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Talk:Daejeon

Early comment
Wikipedians in Daejeon is created, let's discuss about Daejeon together. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryuch (talk • contribs) 05:58, 20 November 2004 (UTC)

Spelling of the name
In English, it seems "Daejeon" is also often spelled "Taejon". Is there a rule or convention that makes one spelling more correct than the other? Should the article not mention both? — SomeHuman 21 Nov2006 05:58 (UTC)

 * Yes there is. See Naming conventions (Korean), per which we use the Revised Romanization of Korean (at least in non-North-Korean articles).  According to that system, the correct spelling is "Daejeon."  "Taejon" (or more properly "Taejŏn") is the spelling under the McCune-Reischauer system, which was in use in South Korea from 1987 to 2000.  Since that spelling is still widely used, the article should mention it -- but only mention it.  Cheers, -- Visviva 06:22, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. This considered, I assume its mentioning in the 'infobox Korean city' will suffice. — SomeHuman 21 Nov2006 17:12 (UTC)

Population growth
The last sentence in Daejeon says that the population growth of Daejeon is the second highest following Seoul. However, sources I've found suggest that population in the city of Seoul is actually decreasing (, all in Korean, unfortunately). Another problem is among what is the growth ranked? Growth is second highest among metropolitan cities, but the rank is lower in the city-province list. The list with narrower administrative boundaries does not list the metropolitan cities by themselves.

I also cannot find sources suggesting that it is the population growth which is fueling construction and the high-tech industry (which is why I didn't just go ahead and edit the statement). I also think the cause and effect relationship is mixed up a bit: high-tech industry probably fuels population growth which stimulates construction (this needs sources, too, and it may not be just the high-tech industry (e.g., government installations)). YooChung 01:15, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Neither I do not find reliable source, but I know the Kyeonggi province has the most high population growth rate. People flee from Seoul to Gyeonggi. Probably Daejoen is the second among metropolitan cities and provinces. -- 59.26.176.239 (talk) 01:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Removing sentence as unsourced. – S. Rich (talk) 07:32, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

A remove some informations
"Taejon Christian International School has been servicing expats living in Daejeon and South Korea for over fifty years. The school will soon be located in the Daedeuk Techno Valley of Daejeon."

A new editor adding this above one, but I remove it because notability concerns. There are many the sceondery school in Daejeon. How is this school "notable"?

The foreigner make less the 1% in Daejeon, and website saying only 600 students. Nxo (talk) 16:08, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Research and Development
The "Research and Development" section reads as an advertisement. Use of "remarkable", "... to play a leading role in the world", "... by such outstanding universities as ...", and so on.

143.248.157.242 (talk) 08:01, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Changing the Address name
At 2009, Samcheon - dong`s (삼천동) address name is changed to Dunsan3dong (둔산3동) — Preceding unsigned comment added by HaeYoon (talk • contribs) 14:14, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Daewoo

POV
Sorry but the corporations section of this article, to me at least, looks almost like an advertisment for the company, it needs changing and probably updating. Someone who knows more about Daewoo should do this though, all I noticed was POV Hydraton31 14:59, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to have to agree - the Crisis History section of the article sounds heavily biased in favor of Daewoo, and takes on a pretty accusatory tone with the South Korean government. Furthermore, it lacks citations or sources.

Is this article about GM-Daewoo Motors?
This article needs to be changed. Daewoo has been split up into different companies, so this article needs to reflect Daewoo Motors` buyout by GM. --Ce garcon 12:53, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

couldn't agree more...
I agree with this guy. And besides... The DAEWOO guy took all his money and fled to europe. It was aired on the korean news years ago! Whoever says the GOVERNMENT took part in this is absurd. It was the Founder's fault and his alone. Why else would he take all his money and leave korea for good? because of his greed.

You forgot a signature. No big deal. Anyway, even though this might be dead obvious, Wikipedia's not a collection of opinions. It's a non-biased collection of verifiable information. So if we want to dig up dirt, we have to find some sort of factual documentation to source. Bmunden 18:49, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

No.
Most definitely not.

This article is not about Daewoo Motors or GM Daewoo. It is about Daewoo Group, the conglomerate that was liquidated. An article on GM Daewoo might need to be set up new altogether.

the logo at the top of the page belongs to AutoZAZ-Daewoo, the former joint-venture of AutoZAZ (Zaporizhia, Ukraine) and Daewoo

Questions: 1) if it is correct to use this logo for Daewoo group page 2) as JV was Ukrainian, so most likely was the language of the logo

This article is a joke
Especially the crisis history section. Where is the mention of accounting fraud commited by Kim? Instead, it's filled with conspiracy theories that no sane person would believe. He was wanted by the Koeran government for fraud. end of story.

Note that the section in question has been cleaned up considerably and properly referenced to credible news organizations.

template
i am replacing the template with the basic korean template, without hanja, because hanja is not really a part of the local language name. in korean language results from google, 대우 outnumbers 大宇 by about 1688:1. Appleby 17:00, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Using the English Google with Unicode settings, I've got 3.1million for 대우 vs. 1.49million for 大宇. So it's more like 2:1, and it should be OK to put the Hanja back in.--Endroit 17:15, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

non-language specific results for 大宇, including the first result, are not for this company. for english language results, i get 899 results for the hanja ,and 13,200 for the hangul, or a ratio of about 15:1. but the purpose of the infobox is to provide info on the local language name, which i think would be better reflected in korean language results. Appleby 17:51, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Okay then, we shouldn't be using Google to begin with. The Korean Hanja results in Google you used are not accurate either, because THEY MISS MOST of the Unicode occurrences of 大宇 (the Daewoo company) altogether.  The real ratio would be somewhere between 2:1 and 1688:1, which doesn't prove anything.  I would advise against using Google to prove your point for Hanja, since it is inaccurate.  We should use other methods, such as concensus in these discussions.

 * Please don't get me wrong.... Most of your Hanja deletions in the last couple of days (so far) have been good. I just had a comment with the way you used Google count.  (Just a minor objection).--Endroit 18:24, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree with Endroit. The fact that 大宇 can never be found in a hangul encoded page is a technical issues, not a language issue.  hanja can only show up in unicode encoded page.  Kowloonese 22:29, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

could you provide a link to the unicode google results? [edit: actually, i see you're talking about the same result that i got from non-language-specific search, where the first result is not about this company. why would you search outside of korean language pages for korean language local usage?] i'm not sure what you mean by that. if we agree that the infobox is for the local language info, i don't understand why you wouldn't just look at the korean language results, could you explain? if it can be objectively shown that hanja is not a part of the local language usage, subjective opinions of a few random people obviously can't override the data. Appleby 18:49, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Here are my links for Hanja (1,490,000) and Hangul (3,100,000).

 * Daewoo is (was?) an international corporation, originating in Korea, but marketing to the world. This would be similar to Hyundai and Chosun Ilbo.  Look at their logo's!  Wouldn't you consult with official corporate logo's and documents before consulting Google anyways?  And these companies use authentic Korean Hanja's on their own initiatives.

 * Since these international entities tend to market to the whole world, it should be more appropriate to do a Google count for the whole world (which includes China, Korea, and Japan... the countries that understand the Hanja). What is the precedence for companies like Chrysler, Exxon, Philips, Toshiba, Sony, etc?  Would they even use the Google count for the an official corporate name?  Wouldn't you consult with the sources from the company first, rather than Google count?

 * Also, you should listen to Kowloonese too. He may know something about the official Korean names of the company.--Endroit 19:52, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

as i pointed out, your link for hanja daewoo shows that the first link is to a different company than the subject of this article. also, please answer, why would you look at chinese pages for korean language local usage?

lots of companies are global companies, and have localized spellings, which are not the same as the international or u.s. or country-of-origin's name. since this is the english wikipedia article about a korea-based company, i would think that the information should be either about the english or korean language names. otherwise, all companies, including american companies, should have infoboxes with chinese characters if they market to china, according to your logic. but of course, they don't. Appleby 20:09, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Your argument is invalid. We are not adding Chinese name to the article, we are adding hanja.  Last time I checked, hanja is still part of the Korean language.  Kowloonese 22:33, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * My point is that the Google count is irrelevant, because it is inaccurate.--Endroit 20:11, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

why is it inaccurate? what contradicts google's korean language result?Appleby 20:13, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * The Google counts are not accurate for this Hanja (大宇) for the reasons already stated. Well, that is my opinion.  You should ask for other people's opinions also, and try to reach some kind of a concensus.--Endroit 20:16, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

what reason is that? you didn't search korean language results, & you haven't explained why not. why are you counting chinese language results to find korean language local usage? i don't understand how this could be a matter of subjective opinion, when korean language results are 1688:1 for hangul. Appleby 20:18, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * You should search only korean pages encoded in Unicode only. All korean pages encoded in hangul is biased because 大宇 cannot be encoded in hangul.  Kowloonese 22:36, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * The global search results should be inclusive of the Korean language results, and so it is more universal. So I DID include the Korean counts.  And Hanja is official in Korea, China, and Japan, so why omit it?  Finally, Appleby POV says 1688:1, and Endroit POV say 2:1, and we have a deadlock with respect to the interpretation of Google counts.  We really should be asking for other people's opinions before you do anything unilaterally.--Endroit 20:27, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

