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April 2005 - November 2006

December 2006 - April 2009 Note: Please do not message or email me eliciting my support for an article unless it's in a topic area I'm already involved in. Thanks! :-) GreenReaper

Cat
Your userpage was below the minimum cat quota. But don't worry - I've fixed it for you. Ceiling Cat (talk) 00:32, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

MPOGD cite on Furcadia
Are you sure it's a republished press release from DEP? It does read like a press release, but MPOGD may have fact-checked Dr. Cat's "first MMO to be online for 10 years continuously" claim, and put it forth with their own seal of approval. Perhaps I'm giving them too much credit, though.... -kotra (talk) 02:46, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. See the (window) title of this page, and compare the text. GreenReaper (talk) 03:06, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've adjusted the citation accordingly. Tsk. The lack of non-DEP-written sources are a problem. I wonder if I should send an email to DEP asking if they know of any news articles or such about Furcadia. Given their well-known lack of response to emails and my ...hazardous relationship with them, it's probably a lost cause, but.... -kotra (talk) 03:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
Griffinofwales (talk) 18:50, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
Griffinofwales (talk) 19:57, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
Griffinofwales (talk) 03:39, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

WP:RB
Per comments made here, could you please leave a time stamp on your post at WP:RB, and I am undoing your edit to the top of WP:RB, also per the comments made at WT:RB. Thank you. Griffinofwales2 (talk) 16:11, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * There is already a timestamp in the page history. I refuse to add another one. You are trying to make the process needlessly bureaucratic. GreenReaper (talk) 16:51, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Wiki-Conference New York Update: 3 weeks to go
For those of you who signed up early, Wiki-Conference New York has been confirmed for the weekend of July 25-26 at New York University, and we have Jimmy Wales signed on as a keynote speaker.

There's still plenty of time to join a panel, or to propose a lightning talk or an open space session. Register for the Wiki-Conference here. And sign up here for on-wiki notification. All are invited! This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 03:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Wiki-Conference New York panel
We have moved your "Barnraisings and cross-wiki collaborations" panel from slot B-3 on Sunday to slot B-2 on Saturday, to avoid a scheduling conflict. Thanks!--Pharos (talk) 17:27, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * BTW, it would also be good if you folks could make some preparations among yourselves about how best to work together on the panel. I'll be sending you all an e-mail on this soon.--Pharos (talk) 17:30, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of T.H.E. Fox
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Many thanks!
Just wanted to say how much I enjoyed being on the Panel with you at the Conference, and to thank you, not only for your excellent talk, which was a perfect lead-in to Clockworksoul's talk and mine, but also for being so considerate about cueing up our talks and so on. It was great to meet you. If you live in this general area, as you may have seen, I can get you into any museum for free, so let me know if that would be helpful sometime. Oh and if that was your camera, I would love a copy of the photo of us three. Best, Invertzoo (talk) 22:29, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I had a nice time too - I felt the talks and the questions together were very informative. And here's the photo. I think it came out well! :-)
 * I live over in Detroit, but if I return at some point, perhaps I could take you up on that offer. Either way, good luck with your projects, both on- and off-wiki. GreenReaper (talk) 02:33, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Great to meet you!
It was great to finally meet you in person. Best of luck with your pursuits, Furry and otherwise! - ClockworkSoul 18:25, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Likewise - and I'm sure they'll go just fine. :-) GreenReaper (talk) 19:00, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Green
Hi GreenReaper, Just wanted to let you know that in a thrift store in California (visiting my in-laws) I bought myself a pair of apple-green jeans, and also another hoodie, a green tropical patterned one. I enjoyed my green outfit so much at the conference, and your appreciation of my being in green helped make me realize even more how great it really is. So thanks for the inspiration. Say hello to your avatar for me, Invertzoo (talk) 15:46, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * *grins* - well, I'll be wearing green myself for the next five days, as I'm flying to RainFurrest in a couple of hours. I'll be sure to let him know once I unpack him from the overhead compartment . . . GreenReaper (talk) 19:28, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Skin
Hello, I'm in charge of a regiowiki called Wiki-Brest, I'm looking for a skin to make more attract the wiki. I searched to the net on these websites : Could you help me to find beautiful and ergonomic skins ?
 * http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Gallery_of_user_styles (there are no screenprint, no files .php .deps.php and no folder in download. So I'm lost.
 * http://paulgu.com/wiki/Mediawiki_Skins
 * http://mediawiki2u.com/

Maybe you know some companies which could develop skins.

