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Talk:Moscow

RFD discussion: November–December 2020
RFD all senses from #4 onwards, i.e. all the tiny places. People can look in Wikipedia for this (other encyclopedias are available). It is not dictionary material. Mihia (talk) 22:43, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I would definitely keep the city in Idaho, as it's not tiny (population about 25,000 and home of the University of Idaho). I'm indifferent about the genuinely tiny places, but many of them, if kept, should be moved to different etymology sections as their names are not from the Russian city. —Mahāgaja · talk 23:03, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep them all, in fact I added one. These are the briefest of entries - if a user requires more info they can then refer to Wikipedia. I am against multiple etymology sections as the page would get rather messy, as has happened with other place entries (for US counties). Any different etymologies can be included under one heading. DonnanZ (talk) 13:06, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep all. The criterion of tininess is arbitrary and thus contentious and does not work for historical languages (how many people lived in each Βερενίκη?). Besides, I found the gloss “Brandon Estate” (as is occurring in many raps) useful, and it is inconsequential to delete whole villages when one should keep the names of mere buildings. We should have a template to add coordinates for all such entries. Fay Freak (talk) 16:18, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Geographical coordinates can be found in the Wikipedia articles, and I have resisted the temptation to include them (too cumbersome), but I do add Ordnance Survey grid references for British places (but not for Ireland and Northern Ireland, which have a different grid system). DonnanZ (talk) 11:27, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

 * WT has many more entries with many (rather) unimportant cities and towns, e.g. at . So it wouldn't only apply to, and be a bigger issue.
 * "said to be named after Luis de Moscoso Alvarado" -- that does indeed sound like at least ===Etymology 1=== and ===Etymology 2=== are needed, as Moscoso seems to be unrelated to Russian/Sclawic and thus the current single etymology is wrong for this place.
 * --2003:DE:371B:BD24:91F7:9E70:8932:41CD 14:52, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe that we should non-arbitrarily exclude ALL place names that have purely geographical and hence non-dictionary-relevant definitions, such as "town in X" or "village in Y". Exactly defining what kinds of non-geographical information can justify an entry may require some thought, but e.g. "capital city of a country" could be one. Mihia (talk) 15:11, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Etymology justifies. This is the same with for- and surenames, which are even less “dictionary-relevant”. Besides, note – to step away from Eurocentrism – only a limited set of scripts in the world distinguishes upper and lower case, which makes it even harder to make out in the first place whether something is a term one should look up in an encyclopedia. Happens often when you learn a language written in a unicameral script, that you search a word you happen to know but then find out, fretfully, it’s just somebody’s or some place’s name you don’t need to memorize for your daily vocabulary dose. In other cases, placenames are so uncertain that they do not fit as well into encyclopediae, and creating dictionary entries would go faster/smoother than creating encyclopedia entries: it’s a different thing, for in order to create a dictionary entry one would just need to know where it is and perhaps when it was used and perhaps quotes, while for Wikipedia I know not what one needs, the encyclopedia rules are much more complicated, and yet the encyclopediae aren’t complete either: There is this article about in the Encyclopedia of Islam (see there) which names many Malaysian place names which I could not even identify because now all is renamed or other things so that I only gave two meaning possibilities for that place name. And, to answer IP, etymologies can also be sorted under parts of speech, there are fans of this here, although it rarely happens (IP shall search the discussions if those are sought, I got stuff to do); apart from the fact that one etymology section can treat multiple senses of a word, and both is better than annoying people with forty etymology sections. Fay Freak (talk) 18:38, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The issue of multiple languages does raise the further spectre, which I believe has been mentioned before, of not only listing literally millions of place names in English, but multiplying these by every language that exists too, possibly with numerous duplicates as things are arranged at present. For example, presently we list our multiple Moscows as "English", but wouldn't the names of these places, should they ever be referred to, also be written "Moscow" in numerous other languages that use Latin script? Surely we would not want to list them separately under every language? Mihia (talk) 20:06, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I didn't realise that there's no translation section, but no, it can be spelt differently in other languages, e.g. 🇨🇬, and Moskva in several languages. DonnanZ (talk) 20:25, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Oops, there is a translations section, which was misplaced (now fixed). But there is no reason why Moscow in Maine can't be written in the spelling of a different language. DonnanZ (talk) 20:41, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, the Russian capital would poptentially be differently written in different Latin-script languages, but whether this extends to the tiny places in the US I'm not sure. We would have to look on, say, a German map. In any case, whether the same or different, the point remains that we would, if we took things to their present logical conclusion, multiply every place name in the world by every language in the world in which maps are published. It doesn't bear thinking about. Mihia (talk) 20:51, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * It has been mentioned and the argument expounded by me at and, and a bit on Votes/pl-2019-11/CFI policy for foreign given names and surnames. Fay Freak (talk) 20:53, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

 * I think the utility of listing the truly tiny unincorporated places is limited, but it has some utility: tiny places sometimes have (distinct) translations, e.g. the unincorporated Appoquinimink is Ahpukwënëmink in Unami, and this kind of thing is lexically interesting to record via translations tables. I am weakly inclined to keep (at least the incorporated places, and it does seem to be our practice to keep them all). Regarding "Surely we would not want to list them separately under every language": we could consider mentions of English placenames in other languages to be something akin to code-switching, like we might consider a Friulian newspaper article about to not be using "Hernández" as a Friulian surname. - -sche (discuss) 10:01, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Most definitely there is utility and interest in the etymologies, "translations" and just the recording of place names, however small. My issue is whether a (general) dictionary is the place to do this. Even though the "swamping" effect will probably be less apparent here than in a paper dictionary, I still feel that this is the province of a dedicated "Dictionary of place names" project, where there can be proper tailored support, such as integration of maps, and where there need be no concerns about including everything, however minor. Mihia (talk) 23:37, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * If we allow every dot on the map somebody will write a bot to create entries for every dot on the map. We see that sort of behavior on Wikipedia.  Vox Sciurorum (talk) 08:30, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Nor is every dot on the map recorded in Wikipedia. I looked in vain for Piano Flat in NZ. The name is intriguing enough. DonnanZ (talk) 09:30, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * NZ Topo Map came up trumps for Piano Flat. It looks like the flat area is shaped like a grand piano... DonnanZ (talk) 22:02, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I support a regularly running a bot creating entries for every dot on the map at least to a certain level of detail, subject to the requirement that the data sources applied have suffered sufficient human review, and of course that we have a map linking system with coordinates. E.g. if someone is going to create every community, city district, named body of water, forest or castle, vel sim. in Germany based on, I support that if it is ensured that only data is used that is old enough to be hardly hoaxical; and perhaps we need to categorize such toponyms more specifically lest the German proper nouns list be drowned. How does stand on this radical solution? I do not support such general inclusion of street names because this would introduce names of individuals through the back door, on the other hand they are just repetitive numbers in the United States and we have reasonable policies concerning the exclusion of numbers, and because it is too much data sizewise, out of the scope of this project – also in regard to the allotted funding. I also doubt this is ever viable for Arabic, it would require vocalized datasets that we would at best only have from one country, apart from the issue of the gender of place names, and I took Germany as an example because I know that there we have reliable data, which is well not the case in less developed countries (although surely parts of the Gulf are more developed than any area in Germany; don’t know about Jamaica) . If we have all places then next it is much more likely that people come write etymologies for places. Maybe also  would find that particularly helpful if such additions happened in his region under the said requirement. Fay Freak (talk) 11:57, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, Fay. I'm all for automation in general. If we can automatically insert data which would make meaningful dictionary entries, I don't see why we shouldn't. This matter and the Arbër Highway matter are bound to come up again in the future. It seems we as a community are stumped about this because nobody here knows precisely what's dictionary-worthy in these cases. The solution might be something as silly as setting a population count threshold: if the feature in question is in an area with a population lower than 100,000, don't include. We should probably have a BP topic about this. -- Dentonius (my politics | talk) 12:26, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I don't like the idea. Every toponym entry should be created and supervised by a human, otherwise quality will suffer. I am for quality versus quantity. --Vahag (talk) 18:27, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

