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Concatenated articles
This is really addressed to Wetman, though others may help. I'm a tyro editor, so my very first edit was to provide a image of the Legend of the Cloak. It was on a banknote, but I had gained approval from the scanner to show it. A few days later it was gone. I notice that Wetman has many many articles and edits to his credit, so I ask in the spirit of "teach me" rather than complaint - why was my edit deleted? fyi the image can be seen here:- LastCardLouis - lcl@sh3.org.au - 8th May 2007

Vandalism
I just edited out some joker's addition about Martin of Tours going to McDonald's every day. I think this article needs to be checked over because of vandalism. 19 September 2006

Two articles merged, for cleanup
As it now stands, this is two concatenated articles. Someone should go back to the Life and other primary sources and tidy it up. M.e 04:21, 23 May 2004 (UTC)

Pre-Christmas fast
The German version of this page mentions that in the Middle Age Nov 11 was the last day before a 40-days fast period preceding Christmas.

Significance of one-half for Roman soldier
I read somewhere that Martin giving only half of his coat to the poor was related to the fact that in Roman military, half of the cloating was paid by the state (and Martin won't give away what wasn't his). Does anybody confirm this ?

11th of November celebration aspects
Is the celebration on the 11th of november somehow related to Halowe'en? There are certain similarities: I'll ask this same question on Talk:Halloween as well. --Aalbert
 * (roughly) the time of year
 * lanterns (which are sometimes carved from sugar beets or turnips)
 * trick-or-treating

 * According to other sources Martin of Tours died on November 8, but his burial was on November 11, by the way the same day that Martin Luther was baptised. November 11 has nothing to do with Halloween. Halloween is 'All Holy's E'ening' and is the evening before November 1. November 11 starts the carnival season. Therefore, in many areas in Germany's Rhineland St. Martin's Day is celebrated on November 8 instead. Perhaps this article could elaborate on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.207.52.132 (talk) 18:31, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

-- Additional issue concerning 11th Nov. celebrations: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.235.189.203 (talk) 12:38, 28 November 2011 (UTC) In the section on celebrations of St. Martin's Day, the article states "the sun shone so intensely that the frost melted away. As this evolution was extremely odd for the time of the year (early November), it is credited to God's intervention. The phenomena of a sunny break to the chilly weather on Saint Martin's Day (11 November), which curiously enough still occurs today is called "Verão de São Martinho" (Saint Martin's Summer) in honor of the cloak legend." -- surely that "curiously enough still occurs today" needs a citation? Without backup by meteorological records, it's pure superstition (this section as a whole lacks citation, but it's the notion that Nov. 11th is supernaturally sunny which strikes me as spurious; the rest I would assume is genuine folklore, although unreferenced?)

Flanders
Does this make sense? Also in the east part of the Belgian province of East-Flanders and the west part of West Flanders, --13:07, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Severius' attitude towards soldiers
Just wondering -- would it be worth it to mention Severus' attitude toward soldiers? The biography tends to downplay the fact that Martin was a soldier, which suggests that Severus shared the late antique hostility toward the army. (See Brown, Late Antiquity). The medieval hagiographers, of course, went in the opposite direction -- it might be an interesting compare and contrast. -- 9:09 CST, 20 February 2005

More suitable sources
The use of nineteenth century material is intolerable and the influence of the 1911 Britannica is deleterious. The following works seem indispensable for a proper understanding:
 * Jacques Fontaine, "Vie de saint Martin", in Sources Chretiennes, nos.133, 134, 135, published 1967, 1968, 1969.
 * Claire Stancliffe, "St.Martin and his Hagiographer, History and Miracle" in Sulpicius Severus, Oxford, 1983.

Cult of St. Martin
A separate entry is needed for the Cult of Saint Martin, which is an immense subjectClive Sweeting.

 * We look forward to your thorough revamp of the article(s). --Wetman 05:53, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Duck association
I'm surprised there's no mention of the legend of the duck. He's often shown dressed as a bishop with a duck at his feet. 70.150.135.114 23:06, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Often? where?--Wetman 00:19, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Pictures
I'm fortunate enough to be IN Tours at the moment. I'll see if I can't snag some pictures of the cathedral, the basilique, and some iconography for article. CaveatLectorTalk 09:12, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
Someone should edit out the vandalism in hagiography part where it says the guy filled the room with ejaculations after his reincarnation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.50.248.106 (talk) 12:56, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Folklore section
About half of the folklore section actually seems to just be stuff (cities, awards) that are named after him. Maybe another section called something like "Namesakes" should be created, to contain these items. --67.164.139.172 (talk) 08:31, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

 * I think they should be deleted, e.g.

 * "children are sometimes given a bag full of nuts, hazelnuts, oranges and tangerines. In old days, nuts were then used by the children in their games.."

 * of what encyclopedic relevance is that? History2007 (talk) 09:00, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Flesh and Blood
Should Flesh and Blood (film) be mentioned? A statue of Saint Martin is part of the plot. --Error (talk) 02:07, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

 * I think Flesh and Blood is worth mentioning. It not only uses a statue, but makes heavy use of iconography and legends throughout to comment upon religion, power, and so on...  Seems only fitting to me.  My only objection is that I hate "In popular culture" sections by general principle, but if that's what needs to be done I approve...  :) --DigitalHoodoo (talk) 23:00, 22 June 2010 (UTC)+
 * Done. --Error (talk) 19:11, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

legacy among seperatist puritans
Not sure if this is worthy of mention in this article, but among 17th separatist Puritans in England the example St. Martin's resistance to the imperial church, and his refusal to celebrate communion with "Ithaciuss and Idacius," were raised up as a positive model for separatism from the Church of England (see Lamont's 'Richard Baxter and the Millennium')

Should we use CCEL as a source for texts as a standard?
At present the link to the life of St Martin in the Hagiography section is to a 'users' site at an educational institution. As a result it seems likely to go when that user leaves there. By contrast the whole thing is also available at CCEL.org which exists to provide access to this sort of material. The link is

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf211.ii.ii.html

Shouldn't we use it in preference? Anyone know if there is a policy on this matter? Ender's Shadow Snr (talk) 23:57, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Hagiography section
Is there a reason why Gregory of Tours' hagiography of Martin isn't mentioned in this section? --Dweller (talk) 11:55, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Patron of soldiers - or conscientious objectors?
I've been pointed at http://www.catholicpeacefellowship.org/nextpage.asp?m=2185 - which describes him as a patron of conscientious objectors. I've not time to dig into this, but I thought it was worth mentioning in the hope that someone who does have time and interest to dig into the matter might do so. SamBC(talk) 18:21, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Gauls?
The article says "just before a battle with the Gauls..." I wanted to wikilink this to Gauls, but they don't seem to have been militarily active at this time. Is it perhaps the Alemanni? Most of the 4th century Roman wars in this region seem to be against them. StAnselm (talk) 20:11, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The source says in the Gauls - i.e. in the Gallic provinces, part of the Empire at the time. I have corrected the text. Richard Keatinge (talk) 20:48, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Thank you. StAnselm (talk) 20:51, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Early date v late date for Martin's birth
The Stancliffe book has a discussion about the conflict in the dating of the birth of Martin p. 119-133, yet the article asserts the long date without doubt. This seems inappropriate, so I've editted the section accordingly. Ender's Shadow Snr (talk) 16:57, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Infantrymen?
Some specialize infantrymen I think that was someone who mixed up St. Martin with St. Maurice. St. Martin, as we Germans all know from the well-known song about his helping the beggar, was a rider - he even is by tradition called a knight, as it were.--2001:A61:217B:9801:91AB:455E:CD05:2665 (talk) 19:27, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

