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Again, welcome! —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान) 01:40, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

 * I, for one, would like to thank you for great work you're doing adding the intermediary PIA forms and missing PII reconstructions. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask! --Victar (talk) 16:02, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

 * Wow, a great improvement! Maybe we should work harder as well! Perhaps the Rigveda itself is Proto-Indo-Aryan! --Kwékwlos 17:50, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The Wiktionary Project is a team effort, so having a way to communicate with contributors is essential. Rigveda is OIA, which includes all the Sanskrit dialects. PIA includes includes both OIA and . Although the line between PIA and OIA is rather blurry, as Mitanni is scantily attested (we mostly only know about the retention of diphthongs), at the very least we can include archaisms found in MIA that we don't see in Sanskrit, i.e. no kṣ-merger. --Victar (talk) 18:53, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Null value in desc
If an entry can be reconstructed, please do not null out desc, as you did. Best to simply leave it blank if you cannot yourself. Thanks. --Victar (talk) 17:11, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Kwékwlos, 🇨🇬 is reconstructible using Hittie an Lydian, so please don't null it out in desc as you did . --Victar (talk) 16:38, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Hyphens
Please do not remove hyphens showing morphological boundaries, ex.,. --Victar (talk) 21:35, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Hindi etymologies
Please don't change hi to hi. For convenience we take Sanskrit to be all Old Indo-Aryan, so Hindi is in our system a direct descendant of Sanskrit (even though in actuality it may be descended from a particular OIA dialect that is not attested). —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान) 22:48, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Earlier forms
Hey Kwékwlos, please don't reference earlier forms when the later form is a predictable outcome, like the loss of laryngeals before *ǵ. We only do that for random outcomes, like a metathesis. Thanks. --Victar (talk) 00:59, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The accent shift in PIA on i/u-steams is also predictable. Please don't reference earlier forms for that either. Thanks. --Victar (talk) 05:42, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Was hoping I wouldn't have to bring this up again, but please don't add earlier forms to etymologies when the outcome is predictable. -- 06:25, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

inh vs. der
Hey Kwékwlos, inh should only be used when they are directly inherited (see template usage notes). So 🇨🇬 is derived from PIE, not inherited. --Victar (talk) 05:27, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
 * If you skip morphological steps in a etymology, it's correct to use "ultimately from". Please don't delete those. Thanks! --Victar (talk) 18:45, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Language codes
Please stop changing language codes on entries. If someone used a particular language code in an etymology or descendants tree, there is probably a reason and you should ask them for going around changing them. Thanks. --Victar (talk) 13:48, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

"Borrowed from hi"
The prevailing standard is just "From hi." Not sure about other languages but that's what I've always done for Hindi. My reasoning is that it automatically categorizes into a borrowing category so the "Borrowing/Borrowed from" is redundant. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान) 01:43, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * , typing in "Borrowed from" is pretty standard for most languages. I much prefer it because it's useful information that is otherwise lost -- most people aren't going to look at the categories to find that out. --Victar (talk) 03:18, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * , right, it does provide an emphasis for distinguishing borrowed words from derived words instead of just scrolling to the bottom for the category. --Kwékwlos 10:12, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * And that is what the template used to have automatically before the text was removed. I agree in principle, but I make a lot of Hindi entries and want to save time typing. But I'll use "Borrowed from" from now on if you insist. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान) 14:54, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * , I agree that typing in "Borrowed from" every time is a pain, but if you recall, I didn't vote for its removal! =P --Victar (talk) 14:58, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

only applied to PIA, and not PII. --Victar (talk) 16:08, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * , How do you prove that it applies to PIA and not PII? Ancient Greek already has it. And also, forms like PII would yield PIA  (Sanskrit ), which looks strange as PIA *ź occurs only with aspiration or in clusters. So I do see Grassmann's law as necessary in PII. --Kwékwlos 16:13, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It's widely accepted that the that applies to Greek is separate innovation from the one that is found in Sanskrit. One example of how we know it didn't apply to PII is because we find *x- for *kʰ-Cʰ in PIr. --Victar (talk) 16:26, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Deleting pages instead of moving them
DO NOT delete pages instead of moving them. I warned you before about this. Please do not do it again. --Victar (talk) 16:29, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Can you please add sources to your entry? Thanks. --Victar (talk) 01:52, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Kwékwlos, please address this entry and the other entries you created. All proto entries should be sourced, otherwise they may be nominated for deletion. --Victar (talk) 15:43, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * You think you have the skill to do this now? -- 20:15, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Derived terms
Terms in the Derived terms list should be clickable links. --Victar (talk) 15:57, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Proto-Anatolian
You're making quite a few mistakes with your Proto-Anatolian reconstructions. Please do some more research before continuing. --Victar (talk) 08:51, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

RUKI
RUKI was not triggered by laryngeals. Instead, it was an active rule that lasted well into the development of PII languages after the loss of laryngeals. You could argue that "syllabic laryngeals" triggered RUKI as well, but that's not currently how we reconstruct PII as we do not reconstruct syllabic laryngeals. Thanks. --Victar (talk) 17:11, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Forgive me, but the reflexes show (š/ṣ), so I thought that the reconstruction needed an *š. I do note that Nuristani keeps the *s instead of Indic and Iranian. Sorry if I had to disappoint you; it was my mistake, but please, in the descendants section, use desc instead of cog. Thanks. --Kwékwlos 17:16, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * LOL, yes, I will use desc, the template I helped create, instead of cog. --Victar (talk) 17:50, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Sourced content
When a reconstruction has a cite attached to it, do not change the reconstruction. I've had to revert you several times for that now. Please stop. --Victar (talk) 13:09, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, my mistake. Recently I had to research for my thesis and learned of this recently. --Kwékwlos 13:16, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and good luck. --Victar (talk) 14:56, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Accentuation
Where did you get the accentuation for Reconstruction:Proto-Balto-Slavic/blēˀtei? —Rua (mew) 11:09, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

 * Rua, the accentuation is present on the first vowel, because the verbal suffix *-ti/*-tei does not get an accent (at least, in the present third person form). We know that there is one vowel preceding the verbal suffix, and it should be accented like in PIE. I haven't seen a case of *-ti receiving an accent on the *i. The verbal suffix is an example of an accentless marker; it does not receive an accent. --Kwékwlos 11:29, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * You realise that the Balto-Slavic infinitive ending has nothing to do with the PIE 3rd person ending *-ti? —Rua (mew) 12:13, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, so at some stage, Balto-Slavic changed the standard verb ending to *-tei? Are there any cases in which that ending receives an accent? --Kwékwlos 12:17, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Proto-Slavic has the accent on the ending. This probably reflects a retention from Balto-Slavic, but I wasn't sure so I left the BS form unaccented. The BS infinitive comes from a case form of, and I believe it was an oblique case form so in theory the ending should always be accented originally. But Balto-Slavic has many accent-movement rules so the PIE situation doesn't generally get preserved in BS. —Rua (mew) 12:21, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Should have discarded the accent, thanks for that. Though I do believe in an innovation in Slavic if Baltic evidence does not corroborate. --Kwékwlos 12:24, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Balto-Slavic accentology is a huge, messy, muddy topic, so I advise you to stay well away from it. Even modern linguists haven't worked it all out yet. —Rua (mew) 12:26, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Sourcing reconstructions
Kwékwlos, when creating reconstructed entries, please. If you cannot, it may be best to keep them to the descendants list of a sourced ancestor. --Victar (talk) 17:27, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Pre-Germanic
Per my earlier petition above, please do not add earlier forms to an etymology unless there is some unpredicted irregular intermediary form. Case in point with the Pre-Germanic forms you are. --Victar (talk) 18:15, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Inflection and declension
Inflection and declension sections serve the same purpose and should not appear side by side in an entry. It's one or the other. If one of these sections already exists, use that one instead of creating another. —Rua (mew) 19:15, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Japonic dialects
Hello! I am curious as to what source you are using for these words. —Suzukaze-c◇◇ 06:53, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Whoops, hi! My sources are from JLect and Nevskiy's Miyakoan dictionary. The problem with Japanese kana is that there is no standard orthography to denote all Ryukyuan sounds, and that the pronunciations can be found in the Wikipedia pages. But making references is hard, it does take too much time. Kwékwlos (talk) 06:59, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Cool. I had figured that one of the sources might be JLect; There's actually been discussion about JLect's stuff before, which you might be interested in reading. (I personally don't believe I know enough to comment more on the matter.) —Suzukaze-c◇◇ 07:07, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/yem-
I added the asterisk to because the nominative form is unattested and it should not be removed. I've also warned you about this several times now, DO NOT change cited forms. Please do not continue to do this. Lastly, is the correct reconstruction, not **yaśćáti. The development was *sḱ > *sĉ > *ŝĉ > *śś > *ćś > c(c)h. -- 05:55, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

in non-Japanese entries
Hi, I've seen that you've been using in non-Japanese entries. I think there should be new templates made for each of the Japonic lects or a language-neutral template made. The links produced by this template are currently linking to Japanese, which is not right. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 06:57, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Compound word etymologies
Kwékwlos, though I appreciate you trying to be a completionist, if a compound or suffixed word has blue links to its elements, please don't go in and put the whole etymology in the each word in there. It's redundant and just clutters up entries. -- 14:41, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Please be careful with your etymologies
I've seen several mistakes in your recent changes even though I'm not super-familiar with Proto-Balto-Slavic and such. For example, you have changed o to a in Proto-Balto-Slavic etymologies even though the convention that appears to be followed here is to reconstruct *o, and in some cases you appear to be mechanically constructing Proto-Balto-Slavic etymologies by carrying the reconstructed PIE form forward. In another case, in Proto-Slavic *ložiti, you put ź which is clearly wrong (it should be g, both based on the PIE form and the Slavic form). One change that looks glaringly suspect is renaming Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/snusós to Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/snuséh₂. Can you review some of his/her recent changes and let me know what you think? Thanks! Benwing2 (talk) 02:01, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 * At the very least, the rename of that page without any further changes to the sourcing is wrong, because now it says that Ringe reconstructs the new form, which is clearly not true. As for Balto-Slavic, the norm is to reconstruct short *a, since no Balto-Slavic languages show any distinction between *o and *a. Derksen still distinguishes them, but gives no justification. —Rua (mew) 15:32, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 * We don't tolerate reconstructions such as *wʔitis, so it's natural to follow orthographic conventions and reconstruct it as *witis. Different authors use different reconstructions, but we can cite their alternative forms while converting them to standard Wiktionary conventions. I know I may be imperfect, but I am still learning! Kwékwlos (talk) 15:39, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Proto entries with no sources
Kwékwlos, you're still going around creating proto entries with no sources attached to them. Case in point, these Proto-Albanian, Proto-Japonic, and Proto-Ryukyuan you're adding. Please desist. -- 08:05, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Japonic/tukoru
Thanks for you valuable work in Proto-Japonic entries (as usual), but this reconstruction is confusing. How can the k > f change in Miyako be explained, as k should only become f before original /u/, not an original /o/? mellohi! (僕の乖離) 19:07, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Normally, sequences of the type CuCuCV in Japanese (such as kusuri) are realized in Japonic as *CuCoCV (c.f. ). The case in Yaeyama is straightforward: *kï would be expected instead of ku in tsïkuri. Proto-Miyako seems to have innovated via *CuCoCV > *CuCuCV, as in Japanese. For Northern Ryukyuan, Okinawan has the same ku where *chi would be expected if one assumes *tukuru. Therefore, *tukoru should be the reconstructed form as it regularly correlates with *kusori. Kwékwlos (talk) 22:20, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Any other examples of a Miyako CuCoCV > CuCuCV shift? mellohi! (僕の乖離) 01:37, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Yaeyama etc. forms
Where do you get your Yaeyama, Yonaguni, etc. words from? Is there a dictionary anywhere? mellohi! (僕の乖離) 14:18, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

