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User talk:Billposer

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Again, welcome! Chris Roy 01:13, 3 May 2004 (UTC)

Wikimedia Canada
Hi there! I'd like to invite you to explore Wikimedia Canada, and create a list of people interested in forming a local chapter for our nation. A local chapter will help promote and improve the organization, within our great nation. We'd also like to encourage everyone to suggest projects for our national chapter to participate in. Hope to see you there!--DarkEvil 17:11, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

ACLU revert
Interesting to see that oft-quoted Baldwin yearbook remark was cited in that 1961 Congressional Record! It has a long history; not sure if you noticed, but we get vandals sticking that quote in over and over. Sdedeo (tips) 17:08, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Tillamook
I'm sorry to admit that I know almost nothing about the subject but Salishan languages says Tillamook is Coast Salish. Maybe you should change it too... -- TheMightyQuill 17:35, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I missed that - those big trees are hard to follow. Most subgroupings of Salishan do treat Tillamook as an outlier. The article uses a classification that groups Coast, Tsamosan, and Tillamook together, whereas one more usually sees five top-level branches rather than just those three. I'll check the off-line sources before revising the tree in the article so as not to create an inconsistency.Bill 18:02, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

proposal: category First Nations languages in British Columbia
Hi; avoiding the formal linguistics/ethno debate we were having for now; I've got a busy day coming; but just a headsup about some First Nations category discussions on User talk:Luigizanasi and User talk:Kurieeto which I thought you might have some input on; essentially an effort to distinguish three categories of First Nations article relevant to single articles extant right now: government, people/community and ethnography are to be separate; and also language. While deliberating the issues raised there, and looking at the First Nations in BC category, I began to feel that a "First Nations languages in British Columbia" category is needed, although not in the linguistics hierarchy under Salishan languages or Wakashan languages or Athabaskan languages etc.; the "First Nations in BC" category is currently in use for individual people articles, individual myths, individual languages etc. But you're the linguistics guy and I'll bow here if the use of "language" in a category title predisposes it to "belong" within the language-group hierarchies. If it doesn't need to, I think it's worthwhile. Thoughts?Skookum1 19:22, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Phonetics box
In case you're interested, I recently designed a userbox which might appeal to linguists with a subtle and undistilled sense of humour. It can easily be found through my userpage, or more directly through my userbox gallery. By the way, I am a Language Log reader. Zerrakhi 09:01, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

BC & Pacific Northwest History Forum
Please see RE BC & Pacific Northwest History Forum re: Talk:List of United States military history events. If you think maybe I should also move some or copy some of my other stuff from NW history and BC history pages and various Indigenous peoples project article/talk pages let me know; I never mean to blog, but I'm voluble and to me everything's interconnected; never meaning to dominate a page so have made this area to post my historical rambles on. Thoughts?Skookum1 03:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Comment on my posting of this: if anyone has any questions or wants to debate any issues relating to Oregon Country/Columbia District/Pacific Northwest history/historical geography, colonialist/settler/immigrant or aboriginal/indigenous materials/themes/articles/questions, please feel free to drop by the forum and start a thread/topic, or just butt in at yer leisure.Skookum1 08:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Tillamook re Salish/Coast Salish
Hi Bill; sorry for any discord earlier, didn't mean to rile feathers or fur or whatever. Just happened to drop by the Tillamook, Oregon page this morning; as I remember from what you told me, Bella Coola/Nuxalk and Tillamook/Nehalem are not considered Coast Salish; or is Tillamook Coast Salish? It read that way and I changed the link from Coast Salish to Salishan languages (see article) but then I dropped by the Coast Salish page and they're in the Coast Salish hierarchy-tree. Did I get that wrong, and only Bella Coola is outside the Coast Salish loop? Thought I'd understood that Tillamook was as well. BTW reason I dropped by that page is someone's citing that link re a potential List of Chinook Jargon placenames, which will be a spinoff of the increasingly unwieldy Chinook Jargon page (pls see Talk:Chinook Jargon. And AFAIK Tillamook as a name, while it may be Chinookan, isn't Chinook Jargon; or I suppose it could be considered so as the most common term for the Nehalem in the early NW, but its components aren't Chinook Jargon as such, as with Tatoosh Island, Lummi Island (if that is from lummieh), Taghum, Lapush, and so on.  BTW I've always assumed that Spuzzum was from the CJ spatsum; could it possibly be Nlaka'pamux??

Another item for you, if you don't mind
Please see Spirit house and Talk:Spirit house. I started the talk page after finding the item on Carrier spirit houses on the main Spirit house page, which of course is about Thai spirit houses...IIRC this is your particular bailiwick, no?Skookum1 16:04, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Jörg Schilling
I've added the "prod" template to the article Jörg Schilling, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also What Wikipedia is not and Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree, discuss the issues raised at Talk:Jörg Schilling. If you remove the dated prod template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached.Robert 22:03, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America Newsletter - July '06

Altaic
Hi, thank you for your contribution. Maybe cause of the language barrier, i could not express myself clearly. I can safely say that i'm not against any discussion, i'm just supporting that this should be done under "Altaic Languages" or maybe better "Altaic hypothesis" section. We can continue the discussion of dispute there. For the "(disputed)" tag, my opion is that this may lead a misundestanding on the issue (as in the case, see Talk:Khazar_language) and should be removed. It somehow can be understood as wheather "x language' being Altaic is disputed". The Altaic hypothesis is controversial. Major reference works use the "Altaic" term for these languages. We've been discussing the issue for 4-5 days but never ended up with a conclusion about the "(disputed)" tag. On the other hand, we could not start discussing the Altaic hypothesis yet :) Although i'm not an expert, I know there is ongoing research on this field. After solving this "(disputed)" tag problem, we'll try to continue. Could you please, check our discussion at User_talk:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise. Thanx e104421

pseudo
Here [] is a note for you.

