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User talk:TreyHarris/Archive 2014

Re: Removal of link marked minor
Hello Trey, and thanks for your message. I didn't remove the link completely, I just moved it a bit lower; thus, I did not change any content, but rather the order in which it appears.

I hope this clears things up. I continue to abide by my initial belief that this edit was minor, but please don't hesitate to contact me if you still feel that I am mistaken.

Warm regards,

Frazzydee|✍ 02:41, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Condorcet-STV
Could you please start an article on Condorcet-STV? I'm not quite familiar enough with how it works in multiple-winner elections, and it seems to be different from the way the Single Transferable Vote article is heading. Scott Ritchie 09:39, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I have uploaded a paper on the Schulze STV method, a Condorcet STV method  . I believe that the Schulze STV method is the optimal Condorcet STV method for the LOPSA because of the following reasons:

 * The LOPSA already uses the Schulze single-winner election method for internal referendums. See article 8.3 of the LOPSA bylaws!
 * Suppose M is the number of seats. When the Schulze STV method is being used then it is sufficient to compare every set A of M candidates with every other set B of M candidates that differs from set A in exactly one candidate. However, for other Condorcet STV methods (e.g. Tideman's CPO-STV method) it is necessary to compare every set A of M candidates with every other set B of M candidates.

 * Markus Schulze 20:12, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

RE: Arianna Huffington
TreyHarris, I do agree Hummers are gas-guzzlers, but the very term is biased and therefore inappropriate to use when write with a NPOV

In reply to: TreyHarris(revert -- loosen up, if a Hummer isn't "gas-guzzling", what possibly could be?) --Lzygenius 09:11, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't understand. It's a colorful term, but how is it "biased"?  Could you explain the POV you think the term espouses?  NPOV doesn't mean bland. TreyHarris 09:24, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Revision3 Studios
Hi. I noticed that you voted to keep the Systm article on Votes_for_deletion/Systm. Well, unfortunately, the article was deleted, and Systm was redirected to Kevin Rose. I recently created a new article for Revision3 Studios, the company that produces System and thebroken, and changed Systm to redirect there. Unfortunately, the Revision3 Studios article has now been nominated for deletion.

So, if you have a chance, please look at the Revision3 Studios article, and then go to Votes for deletion/Revision3 Studios and vote to keep it. Thanks a lot, --taestell 17:02, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

System Administrator
Trey - I looked at the recent change history for system administrator and I challenge your edit that stated the SAGE is not US-only. Before I edit it again, I would like to discuss it with you. Steven Plunkett 08:06, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Given that until just three months ago an Australian was president of SAGE, a significant fraction of the members are non-US, and it calls itself an "international professional association of system administrators", it at least seems to not be US-only. If your claim is that it is de facto US-only, perhaps you could elaborate. --TreyHarris 09:29, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

I'll disclaim initally by saying that I am currently the National Treasurer of SAGE-AU. I know Geoff too. It's the fact that the roots of SAGE are US based, the conference (granted it has been USENIX's conference) has always been in the US, and that the are several other SAGE organisations around the world, including SAGE-AU, SAGE-WISE (Wales, Ireland, Scotland, England), SAGE-IE (Ireland), and a de-facto branch in Germany as well. de fact US-only be the appropriate term, but I do not recoginise SAGE as a truely international organisation. Steven Plunkett 09:47, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Male pregnancy tone
Hi. I appear to be responsible for almost all of the entry you marked for a tone-check. Thanks - I'm aware that formal writing is a weak spot of mine. In the interests of improving, did anything in particular strike your eye as inappropriate? --Kizor 10:27, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

rollback
I commented on the MOS:DP talk page before looking at the rollback. There were two different admins that used rollback for my edits. Some of those were then re-reverted back to my version, most were not. Neither one of them attempted to comunicate with me. I'm feeling a bit down as a result of this whole thing. What to do? Tedernst | talk 03:22, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Template:Welcome
Thanks for your excellent contribution to the discussion; it's what I've been trying to say all along. Hopefully, that'll get the point across. ~ Topaz ♪ ♫ ∆ 01:46, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

de Gaulle fixes
Regarding my change of the Charles de Gaulle links, I was using the Popups tool to automatically fix the 130-odd instances where article links were pointing to redirect pages. If you are not familiar with Popups, it allows you to fix redirect and disambiguation links with a single click. Unfortunately I was not aware that some of those links were misspellings per se; I just assumed they were variations on the accepted spelling and/or titles (such as General De Gaulle, De Gaulle, etc.). --Kralizec! 18:49, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

The Office image
I don't necessarily agree with the image you added to The Office, but didn't want to just go ahead a revert it. I don't have a huge problem if you want it to stay, but when someone visits The Office article, and the first thing they see is the image of the American Office, I don’t think it gives off the right impression. I think if we have one we should have the other- or none at all. Mrtea (talk) 18:04, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * If The Office were an actual disambiguation page, you'd get no complaint from me taking down the image. But it's not, it appears to be trying to get some information across, and so it should be have an image.  If you can dig up a usable image for the UK version, I'd invite you to put it up, too—it would be really nice if it was a parallel image with the four leads.  (I tried, but since the UK series is no longer in production, nobody's promoting it, so press kit photos are hard to find.) But  I can't think of an encyclopedic reason why no image is better than one, since the caption clearly states that it is an image of the American version. --TreyHarris 23:20, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * No I know, you've got a point. I don't have a problem with it, I just wish we could find an eligible UK cast photo too. I'll keep my eyes open. Mrtea (talk) 03:06, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

re: Wikipedia talk:Only make links that are relevant to the context
Answered on that page. Hope that helps. Rossami (talk) 20:36, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

re: Minor edits
I have my preferences set to mark all edits minor by default. When I make substantial changes, I usually uncheck "This is a minor edit." —Wayward Talk 01:03, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Any content change. OK, thanks, noted. Sgt Pinback 22:23, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Changes to policy
Truly well written post on village pump (policy). Thank you.
 * --William Allen Simpson 17:42, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your comment on my talk page. I've written up a policy proposal at Changing policies and guidelines, and I'd appreciate your feedback. :--TreyHarris 00:46, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I'll take a look, but I've a big evidentiary hearing next week, so I currently have considerably less spare time.
 * --William Allen Simpson 14:44, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello! It seems that anytime I say something these days, I'll always hurt someones feelings. I'm very sorry if I've hurt yours. I think that you've done exemplary work based on what's written down on wikipedia. :-)

The unfortunate problem is that there are unwritten rules, which people still haven't written down. These rules aren't written down, but are known to exist. It's something like the law of gravity. It isn't like apples didn't fall from trees, before Newton wrote that they did.

I've occaisionally started writing down some of the unwritten rules that I have found. They're not precicely policy by current standards, as they would exist even if I didn't write them down.

I've replied on the talk page with what I know of the unwritten rules for changing policy. Perhaps it's time to write some of that down.

''Note that the bold revert discuss cycle was once also such an unwritten rule. Note also that it is only a solution to a corner case which occurs in the larger concept.''

Kim Bruning 17:40, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

United States Bill of Rights
Hi, I'm soliciting Peer review comments from people who contributed to the FA on the 1st Amendment, since there doesn't seem to be any response at PR. Many thanks, Kaisershatner 21:12, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects
Hi Trey: Thanx for the article on (not) editing redirects. I'm not sure what I'm doing differently now then I was when I added the comment, but links to redirects are now popping up with the text to the redirected article. Probably something to do with 'popupAppendRedirNavLinks=true'. I deny changing anything, however :-) --Bob 07:49, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

The Dr. title
You are completely wrong. The MOSBIO reads "Academic and professional titles may be used in the head paragraph." What I wanted said is in the article so we can end the discussion. Arbusto 04:37, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Polls
Please read Consensus again, it actualy suggests polling surveys to gauge consensus. --Barberio 22:08, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

wp:see also
Hi, I was looking for a policy on what and what not to include under the 'see also' section of articles and the closest I got was the comments you left here
 * We do not link under "See also" articles that are wikilinked inside the article text, unless the article is very long and the link to the article is non-obvious. So the presumption is already that "See also" users have already read the article text....

Is there an actual policy or guideline regarding 'see also' or is it an 'unwritten rule' kind of thing? --Dodo bird 05:05, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

AWB and Barbara Kruger
Trey, thanks for correcting my error; when first I saw the spelling, I thought perhaps that the "allegience" version was intended but inexplicably made the edit without checking. With respect to AutoWikiBrowser, it's not actually a bot, and, so, whilst it can Google Wikipedia for misspellings, it's the responsibility of the user to correct those misspellings. The error, then, was wholly mine; I was using the list of common Wikipedia misspellings to make edits (all other iterations of allegience were ostensibly to have been "allegiance"), where it is suggested that one ensure that titles of films, books, and artwork, inter al., are not intentionally "misspelled" before editing. In sum, it was altogether my bad, and so there isn't any change you need make in order that the spelling should be left as is in the future. Thanks once more for returning the title to its proper form. Joe 22:25, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * There's really no way to mark it; anyone Googling from the list of common misspellings may come across the word and change it (AWB simply makes things faster). Perhaps the best thing to do--other than hoping that those of us who check spellings would properly ensure that we were making appropriate changes--would be to hide text in the article to the effect that the spelling is correct (using the  syntax).  In fact, I'll go do that myself now; that way, if someone should come to the article in the future (even using AWB) and find the "misspelling", he/she likely will see the note and leave everything as it is.  Joe 04:19, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

SmackBot
Hi Trey. Hopefully you won't see more than a very few of that type of edit on your watchlist in future. If you do, please let me know. Rich  Farmbrough 01:55 28  March 2006 (UTC).