See Nevskiy's Miyakoan dictionary, don't know what to put on sources with. But the forms marked with (Ya) mean Yaeyama. Kwékwlos (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, forgot to check Nevsky. Thanks! mellohi! (僕の乖離) 14:42, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Final -o1 in Japonic words/roots/mophemes/whatever
Please do not sweepingly reconstruct these as /wa/, the four-vowel Proto-Japonic theory that leads insinuates that all of these must derive from /wa/ has been obsolete for many years now. Pellard 2013 and 2018, Frellesvig and Whitman 2010, Russell 2006, and Vovin all reconstruct Proto-Japonic /o/. mellohi! (僕の乖離) 19:36, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Alright then. Kwékwlos (talk) 22:30, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-Iranian/bʰardʰaH
This is just bad linguistics, man, and unsourced, as usual. -- 16:30, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Warning
You're continuing to add absurd, unsourced etymologies, like at Reconstruction:Proto-Japonic/pirə and Reconstruction:Proto-Japonic/pitə (both of which I have removed), as well as other content unlikely to meet WT:CFI, like Sanskrit. None of this is acceptable. From now on, if you want to add an etymology for a protolanguage or create a reconstruction page, include a source, and make sure any mainspace entry you create is attested. If you're unsure, you can always ask first. If, however, you persist in the problematic behaviour described above, you will be blocked. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 15:03, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Japanese pada etymology
You added,. I'm curious:

 * Initial *b in what language?
 * Discredited by whom?

Curious, ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 20:29, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Well, the notion that initial w goes back to *b is due to Vovin's Proto-Japonic reconstruction which assumes a relationship within the discredited Altaic family. It was made to explain similarities such as *ban[u] (now *wanu) "I" and Turkish ben "id." on the basis of Southern Ryukyuan forms such as Miyako ban. Even Proto-Ryukyuan points to an original *w, which disproves the evidence that *b existed as an initial consonant in Proto-Japonic. Similarly, we don't reconstruct *d for initial *y because back in the 1500s, a group of Korean fishermen recorded the name of Yonaguni with a zy- sound, clearly a transitory phase to d, a fortition common to the language (compare *ki > *tsi > *ti) and in Sino-Japanese words. Kwékwlos (talk) 20:35, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

 * Granted, Wikipedia is very down on Altaic as a theory. However, in my reading, I haven't gotten the impression that Altaic is wholly discredited.  That said, I don't think Altaic is even all that relevant -- there is evidence separately within Korean and within Japanese for  ↔  variation.  For now, I've reworded a bit, and I've removed the mention of /*b/, since that's just confusing without substantially more context, which I don't think would fit very well in this etym section.  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 20:17, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

CHV
FYI, I've been moving back the various CHV entries because there maybe be some evidence for their retention. -- 16:37, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

You mean due to metrics in the Rigveda? Kwékwlos (talk) 16:53, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Japonic term for squid
You stated in your pagemove reason on that Proto-Japonic /i/ would become /n/ in front of /k/ word-initially in the Ryukyuan languages. Any other examples of this? mellohi! (僕の乖離) 07:18, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Let me see: We know that word-initial *u assimilates in Ryukyuan, such as *uma > mma, but that *omi > umi or un. If it was *e, then we would expect /i/ not assimilating to the second consonant. It seems that a lot of PJ words that have word-initial /i/ reflexes in Japanese begin as */e/. I would personally consider *eka as one. Kwékwlos (talk) 08:24, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Are there any examples you can provide of *i undergoing those assimilations to /n/ specifically in front of /k/? The assimilations you provide are in front of nasals. mellohi! (僕の乖離) 19:06, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I have yet to find a case in which Japanese initial /i/ corresponds to Japonic *i. So far, can't think of any. Sorry if my extrapolation was wrong. Kwékwlos (talk) 19:09, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * (chiming in belatedly -- *uma > mma is probably not a great example, since this appears to be derived from Middle Chinese in such a way that the initial  was emphasized -- even mainland Japanese may have been realized as mma, and the kana realizations うま and むま were both in use during the Heian period.  See also mainland Japanese, which likely also came from Middle Chinese and had a similar phonological path with うめ and むめ in free variation.) ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 18:07, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Okinawa for is ʔnmi (< PR . Clearly not any Chinese word. In addition, Yamatohama /ʔumi/ (id.; source here; also can go from PR ; pron also means 'sea'); Nakijin /ʔumi:/; (id.; source here)
 * I don't think PR *i- assimilates. Any thoughts in 2023 @Kwékwlos?
 * I also realized Ryukyuan cognates of tentative *Eka 'in which (way); 如何' point to *ika, not *eka, from what I remember. Chuterix (talk) 05:11, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Hirt's law
It gets a bit complicated with Hirt's law in nominals. Usually, the accent retraction happens and then the word is converted to the fixed accent paradigm. But there are also cases where the retraction appears to have been undone and the mobile paradigm restored, like and, both of which are mobile. In the case of your change appears to be correct, but this is just a heads-up that Hirt's law doesn't always apply the way you expect. —Rua (mew) 09:57, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Hmm... can you explain the factors that cause another retraction? Kwékwlos (talk) 09:58, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Which other retraction? —Rua (mew) 10:04, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The "son" word in PBSl. that you mentioned earlier. Kwékwlos (talk) 10:06, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * In Slavic, at least according to Jasanoff, the accent on the stem is from the accusative form, where the stem accent is a regular inheritance from Balto-Slavic. The same substitution is found in o-stems and i-stems as well. The Lithuanian accent of i- and u-stems thus reflects the original situation, while the stem accent in Lithuanian o-stems is explained as coming from the neuters, which merged into the masculines.
 * Olander, on the other hand, posits that the accent should have been on the stem in the o-, i- and u-stems in Balto-Slavic. The ending accent of the i- and u-stems in Lithuanian would then be irregular, while the stem accent of Slavic is regular, as is the stem accent of the a-stems in Lithuanian.
 * So you can see there isn't really a clear picture of the situation. The rules for when a form in the mobile paradigm should be stem-accented or ending-accented aren't clear, so different linguists come up with different explanations, that predict different things, and then come up with different explanations for the forms that don't fit the pattern. I can't say which of these two is right, but I find Jasanoff's explanation a bit more plausible. There is evidence to suggest that the o-stems originally did not have the same ending for the nominative and accusative in Proto-Slavic, because there are some masculine names that end in -o in Slavic, and there is also the Old Novgorodian ending -e (which would result from -o after soft stems). This appears to point to an original nominative ending *-o for early Slavic, which was mostly replaced by the accusative ending but not completely. Olander also cannot explain the final accent of the i- and u-stems; there is no obvious model that this could be taken from, other than the ā-stems. The stem accent of a-stems, on the other hand, is very well explained by the influx of neuter nouns in Jasanoff's position.
 * Now, as to why the word for "son" is mobile and not fixed, this is explained by Jasanoff with the relative ordering of sound changes. According to him, the split of PIE words into fixed and mobile paradigms, and the subsequent redistribution of stem-accented and end-accented forms, happened before Hirt's law. Thus, when Hirt's law operated, this resulted in more stem-accented forms, but some ending-accented forms remained (i.e. those in which the ending had more than one syllable). Jasanoff then says that such paradigms could either be converted to a fixed accent, or, based on the remaining ending-accented forms, the "proper" mobile paradigm could be restored. It is not entirely clear if this restoration occurred by the late Proto-Balto-Slavic period, but for simplicity we can assume that it did.
 * This restoration only appears to have happened in nouns. In verbs, mobile paradigms do have the retracted accent on the stem in the infinitive, while unretracted infinitives have ending accent. On the other hand, fixed paradigm verbs have stem accent in the infinitive regardless of Hirt's law, apparently by analogy with the present stem. —Rua (mew) 10:24, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * So it's quite unpredictale, though, because I mostly work with Indo-Iranian, which is a lot easier to explain. Kwékwlos (talk) 10:28, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, Balto-Slavic accentuation is quite complicated, and it only gets worse in Slavic. Things are easy enough when all the Balto-Slavic languages agree, but when there is disagreement, there is no single explanation. "Son" is clearly mobile in all the descendants, and it is more economical to assume that this is the inherited situation in Proto-Balto-Slavic than to say that each of them independently innovated the mobile paradigm. So that part is clear, at least. But then the question of whether the accent is on the ending or the stem in the nominative singular is more tricky. —Rua (mew) 10:41, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Japanese internal etymologies
Please do not make up internal (i.e. claiming that Japanese terms are made off of other Japanese terms) etymologies for terms, such as what happened at oishii, unless you have demonstrated sufficient fieldwork backing them up. Thank you. Your Proto-Japonic comparative reconstructions are fine; they are not the subject of this reminder. mellohi! (僕の乖離) 18:18, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Nuristani descendants
Kwékwlos, you've been changing up a lot of the Nuristani descendants, which often correspond to the source given, but not providing any new sources of those allegedly attested forms. Please do so or I will start reverting those changes. -- 17:53, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I base it mostly on Strand's dictionary, and they do not list *ti as being part of the verb in Kamviri such as in . Plus, the PN reconstructions given by Strand mostly lack final vowels, and you tend to add them. There is actually no consensus, because no one has come up with a definite reconstruction of PN. Mind if you can help put Strand's source into the references list? Kwékwlos (talk) 17:57, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Than please take the time to cite with a link. In regards to the separate issue of Proto-Nuristani reconstructions, I try and use published works for those, not Strand's website, which is not peer reviewed. -- 18:01, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Alright, can you give me the sources you are using? Kwékwlos (talk) 18:02, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Category:Proto-Nuristani reference templates -- 18:04, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Kwékwlos, I know you're not accustomed for sourcing things, but ===References=== is for inline references. If you're not adding inline references, which you really should be at all times, they belong under ====Further reading==== . -- 18:13, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Additionally, what page are you citing with R:iir-nur:NEL on ? It's a very large website. -- 18:15, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I am very busy with other things so I can't focus on this right now. To be precise, the page is located at https://nuristan.info/lexAlphHdr.html where you click the phoneme labeled /i/ and scrolling until you see the PIE form (*ʔ-ei- "goes"). Kwékwlos (talk) 18:22, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I reverted your edits to . Strand is probably citing the 1sg.pres., not the 3sg.pres., which is why they have no -ti. If you can provide a link that they're in 3sg., I'm happy to restore them. -- 18:23, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, specify them that they are 1sg.pres. One question, where does the -ti come from in the Nuristani reflexes? Kwékwlos (talk) 18:26, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
 * That's a good point, and looking at it, I may have been citing the 3pl. so I've restored your cited forms, though the link you provided does not work. Please provide a functioning one when you can. -- 18:48, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