Thanks you. Sorry for my bad english, i'm french Filyg (talk) 12:13, 28 October 2009 (UTC) contact @ wiki-brest.net

 * I may not be the best adviser for custom skins, as I campaigned for our host (Wikia) to keep the Monobook skin, and even moved a wiki to its own hosting because it was being removed. But still . ..
 * Firstly, MediaWiki is adding a new standard skin called Vector, which you can try on the English Wikipedia (and possibly the French one). It is not ready yet, but it will probably be in the next major release of the software in a few months. If you like it, perhaps that would be sufficient. See http://usability.wikimedia.org/ for more details.
 * On the gallery of user styles page, there are many skins available for download. Some *are* full skins, but these are packaged in zip files or on other sites. I do not think PHP is an enabled file format on the wiki.
 * Many of the skins are CSS modifications of Monobook. This may be good, as Monobook is likely to be updated with new features, and a modification of it is less likely to break with new versions. If you wish to try these, you can put the CSS in the MediaWiki:Monobook.css page on your wiki, or upload the file somewhere and @import it from there. You could also copy Monobook under a new name and override that instead.
 * Some sites have made or modified their own skins, for example tfwiki.net and aboutus.org. If you like what they did, perhaps they could give or sell you a copy. If you want to make your own, you could try this book.
 * You could also try asking on the Wikipedia IRC channel or MediaWiki and WikiTech mailing lists. GreenReaper (talk) 14:31, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Merge discussion
I closed Articles for deletion/Thomas K. Dye as merge. User:Barberio disputed this close and opened a deletion review, which was closed as the admin argued that merge closes are not considered at DRV. I merged the material to Newshounds and redirected the article; Barberio has reverted the redirect, though the material remains merged. A discussion on the merge is at Talk:Newshounds; your participation would be welcome. Fences &  Windows  01:43, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year
Dear Greenreaper,

Our vision for Wikipedia is one of beauty, natural symmetry and light.

I wish you a Happy New Year, everything good for your family, your loved ones and yourself, peace and joy for all the people of the world. I also wish a joyful and peaceful expansion for Wikipedia, may it bring helpful, generous, and peaceful information to everyone in the world. All the very best from Invertzoo (talk) 19:13, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Conflicted licensing on image File:WindowFX drag out transition.gif
The above noted image or media file appears to have conflicted licensing. As an image cannot be both 'free' and 'unfree', a check of the exact status of this media/image concerned is advised.Sfan00 IMG (talk) 14:53, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes it can. It's not a complicated concept. Read the image description page. (Also, you got the image name wrong, I fixed it.) GreenReaper (talk) 20:21, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Which means that the image as a whole has to be treated as non-free- IE, not be plastered in free content templates. J Milburn (talk) 20:31, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * In fact, looking at the image, the background (the non-free part) is not important, and the main focus of the image is freely licensed. As such, the image should be recreated without the non-free components. J Milburn (talk) 20:33, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Go right ahead. I spent far too much of my life getting that image onto Wikipedia in the first place for me to bother. GreenReaper (talk) 00:50, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for File:Object Desktop 2 Logo.jpg
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Fair use rationale for File:DesktopX Theme.jpg
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Fair use rationale for File:ObjectBar Theme Autumn.jpg
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Fair use rationale for File:DirectSkin screenshot.png
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Fair use rationale for File:ObjectDock Screenshot.jpg
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Fair use rationale for File:Stardock Central screenshot.jpg
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Fair use rationale for File:Galactic Civilizations OS2 screenshot.PNG
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Possibly unfree File:TweakVista.png
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Fair use rationale for File:StyleVista.png
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Fair use rationale for File:BootSkin Creatures Eggs16.png
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Fair use rationale for File:GalacticCivilizationsIIColony.png
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Fair use rationale for File:GalacticCivilizationsIICustomShip.png
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File:MidwestFurFest2005VarietyShowEnd.jpg missing description details
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Speedy deletion nomination of File:TweakVista.png
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Fair use rationale for File:WinCustomize Logo.png
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Disputed non-free use rationale for File:Atomic Mouse issue 1.jpg
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Disputed non-free use rationale for File:Atomic Mouse Shanda Fantasy Arts issue 1.jpg
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Fair use rationale for File:GalCiv2DarkAvatarBoxShot.jpg
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[[File:TweakVista.png]] deleted
Please see this page for information on donating copyrighted material. Looking over your page, I would strongly recommend that you stop uploading images until you have a better undertsanding of our image use policy or you may end up being blocked. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:09, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The deletion of [[File:TweakVista.png]] was incorrect. I had permission to upload the image under the stated license (which was later converted to include CC-BY-SA), and I did so in the correct manner. A message to OTRS is not required for those works which you yourself have created. Please undelete it.
 * Bear in mind that most of the other images were uploaded in 2005. At that time, a detailed fair-use image rationale was not required. All of the above messages were added in the space of a few minutes, a couple of hours ago. I cannot address them all at once, yet I still placed a hangon template on this image. It was apparently ignored. GreenReaper (talk) 20:14, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

