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The Aquarium Fishes Newsletter: January 2007
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Tilapia articles

 * Tilapiine cichlid
 * Tilapia in aquaculture
 * Tilapia as exotic species

Given that to a non-expert user like myself, these articles seem to cover different aspects of the same fish, which should be part of the same article, the split has not alleviated confusion - if the articles are about seperate species or groupings of species, that needs to be made clear in the intro sections by stating what differentiates each. — Swpb talk contribs 13:24, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Fair enough, we will go back and make sure that tilapia (lower case), Tilapia (upper-case italicised), and tilapiine cichlids are clearly differentiated where required. This actually reflects very nicely why scientists use Latin names -- common names often lead to exactly this type of confusion. Cheers, Neale Neale Monks 14:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

It looks like Tilapia in aquaculture and Tilapia as exotic species both refer to Tilapia in the commercial sense (not the taxonomic sense as I assumed previously) - why are these pages not part of Tilapia, of which they appear to be subpages? Page length is not an issue, so forcing readers to a subpage is unnecessary. — Swpb talk contribs 13:36, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Simple -- while some introductions of tilapia have been from fish farms, many have not. Tilapia have been introduced outside their normal range as anti-mosquito predators, to stock lakes for sport fishing, and to clear away aquatic plants. Accidential introductions have been caused by aquarists dumping unwanted fish in the wild. In Asia most introductions have been following on from aquaculture, but in the Americas and Australia, aquaculture is not an important factor. So yes, there is some overlap between Tilapia in aquaculture and Tilapia as exotic species, this is not always the case. Hence, the two subjects should be kept apart. Cheers, Neale Neale Monks 14:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Bramley Apple Bias
You injected subjective bias in the Bramley Apple page. It has now been toned down. Thanks--172.189.43.214 07:01, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Who are you? Bias on a page about cooking apples? Very odd. Anyway, have fun! Neale Neale Monks 14:23, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Re:Watch your back (aka shivs and shanks)
Well, it's "fashion" on purpose because it's unlikely that you'll come across something already perfectly broken and ready for use. I didn't change it to "shiv" in the text because it's more or less a "shard" being used as a "shiv", but it's definitely not a knife as it had been changed to. Also, when Luthor picks it up, he doesn't let anyone know about it, and when he uses it, he uses it in a way that models prisoners (the twist and break off for maximum damage in one hit). I also didn't change it because it's relatively original research, as it's never stated in the movie what it is or how he is using it. I think had he wrapped some tape around the end, it would have been more closer to the definition of "fashioning" a device. You could take a sliver of glass and wrap tape around for a handle and that's a shiv. Anyway, I was only trying to say that it wasn't a "knife", and definitely wasn't a reference to Darkseid's knife, in the edit summary. Bignole 23:35, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to change it to "shiv" on the grounds that "shard" is a neutral term (one that I had originally used till I thought that "shiv" was more accurate) that doesn't give way to interpretations, it is what it is. Bignole 00:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

The Aquarium Fishes Newsletter: Febuary 2007
--Melanochromis 15:32, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Gallery of beloniform fishes
I have added a "" template to the article Gallery of beloniform fishes, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at its talk page. Removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, but the article may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. Mr.Z-man  talk  17:09, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Halfbeak

 * Thanks for your constructive comments, here. Made the changes where I could. Cheers, Neale Neale Monks 23:29, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

You're most welcome. Good luck with wherever you're going to take it. — RJH (talk) 15:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

MONKS
Keep your grubby little mits of my edits Monks. That toilet entry was inspired. CUNT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.41.198.179 (talk) 02:25, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

planetcatfish / scotcat
Evening Neale -

I'm happy to be guided by your thoughts on this issue (though I dont have time to revert the changes tonight). Perhaps a better way forward would be the use of these sites as references rather than external links? These two sites may be put to better use in the "In the aquarium" sections? As external links I think they need to provide something unique - which in a way, I guess they do. My main concern is the potential for this to open the gate to many more hobbyists websites. Either way, I'm happy to simply revert the changes if you'd prefer.

Cheers - MidgleyDJ 10:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

The Aquarium Fishes Newsletter: March 2007
--Melanochromis 22:40, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Ovophiles
Thanks for your contribution to the Ovophile article. Interesting, important, and well referenced. —mako (talk•contribs) 19:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

peer review
Hi Neale -

I've tried to improve oscar (fish) to the point were it is close to good article status. Wondering if you would mind looking over the article? MidgleyDJ 02:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Mayan cichlid
Hi Neale -

Thanks for the help re: the oscar article.

I'd appreciate your input on the naming of the Mayan cichlid article @ Talk:Mayan_cichlid. MidgleyDJ 01:56, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Hi Neale, I'm glad I have your support for this argument over so-called common names! It's a nonsensical policy for most cichlids (and other fish). The common name in question isnt "common" and it seems very silly to me to use it - when a much better, universal name already exists (although it's worth pointing out I guess that the species is unlikely to remain in Cichlasoma for long now that Kullander has limited the genus to C. dimerus and similar species). I'm hoping others will come to the same conclusion. Not sure if you've seen the most recent reply to your comments by User:Melanochromis - but I think one of the links he provides (to the tree of life project) has a sensible policy for this ie: if the species has a formal, universal common name use it - otherwise use the scientific name.

 * Cheers, David. MidgleyDJ 21:01, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Hi Neale - are we interested in discussing this issue at a higher level? (eg: WikiProject Fishes) In my view this project would benefit from clarification of the "use the common name" rule. In my view unless the common name is universally used in "common" english (not fishing or aquarist english), in all english speaking countries, and is unambiguous - the scientific name should be used. MidgleyDJ 22:21, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Discussion created Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Fishes. Please feel free to join in. Cheers, David. MidgleyDJ 23:12, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Hi Neale, seems like WikiProject Fishes is close to reaching a consensus. Would you have time to make the small alterations requested by Neil and Stefan to the proposal? I think this is a major step forward for fish articles on Wikipedia, and I think you've done a great job on the current proposal! Cheers, David. MidgleyDJ 10:30, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Hi Neale, Wondering if I could get your input on this: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Fishes & Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Fishes? Cheers, David. MidgleyDJ 08:32, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi Neale - I'm in need of advice yet again :). Would appreciate your thoughts here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Aquarium_Fishes. Cheers, David. MidgleyDJ 22:40, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

RE: Paul Myers
I am neither Paul Myers or his PR agent (I don't think he needs me). I did add detail as the page was initially a stub and this is an industry I am well versed in, although I confess I know nothing at all about fish and would not dare correct an expert's on any subject that I know nothing of.

Your edited version as follows contains certain inaccuracies; Paul Myers is a former record producer and founder of the online music store Wippit and the free ISP X-Stream. As a record producer he was worked with artists including Gregory Hines, Forest Whitaker, and Betty Boo.

I reverted your changes because, they are inaccurate: 1. He did not work with artists Messrs Hines and Whitaker as a record producer. 2. The page does not give a full description of this persons work. 3. "he was worked with"? What language is that?

Three glaring errors in two short sentences and the removal of a ton of fact is not an improvement on the original. That's why I reverted them. Not because I am a PR agent.

Furthermore, I neither added the mention of the nomination or the radio appearence you allude to (check the history before pointing the finger). However the background of the inventor / pioneer of free internet access, creator of the world's first legal p2p system and who has now been nominated for a lifetime achievement award by his industry peers might be of interest to some, if not you.

