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Patricia Heaton

Patricia Helen Heaton (born March 4, 1958) is an American actress, producer and comedienne. She began her career appearing in a recurring role in the ABC drama series, Thirtysomething (1989–1991), and later appearing in the comedy films Memoirs of an Invisible Man and Beethoven (both 1992). Heaton went on to star in the short-lived sitcoms Room for Two (1992–93), Someone Like Me (1994) and Women of the House (1995) before landing the role of Debra Barone in the CBS sitcom Everybody Loves Raymond (1996–2005).

For her role in Everybody Loves Raymond, Heaton received seven nominations for the Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Lead Actress in a Comedy Series, winning the award in 2000 and 2001. She received five nominations for an Screen Actors Guild Award for Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in a Comedy Series as well and won Outstanding Performance by an Ensemble in a Comedy Series in 2003. She also played the leading roles in the made-for-television movies A Town Without Christmas (2001), The Goodbye Girl (2004) for which she received Screen Actors Guild Award nomination for Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in a Miniseries or Television Movie, and Front of the Class (2008).

From 2009 to 2018, Heaton starred as Frances "Frankie" Heck in the ABC comedy series, The Middle for which she received Critics' Choice Television Award nomination for Best Actress in a Comedy Series. She hosted and produced Food Network cooking series Patricia Heaton Parties (2015–16) winning Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Culinary Program.

Early life
Patricia Heaton was born in Bay Village, Ohio, the daughter of Patricia (née Hurd) and Chuck Heaton, who was a sportswriter for The Plain Dealer. When she was 12, her mother died of an aneurysm. The fourth of five children, Heaton was raised as a devout Catholic.

Heaton has three sisters, Sharon (now a Dominican nun, and presently assistant registrar at Aquinas College in Nashville), Alice, and Frances, and one brother, Michael, who died in September 2022 at the age of 66 and was the "Minister of Culture" columnist for The Plain Dealer and a writer for the paper's Friday Magazine.

1987—1995
While attending Ohio State University, she became a sister of Delta Gamma sorority. She later graduated with a Bachelor of Arts in drama. In 1980, Heaton moved to New York City to study with drama teacher William Esper. Heaton made her first Broadway appearance in the chorus of Don't Get God Started (1987), after which fellow students and she created Stage Three, an off-Broadway acting troupe.

Heaton auditioned for the role of Elaine Benes on Seinfeld in 1989. When Stage Three brought one of its productions to Los Angeles, Heaton caught the eye of a casting director for the ABC drama series Thirtysomething. She was cast as an oncologist, leading to six appearances on the series from 1989 to 1991. Other guest appearances include Alien Nation (1989) and Matlock (1990) and supporting role in the made-for-television movie Shattered Dreams (1990). In 1992, Heaton made her big screen debut appearing in a supporting role in the comedy-drama film Memoirs of an Invisible Man directed by John Carpenter. Later that year, she appeared in the box-office hit family comedy film Beethoven. From 1992 to 1993, Heaton starred as a lead character in the ABC sitcom Room for Two. The series was canceled after two seasons. In 1994, she starred in another short-lived sitcom, Someone Like Me, it lasted on NBC only six episodes. Later that year, Heaton appeared in the comedy-drama film, The New Age. In 1995, she starred opposite Delta Burke in the CBS sitcom Women of the House, a spin-off of Designing Women. The series also was canceled after one season.

1996—2018: Everybody Loves Raymond and The Middle
In 1996, Heaton landed the role of Debra Barone in the CBS sitcom Everybody Loves Raymond opposite Ray Romano. The series received positive reviews and has been on top ten television rankings and won Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Comedy Series two times. She was nominated in each of the series' last seven seasons for the Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Lead Actress in a Comedy Series, winning in 2000 and 2001. With her win in 2000, she became the first of the cast members on the show to win an Emmy. She has also collected two Viewers for Quality Television Awards for Best Actress in a Quality Comedy Series and a Screen Actors Guild trophy for Outstanding Performance by an Ensemble in a Comedy Series and five Screen Actors Guild Award for Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in a Comedy Series nominations for her work on the series. The series ended in 2005 after nine seasons.

While starring on Everybody Loves Raymond, Heaton played the leading roles in a number of made-for-television movies. In 1997 she starred alongside Meredith Baxter and Della Reese in the drama film Miracle in the Woods. In 2001, she starred in the Christmas drama A Town Without Christmas. In 2004, she starred in the comedy-drama The Goodbye Girl, a remake of the 1977 film of the same name. For her performance, Heaton received Screen Actors Guild Award nomination for Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in a Miniseries or Television Movie. In 2005, she starred and produced the romantic comedy-drama film, The Engagement Ring.

In 2003, Heaton appeared in a series of television and radio commercials as spokesperson for the various incarnations of the grocery chain Albertsons, such as Acme, Jewel and Shaw's. Heaton also was featured on the cover of the company's 2003 and 2004 annual reports. In 2007, Albertsons created the Crazy About Food slogan/campaign and Heaton's association with the company ended. She has also appeared in advertisements for Pantene hair-care products. Heaton was the producer for the 2005 documentary The Bituminous Coal Queens of Pennsylvania, which was directed by her husband, David Hunt. She was also one of the producers of the William Wilberforce drama Amazing Grace (2006).