File:Stardock Fences.png listed for deletion
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Please stop posting robotic messages to people's talk pages
Please stop posting robotic messages to people's talk pages when they edit an article you are monitoring. ~ Agvulpine (talk) 18:02, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

 * I didn't. I typed that in manually. No script or bot was used. GreenReaper (talk) 18:27, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Cat reversions on MUCKs
Seriously, in 2010 we're still doing the TinyParochialism where we don't want to be MUDs because MUDs are stupid kill-the-monster games? Come on. That isn't helping anybody, not with the way the community has evaporated. We have enough problems on Wikipedia without insisting on fragmenting ourselves for archaic reasons. If it helps, I can also produce reliable source citations spelling out that MUD is a generic, not anything implying combat or any other particular sort of game, and in fact encompasses "MU*" (counterintuitively, obviously). —chaos5023 (talk) 14:28, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Then you should recategorize Category:MU* games under Category:MUD games rather than adding all members of that category to Category:MUD games. GreenReaper (talk) 17:42, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, that seems pretty sensible. —chaos5023 (talk) 17:52, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Revision to Sid Meier's Alien Crossfire and Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri articles
I noticed that you have revised either Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri or Sid Meier's Alien Crossfire.

I intend to revise those articles following the WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines. There are more details on the discussion pages of those articles. I'd be interested in any comments you have. It would be best if your comments were on the discussion pages of the two articles.

Thank you.

Vyeh (talk) 19:13, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

You are now a Reviewer
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Template help
I saw your hack for having a sortable template with Furry-con-list-start and Furry-con-list-entry with column spanning and wanted to know if you knew of a way to make the main column headings span and unsorotable while having secondary column headings sortable. I would like to use this with a visual novel listing currently at work on my page, but am running into issues with the sub headings. The desired format, minus the sortability, is on my userspace. 陣 内 Jinnai 06:11, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Wiki-Conference NYC (2nd annual)
Our 2nd annual Wiki-Conference NYC has been confirmed for the weekend of August 28-29 at New York University.

There's still plenty of time to join a panel, or to propose a lightning talk or an open space session. Register for the Wiki-Conference here. And sign up here for on-wiki notification. All are invited! This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 15:20, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: Elemental: War of Magic TOC
It didn't break the layout, but it did look very strange having both the infobox and TOC right-aligned. Feel free to change it back if you want. —Slicing (talk) 20:13, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

"S comes before T"
"Alphabetize" would have sufficed. It wasn't intuitively obvious to me that the entries were in alphabetical order rather than some sort of priority order, which I suppose is a failing on my part, but the failing wasn't that I don't know the order of the Latin alphabet. —chaos5023 (talk) 22:06, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Ozy and Millie
If it's so freaking notable, why is there absolutely no non-trivial secondary source coverage? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 01:20, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

MediaWikiAuth
Hi There. I run a large wiki on Wikia, and we're considering a move back to being self-hosted. As you no doubt know, we can take the dump but not the user accounts. Obviously this is not just annoying for users who have to re-register, but dangerous as any randomer could register another users' account. The MediaWikiAuth extension would be absolutely great to help us deal with this. Even if we can't copy preferences, is there any chance we can get hold of the extension? Thanks - Gerardtalk 18:22, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi! I have put a copy of the latest internal version of this extension here. Please note that it has not been tested with 1.16, or indeed outside WikiFur at all. It should work with the token changes introduced recently. I strongly suggest reading through the code to understand what it does. You will need a copy of Snoopy and configuration similar to the following:

$wgMediaWikiAuthAPIURL = 'http://www.wikia.com/api.php'; $wgMediaWikiAuthPrefsURL = 'http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences'; require_once($IP.'/extensions/MediaWikiAuth/MediaWikiAuth.php'); $wgAuth = new MediaWikiAuthPlugin;

GreenReaper (talk) 21:29, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that - very nicely commented code (rare to see)! It seems to need a table to be set up - do you have the schema or sql for that handy? Gerardtalk 23:20, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

