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Alien 8

Alien 8 is an action-adventure video game developed and published by Ultimate Play the Game. It was released for the ZX Spectrum, BBC Micro, Amstrad CPC and MSX in 1985. The game is a spiritual successor to the best-selling Knight Lore, which was lauded by critics for its isometric graphics. In the game, the player takes control of a robot, Alien 8, whose job is to ensure that all of the cryogenically frozen passengers on board a starship remain viable during the ship's voyage.

The game was written by Chris Stamper, and graphics were designed by Tim Stamper. Alien 8 uses the same image masking technique as Knight Lore, which allows the developers to create composite structures out of stacked images without visual overlay. The technique was copyrighted by Ultimate as the Filmation game engine. As with its spiritual predecessor, the game is rendered isometric projection. The game was critically acclaimed upon release. Reviewers praised the game's graphics and innovation, while minor criticism was directed at its similarities to Knight Lore.

Plot
On a dying planet in a distant galaxy, the last of the creatures known as the "guardians" stored all of their libraries, records, and knowledge on a single starship together with cryogenically preserved members of their race. A single robot, Alien 8, is tasked with keeping the occupants of the vessel alive for the duration of its journey.

The ship is launched towards a new solar system and Alien 8 performs his task for thousands of years during the journey. However, as the ship nears its destination, it is attacked and boarded by hostile aliens. The cryogenic life support systems were damaged during the attack and Alien 8 must restore them to an operational status before the ship's automatic thrusting systems manoeuvre it into planetary orbit.

Gameplay

The game is presented in an isometric format and set on board a starship. Taking on the role of the robot, Alien 8, the player must explore the large starship in order to ensure that the cryogenic life support systems preserving the biological crew are re-activated. The core of this system is a series of geometrically-shaped circuits. However, the circuits have been removed by the invading aliens and distributed around the starship. The main objective of the game is to collect the correct circuits and return them to their respective locations before the starship reaches its destination. The circuits are variously shaped as cubes, pyramids, domes or cylinders.

As with its spiritual predecessor, the environment of the game takes the form of a series of isometric flip-screen rooms (which trace the outline of a large starship). There are a total of 129 rooms and most are filled with various objects, such as moveable platforms, static hazards such as spikes and hostile aliens. As well as executing well-timed manoeuvres and jumps, the player is able to use starship props to block or defend themselves. Another feature is the use of remote controlled drones, which can be directed by Alien 8 into inaccessible or dangerous areas.

Development
Development of Alien 8 began immediately after the release of Knight Lore, in which the Stamper brothers predicted that publishers would attempt to copy Knight Lore Filmation technology in other games. As with its predecessor, the Stamper brothers developed the game in monochrome to avoid visual overlay and attribute clash, as it was a common processing limitation in early 8-bit home computers. However, the Amstrad release exclusively displayed dual-colours. In 2019 an unofficial Commodore port was released.

Reception
Alien 8 entered the Gallup Top 30 sales chart at number one for the week ending 19 February 1985, replacing Ghostbusters after 13 weeks. After a second week at the top, it was replaced by Football Manager.

The game was critically acclaimed upon release. A reviewer of Crash praised its graphics and presentation, stating them to be "excellent" and more "imaginative and pleasing" compared to its predecessor, despite regarding it as "only having a slight difference". Amstrad Action similarly praised the graphics, citing them as "amazing", "brilliant" and having "great" colour combinations. A reviewer of Amtix! stated that the visuals were "breathtakingly stunning" and improves on its predecessor. David Kelly of Popular Computing Weekly stated the game was a "little" disappointing due to its similarities to Knight Lore, but asserted that the graphics were of superior quality to its predecessor. Chris Bourne of Sinclair User stated that the general quality of graphics were "higher" than its predecessor, although it used an identical system.

Crash praised the new additions to the game, in particular the time limit and various collectable items. The reviewer wrote that the new features were "compelling and exciting", as it differs from its predecessor. A reviewer of Amstrad Action similarly praised its innovation, stating that it has "wonderfully" original ideas, despite criticising it similarities to Knight Lore. Kelly praised the game's extra puzzles and the animation of enemies, heralding them as "brilliant". Bourne similarly praised the 3D animation, writing that every extension of the game improved over Knight Lore.

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Howard Jones (American singer)

Howard Jones (born July 20, 1970) is an American vocalist best known as the former lead singer of Killswitch Engage and Blood Has Been Shed. He is the current vocalist of Light the Torch, formerly known as Devil You Know, and SION with YouTuber/guitarist Jared Dines.

Career
Jones started making music in the underground band Driven in 1996, releasing a single album. He later performed with Blood Has Been Shed from 1997 to 2004. In 2002, he joined Killswitch Engage as their new vocalist after Jesse Leach left the band. During his time with Killswitch Engage, they released two gold-certified albums, The End of Heartache and As Daylight Dies, as well as a second self-titled album. Jones left the band after nearly ten years in 2012, but remained a close friend. He would go on to collaborate with them again for the single "The Signal Fire" from their album Atonement. His later band Light the Torch would also tour with Killswitch Engage, and he would appear with the band onstage to perform the song, as well as other songs from his time with them, often as a duet alongside Leach.

Jones started a new band Devil You Know with guitarist Francesco Artusato (All Shall Perish) and drummer John Sankey (Devolved, Fear Factory and Divine Heresy). After Sankey's departure and his attempt to claim the copyright of the band's name, the rest of the band members started again with a fresh name, Light the Torch, with the addition of a new drummer.

In March 2021, Jones joined with heavy metal YouTuber Jared Dines and producer Hiram Hernandez to release "The Blade" as part of a new project named Sion.

Personal life
Jones is an avid fisherman and owns property on the Red River of the North in Manitoba, Canada. He is a frequent guest on Jamey Jasta's podcast on the GaS Digital Network. Jones left Killswitch Engage in early 2012 to allow himself to manage his type 2 diabetes, which was worsened by a hectic touring lifestyle. In 2013, Jones stated that his diabetes put him in a coma for three days.

In 2015, Jones revealed that he had struggled with anxiety and depression for a long time, which had been worsened by his rise to fame in Killswitch Engage. He revealed that he had come close to committing suicide in 2009, when he had aimed a .44 Magnum revolver at his head in his apartment in Connecticut, and that the police had intervened after being notified by a concerned neighbor. In 2018, he teamed up with his former band to raise awareness for mental health; the resulting song "The Signal Fire" appears on the 2019 album Atonement.

Jones used to be straight edge. Today, he shares a passion for medical cannabis with friend and fellow Killswitch Engage frontman Jesse Leach.

Discography

 * Blood Has Been Shed
 * I Dwell on Thoughts of You (September 21, 1999, Ferret Records)
 * Novella of Uriel (February 20, 2001, Ferret Records)
 * Spirals (March 11, 2003, Ferret Records)

 * Killswitch Engage
 * The End of Heartache (May 11, 2004, Roadrunner Records)
 * As Daylight Dies (November 21, 2006, Roadrunner Records)
 * Killswitch Engage (June 30, 2009, Roadrunner Records)

 * Light the Torch (formerly Devil You Know)
 * The Beauty of Destruction (April 25, 2014, Nuclear Blast)
 * They Bleed Red (November 6, 2015, Nuclear Blast)
 * Revival (March 30, 2018, Nuclear Blast)
 * You Will Be the Death of Me (June 25, 2021, Nuclear Blast)

 * SION
 * SION (November 26, 2021, Independent)

Guest appearances

 * Fragment – Answers ("Inertia") *First ever guest appearance
 * 36 Crazyfists – Rest Inside the Flames ("Elysium")
 * Demon Hunter – Summer of Darkness ("Our Faces Fall Apart")
 * Eighteen Visions – Vanity ("One Hell of a Prize Fighter")
 * Roadrunner United – All-Star Sessions ("The Dagger")
 * Throwdown – Vendetta ("The World Behind")
 * Ill Bill – The Hour of Reprisal ("Babylon")
 * Every Time I Die – Last Night in Town ("Punch-Drunk Punk Rock Romance")
 * Believer – Gabriel ("The Brave")
 * Asking Alexandria – From Death to Destiny ("Until the End") *First guest appearance since leaving Killswitch Engage.
 * Within Temptation – Hydra ("Dangerous")
 * Jasta - The Lost Chapters ("Chasing Demons") Hatebreed's Jamey Jasta To Release New Jasta Set "The Lost Chapters"
 * Violent New Breed - Bad Reputation ("Bury Me")
 * Killswitch Engage - Atonement ("The Signal Fire")
 * Jasta - The Lost Chapters Volume 2 ("Heaven Gets What It Wants")
 * Crobot - Rat Child ("Kiss it Goodbye")
 * Eyes Set to Kill - Damna ("Face the Rain")
 * ONI - The Silver Line ("Aura")

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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Kalashnikov

Kalashnikov may refer to:

Weapons

 * Mikhail Kalashnikov, Russian military engineer and small arms designer
 * Kalashnikov rifle, a series of automatic rifles based on the original design of Mikhail Kalashnikov
 * AK-47
 * AK-74
 * Kalashnikov Concern, Russian manufacturer of the rifles and other weapons
 * Kalashnikov USA, Israeli owned United States manufacturer and distributor of Kalashnikov style rifles and other weapons

Creative works

 * The Song of the Merchant Kalashnikov, poem about Russian fist fighting by Mikhail Lermontov, written in 1837
 * The Merchant Kalashnikov, opera by Anton Rubinstein, based on Lermontov's poem
 * Song About the Merchant Kalashnikov (film), a 1909 Russian film by Vasily Goncharov, based on Lermontov's poem
 * Kalasnjikov, a song from the soundtrack to Emir Kusturica's film Underground
 * Kalashnikov, a 2020 Russian biographical film about Mikhail Kalashnikov.