I agree. I just recently retired from the US Army and have never heard of Saint Martin being connected with the Infantry. I have heard of Saint Barbara being the patron saint of Artillery. However, Saint Martin is the patron saint of the Quartermaster Corps for the United States Army. I find it interesting that this was not included or mentioned in the article. This affiliation to the Quartermaster Corps is easily verified by Googling "Quartermaster Order of Saint Martin." The only reason I know about this is due to the fact that I was inducted into the order and presented with the Saint Martin medallion. The award has a brief explanation as to why Saint Martin is the patron saint of the Quartermaster Corps and this is also connected to the story of sharing half his garment with the beggar. Ensuring soldiers have what they need is the basic duty of the Quartermaster Corps so the connection to Saint Martin is appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sgthappyg (talk • contribs) 04:06, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

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"military saint"
As a technical term, a "military saint" is not just a saint who served in the military, or a saint with patronages associated with the military. It refers to those soldiers of the Roman army who were martyred during the persecution of Christians under the Roman empire. Martin is rarely described as "military saint", and then loosely or in passing. In fact, his role as "military saint" appears almost entirely limited to his role in late 19th-century French militarism. Therefore, if the term is used in the article, its use needs to be duly qualified. --dab (𒁳) 07:35, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

 * Except for the placement of his memorial on Veterans' Day? And I don't see justification for your narrow definition in the article you've linked. 2600:8800:1B00:9C:3D58:A38D:EC2D:14A7 (talk) 17:24, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

St Martin-in-the-fields
Why is he called "St. Martin-in-the-fields?" 47.138.92.39 (talk) 03:10, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

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Um? Is this April 2003? RickK 04:22, 23 May 2004 (UTC)

Your comment is largely incoherent and some would argue it is unworthy of a response. However, I shall attempt to clarify your situation. Right now it is, as your signature details; May 2004. Maybe you are asking if April 2003 qualifies as part of season 2003-04, well quite blatantly it doesn't. See the top of the page: 2003/04 - From August 2003 to July 2004 April 2003 was part of the 2002/03 season. If you have a desire for an accurate response without someone taking the piss out of you, I suggest you be more concise, whilst avoiding words such as 'um'. SimonMayer 04:39, 23 May 2004 (UTC)

Your own comment is a load of gibberish. I am posting on a page whose title is Talk:2003-04 in English football. 2003-04 is a meaningless phrase, and I'm asking what it means. Now, please stick to the point and answer my question. Why was this odd naming convention used instead of the more standard April 2003? RickK 04:42, 23 May 2004 (UTC)

When referring to football; 2003-04 is a fairly common format for listing seasons. If you have an idea which you consider to be better, why not suggest it? The current title you seem to be suggesting is April 2003, unfortunately I don't think that would work as April 2003 is already in use and would have to become a disambiguation page. Also April 2003 has little to do with 2003-04 in English football, thus April 2003 may itself be called "odd". Also to call a phrase "meaningless" then ask its meaning is a little contradictory. SimonMayer 04:54, 23 May 2004 (UTC)

A consideration if it helps to clarify things, could be to use the word "Season" somewhere in the title. So Season 2003-04 in English football perhaps might make things a little clearer for people unfamiliar with football phrasings? Calexico (Talk) 09:47, 23 May 2004 (UTC)

League Tables
League Tables: Can someone organise the leagues into a table so it is easier to read showing Promotion and Relegation, also can someone create the Conference Table? arsenalwwerulz 17:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

 * For anyone who wants to help, can you please change the Football League Second & Third Division tables so that they resemble the ones shown on the page for the follwing season. Thanks Dreamweaverjack 23:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Article written like a newspaper report
I've tried to adjust it so that it doesn't look like a news report at the end of the season. Who was it that decided to use all the bare urls. Jodosma (talk) 20:14, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

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ACT Brumbies

The ACT Brumbies (known from 2005 to 2022 as simply the Brumbies) is an Australian professional rugby union team based in Canberra, Australian Capital Territory (ACT), The team competes in Super Rugby and named for the feral horses which inhabit the capital's hinterland. The team represents the ACT, as well as the Far South Coast and Southern Inland regions of New South Wales (NSW).

The Brumbies were formed in 1996 to provide a third Australian franchise for the newly formed Super 12 (now Super Rugby) competition. It was predicted that the Brumbies, made up of so-called 'rejects' – players not wanted by the other two teams – would perform poorly. Since then, they have enjoyed more success than all the other Australian teams combined, reaching seven finals and winning three. The Brumbies are traditionally known for their strong tactical kicking, set piece play, ball retention, and pressuring of opponents in their own half. The Brumbies are one of only two Super Rugby teams to win 200 games.

The Brumbies play in navy blue, white and gold kits. The team plays at Canberra Stadium (formerly known as Bruce Stadium) in Canberra, and are currently coached by Stephen Larkham.

Early years of rugby in ACT
Rugby union football has a long history in the region around what is now Canberra. The British Isles opened their 1899 tour of Australia with a match in Goulburn. However, it was not until 1937 that the ACT Rugby Union (ACTRU) was finally established. Lieutenant-Colonel H. C. H. Robertson was the first President of the ACTRU.

The First Grade competition was started on 30 April 1938. Four clubs playing in the inaugural season: University, Easts, the Royal Military College (RMC), and Norths. There were strict eligibility rules for each of the four teams: Also in 1938, a representative ACT side faced off against the All Blacks, with Frank Hassett scoring the ACT's only try in a 5–56 loss.
 * University players were required to be graduates or undergraduates at a university (at the time, Canberra University College, operated by the University of Melbourne, was the only university in Canberra);
 * Only service personnel, not members of RMC staff, were entitled join RMC; and,
 * Easts and Norths players had to be residentially qualified for two months.

Five ACT players were chosen for New South Wales Country in their 1966 match against the British & Irish Lions at Manuka Oval: The first international victory for the ACT was in 1973, when they defeated Tonga 17–6 after trailing 0–3 at half time. The ACT team were praised for their hard work, stamina, and willingness to take shots at goal when they were on offer. In 1978, the ACT defeated Wales, who were Five Nations champions at the time, with a late penalty goal to win 21–20 after trailing 6–16 at half time. Head coach Colin Maxwell explained that his team beat the best team in the world by being "the first team in Australia to take them on up the guts", with the ACT forwards starving the Welsh of possession and the team ensuring territorial advantage through pressure on the Welsh kickers. Tactical kicking, ball retention, and pressuring opponents in their own half are still considered to be "The Brumbies' ... traditional strength[s]".
 * Barry Sibley (Canberra Royals);
 * David Grimmond (Queanbeyan Whites);
 * Mel Dunn (Ainslie Rugby Football Club);
 * Peter Ryan (Queanbeyan Whites); and,
 * Bruce Bailey (Goulburn Dirty Reds).

The ACT adopted the name 'Kookaburras' in 1989. The Kookaburras defeated the Waratahs 44–28 at Sydney's Concord Oval in 1994. The Waratahs team was filled with international representatives, which made the Kookaburras win all the more impressive, and led the way for the ACT becoming a professional franchise. Concerns over player depth in the ACT were assuaged when the ACT reserve team beat the New South Wales reserve team.

The ACT Brumbies was formally established on 9 December 1995 in Jindabyne, Southern New South Wales and became Australia's third provincial team with the start of Super Rugby.

Super 12 era: 1996–2005
In the inaugural Super 12 season, under coach Rod Macqueen, the Brumbies finished fifth on the table after the regular season, narrowly missing out on a finals position. The following season was even more successful as the Brumbies entered the 1997 Super 12 Final, but lost to the Auckland Blues.

Eddie Jones took over as head coach in 1998, but the Brumbies fell to tenth place on the 1998 season ladder. However, the following season saw a big improvement, as they finished fifth for the second time in their Super rugby history, just missing out on the finals. In 2000, the Brumbies made it to the 2000 Super 12 Final for the second time, and were actually hosting it as well. They were however beaten by the Crusaders, losing 19 to 20.