 * Keep -- Dentonius (my politics | talk) 09:56, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I think place names should be subject to the same CFIs as any other word. Can we find three mentions uses of referring to Moscow, Idaho, from three independent sources in permanently archived media over more than a year? Probably so. What about referring to Moscow, West Virginia? No? Then delete it. —Mahāgaja · talk 12:01, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I don’t think so. In the end it is not that such cites do not exist, but that we don’t find them, sitting on our computers and trying our luck with free search engines. But is absolutely sure that every community and lake and forest and castle has such cites in Germany, presumably even including historical names in the last quarter of a millenium, but it is really otiose to go browse the local press archives to see about happenings at that lake or in that forest or to forage that literature about medieval castles which surely includes all of them. I remind that we are concerned with reality checks and the purpose of those citation criteria is to exclude terms that are not so real, that is ghost words and protologisms, terms that have not actually been used and terms that have not caught on enough to be included (because anyone on the internet can make new words, right), and we aren’t that many and not that well paid, so this “permanently archived media” stuff is neither as ideal nor as practical as you let it appear, and tbh it also tends to be insulting if constantly good efforts are curbed by that sword of Damocles of whether somebody can find. Fay Freak (talk) 12:32, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think the purpose of the CFI is solely to exclude protologisms and other made-up words, but also to meet the general rule "A term should be included if it's likely that someone would run across it and want to know what it means." If Moscow, West Virginia, is mentioned less than 3 times in permanently archived media, it isn't likely that someone will run across it and want to know what it means. —Mahāgaja · talk 14:17, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * You are doing as if people only consult this dictionary after reading permanently archived media. But maybe someone is in West Virginia and hears about the town but couldn’t ask so he looks for example here. Besides it is a strawman. You can’t know from the airchair that a community is mentioned rarely enough to be so unlikely enough come across as to be not inclusionworthy, apart from fact that we can assume the opposite that communities are mentioned in the local newspapers three times, and that appearing three times in permanently archived media is hardly an indication of being likely to be come across (which is a relevancy criterion that is agreed not to be the purpose of that clause). Fay Freak (talk) 14:44, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I should remind you that property, tax, birth and death records, as well as censuses are all durably archived. So are a large number of local newspapers and street directories. I can guarantee you that every place in the US that was inhabited at the end of the 19th century can be found in published records available at any genealogy website. Then there are the durably archived and published US Geological Survey maps that record a vast number of named geographical details covering every square mile of the US. I'm sure the same holds true for many other countries. Attestation is not a barrier for anything that shows up in official records.
 * The problem is that the names of certain things exist in sufficient quantities to be simply impossible for us to include. We have to draw a line. Aside from the memory limits and the limit of 2 MB of wikitext per page, we have to consider whether we want to have an entry for "main street" or "first street" that lists every city and town in the US that has one- that would make a phone book look like poetry by comparison. I would say that towns and villages are about the limit. I don't want to include miniscule geographical features just because there's a published deed that refers to Such-and-such Creek four miles from so-and-so's place. Chuck Entz (talk) 15:32, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

 * Keep. Reminds me of Paris, Texas. – Jberkel 12:11, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep "A large number of places" but delete the list of places (subsenses of sense 4, sense 5, sense 6). (Leaving aside places with a distinct etymology.)  I do not think we should list instances of names unless they are clearly in widespread use.  Moscow, Russia is clearly in widespread use — if you say "Moscow" much of the English-speaking world would hear "a city in Russia".  Moscow, Idaho is not (although I had heard of it).  We might already have English definitions of all of the cities that are clearly in widespread use.  For keeping the name defined as "a name of some cities", I see two ways to go:
 * Follow the same vague principles we use for personal names, where common names are included but very rare names are not. (A Dutch editor uses an arbitrary threshold of 1,000 people.  I have declined to add an English name borne by only about 100 living people.)
 * Require three durable uses for the name, which would qualify any name that has been used for an incorporated municipality in states where they are chartered by state statutes (which are durable). Mentions on maps do not count. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 15:37, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I must point out that maps are publications, often with ISBN numbers. I own hundreds of them. DonnanZ (talk) 10:23, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I have many maps, each of which mentions the name of many places. They are analagous to dictionaries or word lists, which are not sufficient to attest well-documented languages.  Suppose you have a map of Nevada.  The label by the dot reading "Las Vegas" is a mention of the name of a city while the sentence in the margin saying "Las Vegas is a great place to lose money" is a use. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 14:52, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure, you can buy maps that show big cities as dots. Or you can go for larger scales such as 1:50,000 or 1:25,000 for much more detail - the "Master Atlas of Greater London" has a scale of 1:19,000, and even larger for central London. Web pages like Topozone for Las Vegas are interesting to look at - you can zoom in or out or go whole screen, if only to block out the ads. I assume you can buy these maps. DonnanZ (talk) 19:52, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

 * The problem with arbitrary inclusion is that one never knows what mentions of the name a user might come across. This happened to me with, California, a former settlement mentioned in a book I have. Even if a place becomes a ghost town or loses its population and buildings, the location can still be known by the name it had in the past. For that reason, I find it better to include all places with the name, regardless of population or the lack of it. DonnanZ (talk) 10:23, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  19:15, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm almost indifferent about this. However, I would just like to mention that the argument of "Number of dots times Number of languages" is irrelevant. This is a Wiki site and so the space does not matter in the way the argument suggests. Heavens! If What3word can label every 3x3 meter square in the world with only 3 words, and do it in various languages, then I cannot see the validity of the "slippery slope" argument here. Yet again. -- A LGRIF  talk  16:39, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep — town/village names are absolutely dictionary material, no matter how small or unpopulated. Send any dubious ones to RFV for verification. PseudoSkull (talk) 19:06, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

RFD kept — Dentonius 10:52, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

RFD discussion: November 2020–March 2021
Rfd-sense: (metonymically) The government of Russia or the Soviet Union.. The sense was added and citations added by User:Stephen G. Brown, no longer active.

I'd like to review this sense and if it does apply here, then it would also apply to many other capital cities. E.g. using Berlin when talking about the German government, Beijing when talking about the Chinese government. This kind of metonymy is very common. In my opinion, we should delete this sense. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 00:59, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

 * Keep -- This is precisely the purpose of a dictionary -- to inform people about these kinds of usages. -- Dentonius (my politics | talk) 18:26, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * On balance, despite the potential open-endedness of this kind of metonymy, I think we should keep this particular entry. Mihia (talk) 14:47, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Do we need to add the country sense to each country city just for the heck of it and because we can? (sarcasm). --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 00:50, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

 * I am inclined to delete' per Anatoli because this metonomy is very productive, but I'm also open to a merge into a single definition. On the other hand, I would keep such a sense for Brussels, so perhaps that is a little inconsistent... probably not though. ;) For one, Brussels for "EU/EC" often is misapplied for institutions that aren't the EU/EC or are not even based in Brussels. ←₰-→  Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  11:01, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

 * Keep. Not SOP, meets WT:CFI (or else move to WT:RFVE). In English it's common metonymy, but what about other languages? Do Russian, Japanese, Chinese, Italian, Latin, Gothic, aboriginal languages ... do have the same metonymy? --幽霊四 (talk) 15:27, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

 * Keep, definitely. Berlin, Beijing, Canberra, Paris, London, Washington, etc. all have that sense defined. "Washington was concerned over Berlin's natural gas deal with Moscow". Facts707 (talk) 14:53, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

 * RFD-kept. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 08:41, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

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User talk:Jberkel/2020

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Dari
Regarding [//en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=peanuts&oldid=prev&diff=58688821 diff]: Dari is treated as a (etymology-only) variant of Persian (following this discussion, as recorded in the central archive of such things). If the translation is valid it could be readded as  with a qualifier. - -sche (discuss) 19:49, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

admin 3
Hey. you haven't been asked in at least a year. Want to become an admin? I can set up a vote for you. You're bound to pass it, as you're awesome. --AcpoKrane (talk) 11:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , another year has passed, and it looks like you could use it... —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 21:33, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

The word "shazaam"
Hi. I saw you reverted my edits. Is it because of wrong format or something else? Tainangwong (talk) 08:38, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, your edit is mostly copy-pasted content from other pages, there is no need to copy translations and references to each page. Your edit can be shortened to "Possibly from a sporadic spelling change from ". Can you source this? The information at the moment is contradictory (shazam already refers to shazaam as main form, which might be incorrect). – Jberkel 09:07, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Gadget pour lier Wiktionary et Wikidata
Salut,

Il me semble que ce gadget pourrais t'intéresser : fr:Discussion Projet:Coopération/Wikidata. Si tu as des questions ou des commentaires, n'hésite pas.

