrity etc irrespective of caste, creed and religion.

We take great pride in all whoever been participated in MEMON DAY and stand firm through extensive endeavors to Uplift the Community and Humanity. Due to our pure, divine intentions, Almighty ALLAH has bestowed us with grand success. MEMON DAY is flourishing due to your kind support and cooperation without which it was not possible to achieve this grand victory. We have received innumerous Phone Calls, WhatsApp msgs, Emails, SMS, Letters by hand delivery / post / courier congratulating us all for MEMON DAY. JAZAKALLAH KHAIR to all whoever participated in MEMON DAY Celebration. Once again we are thankful to you all for your kind cooperation and support extended towards celebration of MEMON DAY. — Preceding unsigned comment added by  103.78.137.42 (talk • contribs) 14:48, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * World Memon Day? See Advocacy, Conflict of interest and quite a few others. ❌ Toddst1 (talk) 20:19, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

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Monster (manga)

Monster (stylized in all caps) is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Naoki Urasawa. It was published by Shogakukan in its manga magazine Big Comic Original between December 1994 and December 2001, with its chapters collected in 18  volumes. The story revolves around Kenzo Tenma, a Japanese surgeon living in Düsseldorf, Germany whose life enters turmoil after he gets himself involved with Johan Liebert, one of his former patients, who is revealed to be a psychopathic serial killer.

Urasawa later wrote and illustrated the novel Another Monster, a story detailing the events of the manga from an investigative reporter's point of view, which was published in 2002. The manga was adapted by Madhouse into a 74-episode anime television series, which aired on Nippon TV from April 2004 to September 2005. The manga and anime were both licensed by Viz Media for English releases in North America, and the anime was broadcast on several television channels. In 2013, Siren Visual licensed the anime for Australia.

Monster was Urasawa's first work to receive international acclaim and success; the manga has sold over 20 million copies, making it one of the best-selling manga series of all time. The manga has won several awards, including the 46th Shogakukan Manga Award and the Japan Media Arts Festival. Its anime adaptation has been called one of the best anime series of its decade.

Plot
Dr. Kenzo Tenma is a young Japanese brain surgeon, working at Eisler Memorial Hospital in Düsseldorf, West Germany. Tenma is dissatisfied with the political bias of the hospital in treating patients, and seizes the chance to change things after a massacre brings fraternal twins Johan and Anna Liebert into the hospital. Johan has a gunshot wound to his head, and Anna mutters about killing; Tenma operates on Johan instead of the mayor, who arrived later. Johan is saved, but Mayor Roedecker dies; Tenma loses his social standing. Director Heinemann and the other doctors in Tenma's way are mysteriously murdered, and both children disappear from the hospital. The police suspect Tenma, but they have no evidence and can only question him.

Nine years later, Tenma is Chief of Surgery at Eisler Memorial. After saving a criminal named Adolf Junkers, Junkers mutters about a "monster." Tenma returns with a clock for Junkers, he finds the guard in front of Junkers' room dead and Junkers gone. Following the trail to the construction site of a half-finished building near the hospital, Tenma finds Junkers held at gunpoint. Junkers warns him against coming closer and pleads with him to run away. Tenma refuses, and the man holding the gun is revealed to be Johan Liebert. Despite Tenma's attempts to reason with him, Johan shoots Junkers. Telling Tenma he could never kill the man who saved his life, he walks off into the night, with Tenma too shocked to stop him.

Tenma is suspected by the police, particularly BKA Inspector Lunge, and he tries to find more information about Johan. He soon discovers that the boy's sister is living a happy life as an adopted daughter; the only traces of her terrible past are a few nightmares. Tenma finds Anna, who was subsequently named Nina by her adoptive parents, on her birthday; he keeps her from Johan, but is too late to stop him from murdering her adoptive parents. Tenma eventually learns the origins of this "monster": from the former East Germany's attempt to use a secret orphanage known as "511 Kinderheim" to create perfect soldiers through psychological reprogramming, to the author of children's books used in a eugenics experiment in the former Czechoslovakia. Tenma learns the scope of the atrocities committed by this "monster", and vows to fix the mistake he made by ending Johan's life.

Production
Urasawa revealed that he pitched the idea of writing a manga about the medical field around 1986, but could tell his editor was not enjoying the idea. So he jokingly proposed a story about women's judo, and that lead to his first solo work Yawara! (1986–1993).

The original idea for Monster came from the 1960s American television series The Fugitive, which had a strong impact on Urasawa when he saw it at the age of eight. In the story, a doctor is wrongfully convicted of murder, but escapes and searches for the real killer while on the run from the police. He said that his editor was adamant that the series would not do well, and tried to stop him from creating it.

The Japanese medical industry was strongly influenced by the professional practices in Germany, thus it seemed natural to the author to set Monster in Germany. Post-war Germany was chosen so that the neo-Nazi movement could be included in the story. When he started the semimonthly Monster at the end of 1994, Urasawa was already writing Happy! weekly and continued to serialize both at the same time. When Happy! ended in 1999, he began the weekly 20th Century Boys. Writing both Monster and 20th Century Boys at the same time caused him to be briefly hospitalized for exhaustion.

Manga
Written and illustrated by Naoki Urasawa, Monster was serialized in Shōgakukan's manga magazine Big Comic Original from December 1994 to December 2001. Shōgakukan collected its 162 chapters into 18 volumes released from 30 June 1995 to 28 February 2002. Takashi Nagasaki is credited as "co-producer" of the manga's story. Monster received a nine-volume re-release between 30 January and 29 August 2008.

