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Talk:Woolston Park

 * Again, nothing wrong w/Woolston I'm sure, but not encyclopedic . Gwimpey 21:40, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'm probably in the minority, but my vision of Wikipedia includes things of local interest at some point down the road. Maybe one day it will be a truly comprehensive encyclopedia, where not only things of global and national interest, but also local interest (such as the history of landmarks, local parks, businesses, street names, etc.) will be included. Everyone looking for any encyclopedic information will come here, no matter how local their interest happens to be. That's perhaps many years down the road, when server space is less of a problem, but as it is I think pages like this are too small and few between to worry about deleting. -- Matty j 21:53, May 5, 2004 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm fairly new to Wikipedia, so I'll go w/the flow. Gwimpey 08:25, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Harmless.  TB 22:20, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, agree with Matty. Let's not waste energy fighting battles we don't need to. --bodnotbod 22:22, May 5, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, don't see a problem with it at all. Wikipedia is not paper! -- Graham  :) | Talk 22:56, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. agree with Matty -- Chris 73 | Talk 23:12, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Everyking 23:44, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. RickK 02:44, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Comment: As with high schools, I think I see a definite shift here towards inclusion. Watching with interest. Andrewa 18:08, 6 May 2004 (UTC)

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Talk:Aslan Maskhadov

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"After helping to end the Lithuanian nationalist movement in 1991, Maskhadov became the Chief of Staff for the Chechen army."

Lithuanian nationalist movement was not forced to "end". It ended after Lithuania become independed state. Besides, seems like Maskhadov was not involved in 1991 events, although he served at the time in Lithuania. -

Nor this is quite accurate:

"Maskhadov's attempts to stifle Wahhabism and other fundamentalist Muslim groups, coupled with his inability to keep Chechens from trying to drive Russians out of neighboring Dagestan, made him appear incompetent and incapable of controlling his country."

It's documented that Russian prepared in advance for the invasion (see the link, and 1999 messages there) LIST, and also there are grounds to assume that Basayev's people were just lured to action in order to justify the invasion that developed into open warfare, called the Chechen war two.

Also there are grounds to assume that Maskhadov is pretty well controlling his country in spite of alleged 80 000 or even 300 000 foreign troops in its territory. --BIR 11:29, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Birth year?
From the article: "Aslan Alivitch Maskhadov (September 21, 1951 - March 8, 2005) was a ... Early life - Maskhadov was born in Kazakhstan in 1957 ..."

Which one is correct year? I tried various news reports of his death but none I read mentioned his birth year. —mikko (speak) 17:55, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * My mistake. It's definitely 1951 (see http://www.chechnya-mfa.info/bio/president.htm ). -- ChrisO 18:09, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"Middle" name
His middle name, Алиевич in Russian, is pronounced "Aliyevi(t)ch", not "Alivitch" --193.2.136.41 05:46, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks, I've corrected that. -- ChrisO 08:32, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Amir Basayev
Basayev and Mashhadov did not agree on many things but Mr. basayev would never make or allow an attemt on Mr. Mashhadovs' life to take place.

AS WELL YOU STATE AS A FACT THAT MR. BASAYEV WAS REPONSIBLE FOR THE APARTMENT BOMBINGS.ARE YOU A INTEL AGENT OR JUST REPEATING putins' PROPAGANDA.

One such as yourself is not qualified to speak Mr. Mashadovs' name let alone write an article about him.

FACTS NOT PROPAGANDA. FREE YOUR MIND.

Real information on the Chechen Resistance
KAVKAZCENTER.COM

Maskhadov was also of the Naqshbandi Sufi Order. Sometime between the two wars, he was initiated into the order. This might have added to some of the friction with Basayev's more hardline followers.

Reported death?
"Reportedly killed"? This should be edited because there is no proof to the contrary. Neither the Russian nor the separatists sides ever attempted to deny that Maskhadov was killed. Kazak 02:16, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

"State-controlled" media
The Russian media is not controlled by the government, but is largely owned by allies of the government. There is a difference. In the United States, FOX is accused by many of heavy pro-Republican bias, but nobody goes around calling it "state-controlled". Please avoid such non-NPOV refrences in the future. Kazak 02:22, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

 * No, it's state-controlled. Like in the Soviet times. There's still some 'free' press and radio (notably Ekho Moskvy), though.

Vilnius
The source link does not exist and although there are other mentionings online that Maskhadov took part in the mentioned events, none of them are based on real documents; it was so that somebody decided that he must have taken part in the events just because he served at Vilnius at the time and thus the hoax started - it continues to be repeated in many biographies, including pro-Maskhadov ones. A version of this hoax is an urban legend which states that Maskhadov got immidietly promoted in rank from captain to colonel (or general) for the participation in the events; in addition to these hoaxes there as well exists another hoax which claims that Maskhadov was ordered to participate in the events but refused to do so (usually this hoax is being said by the supporters of Maskhadov, while the beforementioned one - by people who do not support Maskhadov). Investigations were done by journalists several times but neither hoax was confirmed anyhow, so it turns out that Maskhadov neither received orders to participate in the events nor did he participate in them; after all, he was in rockets and artillery section and not all Soviet troops partitioned in Vilnius took part in the events. I can give links to the articles about such investingations, if you understand Lithuanian they will be useful. 193.219.141.198 09:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

 * The source worked for me a few hours ago, but not now. Anyway, what you said is quite believable, so I will left it as is. If you can dig the Lithuanian references it would be great. We could put something like: Some sources [...] claim that Alan Maskhadov ..., but investigation by Lithuanian journalists [...] have shown that.... It would be of much more value than just blanking the text. I, personally, can not read Lithuanian, but somebody could and at anyway the Babelfish could help to get the general meaning. abakharev 13:07, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Ok the link worked for me in a few minutes after the first failure. It is a biography of Maskhadov, appear to be in neutral language. There is only one phrase about the Vilnius and it is kind of ambiguous:
 * Maskhadov commanded a platoon in 1972-78. He next was a battery commander and chief of staff of a battalion in the Far East. In 1981-86 he served in Szeged, Hungary, with the Southern Group of Troops and then from 1986 in the Baltic Military District, first as commander of a self-propelled artillery regiment and from the autumn of 1990 as chief of staff of missile and artillery forces of the Vilnius, Lithuania, garrison and deputy commander of the 7th division. In January 1991 Aslan took part in the "Vilnius events" (the seizure of the television tower by Soviet troops). abakharev 13:12, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Dear 193.219.141.198, show sources supporting your conclusion or stop reverting. And please register (as I have already advised you on your temporary user page). Moonshiner 21:54, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I have seen your given sources as I have of course searched the internet before reverting, but all sources are similar biogaraphies that are most likely copied from each other; no source explains it better, while here I give links to investigative articles about the topic and as well other sources which support other hoax (that Maskhadov supposedly refused the orders given to him and that Maskhadov: http://www.veidas.lt/lt/leidinys.full/423aac5d1a14b.2?veidas=58a9ee0d993c7b1 - this article cites Maskhadov's own words which he said in the interview for Moskovskiye Novosti.

excerpt: (...)paklaustas, ar jam nėra sunku bendrauti su Rusijos karininkais, jis sakė: "Man regis, jie dabar atsidūrę tokioje pat padėtyje, kokioje buvau aš tarnaudamas Vilniuje. Juk man tuomet irgi kalė į galvą: raudonoji armija nenugalima, kova vyksta dėl teisaus reikalo ir panašiai. Todėl kai prasidėjo įvykiai Pabaltijyje, aš nesupratau, kas vyksta: ko gi, maniau aš, jie nenori gyventi Sovietų Sąjungoje? Man gėda, kad aš buvau Vilniuje. Nors Sausio 13-osios įvykiuose aš nedalyvavau, man gėda dėl mano tuometinio požiūrio į juos. Jeigu Rusijos kariškiai, šiuo metu esantys Čečėnijoje, savo kailiu patirtų, kaip tai sunku – matyti, kai naikinama tavo tauta, – jie elgtųsi visiškai kitaip."

translation: When asked if it is not hard for him to talk with the Russian officers now he said: "It seems they are now in such a situation in which I was when I served in Vilnius. Back then it was said to me as well: the Red Army is undefeatable, the fight is for the right cause and such. Thus when the events in the Baltics started I did not understood what is going on: why, I thought, they does not want to live in the Soviet Union? I am ashamed that I was in Vilnius. Although I haven't taken part in the events of January 13th I am ashamed because of the view towards them I held back then. If the Russian soldiers who are now in Chechnya, would feel themselves how hard it is to see how your nation is being destroyed, they would act differently". (bolding done by me)

As you see, he was ashamed of his views rather than his participation; and these biographies mixed it. Translate with Babel if you don't believe or maybe you will find the original Russian quote somewhere as it was published.

There were more investigations of the said hoax here, and I am giving another example of articles mentioning other viewpoints: http://www.xxiamzius.lt/archyvas/xxiamzius/20030131/aktu.html (see chapter "Įtartinas bruzdesys") - this article denounces the hoax and explains that Maskhadov was stationed in Vilnius, but did not took part, while general Uskhopchik led the attack.