In 2006, Heaton played United States Ambassador Barbara Bodine in the controversial miniseries The Path to 9/11 about the 1993 World Trade Center bombing in New York City and the events leading up to the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Also that year, she starred and produced the untitled ABC comedy pilot about a widowed mother who joins the P.T.A. where she befriends two women she initially dislikes. In January 2007, Heaton returned to the stage to co-star with Tony Shalhoub in the off-Broadway play The Scene at Second Stage Theatre in New York City. For this performance, Heaton was nominated in the Outstanding Lead Actress category for the 22nd Lucille Lortel Awards. From 2007 to 2008, she starred with Kelsey Grammer in the Fox comedy series, Back to You. The show about a squabbling anchors of a news program was canceled in May 2008. For her performance, she was nominated for the Satellite Award for Best Actress – Television Series Musical or Comedy at the 10th Satellite Awards. In 2008, she starred in the Hallmark Hall of Fame movie Front of the Class, based on the real story of a mother, Ellen Cohen, raising a son, Brad Cohen, who has Tourette syndrome.

In 2009, Heaton began starring as Frankie Heck in the ABC comedy series, The Middle. The series received positive reviews from critics and lasted nine seasons with 215 produced episodes. She received Critics' Choice Television Award nomination for Critics' Choice Television Award for Best Actress in a Comedy Series in 2011. In 2011, Heaton was ranked at number 24 on the TV Guide Network special, Funniest Women on TV. She received a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame on May 22, 2012. Her production company is FourBoys Entertainment. She starred and produced the 2014 comedy film, Moms' Night Out. The film was released by Sony Pictures Releasing on May 9, 2014 receiving mostly negative reviews from critics.

In October 2015, Heaton began hosting Patricia Heaton Parties, a cooking show on Food Network. The program showcases party-friendly foods and home-entertaining tips. The series won a Daytime Emmy Award in 2016 for Outstanding Culinary Program. The show ended after two seasons. She also did voice over work in the animated films The Star (2017) and Smallfoot (2018).

2019—present
In 2019, Heaton returned to television with starring and producing the CBS comedy series, Carol's Second Act. The series received average reviews from critics, but her performance was praised. Carol's Second Act was canceled after single season in 2020. Heaton wrote a book called Your Second Act: Inspiring Stories of Transformation with a release date of July 21, 2020. The following year, it was announced that Heaton began producing her new sitcom for Fox. Two years later it was announced that Heaton will star as the host of an upscale lifestyle show, sent to prison for embezzlement and tax evasion. She gets out after two years, forgotten and broke, and moves to Tennessee to live with her estranged sister.

In 2022, Heaton starred opposite Brian Cox in a drama film, Mending the Line directed by Joshua Caldwell. It received positive reviews from film critics. It received limited release on June 9, 2023. She starred in the drama film The Unbreakable Boy for Lionsgate. In 2023, she was cast in the leading role in the psychological horror-thriller film, The Beldham.

Personal life
Heaton has been married to English actor and director David Hunt since 1990. They have four sons and as of 2002, they divide their time between Los Angeles and Cambridge. Her memoir, Motherhood and Hollywood: How to Get a Job Like Mine, was published by Villard Books in 2002.

After her divorce from her first husband, Constantine Yankoglu, she went through a self-described "Protestant wilderness". As of June 2017, Heaton's first marriage had been annulled by the Catholic Church and she had returned to being a practicing Catholic.

Heaton has been open about having plastic surgery; citing having a tummy-tuck and a breast reduction after undergoing four Caesarean sections.

In a 2020 interview for Parade, Heaton revealed that she had quit drinking two years prior.

Politics
Heaton's political views have been described as conservative, and until 2021, she was a registered Republican. In 2016, she voiced her disapproval of her party's then-presidential nominee Donald Trump. She later stated that she had "given up politics" following the election, but continued to express her admiration for Mitt Romney. After the January 6 United States Capitol attack, Heaton announced that she would leave the Republican Party and become an independent voter.

Abortion and birth control
Heaton is a committed pro-life activist and is vocally supportive of groups and causes opposing abortion, euthanasia, and the death penalty. Heaton's advocacy became particularly visible during the debate regarding the Terri Schiavo case. In addition, Heaton is honorary chair of Feminists for Life, an organization which opposes abortion and embryonic stem cell research and supports other pro-life causes on the basis of feminism.

On February 29, 2012, Heaton criticized Georgetown University law student Sandra Fluke, who advocated in favor of a contraceptive mandate for health insurance plans; Heaton said on Twitter, "I don't care if anyone uses birth control – just don't charge me for it", and wrote a series of tweets mocking Fluke's activism, as well as retweeting similar remarks from her followers. After incurring criticism, Heaton apologized and deleted most of the posts.

Other views
In August 2006, Heaton's name was in an advertisement in the Los Angeles Times that condemned Hamas and Hezbollah and supported Israel in the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict. In October 2023, Heaton was a vocal supporter of Israel during the 2023 Israel–Hamas war, releasing a video in which she compared the conflict to the Holocaust during World War II, and encouraged her followers to donate through the Beth Jacob Congregation.