Other uses

 * Kalashnikov (surname), including a list of people with the name
 * Kalashnikov culture, a tradition of weapon ownership in Pakistan
 * Kalashnikov Variation, a form of the Sicilian Defense in chess

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Talk:Extreme ironing

General guidelines for inclusion

 * Disclosure: I started extreme ironing in 1998 and ran the website from 2000-2006. While I don't do it anymore myself, it is still done by thousands of others around the world. I don't think this page should be a list of every extreme ironing stunt ever done, especially those that are publicity stunts for brands. There's a Facebook page for all that kind of thing. My suggestion is that we only have the major examples, that are cited by influential media outlets. Thoughts? I have deleted a couple of examples in the meantime and suggest that if in doubt users debate points or make requests for inclusion here --Theredrocket aka Steam 11:23, 15 Aug 2016 (UTC)

Huh?
What the heck?!? - 62.49.65.2

 * Stop this! Stop this right now! It's silly!
 * Seriously... I think we need to reword that part about "the satisfaction of freshly ironed clothes". That just sounds ridiculous in context. - Rissa
 * Oh, that's the ridiculous part! I couldn't figure out why I was ROTFLMAOing. Thanks for clearing that up... --JRM 14:18, 2004 Sep 17 (UTC)

Ummm... ''Competitors from Austria, Australia, Croatia, Chile, Germany, and the UK participated. The competition included eighty different teams from ten different countries.'' How can the teams for the 2002 World Championship come from ten countries when the competitors only came from six? Andrewa 13:29, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Erm ... doesn't the text you quote just leave unspecified what the other four countries were? Lupo 13:33, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * I see what you mean, but IMO it's still ambiguous at best. If I say the bus is painted red and white and it turns out to be mainly green with lines or patches of red and white, I think that after walking home you'd be entitled to claim that I'd told you a lie. But you're probably right, that's what is intended. I'll try a clarification on this basis. Andrewa 15:00, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * You're referring to the piece that appears on the extreme ironing website, which I wrote. Actually ten countries did compete - we just listed a few at the time. Steam Dec 2005

Its just one big joke isn't it?
Mine eyes!!!!!!!!!

Anyway
 * Following the 2004 Summer Olympics, five-time Olympic gold medalist Sir Steve Redgrave backed extreme ironing to become an Olympic sport. "It is a fantastic sport. It's a little bizarre in some respect, but in a few years' time, rowing could be chopped from the Olympics and extreme ironing could be in!"

Is this the only thing if Redgrave said, because if it is, it doesn't really sound like an endorsement to me, more a reflection of the pathetic bizzarity modern competitive sport has sunk to (i.e. that rowing could be replaced by something as weird as EI). Maybe you had to be there...--ZayZayEM 14:15, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * If you'd taken the trouble to look at the download on the website www.extremeironing.com you'd see that he did, in fact, say that. As to whether it was tongue in cheek, that's for the viewer to decide Steam Dec 05

Maybe I should head out to the next Olympics and advocate Extreme vacuuming.--Lucky13pjn 03:06, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)

 * It's a real shame. As the founder of extreme ironing, I sometimes have a look to see how the story has evolved, even put a couple of pictures up that I own the copyright. A few months pass and suddenly a load of "editors" have ripped the guts out of an article that quite a few people added content too (all of which was accurate, I hasten to add). A lot of the debate seems to be whether it's real. Well it is folks. It's appeared in all the UK's media C4 documentary, BBC Breakfast, Sky's Adventure One, The Times, The Guardian, The Financial Times as well as media around the world including Fox News and Good Morning America in the States to name but a few. Hundreds of people around the world have tried extreme ironing and there was even a live world championships in Germany a few years ago. Ah well, I guess this is the disadvantage of "everyone's an editor" - simultaneously the best and worse thing about Wikipedia. That's my 2P's worth.

Steam Dec 2005.

I agree with the founder of extreme ironing, that some editors seem to be missing the point. I spent the last couple of hours doing research on extreme ironing to write an article for my blog, and I think the current wikipedia article is fairly accurate and informative, in its latest revision.

Granted... edited out statements such as ""It is a fantastic sport. It's a little bizarre in some respect, but in a few years' time, rowing could be chopped from the Olympics and extreme ironing could be in!" were indeed a bit overboard, but the motto "the latest danger sport that combines the thrills of an extreme outdoor activity with the satisfaction of a well-pressed shirt." is very suitable, I think. Also, the debate of whether this can be qualified as a sport is fairly objective, in my opinion.

Those are my two cents, anyway. Also, for my article I collected 75 fine pictures documenting this "sport", and I think it could very well be used as a reference. I tried adding the link a few minutes ago, but it was removed and I was told to state my case here. As you can see, it's not really a self-promotional move, especially since I link back to the wiki article and the extreme ironing official website. Please review and let me know your thoughts : http://slices-of-life.com/2011/07/24/the-largest-extreme-ironing-gallery-in-the-world-75-pics/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.102.43.234 (talk) 01:22, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Featured articles and April Fools
If we could get this to featured article status, it would make a great April Fools main page attraction. I think we can't get it done this year... Maybe next year? We'll have to make sure it doesn't end up on the Main Page before April 1st, of course. :-) JRM 16:38, 2005 Mar 26 (UTC)

Irons
How are the irons powered? —Ashley Y 02:50, 2005 Apr 5 (UTC)

 * Wow Good question. I'm interested in the answer to this too.

 * However they are powered, it is probably ironic. - Lucky13pjn 14:13, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)

 * "In the beginning extreme ironists used (very long) extension cords, but soon realised that unless they wanted to be limited by taking a generator with them, a new solution would be needed. Starch and Hotplate are at the forefront of battery powered irons, whilst in Germany, Dr Iron Q has developed geothermics, a method of tapping in to the earth's energy supply to power the iron - with mixed results." says here --BerserkerBen 02:28, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm suspicious. I don't think you can power an iron with batteries unless you've got huge numbers of them. You never see extension cords or generators in the pictures. And the geothermics sounds like BS. —Ashley Y 10:57, 2005 May 8 (UTC)

 * Well the geothermic thing does sound like bs, but there are cordless irons.--BerserkerBen 17:18, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Yeah, but they all have docking stations. I don't think you can get 1.2kW of power out of batteries easily (unless you have a lot of them). And none of the iron reviews on the EI site mention cordlessness or anything like that. —Ashley Y 23:45, 2005 May 8 (UTC)

 * Well 1.2kw would drain a battery fast, and considering the energy density of batteries it does seem unlikely that you could get iron that weighs a reasonable amount that runs on batteries. None of these cordless irons do specify how they work and it likely they just heat up at the station and run until they cool down. Even so theoretically you could make a portable iron out of an antiquated externally heated iron (consisting of nothing more the slab of steel with insulated handle, plastic or combustible parts should be avoided) and a small propane blowtorch. And there are claims that they do: Perhaps temperature sensors could be added to make sure the iron is at proper temperatures, heck you could even integrate the blow torch into the iron (although were to spew the hot exhaust gas is a good question). Even so it most likely these people simply iron cold and just undergo the act of ironing: honestly it seems more of a stunt then a sport. --BerserkerBen 14:11, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

 * In the 19th century, coal-burning irons were common (See Ironing). Carrying about 1 Kg of coal, some fire-starting fuel and a matchbox would do. This still looks a joke to me. Extreme Ironing on Volcanos looks worth trying. -- Fbergo 17:59, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

 * According to another article, Lithium Ion Batteries have an energy density of 150-200 Watt-hours per kg, which should be plenty to iron a single article of clothing with a reasonably sized pack. You'd probably need a customized pack, or at least one bizarre adapter, to run an iron off of batteries.  But there don't seem to be any technical barriers.

Extreme Ironing under water
Ironing under water is surely the most unconventional way of extreme ironing. How are the results of extreme ironing under water measured? How does extreme ironing under water work?

 * Based on my research via Google they don't actually iron underwater, they just pretend to and take a photo. --Unforgettableid | talk to me 19:55, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

How would they possibly iron underwater? >_< I think many editors of this article are missing a vital point: the goal in this "sport" is not to actually iron clothes, but to carry out an ironing board and get a picture that looks as though one is press steaming their clothes in unlikely scenarios. For the challenge, for the comedic value... and for the sport, of course! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.102.43.234 (talk) 01:25, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I think YOU are missing a point. Remove "the satisfaction of freshly ironed clothes" and "Extreme Ironing" become nothing more than extreme.
 * Some would say they are pushing the limits. Which proove this is more about extreme than ironing. Sadly--Madlozoz (talk) 13:28, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

IE or EI
is this a typo? on the first line? --Ballchef 12:39, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

I think it is an abbreviation for Extreme Ironing.

NPOV issue
"Extreme ironing" is not a sport. It is a joke. (Ironing is not a sport, no matter where it is practiced.) "Extreme ironing" is jokingly called a "sport" by the joke's inventors and by those who perpetuate the joke, including the BBC on its website. However, this is done in a spirit of irony.

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Encyclopedias are not a place for jokes. Therefore, Wikipedia is not a place for jokes.

(I beg to differ. Extreme ironing is not only a makeshift "sport", it's above all a significant cultural meme; there are groups of people joining together in extreme ironing contests out there, and the phenomenon has clearly expanded in the past few years since its inception. As such, it does have a place in the Wikipedia, I think. If you don't agree, maybe the articles on "april fool's" or "rickrolling" should be removed as well?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.102.43.234 (talk) 01:33, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Should this "article" be sent to WP:BJAODN? If not, how can we convey to readers that only a few people believe that it is a sport, and most people believe it is a joke?

 * There is a consensus to keep the article; it has already been listed for deletion once. I have cut the article back to what can be verified once already however the proponents of "Extreme ironing" returned and, in the course of edits spread out over several days, added much of the junk back in.  I believe that the proper thing to do is to cut the article back to material that can be verified using citable sources.  I don't have a problem with the article being here but we should not be parroting the "Extreme ironing" press releases any more than we parrot anybody else's press releases.  The Uninvited Co., Inc. 22:07, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I did some more checking. The Rowenta claim is extremely suspect. I cannot find any official press releases by Rowenta on their web site or at prnewswire or through a google search. Rowenta is not actually a manufacturer, it is a brand used by manufacturer Groupe SEB (groupeseb.com), based in France. Their extremely conservative press release history leads me to believe that they are unlikely to sponsor any extreme ironing activities. The only reference for this is a press release issued through prnewswire that appears to be spoofed. There is none of the usual corporate boilerplate nor is there a corporate press contact for Rowenta, for example, two features that would be sure to be present on an authentic news release from an organization as large as Groupe SEB. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 22:42, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I have contacted Groupe SEB to see whether they will authenticate or repudiate the press release. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 22:49, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I received a reply from Cogent PR who, apparently, handles PR for Groupe SEB in the U.S. The representative advised me that there is in fact a relationship between Rowenta and Phil Shaw, and included a copy of a related press release.  The Uninvited Co., Inc. 17:44, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

What's really going on here
The root of this story appears to be a 50 minute feature produced by Hot Under the Collar productions], a production company that specializes in eccentric and extreme sports. The feature is for sale to television outlets here and also is being sold on DVD. I suspect that promotional clips from this video are what have appeared on the various news programs that are listed in the article body.