It appears after looking at the other comments on this page perhaps you should stick to subjects you're expert in and read the articles you're editing before editing them. Wikipedia is a wonderful resource but benefits no one if information that is useful is removed on an ill educated whim. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.9.191.79 (talk) 18:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC).

 * Wikipedia isn't about levels of expertise alone, but verifiability as well. If you want to expand the article so that it has a neutral tone and gives verifiable references to every statement, particularly laudatory ones, then please go ahead and make them. I for one would appreciate that and support those changes. If there are technical errors with what is written, then again, make those changes. But to leave in place things like "he created a revolutionary idea that would change the face of the Internet - Free Internet access" is not only difficult to reference but impossible to verify. As such, it should not be included. Neither should links to his e-consultancy page or pages plugging his books. If he was nominated for an award but didn't get it, does it matter? Is the award notable enough to deserve an entry here? I'd encourage you to make constructive changes and corrections to the article, and bow to your better knowledge of the gentleman in question, but please try to keep the tone neutral and encyclopaedic. Other changes you have made to other articles have been reversed because other editors have the same perception of them that I do. Perhaps learn from that, and act accordingly. If in doubt, discuss on the Talk page before making a change. Thanks, Neale Neale Monks 19:12, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Birds and "significance"
Okay, I agree with what you're saying. I tweaked your phrasing a bit but left the essence of the change intact; see what you think. My intention with the "significance" language was to indicate that birds are significant to _us_ ... since they're still around, and are an indisputably important group of animals in the modern world.

However, I think you're right that it's probably stronger and simpler to omit bird "significance" (or lack thereof) entirely. Killdevil 22:31, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Prairie fish
Hi. You recently tagged this article for speedy deletion as patent nonsense. I'm afraid I'm not seeing the nonsense aspect (although the article is poorly written) so I'm wondering what led you to this conclusion. Natalie 23:05, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought but I figured I'd check. If you check the criteria for speedy deletion again, though, you'll find that hoaxes are explicitly mentioned as not falling under CSD. I would suggest prod for this, as I doubt it will be challenged. Natalie 23:13, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It certainly fooled me! Maybe WP:BJAODN would want this... Natalie 23:24, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for identifying this hoax. — User: (talk) 00:48, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Fish Quiz
Sure. You can delete all the questions/scoreboard and start a new question. I already archived them. --Melanochromis 19:50, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

The Aquarium Fishes Newsletter: April 2007
--Melanochromis 22:10, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Mouthbrooding
Hi Neale - Thanks for the clarification re: male mouthbrooding cichlids. I'm wasnt aware of Sarotherodon melanotheron, I've clarified my comments. Are there many other species that paternally mouthbrood? Thanks for the heads up. Cheers, David. MidgleyDJ 08:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Neale, changed to examples instead of exclusive cases. MidgleyDJ 08:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Have to say...
You're the only one who's ever taken down my edits on the KJA article with a sense of humor. Thought I'd acknowledge that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.165.9.161 (talk) 21:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC).

bala vs silver shark
Hi Neale -

A quick query re: Balantiocheilos melanopterus. This species is always known in Australia as the silver shark, this doesnt seem to be the case in the USA where it is known as the Bala shark. Wondering what this fish is called in the UK? Cheers, David. MidgleyDJ 10:58, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

 * While we are talking names - I'd appreciate your thoughts here on the Talk:Three spot gourami also. Sorry to keep bothering you :D! David. MidgleyDJ 12:17, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Mythical chickens
An article that you have been involved in editing, Mythical chickens, has been listed by me for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Mythical chickens. Thank you. -  irides cent   (talk to me!)  22:11, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

The Aquarium Fishes Newsletter: May 2007
--Melanochromis 19:57, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:Planohamites.jpg
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Hi, and thanks
Hello Dr. Monks, we haven't worked together on any articles that I recall, but I wanted to thank you for supporting my position in the recent discussion at Talk:Dinosaur. While I agree completely with the comments you made, I've reversed my initial position on the topic due to points made by a couple of other editors. I still don't think the section actually belongs in the article, but if it remains short and serves to keep the nutters away from other articles, then maybe it's worth keeping. I know that I didn't express my reasoning very well when I first suggested the change (although you clearly understood), but I was a bit stunned that the first several responses opposed the change. Still, in any situation where Firsfron contradicts me, I'm willing to consider that I might be mistaken. So for now, it might be best to let things lie as they are, and we can revisit the topic in the future if it seems necessary. Thanks again, and happy editing. Doc  Tropics  17:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Fish of Michigan
Which page did you mean by "unreal?" And how would I "switch it" back on? And I didn't actually think you were being sarcastic - I actually went to my library yesterday after school and found some books. I just didn't realize that they had so many books about it. :P So your advice was actually very helpful. Thanks for the link, though. I'm sure I'll find it helpful in the future. Corvus  coronoides   Contributions  M Go Blue 01:10, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Aquarium Fishes June 2007 Newsletter
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Zambezi river shark
OK, not trying to revert you, just trying to understand things, Zambezi and Zambezi river which is the same page does not call the river 'Zambezi River', it is called Zambezi, so therefore I think??? It is a the a shark called Zambezi 'river shark' not 'Zambezi River' shark, if you understand the difference. Well English is not my first language so what do I know. Anyway have to run now. But would like to know if I think wrong, or if Im just confused :-) Stefan 23:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Julian Sprung
Hi Neal, I was the one who put the article above up for deletion, but now I do not feel comfortable to keep defending its exclusion. If possible, would you mind stopping by the deletion discussion to make your point? Deleting or not is not important, the important is if the article stays is because the subject is notable. Thanks! Stellatomailing 22:26, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Focus? On the Striped Bass Talk Page
Neale, I just duplicated my comments here FYI--Mike Cline 13:40, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

I intend to trim the stuff about angling way back. It's totally out of proportion for an article about the biology of a fish. Take a look at Atlantic salmon or Common carp and you'll see a much more realistic balance between general biology and angling. If people prefer, we could always divest the angling stuff to its own article (say, Striped bass fishing). But as it stands now, there's a huge amount of unreferenced, chatty stuff about angling. Naming brands of lures and suggesting warm footwear really isn't relevant to the article at all. Much more valuable would be referenced quotes on the value (in dollars) of the striped bass fishery, the environmental impact of introducing striped bass on native fish faunas, use of striped bass by native peoples (if any), and so on. Cheers, Neale Neale Monks 09:30, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Neale I am going to agree with you on this one and actively follow-up on your suggestion:

If people prefer, we could always divest the angling stuff to its own article (say, Striped bass fishing).
 * The biology of a fish is the biology of a fish, whereas the cultural, recreational and economic aspects of a fish, especially one such as the Striped Bass are so exceptionally diverse, evolving and complex that trying to include them in an article purportedly devoted only to the biology of the fish is very difficult. Your comment:

Take a look at Atlantic salmon or Common carp and you'll see a much more realistic balance between general biology and angling.

