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Wiktionary:Information desk/2021/April

What does "overindex" mean here?
From the article: "Huffman also stated that Reddit would review its relevant internal processes and attributed user suspensions to over-indexing on anti-harassment measures." Equinox ◑ 09:12, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The statement by the CEO of reddit said, “We’ve put significant effort into improving how we handle doxxing and harassment, and this employee was the subject of both. In this case, we over-indexed on protection, which had serious consequences in terms of enforcement actions.” I can’t speak for the author, but one guess is that to index here means to assign a level of importance, and that the over- prefix means that they now think they went over the top (and, as a consequence, overreacted). But perhaps it means something like to instate measures in reddit corporate jargon, who knows. --Lambiam 16:08, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Quotations
I have a question about quotations. Is it better to have quotations in all entries or are they not necessary in common words? I understand that in not-so-demonstrable words the quotations are very useful, but in everyday words, should I try to add any quotations at all? If so, could I grab a random novel in Spanish from my shelves and add quotes from there or are there some resources that should or should not be used? --Pablussky (talk) 11:28, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Theoretically, all senses of all terms should have quotes to show usage, with many of them on the citations page so the main entry doesn't get overloaded. This is a descriptive dictionary based on usage, so it's helpful to see the terms as they exist in the wild in their natural setting.
 * For plants or animals, we often include an image so people can see what one looks like. The best quotes are the verbal equivalent. A usex is like a drawing or painting: it can be composed to show the essence of the thing more clearly and succinctly. A quote is like a photo: it shows an example of the real thing, including details that an artist might not think to portray.
 * Just as you don't want to use an image that shows an animal as a tiny dot in a huge landscape, it's usually a good idea to crop out unnecessary verbiage so the reader doesn't have to wade through an ocean of text to find the critter. You also want to avoid choosing quotes that that make it seem like the dictionary is promoting a certain point of view- that would be like showing only images of animals mating or in cutesy fake poses. Chuck Entz (talk) 14:26, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Your everyday words are someone else's treasured words. – Jberkel 14:40, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
 * As for adding quotes for everyday words, you certainly may do so, but I'd question whether it's the best use of your time. Obviously it's your time and you can spend it however you like – we're all volunteers here – but if you focused on rarer words as well as things like idiomatic expressions, it would probably help the dictionary more than adding quotations illustrating el, una, y, pero or the primary meanings of padre, perro, cielo, fuego, agua and so on. —Mahāgaja · talk 14:45, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I disagree. I think most people aren't going to want to spend their time adding examples to basic words, but ideally we should have them, so we should be more than happy to having a willing volunteer. Plus these examples can be helpful to language learners, especially if they're well selected. Andrew Sheedy (talk) 03:23, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with Andrew Sheedy. It would be very useful to include quotes for the basic Spanish words, you could learn words that collocate with or are connected with fuego (escombro, llama, incendio, encender, calcinar etc.) or how the word agua reacts with different prepositions (al agua, en agua, de agua etc.) So, Pablus, in short, I think we'd be delighted with quotations for pretty much any Spanish words or phrases, and if you add an English translation, incluso mejor (translating quotations is something that Wonderfool doesn't do enough). In fact, I'm sure there's a category somewhere of untranslted Spanish quotations - we can have fun working on that. Yellow is the colour (talk) 14:07, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Category:Requests for translations of Spanish usage examples contains (contrary to its name) not only usage examples but also quotations that are lacking a translation. There are almost 7500 entries in there. —Mahāgaja · talk 15:04, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

where do the word etymologies come from and can we depend on it?
I was wondering how etymology is finalized - I mean the entire sequence of word formation?
 * There are a lot of ways linguists create such etymologies. One such way is the Comparative method. Also, yes, you can fully depend on them.

 * Many etymologies are tentative, and new findings (or investigations) can result in improvements – sometimes subtle, sometimes drastic. So yes, you can fully depend on the assumption that there is room for improvement. --Lambiam 13:44, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Does the Glyph Origin Header exist?
Example page ॥ ☼ সূর্যমান ☽ ॥ 10:14, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Obviously, as shown by your link. This heading was sanctioned per Votes/2017-02/Glyph origin. It is mainly used for Han characters (e.g. ) or their radical forms (e.g. ), but occasionally for other symbols such as punctuation marks (e.g. ). Elsewhere the heading "Etymology" is used (e.g. and ). (With our representation of section links, this looks weird: ). IMO "Glyph origin" would better fit the content in these cases, but these "Etymology" headings were already there when "Glyph origin" was formally approved.  --Lambiam 10:00, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

What the f?
I tried creating nobody is perfect as follows (without the nowiki markup, of course):

Apparently you guys have an edit filter which prevents this (and I can't even add the full example here...)? Hence my puzzled reaction... Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk) 21:00, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 * A working redirect starts with a # sign and doesn't have any other content. DTLHS (talk) 21:01, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 * "and I can't even add the full example here..." I know how redirects works (see my edits on WP). Can't add the # because of edit filter... RandomCanadian (talk) 21:03, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 * An counts as "any other content". — surjection ⟨??⟩ 23:25, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Is that me misreading the instructions and thinking that was equivalent to something like w:Template:r from alternative spelling or did I miss something? In any case, does it really require an edit filter set to disallow? Warn maybe (with a clearer indication of what the error is, not just "bad redirect"), but disallows edit filters are generally for vandalism (at least on English WP, don't know if this is a whole other planet or not). RandomCanadian (talk) 00:20, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The edit filter is to keep vandals from rendering a page unusable by adding a redirect at the top. There's another that keeps them from removing certain large chunks of text (I'm being vague to keep from telling how to defeat the filter), so someone got the bright idea of just making everything go away without deleting anything. Vandals like to swoop in and do as much damage as they can before they're blocked, so the filters ignore accounts that have more than a certain number of edits. It won't be long before you won't have to worry about them.
 * We don't put content on pages with hard redirects, because most readers won't see it. We try to avoid hard redirects in general: we include sections for every term in every language that shares the same spelling, and there can be overlap where you wouldn't expect it. For instance, air in Malay and several related languages means "water", beach is Irish for "bee", coin means "corner" in French and "hounds" in Irish, far can mean father or lighthouse, depending on the language, while fart means "speed" in several Scandinavian languages. Instead we have a bare-bones entry that links to the main entry or lemma, which is where most of the content is. Chuck Entz (talk) 05:01, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

 * As you seem to have come to suspect, is different from w:Template:r from alternative spelling; Wikipedia uses w:Template:r from alternative spelling directly on the hard redirect page to categorize what type of redirect it is (as you know), whereas on Wiktionary  (as seen by what it displays/renders as) is inherently a "soft-redirect" template which shouldn't be used on the same page as a hard #REDIRECT. Wiktionary doesn't normally add any other content to a page which is a hard redirect. An example of how  is used is aboveboard or re-save, basically it replaces the definition in an entry which otherwise has the same language header and part of speech header content as a "full" entry, "softly redirecting" readers to where the content is (while still presenting the inflected forms associated with that particular spelling and allowing them to be speedily created, etc.). - -sche (discuss) 01:17, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

General American pronunciation
Can I confirm that the General American pronunciation of air is /ɛɹ/ [ɛ˞] Dngweh2s (talk) 23:36, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * is right for the phonemic representation, but I wouldn't transcribe the surface pronunciation as, because the vowel isn't rhotacized throughout. Depending on how narrow you want the surface representation to be, I'd say something along the lines of ~  ~  would be closer. However, different people in America realize coda r differently, and a narrow phonetic transcription isn't usually helpful in a dictionary anyway. —Mahāgaja · talk 06:42, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Is Mary pronounced the same by people with and without the merry-Mary merger? Dngweh2s (talk) 14:04, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * No, I'd say it's merry that distinguishers pronounce the same way as mergers pronounce all three. —Mahāgaja · talk 14:07, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * : Because many (probably most) Americans with the Mary-marry-merry merger merge all of the sounds to /ɛɹi/ (which is what "merry" [/ˈmɛɹi/] has when distinct), but others with the merger instead merge all of the sounds to /ɛəɹi/ / /eəɹi/ (which is what "Mary" [/ˈmɛəɹi/] has when distinct), it cannot be said that "Mary" is inherently pronounced the same by people with and without the Mary-marry-merry merger. But, as such, that is true for merry as well. If all three are merged to /ˈmɛɹi/, then all three would sound like the non-merged "merry". But if all three are merged to /ˈmɛəɹi/ / /ˈmeəɹi/, then all three would sound like the non-merged "Mary".

 * In the case of audio pronunciations here, Dvortygirl's merged pronunciation for all three happens to be [ˈmɛəɹi]. Although she has the merger, [ˈmɛəɹi] is the non-merged pronunciation of Mary, so our audio pronunciation for "Mary" is just fine as it is.
 * Does that answer your question? Tharthan (talk) 16:34, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

I have created a word or two
Hello, I have created two words, I would like to share. And have it used. can I become a millionaire by creating words? I doubt it but I just want to know.

 * We only include words that have entered general usage (e.g. in print), not newly invented words. Inventing words is a bit too easy to make you rich! Equinox ◑ 15:31, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Old Persian
What should I do to display Old Persian lemmas (Chrome, Windows 8)? ПростаРечь (talk) 19:09, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * : You have to download a font that covers it. Here are some. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 02:14, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

thanks a heap! ПростаРечь (talk) 06:58, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Accessing Categories
I'm not sure where things like the list of categories for an article are hiding in the MinervaNeue theme. They don't appear to be at the bottom of the page like they are in the normal theme.

New word addition, seeking guidance from experts
I have created a word to describe what I do. I have searched and this word does not appear either on Wiktionary or any other online dictionaries or in general searches.

I have shared this word on various social media platforms, where I have people who follow me, numbers being between 5 and 10k.

The feedback of the word and description of it, has been extremely positive and someone suggested that I should add it to Wiktionary. The reason that they suggested it, is that because I am currently writing a book, in which I will use the word, it is likely to become more commonly known and used.

As adding content to Wiktionary is new to me, I am looking for some guidance as to whether adding a new word, based on what I have explained above, is appropriate and if so, does not break any rules.

Many thanks in anticipation of assistance.
 * Wiktionary is not the place for adding creative inventions. Words must meet the criteria for inclusion. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 11:36, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your guidance, much appreciated.

boatswain (Modern English word) wrongly categorised as being an Old English word from Old Norse.
boatswain is (obviously) a Modern English word. And it does derive its latter element ultimately from Old Norse.

Yet it appears in the category Category:Old_English_terms_derived_from_Old_Norse. The Old English word that would actually belong in that category is bātsweġen, which we have no entry for. Tharthan (talk) 00:45, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Just a template issue, fixed. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 12:37, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Help with Akkadian noun entries
Hi! I've been studying Akkadian for a while now and I was thinking of starting to add some Akkadian vocabulary. It looks like the few Akkadian entries on Wiktionary at the moment are quite messy and don't really follow a unified system, so I was thinking of taking some time to try and come up with something more structured.