I hope this is enough. As for registering, I am not really active in Wikipedia, this is a university IP address, many people had edited Wikipedia from it and most of contributions are not mine. 193.219.141.198 09:51, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Edit
I deleted the section about Bush not naming Maskhadov, because it is not pertinent or sourced. Epsoul 00:11, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

New picture
If we want a better fair-use picture of him as he looked not long before his death, there's one at the end of the link. --Estrellador* 20:26, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Name
Anonims add different complicated Arabic-sounded names for Maskhadov. I think this should be sourced, otherwise it is an original research. Of particular concern for me is the part "Ibn Alievich". The -ich suffix is a Russian form for patronimic it means son of Ali. The Arabic Ibn means exactly the same. I guess he might be either "Ibn Ali" or "Alievich" but Ibn Alievich is simply wrong. I also not sure that the Arabic names are appropriate for a Chechen leader (Russian names are somehow appropriate since most of his life he was a Russian military officer). Alex Bakharev 05:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree. I see little point in adding all the formal names unless they really are commonly used and can be cited in some official text (not just some random forum).—Perceval 05:03, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, same problem with Doku Umarov.—Perceval 05:06, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

All-European action for giving out Maskhadov's body to his relatives for burial
http://eng.kavkaz.memo.ru/newstext/engnews/id/1188808.html --84.234.60.154 10:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Maskhadov and Basayev
Does anyone know when exactly that picture of Aslan and Shamil was taken? I'm wondering if it was before or after the Beslan massacre. Aslan often said that he was against the killing of innocent life and that Shamil should be put to trial for Beslan, however it doesn't seem like there's any tension between the two of them if that picture was taken after Beslan.

 * I have no idea about the exact date. The picture is completely unsourced. I also found this and this undated photos, and also this which I believe is from the first war. --HanzoHattori (talk) 01:00, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Well it's quite easy to determine. On Kavkazcenter it said the picture was during the holy month of Ramadan of 2004. However, I'm not sure if the date of Ramadan is the same in every country.77.250.171.134 (talk) 22:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

 * KC isn't exactly what I'd call a perfect source. --HanzoHattori (talk) 23:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * KC doesnt even say from when that picture is, nm - PietervHuis (talk) 16:20, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Succession box
I'd like to keep it that way. One might want to see the actual succession of Heads of State in Chechnya and not only guerilla leaders. Granted, it's a bit heavy, but there is a succession line between Mashkadov and Akhmad Kadyrov (as actual, ruling presidents), not only with Abdul-Halim Sadulayev (as clandestine separatist leader). Wedineinheck (talk) 18:39, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Kadyrov did not succeed maskhadov. He was already the "official" leader of Chechnya before Maskhadov got killed. Maskhadov remained the president in exile. those are not to be confused. Also Kadyrov wasnt fairly elected. There's really no need for this, the infobox at the end of the page already has the information you want. - PietervHuis (talk) 18:44, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I tend to think that it would be useful. The logic in that succession box is that Kadyrov succeeded Maskhadov as the actual, presidential ruler of Chechnya (granted, he wasn't fairly elected, but that is another matter), while Maskhadov, though still alive and claiming to be still president, was reduced to being a clandestine guerilla leader. Hence, it helps readers to figure out who actually ruled Chechnya. (IMHO, infoboxes at the end of the pages are not visible enough)Wedineinheck (talk) 19:11, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Kadyrov became the president of the Chechen Republic. Abdul-Halim Sadulayev became the succesor of Maskhadov of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria. You're not making things any more clear, instead it only adds confusion and is very unusual. - PietervHuis (talk) 19:23, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

What I am trying to do is to help navigate between the various Chechen heads of state. Granted, it may appear confusing at first glance (as the situation itself is convoluted) but it can also help readers to see a line of succession between who actually ruled the country (or the province of Russia, depending on the viewpoint). The problem is that after 1999, Mashkadov was not in power any more and was de facto deposed, so the succession box has to take notice of this. I do not aim to give credit to Kadyrov, but one cannot consider Sadulayev as Mashkadov's only successor, as he was only a guerilla leader. Whether one likes Kadyrov or not (personnally, I don't), one can't deny that he was Chechnya's formal ruler, while Mashkadov was on the run. Please take note that the infobox makes it clear that Kadyrov did succeed Mashkadov as head of state, but did not bear the same title. One may compare this to President Mohammed Daoud Khan, who succeeded King Mohammed Zahir Shah as head of state, though not in the same capacity. Wedineinheck (talk) 20:10, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

No, he's listed as the President of Ichkeria. The presidents you're talking about are the President of the Chechen Republic. Sadulayev was factually the succesor of Maskhadov, and took on the position as President of Ichkeria. There's really no need or "logic" to add anything related to Kadyrov in the infobox. It already says that the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria was in exile since 2000. It's only making the infoboxes appear more chaotic. Something like that should belong in the text of the page, not the infobox. - PietervHuis (talk) 20:29, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The infobox was fine the way it was. It clearly says President of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria. In this capacity he was succeeded by Sadulayev so there is no need to add all sorts of detailed information in the infobox, that's not what it's for. Also, for someone who pretends to edit with the sole intention of making things clear I find your choice of words rather odd. Calling Kadyrov 'Chechnya's first elected president' and Maskhadov and Sadulayev 'clandestine' presidents suggests other intentions. Please refrain from editing again untill we have reached a consensus on this matter in this discussion.ForrestSjap (talk) 21:06, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, this is a rather complex issue : Kadyrov was indeed elected (though unfairly) and he did succeed Maskhadov as "President of Chechnya" (in the broadest sense of the expression), so he can be considered to be his successor, even in a different capacity. It is fair to consider that Maskhadov's tenure ended in 1999 with the second russian invasion, when he was forced to go into hiding. Regardless of one's opinion, this is comparable to Saddam Hussein, who claimed that he still was President of Irak at the time of his trial (while his tenure effectively ended in 2003, much like Maskhadov's ended in 1999). Sadulayev was a clandestine, guerilla leader, during all of his "tenure", so I think listing him as "President of Chechnya" is rather disingenuous, or at least non-neutral, as he never formally ruled the country. Same thing for Doku Umarov. IMHO, if we are to remain neutral, we have to aknowledge the complexity of the situation. Wedineinheck (talk) 08:51, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It doesn't say Maskhadov and Sadulayev were "President of Chechnya". It says they were President of Ichkeria. It was impossible for Kadyrov to have succeeded Maskhadov, since Kadyrov was appointed president before Maskhadov's death. During the time of armed conflict, especially the first period, it's impossible to say who had most authority over Chechnya. Your comparison Maskhadov-Hussein is a bit insulting, Hussein wasn't elected president and was a dictator. Eventually he was captured so it was impossible for him to challenge Iraqi politics. During his hiding he wasn't considered president of Iraq anymore, but still President of the Ba'aat party, just like how Maskhadov remained president of Ichkeria.
 * Also Sadulayev wasnt a "clandestine" leader, if I'm correct Maskhadov had said himself that if he were to die he'd want Sadulayev to take over his position as President of Ichkeria. - PietervHuis (talk) 15:23, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, the problem is that Umarov, Sadulayev, Maskhadov and Kadyrov are all under the "Presidents of Chechnya" category. Given the fact that Sadulayev was always a clandestine leader (and by "clandestine", I mean that he was a guerilla leader, always on the run from Russian or official Chechen forces, and never de facto ruled the country), that seems a bit far-fetched (or POV). The fact is that Maskhadov was de facto deposed after the second russian invasion (more than five years before his death), so even if he still claimed to be President of Chechnya, he was not in power anymore : that is the similarity with Saddam Hussein (who was himself on the run for several months before his capture and still claimed to be President). So, if we follow the same logic, Saddam Hussein should still be listed as President of Iraq until the day of his death, as he was deposed by an armed invasion, much like Maskhadov (the similarities between the two ending there). Even though Maskhadov claimed to be still President and was arguably legitimate, it can be said that his tenure effectively ended in 1999. Wedineinheck (talk) 16:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

