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Talk:Kiviuq (moon)

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English pronunciation [KIV-ee-uck].

 * From my French Canadian point of view, it'd rather be KIV-ee-ook.

 * Urhixidur 18:46, 2004 Aug 13 (UTC)

Heard back from Michael Kusugak, who proposed the name. NASA had given the pronunciation as "kee-VYOOK" in a press release, with the accent messed up (which happens surprisingly often). Michael said,

"You are right about the accents. Kiviuq is pronounced Ki' vi uq (kee' vee oq, the q is gutteral, pronounced in the back of the tongue)."

I'd imagine that for many English speakers, "KIV ee oke" might be an easier pronunciation. As for the [o] for 'u', Inuit has only three vowels, long & short 'a', 'i', 'u', generally pronounced more or less as their IPA values. However, "gutteral" (uvular) consonants like 'q' and 'r' strongly affect any adjacent vowels, making i and u closer to IPA [e] and [o]. --kwami 05:55, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

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Talk:Paaliaq

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English pronunciation [PAW-lee-uck].

follow up
Heard back from Michael Kusugak, who proposed the name. NASA had given the pronunciation as "pa-lee-AK" in a press release, with the accent messed up (which happens surprisingly often). Michael said,

"You are right about the accents. Kiviuq is pronounced Ki' vi uq (kee' vee oq, the q is gutteral, pronounced in the back of the tongue). Paw' lee ahq, See' ar nahq and Ee' ye rahq."

The double 'a' indicates that the vowel is long. kwami 06:08, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Paaliaq, Inuit myth
The name Paaliaq is not the name of any mythological character in Inuit legend as far as I know. When JJ Kavelaars asked me to help him with names from Inuit legend, I suggested a few. One of those was the most famous name in Inuit legend, Kiviuq. As background information, I sent him a chapter of one of my works in progress, a book called THE CURSE OF THE SHAMAN. The chapter is entitled, THE BEGINNING OF THE KIVIUQ LEGENDS. When one of the moons of Saturn was named Paaliaq, I was very surprised and honoured because Paaliaq is my own creation. He is the shaman in THE CURSE OF THE SHAMAN which has since been published by Harper-Collins Canada.

Michael Kusugak Nunavut Canada —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kusugak (talk • contribs) 21:08, 1 February 2007 (UTC).

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Talk:Skathi (moon)

July 2004
Actually, the correct spelling has an eth (a D with a cross bar), so both Skadi and Skathi are approximations. Pronunciation [SKAH-dhee] (with [dh] representing the th of English this). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.74.199.199 (talk • contribs) 07:29, 30 July 2004 (UTC)
 * I'm not going through all this again - I contacted the organisation within the International Astronomical Union responsible for the naming of objects in our solar system and got responses from *two* of them to indicate that Skathi was the accepted and recognised name for this body. If you feel the need to do further independant research, then knock yourself out. Zaphod Beeblebrox 11:39, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * I shouldn't've used the word "correct". I meant the original orthography. "Skathi" is preferable to "Skadi" as the English transliteration, so I'm glad the IAU changed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kwamikagami (talk • contribs) 22:03, 12 August 2004 (UTC)

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Just for information: This page appears in the top 50 most visited Wikipedia articles. It's clearly not coming from people interested in the moon, most likely it's some sort of automated request from an unknown program. More information in the phabricator ticket and astronomy project page (permanent link). --mfb (talk) 06:58, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * And stopped in Oct 2022. -- Kheider (talk) 17:50, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * There's still an unnatural amount of daily views from several hundreds to thousands, but definitely much lower than before. Nrco0e (talk) 20:17, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * That could come from older top50 lists and related discussions. The article got many internal and external links you wouldn't normally have for such an unremarkable object. --mfb (talk) 08:49, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * That would make sense, but the cut-off is abrupt and to me would indicate that these views were automated. Asayihilar (talk) 05:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:TIA-568A

TIA-568A and RJ-45 inconsistency
This part of the RJ-45 article:

 * “The original concept (presumably RJ11, RJ14, RJ25 and RJ61) was that the centre two pins would be one pair, the next two out the second pair, and so on until the outer pins of an eight-pin connector would be the fourth twisted pair. Additionally, signal shielding was optimised by alternating the "live" and "earthy" pins of each pair. This standard for the eight-pin connector results in a pinout known as TIA-568A, but the outermost pair are then too far apart to meet the electrical requirements of high-speed LAN protocols. The variation known as TIA-568B overcomes this by using adjacent pairs of the outer four pins for the third and fourth pairs. The inner four pins are wired identically to TIA-568A.”

seems to suggest that the normal wiring of TIA-568A should be:

 * 1) [[Image:Pair_4_wire_1_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 4 Wire 1]] white/brown
 * 2) [[Image:Pair_3_wire_2_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 3 Wire 2]] green/white
 * 3) [[Image:Pair_2_wire_1_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 2 Wire 1]] white/orange
 * 4) [[Image:Pair_1_wire_2_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 1 Wire 2]] blue/white
 * 5) [[Image:Pair_1_wire_1_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 1 Wire 1]] white/blue
 * 6) [[Image:Pair_2_wire_2_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 2 Wire 2]] orange/white
 * 7) [[Image:Pair_3_wire_1_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 3 Wire 1]] white/green
 * 8) [[Image:Pair_4_wire_2_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 4 Wire 2]] brown/white

(with pairs 2 and 3 swapped for 10/100Base-T crossover wiring), while according to the diagram in TIA-568A article it is actually:

 * 1) [[Image:Pair_3_wire_1_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 3 Wire 1]] white/green
 * 2) [[Image:Pair_3_wire_2_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 3 Wire 2]] green/white
 * 3) [[Image:Pair_2_wire_1_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 2 Wire 1]] white/orange
 * 4) [[Image:Pair_1_wire_2_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 1 Wire 2]] blue/white
 * 5) [[Image:Pair_1_wire_1_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 1 Wire 1]] white/blue
 * 6) [[Image:Pair_2_wire_2_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 2 Wire 2]] orange/white
 * 7) [[Image:Pair_4_wire_1_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 4 Wire 1]] white/brown
 * 8) [[Image:Pair_4_wire_2_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 4 Wire 2]] brown/white

which, incidently, is exactly the same as TIA-568B crossover wiring according to the diagram in TIA-568B article (and vice versa, TIA-568A crossover is TIA-568B normal wiring).

I am going to merge TIA-568A and TIA-568B articles for they differ only with the order of wires, whatever it is, but first I want to know whether the original diagrams which I have based the tables on are correct. They (the TIA-568A ones) seem to be incorrect in the context of RJ-45 article, unless the latter itself is incorrect. In any case, they both appear to be mutually contradictory and need to be corrected.

Rafał Pocztarski 07:31, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Also, the RJ-45 article says:

 * “The variation known as TIA-568B overcomes this by using adjacent pairs of the outer four pins for the third and fourth pairs. The inner four pins are wired identically to TIA-568A.”

which is not true according to the TIA-568A diagram and table:

 * 1) [[Image:Pair_3_wire_1_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 3 Wire 1]] white/green
 * 2) [[Image:Pair_3_wire_2_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 3 Wire 2]] green/white
 * 3) [[Image:Pair_2_wire_1_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 2 Wire 1]] white/orange
 * 4) [[Image:Pair_1_wire_2_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 1 Wire 2]] blue/white
 * 5) [[Image:Pair_1_wire_1_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 1 Wire 1]] white/blue
 * 6) [[Image:Pair_2_wire_2_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 2 Wire 2]] orange/white
 * 7) [[Image:Pair_4_wire_1_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 4 Wire 1]] white/brown
 * 8) [[Image:Pair_4_wire_2_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 4 Wire 2]] brown/white

and TIA-568B diagram and table:

 * 1) [[Image:Pair_2_wire_1_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 2 Wire 1]] white/orange
 * 2) [[Image:Pair_2_wire_2_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 2 Wire 2]] orange/white
 * 3) [[Image:Pair_3_wire_1_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 3 Wire 1]] white/green
 * 4) [[Image:Pair_1_wire_2_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 1 Wire 2]] blue/white
 * 5) [[Image:Pair_1_wire_1_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 1 Wire 1]] white/blue
 * 6) [[Image:Pair_3_wire_2_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 3 Wire 2]] green/white
 * 7) [[Image:Pair_4_wire_1_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 4 Wire 1]] white/brown
 * 8) [[Image:Pair_4_wire_2_horizontal_stripe.png|37px|Pair 4 Wire 2]] brown/white

i.e. the inner four pins in TIA-568B are not wired identically to TIA-568A.

Most probably, the quoted paragraph from RJ45 is incorrect.

Rafał Pocztarski 02:54, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)

merging TIA-568A and B
I have merged these two articles, added extra material and deleted both TIA-568A and TIA-568B and installed redirects in their place. The merged article is TIA-568A/B. Let me know what you think. User:Karn 15 May 2005.

