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Hi, welcome! We're glad to have you with us; the project is quite an experience, and we're always grateful for more help. If you have any questions about editing, you can go to FAQ, or ask at Help desk. Have a great time editing, and I hope you like it here. Yours, Meelar 15:08, 13 May 2004 (UTC)

Nice work on Mamoru Oshii page.I hope you will take a look at Innocence: Ghost in the Shell "rough" page.

See you later ;-) --Neuromancien 17:32, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Hi ! Thanks for the work on Shiki-Jitsu ! Do you think there is any chance of "saving" the other images by working on the layout, or would the page be just too heavy ? Soory, I have created your user page because it makes contacting you easier from the Watchlist and History pages... I hope you don't mind :p Thanks again ! Rama 17:29, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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AccuWeather

AccuWeather Inc. is a private-sector American media company that provides commercial weather forecasting services worldwide.

AccuWeather was founded in 1962 by Joel N. Myers, then a Pennsylvania State University graduate student working on a master's degree in meteorology. His first customer was a gas company in Pennsylvania. While running his company, Myers also worked as a member of Penn State's meteorology faculty. The company adopted the name "AccuWeather" in 1971.

AccuWeather is headquartered in Ferguson Township, just outside of State College, Pennsylvania, with offices at 80 Pine Street in Manhattan's Financial District in addition to Wichita, Kansas, and Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. Internationally, AccuWeather has offices in Montreal, Tokyo, Beijing, Seoul, and Mumbai.

Company profile
AccuWeather provides weather forecasts and warnings and additional weather products and services, with clients worldwide in media, business, and government, including more than half of the Fortune 500 companies and thousands of other businesses globally. It also runs the free, advertising-supported website AccuWeather.com, an online weather provider. Third-party web analytics providers Alexa and SimilarWeb rated the site as the 200th most visited website in the United States, as of November 2015.

AccuWeather's forecasts and warning services are based on weather information derived from numerous sources, including weather observations and data gathered by the National Weather Service and meteorological organizations outside the United States, and from information provided by non-meteorological organizations such as the Environmental Protection Agency and the armed forces as well as its own proprietary models and algorithms. In 2020, AccuWeather requested and received between $5 million and $10 million in aid under the Paycheck Protection Program to avoid having to let go 462 employees due to the COVID-19 pandemic. In 2021, AccuWeather employed just under 500 people, more than 100 of whom are operational meteorologists.

AccuWeather operates a 24/7 weather channel known as The AccuWeather Network available on Spectrum TV, DIRECTV, Verizon Fios, and Frontier cable as well as Philo and FuboTV streaming services. The network broadcasts a combination of live and pre-recorded national and regional weather forecasts, analysis of ongoing weather events, and weather-related news, along with local weather segments. The network's studio and master control facilities are based at AccuWeather's headquarters near State College, Pennsylvania.

In 2006, AccuWeather acquired WeatherData, Inc. of Wichita. Renamed AccuWeather Enterprise Solutions in 2011, the Wichita facility now houses AccuWeather's specialized severe weather forecasters.

Leadership
As of June 2023, Steven R. Smith is CEO having taken over the position from company founder Dr. Joel N. Myers who became executive chairman. Joel Myers' brother Evan Myers was Chief Operating Officer until 2020 and Senior Vice President. His other brother, Barry Lee Myers, was chief executive officer from 2007 to January 1, 2019.

Products and services
The regular weather provider for Bloomberg Television, AccuWeather also provides guest commentary on major TV networks. AccuWeather, through the United Stations Radio Networks (previously through Westwood One until 2009), also provides weather for over 800 radio stations and over 700 newspapers, including WINS in New York City and WBBM in Chicago. During severe-weather episodes, AccuWeather employees have been called upon by television journalists such as Larry King, Geraldo Rivera, and Greta van Susteren for expert commentary. Accuweather's broadcast meteorologist Jim Kosek became an internet sensation in 2010 due to what the company describe as his "all-out, manic style" announcements, e.g. of a blizzard forecast as a "snowmaggedon". Other well known AccuWeather meteorologists are Bernie Rayno, Brittany Boyer, Geoff Cornish and Melissa Constanzer. AccuWeather's Chief Meteorologist is Jonathan Porter and Dan Kottlowski is AccuWeather's lead hurricane forecaster. Elliot Abrams retired from AccuWeather in 2019 after working at AccuWeather for more than 50 years.

AccuWeather produces local weather videos each day for use on their own website, on the Local AccuWeather Network, on wired Internet, and on mobile application and websites. The mobile application has a minute-by-minute forecast and also collects crowd-sourced weather observations. The company is also active in the areas of convergence and digital signage. They have added a user-contributed video section to their photo gallery.

In 2015, AccuWeather entered into a joint venture with the Chinese company Huafeng Media Group, receiving the sole rights to deliver forecasts made by the China Meteorological Administration, a government agency that controls Huafeng.

Besides its forecasting services to individual consumers, AccuWeather performs weather-related predictive analytical services for businesses, such as determining how weather conditions have influenced past sales history and advising businesses on adapting their sales strategy for future weather events.

The Local AccuWeather Channel
Starting in 2005, AccuWeather offered The Local AccuWeather Channel as a digital subchannel to television stations. By 2021, the service had been quietly discontinued. AccuWeather continues to provide local weather content to noncommercial Milwaukee PBS station WMVT-DT3 under a separate agreement.

National weather channel
In 2015, Verizon FiOS replaced The Weather Channel with a new 24/7 all-weather television network called "The AccuWeather Channel". This followed earlier negotiations among AccuWeather, The Weather Channel, and DirecTV. The AccuWeather Network is a separate operation from "The Local AccuWeather Channel", which continues to run in selected markets across the country. It became the third 24/7 weather network to launch on American television, after The Weather Channel in 1982 and WeatherNation TV in 2011. The AccuWeather Network is also carried on Spectrum TV, DIRECTV, Frontier, and on Philo and FuboTV streaming services. On August 1, 2018, the AccuWeather Network began on DIRECTV nationwide.

AccuWeather Now
In July 2021, AccuWeather announced a companion over-the-top channel, AccuWeather Now, that will focus mainly on viral videos and shared social media content.

RealFeel temperature
AccuWeather created a unified and proprietary apparent temperature system known as "The AccuWeather Exclusive RealFeel Temperature" and has used the quantity in its forecasts and observations. The formula for calculating this value incorporates the effects of temperature, wind, humidity, sunshine intensity, cloudiness, precipitation, and elevation on the human body, similar to the rarely used (but public domain) wet-bulb globe temperature. AccuWeather has been granted a United States patent on The RealFeel Temperature, but the formula is a trade secret and has not been reviewed by other meteorological authorities. In response to AccuWeather's "RealFeel", The Weather Channel introduced their "FeelsLike" temperature reading.

Plume labs
AccuWeather acquired air pollution startup Plume Labs in 2022. Plume labs started in 2014, as a air pollution visualization and forecasting service. Data is gathered through government controlled stations and individual contributors. It gradually started offering street by street level prediction of AQI. It also sells Flow, a pocket-sized device to measure AQI. Due to sells volume, more Flow devices report AQI than government stations. Although government stations report AQI with greater accuracy.

Long-term forecasting practices
In April 2012, AccuWeather drastically shortened the range of their publicly available historical data from 15 years to 1 year. They also began increasing the range of their forecast from 15 days to 25 days, 45 days, and (by 2016) to 90 days. These hyper-extended forecasts have been compared to actual results several times and shown to be misleading, inaccurate, and sometimes less accurate than simple predictions based on National Weather Service averages over a 30-year period. It is generally accepted that the upper limit on how far one can reliably forecast is between one and two weeks, a limit based on both limits in observation systems and the chaotic nature of the atmosphere.

An informal assessment conducted by Jason Samenow at The Washington Post asserted that AccuWeather's forecasts at the 25-day range were often wrong by as many as ten degrees Fahrenheit, no better than random chance and that the forecasts missed half of the fourteen days of rain that had occurred during the month of the assessment. AccuWeather responds that it does not claim absolute precision in such extremely long forecasts and advises users to only use the forecast to observe general trends in the forecast period, but this contrasts with the way the forecasts are presented. An assessment from the Post determined that the 45-day forecasts were not even able to predict trends accurately, and that, although the forecasts did not decrease in accuracy with time, the forecasts were so far off even in the short range as to be useless. The Post commissioned another assessment from Penn State University professor Jon Nese, comparing several more cities to Accuweather's predictions; that assessment, while acknowledged as being limited to a single season, acknowledged that AccuWeather's forecasts were of value in short-range forecasting while also noting that their long-range forecasts beyond one week were less accurate than climatological averages.

National Weather Service
The National Weather Service, which provides large amounts of the data that AccuWeather repackages and sells for profit, also provides that same information for free by placing it in the public domain.

On April 14, 2005, U.S. Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA) introduced the "National Weather Service Duties Act of 2005" in the U.S. Senate. The legislation would have forbidden the National Weather Service from providing any such information directly to the public, and the legislation was generally interpreted as an attempt by AccuWeather to profit off of taxpayer-funded weather research by forcing its delivery through private channels. AccuWeather denies this and maintains it never intended to keep weather information out of the hands of the general public. The bill did not come up for a vote. Santorum received campaign contributions from AccuWeather's president, Joel Myers.

