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Talk:Land of Hope and Glory

On May 17,2024 the Argentine Colegio Militar de la Nacion ( Argentine Sandhurst ) held the reception parade of new entries, during which a ceremonial short sword is presented by a relevant next of kin to each cadet. At this stage of the ceremony, and nobody knows why, the bandmaster chose to play "Land of Hope and Glory ". The new entries are some 300 and they parade to the sword reception position in groups of aproximately 20. As a result the melody was played several times.

England's national anthem
You say that England does not have a national anthem of its own?!? You obviously don't live in England! - 217.206.168.163

 * From what I was aware, being an Englishman myself, England doesnt have a national anthem, as "God Save The Queen" is the UK's as a whole. Of course I could be wrong TR_Wolf

 * Wikipedia is not the place for primary source material. Please see: Talk:God Save the Queen. Iota 18:14, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

United Kingdom = England Wales Scotland Northern Ireland. None of the constituent parts have a national anthem. They do have distinct histories (up to the Unions), different flags, different patron Saints, different symbols and different accents. - 83.177.204.13

 * From what I was aware, the UK's national anthem is God Save The Queen, and Wales, Scotland and Ireland (talking as a whole here) have their own national anthems, but England doesnt. Scotland's is "Scotland The Brave", probably the most easily identified national anthem, Ireland's is "The Soldier's Song" (or "Amhrán na bhFiann"), and Wales' is "Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau", so yes they do have their own national anthems, England does use "Land of Hope and Glory" as their anthem at the Commonweatlh Games etc, and Im pleased with that... it rules ;) TR_Wolf

 * Like England, Scotland does not have a separate anthem, nor does Northern Ireland. Wales is the only part of the UK to have its own. - 81.179.190.253

 * That last post is correct; within the UK, the only de jure (legally enshrined) national anthems are God Save The Queen (British) and Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau (Welsh). England, Scotland and Northern Ireland are free to use whatever song they please. I've edited the article to help reflect this - 82.16.1.141 (talk) 22:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Support previous two posts .England does not even have Continuity in the anthem used, there is certainly no official English Anthem. ARBAY   TALKies  22:25, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Pomp and Circumstance
The most extraordinary..or perhaps typical..thing about this wiki article which is after all from an American organisation...is that it is all about Britain..there are even some references to British football clubs etc etc! What is completely ignored,except for the casual mention that in America it is "seldom heard outside of graduation ceremonies" is that fact that ,because of this it must be one of the most famous tunes in America,and heard far far more often than in Britain where its only heard once a year at the end of the London promenade concerts... Every American student graduates with the sound of Elgars music ringing in their ears... Its typical of Wikis ceaseless attempts to downplay anything British not to write more about this strange phenomenon.I also notice that the recording sample used for this music here,is Dame Clara Butts famous recording(though largely unknown to the general public). Clara Butt had a unique or rather uniquely horrible voice(that I personally like) but which has been likened to a donkey braying... If you want to hear this beautiful song properly sung there are dozens of clips on You Tube Meanwhile, can we hear more from Americans about when and why was this patriotic British song introduced into American graduation ceremonies..has any other music ever been used? Its all really rather extraordinary..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.99.38.208 (talk) 19:30, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Rationale for the short title: The trio section is known as "Land of Hope and Glory" in the UK (usually it is sung) and as "Pomp and Circumstance" in the US (never sung, and rarely heard outside graduation ceremonies). The entire composition is "Pomp and Circumstance March No. 1" (with "Op. 39" inserted for the pedants). David Brooks 16:20, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

I do not see the logic in titling it simply "pomp and circumstance", as the latter refers to the entire suite of marches imho. Either it is "Pomp and Circumstance March No. 1", or it "Land of hope and Glory", is it not? Emoscopes 22:51, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, I should refine what I wrote above. The title of this article only refers to the trio section of the march, because that is the music of the song (some people may say "We hear Land of Hope and Glory at the Last Night of the Proms", when in fact we hear the whole march, but when we say that we are thinking of the song). But the title is, to be sure, about the song. So perhaps the wording should be, in an excess of pedantry:
 * Land of Hope and Glory, which is sung to the tune of the central section (known simply as Pomp And Circumstance in some places) of Elgar's Pomp and Circumstance March No. 1...
 * but it doesn't exactly flow. Still, perhaps clever wordsmithing is the answer. David Brooks 23:41, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

I follow now, but does not Pomp and circumstance march #1 incorporate land of hope and glory and not the other way around? AFAIC Land of hope and glory should redirect to a pomp and circumstance march #1 (op 39) in D major page rather than have a refernce to the latter on the page of the former.

 * Well, I don't think that's right either, because they are independent works that happen to share a tune. The March is op. 39 No. 1 (1901), and the song has no opus number but is an adaptation of op. 44, part 7 (1902). To be pedantic, if it redirects anywhere it should be Coronation Ode, but even that wouldn't be quite right. David Brooks 03:50, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Categorisation
This song is Called English in the Navbox, British in the Article and British in categorisation can anyone explain  the discrepancies this is common to many of the British songs, Should I change the Navbox. Any thoughts ? ARBAY (talk) 10:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Football
I observe that this section is becoming a list of football clubs showing their similar variants of "We all follow ... over land and sea". The whole could be reorganised better if this is going to be done. Peripheral to this, it could be confusing when a pair of these clubs play each other and singing starts! P0mbal (talk) 10:47, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

 * Aye, and the 'We hate [insert hated club's name], we hate [insert another hated club's name] too, we hate [insert yet another hated club's name], but [insert beloved club's name] we love you' chant is rather ubiquitous in English, & possibly British, football at most every level. It seems odd to tie it to one particular club. Gwladys24 (talk) 15:56, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

English/ British
We have to be careful here. The UK is a State of union between nations. The Land Of Hope and Glory is the compound "British" union. Not just the English bit. There is no English Monarch. The Queen is not "Queen of England".

"..  With what our sires have won ;    The blood a hero sire hath spent.." England can not be allowed to get away with hi-jacking the British Empire, no matter how often they conflate the words and meanings of England/Britain. When Blake wrote "Jerusalem" with its England's Mountains, are you sure he didn't mean the entire island and not just little old England? "..thine Empire shall be strong.. " There was no "English Empire". It was the British Empire, won in no small measure by Scots and Welsh troops as well as Englishmen. Remove the exceptional contribution by the philosophers, bankers, businessmen, architects, philanthropists, church ministers, politicians, shipbuilders, engineers and inventors from Scotland, and there would be much less glory in the old Empire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.243.253 (talk) 22:40, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Not sure why your knickers got quite so tied up in knots over something so trivial, but venting your spleen on the TP's is inappropriate and doesn't add to the quality of the article.50.111.61.101 (talk) 10:40, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Cecil Rhodes
What is the relevance of Cecil Rhodes to the song? The text only says that Rhodes's will was published at the same time as the song, and contains a similar sentiment. This doesn't establish any particular connection between the two, and so doesn't appear to be relevant. Marnanel (talk) 01:46, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

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Randy Savage
I removed the sentence that stated "Professional wrestler 'Macho Man' Randy Savage was famed for using 'Land of Hope and Glory' as his entrance music." In the U.S., where Savage was from, the tune of "Land of Hope and Glory" which was Savage's entrance music is known as "Pomp and Circumstance", without the England-themed lyrics. See this book published by World Wrestling Entertainment and Savage's New York Times obituary. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 21:39, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Rugby
Is this sentence correct english, in particular the use of "after of"? "Although their anthem changed to "God Save the Queen" after of the Great Britain side in 2007, ...". Masonmilan (talk) 21:04, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Sid James

Age
The article states his DOB and DOD but on the last line it says he was 62 when he sadly died. Surely this should read 63.

 * NO! He was born in May 1913 and died in April 1976, therefore he did not quite make 63.