it's not a pov, the purpose of the infobox is to show local language script & pronunciation, which means you don't count chinese or japanese pages. if you do a search for the chinese characters for coca cola, of course you will get chinese pages, but chinese characters don't go into coca cola infobox. i just don't understand what you're trying to say. i will rfc. Appleby 20:30, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * In my opinion, what Appleby did was a disservice to this encyclopedia. The hanja provided a piece of encyclopedic information regarding the etymology and the history of the name. Such information is valid but not easy to find from google.  If you search for both 대우 and 大宇 in advanced Google search and restrict your result to korean pages only, you will see that 大宇 is mentioned in many korean articles about the corporation.  The ratio of google results is irrelevant because it only represents the present and popular usage, it does not represent the historical aspect.  Likewise, if you search for Madonna by the singer's real name you will also find that "Madonna" outnumber her real name by 1 million to one.  Is such ratio relevant enough to remove her real name from the an encyclopedic article about the singer?  The nature of etymology is that usage of the language evolves, but current usage does not eliminate the need to mention former usage and its evolution process in an encyclopedic article.  Imagine if a researcher is looking up the early history of this corporation from old sources such as 40 year old newspapers in an archive, looking up 대우 may not be sufficient, but he would not know he could also look up 大宇 because Appleby decided that when Google does not have it in 2005, then it is not encyclopedic information.  I argue that Appleby is missing the point totally and misused the Google results without consideration of information that preexisted the Web and Google.  I vote to restore all hanja information that was demaged by Appleby in the past few days for historical reasons.  Kowloonese 20:32, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * The Hanja 大宇 is authentically Korean, and used officially by Daewoo. It is not some jibberish or something that any Wikipedian made up.  There's no need to delete it.--Endroit 20:43, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

it is not used officially by daewoo in korean or english, or by the people of its base country today. i think we're forgetting that this is the english wikipedia & does not exist for the convenience of chinese readers. you will see that in virtually all other articles about companies based in non-english-speaking countries, you will not even find the local language script or pronunciation. i actually think there's no need for even the hangul infobox for modern korean corporations here, but may be helpful to a tiny fraction of english wikipedia readers who can also read the local language of the company's country. but chinese characters are not a significant part of the local language usage, some people are confusing personal fluency in chinese characters with the purpose of the english wikipedia. Appleby 20:46, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * One can do a lot of demage with a bot and a wrong intention. I noticed that Appleby have removed hanja from many more articles.  Seem to me that he/she tries to eliminate hanja from the Korean language, that may be motivated by some anti-Chinese nationalism.  Before such grassroot movement to change the language becomes successful, please restore hanja because it is still part of the current Korean language. Kowloonese 20:52, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * The Korean language names for BOTH Hangul AND Hanja have been determined to be valuable under the Naming conventions (Korean). Most people participating in that discussion have determined that it would be better to keep Hanja, in general.  So there's no excuse for deleting Hanja information... it is against concensus there, to delete Hanja.  I suggest we move this entire Hanja vs. No Hanja discussion back to Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Korean).--Endroit 21:00, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

kowloonese, please feel free to provide evidence of hanja as a significant part of korean local usage for any korea-related article that i modified. i was careful to not remove hanja from any historical or china/japan-related contexts, or even geographical or any names of historical figures, or even most contemporaneous people whose hanja names are not known to 99% of koreans. if i made any errors, please let me know.

i do understand your previous point about historical usage, & don't mean to be dismissive. yes, more trivial information could always theoretically help one more person, but there has to be a limit to the triviality. how many english-speaking researchers of daewoo can read korean, & what fraction of those can also read hanja, & even for those people, what tiny, if any, percent of source material about daewoo is in hanja that's not already available in hangul?

(for those coming from rfc, Hangul is the korean script for the Korean language, which historically used Hanja (chinese characters) in combination with hangul. hanja is rarely used today in korea, except for specific contexts, much as latin is used in the united states in very limited contexts.) Appleby 20:46, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Hangul only carries the phonetic info, just like using English alphabets. Yes it is true that meaning can be associated with the pronunication, every English speaker knows that.  On the other hand, Hanja carries additional meanings and also disambig any homonym usage.  Hanja usage is espcially common in names if not daily terminologies.  I just visited the Daewoo website and bumped into the CEO's page and right there he put his autograph in hanja.  If Hanja is not important to the Korean language any more why didn't he sign in Hangul?  Another technology artifact is affecting the usage of Hanja on the internet.  I don't think a webpage can include hanja when it uses the hangul encoding.  Hanja can be use only when the webpage is encoded in Unicode.  The lack of frequent hanja usage on the web can be explained by the popularity of Unicode usage in Korean webpage, it does not truely reflect the real hanja usage in the Korean language.  Kowloonese 21:15, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

i am trying very hard to avoid this becoming a nationalistic debate. the older generation is certainly more fluent in hanja, & hanja is still used in some contexts for personal names, which is why i generally did not change the biographical articles. (however, most contemporary actors/athletes/singers/popular culture figures do not use hanja in public, & koreans generally don't know the hanja for their names, but that's another topic). hanja can indeed be included in korean language pages, & you will occasionally see them, but it is obvious how rare it is in today's usage. i think it comes down to the purpose of the infobox. again, i don't think it's even necessary at all, & is not consistent with other wikipedia articles on non-english names of international companies. but if we do include in for local language purpose, a peripheral trivia itself, do we go even further than that for etymological research? Appleby 21:30, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
 * No, you DON'T put foreign names in the article unless it is native to the topic. In this case Daewoo started out as a Korean company, regardless of its current status, the hanja name 大宇 is native to this topic and still part of its history, therefore it should stay.  Kowloonese 22:25, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
 * What we are dealing with is about spelling reform and it's a controversial subject. People have different opinions depending on their age group, native tongue etc.  There are plenty of examples.  Some are still in hot debate (e.g. replacing Traditional Chinese with Simplified Chinese) and some have already settled (e.g. replacing chu nom with quoc ngu in Vietnamese).  I understand Appleby's POV is that the Korean situation is getting very similar to Vietnamese in the last century, the use of chu nom was getting scarcer and they were practically non-existent this century.  However, I don't agree Korean has reached the same point as Vietnamese yet.  You can still find plenty of examples of hanja in Korean webpages.  Besides, an encyclopedia should preserve this kind of information a little longer than popular publications.  What else can you look into if you cannot find it in encyclopedia?  Kowloonese 22:56, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Everything I've read on learning the Korean language mentions Hanja. I would say most reasonable people agree Hanja is important in Korea. The Hanja version of a name of anything in Korea would be helpful for english speakers to know. I believe it should be in the article and the inclusion of the Hanja name by itself does not impart a point of view.--Gbleem 21:37, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree. I think we should move the debate back to Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Korean) as Endroit suggested earlier, since what is happening isn't based on any resolution that we reached.  From our debate, I was left with the impression that almost everyone either wanted the hanja or at least wasn't advocating a purge of most of them, and although Appleby had proposed a plan for reform, it would have had to be ironed out to make most of us happy, and implemented later.  I certainly wasn't expecting a whole set of new templates and hundreds of uncommented modifications in period of under 24 hours.  This is getting a bit out of hand; if we can't resolve this easily, perhaps we should request mediation?  -- Calcwatch 22:07, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I've created a Hanja vs. No Hanja section in Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Korean). There is also a voting section there; please just put I oppose or I support (or some variation) with brief explanation if possible, and sign it. Thank you.--Endroit 23:21, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * parenthetically, i'm not sure what you guys mean when you say hanja cannot be encoded in korean language webpages for technical reasons. these korean language pages include hanja . forgive my ignorance, what is the difference between these pages & "unicoded" pages? Appleby 23:38, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
 * My statement was assuming some of these pages were encoded in hangul only and not the KS X 1001:1992 Korean character set. You are right that if the korean pages are coded in ISO-2022-KR, EUC-KR, Jahab or Unified Hangul Code (UHC) encoding methods, then hanja can be in these pages, just like in Unicode.  In the google search that you provided above, the pages were returned in EUC-KR or Unicode encoding, so my statement may not apply if no korean page is encoded in hangul.  Kowloonese 23:35, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I Live in Venezuela and the Brand Daewoo still exists!!
I Live in Venezuela and the Brand Daewoo still exists!!

 * In Australia too. The article says that the conglomerate has been dismantled, and the motor division (including brand) bought by GM. It seems they rebadge some, but sell others as Daewoos. --Singkong2005 08:14, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Well, Brand is still alive. Eventhough the DAEWOO group itself is liquidated, brand "DAEWOO" is still alive among the companies that were once under the group. Such as DAEWOO electronics.