On doing so, I could really use the help of you Wiktionary experts! The first problem I'm facing regards the fact that all Akkadian nouns used to end in -m in the Old Babylonian time, but in later stages of the language, the final -m got lost, so depending on the document, study, dictionary or textbook, the same word can appear mainly in one of the following 3 formats (I'll use the word bītum, "house", as an example):

 * 1) bītum
 * 2) bītu(m)
 * 3) bītu

I don't like form #2 (even if it's the one that shows both forms at the same time), mainly because if it ever needs to appear between brackets it wouldn't look nice (like this: (bītu(m))), so I guess we'll have to decide whether to use #1 or #3 as Entry Name. Whichever we end up choosing, though, we will need to give the other as well somewhere in the page. So my question would be: what's the best way of doing this?

I thought about Alternative forms, but it's not really an alternative form in the classical sense (it's the same word in different times). I can't add an alternative form by default to ALL Akkadian nouns (can I?), it wouldn't make much sense. Whoever knows Akkadian knows that given one form you can always get the other by adding or taking away the final -m, so it's a quite regular thing.

So what would the best solution be in this case?

Thank you in advance to anyone who can help! Sartma (talk) 20:31, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The thing one does with every language is, one includes it directly in the original script, that would be for Akkadian that you encode it in Unicode. But 6 people without Akkadian expertise were enticed in 2019 to vote against 3 to add Akkadian in Latin script, but so far neither the initiator of that vote nor anybody else found out a defined system for this vague objective, whether it be transliterations of the signs or transcriptions of the supposed sound values, which I predicted in the beginning – I opined that due to the tyranny of entry titles on Wiktionary and architectural preference for original script any Sonderweg would be borderline impossible. I hint that in actuality, there is no Akkadian editor here or anyone else to voice a pennyworth preference.
 * I can well imagine Akkadian in Unicode (though rarely some signs be unencoded): One makes a cuneiform page and then come multiple headers differing by their readings (see Chinese characters for example?), which headers can have alternative spellings as alternative forms headers sorted under the part of speech headings.
 * Latin Akkadian – like Pali? But this doesn’t answer the ambiguities.
 * So I guess if you are earnest you can try something. We are not paid enough to object, or to expect that earnest would amass an impressive amount of dictionary content, or to think anything be effected by objections or suggestions. Dealing with Akkadian must be great but you are left alone with it. Fay Freak (talk) 22:47, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think that lemmatising Akkadian words in cuneiform is either feasible nor desirable. There is no "standard" way of writing an Akkadian word, while there is a standard reconstructed normalisation (=standardise transliteration). The main entry must be in the Latin alphabet, and the several ways of spelling the word in cuneiform should be inside the page. I don't think there would be any disagreement on this regard amongst people who actually know the language and how its writing system works. So that's not even a point we should be discussing about. The only issue here is whether to lemmatise Old Babylonian or Middle Babylonian (about that, see my opinion below).

 * Well, we do have, who supports lemmatising at romanisation, and he would say we should do so at bītu. I don't know his reasoning, but that would be what I would favour as well. However, I'm still unsure about whether lemmatising at romanisation (as opposed to cuneiform) is the right approach; we certainly need romanisation entries to be soft redirects if we lemmatise at cuneiform, but in that case both bītu and bītum could be created. The issue there is choosing a cuneiform spelling, and one notes that the CAD lemmatises by romanisation, making it non-obvious for how someone who doesn't know Akkadian (like me) can produce the best cuneiform to lemmatise at. Also —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 00:47, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * See my reply to Fay Freak above regarding lemmatising Akkadian words. As for whether to use Old Babylonian (bītum) or Middle Babylonian (bītu), I've been thinking about it and all considered, I think I'll go for Old Babylonian (the version with the final -m) in the end. Beside being the Akkadian that was actually written using the version of cuneiform that automatically gets displayed in most modern operating systems (the lapidary form, the one the Hammurabi Code is written in), it's also the oldest standardise literary dialect of Akkadian and in a way it works as a "starting point" for later linguistic developments. All later variations of the language can appear in the main body of the page. Furthermore, the lack of final M's is not the only characteristic of Middle Babylonian, so if we go for forms like bītu, we should also favour verbal forms like qâšu instead of qiāšum, rabâ instead of rabiam and so on, and that wouldn't make sense. All main Akkadian/Old Babylonian textbooks either use the Old Babylonian words with -m, or start with those and drop the -m on later chapters, but to my knowledge no modern textbook only gives the Middle Babylonian forms without -m or the later forms (rabâ, qâšu, etc).
 * My main problem is that I have the linguistic knowledge, but I lack the technical one... I had a look around and Akkadian entries are quiet the mess. It would be nice to establish standard templates and layouts, both for the Translingual entries of the Cuneiform Unicode block and for individual Akkadian lemmata. Are you guys good with creating templates and the like (Wiktionary formatting, etc.)? I could use a bit of help on that front... Sartma (talk) 08:50, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, to make the case for lemmas without mimation. Firstly, the CAD lemmatizes without the final m. Since the CAD is probably our main vocabulary resource, it is simpler if we follow its tradition. Also, there are many words that are never attested with mimation. Either way, every noun and adjective should include a inflection template, which will be in Old Akkadian. — Tom 144 (𒄩𒇻𒅗𒀸) 04:07, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I've decided to go for the mimation in the main entry in the end, but also give the form without mimation under Alternative forms. As you say, grammar boxes will be in Old Babylonian anyway. I explained in more details what I'm planning to do here: About Akkadian.
 * On a different note, do you know by any chance, why the Latin font gets all strange when setting the language to akk in pretty much every template? It's really quite annoying. It doesn't happen for Sumerian, and I cannot understand what to do to change it... Sartma (talk) 19:02, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

You asked about entries, but different from what you seem to have reckoned the links do not just follow the entry script: note that even though Akkadian entries be under Latin spellings, cuneiform may be linked. It was devised to be hard-redirected if not the place of entries. I find  swapping the Latin transcription with and the cuneiform to make the cuneiform a part of the tr, where script-specific markup is not applied, bizarre. Likewise you cannot hold the cuneiform in the like now in the entry  when there are multiple cuneiform spellings. Apart from the fact that it is just an abuse of the purpose of the parameters – I mean we all sometimes abuse parameters, but one disagrees with it being done regularly. Further it appears as a standard that Akkadian terms appear cuneiform-first in etymologies. Sometimes, as in the example of, it is even that a reconstruction rests on the signs used. And you yourself on link entries from the signs in the quote; it dovetails if other links also link cuneiform; also possibly by having it in the second numbered parameter of, as an alternative to hard redirects. Fay Freak (talk) 02:00, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

 * Hi! Cuneiform being linked is not a problem. Each cuneiform sign will have its own entry, on which page you'll find a link to the Akkadian lemmata that can be written using that sign, in a similar way to how Han characters are treated (see for example 生). I've been working on a handful of cuneiform entries, like 𒀭 or 𒂍. You can see there how I structured them at the moment. On my personal page I'm keeping track of all the entries I'm working on. It's just a handful of words at the moment (mainly nouns of different categories and cuneiform signs, but I'll tackle verbs and adjectives soon), to try and understand the best way of structuring them. Once I'm happy with them, I'll start adding more and more vocabulary.
 * is indeed bizarre. I've been trying different layouts in the past days to make the template work with normalised (Latin alphabet) Akkadian entries, and giving the cuneiform in the tr was one of them at some point (indeed immensely abusing the purpose of the parameters). I've now started to just link the Akkadian entry (you can find an example  here). Much cleaner this way. All the info regarding the cuneiform spelling of the word will be found in the corresponding page, so there's no need to randomly show some cuneiform when linking the lemma. Thanks for pointing out the case of  (I'll fix the edit you indicated after posting this reply). The way I'm structuring things at the moment an Akkadian link would just be in the format: "". Additional information regarding the entry will all be found inside the corresponding page, where you'll also find a link to the relevant cuneiform sign (in this case 𒉒).
 * I've also been updating the About Akkadian page with paragraphs on how I've been structuring Akkadian entries. You can find more details there (obviously still work in progress).
 * I know I'm abusing the parameters of, and I'm not happy with that either. I've been familiarising with templates the past days, but I'm in no way near to be able to make my own at the moment. I've asked for help anywhere I could, I hope someone at some point will get in touch (or that I get enough knowledge to create templates myself). Ideally, I'd like to have an Akkadian specific template that includes a "cuneiform" (or "phonetic cuneiform", etc) parameter to show a phonetic spelling of the entry in cuneiform (the only cuneiform writing that makes sense giving next to the actual Akkadian word, being the phonetic cuneiform spelling always a possibility at any historical period). If you can help with that, I'd love to discuss how to structure the new template. Sartma (talk) 09:00, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Plural "Not Attested"
I looked up the word "chivachye" I found in the Canterbury Tales, which is a variant of chevauchee. I found the page for chivachie had a request for a quotation from Chaucer, but, since I had found "chivachye" with a , rather than "chivavie", I created a page for chivachye to add my quotation to. I think this is the first time I've created a new Wiktionary page, and I ran into a problem: I can either type " " which will automatically produce the text "(plural chivachyes)" or I can add "  " which will autamatically produce the text "(plural not attested)". It's true that I've never seen the plural, but it's also true that I haven't looked very hard, and there's no reason why the plural shouldn't be "chivachyes", since that is the rule for pluralizing other forms of the word in both English and French. I don't know what the policy here is or if there's a way to just not comment on the plural.DubleH (talk) 20:17, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * You have a much more fundamental problem here: Chaucer wrote in Middle English, which we consider a separate language from English. You can find a reasonably thorough list of attested meanings, spellings, and forms in the Middle English Dictionary . —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 01:02, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

I've now changed the entry to a Middle English entry rather than an English one, and it doesn't automatically demand a statement about the plural the way I did it. I've actually already tried searching that Middle English Dictionary, as well as the Wikisource Canterbury Tales (though I'm not sure if I did that right), and Google, and I didn't get anything for "chivachyes". For some reason the Middle English Dictionary gave me the page for chevauche when I searched for "chivachye", despite the fact that I couldn't actually find "chivachye" anywhere on the page, but it gave me nothing when I searched "chivachyes". Searching for "chivachye" in the Middle English dictionary's quotations gave me "chiuachye" (notably in the exact same source I found "chivachye" in), "chiuachie", and "chyuachie", but searching "chivachyes" gave me nothing, so I think it just automatically tries switching out "y" and "i" and "v" and "u".DubleH (talk) 03:31, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is appropriate, but I've also removed the request for a quotatation from Chaucer on the page for "chivachie", which is still listed as an English word. I also haven't removed the link to my new page on "chivachye" that I added to the page on the modern English word "chevauchee", alongside the other links to archaic forms that were already there.DubleH (talk) 03:57, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

 * The old Webster 1913 dictionary, from which we imported a lot of entries, did not distinguish between Middle and Modern English, so there are a few entries like this that need converting from ModE to ME. Equinox ◑ 09:29, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , you should use . You can also use Google Books to search for forms that exist. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 18:47, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Qn: To bring a long discussion to a vote?
I would like to ask about proper process to bring a discussion to a conclusion. By right, they have to be brought to a vote at Project:Votes yes?119.56.101.73 17:13, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
 * No, they don't have to be brought to a vote. Also, you don't have an account, so you're not eligible to vote, let alone create a vote. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 18:50, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

title: Wiktionary:Information desk/2021/April


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Verb

 * 1) to rob; to mug

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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text: Category:Jarawa inalienable nouns

title: Category:Jarawa inalienable nouns


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Wiktionary:Information desk/2021/May

How do I properly make this pronunciation use the IPA template?
I see an anon added pronunciation at gota but they just put it as raw text...I tried using but it gives some errors about invalid characters. Any help would be much appreciated. User: The Ice Mage talk to meh 14:34, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. —Mahāgaja · talk 15:31, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Translation to Dutch
Hey, there are multiple problems with the automatic translation to Dutch of the English text and explanation on Wiktionary. Is there a possibility to ameliorate the translation?

