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Talk:Russian Armed Forces

New Table of Ranks
I created a table of ranks for Comparative military ranks, but as things turned out, it wasn't needed there, so I tried moving it here. Only there already is a table here. But this table is different (and somewhat messier)) than mine. I haven't replaced the table here yet because it contains information which my table does not. I hope the two can be reconsiled soon and then moved here. I will do this if nobody else is up to the task. --Oceanhahn 09:09, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

July 13, 2007 AVN new articles
Army

North Caucasian military district group holds anti-terrorist drill

MOSCOW. July 12 (Interfax-AVN) - A tactical battalion group of the 503rd motorized infantry regiment of the 58th army is in an exercise aimed at the destruction of a 500-man strong terrorist group at the Tarskoye training range in North Ossetia, assistant to the Russian Army commander Col. Igor Konashenkov told Interfax-AVN.

"Assault planes, helicopters, self-propelled artillery systems and Grad missile systems are taking part in the anti-terrorist drill at the Tarskoye training range on Thursday. The drill is part of the Caucasian Boundary 2007 exercises," Konashenkov said.

The exercises began last Saturday and will conclude on July 13. They involve over 6,000 servicemen, over 250 pieces of armor and artillery systems and more than 30 planes and helicopters.

Army

NATO planes monitoring Russian exercises

MOSCOW. July 12 (Interfax-AVN) - NATO reconnaissance aircraft have been shadowing military exercises being conducted by Russia's Northern Fleet, as well as exercises in the Far East and the North Caucasus.

"Flights by two or three NATO reconnaissance planes have been registered near Russia's borders since the exercises began," Col. Alexander Drobyshevsky, an aide to the Russian Air Force commander, told Interfax-AVN on Thursday.

"NATO is monitoring the exercises without violating Russia's airspace, that is why our Air Forces are not taking any retaliatory measures. We are only tracking these flights," Drobyshevsky said.

"Two or three NATO aircraft, including Orion, Atlantic and RS-135, have been flying near the scene of the exercises and shadowing them. Usually we register one NATO scout plane per day near these Russian districts," he said.

This week Russia is conducting Caucasian Frontier-2007 antiterrorist exercise, the Wing-2007 logistics maneuvers and the command post exercise of the Northern Fleet.

Army

Over 80 military units to shift to all-volunteer manning before 2008 - general staff

MOSCOW. July 12 (Interfax-AVN) - Deputy Chief of General Staff Col. Gen. Vasily Smirnov has claimed that 81 military units, with the total strength of 124,000 people, will shift to all-volunteer manning by January 1, 2008.

"I have no doubts that this transformation will proceed as planned. Presently, we have 93,000 professional servicemen in the Armed Forces," he said, noting though that there are problems enlisting volunteers, mostly related to the low wages and their bad qualifications.

He added that 174 volunteers from CIS member-states undergo service in the Russian Armed Forces now, emphasizing that they are enlisted under special order of the defense minister, which specifies the units and positions in which such professional servicemen can serve.

Infobox
I think an infobox like in so many other military articles, with statistical numbers about total armed forces, active troops and so on, would be good for this page.

Commanders appointed for new OSKs
New Russian Strategic Level Commanders: Makarov’s Successor in the Making? Publication: Eurasia Daily Monitor Volume: 7 Issue: 149 August 3, 2010 11:23 AM Age: 5 days Category: Eurasia Daily Monitor, Home Page, Featured, Military/Security, Russia By: Roger McDermott

Russian Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov (L) and Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces Nikolai Makarov (R)

On July 22, Russian Defense Minister, Anatoliy Serdyukov, signed an order appointing acting commanders in the new operational-strategic commands (OSK’s). Serdyukov’s Press Secretary, Lieutenant-Colonel Irina Kovalchuk, told Interfax that Colonel-General Arkadiy Bakhin (Commander of the Volga-Urals Military District –MD) has become the acting Commander of the West OSK; Lieutenant-General Aleksandr Galkin (Commander of the North Caucasus MD) will command the South OSK; Admiral Konstantin Sidenko (Commander of the Pacific Fleet) now commands the East OSK and Lieutenant-General Vladimir Chirkin (Commander of the Siberian MD) commands the Central OSK (Interfax, July 22).

These appointments are highly significant for a number of reasons linked to the future course of Serdyukov’s reform program, and not least in strengthening the authority of the Chief of the General Staff (CGS), Army-General Nikolai Makarov. Each of these commanders are committed supporters of the “new look” and share common features in their career progression, especially Bakhin, Galkin and Chirkin, and these are arguably now possible candidates to replace Makarov in the future.

General Makarov was appointed as the CGS in June 2008, prior to the Russia-Georgia war in August of that year. At the time of his appointment he was 58 years old. Upon reaching the retirement age for an officer of his rank, 60, in October 2009, President Dmitry Medvedev, signed a ukaz extending his service by up to three years, partly in recognition of his crucial role in promoting and overseeing the implementation of military reform (Interfax, October 13, 2009). Consequently, by 2012, Makarov must be replaced; however, since the defense “tandem” that formed between Serdyukov and Makarov has worked so well and proved critical in advancing the military reform, the selection of the latter’s successor must also be handled very carefully.

In December 1997, Makarov was appointed as commander of the ground and coastal troops and deputy commander of the Baltic Fleet. By September 1999 Makarov was the chief of staff in the Moscow MD before becoming the commander of the Siberian MD in December 2002. Following a period as chief of armaments (April 2007) Makarov became the CGS on June 3, 2008. As a candidate of political sciences, his dissertation topic was: “Political Extremism as a Radical Model of the Political Process, and the Organization of State Opposition to Extremism” (Kommersant-Vlast, March 5, 6). Makarov will be 61 in October 2010, allowing a maximum of two years to select his successor.

Makarov’s only obvious similarity to Admiral Sidenko is the latter’s experience commanding troops and forces in Northeastern Russia in the late 1990’s. However, in the case of the other senior appointments, there are more clear indications of shared background and preference for those with service in the Siberian MD. General Bahkin, 54, in the 1990’s served as a commander of the 59th Motorized Rifle Regiment in the 85th Motorized Rifle Division (MRD) in the Siberian MD. Following a period as commander of the 102nd Military Base in Gyumri, Armenia, in 2000 he commanded the 42nd MRD in Chechnya. In 2002, Bakhin was appointed as deputy commander of the North Caucasus MD. In October 2004, he returned to the Siberian MD, commanding the 41st Combined-Arms Army in Novosibirsk, before becoming deputy commander of the Siberian MD in January 2006 (serving as Makarov’s deputy) and later its chief of staff. On December 3, 2008 he was appointed to command the Volga-Urals MD (Kommersant-Vlast, March 5, 6).

In 2003, General Galkin, 52, served as deputy commander of the 41st Combined-Arms Army (Novosibirsk), then as the chief of staff of the 36th Combined-Arms Army (Borzya, Chita Oblast) in the Siberian MD, before he became commander of the 41st Army in January 2006. In April 2008, Galkin was appointed as deputy commander of the Siberian MD, and following Makarov being promoted to the post of CGS in December 2008, Galkin was made its chief of staff. On January 11, 2010, Galkin was appointed as the new commander of the North Caucasus MD (Kommersant-Vlast, March 5, 6).

General Chirkin, 54, was chief of staff in the 19th MRD in the North Caucasus MD before commanding the 42nd MRD in Chechnya in 2000. By 2002, Chirkin was the chief of staff in the 58th Army within the same MD, before his appointment the following year to command the 36th Combined-Arms Army in the Siberian MD. He served from February 2007 as deputy commander of the Moscow MD, and in December 2008 became chief of staff in the Volga-Urals MD. On January 11, 2010, he was promoted to command the Siberian MD (Kommersant-Vlast, March 5, 6).

