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Talk:Babel Fish (website)

blocked
I saw on RC a blocked user with the rule that says that Babel Fish editors are not allowed to edit Wikipedia. Where is the source?? 66.245.95.157 22:03, 20 May 2004 (UTC)

What it meant was that the Babel Fish IPs were blocked from editing. That is to prevent people from using the translator as an anonymizer service. It also tears up pages that it edits, in an attempt to translate the text. People who work for Babel Fish are allowed to edit Wikipedia, but they may have a problem if they edit from a certain range of blocked IPs. Guanaco 22:12, 20 May 2004 (UTC)

source
Source for my change to the Babel Fish's mechanism is from an audio copy of the Hitchhikers original radio series: ''it feeds on brain wave energy, absorbing all unconscious frequencies, and then excreting telepathically a matrix formed from the conscious frequencies of nerve signals picked up from the speech centres of the brain. The practical upshot of which is if you stick one in your ear, you can instantly understand anything said to you in any form of language. The speech you hear decodes the brain-wave matrix.'' There is a slightly different written version here. -Wikibob | Talk 21:54, 2004 Jun 29 (UTC)

The talking fish motive is from the Grimm Brothers

 * It's actually older: from memory, one of the Germanic heroes, either Sigmund or Sigurd, caught a fish for a dwarf and cooked it, but was testing the flesh with his thumb (What can I say? Germanic heroes are not renowned for their intelligence) to see if it was cooked through, and scalded himself. After he sucked his thumb to take the pain away, he could understand the language of the birds. Thanks, I'd forgotten I knew that :D
 * Nuttyskin (talk) 16:16, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Translation
After translating and back-translating "Jar Jar Binks is an idiot." I got this: "The cancer thway by price of land it in the adjacent waters which attaches a header the adjacent waters the kettle where the kettle which comes in contact comes in contact by the Binks." -- 68.23.97.170 7 July 2005 04:23 (UTC)

Polished Translation
The German article about the folding bridge contains the expression "Mai 2004" which is absent from the English version. Can a fluent German speaker provide a more complete translation? Zanzare 20:25, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Example (removed)
the given example in the article is not a very good one in my opinion, what's more important: the translation by the german speaker is full of flaws. I (German)tried to correct but don't have the time right now to really finish. It is still not right. If you believe this kind of example is usefull, say it here. Maybe sometime someone (me) will come back to this and finish the translation. As said, right now it is still not perfect although i corrected some of it.

An example of Babel Fish translation and its flaws This example comes from the folding bridge article, problem words and phrases are in italics:

Original German ...Die Hörnbrücke ist Anfang bzw. Endpunkt einer im Mai 2004 eröffneten touristischen Ferienstraße: Die Deutsche Fährstraße - von Bremervörde bis zur Kieler Förde - verbindet rund 50 verschiedene Fähren, Brücken, Schleusen, Sperrwerke und maritime Museen; Wahrzeichen sind die Schwebefähren in Rendsburg und in Osten (Oste); eine weitere Fähre dieser Art stand bis 1923 in der damaligen Kaiserlichen Werft in Kiel.

Babel Fish Translation ...The hearing bridge is at the beginning and/or terminator point of one in May 2004 opened routistic holidays road: The German driving race - from Bremervoerde to the Kieler Foerde - connects approximately 50 different ferries, bridges, air-locks, barriers and maritime museums; Landmarks are the schwebefaehren in Rendsburg and in the east (Oste); a further ferry of this kind stood until 1923 in the imperial one at that time threw in Kiel.

Version polished by a fluent German speaker

...The Hörnbrücke (about 'hearing bridge') is the beginning and terminating point of a scenic route which was opened in May 2004: this tourist route called the Deutsche Fährstraße (German Ferry Route) - from Bremervörde to the Kieler Förde - connects approximately 50 different ferries, bridges, ship locks, tidal barriers and maritime museums and its landmarks of the Rendsburg and Osten (Oste) transporter bridges.

Note that it is not called the hearing bridge but this is a reasonable literal translation

--217.185.243.243 22:25, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

BabelFish Rulez!
I was amazed at the quality of translations from Russian to English. In fact I created a new article Russian nobility from ru:Дворянство. Very little changes were necessary to the sentence structure. I did have to spend some time checking that the wikilinks point to the right English articles. Petri Krohn 01:43, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Requested move (2006)
This should be at Babel Fish which is currently a redirect to Babel fish. The fictional animal is always rendered with a lower case. There should be disambiguation notes between these pages but there is no need for the parenthetical title on this page because the capitalizataion makes it unique. savidan(talk) (e@) 20:01, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Survey

 * Oppose It is a bad idea to disambiguate on upper and lower case letters --Philip Baird Shearer 16:29, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Discussion
savidan if you request another page move at WP:RM please follow the steps for requesting a page move which includes putting the page where the discussion about the requested move is taking place into the request on the WP:RM page. --Philip Baird Shearer 16:33, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Result: not moved
Not moved, because of lack of consensus and solid rational. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 02:04, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

That logo...
Someone with more markup experience than me should do something about that logo image. It needs to be set apart with a frame, and a caption. GodSka 23:40, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Example translations
It doesn't seem ideal to be using "the first paragraph in this article" for the example translations, when that paragraph is liable to change without editors bothering to retranslate all the examples. A piece of fixed example text (the first paragraph of a public domain book?) would work better, but my current browser isn't up to dealing with Korean and Japanese translations. --McGeddon 18:27, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I'd go farther (further?) and say we shouldn't have any examples at all. The software changes over time - an example we give now may not work when somebody reads it. They can do it themselves, if they want. - DavidWBrooks 19:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Good point. There's some argument that example translations can demonstrate the strengths and weaknesses of the translation system, but it would be better to explain those strengths and weaknesses, than to leave the reader to pick them out. (In fact, it's not particularly demonstrative to show translations from English into other languages, because many English-speaking Wikipedia readers cannot read those languages fluently - maybe Babel Fish is great at translating English into French or Japanese, and just garbles things when going back the other way.) --McGeddon 01:07, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

 * For the examples, when inputting the first paragraph of this article into Babelfish, let's enter "Babelfish" as one word instead of two words, and see what happens? 38.100.34.2 16:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Imposter
The website babelfish.com deserves a mention as an imposter website too. { Slash -|- Talk } 01:39, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Imposter is an inappropriate word for the website babelfish.com since babelfish.com predates Yahoo! Babel Fish (and indeed Altavista's use of the term babelfish) by almost 18 months. The Babel Fish Corporation (at www.babelfish.com) has had as many as "38 employees, 75 language teachers and 7,500 certified/accredited translators". The domain name Babelfish.com was registered by The Babel Fish Corporation on 28 June 1995. Altavista did not launch their online translation service until almost 18 months later when, on December 9, 1997, Digital Equipment Corporation and SYSTRAN S.A. launched AltaVista Translation Service. source: http://www.infotektur.com/demos/babelfish/en.html (Locosman (talk) 00:14, 21 July 2012 (UTC))

Jerusalem Post hoax
The 2007-11-06 change refers to a diplomatic incident that would have been caused by Babelfish. This is a hoax, and I've included three reasons to support this. The Dutch Foreign Minister did appear in Parliament 2 days later and didn't mention it, which is further proof. However, I cannot find references for it yet. If needed, Parlando.sdu.nl will have them very soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.64.89.205 (talk) 23:53, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Yahoo and subsequent changes to Babelfish
Before Yahoo got ahold of Babelfish, you could put more than 150 words to translate. Now you can't. Should any changes between Altavista - Yahoo Babelfish be mentioned? (I prefer old Babelfish by far. The layout and stuff. Plus, they got rid of the cute, simple fish.) Neobinary (talk) 21:29, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Any idea of the business aspect of the changeover to Yahoo? Was a deal struck, consideration paid etc? Anyone know?

Non-ASCII urls
They work, but wiki won't let me remove/modify the section calming they don't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.112.120 (talk) 06:02, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Non-commercial?
In the infobox, babelfish is described as noncommercial. Surely its commercial, even if you dont have to pay for it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.195.230.149 (talk) 17:01, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Russian and Chinese Texts Turned into Garbled Characters
I was able to use Babel Fish to translate Russian and Chinese words/sentences/texts into English, and had used it many times before. But today I was dismayed when the input Russian text (in Cyrillic alphabet) or Chinese text (in Chinese characters) were turned into garbled characters (such as & #1050; & #1080; & #1090; & #1072; & #1081;) and the output result turned into the same thing. Could anyone tell what the problem is? Where can I get help? I use Firefox on a Mac OS X machine, by the way. Many thanks! --Roland 09:39, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Just found that Greek alphabet are also turned into garbled characters. --Roland 01:24, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Where to Get Help When in Trouble
Hope someone can provide the information regarding where to get help when a user is in trouble. --Roland 03:09, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Redirects to Bing?????
This service has been discontinued and has been redirected to Bing Translator, so can you please re-write it? TheChampionMan1234 (talk) 00:14, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

 * Isn't that an Hoax?Jorgen W (talk) 03:22, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

 * It looks like a hoax to me, because every time I go to BabelFish.com, I get THEIR web site; not Bing. At this point, it will take some work to correct the entire page due to the number of edits done since then, but simply examining the web site would have revealed the truth from the beginning, regardless of finding sources that perpetuate a hoax.

