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User talk:Marc Mongenet

Welcome to the Wikipedia
Here are some links I find useful

 * Policy Library
 * Cite your sources
 * Verifiability
 * Wikiquette
 * Conflict resolution
 * Brilliant prose
 * Neutral point of view
 * Pages needing attention
 * Peer review
 * Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense
 * Village pump
 * Boilerplate text

Feel free to ask me anything the links and talk pages don't answer. You can sign your name by typing 4 tildes, likes this: ~.

Cheers, Sam [Spade] 21:55, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

Pole
Hi!

Why You changed interwiki in Pole and other articles? It was directed to same meaning in other languagues. --Postrach (talk) 04:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

 * There is no "same meaning" for a disambiguation page. I linked to the same word in other languages. Marc Mongenet (talk) 22:52, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Unexplained removal of non-English wiki links
What are you doing? You removed C from C (disambiguation) with the edit summary -B. --Doug.(talk • contribs) 03:36, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, a copy/paste error; I did many modifications per minute on a dozen of wikis. Marc Mongenet (talk) 03:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The correct interwiki is between id:C and C. Marc Mongenet (talk) 03:40, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Removing interwiki links
Please stop removing interwiki links from articles without an edit summary, as you did on Star (disambiguation). These links are there for a reason, and removal of them without a valid edit summary will be considered vandalism, which can result in you being blocked from editing. If this is part of an ongoing project, you may want to link your summaries to a user subpage which explains your actions. — Swpbτ • c 14:53, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry for my poor edit summary. I thought it was obvious that I was linking to disambiguation pages for the same word in other languages. Marc Mongenet (talk) 22:50, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Your edit removed many valid links to pages in other languages. I'm not sure, but perhaps there is some misunderstanding of the purpose of interwiki links? Links to pages that correspond to a translation of the English title are appropriate. Sometimes there is a term in another language that is spelled the same as the English page title, but which does not actually correspond to the English term. In such cases, I think the interwiki link should point to the term in the language that does correspond in meaning to the English term, rather than to a term that only incidentally happens to share the same spelling as the English term. older ≠ wiser 12:10, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I have reverted your changes again, because again you have removed dozens of interwiki links from the article, without any explanation of why they were removed! Your reasoning is not obvious, your edits are clearly removing helpful content. Unless you speak 24 languages, I'm not sure how you could know that every single one of the links you removed was mis-directed, and at that, you didn't re-target them, you just deleted them! I'm not sure what policy you think you're following, but please stop removing interwiki links from any more articles without a thorough explanation for each one. Consider this a second vandalism warning. — Swpbτ • c 16:09, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

 * You've pointed to one interwiki link where the target didn't make sense. That doesn't justify removing twenty four without explanation. If you're going to add links or replace bad ones with good ones, those are minor edits, but as soon as you start cutting out links and leaving nothing in their place, you need to carefully justify those edits.  I'm sorry, but explaining your edits is how things work around here, and you'd better get used to it. — Swpbτ • c 16:17, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * cutting out links and leaving nothing in their place --> Learn to read diffs first. Marc Mongenet (talk) 17:05, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That diff that shows all the links you just plain removed? Pretty sure I'm reading that exactly right. — Swpbτ • c 04:45, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

See, eventually JAnDbot fixed all wrong interwikis... Marc Mongenet (talk) 22:29, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Swiss flag
Hi. There are currently two different versions of the Swiss flag used across the English wikipedia, so I started a discussion at WT:CH to see if there is one better version that we could use consistently. In case you have any comment or suggestion (as a contributor to File:Flag of Switzerland.svg), you are welcome to join the discussion. mge o talk 22:10, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
Hi, You appear to be eligible to vote in the current Arbitration Committee election. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. For the Election committee, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:14, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

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Hello,

I have nominated 16777216colors.png to be a Featured Picture on Wikipedia here. Thanks!

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Link test
Test for keto diet. Marc Mongenet (talk) 10:42, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Test for the Genevan council. Marc Mongenet (talk) 22:29, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

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Indian Overseas Bank

Indian Overseas Bank (IOB) is an Indian public sector bank based in Chennai. During the nationalisation, IOB was one of the 14 major banks taken over by the government of India. On 5 December 2021, IOB got Degidhan Award 2020–21 by Ministry of Electronics and Information Technology for achieving second highest percentage of digital payment transaction among public sector banks.

As on 31 March 2022, IOB's total business stands at inr 4179600000000. It has about 3,220 domestic branches, 2 DBUs ( Digital Banking Unit) about 4 foreign branches and representative office. Founded in February 1937 by M. Ct. M. Chidambaram Chettyar with twin objectives of specializing in FOREX and overseas banking.

Pre-World War II
In 1937, M. Ct. M. Chidambaram Chettyar established the Indian Overseas Bank to encourage overseas banking and foreign exchange operations. IOB started up simultaneously at three branches, one each in Karaikudi, Madras, and Rangoon (Yangon). It quickly opened a branch in Penang, Kuala Lumpur (1937 or 1938), and another in Singapore (1937 or 1941). The bank served the Nattukottai Chettiars, who were a mercantile class that at the time had spread from Chettinad in Tamil Nadu state to Ceylon (Sri Lanka), Burma (Myanmar), Malaya, Singapore, Java, Sumatra, and Saigon. As a result, from the beginning IOB specialised in foreign exchange and overseas banking (see below). Due to the war, IOB lost its branches in Rangoon and Penang, and Singapore, though the branch in Singapore resumed operations in 1942 under Japanese supervision.

After World War II
In 1945 or 1946 IOB opened a branch in Colombo. In 1947, IOB opened a branch in Bangkok. Then IOB added a branch each in Ipoh, Klang, and Malacca, all in Malaya. Some years later, in 1955, IOB opened its first branch in Hong Kong. Others would follow.

In 1963, the revolutionary government in Burma nationalised Indian Overseas Bank's branches in Rangoon, Mandalay, and Moulmein, which became People's Bank No. 4.

In the 1960s, the banking sector in India was consolidating through the merger of weak private sector banks with stronger ones. IOB acquired a number of local banks: Coimbatore Standard Bank (acq. 1963; one branch at Madras), Nanjinnad Bank (or Nanjanad Bank), Coimbatore Vasunthara Bank (or Coimbatore Vasundara Bank; est. June 1924; Head office and three branches; acq. 1964), Kulitalai Bank (est. 1933; acq. 1964; six branches), Srinivasa Perumal Bank (est. November 1935 at Coimbatore; acq. 1966), and (Sri/Lord) Venkateswara Bank (est. June 1931 as Salem Shevapet Sri Venkateswara Bank; acq. 1967; two branches in Salem, Tamil Nadu).

Then in 1969, the Government of India nationalized IOB. At one point, probably before nationalization, IOB had twenty of its eighty branches located overseas. However, Malaysian law forbade foreign government ownership of banks in Malaysia. After nationalization Indian Overseas Bank, like all the nationalized banks, turned inward, emphasizing the opening of branches in rural India.

In 1973, IOB, Indian Bank, and United Commercial Bank established United Asian Bank Berhad in Malaysia. (Indian Bank had been operating in Malaysia since 1941 and United Commercial Bank had been operating there since 1948.) The banks set up United Asian to comply with the Banking Law in Malaysia, which prohibited foreign government banks from operating in the country. Each contributed their operations in Malaysia to the new joint-venture bank, with each of the three-parent banks owning a third of the shares. At the time, Indian Bank had three branches, and Indian Overseas Bank and United Commercial Bank had eight between them. Also, IOB and six Indian private banks established Bharat Overseas Bank as a Chennai-based private bank to take over IOB's Bangkok branch.

In 1977, IOB opened a branch in Seoul. It also opened a branch in Tsim Sha Tsui, Kowloon, Hong Kong. Two years later, IOB opened a foreign currency banking unit in Colombo, Sri Lanka.

In 1983, ethnic sectarian violence in the form of anti-Tamil riots resulted in the burning of IOB's branch in Colombo. Indian Bank, which may have had stronger ties to the Sinhalese population, escaped unscathed.

In 1988–89, IOB acquired Bank of Tamil Nadu, and its 99 branches, in a rescue. Bank of Tamil Nadu (or Bank of Tamilnad), had been established in 1903 in Tirunelveli as the South India Bank.

In 1992, Bank of Commerce (BOC), a Malaysian bank, acquired United Asian Bank (UAB).

The new millennium
In 2000, IOB engaged in an initial public offering (IPO) that brought the government's share in the bank's equity down to 75%. In 2001 IOB acquired the Mumbai-based Adarsha Janata Sahakari Bank, which gave it a branch in Mumbai. Then in 2009 IOB took over Shree Suvarna Sahakari Bank, which was founded in 1969 and had its head office in Pune. Shree Suvarna Sahakari Bank had been in administration since 2006. It had nine branches in Pune, two in Mumbai and one in Shirpur. The total employee strength was estimated to be little over 100.

IOB opened an extension counter at New Kathiresan Temple complex, Bambalapitiya, Sri Lanka, on 29 August 2003.

In 2005 IOB opened a representative office in Guangzhou, China. The next year IOB opened another representative office, this time in Kuala Lumpur. In 2009 IOB opened a Representative office in Dubai, United Arab Emirates.

In the new millennium, international expansion picked up once again. In 2007, IOB took over Bharat Overseas Bank. Then in 2009 IOB acquired Pune-based Shree Suvarna Sahakari Bank, which had been established in 1969; the bank had nine branches in Pune, two in Mumbai, and one in Shripur.

In 2010 Malaysia awarded a commercial banking license to a locally incorporated bank to be jointly owned by Bank of Baroda, Indian Overseas Bank and Andhra Bank. The new bank, India International Bank (Malaysia), commenced operations in 2012 in Kuala Lumpur, which has a large population of Indians. Andhra Bank holds a 25% stake in the joint-venture, Bank of Baroda owns 40%, and IOB the remaining 35%.

IOB opened an Offshore Banking Unit in Colombo, Sri Lanka, on 31 August 2013. The bank also upgraded its existing Extension Counter at Bambalapitiya into a full-fledged branch.

As of March-2024, IOB has 3236 branches, 3506 ATMs and 6379 business correspondents across the country.

