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Day of Immunology
Why was the international Day of Immunology deleted as a "nonsense holiday" while the international Day of Dance is allowed? Sad mouse (talk) 15:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC) http://www.dayofimmunology.org
 * The listing for the Day of Immunology did not link to a supporting article. It wasn't nonsense, it was just unsupported - but I can see where the removing editor would call it nonsense since it wasn't mentioned in the linked article.  Also, from the link you provide, there is no indication that this event will occur on the same date each year, which is a requirement for listing.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 16:50, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * They should have assumed good faith, discussed it on this page or looked through my history of editing immunology topics without vandalism. It has been on the same day, April 29th, for the past three years, which seems to fit the requirement for listing. I've added it to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immune_system#History_of_immunology rather than create an entire page for it. Sad mouse (talk) 18:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If the observance is not notable enough for its own article, it shouldn't be listed here. If something is not supported, it is removed regardless of good faith.  Have a look at WP:DAYS.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 18:33, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 60-70% of global deaths are caused by immune system failure (Cause_of_death), yet you have somehow decided that the Day of Immunology is not notable enough for its own article? Sad mouse (talk) 22:58, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It does not matter what I think. No article exists on this subject.  If no article exists on this subject, it cannot be notable enough to be included.  The minimum criteria for inclusion is that the observance be the subject of an article.  That is the only method we have to make sure that everyone's pet holiday is not cluttering up the lists.  Doesn't it seem reasonable that we have some minimum standards for inclusion?  I encourage you to write an article on the subject.  If the article survives as notable, then the observance can be added here.  Sounds fair to me and has nothing to do with my opinion of the observance.  -- Mufka (u) (t)

I agree with the OP here. International Dance Day should also be removed. it is not a governmental thing. 2607:FEA8:D5DF:1AF0:89DA:FC2A:283A:498A (talk) 15:06, 29 April 2021 (UTC) — 2607:FEA8:D5DF:1AF0:89DA:FC2A:283A:498A (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

We could extend the list of mountains that Charles Darwin DID NOT CLIMB on this day
For several years, this item ...

 * 1834 – Charles Darwin during the second survey voyage of HMS Beagle, ascended Bell Mountain (Cerro La Campana) on 17 August 1834, his visit being commemorated by a memorial plaque.

... has been included in the On This Day page for 29 April. Yet it appears to describe an event that took place over 100 days later in the calendar year. The original editor had dutifully provided their source, so a quick verification check seemed in order.

 * 1) If the source states that Darwin climbed Bell Mountain on 29 April 1834, then change the date in the item's text from August to April.
 * 2) If the source states that Darwin climbed Bell Mountain on 17 August 1834, then move this item in its entirety to the On This Day page for 17 August.

This is what the source actually stated:

(and furthermore, he did it somewhere else entirely)''
 * 1) ''Darwin did something else entirely on 29 April 1834

The earth-shattering monumental something-else event turned out to be this:

 * On 29 April 1834, Charles Darwin's expedition sees the top of the Andes Mountains from Patagonia

Identifying an uphill horizon as the top of anything at all is inherently problematic in my experience, even when it's just a few hundred metres away. Furthermore, this wasn't something the man himself had necessarily done on his own (or even at all). It was the expedition's collective eye that had "seen the top". That must have been merely a subjective opinion at the time. Even in hindsight, it is not sufficiently noteworthy to be included On this Day, in my opinion.

So after that dramatic build-up, I ended up just deleting the item.

By the way, the original editor did not make the mistake of mixing up those two dates. The website https://www.onthisday.com/ did that all by itself. His only mistake was trusting that source.

ChrisJBenson (talk) 07:33, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

1975 – Vietnam War: Operation Frequent Wind: The U.S. begins to evacuate U.S. citizens from Saigon before an expected North Vietnamese takeover. U.S. involvement in the war comes to an end.
How in the hell can you end involvement in a war that you are not even a participant in? The U.S. departed in 1973. The only military still in South Vietnam were the Marines at the Embassy. Congress had cut off all funding for bombing missions to support the South Vietnamese government in 1974. U.S. forces took no action when the North invaded the South. The only thing they did was to evacuate people from the country as the South Vietnamese government collapsed and was unable to stop the advance of the North Vietnamese Army. So again, how can involvement in a war end in which you are not even a participant? Logically and factually it as a bogus conclusion and should not be repeated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:A9B0:527F:E0FD:799B:E9F2:8951 (talk) 06:20, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

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Floristry

Floristry is the production, commerce, and trade in flowers. It encompasses flower care and handling, floral design and arrangement, merchandising, production, display and flower delivery. Wholesale florists sell bulk flowers and related supplies to professionals in the trade. Retail florists offer fresh flowers and related products and services to consumers. The first flower shop in the United States opened prior to 1851.

Floristry concerns the cultivation of flowers as well as their arrangement and sale. Much of the raw material supplied for the floristry trade comes from the cut flowers industry. Florist shops, along with online stores, are the main flower-only outlets, but supermarkets, garden supply stores, and filling stations also sell flowers.

Floral design or floral arts is the art of creating flower arrangements in vases, bowls, baskets, or other containers, or making bouquets and compositions from cut flowers, foliages, herbs, ornamental grasses, and other plant materials. Often the terms "floral design" and "floristry" are considered synonymous. Florists are people who work with flowers and plants, generally at the retail level. Floristry differs from floristics, the study of distribution and relationships of plant species over geographic areas. Floristry also differs from horticulture, which more broadly relates to the cultivation of flowers and plants so they will remain fresh as long as possible, and would be desirable for purchase, which also involves knowledge of customers' requirements and expectations. The ability to create a variety of floral designs such as wreaths, bouquets, corsages, boutonnières/'buttonholes', permanent arrangements, and other more complicated arrangements are also important.

Education, both formal and informal, is another significant segment of the floristry industry. Established floristry designers and artists impart their craft to students interested in floral design as hobby or career. Courses are generally available through community colleges, private post-secondary vocational schools, and professional florist trade associations.

In the Netherlands, the first horticultural college was founded in 1896 in Naaldwijk; the second horticultural college was founded in 1897 in Aalsmeer. In 1926, the first national professional qualification examinations in floristry were held in the Netherlands. The horticultural college in Aalsmeer celebrated its 75th anniversary in 1972 and in 1997 its 100th anniversary. Since 1926 is the horticultural college in Aalsmeer was called the Rijks Middelbare Tuinbouw School (RTMS). The first professional floristry education started at the RMTS in 1968. The first professor in floristry at the horticultural college in Aalsmeer was Mr. Theo Boerma. In 1972 Theo Boerma started teaching professional evening courses for the floristry diploma: vakdiploma Bloemist-Winkelier. In 1980 Theo Boerma and his wife José Boerma founded the first privately owned floristry school; Boerma Instituut International Floral Design School in Aalsmeer. The floristry diploma was recognized by the Dutch government until 1996. When the borders of Europe opened, the diploma was no longer needed but professional training for Dutch and international students is still organised by the Boerma Instituut.

The floristry business has a significant market in the corporate and social event world, as flowers play a large part in the decor of special events and meetings. Centerpieces, entryways, reception tables, bridal bouquets, wedding chuppahs, and stage sets are only a few examples of how flowers are used in the business and social event settings. Flowers are also traditionally used in ecclesiastical settings and their arrangement is often done by skilled church volunteers.

Styles
Many nations have their own style of floral arranging. This is dependent on what flower varieties are readily available, and the culture of the nation.

Ikebana

Today, florists in Japan also sell pre-arranged or done-while-you-wait ikebana. Ikebana is a style of floral design that originated in Japan. Best known for its simplicity of line and form, ikebana is a design style primarily practiced for personal enjoyment. It has three parts of alignment: heaven, man, and earth.

English Garden
English Garden style is traditionally an English form of floral design. Stems are placed in a radial fashion and feature abundant use of seasonal flowers and foliages. These designs are often done as low, tufted mounds, or taller vase arrangements that are all-sided (360°), and incorporate garden flowers like roses, gardenia, camellia, delphinium and peonies. The flowers are usually arranged with minimal space between the blooms and foliage is used to accent the flowers as these are the main feature.

Modern/European Style
Modern/European Style floristry involves contemporary, linear designs that highlight unique forms of both individual floral materials and of the designs themselves. Arrangements generally feature negative space and incorporate asymmetric placement of materials. The style stands in direct contrast to traditional radial arrangements such as English Garden. Modern designs are identified by their play on the space used between each bloom, which is often dramatic, and the play on the use of color and different textures, which can be quite experimental.

Modern/European Style designs often incorporate unique, exotic or tropical flowers such as bird of paradise, orchids, Anthurium, and Protea of the Caribbean and other exotic locals, but may also employ more common blossoms, such as Roses, Gerberas and lilies.

Contemporary/Dutch Style
Contemporary/Dutch Style designs also involve contemporary and linear designs. The Dutch designs use a lot of different kinds of greens are used in a natural way. The "Dutch Garden" style arrangement—started in the early 1980s—is a very good example of a Dutch style arrangement. Stones, bark and mosses are used in these designs.

Australian Style
Australian floral style is a harmonious blend of nature's raw beauty and artistic expression. Drawing inspiration from the country's diverse landscapes and native flora, this style encapsulates the essence of the land Down Under. With a focus on native flowers like banksias, eucalyptus, and Waratahs, Australian floral arrangements exude a distinctive rustic charm. The style often showcases a fusion of textures, colours, and shapes, mirroring the dynamic contrasts found in the Australian environment. Whether it's a coastal-inspired arrangement echoing the tranquil shores or a bold creation capturing the vibrant hues of the outback, Australian floral style is a unique and captivating representation of the country's natural riches.