 * The very instructions above our editing box tell us, "Encyclopedic content must be verifiable." That BabelFish.com is redirecting to Bing is verifiably FALSE; it fails the most painfully obvious test.  Therefore, I'm adding the Dubious template to this statement. Downstrike (talk) 02:13, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

 * It isn't a Hoax — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.22.0.40 (talk) 08:32, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Babelfish.com is not associated with Yahoo Babelfish. The official URL for it was always babelfish.yahoo.com

babelfish.altavista.com
http://babelfish.altavista.com seems to be dead? 70.24.251.208 (talk) 10:05, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Try babelfish.yahoo.com, that's what I've been using for the last year or two. However, it stopped working now. It redirects to a weird Bing page that's all in German. I have no idea what it says. It seems that Microsoft think that your IP address denotes what language you speak, and as I'm currently in Germany, I must speak German. Guess what geniuses, why do you think I was at Babelfish. I suppose if Microsoft ran a zoo and they saw a Lion in the Penguin enclosure, they'd feed it small fish (shortly before being mauled because it's a Lion, not a Penguin). Time to finally switch to Google translate I guess. So long and thanks for all the fish Babelfish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.155.175.45 (talk) 11:14, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Babel Fish
Babel Fish is discontinued from Yahoo!, however its own brand is online again apparently since 2010, just check www.babelfish.com; with regard to Microsoft, both babelfish.altavista.com and babelfish.yahoo.com redirect to www.microsofttranslator.com, the official site of Bing translator, however yahoo.babelfish.com is the same site of www.babelfish.com'. Does anyone have more information on this issue?--Jorgen W (talk) 03:37, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * When I type in yahoo.babelfish.com I end up in google search, which leads me to  bing? Ottawahitech (talk) 21:05, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

The site www.babelfish.com is another online Translation site, but is not owned by Yahoo! nor Microsoft. (Locosman (talk) 20:09, 18 July 2012 (UTC))

Did Microsoft buy Babel Fish from Yahoo!?
My recent revision was rejected with the cited reason being "the source does not support the statement that the service "was not sold."  The source referenced was http://blogs.msdn.com/b/translation/archive/2012/05/30/welcoming-yahoo-babel-fish-users.aspx?PageIndex=4#comments however, being fairly new, I wasn't sure how to direct the attention to the fact that the source is really page 4 of the comments where someone from Microsoft is directly responding within the comments to questions posed within the comments. The actual commenter is http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/profile/microsoft%20translator/ and writes, on 10 Jun 2012 8:04 PM, questions and answers to many topics including: Did Microsoft buy Babel Fish from Yahoo!?

Here are some of the questions/answers that Microsoft provides regarding the Yahoo! Babel Fish transition:

Q: What happened to the Yahoo! Babel Fish site? A: After careful consideration, Yahoo! has transitioned its Babel Fish translation services to Bing Translator, which offers additional languages and features for users. Microsoft is pleased to welcome Yahoo! Babel Fish users to the Bing Translator family. Yahoo! and Microsoft have worked closely together to ensure as seamless a transition as possible from Babel Fish to Bing Translator.

Q: Did Microsoft buy Babel Fish from Yahoo!? A: No. Yahoo! has simply transitioned from Babel Fish to Bing Translator for translation services.

So...... I would hope that my carefully researched edit/contribution that I submitted on 05:40, 17 July 2012 will be accepted and that the revision that was done on 10:30, 17 July 2012 undoing my edit can now be undone by me without offending anyone. (Locosman (talk) 23:48, 20 July 2012 (UTC))

Yahoo! Babel Fish was not founded and developed by Oscar A Jofre
There seems to be a misreading of a webpage quoted as a source, namely: http://www.businessedge.ca/archives/article.cfm/babelfish-on-the-move-3074/ The "BabelFish on the move" article at businessedge.ca is referring to The Babel Fish Corporation, a professional translation service, which owns the domain BabelFish.com --- not to be confused with the Yahoo! Babel Fish service which was run under babelfish.altavista.com then under babelfish.yahoo.com. The Yahoo! Babel Fish service (at babelfish.yahoo.com) offered instant, online translations powered by machines whereas The Babel Fish Corporation (at www.babelfish.com) was human powered with "38 employees, 75 language teachers and 7,500 certified/accredited translators". Babelfish.com had been registered by The Babel Fish Corporation on 28 June 1995. Altavista did not launch their online translation service until almost 18 months later when, on December 9, 1997, Digital Equipment Corporation and SYSTRAN S.A. launched AltaVista Translation Service. source: http://www.infotektur.com/demos/babelfish/en.html (Locosman (talk) 21:04, 18 July 2012 (UTC))
 * Fair enough - I'll remove the mention of the founder. Feel free to be bold and tweak it/rewrite it as necessary, especially if you find out who the real founder was . — Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 21:45, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry, I see you did it already. :) — Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 21:48, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Yahoo/Bing redirect
When i tried it just now, babelfish.yahoo.com redirected me to yahoo.com instead of Bing Translator. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.17.201.171 (talk) 01:41, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Người bạn thân của tôi tên peter. Bạn ấy cao. Có khuôn mặt hình vuông. Trán của bạn ấy rộng. Mái tóc của bạn ấy màu nâu, bạn ấy trông rất dễ nhìn. Bạn ấy rất say mê môn toán. Bạn ấy háo hức học môn toán, bạn ấy rất khiêm tốn và cần cù , thi thoảng bạn còn hài hước nữa — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.27.201.17 (talk) 07:26, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 22 August 2016

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Babel Fish (website) — Amakuru (talk) 15:10, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Yahoo! Babel Fish → AltaVista Babel Fish – The site was at babelfish.altavista.com with the AltaVista branding for over 10 years (December 1997 to May 2008). Yahoo was mentioned for only 4 years (May 2008 to May 2012). 86.153.121.236 (talk) 17:49, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

 * Oppose The general wikipedia rule is to have the article reflect the current company name, on the theory that people search for it via that name - unless there is compelling reason otherwise. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 19:06, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * "Yahoo! Babel Fish" isn't the current name. Timmyshin (talk) 23:12, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

 * Support – As a now-defunct product onto which Yahoo had only slapped their logo before killing it, we should emphasize the historically-significant place where the product was created. Alternately, I would support a move to Babel Fish (translation software) or Babel Fish (website) which is neutral towards product ownership over the years. — JFG talk 07:48, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Your latter suggestion, about using a general title, makes sense and I would support it, although I don't think going backwards in time to AltaVista is the right move. Incidentally, this is a common wikipedia problem with companies that have changed names and owners, deciding which name should be the default article title. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 18:07, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * We agree. So, which one would you prefer: Babel Fish (translation software) or Babel Fish (website)? — JFG talk 15:14, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I would go with Babel Fish (website), because that was the key point: It wasn't just good translation software, it was publicly usable translation software. Since it already exists we could just turn this into a redirect and cut/paste the article text, although that would not retain the Talk page history. I don't know how to do an article Move to an existing article while retaining the Talk history.- DavidWBrooks (talk) 16:43, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

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babelfish.yahoo.com redirects to Yahoo's website
Check it. We need to add it that they now redirect to www.yahoo.com

Idk how to format it sorry :( Zappingsbrew000 (talk) 12:34, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

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East–West Shrine Bowl

The East–West Shrine Bowl is a postseason college football all-star game that has been played annually since 1925; through January 2019, it was known as the East–West Shrine Game. The game is sponsored by the fraternal group Shriners International, and the net proceeds are earmarked to some of the Shrine's charitable works, most notably the Shriners Hospitals for Children. The game's slogan is "Strong Legs Run That Weak Legs May Walk."

Teams consist of players from colleges in the Eastern United States vs. the Western United States. Players must be college seniors who are eligible to play for their schools. The game and the practice sessions leading up to it attract dozens of scouts from professional teams. Since 1985, Canadian players playing in Canadian university football have also been invited (even though U Sports and the NCAA play by different football codes). As such, this is the only current bowl or all-star game in either the Canadian or American college football schedules to include players from both Canadian and American universities.

The game has been played in various locations. Most editions have been held in California, although the most recent edition played there was in 2005. In June 2023, organizers announced the game would move to Ford Center at The Star in Frisco, Texas, starting with the 2024 edition.

Since 1979, the game has been played in January, and has been played on January 10 or later since 1986. The later game dates allow players from teams whose schools were involved in bowl games to participate, which is important, as these teams often have some of the very best players.

20th century
For most of its history, the game was played in the San Francisco Bay Area, usually at San Francisco's Kezar Stadium or Stanford Stadium at Stanford University, with Pacific Bell Park/SBC Park (now Oracle Park) as a host in its final years in Northern California. For more than half of the games played in the Bay Area, entertainment was provided by the marching band from Santa Cruz High School.

In January 1942, the game was played in New Orleans, due to the December 7, 1941, Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. This one-year relocation was based upon fears that playing the game on the west coast could make the contest and the stadium a potential target for an additional attack. The game, originally planned for January 1 in San Francisco, was played on January 3 at Tulane Stadium, two days after the 1942 Sugar Bowl was held there.

During this era, the game was not restrict to college seniors—for example, the January 1944 edition of the game featured Robert Hoernschemeyer, Dean Sensanbaugher, and Herman Wedemeyer, each then college freshmen.