However, Bakhin, Chirkin and Galkin all benefitted during Makarov’s period commanding the Siberian MD. They are all outspoken supporters of Serdyukov’s reform, and the preference for those with experience in the Siberian MD was demonstrated in January 2010, in the largest reshuffling of generals since Serdyukov’s reform began (Argumenty Nedeli, January 22). These appointments confirm the high level of influence that Makarov has secured over the defense minister, favoring only those senior officers committed to the progress of the reform, and given the expansion of command responsibilities involved in forming the new OSK’s by December 1, 2010, it is likely that these generals will now compete to replace Makarov in 2012. Those confirmed in their posts in December will remain in the running, while given the intensification of Chirkin’s pro-reform interviews this year, as well as having commanded the Siberian MD, the others may have already identified a front runner.

http://www.jamestown.org/single/?no_cache=1&tx_ttnews[swords]=8fd5893941d69d0be3f378576261ae3e&tx_ttnews[any_of_the_words]=OSK&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=36705&tx_ttnews[backPid]=7&cHash=3105c60244, Aug 3, 2010

Also http://www.jamestown.org/programs/edm/single/?tx_ttnews[tt_news]=36496&cHash=582e631d45, June 15, 2010 Also http://www.bu.edu/phpbin/news-cms/news/?dept=732&id=56306 (BU)

Quick Facts: History
Under the History section under Quick Facts, I think wikilinks to List of Wars involving Russia, List of Wars involving the Soviet Union, and List of Battles involving the Russian Federation should be provided, as this would provide better resources to the reader and be more consistent with other armed forces articles (the Soviet Union one is debatable), I would give the display text as follows: Wars involving Russia; Wars involving the Soviet Union; Battles involving the Russian Federation. Respectively. I'm far from having the permissions to edit the Introduction, so this is also a request for someone with the permissions to do so if this is found to be suitable. Isz Chepewéssin (talk) 08:23, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Conscription isn’t draft.
Russia hasn’t drafted anyone in December. False information that needs to be removed. Russia has mandatory military service like Israel and South Korea. Yasarhossain07 (talk) 04:46, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Update military budget and share of GDP
Please update military budget and share of GDP to 2024. Military budget: $140 billion Share of GDP: 7.1% Source: https://www.sipri.org/media/press-release/2023/russias-new-budget-law-signals-determination-see-war-ukraine-through-according-new-sipri-analysis Slim Nesbit (talk) 22:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Lead
Why did my edit get reverted? How is that NPOV? I updated more recent information and added balance to all negative information from 2022 (all of which is inaccurate or over-exaggerated, by the way, but for the sake of argument let's just assume that it's not). Are we supposed to pretend that nothing has changed since 2022? Romanov loyalist (talk) 14:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Your addition does not in fact contradict the idea the Rusisan still have logistical problems, as they were on the defensive. In fact quite the opposite seems to be true, as the article stated. That was my objection. Slatersteven (talk) 14:28, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Them being on the defensive when Ukraine went on its summer and fall offensive in 2023 is not an indication of logistical problems. Letting an opponent wear themselves down by going on the attack is also a strategy. The large amount of defensive layers that were prepared along the front also shows a lot of logistical capability. Romanov loyalist (talk) 14:33, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * No but altering us saying they did (and the source for it) is removing the claim they still had a problem. Slatersteven (talk) 14:34, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I summarized the earlier points to shorten the paragraph. All of the sources in the paragraph about that are from 2022. In 2024, there is the NATO supreme commander saying that Russia can replenish its forces very fast, faster than Ukraine, so that indicates whatever logistical issues there might still be are not that significant by now, compared to 2022. Romanov loyalist (talk) 14:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It looked to me you removed this "Researchers from the U.S.-funded RAND Corporation have observed that Russia continues to struggle with military professionalization" and replaced it with this " However, in 2023 the Russian military defeated a major Ukrainian offensive", that is not "I summarized the earlier points to shorten the paragraph" that is altering it. I will now not be responding again to let otherd chip in.Slatersteven (talk) 14:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Alright. Just to clarify, that RAND source is from 2022, and the sentences before it already say from other 2022 sources that Russia had problems with logistics, casualties, operations, etc. So I shortened the paragraph by rewording the other sentences and removing the sentence with the RAND source because it just restates the same thing from the other 2022 sources. In retrospect, the RAND source can simply be added to the end of the earlier sentences. Then I added more recent information. I think the point was already made by the several sentences before the RAND sentence that the Russian military had significant problems in 2022. So there is no particular reason for yet another sentence restating the same thing but with different words. Romanov loyalist (talk) 15:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is anything wrong with updating the article, but the selectiveness you used in doing so made the article read "Russia struggled during the first year during its invasion of Ukraine, however it then defeated (the word "defeat" is nowhere in either cited reference, in fact, it makes references to different small and symbolic Ukrainian victories, so this wording was pure WP:SYNTH) the Ukrainian counteroffensive in 2023 and recovered its losses.
 * If you think this is WP:NPOV according to the WP:DUE weight policy you're very mistaken.
 * Stating in Wikipedia's voice that Russia has recovered its military losses from early in the war, which included some of its best personnel, by largely mobilizing inmates and other recruits that are almost immediately deployed to the frontline is questionable at best. If things were as rosy for the Russian military as you'd like to imply, they should be a lot further into Ukraine than they are.
 * If we ignore fringe views and selective use of sources, the mainstream view in WP:RS is that the Russian military is still struggling, albeit managing to replenish enough losses to keep pressure up. Aspects such as equipment losses (Russia have resorted to using Soviet tanks such as the T-62 and T-55 as supplement to other tanks due to high losses of modern equipment) and stockpiles drying up seems to be something you ignored in your update, despite that this is something that military analysts often note.
 * There are also the leadership issues, Putin just sacked his Defense Minister in favor of a civilian economist with no military experience.
 * Here are a few sources describing some of it: 1                                     2 3 4
 * Russian production and replenishment has allowed it to maintain momentum despite suffering large losses, and it's also worth noting Russia's adaptation throughout the war, that doesn't make the examples (and they are just a few examples) go away. So if you'd like to update the article, follow WP:DUE and avoid WP:SYNTH, otherwise you'll be reverted. TylerBurden (talk) 18:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm really not sure what the issue is here. The NATO Supreme Commander said that Russia has rebuilt from its losses. That includes recruiting new troops and gaining more equipment, both from stockpiles and new manufacturing. None of those details change what I wrote. It's objectively true that Russia is making its military bigger than it was before. Is the NATO Supreme Commander a "fringe source"? He also said that the Russian military is also learning from the battlefield situation and becoming more experienced, and so much that it "little resembles the chaotic force that invaded Ukraine two years ago." He said that because of this military experience and expansion, the Russian military poses a long term threat to other countries in Europe, not just Ukraine. If the NATO Supreme Commander is also saying that the Russian military is a threat to Europe and not only to Ukraine, than obviously its military capability has recovered. Is that not significant enough to add to the lead?
 * The details and specifics could be in the body of the article, since the lead is meant to be a summary. That Chatham House source you listed makes the same point as the NATO commander, but in more detail than he did, which is that Russia's military has increased in size from before the war. Chatham House also provides other important details, including that Russia has a big advantage in artillery over Ukraine (which WP:RS have said is one of Russia's most important advantages) and that it increased the number of drones it has since the start of the war, and we know that drones have an important role in this conflict. But, like some of the things you mentioned, I thought that details like that were supposed to be further in the article instead of in the lead. My point still stands that it should not be controversial to say that Russia has rebuilt its military from earlier losses if the Commanding General of European Command and the NATO Supreme Commander has said so.
 * The offensive's goal was to reach the coast of the Sea of Azov, and it did not get anywhere close to that or to its own stated minimum objective because it was stopped by the Russian military. So, another way to say that is it was defeated by the Russian military. It was militarily defeated. The Ukrainian offensive was the big event of 2023 in the war, and noting that it was defeated should not be controversial either. Shoigu got promoted, and is now in charge of overseeing not only the Defense Ministry, but also all of the other agencies that are represented on the Security Council of Russia. But I am not sure how that is relevant to the edit.
 * So I don't really see how my edit is an issue. I am simply stating developments that happened in 2023 and 2024. If you were to do that, how would you change what I wrote, for example? Romanov loyalist (talk) 20:54, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Motorway

Definition of motorway
This article has become very confused, especailly as its scope is not properly defined. I have inserted the OECD definition of a motorway into the introductory paragraph, thereby removing the need to discuss what is a motorway, what is a highway, what is an expressway and so on. If this definition is agreed, then agreement should be sought as to what the scope of the article should be, bearing in mind that the scope must be compatible with the OECD definition.

Also, in accepting this definition, we can probably clean out a lot of unneccessary material. Martinvl (talk) 12:09, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Split
This article is becoming rather confusing as more is added, because of the differences in laws, customs, regulations etc in the different nations that use the word motorway. For instance, in the UK, although undertaking is discouraged in the Highway Code, it is not actually illegal. In NZ the signs are green, in the UK they are blue and so on. Citations and references are difficult because they tend to apply only to one specific country. I suggest we have an article for each nation named Motorways of the United Kingdom, Motorways of New Zealand, Motorways of the Republic of Ireland etc. brought together under the Motorway article. This could mirror the way the Autoroute article works for the autoroutes of France, Switzerland and Quebec. This way specific prohibitions, speed limits, hard shoulder use, etc. can be properly explained without having to couch it in phrases like "in some countries...". Also history, laws, conventions and social and cultural differences can be more comprehensively discussed. What do others think? -- de Facto (talk). 15:40, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

 * This suggestion could have merit, but I'd wonder if the similarities outweigh the differences? --Thisisbossi 22:20, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

That's particularly the case with Ireland and the UK - aside from minor differences (how a road is made a motorway, how they're numbered, and the speed limit) motorways in Ireland and the UK are essentially the same concept with exactly the same restrictions and very similar signage. I don't know whether they need to be split, the articles would be very similar and Roads in Ireland and Road signs in the Republic of Ireland deal with the differences anyway. --Rdd 22:08, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

speed limits
Nice article, but one comment/correction - contrary to what is claimed, British motorway speed limits (at least for cars) are no higher than those on any other unrestricted dual carriageway (70mph). I didn't edit, since I don't know the situation in Ireland.... Cambyses 06:03, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, the absolute speed limits here in Ireland are 70mph for motorway, 60mph for National Primary Routes - even if dual-carriageway. (There is some consternation at this). Speed limits will be changing soon to km/h, with slight variations on existing limits, date to be announced sometime in September. All road signs in the country will be updated overnight!!!