 * I recommend you hold off on creating Nuristani reconstructions. There is a lot of research that needs to be done first, and again, I will likely delete unsourced reconstructions on sight. -- 18:32, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Pinging you on this again. Please don't create Proto-Nuristani reconstructions before we have an established methodology of doing so. -- 06:28, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * This not responding and just going along your way is going to land you a block, Kwékwlos. -- 05:52, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, don't be too arrogant. I will stop. Kwékwlos (talk) 06:52, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, so you do see things posted to your talk page? Great. -- 07:14, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Move redirects
Kwékwlos, can you please add delete to old redirect pages after readjusting the links to it (using Special:WhatLinksHere). Thanks. -- 20:45, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Again, please add delete to pages you move. -- 06:36, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Babel
Would you add Babel to your user page? It is not mandatory, just useful. --Dan Polansky (talk) 09:07, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

ネーム synonyms
The modern term is. The shorter form is seldom used as a standalone noun in modern usage. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 19:53, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Oops Kwékwlos (talk) 19:54, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Shouldn't this be, since the w is between two obstruents? —Rua (mew) 11:23, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes. It is actually distinct from the labiovelar. Kwékwlos (talk) 11:26, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Proto-Japonic /namuy/?
Curious about, where you added hypothetical /namuy/. What is that term meant to represent? The Amami term appears to be a compound, where the initial na- may be a shortening of. See also the Amami Dialect Dictionary entries for ナー and for ナミン.

What would be the shift from Proto muy to Amami min? Proto correlates to Amami mi, for instance, not min.

Cheers, ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 18:25, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

 * I think -n is a later addition, probably meaning "also" (< Proto-Ryukyuan *mu, compare Japanese mo) What about Japanese words such as ta ~ tame and ka ~ kami? Also, I noticed that PJ *tay is often cited to have an earlier form *tana, just as *kə < *ko̱no̱r according to Vovin. Kwékwlos (talk) 18:29, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

 * Interesting about the possible abbreviation of a particle. Would that consistently produce a noun?  The semantics are odd...
 * I'm not sure which Japanese terms you're referring to.
 * I'm only aware of two possible terms for tame, and .  Neither term has any ta form.
 * There are more possible matches for kami, as, , , . However, again, none of these has any ka form.
 * Regarding 🇨🇬, there are a few old compounding forms that include tana, such as, , , but in all of these, the na is an apophonic form of possessive particle . There is a separate term , but that appears to be a wholly separate etymon unrelated to 🇨🇬 or 🇨🇬.
 * Regariding kə, I'm again at a loss as to what modern term is intended.  could be at least 🇨🇬 or .  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 19:16, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * If you look at the pages for (see the Nanori section) and  (look at Etymology) you will see what I have mentioned before. Kwékwlos (talk) 19:31, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Re:, or indeed any Japanese term at all, nanori are wholly unusable for etymological derivation purposes: names are notoriously loose in spelling.
 * Re: ため, all you the editor says is, "attested alongside with ta." I'm not sure what ta you're the editor is referring to.  Do you have any quotes?  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 20:05, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Not sure, but it is listed here at http://oncoj.ninjal.ac.jp/list-of-words for Old Japanese. Kwékwlos (talk) 20:08, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Very interesting, thank you. Digging around in various page histories, I found . , other than MYS 808, are you aware of any other clear instances of this ta?  I note too that tame was , suggesting that ta ("sake, reason") +  might be a possible derivation.  I don't suppose you've run into anything further about that?  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 20:23, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * KDJ? in Kotobank has an example from the  (the passage begins with “ visited ...”). Here is the selection, it's in the center of the left page. Edo-period manuscript #1 and manuscript #2 of the same Kotobank example. Never thought tame was a compound in my opinion.
 * I edited the た page with the OJP entries with the SN example. ～ POKéTalker（═◉═） 10:49, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * @POKéTalker, thank you! You say, "Never thought tame was a compound in my opinion."  What's your take then on the relationship between these synonyms た and ため?  Is た a shortening of ため?  Is ため derived somehow from た?  Or are they unrelated etyma that just happen to have the same first mora and same meaning?
 * Looking further just at ため, I begin to think this might be a nominalization of the stem of verb たむ, a 下二段活用動詞, of which all the senses have an underlying meaning of "working towards a specific purpose" -- not far from the "reason" sense of ため. See the KDJ entry at Kotobank.
 * If this derivation holds, we might have た as the ancient root, with む as the common verb-forming suffix that's counterpart to ぶ → modern びる and likely cognate with 目 and 見る, "to seem like, to be like; to make something be like something else". ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 16:13, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * it's up to you if you want to edit the た/ため entries with the possibilities you have. In my opinion, either ta is indeed a shortening of tame or is part of tame. ～ POKéTalker（═◉═） 11:05, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

The structure of multi-etym terms
For terms with multiple etymologies, all headers under the etymology should be at level 4 or higher. Do not change these to level 3 (the same as the  header), as you did.

Also, any alternative forms for Japanese are (usually) dependent on reading, which is specific to the etymology. So please do not move alternative forms to the top of the entry, as you did.

Thank you, ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 17:41, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

 * Wait, did you just remove the Proto-Japonic etymology when there are obvious Ryukyuan cognates? Fixed it. Kwékwlos (talk) 17:44, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It was easier to revert your structural goofs in various places in the entry, and then re-add your etymology (plus some more details I'd found) in just the one place. Have another look.  :)  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 17:46, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, nice. I usually use level 3 on most headers and level 4 on declension/descendants in Sanskrit terms. Kwékwlos (talk) 17:47, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Ya, frankly, I've never been a big fan of our structural conventions -- POS header levels are conditional rather than consistent, which is ... I dunno, it seems like poor practice. But it is what it is.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 18:19, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Etymology at χάλιξ
Please take caution to ensure that your edits to etymology templates do not create nonsensical language. "Pre-Greek, perhaps Pre-Greek", from, is not the kind of phrasing one wants in any running text. If you simply wanted to categorise it as a descendant from Pre-Greek, does the trick. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  07:35, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

PII
1. NO SOURCES! 2. we generally don't create entries proto with one descendent -- this would have been best left on the PIE entry. -- 16:58, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

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I'd written the etym there based on my findings in JA sources. Gogen Allguide's entry for 葉, for instance, explicitly calls out a likely relationship between 葉 and 生ゆ. Internal to our entry, it's also a bit odd to say that 葉 is not related to 生ゆ ("to sprout"), and then say that it is related to 歯 and 羽 because all three sprout. What was your basis for, where you changed the "probably cognate" to "probably distinct"? ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 17:45, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Proto-Japonic /tantasi/: may not have existed at Proto stage
I came across the entry and saw your addition of the 🇨🇬 derivation.

I'm not sure the word is old enough for that. first appears in Japanese in 858, and is clearly just + adjective-forming suffix, modern. This term appeared almost exclusively in contexts to start with, suggesting that this was not an everyday term. In addition, a lot of the ～しい adjectives arise around this period as new coinages.

I'm curious, are you aware of any definite reflexes in other Japonic branches? If so, can those be identified as true cognates, rather than either borrowings or convergent constructions?

Cheers, ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 17:46, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

 * Okinawan does, which has tadasun (a verb, though cognate - see http://ryukyu-lang.lib.u-ryukyu.ac.jp/srnh/details.php?ID=SN20208). Kwékwlos (talk) 18:36, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

 * Ah, yes. That's not a cognate with Japanese adjective, but rather with verb , derived from the same root  + transitive / causative verb-forming suffix , the root of modern  and reflected in Okinawan as スン.  That relationship of 🇨🇬 to 🇨🇬 is indicated there at the bottom of the タダスン entry, with the line:

関連標準語： ただす〔正す〕，ただす〔糺す〕

 * The Japanese verb appears already in the  of 720 (per the KDJ entry here), and is much more likely to have come from Proto-Japonic than the adjective. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 21:17, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

