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Please refrain from persistently deleting material
Please do not remove references and other material from the article Fidel Castro article without explaining the reasons for these deletions. This is considered vandalism. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 02:48, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Please do not keep undoing other people's edits without discussing them first. This is considered impolite and unproductive. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you.. Please note that you have reverted Fidel Castro five times today. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 04:17, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€  04:24, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Please do not remove warnings from your talk page. This is considered vandalism. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€  19:16, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Removing adminstrators notices is considered vandalism. This is your third and final warning. Continue deleting adminstrators warnings and you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia for a longer period of time. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 02:57, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

You are in danger of violating the three revert rule. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from further editing. Wikibofh(talk) 03:09, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Comandante, if you can't come up with a response, then please stop. CJK 22:41, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for vandalism of Wikipedia. The block is for a period of 24 hours. If you wish to make useful contributions, you are welcome to come back after the block expires. Please try to use talk pages before making controversial edits.Wikibofh(talk) 22:44, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Removing adminstrators notices is considered vandalism.≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 05:27, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Please email me re Cuba pages. cheers MichaelW 15:09, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

In the interest of full disclosure...
People have started an RfC against you, but failed to inform you. You may want to see Requests for comment/Comandante. Regards. -- LV (Dark Mark)  20:15, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Brothers to the Rescue
Please cite evidence to justify the edit you made to Brothers to the Rescue:. If you cannot provide evidence to back up your edit, it will be reverted. --Tetraminoe 02:59, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Image sources
I note that you've uploaded Image:Fidel-Speech.jpg. However, you haven't indicated the source or copyright status of it. Images without a known source and copyright information can be deleted at any time. --Carnildo 08:18, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

contribute to talk pages please
Thank you for your contributions to various Cuba-related articles. Please also contribute to talk pages, as this can help avoid endless revert wars. Jens Nielsen 08:15, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!
I commend you on your ongoing effort to root out some of the systemic bias in the Cuban related pages. Your contribution has not gone ignored! The community has stopped one of the culprits (User: 205.240.227.15), the future looks promising.--Colle 03:21, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Ali_Hassan_al-Majid.jpg
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Image Tagging Image:Fedayeen-Saddam.jpg
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April 2006
Deleting my warnings isn't helping you. They are in the history still and doing this only proves you are trying to hide your actions from other admin. --Scott Grayban 17:53, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Please do not remove warnings from your talk page or replace them with offensive content. Blanking your talk page will not remove the warnings from the page history. If you continue to blank your talk page, you will lose your privilege of editing your talk page. Thanks. --Scott Grayban 19:07, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Admin.... Please see for previous deleted warnings issued that were deleted. --Scott Grayban 19:11, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to remove warning messages from your talk page, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --Scott Grayban 19:16, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. --Scott Grayban 14:42, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Cuba
I see that you have been edit warring with User:Bletch. Instead of edit-warring, please use the talk page of the article. If you continue to revert the article for any reason other than removing vandalism, you will be blocked for violation of the 3RR rule.--Shanel 14:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

President for Life
Hi Commandante. Could you keep an eye on the President for Life article. Users are continuing to include Fidel Castro against NPOV and Verification guidelines. Thanks.--Zleitzen 02:57, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, this article : List of acts labelled as state terrorism sorted by state contains many unreferenced sections. A user is insisiting on an unsourced section on Cuba which needs to be removed if reinserted. --Zleitzen 13:37, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

And this page President of Cuba. An editor has inserted a US state department report which I believe unbalances the article, adds a unneccessary foreign POV, is actually largely false and is superfluous to the original article which dealt with bald facts. --Zleitzen 07:09, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Orphaned fair use image (Image:Ali Hassan al-Majid.jpg)
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User talk:Laguna72

Thank you for your fixes and additions, particularly the enormous mistake on the Capitol Hill dates. Looking forward to your expnsion of Federal Hieghts. CHL 19:02, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

thefacebook.com
Good work on the edits there. :) Jewbacca 23:18, Aug 19, 2004 (UTC)

Resignations after the 2004 US presidential elections
Just wondering if you'd like to comment on what I said on the talk page --Jpkoester1 05:05, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks alot for your help with George W. Bush's first term as president of the United States!

Utah Shakespearean Festival
Very nice job expanding and reworking the Utah Shakespearean Festival article. I'd like to suggest that you now delete the two remaining "stub" tags at the end -- the article doesn't read like a stub to me, and you deserve the credit! Steve Summit 12:51, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

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SMAC

SMAC may refer to:

Biology and medicine

 * Second mitochondria-derived activator of caspases or Diablo homolog, a component of the apoptosis pathway
 * Sequential Multiple Analysis - Computer or comprehensive metabolic panel, a panel of clinical chemistry lab tests
 * Supramolecular activation cluster, the structure comprising the immunological synapse

Other uses

 * Sabang Merauke Raya Air Charter, an Indonesian airline
 * Sarah McCreanor, known professionally as Smac
 * Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri, a computer game
 * Social Mobile Analytics Cloud, also called the third platform
 * Southern Maryland Athletic Conference
 * Southwestern Michigan Athletic Conference
 * Stone Mountain Arts Center, an arts center in Brownville, Maine, United States, North America
 * Supreme Macedonian-Adrianople Committee

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Category:George Harrison

Articles relating to the musician George Harrison of the Beatles and Traveling Wilburys.

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Jack Wisdom

Jack Wisdom (born 1953) is a Professor of Planetary Sciences at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. He received his B.S. from Rice University in 1976 and his Ph.D. from California Institute of Technology in 1981. His research interests are the dynamics of the Solar System.

Wisdom pioneered the study of chaos in the solar system. His 1981 dissertation demonstrated for the first time the theoretical reason for the clearing of the Kirkwood gaps in the asteroid belt. His work has also brought to light the chaotic rotation of Hyperion, chaos in the orbital evolution of Pluto, and the chaotic obliquity of Mars which has important implications for the past Martian climate.

Work with colleague Gerald Sussman using a specially-built computer demonstrated that the solar system as a whole is chaotic on a timescale of about four million years, confirming results from Jacques Laskar. This work was responsible for "shattering the long-held view of the clockwork motion of the planets."

More recently, Wisdom's work has shed light on the complex evolution of the Moon and the tidal heating and dynamics of Enceladus. In addition, Wisdom is credited with developing "numerous analytical and numerical techniques" that are fundamental to modern celestial mechanics, most notably the symplectic map for the n-body problem (developed together with Matthew J. Holman), which "now forms the core of nearly every solar system dynamics integration scheme in use today."

Jack Wisdom is co-author of Structure and Interpretation of Classical Mechanics. His 2003 paper in Science on a new geometric phase effect which Wisdom calls "spacetime swimming" has attracted considerable attention, although it is not yet clear whether this effect has practical utility or even can be used to devise new tests of relativistic gravitation theories.

Awards and honors

 * H. C. Urey Prize of the American Astronomical Society (1986)
 * Helen B. Warner Prize for Astronomy of the AAS (1987)
 * The asteroid 3402 Wisdom was named in his honor (1988)
 * MacArthur Fellowship from the MacArthur Foundation (1994)
 * Brouwer Award of the Division on Dynamical Astronomy of the American Astronomical Society (2001)
 * Elected a Legacy Fellow of the American Astronomical Society in 2020.

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Marble Hill
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your tz bridge photo
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Category:Endocrine system

The endocrine system is a control system of ductless endocrine glands that secrete chemical messengers called hormones that circulate within the body via the bloodstream to affect distant organs. It does not include exocrine glands such as salivary glands, sweat glands and glands within the gastrointestinal tract.