One of the problems is the unnecessary changing (by wrong translation) of a table, for instance with a table of inflection of a Latin word.

A table of inflection of a Latin word should be the same in English and in Dutch and in all languages.

Gr. SumMus235711
 * We don't have any automatic translation at Wiktionary, to the best of my knowledge. Can you give an example (with a link) of what you're talking about? —Mahāgaja · talk 12:02, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Problem with for repto
I tried simply using but I get a Lua error. Can any Portuguese speakers out there figure out what's wrong? User: The Ice Mage talk to meh 15:09, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * You have to specify whether the e is open é or close ê (. —Mahāgaja · talk 15:25, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * This is great confirmation of Benwing's preference that the IPA templates should avoid defaults... someone who doesn't know Portuguese adding IPA to a Portuguese entry on the assumption that the default output will be good. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 04:33, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Middle Chinese and Old Chinese data
Hello! I’m planning to contribute with hanzi (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese) data for Wiktionary soon. I’ve been wondering: how are the MC and OC reconstructions being stored? I was unable to find any place explicitly defining, say, initials and finals for MC (and actually storing the fanqie), and yet turning “mc=y” on in the zh-pron table gets them from somewhere. As there are a lot of characters without articles currently (and for which I intend to create ones), what do I edit to get a MC and OC for the corresponding character? Mr-ridgeway (talk) 15:15, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
 * As mentioned on Twitter by others, it's at Module:zh/data/ltc-pron (廣韻) + Module:zh/data/och-pron-ZS (鄭張) + Module:zh/data/och-pron-BS (Baxter–Sagart). —Suzukaze-c (talk) 06:14, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Notify guests
How do we alert guests? e.g. when answering to a question at a Talkpage. Are they being notified? What do we write? Thank you.
 * You can't ping IPs. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 04:31, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Pali sound clips with Mon pronunciation
We've been receiving some Pali sound clips from (a.k.a. Intobesa) and I'm struggling with integrating them. I've decided they belong on the Latin script Pali page matching their forms (the form he selects for nouns is generally the nominative singular, not the bare stem), but I'm having difficulty with the phonology link. --RichardW57m (talk) On page sarīraṃ, I've ended up with (See Mon phonology for IPA key.) because tagging the link as being in Pali generates a link to the Wikipedia page for Pali (though it needs a redirect en route). If I tagged the link with 'mnw', it would reach a barely adequate section on Mon phonology, but the page would then be categorised as a 'Mon term with audio links'. (I think this word, sarīraṃ, exhibits register spreading - the /s/ also modifies the vowel of the next syllable.)

Is there a reasonable better way of reaching an IPA key? One possible solution is to use the Pali phonology page to redirect to the vernacular phonologies underpinning local pronunciations of Pali, but that needs work and, besides, I don't know what Bengali Pali sounds like. Is Shan Pali tonal? --RichardW57m (talk) 13:02, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Am I correct in thinking that I am on my own in connecting the category 'Terms with audio pronunciation in Mon Pali dialect' to the other Pali categories? --RichardW57m (talk) 13:02, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm putting the pronunciations on the main (i.e. Latin) entry because Lao pronunciations will apply both to Lao script and Tai Tham script writings, and it seems that Pali text in any script may be read out with an attempt at an early Indian pronunciation. (Is someone going to have to write a section on the pronunciation of Pali with a Californian accent?) --RichardW57m (talk) 13:02, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello mnw.gif, There are nearly 600,000 dialects of Pali in the world, when I travel to 28 countries, I learn a lot of differences in the Pali pronunciation they read. To resolve Pali pronunciation differences, Pali alphabet inconsistency literary scholars around BC 1233 divided it into Burmese Pali language,

Shan Pali language, Thai Pali language, Chinese Pali language, Bengail Pali language, Hindi Pali language and Mon Pali language.
 * See sample letters Letters in Myazedi Pagoda.jpg in Bagan era AD 1113 on Myazedi Pagoda 4 languages Ancient letters.
 * 1) Pyu_script_1.png,Pyu_script_2.png, Burmese, Pyu Pali language letters AD 500 to 600 in ancient times, the Mon people used the Pali language as their mother tongue today, with the advent of modern youth learning the Pali language has become less common, I have been researching the Pali language for 26 years. The Pali language is used in many different languages, if you want to learn Pali language, what Pali language do you want to learn? you need to think for yourself. You need to be able to choose the Pali language you want to study in the United States, Buddhist English is the language of the Pali language, so it has Fri been renamed the English Pali language, but only a minority.--Music writer Dr.Intobesa of Japanese idol NMB48 and BNK48. (talk) 17:16, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Comparing two language families
Hello, I'm long termed Wikipedian, but was never aktive here. So I'm sorry, if I make mistakes. Is it possible making lists comparing two language families, f.e. amerind and paleosiberian languages - and as I see, most glosses here english, can I add german glosses too? (I'm german.) Best :) --Jucos (talk) 15:48, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * That would not be appropriate for Wiktionary. Also, note that neither Amerind nor Paleosiberian is a real language family. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 16:24, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Are here some rules, I could read more into, to learn about, what is appropriate? --Jucos (talk) 16:38, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Perhaps WT:WFW would be helpful for you. Also, given the level of your English, you would likely be more comfortable at German Wiktionary. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 17:01, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh I didn't know, that there is a german language version too. So every appendix can exist in every version? --Jucos (talk) 17:19, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * You should first ask at de:Wiktionary:Fragen zum Wiktionary whether your proposed project is acceptable there. Each language community has its own rules and customs, so it's best to ask around and get a feel for a wiki before you start in on a big project. —Mahāgaja · talk 07:55, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

 * I'm active Wikipedian since 2005, I know how a Wiki works, thank you very much (especially as a woman in Wikipedia, I've seen it all ^^) - but just my2cents: I don't think, I'm the first with problems with orientation in this project, the direction inside here is not very clear, a lot of lists and Appendices have not the best quality. Adventures translation-mixes from Language X to english, german and spanish... words who are totally wrong translated or not existing. As hungarian native I looked "of course" to finno-ugric first and it was "interesting". By the way - I KNOW that amerind and paleosiberian languages are NO language families! But I was writing parallel something in hungarian and german and translated something from Quechua into Kabyl - (something I do not recommend, if you are cooking same time and writing requests on Wiktionary), but I didn't care first, because it was not the core of my request - and to close this request: If somebody cannot make first small steps and asking simple stupid questions without tossed out, who is aktive Wikipedian since 16 years, how must it be for somebody who is a totally newbie? --Jucos (talk) 17:58, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Lua errors on entry for 一
Link: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E4%B8%80

I don't know if it's because this page is very long, but by the time you get to Korean on the bottom, the page is full of lua errors. The content for the Korean and Vietnamese sections is not accessible due to this problem.
 * Yes, this is a known problem. See WT:Lua memory errors. —Mahāgaja · talk 09:15, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I’ve added a section Workaround for users. While I don’t expect users to hit on that section (unless we can replace the current unhelpful “Lua error: not enough memory / No further details are available” by “Lua error: not enough memory / see ”), we can at least refer them to this kludge if they contact us. I wish the page spent more space on explaining why the problem arises (50 megabytes is a lot; is so much really needed?), instead of listing umpteen probably mostly nonviable solutions. --Lambiam 13:38, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Check my new entry
Hello, Can anyone please check my new entry and give me feedback on how can I improve? I took the templates from विश्वास page. Lightbluerain (talk) 02:54, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The etymology is right for विश्वास, but wrong for this page, since it contains both विश्वास and भंग. Look at some of the entries in Category:Hindi compound words to see how they handle such situations. I also wonder about the declension: how does Hindi handle compounds where the second part isn't a noun? Shouldn't it be the first part that takes the endings? Chuck Entz (talk) 03:18, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Edited per your feedback. Lightbluerain (talk) 03:25, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Adding new pronoun and noun senses to the entry for OP (original poster)
The term, derived from the phrase "original poster", can be used as a pronoun akin to (singular), , and  as shown in the quotations that follow and can also be used as a term of address, again see quotations. I am wondering how to use Template:en-pron to create the appropriate pronoun entry and whether it would make sense to create a separate etymology section for senses that are derived from "original post" or "original poster"? Thanks and take care. —The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 00:56, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

 * Hmm, which examples are you thinking are pronouns, as opposed to terms of address? I would not interpret any of the examples above as pronouns. I've seen usage like that before, and view it as using "OP" as a name, a stand-in for whatever OP's name is. If OP were named User123 or Pat, you could replace "OP" with "User123" or "Pat" in all of the above citations. I suppose this could mean "OP" is a proper noun and not just a common noun, but I'm not sure if that's worth adding a ===Proper noun=== section for or not. - -sche (discuss) 07:48, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I was thinking that the first two quotations involved the use of as a pronoun. Reading the first one more closely, I think I'm starting to agree with you more that it is being used as a proper noun. Specifically, I see that woodle used  in the first sentence, but the pronoun  in the second. This matches the pattern of a proper noun better than a pronoun. The third I thought showed usage as a term of address, but after doing some more research on how proper nouns and terms of address are used I agree it would make more sense to also consider it a instance of usage as a proper noun. Now, on to the question of adding a proper noun heading. I think the discussion that is currently happening at Requests for deletion/English (to be archived at Talk:Dog) is probably relevant since we are also hitting upon the question "When is a proper noun usage based on a noun worthy of inclusion?". I think in this case the usage is so widespread that one could argue that the term could be included under the "likely to be useful to readers" clause of WT:SOP. Regardless, I think it would be prudent to wait until the discussion of  ends before finalizing a conclusion. Thanks and take care. —The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 17:19, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

English words w/suffix "-ible". =possible addition=      visible
visible (?)
 * In general, we only put words in a category like "Klingon words suffixed with -oy" if the word was formed in the Klingon language by adding the suffix -oy to a stem. So if the Klingon were to borrow the word from Tagalog – which is in the category Tagalog words suffixed with -oy – we do not put it in a category  "Klingon words suffixed with -oy". The English word  was borrowed from French, which inherited it from, so it is in the category Latin words suffixed with -ibilis, but not in French words suffixed with -ible, and similarly for English.  --Lambiam 12:06, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Though it's not only about formation in one language, but also about the possibility to form it in others: could be both borrowed from  ( + ) but also analysable as  +  and be categorised in both German words borrowed from English and German words suffixed with -er.
 * As for, there's but nothing like vis = (to) see.

