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Talk:Machine translation

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Bill 21:12, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

 * If you guys don't mind, I'm going to make some changes to the history section of this article some time in the next week. I'm going to add some material about the work of David G. Hays. He led the MT effort at RAND back in the 50s and 60s, was one of the authors of the ALPAC report, wrote the first textbook in computational linguistics, was instrumental in founding t@Diderothe Association for Computational Linguistics and so forth. I'll be adding an article about Hays himself, then I'll link it to this article, and, as I said, make a some changes to the history section.@ 2001:44C8:440D:F5BF:1:1:CC00:80AF (talk) 20:57, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

What is all this new stuff in the last two weeks? Most of it has little or no value and none of it makes a hint of sense in an encyclopedia. A lot of it is copyright violation, and even if it wasn't it still doesn't belong here in that form. Deleted most all of it, couldn't figure out exactly which version to revert to. Diderot 19:49, 6 May 2004 (UTC)

Fact tagged

 * The PaTrans system requires both manual pre- and post-editing, but the monthly output is still approximately 400,000 words per operator.

Suggestion
Add "Speech Recognition" and "Computational Linguistics" Wikimedia links under "See Also"

Create pages for each of the following organizations (with external links) under "See Also" and linked to "Machine Translation" page.

International Association for Machine Translation (IAMT) http://www.isi.edu/natural-language/organizations/IAMT-bylaws.html

Several links on this page are not working. Typically the pdf links Machine_translation_in_foreign_language.pdf, live_3540...jair.pdf, ...LEPOR.pdf etc. It is good if they are restored correctly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.133.233.109 (talk) 04:14, 15 December 2020 (UTC) Association for Machine Translation in the Americas (AMTA) http://www.amtaweb.org/

European Association for Machine Translation (EAMT) http://www.eamt.org/

Asia-Pacific Association for Machine Translation (APAMT) http://www.aamt.info/

Association for Computational Linguistics http://www.aclweb.org/

under:See also I added: You may wish to remove it, but it seemed to need adressing, the whole catagory of language translators available freely and easilly on the web, without need of so much as a download Cross-Translation Tool comparing SYSTRAN powered services (Babel Fish, Google Language, etc) with other translation services My thanks for the indulgence is sincere

Examples
If no one objects, I'm going to make the Examples into a separate page, maybe

History
does anyone else think this is a joke? "Although there is no system that provides the holy-grail of 'Fully automatic high quality machine translation' (FAHQMT), many systems provide reasonable output."

FAHQ MT? Who came up with this acronym? Isn't there a less dramatic and confusing way to summarize that machine translation isn't as high quality as human translation, but produces practical results? - enjone
 * I think that the actual acronym is FAHQT (Fully Automated High Quality Translation) and dates back to 1950s. Atleast Yehoshua Bar-Hillel uses this acronym on his 1960 article
 * The Present Status of Automatic Translation of Languages on which he refers to his prior work at 1952 on the first machine translation conference. I couldn't get my hands on that article anywhere, but I'd wager that it is where the term was first coined as suggested by John Hutchins on his 2001 article Machine translation over fifty years (and number of other articles by him). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.27.78.126 (talk) 11:57, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

 * http://www.isi.edu/natural- 2806:263:8401:751:981E:5E5C:403E:E860 (talk) 09:08, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Language Weaver
Language Weaver, developed in 2005, already translates general text from Spanish to English with a high degree of accuracy, rivaling that of weaker human translators.

I'd love to see a source for this. What metrics they used for the evaluation etc. I don't doubt that LW is a damned fine product (it has Kevin Knight working on it!) :), but for such a large claim we'd need some source. - FrancisTyers 09:11, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello, please help. For 2-3 months now, machine translation into Russian has not been working on Wikipedia Rossiyanka (talk) 15:18, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Commercial software
Edited on 20:03, 20 February 2006 FrancisTyers (→Commercial software - google trans is just repackaged systran)

Not anymore. The one I quoted: http://translate.google.com/translate_t was developed by Franz Och in Google Labs: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/08/machines-do-translating.html

Galilite, 1 March 2006

 * Cool! :) Feel free to re-add this, it might be worth noting on the page that this is an example of a stat mt package available online? - FrancisTyers 12:50, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I've done some testing and read the links and I remain unconvinced, at least for the language pairs that are not labelled BETA:

 * This is a paste from the BBC "This bill brings forward root-and-branch reform I promised ensuring we have a far more comprehensive and co-ordinated system.":

 * SYSTRAN:
 * « Cette facture apporte la réforme vers l'avant de racine-et-branche que je nous ai promis s'assurant ai un système bien plus complet et plus coordonné. »
 * GOOGLE:
 * "cette facture apporte la réforme vers l'avant de racine-et-branche que je nous ai promis s'assurant ai un système bien plus complet et plus coordonné."
 * BABELFISH:
 * "cette facture apporte la réforme vers l'avant de racine-et-branche que je nous ai promis s'assurant ai un système bien plus complet et plus coordonné."

 * It doesn't specifically say on that googleblog link you pasted that translate.google.com is using this statistical method for all translations. I suspect highly that the ones labelled "BETA" on translate.google.com are using the statistical methods. Perhaps this could be pointed out. - FrancisTyers 13:03, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

 * FrancisTyers, thanks for welcoming, correcting me and testing their system. I suspect their announcement and examples with Al Quaeda stuff were pure publicity. Maybe their own MT didn't leave the lab yet. I suggest instead of giving the link to their system quoting their log in another section - after all, it seems significant development. In general, great job cleaning up all this stuff, thanks! - Galilite 09:28, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

 * No problem, this article needs a lot of work, and when I've got some more time and experience I'm going to have a shot at it. If you are interested in machine translation, there are loads of papers at http://www.mt-archive.info :) - FrancisTyers 10:43, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Yep, actually I'm the one who added it to the list :-) . Galilite 21:36, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Image
I created an image from a drawing in John Hutchins Introduction to Machine Translation, it is nice to have an image in the article, but I'm not sure how much it adds :) Btw, anyone can edit that image because it is created as an SVG, there is a free software program to edit it, see Inkscape. - FrancisTyers 10:23, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Picture is worth a thousand words, and IMHO it belongs here. - Galilite 23:44, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Removed history section
The first attempts at machine translation were conducted after World War II. It was assumed at this time that the newly invented computers would have no trouble in translating texts. The reasoning was that computers were able to do complex mathematics quickly, something that humans did with more difficulty. On the other hand, even young children were able to learn to understand human language; therefore, computers could do the same. In actual fact, this belief was soon shown to be incorrect.

On 7 January 1954, the Georgetown-IBM experiment, the first public demonstration of a MT system, was held in New York at the head office of IBM. The demonstration was widely reported in the newspapers and received much public interest. The system itself, however, was no more than what today would be called a "toy" system, having just 250 words and translating just 49 carefully selected Russian sentences into English — mainly in the field of chemistry. Nevertheless it encouraged the view that MT was imminent — and in particular stimulated the financing of MT research, not just in the US but worldwide.

The first serious MT systems were used during the Cold War to parse texts in Russian scientific journals. The rough translations produced were sufficient to understand the "gist" of the articles. If an article discussed a subject deemed to be of security interest, it was sent to a human translator for a complete translation; if not, it was discarded. The governmental support was however cut down in 1966, after the report of ALPAC, a committee established in order to review the investments, which considered that machine translation, despite the expenses, was not likely to reach the quality of a human translator.

Although the ALPAC report had tremendous impact on research in machine translation, there were notable exceptions; SYSTRAN, for example, managed to attract commercial and defence/security customers and survived the decrease of direct governmental funding. Limited field of use systems have also been successful in a number of specialized applications, for instance the METEO System has been used in Canada since 1977 to translate weather forecasts from English to French and now translates close to 80,000 words a day or 30 million words a year.

The advent of low-cost and more powerful computers towards the end of the 20th century brought MT to the masses, as did the availability of sites on the Internet. They are of particular interest to countries in East Asia wishing to export to the North American and European markets.

Much of the effort previously spent on MT research, however, has shifted to the development of computer-assisted translation (CAT) systems, such as translation memories, which are seen to be more successful and profitable. Although the two concepts are similar, machine translation (MT) should not be confused with computer-assisted translation (CAT) (also known as machine-assisted translation (MAT)).

In machine translation, the translator supports the machine, that is to say that the computer or program translates the text, which is then edited by the translator, whereas in computer-assisted translation, the computer program supports the translator, who translates the text himself, making all the essential decisions involved.

 * Removed for new sub article, feel free to merge in stuff from this. - FrancisTyers 15:00, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Removed from Users
It has been reported that in April 2003 Microsoft began using a hybrid MT system for the translation of a database of technical support documents from English to Spanish. The system was developed internally by Microsoft's Natural Language Research group. The group is currently testing an English-Japanese system as well as bringing English-French and English-German systems online. The latter two systems use a learned language generation component, whereas the first two have manually developed generation components. The systems were developed and trained using translation memory databases with over a million sentences each.