Daewoo Motor Sales
There's a stub article, Daewoo Motor Sales - I don't know if it's separate from Daewoo Motors, or if it should be merged here. Just letting you all know. -Singkong2005 08:16, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I've edited the Corporations section.
I changed most of the descriptions to be more neutral; for example, I changed "excelling in creating" to "which created". I made the descriptions past tense; if I'm wrong, please correct it. I don't know Daewoo, only English. Tagus 04:30, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Used to work there
From 1985-89 I worked for the Electronics Group at Daewoo. The article as posted is too kind to the company and it's founder. He did loot the company as others have said, and wrecked a lot of careers here in the US.

Aside from the preferential treatment Daewoo received from the government; they had a business model that kept them in the black while their American subsidiaries were being drained of cash.

When I would forecast how many units of a particular product would sell in a given quarter, Daewoo would keep kicking the forecasts back until I set the level at the amount of money they felt they needed. As soon as the products left the harbor in Korea; Daewoo would get paid by the government. At that point, I usually had 60 days to move the inflated orders through the different sales channels before doing another bogus forecast.

Daewoo did not care how the products were sold or even if they functioned properly. Once they had been paid it was our problem. We had to warehouse excess inventory, repair poor quality equipment and deal with the law suits on our dime. Even though we were part of Daewoo Electronics, their concerns ended at the shoreline. It was our responsibility to pay the Korean government for the goods and deal with any problems within the US.

Eventually, you couldn't give away a product with Daewoo involvement and most of my Division took what ever jobs that were available elsewhere. After I left, I couldn't help but laugh at the failure of the company. All the time that they were robbing their American divisions, they were in turn being cheated out of billions by their management

a155mm 22:34, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Note These pages are for discussing the article and crafting the article, not the subject of the article. Your story, while interesting, is anecdotal -- and it doesn't belong here. 842U (talk) 22:01, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

 * This "note" is sort of laughable on the discussion page of an article that is as POV as this one and actually includes a series of anecdotes about the company's founder that read like they were churned out by his PR team.24.47.154.230 (talk) 05:23, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Why is this article so ugly?
Hi all, I'm just wondering why
 * 1) there are no photos or pictures
 * 2) it's incoherent
 * 3) there seems to be a lot of vandalism (who has something against Daewoo anyway?)
 * 4) there are lots of odd templates; why not add those bloody sources if there's a kiloton of text?

Just take a look at the German and Spanish versions...

--Sigmundur (talk) 13:48, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

2009 Update
Hello! As I did for the GM Daewoo page, I will try to update the Daewoo Group page too. If you have any idea or suggestion... Feel free to post it here, as usual! Cheers Daewooarca (talk) 19:54, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't the history section be first?
I was confused reading this article. It talks about Kim Woojoong and his socialite wife Heeja before I can even identify who they are. Later on in the history section it explains who these people actually are. It makes sense to move 'history' above Corporations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.74.168 (talk) 00:23, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Daewoo's Acquisition
Can we add Daewoo's acquisition in one section? For example, I found the information that the Daewoo management took over Saehan Motors on June 1978, but the marquee remains until January 1983 when Daewoo took over entirely. More information can be found at 기업연혁: 새한동차 (Daewoo Bus Company History: Saehan Motors) and 기업연혁: 대우자동차 (Daewoo Bus Company History: Daewoo Motors). More information can be found at Saehan Motors. Rjluna2 (talk) 23:08, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

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The article says that that party was left-wing nationalist then again it says the party was affiliated with Socialist International. But the two orientations are different-the former is similar to the ideologies of Sandinista, Kim Jong Il or Slobodan Milosevic while the latter is related to western socialists. What is correct? The party members were of NL fraction, not of PD. Almost all of the old Korean leftists are NL, that is,pro-North. Thus different than the current leftist minority in Korea which is more similar in orientation to Western social democrats.

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Why do you think two different tendencies can't belong in one party? In many countries, lots of leftist parties has different factions in the party. In the case of South Korea, DLP was originally formed by PD faction and later NL faction was joined in the party. after the dissolution of the DLP, PD faction is now in the Justice Party and Labor Party, and NL faction is now in the Progressive Party. The root of these parties is same, from DLP. 125.142.0.116 (talk) 07:36, 7 January 2022 (UTC)


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The article says, "As of 2008, 8.86% of the population older than 5 years old have attained academic degrees." No source is cited for this, but more importantly, why would one measure the percentage of the population with academic degrees by looking at people over age 5? You don't see any 6-year-olds with bachelor's degrees either in North Korea or elsewhere in the world. I would think that we would want to know the percentage of the population over (for example) age 25 or thereabouts with academic degrees, because few people earn their degrees before age 21. Compare List of countries by tertiary education attainment, where the relevant population is people between ages 25 and 64. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 20:22, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

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El Corte Inglés

El Corte Inglés S.A., headquartered in Madrid, is the biggest department store group in Europe and ranks third worldwide. Its primary source of sales is from department stores, followed by internet sales. It is a family business, with most stock held by relatives of the deceased businessmen Ramon Areces Rodriguez and César Rodríguez González (1882–1966), and the Ramon Areces foundation.

El Corte Inglés is Spain's and Portugal's only remaining department store chain. El Corte Inglés has been a member of the International Association of Department Stores since 1998. Stores tend to be very large in size and offer a wide range of products: stores may sell music, movies, portable and household electronics, furniture, hardware, books, clothes, groceries, gourmet food, cars and real estate.

History
In 1934, the founders Ramón Areces Rodriguez and Cesar Rodriguez Gonzalez bought a tailor's shop (which had opened in 1890) located on one of Madrid's most central streets, calle Preciados, at the corner of calle Carmen and calle Rompelanzas, and made it into a limited company.

The property where the shop was located had been owned by Julián Gordo Centenera since 1930. The prime location of the property soon attracted the attention of an Asturian businessman named Pepin Fernandez who was looking to expand a business called Sederias Carretas which he had started in 1934 with a capital contribution from his cousin Cesar Rodriguez Gonzales. His plan was to purchase all of the properties on the block to construct a new building to house his business, a vision which was later realized in the form of Galerias Preciados.

Around 1920, aged 15, Areces had gone to Havana, Cuba, and worked at the famous retail chain Almacenes El Encanto, where he learned the basics of department store business. Cesar Rodriguez had asked Pepin Fernandez to hire his nephew Ramon Areces in Sederias Carretas shortly after his return from Cuba. Pepin refused, so Cesar requested that he at least allow Ramon to operate El Corte Inglés while plans to acquire the block and construct the new building were finalized. Pepin, who had also learned the department store business at Almacenes El Encanto, accepted the request, and transferred ownership of El Corte Inglés to Cesar on 23 December 1935, and acquired the property where it was located on behalf of Sederias Carretas soon after. Once Cesar took ownership of El Corte Inglés, he designated Ramon Areces as manager, a position which he held until his death, including during the Spanish civil war.

When the war ended in 1939, El Corte Inglés relocated to calle Preciados, on the corner of calle Tetuan, near the location of Almacenes el Aguila, to make way for the new Galerias Preciados building.

After the move in 1940, Areces turned the tailor's shop into a sociedad limitada, registering with 1 million pesetas of capital, and shares divided equally between Cesar Rodriguez, who became the first president of El Corte Inglés S.L., and Ramon Areces, whose share of the capital contribution came from a loan facilitated by his uncle. As the business expanded, Cesar Rodriguez eventually became the majority shareholder, although Areces remained in charge of strategic decisions and the day-to-day operations of the business.

In 1945 and 1946, El Corte Inglés acquired its new building and expanded to encompass 2,000 square meters of retail space on 5 floors, and shifted to a department store organizational style similar to that of Galerias Preciados, which had been operational since 1943. The company saw continuous growth until 1952, when it converted its legal structure from a sociedad limitada to a sociedad anónima in which Cesar Rodriguez remained president and majority shareholder, a position which he held until his death in 1966. After this, Ramon Areces, who until then had been managing director, became the president and largest shareholder.

The competition between El Corte Inglés and Galerias Preciados in the 1950s and 60's caused a revolution in Spanish retail distribution. Seasonal discounts, organized ad campaigns, air conditioned stores, massive use of publicity, large scale use of display windows, customer loyalty cards, point of sale data collection, and more. The expansion of El Corte Inglés began in 1962 with the opening of its second department store in Barcelona, and expansion continues until the present. Expansion also diversified into other formats including Hipercor, first introduced in Seville in 1980.

In 1969, the company started to branch out of the retail sector, first opening a travel agency, Viajes El Corte Inglés, in 1969, followed by a telecom and computing equipment wholesaler, Investronica, in 1980, and an IT services and software development company, Informática El Corte Inglés (IECISA), in 1986.

On the death of Areces in 1989, his nephew Isidoro Álvarez became his successor and continued expanding the business while emphasizing self-reliant financing methods, opaque management techniques, and careful investment. In 1995, El Corte Inglés bought out Galerías Preciados, which was its only serious competitor and had entered bankruptcy. In addition to acquiring its arch-rival Galerias Preciados, El Corte Inglés also purchased all of the Marks & Spencer stores in the Iberian peninsula in 2001.