 * Ah, local_users? It shouldn't be required since it also searches for past editors' names in the revision table, and probably isn't available to you anyway - we got a database dump which happened to have it in and used it as a shortcut - but here you go.

mysql> describe local_users; +-+-+--+-+-+---+ +-+-+--+-+-+---+ +-+-+--+-+-+---+
 * Field      | Type            | Null | Key | Default | Extra |
 * user_name  | varchar(255)    | NO   | PRI |         |       |
 * user_id    | int(5) unsigned | NO   | UNI | 0       |       |
 * numgroups  | bigint(21)      | NO   |     | 0       |       |
 * singlegroup | char(16)       | NO   |     | NULL    |       |
 * rev_cnt    | int(11)         | NO   |     | 0       |       |
 * Again, you could probably cut out the section that involves it and and it would work just fine - at least, for users who've actually made any contributions to the wiki. Or you could just have it try every username, and figure out some kind of cache (I strongly recommend not hammering their login servers with repeated failed logins). Just be careful; you don't want to run into a userid clash. GreenReaper (talk) 05:40, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Nick Brandt Question
Hi GreenReaper, Can you take a look at what was posted on Nick Brandt's page. I don't understand what he means. Is it really that bad that the article needs to be deleted. Let me know what you think. Thisandthem (talk) 01:08, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * He took another look and removed the tag. Thisandthem (talk) 00:06, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

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Fur and Loathing
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hello. i understand your need to promote wikifur. however, a single sentence mention does not make it notable. there is an essay on this, but WP:GNG states that in general, a single sentence mention in insufficient to establish notability. :) -badmachine 19:42, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
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 * The only coverage that springs to mind is in Sugar (WikiFur), which merely identifies RBW (and ConFuzzled) as furry conventions. Personally, I am not convinced that RBW's article is justified. While it can claim to be the first "real" furry convention in the UK, it never had more than 300 attendees; others mentioned here are over 1000, and we don't have all of them. I think it is an excellent example of a convention which should be mentioned here, but not that prominently. GreenReaper (talk) 04:54, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Talk:List of furry conventions
Can you please respond at Talk:List of furry conventions? No one is going to agree with just allowing any convention in regardless, there has to be some lower limit of verifiability and notability. That's why my proposed "one reliable source discussing a convention" is the baseline of what we're going to get. Silver seren C 20:56, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

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Hi, I wasn't sure if this was something you're "involved with", but the DragonSpires article is probably going to get deleted, and I didn't know if you'd be able to answer anyone's questions on the game/article/etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games#DragonSpires Thanks! 4.154.6.11 (talk) 08:45, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
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The "Wikipedia-Books" item wasn't removed; it was simply relocated from "Further Reading" to "See Also" (q.v.) We probably only need it in one location in that article. —Dajagr (talk) 18:50, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
 * So it was! Thanks for spotting that. GreenReaper (talk) 20:31, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

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Hello there! I don't know how to reply correctly to stuff so I'll put this here and then you can scold me afterwards. Though I do have the definitive source for his middle name and it's straight from his mouth. Here you are sir! I also don't know about the Jr. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0VPvet9biA#t=7204 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexxandere (talk • contribs) 09:28, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
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User:GreenReaper

Welcome! Want general information? Try [//www.greenreaper.co.uk/ my homepage] or WikiFur's page about me. Furry photos? See [//www.flickr.com/photos/greenreaper/sets/ my Flickr sets]. Pictures? Try [//inkbunny.net/GreenReaper Inkbunny]. Professional experience? See my LinkedIn profile, and Phabricator. Questions? Ask, or email.

Wiki activities
I enjoy writing; I have a couple of good articles to my name here, and some more at Wikinews. I also help WikiProject Furry. However, most of my wiki experience has been as founder and administrator of two popular wikis — [//creatures.wikia.com Creatures Wiki] and WikiFur — on which I've spent an inordinate amount of time and made 50,000+ edits. I presented at Wikimania 2006 on the creation and maintenance of such wikis.

Wikinews
I've spent a bit of time at Wikinews - in particular, I penned Furry fans flock to Further Confusion 2007 after attending the convention; it was subsequently selected as a featured article. Later I got a for Anthrocon 2007 draws thousands to Pittsburgh for furry weekend.

Nowadays, what time I have free to spend on journalism is usually spent on furry news and features site [//www.flayrah.com/ Flayrah], which I took over in January 2010 (after three years of [ contributions] to [//www.flayrah.com/category/tags/wikifur-news WikiFur's news section]). It was voted Best Magazine in the Ursa Major Awards for 2011 and 2013, and is in Google News.