Reviewing Multiple, Multilingual Edits by an IP User
Hello and apologies if this is not the right page for this. Starting on May 5, 216 edits have come from the IP address 101.176.43.230 (contributions). Many of the edits seem to be the addition of translations while others are the addition of usage examples or the creation of new pages. By my count, the contributions have been made across two dozen languages, with this edit being particularly large. Given the volume and breadth of the edits I worried the edits may be copied from another resource or otherwise incorrect. Can others take a look to the edits to make sure that they are good? Thanks. —The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 05:05, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is such a thing as a copyright on translations of individual words, also not when they are copied from a multilingual dictionary. The dictionary as a whole may enjoy copyright, and one should not copy wholesale segments, but this kind of use appears legit to me. This is entirely separate from the question whether they are correct. I have checked the Turkish additions, and they all appear correct. --Lambiam 12:23, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree that the translations of individual terms are probably not under copyright, but the blurry line between wholesale segments and small amounts concerns me. I'm confused as to why you note copying from multilingual as an exception. It is reassuring to hear that the Turkish additions appear correct. Take care. —The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 02:36, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

With Mon Module editing help me
Hi, I have created a module for IPA, but I need to continue editing so I need help, although the module has been developed, it is not yet complete due to my lack of expertise. အ (a) /ʔa/ အ (a) /ʔɛ̀/ က (ka) /ka/ ခ (ka) /kʰa/ ဂ (ga) /ɡɛ̀/ ဃ (gha) /ɡhɛ̀ˀ/ င (ṅa) /ŋa/ ၚ (ṅa) /ŋɛ̀/ စ (ca) /ca/ ဆ (cha) /cʰa/ ဇ (ja) /cɛ̀/ ဇျ (jha) /chɛ̀/ ည (ña) /ɲa/ ည (ña) /ɲɛ̀/ ဍ (ḍa) /ɗa/ ဍ (ḍa) /?ɛ̀/ɖʱɛ̀(?) ဏ (ṇa) /na/ န (na) /nɛ̀/ တ (ta) /ဋ (ṭa) /ta/ ထ (ta) /ဌ (ṭha) /tʰa/ ဒ (da) /dɛ̀/ ဓ (dha) /dhɛ̀/ ပ (pa) /pa/ ဖ (pha) /pʰa/ ဗ (ba) /pɛ̀/ ဘ (ba) /phɛ̀/ မ (ma) /ma/ မ (ma) /mɛ̀/ ယ (ya) /?a/ jɛ̀ (?) ယှ /ɕa/ ယ (ya) /?ɛ̀/ʎɛ̀ (?)?/ɕɛ̀/ ရ (ra) /ɺa/ ရ (ra) /rɛ̀/ လ (la)/ဠ (ḷa) /la/ လှ/ /ɫa/ လ (la) /lɛ̀/ /lhɛ̀/ ဝ (wa) /wa/ ဝှ/သွ (swa) /fa/ ဝ (wa) /wɛ̀/ ဇွ (jwa) /ʍɛ̀/ သ (sa) /sa/ ဇြ/သ္ဇ /zɛ̀/ ဟ (a) /ha/ သ္ၚ /hɛ̀/ ၜ (ṗa, mpa) /ɓa/ ၑ (ṣa) /ʂa/ ၝ (ḅa, mba) /ɓɛ̀/ ၐ (ṡa) /ɕhɛ̀/ |ကၞ (kṇa) /k͡na/ |ခၞ (khṇa) /kʰ͡na/ |ဂၞ (gna) /ɡ͡nɛ/ |စၞ (cṇa) /c͡na/ |ဆၞ (chṇa) /cʰ͡na/ |ဇၞ (jna) /c͡nɛ/ |တၞ (tṇa) /t͡na/ |ထၞ(thṇa) /tʰ͡na |ဒၞ (dna) /d͡nɛ/ |ပၞ (pṇa) /p͡na/ |ဖၞ (phṇa) /pʰ͡na/ |ဗၞ (bna) /b͡nɛ/ |မၞ (mna) /m͡nɛ/ |သၞ (sṇa) /s͡na/ |ကၟ (kma) /k͡ma/ |ခၟ (khma) /kʰ͡ma/ |ဂၟ (gma) /ɡ͡mɛ/ |စၟ (cma) /c͡ma |ဆၟ (chma) /cʰ͡ma/ |ဇၟ (jma) /c͡mɛ/ |တၟ (tma) /t͡ma/ |ထၟ (thma) /tʰ͡ma/ |ဒၟ (dma) /d͡mɛ/ |ပၟ (pma) /p͡ma/ |ဖၟ (phma) /pʰ͡ma/ |ဗၟ (bma) /b͡ma/ |လၟ (lma) /l͡mɛ/ |သၟ (sma) /s͡ma/ |ကျ (kya) /k͡ʒa/ |ချ (khya) /t͡ʃa/ |ဂျ (gya) /d͡ʒɛ/ |စျ (cya) /c͡ja/ |ဆျ (chya) /cʰ͡ja/ |ဇျ (jya) /cʰ͡ja/ |တျ (tya) /t͡ja/ |ထျ (thya) /tʰ͡ja/ |ဒျ (dya) /d͡ʎɛ/ |ပျ (pya) /p͡ja/ |ဖျ (phya) /pʰ͡ja/ |ဗျ (bya) /b͡ʎɛ/ |မျ (mya) /m͡ʎɛ/ |သျ (sya) /s͡ja/ |ကြ (kra) /k͡ɺa/ |ခြ (khra) /kʰ͡ɺa/ |ဂြ (gra) /ɡ͡rɛ/ |စြ (cra) /c͡ɺa/ |ဆြ (chra) /cʰ͡ɺa/ |ဇြ (jra) /c͡rɛ/ |တြ (tra) /t͡ɺa/ |ထြ (thra) /tʰ͡ɺa/ |ဒြ (dra) /d͡rɛ/ |ပြ (pra) /p͡ɺa/ |ဖြ (phra) /pʰ͡ɺa/ |ဗြ (bra) /b͡rɛ/ |မြ (mra) /m͡ra/ |သြ (sra) /s͡ɺa/, /s͡ɺɛ/ |ကၠ (kḷa) /k͡la/ |ခၠ (kḷa) /kʰ͡la/ |ဂၠ (gla) /ɡ͡lɛ/ |စၠ (cḷa) /c͡la/ |ဆၠ (chḷa) /cʰ͡la/ |ဇၠ (jla) /c͡lɛ/ |တၠ (tḷa) /t͡la/ |ထၠ (thḷa) /tʰ͡la/ |ဒၠ (dla) /d͡lɛ/ |ပၠ (pḷa) /p͡la/ |ဖၠ (phḷa) /pʰ͡la/ |ဗၠ (bla) /b͡la/ |မၠ (mla) /m͡la/ |သၠ (sḷa) /s͡la/ |ကွ (kwa) /k͡wa/ |ခွ (khwa) /kʰ͡wa/ |ဂွ (gwa) /ɡ͡ʋɛ/ |စွ (cwa) /c͡wa/ |ဆွ (chwa) /cʰ͡wa/ |ဇွ (jwa) /c͡ʋɛ/ |တွ (twa) /t͡wa/ |ထွ (thwa) /tʰ͡wa/ |ဒွ (dwa) /d͡ʋɛ/ |ပွ (pwa) /p͡wa/ |ဖွ (phwa) /pʰ͡wa/ |ဗွ (bwa) /b͡ʋɛ/ |မွ (mwa) /m͡ʋɛ/ |သွ (swa) /s͡wa/ အ (a\') /ʔ/ အာ (ā) /a/ ဣ (i) ဣဳ (ī) /iˀ/, /ɒəˀ/ ဥ (u) /u/, /ɒə/ ဥူ (ū) /u/, /aoˀ/ ဨ (e) /e/, /ɛ/, /ey/ အဲ (au) /ɔə/, /uə/ သြ (o) /ao/ အဴ (ao) /ao/ အံ (å,aṁ) /ɔm/ , /ɔˀ/ အး (aḥ) /ah/ အ (a\') /ɛ̀ˀ/, /ɔ̀/, /ɛ̀/ အာ (ā) /ɛ̀ə/ ဣ (i) /ì/ ဣဳ (ī) ဥ (u) /ù/ ဥူ (ū) /ù/ ဨ (e) /è/, /ɛ̀/, /èy/ အဲ (au) /ɔ̀ə/ , /ùə/ သြ (o) /èə/ အဴ (ao) /ɤ̀/ , /ò/ အံ (å,aṁ) /ɔ̀m/ , /ɔ̀/ အး (aḥ) /ɛ̀h/ တ္ၚဲ /taˈŋuə/ ဗၟာ /pɛ̀mɛ̀ə/ ဖျာ /pʰ͡ja/ ကၠ /k͡laˀ/ တၞံ /tnɔm/ ဂွ /g͡ʋɛ/ ဂး /gɛ̀h/ ရဲ /rɔ̀ə/ ရော /rao/ ပိ /pɒəˀ/ ဂိ /gìˀ/ စပုင် /ɕiəˀ pɤŋ/ သ္ၚိ /hɒəˀ/ | ကက် (kak) /kʌk/ | ကာက် (kāk) /kaɪk/ | ကိက် (kik) /koɪk | ကုက် (kuk) /(kɜk)/ | ကေက် (kek) /, /kɔɪk/(တေက်ဒး) | ကောက် (kok) /koʊk/ | ကံက် (kåk) /kɒk/ /kɔk/ | ကိုက် (kiuk) /(kaɪːk)/ !ဂစိုတ် ဂက် | ဂက် (gak) /gɛ̀k/ | ဂါက် (gāk) /gaɪk/ | ဂိက် (gik) /goɪk/ | ဂုက် (guk) /geɪk/ | ဂေက် (gek) /(gek)?/ /gɔɪk/(တေက်ဒး) | ဂေါက် (gok) /gʊk/ | ဂံက် (gåk) /gɒk/ | ဂိုက် (giuk) /(gaɪːk)/ | ကင် (kaṅ) /kʌŋ/(?) | ကာင် (kāṅ) /kaɪn/ | ကိင် (kiṅ) /koɪŋ/ | ကုင် (kuṅ) /kɜŋ/ | ကေင် (keṅ) /keŋ/, /kɔiŋ/ (ကေင်ကာ) | ကောင် (koṅ) /(kɔːŋ)?/ | ကံင် (kåṅ) (/kɒŋ/) /kʌŋ/(?) | ကိုင် (kiuṅ) /kaɪːn/ | ဂင် (gaṅ) /gɛ̀ŋ/ | ဂါင် (gāṅ) /gaɪn/(?) | ဂိင် (giṅ) /goɪŋ/ | ဂုင် (guṅ) /geɪn/ | ဂေင် (geṅ) /geŋ/, /gɔiŋ/ (ဂစေံဂေင်) | ဂေါင် (goṅ) /(gɔːŋ)?/ | ကံင် (gåṅ) /gɒŋ/ | ဂိုင် (giuṅ) /gaɪːn/ | ကတ် (kat) /kɔt/ | ကာတ် (kāt) /kɑt/ | ကိတ် (kit) /kit/ | ကုတ် (kut) /kut/ | ကေတ် (ket) /ket/ | ကောတ် (kot) /kʊt/ | ကိုတ် (kiut) /kɒt/ | ဂတ် (gat) /gɔt/ | ဂါတ် (gāt) /gɑt/ | ဂိတ် (git) /gɪt/ | ဂုတ် (gut) /(guːt)/ | ဂေတ် (get) /gɪt/ | ဂေါတ် (got) /gʊt/ | ဂိုတ် (giut) /gɒːt/ | ကန် (kan) /kɔn/ | ကာန် (kān) /kʌn/ | ကိန် (kin) /kɪːn/ | ကုန် (kun) /kun/ | ကေန် (ken) /kən/ | ကောန် (kon) /kɔːn/ | ကိုန် (kiun) /kɜːn/ !ဂစိုတ်ဂန် | ဂန် (gan) /gɔn/ | ဂါန် (gān) /gʌn/ | ဂိန် (gin) /gɪːn/ | ဂုန် (gun) /gun/ | ဂေန် (gen) /gən/ | ဂေါန် (gon) /gɔːn/ | ဂိုန် (kiun) /gɜːn/ | ကပ် (kap) /kɔp/ | ကာပ် (kāp) /kʌp/ | ကိပ် (kip) /kɪːp/ | ကုပ် (kup) /kup/ | ခေပ် (kep) /kɪp/ | ကောပ် (kop) /kʊp/ | ကိုပ် (giup) /kɔːp/ !ဂစိုတ်ဂပ် | ဂပ် (gap) /gɔp/ | ဂါပ် (gāp) /gʌp/ | ဂိပ် (gip) /gɪːp/ | ဂုပ် (gup) /gup/ | ဂေပ် (kep) /gep/ | ဂေါပ် (gop) /gʊp/ | ဂိုပ် (giup) /gɔːp/ | ကမ် kam /kɒm/ | ကာမ် (kām) /kɑːm/ | ကိမ် (kim) /kɪːm/ | ကုမ် (kum) /kum/ | ကေမ် (kem) /kɪm/ | ကောမ် (kom) /kɔːm/ | ကိုမ် (kium) /kɒm/ !ဂစိုတ်ဂမ် | ဂမ် (gam) /gɒm/ | ဂါမ် (gām) /gɑːm/ | ဂိမ် (gim) /gɪːm/ | ဂုမ် (gum) /gum/ | ဂေမ် (gem) /gɪm/ | ဂေါမ် (gom) /gɔːm/ | ဂိုမ် (gium) /gɒm/ | ကယ် (kay) /koa/ | ကာယ် (kāy /kɑi/ | ကုယ် (kuy) /kui/ | ကေယ် (key) /kiə/ | ကောယ် (koy) /kuə/ | ကိုယ် (kiuy) /kɜːi/ | ဂယ် (gay) /goa/ | ဂါယ် (gāy /gɑi/ | ဂါယ် (guy /gui/ | ဂေယ် (gey) /giə/ | ဂေါယ် (goy /guə/ | ဂိုယ် (giuy) /gɜːi/ | ကဝ် (kaw) /kɔ̀/ | ကေဝ် (kew) /kei/(?) | ကောဝ် (kow) /kɔːə/ (?) kɜ | ကိုဝ်/ကဵု(kiuw) /-ɜːə/ !ဂစိုတ်ဂဝ် | ဂဝ် (gaw) /gɔ̀/ | ဂေဝ် (gew) /gei/ | ဂေါဝ် (gow) /gɔːə/ | ဂိုဝ်/ဂဵု (giuw) /gɜːə/ | ကဟ် (kah) /kɔh/ kɶ | ကိဟ် (kih) /kiːh/ | ကုဟ် (kuh) /kuːh/ | ကေဟ် (keh) /keh/, /ɗɛh/ (ဍေဟ်) | ကောဟ် (koh) /kɤh/ | ကိုဟ် (kiuh) /kɜh/ | ဂဟ် (gah) /gɔh/, /gɶ/ | ဂိဟ် (gih) /giːh/ | ဂုဟ် (guh) /guːh/ | ဂေဟ် (geh) /geh/ | ဂေါဟ် (goh) /gɤh/ (?) | ဂိုဟ် (giuh) /gɜh/ | ကအ် (kaâ) /kɔˀ/ | ကိအ် (keâ) /kiˀ/ | ကောအ် koâ /-ɔˀ/, /kɒʔ/ | ကိုအ် (kiuâ) /kɜ̀ˀ/ !ဂစိုတ်ဂအ် | ဂအ် (gaâ) /gɔˀ/ | ဂေအ် (geâ) /giˀ/ | ဂေါအ် (goâ) /-ɔˀ/, /gɒʔ/ | ဂိုအ် (giuâ) /gɜ̀ˀ/ Module experts are kindly requested to assist me thanks.--Music writer Dr.Intobesa of Japanese idol NMB48 and BNK48. (talk) 14:22, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Copy use Keys for IPA