So, we have a couple dozen eccentric attention seekers, a feature made by a TV production company that specializes in the unusual, a bogus press release, and a self-published book. This may still merit inclusion given our extremely broad standards, but we should be very clear about what's happening. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 23:01, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

 * God, you're hyperly cynical. Perhaps people from outside Minneapolis actually like to have some fun when doing elsewise boring chores? Perhaps that concept was spread by the creator to friends, and then strangers via a website. Perhaps then it caught on, worldwide, people doing this humourous activity. Perhaps then the media started to catch on, and report on it. Perhaps it's real. Perhaps you'd benefit from "a well pressed shirt"? --  user:zanimum

 * Whether or not the sport originated with "a couple dozen eccentric attention seekers" it now qualifies as a sport under any reasonable definition of sport. It is an event governed by rules that requires practice and skill, and when properly executed is entertaining. Let's not forget this folks, ALL sport is entertainment, and if dispassionately observered fundementally silly. Surfing is just standing on a plank while it's washed into shore. Soccer is just kicking a pigs bladder (or reasonable facsimile) from one end of a field to the other. Sports happen because at some point "a couple dozen eccentric attention seekers" enjoy getting together to do them, not because there is a law of nature telling us what one is. [PS I'm not an Ironist, but I appreciate a well pressed shirt!] Ian 81.144.191.248 13:17, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

 * The promotional video by Hot Under the Collar Productions was released in 2003, whereas extreme ironing dates back to 1997, according to the extreme ironing website and is referenced online across various news sites such as the BBC. user:theredrocket —Preceding undated comment was added on 12:19, 19 February 2009 (UTC).

Ok, but the article needs to make clear that this is really an elaborate piece of performance art, which is synonymous with 'practical joke', and that it is largely undertaken for the comedy value of the photos and suckering people into treating it like a serious sport. It's a remarkably sustained joke, and some people have clearly put in a lot of effort to keep it going. But it remains firmly tongue in cheek. While an article on Wikipedia is appropriate, it needs to make this point clear -otherwise it is failing to be accurate and just become apart of the joke / art itself, which is not appropriate. A sentence to that effect in the main section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.221.55.109 (talk) 08:01, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Phil Shaw
Phil Shaw is notable for nothing except his involvement to this article's topic. Unless someone expands his article with reliable sources in three days, I'll merge him to this one. -- Perfecto 03:03, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge done by UninvitedCompany. Thanks. -- Perfecto 00:17, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Cited in the news
In case you guys didn't spot it, this article was mentioned in a news article:

 * Some Britannica officials have publicly criticised Wikipedia's quality in the past. But Panelas praised the free service for having the speed and breadth to keep up on topics such as "extreme ironing", the sport, in which competitors iron clothing in remote locations.

It seems they're using this example in a similar manner to the traditional example crushing by elephant, an esoteric topic not covered in any other encyclopedia. Deco 03:01, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I was aware that it was mentioned offhand as a bellwether of Wikipedia's breadth by one or more news outlets. The article still leaves much to be desired.  The Uninvited Co., Inc. 04:40, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

 * The article by AP about EI has appeared in at least 112 news outlets. Comparatively, it's a relatively position spin on things. --  user:zanimum

 * UninvitedCompany, you seem to have a real bee in your bonnet about extreme ironing. I accept that you don't believe Wikipedia should cover things that its editors think are a 'joke'. I know you've probably got more important things to do, but some research on EI will show that it has been pretty much covered by the world's media - some very reputable sources (Wall Street Journal, Sunday Times, Financial Times etc.) I'd happily talk you through some of the background so that you are able to get a story up that you are happy is factually correct, but still captures some of the fun of extreme ironing. As has been pointed out by one of your colleagues, EI has been mentioned 110 times through the Nature survey, so if you deleted the story for good, it might look like Wikipedia is getting on its high horse. Contact me through our website www.extremeironing.com user:steam_one

 * Make that 291 times, now.  --  user:zanimum

EIB
I'm assuming from the nature of the sport that this stands for "Extreme Ironing Board", but it's not mentioned explicitly in the article, though the acronym is used. Any chance of a confirmation? GeeJo (t) (c) •  08:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

It actually stands for Extreme Ironing Bureau - though Extreme Ironing Board would have been funnier...not that we're trying to make out this is some kind of joke or anything. Steam 11 Feb 2005.

Image credibility?
The extra information included with the file says it was created in photoshop 7... Could just be a crop, but that guy doesn't seem to have a harness or anything either... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.69.131.172 (talk • contribs).

 * The metadata of Image:Extremeironing.jpg states photoshop has been used--Golden Wattle talk 01:09, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

 * See discussion on the image talk page. --  Zanimum 18:08, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

An idea
See also: Darwin awards. I am sure high performance in this sport greatly increases one's chances for the award ;p --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:43, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Not a hoax
This article was the subject of the recent WikiWorld, so I came to take a look. I was rather surprised to see it tagged as a hoax article; however, after only a minute of Googling, i came to the conclusion that it is real. For example, here's a New York Times article from 2004:. There's also some BBC links:. The Times article mentions the corporate sponsorship.

In any case, this article could be better referenced. I haven't thoroughly gone over the article to check the details. But the person alleging hoax is plainly mistaken. Therefore I have removed the tag. --C S (Talk) 05:46, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

 * The New York Times article is only a publicity blurb for the same two men. Where are the articles about these vast numbers of practitioners.  Where is some evidence other than photoshopped or staged images?  One or two men with a publicity spin doesn't seem to be encyclopaedic to me.  They claim that there are 1500 "ironists" world wide - surely some of the others should be written about sometimes too.  I won't replace the hoax tag just yet, but a reliable source probably needs to be something other than a regurgitation or similar of a press release from the same two people.--Golden Wattle  talk 09:43, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

 * What are you talking about? Publicity blurb?  You have a misguided idea of reliable source.  The NY Times article is definitely one.  You seem to think a reliable source is one that has been personally vetted by you to not be a "press release".   You're making unsupported claims.  For example, with only a few minutes of searching, I found an article about other "ironists": .  If you would like specific statements sourced, you can add a citation needed tag, but adding a hoax tag is completely unjustified.   --C S (Talk) 10:43, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't add the hoax tag, please commetn on content onot contributers. Read the NYT article, it is featherweight journalism, even if from a reputable source about two Englishmen touring America providing a few photo opportunities, I read it as self-promotion, not the subject of investigative journalism, hence my reference to press releases - do you think the NYT went out and found them?  --  Golden Wattle  talk 10:48, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Is that a rhetorical question? Because it's completely irrelevant.  You continue to dismiss valid sources as self-promotion, which is wrong.  (I never said you added the hoax tag, but you implied you would re-add it.) --C S (Talk) 10:58, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

 * What are they self-promoting? Are you suggesting it's an attempt to sell books and tapes? Look, there was a full documentary about the sport, and an international competition. --  Zanimum 18:07, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I found a nice Wall Street Journal article on extreme ironing, "Extreme Ironing: Adding New Wrinkles To an Age-Old Chore" (WSJ online requires a subscription, but the article can also be found on, after scrolling down a bit). The global nature of the competition is better described than in the NY Times article, and several competitors (other than Steam and Starch) are mentioned by name. Hopefully these sources are useful for people editing the article. I will pitch in when I get the chance. --C S (Talk) 11:38, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Even if...
Even if this sport isn't really a sport, and people only do it when cameras are around, what's the problem? It's still an activity that people do, just with their tongue firmly implanted in their cheek. And I don't think the founders of the sport have ever denied that they're doing all of this with a sense of humour. -- Zanimum 18:11, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Found unreal info
Additionally, Extreme Ironing has been a frequent topic of discussion of "Macho Man" Randy Savage, who on recent occasions has mentioned his interest in the sport, going so far as to claim it can "easily trump professional wrestling ... when the time is right".

This is the only false part of the article I found... there's no good references for this rumour. -- Zanimum 18:27, 16 February 2007 (UTC) none of this is true —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.239.146.55 (talk) 02:12, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

There's unsourced, and then there's unsourced.
This really pretty extremely unlikely (and quite probably impossible) claim has been here since the 20th of February. What's really astonishing is that people copyedited it without, apparently, actually reading it. (In fact, the copyediting leaves something to be desired too.) Well, per WP:BLP, I'm removing it. You can do what you like with it.
 * On 12 November 2006 Adam Pearce, known in the wrestling world as "Scrap Iron Adam Pearce", launched himself and an industrial ironing press from a plane flying at 25,000 feet and firmly pressed a shirt, his parachute (which he repacked in mid air), the pants he was wearing, a pair of wrestling tights; he then landed safely, drank a Dr. Pepper and was generally smug.  Subsequent to this event he was awarded the coveted "Champion Of The Universe" title in extreme ironing.

As this is the sort of thing that tends to attract media attention, I'm sure someone can point to a good source for it. 69.140.12.199 19:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

extreme ironing
Extrême Ironing (également appelé IE ) est un sport extrême et un art de la performance dans laquelle les gens prennent un repassage carte à un emplacement distant et articles de fer de vêtements. Selon le site officiel, le repassage extrême est «le sport le dernier danger qui combine les frissons d'une activité extrême de plein air avec la satisfaction d'une chemise bien repassé." Une partie de l'attrait et l'intérêt des médias a montré à repasser extrême semble se centrer sur la question de savoir si c'est vraiment un sport ou non. Il est largement considéré comme pince-sans-rire. [ 1 ] Certains endroits où de tels spectacles ont eu lieu notamment d'une montagne d'une difficile ascension, une forêt , dans une pirogue , tandis que le ski ou la planche à neige ; au-dessus de grandes bronze statues, au milieu d'une rue; sous-marine, dans le milieu de la M1 Autoroute; [ 2 ] au cours d'une Kirin course; [ 3 ] tandis que le parachutisme; [ 4 ] et sous le couvert de glace d'un lac. Les performances ont été réalisées en solo ou en groupe.                                                  صغحوءؤب أيلنسط  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.224.241.176 (talk) 18:13, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

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"Union Jack"
Is ironing a Union Jack really "extreme ironing"? The first paragraph specifies "items of clothing". --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 17:25, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 * It is when it's done at Everest base camp. Chaheel Riens (talk) 17:37, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Extreme Ironing yet no ironing. What the?
I found this topic and attempted to verify the “sport” and I found it very difficult to ascertain the legitimacy of this activity. I had hoped Wikipedia might provide more information however the article seems like most press on the “sport” and comes across as biased or in the least a promotional tool.