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Talk:Siarnaq

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Another Inuit name, [SYAR-nuck], perhaps better Anglicized as [see-YAR-nuck].

follow up
Heard back from Michael Kusugak, who proposed the name. NASA had given the pronunciation as "syar-NAK" in a press release, with the accent messed up (which happens surprisingly often). Michael said,

"You are right about the accents. Kiviuq is pronounced Ki' vi uq (kee' vee oq, the q is gutteral, pronounced in the back of the tongue). Paw' lee ahq, See' ar nahq and Ee' ye rahq."

Actually, the Inuit 'r' is also "gutteral" (uvular), rather like the French 'r'. kwami 06:05, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

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Note: When J.J. Kavelaars asked me to suggest names for four moons around Saturn, I consulted R.G. Williamson and Karla Jessen Williamson. Karla Jessen Williamson is of Greenlandic Inuit origin. We considered the name Sedna for one of the moons but could not reconcile the name because it does not make sense in the Inuktitut language, either in Greenlandic Inuktitut or Canadian Arctic Inuktitut. The closest we could come to was sanna (down there) or siarnaq which means grey as in grey haired dog. Considering Nuliajuk (or Sedna as she is variously called by non-Inuit) is old and grey, we decided on Siarnaq. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kusugak (talk • contribs) 18:53, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

 * As far as I know, "Sedna" comes from/"is the same as" "sanna", though I'm not sure of the exact relationship. (Dialect spelling? Older orthographic conventions?) -- pne (talk) 11:48, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Removal of broken links
When I looked up the links in the former version both were broken. However now is a bit on the short side regarding sources. Which is even worse as the article about Saturnian satellites also is not so reliable concerning the inclinations of the Unuit group. However at least Cuk and Burns 2004 (currently cite no. 10) give good estimates. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GGGBerlin (talk • contribs) 14:07, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:TIA-568B

TIA-568A and RJ-45 inconsistency
Please see Talk:TIA-568A.

Rafał Pocztarski 07:34, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Is this true? (it seems like it might be nice to note)
"The fastest way to tell whether you have a crossover cable is to compare the colors at each end. If their sequences are different, it is a crossover cable.  If they match, it is not." —Sean κ. ⇔ 00:12, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * if they match then its not a crossover cable. If they don't match then its most likely a crossover cable but could also be a cable wired for some other strange application or simply a miswired cable. Plugwash 09:15, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Enceladus

Cassini flyby of plume
The data gathered by Cassini in her final flybys in October (E21) and December 2015 (E22) are expected to yield some clues regarding the chemistry of the moon's ocean and prospects for some form of biochemistry. The data may not be published until December 2016, it seems....

 * Cassini did a final flyby of Enceladus in late October that targeted the chemistry of the plumes directly. The INMS team, which includes Glein, is searching for molecular hydrogen in that plume, which would be chemical evidence of active serpentinization. An absence of molecular hydrogen would be a sign that the serpentinization is extinct. The data analysis from this flyby may be completed in time for the American Geophysical Union's fall meeting in December. Glein added that the planned NASA mission to Europa includes advanced descendants of both the CDA and INMS instruments, meaning that in a decade or two, scientists can start to make these same measurements at Europa. This will allow us to better understand the importance of serpentinization across the Solar System.

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Talk:Telesto (moon)

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English pronunciation [te-LESS-to].

diameter
NASA contradicts itself on the diameter, giving 34x28x26 and 30x25x15 on the same page. Maybe someone who has access to more reliable data can correct? kwami 09:42, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Rotation
The article says it is synchronous. Is this known or assumed? Deuar 21:30, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Smoothness
Do we know what the reason behind the smoothness of its surface is? -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 18:16, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

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Name
Another Celtic (Gaulish) name, [TAR-vos].

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Talk:Dione (moon)

Pronunciation
Most sources -- astronomical, mythological, and dictionaries -- give the pronunciation as [dye-OH-nee], though a few, including some at JPL/NASA, have [DYE-uh-nee].

All three vowels are long (Dīōnē), so the stress should be on the o. The Greek adj. form is Dīōnaios, so in English Dionean (dye'-a-nee'-un) would be the expected form. kwami 2005 June 30 02:14 (UTC)

 * thx for the tip on Dionean, it helps a lot. So in Portuguese is Dioniana. I've notice the problem of pronunciation in English. All articles in English are full of that pronunciation. We pronunciate in the way it is written, the problem is that the name must be translated, thus is is an herculean work in these new moonlets of Saturn :\ often with the strangest names in the world. Hope you give the same greek-English tips in other articles. ;) -Pedro 00:08, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

New Photo
I uploaded a new photo from the Cassini-Huygens probe that I put in as the main first photo. It replaces the image from Voyager 1 that I moved further down the article. Just FYI in case anyone got mad I moved them around. --ScottyBoy900Q 18:01, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I swapped it for a new Cassini image. Jyril, you suggested when you fixed up the coding (sorry about that!) that maybe it should be cropped. However, it's rare to find a photo showing that a moon belongs to a particular planet, especially one as beautiful and detailed as this one, so I'd suggest keeping it as is. kwami 18:27, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

 * The image is wonderful -- no argument about that. Problem is that Dione should be more on focus, now Saturn at background slightly "steals" Dione's importance... Otherwise the image is perfect ("true" color, whispy terrain visible and so on).

 * By the way, it's somewhat funny how Dione is often imaged over Saturn, only seldom has other major moons been imaged at that position.--Jyril 19:23, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

 * What I like about it is that is shows Dione in context, rather than as an isolated body. Cropping would remove the rings, etc, and therefore much of the context.

 * BTW, someone just changed a caption, claiming that there are no km-high fractures on Dione. Take a look at this for a large crater bisected by a fracture. kwami 01:45, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

 * Remember those are oblique views and the only references I can find for non-crater cliff heights on Dione are in the 500-1000 meter range, not several km, like Ithaca Chasma. Not saying that they can't be that high, but I have seen no reference for it, and I think the text should be conservative regarding height claims.  I changed the caption text to make sure that it wasn't insinuated that the large cliff seen in the image was tectonic, when in fact it is a crater rim.  Volcanopele 21:44, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I posted the original image and caption; sorry for the mistakes, I must have misnterpreted or misremembered some information. Thanks for the correction! The Singing Badger 22:17, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I noticed that the caption for the title photo has been changed to call it a "Montage". It is not technically a montage.  It would be a montage if an image of Saturn and an image of Dione were combined to create one image showing Dione over the limb of Saturn.  Instead, this is a color composite of three images taken in the blue, green, and red filters on Cassini's Wide angle camera.  All three color filter images showed the same scene of Dione over Saturn's limb.  So, I would suggest this be changed. Volcanopele 01:47, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Diameter
is there a more accurate diameter than 1118 km for Dione? Or it is 1118,0 ? This number seems rather old. -Pedro 15:45, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Surface gravity of Dione as the most dense Saturn moon after Titan, is only 2,2 % of Earth's. It is even twice as lower than Hyperion's, which has lower density and is much smaller. I think this should be checked. -- 194.249.63.208 17:58, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

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possibly activity ?
This BBC article reports on possible cryovolcanism. EdwardLane (talk) 15:16, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

maps
updated polar maps available past 2 yrs (dec 2011) — kwami (talk) 09:51, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

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Beborn Beton

Beborn Beton is a German synthpop band founded in 1989, with their first album release in 1993. Their debut named Tybalt is a compilation of the best tracks written in the first three years of their band history and was very well received in the electronic music scene. In 1995 the follow-up album Concrete Ground was released. After a change of record label in 1996 their break-through album Nightfall was published featuring the club-filler "Im Innern Einer Frau".

The album Rückkehr zum Eisplaneten was released in 2000. It features remixes of Beborn Beton songs by artists such as Covenant, Camouflage, Neuroticfish and Daniel Myer of Haujobb, as well as remixes by Beborn Beton.

The word Beborn has no particular meaning, while Beton is the German word for concrete, which according to the band refers to the urban environment they grew up in.

