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Talk:Tonton Macoute

Santa Claus
Why restrict the visits Santa Claus makes? He does visit all nations of the world! Geez Dominick 23:47, 3 May 2004 (UTC)

Incorrectamundo Dominic, The big S only visits Christians and they only make up 1/4 of the world's population. But I hear he does holiday in Tahiti. Tomtom 1233hrs 19 July 2004

Santa doesn't only 'visit' christians. My non-christian children still expect a visit from him. What I'm wondering is why the article presents it as given that santa visits anyone? Wouldn't it make more sense to say that "In Haitian tradition..." instead of "In Haiti"? - Peter Darley, 7/8/2004

MVSN link
I have deleted the MVSN link because it takes you to a disambiguation page. On that page, there is a link back to Tonton Macoute, so it is completely circular and a waste of time. There is no reason to have that circular link here. Please do not put it back in. Thanks. I assume that you are new to Wikipedia. Welcome. Please read up a bit on our project before you start making edits. There is an etiquette to follow, and it is there for a good reason. You will enjoy your time here if you follow some basic rules. Thanks. Kevintoronto 21:50, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * Kevintoronto, I wish that you would leave the MVSN link alone as there are other meanings for MVSN and that those who routinely surf through Wikipedia may find these links useful. There were two MVSN organizations and your personal disagrement not withstanding, they may loop, BUT so do many others. The links are for all Wikipedians and not just for you. G-day sir!--Numerousfalx 21:55, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Numerousfalx,

I am glad to have a person to talk to now, instead of an anonymous editor. I do not want to get into a revert war, so I will not revert until we have resolved it on this page. I do request, however, that you consider my points, and respond to them with reasoned arguments and not just invective.

I made my original change because I did not believe that it was consistent with Wikipedia style for the reasons I set out below. I identified the reasons for the change in the edit summary in accordance with the Wikipedia rules of engagement instruction:

 * Give good edit summaries, so your actions are clear and transparent.

An anonymous editor (which may or may not have been you) reverted the change without providing any explanation in the edit summary, which is not consistent with the above-mentioned rules of engagement. In order to try to avert a revert war, I made the change again, and provided a detailed explanation on the Talk page. This is the advice provided in Staying cool when the editing gets hot:
 * If someone disagrees with you, try to understand why, and in your discussion on the Talk pages take the time to provide good reasons why you think your way is better.

You have responded accusing me of behaving as though Wikipedia is only for me. Please review No personal attacks, particularly the part that asks you to:

 * Comment on content, not on the contributor. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users.

I also refer to Staying cool when the editing gets hot again:

 * Assume the best about people whenever possible. Wikipedia has worked remarkably well so far based on a policy of openness. This suggests that most people who visit do want to help, and do succeed at helping.

If you take a look at my user page, you will see that I have created and contributed to a large numbers of articles in order to build Wikipedia into a better encyclopedia. By adding the large amount of content that I have, I have demonstrated that, like you, I am here to share knowledge, not to create personal play thing.

My reasons for making this change:

Firstly, it is customary to put the name of an organization in the text, and initials in parentheses: i.e., United Nations (UN), rather than the other way around.

Secondly, I believe that my edit is consistent with the Wikipedia style. I refer you to Manual of Syle:Links:

 * ''The use of so-called "free links" to other topics, for example, George W. Bush, is encouraged. Use the links for all words and terms that are relevant to the article.

The purpose of free links is to allow readers to easily and conveniently follow their curiosity or research to other articles.''

I do not think that the Tonton Macoute is related to the Italian blackshirts or to a computer software company, so linking it to the disambiguation page is not "relevant to the article". The fact that they share the same initials is only incidental. Please review the Style Guide, and let me know why you think that linking to these other articles is relevant.

If they are relevant, then it would make sense to link directly to those articles, instead of to the disambiguation page, e.g., "The Tonton macoute were more formally known as the Milice volontaire de securite nationale (MVSN - not to be confused with the Italian Blackshirts or the Macrovision software company that have the same initials)."

But I don't think that that makes a lot of sense in the context of this article: people who come to this article on the Tonton macoute are probably not looking for information on the Blackshirts or on a computer software company.

Your comments, please. Kevintoronto 18:56, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * But who are you to suppose what other people want, isn't Wikipedia a whole lot of relevent links leading those in the quest for knowledge? You may not see the relavence in the links but mayhaps others do, as I am but one and obviously there are others as the link keeps geeting restored. Apparently we are in disagreement, maybe the links will open their eyes as to the existence of othermeanings to MVSN. And since this article is linked to the terrorist category, do you not think that the Italian MVSN was a terrorist organization in accordance with the methods that the used?--Numerousfalx 17:57, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * What's up with the constant linkremoval to MVSN, was it or was it not called the MVSN? and therefore, why is the link being deleted by Kevintoronto? I think the link is applicable and I think it should stay there, whythen do you not see this, I happen to agree with Numerousfalx, and think the link should stay. I think that you two need to getover what ever it is and leave the link alone.--Tomtom 18:03, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Kindly, you're all wrong., , and . The official organization name is Volontaires de la Sécurité Nationale (VSN), it was never, Milice de Volontaires de la Sécurité Nationale (MVSN) and the sources never cited this but instead referred it as the former. This was their official logo shown here . Cheers. Savvyjack23 (talk) 22:07, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

"sand of blocks"
In the Dexter quote, what would that be in, say, English? Chris 06:45, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Plural
Should it not be (Les) Tontons Macoute, not Tonton Macoutes? Plutonium27 (talk) 23:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Yes, it really should be Tontons Macoutes. Savvyjack23 (talk) 22:01, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Removed section
I've removed the section from the article and placed it below. None of the statements have any citations, and the citations we need have to speak specifically to the Tonton Macoute, not just some "secret police". Also they have to be notable, so some passing reference in a song or a stand-up joke isn't very notable. And of course, original research/personal observations are utterly unacceptable. None of it can return to the article wthout suitable citation.

I can't comment regarding other "popular culture" references, but the lyrics to the Plant song are easily Googled as well as being printed in the CD booklet. What constitutes a suitable citation? And what specifically qualifies a reference as notable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wozthewise (talk • contribs) 23:31, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

 * Tonton Macoute in popular culture
 * There is a mention of the Tonton Macoute on the Showtime television show, Dexter episode "Father Knows Best": Yeah, the boogeyman. They did a lot of terrible things. Killed a lot of people. They made mothers carry the heads of their dead sons. Forced fathers to rape their daughters. They tied cinder blocks around people's necks and drowned them and put mutilated bodies in trees and killed everybody trying to take them down.
 * There is a mention of the Tonton Macoute on the Robert Plant song "Heaven Knows," from his 1988 album Now and Zen.
 * British standup comedian Bill Bailey references Tonton Macoute in his live show Part Troll when he says: That's true, Hitler was a vegetarian. Just goes to show, vegetarianism is not always a good thing. Can in some extreme cases lead to genocide. It's like the Tonton Macoute machete maintenance class: violent but instructive.
 * Probably the most complete exposition of the structure and deeds of the Tonton Macoute in the movies was The Comedians (1967, based upon the Graham Greene novel). Richard Burton, relentlessly pursued by Papa Doc's myrmidons, is asked by a companion, What are you afraid of?, to which he replied: I am afraid of the Tonton; I am afraid of death. And, though not in the movie, it's worth noting that in Voodoo the number 2 is bad luck, poison, thus Papa Doc, in order to inculcate fear, rode around in a black sedan with the license plate "22", two 2's being doubly bad.
 * In Brazil, a post-punk band used the name in the late 1980s, led by then young composer Joao MacDowell.
 * The secret police is featured in the American horror film The Serpent and the Rainbow.

- Arcayne  (cast a spell)  04:14, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Plural again
In French, the plural of tonton macoute is tontons macoutes, which is both regular, with both components showing the plural (when they are a part of speech that has a plural form, as here), and specifically attested by the Petit Robert dictionary. Am correcting accordingly. Awien (talk) 16:47, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

 * I agree with you 100% . Savvyjack23 (talk) 22:01, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

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Guaranteed Rate Field

Guaranteed Rate Field, formerly Comiskey Park and U.S. Cellular Field, is a baseball stadium located on the South Side of Chicago, Illinois, United States. It is the ballpark of Major League Baseball’s Chicago White Sox, one of the city's two MLB teams, and is owned by the state of Illinois through the Illinois Sports Facilities Authority. Completed at a cost of US$137 million, the park opened as Comiskey Park on April 18, 1991, taking its name from the former ballpark at which the White Sox had played since 1910.

Guaranteed Rate Field is situated just to the west of the Dan Ryan Expressway in Chicago's Armour Square neighborhood, adjacent to the more famous neighborhood of Bridgeport. The stadium was built directly across 35th Street from the original Comiskey Park, which was demolished to make room for a parking lot for the new venue. The location of Old Comiskey's home plate is represented by a marble plaque on the sidewalk next to Guaranteed Rate Field, with the foul lines painted in the parking lot. The spectator ramp across 35th Street is designed in such a way (partly curved, partly straight but angling east-northeast) that it echoes the contour of the old first-base grandstand.

History

The stadium was the first new major sporting facility built in Chicago since Chicago Stadium in 1929. It was also the last one built before the wave of new "retro-classic" ballparks in the 1990s and 2000s.

A few design features from the old Comiskey Park were retained. The front facade of the park features arched windows. The "exploding scoreboard" pays homage to the original, installed by Bill Veeck at the old park in 1960. The original field dimensions and seating configuration were very similar to those of Royals Stadium (now Kauffman Stadium) in Kansas City, which had been the last baseball-only park built in the majors, in 1973.

As originally built, the park was criticized by many fans because of the height of the upper deck. The original architect, HOK Sport (now Populous), wanted to eliminate the overhang problems present in many stadiums built since the 1970s. With this in mind, the upper deck was set back over the lower deck, and the stands rose fairly gradually. While it gave nearly every seat in the upper level an unobstructed view of the field, it also created one of the highest upper decks in baseball. The first row of seats in the upper deck of the new stadium is as far from the field as the highest row of seats in the upper deck at the old stadium. Due to the field being practically at street level, the original upper deck made the park look like a cookie-cutter stadium from the outside. Fans sitting in this area did not get much chance for relief, as it was one of the few parks in Major League Baseball that did not allow fans sitting in the upper deck to venture anywhere else in the park, such as the lower deck concourse.

