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User talk:Kingturtle/Archive5

Jonathan Idema
I know you worked on this article some about a year ago. I've added lots of information to it and I thought maybe you could head over there, and check it out. It had marks for neutrality, verfiability, and cleanup. I've made improvements in these areas, but I don't want to remove these labels until fresh eyes have seen the article. Thanks, Xpanzion 06:46, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Madeline Lee
You created the above page as a redirect to Blacklist I cannot see why, so have tagged as a speedy deletion candidate,  Davidprior 14:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on Mohammad Saleheen, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article seems to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable, that is, why an article about that subject should be included in Wikipedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert notability may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is notable, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add  on the top of the page (below the existing db tag) and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. - Tragic Baboon (banana receptacle) 18:19, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Evelyn Hernandez
I have added a "" template to the article Evelyn Hernandez, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at its talk page. Removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, but the article may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. Srice13 20:59, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

From User talk:Srice13:

I have no idea why the Evelyn Hernandez article is not encyclopedic. Her story was in the news, covered by CNN and Court TV. It is absurd to delete the article. Please tell me where to go to make my case. Kingturtle 00:52, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * You may make your case the article's talk page. It might be worth noting that the article does not provide a link to coverage of "Hernandez" at either CNN or CourtTV. The one Court TV reference to Hernandez was really a link to Laci Peterson article that mentioned Hernandez. A quick search at courttv.com does not turn up any articles about Hernandez in the context of Hernandez.Srice13 16:09, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

CHICOTW GAonhold
TonyTheTiger 23:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Reading list
Hi,

Back in 2003, you posted a request for candidates for a reading list at the high school where you were teaching U.S. History. I added my candidates to the list in April 2006. Apparently, you have moved to New York since then. Are you still teaching?

In any event, I'm curious what the net result of your request was. Did you build a list of "outside reading" on U.S. history? If so, could you share it with me? My Wikipedia e-mail is enabled so you can e-mail it to me if that is more convenient for you.

Thanks.

--Richard 20:05, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Image:Heroin1.jpg listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Heroin1.jpg, has been listed at. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. —Remember the dot (t) 19:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

XHTML compliance
While I'm here, I went ahead and fixed your talk page to be XHTML compliant. You can change it back if you really want, but using valid XHTML is a good practice and will set a good example for other users. —Remember the dot (t) 19:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

WCG itself violates copyrights
Hi, just to let you know. -- Goldie (tell me) 19:47, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Possibly unfree Image:Zog2.jpe
An image that you uploaded or altered, Image:Zog2.jpe, has been listed at Possibly unfree images because its copyright status is disputed. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. Please go to its page for more information if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Lokal_Profil 20:06, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Image:Lynndie-chair.jpe
Thanks for uploading Image:Lynndie-chair.jpe. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:

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 * 2) On the image discussion page, write the reason why this image is not replaceable at all.

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Paul Petard (cartoonist)
I have added a "" template to the article Paul Petard (cartoonist), suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Fram 13:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

FYI
I tried to change the link on your page for Ralph Wiggum from "[|[Wiggum Family|Ralph Wiggum]]" to just "[|[Ralph Wiggum]]," but I guess you have to do that yourself. - Bagel7 05:13, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: List of compositions by Ludwig van Beethoven
Thought you might like to know: I submitted a Featured List Nomination for this list, of which you seem to be a major author. I did some tinkering around the edges (lead, references, section headers, etc.) first. Cheers! — Turangalila talk 00:37, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Help for a registration
Hi Kingturtle. I'm a new user, "enroled" with the new user id Mau_db. Here is my request, but I did a mistake writing my e-mail address: the correct one is @email.it, not @mail.com. How can I do to correct that? I'm a contributor of it.wiki, my User page is this. If you want I'll write an e-mail from the right address or anythng else to verify my identity. The e-mail address is not the same of italian registration, if it is necessary I can write you that, so I can resolve the matter. If you want, you can write me in my it.wiki talk or to the right e-mail address, or in my Ip talk (but I've a mobile ip). Here I left the same message to User:Samir, he suggests me to contact a bureaucrat or trying to usurp the account. What can I exactly do? Thank you for all. --79.3.210.203 18:52, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Change of username
Hello, I'd like to request a change of username. I believe I have to ask a bureaucrat to do that for me. I believe you are a bureaucrat. Can you help me? [Actually, I wanted to delete my account, but I've been made aware that that is not possible. So, I am am taking the only other course of action I can think of.] Many thanks. -- J o  h  n  O  10:28, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello
Hello there, my username is The Random Editor. I usually go by Random though. I created my username planning to never change it, until recently when I wanted to change my username to Random. I was checking the list of users, and noticed unfortunatly that Random had already been taken. I though about usurptions but he had one edit so that was out of the question. I left a message on his talk page requesting that he change his username if he was not really going to edit a lot. I recieved no reply. he has made one and only one edit. Is there anyway at all I could change my username to Random? --  Ra nd om   Say it here!  22:11, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Redirect Syntax
Hi, the correct syntax for a redirect page is :-