El Corte Inglés entered into a partnership with Repsol in 1998, through which El Corte Inglés would operate convenience stores at Repsol fuel stations. These stores were initially known as Repsol-Supercor, or Repsol-Opencor after 2008, while those not attached to fuel stations were called Opencor. In 2001, El Corte Inglés opened a retail fashion outlet called Sfera. Its first big-box store, Bricor, specializing in home decor and DIY supplies, opened in 2006.

In October 2013, the firm sold a 51% stake in the financing department to the Spanish banking group Grupo Santander for around €140 million. From 2014 to 2018 the CEO of the company was Dimas Gimeno.

In March 2018, El Corte Inglés closed its store on La Rambla of Barcelona.

In 2019, El Corte Inglés sold IECISA to GFI for €300 million.

In June 2020, El Corte Inglés bought the private security and services company MEGA 2 for 28 million euros.

International expansion
The first attempts at international expansion took place in 1981 with the acquisition of the Harris Company, a chain of mid-sized department stores in the United States. The venture was unsuccessful, and in 1998 El Corte Inglés made a deal with Gottschalks, in which Gottschalks took over management of the Harris Company's stores and gave El Corte Inglés 16% of Harris Company stock. This later turned out to be a total loss when Gottschalks declared bankruptcy in the aftermath of the 2007-2008 financial crisis.

This experience led to the company taking a much more conservative approach with its 2001 expansion in Portugal, with a store in Lisbon, followed in 2006 with a store in Vila Nova de Gaia, opposite the city of Porto. In 2006, just as it opened its second store outside of Spain (in Vila Nova de Gaia), the company announced expansion outside the Iberian Peninsula: Italy was to be the first country to host a store, but owing to the ongoing Eurozone crisis, the plan was suspended, as well as the opening of the third store in Portugal.

Various food products bearing the El Corte Inglés brand are marketed in Latin American stores.

Business
According to Deloitte's report on "Global Powers of Retailing," El Corte Inglés ranked 97th in 2020, down 27 places from 2019, when it ranked 69th. This made it the 3rd largest retailer by volume in Spain, behind Inditex and Mercadona. Total retail revenue in 2020 amount to €12,077 million. As of 2008, it was the second largest family business in Spain, and the 66th largest in the world.

The company's retail revenue and net profit both increased continuously until 2007, when they began to drop. The company has not since returned to its 2007 peak of revenue, which was close to €18,000 million, with €747.6 million net profits. Since then, both revenue and profits declined until 2015, and then increased until 2019.

Shareholders
Although the company is known for jealously guarding its privacy, numerous statements have indicated that the Ramón Areces Foundation is the biggest shareholder, with 37% of the company's shares willed to the foundation by its founder. Isidoro Alvarez controls these shares as president of the foundation, together with his own shares, which are believed to be somewhere between 15 and 27% of total shares, making him the largest shareholder.

Cartera de Valores IASA is the second biggest shareholder, with 22% of shares.

Approximately 9% of shares are owned by the children of Luis Areces, Ramon Areces' brother, via the Corporacion Ceslar.

Equal parts of approximately 3% were divided between the four brothers of the Areces Fuentes brothers, sons of Ramon Areces' other brother Celestino. The brothers acquired these shares through inheritance after the liquidation of the holding company. After a lengthy legal conflict, however, they sold their shares to El Corte Inglés.

Ingondel S.L. which held 6% of El Corte Inglés' capital, was property of descendants of César Rodríguez. It was acquired in 2009.

A 7% share is in the hands of Cartera Mancor, S.L., which is also made up of the descendants of César Rodríguez, by way of Paloma García Peña.

Approximately 3% is held by other members of the administrative council, and the remainder is divided between the treasure and some 3000 directors and executives of the company. It is presumed that these shareholders are always employees while they hold shares, since there are restrictions on the transfer of shares.

The administrative council of El Corte Inglés is composed of the following individuals:
 * Marta Álvarez Guil. elected president 11 July 2019.
 * Cristina Álvarez Guil.
 * Jesús Nuño de la Rosa y Coloma.
 * Fernando Becker Zuazua.
 * Manuel Pizarro Moreno.
 * Víctor del Pozo Gil.
 * Hamad bin Jassem bin Jabr Al Thani, represented by Shahzad Shahbaz.
 * Cartera Mancor, S.L, represented by Paloma García Peña.
 * Corporación Ceslar, represented by Ana Carlota Areces Galán.
 * Antonio Hernández-Gil (secretary).
 * Juan Moral-de la Rosa (vice-secretary)

Areas of activity
The business group is divided into the following areas of activity, which are usually commercially configured as companies whose shareholding belongs in its entirety or overwhelmingly majority to El Corte Inglés S.A .:

Retail

 * El Corte Inglés S.A. The parent company, dedicated to distribution through department stores. This was the main activity of the company since its inception. In 2010 it still accounted for 59% of total revenues and about 63.7% of net profit. As of 28 February 2013, El Corte Inglés has 86 centres, 84 in Spain and 2 in Portugal.
 * Hipercor. Chain of hypermarkets dedicated to the distribution of food and household appliances. Hipercor was a response to the entry of French capital into the Spanish market in the 1980s, including Alcampo, Pryca and Continente, with the latter two merging and now operating under the Carrefour brand. As of 28 February 2013, Hipercor has 42 centres in Spain.
 * Bricor. Home improvement and home decor retailer. Bricor was a response to the consolidation of the sector by the Adeo group, which was formed from the Auchan group, which owned Alcampo, among other interests. The Auchan group also owns the Leroy Merlin, Aki and Bricomart brands in Spain. As of 28 February 2013, Bricor had 16 stores: 14 in Spain and 2 in Portugal.
 * Supercor / Supercor Exprés. Supermarket and convenience store chain. Supercor emerged to compete with mid-sized local grocery stores at the end of the 1990s, such as Caprabo, Eroski, and Mercadona. Supercor Express is a smaller sized convenience store format which was adopted by the company in 2011. The sum total of convenience stores, including Supercor, Supercor Express, and Opencor was 238 as of 28 February 2013.
 * Sfera. Fashion retailer stores group. over as of the end of 2022, 490 points of sale - mostly freestanding stores - owned and franchised, including 75 stores-in-store within El Corte Inglés department stores in Spain and Portugal. Sales in fiscal 2020 were 461 million euro. There are stores (as of December 2022) in: It was conceived as a response to chains like H&M, and the Spanish brands Mango, Zara, and Springfield, the latter two of which belong to Inditex and Cortefiel respectively.

IT and communications
In the IT and communications fields, El Corte Inglés has three subsidiaries, which are listed in order of establishment:
 * Informática El Corte Inglés (IECISA). Dedicated to IT consulting, software development and computing services.
 * Investrónica. Consumer computing and telephony wholesaler, and former computer manufacturer under the Inves brand. Integrated in IECISA from 2015.
 * Telecor. Telecommunications services for consumers and businesses.

Service sector
In the service sector, the El Corte Inglés group owns:
 * Viajes El Corte Inglés. Travel agency group from a wholesale and retail point of view. As travel agency it has 599 branches worldwide, 506 of which are in Spain and 93 abroad.
 * Seguros El Corte Inglés (CESS). Insurance company dedicated to insurance brokerage and financial and real estate mediation. It has 105 branches, most of which are located in the El Corte Inglés department stores, although some are dedicated Seguros El Corte Inglés storefronts.
 * Financiera El Corte Inglés. A financial services company that finances purchases for customers and distributes the El Corte Inglés shopping card. Present in Spain and Portugal. 51% of the capital of Financiera El Corte Inglés belongs to Banco Santander as of 2014.
 * MEGA 2. A security and terciary service company present in Spain and Portugal.
 * Grupo Sicor. Provision of services related to physical and digital security, integral services, cleaning and maintenance, logistics, and employment.
 * Sweno. A telecomm company.
 * Sweno Energia. A residential and commercial electrical utility.
 * Bitcor. A cryptocurrency company.

Auxiliary businesses
El Corte Inglés owns 100% of a number of businesses auxiliary to their main business functions, unless otherwise noted. The company has partial ownership in other businesses:
 * Industrias y Confecciones S.A. (INDUYCO). Integrated into the group in 2010.
 * Ason Inmobiliaria de Arriendos S.L. A real estate and rental management company.
 * Construcciones, Promociones e Instalaciones S.A. A construction and renovation company.
 * Editorial Universitaria Ramón Areces S.A. A publisher of text books for Spanish universities.
 * Tourmodial Operadores S.A. A travel services company.
 * Parinver S.A. (75.83%). A holding company which owns some hotel groups and other businesses.
 * 50% of Gestion de Puntos de Venta S.A. (GESPEVESA) which manages Opencor stores at Repsol fuel stations.
 * 50% of Sephora Cosmeticos España S. L.
 * 6.15% of Euroforum Escorial S.A., a training and corporate events company.
 * 4,36 % of Parque Temático de Madrid S.A. which operates Parque Warner Madrid.
 * 1.7% of IAG.