 * Illustrates my point to in the best possible way. The history of Atlantic Salmon angling is storied and is a basis for much of our angling traditions today.  There are even today, evolving recreational fishing opportunities and techniques for Atlantic Salmon, especially the Landlocked strains.  On the Carp side, here is a fish that today is becoming one of the hottest tickets in fly fishing--the Golden Bonefish--It is a challenging and difficult fish to catch on a fly.  In both cases, the articles are clearly imbalanced toward the biology of the fish--a biology that is pretty much fixed, known, yada, yada.  Whereas, the economic, cultural and recreational aspects of this fish word for word, makes their biology a minor bit of information.

 * So Neale, I would encourage your support and the support of others involved in the "Fishes" project to concur with and support the creation of Fish Fishing articles and removing the angling aspects from the Fish Biology articles. --Mike Cline 13:40, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow
Wow, someone with some actual expertise on wikipedia! You deserve a barnstar more than half these jokers!--24.15.11.254 17:17, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Your copy/paste move of Dwarf Upside-down Catfish
Hi Neale,

Please don't move pages from one title to the other by copy/paste-ing their contents. This means that the edit history is no longer connected with the correct article. Only use the "move" tab, or if that does not work, request a move at WP:RM. Thanks. Eugène van der Pijll 15:40, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Aquarium Fishes July 2007 Newsletter
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Many thanks
...for your reversion of the various advertising links by 75.176.1.82.

I've alerted an Admin here if the problem persists. --Major Bonkers (talk) 19:25, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

A note on WP:SELF
Just a quick note: Though I, of course, won't edit-war if you choose to restore content about Ebert in the macguffin article, if you should choose to do so, you'll have to refrain from mentioning the wikipedia article itself. WP:SELF strongly discourages self-reference. (If the article were truely significant/notable, that might be different, but if it's mentioned as an aside, as with "incidentally...", then it just really shouldn't be included at all.) It's kinda like breaking the fourth wall. :) Bladestorm 17:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, you certainly made a good case for including it then. :) Bladestorm 19:08, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

PYGMIES + DWARFS
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Bass fishing
Hello Mike,

The list of secondary references is *way* too long. I appreciate the effort you've made in standardising the format and alphabetising them, and wonder if you could find a way to trim the back a bit and/or encourage others to do so. One way is to take them from the book list and add them as in-line references. In theory, *all* works used by contributors should be cited as references, not as further reading titles. This makes it possible for people to go back and verify the fact or statistic quoted to see if it really is in said reference book. Another approach is simply to cull the list down to, say, the top ten titles from a historic and usefulness perspective. I note that some editors seem to do nothing but add book titles to articles, presumably because they are authors or sellers of said volume. Since I know nothing about bass fishing I hesitate to crop the book list myself, though in due course I may pluck up the courage.

Yours etc., Neale Monks 09:08, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Neale -- Interesting thoughts as the list of books is only but a portion of the work out there. I have not added many of the more pedestrian and fadish books on bass fishing that are out there. The idea that one could cut down to the "top 10" would be a very subjective exercise. If I cared less about fly fishing for bass, none of those would make the list.  The same would hold true if all I cared about was fly fishing for bass, many of the titles wouldn't make my top ten.  I added the books, because in total they provide and excellent overall perspective of Bass Fishing from its earliest practice up to today.  It is weak on the professional side, but not because there isn't good literature on the subject, but because that's not my area of experience.  Every book I added, I have read and studied and have in my personal library.  They all provide insights into Bass Fishing.  To include their ideas and cite them as inline references would essentially turn the article into a literature review on Bass Fishing which I don't think is the intent.  However, as secondary references, they indeed, IMHO, contribute to the encyclopedic content of the article.

Since I know nothing about bass fishing I hesitate to crop the book list myself, though in due course I may pluck up the courage.
 * I would not think of removing references to Aquarium fish from an article, unless I had read the work and could cite unequivocally that the reference did not apply.

The list of secondary references is *way* too long.
 * I would consider the above a very subjective statement, clouded by realities of print publishing that just do not apply to digital works. We have the luxury of including extraordinary amounts of USEFUL information unconstrained by mere space requirements.  All that should guide whether or not information is included is relavance, NPOV and verifiability.

--Mike Cline 12:08, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Pufferfish in popular culture
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Quoting you at an MOS discussion
Hi. I just thought you'd like to know that I quoted at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style something you wrote at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Birds/archive_9–just facts about who capitalizes common names and who doesn't. I hope you don't mind. —JerryFriedman 00:36, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Cichlid anonymous editor
I've made a comment about this editor on the User talk:MidgleyDJ page, and have also reported him for 3RR. Neil916 (Talk) 18:38, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Neale - this editor has returned. Making repeated, unreferenced reversions this time to Jewel cichlid. I've this posted up on the Wikiproject also (here). Any help you can render would be appreciated. MidgleyDJ 04:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Commercial use of halfbeaks
I was just scanning through the article and i thought i'd give you a heads up about Southern and Eastern Sea Garfish being used as a major seafood species in Southern Australia. Garfish are one of the most popular and widely taken species in this region, which the article doesn't mention (i'm not surprised... it is only a tiny part of the family's range). Here are a few links:
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 * (its in the article)

I hope they are of some use, i'd do it myself but i'm going away for the weekend so if you need any more stuff, i should get back to you by Monday (South Australian time), and I'll give the article a look over and comment on the FA page.

Cheers Kare Kare 06:37, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Halfbeak comment strikeouts
Re the recent changes to the Halfbeak featured article candidate page: I think the usual way this is done is for an article editor to put a comment under each bulleted item when the item is fixed, and for the author of the bulleted item to strike it out after reviewing the change. No harm done this time, but I thought you'd like to know.

By the way, have the dashes in ranges been fixed? If so, please put a comment under that bullet and I'll go review that. Eubulides 17:08, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Aquarium Fishes August 2007 Newsletter
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Common Hatchetfish
Hello, I was wondering if you could transfer your image of the Common Hatchetfish to the Wikimedia Commons so it could be used by every Wikipedia? Thank you. Doo -  dle  -  doo  17:39, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Re:fish
I'm sure that the picture I added adds value to locomotion section simly because the picture gives the link to other image, which shows the same fish swimming in normal position, which in my opinion what locomotion is about. I do not know what fish it was because the image was taken in a wild, but I'm sure that if the picture would have been on display for few days somebody would have named the fish. Besides, the pictures do show locomotion of a fish. Is it so important to know what kind of the fish it was? I'm not going to put the image back, yet I believe that, if the 2 of us are disgree,as you found out, you should have disputed the removal of the image at the article talk page instead of removing it once again. Thanks.--Mbz1 14:20, 1 September 2007 (UTC)Mbz1
 * Per Wp:user I could do with my talk page whateever I wish without you telling me it was wrong. On the other hand critisisng my English is concidered not civil. I'm really not interested in learning your opinion about my English, my pictures and my edits. Please do not write me any more. Thanks.--Mbz1 15:58, 1 September 2007 (UTC)Mbz1
 * No wonder, you did not see a locomotion in the pictures, if you even did not notice such a clear thing that I do upload my pictures to commons for the last more than 4 months. As a matter of fact 99.999% of the pictures I uploaded so far were uploaded to commons. If this [[Image:Eel and fish locomotion.jpg|64px]] image does not show a fish locomotion, I'm not sure what image does. Well, of course it is easier instead of trying to explain why the same fish swims on his side and a moment later swims "normaly" simly remove the image.  In my opinion, if one sees a spelling error it is easier to correct it than to point it out to a contributer (of course I'm talking about what a  polite person will do). Btw, if you look at the message about hawk pictures at my talk page, I hope you could understend how polite people are discussing image relevence for an article and, if you look at your message, you would see the sample of non-civil and rude discussion.Oh, and sorry for my English--Mbz1 17:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)Mbz1
 * And one last thing, as I mentioned earlier I'm not interested in recieving any more of your messages, so I believe it would be only fair to let you know that I would delete all and every one of them with no reading. I just do not want you to loose your time writing them. Your time will be spend much more productive, by removing few more pictures of mine from the articles.Thanks.--Mbz1 17:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)Mbz1