A similar all-star game, the North–South Shrine Game, was played in Miami from 1948 to 1973, and a final time in Pontiac, Michigan, in 1976.

21st century

In 2006, the game moved to Texas, leaving the San Francisco Bay area for the first time since 1942, and was played at the Alamodome in San Antonio. The growth of cable television meant NFL scouts could now view players around the country, making postseason all-star games less important. Even so, the game's organizers relaxed efforts towards attracting top players to the game, meaning many of college football's best players went to the Senior Bowl instead. In 2007, the game relocated to Houston and was played at Reliant Stadium, home of the NFL's Houston Texans, to be closer to one of the 22 Shriners Hospitals for Children; Texas has two Shriner's hospitals, one in Houston and the other in Galveston. The 2008 and 2009 games were held at Robertson Stadium on the campus of the University of Houston.

In 2010, the game moved to Florida, and was held at the Citrus Bowl in Orlando. Television coverage moved from ESPN/ESPN2 to the NFL Network, starting with the 2011 game. After two years in Orlando, the 2012 game was held at Tropicana Field in St. Petersburg; it was the sixth different venue (in five cities and three states) in a span of eight contests.

Starting with the January 2017 game, the NFL supplies coaching staffs for the game, drawing from assistant coaches of teams who did not advance to the NFL postseason, and the game is now officiated by NFL officials. The game is played under NFL rules, with some restrictions, such as no motion or shifts by the offense, and no stunts or blitzes by the defense. Prior to the January 2020 playing, organizers renamed the game from East–West Shrine Game to East–West Shrine Bowl.

The 2021 edition of the game, which had been scheduled for January 23, was cancelled due to concerns related to the COVID-19 pandemic.

In July 2021, it was announced that Allegiant Stadium would host the East–West Shrine Bowl on February 3, 2022; the game was scheduled as part of festivities for the 2022 Pro Bowl being held there the following Sunday.

In June 2023, organizers announced that the game would move to Ford Center at The Star in Frisco, Texas, for its 2024 playing.

Game results
Through the February 2024 game (99 editions, 98 games played), the West leads all-time with 54 wins to the East's 39 wins, while 5 games have tied.

† For the December 1925 game, NCAA records list a 7–0 final score, while contemporary newspaper accounts report 6–0.

MVPs
The game first named a Most Valuable Player for the January 1945 playing (Bob Waterfield, UCLA quarterback), and named a single MVP through the December 1952 game. Starting with the January 1954 game, two MVPs are selected for each game; they receive the William H. Coffman Award for Most Outstanding Offensive Player, and the E. Jack Spaulding Award for Most Outstanding Defensive Player. Coffman was managing director of the game for 40 years, while Spaulding was one of the organizers of the inaugural playing of the game. MVPs starting with the January 2000 game are listed below; a complete list is provided on the official website.

Canadian invitees
Although the game is an American football competition, players of Canadian university football, contested under Canadian football rules, have been invited to each game played since 1985, when Calgary Dinos offensive lineman Tom Spoletini played. Usually, Canadian players on the West team come from Canada West schools, while Canadian players on the East team are from the other three Canadian conferences (Ontario University Athletics, Atlantic University Sport, and Quebec Student Sport Federation). One exception was Sean McEwen of the Calgary Dinos (a Canada West school), who played on the East squad in the 2016 game. The only Canadian team that competed under American football rules is the now-defunct Simon Fraser Red Leafs; the only Simon Fraser player to be invited to the game is Ibrahim Khan, who played in 2004 when Simon Fraser still played Canadian football.

Through the 2024 game, the Calgary Dinos have had the most invitees, with 13.

In 2024, the lone Canadian invitee was Qwan'tez Stiggers, an American who did not play college football but instead became a professional player for the Toronto Argonauts of the Canadian Football League.

Hall of fame
A hall of fame was established in 2002, with additional inductees typically named in the weeks leading up to each annual playing. Through 2024 inductees, there are currently 64 members of the hall of fame. Inductees range from having played in game No. 10 (January 1935) to game No. 78 (January 2003), with game No. 48 (December 1972) having the most players honored, five.

Pat Tillman Award
Game organizers initiated a Pat Tillman Award in 2005, the year that Tillman was posthumously inducted to the game's hall of fame, to recognize "a player who best exemplifies character, intelligence, sportsmanship and service."

Head coaches who played in the game
Several Shrine Bowl players have gone on to serve as a head coach in a later Shrine Bowl.

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Bone (comics)

Bone is an American fantasy comic book limited series written and illustrated by Jeff Smith, originally serialized in 55 irregularly released issues from 1991 to 2004. The series is primarily self-published by Smith's Cartoon Books; it was also briefly published by Image Comics. The issues were collected into nine volumes, as well as a single omnibus volume. Since 2005, color editions of the volumes are published by Scholastic's Graphix imprint. The series intertwines comedy and dark fantasy.

Bone has received numerous awards, among them ten Eisner Awards and eleven Harvey Awards.

Plot
Bone follows the eponymous Bone cousins, who appear as white-skinned cartoon humanoids: everyman Fone Bone, wealthy and self-serving Phoncible P. "Phoney" Bone, and simpleminded Smiley Bone. When Phoney mounts an ill-fated campaign for mayor, he is forced out of their hometown of Boneville, with Smiley and a reluctant Fone Bone following him. After the cousins find themselves in a desert, Smiley finds a hand-drawn map that they use to navigate their way across the fantasy landscape. The cousins are separated by a swarm of locusts and individually end up in a mysterious valley, a journey made more difficult by the pursuing Rat Creatures. Eventually, they reunite at the Barrelhaven tavern, where they are taken in by a mysterious girl named Thorn and her grandmother, "Gran'ma Ben". Fone Bone instantly develops a crush on Thorn and repeatedly attempts to express his love through poetry. As they stay longer in the Valley, they learn that it is under threat from the Rat Creatures, led by Kingdok; and the Lord of the Locusts. The Bones are gradually drawn into the events around them, compelling them on a hero's journey to help free the Valley.

Analysis
Bone has been noted for "defying" categorization. Smith claims that the series not originally written for an adolescent audience; however, it is this age group that serves as its largest readership. Throughout its run, Bone shifts from a largely comical series to a more serious tone as the characters and setting develop. It is additionally said to have a "darker subtext about power and evil".

Smith made the decision to illustrate Bone in black-and-white, which critics speculate is so that he could maintain the clear lines that allow for exaggerated characters that contrast their subtle, detailed backgrounds.

The story is mainly set in the Valley, though Boneville is mentioned throughout. Boneville is never actually shown, but is implied to be technologically contemporary, while the Valley is depicted as medieval, inasmuch as its citizens employ a barter system, weapons, and modes of transportation similar to those of the Middle Ages, and Phoney persistently refers to the people of the Valley as "yokels".

Background
Smith originated Bone as a sketch he drew as a child, resembling a telephone handset receiver. This original drawing, a frowning character with its mouth wide open, resembled characteristics of who would become the Bone cousins. When Smith was ten, he began creating comics featuring the characters.

The comics had many major influences throughout their creation. Smith mostly modeled Bone structurally around Mark Twain's Huckleberry Finn. He enjoyed how it "start(s) off very simple, almost like children's stories ... but as it goes on, it gets a little darker, and the themes become a little more sophisticated and more complex". Smith was also inspired by Carl Barks' character Scrooge McDuck. Smith said that he "always wanted Uncle Scrooge to go on a longer adventure. I thought, 'Man, if you could just get a comic book of that quality, the length of say, War and Peace, or The Odyssey or something, that would be something I would love to read, and even as a kid I looked everywhere for that book, that Uncle Scrooge story that was 1,100 pages long".

Other influences in this regard include the original Star Wars trilogy, J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings and the classic fairy tales and mythologies that inspired those works. Moby Dick, Smith's favorite book, is cited for its multi-layered narrative and symbolism, and numerous references to it are placed throughout Bone. Bone was also influenced by other comics, including Charles Schulz's Peanuts and Walt Kelly's Pogo.

While Smith attended the Ohio State University, he created a comic strip titled Thorn for the student newspaper, The Lantern, which included some of the characters who later featured in Bone.

After college, Smith and his friends produced animation work on commission in their studio, Character Builders Inc., but Smith eventually decided against an animation career. Seeking instead to develop a comic book series, and convinced by the successes of Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns and Art Spiegelman's Maus that a serious comic book with a beginning, middle and end structure was both artistically and commercially viable, Smith decided to produce Bone.

In 1991, Smith launched his company, Cartoon Books, to publish the series. Initially, Smith self-published the series, doing all of the work to produce and distribute the series through his business himself; this made it difficult for Smith to focus on writing and drawing the book, and as a result, he fell behind in his production. To solve this, he asked his wife, Vijaya Iyer, to resign from her job at a Silicon Valley startup company and serve as president of Cartoon Books, managing the business related to the series. Smith was able to refocus on his work on Bone, and sales improved. In 1995, Smith began briefly publishing Bone through Image Comics. Smith believed this would be a temporary arrangement, and to maintain the book's place in catalogs, the collected volumes remained under the Cartoon Books label. Bone ended with its 55th issue, dated June 2004. The back cover has, in place of the usual comic panel, a black-and-white photo of Smith in his studio drawing the last page on May 10. In an interview on Attack of the Show, Smith revealed that he drew the last page before working on the first issue.