I don't know the situation with speed limits in Britain, hence my error. If you can clarify the U.K. situation better, please do. I have amended the phrasing to say "generally" higher than ordinary roads. Also mentioned dual-carriageways being lower speeds in Ireland. Zoney 15:12, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Is it worth mentioning that the restriction of HGVs is nothing to do with the motorway speed limit but rather to do with EU legislation? The speed limit for HGVs on Motorways is 60mph. Also, the default speed for all dual carriageways is 70mph unless otherwise signed, the same as Motorways. 80.169.52.2 (talk) 17:02, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Merge flag
I'm not quite sure why the merge flag was put on here (to merge with Freeway as, SFAICT, there are enough different concepts involved that it seems sensible to keep them apart. Freeway is very much a US-only term, 'motorway' however is translated exactly within Europe (autostrad, autobahn, etc)). Disgree with merge therefore --VampWillow 22:24, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * More Americano-centrism. I've been in the US. None of the various concepts there (freeway, expressway, etc.) entirely co-incide with the British/Irish Motorway. Also the article quite rightly focusses on the British/Irish road classification side of things. Merging? Crazy people. Bah! Zoney 19:04, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * You missed the discussion (all on merge page!) and removal of the merge flag ... I did all the merging and separating out earlier today... I'll remove the bit you added about Europe and put it over into the correct articles if you don't mind. --VampWillow 19:31, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Inside/outside lanes
So there is apparently inconsistent usage about whether the near-median lanes are the inside or outside. So, I've avoided using that language in this article entirely, to avoid confusion. -- Beland 21:36, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Not an option, inside and outside lanes are the terms in use. I'll attempt to better introduce them. zoney ♣ talk 22:15, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Near-median lanes are always termed "outside" lanes, and the others "inside" lanes. In the US, I believe the situation is reversed (I may be wrong), but this article does not apply to the US. (see Freeway). zoney ♣ talk 22:21, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I further clarified, since the first time I read this article, I ended up asking my English friends why on earth they would be required to pass on the shoulder side. Personally, I consider the outside lane to be the one closest to the edge (outside) of the roadway, but apparently some Californians consider it to be the other way around as well.  Given the difference of opinion on this side of the Atlantic, are you sure that everyone in the UK uses the convention indicated?  (Actually, the California driver's handbook says that lanes are officially numbered, lane 1 being the one closest to the median, and that's how the Highway Patrol and traffic reports generally call things, or Nth from the left/right.) -- Beland 05:18, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Standard in the UK and Ireland, possibly elsewhere too. Non-motorists or the un-informed might not be aware of the distinction of course, so it does need explained well! zoney ♣ talk 09:18, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Funnily enough, driving manuals in the UK identify the lane furthest from the central reservation as lane 1, and count up from there. Where traffic is forced onto the hard shoulder, they are on "Lane 0".  Besides that, they are numbered from 1-5 (AFAIK, no motorway actually has more than 5 lanes in any one direction).

 * Article says: In the UK the lanes in a given direction are numbered sequentially from the nearside (left) as lane 1, lane 2, lane 3, etc. Lane 1 is the lane next to the hard shoulder. Not in everyday speech they're not - I'm British, and this is the first I've ever heard of it! On a normal three-lane motorway the lanes are slow/nearside, middle and fast/outside. I've never, ever heard anyone saying "I pulled out into lane 3". 86.136.251.157 02:25, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

 * So the inside lane is actually the one near the shoulder and the outside lane is the one near the median, right? It's a little confusing. Admiral Norton (talk) 23:53, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I've also never heard the lanes numbered. However I haven't heard "slow"..."fast" for decades - doesn't that pre-date the introduction of speed limits and subsequent campaigns to stop using the f word? What I have heard, though, is some people saying "inside" for the slow lane (1) and some people saying "inside" for the fast lane (3 or 4) (on the basis that the central reservation is on the inside of the motorway but the hard shoulders are to the outside) whilst other people (most people?) use the terms the other way round. Northernhenge (talk) 09:25, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Standard usage amongst Police, Highways Agency etc is "Lane X". In this terminology, lane 1 is the lane furthest from central reservation, counting up towards the central reservation. Widest motorway in the UK is the M25 around Heathrow, 6 lanes in each direction, so that has a "Lane 6". The "inside" and "outside" are standard use in the UK, where inside is left and outside is right. The "inside" comes from the fact that is the direction of the inside of the car from the driver's seat, the outside is the direction of the outside of the car from the driver's seat (inside = left, outside = right). Additionally, we use nearside and offside, where nearside = inside, offside = outside. This final system is the one you will encounter if dealing with a hirecar company, insurance company or garage. Also when reporting damage to a vehicle at a Police station, they will record it using nearside and offside. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.183.201 (talk) 18:22, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Feeder routes
I've clipped the following for the moment:
 * Other times, the feeder routes are simply classified with the same number as the main motorway.

I'm not aware of any instances where this is actually the case for something longer than a slip road. The one exception I can think of is the infamous Heathrow spur to the M4 motorway at junction 4, however this doesn't lead inescapably to the motorway - Heathrow Airport is on one side and Hayes is on the other - you could feasibly drive the length of the spur from Hayes to the airport without being forced to join the M4. Chris 01:17, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Interesting, I think that's the case I had remembered. If it doesn't join the M4, why is it a motorway? They just wanted to ban bikes from it? What's used however when there's a motorway parallel to a road, with a short connector road joining them? Is that designated as a separate highway? --SPUI (talk) 00:25, 4 Jan 2003 (UTC)

 * There are many short spurs given the same number as the main motorway - other examples to the one given would be on the M1 at junction 10 near Luton, the M1 at Junction 21A near Leicester, the A627(M) has a spur at the central junction, the Gatwick Spur on the M23...

Motorway translations
Besides the Autobahn and autostrada, which are fairly well-known in English-speaking contexts, do the other translations of motorway differ from the average European motorways?

Peter Isotalo 19:17, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

Autoroute is French. Freeway might have more, not sure. --SPUI (talk) 23:16, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Freeway in French is Autoroute sans péage which translates literally "Motorway without toll". The French also have other roads called Voie rapide and Pénétrante which could be roughly translated as "Expressway" and "Spur road" respectively. Apgeraint 20:33, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

 * A freeway generally means a road which is expected to facilitate the free movement of vehicles rather than the absense of tolls

 * Freeway doesn't mean "toll-free road". It can be tolled just like any other road, e.g. Riverside Freeway. Admiral Norton (talk) 23:51, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Service stations
In the UK, at least, service stations are a notable feature of motorways. Could someone write about them, please? Andy Mabbett 09:05, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Stub now at Motorway service station. See also Category:Motorway service stations in the UK.Andy Mabbett 13:42, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Page Move
I don't see what is a *MAJOR* move having been discussed anywhere. This article is now *WAY* too long and 'motorway' is not just a european term. Please revert this edit asap and put it up for discussion for a merge before taking such a destructive and major action. --Vamp:Willow 12:38, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I concur. Whatever E70's up to, it's clearly not in accordance with Wikipedia policy.  He had better not make any similarly drastic changes to the comparable American articles, or else all the American roadgeeks on WP will be really pissed off (and will eagerly sign a petition to the admins to get him banned).  --Coolcaesar 12:46, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

 * He's been blocked for 48 hours and I've reverted all his changes. Keep an eye on him and report to admins if he does it again.
 * Peter Isotalo 13:08, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