On October 12, 2017, President Donald Trump nominated AccuWeather CEO Barry Lee Myers, the younger brother of the company's founder, to head the National Weather Service's parent administration, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. It was noted that unlike 11 of the previous 12 NOAA administrators, Myers lacks an advanced scientific degree, instead holding bachelor's and master's degrees in business and law. Barry Myers stepped down as CEO of AccuWeather on January 1, 2019, and completely divested himself of any ownership of AccuWeather in accordance with his pledge to the Office of Government Ethics and the U.S. Senate. After two years of inaction on the nomination, Myers withdrew his consideration for nomination on November 12, 2019, due to ill health, though allegations of a hostile workplace and pervasive sexual harassment while Myers was at AccuWeather are rumored to have stalled it. Myers sent a letter to The Washington Post in 2019 to address these allegations.

iOS location privacy
In August 2017, security researcher Will Strafach intercepted traffic from the AccuWeather iPhone app to discover that it inadvertently sent location information to Reveal Mobile through a faulty SDK, even when customers have not given permission to share location information. ZDnet independently verified this information. AccuWeather immediately released an update to the App Store which removed the Reveal Mobile SDK.

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List of Privy Counsellors (1901–1910)

This is a List of Privy Counsellors of the United Kingdom appointed during the reign of King Edward VII, from 1901 to 1910.

1901

 * William Maclagan (1826–1910)
 * Lewis Fry (1832–1921)
 * Frederick Halsey (1839–1927)
 * Edmund Barton (1849–1920)
 * Sir Samuel Griffith (1845–1920)
 * Sir Francis Plunkett (1835–1907)
 * Sir Mortimer Durand (1850–1924)
 * Sir Dighton Probyn (1833–1924)
 * The Earl Roberts (1832–1914)
 * The Lord Wenlock (1849–1912)
 * Sir Spencer Ponsonby-Fane (1824–1915)
 * Arthur Winnington-Ingram (1858–1946)
 * The Marquess of Cholmondeley (1858–1923)
 * The Lord Chesham (1850–1907)
 * The Lord Milner (1854–1925)
 * Sir James Mathew (1830–1908)
 * Sir Herbert Cozens-Hardy (1838–1920)
 * The Duke of Buccleuch (1831–1914)
 * Sir Henry Aubrey-Fletcher, Bt (1835–1910)
 * Sir Andrew Scoble (1831–1916)

1902

 * Sir Arthur Wilson (1837–1915)
 * Sir John Day (1826–1908)
 * Sir John Bonser (1847–1914)
 * The Earl of Leven (1835–1906)
 * The Earl of Dudley (1867–1932)
 * The Earl of Minto (1845–1914)
 * The Lord Rothschild (1840–1915)
 * The Lord Kelvin (1824–1907)
 * The Lord Lister (1827–1912)
 * Sir Michael Herbert (1857–1903)
 * George Wyndham (1863–1913)
 * Sir Edward Grey, Bt (1862–1933)
 * Sir John Dorington, Bt (1832–1911)
 * Sir Hugh Guion MacDonnell (1831–1904)
 * Sir Antony MacDonnell (1844–1925)
 * Sir Alfred Lyall (1835–1911)
 * Sir Albert Hime (1842–1919)
 * Sir Robert Bond (1857–1927)
 * Sir Ernest Cassel (1852–1921)
 * Richard Haldane (1856–1928)
 * Arthur Jeffreys (1848–1906)
 * James Round (1842–1916)
 * Austen Chamberlain (1863–1937)
 * Sir Richard Cartwright (1835–1912)
 * The Lord Revelstoke (1863–1929)
 * Sir Joseph Dimsdale, Bt (1849–1912)
 * George Finch (1835–1907)
 * Henry Hobhouse (1854–1937)
 * Sir Savile Crossley, Bt (1857–1935)

1903

 * Randall Davidson (1848–1930)
 * The Hon. Sir Francis Bertie (1844–1919)
 * The Earl of Onslow (1853–1911)
 * Sir Arthur Charles (1839–1921)
 * Sir Ralph Henry Knox (1836–1913)
 * Lord Stanley (1865–1948)
 * The Hon. Alfred Lyttelton (1857–1913)
 * H. O. Arnold-Forster (1855–1909)
 * The Marquess of Salisbury (1861–1947)
 * Charles Dickson (1850–1922)

1904

 * Sir Edwin Egerton (1841–1916)
 * The Hon. Charles Hardinge (1858–1944)
 * Sir Henri-Elzéar Taschereau (1836–1911)
 * Sir Gainsford Bruce (1834–1912)
 * Charles Booth (1840–1916)
 * William Kenyon-Slaney (1847–1908)
 * James Parker Smith (1854–1929)
 * Sir Alexander Fuller-Acland-Hood, Bt (1853–1917)

1905

 * Sir Gorell Barnes (1848–1913)
 * The Earl Cawdor (1847–1911)
 * The Hon. Ailwyn Fellowes (1855–1924)
 * Sir Arthur Nicolson, Bt. (1849–1928)
 * Sir Edward Goschen (1847–1924)
 * The Earl of Mansfield (1860–1906)
 * The Lord Rayleigh (1842–1919)
 * The Lord Tennyson (1852–1928)
 * Sir Robert Finlay (1842–1929)
 * Arthur Cohen (1830–1914)
 * Sir Frederick Darley (1830–1910)
 * John Atkinson (1844–1932)
 * Edward Carson (1854–1935)
 * Sir Alfred Wills (1828–1912)
 * John Sandars (1853–1934)
 * Victor Cavendish (1868–1938)
 * Sir Charles Dalrymple, Bt (1839–1916)
 * Amelius Lockwood (1847–1928)
 * Sir Robert Reid (1846–1923)
 * John Sinclair (1860–1925)
 * David Lloyd George (1863–1945)
 * John Burns (1858–1943)
 * Augustine Birrell (1850–1933)
 * Sydney Buxton (1853–1934)
 * Lewis Harcourt (1863–1922)

1906

 * The Earl of Liverpool (1846–1907)
 * The Earl of Sefton (1871–1930)
 * The Earl Beauchamp (1872–1938)
 * Richard Causton (1843–1929)
 * Thomas Shaw (1850–1937)
 * Thomas Burt (1837–1922)
 * Sir Walter Foster (1840–1913)
 * John Ellis (1841–1910)
 * The Duke of Manchester (1877–1947)
 * The Lord Reay (1839–1921)
 * Edmund Robertson (1845–1911)
 * Henry Labouchère (1831–1912)
 * Sir John Moulton (1844–1921)
 * Sir Maurice de Bunsen (1852–1932)
 * Sir George Farwell (1845–1915)
 * Sir John Brunner, Bt (1842–1919)
 * Sir James Kitson, Bt (1835–1911)
 * Sir Francis Mowatt (1837–1919)
 * Sir Cecil Clementi Smith (1840–1916)
 * Robert Farquharson (1836–1918)
 * George William Palmer (1851–1913)
 * Sir Ernest Satow (1843–1929)
 * Sir Henry Buckley (1845–1935)
 * Sir Arthur Kekewich (1832–1907)
 * Sir Claude Macdonald (1852–1915)

1907

 * The Lord Sandhurst (1855–1921)
 * Reginald McKenna (1863–1943)
 * The Lord Allendale (1860–1923)
 * Sir William Rann Kennedy (1846–1915)
 * Winston Churchill (1874–1965)
 * Sir Joseph Ward (1856–1930)
 * Sir Leander Starr Jameson (1853–1917)
 * Sir Frederick Moor (1853–1927)
 * Louis Botha (1862–1919)
 * Sir William Gurdon (1840–1911)
 * Eugene Wason (1846–1927)
 * Robert Spence Watson (1837–1911)
 * The Lord Denman (1874–1954)
 * The Earl of Granard (1874–1948)
 * The Lord Farquhar (1844–1923)
 * George Whiteley (1855–1925)
 * William McEwan (1827–1913)
 * Charles Stuart Parker (1829–1910)
 * George W. E. Russell (1853–1919)
 * Sir Charles Tupper, Bt (1821–1915)

1908

 * The Lord FitzMaurice (1846–1935)
 * Walter Runciman (1870–1949)
 * Thomas Buchanan (1846–1911)
 * Thomas Lough (1850–1922)
 * Sir Gerard Lowther (1858–1916)
 * Alfred Emmott (1858–1926)
 * Sir Thomas Whittaker (1850–1919)
 * Charles Milnes Gaskell (1842–1919)
 * Sir Edward Hamilton (1847–1908)
 * Sir John Edge (1841–1926)
 * Sir Charles Fitzpatrick (1851–1942)
 * The Earl Grey (1851–1917)
 * Sir Fairfax Cartwright (1857–1928)
 * Sir Rennell Rodd (1858–1941)
 * Jack Pease (1860–1943)
 * Herbert Samuel (1870–1963)
 * Sir Charles McLaren, Bt (1850–1934)
 * Sir Edward Clarke (1841–1931)

1909

 * Cosmo Lang (1864–1945)
 * The Lord Northcote (1846–1911)
 * Sir John Bigham (1840–1929)
 * Alexander Ure (1853–1928)
 * Charles Hobhouse (1862–1941)
 * Russell Rea (1846–1916)
 * John X. Merriman (1841–1926)
 * Sir Hudson Kearley, Bt (1856–1934)
 * James Stuart (1843–1913)
 * The Hon. Sir Walter Hely-Hutchinson (1849–1913)
 * Sir Edward Seymour (1840–1929)
 * Sir Edgar Speyer, Bt (1862–1932) Struck off 1921
 * Sir Henry Roscoe (1833–1915)
 * J. E. B. Seely (1868–1947)
 * James Tomkinson (1840–1910)
 * Syed Ameer Ali (1849–1928)

1910

 * The Hon. Ivor Guest (1873–1939)

title: List of Privy Counsellors (1901–1910)


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Wind River (Wyoming)

The Wind River is the name applied to the upper reaches of the Bighorn River in Wyoming in the United States. The Wind River is 185 mi long. The two rivers are sometimes referred to as the Wind/Bighorn.

Course
Its headwaters are at Wind River Lake in the Rocky Mountains, near the summit of Togwotee Pass (pronounced TOH-guh-tee) and gathers water from several forks along the northeast side of the Wind River Range in west central Wyoming. It flows southeastward, across the Wind River Basin and the Wind River Indian Reservation and joins the Little Wind River near Riverton. Up stream from this confluence, it is known locally as the Big Wind River. It flows northward, through a gap in the Owl Creek Mountains, where the name of the river becomes the Bighorn River. In the Owl Creek Mountains, it is dammed to form Boysen Reservoir. The Wind River officially becomes the Bighorn River at the Wedding of the Waters, on the north side of the Wind River Canyon.