Milestones
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 * 1957 – Bank established its own training center
 * 1964 – Inauguration of IOB's Head Office in Mount Road.
 * 1969 - Nationalisation of the bank
 * 1974 – Official Language Department established in 1974
 * 1984 – 1000th branch opened
 * 1991 – Bank moved its Staff College premises to a learning zone at Koyambedu
 * 1996 – Banks profit reached INR 100 cr. for the first time i.e. USD16.69Mn [1USD=Rs. 59.9150]
 * 2000 – Initial Public Offer. Follow on Public Offer in 2003. The first public sector bank to introduce anywhere banking at its 129 branches in the four metros, is extending the connectivity to another 100 branches in Hyderabad, Bangalore, Ahmedabad and Ludhiana.  The first public sector bank in the country to introduce mobile banking services using the Wireless Application Protocol (WAP).
 * 2005 – Launched Debit Card
 * 2006 – Launched VISA Card, Retail Sale of Gold and Non-Life Joint Insurance Bank reached INR 1 lac crore mark in Total Business
 * 2006 – 07 Net Profit reached INR 1000 Cr.(US$229.78 Mn) [1USD= Rs. 43.5200] Bharat Overseas Bank Ltd. Was merged with IOB and First Offsite ATM at Kamatchi Hospital, Chennai
 * 2009 – 100% CBS
 * 2010 – 2000th Branch -Yamuna Vihar, New Delhi-opened
 * 2011-12 – No. of Branches in Tamil Nadu reached 1000, and IOB celebrated Platinum Jubilee 2012–13. As on 31.3.2013, total deposits reached INR 202,135 cr. (US$37,236Mn.) [1USD =Rs. 54.2850]As on 31.3.2013, Total Advances reached INR 164,366cr. (US$30,278 Mn.) As on 31.3.2013, Total Business Mix is at INR 366,501cr. (US$67,514Mn.), Total No. of Branches 2908
 * 2014-15 Bank has surpassed the landmark of 3000 ATMs as on 31.07.2014 – Tirumalaipatti Branch
 * 2015 – IOB launched new Mobile Banking, m Passbook applications.
 * 2015-IOB started migration from its in-house CBS platform to Finacle.
 * January 2016- All branches migrated from in house CBS platform "CROWN" to FINACLE.
 * February 2024- On Friday, February 02, 2024, Indian Overseas Bank (IOB) reached a noteworthy milestone by being the fifth public sector lender to reach ₹1 lakh crore in market capitalization.

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West Punjab

West Punjab was a province in the Dominion of Pakistan from 1947 to 1955. It was established from the western-half of British Punjab, following the independence of Pakistan. The province covered an area of 159,344 km sq (61523 sq mi), including much of the current Punjab province and the Islamabad Capital Territory, but excluding the former Princely state of Bahawalpur. Lahore, being the largest city and the cultural centre, served as the capital of the province. The province was composed of four divisions (Lahore, Sargodha, Multan and Rawalpindi) and was bordered by the state of Bahawalpur to the south-east, the province of Baluchistan to the south-west and Sind to the south, North-West Frontier Province to the north-west, and Azad Jammu and Kashmir to the north. It shared International border with Indian state of East Punjab to the east and Indian-administered Jammu & Kashmir to the north-east. It was dissolved and merged into West Pakistan upon creation of One Unit Scheme, in 1955.

History
The creation of Pakistan in 1947 led to the division of the Punjab Province of British India into two new provinces. The largely Sikh and Hindu East Punjab became part of the new nation of India while the largely Muslim West Punjab became part of the new nation of the Dominion of Pakistan. The name of the province was shortened to Punjab in 1950. West Punjab was merged into the province of West Pakistan in 1955 under the One Unit policy announced by Prime Minister Chaudhary Muhammad Ali. When that province was dissolved, the area of the former province of West Punjab was combined with the former state of Bahawalpur to form a new Punjab Province.

Government
The offices of Governor of West Punjab and Chief Minister of West Punjab lasted from 15 August 1947, until 14 October 1955. The first Governor was Sir Francis Mudie with Iftikhar Hussain Khan as the first Chief Minister. Both offices were abolished in 1955, when the province of West Pakistan was created. The last Governor of West Punjab, Mushtaq Ahmad Gurmani, became the first Governor of West Pakistan.

1941 census
At Independence there was a Muslim majority in West Punjab with a significant Hindu and Sikh minority. Nearly all of these minorities left West Punjab for India, to be replaced by large numbers of Muslims fleeing from the opposite direction.

Language
The official language of West Punjab was Urdu but most of the population spoke Punjabi. The linguist George Abraham Grierson in his multi volume Linguistic Survey of India (1904–1928) considered the various dialects up to then called "Western Punjabi", spoken in North, West, and South of Lahore in what is now Pakistani Punjab, as constituting instead a distinct language from Punjabi. (The local dialect of Lahore is the Majhi dialect of Punjabi, which has long been the basis of standard literary Punjabi.) Grierson proposed to name this putative language "Lahnda", and he dubbed as "Southern Lahnda" the coherent dialect cluster now known as Saraiki spoken in Multan Dera Ghazi Khan and Bahawalpur division and "North Lahnda" now known as Potwari spoken in Rawalpindi division and "Western Lahnda" now known as Hindko spoken in the regions bordering Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa.

Contemporary usage
The term is often used to refer to the Pakistani Punjab.

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Martynas Mažvydas

Martynas Mažvydas (1510 – 21 May 1563) was a Protestant author who edited the first printed book in the Lithuanian language.

Variants of his name include Martinus Masvidius, Martinus Maszwidas, M. Mossuids Waytkūnas, Mastwidas, Mažvydas, Mosvidius, Maswidsche, and Mossvid Vaitkuna.

Biography
Mažvydas was a prolific 16th century Lithuanian author, who is associated with the beginnings of Lithuanian literature. He was of Samogitian origin, born near Žemaičių Naumiestis (now in Šilutė district municipality) in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania; his parents were said to be indigent townspeople. Mažvydas spent his youth in Vilnius, where he worked together with other pioneering Lithuanian authors from the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, such as Abraomas Kulvietis, Jurgis Zablockis, and possibly Stanislovas Rapolionis. Later Mažvydas would publish some of their works.

In Roman Catholic Lithuania Mažvydas was persecuted for his Protestant leanings, which motivated him to accept an invitation from Duke Albrecht of Prussia to come to Königsberg. He entered Albertina University in 1546; in 1548 he graduated from the university with a bachelor's degree. The fact that Mažvydas graduated in one-and-a-half years suggests that he had studied elsewhere before – possibly in Kraków, or at the school established by Kulvietis in Vilnius. It has also been suggested that he was teaching at Albertina University.

To spread the new Protestant faith in Prussia, Duke Albrecht commissioned the translation and publication of Lutheran texts in Old Prussian and Lithuanian. In the year 1547, while still a student in Königsberg, Mažvydas and his collaborators compiled and published the first printed Lithuanian book Catechismusa Prasty Szadei ("The Simple Words of Catechism") at the Hans Weinreich printing works in an edition of no more than 300 copies. It was based on the Polish version of Martin Luther's "Kleiner Katechismus". This book shows characteristics of the Samogitian dialect of Lithuanian, with clearly visible Aukštaitian traits. It was printed at about the same time as the first books in neighbouring nations' languages: Polish in 1513 or 1514, Belarusian in 1522, Estonian in 1535, and Latvian in 1585.

In 1549, Mažvydas was appointed a priest in Ragainė, in the present-day town of Neman. In the same year he wrote and published The Song of St. Ambrosy, with a dedication in Lithuanian. In 1554 Mažvydas became the Archdeacon of Ragainė. He oversaw the education of his parishioners, regulated agricultural matters, and continued his literary work in Lithuanian. He translated "The Form of Baptism" from German into Lithuanian and published it in Königsberg in 1559. Between 1558 and 1562 he published "The Prussian Agenda" into the prayer "Paraphrasis", published in Königsberg in 1589, after the death of the translator. Another of his major works is "The Christian Songs" (Gesmes Chriksczoniskas, Gedomas Baszniczosu Per Aduenta ir Kaledas ik Gramniczu) (Part I, in 1566; Part II, in 1570), printed by his cousin Baltramiejus Vilentas. This book served as a basis for other Protestant books of songs that would later be published in Lithuania Minor.

Mažvydas initiated the patterns of several genres of Lithuanian literature: a primer; a catechism; a book of songs with notes; a prayer book; a translation of Holy Writ; and original prefaces and dedications.

He died in Königsberg (now Kaliningrad), aged about 53.

The Catechism

In the year 1547 Mažvydas compiled and published the first printed Lithuanian book – the Catechism (The Simple Words of Catechism), that was the beginning of literature and printing in Lithuanian. The book was printed in Königsberg.

The book consists of the dedication in Latin To the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, two prefaces: one in Latin (in prose), and one in Lithuanian (in verse), a primer, the catechism, and the book of songs. The rhymed preface in Lithuanian, The Appeal of The Small Book Itself Unto Lithuanians and Samogitians, is the first authentic verse in Lithuanian. An acrostic, the initial letters of its lines from 3 to 19 downwards, form the name of the author, Martinus Masvidius, thus confirming his authorship.

The prefaces state the aims of the author, namely, to educate people and spread culture, to fight the remains of heathen beliefs, and to consolidate the Protestant religion. The style of the preface is distinctly rhetorical; it is the most prominent example of syntactical-intonational prosody in Lithuanian literature.

Approximately 200 copies were printed; only two have survived. One is held at the Vilnius University Library in Lithuania, and another at Nicolaus Copernicus University in Toruń Library in Poland.

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Thomas Lowry

Thomas Lowry (February 27, 1843 – February 4, 1909) was an American lawyer, real-estate magnate, and businessman who oversaw much of the early growth of the streetcar lines in the Twin Cities area of Minneapolis, St. Paul, and surrounding communities in Minnesota. He became head of the Minneapolis Street Railway Co., later to become part of Twin City Rapid Transit (TCRT). He is not known to be a relative of Sylvanus Lowry, the slaveholder and profiteer of slavery-related enterprise from St. Cloud, Minnesota.