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Category:Massachusetts

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Bios

Bios or BIOS may refer to:

Arts, entertainment, and media

 * Bios (album), the third album by Costa Rican music group Gandhi
 * Bios (novel), a 1999 science fiction novel by Robert Charles Wilson
 * BIOS, the original title of the 2021 American science fiction drama film Finch
 * BIOS (journal), the society journal of the Tri Beta society
 * BIOS Faction, a fictional group in the Allegiance video game
 * "BIOS", a track on Blank Banshee's 2016 album MEGA

Computing

 * BIOS (Basic Input/Output System), a de facto standard firmware interface of IBM PC-compatible computers
 * AMI BIOS, manufactured by American Megatrends
 * Award BIOS, manufactured by Award Software
 * BIOS (CP/M), the BIOS in the CP/M family of operating systems
 * Insyde BIOS, manufactured by Insyde Software
 * Phoenix BIOS, manufactured by Phoenix Technologies
 * DOS-BIOS, the equivalent of the CP/M component in some DOS operating systems, IBMBIO.COM in PC DOS
 * IO.SYS, in MS-DOS
 * NetBIOS

Organisations

 * Bermuda Institute of Ocean Sciences
 * Biological Innovation for Open Society
 * BIOS-3, a closed ecosystem at the Institute of Biophysics in Krasnoyarsk, Russia
 * BIOS Centre for the Study of Bioscience, Biomedicine, Biotechnology and Society, at the London School of Economics, United Kingdom
 * British Institute of Organ Studies, for the study and appreciation of pipe organs

Other uses

 * Bios (philosophy), a philosophical concept of Giorgio Agamben
 * Biographies, or bios

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Talk:Penny Lane

Importance of the intersection
The article currently says "McCartney and Lennon grew up in the area and they would meet at Penny Lane junction to catch a bus into the centre of the city." But I just went on the Magical Mystery Tour in Liverpool and the tour guide said that actually Harrison and McCartney took a bus line every school day for years into their school in the city centre that passed through the Penny Lane junction. The guide cited this as the potential inspiration for McCartney to write the song and why the intersection was significant in his and Harrison's lives, not because after the Beatles formed, McCartney and Lennon met there to ride into town. (In fact, I do not recall the guide mentioning that McCartney and Lennon met there often at all, although that doesn't mean it didn't happen.) Their daily bus rides would have occurred several years McCartney and Lennon officially met, since that happened right before the Beatles formed. Can we add this to the main article, or does it need verification of some sort? xgravity23 (talk) 10:19, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Penny Lane junction was the central location for the area. Both McCartney and Lennon would have travelled on it repeatedly from childhood. Paul B (talk) 00:29, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Lyrics and Music?
I can only assume the "Lyrics and Music" section of the article was written by a wanker. It's utterly superfluous, subjective, and - worst of all - bafflingly useless. Any reason not to get rid of it?
 * It seems confusing (especially to someone as useless at music as me) but could blossom into a useful section - I'll work on it...... Densock  .. Talk (Dendodge on a public network) 12:14, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep it. I am a musician and I found it an interesting read.  Careful about calling people wankers; civility is the rule here.  69.243.144.144 (talk) 08:07, 2 March 2009 (UTC)Larry Siegel
 * I find the discussion very interesting, BUT it looks like original research. If these interpretations of McCartney's motives etc. can be attributed to a reliable source, that information should be included. Otherwise, it needs to be removed. Pity, but if WP became a forum for its editors' personal music reviews there'd be no end to it. --GenericBob (talk) 23:40, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

 * With the case of The Beatles, there should be enough first hand information as to what songs are about. To quote what people have thought about songs would bog wikipedia down.There is no indication that there is simultaneous rain, sunshine, or the coming of winter. The phrase "meanwhile back" indicates a new scene.  Lyric and chorus alternate, and to call this a kaleidascope with the intention of proving psychadelia is silly.   Second point, the phrase "nurse feels she is if she's in a play, she is anyway" is not LSD-redolent. The theme of being within one's own play is pre-LSD.     — Preceding unsigned comment added by Munshiraja (talk • contribs) 02:09, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Should Move Article
Shouldn't this article be moved to "Penny Lane (song)" instead of just "Penny Lane" like it is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.141.202.174 (talk) 18:31, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Douglas Adams
The story is almost certainly untrue and is an example of Adams' famously "sick" sense of humor. The late Mr. Adams wouldn't have hurt a fly. Text should probably be modified to indicate that it is a joke. 69.243.144.144 (talk) 08:11, 2 March 2009 (UTC)Larry Siegel

I think that it would be good to at least re-word this so that it wouldn't appear to the uninformed that Adams is a child-beater and that he was only about 15 when the song was released. Halberthawkins (talk) 04:30, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Genre
Sorry, but this song is definitely not baroque pop. Baroque pop includes elements of classical music. This has a more psychedelic theme.

FootyStavros (talk) 23:03, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

 * That's an interesting viewpoint, but how do you relate it to the two massive chunks of Baroque-style trumpet solo? Best wishes, DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered (talk) 23:39, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

 * True, a piccolo trumpet is a baroque instrument, but as the the song and backing track had been written before the idea of using the piccolo trumpet, it wouldn't make the song baroque. If McCartney had decided to use a sitar at that stage it wouldn't have made it a raga.--Richhoncho (talk) 00:02, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

 * I hate to pop up back here after months, but, as a point of fact, a piccolo trumpet is not a Baroque instrument. A Baroque trumpet is a Baroque instrument, and does not have valves; a piccolo trumpet isn't, and does: they were invented rather a long time after the end of the Baroque period. I know what you mean, and yes the picc is used to play the Baroque-style solo, but it might be important to make the distinction one day! :) Best wishes DBaK (talk) 09:42, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

 * The song is what actually exists, not some Platonic idea of the song. What exists includes the Bach-inspired trumpet solo. However what matters is the meaning of "baroque pop". Is there any meaningful defintion of "baroque pop"? The current article on the topic is feeble. Yesterday is included, even though the instrumentation clearly uses Romantic, not Baroque musical conventions. Paul B (talk) 09:45, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

 * Hi Paul, I don't really know why I joined in this discussion, I find the "genre" thing - as it relates to "pop" music pretty meaningless at the best of times. I suppose if Pet Sounds is going to be defined as Baroque pop, then so should this song. BTW Baroque music is much more illuminating. --Richhoncho (talk) 10:06, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

 * "Baroque pop" seems to be a term used by musically illiterate journalists to cover anything that uses vaguely "classical" instrumentatation. I agree with you that these debates about pop genres are often absurd, and this is no exception, but I guess we have to go with the terminology used in the field. Paul B (talk) 10:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Genre again
Is there any chance of building a consensus towards what it should actually say the genre(s) of this song is/are, or is it a lost cause? I just reverted someone, thinking that there already was a consensus, and now I am not so sure. Is it possible to agree this, or should we just let is flutter in the breeze? I must add that it doesn't worry me very much as I have a rather narrow interest in the song - it's just vaguely irritating seeing it changing from time to time in a sort of slow-motion edit war! :) Best wishes DBaK (talk) 09:45, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I wish I could help you, because it's too frustrating. PhD's in music theory will create new "genres", anonymous IP's will come along and change them; it's a losing battle.  Probably the most unattainable goal on music pages is to come up with "genres" that everyone agrees with, and no one alters.  "When you wish upon a star..." Doc9871 (talk) 08:29, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

The song is not really rock, baroque pop is enough.  Hel pslo ose    21:02, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Penny Lane or Rose Lane
According to a friend of mine who lived most of his life in the area most of the places described in the song (including the barber with headshots of all his customers) actually existed in Rose Lane, which is a more-or-less parallel street in the same area. But didn't scan right... Worth investigation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Machiajelly (talk • contribs) 20:24, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Not really, if McCartney had meant Rose Lane he would no doubt have called it that. Penny Lane (Allerton) and Rose Lane (Mossley Hill) are just like thousands of suburban high streets, in Liverpool, England and the world, in having businesses and services like these clustered together. True, Allerton fire station is closer to Rose Lane than Penny Lane, but the fire station is not in the song, only the fireman who has gone down the road to get a haircut. The shelter *is* at Penny Lane, and literally next to the barber and at least one prominent bank.