The West Wing and AWB
Ah! Thanks for letting me know about this. Following the recent page move to conform with television series naming standards, every single article concerning TWW on the Wikipedia had a "bad" link. However, I see the excellent logic in your point. On a related note, would you believe that there are nearly 700 articles that link to The West Wing? Who knew its allusion were so broad? Thanks so much. — Scm83x hook 'em 23:19, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Italics
I hadn't seen that section in the MoS; as it's more usual (at least in the academic literature with which I'm familiar) to use inverted commas to indicate the mention as opposed to the use of a word, I reverted.That it was an edit by an anon and without an edit summary probably meant that I spent fractionally less time thinking about it, but that wasn't the reason that I reverted. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 20:54, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

re: Redlink entries on disambig pages get a blue link too
I just made minor fixes a couple of your MOS:DP compliance edits. Recently, the following language got added:
 * Redlinks should usually not be the only link in a given entry; link also to an existing article, so that a reader (as opposed to a contributing editor) will have somewhere to navigate to for additional information.

Just FYI, since it's new guidance. Thanks! --TreyHarris 05:00, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the update! --rogerd 05:04, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

your comments on the bot's approval page
Since you voiced concerns about my bot I just wanted to let you know that I have fixed the bugs and it is now back up and running doing it's assigned tasks. If you see any problems with the bot please don't hesitate to leave a note on my talk page. Thanks. Pegasus1138 Talk 00:14, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Cream is a condiment?
I've never heard of cream being considered a "condiment" before. Do you have a source for that? Thanks. --TreyHarris 15:57, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

to quote condiment ''A condiment is a substance applied to food, usually in the form of a sauce, powder, or spread, to enhance or improve the flavor. Condiments are typically smeared with knives, squirted, or sprinkled onto other foods.'' Makes it a condiment in my book. I won't argue it too hard, but it fits that definition. Perhaps that definition needs revising ? But, think of cream on a baked potatoe ? --Richardb43 16:46, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Sure, but my concern is that if you categorize cream as a condiment, why not onions, or garlic, or any number of other things that are usually considered foods to themselves, even though they aren't usually eaten alone? I note that condiment has some note that cream cheese isn't considered one. --TreyHarris 18:25, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Apostrophes
Hi Trey,

I liked your advice on the use of apostrophes after words ending in 's'. Could you please add it to the Manual of Style?

Thanks,

Djbb2 01:45, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Please revisit Anne Garrels
Trey, I appreciate all your hard work. I would like to ask you to revisit the Anne Garrels article, as I believe you are operating from an incorrect default assumption. Your assumption seems to be that information should be IN the article unless disproven, but our policy is exactly the opposite. Unless you can find a reliable, solid source for ANY information in Wikipedia, and especially for the biography of a living person, it must not be included in the article if it is under dispute, even from an anon.

As it stands, the unfortunate fact is that you re-inserted several times false information into this article, the stuff about Anne Garrels' alleged security detail. The only source was highly unreliable (the blog of an Al Jazeera reporter?), dangerous to the reporter in question (falsely accusing her security detail in Iraq of killing people), and completely false (she does not even HAVE a security detail, and I have this on the authority of a very senior person at NPR).

Please change your default stance! Negative and dangerous information must be excluded from Wikipedia unless it can be sourced to a RELIABLE source. We are not a forum for repeating gossip and rumors. --Jimbo Wales 20:02, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I posted on the talk page. I understand fully what happened, yes, you were acting in good faith to revert vandalism. It's a tricky business especially with bios of living persons, but the net result unfortunately was that you re-inserted a false claim over and over when the victim of the bad article was trying to fix it. Vandal fighters are often overworked, of course, so I am not blaming. But what I am examining is how we might better avoid this sort of thing in the future.--Jimbo Wales 01:56, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

"Don't fix links to redirects that aren't broken" suggested change
Trey, you may be interested in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Redirect. Ewlyahoocom 20:39, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Trey, please see my responses to you and my thread suggesting a change to the policy. I also apologize if I seemed like I was attacking the job you did writing the section, that was not my intention.  I definitely think that if we all work together we can do a good rewrite of the section and make it fit more into the guideline page. Pegasus1138 Talk  00:25, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Perl 6
I think you mis-read the diff. Here, look at it again:

The text that was broken was:
 * Other proposed terms for Perl 6's pattern matching constructs have included rules ...

This is just dead wrong. Rule and regex are not synonyms in Perl 6, and because of the close relationship between the two it is important to keep them distinct.

The text that you quoted is text that I merged up into the preceding paragraph. -Harmil 21:02, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

As of
Please check the example that you posted in Wikipedia_talk:As_of in January; you wrote this:
 * I disagree. I think many articles could benefit from "as of" links in the future. For instance, right now, one article, Ruvuma River, has an "as of 2008" link, in the sentence:

 * Construction is to finish in 2008 and will cost 28 billion USD.

 * This seems a perfect use for future "as of" links to me. It sounds like you are suggesting this should be recast either as

 * As of 2006, construction is expected to finish in 2008 and cost 28 billion USD.

 * or as:

 * Construction is to finish in 2008 and will cost 28 billion USD.

Note that your last example repeats what was the text at that time; the link has since been removed. --Scott McNay 02:35, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I can't figure out what you're saying. The last example is not the same as the first example, which was the text at the time.  A link to As of 2008 piped to "2008" is different from a link to As of 2006 piped to "2008", even if they appear the same in the rendered text.  As for the text being removed, it is convention to leave one's comments alone after posting, even if an example given changes (one can of course post an additional update, but I don't think one here would be salient to the point). --TreyHarris 22:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Michael Eric Dyson
Just wondering, why did you create Michael Eric Dyson as a redirect to Michael Dyson? For the most part, when I've heard him referred to, I've heard people use his middle name. If there's a good reason to do otherwise, I'd gladly accept the change. Thanks! Christopher Busta-Peck | Talk 21:45, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikilogos
I see you're active here, I thought you might be interested in my proposal for Wikipedia to use logo variations created by members of the wiki community to mark national and international awareness days, Remembrance Days, notable anniversaries, and observance days. Please comment on Village_pump_(proposals) and on my talk page. Thanks! FrummerThanThou 10:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:SAGE logo 234x60.png)
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Clarifiers in disambiguation pages
Hello, TreyHarris. After doing some research, I have found out that you were one of the participants in the discussion here about whether clarifiers (or Parenthetical Disambiguation Terms, PDTs, as I now call them—I didn't really know the simple term) should be italicised. The discussion has resulted in the current guideline on disambiguation page links, but there is a discussion taking place here about whether names of works, like Star Wars and Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which are normally italicised, should also be italicised within the clarifiers. Your input would certainly be appreciated. Waltham, The Duke of 15:49, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:FACfailed
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Nomination for deletion of Template:Lead too long
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Vardenafil

Vardenafil, sold under the brand name Levitra among others, is a medication that is used for treating erectile dysfunction. It is a PDE5 inhibitor. It is taken by mouth.

Medical use
Vardenafil's indications and contraindications are the same as with other PDE5 inhibitors; it is closely related in function to sildenafil citrate (Viagra) and tadalafil (Cialis). The difference between the vardenafil molecule and sildenafil citrate is a nitrogen atom's position and the change of sildenafil's piperazine ring methyl group to an ethyl group. Tadalafil is structurally different from both sildenafil and vardenafil. Vardenafil's relatively short effective time is comparable to but somewhat longer than sildenafil's. Vardenafil also does not have an effect on PDE6, which means that it does not have vision adverse effects.

Beyond its indications for erectile dysfunction, vardenafil may be effective in the treatment of premature ejaculation, where it may significantly increase the time from penetration to ejaculation.

Adverse reactions
The common, adverse drug reactions (side effects) are the same as with other PDE5 inhibitors. The frequent vardenafil-specific side-effect is nausea; the infrequent side effects are abdominal pain, back pain, photosensitivity, abnormal vision, eye pain, facial edema, hypotension, palpitation, tachycardia, arthralgia, myalgia, rash, itch, and priapism.

One possibly serious, but rare, side effect with vardenafil is heart attack. Also, in rare cases, vardenafil use may cause priapism, a very painful emergency condition that can cause impotence if left untreated.

In October 2007, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) announced that a warning about possible deafness (sudden hearing loss) would be added to the drug labels of vardenafil, and other PDE5 inhibitors.

Interactions
Vardenafil should not be used by people taking nitrate medications, because combining them with vardenafil might provoke potentially life-threatening hypotension (low blood pressure).

Further, vardenafil causes lengthening of the QT interval. Therefore, it should not be taken by people taking other medications that affect the QT interval (such as amiodarone).

History
Vardenafil was co-marketed by Bayer Pharmaceuticals, GlaxoSmithKline, and Schering-Plough under the brand name Levitra. As of 2005, the co-promotion rights of GSK on Levitra have been returned to Bayer in many markets outside the US. In Italy, Bayer sells vardenafil as Levitra and GSK sells it as Vivanza. Thus, because of European Union trade rules, parallel imports might result in Vivanza sold next to Levitra in the EU.

An orally disintegrating form, marketed as Staxyn and Levitra Soft, has been gaining approvals in countries such as the United States and Canada.

Tainted supplements
The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has found vardenafil and other synthetic PDE5 inhibitors in numerous products marketed as "herbal" supplements or "all natural" products for male enhancement.

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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User talk:Raylu

Hi Raylu, welcome to Wikipedia. :) I removed the link the image you added to bowler hat because the page it came from (although it was a .gov site) had a copyright notice.  Also, you might want to read the image use policy  and the picture tutorial to find out how to upload images so that they display on articles correctly. :)  fabiform | talk 04:06, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

Hello world program
There is no such thing as the JAVA programming language. It's Java. Look at (which is the authority on the subject) and see how many instances of JAVA over Java you see. Your other contributions to the article were very welcome though. CGS 00:36, 13 May 2004 (UTC).