Lowry was born in Logan County, Illinois, and came to Minneapolis in 1867 after passing the bar to become a lawyer. He set up shop and quickly found much of his work to be related to real-estate deals. Soon, real-estate became his primary focus. In 1875, he was recruited to join the Minneapolis Street Railway, which was rushing to begin operations. Two years later, in 1877, he had a controlling interest in the company. He managed the company and organized finances, while his brother-in-law Calvin Gibson Goodrich handled other details. In the early days, Lowry spent a lot of time arranging loans so the railway could be expanded. Lowry had the idea to extend rails out into areas that had not yet been developed, much of that land being owned by him. His company merged with the rail line of St. Paul after the first "interurban" line connected the Twin Cities. The merger became effective at the beginning of 1892. In 1898, TCRT began building a number of its own streetcars, rather than purchasing them from other companies. The first one of these was a special car for Lowry that had large window panes at one end so that he could see more as the car traveled through the region. It was used by the company on several special occasions, and United States President William McKinley made use of it on a visit to Minneapolis around 1900.

Lowry also served as president of what would become Soo Line Railroad from 1889 to 1890 and again from 1892 to 1909.

Lowry married Beatrice Goodrich. The couple had a son, Horace Lowry, on February 4, 1880. Horace would eventually follow in his father's footsteps, becoming president of Twin City Rapid Transit until his death on August 22, 1931. Lowry Sr. was a member and benefactor of the First Universalist Church of Minneapolis (a.k.a. Church of the Redeemer).

Several sites in Minneapolis are named for Lowry because of his efforts to expand the rail system in the area. A memorial by Karl Bitter was dedicated to him at the intersection of Lyndale and Hennepin Avenue in 1915. Originally, the memorial was meant to serve as a welcome to the southwest neighborhoods of Minneapolis. The statue was moved to Smith Triangle Park on Hennepin Avenue in the 1960s due to the construction of the Lowry Hill Tunnel, which reconfigured the Hennepin/Lyndale intersection. Thomas Lowry Park is located at Douglas and Mount Curve Avenues in Lowry Hill, also in memorial of Thomas Lowry.

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Talk:Clarinet Concerto (Nielsen)

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Is this article significant?? I want to know whether to put it on Vfd. 66.245.12.170 22:20, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

 * Yes it is, involving music --Plato 22:24, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

 * '"Clarinet Concerto" Nielsen' does give 3000 hits in google, so it is somewhat notable. Wiki is not paper, so there is not much harm in keeping it. Thue 22:26, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

 * Nielsen is a very famous composer, and this is one of the 20th century's best-known clarinet concerti. --Camembert

 * This clarinet concerto is one of the standards on the repertoire of the classical clarinettist and one of the hallmarks of 20th century clarinet literature brian stormer (talk) 08:26, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Just a personal opinion, but I think Nielsen's clarinet concerto has only one competitor to be the top clarinet concerto of the complete repertoire and that is Mozart's concerto. It has great depth and an enormous emotional range. Next to what is almost hysteria, there are passages of calmth and enormous warmth. At the same time, it has a recognisable structure. Nl06857 (talk) 00:12, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

The reference to the clarinet player John McCabe, who recorded the concerto on the Unicorn disc label is probably incorrect - I can hardly believe, that the referred person is the same as the clarinet player. I own the LP on which he plays the concerto and can confirm, that he is (was) an exceptionally fine player, combining virtuosity with feeling, having a beautiful tone and a very nice, light vibrato where appropriate.Nl06857 (talk) 00:19, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Oxenvad never recorded the concerto (as this article implicitly acknowledges, since the date of the first recording, by Cahuzac in 1947, was 3 years after Oxenvad's death), so the reference to HMV DB 5704 is almost certainly spurious (I can find no other reference to it online apart from in clones of this article). Byrdnuts (talk) 19:37, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

... and have consequently removed it (the entry read *Aage Oxenvad. Nielsen, His Masters Voice HMV DB 5704) Byrdnuts (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:59, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

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User talk:Meelar/archive 1

''*Hi, I'm just wondering about the page rap metal. It's currently a stub, and I'm wondering if it could be just made into a redirect to nu metal. Is there any significant difference between the two genres? Thanks, and it's good to have you with us. Meelar 09:27, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)''
 * Umm I don't think theres really any difference. Not all nu-metal bands have rapping in their music and rap metal jsut refers to nu-metal bands with rapping in them. Arm

Hi. I would say either

 * Budget generally refers to a list of planned expenditures...

or

 * A budget is a list of planned expenditures...

i.e., if I'm writing about the word budget, and saying "refers to", I would italicize it, but if I'm writing about a budget -- the thing itself, rather than the word -- then I would not italicize it. Michael Hardy 00:42, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Hi, on United States Constitution, it is completely NPOV to say, for instance, that Alexander Hamilton was a "brilliant young lawyer"; it would only be POV if there were reputable authorities who made the case that he was stupid (in which case I would like to see their names), and of course the "young" and "lawyer" parts are objective facts. It's not wrong to have qualitative assessments in encyclopedia articles, we just want the ones we have to be the consensus of the experts, not anything we made up ourselves. Stan 04:01, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * I think I understand your concern, but that's not what NPOV is about; it does not dictate the removal of factual material, in fact the rule is to add more material to represent the alternate points of view. For instance, you could say "wide variety ..." and add ", although they had a common background as wealthy white landowners". It doesn't serve our readers well to reduce WP articles down so far that they don't say anything beyond a bare recitation of names and dates; the statement about variety of occupations is important to counter ignorant arguments that the Constitution was only drafted by lawyers, or businessmen, or whatever (I have heard those arguments, so it's not just hypothetical.) So achieve balance by adding facts, not deleting them. Stan 15:09, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * It's looking much better! Your other tweaks are appreciated too BTW; it's a complicated article that deserves scrupulous wording. Stan 20:26, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

referencing the Trenton Ray page comment you placed in the history, the establishment is real and the article is entirely accurate, I frequent one at least once a week.

Most of my military info is naval and/or historical I'm afraid; I don't actually know anything more about counter-terrorism than what is in the article now. :-) Stan 14:10, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Cleanup
Hi, at cleanup, you wrote:
 * "The Wolf is an album by Andrew W. K., but as it stands the article is an album review by a big fan. Needs a rewrite from someone.  Should this be an article, or should I list it on VfD?"

This page was exactly the same as first version of Andrew W. K. before that was heavily edited so I deleted it but thanks for listing it at Cleanup. Angela. 05:15, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)

What needs to be wikified at College of Cardinals is the names of the Cardinals and the dates of their appointment. You're just doing the easy stuff :) Adam 02:36, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC) -- Dear Meelar: Hi1 Thanks for your commetary on my page regarding the Bush comment. The reason I reverted was that this commetary was done from a person without a name, and you know, rookies are famous for writing their point of views in this website. Hell, I used to do it all the time until I learned what NPOV was. So since the addres that put that about Chavez read something like 98.183.198 or something I thought maybe this was just a person putting his opinion.

I have no idea about politics in Venezuela other than that many see Chavez as a dictator and that Viasa stopped flying during his government..LOL

Thanks and God bless you. Now to work on my article about Angelines Fernández.

Later alligator! Antonio Law breaker Martin

No problem. Bmills 13:29, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Hi Meelar, I'm going to have a go at making rondel into an article. I've found out quite a bit about them, but not once (in my googling) seen a reference to them being thrown. Can you tell me where you got this from (online, your memory, etc)? Cheers, Fabiform 04:56, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link Meelar, I had that one saved but had completely missed the reference to throwing daggers, duh. And there's nothing wrong with your stub, a vast improvement on what went before!  Cheers Fabiform 16:45, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC)

 * Well now rondel is a disambiguation page and rondel (dagger) is looking quite good (if I do say so myself). I now know more about rondels than any person could ever need to know. :) Fabiform 04:10, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Committees
See my reply re Congressional Committees at Village Pump. jengod 23:54, Jan 29, 2004 (UTC)

History of slavery in the United States
hi. I'll have a look and I will use it as a secret link. thanks Optim 21:39, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Dirac equation
I tried to correct this: ''where B =$$\nabla$$ ×A is the magnetic field acting on the particle. This is precisely the Pauli equation for a non-relativistic spin-1/2 particle, in the article Dirac equation because there was where B =∇ ×A is the magnetic field acting on the particle. This is precisely the Pauli equation for a non-relativistic spin-1/2 particle'', and I am triyng to translate it to catalan, do you know if it is correct?, in other case do you know who can tell it to me?

Plàcid 21:08, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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At the main page you can find, in other languages (català), a link to our Catalan Wikipedia

Plàcid 10:10, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

--- $$\nabla$$ is a nabla, a hebrew leter. In matematics is a vectorial operator.

many thanks

Plàcid 21:57, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Just curious about your name
Where did "Meelar" come from? It resonates with me because of an obscure animated movie called Rock & Rule which me and my friends watched at least 200 times during our college years.... if you don't know what I'm talking about, then don't mind me. But I'd still be curious to know the origin.

You do great work on the 'pedia, by the way -- I'm glad you're part of the madness! -- Catherine 17:44, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Hi, you are now a sysop. Enjoy. Bmills 16:02, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Well, thanks. Some sentences just bother me, and I'm happy that at least some Bush edits are non-controversial :) - Nunh-huh 02:58, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Welcome to Wiki
Good work Meelar. You beat me by a fraction of a second in welcoming User:Robert Young ;) →Raul654 05:15, Feb 7, 2004 (UTC)

List of music videos
I really have no idea where to begin. I haven't been involved in that article at all; I just removed it from votes for deletion and listed it on cleanup because the consensus seemed to be that it needed a lot of work, but shouldn't be deleted. --Delirium 07:08, Feb 7, 2004 (UTC)

Sysopship
Hi, I noticed your question on Finlay's page. If you are an admin now, you should list yourself on Administrators. The Administrators' reading list is a good place to start. Basically, don't protect a page you've edited, don't edit page that is protected as a result of an edit war, don't delete pages unless a "rough consensus" has been achieved, give warnings to anons before you ban them and only ban logged in users if their only edits are simple vandalism, or if there is consensus their name should be changed. Don't worry too much about it. Everything other than page history merges and image deletions can be reversed by other sysops. Angela. 03:02, Feb 9, 2004 (UTC)
 * Meelar, it is possible that you have not actually been upgraded to admin by a developer. Usually they tell you right away.  I'm making an inquiry or two on your behalf and will get back to you. :)  If you do discover you have your abilities to protect, rollback, etc., please let me know. :) Jwrosenzweig 22:16, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
 * Re: your note, it is my belief that Bmills, while an excellent admin and one of my companions on a WikiProject, is not a developer. I do not believe that he can actually make you an admin (it requires the advanced developer status that only a few Wikipedians have).  I hope we can sort this out. :) Jwrosenzweig 22:51, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
 * From my talk page:
 * Bmills attempted to make Meelar a sysop during the bried "interwiki bureaucrat" experiment. He accidentally forgot to type in the wiki where he wanted to make a sysop, and so he made Meelar a sysop on meta by mistake. -- Tim Starling 23:14, Feb 9, 2004 (UTC)
 * I have to assume this means Tim will take care of things quite soon. Welcome to admin status (or welcome very shortly to it, at least!) :) Jwrosenzweig 23:20, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Hi, you'll know when you are one as you'll see the "edit this page" link on protected pages instead of the "view source" link. If you still aren't one, just bug Tim. :) Angela. 23:25, Feb 9, 2004 (UTC)
 * Congratulations and welcome. Glad to have you aboard. :) Jwrosenzweig 05:34, 11 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Re:randroid
Please list redirects at redirects for deletion. --Jiang 07:11, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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Some basic questions Re: Wikipedia
Hi Meelar,

Thanks for the welcome comment! :) I am afraid that I don't know anything about the topics you suggested.  I was hoping to stick with editing and writing in my main field of interest, neuroscience and especially hearing.  I have a couple of questions with regard to Wikipedia.