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Language of thought hypothesis

The language of thought hypothesis (LOTH), sometimes known as thought ordered mental expression (TOME), is a view in linguistics, philosophy of mind and cognitive science, forwarded by American philosopher Jerry Fodor. It describes the nature of thought as possessing "language-like" or compositional structure (sometimes known as mentalese). On this view, simple concepts combine in systematic ways (akin to the rules of grammar in language) to build thoughts. In its most basic form, the theory states that thought, like language, has syntax.

Using empirical evidence drawn from linguistics and cognitive science to describe mental representation from a philosophical vantage-point, the hypothesis states that thinking takes place in a language of thought (LOT): cognition and cognitive processes are only 'remotely plausible' when expressed as a system of representations that is "tokened" by a linguistic or semantic structure and operated upon by means of a combinatorial syntax. Linguistic tokens used in mental language describe elementary concepts which are operated upon by logical rules establishing causal connections to allow for complex thought. Syntax as well as semantics have a causal effect on the properties of this system of mental representations.

These mental representations are not present in the brain in the same way as symbols are present on paper; rather, the LOT is supposed to exist at the cognitive level, the level of thoughts and concepts. The LOTH has wide-ranging significance for a number of domains in cognitive science. It relies on a version of functionalist materialism, which holds that mental representations are actualized and modified by the individual holding the propositional attitude, and it challenges eliminative materialism and connectionism. It implies a strongly rationalist model of cognition in which many of the fundamentals of cognition are innate.

Presentation
The hypothesis applies to thoughts that have propositional content, and is not meant to describe everything that goes on in the mind. It appeals to the representational theory of thought to explain what those tokens actually are and how they behave. There must be a mental representation that stands in some unique relationship with the subject of the representation and has specific content. Complex thoughts get their semantic content from the content of the basic thoughts and the relations that they hold to each other. Thoughts can only relate to each other in ways that do not violate the syntax of thought. The syntax by means of which these two sub-parts are combined can be expressed in first-order predicate calculus.

The thought "John is tall" is clearly composed of two sub-parts, the concept of John and the concept of tallness, combined in a manner that may be expressed in first-order predicate calculus as a predicate 'T' ("is tall") that holds of the entity 'j' (John). A fully articulated proposal for what a LOT would have to take into account greater complexities such as quantification and propositional attitudes (the various attitudes people can have towards statements; for example I might believe or see or merely suspect that John is tall).

Precepts

 * 1) There can be no higher cognitive processes without mental representation. The only plausible psychological models represent higher cognitive processes as representational and computational thought needs a representational system as an object upon which to compute. We must therefore attribute a representational system to organisms for cognition and thought to occur.
 * 2) There is causal relationship between our intentions and our actions. Because mental states are structured in a way that causes our intentions to manifest themselves by what we do, there is a connection between how we view the world and ourselves and what we do.

Reception
The language of thought hypothesis has been both controversial and groundbreaking. Some philosophers reject the LOTH, arguing that our public language is our mental language—a person who speaks English thinks in English. But others contend that complex thought is present even in those who do not possess a public language (e.g. babies, aphasics, and even higher-order primates), and therefore some form of mentalese must be innate.

The notion that mental states are causally efficacious diverges from behaviorists like Gilbert Ryle, who held that there is no break between the cause of mental state and effect of behavior. Rather, Ryle proposed that people act in some way because they are in a disposition to act in that way, that these causal mental states are representational. An objection to this point comes from John Searle in the form of biological naturalism, a non-representational theory of mind that accepts the causal efficacy of mental states. Searle divides intentional states into low-level brain activity and high-level mental activity. The lower-level, nonrepresentational neurophysiological processes have causal power in intention and behavior rather than some higher-level mental representation.

Tim Crane, in his book The Mechanical Mind, states that, while he agrees with Fodor, his reason is very different. A logical objection challenges LOTH’s explanation of how sentences in natural languages get their meaning. That is the view that “Snow is white” is TRUE if and only if P is TRUE in the LOT, where P means the same thing in LOT as “Snow is white” means in the natural language. Any symbol manipulation is in need of some way of deriving what those symbols mean. If the meaning of sentences is explained regarding sentences in the LOT, then the meaning of sentences in LOT must get their meaning from somewhere else. There seems to be an infinite regress of sentences getting their meaning. Sentences in natural languages get their meaning from their users (speakers, writers). Therefore, sentences in mentalese must get their meaning from the way in which they are used by thinkers and so on ad infinitum. This regress is often called the homunculus regress.

Daniel Dennett accepts that homunculi may be explained by other homunculi and denies that this would yield an infinite regress of homunculi. Each explanatory homunculus is “stupider” or more basic than the homunculus it explains, but this regress is not infinite but bottoms out at a basic level that is so simple that it does not need interpretation. John Searle points out that it still follows that the bottom-level homunculi are manipulating some sorts of symbols.

LOTH implies that the mind has some tacit knowledge of the logical rules of inference and the linguistic rules of syntax (sentence structure) and semantics (concept or word meaning). If LOTH cannot show that the mind knows that it is following the particular set of rules in question, then the mind is not computational because it is not governed by computational rules. Also, the apparent incompleteness of this set of rules in explaining behavior is pointed out. Many conscious beings behave in ways that are contrary to the rules of logic. Yet this irrational behavior is not accounted for by any rules, showing that there is at least some behavior that does not act by this set of rules.

Another objection within representational theory of mind has to do with the relationship between propositional attitudes and representation. Dennett points out that a chess program can have the attitude of “wanting to get its queen out early,” without having representation or rule that explicitly states this. A multiplication program on a computer computes in the computer language of 1’s and 0’s, yielding representations that do not correspond with any propositional attitude.

Susan Schneider has recently developed a version of LOT that departs from Fodor's approach in numerous ways. In her book, The Language of Thought: a New Philosophical Direction, Schneider argues that Fodor's pessimism about the success of cognitive science is misguided, and she outlines an approach to LOT that integrates LOT with neuroscience. She also stresses that LOT is not wedded to the extreme view that all concepts are innate. She fashions a new theory of mental symbols, and a related two-tiered theory of concepts, in which a concept's nature is determined by its LOT symbol type and its meaning.

Connection to connectionism
Connectionism is an approach to artificial intelligence that often accepts a lot of the same theoretical framework that LOTH accepts, namely that mental states are computational and causally efficacious and very often that they are representational. However, connectionism stresses the possibility of thinking machines, most often realized as artificial neural networks, an inter-connectional set of nodes, and describes mental states as able to create memory by modifying the strength of these connections over time. Some popular types of neural networks are interpretations of units, and learning algorithm. "Units" can be interpreted as neurons or groups of neurons. A learning algorithm is such that, over time, a change in connection weight is possible, allowing networks to modify their connections. Connectionist neural networks are able to change over time via their activation. An activation is a numerical value that represents any aspect of a unit that a neural network has at any time. Activation spreading is the spreading or taking over of other over time of the activation to all other units connected to the activated unit.

Since connectionist models can change over time, supporters of connectionism claim that it can solve the problems that LOTH brings to classical AI. These problems are those that show that machines with a LOT syntactical framework very often are much better at solving problems and storing data than human minds, yet much worse at things that the human mind is quite adept at such as recognizing facial expressions and objects in photographs and understanding nuanced gestures. Fodor defends LOTH by arguing that a connectionist model is just some realization or implementation of the classical computational theory of mind and therein necessarily employs a symbol-manipulating LOT.

Fodor and Zenon Pylyshyn use the notion of cognitive architecture in their defense. Cognitive architecture is the set of basic functions of an organism with representational input and output. They argue that it is a law of nature that cognitive capacities are productive, systematic and inferentially coherent—they have the ability to produce and understand sentences of a certain structure if they can understand one sentence of that structure. A cognitive model must have a cognitive architecture that explains these laws and properties in some way that is compatible with the scientific method. Fodor and Pylyshyn say that cognitive architecture can only explain the property of systematicity by appealing to a system of representations and that connectionism either employs a cognitive architecture of representations or else does not. If it does, then connectionism uses LOT. If it does not then it is empirically false.

Connectionists have responded to Fodor and Pylyshyn by denying that connectionism uses LOT, by denying that cognition is essentially a function that uses representational input and output or denying that systematicity is a law of nature that rests on representation. Some connectionists have developed implementational connectionist models that can generalize in a symbolic fashion by incorporating variables.

Empirical testing
Since LOTH came to be it has been empirically tested. Not all experiments have confirmed the hypothesis;

 * In 1971, Roger Shepard and Jacqueline Metzler tested Pylyshyn's particular hypothesis that all symbols are understood by the mind in virtue of their fundamental mathematical descriptions. Shepard and Metzler's experiment consisted of showing a group of subjects a 2-D line drawing of a 3-D object, and then that same object at some rotation. According to Shepard and Metzler, if Pylyshyn were correct, then the amount of time it took to identify the object as the same object would not depend on the degree of rotation of the object. Their finding that the time taken to recognize the object was proportional to its rotation contradicts this hypothesis.
 * There may be a connection between prior knowledge of what relations hold between objects in the world and the time it takes subjects to recognize the same objects. For example, it is more likely that subjects will not recognize a hand that is rotated in such a way that it would be physically impossible for an actual hand. It has since also been empirically tested and supported that the mind might better manipulate mathematical descriptions in topographical wholes. These findings have illuminated what the mind is not doing in terms of how it manipulates symbols.
 * Certain deaf adults who neither have capability to learn a spoken language nor have access to a sign language, known as home signers, in fact communicate with both others like them and the outside world using gestures and self-created signing. Although they have no experience in language or how it works, they are able to conceptualize more than iconic words but move into the abstract, suggesting that they could understand that before creating a gesture to show it. Ildefonso, a homesigner who learned a main sign language at twenty-seven years of age, found that although his thinking became easier to communicate, he had lost his ability to communicate with other homesigners as well as recall how his thinking worked without language.
 * Other studies that have been done to discover what thought processes could be non-lingual include a study done in 1969 by Berlin and Kay which indicated that the color spectrum was perceived the same no matter how many words a language had for different colors, and a study done in 1981 and fixed 1983 which alluded, that counterfactuals are processed at the same rate, ease of conveying through words notwithstanding.
 * Maurits (2011) describes an experiment to measure the word order of the language of thought by the relative time needed to recall the verb, agent, and patient of an event. It turned out that the agent was recalled most quickly and the verb least quickly, leading to a conclusion of a subject–object–verb language of thought (SOVLOT). Surprisingly, some languages, e.g., Persian language, have this ordering form, meaning that the brain needs less energy to convert the concepts in this languages into the thought concepts.