He was the PRESIDENT IN EXILE. Kadyrov was also on the run from rebels, why else was he assasinated? Maskhadov indeed wasnt president of chechnya anymore, but still president of ichkeria, the government in exile since the outbreak of the war. Thats all it states, nothing more, nothing less. There's nothing tricky or confusing about that. - PietervHuis (talk) 17:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, I understand the distinction, of course. The only problem would be to find a line of succession between the people who actually ruled Chechnya. Would you object on a line stating that he was de facto deposed and in exile after october 1999 ?Wedineinheck (talk) 20:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes because Russia wasn't even legally allowed to depose Maskhadov from his position following the Khasav-Yurt Accord. There's no specific date in which his presidency turned into "exile", it might have been 2000, 2001 or 2002 or whatever, and after 1999 there wasnt even another president apointed. If it makes you feel better, below on the page above the conflict box it says he was president of the unrecognised chechen republic of ichkeria. - PietervHuis (talk) 20:36, 18 February 2008 (UTC) Also nobody is controlling chechnya completely atm. The rebels still control the mountains (probably forever). - PietervHuis (talk) 21:15, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd admit that the situation is somewhat convoluted, but regardless of the legality of Russia's actions, he cannot be considered to have still been in power after the second invasion. Wedineinheck (talk) 21:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Since he did not leave Chechnya, he was hardly a president "in exile". He was  deposed by Russian military intervention like Saddam Hussein by US invasion. One possible view is that Chechen Republic of Ichkeria does not exist any more. It means that the line of successions was broken, and Saydullev was not his successor. Of course, the separatists and Zakayev (who is indeed in "exile") claim otherwise. So, this is something debatable.Biophys (talk) 01:28, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, the problem seems to be that some users apparently consider this succession box as related to the "legitimate" Chechen President, as opposed to the "actual, recognized" one. Given the fact that there are two parallel ways of considering the issue, I don't know if we can find a consensus. Wedineinheck (talk) 10:46, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well if you simply go to the Chechnya page, it says Kadyrov is president, not Umarov ;) - PietervHuis (talk) 13:09, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That is logical, whatever one thinks of Kadyrov. However, I still think it is a pity that the infobox does not help follow the chronology of the Chechen war by stating the approximative date of Mashkadov's status change (from actual President to guerilla leader). Also, I think listing Umarov and Sadulayev under the category "President of Chechnya" is POV, since, de facto and regardless of what one thinks of their legitimacy, they are not : they should be listed under "warlord" or "separatist leaders" (I don't know if the latter category exists, but there must be an equivalent).Wedineinheck (talk) 09:22, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Category:Russian Sufis
Shouldn't Category:Chechen Sufis be better?

I also have problems to classify many many people. For example, Basayev was often said to be a Sufi, and then people were saying he's a "Wahhabi". I guess I'd be sure only of Maskhadov and the Kadyrovs... despite the republic being supposedly so-Sufi. --84.234.60.154 (talk) 16:02, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Same with "Russian Islamists", which I used for Vakha Arsanov (no infobox). Oh, there is also no category "Vice Presidents of Chechnya". --84.234.60.154 (talk) 20:52, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Did an artiucle on Vakha Arsanov
1998 declaratiion of war on the USA and all that. --84.234.60.154 (talk) 11:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Did Maskhadov ever appoint a new vice president? - PietervHuis (talk) 11:36, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Wrong reference about
There's a note about "half a million people internally displaced" (number 4, at the moment i'm writing) that refers to the Litvininko killing. Is there a way to find out what was the correct reference? --Marcozec (talk) 15:46, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

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__NOINDEX__ I am trying to find a place for hardware wiki. Copy of my proposition and reasons follows:

I'm not sure if this would be a good place, but it's closest I got so far. What I have been thinking about is the ever-repeated question of "will work or be worth anything" that nags especially non-windos people. It would be nice to have a large-ish wiki that has a net of descriptions of manufacturers, devices, drivers and standards & interfaces and descriptions and relations where possible.

Particularly sought-after is information like "Is the Foocorp Idlemaster 2000 an usb storage device that will work everywhere or a proprietary protocol doorstop whose support will be buried in half-a year when the company goes under and/or I update my OS?" or "Will this phone eat Hayes/AT over IR or EIA-[24]32? OBEX?" etc. Likewise for things that appear as serial devices, support changer commands etc.

Manufacturers are obscenely bad at producing this information and with the customer base they have, they don't have to. There is also little incentive for them to support aging hardware.

As for the wiki, for example under usb-storage, you would have a list of devices that appear as usb storage devices. It might have a link to Linux usb-storage.o and equivalent drivers on other systems. Each would have a list of devices that have been confirmed to work.

This could also contain parts lists for "special" manufacturers, eg Sun or IBM part numbers, what they are, what they fit in and what drivers or os versions they work with etc. Many user groups (like TUHS) might also be interested in getting something more than scattered personal repositories for their objects of interest.

The wiki could be as coherent or fragmented, as large or focused as people manage to make it. Databases are just too heavy and often specialized.

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 * Delete: Steven Isserlis is a remarkable cellist- vanity.
 * Copyvio. The race is on, what will this page be nuked for first?  Bets anyone? - TB 22:26, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Got marked for vfD first, but now it's in Copyvio's hands, as it should be: . *cough*signyourentries,bodnotbod*cough* --Ben Brockert 22:30, May 5, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Alcarillo 02:16, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
 * I think I'd be willing to accept that copyvio bet. Deeeelete. - Lucky 6.9 06:34, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Steven_Isserlis/Temp done. Markalexander100 08:49, 10 May 2004 (UTC)

1959 or 1958
He was born in London in 1958, not 1959, according to the Tate.

http://www.tate.org.uk/40artists40days/steve_isserlis.html

The CBE appears to be genuine.

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His grandfather was one of 12 musicians allowed to leave Russia in the first world war and he very returned.
 * That last phrase does not make sense? --jmb 11:38, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

...??? O_O
Does he really use gut strings on his Cello? That seems weird... Moocowsrule (talk) 01:16, 5 November 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule

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Talk:Pursuivant

is it really a stub? I mean, there's not much more to say! Everything that applies to herald applies to pursuivant, only less so. Doops 00:00, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

The article Earl of Erroll says that that nobleman is one of three who are entitled to private pursuivants. Is there really a third, perhaps in some peerage other than that of Scotland? J S Ayer 03:42, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * fixed. Doops | talk 04:10, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Does anyone know what a private pursuivant-at-arms does? J S Ayer 02:56, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

 * In the middle ages, they could serve as emissaries among the great nobles. Plus they did heraldic and geneological research for their bosses. Combining those two jobs, probably helped arrange marriages. Nowdays I suspect it's mostly honorary. See here for an article about this new Finlaggan guy. Doops | talk 03:41, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

As the title of 'Rouge Dragon Pursuivant of Arms in Ordinary' is named for the red dragon of Wales, shouldn't a new heading of 'Welsh Pursuivants of Arms in Ordinary' be added to this page and this link placed under it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.6.52.193 (talk) 04:17, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Another meaning : pursuivants were minor officials in Elizabethan England who hunted and captured Catholic priests and their protectors for prosecution. GerixAu (talk) 08:47, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Athlone Pursuivant
In Ireland, there were heraldic officers named for each of the 4 provinces. In addition to the Ulster King of Arms (Ulster) there existed the Cork Herald (Munster), the Dublin Herald (Leinster) and the Athlone Pursuivant (Connacht). The latter office was founded in 1552. All became heraldic officers of the Order of St. Patrick. I have now created a page for the Athlone Pursuivant and added it here Peter Clarke  11:38, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Glass ceiling

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Maybe some critical section for all this feminist crap? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.153.87.247 (talk) 09:21, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

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Cross-cultural context
Few women tend to reach positions in upper echelon and organizations largely are still almost exclusively lead by men. Studies have shown that the glass ceiling still exists in varying levels in different nations and regions across the world. The stereotypes of women as emotional and sensitive could be seen as key characteristics as to why women struggle to break the glass ceiling. It is clear that even though societies differ from one another by culture, beliefs and norms, they hold similar expectations of women and their role in the society. These female stereotypes are often reinforced in societies that have traditional expectations of women. The stereotypes and perceptions of women are changing slowly across the world, which also reduces gender segregation in organizations.

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“While women have historically dominated the teaching profession, men tend to take higher positions in school systems such as deans or principals.[citation needed]“ in the glass ceiling section lacks citation and should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:D591:5F10:391B:C490:BA71:E29C (talk) 22:19, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

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Katherine Anne Porter

Katherine Anne Porter (May 15, 1890 – September 18, 1980) was an American journalist, essayist, short story writer, novelist, poet and political activist. Her 1962 novel Ship of Fools was the best-selling novel in America that year, but her short stories received much more critical acclaim. In 1966 she was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction and the U.S. National Book Award for The Collected Stories of Katherine Anne Porter.

Early life
Katherine Anne Porter was born in Indian Creek, Texas, as Callie Russell Porter to Harrison Boone Porter and Mary Alice (Jones) Porter. Although her father claimed maternal descent from American frontiersman Daniel Boone, Porter herself altered this alleged descent to be from Boone's brother Jonathan as "the record of his descendants was obscure, so that no-one could contradict her." This relationship was unfounded. Porter was enthusiastic about her own genealogy and family history, and spent years constructing a "quasi-official" version of her ancestry alleging descent from a companion of William the Conqueror, although "most of the genealogical connections she boasted did not exist." The writer O. Henry (William Sydney Porter) was claimed as her father's second cousin, but later research established that "except the accident of her name", there was no connection. Despite her focus on her family history, Porter failed to identify her relationship to Lyndon B. Johnson, 36th President of the United States, his grandmother being the sister of Porter's uncle-by-marriage. The rest of Porter's family did not take her genealogical embellishments seriously, considering them to be part of her character as an "accomplished raconteur".

In 1892, when Porter was two years old, her mother died two months after giving birth. Porter's father took his four surviving children (an older brother had died in infancy) to live with his mother, Catherine Ann Porter, in Kyle, Texas. The depth of her grandmother's influence can be inferred from Porter's later adoption of her name. Her grandmother died while taking eleven-year-old Callie to visit relatives in Marfa, Texas.