Hm, I thought I saw somewhere that it was supposed to be JAVA. I feel stupid now that I realize I have a Java programming book in my room that only capitalizes the J. --raylu 23:20, May 13, 2004 (UTC)

"Credit"
thefreedictionary.com steals stuff from wikipedia, not the other way around. --Jiang 08:30, 21 May 2004 (UTC)

Cheat code
Why did you remove the cheat code MOTHERFUCKENKIWIBASTARD from cheat code? — J I P | Talk 18:06, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, like the article says, it wasn't very "family friendly." raylu 01:28, August 13, 2005 (UTC)

Ilama
Please see The tree of the Ilama and Ilama, the latter was blanked by the anon who created the former, SqueakBox
 * OK. I added "Ilama may also refer to The tree of the Ilama." to the Ilama page. raylu 20:39, August 13, 2005 (UTC)

Mesopotamia
thanks see the note I left on the image page. dab (ᛏ) 21:11, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Visual Basic Classic Wikibook
I see you have contributed to the Visual Basic article on Wikipedia. Any chance you would like to join in editing the wikibook: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:Visual_Basic_Classic? --Kjwhitefoot 09:27, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

User:Raylu/monobook.js
Hi, I've had a request on WP:RFPP to remove your monobook javascript from Category:Articles that need to be wikified. You may be surprised to find that it's even in this category! So was I.

The problem appears to be that MediaWiki interprets templates even in javascript. You have the following text:

 * document.editform.wpTextbox1.value = "\n\n"

If you change it along the lines of the following, the template will not be recognised by MediaWiki and the page should no longer appear in the category.

 * document.editform.wpTextbox1.value = "\n\n"

I'll leave the checking of javascript syntax and whatnot up to you; I'm a server-side kind of guy and it isn't my speciality. Sorry for the inconvenience. --Tony Sidaway Talk 17:01, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I've put /* */ 's in your monobook.js which should fix this problem. Hope you don't mind. Rich Farmbrough 12:30, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Egh, been away for a while; thanks. raylu 03:02, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Spelling correction
Well done spotting my typing error. But you missed "futher" for "further"! :-) Taxwoman 21:26, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

By the way, why is it funny that Bush said that more imports were coming from overseas? Imports to the USA from Mexico and Canada do not come from overseas, and he was correctly noting that the proportion of imports from these countries was decreasing. Taxwoman 21:37, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Catholic Encyclopedia
Yes it is OK in a licence sense, and if it's labelled NPOV in a policy sense. Still better for it to be updates and cleaned of POV though. Rich Farmbrough 22:00, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Edit summaries
First off, thank you for your work you do here. I noticed you tagging Dale W. Meyerrose as a copyvio, and I just thought I'd let you know that you should try to use edit summaries whenever possible. It helps other editors know what you are doing and saves them the time from checking to see what changes you made. :) -Greg Asche (talk) 00:31, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

 * That is fine if you forgot, just making sure you know, because it makes life easier on the rest of us. And it doesn't really matter, I like it if people reply on my page and I do so on theirs (it makes the new messages box light up), but when I post on someone's talk, I add it to my watchlist in case they respond there. -Greg Asche (talk) 01:26, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Copyright
See the bottom of my talk page :-) --HappyCamper 22:38, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

LD debate Wikify Marker
Would you mind explaining what exactly you feel is inconsistent the guidlines. I havn't been around very long and I'm not really objecting to the marking. But some specification as to what to change would be helpful.--Jsn4 06:59, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Get pagename
"var target = document.title.split("Editing ")[1].split(" - ")[0];" works (in edit mode) and "var target = document.title.split(" - ")[0];" work when not in edit mode. You can add a strip_namespace function if you don't want the name space (ie User, Talk, Project) to show. "target" for this page would yeild "User talk:Raylu". Hope that helps. Voice -of-  All T 03:23, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

quickWikify script
Just a note to thank you for your quickWikify script at WikiProject User scripts: I've found it immensely useful in recent times. Best of all, though, I've adapted it to other purposes, such as adding CVG deletion notices to AfD pages and automatically adding (and a rating) to computer and video game-related talk pages. I couldn't have done that without your original code, so thank you. You've saved me hours. :) RandyWang ( chat me up/fix me up ) 21:43, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't use this, but I left a note on the associated talk page. Would you consider doing a Quick de-wikify js? It would be ridiculously useful for Wikibooks and other projects which import WP articles as seed material. – Mike .lifeguard  | @en.wb 21:30, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If you can do it, we'd love to have it still. Thanks! – Mike .lifeguard  | @en.wb 16:10, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Invitation to events in June and July: bot, script, template, and Gadget makers wanted
I invite you to the yearly Berlin hackathon, 1-3 June. Registration is now open. If you need financial assistance or help with visa or hotel, then please register by May 1st and mention it in the registration form.

This is the premier event for the MediaWiki and Wikimedia technical community. We'll be hacking, designing, teaching, and socialising, primarily talking about ResourceLoader and Gadgets (extending functionality with JavaScript), the switch to Lua for templates, Wikidata, and Wikimedia Labs.

We want to bring 100-150 people together, including lots of people who have not attended such events before. User scripts, gadgets, API use, Toolserver, Wikimedia Labs, mobile, structured data, templates -- if you are into any of these things, we want you to come!

I also thought you might want to know about other upcoming events where you can learn more about MediaWiki customization and development, how to best use the web API for bots, and various upcoming features and changes. We'd love to have power users, bot maintainers and writers, and template makers at these events so we can all learn from each other and chat about what needs doing.

Check out the the developers' days preceding Wikimania in July in Washington, DC and our other events.

Best wishes! - Sumana Harihareswara, Wikimedia Foundation's Volunteer Development Coordinator. Please reply on my talk page, here or at mediawiki.org. Sumana Harihareswara, Wikimedia Foundation Volunteer Development Coordinator 22:07, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
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User scripts Newsletter - Invitation
Hi. Recently, I discovered a passion for created and understanding user scripts on wikipedia, and am planning to create a monthly newsletter about new scripts and related projects (created by anyone, not for simply promoting my own), as well as currently pending user script requests, Wikipedia-related JavaScript tips/tricks, and other related information. This message was sent to you because you are listed as a member of the user script developers category. If you would like to subscribe to this upcoming newsletter, please go to User:DannyS712/subscribe to scripts and add yourself. If you have any questions, please reach out and talk to me. --DannyS712 (talk) 05:22, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

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Welcome to the Wikipedia
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Cheers, Sam Spade 01:40, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

Miscegenation
I tried to answer your question at Talk:Miscegenation. gK ¿? 03:01, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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User talk:Toomin

Welcome to the Wikipedia
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Cheers, Sam Spade 01:41, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

WikiProject Melbourne
Hi, Toomin. Seeing as you've listed yourself at Wikipedians/Australia as being from Melbourne, why don't you drop by the WikiProject Melbourne and help add something to the Wikipedia about our city?

Be sure to visit the Project talk page, and if you are interested, you can become a member.

TPK 13:45, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC) (My talk page is at User talk:Hypernovean).

Melbourne meetup
Hey all, just a reminder that there's a meetup tomorrow at 11am in North Melbourne. There are more details at the meetup page. Hope to see you tomorrow! SteveBot (talk) 05:08, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Meetup invitation: Melbourne 26
Hi there! You are cordially invited to a meetup next Sunday (6 January). Details and an attendee list are at Meetup/Melbourne 26. Hope to see you there! John Vandenberg 07:02, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

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Gabrielle-Suzanne de Villeneuve

Gabrielle-Suzanne Barbot de Villeneuve (28 November 1685 – 29 December 1755) was a French novelist influenced by Madame d'Aulnoy, Charles Perrault, and various précieuse writers. Villeneuve is particularly noted for her original story of La Belle et la Bête, which was published in 1740 and is the oldest known variant of the fairy tale Beauty and the Beast.

Biography
Gabrielle-Suzanne de Villeneuve was born and died in Paris. She belonged to a powerful Protestant family from La Rochelle and was a descendant of Amos Barbot, a Peer of France and a deputy in the Estates General in 1614. His brother, Jean Amos, became mayor of La Rochelle in 1610. Another relative, Jean Barbot (1655-1712), was an early explorer of West Africa and the Caribbean, and worked as an agent on slave ships. He published his travel journals in French and English after he migrated to England to escape the persecution of Protestants after Louis XIV revoked the Edict of Nantes in 1685.

In 1706, Gabrielle-Suzanne married Jean-Baptiste Gaalon de Villeneuve, a member of a noble family from Poitou. Within six months of their marriage, she requested a separation of property from her husband, who had already squandered much of their substantial joint inheritance. A daughter was born, but no records indicate if she survived. In 1711, Gabrielle-Suzanne became a widow at the age of 26. She lost her fortune and was forced to seek employment to support herself. Eventually, she made her way back to Paris, where she met Prosper Jolyot de Crébillon, or Crébillon père, the most famous writer of tragedies of the period. It is likely that she began co-habitating with Crébillon père in the early 1730s, although the earliest documented date is 1748. She remained with him until her death in 1755 and assisted him with his duties as the royal literary censor. She thus became knowledgeable about the literary tastes of the Parisian reading public.

Major works
Gabrielle-Suzanne de Villeneuve published both fairy tales and novels. Her publications include a novella, Le Phénix conjugal (1734, The Conjugal Phoenix); two collections of fairy tales, La Jeune Américaine ou les Contes marins (1740) and Les Belles Solitaires (1745); and four novels, Le Beau-frère supposé (1752), La Jardinière de Vincennes (1753, The Gardener of Vincennes), Le juge prévenu (1754, The Biased Judge), and Mémoires de Mesdemoiselles de Marsange (1757, Memoirs of Mlles de Marsange). La Jardinière de Vincennes was considered her masterpiece and gave her her greatest commercial success. The Bibliographie du genre romanesque français 1751-1800 lists 15 editions of this novel.

Beauty and the Beast
Gabrielle-Suzanne de Villeneuve is particularly noted for her original story of La Belle et la Bête, which was published in her La jeune américaine, et les contes marins in 1740, and is the oldest known modern variant of the fairy tale Beauty and the Beast. This book, which is as long as a conventional novel, was influenced by the style of 17th-century novels and contains many subplots or intercalated stories, one of which is the story of Beauty and the Beast. The Beast is "bête" in both senses of the French word: both a beast and lacking in intelligence. After her death, Villeneuve's tale was abridged, rewritten, and published by Jeanne-Marie Leprince de Beaumont in 1756 in her Magasin des enfants to teach young English girls a moral lesson. In her widely popular publication, Leprince de Beaumont gave no credit to Villeneuve and thus she is often wrongly referred to as the author of the tale. Her shortened version is the one most commonly known today.