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List of Privy Counsellors (1936–1952)

This is a List of Privy Counsellors of the United Kingdom appointed between the accession of King Edward VIII in 1936 and the death of King George VI in 1952.

Edward VIII, 1936

 * Sir Akbar Hydari (1869–1942)
 * Sir George Rich (1863–1956)
 * The Duke of Norfolk (1908–1975)
 * Michael Joseph Savage (1872–1940)
 * The Earl De La Warr (1900–1976)
 * John Colville (1894–1954)
 * Euan Wallace (1892–1941)
 * The Duke of Beaufort (1900–1984)
 * The Duke of Sutherland (1888–1963)
 * The Hon. Alec Hardinge (1894–1960)
 * William Morrison (1893–1961)

1937

 * The Lord Hutchison of Montrose (1873–1950)
 * Robert Menzies (1894–1978)
 * John Stephen Curlewis (1863–1940)
 * The Duke of Buccleuch (1894–1973)
 * Sir Harry Eve (1856–1940)
 * Sir Nevile Henderson (1882–1942)
 * Prince George, Duke of Kent (1902–1942)
 * Leslie Burgin (1887–1945)
 * Ernest Lapointe (1876–1941)
 * Sir Patrick Duncan (1870–1943)
 * The Viscount Galway (1882–1943)
 * The Lord Gowrie (1872–1955)
 * The Lord Tweedsmuir (1875–1940)
 * Sir Felix Cassel, Bt (1869–1953)
 * Isaac Foot (1880–1960)
 * Sir George Courthope, Bt (1877–1955)
 * Frederick Pethick-Lawrence (1871–1962)
 * The Hon. Sir Hugh O'Neill (1883–1982)
 * The Lord Snell (1865–1944)
 * Sir Frank MacKinnon (1871–1946)
 * Sir Thomas Horridge (1857–1938)
 * Sir George Talbot (1861–1938)
 * Sir Robert Craigie (1883–1959)

1938

 * Sir John Anderson (1882–1958)
 * Robert Hudson (1886–1957)
 * The Earl of Lucan (1860–1949)
 * Sir Albert Clauson (1870–1946)
 * The Lord Porter (1877–1956)
 * James Stratford (1869–1952)
 * Sir Donald Somervell (1889–1960)
 * The Viscount Finlay (1875–1945)
 * Sir Fairfax Luxmoore (1876–1944)
 * Sir Rayner Goddard (1877–1971)
 * Sir Herbert du Parcq (1880–1949)

1939

 * The Viscount Chilston (1876–1947)
 * Rab Butler (1902–1982)
 * Harry Crookshank (1893–1961)
 * Sir Reginald Dorman-Smith (1899–1977)
 * The Lord Chatfield (1873–1967)
 * M. R. Jayakar (1873–1959)
 * Richard Casey (1890–1976)
 * The Hon. James Stuart (1897–1971)
 * Herwald Ramsbotham (1887–1971)
 * Sir Philip Macdonell (1873–1940)
 * The Marquess of Lothian (1882–1940)
 * The Lord Hankey (1877–1963)
 * Geoffrey Fisher (1887–1972)
 * Sir Ronald Campbell (1883–1953)
 * Nicolaas Jacobus de Wet (1873–1960)

1940

 * Sir Andrew Duncan (1884–1952)
 * Sir George Branson (1871–1951)
 * Sir John Reith (1889–1971)
 * The Lord Woolton (1883–1964)
 * Ernest Bevin (1881–1951)
 * Brendan Bracken (1901–1958)
 * Sir Walter Citrine (1887–1983)
 * Ronald Cross (1896–1968)
 * Hugh Dalton (1887–1962)
 * Sir Charles Edwards (1867–1954)
 * Sir Percy Harris, Bt (1876–1952)
 * Sir Robert Vansittart (1881–1957)
 * Peter Fraser (1884–1950)
 * The Duke of Hamilton (1903–1973)
 * Viscount Cranborne (1893–1972)
 * John Moore-Brabazon (1884–1964)
 * Oliver Lyttelton (1893–1972)
 * Arthur Blaikie Purvis (1890–1941)

1941

 * Douglas Clifton Brown (1879–1958)
 * Sir Walter Womersley (1878–1961)
 * Sir Arthur Salter (1881–1975)
 * Frederick Leathers (1883–1965)
 * John Llewellin (1893–1957)
 * Vincent Massey (1887–1967)
 * James Reid (1890–1975)
 * Sir Miles Lampson (1880–1964)
 * The Hon. Sir Stafford Cripps (1889–1952)
 * Raoul Dandurand (1861–1942)
 * Gwilym Lloyd George (1894–1967)
 * Harold Balfour (1897–1988)
 * Tom Williams (1888–1967)
 * Sir Sidney Abrahams (1885–1957)
 * Sir Chettur Madhavan Nair (1879–1970)

1942

 * Harold Macmillan (1894–1986)
 * Sir James Grigg (1890–1964)
 * The Lord Portal (1885–1949)
 * John Curtin (1885–1945)
 * Arthur Fadden (1894–1973)
 * H. V. Evatt (1894–1965)
 * Cyril Garbett (1875–1955)
 * George Hall (1881–1965)

1943

 * Richard Law (1901–1980)
 * Osbert Peake (1897–1966)
 * William Whiteley (1882–1955)
 * The Lord Cherwell (1886–1957)
 * The Lord Templemore (1880–1953)
 * Geoffrey Lloyd (1902–1984)
 * Joseph Westwood (1884–1948)
 * Harcourt Johnstone (1895–1945)
 * Sir Alan Lascelles (1887–1981)
 * The Viscount Wavell (1883–1950)
 * Henry Willink (1894–1973)
 * Ernest Frederick Watermeyer (1880–1958)
 * Ben Smith (1879–1964)

1944

 * Ralph Assheton (1901–1984)
 * Sir Archibald Clark Kerr (1882–1951)
 * William Mabane (1895–1969)
 * Wilfred Paling (1883–1971)
 * Charles Waterhouse (1893–1975)
 * Sir Gavin Simonds (1881–1971)
 * James Chuter Ede (1882–1965)
 * Frank Forde (1890–1983)
 * The Hon. Sir Geoffrey Lawrence (1880–1971)
 * Sir John Beaumont (1877–1974)
 * Sir Fergus Morton (1887–1973)
 * Duncan Sandys (1908–1987)
 * Sir Edward Grigg (1879–1955)

1945

 * Florence Horsbrugh (1889–1969)
 * Ellen Wilkinson (1891–1947)
 * The Lord Croft (1881–1947)
 * Jack Lawson (1881–1965)
 * James Milner (1889–1967)
 * Sir Geoffrey Shakespeare, Bt (1893–1980)
 * Will Thorne (1857–1946)
 * Graham White (1880–1965)
 * Sir Richard Hopkins (1880–1955)
 * The Earl of Rosebery (1882–1974)
 * Sir David Maxwell Fyfe (1900–1967)
 * Ben Chifley (1885–1951)
 * Alfred Barnes (1887–1974)
 * George Isaacs (1883–1979)
 * John Wilmot (1893–1964)
 * Aneurin Bevan (1897–1960)
 * Manny Shinwell (1884–1986)
 * George Thomson (1893–1962)
 * William Wand (1885–1977)
 * The Lord Winster (1885–1961)
 * Jim Griffiths (1890–1975)
 * Sir Cuthbert Headlam, Bt (1876–1964)
 * Malcolm McCorquodale (1901–1971)
 * Lewis Silkin (1889–1972)
 * George Tomlinson (1890–1952)
 * Ted Williams (1890–1963)
 * The Lord Ammon (1873–1960)
 * The Duke of Abercorn (1869–1953)
 * Jan Hendrik Hofmeyr (1894–1948)
 * Sir James Tucker (1888–1975)
 * Gideon Brand van Zyl (1873–1956)
 * Philip Noel-Baker (1889–1982)
 * Sir Alfred Townsend Bucknill (1880–1963)

1946

 * Jack Beasley (1895–1949)
 * Sir Travers Humphreys (1867–1956)
 * James Lorimer Ilsley (1894–1967)
 * Bill Jordan (1879–1959)
 * Walter Nash (1882–1968)
 * Louis St. Laurent (1882–1973)
 * The Lord Uthwatt (1879–1949)
 * The Hon. Sir Cyril Asquith (1890–1954)
 * Sir Lionel Cohen (1888–1973)
 * John Strachey (1901–1963)
 * The Hon. Sir Alexander Cadogan (1884–1968)
 * The Viscount Mersey (1872–1956)
 * C. D. Howe (1886–1960)
 * The Earl of Listowel (1906–1997)
 * Sir Hartley Shawcross (1902–2003)
 * The Lord Nathan (1889–1963)
 * Frederick Bellenger (1894–1968)
 * Arthur Creech Jones (1891–1964)
 * Hector McNeil (1907–1955)