Monster was licensed in North America by Viz Media, who published all 18 volumes between 21 February 2006 and 16 December 2008. They released the version of the series, titled Monster: The Perfect Edition, between 15 July 2014 and 19 July 2016.

Anime
The manga series was adapted into an anime by Madhouse, which aired between 7 April 2004 and 28 September 2005 on Nippon TV. Directed by Masayuki Kojima and written by Tatsuhiko Urahata, it features original character designs by long-time Studio Ghibli animator Kitarō Kōsaka which were adapted for the anime by Shigeru Fujita. The music was composed by Kuniaki Haishima, including the opening theme "Grain".

David Sylvian was commissioned to write the first ending theme, "For the Love of Life", on which he collaborated with Haishima. In the cover notes to the official soundtrack he said, "I was attracted to the Monster material by the moral dilemma faced by its central character. The calm surface of the music giving way to darker undercurrents, signifying the conscience of the lead protagonist and the themes of morality, fate, resignation, and free will." It was used for the first 32 episodes. The second ending theme, "Make It Home" by Fujiko Hemming, was used for the remaining 42 episodes. It is the only song Hemming sung in her career.

The credit sequence features illustrations from the book Obluda, Která Nemá Své Jméno (The Monster Who Didn't Have A Name) by Emil Scherbe which was published by Shogakukan on 30 September 2008.

An English dub of Monster was produced by Salami Studios for Viz Media, which had the North American license to the anime. The show aired on Syfy's Ani-Mondays with two episodes back-to-back each Monday night at 11:00 pm EST, beginning 12 October 2009, as well as on its sister network Chiller. A DVD box set of the series, containing the first 15 episodes was released 8 December 2009. However, due to low sales of the first box set, Viz decided not to continue releasing the remaining episodes on DVD and later dropped the license. Monster began airing on Canada's Super Channel on 15 March 2010, and on the Funimation Channel on 3 April 2010 on weekends at 12:30 am. The series was also available digitally from several internet retailers. Siren Visual licensed the series for Australia in 2013, and released it in five DVD volumes beginning in November 2013.

Netflix began streaming the series internationally on 1 January 2023, premiering the first 30 episodes; the entire 74 episodes were made available for the following month.

Live-action adaptations
In 2005, it was announced that New Line Cinema acquired the rights for an American live-action film adaptation of Monster. Academy Award-nominated screenwriter Josh Olson (A History of Violence) was hired to write the screenplay. No new information on the film was released since.

In 2013, it was revealed that Guillermo del Toro and American premium television network HBO were collaborating on a pilot for a live-action TV series based on Monster. Co-executive producer Stephen Thompson (Doctor Who and Sherlock) was writing the pilot, while del Toro was to direct it and be an executive producer alongside Don Murphy and Susan Montford. In 2015, del Toro told Latino-Review that HBO had passed on the project and that they were in the process of pitching to other studios.

Manga
Monster has been critically acclaimed. It won an Excellence Prize in the Manga Division at the first Japan Media Arts Festival in 1997; and the Grand Prize of the 3rd Tezuka Osamu Cultural Prize in 1999. It also won the 46th Shogakukan Manga Award in the General category in 2001; and the Best Manga Series at the Lucca Comics Awards in 2004. The Young Adult Library Services Association placed Monster on their 2007 Great Graphic Novels for Teens list. Viz Media's English release was nominated several times for Eisner Awards, twice in the category Best U.S. Edition of International Material – Japan (2007 and 2009) and three times in Best Continuing Series (2007, 2008, 2009). In 2009, when Oricon conducted a poll asking which manga series the Japanese people wanted to see adapted into live-action, Monster came in fifth. At the 2009 Industry Awards held by the Society for the Promotion of Japanese Animation, the organizers of Anime Expo, Monster won the award for Best Drama Manga. The Monster manga has over 20 million copies in circulation.

Writing for Time, Pulitzer Prize for Fiction winner Junot Díaz praised the manga, proclaiming "Urasawa is a national treasure in Japan, and if you ain't afraid of picture books, you'll see why". About.com's Deb Aoki called Monster a multi-layered suspense series and satisfying mystery that stands up to repeat readings, although it is sometimes a "little hard to follow". Reviewing the Monster manga for Anime News Network, Carl Kimlinger called Urasawa a master of suspense "effortlessly maintaining the delicate balance of deliberate misinformation and explicit delineation of the dangers facing protagonists that only the finest suspense thrillers ever achieve." He commented that even the stories and characters that had felt unrelated to the greater picture are "eventually drawn together by Johan's grand plan." Kimlinger deemed the art "invisible perfection," never "showy or superfluous," with panels laid out so well that it is easy to forget how much effort is put into each and every page. Though he did not find the characters' physical designs attractive, he praised their expressiveness, writing that the characters "wear their personalities on their faces, communicating changes in their outlooks, psychology, inner thoughts and emotions with shifts in expression that range from barely perceptible to masks of rage, hate and fear." UK Anime Network gave the first volume a perfect score based on the engrossing story, but felt the artwork, while appealing, was not "groundbreaking". On the other hand, Active Anime felt the art improved across the manga's serialization.

