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Talk:Identity Cards Act 2006

Privacy Concerns
I have added information to this section for several reasons. It seems to me that in a society where things are fairly automatic, for example, someone asking for your phone number or address that people will go along with the situation they are in. There is a need to spell out to people the consequences of certain laws, in order to get them to think about what they mean, so that they won't just automatically accept things.

In particular, I have added the fact that the government currently does not have the right to this information. There is no law which says that you must give them your biometric information. I have used finger prints as an example of involuntary biometric data. As well, I have mentioned that in the future, if governments gain this data, they will be able to ask for other types of data in the future.

I have mentioned the fact as of today, if the government demanded this information from you, you would not have to give it.

I did not add that you could legally resist, and sue them.

A fundamental defintion of a right, is something which cannot be taken away from you. If you are a law abiding citizen, the government cannot take your finger prints. Rights can, however, be given up by people. A person can voluntarily give this information. Some people believe that rights should be approached in an adversial way. In other words, these are my rights, and I will fight for every one which they try to take away.

In terms of neutrality in this article, I feel that it can be best achieved by rights advocates stating their views openly, and government advocates doing the same. Since privacy rights in this case are an individual concern, I feel that the pronoun "you" is needed to convey the fact that you are an individual, while the government is not. Depersonalising the language would have the effect of taking away the argument for privacy, because this is a thing which effects people, and not objects.

A privacy concern is just that, something which people are concerned about, which indicates an emotional reponse and logical response.

HowFreeHmm 18:12, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

I think several parts of the page show significant bias. This part struck me the most (found under 'Privacy Concerns'): "(for which ethnic minorites will need to be frequently asked to produce their ID)". I think that fragment is quite provocative. I really think this should be either deleted or dramatically changed. Anyone agree?

Moved a bit of text here to help with a NPOV problem. The original text (listed under "Voluntary vs Compulsory") is as follows:

 * In reality the "voluntary" period will be nothing of the sort. It will be mandatory during this period to have an ID Card in order to renew a driving licence or passport — thus an estimated 80% of the UK population will be forced to have an ID Card during the "voluntary" scheme.

 * The Commons' Home Affairs Committee said:
 * To describe the first phase of the Government's proposals as 'voluntary' stretches the English language to breaking point.

This is really pushing NPOV. BenSamples 06:39, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

How about...

 * It will be mandatory during this period to register for the National Identity Database in order to renew a driving licence or passport — thus an estimated 80% of the UK population are expected to have registered during the life of the voluntary scheme.

Bonalaw 09:37, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

2nd para must be wrong... compulsory in 2003 --bodnotbod 20:33, May 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * This appears to have been fixed — OwenBlacker 12:33, Jun 26, 2004 (UTC)

This article could definitely so with some less anti-ID card See also links. My comment about checking the NPOV of my edits, by the way, is because I must declare an interest, as a campaigner against the current ID card proposals of the British government. — OwenBlacker 13:00, Jun 26, 2004 (UTC)

Charles Clarke is set to announce tomorrow (Mon 20 December) that he will be fast-tracking the scheme to make ID cards compulsory within four years(!). Will wait to see what he actually says in the Commons, then amend accordingly. --TylerD 23:31, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Is there a source for individuals having no right to access or correct their NIR entries btw? Thanks. --TylerD 23:31, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I believe this is wrong; however appears that the audit trail (of all uses of the card) will not be accessible. See http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardianpolitics/story/0,3605,1175638,00.html Also: I think it is worth mentioning the justification of ID cards on the basis that the biometric identification used will be required by other countries (in passports). I read this on www.theregister.co.uk (warning: bias).

I have edited this section, removing the use of "you" to "citizens" and "persons", hopefully making the text less emotive and more NPOV. 12:19, 9 January 2006 (UTC

Voluntary or Compulsary
Too many people speak of ID cards being "voluntary" or "compulsary" without explaining what exactly they mean. For example if an ID card is required in order to get a job, driving licence (Come to think of it would there be much point in retaining seperate driving licence documentation at all ?), social security benefits or a bank account then it wouldnt fit within most peoples understanding of "voluntary" ("Its not compulsary but you have to own one") on the other hand when one speaks of a card being "compulsary" do they mean that one is required to have the thing with them at all times or will it be sufficent to have one but keep it at home somewhere (along the same lines as vehicle insurance documentation) and just bring it with them on occasions when one is likely to be dealing with officialdom ? Similarly there is a lot of confusion over what information will be "on" the card when it actually makes sense (from an administrative point of view) to have very little information (perhaps just a photo and a reference number/barcode) physically "on" the card when having it cross referenced on a networked database makes it easier to update and add to (concerns about access to said database and "functionality creep" notwithstanding. 213.40.98.117 (talk) 09:33, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Royal Family
Will the Queen and other members of the Royal family have to get them too? How will their names be listed? HRH Prince William of Wales or William Arthur Philip Louis Mountbatten-Windsor?

"In reality the "voluntary" period will be nothing of the sort. It will be mandatory during this period to have an ID Card in order to renew a driving licence or passport — thus an estimated 80% of the UK population will be forced to have an ID Card during the "voluntary" scheme. "

The above is clearly wrong. The card is NOT compulsory. One might as well say a driving or TV licence is compulsory. It is not, as it is not compulsory to drive or own a TV.

Will remove if no objection.

Exile 19:19, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The ID Card scheme will be backed up by a centralised computer database, the National Identity Register (NIR). Many people argue that the NIR is more of a threat to privacy and civil liberties than the ID Cards themselves.

(well obviously. a card is no threat to privacy or civil liberties in itself)

The NIR will contain a huge amount of information on every British citizen, including current and all previous addresses. Failure to inform the Government of a change of address or other personal details will result in a fine of £1000, while the fine for refusing to register or failing to submit to scanning will be £2500. There will be an audit trail that records when and where the Card was used.

Perhaps most controversially of all individuals will have no right to see or correct information held about them on the NIR.

(some contradiction there. if you are not allowed to find out any data held on you, and have no right to correct it, how can you avoid the £1000 fine for having a wrong address? can someone check up on this?)

- actually from the comments at the top it probably is wrong - if we can get confirmation then the relevant para should be amended to something like

"not all the data will be available to the individual to see or correct" or "the audit trail...."

Exile 19:24, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

General comment - the article is extremely biased as it stands.

Exile 19:31, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

On the right to see your information - the statement is incorrect. Every individual has subject data access rights under the Data Protection Act. Thus, you will have a right to see your data and you will be able to correct it. I quickly looked at Hansard and Baroness Scotland confirmed this in the Lords. I will correct this too.

I have also made additions to the section on the National Identity Number. The Data Protection Act already contains protections regarding unique personal identifiers that would stop the kind of activity suggested in that piece. I think the use of the word "unlimited" is unfair in that context but I have left it there for others to decide. In addition, if you read the legislation, you will see that it specifically excludes the link of numbers that lead to sensitivie personal data under the DPA, which includes medicial, criminal records and information on politics, race or faiths.

I don't know for sure how the royal family's names will be recorded on ID cards, but one possible indication is that both William's St Andrew's University matriculation card and Harry's commission in the Blues and Royals carry the surname Wales. 82.138.204.165 11:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

My thoughts
I wrote this just over a week ago: Identifying the Problem -- Smjg 14:32, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

ID Theft Protection Already in Place.
I am already using my biometric and databases already in place to protect myself from ID theft.

I have no need to divulge 50 odd pieces of information, or spend in the region of £90 to achieve this.

My personal information and documents which could be used for ID theft have been rendered worthless.

MoneyBox (BBC Radio 4 ran with this)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/moneybox/3574779.stm

This system is driven by me, controlled by me and addresses all of the Information Commissioners concerns; in addition it costs the tax payer nothing yet could save a fortune.

With the above in situ, do I need and ID card and if so for what????

British citizens abroad
I've been trying, both for personal interest and to add to the article, to find our how the proposed legislation applies to (the millions of) British citizens who live abroad. Some sources speak of the NIR as containing data on "all British citizens" but the legislation itself seems to say that only "UK residents" will be included. There has been much discussion of the impact on foreigners resident in the UK, but little or none about Brits resident abroad. Will we be required to obtain an ID card when renewing our passports? If so, will we have to visit an embassy in person, or even return to the UK, to supply the required biometric data? Does anybody know anything about this? Cambyses 13:26, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry about may numerous comments - your article has at least got me researching on a wet boring evening. The legislation states that its only for UK residents so it would not seem to affect people resident abroad. This was confirmed in Hansard as well - it is stated that identity cards will not be issued abroad.

