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Talk:Hoobastank

Opening paragraph
Let's put them in scope of the rest of the music business. They had one top 40 crossover hit with "The Reason" and it's the only song that bears mentioning, admist mention of their continued success with the modern rock market. But don't list those lukewarm songs that only went top 40 US modern rock!

What I did:

Hoobastank (also colloquially referred to as "Hooba" or "The Stank") is a rock band best known for their crossover hit "The Reason" (2004) and by their continued succces in the modern rock market.

Criticism
I removed the criticism section as it contained almost no verifiable information and was not neutral. Terms like 'many people say' or 'many think' are indicative of inappropriate information for an encyclopedia article. It leads to biased phrases such as 'Many people say Hoobastank is a better band and far more popular than the Beatles' or 'Some say Hoobastank is actually a group of ill-tempered dingos disguised as musicians'. Unless there is a source for such statements that can be quoted and the information is relevant to the band's overall history, it should be left out.

Also, Sontra is absolutely right about the term 'pre-career'. You cannot have a pre-career after the band has been formed and begun performing. This was changed to early career.

Pre-Career
The term "Pre-Career" isn't accurate here. The entire second paragraph speaks of their career. "Pre-Fame" perhaps.

Sontra

Born to Lead
Was Born to Lead not the second single after If I Were You? Inside of You was released about a month later, and still doesn't have a video. I think the Inside of You single should be replaced with Born to Lead. its a better song anyway.

Discography
How sure are we about the Muffins demo tape in 1997 and the Target live EP of 2002. Allmusic.com does not list either record on their discography.

Seaeagle04

Although I do agree that releases should be verified, don't always take Allmusic's word as gospel, they do make mistakes from time to time- for one, they also don't list They Sure Don't Make Basketball Shorts Like They Used on their discography despite the fact we're all quite sure it exists.Mouseclicker

The Target EP definitely exists, I have it in my shelf. It might have been promo only since on the back it advertises their self titled album, but it is an actual album, so there's a yes on that. The Muffins demo tape - you never really know, but if it really is a demo tape, I don't think it should be listed as an album, I think an album is something that at least used to be available for purchase to everyone at some point

Hoobastank's discography is getting pretty big, so I think it should be split into a separate article. Gligoran —Preceding undated comment added 06:06, 5 February 2010 (UTC).

Hoobustank
Should it be mentioned that the original spelling of the band's name was Hoobustank, with a u, rather than Hoobastank, with an a? Also, I think it's noteworthy that there was a major shift in sound between the heavily funk inspired (with a dash of ska) They Sure Don't Make Basketball Shorts Like They Used To and the largely post-grunge self-titled album.

It could, but it is not the biggest deal. Shake 3000 (talk) 19:21, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

fan fallout
I think it should be menitoned that a lot of their (hoobustank) fans were lost after the release of the self titled Hoobastank album. As many felt they sold out themselves and the sax player for commercial sucess.

i think you're on crack

No, this is a valid assessment. While it is never possible to prove an act is a "sell-out" (unless the band specifically mentions it, like Kiss), one can attempt to correlate the timing of the change in sound with the acquisition of a recording deal while controlling for other variables.
 * Definitely. Also coming out with a self-titled album as your third album instead of your debut is pretty lame as well.

the REAL meaning of hoobastank
With my friends, the word "hoobastank" means slut or ho. :)

Speaking of the "real" meaning, after a free show in the late 1990s, I personally asked the sax player what the name meant and he told me that it was the way a phrase developed between the members in reference to flatulence. Originally, he said, it was "whose butt stank?" in reference to the person who farted, but when said quickly, it started to sound like "hoobustank." Does anyone think I should mention this? I can't corroborate the details since it was a personal conversation and there is no way to verify it as fact. I suppose it could be cited as a rumor or something similar...thoughts?

 * I would say no, as like you say, this is rumor and can't be cited or verified. Marc Hudson 08:35, 7 November 2006 (CST)

I think it's worth mentioning —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.155.190.157 (talk) 19:47, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

 * Hehe, this is funny information. Shake 3000 (talk) 19:22, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Clarification from Hesse
I interviewed Hesse last week and he added some clarification about the creation of the band, which I've added with a reference. Also, I changed the Yahoo Launchcast links to be Footnotes and added a Footnotes section as it seems more appropriate and in-line with Wikipedia tradition.

Marc Hudson 08:34, 7 November 2006 (CST)

Upcoming Album
I heard somewhere that they were working on a new album due out by the end of the year or perhaps early next year. Their website and the article don't say anything about it. I would like to know if they are or not. Sherlock32 22:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, they are working on a new album but there are no confirmed title or release date. Rashempashem 11:16, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

 * It says a release date within a couple weeks, wouldn't they need time to make them? Shake 3000 (talk) 19:20, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Some Changes
I replaced the picture with a more updated one and add a reference to the only statement that didn't have one in the article, now it's no longer lacking sources. I also mentioned the statement Dougg made for MTV News and added a bunch of other stuff. Rashempashem 13:36, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

For(N)ever section release date updated
I updated the For(N)ever 2008-present section release date citing the official website. Dreammaker182 17:24, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Twitter: HoobastankBand is not Hoobastank
The account that is doing the shock-site bait-and-switching is not, I repeat, not Hoobastank. This is Hoobastank's real Twitter; they even had the lead singer hold a sign up stating this, as seen here.

I had added this information to the article, but it was deleted by a user without a name, stating the reason for it's deletion being something about it being unsourced. It could be the fact that Twitter is momentarily down, but Twitpic is not, and the picture verification is clearly visible as of 09:23 PM EST, June 18, 2009.

Do we seriously need more proof than that to show that this is not the work of Hoobastank? --ToyoWolf (talk) 01:24, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Proposing Semi-lock for the page
Due to recent vandalism of the page by IP Address users (taking accurate information down, bait-and-switching to Photoshopped images and saying they're accurate), I propose a semi-lock for the Hoobastank page, at least for the time being, until this all blows over. --ToyoWolf (talk) 06:45, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Removal of info in Lead section
I'm thinking of removing the stuff about twitter and shock sites from the lead (but not the main text) based upon WP:LEAD, though I wanted to get other users input. Do editors here think this is a "notable controversy"?--Rayc (talk) 16:46, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

 * I personally don't think so, only a blog is really reporting it. It's not lead paragraph worthy. Sherlock32 (talk) 16:50, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it's notable enough to be in the lead Wood Thrush (talk) 20:13, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, the band even posted an official statement about it --68.44.113.16 (talk) 05:20, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Neither twitter page has been officially verified by Twitter
As twitter's verification system is the only official way to tell, it is premature (and dangerous) to make assumptions. I've reverted parts of the article to the side that has the brunt of the evidence. I don't know anything about this punk band one way or another, but it's clear that there is, at this point, MORE evidence that this is a Hooba-prank than not. Of course, a verification from twitter or a similar definitive repudiation in the public media would be enough to end this sorry chapter once and for all. 74.72.196.226 (talk) 00:11, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

 * On the official Hoobastank website www.hoobastank.com, their is a Twitter update thing right on the main page and the posts match up with the ones on Hoobastank not "Hoobastank Band". So to me Hoobastank looks more like the real deal to me - the overall look of the page is more "official" too.  There is also the possibility that both are real and they are just messing with us but no evidence currently suggests this to me. Sherlock32 (talk) 00:30, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

At this point, in my opinion, this looks like a genuine Hoobaprank, if you'll pardon my play on words. I've worked in the industry and trust me, if you were going to pull a publicity stunt of this magnitude you would add a little plausible deniability in case things went wrong. In my opinion this turned out more unpopular than anticipated and our boys are trying to distance themselves from it now. As for the post above me by user "Sherlock32", I applaud his "Holmesian" analysis but I would like to remind him, and everyone, that Wikipedia is not a place for original research. I encourage everyone to post their conjecture here on the discussion page, but I agree that we should postpone editing any more "theories" into the article itself until Twitter's official verification process has completed. Wood Thrush (talk) 03:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think that an allegation like this would require a secondary reliable source, particularly due to the BLP issues involved. I see that the text has now been removed. where there any non-twitter, blog or first party (www.hoobastank.com) sources on that? Rayc (talk) 21:00, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

 * There is literally zero chance that this can be included on their main page. No third-party reliable sources at all. How this was not removed sooner is beyond me. Svernon19 (talk) 22:37, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

This event prompted official responses from Hoobastank on their main website http://www.hoobastank.com/news/default.aspx?nid=4226&cmnt=1, I believe it should be included --68.44.113.16 (talk) 05:16, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

 * This issue is pretty simple. Besides being wildly POV, the section lacks reliable sources. Think about it -- if it's a huge controversy, why is THE ONLY SOURCE from the band's own website? This needs to be represented with reliable third-party sources. That's pretty much the end of the story. From WP:BLOP, "Avoid repeating gossip. Ask yourself whether the source is reliable; whether the material is being presented as true; and whether, even if true, it is relevant to an encyclopedia article about the subject. When less-than-reliable publications print material they suspect is untrue, they often include weasel phrases and attributions to anonymous sources. Look out for these. If the original publication doesn't believe its own story, why should we?"