In October 2006, Heaton appeared in a commercial opposing a Missouri state constitutional amendment concerning embryonic stem cell research, which subsequently passed. The advertisement was a response to the election of Democratic Senate hopeful Claire McCaskill and aired at the same time as Michael J. Fox's advertisement supporting the amendment. Appearing with Heaton were actor Jim Caviezel, St. Louis Cardinals pitcher Jeff Suppan, Seattle Mariner Mike Sweeney, and St. Louis Rams/Arizona Cardinals quarterback Kurt Warner. Following a public outcry, Heaton later said she regretted doing the ad and sent an apology to Fox, saying she was unaware of his ad. Fox accepted her apology and later stated, "If we can have a healthy dialogue about issues that people see differently, that's marvelous."

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Talk:King of Skiffle

Original content: "Now one day whilst in a hurry, He missed a lady's bin: He hadn't gone but a few yards When she chased after him. "What game do you think you're playing?" She cried right from the 'eart, "You've missed me, am I too late?" "No, jump up on the cart!"

Oi! My old man's a dustman, He wears a dustman's hat, He wears cor-blimey trousers And he lives in a council flat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Niteowlneils (talk • contribs) 13 May 2004

 * Removed most of this to avoid copyright violation issues. Lawikitejana 02:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Song title redirect
Why does My Old Man's a Dustman redirect here? Is it an alternative title? Rmhermen 20:35, May 13, 2004 (UTC)
 * I expect it's because this is the album on which it appears (and possibly the one on which it first appeared). --Lawikitejana 02:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I can say it's definitely NOT true that this is where the song first appears, considering my parents used to sing it as children (they are now in their 60s) and it is a traditional cockney song. 82.3.50.60 (talk) 13:39, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Broken Link
The link to My Old Man's a Dustman appears to be broken. Can someone fix? 91.84.13.71 20:56, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Mule Skinner Blues
Lonnie Donegan's cd album from 1999. Does anyone know of a LP version of this? Dave Waller

Dave Waller: I have a German double album of same name, released 1970. It has three more tracks than the CD. PhilR —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phlopp (talk • contribs) 13:59, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:Kīlauea

New eruption or reactivation
So an editor here is calling this a new eruption when in reality its the resumption of the summit eruption since HVO didn't declare the eruption after it paused in May over

Am i right or wrong HavocPlayz (talk) 11:54, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

 * I think you are wrong. The USGS HVO uses the rule set by the Smithsonian Global Volcanism Program that any volcanic activity that occurs more than 90 days after the end of a previous eruption is regarded as a new eruption, see, for example, https://www.usgs.gov/center-news/volcano-watch-ninety-days-no-lava-a-milestone-k-lauea-s-2018-eruption and https://volcano.si.edu/gvp_currenteruptions.cfm. The previous eruption of Kilauea ended in late May 2021, see https://www.usgs.gov/volcanoes/kilauea/recent-eruption?qt-science_support_page_related_con=0#qt-science_support_page_related_con . Therefore, activity after late August 2021 is a new eruption, see e.g.

https://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hans2/index/notice/DOI-USGS-HVO-2021-08-31T13:29:29-07:00 and https://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hans2/index/notice/DOI-USGS-HVO-2021-09-29T18:28:16-07:00. It is not yet listed as a new eruption by the Smithsonian GVP because their database of eruptions is currently as of 19 August 2021, see https://volcano.si.edu/ and their most recent weekly activity report https://volcano.si.edu/reports_weekly.cfm covers the period to 28 September 2021, the day before the new eruption started at Kilauea. GeoWriter (talk) 14:11, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

I thought the rule was like 5 months but it was a vague memory.thx for the clarification HavocPlayz (talk) 16:29, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Is the eruption over or it might be a temporary pause?
As USGS states: "Kīlauea volcano has been erupting from a single vent in the western wall of Halemaʻumaʻu crater. As of this morning, December 5, 2021, the rate of eruption continues to be very low and any activity is difficult to view given the current weather. All recent lava activity has been confined within Halemaʻumaʻu crater in Hawai‘i Volcanoes National Park."

Summit Observations: Lava effusion from the western vent decreased significantly Friday afternoon, accompanied by a decrease in volcanic tremor. Both remain low this morning. A minor deflationary tilt signal recorded on summit tiltmeters that began on Friday afternoon has stabilized and there was little change in tilt over the past 24 hours. The most recent measurement of Sulfur dioxide (SO2) emission rates on November 29, 2021 was approximately 1200 tonnes per day obtained. However, continuous instrument measurements indicate that SO2 emission rates have decreased with the change in eruption rate. Earthquake activity remains below background.

Although it's too early to tell if it's too early to know if it's just a pause or if the eruption is over, the earthquakes remained deep, but at a similarly low rate, I believe the eruption will come to an end. I don't know much.

I think the link would help: see here. More at Volcano Updates.