Is it OK to download an image from the Wikipedia, edit it for content, and then upload it again to the Wikipedia? (There is one figure that could be used in the Wiki for many languages if it had the latin names instead of English ones...)

Is is OK to link to other web pages that have excellent coverage of a particular topic?

Thanks for advice, Ekretzmer 21:38, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)

It's probably fine to download, modify and upload again. If a language is removed from one it's good to also upload the one with the language removed, to help others put on their own language. Jamesday 22:27, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)

copyvio
No problem. "Given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow", right? - snoyes 18:42, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)

John Kerry
OK. Did you revert it, or do you want me to? RickK 21:36, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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Mediengruppe Telekommander

Mediengruppe Telekommander, founded in 2001 by Florian Zwietnig and Gerald Mandl, was an Austrian/German electronic band. Since 2002, they have gained considerable attention in the media of Germany and Austria.

The band depicts and criticizes today's consumerist culture with harsh lyrics and their distinctive fusion of indie, punk rock, hip hop, and electronic music.

In February 2012, the duo played their farewell concert in Berlin before separating.

Discography

 * EP 1 (vinyl single 2002)
 * EP 2 (vinyl single 2003)
 * Trend (single 2004)
 * Die ganze Kraft einer Kultur (2004)
 * Bis zum Erbrechen schreien (single 2004)
 * Sprengkörper (12" club single 2006)
 * Näher am Menschen (2006)
 * Endlosrille (single 2009)
 * Einer muss in Führung gehen (single 2009)
 * Einer muss in Führung gehen (2009)
 * Deine Schule (Single) (2011)
 * Die Elite der Nächstenliebe (Album) (2011)
 * Billig (Single) (2011)

title: Mediengruppe Telekommander


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Yom Tov Tzahalon

Yom Tov ben Moshe Tzahalon, (יום טוב בן משה צהלון), also known as the Maharitz, (c. 1559 – 1638, Safed, Eyalet of Sidon), was a student of Moses di Trani and Moshe Alshich, and published a collection of responsa.

Aged twenty-five, Tzahalon was requested by Rabbi Samuel Yafeh of Constantinople to decide a difficult and complicated problem which had been referred to himself and he corresponded with most of the authorities of his time, one of his chief antagonists being Moses Galante (the Elder). Although a Sephardi, Tzahalon rendered a decision in favour of an Ashkenazic congregation in a controversy which arose between the Sephardim and Ashkenazim at Jerusalem, and in his love of truth he did not spare even his teacher, Joseph Caro, declaring that the Shulchan Aruch was written for children and laymen. Tzahalon was the author of a commentary on the Book of Esther, entitled Lekach Tov (Safed, 1577). He was the author of responsa and novellæ which were published with a preface by his grandson Yom-Tov (Venice, 1694), and he mentions also a second part, of which nothing more is known (Machon Yerushalayim has published more of his responsa in 1979). He likewise wrote a commentary on the Abot de-Rabbi Natan, entitled Magen Avot, which is still extant in manuscript. In his preface to this latter work Tzahalon terms himself Yom-Tov ben Moses ha-Sefardi, whence it is clear that the family came originally from Spain, although it is not known when it emigrated or where Tzahalon was born.

Jewish Encyclopedia bibliography

 * Giovanni Bernardo De Rossi, Dizionario, s.v.;
 * Graziadio Nepi, Mordecai Ghirondi, Toledot Gedole Yisrael, p. 206;
 * Dukes, in Orient, Lit. ix. 346;
 * Moritz Steinschneider, Cat. Bodl. col. 1414.

title: Yom Tov Tzahalon


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List of national and international statistical services

The following is a list of national and international statistical services.

Central national statistical services
Nearly every country in the world has set a central public sector unit entirely devoted to the production, harmonisation and dissemination of official statistics that the public sector and the national community need to run, monitor and evaluate their operations and policies. This central statistical organisation does not produce every official statistic as other public sector organisations, like the national central bank or ministries in charge of agriculture, education or health, may be charged with producing and disseminating sector policy oriented statistical data. The statistical legislation and regulation generally attribute responsibilities and authorities according to statistical domains or functions in addition to those of the central unit.

The table below lists these central statistical organisations by country. The United States has no central producing unit, but several units (also listed below) have been given responsibility over various federal statistics domains (see also: Federal Statistical System of the United States).

Europe
(Institutions from countries marked with * are members of Eurostat's European Statistical System (ESS).)

Autonomous statistical services at sub-national level
Some countries are politically organised as federations of states or of autonomous regions; also a specific territory might have been given a partial autonomy. Several of these sub-national regional units have set their own quasi-independent statistical department. A list is presented in Sub-national autonomous statistical services


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Nat Reeves

Nat Reeves (born 1955) is an American jazz bassist. He resides in Hartford, Connecticut, and teaches at The Hartt School of the University of Hartford. He also performs internationally with a number of jazz artists.

Band leaders
Reeves has worked with Jackie McLean, Kenny Garrett, Joe Farnsworth, and others.

As leader

 * State of Emergency (482 Music, 2012)
 * Blue Ridge (Side Door, 2018)

As sideman
With Eric Alexander
 * Live at the Keynote (Skip, 1999)
 * It’s All in the Game (HighNote, 2006)
 * Temple of Olympic Zeus ((HighNote, 2007)
 * Revival of the Fittest (HighNote, 2009)
 * Don't Follow the Crowd (HighNote, 2011)
 * Recado Bossa Nova (Venus, 2015)

With Steve Davis
 * Crossfire (Criss Cross, 1998)
 * Portrait in Sound (Stretch, 2000)
 * Dig Deep (Criss Cross, 2004)
 * Update (Criss Cross, 2006)
 * Alone Together (Mapleshade, 2007)
 * Eloquence (Jazz Legacy, 2009)
 * Gettin' It Done (PosiTone, 2012)
 * For Real (PosiTone, 2014)
 * Say When (Smoke Sessions, 2015)

With Joe Farnsworth
 * Beautiful Friendship (Criss Cross, 1999)
 * Drumspeak (CMD, 2006)
 * Super Prime Time (Eighty Eight, 2012)
 * My Heroes: Tributes to the Legends (Venus, 2014)

With Kenny Garrett
 * Introducing Kenny Garrett (Criss Cross Jazz, 1984)
 * Songbook (Warner Bros., 1997)
 * Simply Said (Warner Bros., 1999)
 * Seeds from the Underground (Mack Avenue, 2012)

With David Hazeltine
 * Good-Hearted People (Criss Cross, 2001)
 * The Jobim Songbook (Chesky, 2007)

With Randy Johnston
 * Jubilation (Muse, 1992 [1994])
 * Somewhere in the Night (HighNote, 1997)
 * Homage (JCurve, 2000)
 * Hit and Run (HighNote, 2002)

With Harold Mabern
 * Kiss of Fire (Venus, 2002)
 * Don't Know Why (Venus, 2003)
 * To Love and Be Loved (Smoke Sessions, 2017)

With Steve McCraven
 * Sound of the Forest Boogaraboo (World McMusic, 1994) with Archie Shepp
 * Bosco (EF Mic, 1996) with Archie Shepp and Arthur Blythe

With Jackie McLean
 * Dynasty (Triloka, 1988)
 * Rites of Passage (Triloka, 1991)
 * The Jackie Mac Attack (Dreyfus, 1991)
 * Rhythm of the Earth (Dreyfus, 1992)
 * Hat Trick (Somethin' Else/Blue Note, 1996)
 * Montreal ’88 (Hi Hat, 2018)

With Saori Yano
 * Yano Saori (JRoom Jazz, 2003)
 * O2 (JRoom, 2004)

With others
 * Mary DiPaola, Cat’s Cradle (Brownstone, 1997)
 * Tom McClung, The Telling (Terieva, 1997)
 * Mike DiRubbo, From the Inside Out (Sharp Nine, 1999)
 * Dakota Staton, A Packet of Love Letters (HighNote, 1999)
 * Michael Musillami, Archives (Playscape, 2001)
 * Laird Jackson, Touched (Cap, 2002)
 * Jesse van Ruller, Here and There (Criss Cross, 2002)
 * Anthony Wonsey, The Thang (Sharp Nine, 2006)
 * Diana Perez, It's Happenin'  (Zoho, 2008)
 * Javon Jackson and We Four, Celebrating John Coltrane (Solid Jackson, 2012)
 * John Webber, Down for the Count (Cellar Live, 2014)
 * Jacques Lesure, Camaraderie WJ3, 2015)
 * Rene McLean, Ancestral Calling: Music of the Spirit (I'Jazza, 2017)
 * Jim Snidero & Jeremy Pelt, Jubilation (Savant High Note, 2018)
 * Jim Snidero, Waves of Calm (Savant, 2019)

title: Nat Reeves


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Sul Ross State University

Sul Ross State University (SRSU) is a public university in Alpine, Texas. The main campus is the primary institution of higher education serving the nineteen-county Big Bend region of far West Texas. Branch campuses, branded as Rio Grande College, are located in Del Rio, Uvalde, Eagle Pass, and Castroville.