 * I hate reporting people for stupid stuff like this, but it's a blatant violation of Wikipedia policies, so I'll do it if I have to. Svernon19 (talk) 03:16, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello S Vernon. I'm not sure what you meant by BLOP (Wikipedia doesn't seem to have a page for it, unless you meant Los Blops ;) ). I simply heard about the Tweeting incident and came to check it out on Wikipedia, only to find it in the middle of the edit war.  I assume that there are others visiting the page for the same reason, so is it not better to leave it up until we reach some sort of concensus?  It seems like real progress was being made by Sherlock32 and Wood Thrush in figuring out which account(s) should be listed, and your posts on the talk page make you seem like you're reacting a bit rashly.  Again, not trying to make anyone upset by this, just trying to keep the page up-to-date with recent events in the Hoobaverse.66.57.7.17 (talk) 04:43, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Edits by 69.225.251.134 and reverts
This user has made edits to this page that I consider disruptive; thus I have reverted them, but the user didn't agree and reverted again. Since similar edits have been made to a number of other articles, I am discussing the issue at User talk:69.225.251.134; I say this in case anyone is wondering whether any discussion about it is going on at all. --LjL (talk) 01:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

The other talk is at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style -lysdexia 02:07, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

 * That is specifically about the issue with using tables rather than columns/leaving-them-alone for "See also" lists, though, while I don't think that's the primary issue with regards to this article. --LjL (talk) 02:09, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

New picture?
Does anyone perhaps have a recent picture of the band? As the current one on the article is from 2006, when Josh Moreau was the bassist, but since then, he's left and was replaced by David Amezcua, who left and was replaced by Jesse Charland, who is the current bassist.

MightyJordan (talk) 08:30, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Members biography?
Is need Biruxx (talk) 22:50, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

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Hoobastank being largely nu-metal?
Hoobastank were never that largely of being nu-metal. They were always a post-grunge/alternative rock band with some pop rock hooks. Hoobastank had released about 5-6 albums, most of their albums have nothing to do with nu-metal. Some nu-metal fan decided to include nu metal because he loves the genre but that doesn't mean that every single rock band of the early 2000s were nu-metal. He added sources of Hoobastank being nu metal but those sources are old and only refers to some sounds of the Self titled debut album. It used to include nu-metal but for the early stuff which is true, a few sounds of the self titled album had some nu-metal but it was mostly post-grunge/alternative rock. It never was fully nu-metal. I am just trying to point that out.( Strangeguy91 (talk) 19:53, 17 September 2017 (UTC) )

Some of the genres in the infobox are a little messy?
Hi, I just wanted to point out that some of the genres in this band's article are a little messy. For one, it says Ska Punk and Funk Metal and Hoobastank never done that when they signed to Island Records. We are talking about Hoobastank in here, not Hoobustank which it was when they were originally a Funk Metal and Ska Punk band. Once, Hoobastank signed to Island Records, they wanted to change their name to apply to the new music that they were recording and planning to do, they were about to change their name completely but decided that it would be best just to replace the U with an A because people pronounce their name wrong at the time. They changed to a post-grunge/alternative rock style of music. Now, it says nu metal in the article infobox and I think that is unfair because I only hear the nu metal elements in their self titled album. Hoobastank released a lot of albums after the self titled and most of it has nothing to do with nu metal at all. The majority of the self titled is just post-grunge and alternative rock, the nu metal label should only be shown as early in the infobox. The funk metal and ska punk should be removed from the infobox but still be kept in the musical style because the musical style is more specific than the infobox. I also think that adding pop rock and alternative metal should be more appropriate in the infobox because Hoobastank seemed to mixed their post-grunge sound with alternative metal and pop rock stuff. ( Jasonlife (talk) 19:20, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Just an observation, funny how your use of  to encase your signature, just like the blocked account in the section above. Probably just a cawinkadink :P - FlightTime  ( open channel ) 19:35, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

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Muffins release - EP or album
Are there any sources, from third parties or the band, calling the Muffins release an EP or a full-album? I haven't been able to find any sources in a brief search, which makes me think it probably shouldn't even have its own article, but regardless, we still need to know how to classify it for the band's discography section and discography article. Sergecross73  msg me  14:29, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elena Filatova

This page is an archive of the discussion surrounding the proposed deletion of the page entitled Elena Filatova.

This page is kept as an historic record.

The result of the debate was to keep the article.

User:Cantus put VfD on Elena Filatova, but forgot to add it here. I have no opinion. Mikkalai 21:52, 23 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep - highly article-worthy. Further, Cantus has been around long enough to know to put VfD-message pages on the actual VfD page - David Gerard 23:00, May 23, 2004 (UTC)
 * There were two choices: either to remove his msg:vfd or to put it here. Mikkalai 00:56, 24 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Everyking 23:06, 23 May 2004 (UTC)
 * She's notable enough. Keep. -- Cyrius|✎ 23:22, May 23, 2004 (UTC)
 * Famous only for being on Slashdot, twice. Definately delete. Wyllium 23:52, 2004 May 23 (UTC)
 * And over what seemed like every goddamned blog in the world as well ... - David Gerard 07:08, May 24, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. I wouldn't say "highly article-worthy" ... but... (broken record) i've seen more obscure articles on Wikipedia.  blankfaze | &#9835 01:45, 24 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. - Hephaestos|§ 07:11, 24 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. So what if she isn't as well-known as Princess Di? As long as the information is correct. Abigail 12:24, May 24, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. People should generally not be in Wikipedia by having put up a fake Angelfire homepage; motorbikes aren't allowed in the radiation zone. And she admitted on the page after it came out, that the site was just "poetry", and called her detractors bloodsuckers or something ᚣᚷᚷᛞᚱᚫᛋᛁᛚ
 * Keep. I started this article and although I had second thoughts thereafter for privacy reasons, this story is noteworthy enough even if it turns out to be fake and, if I dare say so, perhaps ESPECIALLY if it turns out that way. -- Dissident (Talk) 21:12, 24 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. The not-very-compelling reason for my vote is that I liked the story. I saw it first on Slashdot, read the (fake) article, found it fascinating and haunting—"poetry" is not too strong a word—and, of course, now feel a mixture of emotions at having been taken in. I guess what I'm saying is that to those of us who did read the article, it was somewhat memorable and notable. I just took another look at it at http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chapter1.html . Damn! I still like it. Hey, I liked Daniel Defoe's Journal of the Plague Year (another fake) too. Dpbsmith 00:42, 25 May 2004 (UTC)
 * It's a fake? Oh.  Apparently they've also taken 'gullible' out of the dictionary...  Anyway keep this as she is fairly well known by all accounts, even if the content of her site is questionable. -- Graham  :) | Talk 09:32, 25 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Even if her personal "story" is a fake, you cannot "fake" an abandoned town, unless you are Hollywood. The photos do tell a story. I didn't see anything similar in this form before. IMO her "enemies" are simply jealous they didn't think to do the same (read: to grab this kind of glory). Mikkalai 17:13, 25 May 2004 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's relevant whether the story is fake or not. The fact that the site got (a lot of) attention is what's relevant here. Harry Potter isn't real either, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be articles about his books on Wikipedia. Abigail 21:00, May 25, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Her 15 minutes of online fame are over. --Cantus 03:57, 27 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. If her stuff is fake, the article must say so, but famous fakes are famous. --Jerzy(t) 05:33, 2004 May 28 (UTC)

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User:Walabio

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Well now, I am Ŭalabio. Ŭalabio is Esperantic for wallaby. Since the login does not accept Unicode-characters, I transliterate Ŭalabio to Walabio. I originally tried to be Ŭalabio, but the software changed it to ?alabio. I was ?alabio for a long time --  I hated that name.