Probably true, but I'd like to see a citation. - FrancisTyers · 13:38, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Interesting fact
I have copied the following from talk:Sans-culottes. It's not relevant there. It might be relevant here.- Jmabel | Talk 21:39, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[Begin copied text]
 * "Culottes" is also french for "knickers" or "panties":

http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr?doit=done&intl=1&tt=urltext&trtext=panties&lp=en_fr&btnTrTxt=Translate ("panties" translated into French)

 * "sans" means "Without". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.132.47.53 (talk • contribs) 8 September 2006.

[End copied text]

Standardized English Wikipedia
I have a suggestion for a machine-translatable Wikipedia. The current state of machine translation is that it is not possible to reliably translate natural language. In fact, complete grammars of natural languages have yet to be written.

However, a basic English grammar that fulfills the purposes of most communication would be easy to write in a few dozen augmented context-free rules. The syntax would be unambiguous and therefore more easy to reliably parse by machine. And an unambiguous vocabulary could be developed. This has been done before, for example, by Caterpillar and Xerox, and some others.

Once this grammar and vocabulary were developed, it could be used to start a new standardized English Wikipedia, something like std.wikipedia.org. This Wikipedia would have an automatic standardized grammar checker built-in so that edits would have to be grammatical in order to be saved. That is not as difficult as it sounds, since as an automatically grammar-checked page it can provide grammar hints.

In addition, the vocabulary to the language could be extensible by user suggestion, so that proper names can be added.

This version of Wikipedia would also be somewhat more resistant to idle vandalism.

Once this new Standardized English Wikipedia were in place, it should be possible to develop a program to automatically and (mostly) reliably translate between English and other languages. That is my suggestion. LaggedOnUser 17:05, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

 * If only it were that easy… --Sabik 15:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Something like the Voice of America special English broadcasts that use a carefully chosen restricted vocabulary. For general use, I think machine translation is best for someone who has had a year or two of the foreign language that the machine is translating. That way you can compare the text yourself so you won't be tricked by a "poison cookie" the machine messes up on. Good Wikipedia articles are better than average as targets for machine translation since they are usually fairly well written and don't have overly complex grammar. For example, I've tried using Google Translate's Arabic -> English translation engine. The results are mostly understandable but I wouldn't rely on it since I haven't studied Arabic. However, I did take a year of Russian and feel confident enough that I could puzzle out where the machine messes up so I would be much more confident using machine translation from Russian.DavidCowhig 06:04, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Updated references on Google Translate and Machine Translation
Updated references on Google Translate and machine translation.DavidCowhig 05:53, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

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Rare language
It would be useful to say if there is a free MT project somewhere, and what could be the cost of building such a system for one pair of languages (for instance in term of the capital of a company doing the job). My underlying question is: "Is it reasonable to expect/promote a MT for rare languages, and if yes under which economic model (community, proprietary)? " (I live in Mongolia.)--Henri de Solages 12:46, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Hi, I've replied on your talk page. - Francis Tyers · 15:10, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect theory presented
Article currently states:

> The translation process may be stated as: 1. Decoding the meaning of the source text; and 2. Re-encoding this meaning in the target language. Behind this ostensibly simple procedure lies a complex cognitive operation. <

I think this is false, I can't make much sense of "decode", what should mean exactly is quite blurred. In reality machine translation usally works like this:

Translate from input natural language A to common artificial language X Translate from common artificial language X to output natural language B (where X may be esperanto or other construct)

Not that it matters much, without true AI the net result will always be like "bard in, junk out". 82.131.210.162 18:47, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

hola como estas —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.121.66.43 (talk) 22:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Does anybody know of any other MT applications which can translate English to Hebrew other than Babylon and 1-800-translate ?
If you do, please let me know. Acidburn24m 05:18, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Problems with machine translation
This entry on Language Log gives a cautionary example of what can go wrong when translating from Chinese to English! -- Arwel (talk) 22:59, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

And here is another example of computer-mangled translation [ http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/dewiki/en/Wilfrid_Michael_Voynich] Jackiespeel (talk) 17:26, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Acronyms
MT is not an acronym. It is an abbreviation. An acronym is a word that is formed from the initial letters of other words (e.g. LASER, RADAR).

Stephen Shaw (talk) 00:34, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

ABBYY Compreno
This removal does not seem to be well substantiated. The material is based on multiple independent secondary sources. -- Nazar (talk) 23:16, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I moved more specific details about Compreno to the ABBYY article, as they likely do not fit so well into general MT article. A short summary of the upcoming technology based on previews in Russian IT-News magazines was added after the Applications section. I still encourage the Russian speaking users whom I addressed earlier to additionally confirm the information based on the sources. Thanks. -- Nazar (talk) 20:37, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I am happy to believe your sources (assuming good faith) but this system does not yet exist according to your sources. Adding it to the MT page is therefore premature.  In particular, I see no reason for giving it more weight than major players like Systran or Atlas.  When the system actually exists, then it may be worth adding here, until then I think it fits better in the ABBYY page. Francis Bond (talk) 01:50, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the general MT article should ideally speak about approaches, theory, major obstacles and ways to overcome them (both in functional systems and those being developed). From this point of view it is interesting to mention the USH approach (Russian reviewers actually provided even several examples of small semantic tree fragments), as well as the information about the resulting unprecedented quality of translation (English-Russian-English examples of handling typical difficulties encountered by currently functional MT systems are given in reviews as well). The reviewers' claims actually go as far as calling this technology "a revolution", and, well, if it will work as good as those examples they show, it will be a revolution indeed...
 * But, as to waiting for the existing system to come, ABBYY will likely launch it mostly for the Russian market in the beginning phase of deployment (they usually do that with all their new products). Also, since first versions are expected to translate only between English and Russian (and not so many international reviewers are familiar with Russian), the coverage is likely to be predominantly in Russian sources in the nearest time. The reviews also mention great complexity and engineering challenges of building comprehensive semantic trees, which takes lots of time and human resources.
 * To summarize, I'd suggest describing here at least the general theory of upcoming approach and mention the high expectations about its quality (we'll see in time if they were justified), as well as suggested capacity to overcome the failures of existing systems. -- Nazar (talk) 08:42, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

I've rewritten the summary to neutrally address in short the approaches used and potentials claimed by reviewers. Please don't blank the whole chapter in case of further issues. Discuss, change and improve. Thanks. -- Nazar (talk) 11:12, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Also, I'm not trying to give it more weight than Systran or Atlas. If you have reliable secondary source reviews of these or other MT providers, I encourage you to expand their description in the article, add details about used approaches, evaluations of quality of translation etc. ABBYY is not offering finalized and publicly open MT services at this moment at all. Compreno development is only in beta phase. But ABBYY is undoubtedly a major and serious player on the Russian and international market of OCR, document conversion, document capture, dictionary software, and Computer-assisted translation. In Russia ABBYY would arguably be the No.1 player in these fields (with over 5 million Russian users of its Lingvo and market leadership of FineReader), especially when considering the cross-field coverage of mentioned areas by a single company. -- Nazar (talk) 12:33, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

 * User:Ffbond is on point. The machine translation article has no interest in speculative reporting on upcoming products. Furthermore, WP is not a newspaper or a place for advertising.
 * I looked at 10 references, and only 3 or 4 were about the technology. Endowing university chairs or obtaining major funding does not go to the article's topic. Some references were interviews of ABBYY principals, so they fail as independent sources (they are essentially press releases). The affiliation of the most detailed article was not clear; if by ABBYY employees, it would fail independence. Given the level of detail, I suspect employees. In any event, at this point ABBYY controls the information sources, so even nominally independent sources would be getting their information through ABBYY. I do not see independent secondary source reviews.
 * Glrx (talk) 21:28, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, well... Let's then just link it to the ABBYY article. Like the other titles (many without any refs at all) in the Applications section. -- Nazar (talk) 21:40, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I just want to really quickly agree with Nazar that there are some good sources there; I haven't had enough time to really look in detail, -- Interchange88 ☢ 01:59, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Universal Semantic Hierarchy
Now the Syntactic and Semantic parser based on ABBYY Compreno Linguistic technologies has been presented on the 18th annual International Conference on Computational Linguistics, held in Moscow from May 30th to June 3rd. Would anyone still object to including some info into the article? I was thinking about something like this:

Universal Semantic Hierarchy
Universal Semantic Hierarchy approach had been used in the upcoming ABBYY Compreno technology and presented in several reviews in Russian IT press, as well as analyzed in a presentation during Dialog 2012, the 18th annual International Conference on Computational Linguistics, held in Moscow from May 30th to June 3rd. It is aimed at building an accurate natural-language-independent semantic model of the processed source text with the help of USH trees.