South African not "South African born"
Sid James came to live in Britain in 1946- when he was 32 or 33. Surely that makes him a South African and not merely "South African born" ? I'm changing it unless someone has a really good reason why it should stay the way it is... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.16.3 (talk) 10:43, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Did he acquire British citizenship? Jim Michael (talk) 17:53, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

 * South Africa was at the time of his birth a part of the British Empire and so Sid James would have automatically been born a British Subject. So in answer to your question, he would have been both British and South African. He wouldn't have needed to acquire British citizenship as he already possessed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.4.57.101 (talk) 20:42, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

 * This has now been recently adjusted once more. What is correct? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:19, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

The Krays
I remeber tell that as a result of his antics with Barbera Windsor (on and possibly off screen) he angered one of the Kray twins (the one Windsor was involved with). As a result he broke into James' home and moved things about to ward him off). Anyone care to mention this?--Crestville 19:40, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

No not exactly true. Barbara Windsor was once married to Ronnie Knight. Knight was a top villian in his own right and did actually break into Sid's house, or some sources claim it was his dressing room, and in bed an axe into the floorboards as a sign. Babs Windsor did have an affair with Charlie Kray at one time though.

 * Is the this sentence -- "James's obsession with Barbara Windsor was such that it led to his returning home one day to find that all of the furniture had been rearranged" -- in reference to Charlie Kray, then? I ask because that sentence makes no sense as it stands, but I know nothing about Sid James and could not possibly edit this myself.  Perhaps someone who works on the article can clear this up. Clockster (talk) 12:46, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Real name
His real name is "Joel Solomon Cohen" (not "Sidney Joel Cohen"), I'm not too sure why there should be dispute about this but apparently there is, I'm a witness of his birth certificate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.203.64.10 (talk • contribs)

 * Because there's no proof, and Wikipedia works on verifiable fact. Can you prove you are his grandson, or show us other proof about his name?  This site suggests you are wrong. Stephenb (Talk) 13:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

 * And this one Stephenb (Talk) 13:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

 * And this one and iMDb too. Need I go on?  I'm afraid to say I don't believe your claims Stephenb (Talk) 13:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

 * The first site is only half right, "When the Australian tour finally finished in 1921, Reine returned home alone to collect her children. Now eight years of age, Sollie was sent to Hospital Hill Primary School, where his cousin Joel Cohen was a pupil. To add further confusion, the family had taken to calling Joel 'Sidney'. It was the young lads class teacher who resolved the problem. 'From now on you will be Joel, and Sollie, you will be called Sidney.' " both were called Joel, but Sid was called "Joel Solomon Cohen", he was then named Sidney by the teacher on the basis of there being too many Joels. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.203.64.10 (talk • contribs)

 * Sorry, don't believe you. Please cite where this information can be found. Stephenb (Talk) 13:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

 * What do you want me to do? Scan in his certificate? I find it strange that you even have the time to be looking through the changes to this and also fiding source that display a false name, I'll change it back later when you decide to stop, I'm surprised people still believe media articles over genuine people.193.203.64.10 13:44, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

 * (1) I don't know you are genuine. Wikipedia has a lot of vandals. (2) All other evidence is against you. (3) Wikipedia relies on citable, verifiable evidence. The article is now on my watchlist.  Please do not vandalise it again.  Stephenb (Talk) 13:46, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Lol, looks like we'll be having some fun then, I'll see you later. The Vandal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.203.64.10 (talk • contribs)

 * Taken to Requests for comment/Biographies Stephenb (Talk) 14:32, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Our policy on verifiability, WP:V, requires sources that an uninvolved reader can check. If the checkable set of sources is consistent, what they say must be said. In theory, a birth certificate is possible source, but I don't think it is workable for a claim that someone's birth name was different than the name they were later known by. How could anyone know the birth certificate was for the same person? That transition needs to be published in a reliable source, and the birth certificate won't show the change of name. GRBerry 21:39, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

To clarify all this: His birth name was Joel Solomon Cohen, he changed it to Sidney Joel Cohen because at school, there were too many Cohens and the teacher got confused. He then later changed it to Sid James due to personal reasons which I don't think need to be explained. This is in his biography but I don't have it and don't intend to buy it, but there is your reference.--81.178.80.16 11:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Please give a clear reference. I have reverted your change to one which has a clear reference. Stephenb (Talk) 14:39, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Sid James: A Biography--81.178.80.16 14:47, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks... He changed his name from X Cohen to Y Cohen because there were too many Cohens...? Hmm, doesn't sound plausible, since he didn't change the Cohen part! Stephenb (Talk) 17:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Sorry, too many Joels^, I'd prefer it if this information wasn't on wikipedia at all considering he wasn't even happy with his family knowing, but if it has to be on there, I want it correct. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.178.80.16 (talk) 20:41, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

RfC response
This subject has come up a number of times, most recently with Ernest Borgnine. The problem is that we must have a way of verifying if the information concerning James's birth name is correct. Without that, it cannot be changed. Personal research cannot be used because it is nonverifiable. See WP:NOR. Hope this helps. --Mantanmoreland 21:50, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I just found a website called "Screenonline" that appears to be reliable and does say that James's birth name was "Cohen." It does not provide the other names stated by the unknown user. Again, they would need to be verified but I think that you can say that his birth name was "Cohen" based on this, and cite this source. There may be others. Halliwell's film guide has nothing.--Mantanmoreland 22:00, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I found another, this time referring to a "Sidney Joel Cohen." Seems to be stuff out there.--Mantanmoreland 22:02, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * nndb takes user submissions. I wouldn't rely on it to be 100% accurate. As for the other source, there is an encyclopedia mentioned at the end. Brian McFarlane, Encyclopedia of British Film. Perhaps if that was their source it can be checked.--Crossmr 03:24, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Health
Later it was rumoured that Sid James's ghost haunted the dressing room he occupied on the night of his death. After one experience during a gig there, the comedian Les Dawson refused to play the venue again. He never revealed why and would not talk on the subject....

Not that I want to be nitpicky, but if Dawson never revealed why he refused to play the venue again, and would not talk on the subject, then how does anyone know that it had anything to do with Dawson seeing Sid James' ghost? SimonUK (talk) 13:40, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I recall seeing a TV documentary about Sid James where his wife (I beleive) commented that when the doctor told him to give up brandy and cigarettes he did... and replaced them with whisky and cigars. (83.13.39.98 (talk) 11:29, 18 February 2008 (UTC))

The second paragraph in Health begins "Meanwhile his success in TV situation comedies continued, now heading the cast, notably in Taxi!," "Taxi!" was a 1962 British sitcom starring Sid James, but "Taxi!" here, as a link, goes to the 1932 James Cagney movie of the same name. It appears that the link needs to be corrected. Wcomm (talk) 07:52, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

It appears that someone has partially fixed the incorrect link to Taxi! The link no longer point to the wrong Taxi! but rather to a not yet created article about the correct Taxi! So the above comment no longer applies. 66.65.179.77 (talk) 07:08, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Carry-on films with Kenneth Williams
You should add 'Carry On Regardless' - one of the better ones, in fact. 217.39.92.55 (talk) 23:13, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Very odd sentence
James's alleged obsession with Windsor was such that it was said he returned to his home one day to find that all of the furniture had been rearranged, and on another occasion that her husband of the time, Ronnie Knight, had put an axe in his floor.