 * How are they non-cognate despite sharing a similar root form? Are they false cognates? Kwékwlos (talk) 21:26, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Here's the breakdown, as I currently understand it.
 * RYU tadasun is cognate with JA tadasu, but not with JA tadashii. Both RYU tadasun and JA tadasu are likely inherited from a common ancestor, i.e. Proto-Japonic.
 * RYU tadasun is apparently derived from tada + sun. RYU tada is cognate with JA tada, and RYU -sun is cognate with JA -su.
 * JA tadashii is a coinage within JA. While the tada portion is cognate with RYU tada, the -shii portion is not, and there does not appear to be a RYU word that corresponds wholly with JA tadashii.
 * If there is such a RYU word as a full cognate with JA tadashii, it is not tadasun. The list of adjectives at that site clearly demonstrates that JA ～い adjectives are reflected by RYU ～さん adjectives, such as RYU akasan ↔ JA akai, RYU asasan ↔ JA asai, RYU shirusan ↔ JA shiroi, etc.  The 形容詞 section in the JA WP article on 琉球語 explains that Okinawan adjectives are derived from ～さ + ある, where sa aru becomes san through a collapse of the long vowel, and by the JA ending -ru reflecting as RYU -n (as we also see with JA suru ↔ RYU sun).  Given other apparent RYU cognates for JA ～しい adjectives, such as RYU utunasan ↔ JA otonashii, or RYU wukasan ↔ JA okashii, we would expect to see something like tadasan as the RYU cognate of JA tadashii, but there is no such RYU term listed.
 * HTH, ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 23:37, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Balto-Slavic/jū́ˀga
It's currently unclear what the ending of PBS neuter o-stems was. The ones we had so far all had -a, but Gnosandes has been creating them with -an instead, disrupting the pattern. I advise caution before moving them. —Rua (mew) 13:23, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Oops, fixed. Somehow the declension was changed. Kwékwlos (talk) 13:58, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

it's all in the name of truth :) Gnosandes (talk) 14:44, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

and, Valency theory shows that there should be a mobile accent(!) in your theory 🤔 Gnosandes (talk) 15:02, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * And valency theory is nonsense according to the majority of linguists. Stop pushing your POV. Last warning. —Rua (mew) 15:58, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Alternative forms placement
Just so you know, the old placement of alternative forms at is also allowed, it's not an error. I prefer that format because it treats alternative forms like other synonyms and such. —Rua (mew) 11:08, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

*sibi
I don't think that it's very likely that this term was formed within Proto-West Germanic. That implies that a Proto-Germanic ancestor must have existed, it just left descendants in only one branch. Only when it's likely that terms were formed separately within PWG, by a derivational process that was productive in PWG, should such pages be moved. —Rua (mew) 16:08, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

The one who created this page listed it under the regional term West Proto-Germanic (= Proto-West Germanic), and it is only attested in the WGmc. languages. For example,, which clearly has a PG and PIE antecedent. Kwékwlos (talk) 16:13, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Nuristani again
So you go and decide to move bunch of the Nuristani without ANY discussion? -- 05:56, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Pulled?
In the μέταλλον etymology, where it said "From ," you added the word "pulled." It isn't an etymological term I've ever seen. Did you mean derived? "Pulled from" could also mean 'removed from', implying that it's no longer thought to be of Pre-Greek origin. I think the meaning was clearer before you added "pulled" and it should be reverted. Johanna-Hypatia (talk) 18:41, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Proto-Japonic terms derived from Indo-European languages
I got very excited when I saw this category, but then got disappointed when I saw that it was empty. Did it used to have members? Is it a placeholder for future additions? カモイ (talk) 23:19, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

 * No. Kwékwlos (talk) 06:51, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Albanian Helm hebrew cognating terms removed.
You made a big mistake. Sfentekimta. Sélam oliküm. 58.11.0.44 06:59, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Albanian cognates with Hebrew? Yeah, no, they didn't. -- 07:03, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I never made those, this IP simply posted it on my talk page for no apparent reason. Kwékwlos (talk) 07:21, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

@Victor you are quite stupid, one term, who is linked by a sense, in other language, don't mean that all Albanian cognate with Hebrew, but anyway lot of Arabic term and others in Albanian derive from Hebrew. But you don't have any knowledge of it. Also you don't speak Hebrew or Albanian according to you're Babel level so just shut up arrogant ignorant. I don't talk to you first… @Kwékwlos : Removing some info without any detail in edit (comment), hidden like this, is just wandalism, but anyway, Allah / Êlohim see you where & when you don't see him. I pray him to judge you for this to go in Héll Kwélkos, like your name suggest it. Z.
 * https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=helm&type=revision&diff=53592176&oldid=53479646.
 * Please, don't post pseudolingustic ideas by claiming that all words derive from Hebrew. We all know that Hebrew is not Indo-European (it is Semitic) and therefore not related to Albanian, and the semantics are quite off (poison = trauma?) Cognates don't need to be similar in form, just look at English two = Armenian erku. P.S. Insulting others will get you banned. Kwékwlos (talk) 12:02, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Talk page discussion
Hi Kwékwlos, I recently pinged you on my talk page regarding a debate between me and another Wiktionarian on accents in Albanian entries. Just checking - did you see it? I would appreciate some help/insight, as I am admittedly not experienced with the wider Wiktionary world of proposals and etc. Thank you in advance! ArbDardh (talk) 14:57, 17 August 2020 (UTC)ArbDardh

 * Well, if your topic is on accents in Albanian, you should check professional sources beforehand. I don't have any knowledge of Albanian accent placement, let alone its proto-form. But we do know about Indo-European accents, which appear to have changed alot in the transition to Proto-Albanian, though I can't find any source on that. Kwékwlos (talk) 16:05, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Okinawan terms spelled with KANJI read as READING
You added to a bunch of categories, creating errors. Please be careful to preview before saving when using. I will delete the categories. Benwing2 (talk) 18:44, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Proto-Italic
Stop trying to reconstruct Proto-Italic on your own and putting it in Latin entries. You have no way of knowing whether those formations were internal to Latin or not unless you have other Italic evidence. Just don't add any that aren't in the scholarly literature. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 21:35, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Sorry then, but how about De Vaan? Unfortunately there is a paywall. Kwékwlos (talk) 22:08, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If it's in de Vaan, it's fine to add. I'm sure you can find a PDF of it on Library Genesis or a similar site. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 00:04, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * De Vaan's R:itc:EDL is free. -- Bhagadatta(talk) 15:10, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Proto-Ryukyuan *sabisi
Hello @Kwékwlos,

Can you try to find some descendants/lemmas for Proto-Ryukyuan *sabisi?

Thanks. Chuterix (talk) 18:19, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

 * Jarosz (2016) cites Miyako sabїsї and a Yaeyama cognate sabїssa from Nevskiy. Other than that, I am not aware of others. Kwékwlos (talk) 20:44, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * OK! I’d say if you found some (more) feel free to edit my entry.
 * Added Yaeyama descendant Chuterix (talk) 21:09, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Also this may help: https://assets.researchsquare.com/files/rs-255765/v1/f156a429c380ef9088bd73c0.xlsx Kwékwlos (talk) 21:32, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Yay! Now creating Proto-Japonic entries (at least finding the Ryukyuan descendants) should be easier (as I use Martin (1987) JLTT for Proto-Japonic entries) Chuterix (talk) 21:34, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I’m not sure if whoever reconstructed the words is aware of nasalization and -u- in some instances from -o-. For instance he reconstructed mugi (wheat) as PJ *mugi. Meanwhile you reconstructed mugi as PJ *monki. I know Proto-Japonic is not attested but I’m just wondering. Chuterix (talk) 21:57, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Never mind, unagi (eel) is derived from *unanki. But still missing -u- < -o- element Chuterix (talk) 22:16, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Oops you reconstructed unagi as *unanki too Chuterix (talk) 22:17, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * PJ *mu syncopates in Ryukyuan, while PJ *mo never does (the reflex of both is mu in Japanese when not word-final). Also PJ technically had nasal + voiceless clusters which became prenasalized voiced early on. Kwékwlos (talk) 22:16, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * 1st answer: thus, is it safe to move *monki to *munki/*mugi?
 * 2nd answer: that explains why it got reconstructed as *gi instead of *nki? Chuterix (talk) 22:22, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * And hitsuji got reconstructed as *petunsi. Do you know why certain -i- is from *-e-? As in reconstructed *eku (to go). Chuterix (talk) 22:24, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * *monki seems to be the most widely accepted reconstruction. It wouldn't be a wise idea to redirect the page to *munki/*mugi. For *i remaining as *i in Ryukyuan, there are cases where the vowel triggers palatalization, which *e never does. For Japanese iku, there is an Okinawan cognate ichun which must point to an earlier *iku on account of the palatalized -ch- sound. For *petunsi "sheep", it is straightforward in Japanese, but Ryukyuan is much more complicated. There's a good few tweets by @cppig1995 that explains the development, but he posits mostly borrowings starting from Shuri Okinawan. Kwékwlos (talk) 07:11, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Now I see in the file that wheat is reconstructed as *monki. However barley is reconstructed as *mugi for whatsoever reason. Chuterix (talk) 16:28, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * (chiming in...), the *mugi ↔ *monki confusion that you noticed in the linked Excel list looks like general sloppiness, unfortunately.  Notice that "barley" is given as *mugi in Proto-Japonic but then is given as Ɂuhumuzi in Old Shuri -- this is clearly a reflex of modern JA , OJP opomugi (from opo “big” + mugi “dry-field cereal grain”), not of just plain mugi.  So not only is the reconstruction suspect, but it's also a reconstruction of the wrong word.
 * Considering that this "barley" sense is morphologically derived as "a specific kind of mugi", we must be careful to view the different Ryukyuan forms with a sharp eye. For instance, Hatoma padaka-muŋ looks like it's probably a reflex of modern JA  +, and thus irrelevant to any direct comparison with OJP opomugi ("barley").  Similarly, the Yoron / Mugiya-shima term siimugi appears to include some other element sii-, derivationally separate from OJP opo ("big").
 * HTH, ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 19:00, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

The etymology of your name
Hey ,

Does your name spelling ultimately from 🇨🇬? The spelling looks so familiar. Chuterix (talk) 00:12, 25 November 2022 (UTC) Yes Kwékwlos (talk) 05:48, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Proto-Ryukyuan *naga and Ryukyuan adjective descendant question
Please find Ryukyuan sightings/lemmas for PR *naga (see here), and add them onto that entry. I've only gotten Okinawan, Kunigami, and Yaeyama, from the sources you've answered to other users in this talk page (JLect and Nevisky). But you've literally got (almost) every Ryukyuan descendant in (almost) every Proto-Ryukyuan adjective you've created/modified. So where do you get all of those other descendants besides Okinawan and the like if I can't find any real sightings of that? Any source you didn't mention for finding these sightings? Chuterix (talk) 22:28, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Proto-Ryukyuan *yaki (to burn)
see page here please add ryukyuan descendants, then remove the attention seeking message at the end of the entry source Chuterix (talk) 23:20, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Ryukyuan/paya
See page here

Please edit the descendants section to include the full Ryukyuan list. Thorpe (1983) lists the *paya ~ *paja in page 281. Chuterix (talk) 04:21, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Proto-Ryukyuan *kanasi
Where did you find the word citings for kanasi descendants (see here)? I can't find them anywhere in Thorpe (1983) (at least the vocabulary section). At least the page of RLH, or some other Ryukyuan source? Chuterix (talk) 23:03, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Proto-Ryukyuan *kurusi
See here

