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King Street (Alexandria, Virginia)

King Street is a major road in Alexandria, Virginia, United States and historic Old Town Alexandria. It extends westward from the Potomac River waterfront near the Torpedo Factory Art Center and nearby bustling tourist gift shops and restaurants, passing City Hall and the Alexandria General District Court.

History
In 1964 Richard Muzzrole begins nine years of excavations along King Street. In 1965 artifacts from King Street homes, shops, and taverns are excavated by Malcolm Watkins of the Smithsonian Institution. During the 1960s urban renewal prompted the demolition of a six block area along King Street. In 1965 Bulldozers revealed creamware, glasswork, porcelain, and pottery. Bulldozers preparing for parking garage construction revealed brick lined wells. In 1977 Pamela Cressey begins excavations at the King Street courthouse. Deep wear marks on wine bottles found within King Street privies reveal the practice of refilling bottles at taverns.

In 2007 the American Planning Association listed King Street as a "2011 Great Place in America" within the "Great Streets" category.

King Street is currently seen as an active strip of commerce and tourism that successfully accommodates both Alexandria's local residents as well as its visitors. Historically the street was used as access to the seaport and later as a main center of trade. The balance between past and present is noticeable with the vitality of the street's noteworthy character. Architectural and demolition regulations have been employed to allow for the continued visual appeal of 18th and 19th century buildings. Zoning laws, particularly those established in 2005 and 2007, are responsible for ensuring mixed use on this street. Various businesses, outdoor dining and other activities can be found all along King Street. One amenity to this street is the Market Square found at Alexandria City Hall as it is one of the oldest U.S. farmers markets and is often used to provide venue space for concerts, festivals, and community events. Other features found on King Street include Alexandria City Hall, which is in the style of the period during the Second Empire, and clock tower that was designed by Benjamin Henry Latrobe. The Torpedo Factory Art Center is another hotspot for tourism and is currently used as studio housing for artists.

205 King Street, a spite house, dates to the late 18th century or early 19th. It is the oldest of Old Town's spite houses.

Route
On reaching the Washington Metro and Amtrak stations and the George Washington National Masonic Memorial, King Street bends. Between Russell Road and Janney's Lane, green bike lanes exist. Wealthier residents fought against these. King Street passes Chinquapin Recreation Center, Alexandria City High School and several historic churches, becoming Leesburg Pike as it leaves Alexandria at Bailey's Crossroads. King Street becomes State Route 7 west of Washington Street (State Route 400). In Old Town, King Street is designated as the dividing line between north and south in the addressing system, while Duke Street (State Route 236) is designated as the dividing line in the West End area of Alexandria. King Street follows the original southwest border for the District of Columbia, becoming Leesburg Pike then Route 7 as it extends westward into Fairfax County.

Transportation
The Washington Metro has a station at King Street, just west of Old Town, on the Blue and Yellow Lines. Also, the King Street Trolley takes passengers on a ride along King Street every 15 minutes.

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List of Constitutional Heads of The State of Victoria, Australia

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Vinland, Kansas

Vinland is an unincorporated community in Douglas County, Kansas, United States. It is located south of Lawrence and north of Baldwin City.

History
The first settlement was made at Vinland in 1854. In the earliest days of the community, some called it "Coal Creek", due to deposits of the sedimentary rock in a nearby waterway. The settlement eventually earned the name "Vineland" (after the orchard of one of the first settlers, William Barnes), which later evolved into "Vinland" after a clerical error. Most of the settlers of the early community were abolitionists or Free-Staters from New England, and consequently, they opposed the extension of slavery into Kansas Territory.

In 1859, Annie Soule and Martha Cutter helped found a library (and an associated book club), in the hopes that it "would contribute to the 'moral, social, and intellectual improvement of [the settlement's] members"; specifically, they hoped "to prevent dancing from becoming the only amusement in the community." The library initially boasted a collection 10 books (which eventually grew to over 2,000), and residents of the small town were allowed to check them out if they contributed an annual fee of 50 cents. The building that currently holds the collection was constructed in 1900 when the community's book supply grew too large. Today, Coal Creek Library is considered the oldest subscription library in the state.

Vinland was not legally platted until the 1860s. A post office was opened in Vinland in 1868, and remained in operation until 1954. In 1912, the population of the settlement was 75, and it housed "a fine agricultural district ... [and] express and telegraph facilities". Today, the Vinland Grange Hall is listed on the National Register of Historic Places.

Education
The community is served by Baldwin City USD 348 public school district.

On December 13, 2010, the Board of Education voted to close Vinland Elementary in Vinland, KS and Marion Springs Elementary in Worden, KS by a 5-2 vote.

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Olelbis

Olelbis (meaning "he who is above") is the creator deity in Wintun mythology. The antagonist of Olelbis is Sedit.

Account
According to the mythology of the Wintum tribe, Olelbis desired that the members of the human race should live together as brothers and sisters; that there should be no birth and no death, that life should be agreeable and easy, and the purpose of life should be to rejoining Olelbis in heaven and live with him for all eternity. To satisfy the hunger of the human body, Olelbis created a species of nut which has no shell and falls off the tree when it is ripe (this species of nut or fruit is still a staple item of the Wintum's diet). Olelbis ordered two brothers to build a paved road from earth to heaven to facilitate the tribe's reunion with their Creator. But Sedit appeared on the scene and persuaded one of the brothers that it would be better to engage in sexual intercourse and procreate the human species. The one persuaded by Sedit argued the other into agreement, so both defected from Olelbis and joined together to destroy the road they were building to heaven. Sedit, horrified when he finds he has brought death to the human race and must die himself, tries to escape his fate. He makes himself a mechanism of boughs and leaves (a plane), by means of which he hopes to fly to heaven. But he crashes and is killed. Olelbis looks down from the heights of heaven and says, "See. The first death! From henceforth (all) men shall die."

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H. Louis Dousman

Hercules Louis Dousman II (April 3, 1848 – January 13, 1886), better known as Louis Dousman, was notable as a wealthy Midwestern socialite and art collector. He was the heir to the estate of Wisconsin millionaire Hercules Louis Dousman, who had made a career in Prairie du Chien. Dousman had a new mansion built on the site of his family's house, and then soon moved away, living for years in St. Paul, Minnesota, and St. Louis, Missouri. In both cities he moved in upper social circles.

After his mother's death in 1882, Dousman began to develop the family property to establish a stock farm and racing for Standardbred horses. He built a racetrack and started an annual race in July 1883. He returned to the city in 1885, establishing the Artesian Stock Farm, but died unexpectedly the next year before getting it well underway. His widow closed the farm and named the mansion as Villa Louis after Louis Dousman. It has been designated as a National Historic Landmark.

Early life and education
Louis Dousman was born in 1848 in Prairie du Chien, Wisconsin, the son of Hercules and Jane (Fisher) Rolette Dousman. His father had been a fur trader and developed great wealth as an investor and entrepreneur on the frontier, influential in expanding railroad construction across the state, exploiting the lumber industry, and investing in real estate. He was a millionaire before he died, when the United States held few figures of such wealth.

As a child, Louis was privately tutored; he later attended a preparatory school in Madison, Wisconsin. His higher education was cut short by the death of his father in 1868. The son returned to Prairie du Chien to take care of his father's estate and help his widowed mother Jane.