Members

 * Stefan "Till" Tillmann, composing, synthesizers, drums
 * Michael B Wagner, composing, synthesizers
 * Stefan Netschio, lyrics, vocals

Discography

 * 1) Tybalt 1993                       (Label: Subtronic)
 * 2) Twisted 1993                      (Label: Subtronic)
 * 3) Concrete Ground 1994              (Label: Subtronic)
 * 4) Nightfall 1996                    (Label: Strange Ways)
 * 5) Tybalt 1997 - Re-Release          (Label: Dark Star)
 * 6) Truth 1997                        (Label: Strange Ways)
 * 7) Another World 1997                (Label: Strange Ways)
 * 8) Concrete Ground 1998 - Re-Release (Label: Strange Ways)
 * 9) Poison 1999                       (Label: Strange Ways)
 * 10) Fake 1999                         (Label: Strange Ways)
 * 11) Fake Bonus 1999                   (Label: Strange Ways)
 * 12) Rückkehr zum Eisplaneten 2000     (Label: Strange Ways)
 * 13) Tales from another world 2002     (Label: Wtii, LLC)
 * 14) A Worthy Compensation 2015        (Label: Dependent)
 * 15) She Cried EP 2016        (Label: Dependent)
 * 16) Darkness Falls Again 2023         (Label: Dependent)

Remixes for other artists done by Beborn Beton

 * 1) * Apoptygma Berzerk – Kathy’s Song
 * 2) * Infam – Limbo
 * 3) * Claire Voyant – Majesty
 * 4) * Funker Vogt – Under Deck
 * 5) * Cleen – The Voice
 * 6) * De/Vision – Your Hands on My Skin
 * 7) * Clan of Xymox – Something Wrong
 * 8) * Camouflage – I Can’t Feel You
 * 9) * In Strict Confidence – Seven Lives
 * 10) * Wolfsheim – Approaching Lightspeed
 * 11) * Virtual Server – The Earth (featuring Reagan Jones of Iris)
 * 12) * Technoir – Manifesto
 * 13) * Technoir – All in My Head
 * 14) * Purwien – Alle Fehler (featuring Joachim Witt)
 * 15) * Helalyn Flowers – DGTal Blood
 * 16) * Purwien – So kalt
 * 17) * James D. Stark – Ready
 * 18) * Lyronian – Life is a Show
 * 19) * Ad Inferna – Vertige
 * 20) * Minerve – My Universe
 * 21) * Parralox – Moonwalking
 * 22) * Zynic – Dreams in Black and White
 * 23) * The Mystic Underground – Pride Of St. Mark’s
 * 24) * Weareoff – Chymera
 * 25) * The New Division – Honest
 * 26) * Diskodiktator – Inte så svårt
 * 27) * Blitzmaschine – Uncontrollable
 * 28) * SITD – Dunkelziffer
 * 29) * Love? – I Walk Alone
 * 30) * The Gothsicles – Give Me One More Chance to Get the High Score, Then We Can Go
 * 31) * The Gothsicles – Sword Cane
 * 32) * Rroyce – Who needs?
 * 33) * Halo Effect – Alone
 * 34) * Adam is a girl – Salt
 * 35) * Zynic – Side Effects
 * 36) * Torul – Explain
 * 37) * Torul – The Sooner The Better
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System Administrator Appreciation Day

System Administrator Appreciation Day, also known as Sysadmin Day, SysAdminDay, or BOFH Day is an annual event created by system administrator Ted Kekatos. The event exists to show appreciation for the work of sysadmins and other IT workers. It is celebrated on the last Friday in July.

History
The first System Administrator Appreciation Day was celebrated on July 28, 2000. Kekatos was inspired to create the special day by a Hewlett-Packard magazine advertisement in which a system administrator is presented with flowers and fruit-baskets by grateful co-workers as thanks for installing new printers. Kekatos had just installed several of the same model printer at his workplace.

The official SysAdmin Day website includes many suggestions for the proper observation of the holiday. Most common is cake and ice cream. There are many international websites which celebrate the holiday.

Many geek and Internet culture businesses, such as O'Reilly Media, also honor the holiday with special product offerings and contests. Various filk songs have been written to commemorate the day. The songs have reached a level of popularity where they are also covered by other performers.

Attempts to have Hallmark Cards recognize the holiday as a Hallmark Holiday have yet to be realized. Many e-card websites already have special SysAdminDay cards available.

The holiday has been recognized and promoted by many IT professional organizations, the League of Professional System Administrators, SAGE/USENIX and SNIPhub.

"Sysadmin Day" around the world
Russia - Since 2006, the All-Russia System Administrator Gathering is held annually near Kaluga city. In present times thousands of people come there from more than 150 cities of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan. There is also a separate event near Kaluga called LinuxFest which is held on the last Friday in July. There is also a similar regular event in Novosibirsk on the bank of Novosibirsk Reservoir.

Ekaterinburg technicians also celebrate the last July Friday. Before 2010 there were spontaneous gatherings, and since 2010 the event received official permission from Ekaterinburg authorities to be annually held near famous Keyboard monument in the city centre with support from IT companies. There are "sysadmin competitions" between participants: they throw defunct PC mice to reach maximum distance and also throw such mice (with their "tails" cut out) within an empty distant computer case used as basket. Additionally, they powerlift a bundle of unused HDDs. In 2016 during such an event a memorial plaque was set up at the monument to honor Eugene Zorin, the Ekaterinburg FidoNet organizer and Internet pioneer who died recently.

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Talk:Helene (moon)

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The name Helene has three syllables, 122.57.249.43 (talk) 01:32, 10 August 2008 (UTC)Link title]]but the placement of the accent is disputed. JPL sites generally have [he-LEE-nee], whereas traditional mythology has [HELL-eh-nee], parallel to Helenus, for example in the Dictionary of Classical Mythology (JE Zimmerman, Harper & Row, 1964).

 * Since the penult is light in the Greek (open syllable, short vowel), traditional literary English (Latinate) stress rules would place the stress on the antepenult. --kwami 02:36, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * The Cassini-Huygens web page has [hell EEN], but they still don't have all the names of the moons spelled right! —kwami 06:46, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Hyperion (moon)

Pronunciation
English pronunciation [hy-PEER-ee-un]. Seeminly universal in astronomical sources; confirmed in Meridian/Crowell's Handbook of Classical Mythology (Tripp). *[hy-PUR-ee-un] does not seem to be a variant. kwami

It would seem from the Greek that the adjectival form would be Hyperionian (the first n is part of the root). Need to check if this is etymologically related to the musial term hyperionian. kwami 09:00, 2005 May 27 (UTC)

 * The etymologically 'correct' pronunciation would be hye'-pur-ree'-un, as the i is long, and thus takes the stress. However, since long i's are not written in Greek, only in Latin, this seems to have been missed, and hye-peer'-ee-un seems to be the universal pronunciation in English. kwami 2005 June 30 02:41 (UTC)

 * Verified further with Perseus at Tufts: the Greek is Huperîôn, gen. huperîonos, with a long iota. The forms in Latin are Hyperīon, -onis, with a derivative hyperīonius. No getting around it, the regular pronunciation in English would stress that i, for hye'-pur-ree'-un (or maybe hye'-pur-rye'-un, which to my ears sounds like "hyper ion"). Adjective hye'-pur-eye-oe'-nee-un. kwami 07:20, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

 * These comments about the "etymologically correct pronunciation" and so forth show some lack (unfortunately very common) of understanding about how Latin and Latinized Greek names are pronounced in English -- which is a very different matter from Latin or Greek. In English, the original quantities of the vowels are irrelevant for every purpose other than ascertaining the position of the stress accent in Latin -- and sometimes, as in this case, traditional pronunciations have arisen for which even the Latin forms are not a good guide.  A quite different set of rules, based on stress position and syllable type (which is too detailed to elaborate here) governs the quality of the English vowels.  To be brief, the traditional pronunciation of Hyperion has the 2nd syllable pronounced as "peer", not "per", although something like "hyper ion" might be historically warranted. In Hyperionian the 3rd syllable cannot be "rye", because it is an unstressed, non-initial vowel immediately adjacent to the primary stress.  Cf. a similar alteration in the pronunciations of "mAniac" and "manIacal". [anon]
 * For 'Hyperion', that's what we have. For the 3rd syllable of 'Hyperionian', it may usually be the case that vowels are short in such possitions, but they're long when there is no consonant between them and the following stressed vowel. The semivowel at the end of the "long" vowel fills in almost as a consonant. E.g. in uncooperative there's still a [w] sound between the two o's, as in cooperate; or in cationic, which is per the OED. kwami 12:11, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Incorrect generalization. It's true that in general, in sequences of two vowels in hiatus, the first one is "long"; but it's not true of i, which has to be either 1) initial  or 2) stressed in order to be pronounced [aɪ].  Maniacal has a "long i" because the i is stressed, but in words like "pronunciation" "enthusiastic", "histrionic", or "periodical", in which the i is unstressed pretonic, the i is not "long".  Cationic is a word of recent coinage that simply breaks the rules (in all sorts of ways, not just that one), presumably because the coiners were unfamiliar with the rules of the language (which had already ceased to be productive) and simply added up cat-, ion, and -ic.  But to go for a much closer model, I'll see your "cationic" and raise you an "Alcyonian" [ælsɪˈownɪən], which is exactly the same type of derivation as "Hyperionian". [anon]

 * I stand corrected. Ixionian, amphictyonian, sturionian do the same. Even closer are isethionic, polypiarian, and posterioric, where the i isn't bound by stressed syllables. The only cases where I find [ai] with the meter of Hyperionian are compounds like tetrathionic, or like uncooperative and cationic above, where the i is in the first syllable of its root. So the vowel is long, but takes its Latin rather than native English pronunciation.