In response to fan complaints, the stadium has undergone numerous renovations since the 2001 season in order to retrofit the facility to current architectural trends. These changes have included building a multi-tiered concourse beyond center field, adjusting the fences to make the outfield less symmetrical, and most significantly, the removal of 6,600 seats at the top of the upper deck.

The uppermost tier of the park now has a white and black screen behind the top row of seats, and is topped by a flat canopy roof supported by black steel truss supports that obstruct the view of a few seats. The original blue seats were also replaced by forest green seats. The new green and black color scheme, upper-level screen set back from the outer wall and canopy roof are reminiscent of the old Comiskey Park, as well as other classic baseball stadiums. Murals to the interior concourses were also added, a prominent feature of the old stadium.

The stadium houses 103 luxury suites located on two levels, as well as 1,822 "club seats" on 300-level mezzanine between the lower deck and upper deck. The club seats receive in-seat wait-staff, and benefit from an enclosed concourse with multiple television viewing areas and bar-style concessions. The stadium has 400 wheelchair-accessible seats, 38 public restrooms, 12 escalators, and 15 elevators. The new suites were one example of why the old Comiskey Park was demolished, as suites generate more revenue.

Naming rights
Originally called Comiskey Park, the stadium was renamed U.S. Cellular Field in 2003, after Chicago-based telecommunications company U.S. Cellular purchased the naming rights at US$68 million for 20 years. U.S. Cellular would later pay $13 million to end the agreement seven years early, saving an estimated $10.8 million. The stadium's current name was announced on October 31, 2016, after the Chicago-based private residential mortgage company Guaranteed Rate purchased the naming rights in a 13-year deal. It was later revealed that Guaranteed Rate would pay $20.4 million over ten years for the 13-year agreement. This translates to an average payment of $2.4 million, less than U.S. Cellular's yearly payment of $3.4 million as well as below the average MLB naming rights payment of $3.6 million at the time of the deal's signing.

Attractions and features

 * Flickering LED Lights: The White Sox use the flickering LED Lights feature for whenever the team takes the field before the first pitch, hits a Home Run, or wins a game. They also used the feature for whenever their closer, Liam Hendriks, comes out of the bullpen.
 * Fan Deck: A panoramic view of the playing field on the two-tiered Fan Deck atop the center field concession stands. Fan Deck includes catered food and beverage service consisting of chicken sandwiches, hot dogs, hamburgers, potato chips, popcorn, beer, soda, and water. Fan deck can accommodate around 150 people.
 * Miller Lite Landing: A 326-seat section in right field that features running water fixtures on all four sides, individual seating, spaces for group parties and a standing room area where fans can interact near the outfield concourse. The first few rows of the section includes cushioned seats, device charging ports, television screens and more.
 * Craft Kave: A two-tiered, open-air section located in right field next to the visitor's bullpen with food and drinks.
 * Rain Rooms: A place where fans can cool off during hot game days. Near section 107 & 537.
 * Kids Zone: Located in left field. This 15000 sqft area is devoted to young White Sox fans, providing them with the opportunity to learn the fundamentals of baseball. It features a youth-sized whiffle ball diamond for coaching clinics, batting and pitching cages, batting "swing" boxes for proper batting techniques and areas for base running and skills instruction.
 * Speed Pitch Machines: Near section 155 and 522
 * Shower: A carry-over from old Comiskey Park where fans can cool off during hot gamedays. Near Section 160.
 * Scout Seats: Located directly behind home plate and contains 314 leather seats.
 * The Patio: Located just behind the right center field fence at field level. The patio serves for group outings such as the Craft Kave and can accommodate from 50 to 100 people.
 * Home Plate Club: Located behind home plate. Features include a restaurant buffet, open bar, open air seating in padded, extra-wide 22" seats, private restrooms, flat-screen televisions throughout the club and seating area, private elevator entrance behind home plate at Gate 4, early admittance into the ballpark for select games to watch White Sox batting practice from the outfield.
 * #SoxSocial Tap Room: The Tap Room is open to all guests with a game ticket until the last out of each game. The Tap Room is accessible by the stairs located outside Section 157.
 * Pizza Pub: Fans can enjoy pizza straight out of the oven along with full bar options and a new seating area. Located near Section 163.
 * Xfinity Zone: Located outside Section 109. Fans can order food and beverages, watch sports on the big screen.
 * Scoreboard Shop: The Scoreboard Shop, formerly 47 Shop, offering souvenirs, hats and apparel from years past to today, is open on game days only. Located in front of the Fan Deck in the middle of Sections 101 and 164, directly under the HD video scoreboard.
 * Home Plate Shop: The Home Plate Shop, offering a wide variety of White Sox merchandise, is open on game days only. Located behind home plate on the 100 Level at Section 133.
 * New Era Cap Corner: Baseball caps of all colors, styles and sizes in a wide variety of team logos, is open on game days only. Located on the 100 level at Section 157.
 * Minnie Miñoso Sculpture: Located behind Section 164.
 * Carlton Fisk Sculpture: Located behind Section 164.
 * Charles Comiskey Sculpture: Located behind Section 100.
 * Luis Aparicio Sculpture: Located behind Section 100.
 * Nellie Fox Sculpture: Located behind Section 100.
 * Billy Pierce Sculpture: Located behind Section 164.
 * Harold Baines Sculpture: Located behind Section 105.
 * Frank Thomas Sculpture: Located behind Section 160.
 * Paul Konerko Sculpture: Located behind Section 160.
 * Jim Thome Plaque: Located on the center field fan deck. The description of the plaque reads "On June 4, 2008, Chicago White Sox slugger Jim Thome became the first player ever to hit a baseball onto the Fan Deck of U.S. Cellular Field as the Sox beat the Kansas City Royals. He duplicated the tape-measure feat on September 30, 2008 as the White Sox beat the Minnesota Twins, 1–0, in a one-game playoff to win the American League Central Division championship."
 * The Two Blue Seats: The seats where Paul Konerko's Grand Slam (left field in section 159) and Scott Podsednik's game-winning home run (right center first row in section 101) that landed in game two of the 2005 World Series are the same original blue seats in use at that game.
 * White Sox Champions Brick Plaza: Located at the main entrance to the park, (Gate 4). The plaza is dedicated to the 2005 World Series Champion White Sox and their fans. Each legacy brick is inscribed with a personalized message that has become part of a new baseball diamond-shaped plaza outside the main entrance to the ballpark. A life-sized white bronze and granite sculpture celebrating the 2005 White Sox World Series Championship that stands at the center of the plaza, with a historical timeline of the franchise along the diamond's base paths. The statue weighs over 25 tons.
 * Old Comiskey Park's home plate: Located just north of the park by Gate 5 in Lot B.
 * "ChiSox Bar and Grill": A multi-level restaurant and bar located inside of Gate 5. The establishment features both indoor and outdoor seating and a wide variety of food, drinks, and entertainment.
 * Chicago Sports Depot: A Chicago White Sox, Bears, Blackhawks, Bulls, and Fire merchandise store located next to ChiSox Bar and Grill at Gate 5. An entrance on the 100 level at Section 145 allows visitors to enter the store and shop during the game.

1996–1999

 * 1996 – A bullpen bar was added in right field.
 * 1998 – The batter's eye was painted from blue to black.
 * 1999 – A new Bill Veeck-esque showerhead in left field and a "Rain Room" in right field for fans to cool off during hot summertime games.

2001–2007
In 2001, extensive renovations were started by HKS Sports & Entertainment Group to make the park more fan-friendly:

Phase I (2001 season)

 * Three rows of nearly 2,000 seats were added along the field between the dugouts and the foul poles.
 * Bullpens were relocated to allow fans to see pitchers warming up; former bullpens filled with new seats.
 * Two-tiered terrace seating area added outside the Bullpen Sports Bar.
 * Distances to the outfield wall were changed, most noticeably down the foul lines, where the bullpens and the Bullpen Sports Bar are now located.
 * Outfield seating area extended to the fence.
 * A full-service restaurant dubbed the Stadium Club was introduced with windows overlooking the right field corner.
 * Capacity was increased from 44,321 to 45,936.

Phase II (2002 season)

 * Old backstop with netted roof was replaced with a new "roofless" backstop which allows foul balls to drop into seats directly behind home plate.
 * Multi-tiered batter's eye built in center field.
 * Main concourse upgraded with brick facade, stainless steel counter tops and decorative lighting.
 * Club-level concourse enclosed and carpeted with heating, air conditioning and comfortable seating areas throughout.
 * Party deck was added in center field, just below the scoreboard and above the batter's eye.

Phase III (2003 season)

 * Scoreboard and video boards were upgraded.
 * Full-color, high resolution 28 × 53 ft video screen added to center field scoreboard.
 * Two 300 ft-long, 5 foot-high video LED "ribbon" boards added along the upper deck facade.
 * Design upgrades consistent with the lower deck finished on outfield and upper deck concourses.
 * Fan Deck, featuring food and beverage service in an elevated patio-like atmosphere, built on center field concourse.
 * Outfield steel framework and underside of canopy roof painted dark gray; concrete in seating areas and on pedestrian ramps stained gray.
 * A life size bronze statue of Charles Comiskey was placed on the center field concourse behind section 100.
 * Capacity is increased from 45,936 to 47,098.
 * Phase III renovations cost approximately $20 million.

Phase IV (2004 season)

 * Upper Deck Seating Area – Eight rows and 6,600 seats were removed from the top of the ballpark's upper deck.
 * A flat roof, elevated 20 ft above the seating area, has replaced the old sloped canopy-style roof, covering 13 of the 21 rows of seating.
 * Upper Deck Concourse was partially enclosed from the weather by a translucent wall.
 * Fan Deck in center field upgraded to feature tiered seating and standing room.
 * Lower Terrace balcony added to provide an additional party area and outdoor seating.
 * The outfield wall was redone with pictures of White Sox players who've had their number retired.
 * A life sized bronze statue of Minnie Miñoso placed on the center field concourse behind section 164.
 * Capacity is decreased from 47,098 to 40,615.
 * Phase IV renovations cost approximately $28 million.