Individual volumes
The series was initially collected, 6 issues at a time, in three volumes of The Collected Bone Adventures (1993-1995). These went out of print when Smith decided to collect the story arc acts instead. The Bone Reader (1996) was released concurrent with the switch to Image Comics to bring new readers up to speed and to collect issues #13 1/2 and 19 for early adopters.

Other books published in the color series but not part of the main storyline are the prequel Rose, illustrated by Charles Vess; the Bone Handbook; and the anthology books Tall Tales and More Tall Tales.

Selected excerpts from Bone were reprinted in Disney Adventures, first in 1994 and later in 1997 through 1998. The issues usually consisted of 7–9 pages a month and were colored. The pages were also censored to remove smoking and drinking references and any innuendo involving Thorn and Fone Bone. There was also an exclusive story for Disney Adventures by Smith, featuring Fone and Phoney following a "treasure map"; it was reprinted in The Bone Reader and Tall Tales.

The series was split into three-story arcs, each having two names, one being the original arc name, the other being the name used in the one volume edition, respectively as follows. The first arc lasted from issues #1–19 (volumes #1–3, June 1991 – August 1995) being named Vernal Equinox, or The Valley. It was the longest running arc (in terms of time) running for four years and one month. The main story in issue #13.5, "Up on the Roof", was reprinted as chapter six in The Great Cow Race collected edition, therefore making it part of Vernal Equinox. The second arc was named Solstice, or Phoney Strikes Back. The arc lasted from issues #20–37 (volumes #4–6, October 1995 – August 1999). It is tied as the longest running arc in issues with the third arc (lasting 19 issues). The third arc, Harvest or Friends & Enemies, lasted from issues #38–55 (volumes #7–9, August 2000 – June 2004).

Color editions
In 2005, Scholastic, under its newly established Graphix imprint, began reissuing the nine individual volumes in full color by Steve Hamaker. In 2006, HarperCollins began publishing the full color editions for the UK market.

Omnibus edition
An omnibus edition, compiling all 55 issues in one volume (ISBN 1-888963-14-X), was released originally by Cartoon Books imprint in a paperback volume. This release was intended to celebrate both the end of the series and the release of the full-color editions. First released in 2004 and promoted as only a limited print run being available, this edition has been reprinted several times since.

In addition to the paperback release, a signed limited edition hardcover release was issued. The deluxe hardcover featured gold embossed lettering on the cover, gilded edges, and a cloth ribbon bookmark. The end pages are printed with a map of The Valley and it comes with a full-color signed and numbered bookplate. This release originally sold for around $125 (USD) and was initially limited to 2,000 copies. The series has been reprinted 13 times, also featuring a signed limited edition of the 13th pressing version sold during November 2009.

The collection won the 2005 Eisner Award for Best Graphic Album-Reprint, and was listed at No. 3 in Time magazine's "Best Comix of 2004". Reviewer Andrew Arnold said of the collection, which was published at the conclusion of the monthly series: "As sweeping as the Lord of the Rings cycle, but much funnier ... Smith imbues even simple dialogue panels with animation. Now that it's finished Bone should join the ranks of Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter in the young adult pantheon".

Full-color omnibus edition
In November 2011, for its 20th anniversary, a full-color, omnibus edition was released. It has a special section in the back with a cover gallery of the original comics, an illustrated timeline of Bone 's 20-year history, and an essay by author Smith. A special edition was also released that included the book, a signed print by Jeff Smith, a Phoney Bone gold coin, three pewter bone figures of Fone Bone, Phoney Bone and Smiley Bone, a copy of The Cartoonist documentary DVD, and a miniature facsimile of the first issue, all held in a box decorated with an illustration of Fone Bone.

Related works

 * Thorn: Tales from the Lantern: This comic strip was produced by Smith during college, featuring Thorn as the protagonist and Fone Bone and Phoney Bone as supporting characters. The strip was partially collected in a trade paperback after Smith graduated in 1989. It sold 1000 copies, and is currently out of print. A new, complete collection will be published in 2024, following a successful Kickstarter campaign.
 * Rose (with Charles Vess): tells the origins of Rose, Thorn, and Lucius.
 * Stupid, Stupid Rat Tails: The Adventures of Big Johnson Bone, Frontier Hero (with Tom Sniegoski and Stan Sakai)
 * Bone: Tall Tales: The story shows Smiley and Bartleby after the events in the main series. It features them telling tall tales to three Bone brothers (Ringo, Bingo and Todd). It is a repackaging of Stupid, Stupid Rat Tails, including a Disney Adventures short and new material. It was released on August 1, 2010. This spin-off mainly focuses on Big Johnson Bone's (ancestor to the Bone cousins) adventures, some time before the cousins' adventures in the Valley, though there is one short where Fone and Phoney follow a 'treasure map', which is later revealed as a joke by Thorn, who wanted the two to do the laundry. One story with Big Johnson Bone depicts his discovery of the Valley with his monkey, Mr. Pip. In Bone Vol. 7, Ghost Circles, Bartleby mentions that before Rat Creatures had "long, beautiful, hairless tails", which have to be cut off when the Rat Creature reaches one year of age, out of fear that they will be dragged away by their tails by a monster named Jekk. In Tall Tales, the Jekk is revealed to be Big Johnson Bone, who swung them around by their tails when they attacked him, and due to this (and the fact the Queen and her son had their tails removed by Big Johnson) they decided to cut their tails so they could never be used against them again. In this, the Royal Rat Creatures grow to be quite large, possibly explaining Kingdok, the Rat Creature ruler, to be of such great size comparatively to the other Rat Creatures. The Red Dragon also appears in the story.
 * Bone Handbook is a 128-page handbook that chronicles the series and is accompanied by sketches, interviews, etc. The book was released in February 2010.
 * Bone: Quest for the Spark, a trilogy of illustrated prose novels, written by Tom Sniegoski, following the adventures of new Bones in their quest in the Valley. The first volume was released on February 1, 2011. A few of the characters from the original series are in the story, such as the Two Stupid Rat Creatures and Roderick the Raccoon, from the fifth trade paperback collection, Rock Jaw, Master of the Eastern Border. Thorn Harvestar and Gran'ma Ben are also in the trilogy. Though the Bone cousins are mentioned in passing, they are absent from the trilogy. Part II was released on February 1, 2012. The story continues from Part 1, putting the main characters against the Nacht, a dark creature that puts nearly everyone in the Valley to sleep. Part III was released on February 1, 2013.
 * Smiley's Dream Book is a 2018 children's book that presumably takes place in Boneville after the series’ conclusion. In it, Smiley has a dream in which he meets several birds before waking up and walking around.(ISBN 9780545674775).
 * Bone Adventures is a 2020 children's book that reprints Smiley's Dream Book and features a prequel story from the Bone cousin's childhood.(ISBN 9781338620672).(ISBN 9781338726381)
 * Bone: More Tall Tales (2023) reprints in color the "Riblet" story by Tom Sniegoski & Stan Sakai from Stupid, Stupid Rat Tails, and the story from Coda, with additional new material.(ISBN 9781338726381)

Special one-shots
This was a Hero Premiere Edition bundled with Hero Illustrated magazine. It includes a short story where the Bone cousins celebrate Winter Solstice, and also a Jeff Smith interview and sketches. It is featured in the Crown of Horns collection and the final issue of the series. This was a free comic book mail-in offer through Wizard magazine. As was also common with Wizard magazine comic offers, there was a special gold foil cover variant where the Bone title on the cover is embossed in gold foil. It came in a rigid mylar sleeve and a certificate of authenticity. There is a short story that fits in between No. 13 and 14 of the regular series, and is included in Bone Vol. 2: The Great Cow Race. This special also includes a Jeff Smith interview and sketches. This was a free promotional book given out at 1995 San Diego Comic-con and it also polybagged with Wizard magazine. This sourcebook was published to celebrate the move of the Bone series from self-publishing to Image Comics, where it stayed for only 7 issues before Jeff Smith took it back to self-publishing.
 * Bone: Holiday Special ("Hero" Premiere Edition, 1993, Warrior Publications, 14 pages)
 * Bone No. 13 ½ (Jan 1995, Wizard, 28 pages)
 * Bone Sourcebook (1995, Image Comics, 16 pages with wrap-around cover)

It includes an introduction by Jeff Smith & biography, character profiles, color poster by Jim Lee, story timeline, upcoming storyline, and shipping schedule. To celebrate its 10-year anniversary, a special color edition of Bone No. 1 was released with a free collectible Fone Bone PVC figure and a full color Phoney Bone Gazillion dollar bill. This special edition included a new cover, a new afterword by Jeff Smith, and an illustrated eight-page commentary by comics historian R. C. Harvey, and the original artwork was digitally remastered in full color. To celebrate its 25-year anniversary, Cartoon Books released Bone: Coda, a 120-page graphic novel that includes a 32-page short story featuring the Bone cousins returning to their home town of Boneville after the events of the last issue of Bone series, and the first print version of the e-book The BONE Companion by Stephen Weiner, illustrated with comic panels and photos.
 * Bone No. 1 Tenth Anniversary Edition (2001, Cartoon Books)
 * Bone Coda (2016, Cartoon Books)