Anyone who lives in Liverpool, particularly South Liverpool, as all the Beatles did, understands the significance of Penny Lane, then as now, and the accuracy of McCartney's depiction. Part of the success of the lyric and song is in elevating this Liverpool scene to something listeners can identify with, in towns and suburbs across Britain and the world! Bakewell (talk) 08:56, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't know which part of South Liverpool Walton is in. Especially as it's mostly the other side of Bootle from Liverpool.... But McCartney was from Walton2602:30A:2C4A:1CB0:21FE:C235:6109:54AA (talk) 07:13, 8 June 2016 (UTC).

Rewrite of Ian Macdonald paragraph
The original wikipedia paragraph does not quite represent what Macdonald said on p177-179 of Revolution In The Head, 1994. In case anyone wants to further edit my changes, here are relevant excerpts from p179:

''However, as the film of Yellow Submarine later showed by using similar images in a psychedelic context, the song is every bit as subversively hallucinatory as Strawberry Fields. Despite its seeming innocence, there are few mor LSD-redolent phrases in The Beatles' outpu than the line (sung with an ecstatic shiver of grace-notes) in which the Nurse 'feels as if she's in a play' … and 'is anyway'.''

Then, as part of a footnote: ''The last Beatle to try LSD, McCartney was the first to admit to it (to a Life reporter in May 1967); consequently the usual guess is that he took the drug in early 1967. Penny Lane suggests it may have been towards the end of 1966. However, another version is that he took his first trip on the night of 21st March 1967 after Lennon has accidentally ingested LSD (mistaking the pill for something else) while recording backing vocals for Getting Better.'' Guyburns (talk) 04:11, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

written in 1966!
Böri (talk) 08:03, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Instrumentation
It looks like Penny Lane has been updated so that it credits John Lennon on guitar. Can anyone verify that Lennon played guitar in the song because I can't hear it. He must have been playing the guitar very softly. Also, why does it say that Paul McCartney played three pianos, Lennon played two pianos and George Martin played one piano? That's six pianos altogether. That doesn't seem possible because (and I know this is technically original research) I always associate that many pianos, guitars, basses, drum kits, et el with the Wall of Sound which I know McCartney didn't like in his songs. As far as I know, the piano used in this song (and most Beatles songs) was a 1905 Steinway Vertegrand "Mrs. Mills", which may have been double-tracked by Lennon and triple-tracked by McCartney. I can make out some instrument playing a staccato musical progression in unison with the piano(s) which may be the guitar but it's very faint, so I would like for someone else to confirm whether the guitar is really what I'm hearing. Also, how many pianos did the The Beatles have when this song was recorded?--Kevjgav (talk) 10:39, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

It looks like the band lineup is already cited. Personnel per Ian MacDonald. But I'm interested to know how many pianos they had during the Sgt. Pepper's sessions.--Kevjgav (talk) 11:38, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

It says in List of the Beatles' instruments that they had, in addition to the Steinway Vertegrand "Mrs. Mills" piano, a Steinway grand piano, a Baldwin Satin Ebony Grand piano, a Bechstein D-280 concert grand piano, a Bluthner grand piano and a Challen upright piano, which is a total of six. This song may use all six of The Beatles' pianos, three of them played by McCartney, two others played by Lennon and the remaining one played by Martin. But except for the Steinway Vertegrand "Mrs. Mills" piano, each one was specific to certain sessions: Steinway grand piano and Challen upright piano (Rubber Soul sessions), Bechstein D-280 concert grand piano (The White Album sessions), Baldwin Satin Ebony Grand (Abbey Road sessions) and Bluthner grand piano (Let It Be sessions) although this may not be accurate, just my understanding (which again is technically original research) of when The Beatles used some of their instruments.--Kevjgav (talk) 12:05, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

The part "allthough it did not top British charts, it was a hit in Europe " ? As if #2 in Britain wasn't a hit there. Very much in the spirit of there is fog in The English Channel, the Europe is blocked.Noseball (talk) 11:13, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

 * hi again. Further to your point at Talk:MMT regarding this song's personnel credits, I've just changed the list here to match what MacDonald actually gives – there had been some surprising (unsupported) changes. I think MacDonald could well have things slightly wrong when it comes to the more minor contributions such as percussion. With the Beatles working on 4-track, it's hard to believe that Lennon and McCartney would have played so much on the recording, and Harrison and Starr so little, as the recording was being built up. (There just weren't enough available tracks, surely, even allowing for a few reduction mixes along the way.) Anyway, those reservations aside, this is now the correct list per the source. JG66 (talk) 00:23, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

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Primary authorship
"written primarily by Paul McCartney" - really? There isn't any citation for this. What's the evidence for it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8A0:F90B:3701:D60:CFF3:108A:93EF (talk) 20:01, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Composition chords
In the Composition section it says:

...then switches to a Bm chord, singing the flattened third notes (on "know" with a i7 [Bm7] chord) and flattened seventh notes (on "come and go" [with a ♭VImaj7 [Gmaj7] chord]...

This is backwards as far as "third" and "seventh" - which should be switched as follows:

...then switches to a Bm chord, singing the flattened seventh notes (on "know" with a i7 [Bm7] chord) and flattened third notes (on "come and go" [with a ♭VImaj7 [Gmaj7] chord]...

(The flattened 7th and flattened 3rd are the notes A and D in the key of B major.)

Additionally, the very interesting and relevant G# half-diminished-seventh chord (preceding the G Maj7) is not mentioned.

2601:643:C100:2BCA:1145:90BE:1FB7:B583 (talk) 22:21, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

£27 and 10 shillings
"Mason was paid £27 and 10shillings for his performance on the recording."

That is over £500 in today's (2018) money.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-1633409/Historic-inflation-calculator-value-money-changed-1900.html

Which isn't great, but sounds less dramatic than £27 and 10 shillings!

In those days in the UK, you could get a new Austin Mini for £600 and a new 2 bedroom house (semi-detached) for £2500.

£27 and 10 shillings sounded like quite a lot of money to UK people back in 1967 (I was there).

2601:643:C100:2BCA:1145:90BE:1FB7:B583 (talk) 22:47, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Song ownership
"Catherine Holmes à Court-Mather is still the copyright owner of "Penny Lane" today, one of only five Lennon-McCartney Beatles songs not owned by Sony/ATV Music Publishing" I thought the entire catalogue had been sold to Michael Jackson? It seems a joint venture company was formed after Jackson's death. I have attempted to clarify. Any other suggestions welcome. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:11, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Release date
The WLS Silver Dollar Survey lists "Penny Lane"/"Strawberry Fields Forever" on 24 February 1967 debuting at #26 with four weeks on its playlist. Therefore the single was released in January 1967.107.185.97.165 (talk) 04:10, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Picc trumpet solo as music sample
If anyone feels like uploading this 19-second portion of the track (from the clang of the fire bell through to the end of the solo), I'd be mighty grateful. There's easily enough 3rd-party commentary on the part right now to demonstrate its significance and justify the inclusion of a second music sample; it's widely considered to be the most important part of the arrangement. This would replace the second sample that currently appears under Main recording, because there's nothing in the way of critical commentary on the significance of that aspect of the recording (only description), and nothing to match that on Mason's solo.