Charles Plympton Smith article
Hi Billposer. First, I love your home province, I've dome some ocean kayaking near Uclulet on Vancouver Island. Beautiful! As you are the originator of the Charles Plympton Smith, I wanted to share that having read it I fail to see the notability. I don't want to jump to nominating for deletion without alerting you as author. CApitol3 21:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

sugar in Carrier
Hello! I`ve got one request for you. I collect words in various languages. Now I`m looking for word "sugar" in other languages, but I can`t find a Carrier dictionary. I`ve got counterparts of word "sugar" in Japanese, Ahmaric, Thai, Georgian and Chinese, so can you write me what is "sugar" in Carrier language? I`ve got this word in 382 languages and dialects of many regions and countries in the world so it is very important for me! Thank you very much! Szoltys

Nyan Wheti
It's not that I don't believe you, but just so you know, they (mis?)spelled it Nak'albhunghum on the Nyan Wheti sign along the trail. -TheMightyQuill 07:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Divisions of Comox language? Help pls
Hi. Coming to you as the available Wiki authority on native languages, despite our previous misunderstandings and my habitual testiness...Lately I've been going through the various FN articles in BC and creating separate language stubs/articles where needed, or in the case of the Okanagan people both a "people" article/stub and a language article/stub (Okanagan language),. as well as separate articles for band govs and tribal councils (different category, in fact). This is to bring all FN pages in line with guidelines established within WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America. You may also note that on pages such as Salishan languages I've disambigged links where possible from linking to "people" or "government" articles directly to language articles. I've done most of southern BC by now, in terms of article separation (I'm not qualified to expand the stubs, of course) but am "stuck" on the issue of Comox. I know that there's Mainland Comox and Island Comox, and AFAIK the Island Comox people now are culturally Kwak'wala speakers, even though their language still gets an article (does it survive at all?): but within Mainland Comox is there a difference between the Homalhco and the Sliammon peoples' dialects? Or is it just Sliammon as far as dialect/name goes? Here's the relevant bit from the "table" at Salishan languages: - II. Coast Salish

 * A. Central Coast Salish (a.k.a. Central Salish)
 * 2. Comox
 * Comox (a.k.a. Qʼómox̣ʷs)
 * Sliammon (Homalco-Klahoose-Sliammon) (a.k.a. ʔayʔaǰúθəm)

-- Comox (language) currently refers to Comox people, and I was about to break that off, i.e. make the language stub separate - title format tends to be Comox language by the way - but then realized I needed to know what the divisions of it were, Island Comox and Mainland Comox only, or does Mainland have two distinct dialects? I see from the entry above there appears to be only one but I just wanted to check to avoid any hassles/corrections.

Also re Kwak'wala - that's currently a redirect to Kwakiutl language. User:OldManRivers, whose both Skwxwu7mesh and Kwakwaka'wakw, has objected on Talk:Kwakiutl and Talk:Kwakwaka'wakw to the use of the name "Kwakiutl" so it seems appropriate that a move or a change be made to a new article Kwak'wala language (this format in line with St'at'imcets language, Oowekyala language, etc.). OldManRivers' dablines at the top of Skwxwu7mesh and Squamish Nation are worth noting, also, and I may apply them across the board on other articles, i.e. to distinguish between traditional culture/society and the Indian Act-mandated one; emergent standard is articles bearing "Nation" or "First Nation" are the government/Indian Act-created body, while those without are for traditional culture/ethnography; e.g. the contrast between Heiltsuk and Heiltsuk language, although some articles may be in the format Heiltsuk people (in that case it's aredirect to Heiltsuk). Also, ethnographic/people articles and government articles should not have any language cats, unless there is no separate language article. To see all the new language articles, best way is to check the relevant language cats.Skookum1 19:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * PS also a lot/most of the language articles, and most of the ethno and some gov articles, need IPA conversions; OldManRivers isn't equipped, as he's not that familiar with the special characters/keyboard codes, even though he's a Skwxwu7mesh snichim expert....Skookum1 19:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

IPA
I am working on the Aberdeen article about the city in Scotland, as you understand IPA I wondered if you could work out the phonetics for the name Aberdeen?... I can't make any sense of it! thanks (hopefully) in advance. Bobbacon 22:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Kurów
Could you please write a stub about my hometown on Carrier language here - just a few sentences based on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kur%C3%B3w ? Only 3-5 sentences enough. Please. Only you on EN wiki speak on this language.