Comments

 * Oppose. The proposal sounds in advertising. The proposal uses a loaded "Universal Semantic Hierarchy". It is about something that is "upcoming" or "aimed at". WP is not a newspaper or a research journal; it should be cautious about reporting on new technology. The long list of references does not meet the notion of independent, reliable, sources. WP also wants secondary sources rather than primary sources. We cannot pass judgment on the merits of new technology based on primary sources; see WP:NOR. We need some authorities to look at that new technology, compare it to other technology, and state why it is significant. WP:UNDUE Glrx (talk) 16:32, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Would you consider joining the discussion here? I'm very doubtful about most of your points above, but let's discuss it there, to avoid double threading. Thanks. -- Nazar (talk) 17:44, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

More publications on Compreno

 * Почему трудно быть IT-Богом? by Анна Солдатова. E-xecutive. 2 Jul 2012 http://www.e-xecutive.ru/education/adviser/1681597/ -- Nazar (talk) 22:17, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * А теперь Compreno by Александр Евдокимов. Hard-n-Soft. H814980/2012/6. Page 18-19. Published: 10 june 2012. -- Nazar (talk) 22:35, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Anatoly Starostin. Using ABBYY Compreno technology for solving various NLP-tasks. The Eighth Spring Researchers Colloquium on Databases and Information Systems 2012. http://syrcodis.ispras.ru/2012/invited-talks -- Nazar (talk) 22:45, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Development of Chinese language lexical-semantic dictionary for the multi-language NLP system http://www.dialog-21.ru/digests/dialog2012/materials/pdf/160.pdf
 * ABBYY инвестирует в понимание http://it-world.ru/news/itnews/182710.html

-- Nazar (talk) 23:07, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

 * Генеральный директор ABBYY Россия о будущем OCR и облачных сервисах. http://www.computerra.ru/interactive/703174/

-- Nazar (talk) 13:41, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

 * ABBYY Compreno Technology: Semantic to understand the meaning! http://www.abbyy-developers.eu/en:tech:linguistic:semanitc-intro
 * От автоматической обработки текста к машинному пониманию http://www.polit.ru/article/2013/03/26/vladimir_selegey/
 * ABBYY Compreno Technology White paper http://www.abbyy-developers.eu/_media/en:tech:linguistic:en_linguistic_technologies_abbyy_compreno_technology_white_paper.pdf

-- Nazar (talk) 13:53, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

 * ABBYY pushes the boundaries of computer linguistics http://rbth.ru/society/2013/02/12/abbyy_pushes_the_boundaries_of_computer_linguistics_22785.html -- Nazar (talk) 18:26, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed
Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: http://www.mt-archive.info/EAMT-2003-Babych.pdf. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. Glrx (talk) 16:03, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you please provide citations of large pieces of material copied from the source? Why haven't you made attempts to work on a shorter resume of the mentioned material in the article? -- Nazar (talk) 16:36, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Crowd sourced translation
This series of edits is not really about machine translation or the narrowly defined hybrid translation. Consequently, I believe they are off topic and should be deleted. The appropriate place would be in an article involving human translators. Glrx (talk) 19:35, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Separate Page that might need to be incorporated into the main page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowdsourcing_as_Human-Machine_Translation This topic seems an odd choice to have it's own page, especially due to its title. I do not know if it would be better off under the Crowdsourcing page or the Machine translation page. I will add this same post to the Crowdsourcing page. StartlingCanary2 (talk) 16:02, 17 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by StartlingCanary2 (talk • contribs)

Redirection from "Machine Translations" means no link to the musical act of that name
As subject says, when I enter "machine translations" in to Wiki search, it redirects directly to this page. Yet there is a wikipedia page called "Machine Translations" discussing to the musical act of that name. To get to that page I have to search for ("J. Walker" "machine translations") in its entirety. Could some competent wiki editor fix this situation please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.175.66.57 (talk) 12:12, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

 * ✅ — ¾-10 22:52, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Problems with neural machine translation
I am working on neural machine translation (NMT), so I thought I'd contribute to Wikipedia by adding what I know. My section on NMT was removed from this page ten days ago because of the following reasons: no secondary sources and WP:COI. NMT is quite a specialized field with few experts, so adding my paper didn't seem like a transgression, but I decided to comply and removed the reference to my work. I also took the trouble to find a popular reference to NMT in the PC World magazine and another site.

Two days ago, my revised contribution was reverted again by the same person. This time, the explanation went: Following link tripped Antivirus software; No secondary sources; take to talk page. So I'm taking it to the talk page. It seems that my computer is not so sensitive to viruses, because those links tripped nothing on it. I guess other users could test them.

Finally, I am amazed at the strictness shown here regarding the sources. If PC World is not a secondary source, then what is? I don't think the New York Times will ever have an article on neural machine translation. Aren't you being too demanding? --Krz.wolk (talk) 00:46, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

 * First, triggering an antivirus warning is a bad thing.
 * Wikipedia is not supposed to cover all knowledge. It is an encyclopedia, and the articles that it covers need to due weight. That basically says the subtopic should be covered in some reference texts about machine translation or that some prominent authorities tell Wikipedia that the subtopic is important. If that isn't the case, then "If a viewpoint is held by an extremely small (or vastly limited) minority, it does not belong on Wikipedia, regardless of whether it is true or you can prove it, except perhaps in some ancillary article."
 * The PC World article is not a secondary source. The author, Loek Essers, does not claim to be an expert on translation but rather just a correspondent: "Loek Essers focuses on online privacy, intellectual property, open source, and online payment issues for the IDG News Service." More significantly, Essers is not judging the merits of neural network translation but rather just quoting others: "The neural network is able to derive grammatical functions of words without having explicit knowledge of the grammar, said Ke Tran, one of the researchers." He's not providing an independent assessment, so the article is a primary source. Wikipedia needs secondary sources to tell us the work is relevant. BTW, the article reads like a reworked press release.
 * My impression is neural network translation is a new research field that is small and immature.
 * It's also clear that you have a conflict of interest. Your work may be very good, the field may be promising, but the topic is not prominent enough yet. It may be good for you to raise the profile of the neural network translation, but Wikipedia is not the place for such a campaign. When the profile is high enough, then it is reasonable for WP to cover it.
 * Glrx (talk) 01:46, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
 * While hoping I am not being too stubborn, I feel I need to point out two issues, which are unrelated to each other:
 * (1) Why are the other "Approaches" subtopics more relevant than mine when at least three of them have no secondary sources: Transfer-based machine translation, Interlingual machine translation and Dictionary-based machine translation? This was pointed out in 2009 already. In fact, Transfer-based machine translation has no sources at all, either primary or secondary.
 * (2) Let us assume that neural machine translation is not relevant enough to warrant a subtopic in this article. But the facts that it is the object of serious scientific papers and that PC World considered it serious enough to dedicate an article to it should be enough for it to be mentioned, at least. Could I not add a sentence somewhere in this article? An either/or policy, where a thing is either a subtopic or nothing at all, would be extremely rigid and discriminatory.
 * --Krz.wolk (talk) 01:21, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not an argument that carries weight. Maybe the other approaches should be tagged and/or removed. One of the articles has been tagged. The other articles should be tagged for using primary sources. At least two of the articles make colorable claims to notability. If I search for "dictionary-based machine translation", I get lots of hits -- including a hit in an encyclopedia. If I search for "neural network machine translation", I only get two pages of hits, and they say it is a new research topic.
 * PC World looks like a reworked press release and quotes primary sources rather than evaluates them. It is neither an independent nor a secondary source. The issue is WP:DUE. Glrx (talk) 02:10, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Neural machine translation is an exploding field of enormous importance. I was shocked to find no mention of it here. Is its exclusion perhaps an unintentional POV problem? Or is the problem that so many of the papers are so recent because the field is moving so fast? See: Google Scholar, "neural machine translation" 85.47.30.142 (talk) 21:39, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The state of this article is embarrassing. There is not a single reference to Transformers, the most important method ever devised to tackle machine translation. Just look at the scores on . The article must be written from the ground up in order to focus on recent advances. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmilianPostolache (talk • contribs) 00:35, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Problems with the absence of neural machine translation
Inasmuch as neural machine translation is the new state of the art, the absence of any reference to this body of research on this page is an embarrassment. Google Translate has switched over to the neural technology for its main language pairs. See: “Google’s Neural Machine Translation System: Bridging the Gap between Human and Machine Translation” (2016) and “Google’s Multilingual Neural Machine Translation System: Enabling Zero-Shot Translation” (2016). You can Google for them on the Arxiv. 195.77.247.14 (talk) 18:14, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Claude Piron
His comments on MT are more or less repeated in the Disambiguation and later the Evaluation section - the first time he's 'Claude Piron, a long-time translator for the United Nations...', and the second time he's 'The late Claude Piron...', as if he hasn't already been mentioned. Looks like the article hasn't been properly edited.213.127.210.95 (talk) 15:14, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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Machine_translation error, and resulting "Missing or empty |title= (help)" --36.80.170.118 (talk) 04:07, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Léon Dostert
I find it quite strange that this name is not mentioned in the Article as almost a full chapter is dedicated to him in as a major acting force in the development of MT. TomyDuby (talk) 15:26, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