 * How would you pronounce Hyperionian then? Would you still reduce the er? kwami 02:59, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Those, my friend, are some damn fine words. :)  May I ask how you dug them up?
 * Oh, they're just whatever came to mind.

 * Yeah, right! I did a reverse search (for *ionian etc.) with the online OED. kwami 04:03, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
 * The pronunciation should be with the same meter and vowel sounds (for the first three syllables) as "superiority", i.e. [haɪˌpɪrɪˈoʊnɪən]. The [ɪ] is the result of rhotacization of the expected vowel [i], which in turn comes from e followed by any CiV sequence (as in mediocrity, heliograph, theriomorphic).  However, there are likely some dialectal differences in English with respect to this rule, and if you happen to say [suˌpərɪˈɔnrəɾɪ] or [suˌpɛrɪˈɔnrəɾɪ] (or something different) then you'll probably pronounce "Hyperionian" in similar fashion. [anon]
 * With that stress pattern, I never would have even considered pronouncing the -ionian as "Ionian" with an [aɪ]. However, because the Greek genitive is huperîonos, with the epsilon becoming a short e in Latin, I would expect the second accent to be on the Hy-: [ˈhaɪpɪrɪˈoʊnɪən], with the stress pattern of isethionic. (When you go back two syllables from the primary stress, and the syllable is light, you go back one more for the second stress, as in isethionic, polypiarian - or so I thought.)
 * You are probably right. That rule is inactive in my dialect of English (at least in some types of derivation), so I didn't think of it; but a quick check shows stress patterns like [ˌsupɪrɪˈɔnrəɾɪ] are current in some dialects.  I don't believe it affects the pronunciation of the "e", however.
 * That I could see having a reduced "schwer", as [ˈhaɪpəraɪˈoʊnɪən], but it only sounds right with that extra [aɪ], as in polyphyletic [ˈpɒlɪfaɪˈlitɪk]. Why would we have stress on the syllable [pɪr]? Is it because this is a derived adjective and the stress of Hyperion could be expected to stay put? I must admit it sounds better that way, but still, it can take a while to get used to adjectival forms when the stress shifts, so I don't want to go on that. kwami 04:03, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
 * No, it's just a dialectal idiosyncrasy. Either [haɪˌpɪrɪˈoʊnɪən] or [ˌhaɪpɪrɪˈoʊnɪən] are acceptable, to my ear (which can barely distinguish them, anyway).

Shape
Proteus is described as "almost spherical". It isn't, unless bricks are considered spherical these days.

Hyperion's eccentricity
The eccentricity of Hyperion, stated above is only 0.0175. This is not high and is, in fact, only marginally higher than the earth's relatively low eccentricity of 0.0167. Whether the remaining conditions stated are still unique to Hyperion and sufficient to cause its chaotic rotation, I couldn't say.

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 * The eccentricity is in fact 0.123, so it is indeed relatively high.
 * Urhixidur 14:41, 2005 May 11 (UTC)

image
The main image looks like the one shown on the main Cassini page. Some of the other raw images that were returned a little later have higher resolution, like and. Just a thought. kwami 01:10, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * You're right, those are better, thanks! (Man, this moon is weird-looking...) The Singing Badger 01:21, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Your term 'sponge-like' captures it perfectly. It looks like what I'd expect a large comet nucleus to look like after large amounts had sublimated fast enough to cary any crust with them. Just bizarre. kwami 03:00, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Now, technically I would disaprove of the present image as the 'main' one because it's false-colour. But in practice, it's so gorgeous I'll let it stand. Let's look out for a true-colour one though. The Singing Badger 20:32, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Right here is an approximatly true color photo, but you'll probably have to ask him for permission before we use it. (Photos from NASA press releases are in the public domain, but modification, manipulation and other such things on that forum are that particular author's work. See this note:--Planetary 20:07, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Alright, I added a photo from a NASA relase, which is ok to use.--Planetary 21:11, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Nice. The Singing Badger 22:10, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Hi. I'm the author of the approx. true-color composite in reference 3 and was wondering if you're interested in replacing the primary false color view with my version. Note that I've tweaked it a bit from the version found on UMSF, a more accurate version can be found here . Ugo 09:14, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Hat one looks nice as well. Go ahead and replace the current one.

 * I'd say keep the current infobox image and toss out the third image, which appears to be virtually identical, except rotated, smaller, and grayscale. "True color" is only so in a human-subjective sense, and I don't see any significant added value to justify the bandwidth of the other image; just let people go to the links if they want to see what it looks like in colors visible to the average human. --Scott McNay 05:31, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

 * P.S. Yes, I guess I am being a bit of a jerk, but that's why we have talk pages, so editors can express opinions without inflicting them upon readers. :) --Scott McNay 05:33, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

zupalates
'that is, its axis of rotation zupalates so much'

Is this a real term? if so a ref to it's meaning would be useful. Google, Wikipedia and Wiktionary come up empty. --Shoka 20:42, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Orbiting the Sun
If Hyperion was orbiting the Sun, it would be a failed dwarf planet candidate, demonstarting some of the issues with having an average diameter less than 300km. But I notice (ref 5) is showing it to be 410 km x 260 x 220 (geometric mean 286km) while the article shows it to be 360 × 280 km × 225 (geometric mean 283). Does someone know which dimensions are more current? -- Kheider (talk) 19:40, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * See, which gives dimensions (328 x 260 x 214) km and average radius 133 ± 8 km. See also , which gives for average radius 135 ± 4 km. Ruslik_ Zero 17:50, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

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I've just uploaded an audio recording of the article. Please let me know if I've mispronounced anything. :-) --Mangst (talk) 23:43, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Shape
"Hyperion is one of the largest highly irregular (non-spherical) bodies in the solar system (second to Proteus)." This doesn't sound right. Haumea is non-spherical, but much larger. Should probably say moons instead of bodies, but I don't know if that's true either. melikamp (talk) 00:10, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

 * Haumea is regular, it just bulges a lot. Would you call Vega an irregular star as well? 80.101.212.102 (talk) 15:16, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

proto-Hyperion
Good afternoon. I was looking at the Hyperion article and noticed it was out of date. There already is a reference that Hyperion was most likely a fragment of a larger body, and I wanted to add to that. Judging from the size of Hyperion, it is most likely a crustal fragment of the original moon which was probably the size of Dione or Rhea. The spongy terrain is the underside of Hyperion's crust. It is caused by the sudden decompression of the moon's core due to the impact event which destroyed the original Hyperion. The impactor was most likely a Phoebe-type centaur. Although Phoebe is smaller than Hyperion, it has almost twice its mass, and is believed be composed of almost 50% rock. An object the size of Phoebe,traveling at supersonic speed, could easily destroy a moon the size of Dione or Rhea. In November of 2010 the Cassini orbiter imaged the opposite side of Hyperion from a distance of 73000 km. This area contains many craters that are similar to those found on the other icy moons of Saturn. This terrain is not only most likely all that is left of the original surface of Hyperion, but may also contain the antipole of the impact event. The debris from Hyperion's destruction can easily explain the "equatorial ridge" found on Iapetus, and may also explain how Titan's surface and atmosphere came into existence. The latter can be explained by the combination of Hyperion's debris with the debris of the impactor, which if it was similar to Phoebe, would have had a large percentage of CO2 and other materials. All this would put Hyperion's orginal semi-major axis at 2 milliom km, with Iapetus orginally at 3 million km. The loss of Hyperion's mass would draw the fragment nearer to Titan, and cause Iapetus' orbit to change to its present dimensions. This is how NASA and the IAU are going to describe the creation of Hyperion eventually. They don't know it yet, but they are. Any feedback is welcome, thank you. And please, if they have not said it yet, someone give me credit when they do! Triton66 (talk) 20:02, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

 * Do you have any references for your statement, "Hyperion is most likely a fragment of a much larger, Dione-sized moon that once orbited between Titan and Iapetus early in the Saturn-Titan system formation"? You need to be careful when ruling out an oblique impact event on your proto-Hyperion. Claiming that proto-Hyperion may have been 1000km in diameter would be much more appropriate. Your statement would need a reliable reference that says proto-Hyperion was most likely Dione-sized (1100km). -- Kheider (talk) 20:49, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

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the cart and the horse

 * Scientists attribute Hyperion's unusual, sponge-like appearance to the fact that it has an unusually low density for such a large object.

A layman like me, on the other hand, might foolishly think the unusually low density is a result of the porosity. —Tamfang (talk) 03:42, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Uniqueness of Tumbling
New Horizons data did not support the proposal that Styx and Nyx are tumbling. 98.10.43.6 (talk) 23:45, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

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Made a little change to the article, including some information already sourced in the Matrix Online article (Paradise and Nightmare versions of the Matrix etc). Also noticed that the article argues its own point about the Oracle's foresight a bit too much, so made a few small changes to give balance (I hope) there. Oposie (talk) 20:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

My personal problem with this article and the article on the Architect is that it seems not only speculative but the speculation is not rationally satisfying.74.101.177.155 (talk) 01:19, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

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A Norse name, with an umlaut over the a, Mundilfari would be Anglicized as something like [MUN-dull-FAIR-ee]. The Norse u is pronounced like English foot, not like moon.