I've tried to upload the sample myself but get nowhere when attempting to encode the Audacity file to Ogg Vorbis through oggenc (I'm using a Mac, not Windows). I notice most of the Beatles song samples were created back in 2002, and then a few in 2013–14 for FA purposes, so it seems the Beatles project's lost its resident sample wizz(es) ... I'll post at WP The Beatles also. Thanks, JG66 (talk) 07:02, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Wow,, thanks so much for doing the honours. I'm over the moon (rejoicing even, on the level of Billy Preston channelling Ray Charles) because the article seemed incomplete without the sample. Truly fab. JG66 (talk) 01:57, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

UK chart positions
The source cited in the article says "Because the BBC treats both sides as individual releases, the single is the Beatles' first since "Love Me Do" not to reach No. 1 on the U.K. charts. Engelbert Humperdinck's "Release Me" tops them, despite the Fab Four selling nearly twice as many records."

The source doesn't say anything about the other charts in Disc, Melody Maker, New Musical Express or Record Mirror (which used the Record Retailer chart). The chart performance of "Penny Lane"/"Strawberry Fields Forever" and "Release Me" was similar in all the charts except Melody Maker which had "Release Me" at No. 1 for three weeks (before and after) and the Beatles at No. 1 for three weeks with Humperdinck at No. 2 those weeks. Was the same methodology used for all the charts?

"Release Me" sold over one million copies in 1967, so if "Penny Lane"/"Strawberry Fields Forever" sold nearly twice as many, that would put its sales around the two million mark. That would have made it the best-selling Beatles single ever in the UK, the best-selling single of 1967 in the UK, and the best-selling single in history in the UK at that time. And nobody noticed? Not EMI? Not the Beatles? Not Northern Songs?

Here's the text of an article "Hopes for strawbery fields forever" in The Guardian April 7, 1967:

The Beatles song publishing company Northern Songs has confounded many City critics by its growth record since being introduced two years ago. It has been riding high on success of the the Lennon-McCartney songwriting team and has been sustained in recent weeks on takeover possibilities. Some observers now see the first positive signs of waning popularity for the Beatles. Could Northern Songs carry on in spite of this? Victor Keegan talks to Mr. Dick James, its managing director.

For the first time for over four years a Beatles' record has not been an undisputed hit in the pop charts. At the same time shares of Northern Songs are riding high. Does this worry you?

With the charts there is always a certain amount of luck about any record getting to the top. It is true that ever since "Please Please Me" the Beatles have always made the number one position except for their latest, "Penny Lane," which was beaten—according to one chart—by the ballad, "Release Me." The thing about ballads like that is that, although they take a long time to take off, once they are established as hits it is very difficult to dislodge them. The ballad, "Release Me," was already established at the top when the latest Beatles record came out and so, in spite of the fact that the Beatles' record sold an enormous amount, it proved too difficult to dislodge "Release Me" in one of the charts.

The answer is that I am not worried. Elsewhere in the world it had sales comparable to previous Beatles hits, in America it won a gold disc within 48 hours and in Scandinavia sold even more. If it had been in competition with any other group and not with a ballad, "Penny Lane" would have been top here in all charts. As regards the share price—I am not a City man—I think that the shares, which are not yet at their peak for the year, are a good buy.

The article questions the Beatles popularity and Northern Songs' share value, and James doesn't say anything about "Penny Lane" actually selling more than "Release Me"? Nothing about the record-setting sales in the UK?

If the two sides are treated as separate releases, why are they listed together on the charts? I think someone has mixed up the UK charts with the US charts which did track and list the sides of a two-sided hit separately. Ohnothimagain (talk) 15:13, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

 * I take the mention in that source (billboard.com) that "the BBC treats both sides as individual releases" not to mean individual charting songs as they were in the US sense, but as a single where only sales of the best selling of the two songs were counted for a chart position. Also, I don't believe a case is being made for Strawberry Fields/Penny Lane having sold more copies overall in the UK than Release Me, just for the period when the Beatles' single sat at number 2.
 * Kenneth Womack's The Beatles Encyclopedia pp. 694–95 – which is a source I added at "Strawberry Fields" but not yet here – says under the entry for the 1 compilation: 1's contents are noteworthy for the exclusion of "Please Please Me," which failed to achieve No. 1 status in the key Record Retailer chart in the United Kingdom in 1963, and "Strawberry Fields Forever," which was blocked from the top spot in the United Kingdom in 1967 by Englebert Humperdinck's international smash hit "Release Me." In each case, the choice of omission is somewhat controversial. For example, "Please Please Me" was counted as a No. 1 hit by two other U.K. charts at the time, while "Strawberry Fields Forever" fell victim to a U.K. policy during that era that only counted half of the double A-side's sales, with the other half going to "Penny Lane," which enjoyed slightly stronger returns.
 * It does seem that Melody Maker had a different approach from Record Retailer, at least by early 1967, which is why the combined sides were listed at number 1. I don't think MM always did. In his book Beatles '66 p. 28, Steve Turner mentions the UK newspapers the Daily Mirror and the Daily Express predicting doom ("Has the bubble burst?", etc) in December 1965 when Day Tripper/We Can Work It Out fails to enter the MM chart at number 1. He quotes George Harrison as having said at the time that this was down to the single being marketed as a double A-side – which, I believe, is another reference to UK chart protocol. I've got a source that gives more of Harrison's statement, which I'll try to find, and I have a feeling he wasn't just talking about MM but Record Retailer also and that the Mirror and/or the Express didn't confine themselves to the one UK chart, even though that's how Turner presents the point. JG66 (talk) 03:17, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

 * For what it's worth here are the relevant charts:

 * Record Mirror (Record Retailer) Top 50 March 11, 1967 (page 11)

 * Melody Maker Pop 50 March 11, 1967

 * Ohnothimagain (talk) 13:57, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

 * Thanks (I know those pages well, in fact, from investigating this issue). But what's your point – that the two charts listed the double A-side in exactly the same way, with both songs included in the entry? They do. My comment above about MM possibly having a different methodology was just guesswork, trying to account for the different result vs Record Retailer and NME. It could well be that MM's methodology was no different, of course; perhaps they compiled their chart from a smaller sample of retailers ... JG66 (talk) 03:01, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Penny Lane, video release.
I do remember watching the Ed Sullivan show when the video for Penny Lane was released. Not quite 'quote' verbatim but I do remember this clearly enough. "Ladies and gentlemen, The Beatles are not able to make a personal appearance with us here tonight but they have sent us something else. The Beatles have another first. This is the first ever PROMOTIONAL MUSIC VIDEO". 'Ed Sullivan" I am surprised that this fact has never come up in all the books I've read about this First Ever event in the history of music videos. Drew Weselak. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.110.106.252 (talk) 20:19, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, first of all, it wasn't a video, it was film and Sullivan wouldn't have used the term "music video" as no such concept existed at that time. It was referred to a promotional film and it wasn't the first. The Beatles had been providing promotional films for television for some time now, in place of actual appearances. Other bands and performers followed suit (for example Dylan's "Subterranean Homesick Blues"). What can be considered the first "music video" or "promotional film" is up for debate since music films had been produced for some time before the Beatles for jukebox-like machines (such as Scopitone). The Beatles promotional films I believe are covered elsewhere.  freshacconci  (✉) 22:04, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

(Lack of) link to James Penny
I had an edit reverted twice noting the link to slave trader James Penny. I think this link would be notable, at least it's prominently covered in a number of news articles about the song. However according to recent edits to the page about the lane itself, it seems Penny Lane (the street) might actually have been named after a type of soil. So I'll leave it at that! Yaxu (talk) 19:09, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Either way it doesn't belong in this article about the song. All the article needs is how the song got its name, not the street. The Rolling Stones doesn't discuss the etymology of the word stone. Boston (band) doesn't discuss that the city Boston was named for Boston, Lincolnshire. I could name hundreds or thousands of examples. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Sundayclose (talk) 21:20, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

The nurse in a play
Stan Williams, a contemporary of the Beatles, has been able to identify (he believes) the "pretty nurse" mentioned in Penny Lane.