PS. Article about Kurów is already on 175 languages. If your village/town/city isn't yet on PL wiki, I can do article about it. (I'm first author of requests). Pietras1988  TALK  08:06, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Franco-Provençal language
Hello. You made an edit to the Franco-Provençal language page today which elimated a reference to the actual publisher of the source work cited. You annotated your edit, "Ruhlen's classification is not endorsed by the Universals project." Considering Stanford University was the Ruhlen's publisher, please cite a source that shows they no longer "endorse" this classification, or have superceded it with another. I would also appreciate knowing how the Universals Project classifies Francoprovençal today with a cited source by you as a reply below to this note. (Do they show the classification on their website? I could not locate it.) Respectfully Charvex 05:59, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Kuno
Hey Bill, this "Kuno" of yours, how is he notable? Please explain, pronto. Thousands of right-thinking folk want to know! -- Hoary 13:10, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Current event tag on SCO Group
As explained on the talk page of the article, I intend to remove the template again unless someone can explain why it should remain. As I understand it, the template is used to warn that an article is changing rapidly, while this article is currently going days without any changes at all. --MediaMangler 11:09, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

prodded article
I am not a big fan of notification of authors, when people request things about "their" articles. I guess I am a bit conservative in this respect. Anyway, I prodded Karl Kroeber since I can not see anything in the article that explains whay this person is notable enough for a Wikipedia article. If you have anything to add, please do that by editing the article and/or discussing it on the talk. // habj (talk) 21:17, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I deprodde3d it of course--the above ed. did not even think to check Google Scholar. DGG (talk) 06:16, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Amerind languages
Hello Bill! Please, look at the Amerind languages article you seem to have (co-)edited. Could you possibly add some footnotes (the clickable ones, you know) so that the readers (including myself) can find those pieces of information a little more easily? Thanx a lot in advance! --Pet'usek [ petr dot hrubis at gmail dot com ] 13:48, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Tourism in Japan
An article that you have been involved in editing, Tourism in Japan, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Tourism in Japan. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 20:14, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Side judges
Thank you for your informative article on Side judges. Been needed for a long time. Student7 (talk) 21:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

FYI new/old tribal/history resource
Pls see Talk:Coast Salish where I posted a link to a summary of old ethno write-ups used by genealogy.com; the link is to Washington but if you click around you'll find stuff on Canada-side peoples; interesting list of villages not seen anywhere else, also some breakdown of languages/groups I haven't seen before; esp. re Interior Salish and lower Columbia peoples.Skookum1 (talk) 14:59, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting btw in that it says that the Chilliwack-area Salish were originally Nooksack speakers rather than "Cowichan" (which the page uses for the Halkomelem-speaking group(s)).Skookum1 (talk) 15:01, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Wet'suwet'en vs. Babine
Please see my notes at Talk:Wet'suwet'en in response to your comments there. Thanks.Skookum1 (talk) 19:58, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

"Omineca" name-origin
A query on Talk:Omineca River about the name's origin I wasn't able to answer, other than to venture it was of Sekani rather than Carrier derivation (just guesswork). I gather you'd be the guy to know what it means and which language it's from, and also what the other -ineca/-inka names mean - Mesilinka, Osilinka, Ospika etc (no articles for them yet, though, but would be good to have for when there are); likewise Ominicetla and other names. And any chance you'd care to define the bounds of the Omineca Country for me; I know it's used for areas to the south of the Omineca basin/mountains proper; but where does it end and where do the Nechako Country and Bulkley Country begin, if there's an exact marge; Hagwilget, for example - Bulkley Country or Skeena Country?; any indigenous or town or park article in your area that doesn't ahve the right "region" category on it (more than one is OK in "overlap" areas like Hagwilget), please change as you deem necessary; and where would hte Babine/Takla area fit in, or are they also "Country" areas, e.g. Babine Country, Takla Lake Country etc (which can be subareas of one of the others, please note); all these are currently in a parent cat Category:Northern Interior of British Columbia and admittedly that's a southern-BC perspective and maybe they should be in Category:Central Interior of British Columbia; "the North" to me begins at PG, but I know PG considers itself "Central"; and "the North" or "northern BC" is really the Atlin/Cassiar/Stikine/Liard/Finlay Countries.....yes/no?Skookum1 (talk) 20:23, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Since I was the one asking the Q, let me ask for a carbon copy (remember them?) of anything you find? Thanx.  TREKphiler  08:58, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Lily Mazahery
Why did you remove the lifetime tag from Lily Mazahery? This tag adds the DEFAULTSORT and the birth/death categories. Articles about persons should have these. Is there a disagreement about my assessment? Remember that removing valid contributions to an article can constitute vandalism. Regards, Leofric1 (talk) 01:59, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I was trying to remove the missing year of birth part but mistakenly deleted too much. I've fixed it now.Bill (talk) 05:40, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, my mistake, I missed seeing the birth date in the article. I'll also put the sortkey back in. Leofric1 (talk) 07:16, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Nicola articles split
I waited a while for a reply from you about this (and other things), but finally went ahead and did it: the primary modern use of "Nicola" for a people is for the Scw'exmx-Spaxomin alliance, so Nicola (people) is now about them, and Nicola Athapaskans has been created for the group that linguists and ethnographers use the name for. Redirects such as Nicola people will go to the Nicola (people) article, rather than to one on the Athapaskan group.Skookum1 (talk) 15:01, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Repeated unexplained "coathanger" deletes for two Palin church articles
I am totally new to Wikipedia and my first article was Wasilla Assembly of God and edits to Wasilla Bible Church. Thanks for restoring my contribution “pray for gays” and “God punishes Jews who don’t convert to Christ”, on on Wasilla Bible Church. The following was also removed from Wasilla Assembly of God with no explanation but “Cothanger”, and I am told I should not edit any article related to Palin. The following was removed with only coathanger as explanation. The same few are doing the removes 24 hours whenever I contribute. I realy don’t understand. I am a mathematician formerly at Stanford for 11 years and I do not understand why identical articles are coathangers for Palin’s churches, but fine on Obama’s church article.
 * Why is the following a coathanger, with threats to block me if I write another Coathanger?
 * " Wasilla Assembly of God became the focus of Pakistani and American press coverage and intense internet activity in September 2008, after the The Huffington Post posted videos and quotations from three of its sermons, asserting that God favored the American invasion of Iraq, that critics of president George Bush’s handling of Hurricane Katrina would go to hell, and that voters for John Kerry would not get into heaven. In August of 2008, the church hosted Alaskan Governor Sarah Palin as a speaker, whose speech created controversy for relating God to a partisan side in the Iraq war being, and because the reasoning paralleled that of the church sermon regarding Iraq.            “Kalnins has preached that critics of Bush will be banished to Hell, questioned if people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to Heaven, charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and Iraq were part of a war ‘contending for your faith’; and that Jesus ‘operated from that position of war mode’.” EricDiesel (talk) 06:58, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Some native Canadian questions
Hi Billposer, User:Skookum1 identified you as having some expertise with bands of the boreal forest. I recently wandered into a swamp of questions, which I've posted at Skookum1's page. Any help you can give is appreciated and I can supply more background if my comments are too cryptic. Thanks! Franamax (talk) 21:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Diacriticals in FN catnames
Please see this on the CFD talklpage. Figure you might have something to add/comment, though this is not a formal CFC/D discussion.Skookum1 (talk) 16:46, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Notability of Uli Kozok
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Uli Kozok
Hi. The text has been userfied here User:Billposer/Uli Kozok. Please work on the article and move it back into articlespace when you think it is ready and would survive an AfD. Thank you and good luck. -- Avi (talk) 15:06, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Dunneza/Danezaa/Beaver/Dene dhaa
Hi; please see Talk:Danezaa on this issue, which your authority/expertise should help resolve.Skookum1 (talk) 14:41, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