In 2001 they backed up their good performance in 2000 to again enter the final, this time against the Sharks from Durban. The Brumbies won the match, and in doing so, became the first team outside of New Zealand to be crowned Super 12 champions (and the only such team in the Super 12 era; the Bulls of South Africa won the 2007 Super 14). That year the British Lions also came to Australia, and played a match against the Brumbies. The combined strength of four nations was pitted against the Brumbies Second XV with the tourists winning by just two points, 30 to 28.

David Nucifora took over as head coach at the Brumbies for the 2002 season. Under Nucifora the Brumbies entered their third Super 12 final in a row, again against the Crusaders who had defeated them in the 2000 final. The Crusaders won the match, 31 to 13. The following season, going for four straight final appearances, the Brumbies fell just short, being knocked out in the semi-finals by the Blues. They did however go on to beat Fiji and Tonga later that year.

In 2004 the Brumbies finished at the top of the Super 12 table, six points clear of the next best team. The Brumbies hosted the 2004 Super 12 Final as well, and were to face the Crusaders once again. Though this time, the Brumbies won, 47 to 38 in front of a record crowd at Canberra Stadium. During the off-season the ACT Rugby Union was renamed the ACT and Southern NSW Rugby Union, and the name of the team was changed to Brumbies Rugby.

Laurie Fisher took over as coach for the 2005 season. After an undefeated run in the early stages of the season, injuries began to mount up and the Brumbies eventually finished fifth, missing out on the finals. The following year the competition was expanded to the Super 14, introducing one new team from Australia and one new team from South Africa.

Super 14 era: 2006–2010
In 2006 the Brumbies finished sixth, missing out on the finals by 1 point, having never dropped out of the top four all season prior to the last round. Later that year the Brumbies played in the inaugural Australian Provincial Championship (APC). In their opening game they defeated the NSW Waratahs 14–13 at Viking Park. This win snapped a 3-game losing streak against their traditional rivals. They then went on to defeat the Western Force 25–10, again at Viking Park. Despite narrowly losing, 20–19, to the Queensland Reds on the road in Brisbane, the Brumbies won the right to face the Reds in the final back in Viking Park. They won this more comfortably, 42–17, securing the inaugural APC.

The side failed to make the playoffs at all during Super 14, though they never finished lower than ninth.

Super Rugby era: 2011–present
After a succession of coaches over the same period, including Laurie Fisher, Andy Friend and Tony Rea, former South Africa coach Jake White took over as coach of the side in April 2011, signing a four-year deal with the club. However, he was granted a release from his contract in September 2013, with two years left on his four-year contract.

In 2012, the Brumbies became the first Australian Super Rugby team to host an international fixture against a touring side. On 12 June, the Brumbies played Wales at Canberra Stadium while Wales was on their 2012 Summer tour. Wales won 25–15.

The Brumbies returned to form in the 2012, finishing second in the Australian conference, and seventh in the overall standings, narrowly missing the final-six and a place in the quarter finals.

In 2013, the Brumbies and the other Australian super rugby teams played the British & Irish Lions as part of the Lions' 2013 tour to Australia. The Brumbies earned a hard-fought 14–12 victory, the first defeat of the Lions on their tour.

The Brumbies continued their strong performances in 2013 by finishing first in the Australian conference and 3rd on the ladder to make their first finals appearance since they won the Super title in 2004. After defeating the Cheetahs in a close home final 15 – 13, the Brumbies travelled to Pretoria to face the Bulls and again achieved victory, 23–26. The team had to travel from South Africa to New Zealand to meet the Waikato Chiefs for the championship final the following week, and the Chiefs proved to be too strong, winning the final 27–22.

Following the end of the Super Rugby season the Brumbies sent a squad captained by Robbie Coleman to the invitational World Club 7s in England. The Brumbies won the series, defeating the Auckland Blues 17–14 in the final. Henry Speight was named the player of the tournament.

During the 2017 Super Rugby season, the Brumbies were one of three Australian franchises threatened with contraction when the Australian Rugby Union prevailed upon competition organiser SANZAAR to reduce the number of Australian sides in the competition from five to four after that season. The ARU later announced that the Brumbies would remain in the competition.

Colours and name
The Brumbies traditional colours are navy blue, white and gold. Their primary jersey is navy with gold trim, with navy shorts and socks. The alternate jersey is gold and yellow, generally worn for away matches. The Brumbies also have a traditional jersey which is used for games against fellow Australian Super 12 foundation teams NSW and Queensland, which reflects the original home jersey worn between 1996 and 2005. This features a navy 'saddle' across the shoulders and white below chest level, with gold trim. The primary jersey sponsor is Safeguard Global, who signed a 3-year deal as naming rights sponsor of both men's and women's teams starting in 2023.

The team is named after the feral horses which inhabit Canberra's hinterland. The Brumbies mascot is Brumby Jack, with his counterpart Brumby Jill joining as a co-mascot in the 2010s. The Brumbies were originally known as the ACT Brumbies when they were accepted into the Super 12 for its inaugural season in 1996. Shortly after the 2004 season, two regional governing bodies in New South Wales – Far South Coast Rugby Union and Southern Inland Rugby Union, joined the ACT Rugby Union, which then renamed itself the ACT and Southern NSW Rugby Union. The team adopted a new name and logo for the 2005 season, dropping the "ACT" to become known simply as "The Brumbies". The name change identified that the team represented an area much larger than the Australian Capital Territory – with "Brumbies Territory" incorporating a number of regions through southern New South Wales including the Riverina, Shoalhaven, and Southern Highlands as well as the Sunraysia region incorporating parts of Victoria.

Stadium
The Brumbies play all their home fixtures at Canberra Stadium, located adjacent to the Australian Institute of Sport in Canberra. They share the ground with the Canberra Raiders rugby league team. Also, the Canberra Vikings, the Brumbies' affiliate in the short-lived Australian Rugby Championship, played one of their four regular-season home matches there. In 2003 matches from the 2003 Rugby World Cup were played at the stadium. Capacity is a nominal all-seated 25,011, however the largest crowd is actually 28,753, which was for the 2004 Super 12 Final. The Brumbies team did not use Canberra Stadium for their post-season APC games, instead taking their home fixtures to Canberra's Viking Park, which has a smaller capacity.

New South Wales Waratahs
The Brumbies have traditionally had a fierce rivalry with the NSW Waratahs. Ascendency in the rivalry is now formally recognised by holding the Dan Vickerman Cup. The Brumbies are currently on an eleven-game winning streak against the.

In July 1994, before the formation of the Brumbies, the Canberra Kookaburras defeated the 44–28 at Concord Oval in Sydney. The 1994 side was otherwise unbeaten, but had missed an opportunity to compete for the 1994 Super 10 title due to a refusal to tour Apartheid South Africa. As a result, the Brumbies were the only team to beat the 1994 Waratahs.

The original Brumbies team was primarily made of players from the 1994 Kookaburras game, 'rejects', and Queenslanders: all groups with reasons to dislike the. Brisbane-born Brumby Troy Coker summed it up with "There was this entitlement thing around NSW rugby that the Canberra boys had a real distaste for." Ironically, despite being a team of 'rejects', the Brumbies have been the most successful Australian team in all competitions in the Super Rugby era.

Traditionally, the ACT-NSW rivalry was dominated by home victories (The only Brumbies away loss in the 2000 Season was against the ), with only two away victories in the Super 12 era, and none in the Super 14 era. The first away win in the rivalry came in the 2002 Semi Final, which the Brumbies won 51–10 at Sydney Football Stadium. The won the first regular season away game in 2005. Dan Vickerman played for the winning team in both victories.