 * The Official Identity Card sites http://www.identitycards.gov.uk/ states: "Anyone over the age of 16 and legally resident in the United Kingdom for at least three months will be eligible to have an ID card.". And I have also read elsewhere that British citizens resident outside the UK will not be issued with identity cards.

 * UK citizens living outside the UK will thus continue to have to carry a large and inconvenient passport, unlike all other EU citizens who can cross borders with an Identity Card. (I am a British citizen who lives 3Km from the EU external border).
 * TiffaF 14:40, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

What about British citizens living in crown dependencies, colonies or other territories with some kind of dependence on Britain? (Stefan2 12:02, 20 October 2006 (UTC))

I have been issued with a Dutch residence permit which is also an ID card would that be valid in Britain in the future? ScotDutchy 12:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Other biometric information?
At what point are we going to find out what this will consist of? Obvious stuff like height and weight would seem too subject to change to be useful in the long term.... -- Smjg 16:50, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The problem is that there are a number of competing biometric standards to choose between. The new biomatric passports use facial recognition, biometric visas (to be introduced by EU countries shortly will use fingerprints and Iris scanning is being introduced at UK Ports of Entry. Basically they all have problems and benefits and until there is a common agreement on which one to use I suspect that the question is being deliberatley left unanswered --Spartaz 14:53, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Cost
"National opinion polls suggest that the public are generally supportive of the scheme in principle if the Cards are free". I'm assuming that "free" means that there is no charge for the card at point of issue. Whatever the overall cost, the tax-paying uk population will pay for the cards, whether they cost £30 or £500 each! I think the poll respondents were a little confused on the point of who pays for what...

 * They're £300, or so I've heard. Interesting waste of tax-payers money, no? - Jigsy 20:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Bias on this article
revert. User:86.129.77.56 has been systematically re-writing this article with a heavily pro-NIR POV.)

I have read this article with interest and tried to make some changes to represent a pro-ID card point of view, I agree. I have been a victim of identity fraud and a close friend was injured in the London bombs. We support ID cards

I must say that your article is terribly, terribly bias against the proposal so the comment on my additions above seems laughable. I am a supporter of ID card and I've followed the debate and research involved and added the pro arguments.

You lot seem to be anti-ID cards. That's fine. However, any attempt to represent the views of those who are in favour of the scheme is systematically deleted. Any figures provided by the Government are not provided and there are several errors in your article about the proposal and legislation passing through parliament. If it is an opinion piece, ok - but then let both opinions be heard.

 * Firstly, plenty of victims of identity fraud, those who have had friends injured in the London bombings or other acts of terrorism, or even those who have been victims themselves, oppose ID cards - not to mention that identity fraud in most cases has nothing to do with ID cards, as they would not prevent it, and that ID cards wouldn't have prevented the London bombings, so this is all irrelevant.

 * [Surely that is an opinion. The Fraud Prevention Service, CIFAS, support identity cards on their website - www.cifas.co.uk. Also, the police have said that it would still disrupt terrorist activity, which is a reasonable suggestion- although I would agree with your points that they state that it will not stop the london bombings - that has been clearly expressed]

 * I'm thinking of cases like credit and debit card fraud - my understanding is this is still counted under "Identify theft", though it's not clear how ID cards would help at all. Mdwh 00:01, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

 * It's true that the article was lacking claims from supporters, however I thought that your changes were very POV. In particular, (1) Writing "Opponents claim" everywhere, but not doing the same for the support POV, implying that was factual, (2) Use of "Biometric experts" only for the support POV, (3) Removal of information on polls which showed opposition to the scheme. I've tried to edit/improve rather than reverting. Mdwh 18:30, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Good work. --Bonalaw 18:44, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Also I left this bit: "Opponents say that a minister will able to impose compulsion using delegated legislation. However the secondary legislation proposed would mean that both the House of Commons and House of Lords would need to vote on the issue."

 * If the second case is the factually accurate one, is there some evidence here? Or does anyone have evidence to support the views of the opponents? Mdwh 18:32, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Interesting debate here now, nice it is getting a bit more balanced....With changes in the House of Commons on Monday, a new Act of Parliament is needed to introduce a completely compulsory identity card. For the linking of passports with the identity card, there still needs to be a vote in both Houses of Parliament. It's called the affirmative procedure - I know, I used to work having to write some of those orders! I've had a look at the legislation on the web - you'll see that its stated under Clause 4 of the proposed Bill. (Yes, I am a bit sad). I have made an edit that reflect that fact (i.e. Act of Parliament and vote for link to a "designated document", as its called"

This article is clearly biased but I do not have enough knowledge of the subject to perform a proper cleanup, so I have added a POV-check template. Here is one of the more blatant examples: "If the British Government were realistic about making an impact on crime, fraud, terrorism and illegal immigration it would scrap the preposterous ID card scheme and spend the vast amount of money on something useful. The introduction of ID cards will change British life. The relationship between the individual and the state will be forever altered. It will revolutionise the capacity of the state to monitor the movements and behaviour of each and every one of us. It erodes privacy, and in extremis it will curtail freedom." This conjecture and opinion has been added as fact, with a citation to an essay. It probably also qualifies as plagiarism, on that account. I will make some edits but I believe the POV-check template needs to stay up until this can be looked at by some more experienced editors with knowledge of the subject. Tartan Nutter 14:51, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I have made my edits but am not at all satisfied with the quality of this article. It needs attention. I would like to add that the bias I have been making an effort to remove actually supports my point of view, the entire page is clearly against identity cards. Heavily biased pages we happen to agree with are still bad pages, after all. Tartan Nutter 15:14, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I have looked it over again. The main thing this article needs is some good citations in support of ID cards. Most of the supporting opinions in this article are against. Tartan Nutter 12:52, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

So this article has now been tagged POV for over 18 months - thoughts on the current status? The worse examples given above have been removed. Mdwh (talk) 11:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

POV tag removed, but it's now tagged unbalanced, and no justification was given in the summary or here - if no justification is given, I'll remove the tag. Mdwh (talk) 16:23, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not from the UK nor I live there. Also, I am not a wikipedia contributor, just a reader. Having said this and with all due RESPECT for the people working to improve this page and Wikipedia, I have to say that the full article is so heavily bias anti-NIR that is almost comical.

Agreed. As a non-driver, I need alternative photo-identity to my passport (not going to carry that around everywhere with me, particularly as I regularly travel back and forward between NI and the mainland where I technically only need to show photo-id to get on the plane) asap and am going to be one of the first to apply when the scheme is opened for British nationals. Lstanley1979 (talk) 16:04, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

stuff from Identity card
The following section I removed from Identity document because it really belongs here, replaced it with a link to this main article. However it is pretty much the same as the stuff here and is also POV. Perhaps someone could extract some useful info to put into this article. 219.77.98.22 10:08, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

-- Nevertheless, several Home Secretaries have since proposed reintroducing identity cards, under various pretexts and, in 2003, the then Home Secretary David Blunkett stated that the British government intends to introduce a national identity card scheme based on biometric technology, together with a database to track the resident population, to be made compulsory by 2013. To that end, the Identity Cards Bill was introduced in the House of Commons on November 29, 2004; the bill failed as it was not passed before the UK general election, 2005, but was reintroduced soon after and (as of January 2006) continues to progress, though with increasingly smaller majorities in favor.

The Home Office argues the card will frustrate international terrorists, claiming that 35% of whom travel under a false identity. The government also claims the cards will help to prevent illegal immigration, "health tourism", benefit fraud and identity theft, and that biometric passports will make it easier for British citizens to travel to the U.S.. However in August 2005 the minister concerned conceded that the Government had "oversold the advantages of identity cards".

Critics oppose the bill on the grounds of: civil liberties, spiralling costs; issues with the database and audit trail (unprecedended amounts of personal data linked by one number and tracked on every use of the card, an unwarranted invasion of privacy; potential for discrimination (stop and search already targets and marginalises ethnic minorities) despite government assurances to the contrary; inability to stop terrorism, illegal immigration, or identity theft (which could be aided by linking all the information to one number); the risks involved (eg. inconvenience of errors and mismatches, government history of IT failure). The Government's own Information Commissioner has said that the nation risks sleepwalking into a 'surveillance society' due to this and other planned.

11,369 people have signed a pledge stating that they will refuse to register for an identity card and donate 10 pounds to a legal defense fund if the Bill becomes law.