--2A02:2F01:6320:1100:15A8:E750:A7E9:FF23 (talk) 11:10, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

 * I don't know much either. There was deflation at the summit on Friday was replaced by inflationary tilt within the last 24 hours or so, but the eruption hasn't resumed so there's that. However, the update states that this is the "fourth such pause since the eruption began on September 29 and a return to earlier rates of eruption is possible." We don't even mention the other three pauses in the article. That said, I think it would be fine to mention the pause in the article itself, but I don't think we should add or change a date in the infobox unless something more definitive comes out of USGS. I believe during the December 2020 eruption, we waited until USGS issued a volcanic activity notice stating "Kilauea is no longer erupting" before changing infobox dates. Aoi (青い) (talk) 19:52, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

The vent has reactivated is again supplying lava to the lake. The pause wasn't noted outside of the daily VNS reports by USGS and it wasn't widely covered by other sources, so I no longer think we need to address it in the text now that the eruption has resumed. Aoi (青い) (talk) 06:18, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

2023
Seeing as the latest summit eruption has ceased as of March 7, nearly two weeks ago, I have briefly noted this fact with an AP-sourced update to the article body, lede and infobox. This information will be helpful to those wishing to visit and view active lava, which is currently not possible, and other readers seeking accurate information as to the status of the volcano. It may be a pause, or the end of the eruption, but either way, this fact should be included in the article, in my view. Cheers! Jusdafax (talk) 13:39, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Since the summit again active is after a three month pause, I have created a 2023 subsection. Jusdafax (talk) 03:29, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I have now updated the 2023 subsection, article lede and infobox to note the latest pause in the eruption. Jusdafax (talk) 18:41, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Science and colonialism
— Assignment last updated by Leilani Gibo (talk) 02:44, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Halemaʻumaʻu activity between Sept. 2021 and March 2023 characterized by HVO as two separate eruptions
The Hawaiian Volcano Observatory's website now characterizes the January 2023-March 2023 activity within Halemaʻumaʻu as a separate eruption from the September 2021-December 2022 activity. See this summary of the recent summit activity. Similarly, on this page, HVO notes that the activity that began on January 5, 2023, occurred from different vents in a different part of Halemaʻumaʻu as the 2021-2022 activity (specifically, the more recent eruption vents were on the eastern part of the crater while the earlier eruption was from vents in the western part of the crater). Aoi (青い) (talk) 01:01, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

 * However, in contrast, the Global Volcanism Program classifies the March 2023 activity as a second episode of the September 2021 eruption, rather than a separate eruption: . Aoi (青い) (talk) 22:04, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Volcano Erupting again?
Just found this on the USGS website, there was a recent update this morning stating that a new eruption has occurred. Can someone smart update this page? 137.119.67.217 (talk) 15:21, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

 * Thanks to Aoi for reflecting this in the info box, mad respect 137.119.67.217 (talk) 15:28, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Statement removed from lead
In this diff, I removed the following statement from the lead:

"In connection with the 2018 lower Puna eruption the Hawaiian Volcano Observatory predicted that a catastrophic collapse was 'extremely unlikely'."

I removed it because (1) there is no other discussion of a "catastrophic collapse" in the lead so it really wouldn't be clear to a casual reader what the context of such a collapse would be, and (2) expanding the lead to include the necessary context seemed to me to be WP:UNDUE.

Perhaps this statement and the reference could be integrated into the body somewhere, but it wasn't clear to me exactly where it would go. There is a short statement on the Hilina fault system in the article, but the section does not go into the "catastrophic landslide" theories that have circulated on social media. If I recall correctly, there used to be some discussion of this in the article but, if this is true, the discussion was removed at some point. Aoi (青い) (talk) 20:29, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Aoi (青い) (talk) 20:29, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

 * Good work, thanks. Jusdafax (talk) 09:28, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

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Tussilago

Tussilago farfara, commonly known as coltsfoot, is a plant in the tribe Senecioneae in the family Asteraceae, native to Europe and parts of western and central Asia. The name "tussilago" is derived from the Latin tussis, meaning cough, and ago, meaning to cast or to act on. It has had uses in traditional medicine, but the discovery of toxic pyrrolizidine alkaloids in the plant has resulted in liver health concerns.

Tussilago farfara is the only accepted species in the genus Tussilago, although more than two dozen other species have at one time or another been considered part of this group. Most of them are now regarded as members of other genera (Chaptalia, Chevreulia, Farfugium, Homogyne, Leibnitzia, Petasites, Senecio).

Description
Coltsfoot is a perennial herbaceous plant that spreads by seeds and rhizomes. Tussilago is often found in colonies of dozens of plants. The flowers, which superficially resemble dandelions, bear scale-leaves on the long stems in early spring. The leaves of coltsfoot, which appear after the flowers have set seed, wither and die in the early summer. The flower heads are of yellow florets with an outer row of bracts. The plant is typically 10–30 cm in height. The leaves have angular teeth on their margins.

Distribution
Coltsfoot is widespread across Europe, Asia, and North Africa, from Svalbard to Morocco to China and the Russian Far East. It is also a common plant in North and South America where it has been introduced, most likely by settlers as a medicinal item, or to provide early blooms for honeybees. The plant is often found in waste and disturbed places and along roadsides and paths. In some areas it is considered an invasive species.

Name
The common name comes from the leaf's supposed resemblance in shape to a colt's foot. It is a 16th-century translation of the medieval Latin name pes pulli, meaning "foal's foot". Other common names include tash plant, ass's foot, bull's foot, coughwort (Old English), farfara, foal's foot, foalswort, and horse foot. Sometimes it is confused with Petasites frigidus, or western coltsfoot.