Life as heir
In 1870, at the age of 22, Dousman began using his inheritance. He demolished the brick house built by his father, where he had grown up, and replaced it with a modern mansion of the era. It was designed in the Italianate style by E. Townsend Mix. Dousman did not stay long in Prairie du Chien.

In 1872, he moved to the larger city of Saint Paul, Minnesota, leaving his mother to occupy the Prairie du Chien estate. Owing to his wealth and his father's onetime partnership with Henry Hastings Sibley, who had earlier served as Governor of Minnesota, Dousman rose quickly in St. Paul society. In 1873 he married Nina Sturgis, and the couple moved to St. Louis, Missouri. They had five children: Violet, Virginia, Nina, Louis, and Judith Dousman.

Dousman's father had also had prominent connections in St. Louis. Dousman readily entered its uppermost social circles. He began a career as an art collector, amassing a collection of nearly a hundred paintings, mostly Academic art from France. In 1879, he constructed a gallery adjoining his St. Louis home to showcase his collection and began opening the gallery to the public. His art collection was eventually published in 1881. Dousman received much attention in both St. Louis and other major cities across the nation for his collection. He served as art director for three years for the St. Louis Fair.

In the 1880s his interest began to shift. Following the death of his mother in 1882, Dousman sold most of his art collection at auction in New York City. He made plans to return to Prairie du Chien. He wanted to develop the larger part of his property into a stock farm for the breeding of Standardbred horses, specifically, a line descended from Hambletonian 10. Dousman had stables and a racetrack built in Prairie du Chien, and began hosting an annual race in July 1883. He named his estate as the Artesian Stock Farm, because of the artesian wells on the property. Dousman moved all of his family from St. Louis to Prairie du Chien in 1885.

Dousman's plans for the Artesian Stock Farm were never fully realized. On January 13, 1886, he died unexpectedly of appendicitis in Prairie du Chien. After Dousman's death, his wife Nina sold the horses and closed the stock farm. She renamed the mansion and its associated property as Villa Louis in honor of her late husband.

Today Villa Louis is preserved and operated as a museum by the Wisconsin Historical Society. It is designated as a National Historic Landmark.

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Talk:Sagitarius (band)

You spelled it 2 different ways, both possibly wrong. Sagitta means arrow, sagittarius means archer, sagittarius is the constellation. So is it the band or the author of this article or both who can't spell? your friendly nitpicker patrol

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Longbottom

Longbottom is an English surname; notable persons with the name include:

 * Arthur Longbottom (footballer) (1933–2023), English footballer
 * Arthur Longbottom (politician) (1883–1943), Labour Party politician in the United Kingdom
 * Bruce Longbottom (born 1964), Australian professional rugby league footballer
 * Charles Longbottom (1930–2013), British barrister, businessman and politician
 * George Longbottom (born 1961), Australian rugby league player
 * Julia Longbottom (born 1963), British diplomat and Ambassador of the United Kingdom to Japan
 * Kevin Longbottom (1940–1986), Aboriginal Australian professional rugby league footballer
 * Kieran Longbottom (born 1985), Australian rugby union footballer
 * Maggie Longbottom, married name Margaret Wintringham (1879–1955), British Liberal Party politician
 * Maurice Longbottom (born 1995), Australian rugby league and rugby union player
 * Maurice Longbottom (RAF officer) Spitfire photo reconnaissance pioneer
 * Peter Longbottom (1959–1998), British cyclist
 * Robert Longbottom (born 1957), New York City-based director, choreographer and director
 * Will Longbottom (born 1998), English professional footballer

Fictional characters

 * Longbottom family in J.K.Rowling's Harry Potter series
 * Alice Longbottom
 * Frank Longbottom
 * Augusta Longbottom
 * Neville Longbottom

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U.S. Route 321

U.S. Route 321 (US 321) is a spur of U.S. Route 21. It runs for 516.9 mi from Hardeeville, South Carolina to Lenoir City, Tennessee; with both serving as southern termini. It reaches its northernmost point at Elizabethton, Tennessee, just northeast of Johnson City. Because of its unusual "north–south–north" routing, U.S. Route 321 intersects both Interstate 40 and U.S. Route 70 three separate times. The highway serves different roles in each state: An alternate route to interstates in South Carolina, a major highway in North Carolina, and a scenic route in Tennessee.

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 * 169.8
 * TN
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South Carolina
US 321 provides direct access between Savannah and Columbia, serving as an alternate to Interstate 95 and Interstate 26. Starting in Hardeeville, US 321 as a mostly 2 lane highway goes through sparsely populated areas and small towns including Estill, Fairfax, and Denmark, heading in a rather straight and northward direction into the Columbia area, widening to a 5 lane highway right after Neeses, then narrowing down to a 2 lane highway right after the town of North and widening to a 5 lane highway again after Swansea and staying that way until it merges with its parent route US 21 in Dixiana. In Columbia, the route stays concurrent with US 21 through Cayce, over the Congaree River on the Blossom Street Bridge, turning left onto Huger Street, right onto Elmwood Avenue, and left onto North Main Street. The roads separate at Hyatt Park, with US 321 staying west of I-77 and US 21 north of Columbia. The route goes through to communities of Winnsboro, Chester, York, and Clover before entering North Carolina at Bowling Green.

North Carolina
US 321 is an important route in Western North Carolina. It provides an alternative north–south route to I-77, which passes through a busy metropolitan area, and US 221, which is more twisty drive up the Appalachians. Travelers from South Carolina who are going to points west of Charlotte and want to avoid the traffic of I-77 may choose to enter the state on US 321.

The highway traverses through seven counties: Gaston, Lincoln, Catawba, Burke, Caldwell, Watauga, and Avery. US 321 has six control cities: Gastonia, Lincolnton, Hickory, Lenoir, Blowing Rock, and Boone.

US 321 is a multilane highway beginning at the state line. After 7 mi, it enters the Gastonia area. Traffic on northbound 321 through Gastonia is generally not as heavy as traffic on southbound 321 north of I-85, where it may back up for a couple of miles as drivers wait to turn onto I-85.

The road becomes a freeway at C. Grier Beam Boulevard in Gastonia, just south of NC 275/NC 279. It remains a freeway until just north of its junction with US 70 in Hickory. The freeway bypasses a number of cities that the old US 321 route once passed through. Today, US 321 Business follows the original 38 mi route, which serves Maiden, Newton, and Conover, but the freeway is a more direct route to the mountains, and the business route is generally used by local traffic only.

Traffic is usually heavy between Hickory and Lenoir. The North Carolina Department of Transportation (NCDOT) has a long-term plan to widen the road to six lanes, which is expected to begin after 2020.

North of Lenoir, US 321 is a four-lane divided highway, continuing up the steep escarpment of the Blue Ridge Mountains. Until early 2018, the road was a narrow two-lane highway from near Patterson through Blowing Rock. Work on this area continued for much of the first two decades of the 21st century. The widening of US 321 through Blowing Rock was and continues to be seen as a controversial project. Many residents of the town felt that a four-lane highway would destroy the character of the small town, and they proposed several bypass alternatives. NCDOT selected the widening as its preferred alternative, but added several features such as underground utilities, sidewalks, landscaping, and rock walls to make the widening more palatable to the residents opposed to it. These features were not present on the two-lane highway that was replaced. The final portion of the widening project, at the steepest part of the road just south of Blowing Rock, began in 2012 and was completed in 2018. Some landscaping work remains which will commence in Fall 2018 as its own project, constructed separately for beautification of the route through town.