Significance of particular flowers
Typically, a florist will organize flowers by season and holiday. Flowers have various different meanings in different cultures. The holidays and events for which flowers are used vary. Poppies are used to remember fallen soldiers only in Great Britain and the Commonwealth countries. People often prefer flowers that are associated with their ethnic group or country and the cultural meaning of the flower color strongly affects their choice and use. Colors convey different meanings to different groups so that, for example, various colors may be associated with luck or death or love. A flower such as a red rose might communicate love in some cultures, whereas in others, it might be considered indecent or simply puzzling. The vastly divergent attitudes to the color white can also lead to miscommunication and sometimes give offense. White, for example, represents death in many Asian cultures, whereas white is usually a symbol of purity and innocence in countries with a European heritage. Early Victorians, among others, developed an entire, comprehensive language of flowers sometimes referenced in the floral industry today.

Role in personal relationships
Due to the rich and nuanced significance of different flowers and the myriad design possibilities using floral materials, it is hardly surprising that floral arrangements play a number of roles in personal relationships. They're sent to express love, celebrate special occasions, offer condolences, and more.

During the COVID-19 pandemic of 2020-2021, floristry became an even more important means of communicating with loved ones from a distance. As The New York Times noted, "in lieu of saying it in person, we're all saying it with flowers." This has led to an increase in profit for the American floral industry; over 80% of respondents to a survey conducted by the Society of American Florists said their holiday sales had increased in 2020 compared with 2019.

Fresh flower sources
There are usually three major sources of fresh flowers for retail florists: local growers, local wholesalers and flower auctions. The majority of these are supplied by specialist horticultural and cut flower suppliers.

Internationally there are hundreds of wholesale flower markets and auctions, the largest of which is located in Aalsmeer, the Netherlands: the Bloemenveiling Aalsmeer. Other major markets include the fledgling Dubai Flower Centre and the Ota Flower Market in Tokyo, Japan.

Within North America, Miami is considered to be the main distribution point for imported fresh flowers. Many local wholesalers purchase fresh flower stock from importers in Miami to resell to local florists in their areas. Wholesale flower districts are present in many North American cities such as New York, Boston, and Los Angeles, San Francisco and Carlsbad, California. Flower auctions are run using the Dutch clock system and are mainly located in Canada: Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver.

Floristry shops
In the Netherlands gardeners started to sell flower arrangements from around 1850. In 1851 Butz Flowers opened its doors in New Castle, Pennsylvania, and is still operating today as one of the oldest floristry shops in the United States. Soon after, around 1900, the first flower shops started to open in The Netherlands. At that time the flower shops also had small greenhouses from which they sold their flowers.

Generally, a florist's shop will contain a large array of flowers, sometimes displayed on the street, or will have a large plate glass window to display the flowers. To keep them fresh, the flowers will be refrigerated and kept in water, generally in glass or plastic vases or other containers. Most shops have a refrigerator/chiller cabinet/cooler near the front of the shop/store with large glass doors so that customers can easily view the contents. Some shops also have another cooler out of the customers' view where they keep extra stock and arrangements for customers' orders. Most stores have a separate work room in which the design florist or designers can work on orders with more privacy.

The flowers sold in florist shops typically represent the varieties abundantly available in the season but also include blossoms flown in from around the world. Basic varieties in temperate latitudes include roses, tulips, irises, orchids and lilies. Fashion sometimes plays a role in floristry; what is considered the flower that everyone needs to have today can change very quickly. Some shops also stock gift baskets, fruits, and chocolates as well as flowers, whereas some shops will purchase these things only when needed for an order. Floral business is seasonal and is heavily influenced by the following holidays and events: Christmas, Valentine's Day, Administrative Professionals' Day, Mothers' Day, All Souls Day, Advent, Easter, weddings and funerals. These occasions make up the largest part of the business, with the sale of house plants and home decor being a smaller, but more constant, part. Flowers for personal enjoyment as well as those selected to celebrate birthdays, anniversaries, thank-yous and get well wishes are also a significant portion of a florist's business.

Supermarket flowers

Cut flowers are widely sold in supermarkets and petrol stations. These outlets offer a limited selection, usually in the form of mixed bouquets and roses by the dozen. Flowers purchased at these outlets are generally less expensive than the flowers purchased at a florist shop. Professional florists may offer a greater selection, higher flower quality, or more skillfully arranged flowers.

Technology
In the United States, the number of florists has dropped since a peak of over 27,000 in 1992 to fewer than 20,000 in 2007. The World Wide Web has contributed to this decline by making alternatives more accessible.

Floral wire services play an intermediary by gathering orders to be fulfilled by local florists. Floral wire services take a percentage of customers order value for orders provided through their websites and additional fees for the transmission of orders to local florists.

Few companies ship flowers direct to the consumer. ProFlowers, Interflora, Teleflora, FTD typically function as order gatherers and will work with local florists to have the order delivered.

Floral foam is a foam used by florists to fixate flower stems for storage and delivery. It usually consists of phenol-formaldehyde plastic. Due to an additional treatment with detergents, the substance can soak up water and increase the longevity of arranged flowers. Floral foam is non-biodegradable, non-recyclable and toxic for both humans and animals.

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List of locomotives

This is a list of locomotives including notable locomotives that are preserved in museums or in heritage railways. For a list of locomotive types or models, please see List of locomotive classes.

A list of locomotive classes that have a corresponding Wikipedia article. A locomotive or engine is a rail transport vehicle that provides the motive power for a train. If a locomotive is capable of carrying a payload, it is usually referred to as a multiple unit, motor coach, railcar or power car; the use of these self-propelled vehicles is increasingly common for passenger trains, but rare for freight (see CargoSprinter).

Following is a mix of individual locomotives and of locomotive classes or models, organized by company.

For a list of preserved locomotives, such as those in museums, see List of preserved locomotives in the United States and List of preserved locomotives in Canada.

Significant individual locomotives

 * of Australia
 * Locomotive No. 1 (1854), oldest surviving locomotive from New South Wales at Powerhouse Museum (first locomotive of the NSW Government Railways).
 * QR A10 Neilson class 6 (1865), oldest surviving locomotive & oldest operating steam locomotive from Queensland at Workshops Rail Museum.
 * Ballaarat steam engine (1871), oldest surviving locomotive from Western Australia at Busselton, Western Australia.
 * CR NF class 5 (1877), oldest surviving locomotive & oldest operating steam locomotive from Commonwealth Railways, Northern Territory at Pine Creek railway station.
 * SAR V class 9 (1877), oldest surviving locomotive from South Australia at Naracoorte, South Australia.
 * VR F class 176 (1879), oldest surviving locomotive from Victoria at Newport Railway Museum.
 * NSWGR x10 class 1076 (1885), oldest operating steam locomotive from New South Wales at Goulburn Rail Heritage Centre
 * TGR C class 1 (1885), oldest surviving locomotive from Tasmania at West Coast Heritage Centre.
 * WAGR A class 15 (1886), oldest operating steam locomotive from Western Australia privately owned in Victoria.
 * Decauville 861 (1886), oldest operating steam locomotive from Victoria at Puffing Billy Railway.
 * Fowler 5265 (1886), oldest operating steam locomotive from Tasmania at Don River Railway.
 * SAR Yx class 141 (1892), oldest operating steam locomotive from South Australia at Pichi Richi Railway.
 * VR H class H220 (1941), largest locomotive built in Australia and the largest non-articulated steam locomotive to run on Australian railways
 * NSWGR C38 class 3801 (1943), Australia's most famous locomotive
 * SAR 520 class 520 & 523, (1943/1944) locomotive that a character named Shane, in The Great Race, was based on

 * of the United Kingdom
 * Salamanca (1812), first commercially successful steam locomotive, first to have two cylinders.
 * Puffing Billy (1813-14), oldest surviving locomotive.
 * GWR 3700 Class 3440 City of Truro, a GWR 3700 Class 4-4-0 steam locomotive built in 1903 for the Great Western Railway (GWR) at Swindon Works to a design by George Jackson Churchward. Some believe the locomotive to be the first to attain a speed of 100 mph during a run from Plymouth to London Paddington in 1904.
 * Flying Scotsman (1923), oldest operating steam locomotive.

 * of the United States
 * DeWitt Clinton (1831), influential in demonstrating cost-effectiveness and speed of railways, defeating canals.
 * The General (1855) of the Great Locomotive Chase through Georgia in the American Civil War.

Preserved locomotives
These are historic locomotives preserved in museums, currently or formerly, or in heritage railways, currently or formerly, or otherwise. This is not intended to include deteriorating locomotives that are just still existing somewhere, without being restored or ever open to the public.

in Canada
There are numerous preserved locomotives in Canada.

in China
China has at least six preserved locomotives:
 * Three in the China Railways SN class:
 * China Railways SN No.23,, in the China Railway Museum
 * China Railways SN No.26,, in the Shanghai Railway Museum,
 * China Railways SN No.29,, in the Yunnan Railway Museum.
 * At least three more locomotives at the Yunnan Railway Museum

in India
India has 40 or more preserved locomotives.

 * Fairy Queen (1855), formerly the oldest steam locomotive in regular service, located at National Rail Museum or at Rewari Railway Heritage Museum or put on occasional heritage runs
 * Sir Leslie Wilson (1928), a WCG-1 electric locomotive which belonged to the Great Indian Peninsular Railway (presently Central Railway), a khaki which moaned. At National Rail Museum.
 * Sir Roger Lumley (1930), a WCP-1 electric locomotive, at National Rail Museum
 * Two more locomotives at National Rail Museum.
 * At least two locomotives at Chennai Rail Museum, Chennai
 * Three at Rail Museum, Howrah, Kolkata
 * Nine at Railway Museum, Mysore, Mysore
 * Ten others at Rewari Railway Heritage Museum, National Capital Region
 * Eleven preserved WDM-2 locomotives at scattered other locations.