In-line references for Carrier
Hi Bill! I recently started to watch Carrier language after rating it C-Class, as there's an immense amount of useful information that is, however, not directly linked to its sources. I found it useful when doing any edits to immediately include them, thus making the information much easier to verify. There's such a bunch of sources that nobody would obtain all of them to check some fishy claim, thus I might (somewhat boldly) call the non-referencing technique an "immunizatin strategy". This probably needn't be so. Best regards, G Purevdorj (talk) 14:48, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Nass-Gitksan languages
I just added an unreferenced tag to this; it's barely more than a disambiguation page: I thought perhaps you may be able to provide at last one source/reference.....thanks.Skookum1 (talk) 20:29, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Tsitsutl placenames
Hi; there are three placenames in BCGNIS, only one of which Tsitsutl Peak in the Rainbow Range in the West Chilcotin. Apparently, according to one website in that article's refs, it means "painted mountains" in the local native language, but that's not specified; nothing the other two placenames are near Takla and Trembleur Lakes is it safe to assume they have the same origin and that language is Carrier? I always like to be specific with native-origin references.....thanks when you have the time.Skookum1 (talk) 18:34, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

From Manime87-- Reporting imposter leaving messages using my username
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Question re name of Pasayten River
Hi. I'm wondering if you would care to...speculate?...on the meaning of the name for the Pasayten River. No name origin is given on any extant source I can find, but I know that, according to Teit, there are various palcenames in the Nicola-Similkameen area that are believed to originate with the Nicola Athapaskans. What I got wondering was if this was one of them, given that -ten ending....and could it be that this might have been their name for themselves? If it is an Athapaskan word, what might the "pasay-" part mean? Not seeking an answer to add to the article, unless it happens there is some academic study/ilsting of suspected Nicola Athapaskan names, but it just got me wondering, given the usual meaning of -ten, -tin, -din etc....also there are lake-names near Lytton that end in -ko and the old name of Seton Lake was "Silico" ("preserved" in the name of Silicon Indian Reserve No. 1, although in that case the origin would seem to be Tsilhqot'in as are various other names around there, like Shulaps, Yalakom, Tyaughton/Tyoax and maybe Moha; noting that the recording of that older name might be from the period of the Lillooet-Chilcotin War and it may have been Chilcotin that Ermatinger or whomever it was traversed that area in 1827-28 met....Also, the old name that Fraser gives for the people at Lillooet is "Askettih"....is it just me, or is that not un-similar to Esketemc, the name of the Shuswap people at Alkali Lake....and in that period the Secwepemc did frequent the Lillooet area, although it wasn't until 1838 or 1839 that they occupied the area in the course of Nicola's War and its aftermath....I know you don't often reply to me, but I'm hoping that these questions might prompt some interest....Skookum1 (talk) 03:48, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Also to note that "Silico" might be an Tsilhqot'in adaptation of Tsalalh, the St'at'imcets name for the lake, i.e. "Tsalalh"+"ko"....Skookum1 (talk) 03:50, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Wet'suwet'en - please check over
I've made some minor expansion of this article, re Dzilke and also re the Office of the Hereditary Chiefs, also please see Office of the Hereditary Chiefs of the Wet'suwet'en - am I right in thinking that the BC govt usage of "Office of the Wet'suwet'en" is the same body, but the BC government is avoiding the use of the term "hereditary chiefs"?? Or is it a different body? Also I note there are four Wet'suwet'en bands, but from what I can see of the Office of the Hereditary Chiefs only two of them are connected to the traditional chieftaincies, or rather I gather are proxies of the hereditary chiefs.....subtle stuff to an outsider, I'll consult Terry Glavin too (who's an old friend).....Skookum1 (talk) 14:14, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Willapa people article - new
I created this in the course of checking over cites to do with the Chemakum re "Salish Sea"; they were in the same chapter as the Chemakum and Quileute in the Handbook of the North American Indian. I know you're an Athapaskan specialist so figured it best to throw this by you for possible expansion; I didn't try to create Willapa language as what was in HNAI seemed conjectural, e.g. suggested links between their language/history and the Nicola Athapaskans, which seems out of date...given what I (think I) know about the Stuwix (which is really only from Wade and Teit's citations of Wade....). There were other Athapaskans in western Oregon, weren't there? (which would seem to be a more natural connection than to the Stuwix).Skookum1 (talk) 19:07, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Nazko, British Columbia citation needed
Hi; someone has place a cn tag on Nazko, British Columbia]. I remember seeing a webpage somewhere with its meaning and others, but can't find it through the YDLI pages....if it's in Fr. Morice please let me know and I'll use his Onomatology work as the cite, otherwise please just add one yourself.  Similar citations are needed on [[Nechako River and others, though citation-happy editors haven't placed templates/tags on them yet.  And noting the above deletion, that's unfortunate, maybe you don't log in enough to get teh warnings in time; help in fighting such deletions can be gotten through other editors at NorthAmNative and WikiProject Canada.....seems to me it's an important journal within linguistics adn therefore shouldn't have ever been considered for deletion...but a lot of admins are teenagers and just don't know s**t.....Skookum1 (talk) 17:04, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Nuxalk vs Nuxalkmc