North of Blowing Rock, US 321 is already a highway of four lanes up to King Street in Boone; thus, US 321 is a four-lane highway from the South Carolina state line to downtown Boone. Currently, US 321 meets US 421 at King Street and overlaps it over King Street to leave town to the west. NCDOT project R-2615 is proposed to widen the US 321/421 concurrency from this junction to their junction near Vilas, although this project is currently unfunded. There is a feasibility study (FS-0511A) in progress to examine the possibility of widening US 321 from the junction near Vilas to the Tennessee state line. If both of these projects were completed, then US 321 would be a four-lane highway through the entire state.

Tennessee
As it crosses into Tennessee, US 321 enters the Cherokee National Forest, and continues westward through the rugged valley between Pond Mountain on the south and Watauga Lake on the north. The highway passes numerous campgrounds, boat launches, and other lake-related recreational areas as it winds its way along the shores of the lake. South of Butler, the highway joins SR 67, which enters from the Mountain City area to the northeast. The Appalachian Trail crosses US 321 at its intersection with Shook Gap Road, just before the highway exits the national forest. At Hampton, US 321 intersects US 19E, and the two highways run concurrently northward into Elizabethton.

US 321 inverts directions in Elizabethton: the road is designated as southbound in both directions driving away from its intersection with US 19E. It is conterminous with US 11E through portions of Washington and Greene counties. In Greeneville, the highway continues south into Cocke County. At the Cocke-Greene County line US 321 becomes a four-laned divided highway and bypasses Parrottsville. The four-lane section ends just before US 321's junction with SR 160 and crossing I-40 at Newport.

The stretch of US 321 from Newport south to Cosby and southwest through Pittman Center to Gatlinburg parallels the northern boundary of the Great Smoky Mountains National Park and is quite scenic. From a point between Newport and Cosby to the intersection with the Little River Road, it is concurrent with SR 73. In Pigeon Forge, concurrent with US 441/Great Smoky Mountains Parkway, US 321 is a divided, multi-lane traffic-laden thoroughfare where it serves as the city's main route, lined with hotels, outlet malls and amusement facilities. Veering southwest of Pigeon Forge, the highway takes on a more rural character as it traverses Wears Valley, and narrows down to two lanes until its junction with SR 73 Scenic (the Little River Road) at the Townsend entrance to the park. It is concurrent with SR 73 from this junction to its terminus. With the exception of a 3 mi section between Townsend and Maryville, the remaining portions of the highway through Blount County are a minimum of four lanes and usually a divided highway. Once the highway reaches Fort Loudon Dam in Loudon County, it crosses the Tennessee River via a bridge, completed in 2017, southeast of the dam then intersects with US 11 in Lenoir City. US 321 has a wrong-way concurrency with SR 95 from a point several miles south of Lenoir City (near Greenback) to its terminus at I-40. In the northern part of Lenoir City, US 321 intersects I-75 and US 70 before reaching I-40. Beyond I-40, the road continues northward to Oak Ridge as the two-lane SR 95.

US 321 is a four-lane semi-divided thoroughfare from I-40 and I-75 to the Great Smoky Mountains National Park, except for the 3 mi stretch near Walland.

North Carolina Highway 17
North Carolina Highway 17 (NC 17) was an original state highway that traversed from Hickory to Boone, through Granite Falls, Hudson, Lenoir and Blowing Rock. In 1930, it was extended south on new primary routing to NC 113, in Propst Crossroads; also same year, US 321 was established in the state and overlapped NC 17 between Hickory and Boone. In 1934, NC 17 was decommissioned, with US 321 taking all north of Hickory and NC 96 taking all south.

North Carolina Highway 155
North Carolina Highway 155 (NC 155) was established in 1994 following the old alignment of US 321 as it was moved onto new four-lane controlled-access highway. From NC 275/NC 279, in Dallas, it traversed north through High Shoals to Lincolnton. Sharing a short concurrency with NC 150 as it bypass the downtown area of Lincolnton, it continues north meeting with main US 321, south of Maiden, continuing in concurrency through Newton and finally Conover, where it ended at US 70. In 1999, the remainder of US 321 was moved onto new freeway bypass west of Newton and Conover; at same time, NC 155 was decommissioned and absorbed into US 321 Business.

Future
In addition to the widening project,. Currently, US 321 is a surface road at the I-85 interchange, and is a limited access freeway a few hundred yards north. To extend the freeway to I-85, the remaining at-grade intersections and traffic lights would have to be eliminated.

Winnsboro business loop
U.S. Route 321 Business (US 321 Bus.) is a 4.350 mi business route of US 321 that exists in Winnsboro Mills and Winnsboro, via Columbia Road and Congress Street. It was established around 1951 or 1952, when mainline US 321 was rerouted west, bypassing Winnsboro.

Chester business loop
U.S. Route 321 Business (US 321 Bus.) is a 3.670 mi business route of US 321 in the city of Chester. It traverses downtown Chester, via Columbia Street and Center Road. It was established between 1962 and 1964, when mainline US 321 was rerouted west, bypassing Chester.

York business loop
U.S. Route 321 Business (US 321 Bus.) is a 2.500 mi business route of US 321 in the city of York, utilizing Congress Street and Kings Mountain Street. It was established around 1957–1958, when mainline US 321 was rerouted west, bypassing York.

Dallas–Hickory business loop
U.S. Route 321 Business (US 321 Bus) was established in June 1999, as a renumbering all of NC 155 and part of mainline US 321 in Catawba County. Traversing 37.2 mi through Gaston, Lincoln and Catawba counties, it connects the cities and towns of Dallas, High Shoals, Lincolnton, Maiden, Newton, Conover and Hickory. The highway follows the original US 321 routing through that existed prior to 1994.

Lincolnton alternate route
U.S. Route 321 Alternate (US 321A) was established 1956 when mainline US 321 was placed on new bypass east of downtown Lincolnton. It traversed along Aspen Street and around the Lincoln County Civil Court on Court Square Drive. In 1960 it was decommissioned, with Aspen Street becoming secondary roads.

Granite Falls–Lenoir alternate route
U.S. Route 321 Alternate (US 321A) was established 1948 as a number swap with US 321 through downtown Lenoir. In 1957, US 321A was extended south, replacing mainline US 321 through Granite Falls and Hudson, ending at its current southern terminus north of the Catawba River. In June 1964, US 321A was placed on one-way splits through downtown Lenoir; northbound continued along Mulberry Street and West Avenue, southbound rerouted along Main Street and College Avenue. In September 2006, US 321A was rerouted to its current northern terminus, just south of downtown Lenoir, via McLean Drive. Its old alignment through downtown Lenoir was carried on by NC 90 until 2012, when it too was rerouted; the old alignment is now under city control.

Traversing through Granite Falls, Sawmills, Hudson and Lenoir US 321A has not changed much over the years. Predominantly a two-lane highway, it parallels a short line railroad and connects to several factories and downtowns.

Lenoir alternate route
U.S. Route 321 Alternate (US 321A) was established 1941 as a new alternate route bypassing Lenoir. In 1948, it was replaced by mainline US 321.