Since 2011, home dominance is no longer as significant: the first clash in the Super 15 era saw the win 29–22 at Canberra Stadium, with the Brumbies getting revenge the following year with a 19–15 victory at the Sydney Football Stadium. Between the round 12 clash in 2015 and the round 17 clash in 2019, the homes team lost six of the seven games.

The got revenge for the 2002 Semi Final in the 2014 Semi Final, which they won 26–8. In the absence of Dave Dennis (their regular captain), the were captained by Michael Hooper, who was named the Brumbies' best forward only two years earlier.

Brumbies fans took a lot of joy from beating the 40–31 in the final round of 2018, as this prevented the  from finishing 2nd on the overall table. Daryl Gibson, head coach of the, exclaimed that his side "was not focused on the job at hand, and getting ahead of itself in terms of already being in next week". Brumbies fans got additional joy from Gibson's post-match press conference, where he (incorrectly) claimed that the result did not affect the playoffs picture.

Crusaders
The Brumbies have a historic rivalry with the due to the two teams' predominance in early Super Rugby history. From 2010 to 2023, the Brumbies lost eleven games in a row against the. In 2024, the Brumbies won their first game against the Crusaders in 15 years.

Between 1997 and 2006, every Grand Final included at least one of the Brumbies or the. The two sides have met in three grand finals:
 * 2000, at Bruce Stadium, Canberra, which the won 20–19.
 * 2002, at Jade Stadium, Christchurch, which the won 31–13.
 * 2004, at Bruce Stadium, Canberra, which the Brumbies won 47–38.

Former players and pundits likened the intensity of the clashes in the Super 12 and Super 14 era to Test match rugby, saying "It was basically the Wallabies v the All Blacks" and "Every time they met it was just great running rugby".

In common with the Waratahs rivalry, the away side rarely won in encounters during the Super 12 and Super 14 era. The Brumbies are the only team to have scored 50 points against the (when they beat them in 2001), and have recorded the highest ever score in a grand final against them (47 points in the 2004 final). However, the Brumbies did not win a game against the between 2009 and 2024, taking only two out of a maximum forty-five competition points from games against the  in the 2010s. The Brumbies were rarely criticised for their poor record against the Crusaders since 2009. Throughout the Brumbies streak of eleven losses against the, the Brumbies weere generally competitive with the , having been within a score in their 2013, 2017, and 2021 fixtures.

Despite a long losing streak, the Brumbies remain one of few sides to have a (relatively) competitive win–loss record against the Crusaders. At the end of the Super 14 era, the Brumbies' record against the was eight wins in eighteen games (44%). As on 18 May 2024, that record was nine wins in thirty games (30%). At that time, only two other current Super Rugby teams have a higher win rate against the : the (15/46, or 33%), and the  (20/51, or 39%).

Queensland Reds
The 2020 Super Rugby AU final was contested by the Brumbies and the Reds, with the Brumbies winning 28–23. The Reds only won one game between these teams in the first fifteen years of Super Rugby. The Reds have the only away win in this rivalry since 2015, beating the Brumbies 40–38 in Canberra in a great Australian derby despite trailing 17-0 early in the game. The fierce rivals contested the 2021 Super Rugby AU final later that year, with The Reds winning 19–16.

The four years that Ewen McKenzie, who played for the Brumbies in Super 12, was coach of the Reds was considered the high water mark of the interstate rivalry. In 2010, 2012, and 2013, the Rod Macqueen Cup games decided whether either the Brumbies or the Reds made the playoff. In 2010, the Rod Macqueen Cup game was the difference between the Reds finishing 4th (in the playoffs) and 5th (not in the playoffs). In 2012 and 2013, if the losing team had won just one of the Rod Macqueen Cup games, they would have won the conference ahead of the other.

Development teams
The Australian Capital Territory's two elite development squads just below full-time professional level are the Brumbies A and ACT Under 19 teams. These teams are closely aligned with the Brumbies and train at the same venue used by the Super Rugby squad. Many Brumbies players not involved in international rugby play for Canberra's team in the National Rugby Championship which also draws from the elite development squads. – See: Canberra Vikings

Brumbies A
The Brumbies A team plays matches against interstate and international representative teams, and has also competed in tournaments such as the Pacific Rugby Cup. Known by various names including ACT A, ACT XV, Brumbies A, and Brumby Runners, the team is selected from the best emerging rugby talent in the ACT and Southern NSW. The squad is composed of Brumbies contracted players, extended training squad members, ACT Under 19s, and selected Premier Division club players.

Under 19
The Brumbies under 19 side plays in the URC competition. ACT teams played in the Southern States Tournament up until 2015 and also played occasional matches against other representative sides such as Pacific Rugby Cup teams. Prior to 2008, state colts teams at under 21 and under 21 age levels were fielded in national competitions. In 2018, an under 19 age limit was reinstated for the colts teams.