E-commerce
El Corte Inglés' website was the largest in terms of the number of its customers in Spain, with 3.7 million customers in 2011. In 2013, 3.5 million customers and 137 million visits were registered. In December 2016 they reached their monthly peak, with more than 14 million unique users and more than 30 million visits to www.elcorteingles.es, increasing to 32 million in January 2017, becoming the most visited Spanish commercial website in Spain. It was the second most visited ecommerce website in Spain in 2017, behind Amazon.com.

Since 1999 its General Director of Electronic Commerce and Distance Sales Division is Ricardo Goizueta Sagues and the Digital Director or Chief Digital Officer (CDO) is, since 2012, José María Fernández Ortega.

Business model
Like Galerias Preciados in its time, El Corte Inglés' business model was based on introducing American style department stores to Spain during a period where Spain was emerging from economic isolation and autarky. As such, its business model revolved around the idea of a store where customer could buy everything, hence its slogan "The store for all your shopping" (La tienda de todas tus compras). Stores aimed not only to offer a wide variety of articles, but also goods of different levels of quality, with goods divided into departments with additional services such as home deliveries, wedding lists, repairs included in sale price, etc., as well as satisfaction and quality assurances through money-back guarantees.

This model depends on the performance of the following actors:

Customers
The company's main business model has remained constant until the present. Its social and corporate responsibility documents emphasize five pillars of commitment to the customers: quality, service, assortment, specialization, and guarantees. This approach has been used to build customer loyalty.

In the food department, the company has launched a generic brand called Aliada.

The El Corte Inglés shopping card is a credit card which was introduced in 1968, and is one of the most popular in Spain, with 11.58 million active cards in Spain in 2017. Card holders have a one-month grace period to pay off the balance of their card, with an option to defer payment for up to three months without interest, although administrative fees apply. Payment can also be deferred with low interest payments for up to 36 months. The card also grants holders the right to at least 2 hours free parking in store parking garages, and allows the purchase of any product sold in El Corte Inglés centers. Since 2006, the card can also be used to pay for fuel at Repsol fuel stations.

Human resources
In 2011, the company's workforce was made up of 99,323 employees, down from 102,699 the previous year. 93% of those had long-term contracts, and 71% were full-time. The median age of employees was 39 years, with 13 years of experience. 37% of total employees were male compared to 63% female, although in management males outnumbered females.

Annual reports indicated that in 2012, the total number of employees further declined to 96,678, 94% of whom were full time, and 64% of whom were female.

The relationship between El Corte Inglés and its employees has traditionally been formal, familiar, and paternalistic, with the company trying to establish feedback between the company and its employees. The company provides training and educational assistance, financial services, and discounts or financing for purchasing goods and services.

The company has received criticism for discriminating against women, harassment of labor unions, is directly implicated in exploitative labor practices. In the majority of the company's locations, union elections are won by Fetico or FASGA, a national retail union accused of being a yellow union by the UGT and CCOO. Some companies in the El Corte Inglés group, such as Induyco, have been criticized by groups like Oxfam for issues of precarious work and exploitation of textile workers in third world countries.

Suppliers
The company has pursued vertical integration since early on, especially with textiles, when Ramon Areces and other shareholders founded Induyco in 1949, and which became a sociedad anonimo in 1955. Induyco, in spite of having a non-proprietary relationship with El Corte Inglés, initially had El Corte Inglés as its exclusive wholesale client, and its employees were offered benefits as if they belonged to the same group. Later, Induyco still had El Corte Inglés as its majority client, although the relationship was no longer exclusive, though its share structure remained the same, and Isidoro Alvarez was the president. In 2010 El Corte Inglés integrated Induyco into its corporate structure, and in 2012 it ceased activities.

In the field of texties, in addition to Induyco, the company created Confecciones Teruel in 1975 and Industrias del Vestido in 1976. Both companies got the majority of their capital from the Induyco group which itself was part of Investronica and Invesgen. Its creation was motivated by labor conflicts which occurred at Induyco during those years.

In the field of supplying special materials for sale, the company created Mostoles Industrial in the same way as Induyco. Mostoles Industrial, unlike Induyco, retained El Corte Inglés as its exclusive customer while having a non-proprietary relationship with it. Mostoles is most well known for its production of kitchen furniture for the "Forlady" brand.

On the side of real estate development, the company created Construcción, Promociones e Instalaciones S.A. in 1976, whose capital is derived in its entirety from the El Corte Inglés group, and which is responsible for the construction of new stores and renovation of existing ones.

Publicity and advertising
El Corte Inglés has one of the biggest advertising budgets in Spain. In 2011, the group was the biggest advertiser in Spain, with an investment of 171.3 million euros, and as an individual El Corte Inglés itself was the third biggest, with a budget of 99.8 million euros. The company periodically conducts large publicity campaigns like Semana Fanstisca (Fantasic Week) and the Ocho Dias de Oro (the Eight Golden Days) by announcing discounts on its products. On the Christmas holiday, it organizes an animation spectacle called "Cortylandia" in its main stores.

Furthermore, part of El Corte Inglés' company culture includes sponsoring a number of activities that also serve as a form of advertising. For example, the El Corte Inglés Rally is a rally race that ran on the Canary Islands from 1977 to 2001.

Locations
Locations of full-line El Corte Inglés department stores as of December 2023. All are in Spain except 2 in Portugal (Lisbon and Porto).

Madrid-Castellana flagship
The chain's buque insignia (flagship) department store is El Corte Inglés Castellana in Madrid's Salamanca district, in the Castellana neighborhood, just west of Paseo de la Castellana boulevard and Nuevos Ministerios station. It opened on 7 October 2011 on the site of the Windsor Building which caught fire in 2005 and was demolished. In its place was built the Torre Titania tower and El Corte Inglés Castellana complex, designed by architects Pablo Muñoz López and Pedro Vilata Capón/Capont.

The complex encompasses several buildings, the largest having 27 floors, including five below ground dedicated providing parking for 1,600 cars. There are two block of two technical floors each which house engine rooms, air treatment units, elevator machinery, etc. There is a total floor area of 170000 sqm of which 70000 sqm is dedicated to retail sales, thus ranking among the 20 largest department store locations currently in operation worldwide. The company spent around 300 million euro from 2008 through 2011 with the construction of a new building at Castellana 85, dedicated to decoration, that was then integrated with the existing one. After the remodeling and reorganization, merchandise was presented in a differentiated and themed way, in addition to new brands, services, and spaces, such as the Gourmet Experience a food hall with sales of gourmet products, and dining options such as seafood, Asian, Italian, Iberian specialties, hamburgers, grilled meats and fish, cheeses, skewers, fresh pastries, and fresh juices.

The Castellana flagship carries the most comprehensive collection of designers of any large store in Spain. Designer boutiques in this store include: Hermès, Louis Vuitton, Cartier, Armani, Armani Jeans, Armani Collezioni, Gucci, Loewe, Dockers, Ralph Lauren, Bulgari, Dior, Dior Homme, Georges Rech, Versace, Hugo Boss, Boss Woman, Ermenegildo Zegna, Tommy Hilfiger, Dolce&Gabbana, Burberry (men/women), Façonnable, Pal Zileri, Paul & Shark, Lacoste, Pavillon Christofle, CH by Carolina Herrera, Escada Sport, James Purdey and Sons, Lloyd's, Purificación García, Calvin Klein, Caroll Paris, Amitie, Episode, store brands (Emidio Tucci, Dustin) and many others.

Also in the complex is a branch of the Madrid-based Aldeo jewelers, carrying such jewellery designers as Boucheron, Blancpain and Hamilton.

Preciados–Callao store
The Preciados–Callao store complex in the heart of Madrid consists of 4 buildings, including the original flagship Madrid stores of El Corte Inglés and Galerías Preciados:
 * Calle de Preciados #3–5, 7 stories, original flagship of the chain, opened 1945 at #3, expanded 1955 to #5 - men's, women's and children's clothing and accessories including some sports apparel, cosmetics and fragrances, plus a café and restaurant
 * Plaza de Callao #2. Built 1964-8, architects Antonio Perpiñá Sebriá(es) and Luis Iglesias on site of Hotel Florida as the flagship of Galerías Preciados which moved from adjacent Preciados #28, now Fnac. 9 stories - home and other non-apparel departments including the Gourmet Experience food hall on floor 9
 * Plaza de la Puerta del Sol #10, 4 stories - sports clothing and accessories, sporting goods
 * Calle Maestro Victoria #6, 1 story (pet supplies)

Brands

 * El Corte Inglés department stores, Hipercor hypermarkets, Supercor urban supermarkets

Clothing

 * Alía
 * Dustin
 * Easy Wear
 * Emidio Tucci (men's formalwear)
 * Énfasis
 * Formul@ Joven
 * Gloria Ortiz (clothing, accessories)
 * Lloyd's
 * Sfera
 * Yera
 * Unit

Sports apparel

 * Boomerang
 * Runfit (Hipercor only)

Cosmetics

 * Línea Pura
 * Oleada
 * Plantea (skin care)
 * Veckia

Home furnishings (only at El Corte Inglés stores)

 * Privium
 * Urban-Chic
 * Urban-Class
 * Casa Actual

Home appliances and electronics

 * Saivod
 * Ansonic: (only in Hipercor)
 * Digrato (coffee machines/capsules)
 * Inves (software)

Culture

 * Ámbito Cultural: cultural events, expositions, literary prizes, cinematography, musical and painting awards, scholarships.
 * Cineclub: collection of classic cinema.
 * Pitiflú: children's entertainment, including storytelling, magic shows, workshops, puppet shows,children's theater and circus events.
 * Rubiños 1860: bookstore.