 * I struggle to make sense of this, particularly the first part. What is the connection between a passion he had for Barbara Windsor, and his furniture being rearranged?  Who rearranged it - his wife?  Did she know about the affair?  I just don't get any of this.  Can some kind soul help out here?  --   Jack of Oz   [Talk]  07:32, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

 * I've worked it out and fixed it. Anglicanus (talk) 16:58, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your edits, but I'm none the wiser. Seriously.  If you were having an affair, would you expect to come home one day to find all your furniture rearranged?  And if you did find that that had occurred, what construction would you put on it?  Wouldn't you assume your wife/partner had just had a whim?  There's something missing here that links the affair with the furniture rearrangement.  Something the writer has taken for granted, but which they have completely failed to transmit to at least this reader.  --   Jack of Oz   [Talk]  18:51, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

 * I assume it's intending to suggest that by rearranging the furniture in someone's home while they are out, you are demonstrating that you have free access to the place where they live and sleep, and that they should not feel safe there. --McGeddon (talk) 09:58, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

 * So, are we suggesting that Barbara Windsor's husband found out about the affair she was having with Sid James, and decided to rearrange his furniture while he was out, as some kind of warning to him to keep his hands off his wife? --   Jack of Oz   [Talk]  10:09, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

 * Something like that; it may just have been him threatening James not to take his "obsession" any further. I don't have a copy of the source, though. --McGeddon (talk) 16:00, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Carry On films namesake mistakes
There is an obvious mistake in the article regarding the characters named "Sidney" which appear in these films. Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond is absolutely not "the scarlet pimpernel" character from "Carry On Don't Lose Your Head" that character was called "Sir Rodney Ffing/The Black Fingernail". The "Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond" character is surely one of the best known SJ creations appearing in "Carry On Up The Khyber". 92.26.96.157 12:06, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

 * Corrected. Philip Cross (talk) 19:40, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Was Sid James a "comedian"?
I have reverted a user for their inaccurate category addition of "British Comedians of the 20th Century", or something like that. I disagree, they don't. Unfortunately, the editor in question seems to think that it is more appropriate to discuss this at ANI rather than using this talk page, something that they should've done per WP:BRD. I will not discuss this at the boards and will instead discuss the changes here.

I disagree with the descriptor "comedian" for James. James was not a comedian, but a comedy actor. This is also omitted from the lead so the category should not be added, in my opinion.  Cassianto Talk   17:11, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

 * Depends upon what the sources say. This obit calls him a "comic actor," which is the way I would put it. But in this biography he is called "one of the best known comedians of his day but he never told a joke" or ad-libbed. Seems to me that if he didn't tell jokes he's not a comedian. Same for the other "carry-on" actors. On balance I'd omit unless the sourcing is consistent. Coretheapple (talk) 18:26, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I would agree with you on this, ., when you've quite finished entertaining the peanut gallery at ANI, I'd be interested to know your thoughts on this. I won't hold my breath.   Cassianto Talk   18:35, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I am not entering into discussion here until the matter of your abuse toward me is satisfactorily resolved. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 18:40, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * So let me get this right: refusing to engage in a conversation you should have started here in order to continue a related conversation elsewhere in the hope that your POV gets enforced by having me blocked? Genius.  Well, I'm off to do some good somewhere, unlike you, it seems, so when you've satisfied your jollies, maybe we can discuss how actually to improve the encyclopaedia.   Cassianto Talk   18:55, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * We should go with what the sources say. Thanks Coretheapple for looking into it. It's probably better to leave it out until someone can produce a few sources claiming otherwise. Mr Ernie (talk) 18:50, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Mr PaleCloudedWhite seems to be enjoying himself far too much at All Narcissists Invited to take part in a discussion about how best to come to a compromise, so I guess it's up to the rest of us. Good to see you, :)   Cassianto Talk   18:55, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * In this rather interesting article,[] the Telegraph desribe him as a character actor, and actually discusses him with great seriousness in some of his lesser-known roles. Simon. Irondome (talk) 19:00, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Indeed. On a side note, I hope they're not calling The Lavender Hill Mob "weird".  It was a stand out film among James' pre-Carry On stuff.    Cassianto Talk   19:09, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * (ec) Nah, I think that was under the article title criteria of 'Best' ;) Simon. Irondome (talk) 19:29, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank god! This was a good, underrated little gem from the early '60s.  I still have it on DVD somewhere, I think.   Cassianto Talk   19:51, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I just saw him in The Small Back Room, which just was run on US cable under its American title, and his role in that is clearly not "comedian." Again, though, it's not our call. Coretheapple (talk) 19:25, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

I express no opinion here on the above, but if it is decided that "comedian" is inappropriate, the article currently has two other such categories: "Jewish comedians" and "English male comedians". --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 19:43, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The comedy cats are a complete bloody mess. Irondome (talk) 19:48, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Categories are sometimes a source of unnecessary drama and this is one such occasion. James is on the cusp between comedian and comic actor, and it would be no great horror to call him either. Coretheapple (talk) 19:52, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Deffo, Domey. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:54, 28 June 2017 (UTC) p.s and perhaps we'll move on to those four "Jew Categories" next??
 * And it's widespread Martin, all over the site. And the comedy-related lists are crap too. Totally often contradict, duplicate, et bloody cetera. Irondome (talk) 20:10, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * "Et bloody cetera", surely? ... yours (with Sid's ashes onboard), "Bloody Delilah" (talk) 20:13, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I see that there's a category for the Goulders Green Crematorium. Well, I guess you either utilized its services or you didn't. Coretheapple (talk) 20:07, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Looking forward to Category:Dead Jewish comedians. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:13, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I can see it now. British Jewish comedians who plan on getting cremated at Golders Green crematorium. Tut. Irondome (talk) 20:14, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * ... Please keep this small urn as a token of my infectious smallness. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:24, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

@PaleCloudedWhite: Those whose only contribution to an article is to fiddle with categories may not appreciate how irritating that is for other editors. The reason for the irritation is that there is no central authority with a mandate to adjust categories, so any assumption by a drive-by editor that it is obvious that a category belongs on a page is invalid. Further, edit warring about a category for someone who died forty years ago is, well, highly inappropriate and disruptive. Please collaborate. If a category change is opposed and if convinced that the change is desirable, make a case for it on the article talk page. Johnuniq (talk) 03:57, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Johnuniq, if you take a quick look at his Talk page you'll see that PaleCloudedWhite has now resigned. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:58, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

 * Interested editors may want to take a look at Comedian, which posits, without any evident sourcing, that Charlie Chaplin was "the most popular screen comedian of the first half of the 20th century." That's news to me. Note also the lead illustration. I'd say this entire area warrants scrutiny. Coretheapple (talk) 11:55, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Do Americans get round this a bit by using the word "comic" (at least more than British people do)? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:55, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The definition of comedian appears to allow for it to be defined as: A comic actor - an actor who plays comic roles - an actor in comedy and comedian also appears to be synonymous with comic/comedy actor: comic...comedy actor. And from the refs used in this article that I could access: comedian - comedy actor - comedian. Other sources: British Comedian, British Comedian, comedian, actor, comic actor, and in the article Sid James filmography, comedian is used. Personally, I don't see that much of a distinction between the two: comedy actor vs. comedian. Isaidnoway (talk)  16:48, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * That all looks quite convincing. I suspect that lately (past 20+ years?), in the UK at least, the word "comedian" has become more synonymous with "stand-up comedian" i.e. someone who essentially tells jokes. But I can offer no sources in support of this view. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:04, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * In the new reference just added to the first line of the article, there is this quote from Sid James himself: "Comedy is hard work and I am not really a comedian…I need funny people around me to get the best out of myself." Blurryman (talk) 17:49, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Stage work
Should there not be something about his stage work? I understand from the documentary 'Seriously Seeking Sid' that he appeared in such productions as ‘Guys & Dolls’, ‘Solid Gold Cadillac’ and there is a Youtube video of him singing 'Our House' from 'Carry On London'.

'According to rumour..'