Well now, the new software wiped out my user/talk-pages. I could still login, edit, change preferences et cetera. Without talk-pages, I could not function. I decided to create a new account and abandon the other account.

Ŭalabio 05:33, 30 May 2004 (UTC)

 * The old account works again, but I have no use for multiple accounts. I redirect it to here now.

 * Ŭalabio 02:05, 2004 Aug 25 (UTC)

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Seward Park, Seattle

Seward Park is a neighborhood in southeast Seattle, Washington just west of the park of the same name. It is part of Seattle's South End. The park occupies all of Bailey Peninsula.

Neighborhood
The neighborhood is bounded on the east and north by Lake Washington, on the south by South Kenyon Street, and on the west by the eastern boundaries of Columbia City, one of Seattle's oldest neighborhoods.

Environment
The 300 acres (121 ha) of Seward Park has about a 120 acre (48.6 ha) surviving remnant of old-growth forest, providing a glimpse of what some of the lake shore looked like before the growth of the city of Seattle. With trees older than 250 years, the Seward Park forest is relatively young (the forests of Seattle before the city were fully mature, up to 1,000–2,000 years old). The park's trees largely consists of softwoods, mostly Douglas firs, but with other species present as well, including Western hemlock, Pacific madrona and Alaskan cedar.

One of the earliest settlers, E. A. Clark, was influential in the life of Cheshiahud, a young man at the time, the mid-1850s.

The Seward Park neighborhood includes what may be one of the highest residential hills in Seattle (the hill is traversed by Graham Street near its high point, thus earning it the name "Graham hill"). In a series of annexations, the neighborhood joined the City of Seattle in 1907.

Education
Although no schools fall within the borders of the neighborhood as described on city maps, three public schools, Graham Hill and Hawthorne and Dunlap elementary schools serve the area's students. In addition the alternative Orca K-8 lies within blocks of the neighborhood's boundary.

Jewish Community
Seward Park is home to the largest concentration of Orthodox Jews in the Seattle area. Established after the Jewish community of the Central District relocated en masse in the early 1960s, the eruv-bound neighborhood has five synagogues and a Kollel, and its main thoroughfare becomes a family parade on Shabbat and holidays. The state’s oldest Ashkenazi Orthodox congregation, Bikur Cholim Machzikay-Hadath (BCMH), runs a campus that includes the local mikveh, a summer camp, and the girls’ high school Derech Emunah. Seward Park also contains two congregations - Sephardic Bikur Holim, which follows Turkish tradition, and Congregation Ezra Bessaroth, from the Island of Rhodes - which anchor Seattle’s Sephardic population, the third largest community in the country.

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Talk:Pico de Orizaba

Old comments
Sorry, the edits by 201.240.223.182 are mine. I thought I was signed in, but wasn't. If you don't like what I did you now know how to contact me.

I also have lots of pix of the Pico: should I post one/some of them? (see the Orizaba page for an example)--Lavintzin 16:55, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes, go for it. Be bold! –Hajor 17:44, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Orizaba is not the third highest volcano in the Western Hemisphere, there are very many highest volcanoes in the Andes. Viewfinder 07:35, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Elevation concern
The elevation in the main article DOES NOT MATCH the one in the chart. Which one is it? The 4600m or the 5600m? It's a huge difference.

It is definitely 5600m. (Sources do vary considerably in the cited heights, but not *that* much!) --Lavintzin 03:46, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I see. The main article is talking about the companion peak. So you can see in the pictures what a difference 1000 m makes. --Lavintzin 03:48, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

 * The main article is confusing, it will edit it. Thank you for drawing attention to it. Viewfinder 07:01, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Removed

 * "If sea level were to rise 714 meters, connecting the Arctic-Atlantic with the Pacific oceans in British Columbia, the Pico would still rise over 4,900 meters above sea-level, and would be the highest peak on a continent stretching from the new shoreline in British Columbia to what is now the Isthmus of Tehuantepec. That continent would include the mountain ranges of the western contiguous United States, such as the Cascades, the Sierra Nevada, the Rockies, and the various Sierra Madre ranges"

Since a sea level rise of more than about 60 m is impossible, this scenario is rather pointless speculation - MPF 11:30, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

 * I think what was removed was put there to clarify the prominence concept. It is quite interesting, but others can decide whether or not to restore it. Viewfinder 14:04, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Yes, it was put there to clarify the prominence concept and to make it clear what an outstanding mountain this is. I would vote to restore it too, though since (as I remember) I was the one that put it there, I won't do the restoring. --Lavintzin 23:37, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

 * This aspect is worthy of pointing out, but I still find the hypothesis hard to understand, even in its current revised form -- The Pico de Orizaba is ranked 7th in the world in topographical prominence; if the sea level were to rise by 714 metres it would become the high point of an insular continent stretching all the way to British Columbia.  What's an "insular continent"? To pick nits, the Panama Canal already sort of divides North from South America, so I don't understand how rising sea level would make them any more of a "continent," insular or otherwise. --babbage 17:18, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

 * The hypothetical landmass is described an an insular continent because it would be too big to be considered to be an island. The rising sea level scenario illustrates the prominence concept, even though in practice such a rise cannot happen. Re the Panama canal, note that man made changes are not currently included; from a topographic prominence point of view, the Americas and Eurasia-Africa are both considered to be single landmasses, which they were before the Panama and Suez canals were dug. I hope this clarifies the hypothesis. Viewfinder 19:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I put in a different version which doesn't mention sea level rise---feel free to revert back to one explicitly mentioning the concept, but I don't think it's necessary here. The importance for Orizaba is that it is a dominating peak, higher than anything else for a huge distance, and deserves a world ranking. The details of prominence are less important, and mostly distracting in this article. If people need a clarification of the idea of prominence, they can click on that link. IMO, anyway. -- Spireguy 23:42, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

"The" Pico
I'm changing the first mention of the mountain to say "The Pico de Orizaba" instead of just "Pico de Orizaba". As I remember, someone recently deleted the "the" in a number of references to the mountain, mainly in other articles. It is not a straightforward issue.

The Spanish name is actually "El Pico de Orizaba", and "El" is the definite article, which usually is translated by "the". For those of us who think of the name in Spanish even when using it in English, leaving the article off is like leaving "the" off "the White House", "the Caribbean Sea", or "the Rocky Mountains". "Caribbean Sea lies north of Colombia and Venezuela", or "President returned to White House" sound like bad English, and similarly (to me at least), saying "I saw Pico de Orizaba" or "Pico de Orizaba is higher than Popocatépetl" sounds like bad English. So my vote would be to consistently use "the Pico de Orizaba" or "the Pico". The rest of the current article already does that, so the change I just made makes it fit the pattern.

I probably will change other instances of the name as I find them in other articles, but don't have the time/energy to do it systematically.

If others disagree, it would probably be good to discuss it here.

--Lavintzin 04:19, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Maybe the introduction should be changed to
 * "El Pico de Orizaba (from Spanish, "The Peak of Orizaba") or Citlaltépetl (from Nahuatl citlalli = star, and tepetl = mountain), ..."
 * or some such? —wwoods 05:55, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Although the es: version says
 * "El Citlaltépētl (del náhuatl ... También es conocido como Pico de Orizaba."
 * —wwoods 06:00, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Prominent vs. prominent
This phrase in hte lede has got to be re-worded:
 * ''It is the second most prominent volcanic peak in the world after Africa's Mount Kilimanjaro.