DHR 778 (1889), built in Glasgow, the only Darjeeling Himalayan Railway locomotive now located outside India, is now preserved in Oxfordshire, England.

in United Kingdom
With some overlap between sublists, preserved locomotives in the UK include:
 * More than 100 preserved British industrial steam locomotives, not including fireless ones
 * About 30 preserved fireless steam locomotives in Britain

Preserved locomotives of heritage railway in England

 * Steam locomotives and diesel locomotives of the Bluebell Railway
 * Steam locomotives, diesel locomotives, and multiple units of the Bodmin and Wenford Railway
 * Great Central Railway locomotives
 * Heritage Shunters Trust
 * Isle of Wight Steam Railway

in United States
There are numerous locomotives preserved in the United States.

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Early discussion
The purpose of this article is to keep track of the current state of Wikipedia locomotive articles and provide a central jumping-off point to go to other locomotive lists. —Morven 23:34, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
 * As all of the information on this article is now available at Category:Locomotives, has this article's purpose become moot? There are a lot more locomotive articles now than are listed in this article. slambo 02:18, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Yes, I see no need for this article anymore. It was introduced prior to categories being supported. —Morven 06:55, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)

Note for the deletion discussion for this article see Talk:List of locomotives/delete -- Graham ☺ | Talk 16:34, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Okay, since the consensus was no consensus, what is the next evolutionary step for this article? Do we add in links to all of the other locomotive articles that are already online, or do we completely refactor the list? Does this list now become a superset of all of the other "List of ... locomotives" articles or do we make this a list of links to the various "List of ..." articles plus a list of otherwise unclassified locomotives? Do we concentrate this list on locomotive types or specific locomotives?

I would argue against making this list a list of all specific locomotives because such a list would be enormous when we look at named steam engines, for example. I've got a very long list at home that I've compiled of named steam locomotives that have operated on North American railroads. It is by no means complete. I can upload a sample of about a page worth of data to one of my talk pages, but just looking at North America, the list is quite extensive. UK railroads kept using locomotive names through dieselization and many diesel locomotives are also named, so such a list could potentially increase in length exponentially.

Anyway, just some thoughts... slambo 16:36, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)

neat pic - PD, too
I don't know my way around WikiProjext Trains well enough to know if there might bev an article on CNR locos, but this I found while looking for an image to illustrate Siska, British Columbia; eventually t here will be Siska CNR Bridge and Siska DCPR Bridge but for now that town is the CNR adn CPR cats. The picture I've linked has other applications re the history of New Westminster; I think that's a statioon there but if so there's not one there now (highway bridge abutment right there....); but it's a neat shot of the locomotive; ifanyone wants to use it click through to the main image, crop it of the white frame and logo and use PD-Canada.Skookum1 (talk) 02:28, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Multiple units and railcars
Should this list and its sublists try to include, or try to exclude, multiple units and railcars? I tend to think it should exclude them.--Doncram (talk) 19:12, 24 June 2022 (UTC) Shoulld

"preserved"
For defining sublists of preserved locomotives, what is the meaning of "preserved"? Can it include locomotives in use in heritage railways? Some heritage railways have a mix of locomotives, some listed on a heritage register like the US NRHP, and many not. How old does one have to be? The general guidelines for NRHP listing of buildings and all orher things is that they should be at least 50 years old.

List of British Rail Class 47 locomotives has color coding that classifies all into four types: in service, stored, scrapped, preserved. As if "preserved" means on static display, like at a museum. What about a restored, historic locomotive that us operated on a short tourist line? --Doncram (talk) 20:10, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

There is this archived discussion from 2009 at WikiProject Trains on "A definition for preserved"]. --Doncram (talk) 20:18, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Locomotive classes and models
Should the list be pared down to cover individual locomotives, and not locomotive classes? I tend to think so, although items that are locomotive classes could be moved to a new List of locomotive classes. There is weirdness in the related categories, e.g. Category:Individual locomotives of the United States includes Pennsylvania Railroad class FF1 which is a class and not an individual locomotive. In the process of developing the lists, the categories should be cleaned up too. --Doncram (talk) 20:15, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Also it has been noted by Mangoe in the ongoing AFD that locomotive classes are not necessarily the same as locomotive models, so if List of locomotives is restricted to individual locomotives, then should it be List of locomotive classes and models split out, or what? What is the distinction between classes and models, and is it really important? --Doncram (talk) 15:04, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Classes are as a rule specific to individual railroads and most often (but not always) signify locomotives built for the railroad to a single design. At least in the US it's a thing of the steam and early diesel era, but these days the models of locomotive from each builder are how things get described. There were frequently enough single engine classes, typically experiments like that FF1. Mangoe (talk) 04:19, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Splitting proposal
I still believe that this article should be deleted (it has shown little signs of improvement since the AFD), but if it is to kept it must be split. Trying to cover both locomotive classes and individual locomotives of encyclopedic merit is a fool's errand. Eldomtom2 (talk) 20:13, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I think it generally does make sense to distinguish between classes and individual locomotives. But ultimately, the "list of locomotives" should become a "list of lists" broken down by region, country, or manufacturer. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 17:22, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Agree with . A list/category wizard - which I am not - could do this in a few hours/days I reckon!
 * I agree there should be three pages - a List of locomotive classes, a list of individual locomotives (which could be at this title) and an index at Lists of locomotives covering the many lists we have (e.g. Steam locomotives of British Railways, List of Prussian locomotives and railbuses, etc. Category:Railway locomotive-related lists is only a subset) not just the two discussed here. If this title is used for the individual locomotives then it should have a hatnote to both other pages, if it isn't it should redirect to the index. Thryduulf (talk) 21:13, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with . --ThylacineHunter  (talk) 05:28, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Per Thryduulf, with the comment that the list of individual locomotives be restricted to those which have a stand alone Wikipedia article. Mjroots (talk) 19:26, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * That was my intent; I was thinking of articles such as List of individual dogs.--Eldomtom2 (talk) 21:15, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Agree, the split would make both articles more useful and relevant to respective topics. Also agree that list of locomotives should become a list of listsVinay84 (talk) 13:26, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

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Folies Bergère
According to the Wikipedia entry about the Folies Bergère, the place actually opened on the 2nd May, 1869. Is it possibly for someone to double check this, and either remove the entry from here, or correct The Folies Bergère article? Thanks Cuddy2977 (talk) 16:47, 14 April 2020 (UTC) 16:44, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ Toddst1 (talk) 21:11, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

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Start of the Marvel Cinematic Universe
On May 2, 2008, Iron Man was released, creating the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Would this be a notable event to add? --DannyS712 (talk) 23:46, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Seems like movie trivia to me. Toddst1 (talk) 00:47, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I disagree. The MCU is huge, and its foundation is significant. I would argue that it is perhaps more significant than the launch of the Instagram IOS app, which was featured today on the main page under "on this day." Does anyone else have an opinion? --DannyS712 (talk) 23:36, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Per WP:DOYSTYLE "The date pages should be kept clean of trivia such as film history." Clear enough? Toddst1 (talk) 23:43, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

WP:DOYSTYLE is an essay for the Days of the Year Wikiproject. Furthermore, I would argue that this is not merely "trivia." However, on the content guideline page (WP:DOY), the "nutshell" lists "Accomplishments in the arts ...[that] are particularly important." Below, I have included a number of sources that document the importance of the MCU, and of Iron Man, as well as selected quotes from each.

"'It’s Marvel’s universe,' one rival executive told me recently. 'We just live in it.' It is hard to imagine Marvel’s run stretches back only a decade, but it all began on May 2, 2008, when Paramount released Iron Man, launching Marvel as a real studio."

"At first, movie critics and the casual movie audience saw these comic book movies as a positive trend, but nothing more. In 2012, those same people were proven wrong as Marvel officially took over the film industry when the Avengers assembled for the first time on screen."

"Iron Man managed to take a different track, combining visually stimulating action, great character work and set the foundation for a stunningly interconnected world populated by superheroes."

"Starting with 2008's Iron Man, the universe launched with a simple tag scene at the end of the film, showing that Robert Downey Jr.'s Tony Stark was not alone in the hero-verse."

"10 years and 18 movies in, the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) has taken a superhuman grip of both the box office and modern popular culture — and, for now at least, it shows no signs of letting go." Sources:

 * I'm sorry you're so caught up in this trivia (aka "film history") but your wishes don't fit with the guidelines of the wikiproject that governs these DOY pages. I appreciate that you're a big fan, but at the end of the day this info is the textbook definition of WP:FANCRUFT. Toddst1 (talk) 02:52, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

 * Please note the following:

 * 1) WP:FANCRUFT includes a section in the lede, applicable here, that reads "Thus, use of this term may be regarded as pejorative, and when used in discussion about another editor's contributions, it can sometimes be regarded as uncivil." Given that the marvel cinematic universe is not an example of "fancruft," (it has dozens if not hundreds of articles dedicated to it, a wikipedia book about it, numerous categories dedicated to it, and its own wikipedia portal), this use of this accusation, coupled with your edit summary for one of the edits for your above response ("we don't live in that universe", seen here) likely violates No personal attacks.
 * 2) Even if we disagree about whether or not this should be included, and even if I am wrong, I explicitly asked about it here rather than simply adding it to the page, precisely because I wanted to seek consensus about the decision beforehand. Your edit here suggesting that my request to add "iron man" to this page shows that I should not recieve pending-changes rights, despite the fact that, as an autoconfirmed user, I could have just added it myself, likewise runs afoul of Wikipedia:No personal attacks.
 * 3) After you initially opined not to include this, I asked if anyone else agreed. As it stands, the !vote is 1-1, and thus no consensus can be established regarding whether this should be included or not.