Dear Mr. Poser, please review these two undos and if I am in error please amend them here and here concerning attempted changes to the Nuxalk language and Salishan languages edit. I have always taken, or been told, that the mc/mx/imc/mish etc ending meant "people", maybe in a strict sense it means only "from", but to my knowledge Nuxalk rather than Nuxalkmc is the standard usage in English, and in linguistics.Skookum1 (talk) 05:11, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Tsay Keh Dene First Nation page created
Hi, wanted to advise you of this page's creation, and wondering if you might know the particulars of the Ingenika Settlement and Mesilinka which are listed in INAC. There's an Ingenika Point Indian Reserve which I'm guessing is now "Ingenika Settlement", and I'm assuming the other one is at the mouth of, or somewhere along, the Mesilinka River, but maybe it's in the Mesilinka Ranges?? Part of the point of finding this out is to add their coordinates to the Indian Reserves and Settlements listing....a section on the treaty (if that's the word :-|) concerning the displacement caused by Lake Williston would be a good addition but I don't have citations/sources and the Sekani people page has some of that already.Skookum1 (talk) 21:33, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, in the INAC descriptions, Fort Grahame is mentioned but it's not in BCGNIS....It seems to have been, by the attached IR descriptions, in the area of the Parsnip Reach of Lake Williston....was it submerged/inundated? The IR descriptions in INAC are screwy; they say "on the Finlay River" but when the coords are looked at, both Tutu Creek and Parsnip Indian Reserves are clearly in the Parsnip area, and while the Police Meadow IR description says "15 miles NW of Fort Grahame", the coords show it's at the yonder end of the Finlay Reach, near the current Finlay estuary.  Just wondering if you can clarify any of this, and if you might have materials to write Fort Grahame or any other missing HBC/NWC posts in your region.Skookum1 (talk) 21:42, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

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If you want to add mention of Trombetti's broader hypothesis, or Vajda's quote of him, feel free. But Ruhlen specifically identified Yeniseian and Na Dene as each other's closest relative, and was the first to do so in a peer reviewed journal. Your characterization of this published and verifiable information as "false" borders on accusing me of misrepresenting the source. (I am posting here rather than on the talk page because I personally object to that characterization.) Given that Vajda himself credits Ruhlen with the hypothesis, and specifically mentions the importance of Ruhlen's identification of the birch bark cognate, I find your objection difficult to understand. I have the Trombetti on order, since it is not available on google books. If he specifically identifies those two families as each other's closest relatives (which is not my understanding), I will change the attribution. It's a very simple matter of adhering to the published sources.μηδείς (talk) 01:07, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

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These were all changed by User:Kwamikagami, as was Dakelh to Carrier people. He cited WP:MOSTCOMMON and WP:ENGLISH as the rationale for speedy moves, but he was wrong on both. WP:CANENGL applies on Canadian articles, and indigenous endonyms are now pretty much the standard in Canadian English; and as it turns out, googles for each of the items in the subject of this section favour (heavily) the endonyms vs. the archaic and "colonialist" ones......the change on the Skwxwu7mesh article has resulted in a complicated and convoluted WP:CFD on what got renamed Category:Squamish with all the obvious problems with that; the CfD there has not been closed yet, nor also with those at Category:Nuxalk, Category:St'at'imc and others (May 3 and May 4 logs on the CfD page is where you'll find them); those linked are without the diacriticals/accents they'd had, but should relay; t hose are in danger of being renamed Category:Bella Coola people and Category:Lillooet people because of the diktat (not an ironclad rule but it gets treated that way) that a category should match its main article's title. A google search comparing Dakelh to Carrier people gives 35,000 vs 46,600 respectively so that's not as persuasive for MOSTCOMMON or COMMONUSE....but knowing who you are, I'd imagine you have an opinion which is more preferable, and what the expected/emergent standard might be. I managed to head off a change of Kwakwaka'wakw to Kwakiutl at least....If you'd think that Dakelh should be the title of what is now Carrier people please suggest me some cites that I can use to explain the need for it; I know "Carrier" is still pretty common, of course....the issue is going to arise when Category:Dakelh is forcibly changed to Category:Carrier people and then what do we do with Category:Wet'su-we'ten? (I think there is one, it's a subcat of the Dakelh one, if so) The language articles I've not nominated i.e. Lillooet language, Chilcotin language etc. but there may be good grounds for that too. The changes were made by User:Kwamikagami, who did it on the grounds that (supposedly) in ethnolinguistics circles the "colonialist" names are allegedly the most common.....so far he hasnt' changed Wuikyala to Rivers Inlet language or Wuikinuxv to Rivers Inlet people....oh, maybe he has, I should check those I guess......Syilx was changed to Okanagan people though so far Category:Syilx remains unchanged; I think he changed Ktunaxa also, though Category:Ktunaxa is so far unaltered......Skookum1 (talk) 13:57, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

