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Shalom Fintor
Shalom Fintor, I am a Jew from Spain, I have been working in the article "list of yeshivas" for many time , I just wanted to make a list of the yeshivot and hebrew schools worlwide, that's why I add so many links, I dint want to write an article about the yeshivas, because this article already exist , I just wanted to make a list. Please do not erase my links, Shalom and many blessings to you.

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613 mitzvot typo?
In the article 613 mitzvot, in the list of enumirators,  some of the books are listed in red and some in blue. Any significance? Phil burnstein (talk) 22:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Idea for Talmud articles
Hi Fintor: I am reposting the following request from User on my user talk page for wider notification:

 * I was thinking of trying to stimulate development of a series of articles on Gemara concepts and doctrines, maybe to help children or newcomers to Gemara with explanations of some fundamental concepts that recur throughout the Gemara. Some examples might be articles on Yiush, Chazakah, Ta'aninun (as in "Ta'aninun L'Yoresh"), Eidim Zomemin (forgive my awful transliterations), Migu, etc., etc. Maybe we could even create a category or subcategory for it. I created Breira in this vein. As I don't have the experience or expertise in Wikipedia to know what to do to best develop this idea, I figured I'd come to you for your opinions on: (1) whether it's a good idea; and (2) How to best go about implementing it. Thanks Sh76us (talk) 15:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Centralized discussion at: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism. Thank you. IZAK (talk) 03:32, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

SR Hirsch
Hey there, Fintor. Today I was fixing the referencing on Samson Raphael Hirsch and thought that the article is actually in a fairly reasonable state. Wouldn't it be nice, given our collective hard work on this article in the past, if we could improve it to the level of good article? All that is presently needed is a slightly better handle on the matter of his philosophical legacy, which is partially cited and perhaps a bit WP:NOR (although I agree with the basic premise that there are three views). JFW | T@lk  22:27, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Paul Wilmott
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Thanks
for creating the article Finite difference methods for option pricing! Really nice! Ulner (talk) 12:40, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

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Secant method - Introduction
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Photo request - South African Airways head office
Are you in proximity to OR Tambo Airport? South African Airways needs a photo of its head office. This Google Maps View shows where the building is and what it looks like. Would you mind photographing the building? Thank you WhisperToMe (talk) 07:13, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
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Rabbinical College of America
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using the minor tag
Fintor, in case you didn't see the message on my talk page, you need to stop using the minor tag on every edit. It shouldn't be used if you are adding or removing content. See WP:MINOR; it's possible you have it enabled in your preferences. Combined with not using an edit summary, it makes your edits get buried in some watchlists and history, which isn't good for any controversial edits. BTW, you can reply here instead of my talk page. tedder (talk) 01:57, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

OK. Thanks for the pointer, and once again apologies. BTW, I would like to restore the CCU content, obviously as appropriately edited. Fintor (talk) 07:40, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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I saw that you added to the article several years ago this paragraph (I'm quoting the way it is now): "To determine a ruling, Ganzfried based his decisions on three halakhic authorities: Rabbi Yaakov Lorberbaum; Rabbi Shneur Zalman of Liadi, the first rebbe of Chabad Lubavitch, author of the Shulchan Aruch HaRav; and Rabbi Abraham Danzig, author of Chayei Adam and Chochmat Adam. In cases of disagreement he adopted the majority view."

I was just wondering, is there a source for that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mpg613 (talk • contribs) 03:13, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

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Re: Financial Economics review
Just had a chance to review Fin econ per above post 6 months ago. What a tremendous effort and to such good effect. In that time, article size has doubled, and number of hits per month is up by about 2/3. That's amazing. Moreover, the increase content from your major edits is remarkable, and your minor edits that you care about the small stuff stuff as well.

I would not expect you to do it, because you can rest on your well-earned and hard-won laurels, but anyone interested in the subject might replace the JEL sidebar for Fin econ with a new section that links the JEL the 2ndary & tertiary codes to their respective subjects, such as The New Palgrave JEL-abstract links Industrial organization. Maybe you could urge others to others do it. You certainly have the clout for that. Peace and other best wishes. --Thomasmeeks (talk) 15:51, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

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Gróa

In Norse mythology, Gróa (possibly from Old Norse "growing" ) is a völva (seeress) and practitioner of seiðr. She is the wife of Aurvandil the Bold. Groa was also the goddess of knowledge.