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Lockheed Martin FB-22

The Lockheed Martin/Boeing FB-22 was a proposed stealth bomber aircraft marketed to the United States Air Force. Its design was derived from the F-22 Raptor. Lockheed Martin proposed its unsolicited design as a "regional bomber" to complement the aging U.S. strategic bomber fleet. Lockheed Martin appeared to suspend work on the concept following the 2006 Quadrennial Defense Review, which called for a new and much larger strategic Next-Generation Bomber by 2018.

Design and development
In 2001, Lockheed Martin began studies on the feasibility of the FB-22 as the company sought to leverage the design and capabilities of the F-22 Raptor. Experience gleaned from Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan demonstrated the value of a bomber that could remain in theatre in the absence of surface-to-air missiles. The F-22, while designed as an air superiority fighter, embodied some degree of air-to-ground attack ability.

One primary objective of the internal studies was to exploit the F-22's air-to-ground capability while keeping costs to a minimum. To this end, the company devised several concepts that saw significant structural redesigns with respect to the fuselage and wings, while retaining much of the F-22's avionics. With an early design, Lockheed Martin lengthened and widened the fuselage to increase the internal weapons load; it was later found that doing so would have incurred a cost penalty of 25–30% in weight, materials and development. Instead, the company left the fuselage intact as it enlarged the wing to a more delta shape. The wing, which was around three times that of the F-22, enabled the storage of a much larger amount of weapons and fuel. Various figures give the payload of the FB-22 to be 30 to 35 Small Diameter Bombs; this is compared to the F-22's payload of eight of such 250 lb weapons. Unlike the F-22, the FB-22 was designed to be able to carry bombs up to 5,000 lb in size. With stealth, the aircraft's maximum combat load was to have been 15,000 lb; without stealth, 30,000 lb.

Range was almost tripled from 600 mi to more than 1600 mi, which could have been extended by external fuel tanks. This placed the aircraft in the category of a regional bomber, comparable to that of the F-111, as it was intended to replace the F-15E Strike Eagle and take over some of the missions of the B-1 and B-2. According to Air Force Magazine, the combination of range and payload of the FB-22 would have given the concept a comparable effectiveness to that of the B-2 armed with 2,000 lb bombs. The design could also have been adapted to use a more powerful engine, such as the F-35 Lightning II's Pratt & Whitney F135, or the General Electric/Rolls-Royce F136. While an early FB-22 concept featured no tailplanes, the design incorporated twin tailplanes and likely would have fixed engine nozzles as opposed to the thrust vectoring nozzles on the F-22. The FB-22 was to have a maximum speed of Mach 1.92. Because the aircraft was to emphasize air-to-ground capability while maintaining stealth characteristics, the FB-22 would have lacked dogfighting capability.

One aspect that arose during the early stages of the design process was the consideration that Boeing would be responsible for the final assembly of the aircraft. At the time, Lockheed Martin was making the mid-fuselage at its plant in Fort Worth, Texas, while assembling the F-22 in Marietta, Georgia. However, since Boeing was responsible for the manufacturing of parts of the fuselage and more crucially, the wings—as well as integrating the avionics—it was considered prudent to give final assembly to Boeing.

Other than the wings, the aircraft would have retained much of the design of the F-22. This included 80% of the avionics, software, and flight controls. This commonality would have also significantly reduced the costs of software integration.

In February 2003, during a session with the House Committee on Armed Services, Air Force Secretary James Roche said that he envisioned a force of 150 FB-22s would equip the service. In 2004, Lockheed Martin officially presented the FB-22 to the Air Force to meet its requirement for a potential strategic bomber as an interim solution to become operational by 2018. Because of the work already done on the F-22, the cost of developing the FB-22 was estimated to be as low as 25% of developing a new bomber, with development expected to be US$5–7 billion (2002 dollars), including the airframe cost of US$1 billion (2003 dollars). It was later revealed that six different versions of the bomber were submitted, as targets, payload and range had yet to be defined. In addition, as a stealth bomber, the FB-22 was designed to carry weapons externally while maintaining stealth with the assistance of detachable and faceted pods dubbed "wing weapons bay"; previously, an aircraft could only remain stealthy if it carried its weapons internally. However, the FB-22 in its planned form appears to have been canceled in the wake of the 2006 Quadrennial Defense Review and subsequent developments as the Department of Defense favored a strategic bomber with much greater range.

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Social Liberal Party

Social Liberal Party and similar titles may refer to:

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Juniors & State Cup
I've added some sections to cover the NYC and State Cup teams as I think this kind of thing belongs in this page. I realise the page may be getting a bit long so maybe the history section can be its own page some time soon. Thoughts everyone? Also I've plonked the new bits afer history but happy to discuss where they should be assuming everyone is happy to keep them. Tigerman2005 (talk) 09:36, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Coaches
Adding a coaches section, as with all other NRL clubs --Cyclone James 08:00, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Edits?
Who took it upon themselves to remove large sections of this article without discussion? It is rude and not appreciated. The material needed to be developed but a paragraph on previous seasons (given there are only 7 at this stage) is not overblown. The point is though, you should discuss your deletion fetish (and its deleting not editing really) before you do so on these lines. Your view may turn out to have support but what you did was wrong IMHO. I am reinstating deleted portions. Please leave them until there is discussion - Tigerman2005 (23/2/7)

Also do not change the player list unless you know what you are talking about. There is a reason I deleted Scott Prince and replaced him with John Morris. Scott Prince plays with the Titans now. Leave it alone unles you are adding detail or correcting an error.

2006
Since its now 07 and the 06 season was pretty dismal anyway I think it could be reduced in size aomewhat, the individual game headers are a bit much. Thoughts? - Tigerman2005 (May 8)
 * Agreed. Some clubs have articles that detail previous seasons, so you might wanna just move the information there so none is lost.--Jeff79 19:45, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Done. 2006 now has its own article. I will edit down the 2006 part on the main page since nobody seems to object! Tigerman2005 13:47, 21 May 2007 (UTC)Tigerman2005 (21/5/7)

Pounds and pence
I'd like to amend the weight section in the current player list to show kgs followed by stone/pounds rather than the way it is listed now, if no-one minds. I've never seen pounds abbreviated to 'p' before and most readers would relate more to st/lbs that just pounds, wouldn't they? Unless they are from the U.S. Florrie 05:59, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I was about to start editing the weight details for the current players but why do we need the weights, height, nicknames etc on the Club page at all? This is all information that can be covered on the individual player page in the player info box, if not in the text. A simple table with player name, country of origin and position would be much cleaner. The pages for Brisbane Broncos (good article), Sydney Roosters (featured article) and Rabbitohs (A-class article) use this format as do others. Florrie 14:30, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * See the sandbox for proposed table with corrected links.Florrie 15:18, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Replaced old list with rugby league squad template as no objections raised. Old list saved to sandbox for reference/cross-matching info on player pages. Florrie 14:48, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Looks good although (and this is not your fault) its so hard to tell the difference between the Aus and NZ flags! I haven't had a chance to look at the page for weeks so its good to see someone else take an interest. I think next project would be a box with every season like say the Canberra page. Just simple stuff like W/L Pts, position etc. Tigerman2005 2 July 2007
 * Yes, that'd be good. I've half got one done on the Tim Sheens entry (as in, half the info is already there, not that the Sheens table is half done!) Wouldn't take me long to do one up for the Tigers with the additional information. I'll have a look at it in the next day or two. Florrie 13:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

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"Wests Tigers are the only team that has never lost a finals match."
I beg to differ, the Crushers, Rams, Mariners, Reds, NEagles, 'Dales and poor old Cumberland haven't either :P —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.213.117 (talk) 11:53, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Page revision
Not saying anything is wrong with it but is anyone interested in discussing some of the sections to see if any revision/editing needs to be done? I'd love to get this thing up to a really high standard. Tigerman2005 (talk) 13:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

 * SpecialWindler just did a heap of work on the history in the last few weeks and made the uniform graphics for the page. I want to expand the Stadium and uniforms section and I think I'd like to see the player records/teams of the century etc on a separate page. I also have articles for Craig Field and Norm Robinson on my to-do list. What do you propose? • Florrie • leave a note • 10:13, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

 * I think the page is looking a lot better these says. I agree with your suggestions about team of the century and player records. I would change 'context' to background and possibly reword parts of it - mention Wests move from Lidcombe to Campbelltown and how they were kicked out of the NSWRL. Also as I suggested the map is wrong. 1908 Wests were closer to the city. I was a Balmain Football club member and I don't even remember merger with Gold Coast being seriously considered. Parramatta yes. Maybe the final paragraph should be moved into an "early years" chapter. It just seems to me the playing section should be separate from the off field stuff. Tigerman2005 (talk) 07:27, 31 May 2008 (UTC) 31 May 2008