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Category:Cree nations is anomalous; it's for band governments, I'd nominated it for change to Category:Cree governments to match others of the same kind, but have encountered strident and persistent opposition from someone who maintains "nations" is the most common usage; I won't recount my counter-arguments about the variable meaning of that word, or my opponent's ridiculous counter-attacks and accusations, but.....I try and get something simple done around here, I wind up having to do battle with the uninformed and rule-happy........Skookum1 (talk) 13:57, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

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Hi. There's long been an article on the Tsetsaut language but I undertook earlier today to write an "ethno" article on it based on links found on that article and in German Wikipedia and elsewhere. You being the resident Athapaskan expert around here I expect you may have more to add to it when you have the time.

I imagine that Tlingit and Nisga'a and other oral traditions in the area may have more to say about them; one reference to the Lakweip the sources (Swanton or Teit via links given in the article) suggest they may have been the Tahltan or even Sekani. But in alliance with the Sanya kwaan of the Tlingit seems unlikely re the Sekani; the name somewhere is translated as meaning "those from the open place" or flat country, at the moment I don't recall the passage; but I'm wondering if that might be the Carrier given Teit says the Tsetsaut were in the Bear River/Sustut Lake area, or maybe a clan of the Gitxsan is a possibility given the "Lak-" part of the name. Lax wiip? - just guessing.

I may add some more from some google books available online; I am in Thailand and can do no library research from here.Skookum1 (talk) 15:06, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

 * Found some answers here so over time will try to flesh out the history of the Tsetsaut and their relations/warfare with neighbouring groups. Interesting reading, more history about them than the terseness of the language article indicates.Skookum1 (talk) 15:32, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

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 * ok, i fixed it myself, i don't know how to do undo's -- but please contact somebody at Wikipedia to protect that page!! thanks!! -- 2600:1700:6EB0:80E0:540D:4842:F76D:1DC0 (talk) 02:28, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

you *just* fixed the birthdate info on the Katie Waldman page -- but the date is still wrong!!

the *year* should be 1994 according to my sources, not 1991 ... and that page has been under vandalism attack regarding the birth year, check the View History!!

that page needs to be locked down *now* against vandalism attack!! i don't know who or how to contact at Wikipedia to get that lockdown done, or how to do the reversion to the correct birth date ... i'm hoping you do!!

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Shuichi Nakano

Syuichi Nakano (中野 主一) is a Japanese astronomer. He specializes in the study of comets, in particular calculating their orbits and making predictions about when periodic comets will return for another perihelion approach. It is considerably more difficult to predict the orbits of comets than of other types of Solar System objects, since their orbits are susceptible not only to perturbations from the planets but also to non-gravitational forces due to the release of gaseous material in the form of a comet's coma and tail.

He is affiliated with the Computing & Minor Planet Sections (Center for Astrodynamics) of the Oriental Astronomical Association in Sumoto, Japan.

He publishes the Nakano Notes on comet observations and ephemerides.

In 2001 he won the Amateur Achievement Award of the Astronomical Society of the Pacific. The asteroid 3431 Nakano is named after him, and asteroid 3983 Sakiko is named after his sister.

1026 Ingrid was reidentified in 1986 by Syuichi Nakano, ending its time as a lost asteroid. 3568 ASCII is another long-lost asteroid whose recovery was made by Nakano.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bushlim

This page is an archive of the discussion surrounding the proposed deletion of the page entitled Bushlim, and its plural redirect Bushlims.

This page is kept as an historic record.

The result of the debate was deletion.

A portmanteau of Bush and Muslim that gets exactly 0 google hits. Also delete the redirect, Bushlims. --Delirium 01:16, May 3, 2004 (UTC)

 * Delete, Stormie 02:02, May 3, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, Cyrius|&#9998 03:07, May 3, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, including the redirect. Silly private joke. Alcarillo 16:12, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, TB 18:39, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, Michael Snow 20:32, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, Cribcage 03:10, 8 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, --Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 11:16, 2004 May 8 (UTC)

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate up to the point of deletion and is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion or on the new method of assessing voting, should be placed on other relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

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Ecclesiastical Latin

 Ecclesiastical Latin, also called Church Latin or Liturgical Latin, is a form of Latin developed to discuss Christian thought in Late antiquity and used in Christian liturgy, theology, and church administration to the present day, especially in the Catholic Church. It includes words from Vulgar Latin and Classical Latin (as well as Greek and Hebrew) re-purposed with Christian meaning. It is less stylized and rigid in form than Classical Latin, sharing vocabulary, forms, and syntax, while at the same time incorporating informal elements which had always been with the language but which were excluded by the literary authors of Classical Latin.