The TGWU has said that identity cards have the potential to become Labour's Poll Tax. However, on Monday 13th February 2006 Parliament voted to allow people to buy and carry ID cards, although the scheme will not be compulsory. Anyone who buys a passport will have to buy an ID card at the same time, leading to 'creeping compulsion' given the high level of passport ownership by the UK population. The Government has said that the cost of an ID card on its own is £30 and with a passport the cost will be £93 although Independent Analysts have said that this price is likely to be more!

Article name
Speaking of which, shouldn't this article really be at British national identity register? The card is only a spin-off of the register. --Bonalaw 07:30, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

 * In theory you're right, however few people realise this (it's rarely mentioned in the media), and the title of the legislation is the "Identity Cards Act" so it's probably better off where it is. 80.42.36.220 04:04, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

 * If this is the only argument against, I think it should be changed. Wikipedia's job is to inform and educate in a NPOV way.  The relatively unbiased Lords Committee for the Constitution said that the legislation should be called the "National Identity Register and Identity Cards Bill" . "National Identity Register and ID Cards" would be my recommendation. There is no need for "British" in the title, surely. Mindjuicer 07:00, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment from main article
The following comment was added directly to the article. Regardless of the truth of the matter it is clear the comment belongs here:
 * The paragraph above is a Lie. For exaple, South Africa is also a common Law country.They also have ID cards.Check stuff before you enter it in here.

195.83.126.10 10:05, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Flaws with this article - proposals for improvement
Its becoming ridiculously long for something that is still being discussed and its needs significant cuts - which will also allow for some editing back towards NPOV. The suggestion that the article should be identity register also has a lot of merit and I think we should use that article to link to smaller sub articles on some of the less relevant parts (e.g the details fo what information will be held on the register). I won't do anything for a couple of days so that we can discuss taking this forward. --Spartaz 12:36, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

 * It seems an appropriate length for a complex and contentious topic, and is well structured to enable navigation. However it will continue to need regular pruning and NPOV correction as it has in the past (and as I've been doing today). As for the detail of information held on the register, this could be changed back to an infobox as it was back in March. 80.42.36.220 03:59, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Firstly, no-one knows what information will be held on the NIR as the Act clearly specifies:
 * "3.(6) The Secretary of State may by order modify the information for the time being set out in Schedule 1."

 * Secondly, I'd like to know why the following sections were removed without comment:
 * "This means both that little is known about the how the scheme would work and that its scope can expand beyond the Government's stated function without further votes in Parliament.
 * Opponents claim that political opposition could be highlighted through searching the data accumulated and blackmailed through denial of public services & licenses to travel. Supporters claim that the scheme has an important role in identity management, preventing terrorism & fraud and that rights are protected by the Human Rights Act."
 * Lastly, obvious ways to reduce the length include the legislative progress section, the polls concern and the totalitarian drift concern.
 * Mindjuicer 00:50, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Needs to be written in encyclopedia-style
I've noticed that the privacy concern section is written with questions, like:

"It has yet to be seen what will happen if an individual refuses to give up this information. For example, access to government services lost? Could people be arrested, as in previous cases of persons who had not broken the law, but who were not carrying identification with them?

There is also a concern about a creeping loss of privacy. Once the government has finger prints and eye scan, what will be the next thing the government asks for? Could the government ask for your DNA, or dental records? (This is banned under the current planned legislation because it requires an external biometric, whereas DNA is an internal biometric)."

 * Agree. There is a point to be made here about function creep, but the rest of this info is outdated/inaccurate.
 * The whole Concerns section is probably superfluous since most of the article talks about concerns. Mindjuicer 03:07, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

 * I have started to trim this down and remove some of unessecary information. This will take some time as there is a lot to be looked at. --Spartaz 06:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Sections 1 to 3 have been trimmed. Section 4 next Spartaz 21:43, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I think sections of the concerns should go but a lot of the information can be rationalised. I have made a slow start Spartaz 23:05, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Good work so far, I think. I have added "Various degrees of concern about the scheme have been expressed by human rights experts, security experts and IT experts amongst others" to the opening section.  I think concerns need to be highlighted since the main reactions of most experts seems to be concern of one kind or other. Mindjuicer 23:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's definitely much improved - good work! --h2g2bob 16:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes I agree that we need to keep some concerns. It just needs not to take over the entire article. :) Gotta find time to work on this more. Spartaz 19:58, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * There are 2 ways to deal with the many concerns about this scheme. One is bunching all concerns into one section and referencing those from the rest of the article.  The other is to mention some concerns throughout the article.
 * In regard to the polls history, Mdwh who reversed my trimming agreed in principle to the large reduction in the size of the section.  His 2 objections were that the earliest, 80% pro- poll was misleading and that the data was too useful to be completely discarded. See his talk page.  Mindjuicer 06:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I have done some more work on this splitting off the poll data to a separate page and consolidating the reaction of crime and terrorism professionals into one section. I have selectively removed some quotes that give particular pov added emphasis and thereby affective the overal NPOV of the sections. I also split off the data to be contained to a separate page because the info box was distorting the formating. Finally, I did some redrafting to improve readability and remove pov statements. I almost feel ready to tackle to concerns section. Spartaz 11:27, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Think most if not all of your NPOV edits make the article less informative and less accurate. Your other edits are good.  Suggest agreeing desirable changes to Concerns section before you make a start there. Mindjuicer 17:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not very territorial about this. Feel free to revert any changes you disagree with - I'm very unlikely to argue about it. Probably not a bad idea to think carefully about how to deal with the concerns. I just think we need it to be much more concise as otherwise the article becomes anti-ID cards. Hard thing for me to do well as I'm actually anti myself. Any ideas?  I really appreciate the extra eyes on what I'm doing because I do appreciate that this is a very contentious article as it stands. Spartaz 18:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * NPOV doesn't mean a balance halfway between pro & anti. It means neutral language and only justifiable assertions.  The Wiki article says "representing fairly and without bias all significant views".
 * "Concerns" looks hard to trim. They all look like valid concerns apart from "Poor Use of Funds".  There are even some concerns missing eg undercover reporting vs illegal working.  Totalitarian drift and Government benevolence can be merged and compressed with a pointer to a Govt authoritarianism page.  There are some duplications, excessive detail and poor language.
 * Again are we going to have concerns mentioned in respect to other details throughout the article, plus an extra "Other Concerns" bit?
 * Re: reverting, I'll have a look at what you were trying to do and see if I can come up with something better than what's been there so far. Give me a few days on that. Mindjuicer 20:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

(Arbitary new section re the reworking of the article
Hi Mindjuicer. Thanks for reviewing (& improving) my changes. I just wanted to comment on:

 * Various degrees of concern about the scheme have been expressed by human rights experts, security experts and IT experts

I'm a little concerned these are weasel words. How about

 * Concerns raised by human rights campaigners and IT experts have centered on possible erosion of personal liberties and doubts about the costs and practicality of the scheme. ????

Thanks. I also removed the totalitarian drift section in toto as it was a pov rant that basically addressed other issues. Perhaps mention in other bits as they are reworded. --Spartaz 21:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * "Concerns" is understating it. I can introduce you to several human rights experts who are horrified by the scheme, point you to 2 security experts who think this is a privacy & identity theft disaster waiting to happen and another 5 IT project management experts who say the scheme will almost certainly fail from an industry perspective.  Most of their arguments would convince a reasonable person that the project should never even be started.  Thus "Significant concerns" is accurate but possibly POV.  Any other suggestions?
 * Does DK CPR mean the Chinese police database? Do you have a source for the info contained on it?  As far as I'm aware, it's quite limited compared even to the 50 categories of information, biometrics & audit trail of the NIR.  I understand your objection to the word "intrusive" - by it I mean "the extent of what people usually consider to be private details".  On this definition, since the NIR can be easily linked to tax returns, the extended NIR is by definition more extensive than just the Finn's tax returns. 82.32.60.30 04:34, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * DK CPR is the Danish CPR record system that holds extensive infrmation on each person in Denmark. Finnish Tax Returns are publicly online and everyone checks their neighbours to see what they earn. What your contacts/friends tell you is not relevent. We do not go for original research here - we stick to what is verifiably published by reliable sources. Concerns about HR, Security and project failure will be discussed in the article. The current concerns section is an utter mess and needs completely reviewing. Can you point to some sources that would help us do this and document the concerns you raised? That would be very helpful. Also, we strive to write in neutral language and avoid emotive or alarming phrases.  Spartaz 05:57, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't get me wrong, you're doing a good job. Thanks for raising the DK CPR - not entirely sure why church membership is on there!?  Looks like their privacy is better protected by their constitution.
 * A few of the sources are mentioned throughout the article eg Info Commissioner, JCHR, Benefits Overview document (discussed ). Quite a few are missing eg European Human Rights Commissioner, Ross Anderson, Jerry Fishenden, the LSE, all of whom made the national press.
 * If concerns are mentioned in the article and not in the Concerns section, should it not then be called "Other Concerns"? Mindjuicer 19:54, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, Hi Mindjuicer, I hadn't realised it was you. Sorry for the lecture, I thought we had acquired an anon editor who might not have been aware of the relevent policies. I'm of the opinion that the three main concerns are Costs, HRA (Ethnic profiling and big brother) + security/IT risks and I'm inclined to do a section on each. The other concerns can be bulletted at the end to shorten the article and not give less important issues undue weight. This would then give us concerns about .... plus other concerns at the end. I think if we do that, we are getting pretty close to the finished product. Obviously we then need to go through referencing and balancing the thing but that can wait until we have fixed the content. What do you think? --Spartaz 21:38, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Use of a British Identity Card in place of a passport for travel in the EU
Quote from :