Named for former Texas governor and Civil War Confederate general Lawrence Sullivan Ross, the institution was founded in 1917 as Sul Ross Normal College and was made a university in 1969. It is governed by the Board of Regents of the Texas State University System.

History
Named for Lawrence Sullivan Ross, governor of Texas from 1887 to 1891 and president of The A&M College of Texas from 1891 to 1898, the institution was the successor to Alpine Summer Normal School.

April 14, 1914, Governor James E. Ferguson signed the bill selecting Alpine as the site for a normal school provided the residents of the town would provide land, water, and utilities for the college and housing for the students. This condition was met swiftly, and following a delay occasioned by World War I, the Legislature in 1919 appropriated $200,000 for buildings and equipment.

Construction proceeded, and under the presidency of Thomas J. Fletcher, Sul Ross State Normal College began operations in the present Dolph Briscoe Jr. Administration Building on June 14, 1920.

The first Sul Ross students
Seventy-seven students enrolled in the summer of 1920. They studied education and liberal arts subjects leading to teaching certificates and junior college diplomas. In 1923, the Legislature changed the name of the institution to Sul Ross State Teachers College, and advanced courses leading to baccalaureate degrees were added. The first baccalaureate degree was awarded in the summer of 1925. In 1930, course work at the graduate level was initiated, and the first master's degrees were awarded in 1933.

Early in its history, Sul Ross became the cultural and educational center for the mountainous, remote Big Bend region. The state-supported Museum of the Big Bend was established in the 1930s as a depository for materials which depict the multicultural society and history of the Big Bend region, and in 1976, the Archives of the Big Bend in the Bryan Wildenthal Memorial Library was organized to provide a permanent depository and research facility for regional manuscript collections.

Under the leadership of President Horace W. Morelock from 1923 to 1945, the curriculum was expanded, additional academic buildings and dormitories were constructed, the college was admitted into membership in the Southern Association of Colleges and Secondary Schools, and enrollment increased to about 500 students. A decline in enrollment during World War II threatened the continued operation of the college, but was offset by the establishment of a successful U.S. Navy pilot training program and a Women's Army Corps Training School on campus, bringing more than 1,500 military trainees and officers to Sul Ross.

Postwar expansion
Following the war, the return of veterans increased the annual enrollments and prompted the expansion of the curriculum. Richard M. Hawkins became president in 1945, and the college was reorganized into divisions of Fine Arts, Language Arts, Science, Social Science, Teacher Education, and Vocations. Then in 1949, in recognition of the broadened mission of the institution to prepare students for a variety of careers and occupations, the name was changed to Sul Ross State College.

The enrollment grew to more than 1,000 in 1960 and to over 2,000 in 1970. During the presidencies of Bryan Wildenthal and Norman L. McNeil between 1952 and 1974, the academic programs continued to be strengthened; new fine arts, physical education, science and range animal science buildings and a new library were constructed, and several new degree programs were begun.

Sul Ross becomes a university
In 1969, the Legislature again changed the name of the institution, this time signifying full state university status as Sul Ross State University. The 1970s were years of stable or declining enrollments caused by the opening of several new colleges in West Texas. The general education requirements were revised; new degree programs were added in criminal justice, business administration, and geology; an off-campus study center was established on the campus of Southwest Texas Junior College in Uvalde to provide opportunities for residents of the Uvalde, Del Rio, and Eagle Pass areas to pursue upper-level and graduate work in teacher education and business administration; the Legislature appropriated more than $10 million to renovate and modernize the academic buildings; and personnel changes brought to the university a new generation of faculty, consisting, in 1985, of around 100 persons of whom 74% held a doctorate. By 1985, 10,925 bachelor's degrees and 4,862 master's degrees had been conferred.

Facilities and projects of interest

 * Archives of the Big Bend
 * Borderlands Research Institute for Natural Resource Management
 * Center for Big Bend Studies
 * Chihuahuan Desert Research Institute
 * Chihuahuan Desert Resource, Conservation, and Development Area, Inc.
 * Museum of the Big Bend
 * Minority and Small Business Development Center
 * Bryan Wildenthal Memorial Library
 * Arts in West Texas
 * Rio Grande Heritage Tourism Project
 * Rio Grande Research Center
 * Sul Ross State University Alumni Association
 * Theatre of the Big Bend
 * Jim V. Richerson Invertebrate Collection
 * A. Michael Powell Herbarium
 * James F. Scuddy Vertebrate Collection

University memberships

 * American Association of State Colleges and Universities
 * American Library Association
 * Association of Texas Graduate Schools
 * Conference of Southern Graduate Schools
 * Hispanic Association of Colleges and Universities
 * National Association of Foreign Student Affairs
 * The Texas Library Association
 * National Collegiate Athletic Association
 * Texas Interscholastic Athletic Association

Sul Ross Law Enforcement Academy
The academy provides two types of training programs. A Basic Police Academy is conducted annually. Cadets who successfully complete the basic police training academy are eligible to sit for the Basic Peace Officer Examination. Those who pass this exam with a score of 70 percent or higher are then certified by The Texas Commission on Law Enforcement (TCOLE) and are eligible for hire by Texas law enforcement agencies.

The academy also provides continuing education and in-service training for law enforcement and corrections personnel in the Sul Ross State University service area. A variety of courses ranging from four hours to forty hours in length are offered each semester. These courses are designed to fulfill TCOLE mandated training requirements and to meet the unique training needs of area agencies of rural and small-town law enforcement agencies.

Athletics
Sul Ross State athletic teams are called the Lobos. The university is a member of the Division III level of the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) in the Lone Star Conference.

Sul Ross State competes in 12 intercollegiate varsity sports: Men's sports include baseball, basketball, cross country, football, soccer and tennis; while women's sports include basketball, cross country, soccer, softball, tennis and volleyball.

In July 2023, Lobos athletic programs were approved for reclassification to Division II. On July 1, 2024, the university became a member of the Lone Star Conference.

Student housing
Student housing is located at Lobo Village. Lobo Village 1 (LV1) and Lobo Village 2 (LV2) are the permanent resident halls for students. Students under the age of 21 who have not lived on campus for four fall or spring semesters are required to live in these halls, unless they get exceptions from the Residential Living office. Fletcher Hall is a temporary overflow facility when all space at LV1 and LV2 is occupied. Students at Fletcher Hall are required to move to LV1 or LV2 when space becomes available in those areas.

Single students may live in the Lobo Village efficiency apartments in Lobo Village 3 and Lobo Village 4. To live in these apartments, students are required to be 21 or older. Family housing, for couples and students with dependent children, is located in Lobo Village 5, Lobo Village 6, and Lobo Village 7. Residents of the family housing are zoned to the Alpine Independent School District, and are zoned to Alpine Elementary School, Alpine Middle School, and Alpine High School.

Rio Grande College
Sul Ross State University (SRSU) operates Rio Grande College (RGC) and SRSU distance learning centers on the campuses of Southwest Texas Junior College (SWTJC) in Uvalde, Del Rio, and Eagle Pass. Serving thirteen counties in Southwest Texas, RGC offers both undergraduate and graduate programs.

The academic programs
Rio Grande College offers college junior, senior and graduate level coursework with programs in liberal arts, business and teacher education and certification at the elementary or secondary level at all sites. To be admitted to Rio Grande College, a student must have completed 42 semester credit hours of transferable work, passed the Texas Academic Skills Program requirements, and met other admission requirements outlined in the current Rio Grande College Catalog. Bachelor's degrees in a variety of fields including nursing, education, business, biology, criminal justice, English, Spanish, history, mathematics, psychology, social science as well as child development and organizational leadership are offered.

Master's degrees in English, history, public administration, business, education, criminal justice and health and human performance are also offered.

The RGC Distance Learning Centers at each of the four campuses provide real-time interaction between a professor and students learning from a distance. All campuses are equipped with two computer labs and writing centers, where students are tutored to master written and oral communication skills. Additionally, more than half of RGC's course offerings are available online for convenience of students otherwise obligated to work or family schedules.

History
RGC was renamed by the Texas Legislature as Sul Ross State University Rio Grande College in 1995, recognizing its service to the broad area of the Middle Rio Grande and Wintergarden regions of Texas. Originally known as the SRSU Study Center, the college had been renamed the SRSU Uvalde Study Center in 1985 and again the SRSU Uvalde Center in 1989.

Cultural diversity
The student body is multicultural and consists of traditional and non-traditional students.

Notable alumni

 * Don Bingham, professional football player
 * Dan Blocker, actor
 * Norm Cash, professional baseball player
 * Pete P. Gallego, former U.S. Representative for Texas's 23rd congressional district from 2013 to 2015, president of Sul Ross
 * Sandra A. Gregory, United States Air Force Brigadier General
 * Tuff Hedeman, professional bull rider
 * Erasto B. Mpemba, Tanzanian wildlife officer and, as a schoolboy, discoverer of the Mpemba effect
 * Roberta Rudnick, geologist
 * J.T. Rutherford, member, U.S. House
 * Scotty Walden, college football coach
 * Kern Wildenthal, hospital and university administrator

title: Sul Ross State University


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British Columbia Highway 8

Highway 8, known as the Nicola Highway, is an alternate route to Highway 97C between Highway 1 and the Coquihalla Highway (Highway 5) in the Thompson-Nicola Regional District. Highway 8 was first numbered in 1953, and very little about the highway changed between that year and 2021, when large segments of the highway were washed out by floods.

Highway 8 follows the Nicola River for 69 km between Spences Bridge, on Highway 1, to Merritt on Highway 5.

History
Highway 8 is part of the first automobile route built to connect the Lower Mainland to the Alberta border. Named the Southern Trans-Provincial Highway, it ran from Vancouver to Crowsnest Pass and was later designated as Route A; the route followed Kingsway and Yale Road from Vancouver to Hope, then turned north to Spences Bridge. The route then turned southeast and passed through Merritt and Princeton along present-day Highway 8 and Highway 5A before travelling east along present-day Crowsnest Highway (Highway 3) towards Osoyoos, the Kootenays, and the Alberta border. In 1941, British Columbia transitioned from lettered to numbered highways, with the Lower Mainland section of Route A becoming Highway 1 and the remainder becoming Highway 3. After the end of World War II, the provincial government began to upgrade its highway system and constructed new sections of its highways. On November 2, 1949, the Hope-Princeton Highway through Allison Pass and Sunday Summit was opened, reducing the driving distance between Hope and Princeton from approximately 300 km to 135 km.