Its pronunciation was partly standardized in the late 8th century during the Carolingian Renaissance as part of Charlemagne's educational reforms, and this new letter-by-letter pronunciation, used in France and England, was adopted in Iberia and Italy a couple of centuries afterwards. As time passed, pronunciation diverged depending on the local vernacular language, giving rise to even highly divergent forms such as the traditional English pronunciation of Latin, which has now been largely abandoned for reading Latin texts. Within the Catholic Church and in certain Protestant churches, such as the Anglican Church, a pronunciation based on modern Italian phonology, known as Italianate Latin, has become common since the late 19th century.

Ecclesiastical Latin is the language of liturgical rites in the Latin Church, as well as the Western Rite of the Eastern Orthodox Church. It is occasionally used in Anglican Church and Lutheran Church liturgies as well. Today, ecclesiastical Latin is primarily used in official documents of the Catholic Church, in the Tridentine Mass, and it is still learned by clergy.

The Ecclesiastical Latin that is used in theological works, liturgical rites and dogmatic proclamations varies in style: syntactically simple in the Vulgate Bible, hieratic (very restrained) in the Roman Canon of the Mass, terse and technical in Thomas Aquinas's Summa Theologica, and Ciceronian (syntactically complex) in Pope John Paul II's encyclical letter Fides et Ratio.

Late antique usage
The use of Latin in the Church started in the late fourth century with the split of the Roman Empire after Emperor Theodosius in 395. Before this split, Greek was the primary language of the Church (the New Testament was written in Greek and the Septuagint – a Greek translation of the Hebrew bible – was in widespread use among both Christians and Hellenized Jews) as well as the language of the eastern half of the Roman Empire. Following the split, early theologians like Jerome translated Greek and Hebrew texts into Latin, the dominant language of the Western Roman Empire. The loss of Greek in the Western half of the Roman Empire, and the loss of Latin in the Eastern half of the Roman Empire were not immediate, but changed the culture of language as well as the development of the Church. What especially differentiates Ecclesiastical Latin from Classical Latin is the consequences of its use as a language for translating, since it has borrowed and assimilated constructions and vocabulary from the koine Greek, while adapting the meanings of some Latin words to those of the koine Greek originals, which are sometimes themselves translations of Hebrew originals.

Medieval usage
At first there was no distinction between Latin and the actual Romance vernacular, the former being just the traditional written form of the latter. For instance, in ninth-century Spain was simply the correct way to spell, meaning 'century'. The writer would not have actually read it aloud as any more than an English speaker today would pronounce ⟨knight⟩ as.

The spoken version of Ecclesiastical Latin was created later during the Carolingian Renaissance. The English scholar Alcuin, tasked by Charlemagne with improving the standards of Latin writing in France, prescribed a pronunciation based on a fairly literal interpretation of Latin spelling. For example, in a radical break from the traditional system, a word such as ⟨viridiarium⟩ 'orchard' now had to be read aloud precisely as it was spelled rather than (later spelled as Old French vergier). The Carolingian reforms soon brought the new Church Latin from France to other lands where Romance was spoken.

Usage during the Reformation and in modern Protestant churches
The use of Latin in the Western Church continued into the Early modern period. One of Martin Luther's tenets during the Reformation was to have services and religious texts in the common tongue, rather than Latin, a language that at the time, many did not understand. Protestants refrained from using Latin in services, however Protestant clergy had to learn and understand Latin as it was the language of higher learning and theological thought until the 18th century. After the Reformation, in the Lutheran churches, Latin was retained as the language of the Mass for weekdays, although for the Sunday Sabbath, the Deutsche Messe was to be said. In Geneva, among the Reformed churches, "persons called before the consistory to prove their faith answered by reciting the Paternoster, the Ave Maria, and the Credo in Latin." In the Anglican Church, the Book of Common Prayer was published in Latin, alongside English. John Wesley, the founder of the Methodist churches, "used Latin text in doctrinal writings", as Martin Luther and John Calvin did in their era. In the training of Protestant clergy in Württemberg, as well as in the Rhineland, universities instructed divinity students in Latin and their examinations were conducted in this language. The University of Montauban, under Reformed auspices, required that seminarians complete two theses, with one being in Latin; thus Reformed ministers were "Latinist by training", comparable to Catholic seminarians.

Modern Catholic usage
Ecclesiastical Latin continues to be the official language of the Catholic Church. The Second Vatican Council (1962–1965) decreed that the Mass would be translated into vernacular languages. The Church produces liturgical texts in Latin, which provide a single clear point of reference for translations into all other languages. The same holds for the texts of canon law. Pope Benedict XVI gave his unexpected resignation speech in Latin.

The Holy See has for some centuries usually drafted documents in a modern language, but the authoritative text, published in the Acta Apostolicae Sedis, is usually in Latin. Some texts may be published initially in a modern language and be later revised, according to a Latin version (or "editio typica"), after this Latin version is published. For example, the Catechism of the Catholic Church was drafted and published, in 1992, in French. The Latin text appeared five years later, in 1997, and the French text was corrected to match the Latin version, which is regarded as the official text. The Latin-language department of the Vatican Secretariat of State (formerly the Secretaria brevium ad principes et epistolarum latinarum) is charged with the preparation in Latin of papal and curial documents. Sometimes, the official text is published in a modern language, e.g., the well-known edict Tra le sollecitudini (1903) by Pope Pius X (in Italian) and Mit brennender Sorge (1937) by Pope Pius XI (in German).

Comparison with Classical Latin
There are not many differences between Classical Latin and Church Latin.