The biggest problem is that it is called Extreme Ironing, yet I can find little to no evidence of any clothes actually being ironed in the sense of the intention of the activity - being that a crinkled item of clothing is pressed via heat and/or steam. The majority of footage or photography is of someone (albeit in an extreme situation) pretending to iron, rather than actually ironing.

I think - whether the “sport” is a hoax or a photo joke like planking or not - there should be a Wikipedia section on this page or an article explaining the technical side of the ironing and whether clothes are in fact ironed or not. Because underwater ironing is impossible. Ironing whilst skydiving is impossible.

If it’s just pretending, and the pretending aspect of Extreme Ironing is itself the sport, then this should be outlined on Wikipedia.

Apologies as this is the first post I’ve made. And I would help with the article but I’ve never contributed to Wikipedia before and don’t feel I’d be deserving of such a contribution.

I merely want this article to be clarified, as most media and writing on this subject seems to be biased and misleading.

Thanks heaps. 60.240.232.17 (talk) 02:43, 1 December 2019 (UTC)Nohomeforheroes

Relation to Extreme Cello Playing
The citation for extreme cello playing doesn't mention extreme ironing at all, and is significantly earlier than most other sources. Can't say that it was inspired by extreme ironing based on that alone. Picnicsandstars (talk) 01:09, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

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Malta Grand Prix

The Malta Grand Prix was a professional snooker tournament which ran from the 1994/95 season to 2000/2001, sponsored by Rothmans. In 2000 only it was a European ranking tournament.

title: Malta Grand Prix


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dickinson High School

This page is an archive of the discussion surrounding the proposed deletion of the page entitled Dickinson High School.

This page is kept as an historic record.

The result of the debate was to delete the article.

 * A poorly written article (written from a first person perspective, a particularly unencyclopædic trait) on a non-notable high school. Delete. DO'Neil 10:29, 20 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete unless rewritten. (I still don't like high schools having articles at all, but it seems to have been decided.) -- Cyrius|&#9998 16:20, May 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete altogether. I agree that high schools don't deserve articles, but this particular high school sure doesn't deserve this article! - Lucky 6.9 17:09, 20 May 2004 (UTC)
 * I'm really amazed. Delete an highschool but mantain stupid software references like Sacix or logs about Linux. I'm from computer science and I find that is nonsence. Great. Really great. --Pedro 18:09, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Have you even read Dickinson High School? It's junk, and leaving it up until someone gets around to rewriting it would be bad for us, and bad for the high school-- Cyrius|&#9998 18:22, May 22, 2004 (UTC)

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Template talk:Harry Potter

Soundtrack column
Hi, while doing some poking around relevant to Articles for deletion/Harry Potter music, I noticed that your template had no mention of the soundtracks. I thought it would be a nice addition, so I went ahead, (WP:BOLD,) and did so. Feedback would be appreciated. -- RoninBK E TC 11:47, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

in regard to having the last film in this template
Mention of the last film was taken out because "There is no information on this film yet". There is however some information available. See &. I think some discussion on the matter is needed. --RockerballAustralia 03:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I think the link should be included, because the page exists BaconLover 19:16, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I added a link to the DH film article, which redirects to Harry Potter (films). As all of the discussion on this page is in favor of a link, please DO NOT remove without posting here first.  Thank you.  In regard to the actual article itself, I feel that there is enough information to constitute a separate page for it. Lutherjw 17:04, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * As soon as there is an article on it, you can add it back. John Reaves (talk) 00:56, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Separate books and movies etc. more?
With the addition of 'soundtrack' we now have a template far more heavily weighted in the movie-interpretations and their spin-offs (games soundtracks, et all), whereas the books are an altogether separate canon. Would it not be possible to make the books in a more separate column (which the comic relief books also adhere to)? -Kez 16:50, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you have a specific idea for the formatting change? I don't think we really need to distinguish in a template from canon and noncanon. --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 17:38, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Philosopher's Stone
The name of the first book is "Philosopher's Stone," not Sorcerer's Stone except in the USA. As the books are British, and all other nations use the proper name then Philosopher should be used. Dewarw 14:08, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I never understood why they changed the title in the first place, considering the Philosopher's Stone is an actual legend of alchemy. Whereas Sorcerer's Stone means next to nothing. vlad§inger  tlk  17:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There (was) a perception that US audiences don't know the correct meaning of 'Philosopher' in the context of the book. A bit like the film title 'The Madness of King George' being used instead of 'The Madness of George III'. --Theoldgoat 21:09, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Regarding organisations
Having largely disregarded the organisations section of the template until about three seconds ago, I noticed there were links to Animagus and Metamorphmagus. I understand they are not organisations, but - for want of a better word - magical conditions. Opinions? Thoughts?  THE  DARK LORD TROMBONATOR  ( ( (¶) ) )  07:39, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hang on... I clicked the wrong link... this discussion will be relocated to Template talk:Harry Potter characters. Entirely my mistake.  THE  DARK LORD TROMBONATOR   ( ( (¶) ) )  07:50, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

If Mary Grand Pre is to be included...
Then she shouldn't be listed alongside the fictional elements of the Harry Potter story. Rather, she should be listed in a separate category, possibly also including Stephen Fry and Jim Dale, though I don't know what the category should be called, nor do I know how to create it. Serendipodous 10:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Years being listed in the template
Are they really needed? Templates should be for navigating: extra things such as years, just clutter it up. RobJ1981 06:59, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I was bold, and just removed them. I've seen quite a few templates (and I checked a few other book series templates), and I see none listing years. Harry Potter shouldn't be an exception. Navigational templates aren't for organizing by lising years. RobJ1981 11:06, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Differences between book and film links
Hi, I added these links (see this revision for the links I added). The main reason is that if they aren't in this template, then we have a separate template for the film pages that looks redundant and ugly (I mean, a whole template box for five links) and then we don't get these links on the other pages. I think the links work fine in this template because you can then get to these pages from more than just the film-specific articles and we can remove that ugly/redundant template to boot. So can someone explain why these were reverted? I agree clutter should be minimal, but I think it fits in the template just fine - only one more column, and the template stays the same size. So I'd like to add these back, unless someone has some reasoning why they should be gone. --midkay 18:29, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I've re-added them, I see no problem with listing the differences in the template. The IP that removed it didn't give a reason for removing them (or re-adding the years either). So I've fixed the template. RobJ1981 10:21, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool, sounds good, I felt the same: a revert for no reason. I was prepared to re-add them but I hadn't decided what the verdict was on keeping the years; I thus prepared a version of the template that has the differences links as well as the years, in case it's later decided to keep the years. So I'll put the code up, you can find it at User:Midkay/Template:Harrypotter, in case/if ever it's wanted or needed. --midkay 10:47, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

New article
Hi. I started a new article, List of alliterative phrases in Harry Potter, at the behest of another editor who didn't think lists belong in the article. If it's supposed to be put into some template that includes all articles on Harry Potter, by all means...  DRosenbach  ( Talk 02:23, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Colors
What do ppl think of this as a "remake" for the template:

Chandler talk  12:02, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

 * The CoS box sticks out too far on my browser. Is that the same for anyone else? Also, is it possible to shrink the book/film differences title, coz it's way massive compared to everything else. THE  DARK LORD  TROMBONATOR 09:53, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

What has been done? !!!!!!!
My god, this template was once attractive, easy to use and generally nice.

Now it is a mess, difficult to use and a disgrace!

It must be returned to the old style (a row for each book title with Book, Film, Music columns etc.) immediately! Dewarw 20:16, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

 * It would be nice if you would communicate in a little more calm manner and if you would consider how reading something like this would make the author of the template feel. There are two things I like about this new template that I would like to keep, but other than that, feel free to change it however you see fit. The things I like about it are that it is much more space efficient, which allows us to have many more links on it while still using a reasonable amount of space, and secondly, that it uses the standard form for navigation boxes, navbox, which is nice because it provides consistency with other articles and ease of coding. – Basar (talk · contribs) 01:34, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree that the new box is more streamlined, but in terms of navigating the books/movies of the series, I prefere the old design. Perhaps someone (not me, my skill extends to making links and editing text) could combine various elements the next time it is revised. Either way, it's still useful and if the author is reading, they did a good job, I just liked the old book setup. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Romuluscrohns (talk • contribs) 01:56, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry, if I offended the "designer" with my language. However, I do not care as the template is an absolute disgrace! And as for changing it myself, well, it would be changed back immediately. I do not like edit wars, and I do not promote them. Making such a revolutionary change would provoke one, even if the change is for the better.

The change needs to be done. The sooner the better..... Dewarw 17:49, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I absolutely, 100% agree with Dewarw that the new format is a major hindrance to its navigability. It requires much more extensive reading and time spent parsing and understanding the template to jump from a book to the film.

Fundamentally, this data is tabular. Presumably there will be 7 books, 7 games, 7 films, 7 soundtracks, and 7 book/film difference articles. That's 35 links with 5 per book. Presenting this as a list is the wrong direction to go. A 5 column table was perfect. It was clear, concise, and didn't require reading through a list to find what you wanted to find. In case the obvious must be stated: the point of a nav box is to ease navigation. If I have to read through a list it just as well be category. Please restore this template back to its tabular format. Cburnett 22:27, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Well, I dunno where I stand on this one. I did like it better when it was in the table - and we can make it smaller now that the deletionists have had their way with the book/film diff articles (go guys! you rock!). However, I have reverted to this a couple of times mainly coz I don't like big mega dramatic changes without consensus. Mind you, did anyone ask for feedback about this in the first place? Maybe a "y'know, I was thinking of making the HP template easier to use. Will I recieve hate mail if I put it this way...?" would have gone down nicely and we wouldn't have had all this angriness on Wikipedia. Honestly, guys, it'll kill your soul. Just learn to bottle it all up and pop it out on someone who actually deserves it. Like bitchy English teachers. ;P But on a serious note, read WP:CIVIL.  the   DARK LORD   trombonator  06:54, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Don't patronize me. Being strongly opinionated does not make one uncivil.  Did I insult anyone?  Did I demean anyone?  Did I rail anyone for their contributions?