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 17:29, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Undo revision 59174510 by Kent Dominic (re. eponymous)
Why? --Kent Dominic (talk) 10:04, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * References should go to the bottom of the page, in the reference section, and not be added inline. You can just add there if you want. – Jberkel 12:28, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I figured as much, but I wrongly assumed that whoever knew how to do it would simply edit my addition rather than revert it and thus prompt a discussion such as this. Despite your recommendation, I still haven't worked out how to do what you've prescribed. Could you go ahead and do it so I can see how it's done? Thanks in advance. Also, in a case such as this, should the existing reference to "eponymous” in Lexico, Dictionary.com; Oxford University Press." be deleted upon adding the Merriam-Webster reference? It's no more useful than a reference to any other dictionary. Point being, the Wiktionary definition for eponymous was sourced from Merriam-Webster, not Oxford/Lexico. --Kent Dominic (talk) 22:36, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, no, it's useful and should not be deleted. If you want to make the distinction, you can move the lexico template to a new section "Further reading". – Jberkel 22:42, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Noted. Thanks. --Kent Dominic (talk) 14:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

palaestra
I can find no evidence that Italian or Spanish "borrowed" this word from Latin, rather than simply inheriting it from the Latin language. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:26, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * "borrowed" (DCVB), "borrowed" (Tlfi),  "probably borrowed" (wikt),  "borrowed" (wikt). The fact that none of these languages have inherited the word means that it's likely a borrowing in Spanish as well. Or all these etymologies are wrong. – Jberkel 23:06, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

"Recorte" in Portuguese
You're the second to revert it. The first one was from 2017, which also deleted the whole section for the metaphorical and idiomatic meaning of recorte. Both of you didn't really point out the reason to revert the addition. So, what's up? João Paulo Zarelli Rocha (talk) 20:23, 3 May 2020 (UTC) Dioscorides (João Paulo Zarelli Rocha)
 * The first revert Special:Diff/48217108/48217273 said "looks like that's already covered", and I agree with that. It's just a clipping/summary, in this case of some academic research. But you could add it as usage example: . – Jberkel 17:44, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Italian IPA project
We can, in theory, bot-add with the appropriate parameters to all Italian entries that lack IPA, have, lack , and lack spaces. We can also bot-add it to entries that lack, but do have where stress is marked (so where one of the arguments to  contains a vowel with a grave accent. Finally, we can bot-add it to any disyllabic Italian entries that lack both  and , but lack diacritics in the pagetitle and have any of as their first vowel — but these would have to be scanned by a human first to catch borrowings with unchanged orthography, mostly from English. (I was talking to Erutuon about this project last year, but I don't think he ever compiled the list to be botted.) If you're still interested, I would be happy to help however I can. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 23:47, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmm, it looks like I compiled this list of "titles of Italian entries that can have Template:it-IPA added based on the contents of Template:rhymes or Template:hyphenation", though I don't recall the exact criteria. It probably needs to be updated now. — Eru·tuon 01:19, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for digging that up! That list also includes entries that already have IPA (and did when the list was created), which seems like a very low priority. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 01:24, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a worthwile project, and there's clearly a need for pronunciation in all entries, also inflected ones (these rarely have or, though). I'll see if I can compile a new list based on these criteria. – Jberkel 11:38, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. As I see it, inflected forms are stage 2 of this project, once most lemma entries have IPA. (French is currently ready for stage 2, but that's a project for another day, I suppose.) —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 17:34, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Inadequate use of syn template
Hi. I noticed you just edited joder changing my synonyms to be inside Template:syn. I find this inadequate as these phrases are not idiomatic enough to be included in Wiktionary (I have added such things in the past only to see them deleted!). For example, in "irse a tomar por culo", "irse" should link to and the rest should link to the truly idiomatic.

My previous format was therefore more adequate, since it doesn't produce red links that cannot be fixed. However, I completely agree it was not a happy solution as then the synonyms end up untagged, and the font size is also wrong. What do you suggest would be better?--Ser be etre shi (talk) 22:58, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The fix is simple. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 23:05, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Do you think it would be called for to use Template:l instead of bare links? I never know when it is Good to use templates and when not to, since it is also in my interest to prevent the Lua engine from running out of memory, as it does in some pages (e.g. the article on the Chinese number one, "一", and its currently unreadable Korean entry).--Ser be etre shi (talk) 23:28, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * On pages with just one language (such as ) it's very unlikely that Lua will run out of memory, so there's no need to prematurely optimized for that. – Jberkel 05:39, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * More to the point, the reason we use over bare links is to link to the correct language section, but inside of, bare links already know which language section to link to and do so correctly, so using  would be pointless. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 17:46, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * True, this is standard Wiktionary link template behaviour, but not at all obvious. – Jberkel 19:07, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Translation Reverted
Greetings. I noticed you reverted my translation of the word "Merda" to Portuguese in https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Merda Just wanted to ask if it was because it was inappropriate, or perhaps if I misinterpreted the point of that page. (I assumed was to provide meanings and translations to the word in various different other languages as I've seen with other words). Would love to hear back from you. An Intellectual Cat (talk) 21:24, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Wiktionary is case-sensitive, so the correct place for this is https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/merda. It already has definitions for Portuguese. – Jberkel 21:34, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

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As the process of name change is ongoing for the Wikimedia Foundation, I invite you to participate to a collective opinion from the user group. There is also a proposal for a communique directed to the WMF. You are welcome to discuss it too. Thank you in advance, and I hope we can meet soon! Let me know if you plan to bike toward Lyon!  Noé 15:08, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Merci de me prévenir et pour ton élan, j'ai ajouté un commentaire à la discussion. – Jberkel 20:22, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Merci ! Face-smile.svg Noé 20:25, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

swag
Hello, you reverted my edit, and said that if I think the reversion is in error I should leave a message on your talk page. My edit was explained in the edit summary. The entry, as it stands, is inaccurate and benefits from the correction.Cachequarto (talk) 11:29, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * What's inaccurate about it? The source states "Yet that fact stops few from reaching for acronymic explanations for a variety of far older words, especially in instances where the true etymologies aren’t crystal clear. Not surprisingly, none of those explanations is correct." In short, it's a common pseudo-etymology. Your edit doesn't add anything useful to the entry, and there's no need to repeat all the other incorrect derivations. – Jberkel 11:58, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response, and I’ll respond to your question "What’s inaccurate about it?” and focus on two examples. First, the use of the word "common" in the entry is inaccurate.  The source never claims that its "acronymic explanation" is "common", there is no good reason to speculate that the source would make that claim.  It is incorrect for Wiktionary, in this case, to imply that "common" is supported by the source.  It may be common or rare, but Wiktionary should depend on what source says.  Second, I also think that the use of the hyphenated phrase “pseudo-etymology" seems extraordinary and almost grand, considering that the source refers to the same thing as a mere "claim" based on a "rumor".  There’s no need to dress it up. The word and concept of "etymology" is a significant and important word in this dictionary, and should be used with care — pseudo or otherwise.  And in fact, the source is being very careful not to use the word "etymology" in reference to its examples of "acronymic explanations".  The only reason for replacing "rumor" with more impressive language (I think) might be a Wiktionary-editor’s desire to make the rumored content sound worthy of belonging in this dictionary.  One solution to all this is simple — just adhere to the source with strict accuracy and plain language.  I don’t see why not.