e.g for your recent Snozzberry page the correct syntax is #REDIRECT Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory not :REDIRECTWilly Wonka & the Chocolate Factory Exxolon 21:14, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) REDIRECT Name of page to redirect to
 * OK, thanks. Maybe a longtime ago the : was ok. I'll try to remember. Kingturtle 21:18, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Your image of Barbarossa
Rocks! Way to go man– IttyBittyGrittyindaShteCiti 07:49, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome
Oh, you're welcome.

Are you from that area, by any chance? A couple of fellows who are from that area have suggested that the English language convention that a person from Afghanistan can be called an "Afghan" is inappropriate. They have told me that this is really only appropriate for members of the Pashtun ethnic group. They have suggested we use "Afghanistani", similar to Pakistani.

Have you heard this idea before? What do you think of it?

Cheers! Geo Swan 01:37, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I am from New York State. I just developed an interest in Afghanistan when the U.S. invaded. In regards to the Afghan/Afghanistani question, all the media sources I've found (CNN, CBC, BBC, etc.) use Afghan and Afghani. All the dictionaries I've looked in use Afghan and Afghani. I don't see Afghanistani as a legitimate replacement. But if arguments can be made, I can be swayed. Kingturtle 18:23, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

error
Operation Mountain Storm has nothing to do with Afghanistan, check it. -- TheFE ARgod (Ч) 13:01, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Reza Khan
In answer to your question, no, I could not find any sources mentioning that his confession had been coerced out of him. Found a lot of things, though, that could be used as references in the article: Hope this helps. wjmt 04:30, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
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My RfA
Thank you so much for voicing your support in my successful RfA. I'm humbled to have the community's trust. As I master the ways of the mop and bucket, please don't hesitate to message me for any advice or corrections. Cheers! (I'll be sure to live up to your "fine candidate" statement) Spellcast 23:36, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Welcome
Hello Kingturtle, and thank you for the message. I have contributed to Wikipedia since 2006 (May-July), mainly in the Wikipedia "en espaňol", and today I took the time to continue to add a few more of the links between en & es. Thanks again, and please let me know if I may be of service to you. Best regards. Tortillovsky 18:07, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

RfA
I considered not spamming talk pages but not saying "thanks" just isn't me. The support was remarkable and appreciated. I only hope that I am able to help a little on here. Please let me know if I can help you or equally if you find any of my actions questionable. Thanks & regards -- Herby talk thyme 12:45, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

RfAs due to be closed
There are a couple of RfAs that could be closed if you have a moment - Requests for adminship/Acroterion & Requests for adminship/Random832. Cheers, WjBscribe 03:50, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. And done. :) Kingturtle (talk) 04:11, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. By the way, List of administrators is now updated by a Bot every day so you don't need to add new admins to it. WjBscribe 04:15, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your vote
I'm not sure why this is displaying weird, by the way, but notice a strange melding of another message box here. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:10, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Template syntax
You know more than I do. :-D I just add cats to templates. I occasionally write one but they tend to be copies of existing template-like text that people never made into an actual template. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 04:46, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Afghanistan's 2004 constition was forged