2000 POV
This is a weirdly outdated article, with a POV stuck in the year 2000 or thereabouts. At this point, MT is used all over the world, and systems like GoogleTranslate and DeepL provide very high quality fully automated MT. There is no discussion of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer_(machine_learning_model) that made this possible. I'd be happy to add material but from the talk page it seems some of the editors are actively hostile to NMT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SnoTraveller (talk • contribs) 21:34, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Introduction
The first sentence: Machine translation ... is a sub-field of computational linguistics ... - is that not secondary to what it actually is: automatic translation of texts from one language into another language by a computer program? Wammes Waggel (talk) 12:32, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Addition to Application Section
If you all don't mind, I am going to add a new subsection in the Applications section about MT use in law, since it is being investigated and I feel that it is significant due to the importance and difficulty of accurate translating in the legal sector. I'm also going to add a little bit to the medical applications subsection that goes into depth about research regarding MT use.

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Nigel Godrich

Nigel Timothy Godrich (born 28 February 1971) is an English record producer, recording engineer and musician. He has worked with acts including Radiohead, Travis, Beck, Air, Paul McCartney, U2, R.E.M., Pavement, Roger Waters, Arcade Fire, and Idles.

Early in his career, Godrich worked as the house engineer at RAK Studios, London, under the producer John Leckie. He met Radiohead while working on their second album, The Bends (1995), at RAK. Radiohead hired him to produce OK Computer (1997), which was a major success and brought him attention from major artists. He has produced all of their albums since, along with several projects with the Radiohead members Thom Yorke and Jonny Greenwood. Godrich won the Grammy Award for Best Engineered Non-Classical Album for the 2003 Radiohead album Hail to the Thief.

Godrich is a member of the bands Atoms for Peace (with Yorke) and Ultraísta. In 2006, he launched the music webseries From the Basement. In 2010, Godrich and Beck composed the score for Scott Pilgrim vs. the World, Godrich's first film work.

Early years and education
Nigel Godrich was born in Westminster, London, the son of Victor Godrich, a BBC sound supervisor, and Brenda Godrich. He was fascinated by recording at an early age. As a child, after he asked for a machine to make records, his father bought him a cassette machine; Godrich used it to make recordings of his television, train sets and running water.

Godrich was educated at William Ellis School in North West London, where he shared classes with his friend and the future Zero 7 member Henry Binns. Godrich began playing guitar, inspired by Jimi Hendrix and Frank Zappa. He first visited a recording studio at the age of 16, when his band recorded a demo at Elephant Studios, Wapping, and spent time asking the engineer questions. He studied at the School of Audio Engineering (SAE), London.

Career
After graduating from SAE, Godrich became a junior staff member at the Audio One studio complex, working as a tea boy. He did not enjoy his time there. According to Godrich, "With a beeper in my pocket, I'd wait next to the kettle, ready to deliver my hot beverages. I wasn't even allowed in the studios, but I [would] hang there thinking, 'OK, it's only the first rung, but at least I'm on the ladder.'"

After the closure of Audio One, in 1990 Godrich worked at RAK Studios, London, first as a messenger and later as a studio assistant. He would stay late at night, inviting musician friends to play there while he practised recording them. At RAK, he became a tape operator for the producer John Leckie, with whom he worked on albums by Ride and Denim.

After four years, Godrich left RAK to go freelance and set up his own studio, Shabang, where he planned to create dance music. Six months later, he was hired to engineer and mix The Sound Of... McAlmont & Butler (1995), the debut album by McAlmont & Butler. Godrich said it was a "brilliant experience" and credited Bernard Butler with teaching him how to produce records.

Radiohead
Godrich first worked with the rock band Radiohead when John Leckie hired him at RAK to engineer their EP My Iron Lung (1994) and their second album, The Bends (1995). The band nicknamed him "Nihilist", approving of his efforts to take their sound in new directions. When Leckie left the studio to attend a social engagement, Radiohead and Godrich stayed to record B-sides. One song, "Black Star", was instead included on The Bends. In 1995, Godrich produced Radiohead's charity single "Lucky", plus the B-sides "Bishop's Robes" and "Talk Show Host", released on the 1996 single "Street Spirit (Fade Out)".

Radiohead invited Godrich to co-produce their third album, OK Computer (1997). It won Best Alternative Album at the 40th Grammy Awards and sold more than 4.5 million copies worldwide. Working in improvised studios without supervision, Godrich and the band learned as they went, and credited the success to the open process. In 2013, Godrich told the Guardian: "OK Computer was such a big thing for me because I was given power for the first time. Some of these incredibly intelligent and insightful people said 'do what you want' to me so I worked my arse off for them and together we did something that represents where we all were at the time. And it stuck for some reason. People got it, so that changed my life."

Godrich has produced every Radiohead studio album since. He won the Grammy Award for Best Engineered Non-Classical Album for their sixth album, Hail to the Thief (2003). For their seventh album, In Rainbows (2007), Radiohead initially hired a new producer, Spike Stent. According to the guitarist Ed O'Brien, Radiohead wanted to get out of the "comfort zone" by working with a new producer, and the bassist, Colin Greenwood, said Godrich was busy working with Charlotte Gainsbourg and Beck. Radiohead re-enlisted Godrich after their sessions with Stent proved fruitless.

Godrich's father died during the recording of Radiohead's ninth album, A Moon Shaped Pool (2016). Godrich wrote: "Making this album was a very intense experience for me. I lost my dad in the process. Hence a large piece of my soul lives here in a good way." Godrich provided sound design for Kid A Mnesia Exhibition (2021), an interactive experience created for the anniversary of Kid A and Amnesiac.

In 2006, CBC described Godrich's collaboration with Radiohead as "the most adventurous band-producer partnership in modern rock". He has been dubbed the band's "sixth member", an allusion to Beatles producer George Martin being called the "fifth Beatle". Godrich also plays Chieftain Mews, a long-running character who appears in Radiohead's promotional material.

Side projects
Godrich has produced most of the solo work by the Radiohead singer, Thom Yorke, including his albums The Eraser (2006), Tomorrow's Modern Boxes (2014) and Anima (2019). Yorke credits Godrich with helping edit his work, identifying which parts need improvement and which have potential. He gave the example of the Eraser song "Black Swan", which originally was "a six-minute load of crap, except for this one juicy bit, and [Godrich] goes past and goes, 'That bit. Fuck the rest.' Usually it's something like that."

Godrich said: "When we were in a room when it's with Radiohead ... I'm trying to manage a relationship between [Yorke] and the band and it's me butting heads with him and trying to work on behalf of the band. As soon as he and I were alone, we found that the dynamic was completely different, we were pulling in the same direction and it was incredibly productive."

In 2009, to perform songs from The Eraser, Godrich and Yorke formed Atoms for Peace, with Godrich on guitar, keyboards and synthesisers. The band also includes the bassist Flea of the Red Hot Chili Peppers, the drummer Joey Waronker of Beck and R.E.M., and the percussionist Mauro Refosco of Forro in the Dark. Their debut album, Amok, produced by Godrich, was released in 2013, followed by a tour of Europe, the US and Japan. Godrich engineered Junun, a 2015 album by the Radiohead guitarist Jonny Greenwood, the Israeli composer Shye Ben Tzur and the Indian ensemble the Rajasthan Express, recorded at Mehrangarh Fort in Rajasthan, India.

Godrich produced A Light for Attracting Attention (2022), the debut album by the Smile, a band comprising Yorke, Greenwood and the drummer Tom Skinner. The Guardian critic Alexis Petridis said the Smile "sound like a simultaneously more skeletal and knottier version of Radiohead", exploring more progressive rock influences with unusual time signatures, complex riffs and "hard-driving" motorik psychedelia. Godrich mixed Jarak Qaribak, a 2023 album by Greenwood and the Israeli rock musician Dudu Tasaa.

Other projects
Following his success with OK Computer, Godrich mixed most of Natalie Imbruglia's hit album Left of the Middle (1997) and R.E.M.'s Up (1998). Godrich produced three albums by the American singer-songwriter Beck: Mutations (1998), Sea Change (2002) and The Information (2006). The first two, particularly Sea Change, were noted for their atmospheric folk/pop sound, a departure from the spontaneous, sample-heavy style Beck was known for.