 * Regarding the examples provided by the web-page source, it’s hard to select just one, and not seem to be giving that one a spot-light for some unstated reason. By providing a couple or three, it seems (to me anyway) to give the reader a better understanding. Thanks.  Cachequarto (talk) 13:21, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, an etymology is a "claim" for the origin of a word. And "Snopes" uses the word etymologies in the snippet I referenced above. A pseudo-etymology is a false claim. There's nothing grand about it. Regarding "common": the source says "that fact stops few" = "many". A Google search for "secretly we are gay" returns 400.000 hits. "to give the reader a better understanding": there's an external source linked, whoever's interested can just follow that. No need to re-propagate them all here. – Jberkel 13:48, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You’re using words in a casual manner, which of course is okay, but "etymology" is not strictly a mere claim, it is a study of the historical development of languages. Why not say simply say "rumor" or "claim" (or something close to that), since that’s what the source says?  And "that fact stops few" is not a reference to the derivation of "swag", as you seem to suggest, it is a reference to “explanations” of various words (plural).  Why shouldn’t this entry be strictly accurate?Cachequarto (talk) 14:25, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The source obviously talks about the etymology of the word (factual and fabricated), uses the word "etymology" (twice), and says its wrong. We simply restate this. End of story. – Jberkel 15:55, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, you can drop this, however the source never uses the word "etymology" the way the entry does, which is to say the source never uses "etymology" in reference to an acronymic explanation (not once). The source uses the words "rumor" and “claim"  (and acronymic explanation).  If Wiktionary were simply repeating what the source says, it might use "rumor" or "claim" also.  I think that Wiktionary spins in order to make the content sound more impressive than the source reports.  The entry’s claim that it is "common" is also not supported — and of course why would anybody suggest that?  I’m sorry there is not resolution in this, but it's fine.  Best wishes. Cachequarto (talk) 17:28, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

al di là
You recently undid my edits on this page for failure to provide an explanation. My rationale (which I admittedly should have added to the edit summary - my mistake) is that I moved that content to al di là di, the only construction that actually means "beyond." I then added that new page under the "see also" of al di là. Is this enough to keep my previous deletion and revert back to that version of the page? Imetsia (talk) 13:43, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * That's fine, please put something like "moved to al di là di " in the edit summary, otherwise it looks like the content was simply deleted. Your edit also left an empty reference section, which should be removed as well. – Jberkel 13:53, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

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Blafard
Thanks for your patience with my edit to the 'blafard" page. I was trying to add an English translation of the French in the quotation drop down, and I finally got it to take but not to format as part of the drop down. Thus is my first attempt admit editing Wiktionary. I've made corrections to Wikipedia articles in the past, but I need to find a tutorial for Wiktionary.

I ran across the word in the Jules Verne story "Round the Moon," which is the sequel / second part of "From the Earth to the Moon." I've been reading old Science Fiction on Gutenberg.org, and this one is in my current rotation. I use the ReadEra app on my phone to read EPUBs, and keep open windows for Wikipedia and Wiktionary to look up things, like places or devices on Wikipedia and odd or sold vocabulary on Wiktionary. I'd really like to figure out how to get the entire translation under the dropdown.

Thanks again for a sympathetic ear! :-) . Stargzer (talk) 18:13, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello You have to add an additional parameter translation to the  template. It should look like this: (I've omitted the previous values for clarity)
 * As another editor remarked, please avoid Google Translate for translations. – Jberkel 18:30, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * As another editor remarked, please avoid Google Translate for translations. – Jberkel 18:30, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Ok, I'll give that a try. I also use another site, systranet.com, which does lot of modern languages. I like Google for their Latin translation. Personally, I think I trust the CIa and the NSA with my personal information than I do Google, but not the FBI these days. ;-) . Stargzer (talk) 02:23, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Well, I'm not sure it's the most elegant, but it's better than it was before. The translation shows up outside the drop down at first, then indented when you click the drop down arrow.

One thing I like about Wiktionary is that you can enter a word or phrase and it will figure out which language if is, so you don't have to try to figure out which dictionary to use. I can guess between French, Spanish, German, but it zone others.

Thanks again for your help with the translation tag! Stargzer (talk) 03:02, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I've removed your translation again. I didn't just mean Google; you shouldn't add any translation unless you got it from a translator (who should then be credited), or you know the language well enough to translate it yourself. You clearly don't know French, as evidenced by translating on distinguait as "there was", which is unquestionably wrong. When you add incorrect or machine-made translations, you aren't helping to build the dictionary, but are instead making it less reliable by introducing errors. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 03:25, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

OK. I used Systranet.com, which I've used long before Google came up with its translation program. I did notice that Systranet couldn't translate blafard, but Google could, which is why I use one to check the other. My three years of high school French ended in 1969, and until Systranet came along I depended on a dictionary. In French II, a girl from Marseille was living with a family down the street and helped me with my homework. When I went to use "de la" With a feminine noun, she told me I could use the contraction "du," which is use with masculine nouns. The next day, Fr. Eric, who was a dead ringer for Vincent Price, Sid it was incorrect. "But my friend is ftom France, from Marseille!" "Non," was his reply, "We are learning Parisienne!" :-D  Stargzer (talk) 03:40, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