The Beast, a prince, loses his father at a young age. His mother has to wage war to defend his kingdom, and leaves him in the care of an evil fairy. This fairy attempts to seduce him when he reaches adulthood. He rejects her and she transforms him into a beast. He must remain in this form until someone agrees to marry him without knowing his past. In a neighboring kingdom, Beauty is the daughter of a king and a different fairy. Beauty's mother has broken the laws of fairy society by falling in love with a human, so she is sentenced to remain in the fairy land and Beauty is sentenced to marry a hideous beast when she grows up (the same beast that the prince was turned into). After Beauty's mother disappears, the evil fairy unsuccessfully attempts to take Beauty's life and marry her father. Beauty's aunt, another good fairy, intervenes and exchanges Beauty for the dead daughter of a merchant. She also places the Beast in a magically hidden castle until Beauty grows old enough to meet him.

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Chromite

Chromite is a crystalline mineral composed primarily of iron(II) oxide and chromium(III) oxide compounds. It can be represented by the chemical formula of FeCr2O4. It is an oxide mineral belonging to the spinel group. The element magnesium can substitute for iron in variable amounts as it forms a solid solution with magnesiochromite (MgCr2O4). A substitution of the element aluminium can also occur, leading to hercynite (FeAl2O4). Chromite today is mined particularly to make stainless steel through the production of ferrochrome (FeCr), which is an iron-chromium alloy.

Chromite grains are commonly found in large mafic igneous intrusions such as the Bushveld in South Africa and India. Chromite is iron-black in color with a metallic luster, a dark brown streak and a hardness on the Mohs scale of 5.5.

Properties
Chromite minerals are mainly found in mafic-ultramafic igneous intrusions and are also sometimes found in metamorphic rocks. The chromite minerals occur in layered formations that can be hundreds of kilometres long and a few meters thick. Chromite is also common in iron meteorites and form in association with silicates and troilite minerals.

Crystal structure
The chemical composition of chromite can be represented as FeCr2O4, with the iron in the +2 oxidation state and the chromium in the +3 oxidation state. Chromite, when presented as an ore, or in massive form, forms as fine granular aggregates. The structure of the ore can be seen as platy, with breakages along planes of weakness. Chromite can also be presented in a thin section. The grains seen in thin sections are disseminated with crystals that are euhedral to subhedral.

Chromite contains Mg, ferrous iron [Fe(II)], Al and trace amounts of Ti. Chromite can change into different minerals based on the amounts of each element in the mineral. Chromite is a part of the spinel group, which means that it is able to form a complete solid solution series with other members in the same group. These include minerals such as chenmingite (FeCr2O4), xieite (FeCr2O4), magnesiochromite (MgCr2O4) and magnetite (Fe2+Fe3+2O4). Chenmingite and xieite are polymorphs of chromite while magnesiochromite and magnetite are isostructural with chromite.

Crystal size and morphology
Chromite occurs as massive and granular crystals and very rarely as octahedral crystals. Twinning for this mineral occurs on the {III} plane as described by the spinel law.

Grains of minerals are generally small in size. However, chromite grains up to 3 cm have been found. These grains are seen to crystallize from the liquid of a meteorite body where there are low amounts of chromium and oxygen. The large grains are associated with stable supersaturated conditions seen from the meteorite body.

Reactions
Chromite is an important mineral in helping to determine the conditions that rocks form. It can have reactions with various gases such as CO and CO2. The reaction between these gases and the solid chromite grains results in the reduction of the chromite and allows for the formation of iron and chromium alloys. There could also be a formation of metal carbides from the interaction with chromite and the gases.

Chromite is seen to form early in the crystallization process. This allows for chromite to be resistant to the alteration effects of high temperatures and pressures seen in the metamorphic series. It is able to progress through the metamorphic series unaltered. Other minerals with a lower resistance are seen to alter in this series to minerals such as serpentine, biotite and garnet.

Distribution of deposits
Chromite is found as orthocumulate lenses in peridotite from the Earth's mantle. It also occurs in layered, ultramafic intrusive rocks. In addition, it is found in metamorphic rocks such as some serpentinites. Ore deposits of chromite form as early magmatic differentiates. It is commonly associated with olivine, magnetite, serpentine and corundum. The vast Bushveld Igneous Complex of South Africa is a large layered mafic to ultramafic igneous body with some layers consisting of 90% chromite, forming the rare rock type chromitite (cf. chromite the mineral and chromitite, a rock containing chromite). The Stillwater Igneous Complex in Montana also contains significant chromite.

Chromite suitable for commercial mining is found in just a handful of very substantial deposits. There are 2 main types of chromite deposits: stratiform deposits and podiform deposits. Stratiform deposits in layered intrusions are the main source of chromite resources and are found in South Africa, Canada, Finland, and Madagascar. Chromite resources from podiform deposits are mainly found in Kazakhstan, Turkey, and Albania. Zimbabwe is the only country that contains notable chromite reserves in both stratiform and podiform deposits.

Stratiform deposits
Stratiform deposits are formed as large sheet-like bodies, usually formed in layered mafic to ultramafic igneous complexes. This type of deposit is used to obtain 98% of the worldwide chromite reserves.

Stratiform deposits are typically seen to be of Precambrian in age and are found in cratons. The mafic to ultramafic igneous provinces that these deposits are formed in were likely intruded into continental crust, which may have contained granites or gneisses. The shapes of these intrusions are described as tabular or funnel-shaped. The tabular intrusions were placed in the form of sills with the layering of these intrusions being parallel. Examples of these tabular intrusions can be seen in the Stillwater Igneous Complex and Bird River. The funnel-shaped intrusions are seen to be dipping towards the center of the intrusion. This gives the layers in this intrusion a syncline formation. Examples of this type of intrusion can be seen in the Bushveld Igneous Complex and the Great Dyke.

Chromite can be seen in stratiform deposits as multiple layers which consist of chromitite. Thicknesses for these layers range between 1 cm and 1 m. Lateral depths can reach lengths of 70 km. Chromitite is the main rock in these layers, with 50–95% of it being made of chromite and the rest being composed of olivine, orthopyroxene, plagioclase, clinopyroxene, and the various alteration products of these minerals. An indication of water in the magma is determined by the presence of brown mica.

Podiform deposits
Podiform deposits are seen to occur within the ophiolite sequences. The stratigraphy of the ophiolite sequence is deep-ocean sediments, pillow lavas, sheeted dykes, gabbros and ultramafic tectonites.

These deposits are found in ultramafic rocks, most notably in tectonites. It can be seen that the abundance of podiform deposits increase towards the top of the tectonites.

Podiform deposits are irregular in shape. "Pod" is a term given by geologists to express the uncertain morphology of this deposit. This deposit shows foliation that is parallel to the foliation of the host rock. Podiform deposits are described as discordant, subconcordant and concordant. Chromite in podiform deposits form as anhedral grains. The ores seen in this type of deposit have nodular texture and are loosely-packed nodules with a size range of 5–20 mm. Other minerals that are seen in podiform deposits are olivine, orthopyroxene, clinopyroxene, pargasite, Na-mica, albite, and jadeite.

Health and environmental impacts
Chromium extracted from chromite is used on a large scale in many industries, including metallurgy, electroplating, paints, tanning, and paper production. Environmental contamination with hexavalent chromium is a major health and environmental concern. Chromium is most stable in its trivalent (Cr(III)) form, seen in stable compounds such as natural ores. Cr(III) is an essential nutrient, required for lipid and glucose metabolism in animals and humans. In contrast, the second most stable form, hexavalent chromium (Cr(VI)), is generally produced through human activity and rarely seen in nature (as in crocoite), and is a highly toxic carcinogen that may kill animals and humans if ingested in large doses.

Health effects

When chromite ore is mined, it is aimed for the production of ferrochrome and produces a chromite concentrate of a high chromium to iron ratio. It can also be crushed and processed. Chromite concentrate, when combined with a reductant such as coal or coke and a high temperature furnace can produce ferrochrome. Ferrochrome is a type of ferroalloy that is an alloy in between chromium and iron. This ferroalloy, as well as chromite concentrate can introduce various health effects. Introducing a definitive control approach and distinct mitigation techniques can provide importance related to the safety of human health.

When chromite ore is exposed to surface conditions, weathering and oxidation can occur. The element chromium is most abundant in chromite in the form of trivalent (Cr-III). When chromite ore is exposed to aboveground conditions, Cr-III can be converted to Cr-VI, which is the hexavalent state of chromium. Cr-VI is produced from Cr-III by means of dry milling or grinding of the ore. This is due to the moistness of the milling process as well as the atmosphere in which the milling is taking place. A wet environment and a non-oxygenated atmosphere are ideal conditions to produce less Cr-VI, while the opposite is known to create more Cr-VI.

Production of ferrochrome is observed to emit pollutants into the air such as nitrogen oxides, carbon oxides and sulfur oxides, as well as dust particulates with a high concentration of heavy metals such as chromium, zinc, lead, nickel and cadmium. During high temperature smelting of chromite ore to produce Ferrochrome, Cr-III is converted to Cr-VI. As with chromite ore, Ferrochrome is milled and therefore produces Cr-VI. Cr-VI is therefore introduced into the dust when the Ferrochrome is produced. This introduces health risks such as inhalation potential and leaching of toxins into the environment. Human exposure to chromium is ingestion, skin contact, and inhalation. Chromium-III and VI will accumulate in the tissues of humans and animals. The excretion of this type of chromium from the body tends to be very slow which means that elevated concentrations of chromium can be seen decades later in human tissues.

Environmental effects

Chromite mining, chromium, and ferrochrome production can toxically effect the environment. Chromite mining is necessary when it comes to the production of economic commodities.