 * See User:Kingturtle/Afghanistan

People arguing against Afghani and Afghanistani
The users arguing against these two terms, user: Hurooz, user: Dilbar Jan, and have been confirmed as sockkpuppupets of banned user user: NisarKand. He was a Pashtun (Afghan) nationalist and was banned for making disgusting racist comments against Tajiks. These sockpuppets are both banned now. Also I suspect user: Naseer n nasrat is his sockpuppet and started this controversy, I will also a checkuser on him. -- Behnam (talk) 13:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It may have been me who "started this controversy." I don't mean any harm or any offense, but as far as I've been able to tell, Afghanistani is not the right term in the English language. I am trying to understand why the term Afghan is incorrect. Kingturtle (talk) 13:48, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Just thought I'd weigh in here. We [or at least I] are [am] not saying Afghan is incorrect. I actually use Afghan and would not use Afghani or Afghanistani. But there's a source for Afghanistani, so don't we have to include it as well? I really don't think WP is supposed to be normative; if that's false, please direct me to the policy. The version which I want to see includes all three demonyms, with sources, and Afghan listed first. Carl.bunderson (talk) 06:51, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

MLB map — thanks
Thank you. I did do that MLB stadiums map, but it wasn't all that much! I just adapted the existing NFL stadiums map, and added Canada to accomodate the Blue Jays. But I appreciate the compliment. (I just like doing maps. If I had the time I would add maps to every page that needed them.) — Michael J  20:03, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I should use my map base and do the NBA and NHL arenas, since they require Canada, also. — Michael J  20:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd like to see a map that showed every single city that ever had a major league team. Kingturtle (talk) 21:20, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you mean for baseball only, or all of the so-called major sports (baseball, football, basketball, hockey)? Or separate ones for each sport? I can make you one if you like — I have all that information easily available — but I'm not sure where it would belong on Wikipedia. — Michael J  17:22, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, you can do other sports too, but I was thinking of a map that showed every city that ever had a Major League Baseball team. I am sure I can find a place to put it on History of baseball in the United States. Kingturtle (talk) 19:59, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I wonder if that might be good as an animated map, showing the changes over time. — Michael J  02:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * perhaps, but a regular, stagnant map would be fine too. Kingturtle (talk) 04:05, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

RfA
Could you close Requests for adminship/DO11.10 if you have a sec? Hopefully if will be the last time I have to bother any crat about this sort if thing... WjBscribe 21:24, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. Kingturtle (talk) 21:31, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi
Lets assume you have an account on Meta that is not used much! If it is you you will need to link the user page there back to here for any vote to count (if not there is an impostor & feel free to let me know that). Cheers -- Herby talk thyme 14:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Dannys Contest
Hi Kingturtle,

I could use some support on creating a disclaimer for Dannys contest. I understand you are also offended by it. Please see the talk page. Bensaccount (talk) 18:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Voluntarian
A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Voluntarian, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you agree with the deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please add db-author to the top of Voluntarian. Mdbrownmsw 21:33, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Arbcom
Just wanted to let you know that I replied to your comment on the talk page. Rebecca 04:23, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

World Series infobox
Another thing I thought of - it would be helpful if someone could figure out how to exclude the ALCS and NLCS lines for the pre-1969 Series; I don't quite have the knack for figuring out how to insert the "if" code that would do the trick. Obviously the same the thing applies to pre-1940s TV and pre-1920s radio networks and broadcasters. MisfitToys (talk) 22:32, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. Also we have to figure out have to get the "‡ elected as a player" comments to show up. Such programming is a bit over my head right now. Kingturtle (talk) 22:34, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Bernie Ward
My bad on the Ward page, I didn't see your edit for some reason, and it contains the same info. Bluefield (talk) 02:23, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * no problemo. Kingturtle 02:25, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Image source problem with Image:Prison-chair.jpe
Thanks for uploading Image:Prison-chair.jpe. I noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you did not create this file yourself, you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, then a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a restatement of that website's terms of use of its content, is usually sufficient information. However, if the copyright holder is different from the website's publisher, their copyright should also be acknowledged.

As well as adding the source, please add a proper copyright licensing tag if the file doesn't have one already. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the GFDL-self tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media meets the criteria at Non-free content, use a tag such as or one of the other tags listed at Image copyright tags. See Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If the image is copyrighted under a non-free license (per Fair use) then the image will be deleted 48 hours after 02:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC). If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. —Remember the dot (talk) 02:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Looking for some assistance...
I'm hoping you can point me in the right direction. I have been tasked with creating and administering a relatively large intranet site using MediaWiki software. As we are developing this project, it is becoming apparent that we need some ideas on how to manage and administer our wiki. We chose MediaWiki as our software with the intention of modeling our site with the very familiar Wikipedia. I can really use some assistance understanding how Wikipedia is managed to put those lessons learned into our project. Do you know of someone who might be able to talk to me as I continue the development of our intranet site? Any advice you can offer would be most appreciated. Thanks.