To merge or not to merge
Picking up from the events of earlier today and discussion immediately above, this is as good aplace as any to discuss whether a merge is or may be appropriaate in any way. If you look furhter up this page to the start of 2004 you'll see that there was a complete merge/rewrite/split of all the 'motorway' pages (ie all the national names) in order to rejoin the content that had crept into the different articles back to the correct terminology, (indeed it was done by me but I am quite happy to see any new consensus). Whilst there are a few Europe-wide attributes that may be appropriate most considerations about roads are national, however I felt then and still do that to combine all the national/international content about major fast multi-lane grade-separated-junction central-reservation type roads into one place would create an article way too massive and lead to lots more edit and content conflicts than we already have at present on the individual articles. But ymmv ... so options anyone? --Vamp:Willow 13:15, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm not a road aficonado, and I know this might upset both Americans and Continental Europeans, but I must say there was some logic behind E70's edits even if they were very distructive and inconsiderate of other editors. There really is no major difference between either "motorway", "freeway", "Autobahn", "Autostrada" or any number of terms, even if they're notable in English. They all refer to major road installations for handling large amounts of traffic and really don't differ enough to merit separate articles. I think the most common international term is "motorway", so I suggest redirecting all English and non-English terms here and trying to summarize the information. Mind you, I speak American English and I favor American spelling standards, so this is not a pro-Commonwealth issue.
 * The focus needs to be to make these articles easier to read and find for people who don't have roads as a hobby or major interest.
 * Peter Isotalo 16:58, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

 * It is not particularly feasible to equate the terms. They refer to things that are roughly similar, but that is all. Perhaps some "uber article" describing all such high-capacity roads would be good, but I do not see that it should need to be located at Freeway.
 * zoney ♣ talk 23:28, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Oppose any merger. Not the same. FearÉIREANN [[Image:Map of Ireland's capitals.png|15px]]\(caint)|undefined 01:16, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Having just come to this (extended!) discussion, I'd like to chime in. It strikes me that many aspects of high-speed, limited-access roads are common to all countries.  They are trans-national engineering considerations.  It would, perhaps, be useful to create Zoney's "uber-article" and then have sub-articles for regional variations on the concept (motorways, freeways, autostradas, etc. etc.).  The one sticking point--one that can be overcome--is to find a common name for these things.  "Superhighways," perhaps?
 * --MatthewStevens (talk) 19:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

 * This has been discussed over and over. Look at the dates in this discussion: no consensus was formed in more than two years. I believe the best thing is to leave as is. A common name is highly improbable, if not impossible to find. Admiral Norton (talk) 21:26, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Completion date
Many of the completion dates are missing for motorways. Could I have help inserting them? Sceptre ( Talk ) 20:55, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Update: Finished the long task: Feel free to do infoboxes for M6T and the Ax(M) motorways. Sceptre ( Talk ) 22:05, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Here's a list of motorway needed to be boxed. Delete the motorway when finished Sceptre  ( Talk  ) 12:25, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
 * M23
 * M25
 * M26
 * M27
 * M275
 * M32
 * M40
 * M42
 * M45
 * M48
 * M49
 * M50
 * M51
 * M53
 * M54
 * M55
 * M56
 * M57
 * M58
 * M59
 * M6T
 * M61
 * M65
 * M66
 * M67
 * M602
 * M621
 * M74
 * M77
 * M9
 * M90

Merge/split
I've removed these templates, as ten days have elapsed without a clear consensus.

zoney ♣ talk 16:14, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Junctions must be numbered?
In the section about UK-Specifics, it states that in the UK, junctions must have a number. This may be the ideal, but I note that this is not always applied! Good examples: M275, A329(M).

 * That section was a mess. I've cleaned it up a bit.--Shantavira|feed me 09:39, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Highway
Technically, a UK motorway is not a highway (as stated in the defining paragraph). It is a motor road. In the UK, a "highway" is a right of way, which a motorway is not. I'm not sure how (or whether) to fix this.--Shantavira|feed me 09:39, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source for that? As far as I am aware under the UK definition a highway is any route with any form of right of way, be it a footpath, a bridleway, a cycleway, a restricted byway, a byway open to all traffic, a classified road, a principal road or a special road (also known as a Motorway). Road Wizard 12:36, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

UK central reservations
The following extract from the "Common Criteria" section doesn't quite seem to make sense to me: "The central reservation remains unbroken (an exception being [...] a section of the M40 in Warwickshire, with an unusually wide grass verge separating the carriageways)." I'm not quite sure what this bit is supposed to mean: surely a grassed area separating the carriageways is a central reservation? The fact it's exceptionally wide doesn't imply it's not unbroken. In any event, there are plenty of other places with wide central reservations: M6 close to Shap summit in Cumbria, M62 summit between Manchester and Leeds (that even has a farm on it!). Can anyone discern what's meant here? Casper Gutman (talk • contributions) 08:29, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Are roundabouts allowed?
No roundabouts apart from at the start and finish and some motorway interchanges This means that roundabouts can be used at the start, finish and as motorway interchanges. In other words, their use is not restricted. Could someone explain this and rewrite the sentence in the article? Also, the explanation of "motorway interchanges" in the context of this would be useful. It seems that most countries in the world and the UK disagree about the definition of an "interchange". Admiral Norton (talk) 21:11, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

 * I don't know. In Ireland there are NO at-grade roundabouts on actual motorways. I'm not sure what the case is in the UK, but I'd imagine it'd be similar.
 * Yes there are, two in fact:

- M50 Junction 3 - an at grade roundabout on the mainline. If you continue straight ahead for the N32, motorway regulations don't end until the next roundabout for Baskin. At least, this was originally the case, but its harder to see since they resignposted it as part of the Port Tunnel works. (Its now possible to leave the M50 at this junction via the N32 without ever hitting any "end of motorway" signs). -M1 Junction 3 - this roundabout isn't on the mainline, but you'll hit it if you join the M1 at the Dublin Airport roundabout. The entire roundabout (and the 1km or so spur motorway leading to it)is nonetheless under motorway regulations, as the only places you can get to from it are the M1 northbound or southbound. Rdd (talk) 19:24, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps the writer when the writer said 'as motorway interchanges', he was referring to the fact you can have slip roads leading to a roundabout (as is often the case in the UK and Ireland), with the mainline passing underneath. I wouldn't imagine an at-grade roundabout would be acceptable for a motorway. Trans5999 (talk) 19:58, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * There are examples in the UK which have roundabouts on the mainline: M271, M60, A627(M), A601(M) Jenuk1985 (talk) 20:37, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Ireland
I find the paragraphs on Irish motorways as way too detailed and esoteric. CFCF (talk) 22:37, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

 * "Esoteric"; confined to and understandable by only an enlightened inner circle. I like the "enlightened" bit. Could you cite an example of this esotericism? Sarah777 (talk) 09:15, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Driver Location Signs
I have been adding information regarding driver location signs. The work is still in progress, but is taking shape. Currently I have written an article Highway route markers which has a section on driver location signs. I might hive that off at a later date if appropriate. Meanwhile I have also made additions to the exit lists for the M3, M25 and M26 motorways. My own feeling is that the M25 addition is fine - it is totally verifiable. I am not too happy about the M26 addition (identification of carriageways) as it is not verified. I have taken a slightly different approach to the M3 addition of carriageway identifiers - I have recorded the date on which I actually viewed the markers - I believe that this is a verifiable source rather than original research since anybody can likewise go to the M3 and verify what I saw in the same way as they would do if it were a book. Any comments? Martinvl (talk) 19:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Environmental effects
To me this whole section seems out of place and its inclusion is in my mind (slightly) POV, the environmental effects of road transport are VERY well covered in numerous other articles. We don't need them going over again on every road related article in existence. Midlandstoday (talk) 18:53, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Junction Lists on separate pages?
Is there any benefit of moving the junction lists (at any rate of the major motorways - criteria still to be decided) onto their own pages - this will assist any readers who might like to print the junction list off. In such cases, there would be a note at the top of the article to this effect. Martinvl (talk) 11:38, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

The Motorways – Freeway – Expressway debate (again)
This posting appears on the Talk pages of Motorway, Expressway and Freeway. Please respond on the Motorway talk page.

An install-delete battle is breaking out on the Motorways article regarding the description of Pakistan’s motorways. I do not want to take sides, but I would like to resolve this problem and also, at the same time resolve the larger problem of Motorway, Freeways and Expressways.

My proposal is as follows:
 * 1) The section on Pakistan’s motorways be allowed to stand for the time being.

 * 2) A new article entitled Motorways, Freeways and Expressways be written. This article will explain the difference between the various terms using the OECD definition as a starting point.  The choice of the OECD definition will ensure a neutral standpoint.

 * 3) Merge the Freeways article and Motorways articles into one, removing country-specific items unless they are noteworthy outside the country concerned. The combined article (which would have the title OECD-preferred name of Motorway) would have a short introduction to the various country-specific articles which would serve as an introduction to the article List of highway systems with full control of access and no cross traffic.

 * 4) Finally point redirect the Expressway article to the Motorway article.