To most readers unfamiliar with topographic prominence that will sound a bit odd, as the most common usage of "prominent" in English connotes well-known as well as high/er. It's not sufficient just to pipe a link to topographic prominence, the term has to be explained here. Not everybody are prominence junkies....Skookum1 (talk) 14:26, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Possible promotional addition
An IP editor keeps trying to add instructions for visitors to search for "summit orizaba". I had assumed that it was innocently adding tourist instructions and reverted with appropriate messages, but if you do that search the first hit is for a tour guide company called "Summit Orizaba". So it looks like it's really an attempted commercial promotion, and worth keeping an eye open for. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  17:49, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Number of Glaciers
According to UNAM Geographer Lorenzo Vázquez Selem, Pico de Orizaba had five glaciers in the 1960s, but only has two now. This Wikipedia article says that there are nine. The source is in Spanish:

http://cij.reduaz.mx/gama/SE%20DESHIELA%20EL%20PICO%20DE%20ORIZABA.htm

"Sobre las variaciones que ha ejercido el cambio climático en el Pico de Orizaba, el más elevado de la República Mexicana con 5 mil 747 metros de altura, comentó que en 1960 este volcán tenía cinco glaciares, de los cuales sólo le quedan dos."

Anyone have any comments? Should I go ahead and make the change? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Draykyle (talk • contribs) 00:26, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

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Age and provenance of Citlaltépetl name
There was a line in the text which I deleted, claiming the name Citlaltépetl was in general use by Náhuatl speakers at the time of the conquest. This is a dubious claim (though a romantically desirable one, perhaps), and should not be included without some kind of authoritative documentary support. I have read, but don’t remember where, that the name was invented in the late 19th century by an outsider (a Frenchman?) who (manifestly)knew some Náhuatl but was not a native speaker. I know it was not the name used by Orizaba Nawatl speakers.

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Moving Mars

Moving Mars is a science fiction novel written by Greg Bear. Published in 1993, it won the 1994 Nebula Award for Best Novel, and was also nominated for the 1994 Hugo, Locus, and John W. Campbell Memorial Awards, each in the same category. The main focus of Moving Mars is the coming of age and development of Casseia Majumdar, the narrator, as political tensions over revolutionary scientific discoveries build between Earth and Martian factions, and Mars tries to unify itself.

Martian politics
The "Triple" is the combined economy of Earth, the Moon, and Mars. On Mars the first colonists formed families, which developed into larger family-units called Binding Multiples (BMs). The BMs were fashioned after the Lunar system, and are being threatened to be toppled out of power by Statists, people who want a unified Mars under a centralized government. The Earth wants Mars to unify in order to improve trade within the Triple, but many Martians prefer their independence, and see the Earth's proposal as a thinly-veiled attempt at control.

Thinkers
Thinkers are artificial intelligences given human traits that allow them to have conversations with people. The most advanced are Quantum Logic Thinkers, or QL Thinkers, which are hugely intelligent, but whose thought processes (based on quantum mechanics) are somewhat alien to most people. Thinkers are used in many disciplines, although almost all Thinkers are manufactured on Earth, giving Earth leverage over Mars.

Plot
A small number of students, who are angry at the breaking of their contract with the University of Mars, Sinai, start a protest and plan to storm the university. Although the attempted coup ends in a stalemate, a protester, Casseia Majumdar, establishes her position. The story picks up again a few years later when Casseia is more mature. She does not necessarily regret her actions in the attempted revolution, but continues to be haunted by their consequences, especially her love affair with fellow student Charles Franklin.

Casseia eventually emerges as a fledgling politician in her BM, and wins a trip to Earth with her BM's representative and the BM's Thinker to discuss the situation between Earth and Mars, which is getting increasingly worse. Meanwhile, Charles, her one-time lover, along with a team of super-geniuses called the Olympians, discovers a radical new technology that has the potential to turn the tables on the conflict. He theorizes that the universe is basically a large computer and discovers a way to "tweak" the laws of the universe to create an effect. The Earth does not know exactly what this new technology can do, but they have hints of it and fear it. Casseia returns to Mars and marries into a family with potentially political ambitions due to their perceived neutrality. Her mother-in-law eventually becomes president of an interim central Martian government, and chooses Casseia as her vice-president. Tensions between the BMs and Earth grow to crisis levels, as news of the Olympians' discovery frightens the Earth government into pressuring the Martians to cooperate. One method of coercion that the Martians fear is "evolvons", or small undetectable computer viruses implanted during manufacture into all Thinkers. Martians fear that the Earth will use these to control all Martian Thinkers, and therefore cripple essential operations.

While the tension between Earth and Mars builds, the Olympians, led by Charles Franklin, reveal to Casseia that they have the ability to instantly move anything an infinite distance or to redefine the properties of an object by "tweaking" the properties of an object, with the help of a QL Thinker. The ramifications of this become clear to Casseia and the leaders of the interim government immediately, but they so fear its power that they refuse to use it as anything but a last resort. Charles is convinced that "tweaking", as the technique is called, is the solution, and orders a QL Thinker to speed up the process. Eventually, he is able to test his technique by converting part of a substance into an 'anti-matter' of its properties.

The test shows everyone on Earth what the potential of this breakthrough really is, and Earth fears the power it gives the Martians. They double their efforts to duplicate the technology and eventually activate the evolvons, creating chaos on Mars but also uniting it against the Earth. Earth then demands that Mars government allow them to take over and place themselves into a junior relationship status. Martians retaliate by moving the moon Phobos into Earth orbit to demonstrate their ability to respond, but this only escalates the conflict. Earth withdraws their demands but now are racing to duplicate the technology they now know is possible. Charles is able to test the moving object technique by linking his mind to a QL Thinker and using Phobos as a base, visits a planetary system to investigate as a new potential home for moving Mars to. Casseia travels along with his team as the government representative. The test goes well, but with Charles' mind linked to the QL Thinker, it nearly ends in disaster when the QL Thinker becomes distracted trying to test other "truths". While connected to the Thinker, the raw intelligence of the Thinker imposes its intellectual will on Charles, and tempts him to test every use of this technique, these "truths", even those that would be destructive.

Shortly after the planetary system visit, Earth invades Mars with nanotech robots that kill the Martian President, leaving Casseia as the one in charge. Under attack and with no hope of fighting back, she makes the decision to go along with Charles Franklin's desperate plan to completely remove Mars from the solar system and place it in orbit around a star 10,000 light-years away. To do it, Charles Franklin must connect his mind to the QL Thinker again. The same temptation as in the first test nearly overcomes Charles' willpower; he prevails, but it costs him his mind. The novel ends with an aged Casseia looking at the new Martian sky and hoping that the decision she made was the right one.

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Leykis 101
This was a major tenet of his show. Should have more coverage: $40.00 Limit - Never spend more then $40 on a date. 3 Dates Rule - Stop seeing the girl if you do not get laid after the third date. No Means No - If she says no then, STOP, get your stuff, and leave. No Marriage - Marriage benefits women and children, not men. Marriage Contract - If you must marry, never do it without a prenuptial agreement. Single Mothers - Never date single mothers. Tabasco Sauce - After having sex pour Tabasco sauce into the used condom. Co-worker Relationships - Never date a co-worker. Approaching Women in Groups - Never approach a woman in a club that's surrounded by her girlfriends. Sex To Go - Leave after sex. No spooning, cuddling, and or staying over afterwards. Relationships - Do not get into a serious relationship before the age of 25. Weekend Dates - Do not go out on weekend dates unless you are guaranteed sex. Cell Phone Dates - If your date's cell phone rings during the date then immediately leave. Women in Bars - Sit at a bar alone and do not talk to any women. After Hours Homely Pickings - The fugly women are the last one's to get picked up. Birth Control - Regardless of what a woman says always use birth control. No Gifts - No gifts are ever given to booty calls and women you are dating. Types of Dates - Avoid lunch and or coffee dates. Jerks and Assholes - If women think you are a jerk, then you're doing something right. Eating Before Dates - Have a hearty meal before a date. Income and Women - The amount of income you have often determines the type of women you get. Male Friends - Avoid women with male friends. They all want to have sex with her. No Sex At Your House - Never bring a woman home for sex. No Compliments - Never compliment a woman. Easily replaceable - Have her know that if she does not put out then you will get it elsewhere. Holidays - Break up with your women during those money sucking holiday seasons. Change is not inevitable - Do not change who you are just for a woman. Power Before Kids and Marriage - Men have the most power before kids and a family. Paternity Test - Always get a paternity test no matter how sure you are that it is your child. No DNA Donation - Never help a women you have no intention of marrying have kids. Women Are Dream Killers - They want to reach their dreams and stop yours. No fat chicks - If she gets fat, tell her to lose the weight or you're off. Ultimatum, Run - If a women gives you an ultimatum then run and don't look back.