Elexman (talk) 15:06, 11 December 2007 (UTC)Rich – December 11, 2007Elexman (talk) 15:06, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Really, really bad haikus from a new admin
Setting new lows in thank-you spam:

  Click there for my RfA spam haikus! → → → Janitor's new tools

Spam must stop -- will new mop act?

Ooops, .com blocked

New admin, new tools

Earnest newbie furrows brow

Fare thee well Main Page

New mess all about

Sorcerer's Apprentice mop

Not supporter's fault

A. B. so grateful

Wikipedia trembles

Watch out DRV

A. B. wonders why

Copyright always confused

Fair use, farewell, bye

Qatar is blocked

Shucks those range blocks are tricky!

Will get it straight soon.

Colbert's elephants

stampede Wikipedia

Must protect, protect

Wiki fortress not.

Open gates, knowledge wings free

But fiends are about

Dear RfA friend, I will learn, chaos will fade Thanks so much ... A. B.

This RfA thank you card is based on a card originally done by Phaedriel

So do bureaucrats get thanked along with supporting editors after an RfA? ... or just tipped?

Well, I appreciate your adminning me and I promise not to cause too much excitement in my first week.

Enjoy your haikus, -- A. B. (talk) 12:48, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Kingturtle
For the welcome note. I've been learning the ropes and I'm getting the hang of things. Your links are helpful, and it's great to have a little support for the newcomers. I'm looking forward to seeing how the Mitchell Report page ends up looking:-) Cheers! Csbarrett (talk) 23:59, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

userbox broken
In your userboxes you have

which should be

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I was going to change it myself but your page is protected (Vandalism? If so, sorry you have to put up with that). BTW your talkpage actually frightened me a little at first blush (too much red). Cheers. —Cronholm144 17:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

User rights log summaries
Hello, would you mind putting a link to the RFA in the summary, so it's easier to find if users wish to view it? Thanks.  Red rocket  boy  13:07, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Will do. Kingturtle (talk) 13:08, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * thanks.  Red rocket  boy  13:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Image removal
Hi, Kingturtle, thought I'd mention that in removing an image as you did in Lou Gehrig, also means the associated transcluded Template:MLBBioRet needs to go as well, otherwise the article lead is broken. I've fixed it. Cheers,  JGHowes talk  -  18:12, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Earl Wilson
Hallo, I created the Earl Wilson (disambiguation) page as part of the Suggestions for name disambiguation. I see you've moved it to Earl Wilson, and renamed the baseball player article to Robert Earl Wilson. I don't think that complies with WP:Name "Adding middle names, or their abbreviations, merely for disambiguation purposes (that is: if this format of the name is not the commonly used one to refer to this person) is not advised." - this must surely also apply to adding a first name not usually used. All the external links seem to refer to the name "Earl Wilson", so that is the name he is best known by. The links in the navbox template at the bottom of his page now lead to the dab page, the infobox disagrees with the article name... in short, I disagree with your changes and plan to revert them, but thought I would run this past you first. PamD (talk) 23:35, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for notifying me before you made the change. Please feel free to change it back. I personally prefer finding ways to get rid of the parenthesis, but I will make note of the policy and follow it. Kingturtle (talk) 23:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Have moved the dab page back to Earl Wilson (disambiguation), and requested move of the Robert Earl Wilson page to Earl Wilson using the correct procedure (I hope!). There are masses of links to E..W.., which would otherwise lead to the dab page. PamD (talk) 00:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks...
for the welcome note. It is much appreciated! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moonlit Knight (talk • contribs) 16:45, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Clash question - THE ONLY BAND THAT MATTERS
"The Only Band That Matters" is credited to Epic Records' Director of A&R, Bruce Harris, but I didn't found a reliable source (currently is at The_Clash). There is also an archived discussion at Talk:The_Clash/Archive_1 archive talk page. I know it was used by Clash's American fan during their first tour in North America on 1979.