Wikibase
In 2019 I became involved with Wikibase, seeing it as WikiFur's solution for semantic data storage. By 2021 I was using [//wbstack.com WBStack] to [//furry.wiki.opencura.com/ prototype WikiFur Data], and [//twitter.com/WikiNorn/status/1374786772018794496 in doing so played] with lexemes, [//addshore.com/2021/05/wbstack-setting-changes-federated-properties-wikidata-entity-mapping-more/ mapped entities], rank-based SPARQL, and the use of Shape Expressions (EntitySchema) for validation and Cradle form-based creation – [//github.com/wbstack/mediawiki/issues/69 incidentally] [//github.com/wbstack/cradle/issues/2#issuecomment-818352157 identifying] [//github.com/wbstack/mediawiki/issues/50 various] [//github.com/wbstack/mediawiki/issues/47#issuecomment-817246495 issues]. I've worked with Wikibase developers identifying concerns around Docker/WDQS security and poking about updates, as well as [//github.com/ProfessionalWiki/WikibaseEdtf/issues/3#issuecomment-827353816 feedback] on [//github.com/ProfessionalWiki/EDTF/issues/70 time intervals] and [//github.com/ProfessionalWiki/EDTF/issues/69 a denial-of-service] with Extended Date/Time Format.

During this period I became involved with the Wikibase Community User Group, responding to support queries and development discussions on Telegram and its mailing list, and attending many meetings. Aware that its affiliate status was [//meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikibase_Community_User_Group&oldid=21772952#Notification_of_User_Group_Expiration_-_Renewal_pending_submission_of_reporting at risk] due to the absence of its founders and non-filed reports, I nominated myself in July 2021 as its primary WMF contact, and was elected with unanimous support. I was interviewed by WMDE on my involvement.

Wikipedia
My main involvement with Wikipedia relates to furry fandom, including:
 * Creating furry convention to head off further creation and deletion of articles about smaller furry cons (featured on Did you know? and became a good article)
 * Spinning off list of furry conventions, which uses painful hacks to shoehorn an additional colspan row into sortable tables
 * Samuel Conway (what happens when I spend a weekend writing a biographical article - now also a good article)
 * Work on WikiProject Furry, including furry fandom, a book version and Portal:Furry (now gone - [//web.archive.org/web/20160410150923/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Furry here's what it looked like])
 * Providing free photographs for many furry topics

Much of my early time on Wikipedia was spent on the expansion and creations of articles related to my past employer. Stardock, Object Desktop, ThinkDesk, GC2: Dread Lords and most of their "children" in Stardock were largely my work as of January 2007. I also wrote most of Elemental: War of Magic and I've edited Impulse.

However, I'm not here just to write about things related to my hobbies or where I work. I've also worked on several failed initiatives - and one ironic success!

 * The addition of Visual Basic .NET to Major programming languages, which was disputed, and resulted in a [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Visual_Basic_.NET&diff=14972893&oldid=14917500 complete rewrite] of the article - after which the template was deleted.
 * Defense of Subarticleof (eventually merged to a similar template and… later deleted - well, I tried! :-)
 * Trying to get deviantART typed properly. It's getting close!
 * Portal:Portal (apparently Wikipedians still have a sense of humour, although further discussion a decade on led to a move to avoid confusion).

Creatures Wiki and WikiFur
I am a [//creatureswiki.net/wiki/User:GreenReaper co-founder] of Creatures Wiki and sole founder of WikiFur. Creatures Wiki (launched at the start of 2005) reached 2000 articles in September 2005, while WikiFur (launched July 2005) reached that level on 30 October 2005. Both wikis were among the top ten Wikicities by database size as of October 2005 (prior to the name change to Wikia). They were also featured on 21 February 2005 and December 2005 respectively. Over 1000 articles were added to WikiFur in the first whole month after it was founded (August 2005); we broke 10,000 on October 7, 2008, and 15,000 on April 3, 2012.

Creatures Wiki was mentioned in a Wall Street Journal article about Wikicities - I still contribute irregularly, though it's now achieved a point of incremental improvement until a new Creatures game comes along. I intend to bring WikiFur to the point where it deserves a Wikipedia article; August 2005 was definitely too soon, but the article created in February 2006 stuck around until its deletion that November. It, too, has been mentioned in the press (e.g. Pittsburgh City Paper and Cracked.com).