Blowing Rock business loop
U.S. Route 321 Business (US 321 Bus) was established 1960 as an upgrade to secondary roads through downtown Blowing Rock; which were originally part of mainline US 321 until about 1954, when it was moved onto a new bypass east. The highway traverses along Main Street and shares a concurrency with US 221 for 0.8 mi on its northern section.

Boone truck route
U.S. Route 321 Truck (US 321 Truck) redirects truckers traveling through the area to go south and around downtown Boone, via NC 105 and NC Highway 105 Bypass (SR-1107). The shares some overlap with US 221 Truck and complete overlap with US 421 Truck.

Greeneville truck route
U.S. Route 321 Truck (US 321 Truck) redirects truckers traveling south on US 321 around downtown. It shares a concurrency with US 11E and SR 70. The route begins at US 11E/US 321 and ends 3.6 mi later at US 321/SR 70.

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Talk:New York metropolitan area

Landmass definition is confusing
The opening paragraphs states that the urban landmass is 12,093 km2, while the table lists it as 8,936 km2. Three supporting external lists (10,11,12) state that first number is the largest urban landmass. Meanwhile the table on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo lists 13,452 km2 (a larger number). I trust there is logic here, can anybody explain this to me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Balenman (talk • contribs) 14:02, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

What?
Apparently, although the New York metro Area contains Pike County, Pennsylvania, the New Jersey Palisades, and other mountainous areas, its highest point is 400 feet up on Staten Island??? The New Jersey Palisades are over 500 feet above sea level in some parts while in Sussex County, NJ and Pike County, PA are over 1,000 feet above sea level. Also, Bald Mountain in New Jersey is 1,000 feet above sea level. 67.82.98.49 (talk) 21:45, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

New York metropolitan area composition

This was discussed years ago, but no consensus on the talk page was achieved. The picture to the left, which is on this article's page, constitutes what I believe to be the New York metropolitan area as it is commonly accepted. NYCRuss  ☎  21:34, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

 * The counties in pink are ones that belong to other metropolitan areas as defined by the Office of Management and Budget. Fairfield County, for example, belongs to the Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk metropolitan statistical area and not to the New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Islands metropolitan statistical area. You are confusing a region composed of multiple metropolitan areas with the New York metropolitan area. --Polaron | Talk 21:38, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

 * It sounds like you are confusing statistical areas with metropolitan areas. The map does represent multiple statistical areas, but it is one metropolitan area.  NYCRuss   ☎  21:44, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

 * And why do you believe that the combined statistical area is a single metropolitan area. You appear to be the one who's confused. --Polaron | Talk 21:46, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

 * This dispute seems very unnecessary. Because there are multiple definitions for "metropolitan area" in general and "New York metropolitan area" in particular, the article should describe and discuss all of the different definitions, rather than choosing one and treating it as the One True Definition. Thus, describe the MSA, the CSA, the New York–Newark, NY–NJ–CT Urbanized Area, the "metropolitan divisions" in the MSA, the DMA, and any other reasonably authoritative definitions that turn up. --Orlady (talk) 23:33, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

 * There is actually "one true definition" in the sense that when the Census Bureau tabulates data for "metropolitan areas", they always use the metropolitan statistical area concept (see for example the State and Metropolitan Area Data Book ). The article should discuss all aspects of the term but we need to decide what concept to use for the infobox. We can't mix data for different concepts in the infobox. Also, there is already an article for the wider multicentric region at Tri-State Region. This article should focus on the immediate commuter sphere. --Polaron | Talk 01:29, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

 * If this article should "focus on the immediate commuter sphere", then it needs to include Fairfield County. NYCRuss   ☎  00:30, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Yes, but not New Haven and Litchfield. In fact, only about of one third of Fairfield is included based on commuting. In any case, the main issue appears to be the infobox as the wider definition is already discussed in the article. For nationwide comparison purposes, only the MSA definition is suitable. CSAs are explicitly mentioned in OMB guidelines as not to be compared with other MSAs. Keep in mind that MSAs are statistical approximations of a metropolitan area and should not be used for geographic boundaries. It is to be used for population/demographic and economic statistics. MSAs geographically overbound in some areas and underbound in others. It should also be noted that Stamford is itself an employment core and is its own separate metro area although most of Stamford's suburbs are also NYC suburbs. Infobox statistics should remain as MSA for comparability purposes. --Polaron | Talk 05:09, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

 * First, this article is called the New York metropolitan area, not the New York metropolitan statistical area. These are clearly different.  The Census Bureau dropped the ball on this one.  They did such a poor job defining the NYC MSA, that other federal agencies are using definitions other than the MSA, regardless of OMB standards.  The NYC MSA definition, quite simply, is wrong and misleading.  To make the case that any county that borders NYC is not part of the metro area, while a distant county in Pennsylvania is included, is simply incredulous.  As Wikipedia is not beholden to OMB standards, there is no reason to be married to it.  This page should primarily focus on the metropolitan area, with the MSA and CSA mentioned as related concepts. The infobox should be modified to focus on the metropolitan area, and possibly also mention the MSA and CSA.  I believe that the RPA's definition of the metropolitan area is the best one available.  As soon as I can locate a source, I'll post it on this page for further consideration.  NYCRuss   ☎  18:27, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

 * "To make the case that any county that borders NYC is not part of the metro area" has nothing to do with how the MSA is defined. It is primarily because a seperate employment core exists around Bridgeport/Stamford, which is why it is separated from the NYC metro area. Note also that the RPA is not strictly speaking a metropolitan area but more of a regional thing that plans for this area composed of adjacent and interacting multiple metropolitan areas. Also, what federal agency doesn't use the MSA when tabulating data for "metropolitan areas"? In the case of the infobox, a specific definition must be used that is comparable to the rest of the country. Otherwise, it might be best to just not have an infobox. --Polaron | Talk 18:59, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

 * I have to agree with NYCRuss on this matter, the article should not be specifically about the statistical area as defined by the OMB. Yes, Stamford/Bridgeport is a core business area, as are Newark, Elizabeth and White Plains to name a few. Polaron, you mention that the infobox needs to be consistent yet, as in examples I have pointed to in my posts at the bottom of this section, other metro areas are including CSA info, and similar debates exist over the strict usage of OMB definitions. I think this is a matter that the infobox, and maybe the overall governance of depicting metro areas, is not clearly addressing how metro areas are perceived by those who live and/or work within them. Can anyone point me to the actual Metro Area Infobox template page, I cannot seem to locate it. dtgriffith  [talk] 00:23, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Then those other articles are using it wrong and we should fix them. At one time I made all the infoboxes uniformly but it's hard to keep up with random people wanting to use the largest possible definition for their own metro areas. As I mention somewhere below, perhaps we should have a regional article and discuss the metropolitan area as one of the nodes of this wider region. As long as it is clear that the metropolitan area population is the MSA population, then there shouls be no problem. --Polaron | Talk 03:21, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

 * My point is the MSA definition seems to miss the boat in more than one instance. Can you please point to the governance/policy that dictates the Metro Area infoboxes need to follow the OMB's MSA definitions? I have not been able to locate the template page, perhaps I am searching for the wrong thing. My concern with two articles – one serving statistical data, the other about the region as perceived by its residents, workers and media market – will only serve to confuse readers, not educate and enlighten them. dtgriffith  [talk] 15:45, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