After her grandmother's death, the family lived in several towns in Texas and Louisiana, staying with relatives or living in rented rooms. She was enrolled in free schools wherever the family was living, and for a year in 1904 she attended the Thomas School, a private Methodist school in San Antonio, Texas. This was her only formal education beyond grammar school.

Young adulthood and illness
In 1906, at age sixteen, Porter left home and married John Henry Koontz in Lufkin, Texas. She subsequently converted to his religion, Roman Catholicism. Koontz, the son of a wealthy Texas ranching family, was physically abusive; once while drunk, he threw her down the stairs, breaking her ankle. They divorced officially in 1915.

In 1914 she escaped to Chicago, where she worked briefly as an extra in movies. She then returned to Texas and worked the small-town entertainment circuit as an actress and singer. In 1915, she asked that her name be changed to Katherine Anne Porter as part of her divorce decree.

Also in 1915, she was diagnosed with tuberculosis and spent the following two years in sanatoria, where she decided to become a writer. It was discovered during that time, however, that she had bronchitis, not TB. In 1917, she began writing for the Fort Worth Critic, critiquing dramas and writing society gossip. Prior to 1918 Porter was married to, then subsequently divorced from, T. Otto Taskett then Carl Clinton von Pless. In 1918, she wrote for the Rocky Mountain News in Denver, Colorado. While there, she almost died during the 1918 flu pandemic. When she was discharged from the hospital months later, she was frail and completely bald. When her hair finally grew back, it was white and remained that color for the rest of her life. Her experience was reflected in her trilogy of short novels, Pale Horse, Pale Rider (1939), for which she received the first annual gold medal for literature in 1940 from the Society of Libraries of New York University.

New York and Mexico: First literary works
In 1919, Porter moved to Greenwich Village in New York City and made her living ghost writing, writing children's stories and doing publicity work for a motion picture company. The year in New York City had a politically radicalizing effect on her; and in 1920, she went to work for a magazine publisher in Mexico, where she became acquainted with members of the Mexican leftist movement, including Diego Rivera. Eventually, however, Porter became disillusioned with the revolutionary movement and its leaders. In the 1920s she also became intensely critical of religion, and remained so until the last decade of her life, when she again embraced the Roman Catholic Church.

Between 1920 and 1930, Porter traveled back and forth between Mexico and New York City and began publishing short stories and essays. Her first published story was "María Concepción" in The Century Magazine. (In his 1960s novel Providence Island, Calder Willingham had the character Jim fantasize a perfect lover and he called her Maria Concepcion Diaz.) In 1930, she published her first short-story collection, Flowering Judas and Other Stories. An expanded edition of this collection was published in 1935 and received such critical acclaim that it alone virtually assured her place in American literature.

In 1924, Porter had an affair with Francisco Aguilera which resulted in pregnancy. In December of that year, Porter gave birth to a stillborn son. Some biographers suggest that Porter suffered several miscarriages and had an abortion. During the summer of 1926, Porter visited Connecticut with other writers and artists including Josephine Herbst, John Herrmann, and Ernest Stock, an English painter. After contracting gonorrhea from Stock, Porter had a hysterectomy in 1927, ending her hopes of ever having a child. Yet Porter's letters to her lovers suggest that she still intimated her menstruation after this alleged hysterectomy. She once confided to a friend that "I have lost children in all the ways one can."

Acclaimed writing career and teaching
During the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s, Porter enjoyed a prominent reputation as one of America's most distinguished writers, but her limited output and equally-limited sales had her living on grants and advances for most of the era.

During the 1930s, she spent several years in Europe during which she continued to publish short stories. She married Eugene Pressly, a writer, in 1930. In 1938, upon returning from Europe, she divorced Pressly and married Albert Russel Erskine, Jr., a graduate student. He reportedly divorced her in 1942, after discovering her real age and that she was 20 years his senior.

Porter became an elected member of the National Institute of Arts and Letters in 1943, and was a writer-in-residence at several colleges and universities, including the University of Chicago, the University of Michigan, and the University of Virginia.

Between 1948 and 1958, she taught at Stanford University, the University of Michigan, Washington and Lee University, and the University of Texas, where her unconventional manner of teaching made her popular with students. In 1959 the Ford Foundation granted Porter $26,000 over two years. Three of Porter's stories were adapted into radio dramas on the program NBC University Theatre. "Noon Wine" was made into an hour drama in early 1948, and two years later "Flowering Judas" and "Pale Horse, Pale Rider" each was produced in half-hour dramas on an episode of the hour-long program. Porter herself made two appearances on the radio series giving critical commentary on works by Rebecca West and Virginia Woolf. In the 1950s and 1960s she occasionally appeared on television in programs discussing literature.

Porter published her only novel, Ship of Fools, in 1962; it was based on her reminiscences of a 1931 ocean cruise she had taken from Vera Cruz, Mexico, to Germany. The novel's success finally gave her financial security (she reportedly sold the film rights for Ship of Fools for $500,000). Producer David O. Selznick was after the film rights; but United Artists, who owned the property, demanded $400,000. The novel was adapted for film by Abby Mann; producer and director Stanley Kramer featured Vivien Leigh in her final film performance.

Despite Porter's claim that after the publication of Ship of Fools she would not win any more prizes in America, in 1966 she was awarded the Pulitzer Prize and the U.S. National Book Award for The Collected Stories of Katherine Anne Porter. That year she was also appointed to the American Academy of Arts and Letters. She was nominated for the Nobel Prize in Literature five times from 1964 until 1968.

In 1966, Porter donated her literary papers to the University of Maryland. On Porter's 78th birthday, the Katherine Anne Porter Room was opened in McKeldin Library (later moved to Hornbake Library) at the University of Maryland to house many books from Porter's personal library and other items belonging to her.

In 1977, she published The Never-Ending Wrong, an account of the notorious trial and execution of Sacco and Vanzetti, which she had protested 50 years earlier.

Death
Katherine Anne Porter had a severe stroke in 1977. After being examined by psychiatrists, Porter was deemed incompetent, and the court appointed her nephew Paul Porter as her guardian. Porter died in Silver Spring, Maryland, on September 18, 1980, at the age of 90, and her ashes were buried next to her mother at Indian Creek Cemetery in Texas. In 1990, Recorded Texas Historic Landmark number 2905 was placed in Brown County, Texas, to honor the life and career of Porter.

Awards and honors

 * 1962 – Emerson-Thoreau Medal
 * 1966 – Pulitzer Prize for Fiction for The Collected Stories (1965)
 * 1966 – National Book Award for The Collected Stories (1965)
 * 1967 – Gold Medal Award for Fiction from the American Academy of Arts and Letters
 * Five nominations for the Nobel Prize in Literature (1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968)
 * 2006 – Porter was featured on a |United States postage stamp issued May 15, 2006 with a value of 39¢. She was the 22nd person featured in the Literary Arts commemorative stamp series.

Short story collections

 * Flowering Judas (Harcourt, Brace: 1930). Includes eight of Porter's earliest short stories.
 * Flowering Judas and Other Stories (Harcourt, Brace: 1935). Includes the contents of the earlier edition as well as four additional stories.
 * Pale Horse, Pale Rider: Three Short Novels (Harcourt, Brace: 1939). Includes the three stories Porter referred to as short novels: "Old Mortality", "Noon Wine" (American radio, 1948; American TV, 1966; American TV, 1985), and "Pale Horse, Pale Rider" (American radio, 1950; Canadian TV, 1963 & British TV, 1964).
 * The Leaning Tower and Other Stories (Harcourt, Brace: 1944). Includes nine of Porter's short stories.
 * The Old Order: Stories of the South (Harcourt, Brace: 1955). Includes ten of Porter's previously published short stories, all of which take place in the American South.
 * The Collected Stories of Katherine Anne Porter (Harcourt, Brace: 1964). Includes all twenty-six of Porter's previously published short stories, including the three she preferred to call short novels, as well as four additional stories.

Novel

 * Ship of Fools, (Little, Brown, & Co.: 1962; (American film, 1965).

Nonfiction

 * The Days Before (Harcourt, Brace: 1952). Includes many of Porter's book reviews, critical essays, memoirs, etc.
 * The Collected Essays and Occasional Writings of Katherine Anne Porter (Delacorte: 1970).

Posthumous publications

 * Letters of Katherine Anne Porter (Atlantic Monthly Press: 1990), edited by Isabel Bayley. Includes portions of over 250 letters Porter wrote to over sixty correspondents between 1930 and 1966.
 * "This Strange, Old World" and Other Book Reviews Written by Katherine Anne Porter (University of Georgia Press, 1991), edited by Darlene Harbour Unrue. Includes almost 50 of the book reviews Porter published in various periodicals during her lifetime.
 * Uncollected Early Prose of Katherine Anne Porter (University of Texas Press: 1993), edited by Ruth M. Alvarez and Thomas F. Walsh. Includes twenty-nine of Porter's prose works of fiction and nonfiction, not included in earlier published editions.
 * Katherine Anne Porter's Poetry (University of South Carolina Press: 1996), edited by Darlene Harbour Unrue. Includes all thirty-two of the poems Porter published in periodicals during her lifetime.
 * Porter: Collected Stories and Other Writings (Library of America: 2008). Includes the full text of "The Collected Stories of Katherine Anne Porter" (Harcourt, Brace 1964) as well as many of the pieces that were included in her two previous collections of nonfiction.
 * Selected Letters of Katherine Anne Porter: Chronicles of a Modern Woman (University Press of Mississippi: 2012), edited by Darlene Harbour Unrue. Includes over 130 complete letters Porter wrote to over seventy correspondents between 1916 and 1979.