 * "According to rumour, Sid had an affair with the daughter of an important member of Johannesburg society; his decision to move away from South Africa was partly because he was "advised" to leave due to the possible controversy.[citation needed]" has been languishing for 2 years with a cite needed tag. Apart from maybe raising a mild chuckle in some, and as a pointer to Sid's attraction to the ladies, or the other way round, it seems to have no major advantage. If anything is ever found, we can stick it back in. Any colleagues feel it should be kept? Simon Adler (talk) 16:57, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Have you looked at Sid James: A Biography by Cliff Goodwin and searched for "Meg Sergei"? It says "Her affair with Sid was enough to prompt Toots to file for divorce"? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:17, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * But what is this..hold the front page. This [] appears to have a completely different version of the rumour and appears to have masses of other info not in the article. The question is, is it a reliable and usable source? It is an article on Sid at the Tony Hancock Appreciation Society website. Ummm.. Simon Adler (talk) 17:08, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, so in that version of events it's the unnamed pregnant hairdresser who was paid to leave the country. I came across that page earlier and thought that it should probably not be trusted. It doesn't even have a named author? That source tells us that he divorced Toots, but not when. It also tells that he married Meg, but not when. It just tells us that "In September 1945 Meg fell pregnant". But there seems to be a lot of basic material missing from the "Early life" section in our article. I'd suggest most could be sourced from the Goodwin book. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:29, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks Martin. The article is a good read but I doubt if it can be used..Simon Adler (talk) 18:34, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh and cheers for the Goodwin link me old mucker..seems to have most of his early life detailed. The relevant section in our article could certainly be added to. From the dodgy article, one does get a sense of the importance, or dynamism of his early film career. Simon Adler (talk) 18:50, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * "It's red hot, mate. I hate to think of this sort of book getting in the wrong hands. As soon as I've finished this, I shall recommend they ban it." .... TH. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:04, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * On the original question, I think the absence of a reliable citation is sufficient grounds for removing the entire "rumour" sentence. Also, the TTHAS article provides a different and perhaps more plausible explanation for his decision to move to the UK. Blurryman (talk) 19:55, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree. Plausible yes, but is that source really usable? I'd rather stick with the Goodwin. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:38, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest the TTHAS article should be used as a source. Definitely agree with using Goodwin, which I now see (page 59) contains much the same information on that point, and a bit more. Blurryman (talk) 23:07, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Is Adrian Rigelsford a reliable source?
He is a crook, and according to his wikipedia page "The accuracy of Rigelsford's reference work has been heavily disputed". 86.187.163.205 (talk) 10:35, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

 * Since his comment was clearly inaccurate, I cannot see any good reason why it was left in, rather than just deleted, so I've done that. Blurryman (talk) 18:47, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

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Jinshi

Jinshi was the highest and final degree in the imperial examination in Imperial China. The examination was usually taken in the imperial capital in the palace, and was also called the Metropolitan Exam. Recipients are sometimes referred to in English-language sources as Imperial Scholars.

The jinshi degree was first created after the institutionalization of the civil service exam. Initially it had been "for six categories" but was later consolidated into a single degree. This system first appeared during the Han dynasty (206 BC – AD 220). Throughout the Tang dynasty, every year around one to two percent of test takers would obtain a jinshi title out of a total of one to two thousand test takers.

The numbers of Jinshi degrees given out were increased in the Song dynasty, and the examinations were given every three years. Most senior officials of the Song dynasty were jinshi holders.

The Ming dynasty resumed the civil-service exam after its occurrence became more irregular in the Yuan dynasty. After the reign of the Emperor Yingzong of Ming, it became the rule that only jinshi holders could enter the Hanlin Academy. On average around 89 jinshi per year were conferred.

During the Qing dynasty around 102 jinshi degrees were given a year.

The highest scoring jinshi in the country was known as the zhuangyuan, a term that survives today as a high scoring gaokao test taker or just someone who is very good at a skill.

Subtypes of jinshi recipients

 * Jinshi Jidi (進士及第, lit. "distinguished jinshi"), graduates ranked first class in the court exam, usually only the top three individuals were qualified for this title.
 * Zhuangyuan (狀元, lit. "top thesis author"), the jinshi who ranked first overall nationwide.
 * Bangyan (榜眼, lit. "eyes positioned alongside"), the jinshi who ranked second overall just below zhuangyuan.
 * Tanhua (探花, lit. "flower snatcher"), the jinshi ranked third overall.
 * Jinshi Chushen (進士出身, lit. "jinshi background"), the graduates who ranked second class in court exam, ranking immediately after the tanhua.
 * Tong Jinshi Chushen (同進士出身, lit. "along with jinshi background"), graduates ranked third class in the court exam.

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Dean Reynolds

Dean Reynolds (born 11 January 1963 in Grimsby) is an English former professional snooker player whose career spanned twenty years from 1981 to 2001.

Career
Before turning professional, Reynolds won the first-ever Junior Pot Black in 1981, beating another future professional, Dene O'Kane, with a two- aggregate score of 151–79.

He twice reached a ranking tournament final, but lost on both occasions, the first at the 1989 British Open against Tony Meo, and the second at the 1989 Grand Prix against Steve Davis.

Reynolds is one of the select band of players who have achieved a in competition, having made a 143  after potting a  at the 2006 European Team Championships in Carlow.

In April 2009, Reynolds suffered a stroke and had to relearn his snooker technique.

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Eric McCormack

Eric James McCormack (born April 18, 1963 ) is a Canadian actor known for his roles as Will Truman in the NBC sitcom Will & Grace, Grant MacLaren in Netflix's Travelers, and Dr. Daniel Pierce in the TNT crime drama Perception. Born in Toronto, McCormack started acting by performing in high school plays. He left Ryerson University in 1985 to accept a position with the Stratford Shakespeare Festival, where he spent five years performing in many stage productions.

During the late 1990s he lived in Los Angeles and had minor roles. He made his feature film debut in the 1992 science-fiction adventure film The Lost World. McCormack appeared in several television series including Top Cops, Street Justice, Lonesome Dove: The Series, Townies, and Ally McBeal. He later gained worldwide recognition for playing Will Truman in Will & Grace, which premiered in September 1998. His performance has earned him six Golden Globe nominations and four Emmy nominations, winning the Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Lead Actor in a Comedy Series in 2001.

Aside from appearing in television, he made his Broadway debut in the 2001 production of The Music Man and starred in the 2005 film The Sisters. Following the series conclusion of Will & Grace in 2006, McCormack starred as the leading role in the New York production of Some Girl(s). He starred in the television miniseries The Andromeda Strain (2008) and returned to television in 2009 in the TNT drama Trust Me, which was cancelled after one season.

Also in 2009, McCormack was cast in the science-fiction movie Alien Trespass. In addition, he starred as Dr. Daniel Pierce for three seasons of the TNT crime drama Perception, and provided the voice of "Lucky" on The Hub's Pound Puppies. From 2009 to 2010 he starred as Dr. Max Kershaw, the psychiatrist turned boyfriend of Julia Louis-Dreyfus' title character in The New Adventures of Old Christine. In 2023, he performed on Broadway in The Cottage. In 2021, McCormack joined the cast of Departure.

Early life
McCormack was born in Toronto, Ontario, the son of Doris (1932–2006), a homemaker, and James "Keith" McCormack, an oil company financial analyst who died from cancer in 2008. He is the oldest of three siblings. Eric McCormack has Scottish ancestry. While he was growing up, he was shy and did not play sports but was involved in theatre from an early age: "I was a bit of an outsider, but I discovered theatre very early on, which got me through." He later attended Sir John A. Macdonald Collegiate Institute in Scarborough, Ontario, where he was a classmate of David Furnish. He enrolled in theatre classes there and performed in high school productions of Godspell and Pippin. McCormack recalls that after performing in Godspell, his feelings toward becoming an actor solidified and he decided to pursue a career in acting. "I remember after the first performance of that... I knew where to fit in. That was the beginning of my life as an actor. It changed me in that the concept of any other options disappeared. From that moment there was no question. I knew exactly what I was going to do. I'm lucky that way."

McCormack graduated from high school in 1982 and enrolled at Ryerson University School of Theatre in Toronto to further develop as an actor. He left Ryerson in 1985, several months before graduating, to accept a position with the Stratford Shakespeare Festival in Stratford, Ontario where he spent five seasons performing. "It was all I wanted, to be a classical actor for the rest of my life, but during the last couple of years I was there, I started to realise that it wasn't for me. Perhaps I didn't have to give my Hamlet before I died, that the world might be an OK place without my Hamlet, in fact." He appeared in productions of A Midsummer Night's Dream, Henry V, Murder in the Cathedral and Three Sisters. He later performed with the Manitoba Theatre Centre in a production of Burn This, as well as with Toronto's Royal Alexandra Theatre in Biloxi Blues.