 * I agree that this dispute is unnecessary, and I also believe that it is absurd. All commonly understood definitions of the New York metropolitan area include Fairfield County, Connecticut.  Connecticut participates in the MTA.  The RPA defines itself as serving "New York and the surrounding metropolitan region" with Connecticut as part of that area.  I can't even think of one explicit definition (the census definitions are of statistical areas, which are not the same thing) of the New York metropolitan area that excludes all of Connecticut.  We need a next step because apparently we don't have a consensus about whether or not Fairfield County is part of the New York metropolitan area.  NYCRuss   ☎  18:56, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Here are some sources that define the metropolitan area as including part of Connecticut:
 * |U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics New York-New Jersey Information Office Changing Compensation Costs in the New York Metropolitan Area -March 2010
 * | Regional Plan Association (it is in their logo)
 * | U.S. Federal Trade Commission FTC Announces Results of Inspection of New York Metropolitan Area Funeral Homes For Compliance with Consumer Protection Laws
 * The combined statistical area is already discussed in the proper context in the article. Also, there is a separate article for the wider tri-state area as I mentioned above. --Polaron | Talk 00:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

 * The combined statistical area includes Connecticut, but you continue to remove it from the infobox. Would you care to explain why?  NYCRuss   ☎  16:34, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

 * If you folks can't resolve this amicably, when there are, at least, official definitions to work from, then I suggest that you never work on any articles about NYC neighborhoods, where there are no useful official definitions. Since there are a multiplicity of different definitions, the article should clearly discuss them and differentiate between them, and not annoint one or the other as THE definition. It may also be that this article and the article on the Tri-State Area need to be merged, as they essentially refer to the same thing. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

 * It has long been common practice to use the MSA definition in metro area infoboxes as that is what is comparable across the U.S. The OMB actually states not to compare CSAs with MSAs. In any case, simply adding Connecticut to the infobox without altering the other parameters leads to an inconsistency. --Polaron | Talk 18:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

 * Having spent the first 36 years of my life living in Fairfield County, and the past year one town across the border into New Haven County, the area has been commonly regarded as part of the NYC Metro area for as long as I can remember. MetroNorth Railroad, the job market, broadcast TV and radio networks and newspapers all centered on NYC have always included Fairfield County as part of the metro population. Though this is based more on culture and lifestyle and less on census stats. In Fairfield County going into "The City" would never be mistaken for Bridgeport or Stamford. Perhaps the convergence of this article with Tri-State Region would help this along while calling attention to the cultural and lifestyle aspect versus the stats. Just a thought. dtgriffith (talk) 01:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

 * I have reservations about including Litchfield County CT (Hartford area!) and seriously question Ocean County NJ (Philly area!). In any event, there should be no question that Fairfield & New Haven counties CT are in the New York Metro Area. Markvs88 (talk) 15:19, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

 * I think that it is clear that the MSA definition fails to accurately define the NYC metro area. I also agree with the above suggestion that the Tri-State area article should be merged into this article.  Seeing as a definition other than the MSA is needed, we need to discuss options that accurately define the NYC metro area.  For choices, I suggest either the CSA, or the RPA's 31 county coverage area.  Using the RPA as a standard would be out of the norm for Wikipedia, but it would be substantially more accurate than the MSA.  Thoughts?  NYCRuss   ☎  00:16, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

 * I agree with you on the failure of the MSA definition, though the Metro Area infoboxes are all based on it, so we need to consider consistency in finding a solution. I wonder if there are other metro area pages experiencing similar disputes or discussions based on seemingly wrong definitions – would be worth investigating. I am not that familiar with the sources used for this sort of research, not my area of expertise, so I don't have any other resources to offer up at this point.

 * I have noticed quite a few back-and-forth edits over the inclusion of Connecticut during the past month, which is becoming absurd and not productive. Now that I have been freed from another WIki Project's initiative I will focus some of my efforts to help find a solution to this debate. dtgriffith  [talk] 03:33, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Interesting, I randomly checked three metro areas from the list found on Table of United States Metropolitan Statistical Areas and came across similar debates over the usage of the OMB data. Check out Talk:San Francisco Bay Area, Talk:Chicago metropolitan area and Talk:Greater Houston/Archive 3, each of which has taken different approaches to find resolutions on the article pages. After reading through these Talk pages my sense is that the MSA and CSA should serve as useful but not strict guidelines; that Wikipedia articles should not be strict interpretations of statistical data used by the OMB for their own non-encyclopedic purposes. It's late and I'm fading, I will revisit this subject more over the next few days as I can find time. dtgriffith  [talk] 04:56, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

 * In looking at other metro area pages last night, I found they are not all consistently using the MSA data for the infobox. In fact, both Chicago metropolitan area and San Francisco Bay Area explicitly use CSA data in their infoboxes. Perhaps the problem is the infobox criteria being too reliant on the MSA data and needs to be adjusted to reflect these discrepancies surrounding real life activity and culture. Yes, Stamford, CT is a core business center, but so is nearby White Plains, NY. dtgriffith  [talk] 18:28, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Perhaps, the solution is to have one regional article on the Tri-state area and then discuss the immediate metropolitan area of NYC as the main portion of that region. While White Plains is indeed a separate employment core (as evidence by its being a principal city of the MSA), Stamford is located in a separate urban area. There is technically continuity in the urban area but the length of contact between the Bridgeport-Stamford urban area and New York-Newark urban area is less than the value needed for separation of urban areas so they area separated. Because they are in separate urban areas, they are in separate MSAs. This is all done by an algorithm. One complication in using the CSA is that the use of local opinion will now be disregarded and a 15% employment interchange measure is all that is needed to join a CSA. This means that for the 2010 census, the CSA of New York will now include Hartford because Hartford and Litchfield satisfy the 15% EIM. --Polaron | Talk 19:04, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

 * I agree, one article addressing these various aspects and nuances makes sense, though we should examine the Metro Area infobox criteria to see how this can be better addressed to satisfy the statistics and the real life perception. As I mentioned above, please point the way to the policy behind the infobox so we can find an amicable solution. I have lived in the region my entire life, and though business/economic stats are important, they play a much lesser role in how the overall area is perceived from within in day-to-day life. dtgriffith  [talk] 15:53, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Just to reinforce what's already been said about confusion, I just reverted someone who changed "Pennsylvania" to "Connecticut" under "states" in the InfoBox. Suppose the reverted editor had come here from Tri-state Area, which defines the New York Tri-State Area as New York, New Jersey and Connecticut: what uninitiated person, especially one who'd read the Tri-state area article, would think of it instead as New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania (the Middle Atlantic or Northern Mid-Atlantic States)? If the article does give a systematically-widening series of Greater New Yorks, it might start with the earliest, the Five Boroughs after consolidation in 1898. That's how I first came here, on an older redirect from Greater New York (which I've since changed into a disambiguation page, since the two senses are almost identically valid, depending on context.) And it might be best to start with the simple, general, descriptive stuff, before showering the reader with all the component counties, urban areas, and metros. —— Shakescene (talk) 04:50, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