Myxocyprinus asiaticus
''Can you please move Chinese high fin banded shark back to Myxocyprinus asiaticus. We have an established naming protocol for fish article names (see here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Fishes). In this case, because Myxocyprinus asiaticus is referred to under a number of common names (high-fin shark, freshwater batfish, wimple, Chinese banded shark, etc.), none of them universally, then the Latin name is favoured. I noticed you create the article initially under the Latin name, so if I might say so, your initial approach was the right one! Thanks very much! Neale Neale Monks 10:04, 1 September 2007 (UTC)''
 * Done. Moved back to Latin name. Thank you and regards. - Dragonbite 20:25, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Cladogram
Phylogeny of the halfbeaks. The halfbeak family Hemiramphidae (in bold) is paraphyletic.

Phylogeny of the halfbeaks. The halfbeak family Hemiramphidae (Zenarchopterinae + Hemirhamphinae) is paraphyletic.

The clade template definitely is more easy to maintain. Sometimes it does not do well with too much text. Perhaps the reduced text size is causing the readability problem you suggest. Here is an alternative. Maybe the paraphyly can merely be noted in the text. Here are some alternatives forms that may be a little better looking. Shyamal 01:37, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

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Trachinocephalus myops
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Blennies
I don't think it's quite fair to say that the saber-toothed blenny pretends to be a cleaner, as that would imply a certain amount of conscious intent. DS 17:34, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

The pot calling the kettle black?
You are right. I should have discuss it before removing.--Mbz1 14:52, 21 September 2007 (UTC)Mbz1

Chicken
Dinosaur Comics: clearly too good for you to appreciate. --Arkracer 10:28, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

cleaning station, eel and so on
Hello, Neale Monks. If you want to move my images out of any fish articles they are in, please, go ahead. Thanks.--Mbz1 00:42, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

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The Aquarium Wiki Encyclopaedia
Hi Neale, I'd thought I'd mention another Wiki called The Aquarium Wiki Encyclopaedia to bring to your attention. We'd thought we'd try to put online a comprehensive Encyclopaedia on the Aquarium hobby and it's filling out very nicely.

We're always looking for comments and editors. So we'd welcome any input.

--Quatermass (talk) 21:59, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

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Zambezi river shark?
Sorry to take up space, but I got back from Zambia. I'll read the article, and so thank you. Please keep wrighting so many aquatically themed articles. thank you!Jourdy288 (talk) 22:53, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry, I just realized I wasted your space.Jourdy288 (talk) 22:55, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

My Wikiproject
I am making a wikiproject. I think you will be interested. User:Jourdy288/Wikiproject Aquatic Inverts Jourdy288 (talk) 01:19, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

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List of English words of Hungarian origin

This is a partial list of known or supposed Hungarian loanwords in English:

 * biro : From László Bíró, the Hungarian inventor of the ballpoint pen. Bíró originally means judge.
 * coach : From kocsi, a horse‐drawn wagon with springs above the axles. Named after the village of Kocs in which this type of vehicle was invented. The verb 'to coach' is also derived from this root.
 * czardas : From csárdás, a Hungarian folk dance. Csárda also means 'tavern'.
 * Dobos torte or Dobosh : From Dobos torta, "Dobos cake". After confectioner József C. Dobos. Dobos originally means drummer.
 * fogas: an Eastern European species of fish (Sander lucioperca), cf. zander.
 * forint: the currency of Hungary since 1946 (also between 1325-1553 and 1750–1892). Originally derived from Italian "fiorino," name of the Florentine currency. Cognate with English "florin" (see also pengő).
 * friska: From friss, a fast section of music, often associated with czardas dances (cf. lassan). But the Hungarian friss comes from the German frisch, in general with the same meaning (fresh).
 * goulash : From gulyás, a type of stew known in Hungarian as gulyás. In Hungary, 'gulyásleves' is a soup dish; leves meaning soup. Gulyás also means 'herdsman' dealing with cattle, as the noun gulya is the Hungarian word for cattle herd. (This can cause confusion with native Hungarian speakers, as Hungarians generally understand unqualified "gulyás" to mean "gulyásleves", the soup, instead of referring to the international goulash as "pörkölt".)
 * hajduk: From hajdúk, "bandits" (plural of hajdú). Outlaw, guerilla fighter. The original Hungarian meaning was "cattle drover".
 * halászlé: or Fisherman's Soup, a very hot and spicy river fish soup with a lot of paprika. (The actual Hungarian halászlé is not always made with hot paprika, unlike the internationally known soup.)
 * hussar : From Hungarian huszár, a light cavalry soldier. The Hungarian word originally meant "freebooter" and was further derived via Old Serbian husar, gusar, gursar ("pirate") from Italian corsaro ("pirate"), i.e. the same root as that of English corsair.
 * Itsy-bitsy : is sometimes linked to Hungarian ici-pici ("tiny") by popular sources, but is regarded as an unrelated English formation by English dictionaries.
 * komondor : A big Hungarian breed of livestock guardian dog, looking like a big mop, always white.
 * kuvasz : A big Hungarian breed of shepherd dog, always white.
 * lassan: From lassú, "slowly". a slow section of music, often associated with czardas dances (cf. friska).
 * paprika : a spice produced from the ground, dried fruits of Capsicum annuum, a red pepper. Paprika in English refers to a powdered spice made of dried Capsicum of several sorts, though in Hungary it is the name of the fruit as well.
 * pengő: the currency of Hungary between 1925 and 1946 (cf. forint).
 * puli : A small Hungarian breed of shepherd dog, also looking like a mop, usually black or white.
 * pusta or puszta: From puszta, a kind of Hungarian steppe.
 * rezbanyite: a mineral (consisting of lead, copper, and bismuth sulfide), named after Rézbánya ("copper mine")
 * sabre (UK) or saber (US): From French (sabre, sable), ultimately from an unknown source in a language of Eastern origin, possibly through Hungarian szablya.
 * shako or tsako : From csákó süveg, 'peaked cap', a stiff military hat with a high crown and plume.
 * tokaji or tokay: From tokaji aszú, the name of the wine from Tokaj, the centre of the local wine-growing district Tokaj-Hegyalja.
 * vashegyite: a mineral (hydrated basic aluminum phosphate), named after Vashegy ("iron mountain"), the old Hungarian name for the village of Železník, Slovakia where it was discovered.
 * verbunkos : a Hungarian men's folk dance and musical style (itself coming from German Werbung - meaning "military recruitment" here).
 * vizsla or vizla: From vizsla, a Hungarian breed of hunting dog.

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Faro (mythology)

In Mande mythology, Faro purified the earth by sacrificing himself to atone for his twin Pemba's sin.

In the ancient myth, two forces, Dya and Gla, gave rise to Faro and Pemba, embodiments of the sky and earth, respectively. Faro, a symbol of femininity and creation, was accompanied by her male counterpart, Koni, who derived his existence from her.