Accordingly, I will not be responding to any more edits from you, other than responding to your comment about my request for permissions. I do not want to get into a talk-page war. If anyone else would like to discuss the inclusion or not of this article, please don't let this exchange dissuade you from doing so. --DannyS712 (talk) 03:35, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Just so you know, it's not a vote. The discussion is you opposing both DOYSTYLE and my comments.  Toddst1 (talk) 03:58, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

ETA
I’ve moved the entry about the dissolution of ETA, from 3rd May, TO 2nd May: as this is when the Wikipedia entry on the group says they dissolved [|dissolved].

Cuddy2977 (talk) 14:46, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

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Talk:May 3

Steven Bradley Scott
Lord Scott is not a womanizer. This should be revised. edit

 * Given that you entered this "information" yourself, you should be ashamed. If you continute with this behavior, your IP address will be blocked.  This may cause problems if you have a shared IP address.  In such cases, your systems administrator often gets involved to figure out who you are and put a stop to it.  In the past, people have lost their jobs or faced public humiliation in the media for edits like yours.  Rklawton 16:33, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Mohammed Patala
"1997 – Mohammed Patala, Future doctor to cure cancer and future prime minister of U.k and first asian to be that". Let's not go ahead of ourselves, shall we? This shouldn't be here, probably. 87.208.179.80 (talk) 15:43, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Definitely not appropriate. When you see something that is that very obviously wrong like that you can just take it out. I have removed it. --DanielRigal (talk) 21:16, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Thatcher’s Premiership
I took down the entry on Margaret Thatcher forming her first government: as the Wikipedia article on her says this was on the 4th May.

Cuddy2977 (talk) 14:04, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

ETA
I’ve moved the entry about the dissolution of ETA, from 3rd My, TO 2nd May: as this is when the Wikipedia entry on the group says they dissolved [|dissolved].

Cuddy2977 (talk) 14:43, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Holidays and observances Roodmas Gallican Rite
As there is no 'Gallican rite' any more (it says 'historic') this should be removed. --2607:FEA8:D5DF:F3D9:C87:9B39:6009:E606 (talk) 11:05, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * agreed, should be gone. any other opinions? --2607:FEA8:D5DF:1AF0:89DA:FC2A:283A:498A (talk) 12:50, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

holidays and observances Sun day
the linked article doesn't indicate that this was anything more than one event in 1978. historic maybe but not holidays and observances. --2607:FEA8:D5DF:1AF0:89DA:FC2A:283A:498A (talk) 12:49, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

 * Restored with source "International Sun Day is celebrated on May 3 every year...", "annual holiday", "National Sun Day became an international event in 1994, attracting the attention of 22 countries." Drakcap (talk) 05:47, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

The amazing world of Gumball
The amazing world of Gumball since 3 May 2011 117.7.67.32 (talk) 04:03, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, and? Kiwipete (talk) 09:03, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:May 4

Star Wars
May the Forth be with you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexbuirds (talk • contribs) 16:19, 9 October 2006

Not funny
That's really not funny, don't add it back.Kiwiboy121 16:02, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I concur with Kiwiboy121, Wikipedia is not the place for jokes. Every day dozens or hundreds of people get in long, drawn-out efforts to insert a joke, in the fervant belief that their joke is funny.  Can't Wikipedia make an exception? See this joke is really funny... No.  Please don't put it in again.  --TeaDrinker 07:12, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree - I'm a bit disappointed by the lack of content about "May the Fourth be with you". I searched Wikipedia for an explanation, because I'd seen pictures of people celebrating it in the past, and wanted to explain it to someone who hadn't heard of it. Just because a cultural phenomenon is based on something humorous doesn't make it trivial, or non-noteworthy. If there's a Wikipedia editing guideline that says "nothing funny", I'd like someone to point it out.SeanCollins (talk) 09:13, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not really answering myself. User:Mufka removed the Star Wars Day entry (along with others) on 6th April 2008 stating "nn", which I'm guessing is "not notable". I haven't checked the general "not notable" guidelines for this one, but in WP:DAYS it states "references to support listed entries must be found in linked Wikipedia articles". A reliable reference is provided in the linked article. Perhaps the deletion could be defended on the grounds of "...trivia [...], fabricated holidays and observances", but those definitions are open to interpretation, aren't they? SeanCollins (talk) 23:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

 * This would be considered a fabricated holiday and the entry that was last added did not link to a supporting article that specifically mentioned the observance. If an article is written about this observance, then one could argue that it should be listed (an article about the subject would indicate notability).  WP:DOY expands on criteria for observances.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 01:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I may have edited this article out of step with your edit to the Talk page. Apologies if that's the case. 'Fabricated holiday' is weak justification - they must all have been fabricated once, by their nature. You're right - the reference recounts only the joke, and is not a record of someone actually celebrating the day, although its inclusion in Hansard makes it as 'officially celebrated' as a religious authority declaring a feast day, in my opinion. I've reviewed WP:DOY and while it may not fit the requirements of the first paragraph of that page, I suspect little on Wikipedia does. Perhaps the WP:DOY standard has been set too high? If I could suggest a better set of rules for accepting / rejecting contributions, I would... SeanCollins (talk) 02:42, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

 * In cases like this, I think that a reasonable litmus test is that the observance has to be the subject of an article (its own article). That way we can be sure that the subject is considered notable enough by Wikipedia standards for inclusion.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 03:15, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

 * I think that's not an unreasonable test, though it is a high standard. I would hesitate to create an article about Star Wars Day, based on my current knowledge of it, but I suspect an observer of saints' days might also be reluctant to create a separate article for every one of their annual celebrations. I personally wouldn't miss the inclusion of religious feast days, but I suspect some might. If by 'subject' you meant the subject of the celebration, and not the celebration itself (ie Pancake, as opposed to Pancake Day), then Star Wars Day passes the test, as do the saints. As for notability, isn't the existence of some highly-regarded external record the usual test? Perhaps your definition is recursive! It's a tricky one, the standard for inclusion shouldn't be too low, but not so high as to reject entries that some might find informative. If it wasn't for the Hansard record, I feel I wouldn't have a leg to stand on where notability is concerned... If you felt strongly about deleting it on the basis of no Star Wars Day article, then I'll write one. Apparently The City of Los Angeles officially proclaimed 25 May 2007 as Star Wars Day, but not recurring. I've done a bit more research on this than I ever wanted to, but thinking about the include / remove has been useful. SeanCollins (talk) 04:28, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

 * In the case of religious feasts, the subjects have bio articles that state what the feast day is. It would be redundant to have both a bio article and a feast day article.  Also the feast day is really part of the subject's biography.  In the case of non-religious observances, we need to have some benchmark.  If an observance is widely celebrated, it would have no problem meeting notability requirements and the opposite would also be true.  Notability is the benchmark for most things that happen here.  It is widely accepted as an absolute minimum for inclusion.  Since the date pages don't use references, entries must link to an existing article where the event is mentioned explicitly in the text.  The requirement that observances be the subject of their own articles goes along with births and deaths requiring their own articles.  It has been long practiced as a good way to weed out the less notable observances.  You are certainly welcome to create the article, but I would suggest that you wait a day or two after creating it to be sure that the community doesn't delete it before adding the observance back to this article.  This topic has been discussed before and it doesn't stand up well to scrutiny (alas, I cannot put my finger on the previous discussions).  The observance doesn't even seem to be treated seriously on the Wookieepedia.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 04:59, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

 * I might add Star Wars Day when I'm less busy. Thanks for taking the time to discuss. Even in the event I add the article, if the DOY articles are strictly specified as "official recurring events, important historical dates, births and deaths", there would still be no room for the Star Wars Day entry. There is no organisation that lends legitimacy to the use of "May the fourth be with you" as a holiday or day of observance. The reason I added it to "Holidays and Observances" is that it was the least unsuitable place on the page. A page which is, after all, a list of lists. I think there could be room for less formal content about days of the year. The entry for August 8, for example explains that 8 8 sounds like the Chinese word for father, and so lots of people informally celebrate their fathers on that day. An observation very similar to the one we're discussing. Not a cast-in-stone fact, but it does add colour to the article. I think I've described my POV in fine detail now, so I'm signing off - I won't be reverting your removal. SeanCollins (talk) 05:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

 * The discussion here says that "if an article is written about this observance, then one could argue that it should be listed" which it is, but it's still being deleted. So what is the new litmus test in order for it to be added and stay there? 21:00, 4 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.242.197.44  (talk) 21:00 & :01, 4 May 2008

 * You've seen my POV, should be on the page 'to add colour', shouldn't be on the page because it's not an observance. If WP:DOY allowed trivia, then the inclusion of the Star Wars Day joke would be good, but these DOY pages would be a mess. If there was a real organisation that was in itself notable, and observed Star Wars Day as a holiday, then it should be on the page. So far as I've looked into it, there isn't. If the joke could go anywhere on this page, it might just cheer up the tedium that is this page's intro. Hmmm, I see that Pi Day is included as an observance on March 14, maybe the anti-vandal squad is less pedantic there. Or maybe it's because there is a record of people actually celebrating it. SeanCollins (talk) 23:25, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