Please update descendants section if you can. I can only find an Okinawan lemma pronounced either kucisaN or kurisjaN (assuming my analysis gives us kurisan), from the 沖縄語辞典 データ集, found by searching JLect. Therefore I just put that into descendants. Chuterix (talk) 03:06, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

 * @Kwékwlos You only seem to have done the kugi entry, so I assume you didn’t get notified when I alerted you about those entries. Chuterix (talk) 13:45, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

 * It's not on Thorpe (1983), so I can't really provide much. The only one I can find is Nikolay's Miyako form guri (with irregular voicing). Kwékwlos (talk) 13:58, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Update: JLTT 833 cites Shodon gurusyi- (probably a Japanese loanword, but voicing is unexpected), Nakijin kuCisen, Shuri alternate form and Yonaguni kuçisan (Yonaguni may have borrowed it from Shuri on account of the -san suffix, the usual adjectival termination in Yonaguni ends in -n). For the forms without -r-, the irregular second consonant indicates it is not probably cognate with the forms with -r-, so I have not included them. Kwékwlos (talk) 14:16, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you.
 * Then, is there any other -shiku adjectives like *kanasi that have a full Ryukyuan list that I can add? Chuterix (talk) 14:32, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thorpe cites PR *sudasi "cool" (base *suda-), probably a cognate of OJp. suzusi except the correspondence d (< *nt) - z (< *ns) is irregular. Descendants of the PR form include: Kikai sudasai, Kunigami shidāsen, Northern Amami (Naze) shidasan, Okinawan shidasan, Tokunoshima (Inō) sïdaha, Miyako sïdāsï, Yaeyama sïdassan (< *sudasi + -san), and Yonaguni ndasan. Kwékwlos (talk) 15:50, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Kwékwlos I know about that word. But I was not planning to put it because I mainly want to put in a full set of Japonic terms (including Japanese), and the entry there lists that it's unclear how the OJ cognates work. So now I will put that along with PJ *suntusi, but call it an irregular sound shift.
 * You haven't answered my question about where you found *kanasi. As it's a full set of Ryukyuan terms, I must assume you got it from Thorpe (1983). But I can't find the page in the book linking to *kanasi/*kana (dear). So what page can I find *kanasi at in Thorpe Ryukyuan history book? Chuterix (talk) 16:04, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Also in Shoki originally pronounce OJ suzusi- as sususi-. Chuterix (talk) 16:05, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, is *sudasi all of them that's left to create? Chuterix (talk) 16:53, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
 * As for *kana/*kanasi, these were guessed via regular sound change. But feel free to remove the unsourced ones. For *sudasi, you can create it. But please notice it is only found in Ryukyuan, and not in Proto-Japonic since the connection with the Jp. term is tenuous at best. Kwékwlos (talk) 19:30, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Proto-Ryukyuan *patake
see here

please add Ryukyuan descendants, then remove attention message Chuterix (talk) 22:03, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Proto-Ryukyuan *wasi
see entry here

please add more descendants

@Kwékwlos Chuterix (talk) 00:03, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Proto-Ryukyuan *ariki
see entry here

please add descendants section and remove attn

@Kwékwlos Chuterix (talk) 22:05, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Proto-Ryukyuan *onazi
see page here

please add more descendants Chuterix (talk) 00:20, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Proto-Ryukyuan entries to change
Chuterix (talk) 21:33, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Ryukyuan/sinobi
Reconstruction:Proto-Ryukyuan/sinobi < change the entry please Chuterix (talk) 21:07, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

 * (as in edit descendants section like always) Chuterix (talk) 21:08, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Proto-Ryukyuan *usiro
please change Chuterix (talk) 05:15, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Ryukyuan/mo
please create the entry

proto-japonic entry Chuterix (talk) 17:24, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Ryukyuan/pidari
please create entry

PJ entry Chuterix (talk) 23:36, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Ryukyuan/moti
Please create entry.

PJ Entry here Chuterix (talk) 01:51, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Proto-Japonic/Proto-Ryukyuan jobs
investigate Reconstruction:Proto-Japonic/tanosi and it's Ryukyuan descendants

update Reconstruction:Proto-Japonic/əpə (the Ryukyuan information) with more Ryukyuan descendants, they're listed in Thorpe (1983) Chuterix (talk) 16:56, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Ryukyuan Dialect symbols in Thorpe (1983)
@Kwékwlos Please explain what each dialect of Ryukyuan languages mean that appear in Thorpe (1983). Chuterix (talk) 17:05, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

 * Kikai: A (Aden), Shi. (Shitōke)
 * Northern Amami: N (Naze), Ya. (Yamatohama), Yu. (Yuwan)
 * Southern Amami: Ko. (Koniya), Sh. (Shodon)
 * Tokunoshima: In. (Inō), Ka. (Kametsu), M (Matsubara), San
 * Okinoerabu: Kam. (Kamishiro), Se. (Serikaku), Tamina, Te. (Tetechina)
 * Yoron: C (Chabana), Mugiya
 * Kunigami: I (Ieshima), He. (Hentona), Nag. (Nago), Ok. (Oku), Sak. (Sakimotobu), Su. (Sumuide), Yon. (Yonamine = Nakijin)
 * Okinawan: Ishikawa, Na. (Naha), S (Shuri)
 * Miyako: Hirara, Ik. (Ikema), Nak. (Nakasuji), Og. (Ōgami), Ō. (Ōura), Sa. (Sarahama), Yo. (Yonaha), U (Uechi)
 * Yaeyama: H (Hateruma), Ha. (Hatoma), Is. (Ishigaki), K (Kabira), Kob. (Kobama), Ku. (Kuroshima), Ob. (Ōbama), So. (Sonai), T (Taketomi)
 * Yonaguni: Y (Yonaguni) Kwékwlos (talk) 18:14, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
 * P.S. (no response needed) this request was to make PR entries myself without the help of you having to make descendants Chuterix (talk) 01:41, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Ryukyuan/moye and notices
Please update descendants section of Reconstruction:Proto-Ryukyuan/moye to include the Ryukyuan descendants.

Also, to quickly reference/source a Proto-Ryukyuan entry whose descendants are included in Thorpe (1983), you can use the Template:R:jpx-ryu:Thorpe 1983 ("R:jpx-ryu:Thorpe 1983") template. You can put "page=x"/"pages=x-x" to indicate the page of the Proto-Ryukyuan reconstruction/descendants.

This is to ensure that the descendants/PR source is verified (unless you/I reconstruct on own), and users can find where all of the descendants are (I had to consult you to even find where every single existant Ryukyuan descendant of nouns/adjectives are). I've already included this template in the *moye reconstruction published here.

Why were the IPA prons (sections) for Proto-Japonic entries removed, but Proto-Ryukyuan still uses the IPA pron section? If the language is reconstructed why not get rid of all IPA pronunciation sections in the PR entries? Chuterix (talk) 23:20, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

 * Originally they had IPA, but it was removed because they were unsourced, even though PJ had a very simple consonant/vowel system. Kwékwlos (talk) 23:49, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

 * We also don't have academic consensus on the vowel values, and quite what the 甲・乙 distinction really meant in phonetic terms. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 01:32, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Kwékwlos oops "pages=x-x" if multi-paged Chuterix (talk) 22:50, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Liúqiú guăn yìyŭ (Ryukyuan Dictionary)
@Kwékwlos: Where can I find Liúqiú guăn yìyŭ (the Northern Ryukyuan source you put in some PR entries like )? Chuterix (talk) 22:53, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

 * https://scholarspace.manoa.hawaii.edu/items/08a47496-c7d9-4503-97cb-0c464b352f46 Kwékwlos (talk) 23:33, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks; this also provides Haytong Cheykwukki info (I didn't ask for that originally to you because I looked that up and found some books about Ryukyuan or something mentioning this).
 * Added some of those information to some PR reconstructions I created, and also a reference template to use. Chuterix (talk) 02:50, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

About Proto-Japonic to Proto-Ryukyuan sound changes
Please consider Old Japanese (and it's dialects) < Proto-Japonic when using the comparative method (as in, change the reconstruction of PJ based on using the comparative method on OJP and PR). You've changed Proto-Ryukyuan to  and  to, but without changing the ancestor PJ word via the comparative method of OJP and PR on both of them, and @Eirikr asked on both reconstructed entries how the sound changes occur, saying either that it makes no sense or it's unlikely. See the talk pages of these reconstructions for what @Eirikr had said. Chuterix (talk) 00:08, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

 * The PR reconstruction is heavily debated, but @cppig1995 points out that this word was *ema-ema and that it was loaned from Northern Ryukyuan to Southern Ryukyuan. But I fail to see how a basic word would be borrowed. Kwékwlos (talk) 08:45, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

VL inflexions
Hi Kwékwlos,

Thank you for your edits (and interest) in the reconstructed Latin area.

There are many mistakes with the autogenerated inflexion charts for Proto-Italo-Western Romance, etc. A by-no-means-exhaustive list would be:

 * Claim of nasal vowels

 * Claim of distinction between unstressed /ɛ, ɔ/ and /e, o/

 * Lack of Proto-Italo-Western distinction between /-u/ and /-o/

 * Presumption of a genitive distinct from the dative

 * Bug producing -ẹi (for cases like ienuarius) for what should be -i

The verb inflexion charts are particularly problematic in their claiming, for instance, several types of inflexions for Proto-Balkan-Romance that are not supported by any of the descendants.

As things stand now, I would not recommend using these inflexion charts for any entry, reconstructed or attested. Nicodene (talk) 01:48, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

 * I see. When where the templates created and by whom? Kwékwlos (talk) 07:39, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

 * Depends on the specific template, judging by the edit histories of the pages on https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Vulgar_Latin_inflection-table_templates
 * Fixing the noun declension charts may be simple, and I'll take a crack at it. On the other hand, the verb charts are the stuff of nightmares. Nicodene (talk) 11:26, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Ryukyuan/mu
I messed up the reconstruction of PJ *mə (new fixed title) (OJP is actually mo2 > mo, not mo1, so I erroneously reconstructed PJ *mo), so is the reconstruction of PR *mu still correct? Or does it have to be changed? Chuterix (talk) 22:01, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

 * While most Ryukyuan varieties reflect *mu, there are a few (Amami and Okinoerabu) that reflect *mo. I believe the two coexisted in PR. Kwékwlos (talk) 22:03, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Misc.
Hi,

The hyphen thing in Proto-Italo-Western-Romance and Proto-Balkan-Romance is meant for consistency with Proto-Gallo-Romance, Proto-Ibero-Romance, and Proto-Romance.