A pivotal event occurred when Faro's pond overflowed, causing a devastating flood. Seeking refuge, Faro, her followers, and animals boarded an ark, enduring seven days of tumultuous weather until the storm subsided. Emerging from the ark, Faro and a blacksmith companion initiated the founding of a village.

Under Faro's guidance, the village flourished with the cultivation of crops from seeds she provided. She also bestowed life upon animals and orchestrated the rhythms of day and night, as well as the changing seasons. Faro's crowning achievement was the creation of the Niger River, ensuring sustenance and vitality for all life.

Thus, through Faro's nurturing and leadership, the village thrived, symbolizing the enduring power of creation and harmony.

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Viktoria Tolstoy

Louise Viktoria Tolstoy (born 29 July 1974) is a Swedish jazz singer of Russian ancestry. She is the great-great-granddaughter of Russian writer Leo Tolstoy. Tolstoy was a regular studio guest in season one of the television series Big Brother in 2000.

She was married to designer Per Holknekt from 2001 until they divorced in March 2008.

As leader

 * Smile, Love and Spice (Sittel, 1994)
 * Viktoria Tolstoy (EMI, 1996)
 * För Älskad (EMI, 1996)
 * White Russian (Blue Note, 1997)
 * Blame It On My Youth (EMI, 2001)
 * Shining On You (ACT, 2004)
 * My Swedish Heart (ACT, 2005)
 * Pictures of Me (ACT, 2006)
 * My Russian Soul (ACT, 2008)
 * Letters to Herbie (ACT, 2011)
 * A Moment of Now (ACT, 2013)
 * Meet Me at the Movies (ACT, 2017)
 * Stations (ACT, 2020)

As guest
With Nils Landgren
 * 2002 – Sentimental Journey
 * 2004 – Funky ABBA

With others
 * 1998 − Här kommer natten, Svante Thuresson
 * 2007 – Christmas with My Friends (ACT)
 * 2012 – Super Music, UMO Jazz Orchestra (Blue Note)
 * 2016 – Green Man, Beat Funktion
 * 2016 – Jazz at Berlin Philharmonic V (ACT)

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Henri Berger

Henry or Henri Berger (August 4, 1844 – October 14, 1929) was a Prussian Kapellmeister, composer and royal bandmaster of the Kingdom of Hawaii from 1872 to 1915.

Biography
Berger was born Heinrich August Wilhelm Berger in Berlin, and became a member of Germany's imperial army band. He worked under the composer and royal bandmaster of Germany, Johann Strauss, Jr. Originally, Kaiser Wilhelm I of Germany loaned Berger from his Potsdam station to King Kamehameha V to conduct the king's band. He arrived in Honolulu in June 1872, fresh from service in the Franco-Prussian War. In 1877, King Kalākaua appointed Berger to full leadership of the Royal Hawaiian Band. In 1879, he became a naturalized citizen of the Kingdom of Hawaii.

Berger befriended the future Queen Liliʻuokalani, a composer in her own right. Berger arranged the songs she wrote, performed by the brass band. On August 4, 1881, while traveling the world, King Kalākaua reported in a letter from Berlin to Regent Liliʻuokalani, that he had met the mother and sister of Berger and announced the sending of a program whose pieces Berger was to play with the Royal Hawaiian Band upon his return. The queen named Berger the "Father of Hawaiian Music". From 1893 to 1903, the bandmaster worked with the Kamehameha Schools to develop its music program. He also built what is today the Honolulu Symphony.

He led the government band at thousands of public events. Among these were "steamer day," when a ship left the Honolulu docks. The band serenaded the departees with "Auld Lang Syne," or "The Girl I Left Behind Me."

Later in his tenure as royal bandmaster, Berger took it upon himself to record traditional Hawaiian hymns, chants and other Hawaiian music in print to ensure their survival, a task never done before. Berger at the same time composed the classics: "The Hula March", "Hilo March", "Kohala March", “Huki March”, “Ka Mo’i March” and "Sweet Lei Lehua." His arrangement of "Hawaii Ponoī", with text by Kalākaua in honor of Kamehameha became the national anthem. Today, the song serves as the state anthem.

Berger combined German, Austrian and Hawaiian traditions in his unique compositions and performed with the Royal Hawaiian Band thousands of times, making Hawaiian music known and popular in many countries. Berger started the RHB 'Aloha" welcome and farewell greetings at the harbors.

He died in Honolulu. His resting-place is the Kawaiahaʻo Church Cemetery.

Robert Louis Stevenson mentioned Berger in his novel The Bottle Imp.

Berger's legacy continues today, celebrated worldwide especially in Hawaii and Germany, as the father of the Royal Hawaiian Band, the oldest municipal band in the United States.

Literature

 * Patrick D. Hennessey: Henry Berger: From Prussian Army Musician to "Father of Hawaiian Music". The Life and Legacy of Hawai'i's Bandmaster, Tutzing: Schneider, 2013, ISBN 978-3-86296-056-9

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Mark Thompson (media executive)

Sir Mark John Thompson (born 31 July 1957 ) is a British and American media executive who is Chairman of the Board of Directors of Ancestry, the largest for-profit genealogy company in the world, and Chief Executive Officer of the Cable News Network (CNN). He is the former president and chief executive officer of The New York Times Company. From 2004 to 2012, he was Director-General of the BBC, and before that was the Chief Executive of Channel 4. In 2009 Thompson was ranked as the 65th most powerful person in the world by Forbes magazine. He was elected to the American Philosophical Society in 2017.

Early life
Thompson was born in London, England, and brought up in Welwyn Garden City, Hertfordshire, by his parents, Sydney ( Corduff) and Duncan John Thompson. Sydney was Irish, the daughter of a County Donegal policeman Garda Siochana. Mark Thompson has a sister, Katherine. Duncan Thompson was an accountant from Preston who died when Mark was twelve after suffering from chronic illness and depression.

Mark Thompson was educated by Jesuits at Stonyhurst College in Lancashire, and then went to Merton College, Oxford where he took a first in English. He edited the university magazine, Isis.

Early career
Thompson first joined the BBC as a production trainee in 1979. His career at the corporation included a number of roles.

In 1981, he assisted in the launch of the long-running consumer programme Watchdog. Two years later he was part of the team that created British television's first national breakfast television programme, Breakfast Time. In 1985, Thompson became the Output Editor of Newsnight and in 1988, at the age of 30, he was promoted to Editor of the Nine O'Clock News.

In 1990, he became Editor of Panorama. He was made Head of Features in 1992 and Head of Factual Programmes in 1994.

In 1996, Thompson succeeded Michael Jackson as Controller of BBC2. He commissioned series including The Cops, The Royle Family, Our Mutual Friend and The Fast Show. He left BBC Two in 1999 and was replaced by Jane Root, who became the channel's first female Controller.

In 1999 Thompson was named Director, National and Regional Broadcasting at the BBC. He became the BBC Director of Television in 2000, but left the corporation in March 2002 to become Chief Executive of Channel 4. He succeeded Michael Jackson in the role, and left in 2004 to be succeeded by Andy Duncan.