Season standings

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 * align=center bgcolor=#FFE6BD|Super 12
 * align=center bgcolor=#FFCCCC|Super 14
 * align=center bgcolor=#87CEEB|Super Rugby
 * align=center bgcolor=#90EE90|COVID-affected seasons
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! width="2%" | Year ! width="12%" | Competition ! width="4%" | Table Position ! width="4%" | Played ! width="4%" | Won ! width="4%" | Drawn ! width="4%" | Lost ! width="4%" | Points For ! width="4%" | Points Against ! width="4%" | Points +/- ! width="5%" | Bonus Points ! width="5%" | Try Bonus Points ! width="5%" | Loss Bonus Points ! width="5%" | Total Points ! width="20%" | Finals Notes
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 * - align=center bgcolor=#FFE6BD
 * colspan="2"|  1996 Super 12 season        ||   5th    || 11 || 7  || 0 || 4  || 306 || 273 || +33  || 4  || 4     || 0      || 32 || align=left | Missed finals on tiebreakers (bonus points)
 * - align=center bgcolor=#FFE6BD
 * colspan="2"|  1997 Super 12 season        ||   2nd    || 11 || 8  || 0 || 3  || 406 || 291 || +115 || 9  || 9     || 0      || 41 || align=left | Lost final to
 * - align=center bgcolor=#FFE6BD
 * colspan="2"|  1998 Super 12 season        ||   10th   || 11 || 3  || 0 || 8  || 248 || 364 || −166 || 5  || 3     || 2      || 17 || align=left |
 * - align=center bgcolor=#FFE6BD
 * colspan="2"|  1999 Super 12 season        ||   5th    || 11 || 5  || 0 || 6  || 278 || 195 || +83  || 8  || 3     || 5      || 28 || align=left | Missed finals on head-to-head with
 * - align=center bgcolor=#FFE6BD
 * colspan="2"|  2000 Super 12 season        ||   1st    || 11 || 9  || 0 || 2  || 393 || 196 || +197 || 9  || 7     || 2      || 45 || align=left | Lost final to
 * - align=center bgcolor=#FFE6BD
 * colspan="2"|  2001 Super 12 season        ||   1st    || 11 || 8  || 0 || 3  || 348 || 204 || +144 || 8  || 6     || 2      || 40 || align=left | Defeated  in final
 * - align=center bgcolor=#FFE6BD
 * colspan="2"|  2002 Super 12 season        ||   3rd    || 11 || 7  || 0 || 4  || 374 || 230 || +144 || 10 || 7     || 3      || 38 || align=left | Lost final to
 * - align=center bgcolor=#FFE6BD
 * colspan="2"|  2003 Super 12 season        ||   4th    || 11 || 6  || 0 || 5  || 358 || 313 || +45  || 7  || 5     || 2      || 31 || align=left | Lost semi-final to
 * - align=center bgcolor=#FFE6BD
 * colspan="2"|  2004 Super 12 season        ||   1st    || 11 || 8  || 0 || 3  || 408 || 269 || +139 || 8  || 8     || 0      || 40 || align=left | Defeated  in final
 * - align=center bgcolor=#FFE6BD
 * colspan="2"|  2005 Super 12 season        ||   5th    || 11 || 5  || 1 || 5  || 260 || 266 || −6   || 7  || 5     || 2      || 29 || align=left | Missed finals on head-to-head with
 * - align=center bgcolor=#FFCCCC
 * colspan="2"|  2006 Super 14 season        ||   6th    || 13 || 8  || 1 || 4  || 326 || 269 || +57  || 4  || 3     || 1      || 38 || align=left | Missed finals on tiebreakers (bonus points and point differential)
 * - align=center bgcolor=#FFCCCC
 * colspan="2"|  2007 Super 14 season        ||   5th    || 13 || 9  || 0 || 4  || 234 || 173 || +61  || 4  || 2     || 2      || 40 || align=left | Missed finals on tiebreakers (bonus points)
 * - align=center bgcolor=#FFCCCC
 * colspan="2"|  2008 Super 14 season        ||   9th    || 13 || 6  || 0 || 7  || 277 || 317 || −40  || 6  || 4     || 2      || 30 || align=left |
 * - align=center bgcolor=#FFCCCC
 * colspan="2"|  2009 Super 14 season        ||   7th    || 13 || 8  || 0 || 5  || 311 || 305 || +6   || 6  || 5     || 1      || 38 || align=left | Missed finals on tiebreakers (drawn games by )
 * - align=center bgcolor=#FFCCCC
 * colspan="2"|  2010 Super 14 season        ||   6th    || 13 || 8  || 0 || 5  || 358 || 291 || +67  || 5  || 3     || 2      || 37 || align=left | Missed finals on tiebreakers (drawn games by )
 * - align=center bgcolor=#87CEEB
 * colspan="2"|  2011 Super Rugby season     ||   13th   || 16 || 4  || 1 || 11 || 314 || 437 || −123 || 7  || 3     || 4      || 33 || align=left |
 * - align=center bgcolor=#87CEEB
 * colspan="2"|  2012 Super Rugby season     ||   7th    || 16 || 10 || 0 || 6  || 404 || 331 || +73  || 10 || 5     || 5      || 58 || align=left | Missed finals on tiebreakers (win rate of )
 * - align=center bgcolor=#87CEEB
 * colspan="2"|  2013 Super Rugby season     ||   3rd    || 16 || 10 || 2 || 4  || 430 || 295 || +135 || 8  || 5     || 3      || 60 || align=left | Lost final to
 * - align=center bgcolor=#87CEEB
 * colspan="2"|  2014 Super Rugby season     ||   4th    || 16 || 10 || 0 || 6  || 412 || 378 || +34  || 5  || 4     || 1      || 45 || align=left | Lost semi final to
 * - align=center bgcolor=#87CEEB
 * colspan="2"|  2015 Super Rugby season     ||   6th    || 16 || 9  || 0 || 7  || 369 || 261 || +108 || 11 || 6     || 5      || 47 || align=left | Lost semi final to
 * - align=center bgcolor=#87CEEB
 * colspan="2"|  2016 Super Rugby season     ||   4th    || 15 || 10 || 0 || 5  || 425 || 326 || +99  || 3  || 3     || 0      || 43 || align=left | Lost quarterfinal to
 * - align=center bgcolor=#87CEEB
 * colspan="2"|  2017 Super Rugby season     ||   4th    || 15 || 6  || 0 || 9  || 315 || 279 || +36  || 10 || 3     || 7      || 34 || align=left | Lost quarterfinal to
 * - align=center bgcolor=#87CEEB
 * colspan="2"|  2018 Super Rugby season     ||   10th   || 16 || 7  || 0 || 9  || 393 || 422 || -29  || 6  || 2     || 4      || 34 || align=left | Missed finals on tiebreakers (drawn games by )
 * - align=center bgcolor=#87CEEB
 * colspan="2"|  2019 Super Rugby season     ||   3rd    || 16 || 10 || 0 || 6  || 430 || 366 || +64  || 8  || 5     || 3      || 48 || align=left | Lost semifinal to
 * - align=center bgcolor=#90EE90
 * rowspan="3"|2020||  2020 Total    ||   N/A    || 14 || 11 || 0 || 3  || 397 || 262 || +135 || 7  || 6     || 1      || 51 || align=left rowspan="3"| 2020 Super Rugby season cancelled due to the COVID-19 pandemic, Brumbies second overall, first overall in points per game.  Defeated Reds in 2020 Super Rugby AU season final.
 * - align=center bgcolor=#90EE90
 * 2020 Super Rugby season           ||   2nd    || 6  || 5  || 0 || 1  || 208 || 115 || +93  || 3  || 2     || 1      || 23
 * - align=center bgcolor=#90EE90
 * 2020 Super Rugby AU season        ||   1st    || 8  || 6  || 0 || 2  || 189 || 147 || +42  || 4  || 4     || 0      || 28
 * - align=center bgcolor=#90EE90
 * rowspan="3"|2021||  2021 Total    ||   N/A    || 13 || 7  || 0 || 6  || 349 || 317 || +32  || 6  || 3     || 3      || 34 || align=left rowspan="3"| Lost 2021 Super Rugby AU season final to Reds.
 * - align=center bgcolor=#90EE90
 * 2021 Super Rugby AU season        ||   2nd    || 8  || 6  || 0 || 2  || 267 || 165 || +102 || 5  || 3     || 2      || 29
 * - align=center bgcolor=#90EE90
 * Super Rugby Trans-Tasman          ||   6th    || 5  || 1  || 0 || 4  || 82  || 152 || -70  || 1  || 0     || 1      || 5
 * - align=center bgcolor=#87CEEB
 * colspan="2"|2022 Super Rugby Pacific season||  4th    || 14 || 10 || 0 || 4  || 404 || 306 || +98  || 4  || 3     || 1      || 44 || align=left | Lost semifinal to
 * - align=center bgcolor=#87CEEB
 * colspan="2"|2023 Super Rugby Pacific season||  4th    || 14 || 10 || 0 || 4  || 474 || 393 || +81  || 6  || 5     || 1      || 46 || align=left | Lost semifinal to
 * - align=center bgcolor=#87CEEB
 * colspan="2"|2024 Super Rugby Pacific season||  TBC    || 12 || 10 || 0 || 2  || 333 || 275 || +58  || 3  || 3     || 0      || 43 || align=left | As of 18 May 2024
 * }

Current squad
The squad for the 2024 Super Rugby Pacific season is:

Captains
As of 10 April 2022, there have been nineteen Brumbies captains. Ten of those captains were club captains, and eleven of those had been game-day only captains.

Ben Mowen captained the side on 51 occasions, more than any other Brumbies captain. He was Captain for every game in his Brumbies career, and only missed two games in that period: against the Lions in 2012, and against the Rebels in 2013.

Only four players under 26 have captained the Brumbies: Owen Finegan, George Gregan, Nic White, and Ryan Lonergan. Nic White became the youngest Captain in Brumbies history when he captained the side against the Rebels on 7 June 2013. He was 22 years and 359 days old at the time.

Only four players over 32 have captained the Brumbies: Owen Finegan, Stephen Moore, Scott Fardy, and Nic White. Stephen Moore became the oldest Captain in Brumbies history when he captained the side against the Reds on 13 February 2015. He was 32 years and 24 days old at the time. With his final game for the Brumbies against the Highlanders on 22 July 2016, he set the current record for oldest Brumbies captain at 33 years and 184 days.

George Gregan is the only Brumbies captain to play every game of his captaincy tenure. Allan Alaalatoa is the only Brumbies captain to miss games of his captaincy tenure due to suspension.

There are more caps as Captain than there are Brumbies games. This is due to the Brumbies adopting the co-Captaincy model between 2016 and 2018.