 * my take funny/not funny doesn't matter (I think it's funny, but that doesn't mean a hill of beans here). Reliable?  Yes.  Notable?  Yes.  Violate copyright?  No.  Hey, it's in.--Paul McDonald (talk) 12:21, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

 * This last comment, from 2009, seems to support the inclusion...so where is it? There is an article on it: Star Wars Day
 * WesT (talk) 05:31, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

More Star Wars
Even though Wikipedia is not the place for jokes, it is a place for people to get information. Instead of just putting 'May the Forth be with you' on the page as a joke, someone should add a bit of information on how Star Wars fans use this phrase on May 4, (maybe in the introduction or at the end) because it is relevent information having to do wtih this particular day of the year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.212.121.65 (talk) 14:46, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Althings Considered (Excuse me, i'm not that much of a punster, but the typo made me do it!) reported about 6 hours ago that the had NYT found "May 4, 2009" was their most popular search on a recent day, and that NYT or ATC believes it reflected attempts to learn of actual events motivated by the phrase. I think it's achieved established knowledge (hmm, Scientific citation guidelines?); i'm undecided abt WP:N. --Jerzy•t 04:48, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

And more star wars
I feel that since it is not an official or recognized holiday except by those who love it, and the fact there is no real purpose other than for the previously stated reasons, it should not be added as a holiday. It is declared by many sources it is an unofficial holiday. An unofficial payday is not a payday. An unofficial holiday is not a holiday. Kevintampa5 (talk) 08:52, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

 * I've added a link to Star Wars Day in the Holidays and observances section. It is still an "unofficial" holiday but other notable unofficial ones such as April Fools Day, International Talk Like a Pirate Day, and even Mole Day have links on their respective dates. 93 21:00, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Independence
I removed the following listing because it is not true; South Carolina did it first on March 15, 1776, nearly two months before Rhode Island. Look it up. The Shadow 2-28-08. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.199.250.34 (talk) 16:32, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 1776 - Rhode Island becomes the first American colony to renounce allegiance to King George III.

Correct birthdate for Giovannino Guareschi? Conflicting entries
According to this page he was born on 4th May 1908 - but according to his own page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovannino_Guareschi it happened three days earlier on the 1st. Presumely even he couldn't have achieved both, but I can't say which is actually correct. Jonathanj1972 (talk) 01:31, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Removed. Support must come from the linked article.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 02:33, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Holidays & observances
I removed the reference to "Saint Ethelred". It redirected to Saint Ailred, whose feast is on 3 March. The only other St Ethelred I could find was a murdered seventh century Kentish prince, whose feast day was celebrated (with his brother Ethelbert) in some calendars on 17 October. Source for this: Donald Attwater, A Dictionary of Saints (Penguin, 1965), p. 118. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Advaughan (talk • contribs) 11:16, 4 May 2009

Lovebug virus?
I thought this sounded like an event worth adding maybe. What do you think? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10095957.stm --NM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.156.67.35 (talk) 23:30, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Redirect restored to notable births section
A while ago i removed Laci Peterson from the notable births section, yet I now this has been reverted without any explanation. This article's guidelines quite clearly states there should be no redirects for the notable births and deaths section, and while the murder of Peterson is notable as an event, she does not have her own bio and her birth is clearly not notable (and most certainly not on a page such as this one). To include Peterson is a very clear breach of the "no redirects" guideline and the lack of any reasoning for the revert doesn't exactly help matters either. Given all the facts above I obviously plan to remove this material once again, though I'm happy to first give editors a chance to at least explain the reasoning that should have been in the edit summary.--Shakehandsman (talk) 00:59, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Doesn't belong per WP:DOY. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 03:49, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Star Wars: Part 2
I've added a link to Star Wars Day in the Holidays and observances section. It is still an "unofficial" holiday, though, but other unofficial ones such as April Fools Day, International Talk Like a Pirate Day, and even Mole Day have links on their respective dates. 93 13:13, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

"World Give Day"
This looks like an advertisement for a commercial operation. Suggest it be removed from here.--Richardson mcphillips (talk) 13:22, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

 * agree 2607:FEA8:FF01:4F8A:C03C:951B:BCB3:AA67 (talk) 00:29, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

International Firefighters Day
seems to be a private initiative. As noble as it is, should it be here? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 13:25, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Dave Brubeck Day
doesn't seem to be a real thing. It would have to take off to be in the class of "Star Wars Day", which is already liminal. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 13:27, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Kangxi Emperor
I’ve removed the Kangxi Emperor from the list of births: as the articles list his first as the 5th May. 17:14, 17 April 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cuddy2977 (talk • contribs)

Coal Miners' Day (India)
The article on Coal Miners states that it is celebrated in India on May 4, without a reference. No article about it. Is this satisfactory for this page? --2607:FEA8:FF01:4F8A:C03C:951B:BCB3:AA67 (talk) 00:24, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

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Babe Ruth
The date that Babe Ruth hit his first homerun is not a globally notable event and should not be listed on this page. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 00:24, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. Carl.bunderson (talk) 19:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

when i get older i will have sex with 40,000 people —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.170.162.222 (talk) 15:32, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Scrubs
Is the first showing of the last "Scrubs" episode in USA an event of global importance? I suggest removal. --- Dave Of Stoft (talk) 23:29, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

No, not really. -- Abce2 | How  dy!  23:31, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

singing forever young, singing songs beneth that sun.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.170.162.222 (talk) 15:32, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Pim Fortuyn
Text on page shows "2002 – Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn is assassinated by an animal rights activist. "

The assassin has a name and article. Propose changing the text to read "2002 – Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn is assassinated by Volkert van der Graaf."

By doing so, it would match the 'On This Day' summary which states "2002 – Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn was assassinated by Volkert van der Graaf for his controversial statements regarding Muslims."

As it stands, it looks silly. 12.69.65.2 (talk) 16:18, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Glaciarium
I’ve move the mention of the Glaciarium [|Glaciarium] FROM 6th May TO 6th June: as that’s the the entry on it, say it opened …

Cuddy2977 (talk) 10:18, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Cleanup of births and deaths
In accordance with the guidelines, I'm continuing to weed the Births and Deaths sections by removing entries for celebrities with 0-4 articles in other languages. Where possible, these have been transferred to the relevant Year in Topic articles. As well as making the lists more manageable, this will help with the globalization effort. Deb (talk) 16:15, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

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Talk:May 7

David Hume 300th Anniversary?
It is 300 years since the birth of David Hume today, why is this not being noted on the front page? He is the most important philosopher to ever write in the English language. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.29.148.181 (talk) 01:40, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Muhammad Usman?
Is the graphic designer a noteworthy person, the link is a mistake to another person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lyuokdea (talk • contribs) 19:02, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Russia?

 * 1951 - The International Olympic Committee gives Russia permission to compete in the 1952 Summer Olympics in Helsinki.

Russia? Not the Soviet Union? Can someone explain what this means? and is it significant? Kingturtle 07:29, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Masturbation Day
Why does masturbation day keep getting yanked? Yes, on the outside, one might consider it controversial, but the fact is, May 7th is Masturbation Day, May is masturbation month, and yes, it is celebrated all over the san francisco bay area and beyond. Is this not a sight to post facts? I don't understand why this is such a fight. Leave it alone.

Good choice of phraseology - "Why does masturbation day keep getting yanked?" ;). If you can give us an external source of information, we will leave it on the page. Fair? Ck l o stsw o rd|queta! 14:40, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Dude, you shouldn't have made that bet. Looks like this will be the 11th, er, year. Rklawton 04:55, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * So is it fair to allow this modification. It's masturbation day TODAY and I am putting it in.
 * That's fine - I wasn't criticising, just asking for citation. Since that's been provided, we're fine for inclusion. Ck l o stsw o rd|queta! 17:21, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Since it's not a national or significant religious holiday, it won't be permitted in this article. The date project page supercedes any talk page discussion here. Rklawton 15:02, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Who says? What standards department regulates what gets celebrated by who and where?  Radio day isn't a day I celebrate.  It's not a national holiday for the US, but noone is deleting it.  A community in America celebrates a day, hell, an entire month.  Who are you to say who recognises this day or not?  If it were not of "questionable subject" then you wouldn't care, but here you are deleting it.  Leave it alone.  It's factual and cited.  What more do you need? Coreyfro

This is abitt off topic, but apparently there is a "Boob-Grab day" I dont know if the people older than me were just kidding to grab hold of each other in public or if it is real or not.Hope. 22:54, 1 July 2006 (UTC)hope.

Shouldn't it just be national holidays that are listed? Is masturbation day celebrated through out the US? Surely only national holidays or very famous days should be listed otherwise there'll be so many on each page! Every town which has some kind of day could have that listed! Subject matter doesn't bother me but I don't think this is a relevant day to list.