Prose Edda
Gróa appears in the Prose Edda book Skáldskaparmál, in the context of Thor's battle with the jötunn Hrungnir. After Thor has dispatched Hrungnir with the hammer Mjollnir, Gróa is asked to help magically remove shards of Hrungnir's whetstone which became embedded in Thor's head. Unfortunately while Gróa was about her work, Thor distracted her by telling her of how he had earlier helped Aurvandil cross the river Élivágar, and had saved her husband's life by snapping off his frost-bitten toe. Gróa's spell miscarried and the pieces of whetstone remained permanently embedded in Thor's head.

Poetic Edda
Gróa is also a völva (or seeress), summoned from beyond the grave, in the Old Norse poem Grógaldr, (a section of Svipdagsmál), by her son Svipdagr. In death she has lost none of her prophetic powers, and is able to assist him in a successful conclusion of the task which he has been set by his cruel stepmother. It is possible that this second Gróa is the same as the first one, but the poem is a late 17th-century imitation of the Edda.

Gesta Danorum
In Gesta Danorum, Gro is a woman saved from marrying a giant by King Gram. In Viktor Rydberg's elaborate theories on Norse mythology this Gro, too, is the same.

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VNET is an international computer networking system deployed in the mid-1970s and still in current, but highly diminished use. It was developed inside IBM and provided the main email and file-transfer backbone for the company throughout the 1980s and 1990s. Through it, a number of protocols were developed to deliver email amongst time sharing computers over alternative transmission systems.

VNET was first deployed as a private host to host network among CP/67 and VM/370 mainframes beginning before 1975. It was based on RSCS, a virtual machine–based communications program and an inter machine protocol developed in IBM's Advanced Systems Development Division's Remote Service System (RSS) prototype which produced some of the technology in the IBM Tivoli product. RSCS used the Binary Synchronous Communications (BSC) protocol, not SNA/SDLC, to support file to file transfer among virtual machine users. The first several nodes included Scientific Centers and Poughkeepsie, New York lab sites.

RSCS-compatible communications code was subsequently developed for MVT/HASP, MVT/ASP and MVS mainframe operating systems. By September 1979, the network had grown to include 285 mainframe nodes in Europe, Asia, and North America. Unlike the Internet, VNET switched files among mainframes using a store and forward technique. Many of the early connections operated over dial-up phone lines at speeds of 1200 to 2400 bits per second. The addition of a 19.2 kbit/s trans-Atlantic satellite circuit in late 1977 was considered a major step forward.

End users typically sent files between 100 and 100,000 bytes in length. The user could expect delivery within one minute to several hours. File delivery was acknowledged on a hop by hop basis but there was no end to end delivery confirmation. However, by the late 1970s an email application was developed that provided delivery confirmation as well as message archiving. What began as a research activity among engineers and scientists became, by 1980, a valuable business asset for many organizations within IBM.

The first widely disruptive computer worm, "Christmas Tree EXEC" in December 1987, originated on BITNET and spread to this network.

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Pavlov's House

Pavlov's House (дом Павлова tr. Dom Pavlova) was an apartment building converted into a fortified position, which Red Army defenders held for around 60 days against the Wehrmacht offensive during the Battle of Stalingrad. The siege lasted from 27 September to 25 November 1942 and eventually the Red Army managed to relieve it from the siege.

It gained its popular name from Sergeant Yakov Pavlov, who commanded the platoon that seized the building and defended it during the long battle.

The importance of the building has been contested. The fame of the building might be due to the fact that it was not at the center of the October fighting, which had shifted to the north of Stalingrad. This allowed journalists to visit Pavlov's house more easily than buildings nearer the main German assaults. The first article about "Pavlov's House" appeared on 31 October 1942.

Siege
The house was a four-story building in the center of Stalingrad, built perpendicular to the embankment of the river Volga and overseeing the "9th January Square", a large square named for Bloody Sunday. In late September 1942, between 30 and 50 soldiers of the 42nd Guards Regiment, 13th Guards Rifle Division secured the large apartment blocks from German control, following its recapture by four soldiers four days beforehand, which Yakov Pavlov led.

The position was quickly fortified under the command of Lieutenant Ivan F. Afanasiev, who ordered the men to lay landmines in all approaches to the square, barbed wire around the perimeter of the apartment block, and to position multiple machine guns in the windows as well as a PTRS anti tank rifle. The Soviets also had large amounts of artillery support from the opposite side of the Volga. Supply and communication trenches were created leading from the rear of Pavlov's House to the river bank of the Volga, which received supply from supply vessels which were often shelled by German artillery when crossing the river.