Any comments? Martinvl (talk) 12:35, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

 * I strongly disagree with both major aspects of your merger proposal. Freeway is the more common term in use worldwide, especially because it's used heavily in the U.S. media and entertainment industries and therefore has global circulation (see the list of references at Freeway (disambiguation)).  In contrast, I don't see any rappers or movies called "Motorway."  Freeway is also much less confusing, more accurate, and more precise, as motorway on its face could theoretically apply to any road intended for motor vehicles.  The merger of road type and classification in the concept of the motorway is also extremely confusing and very poorly thought out, which is how the UK ends up with insane highway numbers like A1(M).  If we need an integrated article, "freeway" is by far the better choice to merge into. --Coolcaesar (talk) 16:25, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You seem to have a lot of non sequiturs there. I oppose the merge, but for different reasons - a motorway is a specific class of road rather than a standard of road. If a segment of the A1 is upgraded to freeway standards, it does not necessarily become a motorway; it has to be redesignated A1(M) to become one, just as a road in the U.S. can be a freeway but not an Interstate. --NE2 06:34, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

 * Your assertion only holds for a few countries, mainly the UK, and Wikipedia is meant to have a world-view not a country-specific view. In other countries a motorway (or equivalent term such as freeway) is not a class of road but is a standard of road. For example in South Africa roads are classified as National, Regional or Metropolitan and in each class the standard of road may vary between motorway and single carriageway without grade separation. For example in the Cape Town metropolitan area the N1 is motorway; the M3 has two discontinous sections of motorway (De Waal Drive-Rhodes Drive and the Simon van der Stel Freeway) seperated by a non-motoway section of the route; and then the R300 (Cape Flats Freeway and Kuils River Freeway) is also motorway.

 * This also illustrates why the distinction between "motorway" and "freeway" is artificial as motorway and freeway are used interchangeably in SA for this standard of road. Some roads have "freeway" as part of their name and some have "motorway". For example the M1 in Johannesburg is the De Villiers Graaff Motorway while the section of the N1 that bypasses Pretoria is the Danie Joubert Freeway and there is no objective difference (indeed many have names that do not imply any particular standard of road - eg motorway sections of the N2 in Cape Town are Eastern Boulevard and Settlers Way, the N1 between Johannesburg and Pretoria is the Ben Schoeman Highway etc, and many other sections have no name apart from their route number).

 * We now have the illogical situation where roads are seemly arbitrarily divided between motorway and freeway articles. South African roads come under freeway, but they could equally as legitimately come under motorway. Australia gets into both articles. Thai roads fall under motorway, but is there really any objective reasons why they are motorways rather than freeways?

 * Incorrect - The OECD definition of motorway explicitly states that one of the conditions of a motorway is that specific classes of traffic are excluded from using that road. Under English law (I cannot speak for Scottish Law), any road, except for designated motorways, can be used by pedestrians, cyclists etc. Martinvl (talk) 11:00, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd like to know if the OECD counts western Interstates that allow pedestrians and cyclists in their statistics then. --NE2 11:54, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You tell me - I have never been to the US so I don't really know what you are talking about. However the OECD table shows that the US has just over 75,000 km of motorway, while the CIA factbook says that the US has just over 75,000 km of expressway. Martinvl (talk) 13:04, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * See non-motorized access on freeways - long stretches of Interstate freeway in the Western U.S. allow them. --NE2 16:54, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, if you run searches on Google News and on Google search, freeway returns almost twice as many results as motorway. --Coolcaesar (talk) 16:45, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Could that be because there are four times as many Americans as there are Brits? Martinvl (talk) 11:00, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

I strongly oppose such a merger, it completely goes against common sense. A motorway and a freeway are completely different things, generally standards are different (though in the UK, a motorway isn't a standard of road, though there are generally accepted "unofficial" minimum standards). To even suggest that these two articles be merged just shows lack of understanding of the subject in hand. The suggestion by Coolcaesar that Freeway is a more common term is equally pathetic, and another example of Americanism's trying to take over Wikipedia. Jeni ( talk ) 15:45, 21 November 2009 (UTC

 * So what exactly is the distinction between a motorway and a freeway? If they are "completely different things" they distinguishing them should be easy. Here is a photo of the N2 in Cape Town: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Greater_Cape_Town_12.02.2007_16-41-05.2007_16-41-7.JPG. Is it objectively a motorway or a freeway? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.72.129 (talk) 11:53, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

 * A motorway is defined for statistical purposes by the OECD. In the US a freeway was a road on which no tolls were changed, but in South Africa the word "freeway" was, I believe, adopted by the SA Government in preference to "motorway" as a snub to the British.  As you are probably aware, the Afrikaans for "freeway" is "snelweg" (or expressway) which is yet another word.  I suppose that the real answer to your question is that a motorway, freeway or expressway is whatever the local politicians write into the law and only motorway has an internationally-recorgnised definition. Martinvl (talk) 12:52, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Yes, this is exactly my point and shows why motorway and freeway are not "completely different things", but objectively the same thing as they cannot be classified as one or the other except by location. It's simply a difference in terminology not in the nature of the road and as logical as arguing that a railway and a railroad are "completely different" things. There may have been an anti-British element to the choice of term in SA, but more important in my opinion is that in the period when this type of road started to be built in SA (1950s-60s) the USA was already more influential than Britain as its freeway development was greater than the UK's motorway one. The same thing can be observed in more recent developments such as cellphone rather than mobile phone in SA.

Revocation of 5-Jan-2010
I revoked the changes for a number of reasons:
 * The OECD definition is a legal, internationally recognised definition which describes all the features of a motorway in a concise manner while the new definition of “three of four carriageways” is incorrect – most motorways have two carriageways consisting of between two and six lanes in each carriageway.
 * Since the OECD is a legal definition, it should be included as it stands – the original text has the French translation which is why it has been included.
 * Martinvl (talk) 14:18, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

 * Actually, in Afrikaans there is an alternative term, perhaps older and less frequently used now: motorweg. My old Cape Peninsula A-Z labels the Cape Flats Freeway (then under construction) as Kaapse Vlakte Motorweg. In my opinion seperating motorway from freeway makes as much sense as insisting a railway and a railroad are completely different things or a lift and elevator are different etc. One could start insisting that a railroad was different from a railway because it had a different guage or a different platform height or some other feature of construction, or you could say a lift was a lift and not an elevator because the floors were numbered differently or used different types of equipment etc etc, but it still wouldn't make any sense. People, I think, have conflated "motorway" with British motorways and "freeway" with US or North American freeways and lost sight of the broader picture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.72.129 (talk) 19:47, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Intermediate forms
I've moved this in based on Talk:Semi-highway. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 17:05, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Speed limits - Dual units
The use of dual units in the section on speed limits makes for disruptive reading. I have inserted a conversion table which I hope will remedy this problem. Are people happy for me to remove the dual units from the text and to place the statement The units used for speed limits in this section are those displayed on the roads concerned at the start of the section? Martinvl (talk) 11:11, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Fake hatnote regarding conversions
My removal of the pseudo-hatnote/disclaimer regarding why units are not converted on this article was reverted. I don't understand the rationale behind why we're not converting units anyway, but even if that's what's been decided we should not be inventing new ways of telling these things to users. Hatnotes have a specific styling and a specific purpose: that should not be co-opted for random editorial comments. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 19:47, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The only reason why WP:MOS requires that both systems of units be used is an aide memoire to assist the reader who is unfamiliar with one or other unit of measure. In an article such as this, speed limits are repeated so frequently that seeing the conversions every time that a speed limit is mentioned destroys the flow of the text. Until now, nobody has commented on the arrangement in this article.  Given that the consensus is that a conversion table is acceptable and that if there is no hat-note some smart-alec will object to conversions not being in-line, what do you propose? Martinvl (talk) 21:47, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Smart-alec here. Most probably the article should just have inline conversions and format them for minimal disruption. Having said that, if there's general support for doing things the present way, the answer is to just document this on the talk page and then add an editnotice referring to the talk page consensus. Information that's only useful to editors, and not to readers, should not be presented to the readers who make up most of the audience for the encyclopedia. — Gavia immer (talk) 21:57, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Read the preceding section. Martinvl (talk) 13:50, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Readers should not be expected to look to new conventions on a per-article basis. MOS:CONVERSIONS allows for repeated conversions of the same value to be omitted; that would work well here IMO. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 02:51, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * If you examine the article, you will see that 90% of the speed limits are in one section and the speed limit conversion table is clearly visible to readers (at least on my PC). There are two or three other instances of speed limits and the hat-note refers to them. Martinvl (talk) 16:02, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

 * This still isn't an appropriate use of a hatnote. Perhaps the best solution would be to move the note to the appropriate section and use the normal conversion code for speeds found outside of that section. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 10:00, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Merge
What is happening with the merge proposal that seemed to have been agreed?