 * I guess that uninitiated person would have to be from PA and not the Tri-state area! Mid-Atlantic and Tri-state are two different things.  NYC news never refers to NY as mid-Atlantic, but the do seem to refer to NJ on down as mid-Atlantic and of course never PA since it is not even on the Atlantic!  PA is not even on the map in the NYC area - you don't matter.--
 * The bottom line is that some people in MA, PA and New England as well as northern and eastern parts of CT (who are probably not CT natives) hate CT being in metro NYC. They want to put CT in line with Boston but the facts are that not one part of CT is in a Boston metro region, DMA or anything else.  You people need to sit back, relax and let us be who we are before we break away as has been proposed many times in the past - then you will really be stuck!
 * If people can respect south Jersey as being in a different region, then how come some of you cannot accept that others states get divided into other regions as well? Boston is a long drive from anywhere in CT while NYC is like 10-15 minutes away!  Bottom line is that CT is connected with NYC in every way while PA is not and CT is not connected to Boston at all mainly because of distance.  You cannot make what is not. 99.2.61.172 (talk) 15:35, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

 * Hello again. Connecticut is both a part of the Tri State (no one is saying otherwise, nor talking about Boston except for you) as well as being a part of New England. We've been through this many times before. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 16:05, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

How is Allentown, 40 minutes north of Philadelphia, in the NYC Metro Area? Gorverment made or not, it seems people are trying hard to make NYC seem to have more influence to possibly compete with Toyko, Mexico, London, and other world cities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.229.10.56 (talk) 19:33, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Updating census estimates at New York City
This is a request to those who are more familiar with the relevant metro statistics than I. As I laboriously updated the Citywide census estimates scattered throughout New York City to 1 July 2009, I saw several outdated estimates of the metropolitan area populations. (See also Demographics of New York City.) I could update those metro estimates myself, but it could probably be done more quickly, easily and accurately by those who can recognize which definitions apply (and not invalidating other data based on the 2000 Census or 2007 City & County Data Book), while I finish updating the individual NYC boroughs. —— Shakescene (talk) 03:39, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

 * I am updating the "Principal Cities" section according to 2010 estimates, as this is the latest data set that I could find.--Soulparadox 07:49, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Highest Point in NY Metro Area
It is absolutely wrong that the highest point in the NYC Metro area is located in Alpine NJ. For instance, the highest point in Essex Cty, NJ, is around 700 feet. The highest point in NJ, in Sussex Cty, NJ, is a little over 1800 feet. I am unsure, however, if High Point is considered part of the metro area. Plus, there are portions of PA and upstate NY that are included in the definition. Is metro area defined on the county level, or municipality level? If its the county level, this would be an easy thing to determine. If it is the municipality level, that is a little more complicated.

I can see where the confusion may come from, however. After 9/11, many broadcasters that were located in the WTC located their transmission sites to Alpine, due to its higher-than-average elevation and line-of-site view to NYC. I believe Alpine was always used as a broadcaster site, though. Roodog2k (talk) 13:07, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

 * I agree. The statistical map shows that Litchfield County, Connecticut is included in the metro area, which would mean that Mount Frissell at 2,454 feet is in it too. Though I'm sure there are higher peaks in Duchess County, New York or thereabouts. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 15:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

 * I didn't even realize that about CT! Very interesting.  So, that may be a candidate, but again, is Metro Area defined by county, municipality, or worse by Census designated place, especially since we may be talking about places in BFE?Roodog2k (talk) 16:58, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

11,842 sq mi
I assume it's for the combined statistical area, but is the 11,842 sq mi give for the CSA or the MSA? If it is for the CSA, perhaps that should be made more clear by stating that exactly, and then we also need to have the MSA land area printed probably in both the beginning of the page and in the infor box. See how it's done for Metro Detroit where the populations and areas are listed for the urbanized area measurement, the MSA, and the CSA. --Criticalthinker (talk) 10:38, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Perspective New York Metropolitan Area compared to New York State Population
Might it be sensible to give readers a perspective on the New York Metropolitan Statistical Area by contrasting it with the population of the entire State of New York. The content here states the population of the New York Statistical Area is 18,897,109 as of the 2010 census while the same census gives the figure of 19,378,102 as the population of the State of New York. It givers a certain perspective to show that the population in the area being referenced in this article which includes parts of other states is according to the data only 480,993 shy of the population of the whole of New York State. Tomandzeke (talk) 14:17, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Named bridges and tunnels
It seems that the list of crossings in the metro area has grown substantially which has me concerned. The crossings that go within the five boroughs of New York should definitely be listed, but others (such as the Driscoll, Bear Mountain, Newark Bay, and Pulaski skyway bridges) should be omitted. My issue is that if all major bridges in the NY metro area are to be listed, then we might as well add the Basilone Bridge, the Scudder Falls Bridge, the Trenton-Morrisville Bridge, the William A. Stickel Memorial Bridge, the Newburgh-Beacon Bridge, and the Edison Bridge (part of US 9 in NJ).

It just becomes too cluttered.

But when you look at the Delaware Valley crossing list, it only lists the bridges crossing the Delaware River. To be fair, there aren't that many bridges in the Philly area, but notice how the Girard Point Bridge (which is the double-decker bridge of I-95) is not listed, nor is the Vine Street Expressway Bridge (part of I 676); they are both crucial arteries.

Since the NY Metro area is so large, it's going to be a problem if we list EVERY single "major" bridge. I think we should have some kind of criteria as to which bridges should be listed.

I propose that at least, the crossings within the five boroughs should be listed. What other kinds of criteria should be considered?

Also, I see that there is execessive detail about the crossings, especially future improvements, historic landmark bridges, or the busiest/widest bridges. That kind of information is suited for a another article, but should definitely be removed from this "list."

Any thoughts? Mlaurenti (talk) 15:22, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

 * Thank you for your input. However, these are my thoughts:
 * First of all, this is definitely not simply a list. Pertinent details like widest, longest, or busiest in the world or on a continent are huge, as are planned billion or multibillion dollar improvements, which unless you actually create an entirely new article titled, "Named bridges and tunnels in the New York metropolitan area", will never get their duly detailed mention. Pertinent details improve the article and educate the reader looking for info, and bridges and tunnels comprise a more integral part of the very identity of the New York area's transportation network than any other metro on the planet.
 * Secondly, as far as the other bridges you have just mentioned, by all means, please do add them!!! (Or when I get time, I'll get to them as well.) There were only six more, but even if there were 10 or 15 more (as we still need named bridges from Connecticut and Long Island to be mentioned), this group wouldn't be as long as the group of highways detailed above, which itself is incomplete. Speaking of which, that bunch itself includes the Garden State Parkway, the Taconic State Parkway, the Merritt Parkway, etc., which do not connect to New York City itself. So then how could it make any sense to leave out the Newark Bay Bridge, Pulaski Skyway, Driscoll Bridge, etc. ?
 * Finally, to compare the New York metropolitan area article to the Delaware Valley article is invalid. That article needs to be upgraded - rather than downgrading this article to a more remedial level.
 * Castncoot (talk) 12:18, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

The Merritt Parkway does go directly into NYC, just not Manhattan. Anyone living along the border knows that the Hutch and Merritt are the same thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.211.201.227 (talk) 21:09, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