 * Or did I present my position logically and explain why I don't like the current template and why I preferred the old? Oh, and I haven't had an English teacher in a decade...  Cburnett 13:14, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

 * We shouldnt bring back the old one, because 1. so many links have been deleted/added/changed. And as Basar said, the navbox should be used. So i tried to make some sort of mash-up of the old and new, that might be put in its place.

Chandler talk 14:03, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I'm all for that even with the huge amount of wasted white space.

 * Consistency and "ease to code" are wholly irrelevant if the nav box fails to aide in navigation, which I think the current one does. Cburnett 14:29, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

 * First: Cbarnett, it was Dwarw that was uncivil. Second: I haven't had an English teacher since second period today. And third: can we put the stuff on the bottom of the table along the right hand side? As in, making it smaller and using up the space? -- the   DARK LORD   trombonator  05:31, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I suspect not since that doesn't fit in with this whole new "paradigm" change in navbox'ing. Cburnett 05:36, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I've made some "updates" or maybe I should say another suggestion for the style

One downside with this one is that I couldnt find any substitute for the Navbox generic subgroup for the Navbox_with_columns So I had to make my own, and it's far from perfect. PS. I know it doesnt look as good in lower resolutions, but from 1280*x and up it looks OK imo. Chandler talk 18:37, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Better, except the first book's name. The book has two english titles and both should be present.  This has nothing to do with spelling thus WP:SPELLING doesn't apply.  Cburnett 19:27, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No, WikiProject Harry Potter/Style guidelines Chandler talk 19:45, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

 * "At most, high-traffic pages may warrant..." and you don't consider this template "high traffic"? Contrary to your tone you are not a god of any flavor and cannot dictate.  The HP wikiproject cannot dictate.  Nevermind the page you link is a style guide, not policy.  Cburnett 20:12, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * What's so hard to understand? the US version IS a translation, this isnt the American wikipedia, its the English and its only in the USA (and Canada?) who don't use Philosopher's. Chandler talk 20:18, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

 * The difference is that I'm being inclusive, making it more widely usable and understood by more people. You're are being exclusive.  Why are you giving me an AE vs. BE lecture when you're the one excluding?!?  The point of nav boxes is to make navigation easy for everyone, not just brits who know the book as the philosopher's stone.  Stop being self-centered.  I should be giving you the AE vs. BE lecture.  WP:SPELLING doesn't apply.  Your style guide is not policy.  And your best argument is that I should have a world view by excluding a title?  (Nevermind that your definition of "translation" makes no sense.  Since WHEN do you trnaslate english to english???)  Cburnett 20:27, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's you who's being self-centered, trying to push something into here without a consensus. It's been discussed already (even on this talk page). This is why the book/film/soundtrack articles are named Philosopher's Stone. "not just brits who know the book" Its not "just brits" its EVERYONE except 1 or maybe 2 countries... Chandler talk 20:54, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Cburnett, you may want to look at WP:ENGVAR. Seeing as it's a British book, we use British English and the British titles. Will (talk) 19:25, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Too wide. Way too wide. What was wrong with the old version, again, with a row for each story? I don't see any obligation to use navbox when it doesn't suit. ASUE, e.g., doesn't.
 * —wwoods 20:16, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I'd be absolutely fine with the way it was. Cburnett 20:27, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

What's been done (arbitrary break)
Please, let's just stop the uncivilness and calm down. The world ain't going to end if the changes aren't immediate, and no one - not one of you thanked Chandler for knocking out that template work (exceptional work, btw), even when he acted on changes that folk suggested. CBurnett, grow a thicker skin. If people say things that bug you, realize that you might not be the source of their snippy (althought you certainly own the subsequent snippy when you gave it back). Please communicate with your fellow editors politely, or you will almost assuredly end up on the wrong end of a civility block. Pay attention to the crowd around here. They are a mostly even-handed bunch, but you aren't being polite, and are in fact asking for a fight that you really aren't going to want. Make the effort, please. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  09:01, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Yeah, good points, Arcayne. I've been away from the desk for a couple of days, and was surprised by the incivility ensuing. Well done, Chandler, for your tireless work - I wouldn't have a clue about any of it! I assure you, had I known who was behind the incredible masterpieces of templating, I would have piled praise on earlier. Perhaps, though, it is good that there were humungo arguments over the first few, because the newest one is "brillo", IMHO. I do feel, however, that it is slightly wide, but understand that because JKR made such long titles, it is difficult - maybe even impossible - to rectify this. Furthermore, Cburnett, there is in fact policy about the title of Book One. Approximately located at WP:MOS, it goes something along the lines of: "British subject, British spelling/title/etc." As PS is a British publication, we use the British title, which of course is the Philosopher's Stone title. We are NOT being exclusive; we are following Standard Wikipedia Procedure. Let's try and continue, as Arcayne so nicely puts it, to make the effort to get along and reach a peaceful solution. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR  07:34, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

 * For the "too wide" problem, you can do the width you want (% or px) I don't think you can go much under 750px at this one, if you dont want the "film game soundtrack" to be on multiple rows. I've trimmed it down as much as posible, with font-size @ 90% and film game soundtrack at 80% even though I think it looks better with original font size Chandler talk 14:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I'd like to address my comment to the Trombonator (kewl name, btw) but anyone can respond. I think its important that since the 'Sorceror Stone' title was in fact utilized, it is unencyclopedic to disinclude it in the higher profile articles as well as the book and film titles. I think this isn't really covered by the British subject and spelling issue - we are talking about an actual title, not one misinterpreted/misspelled by the silly Americans and their grubby Jerry-Springer version of English (lol). Therefore, we would be remiss an encyclopedists in ignoring that alternate title in favor of national product.
 * Lastly, thanks for the compliment. :) - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  22:26, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

 * OK, so we can mention that in the article, but it makes it waaaaay too cluttered on the already stretched table. Alternatively - and IDK how you'll like this - but you could put the common abbreviated title as the link or reference to the book (having a link to the book under a "book" link similar to the "film" etc links, and having the ref as plain black (bold) text. Is that comprehenable? I mean like Stone - book - film - game - soundtrack. Yes? No?
 * Chandler - the original font is easier to read and looks better too. Did I mention I like this style best? I'll say it again. Arcayne - I hate the contast in languages. Living in New Zealand it is hard to know which to use! I vote for a global English... not that this is the place for it of course :D -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR  07:20, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess I need to apologize - I don't think it needs to be said in the template. I was speaking in a more specifica sense to the articles. Yeah, put a link or some other explanatory comment that notes that Sorceror is covered by the references to Philosopher. Your every reasonable alternative might confuse people into thinking that Sorceror is a different book, and not just an alternatively-titled book with illustrations. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  18:39, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Sorry, Arcayne, I don't get the last bit: Your every reasonable alternative might confuse people into thinking that Sorceror is a different book, and not just an alternatively-titled book with illustrations.. However, I have ruthlessly copied and pasted Chandler's "nice" table and then hacked at it violently for a couple of minutes to produce what I had in mind. Note, I have taken the last bit off, as I was fine with how it was and didn't want to take up so much space. Also, I have alternative titles - the first four being the operative/key word in the title that it is commonly referred to by, the latter three having the inititals of the title. Which do you think is best?

 * Er, the one you worked very hard upon. Good work! :) - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  00:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Ooh, we could also call them by number, e.g. Book 1, Book 2, etc. And yes, that was me above. Perhaps the disjointed narrative gave it away. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR  01:05, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I dont really like the idea of Book 1-7, or having just Stone, Chamber, Azkaban, Goblet, and then abbreviations (I've never refered to them as just Stone Chamber Azkaban Goblet etc.). I dont think the titles (english) should be compromised because of a translations into American-english, as it's been stated the title "Philosopher's stone" is just not one thing invented by JKR and has substance, which Sorcerer's stone doesnt. Keep the full names imo, with removing of the "Harry Potter and the". Chandler talk  04:26, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

 * I guess I see what you mean, Chandler, and I guess I agree. However, the book was not 'translated into American English' at all. The same book was issued in both countries (speaking of US and UK). The only differences were the different title (which appeared in other countries as Sorceror's Stone aside from the American version), the presence of illustrations in at least the US version and of course (presumably) jacket art. I am not sure its something that needs to be addressed here so much as perhaps re-addressing the topic in the wikiproject discussion itself, and decide which articles should include the caveat about the alternat titling.
 * I must disagree, there are differences in the language, not just the title. I have listened through the audio-books of the first four books in the English version with Stephen Fry and the American version with Jim Dale. And there are differences. I cant make a real list of this word here and this sentence here. But there are differences. Chandler talk 07:45, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I guess I was a bit humbled by the effort you had made, Trombonator - Xhanlder has a valid point, and the template isn't where this matter should be addressed. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  07:27, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

 * Effort? No, it was simple copy and paste. I confirm there are differences within the versions - there's the cut passages from PS and HBP, plus a whole lot of word changes to suit the audience, e.g. "Sherbert Lemon" to "Lemon Drop", "Holiday" to "Vacation", etc., etc. So, yes, I would consider it a translation, as I consider American and British English to be two different strands of the same language. Yes, the same language, but would you call the changes between two different dialects of Chinese a translation. And... oh, now I see it. It shouldn't be addressed here. Shall we move discussion elsewhere, and let a wider range of editors look at it? And yeah, full titles is probably best. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR  08:49, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

New design
Xhandler, why do you say this looks "retarded"?

Xammer 15:13, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Because that's my opinion of it. Chandler talk 16:31, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I dislike the 1,2,3,4 ... It should say Philosopher's Stone, Chamber of Secrets, Prisoner of Azkaban, Goblet of Fire, etc. That would make it look a little less "retarded".  Sorry to those who find the word offensive.  24.49.35.99 (talk) 02:22, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Chandler's design
I liked Chandler's design of the template, only if we get the links shorter I think it would be really nice. And maybe a removal of the characters section, keeping the old HP characters template improved, and including a link to the characters' list. Something like this:

Comments? Lord Opeth (talk) 23:37, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

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Anything is better than what we have at the moment! I have been off this page for months and am surprise at the level of redesigning. The current template is vile and needs to be changed. I prefer this one:

It is clear and concise, having the most important info at the top. I would advise us to change it now, and discuss for better one after (and then change again).