Language labels, such as these have just now been converted to, are generally put in the head or definitions of entries, not the pronunciation section, so that's why I've now been moving them.

I've been changing the lemmas to accusative forms for even Gallo-Romance because there are cases such as, where the descendants do not actually attest a nominative *feto. Also it allows consistency with Proto-Ibero- and Balkan-Romance (and upcoming Proto-Italo-Romance), which are without a case system. Also consistent with our Old Occitan and Old French entries, which lemmatize by the accusative (oblique) form, even though a nominative still exists. In the future we can add inflexions to Proto-Gallo-Romance entries that will show the relevant forms.

Nicodene (talk) 22:48, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

 * You should account for these unique survivals in the attested languages (productive nominative, etc.), and not by generalizing things based on other proto-languages Kwékwlos (talk) 22:52, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The generalization is based on two other considerations as well, perhaps most notably the identical treatment of Old French and Occitan (not only by Wiktionary, but generally by dictionaries of those languages as well).
 * Edit: what if we manually added the inflexions to the head? (Since I don't know how to make inflexion templates yet.) I have made an example on . Nicodene (talk) 23:04, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * They should be in a table with Latinate forms and Gallo-Romance IPA. Kwékwlos (talk) 23:05, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed on the need for a table. I need to figure out how to make the template for it. It may be tricky to include IPA alongside Latinate spellings.
 * Edit: what about like this? Nicodene (talk) 23:22, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry for another ping. According to Template:label and Template:term-label, undefined should be used with definitions, and with headwords. Neither with pronunciation sections. Nicodene (talk) 23:58, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Please keep them on the pronunciation section, because readers would not know what stage of Romance the pronunciation belongs. With the addition of a Gallo-Romance declension table, similar declension tables must be made for other Romance proto-languages (not the old one) with Latinate spellings and local IPA pronunciations. Kwékwlos (talk) 00:01, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * By that reasoning, readers seeing a label on the pronunciation would not now what stage of Romance the actual word belongs to.
 * I don't think readers would be so prone to confusion either way. Still, there may be merit in one day breaking free of Reconstruction:Latin entirely and creating normal proto-languages.
 * In any case, that is simply the rules for the templates tl and tlb. I didn't make them. Nicodene (talk) 00:09, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Deleted names
Have all of these names you're deleting gone through RFV? Vininn126 (talk) 10:33, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

 * It seems one person decided to make common Western proper names for a random Austronesian language that would seem out-of-place. For example, what if one decided to mass-create the same list of names in a language like Tolai (another Austronesian language)? Kwékwlos (talk) 10:37, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * You shouldn't delete other people's entries without sending them to verification. Please undo those changes and use the template and send them through the proper process. Chances are they will be deleted but it creates prescedent as to why they were deleted. Vininn126 (talk) 10:39, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree. @Kwékwlos Please undo these and send them to RFV. Theknightwho (talk) 12:40, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Pensare
Quite unlikely to be borrowed, considering that it is not at all a general word for 'think' in literary Latin, that it diphthongizes in Spanish (yo pienso < ego pĕnso), and that it's attested from the earliest Romance texts. It survives in a similar sense in Romanian as, where early borrowing from Latin is out of the question for historical reasons. The /ns/ forms could perhaps be described as 'semi-learned', but even that is unnecessary, considering that /ns/ survival occurs in for example the (very clearly inherited) descendants of *mansus <. It could simply be that the variation between /s/ and /ns/ (when the reduction process was in effect) was exploited to differentiate what would later become from, creating two verbs from one. Nicodene (talk) 21:48, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

 * I see. Given that they undergo all popular sound changes, I think they were borrowed during the Proto-Romance period and then passed on as "almost-inherited" descendants. Kwékwlos (talk) 21:51, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * At that stage it wouldn't count as a borrowing from Latin, since Proto-Romance is itself Latin. It would have to be a posh fashion passed down to the general population, but then we would expect that posh fashion to be reflected in the texts of that time.
 * I think it'd be fair enough to say this about the /ns/ forms:
 * (Inherited) from Latin pensare, with rare (and some sources claim learned) conservation of /ns/. Nicodene (talk) 22:13, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Don't create blank category pages
Please use auto cat. Otherwise, they don't get subcategorised properly and no-one will ever find them - making it worse than useless, because it's also harder for bots to find them as they don't register as uncreated. Theknightwho (talk) 19:58, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * You did this again: Category:Vulgar Latin language. I will not warn you next time - I'll just block you for a day. Theknightwho (talk) 21:26, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Uhm... sorry Kwékwlos (talk) 21:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Kwékwlos You did this again:
 * Category:Tregami numerals
 * Category:Ashkun numerals
 * Category:Kamkata-viri numerals
 * Category:Tregami terms derived from Sanskrit
 * Category:Kamkata-viri terms derived from Sanskrit
 * Category:Ashkun multiword terms
 * As I told you last time I will block you for a day, as this is harmful to the project. Theknightwho (talk) 21:18, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Pronunciations in descendants sections
Hi,

Could we please not do multiple reconstructed pronunciations, reflecting different stages of Romance, on one page? It exponentially multiplies the (already overwhelming) work of double-checking. For instance, the Catalan descendant of *longitanus retains the second vowel.

If you want we can move these "extras" to a sandbox page and play around with them there, as a sort of exercise, but I'd really rather not do this on the actual entries, because then I'd have to rigorously check each and every new pronunciation. There is already a ton of work to do to fix up Late and reconstructed Latin here (finding all the proper dates of attestation, for example, very time-consuming), and this would greatly complicate things.

Thanks. Nicodene (talk) 20:56, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

 * Alright. Kwékwlos (talk) 20:57, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * While exponential seems a little bit too much, tetrational seems way too much. Kwékwlos (talk) 20:59, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

lb in head lines
You should use tlb in the head rather than lb (I see Nicodene already mentioned this a few weeks ago). I have to say though I don't particularly like the practice of moving labels for single-sense terms to the head line, by moving them to a much less prominent position at the end of a line it makes them harder for users to spot without providing any functional benefit. What's the rationale? —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 23:28, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

 * Oh, sorry. Wasn't really clear on the distinction between these two. Kwékwlos (talk) 23:34, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

(Japan) sense at ch
Hello, Kwékwlos. I believe that you added Etymology 2, “(Japan) Abbreviation of channel” to ch. I don't know what that gloss means, though. I'm guessing maybe it's something related to or the like, but that is a total guess. Could you take a look at the entry and see if maybe a usage example or other addition might clarify? Thanks, Cnilep (talk) 08:11, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

 * In Japanese, ch refers to channel in general. So when the Japanese type English, they will transfer this to English as well. Kwékwlos (talk) 09:29, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the reply. So you are saying that when native Japanese users write in English, they use ch as an abbreviation for channel – have I got that right? If so, I'm not sure that the practice is limited to Japanese speakers. With a full-stop ch. is a common abbreviation in English, and a web search shows things like “12ch speaker selector” (that is, channel in a different sense of the word). I'm not sure whether the label adds useful information, or is simply confusing. Happy editing, Cnilep (talk) 01:21, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * This is not from Japanese. This is attestable as an abbreviation of  in English-language documents since at least the 1930s.  See also https://www.google.com/search?q=2ch+two+channel&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:1900,cd_max:1999&tbm=bks&source=lnt&sa=X&biw=1920&bih=916&dpr=1, particularly the Bell Telephone documentation from 1933. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 19:28, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * GW "golden week", HP "home page", and recycle shop are some English words with predominantly Japanese usage. They can appear both in a Japanese-language text, (in speeches) code-switching, or in full English. Kwékwlos (talk) 21:34, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Warning
Do not add unsourced cross-family comparisons in order to promote your fringe theories on this site. — S URJECTION / T / C / L / 18:04, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * In other words, to clarify, Wiktionary is supposed to reflect what is more or less the consensus of modern linguists. Regardless of how plausible your deductions are, which as a layperson I may not judge, if unsourced, they do not belong in the project. Although we do not prohibit original research per se, this applies to matters of small weight, while claming that Japonic is a subbranch of Indo-European is quite the heavy claim. There will surely be better places to note down your finds, especially since adding them here, as evidenced, will just get you reverted and blocked. Please reconsider mentioning these kinds of connections on-site. Catonif (talk) 19:08, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Sourcing Thorpe (1983)
@Kwékwlos. If there are multiple pages to source, use |pages=x-x, not |page=x-x. Thank you. Chuterix (talk) 17:20, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Your About Proto-Nuristani page
I moved your About Proto-Nuristani page to your user subpage, as it's unsourced and incomplete. --  00:36, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Proto-Japonic on Wiktionary (The history?)
@Kwékwlos: essay(ish):

The history of Proto-Japonic on Wiktionary started on January 5 2019 when you first added PJ onto Wiktionary, introducing lemmatized PJ to Wiktionary.

Next was PJ, etc.

January 11 2019 was when began reconstructing Proto-Japonic, mostly basic vocabulary that even was listed in. E.g., , etc. Mostly basing off Pellard's reconstructions. The descendants are based off the former Ryukyu-go Onsei Database (Audio Database of Ryukyuan Lagnuages), which included Kunigami (Yonamine, Nakijin), Northern Amami-Oshima (Yamatohama), Okinawan (Shuri-Naha), and Miyako (unknown). Some descendants from Nevisky were added, along with other descendants from unknown sources.

Then, you @Kwékwlos started added descendants from, and blah blah blah.

Then there weren't anymore Proto-Japonic reconstructions since at least late 2021. I joined on Wiktionary to learn Japanese, then wanted to know etymologies for words. Some were from PJ (like < PJ, or  < PJ ). I first wanted to know etymology of, presumably from PJ (or *n-anV?). Now here is my reconstruction history, initially using reconstructions from, but soon start to take on my own reconstructions from analysis. Starting with PJ and. I also forgot to mention that my initial days were troubled by there existing only Okinawan descendants. I soon began to make progress.

P.S.(-ish) I forgot to mention other users try to create reconstruction pages but they were badly configured (as I said in mukantay, had to clean up PJ and ). The pages in parentheses were amply attested throughout all of the Ryukyuan languages. On momo however the unknown IP sound guessed every decendant based off okinawan mumu, so I had to fix it.