SCG home ground
don't think so? they hardly play any games, it is only used for special one off NRL games. Michellecrisp (talk) 11:14, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

They were suppose to play twice this year (St George and Souths) but the Dragons game had to be moved to the SFS. Anyway point is the decision to play there was made by WT management (not the NRL), they are designated WT home games so it counts as a home ground. Tigerman2005 (talk) 01:15, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

 * far from it. home grounds implies that they also train there. some NRL "home" games are moved occassionally to Central Coast Stadium, that does not make it a home ground. There is no reference to west tigers on the SCG official website. Only the Sydney Swans and NSW cricket side are official home sides. I'm removing it from this article. Michellecrisp (talk) 04:59, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

 * Implies? On your reasoning ANZ should also be removed! Wests Tigers train at Concord Oval and only on special occasions at Leichhardt and Campbelltown. I agree with the removal of the SCG as a 'home ground' but not your logic. • Florrie • leave a note • 06:07, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

 * not necessarily train there, but most clubs do train at one of their "home grounds" ok sometimes on special occasions. The easiest test is to see if it's listed on the club's official website, or the ground's official website. SCG fails on 2 counts for Wests Tigers. Michellecrisp (talk) 13:11, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

 * No you're creating your own conditions for a home ground. SCG may no longer be listed on their website because the team has no more games there - that doesn't mean it was in the past. Your other argument is severly flawed. Souths train at Mascot so do they have no home ground? As Florrie points out the club hardly ever train anywhere apart from Concord. For all we know the WT might have trained at the SCG before the Souths game. If its not a home ground, how do you regard the SCG? It's in the same boat at ANZ Stadium, it's listed as a home game and the club decided to play it there. It really depands what you consider a "home ground". I'm not right, you're not right - it is a matter of opinion. Can you have a home game not on a home ground? My other gripe is your rapid and unilateral decision to remove it. That's not really the way to do things - Wikipedia is not your exclusive domain. It is far better to do things by consensus. I don't care enough about this issue to do a revert but you should realise people like Florrie put a lot of effort into this page and you should let a debate run its course before making changes. Its really not THAT important that you needed to rush into it. Tigerman2005 (talk) 13:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Florrie, being a training ground is not the qualification for home ground status, but you need to understand that SCG is definitely not a home ground for Wests Tigers, saying otherwise is original research. ANZ stadium is a designated home ground for several teams, check its website http://www.anzstadium.com.au/AboutUs.aspx .The SCG website lists Sydney Swans and NSW Cricket side as home teams. SCG is not the same boat as ANZ stadium, the official websites clearly demonstrate this. No argument here, this is not opinion. Michellecrisp (talk) 03:16, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

 * You clearly have no idea what original research is. Fact is, there is no agreed determination of what a home ground is. It is easy to demonstrate through evidence that the Wests Tigers used the SCG for a home game this season. On that basis alone it is by definition a home ground, a ground which hosted a home game. It was not dictated by the NRL because of the centenary year, it was the club's choice. It is not the grounds who decide, it is the club itself. Anyway you miss the point, its your attitude that is the bigger problem rather than the homeground issue. Tigerman2005 (talk) 13:58, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Please resist comments on editors and comment on topic, see WP:NPA. Original research is inventing a definition that a home ground " a ground which hosted a home game". Central Coast Stadium, Westpac Stadium and North Sydney Oval have been used as grounds for NRL games, these are not home grounds either. You are making up a definition that suits WP:FANCRUFT. there is nowhere on the official SCG website which says it's an official home ground for the Tigers. Michellecrisp (talk) 00:50, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

To me Wests have two home grounds and they play games at ANZ stadium in the same way that alot of clubs do. I am happy to have ANZ on there as there appears to be a consistent link with Wests playing there every year, the same cannot be said of the SCG. Londo 06  09:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * very simple. If they choose to play their designated home games there, than it is one of their home grounds. Back in the days before the SFS, all the best football was played at the SCG and both clubs have cultural connections to the ground due to the fact that Balmain won 11 grand finals there and wests won 4 grand finals there, plus the countless matches of the week that both were involved in there. They are hardly trying to capture new fans there, unlike the central coast et alia games, so it is one of their home grounds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.172.251.46 (talk) 14:31, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Layout of current squad
Why are there now nationalities for the current squad? I'm not sure why these would be necessary. I would think the matter would be better addressed on the individuals pages. There are no citations & some of the listed nationalities appear to be wrong. Wouldn't Skandalis & Galloway be considered Australian?

I'd favour reverting to the previous layout for the current squad, but being somewhat of a newbie I thought it best to raise the matter here. Doctorhawkes (talk) 02:53, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

 * I'd support getting rid of the flags. Just so you know at MOS:FLAGS they state that we should use sporting nationality, which in this case would be whatever national team they qualify for/have played for. Seeing as both have played city/country I'd say they are Australian, although there would also be an argument for Greece for Skandalis. Mattlore (talk) 05:01, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

 * I've reverted to the no-flag version of the team list. If anyone is keen to find out more about a footballer, they can visit the player's article where things such as nationality or playing nationality can be properly sourced.  florrie  15:33, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

 * I think it is better to have the flags. It makes it a lot quicker and easier to check the nationality of each player in the team. Anyway, it is not like information is being deleted, there is just more information being added on. Every other NRL team's Wikipedia page uses this format except for Penrith Panthers. The nationalities are actually correct, based on their representative teams and place of birth. Also, when you have it displayed this way the left side of the squad displays the first choice starting 13. Another thing is that in the old version Daine Laurie and David Gower are not included despite the fact that they are members of the current team and have both played for Wests Tigers in 2009. Could you please leave the flags, they are very helpful to me and others.
 * 60.241.41.15 (talk) 12:47, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

 * The nationalities are actually correct - unfortunately this is not always the case - the flags are the subject of a lot of vandalism and are not necessary to the makeup of the team. If you want to find out the nationality or representative availability of a player, you can find that info on their article.
 * the first choice starting 13 - this varies throughout the season so it may only be correct for the first few weeks of a season. Listing the players alphabetically makes the list easier to manage/add to, particularly when players are moved around positionally - as happens a lot with the Tigers.
 * The squad template is being discussed at Wikiproject Rugby League.  florrie  05:18, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

 * As for squad members, I have updated the list to reflect the source. This will no doubt be added to over the next few months.  florrie  05:41, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Now why did you undo that? All material has to be verifiable. If the source we are using gives a squad list, then that is what should be shown here. Apparently the squad page has been updated to remove players who have not been contracted for 2010. If they are returned to the Tigers squad page, they can be returned to the article. Otherwise it's original research.  florrie  11:55, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I've added the trial template to both the main article and 2009 Wests Tigers season. I've also changed the source although I need to find another source that tells me Lazarus and Dunley were selected in the original 25. I know they were there at the beginning of 2009, but as the WT squad page has been updated in preparation for 2010, the ref is no longer reliable. Later on (when it's less likely to be deleted) we can do up the 2010 template for the 2010 page and this main article.  florrie  01:08, 12 October 2009 (UTC) PS, there is still discussion on the template at the project.

Records and stats
We have a page for club records - List of Wests Tigers records - and I would like to suggest that we move the player records section of tables from the main article here to the records page, with a link. If you have a look at the Sydney Roosters article, which has featured article status, there is a text section for records with a link to their List of Sydney Roosters records article. It is certainly more readable and would de-clutter our main article. The other thing we need for records and stats is references! Any thoughts?  florrie  01:32, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Makes sense to me. The best reference for records is the annual year book that Middleton does. Haven't come across anything online that is updated on a regular basis. Doctorhawkes (talk) 11:32, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Players of Note
What is the criteria to be considered a player "of note"? I'm surprised Cayless would be listed before he has played a game. Doctorhawkes (talk) 02:18, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I've been wondering, too, since the addition of Cayless. It appears to be very subjective. To be honest, I don't know why there are current players on the list at all and I'm not sure what some of the other players have done to gain notability. If we went on Wikipedia's idea of "notability" every former player would be there. I'm more inclined to delete the section and leave the combined Team of Legends, which is verifiable and the representative players, also verifiable.  florrie  02:34, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Current Squad
The dialog box that has the current squad details in it appears to be uneditable. The squad has been finalised and isn't accurate in this wiki entry. You can find the current 34 man NRL squad at http://www.weststigers.com.au/default.aspx?s=profile-player. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.123.145 (talk) 06:33, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

The game of rugby league began - ?
"The game of rugby league began in 1908 as the New South Wales Rugby League premiership (NSWRL) which had nine teams from the Sydney, Australia area." Eh? It began in England in 1895. 1908 was when it reached Australia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.89.166 (talk) 11:47, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:I packed my bag

Imagine the following hypothetical dialog:

HUMAN: Do you know how to play the game "I packed my bag?" PROGRAM: I am famiiliar with all kinds of knapsack problems. HUMAN: I mean the car game. Do you know the one? PROGRAM: Yes, I know that one. I leared it as a child. I packed my bag and put in 40 digits of pi. HUMAN: I packed my bag and put 3.14151926535897932384626433832795028841971, along with a zero knowledge proof that OJ was innocent. PROGRAM: I dont believe that such a proof exists.