Phase V (2005 season)

 * 314-seat "Scout" seating area directly behind home plate added.
 * FUNdamentals Deck, an area for kids to work on various baseball skills, was added above the left field concourse.
 * Green seats, modeled after those in the original Comiskey Park, replaced the old blue seats in the Club level and some scattered areas around home plate. The bleachers in left-center field were painted green.
 * A bronze statue of Carlton Fisk was placed on the center field concourse behind section 164 on August 7.

Phase VI (2006 season)

 * Green seats reminiscent of those in the original Comiskey Park replaced the old blue seats in the entire Upper Deck and the Lower Deck between the dugouts.
 * Enclosed, ground level restaurant was completed, providing a lounge and dining area for the Scout Seats.
 * New banners were hung down on the outfield light towers. One for the 2005 World Series, one for the 1906 and 1917 World Series, one for all White Sox American League pennants, and one for all the division championships.
 * The flags for these titles, now on the banners, were replaced with flags of all the Sox logos in club history.
 * Bronze statues of Nellie Fox and Luis Aparicio were placed on the center field concourse behind section 100.

Phase VII (2007 season)

 * Green seats replaced the old blue seats in the Lower Deck from the dugouts and the entire outfield seating area (including the left-center field bleachers which were previously renovated). The green seats between the dugout and the foul poles have been slightly turned, re-directing them toward the center of the field. (Visually Re-Directed Seats)
 * The seats where Paul Konerko's Grand Slam (left field) and Scott Podsednik's walk off home run (right center first row) landed in game two of the 2005 World Series are the same original blue seats in use at that game and stand out from the all-green seats.
 * The Scoreboard in right field was painted green.
 * A new premium seating/restaurant named the Jim Beam Club (known as the Home Plate Club as of 2014) was added in the former press box behind home plate on the stadium's Diamond Suites 200 Level.
 * A new press box was added on the first base side on the Diamond Suites 400 Level. The facility features 32 flat-screen televisions, wireless internet access and seating for 100 working members of the media.
 * A new custom T-shirt shop was added.
 * A bronze statue of Billy Pierce was placed on the center field concourse behind section 164 on July 23.
 * A Thome Ticker counting down to Jim Thome's 500th career home run (hit on September 16 against the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim). The ticker was located in right field on the right advertising board, and was taken down after the 2007 season.
 * The beginning of the White Sox Champions brick plaza in front of the stadium (Gate 4) and Phase I of brick sales.

Extensive renovations (2008–present)
Renovations were added that were not part of the original plan:

2008 season

 * The Illinois Sports Facilities Authority unveiled the first environmentally friendly permeable paving parking lot to be used by a Major League sports facility on April 8. The new lot (Lot L) saves taxpayer money by substantially reducing the amount of water entering Chicago's stormwater system, improving overall water quality and help reduce the Urban heat island effect.
 * The White Sox Legacy Brick Program unveiled its brick plaza outside Gate 4 on April 11. Each Legacy Brick is inscribed with a personalized message and has become part of a new baseball diamond-shaped plaza outside the main entrance to the ballpark. A white, bronze and granite sculpture weighing over 25 tons that celebrates the 2005 White Sox World Series championship stands at the center of the plaza, with a historical timeline of the franchise along the diamond's base paths. Players on the sculpture from the 2005 team are Paul Konerko, Joe Crede, Orlando Hernández, Geoff Blum, and Juan Uribe.
 * Plasma flatscreen television sets were added throughout the outfield concourse and at the top of its beer concession stands.
 * A bronze statue of Harold Baines was placed on the right field concourse behind Section 105 on July 20.

2009 season

 * About $15 million in renovations were made to Gate 5 (north of 35th Street) to improve access to the park. The demolition (beginning of November 2008) of the easternmost portion of the pedestrian ramp and removal of the top two levels of the easternmost foot bridge across 35th Street, reducing it to one level with continuing access to the park on the main concourse level. The second foot bridge at Gate 5, about 75 yd west of the east bridge, continues to offer access to the park on three levels. The project also included installation of escalators in a new, weather-protected enclosure and installation of elevators which provide additional access for fans with disabilities. The project was completed by opening day on April 7, when the White Sox defeated the Kansas City Royals 4–2.
 * Inside the park, a new scoreboard (23 ft x 68 ft) with 913,000 LED lights (similar to Tropicana Field) replaced the older out-of-town scoreboard in right field. In addition to displaying both lineups (that of the Sox and their opponents) the board showed season stats for the current batter and pitcher. It also served as an upgrade to the old "around-the-league" scoreboard that it replaced. While the old scoreboard showed only the current innings, scores, and pitchers' jersey numbers, the new board was capable of showing balls, strikes, outs, locations of any baserunners, and the current batter and pitcher by last name instead of by number. A slight disadvantage is that the new board only showed four games at a time in this manner, whereas the old board showed every game in progress simultaneously.
 * A small plaque honoring Jim Thome located on the center field fan deck for his 464 foot home run shot that landed there, becoming the first player ever to do so on June 4, 2008. The White Sox defeated the Royals in that game. Thome duplicated this feat again on September 30, 2008, in a one-game playoff against AL Central rival Minnesota Twins. His home run proved to be the game winner in a 1–0 shutout to win the AL Central.
 * For White Sox players, a new hydrotherapy room with three combinational hot-and-cold whirlpool tubs. An underwater treadmill that can curb problems relating to the abdominals, back and knee and strengthens the muscles and hip, is installed in one of the tubs.
 * "The Catch" was written on the left-center field wall above Billy Pierce's image (now above a blank wall), at the location where DeWayne Wise made a catch to rob Gabe Kapler of a 9th-inning home run and ensure Mark Buehrle's perfect game on July 23, 2009.

2010–present
2010 season
 * A new outdoor Beer Garden named "TBD's" was installed by July 26 (when the White Sox hosted the Seattle Mariners) at Gate 5. The area served beer, wine, soda, and water, and also had 12 flat-screen TVs. TBD's was taken down and replaced by "ChiSox Bar and Grill" in 2011. The restaurant was open at 11 AM on gamedays. Although it is technically outside the park and accessible with or without a game ticket, fans must be 21 or older to enter. Home Plate Club opens behind home plate
 * Frank Thomas' number and picture were added to the outfield wall as his number was retired.

2011 season

 * A new Metra station (Jones/Bronzeville) on the Rock Island line (designed by Infrastructure Engineering, Inc.) worth $7.9 million was planned to be opened in 2009, but due to a year-long delay of construction, the station opened in 2011 after groundbreaking on June 29, 2009. The new station is located East of the ballpark just beyond the I-90/I-94 Dan Ryan Expressway.
 * A multi-level restaurant and bar inside Gate 5 called "ChiSox Bar and Grill" (formerly known as Bacardi at the Park). The establishment features both indoor and outdoor seating and a wide variety of food, drinks, and entertainment for Guaranteed Rate Field guests that started in April 2011. "ChiSox Bar and Grill" is open during the baseball season, but plans made the restaurant and bar a year-round establishment.
 * A bronze statue of Frank Thomas was unveiled on July 31, against the Boston Red Sox. It is the eighth statue to be placed on the outfield concourse.

2012 season
 * Chicago Sports Depot, a new merchandise store, opened on November 19, 2011, right next to Gate 5 and ChiSox Bar and Grill.

2014 season
 * A bronze statue of Paul Konerko was unveiled on September 27, against the Kansas City Royals. It is the ninth statue to be placed on the outfield concourse.

2016 season

 * Three new HD video boards were installed before the start of the 2016 season at a cost of $7.3 million. The auxiliary boards in left and right field, and the main video board in center, were all replaced with new HD screens. The project was funded via the Sox' capital repairs budget.

2018 season
 * The visitor's clubhouse was renovated to meet up to date technology.
 * A virtual reality home run derby batting cage was installed in the Chicago Sports Depot.
 * A 30 foot high safety netting has been extended to the outfield end of both dugouts, or from section 122 to 142.
 * A new LED ribbon board was extended to run the entire length of the grandstand, meaning the retired numbers that resided behind home plate had to be moved to the first and third-base lines.

2019 season
 * A 326-seat section dubbed "The Goose Island" (now known as the "Miller Lite Landing") replaced sections 106 and 107 in right field. The section includes running water fixtures on all four sides to create the "island" of beer and baseball. The section also features individual seating, spaces for group parties and a standing room area where fans can interact near the outfield concourse. The first few rows of the section also provide a "modernized" game day experience with cushioned seats, device charging ports, television screens and more. The revamped section expanded the presence of Goose Island, which is owned by beverage conglomerate Anheuser-Busch InBev, inside the stadium. The previously known Craft Cave became the Goose Island Craft Cave. Formerly a 10 foot Goose Island tap statue overlooked the stadium from the special section. The section opened by opening day on April 4.
 * An extension of the safety netting from the dugouts to foul poles was completed during the 2019 season.

2021 season 2022 season 2023 season
 * The White Sox added the flickering LED lights for whenever the team either comes out of their dugout before the first pitch, hits a home run, wins a game, or whenever their closer comes out of the bullpen.
 * The White Sox removed their outfield banners in their light towers.
 * The White Sox added two new viewing bars in the 500 level prior to the start of the 2023 season. To accomplish this, eight rows of seats in the two 500-level sections had to be removed. According to the website that released the permit, the project cost was approximately $284,500. Located near Sections 516 and 548, the bars feature walk-up beverage service with seating offering excellent views of the field, creating new amenities for all fans on the 500-level concourse.
 * The White Sox added turf around the monument of the old Comiskey Park home plate outside the stadium.

Retired numbers
There are 12 retired numbers on the facade of the 1st and 3rd base sides of the 300 level.

Transportation and entry gates
Guaranteed Rate Field can be reached by using the CTA's "L" Rapid Transit system. The stadium's station stops are Sox–35th for the Red Line and 35-Bronzeville-IIT for the Green Line. The Red Line is also used by Cubs fans to reach Wrigley Field (Addison Station) on the North side of Chicago. (When the White Sox take on the Cubs every year, usually in June, many fans will use the Red-Line to get to the games. The series is dubbed the Cross-Town Classic or the Windy City Showdown.)

A new Metra station (35th Street), which helps fans with more accessibility, opened on the Rock Island line in 2011. It is also accessible by CTA bus route #35 (31st/35th Street) and the suburban Pace Guaranteed Rate Field Express shuttle service.