A.E. Sparrow of IGN described Monster as a "Hitchcock film set to manga" and felt its real strength comes from its huge cast of interesting characters, who each have "a unique story and history to relate". Carlo Santos, also for Anime News Network, called Monster "a one-of-a-kind thriller" and suggests that one of the most overlooked qualities of it is that "amidst all the mystery and horror, there are moments of love and hope and all the good things about humanity." Though she praised the manga for its "cinematically precise" art, never confusing the reader, and making each person visually distinct despite the large cast of characters, Casey Brienza from the same website felt that too much time was spent developing minor characters "who are likely to be dead or forgotten just a few dozen pages later," and that the series' ending "went out with a whimper." Brienza noted that "there is nothing satisfactory ever revealed to fully account for [Johan's] supremely scrambled psyche," but concluded that as long as the reader does not look for "deep meanings or think too hard about whether or not it all makes sense in the end" they will enjoy it. Leroy Douresseaux of Comic Book Bin, praised Monster's finale and wrote that the manga is "worth reading again and again. It's perfection".

Anime
THEM Anime Reviews called the anime adaptation "complex" and "beautiful", stating that it features "sophisticated storytelling and complex plot weaving, memorable characters, godly production values and excellent pacing". Darius Washington of Otaku USA named Monster one of the ten best anime of the past decade. Carl Kimlinger enthused that "It cannot be overstated how brilliantly apart from the anime mainstream this unsettling, fiercely intelligent, and ultimately uncategorizable journey into darkness is." He praised Madhouse's animation for not only keeping up the dark "cinematic quality of Urasawa's art" but also improving on it, as well as Kuniaki Haishima's score for adding "immeasurably to the series' hair-raising atmosphere." Though he noted Viz Media's inability to acquire the original ending theme song due to licensing problems, Kimlinger also called their English dub of the series one of the best in recent memory.

Kimlinger praised the series, for "its fidelity to Naoki Urasawa's original manga", commenting that "there isn't a scene left out, only a handful added in, and as far as I can tell not a line of dialogue changed or omitted. Given its faithfulness, fans of the manga will know that the series won't get any better than this, this is as good as the series gets." As well as for its frequent habit of giving the spotlight to newly introduced characters instead of the main cast. He also described the ending of the series as, "we feel vaguely let down when what we should really be doing is glorying in the somewhat messy, yes, but exhilarating final throes of one of last decade's great series". Nonetheless, he considered such an ending to be expected, since "as ambitious and complicated and just plain huge as Monster is, no conclusion is going to be entirely satisfactory. Someone is bound to get short-changed, loose ends are bound to be left dangling, and even if they weren't, the simple truth is that no climax could ever live up to the series' build-up".

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Homestuck
I boldly included the start (and end) of Homestuck earlier, as I believe the creative work is fairly deeply tied to this date. This is unlike other creative works, for whom the release date is generally less-remembered. The story itself takes place on April 13, the number 413 is a recurring motiv, etc. I cited Polygon and Comic Book Resources to support this connection, though here I'd like to add this Comics Beat interview, where the author Hussie goes into detail about the date. April 13 was also when the spin-off webcomic Paradox Space began, when the first Viz Media Homestuck hardcover was published, and when Homestuck's "epilogues" were released. Tagging per WP:BRD. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat ) 08:22, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * From WP:DOYSTYLE . Homestuck falls in the "film history" category.  There are other project guidelines I could also point to.  Toddst1 (talk) 18:46, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

New citation regarding Homestuck's relationship with April 13 by the Manila Bulletin:. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat ) 08:39, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't think I ever saw this Daily Dot article before. It's particularly interesting because it describes "International Homestuck Month" in 2013, and of course because it goes into detail on the relevance of the date well before Homestuck concluded. Baker-Whitelaw is a staff writer. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat ) 13:19, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Regarding the multiple messages about Homestuck
I'm a bit new to Wikipedia, so pages like this might already exist, but it could be a good idea to make "[day] in pop culture"-type pages for cases such as this? Like, release dates of well-known media, famous fictional birthdays, significant dates and the like? Mafuyuplush (talk) 10:12, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I like the way you're thinking, but this would result in an endless list of unsorted information. Fictional birthdays in particular just don't have much place on Wikipedia, there's little encyclopedic value there. I think the policy WP:INDISCRIMINATE describes the situation best. If reliable external sources have noted specific pieces of information as particularly interesting, then we can cover it on Wikipedia, but there's a ton of information that's better suited for specific fanwikis. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat ) 07:33, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I guess you're right. The only thing that I'd say wouldn't really clutter a page like that so badly is release dates - it'd be about as full of meaningless names as the birthdays-and-death-dates-of-real-people parts of day pages currently on the site are to most people anyway. Mafuyuplush (talk) 11:04, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I do agree that the endless list of birthdays and deathdays is not particularly practical. However, that sort of discussion should probably be held in the main talk page for this whole date project, and it's probably been discussed a million times already before. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat ) 11:29, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes it has. See the comment in above. Toddst1 (talk) 13:36, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I would note that what is considered "trivia" is perhaps not something that us editors can really decide. Which I suppose is why we just put down all birthdays and deathdays, but this solution seems very awkward to me. I'd prefer only placing items on lists such as these that are strongly linked to the date through reliable sources. But I feel I would have to read up on the history of all of DOYSTYLE to get a good grasp of everything and sadly don't have the time and energy. So instead I end up rambling on a random talkpage, pardon me ^_^; ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat ) 14:14, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

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Luss

Luss (Lus, 'herb') is a village in Argyll and Bute, Scotland, on the west bank of Loch Lomond. The village is within the Loch Lomond and The Trossachs National Park.

History
Historically in the County of Dunbarton, its original name is Clachan dhu, or 'dark village'. Ben Lomond, the most southerly Munro, dominates the view north over the loch, and the Luss Hills rise to the west of the village.