In many countries, those who speak Latin for liturgical or other ecclesiastical purposes use the pronunciation that has become traditional in Rome by giving the letters the value they have in modern Italian but without distinguishing between open and close $⟨e⟩$ and $⟨o⟩$. $⟨ae⟩$ and $⟨oe⟩$ coalesce with $⟨e⟩$. $⟨c⟩$ and $⟨g⟩$ before $⟨ae⟩$, $⟨oe⟩$, $⟨e⟩$, $⟨y⟩$ and $⟨i⟩$ are pronounced (English $⟨ch⟩$) and  (English $⟨j⟩$), respectively. $⟨ti⟩$ before a vowel is generally pronounced (unless preceded by $⟨s⟩$, $⟨d⟩$ or $⟨t⟩$). Such speakers pronounce consonantal $⟨v⟩$ (not written as $⟨u⟩$) as as in English, not as Classical. Like in Classical Latin, double consonants are pronounced with gemination.

The distinction in Classical Latin between long and short vowels is ignored, and instead of the 'macron' or 'apex', lines to mark the long vowel, an acute accent is used for stress. The first syllable of two-syllable words is stressed; in longer words, an acute accent is placed over the stressed vowel: adorémus 'let us adore'; Dómini 'of the Lord'.

Language materials
The complete text of the Bible in Latin, the revised Vulgate, appears at Nova Vulgata – Bibliorum Sacrorum Editio. New Advent gives the entire Bible, in the Douay version, verse by verse, accompanied by the Vulgate Latin of each verse.

In 1976, the Latinitas Foundation (Opus Fundatum Latinitas in Latin) was established by Pope Paul VI to promote the study and use of Latin. Its headquarters are in Vatican City. The foundation publishes an eponymous quarterly in Latin. The foundation also published a 15,000-word Italian-Latin Lexicon Recentis Latinitatis (Dictionary of Recent Latin), which provides Latin coinages for modern concepts, such as a bicycle (birota), a cigarette (fistula nicotiana), a computer (instrumentum computatorium), a cowboy (armentarius), a motel (deversorium autocineticum), shampoo (capitilavium), a strike (operistitium), a terrorist (tromocrates), a trademark (ergasterii nota), an unemployed person (invite otiosus), a waltz (chorea Vindobonensis), and even a miniskirt (tunicula minima) and hot pants (brevissimae bracae femineae). Some 600 such terms extracted from the book appear on a page of the Vatican website. The Latinitas Foundation was superseded by the Pontifical Academy for Latin in 2012.

Current use
Latin remains an oft-used language of the Holy See and the Latin liturgical rites of the Catholic Church. Until the 1960s and still later in Roman colleges like the Gregorian, Catholic priests studied theology using Latin textbooks and the language of instruction in many seminaries was also Latin, which was seen as the language of the Church Fathers. The use of Latin in pedagogy and in theological research, however, has since declined. Nevertheless, canon law requires for seminary formation to provide for a thorough training in Latin, though "the use of Latin in seminaries and pontifical universities has now dwindled to the point of extinction." Latin was still spoken in recent international gatherings of Catholic leaders, such as the Second Vatican Council, and it is still used at conclaves to elect a new Pope. The Tenth Ordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops in 2004 was the most recent to have a Latin-language group for discussions.

Although Latin is the traditional liturgical language of the Western (Latin) Church, the liturgical use of the vernacular has predominated since the liturgical reforms that followed the Second Vatican Council: liturgical law for the Latin Church states that Mass may be celebrated either in Latin or another language in which the liturgical texts, translated from Latin, have been legitimately approved. The permission granted for continued use of the Tridentine Mass in its 1962 form authorizes use of the vernacular language in proclaiming the Scripture readings after they are first read in Latin.

In historic Protestant churches, such as the Anglican Communion and Lutheran churches, Ecclesiastical Latin is occasionally employed in sung celebrations of the Mass.

Latin and the Catholic Church

 * (in Latin here)
 * Catechism of the Catholic Church in Latin
 * Fr. Nikolaus Gihr, The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass "The Language Used in the Celebration of the Holy Mass "
 * Fr. Nikolaus Gihr, The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass "The Language Used in the Celebration of the Holy Mass "

Bibles

 * The Latin Vulgate version of the Bible
 * NewAdvent.org Side-by-side comparisons of the Ancient Greek, English, and Latin Vulgate Bibles.
 * Ordo Missae of the 1970 Roman Missal, Latin and English texts, rubrics in English only
 * Latin-English Study Bible Side-by-side of the Vulgate Latin and English
 * Parallel Latin-English Psalter

Breviaries

 * Divinum Officium
 * Latin-English pre-Vatican-II Breviary

Other documents

 * "Documenta Catholica Omnia"—Multi-language Catholic eBook database of all the writings of Holy Popes, Councils, Church Fathers and Doctors, and Allied Auctors. Retrieved November 2018.
 * The Christian Latin Library—a collection of ecclesiastical Latin texts by Christian authors. Retrieved November 2018.
 * Complete Latin works of St. Augustine
 * Latin Logos Library—contains Classical, Medieval, and Ecclesiastical texts.
 * The Logic Museum—a collection of ecclesiastical Latin. Retrieved November 18.
 * Pope Benedict XVI's First Message with interlinear Latin-English translations
 * The Logic Museum—a collection of ecclesiastical Latin. Retrieved November 18.
 * Pope Benedict XVI's First Message with interlinear Latin-English translations

Course

 * "First Experience Latin with Fr. Reginald Foster", an ecclesiastical Latin course. Retrieved November 2018.
 * The Vatican's Lexicon Retrieved November 2018.
 * Latin Dictionary and Grammar Aid . Retrieved November 2018.

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