The lyrics: "Behind the shelter in the middle of a roundabout/The pretty nurse is selling poppies from a tray/And though she feels as if she's in a play/ She is anyway," refer to Stan's childhood friend Beth Davidson. Stan, who was born and raised in Liverpool and went to school with John Lennon, says: "I have a vivid memory of being on Penny Lane, for a haircut or something, and Lennon came up with his pals to talk to Beth and I. Beth was a nurse cadet and she would only have been about 12 or 13 at the time. We were all laughing and joking. She was carrying a tray, like they sold ice creams in old fashioned cinemas from, with poppies for Armistice Day. I remember the first time I heard Penny Lane. As soon as I heard the lyrics I thought 'Oh God, that's Beth'. I was, and am, absolutely certain it was her they were singing about". Stan and Beth were childhood friends and stayed in touch even after Stan moved away to go to university. Beth went on to marry Lennon's best friend from childhood, Pete Shotton. Sadly Beth died at the age of 35 leaving a son behind. David Bedford, webmaster of the British Beatles Fan Club, said: "This bit of the song has never been commented on before. It must have been John Lennon's contribution towards Penny Lane."

Also, the line "She is anyway" was assumed by the British press (at that time - I remember) to be a reference to a British soap opera called Emergency Ward 10 which was maybe todays equivalent in popularity to EastEnders and was a drama set in a hospital.

I feel sure there is some truth in both these assertions but they lack verifiable sources, alas (that I can find).

I thought I'd drop it into the conversation anyway and see where it might lead. Many thanks Patthedog (talk) 17:25, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

 * I'm intrigued as to what is your current unverifiable source. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:02, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

 * The above information was taken from Steve Hoffman's website which is a forum and appears to originate from the Liverpool Echo. The part regarding Emergency Ward 10 is from my own memory and was, I suppose, press speculation at the time. The image though (of a nurse selling poppies from a tray and being in a play) came from somewhere but, unlike the Barber's shop or the bus shelter, has left no physical evidence behind. Unfortunately, I don't think McCartney has ever talked about it, as far as I can tell anyway, so unless someone is able to add anything Beth will have to remain anonymous (which is a shame). Many thanks Patthedog (talk) 08:38, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

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Talk:Correlation function (astronomy)

How about a correlation between increments of wavelength in a given pixel optical depth?

The article on cross-correlation has been moved to cross-covariance. Please check the article to see if the present links are correct. PAR 9 July 2005 15:03 (UTC)

Merge with Correlation function
I see no reason for this article not to be integrated in the correlation function article. It will in fact introduce much needed info about applications to that article. (TimothyRias (talk) 14:17, 25 June 2008 (UTC))

 * I removed the merger proposal as it is a year old and hasn't led to any action. The terms as used in statistics and in astronomy are related, but the definition credited to Peebles is inconsistent with the definition as used in statistics (correlation in statistics is defined in terms of moments and cannot in general be interpreted as or converted into a probability).  Therefore I don't think this serves as an application of the statistical notion of a correlation function. Skbkekas (talk) 03:54, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Error in Current Article
This article has an important error. The correlation function does not give the probability of finding two galaxies separated by a distance r; rather it gives the *excess* probability over what it would be if galaxies were randomly distributed. In other words, if the correlation function is equal to zero, then galaxies are randomly distributed in space. (AAB)
 * Fixed. Felix116 (talk) 10:20, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Vangelis

Duplicate discography
I've moved the duplicate discography here for review. JFW | T@lk  13:32, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

This below is chronology of all Albums by Vangelis, Jon and Vangelis, Demis Roussos and Vangelis, Irene Papas and Vangelis (it does not include some best of, compilations) neither does it include Aphrodites Child albums and early recordings with Formynx.

•	01  	        (1970)  Sex Power (Soundtrack)

•	02		(1971) The Dragon (recorded in 1971-Released in 1978) Released by Charly Recods Not authorized by Vangelis

•	03		(1972) Fais Que Ton Rêve Soit Plus Long Que la Nuit

•	04		(1973) L'Apocalypse des Animaux (Soundtrack)

•	05		(1973) Earth

•	06		(1975) Ignacio – Do You Hear the Dogs Barking

•	07		(1975) Heaven and Hell

•	08		(1976) Fête Sauvage (Soundtrack)

•	09           (1976)  Albedo 0.39

•	10		(1977) Spiral

•	11		(1977) Ignacio

•	12		(1978) Hypothesis Not authorized by Vangelis

•	13		(1978) Beaubourg

•	14		(1979) China

•	15		(1979) Opera Sauvage (Soundtrack)

•	16		(1979) Odes – Irene Papas and Vangelis

•	17		(1980) See You Later

•	18		(1981) Chariots of Fire (Soundtrack)

•	19		(1981) The Friends of Mr Cairo – Jon and Vangelis

•	20		(1982) Blade Runner (Soundtrack)

•	21		(1982) Missing (Soundtrack)

•	22		(1983) Antarctica (Soundtrack) JAPAN IMPORT (1988 : THE NETHERLANDS)

•	23		(1983) PRIVATE COLLECTION – Jon and Vangelis

•	24          (1984)  Soil Festivities

•	25 		(1984) Best of Jon and Vangelis

•	26		(1984) The Bounty (Soundtrack)

•	27		(1985) Mask

•	28		(1985) Invisible Connections

•	29		(1988) Direct

•	30		(1990) The City

•	31		(1991) Reprises – Best of (1990-1999)

•	32		(1992) 1492: Conquest of Paradise (Soundtrack)

•	33		(1995) Voices

•	34           (1995)  ATTITUDES – Demis Roussos and Vangelis

•	35		(1996) Oceanic

•	36		(1996) Jon and Vangelis Another Page of Life

•	37		(1996) Portraits – (Vangelis, Jon & Vangelis – Best Of)

•	38		(1998) El Greco

•	39		(1999) Reprises 1990 – 1999 (Best off)

•	40		(2001) Mythodea for NASA Mission: 2001 Mars Odyssey

•	41		(2004) Alexander (Soundtrack)

•	42		(2007) El Greco: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack

•	43           (2007)  Blade Runner Trilogy: 25th Anniversary (Soundtrack)

•	44           (2012)  Chariots of Fire – The Play from The Stage Show)

•	45           (2012) Trashed (Soundtrack) Not released on CD by Vangelis

Transcription of pronunciation
The Greek pronunciation of Βαγγέλης is transcribed using [ɲ]. Surely this should be [ŋ]? This page shows that <γγ> is pronounced [ŋɟ]. — 91.238.123.116 (talk) 17:09, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Aristotelis Koundouroff
In the article lead is mentioned that Vangelis "having taken piano lessons from renowned Greek composer Aristotelis Koundouroff". Is there a reliable source(s) to confirm he taken lessons from Koundouroff? The information was removed from the lead until reliable source is found.--Crovata (talk) 12:58, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Solo career breakthrough
This section needs work, I don't have time at the moment to do it but the English is written quite poorly.Dobyblue (talk) 15:04, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Lessons
Actually he didn't take piano lessons and went to a music school. His parents tried to enroll him but he refused. Sources:. a quote provided by the telegraph confirms this info: "I was lucky not to go because music schools close doors rather than open them". too bad those claims will not fixed since no major editors are working in this article as we can see by clicking the page's history. but i have faith that one of our recent editors,, who fixed the transliteration, will take the lead. Hakken (talk) 13:52, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Just do it. You already have the sources! :-) Your first sentence is confusing though; I think it means "he didn't take piano lesson or go to a music school", but implies "he didn't take private piano lessons, but instead went to a music school", which appears to be contradicted by the rest of your post.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<  13:58, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * yeah thats what i was trying to say. as you can see i'm not a native speaker so i'm not adequate for editing this article. Hakken (talk) 14:06, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I totally do not understand what you do not understand about the revision, and your edit in which removed a significant part of the information on his early life which was reliably sourced and cited was without any valid argument.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 15:19, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The issue with the first section is that it lacks consensus on whether Vangelis went to a music school in his early years. For instance, it's mentioned he attended school to study music when he was a kid but Vangelis himself refuted this claim when asked if he had taken piano lessons, stating "My parents tried to push me to go to the music school, but they failed. It was just an attempt." Again, in a The Telegraph interview, he further refutes this question with a quote that conflicts with what's being said in the article: "I was lucky not to go because music schools close doors rather than open them".