Main characters

 * Fone Bone: The hero of the series, Fone Bone is the most courageous of the Bones but also the youngest. He and his cousin Smiley Bone help their other cousin Phoney Bone escape from Boneville after he upset the villagers, and get stuck in the Valley. He is passionate about his favorite book, Moby-Dick, and is the most level-headed and the smartest of the three Bone cousins. He has an unrequited crush on Thorn Harvestar. Fone Bone is very wary of his cousin Phoney's schemes, and always suspects him of something. The suspicion usually turns out right, and Fone is often angered by Phoney not seeming to care about the Valley (or the people in it), as Phoney constantly tries to leave to return to Boneville. After the Hooded One realizes Phoney Bone is not the person she needs to complete her ritual to revive Mim, the queen of the dragons, and realizes that Thorn is too powerful for her to control, she then seeks Fone, for in Ghost Circles, Vol. 7 of the series, it is revealed that Fone has the Locust inside him too, which likely came from either his encounter in Rock Jaw, Master of the Eastern Border, when he is knocked off a cliff, or in Old Man's Cave, when he rescues Thorn from the locusts by putting the Dragon Necklace on her. It is later taken out in Ghost Circles by Thorn, who takes it herself, because she was told to by her dead mother in a Ghost Circle. Fone remains unaware of this until Crown of Horns, when they try to destroy the locust by touching the sacred Crown of Horns. He saves the day by touching the Crown of Horns while holding Thorn's hand, who is incapacitated on the ground, stuck in Kingdok's jaws, whom she killed. There they are given a choice to live or die (there is a bright light, supposedly the afterlife/heaven); both choose 'live'. Thorn and Fone are both given pieces of the Crown of Horns as teeth which were knocked out in a fight with Tarsil's followers. The teeth apparently cause rapid healing of their injuries. His name is derived from Fonebone, the recurring surname that Don Martin gave to many of the characters that appeared in his Mad magazine strips. Wizard magazine ranked Fone Bone as the 28th-greatest comic book character of all time. IGN also ranked Fone Bone as the 60th-greatest comic book hero of all time, stating that "his good nature and his unrequited love for his ally Thorn make Fone the heart and soul of this fantastical book."
 * Phoncible P. "Phoney" Bone: Manipulative and greedy, Phoney Bone is the eldest and least courageous of the Bones and he will do anything to get rich. Run out of Boneville by an angry mob of villagers after trying to run for mayor of Boneville, his greediness and selfishness make an enemy of anyone who crosses him in the Valley. Referred to by the Hooded One as "The One Who Bears The Star" (due to the star on the T-shirt he wears), Phoney is sought after by the Rat Creature army though he does not know why (later it is revealed that the Hooded One erroneously believed a giant balloon of Phoney used in his campaign for mayor of Boneville that fell in her lair to be an omen that Phoney could be used to fulfill her agenda, as the balloon, which originally featured the words “Phoney Bone will get your vote” and became “Phoney Bone will get you”.). Though he is selfish, he is very protective of his cousins when he needs to be and shows he really cares about them. For example, when he is approached by The Hooded One who proceeds to threaten Fone Bone, Phoncible becomes angry and warns The Hooded One to stay away from Fone. A monologue he delivers late in the series reveals that his greed and selfishness are the result of his having been forced to raise Fone and Smiley after they were orphaned, forcing him to resort to dirty schemes to provide for them. At the end of the series he finally displays a courageous side, as he fought the Pawans and the Rat Creatures along with Grand'ma Ben and her army, and he appeared to retreat from the final battle only to return with armed reinforcements; though they arrive too late he still claims to be a hero.
 * Smiley Bone: The tallest of the Bones, the middle cousin and arguably the least intelligent, he plays a one-string instrument resembling a lute (but variously referred to throughout the series as a "banjo" or "guitar"). Smiley is often seen smoking a cigar, and often irritates characters with his simple-mindedness, even when seeking to help people, as when Lucius refers to Smiley's help as "torture” in The Great Cow Race. He takes kindly to a Rat Creature cub, whom he names Bartleby, and through his nurturing of Bartleby, depth of maturity is revealed in his character. When he and his cousins were children, Phoney made him steal pies off windowsills, because he was the tallest, and apparently they were poor to the point where they could not afford food. Phoney mentions that when he became rich, Smiley made him pay everyone back. Phoney Bone always employs Smiley in his scams, like in the cow race (The Great Cow Race). Sometimes Smiley shows a penchant for intelligence, as when, in Vol. 9 Crown of Horns, he devises a plan during the siege of Atheia. The plan is to feed the two stupid Rat Creatures (whom Smiley captured as they tried to infiltrate the city) quiche, then let them go "accidentally", so the Rat Creatures would tell their leaders that Atheia could withstand the siege, under the logic that if they could feed their prisoners quiche, they presumably have enough food to feed themselves making a siege hopeless. Later, he had aided Phoney in bringing armed reinforcements, though they arrived too late as the actions of the dragons ended the war. Though Smiley has his joyful and happy-go-lucky personality throughout the series, he also has his serious and sorrow moments while he had grown more mature when he first took care of Bartleby. At the later half of the series after Rock Jaw: Master of the Eastern Border, Smiley had shown more concern about the reality of the war in the Valley, as he maintained cautiousness for his friends in times of danger. Smiley is also fiercely protective of Bartleby; he refused to leave the cub behind despite Gran'ma Ben's strict orders and he went as far as to tackle a Venu guard to help Bartleby escape from an angry mob following an accidental exposure. Smiley later mourned Lucius and expressed sadness at leaving the Valley and saying goodbye to his friends and allies.

Valley characters

 * Thorn Harvestar
 * Seemingly a simple farm girl, it is soon revealed that she is heir to the throne of Atheia. She is also a "Veni-Yan-Cari" (the awakened one), one who can see into the "dreaming", a kind of parallel existence, or "spirit world". Thorn has excellent courage as well as fantastic powers, such as escaping through a landslide blindfolded, flying, and jumping a castle wall without injuring herself. In a sense she can do anything if she can "concentrate her dreaming". Fone Bone falls in love with her at their first meeting.

She starts off sweet and innocent, but later in The Dragonslayer, when the seriousness and reality of everything dawns on her, she takes on a more mature and tougher personality.

 * Rose "Gran'ma" Ben (born Rose Harvestar)
 * Thorn's grandmother, a tough-as-nails farmer who races against cows on foot as a hobby, and always wins. An immensely strong person, it is revealed that she is the former Queen of Atheia who escaped to Barrelhaven with Lucius Down to protect and safeguard Thorn.

 * Lucius Down
 * A large, gruff, older man who is described as over seven feet tall and over 300 pounds. Lucius is so powerful he could scare even Euclid into submission. He runs the Barrelhaven Tavern, and is the foil for almost all of Phoney Bone's schemes. In the later books we find that Jonathan Oaks was like a son to him. He was previously Captain of the Queen's guard and it was hinted he had a history with Gran'ma Ben, only to reveal later that he had 'picked the wrong girl', instead falling in love with her sister, Briar, whose motive in the affair was to hurt Rose. He was later in love with Rose Harvestar. Before the Rat Creatures destroy his tavern, he relocates to Old Man's Cave, where he becomes Captain of an ill-equipped infantry of Barrelhaven farmers. After the volcano erupts, he leads the farmers and Veni Yan south, arriving in time for the battle on Sinner's Rock. When the Hooded One prepares to kill Rose, Lucius grabs onto her just as she is destroyed; the resulting surge in power kills Lucius. His body is later taken north and buried behind the rebuilt Barrelhaven Tavern.

 * The Great Red Dragon
 * The son of the great dragon Mim, The Great Red Dragon is often Fone Bone's last-minute savior. The Red Dragon appears when he is most needed. Gran'ma Ben does not trust him, regardless of how many times he has saved her or her friends from harm. The Great Red Dragon seems to be incredibly ancient. In a sequence that shows the land during the Dragons' reign, supposedly the beginning of time, the Great Red Dragon can be seen fighting Mim along with other dragons. As said in the prequel Stupid, Stupid Rat Tails, he is Mim's son and he was part of the group that trapped her in stone when the Valley was made. He took care of Thorn during the Great War while Rose searched for a place for them to hide. He is also seen at the end of Stupid, Stupid Rat Tails during the time of Boneville's founding by Big Johnson Bone. Fone Bone indicates that he has a baritone voice. The dragon itself does not appear to have a name, beyond "The Great Red Dragon". If he has one, it is unknown to anyone but himself.

 * Jonathan Oaks
 * A small, often outspoken villager who works for Lucius at the Barrelhaven, and views Lucius as a hero. He is saved from an ambush from the rat creatures in Old Man's Cave after being wounded severely. It is suggested in Ghost Circles that he ultimately does not survive his wounds.

 * Wendell
 * One of Lucius' tough "bar-room boys" and the tinsmith of Barrelhaven. Outspoken in the early issues (he and Euclid have more than once threatened to trounce Phoney Bone), he becomes more introverted once the reality of the war presents itself. He often changes sides and his mind. He goes from hating the Bones and stick-eaters (Veni-Yan warriors) to following them, then hating the Bones again (though he gets along with Fone Bone following the victory of the war). He seems to be a powerful ally to have in his village and is often followed by the villagers when he changes sides. Despite his skinny appearance, he is implied to be just as strong as Euclid.