Revision history of The Clash Related to "The Only Band That Matters": —P Joe F. (talk • contribs) 18:09, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * 06:30, 7 March 2007 by User:R._fiend added: "Their record company once dubbed them "The Only Band That Matters," a phrase which caught on with their fans, and has since become closely associated with them".
 * 15:17, 25 March 2007 by User:Iprudence added: "Their record company once dubbed them "The Only Band That Matters," a phrase which caught on with their fans, and has since become closely associated with them. Epic Records Director of A&R, Bruce Harris, came up with the phrase. He is credited with convincing the company to release The Clash in the USA. His wife, Marion(Bernstein) Harris, was the product manager.She is credited with convincing Joe Strummer to include lyrics in the sleeve."
 * [ 20:30, 6 April 2007] by User:Nazamo did the reference TAG.

Hello, thanks for the welcome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ospix (talk • contribs) 18:09, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

User:Energy Control = User:Ron liebman
I figured I'd drop you a note since you left a welcome message for. That account is unquestionably a sockpuppet of the banned user. Let me know if you'd like more information. Assistance in blocking his socks would be much appreciated. —Wknight94 (talk) 21:06, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

WP:BASEBALL
I joined. Next time you'd be better off asking on my talk page. But thanks for signing.  Merry  Christmas  from Sasha 22:09, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

A Day Or Two Late, But...
Thanks for taking care of the extra reverts on PBS Kids Sprout. I can't tell if we've got a vandal on our hands there, or a kid, or an uninformed user, or just somebody with extraordinarily confusing phraseology....However, the fact that it keeps coming back and writing the same....whatever-that-is...is steadily leading me toward a conclusion...:) Anyway, thanks again. Gladys J Cortez 00:34, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

PrimeHunter RfA
Thanks for the mop! We made some fun with prime number counts in Requests for adminship/PrimeHunter. The last uncounted vote made it 71 supports (assuming you didn't deliberately reject a vote), a prime number as targeted. Sorry to sound petty but will you please update the count in the RfA and Successful adminship candidacies? The uncounted prime vote has already been commented. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:59, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for updating Successful adminship candidacies to 71. I have taken the liberty of updating the Rfa page with an edit summary URL for your update. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:28, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
For reverting the vandalism to my userpage! I greatly appreciate it. Knowledge Of Self |  talk  06:49, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Rochester WIKI
Hi, Kingturtle, Please stop putting that ridiculous and uncited demographics about  greeks in rochester on the wiki. it has no place being on the rochester wiki and i will report further abuses and get arbitration involved. stop self promoting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.25.80.2 (talk) 20:57, 27 69.25.80.2 (talk) 21:36, 27 December 2007 (UTC)December 2007 (UTC)
 * A) This is not a Rochester WIKI. This is Wikipedia.
 * B) I am not Greek, and not self-promoting.
 * C) It was not me who put that information into the article. But I think it is useful information.
 * D) Let's work together to find the appropriate references.
 * E) I have done nothing wrong.
 * Signed, Kingturtle (talk) 21:03, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Please stop posting that content, its uncited, its opinion, it is inappropriate for a factual web page about the city of rochester. Its an unfounded fact, its self promotion to list last names of unknown families who dont have WP pages. I didn't call it a RocWiki i called it a Rochester Wiki  aka Rochester Wikipedia page     but thanks. Stop posting that content on that page, its totally irresponsible of you. It doens't matter what your background, its not relevant information for the main rochester wiki page. 69.25.80.2 (talk) 21:34, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Additionally, I do not want to find references for that content because I do not want to see it on the Rochester web page. Lengths were taken to remove famous rochesterians from the wikipage, therefore respect that move and do not post random rochestesterians interested in self promotion. Otherwise I belong on that page along with all of my family from the "historically significant" country of poland.69.25.80.2 (talk) 21:36, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

 * It wasn't me who added that information to the article. I am not Greek. None of those family names are mine. I do not believe the information is opinion. I think the information adds to the demographical information of the article. I find the information interesting, and I will try to find sources for it. If you have information about how and why people emigrated from Poland to Rochester, that would be much appreciated. Kingturtle (talk) 21:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. I encourage you to create a user page. Communication between users is much easier that way. Kingturtle (talk) 21:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Always nice to be appreciated! Aelfthrytha (talk) 21:32, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

yes but they will all die by a long terrible death,sooner then they think —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.105.19.126 (talk) 23:10, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Shout out
Thanks again for all the assists on Benazir Bhutto, you made my user page, and my day! Edit Centric (talk) 04:00, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree! This form of collaboration is exhilarating - and, in light of the awful people in this world capable of such violence, in this case it helps me to feel that people are also capable of good things. Keep up the good work! Kingturtle (talk) 04:04, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Bhutto
I noticed on the Benazir Bhutto talk page you noted that this was similar to the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand in that it could lead to another world war. Do you really think this situation could? Who would be the major players in such a conflict in your view? Clinevol98 (talk) 06:08, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * If civil war breaks out in Pakistan, then how will the U.S., India, Iran Israel and Russia react? Then how will the E.U. and China react? Scares the bleep out of me. Kingturtle (talk) 06:12, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