Guaranteed Rate is just west of the I-90/94 Dan Ryan Expressway. The "Dan Ryan" was under construction in 2006–2007 in hopes of relieving traffic congestion.

The ballpark has eight main parking lots.

The ballpark has seven main entrances:
 * Gate 1 is located on the South side of the park in right field
 * Gate 2 is located on the Southwest side of the park down the right field
 * Gate 3 is located on the West side of the park on the 1st
 * Gate 4 is on the Northwest side of the park behind home
 * Gate 5 is located on the North side of the park on the 3rd base
 * Gate 6 is located on the Northeast side of the park down the left field
 * Gate 7 is located on the East side of the park in left field.

The main level is accessible only to fans who have a ticket to a seat in the lower level.

1990s

 * April 18, 1991: The inaugural game of the ballpark. The White Sox were defeated by the Detroit Tigers 16–0. Attendance: 42,191
 * April 22, 1991: Frank Thomas hits the first White Sox home run in new Comiskey Park as the Sox defeat the Baltimore Orioles, 8–7, in the first night contest in the new ballpark. Attendance: (30,480)
 * September 27, 1993: White Sox clinch the American League West Division with a 4–2 victory against the Seattle Mariners giving them their first postseason berth since 1983. Attendance: (42,116)
 * October 5, 1993: New Comiskey hosted its first ever playoff game, game 1 of the 1993 ALCS. The Sox lost to the Toronto Blue Jays, 7–3. The park also played host to games 2 and 6 of the series, which the Sox lost, four games to two. Attendance: (46,246)
 * July 15, 1994: Cleveland Indians player Albert Belle was caught using a corked bat and was confiscated and locked in the umpires' dressing room. During the game, the Indians sent relief pitcher Jason Grimsley to retrieve the bat where Grimsley crawled from inside the false ceiling with a flashlight in his mouth, took the bat, and replaced it with a bat used by Paul Sorrento. By the 6th inning, a custodian noticed the bat was missing with ceiling tiles on the floor. After the game, umpire Dave Phillips noticed the bat was stolen and contacted the Chicago police. The White Sox even threatened to press charges against whoever stole the bat. The AL ordered the Indians to return Belle's bat threatening to send the FBI before they dropped it and asked for the bat which the Indians would give back. The bat was sawed and found to be corked and Belle was suspended for 10 games before was reduced to 7 on an appeal. No one knew who stole the bat until 1999 when Grimsley admitted his participation to the New York Times. Attendance: (38,686)
 * September 14, 1997: Carlton Fisk's number 72 was retired by the White Sox as the Sox played the Cleveland Indians. The Sox would lose 8–3. Attendance: (32,485)
 * May 18, 1998: Oakland Athletics Mike Blowers hits for the cycle against the White Sox in the A's 14–0 win. Blowers becomes the first player to hit for the cycle in the stadium and the second in franchise history to hit for the cycle. Attendance: (14,387)
 * July 6, 1999: White Sox Chris Singleton hits for the cycle against the Kansas City Royals. Singleton becomes the first White Sox player to hit for the cycle in the stadium and the fourth player in franchise history to hit for the cycle. The White Sox lost the game 8–7 in 10 innings. Attendance: (11,251)

2000s

 * April 27, 2000: White Sox José Valentín hits for the cycle against the Baltimore Orioles in the White Sox's 13–4 win becoming the 5th player in franchise history to hit for the cycle. Attendance: (13,225)
 * September 13, 2002: The Rolling Stones, on their Licks Tour, play the first-ever concert held in the stadium.
 * July 15, 2003: The stadium hosts the 74th MLB All-Star Game. The first All-Star game was played at Comiskey Park in 1933. Attendance: (47,609)
 * July 25, 2003: White Sox hall of famer Frank Thomas hits his 400th career MLB homerun against the Tampa Bay Devil Rays off of pitcher Jorge Sosa becoming the 36th player in MLB history to do it. Attendance: (22,617)
 * September 13–14, 2004: U.S. Cellular Field hosts two games between the Florida Marlins and the Montreal Expos, due to Hurricane Ivan in Florida. The Marlins sweep by scores of 6–3 and 8–6. The series would return to Florida to finish the last three games, with the Expos taking two. Game 1 attendance: (4,003). Game 2 attendance: (5,457)
 * August 7, 2005: A life-sized bronze statue of catcher Carlton Fisk is unveiled on the center-field concourse behind section 164. The White Sox defeat the Seattle Mariners 3–1. Attendance: (35,706)
 * October 5, 2005: The stadium hosted game 2 of the 2005 American League Division Series between the White Sox and the defending World Series champion Boston Red Sox with the White Sox up 1–0 in the series. The Red Sox led the game 4–0 heading into the 5th when the White Sox answered with a 5 run inning including an error by former White Sox shortstop Tony Graffanino when a ball hit by Juan Uribe went through the legs of Graffanino which could've got the inning ending double play but allowed the inning to continue. The rally was capped off by a go-ahead three-run home run by Tadahito Iguchi that won the game for the White Sox 5–4 and take a 2–0 series lead. The White Sox would win their next game in Boston to sweep the Red Sox and move on to the ALCS. Attendance: (40,799)
 * October 12, 2005: The stadium hosted game 2 of the 2005 American League Championship Series between the White Sox and the Los Angeles Angels with the Angels up 1–0 in the Series. The game was tied 1–1 in the bottom of the 9th inning with 2 outs. Angels pitcher Kelvim Escobar struck out A. J. Pierzynski when Pierzynski took a couple steps toward his dugout before he began to run to first base. Home plate umpire Doug Eddings said it was a uncaught third strike and had to be thrown to first which no throw was made because they all thought the inning was over and Pierzynski was called safe and allowed the inning to continue. Replay appeared to show the ball to be caught cleanly by catcher Josh Paul but replay review did not exist back then and the call stood. The White Sox would pinch run Pierzynski with Pablo Ozuna. Ozuna would steal second before Joe Crede would walk it off with a base hit off the left field wall and won the game for the White Sox 2–1 to tie the series at one game a piece. The White Sox would win their next three in Anaheim to advance to the World Series for the first time since 1959. Attendance: (41,013)
 * October 22, 2005: The first ever World Series game in this stadium. Luis Aparicio throws the ceremonial first pitch, then is joined by 1959 World Series teammates Jim Landis, J. C. Martin, Billy Pierce and Bob Shaw on the field. Josh Groban sings the national anthem. Craig Biggio of the Houston Astros is the game's first batter. Jermaine Dye's first-inning home run off Roger Clemens provides the game's first hit and run. The White Sox get their first World Series game victory since 1959, defeating the Houston Astros 5–3. Attendance: (41,206)
 * October 23, 2005: The stadium hosted game 2 of the 2005 World Series the following day between the White Sox and Astros. The White Sox were trailing the Astros 4–2 in the bottom of the 7th. The White Sox had the bases loaded for Paul Konerko after the Astros brought in Chad Qualls to help them get out of the jam. Konerko would hit a Grand Slam on the first pitch from Qualls to put the White Sox up 6–4. They would hold the lead until the 9th inning when closer Bobby Jenks had a blown save and allowed Astros pinch-hitter José Vizcaíno to tie the game on the first pitch with a 2 RBI single. In the bottom of the 9th, the Astros were attempting to force extra innings when Scott Podsednik, who hit zero Home Runs during the regular season, hit a walk-off Home Run off Brad Lidge to win the game for the White Sox 7–6 and take a 2–0 Series lead. The White Sox would win the next two games in Houston to win the World Series, their first since 1917. Attendance: (41,432)
 * October 28, 2005: After winning the 2005 World Series, the team's victory parade begins at U.S. Cellular Field, players boarding double-decker buses that travel north to downtown Chicago. A throng estimated at more than 200,000 celebrates the first White Sox championship since 1917.
 * April 2, 2006: The Sox open the 2006 season with the unveiling of their 2005 World Series Championship banner on the left-center light tower. Three other banners are placed on the other light towers: One for the 1906 and 1917 World Series championships by the Sox on the far left tower. The one on the right-center tower is for all the team's American League Championships. The one on the far right is for all the division championships. The Sox defeat the Cleveland Indians 10–4. Attendance: (38,802)
 * April 18, 2007: Mark Buehrle tossed a no-hitter against the Texas Rangers with it being the first no-hitter in the stadium, the 16th in franchise history, and the first no-hitter in franchise history since Wilson Álvarez in 1991. Attendance: (25,390)
 * September 16, 2007: Hall of famer Jim Thome hits his 500th career homerun in walk-off fashion to win it 9–7 against the Los Angeles Angels off of pitcher Dustin Moseley. Thome became the first player in MLB history to hit his 500th career homerun in walk-off fashion and being the 23rd player in MLB history to join the 500 home run club as well as the first and only to do it in a White Sox uniform. Attendance: (29,010)
 * April 8, 2008: The Illinois Sports Facilities Authority unveil the first environmentally friendly permeable paving parking lot to be used by a Major League sports facility in parking lot L.
 * April 11, 2008: The White Sox dedicate their new brick plaza to the 2005 World Series Champions and their fans. The Sox are defeated by the Detroit Tigers 5–2. Attendance: (26,094)
 * May 7, 2008: Minnesota Twins Carlos Gómez hits for the cycle for the first time in his career against the White Sox in the Twins' 13–1 win. Gómez became the 8th player in franchise history and the third youngest player in MLB history to hit for the cycle. Attendance: (21,092)
 * July 20, 2008: A life-sized bronze statue of Harold Baines is unveiled on the center-field concourse behind section 105. The Sox are defeated by the Kansas City Royals 8–7 and Jim Thome of the Sox collects his 2,000th career hit. Attendance: (32,269)
 * August 14, 2008: White Sox hit four consecutive home runs against the Kansas City Royals with the batters being Jim Thome, Paul Konerko, Alexei Ramírez, and Juan Uribe off of Joel Peralta and Rob Tejeda. It was the 6th time in MLB history that an MLB team hit four consecutive home runs and the first time its ever happened in franchise history. Attendance: (32,788).
 * September 29, 2008: White Sox came into a big game. If the White Sox won, they force an AL Central tiebreaker game against the Minnesota Twins the next day. The White Sox won the game 8–2 against the Detroit Tigers with rookie Alexei Ramírez hitting a go-ahead grand slam in the 6th. It was Ramírez's fourth grand slam of the season setting a single season record for most grand slams hit in a season by a rookie. Attendance: (35,923)
 * September 30, 2008: U.S. Cellular Field hosted the 2008 American League Central tie-breaker game between the Minnesota Twins and the Chicago White Sox. The game decided who would win the American League Central and would face the Tampa Bay Rays in the American League Division Series. White Sox fans were encouraged to wear all black at the game to show their support which they would do. The game was a pitching duel between John Danks of the White Sox and Nick Blackburn of the Twins until the 7th when Jim Thome hit a go-ahead home run off of Blackburn to give the White Sox a 1–0 lead. The game would end on a diving catch by White Sox outfielder Brian Anderson and the White Sox won 1–0 and clinched the AL Central Division. The White Sox would lose to the eventual American League champion Tampa Bay Rays in four games in the ALDS. Attendance: (40,354)
 * January 20, 2009: The White Sox display a banner outside of Gate 6 to honor White Sox fan Barack Obama's presidential inauguration.
 * July 23, 2009: The first perfect game and second no-hitter at U.S. Cellular Field and the 18th perfect game in MLB history. Mark Buehrle strikes out six batters and records 11 ground ball outs to get a perfect game against the Tampa Bay Rays. The perfect game included an amazing play by White Sox outfielder DeWayne Wise, who came in as a defensive replacement, where he robbed a home run from Gabe Kapler in the top of the 9th. It is the second no-hitter of Buehrle's career, the last occurring on April 18, 2007, against the Texas Rangers. It was also the franchise's second perfect game with the last one being Charlie Robertson in 1922. He is the first player since Hideo Nomo to throw multiple no-hitters, and the first to throw a perfect game since Randy Johnson of the Arizona Diamondbacks did it May 18, 2004 against the Atlanta Braves at Turner Field. In a remarkable coincidence, Buehrle's first no-hitter was 2 hours and 3 minutes and Buehrle's second was just as long. Another coincidence was home plate umpire (#56, same as Buehrle's) Eric Cooper who called both Buehrle's no-hitters. Yet another coincidence is that Ramón Castro, who caught for Buehrle, wears the No. 27 on his jersey, the number of consecutive outs needed for a perfect game. It was also Cooper's third no-hitter called with his first one with Hideo Nomo on April 4, 2001. Attendance: (28,036)
 * August 2, 2009: New York Yankees Melky Cabrera hits for the cycle against the White Sox in their 8–5 win becoming the 14th player in franchise history to hit for the cycle. Attendance: (36,325)