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Category:Algebra

Algebra (from الجبر) is one of the broad areas of mathematics. Roughly speaking, algebra is the study of mathematical symbols and the rules for manipulating these symbols. The following category includes articles about algebra.

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Conceptual

Conceptual may refer to:

Philosophy and Humanities

 * Concept
 * Conceptualism
 * Philosophical analysis (Conceptual analysis)
 * Theoretical definition (Conceptual definition)
 * Thinking about Consciousness (Conceptual dualism)
 * Pragmatism (Conceptual pragmatism)
 * Paradigm (Conceptual scheme)
 * Abstract and concrete (Conceptual object)
 * Conceptual attrition, an idea of Beverley Skeggs
 * Conceptual proliferation
 * Conceptual history
 * Conceptual necessity

Linguistics and Semantics

 * Conceptual schema
 * Conceptual metaphor
 * Conceptual model
 * Conceptual blending
 * Conceptual semantics
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Psychology

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Kamehameha III

Kamehameha III (born Kauikeaouli) (March 17, 1814 – December 15, 1854) was the third king of the Kingdom of Hawaii from 1825 to 1854. His full Hawaiian name was Keaweaweula Kīwalaō Kauikeaouli Kaleiopapa and then lengthened to Keaweaweula Kīwalaō Kauikeaouli Kaleiopapa Kalani Waiakua Kalanikau Iokikilo Kīwalaō i ke kapu Kamehameha when he ascended the throne.

Under his reign, Hawaii evolved from an absolute monarchy to a constitutional monarchy with the signing of both the 1840 Constitution, which was the first Hawaiian Language Constitution, and the 1852 Constitution. He was the longest reigning monarch in the history of the Kingdom, ruling for 29 years and 192 days, although in the early part of his reign he was under a regency by Queen Kaahumanu and later by Kaahumanu II. His goal was the careful balancing of modernization by adopting Western ways while keeping his nation intact.

Early life
Kauikeaouli was born at Keauhou Bay, on Hawaii island, the largest island of the Hawaiian Islands archipelago. He was the second son of King Kamehameha I and his highest ranking wife, Queen Keōpūolani, born in Maui. Early historians suggested June or July 1814, but one accepted date is August 11, 1813. Biographer P. Christiaan Klieger cites 17 March 1814 as his birthday, which is the date declared by the Privy Council as the official birthday in its meeting of March 16, 1846. He was of the highest kapu lineage. Kauikeaouli was about 16 years younger than his brother Liholiho, who ruled as Kamehameha II starting in 1819. He was named Kauikeaouli (placed in the dark clouds) Kaleiopapa Kuakamanolani Mahinalani Kalaninuiwaiakua Keaweaweulaokalani (the red trail or the roadway by which the god descends from heaven) after his maternal grandfather Kīwalaō. He was promised to Kuakini in adoption, but as at birth he appeared to be delivered stillborn, Kuakini did not wish to take him. But Chief Kaikioewa summoned his kaula (prophet) Kapihe who declared the baby would live. Kauikeaouli was cleansed, laid on a rock, fanned, prayed over and sprinkled with water until he breathed, moved and cried. The prayer of Kapihe was to Kaōnohiokalā, "Child of God". The rock is preserved as a monument at Keauhou Bay. He was given to Kaikioewa to raise.

He was torn between the Puritan Christian guidelines imposed on the kingdom by the kuhina nui (Queen Regent) who was his stepmother Kaʻahumanu, and the desires to honor the old traditions. Under the influence of Oʻahu's then governor, Boki, and a young Hawaiian-Tahitian former priest named Kaomi, Kauikeaouli's aikāne partner, he rebelled against his partial Christian upbringing.

Reign
When Kauikeaouli came to the throne in 1825, the native population numbered about 150,000, which was already less than one-third of the Hawaiian population at the time of Captain Cook's arrival to Hawaii in 1778. During his reign, that number would be halved again, due to a series of epidemics.

Marriage and children
In ancient Hawaii, the upper classes considered a marriage with a close royal family member to be an excellent way to preserve pure bloodlines. His brother Liholiho (King Kamehameha II) and his Queen Kamāmalu were a half-sister and brother couple. He had loved his sister Nāhienaena and planned to marry her since childhood, but the union was opposed by the missionaries due to their perceptions of incest.

It was proposed in 1832 that Kamanele, the daughter of Governor John Adams Kuakini, would be the most suitable in age, rank, and education for his queen. Kamanele died in 1834 before the wedding took place. Instead Kamehameha III chose to marry Kalama Hakaleleponi Kapakuhaili, against the wishes of Kīnau. Kalama's father was Naihekukui. After his sister's death in late 1836, he married Kalama on February 14, 1837, in a Christian ceremony. Kamehameha III and Kalama had two children: Prince Keaweaweulaokalani I and Prince Keaweaweulaokalani II who both died while infants. He and his mistress Jane Lahilahi, a daughter of his father's advisor John Young, had twin illegitimate sons: Kīwalaʻō, who Kamehameha initially took to raise, died young, while the other twin Albert Kūnuiākea survived and was later adopted by Kamehameha and his wife Queen Kalama. Kūnuiākea lived to adulthood but died childless (1851–1902).

Government
Kamehameha III led the development of Hawaii's first formal written laws. In 1838, senior advisor Hoapili convinced former missionary William Richards to resign from the church and become a political advisor. Richards (although he had no legal training himself) gave classes to Kamehameha III and his councilors on the Western ideas of rule of law and economics. Their first act was a declaration of human rights in 1839.

In 1839, under a French threat of war, Roman Catholicism was legalized in the Edict of Toleration and the first statutory law code was established. Kamehameha III also enacted the Constitution of 1840, Hawaii's first. This laid the groundwork for the establishment of judicial and executive branches of government, and a system of land ownership was implemented under the Mahele in 1848. The 1839 declaration of rights, the 1840 constitution, and various laws enacted from 1840 to 1842 came to be collectively called the Kumu Kānāwai or "foundation of law." They were published together in a dual Hawaiian/English book with a blue cover, similar to the statutory laws of the New England states at the time, and like them became known in English as the Blue Laws. The Kumu Kānāwai was primarily based on Hawaii's indigenous traditions, various laws enacted since 1823, and the principles of the Christian Bible.

Over the next few years, Kamehameha III moved the capital from Lahaina to Honolulu. In September 1840 Charles Wilkes arrived on the United States Exploring Expedition. Kamehameha III was happy to support the explorers, and appointed missionary doctor Gerrit P. Judd to serve as translator. Judd treated many of the sailors who suffered from altitude sickness on their ascent of Mauna Loa. Wilkes vastly underestimated the task and did not leave until March 1841.

Paulet affair
In February 1843, British Captain Lord George Paulet pressured Kamehameha III into surrendering the Hawaiian kingdom to the British crown, but Kamehameha III alerted London of the captain's rogue actions which eventually restored the kingdom's independence. Less than five months later, British Admiral Richard Thomas rejected Paulet's actions and the kingdom was restored on July 31. It was at the end of this period of uncertainty that the king uttered the phrase that eventually became Hawaii's motto: Ua Mau ke Ea o ka Āina i ka Pono — "The life of the land is perpetuated in righteousness." July 31 was celebrated thereafter as Lā Hoʻihoʻi Ea, Sovereignty Restoration Day, an official national holiday of the kingdom. Later that year, on November 28, Britain and France officially recognized the independence of the Hawaiian Kingdom, and that too became a national holiday, Lā Kūʻokoʻa — Independence Day.