When the Okanagan Connector was constructed between Merritt and Kelowna in the late 1980s, initial proposals had it designated as Highway 8; however, communities on the route preferred it designated as an auxiliary route of Highway 97 and was designated as Highway 97C.

During the major floods in November 2021, large segments of the highway were washed out by the Nicola River. Further washouts occurred during repairs in mid-2022. On September 23, 2022, it was announced that highway had been reconnected for the first time since the washouts, enabling locals to use the highway. The highway subsequently reopened to the general public on November 9, nearly a year after the washouts.

Major intersections
For west to east. The entire route is in the Thompson-Nicola Regional District.

title: British Columbia Highway 8


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Givens rotation

In numerical linear algebra, a Givens rotation is a rotation in the plane spanned by two coordinates axes. Givens rotations are named after Wallace Givens, who introduced them to numerical analysts in the 1950s while he was working at Argonne National Laboratory.

Matrix representation
A Givens rotation is represented by a matrix of the form

 * $$G(i, j, \theta) =

\begin{bmatrix}  1   & \cdots &    0   & \cdots &    0   & \cdots &    0   \\ \vdots & \ddots & \vdots &       & \vdots &        & \vdots \\ 0  & \cdots &    c   & \cdots &   -s   & \cdots &    0   \\ \vdots &       & \vdots & \ddots & \vdots &        & \vdots \\ 0  & \cdots &    s   & \cdots &    c   & \cdots &    0   \\ \vdots &       & \vdots &        & \vdots & \ddots & \vdots \\ 0  & \cdots &    0   & \cdots &    0   & \cdots &    1 \end{bmatrix},$$

where $c = cos θ$ and $s = sin θ$ appear at the intersections $i$th and $j$th rows and columns. That is, for fixed $i$ $>$ $j$, the non-zero elements of Givens matrix are given by:
 * $$\begin{align}

g_{kk} &{}= 1 \qquad \text{for} \ k \ne i,\,j\\ g_{kk} &{}= c \qquad \text{for} \ k = i,\,j\\ g_{ji} &{} = -g_{ij}= -s\\ \end{align}$$

The product $G(i, j, θ)x$ represents a counterclockwise rotation of the vector $x$ in the $(i, j)$ plane of $θ$ radians, hence the name Givens rotation.

The main use of Givens rotations in numerical linear algebra is to transform vectors or matrices into a special form with zeros in certain coefficients. This effect can, for example, be employed for computing the QR decomposition of a matrix. One advantage over Householder transformations is that they can easily be parallelised, and another is that often for very sparse matrices they have a lower operation count.

Stable calculation
When a Givens rotation matrix, $G(i, j, θ)$, multiplies another matrix, $A$, from the left, $G A$, only rows $i$ and $j$ of $A$ are affected. Thus we restrict attention to the following counterclockwise problem. Given $a$ and $b$, find $c = cos θ$ and $s = sin θ$ such that
 * $$ \begin{bmatrix} c & -s \\ s & c \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix} a \\ b \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix} r \\ 0 \end{bmatrix}, $$

where $$ r = \sqrt{a^2 + b^2} $$ is the length of the vector $$(a,b)$$. Explicit calculation of $θ$ is rarely necessary or desirable. Instead we directly seek $c$ and $s$. An obvious solution would be
 * $$\begin{align}

c &{}\larr a / r \\ s &{}\larr -b / r. \end{align}$$

However, the computation for $r$ may overflow or underflow. An alternative formulation avoiding this problem is implemented as the hypot function in many programming languages.

The following Fortran code is a minimalistic implementation of Givens rotation for real numbers. If the input values 'a' or 'b' are frequently zero, the code may be optimized to handle these cases as presented here.

Furthermore, as Edward Anderson discovered in improving LAPACK, a previously overlooked numerical consideration is continuity. To achieve this, we require $r$ to be positive. The following MATLAB/GNU Octave code illustrates the algorithm.

The IEEE 754  function, provides a safe and cheap way to copy the sign of   to. If that is not available, $|x|⋅sgn(y)$, using the abs and sgn functions, is an alternative as done above.

Triangularization
Given the following 3 ×  3 Matrix:

 * $$ A_1 =

\begin{bmatrix}  6    &    5    &    0   \\ 5   &    1    &    4     \\                         0    &    4    &    3     \\       \end{bmatrix},$$

two iterations of the Givens rotation (note that the Givens rotation algorithm used here differs slightly from above) yield an upper triangular matrix in order to compute the QR decomposition.

In order to form the desired matrix, zeroing elements (2, 1) and (3,  2) is required; element (2,  1) is zeroed first, using a rotation matrix of:
 * $$G_{1} =

\begin{bmatrix}  c    &    -s    &    0   \\ s  &    c    &    0     \\ 0   &    0    &    1     \\       \end{bmatrix}.$$

The following matrix multiplication results:

\begin{align} G_1 A_1 &{}= A_2 \\ &{} = \begin{bmatrix}  c    &    -s    &    0   \\ s  &    c    &    0     \\ 0   &    0    &    1     \\       \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix}  6    &    5    &    0   \\ 5   &    1    &    4     \\                         0    &    4    &    3     \\       \end{bmatrix}, \end{align} $$

where
 * $$\begin{align}

r &{}= \sqrt{6^2 + 5^2} \approx 7.8102 \\ c &{}= 6 / r \approx 0.7682 \\ s &{}= -5 / r \approx -0.6402. \end{align} $$

Using these values for $c$ and $s$ and performing the matrix multiplication above yields $A_{2}$:
 * $$A_2 \approx \begin{bmatrix}  7.8102    &     4.4813    &    2.5607   \\

0   &    -2.4327    &    3.0729   \\                                 0    &          4    &         3   \\       \end{bmatrix}$$

Zeroing element (3, 2) finishes off the process. Using the same idea as before, the rotation matrix is:
 * $$G_{2} =

\begin{bmatrix}  1    &    0    &    0   \\ 0  &    c    &    -s     \\ 0   &    s   &    c     \\ \end{bmatrix}$$

Afterwards, the following matrix multiplication is:

\begin{align} G_2 A_2 &{}= A_3 \\ &{}\approx \begin{bmatrix}  1    &    0    &    0   \\ 0  &    c    &    -s     \\ 0   &    s   &    c     \\ \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix}  7.8102    &    4.4813    &    2.5607   \\ 0  &    -2.4327    &    3.0729     \\                         0    &    4    &    3     \\       \end{bmatrix}, \end{align} $$

where
 * $$\begin{align}

r &{}\approx \sqrt{(-2.4327)^2 + 4^2} \approx 4.6817 \\ c &{}\approx -2.4327 / r \approx -0.5196 \\ s &{}\approx -4 / r \approx -0.8544. \end{align} $$ Using these values for $c$ and $s$ and performing the multiplications results in $A_{3}$:
 * $$A_3 \approx

\begin{bmatrix}  7.8102    &    4.4813    &    2.5607   \\ 0  &    4.6817    &    0.9665     \\                         0    &    0    &    -4.1843     \\       \end{bmatrix}. $$

This new matrix $A_{3}$ is the upper triangular matrix needed to perform an iteration of the QR decomposition. $Q$ is now formed using the transpose of the rotation matrices in the following manner:

 * $$Q = G_{1}^T\, G_{2}^T.

$$

Performing this matrix multiplication yields:
 * $$Q \approx

\begin{bmatrix}  0.7682    &   0.3327    &    0.5470   \\ 0.6402  &     -0.3992    &    -0.6564     \\                         0    &    0.8544    &     -0.5196     \\       \end{bmatrix}.$$

This completes two iterations of the Givens Rotation and calculating the QR decomposition can now be done.

Complex matrices
Another method can extend Givens rotations to complex matrices. A diagonal matrix whose diagonal elements have unit magnitudes but arbitrary phases is unitary. Let A be a matrix for which it is desired to make the ji element be zero using the rows and columns i and j>i. Let D be a diagonal matrix whose diagonal elements are one except the ii and jj diagonal elements which also have unit magnitude but have phases which are to be determined. The phases of the ii and jj elements of D can be chosen so as to make the ii and ji elements of the product matrix D A be real. Then a Givens rotation G can be chosen using the i and j>i rows and columns so as to make the ji element of the product matrix G D A be zero. Since a product of unitary matrices is unitary, the product matrix G D is unitary and so is any product of such matrix pair products.

In Clifford algebra
In Clifford algebra and its child structures such as geometric algebra, rotations are represented by bivectors. Givens rotations are represented by the exterior product of the basis vectors. Given any pair of basis vectors $$\mathbf e_i, \mathbf e_j$$ Givens rotations bivectors are:

 * $$B_{ij} = \mathbf e_i \wedge \mathbf e_j.$$

Their action on any vector is written:

 * $$v=e^{-(\theta/2)(\mathbf e_i \wedge \mathbf e_j)}u e^{(\theta/2)(\mathbf e_i \wedge \mathbf e_j)},$$

where

 * $$e^{(\theta/2)(\mathbf e_i \wedge \mathbf e_j)}= \cos(\theta/2)+ \sin(\theta/2) \mathbf e_i \wedge \mathbf e_j.$$

Dimension 3
There are three Givens rotations in dimension 3:

R_X(\theta) = \begin{bmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & \cos \theta & -\sin \theta \\ 0 & \sin \theta & \cos \theta \end{bmatrix}. $$

 * $$\begin{align} \\

R_Y(\theta) = \begin{bmatrix} \cos \theta & 0 & -\sin \theta \\ 0 & 1 & 0 \\ \sin \theta & 0 & \cos \theta \end{bmatrix} \end{align} $$

 * $$\begin{align} \\

R_Z(\theta) = \begin{bmatrix} \cos \theta & -\sin \theta & 0 \\ \sin \theta & \cos \theta & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 1 \end{bmatrix} \end{align} $$

Given that they are endomorphisms they can be composed with each other as many times as desired, keeping in mind that $g ∘ f ≠ f ∘ g$.