Now suppose that the dialog extends for quite some time, until the HUMAN fails to keep up. Is the PROGRAM really a program, which has passed the Turing test, or is this script made up? Of course, this script is just a made up example of a possible dialog between an examiner and some future hypothetical simulation of conversation. However, a major failing of Eliza type programs is a lack of real world knowledge. One thing that might change that is the existence of a project like the Wiki, which could in principle be used as a database for some type of Artificial Intelligence applications.

That works in principle for so called declarative knowledge, however reasoning and thinking presumably involve procedural paradigms. There is something very strange therefore about "I packed my bag" and where it belongs, because this should be a very simple game to implement, in that it simply involves alternatetly adding elements to a list.

Someone should therefore write an "I Packed My Bag" game that uses the Wiki as a database for things that the computer-player might decide to put in the bag. Then when a player asks a certain bot about the game, then the human player would be in for quite a surprise! That is because the player would quickly find that the computer player has a great deal of knowledge about a wide variety of subjects. It is espescially desirable if such a program 1) uses the Wiki SQL data files as a knowledge source, 2) the program is capable of making commentary about the items in the list. It is even more desirable if the application is distributed as a part of an open source collabaration project of AI applications.

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Talk:Janus (moon)

Untitled
English pronunciation pretty universally [JAY-nus], not [JAN-us].

According to the OED, the adjectival form in Janian. kwami 08:20, 2005 May 27 (UTC)

diameter
The NASA moons profiles page gives the middle diameter as both 190 and 192 km. Can someone who has access to reliable data verify? kwami 09:53, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

New image
See: -- TheFE ARgod  (Ч) 15:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I use that image as wallpaper on my computer. I think if you cropped the image tighter it would be a big improvement over the old Voyager 2 image. You can see my version of the image (uncropped) at http://home.comcast.net/~kpheider/Janus_IR1GUV3.jpg Kheider 16:44, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks great to me, especially the colour version over at Kheider's page. We should stick that cropped version in the infobox, and push the old Voyager image further down into the text. Deuar 16:14, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't really care for the new image (put in on 17:12, 14 May 2008). I think the previous picture has better resolution, perspective, and much better color. -- Kheider (talk) 17:21, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

March 1, 1980
While I have not found definitive evidence that Voyager 1 "confirmed" Janus as being a moon on March 1, 1980, I have found what I consider overwhelming evidence to prove the Voyager 1 was nowhere near Janus on that date.

Voyager 1 image of Janus

The above image was taken on November 12, 1980 at a distance of just over 600,000 km. I have found several pictures of Janus all taken on or about that date. If Voyager 1 was traveling at 3.6 au per year (just shy of a million miles a day), on March 1st, Voyager 1 would have been some 225,000,000 miles away from Janus (give or take). That's more than 6 times the distance from Earth to Mars at it's closest approach. How could Voyager 1 have accomplished such a feat? Kentholke (talk) 00:43, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Spoken Wikipedia recording
I've just uploaded an audio recording of the article. Please let me know if I've mispronounced anything. :-) --Mangst (talk) 01:31, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

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Pronunciation
Norse pronunciation ['y.mir]. Guides give ['i.mir] (ee'-meer) as a variant, as English does not have [y]. However, English phonotactics do not allow the second syllable to have a long vowel, so this is still not fully assimilated into English. A fully assimilated pronunciation would be ee'-mur, homophonous with "emir" for those of us who stress that word on the first syllable. --kwami 06:06, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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I am a Chinese, and an environmentalist. I received my advanced education of the chemical engineering in USA and the environmental science in Japan (by English). However, I am interested in painting and dancing particularly. But I awared that I am lack of the talent to be a professional painter or dancer so that I am only a philo-fineartist or a philo-dancer. I have wide interests and enjoy reading lots of articles in wikipedia. I have learned French on my own. I have been reading French articles and browsing Pal du Louvre but the difficulty of liaison causes me not easily to understand the spoken French. --Fanghong 08:06, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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Night and Day (Joe Jackson album)

Night and Day is the fifth studio album by English musician Joe Jackson, released on 25 June 1982 by A&M Records. It reached the top five in both the United Kingdom and United States, Jackson's only studio album to do so in either country. The album has been certified gold in the UK and US, and achieved platinum status in Canada. It has sold over one million copies.

The album pays tribute to the wit and style of Cole Porter (and indirectly to New York City). The track "Real Men" pointed obliquely to the city's early-1980s gay culture.

"Steppin' Out" earned Grammy Award nominations for Record of the Year and Best Pop Vocal Performance, Male. It reached number 6 on both the UK and the US charts. "Breaking Us in Two" reached number 18 in the US and number 59 in the UK.

Jackson released a sequel to the album entitled Night and Day II in October 2000.

Reissues
In 1997, A&M released a digitally remastered CD manufactured in Europe. Not only were the tracks remastered, but "Another World" has an extra two bars in the intro. The crossfades for the songs were also re-created.

In 2003, A&M released a deluxe version of the album with a bonus disc consisting of live tracks, demos, and songs Jackson recorded for the 1984 film Mike's Murder.

2003 deluxe edition
In 2003, A&M released a remastered deluxe edition of Night and Day. All tracks were 96K/24-bit remastered from the original analog master tapes. This edition includes six demos, five tracks from Jackson's soundtrack to the film Mike's Murder and five tracks from the 1988 double live album Live 1980/86.

Personnel
Credits adapted from the liner notes of Night and Day.

Musicians

 * Joe Jackson – arrangements, orchestration, lead vocals, acoustic piano, Fender Rhodes and Yamaha electric pianos, Hammond organ, GEM organ, Prophet-5, Minimoog, alto saxophone, vibraphone
 * Ed Roynesdal – synthesizer programming, violin (8, 9)
 * Jack Waldman – synthesizer programming
 * Graham Maby – bass, percussion, vocals
 * Larry Tolfree – drums, timbales, percussion
 * Sue Hadjopoulos – congas, bongos, timbales, orchestral bells, xylophone, miscellaneous percussion, flute, vocals
 * Ricardo Torres – bongos (4, 7), cowbell (4, 7), claves (4, 7)
 * Grace Millan – backing vocals
 * Al Weisman – backing vocals

Technical

 * Joe Jackson – production, mixing
 * David Kershenbaum – production, mixing
 * Michael Ewasko – engineering
 * Ken Tracht – engineering assistance

Artwork

 * Paula Greif – coordinator
 * Joe Jackson – art direction
 * Philip Burke – artwork
 * George Dubose – photography

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Future plc

Future plc is a British publishing company. It was started in 1985 by Chris Anderson. It is listed on the London Stock Exchange and is a constituent of the FTSE 250 Index.

Among its many titles are Country Life, Homes and Gardens, Decanter, Marie Claire, and The Week. Zillah Byng-Thorne was chief executive officer from 2014 to 2023, when she was replaced by Jon Steinberg.

1985–2012
The company was founded by Chris Anderson as Future Publishing in Somerton, Somerset, England, with the sole magazine Amstrad Action in 1985. An early innovation was the inclusion of free software on magazine covers. It acquired GP Publications so establishing Future US in 1994.

Anderson sold the company to Pearson plc for £52.7m in 1994, but bought it back in 1998, for £142 million. The company was floated on the London Stock Exchange in 1999. Anderson left the company in 2001.

In 2004 the company was accused of corruption when it published positive reviews for the video game Driver 3 in two of its owned magazines, Xbox World and PSM2.

2012–2015
Future published the official magazines for the consoles of all three major games console manufacturers (Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony); however PlayStation: The Official Magazine ceased publishing in November 2012, and Official Nintendo Magazine ceased publishing in October 2014.

The chief executive and finance director both resigned at short notice after a profit warning in October 2011. It was noted that a re-structuring would be necessary as the company moved to a digital model.

Future announced it would cut 55 jobs from its UK operation as part of a restructuring to adapt "more effectively to the company's rapid transition to a primarily digital business model." The company announced in March 2014 that it would close all of its U.S.-based print publications and shift U.S. print support functions such as consumer marketing, production and editorial leadership for Future's international print brands to the UK. Later in 2014, Future sold its sport and craft titles to Immediate Media, and its auto titles to Kelsey Media.

In April 2014 Zillah Byng-Thorne, then finance director, was appointed chief executive, replacing Mark Wood, who had been in the position since 2011.