1947

 * Clement Davies (1884–1962)
 * James Gardiner (1883–1962)
 * Glenvil Hall (1887–1962)
 * Arthur Henderson (1893–1968)
 * Ian Alistair Mackenzie (1890–1949)
 * Charles Key (1883–1964)
 * The Earl Mountbatten of Burma (1900–1979)
 * The Lord Inman (1892–1979)
 * Lord Moncrieff (1870–1949)
 * Sir Frederic Wrottesley (1880–1948)
 * Sir Raymond Evershed (1899–1966)
 * John MacDermott (1896–1979)
 * Sir Norman Birkett (1883–1962)
 * The Lord Catto (1879–1959)
 * Ness Edwards (1897–1968)
 * Sir Godfrey Huggins (1883–1971)
 * George Mathers (1886–1965)
 * Harold Wilson (1916–1995)
 * Thibaudeau Rinfret (1879–1962)
 * Hugh Gaitskell (1906–1963)
 * John Wheatley (1908–1988)
 * Arthur Woodburn (1890–1978)
 * George Strauss (1901–1993)

1948

 * George Buchanan (1890–1955)
 * David Kirkwood (1872–1955)
 * William McKell (1891–1985)
 * Sir Malcolm Macnaghten (1869–1955)
 * George Heaton Nicholls (1876–1959)
 * Sir Humphrey O'Leary (1886–1953)
 * The Lord Pakenham (1905–2001)
 * Sir Frank Soskice (1902–1979)
 * Sir John Singleton (1885–1957)
 * Sir Alfred Denning (1899–1999)

1949

 * The Lord Hailey (1872–1969)
 * Hilary Marquand (1901–1972)
 * Edith Summerskill (1901–1980)
 * Sir David Jenkins (1899–1969)
 * The Lord Radcliffe (1899–1977)
 * John Dugdale (1905–1963)
 * Sir Oliver Franks (1905–1992)
 * The Lord Morrison (1881–1953)
 * Lord Patrick (1889–1967)
 * Sir Lionel Leach (1883–1960)

1950

 * Sir Ronald Campbell (1890–1983)
 * Jack Holloway (1875–1967)
 * D. S. Senanayake (1883–1952)
 * Patrick Gordon Walker (1907–1980)
 * Maurice Webb (1904–1956)
 * Richard Stokes (1897–1957)
 * Sidney Holland (1893–1961)
 * The Lord Henderson (1891–1984)

1951

 * Sir Owen Dixon (1886–1972)
 * The Earl of Drogheda (1884–1957)
 * The Lord Macdonald of Gwaenysgor (1888–1966)
 * Sir Charles Hodson (1895–1984)
 * Alfred Robens (1910–1999)
 * George Brown (1914–1985)
 * Sir John Morris (1896–1979)
 * David Grenfell (1881–1968)
 * The Hon. Kenneth Younger (1908–1976)
 * The Lord Ogmore (1903–1976)
 * The Lord Ismay (1887–1965)
 * Sir Walter Monckton (1891–1965)
 * Patrick Buchan-Hepburn (1901–1974)
 * Selwyn Lloyd (1904–1978)
 * Peter Thorneycroft (1909–1994)
 * The Lord de L'Isle and Dudley (1909–1991)
 * James Thomas (1903–1960)
 * David Eccles (1904–1999)
 * Anthony Head (1906–1983)
 * Sir Thomas Dugdale, Bt (1897–1977)
 * Alan Lennox-Boyd (1904–1983)
 * James Latham Clyde (1898–1975)
 * The Earl of Home (1903–1995)
 * Princess Elizabeth, Duchess of Edinburgh (1926-2022)
 * Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh (1921–2021)
 * Sir Charles Romer (1897–1969)
 * Arthur Bottomley (1907–1995)
 * Douglas Jay (1907–1996)
 * The Lord Shepherd (1881–1954)
 * Robert Taylor (1881–1954)

1952

 * Sir Ulick Alexander (1889–1973)
 * Charles Williams (1886–1955)

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 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Not moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:38, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * L'Arc-en-Ciel → L'Arc~en~Ciel

Per discussion above Talk:L'Arc-en-Ciel/Archive 1. This title should be used in each article where it is mentioned as the official: L'Arc-en-Ciel discography → L'Arc~en~Ciel discography, The Best of L'Arc-en-Ciel 1994–1998 → The Best of L'Arc~en~Ciel 1994–1998, Dune (L'Arc-en-Ciel album) → Dune (L'Arc~en~Ciel album), etc.Also, should have powerful arguments for his actions, because 1) he did not make a topic for discuss it before that mass renamings, but it was his responsibility to give reasonable grounds for such non-obvious renaming 2) and he could explain why he started this "crusade" against tildes in the titles. — Al3xil ✉  23:58, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose rename/move. The manual of style should take precedent with the titles of articles.  There are various uses of both "L'Arc-en-ciel" and "L'Arc~en~Ciel" by the band itself on album covers, websites, etc., that "L'Arc~en~Ciel" is it not an exception to the guidelines.  If the band was more consistent with its band name usage, then I could see the argument.  From WP:MOSTM: Avoid using special characters that are not pronounced, are included purely for decoration, or simply substitute for English words (e.g., ♥ used for "love").   on  camera (t)  01:09, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Tilde (~) is not a "special character for decoration". Look at the Keyboard, if you can not see it on your keyboard. And if ~ does not accepted why there is Natsu no Yuutsu ~Time to Say Goodbye~ and Shinshoku ~Lose Control~, double standard? And URLs does not used titles. — Al3xil ✉  01:57, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Look at the article for ~ and Japanese punctuation. In Japanese, the wave dash is also used to separate a title and a subtitle in the same line, as a colon is used in English and To mark subtitles: 〜概要〜.  The ~ is being used in place of a colon or as a subtitle in the case of the song titles.  That is not the case with the band name; it is being used for decoration reasons.    on  camera (t)  02:33, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

 * Oppose as the tilde is just used for decoration. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:06, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose per MOS:TM 70.29.211.138 (talk) 05:09, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok, the tilde is often used for decoration, but no always. Also it's there official name. the tilde is in standard English keyboards and it's used for many other things other than just spacing. Either way the official name is with the tilde,

oncamera:as i said before, the name with the tildes are it's official name and they are most commonly known as such. URL addresses do not count because hey do not use tildes.

Nihonjoe: just read what i said to oncamera

and mysterious IP user: MOS:TM hardly takes any affect. only due to punctuation, capitalization (which is the same as punctuation) and formatting. no formating is needed, and the word is in french and this isnt a trademark product, it's aname of a band.

There is absolutely nothin wrong with making L'Arc~en~ciel the official title and L'Arc-en-ciel as a redirect.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:56, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose. See also WP:OFFICIAL.  Also, you lose a WikiLife for the "not a trademark" argument.  81.111.114.131 (talk) 23:48, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

WP:OFFICIAL only comes in when the naming conventions wasn't enough, either way, they asked for "Common name" which is L'Arc~en~ciel and WP:OFFICIAL barely says anything. And what i meant to say about trademark, was that it's more of a band name than a trademark name, it's not like an iPod or eBay, it's a name for a group of people. I don't know what "WikiLife" is, but since your just a mysterious IP user, I'm not going to take it seriously.

Also WP:OFFICIAL seems to hint official names that are in an other language and not on just official names in general. L'Arc~en~ciel is most commonly known as L'Arc~en~ciel, almost everyone spells it like so even in English, and the name has no foreign characters, all of them are standard English keys.

In order to use WP:OFFICIAL we must also go by WP:COMMONNAME and that ask we find references to what alternative name there is. and of course URL does not count.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm confused. Exactly what part of "Wikipedia does not care about the official name of anything" don't you understand?  81.111.114.131 (talk) 23:33, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Regarding Name change
Mysterious IP user, please make yourself a User so ic an take you seriously, also the article is being collaborated, we can't go any further, also the article asks for the most common name. Also, you're not confused, your simply being stubborn. though, that is the most BS i heard in a while, i will try to talk to admins and such to see if this essay is really worth being a nut shell since it is contradicting WP:OFFICIALNAME that teaches us how to use official name..Bread Ninja (talk) 20:02, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

L'Arc~en~Ciel shows up 6,220,000 times in Google

L'Arc-en-Ciel shows up 4,280,000 times in google. there's no question about it, there's no way to transliterated and the most common name is the one with the tildes. Even if it wasnt the official name, it's still the most common name.Bread Ninja (talk) 20:28, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

 * WP:GOOGLETEST can't be used as the basis for this kind of argument. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:51, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

 * I've seen it a few times and the argument won for this specific type. plus, i read WP:GOOGLETEST, couldn't find whatever was against what i said. Still, the name with the (-) needs to be verified before even placing it. Even if they met consensus, that would have been done first before actually making the change. Bread Ninja (talk) 15:38, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

 * This is purely a punctuation issue, and WP:COMMON doesn't apply. This is the same sort of issue as FunKy CaPitaLIzatiOn. ··· 日本穣 ? ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 16:02, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

 * If it's trully a punctuation issue, than please verify it. otherwise it's considered Original Research. and if it was a punctuation issue the article should have been rewritten aswell.

 * EDIT:also funky capitalization is also known as hacker caps. but again, tildes and dashes are two different charactersBread Ninja (talk) 20:34, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * There's no need to verify this as it is a punctuation issue. There's no verification that can be done. Rehashing the same argument which failed to sway opinion in the move discussion above is not going to get you anywhere. Please drop the issue. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:40, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Don't act like it's a simple as you say. a punctuation issue is always important to be verified when it comes to these types of titles. i wont drop it, until you take it as seriously as i am. please prove that (~) are replacing (-). In other words, find a reliable source calling it "L'Arc-en-Ciel".