Saint Kessog brought Christianity to Luss at the early 6th century in the Early Middle Ages. A number of early medieval and medieval monuments survive in the present churchyard, including simple cross-slabs which may date to as early as the 7th century AD, and a hogback grave-cover of the 11th century. A well-preserved late medieval effigy of a bishop is preserved within the modern church. The present Church of Scotland place of worship was built in 1875 by Sir James Colquhoun, 5th Baronet, in memory of his father, who had drowned in the loch in December 1873. The church is noted for its online services as well as for holding over one hundred weddings per year, mostly for couples from outwith the parish. Luss is the ancestral home of Clan Colquhoun and the McInturners of Luss, a sept of Clan Lamont.

Places of interest
Nowadays Luss is a conservation village, with a bypass carrying the busy A82 trunk road. In its position just off the main road to the West Highlands, it is visited by many tourists, and has a large car and coach park and a number of tourist-oriented shops.

Its Outstanding Conservation Area contains 36 buildings, 24 of which are of Category B or C listed status. Many of Luss' cottages, several of which are located on Pier Road, have been described as picturesque. Five of these are Category B listed, were built in the mid-19th century, and are identical constructions; namely Avonlea and Ivy Bank, Fernlea and Ivy Cottage, Laurel Cottage and Ravenslea, Rose Cottage and The Sheiling and Yewbank and Lonaigview.

Between 1980 and 2003, Luss was the main outdoor filming location for the Scottish Television drama series Take the High Road. Largely as a result of this, the village of 120 residents attracts more than 750,000 visitors each year. Although the programme is no longer made, the village's name in the series, "Glendarroch," is used for some buildings.

The village has a kiltmaker and a bagpipe works.

About a mile south of the village, in a cove at Aldochlay, is a small figure on a stone plinth. A contemporary legend evolved that it is a memorial to a child drowned in the loch, but it was in fact erected in 1890 by a local stonemason, who found the statue in a London scrapyard. 'Wee Peter', as he is locally known, was moved to the site after a brief spell near the railway, and has remained there ever since.

Facilities
The village hosts a water taxi service to Balloch, at the south of the loch, allowing visitors to transfer onwards to Glasgow by train or visit its shopping centre, Lomond Shores. Luss Pier is a popular starting point for boat trips on the loch.

The Loch Lomond Golf Club, which was for a number of years the site of the Barclays Scottish Open, is within the village's borders.

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Talk:April 14

Removed item about police officer shooting (no context or links)
I removed this line "1972 - Police Officer Phillip Cardillo responded to a 10-13 at Mosque Number 7 in Harlem and was shot to death while other responding NY Officers were severely beaten." My reason = there is no context or links to the story and it's not clear how it is significant. If this is note-worthy then please create an article of the episode and link to it from this date page. If not, then please do neither. Thanks, Hu Gadarn 17:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Not important enough to be on this article. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 18:04, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Titanic
Surely the sinking of the Titanic should be a noteable date. I think people would be more interested in the sinking of the Titanic than the Georgian language, for example. (no offence to the Georgian Language). Codu (t)⁄(c) • 14:10, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

 * The Titanic sank on April 15. --213.6.20.203 (talk) 07:53, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

 * The above is correct. however - the iceberg struck the Titanic at 11:50 pm April 14th ship's time. 70.190.14.184 (talk) 11:09, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Apollo 13
It was listed on the main wikipedia page as occurring then... I think it should be included here. US time doesn't apply in space unfortunately- our times zones only matter on land. DaRkAgE7 (talk) 01:18, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

 * In most cases local time is used for events. In this case, there is no local time so doesn't it seem reasonable that the time should be relative to those experiencing the event?  According to the astronauts and Mission Control, the date was April 13.  Time in space is usually relative to the home base because they often schedule activities based on daytime at the home base (not always).  Also, since it was an American event, shouldn't it be listed as it was reported in the American sources?  When you look at the Nasa sources it says April 13.  It would be confusing to list it on April 14.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 01:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Valid point, and I agreed I suppose. But this makes me wonder why it was listed on the Main Page of Wikipedia and nobody said anything...time.  Also, aboard the ISS, UTC is used.  Understandably it is an international venture, but I don't feel like arguing- kinda a lame edit war to start.   DaRkAgE7 (talk) 07:25, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Bear with us!
How is one's death an event more than it is a death? For instance, didn't Licoln die on April 14? :-| --213.6.20.203 (talk) 07:52, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Lincoln was shot on the 14th, he didn't die until the 15th. Just as the titanic hit the iceburg on the 14th, but didn't sink until the 15th.  DaRkAgE7 (talk) 18:08, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

 * i suggest that "Titanic Strikes Iceberg" and "John Wilkes Booth Shoots Lincoln" be placed on "Events" as opposed to "Deaths". An example for the logic behind this is Chernobyl. Chernobyl reactors exploded and melted down on April 26, but no one actually died on April 26 because of this event. The event created a notable point in history in a manner that it caused a historic death or series of deaths at a later time. The events of John Wilkes Booth shooting Lincoln and the Titanic striking the iceberg are notable in the same manner - both events had repercussions that caused notable deaths or notable social changes. 70.190.14.184 (talk) 11:27, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