Appointment
Thompson was appointed Director-General of the BBC on 21 May 2004. He succeeded Greg Dyke, who resigned on 29 January 2004 in the aftermath of the Hutton Inquiry. Although he had originally stated he was not interested in the role of Director-General and would turn down any approach from the BBC, he changed his mind, saying the job was a "one-of-a-kind opportunity". The decision to appoint Thompson Director-General was made unanimously by the BBC Board of Governors, headed by the then new Chairman Michael Grade (another former chief executive of Channel 4). His appointment was widely praised: Culture Secretary Tessa Jowell, Shadow Culture Secretary Julie Kirkbride and Greg Dyke were amongst those who supported his selection. He took up the role of Director-General on 22 June 2004 (Mark Byford had been Acting Director-General since Dyke's resignation). On his first day he announced several management changes, including the replacement of the BBC's sixteen-person executive committee with a slimmed-down executive board of nine top managers.

Editorial guideline breaches
In 2007 it emerged that the BBC had been involved in a number of editorial guideline breaches: competitions on BBC shows had used fake winners who were either members of the production team or fictitious. In addition, a sequence of clips featuring the Queen and photographer Annie Leibovitz were shown out of order in a trailer for a documentary, giving the impression the Queen stormed off in a huff about her outfit after a conversation with Leibovitz.

Thompson, as BBC editor-in-chief, investigated the breaches, and presented his interim report to the BBC Trust on 18 July 2007. The Trust felt that the BBC's values of accuracy and honesty had been compromised, and Thompson outlined to the Trust the actions he would take to restore confidence.

Later that day he told BBC staff, via an internal televised message, that deception of the public was never acceptable. He said that he, himself, had never deceived the public – it would never have occurred to him to do so, and that he was sure that the same applied to the "overwhelming majority" of BBC staff. He also spoke on BBC News 24 and was interviewed by Gavin Esler for Newsnight. He stated that "from now on, if it [deceiving the public] happens we will show people the door." Staff were emailed on 19 July 2007 and later in the year all staff, including the Director-General, undertook a Safeguarding Trust course.

The Russell Brand Show prank telephone calls row
In October 2008, Thompson had to cut short a family holiday to return to Britain to deal with the arrival of The Russell Brand Show prank telephone calls row. Thompson took the executive decision to suspend the BBC's highest paid presenter, Jonathan Ross, from all his BBC work for three months without pay. He also said it was the controversial star's last warning. Thompson reiterated the BBC's commitment to Ross' style of "edgy comedy", arguing that "BBC audiences accept that, in comedy, performers attempt to push the line of taste". Thompson had previously defended the star's conduct and salary in 2006, when he described Ross as "outstanding" and said that "the very best people" deserved appropriately high salaries.

Comments on political bias
In September 2010, Thompson acknowledged some of the BBC's previous political bias, which he said he had witnessed early in his career. He stated: "In the BBC I joined 30 years ago there was, in much of current affairs, in terms of people's personal politics, which were quite vocal, a massive bias to the left". He added: "the organisation did struggle then with impartiality".

Jerry Springer: The Opera blasphemy allegations
Thompson was criticised by religious groups in relation to the broadcast of Jerry Springer: The Opera, with a private prosecution brought against the BBC for blasphemy. Lord Pannick QC appeared and won the case. The High Court ruled that the cult musical was not blasphemous, and Pannick stated that Judge Tubbs had "acted within her powers and made the only decision she could lawfully have made; while religious beliefs were integral to British society, so is freedom of expression, especially to matters of social and moral importance."

Accusations of pro-Israeli editorial stance
A number of commentators have suggested that Thompson has a pro-Israeli editorial stance, particularly since he supported the controversial decision by the BBC not to broadcast the DEC Gaza appeal in January 2009. Complaints to the BBC about the decision, numbering nearly 16,000, were directed to a statement by Thompson. In May 2011, Thompson ordered the lyrics 'free Palestine' in a rap on BBC Radio 1Xtra to be censored. During a meeting of the British Parliament's Culture and Media Committee in June 2012, Thompson also issued an apology for not devoting more coverage to the murders of an Israeli settler family in the West Bank, saying the "network got it wrong" – despite the fact that the incident occurred on the same day as the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami.

Tam Dean Burn wrote in The Herald: "I would argue that this bias has moved on apace since Thompson went to Israel in 2005 and signed a deal with prime minister Ariel Sharon on the BBC's coverage of the conflict."

Nick Griffin Question Time appearance
In October 2009, Thompson defended the decision by the BBC to invite British National Party leader Nick Griffin to appear on the Question Time programme following criticism by Labour politicians including Home Secretary Alan Johnson and Secretary of State for Wales Peter Hain. The decision also led to protests outside BBC Television Centre by UAF campaigners. Thompson said:

"It is a straightforward matter of fact that... the BNP has demonstrated a level of support which would normally lead to an occasional invitation to join the panel on Question Time. It is for that reason alone... that the invitation has been extended. The case against inviting the BNP to appear on Question Time is a case for censorship... Democratic societies sometimes do decide that some parties and organisations are beyond the pale. As a result, they proscribe them and/or ban them from the airwaves. My point is simply that the drastic steps of proscription and censorship can only be taken by government and parliament... It is unreasonable and inconsistent to take the position that a party like the BNP is acceptable enough for the public to vote for, but not acceptable enough to appear on democratic platforms like Question Time. If there is a case for censorship, it should be debated and decided in parliament. Political censorship cannot be outsourced to the BBC or anyone else."

Earning controversy
In 2010, Thompson was identified as the highest paid employee of any public sector organisation in the UK, earning between £800,000 and £900,000 per year. In January 2010, Thompson was criticised over his apparent £834,000 salary by BBC presenter Stephen Sackur, who told him "there are huge numbers of people in the organisation who think your salary is plain wrong and corrosive."

Formula One broadcast rights
Thompson was Director-General of the BBC when on 29 July 2011 it was announced that the corporation would no longer televise all Formula One Grand Prix live, instead agreeing to split the broadcast between the BBC and Sky Sports. This prompted an outcry from several thousand fans and a motion on the UK Government e-petition site. On 2 September 2011, Thompson and several "senior BBC figures" were called upon by the House of Commons to answer questions over the exact nature of the broadcast arrangement.

Jimmy Savile controversy
Although Thompson departed the BBC before public exposure of the Jimmy Savile sexual abuse scandal and is not noted in the BBC chronology of the unfolding coverage, Thompson faced questions about his role in the events around Savile's actions and BBC coverage of them. According to a New York Times review, Thompson denied knowing of a BBC Newsnight programme on accusations against Savile before it was dropped soon after Savile's death in October 2011.

Praise and criticism of his BBC leadership
Thompson left the BBC in September 2012 after eight years as Director-General. The Independent said the BBC was in "apparent great shape" with his departure and the BBC Trust's chairman, Chris Patten, described his directorship as "outstanding".

In late 2007, Richard Eyre, former artistic director of the National Theatre, accused the BBC under Thompson's leadership of failing to produce programmes "that inspired viewers to visit galleries, museums or theatres". Tony Palmer, a multi-award-winning filmmaker, stated that the BBC "has a worldwide reputation which it has abrogated and that's shameful". He concluded, "In the end, the buck stops with Mark Thompson. He is a catastrophe." In May 2008, fertility expert and BBC presenter Robert Winston accused Thompson's leadership of showing "cowardice", and following Thompson's departure he accused the corporation of "dumbing down" its science programming and "pursuing viewing figures" rather than producing quality programmes.