As a result of leaching of soils and the explicit discharge from industrial activities, weathering of rocks that contain chromium will enter the water column. The route of chromium uptake in plants is still ambiguous, but because it is a nonessential element, chromium will not have a distinct mechanism for that uptake which is independent from chromium speciation. Plant studies have shown that toxic effects on plants from chromium include things such as wilting, narrow leaves, delayed or reduced growth, a decrease in chlorophyll production, damage to root membranes, small root systems, death and many more. Chromium's structure is similar to other essential elements which means that it can impact the mineral nutrition of plants. During industrial activities and production things such as sediment, water, soil, and air all become polluted and contaminated with chromium. Hexavalent chromium has negative impacts towards soil ecology because it decreases soil micro-organism presence, function, and diversity. Chromium concentrations in soil diversify depending on the different compositions of the sediments and rocks that the soil is made from. The chromium present in soil is a mixture of both Cr(VI) and Cr(III). Certain types of chromium such as Chromium-VI has the capability to pass into the cells of organisms. Dust particles from industry operations and industrial wastewater contaminate and pollute surface water, groundwater, and soils.

In aquatic environments, chromium could experience things such as dissolution, sorption, precipitation, oxidation, reduction, and desorption. In aquatic ecosystems chromium bioaccumulates in invertebrates, aquatic plants, fish, and algae. These toxic effects will operate differently because things such as sex, size, and the development stage of an organism may vary. Things such as the temperature of the water, its alkalinity, salinity, pH, and other contaminants will also impact these toxic effects on organisms.

Applications
Chromite can be used as a refractory material because it has a high heat stability. The chromium extracted from chromite is used in chrome plating and alloying for production of corrosion resistant superalloys, nichrome, and stainless steel. Chromium is used as a pigment for glass, glazes, and paint, and as an oxidizing agent for tanning leather. It is also sometimes used as a gemstone.

Usually known as chrome, it is a very essential industrial metal. It is hard and resistant to corrosion. This is used for things such as nonferrous alloys, the production of stainless steel, chemicals that process leather, and the creation of pigments. Stainless steel usually contains about 18 percent of chromium. The chromium in the stainless steel is the material which hardens making it resilient to corrosion.

Most shiny car trim is chromium plated. Superalloys that contain chromium allow jet engines to run under high stress, in a chemically oxidizing environment, and in high-temperature situations.

Porcelain tile pigmentation
Porcelain tiles are often produced with many different colours and pigmentations. The usual contributor to colour in fast-fired porcelain tiles is black pigment, which is fairly expensive and is synthetic. Natural chromite allows for an inexpensive and inorganic pigmentation alternative to the expensive and allows for the microstructure and mechanical properties of the tiles to not be substantially altered or modified when introduced.

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Talk:Province of Seville

Please don't move this page again without discussion on the relevant Naming conventions talk page(s). Thanks, BCorr | Брайен 01:50, May 12, 2004 (UTC)

Odd details in "Overview"
While I accept their accuracy, I'm not sure what the relevance of the following statements is:
 * The anecdote about Estepa, which is located not with other historical information but seemingly randomly
 * The comment about the Baroque churches (probably adequately covered in Seville, as specific to city)

Any compelling reasons to keep these? CMV512 (talk) 05:06, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

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In the Air Tonight

"In the Air Tonight" is the debut solo single by English drummer and singer-songwriter Phil Collins. It was released as the lead single from Collins's debut solo album, Face Value, in January 1981.

Collins co-produced "In the Air Tonight" with Hugh Padgham, who became a frequent collaborator in the following years. It reached No. 2 on the UK Singles Chart behind the posthumous release of John Lennon's "Woman". It reached No. 1 in Austria, Germany, Switzerland and Sweden, and the top 10 in Australia, New Zealand and several other European territories. It reached No. 19 on the Billboard Hot 100 in the United States, and reached No. 2 on the Rock Tracks Chart, later certified gold by the RIAA, representing 500,000 copies sold. The song's music video, directed by Stuart Orme, received heavy play on MTV when the new cable music video channel launched in August 1981.

"In the Air Tonight" remains one of Collins' best-known hits, often cited as his signature song, and is especially famous for its drum break towards the end, which has been described as "the sleekest, most melodramatic drum break in history" and one of the "101 Greatest Drumming Moments". In 2006, the song was ranked at number 35 in VH1's "100 Greatest Songs of the 80s". In 2021, it was listed at No. 291 in Rolling Stone's "500 Greatest Songs of All Time".

Inspiration
Collins wrote the song amid the grief he felt after divorcing his first wife Andrea Bertorelli in 1980. In a 2016 interview, Collins said of the song's lyrics: "I wrote the lyrics spontaneously. I'm not quite sure what the song is about, but there's a lot of anger, a lot of despair and a lot of frustration." In a 1997 BBC Radio 2 documentary, the singer revealed that the divorce contributed to his 1979 hiatus from the band Genesis, until they regrouped in October of that year to record the album Duke. Collins remembered playing the song to Mike Rutherford and Tony Banks but he felt it was too simple for the group.

Musical style
"In the Air Tonight" has been described as being "at the vanguard of experimental pop" in 1981 and "a rock oddity classic", having been influenced by "the unconventional studio predilections of Brian Eno and Peter Gabriel". It has also been described as a "soft rock classic." Musically, the song consists of a series of ominous chords played on a Sequential Circuits Prophet-5 over a simple drum machine pattern (the Roland CR-78 Disco-2 pattern, plus some programming); processed electric guitar sounds and vocoded vocals, an effect which is increased on key words to add additional atmosphere. The mood is one of restrained anger until the final chorus when an explosive burst of drums finally releases the musical tension and the instrumentation explodes into a thunderous crescendo. Composed in D minor, it has a moderate tempo of 96 beats per minute.

Collins has described obtaining the drum machine specifically to deal with personal issues relating to his divorce through songwriting, telling Mix magazine: "I had to start writing some of this music that was inside me". He improvised the lyrics during a songwriting session in the studio: "I was just fooling around. I got these chords that I liked, so I turned the mic on and started singing. The lyrics you hear are what I wrote spontaneously. That frightens me a bit, but I'm quite proud of the fact that I sang 99.9 percent of those lyrics spontaneously".

Drum sound
The song is famous for its use of the gated reverb drum sound. Fellow musicians and journalists have commented on its use in the record. Black Sabbath singer Ozzy Osbourne called the drum fill "the best ever – it still sounds awesome", while music critic and broadcaster Stuart Maconie was quoted:

"Musically, it's an extraordinarily striking record, because almost nothing happens in it ... It's the drum sound in particular that's amazing. You don't hear it at all for the first two minutes of the song ... then there's that great doo-dom doo-dom doo-dom comes in, and the drums come in half way through the song, setting the template for all the Eighties drum songs after that."

The means by which Collins attained the drum sound on this recording was long a source of mystery. The exact process was a result of serendipity: an unintended use of studio technology giving unexpectedly useful results.

In this case, the Solid State Logic SL 4000 mixing board had a "reverse talk-back" circuit (labelled on the board as "Listen Mic"). Normal "talkback" is a button that the mixing engineer has to press in order to talk to the recording musicians (the recording and the mixing parts of a studio are, otherwise, completely sonically isolated). Reverse talkback is a circuit (also button-activated) for the engineer to listen to the musicians in the studio. In order to compensate for sound level differences—people can be close to the reverse talkback microphone or far off—this circuit has a compressor on it, which minimises the differences between loud and soft sounds. While recording "Intruder" for his former bandmate Peter Gabriel's third solo album, at some point Collins started playing the drums while the reverse talkback was activated. Engineer Hugh Padgham was amazed at the sound achieved. Overnight, they rewired the board so that the reverse talkback could be recorded in a more formal manner. Later models of the SSL 4000 allowed the listen mic to be recorded with the touch of a button.

When recording engineer Padgham was brought in to help develop Collins' demos that would become Face Value they recreated the "Intruder" sound using the reverse talkback microphone as well as heavily compressed and gated ambient mics. Padgham continued working with Genesis for Abacab later in 1981 and the same technique (generally referred to as gated reverb) was used, and the powerful drum sound has become synonymous with later Genesis projects and Collins' solo career ever since.

The original single version of "In the Air Tonight" features extra drums that play underneath the song until the signature drum crash (referred to by fans as the "magic break") appears. These were added at the suggestion of Atlantic Records head Ahmet Ertegun. In 2007, Collins wrote:

"Ahmet came down to the final mix in the cutting room in New York ... The drums don't come in until the end but Ahmet didn't know that at this point, because on the demo the drums hadn't come in at all; it was only drum machine all the way. And he was saying, 'Where's the down beat, where's the backbeat?' I said, 'The drums come in in a minute.' 'Yeah, you know that and I know that, but the kids don't know that; you've got to put the drums on earlier.' So we added some drums to the mix and put it out as a single."

Release
Speaking about the song's rapid ascension in the music charts, Collins wrote the following in 2007:

"It was a surprise. The single came in at No. 36, I did Top of the Pops with Dave Lee Travis, and in one of the down moments he said, 'This record is going to be a top three.' I didn't believe him, because it had been made so haphazardly, but the next week, there it was at No. 3. And then Mark Chapman shot John Lennon and that was that."

The song appeared as part of the soundtrack for the 1983 movie Risky Business and plays when the characters played by Tom Cruise and Rebecca De Mornay have sex on a subway train.

In 1984, the song was memorably used in a scene from the first episode of the television series Miami Vice, which film and television critic Matt Zoller Seitz cited as why the song has been stamped as "Property of Michael Mann" (the series' executive producer) for years, rarely being used in other screen works due to its indelible use in the series, akin to Martin Scorsese's signature use of songs by the Rolling Stones for his films. "In the Air Tonight" received a new wave of attention thanks to its use in the series, enough for it to rise in sales outside the Billboard Hot 100 at number 102.

The song was remixed in 1988 by Ben Liebrand for his weekly appearance in the Curry & Van Inkel radio show on Dutch radio. The mix was completed and then taken by Liebrand to be part of a mix showcase at the DMC Mixing Championship Finals in London, attended by 3500 worldwide deejays. The mix was picked up by Virgin Records for an official release, which hit Number 4 in the UK charts.

In July 2020, a video reaction to the song by TwinsthenewTrend increased the sales and streaming of Collins's original version. The TwinsthenewTrend first-listen video was viewed 4.9 million times in its first two weeks online. Continued popularity brought new traffic to the Collins song which rose to number 3 on Billboard Digital Song Sales chart in August 2020.