Food

 * Aliada: generic brand
 * Special Line: diet foods

Telecom

 * Sweno
 * Telecor

Cryptocurrency

 * Bitcor

Private security

 * Sicor

Other

 * La Tienda en Casa: telesales via television and internet
 * Oralli: travel accessories
 * Doblecero: loyalty card
 * Primeriti: private online sales club

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the picture is of a dude in super junior-GET RID OF IT —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.245.25.210 (talk) 04:21, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:05, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Donghae City → — Donghae City should be changed to Donghae because it is originally called Donghae, thus making it the primary topic for Donghae (disambiguation). Relisted.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 01:26, 15 June 2010 (UTC)  EunSoo (talk) 12:43, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Comment most of us do not have enough knowledge of Korean affairs to judge the relative importance of the city (which does not seem particularly large as Korean cities go) and the singer. Can anyone shed any light on this? PatGallacher (talk) 23:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 13:33, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Donghae City → Donghae, Gangwon – Not sure about protocol for this or what it should be titled. There's not many Korean city articles with "City" in the title like this. I know of Sejong City and Jeju City, but those are the WP:COMMONNAMEs in English of those places I think. Other places like Gumi, North Gyeongsang instead use the province in the name, but could that be for a name collision reason? For this article, the use of "city" seems to be for disambiguation reasons, so perhaps "Donghae (city)"? toobigtokale (talk) 11:30, 29 December 2023 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support WP:NCKO tells us that a "Special city", "Metropolitan city", or "Special self-governing city" is disambiguated as Foo City, whereas other cities are disambiguated as Foo, Provincename. 162 etc. (talk) 17:59, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Economy of South Korea

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Lead sentence
What does this sentence actually mean?

Moreover, the dominance of chaebols, which has also been seen by many South Koreans as highly corrupt and influential in the political system, is unlikely to last and engenders risk of slowing down the transformation of the South Korean economy for the benefit of future generations. From what I gather, it's saying:

The reduction of of corrupt chaebol influence creates a dangerous risk that will slow the economy, which will benefit future generations.

I have glanced through the three PDF sources (by ctrl-f chaebol) and all three claims the chaebols remains a very significant factor in the South Korea economy, with the government seeking to rein them in but allowing them to operate within limits.

The only statement remotely close to "unlikely to last" is about Park's campaigning to reduce reliance on them during an election, which was also not successful. (BTI 2016 South Korea Country Report, pg 2-3) I cannot find a reference that would make sense of "engenders risk of slowing down the transformation of the South Korean economy for the benefit of future generations". Seloloving (talk) 02:12, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Question about PPP
So it says that the GDP per capita rank is 24th, and the nominal is 26th. However, this seems inaccurate as South Korea's GDP per capita PPP on this page doesn't match with what says on the list of countries by GDP PPP per capita list. Jishiboka1 (talk) 04:13, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Is it true that Bloomberg ranked South Korea as the 47th likely country to suffer an economic default?
I can’t post an article because I’m on a phone, but basically what happened was that Bloomberg posted an article that showed some sort of table that has been interpreted as the table of 50 countries that are most likely to suffer an economic default. On there, El Salvador was ranked at No. 1 while South Korea was ranked at 47.

Is this actually true? Or is there some sort of misunderstanding going on here? 117.111.22.168 (talk) 01:21, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

"Korea discount" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Korea discount and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 14 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. signed,Rosguill talk 17:04, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

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Gerontion

"Gerontion" is a poem by T. S. Eliot that was first published in 1920 in Ara Vos Prec (his volume of collected poems published in London) and Poems (an almost identical collection published simultaneously in New York). The title is Greek for "little old man," and the poem is an interior monologue relating the opinions and impressions of an elderly man, which describes Europe after World War I through the eyes of a man who has lived most of his life in the 19th century. Two years after it was published, Eliot considered including the poem as a preface to The Waste Land, but was talked out of this by Ezra Pound. Along with "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" and The Waste Land, and other works published by Eliot in the early part of his career, '"Gerontion" discusses themes of religion, sexuality, and other general topics of modernist poetry.

History
"Gerontion" is one of the handful of poems that Eliot composed between the end of World War I in 1918 and his work on The Waste Land in 1921. During that time, Eliot was working at Lloyds Bank and editing The Egoist, devoting most of his literary energy to writing review articles for periodicals. When he published the two collections in February, 1920 Ara Vos Prec, "Gerontion" was almost the only poem he had never offered to the public before and was placed first in both volumes.

Two earlier versions of the poem can be found, the original typescript of the poem as well as that version with comments by Ezra Pound. In the typescript, the name of the poem is "Gerousia", referring to the name of the Council of the Elders at Sparta. Pound, who was living in London in 1919, was helping Eliot revise the poem (encouraging him to delete roughly one third of the text). When Eliot proposed publishing Gerontion as the opening part of The Waste Land, Pound discouraged him: "I do not advise printing Gerontion as preface. One don't miss it at all as the thing now stands. To be more lucid still, let me say that I advise you NOT to print Gerontion as prelude." The lines were never added to the text and remained an individual poem.

The poem
"Gerontion" opens with an epigraph (from Shakespeare's play Measure for Measure) which states:
 * Thou hast nor youth nor age
 * But as it were an after dinner sleep
 * Dreaming of both.

The poem itself is a dramatic monologue by an elderly character. The use of pronouns such as "us" and "I" regarding the speaker and a member of the opposite sex as well as the general discourse in lines 53–58, in the opinion of Anthony David Moody, presents the same sexual themes that face Prufrock, only this time they meet with the body of an older man. The poem is a monologue in free verse describing his household (a boy reading to him, a woman tending to the kitchen, and the Jewish landlord), and mentioning four others (three with European names and one Japanese) who seem to inhabit the same boarding house. The poem then moves to a more abstract meditation on a kind of spiritual malaise. It concludes with the lines,
 * Tenants of the house
 * Thoughts of a dry brain in a dry season.

which describes the monologue as the production of the "dry brain" of the narrator in the "dry season" of his age. Hugh Kenner suggests that these "tenants" are the voices of The Waste Land and that Eliot is describing the method of the poem's narrative by saying that the speaker uses several different voices to express the impressions of Gerontion. Kenner also suggests that the poem resembles a portion of a Jacobean play as it relates its story in fragmented form and lack of a formal plot.

Themes
Many of the themes within "Gerontion" are present throughout Eliot's later works, especially within The Waste Land. This is especially true of the internal struggle within the poem and the narrator's "waiting for rain". Time is also altered by allowing past and present to be superimposed, and a series of places and characters connected to various cultures are introduced.

Religion
To Donald J. Childs, the poem attempts to present the theme of Christianity from the viewpoint of the modernist individual with various references to the Incarnation and salvation. Childs believes that the poem moves from Christmas Day in line 19 ("in the Juvescence of the year") to the Crucifixion in line 21 as it speaks of "depraved May" and "flowering Judas". He argues that Gerontion contemplates the "paradoxical recovery of freedom through slavery and grace through sin". In line 20, the narrator refers to Jesus as "Christ the tiger", which emphasizes judgment rather than compassion, according to Jewel Spears Brooker in Mystery and Escape: T. S. Eliot and the Dialectic of Modernism.

Peter Sharpe states that "Gerontion" is the poem that shows Eliot "taking on the mantle of his New England Puritan forebears" as Gerontion views his life as the product of sin. Sharpe suggests that Christ appears to Gerontion as a scourge because he understands that he must reject the "dead world" to obtain the salvation offered by Christianity. However, other critics disagree; Russell Kirk believes that the poem is "a description of life devoid of faith, drearily parched, it is cautionary". Marion Montgomery writes that Gerontion's "problem is that he can discover no vital presence in the sinful shell of his body".

In The American T. S. Eliot, Eric Whitman Sigg describes the poem as "a portrait of religious disillusion and despair", and suggests that the poem, like "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock", explores the relationship between action and inaction and their consequences. To this, Alfred Kazin adds that Eliot, especially in "Gerontion" shows that "it is easier for God to devour us than for us to partake of Him in a seemly spirit." To Kazin, it is religion, not faith that Eliot describes through the narrative of "Gerontion", and that religion is important not because of its spirituality but because of "the 'culture' it leaves". Kazin suggests that in lines 33–36 the poem attempts to show how Eliot tells his generation that history is "nothing but human depravity":
 * After such knowledge, what forgiveness? Think now
 * History has many cunning passages, contrived corridors
 * And issues, deceives with whispering ambitions,
 * Guides us by vanities.