 * On the other hand, the page in general is improperly sourced, with non-authoritative references such as fan sites being cited, which is not allowed in Wikipedia. I mean look at we have as sources:          . They are not reliable, not because of their looks but because they lack a fact checking structure, mostly because of their nature: websites whose content is self-published and user-generated. That said, i think it's our duty as editors to remove these sources and any claim that goes against what the author says. Hakken (talk) 19:04, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * You removed a whole paragraph of which only one part was relevant to this possible issue. However, it is stated that they enrolled him, he obviously went because of the quote in which he mentioned teachers, but he was lucky not to go i.e. to continue. It does not mean he never went to a music school. As for these other sources, can you write along these links the reference number because currently, I am not able to check them as and understand what they support? I do not support removing possibly relevant claims if a reliable source can be easily found, it would be unnecessary to make so many reverts.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 19:34, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

 * Took a stab at a rephrase, reflective of the source and proportionate weight of the claims above. Not watching, please ping if you need additional feedback. czar  15:06, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Source Substitutions
One of the articles cited is from an online encyclopedia, "Musician Guide". Although the source is decent, referring to the sources cited in the "further" reading would be more beneficial. As it is an online encyclopedia, I don't think that it is a good source to cite on Wikipedia. Today, I substituted a citation from that site to the actual Life article in regards to the statement, "When the teachers asked me to play something, I would pretend that I was reading it and play from memory. I didn't fool them, but I didn't care." I will plan to add more sources from the following sources listed on that site:

 * Commonweal, November 20, 1992.
 * Down Beat, February 1992.
 * High Fidelity, August 1983.
 * Library Journal, May 1, 1983.
 * Life, July 1982.
 * New Yorker, July 12, 1982; June 11, 1984.
 * People, April 19, 1982.
 * Playboy, January 1983.
 * Rolling Stone, May 13, 1982.
 * Stereo Review, March 1982; January 1983; December 1983; June 1985.

 Yoshiman6464   ♫🥚 16:16, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

upsilon/beta spelling of the name
why is the υ in his name pronounced as a β, and in fact replaced by β in his stage name?

according to the greek alphabet wiki υ is equiv to english "i". shouldn't the pronunciation be "eˈiaɲɟelos" or something?

or SPELLED with a β if indeed it is read as "eˈvaɲɟelos"?

if it's some basic language rule like, say, "β is written as υ in non-initial position" pls clarify. maybe not in article but here at least -- really confusing why "vang..." and "evang..." are written so differently. 66.30.47.138 (talk) 23:11, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

 * It is a language rule.

 * The Greek letter "υ" is normally a vowel but it also forms two digraphs: "αυ" and "ευ". In that context, the "υ" becomes a consonant, pronounced like English "f" or "v", depending on the word.  See Upsilon.

 * I am not sure what determines whether the "υ" in these digraphs gets pronounced like English "f" or like English "v". Maybe it depends on whether it is followed by a continuous or syncopated sound?  Native speakers pick up the accepted pronunciation for such words from elders and peers, then just remember it.

— Black Walnut talk 03:31, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * In the case of Vangelis's name (Ευάγγελος), the "υ" is pronounced hard, like English "v". "Ευάγγελος", is the full, formal name.  It is what you would see in his birth certificate.  In everyday speech, most people so named prefer the abbreviated form "Βαγγέλης".  This inherits the "v" sound from the formal name, then gets back-spelled phonetically.  The change in spelling is necessary because a "υ" without the preceding "ε" would read like English "i" (as in "in").

 * ok, got it. incl the need for the spelling change once the "E-" is stripped.  but are there also any who spell the full form "Εβάγγελος" to begin with?
 * also...u state that "most people prefer" Βαγγέλης. so this is a standard pet form of the name, not a stage name specific to HIM?
 * should be made clearer in the article. especially as the FINAL vowel also changes (-ος to -ης); it is more than simply an "abbreviated form".
 * is there a particular REASON for this vowel change (shift in STRESS, i'm guessing)? do the forms "Βαγγέλος" and "Εβάγγελης" also exist?  COULD they, even?
 * btw, does modern greek completely lack a "b" sound? when referring to Boston or Berlin, say, do they indeed render these as /v/? 66.30.47.138 (talk) 16:11, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * btw, does modern greek completely lack a "b" sound? when referring to Boston or Berlin, say, do they indeed render these as /v/? 66.30.47.138 (talk) 16:11, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

 * > are there also any who spell it "Εβάγγελος" to begin with?

 * No, that is a spelling error. Read phonetically, it would be pronounced same as "Ευάγγελος", but it's weird.  It is akin to writing, in English, "skool" instead of "school": readers know what you mean but you look like an idiot.

 * > Βαγγέλης. so this is a standard pet form of the name, not a stage name specific to HIM?

 * Almost. "Βαγγέλης" is indeed an ordinary (and fairly common) Greek name.

 * But, to a Greek audience, the spelling "Vangelis" is very much perceived as a stage name, chosen to be marketable to English speakers, because it is written in Latin script and because it omits the last name.

 * So, in Greece, he is publicly known as "Vangelis", not "Βαγγέλης". The foreignness of the spelling alerts the reader to the fact that one writes of the famed musician, not of one's buddy.  Contrarily, I imagine, Vangelis' family uses his name's Greek spelling.

 * To be clear, "Βαγγέλης" is a short form, not a pet name. The pet form of his name is "Βαγγελάκης" (vangelakis = little vangelis).  Which, BTW, forms its own short form: "Λάκης" (lakis).  Further, a name can have multiple short forms.  I can think of at least one more: "Βάγγος" (vangos).

 * > should be made clearer in the article.

 * Perhaps.

 * But Vangelis isn't the only person with a non-English name to achieve fame in the English-speaking world. Should every article for such people explain all foreign language intricacies which apply to the subject's native name?

 * > especially as the FINAL vowel also changes (-ος to -ης); it is more than simply an "abbreviated form".

 * Not at all. "Βαγγέλης" is merely the name's shortened form.  Nothing extra is happening here.  Consider similar situations in English:

 * James->Jim: we don't merely drop the "es" suffix, the middle letter also changes from "a" to "i".
 * Robert->Bob: we don't merely drop the "ert" suffix, we also change the leading "r" to "b".
 * Theodore->Ted: we replace the "-odore" suffix with "d", and also change the "th" to "t" and switch the pronunciation of the remaining "e" from /I/ to /ɛ/.

 * > is there a particular REASON for this vowel change (shift in STRESS, i'm guessing)?

 * The shift in stress is a consequence of eliminating the initial syllable. The vowel change has to do with shifts in the language over the last two and a half millenia.  Essentially, the long form follows an older template.  The short form follows a newer template.  See Modern Greek and Diglossia.

 * > do the forms "Βαγγέλος" and "Εβάγγελης" also exist? COULD they, even?

 * Neither of these forms exist. They break the mold, so they cannot exist.  But languages evolve.  In a century or two, the name could evolve into forms that seem absurd now.

 * > btw, does modern greek lack a "b" sound? when referring to Boston or Berlin, say, do they indeed render these as /v/?