Godrich produced several albums by Travis, including their commercial breakthrough, The Man Who (1999), and its followup, The Invisible Band (2001). According to the Travis songwriter, Fran Healy, Godrich was frustrated after the gruelling sessions for Radiohead's albums Kid A and Amnesiac, and so "took it out on us because he couldn't take it out on Radiohead". The mood settled after an argument. Healy felt it was good for Godrich to work with "melodic" bands such as Travis as well as more experimental acts such as Radiohead. Godrich co-produced the Travis albums The Boy With No Name (2007) with Brian Eno and Mike Hedges.

Godrich produced Pavement's final album, Terror Twilight (1999), with Radiohead's Jonny Greenwood contributing harmonica on two tracks. Godrich, a fan of the band, hoped to help them find a bigger audience with a less "sloppy" record. Songwriter Stephen Malkmus later described the album as "overproduced" and described conflicts with Godrich. In response, Godrich tweeted: "I literally slept on a friend's floor in NYC to be able to make that album." In 2020, Godrich said that he loved the album and had enjoyed making it.

In 2001, Godrich remixed U2's "Walk On" for its single release, and mixed and contributed production to Air's albums Talkie Walkie (2004) and Pocket Symphony (2007). In 2002, Godrich was hired to produce the second album by the Strokes, Room on Fire (2003). He was fired when their work, according to the band, proved "soulless". Godrich said of the failed collaboration: "The problem there was that me and [singer Julian Casablancas] are just too similar, we're both control freaks. He wanted to do it his way, I wanted to do it my way, and obviously that's the point of me being there. And I'm saying 'Well, why am I here if you're not prepared to try and do it the way I want to do it?' We got on great, it was just one of those laughable things where it just doesn't work. I wanted them to change, and they didn't."

Godrich produced the 20th-anniversary version of "Do They Know It's Christmas?", released in December 2004, which featured Yorke and Greenwood. Paul McCartney hired Godrich to produce his album Chaos and Creation in the Backyard (2005) after being recommended by Beatles producer George Martin. Godrich fired McCartney's touring band and demanded that McCartney abandon songs Godrich found clichéd, over-sentimental, or subpar. The album was nominated for several Grammy Awards, including Album of the Year, and Godrich was nominated for Producer of the Year.

In 2010, Godrich and Beck composed the score for Scott Pilgrim vs. the World, Godrich's first film work. In October 2012, Godrich, along with Joey Waronker and singer Laura Bettinson, released an album as Ultraísta. In 2015, he produced the live album Roger Waters: The Wall, and made a cameo as a Stormtrooper in Star Wars: The Force Awakens. He mixed the Red Hot Chili Peppers' eleventh studio album, The Getaway (2016). Godrich produced the fifth solo album by Roger Waters, Is This the Life We Really Want?, released in June 2017. Godrich, a fan of Waters' work with Pink Floyd, was critical of Waters' previous solo work and felt his role as producer was to "encourage him, to push him a little bit". During the COVID-19 pandemic, Godrich worked with the Arcade Fire in isolation in El Paso, Texas, producing their album We (2022).

From the Basement (2006–2009)
In September 2006, it was announced that Godrich, along with producer Dilly Gent, producer James Chads and John Woollcombe, were shooting the music series From the Basement, filmed from London's Maida Vale Studios. The series focused on intimate, live performances by musicians without a host or an audience. Godrich said, "I'm really interested to capture some really iconic, bigger names– really the whole point is to get people who are having their moment, to try and get a definitive record of what they're doing."

Godrich conceived From the Basement as a means of authentically documenting music being made. Drawing further inspiration from British television music series The Old Grey Whistle Test, Godrich came upon the idea of a television programme. Despite early reports, From the Basement did not initially appear on British television, because of not taking on corporate sponsors.

When the pilot was in production, From the Basement was to be an online programme only. However, this was not feasible as it did not generate enough money to produce the episodes to the quality level desired. Instead, the producers went to international TV networks to receive money up front to produce the series. The series did eventually air on television; the first UK broadcast was on Sky Arts on 1 December 2007, featuring four songs performed by Thom Yorke on 8 December 2007. The United States premiere was on Rave HD on 22 February 2008, followed by a run on Independent Film Channel, as part of the network's "Automat" block of television programmes in the autumn of 2008. On 3 November 2008, the series was released on DVD. A new series of From the Basement began on YouTube in May 2022, featuring acts including Idles, Warpaint and Caribou.

Approach and influences
Godrich credited the producers Phil Thornalley, John Leckie and Steve Lillywhite for teaching him his craft, saying they were "people I watched directly and emulated". He named his "heroes" as the Beatles producer George Martin, for "inventing the job", and Trevor Horn, for being "the thing that really made me sit up and listen". He said Joni Mitchell was his favourite artist, citing her "unique combination of musical and lyrical talent".

Godrich said that although he enjoys listening to "clinical" and "shiny" music, he works best creating "organic" sounds: "Making a dark brown soup was more my skill, [rather] than making a big fairy cake." He does not approach acts he produces; instead, he waits for them to contact him, as "I'm not under any illusion that I can improve someone I'm already a fan of".

Godrich said he believes people place too much emphasis on studio equipment and "trickery", which is less important than musical sensibility and communication. He said: "I get very annoyed with people asking me what my favourite microphone is. It doesn't matter ... One of the reasons why music has become generally worse, and I'm sorry to say that, is that people think about technology more than the actual music they're making." He feels that "the recording process is best when fast, because it's then the smallest obstacle to the actual music".

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User talk:Wmahan/Articles with common misspellings (0-F)

My first English teacher told me "I before E except after C", so I naturally spelt chief as cheif. Her mistake was not telling me how far after C.
 * No problem. I know you weren't completely serious, but an interesting discussion of the rule is at . Wmahan. 20:04, 2004 May 6 (UTC)


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Harald III

Harald III (or Harold III) may refer to:

 * Harald III of Norway (1015–1066), well known as Harald Hadrada ("hard ruler")
 * Harald III of Denmark (1041–1080), well known as Harald Hen ("whetstone")
 * Harald III, Earl of Orkney or Harald Eiriksson ( 1190s)

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Vic

Vic, vic or VIC may refer to:

People and fictional characters

 * Vic (name), a list of people, fictional characters and mascots with the given name
 * V.I.C. (rapper) (born 1987), stage name of an American rapper

Places

 * Vic, Spain, a town and municipality in Barcelona Province
 * Victoria (state), a state in Australia abbreviated Vic
 * Mount Vic, a mountain in British Columbia, Canada
 * Vič District, Ljubljana, Slovenia
 * Vič, a former village, now part of Ljubljana
 * Vič, Dravograd, a village in northern Slovenia

Government and military

 * Vic., abbreviation used when referring to Acts of Parliament in the United Kingdom, indicating an act during the reign of Victoria, e.g. 23 Vic
 * Vehicle Identity Check, a former car ownership regulation in the UK
 * Veteran identification card, issued by the United States Department of Veterans Affairs
 * Vic formation, a fighter formation first used in the First World War
 * Victualling Inshore Craft, a type of Royal Navy auxiliary vessel during the Second World War

Science and technology

 * Vicinal (chemistry), a compound geometry in chemistry
 * Valve interstitial cells, the cell most prevalent in the heart valve
 * Voltage-gated ion channels, proteins that carry charged ions across cell membranes
 * Voice interface card, a hardware interface in telecommunications and networking
 * MOS Technology VIC, or Video Interface Chip, used in the VIC-20 home computer
 * Virtual interface card, a Cisco network adapter
 * VMware Infrastructure Client, a software used to connect to VMware virtualization systems

Arts and entertainment

 * The Vic Theatre, a music venue in Chicago, Illinois opened in 1912
 * Vegas Vic, an unofficial name for a Las Vegas neon sign erected in 1951
 * Vic (film), a 2006 short film directed by Sage Stallone
 * Villagers of Ioannina City, a Greek folk rock band formed in 2007
 * VIC (TV series), a 2018 Chinese drama

Other uses

 * VIC, ISO 639-3 code for Virgin Islands Creole, an English-based creole language
 * VIC, National Rail code of London Victoria station
 * Visitor information center, a place that provides information to tourists or other visitors
 * Visitor interpretive center, an institution for dissemination of knowledge of natural or cultural heritage
 * Vadodara Innovation Council, a non-profit associated with National Innovation Council of India
 * Vienna International Centre, the campus and building complex hosting the United Nations Office at Vienna
 * Virginia Intermont College, a small private Baptist liberal arts college in Bristol, Virginia
 * VIC cipher, a cipher used by Soviet spy Reino Häyhänen
 * UE Vic, a Spanish football club based in Vic, Catalonia, Spain

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Zompist.com

Zompist.com is a website created by Mark Rosenfelder a.k.a. Zompist, a conlanger. It features essays on comics, politics, language, and science, as well as a detailed description of Rosenfelder's constructed world, Almea. The website is also the home of The Language Construction Kit, Rosenfelder's article introducing new conlangers to the hobby.