Dewarw (talk) 18:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Rowling
Doesn't it seem weird that she's not there? She should probably be included in whatever template you guys use, too. SouperAwesome (talk) 14:39, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Really? I hadn't thought she was that important :p I'll make sure she gets in. Guess we overlooked it coz she's usually on the title bar. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR  00:40, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Done. Cburnett (talk) 14:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Finally did it
I couldn't take it any more. Sorry Basar.

I changed it to use one book per line inspired by this version. I don't care how it ends up but something had to get things going and this talk page is all talk with 20 dozen variants and nothing be done. Cburnett (talk) 06:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Characters
Is the characters section needed in this template? I'm pretty sure there is a separate template with only the characters. Stuart DD  contributions 20:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

 * The thing is that the characters template is nominated for deletion. Anyway, with the Notability issues, more and more pages are merged, so it would be useless to have a template only for 13 characters and a couple of articles about groups of characters. Lord Opeth (talk) 19:30, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh Dear
What has happened to the lovely template we once had?

The gaps on the new one look dreadful.

Sort it out! Go back to an old version that was actually good! Btline (talk) 18:28, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Gonna have to be more specific as to which version you're referring to. If you look above you'll find that the layout has been quite contentious...  Cburnett (talk) 23:47, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

The one above the heading "Rowling" Btline (talk) 13:00, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Btline, I don't think that was ever an actual template, just a suggestion for a possible template. Shame, though, I rather liked that one. I also think it is considerably smaller (in terms of screen size, no idea about characters etc) than our current one, and also more visually appealing. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR  05:42, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Removing redlinks
I do not think that redlinks should appear in the template. The purpose of the template is to allow users to easily navigate the articles on Wikipedia relating to Harry Potter, the red links don't ease navigation of such articles so they may not be appropriate in a navigational template. The normal reason for having redlinks in tables or lists is that it will encourage users to create the pages, in this instance there are enough editors commited to the topic that as soon as the relevent information is available the articles will be quickly created no without the links. In some ways the links are misleading as they indicate that the articles should be created even though at this stage such articles would likley be based on original research and not verifiable information from reliable sources. Any thoughts? Guest9999 (talk) 21:23, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You make a good point, I wont re-add them until the articles are created. (Maybe commented out until then?) Chandler talk 21:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * What articles would they be then? If some haven't been made yet you could throw some articles my way, I'll be more than glad to create them and edit them. Lord of Moria   Talk  Contribs 21:17, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This is a really old topic, it was about the film, soundtrack and game for Deathly Hallows, which I guess is under consensus not to create until later as there isn't really much to go on yet. — chandler — 21:20, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

New Template
Hope that you like it. It's much easier to read than the other one, I think. Comments and criticisms please!

Could I also ask that you DON'T change it without proper thought. And if you are going to change it, then please don't change it back to the previous one, because it was just an unorganized jumble of words!

Asf08 (talk) 18:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

 * I see no difference between this one and the supposedly "unorganized jumble of words" other than the fact that this one is much less visually appealing. All you have changed is the width of page taken up by the template, and the reduction of this has caused it to bunch up text that does not fit across the page (or is this my monitor's fault?). In any case, I find it harder to read than the original, which I consider an organised and coherent way to display such amounts of information. I am considering reverting this, but will wait for any other viewpoints. Further, it would have been more appropriate to design a new template in a user sandbox than to overwrite the existing. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR  23:34, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Most of navboxes are in full-width format. Also, sorting characters and lists into "Main" and "Supporting" is rather subjective. Who says that Luna alone is more important to the plot than all of the Death Eaters alone and as an organization? And one more addition: the titles of "Spin-off canon" move when they become bold (when the article is visited) and the sub-section has three lines and only four articles listed. -- LøЯd  ۞pεth  04:54, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Fansites
Anyone thinks this template should mention the Harry Potter fansites (those notable ones that have articles, as listed at Category:Harry Potter websites). I think this is an important part of Wikipedia coverage of Harry Potter. Comments? --PeaceNT (talk) 10:57, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

 * I disagree with your idea, as fansites aren't part of the franchise and have nothing to do with it. Jammy (talk) 16:28, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

 * I don't think everything in this template is part of the franchise. Also, Harry Potter Fandom is mentioned and the fansites can be considered related, too. Was just thinking a comprehensive template may make easier navigation... --PeaceNT (talk) 02:42, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Interesting idea...I don't feel strongly either way, but I wouldn't mind if sites such as the Harry Potter Lexicon and MuggleNet were added. faithless   (speak)  02:44, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

 * I disagree with it. They are not part of the fictional universe and are not part of the franchise as well. The related section should only list general and main matters. For example, the list of cast members instead of listing every actor, or the HP fandom article instead of listing all websites and HP derived bands. -- LøЯd  ۞pεth  04:49, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Cast section?
Should there be a section for cast (Radcliffe, Grint, Watson, etc.) of the films? I'm not necessarily saying that I think there should be, just that it should be brought up. faithless  (speak)  18:27, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If you ask me, most definitely not. It sounds like a good idea but it will soon become unwieldy, especially considering the templates already-too-large size. Plus we already have List of Harry Potter cast members, which will always be much more complete. Mr. Absurd (talk) 19:12, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I would tend to agree with you; it's also probably worth mentioning that comparable templates (i.e. Template:The Lord of the Rings and Template:Star Wars) do not have such a section. However, I have seen a few that do (from admittedly smaller series) - I just figured it was worth at least discussing. :-) faithless   (speak)  20:10, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I see your point—it's good to bring it up. Mr. Absurd (talk) 21:33, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Template far too wide
Can someone fix this please. IMO the only real way is to remove the seven column and go back to 7 lines. See Portal talk:Harry Potter -- SGBailey (talk) 22:49, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I've addressed this issue--71.187.173.34 (talk) 06:35, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * --Via linebreaks within the book titles.--71.187.173.34 (talk) 02:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

It is too wide again. Needs fixing by someone who understands the formatting better than I. But i'll have a go if noone else does it in the near future... -- SGBailey (talk)

✅ I have changed the column widths. Hope that does the trick. Apuldram (talk) 11:19, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Problem with template
I am the only one noticing that the template has 7 groups but only shows 6? The Attractions section is not seen. Can some admin fix this? -- LoЯd  ۞pεth  02:27, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Navbox with columns only supports a maximum of 6 groups, so you'll need to seek an increase there or regroup the articles in this template. BencherliteTalk 06:33, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅. :) Edenc1 • Talk 11:11, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Watford Junction
Does anyone think the template should include a page about the tour in Watford Junction?--TimothyJacobson (talk) 22:08, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Just realised I made very little sense with the above comment. I meant, should the template include a link to this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warner_Bros._Studios,_Leavesden ?  I am leaning toward "NO" at the moment, seeing as the Dr Who template doesn't have a link to their similar exhibit in Earl's Court.  Also, as the Leavesden page isn't solely about the Potter tour, although I feel a page maybe should be made about this tour.  Thoughts?--TimothyJacobson (talk) 22:13, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

 * I added Attraction: Warner Bros. Studio Tour London which redirects to the appropriate section of the "Leavesden" article (R to section).
 * That template documentation shows to handle this, the only real problem you have mentioned in my opinion. The Studio Tour certainly is worth naming and section-linking as a Harry Potter attraction. (The linked "Attractions" include particular rides within HP theme sections within amusement parks.) And I doubt that a separate page is warranted.
 * --P64 (talk) 19:11, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Wonderbook Book of Spells
I believe the Wonderbook Book of Spells game should appear in the list of games on the template now. 68.53.225.204 (talk) 06:53, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅. Edenc1 • Talk 11:13, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Formatting of columns for each book
The columns for each story currently have links under the book title to the corresponding film, soundtrack, and game. In the case of Deathly Hallows, these three links are each on a different line, whereas the other columns have film and soundtrack on one line and game on the line below. Not sure if there necessarily needs to be a column for Cursed Child, but when that column was created a few days ago, the Goblet of Fire column also switched to three lines, one for each media type. For uniformity's and aesthetic pleasure's sakes, should we set each column to have three lines, one for film, another for soundtrack, and a third for game? The "third line" for the first six stories is just an empty space at this point, so I figured maybe we can make it look nicer and more uniform. Then, whether Cursed Child gets a column of its own or not, the columns will look fairly similar. -RM (talk) 14:48, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
 * the multi-column format is very bad, especially on a narrow screen. we should reformat the navbox to use standard groups/lists. Frietjes (talk) 16:58, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree that something should be done, but I'm not sure the standard format works either. It'd leave four groups in a row with almost exactly the same content. —Flax5 14:15, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Would people prefer something like this? —Flax5 11:04, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * no objections, so done. Frietjes (talk) 14:29, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry for coming late to the party, but I think a separate group for the films (which would include the soundtracks) would be more appropriate. --Rob Sinden (talk) 15:04, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Would the games also be given a second line, or be kept with the films, which they're also derivative of? (Trying to spatially represent 31 works which only have seven names between them is such a weird problem!) —Flax5 15:35, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd be inclined to put the games in the "Games and toys" section. However this is done, I think it's important to separate the books from the films.  --Rob Sinden (talk) 15:40, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Something like this, but we can lose some of the "Harry Potter and...". --Rob Sinden (talk) 15:58, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I did this is one of my sandboxes for practise and I agree that it ends up a little wonky with so many columns. I think this version is definitely the best.*Trekker (talk) 07:44, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Pollomuhku ja Posityyhtynen
Would it be too far-fetched to add Pollomuhku ja Posityyhtynen on the line “Related works” (or “Related”)? Currently there is only Pottermore. --Mlang.Finn (talk) 19:05, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Split proposal
I come with this proposal to split the Fandom section into a separate navbox, since this current version of this navbox is extremely large, with hundreds of links. Main reasons are that this is one of the largest (if not the largest) sections of the navbox, and because it has an article on the subject. Thoughts? -- LoЯd  ۞pεth  00:33, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

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Água Grande District

Água Grande is a district of São Tomé and Príncipe, on São Tomé Island. Its capital, São Tomé, is also the national capital of the equatorial Atlantic island nation of São Tomé and Príncipe. Covering only 16.5 km2, it is the smallest of the nation's seven districts in terms of area, but the largest in population with 69,454 residents in 2012 rising to an estimated 77,700 in 2018. It is divided into the two statistical subdistricts São Tomé and Pantufo.