 * Modern Greek does have the "b" sound which English uses in "Boston". The sound is spelled with the digraph "μπ" (= Greek m + Greek p.  Try mouthing those two letters simultaneously, to experience the rationale behind the choice in digraph).  Example word: "μπουκάλι" (= bottle).

 * However, Greek rarely follows the native pronunciation of foreign placenames. It applies Greek cultural and linguistic rules in order to assimilate the foreign word.  Most (all?) languages, including English, do this.
 * So, in Greek, "Boston" is pronounced "vostoni" and written "Βοστώνη", not "Μπόστον" (which is the direct transliteration of the English placename into Greek script). Berlin is pronounced "verolino" and written "Βερολίνο".

 * If you write "Μπόστον", cultured readers may understand what you mean. Regardless, that spelling/pronunciation conflicts with Greek linguistic rules and highlights the author's/speaker's foreignness.  Foreign transcriptions are often used for comedic effect in the arts and in daily language.
 * Actually, "Μπόστον" is hilarious! On several levels: a. it misgenders the city as neuter (Boston is a female city, in Greek).  b. the word has the exact same consonants as the word for an elderly person's cane, which is a funny visual for a city.  c. it begins with a "μπ" sound, which is a very pedestrian-sounding prefix, while trying to sound refined by reproducing the placename's native pronunciation.  This is camp at its best!

 * English applies assimilation rules too: we call the Greek capital "Athens" yet the city's native name is Αθήνα (pronounced "athina" and with the stress on the middle syllable, not the first). To assimilate the Greek placename, we transform it into something more English-sounding.

 * English preserves the French spelling of France's capital, Paris, but mispronounces every letter but the first. If, while speaking in English, you use the placename's native pronunciation ([paʁi] listen), you sound effete.

— Black Walnut talk 09:16, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Human language is complicated!

 * If I may offer my perspective as a native Greek speaker to the discussion, here's the reason why the official name of Vangelis is spelled Ευάγγελος and not Εβαγγελος. From what I know, the name comes from the ancient Greek name Εὐάγγελος. This in its turn is created by the prefix ευ- (other words with this prefix: ευχάριστος, εύκολος, εύμορφος, ευτυχία, ευθυμία) and the noun άγγελος. The prefix has always a positive meaning and means: good, positive. Άγγελος means angel. So, Ευάγγελος is the "good angel" or "he that bears good news (αγγελίες)". The Gospels in Greek are called Ευαγγέλια, because of the positive message they carry, and the apostles were called for the same reason Ευαγγελιστές. I like the meaning of his name. It matches greatly with his music, that makes me feel always better and good, like a medicine for a broken soul. RIP legend. Mlliarm (talk) 23:56, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Death
Are Greek media considered trustworthy?

Is there any other foreign (eg. French) source that reports his death?

The French, German and Spanish wikipedias don't report his death, nor have updated their page.

How certain are we that Vangelis has passed away? Mlliarm (talk) 16:26, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

 * Pretty certain. News being reported everywhere in the last half hour or so. dstumme (talk) 17:23, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

 * Mea culpa. Washington Post reported it with the name of his collaborator too, so for me this is as official as it gets. Thanks. Mlliarm (talk) 18:04, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * LOL. The WP? Really?  heh 50.111.55.26 (talk) 21:47, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I didn't create the death record until I saw it in Reuters. Hyperkabob (talk) 18:11, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Someone could try to contact him to see if he really died. 50.107.131.242 (talk) 22:29, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Full and accurate name of Vangelis wanted
Greetings, all. I understand there is a disaccord in Greek media about the full name of Vangelis. Some sources claim Vangelis had two first names in Greek, "Evángelos" and "Odysséas", which is also the way the article currently has it, while others quote "Odysséas" as only his father's name. We have two causes to worry about the accuracy of the former version, currently reproduced in Wikipedia: One, a father giving his own name to his son appears to be uncommon in modern Greece. Not non-existent, but quite uncommon. And, two, the way it is written in sources such as The Guardian obituary can be the result of some confusion about the way full names are often written in modern Greek. "Evángelos Odysséas Papathanassíou" could well be a transfer to English of "Evángelos Odysséa Papathanassíou". Note critical absence of final letter 's'.

Βear with me, please! While the word "Odysséas" is, in Greek, in the nominative (aka subjective) case, which is the way all names are expressed in English, the word "Odysséa" is in the genitive case and means "of Odysséas". In other words, "Vangelis" of "Odysséas", "Vangelis, son of Odysséas". So, we might have an issue here.

Additional, solid sources, preferably of official Greek origin, such as a copy of his birth certificate, would be very welcome. -The Gnome (talk) 11:21, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

 * Hello The Gnome! The form «Ευάγγελος Οδυσσέα Παπαθανασσίου» might make sense according to your reasoning but it's not something that occurs in reality according to my experience. I too use in all my formal emails my father's name as a second name, but always in the nominative case. In Russian on the other hand, the case of the father's name changes so that it means "of fathers_name", example: Максим Петрович Иванов. Which means Максим (of) Петров Иванов. So in this example from Russian, Максим is the name of the son, Петров the name of the father and Иванов the surname of the father. In modern Greek we don't do that (don't know why), so the correct form (again as mentioned earlier, according to my 40+ experience of speaking the language, and having lived and studied in Greece about 36+ years) is: Ευάγγελος Οδυσσέας Παπαθανασσίου. Mlliarm (talk) 07:33, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response, Mlliarm. Do you have any examples in modern Greek where a person cites their full name and includes the father's name in the nominative case? In my experience, and contrary to what you state, I have never encountered that. It's only when a Greek person states their name in English, or some other language perhaps, that they may state like that their father's name - and erroneously too, since abroad this typically denotes an additional first name. Greek language is all about cases - for every name and every noun. So, it is rather difficult to accept without some solid counter evidence this supposedly constant use of the nominative case. -The Gnome (talk) 14:21, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You're welcome The Gnome. Truth be told, it is customary in those Greeks that wish to use their father's name to just use the initial letter, so I'm not really sure. For example, Ευάγγελος Ο. Παπαθανασσίου. I see that the known linguist G. Babiniotis is written as Γιώργιος Μπαμπινιώτης του Δημητρίου in the Greek Wikipedia's lemma. So this supports your suggestion (use genitive case instead of nominative case). Also I've discussed this question with my better half that did classical studies in a Greek high school and agreed with you that if you want to use the father's name, you'll either have to write Ευάγγελος Παπαθανασσίου του Οδυσσέα (or του Οδυσσέως) or use the form you're suggesting: Ευάγγελος Οδυσσέα (or Οδυσσέως) Παπαθανασσίου. Mlliarm (talk) 14:35, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