History
For experts (and non-experts alike) in the history of the New York metropolitan area, your help would be greatly appreciated in expanding, citing, cleaning up, and overall upgrading this section. In addition, the historical detail about the area outside of the New York City boroughs themselves is pathetically sparse. Some detail about the second-tier (after NYC) cities in the metro area (including Newark, Jersey City, Yonkers, Bridgeport, and Paterson, for example) would be great. Thank you!!! Castncoot (talk) 13:28, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

amusement parks
so, how about coney island — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.255.101.107 (talk) 05:32, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Lehigh Valley
I am a lifelong resident of the Lehigh Valley and was surprised to see it engulfed in the Greater NYC CMSA definition when I did not suspect it possible for at least another decade. This occurred due to an unpublished rule change by the Federal Office of Management and Budget, which oversees the Census Bureau. The only metric used in combination is employment interchange between the MSA's and the old rule was automatic combination for at least 25% and consultation with the Congressional delegation for 15-25%, with the highest number taking it if sufficient levels exist in more than one way. The change made it automatic at 15%, which may be too low. I am using the opportunity to inform the largest possible audience of what exists in the Lehigh Valley, while not wanting the third-largest metro area of PA to be regarded as mere suburbs of something larger. This is an important area in its own right and must act as such to compete commercially. Heff01 (talk) 06:50, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

For many who actually call the Greater NYC area home, Dorney Park & Wildwater Kingdom has been the first exposure to the Lehigh Valley. I am in the process of adding LV information as appropriate in the article as designed. Heff01 (talk) 06:56, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

I added Allentown and Bethlehem to the infobox as important cities of Greater NYC only to find them deleted the next day. Allentown is the CSA's tenth-largest city and I would greatly appreciate it being allowed to remain there as long as it remains within the CSA defintion. I have also added climate data for Lehigh Valley International Airport. Heff01 (talk) 06:05, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

I have added Stroudsburg, PA and Morristown and Toms River, NJ to the climate section to make it more representative of such a large area as this. Why does my browser show my four climate additions open and hide the older boxes? Heff01 (talk) 03:40, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

In the 2010 census an increasing percentage of 7.4 of Pennsylvanians lived in the NYC CSA. The greatest population growth by far in Pennsylvania is in this eastern region of five counties. It resulted in a new State Senate seat (the 40th.) Heff01 (talk) 20:00, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

 * It seems as if you guys can't get enough of NYC and want to be included in our region. Well - you are not.  You guys are annoying.  You want to include yourselves in an area that you are not in, while the other annoying region of Boston keeps trying to stake claims on CT, even though Boston is no where near CT.  Just stick to where you are...  Oh yeah - unlike NJ and CT, PA roads are not directly connected to NYC, nor is there a commuter train system either.  Stick to Philly - it's yours. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.211.201.227 (talk) 18:53, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

PA? Why the False Additions?
Listen, since this article was created, I have noticed that even more PA counties have been included. These are false. PA is not a part of metro NYC. The ONLY county that you could throw in there is Pike County, and that is only because of TV market. This place is called the "Tri-state area" for a reason - it includes NY, NJ and CT. PA is not on the list because they areas. No matter how close it is to NJ, it does not put it in metro NYC.

This is pure fantasy about PA being in metro NYC. PA may WANT to be in in it, but they are not. PA has it's own major cities which is one of the reasons they are not in metro NYC. PA also has it's own Tri-state area down in the Philly region. What's next - adding Ohio and the whole of New York State? The Baltimore metro does not extend into Philly's metro area - which it easily could, so why do certain peoples keep trying to extend PA into NYC's metro area? The map is false and the inclusion of PA is false. PA is not even on the east coast for that matter.

I am revising the article to reflect reality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:558:6017:A2:8B1:BB00:9524:92B7 (talk) 18:59, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

 * →I Totally Agree, PA should never be included in any New York MSA or CSA. Pike County is a shaky addition as well — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.228.85.64 (talk) 16:15, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

 * Yes, who added PA, let alone FIVE counties? This is news to us here in the NY/NJ/CT TRI-STATE area!  I have lived in South Jersey and I have been in and out of Philly and looking at Philly news, they claim those Northeastern PA counties that this article lists as a part of metro NYC.  This is all-out BS.  Yes, the Poconos sell cheap homes to New Yorkers and so many peoples from metro NYC move out there, but they are not metro NYC.  People should come here to get the facts, not the hopes and dreams of propaganda editors.  This is why Wikipedia cannot be trusted for facts.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.211.201.227 (talk) 18:48, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Protection edit request on 25 August 2015
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the single largest in North America.
I think Mexico City, Mexico has a larger metro area? Boilingorangejuice (talk) 22:49, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Theme parks
I am new to editing Wikipedia. I added to the "Theme Parks" section of this NY Metro article because it seems the historic Cyclone is as worthy of mention as a future (and as yet unbuilt) Ferris Wheel. I do not understand why this edit was removed. Please explain.

Thank you.

Picky-Picasso (talk) 07:00, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Is there a contradiction?
The article says that the region includes "five counties in northeastern Pennsylvania," but the map only shows one county in Pennsylvania. Carlo (talk) 04:10, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

 * The problem is, it does NOT include five counties in PA. Do you think NYC news has time to cover NYC/NYS/NJ/CT AND PA news?  PA has it's own regions and Philly is it's anchor city.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.211.201.227 (talk) 18:50, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Religion
This user Castncoot is a world-class vandal and this user considers that reliable information about religion should not be included in the article.

The 2014 Pew Religious Landscape Survey showed the religious makeup of the New York City metro area was as follows: — Preceding unsigned comment added by ControlCorV (talk • contribs) 02:38, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

 * Please get a table which also subdivides Judaism, Islam, and Hinduism into their various intricate denominations and which does not classify "Non-Christian faiths" or "Other Non-Christian faiths." That I believe could be considered for inclusion. Castncoot (talk) 16:47, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

 * OK, by now you may have seen the parallel discussion on the Talk:New York page and the agreement reached there. It entailed eliminating the totally unnecessary "Non-Christian" label and consolidating Christian denominations with less than 2% into "Other Christian" to keep the table within reasonable length. Castncoot (talk) 13:16, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * This is what it the application of that algorithm would look like when extrapolated to the table on this page:

Castncoot (talk) 13:16, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

 * Will implement as such. Castncoot (talk) 13:16, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

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NYC CSA
This should be NYC CSA, not the MSA. Check all metros in Census Bureau, and you'll see that your thing is wrong, NYC Russ18:02, 18 July 2017 (UTC)18:02, 18 July 2017 (UTC)18:02, 18 July 2017 (UTC)174.44.65.34 (talk)

 * The definition of the CSA was updated in 2018. I have modified the Definitions area, but not the rest of the page.  It does not include the Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton MSA, so I think the Lehigh Valley information should be removed.  Only Pike and Monroe counties in PA are part of the CSA.DevinMcC (talk) 23:18, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Which city
See Talk:New York for a discussion which affects this page. Andrewa (talk) 22:14, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 8 August 2017

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. No such user (talk) 09:21, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

New York metropolitan area → New York Combined Statistical Area – The following reason was given by User:Manualy20: "NY Metro does not contain Ulster, Orange, Dutchess, Monroe, Leigh, Warren, Mercer, New Haven, Litchfield and Northhampton counties. It's the CSA which has this all." He moved it without discussion, so I am putting a discussion here. epicgenius (talk) 00:18, 8 August 2017 (UTC) Hey! You called me Manialy20. Thats not my username. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manualy20 (talk • contribs) 01:42, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose unless there is consensus that the article should be split, especially the Definitions sections, listing both the MSA and CSA. As of now, this appears to be a merged article discussing both. And currently both NYC Metro Area and New York Combined Statistical Area redirect here. I have also noted that Manialy20 attempted to remove this content with a false edit summary.Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:32, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * And is now blocked for trolling, socking and incompetence. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:34, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose Power~enwiki (talk) 02:38, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose The New York metropolitan area when generically mentioned as such allows for the most liberal interpretation and therefore contains it all. Castncoot (talk) 03:07, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