Anyways, the former Proto-Japonic members were. Mellohi seems to no longer been creating new PJ entries, Kwekwlos seems to be fixing the problems in the PJ entries and updating some stuff. Some 2022-2023 created entries are all from (e.g. PJ ).

Now I seem to be taking over PJ reconstruction (thanks to one unknown IP I created PJ which is luckily amply attested all around the Ryukyus), but IDK. What wil be the future of reconstructing PJ here?

Also how is About Proto-Japonic? Chuterix (talk) 20:49, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Pinky
Some stuff was implemented on the site, probably a few months ago, such that now the horizontal divider lines previously generated by typing  07:33, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

wrong etymologies
Hi. I came across an etymology of yours from Dec 2020 claiming to derive Latin sentimentum from Proto-Italic *sentimentom. This has persisted for over 3 years but it's wrong, and ludicrously so, as this term is first attested around 1500 AD. This shows how important it is not to add plausible-sounding garbage to Wiktionary. Benwing2 (talk) 21:32, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

 * Hi, I am chiming in a bit late here, but I want to point out that in late 2020, the user in question took it upon himself, like a hobby induced game, to add ridiculous Proto-Italic reconstructions en masse to Latin terms that were obviously later formations. I managed to remove most of them but it appears that I also missed some. Please delete these on sight. Thanks. -- 𝘗𝘶𝘭𝘪𝘮𝘢𝘪𝘺𝘪(𝘵𝘢𝘭𝘬) 08:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Pulimaiyi Thanks. Yeah I removed the ones I found back in Jan, but I suspect there may be others. Benwing2 (talk) 08:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Yukaghir
Howdy! I'm just curious, do you remember where you got the Sakha/Yakut etymology for this word? You wrote that this word came through Russian from 🇨🇬, but this word doesn't looks like a normal Sakha word at all. It is listed in the Sakha online dictionary, but it looks like a borrowing from Russian. All the sources I can find, derive the word from Evenki.

Teanu entries
hi Kwékwlos, I just discovered the entries you created, about 2 years ago, for Teanu. Cool!

Simply, I noticed that all the references are wrong, because you simply cut-and-pasted the same link (usually the one to moe). I've corrected a couple entries (like here) but I cannot do all of them. Would you be able to check and correct the links? Ideally you'd double check that each link lands on the right entry.

Thanks! -- Womtelo (talk) 22:33, 25 February 2024 (UTC).

 * Very well. Kwékwlos (talk) 23:32, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for your quick action -- Womtelo (talk) 17:01, 27 February 2024 (UTC).

About word final -z in Miyako
I believe the word final <-z> as transcribed by Nevsky for the Miyako language is actually supposed to represent a word final fricative vowel:. Chuterix (talk) 15:11, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

きかい
@Kwékwlos Can you please tell me the source for the Kikai term kyaa? I can't find it in Iwakura (1941)'s wordlist. Chuterix (talk) 03:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kikaijima Kwékwlos (talk) 04:05, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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varnishing day

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immunopotential

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inositolphosphoglycan

Noun

 * 1)  A phosphoglycan derived from an phosphatidylinositol

title: inositolphosphoglycan


text: inositolphosphoglycans

title: inositolphosphoglycans


text:
snotunge

Noun

 * 1)  brat, child

title: snotunge


text:
interclone

Adjective

 * 1) Between clones

title: interclone


text:
røvdårlig

Adjective

 * 1)  very bad, shitty

title: røvdårlig


text:
intercompatibility

Noun

 * 1) The state of being intercompatible

Translations

 * Italian: intercompatibilità

title: intercompatibility


text:
intercompatible

Adjective

 * 1) Mutually compatible

Derived terms

 * intercompatibility

title: intercompatible


text:
intraperiplasmic

Adjective

 * 1) Within the periplasm

title: intraperiplasmic


text:
intratectal

Adjective

 * 1) Within the tectum

title: intratectal


text:
Template:RQ:Shakespeare Othello/documentation

Usage
This template may be used in Wiktionary entries to format quotations from the version of 's work ' which was published in the ' (1623). It can be used to create a link to an online version of the work at the Internet Archive.

Parameters
The template takes the following parameters:

 * 1 or act – mandatory: the act number of the play quoted from in uppercase Roman numerals.
 * 2 or scene – mandatory: the scene number of the play quoted from in lowercase Roman numerals. As the act and scene numbers in the original play may differ from those in modern editions, look up the act and scene numbers from a modern edition of the play.
 * 3 or page, or pages – mandatory in some cases: the page number(s) of the work. If using pages to quote a range of pages, note the following:
 * Separate the first and last pages of the range with an en dash, like this: 310–311.
 * You must also use pageref to specify the page number that the template should link to (usually the page on which the Wiktionary entry appears).
 * This parameter must be specified to have the template link to the online version of the work.

 * 4 or column, or columns – the column number(s) to be quoted from in Arabic numerals, either 1 or 2. When referring to a passage that spans both columns, either omit the parameter or use an en dash like this: 1–2.
 * line or lines – the line number(s) to be quoted, from a modern edition of the play. If using lines to quote a range of line numbers, separate the first and last numbers of the range with an en dash.
 * 5, text, or passage – the passage to be quoted.
 * 6, t, or translation – a translation of the passage into contemporary English.
 * footer — a comment about the passage quoted.
 * brackets – use on to surround a quotation with brackets. This indicates that the quotation either contains a mere mention of a term (for example, "some people find the word manoeuvre hard to spell") rather than an actual use of it (for example, "we need to manoeuvre carefully to avoid causing upset"), or does not provide an actual instance of a term but provides information about related terms.

Examples

 * Wikitext:
 * ; or
 * Result:
 * Result:


text:
isoallergen

Noun

 * 1) Any of a group of variants of an allergen

title: isoallergen


text: isoallergens

title: isoallergens


text: isofemales

title: isofemales


text: isopentanyl

title: isopentanyl


text: lactacidemia

title: lactacidemia


text:
lanosol

Noun

 * 1)  The brominated phenol 3,4-dibromo-5-(hydroxymethyl)-1,2-benzenediol

title: lanosol


text: leukofilters

title: leukofilters


text: kraftkabelen

title: kraftkabelen


text:
lipocatabolic

Adjective

 * 1)  Relating to the catabolism of lipids

title: lipocatabolic


text: lipodistrophy

title: lipodistrophy


text:
lipopeptidophosphoglycan

Noun

 * 1)  Any phosphoglycan associated with a lipopeptide

title: lipopeptidophosphoglycan


text: lipopeptidophosphoglycans

title: lipopeptidophosphoglycans


text:
liposynthesis

Noun

 * 1)  The biosynthesis of lipids

Related terms

 * lipogenesis

title: liposynthesis


text: kraftkabler

title: kraftkabler


text:
break-vow

Noun

 * 1)  An untrustworthy person; someone who habitually breaks vows and promises.

title: break-vow


text:
break-promise

Noun

 * 1)  An untrustworthy person; someone who habitually breaks vows and promises.

title: break-promise


text: break-promises

title: break-promises


text: break-vows

title: break-vows


text: kraftkablene

title: kraftkablene


text: kationo

title: kationo


text: kraftkablane

title: kraftkablane


text:
kanonføde

Noun

 * 1) cannon fodder

title: kanonføde


text:
Światek

Etymology
From.

title: Światek


text:
breakwind

Noun

 * 1)  A windbreak.

title: breakwind


text: breakwinds

title: breakwinds


text: break-wind

title: break-wind


text: break-winds

title: break-winds


text:
croia

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  stone the central part of some fruits, consisting of the seed and a hard endocarp layer; most notably, those of cherries
 * 2) pebble
 * 1) pebble

Noun

 * 1) rustic and untidy woman

title: croia


text:
Talk:բադակտուց

A calque from 🇨🇬? Per utramque cavernam 18:57, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Or maybe a "loan rendition", as ≠ . Per utramque cavernam 18:59, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The first attestations I find are in English–Armenian dictionaries, published outside Russian-influenced areas. That means 🇨🇬 is a better candidate, especially since its meaning fits ideally and the animal was first encountered by British settlers. --Vahag (talk) 21:04, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

title: Talk:բադակտուց


text:
качканос

Etymology
From ; compare 🇨🇬 for the first part, 🇨🇬 for the second.

Noun

 * 1) platypus

title: качканос


text:
ارزشمند

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) valuable

title: ارزشمند


text: User:Vanished user 9255071

title: User:Vanished user 9255071


text: έζησε

title: έζησε


text: έζησες

title: έζησες


text: Decewicz

title: Decewicz


text: Sadanowicz

title: Sadanowicz


text: Steczkiewicz

title: Steczkiewicz


text: Ułasiewicz

title: Ułasiewicz


text: Kościewicz

title: Kościewicz


text: ζει

title: ζει


text: Mielcarzewicz

title: Mielcarzewicz


text: Sewastianowicz

title: Sewastianowicz


text: Jaklewicz

title: Jaklewicz


text: Kordasiewicz

title: Kordasiewicz


text: Kostanowicz

title: Kostanowicz


text: Lulkiewicz

title: Lulkiewicz


text: Turlewicz

title: Turlewicz


text:
Badurowicz

Etymology
From.

title: Badurowicz


text: Boczniewicz

title: Boczniewicz


text: ζεις

title: ζεις


text: Haniewicz

title: Haniewicz


text: Klikowicz

title: Klikowicz


text: Dulewicz

title: Dulewicz


text: Daniłowicz

title: Daniłowicz


text: Berkowicz

title: Berkowicz


text:
Pająkiewicz

Etymology
From.