 * Euclid
 * Along with Jonathan and Wendell, one of the "bar-room boys". He is depicted as very large and muscular, and often wishes to resort to physical force to solve problems. He is consumed by a ghost circle after the volcano explosion, but returns after Thorn destroys the ghost circles.

 * Rory
 * A third bar-room boy. Is almost always present near Wendell, Euclid, and Jonathan, but rarely speaks. None of his comments give much of a hint to his personality. It is implied that he is a total follower with little or no influence.

 * Ted
 * A helpful Acanalonia bivittata, or planthopper, who appears as a recurring supporting character. Often mistaken for a leaf, Ted is the first creature Fone Bone encounters when he enters the valley and the two become fast friends. He harbors a strange link to the Red Dragon and has an older brother who is several hundred times his size. He is able to perform magical enchantments and has the ability to detect Ghost Circles.

 * Miss Possum
 * A female opossum who is the mother to the three possum kids, she is likewise a caring, motherly figure to everyone in the valley. She often has something to give to Fone Bone when she sees him, such as sealing putty, which Fone mistakenly eats a little of.

 * The Possum Kids
 * Three young opossums with a thirst for adventure. They have a knack for getting into trouble which then Fone Bone saves them from, but they are resourceful and cunning, and play a significant part in Rock Jaw. The possums look suspiciously like Pogo the possum from Walt Kelly's comic strip.

Main antagonists

 * The Hooded One (Briar Harvestar)
 * Servant of the Lord of the Locusts, Kingdok's superior, and the main antagonist. It is implied that The Hooded One is a former Veni Yan warrior, as she wears a similar robe and hood. It is later revealed that the Hooded One is Briar Harvestar, the elder sister of Gran'ma Ben and the grand-aunt of Thorn. It is heavily implied that her antagonism is based on nothing more than jealousy of Rose, who was apparently her mom's favorite between the two and had the affection of Lucius. When the Rat Creatures invaded in the great war, she betrayed the Royal family by showing the Rat Creatures the secret escape passage Thorn had used to escape the palace. When the King, Thorn's father, learned of this betrayal, he cut her in half with an abandoned harvesting scythe, which the Hooded One now carries as a weapon that can now cut through steel and rock. Briar was possessed and resurrected by a swarm of locusts. She is killed when her master, the Lord of the Locusts, is destroyed. It is suggested by some of her actions throughout the storyline that being the servant of the Lord of the Locusts drove her insane. Despite this, she is shown to be intellectual, being an effective rabble-rouser and even converting several humans to her side. Additionally, her proficiency with a scythe is a major part of her character, as she is almost always seen with the scythe and can use it easily.

 * Kingdok
 * A giant rat creature, ruler of the horde of rat creatures and lackey of the Lord of the Locusts. Although he is ego-maniacal and cruel, he is prone to superstition and easily manipulated by The Hooded One. He carries a golden spiked club around with him, until Thorn cuts off his right arm. Roque Ja at one point attacks Kingdok and rips out his tongue, which he keeps as a trophy. A possible continuity error is that while Roque Ja is bragging about owning the tongue, Kingdok cannot speak, but later speaks clearly to the Hooded One; after that, he attempts to say "kill you", and it comes out "gill yoo", just as one would speak without a tongue. This may be an effect of the Hooded One's power; while the Hooded One is alive he can speak, but after she is destroyed he cannot. Afterwards, Kingdok spends most of his time lumbering about underground to reach the Crown of Horns. At the end of the novel, he faces Thorn before she can touch the Crown of Horns. Having been stripped of his authority, dignity, and physical health over the course of the series, he demands that Thorn face him in a life or death battle. He reveals that he had been the one to kill her parents by eating them, and proceeds to bite Thorn's leg when she tries to get around him. He dies when Thorn stabs him shortly thereafter. In the Bone Handbook, Jeff Smith says Kingdok's design (large body and legs, but small arms) was largely influenced by the anatomy of a tyrannosaurus rex.

 * Fone Bone's Two Rat Creatures
 * Two rat creature soldiers, one blue, one brown, who have a particular interest in devouring the Bone cousins, and Fone Bone in particular. The two are rather incompetent, once deserting the army after their disobedience costs Kingdok his arm and later allying with the Bones briefly before returning to their own side. They address each other as "comrade". Fone Bone is the one who dubs the two "Stupid, Stupid Rat Creatures", most commonly when they are hanging off the side of a cliff. Occasionally other characters also refer to them as such. Fone Bone is also usually credited with coining the term "Rat Creatures" itself; however, he actually got the name from the possum kids. In Rat Creature tradition only royalty are allowed to have names, but in the spin-off novel series Quest for the Spark two young Bones gave them the names "Stinky" and "Smelly".
 * As it stands, the proper name of their species appears to be Hairy Men. Named after some incidents where one, or both, clearly emphasize their title, they in turn call Fone Bone "Small Mammal". In a running gag throughout the series, the brown rat creature often suggests cooking Fone Bone in a quiche. The other rat creature then flies into a rage, insisting that 'dainty pastry foods' are 'unfit for monsters', and that they should eat him in a stew—though he did once in a fit of anger declare an intention of eating Fone Bone raw, and on another occasion, when they were starving, told his comrade that he would not mind some of his home-made quiche. Later, Fone Bone himself delivered to the two some 'piping hot quiche' when he found them shivering in a bush after the Hooded One's defeat. They also have a major role in Quest for the Spark. The characters are also depicted as having a bad relationship with Kingdok, as he almost always berates them, often for unnecessary reasons.

Other characters

 * Bartleby
 * A purplish baby rat creature found by Fone Bone and adopted as a pet by Smiley Bone (who also gave him his name). After the Bones' first encounter with Roque Ja, Bartleby returns to the fold of the Rat Creatures, though is out of place there and returns to the Bones later after growing a little. He became a good friend to Smiley and when they left for Boneville, he went with them. Bartleby was named by Shaenon K. Garrity, for the title character in the short story "Bartleby, the Scrivener" by Herman Melville. Unlike the other Rat Creatures, Bartleby has round ears. He explains that the Rat Creatures are supposed to get their ears cropped and that he ran away before they could do that to him. Bartleby also explains that the first time he ran away from the Rat Creatures was after he got his tail chopped off. He states that all Rat Creatures are born with beautiful, long, hairless tails, but all the Rat Creature cubs have their tails chopped off around the time they turn one year old. This is due to their belief that a sort of boogie man named 'The Jekk' will drag them away in their sleep by their tails. In the prequel book Stupid, Stupid, Rat-Tails, we learn that the Bone cousins' forefather 'Big Johnson Bone' is the fabled boogie man they fear, having come to the Valley hundreds of years earlier and fighting the Rat Creatures by swinging them around by their tails. In a sequence depicting the land during the Dragons' rule, Rat Creatures with long tails can be seen in the distance.

 * Roque Ja (Rock Jaw)
 * A huge mountain lion and an adversary to Kingdok who views himself as neutral in the conflict between the humans and the Lord of the Locusts despite lopsided affiliations. He is the guardian of the Eastern Border. His personal views are that there is no such thing as "good" and "evil", only that power matters above all and that friendship and love are meaningless. He despises both Dragons and Rat Creatures but works for the Hooded One in exchange for land and spoils of war. His name is mispronounced as 'Rock Jaw' by the Bone cousins. His size also varies in the books sometimes being smaller than Kingdok to being large enough to fill a huge gap in the mountain side.

 * Roderick and the Orphans
 * Roderick is a young raccoon whose parents were killed and eaten by the two stupid rat creatures. He is the leader of a large group of orphaned animal children living in the mountains. Roderick is the only one named, and the complete group consists of a beaver, a boar, a second raccoon, two birds, a rabbit, a porcupine, a turtle, two snakes, a squirrel, and a chipmunk. Roderick the Raccoon is a main character in the Quest for the Spark, though he is now older and friends with Tom Elm, another main character in the trilogy.

 * King Agak
 * The new Rat Creature king in Quest for the Spark, who replaces Kingdok following the latter's death. Like Kingdok, he hates the two Stupid Rat Creatures. After the duo steal a dead squirrel from him, he becomes obsessed with revenge. Agak and his army are starving, and are convinced that they can cure their hunger by eating the Bones.

 * The Lord of the Locusts
 * The unseen dark lord who serves as the source of all conflict in the series. He is an evil, formless "nightmare" trapped inside a mountain, and appears in the form of a locust swarm to his henchmen and followers. He is powerless on his own, and relies on possessing others in order to accomplish his goals. He is even capable of reviving the dead, seen primarily with Briar. He is killed when Fone Bone and Thorn, bearing a piece of the Locust themselves in their souls, touched the Crown of Horns. He normally appears either as a formless mass, a bright light, a pair of eyes, a massive locust, or a swarm of locusts in a basic shape.

 * Mim
 * The benevolent queen of the dragons, considered to be the creator of the valley. She kept the world in balance by putting her tail into her mouth so that her body forms a circle, and perpetually spinning, until she was possessed by the Lord of the Locusts, turning her irrational and violent. The other dragons were forced to turn her to stone to seal the Lord of the Locusts. Her awakening was said to be the end of the world, but when the Lord of the Locusts was destroyed, an aged Mim returned to her function followed by all of the other Dragons besides the Great Red Dragon.