Settlements
The main settlement is the town São Tomé. Other settlements are:

 * Água Porca
 * Almeirim
 * Boa Morte
 * Chacara
 * Correia
 * Madre Deus
 * Oque del Rei
 * Pantufo
 * Ponta Mina
 * Quinta Santo António
 * Riboque
 * São João da Vargem
 * São Marçal

Politics
Água Grande currently has 13 seats in the National Assembly.

Persons

 * Marcos Barbeiro, footballer
 * Guadalupe de Ceita, medic and a politician
 * Manuel Pinto da Costa, politician, President of São Tomé and Príncipe from 2011 to 2016
 * Adimar Neves, footballer currently living in Europe
 * Lecabela Quaresma, athlete

International relations
Água Grande District is twinned with:

 * Lisbon, Portugal

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125 (number)

125 (one hundred [and] twenty-five) is the natural number following 124 and preceding 126.

In mathematics

125 is the cube of 5. It can be expressed as a sum of two squares in two different ways, 125 = 10² + 5² = 11² + 2².

125 and 126 form a Ruth-Aaron pair under the second definition in which repeated prime factors are counted as often as they occur.

Like many other powers of 5, it is a Friedman number in base 10 since 125 = 51 + 2.

125 is the center of a close triplet of perfect powers, (121 = 112, 125 = 53, 128 = 27). Excluding the trivial cases of 0 and 1, the only closer such triplet is (4,8,9) and the only other equally close is (25, 27, 32).

U.S. military

 * Air National Guard 125th Special Tactics Squadron unit in Portland, Oregon
 * US Air Force 125th Fighter Wing, Air National Guard unit at Jacksonville International Airport, Florida
 * US Navy VAW-125 squadron at Naval Station Norfolk, Virginia
 * US Navy VFA-125 strike fighter squadron at Naval Air Station Lemoore, California
 * USNS Mission San Jose (T-AO-125), a US Navy fleet oiler during World War II
 * USS Tide (AM-125), a US Navy minesweeper
 * Northrop YC-125 Raider utility transport plane

In transportation

 * The Fiat 125 automobile
 * Many motorcycle licenses and racing events limit engine capacity to 125cc. Examples of 125cc motorcycles include;
 * The Honda XRM 125 motorcycle
 * The Yamaha YZ125, for motocross
 * The Harlem-125th Street (Metro-North) station serving Harlem, New York City
 * The InterCity 125, sometimes referred to simply as "one two five", a British high-speed train
 * New Jersey Transit bus route 125
 * London Buses route 125 is a Transport for London contracted bus route in London
 * 125 is the number of many roads, including Mexican Federal Highway 125
 * Pan Am Flight 125 from London’s Heathrow Airport to New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport which had pressurization problems on March 10, 1987
 * The 125th Street Bridge crosses the Mississippi River in Minnesota
 * STS-125, a Space Shuttle Atlantis mission, the final mission to service the Hubble Space Telescope, launched May 11, 2009 at 2:01 pm EDT landed May 24, 2009 at 11:39:05 am EDT
 * 125 (dinghy) - a class of sailing dingy popular in Australia.
 * EMD F125 locomotive manufactured by Electro Motive Diesel.

In other fields
125 is also:
 * The year AD 125 or 125 BC
 * 125 AH is a year in the Islamic calendar that corresponds to 742 – 743 CE
 * 125 Liberatrix is a Main belt asteroid
 * The atomic number of the yet-to-be-discovered element unbipentium
 * Sonnet 125 by William Shakespeare
 * 125th Street, Manhattan, New York City
 * 125th Street (New York City Subway), multiple subway stations
 * CA-125, also known as CA125, is an abbreviation for cancer antigen 125
 * 125 High Street is a 30-floor high-rise in Boston
 * The highest number of analog cable-ready channels an American television set receives.

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The End of Heartache

The End of Heartache is the third studio album by American metalcore band Killswitch Engage. It was released on May 11, 2004, through Roadrunner Records. It is the first album to feature lead vocalist Howard Jones and drummer Justin Foley. It received positive acclaim from critics.

Release
"When Darkness Falls" appeared on the soundtrack to the 2003 horror film Freddy vs. Jason. The album debuted in the top 40 on the Australian album charts on May 17, 2004, following a successful tour of that country with Anthrax. It won Best Album at the 2004 Metal Hammer Golden Gods Awards. The title track was nominated for Best Metal Performance at the 47th Annual Grammy Awards.

Two music videos: "Rose of Sharyn" and "The End of Heartache" were filmed in promotion of the album. "Rose of Sharyn" had the group performing in a sunny desert with blood dripping from dead branches to form words. "The End of Heartache" featured a darkly lit performance with various animated imagery with scenes from Resident Evil: Apocalypse dotted throughout. Both videos saw notable airplay on Headbangers Ball. The band previously played on the 2003 MTV2 Headbangers Ball Tour.

A special edition of the album was released in 2005 that contained six additional tracks.

The album was certified Gold by the RIAA on December 7, 2007.

Reception
The End of Heartache was ranked number 401 in Rock Hard magazine's book The 500 Greatest Rock & Metal Albums of All Time in 2005. It received positive reviews from music critics.

Personnel

 * Killswitch Engage
 * Howard Jones – lead vocals
 * Adam Dutkiewicz – lead guitar, backing vocals, producer, engineering
 * Joel Stroetzel – rhythm guitar, backing vocals
 * Mike D'Antonio – bass, design, artwork photography, layout
 * Justin Foley – drums, percussion

 * Guest musicians
 * Jesse Leach – additional vocals ("Take This Oath" and "Irreversal")
 * Phil Labonte – additional vocals ("Hope Is..." and "Irreversal")
 * Andy Sneap – additional guitar ("The End of Heartache")

 * Production
 * Chris Fortin – assistant engineer
 * Wayne Krupa – assistant engineer
 * Andy Sneap – mixing, mastering

Song appearances

 * "A Bid Farewell (Live)" is featured on Disc #1 of the compilation MTV2 Headbangers Ball: The Revenge
 * The original recording of "When Darkness Falls" is featured on the film soundtrack Freddy vs. Jason
 * "The End of Heartache (Resident Evil Version)" is featured on the film soundtrack Resident Evil: Apocalypse; also as the theme song of professional wrestler Roderick Strong and Tyler Black
 * "Rose of Sharyn" is also featured on Disc 1 of the compilation MTV2 Headbangers Ball, Vol. 2
 * "The End of Heartache" is a playable song in Guitar Hero: Van Halen, Rock Revolution and Rock Band 3 as DLC with an optional Pro Guitar/Bass download.
 * "The End of Heartache" was featured daily as the closing theme song on "Morency" on Hardcore Sports Radio Sirius Satellite Channel 98 from the summer to late fall of 2009; at which time the show was dropped.

Chart positions
Album

Singles

Additional information

 * Mixed and mastered at Backstage Productions, Ripley, Derbyshire, UK, from January 2004 to February 2004.

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Cantagalo District

Cantagalo is a district of São Tomé and Príncipe, on São Tomé Island. Its area is 119 km2, and its population is 17,161 (2012). The district seat is Santana. Cantagalo is divided into the two statistical subdistricts Santana and Ribeira Afonso.

Settlements
The main settlement is the town Santana. Other settlements are:

 * Água Izé
 * Anselmo Andrade
 * Cidade Alta
 * Cova Água
 * Guegue
 * Nova Olinda
 * Picão Flor
 * Praia Messias Alves
 * Ribeira Afonso
 * Riboque Santana
 * Santa Clotilde
 * Uba Budo
 * Zandrigo

Points of interests

 * Roça Água Izé
 * Ilhéu de Santana

Politics
Cantagalo currently has seven seats in the National Assembly.

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Bukit Cina

Bukit China (Malay: "Chinese Hill"; Chinese: 三宝山) is a hillside of historical significance in Malacca City, the capital of the Malaysian state of Malacca. It is located several kilometres to the north from the historical centre of Malacca (Dutch town and Chinatown). The site is today surrounded by the modern city on all sides.

History
According to local tradition, in the mid-15th century, the legendary Hang Li Po was sent to be married to the sultan of Malacca, Mansur Shah, to seal relations between the two states. The hill, Bukit Cina, a gift from the sultan, was established as their residence. Marine archaeology of a shipwreck (Royal Nanhai wreck from about 1460 AD) suggested royal gifts from China, shipped during Sultan Mansor Shah's reign.

The Well of Perigi Raja, situated next to Poh San Teng Temple (mistakenly known as Sam Po Kong Temple) at the foot of the hill (2.1966°N, 102.2562°W), was constructed by Hang Li Po's followers for her personal use but was also an important source of water for much of the town. It was also a prime target for opposition forces, which either poisoned it or tried to hold it for their own use. It was reputed never to have dried up even during droughts. Today, the well has acquired the reputation of a wishing well and it is believed that anyone who throws a coin into the well will return to Malacca. Bukit Cina and two adjoining hills today form a Chinese graveyard covering over 250,000 square metres. With over 12,000 graves, some of which date to the Ming Dynasty, it is said to be the largest Chinese graveyard outside China.

Admiral Zheng He's Seven Dragon Wells
Admiral Zheng He (Cheng Ho)'s Seven Wells lie in the foot of the Bukit China, beside the Poh San Teng Temple. These wells were dug by Admiral Zheng He's expedition force during their stopover in Malacca during the Ming dynasty. Bukit Cina was chosen by Zheng He to be used as the base for his expeditionary force. The Seven Wells are also known as the Dragon's wells according to fengshui principles. some of these wells were bulldozed during the 1950-60s for road building. To-date, only three wells are left intact and they have never been dried even in the worst of drought.

Zheng He's visit is recorded in verified Chinese history as compared to the fabled lore of Perigi Raja wells. Zheng He, acting under the orders of the Yongle Emperor, escorted Princess Hang Li Poh to be wed to Sultan Mansor Shah, in the 15th century. As a gift to Hang Li Poh and the Chinese settlers in Bukit Cina, Zheng He dug seven wells, which is originally known as the Perigi Raja and mistakenly called "Hang Li Poh's well".