 * For what it's worth, the fact that it was created by a business IN the business for the "holiday" should have it "yanked". It's an ad for sex toys. -- Borameer ™ 22:43, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Tim Richmond
I noticed that Tim Richmond's year of death was not listed after his Births entry (May 7, 1955). Hurrmic 00:38, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * He shouldn't be on this article - he was born on June 7. Jim Michael (talk) 04:06, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Consensus for adding "23176 Missacarvell" asteroid discover
Hallo there everyone, requesting comments for adding in the "article events section" section the 23176 Missacarvell asteroid discover on the 7th of May 2000. Thanks.   M  aurice   11:37, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * It doesn't appear to have any particular importance. What would make it different than any of the other thousands of asteroids?  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 13:06, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

DaimlerChrysler
Re: 1998 entry. According to all sources I can find, Mercedes-Benz did not buy Chrysler... its parent company, Daimler-Benz, did - hence the DaimlerChrysler name. The intention was to get Daimler-Benz's luxury division, Mercedes-Benz, to help Chrysler but that didn't work out - leading to the biggest failed merger in corporate history(!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.231.177 (talk) 09:41, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

St Stanislaus
I think that if saints are put in according to the old Roman calendar instead of the current calendar it could get crowded fast. I'm not in favor. But if they are kept, as in this case, a link to Roman Martyrology is not helpful, as there are several different versions. It would need to be linked to the 1960 General Roman Calendar - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Roman_Calendar_of_1960#May --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 15:01, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

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E3
Is Sony's "humiliation" at E3 in 2006 really a necessary addition ? Caciss 06:14, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think both events listed under 2006 are trivial and should be removed. Neither meets the criteria outlined here.  Fabricationary 06:16, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I removed both entries for 2006. Caciss 06:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I will second that, the E3 things need to be fixed again. 67.171.165.203 18:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

New Coke
Removed from article:
 * 1985 - New Coke is released on the 99th anniversary of Coca-Cola.

I could not confirm this and the New Coke article gives an April date. --mav 23:12, 3 May 2004 (UTC)

External link
Why can't this be an external link? [http://www. thisdaythatyear.com/may/people8.htm ThisDayThatYear.com on May 8]? Kingturtle 07:42, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
 * "Be careful when using 'this day in history'-type websites as a reference". RickK 08:06, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

Saints Wiro, Plechelmus and Otger
The link in today's commemorations goes to St Lambert, where these saints are not even mentioned. Alpheus (talk) 10:30, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Removed. Don't be afraid to remove such items.  If you make a mistake, someone will put it back.  Be bold.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 15:18, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

World Red Cross Red Crescent Day
Why is it that World Red Cross Red Crescent Day is mentioned in the selected anniversaries box but isn't mentioned in the main text of the article itself? The Red Cross is mentioned under the birth anniversary of Henry Dunant, but shouldn't there be a separate entry under holidays and observances? --Paul_012 (talk) 06:39, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Julian of Norwich
In May 2008, I   added that this was the feast day of Julian of Norwich in both Anglican and       Lutheran churches, but this has now been removed. Can some please explain why? If you go to the Wikipedia article Julian of Norwich, this is exactly what the article says. The date of  May 13 is her commemoration day in Roman Catholicism; I recently corrected this for May 13. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 18:53, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No, there's no mention of May 8 in that article, not not much mention of May 13. — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 23:10, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

It might not be in the article itself, but it is in a table that appears in the top-right hand corner when you read the article. So, please go to Julian of Norwich and look at the top right-hand corner. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 16:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Gilles Villeneuve
why is it mentioned as an event as well as a death, when senna's may 1st is only in deaths? should there not be a standard form for these? im not sure about all the other deaths, but it needs to match from page to page imo.   chocobogamer      LOOK AT WHAT I DID   23:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

 * Fixed. Except in exceptional circumstances (9/11?), deaths should only be listed in the #Deaths section, not in the #Events section.  Thanks.  00:32, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Births and deaths
In accordance with the guidelines, I'm weeding the Births and Deaths sections by removing entries for celebrities with 0-4 articles in other languages. Where possible, these will be transferred to the relevant Year in Topic articles. As well as making the lists more manageable, this will help with the globalization effort.Deb (talk) 13:09, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

World Fair Trade Day
The World Fair Trade Day is an initiative of the World Fair Trade Organization (WFTO) that takes place on the second Saturday of May each year. https://wfto.com/events/world-fair-trade-day-2018-0

Wdew (talk) 10:23, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Afrikaans
I’ve moved the entry about Afrikaans from the 5th, to the 8th, of May: as this is when the entry says the language got official South African recognition. Cuddy2977 (talk) 15:44, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Mary Magdalene was born on May 8, 2 BC / 8.5.752 AUC
Astronomer Jack Horkheimer serendipitously discovered Mary Magdalene's birthday of May 8, 2 BC / 8.5.752 AUC / 3759 HC.
 * Then it should be no problem to find a reliable source for that....Lectonar (talk) 13:41, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

for Holidays and observances - add Victor Maurus
The article on Victor Maurus mentions today as his feast day - I suggest he be added. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 02:25, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * for another source, he is mentioned in the Roman Martyrology for this day: http://www.boston-catholic-journal.com/roman-martrylogy-in-english/roman-martyrology-may-in-english.htm#May_8th  --2607:FEA8:D5DF:1AF0:AD20:B600:FF9E:4E34 (talk) 15:04, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Holidays and observances Apparition of St Michael
the link goes to the article of St Michael where there is no mention of an apparition on this day. Should be removed. --2607:FEA8:D5DF:F3D9:A4CD:8FEC:A8DA:65F5 (talk) 12:31, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It is there, although under a different section name. I've adjusted the link to point to the correct section. —Bruce1eetalk 12:44, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Phyllida Law
This page tells us Phyllida Law was born on 8th May, 1932.

But her article tells us her birthday was on 6th July.

Can someone double check this, and do the necessary corrections, please? I wouldn’t know where to start!

Cuddy2977 (talk) 17:21, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:May 9

Russian parade??
This section makes no sense: "2015 – Russia stages its biggest ever military parade in Moscow's Red Square to commemorate the 70th anniversary of Victory Day."

It's very local, and hardly significant even for that region. Do we mention biggest ever Austrian military parade? Biggest ever Taiwan military parade? Biggest ever North Korea military parade? I'm sure they have a 'Victory Day' in North Korea too, and certainly they do big parades.

The section seems to be inserted for blatant propaganda of a military celebration in a country that's just earlier used its military to occupy neighbouring state land.

666
Should we mention that the world population reached 6,666,666,666 on May 9, 2008?
 * No, we shouldn't. Cosmic Latte (talk) 13:31, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Not unless something significant happened because of this...which I doubt. Cosmic Latte (talk) 13:35, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It is only an educated estimate. No-one knows the exact number of people in the world, due to the fact that many countries don't register or count births and deaths, and it is very difficult to count people in war zones. Jim Michael (talk) 11:05, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Removal of entries
In accordance with the guidelines, I've started weeding the Births and Deaths sections by removing entries for celebrities with 0-4 articles in other languages. Where possible, these will be transferred to the relevant Year in Topic articles. As well as making the lists more manageable, this will help with the globalization effort.Deb (talk) 07:49, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Mismatch in dates - 1092
This page cites the 9th of May as the consecration date for the Lincoln Cathedral. However, the page that is referenced by the link for the Lincoln Cathedral says that the date of consecration is May 11th. obviously, one of them is wrong.

Information Britain's webpage on the subject states the 9th of May.

Sacred Destinations' page on the subject also states the 9th of May.

I believe the confusion may lie in the fact that Bishop Remigius died two days before the consecration.

I suggest that the reference in the Lincoln Cathedral page be change to the 9th of May. further research may be needed to corroborate this.

MyRandomUserName (talk) 06:28, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I assume it was you that changed the date on the Lincoln Cathedral page to 9th May? It seems reasonable. Deb (talk) 08:50, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Han Yong-un
The link says June:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Yong-un

--JFCochin (talk) 16:39, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Goku day? holidays and observations?
No such thing. 2607:FEA8:D5DF:F3D9:410D:2698:8DF2:962A (talk) 11:28, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I've removed this. If they add it again, they will have to provide a reliable reference. Deb (talk) 12:54, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:May 10

Explanation
I just wanted to explain my recent edit war with myself. I was informed by a collegue of mine that she had put my name into the page, and that it had been promptly deleted. I was looking through the history for IP edits, followed by a reversion. I clicked one such entry, and saw that someone had entered an obviously fictitious birth. I promptly realized I had to delete the vandalism, and did so. Fifteen seconds later, I realized what I'd done. Hope that clears it up. --Milton 04:29, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Problem
What on earth is wrong with this page? The births section refused to appear, certain changes made from yonks ago won't appear either... Any ideas? --User:MellonCollie 19:37, 30 September 2006

Removal of entries
In accordance with the guidelines, I've started weeding the Births and Deaths sections by removing entries for celebrities with 0-4 articles in other languages. Where possible, these have been transferred to the relevant Year in Topic articles. As well as making the lists more manageable, this will help with the globalization effort.Deb (talk) 06:52, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think entries should be added or deleted by any human exercising judgment. There's no such thing as a human exercising judgment without unforgivable bias. Let the computers do their job. If the computers find a person who is the subject of a Wikipedia article who died on a May 10 of any year, let the computer add that name to this list. This isn't an article about May 10th. No good moving the data to the YEAR of death, because the user may not remember which year it was. Nobody's coming here to see what makes May 10 interesting in terms of who died. The way that users use this page is the only thing that they can remember about someone is that their death occurred on May 10th and the decedent was noteworthy enough to have a Wikipedia article. If you don't include ALL such persons, this page doesn't serve its purpose. When you talk about making the lists more "manageable", it's laughable. This isn't reading-material. It's not SUPPOSED to be a manageable read to a human reader. This page exists only to be searched. It's a database, not a narrative, not a story being told about an event. Nobody's writing a book "They All Died May Tenth" and lamenting that they can't find the stellar highlights of those who died on May 10th on this page because they're buried amongst EVERYONE who died May 10th. Think of this page as being like the lists of names maintained by genealogists or the keepers of Medal Of Honor recipients or names of immigrants passing through Ellis Island. Nobody will ever be interested in THE story of ALL such names. They want ONE quantum of data, never the list as a whole. There is no characteristic which unifies people who died on a date (unless it's D-Day or September 11, 2001). Dates of death are mostly random and of no interest of themselves. This is DATA, not an article. You just don't get it.74.64.104.99 (talk) 14:14, 27 October 2019 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson
 * I would, personally, not object if you created categories for "People who died on May 10" and "People who were born on May 10", which would fulfil your purpose without making this article even more difficult to browse than it currently is. You could then "let the computer do its job" and cross-refer to that category and we wouldn't need to include any births and deaths in this article at all. Deb (talk) 19:16, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

first recorded sun spot vs one of the earliest recorded
The link on the word "observed" goes to an article that says "the first precisely dated sunspot observation in China occurred on May 10, 28 BCE." Likewise this talk page is firmer than the article. I suggest the article be changed to correspond with the way it is phrased here on the talk page. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 19:28, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2020
Change the "Mother's Day (Guatemala, and Mexico)" line in the "Holidays and observances" section to "Mother's Day (Guatemala, Mexico and India)". Potential sources for the following changes are:

https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/life-style/mothers-day-2019-date-when-is-mothers-day-in-india-2019-5716402/ https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/parenting/moments/mothers-day-kab-hai-when-is-mothers-day-2019-date-significance-history-and-importance-of-mothers-day/articleshow/69250764.cms