DJIA Point Changes
Regarding your blanket reversion of my additions to dates of record point changes in the DJIA with the comment "Regarding your comment that "Not every zig-zag of a single national stock exchange is worth noting," and, "Actually, it is (London, Tokyo, Paris?) and none of these are historic, merely transitory," I find your arguments to be disingenuous for the following reasons: —  X   S   G   10:03, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) This is the English Language Wikipedia.  A serious argument can be made that the Dow Jones Industrial Average is the single most monitored stock index in the world, not just in the English language, and it is therefore specious to maintain that it is  just "a single national stock exchange".
 * 2) The entries I've made were for days in which the DJIA had achieved a record point change.  These records are set only very infrequently.  It's not that the market hit a record high; that kind of information becomes non-notable usually after a short period of time.  These weren't just ordinary "zig-zags".  These were days of large consequence to the world of corporate finance.
 * 3) Prior to my additions, there were existing precedences for inclusion of the same kind of material, including September 29, October 19, October 27, and October 13.  Arbitrary inclusion of some of these and not others seems non-encyclopedic.
 * 4) Just because these dates are not memorable for you now does not mean that they were not notable at the time.
 * 5) Your actions are of someone who thinks they WP:OWN these articles.  If you disagree with the change, it is more proper to talk about them prior to their removal unless the content addition blatantly doesn't belong.
 * Since this issue is affecting multiple articles, for now the conversation is at User talk:XSG. —  X   S   G   10:58, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Nelson Mandela
It has been reported that Nelson Mandela escaped from prison on this day in 1978. He was captured when he tried to return for a cigarette that a fellow inmate had forgotten to give to him. I think this is relevant and significant and should be included on this page. 78.149.236.115 (talk) 00:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Santos Futebol Clube
Santos Futebol Clube was founded in April 14th 1912. This is one of the most known football clubs in the world, where Pelé played and it is part of Football history. I believe it is a relevant fact to be added to this page, as it is possible to find many other football clubs foundation dates in Wikipedia. Although trying to include, I couldn't. 41.0.176.34 (talk) 09:37, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Founding dates have no notability of their own. See WP:DOY for further explanation of inclusion criteria.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 10:26, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * When they lack global significance or are not the first of their kind. It could be a matter of interpretation, but it is indeed an important club for this sport. If not so, I can quote September_1 (1910) that includes Corinthians, another Brazilian club. 41.0.176.34 (talk) 10:41, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Using another event as an example isn't a good gauge. Many non notable events get missed.  Each event should be argued on its own merits.  Swayback Maru Mufka's alternate account (talk) 13:07, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Ford's Theater
Wouldn't this count as a globally notable evnt? Iamahashtag (talk) 19:56, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

The Sinking of the Russian guided missile cruiser Moskva
The Moskva was sunk by Ukrainian Forces on April 14.The sinking of the Moskva is considers to be the biggest warship sunk post world war 2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Usertlax (talk • contribs) 20:48, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

 * Those are good references, now you need to find/write a wiki article specifically about this event. Kiwipete (talk) 05:49, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * alright here it is Usertlax (talk) 13:56, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Grouping entries by year
User @Kornatice has started grouping entries in the Events section by year. This seemed against the template, so I reverted his changes. He posted a question, to which I replied mentioning the template. In the meantime, he has reverted my revert. Could someone please make a call here? I don't want to edit war nor break the WP:BRD guidelines. Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 07:06, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

 * Hello @Kiwipete, I just want to clarify that I left the births and deaths formatted the way they were before for now. I made many changes with my edit that also grouped the births and deaths. Since you reverted the entirety of my edits, I just restored the changes that you didn't object to. Kornatice (talk) 15:35, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Schlager music

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From the article:

"During the Second World War, the Nazi Germany Government tightly controlled the creation of music but even due to this, the genre managed to do very well."

I changed this to:

"During the Second World War, the Nazi Germany Government tightly controlled the creation of music but despite this, the genre managed to do very well."

Is this the correct sense the author meant? "even due to" isn't correct English, and it makes the sentence ambiguous - did the Nazi's approve or disapprove of this style? My change implies disapproval, but since the original sentence may have meant to say the opposite, this could be wrong. Graham 23:29, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Sample english songs?
Can we list one or two well known sample English or US singers or songs that are close to the style? - SimonLyall 03:18, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Traditional Schlager often contains a fair amount of schmaltz. 惑乱 分からん 09:41, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Without knowing this point I did so yesterday (or was it the day before). Bridge Over Troubled Water is, in English language, an exemplary schlager - though one of fairly higher quality that you can regularly expect.--91.34.244.211 (talk) 16:35, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Schlag means in English beat, Heartbeat = Herzschlag. Or a hit. Schlager could mean a thing that makes a hit or makes something to a hit. Even the Germans don't know what that really means. It's a word of its own, simultaniously as it is now in English. If a German hears the word schlager, he knows: ah yes, that's this special kind of "kitschy" music. But only very few would think about the word schlag within.

Wording

 * light, pleasant, throwaway pop tunes

Is "throwaway" encyclopedic or NPOV? --198.59.190.201 17:28, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Sweden
Schlager as a music genre in Sweden is just a myth, that originated in the 1970's. "Schlager" is German for hit, and the word was used so earlier in the Swedish language. Sometimes it also was used for all kind popular music, and somtimes for older popular music, music which isn't like hard rock and heavy metal. When ABBA became popular, people begun to call their Melodifestivalen songs as "schlager". Later, artists as Elisabeth Andreassen, Shirley Clamp, Kikki Danielsson, Lotta Engberg, Carola Häggkvist and Lena Philipsson are characterized as "schlager" if the song was in Melodifestivalen, especially if the song had a "catchy" refrain. But they are just pop songs. Their other songs are seldom characterized as "schlager", even if they have that sound. If a song is performed in Melodifestivalen and the Eurovision Song Contest, many people call it schlager. Sometimes, it's also the dansband music that is characterized as "schlager" in Sweden. J 1982 23:54, 23 February 2007 (CET)

 * I agree, I've never heard songs like Fångad av en stormvind and Diggi-Loo Diggi-Ley described as "Schlager". The Swedish section should be cut.Bdell555 07:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Category:Schlager vs Category:Schlager Musicians
Hello, maintainers of this article. Could anyone more familiar with this topic look into something for me?