Is d’ attested in Latin?
I looked on Google Books to see if anybody wrote d’excidio or d’expugnatione, but I couldn’t find examples of either. It seems like there should be at least one isolated instance of somebody using d’ in Latin, if only due to Romance influence. —(((Romanophile))) ♞ (contributions) 06:25, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

 * Was the used at all at the time? If people did not notate the elided vowel, wouldn’t they mostly simply have written dexcidio or dexpugnatione? Compare also the spelling in le morte Da rthur. Reportedly, the first use of the apostrophe was in the 1496 book De Aetna ad Angelum Chabrielem Liber, but I did not readily spot uses there.  --Lambiam 14:25, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

what's this Greek word in medieval marginalia
Atop page 65 of the Konungsbók there are two Greek words. I'm pretty sure the first is λὀγος; what's the second? I can't work out what the 1st, 2nd, and 5th letters are. Logosetcr (talk) 18:00, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * . 212.224.226.73 18:05, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Huh! Thanks! What a way to write an α! Logosetcr (talk) 18:53, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The  ’s, especially the second, almost look like an    ligature, but this form for the    is quite common.  --Lambiam 12:46, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Discord server
What is it? Is it recommended for all (active) users to join it? What exactly is being done there? We already have our own discussion pages in Wiktionary, so has it any special functions? Thanks. - ⸘ - dictātor · mundī  23:11, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

 * It's real-time chat where you can exchange messages, similar to IRC or instant messaging. Rather different from leaving messages for later replies, like a talk page or Web forum. Discord is a proprietary system (not free and open-source like the rest of Wikimedia), and "our" Discord server is, I think, owned and maintained by one particular user, so it should probably not be viewed as "official". Just a place where interested people can have general conversations about Wiktionary stuff. Equinox ◑ 23:53, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

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Translingual translations to emoji
I was looking around and saw that rainbow flag had a translingual translation for 🏳🌈. I was wondering if I'd be allowed to do this for other nouns? And would the emoji need to have a page? AntisocialRyan (talk) 16:37, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Is this not about as inappropriate as giving ○ as a translingual translation of circle? --Lambiam 21:43, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * But ○ does not have the definition of "circle", at least translingually. The emojis on here do have the definition of what they represent, and also at least one other thing typically. I think it makes sense but I still want to make sure it's ok. AntisocialRyan (talk) 04:42, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

 * I've seen people do this with various nouns, e.g. ice cream, they might add the cone emoji. I remove these when I see them. Emoji are not "words in a language". Equinox ◑ 05:02, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Are they not words, though? That is debatable. AntisocialRyan (talk) 15:53, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Not really. No one speaks "emoji", they use emojis to add a dimension to written communication in actual languages. For the same reason, taxonomic names also don't belong in translation tables. This is different from sign languages, which we do include in translation tables. IMO, the only place to include them in an English entry is as a "See also" section. The other option would be something like a dedicated subheader for emojis, but that would require consensus to include it in our standard format. Chuck Entz (talk) 16:54, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

 * They don't exist in a grammar. Equinox ◑ 20:58, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Specifically for this case, is a noun.  is not a noun. It is a symbol depicting a rainbow flag, but it is used to express support of what that flag stands for. The use of the English term “” does not imply such support.  --Lambiam 17:58, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

 * I broadly agree with Equinox and Lambiam and Chuck Entz. Yet some people do actually send messages consisting entirely of such symbols.  Are they considered to be pictograms?
 * But is there a clear Wiktionary policy on such matters? (If not, there should be.)  I was surprised to see that so many symbols already have 'dictionary' entries, as per my comments at Talk:(_).  And several of those symbols will not appear in any "text" communication:  for instance "▒".
 * —DIV (1.129.106.0 04:59, 17 June 2021 (UTC))

 * – Jberkel 09:15, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Emojis are part of current language though. Just like exclamation marks and full stops are part of language. However, the debate is ongoing on whether they are words. Could just be a matter of semantics. Being a word or a non-word had not stopped any entry from not being an entry.
 * To know what language is, just have a look at the animals communicating to one another. 119.56.104.80 13:16, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

 * They still ain't words in a grammar. Nobody is denying that they exist. My cat communicates by rubbing his cheek on stuff, to leave a scent mark. That may be "communication" (broadly construed). But what is the cheek-rub? A noun, a verb, an adverb? Nothing, because it ain't actual language, no grammar; it's merely communication. Same for emoji. Equinox ◑ 22:27, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

 * The best example is the heart ❤ (although regarding Unicode we can argue this one seven ways to hell because there are multiple versions of it), but long before emoji this was a recognisable sign, standing in for the verb "loves" or "love": you could buy a gift-shop sticker or badge saying "I ❤ Skye" (I love Skye,, a popular pun) or whatever. I'd probably be happy to accept that one given its age and prevalence, but accepting every random picture of broccoli, no! Equinox ◑ 22:29, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

 * This makes as much sense as saying is a translingual “translation” of English ; words and symbols are not the same. J3133 (talk) 15:34, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I would go as far as to say that would make sense as well. Someone should start a debate in the appropriate place, and link it here. AntisocialRyan (talk) 15:00, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

 * J3133's point about the copyright sign is interesting. Maybe we could say that the copyright sign is a rendering of the concept of copyright but it isn't a word. Haha, bring on the lexical stylesheets. (I'm not saying we shouldn't have the copyright sign. Again, this is a special long-lived one that even has legal meaning, I believe. But a broccoli emoji ain't quite the same.) Equinox ◑ 22:43, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Over this time I've had some ideas: Many emoji may be just pictures used to represent concepts, and not words, but some are definitely used for communication. For example, gestures (👍, 👌, 🖕, etc.). Pretty much all emojis could be used in place of words also, but that probably doesn't count. AntisocialRyan (talk) 00:08, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I don’t see any point, for where is the evidence that ©, ℗, ™, 🄯 are translingual? I don’t know any language besides English “using” it. © was put as English like “Copyright year by …” was put into books to be copyrighted in the United States which required it until half a century ago. Precisely they are logographs used in English, part of speech “phrase”, and in any other language of Europe any of them is so unusual that it may not count as borrowed—I mean why would a German or even Ukrainian recognize what “™” stands for? only the internet slants the picture with United States publishing pouring in upon all discourse, so of course some Germans, and much fewer Ukrainians, adopted that badge, like those disclaimers none of their users read, you may call it code-switching or ignorant use or something else excluding its passing the language barrier—, it is even that Wiktionary and Wikipedia beg the question how native it be in the United Kingdom and Ireland. So not merely it should have an English entry instead of a Translingual one, it should be labelled “US” or “chiefly US”. Fay Freak (talk) 01:11, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