I went back to each translation program to check "on distinguait." Systranet.com seems to have ignored it, while Google seems to have done an interpretation ("we could make out") rather than a literal interpretation ("we distinguished"). Oh, well, I don't know where my big French dictionary is. One translation it has for "donut" is "pet de nonne! Stargzer (talk) 04:00, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Pommes
German Pommes derives from French pommes (via pommes frites), and the lemma form of pommes is pomme. It would be informative to include this in the entry for pomme, but I would be open to suggestions about how best to do this. Freelance Intellectual (talk) 21:39, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * We usually only list direct descendants, otherwise the lists could get very long, and it's not clear how words are related. – Jberkel 22:26, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * There are many entries which include complicated descendants, e.g. شاه. In the case of "Pommes", there are no intermediate languages, with the only complication being the word "pommes" vs. the phrase "pommes frites".  I will follow the example of شاه and add a note to clarify the loan.  Thanks for pointing out that it needs to be clear how the words are related. Freelance Intellectual (talk) 11:57, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Following this logic almost anything could be added as a descendant (and sometimes is). German Pommes is just a shortening of Pommes frites (which does not exist in this form in French), so calling it a descendant of pomme is a bit far-fetched. But well. – Jberkel 12:54, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I think it would better go under pommes frites, but that already links to a German entry. I don't think an additional descendant is necessary or useful here. ←₰-→  Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  15:54, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I think an additional descendant is useful here because the derivation from French pommes to German Pommes is an unusual one that many readers may find surprising and interesting. Furthermore, for some German speakers at least, Pommes frites would be perceived as a compositional phrase rather than an opaque term (even for a monolingual German speaker, there are related words like frittieren "to fry").  The meaning of "Pommes" narrowed so that "Pommes frites" means "fried chips" (rather than "fried potatoes") and hence the word "frites" is superfluous.  I think it is reasonable to directly point out the connection between Pommes and pomme (as the lemma of pommes).  There are already 14 other descendants listed under pomme, and I don't think the logic of adding this one will lead to any more, but if there are other similar descendants, I would be happy to discuss them. Freelance Intellectual (talk) 16:36, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It might also be worth highlighting the fact that in the majority of the German-speaking world, "Pommes" is the standard term, rather than "Pommes frites" or "Pommfritts" or another such variant. (For example, see: ) So in discussing whether "Pommes" is a shortening, we need to distinguish its etymology from its use in the modern language. Freelance Intellectual (talk) 16:51, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It's true that in spoken German Pommes is the dominant form, but the descendants section is concerned with etymology, not use. It's an unusual relationship, but I'm not sure where it could be documented. On the other hand, the etymology information for Pommes and Pommes frites make it clear that it derives from pomme. – Jberkel 19:33, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * In distinguishing etymology from use, I mean that we can see Pommes as a standalone term (in contast to: Category:German_contractions) -- I think we're in agreement on this, but I just wanted to make sure we're on the same page. Tracing the etymology from Pommes to pomme is straightfoward, following wikilinks in the Etymology sections (in Pommes then Pommes frites then pommes frites).  In the opposite direction, I think it should be just as straightforward to find Pommes as a descendant of pomme, looking under the Descendants sections of entries.  I hope the additional clarifying note that I added is enough to indicate that this descendant is somewhat unusual, being historically strongly collocated with another word (frites). Freelance Intellectual (talk) 22:03, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Dates for German FWOTDs
Would you happen to know good, relevant dates for either Kiez or Lefze? Or if you have suggestions regarding other FWOTD nominations that is also helpful. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  12:12, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmm, don't know. I'd try to find a good pair with the WOTD, but nothing matching in the next weeks. – Jberkel 17:29, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * All right, thanks for your time and effort. You don't have to look for possible pairs with WOTDs by the way, because almost all the FWOTDs up to December have been set and the German one for January 2021 has been set as well. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  17:36, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Appendix:German pronunciation
I noticed that you reverted the phonemic transcription for “Pseudogetreide” (from /ˈpsɔʏdoɡəˌtʁaɪ̯də/ to /ˈpsɔɪ̯doɡəˌtʁaɪ̯də/). The “Appendix:German pronunciation” page on the English Wiktionary gives “/ɔʏ/” as the (recommended) phonemic transcription of the German diphthong in the words “Heu” and “Räuber”, but Note 5. also says “Some references transcribe this diphthong as /ɔɪ/.” Have an excellent day! Hans-Friedrich Tamke (talk) 23:59, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * "Duden Ausprachewörterbuch" and German Wiktionary use, we seem to have a mix: has ,  . Looks like the appendix was based on the English Wikipedia (w:Help:IPA/Standard_German, ). I think we should settle on one variant,  seems to be more prevalent. , you created Appendix:German pronunciation, what's your opinion on this? – Jberkel 01:26, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I have a weak preference for over  as most sources I've consulted consider the second element of the diphthong to be rounded. My 1990 print edition of the Duden Aussprachewörterbuch (ISBN 3-411-20916-X) uses  (but I dislike using ties, whether above or below, for diphthongs), while De Gruyter's Deutsches Aussprachewörterbuch (ISBN 978-3-11-018203-3) has decided that German diphthongs end on open-mid vowels and writes  as well as  and, all of which frankly make my skin crawl. Likewise various books on German phonology that I have use some form of  or  for the second element. But  isn't wrong, and German Wiktionary's highly prescriptivist editors probably have a good reason for using it. —Mahāgaja · talk 10:03, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * My guess is that the German Wiktionary just follows Duden in this respect. If we decide to keep we'll need some script to periodically fix the IPA, as it is often copied verbatim from there. Or we adapt  and change the existing  instances. Perhaps best to open a discussion in the BP. – Jberkel 18:08, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

For the word “Pseudogetreide”, the German Wiktionary gives the phonetic transcription [ˈpsɔɪ̯doɡəˌtʁaɪ̯də] and the English Wiktionary now gives the phonemic transcription /ˈpsɔɪ̯doɡəˌtʁaɪ̯də/ for the same word. Here are some other examples of various transcriptions - English Wiktionary: Leute /ˈlɔʏ̯tə/, Häuser /ˈhɔʏ̯zɐ/, Neuzeit /ˈnɔɪ̯tsaɪ̯t/, Deutsch /dɔʏ̯t͡ʃ/ (Hochdeutsch /ˈhoːxdɔʏ̯tʃ/, Plattdeutsch /ˈplatˌdɔʏ̯t͡ʃ/, Judendeutsch /ˈjuːdn̩ˌdɔɪ̯t͡ʃ/, Kiezdeutsch /ˈkiːt͡sˌdɔɪ̯t͡ʃ/); German Wiktionary: Leute [ˈlɔɪ̯tə], Häuser [ˈhɔɪ̯zɐ], Neuzeit [ˈnɔɪ̯ˌt͡saɪ̯t], Deutsch [dɔɪ̯t͡ʃ] (Hochdeutsch [ˈhoːxdɔɪ̯tʃ], Plattdeutsch [ˈplatdɔɪ̯t͡ʃ], Judendeutsch [ˈjuːdn̩ˌdɔɪ̯t͡ʃ], Kiezdeutsch [ˈkiːt͡sˌdɔɪ̯t͡ʃ]). Sometimes the English Wiktionary gives both a phonemic transcription and a phonetic transcription for various German words (e.g., Haus /haʊ̯s/, [haʊ̯s]), whereas the German Wiktionary seems to only give a phonetic transcription. Hopefully, a consistent phonemic transcription and/or a phonetic transcription can be agreed upon for German words in both the German and English wiktionaries. Hans-Friedrich Tamke (talk) 00:05, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * At German Wiktionary, the template de:Vorlage:Lautschrift automatically generates square brackets rather than slashes. I strongly doubt that most editors or readers there take that seriously to mean "this is a phonetic representation and not a phonemic one". In my opinion, there is very rarely a good reason to include a narrow phonetic transcription in a dictionary; I don't think anyone benefits from seeing "" at . —Mahāgaja · talk 15:03, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Here are more examples of phonemic and/or phonetic transcriptions? English Wiktionary: Bach /baχ/, Evolution /ʔevoluˈtsi̯oːn/, Furcht /fʊrçt/, [fʊʁçt], [fʊɐ̯çt], können /ˈkœnən/, [ˈkœnən], [ˈkœnn̩], Kreation /ˌkʁeː.aˈtsjoːn/, Kunst /kʊnst/, [kʰʊnst], Lache /ˈlaːxə/, [ˈläːχə]  and /ˈlaxə/, [ˈläχə], Pferd /pfeːrt/, [pfeːɐ̯t] , /feːrt/, [feːɐ̯t], [fɛɐ̯t]  and /pfɛrt/, [pfɛrt], [pfɛɐ̯t] , reich  /ʁaɪ̯ç/, Reichtum /ˈʀaɪ̯çtuːm/, Taube /ˈtaʊ̯.bə/, [ˈtʰaʊ̯.bə], treu /tʁɔʏ̯/, Treue /ˈtʀɔɪ̯ə/; German Wiktionary:  Bach [bax], Evolution [evoluˈt͡si̯oːn], Furcht [fʊʁçt], können [ˈkœnən], Kreation [kʁeaˈt͡si̯oːn], Kunst [kʊnst], Lache [ˈlaːxə], Pferd [p͡feːɐ̯t]  and [p͡fɛʁt] , reich [ʁaɪ̯ç], Reichtum [ˈʁaɪ̯çtuːm], Taube [ˈtaʊ̯bə], treu [tʁɔɪ̯], Treue [ˈtʁɔɪ̯ə]. We do need to strive for greater consistency in our Wiktionary transcriptions of German words. For more information, please see the English Wikipedia article: “Phonetic transcription” . Have a great day! Hans-Friedrich Tamke (talk) 20:52, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Citoid
Ich freue mich sehr drauf. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 13:39, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Fast fertig–almost there! – Jberkel 17:37, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Your revert
This one should be trivial, yet you reverted. Tuvalkin (talk) 07:50, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi there, I reverted your edit because it doesn't add anything to the entry, the individual words are already linked from the headword line (see Etymology). What's more interesting to know here is the origin of the expression, its first use etc, later clarified in Special:Diff/59308615/59308617. – Jberkel 08:02, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I see. Thanks for explaining. However the warning that says «This etymology is missing» is misleading as it seems to invite users to add the etymology, which is what I did. The explanation of what is meant (incorrectly) as "etymology" for this kind of compounds should be summarized in this section, or maybe its heading should read instead "Origin", leaving out etymology altogether, or filling it automaticly, or replace it with a standard, transcluded warning. Or change nothing, and people like me will keep adding trivial etymologies mislead by the current warning, to be revrted by the likes of you, ad æternum. Tuvalkin (talk) 08:22, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * You're right, that's why I added Special:Diff/59308615/59308617, which I've just restated a bit to make it clearer what kind of information we're after. – Jberkel 08:28, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Why the revert?
Why did you revert my change? Ejms07 (talk) 14:19, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you referring to Special:Diff/61193468/61193566? A dead link is no reason to remove content from a page. I agree that the reference was misleading–I restored it in a later edit. The other bits you added are missing the cited text–with content, they could go to the Citations page. – Jberkel 14:35, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