Nasreen Ayaz argues that in the fourth movement of the poem, Gerontion shows that his loss of faith in Christianity has resulted in an emotional sterility to go along with the physical. In that stanza he remembers a former mistress and regrets that he no longer has the ability to interact with her on a physical level. The "closer contact" sought by the narrator represents both the physical longing of intimacy as well as the emotional connection he previously had with the female described in the poem.

In lines 17–19, Gerontion alludes to the Pharisees' statement to Christ in Matthew 12:38 when they say "Master, we would see a sign from thee." The narrator of the poem uses these words in a different manner:

 * Signs are taken for wonders. "We would see a sign!"
 * The word within a word, unable to speak a word,
 * Swaddled with darkness.

James Longenbach argues that these lines show that Gerontion is unable to extract the spiritual meaning of the Biblical text because he is unable to understand words in a spiritual sense: "Gerontion's words have no metaphysical buttressing, and his language is studded with puns, words within words. The passage on history is a series of metaphors that dissolve into incomprehensibility".

Sexuality
The narrator of the poem discusses sexuality throughout the text, spending several lines, including lines 57–58 where he says:
 * I have lost my passion: why should I need to keep it
 * Since what is kept must be adulterated?

Ian Duncan MacKillop in F. R. Leavis argues that impotence is a pretext of the poem the same way that embarrassment is the pretext of "Portrait of a Lady". He argues that the narrator writes each line of the poem with an understanding that he is unable to fulfill any of his sexual desires. Gelpi, in A Coherent Splendor: An American Poetic Renaissance also states that the poem is centred upon the theme of impotence, arguing that old age brings the poet "not wisdom but confirmed decrepitude and impotence." He also argues that this theme continues into Eliot's later works Ash Wednesday and Four Quartets. To Sharpe, the inability of the narrator to carry out his sexual desires leads him to "humiliated arrogance" and the "apprehension of Judgement without the knowledge of God's mercy.

In lines 59–60, the speaker explains that he has lost his physical senses due to his age:
 * I have lost my sight, smell, hearing, taste and touch:
 * How should I use them for your closer contact?

Marion Montgomery, writing in T. S. Eliot: an Essay on the American Magus, equates the loss of these senses with the mindset that controls the narrative of the poem. Gerontion has lost the ability to partake in the same sexual endeavours that face Nathaniel Hawthorne's hero in "Young Goodman Brown", yet Montgomery believes he has "turned from innocent hope to pursue significance in the dark forces of the blood". Gerontion's exploration of sinful pleasures takes place in his mind, according to Montgomery, as he can "discover no vital presence in the sinful shell of his body".

Other prominent lines
The phrase "wilderness of mirrors" from the poem has been alluded to by many other writers and artists. It has been used as the titles of plays by Van Badham and Charles Evered, of novels by Max Frisch, and of albums by bands such as Waysted. Rock singer Fish entitled his first solo album Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors.

Some commentators believe that James Jesus Angleton took the phrase from this poem when he described the confusion and strange loops of espionage and counter-intelligence, such as the Double-Cross System, as a "wilderness of mirrors". It thence entered and has since become commonplace in the vocabulary of writers of spy novels or of popular historical writing about espionage. It was the title of an episode of the television series JAG where the protagonist is subjected to disinformation.

Another prominent line in the poem, "In depraved May, dogwood and chestnut, flowering judas/To be eaten, to be divided, to be drunk", is the origin of the title of Katherine Anne Porter's first collection of short stories, Flowering Judas and Other Stories (1930).

Critical response
Eliot scholar Grover Smith said of this poem, "If any notion remained that in the poems of 1919 Eliot was sentimentally contrasting a resplendent past with a dismal present, Gerontion should have helped to dispel it." Bernard Bergonzi writes that "Eliot's most considerable poem of the period between 1915 and 1919 is 'Gerontion'". Kirk believes that "To me, the blank verse of 'Gerontion' is Eliot's most moving poetry, but he never tried this virile mode later."

The literary critic Anthony Julius, who has analysed the presence of anti-Semitic rhetoric in Eliot's work, has cited "Gerontion" as an example of a poem by Eliot that contains anti-Semitic sentiments. In the voice of the poem's elderly narrator, the poem contains the line, "And the Jew squats on the window sill, the owner [of my building] / Spawned in some estaminet of Antwerp."

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Bucks

Bucks may refer to:

Places

 * Buckinghamshire, England, abbreviated Bucks
 * Bucks, Alabama, United States, an unincorporated community
 * Bucks, Illinois, United States, an unincorporated community
 * Bucks, Michigan, an unincorporated community
 * Bucks County, Pennsylvania, United States
 * Bucks Township, Ohio, United States

Sports teams

 * Milwaukee Bucks, a team in the National Basketball Association
 * Laredo Bucks, a team in the Central Hockey League
 * Flint City Bucks, a soccer team playing in the USL Premier Development League
 * Waterloo Bucks, a baseball team playing in the summer-collegiate Northwoods League
 * Ohio State Buckeyes, the intercollegiate sports teams representing the Ohio State University
 * Buckinghamshire County Cricket Club, in the domestic cricket structure of England and Wales

As a nickname

 * John Buckley (Glen Rovers hurler) (born 1958), Irish former hurler
 * Nathan Buckley (born 1972), former Australian rules football player, commentator and coach
 * The Young Bucks, American professional wrestling tag team

Other

 * Buck's night, Australian term for bachelor party
 * Buck's Club, London
 * Buck's of Woodside, famed Silicon Valley restaurant
 * Racist slang for a male Native American
 * Colloquialism for dollars

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SmartMedia

SmartMedia is an obsolete flash memory card standard owned by Toshiba, with capacities ranging from 2 MB to 128 MB. The format mostly saw application in the early 2000s in digital cameras and audio production. SmartMedia memory cards are no longer manufactured.

History
The SmartMedia format was launched in the summer of 1995 to compete with the MiniCard, CompactFlash, and PC Card formats. Although memory cards are nowadays associated with digital cameras, digital audio players, PDAs, and similar devices, SmartMedia was pitched as a successor to the computer floppy disk. Indeed, the format was originally named Solid State Floppy Disk Card (SSFDC), and the physical design resembles a miniature 3.5" floppy disk. The SSFDC forum, a consortium aiming to promote SSFDC as an industry standard, was founded in April 1996, consisting of 37 initial members.

A SmartMedia card consists of a single NAND flash chip embedded in a thin plastic card, although some higher-capacity cards contain multiple linked chips. It was one of the smallest and thinnest of the early memory cards, only 0.76 mm thick, and managed to maintain a favorable cost ratio as compared to the others. SmartMedia cards lack a built-in controller chip, which kept the cost down. This feature later caused problems, since some older devices would require firmware updates to handle larger capacity cards. The lack of built-in controller also made it impossible for the card to perform automatic wear levelling, a process which prevents premature failure of any individual block by ensuring that write operations are evenly distributed across the whole device.

SmartMedia cards can be used in a standard 3.5" floppy drive by means of a FlashPath adapter. This remains one of SmartMedia's most distinctive features. This method was not without its own disadvantages, as it required special drivers offering only very basic file read/write capability (or read-only on Macintosh systems) and was limited to floppy-disk transfer speeds. However, this was not so troublesome in the earlier days of the format, when card sizes were limited (generally 8–16 MB), and USB interfaces were both uncommon and low-speed, with digital cameras connecting by "high-speed" serial links that themselves needed drivers and special transfer programs. The 15 minutes taken to read a nearly full 16 MB card directly to hard disk by Flashpath using the slowest (128 kbit/s) PC floppy controller was still simpler and slightly faster than the quickest reliable (115.2 kbit/s) serial link, without the need for connection, synching and thumbnail previewing, and only beaten by expensive parallel-port-based external card readers that could do the same job in 2 minutes or less (≳1000 kbit/s, comparable to USB 1.0) when connected to a compatible high-speed ECP or EPP port (and ~5 minutes using a basic PPT in failsafe mode).

Typically, SmartMedia cards were used as storage for portable devices, in a form that could easily be removed for access by a PC. For example, pictures taken with a digital camera would be stored as image files on a SmartMedia card. A user could copy the images to a computer with a SmartMedia reader. A reader was typically a small box connected by USB or some other serial connection. Modern computers, both laptops and desktops, occasionally have SmartMedia slots built in. While availability of dedicated SmartMedia readers has dropped off, readers that read multiple card types (such as 4-in-1, 10-in-1) continue to include the format, but even these have decreased in quantity, with many dropping SmartMedia in favour of microSD and/or Memory Stick Micro.

Some digital audio production equipment of the early 2000s relied on SmartMedia storage, such as the Yamaha QY100 Music Sequencer, Roland MC-09 “PhraseLab” synthesizer, the Korg Triton LE workstation, and the Zoom PS-04 "Palmtop Studio".