 * The copyright symbol is recognised throughout the EU (and beyond!), even in countries where the word for copyright doesn't begin with a C. I would say this makes the symbol "translingual". Importantly, however, this doesn't make it a "translation" for the word copyright (which is a noun or a verb): this is only a symbol. It doesn't belong in translation tables. Equinox ◑ 01:48, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It is unusual, dodgy though that you define a lexeme as belonging to a language only by passive language skills, not to say that it is precisely not how an individual language is defined. With all that emphasis of use of language this only confirms its absence in the language, as it needs to appear out of the language community and not just be perceived there. Don’t you remember examples where many people believe a word exists and it is frequently made an entry for but it doesn’t exist? Like those phobias which are more often listed as known than practically employed.
 * I cannot help but see that I do not exaggerate: If I restrict searches of  to .eu domains, it is not found on any site, also with added year or about the specific topic  . It’s extraneous, an exceedingly rare xenism, and a ghost word, you can well own. Fay Freak (talk) 03:36, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

 * You speak complete garbage and I will talk to you when you learn English. lol... "xenism" and "you can well own". Equinox ◑ 05:10, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

dive bar
What's a dive bar? 212.224.225.251 08:38, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It's a that is a . —Mahāgaja · talk 09:16, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Search pages by ending
I know I can look for pages that start with a certain string of letters but when I try to search by ending it doesn't do anything, am I doing something wrong?
 * You can use the recently repaired tool at https://dixtosa.toolforge.org/, although that will only search within specific categories, not the dictionary as a whole. —Mahāgaja · talk 09:51, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Doesn’t work for me. Regardless of the category and suffix I enter, it will return English adjectives ending on -uctible. --Lambiam 09:17, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, that's new!, any idea what's going on? —Mahāgaja · talk 09:53, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ugh, sorry, that's embarrassing! I forgot to remove my temporary debugging code. Now it works again. — Eru·tuon 21:01, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You can put an asterisk * immediately in front of the search term. It works reasonably well. SemperBlotto (talk) 10:51, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Where should one enter the *-prefixed search term? --Lambiam 09:17, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Babelbox on my Userpage
Hello, it seems like I am making some mistake in adding Babelbox on my Userpage. How to correct it? Lightbluerain ❄ (Talk | contribs) 07:00, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

 * You didn't make mistake. Template:User gu-2 and Template:User mr-1 are not created yet. You can make them by mimicking other templates. --Octahedron80 (talk) 07:17, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Alright. Lightbluerain ❄ (Talk | contribs)  07:25, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Correcting a Translation Entry
I have little confidence that I am following the correct procedure for correcting translations. I've found a number of errors in the Pali translations - wrong form, weird choice of script, and dubious choice of lexeme. For example, I have just corrected the translation of father from {m|pi|janako}} (nom. s., infrequent synonym) with additionally a citation of the Devanagari script form to (stem, usual word) with an additional citation in the alphabetic* Thai writing system, which is the Pali writing system with the greatest online presence. --RichardW57 (talk) 07:59, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

 * That is, in this case, an alphasyllabary which is also an alphabet, like modern Lao in the Lao script.

My question is, was it right for me to just dive in and change this translation, or should I have fixed it in another way? --RichardW57m (talk) 11:03, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know much about Pali, but seems fine to me. There's no particular procedure, but only make changes when you're confident. If you question something but don't know enough to remove it outright, you can wrap it in the template or do a bit more research. Obvious mistakes can be fixed on sight. Andrew Sheedy (talk) 20:05, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Russian voicing assimilation
Would a voiced word-final obstruent devoice if the next word began with a sonorant/sonorant consonant? Dngweh2s (talk) 02:13, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Word-final obstruents are voiced before voiced stops, unvoiced before resonants including l r m n v. Benwing2 (talk) 01:16, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

How do we correct Declension template errors?
Hello, I noticed the Declension template for Hindi entries shows some wrong outputs. How to correct them? Lightbluerain ❄ (Talk | contribs) 06:19, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * . Are these systematic errors (similar words have similarly wrong forms)? Please give some examples. The code generating the declension tables is written in Lua and located at Module:hi-noun. Unless you are familiar with Lua and understand that code, it is probably better not to meddle with it. The reason for errors may also be that the template hi-ndecl has not been supplied with the correct parameter. --Lambiam 21:51, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * These are probably due to incorrect params given to, but I need to know the specific entries and what you think are wrong about them. Benwing2 (talk) 01:17, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , in the निर्धनता entry in declension there are 3 plural words like निर्धनताओं, which I never heard. I think they're wrong. Lightbluerain ❄ (Talk | contribs)  12:43, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , do you mean that word does not have a plural? In that case, you can see that it uses the template, whose template page Template:hi-ndecl gives its documentation. The section Template:hi-ndecl explains how to specify to the template that the word is singular-only, so you would end up with something like . (I haven't made any edits to that entry yet). Kritixilithos (talk) 13:45, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , I think, yes. It doesn't have plurals. Hardly can there be any case for the use of these plurals. But, I think I better, first, consult with other Hindi speakers who know literary Hindi more than me. Thanks for the link. I will now edit the entry per those Hindi speakers' consultations. Thanks a lot. Lightbluerain ❄ (Talk | contribs)  15:31, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Philadelphia nonstandard vowel reduction
Does anyone know exactly what the rules are that yield such pronunciations as /ˈbjudifʊɫ/ and /ˈsʌbstitut/ ? Does it apply after /d/ either normal as in "indicate" or tapped, as in "Baltimore"? 108.2.74.234 03:22, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Good moting
How are you today I am having a problem getting on my page every time I try to log in it is the wrong password and name I have two factor password on my I pad so It is not incorrect even right after I create a page. I am not vandalism the page the page is directing me to create a page to use the page but I believe I will stay of.sorry for the inconvenience can you please help and fix the situation I will very much appreciate it.

Thank you sincerely much appreciated

 * Do you have a Wikimedia account with two-factor authentication? If your password does not work, you can ask for a temporary password to be sent to your (registered) email address. --Lambiam 20:43, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Minor mistake in the "te" word (Latin) but I don't know how to change it
Talking about this: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/te#Latin

The "zeta" in the "coordinate terms" (Latin) of "te" takes you to "#Latin", so you stay on the same page. It should go to "wiki/zeta#Latin", all the other letters do go to their own page, just not zeta. I don't know how to change because it's in a list and not on the page itself but it should be changed DjaroD (talk)
 * Fixed at list:Latin script letter names/la/simple. Thanks for reporting it! —Mahāgaja · talk 12:21, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

TV shows for my corpus
Hi.

I am building a corpus of English that will have over 200 million tokens when it is finished. One of my subcorpora contains the transcripts from English-language TV shows. I currently have over 24m words of TV shows and have the corpora of 52 different shows (24; 30 Rock; American Dad; American Horror Story; Atypical; Beverly Hills 90210; Big Bang Theory; Blackadder; Breaking Bad; Charmed; Dad’s Army; Daria; Dawson’s Creek; Degrassi: The Next Generation; Ed, Edd ’n’ Eddy; Family Guy; Fawlty Towers; Friends; Futurama; The Gilmore Girls; Glee; Home Improvement; House; How I Met Your Mother; The Jeffersons; Kids in the Hall; Lost; Malcolm in the Middle; Married with Children; Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug & Cat Noir; Modern Family; Northern Exposure; The Office; Once Upon a Time; Orange Is the New Black; Pretty Little Liars; Red Dwarf; Rugrats; Scandal; Seinfeld; The Simpsons; Sons of Anarchy; South Park; SpongeBob SquarePants; Stargate; That ’70s Show; Top Gear; The Vampire Diaries; The West Wing; The Wire; The X-files; and Yes, Prime Minister).

If you could suggest 2 more TV shows to add to my TV subcorpus, which two shows would you recommend? Ritchie Collins (talk) 02:17, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I remember reading recently that Buffy (the Vampire slayer) was quite influential w.r.t vocabulary/slang etc. – Jberkel 10:50, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the suggestion. And yeah, that's a pretty iconic show. Ritchie Collins (talk) 21:13, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I think Avatar: The Last Airbender should be here maybe AntisocialRyan (talk) 22:32, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

 * There is an (understandable) slant towards US shows. Perhaps, for a British soap with a sprinkling of Mancunian idiom, , the world’s longest-running television soap? --Lambiam 11:58, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ooh, I really like that suggestion! I was hoping for more British shows than the six I already had, and I don't have many soaps (...although some count 90210 as a soap). Ritchie Collins (talk) 23:43, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmmm...Subslikescripts doesn't have Coronation Street, nor could I find episode transcripts by googling "coronation street" transcripts. There's even a fandom.com wiki devoted to the show, and although it has guides to every episode, it doesn't include transcripts for the individual episodes. Does anyone know where I can find the transcripts/scripts online? Ritchie Collins (talk) 05:11, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

 * So far I have a whole bunch of American shows, six British shows, two Canadian shows, and one dubbed French show. What are some TV shows that are big in Australia and New Zealand...besides Ship to Shore? Ritchie Collins (talk) 09:49, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Quotation
I think it'd be really less cumbersome if the quotations are shown simply as ▼ instead of "quotation ▼".

Thank you.

Shubhrajit Sadhukhan (talk) 13:24, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

 * Do you expect that the casual user will understand that “▼” means, “show quotations”? --Lambiam 11:49, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Language 2 letter codes?
Could someone lead me to the page?

Example rwandan ??? Thanks

--Yunggunnar (talk) 23:27, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
 * WT:LOL, with more information at WT:LANGTREAT Chuck Entz (talk) 23:39, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

"expandtemplates" API, expand without styling?
I want to display Wiktionary data in my own way (independent of how the Wiktionary web site looks) with the raw data. For most things, I could do it, but some "templates" do not have actual data in the raw data. For example, I cannot extract any actual data from the string "" itself. For that, I think I can call the "expandtemplates" API, but the value contains HTML with lots of formatting stuff.

So, what I wonder is if I could get only the actual data of the expanded result without or with minimum formatting/HTML stuff. Sin Jeong-hun (talk) 09:13, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You should modify the module to output something easy for you to read, such as JSON. DTLHS (talk) 20:36, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I am not talking about the format of the response, which I have already set to JSON with "format=json"; I am talking about the expanded template which looks like the following. It cannot be simplified more, and I have deal with it?