Club Captains
• Brett Robinson: 1996–2000

• George Gregan: 2001–2003

• Stirling Mortlock: 2004–2008

• Stephen Hoiles: 2009–2010

• Matt Giteau: 2011

• Ben Mowen: 2012–2014

• Stephen Moore: 2015

• Christian Lealiifano & Stephen Moore: 2016

• Sam Carter & Christian Lealiifano: 2017–2018

• Christian Lealiifano: 2019

• Allan Alaalatoa: 2020–present (Correct as of 10 April 2023)

All Time Brumbies XV
During the gap between Super Rugby 2020 and the 2020 domestic competition, the Brumbies ran a fan poll to select an All Time Brumbies XV.

List of individual accolades
Several Brumbies players have gone on to achieve greater recognition in the Rugby community, achieving such things as:

 * Being nominated for World Rugby Player of the Year
 * George Gregan - Nominated in 2001
 * George Smith - Nominated in 2001
 * Matt Giteau - Nominated in 2004, 2009
 * David Pocock - Nominated in 2010, 2011, 2015
 * Being inducted to the World Rugby Hall of Fame
 * George Gregan - Inducted in 2013
 * Stephen Larkham - Inducted in 2018
 * George Smith - Inducted in 2023
 * Winning the John Eales Medal
 * Rob Valetini - Won in 2023
 * David Pocock - Won in 2010, 2018
 * Matt Giteau - Won in 2009
 * George Smith - Won in 2002, 2008
 * Jeremy Paul - Won in 2005
 * Winning the Rugby World Cup
 * Joe Roff - Won in 1999
 * Rod Kafer - Won in 1999
 * Stephen Larkham - Won in 1999
 * George Gregan - Won in 1999
 * Brett Robinson - Won in 1999
 * Jim Williams - Won in 1999
 * David Giffin - Won in 1999
 * Owen Finegan - Won in 1999
 * Jeremy Paul - Won in 1999
 * Ewen McKenzie - Won in 1991
 * Winning Australian Super Rugby Player of the Year
 * Rob Valetini - Won in 2022
 * David Pocock - Won in 2015
 * George Smith - Won in 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006
 * Joe Roff - Won in 2003, 1999
 * Stirling Mortlock - Won in 2002
 * Stephen Larkham - Won in 1998
 * Winning the Brett Robinson Award
 * James Slipper - Won in 2023
 * Allan Alaalatoa - Won in 2022, 2020 and 2019
 * Rob Valetini - Won in 2021
 * Rory Arnold - Won in 2018
 * Henry Speight - Won in 2017
 * Christian Lealiifano - Won in 2016
 * David Pocock - Won in 2015
 * Jarrad Butler - Won in 2014
 * George Smith - Won in 2013, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005, 2004, 2003, and 2001
 * Stephen Moore - Won in 2012
 * Matt Giteau - Won in 2011
 * Stirling Mortlock - Won in 2002
 * Jim Williams - Won in 2000
 * George Gregan - Won in 1999 and 1997
 * Stephen Larkham - Won in 1998
 * Owen Finegan - Won in 1996
 * Winning the Nick Farr-Jones Spirit of Rugby Award
 * Garry 'Quinzo' Quinlivan - Won in 2020
 * Scott Fardy - Won in 2018

100 Club
Note: Accurate as of 30 January 2020. Players in Bold are still playing for the Brumbies. Players in Bolded Italics are still playing Super Rugby.
 * 154 – Ben Alexander
 * 150 – Christian Lealiifano
 * 142 – George Smith
 * 136 – George Gregan
 * 136 - Tevita Kuridrani
 * 123 – Stirling Mortlock
 * 122 – Henry Speight
 * 122 - Sam Carter
 * 117 – Stephen Moore
 * 116 – Stephen Larkham
 * 116 - Scott Sio
 * 112 – Jeremy Paul
 * 102 – Mark Chisholm
 * 100 – Bill Young

Coaches
Also see Category:ACT Brumbies coaches.

As of 18 May 2024.

Team records

 * Individual records sourced from 2020 Brumbies Official Sourcebook.
 * Team records sourced from SAANZAR Results records.

Individual Records
As of 26 September 2021. Players in bold currently play for the Brumbies.

Team Records
As of 18 May 2024. and to be added to home/away sections after at least five fixtures in each.

 * Note: The Brumbies also played four Super Rugby fixtures against the and two Super Rugby fixtures against the, but due to their small sample size, their results are not included in this table.

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The White Disease

The White Plague is a play written by Czech writer Karel Čapek in 1937. Written at a time of increasing threat from Nazi Germany to Czechoslovakia, it portrays a human response to a tense, prewar situation in an unnamed country that greatly resembles Germany with one extra addition: an uncurable white disease, a form of leprosy, is selectively killing off people older than 45. It was adapted as the film Skeleton on Horseback by Hugo Haas.

Plot
A disease known as morbus chengi or the "White Disease" is spreading throughout the world. The disease has symptoms similar to leprosy and strangely only affects those older than forty-five, typically killing its victims within 3-5 months. The pandemic has sent a panic across the country, especially among the older generations; however, the government, led by a dictator known simply as the Marshal, is more focused on using the pandemic as an opportunity for war than finding a cure.

Doctor Galén (a reference to the Roman doctor Galen) has discovered a cure for the disease. However, he refuses to reveal his cure until world peace is declared. Until then, he vows only to cure the poor, as he believes that only the rich have the power to realize his wishes. The government, meanwhile, eager to maintain public order and tranquility, is sponsoring a ruse, allegedly a former student of Galén, who sells fake cures to the rich. These consist largely of removing cosmetic symptoms.

The war begins with the army invading a neighboring small nation, a thinly veiled reference to Czechoslovakia. Other European nations, including England, declare war in response to aggression. Suddenly, the Marshal falls ill himself and will soon die. He realizes that without his personal military genius the country will inevitably lose the war because he was always reticent about promoting capable commanders. His family asks for Galén's help, and the Marshal reluctantly accepts his terms for peace. Galén attempts to reach the Marshal, but is killed at a pro-war youth rally after refusing to join in with their pro-war chant. The aftermath is left ambiguous, and it is uncertain if Europe will be plagued by both the war and the disease, as Galen's formula is destroyed in the struggle.

Reception
The first Czech performance of The White Plague was lauded by the Czech critics Jindřich Vodák, Josef Träger and Václav Černý; on the other hand, the right-wing politician Jiří Stříbrný, as well as the fascist Slovak Hlinka party, strongly criticised the play (the latter group described it as "harmful"). Max Brod predicted the play would be successful abroad, while Thomas Mann sent Čapek a letter praising The White Disease. Čapek was later awarded the state prize for drama for the play. The Czech production of The White Disease in 1937 was given approving coverage by the British pacifist magazine Peace News. The Hebrew version staged by Habima premiered in Tel Aviv on 28 September 1938, one day before the Munich Agreement which led to Germany's annexation of the Sudeten territory.