Other publications

 * My Chinese Marriage by Mae Franking, ghostwritten by Porter (Duffield & Co: 1921).
 * Outline of Mexican Popular Arts and Crafts (Young & McCallister: 1922).
 * Katherine Anne Porter's French Song Book (Harrison of Paris: 1933). Includes seventeen French songs and Porter's English translations.
 * A Christmas Story (Delacorte: 1967). Porter's story, previously published, about her niece Mary Alice Hillendahl.
 * The Never-Ending Wrong (Little, Brown, & Co.: 1977). Porter's reflections upon the 1927 executions of Nicola Sacco and Bartolomeo Vanzetti.

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Interstates in Nashville
There are 6 interstates in Nashville. Please add 265 and 840. Alzuun (talk) 14:50, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

 * , that is incorrect. 265 has not been a thing since 2000 and was only ever a connector (see https://www.interstate-guide.com/i-265-tn/), and no part of 840 passes through Davidson County. — Huntster (t @ c) 15:13, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Move
Move back to Nashville. Previous move was completely unnecessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:3FB0:300:8CAC:5BE:B51F:B90A (talk) 17:12, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

 * Agreed. Nashville, TN is the oldest and obviously most well-known of the many Nashvilles. There's no reason for the redundancy here. This reminds me of the debate on Napoleon. TexMarshfellow (talk) 03:30, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Sports section
Apologies if this had been asked before. But in the Sports section, it states "the highest professional level of their respective sports" but then mentions MLS. Is MLS really considered the highest professional level of soccer? I can understand NFL and NHL, but I don't think MLS is seen as the highest level of soccer worldwide. --24.80.87.10 (talk) 21:07, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

 * In context, it means "the highest professional level" in the US, as seen in that the phrase links to Major professional sports leagues in the United States and Canada. BilCat (talk) 01:08, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 3 August 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Procedural close: Regardless of the outcome of this discussion, the article will not be moved permanently to Nashville per WP:USPLACE, as local consensus cannot override Wikipedia guidelines. Please spend your efforts to get WP:USPLACE changed first, then come back here. (non-admin closure) BilCat (talk) 21:49, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Nashville, Tennessee → Nashville – This title proposed to move only a simpler one, because it was completely unnecessary. 49.150.110.214 (talk) 23:55, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose move per WP:USPLACE. Nashville isn't on the list, and is in fact the example for something that needs the state name.  O.N.R.  (talk) 03:25, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Just as a clarifying point, I'm actually the one who added Nashville into that paragraph a few years back -- not as an example of why the guideline is needed, but to address confusion where users were interpreting the inclusion of state names in the title to mean that U.S. city base names cannot be primary topics. Nashville felt like the best example to demonstrate that.--Yaksar (let's chat) 21:14, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

 * Weaker-than-average oppose - For now. Consensus seems to hold that single-word titles for U.S. cities should only be used per the AP Stylebook (which, full disclosure, I disagree with a few of the entries that use this form). While there is no doubt that this is the primary topic, I feel that we shouldn't perform this move unless consensus can show that this convention is appropriate under certain conditions for cities listed by the AP as requiring the state name. Bneu2013 (talk) 04:08, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support same as above, because this title only single word "Nashville" refers a redirect. --49.150.110.214 (talk) 06:34, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * As I've said before I'm not sure if the state is needed however USPLACE says that its common usage and that's how readers and editors expect them to be titled.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 07:34, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Wait, did you mean the redirect for "Nashville", not "Nashville, Tennessee"? --49.150.110.214 (talk) 08:05, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I meant that people expect the article title to have the state, most US settlements aren't primary (such as Portland) so users expect redirect less often.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 08:45, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * "Nashville" is the only WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC you've looking for, not precisely "Nashville, Tennessee". --49.150.110.214 (talk) 14:32, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

 * Oppose. WP:USPLACE is clear on this.  Maybe try starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names). 162 etc. (talk) 15:36, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support While I don't think this will actually be moved without a wider discussion on USPLACE, I'm supporting to note the unfortunate situation that our current title policy for US cities requires us to ignore common usage, common sense, and consistency across other cities throughout the world. If the only reason why Nashville requires disambiguation used rather than its common name but Sanandaj, Salmon Arm, Kapan and Bognor Regis do not is because of the policy that demands it, then the policy doesn't make much sense.--Yaksar (let's chat) 21:06, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

History - 20th Century - racial issues slant
While I laud the excellent extensive and detailed history of Nashville's 20th Century racial issues (and 19th-Century issues, as well), they seem to form a very disproportionate percentage of the coverage of Nashville history. I strongly do NOT think any of it should be removed -- but where is the REST of Nashville history?

Not even Nashville's nationally historic music industry, and related massive 20th-Century boom in tourism (around which much of Nashville's modern activity, cultural and social evolution, and economy have come to revolve), seem to get ANY attention in the History section. Relegating such influential and transformative developments to the "Culture" section, or a paragraph in the "Economy" section, is hardly representative of these major formative events in the postwar history of Nashville.

This is concerning. ~ Penlite (talk) 01:36, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

 * I added some very basic music history to the article, but I'm sure there is still plenty more that could be added. Nickelbackstan5158 (talk) 03:25, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Notable people
The article lacks a Notable people section Aminabzz (talk) 20:52, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

 * That's because it's covered in a separate article, List of people from Nashville, Tennessee. It's the first entry in the "See also" section. BilCat (talk) 01:51, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Infobox image
User:195.57.101.211, please stop edit warring and self-revert. and I both prefer the new image. You may discuss why you disagree, but in the meantime, the image should remain at the current concensus of the slightly zoomed-out version. Cerebral726 (talk) 14:56, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

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Image:Deadly Nightshade 2.jpg has been listed for deletion on WP:IFD, what is the copyright status of it? Boffy b 19:16, 2005 Feb 8 (UTC)

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older entries
There are few cities in the US named after Kent.

Kent, Washington even has a Canterberry fair every year.

 * Yes, take a look at Kent (disambiguation) which is mentioned at the top of this article. Stan 05:53, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

Iron Age tribes
Peter Salway talks of an unnamed tribe in the Weald that built more hillforts, and the Atrebates occupying west Kent. Sheppard Frere just has the Regenses there. Anyone know who's right? adamsan 08:24, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Men of Kent/Kentish Men
I dont know enough about it to edit but I notice the paragraph about Kentish Men/Men of Kent appears twice in this short article. Someone who understands this should combine MRSC 05:34, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * The article talks of "residents" as being Men of Kent or Kentish Men. Maybe things have changed, but the tradition WAS always that only NATIVES of East Kent were Men of Kent and NATIVES of West Kent were Kentish Men. (I'm a Man of Kent). Timothy Titus 00:31, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

 * If you weren't born in Kent (pre 1888 county) then you can't be a Man (Maid) of Kent or a Kentish Man (Maid)! Mjroots (talk) 21:01, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I don't think I get your point here. However, if you're suggesting for some reason that there is no longer such a thing as a "Man of Kent" or "Kentish Man", then I beg to differ. I suspect the entire membership of the "Association of Men of Kent & Kentish Men" would also disagree!  Timothy Titus Talk To TT  09:56, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Kent Kent Kent Kent
Somehow this article keeps on getting repeated within itself. I have corrected it each time by going back to the revision before the problem crept in. I apologise if any changes are lost. MRSC 15:54, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Kent: List of Cities, towns and villages
I have been trying to get to grips with this list, writing at the least stubs where names had just "appeared". Since I have been doing this over the past few weeks I have also discovered the Category:Villages in Kent list which will obviously duplicate (where the Category is added on an article of course) the Kent list. The Category article mentions "at least 400" villages. I have checked one list with the other and found some villages on one and not the other and vice versa.

In the same vein there is also a Category:Towns in Kent.

Could we not reduce the size of the Kent article by cutting out the list completely? There are only two cities - and one of those isn't in the modern Kent! We then only need to make reference to the two categories, which should then gradually include all of each category.