The strategic benefit of the house was that it defended a key section of the Volga bank. The tactical benefit of the house was its position on a cross-street, giving the defenders a 1 km line of sight to the north, south and west. After several days, reinforcements and resupply arrived for Pavlov's men, bringing the unit up to a 25-man understrength platoon and equipping the defenders with machine guns, anti-tank rifles, and mortars.

In keeping with Stalin's Order No. 227—"not one step back"—Sergeant Pavlov was ordered to fortify the building and defend it to the last bullet and the last man. Taking this advice to heart, Pavlov ordered the building to be surrounded with four layers of barbed wire and landmines, and set up machine-gun posts in every available window facing the square. In the early stages of the defense, Pavlov discovered that an anti-tank rifle—a PTRS-41—he had mounted on the roof was particularly effective when used to ambush unsuspecting German tanks. Once the tanks had approached to within range of the weapon, their thin turret-roof armor was exposed to AT rifle fire from above, and they were unable to elevate their weapons enough to retaliate.

For better internal communication, Pavlov's soldiers breached the walls in the basement and upper floors, and dug a communications trench to Soviet positions outside. Supplies were brought in via the trench or by boats crossing the river, defying German air raids and shelling. Nevertheless, food and especially water was in short supply. Lacking beds, the soldiers tried to sleep on insulation wool torn off pipes but were subjected to harassing fire every night in order to try to break their resistance.

The Germans attacked the building several times a day. Each time German infantry or tanks tried to cross the square and to close in on the house, Pavlov's men laid down a withering barrage of machine gun and AT rifle fire from the basement, the windows and the roof. The defenders, as well as the civilians hiding in the basement, were eventually relieved by counter-attacking Soviet forces after holding out from 27 September to 25 November 1942.

It has been argued that whilst the house was heavily fortified, there were limited assaults against it. It was amongst the first buildings in Stalingrad to be restored after the war, having received comparatively limited damage. German archives do not support the claim for heavy fighting for the building, and Soviet military archives attach no particular importance to the house as a defensive structure. While the building was originally captured by Pavlov, the commander of the position was Lieutenant Afanasiev. The garrison was disbanded on the night of November 24, with troops returning to their original units. These units were then sent on the offensive with Pavlov and Afansiev. Many members of the house's garrison were killed and wounded while assaulting the German held "Milk House" on 26 November 1942.

Uncertainty on dates
Sources conflict on the date at which the siege began, and the date at which the Soviet reinforcements reached the building and lifted the siege.

"[...] the defenders of Pavlov's House who participated in it's [sic] defense from 26 September 1942 till 25 November 1942." (60 days)

"One of the most famous episodes of the Stalingrad battle was the defence of 'Pavlov's house', which lasted for fifty-eight days."

Symbolic meaning
Pavlov's House became a symbol of the stubborn and dogged resistance of the Soviet forces during the Battle of Stalingrad, which eventually ended in a decisive victory for the Soviet forces after months of fighting and heavy casualties on both sides. The inability of the German blitzkrieg to make headway against such grinding and self-sacrificial attrition warfare made the failure to capture Pavlov's House, despite numerous attempts, stand out as a symbol of resistance against a supposedly superior force.

Vasily Chuikov, commanding general of the Soviet forces in Stalingrad, later joked that the Germans lost more men trying to take Pavlov's House than they did taking Paris.

Pavlov's "House" was rebuilt after the battle and is used as an apartment building today. There is an attached memorial constructed from bricks picked up after the battle on the East side facing the Volga.

Pavlov was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union for his actions.

Recent reporting
A Russian TV documentary in 2009, Legendary Redoubt, (Легендарный редут) on the Russian Channel One reported on Pavlov's House.

The last member of Pavlov's group, Kamoljon Turgunov from Turakurgan District, Namangan Region, Uzbekistan died on 16 March 2015, aged 93.

After the war Pavlov communicated little with his ex-comrades, with many of them bewildered by his fame and in disagreement with the story that had been built around Pavlov. In 1985 a memorial was erected, listing the names of the garrison.