"expandtemplates": { "wikitext": "\nConjugation of dire (see also Appendix:French verbs) \n\n{| style=\"background:#F0F0F0;width:100%;border-collapse:separate;border-spacing:2px\" class=\"inflection-table\"\n|-\n! colspan=\"1\" rowspan=\"2\" style=\"background:#e2e4c0\" | .....
 * Sin Jeong-hun (talk) 11:02, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Wrong level. Modify the template, here, so that if you give it the parameter "format=json", or something similar to that, it outputs JSON instead of HTML. Your would then call expandtemplates on " ". You could also create your own dedicated template that does the same thing. DTLHS (talk) 14:39, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply, but that does not seem to work either. Did I understand you incorrectly? The URL I used is http://en.wiktionary.org/w/api.php?action=expandtemplates&title=dire&text=%7B%7Bfr-conj-auto%7Cformat%3Djson%7D%7D&format=json . ( %7B%7Bfr-conj-auto%7Cformat%3Djson%7D%7D is the URL-encoded version of .) The returned value still seems HTML with formatting.

 * "expandtemplates": {

"*": "\nConjugation of dire (see also Appendix:French verbs) \n\n{| style=\"background:#F0F0F0;width:100%;border-collapse:separate;border-spacing:2px\" class=\"inflection-table\"\n|-\n! colspan=\"1\" rowspan=\"2\" style=\"background:#e2e4c0\" | <span
 * Sin Jeong-hun (talk) 08:58, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

 * I didn't say it was implemented. The module would need to be edited to support that output format. DTLHS (talk) 15:59, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

bar
Is being *licensed* to sell alcoholic beverages really part of the definition of a bar? Is a place that sells drinks illegally not a bar? JulieKahan (talk) 12:24, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

 * The Wikipedia article refers to ‘saloon owner Kate Hester, who ran an unlicensed bar in the 1880s in McKeesport’. Substituting the current definition results in the oxymoronic ‘... who ran an unlicensed business licensed to sell alcoholic drinks for consumption on the premises ...’. Similarly,  contains the sentence, ‘In the United States, illegal bars during  were called "", "blind pigs", and "blind tigers".’ It’s not just Wikipedia; this 1910 source explains speakeasy as “an unlicensed bar”.  --Lambiam 00:55, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

title: Wiktionary:Information desk/2021/June


text:
Wiktionary:Information desk/2021/July

Special:Contributions/2001:8003:417E:C700:9000:2C8B:CC7F:4AB7
Not sure if this is the best place to bring something to the attention of the admins, but in 'Recent changes' I've noticed an IP adding translations to a huge variety of languages. I guess the translations of the place name may have been from WikiData, but I don't know about the others. Kritixilithos (talk) 13:30, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * This is probably Atitarev. PUC – 13:46, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Citing words for inheritance or borrowing
Is there any rule as to which citation form to use when citing a borrowing in an etymology? For example, apart from the a-declension (the commonest!), loanwords into Thai ultimately from Pali, generally use not the stem, the common citation form on Wiktionary, but the nominative singular, the usual citation form in South East Asia. In such cases, should link to the stem or to the nominative singular (masculine)? I am slowly implementing the recommendation that the nominative singular (masculine) of Pali nouns (and adjectives) should have an entry in Wiktionary, a recommendation made to address the problem of different citation forms. --RichardW57 (talk) 04:54, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * There's always the option of linking to the lemma with the third parameter, but displaying the other form using the fourth parameter. I don't know any Pali, so here's an example in a language I do know:
 * From en
 * giving:
 * From.
 * Chuck Entz (talk) 06:10, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll give it a whirl. The first case is the etymology of Thai . --RichardW57 (talk) 21:06, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Deleting entries without leaving a reason
Is it acceptable to delete entries without leaving a reason? SodhakSH has been deleting Bengali script Sanskrit entries that I created. --RichardW57 (talk) 21:08, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

 * (Notifying ) It was discussed that a Sanskrit alternative script entry will be created only if it is attested. Can you bring references/quotations for these terms to be added again? 🔥 शब्दशोधक 🔥 06:31, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Where? Some semi-private discussion area?   Then raise a request for verification.  However, obvious existence is also permitted.  Remind me how to stub out links from invocations of  so that it doesn't, for example, link to a Pali term.
 * Sorry, I couldn't find any discussion on this. But at, said about the attestation thing and I agreed. sa-alt linking to any other language's entry doesn't seem a problem. 🔥 शब्दशोधक 🔥 08:27, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * We really need quotations for a lot of entries. Sometimes getting lawfully usable adequate translations is a lot of work.  Inqilābī's diktats are not law - his signature is an aspiration, not an achievement.  Besides, he spoke of turning red into blue.  What these additions did was to turn fake blue into true blue.  If fake blue were orange by default (see Red_link_that_isn't) rather than visually indistinguishable from true blue, we wouldn't have a problem.  But I see a blue link leading to the wrong place as an error. --RichardW57m (talk) 12:26, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * You're also overlooking the page deletion process at Page_deletion_guidelines, which I will admit needs further overhaul for the deltion of entries. Note that this is a complaint about the lack of due process. --RichardW57m (talk) 12:26, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

 * I was thinking of raising this issue (of creating alternative-script entries at will) someday. There is not yet consensus to delete them; however I personally agree that these should not be created unless we can source the attestation in the script. Currently this thing is being done for Pali and Sanskrit (by RichardW57), and for Prakrit (by SodhakSH). Since a discussion on this has already been started here, I hereby propose that we can have only canonical-script entries for these languages, unless we can verify the attestation of the alternative-script form. If there is some sa-alt problem, there could be some other good solution, but there is no consensus for making red links blue just like that. ·~   dictátor · mundꟾ  11:37, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * This really needs no consensus to delete; a word without attestation and google hits should be speedied. As for my Prakrit entries in Devanagari script, they are all attested (mostly by R:pra:Sheth, sometimes by quotations, etc.). 🔥 शब्दशोधक 🔥 12:05, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Do you mean 'or' or 'and'? Many of the Lanna script Pali words that I have supplied quotations for had no google hits when I added them, and I suspect Wiktionary and clones will still be the only source of google hits for many of them. --RichardW57m (talk) 12:34, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * On what basis do you claim that R:pra:Sheth provides an 'attestation'? It's only a dictionary! --RichardW57m (talk) 12:42, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * For the most part, you already have a solution to hand. Just start raising RfV against the entries you don't like.  Now, if we can change the colour coding on links so that a non-existing segment is colour differently to that for an extant segment, then the argument for satisfying the links largely goes away.  I had taken the view that a blue link effectively pointing to the wrong place was a defect in Wiktionary, and therefore fixed it.  I've just discovered that via a Wiktionary account, one can get these missing segment links coloured orange.  If only that were the default!  I had assumed that checking the existence of all the fragments referenced was too much effort for the servers.  Please also remember that inflection tables take some effort - irregularities are not held centrally.  --RichardW57m (talk) 12:26, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * There is, however, a downside. If you remove one Burmese script masculine Pali noun because no-one has yet got round to finding an attestation (unless you have a very low bar, not the same as verification), that's 16 words that can no longer be looked up in Wiktionary, unless one starts adding entries for all the inflected forms in the canonical script.  Even so, the citation form will still be hidden by the homograph in another language.  Of course, this only matters if you think that Wiktionary should be useful. --RichardW57m (talk) 12:26, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

"example needed" template
IIRC there is a template that says something like "Can we add an example to this entry?" Does anyone know what it is called?

Human-potato hybrid (talk) 01:04, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * — surjection ⟨??⟩ 02:00, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but why is it called rfex of all things? I suppose it's "request for example" but it would be nice if it had a long form so it's at least searchable in the template index... Human-potato hybrid (talk) 02:09, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It is indeed an abbreviation of "request for" + "example". The request templates tend to have abbreviated names and start specifically with "rf" ("request for"). Category:Request templates appears to have an index of request templates. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 13:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Category:Terms derived from Low German, Category:Terms derived from German Low German
Some examples: Questions: --Macopre (talk) 21:43, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Danish and Norwegian brille: From
 * platt-wb.de has ,
 * : from
 * Same has
 * : from
 * Same has (and )
 * : From
 * Same has
 * : from
 * The etymology mentions borer, drill which is, the translation gives worm which is
 * : from
 * Do the uncapitalised forms exist?
 * Even if they do, shouldn't the more normal forms with capitals be linked?
 * Do ō, á occur in Low German?
 * Even if they do, aren't there more normal spellings like with oo or oh for ō, and shouldn't they be linked?

 * Capitalized nouns should be the default for GLG, to the extent that we're separating it from  (and hence separating  ); the lowercase forms may just be carried over from references in those other languages. - -sche (discuss) 19:50, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Category:German dialectal terms
Aren't German dialects separate languages at Wiktionary? There are for example: So what's inside Category:German dialectal terms? --Macopre (talk) 18:09, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Central German
 * West Central German
 * Central Franconian (gmw-cfr)
 * Luxemburgish (lb)
 * Rhine Franconian (gmw-rfr)
 * East Central German (gmw-ecg)
 * Upper German
 * Alemannic (gsw)
 * Swabian (swg)
 * Bavarian (bar)
 * : "Upper German dialects"
 * That is, it's Alemannic, Swabian and/or Bavarian? Or is it not dialectal, but proper Standard High German used regionally, in this case in the south (Swabia, Swiss, Bavaria, Austria)?
 * : "dialectal" and "Now used in most Central German dialects"
 * That is, this part is Central Franconian (gmw-cfr) instead of dialectal German (de)?
 * : "Northern Germany dialects"
 * It's "Northern German dialects" and not "Northern Germany dialects"
 * Northern German dialects are Low German (nds). So is it only regional Standard High German, in this case northern?
 * , : "Prussia dialect", or from source code: "East Prussian dialect".
 * Why does "East Prussian dialect" turn into "Prussia dialect"? Westphalia and West Prussia were part of Prussia too. So "Prussia" is much less specific and clear.
 * Is this Low Prussian, and hence Low German, or High Prussian, and hence East Central German? Or non-dialectal but regional Standard High German?

 * Lichting probably doesn't meet CFI (in the dialectal sense; the surname does); I must've assumed, after being reminded of it by some book years ago, that it existed in enough other books to meet CFI, but it doesn't seem to. Uff OTOH is certainly encountered in modern dialectal, though the fact that it's also used in older   makes for a lot of chaff when searching; Cindy aus Marzahn's Nicht jeder Prinz kommt uff'm Pferd is an example (which in turn gets quoted in books, including one by Bessin herself, bypassing the question of whether the song was released in a durably archived format) . - -sche (discuss) 19:45, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Isn't that Cindy example regiolectal? Wikipedia states Cindy is a fictional Berlinian, and at youtube one can see and hear more Berlinian features ( with, , , with , ). It's the same as in the  with words like , , , ,  (all having the label "regional"): The original Low German dialect (mostly) died out, and was replaced by a Low German influenced German (de) regiolect. Surely, there also was foreign influence, like in the Ruhrpott with  from . --Macopre (talk) 21:31, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Your comment and [//en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=vertobaken&type=revision&diff=63167599&oldid=63167229 diff] lead me to wonder if you think "dialect" can only mean "separate language" and can't mean (regional) "variety of the standard language"...? That's not how "dialect" is used in English. It's confusing, not just for Germany's lects but for other languages as well, that we have both "dialectal" and "regional" categories when they overlap, but "dialect" isn't limited to separate languages; there's both a dialect of  spoken in Scotland and also a separate language  ; there can be both North German dialectal   and Low German. I'm not against imposing a (German) distinction and saying   terms should only be labelled "regional"/"regiolectal" and not "dialectal", but new users will doubtless continue using "dialectal", so it'd require perennial vigilance to maintain. - -sche (discuss) 00:12, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

 * Dialects are separate languages. But not everything that is dialect is already a separate language. Terms contained in Category:German dialectal terms are particularly likely to occur in sentences that have to be considered Standard German, though with “non-standard” elements (not saying that regionalisms can’t be standard).
 * Also if you deal with texts from the 16th–17th centuries you are ever unsure if something is dialect or Standard German, by reason that Standard German was not that standardized yet.
 * With “dialectal” instead of “regional” editors also try to say that terms are not only regional but also more vernacular than is considered standard, or “vulgar”. Fay Freak (talk) 20:22, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia and Wiktionary
How do I display Wikipedia and Wiktionary at the same time but in separate windows?