 * just like WP:COMMON. punctuation issue or not, which ever is the most common english title get's to be the actual title.Bread Ninja (talk) 15:30, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

 * Wikipedia doesn't care about the official names of things! Get over this; no one wants to keep telling you the same things over and over.  This is about punctuation.  MOS:TM   on  camera (t)  15:41, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm not. because you guys clearly do not understand what I'm saying. Also, the quote where you got that was from an essay, it's not a wikipedia guide. Also, I'm not even basing this off if the name was official. that has nothing to do with it. L'Arc~en~Ciel is the most common name in english. If it truly is a "punctuation" issue, than please "verify" it. Pretty easy. it's all I'm asking. find a source and it can be kept. Don't know why you all are getting irritated so easily.

Punctuations issues like this are not as easy as you think. the tilde is a different character from the dash. you cannot simply say it's a punctuation issue without verifying it.

If it's not verified than it will count as original research. and other users who see this site will go through edit war. (I'm not threatening you that I will make an edit war, i'm warning you that others will do so)Bread Ninja (talk) 15:55, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

also, sorry for the misunderstanding nihonjoe. i meant WP:COMMONNAME.Bread Ninja (talk) 15:57, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * In "L'Arc~en~Ciel", the ~ are being used purely for decoration and improper use of the tilde in Japanese punctuation. Why do you keep saying to verify the use of the dash? The band itself has used it, i.e. Clicked Singles Best 13, Tierra etc.  That's all there is to say,  on  camera (t)  16:13, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

thankyou so much, i didnt notice that. So now all there is needs to be done is fix the articles to say "L'Arc-en-Ciel". Just like the gazettE.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:15, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed. I also archived the old stuff (2004-2009). ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:45, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

 * This was already discussed recently (about five months ago, see the discussion above), and the consensus was to not move it per policy. See that discussion for more details. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WikiProject Japan ! 02:32, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

L& → — Using dashes instead of tildes is spelling the band's name incorrectly. This may spread of misinformation and also defeats the point of the article being an accurate source of information. I can find nothing convincing in the Manual of Style or the previous arguments to warrant the current incorrect spelling. Ruby took (talk) 20:57, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

I strongly agree with the requested move. L'Arc~en~Ciel is a proper name, and is not subject therefore to arbitrary judgments about whether or not it appropriately used the tilde. "[I]nstitutions, towns, colleges, families, companies and brands have authority over their own spelling and punctuation . . ." (Lynne Truss, "Eats Shoots & Leaves: The Zero Tolerance Approach to Punctuation," pg. 57)

The most important evidence that L'Arc~en~Ciel is supposed to be spelled with a tilde comes from Tetsu's book, Tetsugaku (kindly translated by Nanani, found here http://dekiruhito.com/node/25.) In Chapter 34, "Osaka Era," Tetsu writes:

"The four of us got together, and we had to think of a name before we could start doing shows, so we used the name I came up with. I thought hard about whether a simple name would be best or not. At first, I tried to find a simple name, but I didn't find anything that worked. It's long, but seeing it written out has an impact that makes it memorable. That's part of why I thought L'Arc~en~Ciel was a good name. With brands of clothing, too, intricate names work because they're recognizable. I felt that L'Arc~en~Ciel was a long word to remember, but I thought that was all right. Written down, 'L'Arc~' jumps out at you, right? Because of the balance between the capitals and lowercase letters, and because of the ' ' ' and '~'."

Tetsu specifically chose to use tildes because he thought they made the band's name memorable and appealing. That his version of the name was used and continues to be used is apparent in the spelling of the band's name on their products.

All of L'Arc's albums, including the latest album, KISS, use tildes when spelling L'Arc~en~Ciel. Only the three compilations (Clicked Singles 13, Best of & Best of c/w) employ dashes instead. Moreover, the vast majority of their singles display a tilde instead of a dash (the only exceptions are Driver's High, Spirit Dreams Inside, and Stay Away (although this last one does use a tilde when spelling the band's name on the side of the CD.) The latest single, BLESS, spells the band's name with a tilde.

Concert DVDs follow the trend. All concert DVDs, save for "A Piece of Reincarnation," "Grand Cross Conclusion," and "Asialive" use the tilde. Concert DVDs which use the tilde include the latest DVD, "L'7 - Trans Asia Via Paris."

Between the band leader's own words and the spelling on packaging that supports them, there is no doubt that "L'Arc~en~Ciel" is the proper way to spell the band's name. That spelling should therefore be used in the Wikipedia article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alissakuduk (talk • contribs) 18:13, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

 * This has already been discussed and opposed. See the old request.  The article already includes often styled as "L'Arc〜en〜Ciel" in the opening sentencing and that should suffice.  The usage of the tilde is for decoration reasons only.   on  camera (t)  23:59, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Although the issue has already been discussed, I felt that the opposing arguments failed to take important information into account. The use of the tilde is not decorative (see above what Alissakuduk has quoted); it is, rather, the way it's spelled.  I believe that the evidence she quotes from the article is sufficient enough to warrant a page move.

 * In regards to the opening of the article: "often" implies that the correct spelling includes dashes. While typeface restrictions occasionally necessitate dashes, tildes should be used when at all possible.  If there is no reason preventing one from typing "L'Arc~en~Ciel" with tildes, it is not correct to replace the tildes with dashes.  It is prudent to endeavor to be as correct as possible, and encyclopedic content is held to an even higher standard.

 * The Wikipedia article should be accurate; spelling the name with dashes is incorrect and will only spread the misspelling.

 * I have read arguments above along the lines of 'even the band has used the dash' and that 'it is used almost as often'. Yes, there have been occasions when they've printed material with dashes rather than tildes; however, approximately 95% of official published material spells "L'Arc~en~Ciel" with a tilde.  The official website spells it with a tilde.  The Sony Ki/oon website and Danger Crue website spell it with a tilde.  At least twenty-three different publications in Japan have consistently spelled it with a tilde, including but not limited to:

 * Arena 37c
 * B-Pass
 * Band Yaroze
 * CD Data
 * Fool's Mate
 * Gigs
 * The Ichiban
 * J-Rock
 * Pati Pati
 * Pop Beat
 * Oricon Style
 * R&R Newsmaker
 * Rockin' f
 * Rockin on Japan
 * Rock It
 * Shoxx
 * Street Jack
 * Time Limit
 * Vicious
 * Weekly Oricon
 * Weekly Pia
 * What's In
 * Young Song

 * On television broadcasts it is almost always spelled with a tilde (I cannot claim to have seen every single television broadcast. However, I have seen at least fifty different broadcasts, none of which use a dash onscreen.  These include:

 * AX Music TV
 * CDTV
 * FNS
 * Hey!Hey!Hey!
 * Hot Wave
 * Kouhaku (yearly)
 * Japan Broadcasting Awards (yearly)
 * Japan Record Award (yearly)
 * Love Love Aishiteru
 * M-Navi
 * Matthew's Best Hits
 * Mezamashi
 * Music Clique
 * Music Fighter
 * M-On
 * Music Japan
 * Music Park
 * Music Station
 * News & Countdown
 * P-Stock
 * PaPaPa Puffy
 * Pop File
 * Pop Jam
 * Pop Shake
 * Pussuma
 * Sound Mania
 * Sound Street
 * Utaban
 * Uta no Daijiten
 * Video Jam
 * Yokohama 16ers

 * Concert goods, photobooks, and their fan magazine spell "L'Arc~en~Ciel" with tildes as well. If you require photographic proof, I can provide screencaps or links to pictures.

 * In addition to the spelling argument, I will also point out that there is overwhelming evidence pointing to "L'Arc~en~Ciel" as the most common and recognizable form of the name, which I believe qualifies it to be the title of the article by Wikipedia rules as well.

 * For example, http://musicbrainz.org, a music tag/information database, lists L'Arc~en~Ciel as the correct tag/spelling, which is significant because it is the most widely used tagging database.
 * Ruby took (talk) 05:26, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

 * The tilde is decoration. Not a "correct" spelling.  Also, see Sock puppetry.   on  camera (t)  00:07, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Did you read anything I wrote? Or that Alissakuduk wrote?  Because regardless of your opinion on how it should be spelled, "L'Arc~en~Ciel" is still the most common and well known form of the name, and therefore according to Wikipedia rules, should be used.  I believe I have presented overwhelming evidence to support that "L'Arc~en~Ciel" is the most well-known form of the name.

 * As I have stated, the point of the article is to provide correct information and the misspelling is counter to this objective.

 * Sock puppetry. That's a very charming argument to use when you don't want to actually respond to any points brought up; but I don't need to create more than one account to prove my point. I do know Alissakuduk, which is why she knew promptly about my request.  I saw you use this same argument against someone in the last debate too, and I was in fact, expecting it.  I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I have one account, and it is this one.  Try addressing one of my points, or better yet, try responding to Alissakuduk's quote from the band leader about the spelling.  That in itself should warrant the move entirely on its own.
 * Ruby took (talk) 01:59, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

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Where did the band's name come from?
Anyone know? TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  23:06, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

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List of Privy Counsellors (1910–1936)

This is a List of Privy Counsellors of the United Kingdom appointed during the reign of King George V, from 1910 to 1936. The first woman to serve on the council, Margaret Bondfield, was appointed during this period (1929).