Many features of the site have been noted by the press, including its culture tests, humorous excerpts from phrase books, its collection of numbers in over 5000 languages, and The Language Construction Kit.

The Language Construction Kit
The Language Construction Kit was originally a collection of HTML documents written by Rosenfelder and hosted at Zompist.com intended to be a guide for making constructed languages. The LCK proceeds from the simplest aspects of language upward, starting with phonology and writing systems, moving on to words, going through the complexities of grammar, and ending with an overview of registers and dialects. This sensible progression, as well as the warnings against common oversights, frequent use of examples from natural languages, and healthy dose of humor, has earned the LCK its popular and respected status among the Internet conlanging community. It has been translated into Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, and German by fans, and came out in book form in March 2010. Rosenfelder has published several follow-up works: Advanced Language Construction and The Conlanger's Lexipedia, which get into more detail on certain aspects of conlanging, and The Planet Construction Kit, which is geared towards creating whole fantasy worlds. In 2015, Rosenfelder published the China Construction Kit.

The Zompist Bulletin Board
The website has a corresponding bulletin board, formerly hosted with SpinnWebe but now with its own domain at www.verduria.org. The Zompist Bulletin Board (often abbreviated ZBB) is an online forum created for the purpose of discussing conlangs, conworlds, and Mark Rosenfelder's own constructed world, Almea. Members of the board share and showcase their own conlangs and conworlds, as well as discuss aspects of the world's languages.

Almea
Almea is a fictional world constructed by Mark Rosenfelder, which Zompist.com is mainly dedicated to. It is populated by several races, known as the Thinking Kinds. The Thinking kinds include the humans, the ktuvoks (swamp mammals with reptile characteristics considered demons by most Almean humans), the iliî (singular form iliu, ancient wise aquatic race, playing a role similar to elves in Tolkien's mythos), the flaids (said to be 'friendly but insane'), the elcari (hard-working mountain dwellers comparable to Tolkien's dwarves), and the icëlani (more primitive relatives of humans). Almea's main continent, Ereláe, has several nations, including Verduria, which is the most detailed and closest Almean counterpart to real-life countries, Dhekhnam, which is a ktuvok empire (meaning that humans function as slaves to the ktuvoks there), Xurno, a nation ruled by artists, and Skouras, a detailed maritime nation. Ereláe also has a detailed historical atlas, which was inspired by the New Penguin Historical Atlases. In addition to the various atlases and languages, there is also a wiki called the Almeopedia, which works as an encyclopedic reference. The part of the website devoted to Almea, Virtual Verduria, also includes a range of stories and guides to various subjects, including drawing and maps.

Languages of Almea described on the website include:

 * Verdurian
 * Ismaîn
 * Barakhinei
 * Caďinor
 * Sarroc
 * Cuêzi
 * Axunašin
 * Xurnese
 * Proto-Eastern
 * Kebreni
 * Munkhâshi
 * Wede:i
 * Old Skourene
 * Elkarîl
 * Flaidish
 * Uyseʔ
 * Lé
 * Dhekhnami
 * Obenzayet
 * Bhöɣetan
 * Šɯk

Most words in those languages have etymologies, being derived from proto-languages (like Proto-Eastern above) by means of sound changes, and are given historical backgrounds, resulting in the presence of loan-words.

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Talk:Situs inversus

prevalence
The e-medicine article suggest 0.01% (1 in 10,000) of population is afflicted with Situs inversus, we appear to use this statistic. http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/901226430.html suggests 1 in 7000 to 8000 is afflicted. Which shall we use? --OldakQuill 19:57, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
 * 0.01% might be a rounded figure. Fredrik 20:19, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
 * This page gives 1:8500. Ksheka 13:02, May 8, 2004 (UTC)
 * This page suggests 2 out of 118,012 patients, whereas this one suggests 1 in 8,000. Well, it's rare, just exactly how rare I'm not sure ... Alex.tan 18:37, 9 May 2004 (UTC)

background
The developmental biology of Situs inversus must be governed by the action potential which orders the formation of the tissues of the inverted organs. Ancheta Wis 03:10, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

In particular, the heart is really a spiral of muscle (see Hermann Weyl's book on Symmetry; thus the heart in Situs inversus may be also a inverted spiral as well) Ancheta Wis 03:10, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

When a genetic marker for this condition is discovered, it ought to be possible to detect a difference in action potential during the transition from morula to blastula, as compared to the usual development stages.Ancheta Wis 10:25, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

I've got a book at home with loads on the history of how situs invertus was first discovered. If I get time over the weekend (which actually is probably unlikely) I'll add it in. Otherwise, if anyone wants to look it up and do it themselves, the book is Left Hand, Right Hand (and there's plenty of info at the book's website). --ALargeElk 13:36, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
 * What is actually missing is an attempt to explain this down to the molecular reasons for this. After all, everyone starts as a single cell, so the development for a situs inversus must have something remarkable, and I am sure this was described in detail already. Now only wikipedia needs to get this info... ;) 80.108.103.172 (talk) 02:03, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

images
Does anyone know of any free images of this? I suppose mirroring regular x-rays won't do. Fredrik 09:47, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
 * why not ;-) e 02:05, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

 * [[Image:Heart-and-lungs.jpg|thumb]] - Mirror this? (and remove labels)Bensaccount 04:18, 13 May 2004 (UTC)

 * urg... a good start, but I'm not personally a fan of those old gray's images - all that texture hides the point... anybody got anything clearer? don't forget it affects the abdomen as well. --e 14:20, 13 May 2004 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure it's the best picture, but here's the reversed version with labels removed in case a better one isn't found. Angela. 21:58, May 13, 2004 (UTC)

anatomy
I do not at all understand the meaning of this: Individuals with situs inversus that require transplantation of solid organs (e.g., the liver) may have issues regarding managing the altered anatomy they present with. "Regarding managing" and "present with" aren't even proper English, I think, but I don't understand this well enough to clarify it. Also, I think it'd be nice to know something more about these issues. Nickptar 00:29, 11 May 2004 (UTC)
 * this is just a 'left' shoe on 'right' foot problem - could be said clearer tho. e 02:05, 11 May 2004 (UTC)
 * The syntax "presents with" is normal doctor-speak. As for the rest, Erich gasboy|e is right.  Blood vessels and nerves don't quite match up.  Teflon Don 03:33, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Teflon Don is right. The problem is the fact that the nerves and blood vessels don't match up. In order to get a heart transplant, a person with situs inversus would have to get a heart from someone else with the same condition.

Can someone please delete the UNM student from historical people?
It's like me putting my name under cystinuria. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 139.225.163.202 (talk) 23:31, 5 May 2007 (UTC). 139.225.163.202 23:31, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

handedness?
Are situs inversus people more likely to be left-handed (because the more common right-handedness gets switched to the other side)? Thanks, 68.6.41.238 04:23, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I have situs inversus with dextrocardia and am right handed... so i dunno if it affects everyone else, but not myself. 198.108.80.10 (talk) 02:00, 4 September 2008 (UTC)Alex

 * In a word, yes. However, as you can see, not all are left-handed. HairyWombat (talk) 17:57, 5 June 2010 (

 * i also have situs inversus totalis with dextrocardia and i am left handed. my question is, why do i do everything backwards. for example: i play a right handed guitar-left handed, without reversing the strings (like jimi hendrix). i write left handed, throw left handed, and i do most things left handed. but there are alot of things i do really well right handed like battin, golfing, my right arm is stronger than my left. another question is, my fiance' and i recently found out that she is pregnant... what is the likelyhood that our child will have my disorder and shes not a carrier. i also had a VSD repair in 1991 and i was born with it. thank you :) george doherty gloucester ma.