At the AfD discussion for List of Schlager musicians, the consensus was found to delete the list and replace it with a category, which makes great sense. An editor rightly pointed out that Category:Schlager already exists. Is there a reason why this category shouldn't be Category:Schlager musicians, following the already established pattern (for comparison, see Category:Blues musicians. Perhaps in German, the word "musician" is already implied in the world schlager. Any input would be appreciated.  A  Train ''talk 19:41, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Hungary
Well, I'm a bit into pop music from other countries (I'm German myself), and I have to say that Hungarian "pop" music resembles schlager a LOT. There's one evident example I have, Baby Gabi. This is music you would expect on relaxed weekend TV shows interrupted by cooking actions, etc. Maybe someone is Hungarian here? This music is very close to German (modern) schlager and if you gave that German lyrics, you could let them get sung by Mary Roos or Gaby Baginsky, for example. -andy 84.149.115.196 (talk) 00:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

USSR
In the USSR the word шлягер was not a name of genre but a kind of synonyme for hit. Phrase the song became a shlager is quite common. Is this meaning present in any other countries? KonstKaras (talk) 11:34, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

good source
--Espoo (talk) 12:03, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

No history?
--Buggwiki (talk) 00:54, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

 * I'm wondering too.2001:16B8:4654:7100:FC43:4C41:A880:CAD6 (talk) 16:18, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Southeastern Europe
The article reads....and Southeast Europe, (in particular Germany,[1] Austria, Albania, the Netherlands, Flanders, Republic of Macedonia, Slovenia, Serbia, Croatia, Poland, Hungary, Switzerland, Turkey, Scandinavia and the Baltic States)... As far as I am concerned, Germany, the Ntherlands, Flanders, Poland, Switzerland, Scandinavia and the Baltic States aren't located in Southeastern Europe. Plus why is Flanders even in this list since it is not an independent country, but a region in Belgium? Norum 14:23, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Date of origin? At least 1940's or older...
The article currently says "since it originated in 1956," but this seems doubtful, as I'm reading a WWII diary (A Woman in Berlin) about the fall of Berlin, and it talks about the Russian soldiers drinking and "singing a schlager". Surely the translator did not just invent a new word, here... 67.198.37.16 (talk) 02:38, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The year 1956 refers to the start date of the Eurovision Song Contest, not the music style. I've clarified the wording.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:01, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah thanks! 67.198.37.16 (talk) 06:16, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

"The style emerged in Europe after the Second World War, partly as a backlash against American rock and roll." That's not true. Schlager existed before rock and roll. "The German word Schlager (itself a calque of the English word hit) (...)". That's also not true. The word Schlager was first used in 1867 in a Vienna newspaper. I have that from "Schlager" in the German Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16B8:5CBD:3300:F98E:4C9:D7B0:FBF3 (talk) 02:39, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

german schlager
"Germans view schlager as their country music." In Germany, schlager and "Volksmusik" (country music) have common roots, but they are not identical.. "...and American country and Tex-Mex music are both major elements in schlager culture." This is unfortunately completely wrong. The accordion plays almost no role in the Schlager music, for example.--Zibaldone (talk) 21:38, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Origins wrong
According to the german article on schlager, the schlager is much older than the second world war, and also the word schlager is not a "calque".--345Kai (talk) 22:03, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I took out the part discussed in the first part of your post. It made even less sense when you look at it..."as a response to rock and roll" which didn't exist then. North8000 (talk) 22:21, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Why No Audio Clips?
I am accustomed to visiting Wikipedia pages about musical genres, artists, albums, songs, instrumentation, et al. and finding short audio clip widgets so I can hear what the text attempts to describe. I would consider these to be of particular importance on musical genre pages since one or more good examples in audio format would be of much greater assistance than mere text to those who are unfamiliar. Imagine a Wikipedia page about the color red that describes wavelengths and whatnot and gives examples of red-colored things but lacks a picture in the upper right that is simply colored red. Now I have to poke around YouTube to discover what Schlager is and I've already wasted enou 2600:1700:5DD0:3E40:C141:125F:ACB8:BA1E (talk) 14:23, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:April 17

Federal express delivery is notable?
I'm wondering about today's entry re Federal express. This hardly seems notable to me. And if it is notable, will we also see "Virgin Recordstores's first CD sale", "First financial transaction by Bank of America", etc. I propose that the Fedex entry be removed. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. Thanks, Hu Gadarn 19:07, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Dunno about this one. Fed Ex is a huge corporation and one of the leaders in what it does.  I believe they are the "standard" for worldwide delivery. Being the main competition to the United States Postal Service is quite an accomplishment but it is notable enough?  I really can't tell you to be honest.  My two cents?  They are the company I think of over all others in the industry and makes them notable to me.  But I ain't the final authority :-D -- Borameer ™ 20:27, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