Translations
The play was first translated into English by Paul Selver and Ralph Neale in 1938; Capek biographer Ivan Klíma calls the Selver/Neale translation "a seriously flawed adaptation". Michael Henry Heim translated the play in 1988 for Crosscurrents: A Yearbook of Central European Culture. Peter Majer and Cathy Porter translated The White Disease for Methuen Drama in 1999.

title: The White Disease


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Talk:Moanalua High School

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I am damn near positive that this is not the only school whose orchestra played Carnegie. I remember my high school (Deerfield High School, Deerfield, IL) going to Carnegie and playing there, and I'm pretty sure that our sister school (Highland Park High School) went and played on the same trip. I wasn't in the orchestra, but I had friends who were, and I distinctly remember the trip. I'll try and get some evidence for my claim before I remove the relevant line in this article. Posiduck 06:34, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Found some evidence:

Sympony Orchestra:

"Description: all sophomore, junior and senior string instrument players enroll in Symphony Orchestra. Permission of orchestra director must be obtained to enroll in this class.  Students perform in public concerts, recitals, assemblies and contests.  Orchestra members may also participate in Chamber Ensembles, Musical Pit Orchestra, perform solos with an orchestra accompaniment and take occasional trips, such as playing at Carnegie Hall.  Please see your Program of Studies for further information on these groups!" Posiduck 06:34, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

While you are correct that Moanalua High School is not the first student orchestra to perform at Carnegie Hall, the State of Hawaii and the Carnegie Hall Corporation states that Moanalua High School is indeed the first to be officially invited by the governing Carnegie Hall Corporation to play at the prestigious concert hall on the basis of talent alone. Other schools who have played at Carnegie Hall played as part of larger educational programs as vendors that happened to have rented Carnegie Hall and named Carnegie Hall as sponsor on that basis alone. --Gerald Farinas 16:39, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Damon on the Committee of Safety?
The article states that Damon was "actively involved", but that article doesn't list him as a member. Was he actively involved but not a member?

School students image
Image:Moanaluastudents.jpg is used in many articles about schools, it would be best to find a replacement before it is deleted for lack of source and copyright. If we all look together we should find one in no time. Please post your responses at Image talk:Moanaluastudents.jpg. Thanks! Foofy 21:09, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Citation of sources
This article does not cite any sources for the claims that it makes regarding the school. Some of these claims really do need citations, such as the claim to the first invitation to Carnegie Hall, etc. I wanted to make the editors of this page aware of my objections to its content before placed a Unreferenced tag. — Scm83x hook 'em 01:18, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe start by labelling individual claims that need verification with citeneeded, and if nothing happens within a reasonable period of time, delete the claims. Scm83x, do you have thoughts on whether the article is still of Portal:Schools showcase standard? It's a very good article apart from this lack of references for some claims. I wonder if some of the stuff is mentioned on the school's website somewhere. Harr o 5 00:25, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it still needs fleshing out by someone familiar with the topic. If those claims aren't cited soon, they should be citeneeded'ed and then much later commented out until they are cited.  Claims such as:
 * "Moanalua High School also has the distinction of graduating the most valedictorians each year, in comparison to the other schools of the Hawaii State Department of Education. As many as one dozen of students graduate with the honor in a single class, arguably indicative of the strength of the school's academic programs."
 * These comments and many others needed citations. — Scm83x hook 'em 00:37, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

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Alumni list
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Talk:1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens

Photographic and video record

 * This needs to be referenced before being put back into the article. --mav (reviews needed) 02:53, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

The eruption of Mount St. Helens on May 18, 1980 was also one of the most well documented volcanic eruptions in recorded history. It is also one of very few major volcanic eruptions ever to be recorded on film at the moment of eruption. Early that morning at around 3 a.m. local time, KOMO-TV news photographer Dave Crockett had left Seattle in a KOMO-TV news car bound for a lookout on the South Fork of the Toutle River where news crews had been stationed previously. At a campground 10 mi away to the northeast, amateur photographer Gary Rosenquist as well as University of Washington graduate student Keith Ronnholm had been waiting. In the air directly above the volcano, geologists Keith and Dorothy Stoffel had chartered a Cessna aircraft from Yakima to do some photographic documentation of the summit bulge. To the west near the South Fork Toutle River, ham radio operators Ty and Mariana Kearney were stationed at a lookout point monitoring the activity for an emergency radio network.

At the moment of eruption, Gary Rosenquist was alerted to the volcano by a few members of his camping party and began firing off the first of a 24-frame sequence that clearly illustrated the landslide and beginning moments of the lateral blast and simultaneously doing so was Keith Ronnholm a few feet away. At the same time, Ty and Mariana Kearney were photographing it from the west side, as well as Keith and Dorothy Stoffel from the air. Arriving also at the moment of eruption was KOMO News photographer Dave Crockett. As the ash cloud loomed overhead and continued to spread out, a lahar coming down the South Fork Toutle River blocked his path of escape. He then got out of the car and began filming the eruption's ash column as well as the lightning and the lahars. As the cloud began darkening the sky he began a trek up a logging road and turned the camera on once again, this time narrating his video in what was recorded as a "death march." The video, of which 11 minutes is recorded in total darkness, was played out on newscasts worldwide.

Several other photographers perished during the blast. Reid Blackburn, photographer for The Columbian and monitor for the United States Geological Survey, was killed at his campsite, eight miles (13 km) from the volcano. He took several photos, but the film was destroyed by the pyroclastic flows. Robert Landsberg (spelled Landsburg in some accounts) succumbed to the eruption, but managed to secure his camera film; though damaged by the eruption, his photos—depicting the advancing pyroclastic surge—were processed and published in National Geographic magazine in 1981.

In the news
NASA’s Earth Observatory published a report on the occasion of the 35th anniversary of the eruption. All media included in the report and the report itself are in the public domain. --DarTar (talk) 04:39, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Deaths
Two questions about the people who died:

1) Four people died indirectly from the eruption: one in a plane crash caused by ash-induced poor visibility, one in a car crash also caused by poor visibility, and two from heart attacks caused by shoveling ash.  Should they be added to the death toll, or otherwise mentioned in the article?

2) There's some belief that the official death toll of 57 is not accurate. The Columbian and The Daily News Online mentions that two victims, Paul Hiatt and Dale Thayer, may have escaped the eruption and been found alive later, and remain listed only because the government can't completely prove they're the ones of those names who were reported missing.  The Columbian also mentions three missing people—Robert Ruffle, Steven Whitsett, and Mark Melanson—that Cowlitz County, Washington lists as possibly but not officially killed in the eruption.  Should these two differences of opinion be noted? 71.226.144.42 (talk) 04:17, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem so long as we word it along of the lines of that the death toll is not precisely know however.....and then add the information.--MONGO 06:45, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The four "ash victims" have been mentioned. Not sure where I should put the info on the disputed death toll. 68.156.95.34 (talk) 07:51, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, tell me how this sounds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_eruption_of_Mount_St._Helens#Disputed_death_toll — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.156.95.34 (talk) 09:51, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

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Direct results: amount of reduction in height
This is an excellent article, my congratulations to head editors! At chapter 1980_eruption_of_Mount_St._Helens i found the fact that Mt. St. Helens' summit had been reduced by about 1280 feet (390 m). When comparing the volcanoe's pre-eruptive height of 9677' (2949.5 m) with the post-erutive one of 8363' (2549 m), the resulting difference is 1314' (400.5 m). Data are taken from Mount_St._Helens Maybe this could be added to the chapter with remark of divergent data concerning loss of height. I do not attend to modify this myself, as being neither familiar with this science, nor being a native speaker. Kind greetings to all! Stamnariophilus 08:08, 5 October 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stamnaria0568 (talk • contribs)

 * Thanks for reporting the different heights in the two articles. I have added a "contradictory" tag to this article to draw more attention to this. GeoWriter (talk) 16:00, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Direct results: area of ashfall
Can some clearer definition of the ashfall zone be given? At one place, it states that detectable levels of ash covered 22,000 square miles, a fraction of the size of Washington state. The map shows ashfall half-way across the Northern United States, maybe half a million square miles. And I personally remember living on the East Coast, almost 3,000 miles away, and having our playground equipment covered in tiny round balls of ash, almost resembling earthworm detritus.2600:8806:1107:7600:35DC:5AD3:AB1F:5454 (talk) 15:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi Protection
Would anybody object to this article being semi protected? It seems that just about all edits to this article are vandalism and reverting of vandalism. TornadoLGS (talk) 20:16, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Since 1915 or...
The article states "The eruption was the most significant to occur in the contiguous 48 U.S. states since the much smaller 1915 eruption of Lassen Peak in California". But in that case, it was the most significant for a longer time. Indeed, as I cannot find evidence of larger eruptions, I am changing the text. KarlFrei (talk) 06:32, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

 * Never mind, I just read the next sentence :-) Removed some vandalism anyway. KarlFrei (talk) 06:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Victims
Here is a table of victims sorted by their distance away from the eruption. Feel free to include it in the article. I found this geographic data while trying to determine where Robert Landsburg was when he took his photos that were published in National Geographic.