 * Since people without this condition may be left or right handed and it's not uncommon for someone to bat or play guitar opposite their normally dominant hand, individual anecdotes aren't sufficient to answer this question. We'd really have to look at percentage of right and left-handedness for those with this condition vs those without to determine if this condition reverses 'handedness' or not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neonpolaris (talk • contribs) 16:58, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

 * It would seem not: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1691902/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neonpolaris (talk • contribs) 17:01, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Chances of inheritance
Since our only child was born with situs inversus totalis does this mean that when we decide to have another one that he/she will have it to? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.128.10.153 (talk) 04:07, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

 * If neither of you have it then your odds of having another child with it are 1 in 4 but 3/4 of your kids will be carriers. If one of you has it you have a 50-50 chance for any other children and all your kids will be carriers.  If both of you have it all of your children will also.  This is what is meant by autozomal recessive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.66.14.94 (talk) 19:39, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

My son has Situs Inversus Totalis with PCD(primary ciliary dyskenesia). Which all together are called Kartagener's syndrome. I have been told by my doctors that, Inheritance of the condition where both parents are carriers is 1/4 chance as it is a recessive gene. A 2/4 chance of children being carriers and 1/4 chance of non carrier(non affected). If the above people have a child with the condition it suggests they both have the gene either as a carrier or as affected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.107.207.162 (talk) 22:18, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Enrique Iglesias
From descriptions in the Enrique Iglesias article, it seems that statements by Mr. Iglesias regarding his anatomy should not be taken seriously. Absent other evidence, I don't think he should be included in the list of notable people with this condition. Perhaps he could be included as a fictional character? Cstaffa (talk) 22:04, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Per WP:BLP, since there was no source, I removed the mention of him from this article, along with two other unsourced names. Situs inversus is (no longer?) mentioned in the Enrique Iglesias article, but it does mention that "Iglesias is very well known for not taking the media seriously and has consistently joked about a wide variety of matters", so it seems unlikely that he should be listed here. Siawase (talk) 11:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Harmful?
Apart from potential complications with diagnosis or organ transplation, does situs inversus cause any medical problems, or does the reversed anatomy function normally? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.111.174.183 (talk) 15:42, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Providing the situs inversus is complete then everything functions normally. People with situs inversus live just as long as people without this condition. HairyWombat (talk) 01:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Heart transplant
53 year old Jack Eigel, with Situs Inversus, recently had a normal heart transplanted. http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/reversed-organs-miracle-heart-transplant-man-situs-inversus/Story?id=8629850&page=1

The Plattner Story
Just thought id mention that The Platner Story by H.G. wells was also about a man with Situs Inversus —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.25.192.4 (talk) 00:26, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Ninja Assassin
In the recent film, "Ninja Assassin," staring Korean film singer Rain and the great Sho Kosugi, situs plays a prevalent role in the plot. (SPOILER WARNING!!!)  An early reveal features an old man that once survived a ninja attack serendipitously due to the condition. This is a set-up to justify the eventual survival of another key character (female) due to the same condition. This would make a valid addition to the "in fiction" section. 67.161.39.188 (talk) 08:58, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Only living case ?
This report in telegraph.co.uk says a '64-year-old could be the only man in the world whose internal organs are in the mirror opposite position of where they should be' and this 'is thought to be the only living case of "situs inversus".' But going by the article this is not so rare. Did telegraph.co.uk get the name wrong or is there a even more rarer sub-category of the condition ? --Mgtm7m (talk) 15:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

 * This is not just a case of situs inversus; the newspaper reporter got it wrong. The patient has no small intestine, two livers, plus other abnormalities. HairyWombat (talk) 18:05, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the clarification -Mgtm7m (talk) 09:37, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Preocupante?
Hello I'm Deborah varca are in Turin and I have 20 years I have discovered the statum viscerum inversum the age of 13 years does not mean anything preocupante true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.244.88.80 (talk) 15:08, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Google translates "preocupante" as "some worrying". If your situs inversus viscerum is complete then no, there is no need to worry. People with situs inversus live just as long as people without this condition. If you ever need major surgery then make sure they know, and if you ever need an organ transplant then there can be problems as the new organ may not "fit". HairyWombat (talk) 01:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Overabundance of Fictional Examples
The length of the fictional examples of characters with this condition is nearly as long as the rest of the content of the article. That seems excessive. What's the guideline on stuff like this? You sure as heck don't make a list of everyone in fiction with, say, blue eyes. 76.98.145.131 (talk) 19:36, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Image regarding situs inversus and KS
Since the editor seems pretty adamant about inserting the image, I wanted to see if perhaps it was just me. Is this accurate? Before removing the image for a third time, I wanted to try to discuss this, and if I'm wrong, awesome, I'll stop removing the image, but from my understanding, this description is inaccurate. I didn't see any sources supporting the description that situs inversus is "due to" KS, and to my understanding, KS is defined by the presence of situs inversus, situs inversus is never "caused by" KS. - SudoGhost 15:04, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

 * It's not just you. KS is a syndrome which includes SI; it's not a cause of SI. In any case, I doubt that the image should be used, as the text error has been embedded within the image itself, and the latter is identified as "own work" (student? patient?). It seems preferable, imho, to illustrate the article using images and descriptors from reliable medical sources. Haploidavey (talk) 15:17, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The user has returned from being blocked to continue to reinsert the image without discussion, so I thought I'd comment on this. The user is apparently inserting a new version of the image without the "KS causes SI" wording, but I agree that an image that is one's "own work" doesn't really belong on the article when there are images from reliable medical sources available, and certainly not without any sort of discussion first. - SudoGhost 02:43, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

 * It's good to see a positive response to concerns over text but I can't see that such a complex assembly of tiny images helps the average reader to grasp the topic. It seems to illustrate a KS case study; SI plus pathological signs (COPD (bronchiectasis?), KS-related heart-trace abnormalities}, and a part-labelled cross-sectional CT showing typical SI reversals - we already have one of those on the page. As the image seems tied to KS, rather than SI, it might be useable at the KS article. Btw, a bot has asked the user to clarify the image's source and status. So far, there's been no response to that or any other requests and messages at the user's talk-page. Haploidavey (talk) 12:33, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

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Not all his organs are reversed, only the abdominal organs. --Dr. Hartwig Raeder (talk) 14:40, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Situs inversus is not situs ambiguus, situs ambiguus is not situs inversus
According to the source https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/heterotaxy-syndrome situs solitus is normal organ distribution, situs inversus – mirror image. Situs ambiguous is everything in between. So Rose Marie Bentley was not situs inversus 1.	She was not mirror image. 2.	She had some isomerism characteristics, typical for heterotaxy, for example, her right and left lungs both had only two lobes. 3.	She had abnormal vessel anatomy and not so typical right atrium. The fact that CNN named her situs inversus does not make her one. Kublakuzz (talk) 13:07, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
 * We rely on published, reliable sources here. Multiple of these sources, as well as the staff of Oregon Health and Sciences University who examined her cadaver, have described Bentley's condition as "Situs inversus with levocardia".  Unless you can find a reliable published source that describes her condition as something other than that, the inclusion of Bentley among notable cases of situs inversus will stay.  General Ization  Talk  13:13, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

social Media Page
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above page is on facebook people with dextrocardia can come together to share their experience

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"situs inversus incompletus" - did they give up and made-up "incompletus" ?
It sounds like really bad slang, a comedian impersonating the Latin language or something along those lines.

If it is indeed correct. this post can be ignored. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.105.212.140 (talk) 18:14, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Basic Sc
List The Organs Invosrred In Digastive Systam — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.190.2.218 (talk) 20:04, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

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Harold Ickes

Harold Ickes may refer to:

 * Harold L. Ickes (1874–1952), U.S. Secretary of the Interior in Franklin D. Roosevelt's administration
 * Harold M. Ickes (born 1939), son of the U.S. Interior Secretary, deputy White House Chief of Staff during the administration of U.S. President Bill Clinton

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Talk:Eastern

Cornerstones in this tradition are arguably beliefs in:
 * spiritual,
 * karmic,
 * or ancestral forces
 * personal auras,
 * or energy flows around the human body
 * and anti-scientific thought in general.

This, especially the last point, is horribly POV. I've removed some parts; if anyone wants to rewrite it and re-incorporate it, the original text is above. Ambarish Talk 20:01, 6 May 2004 (UTC)

Disambiguation
I think that this page should be a disambiguation page. I have added at the bottom a link to the "Ostern", which is sometimes referred to as the "Eastern", but means something quite different. "Eastern" is no doubt also the name of various other things, such as railway lines in the east of a country. --MacRusgail 14:50, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

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McCarthyites (Canada)

The McCarthyites were a short-lived anti-Catholic and anti-French Canadian political movement which contested the 23 June 1896 federal election in Canada. The McCarthyite movement and the Patrons of Industry represented the first challenge to the two-party system in Canada.

Dalton McCarthy was the only "McCarthyite" to win election (he contested and won two seats), and the movement disbanded in 1898, not long after his death.

Formation and political platform
Dalton McCarthy, an Irish-born lawyer, first ran as a Conservative in Simcoe North in the 1872 election. He served as the Member of Parliament for Cardwell from an 1876 by-election. He returned to Simcoe North for the 1878 Canadian federal election; he was elected there, then re-elected in 1882 and 1887. Seen as a protégé of Prime Minister John A. Macdonald and "the 'brains of the party'", McCarthy was seen as "a logical successor to leadership". However, in 1891, McCarthy left the Conservative Party after disagreements with its leader, and ran and won as an independent.

McCarthy was notoriously anti-Catholic and anti-French Canadian. He was a founder of the Canadian branch of the Imperial Federation League, a group that sought to unite Britain and its colonies and dominions in a trans-global federation.

McCarthy also appears to have been associated with the Equal Rights Party, although he did not run under its banner in the 1891 election.