It has been called bechion, bechichie, or bechie, from the Ancient Greek word for "cough". Also ungula caballina ("horse hoof"), and chamæleuce.

Uses
Coltsfoot has been used in herbal medicine and has been consumed as a food product with some confectionery products, such as Coltsfoot Rock. Tussilago farfara leaves have been used in traditional Austrian medicine internally (as tea or syrup) or externally (directly applied) for treatment of disorders of the respiratory tract, skin, locomotor system, viral infections, flu, colds, fever, rheumatism and gout. An extract of the fresh leaves has also been used to make cough drops and hard candy.

Coltsfoot is used as a food plant by the larvae of some Lepidoptera species including the Gothic and small angle shades. It is also visited by honeybees, providing pollen and nectar.

Toxicity
Tussilago farfara contains tumorigenic pyrrolizidine alkaloids. Senecionine and senkirkine, present in coltsfoot, have the highest mutagenetic activity of any pyrrolozidine alkaloid, tested using Drosophila melanogaster to produce a comparative genotoxicity test.

Two cases of supposed liver damage (and death) due to coltsfoot tea have been shown to actually be the result of mistaken identity. In one, coltsfoot tea causing severe liver problems in an infant was actually the result of Adenostyles alliariae (alpendost). In another case, an infant developed liver disease and died because the mother drank tea originally believed to contain coltsfoot during her pregnancy, but which was later shown to be Petasites hybridus (butterbur) or a similar species. In one 27-year-old male, ingesting a multicomponent herbal supplement that included coltsfoot may have caused him to develop non-lethal deep vein thrombosis and pulmonary embolism.

In response, the German government banned the sale of coltsfoot. Clonal plants of coltsfoot free of pyrrolizidine alkaloids were then developed in Austria and Germany. This has resulted in the development of the registered variety Tussilago farfara 'Wien', which has no detectable levels of these alkaloids.

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Talk:Mount Dana

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def. not the 18th highest in cali. Aggesiz (sp) in the palisades i know is the 20th highest in CA at well over 13800. there are 13 14ers in CA and numerous peaks in the very high 13000s.

Um, ropes? Having climbed both Dana and Lyell, I can assert that neither require ropes, though crampons and an axe on Lyell may be useful. So while Dana doesn't require ropes, it's not unique in this aspect, and Lyell is the higher peak.

Mt. Lyell does not require ropes. We've climbed it with just an ice axe. Asserting that Mt. Dana is the highest in Yosemite that does not require ropes is incorrect.

 * Agree hike395 04:10, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I also thought that Dana was named after Richard Henry Dana, first time I've heard otherwise.

 * Added a citation for name origin, feel free to verify hike395 04:10, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Contested info moved to talk

 * Temperatures can drop very quickly, with hot 100 °F (38 °C) weather dropping to freezing levels during a hailstorm.

Please do not return this information to the article without a citation to support it.-- Birgitte SB  22:16, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

First Ascent
I removed Josiah Whitney's name which was listed as one of the first to climb Dana. Roper says just Brewer and Hoffmann. Farquhar reports "Whitney spoke of it as an easy trip for tourists. (Whitney Survey: Geology, 1865, p. 435.)." I guess the most that can be said is that Brewer and Hoffmann made the first recorded ascent. -- droll  [chat]  02:14, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I changed the date from 1864 to 1863. The names of the first ascenders are correct. Josiah Whitney climbed it with them the day following the first ascent. The source is Farquhar, Francis P., History of the Sierra Nevada, 1965, University of California Press, Berkeley, ISBN: 0-520-01551-7, page 131. I want to insert the citation but cannot figure out how to do that in a sidebar template. It seems I have to create the source first. If someone can change the source from Secor to the Farquhar, while leaving Secor as the source of the Easiest Route information, please go ahead.--Robertsturner52 (talk) 05:51, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

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User talk:Morgan695/Archives 1

New User instruments addition
I see you recently added Category:User recorder and etc. You seem to have extra user-page templates: some with 'recorder' and some with 'rec', and also 'rec1', 'rec2', and 'rec3' (which are useless). You only need the ones with 'recorder' or with 'rec', but not both. You should list the remainder on WP:SD, according to general criterion #7 on WP:CSD. Ddawson 16:39, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

userbox
Why'd you change the {{user not narrow} } userbox? I wanted it to have blue text and take up 3 lines. Is there a specific reason?

-- ¿ WhyBeNormal ? 04:45, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * You're right, it looks better without being on three lines, but I don't think it looks as good without the blue bold font. It doesn't fit all on one line, so I made it two. What do you think? -- ¿ WhyBeNormal ? 06:00, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Religions as interests
Thank you for your comment on my userpage. Are you saying that religious people don't consider their religions interests? What categorization do you propose? —James S. 00:59, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

 * Let me try to make that part less crouded and let me know what you think, please. —James S. 01:07, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

By the way, have you read the capitalization guidelines for subject headings yet? They are in the tutorial. Still working on Interests. —James S. 01:52, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry that I offended you. I've been shuffling userboxes all day, trying to figure out what the latest thinking on depleted uranium is from a nice lady who likes to call it GENOCIDE and a NUCLEAR WEAPON (which doesn't help the cause much), and plus I'm trying to explain to the climate change/global warming people what they're in for in terms of extreme weather. It's my fault that I can't please you as fast as I would like to, not yours. Oh, and I also sorted all the religions by their approximate age. Quick, which is older, Judaism or the Hindu faith? I can't wait until someone complains that my fairly arbitrary decision based on approximate anthropology and historical guesswork shows I'm biased. Please forgive me. —James S. 04:57, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Bicycle userbox
Hi, you've recently removed a good portion of the code for Template:User bicycling. Can you provide an explanation? jareha 02:43, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Edit summaries
I see, based on your previous contributions, that you don't tend to provide edit summaries. From the Wikipedia guidelines on the topic:

 * Provide an edit summary is one of Wikipedia's guidelines. Even a short summary is better than no summary.