Due to the political and racial tension in the country since 2008, several rumours and disagreement regarding the history of the seven wells and also the existence of Hang Li Poh herself arose. This has contributed to many accusation being thrown to the local government by various NGOs and the opposition as the culprit of making the Malay history more colourful using it as a propaganda tool to gain support from the Chinese community.

However, the accusation by certain parties that the historical details of Zheng He's expedition force puts the Malay kingdom's sovereignty in a bad light, appeared to be questionable as it is well recorded that Zheng He, who voyaged to Malacca several times, did establish a regional headquarters in Malacca in the 15th century to conduct regional diplomatic and entrepot activities in Southeast Asia due to the close relation between the Chinese empire and the kingdom of Malacca as well as the importance of Malacca as an entrepot in Southeast Asia.

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Nottinghamshire County Cricket Club

Nottinghamshire County Cricket Club is one of eighteen first-class county clubs within the domestic cricket structure of England and Wales. It represents the historic county of Nottinghamshire. The club's limited overs team is called the Notts Outlaws.

The county club was founded in 1841, although teams had played first-class cricket under the Nottinghamshire name since 1835. The county club has always held first-class status. Nottinghamshire had competed in the County Championship since the official start of the competition in 1890 and have played in every top-level elite domestic cricket competition in England.

The club plays most of its home games at the Trent Bridge cricket ground in West Bridgford, Nottingham, which is also a venue for Test matches. The club has played matches at numerous other venues in the county.

History
Nottingham Cricket Club is known to have played matches from 1771 onwards and 15 matches involving this side have been awarded first-class status from 1826. A single first-class match was played by a combined Nottinghamshire and Leicestershire side in 1803 but the first Nottinghamshire sides played in 1829. Eight matches played by this side between 1835 and 1840 have first-class status.

The formal creation of Nottinghamshire County Cricket Club was enacted in March or April 1841 (the exact date has been lost). William Clarke established Trent Bridge as a cricket venue adjacent to the public house he ran. It was Clarke's successor as Nottinghamshire captain, George Parr, who first captained a united England touring team in 1859. The club elected its first president, Sir Henry Bromley, in 1869. Early professional greats such as Alfred Shaw and Arthur Shrewsbury ensured that Notts were a force in the period before 1900. Thanks largely to the outstanding bowling combination of Tom Wass and Albert Hallam, the county won the County Championship in 1907 when George Gunn, John Gunn and Wilfred Payton were also prominent.

Between the wars Notts enjoyed the services of the famous bowlers Harold Larwood and Bill Voce. Strong batting from George Gunn, Arthur Carr and Dodger Whysall saw them emerge as champions in 1929 after losing the title on the final day of the season in 1927. Prior to the second war, opening batsman Walter Keeton gained Test recognition, though the bowling was less effective.

Through the early fifties the team was weak. The signing of the Australian leg break bowler Bruce Dooland, arrested the decline but until the signing of the incomparable Garfield Sobers in 1968, the team was weak. Sobers hit Malcolm Nash of Glamorgan for six sixes in an over in a County Championship game at Swansea in his first season. Mike Harris scored heavily in the 1970s, including nine centuries in 1971 but apart from Barry Stead, the bowling lacked penetration.

Nottinghamshire enjoyed one of their strongest teams in the late seventies and early eighties when the New Zealand all-rounder Richard Hadlee, South African captain Clive Rice and England batsman Derek Randall led the team to the County Championship in 1981. The club's most successful season came in 1987, as Rice and Hadlee marked their departure with the double of County Championship and NatWest Trophy. Chris Broad and Tim Robinson continued the club's long tradition of batting excellence into the England team but for some years the club struggled to repeat those achievements, although they did claim a Benson & Hedges Cup in 1989 and a Sunday League title in 1991 under Robinson's captaincy. Former Warwickshire off spinner Eddie Hemmings made a significant contribution while local seam bowler Kevin Cooper was a consistent wicket taker.

The following decade was one of underachievement, but in 2004, Nottinghamshire enjoyed a highly successful season, gaining promotion to both the Frizzell County Championship Division One, after winning Division Two, and also Totesport Division One. In 2005, Nottinghamshire won their first County Championship title since 1987, New Zealand's Stephen Fleming captaining the team to victory. However, the success was not sustained in 2006 and Notts were relegated by a margin of just half a point, although they had more success in the shorter formats and ended up runners-up on their debut appearance at Twenty20 Cup finals day. In 2007, Notts won promotion back to the top flight of the County Championship, finishing second in Division Two.

In 2008, the first season of Chris Read's captaincy, they came close to winning both the County Championship and NatWest Pro40 outright, losing to Hampshire on the final day and Sussex on the final ball respectively. In 2010, Nottinghamshire made it to Finals Day of the Friends Provident Twenty20 Cup. Drawn against Somerset, Notts lost on the Duckworth Lewis method. However, they won the County Championship on the last day, having lost the preceding two matches, with Somerset in second place tied on points but with one less win. 2013 brought a second major trophy of the Read era with victory in the YB40 one-day competition. While further titles eluded them, Notts remained a fixture in the First Division of the Championship for the next decade under Read's long-running captaincy, also featuring a number of England players including Stuart Broad, Graeme Swann, Alex Hales, James Taylor and Samit Patel. In 2017, trophy success returned to Notts. Under the captaincy of Australian Dan Christian, they won their first T20 Blast trophy beating Birmingham Bears in the final, whilst in the same season securing the Royal London One-Day Cup with victory over Surrey.

Read, by now only captaining the first-class side, retired in 2017 and was replaced as club captain by Steven Mullaney, with Christian continuing to lead the T20 side. Despite struggles in the longer game, Notts won a second T20 Blast title in 2020, beating Surrey in a rain-affected final.

Current squad

 * No. denotes the player's squad number, as worn on the back of his shirt.
 * ‡ denotes players with international caps.
 * denotes a player who has been awarded a county cap.

Former players
The players with over 400 first-class appearances for the club are:
 * George Gunn 583 (1902–32)
 * Wilf Payton 489 (1905–31)
 * John Gunn 489 (1896-1925)
 * Tom Oates 420 (1897-1925)
 * Arthur Carr 416 (1910–34)
 * Joe Hardstaff Jr 408 (1930–55)
 * Willis Walker 405 (1913–37)

The players with over 600 total club appearances (first-class, list A and twenty20; reflecting the introduction of one day county cricket in 1963) are:
 * Derek Randall 800 (1971–93)
 * Paul Johnson 748 (1981-2002)
 * Tim Robinson 742 (1978–99)
 * Chris Read 703 (1998-2017)
 * Samit Patel 629 (2002-23)
 * Basher Hassan 614 (1966–85)
 * Bruce French 603 (1976–95)

Club captains
A full list of captains of the club from its formation to the present day: • William Clarke (1830–1855)

• George Parr (1856–1870)

• Richard Daft (1871–1880)

• William Oscroft (1881–1882)

• Alfred Shaw (1883–1886)

• Mordecai Sherwin (1887–1888)

• John Dixon (1889–1899)

• Arthur Jones (1900–1914)

• Arthur Carr (1919–1934)

• George Heane (1935)

• Stuart Rhodes (1935)

• George Heane (1936–1946)

• William Sime (1947–1950)

• Reg Simpson (1951–1960)

• John Clay (1961)

• Andrew Corran (1962)

• Geoff Millman (1963–1965)

• Norman Hill (1966–1967)

• Garfield Sobers (1968–1972)

• Brian Bolus (1972)

• Garfield Sobers (1973)

• Jack Bond (1974)

• Mike Smedley (1975–1979)

• Clive Rice (1979–1987)

• Tim Robinson (1988–1995)

• Paul Johnson (1996–1998)

• Jason Gallian (1998–2004)

• Stephen Fleming (2005–2007)

• Chris Read (2008–2017)

• Steven Mullaney (2018 to date)

Team totals

 * Highest total for – 791 v. Essex, Chelmsford, 2007
 * Highest total against – 781/7 dec by Northamptonshire, Northampton, 1995
 * Lowest total for – 13 v. Yorkshire, Nottingham, 1901
 * Lowest total against – 16 by Derbyshire, Nottingham, 1879

Batting

 * Highest score – 312* W. W. Keeton v. Middlesex, The Oval, 1939
 * Most runs in season – 2,620 W. W. Whysall, 1929

Highest partnership for each wicket

 * 1st – 406* D. J. Bicknell and G. E. Welton v. Warwickshire, Birmingham, 2000
 * 2nd – 402 Haseeb Hameed and B. M. Duckett v. Derbyshire, Derby, 2022
 * 3rd – 392* W. A. Young and J. M. Clarke v. Somerset, Taunton, 2024
 * 4th – 361 A. O. Jones and J. R. Gunn v. Essex, Leyton, 1905
 * 5th – 359 D. J. Hussey and C. M. W. Read v. Essex, Nottingham, 2007
 * 6th – 372* K. P. Pietersen and J. E. Morris v. Derbyshire, Derby, 2001
 * 7th – 301 C. C. Lewis and B. N. French v. Durham, Chester-le-Street, 1993
 * 8th – 220 G. F. H. Heane and R. Winrow v. Somerset, Nottingham, 1935
 * 9th – 170 J. C. Adams and K. P. Evans v. Somerset, Taunton, 1994
 * 10th – 152 E. B. Alletson and W. Riley v. Sussex, Hove, 1911

Bowling

 * Best bowling – 10/66 K. Smales v. Gloucestershire, Stroud, 1956
 * Best match bowling – 17/89 F. C. L. Matthews v. Northamptonshire, Nottingham, 1923
 * Wickets in season – 181 B. Dooland, 1954

First XI honours

 * County Championship (6) – 1907, 1929, 1981, 1987, 2005, 2010
 * Division Two (2) – 2004, 2022

 * Gillette/NatWest/C&G Trophy (1) – 1987
 * Sunday/National League (1) – 1991
 * Benson & Hedges Cup (1) – 1989
 * YB40 (1) – 2013
 * Royal London One-Day Cup (1) – 2017
 * T20 Blast (2) – 2017, 2020

Second XI honours

 * Second XI Championship (3) – 1972, 1985, 2015'''
 * Second XI Trophy (1) – 2011

title: Nottinghamshire County Cricket Club