As it is, this article is a mess. It appears to be at its core a "Motorways in the United Kingdom" article with information about sundry other countries tacked on. The other countries appear to have been chosen either solely because they use the term "motorway" rather than another word (ie is there anything inherently similar about an Irish and a Pakistani motorway that belongs here, but not say a Japanese expressway, other than the actual name used) or for no reason at all (eg Spain, Germany, Hungary etc, which could equally well go under "freeway" under this arbitrary division between motorway  and freeway)

We need a single article that covers grade-separated limited access roads on a world scale and all the country-specific stuff can go into separate articles such as Motorways in the United Kingdom, Freeways in the USA, Expressways in Japan etc.

Lets not get too hung up about the precise definitions, which differ slightly from country to country or jurisdiction to jurisdiction, or exceptions to the general rules such as bicycles being allowed on US freeways in some states etc. There are lots of concepts that do not have absolutely hard and fast definitions that apply in all cases, yet it doesn't stop us from having articles about them. No-one can come up with a definition of railway/railroad that draws a precise line between them, metros, subways and trams. The dividing line between tree and shrub can be a little hazy, but everyone still knows what a tree is. Booshank (talk) 17:50, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

 * Agree 100%. Sarah777 (talk) 22:10, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

 * Any reason why there are "Z" instead of "S" in this article; What language is it in? Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 03:00, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

 * At the moment it is to be written in Oxford English, which offers a compromise between British English (which Motorway was written in) and American English (which Freeway was written in). However, most of it is copy/pasted from various parts of each article and so at the moment there will very likely be parts in AmEng and parts in BrEng. There's some more info at Talk:Freeway. -  ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  τ ¢  03:07, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

 * Apologies for my ignorance, I didn't know Oxford English was American. Until the article is written, and a Motorways in the United Kingdom will probably have to be written to expand on the section for the UK (and all other countries in the world) and in English (by English, read English English), the article is American. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 03:19, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

 * Note "is to be written in", and not "is written in". Many countries should already have an article dedicated to their national highway system (ie the Motorway System in the United Kingdom), if not a section of their Transportation in X article. There is no reason to create a separate article though for countries that currently only have a few paragraphs of information. -  ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  τ ¢  03:42, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

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Cedar Fair

Cedar Fair Entertainment Company, or simply Cedar Fair, was an American company headquartered at its flagship Cedar Point amusement park in Sandusky, Ohio, United States. The company was a publicly traded master limited partnership that originally formed in 1983 following Cedar Point's acquisition of Valleyfair, in which the name of both parks were combined to form the name Cedar Fair. By 2006, the company's portfolio had grown to eleven amusement parks, eleven outdoor water parks, and one indoor water park in the US and Canada. The acquisition of Schlitterbahn added two more outdoor water parks in 2019.

Cedar Fair and longtime rival Six Flags merged on July 1, 2024, forming a new company and retaining the Six Flags name. Announced in November 2023 as a merger of equals, former Cedar Fair leadership remained in control of the new company, along with two former Six Flags executives. The company's headquarters will reside in Charlotte, North Carolina, a site once occupied by Paramount Parks before its acquisition by Cedar Fair in 2006, while the company will continue to use its Sandusky office location for financial and administrative operations.

History
Cedar Point Amusement Park began as a bathing beach resort in the 1870s, and its growing popularity as a recreational destination led to the formation of Cedar Point Pleasure Resort Company in 1887. The company was founded with the purpose of expanding the resort commercially. An economic depression in the 1890s threatened the resort's future, however. A newly formed business, Cedar Point Pleasure Resort Company of Indiana led by George Arthur Boeckling, purchased Cedar Point for $256,000 in 1897. It was later reorganized as the G.A. Boeckling Company.

The resort thrived under Boeckling's leadership, which lasted through 1931. G.A. Boeckling Company continued to control operations at the amusement park for much of the 20th century. A proposal in 1974 to build an amusement park in Cambridge Township, Michigan, was contemplated and later abandoned the following year. Then in 1978, Cedar Point acquired Valleyfair amusement park. Parent company Cedar Fair Limited Partnership, commonly known as Cedar Fair, was formed in 1983. Its name was derived from both parks – "Cedar" representing Cedar Point and "Fair" representing Valleyfair. The company went public on April 29, 1987. Under Cedar Fair's leadership, Cedar Point grew to become one of the largest amusement parks in the world, and the company increased its portfolio by acquiring other amusement properties throughout the United States.

Dick Kinzel era
The first acquisition of the new Cedar Fair company came in 1992 when Cedar Fair bought Dorney Park from Harris Weinstein. Cedar Fair also bought Worlds of Fun from Hunt-Midwest in 1995. One of the biggest acquisitions came in 1997 when Cedar Fair bought Knott's Berry Farm from the Knott family. This marked the first time Cedar Fair operated a year-round amusement park. The acquisition included operations of the Camp Snoopy indoor park at the Mall of America in Bloomington, Minnesota. In 2005, Cedar Fair withdrew from the lease arrangement leaving Mall of America to manage the park on its own. Mall of America formed a partnership with the Nickelodeon franchise in 2007 and continues to operate under the name Nickelodeon Universe. Several new water park properties named Knott's Soak City opened around the southern California area since the acquisition which included Buena Park in 1999, Chula Vista in 2000 and Palm Springs in 2001. Michigan's Adventure in Muskegon, Michigan was purchased for $27.6 million in 2001.

Cedar Fair opened its first indoor water park in November 2004, Castaway Bay. It was added to the former Radisson Hotel which was then renamed. The indoor waterpark resort is open year-round.

Larger acquisitions followed in 2004 with Six Flags Worlds of Adventure. Cedar Fair purchased the park for $145 million, reverting its name to Geauga Lake, as it was before its Six Flags branding in 2000. Subsequently, Cedar Fair stripped the park of all references to Looney Tunes and DC Comics characters which were licensed properties owned by Six Flags. The zoological and marine life portion of the complex (SeaWorld Ohio), which was annexed to the theme park in 2001, was also shuttered. Six Flags retained ownership of the animals. The amusement park remained in Cedar Fair's portfolio through 2007, and the water park continued to operate as Wildwater Kingdom through 2016.

On May 22, 2006, Cedar Fair announced it had outbid competitors and intended to purchase all five parks in the Paramount Parks chain, including Star Trek: The Experience at the Las Vegas Hilton and the management agreement of Bonfante Gardens. On June 30, 2006, Cedar Fair announced that it had completed its acquisition of Paramount Parks from CBS Corporation in a cash transaction valued at US$1.24 billion. Shortly following the transfer of ownership, Cedar Fair began the process of integrating the two companies. With the purchase of the Paramount Parks, Cedar Fair LP announced that it would do business under the name Cedar Fair Entertainment Company. Cedar Fair LP remains the legal company name.

The individual parks continued to operate under their Paramount names during the 2006 season, however Cedar Fair began removing the Paramount name and logo from the parks in January 2007. The names of the parks were changed back to their original pre-Paramount names (the Paramount's prefix was removed) with the Cedar Fair corporate logo added. Bonfante Gardens was changed to Gilroy Gardens. Cedar Fair began removing references to Paramount Pictures. Although the acquisition granted Cedar Fair a ten-year licensing deal for Paramount names and icons, such as Star Trek, Cedar Fair opted to terminate the agreement and not pay an annual licensing fee. All references to Paramount/CBS-licensed properties were removed before the beginning of the 2008 season. This deal also included a four-year licensing deal for Nickelodeon names and icons, such as SpongeBob SquarePants and Rugrats, this agreement was retained until it expired prior to the 2010 season.

In December 2009, it was announced that Apollo Global Management would offer Cedar Fair $11.50 per share, a 28 percent premium over the market price, as part of a takeover plan which would also make Cedar Fair a private company. The deal included a cash payment of $635 million in addition to assuming Cedar Fair's debt of over US$1.7 billion putting the total value of the transaction close to US$2.4 billion. Cedar Fair planned to hold a shareholder meeting on March 16, 2010, to vote on the transaction but postponed the meeting to April 8, 2010, implying that two-thirds of the shareholder vote needed for approval wasn't yet secured. On April 6, 2010, the deal was terminated, and Cedar Fair paid $6.5 million to reimburse Apollo for expenses incurred from the proposed transaction. Cedar Fair also adopted a unitholder rights plan as a preventative measure to help protect unitholders in the event of any future hostile takeover.

On September 16, 2011, JMA Ventures, LLC entered into an agreement to purchase California's Great America from Cedar Fair and take ownership of the Gilroy Gardens management contract. The agreement required approval of Santa Clara's city council which was scheduled to vote on the matter on December 6, 2011. However, JMA canceled its plans to purchase Great America and bowed out of the agreement.