Early work
McCormack made his Canadian television debut in the 1986 movie The Boys from Syracuse. McCormack moved to Los Angeles and made his US television debut in a 1991 episode of the CBS crime series Top Cops. He appeared in the 1992 theatrical films The Lost World, based on Conan Doyle's novel of the same name and in its sequel, Return to the Lost World, also released in 1992. By 1993, he landed a recurring role as a detective in the crime drama Street Justice. Also in 1993, McCormack appeared in the television movie Double, Double, Toil and Trouble, playing Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen's father.

He played the role of Colonel Francis Clay Mosby in 42 episodes of the Western television series Lonesome Dove: The Series (1994), which was later renamed Lonesome Dove: The Outlaw Years (1995). McCormack commented that it was a "fantastic role". In an interview with The Guardian in 2003, he admitted to auditioning "two or three times" for the part of Ross Geller for the situation comedy Friends, which ultimately went to David Schwimmer. In 1995, he appeared in the television film The Man Who Wouldn't Die. He was cast in the 1997 made-for-television movie Borrowed Hearts, where he portrayed a selfish businessman who learns to love, and in the HBO film Exception to the Rule, in which he played a cheating husband.

Also in 1997, he had minor roles in the comedy shows Townies, Veronica's Closet, and Ally McBeal. Originally, McCormack was scheduled to appear as a series regular in the NBC sitcom Jenny, but was fired after the pilot due to the network cutting his character. In addition McCormack had a recurring role in season five of the comedy series The New Adventures of Old Christine, in which he played a therapist and love interest for Julia Louis-Dreyfus's character, Christine.

Will & Grace
McCormack received his breakthrough role in 1998 when he was cast as gay lawyer Will Truman on the NBC sitcom Will & Grace. McCormack said that when the part came along, he was convinced he was right for the role. "At the end of the audition, Max Mutchnick, co-creator and executive producer of the show said 'That was perfect. Just to let you know, you never have to be more gay than that.'" He explained that when he first read the script, "what hit me immediately was that this was me. I mean, sexual orientation aside, Will was so much like me. He's a great host, he's relatively funny and he has great friends and he's a good friend to them... the gay issue just wasn't really a big thing." The show debuted on September 21, 1998, and was watched by almost 8.6 million American viewers. Will & Grace quickly developed a loyal audience, with the show and McCormack receiving strong reviews. John Carman of the San Francisco Chronicle commented that McCormack and costar Debra Messing (who played Will's best friend Grace Adler) worked "nicely" together. Kay McFadden of The Seattle Times also praised McCormack, Messing, and the supporting cast as "very funny". For the performance, he earned four Emmy Award nominations (2000, 2001, 2003, 2005), one of which resulted in a win (2001), for Outstanding Lead Actor in a Comedy Series. In addition, he received five Golden Globe Award nominations.

Also in 1998, McCormack appeared in Stephen Herek's comedy film Holy Man. The film was critically and financially unsuccessful. The next year he starred in the comedy movie Free Enterprise (1999), a movie about two filmmakers (McCormack and Rafer Weigel) obsessed with actor William Shatner and Star Trek. Film critic Kevin Thomas of the Los Angeles Times wrote that McCormack and Weigel "both make a strong impression". In 2000, McCormack appeared in the ABC television movie The Audrey Hepburn Story, portraying actor Mel Ferrer.

During the 2001 Broadway season, McCormack briefly portrayed Professor Harold Hill (replacing Craig Bierko) in the Susan Stroman revival of The Music Man at the Neil Simon Theatre. In August 2002, as part of the Hollywood Bowl's summer concert series, he reprised the role of Harold Hill for a one-night only appearance in which he and other actors recreated the songs from the production. McCormack hosted the fourth episode of the 28th season of the sketch comedy show Saturday Night Live on November 2, 2002. In 2004, he had a recurring role as Ray Summers on Showtime's comedy drama Dead Like Me. The following year, McCormack starred in the film The Sisters, based on Anton Chekhov's play Three Sisters. The film premiered at the 2005 Tribeca Film Festival.

Will & Grace ' s eighth season ended with the series finale on May 18, 2006. The finale garnered 18 million American viewers, making it the most-watched entertainment telecast in six years. In January 2017, NBC closed a deal for a new, 10-episode season of Will & Grace during the 2017–18 season. The new show has been branded as a "reboot", or "revival", taking place 11 years after the original series' finale episode, with McCormack reprising his role of Truman. In August 2017 it was extended again to 16 episodes, and a second 13-episode season was ordered. In March 2018, NBC ordered five more episodes for the revival's second season, bringing the total to 18 episodes, and also renewed the show for an 18-episode third season. Eric McCormack continued his role of Will Truman for all of the announced seasons of the revival.

After Will & Grace
After Will & Grace ended McCormack starred on the New York stage opposite Fran Drescher, Judy Reyes, Brooke Smith, and Maura Tierney in Neil LaBute's off-Broadway play Some Girl(s) at the Lucille Lortel Theatre. He plays a writer who is ready to settle down and marry, but decides to visit four ex-girlfriends first. For his performance, McCormack received critical reviews. New York Times contributor Ben Brantley, in review of the production, wrote: "Playing a thoughtless, woman-despising heterosexual, Mr. McCormack isn't much different from when he was playing a thoughtful, woman-worshiping homosexual. As in Will & Grace, he italicizes every other line for maximum comic spin and punctuates his dialogue by earnestly furrowing his features". Brantley went on to say that McCormack's interpretation of the character is "certainly a more slickly sustained performance" than the one delivered by David Schwimmer in 2005. Melissa Rose Bernardo of Entertainment Weekly commented that McCormack and Tierney "have incredible chemistry".

In the same year, McCormack produced the Lifetime comedy Lovespring International, a show that revolves around six employees at Lovespring International, a dating agency located in California as an "elite Beverly Hills" company. The series debuted to ambivalent reviews, with Matthew Gilbert of The Boston Globe commenting that Lovespring International is "a lively little cable exercise in over-the-top characters, bad taste, satire, and political incorrectness." The show was cancelled that same year.

In 2008, McCormack co-starred in the A&E television miniseries The Andromeda Strain, a remake of the 1971 movie based on the novel by Michael Crichton. In the miniseries he played Jack Nash, a television reporter who battles an addiction to cocaine. The Andromeda Strain received mixed reviews, and McCormack's performance was criticized. Joanna Weiss of the Boston Globe wrote, "The presence of Eric McCormack, as an intrepid TV reporter, is especially extraneous (no disrespect to intrepid reporters)." Robert Bianco of USA Today commented, "The central cast is completed by... poor Eric McCormack as a crusading, coke-addicted journalist who spends the second half of the movie playing Rambo in the desert. Let's just say McCormack does the best he can with what he's given, and leave it at that." On September 5, 2008, McCormack made a guest appearance in the seventh season and 100th episode of the television series Monk, where he played an unctuous host of a television crime docudrama.

In January 2009, McCormack returned to television in the TNT drama Trust Me, co-starring Tom Cavanagh. The series, set around a fictional advertising firm, starred McCormack as Mason McGuire who is the firm's newly promoted creative director, and deals with his best friend's (Cavanagh) unpredictable behavior. In an interview with USA Weekend, McCormack revealed he was not afraid of being typecast. His decision to do the show, he said, was due to "great writing". The show debuted on January 26, 2009, and was watched by almost 3.4 million viewers. Trust Me debuted to very positive reviews, with Tim Goodman of the San Francisco Chronicle writing that "the series is surprisingly solid." Mary McNamara of the Los Angeles Times wrote that McCormack and Cavanagh "manage to keep their characters sharply defined but low-key. They are opposites but not in an ash-smudged, Windex-wielding Felix and Oscar way." The series, however, was cancelled after one season due to poor ratings.