 * "Could the card be used for travel in Europe?
 * Most citizens of the European Economic Area (EEA) countries are able to travel within Europe using their national ID cards rather than a full passport. An ID card with British nationality displayed on the card could be used for travel in Europe."

This only says that if the card displays the nationality it would be valid for travel (conditional tense), which is merely a statement of EU law. It does not say the card will be proof of British nationality. Has anybody official said the card will be a proof of British Nationality?

Also, nowhere on the web site does it say what will be on the card, for example will your address be on it? If it cannot even be used as proof of address, it is useless. Am I being paranoid here? TiffaF 15:14, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm I think early drafts showed nationality so those issued to British citizens would be valid to use within in the EU/EEA. Spartaz Humbug! 17:08, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It is a way to cover their back as they want to force any British resident who is not a British National to have ID cards from 2008. Obviously they would not want these to be used for travel. So you could easily understand that it would somehow differentiate between both groups. Asterion talk 09:23, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That's normal. Italy for example issues ID cards to non-citizens. They simply can't be used outside Schengen. Other countries issue different cards to residents than citizens. Ultimately its simply a question of matching the nationality on th4 card with the country that issued it. If its different its not valid for travel. Spartaz Humbug! 10:54, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

profiling
is there any way to add some comments about the power of the database to be used for profilinf. The extensive information on the database (perhaps combined with other personal data) could be used in the same manner, for the same purpose, as a Tesco store card - to show who, how and where to target electoral resources and what promises to make in order to win an election.

If the information is not held securely, then there is a strong risk that the government would use the power of this data for electoral purposes, manipulating people, making promises, ignoring some, victimising others.

This is not unrealistic given the current regimes attitude to using national resources for party political purposes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.157.32.16 (talk) 23:28, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

 * If you can find references to support it (of other people making such accusations or government/political parties proposing it, not original research), feel free to add it. Please take care not to make unsupported statements (particularly contentious or deliberately subjective ones) and bear in mind that this is an encyclopaedia, not a forum. Cheers, CaNNoNFoDDa 17:07, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

 * no, this is an encyclopedia's forum. the actual page is the encyclopedia. 195.157.32.91 09:42, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I know this message was a long time ago but we don't have a forum. The purpose of this page is to discuss how to make the article better, not as a forum for discussion of the subject matter. Nil Einne (talk) 08:04, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Poisoned chalice for Labour Party
I do hope the Labour party will give up the crazy idea of ID cards before the next election. I and my familiy have voted labour for generations, yet I will vote Tory to avoid them, and so will a very large number of other people. I do not like the creation of a Nazi state by the back door. 89.242.106.210 (talk) 12:39, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

This is not a forum for discussing the merits of ID cards, it is a forum for discussing the article and its wording. Please make your comments elsewhere, on news sites, on other forums where the issue is being discussed. FWIW most European countries have ID cards, so Britain is just falling into line on that score anyway. Lstanley1979 (talk) 16:09, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

 * You tell him "make your comments elsewhere", but you still make the pro-ID card point about European countries having them? (Most European countries may have some form of ID - as does the UK, it's called a passport - but they don't have the UK's National Identity card and database: a £93 card with biometrics stored on a national database.) Mdwh (talk) 02:52, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

 * While this was always OT, I think you missed Lstanley's point. The UK is one of the few countries in the Europe without some form of Identity document meaning some document often in the form of a card, issued by the government (whether compulsory or not) for the express purpose of establishing in general someone's identity by local people (including companies) and authorities. Our article on identity document effectively notes that the UK is one of the few EU countries without one (it mentions it for Denmark and mentions the UK does not have one). A passport, which every country has, is not the same thing since as our article notes "A passport is a document, issued by a national government, which certifies, for the purpose of international travel, the identity and nationality of its holder. The elements of identity are name, date of birth, sex, and place of birth". In other words, the government issues it to enable other countries to be able to identify the holder as a national of their country for the travel purposes. (Given its purpose, whether you actually have a right to a passport also varies, arguably article 13 of the UDHR means you should but not all countries agree.) The fact that many organisations are willing to accept a passport to verify identity, and therefore it's often used in place of a formal identity document in contexts it was not issued for doesn't change this. Ditto for drivers licences which are issued for the purpose of establishing someone's right to drive and the circumstances in which they have that right (and perhaps their identity when they are driving) and of course given that requires the person somehow obtain the right to drive. This doesn't mean identity documents are okay nor does it mean the specific UK scheme such as the inclusion of biometrics was good, it simply means that Lstanley was correct that most European countries do have identity documents, and now that the UK has gotten rid of this, it does not. Nil Einne (talk) 08:02, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

There is a valid point there about the voting Tory (UK name for the Conservative Party) I'm lead to believe that the conservatives will end the program if elected This is not mentioned on the article I'll take a look for a citation and try to update the article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.54.106.121 (talk) 11:44, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

CWIC and FNIC
I note that neither the Critical Workers Identity Card nor the Foreign National Identity Card are mentioned in this article. I have redirected both terms here, however I feel that a brief presentation of both cards is merited. Please see, eg: http://www.ips.gov.uk/identity/scheme-what.asp. --Mais oui! (talk) 06:15, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

On the way out
Probably going to have to keep this updated in the near future (or placed in historical context as past legislation) as ID cards and the National Database are on course to be cancelled per the coalition plans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.225.117.64 (talk) 18:13, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed. It might be a point to move this article to Identity Cards Act 2006 if/when the card scheme gets scrapped. Gabbe (talk) 19:04, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * While they may stop issuing new ID cards, I doubt that any cards already issued could have their validity cancelled early. Many British citizens are already using ID cards instead of passports for travel within the EEA and Switzerland, and immigration authorities in all those countries are already trained to recognise them along with ID cards issued by other EEA member states. Many British citizens are already outside the UK travelling on an ID card rather than a passport, and it would be logistically impossible to cancel those people's valid travel documents while they are already abroad. Bear in mind that some people with ID cards may be living abroad for months or years at a time. It would also cost a lot more to refund the £30 to existing ID card holders than to continue recognising them as valid travel documents. For all these reasons, I think we will continue to need this page, as the cards already issued will undoubtedly continue to exist and remain valid until their expiry dates. NFH (talk) 19:13, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I completely agree NFH, for the same reasons. Fingers crossed, eh! Qwerta369 (talk) 07:57, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh dear Qwerta369 (talk) 12:46, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed - as the article says, they are to be invalidated, and once the legislation passes we can put this page in a historical context, per Gabbe's suggestion. 62.56.92.254 (talk) 14:36, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

It would seem that regardless as to the date of the final passage of the Acts of Parliament for the repeal of the Identity Card Scheme, the article has itself already become one of a historical nature, as following the general election, the issuance of identity cards was halted, making the exact date of the near future repeal a moot point, since the scheme in effect ended when the identity cards stopped being issued. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.158.126.161 (talk) 16:27, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The Identity Documents Bill 2010 is scheduled to become law within weeks, but let's say it doesn't. Then it's still not in any way incorrect to keep this article primarily focused on the 2006 Act and its consequences, rather than the wider topic of British identity cards in general. So I've already taken the liberty of moving the article. Gabbe (talk) 17:03, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

British citizens > UK nationals
Recently, the following:

''The National Identity Card is officially recognised as a valid travel document by the EEA and Switzerland. This is the only travel document which is valid for use by UK nationals throughout the EEA and Switzerland''

was changed to:

''The National Identity Card is officially recognised as a valid travel document by the EEA and Switzerland. This is the only travel document which is valid for use by British citizens throughout the EEA and Switzerland''

I have reverted this for the following reason:

A UK National ID Card is only valid for travel throughout the EEA / Switzerland if the British citizen holder is also an EU citizen. Not all British citizens are EU citizens, such as those from the Isle of Man or the Channel Islands who have no qualifying connection with the United Kingdom. EU citizens and their family members are able to benefit from the freedom of movement and establishment in other EU Member States, under the provision of EU Directive 2004/38/EC. British citizens who are not also EU citizens do not benefit from this. For clarity, a British citizen who is also an EU citizen is termed a "UK national" for EC purposes. This is the reason why the sentence reads "valid for use by UK nationals" and not "valid for use by British citizens". Hope that helps. Qwerta369 (talk) 09:37, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry for changing this back again. I hadn't seen the above rationale. NFH (talk) 22:18, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * He Qwerta, I understand from this post that you define a UK-national as a "British Citizen by virtue of its connection to the UK". However United Kingdom national is defined much broader on wikipedia. Can we find an alternative description that is short but exact or should we correct UK national entry? L.tak (talk) 02:45, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

 * Hi guys. I didn't know that the United Kingdom national page existed.  You are correct L.tak - that article is in need of correcting.  Some linkage for you here and here. Qwerta369 (talk) 13:16, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

ID cards cancellation letter
I've uploaded at and the two pages of the letter sent to UK ID card holders on 21/12/2010 with all the details of the cancellation. As some of the information is not published elsewhere, it might be useful to put a link on the page somewhere, but I'll leave it to someone else. NFH (talk) 20:24, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

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I think the article should be moved to the UK national identity card or Identity cards in the United Kingdom namespace - having the title of the page being an act of parliament isn't very informative in my opinion. The cards were physically issued and were valid, albeit for a short amount of time. Even though they are now invalid and no longer issued - an article on the physical cards is useful. I think a suitable comparison for a discontinued ID card is Bilhete de Identidade (Portugal). Although it should be clear they are no longer issued or valid.

On another note, I think this article is too lengthy and still does not portray a neutral point of view (as discussed around 15 years ago). It isn't written in an encyclopaedic style, in my opinion. I think the article should focus on the legislation and the function of the cards themselves, rather than the social and political implications of the UK having ID cards - although of course having sections for opposition and controversies. Drumstick21 (talk) 13:42, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

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't Haantje, Drenthe

't Haantje (the Little Rooster) is a small village in the northeastern Netherlands. It is situated northwest of Emmen and is part of the municipality of Coevorden. It lies along the Oranjekanaal, between Noord-Sleen and Klijndijk.

't Haantje was first mentioned in 1874. The etymology is unclear. It was founded when peat labourers decided to settle there. On 1 December 1965, the village barely escaped a disaster. A French company working for the N.A.M. was drilling for gas, and started to lose control of the enormous gas pressure. During the afternoon, this resulted in a huge gas eruption. The ground around the hole caved in - swallowing all of the drilling equipment. The gas eruption was eventually stopped by a cement injection from a new drilling hole. A small lake lake surrounded by a forest forms a permanent reminder of this event.

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Kosivka, Odesa Oblast

Kosivka (Ukrainian: Косівка, Russian: Косовка) is a village in Ukraine of Bilhorod-Dnistrovskyi Raion (sub-region) of Odesa Oblast (region). It belongs to Serhiivka settlement hromada, one of the hromadas of Ukraine. The population of the village is 258 people.

Geography
Kosivka is a typical Bessarabian village with people of Ukrainian majority. Before the World War II, 80% of people were Ukrainians and 20% are Russians. After the War, many Moldavians settled in Kosivka. They worked in Serhiivka, Serhiivka settlement hromada, Bilhorod-Dnistrovskyi Raion, Odesa Oblast, mainly in construction works and later in sanatoriums. During Soviet Period, Moldavian Soviet Government financed the building of sanatoriums and big houses of Serhiivka. Today many sanatoriums still belong to or are connected to the Ministry of Health of Moldova. Today many people of Kosivka continue to work in sanatoriums of Serhiivka. Markets of Serhiivka are supplied by vegetables, fruits, milk products of nearest villages, including Kosivka. People of the village have many goats and unfortunately few cows only. During the Soviet Period, two farms were built in Kosivka. One of the farms works now. Most of the village's houses were built before World War II. Only several houses were built in the 20th century. The main material for the construction of houses was clay. But the new houses of the 20th century were made of modern materials.

The village has a very important situation. The village is situated close by the coastal salt lake Budak (or Shabolat) and the Black Sea. Mud and salt water of the lake are healing and used for therapeutic mud-baths. To get to the Black Sea from the village is possible by a motor boat or by land transport via Serhiivka or Kurortne. There are no entertainment centers at the village. The sole shop does not sell alcohol. It is not typical for local tourist destinations.

Language
Local people speak Bessarabian dialect of Ukrainian, where are many Romanian and Russian words. Also many people speak Russian and minority speaks Moldavian. Old generation of people of Kosivka speaks Romanian because Kosivka was a part of Romania until 1940. New generation speaks both Ukrainian and Russian languages.

Tatar period (15th-19th centuries)
The village was founded in the 15th century by Tatars. It was the Budgak Horde with the main city - Ak-Kerman (White Fortress). There are old Tatar's monuments at the village's cemetery.

Russian Empire period (1812–1918)
In 1812 the territory of Bessarabia was attached to the Russian Empire. Tatars were evicted to Russia.

Romanian period (1918–1940)
In 1918 Romanian Army occupied Bessarabia and Bessarabian Parliament decided on 25 November 1918 to be a part of Romania. Kosivka was a Romanian village till 1940. The Romanian name of the village was Codăeşti (Kadayeshty).

Second World War period (1940–1944)
In 1940 Bessarabia was occupied by USSR. Kosivka as a part of Akkerman "povit" (region) became a part of Ukraine. During World War II from 19 July 1941 to 25 August 1944 the village was occupied by Romania.

Soviet period (1944–1991)
In 1944 Kosivka was occupied by the Soviet Army. In 1954 the village became a part of Odesa Oblast of Soviet Ukraine.

Ukrainian period (Since 1991)
After independence of Ukraine from the Soviet Union on 24 August 1991, Kosivka became a part of Odesa Oblast of Ukraine. Therefore, Ukrainian history of Kosivka, including World War II and Soviet Ukraine, begins in 1940 only. Kosivka never was a part of Ukraine before.

Baptist church
The Kosivka Baptist Church was built in 1931. After the Soviet occupation the church building was transformed to a stable and later to a village club. After independence of Ukraine, the church building was returned to Baptists by the President's Act.

The Baptist Church is a part of Evangelical Baptist Union of Ukraine (aka All-Ukrainian Union of Churches of Evangelical Christian Baptists; ) is a union of Baptists in Ukraine. It is the largest protestant union in Ukraine. According to the union, it is composed by over 2,800 churches and groups, with 150,000 conscious believers, and about 300,000 people that attend church services.

The Kosivka Baptist Church has about 25 members. It is about 10% of the village population. The Church had and has now a big influence on the village's life. No alcohol is for sale at the village's sole shop. No criminal activity is recorded at the village. The Christian Club for children "Future of Ukraine" was founded on base of the Church. Children of the village are involved in the Church activity.

School
Kosivka School is situated on the main street of the village 1, Zhovtneva Street, Kosivka, 67792.

The school building was built in 1917. However the building is in good condition. The local authorities has financed repairing of the building for the past years.

The school building also hosts a medical office and the village's library. The library has a large collection of books. Many books were granted by the Kosivka Baptist Church.

Children of the school attend 1st, 2nd and 3rd classes only. All other children of 4th class and higher attend the school at Primorske, 5 kilometers from Kosivka. The children are transported to and from the Primorske School by a school bus.

The school has a small number of children but quality of education is high. Children love the school very much. Children study English on the second year (2nd class).

Transport and Communication
Kosivka is connected to Bilhorod-Dnistrovskyi, Shabo, Serhiivka and other towns and villages by the bus service "Bilhorod-Dnistrovskyi - Popazdra".

Kosivka may be reached by three ways:
 * From Bilhorod-Dnistrovskyi to Kosivka by a bus "Bilhorod-Dnistrovskyi - Popazdra";
 * From Odesa to Serhiivka by a bus "Odesa - Serhiivka" and from Serhiivka to Kosivka by a taxi or bus "Bilhorod-Dnistrovskyi - Popazdra";
 * From Odesa to Kosivka by a bus "Odesa - Tatarbunary". The bus does not go through Kosivka but one kilometer by-pass.