Doing so may reduce the kind of confusion I experienced with the userbox edit I've mentioned above. jareha 02:43, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: Electronics template
Hello, I saw that you changed the template to read "This user enjoys electronics". Well, the purpose behind that template was to say that a particular user has electronics DIY as his/her hobby. Saying "user enjoys electronics" doesn't make this clear - it can mean anything from an academic interest to interest in gadgets. Consider rewording or creating a new template (if one doesn't already exist) for users who enjoy electronics. Rohitbd 09:14, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: Naturalist template
No problem to change the image, if you have something good. I did not so I started with that intending for someone like you to come along and propose something better ;-) --Censorwolf 20:13, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Good choice Morgan! --Censorwolf 20:46, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Template:User plagiarism
If by you mean changing it by the colour scheme and/or maybe adding a pic instead of "Bad", sure, I'm all for it. Croat Canuck 00:36, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I fixed the rainbow box so it should look okay now--God_of War 00:40, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Template:User punk
Hi! I decided to remove anarchy symbol from this template, as not all punks are anarchists, and some are even against. CCMichalZ 08:21, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Help me
Cryptic has locked the userbox page to enforce his removal of the notice about the usebox dispute and the notice of his own vandalism of the page. I need an admin to unlock this page!--God_of War 01:20, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

RFC
I have opened a RFC (see Requests for comment/Snowspinner 3) against Snowspinner, in part because of his out-of-process block against you. Feel free to endorse or comment. Firebug 17:20, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

userbox proposed policy
Hi - there have been some slight alterations to my proposal (#4) subsequent to your support. I would be greatful if you could re-read the proposition and re-sign your name below the line if you still agree. Thanks, Deano (Talk) 20:21, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Template: User Siamese
Why did you change the formatting as well as the text of this template? Is there some rule about consistency across userboxes? I serously hope there's not a big debate going on about this, because we intellectuals really should be focusing our attention elsewhere. (Sorry if I seem crass, but I received on my talk page a rather disturbing request to "delete" one of my userboxes, and this just added icing to that cake.)  ℬ astique ▼ parℓer ♥ voir ♑ 13:33, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Emotion templates

 * Nice images you added to the templates, they look alot more professional now :-) - [[Image:Union flag 1606 (Kings Colors).svg|20px|UK]] «ßØÛ®ßÖÑ§3» Talk 16:43, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Templates_for_deletion
One of your keep votes may be in the wrong place - it is placed in cemerery but I suspect it refers to User soup nazi. You may wish to move it. -- SGBailey 21:56, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Picture Size
Why do you resize the picture to 40px. The box can hold up to 45px and I hate that ugly border around the pictures.--God of War 19:40, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It's because he's a 40px nazi. Yours is not the only userbox that's getting punk'd. --  [[Image:Flag_of_Iceland.svg|25px|IS]] Guðsþegn – UTCE – 15:38, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Except, I noticed, when it comes to his own userboxes (the "queer support" flag is bigger than 40px). Ahh, hypocrisy.  [[Image:Flag_of_Iceland.svg|25px|IS]] Guðsþegn – UTCE – 15:44, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Belated welcome
Hi, first of all, you've been here since May and no-one seems to have welcomed you. So, a belated welcome to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and our sole purpose here is to make it a better one. I hope you can continue to help with that. I've noticed (from your edit count) that you havn't actually edited many articles (64) while you've been editing a lot of templates (800) and contributing to a lot of deletion and process debates (315). Templates and process exist for the sole purpose of building the encyclopedia. Wikipedia is not simply a virtual community or a discussion board. Anyway, I didn't come here to tell you off, but to invite you to turn your skills and obvious enthusiasm to the encyclopedia itself - I am sure you have got a lot to offer it. Thanks. --Doc ask? 10:45, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Note from Jimbo
I wonder if you might consider...

I wonder if you might consider simply removing your political userboxes and asking others to do the same. This seems to me to be the best way to quickly and easily end the userbox wars.

Userboxes of a political or, more broadly, polemical, nature are bad for the project. They are attractive to the wrong kinds of people, and they give visitors the wrong idea of what it means to be a Wikipedian.