SmartMedia was popular in digital cameras and reached its peak in about 2001, when it garnered nearly half of the digital-camera market. It was backed especially by Fujifilm and Olympus, though the format started to exhibit problems, as camera resolutions increased. Cards larger than 128 MB were not available, and the compact digital cameras were reaching a size where even SmartMedia cards were too big to be convenient. Eventually Toshiba switched to smaller, higher-capacity Secure Digital cards, and SmartMedia ceased to have major support after Olympus and Fujifilm both switched to xD. It did not find as much support in PDAs, MP3 players, or pagers as some other formats, especially in North America and Europe, though there was still significant use.

SmartMedia cards larger than 128 MB were never released, although there were rumors of a 256 MB card being planned. Technical specifications for the memory size were released, and the 256 MB cards were even advertised in some places. Some older devices cannot support cards larger than 16 or sometimes 32 MB without a firmware update, if at all.

SmartMedia cards came in two formats – 5 V and the more modern 3.3 V (sometimes marked 3 V) –  named for their main supply voltages. The packaging was nearly identical, except for the reversed placement of the notched corner. Many older SmartMedia devices only support 5 V SmartMedia cards, whereas many newer devices only support 3.3 V cards. In order to protect 3.3 V cards from being damaged in 5 V-only devices, the card reader should have some mechanical provision (such as detecting the type of notch) to disallow insertion of an unsupported type of card. Some low-cost 5 V-only card readers do not operate this way, and inserting a 3.3 V card into such a 5 V-only reader will result in permanent damage to the card. Dual-voltage card readers are highly recommended.

There is an oversized xD-to-SmartMedia adapter that allows xD cards to use a SmartMedia port, but it does not fit entirely inside a SmartMedia slot. There is a limit on the capacity of the xD card when used in such adapters (sometimes 128 MB or 256 MB), and the device is subject to the restrictions of the SmartMedia reader as well.

SmartMedia memory cards are no longer manufactured as of around 2006. There have been no new devices designed for SmartMedia for quite a long time now. Smartmedia cards are still frequently available on eBay mostly in used condition, with new cards coming up from time to time.

Copy protection
Many SmartMedia cards include a little-known copy-protection feature known as "ID". This is why many cards are marked with "ID" beside the capacity. This gave every card a unique identification number for use with copy-protection systems. One of the few implementations of this primitive DRM system was by the Korean company Game Park, which used it to protect commercial games for the GP32 handheld gaming system. Samsung's 1999 Yepp Hip-Hop MP3 player also used the feature in order to implement Secure Digital Music Initiative DRM.

Format errors and data loss
Some SmartMedia cards can reportedly become corrupt and unusable if read or written by some (unspecified) card-reading devices. Affected SmartMedia cards will be unusable, and the camera or device will be unable to format, read or write to the card. Data loss and a change in the capacity that the device displays are also signs of a low-level format corruption or a corrupted CIS (Card Information System).

Specifications

 * Mass: 2 g
 * Size: 45.0 × 37.0 × 0.76 mm
 * Capacities: 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128 MB
 * Uses 16-Mbit, 32-Mbit, and 64-Mbit Toshiba TC58-compatible NAND-type flash memory chips
 * Flat electrode terminal with 22 pins — (32M & 64M compatible)
 * 8-bit I/O interface (16-bit in some cases)
 * Data transfer rate: 2 MB/s
 * $1,000,000$ write cycles
 * 10 years storage time without power
 * Metallic write-protect sticker
 * Compatible with PCMCIA with an adapter
 * Compatible with CompactFlash Type II with an adapter
 * Compatible with 3.5" floppy drives using FlashPath adapter

In popular culture
A SmartMedia card, and the FlashPath adapter, is used as a plot device in the film Colombiana (2011), during the opening scenes set in the mid-1990s. A card is swallowed by the 9-year-old orphaned victim to hide it, then regurgitated.

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Talk:Factor

Good job Herbee. Bensaccount 16:43, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)

factor-is a credits will be alltributeed to a user name,among another benifits

Would it be good to mention Statistics and "Factor Analysis" on here??? Ja men du ge dig jag har ätit och nu ska du ha för den jag har jag inte jag är på plats på en

Would it be good to include the number 1 dictionary definition at dictionary.com more clearly???

1. one of the elements contributing to a particular result or situation. Ex. "Poverty is only one of the factors in crime."

Also, the sections are organized poorly. Companies and names of people probably shouldn't be under the first list and so forth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.34.250.250 (talk) 11:35, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I think this page could be improved a lot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.34.250.250 (talk) 11:23, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:Sunjong of Korea

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How did Sunjong "[rule Korea] from 1907 until 1920", if "his rein ended with the Japan-Korea Annexation Treaty of 1910"? 152.91.9.115 00:33, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

As you might guess, pretty much as a puppet. I need a source to confirm, but the Coffee Poisoning Plot, which caught both him and his father, Kojong, is said to have left him mentally disabled as well as infertile. --Dan 17:22, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I heard that somebody put some opium into the coffee that Gojong and Sunjong liked to drink. Gojong didn't eat it because he sensed that someting was wrong with the coffee, but Sunjong did- isn't that why he kind of got disabled? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.55.69.63 (talk) 18:44, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Posthumous Name
I attempted to enter Sunjong's full posthumous name, but as I am illiterate of the of the styles of the Korean language and its alphabet, I want to implore anyone who might help me, especially with the title of "Munun" and "Dongin" and every Hanja chracter of the name. Heran et Sang'gres 13:14, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Done! 121.132.15.69

 * Thanks! KAMSAHAMNIDA!! Heran et Sang'gres 15:17, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

His first consort
Hey...

I know that his first consort was Empress Sunmyeong, from the Yeoheung Mins...

But from what I've recently seen (from the official site of the Myeongseong drama), her posthumous name is listed as 純明孝太后 순명효태후 Sunmyeong hyo-taehu "The Filial Empress Dowager Sunmyeong". Very contrary to the posthumous name here in this article 純明孝皇后 순명효황후 Sunmyeong hyo-hwanghu "The Filial Empress (Consort) Sunmyeong"...

What is correct? Dan, a little help, please?

And might I ask, is there a difference in 太后/태후 and 皇太后/황태후?

Heran et Sang'gres (talk) 09:02, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm clueless. I'll look at Christopher Buyers' site first; he's very thorough. --Dan (talk) 15:18, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's what Christopher says: "(Sunjong married first) at Pyul Palace, Andong, Seoul, 15th March 1882, H.I.M. Empress Min [Sun-myong-hyo Hwang-hu] (b. 20th November 1872; d. at the Kyongun Palace, Seoul, 11th  December 1904, bur. Yu-nung, Kumgok), raised to the rank and title of Crown Princess (Wang-se-ja-bin  Cho-ha) 1882, Great Crown Princess (Wang-se-tae-ja-bin) 1894, Imperial Princess (Hwang-se-ja-bin) with the style of Her Imperial Highness, 12th  October 1897, and to the posthumous rank of Empress as Sun-myong Hwang-hu, daughter of H.E. Count Min T'ae-ho, sometime Governor of Hwanghae and Assistant State Counselor of the Right. " --Dan (talk) 15:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

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WikiProject Time assessment rating comment
Want to help write or improve articles about Time? Join WikiProject Time or visit the Time Portal for a list of articles that need improving. -- Yamara 03:00, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Discussion
Merge with a non-existing article? Kokiri 18:17, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Regnal year exists now, and discusses Asian Era names, but if the merge request is really over three years old, maybe we should just call it MERGE REJECTED and move on? I'm told the two articles should be very different in scope... --Yamara 03:00, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Actually, the current merge request dates back only to May 2007: 10:05, 22 May 2007 Dbachmann (Talk | contribs) (1,243 bytes) -- Yamara 03:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I'm giving the merge request till the end of this month to come up with discussion, or I'll close it unilaterally. Asian era names and Regnal year epochs are similar, but easily deserve their own articles. No Merge. —Yamara ✉  17:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:Later Jin invasion of Joseon

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any thoughts on renaming this First Manchu invasion of Korea? and/or possibly combining the two articles into Manchu invasions of Korea? Appleby 23:37, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm down with it (the move, not the merge). I've always thought that this and Second Manchu expedition to Korea were two of Wikipedia's most oddly-named articles.  "Expedition"?  It certainly wasn't a journey undertaken for "exploration and/or research." -- Visviva 10:51, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I think Jeongmyo horan means "invasion on the year of Jeongmyo". Can anyone confirm this? Deiaemeth 04:25, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

right, the jeongmy is the year, and "ho" means northern barbarians, and "ran" means anarchy, unrest, rebellion, etc. Appleby 07:00, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I see. Thanks! :-] Deiaemeth 08:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Han Bannerman Li Yongfang participated in the invasion
http://books.google.com/books?id=8nXLwSG2O8AC&pg=PA61&dq=Chinese+frontiersman+jurchen&hl=en&sa=X&ei=pTrkUrjqJ6q0sQSE4oHAAw&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Chinese%20frontiersman%20jurchen&f=false

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