President and CEO of The New York Times Company
On 14 August 2012, Thompson was named CEO of The New York Times Company, effective 12 November 2012. He was brought on to accelerate the company's digital transition and extend its global reach, and in this role he directs strategy and oversees business operations. Thompson invested heavily in the Times' digital products, and has attributed increased autonomy for the digital product teams as "the single biggest reason" for the news outlet's success.

In 2013, he hired Meredith Kopit Levien as chief revenue officer and promoted her to chief operating officer in 2017. Thompson has been critical of Google and Facebook. He has said the Times seeks to be a destination and not reliant on the platforms, and hopes to "more reliably turn engagement into a regular revenue stream". In 2018, he gave a speech at the Open Markets Institute in Washington, D.C., in which he described Facebook's policy of labeling political news as ads as "a threat to democracy". According to a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, Thompson's total compensation in 2019 was $6.1 million, including salary and stock awards.

In 2015, he pledged to transform the Times into an "international institution", the same way "we once successfully turned a metro paper into a national one". The Times now has more international digital subscribers than it had total digital subscribers when Thompson took over as CEO. Under Thompson's leadership, The New York Times became the first news organization in the world to pass the one million digital-only subscription mark. As of May 2020, the company surpassed 5 million digital-only subscriptions, and 6 million total subscriptions, accounting for nearly sixty per cent of the company's revenue. In 2015, Thompson set the goal of doubling the company's digital revenue by 2020. The goal was met ahead of schedule in 2019. The company's new goal is to have 10 million subscriptions by 2025. He has also predicted that the print paper will last for at least 15 more years.

In July 2020, he was replaced by Meredith Kopit Levien as CEO and president of the New York Times Company.

CEO of CNN
On 30 August 2023, Thompson was named the CEO of CNN, replacing Chris Licht, who was fired in June. He officially started on 9 October 2023. Writing of the appointment in a note to staff, Warner Bros. Discovery CEO David Zaslav shared, "I am confident he is exactly the leader we need to take the helm of CNN at this pivotal time."

Criticism of coverage of the Israel-Hamas War
In a 4 February 2024 investigation by The Guardian, some CNN staff blamed their channel's newly appointed director Mark Thompson for what they described as biased reporting of the Israel–Hamas war. The staff criticized their network's coverage of the war, charging that it had promoted Israeli propaganda, and gave more attention to Israeli suffering, and the Israeli narrative of the war. One staffer claimed that this bias was systematic and institutionalized, as many journalists' stories were forced to be cleared by channel's Jerusalem bureau before publication. Staffers claimed that statements by Hamas and the Palestinian Authority were rarely reported on, while Israeli statements were taken at face value. A CNN spokesperson denied the charges of bias.

Chairman of Ancestry
In January 2021, Thompson was appointed as Chairman of the Board of Directors of Ancestry.

Enough Said
In 2016, Thompson published Enough Said: What's Gone Wrong with the Language of Politics? in which he condemns political discourse that is "just a fight to the political death, a fight in which every linguistic weapon is fair game" and is critical of the rejection of science and expertise, writing that this has disastrous policymaking consequences. Thompson also criticised false balance in news reporting. The book was favorably reviewed by Andrew Rawnsley, who called it an "important study" that "identifies many culprits for the destructiveness of political debate." John Lloyd, writing in the Financial Times, praised the work as reflective and an "intricately but also urgently argued book." The Washington Post said the book shows that Thompson "believes devoutly in the importance ... of intelligent and productive public discussion".

Personal life
Thompson is a Roman Catholic, and was educated at the English Jesuit public school, Stonyhurst College, from 1970 to 1975. In 2010, The Tablet named him as one of Britain's most influential Roman Catholics. Thompson lives in the United States with his wife, Jane Blumberg (daughter of Baruch Samuel Blumberg) whom he married in 1987. They have two sons and one daughter.

He is a member of the Reform Club and a patron of the Art Room charity in Oxford. In 2002, he joined the board of trustees of Media Trust, the UK's leading communications charity.

Thompson has been on the board of directors for The New York Times Company and the Royal Shakespeare Company.

In September 2021, it was announced that Thompson would co-chair, with Filipino journalist and editor Maria Ressa, the International Fund for Public Interest Media.

In 2011, Thompson was awarded an Honorary Doctorate by Edge Hill University, and 2015, he was awarded a Honorary Doctor of Letters from Sacred Heart University.

In 2012, Thompson was the first Humanitas Visiting Professor in Rhetoric and the Art of Public Persuasion at the University of Oxford.

Thompson was knighted in the 2023 Birthday Honours for services to media.

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Ai (Canaan)

The Ai (הָעַי; Douay–Rheims: Hai) was a city in Canaan, mentioned in the Hebrew Bible. According to the Book of Joshua, it was conquered by the Israelites, headed by Joshua, during their conquest of Canaan.

The Ai's ruins are commonly thought to be in the modern-day archeological site of Et-Tell. Excavations revealed a large urban settlement dating back to around 3100 BCE, with cycles of destruction and rebuilding until roughly 2400 BCE. It remained uninhabited until a small village emerged in the Early Iron Age. In light of these findings, scholars interpret the biblical account of Ai's conquest as an etiological story explaining the origin of the place name.

Biblical narrative
According to Genesis, Abraham built an altar between Bethel and Ai.

In the Book of Joshua, chapters 7 and 8, the Israelites attempt to conquer Ai on two occasions. The first, in Joshua 7, fails. The biblical account portrays the failure as being due to a prior sin of Achan, for which he is stoned to death by the Israelites. On the second attempt, in Joshua 8, Joshua, who is identified by the narrative as the leader of the Israelites, receives instruction from God. God tells them to set up an ambush and Joshua does what God says. An ambush is arranged at the rear of the city on the western side. Joshua is with a group of soldiers that approach the city from the front so the men of Ai, thinking they will have another easy victory, chase Joshua and the fighting men from the entrance of the city to lead the men of Ai away from the city. Then the fighting men to the rear enter the city and set it on fire. When the city is captured, 12,000 men and women are killed, and it is razed to the ground. The king is captured and hanged on a tree until the evening. His body is then placed at the city gates and stones are placed on top of his body. The Israelites then burn Ai completely and "made it a permanent heap of ruins." God told them they could take the livestock as plunder and they did so.

In a study from 2017, Shai Elam compared the Battle of Cannae to the Battle of Ai (which preceded it by about 1,000 years) according to the Malbim's interpretation of the book of Joshua, which proves that in the Battle of Ai Joshua also surrounded the enemy's army with a perfect ring (which explains the role of the two ambushers and their position during the battle), in a performance that does not fall short of Hannibal's tactics.

Et-Tell
Edward Robinson (1794–1863), who identified many biblical sites in the Levant on the basis of local place names and basic topography, suggested that Et-Tell or Khirbet Haijah were likely on philological grounds; he preferred the former as there were visible ruins at that site. A further point in its favour is the fact that the Hebrew name Ai means more or less the same as the modern Arabic name et-Tell.

Up through the 1920s a "positivist" reading of the archeology to date was prevalent—a belief that archeology would prove, and was proving, the historicity of the Exodus and Conquest narratives that dated the Exodus in 1440 BC and Joshua's conquest of Canaan around 1400 BC. And accordingly, on the basis of excavations in the 1920s the American scholar William Foxwell Albright believed that Et-Tell was Ai.