McCormack starred in the science-fiction film Alien Trespass (2009); he played Doctor Ted Lewis, who gets possessed by an alien marshal, Urp, after he crash-lands on Earth. When asked about his interpretation on the character, McCormack commented that his first instinct was to make Ted Lewis more alien, sounding like Spock. The film was critically and financially unsuccessful.

In May 2009, he portrayed "El Gallo" in Reprise Theatre Company's revival of the 1960s musical The Fantasticks at UCLA's Freud Playhouse. McCormack had a supporting role in Richard Loncraine's comedy My One and Only, which was released in August 2009. On September 30, 2009, he guest-starred on the police procedural drama Law & Order: Special Victims Unit in the second episode of its 11th season playing an owner of a dating website.

McCormack portrayed con artist Clark Rockefeller in the Lifetime television movie Who Is Clark Rockefeller?, which premiered on March 13, 2010. Preparing for the role he read everything on the case, including coverage of the case and Rockefeller's jailhouse interview. Who Is Clark Rockefeller? received mixed reaction, but McCormack's performance was favored by critics, with Variety ' s Brian Lowry concluding that "the real kitsch factor resides in Eric McCormack's performance as the suave charmer, which adds an element of high camp to the proceedings."

In June 2010, McCormack received the NBC Universal Canada Award of Distinction at the Banff TV Festival. In October 2010, he received a star on Canada's Walk of Fame. In 2018, he received a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame for his contributions to the television industry. In October 2010, it was reported that he would star in a new TNT television drama, Perception, playing a crime-solving neuroscientist named Dr. Daniel Pierce, who works with the federal government to solve cases using his knowledge and imaginative view of the world. Perception premiered on July 9, 2012. McCormack also serves as producer for the show. He also provides the voice of "Lucky" on The Hub's Pound Puppies series, which premiered October 10, 2010.

From March 6 through July 8, 2012, he played the role of Senator Joseph Cantwell in the Broadway revival of Gore Vidal’s The Best Man. In February 2015, he guest-starred on an episode of NBC's The Mysteries of Laura which stars Debra Messing, his former co-star on Will & Grace. He starred in Travelers, a science fiction drama which first aired in October 2016 and ran for three seasons.

In 2020, he narrated a portion of the 8th Canadian Screen Awards. In 2022, McCormack was cast in the fifth season of the Shudder horror series Slasher and the first season of the Hulu mystery thriller series The Other Black Girl, which both premiered the following year.

Other projects
McCormack has set up his own production company called Big Cattle Productions to develop ideas for television. The projects produced by the company include Lovespring International and Imperfect Union. In 2003, it was confirmed that he would write, direct, and star in the romantic comedy What You Wish For.

McCormack recorded a song, "The Greatest Discovery", which was written by Elton John and Bernie Taupin in 1970, for the 2006 album Unexpected Dreams – Songs From the Stars. He also wrote and sang a song called "Living with Grace" for the 2004 soundtrack to Will & Grace with piano music provided by Barry Manilow.

Personal life
McCormack was married to Janet Leigh Holden, whom he met on the set of Lonesome Dove, from August 1997 until November 2023. They have a son named Finnigan, a nod to Mr. Dressup, as Eric states in the documentary, Mr. Dressup: The Magic of Make Believe (2023) airing on Prime Video. McCormack maintains residences in Los Angeles and Vancouver. He became a US citizen in 1999 and holds dual Canadian and US citizenship.

McCormack is involved in many Los Angeles and Canadian-based charitable organizations including Project Angel Food. The Wellness Community West Los Angeles Tribute to the Human Spirit Awards dinner presented an award to McCormack for his breast cancer awareness advocacy. He shared with the audience how his comedy helped his mother, Doris McCormack, endure her breast cancer treatments. Doris McCormack was honored at the Lifetime's Breast Cancer Heroes Luncheon in 2004. He serves as an honorary board member of the Multiple Myeloma Research Foundation (MMRF) and was given the MMRF Spirit of Hope Award in October 2006.

McCormack sang both the American and Canadian national anthems at the 2004 NHL All-Star game in St Paul, Minnesota. He is a supporter of same-sex marriage and attended a march in Fresno, California on May 30, 2009, after the Supreme Court of California upheld a ban on same-sex marriage approved by voters in November by ballot Proposition 8. McCormack is a Democrat.

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Category:British poets

This category contains articles about poets from the United Kingdom.

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Great cerebral vein

The great cerebral vein is one of the large blood vessels in the skull draining the cerebrum of the brain. It is also known as the vein of Galen, named for its discoverer, the Greek physician Galen.

Structure
The great cerebral vein is one of the deep cerebral veins. Other deep cerebral veins are the internal cerebral veins, formed by the union of the superior thalamostriate vein and the superior choroid vein at the interventricular foramina. The internal cerebral veins can be seen on the superior surfaces of the caudate nuclei and thalami just under the corpus callosum. The veins at the anterior poles of the thalami merge posterior to the pineal gland to form the great cerebral vein. Most of the blood in the deep cerebral veins collects into the great cerebral vein. This comes from the inferior side of the posterior end of the corpus callosum and empties ie similarities, there are also differences between these two types of veins in the brain. The superficial veins at the dorsal parts of the hemispheres run upward and medially and empty into the large superior sagittal sinus in the upper margin of the falx cerebri. The superior sagittal sinus divides into two parts called the transverse sinuses where the falx cerebri meets the tentorium cerebelli. The sigmoid sinus, which continues the transverse sinus, empties into the jugular vein at the jugular foramen. The internal jugular vein leaves the skull and travels downward to the neck.

The length of the great cerebral vein of Galen varies from 0.15 to 4.2 cm (mean 0.93 cm).

The veins of the brain have very thin walls and contain no valves. They emerge in the brain and lie in the subarachnoid space. They pierce the arachnoid mater and the meningeal layer in the dura and drain into the cranial dural venous sinuses.

Malformations
Most conditions associated with the great cerebral vein are due to congenital defects. Vein of Galen aneurysmal malformations (VGAM) are the most common form of symptomatic cerebrovascular malformation in neonates and infants. The presence and locations of angiomas are very variable and do not follow any predictable pattern. The congenital malformation develops during weeks 6-11 of fetal development as a persistent embryonic prosencephalic vein of Markowski; thus, VGAM is actually a misnomer. The vein of Markowski actually drains into the vein of Galen.

Absence
Absence of the great cerebral vein is a congenital disorder. The deep cerebral veins of the brain normally drain through the great cerebral vein. In its absence, the veins from the diencephalon and the basal ganglia drain laterally into the transverse sinus instead of conjoining in the midline through the Galenic drainage system. Absence of the great cerebral vein is quite rare. It is detected in infancy and most patients die in the neonatal period or in early infancy.

Thrombosis
Thrombosis of the great cerebral vein is a form of stroke due to a blood clot in the vein. It affects just 3 to 8% of patients, predominantly women. Patients may present with consciousness problems, headaches, nausea, visual defects, fatigue, disturbance of eye movements and pupillary reflexes, or coma. Thrombosis of the cerebral vein is often deadly but can be survived. Risk factors include oral contraceptives, pregnancy, and the postpartum period.

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Western League

Western League may refer to:

Baseball

 * Western League (1885–1900), the predecessor to the modern American League of 1901 in Major League Baseball
 * Western League (1900–1958), a former U.S. minor baseball league loop. Its region was later represented by the more dominant Pacific Coast League in Class AAA ("Triple A")
 * Western League (1939–1941), a Class D, low minor circuit in the U.S. that existed briefly before World War II
 * Western Baseball League, a former independent minor league in the U.S. which ceased operation in 2002
 * Western League (Japanese baseball), one of two professional minor leagues in Japan

Other sports

 * Western Football League, a semi-professional United Kingdom football league in the English National League System
 * West of England Premier League, an English cricket league formerly known as the Western League

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Hellenic League

Hellenic League may refer to:

Ancient history

 * The coalition of Greek city-states against the Persians during the Greco-Persian Wars, 5th century BCE
 * The League of Corinth, an association of Greek polities and city-states under the leadership of Philip II and Alexander the Great, between 337 and 323 BCE
 * The coalition of Greek states led by Athens against Macedonia during the Lamian war, between 323 and 322 BCE
 * The association of Greeks under Antigonus and Demetrius I Poliorcetes against Cassander, 302 BCE
 * The association of Greek city-states, also known as the Symmachy, under Antigonus III Doson that was originally formed to fight Cleomenes III of Sparta, 226 BCE
 * The association of Greek city-states under Hadrian, 131 CE (see Panhellenion)

Other uses

 * Hellenic Football League, English football league

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Category:Polish writers

This category is for writers who were nationals of Poland. Writers who were nationals of other countries but wrote in Polish should be in Category:Polish-language writers.