Government reform
Through the 1840s a formal legislature of the Hawaiian Kingdom and cabinet replaced the informal council of chiefs. The chiefs became the House of Nobles, roughly modeled on the British House of Lords. Seven elected representatives would be the start of a democratic government. The cabinet consisted of a Privy Council and five powerful government ministers. Judd was appointed to the most powerful post of Minister of Finance. Frontier lawyer John Ricord was Attorney General, Robert Crichton Wyllie was Minister of Foreign Affairs, Richards Minister of Public Instruction, and Keoni Ana was Minister of the Interior.

Kamehameha III also presided over the formalization of the court system and land titles. Cases such as those of Richard Charlton and Ladd & Co. had prompted the incidents of 1843 and subsequent litigation. Under Kamehameha III, Hawaii rapidly transitioned from indigenous traditions to a new legal system based on Anglo-American common law. Lorrin Andrews became a judge for foreign cases in 1845. William Little Lee (the first to actually graduate from law school) became the first chief justice.

A commission to Quiet Land Titles was formed on February 10, 1846. This led to what is called the Great Mahele of 1848 which redistributed land between the government, king, nobles, and commoners. Foreigners were allowed to own land fee simple in Hawaii for the first time. Many commoners were unaware of the program and lost out on the distribution. The domination of his cabinet by Americans (balanced only by Scot Wyllie and half-Hawaiian Keoni Ana) also discouraged the people. This was not the end of foreign conflicts either. In 1849, Admiral Louis Tromelin led a French invasion of Honolulu. The French sacked and looted the city after the king refused his demands.

In September 1849, Judd was sent with the heir apparent Prince Alexander Liholiho and Kamehameha V on a diplomatic mission. They returned with a new treaty with the United States but failed in visits to London and Paris.

The Constitution of 1852 and subsequent legislation continued to liberalize politics. The court system was unified, instead of having separate courts for Hawaiians and foreigners. Local Hawaiian magistrates became Circuit Judges, and a Supreme Court was formed with Lee, Andrews, and John Papa ʻĪʻī as members. Voting rules were formalized and the role of the House of Representatives was strengthened.

Later years
The California Gold Rush brought increased trade, but also some unwelcome visitors. Previously the long trips around Cape Horn or from Europe meant infected sailors were either recovered or buried at sea by the time they arrived. The short voyage from California brought several waves of diseases that decimated the native Hawaiians who had no immunity. In the summer of 1853, an epidemic of smallpox caused thousands of deaths, mostly on the island of Oahu. Judd, always at odds with Wyllie, lost the backing of others who blamed him for not containing the disease (or had other political reasons to want him out of power). Judd was forced to resign on September 3 and was replaced by Elisha Hunt Allen as Minister of Finance.

In 1851, Scottish-Australian entrepreneur and sailor Benjamin Boyd convinced King Kamehameha III to become regent of a Pacific empire ranging from Hawaii and the Marquesas to Samoa and Tonga. Boyd was killed in Guadalcanal shortly after.

Hawaii became a popular winter destination for frustrated prospectors in the 1850s. Some were rumored to be filibusters hoping to profit from a rebellion. One of the first was a group led by Samuel Brannan, who did not find the popular support for an uprising that they expected. By the end of 1853 the threats, whether real or imagined, caused petitions for the king to consider annexation to the United States. Wyllie and Lee convinced the king to insist that annexation would only be acceptable if Hawaii became a U.S. state.

In 1852 a group of missionaries set out from Hawaii for the islands of Micronesia. They carried with them a letter of introduction that bore the official seal of King Kamehameha III, the then-ruling monarch of the Hawaiian Islands. This letter, originally written in Hawaiian and addressed to the various rulers of the Pacific Islands, said in part: "There are about to sail for your islands some teachers of the Highest God, Jehovah, to make known unto you His Word for your eternal salvation. . . . I commend these good teachers to your esteem and friendship and exhort you to listen to their instructions. . . . I advise you to throw away your idols, take the Lord Jehovah for your God, worship and love Him and He will bless and save you."

On May 16, 1854, King Kamehameha III proclaimed the Hawaiian Kingdom neutral in the Crimean War in Europe. The present crises had passed, but the king's health declined, often attributed to his renewed drinking. The annexation question also did not go away. The British minister William Miller and French representative Louis Emile Perrin objected to the plan. New U.S. Commissioner David L. Gregg received instructions from Secretary of State William L. Marcy and negotiated a treaty of annexation with Wyllie by August 1854. It was never signed, and might not have been ratified by the Senate. Although there was some support in the U.S., it would take 105 more years before full statehood of Hawaii.

Death and funeral
Kamehameha III died suddenly on December 15, 1854, after a brief illness, which may have been related to a stroke.

He was succeeded by his nephew and adopted son Alexander Liholiho, who was styled as King Kamehameha IV.

In 1865, Kamehameha III was reburied in the Royal Mausoleum of Hawaii known as Mauna ʻAla.

Legacy
The access to his birthplace at Keauhou Bay is via Kamehameha III Road from the north from Hawaii Belt Road, at 19.56861°N, -155.96139°W and Kaleiopapa Street from the south at 19.55861°N, -155.96139°W.

His successor described his reign:

"The age of Kamehameha III was that of progress and of liberty—of schools and of civilization. He gave us a Constitution and fixed laws; he secured the people in the title to their lands, and removed the last chain of oppression. He gave them a voice in his councils and in the making of the laws by which they are governed. He was a great national benefactor, and has left the impress of his mild and amiable disposition on the age for which he was born."

On July 31, 2018, a 12-foot bronze statue of Kamehameha III and a flagpole flying the Hawaiian flag was unveiled at Thomas Square in a ceremony honoring the 175th anniversary of the restoration of Hawaiian sovereignty in 1843. The statue was created by Oregon artist Thomas Jay Warren for $250,000 allotted by the Mayor's Office of Culture and the Arts and is part of Mayor Kirk Caldwell's plans to revamp the park.

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The New Criterion

The New Criterion is a New York–based monthly literary magazine and journal of artistic and cultural criticism, edited by Roger Kimball (editor and publisher) and James Panero (executive editor). It has sections for criticism of poetry, theater, art, music, the media, and books. It was founded in 1982 by Hilton Kramer, former art critic for The New York Times, and Samuel Lipman, a pianist and music critic. The name is a reference to The Criterion, a British literary magazine edited by T. S. Eliot from 1922 to 1939.

The magazine describes itself as a "monthly review of the arts and intellectual life ... at the forefront both of championing what is best and most humanely vital in our cultural inheritance and in exposing what is mendacious, corrosive, and spurious." It is characterized by a Modernist inclination and evinces a political conservatism that is rare among other publications of its type.

It regularly publishes special symposia, or compilations of published material organized into themes. Some past examples include Affirmative action and the law; Common-good conservatism: a debate; Corrupt Humanitarianism; Religion, Manners, and Morals in the U.S. and Great Britain; and Reflections on Anti-Americanism.

Since 1999, The New Criterion has awarded the New Criterion Poetry Prize, a poetry contest wherein the magazine publishes the winner's work and awards them a cash prize. In 2004, The New Criterion contributors began publishing an online section, initially named ArmaVirumque, and later renamed to Dispatch.

Origin
The New Criterion was founded in 1982 by The New York Times art critic Hilton Kramer. He cited his reasons for leaving the paper to start The New Criterion as "the disgusting and deleterious doctrines with which the most popular of our Reviews disgraces its pages", as well as "the dishonesties and hypocrisies and disfiguring ideologies that nowadays afflict the criticism of the arts, [which] are deeply rooted in both our commercial and our academic culture." He went on to say: "It is therefore all the more urgent that a dissenting critical voice be heard, and it is for the purpose of providing such a voice that The New Criterion has been created."

Kramer's decision to leave The New York Times, where he had been the newspaper's chief art critic, and to start a magazine devoted to ideas and the arts "surprised a lot of people and was a statement in itself", according to Erich Eichmann.

Contributors to the journal have included Peter Thiel, Douglas Murray, Mark Steyn, Roger Scruton, David Pryce-Jones, Theodore Dalrymple, Alexander McCall Smith, Victor Davis Hanson, Harvey Mansfield, Gertrude Himmelfarb, Penelope Fitzgerald, Allan Bloom, and Jay Nordlinger.