Communication of the village is based mainly on mobile phones (GSM) and mobile internet (CDMA). The main mobile phone provider is "Kyivstar". Other mobile phone providers (MTS, Life and others) have poor coverage in the village. The main mobile internet provider is "Intertelecom", a first CDMA operator in Ukraine. 3G is available with external antenna only. The school and medical office have wired phones, provided by "Ukrtelecom".

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Journal of Consciousness Studies

The Journal of Consciousness Studies is an interdisciplinary peer-reviewed academic journal dedicated entirely to the field of consciousness studies. It is published by Imprint Academic, and was founded in 1994. It was previously edited by Joseph Goguen, and is currently edited by Professor Valerie Gray Hardcastle of the University of Cincinnati.

Background
The journal was established in part to provide visibility across disciplines to various researchers approaching the problem of consciousness from their respective fields. The articles are usually in non-specialized language (in contrast to a typical academic journal) in order to make them accessible to those in other disciplines. This also serves to help make them accessible to laypersons.

In contrast to many other journals, it attempts to incorporate fields beyond the realm of the natural sciences and the social sciences such as the humanities, philosophy, critical theory, and comparative religion.

A review of new journals in Nature stated that 'there is no other journal quite like it, and one day we shall look back to its appearance as a defining moment.' (Gray, 1995).

Content
From time to time, the journal publishes collections of thematically or topically related academic papers. These often take the form of a double issue. Recent issues of the Journal of Consciousness Studies cover topics such as animal consciousness, emotional consciousness, grief, indigenous philosophies of consciousness, and introspection.

Some examples of articles published in the journal:
 * "The Astonishing Hypothesis" (1994) - Francis Crick & J. Clark
 * "Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness" (1995) - David Chalmers
 * "Realistic Monism: Why Physicalism Entails Panpsychism" (2006) - Galen Strawson
 * "Illusionism as the Obvious Default Theory of Consciousness" (2016) - Daniel Dennett
 * "The Meta Problem of Consciousness" (2018) - David Chalmers
 * "The Real Problem(s) with Panpsychism" (2021) - Anil Seth
 * "Is Consciousness Everywhere (Essays on Panpsychism)" - Philip Goff
 * "Is the Sun Conscious?" (2021) - Rupert Sheldrake
 * "What Forms Could Introspective Systems Take? A Research Programme" (2023) - Francois Kammerer and Keith Frankish.

The journal reports on conferences, notably the Toward a Science of Consciousness (TSC) conference, which is organized by the Center for Consciousness Studies based at the University of Arizona in Tucson. See, for example, TSC 2012.

Papers from the first Online Consciousness Conference were published in a special issue of JCS in April 2010.

Abstracting and Indexing
The Journal of Consciousness Studies is abstracted in the Philosopher's Index, Social Sciences Research Index, ISI Alerting Services (Includes Research Alert), Current Contents, Arts and Humanities Research Index, Social and Behavioural Sciences, Arts & Humanities Citation Index, Social Scisearch and PsycINFO.

title: Journal of Consciousness Studies


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CBAT-DT

CBAT-DT (channel 4) is a CBC Television station in Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada. It has common ownership with Moncton-based Ici Radio-Canada Télé station CBAFT-DT (channel 11). CBAT-DT's studios are located on Regent Street and Vanier Highway in Fredericton, and its transmitter is located on Rice Hill. CBAT originally broadcast from a transmitter located on Mount Champlain near Saint John, its city of licence until 2011, and operated a network of rebroadcasters throughout the province.

History
The station first went on the air on March 22, 1954 as CHSJ-TV, owned by the Irving family's New Brunswick Broadcasting Company along with CHSJ radio (AM 1150, now at 94.1 FM) and located in Saint John. The Irvings also owned Saint John's main newspaper, The Telegraph-Journal. Its network of rebroadcasters was built up between 1961 and 1978.

Originally, CHSJ was the CBC affiliate for southern New Brunswick while CKCW-TV in Moncton served the northern and eastern portion. However, in 1969, CKCW switched to CTV and signed on a full-time satellite in Saint John, CKLT-TV. Since CHSJ needed time to build rebroadcasters in the southern part of the province, three of CKCW's rebroadcasters continued to air some CBC programming until 1976.

Over the years, CHSJ had a tendency to preempt large blocks of network programming, forcing an entire province to miss several of the CBC's most well-known shows. After numerous complaints, in 1988 the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) ordered CHSJ to clear the base 35-hour block of CBC programming when MITV came along that year with stations in Halifax and Saint John. Although CBC's Fredericton and Moncton studios had produced programming for CHSJ as early as the 1970s, New Brunswick remained the final province to get a CBC owned-and-operated television station. In 1994, the CBC bought CHSJ-TV from the Irvings, recalled it as CBAT-TV, and relocated its operations to Fredericton. (CBAT's master control has since been consolidated with those of CBC's other Atlantic Time Zone O&Os into a main facility in Halifax.) Until the end of analog broadcasting in Canada, CBAT was the only CBC-owned station with a "-TV" suffix in its callsign.

News programming
The station's flagship 6 p.m. newscast has been broadcast from Fredericton since the 1980s, first as the CBC News for New Brunswick, then as NB Now. This arrangement continued until 2000, when the national restructuring of CBC local news led to the creation of Canada Now, which consisted of a half-hour national and international news segment produced from Vancouver airing at 6 p.m., and a locally produced half-hour segment airing at 6:30 p.m.

Following the cancellation of Canada Now in 2007, the station's local news reverted to a full-hour format as CBC News: New Brunswick at Six. On August 31, 2009, CBC New Brunswick expanded the supper-time newscast from 60 to 90 minutes and pushed it back an hour (from 5 p.m. to 6:30 p.m.) in compliance with CBC News' mandate for more local news coverage.

The 5:30 p.m. portion was titled CBC News: Maritimes at 5:30, and was also seen on Prince Edward Island on CBCT. In January 2010, CBC News: Maritimes at 5:30 was replaced with an extra half hour of the provincial newscasts on CBAT and CBCT. As of September 2012, CBAT carries regional Maritime newscasts at 11 p.m. on Sunday – Friday and at 7 p.m. on Saturdays.

CBAT was also the only CBC owned-and-operated television station to simulcast a local CBC Radio One station's morning program until other O&Os began doing the same in 2014. CBAT's New Brunswick First is a simulcast of CBZF-FM's Information Morning, airing on weekday mornings from 6–8 a.m.

The current local anchor on CBAT is Rachel Cave. Weather forecasts are done by meteorologist Ryan Snoddon via satellite from CBC Halifax.

In 2003, CBAT made a controversial programming decision to preempt the CBC's broadcast of Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals in order to carry live returns from the provincial election.

Coverage
The station is also carried on cable across the border in Maine, particularly in the cities of Presque Isle and Houlton, as well as in Washington County.

Transmitters
CBAT had seven analog television rebroadcasters throughout New Brunswick in communities such as Saint John and Moncton.

Due to federal funding reductions to the CBC, in April 2012, the CBC responded with substantial budget cuts, which included shutting down CBC's and Radio-Canada's remaining analog transmitters on July 31, 2012. None of CBC or Radio-Canada's rebroadcasters were converted to digital.

The analog transmitter had covered Fredericton and Saint John. On March 23, 2011, the CRTC denied an application by the CBC to install a digital transmitter that provided coverage to Fredericton, but not Saint John. A few months later, the CRTC approved the application in conjunction with maintaining the existing analog transmitter at a reduced power to maintain coverage in Saint John. The CBC stated that this decrease in coverage was due to financial reasons and the CBC did not commit to restoring this coverage at a future date.

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Talk:Transconductance

Objective
this Should be a general description of what the term means, and then a description of transistor and vacuum tube properties.

probably copyrighted definitions:

General: Transconductance Transconductance is a property similar to both gain and conductance. When conductance is the will to generate an current for an apply voltage at to connecting points is the transconductance the will to generate an output current at the output connecting points for and applied input voltage at the input connecting points.

Specific applications: Transconductance Amplifier An amplifier which has an transconductance instead of ordinary voltage gain. Transconductance amplifiers can be of great use in some cursuits and is are better suited to drive certain loads (consider an speaker and the speaker cable). There exists transconductance amplifiers similar to operational amplifiers usually refered to as OTAs.