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Uh...why does this list give the impression of being a list of albums instead of songs? Johnleemk 10:34, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Because it is? Aliter 23:36, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * I think the point Johnleemk was trying to make is that the title gives the impression that the article contains a list of songs by The Beatles and not a list of their albums. I also thought the same thing until I saw the actual content. RedWolf 17:23, Sep 3, 2004 (UTC)

 * Yes, I know. I was just giving him a quick vote of support. I didn't change things myself since I'm not sure either would serve a purpose. Aliter 19:07, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * This article is deprecated by categories anyways. RedWolf 17:23, Sep 3, 2004 (UTC)

 * I have just moved the page to a more appropriate title. As I said above though, this page is redundant. RedWolf 17:27, Sep 3, 2004 (UTC)

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Talk:Pavlov's House

Got a question
Yes I know this isn't really the place to be asking questions about the event, but there isn't really anywhere else on the internet that I could ask... Why didn't the Germans fly bomber planes over Pavlov's house and destroy it? I'm sure there is a very good reason they didn't, but I haven't been able to find this out anywhere. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.101.68.218 (talk) 07:07, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

They didn't fly bombers over his house because back then getting with in 600 ft of your target was good bombing so if they did bomb there was a good chance they could hit german military forces and kill there own men.

Furthermore, why not 1: just blow it to hell with your tanks' 90MM cannons? 2: Blow it to hell using mortars? 3: Set up copious amounts of smoke so that you could advance safely? 4: Surround the house, cut them off, starving the occupants? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.126.7.68 (talk) 10:03, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

1) The German tanks would have been great targets for the sowjet artillery (i think it is save to assume that Pavlovs House was able to communicate target information back to their own forces), 2) counterbattery fire, 3) counter-battery fire (as for 2 and 3: could also be availibility of artillery resources) and 4) for that you would have to clear not Pavlovs House but every house with a field of fire on the place and secure these. The Manpower expenditure would have been immense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.94.184.142 (talk) 14:57, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Pavlov's House was only 2 city blocks from the banks of the Volga. It was a strongpoint on a defensive line, not an isolated outpost, so there was no way to surround it without breaching the line elsewhere. It had an excellent and wide field of view over the square the Germans had to approach from, too much space for smoke grenades to conceal.

As for bombers, a Stuka or two could have done the job, but the Luftwaffe was suffering heavy losses and couldn't really spend enough time over the city for such pinpoint bombing. Their he-111's wouldn't risk flying low enough to hit them either. He-111's were sitting ducks when attacked by fighters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.170.67.132 (talk) 16:34, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

 * It was not a priority target for the Germans. You must remember that there were many other apartment houses throughout this large city occupied by Soviet soldiers with orders to never retreat under penalty of death. German command felt that aerial attacks that target barges filled with hundreds of Russian troops is more prudent than trying to attack a shell of a house with a dozen half-starved soldiers inside. Also you must remember that the city was in ruins. It was not easy to identify one burned out house from another. Meishern (talk) 15:03, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Pavlov is not cmander of platoon, it was lieutenant Afanasiev, Pavlov is just a myth of our propaganda. No he was a one of house defenders, but he is not comander of platoon. My english is very bad, but i think your understand this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.118.83.113 (talk) 17:53, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

logged off
I got logged off while writing. --Kolt 10:40, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

Almost got a picture
As someone requested for picture here, I tried to find a public domain one. I failed, although I was very close. Namely: I found an image in the book published in the USSR in 1975, which is available online. However, the template PD-USSR is suitable only for images published prior to 1973. :- ( Cmapm 01:17, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Exaggeration?
''Each time German infantry or tanks tried to cross the square and to close in on the house, Pavlov's men took them under heavy fire from within the basement, from the windows and from the roof top. Leaving behind a square covered with burnt corpses and steel, the Germans had to retreat again.''

Isn't this a bit too melodramatic?

 * No it's not. Otherwise it would have been just like any other skirmish of the war that is unknown today.

 * I think the last sentence is a bit melodramatic, and unfitting for this article. Ravage. 8.mai. 2006

 * This whole article is too dramatic —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.165.228.106 (talk) 23:03, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, heaven forbid a Wikipedia article portraying the Red Army in any way near heroic instead of the Wehrmacht taking this spot. The andf (talk) 21:39, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

 * exagerrtion yes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.191.14 (talk) 17:48, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Dramatization
Are these mentions of computer games at all relevant? They could be construed as valid cultural references but look so absurd and unfitting sitting there under history which makes part of one of the most tragic events of the 20th century.

Yes yes I know "gaming IS culture", but can gamers please try for a second not to think about how this event pertains to their wrist reflex training activities but try to imagine the scale of actual real life suffering?