These three Givens rotations composed can generate any rotation matrix according to Davenport's chained rotation theorem. This means that they can transform the standard basis of the space to any other frame in the space.

When rotations are performed in the right order, the values of the rotation angles of the final frame will be equal to the Euler angles of the final frame in the corresponding convention. For example, an operator $$R = R_Y(\theta_3)\cdot R_X(\theta_2)\cdot R_Z(\theta_1)$$ transforms the basis of the space into a frame with angles roll, pitch and yaw $$YPR = (\theta_3,\theta_2,\theta_1)$$ in the Tait–Bryan convention z-x-y (convention in which the line of nodes is perpendicular to z and Y axes, also named Y-X′-Z″).

For the same reason, any rotation matrix in 3D can be decomposed in a product of three of these rotation operators.

The meaning of the composition of two Givens rotations $g ∘ f$ is an operator that transforms vectors first by $f$ and then by $g$, being $f$ and $g$ rotations about one axis of basis of the space. This is similar to the extrinsic rotation equivalence for Euler angles.

Table of composed rotations
The following table shows the three Givens rotations equivalent to the different Euler angles conventions using extrinsic composition (composition of rotations about the basis axes) of active rotations and the right-handed rule for the positive sign of the angles.

The notation has been simplified in such a way that $c_{1}$ means $cos θ_{1}$ and $s_{2}$ means $sin θ_{2})$. The subindexes of the angles are the order in which they are applied using extrinsic composition (1 for intrinsic rotation, 2 for nutation, 3 for precession)

As rotations are applied just in the opposite order of the Euler angles table of rotations, this table is the same but swapping indexes 1 and 3 in the angles associated with the corresponding entry. An entry like zxy means to apply first the y rotation, then x, and finally z, in the basis axes.

All the compositions assume the right hand convention for the matrices that are multiplied, yielding the following results.

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!xzx c_2 & - c_1 s_2 & s_1 s_2 \\ c_3 s_2  & c_3 c_2 c_1 - s_3 s_1  & - c_2 c_3 s_1 - c_1 s_3 \\ s_2 s_3  & c_3 s_1 + c_1 c_2 s_3  & c_3 c_1 - c_2 s_3 s_1 \end{bmatrix}$$ !xzy c_2 c_3    & - c_3 s_2 c_1 + s_3 s_1   &  c_3 s_2 s_1 + s_3 c_1 \\ s_2        & c_1 c_2                  & - c_2 s_1 \\ - s_3 c_2  & s_3 s_2 c_1+c_3 s_1     & -s_3 s_2 s_1 + c_3 c_1 \end{bmatrix}$$ !xyx c_2      & s_1 s_2    & c_1 s_2 \\ s_2 s_3  & c_3 c_1 - c_2 s_3 s_1 & - c_3 s_1 - c_1 c_2 s_3 \\ -c_3 s_2 & c_3 c_2 s_1 + c_1 s_3 & c_3 c_2 c_1 - s_3 s_1 \end{bmatrix}$$ !xyz c_3 c_2 &	-s_3 c_1 + c_3 s_2 s_1 &	s_3 s_1 + c_3 s_2 c_1 \\ s_3 c_2 &	c_3 c_1 + s_3 s_2 s_1 &	-c_3 s_1 + s_3 s_2 c_1 \\ -s_2 &	c_2 s_1 &	c_2 c_1 \end{bmatrix}$$ !yxy c_3 c_1 - c_2 s_3 s_1 & s_2 s_3 & c_3 s_1 + s_3 c_2 c_1 \\ s_1 s_2 & c_2 & - c_1 s_2 \\ -c_2 c_3 s_1 - c_1 s_3 & c_3 s_2 & c_3 c_2 c_1 - s_3 s_1 \end{bmatrix}$$ !yxz c_3 c_1-s_3 s_2 s_1 &	-s_3 c_2 &	c_3 s_1+s_3 s_2 c_1 \\ s_3 c_1+c_3 s_2 s_1 &	c_3 c_2 &	s_3 s_1-c_3 s_2 c_1 \\ -c_2 s_1 &	s_2 &	c_2 c_1 \end{bmatrix}$$ !yzy c_3 c_2 c_1 - s_3 s_1 & - c_3 s_2 & c_2 c_3 s_1 + c_1 s_3 \\ c_1 s_2 & c_2 & s_1 s_2 \\ -c_3 s_1 - c_1 c_2 s_3 & s_2 s_3 & c_3 c_1 - c_2 s_3 s_1 \end{bmatrix}$$ !yzx c_2 c_1 &	-s_2 &	c_2 s_1 \\ c_3 s_2 c_1+s_3 s_1 &	c_3 c_2 &	c_3 s_2 s_1-s_3 c_1 \\ s_3 s_2 c_1-c_3 s_1 &	s_3 c_2 &	s_3 s_2 s_1+c_3 c_1 \end{bmatrix}$$ !zyz c_3 c_2 c_1 - s_3 s_1 & - c_2 s_1 c_3 - c_1 s_3 & c_3 s_2 \\ c_3 s_1 + c_1 c_2 s_3 &  c_3 c_1 - c_2 s_3 s_1 & s_2 s_3 \\ -c_1 s_2 & s_1 s_2 & c_2 \end{bmatrix}$$ !zyx c_2 c_1 	    &           -c_2 s_1    &   s_2 \\ s_3 s_2 c_1+c_3 s_1 &	-s_3 s_2 s_1+c_3 c_1 &	-s_3 c_2 \\ -c_3 s_2 c_1+s_3 s_1 &	 c_3 s_2 s_1+s_3 c_1 &	 c_3 c_2 \end{bmatrix}$$ !zxz c_3 c_1 - c_2 s_1 s_3 & - c_3 s_1 - c_1 c_2 s_3 & s_2 s_3 \\ c_2 c_3 s_1 + c_1 s_3 & c_3 c_2 c_1 - s_3 s_1 & - c_3 s_2 \\ s_1 s_2 & c_1 s_2 & c_2 \end{bmatrix}$$ !zxy c_3 c_1+s_3 s_2 s_1 &	-c_3 s_1+s_3 s_2 c_1 &	s_3 c_2 \\ c_2 s_1         &	c_2 c_1 	   &      -s_2 \\ -s_3 c_1+c_3 s_2 s_1 &	s_3 s_1+c_3 s_2 c_1 &  	c_3 c_2 \end{bmatrix}$$
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User talk:Meelar/archive 2

I noticed the entry for tenet also and now see your message to UserBubba. I'm fairly new to Wikipedia and before I saw your message I listed the entry on the VFD page - was that inappropriate? I was going to write a polite message to the user also which is how I found yours.

--Bob Palin 23:43, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Hi Meelar, regarding deleting the page, it was also in the context of having to delete a previous obvious vanity page about a nonfamous individual. This one seems to be a nonfamous person, with only one hit on Google: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22Adam+Beaugh%22+furman&btnG=Google+Search. Feel free to re-create if you feel it should be back here, and then it can be worked out on through due process. But I deleted it preemptively because it seemed like vandalism/vanity/nonsense. Fuzheado 23:49, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)

And edit that you made earlier somehow managed to make a second copy of the entire cleanup page - a glitch in the URL maybe? People then carried on editing for a while until somebody (in fact User:Jerzy) noticed.

He then reverted to the state of the page before your "edit of doom" and set about restoring the edits that he'd effectively just removed. He had to log off for some reason, so I'm just finishing up the job. Shouldn't take more than another few minutes.

I'm not sure Jerzy's way of fixing was the best possible, but now that he's started the easiest thing to do is finish it.

Onebyone 00:18, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer of help, but all finished now - it only took me 10 minutes to finish what Jerzy started. Onebyone 00:30, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I have made a page on the alien experiments from Lilo & Stitch. You can check out the page here:

Alien experiment (Lilo & Stitch)

Enjoy! BigT27 00:43, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)

- You've listed me for a copyright violation. The material you referenced is a copy (properly cited) from the Wikipedia article. It something from an article I split, not something I wrote, anyway. See my talk page for the top of the article showing their citation to the Wiki article. P0M 05:46, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

P.S. I checked the history for "Horse Breaking," and the original versions appear to have fallen off the end of the archive, so I can't tell who wrote the stuff you cited as "copyright violation." P0M 05:52, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

---

Meelar thanks for the welcome. I do indeed have rather a lot of respect for the late great Douglas Adams. I am surprised that my 'self-referential' quotation comparing the Hitchiker's Guide To The Galaxy with Wikipedia was so utterly and speedily removed by someone else from Washington (?), but there we are. User:Brequinda

Hi Meelar,

Since you're on the welcoming commmittee, I'm letting you know that there's a new page at New user log. It's intended to let new users introduce themselves. You might want to change your welcome boilerplate to suggest that a new user sign the page. Thanks, Isomorphic 05:50, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Hey, Meelar,

BigT27 here. Check out the article I made on the biggest cold snap in U.S. history. Go to The 11/11/11 cold wave. Enjoy, BigT27

Congress Meelar, keep me in the loop re Congress. I can't promise anything, but I'm def interested. jengod 18:57, Feb 23, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the spoiler message on Riddley Walker - sorry I forgot that - you beat me to it by about 5 seconds! --Hob 21:53, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Vote on revert policy
Hi Meelar,

I would like you to reconsider your vote on Wikipedia talk:How to revert a page to an earlier version. I write you because I hope that we can come as close to consensus as possible on this matter. This would make enforcement a lot easier.

You wrote in your comment that "I support it in all but rare cases, where, with gentle comments, reversion can guide new users to what's acceptable, and end up with a better version." Please understand that the proposed policy does not prohibit reverting. It prohibits edit warring, i.e. reverting more than three times. This, in my opinion, goes clearly beyond "guiding new users" - at this point the guiding should really take place on the discussion page of either the user or the talk page of the article.

I have seen many users turn into trolls because their edits were reverted constantly and they felt "suppressed" by the Wikipedia "elite". Add to this the fact that most newbies do not realize that they, too, can revert a page, and it can become really frustrating to them -- they repeatedly, carefully make what they think is a positive change, and within seconds, it vanishes. They may not even see the comment in "Recent changes" because they do not know that this function exists.

That's why I think reverts should generally be a last resort. And I say that as someone who would probably have agreed with your reasoning a year ago. My experience on Wikipedia has led me to believe that it is very important to talk to users directly, and open a friendly dialogue.