TRANSCONDUCTANCE—Transconductance is a ratio of the change in plate current to a change in grid voltage with the plate voltage held constant. Transconductance (gm) is usually expressed in micromhos or millimhos.

parameter defining conditions for current flow in the channel of Field Effect Transistors (FETs); the derivative of the output current over input voltage

Split?
We have a few related concepts. Transconductance, transresistance, transadmittance, and transimpedance. Which ones should have their own articles? If they are combined into one article, what should the title be? — Omegatron 15:30, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Transconductance is a far more widely used concept than transresistance I feel. I think transresistance is given far too much weight in the article, but I dont think it warrants its own page either.--Light current 02:22, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

 * This transresistance amplifier hooey seems to have been coined by Maxim. Its nothing special as its only an op amp with a FB resistor (surprise). Who else uses the terms 'transresistance' (or transimpedance). I dont think Ive heard of them before seeing them here.--Light current 02:31, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Just because you personally haven't heard of something doesn't mean we should take it out of articles. Lots of people use the terms. — Omegatron 13:50, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I'd say all these articles should be merged into a good discussion of two-port networks since the parameters are more or less directly as a result of two port modeling. -- mattb

 * I don't know if this is helpful or not, but I was thoroughly confused by getting redirected here from "Norton Amplifier". I was trying to learn about Norton / current differencing amplifiers, which I now know are transimpedance amplifiers (not transconductance amplifiers), but there wasn't much information, so I started searching around and reading about transconductance amplifiers thinking that was what I wanted. It took me a while to figure out where I'd gone wrong, so my suggestion would be to either add a section/note here to explain what Norton/current-mode/transimpedance amplifiers do or to not have the URLs corresponding to those terms redirect here. (It'd almost be better just to get a "not found" page than for it to take one to this page as it is right now.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.77.60.241 (talk) 21:57, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Removed from page
''Yet another term, this time coined by National Semiconductor in the early 1970s with the introduction of their LM3900, is the eponymous Norton amplifier. The Norton amplifier produces an output voltage proportional to the difference between the currents flowing into its two inputs. ''

What has this to do with transconductance?--Light current 02:17, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

 * That would be a transresistance amplifier, not transconductance. — Omegatron 13:41, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Norton Amplifier?
"Norton Amplifier" redirects to this article, but the term is found nowhere in the text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.153.130.147 (talk) 08:56, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I've now put a short article at that title. SpinningSpark 09:36, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

transistors
In the transresistance section, or maybe somewhere else, one might mention that the name "transistor" came from transresistance, even though it isn't the right quantity for a bipolar transistor. (They are usually modeled as current controlled current sources.) In any case, using transconductance for bipolar transistors is strange. They were named transistors because they don't have transconductance. Gah4 (talk) 21:54, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Bipolar transistors don't have transconductance? Transconductance is defined quite generally for any two-port. I don't see the basis for your claim. SpinningSpark 09:06, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The advantage of the bipolar transistor is its high transconductance which leads to high bandwidth and low offset and noise voltage. (my emphasis) SpinningSpark 09:40, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The whole idea of transconductance for tubes and FETs is that it is, more or less, constant, given some other parameters. That is, that they model as voltage controlled current sources. I haven't thought about common base for a while, which is the way early bipolar transistors were used, but as common emitter, and for emitter follower, they model as current controlled current sources. In any case, I believe the story of the naming is well known, though I didn't look for a WP:RS. Gah4 (talk) 14:27, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't dispute the naming of transistor, or that its transconductance is not constant. But that was not what you actually said.  By the way, emitter follower is a voltage source surely, not a current source. SpinningSpark 15:12, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Emitter follower is a current amplifier. The emitter voltage is 0.7V less (or 0.7V more for PNP) than the base, and it pulls just enough base current to drive the needed output current. Unlike the common emitter circuit, where you usually need excess base current to be sure it is in saturation.  (Usually.) Gah4 (talk) 06:08, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Agreed it is a current amplifier, but that does not make it a current source. The output current is almost entirely dependent on the load, while the output voltage is almost entirely dependent on the input voltage.  Those are the features of a voltage dependent voltage source.  Compare with an independent voltage source, the output current is also entirely dependent on the load.  This source backs me up. SpinningSpark 10:19, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ...and this source says even more clearly that it is a voltage source. SpinningSpark 10:24, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmm. From the outside, they look like voltage controlled voltage sources. From the transistor's viewpoint, though, they are current controlled current sources. I was not so long ago playing with ECAP and SPICE, including bipolar transistor models. In any case, they aren't characterized by transconductance. Reminds me also of Cathode follower, which came before emitter followers. Gah4 (talk) 06:13, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Agreed it is a current amplifier, but that does not make it a current source. The output current is almost entirely dependent on the load, while the output voltage is almost entirely dependent on the input voltage.  Those are the features of a voltage dependent voltage source.  Compare with an independent voltage source, the output current is also entirely dependent on the load.  This source backs me up. SpinningSpark 10:19, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ...and this source says even more clearly that it is a voltage source. SpinningSpark 10:24, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmm. From the outside, they look like voltage controlled voltage sources. From the transistor's viewpoint, though, they are current controlled current sources. I was not so long ago playing with ECAP and SPICE, including bipolar transistor models. In any case, they aren't characterized by transconductance. Reminds me also of Cathode follower, which came before emitter followers. Gah4 (talk) 06:13, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmm. From the outside, they look like voltage controlled voltage sources. From the transistor's viewpoint, though, they are current controlled current sources. I was not so long ago playing with ECAP and SPICE, including bipolar transistor models. In any case, they aren't characterized by transconductance. Reminds me also of Cathode follower, which came before emitter followers. Gah4 (talk) 06:13, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

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CDF

CDF is a three-letter acronym that may refer to:

Mathematics, science, and computers

 * .cdf (formerly known as "AIA Format"), the ANDI/netCDF scientific data interchange file format
 * Cation diffusion facilitator, transport protein
 * Channel Definition Format, an XML standard
 * Chip Description File, a genomic analysis file format
 * Chlorinated dibenzofuran(s), a.k.a. polychlorinated dibenzofurans
 * Cohen–Daubechies–Feauveau wavelet
 * Collider Detector at Fermilab
 * Comma-delimited format, now referred to as .csv (comma-separated values)
 * Common Data Format, NASA software
 * Composite Document File, a Microsoft compound document file format
 * Compound Document Format, a set of W3C standards on a specific compound document format
 * Computable Document Format, a format for interactive data visualizations
 * Core Damage Frequency, a term used in probabilistic risk assessment for nuclear power plants
 * Cumulative distribution function

Organizations

 * California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection
 * Canal del Fútbol (Chile)
 * Ceylon Defence Force
 * Chief of the Defence Force (disambiguation), position in multiple countries
 * Children's Defense Fund (U.S.)
 * Ciskei Defence Force
 * "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF)": former name of Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith (DDF)
 * Constituency Development Fund
 * Cooperative Development Foundation (U.S.)
 * Crypto Developers Forum

Transport

 * Cardiff Central railway station, National Rail station code CDF
 * Cortina Airport, Italy (IATA code CDF)

Other

 * CDF Croisières de France, a cruise ship operator
 * Chesapeake Detention Facility
 * Clostridium difficile (bacteria)
 * ESA's Concurrent Design Facility at ESTEC
 * Congolese franc, the ISO 4217 code for the currency of the Democratic Republic of Congo
 * Constructive developmental framework for psychological assessment
 * Carlos Diego Ferreira, a Brazilian mixed martial artist

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Kosov

Kosov may refer to:

Dynasties

 * Kosov (Hasidic dynasty)

Places in the Czech Republic

 * Kosov (Šumperk District), a municipality and village in the Olomouc Region
 * Kosov, a village and part of Bor (Tachov District) in the Plzeň Region
 * Kosov, a village and part of Jihlava in the Vysočina Region
 * Kosov, a village and part of Kamenný Újezd (České Budějovice District) in the South Bohemian Region
 * Košov, a village and part of Lomnice nad Popelkou in the Liberec Region

Surname

 * Kosov (surname)

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Common Data Format

Common Data Format (CDF) is a library and toolkit that was developed by the National Space Science Data Center (NSSDC) at NASA started in 1985. The software is an interface for the storage and manipulation of multi-dimensional data sets.