I think rather than us having to go through a mass deletion (which is what is likely to happen if the userbox fad doesn't go away), it will be better to simply change the culture, one person at a time. Will you help me?--Jimbo Wales 10:53, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I saw that you said somewhere you thought this message was 'scarily cryptic'. I didn't intend for it to be. It's just a personal request.--Jimbo Wales 19:24, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Userbox edits

 * You do know that you can make more than one change at a time, dont you? Because every time you change a userbox, u seem take about 4 gazillion edits (none of which are marked minor, when they should be) intsead of just 1. Please use the preview button in the future! - • Dussst •  T 14:55, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

user freedom
Gmaxwell has reverted this box for the fourth time, what can we do about this?--God of War 05:05, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Your reverts on Template:User freedom
Please don't revert my edits without discussion. I'm trying to improve the user box: My changes are not vandalism. What is your complaint about my changes? --Gmaxwell 05:14, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I added a note on 3RR. You are welcome to comment. Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR

Blocked for a bit.
Okay, I've blocked you for three hours for edit warring on Template:User freedom. Go do something else for a bit. Thanks.--Sean|Bla ck 06:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Useful link
Special:Random will take you to a random article where you can do some work and help everybody else out. I highly recommend it. Whee! silsor 09:59, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

User NRA
Why can't a free use image be used in a userbox. -- AmeriCan 19:47, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I can help!
With the Resident Evil to do list, as you can see i've expanded much of the Arklay Mountains, Arklay Research Facility, and several other related articles! Thanks Empty2005 05:39, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

An Esperanzial note
As I remember, the last spam that was handed out was on the 20th of December last year, so I think it's time for another update. First and foremost, the new Advisory Council and Administrator General have been elected. They consist of myself as Admin General and FireFox, Titoxd, Flcelloguy and Karmafist as the Advisory Council. We as a group met formally for the first time on the 31st of Decembe. The minutes of this meeting can be found at WP:ESP/ACM. The next one is planned for tonight (Sunday 29 January) at 20:30 UTC and the agenda can be found at WP:ESP/ACM2.

In other news, Karmafist has set up a discussion about a new personal attack policy, which it can be found here. Other new pages include an introductory page on what to do when you sign up, So you've joined Esperanza... and a welcome template: EA-welcome (courtesy of Bratsche). Some of our old hands may like to make sure they do everything on the list as well ;) Additionally, the userpage award program proposal has become official is operational: see Esperanza/User Page Award to nominate a userpage or volunteer as a judge. Also see the proposed programs page for many new proposals and old ones that need more discussion ;)

Other than that, I hope you all had a lovely Christmas and wish you an Esperanzially good new WikiYear :D Thank you! --Cel e stianpower háblame 16:57, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

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Okies
Will do ! Empty2005 06:46, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikimedia Canada
Hi there! I'd like to invite you to explore Wikimedia Canada, and create a list of people interested in forming a local chapter for our nation. A local chapter will help promote and improve the organization, within our great nation. We'd also like to encourage everyone to suggest projects for our national chapter to participate in. Hope to see you there!--DarkEvil 17:11, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Harper box
Hey there's plenty of provocative anti-GWB boxes. ;) Kelvinc 00:29, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Resident Evil
Hey Morgan, just wanted to let you know that I have delisted Resident Evil from CVG Peer Review as it has not received a reply in two weeks. Feel free to re-add it as you like. Hope to see it on WP:FAC soon :)  Lord  ViD 20:40, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:User gw1
How exactly does one "support" global warming? Morgan695 00:07, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * You're against measures to avoid it, because you think it is beneficial. Smerdis of Tlön 01:37, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Another Esperanzial note...
Hi again Esperanzians! Well, since our last frolic in the realms of news, the Advisory Council has met twice more (see WP:ESP/ACM2 and WP:ESP/ACM3). As a result, the charter has been ammended twice (see here for details) and all of the shortcuts have been standardised (see the summary for more details). Also of note is the Valentines ball that will take place in the Esperanza IRC channel on the 14th of February (tomorrow). It will start at 6pm UTC and go on until everyone's had enough! I hope to see you all there! Also, the spamlist has been dissolved - all Esperanzians will now recieve this update "newsletter".

The other major notice I need to tell you about is the upcoming Esperanza Advisory Council Elections. These will take place from 12:00 UTC on February 20th to 11:59 UTC on February 27th. The official handing-over will take place the following day. Candidates are able to volunteer any time before the 20th, so long as they are already listed on the members list. Anyone currently listed on the memberlist can vote. In a change since last time, if you have already been a member of the leadership, you may run again. Due to the neutrality precident, I will not vote for anyone.

Yours, as ever, Esperanzially,

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Since this isn't the result of an AC meeting, I have decided to go Old Skool. This note is to remind you that the elections are taking place now and will end at 23:50 UTC on 2006-04-29. Please vote here. Thanks. --Cel es tianpower háblame 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

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Voting on FPC
Hi Morgan, I was just wondering if you'd consider voting on some of the other lovely nominations? And maybe experiment with the word "support" as well. I'm not sure if you are doing it on purpose and you've got something against me, but your contributions to WP:FPC seem to be in opposing my noimnations. --Fir0002 03:27, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

A short Esperanzial update
As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. See what happened. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.

As a result, we are electing 4 people this month. They will replace JoanneB and Pschemp and form a new tranche A, serving until December. Elections will begin on 2006-07-02 and last until 2006-07-09. If you wish to run for a Council position, add your name to the list before 2006-07-02. For more details, see Esperanza/June 2006 elections.