However, excavations at Et-Tell in the 1930s, undertaken by Judith Marquet-Krause, found that there was a fortified city there during the Early Bronze Age, between 3100 and 2400 BCE, after which it was destroyed and abandoned. The excavations found no evidence of settlement in the Middle or Late Bronze Ages. These findings, along with excavations at Bethel, posed problems for the dating that Albright and others had proposed, and some scholars including Martin Noth began proposing that the Conquest had never happened but instead was an etiological myth; the name meant "the ruin" and the Conquest story simply explained the already-ancient destruction of the Early Bronze city. Archeologists also found that the later Iron Age I village appeared with no evidence of initial conquest, and the Iron I settlers seem to have peacefully built their village on the forsaken mound, without meeting resistance.

Five main hypotheses exist about how to explain the biblical story surrounding Ai in light of archaeological evidence. The first is that the story was created later on: Israelites related it to Joshua because of the fame of his great conquest. The second is that people of Bethel inhabited Ai during the time of the biblical story and they were the ones who were invaded. In a third, Albright combined these two theories to present a hypothesis that the story of the Conquest of Bethel, which was only a mile and a half away from Ai, was later transferred to Ai in order to explain the city and why it was in ruins. Support for this position can be found in the Bible, the assumption being that the Bible does not mention the actual capture of Bethel, but might speak of it in memory in Judges 1:22–26. Fourth, Callaway has proposed that the city somehow angered the Egyptians (perhaps by rebelling, and attempting to gain independence), and so they destroyed it as punishment. The fifth is that Joshua's Ai is not to be found at et-Tell, but a different location entirely.

Koert van Bekkum writes that "Et-Tell, identified by most scholars with the city of Ai, was not settled between the Early Bronze and Iron Age I.

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John Carter

John Carter may refer to:

Business

 * John Carter (businessman) (born 1961/62), British businessman, CEO of Travis Perkins
 * John Carter (insurance executive) (born 1937), chairman of Commercial Union (1994–1998)
 * John W. Carter (died 1895), partner in Carter's Ink Company in Massachusetts

Arts and entertainment

 * John Carter (actor) (1927–2015), American actor and director
 * Carter (artist), (born 1970), John Carter, American artist and film director
 * John Carter (writer) (1905–1975), English author, book collector and bookseller
 * John Carter (film editor) (1922–2018), American film editor
 * John Carter (mouth artist) (1815–1850), disabled English artist
 * John Carter (sound engineer) (1907–1982), American film audio engineer
 * John Charles Carter, birth name of actor Charlton Heston

Media

 * John Carter (film), a 2012 film about the Burroughs character on Mars
 * Princess of Mars, a 2009 direct-to-DVD film retitled in 2012 to John Carter of Mars
 * John Carter, Warlord of Mars, a Marvel Comics series created in 1977
 * John Carter, Warlord of Mars (role-playing game), 1978
 * John Carter: Warlord of Mars, board game

Music

 * John Carter (1832-1916), English organist and composer, brother of William Carter
 * John Carter (jazz musician) (1929–1991), American jazz musician
 * John Carter (English musician) (born 1942), English singer-songwriter
 * John S. Carter (1945–2011), American music executive, producer, and songwriter, often known simply as Carter
 * Johnny Carter (singer) (1934–2009), American singer and member of the Dells and the Flamingos

Fictional characters

 * John Carter of Mars, a character from the classic science fiction series of novels by Edgar Rice Burroughs
 * John Carter (ER), a character from the television series ER played by Noah Wyle
 * John Carter (Little House)
 * Johnny Carter (EastEnders), a character from the television series EastEnders

Military

 * John Carter (Royal Navy officer) (1785–1863), Irish born Royal Navy officer during the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars

 * John C. Carter (U.S. naval officer) (1805–1870), U.S. Naval officer including during the American Civil War
 * John C. Carter (1837–1864), Confederate general in the American Civil War
 * John J. Carter (1842–1917), Irish officer who fought in the American Civil War

United States

 * Jack Carter (politician) (John William Carter, born 1947), U.S. Senate candidate from Nevada, son of President Jimmy Carter
 * John Carter (South Carolina politician) (1792–1850), U.S. Representative from South Carolina
 * John Carter (Texas politician) (born 1941), U.S. Representative from Texas
 * John A. Carter (Virginia politician) (1808–1895), delegate to Virginia Constitutional Convention of 1850
 * John R. Carter (diplomat) (1864–1944), U.S. diplomat and banker
 * John Prentiss Carter (1840–1925), lieutenant governor of Mississippi
 * John Carter Sr. (1613–1670), English merchant and politician in Virginia, founder of the Carter Family of Virginia
 * John Carter Jr. (burgess) (died 1690), son of John Carter, Sr. and member of the Virginia House of Burgesses
 * John Carter (1696-1742), colonial secretary for two decades as well as lawyer, planter at Shirley Plantation and politician; nephew of John Carter Jr and son of "King Carter"
 * John Carter, U.S. Air Force veteran and candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives in North Carolina in 2010

United Kingdom

 * John Carter (died 1408), MP for Scarborough
 * John Carter (died 1432), MP for Scarborough
 * John Carter (Roundhead) (died 1676), English Parliamentary soldier and politician
 * John Carter (Mayor of Portsmouth) (1741–1808), English merchant and mayor
 * John Carter (architect), antiquarian and draughtsman

Other countries

 * John Chilton Lambton Carter (1816–1872), New Zealand politician
 * John Carter (Australian politician) (1893–1971), Australian politician
 * John Carter (New Zealand politician) (born 1950), New Zealand politician and mayor of the Far North District
 * John A. Carter (Newfoundland politician) (1933–2017), politician and farmer in Newfoundland, Canada
 * John Carter (ambassador) (1919–2005), Guyanese politician, lawyer and diplomat

Religion

 * John S. Carter (Latter Day Saints) (1792–1834), early American leader in the Latter Day Saint movement
 * John Carter (Christadelphian) (1899–1962), editor of The Christadelphian from 1937 to 1962
 * John Carter (evangelist), Seventh-day Adventist evangelist
 * John Carter (priest), English Anglican priest

Sports

 * John Carter (cricketer, born 1935), former English cricketer
 * John Carter (cricketer, born 1963), former English cricketer
 * John Carter (ice hockey) (born 1963), professional ice hockey player
 * Johnny Carter (footballer) (1894–1960), Australian footballer

Other

 * John Carter (architect) (1748–1817), English draughtsman and architect
 * John Coates Carter (1859–1927), English architect
 * John Carter (smuggler) (1770–1807), "King of Prussia", smuggler operating out of Prussia Cove, Cornwall
 * Lynching of John Carter (died 1927), African-American man murdered by a white mob
 * John Carter (police officer) (1882–1944), Assistant Commissioner of the London Metropolitan Police, 1938–1940
 * John Franklin Carter (1897–1967), American journalist
 * John Cain Carter (born 1966), American rancher and environmentalist
 * John Carter (endocrinologist) (born 1944), Australian medical academic and endocrinologist
 * John Carter (printer), American printer and newspaper publisher
 * John Mack Carter, American publishing industry figure
 * John Corrie Carter, English barrister, High Sheriff, author and sportsman
 * John Carter (1942–2000), founder of Carters Steam Fair

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