 * OK, thanks (and thanks for the quick replies to my various queries). I'll not delete this unless others weigh in here in favour of deletion. I will edit the entry though since it seems to be written with a "rah! rah!" tone. Hu Gadarn 21:05, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Jesus
Should Jesus Christ's birthday be atleast mentioned? Read Star of Bethlehem to see what I mean, the Molnar section.– Sidious1701(talk • email • todo) 21:34, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * This was already in the article at one point, but I guess someone removed it. No clue why. I'm guessing because it can't really be verified. --Haoma (talk) 03:32, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

1861
1861 – The state of Virginia's secession convention votes to secede from the United States, becoming the 8th state to join the Confederate States of America. It joined the CSA on May 7, maybe that should be added so people don't think it joined the same day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.127.71.183 (talk) 12:53, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2021
Just want to add my birthday 17 1996 2601:3C5:100:45A0:50CA:A95A:3CB8:E3F (talk) 13:34, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:01, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

FAO day
Nothing listed at link provided. 2607:FEA8:FF01:7B32:4F0:A862:E06D:4C7E (talk) 11:04, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:April 19

Genya Ravan
Listed here, but pending an article. Rklawton 01:03, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Not anymore, but that's what redlinks are for -- hinting that an article is needed. --Dhartung | Talk 23:11, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Zola Levitt
May I ask why Zola Levitt's death on April 19th 2006 was taken off? Colonel Marksman 23:00, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Probably because some Nimrod didn't link his name to his article, and some other Nimrod didn't check before removing it. Rklawton 23:12, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

 * 1. I'm not a nimrod. 2. I saw the rules and checked. Zola Levitt fits all criteria. Colonel Marksman 00:07, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Nimrod was a might hunter, but that's besides the point. You removed a guy who died on this date and who has an article here in Wikipedia, and you left no edit summary.  What removal criteria did he meet?  Rklawton 01:37, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Bay of Pigs
Whoever keeps re-writing the April 19 entry for "Bay of Pigs" has an indefensible position: that of the invasion being a failure. The fact is that the "defense" against the invasion was a success. The Bay of Pigs entry should reflect the success of the repelling of the attack, rather than the attack being a "failure". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Horse Badorties (talk • contribs) 02:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC).

I received this message:

Please stop changing the Bay of Pigs entry. Its obvious that whenever an invasion fails, the invaders are the ones who lost. Insinuating that Cubans won an invasion is POV pushing. Gdo01 02:47, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that describing the "invasion" as such leads us to viewing it only as a success or failure from the POV of the invaders. It's almost as if the efforts of the Cubans to defend themselves is irrelevant.

I think it's better to present the invasion as the illegal act that it was, and present it as a successful repelling of an illegal invasion, which is exactly what it was, sans POV.
 * It really has to do with the machinations of the link. Bay of Pigs invasion is an event with an article, Bay of Pigs defense isn't, while Bay of Pigs defense has no link to an article other than the location which in turn has a link to Bay of Pigs invasion. Gdo01 03:07, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

 * It's not necessary that every word or phrase refer to another Wikipedia article. Therefore, the defense against the attack at the Bay of Pigs need not refer to a Bay of Pigs Defense article. I think the thing to keep in mind is that the attack was illegal, and that the defense was a success. The fact that there is no Bay of Pigs Defense article has more to do with the lack of access of Cubans to Wikipedia than anything else. Horse Badorties 03:30, 21 April 2007 (UTC)Horse Badorties

Dickie Goodman born twice
Novelty songwriter Dickie Goodman appears to have been born twice - once in 1932, and again in 1934! Mark Sublette (talk) 22:17, 13 December 2007 (UTC). Incidentally, the reason I was checking this page is because I, too, was born this date. Mark Sublette (talk) 10:37, 15 December 2007 (UTC)Mark Sublette

Benalmádena coach crash
This event does not rise to the level of global notability. I can see no reason that this event would have any impact outside of Spain and why anyone outside of Spain would be interested in this event from a historical perspective. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 18:43, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I still think the Málaga coach crash is notable. It is the worst traffic accident in Spain in seven years. The reason stated is "car crash in Spain is not really notable". Does a car crash killing nine people and injuring 38 have to happen in the USA to be "globally notable"? I just got back home from the local pub, and there I read the latest issue of Iltalehti, which had devoted over ten pages solely to this event! And you claim Wikipedia should just ignore it? J I P | Talk 19:26, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I just glanced through the category Category:Road accidents in the United States. There were three accidents with fewer deaths than this one: one with seven, one with four and one apparently with only one (at least I did not see a mention of anyone else getting killed). So why is an accident killing nine people and injuring 38 so non-notable? You have claimed it is not notable outside Spain. As I have just demonstrated, it is one of the most important current news in Finland, which is outside Spain. I have not had access to the Spanish press, but I can think they have covered it extensively as well. J I P  | Talk 19:44, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

 * (Edit Conflict) - The worst crash in seven years is not the worst ever. The worst ever might belong here.  "Does a car crash killing nine people and injuring 38 have to happen in the USA to be "globally notable"?" Absolutely not.  It might be newsworthy, but not globally notable.  Please have a look at WP:DOY.  I am not familiar with Iltalehti, but the first line of the article on it says that it is a tabloid newspaper and they are usually looking for stories to fill their pages.  If the event involved some prominent figure or was especially scandalous or changed the way buses operate, then it might be notable.  Perhaps if the article on the subject was supported by some sources outside of Europe (and in English - considering this is the English WIkipedia), it might help.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 19:50, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Are any of the three accidents with fewer deaths mentioned on date articles. Probably not.  Newsworthy does not mean globally notable.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 19:51, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