In its first issue, dated September 1982, the magazine set out "to speak plainly and vigorously about the problems that beset the life of the artists and the life of the mind in our society" while resisting "a more general cultural drift" that had in many cases, "condemned true seriousness to a fugitive existence".

Reception
The New Criterion ranked in the top ten most influential periodicals among American intellectuals according to a survey conducted by Steven G. Brint in In an Age of Experts: The Changing Role of Professionals in Politics and Public Life (Princeton University Press).

Writing for The Times Literary Supplement, Harry Mount called The New Criterion "More consistently worth reading than any other magazine in English."

According to the conservative publication The New York Sun, for a quarter of a century The New Criterion "has helped its readers distinguish achievement from failure in painting, music, dance, literature, theater, and other arts. The magazine ... has taken a leading role in the culture wars, publishing articles whose titles are an intellectual call to arms."

Elsewhere, critics of the magazine have accused it of "sheer snobbery" and a tendency to get lost in the culture wars. The critic Michael Dirda wrote in The American Scholar that "Nearly all the magazine's reviewing—of books, art, and music—is first-rate. The poetry featured is comparably exceptional, with a strong preference for formal verse (which is just fine by me)."

Contributors
Since the magazine's founding, many writers, poets, academics, commentators, and politicians – mostly drawn from the conservative end of the political spectrum – have written for it. Contributors include:

 * Woody Allen
 * Conrad Black
 * Jeremy Black
 * Allan Bloom
 * Robert Bork
 * William F. Buckley Jr.
 * Douglas Carswell
 * Christian Caryl
 * Maurice Cowling
 * Theodore Dalrymple
 * Victor Davis Hanson
 * Franklin Einspruch
 * Malcolm Forbes
 * Jonathan Foreman
 * Simon Heffer
 * Gertrude Himmelfarb
 * Ayaan Hirsi Ali
 * Christopher Hitchens
 * Donald Justice
 * Donald Kagan
 * Frederick Kagan
 * Robert Kagan
 * Robert D. Kaplan
 * Henry Kissinger
 * Julius Krein
 * Hugh Lloyd-Jones
 * Gérard Louis-Dreyfus
 * Thomas F. Madden
 * Harvey Mansfield
 * Rob Messenger
 * Kenneth Minogue
 * Francis Morrone
 * Gary Saul Morson
 * Ferdinand Mount
 * Harry Mount
 * Charles Murray
 * Douglas Murray
 * George H. Nash
 * John Podhoretz
 * Norman Podhoretz
 * Mary Jo Salter
 * Roger Scruton
 * Lionel Shriver
 * Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
 * George Szamuely
 * Kevin D. Williamson
 * Keith Windschuttle

Awards
Hilton Kramer Fellowship

Since its inauguration in 2013, The New Criterion's reader-funded Hilton Kramer Fellowship has been awarded to promising writers with an interest in developing careers as critics.

Edmund Burke Annual Gala

First awarded in 2012, The New Criterion’s Edmund Burke Award for Service to Culture and Society is given annually to individuals "who have made conspicuous contributions to the defense of civilization."

The publication hosts an annual gala honoring recipients of the award. Edmund Burke Award recipients include:

 * Henry Kissinger, former U.S. Secretary of State
 * Donald Kagan, historian and classicist
 * Ayaan Hirsi Ali, author and activist
 * Charles Murray, political scientist
 * Philippe de Montebello, former museum director of the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York
 * Victor Davis Hanson, military historian, author, and classicist
 * Peter Thiel German-American billionaire, entrepreneur, and venture capitalist. Co-founder of PayPal and Palantir Technologies.

New Criterion anthologies

 * Counterpoints: 25 Years of The New Criterion on Culture and the Arts, edited by Roger Kimball and Hilton Kramer; Ivan R. Dee, 512 pages, (2007). ISBN 1-56663-706-6 ISBN 978-1566637060
 * Against the Grain: The New Criterion on Art and Intellect at the End of the 20th Century, edited by Hilton Kramer and Roger Kimball; Ivan R. Dee, 477 pages (1995). ISBN 1-56663-069-X ISBN 978-1566630696
 * The New Criterion Reader: The First Five Years, edited by Hilton Kramer; Free Press, 429 pages (1988). ISBN 0-02-917641-7 ISBN 978-0029176412

New Criterion books

 * Lengthened Shadows: America and Its Institutions in the Twenty-First Century, edited by Roger Kimball and Hilton Kramer; Encounter Books, 266 pages (2004). ISBN 1-59403-054-5 ISBN 978-1594030543
 * The Survival of Culture: Permanent Values in a Virtual Age, edited by Hilton Kramer and Roger Kimball; Ivan R. Dee, 256 pages (2002). ISBN 1-56663-466-0, ISBN 978-1-56663-466-3
 * The Betrayal of Liberalism: How the Disciples of Freedom and Equality Helped Foster the Illiberal Politics of Coercion and Control edited by Hilton Kramer and Roger Kimball; Ivan R. Dee, 256 pages (1999). ISBN 1-56663-257-9, ISBN 978-1-56663-257-7
 * The Future of the European Past edited by Hilton Kramer and Roger Kimball; Ivan R. Dee, 251 pages (1997). ISBN 1-56663-178-5, ISBN 978-1-56663-178-5

The New Criterion Poetry Prize
Since 2000 the magazine has been awarding its poetry prize to a poet for "a book-length manuscript of poems that pay close attention to form." The following poets have won the prize:
 * 2000: Donald Petersen, Early and Late: Selected poems (Chicago: Ivan R. Dee, 2001).
 * 2001: Adam Kirsch, The Thousand Wells (Chicago: Ivan R. Dee, 2002).
 * 2002: Charles Tomlinson, Skywriting and other poems (Chicago: Ivan R. Dee, 2003).
 * 2003: Deborah Warren, Zero Meridian (Chicago: Ivan R. Dee, 2004).
 * 2005: Geoffrey Brock, Weighing Light (Chicago: Ivan R. Dee, 2005).
 * 2006: Bill Coyle, The God of this World to His Prophet (Chicago: Ivan R. Dee, 2006).
 * 2007: J. Allyn Rosser, Foiled Again (Chicago: Ivan R. Dee, 2007).
 * 2008: Daniel Brown, Taking the Occasion (Chicago: Ivan R. Dee, 2008).
 * 2009: William Virgil Davis, Landscape and Journey (Chicago: Ivan R. Dee, 2009).
 * 2010: Ashley Anna McHugh, Into These Knots (Lapham, MD: Ivan R. Dee, 2010).
 * 2011: D. H. Tracy for Janet's Cottage (South Bend, IN: St. Augustine Press, 2012).
 * 2012: George Green for Lord Byron's Foot (South Bend, IN: St. Augustine Press, 2012).
 * 2013: Dick Allen for This Shadowy Place (South Bend, IN: St. Augustine Press, 2014).
 * 2014: John Poch for Fix Quiet (South Bend, IN: St. Augustine Press, 2015).
 * 2015: Michael Spence for Umbilical (South Bend, IN: St. Augustine Press, 2016).
 * 2016: John Foy for Night Vision (South Bend, IN: St. Augustine Press, 2016).
 * 2017 Moira Egan for Synæsthesium (New York: New Criterion, 2017).
 * 2018 Nicholas Friedman for Petty Theft (New York: New Criterion, 2018).
 * 2019 Ned Balbo for The Cylburn Touch-Me-Nots (New York: New Criterion, 2019).
 * 2020 Bruce Bond for Behemoth (New York: New Criterion, 2021).
 * 2021 Nicholas Pierce for In Transit (New York: Criterion Books, 2022).
 * 2022 Brian Brodeur for Some Problems with Autobiography (New York: Criterion Books, 2023)
 * 2023 Peter Vertacnik for The Nature of Things Fragile (New York: Criterion Books, 2024).