Any comments, please? Peter Shearan

 * I second that. The categorisation system is always a bit of a disaster when things like this happen!  DJR (Talk) 21:33, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm not entirely sure how this works lol. Anyways, the first paragraph says "Kent's only city is Canterbury" well, i beleive Rochester was up until 1997 a city(due to its cathedral) then Medway became a seperate authority and in its own right it is now ran like a seperate county but is, classed as a city. So surely it has 2 citys? Medway City and Canterbury? 82.45.93.28 01:22, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Simply - No. See talk elsewhere (ie Rochester) and here. Our illustirous leaders at Rochester Upon Medway BC managed to neglect to set up the correct trust to hold the city status when they were merged with Gillingham BC to form Medway UA. See also the article City status in the United Kingdom. Pickle 16:25, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Dungeness
The article mentions a nuclear power station at Dungeness. Would it be over fussy to correct this by pointing out that there are TWO nuclear power stations at Dungeness, built side-by-side? Timothy Titus 00:40, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * be bold and change it then, on the other hand there are many locations of nuclear power plants with more than one reactor.... Pickle 10:59, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It does seem right to correct it - so I have! - they are very different stations, owned by different power companies, and operated independently. The older one (built 1965) is about to close, though the other still has a few years in it... Timothy Titus 19:04, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't be suprised if the magnox (the old one - Dungerness A) gets a life entension of at least 10 years! Pickle 16:46, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

kent flag
Adding the flag brings the the article in line with other counties such as Cornwall whom also display their flags 88.110.33.234 20:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Kent Cricket Club Photo
I removed the photo because:
 * It was placed in the inappropriate History section.
 * There is not a Sports section in the article where it be better placed.
 * The editor was anonymous, who was editing other cricket articles.

Although, maybe there should be a brief mention of the Kent Cricket club, and the photo may be relevant then. MortimerCat 23:17, 31 January 2007 (UTC)and i do gree with you MortimerCat i am yashmon and think you are correct and agree with you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yashmon (talk • contribs) 21:50, 22 March 2007

Rochester
Is Rochester a City or a Town? In the Cities, towns and villages it is listed as a city, whereas the Rochester article lists it as a Town. I know there was some form of administrative error somewhere, but we need to be consistent in both articles.

I think that the Cities, towns and villages section should be removed to be replaced with a statement in the intro. "Kent has 1 (or 2) Cities and 33 (or 32) Towns". The links moved to the "See also" section.

MortimerCat 23:35, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Its very particular to the specific conundrum of what a city is (vs a a town) in the UK (something very special and rare) compared to say the US where it isn't. yes technically there is only 1, but every time one says that there must be a huge "but" explaining why the situation has arisen. Pickle 01:15, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

 * The Statement at the begining of the article is wrong, Kent has TWO cities. Rochester also has a Cathedral, along with Canterbury. Canterbury City is in fact a County in it's own right, within the County of Kent, but that just complicates matters. K997bnd 13:23, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Not that it helps much with this discussion, but the wiki article on Rochester states (and from my own local knowledge, believe this to be the case) Rochester had long been a city but was accidentally stripped of its centuries-old city status in 1998 through local government reorganisation. This was not noticed by Medway Council until 2002; it has since written to the Queen asking for city status to be conferred again. so it is both a modern town, and a historic city! regards, Lynbarn 12:35, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

 * K997bnd - City status in the UK is not due to the presence of a Cathedral see City status in the United Kingdom. County borough (which Canterbury was pre the 1970s) were abolished with local government reorganisation and Canterbury has been part of Kent (as in the administrative council as well as ceremonial county) proper since the 1970s. Pickle 14:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No matter what the judicial status of the City of Rochester is- on the ground it is spoken of as a city and the grounds for claiming it isn't are paper thin. The point was so subtle that Judith Armitt, CEO of the incoming Medway Council missed it. Today we have had another anon. editor changing the lead- to reflect what most of the world believe. Castle + Cathedral + continuous occupation for 2000+ years = a city. We need to have an agreed wording that explains,coincides with popular belief or convinces- reverting will not convince.ClemRutter 13:19, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * In the same sentence we have another problem Maidstone is described as the county town of Kent-- but do ceremonial counties have county towns-- the word ceremonial is ommitted. If Medway was to county town what would it be-- where are the precedents?ClemRutter 13:19, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Kent
I don't think the Parish councils section belongs in this article, it talks about Parish councils in general, not Kents Parish councils, perhaps we could change it to talk about this third tier of government but point to List of civil parishes in Kent(although that link appears in Kent) - Olive Oil -ŢάĽɮ - 02:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

 * We need to explain the structure of government in Kent in this article. Part of that is that a third tier exists below the traditional county and borough councils. In some area its of very little importance but in others, eg Swanley, the town council seams very active and prominent. Pickle 11:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Education
Whereas much of the UK adopted a comprehensive education system in the 1970s, Kent County Council (and Medway Unitary Authority) are among around 40 Local Education Authorities (LEAs) still providing selective education through the eleven-plus, High Schools and Grammar Schools.

 * This sentence is now inaccurate- the eleven plus only exists in Kent Medway(and maybe Bucks).
 * You need to explain the High School, is not a High School as described in the linked article but a secondary modern school, that is a school that provides for the bottom 80%-70% of the ability range as defined in the 1944 Act ( I need to check that), a school described in Wikipedia as secondary modern school.
 * It is not a POV that 77% of Kent children are directed to a High School, while the other 23% can choose to go to any school, subject to spaces.

These are important facts that Overseas Teachers applying for jobs in Kent need to know, and indeed any parent who is considering to move into the county. I am aware that there are strong views eminating from those who seek to maintain the status quo, we just need to be careful that the facts are represented in a way that is intelligible to readers from outside the county. ClemRutter 12:40, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Kent, Medway and Bexley still have the old fashioned system but its different. The Education Act 1944 set up the tripartite system of Tripartite System; Grammar schools, Technical School and Secondary modern school. Kent has only got Grammars and Secondary moderns left (although the latter mostly call themselves "High Schools" or even Comps. You'ld need to dig up the ratios as the "traditional" view of the 11+ was 25% passed and 75% "failed", and I've a feeling we don't have that current spilt anymore. As above this area is strewn with POV and passionately held views, but we do need explain this unusual system compared to the rest of England, especially as its an en masse area of Grammars. Pickle 19:36, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

 * The 2008 Selection Scheme in Medway (in cooperation with Kent) is described in full in the file http://www.medway.gov.uk/och20070220r-4.pdf?file=56645 and the 23/77 selection rate is explained on page 12 para (v).ClemRutter 23:06, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * True 1944 did set up a tripartite system on paper but this system was rarely implemented and by the 1963/5 when the CSE was set up Technical schools were effectively dead- those that still existed having gone the GCE route or the CSE route. An interesting and contraversial article would be one describing how KCC avoided enacting Circular 11/66 and 10/68 by claiming that it was doing so, by setting up three experiments Homesdale, Hoo and Sheppey to test if this were the correct way forward. I haven't the facts easily to hand and didn't personally experience it being in Manchester at the time. A legacy of all this is the massive confusion that remains as to Kents unique terminology.ClemRutter 23:06, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Cheers, its some time since i knew all the details when i was at the baffeling stage of choosing a secondary school. IIRC in Medway for example Chatham Grammer (or was it Chatham South) and Fort Pitt were both Technical Schools. Pickle 15:25, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Just read a BBC News story - here - which says they use middle schools out there on Sheppy. Should we not mention this at least and include the 3 middle schools in the table? Pickle 12:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Indeed Sheppey does have Middle schools. That can be proven very easily. Although it has a 3 tier school system its students are still dumb 82.45.93.28 01:22, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Kent County Council - separate article
This article is getting quite overloaded - I'd like to suggest creating a separate Kent County Council article. At the moment Kent County Council just redirects to Kent. Any objections? Pgr94 09:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Good idea.Kent as currently defined is one and half times the size of Luxembourg. The question still remains, as to the boundaries- do we now include Bromley, Bexley, Greenwich in the county template, or just Medway ?ClemRutter 09:53, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Well KCC would cover the current administrative county, presumably leaving Kent to cover the ceremonial county (that includes Medway). That doesn't answer the valid question over the parts of Kent now in London, the first wave (Greenwich and Lewisham) and second wave (Bromley and Bexley)... Pickle 12:59, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I also think it would be a good idea and agree with the notion to make KCC into a separate article. 14:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Here is a first attempt: Kent County Council. Contributions welcome. Pgr94 15:57, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I have removed much of the politics/government detail which can now be found in Kent County Council. I also introduced a new section "Government" which can summarise the KCC page. Pgr94 18:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

County Arms
Should the county emblem (thumb on main page) be changed to the county arms instead? Richard Thompson (Talk! | Contribs) 10:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

 * A difficult problem- the county symbol belongs to the us all, KCC seem to claim the county arms. http://www.civicheraldry.co.uk/kent.html http://www.answers.com/topic/invicta-motto If this is true, then we need the Kent Arms, and the Medway Arms- if not, then the county arms seems appropriate. If it is the case of putting both of them there, (POV) I am opposed- as the Medway Arms were only drawn up for LG Reorg, and lack tradition. If we remove that the KCC arms must go. I do have a jpeg of Medway arms that can be uploaded if necessary. If we do ommit both, then I am sure that intermittantly, they will be helpfully replaced, I think an inline comment should be made to explain the ommission. The arms should definitely be included on the Kent County Council article

ClemRutter 14:07, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

 * FWIW, I would say not - the Arms ARE related directly to the KCC, as are Medways equivalent. I have noticed that the page does include two different versions of the Kent Invicta emblem though - wouldn't one be sufficient? regards, Lynbarn 14:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

 * The arms are acceptable, but they're not required. This article is about the ceremonial and the administrative county.  Dorset (featured article), for example, includes the county council coat of arms without those of Bournemouth and Poole borough councils.  Sice there is a separate KCC article, though, we're not really missing out by not having them on this page.  Joe D (t) 15:10, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