2010s

 * August 29, 2010: The White Sox host Frank Thomas Day at the ballpark against the New York Yankees. Thomas's jersey is retired, along with his image posted on the legends' wall in left-center field next to Billy Pierce on his left and Carlton Fisk on his right, and also right under "The Catch" logo. Yankees defeat the Sox 2–1. Attendance: (39,433)
 * May 3, 2011: Minnesota Twins pitcher Francisco Liriano throws a no-hitter against the White Sox. It was the Twins' 7th no-hitter in franchise history and the first no-hitter in franchise history since Eric Milton in 1999. Attendance: (20,901)
 * July 31, 2011: The White Sox unveil a replica statue of Frank Thomas on the outfield concourse behind section 160. The White Sox lose to the Boston Red Sox 5–3. Attendance: (28,278)
 * April 25, 2014: White Sox rookie José Abreu would break the MLB rookie record for the most home runs in the month of March-April with 9 home runs hit in the first month of the season as he hit two home runs in the game against the Tampa Bay Rays including a walk-off grand slam in the bottom of the 9th to win the game 9–6 and break the record that was previously shared by Kent Hrbek in 1982, Carlos Delgado in 1994, and Albert Pujols in 2001. Attendance: (17,210)
 * September 27, 2014: Paul Konerko is honored before the game for his retirement from baseball. A statue of him is unveiled on the left-field concourse next to Frank Thomas' Statue. Konerko was the last member of the 2005 Champion White Sox left on the team at the time of his retirement. The Sox defeat the Kansas City Royals 5–4. Attendance: (38,160)
 * May 23, 2015: Paul Konerko's number 14 is retired by the White Sox with a pregame ceremony. He became the 10th player to have his number retired by the White Sox. The White Sox were defeated by the Minnesota Twins 4–3. Attendance: (38,714)
 * June 24, 2017: Mark Buehrle's number 56 is retired by the White Sox with a pregame ceremony. Buehrle becomes the 11th player in White Sox history to have a retired number. The White Sox were defeated by the Oakland Athletics 10–2. Attendance: (38,618)
 * September 9, 2017: White Sox José Abreu hits for the cycle against the San Francisco Giants in the White Sox's 13–1 win becoming the 6th player in franchise history to hit for the cycle. Attendance: (17,688)
 * September 2, 2018: White Sox host Hawk Harrelson day to honor their announcer Ken Harrelson in his final year of commentating. The White Sox would beat the Boston Red Sox 8–0. Attendance: (30,745)
 * September 23, 2018: White Sox announcer Ken Harrelson would call his final game as a broadcaster. White Sox would lose to the Chicago Cubs 6–1. After the game, teams and fans from both sides gave Hawk one final standing ovation and a tip of the cap as a thank you. Attendance: (39,449)

2020s

 * August 16, 2020: White Sox hit four consecutive home runs against the St. Louis Cardinals with the batters being Yoán Moncada, Yasmani Grandal, José Abreu, and Eloy Jiménez off of pitcher Roel Ramírez, who was making his MLB debut that day. It was 10th time in MLB history a team hit four consecutive home runs and the second time in franchise history. Attendance: No in–person attendance due to COVID-19 pandemic.
 * August 25, 2020: White Sox pitcher Lucas Giolito throws a no-hitter against the Pittsburgh Pirates. The no-hitter was the 19th in White Sox history. Attendance: No in–person attendance due to COVID-19 pandemic.
 * September 17, 2020: White Sox clinch a playoff berth for the first time since 2008 with a 4–3 win against the Minnesota Twins. Attendance: No in–person attendance due to COVID-19 pandemic.
 * April 14, 2021: White Sox pitcher Carlos Rodón pitched a no-hitter against the Cleveland Indians. Rodón had a perfect game going into the 9th and got the first out with an amazing stretch play by José Abreu before he hit Roberto Pérez in the foot ending his chances of a perfect game. Rodón retired the next two batters he faced completing the 20th no-hitter in franchise history. Attendance: (7,148) Limited in–person attendance due to COVID-19 pandemic.
 * May 25, 2021: Long time Major League Baseball umpire Joe West umpired his 5,376th game passing Bill Klem for most games ever umpired. Attendance: (16,380) Limited in–person attendance due to COVID-19 pandemic.
 * June 6, 2021: White Sox manager Tony La Russa won his 2,764th game as manager passing John McGraw for second on the All-time manager wins list. Attendance: (20,068) Limited in–person attendance due to COVID-19 pandemic.
 * July 31, 2021: White Sox catcher Seby Zavala became the first player in MLB history to hit his first three career home runs in the same game. The White Sox lost to the Cleveland Indians 12–11. Attendance: 35,866
 * October 10, 2021: Guaranteed Rate Field hosted its first playoff game since 2008 with game 3 of the 2021 American League Division Series with the Houston Astros facing the White Sox with the Astros taking a 2–0 series lead and looking for a sweep. The game went back and forth in the first four innings with the White Sox scoring first in the first inning before the Astros answered with 5 of their own in the next two innings and took a 5–1 lead in the third. The White Sox answered with a 5 spot in the bottom of the third with home runs by Yasmani Grandal and Leury García to take a 6–5 lead. The Astros tied it in the fourth before the White Sox answered with a 3 spot in the bottom of the fourth and eventually won the game 12–6 to force game 4 which they would lose. Attendance: (40,288)
 * May 9, 2022: Cleveland Guardians' Josh Naylor became the first player in MLB history to hit two three-run home runs or grand slams in the ninth inning or later and the first player to have at least eight RBI in the eighth inning or later the same game. Naylor led a ninth inning comeback where the Guardians were down 8–2 to the White Sox where they rallied off 2 runs before Naylor came up to bat and crushed a game-tying grand slam. Naylor appeared in the top of 11th where the game was tied 9–9 and Naylor hit a go-ahead three run home run to give the Guardians a 12–9 win. Attendance: (17,168).
 * April 30, 2023: The White Sox were trailing 9–5 to the Tampa Bay Rays in the bottom of the 9th and came back and won 12–9 with a 7 run inning that was capped off by a walk–off three–run home run by Andrew Vaughan. The win snapped a 10–game losing streak. Attendance: (17,049)
 * May 29, 2023: White Sox closer Liam Hendriks appeared in his first Major League game since defeating cancer after he was diagnosed with Non-Hodgkin lymphoma on January 8 that same year. Hendriks was greeted with a standing ovation from the crowd at the park. Hendriks went through one inning and only gave up two runs in the White Sox 6–4 loss to the Los Angeles Angels. Attendance: (23,599)
 * August 25, 2023: Three spectators were injured by a stray bullet. The suspect "reportedly snuck the gun in past metal detectors hiding it in the folds of her belly fat." A post-game concert was supposed to be held after the game for the I Love the 90s Tour with singers Vanilla Ice, Rob Base, and Tone Loc to perform but that was cancelled for the reasoning being "technical issues." Attendance: (21,906)
 * July 10, 2024: White Sox pitcher Michael Kopech throws an immaculate inning against the Minnesota Twins while also picking up a save to preserve the White Sox 3–1 victory in the first game of a doubleheader. Kopech became just the second White Sox pitcher in franchise history to throw an immaculate inning and the first since Sloppy Thurston in 1923. Attendance: (13,607)

White Sox record at home

Notes: 1994 season incomplete due to Players Strike. Only 113 games played. Only 144 games played in 1995. Only 161 games played in 1997, 1999 and 2019. 163 games played in 2008 due to AL Central division tie-breaker game.

Only 60 games played in 2020 due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

80 home games played at Guaranteed Rate Field in 2021 with 1 played at Field of Dreams.