Critical reception
Record World called the song "futuristic pop that's also rhythmically captivating."

Urban legend
An urban legend has arisen about "In the Air Tonight", according to which the lyrics are based on a drowning incident in which someone who was close enough to save the victim did not help them, while Collins, who was too far away to help, looked on. Increasingly embellished variations on the legend emerged over time, with the stories often culminating in Collins singling out the guilty party while singing the song at a concert. Collins has denied all such stories; he commented on the legends about the song in a BBC World Service interview:

"I don't know what this song is about. When I was writing this I was going through a divorce. And the only thing I can say about it is that it's obviously in anger. It's the angry side, or the bitter side of a separation. So what makes it even more comical is when I hear these stories which started many years ago, particularly in America, of someone come up to me and say, 'Did you really see someone drowning?' I said, 'No, wrong.' And then every time I go back to America the story gets Chinese whispers, it gets more and more elaborate. It's so frustrating, 'cause this is one song out of all the songs probably that I've ever written that I really don't know what it's about, you know?"

The urban legend is referenced in the song "Stan" by Eminem. The reference is contained in the following lyrics:

The urban legend is referenced in the Family Guy episode "The Peter Principal" as Brian is listening to Bonnie and Joe argue about the contents of the song.

Cadbury's Dairy Milk Chocolate 2007 Gorilla Advert
The song gained new found fame and legions of fans when it was famously used in a memorable 2007 Cadbury's Dairy Milk advert featuring a gorilla (really a man in a suit), warming up and playing the famous drum fill towards the end of the advert.

Upon seeing the advert, Collins stated in a BBC interview that he thought the advert was 'fantastic'.

The song eventually reached number 14 in the UK Top 40 charts and appeared on the 'Now That's What I Call Music 68' UK CD.

Music video
The music video (directed by Stuart Orme) animates the photograph of Collins's face from the cover of the Face Value album, slowly fading in through the introduction until it fills the screen, singing the first chorus. The video then cuts to Collins sitting in an empty room at night. Twice a spectral figure appears in the window, but only the second time does Collins get up to look at it, then is shown walking to the one door of the room.

Collins's face returns for the second chorus. He is then shown leaving the room and entering a hallway full of doors. The first one is locked, then the second opens and Collins sees himself looking at the window again, only now the spectre has turned into his own reflection.

The third door is locked, but as the fourth one opens, the drum break sounds and the viewer is returned to Collins's face again, this time in thermal coloring, which gradually reverts to black and white. His reflection from the window is briefly superimposed on the face, this time seemingly reflected in water. Collins recedes into the darkness as the song repeats and fades.

In 1983 the music video was released on the home video Phil Collins available on VHS and LaserDisc which received a Grammy nomination for Best Video, Short Form.

Performance
"In the Air Tonight" remains a popular selection on classic rock radio stations. It is the song most often associated with Collins' solo career, and he has performed it at many events, including Live Aid, where he played the song on a piano on the same calendar day in both Philadelphia and London. He also performed the song at The Secret Policeman's Ball, which was his first live performance as a solo artist. "I remember doing 'In the Air Tonight' at Live Aid," he recalled, "and [Pete] Townshend saying, 'Are you going to do that fucking song again?' as if it was the only one I ever played."

Single and credits
VSK102 UK Single Release (Martin H)

 * 1) "In the Air Tonight"
 * 2) "The Roof Is Leaking"

Sleeve includes a black and white 12-page cartoon storyboard drawn by Collins' brother Clive Collins.

UK and US single (1981)

 * 1) "In the Air Tonight" – 4:57
 * 2) * Phil Collins – Roland CR-78 drum machine, vocals, drums, Prophet 5 synthesizer, Rhodes piano, Roland VP-330 vocoder
 * 3) * John Giblin – bass
 * 4) * Daryl Stuermer – guitar
 * 5) * L. Shankar – violins
 * 6) "The Roof Is Leaking" – 3:36
 * 7) * Phil Collins – piano, vocal
 * 8) * Daryl Stuermer – banjo
 * 9) * Joe Partridge – slide guitar
 * A demo track for "In the Air Tonight" also appeared on the "If Leaving Me Is Easy" single.

12" German maxi-single (1981)

 * 1) "In the Air Tonight" (album version) – 5:35
 * 2) * Phil Collins – Roland CR-78 drum machine, vocals, drums, Prophet 5 synthesizer, Rhodes piano, Roland VP-330 vocoder
 * 3) * John Giblin – bass
 * 4) * Daryl Stuermer – guitar
 * 5) * L. Shankar – violins
 * 6) "The Roof Is Leaking" – 3:36
 * 7) * Phil Collins – piano, vocal
 * 8) * Daryl Stuermer – banjo
 * 9) * Joe Partridge – slide guitar

Japan CD single (1988)

 * 1) "In the Air Tonight" (extended)
 * 2) "In the Air Tonight" ('88 remix)
 * 3) "I Missed Again" (Album Version)

German CD single (1990)
(catalogue 2292-57672-2)
 * 1) "In the Air Tonight" (extended version) – 7:33 (Additional production by Ben Liebrand)
 * 2) "In the Air Tonight" ('88 remix) – 5:07 (Remixed by Phil Collins and Hugh Padgham)
 * 3) "I Missed Again" – 3:42

Personnel

 * Phil Collins – vocals, drums, Roland VP-330 vocoder, CR-78 drum machine, Prophet-5 synthesizer, Rhodes piano
 * Daryl Stuermer – guitar
 * John Giblin – bass
 * L. Shankar – violin

Lil' Kim version
"In the Air Tonite" is a reworking of Phil Collins' 1981 single "In the Air Tonight" recorded by American rapper Lil' Kim for the R&B/hip hop Phil Collins tribute album Urban Renewal. The song, promoted as a duet between Collins and Lil' Kim, was released in 2001 as the second single from the album. The song's accompanying music video combines scenes from the original video with new scenes featuring Lil' Kim. It was featured in The Box Netherlands HitMix 2001. The single has been certified Platinum in Germany by the IFPI.

Cover versions

 * In 2004, the band Nonpoint recorded a cover for their album, Recoil. This cover would later be featured in the soundtrack of the 2006 film adaptation of Miami Vice.
 * In 2016, the band Mic Lowry released an adaptation of the song titled "Oh Lord". A music video was released on 29 September 2016 on the band's official YouTube page. The band was chosen Elvis Duran's Artist of the Month for March 2017 and were invited to perform the song nationwide in the United States through The Today Show presented by Kathie Lee Gifford and Hoda Kotb. They also performed live on The Wendy Williams Show on 8 March 2017. The song charted in the UK Singles Chart reaching number 54 on the chart.
 * In 2017, the band In This Moment recorded a cover for their album, Ritual.
 * Marissa Nadler and Stephen Brodsky recorded a cover in 2019.
 * Chris Stapleton, Snoop Dogg and Cindy Blackman Santana recorded a cover version as the theme song for Monday Night Football in 2023.

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Spider (pulp fiction character)

The Spider is an American pulp-magazine hero of the 1930s and 1940s. The character was created by publisher Harry Steeger and written by a variety of authors for 118 monthly issues of The Spider from 1933 to 1943. The Spider sold well during the 1930s, and copies are valued by modern pulp magazine collectors. Pulp magazine historian Ed Hulse has stated "Today, hero-pulp fans value The Spider more than any single-character magazine except for The Shadow and Doc Savage."

Creation and publication history
The Spider was created in 1933 by Harry Steeger at Popular Publications as direct competition to Street and Smith Publications' vigilante hero the Shadow. Steeger said he got the idea for the character's name when he was playing tennis and saw a large spider walking along the edge of the court. Steeger also sought to emulate the films of Douglas Fairbanks, while historians George E. Turner and Michael H. Price felt the character was also descended from Siegfried, Fantômas and The Bat.

Recognizing that imitating the Shadow created the potential for lawsuits as well as the potential for strong sales, Streeger consulted his lawyer, who advised him to hire a writer with an established character and have him transform that character into the Spider. Thus, R.T.M. Scott's detective character Aurelius Smith and Hindu assistant Langa Doone became, respectively, Richard Wentworth and Ram Singh. The first two novels were written by R.T.M. Scott, but they were deemed too slow-paced, so another author was brought in. Later stories were published under the house pen name of "Grant Stockbridge", which was intended to recall Maxwell Grant, the house pen name which the Shadow novels were attributed to. Most of the Spider novels were actually written by Norvell Page. Other authors of the series included Donald C. Cormack, Wayne Rogers, Emile C. Tepperman, and Prentice Winchell. The series was the first Popular pulp to be named after a character rather than a genre.

The cover artists for The Spider magazine were Walter M. Baumhofer for the debut issue, followed by John Newton Howitt and Rafael De Soto. The Spider was published monthly and ran for 118 issues from 1933 to 1943. Sales declined in the late 1930s due to surging competition from superhero comics and (despite Spider novels making concessions to the popularity of superheroes, such as an increasing number of costumed villains) never fully recovered. Paper shortages during World War II and a declining readership following Page's departure to work on propaganda also played their part.

A 119th Spider novel manuscript (Slaughter Incorporated) had been completed but was not published until decades later (as Blue Steel), a heavily rewritten mass-market paperback with renamed characters. In 2012, Moonstone Books finally published it as Slaughter, Inc., in its original unedited form. The novel was again reprinted in 2018 by Altus Press as a facsimile edition, this time designed to look like a 1940s pulp.

Stories
The Spider stories often involve a bizarre menace to the country and a criminal conspiracy. They were often extremely violent, with the villains engaging in wanton slaughter of thousands as part of sometimes nationwide crime sprees. Pulp magazine historian Ed Hulse noted that "Spider novel death tolls routinely ran into the thousands". The master criminal of the stories is usually unmasked only in the last few pages. The stories often end with Wentworth killing the villains and stamping their corpses' foreheads with his "Spider" mark.