The sources above are also used in another Wikipedia section which states that India's mother day is May 10th: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother%27s_Day#India UbiquitousName (talk) 11:59, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The Indian Express article you provided from 2019 states "This year it will be observed on May 12." GoingBatty (talk) 18:02, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:May 11

Minnesota statehood day 1858
You don't think the Library of Congress is a good source? or a state becoming a state is significant, you better remove all the other statehood days — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.127.17.151 (talk) 13:26, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Had you cited it properly instead of using a bare URL, it would have been clear that it was a Library of Congress site and not one of the sites referred to by the instruction "Do not trust "this year in history" websites for accurate date information" that appears on all date pages. Deb (talk) 13:58, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The url has now been expanded into cite web format. The rule is there because of persistent vandalism with all sorts of rubbish being added to these articles. It applies to all entries including those, like Minnesota statehood, which are unquestionably notable and easily checked for accuracy. No Great Shaker (talk) 14:05, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * But there also has to be a Wikipedia article about it. There does not seem to be a 'holiday or or observance' for this day, just the bare historical fact.  It should be mentioned in 'events' for 1858, but not here. 142.163.194.199 (talk) 11:54, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It's already present in 1858 in the United States, the only such list where it is likely to be of interest to the average reader. Deb (talk) 13:45, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Pruning
I know there’s various shades of pruning going on: in order to keep things in order. Indeed, I’ve asked for clean-up myself. But this On This Day entry does look rather spare! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cuddy2977 (talk • contribs) 12:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * There's about 100 births listed on the page, all referenced.Deb (talk) 14:21, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Add reference
May 11 is mentioned on page 4 of "The Age of Faith" by Will Durant "The New Rome was dedicated as capital of the Eastern Empire on May 11, 330 -- a day that was thereafter annually celebrated with imposing ceremony." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Callahanp (talk • contribs) 13:48, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Page number? Deb (talk) 13:44, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:May 12

international nurses' day
a professional celebration; does not belong here. --209.128.15.129 (talk) 17:51, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Toddst1 (talk) 22:41, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Missing
THE FIBROMYALGIA AND CHRONIC FATIGUE SYNDROM DAY IS MISSING, PLEASE CORRECT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.97.41.133 (talk) 03:12, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think it should be here. Awareness days - no matter how laudable - aren't 'holidays and observances'--209.128.15.129 (talk) 17:49, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Toddst1 (talk) 22:42, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Plz add this celeb!
Hi. Please add Hossein Rezazadeh, Iranian retired weightlifter whose name is written in some Guinness Records.

Thanx. محمد اعمی (talk) 13:31, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Please provide a reference for his date of birth, and this can be done. Kiwipete (talk) 18:11, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Citation verification
Can someone explain why only 42 of the 266 births are cited? I tried adding in Malcolm David Kelley's, per his Wikipedia, but it was instantly removed for not being cited. The discrepancy is a little confusing. 96.245.109.166 (talk) 08:28, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Because there is an ongoing process of removing the uncited births. 10:26, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I re-added the birth with a cited source. The same user reverted saying it was not valid under WP:RSPTWITTER, but the subject posted on their own birthday from their verified Twitter account confirming their birthday. Additionally the same citation was used for MrBeast's birthday on May 7 as an example. 96.245.109.166 (talk) 15:19, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Probably okay in my opinion but not according to Reliable sources. Deb (talk) 12:29, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

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Ramification problem

In philosophy and artificial intelligence (especially, knowledge based systems), the ramification problem is concerned with the indirect consequences of an action. It might also be posed as how to represent what happens implicitly due to an action or how to control the secondary and tertiary effects of an action. It is strongly connected to, and is opposite the qualification side of, the frame problem.

Limit theory helps in operational usage. For instance, in KBE derivation of a populated design (geometrical objects, etc., similar concerns apply in shape theory), equivalence assumptions allow convergence where potentially large, and perhaps even computationally indeterminate, solution sets are handled deftly. Yet, in a chain of computation, downstream events may very well find some types of results from earlier resolutions of ramification as problematic for their own algorithms.

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Talk:May 13

Revision needed for entry on Julian of Norwich
This gives the date of May 13 as the date of the commemoration of Julian of Norwich, but wrongly has parentheses that say "Anglican". In fact, as the article on Julian of Norwich itself clarifies, May 13 is her commemoration day in the Roman Catholic church; in the Anglican Church, her feast day is May 8. It does seem rather strange that Wikipedia does not always learn from other Wikipedia articles! ACEOREVIVED (talk) 21:24, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I Don't Believe It
On this day in 1939, it says the first commercial FM station in the US is launched. I realize it doesn't say it began broadcasting FM that day, merely that it was launched. I checked and see no articles that verify it and see no verification elsewhere on the internet in my limited search. How does one know if it is true or not?

Plea for consistency
Looking through the list for items from the 1940's I was surprised that there seems no consistency in listing of opposing forces.

1940 – Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands flees her country to Great Britain after the Nazi invasion. Princess Juliana takes her children to Canada for their safety. 1941 – World War II: Yugoslav royal colonel Dragoljub Mihailović starts fighting with German occupation troops, beginning the Serbian resistance. 1943 – World War II: German Afrika Korps and Italian troops in North Africa surrender to Allied forces.

The item for 1940 refers to a 'Nazi invasion'. The item for 1941 refers to 'German occupation troops'. The item for 1943 refers to 'German and Italian troops' versus 'Allied forces'

If the invasion of a country is by 'Nazis' then the occupation of a country must also be by 'Nazis'. Or both articles should refer to Germans.

If reference is made to combatants from more than one country, surely it should read 'Allied' versus 'Axis' soldiers? Or the combatants on the Allied side should be listed by country too.

The practice of referring to combatants according to the politics of their leadership seems odd. Was the Cold War fought between the Communists and the Capitalists? Or was it between America and Russia (and allies)? Was the Falklands War a war between Capitalists and Fascist forces or would it be correct to refer to it as a war between Britain and Argentina?

I feel that reference to Nazi' forces may be common but it is not accurate. Wikipedia should be striving for accuracy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robata (talk • contribs) 11:33, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Incidents
The usage and primary topic of is under discussion, see Talk:13 May incident (Malaysia) -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 04:19, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Kermit
Can someone re-word or remove, the entry about Kermit Gosnell?

It seems a little emotionally worded …

Cuddy2977 (talk) 16:37, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

suggestion for addition to Holidays and observances
(Saint) Maël - date listed as May 13. (Saint) Mærwynn - date listed as May 13. both mentioned on May 13 at Celtic and Old English Saints, May--Richardson mcphillips (talk) 16:54, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Unnecessary removal of “non-notable people”
Many entries were removed by Eddie Scarpa. The removals were of actors, playwrights, philanthropists, musicians, etc. that had links to Wikipedia articles of these people - a lot of work from the individuals who added them.

One that caught my attention was:

 * 1908 – Eugen Kapp, Estonian composer and educator (d. 1996)

If there is a Wikipedia article about a person, that person must certainly be “notable” to those readers interested in the subject. Entries with links to Wikipedia articles should not be removed from this list!

It’s disheartening that sports fans can dictate what interests people enjoy. Just because an “editor” doesn’t know about or have an interest in some other subject is no reason to remove valid entries from a list. Please respect other people’s interests and return the removed items. Wikipedia is about sharing knowledge, and many people discover things by randomly searching lists like this. 2A02:14F:1F9:D5E6:8518:4791:7129:B8A0 (talk) 17:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

 * @Eddie Scarpa - I've also wondered what rationale/criteria you use to remove what you term to be "non-notable people" from various DOY articles. Could you please explain? Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 17:57, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That article is a stub. Look at the page for May 11th. It's short and concise. There is no need for the pages to be cluttered with long lists of people. There is a reason the year pages got rid of listing birthdays and deaths and moved them to individual list pages. The 1908 page does not even have the person's name listed. These individuals do not have any references and were added years ago. I suggest that there should be an individual page to list these people. Eddie Scarpa (talk) 17:04, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Eddie Scarpa, if you're concerned that Eugen Kapp is a stub, then you should either improve it or nominate it for deletion, not delete its entry on the relevant DOY article. There is an ongoing effort to find citations for all entries in DOY articles. Your deletions are of such a scale that I would ask you to first discuss this on the DOY project talk page. Kiwipete (talk) 19:41, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

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Tenshi Nanka ja Nai

Tenshi Nanka ja Nai (天使なんかじゃない) is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Ai Yazawa. It was serialized in Shueisha's manga magazine Ribon from 1991 to 1994, with its chapters collected in eight  volumes. An original video animation (OVA), animated by Group TAC and directed by Hiroko Tokita, was released in 1994.