Sources:
 * http://www.tdn.com/app/helens/victims.php, which appears to be based on the same data as
 * https://www.columbian.com/news/2010/may/18/interactive-map-mount-st-helens-eruption-victims/ (https://pcdn.columbian.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Picture_14.png), which is expressly sourced from
 * Richard B. Waitt/USGS
 * Ray Blaisdell/Skamania County Sheriffs Office
 * Cowlitz County Emergency Service Management

JonathanFreed (talk) 19:48, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Largest landslide?
The 1888 Ritter Island tsunami is said by that article to have been twice as large. What gives?—Jasper Deng (talk) 19:36, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I've fixed the wikilink, hope that's ok
 * The cited source states "The collapse of the north flank produced the largest landslide-debris avalanche recorded in historic time." I couldn't find the size of the Ritter Island event in the source cited in that article, but it seems to be a widely held view. However, a more recent review of the landslide deposit (Karstens et al. 2019) suggest that it wasn't necessarily bigger than the Mount St Helens collapse, as the estimated size of the deposit probably incorporated a large amount of existing seafloor sediment "By distinguishing between gradual deformation and catastrophic failure, the volume of the rapidly moving phase of the Ritter collapse (2.4 km3) may have been even smaller than the 2.7 km3 calculated for the 1980 Mount St. Helens sector collapse using a similar approach (Moore et al., 1981), which questions whether the 1888 Ritter sector collapse should be classified as the largest historic sector collapse." Mikenorton (talk) 23:06, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

It's the largest landslide in modern recorded history. Also the largest landslide ever to be recorded. Spiel (talk) 03:14, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

school work for those
Use this for a project if needed 2A00:23C7:8F99:DE01:F5D8:F8A1:7010:CAEB (talk) 17:36, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

HOW MANY WERE INJURED OR HOW DID THIS AFFECT THE WORLD
I have no clue how many people got injured or what happend to the  world.2A00:23C7:8F99:DE01:F5D8:F8A1:7010:CAEB (talk) 17:37, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

 * I've changed your question to lower case from your original capitals, as people fine them harder to read. The number of injured does not appear to have been definitively recorded. The USGS "Impact and aftermath" webpage just says "scores of injuries" with no details, while Bernstein et al. (1996) state that there were 12 injuries amongst survivors in the "damaged areas", while outside the "tree destruction zone" there were two deaths but all the survivors "escaped without serious injury". The USGS "Impact and aftermath" does not record any impacts outside the vicinity of the volcano. Significant ashfall was mostly confined to Washington state. Mikenorton (talk) 19:40, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Map
Did the ash fall really miraculously stop at the US-Canada border? Amazing. --24.76.103.169 (talk) 20:17, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * No it did not just stop at the border, the map is specifically showing ash fall amounts within the United States, and not outside of it. 🌀CycloneFootball71🏈 |sandbox 01:21, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Map
I question the validity of the US map of ash distribution. I have several friends from Portland, OR who dealt with the ash fallout, but the map does not include them. Spiel (talk) 03:15, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

 * I believe the US map is specifically for the May 18th eruption and measured fallout from that specific eruption event, which would have missed Portland due to the prevailing winds at that time. I do know that Portland experienced ash fallout too, but it was from prior eruptions and also from subsequent eruptions of a smaller scale, which carried the ash there, Despite this map showing the fallout for the May 18th eruption, I still somewhat question its validity as well, I know several people from outside of the highlighted areas who also found a film of ash within a few days of the major eruptive event. 🌀CycloneFootball71🏈 |sandbox  03:35, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

 * If there is an alternative map from a suitably authoritative source, then we could use that (or a suitably modified version of it, if it's copyrighted). Otherwise we stick to the map that we have. Mikenorton (talk) 04:50, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree we should stick to the map we have unless another one is found. I do however think it does have its imperfections, but it comes from a reliable source, so there is no real need to change anything as of now. 🌀CycloneFootball71🏈 |sandbox 05:10, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I question it as well. I was in grad school in Indiana at the time and was studying outdoors; I kept having to wipe grit from the page of my text, and on the third page I'd had to wipe clean it dawned on me what it had to be.  Friends in both Gary at the north end of the state also reported the same grit.  Thus the ash reached as far east as Indiana.
 * I remember being on the very East Coast, East of New York, and having to wipe clumps of grit off our playground equipment. And the red skies at night!2600:8806:1107:7600:35DC:5AD3:AB1F:5454 (talk) 15:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * OK, I've done some research. Firstly, there is a map online published in this instance by the Denver Post, but probably published around the nation, showing how far the ash reached by each day after the blast, which shows the ash reaching the Atlantic in three days.  Secondly, other sources cite the map used here (with yellow across the Northwestern quarter of the U.S.) as being not of "traces" of ash "detected," but "measurable depth," which I would take to mean only includes where there was a continuous layer of ash, unlike where I lived where the ash I found was only in tiny clumps.  (I suspect the clumping was due to dewfall, however, and on other surfaces would have been more likely to be continuous.) 2600:8806:1107:7600:35DC:5AD3:AB1F:5454 (talk) 15:19, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Cousins in Nebraska also experienced ash falling, in Kearney and Grand Island; one cousin managed to collect a pint jar full by carefully washing the roof of the house.
 * Additionally, in a university volcanology course I took later for fun there was a map showing a much broader ashfall than the map provided here. It showed trace amounts reaching to the western edge of Ohio and to Kansas City.
 * Unfortunately the only map I can find these days is the USGS one included here, so while it is clearly deficient we're stuck with it. Dismalscholar (talk) 21:52, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * There's a map pulished in the Denver Post https://www.denverpost.com/2017/05/17/photos-on-this-day-mount-st-helens-erupts/ That shows the ash reaching the East Coast, as I very well remember. It's behind a paywall, but surely it's been republished. AP? 2600:8806:1107:7600:35DC:5AD3:AB1F:5454 (talk) 15:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Lead suggestion
I think the first question in a reader's mind is usually going to be "When did Mount St. Helens erupt?" The current lead starts On March 27, 1980, which doesn't answer that question. I'd like to propose the following modification to the lead so that the first thing we say is the answer to that question: Thoughts? Schazjmd  (talk)  14:17, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Misleading Lede and Infobox
The date of the main event is buried beneath large paragraphs poorly broken, and on a cursory examination it appears that the event took place in March, which of course is not the case. The lede needs to be rewritten to highlight the actual date. 2402:8100:3971:2308:F0EF:7577:4434:EB99 (talk) 12:40, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Inflation calculation
Inflation is a bit complex, but its documentation is pretty clear that you can't say "$xxx today". You have to state the correct year. You also can't use the default index for government expenses in the billions. The default value is for stuff like train tickets and doctor visits. You have to use the US-GDP index for stuff like the cost of a natural disaster. I'm not 100% sure I did the "refined estimate" correctly. The problem is that the estimate itself is sourced, but the calculation itself was not. It was just a link to some dodgy website. The source doesn't explicitly say what year its estimate is from. The paper was written in 1990, but it's talking about financial estimates of a disaster that happened in 1980. Presumably, that means the estimate is in 1980 dollars, but it would be nice to have a source explicitly state this so we're not assuming anything. Assumptions are often wrong. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 15:58, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

26 megatons or 24 megatons?
Howard from NYC (talk) 11:52, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

which is it? 26 megatons or 24 megatons?

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