Will Murray would note the character's brutality and willingness to kill criminals, even occasionally pre-emptively. Price and Turner also noted he was considerably more brutal and violent than other pulp heroes, especially under Page, who they stated "maintained in the character a viciousness that placed The Spider magazine in a par with the horror-anthology pulps of its day".

A complete list of all 119 Spider pulps in the original series is available online at fan sites (see The Spider | List.)

The Spider
The Spider is millionaire playboy Richard Wentworth, who served as a major in World War I, and was living in New York City unaffected by the financial deprivations of the Great Depression. The ninth pulp represents him as the last surviving member of a rich family. Wentworth is easily identified as the Spider by his enemies in a number of earlier novels and is arrested by the police, only to escape. He adopts a cover identity - Tito Caliepi - and associated aliases. The Spider's earliest costume consisted of a simple black domino mask, black hat, and cape. Later in the series, vampire-like makeup appears, which is replaced with a face mask featuring grizzled hair and finally a hunchback. These are added to terrorize the criminal underworld, while the Spider dispenses his brand of violent vigilante justice. Utilizing his talent as a violinist, Wentworth (posing as Caliepi), sometimes uses busking as part of his disguise.

Wentworth also ventures into the underworld disguised as small-time hood Blinky McQuade in order to gain needed information. To Scotland Yard, Wentworth is known as Rupert Barton, who holds a badge of Inspector for services rendered; by the fifth novel, he also holds the rank of lieutenant in the FBI. Wentworth, according to the fifth story, is 5ft 11in tall, and has grey eyes. He has an old battle scar on his head that flares up at times of great stress. He is an accomplished pianist and violinist, and drives a Lancia. He speaks fluent Hindustani and so talks with Ram Singh in his own language, with little fear anyone else would understand what is being said. As written by Page, Wentworth was also psychologically vulnerable and suffers frequent bouts of fear, self-doubt, despair and paranoia.

The Spider's seal and weapons
The Spider's calling card is a red-ink spider image (like a drop of blood) left on the foreheads of the criminals he kills, so others will not be blamed. In the sixth novel (1934), the Spider imprints his red sign on a gold ring so that any who need his help can use it by taking it to Kirkpatrick (where Wentworth will find out about it). The Spider's seal was concealed in the base of his platinum cigarette lighter, and was invented by Professor Brownlee. The Spider also carried a thin silken line (his "web") which had a tensile strength of several hundred pounds. Wentworth was also a master of disguise. In the small steel case of burglar tools he carried under his arm, he also had his make-up kit and (in the early novels) his Spider's eye mask.

Like The Shadow, The Spider's usual weapons of choice are a pair of Colt .45 caliber M1911 automatic pistols. He is a crack shot and normally shoots to kill. However, he would not shoot anyone in law enforcement, although they frequently are under orders to shoot to kill him on sight. Brownlee also invented the lethal and almost silent air pistol the Spider used for "quiet" kills. He acted as a sort of on-call weaponsmith for Wentworth, whom he looked upon as being close to a son. Wentworth also had a gun in one of his shoes, which he used twice in the 5th novel.

In Timothy Truman's 1990s comic book adaptation, Brownlee created the "Web-Lee", a non-lethal stun pistol that fired projectiles which erupted into a spider web-like mass, inundated with microscopic barbs of frozen curare.

"Master of Men"
The Spider's by-name is "Master of Men", indicating that he has a voice commanding enough to get many people to do his bidding. Wentworth can also imitate other people's voices. When he imitates Kirkpatrick's voice, he can give orders to lesser policemen during a stakeout, even during one intended to capture The Spider, so he can himself escape. Wentworth was not above disguising himself as a cop to escape when surrounded by policemen.

Supporting characters

 * Nita Van Sloan is Wentworth's longtime fiancée, who often aids him. Though they are as close as man and wife, they know they could never marry and have a family, as Wentworth believes he will eventually be unmasked or killed as The Spider, and his wife and family would then pay the price. In the issue #100 story, "Death and The Spider", Wentworth expects to die. Nita disguises herself as The Spider a few times, covering for Wentworth when he has been seriously injured.
 * Ram Singh, a Sikh (originally Hindu), is Wenthworth's fanatically loyal manservant; he is a deadly knife thrower and usually carries several knives with him, including the deadly kukri. Ram Singh never views his position as a servant as demeaning or negatively impacting his self-respect, feeling that he serves a man totally above other men. At times, he and Wentworth talk in Hindustani, which only they understand.
 * Sergeant Ronald Jackson, Wentworth's chauffeur, served under Wentworth in World War I and often refers to him as "the Major". He is killed by "The Avenger" in "The Pain Emperor" (Feb 1935). However he is revived in "The Reign of the Death Fiddler" (May 1, 1935) when it is revealed that Ram Singh saved him and brought him back to full health, ignoring the fact that Jackson had been given a military burial.
 * Harold Jenkyns is Wentworth's butler, an elderly man who has been in the Wentworth family's service for a long time.
 * Police Commissioner Stanley Kirkpatrick or simply "Kirk", is Wentworth's closest friend, who is sure Wentworth is The Spider but can never prove it. He has promised to arrest him, try him, and send him to the electric chair if he ever has proof.
 * Professor Ezra Brownlee, an inventor and Wentworth's old war colleague, features heavily in the early Spider novels; he is killed in Dragon Lord of the Underworld (July 1935). Brownlee's son makes some appearances afterward, taking over from his late father. Brownlee's unjust arrest is what motivated Wentworth to take the law into his own hands for the first time.

Enemies
Despite The Spider's tendency to kill his enemies, he encounters several foes more than once, such as The Fly and MUNRO, a master of disguise, both of whom were killed at the conclusion of their first encounter with the Spider. Some storylines featuring a struggle against a single villain run for several consecutive issues, such as The Spider's four-part battle against Tang-Akhmut, the Living Pharaoh (issues #36, 37, 38 and 39), and The Spider's three-part battle against The Master and his Black Police (#60, 61 and 62), which was reprinted decades later in a single volume as The Spider vs The Empire State. Some enemies he encountered had names like the costumed super-villains of comic books, such as Judge Torture, Red Feather, The Bloody Serpent, The Brain, The Emperor of Vermin, The Red Mandarin, The Silencer, and The Wreck.

Movie serials
Columbia Pictures produced two Spider movie serials, both 15-chapter cliffhangers starring Warren Hull as Richard Wentworth. The first, The Spider's Web (1938), was also the first film serial to be made from a popular pulp magazine series character. In this serial The Spider battles The Octopus and his henchmen, who attempt to disrupt all commercial and passenger transportation systems, and later all U. S. industry. Spider pulp magazine novelist Norvell Page was one of the writers who worked on the serial's screenplay. Compared to other light-hearted action-adventure serials, Price and Turner felt The Spider series owed more to film noir, noting The Spider's Web had a "morbid desperation" that bucked censorship standards. They ranked it as one of the best Columbia serials, and one of the few to truly do justice to its source material, noting the fast pace and high body count. The Octopus would feature in a short-lived Page-written pulp series for Popular that was rapidly reworked as The Scorpion.

In the second serial, The Spider Returns (1941), The Spider battles the mysterious crime lord The Gargoyle and his henchmen, who threaten the world with acts of sabotage and wholesale murder in an effort to wreck the U. S. national defense. Price and Turner bemoaned the sequel for abandoning the two-director system, calling it a "wartime replay of Web's story", also criticising the reduced role for Nita Van Sloane, now played by novice Mary Ainslee.

Both serials have The Spider's black cape and head mask over-printed with a white spider's web pattern and then matched with his usual plain black fedora. This addition gave the silver screen Spider an appearance more like that of a superhero, like other pulp and comics heroes being adapted for the era's movie serials.

Reprints
Many, if not all, of the original 118 Spider pulp magazine novels have been reprinted over the years in both mass-market paperback and trade paperback editions or some other form. Very few attempts have been made, however, to publish the novels in chronological order, making it difficult for collectors to read them in the order in which they originally appeared. Berkley Books (then Berkley/Medallion) first reprinted the Spider in 1969 and 1970, intending to reprint all 118 novels in order, hoping to tap into the reprint phenomenon of the Doc Savage novels being published by Bantam Books. However, these first paperback reissues met with poor sales. After reprinting only the first four volumes in the original pulp series, Berkley canceled the series. In the mid-1970s Pocket Books reprinted four Spider novels (originally published as pulps #16, 21, 26 and 100), featuring modernized pulp cover artwork by Robert A. Maguire. In this series, The Spider (renamed simply "Spider") is portrayed as a non-costumed, heavily armed muscular blond-haired hero (similar to James Bond). These paperbacks also failed to sell, and the series was canceled. These four novels were re-edited and heavily modernized. In the reprint of Death and the Spider for example (originally published as pulp #100 in 1942), Nita Van Sloan drives a Jaguar E-type X-KE, a sports car not created until 1961, some 19 years later.

At roughly the same time in England, Mews Books/New American Library reprinted the same four Spider novels (#16, 21, 26 and 100) sporting entirely new cover art, but different in style and execution from those used by Pocket Books. Also called "Spider", this character also resembled a non-costumed James Bond-type character (only with black hair instead of blonde). This British Spider mass market series also ended after the four titles were released. In 1979, Python Publishing published the never-before-seen last original Spider novel, Slaughter, Inc. (written by Donald G. Cormack), which was originally scheduled to have been published in 1944 as The Spider #119. Python published it as a one-shot mass market paperback. For copyright reasons, all of the characters' names were changed, the story was retitled Blue Steel: The Ultimate Answer To Evil, and the author was credited as "Spider Page" (a reference to the novel's original author, Norvell Page). The Spider was recast in this book as a character named "Blue Steel". As with Pocket Books' modernized "Spider" editions, this paperback sported a modernized pulp cover painting featuring a non-costumed, but heavily armed, blond-haired hero (said to be an unused cover painting by artist George Gross, produced but never used for a Freeway Press reprint of another pulp magazine character, Operator No. 5). In 2012, Moonstone Books finally published the 119th Spider novel Slaughter, Inc. in its original unedited form. The novel was reprinted yet again in 2018 by Altus Press as a "facsimile edition", this time designed to look exactly how The Spider #119 pulp would have looked had it been published in 1944. In 1980 Dimedia, Inc. (a.k.a. Pulp Press) reprinted three Spider pulp novels (#9, 10 and 11) in the larger trade paperback format. In 1984, they reprinted those same three novels as mass market paperbacks, sporting new cover paintings of the original costumed Spider by artists Ken Kelly (on volumes one and two) and Frank Kelly Freas (on volume three). In the early 1990s Carroll & Graf Publishers issued a series of eight mass market Spider paperbacks, each one reprinting two complete Spider novels. These 16 novels were the longest-running Spider reprint series done for the mass market paperback book market up to that time. The novels reprinted in this series were #14, 15, 17, 26, 30, 40, 41, 50, 52, 54, 75, 76, 78, 81, 92 and 113. All of them use the original The Spider pulp magazine artwork for their covers. (One cover was a newly done painting by Rafael DeSoto, the original pulp cover artist.)