 * Does 'Saving Private Ryan' bear mention for its depiction of the Omaha landings? It's possible for a game to represent an event just as a movie does; why is an action movie any more appropriate than an action game? It's not just this page that mentions games, they're mentioned alongside movies on the pages of many major battles. I think it is rather inaccurate to imply that gamers are unable to appreciate the gravity of war any more than someone who watches a movie or reads a book on war. In all of these cases isn't it true that the person knows more about the event afterwards than they did before?

sorry my fault - i got the picture wrong and thought it was the mill...sorry.

--I think the general rule is that movies and games are "pop culture" and as such don't really belong in an article that is not about pop culture. Also the last citation in particular is not accurate and does contain humor (crop circles etc). —Preceding unsigned comment added by BeBoldInEdits (talk • contribs) 06:47, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

 * The problem is soon as you delete it, it gets added back by someone else. There are millions of game playing people who run to Wikipedia to make sure the scenario they just played is mentioned. It's a tidal wave of pop that is futile to resist. It's interesting, however, that Pvalov's House is also in many traditional wargames (of the paper variety), but you don't see them mentioned. As well as novels and other forms of pop culture. Again, no mention. Only the video games. In 20 years time this will pass as the video game generation ages out and the games are forgotten. Until then, resistance is futile. Green Cardamom (talk) 19:54, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

 * No particular opinion on whether the video game references belong--I guess I would lean towards not, but with the article in its current state, they aren't the biggest issue. I did want to express admiration for your undoubtedly to-be-proven correct prophecy about the faddish transience of video games. Why, in twenty years, perhaps these kids will get over their "talkies" too, and we can return to God's intended light pastime: the admiring contemplation of handsome daguerreotypes. SS451 (talk) 10:08, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

i get real bad douche chills reading this exchange — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.245.228.189 (talk) 22:16, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, in any case the Dramatization section has been entirely removed, which I very much agree with. Gomedog (talk) 17:27, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Chuikov comment
He said that Germans lost more man than they were lost in the "battle" for Paris (not the liberation). rebuke to the French military command virtually surrender without a fight

 * Somebody changed this comment to read "Battle of Verdun". I editted back to "fall of Paris", because even though the statement is uncited either way, if Chuikov said that the Germans lost more men to Pavlov than at the Battle of Verdun, it is merely a facetious exaggeration that does not warrant inclusion in an encyclopedia. On the other hand, if he said that the Germans lost more men to Pavlov than they did in the fall of Paris, that statement may actually be accurate, and furthermore does contrast the scale of the conflict in a very interesting and succinct manner. - Aprogressivist (talk) 14:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I do not see why this comment about 'Battle of Verdun', if true, does not provide an interesting information about the realations with France and the selfpotrait of the Sowjets. As for the 'accuracy': Accuracy is not a point that comes up when you say something pathetic and selfserving as this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.94.184.142 (talk) 14:51, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

DID CHILDREN DAIYED? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.230.88.2 (talk) 04:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

here ya go folks, a reference with the exact quote. If you don't speak Russki, that's it below.

http://www.volfoto.ru/volgograd/ploschad_lenina/dom_pavlova/

«Эта небольшая группа, – отмечал В. И. Чуйков, – обороняя один дом, уничтожила вражеских солдат больше, чем гитлеровцы потеряли при взятии Парижа».

Ain't no Battle of Verdun about it. As literally as possible, it's "destroyed more enemy soldiers than the Hitlerites killed before taking Paris." "Before" in the context probably refers to the fall of Paris, not the whole war up to that point.
 * Where did you even get "before" in there? Google translate? It actually says "this little group, while defending one house, has destroyed more of the enemy's soldiers than "hitlerites" lost in/while capturing Paris" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.3.179.107 (talk) 22:46, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

If anything else needs referencing, the Википедия has got much more detailed Дом Павлова article and it's probably already there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.170.67.132 (talk) 16:25, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Chuikov was talking about the Capture of Paris in 1940. The Red Army had a policy of constantly shaming the UK and France for their defeat in the Phony War, and UK/US for not opening a Second Front in Europe. Chuikov, who wanted to reward his men who heroically defended Pavlov's House, made that comment about 1940, not Verdun. I've read his biography, and from there, it's really clear that he meant what happened in 1940, because the Liberation of Paris hasn't happened when the comment was made. 71.165.41.100 (talk) 02:34, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008
Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 18:09, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Tank Confusion
Article states "once the tanks had approached to within 25 meters of the building, their thin turret-roof armor became exposed to AT rifle fire from above...Pavlov reportedly personally destroyed nearly a dozen tanks using this tactic."