The 1896 election
In 1896, McCarthy and nine of his supporters presented themselves for election in ridings in Ontario and Manitoba. At the time, candidates could present their names for election in more than one riding at a time.

McCarthy sought election and won in both Simcoe North, Ontario, and Brandon, Manitoba. Having won re-election in Simcoe North, McCarthy resigned the Brandon seat.

McCarthyite candidates polled second in three other Ontario ridings, Lanark South, Hastings North and Durham East, scoring over 40% of the vote in each case.

In Muskoka and Parry Sound, McCarthyite candidate William Edward O'Brien, who had previously served as a Tory MP, won 20.1% of the vote in a three-way race. In the other ridings, the McCarthyites did poorly, winning about 10% of the vote or less.

Across all ridings, McCarthyites collected a total of 12,861 votes, or 28.1% of the popular vote.

McCarthy and his candidates were supported by the Protestant Protective Association, though McCarthy publicly repudiated the support, saying his League "had 'nothing whatever to do'" with an internal PPA policy to nominate their members as McCarthyite candidates.

Post-election
As the only elected McCarthyite, Dalton McCarthy forged an alliance with Wilfrid Laurier's Liberals, even though Laurier was a French Canadian Catholic. This alliance began during the election, as the McCarthyites made arrangements with the Liberal Party and the Patrons of Industry in some Southern Ontario ridings to avoid vote splitting among anti-Conservative voters. He might have been appointed to cabinet had he not died following a carriage accident in early 1898. His son, Leighton McCarthy, won a by-election to succeed his father.

His followers attempted to revive the party and pursue McCarthy's anti-Catholic theme, but were unsuccessful. The party was formally disbanded in the same year.

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IHT

IHT may refer to:

 * International Herald Tribune newspaper
 * Intermittent hypoxic training, respiratory therapy
 * Inheritance tax in the United Kingdom
 * Institution of Highways and Transportation, former name of UK Chartered Institution of Highways and Transportation
 * IHT Records, British record label
 * Institute of Health Technology, Rajshahi, Sylhet, Dhaka, Bogra, of Bangladesh

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Red Faber

Urban Clarence "Red" Faber (September 6, 1888 – September 25, 1976) was an American right-handed pitcher in Major League Baseball from 1914 through 1933, playing his entire career for the Chicago White Sox. He was a member of the 1919 team but was not involved in the Black Sox scandal. In fact, he missed the World Series due to injury and illness.

Faber won 254 games over his 20-year career, a total which ranked 17th-highest in history upon his retirement. At the time of his retirement, he was the last legal spitballer in the American League; another legal spitballer, Burleigh Grimes, was later traded to the AL and appeared in 10 games for the Yankees in 1934. Faber was inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame in 1964.

Early life
Faber was born on a farm near Cascade, Iowa, on September 6, 1888. He was of Luxembourgish ancestry. While Faber was a child, his father managed a tavern and later ran the Hotel Faber in Cascade. His father became one of the wealthiest citizens in Cascade. As a teenager, Faber attended college prep academies in Prairie du Chien, Wisconsin and Dubuque, Iowa. By the age of 16, Faber was receiving $2 to pitch Sunday games with a local baseball team in Dubuque.

In 1909, Faber pitched a season for St. Joseph's College, later known as Loras College. In a game against St. Ambrose University that year, he set a school record for strikeouts in a nine-inning game (24). Former Dubuque minor league owner Clarence "Pants" Rowland encouraged Faber to sign with the Class B Dubuque Miners of the Illinois–Indiana–Iowa League.

Minor leagues
Faber started well in the minor leagues. He pitched 15 games for Dubuque in 1909 and returned to the team in 1910, registering an 18–19 win–loss record and a 2.37 earned run average (ERA) in 44 games. He threw a perfect game for the Dubs against the Davenport Prodigals in September of that season.

He also spent time with minor league clubs in Pueblo and Des Moines.

Early career
Faber broke into the major leagues in 1914, starting 19 games and relieving in another 21; he posted a 2.68 ERA while winning 10 games and saving a league-leading four games (a statistic that was not invented until 1959, and became an official baseball stat only in 1969). Through the 1910s, he varied between starting and relieving for a team that enjoyed a wealth of pitching talent. In 1915 he won 24 games, tied for second in the American League behind Walter Johnson, and led the league with 50 appearances. In one game that season, he pitched a three-hitter with only 67 pitches.

In 1917 he had a record of 16–13, and at one point started—and won—three games in two days. He saved his best work for the World Series against the New York Giants. After winning Game 2 in Chicago but losing Game 4 on the road, he came into Game 5 (at home) in relief and picked up the win as the Sox came back from a 5–2 deficit in the seventh inning to win 8–5. Faber went the distance in the clinching Game 6 two days later at the Polo Grounds, picking up his third win of the Series by a 4–2 score. As a consequence, he holds the all-time American League record for pitching decisions in a single World Series with four.

Faber once tried to steal third base when it was already occupied. He said that he saw the lead runner rounding third base on the previous play and he thought that the runner had scored a run. When the pitcher slowly entered his windup, Faber ran toward third base. However, in one game against Boston, he stole home, a rare feat for a pitcher.

Faber spent most of 1918 in the United States Navy due to World War I. He returned in 1919 only to develop arm trouble. He had lost much weight during the war. He finished the year with a 3.83 ERA – the only time in his first nine seasons he posted a mark over 3.00. Those problems, along with a case of the flu possibly related to the Spanish flu pandemic, prevented him from playing in the scandal-torn World Series against the Cincinnati Reds. Years later, catcher Ray Schalk said that had Faber been available, the fix would likely have never happened. Had Faber been healthy, he would almost certainly have gotten some of the starts that went to two of the conspirators, Eddie Cicotte and/or Lefty Williams.

Success in the 1920s
Faber enjoyed the greatest success of his career in the early 1920s. The live-ball era was beginning, but, thanks to a rule change allowing active 17 spitball pitchers to continue throwing it the remainder of their careers after its 1920 ban, he made one of the most successful transitions of all pitchers. He took advantage of Comiskey Park's spacious dimensions, surrendering only 91 home runs—barely one homer per month—from 1920 to 1931. He was one of only six pitchers to win 100 or more games in both the "dead ball" (through 1920) and live ball eras. Faber finished the 1920 season with 23 wins and led the league in games started.

During the summer of 1921, Faber and several other players had to leave a road trip in Washington after receiving subpoenas for the Black Sox trial in Chicago. Faber made the trip but was not asked to testify and returned to the White Sox without missing a start. He won 25 in 1921 and 21 in 1922, leading the league in ERA (1921–1922), innings (1922) and complete games (1921–1922). He was also among the league leaders in strikeouts each year, while pitching at least 25 complete games and over 300 innings.

Faber achieved most of his success with White Sox teams that were usually barely competitive. They had been one of the top teams in the league in the late 1910s, with a powerful offense. After much of the core of that team was permanently banned in the Black Sox Scandal, the White Sox had only two winning seasons in Faber's last 13 years, never finishing above fifth place. In the 1921 season, Faber posted a terrific 25–15 win–loss record for a scandal-decimated team that limped to a 62–92 finish; from 1921 to 1929 his record was 126–103. In 1927 Faber broke up a 21-game hitting streak by a still capable 40-year-old Ty Cobb. Perhaps his last great performance was a one-hitter at age 40 in 1929.

Later career
In his last few seasons, Faber returned to relief pitching, coming out of the bullpen 96 times between 1931 and 1933. Faber announced his retirement before the 1934 season. He had pitched 20 consecutive years for the White Sox. He ended his career at age 45 with a 254–213 career record, a 3.15 ERA and 1471 strikeouts. He holds the White Sox franchise record for most games pitched, and held the team records for career wins, starts, complete games and innings until they were later broken by Ted Lyons. After retiring as a player, Faber entered auto sales and real estate. He returned as a White Sox coach for three seasons.

Faber and catcher Ray Schalk started 306 games as a battery, fourth-most of any such duo since 1900.

Personal life
In 1947, Faber married Frances (Fran) Knudtzon, who was nearly 30 years younger than he. Faber said that he was too old for her, but she insisted that they get married. Fran was Lutheran and a divorcee, and the couple married quickly, making the marriage unpopular among Faber's Catholic family. However, some became more accepting with time. The couple had a son the next year, Urban C. Faber II, nicknamed "Pepper". When he was 14 he suffered a broken neck in a near-fatal swimming accident, causing long-term health problems.

Faber helped to found Baseball Anonymous, a charitable organization that assisted former baseball players who had run into financial or physical problems. Later he worked on a Cook County highway surveying team until he was nearly 80. He was a longtime smoker, and after suffering two heart attacks in the 1960s began to experience increasing heart and lung issues. He died in Chicago in 1976 and was interred in Acacia Park Cemetery there.

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