Due to changes in the services Wikia wished to provide, WikiFur moved hosts onto [//wikifur.com/ its own server], now hosting over twenty languages, plus [//stats.wikifur.com/ stats] and [//dumps.wikifur.com/ dumps]. This is a further time sink, but it's worth it. We also have a JavaScript-based (and wiki-based) [//en.wikifur.com/FurryConventionMap.html map of furry conventions] that I rewrote to add numerous features and JSON-LD event support.

Wikimania and Wiki-Conferences
I was a speaker at Wikimania 2006, where I gave a presentation on techniques for building, managing and promoting collaborative communities to around 30 people. It seemed well-received and I had a great time there.

I also attended NYC Wiki-Conference 2009, presenting on [//greenreaper.co.uk/panels/StartingAWikiProject.zip starting a WikiProject] (with ClockworkSoul and Invertzoo) and [//greenreaper.co.uk/panels/MakingMediaWikiFly.zip making MediaWiki fly]. I received a real life barnstar, which was a nice end to the weekend.

More recently, I attended Wikimania 2014, including its developer days, and handed out WikiFur & WikiProject Furry flyers. There sure were a lot of us!

In 2021, fellow user group lead Lozana and I were invited to solicit and review proposals and curate the schedule of the Wikibase track of WikidataCon 2021 - together we organised seven hours of presentations by developers and users (18 sessions).

MediaWiki
I've had [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19382 several] [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19392 picky] [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19761 efficiency] [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19849 patches] merged, and submitted a [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15944 few] [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16357 more] [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19576 bugs] that were fixed. Together these changes saved almost 0.5 KB in every MediaWiki page, mostly in the size-critical header. I have commit access, and am responsible for starting Extension:MediaWikiAuth.

Philosophy
I am generally an inclusionist and eventualist; I believe that it is better to have information here than nowhere, though if there is a better place I would suggest moving it. I founded WikiFur because I felt there needed to be a place for the knowledge of the furry fandom. Some things should be here, too, and I'm willing to put effort into that where possible.

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Bandersnatch
This page is in need of repair, being indecisive in the first part as to whether there may be multiple Bandersnatches, and later giving reason to believe that the name refers to a category of beast rather than a specific one. Therefore, the phrase "frumious bandersnatch" either describes all bandersnatches as frumious, or identifies the single member of that group that is frumious; so the final paragraph dedicated to Carroll's bandersnatch is generally misguided. One should not say, "the hero... must shun a Bandersnatch that is frumious," but rather, "the hero must either shun all Bandersnatches (being that they are all fumious), or that Bandersnatch which is frumious." The second sentence of the paragraph in question is nice and appropriate, and should in any case be preserved. The third one isn't bad, either.

 * It is not stated whether there are not, necessarily, non-frumious Bandersnatches, but merely that the hero of the poem must shun a Bandersnatch that is frumious. At the same time, it may be that 'frumious' is not a merely descriptive adjective, but a definitive one, describing the essential quality of the Bandersnatch. It should be noted that a Google search of 'frumious' inevitably brings up 'Bandersnatch', and, conversely, no Bandersnatch can be googled without its frumiousness being mentioned.)

Possible rewrite:

 * It is unclear whether 'frumious' is merely a descriptive adjective, or a definitive one, describing the essential quality of all Bandersnatches. In the former case, the hero need only shun that particular Bandersnatch which is frumious; however, this turn of phrase is ordinarily used in the latter sense, and indicates that all Bandersnatches should be shunned. It should be noted that a Google search of 'frumious' inevitably brings up 'Bandersnatch', and, conversely, no Bandersnatch can be googled without its frumiousness being mentioned.

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Black Elk Peak

Black Elk Peak, formerly known as Harney Peak, is the highest natural point in the U.S. state of South Dakota and the Midwestern United States. It lies in the Black Elk Wilderness area, in southern Pennington County, in the Black Hills National Forest. The peak lies 3.7 mi west-southwest of Mount Rushmore. At 7244 ft, it is the highest summit in the United States east of the Rocky Mountains. Though part of the North American Cordillera, it is generally considered to be geologically separate from the Rocky Mountains.

It is also known as Hiŋháŋ Káǧa ('owl-maker' in Lakota) and Heȟáka Sápa ('elk black').

The U.S. Board on Geographic Names, which has jurisdiction in federal lands, officially changed the mountain's name from Harney Peak to Black Elk Peak on August 11, 2016, honoring Black Elk, the noted Lakota Sioux medicine man and Catholic Servant of God for whom the Wilderness Area is named.