The problem with the reference is not a real example, is a derogatory reference to a group of our society because of their political ideology and as a result gives the impression of Wikitionary is not a reliable source because anyone can vandalized the page. Ejms07 (talk) 14:48, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't follow. The reference provides bibliographic data for the first attestation claim. Yes, things can get vandalized here, it's the nature of a wiki. – Jberkel 14:54, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, wrong edit, sorry. The sense you mention was probably vandalized, see Requests for verification/Non-English. – Jberkel 15:10, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

So, how can be fixed? Ejms07 (talk) 15:26, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
 * If nobody can prove that it means what it claims it means it will be removed. – Jberkel 15:29, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Ok, thank you! Ejms07 (talk) 17:59, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

backronym
I've created a section on Talk:backronym referencing your revert.

Meiskam (talk) 16:36, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Reverted contributions
Hi Jberkel! I've had my eye on Attero-D and their contributions, but since I'm not a native German speaker, I've tried to keep out of it. However, I also find some of their contributions problematic and would like to know if you feel that an admin intervention is warranted. Don't hesitate to let me know if I can help! --Robbie SWE (talk) 11:44, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, it looks like they're on some agenda with removing certain content from pages ("African-German", Special:Diff/60774694/61285739) and other problematic race-related edits (Special:Diff/51652122/61288313). – Jberkel 12:11, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * That's what I suspected. I'll keep an eye on it, but you might want to leave a message on their talkpage just to cover all the bases. --Robbie SWE (talk) 13:11, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Votes/2020-09/Install Citoid
Hello! Regarding this vote that was successful, I wanted to ask you how I should enable the new feature in my device. It does not appear in my preferences. Also, I have another, general—albeit bigger—problem: apparently because I edit using mobile, the special gadgets that I have enabled for me (as well as basic things like reverting edits!) actually do not work; these do work when I switch over to desktop view, but editing in desktop view is very unwieldly on mobile. So, is it impossible to have these features while editing in mobile view? Thank you. — inqilābī  ‹inqilāb·zinda·bād› 20:25, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Editing support on mobile isn't great unfortunately, some features just don't exist. To use Citoid you need to edit in the visual editor, or the 2017 wikitext editor. It looks like the 2017 editor is only supported on desktop. This means you're stuck with Visual Editor on mobile, which does not work well for this use case. So you would have to activate the VisualEditor, use the "Cite" button, then switch back to the source view to make changes. – Jberkel 00:33, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:get through to

RFD discussion: November 2020–January 2021
Redundant to get through. Benwing2 (talk) 00:13, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete if the corresponding sense at get through is expanded. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  11:01, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * RFD-deleted. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 22:42, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Lemmings say Keep (nb: including MWOnline). See . DCDuring (talk) 23:40, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Semantically, none of the definitions of get through have the meaning of get through to when to is added. DCDuring (talk) 23:43, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

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text: Thesaurus:心態

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qipoqqaq

Etymology
From, from.

Noun

 * 1) humpback whale

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chovanec

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  ward
 * 2)  adoptee

title: chovanec


text:
oglinjoară

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) ; small mirror

title: oglinjoară


text:
палеобиология

Etymology
. Borrowed from, from , from +  +.

Noun

 * 1) palaeobiology/paleobiology

title: палеобиология


text: chován

title: chován


text:
qipoqqarpoq

Etymology
From, from. See Greenlandic.

Verb

 * 1)  to capture a humpback whale
 * N.B. This term seems to only appear in the 1927 dictionary, Den grønlandske ordbog, and may now be obsolete.

title: qipoqqarpoq


text: Thesaurus:精力

title: Thesaurus:精力


text: qipoqqat

title: qipoqqat


text:
ᎤᏓᏴᎳᏛ

Noun

 * 1) shadow

title: ᎤᏓᏴᎳᏛ


text: embættisnafni

title: embættisnafni


text: Thesaurus:喝酒

title: Thesaurus:喝酒


text:
ᏙᏓᏆᏍᎬᎢ

Noun

 * 1) Sunday

title: ᏙᏓᏆᏍᎬᎢ


text:
embættisnafn

Etymology
From.

title: embættisnafn


text:
ᎬᎾᏬᏗᎭ

Verb

 * 1) he/she is melting it

title: ᎬᎾᏬᏗᎭ


text:
ᎦᏃᎭᎵᏙᎯ

Noun

 * 1) hunter

title: ᎦᏃᎭᎵᏙᎯ


text: Thesaurus:屢次

title: Thesaurus:屢次


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Baŭdo

Proper noun

 * 1) Émile Baudot French engineer

title: Baŭdo


text: chovám

title: chovám


text: chováš

title: chováš


text: chová

title: chová


text: choval

title: choval


text: schoval

title: schoval


text:
soțioară

Etymology
From.

title: soțioară


text: Baŭdon

title: Baŭdon


text: schován

title: schován


text:
Schovanec

Etymology
From.

title: Schovanec


text:
baŭdo

Etymology
Named for French engineer Émile Baudot (1845–1903).

Noun

 * 1)  baud

title: baŭdo


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säteilysumu

Noun

 * 1)  radiation fog

title: säteilysumu


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کرگ

Etymology
From. More at.

Noun

 * 1)  a rhinoceros
 * 2) * 10th Century CE, Ferdowsi, Shahnameh
 * "fa"

- چو شب شد شنیدند آواز کرگ سکندر بپوشید خفتان و ترگ

title: کرگ


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डफ

Etymology
, from, ultimately from. The term was nativised (as opposed to the expected ), perhaps by the influence of.

Noun

 * 1) daf kind of drum

title: डफ


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Module:User:Benwing2/category tree/poscatboiler/data/lang-specific/be

local labels = {} local handlers = {}

local rfind = mw.ustring.find local rmatch = mw.ustring.match local rsubn = mw.ustring.gsub

-- version of rsubn that discards all but the first return value local function rsub(term, foo, bar) local retval = rsubn(term, foo, bar) return retval end

- Verbs

labels["verbs by class"] = { description = "Belarusian verbs categorized by class.", parents = , }

labels["verbs by class and accent pattern"] = { description = "Belarusian verbs categorized by class and accent pattern.", parents = , }

table.insert(handlers, function(data)	local cls, variant, pattern = rmatch(data.label, "^class ([0-9]*)(°?)([abc]?) verbs")	if cls then		if pattern == "" then			return {				description = "Belarusian class " .. cls .. " verbs.",				breadcrumb = cls,				parents = ,			}		else			return {				description = "Belarusian class " .. cls .. " verbs of " ..					"accent pattern " .. pattern .. ( variant == "" and "" or " and variant " .. variant) .. ". " .. ( pattern == "a" and "With this pattern, all forms are stem-stressed." or pattern == "b" and "With this pattern, all forms are ending-stressed." or "With this pattern, the first singular present indicative and all forms " .. "outside of the present indicative are ending-stressed, while the remaining " .. "forms of the present indicative are stem-stressed.").. ( variant == "" and "" or cls == "3" and variant == "°" and " The variant code indicates that the -н of the stem " .. "is missing in most non-present-tense forms." or					cls == "6" and variant == "°" and " The variant code indicates that the present tense is not " .. "iotated. (In most verbs of this class, " ..					"the present tense is iotated, e.g. піса́ць with present tense " ..					"пішу́, пі́шеш, пі́ше, etc.)" ),				breadcrumb = cls .. variant .. pattern,				parents = {					{name = "class " .. cls .. " verbs", sort = pattern},					{name = "verbs by class and accent pattern", sort = cls .. pattern},				},			}		end	end end)