Thanks and kind, Esperanzial regards, —Cel es tianpower háblame 16:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

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Specifically where do I nominate a page for inclusion in this template? I believe that July 2006 in video gaming (current events in video games) deserves inclusion. Morgan695 01:51, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
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Defunct Ontario ridings
Hi, there's a map of the ridings at my school's library which I took photos of and I have them on file. If you want, I can send you a copy of the photo with Durham Centre. -- Earl Andrew - talk 07:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Sent. Don't forget the article should be Durham—York not Durham--York. -- Earl Andrew - talk 18:51, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't know for sure. I know there's an atlas at school that shows the 1977-1987 borders... -- Earl Andrew - talk 00:46, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

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Your new Quebec political parties template
Great idea. If you need icons for it, some exist already at Userboxes/Location/Canada. Hope this helps!! GreenJoe 03:29, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you!!
Thanks for your hard work on the provincial political party templates. See your kudos. GreenJoe 23:00, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

You are more than welcome. Keep up the hard work. --GreenJoe 23:55, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: the Images
Hey Morgan695, Good job on creating those provincial political party boxes. I've notice you've uploaded some images to wikipedia, and I've also noticed that you've copied some of my images and modified them. There's nothing wrong with that, and I'm all for it, but I was wondering if you could attribute them to the original image that you modified them. Just asking because I spent a lot of time creating them. Anyhoo, good job on the boxes. Nat Tang ta 04:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you! :D Nat Tang ta 04:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

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User talk:RainerBlome

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Pythgorean theorem & law of cosines
These are pretty firmly established math concepts for triangles, so the formula works. Yes, actually, really - as you have discovered: Merry Christmas! I see that you don't like having the Pythagorean theorem & Law of cosines mentioned in the article about spokes. Why do you consider your box (which I can't follow) to be better? Metarhyme 22:10, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

When I first found the formula on the web, I tried to understand why it should be correct. So I thought "How do I compute the length of a spoke?" and saw that a spoke is the diagonal of the described imaginary box. My explanation of the box is supposed to be understandable by everyone who knows basic trigonometry. Apparently it has to be improved. A picture would be nice here (fixed).

The Pythagorean theorem is implicitly used twice to compute the length of the boxes diagonal (d²=(a²+b²)+c²). This is true for all boxes, so I linked to rectangular box and saw no need to explicitly state that information on the spoke page. However, I just checked the box page and indeed, it does not show how to compute the length of the diagonal (fixed).

I do not see where the law of cosines should be applied here, can you explain? Which would be the sides of the triangle, where would the angle be? --RainerBlome 10:15, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

 * $$c^2 = a^2 + b^2 - 2ab \cos C . \;$$

 * looks like the law of cosines to me. The Pythagorean theorem is explicitly used once, in the first part of the spoke length calculation formula. The c in c² comes from the second part of the spoke length calculation formula - and that is the law of cosines, I would say. Do you agree?

Hm, "first part", "second part", what are you referring to? I do not understand your explanation. Anyway, I had a third look. Now I see how to apply the law of cosines to get the spoke length formula and added a corresponding paragraph to the article. Using the law of cosines yields (of course) the same result as doing $$(r_2 - r_1 \cos \alpha)^2 + (r_1 \sin \alpha)^2 = r_2^2 - 2 r_2 r_1 \cos \alpha + r_1^2 (\cos^2 \alpha + \sin^2 \alpha = 1).$$  You might say that this proves instead of uses the law of cosines. Going this way has the advantage (for me) that it's more elementary, no need to remember the law of cosines.

 * No original work is permitted in wikipedia, so if you figure something out, you need to find where someone else did it (citation) before placing it in article space.

The link to my source is there. The derivation section makes it easier to verify the formula.

 * You found the sides and angle with your look number three. A 3D diagram would be clearer. If I make one, I'll show it to you before I post it. I may add a technique to get accurate dimensions for cases where ERD and hub measurements don't exist or are suspect - akin to the calc walk through - and post it to Talk if I get around to it. Metarhyme 20:55, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi there!
Seriously, I'm making this edit to say hello because this is the loneliest talk page for an active contributor I've ever seen. Keep up your good work. Keegan talk 05:27, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. You too! --RainerBlome 11:40, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Moore-Penrose pseudoinverse
Jmath666, Let's continue the discussion on the article's Talk page, where it is easier to associate and salvage discussion results to the article. --RainerBlome 09:03, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

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Udwadia-Kalaba
Hi. I have enjoyed discussing with you the significance of Udwadia and Kalaba's formulation of constrained systems. Your response to me was good, but I would like more time to study your references to see if I now agree with you about its notability. This is in reference to our discussion at Talk:Udwadia-Kalaba formulation. As of now, when I study their paper, the result itself comes across as a relatively minor application of the M-P Pseudoinverse. In fact, the application of the pseudoinverse to project the dynamical equations to the tangent plane to the constraints is such a standard thing that no one I know (my included) has tried to write it up as a separate paper or call it a new formulation. Is there is a way for us to chat more to see if I can better convey my point of view to you, and also better understand why you think it is worthy of a page? Perhaps the talk page is the best way, but I think some of the issue is that we are not on the same page as to what constitutes a new formulation versus a widely used application of projection methods. --Madhu (talk) 01:50, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

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