I cannot currently do this. I am given the choice of one or the other in one window.

Lyle Dean

 * What platform (OS and browser) are you using to access Wikipedia and Wiktionary? Can you have separate windows on different sites (e.g. Google Search and YouTube) simultaneously open at all? --Lambiam 22:17, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

eyespeak respelling
Anyone want to work out what "eyespeak respelling", as a description of the Polish translation of ACAB ([//en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=ACAB&type=revision&diff=63029909&oldid=60863931 diff]), means? I'm guessing the French should also be uncapitalized. - -sche (discuss) 20:56, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * calls CHWDP an “acronym or initialism” of the phrase   . HWDP arises as an initialism using an alternative spelling – which may be considered a phonetic respelling – of the first word of the full phrase.  --Lambiam 17:28, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

meaning of [t͡sː] in Russian
Is the pronunciation of this symbol always the same? It makes sense that it would be [tss] in the infinitives of reflexive verbs, but in other words like "отцы" and "-надцать" is it the same or is it [tts] or [tːs] ? Dngweh2s (talk) 19:05, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Austronesian tree data
How I can fix or rather request a fix of the tree data for Proto-Austronesian (map-pro)? I have seen that the node Proto-Malayo-Polynesian (poz-pro) has dozens of languages as primary branches which are actually all nested in one of the several subgroups. E.g. Alor (aol) is directly under (poz-pro), but actually should be under Proto-Central-Eastern Malayo-Polynesian (poz-cet-pro). I guess being just an EC-user, I cannot edit the data myself, but I can prepare a list for all necessary adjustments. All are uncontroversial, and can be based on standard sources such as Comparative Austronesian Dictionary (Tryon 1995), The Austronesian languages of Asia and Madagascar (Adelaar & Himmelmann 2005), and also Ethnologue, Glottolog, and the WP classification (which is all-in-all ok). NB this is not about spurious Sunda-Sulawesi, I've given up about this matter for the time being. –Austronesier (talk) 14:50, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

title: Wiktionary:Information desk/2021/July


text:
強搶

Verb

 * 1) to forcibly seize; to take away by force

title: 強搶


text:
Wiktionary:Information desk/2021/August

Dictionaries mentioned in Neologisms
"Neologisms" mentions "six major dictionaries of the English language". What are their names? Wikinights (talk) 11:48, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * My guess is OED, Collins, and Chambers for en-GB and Webster's Third, Random House and AHD for en-US, but I have no idea if those are the six DAVilla had in mind when he wrote that. —Mahāgaja · talk 12:02, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

 * Maybe we should remove the word "six". Equinox ◑ 12:05, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Typo
Hi, I'm not sure if this the right place to post this.

In the Appendix:Lithuanian Swadesh list, the translation for "to hit" is written as "mūšti", when it should be "mušti" (without a macron). The list is a template so I'm not sure how to edit it. Thanks! Etoza (talk) 14:44, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Try editing Module:Swadesh/data/lt. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 14:46, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Thank you! Etoza (talk)

What are the benefits of joining Wiktionary ?
Can we improve the site by adding videos and audios of music to attract more customers ?

 * It's a free dictionary of words, not a commercial gimmick to get paying "customers". Equinox ◑ 12:23, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

geminated affricates
Could [t͡sː] in square brackets mean anything other than [tsː] ? Dngweh2s (talk) 15:32, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It could, but it would be unfortunate to use to mean . —Mahāgaja · talk 06:29, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Sus
There should be the full form sustainable mentioned too

Romance quotes: Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, French, Romanian
Added a few quotes to, , , ,. Is there anybody who could check it, please? --16:55, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Double edit
How come this happens? ( / ) ·~   dictátor · mundꟾ  11:05, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Japanese question on sortkeys
Hello, I was looking about cleaning up Category:Japanese terms with homophones by adding sortkeys to all of the terms that are currently sorted under kanji — i.e. not given a hiragana reading to be sorted by. My question concerns whether terms should always be sorted under unvoiced kana — i.e. so that would be given the key てんき, the initial kana devoiced despite its actual pronunciation. Currently, there are terms such as, which respectively has the sortkey とうこう (again, unvoiced first syllable for the sortkey), seemingly supporting this idea; however, there's also e.g. , which is contrarily filed under ぼいん, not ほいん as I would have assumed. How should it be? Thanks. Kiril kovachev (talk) 20:40, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I can't think of an argument why unvoiced sorting would be preferable. Since homophony is about pronunciation, one would expect voicing to be a significant aspect. and  (とける) are homophone, but  (どける) is not.  --Lambiam 08:32, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I can tell you that, e.g. in the NHK Pronunciation Accent Dictionary, words are sorted based on this principle. There are no distinct voiced and voiceless headers, and e.g. ホニュウ (哺乳) and ボニュウ (母乳) appear right next to each other in the dictionary. It makes sense to separate them, in the end, but it equally makes sense not to, which is why I was trying to find out if we had a policy on this. Kiril kovachev (talk) 11:54, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * CAT:Japanese nouns at least doesn't seem to have any separation of voiced and voiceless. Even a hiragana entry like with no specified sortkey at all gets automatically sorted under て; there is no で. —Mahāgaja · talk 09:24, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! And, if that's the case, then I can enter in sortkeys for homophones voicelessly, I suppose? Kiril kovachev (talk) 11:54, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

An update. About Japanese confirms what I thought. Dakuten is sorted with unvoiced, although with a ' added to the end of the sortkey such that it appears after unvoiced. Handakuten is sorted with '' at the end. Sorry for the trouble, and thanks for your help. Kiril kovachev (talk) 19:52, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

How do I link to a specific section on a Wiktionary entry?
Hi! My name is Christian, and I am an administrator for the English language version of a project called Vikidia (verify here), and I am writing to ask for your help because I can't remember how to do something! Occasionally, when I am writing posts and messages to users (most of whom are children aged 8-13), if I have to use words which are a little more complex than I'd like, I cross-wikilink them to here, so that the user can understand what I mean. Sometimes your pages have lots of different sections, and I can't remember how to take the user clicking the link, straight to a specific section (for example, on verbatim, taking the user straight to the adverb section so that it opens directly on the meaning, instead of a page full of sections to click on!) If someone could show me how to do this, I'd really appreciate it! Thank you, DaneGeld (talk) 22:45, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * While you could link to anything that has a line in the Table of Contents at the top of the page (using the link from the TOC), that's usually a bad idea if you want to be sure the link is reliable for any period of time: on a wiki, things get added, removed, and moved around, which means the same link suddenly points to something entirely different.
 * The best way is to make sure the place you want to link to has a senseid template, and link to the entry with  (see the senseid documentation for details). Chuck Entz (talk) 23:06, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you Chuck. That would be the best way to do it I'm sure.  Unfortunately, I looked over the documentation for that and, quite simply, it goes way over my head.  I have no idea how to implement that or where to put it, what to do with it...  Where would I look to find the senseid and check if the definition I want, has one?  I can't see that tag on the verbatim entry, which is where I actually needed it.  Any chance you could explain it to me or would it be better to direct it to MediaWiki, since they wrote the coding?  DaneGeld (talk) 07:40, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Most entries don't have the senseid tag; doesn't. You'd have to add it yourself. —Mahāgaja · talk 11:48, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok. So can anyone explain to me in simple terms how I add one/create one/what I have to do, please? I do not understand the documentation as it's not clear. Does anyone on here have experience of adding these please? DaneGeld (talk) 14:22, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Basically, you do the following.
 * Go to the entry you want to link to.
 * Click the Edit button at the top right of the page.
 * Scroll down to the definition you want to link to.
 * On the definition line, add the text between the number sign   and the definition that comes after it.
 * Now change the text  to a very short summary, description, or identifier of the definition in question. This is the text that your link will contain.
 * Click Publish changes at the bottom of the page to save it. Now you can link to your definition using a link formatted like this (replace ‘entry_name’ with the entry name and ‘link_target_text’ with the text you entered in the last step):.
 * Alternatively, if you want to just link to a section the quick and dirty way without bothering with, you can also link to, say, an Adverb section like this: . However, keep in mind what Chuck said above about links made with this method being unreliable over time. — Vorziblix (talk · contribs) 15:10, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

holonym
Question: Under Antonyms: "(term that denotes a whole): meronym". Should that not be "term used to denote a thing that is a part of something else"? (as on menonym page) OR "of a term that denotes a whole: meronym"? 2003:CE:9745:5A89:3C63:EA87:3D31:C7DA 09:32, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

 * As presented it is confusing. The use of sense is meant to disambiguate between several senses of the headword, which in this case is the word . So the intention is that is an antonym of a word that means “a term that denotes a whole”. For a use in which the disambiguation is needed, see the antonyms of growth.  --Lambiam 12:55, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Dogrib varieties
May someone please edit the table on Category:Dogrib language to add a "Varieties" row with the values "Tłı̨chǫ Yatıì" and "Wıı̀lıı̀deh Yatıı̀". Thanks! --Arctic.gnome (talk) 14:50, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ —Mahāgaja · talk 15:54, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

all together
Hi. Can anybody add example sentences in all together? --Vivaelcelta (talk) 16:36, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I’ve added some, but have the uneasy feeling these are all a sum-of-parts, like all together can mean “all combined” simply because ”combined” is one of the meanings of . And we are missing an idiomatic sense with negative polarity (“he really sounds like he is not all together”). --Lambiam 12:07, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

play the advantage
Can anybody check the caption "Referee Héctor Baldassi extends his arms to signal that play the advantage" in play the advantage? I think it has mistakes. --Vivaelcelta (talk) 17:11, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. Is the use of the term restricted to association football – in which the label should be. more specifically, “” – or is it used more generally? BTW, what is a good way of indicating in the definition line that the subject of the verb is supposed to be a referee? By, or is there a better way?  --Lambiam 11:21, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Translations of
The current translations are all nouns, which I’d translate back into English as advantage law. Can I simply remove these translations? In Italian sources, I see uses of assegnare il vantaggio. The current Portuguese and Spanish translation have entries here ( and ), both of which have been assigned the PoS Noun but are defined as “play the advantage”, which is a verb. --Lambiam 11:36, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

title: Wiktionary:Information desk/2021/August


text: 强抢

title: 强抢


text:
ᎦᏅᏙᎩ

Noun

 * 1) saw (tool for cutting wood)

title: ᎦᏅᏙᎩ