In the spirit of consensus, I would very much appreciate it if you would think about voting in favor of this policy.—Eloquence 03:34, Feb 24, 2004 (UTC)

If you wish to address an edit of mine, the best way to do so is via my talk page. Lirath Q. Pynnor

Hi, Meelar:

Thanks for the kind words. As you seem to agree, an encyclopedia entry is no place for the sort of slanted rhetorical tricks common in debates about current affairs. After correcting such a trick made by somebody else, I was embarrassed to see that I had went down the same path myself. I hope you agree that, after correcting my own mistake, the end result of all of my edits is better than what came before them.

The ironic fact that Bin Laden was a member of the mujahideen does belong in this encyclopedia, in the appropriate places: the Osama bin Laden and mujahideen entries.

Likewise, the mitigating fact the lion's share of Iraqi armaments came not from the U.S. but from the Soviet Union and France, may also have a place in this encyclopedia, but not where I put it originally.

Best Regards,

-- M. E. Smith

Hi Meelar, sorry to take so long to get back to you about the maps, I've been out of town (still am, actually). The electoral maps were derived from the public domain government one at http://nationalatlas.gov/electionsprint.html and I put them up with their original coloration.

While I see nothing wrong with changing the color, I don't really think it would be worth the extra work involved. I'm not sure the major parties have official colors on maps; I'm pretty sure I've seen red and blue used interchangeably during the course of several election years going back to the '60s (although all the major news outlets seem to agree on a standard within a particular election year, I'm not sure there's an overall standard). - Hephaestos|§ 22:27, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Doublings of Cleanup
Each of the following two edit-history lines on page history of cleanup appears twice in a row with the same time:
 * . . 18:30, 2004 Feb 15 . . Meelar (added "Editorial Televisa")
 * . . 23:00, 2004 Feb 27 . . Meelar (removed "Poster Child")

Each was associated with doubling the content of the page, by embedding a second copy within a copy. (I.e., the head appeared twice, then the tail appeared twice.) As i know really nothing else about you, i consider it good sense and not just WP practice, to assume good intent on your part; i conjecture that there is something about your browser (and probably how that browswer interacts w/ the WP server at present), or, less likely, something about the way you edit, that makes this likely. It may or not have anything to do with edit conflicts or saving twice when the server seems balky,or editing using "Edit this page" instead of the "[edit]" section-edit link.

I urge you to seek assistance, perhaps at Village pumpor by contacting a sysop or developer, in troubleshooting this. And since we know so little of each other, i hope you will not resent my asking you to let me how you decide to pursue it, since i would feel remiss if i did not, and someone -- someone almost certainly far less responsible than you -- chose to ignore these events.

I doubt i can be of significant help on this, but of course you should not hesitate to ask for my help if you think of something that maybe i could do, or you don't see a way to proceed. TIA, Jerzy(t) 05:47, 2004 Feb 28 (UTC)

No, of course you didn't know. It's something a person could make happen intentionally, but i don't think there's any reason you should have known. I would have been no more diligent abt the info you had than what you describe yourself having done. And i should make clear that when i noticed the first of these, i didn't even bother to notice who did the crucial edit: it just happened that i recalled your name bcz i noted one of your other, normal edits needed restoring after my rushed effort that got the fix started, and it was still familiar to me when looked at the circumstances of the second in week on the same page.

I am far from assuming, BTW, that you are more than the victim of a pure coincidence, and in any case i doubt we are doing enough to educate users about risky editing behaviors that anyone deserves to feel embarrassed even if they could have prevented such a problem.

Keep smiling & edit boldly! --Jerzy(t) 01:02, 2004 Feb 29 (UTC)

On the Late Great Trenton Ray
Oh, that's all right. I would have been fooled too, if I didn't know Central Texas so well.

By the way, thanks for the support on my abortive admin nomination by Jengod. To be honest, I knew it wouldn't fly, but I was curious to see who might give me a thumbs up even now. In other words, the worst form of egotism. :) -- Decumanus 21:01, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

--- Hi, thank you for the reply to my talk page comment. RE: talk pages - I assume your statement that one should not edit talk pages doesn't apply to one's own talk page, and also that its okay to edit your own talk on other people's talk pages or article pages? ChessPlayer 04:37, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Triple Goddess
Your new context sets the Triple Goddess in the context of the modern Wiccan religion. But she is a major image in the mythology or Near Eastern and Minoan Bronze Age culture. Isn't this like putting "Emperor" in the context of the Tarot deck or the Great Pyramid in the context of the Shriners or the design of the Dollar Bill? It seems eccentric. Wetman 22:48, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Probably. Look at the entry for Uzza, part of a three-in-one young, queen, old triad of a goddess in pagan pre-Islamic Mecca. Or Cybele. And no, "neo" anything is never the same thing. Think of the difference between the Parthenon and the Lincoln Memorial! Triple Goddess needs a lot of work though... Wetman 23:14, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

That sounds good. I edited the opening just now, and added some links to help orient readers. Wetman 00:35, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Re:. A good starting point is Boilerplate request for permission. Good work! -- Cyan 01:01, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Heh. It's not even the first time the Bush picture has been swapped like that... Evercat 04:13, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * Meeler, I took out your thing about how Bush's chances of winning the Nobel are small, because you are speculating. It may or may not be the case that people think he won't win, but there is no hard data that most people think he won't. Until you can produce such data, your speculative comment will be removed. Acornlord 11:06, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Consensus
5 out of 7 is not a consensus. Neither is 4 out of 7. Davidodd did not vote to delete. Anthony DiPierro 02:15, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Bushy persona
Thanx for removing this para; talk about useless information. Cecropia 20:06, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

White flight
I'm afraid I haven't a clue. -- Cyan 02:46, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

D.C. Statehood
I'm very glad you picked that one up right away. I was afraid it would sit there for a while. -- Decumanus 06:56, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * Funny, I was going to trust you on that one. My experience living in D.C. was two years in the early 1980s going to Georgetown, and regular visits since then to friends. But my gut says the position itself is not extreme, but that its advocacy is relegated to the fringe because it is considered an impossible goal. It was actually almost part of the Democratic Platform in 1988 (or was, I knew a delegate who was gung-ho about it and held up big banners in Atlanta). So I think the Democratic Party doesn't waste any breath on something they know will never fly, considering the Republicans are in control of Congress, and it is generally accepted that D.C. statehood would automatically mean 2 more solid Democratic seats in the Senate. -- Decumanus 07:05, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Is there any reason at all why the USS HMAS pages should not be deleted immediately? Tannin

Because since when was the Royal Australian Navy part of the US Navy? That "USS" prefix is both laughable wrong and quite offensive. Tannin

On second thoughts, I think we can cover these two under the "patent nonsense" rule. I'll just delete them. Thanks. Tannin 07:34, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

USS Hmas
Er,...,uh,...actually that page might have been right. I think this page: and a few others lend me to believe that there was a transfer of vessels perhaps from the Australian navy to the U.S. navy (as happens oftens between nations by sale, etc.) and that the vessels was renamed as a US destroyer without dropping the Hmas. There were a few ships like that. -- Decumanus 07:42, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

New User - John Kerry Page
Thanks for the kind advice. I have had two people step forward and I appreciate it.

One question: I tried to email this and it said I had to be logged in and have a valid email address. I was logged in and have a valid address. Does the software send me a required confirmation by email? I haven't got one.

Thanks

Gustnado 00:36 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the Welcome
Hi Meelar,

Just wanted to say thanks for the warm welcome you left on my page. I'm going to try and get some info about Pudovkin's films up soon and expand his page, I was surprised to find that there was nothing there already!

Cheers, Chris 15:53 (GMT) 12 Mar 2004

Thanks for letting me know about the Dastar Corp. v. Twentieth Century Fox Film Corp. listing on VfD. Jamesday 04:57, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Idaho
Go Broncos! :) -- Decumanus 18:16, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Vfd erasures
Meelar, When you remove articles from VfD, I believe it's customary to move the comments from the VfD page to the disputed article's talk page, and to remove the VfD notice from the article. - Nunh-huh 02:46, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

 * I don't mean to discourage housecleaning, I just happened to notice an oversight and tip you off in case you didn't know.. - Nunh-huh 23:19, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Stonewall/Judy
Hi, I noticed you edited the Stonewall Riots article, and I couldn't help wondering--why was Judy Garland a hero to gays? It doesn't mention anything about the reasons in her article. If I were a cat, I'd be dead by now. Yours, Meelar 02:16, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * I did an initial clean on Judy Garland and the Stonewall Riots articles in preparation of adding content on the why's and how's of her icon status with the gay community. I think it will be a separate article, though since it is long. Davodd 02:29, Mar 17, 2004 (UTC)

Thank you for your nomination! That was kind of you. Moncrief 07:39, Mar 18, 2004 (UTC)

About the hardcore punk article, I added and removed Anti-Flag only because it's listed under anarcho-punk, and it seems someone made an effort to not overlap the two lists. Also, you reverted to a version that had two sentences that made no sense at all, which I had fixed. Anyways, this is the first time I've used usertalk, so forgive me if i've made a mistake in using it! YahoKa.

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 * Geoff Maskell
 * Barra Best
 * Cecilia Daly
 * Angie Phillips
 * Linzi Lima

Previous notable presenters and reporters

 * Jackie Fullerton
 * Jim Dougal
 * Noel Thompson
 * Donna Traynor

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Why did Maximus Rex HTML comment out my To Do: list? I've seen these (and been doing them) on wiki before?--Vsb 22:31, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

Commentary belongs on the Talk page, not in the article. (Maximus is nice -- I would have deleted it.) RickK 22:34, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

But then why do we have the Stub bit? I mean a short todo just give users a quick glance at what is needed without having to cruise through endless talk pages. I can see the importance of talking about additions and to-dos if the article is controversial but in this case I dont see the harm.--Vsb 22:44, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

All Wikipedia articles are works in progress. If we kept "to do" lists all over the place, it would be unreadable. RickK 22:46, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

Alright. Point-taken.

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 14:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

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Wasserstein, Bernard author of an important article in TLS on re-assessing Hannah Arendt's "On Totalitarianism" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grshiplett (talk • contribs) 00:49, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

title: Talk:Bernard Wasserstein