List of Places
I think the list is massive ad should be changed so im saying you can shorten it to how you want becuae I don't want any complaints so please change it at your own will. Thank you by Yashmon. Please change this if here is any grammar mistakes —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yashmon (talk • contribs) 21:50, 22 March 2007

Earthquake
Should any information about the recent earthquake be added here (quake on 28/4/07). Measured 4.2 on richter scale according to Yahoo!
 * The geography section might be the place for it. Epbr123 12:43, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Wikinews is the place for it. I suggest adding it to History of Kent in the context of previous events.  I'm not sure the geography section is the best place for it, but equally, it would not be entirely out of place there.  Joe D (t) 12:48, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that would be pure recentism. Similar minor tremors occur not infrequently throughout the UK (and many other parts of the world) and with no significant damage having occurred, it will have no lasting significance beyond the occasional anecdote of a not very impressive event. Kevin McE 14:22, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it should be mentioned. It is the largest UK earthquake since the 2002 Dudley earthquake, which has its own article. I expect that someone will create an article for this one, if they haven't already. It has already appeared in the Ashford article. MortimerCat 15:56, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I pushed it in the geography/geology section -in a low key way referencing to The Guardian . But I can't see it needs more for reasons set out above.ClemRutter 09:33, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I like the way you did that with a general paragraph on seismic activity. One question that comes to mind, was the epicentre always offshore? I know the current one was, but were all the others? I only asked because I have been reading up on previous quakes, but have seen no mention of epicentres. MortimerCat 09:45, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Short Answer haven't a clue. Deductive:- memory tells me there are two plates that join under the channel, so this is where the activity will be. Elimination:- As kent sn the 'cradle'of UK geology, and the weald is extensively covered in all basic textbooks, if it were to have had an onshore quake in 1776 -1950 this would also be documented. I don't have the reference books written after plate tectonics had been accepted. I will researcdh furtherClemRutter 10:22, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Transport
This section was missing, so I have cobbled together a piece- but it needs copy editing, as it is too historical in its POV. Perhaps an transport guru can take a look and do some surgery. ClemRutter 11:15, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

 * OK i have had a go at rail and aviation, I'll try and have a stab at ferries, road and buses later in the week. I'm probably writing too much, but when I'm done we can cut it down by moving the bulk off to "Transport in Kent" (or something) and just summarising the info on the Kent article. Pickle 18:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Rather than add more, should we not be considering a separate Transport in Kent article and moving the historical text there with a summary and more information on current details added in? Regan123 00:23, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Thats what i had mind -cheers ;) I will try and write something about the other stuff when i get some time... Pickle 01:42, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

GA assessment as at May 12, 2007
Thank you for nominating this article as one that may meet the Good Article Criteria. As you will see I have failed the article at this time. Failure is in relation particularly to item one of the GAC criteria.

I understand that failure of a GA nomination can be a little frustrating but I urge you to continue with the article to get it to this status. I also note, politely, that the general problem/s with the article appear to be related to its length and therefore the difficulty for one or two persons to proof read it in its entirety. I suggest that the History section could be trimmed down quite a deal more (and that material directed to the alternate main article) and some other parts (eg: History, Geography, & Transport) could be cut from the article and diverted to their own alternative articles.

Further to assist you in getting the article to a stage where it can be resubmitted I have provided a very close examination of the first two areas of information, Introduction (or Lead) and History.

I hope that this first detailed examination will give you a good indication of the level of editing being looked for throughout the rest of the article.

The second part of my examination then provides a number of examples of other errors etc but I note that there are many more that I have not detailed here else the comments regarding GA assessment on the talk page would become too large.

Finally I suggest that you initially go through the article making adjustments in the first two sections. Once adjustments are made, placing the template ✅ after each part that is completed will provide all editors with a guide of what is completed in this fashion.✅

 * 1) The lead should be a summary of the major points of the article - capable of standing alone as a concise overview of the article, establishing context, summarizing the most important points, explaining why the subject is interesting or notable, and briefly describing its notable controversies, if there are any.  That does not appear to be the case at the moment.
 * 2) In the lead the sentence (Formerly Rochester had city status.) provides no context and should be expanded to clarify.✅
 * 3) In the lead the sentence (Its name comes from the Kingdom of Kent.) is at odds with the second para in the History section.✅
 * 4) In the lead the sentence (The cement, papermaking, farming and aircraft industry are among local industries that have been in decline in recent years, while tourism and service industries have grown to take their place.) uses the word or its derivative industry on three occasions – needs to be rewritten to vary – consider removing the word industry from (aircraft industry) by using a pipelink.✅
 * 5) In the lead the two short sentences (Famous residents of Kent have included Charles Dickens and Charles Darwin. Sir Winston Churchill's home Chartwell is also in Kent.) needs rewriting to expand (two small sentences do not make a paragraph in this case) and so as to remove the tautological use of the word Kent (twice).✅
 * 6) In the History section some years are linked and others are not – you should decide to link them all or none of them – I suggest the former.✅
 * 7) In the History section link (Lower Palaeolithic) to itself and not just to Palaeolithic.✅
 * 8) In the History section consider adjusting the sentence (being applied as a name to the eastern part of the modern county) to - being applied as a name to the eastern part of the current  county area – or similar words.✅
 * 9) In the History section the sentence (the area was later known as Cantia in about 730) probably should be adjusted to - the area was later known as Cantia from about 730.✅
 * 10) In the History section the word Rochester in the sentence (Rochester is another of Kent's religious centres, the see being founded in 604) may have to be linked again depending upon what editors do with the suggestion above concerning this place.  In any event Rochester needs to be given context through the article.✅
 * 11) In the History section the sentence (they had frightened the Normans away, as the Normans merely used Kent to reach London) should be adjusted to remove the repetition of the words the Normans.✅
 * 12) In the History section I wonder if the paragraph starting (Gavelkind was one of the most interesting examples of the customary law of England; it was, previous to the Conquest, ..) should not be moved up one paragraph for better chronology?✅
 * 13) In the History section wikilink or explain the content detailed as (the wasteful strip system).✅
 * 14) In the History Section are you able to provide an inline reference to the facts displayed in these two sentences (In the 14th century, Kent land was valued at 8d to 12d an acre, against 4d to 6d an acre in the midlands. However in 1873, at Worth Primary school, one sixth of an acre was owned by 21 people.)?✅
 * 15) In the History section please remove the space between the word Kent and the reference in this sentence (of the men of Kent. [8]  )  Please also removed the space in the sentence (and the postal address of these districts still includes Kent. [8] )✅
 * 16) In the History section there should be spaces between the reference and the next word in this area (Canterbury became a great pilgrimage site following the martyrdom of Thomas Becket.[11]Thomas Beckett was canonised in 1246. [12]Canterbury's religious).✅
 * 17) In the History section – I believe there should be no apostrophe in the word (it's).✅
 * 18) In the History section remove the extra full stop in this sentence (towns in 1667.[14].)✅
 * 19) In the History section should the word kentish be capitalised?✅
 * 20) In the History section the final paragraph jumps out of the section and seems to lack context – especially the last sentence (William Lambarde was an even earlier writer, in the 16th century.[21]  ) This paragraph should be adjusted.✅

General examples:
 * 1) Spacing errors as described above in sentences and references such as (caused physical damage in Folkestone. [30] )✅
 * 2) Punctuation errors such as shown in the sentence (Kent County Council's headquarters in Maidstone.[34] while Medway's Offices are in Strood and Gillingham.)✅
 * 3) Spelling and word repetition errors such as shown in the sentence (North Kent is heavily indistrialised with industries such as the cement industry at Northfleet and Cuxton, brickmaking at Sittingbourne, shipbuilding on the Medway and Swale, aircraft design and construction and engineering at Rochester, chemicals and papermaking at Dartford, and oil refining at Grain.)✅
 * 4) Misplaced areas – which belong at a separate See also sub-heading such as (For other settlements see:
 * List of places in Kent
 * List of civil parishes in Kent
 * Category:Towns in Kent
 * Category:Villages in Kent)✅

 * 1) Spelling errors such as (north-east, south-west) and (were Bypassed and then)✅
 * 2) Referencing format errors such as (see Isle of Sheppey#Early aviation for more information) and (ref Times Atlas of the Second World War, ed john Keegan, 1989) and ([United States Air Forces in Europe]].✅
 * 3) Grammar – typographical errors such as shown in the sentence (The other World War Two ear airfields) and (at the three tarmaced airfield)✅
 * 4) Misplaced areas such as Military Kent and Man of Kent or Kentish Man? Both of which probably belong in the History section or at least earlier in the article.✅

I am sorry for being the bearer of bad news – but once again I hope my comments will assist editors in reaching GA status and I urge you to continue as further work on the article will get it to GA and there is no reason it could not also reach FA in time. Cheers -- VS talk 23:09, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Images
Bravo, on the 24 hr intensive copy editing done yesterday. I think in pictures, which I believe should add to the article not just illustrate it. ClemRutter 23:48, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * So what does the NASA map add, I have added Commons Category:North Downs that may be more suitable to illustrate landscape.
 * Why so many trains- particularly the Golden Arrow that is pictured outside Kent according to the caption.
 * No industry image