 * It's only been two days since the crash. There has been not enough time for Spain to react by changing their laws. Iltalehti is not as reputable as Helsinki's main newspaper Helsingin Sanomat, but is still one of the most read newspapers in Finland. And if you want an article about the crash in Helsingin Sanomat, Helsinki's most respected and Finland's most read newspaper, here is one. And why does there have to be coverage outside Europe? Was there coverage of the three accidents I mentioned outside the United States? And if you read the article I translated this evening, you can see that the very first reference is in English. It might only be from the UK (the birthplace of the English language), so it might not be good enough. J I P  | Talk 19:56, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Before we go too far, I think we are mixing apples and oranges. I will concede that the event is notable enough for an article.  So we can move beyond that.  But it needs to be globally notable for inclusion in this list. If the event is not prominently covered in sources outside of Europe, it can't be globally notable.  I'm sure it will be mentioned in outside sources, but will it have an impact outside of Europe?  Will it be memorialized outside of Europe?  The jury is still out on that.  I am worried that you unfairly perceive a bias because I am American.  This is unfair and insulting.  I invite you to check my track record.  I am equally critical of American events.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 20:02, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

 * OK, I have to apologise for calling you biased. Other users are still adding non-notability tags to the article, but I have removed them, because I think the incident is notable enough. By the way, I found an English language Wikinews article about this: Bus crash in Spain leaves 9 Finnish tourists dead, written by an American 14-year-old boy only a few hours after the incident happened. J I P  | Talk 04:35, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

 * I agree with Mufka about this. I fail to see how it has global notability. Carl.bunderson (talk) 03:28, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

 * This event is not of world notablility, hence it should not be on a day article. 2008 in Spain should be created, and it should be included on that article. 188.28.113.151 (talk) 11:12, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Moore's law
I'm wondering whether it would be possible to add a technology "anniversary" to the list. April 19, 1965 is the date of publication of Moore's law, as described by Gordon E. Moore in Electronics magazine. This year was the 50th anniversary of Moore's Law. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:02, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

"Primrose Day"
The only mention of any "celebration" is from 1906. I suggest it be removed from here.--Richardson mcphillips (talk) 19:16, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:36, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * thanks! I know I could have done it myself, but sometimes people get upset at a unilateral action of that kind.--Richardson mcphillips (talk) 13:48, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

"Bicycle day"
From the link, this doesn't seem to be appropriate for this listing. Suggest it be removed.--Richardson mcphillips (talk) 13:48, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅. I can see a stronger case for keeping this one than Primrose Day, as the article states that Bicycle Day is commemorated by LSD users. Nonetheless, a general/vague claim that the day is recognized didn't feel strong enough to me to warrant inclusion. Anyone who feels otherwise is invited to comment here. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 10:30, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Putting it back in - pretty well cited at the linked article section. Ab e g92 contribs 21:27, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * but not established as an official or governmental or generally celebrated holiday or observation. It should not be here. --2607:FEA8:D5DF:1AF0:AD20:B600:FF9E:4E34 (talk) 12:03, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Removed - unreferenced and therefore not eligible for inclusion. Deb (talk) 15:02, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Protestant Reformation
The statement is made; "1529 – Beginning of the Protestant Reformation: "

The Germans just finished celebrating the beginning of the Protestant Reformation in 2017, the 600th anniversary of Martin Luther's 95 theses. It isn't clear in the statement in the article what it was that counts as the beginning of the Reformation. If ever there was a need for citations to justify an item, this is it.

Otherwise, I challenge it as not worthy of inclusion.

--Vicedomino (talk) 04:01, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Removal of Patriots' Day, done without comment on Revision as of 16:21, 21 April 2016
I'd be bold and would add it back myself, except article is semi-protected for some reason.

173.153.196.252 (talk) 14:07, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

under "Holidays and observances" please add: 173.153.196.252 (talk) 14:16, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Patriots' Day (Massachusetts, Maine and Wisconsin, United States)

 * ✅ –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 15:25, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

The entire subsection was removed, probably totally like accident like the last undocumented edit. I've restored it manually. 2600:1000:BE02:3ADA:94C6:93F2:2095:377C (talk) 02:31, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

2600:1000:BE06:35EC:94C6:93F2:2095:377C (talk) 03:33, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Tried to restore a section that appears to be removed inadvertently, but at least without comment
 * Reverted twice without comment, third time with a vague one.
 * More experienced editors clearly violated multiple Wikipedia policies, and at this point I'm unsure of the correct course of action. My good-faith edits should not be rejected wholesale, thrice, without any effort to come to a consensus, or even leave a note on the talk page.

 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y".  casualdejekyll  14:10, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

 * What does it mean, User:Casualdejekyll, when an experienced Wikipedia volunteer can't seem to locate the three times my good-faith edits were reverted, instantly, by sockpuppet, breaking the 3-revert rule and (twice) done without any explanation at all? 2600:1000:BE04:2BD6:2031:966F:2810:A16D (talk) 21:22, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

 * What does it mean when you can't give us the diffs? I see no sign of any known sockpuppets in recent history. Deb (talk) 15:09, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Constantine VI
I'm pretty sure Irene's conspiracy and the removal/blinding of Constantine VI took place on August 19, not April 19. 2600:4040:2486:2600:BD91:2F14:7AEA:25A7 (talk) 18:29, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've removed it. Deb (talk) 07:35, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

title: Talk:April 19