Synopsis
Midori Saejima is a first-year student at the newly established Hijiri Gakuen. Midori is persuaded by her classmates to run for student council. Midori is reluctant but realizes that Akira Sudō is also running for student council, she becomes eager to win the election. Ever since Midori had seen Akira during the beginning of the school year, she had felt an intense attraction to him. Akira and Midori are elected president and vice-president respectively for the student council. Thus begins their story that centers on their relationship and the many adventures of high school with their friends.

Midori and Akira quickly become close, and Midori eagerly seeks the opportunity to become Akira's girlfriend. Although Akira seems to have similar feelings for Midori, Midori eventually finds out about Akira's feelings toward Hiroko, who is Midori's favorite art teacher at their school. Akira explains his past with Hiroko and how he considers her to be an important person in his life. Midori is somewhat comforted by Akira's honesty and his explanation that his relationship with Hiroko is strictly platonic. Akira eventually comes to reciprocate Midori's feelings.

However, their relationship is troubled by Midori's increasing jealousy toward Hiroko and Akira's strong connection. They break up after months of awkwardness. Midori finds comfort in her long-time friend Ken Nakagawa, who has secretly loved Midori for years. Once Akira abruptly leaves the country to find Masashi Sakamoto, Hiroko's lover and Akira's half-brother, Midori realizes that she cannot be with anyone except Akira.

Midori and Akira rekindle their relationship after Akira comes back. The story ends with their graduation from high school.

Characters

 * Midori Saejima (冴島 翠)
 * The protagonist of the story. She is always happy and has many friends at school. Likes to draw and sing. She falls in love with Akira.
 * The protagonist of the story. She is always happy and has many friends at school. Likes to draw and sing. She falls in love with Akira.

 * Akira Sudō (須藤 晃)
 * A main character in the story. The guy who Midori falls in love with. He has a troubled past with an unhappy childhood, but eventually opens up to Midori. He always wears the ducktail hairstyle, and we can rarely see him without it.
 * A main character in the story. The guy who Midori falls in love with. He has a troubled past with an unhappy childhood, but eventually opens up to Midori. He always wears the ducktail hairstyle, and we can rarely see him without it.

 * Ken Nakagawa (中川 ケン)
 * Midori's friend from junior-high. Ken is a musician who dreams of becoming a star. He first appears in volume 3, when Midori meets up with some of her old friends on her birthday. He is often mentioned in another of Yazawa's works, Neighborhood Story, as the character Tsutomu bears an uncanny resemblance to him.

 * Bunta Kōno (河野 文太)
 * The secretary of the student council. His nickname is "Bun" (文ちゃん). He is from class D.
 * The secretary of the student council. His nickname is "Bun" (文ちゃん). He is from class D.

 * Tomoko Kawakami (川上 友子)
 * A student of class A. Her nickname is "Tonko" (トン子).
 * A student of class A. Her nickname is "Tonko" (トン子).

 * Kayo (カヨ)
 * A student of class A. She is calm and takes pride in her soft skin.
 * A student of class A. She is calm and takes pride in her soft skin.

 * Hiroko Maki (牧 博子)
 * Art teacher at Midori's school. She is popular among her students due to her beauty and kind personality. She is in a long-distance relationship with Masashi Sakamoto. Not seeing the love of her life makes her reach her limit but the couple finally gets married in the 4th volume.
 * Art teacher at Midori's school. She is popular among her students due to her beauty and kind personality. She is in a long-distance relationship with Masashi Sakamoto. Not seeing the love of her life makes her reach her limit but the couple finally gets married in the 4th volume.

 * Masashi Sakamoto (坂本 将志)
 * Akira's tutor before high school. An avid artist, he leaves Hiroko in Japan and travels around the world (mostly France) for his art. It is revealed in the story that Masashi is Akira's half-brother.

 * Yuuko Mamiya (麻宮 裕子)
 * She joined student council and was elected secretary with Bunta Kōno. She became Midori's best friend. She longs to be Shūichi's girlfriend ever since they went to junior high together. At first glance she looks like a stuck up or cold person because of her attitude. But she really is nice. Midori likes to call her "Mamirin". The nickname sounds like "Marilyn" because Mamiya is pretty and has mole that looks like Marilyn Monroe's.
 * She joined student council and was elected secretary with Bunta Kōno. She became Midori's best friend. She longs to be Shūichi's girlfriend ever since they went to junior high together. At first glance she looks like a stuck up or cold person because of her attitude. But she really is nice. Midori likes to call her "Mamirin". The nickname sounds like "Marilyn" because Mamiya is pretty and has mole that looks like Marilyn Monroe's.

 * Shūichi Takigawa (瀧川 秀一)
 * He joined the student council at the beginning of the manga and was elected treasurer. He became Akira's best friend. He is very popular among the girls in his school because of his good looks.
 * He joined the student council at the beginning of the manga and was elected treasurer. He became Akira's best friend. He is very popular among the girls in his school because of his good looks.

 * Shino Harada (原田 志乃)
 * She was Shūichi's girlfriend and Mamiya's rival. She is seen as an idol by the boys in Hijiri. She is jealous of Mamiya and doubts about Shūichi's fidelity. This will cause them to break up.

Manga
Written and illustrated by Ai Yazawa, Tenshi Nanka ja Nai was serialized in Shueisha's manga magazine Ribon from the September 1991 to the November 1994 issues. Shueisha collected its chapters in eight volumes, released from May 15, 1992, to March 15, 1995. The series was republished in a four-volume edition in 2000, and a six-volume  edition from 2008 to 2009. A five-volume "reorganized" version was released in 2019.

Original video animation
A 30-minute original video animation (OVA) was released on September 21, 1994. It was animated by Group TAC and directed by Hiroko Tokita, with script by Tomoko Konparu, character designs by Yasuomi Umetsu, and music composed by Fujio Takano.

Reception
By June 2019, the manga had over 10 million copies in circulation. The series ranked fifth in a survey conducted by Oricon on the top ten manga series.

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Talk:May 15

Khayyam
According to Omar Khayyam he was born on May 31

Marx
I think that Karl Marx was born on 5th May. This is confirmed on his page.

 * Karl Marx was indeed born on the 5th, removing. -- Borameer ™ 21:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

International Conscientious Objectors' Day
I have added International Conscientious Objectors' Day and an external reference link. 211.26.1.2 03:05, 1 October 2007 (UTC) But this is a grassroots campaign, not recognized by any government. Should be deleted. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 17:33, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * unclear what you mean. Why add it if you think it should be deleted.  I agree about deletion. --2607:FEA8:D5DF:1AF0:87C:8827:9DDC:6168 (talk) 09:07, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

George Clooney 'murderer'
Now this is crazy.

"2007 - George Clooney is convicted of the murder of fellow actors Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson."

I'm deleting it. Kblavie 06:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Now this

"2007 - Gaberguts underwear brand reaches 1$ mark"

Looks like this is being spammed Kblavie 06:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Edit on November 23
I just added the area "Other Events" which now has stuff about Seussical and Horton Hears a Who!--Stealth500 (talk) 14:03, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Why did this get deleted? --Stealth500 (talk) 12:46, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * In order to keep all of the date articles consistent, new sections should be discussed on the project talk page. Any new section needs to be added to all 366 date articles.  Additionally, there is no reason to separate Events and Other Events - what makes an event an other event?  If an event is notable enough to be included, it should just go under Events. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 16:19, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Where do i do that? --Stealth500 (talk) 17:48, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If you mean where do you propose a new section, here. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 18:27, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think we misunderstood each other. If you want to discuss whether your Seussical entry should be included, this is the best place to do so.  If you want to make a new section for it, this other place is the place for it.  So let's talk about Suessical.  Your entry was "In the play the Seussical which is based on Horton Hears a Who! takes place on May 15."  What exactly are you trying to say?  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 22:11, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Seussical reference
The Seussical happens on May 15th and I think it should have a link here since it can link to the Seussical making an internal link.

So? --Stealth500 (talk) 01:07, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Where does it happen on May 15? Does it take place on May 15th in its fictional setting?  I'm not familiar with it. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 01:10, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It takes place in the story of Horton Hears a Who! which Seussical is based on. Essentially the story starts on May 15th. --Stealth500 (talk) 01:32, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * In that case, it would be a fictional occurrence and it should not be included here. Fictional events are specifically excluded.  Have a look here and here for info on what should be listed here.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 01:41, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * So where could it go? --Stealth500 23:18, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It's already in the Horton Hears a Who! article and beyond that there is no place for it. It doesn't belong in any date articles if that is what you are asking. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 06:09, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Rerum Novarum
I added to "Events" the May 15, 1891 anniversary of the publication of the first modern Catholic social encyclical. Can someone please explain why this was removed? I'm new to this. Thanks Jamelchior (talk) 01:24, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * since I hear no objections, I'm putting it back. Please discuss here if this doesn't meet the standards - as I said, I'm new, and trying to learn. ThanksJamelchior (talk) 19:46, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Sejong the Great
Sejong the Great was born on the 5th. This is confirmed on his page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gamerdog6482 (talk • contribs) 20:03, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Zara Phillips
The current text for this item reads "1981 – Zara Phillips, English royal and horse rider". 'Her Wikipedia page refers to her being the Grandaughter of Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom. Accordingly she should be listed as a British royal. Robata (talk) 21:01, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Births and deaths cleanup
See Wikipedia talk:Days of the year.Deb (talk) 17:30, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

title: Talk:May 15