 * I guess editors based in Greece might find it easier to find a copy of his birth certificate. Is there any pertinent discussion at el.wiki? I'm not able to see an existing source attached to his names here. Is it given in Hischak (2015) The Encyclopedia of Film Composers? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:59, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't have the book Encyclopedia of Film Composers. (A specific page number is cited in the article but I cannot verify the content.) As to Greek sources, I can report, as a competent user of the language, that the major newspaper To Vima does not have the "Odysséas" part in the first name of the artist in its 2008 portrait or in this 2012 report about asteroids named after celebrities; Capital magazine's website does have it but the text reads like a Wikipedia mirror, as do reports such this Reuters obituary; in the collection of interviews of his most extensive fan-site, the only mentions of "Odysseus"/"Odyssey" are in reference to the Mars mission; and so on. -The Gnome (talk) 15:09, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The Greek article el:%CE%92%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%B3%CE%AD%CE%BB%CE%B7%CF%82_%CE%A0%CE%B1%CF%80%CE%B1%CE%B8%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%83%CE%AF%CE%BF%CF%85 seems to be the same as here? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:42, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Martinevans123, yes, the article in the Greek-language Wikipedia has Vangelis' name as it is here, in the English-language one: Evángelos Odysséas Papathanassíou. The Greek edition cites two sources: The obituary in The Washington Post and the one from Reuters. Both seem a bit suspicious to me since they use an overall identical phrasing; they may be simply quoting from a single source. The French-language edition of Wikipedia, seeing as Vangelis spent most of his life in France, should have better sourcing. Interestingly, it transpires that they too have it as "Evángelos Odysséas Papathanassíou" but their only reference for that is the website of Universal Music, which makes a mess of the full name: "Evanghelos Odyssey Papathanassiou". So, personally, I remain quite uncertain. For the time being, then, yes, we have nothing better for the text in the article. Still, in the biography of such a well known, actually world famous, artist it's quite incongruous, if not unforgiveable, to lack solid information on the full name. -The Gnome (talk) 11:10, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your clear explanation. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:04, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Personal life and death -- drug use
In 2005, he stated that he was "never interested" in the "decadent lifestyle" of his band days, choosing not to use alcohol or other drugs. -- In the original music video for Chariots of Fire, he is seen smoking a cigarette, so smoking must have been a significant part of his life in 1981. Tobacco is a drug. Thoric (talk) 16:08, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Date confusion
I’m not sure where this question should be raised. Vangelis’ birthdate is given as 1943-03-29, but under the “Career” section of the article it says “In 1967, at age 25, Vangelis formed a…”

I don’t know the correct information, but this seems inconsistent. Thanks. Simply Pneumatic (talk) 04:01, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

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South Central Railway zone

The South Central Railway  (abbreviated SCR) is one of the 19 zones of Indian Railways. The jurisdiction of the zone is spread over the states of Telangana, Maharashtra, Karnataka,  Andhra Pradesh. It has three divisions under its administration, which include Secunderabad, Hyderabad, Vijayawada, Guntur, Guntakal and Nanded. Secunderabad, Telangana is the Zonal headquarter

History
Ex MP Bayya Suryanarayana Murthy requested in creation of a new railway zone while speaking about the size of the zones, he said the following: "I am tempted to speak about the Southern zone. This zone, as I said, consists of 6,017 miles. It spreads itself like a leviathan into five States— Bombay, Mysore, Andhra Pradesh, Madras and Kerala. It is not only over-sized but it is unwieldy. The Railway Board has to consider whether it could not be bifurcated. In this connection, the creation of a new zone known as the South Central Zone may be thought of. It may consist of the following divisions: Bez-wada division, Guntakal. Hubli, Wal- tair, Secunderabad and Sholapur division. I think the creation of that new zone will relieve the General Manager of the existing zone of some of his duties and will give him breathing space to concentrate his attention upon other divisions I do not think there will be any extra expenditure if we create a new zone". Secunderabad, which will be part of the new zone, was the headquarters of the Nizam's railways. As such, the buildings and other paraphernalia necessary for the headquarters of a zone are already there."

The zone was formed on 1 October 1966 by merging the carved-out divisions of Hubli, Vijayawada of Southern Railway zone and Solapur, Secunderabad of Nizam's Guaranteed State Railway. On 2 October 1977, Guntakal division of Southern Railway zone was merged and the already merged division of Solapur was demerged from the zone and became part of its former Central Railway zone. On 17 February 1978, Hyderabad division was formed by splitting the existing Secunderabad railway division. On 1 April 2002, two new divisions of Guntur and Nanded were created in this zone and the Hubli division was demerged and became part of South Western Railway zone. Khandwa Akola section was merged into Bhusaval Division of Central Railways as the line was taken up for Gauge Conversion in 2017. On 27 February 2019, AP part of Waltair Division, Vijayawada, Guntur and Guntakal divisions were merged into newly formed South Coast Railway zone.

Jurisdiction
The zone is spread over the states of Telangana, Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka.

Divisions

 * Secunderabad Railway Division
 * Hyderabad railway division
 * Vijayawada Railway Division
 * Guntur Railway Division
 * Nanded Railway Division
 * Guntakal Railway Division

Workshops
The zone has mechanical workshops at Mettuguda and Lallaguda.

Sheds
The zone has diesel loco sheds at Kazipet and Moula Ali. The zone has electric loco sheds at Lallaguda(Secunderabad) and Kazipet. The zone has one EMU Car shed at Moula Ali EMU.

Depots
The zone has Passenger coach care depots at Hyderabad, Secunderabad, Kacheguda, Vijayawada, Kakinada, Narasapur, Tirupati, Guntakal, Machillipatnam, Kazipet, Nanded and Purna. Additionally, Vijayawada, Gooty, Ramagundam, Bellampally have wagon maintenance depots.

Training Institutes
The zone has training institutes for imparting and learning railway techniques serving both Indian as well foreign railway staffs at Secunderabad, Vijayawada, Guntakal, Kazipet and Washim.

Healthcare
Railway Hospitals located in these areas Div.Hospitals at Secunderabad, Vijayawada, Guntakal and Kazipet, Guntur, Rayanapadu(Vijayawada) and Nanded have healthcare facilities serving exclusively for the employees of Indian railways and their families.

Loco sheds

 * Electric Loco Shed, Lallaguda
 * Electric Loco Shed, Kazipet
 * Electric Loco Shed, Vijayawada
 * Diesel Loco Shed, Vijayawada
 * Diesel Loco Shed, Gooty
 * Diesel Loco Shed, Guntakal
 * Diesel Loco Shed, Moula Ali
 * Diesel Loco Shed, Kazipet

Routes

 * Delhi-Chennai main line (a diagonal of the golden quadrilateral Grand trunk route) connecting north-south regions.
 * Balharshah Jn-kazipet Jn- kondapalli (End points excluded).
 * kazipetJn- Secunderabad Jn-wadi Jn(excl) connecting delhi-chennai line to mumbai-chennai main line
 * manmadJn- Hazur Sahib Nanded-SecunderabadJn- DhoneJn

Major Junctions

 * Dharmavaram Jn.
 * Dhone Jn.
 * Dornakal Jn
 * Gooty Jn.
 * Gudivada Jn.
 * Gudur Jn.
 * Guntakal Jn.
 * Guntur Jn.
 * Kazipet Jn.
 * Krishna Canal Jn.
 * Mudkhed Jn.
 * Nandyal
 * Nidadavolu Jn.
 * Nizamabad Jn.
 * Pakala Jn.
 * Parbhani Jn.
 * Peddapalli Jn.
 * Purna Jn.
 * Renigunta Jn.
 * Samalkot Jn.
 * Secunderabad Jn.
 * Tenali Jn.
 * Vijayawada Jn.
 * Vikarabad Jn.
 * Yerraguntla Jn.

Projects

 * Electric loco shed, Guntakal
 * Midlife Coach factory, Kurnool
 * Periodic Wagon overhauling workshop, Kazipet
 * Bogie Components Manufacturing unit, Thottambedu

 * The Manoharabad-Kothapally railway line, which connects Karimnagar to Manoharabad is currently under construction and is expected to be completed in 2025.
 * Mahbubnagar-Munirabad new line, this line received funds in the 2023 Union Budget

Performance and earnings
For the financial year 2018–19, the zone had transported 122.5 million tonnes of freight and earnedinr 156400000000; while it transported 383 million passengers and earned inr 100000000000. It runs a total of 744 trains per day, with a passenger footfall of five hundred thousand.

Achievements
South Central Railway topped among all railway zones of India in terms of train Punctuality and passenger earnings in 2016–17. The South Central Railway (SCR) has become the first railway zone in the country to complete 100 per cent LED lighting at all 733 stations under its jurisdiction. In 2018, it was ranked second in cleanliness of all railway zones in India.

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