1910

 * Sir Samuel Evans (1859–1918)
 * Prince Arthur of Connaught (1883–1938)
 * The Lord Knollys (1837–1924)
 * The Hon. Sir William Carington (1845–1914)
 * Sir Arthur Bigge (1849–1931)
 * Sir William Robson (1852–1918)
 * The Lord Sheffield (1839–1925)
 * Sir George Murray (1849–1936)
 * Sir William Mather (1838–1920)
 * Ronald Munro-Ferguson (1860–1934)
 * James Caldwell (1839–1925)
 * Sir George Buchanan (1854–1924)

1911

 * Sir Charles Swann, Bt (1844–1929)
 * Sir Joseph Compton-Rickett (1847–1919)
 * William Abraham (1842–1922)
 * John Frederick Cheetham (1835–1916)
 * Abraham Fischer (1850–1913)
 * The Master of Elibank (1870–1920)
 * The Lord Kinnear (1833–1917)
 * Sir Edward Morris (1859–1935)
 * Sir Vezey Strong (1857–1920)
 * Sir William Anson, Bt (1843–1914)
 * Sir Frederick Pollock, Bt (1845–1937)
 * Sir John Rhys (1840–1915)
 * Sir Rufus Isaacs (1860–1935)
 * Thomas McKinnon Wood (1855–1927)
 * Thomas Macnamara (1861–1931)
 * John Henry Whitley (1866–1935)
 * Charles Fenwick (1850–1918)
 * John Wilson (1858–1932)
 * Bonar Law (1858–1923)
 * William Fisher (1853–1920)
 * Laurence Hardy (1854–1933)
 * F. E. Smith (1872–1930)
 * Frederick Huth Jackson (1863–1921)
 * The Lord Islington (1866–1936)
 * Andrew Fisher (1862–1928)

1912

 * The Earl of Durham (1855–1928)
 * The Lord Lucas and Dingwall (1876–1916)
 * Robert Borden (1854–1937)
 * Sir Francis Hopwood (1860–1947)
 * George Lambert (1866–1958)
 * Charles Allen (1861–1930)
 * Thomas Ferens (1847–1930)
 * The Lord Strachie (1858–1936)
 * Lord Richard Cavendish (1871–1946)
 * Sir Henry Primrose (1846–1923)
 * Charles Masterman (1873–1927)
 * Sir David Brynmor Jones (1851–1921)
 * Sir Henry Dalziel (1868–1935)
 * Sir Albert Spicer, Bt (1847–1934)
 * Sir John Lawrance (1832–1912)
 * Sir John Hamilton (1859–1934)
 * Sir Conyngham Greene (1854–1934)

1913

 * The Earl of Desart (1848–1934)
 * Sir John Simon (1873–1954)
 * The Lord Parker of Waddington (1857–1918)
 * Sir Cecil Spring Rice (1859–1918)
 * The Lord Welby (1832–1915)
 * Herbert Lewis (1858–1933)
 * Sir Alfred Mond, Bt (1868–1930)
 * Sir Charles Swinfen Eady (1851–1919)
 * Sir Louis du Pan Mallet (1864–1936)
 * Sir Arthur Hardinge (1859–1933)
 * Sir Joshua Williams (1837–1915)
 * Sir Walter Phillimore, Bt (1845–1929)
 * Robert Munro (1868–1955)

1914

 * The Lord Parmoor (1852–1941)
 * Sir Guy Fleetwood Wilson (1850–1940)
 * William Massey (1856–1925)
 * Willoughby Dickinson (1859–1943)
 * The Lord Colebrooke (1861–1939)
 * Sir William Pickford (1848–1923)
 * Sir Arthur Channell (1838–1928)
 * The Lord St Davids (1860–1938)
 * Sir Thomas Bucknill (1845–1915)
 * Harold Tennant (1865–1935)
 * Ellis Jones Griffith (1860–1926)
 * Joseph Cook (1860–1947)
 * The Earl Kitchener (1850–1916)
 * Prince Louis of Battenberg (1854–1921)
 * Sir Frederick Ponsonby (1867–1935)

1915

 * Arthur Henderson (1863–1935)
 * Sir William MacGregor (1846–1919)
 * Sir James Rose Innes (1855–1942)
 * Sir Eldon Bankes (1854–1946)
 * The Hon. Edwin Montagu (1879–1924)
 * Sir Thomas Warrington (1851–1937)
 * Sir Stanley Buckmaster (1861–1934)
 * Sir John Jordan (1852–1925)
 * Lord Robert Cecil (1864–1958)
 * The Lord Newton (1857–1942)
 * Francis Acland (1874–1939)
 * Harold Baker (1877–1960)
 * Sir George Cave (1856–1928)
 * Henry Duke (1855–1939)
 * J. M. Robertson (1856–1933)

1916

 * Sir Matthew Joyce (1839–1930)
 * Sir Frederick Banbury, Bt (1850–1936)
 * Sir Daniel Goddard (1850–1922)
 * George Barnes (1859–1940)
 * Will Crooks (1852–1921)
 * Leverton Harris (1864–1926)
 * Donald Maclean (1864–1932)
 * Sir Hugh Jenkins (1858–1928)
 * The Lord Chelmsford (1868–1933)
 * Billy Hughes (1862–1952)
 * Francis Mildmay (1861–1947)
 * Christopher Addison (1869–1951)
 * C. W. Bowerman (1851–1947)
 * Sir Gilbert Parker, Bt (1862–1932)
 * Sir Harry Samuel (1853–1934)
 * Sir George Foster (1847–1931)
 * John Macdonald (1854–1939)
 * The Earl of Crawford (1871–1940)
 * Sir Thomas Scrutton (1856–1934)
 * The Lord Rhondda (1856–1918)
 * Sir Albert Stanley (1874–1948)
 * John Hodge (1855–1937)
 * Sir Joseph Maclay, Bt (1857–1951)
 * Rowland Prothero (1851–1937)
 * Sir Frederick Cawley, Bt (1850–1937)
 * Albert Illingworth (1865–1942)
 * William Brace (1865–1947)
 * H. A. L. Fisher (1865–1940)
 * James Avon Clyde (1863–1944)

1917

 * The Lord Cowdray (1856–1927)
 * John Gulland (1864–1920)
 * Thomas Wiles (1861–1951)
 * Leif Jones (1862–1939)
 * William Schreiner (1857–1919)
 * Jan Smuts (1870–1950)
 * Lord Claud Hamilton (1843–1925)
 * The Hon. Neil Primrose (1882–1917)
 * Henry Forster (1866–1936)
 * E. G. Pretyman (1859–1931)
 * Sir Evelyn Cecil (1865–1941)
 * Herbert Pease (1867–1949)
 * J. H. Thomas (1874–1949)
 * Thomas Ashton (1844–1927)
 * The Earl of Liverpool (1870–1941)
 * Sir Eric Geddes (1875–1937)
 * George Roberts (1868–1928)
 * Sir Edward Ridley (1843–1928)
 * Sir Bargrave Deane (1848–1919)
 * The Lord Rothermere (1868–1940)
 * Sir Charles Darling (1849–1936)
 * Sir Auckland Geddes (1879–1954)

1918

 * Lord Edmund Talbot (1855–1947)
 * Lord Hugh Cecil (1869–1956)
 * Sir Henry Craik, Bt (1846–1927)
 * Sir Gordon Hewart (1870–1943)
 * Sir Henry Norman, Bt (1858–1939)
 * Thomas Richards (1859–1931)
 * The Lord Beaverbrook (1879–1964)
 * The Lord Pirrie (1847–1924)
 * Sir William Weir (1877–1959)
 * The Viscount French (1852–1925)
 * Edward Shortt (1862–1935)
 * The Earl of Donoughmore (1875–1948)
 * William F. Lloyd (1864–1937)
 * William Adamson (1863–1936)
 * Sir William Bull (1863–1931)
 * Sir Edward Goulding, Bt (1862–1936)
 * Sir Archibald Williamson, Bt (1860–1931)
 * Ian Macpherson (1880–1937)
 * J. R. Clynes (1869–1949)
 * Sir Laming Worthington-Evans, Bt (1868–1931)

1919

 * Andrew Weir (1865–1955)
 * Sir Satyendra Prasanna Sinha (1863–1928)
 * Sir Louis Henry Davies (1845–1924)
 * Sir Lyman Duff (1865–1955)
 * Sir Robert Horne (1871–1940)
 * Sir James Atkin (1867–1944)
 * Sir Horace Brooks Marshall (1865–1936)
 * The Earl of Lytton (1876–1947)
 * The Viscount Peel (1867–1937)
 * The Lord Lee of Fareham (1868–1947)
 * Sir Ralph Paget (1864–1940)
 * Sir Esmé Howard (1863–1939)
 * The Hon. Sir Francis Hyde Villiers (1852–1925)
 * Sir Robert Younger (1861–1946)
 * Sir Tudor Walters (1868–1933)
 * Sir Charles Eliot (1862–1931)

1920

 * Sir Arthur Griffith-Boscawen (1865–1946)
 * The Hon. Freddie Guest (1875–1937)
 * Charles Doherty (1855–1931)
 * Sir Frederick Lugard (1858–1945)
 * Arthur Sifton (1858–1921)
 * William Watt (1871–1946)
 * Sir William Thomas White (1866–1955)
 * Edward, Prince of Wales (1894–1972)
 * Adrian Knox (1863–1932)
 * Sir Hamar Greenwood, Bt (1870–1948)
 * Charles McCurdy (1870–1941)
 * Thomas Morison (1868–1945)
 * Stanley Baldwin (1867–1947)
 * Frederick Kellaway (1870–1933)
 * F. S. Malan (1871–1941)
 * Sir Clifford Allbutt (1836–1925)
 * Sir George Grahame (1873–1940)
 * The Lord d'Abernon (1857–1941)
 * William Bridgeman (1864–1935)
 * Arthur Meighen (1874–1960)
 * Sir Horace Rumbold, Bt (1869–1941)
 * Sir John Tilley (1869–1952)

1921

 * William Burdett-Coutts (1851–1921)
 * Sir Alfred Lawrence (1843–1936)
 * Sir Robert Stout (1844–1930)
 * Sir Edwin Cornwall, Bt (1863–1953)
 * Sir Thomas Smartt (1858–1929)
 * V. S. Srinivasa Sastri (1869–1946)
 * The Duke of Atholl (1871–1942)
 * Sir Ronald Graham (1870–1949)
 * Isaac Isaacs (1855–1948)
 * George Pearce (1870–1952)