- Adjectives

labels["adjectives by stem type and stress"] = { description = "Belarusian adjectives categorized by stem type and stress. " .. "Unlike for nouns, adjectives are consistently either stem-stressed or ending-stressed.", parents = , }

local adj_stem_expl = { ["soft"] = "a soft consonant", ["hard"] = "a hard consonant other than a velar", ["velar-stem"] = "a velar consonant", ["possessive"] = "-ов, -ев, -ын or -ін", }

local adj_decl_endings = { ["hard stem-stressed"] = {"-ы", "-ая", "-ае", "-ыя"}, ["hard ending-stressed"] = {"-ы́", "-а́я", "-о́е", "-ы́я"}, ["velar-stem stem-stressed"] = {"-і", "-ая", "-ае", "-ія"}, ["velar-stem ending-stressed"] = {"-і́", "-а́я", "-о́е", "-і́я"}, ["soft"] = {"-і", "-яя", "-яе", "-ія"}, -- FIXME, not sure the rest are correct ["possessive"] = {"-", "-а", "-а", "-і"}, ["surname"] = {"-", "-а", "(nil)", "-і"}, }

table.insert(handlers, function(data)	local breadcrumb, stem, stress = rmatch(data.label, "^(([^ ]*) ([^ *]*)-stressed) adjectives")	if not breadcrumb then		breadcrumb, stem = rmatch(data.label, "^(([^ ]*)) adjectives")		stress = ""	end	if breadcrumb and adj_stem_expl[stem] and adj_decl_endings[breadcrumb] then		local m, f, n, p = unpack(adj_decl_endings[breadcrumb])		local stresstext = stress == "stem" and			"The adjectives in this category have stress on the stem." or			stress == "ending" and			"The adjectives in this category have stress on the endings." or			"All adjectives of this type have stress on the stem."		local endingtext = "ending in the nominative in masculine singular " .. m ..			", feminine singular " .. f .. ", neuter singular " .. p .. " and plural " ..			p .. "."		local stemtext = " The stem ends in " .. adj_stem_expl[stem] .. "."		return {			description = "Belarusian " .. stem .. " adjectives, " .. endingtext .. stemtext .. " " .. stresstext, breadcrumb = breadcrumb, parents = {"adjectives by stem type and stress"}, }	end end)

- Nouns/Pronouns/Numerals

for _, pos in ipairs({"nouns", "pronouns", "numerals"}) do	local sgpos = pos:gsub("s$", "") labels[pos .. " by stem type and gender"] = { description = "Belarusian " .. pos .. " categorized by stem type and typical gender. " .. "Note that \"typical gender\" means the gender that is typical for the " .. sgpos .. "'s ending (e.g. most " ..			pos .. " in -я with accusative in -ю are feminine, and hence all such " .. pos .. " are considered " ..			"to be \"typically feminine'\"; but some are in fact masculine). See Template:be-ndecl for further " .. "information on accent patterns.", parents = , }

labels[pos .. " by stem type, gender and accent pattern"] = { description = "Belarusian " .. pos .. " categorized by stem type, typical gender and accent pattern. " .. "Note that \"typical gender\" means the gender that is typical for the " .. sgpos .. "'s ending (e.g. most " ..			pos .. " in -я with accusative in -ю are feminine, and hence all such " .. pos .. " are considered " ..			"to be \"typically feminine'\"; but some are in fact masculine). See Template:be-ndecl for further " .. "information on accent patterns.", parents = , }

labels[pos .. " by vowel alternation"] = { description = "Belarusian " .. pos .. " categorized according to their (unpredictable) vowel alternation pattern (e.g. а vs. о).", parents = , }

labels[pos .. " by accent pattern"] = { description = "Belarusian " .. pos .. " categorized according to their accent pattern (see Template:be-ndecl).", parents = , }

labels[pos .. " with reducible stem"] = { description = "Belarusian " .. pos .. " with a reducible stem, where an extra vowel is inserted " .. "before the last stem consonant in the nominative singular and/or genitive plural.", parents = , }

labels[pos .. " with multiple stems"] = { description = "Belarusian " .. pos .. " with multiple stems.", parents = , }

labels[pos .. " with multiple accent patterns"] = { description = "Belarusian " .. pos .. " with multiple accent patterns. See Template:be-ndecl.", parents = , }

labels["adjectival " .. pos] = { description = "Belarusian " .. pos .. " with adjectival endings.", parents = {pos}, }

labels[pos .. " with irregular stem"] = { description = "Belarusian " .. pos .. " with an irregular stem, which occurs in all cases except the nominative singular and maybe the accusative singular.", parents = , }

labels[pos .. " with irregular plural stem"] = { description = "Belarusian " .. pos .. " with an irregular plural stem, which occurs in all cases.", parents = , } end

local noun_stem_expl = { ["hard"] = "a hard consonant", ["velar-stem"] = "a velar (-к, -г or -х)", ["soft"] = "a soft consonant", ["n-stem"] = "-м (with -ен- or -ён- in some forms)", ["t-stem"] = "-я or -а (with -т- or -ц- in most forms)", ["possessive"] = "-ов, -ав, -ев, -ёв, -ін or -ын", ["surname"] = "-ов, -ав, -ев, -ёв, -ін or -ын", }

local noun_stem_to_declension = { ["hard third-declension"] = "third", ["soft third-declension"] = "third", ["fourth-declension"] = "fourth", ["t-stem"] = "fourth", ["n-stem"] = "fourth", }

local noun_stem_gender_endings = { masculine = { ["hard"]             = {"a hard consonant", "-ы"}, ["velar-stem"]       = {"a velar", "-і"}, ["soft"]             = {"-ь", "-і"}, },   feminine = { ["hard"]             = {"-а", "-ы"}, ["velar-stem"]       = {"a velar", "-і"}, ["soft"]             = {"-я", "-і"}, ["hard third-declension"] = {"-р or a hushing consonant", "-ы"}, ["soft third-declension"] = {"-ь or -ў", "-і"}, },   neuter = { ["hard"]             = {"-а or -о", "-ы"}, ["velar-stem"]       = {"-а or -о", "-і"}, ["soft"]             = {"-е or -ё", "-і"}, ["fourth-declension"] = {"-я", "-і"}, ["t-stem"]           = {"-я or -а", "-ты"}, ["n-stem"]           = {"-я", "-ёны"}, }, }

local noun_vowel_alternation_expl = { ["а-е"] = "unstressed -а- in the lemma and stressed -э- in some remaining forms, or unstressed -я- in the lemma and stressed or unstressed -е- in some remaining forms", ["а-о"] = "unstressed -а- in the lemma and stressed -о- in some remaining forms, or unstressed -я- in the lemma and stressed -ё- in some remaining forms", ["а-во"] = "unstressed (usually word-initial) а- in the lemma and stressed во- in some remaining forms", ["во-а"] = "stressed (usually word-initial) во- in the lemma and unstressed а- in some remaining forms", ["о-ы"] = "stressed -о- in the lemma and unstressed -ы- in some remaining forms", ["ы-о"] = "unstressed -ы- in the lemma and stressed -о- in some remaining forms", }

table.insert(handlers, function(data)	local function escape_accent(accent)		return rsub(accent, "'", "'")	end

local function get_stem_gender_text(stem, genderspec, pos) local gender = genderspec gender = rsub(gender, " in %-[ао]$", "") if not noun_stem_gender_endings[gender] then return nil end local endings = noun_stem_gender_endings[gender][stem] if not endings then return nil end local sgending, plending = endings[1], endings[2] local stemtext = noun_stem_expl[stem] and " The stem ends in " .. noun_stem_expl[stem] .. "." or "" local decltext = rfind(stem, "declension") and "" or " This is traditionally considered to belong to the " .. (				noun_stem_to_declension[stem] or gender == "feminine" and "first" or "second"			) .. " declension." local genderdesc if rfind(genderspec, "in %-[ао]$") then genderdesc = rsub(genderspec, "in (%-[ао])$", pos .. "s ending in %1") else genderdesc = "usually " .. gender .. " " .. pos .. "s" end return stem .. ", " .. genderdesc .. ", normally ending in " .. sgending .. " in the nominative singular " .. " and " .. plending .. " in the nominative plural." .. stemtext .. decltext end