In film and other media
Guaranteed Rate Field has appeared in films such as Rookie of the Year (1993), Major League II (1994), Little Big League (1994), My Best Friend's Wedding (1997), and The Ladies Man (2000). In Rookie of the Year, the stadium played the role of Dodger Stadium, and in Little Big League, it played the role of all opposing ballparks except for Yankee Stadium and Fenway Park. Commercials for the PGA Tour, Nike, Reebok, and the Boys & Girls Clubs of America have been filmed at the park.

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Talk:Mount Pelée

Population
According to the merged in article Mount Pelee the population was 28,000. Since the exisitng article seemed authoratative I have chosen not to change its "about 25,000", however the more accyurte the figure the better. Rich Farmbrough 23:20, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Two survivors, or one?
This article states that there were 2 survivors of the 1902 event. Martinique states that there was only one. Any idea which is correct? Joyous 19:20, Jan 15, 2005 (UTC)

 * Some other sources list 3 survivors: Ludger Sylbaris, Leon Compere-Leandre, and Havivra Da Ifrile. --Shaddack 22:40, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Other than a small childrens' book and the internet sources, I cannot find any reference to Havivra Da Ifrile in any major source on the volcanic eruption. In La Catastrophe by Alwyn Scarth, an in-depth look at the long-term eruption, there is no mention of her. Scarth does give a great deal of evidence indicating that both Sylbaris and Compere-Leandre were survivors of the city. There were numerous survivors on the fringes of the pyroclastic flow and on ships off of Saint-Pierre - "at least 64" (Scarth, p.165).

Is there a birth or death record for Ifrile? She was 10 at the time of the eruption, and at least conscious enough to relate her story after the eruption, should there not be accounts of her AFTER the eruption? Interviews? Photos? Is there not a death record? I assume she did not die immediately after. I can find nothing indicating that she existed aside from the story of her miraculous survival. I could be wrong but it seems as if she suddenly appears (as part of this amazing story), then completely vanishes forever). Has someone ever found any record of her existence, other than the often-copied story of her survival?

Year of Map
The date given for the erruption is 1902. The legend beneath the map states that the map is from 1904. However, on the map itself the title reads "before the eruption"; hence the map must be from 1902 or earlier.

If you were to use a modern (2012) map you can still plot the 1902 information on it. It doesn't mean that because the map shows a date of 2012 and has the 1902 information on that the map is from 1902 0r earlier. As an aside the photographs of the 1902 eruption are not of the 8th May eruption but later ones. Lacroix took many photoographs of later nuees, but no-one is known to have photographed the 8th May one.The Geologist (talk) 13:05, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

A Little Editing and Additions
I added some pertinent information to the nice article that already existed. Also, a little editing (replaced the "lava flow" mentioned in regard to Morne Rouge with "pyroclastic flow" and broke down the fatality numbers to illustrate the little-known fact that several locations suffered loss, not just Morne Rouge). The Scarth book is an invaluable source, as is the Global Volcanism page.

Worst Volcanic Disaster in history?
Pelee is listed as the third worst volcanic explosion in history because Krakatoa and Tambora had more people die from other causes as a result of the erpution (i.e. tsunami, famine, etc.). However, in terms of immediate loss of life from, Pelee is in fact, the deadliest.

Technically if someone dies from starvation due to famine, I beleive that their death should not be included as a casualty of a volcanic eruption. This similar to why Katrina victims can't collect from their insurance companies: their houses were destroyed by the levee floods, not by a hurricane, so hurricane insurance was useless to them.

Since Pelee killed all of its victims directly, I propose that we elevate its status to worst volcanic disaster in history. Any thoughts?

I don't agree. I would consider either a tsunami or a lahar as much a direct consequence of an eruption as a pyroclastic flow. As far as famine, that's probably more of a grey area. Ayengar 08:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

These are slightly preposterous comparisons to make, since it is unclear in the case of many eruptions how many people exactly died (Tambora, Thera, Pompeii, to name a few). St. Pierre is the exception, because we can be quite exact in counting the death toll. Ilja Nieuwland 11:42, 13 July 2008 (GMT+1)

If any disaster causes directly or indirectly death, then the death toll reflects that. Tambora caused people in the immediate vicinity to die almost immediately, yet records indicate that there was an increase in death rates attributed to starvation across the northern hemisphere including the USA. Many European villages saw an increase in death rates which after due consideration of all expected factors the only inexplicable cause was starvation due to famine as a direct consequence of the eruption. The 2004 tsunami is attributed with the immediate death of about 300,000 people, yet it is possible that many more people died tan have been officially recognised, and how many died afterwards? The true figure will never be known. Why the insurance companies won't accept liability is a different matter and I would have thought the Federal Government would have accepted the liability.The Geologist (talk) 12:58, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Edwin Broome born 1871 Sunderland died 8 May 1902
He passed his Chief Mate's certificate in 1897. So far there are few details about his death. What is known is that he died on board a ship off Martinique when Mount Pelee erupted. Is there a list of names of those who died on the ships in the harbour?

Most active volcano
The article states that Pelée is the most active volcano in the West Indies. I believe that this is an unsupported supposition. It could be argued that Montserrat's Soufrière Hills volcano has been more active in recent years, since in the last twelve years, it has been erupting virtually continuously. I think that this should probably be corrected in the article. Ayengar 08:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I respectfully disagree; although it is correct that Soufrière Hills is currently in eruption (although it seems to be winding down at this time), while Pelee currently sits quiet, the term "most active volcano" refers to number of (known or dated) historic volcanic eruptions rather than current activity alone. If we compare Soufrière Hills with Pelee on the GVP website (Soufrière Hills @ http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/volcano.cfm?vnum=1600-05=&volpage=erupt  and Pelee @ http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/volcano.cfm?vnum=1600-12=&volpage=erupt ) then we find out that Pelee has been much more active over a longer period of time. RgTg  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.80.226 (talk) 02:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

There should be a picture of the buried people, ive seen a picture of buried people ina volcano book, and it should be added, its quite interesting really, but i need an account first...75.86.223.123 (talk) 23:45, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

 * Then why not join Wikipedia? It's just a few clicks...-- Guan long   wucaii  04:15, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

mount pele is very deadly volcano. which is why i think it is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.65.254.111 (talk) 21:06, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Suggested External Link
I am a librarian at a large research library. I am following Wikipedia's policy "to encourage librarians and others in cultural heritage institutions to place links to their primary resources WP:CURATOR." I would like to add the following link under External Links: http://digitalcollections.smu.edu/cdm4/results.php?CISOOP1=exact&CISOFIELD1=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOROOT=/lat&CISOBOX1=Ag1982.0026

This link is to 63 photographs from an album by W.G. Cooper, owner of a photography studio in Barbados. He photographed and/or obtained photographs of St. Pierre, Martinique and surrounding areas before and after the eruption of Mt. Pelee in May 1902. What is interesting about this album is that it contains photos dating before the eruption, which depict daily life amidst a tropical environment. Those images are followed by photos taken after the disaster, which capture the devastated landscape, the rubble of buildings and homes, and bodies of victims, some who appear to have died without an opportunity to flee.

I would appreciate your feedback before placing a link to this album. Digitaldomain (talk) 22:06, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

1929 Eruption
The article (which IIRC once featured a mention of the 1929-32 eruption) - aside from mentioning the date in the box to the right - does not describe that significant volcanic event (though not as large as the 1902 eruptions, it was a dome-building event, with pyroclastic flows, and marks the most recent activity of Pelee. I believe this should be added in the text (and for the life of me cannot understand why it was removed in the past). (see:  http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/volcano.cfm?vnum=1600-12=  )  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.239.142.186 (talk) 12:02, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Mythical centipedes and snakes?
I'm not sure that this mention of centipedes and snakes is supported by fact. See:

'Sifting truth from Pelee's ashes: how the real causes of a famous disaster, long misunderstood, became key elements in the modern science of volcanology' (Natural History, Oct, 2002 by Steven Soter)

"In 1969, Gordon Thomas and Max Morgan-Witts published The Day the World Ended, presenting it as a nonfiction account of the disaster. They blamed the tragedy on the apathy and duplicity of the governor. Adding to the list of ignored forewarnings from the volcano, they reported that poisonous centipedes and snakes had swarmed over the outskirts of the city and that people had been dying from an epidemic triggered by volcanic pollution. All this, like much else in their book, never happened.

Thomas and Morgan-Witts loaded their narrative with melodramatic fabrications, which so appalled Jacques Petitjean Roget, then president of the Historical Society of Martinique, that in 1972 he published a detailed and scathing critique to expose the nonsense. Unfortunately, his scholarly analysis remained largely unknown outside the French West Indies. Consequently, most subsequent accounts of the tragedy have relied on Thomas and Morgan-Witts, and the mythology continues to propagate."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1134/is_8_111/ai_92284529/pg_2/?tag=content;col1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.52.105.88 (talk) 22:34, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

 * It was also unsourced. I've removed it. --Avenue (talk) 10:34, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Volcanic Spine Timeline?
In the article, it says the volcanic spine started to grow in Oct. 1902 and became unstable and collapsed in March 1903. They say this is after 11 months of growth... October to March is certainly not 11 months by anyone's count; is there something missing here? Did it continue to grow after collapsing, perhaps for another 5 or 6 months? I'm no expert on the topic so I don't want to edit it myself in case there is more to it than a miscalculation. -Aaron Bryant 72.179.8.22 (talk) 14:33, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Tempest Anderson images
Hi all, PatHadley here. I'm the Wikipedian-in-Residence at York Museums Trust (project pages). We're just getting started with a major upload of lantern slides by Tempest Anderson, a pioneering volcanologist based in York. The image category is here: Category:Images from the Tempest Anderson Collection. It needs a little tidying but already has some great images of Mount Pelee, La Soufrière (volcano) and Le-Puy-en-Velay and the surrounding areas. They were taken on trips in 1907, 1902 and 1885 respectively. There will be more than 300 images coming soon (hopefully at higher resolutions!). If you have any questions please let me know. I hope you find them useful! Cheers, PatHadley (talk) 17:02, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

"In Literature" addition.
There is a science fiction short story about a bunch of time travellers who travel to various disasters on the planet, and in due course, they travel to a volcanic eruption. Their description is very graphic and very detailed. From it, it is quite clear that the volcanic eruption in question is indeed this 1902 one. Sadly, I can no longer remember the name of the story... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.161.37.172 (talk) 11:36, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

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Is the term "non active" accurate?
I'm not sure the term "non active", currently used, is accurate. A volcano is either active, dormant, or extinct. And a volcano that has erupted in the past 100 or so years definitely qualifies as active DigitalDracula (talk) 18:51, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Error (erroneous source) in May 20 Eruption Report???
This section: "On 20 May 1902, a second eruption equal to the first one in both type and force obliterated what was left of Saint-Pierre, killing 2000 rescuers, engineers, and mariners bringing supplies to the island.[20] "  ... is the one and only source that I have ever read indicating any fatalities associated with the second major eruption. If this pyroclastic flow did indeed kill 2000 rescuers, et al, it should have been mentioned in numerous sources and by the scientists who investigated this eruption. Contrast this event with the August eruption that verifiably killed around 2000 victims (see death toll by town in the Wikipedia article) that is chronicled and mentioned in numerous sources. I think this is an erroneous report by the Scientific American article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.128.4.31 (talk) 13:26, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Article chopped in half!
Where did the rest of the article go? There used to be some good detailed information here on the main eruption and one in 1928, as well as several images. Why was all this removed? I found it both interesting and informative.