In September 2016, a team of professional surveyors obtained precise GNSS data over the course of two days and found the highest natural rock to be at 7231.32 ft NAVD88 and a nearby secondary peak located approximately 300 feet south of the lookout tower and unofficially named "McGillicuddy's Peak", to be slightly lower at 7229.41 ft NAVD88. This is believed to be the only precise survey that has been made to determine the true elevation of this peak.

The peak's fire lookout tower and the staircase leading to it, as well as a nearby dam and pumphouse, were listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1983.

Name
This peak was called Hiŋháŋ Káǧa, or, "Owl maker," after rock formations that look like owls (and the association of owls with impending death by the Lakota Sioux). They dominated this region and inhabited the territory at the time of European colonization. They considered it a sacred site within the Black Hills, which they call Pahá Sápa and Ȟé Sápa.

The mountain was named Harney Peak in 1855 by American Lieutenant Gouverneur K. Warren in honor of US General William S. Harney, his commander in a regional military expedition. In punitive retaliation for other Sioux raids, in September 1855 Harney's forces killed Brulé Sioux warriors, women and children in what Americans called the Battle of Blue Water Creek in Garden County, Nebraska.

Harney later commanded the United States military in the Black Hills area in the late 1870s. The Lakota had tried to get the name of the peak changed for 50 years, as Harney had massacred their people.

In 2014 the Sioux renewed their effort to get the name changed, in an effort led by Basil Brave Heart of the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. A Korean War veteran, he felt that Harney had not honored the military with his action.

Some Lakota requested state officials in 2015 to reinstate their original name for the peak. The Lakota Council of the Pine Ridge Reservation and descendants of Black Elk, a noted medicine man, supported naming it for him, as the national wilderness area around the peak is named for the shaman. He became known beyond the Lakota in part through the book Black Elk Speaks (1932), written by John G. Neihardt from long talks with the shaman. South Dakota Governor Dennis Daugaard opposed the name change, as did other state officials, and no action was taken in 2015.

The U.S. Board on Geographic Names officially changed the mountain's name from "Harney Peak" to "Black Elk Peak" on August 11, 2016, by a unanimous vote of 12–0, with one abstention. On August 18, 2016, Gov. Daugaard announced that the state would accept the new name.

History
Black Elk Peak and the Black Hills were located within the Great Sioux Reservation established by the United States government in the Treaty of Fort Laramie in 1868; it covered most of the territory west of the Missouri River in South Dakota (the area now called West River). American settlement was concentrated east of the river, where there was more water for farming.

The first American settlers believed to have reached the summit were a party led by General George Armstrong Custer in 1874, during the Black Hills expedition. The federal government took back the Black Hills and another strip of land in a new treaty in 1877. More than a decade later, it broke up the Great Sioux Reservation in 1889 into five smaller reservations, the same year that North Dakota and South Dakota were admitted as states to the Union. The government made some nine million acres of former Lakota land available for purchase for ranching and homesteading. Most American settlement in West River did not start until the early 20th century. The area attracted many European immigrants as well as settlers from the East.

Black Elk Peak is the site where Black Elk (Lakota Sioux) received his "Great Vision" when nine years old. He later became a medicine man known for his wisdom. Late in life, he returned to the peak accompanied by writer John Neihardt. Black Elk was sharing much of his life and philosophy with Neihardt through long talks translated by his son. Neihardt tried to express the medicine man's wisdom in his book Black Elk Speaks (1932).

Neihardt recorded Black Elk's words about his vision as follows:

"'I was standing on the highest mountain of them all, and round about beneath me was the whole hoop of the world,' he is quoted as saying. 'And while I stood there I saw more than I can tell and I understood more than I saw; for I was seeing in a sacred manner the shapes of all things in the spirit, and the shape of all shapes as they must live together like one being.'"

New York mining promoter James Wilson organized the Harney Peak Tin Company around 1884 or 1885. The Harney Peak Tin Company did not actually mine any tin, and was liquidated by court order in the 1890s, losing investors almost $3 million (equivalent to approximately $ million in ) in the largest fraud scandal in Black Hills mining history.

American settlers used Black Elk Peak as a fire lookout tower in 1911, with a wood crate placed at the summit for a seat. In 1920, a 12'x12' wood structure was built, and it was expanded to 16'x16' the following year. The federal Civilian Conservation Corps enlisted local men and completed construction of a stone fire tower in 1938, one of numerous projects in the state during the Great Depression. The Harney Peak fire tower was last staffed in 1967.

A United States post office was operated at Black Elk Peak from 1936 until 1942, and again from 1945 until 1946. The Harney Peak post office was reportedly one of the "most elevated post offices in the United States".