 * The Veni Yan ("stick-eaters")
 * A mysterious clan of hooded warriors, who respect dragons as the supreme rulers of the land. Distrusted by the townsfolk (who came up with the derogatory term "stick-eater") but trusted by Lucius, though often they do not trust him in return. They are loyal to the royal family even after Grandma Ben and Thorn went into exile and immediately recognizes Rose's authority upon her return to the capital. For much of the series, they serve as a channel of communication between the capital, Lucius, Grandma Ben, and Thorn.

 * Headmaster
 * The leader of the Venu and most powerful soldier. He is distinguished with a fur vest with bronze tokens. In the series, two appear. The first is the current one who has a feeling that the world is ending. The second one is retired in the city of Atheia and is the headmaster that appears in "Rose".

 * Tarsil
 * The ruthless leader of the Vedu. He is missing an arm and has a large scar down the length of his face, injuries he claims to have obtained while fighting dragons. He wears a large earring on one ear, and his beard in two separate parts each wrapped in a piece of cloth. He does not respect the monarchy of Aethia claiming that the throne is dead, even when Rose and Thorn return. He is killed by Briar in front of his own people, effectively ending his rule.

 * The Vedu
 * A separatist group of Veni Yan who are led by Tarsil. Although they wear similar hoods to the Veni Yan they are distinguishable by the eye on their hoods. The Vedu do not worship, or even respect, dragons, claiming that they have all gone into hiding or are uncaring enough to ignore their people. They have kept order in Aethia for much of the time that Rose and Thorn were in exile, and claim that things are better that way. However, some people disagree and continue to set out dragon shrines, which are forcibly removed by the Vedu.

Critical praise
Bone had only six issues published when it was selected for "Palmer's Picks" by Tom Palmer, Jr., who commented that "Smith's artwork is deceptively simple. He doesn't use much flash, yet he is a master of conveying gesture and body language for both humorous and dramatic effect". He also noted that "the series has only recently begun, yet it has been met with enormous amounts of critical praise from people ranging from Will Eisner to Peter David". Michael Arner from PopMatters.com was initially not impressed with the black and white artwork, and at first disappointed at the ending, hoping for a more conclusive dénouement. However, he ultimately praised the depth of the characterizations and Smith's ability to mix humor and adventure as perfect.

Bob's Comics Review described the work as "Tolkienesque" in its compulsive progression from a simple comic tale to a sprawling epic. Although critical of the earlier issues, the writer came to enjoy the range of writing "from slapstick (the cow race is a classic), to the scary yet hilarious rat creatures, to intimations of high fantasy". Smith's sense of timing was praised as well as the creator's use of the silent panel and "repeated scene with variations of movement or perspective". In 2004, Time critic Andrew Arnold called Bone "the best all-ages graphic novel yet published". In 2011, IGN ranked Bone 60th in the Top 100 comic book heroes.

Literary controversy
In 2010, a Minnesota parent sought to have Bone banned from all elementary school libraries in the Rosemount-Apple Valley-Eagan School District, citing references in the work to smoking, drinking, and gambling. After a hearing, a school district committee voted 10 to 1 to keep the books on the shelves. Other challenges and controversies that cite racism and political viewpoint as main problems have led to Bone's placement on the 2013 ALA Banned Books List. Smith remarked himself that "Bone was not originally created with children in mind, so I never worried about the fact that children might read them". This being said, the comics are regarded by critics as applicable to any age group.

Awards
Bone has received numerous awards and nominations, among them ten Eisner Awards    and eleven Harvey Awards.
 * 1993 Russ Manning Award for Most Promising Newcomer
 * 1993 Eisner Award for Best Humor Publication
 * 1994 Eisner Award for Best Serialized Story: "The Great Cow Race"; Bone #7–11
 * 1994 Eisner Award for Best Continuing Series
 * 1994 Eisner Award for Best Writer/Artist: Jeff Smith
 * 1994 Eisner Award for Best Humor Publication
 * 1995 Eisner Award for Best Humor Publication
 * 1995 Eisner Award for Best Writer/Artist: Humor: Jeff Smith
 * 1995 Eisner Award for Best Continuing Series
 * 1998 Eisner Award for Best Writer/Artist: Humor: Jeff Smith
 * 2005 Eisner Award for Best Graphic Album: Reprint: Bone One Volume Edition
 * 1994 Harvey Award for Best Cartoonist (Writer/Artist): Jeff Smith
 * 1994 Harvey Award Special Award for Humor: Jeff Smith
 * 1994 Harvey Award for Best Graphic Album of Previously Published Work: The Complete Bone Adventures; reissued in color as Bone: Out from Boneville (Scholastic Corporation)
 * 1995 Harvey Award for Best Cartoonist (Writer/Artist): Jeff Smith
 * 1996 Harvey Award for Best Cartoonist (Writer/Artist): Jeff Smith
 * 1997 Harvey Award for Best Cartoonist (Writer/Artist): Jeff Smith
 * 1999 Harvey Award for Best Cartoonist (Writer/Artist): Jeff Smith, for his body of work in 1998, including Bone
 * 2000 Harvey Award for Best Cartoonist (Writer/Artist): Jeff Smith
 * 2003 Harvey Award for Best Cartoonist (Writer/Artist): Jeff Smith
 * 2005 Harvey Award for Best Cartoonist (Writer/Artist): Jeff Smith
 * 2005 Harvey Award for Best Graphic Album of Previously Published Work: Bone: One Volume Edition

Nominations
 * 1993 Eisner Award for Best Writer/Artist: Jeff Smith
 * 1995 Eisner Award for Best Single Issue: Bone #16: "Eyes of the Storm"
 * 1995 Eisner Award for Best Comics-Related Item: Bone figurine, sculpted by Jeff Smith and Randy Bowen
 * 1996 Eisner Award for Best Title for Younger Readers
 * 1998 Eisner Award for Best Continuing Series
 * 1998 Eisner Award for Best Comics-Related Product: Bone Red Dragon cold-cast statue, sculpted by Randy Bowen, based on designs by Jeff Smith
 * 1998 Eisner Award for Best Comics Publication for a Younger Audience
 * 1999 Eisner Award for Best Comics-Related Product/Item: Phoney Bone inflatable
 * 2003 Eisner Award for Best Graphic Album Reprint: Bone vol. 8: Treasure Hunters
 * 2004 Eisner Award for Best Writer/Artist: Humor: Jeff Smith
 * 2005 Eisner Award for Best Comics Publication for a Younger Audience
 * 2006 Eisner Award for Best Coloring: Steve Hamaker, Bone: The Great Cow Race
 * 2008 Eisner Award for Best Coloring: Steve Hamaker, Bone (vols. 5 and 6) and Shazam: Monster Society of Evil

Canceled films and animated series
Numerous attempts have been made to adapt the books, all of which have failed to come to fruition. In the late 1990s, an attempt was made by Nickelodeon Movies to produce a film adaptation of Bone. Jeff Smith said in a 2003 interview that Nickelodeon wanted the Bone cousins to be voiced by child actors, and wanted the film's soundtrack to include pop songs by the likes of NSYNC; Smith was critical of this proposal.

In March 2008, Warner Bros. Pictures bought the film rights to the series. Smith's website confirmed on March 13 that he had made a deal with Warner Bros. to adapt the Bone saga into a film series. Further information was given in July 2011, citing that "two scripts have already been written and rejected—a third is currently in the works and will most likely yield three separate, computer-animated, 3-D films". In January 2012, Patrick Sean Smith, the creator of TV series Greek, was hired to write an adaptation, and that P. J. Hogan was attached to direct the feature, to be produced by Lin Pictures and Animal Logic. In November 2016, Mark Osborne had been hired to direct the animated adaptation for Warner Animation Group. Osborne, along with Adam Kline, were set to write the film, which would have been the first in a planned trilogy.

In October 2019, the project was picked up by Netflix for an animated series after Warner's turnaround of the project. However, in April 2022, production on the series was canceled during a reorganization of Netflix Animation. As of February 2023, Smith attempts to approach the animation studios to continue working on the animated series.

Action figures
In 1996, the toy manufacturer Resaurus released Series One of a Bone action figure line, featuring: Fone Bone with Rat Cub, Thorn, Smiley Bone, and Rat Creature. Five years later, a second line was released with Gran'ma Ben, Phoney Bone, The Hooded One, and a deluxe boxed set of Kingdok. Two exclusive figures were released through the toy and comic magazine Previews: Hooded One (glow in the dark), and Phoney Bone as Ahab. Most recently, in 2007, "Dark Horse Comics Presents" released a 5 in statue of Fone Bone, which is limited to 750 pieces and to be sold through Wizard magazine.

Video games
In 2005, video game studio Telltale Games developed an episodic adventure game series based on the comic. While five episodes were planned, only two were ultimately released. The first episode, Bone: Out from Boneville, was released on September 15, 2005, and the second, The Great Cow Race, on April 12, 2006. Both were available in downloaded or boxed form on Telltale's website for Windows-based PCs. The games were also available via Steam, but were delisted following Telltale's closure.