After Carroll & Graf, several specialized small press pulp reprint houses tried their hand at reprinting The Spider series. Bold Venture Press published ten issues of The Spider (#5, 6, 7, 8, 16, 26, 31, 50, 69 and 70). Wildside Press published two The Spider reprints (#78 and 92).

Pulp Adventure Press (PAP) reprinted 12 Spider novels in a magazine-sized format, even including the original interior artwork from the pulps (#12, 31, 36, 37, 38, 39, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48 and 85).

Girasol Collectables (aka Adventure House) reissued the novels as a series of single pulp novel facsimile editions, as well as re-typeset stories in "pulp double novel" trade paperbacks. Both series use the original pulp magazine cover artwork for their books. Girasol published the first 23 issues of the original pulp series as "facsimile" editions. They also published 25 of their "double-novel format" issues, which total 50 novels reprinted in all (#1, 3, 9, 10, 11, 13, 14, 19, 20, 22, 25, 27, 28, 29, 32, 34, 35, 42, 43, 49, 51, 53, 54, 55, 57, 59, 64, 66, 70, 71, 72, 77, 82, 83, 86, 87, 91, 95, 98, 100, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 107, 108, 110, 112 and 114). In 2007, New York science fiction publisher Baen Books published a trade paperback featuring three Spider novel reprints (#16, 74 and 85). In 2008, they released a second companion trade paperback featuring two more Spider reprints (#26 and 75) as well as a third bonus story about another pulp hero called "The Octopus". In 2009, Baen re-issued both volumes as mass market paperbacks. The Baen editions sported brand new Spider cover paintings by noted graphic designer and comics artist Jim Steranko.

Also in 2007, Moonstone Books published an original anthology of brand new Spider short story pastiches entitled The Spider Chronicles. In 2013, Moonstone published a second anthology, The Spider: Extreme Prejudice featuring 12 more brand new Spider short story pastiches.

In late 2009, Doubleday's Science Fiction Book Club reprinted (in hardcover) Baen's second Spider three-in-one volume from the previous year. This became the first Spider hardcover edition ever to be published.

In August 2009, Age of Aces reprinted The Spider's Black Police trilogy in a single volume which they titled "The Spider vs. The Empire State". This trilogy consisted of three 1938 issues that were connected plotwise: #60 (September 1938), #61 (October 1938) and #62 (November 1938).

In October 2012, Moonstone Books published an original Spider pastiche novel, Shadow of Evil, by C. J. Henderson.

In 2013, Sanctum Books reprinted 20 Spider novels in ten "double novel issues". Each book contained two reprinted novels. The pulps Sanctum reprinted were # 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 16, 17, 18, 30, 31, 68, 74, 78, 90, 92, 93, 96, 106, 111 and 118.

The Vintage Library has 34 licensed Spider novel reprints in the PDF format. For a small fee, each one can be downloaded from their website.

Facsimile Spider novels continue to appear in print from other publishers, especially Altus Press; they have also been issued in the Kindle e-book format.

Altus Press has begun reprinting the entire Spider series of novels in their original order of publication beginning with #1, on a monthly basis. Altus also launched (in August 2018) a "Wild Adventures of The Spider" pastiche novel series. The first pastiche was written by Will Murray. The Doom Legion has Richard Wentworth team up with James Christopher (a.k.a. "Operator No. 5") and "G-8", two of Popular Publications' top pulp heroes. Two pastiche sequels, Fury in Steel and Scourge of the Scorpion by Will Murray, both came out in 2021.

Eclipse Comics
In December 1990 American comic publisher Eclipse Comics announced plans to produce a comic book series based on the character. Writer and artist Timothy Truman based the three-issue limited series on the 1934 story "The Corpse Cargo", and the series was issued in the 'prestige' square-bound format popularised by DC Comics' The Dark Knight Returns; Enrique Alcatena contributed to the art. As noted in Comics Scene #19, Truman set his version of The Spider in the "1990s as seen by the 1930s". Elements of this version of the Spider's milieu include airships as common transportation, the survival of the League of Nations into the near past - Wentworth meets Ram Singh during an intervention into India and Pakistan - and World War II, if it ever happened, taking place differently. This series featured an African-American Commissioner Kirkpatrick. Truman chose to redesign the character, removing the hat and toning down the exaggerated monstrous look of Wentworth's crime-fighting guise. He had originally planned to have the character wrap his face in bandages before becoming aware of Sam Raimi's then-upcoming film Darkman. A long-time fan of the character, Truman had previous tried to get an adaptation made with First Comics early in his career.

Reviewing the title for Amazing Heroes, Fred Patten gave the first issue three stars out of five, bemoaning that the beloved character had been revised to "another grim vigilante". However in the same magazine T. M. Maple, who had not previously heard of the character, found it much more pleasing, though he felt it was weaker that Truman's best works. The series was a moderate sales success for Eclipse. and as a result they produced a three-issue follow-up The Spider: Reign of the Vampire King (based on "Death Reign of the Vampire King") the following year. However, Eclipse would go out of business before any further material could be produced.

Moonstone Books
Between 2009 and 2011, Moonstone Books published several comics based on the original pulp character, including crossovers with fellow pulp heroes Domino Lady and Operator No. 5

Dynamite Entertainment
In August 2011, Dynamite Entertainment announced an updated Spider comic book series, written by novelist David Liss; the first issue was released in May 2012. The Spider's costume in this series is based on the one worn by actor Warren Hull in Columbia's 1940s Spider movie serials, but the black costume's web lines are rendered in blood red instead of white. This comics series depicts The Spider and his allies fighting crime in a modern-day U. S. The 17-issue series received largely positive reviews.

In December 2012, Dynamite released the first issue of Masks, an eight-issue comic book miniseries that teams The Spider with Dynamite's other pulp hero-based comic book characters, including the Green Hornet and Kato, The Shadow, and a 1930s descendant of Zorro. Together, they fight a powerful criminal syndicate which secretly controls New York City through the corrupt and powerful Justice Party, which has seized complete control over the city. This miniseries, set in the Depression Era of the 1930s, was not in the same continuity as Dynamite's The Spider comic book series.

Influence
Notable fans of The Spider include Charles M. Schulz, who confessed that "I could hardly stand to live from one month to another when the new Spider novel would come out." and Stan Lee, who named the character as a major influence on the creation of Spider-Man in the book Origins of Marvel Comics. Will Murray noted the similarity between the Spider's costume in the movie serials and the original Spider-Man costume, and the common element of both characters being perpetually sought by authorities unaware of their true identities.

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Talk:Mount Elbert

Coordinates and elevation
My apologies to whoever put in the NGS data originally, I briefly changed it back to the old figure off the topo map. However, that's why it's important to cite sources, which is what I have now put into the page. -- Spireguy 18:59, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Additions
Can someone include information on whom Mt. Elbert is named for/after? 64.207.54.89 (talk) 22:26, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Parentage?
Can anyone explain why the parentage (topographic) is listed at Mt Whitney in California? Aspengrey (talk) 15:34, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Infobox picture
An IP editor keeps replacing the infobox photo with one from User:Hogs555. What is the consensus of the editors? Which photo is a better illustration of Mount Elbert? Left or right? Please express your opinion, below. Feel free to suggest other photos from Commons:Category:Mount Elbert —hike395 (talk) 06:18, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Bogus DYK (probably)
The 21 May 2013 DYK, cited above, contained this entry for Mount Elbert:
 * ... that to ensure Mount Elbert (pictured) remained the highest of the Rockies, its supporters tore the top off another mountain?

This is almost certainly an error, although it is traceable to a SummitPost page on the mountain. Nearby Mount Massive, the "another mountain" referenced in the DYK, is not the kind of peak one can simply "tear the top" off of. Most likely this is a garbling of an incident that definitely did happen, involving Mount Harvard, third highest of the Colorado Fourteeners, which at one time had a large, man-made cairn on its summit from which protruded a pole alleged to stick up above Elbert's summit elevation. The cairn has been dismantled. This was a joke perpetrated by a bunch of Harvard alumni and obviously didn't affect the actual height of the mountain. (Reference for this is Borneman and Lampert, "A Climbing Guide to Colorado's Fourteeners.")

I would make the indicated change to the article, but first, if anybody does have evidence of something similar going on for Mount Massive (I do not consider the page cited in the article reliable, but other sources may be), please post here. I am aware of no such evidence despite knowing a lot about the Colorado 14ers (have climbed all three of the relevant peaks, among others), but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. -- Bill-on-the-Hill (talk) 01:27, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I do recall the pole on Mount Harvard, vaguely, but the original claim in the article (History section), which I added, is sourced to a book I own, reference 10, the Best Summit Hikes, James  Dziezynski, Wilderness Press. p. 157., which I can confirm validates this claim.-- Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds  08:19, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I am not convinced of the accuracy of the Dzienzynski anecdote, but accurate or not, tearing down a cairn that was placed on top of a mountain is no more "tearing the top off" that mountain than knocking down any other man-made structure is "tearing down" the natural base it rests on. The top of Massive was NOT "torn off" in a struggle over the high-point designation.  This DYK should never have been published. -- Bill-on-the-Hill (talk) 03:35, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

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