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Sean Hayes

Sean Patrick Hayes (born June 26, 1970) is an American actor, comedian, musician and producer. Known for his performances on stage and screen, he gained acclaim for his role as Jack McFarland on the NBC sitcom Will & Grace, for which he won a Primetime Emmy Award and four Screen Actors Guild Awards. He has also received nominations for six Golden Globe Awards and two Tony Awards, winning one of the latter.

He also runs a television production company called Hazy Mills Productions, which produces shows such as Grimm, Hot in Cleveland, The Soul Man, and Hollywood Game Night. He portrayed Jerry Lewis in the CBS film Martin and Lewis (2002). He is known for his appearances in films such as Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss (1998), Cats & Dogs (2001), Pieces of April (2003), The Cat in the Hat (2003), Win a Date with Tad Hamilton! (2004), The Bucket List (2007), Igor (2008), The Three Stooges (2012), Monsters University (2013), and Am I OK? (2022). Since July 2020, he has co-hosted the comedy podcast SmartLess alongside Jason Bateman and Will Arnett.

Hayes made his Broadway debut playing Chuck Baxter in the musical Promises, Promises in 2010, for which he received a Tony nomination. He portrayed God in the comedy An Act of God from 2015 to 2016 and Oscar Levant in the Doug Wright play Good Night, Oscar in 2022, the latter of which earned him the Tony Award for Best Actor in a Play. He hosted the 64th Tony Awards in 2010 for which he was awarded a Primetime Emmy Award.

Early life
Hayes was born in Evergreen Park, Illinois, the youngest child of five of Mary Hayes (1939–2018), the director of a non-profit food bank called the Northern Illinois Food Bank, and Ronald Hayes, a lithographer. He is of Irish descent and was raised as a Roman Catholic in the Chicago suburb of Glen Ellyn, Illinois. His father, an alcoholic, left the family when Hayes was five, leaving his mother to raise him and his siblings. He has been estranged from his father for many years.

After graduating from Glenbard West High School, Hayes attended Illinois State University, where he studied piano performance. He left "two or three classes short" of graduation when he became music director at the Pheasant Run Theater in St. Charles, Illinois. Hayes worked as a classical pianist. He practiced improv at The Second City in Chicago. He also composed original music for a production of Antigone at the Steppenwolf Theatre Company in Chicago. He moved to Los Angeles in 1995, where he found work as a stand-up comedian and an actor on stage and on television, including a commercial for Doritos which aired during Super Bowl XXXII in 1998.

Career
As a teenager, Hayes was an extra in the film Lucas (1986), which was filmed at his high school. He made his professional debut in the independent film Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss (1998), which brought him wide attention. The same year, he was cast as Jack McFarland, a flamboyantly gay and frequently unemployed actor, in the NBC comedy series Will & Grace. The show became a long-running hit and Hayes' performance earned him seven consecutive Emmy Award nominations as Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Comedy Series. He won the award for his first nomination. He was also nominated for six Golden Globe Awards for his performances.

Hayes also made film appearances in Cats & Dogs (2001), as Jerry Lewis in Martin and Lewis (2002), Wayne in Pieces of April (2003), The Cat in the Hat (2003), and Win a Date with Tad Hamilton! (2004). He was also the voice of Brain in the 2008 film Igor, and has guest-starred in television shows such as Scrubs and 30 Rock. In 2005, he was executive producer for Bravo's Situation: Comedy, a reality television series about sitcoms. He also executive produced The Sperm Donor and Stephen's Life, the two winning scripts that were chosen by NBC. He guest-starred in 2006 in the Adult Swim cameo-filled show Tom Goes to the Mayor (S2E15, "Bass Fest"). Hayes appeared as Thomas in the film The Bucket List (2007). On July 5, 2008, he made his New York stage debut as Mr. Applegate / Devil in New York City Center's Encores! production of Damn Yankees.

He also appeared as Mr. Hank Humberfloob and provided the voice of "The Fish" in The Cat in the Hat. In a 2008 interview in The New York Times, Hayes talked about a television project, BiCoastal, about "a guy with a wife and kids in California and a boyfriend in New York" for Showtime. He made his Broadway debut in the April 2010 Broadway revival of the musical Promises, Promises. He received a nomination for the Drama League Award for Distinguished Performance, and was nominated for a Tony Award for Best Actor in a Musical.

Hayes was host of the 64th Annual Tony Awards on June 13, 2010, on CBS. In 2010, he reprised the role of Mr. Tinkles, the evil white Persian cat, in Cats & Dogs: The Revenge of Kitty Galore. On November 15, 2010, he appeared in a satirical PSA for the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. He played Larry Fine in the film The Three Stooges (2012).

Aware that his role in Will & Grace "wouldn't go on forever," Hayes teamed up with friend Todd Milliner, whom he met at Illinois State University, to create the television production company Hazy Mills Productions in 2004. Hayes was co-executive producer of the TV Land original comedy series Hot in Cleveland, which premiered in June 2010 and ran for six seasons. He was also a co-executive producer of the NBC series Grimm, as well as creator and executive producer on another NBC series, Hollywood Game Night. Other television series produced by the company include The Soul Man and Sean Saves the World.

Hayes and his husband, Scott Icenogle, produce lip-sync videos under their YouTube channel, The Kitchen Sync. They lip-synced to songs such as Trouble and Burnitup! He was the host of An All Star Tribute to James Burrows. Hayes starred in the Broadway production An Act of God, June 6 to September 4, 2016, after engagements in Los Angeles and San Francisco.

In 2017, Hayes played the role of Steven, the devil emoji in The Emoji Movie. He and his husband wrote a book named Plum, which is about how the sugar plum fairy got her wings. Hayes has always had an interest for the Nutcracker and memorized the whole musical piece. Hayes has also guest starred as Buddy Wood on the NBC sitcom Parks and Recreation.

In July 2020, Hayes, along with Will Arnett and Jason Bateman, created a comedy and talk podcast called SmartLess. He also hosts another podcast with Dr. Priyanka Wali called HypochondriActor. Hayes starred in and was one of the executive producers for the Netflix Series Q-Force, released September 2, 2021.

In 2022 Hayes portrayed pianist Oscar Levant in the play by Doug Wright entitled Good Night, Oscar which premiered at the Goodman Theatre in Chicago. He reprised the role on Broadway at the Belasco Theatre, beginning in April 2023. He received rave reviews for his performance earning a Tony Award for Best Actor in a Play. He also received the Drama Desk Award for Outstanding Lead Performance in a Play.

Personal life
Hayes refused to discuss his sexual orientation for many years, saying he believed that audiences would therefore be more open-minded about his characters. In a 2010 interview with The Advocate, he appeared to imply that he is gay, stating: "Really? You're gonna shoot the gay guy down? I never have had a problem saying who I am. I am who I am." He also indicated that he was in a relationship. He feels he has "contributed monumentally to the success of the gay movement in America, and if anyone wants to argue that, I'm open to it."

He received an honorary PhD from Illinois State University in February 2013. In November 2014, Hayes announced that he had married his partner of eight years, Scott Icenogle. In October 2017, while appearing on an episode of The Ellen DeGeneres Show, Hayes revealed that he had been hospitalized with a rare condition in which his small intestine burst. The intestine was successfully repaired.