Matt Ouimet era
On June 20, 2011, Cedar Fair announced that long term CEO Dick Kinzel would retire on January 3, 2012, and that Matt Ouimet would take his spot as the CEO of Cedar Fair. Ouimet had been employed by The Walt Disney Company for 17 years, including serving as president of Disney Cruise Line and president of the Disneyland Resort. He officially became CEO on January 3. Cedar Fair launched new websites for their parks in 2012 as well as a new marketing campaign, Thrills Connect.

On November 20, 2012, Cedar Fair announced it had sold its Knott's Soak City: San Diego location to SeaWorld Parks & Entertainment. About nine months later, Cedar Fair announced it had sold its Knott's Soak City: Palm Springs location to CNL Lifestyle Properties. Cedar Fair's portfolio, according to an SEC report filed in 2013, contained eleven amusement parks, four outdoor water parks, one indoor water park, and five hotels.

On September 5, 2016, Cedar Fair closed Wildwater Kingdom, the last operating part of the former Geauga Lake & Wildwater Kingdom. A portion of the land that once contained both properties has since been redeveloped.

Richard Zimmerman era
On October 4, 2017, Cedar Fair announced that Ouimet would step down as CEO and be succeeded by COO Richard Zimmerman on January 1, 2018. Ouimet would remain with the company, taking the newly created position of executive chairman of the board of directors.

On March 27, 2019, Cedar Fair announced it was purchasing the land occupied by California's Great America from the City of Santa Clara. The 112 acres beneath the park cost $150 million. Cedar Fair had been previously leasing the land from the County of Santa Clara for 6 to 7 million per year.

In April, 2019, Cedar Fair announced a partnership with Feld Entertainment to bring a Monster Jam Thunder Alley Area to select Cedar Fair parks.

On June 13, 2019, it was announced that Cedar Fair had signed a $261 million deal with Schlitterbahn Waterparks and Resorts to buy their Galveston and New Braunfels locations, with the option to buy Schlitterbahn Kansas City for an additional $6 million, and the rights to the Schlitterbahn name.

On July 2, 2019, it was announced that Cedar Fair had acquired the Sawmill Creek Resort in Huron, Ohio. The property cost $13.5 million.

In October 2019, Six Flags offered to buy Cedar Fair for $4 billion, however the offer was turned down.

On July 29, 2021, Cedar Fair announced the submission of plans to the City of Sandusky to build a $28 million esports arena expansion of the Cedar Fair Sports Center. Targeted opening in the first half of 2023

On December 31, 2021, the contract to manage Gilroy Gardens expired. Both Gilroy Gardens Inc., the nonprofit that owns the park, and Cedar Fair agreed not to renew the contract.

On February 1, 2022, news broke that SeaWorld Parks & Entertainment made an unsolicited all-cash bid to buy Cedar Fair for $3.4 billion. Exactly two weeks later, on February 15, 2022, SeaWorld Parks & Entertainment issued a statement that the offer had been rejected.

In June 2022, the company announced that it was selling the land occupied by California's Great America to Prologis, a real estate development company, for $310 million. Cedar Fair signed an 11-year lease from the buyer and intends to close the park at the conclusion of the lease.

On November 2, 2023, Cedar Fair announced plans to merge with Six Flags, forming a new company and retaining the Six Flags name. Described as a "merger of equals", former Cedar Fair management will remain in control of the new company, which will be headquartered in Charlotte, North Carolina, a site once occupied by Paramount Parks before being acquired by Cedar Fair in 2006. Some financial and administrative operations will continue to reside in Sandusky, Ohio. The combined company was projected to have 27 amusement parks, 15 water parks, and 9 resort properties in its portfolio and would operate under the Six Flags name with plans to use Cedar Fair's stock exchange ticker symbol, FUN. President and CEO of Cedar Fair, Richard Zimmerman, will serve as President and CEO of the new combined company, while Selim Bassoul, President and CEO of Six Flags, would become the executive chairman of the company's board of directors. On July 1, 2024, the merger was successfully completed.

Fast Lane
Fast Lane is an expedited queue system in use at parks formerly associated with Cedar Fair. It was first announced for Kings Island on July 18, 2011. The park served as the testing park for the system. For an increased cost, visitors get a wrist band which gives them the ability to wait in a shorter queue for most attractions. Originally, it could only be used from noon to 7:00 PM, but it was soon expanded to be available all day. Fast Lane would be rolled out to all Cedar Fair parks for the 2012 season. There is also Fright Lane, which is Fast Lane for the haunted attractions during the Halloween events. For the 2016 season, Cedar Fair began testing all season Fast Lane at Valleyfair and Dorney Park. By the 2019 season, all parks offered all season Fast Lane.

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Nizami

Nizami (Persian: نظامی) may refer to:

People

 * Nizami (name)
 * Nizami Ganjavi, Persian poet
 * Nezami Aruzi, Persian author and poet
 * Khwaja Hasan Nizami, Sufi Saint from Delhi, India
 * Khwaja Hasan Sani Nizami, Sufi Shaykh from Delhi, India

Places

 * Nizami raion, a settlement and rayon in Baku, Azerbaijan
 * Nizami, Goranboy, a village and municipality in the Goranboy Rayon of Azerbaijan
 * Nizami, Sabirabad, a village and municipality in the Sabirabad Rayon of Azerbaijan
 * Nizami Order, a Sufi order in South Asia
 * Nizami, Armenia, a village in the Ararat Province of Armenia
 * Nezami, Iran, a village in Semnan Province, Iran

Other uses

 * Nizami (opera)
 * Dars-i-Nizami, an Islamic study curriculum used in South Asia
 * 3770 Nizami, an asteroid
 * Nizami Museum of Azerbaijan Literature, in Baku, Azerbaijan
 * Nizami Mausoleum, built in honor of Nizami Ganjavi in Ganja, Azerbaijan
 * Nizami Gəncəvi (Baku Metro), built in honor of Nizami Ganjavi in Baku, Azerbaijan
 * Nizami (Plural: Nizamis) - People who were serving Nizam of Hyderabad in various capacities
 * Nizami (film)

title: Nizami


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Deficit Reduction Act

The Deficit Reduction Act may refer to various pieces of United States legislation, including:
 * Deficit Reduction Act of 1984
 * Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Deficit Reduction Act of 1985
 * Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993
 * Deficit Reduction Act of 2005

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USS Essex (1799)

The first USS Essex of the United States Navy was a 36-gun or 32-gun sailing frigate that participated in the Quasi-War with France, the First Barbary War, and in the War of 1812. The British captured her in 1814 and she then served as HMS Essex until sold at public auction on 6 June 1837.

Service history
The frigate was built by Enos Briggs, Salem, Massachusetts, at a cost of $139,362 subscribed by the people of Salem and Essex County, to a design by James Hackett. Essex was armed with mostly short-range carronades that could not hope to match the range of 18- and 24-pounder naval guns. She was launched on 30 September 1799. On 17 December 1799 she was presented to the United States Navy and accepted by Captain Edward Preble.

Quasi War:On 22 December she departed Salem, Massachusetts for Newport, Rhode Island. On 28 December she joined USS Congress at Newport. On 6 January 1800, Essex, under the command of Captain Preble, departed Newport, Rhode Island, in company with USS Congress (1799) to escort a convoy of merchant ships to Batavia, Dutch East Indies. Congress was dismasted only a few days out, Essex was obliged to continue her voyage alone. Sometime in early-mid February, Essex became the first US Naval ship to cross the Equator, being 16 deg. south of the Equator by the 14th. On 11 March she sighted the Cape of Good Hope and anchored at Cape Town. Due to poor quality of masts and rigging, similar to those problems suffered by USS Congress, she spent a week effecting repairs. On 24 March a heavy gale hit Cape Town capsizing and sinking her launch, the crew was saved with difficulty by HMS Diomede (1798)'s barge. She departed Cape Town 28 March. She was the first US man-of-war to double the Cape of Good Hope, both in March and in August 1800 prior to successfully completing her convoy mission in November. On 6 May, 1800 she encountered a former American ship that had been captured, condemned for sale in Court and had a French Captain who claimed the ship was now Dutch owned. The next day Essex took control of the ship and entered the Sunda Strait. On 16 May she arrived at Batavia, Dutch East Indies.