local stem, gender, accent, pos = rmatch(data.label, "^(.*) (.-) adjectival accent%-(.-) (.*)s$") if not stem then stem, gender, pos = rmatch(data.label, "^(.*) (.-) adjectival (.*)s$") end if stem and noun_stem_expl[stem] then local stemspec if stem == "hard" then stemspec = accent == "a" and "hard stem-stressed" or "hard ending-stressed" else stemspec = stem end local endings = adj_decl_endings[stemspec] if endings then local stemtext = " The stem ends in " .. noun_stem_expl[stem] .. "."			local accentdesc = accent == "a" and "This " .. pos .. " is stressed according to accent pattern a (stress on the stem)." or				accent == "b" and "This " .. pos .. " is stressed according to accent pattern b (stress on the ending)." or "All " .. pos .. "s of this class are stressed according to accent pattern a (stress on the stem)." local accenttext = accent and " accent-" .. accent or "" local m, f, n, pl = unpack(endings) local sg = gender == "masculine" and m or				gender == "feminine" and f or				gender == "neuter" and n or				nil return { description = "Belarusian " .. stem .. " " .. gender .. " " .. pos .. "s, with adjectival endings, ending in " .. (sg and sg .. " in the nominative singular and " or "") .. pl .. " in the nominative plural." .. stemtext .. " " .. accentdesc, breadcrumb = stem .. " " .. gender .. accenttext, parents = { {name = "adjectival " .. pos .. "s", sort = stem .. " " .. gender .. accenttext}, pos .. "s by stem type, gender and accent pattern", }			}		end end

-- First group is .* to capture e.g. "hard third-declension". local part1, stem, gender, accent, part2, pos = rmatch(data.label, "^((.*) (.-)%-form) accent%-(.-)( (.*)s)$") local ending if not stem then -- check for e.g. 'Belarusian hard masculine accent-a nouns in -а' part1, stem, gender, accent, part2, pos, ending = rmatch(data.label, "^((.-) ([a-z]+ine)) accent%-(.-)( (.*)s in %-([ао]))$") if stem then gender = gender .. " in -" .. ending end end if stem then local stem_gender_text = get_stem_gender_text(stem, gender, pos) if stem_gender_text then local accent_text = " This " .. pos .. " is stressed according to accent pattern " .. escape_accent(accent) .. " (see Template:be-ndecl)." return { description = "Belarusian " .. stem_gender_text .. accent_text, breadcrumb = "Accent-" .. escape_accent(accent), parents = { {name = part1 .. part2, sort = accent}, pos .. "s by stem type, gender and accent pattern", }			}		end end

-- First group is .* to capture e.g. "hard third-declension". local stem, gender, pos = rmatch(data.label, "^(.*) (.-)%-form (.*)s$") if not stem then -- check for e.g. 'Belarusian hard masculine nouns in -а' stem, gender, pos, ending = rmatch(data.label, "^(.-) ([a-z]+ine) (.*)s in %-([ао])$") if stem then gender = gender .. " in -" .. ending end end if stem then local stem_gender_text = get_stem_gender_text(stem, gender, pos) if stem_gender_text then return { description = "Belarusian " .. stem_gender_text, breadcrumb = ending and stem .. " " .. gender or stem .. " " .. gender .. "-form", parents = {pos .. "s by stem type and gender"}, }		end end

local pos, accent = rmatch(data.label, "^(.*)s with accent pattern (.*)$") if accent then return { description = "Belarusian " .. pos .. "s with accent pattern " .. escape_accent(accent) .. " (see Template:be-ndecl).", breadcrumb = {name = escape_accent(accent), nocap = true}, parents = , }	end

local pos, alternation = rmatch(data.label, "^(.*)s with (.*%-.*) alternation$") if alternation then return { description = "Belarusian " .. pos .. "s with vowel alternation between " .. noun_vowel_alternation_expl[alternation] .. ".",			breadcrumb = {name = alternation, nocap = true}, parents = , }	end end)

return {LABELS = labels, HANDLERS = handlers}


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Module:User:Benwing2/category tree/poscatboiler/data/lang-specific/bg

local labels = {} local handlers = {}

local rmatch = mw.ustring.match

- Verbs

labels["verbs by conjugation"] = { description = "Bulgarian verbs categorized by conjugation.", parents = , }

conj_desc = { ["1"] = "2nd singular present in -еш.", ["2"] = "2nd singular present in -иш.", ["3"] = "lemma in -ам or -ям (never with ending stress).", }

subconj_desc = { ["1.1"] = "Lemma ends in stressed -а́ (always after т, д, с or к). Exception: вля́за, сля́за, which are " .. "irregular in many ways. 1st singular aorist in unstressed -ох.", ["1.2"] = "Quite common class. Lemma ends in -а (may or may not be stressed; never follows т, д, с, з, к, " ..		"or a hushing consonant). A common subclass ends in unstressed -на. 1st singular aorist in -ах with " .. "stress matching lemma (if stress on stem, also has dialectal ending-stressed aorist in -а́х).\n" .. "* Special case: verbs in -ера́, which lose the -е- in the aorist.\n" .. "* Special case: греба́, гриза́, with stem-stressed aorists гре́бах, гри́зах.", ["1.3"] = "A small class. Lemma ends in unstressed -я; 1st singular aorist in -ах (also has " ..		"dialectal ending-stressed aorist in -а́х).", ["1.4"] = "A small class. Lemma ends in unstressed -а after a hushing consonant. 1st singular aorist " .. "in -ах and final stem consonant changes to its non-iotated equivalent (ж -> г in лъ́жа, стри́жа, стъ́ржа " ..		"and derivatives, otherwise з; ч-> к; ш -> с). Also has dialectal ending-stressed aorist in -а́х.", ["1.5"] = "A very small class. Lemma ends in consonant + stressed -ра (exception: ща). 1st singular " .. "aorist in -я́х.", ["1.6"] = "A small class. Lemma ends in -е́я, -а́я or rarely -я́я. 1st singular aorist in -ях. Also has " .. "dialectal ending-stressed aorist in -я́х.\n" .. "* Beware: зна́я is in this class, but prefixed derivatives are in class 1.7.", ["1.7"] = "A fairly large class. Lemma ends in stressed vowel + -я. 1st singular aorist ends in -х " .. "directly added onto the final vowel of the stem. (The common subclass of verbs in -е́я have aorist in " ..		"-я́х, or -а́х after a hushing consonant.)", ["2.1"] = "Extremely common class. Lemma ends in -я (or -а after a hushing consonant), may or may not have ending stress. 1st singular aorist in -их with stress matching lemma (if stress on stem, also has dialectal ending-stressed aorist in -и́х).", ["2.2"] = "Lemma ends in stressed -я́ (not after a hushing consonant), 1st singular aorist in -я́х.", ["2.3"] = "Lemma ends in stressed -а́ after a hushing consonant, 1st singular aorist in -а́х.", }

table.insert(handlers, function(data)	local conj = rmatch(data.label, "^conjugation ([1-9]) verbs$")	if conj and conj_desc[conj] then		return {			description = "Bulgarian conjugation " .. conj .. " verbs, with " .. conj_desc[conj],			breadcrumb = conj,			parents = ,		}	end	local subconj, conj, conj2 = rmatch(data.label, "^conjugation (([1-9])%.([1-9])) verbs$")	if subconj and subconj_desc[subconj] then		return {			description = "Bulgarian conjugation " .. subconj .. " verbs, with " .. conj_desc[conj] .. " " ..				subconj_desc[subconj],			breadcrumb = subconj,			parents = ,		}	end end)

return {LABELS = labels, HANDLERS = handlers}