A manmade dam was also created on the peak in 1935. This concrete reservoir holds 5000 gal of water; a pumphouse was added in 1938. In 1982, the lookout tower and its stairway, dam, and pumphouse were nominated by the USDA Forest Service for inclusion in the National Register of Historic Places. The Forest Service cited the site's cultural, recreational, and architectural significance to South Dakota. On March 10, 1983, the site was officially added to the register.

Hiking
The summit can be reached from Sylvan Lake, Camp Remington, Highway 244, Palmer Creek Rd., Mount Rushmore, or Horse Thief Lake. From the trailhead at Sylvan Lake in Custer State Park, to the summit and back is about 7 mi. This is the shortest, least strenuous, and most popular route. No permit is required for use of the trail. However, A South Dakota State Parks pass is required to access the Sylvan Lake trailhead.

An old stone tower, once used as a fire lookout tower, is located at the summit. The ashes of Valentine McGillycuddy were interred near the base of the tower and a plaque reads, "Valentine McGillycuddy, Wasicu Wakan." Wasicu Wakan is Lakota for "Holy White Man."

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Highest east of Rockies...
I made more accurate and precise the statement about "highest east of the Rockies." It takes so much explanation to make this true, I wonder if it isn't best just to drop it. Also, some people wonder about Guadalupe Peak in this context. Well, it isn't due east of any point in the Rockies (it's way south of the southern tip of the Rockies near Santa Fe, New Mexico) and its longitude is not any more east than the extreme eastern bits of the Rockies in southern Colorado and northern New Mexico. So it isn't east of the Rockies in any reasonable sense. -- Spireguy 03:26, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

There are several peaks in the Big Bend region of Texas that are higher than Harney Peak, as well as being farther east. They are all on "mainland North America". I'm a big fan of the Black Hills, and have often repeated this false statement, even altering it to "highest peak east of the Rockies in the United States" but this is also unfortunately false given the aforementioned mountains in Texas. I would be an advocate of dropping the statement altogether. Harney Peak is the highest peak in South Dakota, period. (Unless you wanted to say "highest peak east of the Rockies and outside of Texas in mainland North America" - but you have to add three caveats to make this true!) Blake of the Bluffs 05:19, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I would like to note that the Big Bend region is south east of the Rocky Mountains. The Rocky Mountain range ends in northern New Mexico. -- Feral Duck 16:05, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

There are also numerous peaks in northern New Mexico and southern Colorado that are higher than Harney as well as directly east of the Rockies. The highest peak directly east of the Rockies and in the U.S. should be Fishers Peak in Colorado, which is part of the volcanic region known as the Raton Mesa. Fishers Peak is nearly 10,000 feet high. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Myers333 (talk • contribs) 11:52, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Emory Peak in the Chisos Mountains (which are not reasonably part of the Rockies) is actually farther east! OK, it's southeast of the Rockies but that still counts. I think this statement should either be simply removed or qualified. Vultur~enwiki (talk) 14:19, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

retitling name section
I think it would be better to retitle the section into “name” rather than leaving in its original name as it’s more logical to do so.

Requested move 11 August 2016

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move already happened. If disputed, no qualms for a separate RM (non-admin closure) — Andy W.  ( talk  · ctb) 18:12, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Harney Peak → Black Elk Peak – The name of this mountain was changed by decision of the U.S. Board on Geographic Names on August 11, 2016. Acciavatti (talk) 00:30, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd go with Hinhan Kaga, the original Lakota name. But Black Elk-Harney Peak would be my second choice, in honor of the spiritual events which occur there (in Black Elks vision he saw a unity of all living things and all people, so a duo name on Wikipedia would do his vision justice). Randy Kryn 1:23, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Or why not mix all three, something like Hinhan Kaga: Black Elk-Harney Peak. Seems a fair way to go, with all the hubbub about naming rights. Randy Kryn 19:16, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Just noticed the interesting spin to the title, if you put an 's' in front of, as well as in back of, 'Peak', you get the name of the book Black Elk SPeaks. 19:50, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Procedural comment: The move as suggested has already been carried out. — Andy W.  ( talk  · ctb) 23:25, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Since the name has been officially changed by the US Board on Geographic Names, let's respect that in this article. Someone changed the name back in the Lede to Harney Peak, and I'm going to revert it to the new name, with explanation of change. Let's be adult here.Parkwells (talk) 12:28, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The Lead of the article should reflect the official name first. The US Board on Geographic Names has jurisdiction over federal lands. It's not up to editors here to decide they want to do something different.Parkwells (talk) 18:39, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

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