 * India would certainly feel threatened if a radical Kashmiri terrorist group gained control of the government. John Bolton, like him or dislike him, said his primary worry now would be Musharraf himself getting assassinated.  There's already been 3 attempts on the guy's life during his "presidency" already.  That would surely plunge the country into all-out chaos.  By the way, being a libertarian socialist puts you in line with Noam Chomsky as well, so you do know that as a baseball fan you have fallen into the media's propaganda trap to keep you interested in things that are of no importance, correct? :)  I'm just kidding...I'm no fan of Chomsky and that assertion is ridiculous anyway.  I've fallen into it too :)  Clinevol98 (talk) 06:32, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Block question
I see you've blocked User talk:Harrybabbar, but you didn't block User talk:Sikh scholar despite his personal attack I was curious why? From what I can tell, User:Harrybabbar was quoting back to User:Sikh scholar, not originating the threat. AliveFreeHappy (talk) 06:37, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Actually, Harrybabbar has been insulting anyone who corrects his POVs and vandalism. He purposly changes footnoted material and makes erroneous claims. The he goes on personal attacks of anyone who dares to try and show hi an academic perspective. He is abusive and has also threatened me as well.

 * Gorkhali (talk) 06:55, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I'm not questioning the block of User:Harrybabbar as much as I'm questioning the lack of block for User:Sikh scholar who seems to warrant it with this . AliveFreeHappy (talk) 06:57, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Sikh scholar is a great Sikh Wikipedian. Harrybabbar insulted his religion, his family and his personal honour. In Sikhism this is highly offensive and people in India would find harrybabbar's perosnal attack highly offensive. If he harrybabber did a personal attack on me like that I would probably react in the same way. Harrybabber need to be permenately blocked for vandalism and personal attack on editors. If he does vandalism again block him permenately.--Sikh historian (talk) 09:20, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

 * The edit history does not seem to match this interpretation. AliveFreeHappy (talk) 09:45, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Because you are not a Sikh you don't have the religious cultural knowledge of the highly offensive religious cultural insult he said to Sikh scholar

 * "do not refer yourself as Khalsa and insult such a pure word of our community" = To say this to a baptized Khalsa Sikh is the equivalent of saying his mother is a prostitute.--Sikh historian (talk) 09:59, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Kingturtle, someone has blocked Sikh scholar please unblock Sikh scholar one can understand his emotional outburst after the highly offensive religious insult he was subjected to. Lets not lose an expert Sikh Wikipedian over a vandal, only Wikipedia will suffer long term to lose a long time expert Wikipedian such as Sikh Scholar. Please do justice unblock him.--Sikh historian (talk) 10:31, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I blocked Harrybabbar for making 20 spams in a row that were rude, provocative and counter to the energy necessary for the Wikipedia project. I did not blocked Sikh scholar because I had been online for 16 hours and I needed to go to bed. I see that Stephen has blocked Sikh scholar, which is a move I support. Kingturtle (talk) 13:24, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank You
For the welcome! I have been sticking my toe in the editing waters of Wikipedia and having a blast...thanks for noticing :)Legotech (talk) 18:39, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

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Anzû

Anzû, also known as dZû and Imdugud (Sumerian: Determinative), is a monster in several Mesopotamian religions. He was conceived by the pure waters of the Abzu and the wide Earth, or as son of Siris. Anzû was depicted as a massive bird who can breathe fire and water, although Anzû is alternately depicted as a lion-headed eagle.

Stephanie Dalley, in Myths from Mesopotamia, writes that "the Epic of Anzu is principally known in two versions: an Old Babylonian version of the early second millennium [BC], giving the hero as Ningirsu; and 'The Standard Babylonian' version, dating to the first millennium BC, which appears to be the most quoted version, with the hero as Ninurta". However, the Anzu character does not appear as often in some other writings, as noted below.