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West Seattle

West Seattle is a conglomeration of neighborhoods in Seattle, Washington, United States. It comprises two of the thirteen districts, Delridge and Southwest, and encompasses all of Seattle west of the Duwamish River. It was incorporated as an independent town in 1902 before being annexed by Seattle five years later. Among the area's attractions are its saltwater beach parks along Elliott Bay and Puget Sound, including Alki Beach Park and Lincoln Park. The area is also known for its views of the Olympic Mountains to the west and the Cascade Range to the east. One-third of Seattle's green space and urban forest is located in West Seattle, much of it in the West Duwamish Greenbelt.

High Point
High Point is a neighborhood in the Delridge district. It is so named because it contains the highest point in the city of Seattle: the intersection of 35th Avenue SW and SW Myrtle Street, which is 520 ft above sea level. The neighborhood is located on the east side of 35th Ave SW, with approximate north and south boundaries at SW Juneau Street and SW Myrtle Street.

The hill is dominated by two large water towers; it is also the location of Our Lady of Guadalupe School and Parish, on the peak of the highest hill in West Seattle. It is also known for the High Point Projects which were torn down in 2005 to make way for new mixed-income housing. High Point is one of Seattle's most diverse neighborhoods, with a substantial immigrant population from Southeast Asia and East Africa.

Redevelopment
The neighborhood was originally developed during World War II to provide government housing, and it remained a district of predominantly low-income housing through the 1990s. In 2003, the Seattle Housing Authority began work on the first phase of a six-year project to redevelop High Point into a mixed-income community. The redevelopment removed all existing housing, roads, and utilities. In their place, new roads, underground infrastructure, about 1,600 new housing units, and community facilities were built.

The redevelopment embraced many sustainable development principles. The site and rental housing are certified at the highest BuiltGreen levels; most housing is Energy Star rated. The site makes extensive use of permeable paving, including porous sidewalks, parking areas, and the only porous pavement street in the state of Washington. Some houses were built to reduce symptoms for people with asthma. The neighborhood redevelopment plan has been recognized with some of the most prestigious land use and development awards, among them the 2007 ULI Global Award of Excellence, the 2007 EPA National Award for Smart Growth, and the 2007 Rudy Bruner Award for Urban Excellence.

Alki
Alki Point is traditionally credited as the point where the Denny Party founded Seattle before moving across Elliott Bay to what is now Downtown. A similar landing at Alki has been reenacted annually since 1950 as part of the week-long Seafair celebration of Seattle's marine and boating heritage. Seafair coincides with West Seattle festivities including Hi-Yu and the West Seattle Summer Fest street festival held each July. Along with its historical significance, Alki is also home to the most popular beach in the Seattle area. Fittingly named Alki Beach, it features a long strip of sandy beach full of driftwood, seashells, and fire pits. Low tides offer West Seattleites an opportunity to explore marine life in tidepools. Alki also hosts a flat bike and running trail from which visitors can view the Seattle skyline, Puget Sound, and the Olympic mountains.

The Junction
The Junction is the name used for the commercial district that centers on the intersection of California Avenue S.W. and S.W. Alaska Street. It is sometimes called "West Seattle Junction" or "Alaska Junction" by residents.

West Seattle also has two other intersections of note: the Admiral Junction in the northern part of the peninsula where California Avenue S.W. and S.W. Admiral Way meet, and the Morgan Street Junction at the southern end where Fauntleroy Way S.W., S.W. Morgan Street, and California Avenue S.W. intersect.

The West Seattle Summer Fest, a multi-day street festival at the Junction, is hosted annually in July. It includes live music, shopping, art galleries, and other events in the neighborhood. The festival was established in 1982 and was cancelled for 2020 and 2021 due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Other neighborhoods
The Westwood Village shopping center, between S.W. Trenton and S.W. Barton Streets in the south end of West Seattle, has undergone several makeovers and now provides a mall-like shopping experience, including a Target and a Marshall's. However, it is unlikely that a movie theater will be allowed here because of restricted parking.

Before the annexation of West Seattle, the neighborhood of White Center radiated north and south of Roxbury, but now with the city line going down the middle of the old neighborhood is it unclear whether the northern part of the area should still be referred to as part of the White Center neighborhood.

West Seattle also includes suburban neighborhoods in the southwest end, including Gatewood, Fauntleroy, Arbor Heights, and Arroyo Heights in the southernmost section of West Seattle.

Transportation
The high-level West Seattle Bridge and the low-level Spokane Street Bridge connect northern West Seattle to Downtown Seattle and SODO. The high-level bridge was closed from 2020 to 2022 for extensive repairs.

West Seattle is served by bus service from King County Metro, including the RapidRide C Line. There is a Washington State Ferries dock in the Fauntleroy neighborhood, with service to Vashon Island and to Southworth on the Kitsap Peninsula. The passenger-only King County Water Taxi also runs between Duwamish Head and downtown Seattle.

History
Numerous sites exist with historical information on West Seattle, which is Seattle's oldest neighborhood and the birthplace of Seattle proper. The Southwest Seattle Historical Society maintains the Log House Museum at Alki Point.

Notable residents
Among West Seattle's current and former notable residents are Pearl Jam lead singer Eddie Vedder; Pearl Jam bassist Jeff Ament; actress Dyan Cannon; actor Steven Hill; nature photographer Art Wolfe; writer and journalist Amanda Knox; actress and burlesque performer Gypsy Rose Lee; restaurateur, folk singer, and former Seattle City Council member Ivar Haglund; fantasy author Terry Brooks; mountain climbers Jim Whittaker and Lou Whittaker; author Tobias Wolff; astronaut Gregory C. Johnson; Soundgarden singer Chris Cornell; The Flying Karamazov Brothers member Sam Williams; author, journalist, and screenwriter Jeff Jensen; former Seattle mayor Greg Nickels; mountain climber and guide Scott Fischer; science fiction and fantasy author Cat Rambo; actress Frances Farmer; actress Meg Tilly; musician Bill Rieflin; artist Francesca Sundsten; former Pittsburgh Pirates player Ed Bahr; NFL and Canadian Football League player Byron Bailey; author Nicholas Johnson; singer/songwriter Brandi Carlile; U.S. Representative Pramila Jayapal; theatre director Douglas Hughes; TV & Radio talent/writer Cindi Rinehart.

Media
The community is served by the West Seattle Herald, which published a weekly newspaper until 2021 and was later replaced by Westside Seattle after a merger with the Ballard News-Tribune. A hyperlocal blog website named the West Seattle Blog was established in December 2005 and has remained independently owned and operated.

Education
West Seattle is home to South Seattle College, West Seattle High School, Chief Sealth International High School, Seattle Lutheran High School, Gatewood Elementary School, Madison Middle School, Denny International Middle School, Roxhill Elementary School, K-5 STEM at Boren, Alki Elementary School, Lafayette Elementary School, Highland Park Elementary School, Sanislo Elementary School, Pathfinder K-8, Holy Family School Seattle, Holy Rosary West Seattle, Genesee Hill Elementary School, Our Lady of Guadalupe, Hope Lutheran School, Arbor Heights Elementary School, and Fairmount Park Elementary School.

Parks and recreation
West Seattle has many parks along the waterfront, including Lincoln Park and the Emma Schmitz Overlook to Jack Block Park facing the port. The West Seattle Golf Course, West Seattle Stadium, and Camp Long Outdoor Learning Center are found in the middle of the peninsula with unique opportunities to recreate outdoors including overnight camping in rustic cabins. In addition, Seattle Parks and Recreation maintains Community Centers (Alki, Delridge, and Hiawatha), Coleman Pool, SouthWest Pool, and the SouthWest Teen Life Center. There is a historic bath house on Alki Beach as well as the Dakota Place Park with its restored light station.

List of neighborhoods

 * Admiral, also known as North Admiral
 * Alki
 * Arbor Heights
 * Belvedere
 * Delridge
 * Fauntleroy
 * Fairmount Park
 * Gatewood
 * Genesee
 * Harbor Ave
 * Highland Park
 * Lincoln Park
 * Luna Park
 * Morgan Junction
 * Pigeon Point
 * Puget Ridge
 * Riverview
 * Roxbury
 * Schmitz Park
 * Seaview
 * Sunrise Heights
 * Sunset
 * Westwood
 * West Seattle Junction

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