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Talk:List of disputed or occupied territories

Subnational and dependent territories are also non-independent. This title is confusing. Move to [List of disputed or occupied territories]? --Jiang 20:39, 4 May 2004 (UTC)

 * I agree. Also, what qualifies a territory to be on this list? There are a few listed on dependent territories that are claimed by more than one country. older ≠ wiser 18:48, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I removed Brittany. There's a case for Corsica being on the list, but there's not much to say about Brittany (or I guess that we should also list Scotland, Wales, Texas...). David.Monniaux 04:18, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Mongolia
What is this supposed to mean: Mongolia (claimed by Republic of China on Taiwan)? Nichalp 18:56, Feb 13, 2005 (UTC)

 * the Republic of China (by means of the National Assembly) has never changed the official borders to disclude Mongolia. But along with the claim over mainland China, this is largely ignored (and I think they recently exchanged representative offices, giving de facto recognition of the independent state of Mongolia's existence). Many maps published in Taiwan still portray outer Mongolia and Tuva as part of China.--Jiang 06:12, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Gaza Strip
The current entry for the Gaza Strip doesn't seem particularly accurate ("Israeli-occupied, Palestinian Authority") given recent events, though it probably does belong on the list. How can it be improved? --Dtcdthingy 21:46, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, the entry needs to be adjusted. Point to include should be 1)Gaza is still de jura occuipied territory (Occupupied by Israel) 2) Gaza is administered in party by the Palestinian Authority 3) Specific aspect of the governing of Gaza should are addressed in Israel's unilateral disengagement plan. I think that this could be a good entry

 * Gaza Strip (Israeli-occupied, Claimed by State of Palestine - Currently administerd by the Palestinian Authority by agreement. See Israel's unilateral disengagement plan for more information.)

 * or level the current enty with a footnote describing the administartion and a refernece to the disengagement plan] Shocktm 23:14, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Mainland China
It says "Mainland China (People's Republic of China, claimed by Republic of China on Taiwan)", which in order words, means the ROC does not lay claim to the two SARs?--Huaiwei 09:15, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Don't know. The ROC government has never stated its position explicitly. Before 1997/1999 it acknowledged Hong Kong and Macao were colonies of the UK and Portugal. Throughout its rule on the mainland it had not attempted to takeover these two territories by force. As it has never recognised the PRC government, and had already broken its formal diplomatic ties with the UK and Portugal, it did not recognise the joint declarations between the UK and the PRC over the question of Hong Kong, and between Portugal and the PRC over Macao. Technically we may say Macao, as well as Hong Kong Island and Kowloon (south of Boundary Street) of Hong Kong, which were ceded, are still legally part of the UK and Portugal from ROC's perspective. It's a bit more complicated for the New Territories which was leased. Since the ROC considers itself the successor of Qing, when the lease expired the sovereignty would be restored to the ROC.  Nevertheless it's obviously not realistic for the ROC to express such views which is based on technical and legal grounds. Currently the ROC government treats the mainland, and Hong Kong and Macao differently, without mentioning its position over the latter. — Instantnood 10:05, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Interesting. This map does not even seem to bother showing the two territories being individual territories. Does this possibly indicate that the ROC has not recognised British and Portuguese claims, just as it refuses to recognise Mongolian independence?--Huaiwei 11:26, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

 * No clue to tell if the ROC government officially recognised the British and Portuguese territories, but the fact they were not under its administration was acknowledged. — Instantnood 11:59, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

 * So can we determine exactly what their territorial claim is before including this entry in this page, because this can be a serious error? In addition, should this list include Mongolian territory?--Huaiwei 12:08, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I guess we do have adequate evidence it did acknowledge British and Portuguese existence. It considers Hongkongers and Macanese huáqiáo before 1997/99, for instance. FYI, (Outer) Mongolia is included on the list already, although Tannu Uriankhai is left out. — Instantnood 12:57, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * "Technically we may say Macao, as well as Hong Kong Island and Kowloon (south of Boundary Street) of Hong Kong, which were ceded, are still legally part of the UK and Portugal from ROC's perspective." Can you cite that before anyone does try and put it in an article? SchmuckyTheCat 13:27, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It's my deduction: the ROC is a successor of Qing, and the ROC has not concluded any treaty with the UK or Portugal to nullify the 19th century treaties. — Instantnood 14:46, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Please clearly label your deductions as such and do not preface them with "we may say", because we may not say them. SchmuckyTheCat 16:26, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Well I'm not putting it into the article. I was using it on this talk page to explain that the situation of Hong Kong and Macao is not as apparent as mainland China. — Instantnood 16:44, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Hence "Mongolian territory", not "Mongolia", coz the boundaries dont tally exactly. Just compare with any PRC+Mongolia map. It also similarly lays claims to parts of Arunachal Pradesh (currently claimed by the PRC), which this list does not indicate well. Whatever the case, I dont think the Huaqiao thing is definitive at all in this. For how long did it use that term on these people, btw?--Huaiwei 14:23, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It may be argued that Arunachal Pradesh, and formerly Mongolia, are/were considered to be part of mainland China, and Tannu Uriankhai is considered part of the Mongolia Region (dìqù), by the ROC government. — Instantnood 14:46, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * So do we at wikipedia consider Mainland China to include all territory as listed above?--Huaiwei 15:02, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The only way to present their claims clearly is to create a map. — Instantnood 15:09, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It would be even better to find an existing map that can be reproduced. An existing map that could not be reproduced would be an excellent (even necessary) citation for such as this. SchmuckyTheCat 16:24, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Hence the existing entry in this article is horribly inaccurate, and a serious violation of NPOV even, if one thinks about its implications. This is as good as us assuming that the Chinese mainland and Mongolia already includes those disputed territories somehow. I would propose we edit it as soon as possible or even remove them totally until something concrete can be done about them. And yes, I am still curious if their claims extends to the two SARs. Anyone has access to the ROC constitution?--Huaiwei 17:35, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Presumably Taiwan's claims go back to China's pre-1949 borders.

Chagos Archipelago
This page states that it is claimed by Seychelles as well as Mauritius. However, the page on the Chagos Archipelago specifically states that'contrary to popular opinion, it is not claimed by Mauritius'. Can someone clarify please?

Gaza Strip
Occupied by whom? Who claims sovereignty over that territory? Where are the sources? The article Gaza Strip does not support the inclusion here. Ejrrjs | [[User talk:Ejrrjs|What?]] 08:02, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

 * The Strip is not yet fully sovereign in that Israel retains offshore maritime control and controls its air-space. On the ground, however, the Palestinian Authority has the upper hand over the various minor militant fractions. This is a somewhat similar arrangement to that which exists between the United States and Palau and the Marshall Islands, but unlike Gaza, both of these two states are internationally recognized and maintain the functions attributed to a state. Gaza Strip has never been a sovereign state nor has it ever (in modern times) been integrated into any other state. No other state recognizes it as a de jure separate geo-political entity on its own, since both the United Nations and the Arab League wants to see it coupled with the West Bank as an exclave of a future state. --Big Adamsky 12:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

 * So if it is not occupied nor disputed...perhaps it does not belong here...BTW, the Palestinian Authority is controling Rafah doors. Is it not enough? Ok, let's wait ;-) User:Ejrrjs says What? 01:50, 26 November 2005 (UTC)


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TexCare

TexCare is a program developed by the State of Texas to raise awareness of the children's health insurance options available, and to help Texas families obtain and use affordable coverage for their uninsured children (ages 0–19). The Texas Health and Human Services Commission operates the program.

Offerings
TexCare offers two separate children's health insurance programs with benefits packages that cover a full range of services including regular checkups, immunizations, prescription drugs, lab tests, X-rays, hospital visits, and more.

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Hydrochloride

In chemistry, a hydrochloride is an acid salt resulting, or regarded as resulting, from the reaction of hydrochloric acid with an organic base (e.g. an amine). An alternative name is chlorhydrate, which comes from French. An archaic alternative name is muriate, derived from hydrochloric acid's ancient name: muriatic acid.

Uses
Converting amines into their hydrochlorides is a common way to improve their water solubility, which can be desirable for substances used in medications. The European Pharmacopoeia lists more than 200 hydrochlorides as active ingredients in medications. These hydrochlorides, compared to free bases, may more readily dissolve in the gastrointestinal tract and be absorbed into the bloodstream more quickly. Additionally, many hydrochlorides of amines have a longer shelf-life than their respective free bases.

Amine hydrochlorides represent latent forms of a more reactive free base. In this regard, formation of an amine hydrochloride confers protection. This effect is illustrated by the hydrochlorides of the amino acids. Glycine methyl ester hydrochloride is a shelf-stable salt that can be readily converted to a reactive glycine methyl ester, a compound that is not shelf-stable.

title: Hydrochloride