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Fraternal

Fraternal may refer to:

 * Fraternal organization, an organized society of men associated together in an environment of companionship and brotherhood, dedicated to the intellectual, physical, and social development of its members
 * Fraternal order, a fraternity organised as an order
 * Fraternal correction, the admonishing of one's neighbor by a private individual with the purpose of reforming or, if possible, preventing the neighbor's sinful indulgence
 * Fraternal party, a political party officially affiliated with another, often larger and/or international, political party or governmental party
 * Fraternal Day, a legal holiday in the state of Alabama in the United States

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User talk:Bob1943

Welcome to Wikipedia! Just a note--you might want to avoid putting advertising links in Wikipedia. It's fine if your purpose was to inform your fellow editors, but as you can imagine, a lot of us here are paranoid about spammers. Anyway, welcome again, and I hope to see you around here.

Yours, Meelar 22:08, 20 May 2004 (UTC)

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Tuckahoe River (New Jersey)

The Tuckahoe River is a 27.6 mi blackwater river in southern New Jersey in the United States.

One of the few blackwater rivers in the northeastern United States, the river drains an area of the southern Pinelands and empties into the Atlantic Ocean.

Course
The Tuckahoe River rises in central Atlantic County, approximately 5 mi east of Vineland and flows south, then east, forming part of the boundary between Atlantic and Cape May counties, then past Tuckahoe, where it becomes navigable. It flows into Great Egg Harbor Bay just south of the mouth of the Great Egg Harbor River, approximately 5 mi southwest of Atlantic City. The lower 4 mi form a widening estuary through Great Cedar Swamp downstream from its head of navigation at Tuckahoe.

Tributaries

 * Cedar Swamp Creek

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shaheen Lakhan (2nd nomination)

Update: I count 9 to delete, 1 ordinary user to keep, and 1 sock puppet to keep. I'll now delete the page. Wile E. Heresiarch 01:53, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

From Cleanup: Shaheen Lakhan was listed on vfd in February (debate) votes were 6-3 in favour of deletion with some advocating it be placed on cleanup. It has now been on cleanup for three months with no improvement. - SimonP 22:11, May 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * Comment. FWIW, user seems to be using WP as a Web hosting service: His Harvard page links to [] if you click the More link under About My Research. Also, only 190 hits, most of which seem to be mirrored from a Looksmart web directory. Niteowlneils 23:24, 20 May 2004 (UTC)
 * The page was obviously created by the subject's sock puppets. Delete this autobiography by a too obscure subject. --Jiang 01:07, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Does not appear obscure at all. Everyking 01:48, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Barely shows up on Google. Article reads like self-promotion. If cleanup hasn't done anything to it in 3 months, I don't think it's likely to improve. Delete. -- Cyrius|&#9998 02:23, May 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * Barely shows up? How many Google hits does a person need to get by your standards? And anyway, it looks like an all right stub to me. Everyking 02:59, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Well, I only see a handful, once you filter out wikipedia clones. -- Cyrius|&#9998 03:15, May 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * This debate has me totally baffled. I found more than 20 hits for his full name, Shaheen Emmanuel Lakhan, only one of which was from a Wikipedia clone. Everyking 14:27, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
 * You are correct. In fact, if you follow the google link, he has many more original pages, wiki being a minority.  --Kuhn3 16:47, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
 * I think if you look more closely at those hits, you'll find there's not much to this guy. Of the top five hits for "Shaheen Emmanuel Lakhan" on Google, four are stuff that he's written about himself, and one is a reference to his sole peer reviewed publication. The only person who finds him notable is himself. -- BTW the number of Google hits alone can't be a deciding factor; my name gets about 1000, and I'm certainly nobody in particular. Regards, Wile E. Heresiarch 15:28, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
 * I get ten hits, and more publications, and I'm really nobody. DJ Clayworth 19:47, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Self promotion. User:Slakhan has been littering various articles with his name, like, oh, intellectual property education. Wikipedia, mirrors, Looksmart & the like rise to the top of the Google heap -- not a good sign for a supposed big wheel in academia. To top it off, using WP as a free hosting service. Sheesh. Sorry dude, we're building an encyclopedia. Delete Shaheen Lakhan, and delete User:Slakhan as a violation of the no-free-hosting policy. Clean up remaining links at leisure. Wile E. Heresiarch 03:43, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
 * I was digging a bit more. I have to say this guy has very successfully created a Potemkin village of web pages and cross references. However: (1) the only thing that BIDMC Genomics Center knows about him is that he works in somebody's lab ; the most important person on that list is the PI at the top, and it's not Lakhan. (2) His USCD appointment is to be an instructor (not professor) for a non-technical course . (3) He's not on the faculty/staff list at Miramar College . (4) Foundation College is an online adult education provider; I can't find a Foundation College of Animal Sciences nor a Glory College at all. (5) Of the four papers cited at the bottom of Shaheen Lakhan, one is from a peer-reviewed journal, two are from Cogprints, an unreviewed archive, and one is from About.com. This is simply unremarkable and not notable in any way. -- Some anonymous commentator left some very telling remarks on talk:Shaheen Lakhan. All I can say is I can't agree more. Wile E. Heresiarch 06:30, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Do we need this discussion on every vanity article created by a signed-inuser? A user cannot create an article about themself. Delete.   RickK 03:50, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
 * It'd be nice if he could sum up the impact his ideas have had in any of those fields. As is, delete. Meelar 04:04, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. DJ Clayworth 19:47, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, vanity. Side remark: this is the first time I've seen a person who claims he maintains appointments as professor, instructor and assistant instructor at the same time. Andris 01:26, May 22, 2004 (UTC)
 * You don't seem to be an academician, people may hold various appointments at different institutions. --Kuhn3 16:47, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Does not appear obscure at all.  The original vote turned out to keep the page, so is this an anti-Wiki recall? Guess so.   --Kuhn3 16:47, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
 * same sock puppet as before. Happens not to post until Shaheen Lakhan get put on vfd. --Jiang
 * Delete. Information not verifiable. The article leads off by saying "Shaheen Emmanuel Lakhan is affiliated with Harvard University, Faculty of Arts and Sciences. I went to http://www.harvard.edu/directories/ to determine the nature of that "affiliation. I tried all three directory links listed there: Harvard University Telephone and Address Directory--faculty, staff, and students; Harvard Directory: people not affiliated with the Harvard Medical School, the Harvard School of Dental Medicine, and the teaching hospitals; Harvard Medical School White Pages:faculty, staff, and students associated with the Faculty of Medicine and the teaching hospitals. He's not listed in any of them. It gets weirder and weirder. His fas website, http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~slakhan/ gives his contact information as lakhan@fas.harvard.edu, 4 Blackfan Circle, Room 208 Boston, MA 02115-5713 Phone/Fax (909) 498-8657 -- but area code 909 is in the Los Angeles, California region. I can't guess whether he has any connection with the Harvard employee listed as "Sandy" Lakhan, an "LHT Employee" in the medical school's Department of Diversity and Community Partnership  Dpbsmith 01:45, 25 May 2004 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ulf Bergström

This page is an archive of the discussion surrounding the proposed deletion of the page entitled Ulf Bergström.

This page is kept as an historic record.

The result of the debate was to delete the article.

From Cleanup: Ulf Bergström unformatted, not sentences -- did some cleanup, moved to a cap'ed name. But is he notable? (I moved this to vfd but I do not have an opinion on if it should be deleted - SimonP)

 * 784 google hits, first one is a Wikipedia copy, second his homepage, and then a lot of non-english sites. 172 google hits if limiting to english articles only. Seems to be borderline but not famous enough for me, delete -- Chris 73 | Talk 05:11, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Never heard of him, and Google doesn't give much. If he really is notable, the current article doesn't explain why anyway. Fredrik 11:03, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. I agree with Chris 73.
 * Delete - Tεx τ urε 02:40, 24 May 2004 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Debate Quantity

This page is an archive of the discussion surrounding the proposed deletion of the page entitled Quantity.

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The result of the debate was to delete the article.

From Cleanup: Quantity dict. def. - (I moved this to vfd from cleanup and fully support its deletion - SimonP)

 * Quantity is an encyclopedic topic, but this article in its current state is not encyclopedic. Delete unless expanded. An only slighly fleshed-out stub will do as far as I am concerned. Fredrik 22:21, 20 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Dictionary definition. Could be moved to Wiktionary. —Frecklefoot 22:49, May 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * This is a dicdef. Wiktionary and delete if not made encyclopedic. -- Cyrius|&#9998 02:18, May 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * Wictionary's already got it, just delete this. Note that I agree with Fredrick, if were expanded even the slightest beyod a dicdef keep, but as it is now delete. --Starx 03:26, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete - duplicate of wictionary - Tεx τ urε 02:41, 24 May 2004 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cheat-sheet (Sheepshead)

This page is an archive of the discussion surrounding the proposed deletion of the page entitled Cheat-sheet (Sheepshead).

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The result of the debate was to delete the article.

From Cleanup: Cheat-sheet (Sheepshead) does not seem encyclopedic. Rewrite or redirect? (I moved this to vfd but I do not have an opinion on if it should be deleted - SimonP)

 * Keep. A good summary of basic facts from Sheepshead, also shared by several other Central and Eastern European card games. Andris 23:48, May 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. All content already exists in Sheepshead. -- Cyrius|&#9998 02:17, May 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * Agree with Cyrius, article is redundent. --Starx 03:19, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Without context this article is meaningless, and if it's already in Sheepshead, not needed here.  RickK 04:00, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, agree with RickK -- Chris 73 | Talk 05:08, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete - Tεx τ urε 02:41, 24 May 2004 (UTC)

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