2016–present
In 2018, Future made further major acquisitions. It bought the What Hi-Fi?, FourFourTwo, Practical Caravan and Practical Motorhome brands from Haymarket and it acquired NewBay Media, publisher of numerous broadcast, professional video, and systems integration trade titles, as well as several consumer music magazines. This acquisition returned most of the U.S. consumer music magazines to Future, with the exception of Revolver which had been sold to Project Group M LLC in 2017.

It bought the Purch Group for $132m by September 2018, and in February 2019 bought Mobile Nations including Android Central, iMore, Windows Central and Thrifter for $115 million. Future also acquired Procycling and Cyclingnews.com from Immediate Media. In July 2019 the company bought SmartBrief, a digital media publisher, for an initial sum of $45 million.

In November 2019 the company bought Barcroft Studios for £23.5 million in a combination of cash and shares. It renamed it Future Studios and announced the launch of "Future Originals", an anthology gaming series, a factual series focusing on the paranormal, and a new true crime show, in partnership with Marie Claire.

In April 2020 it acquired TI Media, with 41 brands for £140 million, and, in November 2020, it agreed a £594m takeover of GoCo plc, known for its Gocompare.com price comparison website. In August 2021, it acquired another 12 magazines for £300 million.

The company was criticised in February 2022 for the size of the remuneration package being offered to Zillah Byng-Thorne, the chief executive. It was noted that she could receive £40 million if the company performs well.

Byng-Thorne resigned with effect from 3 April 2023 and was replaced as chief executive by Jon Steinberg.

Organisation
In addition to media and magazines, the company has two other businesses:

 * Future Studios is its video division, built upon the acquisition of Barcroft Media in 2019.
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Gulmit

Gulmit (Wakhi/), also known as Gul-e-Gulmit, in upper Hunza Gilgit Baltistan, Pakistan. Gulmit is a centuries-old historic town, with mountains, peaks and glaciers. It is a tourist spot and has many historic places, hotels, and shops as well as a museum.

History
Before 1974, Hunza was a princely state, and Gulmit was the summer capital of the state. After the abolition of the state it became the tehsil's seat of government. The oldest intact house in Gulmit is more than six centuries old. Most people in Gojal Valley have Central Asian ancestry. The people speak Wakhi language and belong to the Shia Imami Ismaili sect of Islam.

There are many forts and fortresses in Gojal valley, such as Qalanderchi fort in Misghar valley and Rashit fort in Chipursan valley, but Ondra fort is the most prominent. This fort perches on Ondra hill, which overlooks Gulmit and Ghulkin villages. The fort is believed to have been built by Qutlug Baig in the 16th century. He was the first Wakhi ruler to establish rule in Gulmit, threatening the Mir of Hunza. Before him, Gulmit was under the control of Hazur Jamshid (1550-1556), the ruler of Gilgit. His sons Su Malik and Mir Malik were deputed to collect taxes from Gojal. Once, returning from a visit to collect tax from Yishkook in Chipursan valley, the two stopped in Gulmit and liked it. They decided to live in Gulmit. After the death of Hazur Jamshid, Su Malik, the elder son, rushed to Gilgit to sit on his father's throne. He became the new ruler of Gilgit (1556-1578). According to Muhammad Zia, celebrated genealogy-keeper (zon) of Gulmit, Mir Malik also eventually left for Hunza. Taking advantage of the absence of Su Malik and Mir Malik, Qutlug Baig with the help of locals captured Gulmit and the surrounding villages. Qutlug Baig belonged to the Charshambi Kator lineage of the Wakhis of Gulmit.

The territory of Qutlug Baig started from Khyber village and ended at Shishkat. To secure his territory from invaders, he built two gates, one at Khyber and the other at Shishkat. The gates were closed at night and opened during the day. In wartime, these gates remained closed, keeping enemies away from his dominion. The remains of both gates and fortification walls can still be seen at Khyber as well as in Shishkat.

To rein in the advance of enemies from north and south, Quitlug Baig built Ondra fort. To the north lay the State of Hunza, and to the South the power of Kirghiz invaders who used to attack Gulmit to control the pastures for their livestock.

The fort's ramparts ranges from 6 to 13 feet above the ground. There were many living quarters inside the fort. One can still find them at two places, on the southern side and the other on the northern side. These living quarters were separated by a central wall of the fort that runs east-west. The central rampart is higher than the southern and northern fortification walls. The northern quarters were constructed for the army of Qutlug to keep an eye on the enemy advancing from the north, while the southern quarters were built to keep check on the enemy coming from the south, particularly the army of the Mir of Hunza. The fortification walls have embrasure and merlons. Only the northern and southern fortification walls have been provided embrasure. All the ramparts of the fort are still in a good condition. However, the eastern and western fortification walls are in a crumbling condition. To secure his territory from invaders, he built two gates which were closed at night and opened during the day The Ondra fort reflects the power of the Wakhi ruler Qutlug who was never defeated by the Mirs of Hunza. He was known for his gallantry and swordsmanship in the battlefield. Mirs of Hunza were scared by the rising power of Qutlug. They never dared to cross his territory. Qutlug was poisoned to death by one of his elderly female servants. She was sent by then Mir of Hunza Mir Malik. She administered poison in the food of Qutlug and his courtesans. After the death of Qutllug, Gulmit was recaptured and Ondra fell into hands of the Mir of Hunza. Qutlug Baig was buried in Gulmit along with his courtesans. According to Afzal Khan, one of the notables of Gulmit, the grave of Qutlug was located where there is now the Government Girls High School in Gulmit. Qutllug ruled over Gulmit and its adjoining areas for twelve years. During his rule, land and life was safe and secure. He pushed the advancing Kirghiz back to their land and never let them succeed in their mission and goals. The heroic stories of Qulug still dominate the daily discourse of the Wakhi people living in Gulmit, Shimshal, Chipursan, the valleys of Gojal. Many storytellers still amuse both audience and themselves by narrating the stories of their ruler Qutlug Baig. This fort is still a destination for domestic and international tourists. From Ondra fort one has a panoramic view of Gulmit. From the south one can see Gulmit and as far as Shishkat villages and from the north one can view the Ghulkin village. From the north one can enjoy seeing Gulmit tower. Ghulkin glacier, Tupopdan and Qaroon peak. From the west, there are views of Gulmit Glacier, Gulmit Tower, Shisper Peak and Utlar Sar.

Population
The population of Gulmit, according to 2016 survey, consists of around 5000 individuals. Fifty-one percent of the population is female.

Climate
With virtually no rainfall during the year, Gulmit features a cool arid climate (Köppen BWk). The average temperature in summer is 18 to 24 °C, while the annual precipitation averages 113 mm. November is the driest month with 2 mm of rainfall, while May, the wettest month, has an average precipitation of 24 mm.

July is the warmest month of the year with an average temperature of 21.8 °C. The coldest month January has an average temperature of −5.5 °C.

Buildings
There are five Jamaat-khanas or religious community centres in Gulmit, one in every ward of the village. The old summer palace of the Mir of Hunza stands at the northern edge of Gulmit's historic polo ground. Old places of worship, now used as libraries, also adorn Gulmit valley.

New buildings constructed by the government in Gulmit include the tehsil headquarters, the federal government's boys' high school, civil hospital, Diamond Jubilee girls middle school and government girls' higher secondary school.

Al-Amyn model school, a community-based organization, has a building with a hostel facility next to the health center of Aga Khan Health Services. Ondra poygah is a staircase the community has built staircase to the top of Ondra hill. Poygah is "staircase" in Wakhi. It is composed of 1,600+ stairs and is the longest staircase in Pakistan. At the top of the hill is the historic fort Ondra Fort. The community worked on this staircase for 2-3 months, from December to February. At the top is a path to Odver then to Kumaris.

Notable people

 * Nazir Ahmad Bulbul: A poet of Wakhi language, Bulbul, was born and lives in Gulmit.

Mountains
Gulmit is surrounded by mountains on all sides. To the extreme north is Tupopodon, while on the south is Ghawush. Standing tall in the east is Mount Pulpul, and in the west is Gulmit Tower, right above the Shutubar Glacier. Gulmit Tower, a vertical monolith, is yet to be climbed.

Village organizations
There are as many as 26 organizations working in and for the village out of which the top three in the below list are registered with Government. Most of these organizations work under the umbrella of Gulmit Organization for Local Development (GOLD). Some of the larger organizations, member-wise and activities-wise are the following:

Apart from these social organizations there are other Ismaili organizations, working under the banner of the Shia Immami Ismaila Council for Gulmit. These Ismaili organizations cater services to the entire Gojal Valley but Gulmit, being the headquarters, hosts their offices.
 * Gulmit Educational and Social Welfare Society (GESW)
 * Gulmit Organization for Local Development (GOLD)
 * Gulmit Young Stars Club & Students Welfare Organization - GYSC
 * Counselling and Management Body Gulmit (CMBG)
 * Gulmit Arts Council
 * Gulmit Natural Resources Conservation Group
 * Rituals Committee
 * Bulbulik

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