Name
The name of the mythological being usually called Anzû was actually written in the oldest Sumerian cuneiform texts as (in context, the cuneiform sign, or , is an ideogram for "bird"). In texts of the Old Babylonian period, the name is more often found as. In 1961, Landsberger argued that this name should be read as "Anzu", and most researchers have followed suit. In 1989, Thorkild Jacobsen noted that the original reading of the cuneiform signs as written (giving the name "") is also valid, and was probably the original pronunciation of the name, with Anzu derived from an early phonetic variant. Similar phonetic changes happened to parallel terms, such as (meaning "heavy wind") becoming. Changes like these occurred by evolution of the im to an (a common phonetic change) and the blending of the new n with the following d, which was aspirated as dh, a sound which was borrowed into Akkadian as z or s.

It has also been argued based on contextual evidence and transliterations on cuneiform learning tablets, that the earliest, Sumerian form of the name was at least sometimes also pronounced Zu, and that Anzu is primarily the Akkadian form of the name. However, there is evidence for both readings of the name in both languages, and the issue is confused further by the fact that the prefix  was often used to distinguish deities or even simply high places. could therefore mean simply "heavenly eagle".

Origin and cultural evolution

Thorkild Jacobsen proposed that Anzu was an early form of the god Abu, who was also syncretized by the ancients with Ninurta/Ningirsu, a god associated with thunderstorms. Abu was referred to as "Father Pasture", illustrating the connection between rainstorms and the fields growing in Spring. According to Jacobsen, this god was originally envisioned as a huge black thundercloud in the shape of an eagle, and was later depicted with a lion's head to connect it to the roar of thunder. Some depictions of Anzu therefore depict the god alongside goats (which, like thunderclouds, were associated with mountains in the ancient Near East) and leafy boughs. The connection between Anzu and Abu is further reinforced by a statue found in the Tell Asmar Hoard depicting a human figure with large eyes, with an Anzu bird carved on the base. It is likely that this depicts Anzu in his symbolic or earthly form as the Anzu-bird, and in his higher, human-like divine form as Abu. Though some scholars have proposed that the statue actually represents a human worshiper of Anzu, others have pointed out that it does not fit the usual depiction of Sumerian worshipers, but instead matches similar statues of gods in human form with their more abstract form or their symbols carved onto the base.

Sumerian and Akkadian myth
In Sumerian and Akkadian mythology, Anzû is a divine storm-bird and the personification of the southern wind and the thunder clouds. This demon—half man and half bird—stole the "Tablet of Destinies" from Enlil and hid them on a mountaintop. Anu ordered the other gods to retrieve the tablet, even though they all feared the demon. According to one text, Marduk killed the bird; in another, it died through the arrows of the god Ninurta.

Anzu also appears in the story of "Inanna and the Huluppu Tree", which is recorded in the preamble to the Sumerian epic poem Gilgamesh, Enkidu, and the Netherworld.

Anzu appears in the Sumerian Lugalbanda and the Anzud Bird (also called: The Return of Lugalbanda).

Babylonian and Assyrian myth
The shorter Old Babylonian version was found at Susa. Full version in Myths from Mesopotamia: Creation, The Flood, Gilgamesh, and Others by Stephanie Dalley, page 222 and at The Epic of Anzû, Old Babylonian version from Susa, Tablet II, lines 1-83, read by Claus Wilcke. The longer Late Assyrian version from Nineveh is most commonly called The Myth of Anzu. (Full version in Dalley, page 205). An edited version is at Myth of Anzu. Latest editions of the Old Babylonian, Standard Babylonian and Neo-Assyrian (Late Assyrian) versions of the myth are published in the electronic Babylonian Library.

Literary References

 * In Faith Hunter's Jane Yellowrock urban fantasy books, the major character Girard DiMercy is an anzu, a bird-like magical species considered by ancient Babylonians as avatars of the storm god and that can take the shape of a human. In the novels, anzu have a symbiotic relationship with vampires, helping them control their unstable emotions as well as saving masters from killing vampire scions who fail to emerge from a feral state after being turned. In addition to being vampire Master of the City Leo Pellosier's "Mercy Blade," DiMercy serves as the Executioner for the Master of the City.