 * Trains photos were added by me. Fr the transport section, i like the M2 pic (we lack a better "roads" in Kent pic), as for aeroplanes - well there aren't any good *current* ones out there I'm afraid. As for trains, IMHO the CTRL one is too big, but I'm not photoshoper so not sure how to crop it, etc (without copyvio, et al), but for this section it is very pertinent. I initially wanted to have one of a commuter EMU but i dropped that before i uploaded the rail section (just don't seam to look right). Now the Golden Arrow was the historic boat train service to the Kent ports from London, which IMHO a) best described (given the dearth of "old" SECR, SER, LCDR, Southern pics, etc) the main point of Kent's railways b) its a loco from this end of the world, the South London Line it is on, is part of the Catford Loop Line of the Chatham Main Line. Anyway given the less historical version of "Transport in Kent" as summarised on this article this image could go. Similarly the RHDR train could go from here to a tourist section. Pickle 01:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

GA Passed
Congratulations to all editors who assisted in improving this article since it was last reviewed (see above). The 70 or so new edits that have adjusted the article since then have addressed nicely all previous concerns and added a few other GA components. It is well presented and easily passes the WP:GAC. I note for the record all of the registered editors that provided 5 or more edits to this article as follows (with the numbers after user names indicating their total edits at time of final GA assessment): Epbr123(167); Peter Shearan (59); O1ive (38); MRSC (27); Faedra (23); Lynbarn (20); Morwen (20); ClemRutter ; Regan123 (13); Keith Edkins (13); MortimerCat (12); Adamsan (12); Pickle UK (11); Old Moonraker (11); Renata (11); K8Fisher (10); Nlu (9); Pgr94 (8); Dpaajones (7); Kevin McE (6); Richtom80 (6); Djr xi (6); Steinsky (5); Yadevol (5); YurikBot (5); Cunningham (5); VTEX (5). Editors may wish to cut the following template   and paste to their user page or other suitable location - which will provide the following template:    Well done!-- VS  talk 10:10, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Politics and Kent -> KCC
I moved much of the information about MPs, districts etc into the Kent County Council article where I would suggest it is more appropriate, but it seems to have crept back into this article again. Unless there are any objections I will delete again. Pgr94 14:25, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I have now removed the unnecessary info. Epbr123 16:32, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well done. Actually, I also had in mind removing the list of MPs in the box on the right because it also exists in Kent County Council.  It would unclutter the article a bit.  Any thoughts? Pgr94 17:40, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure the MPs belong in Kent County Council, as the two aren't related enough and some of the MPs will be from Medway. Epbr123 18:40, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I am sure. No. Medway Council is a unitary authority in Ceremonial Kent. KCC is merely a county council- not having the all the functions of a unitary but having a larger budget and partial power over a larger physical area. Neither of these local government organisations have the power or duty of an MP, they don't set income tax or have the power to declare war on Essex! Ceremonial Kent is represented in parliament by its MPs. Bob and Paul are elected solely by residents in Medway Council area, while Jonathan's patch includes areas in both authorities. I suspect that suggesting MPs (belong to) are subject to the whims of Medway Council or KCC is treason- and in former times was punishable by death. (Arson on HM Dockyark did remain the last capital offence! and we in Chatham remember). On second thoughts- removing MPs from Westminster was the crime that Guido Fawkes committed- isn't this the wikiequivalent? ClemRutter 19:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Is there a wikipolicy on humour? ClemRutter 19:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Members of Parliament have nothing officially to do with KCC, so I don't believe they belong in that article. Perhaps Kent should have a brief section on Modfern politics, with a larger sub-page going into more detail. It mighht be worth looking at how this is covered in other county pages? regards, Lynbarn 19:56, 16 June 2007 (UTC) (P.S. see Humour)
 * Yes a sub-page is definitely the way to go to allow the subject to grow without overrunning the Kent article. So what should it be called? Pgr94 21:51, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Probably, either Government in Kent or Politics in Kent. However, I don't think the Government section in the Kent article needs shortening at the moment. The Dorset article, the only county Featured Article, has a politics section of about the same length. Epbr123 22:00, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Its the standard for counties to include a list of MPs in their infobox; Kent is just unfortunate in being one of the counties with the most MPs. Epbr123 22:40, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Or perhaps adding an in-line link to List of Parliamentary constituencies in Kent would be suitable? Lynbarn 22:11, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Picture
To me, the picture is slightly misleading, as it seems East Sussex is more properly the "southerneastmost" county in England. What does that word mean, and does the picture properly enforce its definition? ALTON .ıl  21:20, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Sure "southerneastmost" isn't a word, but Kent is the county in the bottom right hand corner of england (and the UK) by any way you work it - Dungerness out on the Romney Marsh probably qualifies it as so (even if Lowerstoft or Great Yarmouth in East Anglia is the easternmost and the Lizzard in Cornwall is the southernmost). Pickle 13:27, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Copyediting for FAC

 * Responding to a request from Ebp123, I've worked on it through the Government section. I asked him/her to look over my changes before I proceeded. I see I should have left that message here. Here is that message:

Please take a look through my edits before I continue later this evening. Please note, though it's not MoS or policy, serial commas are preferred by readers; in fact, the only reason I can find that the serial comma is not used is to save on ink and paper. Though bandwidth is a key cost of the Wikimedia foundation, omitting serial commas simply won't save enough to be noticed. Also note: My editor had a problem with some unicode characters, and I had to, for instance, replace your long dashes with HTML equivalents ("&ndash;"). --Otheus 08:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Your copyedit looks great so far, and you've raised some good points. You're very welcome to proceed. Epbr123 14:09, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Done, but it was a bit of a rush-job. Please do a final proofread. Also, see the history -- in my edit summaries, I point out places where some content follow-up is required. Best of luck! Otheus 15:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

 * I got the request from Ebp123, too, and I read through it and it looks fine to me, although I may have missed something. Omgitsmonica 00:50, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

 * I too got the request, though it was a while ago. It seems there is still action on this article, so I will be looking it through.  --rocketrye12talk/contribs 03:21, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Red wiki links
Is anyone aware, there are 25 red wikilinks for the non existent page Kent (UK Parliament constituency) ! See: Special:Whatlinkshere/Kent_%28UK_Parliament_constituency%29 for full list.

It may be easier for someone to created the page and immediately redirect it to: List of Parliamentary constituencies in Kent But I'll leave that up to the local experts.--Aspro 17:42, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * There was a Kent Parliamentary constituency a couple of hundred years ago but it no longer exists. One day, someone may create a proper article on it. Epbr123 18:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

 * At a guess (this is not my specialist area of history) as a county we would have had two (?) MPs form ? right up until ? (? great reform act). IIRC there is a wiki project for UK election results/constituencies and they would have links to election data to populate such articles. Pickle 18:36, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Kent coa.jpg
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 * I think i've resolved this issues as Image:Arms-kent.jpg is the same file (as far as i can tell) and it has the proper copyright info on it. Thus (if i'm right) Image:Kent coa.jpg is duplciation and can be deleted. Pickle 07:24, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Assessment comment
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Santa Rosae

Santa Rosae (also spelled Santarosae) was, before the end of the last ice age, an ancient landmass off the coast of present-day southern California, near Santa Barbara County and Ventura County, of which the northern Channel Islands of California are remnants. At its largest, Santa Rosae was roughly 3-4 times bigger than the northern Channel Islands of today, nearly 125 km (77.67 miles) long from east to west. Between about 20,000 and 5,000 years ago, Santa Rosae lost about 70% of its land mass to post-glacial rising sea level, leaving behind a vast submerged landscape currently being explored by scientists. San Miguel, Santa Rosa, Santa Cruz, and Anacapa Island comprise the unsubmerged portions of Santa Rosae today. This island was about 5 miles offshore. It broke up between about 11,000 and 9,000 years ago, and the present northern Channel Islands took their shape after the continental ice sheets melted and sea levels rose by about 100 meters.

There is evidence to suggest that a now-submerged island, Calafia, lay between Santa Rosae and the mainland.

Santa Rosae had a population of pygmy mammoths (Mammuthus exilis), which became extinct roughly 13,000 years ago.

On Santa Rosa Island was found the ~13,000-year-old skeleton of Arlington Springs Man, among the oldest human remains yet found in North America. As Santa Rosae was not connected to the mainland at the time, this shows that Paleo-indians settled the island using boats. Archaeological evidence shows that these Paleocoastal peoples had sophisticated maritime technologies and fished, hunted marine mammals and birds, and harvested island plant foods. These Paleocoastal peoples, who survived on the island until about 8,000 years ago, may be the ancestors of the Island Chumash tribe, who lived on the northern Channel Islands for millennia until Spanish authorities removed them to mainland missions in the 1820s.

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Greetings, Brent, fellow-Kiwi. I see not much activity from you in recent months (unless it continues anonymously). Maybe a look at the fledgling Maori Wikipedia may inspire something! Kind regards - Robin Patterson 00:17, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

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