First Barbary War
Captain William Bainbridge commanded Essex on her second cruise, whereon she sailed to the Mediterranean with the squadron of Commodore Richard Dale. Dispatched to protect American trade and seamen against depredations by the Barbary pirates, the squadron arrived at Gibraltar on 1 July 1801 and spent the ensuing year convoying American merchantmen and blockading Tripolitan ships in their ports. Following repairs at the Washington Navy Yard in 1802, Essex resumed her duties in the Mediterranean under Captain James Barron in August 1804. She participated in the Battle of Derne on 27 April 1805, and remained in those waters until the conclusion of peace terms in 1806.

Returning to the Washington Navy Yard in July, she was placed in ordinary until February 1809, when she was recommissioned for sporadic use in patrolling American waters and a single cruise to Europe.

War of 1812
When war was declared against Britain on 18 June 1812, Essex, commanded by Captain David Porter, made a successful cruise to the southward. On 11 July near Bermuda she fell in with seven British transports (Silverside being one) and by moonlight engaged and took one of them as a prize. On 13 August she encountered and captured the sloop HMS Alert (1804) after an engagement. By September, when she returned to New York, Essex had taken ten prizes. The youngest member of the Essex crew was 10-year-old midshipman David Glasgow Farragut, who would become the first admiral of the US Navy. Farragut, who was Captain Porter's foster son, remained with the ship for the next two years.

Essex sailed in South Atlantic waters and along the coast of Brazil until January 1813. On 11 December 1812 she captured the Post Office Packet Service packet Nocton as Nocton was returning to England from Rio de Janeiro. The Americans removed the specie that she was carrying (about £16,000) and some of her crew.

Essex then sailed to the Pacific where she decimated the British whaling fleet there. Although her crew suffered greatly from a shortage of provisions and heavy gales while rounding Cape Horn, she anchored safely at Valparaíso, Chile, on 14 March, having seized the whaling schooner Elizabeth, and the Peruvian man-of-war Nereyda along the way. Nereyda had captured two American whalers, Walker and Barclay, only to have the British whaler and privateer Nimrod take Walker. Nereyda had sent Barclay to Callao, where Porter was able to capture her before she could enter port. He sent a disarmed Nereyda back to the Peruvian authorities as a gesture of good will. He searched for Nimrod and Walker, but was unable to find them. At Valparaiso Essex landed the crew members that she had taken off Nocton.

In the next five months, Essex captured thirteen British whalers, including USS Essex Junior, (ex-Atlantic) which cruised in company with her captor; Porter put his executive officer, John Downes, in command of Essex Junior. The two ships and nine of their prizes put in at the island of Nuku Hiva in the Marquesas Islands on 25 October 1813 for repairs. While they were there, their crews became involved in a local dispute that resulted in the Nuku Hiva Campaign, which temporarily established the United States' first colony and naval base in the Pacific Ocean. Essex and Essex Junior departed Nuku Hiva in mid-December 1813.

In January 1814, Essex sailed into neutral waters at Valparaíso, only to be trapped there for six weeks by the British frigate HMS Phoebe (1795) (36 guns), under Captain James Hillyar, and the sloop-of-war HMS Cherub (1806) (18 guns) commanded by Thomas Tucker. On 28 March 1814, Porter determined to gain the open sea, fearing the arrival of British reinforcements. Upon rounding the point, Essex lost her main top-mast to foul weather and was brought to action just north of Valparaíso.

Despite Porter's complaints to the US Navy on several occasions, Essex was armed almost entirely with powerful but short-range 32-pounder carronades that gave Phoebe, armed with long 18-pounders, a decisive advantage at long range. For $22/94$ hours, Phoebe and Cherub bombarded Essex from long range, where Essex could only resist with her few long 12-pounders. Fires twice erupted aboard Essex, at which point about fifty men abandoned the ship and swam for shore, only half of them landing; the British saved sixteen. Eventually, the hopeless situation forced Porter to surrender. Essex had suffered 58 dead and 31 missing of her crew of 214. The British lost four men dead and seven wounded on Phoebe, and one dead and three wounded on Cherub.

The then Lieutenant William Bolton Finch was said to have served with distinction on the Essex between 1812 and 1814.

British service and fate
Because Essex was stored and provisioned for six months, and capable of sailing to Europe without "the slightest cause for alarm", Captain Hillyar placed Lieutenant C. Pearson in command of her for the voyage to England, supported by acting lieutenant Allen Francis Gardiner. Essex arrived in England in November. There, the Admiralty had her repaired and taken into the Royal Navy as HMS Essex.

The Royal Navy never fitted her for sea, but re-classed her as a 42-gun ship. She served as a troopship on 7 July 1819. She was hulked at Cork to serve as a prison ship in Ireland in October 1823, and between 1824 and 1834 served in this capacity at Kingstown. On 6 June 1837 she was sold at public auction for £1,230.

During early 21st century resurfacing work on the east pier of Dún Laoghaire harbour, Essex's permanent mooring anchor was discovered embedded in the pier.

In literature and popular culture
Herman Melville wrote about Essex in "Sketch Fifth" in The Encantadas, focusing on an incident off the Galápagos Islands with an elusive British ship. The story was first published in 1854 in Putnam's Magazine.

Patrick O'Brian adapted the story of Essex's attack on British whalers for his novel The Far Side of the World.

The 1950 American film Tripoli is a fictionalized account of the Battle of Derne, and USS Essex is shown in it.

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German Shorthaired Pointer

The German Shorthaired Pointer or Deutsch Kurzhaar is a German breed of pointing dog of medium size. It originated in the nineteenth century in what is now Germany. It is an all-purpose gun dog suitable for hunting and retrieving on both land and water. It may also be kept as a companion dog.

History
German hunters spent generations crossing different breeds until the GSP came during the 1800s. They were successful to the point that the GSP is among the top-winning breeds in competitive hunting events. According to the American Kennel Club, it is likely that the GSP is descended from a breed known as the German Bird Dog, which itself is related to the Old Spanish Pointer, introduced to Germany in the 17th century. The breed was officially recognized by the American Kennel Club in 1930.

In 1878, at the annual dog show of the Verein zur Veredelung der Hunderassen in Frankfurt am Main, it was agreed that breed standards for German dogs would be established at the show to be held in Hannover in 1879; standards for both the Deutsch Kurzhaar and the Deutsch Langhaar were introduced in that year. The first stud-book for the Kurzhaar was published in 1897.

The Kurzhaar was definitively accepted by the Fédération Cynologique Internationale in 1954. In 2013 it was in twenty-second place on a list of the most-registered dog breeds world-wide. In the fifteen years from 2007 to 2021, the annual number of new registrations in Germany averaged about $62 cm$, with a low of $58 cm$ and a high of $1,300$.

In 2016, CJ, a three-year-old German Shorthaired Pointer, won the Best in Show award at the 140th Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show.

Characteristics
The German Shorthaired Pointer is of medium size: dogs stand some $1,102$ at the withers, bitches some 3 or 4 cm less. The coat is short and flat with a dense undercoat protected by stiff guard hairs, making the coat water resistant and allowing the dog to stay warm in cold weather. That allows the dog to be an agile hunter, with high performance in both field and water. The coat can be a dark brown with some lighter brown colors, referred to as "liver" (incorrectly as "chocolate" or "chestnut"), black, white, liver roan, or liver and white.

German Shorthaired Pointers have a short coat that comes in various combinations, generally a mix of liver and white. They have moderately long floppy ears set high on the head. A long, broad, and strong muzzle allows retrieval of heavier game. The dog's profile should be straight or strongly Roman nosed; any dished appearance to the profile is incorrect according to breed standards. Their eyes are generally brown, with darker ones being desirable; yellow or "bird of prey" eyes are a fault. The tail is commonly docked, although that is now prohibited in some countries. In competition, they are penalized if the tail is curved either up or down while the dog is moving. When the GSP is in classic point stance, the tail should be held straight out from the body, forming a line with the pointing head and body. Like all German pointers, GSPs have webbed feet, and are known for going after waterfowl in the water.

Most German Shorthaired Pointers are tough, healthy dogs, but the breed can be subject to a number of hereditary disorders. Some of these health disorders include, hypothyroidism, hip dysplasia, osteochondrosis dissecans, pannus, progressive retinal atrophy, epilepsy, skin disorders and cancerous lesions in the mouth, on the skin and other areas of the body.

A genetic form of lupus, termed exfoliative cutaneous lupus erythematosus has also been recognized in this breed.

A 2024 UK study found a life expectancy of 13.4 years for the breed compared to an average of 12.7 for purebreeds and 12 for crossbreeds.

Use
Like the other German pointers (the German Wirehaired Pointer and the less well-known German Longhaired Pointer), the GSP can perform virtually all gun dog roles. It is a pointer and retriever, an upland bird dog, and water dog. The GSP can be used for hunting larger and more dangerous game. It is an excellent swimmer but also works well in rough terrain. It is tenacious, tireless, hardy, and reliable.

title: German Shorthaired Pointer