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Talk:List of individual trees

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Removed from the List of individual trees:

"*Tyburn Tree, the name given to a gallows which stood in London, England between 1571 and 1783. The name is derived from elm trees which stood near the site, which was used as a place of execution before the construction of the gallows."

 * Tyburn 'tree' is not a tree at all, it is a figurative term for a (wooden) gallows, and derives from the gallows situated at Tybrun in London. The place name does not derive from elms, but means 'boundary place'. - MPF 09:35, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

- "The General Grant tree, the official Christmas tree of the United States..." My impression is that the official tree is on the White house lawn. Wetman 06:36, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Verified. Official designation is "Nation's Christmas Tree."

Page title
This page should be moved back to List of famous trees. It is a listing of notable individual trees; List of trees instead suggests a list of tree species or genera. - MPF 20:44, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Agreed. Either that or add in famous/important tree species/groups.  EG - Wollemia
 * Agree here as well. - Briarfallen (talk) 12:11, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

adding to list
What criteria are being used for addition of trees to this list?

Courtland 02:58, 2005 May 29 (UTC)

The Wonderboom
The article at Wonderboom is pretty lame, but maybe it could be fleshed out and added to this list.72.196.104.129 01:07, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Should the joshua tree from U2's album be included?
Has there been any prior discussion on whether the actual joshua tree, as seen on the cover of U2's "The Joshua Tree" album, belongs on this page? It could be added to the list of famous North American historical trees, or under the North American "other" section.

Pros: It's well recognized, or at least the album cover is. People make pilgrimages to the site of the tree.

Cons: Joshua trees technically aren't trees. But there's no "List of famous yuccas" page. Its location isn't well-known.

GMOTSL 02:29, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

methuselah still the oldest tree?
I just read this article on MSN talking about five thousand to seven thousand year old hybrid scrub oaks: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19577541/

Anne Frank Tree
How about the Anne Frank Tree? What is the criteria? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.73.44.61 (talk) 17:30, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

North America: added Atlas Grove Iluvatar & Lost Monarch
Just added Atlas Grove Iluvatar.

It's even more famous than the largest known redwood Lost Monarch - which probably is worth adding too.

Atlas Grove Iluvatar was the tree focused on the most, by best-selling author Richard Preston. Iluvatar is the tree that became promoted in Ilustrations. And researcher Robert Van Pelt, further expanded the tree's fame in his book about Pacific Coast giant trees. Atlas Grove Iluvatar is basically on par with Hyperion. Both trees were introduced to the public via the same handful of big tree hunters.ThreeWikiteers (talk) 16:14, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Added Lost Monarch too, which is the largest known coastal redwood. It's less illustrated than Iluvatar, but equally famous, since it's the largest.

Newton
I've heard that the apple tree (or at least a relative of it) Isaac Newton was sitting under when he had his 'eureka' moment with the law of gravitation is still standing. Anyone know where? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thisnamestaken (talk • contribs) 19:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * There is a page about it, and I agree that it should be listed. The page describes the original tree, and mentions several clones that have been cultivated. I have seen the one in Cambridge (UK); it is very popular with tourists. Poslfit (talk) 13:47, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

South America
What About South America??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.1.6.227 (talk) 15:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sure the amazon doesn't contain anything interesting. 173.17.186.20 (talk) 04:11, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Lech, Czech and Rus (Oaks of Rogalin)
It strikes me that the trees representing the mythical fathers of the Poles, Czechs and Russians ought to be included in this list. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lech,_Czech_and_Rus#Oaks_of_Rogalin 24.23.168.135 (talk) 06:45, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Other trees
If we're listing the Disney Tree of Life, why not the Swiss Family Treehouse tree? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.63.69.193 (talk) 08:44, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Another old tree
I just read this story.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/weird-wide-web/1200-year-old-tree-blown-down-wind-wales

Unfortunately this tree is now uprooted due to a windstorm. Based on the stated information it is older than some others listed in this article.

Wanderer57 (talk) 23:53, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Girth
Does girth mean the diameter of the tree trunk? If so, at what height please? Wanderer57 (talk) 23:55, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

The drive-through redwood (or sequoia)?
Shouldn't that Northern California redwood (or perhaps sequoia?) that they carved an automobile drive-through hole into be listed? [signed] FLORIDA BRYAN — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.153.234.136 (talk) 01:56, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

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Old Oak Tree NJ North America
This tree has died and been taken down. It should be moved to the historical section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.163.254.158 (talk) 00:13, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

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Hollow Tree
I assume Hollow Tree should be added to the list? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:15, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

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Notable Geography Error
Multiple trees in Mexico are listed in the South America section. Mexico is in North America. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.211.64.215 (talk) 17:22, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Restructuring
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Mexico is geographically in North America, NOT South America!
List of trees in Mexico should be placed under North America 2600:1700:46B3:3000:31AE:72AF:F6C5:22BB (talk) 18:26, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ (Well, moved under Central America heading.) Tdslk (talk) 18:45, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Door Tree
Hello all, I just started an article for Door Tree in Hamden Connecticut. Can someone help me add it to the list? Thanks much Bruxton (talk) 17:06, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ I figured it out. Bruxton (talk) 18:35, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Mexico is North America
Mexicos trees are listed as Central American. Under no standard classification is Mexico in Central America. For reference: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent Maybe drop the separation by continent and just have a big list, sortable by age, location, and such? 186.18.86.218 (talk) 02:24, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

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United Counties League

The United Counties League (also known after its sponsor as the Uhlsport United Counties League) is an English football league covering an area including the English counties of northern Bedfordshire, northern Buckinghamshire, most of Cambridgeshire, southern Derbyshire, southern Leicestershire, most of Lincolnshire, western Norfolk, Northamptonshire, southern Nottinghamshire, northern Oxfordshire, Rutland, eastern Staffordshire, eastern Warwickshire and eastern West Midlands. It has a total of five divisions, three for first teams and two for reserve teams, but the reserves' divisions were merged into a single division for the 2013–14 season and remains so at present.

Clubs in the Premier Divisions are eligible to enter the FA Cup in the preliminary round stages. The clubs in the league are eligible for the FA Vase, and there are knockout cups for the Premier/Division One clubs and for the Reserve Divisions clubs.

History
The United Counties League was formed in 1895 as the Northamptonshire Junior League, dropping the 'Junior' one year later. It took its current name in 1934 as teams from other counties had long since been a part of the league. Over the years the UCL has 'united' teams from Northamptonshire, Rutland and Bedfordshire with those from parts of Buckinghamshire, Cambridgeshire, Huntingdonshire, Leicestershire, Lincolnshire and even Norfolk. Northampton Town joined the league in 1897 and became champions in their second season before moving up to the Southern League. They would become the league's first former member to reach the Football League in 1920. In 1900 Bedford Queens became the first club from outside the county to join the league.

The Football Association announced on 12 April 2021 that United Counties League would administer a new Step 5 division since the 2021–22 season after the scheduled National League System restructure had a one-season postponement due to the COVID-19 pandemic in England.

Step 5
The league has two divisions at level 9 (step 5) of the National League System (NLS). Member clubs take part in cup competitions organised by the county FA to which they are affiliated and other cup competitions. The north division currently has 18 clubs, feeding into the Northern Premier League Division One Midlands and East. The south division currently has 20 clubs, feeding into the Northern Premier League Division One Midlands and Southern Football League Division One Central.

Step 6 (Division One)
Division One is at level 10 (step 6) in the football pyramid above five smaller local leagues below the recognised NLS: Central Midlands League, Leicestershire Senior League, Lincolnshire League, Northamptonshire Combination League and Nottinghamshire Senior League. There are currently 20 clubs in this division.

Reserve Division
The membership of the Reserve Division is made up largely of the reserve teams of clubs in the Premier Division and Division One of the United Counties League. It has run as a single division since season 2013–14, and currently contains sixteen teams.

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