1922

 * The Viscount Esher (1852–1930)
 * James Hope (1870–1949)
 * Sir Ernest Pollock, Bt (1861–1936)
 * Charles Murray (1866–1936)
 * The Earl of Ronaldshay (1876–1961)
 * Lord Salvesen (1857–1942)
 * Leo Amery (1873–1955)
 * Leslie Wilson (1876–1955)
 * William Lyon Mackenzie King (1874–1950)
 * The Hon. Edward Wood (1881–1959)
 * Sir Philip Lloyd-Greame (1884–1972)
 * Sir Robert Sanders, Bt (1867–1940)
 * Sir Samuel Hoare, Bt (1880–1959)
 * Sir John Baird, Bt (1874–1941)
 * Sir Anderson Montague-Barlow (1868–1951)
 * George Tryon (1871–1940)
 * Neville Chamberlain (1869–1940)
 * Douglas Hogg (1872–1950)
 * The Hon. William Watson (1873–1948)
 * Sir John Gilmour, Bt (1876–1940)
 * Sir Samuel Roberts, Bt (1852–1926)
 * Sir Archibald Salvidge (1863–1928)
 * Sir William Sutherland (1880–1949)
 * William Dudley Ward (1877–1946)
 * Hilton Young (1879–1960)
 * The Marquess of Bath (1862–1946)
 * The Earl of Cromer (1877–1953)
 * The Earl of Shaftesbury (1869–1961)

1923

 * John Rawlinson (1860–1926)
 * Sir William Joynson-Hicks, Bt (1865–1932)
 * Montagu Norman (1871–1950)
 * George Gibbs (1873–1931)
 * Bolton Eyres-Monsell (1881–1969)
 * Stanley Bruce (1883–1967)
 * William Stevens Fielding (1848–1929)
 * Sir Charles Sargant (1856–1942)

1924

 * The Earl Winterton (1883–1962)
 * The Lord Colwyn (1859–1946)
 * Ronald McNeill (1861–1934)
 * Henry Burton (1866–1935)
 * Ramsay MacDonald (1866–1937)
 * Philip Snowden (1864–1937)
 * Stephen Walsh (1859–1929)
 * Sir Sydney Olivier (1859–1943)
 * The Lord Thomson (1875–1930)
 * Sidney Webb (1859–1947)
 * John Wheatley (1869–1930)
 * Noel Buxton (1869–1948)
 * Charles Trevelyan (1870–1958)
 * Tom Shaw (1872–1938)
 * Vernon Hartshorn (1872–1931)
 * Fred Jowett (1864–1944)
 * Frederick Roberts (1876–1941)
 * Josiah Wedgwood (1872–1943)
 * The Lord Muir-Mackenzie (1845–1930)
 * The Hon. Walter Guinness (1880–1944)
 * The Hon. Edward FitzRoy (1869–1943)
 * Sir George Lloyd (1879–1941)
 * Sir James Agg-Gardner (1846–1928)
 * Sir Herbert Nield (1862–1932)
 * Wilfrid Ashley (1867–1939)
 * Hugh Macmillan (1873–1952)
 * T. P. O'Connor (1848–1929)
 * Sir Lancelot Carnegie (1861–1933)
 * Lord Eustace Percy (1887–1958)
 * Sir Arthur Ramsay-Steel-Maitland, Bt (1876–1935)
 * William Graham (1887–1932)
 * Ben Spoor (1878–1928)
 * Sir William Mitchell-Thomson, Bt (1877–1938)

1925

 * The Marquess of Londonderry (1878–1949)
 * Francis Alexander Anglin (1865–1933)
 * Prince Henry (1900–1974)
 * Prince Albert, Duke of York (1895–1952)
 * William Graham Nicholson (1862–1942)
 * Sir Montague Lush (1853–1930)
 * Sir William Mulock (1843–1944)
 * George Perry Graham (1859–1943)
 * Sir Ronald Lindsay (1877–1945)
 * Sir Beilby Alston (1868–1929)

1926

 * The Lord Bledisloe (1867–1958)
 * The Hon. Stanley Jackson (1870–1947)
 * George Lane-Fox (1870–1947)
 * Gordon Coates (1878–1943)
 * Sir Francis Bell (1851–1936)
 * Sir John Wallis (1861–1946)
 * John Gretton (1867–1947)
 * Sir Halford Mackinder (1861–1947)
 * The Earl of Onslow (1876–1945)
 * The Lord Clinton (1863–1957)
 * Sir Paul Lawrence (1861–1952)
 * Sir George Clerk (1874–1951)
 * Sir Lancelot Sanderson (1863–1944)

1927

 * The Hon. William Ormsby-Gore (1885–1964)
 * Sir Leslie Scott (1869–1950)
 * Sir Malcolm Robertson (1877–1951)
 * The Hon. George Stanley (1872–1938)
 * The Earl Beatty (1871–1936)
 * Sir Arthur Greer (1863–1945)

1928

 * Sir Kingsley Wood (1881–1943)
 * J. C. C. Davidson (1889–1970)
 * Sir John Sankey (1866–1948)
 * Sir William Solomon (1853–1930)
 * The Hon. Frank Russell (1867–1946)
 * Godfrey Locker-Lampson (1875–1946)
 * Sir Colville Barclay (1869–1929)
 * The Earl Granville (1872–1939)
 * Sir William Tyrrell (1866–1947)

1929

 * The Lord Tomlin (1867–1935)
 * Sir George Lowndes (1862–1943)
 * Sir Binod Mitter (1872–1930)
 * William Temple (1881–1944)
 * The Earl Stanhope (1880–1967)
 * Alexander MacRobert (1873–1930)
 * The Lord Dawson of Penn (1864–1945)
 * William Wedgwood Benn (1877–1960)
 * A. V. Alexander (1885–1965)
 * Arthur Greenwood (1880–1954)
 * George Lansbury (1859–1940)
 * Margaret Bondfield (1873–1953)
 * John Hills (1867–1938)
 * Viscount Wolmer (1887–1971)
 * Sir Ellis Hume-Williams, Bt (1863–1947)
 * Herbert Spender-Clay (1875–1937)
 * Earle Page (1880–1962)
 * Sir Henry Slesser (1883–1979)
 * Craigie Aitchison (1882–1941)
 * The Earl Howe (1884–1964)
 * The Earl of Plymouth (1889–1943)
 * Douglas Hacking (1884–1950)
 * Douglas King (1877–1930)
 * Sir Francis Lowe, Bt (1852–1929)
 * Sir Philip Sassoon, Bt (1888–1939)
 * Sir Francis Lindley (1872–1950)
 * Sir Mark Romer (1866–1944)
 * Sir Montague Shearman (1857–1930)
 * Sir John Astbury (1860–1939)

1930

 * James Scullin (1876–1953)
 * The Viscount Goschen (1866–1952)
 * James Brown (1862–1939)
 * Sir William Augustus Forbes Erskine (1871–1952)
 * The Lord Amulree (1860–1942)
 * R. B. Bennett (1870–1947)
 * George Forbes (1869–1947)
 * Sir Richard Squires (1880–1940)
 * Sir Dinshah Fardunji Mulla (1868–1934)
 * Jacob de Villiers (1868–1932)

1931

 * Tom Kennedy (1874–1954)
 * Herbert Morrison (1888–1965)
 * Sir George Halsey Perley (1857–1938)
 * Hastings Lees-Smith (1878–1941)
 * The Earl of Clarendon (1877–1955)
 * The Earl of Bessborough (1880–1956)
 * The Earl of Willingdon (1866–1941)
 * Tom Johnston (1882–1965)
 * The Earl of Athlone (1874–1957)
 * Sir William Jowitt (1885–1957)
 * Sir Archibald Sinclair, Bt (1890–1970)
 * Sir Henry Betterton, Bt (1872–1949)
 * Sir Michael Myers (1873–1950)

1932

 * Walter Elliot (1888–1958)
 * Sir Thomas Inskip (1876–1947)
 * Sir Clive Wigram (1873–1960)
 * The Lord Wright (1869–1964)
 * Sir Sidney Rowlatt (1862–1945)
 * The Lord Stanmore (1871–1957)
 * Joseph Lyons (1879–1939)
 * Sir Frank Gavan Duffy (1852–1936)
 * Sir Horace Avory (1851–1935)
 * Sir Godfrey Collins (1875–1936)

1933

 * John Latham (1877–1964)
 * David Margesson (1890–1965)
 * Sir Dennis Herbert (1869–1947)
 * Sir John Wessels (1862–1936)
 * The Hon. Sir Eric Drummond (1876–1951)
 * Sir Eric Phipps (1875–1945)
 * Wilfrid Normand (1884–1962)
 * Sir Boyd Merriman (1880–1962)
 * Sir Percy Loraine, Bt (1880–1961)

1934

 * The Aga Khan (1877–1957)
 * Sir Tej Bahadur Sapru (1875–1949)
 * Lord Stanley (1894–1938)
 * Sir Frederic Maugham (1866–1958)
 * Sir Shadi Lal (1874–1945)
 * Sir Robert Clive (1877–1948)
 * Anthony Eden (1897–1977)
 * The Hon. Oliver Stanley (1896–1950)
 * Sir Adair Roche (1871–1956)

1935

 * Sir George Rankin (1877–1946)
 * Douglas Jamieson (1880–1952)
 * The Marquess of Linlithgow (1887–1952)
 * Clement Attlee (1883–1967)
 * Leslie Hore-Belisha (1893–1957)
 * Robert Bourne (1888–1938)
 * Malcolm MacDonald (1901–1981)
 * Ernest Brown (1881–1962)
 * Sir Wilfrid Greene (1883–1952)
 * Thomas Cooper (1892–1956)
 * Duff Cooper (1890–1954)

title: List of Privy Counsellors (1910–1936)