So if Pavlov destroyed 10 tanks and his troops destroyed some more, what did the outside street look like? A parking-lot of burned out tanks? I have a hard time picturing a street with 20-30 tanks littering it and even a harder time imagining new tanks attempting to drive in such an area. German tank driver says "Sargent Fritz, I see 30 burned out tanks in front of us blocking the street, what shall I do?" - Answer??? Meishern (talk) 15:18, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

 * Fair point, though on the other hand if that was true then wouldn't that have happened in lots of places, so perhaps not have been so surprising? My guess is that at night or during a lull one or either side moved them away as to reopen firing lines. But then again I can't really imagine what it was like in Stalingrad in 1942 from London in 2010, so I may be wrong. Prokhorovka ([[User

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- Tanks & Infantry at Pavlov's House (and ATR stuff):

The 24.Pz Div, part of the XXXXVIII. Panzerkorps had at that time had a shortage of tanks ( due to lack of spare parts) roughly a dozen tanks still in working order and the whole Korps not more than 50, therefore all tanks where melted together in a Task Force/Kampfgruppe. The 24.PzDiv which would have engaged the 13. Guards Division in this district makes no mention of "pavlov's house" nor is it reflected in the daily loss reports. It is therefore not likely that many more people than anywhere else in the area were lost trying to take "Pavlov's House". How vehicles were actually lost is also unclear but most likely few if any or it would show up in the daily loss reports.

The description of Pavlov's men trying to depress and move a 20.3 kg (46 lbs) 2100 mm (83 in)PTRS to hit the roofs of vehicles seems far fetched. Also the inclination ability of German tank guns is actually excellent on all their (and even foreign) tank designs its (depression where designers usually mess up) making the whole thing seem suspect. Assuming you can somehow prop up this unwieldy & heavy PTRD rifle on something and aim at the roof armor of a vehicle the angle of impact would be quite steep in essence its like hitting a piece of highly sloped armor, penetration is highly doubtful. I do not believe they issued the "APCR" bullet by this point either. Also exactly how are you achieving these hits? Standing up to get a better depression from the rifle braced on a railing or window... the tank would kill you. There is some embellishment/propaganda here and it would be interesting to get a clearer picture of the whole affair.

-April 17th, 2017
 * It doesn't seem far-fetched to me. Soldiers did move and depress these weapons, so why is Pavlov's House particularly suspect? I don't know whether Panzer gun elevation angles were as you say (a quick googling was inconclusive, maybe you had better luck?). Maybe they were but the terrain prevented them from maneuvering the tanks in the best position, with all the rubble and under heavy shelling. I agree a degree of propaganda from the Russians was likely involved, and a healthy dose of skepticism is welcome -- thankfully a more clear picture of the war has emerged once historians stopped believing *only* in German sources, which tend to exaggerate their efforts and downplay Soviet victories. As it is, Wikipedia is not the place for original research anyway; if reliable Soviet sources said it happened like this, this is what the article must state. The andf (talk) 21:56, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Building attacked every day
There are a lot of Russian language sources claiming this. This building was at the major crossroad to the river, so to assume this avenue was left alone by the Germans is unrealistic. All the adjacent houses had Russian army as well, so reaching the house was not easy. It was a difficult house to bomb by air because the whole city was in ruins, and picking out one ruin while dodging fire never worked out. Meishern (talk) 02:42, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Stalingrad: How the Red Army Triumphed
Could I suggest a revision of this article using information found in Michael K. Jones' book Stalingrad: How the Red Army Triumphed which dispels some of the long-standing myths surrounding Pavlov's House. The book provides some of the only new info on this particular aspect of the battle in a long time with about 17 pages dedicated to the subject and testimony from survivors of the building's garrison. LordCraigus (talk) 21:15, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Sure yeah great idea. This article reads like myth. It should be written like "so so scholar said X" or "such and such soldier reported .." or "It's long been reported that.. but XYZ has since found .." Green Cardamom (talk) 19:58, 24 December 2011 (UTC)маму ебал

 * A lot of this article appears to be mythical, see: https://warspot.net/312-unknown-stalingrad-pavlov-s-house-anatomy-of-a-legend Pluke (talk) 13:31, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Citation For Attack Everyday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyQ3sRU9pbc#t=7m35s —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sioux90 (talk • contribs) 04:39, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

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