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Heavy Weather (album)

Heavy Weather is the seventh album by Weather Report, released in 1977 through Columbia Records. The release sold about 500,000 copies; it would prove to be the band's most commercially successful album and one of the best sellers in the Columbia jazz catalog. DownBeat magazine gave Heavy Weather a 5-star review, and later its readers voted it jazz album of the year.

The lineup for the album consisted of Weather Report founders Joe Zawinul (keyboards, synthesizers) and Wayne Shorter (saxophone), alongside Jaco Pastorius (bass), Alex Acuña (drums), and Manolo Badrena (percussion). It was produced and orchestrated by Zawinul, with additional production by Shorter and Pastorius, and engineered by Ron Malo.

The album opens with "Birdland", which on its own became a significant commercial success, unusual for an instrumental composition, and would go on to become a jazz standard. The melody had been performed live by the band as part of "Dr Honoris Causa", which was from Joe Zawinul's eponymous solo album. "Teen Town", a Pastorius composition where his bass takes the lead instrument role, is often considered a highlight of the album and of Pastorius's career. "Rumba Mamá", a percussion and vocals feature for Manolo Badrena and Alex Acuña, was recorded live at a summer 1976 concert in Montreux, Switzerland, which was also the subject of a DVD released in 2007.

Critical reception
Dan Oppenheimer said in a June 1977 review for Rolling Stone that he felt the band had moved away from their earlier music, losing a lot of the space, melodies and airy feel that set them apart from other jazz-rock bands, but gaining a new bassist who "has been instrumental in developing their busier, talkative style", and that while their music previously "went up and up only, becoming more ethereal as it went, the new bottom makes all the difference in the world".

Legacy
Richard Ginell commented in a retrospective review for AllMusic that it was released "just as the jazz-rock movement began to run out of steam"; however, he felt that "this landmark album proved that there was plenty of creative life left in the idiom."

In February 2011, Heavy Weather was inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame.

The album was included in Robert Dimery's 1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die.

In 2000, it was voted #822 in Colin Larkin's All Time Top 1000 Albums.

The singer Bilal names it among his 25 favorite albums, citing the interplay between Jaco Pastorius and Joe Zawinul.

Personnel
Weather Report
 * Joe Zawinul – ARP 2600 on all tracks except "Rumba Mamá", Rhodes electric piano on all tracks except "Birdland", "Rumba Mamá", and "Havona", Yamaha grand piano on "Birdland", "Harlequin", "The Juggler", and "Havona", Oberheim polyphonic synthesizer on all tracks except "Rumba Mamá", "Palladíum", and "The Juggler", vocals on "Birdland", melodica on "Birdland" and "Teen Town", guitar and tabla on "The Juggler".
 * Wayne Shorter – Soprano saxophone on all tracks except "A Remark You Made" and "Rumba Mamá", tenor saxophone on "Birdland", "A Remark You Made", and "Palladíum"
 * Jaco Pastorius – Fretless bass on all tracks except "Rumba Mamá", mandocello on "Birdland" and "The Juggler", vocals on "Birdland", drums on "Teen Town", steel drums on "Palladíum"
 * Alex Acuña – Drums on all tracks except "Teen Town" and "Rumba Mamá", congas and tom-toms on "Rumba Mamá", handclaps on "The Juggler"
 * Manolo Badrena – Tambourine on "Birdland", congas on "Teen Town", "Rumba Mamá", and "Palladíum", vocals on "Harlequin" and "Rumba Mamá", timbales on "Rumba Mamá", percussion on "Palladíum" and "The Juggler"

Production
 * Joe Zawinul – producer and orchestrator
 * Jaco Pastorius – co-producer
 * Wayne Shorter – assistant producer
 * Ron Malo – engineer
 * Jerry Hudgins – assistant engineer
 * Brian Risner – assistant engineer and chief meteorologist
 * Frank Tozour – Sony reissue remastering
 * Nancy Donald – design
 * Lou Beach – illustration
 * Keith Williamson – photography

Release history
The album was first released in LP format worldwide throughout Columbia Records, CBS Records, Sony Records, and other minor record labels. In 1984, it was first released in CD format in the U.S. on Columbia Records. In 1992, the album was remastered, and, in 2002, published in Super Audio CD format.

 * See the table below for a more comprehensive list of the album releases.

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