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Talk:Psychological pricing

= This article needs to be completely changed -- left digit bias vs. psychological pricing = Psychological pricing is one specific cognitive bias, described under the umbrella term "left digit bias"; left digit bias includes mileage, academic grades, etc., but pricing is the most extensively research area, notably in behavioral economics. There is no article on left digit bias. This article should be completely changed.

Left digit bias is a cognitive bias where the difference of a number compared to another closely valued number is irrationally perceived as more distant, due to a difference in the largest, or the leftmost, digit.

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Talk:Helvetii

Whopper
Hello there. I have written a more detailed article on the Helvetii, partly by translating some paragraphs of the German article into English, but mostly by following its structure and general outline. I have also taken the liberty of including the pictures from the same article, for which I would like to ask the original posters their forgiveness.

As far as the contents go, I tried to be as balanced as possible, mostly relying on the most recent monographies on the Helvetii (SPM IV and Furger-Gunti). I have also tried to give as many references to the ancient literary sources as possible, thus allowing everybody to return ad fontes and see for themselves. With a historical people so sparsely attested (mostly in Caesar and Tacitus, really), the original literary sources are very easily summarised.

Please feel free to correct my English where necessary. Where you disagree with the article's content, please post your imput on this discussion page.

Cheers, Trigaranus 17:59, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Minor Tribes
If anyone should feel a desire to write an article on the minor tribes accompanying the Helvetii (Rauraci, Latobrigi, Tulingi), or on the Veragri, Nantuates, Seduni and Ubii, I think it would make sense to set up redirects for the first group and for the second and bundle them together in two articles only (one for the three along the Rhine, one for the four from Valais). That way, one can avoid having them tagged as "stubs" (as there really isn't enough information on all of them to fill seven full-scale articles). Trigaranus 18:29, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

'Tribe' vs. civitas
This is a good article, but I do want to raise one point that I think is overlooked throughout Wikipedia in dealing with the Celtic polities of "Gaul" in the 2nd–1st century BC. Are the Helvetii ever called a "tribe" (Latin tribus) in any ancient source, and if not, do they fit any modern anthropological definition of a tribe? The article implies that the term civitas is a form of political organization imposed on Celtic "tribes" by the Romans; however, Caesar refers to several major Gallic polities (such as the Arverni and Aedui) as civitates while they were still independent allies. Caesar seems to think that civitas is a Latin term that can represent the pre-existing political organization of certain Celtic peoples for his audience, which included both Romans and (according to T.P. Wiseman) Transalpine Gauls. Although Latin terminology might not represent the Celtic concept fully and accurately, Caesar's choice of the word indicates that he thought of being "Helvetian" or "Aeduan" or "Arvernian" as a kind of citizenship, not a matter of kinship-based tribalism. He may have been wrong, but then the anthropological definition would need to apply. Some Celtic ethnonyms probably refer to "tribes" in the modern sense, but the Aedui, for instance, with their complicated election laws and tax-farming are surely a proto-republic or an oligarchy. And I don't see how such a large polity as the Helvetii, with further internal organization into pagi, can be called a tribe. The hierarchical class structure of Celtic society, with a warrior aristocracy and a priestly judicial class (the druids), doesn't sound like a tribe; see Raimund Karl, “*butacos, *uossos, *geistlos, *ambaχtos: Celtic Socio-economic Organisation in the European Iron Age,” Studia Celtica 40 (2006). I wonder whether it might be useful to look for patterns in Caesar's usage of civitates and gentes or other terms. Cynwolfe (talk) 00:30, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

 * It's a question of nomenclature, yes. What we see as a "tribal" society in late La-Tène Gaul was actually quite highly developed politically, with all the offices you mentioned. As far as the sources and the comparative method permit it, it appears that the tribes of the Celtica saw themselves as kinship groups, themselves (which was not fundamentally different from how the Romans saw themselves). But IMHO the citizenship of a state and the imagined kinship of a tribe were not inherently different at the time. Our modern definitions are probably a bit too limited here: - both were fundamentally seen as an expression of consanguinity, and if any, citizenship historically tended to be the more restrictive of the two. Structurally, the vergobretos and the ephoros and the political development behind them were probably not very far apart.

 * Unfortunately, the academic definition of "tribe" is very narrow and does not allow for much liberty. Looking at the four stages of tribal development, most tribes of the Gallia Celtica do not fit into any of these, but rather into a stage 3.5. The same can be said about the political entities of archaic Greece, which we commonly see as city states, mainly due to their higher levels of urbanisation (but cf. Sparta). Now common usage lacks a term for highly organised post-tribal / pre-civilised groups. Caesar used civitas, which is probably the same word he would have used for any Greek polis.

 * Modern writers would try to avoid this equation in much the same way that you suggested, because our notion of civitas (e.g. citizenry, citizenship, statehood, etc.) is widely different from our notion of tribus (e.g. chieftains, primitive economy, parity of tribal members, lots of furs or banana skirts, if you catch my drift). So we use "tribe" for one (thereby equating it somewhat unjustly with groups of hunter gatherers and reindeer herders) and "state" or "city state" for the other (thereby equating it just as unjustly with anything from Uruk to the French Fifth Republic). We call the Gaulic tribes tribes because they fall short of our definition of states although archaeology tends to steadily diminish the structural differences between them and the more thoroughly urbanised south. We could never call anything that can pack all their belongings and move to a different part of Gaul a state, could we?

 * Fact is that in the first three books of BG, Caesar does not use the word tribus. In other words, he does not even use it for the much less "civilised" Germanic tribes he encounters in book 1. To him that term primarily meant his possible constituencies in Rome. The Celts to him were split into civitates, and these into pagi (terms which much later came to mean "central city" and "surrounding country districts" in late imperial Gaul). Neither have I found gens, gentis in book 1 or 2. After those, I actually got a bit bored, but feel free to see for the rest and tell me. He seems to have been quite consistent in his use of civitas. Trigaranus (talk) 15:54, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * An anthropological tribe is far too narrow for the ancients. The Roman classical writers used mainly populi but that term fits only generally into our concept of tribe. A populus was ethnic, geographic and political in nature. Everyone considered that it was a big family descending from a common ancestor. It had a territory that often took its name, and when urbanized, the city took its name. It had a common government based on genetic descent of a leading family. If we think of it as a loose term refering to what we call "tribal society" we shall not go far wrong. It might be best in these matters to use the terms proferred by the sources, as I see the article is trying to do. If you want to fully consider all the ins and outs, write a sequel to "The Ancient City."Dave (talk) 02:40, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * factoid: "The Roman classical writers used mainly populi..." -- where do you have that from? Take, to stay the course, Julius Caesar: out of 46 instances of the word populus in the first book of BG, exactly one refers to the peoples of Gaul. The term populus was mainly and almost exclusively used in combination with Romanus. Trigaranus (talk) 17:25, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Speed
"What Caesar implies to have been a desperate flight without stopping could actually have been an ordered retreat of moderate speed, covering less than 40 km a day.[28] " (from the article)

I don't have access to the source cited for that, but I'd question any source which implies that 25 miles (=40km) per day is moderate speed for an ancient army. That's a relatively high speed for an individual, and thousands of people all moving at once can only slow things down.

http://www.jstor.org/stable/526561?seq=2

The above link is a reference for 25 miles a day as an emergency forced march speed for the legions (during Boudica's revolt) and that is with a well developed road network.

Similarly, Vegetius (in the fourth century) gives 24 miles per day as the forced-march speed for a legion, over roads, and Caesar himself gives 23 for an estimate closer to the time period.

These are Roman miles, which are actually slightly shorter than British miles (but not by that much). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.10.12.91 (talk) 21:14, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