title: Pająkiewicz


text: Pokropowicz

title: Pokropowicz


text: Niewierowicz

title: Niewierowicz


text: ζείτε

title: ζείτε


text: Bialikiewicz

title: Bialikiewicz


text: ζούμε

title: ζούμε


text: ζούσα

title: ζούσα


text: ζούσες

title: ζούσες


text: ζούσε

title: ζούσε


text: ζήσαμε

title: ζήσαμε


text: ζήσατε

title: ζήσατε


text: ζήσουμε

title: ζήσουμε


text: ζήσετε

title: ζήσετε


text: ζήσεις

title: ζήσεις


text: ζήσω

title: ζήσω


text: ζήσει

title: ζήσει


text: ζούσαμε

title: ζούσαμε


text: ζούσατε

title: ζούσατε


text:
βλέπει

Verb

 * 1) third person singular active indicative of βλέπω

Verb

 * : "he/she/it sees"

title: βλέπει


text:
middelhavsklima

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  a Mediterranean climate

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  a Mediterranean climate

title: middelhavsklima


text:
mechanotoxic

Adjective

 * 1) toxic to mechanosensors

Related terms

 * mechanotoxin

title: mechanotoxic


text:
mechanotoxin

Noun

 * 1) A mechanotoxic material

title: mechanotoxin


text: Siemienowicz

title: Siemienowicz


text: Wójkiewicz

title: Wójkiewicz


text: Gabrylewicz

title: Gabrylewicz


text: Pirowicz

title: Pirowicz


text: Popiołkiewicz

title: Popiołkiewicz


text: Prusiewicz

title: Prusiewicz


text: Sobotkiewicz

title: Sobotkiewicz


text: Barbarewicz

title: Barbarewicz


text: Chiniewicz

title: Chiniewicz


text:
Awsiukiewicz

Etymology
From.

title: Awsiukiewicz


text: Łankiewicz

title: Łankiewicz


text: Sakiewicz

title: Sakiewicz


text: User:TomášPolonec/Sandbox

title: User:TomášPolonec/Sandbox


text: Bekasiewicz

title: Bekasiewicz


text: Polaczkiewicz

title: Polaczkiewicz


text: Fiodorowicz

title: Fiodorowicz


text: Karasewicz

title: Karasewicz


text: Liskiewicz

title: Liskiewicz


text: Bernasiewicz

title: Bernasiewicz


text: Danilkiewicz

title: Danilkiewicz


text: Daniłkiewicz

title: Daniłkiewicz


text: middelhavsklimaet

title: middelhavsklimaet


text: Lankiewicz

title: Lankiewicz


text: Miskiewicz

title: Miskiewicz


title: Template:R:hy:Hagopian2


text: TLAs

title: TLAs


title: Template:R:hy:Hagopian1


text:
Mediterranean climate

Noun

 * 1)  a climate typical of the region around the Mediterranean Sea, characterised by mild moist winters and hot dry summers, which is also found in certain other temperate regions around the world.

Translations

 * Galician: clima mediterráneo
 * Georgian: ხმელთაშუა ზღვის ჰავა, ხმელთაშუა ზღვის კლიმატი, ხმელთაშუაზღვისპირული ჰავა, ხმელთაშუაზღვისპირეთის კლიმატი, ხმელთაშუაზღვისპირული კლიმატი
 * Norwegian:
 * Bokmål: middelhavsklima
 * Nynorsk: middelhavsklima
 * Romanian:

title: Mediterranean climate


text: Mediterranean climates

title: Mediterranean climates


text:
camariña

Etymology
From ; the plant, perhaps else from (vel sim).

Noun

 * 1) little chamber or bedroom

Noun

 * 1) Corema album a heath endemic of the Atlantic regions of the Iberian peninsula and southern France

title: camariña


text: Category:nb:Climatology

title: Category:nb:Climatology


text: Category:nn:Climatology

title: Category:nn:Climatology


text:
Template:Gentianales Hypernyms

, eudicots, core eudicots, asterids, euasterids I - clades; Gentianales - order

title: Template:Gentianales Hypernyms


text:
Template:Gentianales Hypernyms/documentation

This is a typing shortcut intended for use under the Hypernyms header of taxa under order Gentianales. It can also be used with subst:.


text:
sonnelyche

Etymology
From. Equivalent to.

Adjective

 * 1) Pertaining to or originating from the sun; solar.
 * 2) Resembling the sun.

title: sonnelyche


text: sonnelych

title: sonnelych


text: sonnelich

title: sonnelich


text: sunnelyche

title: sunnelyche


text: sunneliche

title: sunneliche


text: sunnelych

title: sunnelych


text: sunnelich

title: sunnelich


text: sunnlice

title: sunnlice


text: sonnliche

title: sonnliche


text: sonneliche

title: sonneliche


text: left-back

title: left-back


text:
kreema

Etymology
From.

title: kreema


text: flat-foot

title: flat-foot


text: Łabanowicz

title: Łabanowicz


text: Miklewicz

title: Miklewicz


text: Suskiewicz

title: Suskiewicz


text: Krakiewicz

title: Krakiewicz


text: Masewicz

title: Masewicz


text: Pisarewicz

title: Pisarewicz


text:
for the taking

Prepositional phrase

 * 1) Available; able to be taken without difficulty.

title: for the taking


text: Prętkiewicz

title: Prętkiewicz


text: Ziarniewicz

title: Ziarniewicz


text: Jasiakiewicz

title: Jasiakiewicz


text: Ostapkiewicz

title: Ostapkiewicz


text: Rubinkiewicz

title: Rubinkiewicz


text: Wanatowicz

title: Wanatowicz


text: Demkiewicz

title: Demkiewicz


text: Jajkiewicz

title: Jajkiewicz


text: Juralewicz

title: Juralewicz


text: Rusowicz

title: Rusowicz


text:
Talk:turn on its head

Move to turn on one's head, surely? --Harmonicaplayer (talk) 21:59, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

title: Talk:turn on its head


text: Czyżykiewicz

title: Czyżykiewicz


text: Dmochewicz

title: Dmochewicz


text:
nordøstre

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) north-eastern

title: nordøstre


text: Gawałkiewicz

title: Gawałkiewicz


text:
snap-volley

Noun

 * 1)  A snap volley; a volley taken quickly.

title: snap-volley


text: Nadachewicz

title: Nadachewicz


text: Szutkiewicz

title: Szutkiewicz


text: Tanasiewicz

title: Tanasiewicz


text: Gromotowicz

title: Gromotowicz


text: Kuraszkiewicz

title: Kuraszkiewicz


text: Maciantowicz

title: Maciantowicz


text: Makuszewski

title: Makuszewski


text: Żurkowski

title: Żurkowski


text:
평지

Etymology 1
.

Noun

 * 1) flat land, plain

Etymology 2
From.

title: 평지


text: Sigurðsson

title: Sigurðsson


text:
岱宗

Proper noun

 * 1) an ancient name for Mount Tai (Daizong), one of the Five Sacred Mountains in China

title: 岱宗


text:
User:Harmonicaplayer/Serbo-Croatian surnames

 * Livaković
 * Vrsaljko
 * Strinić
 * Perišić
 * Ćorluka
 * Lovren
 * Rakitić
 * Kovačić
 * Kramarić
 * Modrić
 * Brozović
 * Kalinić
 * Jedvaj
 * Bradarić
 * Ćaleta-Car
 * Kalinić
 * Mandžukić
 * Rebić
 * Badelj
 * Pjaca
 * Vida
 * Pivarić
 * Pivarić

Serbian surnames

 * Stojković Rukavina Tošić 4 Milivojević 5 Spajić 6 Ivanović 7 Živković 8 Prijović9 Mitrović 10 Tadić 11 Kolarov (c) 12 Rajković 13 Veljković 14 Rodić 15 Milenković 16 Grujić 17 Kostić 18 Radonjić 19 Jović 20 Milinković-Savić 21 Matić 22 Ljajić 23 Dmitrović Coach: Krstajić


text: Modrić

title: Modrić


text:
coffea

Noun

 * 1) * 2014, Reijo Pitkäranta, Vis coffeae salutaris, Nuntii Latini 17.10.2014:
 * "la"
 * "la"

- Qui cotidie trina aut quaterna pocilla coffeae bibunt, paulo diutius quam alii vivere videntur.

title: coffea


text:
Talk:sufficient

RFV discussion: May–June 2018
"self-sufficient; self-satisfied; content." I assume this would be used to describe a person. Needs to be cited distinct from the other senses, if possible. Equinox ◑ 12:45, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

 * I have added three cites that I think meet this definition, but I am not 100% sure they are not just versions of one of the other definitions. Kiwima (talk) 01:07, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

 * I am sceptical: we have "sufficient to be his own counsellor" (cannot stand alone; it's not someone who was merely "sufficient", but someone who was sufficient TO BE OR DO something, which is covered by other senses); then the other two cites are "sufficient unto himself" and "sufficient unto themselves". That's just normal sufficiency/"enough-ness". I see no evidence that you can say "he was a very sufficient man" for instance. (I did google "a sufficient man" and yes there are cites but please don't add them because I don't think they capture the sense either.) Equinox ◑ 02:34, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

 * Yes, that is why I was somewhat doubtful. I am happy to let this one go. (And I DO find evidence for "he was a very sufficient man", but it seems to mean he has plenty of money). Kiwima (talk) 03:17, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

RFV-failed Kiwima (talk) 22:19, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

“Sufficient(ly)”: quantitative vs qualitative
Garner's reads Though both words were originally used in reference to quantity, adequate now tends toward the qualitative and sufficient toward the quantitative. However, Fowler says As an adjective (or modifier), enough will normally serve, but sufficient is more idiomatic when a more qualitative point is being made Which is correct? --Backinstadiums (talk) 16:36, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

title: Talk:sufficient


text:
Citations:septifolious

 * 1) Having seven leaves.

title: Citations:septifolious


text:
奇景

Noun

 * 1) unusual and rare scenery

title: 奇景


text:
гитарный

Adjective

 * 1)  guitar

title: гитарный


text:
telecabina

Etymology
. Equivalent to.

Noun

 * 1) gondola lift; telecabin

Noun

 * 1) gondola lift; telecabin

title: telecabina


text:
Talk:Garumna

Latin
So it might be fem. too... -22:37, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * L&S: "fem., Aus. Mos. 483"
 * Ausonii Mosella: "[...] aequoreae te commendabo Garumnae"

title: Talk:Garumna


text: User:WhistlingCanines

title: User:WhistlingCanines


text:
halvmåneforma

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) half-moon-shaped

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) half-moon-shaped

title: halvmåneforma


text: flat-foots

title: flat-foots


text:
𦨖

Definitions

 * 1)  unsteady; tossing

title: 𦨖


text: flat-footing

title: flat-footing


text: 权当

title: 权当


text:
權當

Verb

 * 1) to temporarily act as; to treat something as if it were

title: 權當


text:
der Reihe nach

Phrase

 * 1) one by one, in turn

title: der Reihe nach


text:
eine Lanze brechen

Verb

 * 1)  to take up the cudgel for, to support

title: eine Lanze brechen


text:
ܟܢܘܢ ܐ

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) December

title: ܟܢܘܢ ܐ


text: Category:Norwegian Bokmål terms suffixed with -forma