It seems totally implausible that a less organized force, without access to Roman roads, and with non-combatants along could move that fast as a moderate speed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.10.12.91 (talk) 21:12, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Keep a tight ship
The article could use a lot of tightening up in terms of notes and note formats and carefully considered and referenced statements instead of editor opinion. I'm putting this on my snack list.Dave (talk) 02:43, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Staehelin ref
Well, it is not really OK with me to use all-German references. I thought I would try it. I know about enough German to read laboriously with dictionary. With regard to the Tougenoi the first thing I find is no page number. Give me a break. Then I see that the words in the ref are all standard abbreviations from somewhere. WP editors do not write like that, sorry. Note also this ref is not formatted WP style. May I correctly assume that the editor did not access this work but copied it out of some other work? This in itself is troubling. I tried the usual Google and Amazon lookups and there are three or 4 editions of the work, none of which are made available in any way to the public. I think it is safe to say the editor did not use them. Where did he get it? Well it is cited as the basis for an article by Staehelin in Pauly-Wissowa. Why didn't you just cite Pauly-Wissowa? But, you can't get that on the Internet either. Giving the editor the benefit of the doubt, as he is to some degree learned - probably a student - I would say he may have had access to Pauly-Wissova, which you only find in university departments of classics. It has taken me about 2 hours to get thus far. I do not think that is the right approach for the English WP. The problem is, from what I can see, Pauly is the only one that proposes a Teuton origin of Tougen. I don't buy it myself, but then there is no shred of evidence beyond this etymological speculation. German scholarship does love so to speculate, in my opinion. They are a very imaginative people, I think. It seems as though I cannot avoid some reference in German. That isn't what the English reader expects but sometimes it can't be avoided; some of the best wrote only in German. I need to see it. So, I may be re-referencing some of this stuff. I certainly will qualify some of the language, which states or implies that speculations are proven fact.Dave (talk) 12:52, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, excuse me, I just saw the S. for Seite, "Page". So there is a page number. Well then trig did see it. In that case trig, I would say you are over-addicted to scholarly abbreviations. Without a table of abbreviations those things are incomprehensible; there are hundreds, even thousands. The ordinary reader is not a classics scholar. We need to have some mercy on the poor fellow. We used to joke about "Homer and the Mon" in my belated school daze. We don't need any razzle-dazzle here; we're not a secret society as far as I know and if we are I was never informed. We don't need to speak classical abbreviationese.Dave (talk) 13:33, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey there Dave, sorry it took me so long to respond. I'm only just back for the night and will be off to the great outdoors again tomorrow (some kayaking through Ruinaulta, yaay!).
 * Have a great time - don't hang around here to do this stuff. I wouldn't.
 * First off, about that German business: for a tribe from an area which is German-speaking today, you are bound to find most of the literature to be in German. If I had found some good essays on the Helvetii in English, I would have included them. The topic has only been marginally dealt with in English-speaking academia, for all I know (not including military history, which I did not check -- I'm not all too keen on militaria, though the literature on the Gallic Wars must be vast). You'll certainly find some stuff by Cunliffe, though. And yes, not all publications are available online. Any additions are welcome.
 * Sorry, not so. Plenty of material. No excuses, but go take your holiday. I'll see what I can find.
 * Sorry about that "S" for "page" with the Staehelin ref. I don't normally do that, must've overlooked it. The book itself is listed in the bibliography. As for the content: I did have a look at that stuff myself, yes (as far as I remember, at the local university library, though it is not connected to Pauly-Wissowa). Speculation is not something Germans are prone to because "they are a very imaginative people" (kudos for prejudice - although Staehelin was Swiss for all I know); it's just what comes from textual corruption. Not my favourite field, but when you look at the literary transmission of ancient ethnonyms in particular, the first thing you'll notice is the high level of variation and corruption. Depending on further attestations of a name, or on the context, emendation is quite a straightforward matter; in the case of a hapax legomenon it is trickier, of course, and will remain speculation (which does not mean "without merit"). Staehelin was certainly aware of that. So cut the good man some slack.
 * As for the others, do you mean the "Ptol. 2.11.6." stuff? If it's that you are unhappy with, they are the official abbreviations from Pauly-Wissowa ("just cite Pauly-Wissowa"? -- done!) ;-). For all I know, it's the usual way of reffing classical writers (in Europe, at least). Not sure the "Caesar 58 BC" is an improvement. How in the bajeezus did you come up with the "58 BC" by the way? The Commentarii certainly weren't published that year.
 * The name of the ref is of no significance; it is just a software identifier. The 58 is the initial year of the campaign, but as I say, I could have said x2452 or genesisI-39, it doesn't matter. Whatever is convenient. If you don't find it convenient, put your own name in there. Use your personal name if you want or the name of your significant other, or your favorite football team. But, don't forget, you must use that name to autorepeat that citation. Oh - you probably mean the CITEREF. Well, I presumed Caesar started writing his journal in the first year of the campaign. If you want to use some other basis, go right ahead. However, if you want to link to that reference you have to use that info in the "harvnb" template. In case you are not familiar with it, see template:harvnb. One more point, the main point. WP does frown on obscurity. Wherever you got that gobbledeygook, in that book is a table of abbreviations, and that table tells you what the abbreviation means. They are no good without the table, so, if you are minded to use one, trot yourself over to the table, look it up and put the full form in here, please.
 * On a general note, "over-addicted to scholarly abbreviations" -- dunno about that. It was just the natural thing to do. Any academic publication on classical history uses this kind of abbreviations. If you read a book on the topic, it's the thing you see there, so it can't be all that bad and unfamiliar. I just used them because they are the German, French or British academic standard. Feel free to wikify them though. Trigaranus (talk) 18:25, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This isn't any academic publication on classical history, it is a WP article. Our target audience may include classical scholars but the article is not slanted at them. They don't need the article. What good would it do them, except as a topic of amusement at tea time? Our main audience can't get into the hallowed halls to view the academic publications, and yet we don't want to talk to their ignorance, either. We need an intermediary, something that does not overpower, but encourages further interest. I think you may have lost sight of where you actually are and how lucky you are to have gotten there. A library? College? Good Lord man, you ought to be thanking someone up there for the chance. Maybe you could share some of that with populations not so fortunate. In any case, no academic abbreviation, please, unless they are linked to WP articles (many are). One more thing. When you get to the attitude that you can actually say, "Thanks for pointing that out, Dave" then I will know you are getting ready to leave the hallowed halls and be of some use to someone. Thanks.Dave (talk) 19:33, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Scorched earth
No way. Scorched earth is when you destroy your country's resources as you retreat so that the advancing enemy cannot use them. The Russians are past masters of that. That is not what the Helvetii were doing. It was a measure of population control by the leading men, presumably, like Orgetorix, of the nobility. But, I am not going to argue this with you. I or you are not here to argue, we are here to present. In the first paragraph you presented the political doubts concerning the validity of Caesar's journal. Those were not YOUR doubts. You backed it up with a reference, which, although I cannot access the book, looks very substantial. It is a collection of scholarly essays on the same theme. Here you are presenting nothing but your own opinion. We aren't interested in your opinions or interpretations. As you can see, they lead to nothing but endless bickering, which we term Wiki-wars. Whatever you can coherently present and support with sources intelligibly named you will find that I do not oppose, except possibly to make sure you present it in language that is NPOV (neutral point of view). I think on this one you took too much for granted, that you did not have to refine and improve your prose. The fact that you can't see the thousands of people reading it may have mislead you. Anyway, if you have a holiday to go on, go on it. Ciao.Dave (talk) 19:51, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Whoa, slow down pilgrim. I don't remember where I had the "scorched earth" from (probably from the German article as it was when I expanded this one here), and am not sorry to see it gone. Don't worry, except for the slightly too spirited and lecturing talk page entries, you're doing a good job. Should I take umbrage at anything you change, I will let you know (for example that thing about Orgy dying "in camp", which I am about to revert). I have also re-introduced a little more detail in the Orgetorix affair as far as it is of interest from a sociopolitical point of view. Trigaranus (talk) 23:58, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I just saw this. I noticed you have some changes there. I haven't checked them yet. I have to get my Caesar out. I'm mainly concerned with references and formatting, the elimination of editorial conjecture, and the neutralization of non-neutral language. I'll start detailing my reasons. I see you want to add detail. I was hoping to cut it down. But, if you want detail have the detail. I may divide further into sections if it gets too long. By the way, I'm only doing a certain amount this round and then I fear I am going to abandon you again. It's a round-robin list sort of thing. I can't stand to work on one article too long. But, be assured, I'll be back. You seem to shy away from refs. Why? I didn't really feel I was getting into WP until I faced the refs. On with the show. I'm not reverting anything, only looking at what you currently have. I'll put the critique under here. Later.Dave (talk) 01:12, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Raurici, Tulingi, Latovici
Fine on the first paragraph but you left the ref in error. I fixed it. For the tribal names, you got two of these names wrong, one seriously ("Latobrigi"). Now, one has a stub and the other two have nothing. I looked at the stub and I would in NO way trust it. What we need on those is an article for each detailing the ins and outs of their identity and location. Until we do and even if we do I don't think we ought to bring it up here. Not having done the research yet I don't know what the likelihood of their being Germanic or something else is. Considering that the map gives more credible information than you do, I'm taking out your conjectures as to origin as more appropriately covered in the future articles. If no one else does it I suppose I will have to (again). Here is a duplicate of the whole thing just in case:

 * the Raurici (at the Rhine knee), the Latobrigi (perhaps around Lake Constance--They might be attested at Bregenz (CIL 3,13542). Cf. SPM IV, 37.--, the Tulingi (of unknown origin, maybe even a Germanic tribe--Ethnonyms on -ing- are not found among Celtic tribes, but they do occur in the names of Germanic peoples such as the Silingi--,

By the way these are quite interesting insertions, but I think you are still not getting the point. I don't know what your role is in real life, and don't especially care, but your role on WP is NOT that. You are NOT a contributory scholar here, only a WP editor. So, you can't present these things on your own. You need an authority, even if in real life you might conceivably be one, and I hope someday you will be. Just not here. I suggest you immediately go and work up the Tulingi article. When you present the "ing" name idea, however, you need a reference for that. This is probably the toughest thing for a college man to accept. Your authority is worthless here. You can't tell people how it is, only how someone else says it is. Them's the rules, like it or not. With that in mind, let's now go forward with this until I get the urge to move on, then you may do as you like - until I get back.Dave (talk) 01:36, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Bob, if you used a bit more of your energy reading instead of talking down to other contributors, it would be greatly appreciated. I mean, I would take any kind of criticism from dab because I know the guy is a genius and his edits are usually top notch, but I guess that's a matter of my own personal taste. As for the Latobrigi-Latovici, the first version is used in two out of three instances in BG and is the one the name is traditionally emended to in the other instance, where the original has Latovici / Latobici depending on the MS; Latovici is a variant sometimes, but not universally, used in modern editions. They are usually kept apart from the Latovici of Slovenia, though the issue is not all that clear. I'll try and have a look at the articles. BTW: I've left you a question on "Vindos" under Talk:Boii: where is that alleged deity from? It's not attested as a theonym in any inscriptions I would know of. Trigaranus (talk) 18:28, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

History added by Prehistoric pile dwellings around Zürichsee etc
Hi, added a section referring to Turicum (Zürich) and the Prehistoric pile dwellings around Zürichsee, namely Alpenquai, Grosser Hafner and Kleiner Hafner in Zürich. Not my 'core task' within WN-WP, therefore thanks for taking notice and use of the addition as you prefer, p.e. by adding also the Prehistoric lake crossing and trade rooute, and some other related wikis started. Kindly regards, Roland zh (talk) 21:25, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

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