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Small Edit Suggestion
Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) is named in the main body as a short and explained, but in the introduction above the 'Contents Table' it comes out of nowhere, as someone unknown with this subject I wondered what I was reading about. Thx all for your insight though. Jasperwillem (talk) 01:53, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

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"New York–Newark" vs "New York–Newark–Bridgeport"
Are these used interchangably when naming the combined statistical area? I found a couple sources where both names are used without explanation. In the article, Bridgeport is only included in the name in the infobox. Languorrises (talk) 16:47, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

 * This article covers several statistical areas, with redirects for each, including New York-Newark, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA and New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA, among others. I would think the preferred alternate name in the infobox would be the one with the greatest geographical extent covered in the article. Ibadibam (talk) 18:43, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Rename to Greater New York
Greater New York is a common name for the metro area. Therefore I’m requesting that this page be moved to Greater New York. MetricSupporter89 (talk) 04:00, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

 * If you're serious, you'll need to present a better case than "a common name", and use the WP:RM process to start an official requested move discussion. Dicklyon (talk) 04:04, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

It’s because of how calling a metro area by using the term “Greater” would be a lot better than just saying metropolitan area as that can be sometimes “boring”. MetricSupporter89 (talk) 04:32, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

 * Do go on... Dicklyon (talk) 06:18, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Article Needs to be Updated
The new definitions remove the Allentown MSA from the NYC CSA, so the article needs to be updated accordingly. 173.54.199.86 (talk) 17:35, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Goofy sentence needs subject-matter expert to correct.
This sentence in the proposal section is incomprehensible:
 * >Within the State of New York, discussions have emerged of not succeeded the New York-portion to a separate state but rather splitting the states into different regions, with separate governors and legislators whilst remaining part of the state.

Rickcolosimo (talk) 17:27, 2 November 2019 (UTC) Rick Colosimo

Interactive map is broken, lacks information
The first item below the main sidebar is an interactive map. It is broken. The map is default centered on lat/long (0,0) and even if you pan and zoom to the NYMA, nothing besides the political and road maps of the area is shown. No boundaries, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saxshoe (talk • contribs) 19:04, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

10th-largest or 8th?
Wikipedia's own page says it's 8th.

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Major Issues
I updated the maps in the infobox, but this article still has major issues; this is not the New York City CSA but this article uses them interchangeably. This article is on the Metro Area specifically, but it mentions counties and cities outside of the metro area as if they are a part of it, when they are only a part of the CSA. This needs to be clarified because it is highly misleading and inaccurate. For maps of the MSA, MSA Divisions , and CSA. Bill Williams 01:05, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

 * Some other metro articles have subsections on the CSA specifically, which is what I think this article needs. Currently many things need to be removed or clarified regarding the MSA vs CSA. Bill Williams 01:10, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

 * Dutchess and Orange counties both get commuter rail to NYC via Metro North and are basically in the process of being integrated into the metro area proper. They're probably worth a mention here imo. SwordofStorms (talk) 19:32, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

 * Those counties are both part of the CSA but not the MSA. Almost no other article on a metro area is this vague and confusing by conflating MSA and CSA throughout. They should at least be distinguished in the article, instead of being stated as if they are the same thing. Bill Williams 19:38, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Map incorrect?
After the intro mentions the CT cities that are included in the NYC metro area, the map does not show any part of CT as being in the metro area. 69.113.89.168 (talk) 19:56, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

 * That is because the intro is flawed, and I do not want to have to edit the entire article to fix it. This article mistakenly throws the term metro area around in an inaccurate manner, referring to the CSA as the metro area (MSA) when they are two different things. Connecticut has parts of the New York CSA but not the MSA. Bill Williams 04:41, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Image tag removed but nothing fixed
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PIA25527: Map of New York City Subsidence and Uplift
Here is JPL's Photojournal of PIA25527: Map of New York City Subsidence and Uplift. Rjluna2 (talk) 18:15, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Ny metro vs toyko metro economies
both articles state that the respective metro economies are the largest in the world. This obviously can't be true. Can someone determine which is largest and update both articles to reflect this. 2A02:8084:6A81:3380:92C:2561:7D79:880F (talk) 21:02, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

 * Here's the problem: if reliable sources say the same thing about both metro areas, then there's no case to be made here. As incoherent as it is, we're not here to determine what is "true" -we simply state what reliable sources say. If reliable sources say something seemingly absurd, that's what we say in the article.
 * So, the best way to make a case to straighten this out is to gather and present sources. Jonathan f1 (talk) 04:32, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Recreating the map image in SVG
Moving with the times, I will be recreating - and eventually replacing within the article - this image with an SVG equivalent. The current version serves the purpose, but is awfully inferior for the high resolution screens we have nowadays. Great job for a 2005 map, though.

If anyone has any suggestions (for example, differentiating the NY MSA and CSA) please reply here. Rishabh Tatiraju (talk) 23:27, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

 * New York Metropolitan Area Counties.svg Map has been recreated. See thumbnail. Rishabh Tatiraju (talk) 00:46, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Correction needs to be made -- Pike County is no longer included in the NYC MSA and needs to be removed. 170.85.72.88 (talk) 20:09, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Any official sources? Currently using https://censusreporter.org/profiles/31000US35620-new-york-newark-jersey-city-ny-nj-pa-metro-area/. I'll be removing Mercer as per the above source. Rishabh Tatiraju (talk) 02:44, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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U.S. Route 421

U.S. Route 421 (also U.S. Highway 421, US 421) is a diagonal northwest–southeast United States Numbered Highway in the states of North Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, Kentucky, and Indiana. The highway runs for 941 mi from Fort Fisher, North Carolina, to US 20 in Michigan City, Indiana. Along its routing, US 421 serves several cities including Wilmington, North Carolina; Greensboro, North Carolina; Bristol, Tennessee and Virginia; Lexington, Kentucky; and Indianapolis, Indiana. US 421 is a spur route of US 21, which it meets west of Yadkinville, North Carolina.

Route description

 * NC
 * 328 mi
 * TN
 * 43.4 mi
 * VA
 * 69.23 mi
 * KY
 * 272.4 mi
 * IN
 * 232.00 mi
 * Total
 * 941 mi
 * }
 * IN
 * 232.00 mi
 * Total
 * 941 mi
 * }
 * }

US 421 begins at Fort Fisher, North Carolina, and heads generally to the northwest to Michigan City, Indiana. Along the way, it passes through Bristol, Tennessee and Virginia; Lexington, Kentucky; and Indianapolis, Indiana.

North Carolina
US 421 begins near Fort Fisher State Recreation Area and heads through North Carolina's southeastern beaches to Wilmington. It then heads in a northwesterly direction through Clinton, Dunn, Lillington, Sanford and Siler City to the Piedmont Triad region. Major highway junctions between north of Wilmington and Greensboro are North Carolina Highway 11 (NC 11), Interstate 95 (I-95), US 401, US 1, US 64 and I-85. In Greensboro, it follows the Greensboro Urban Loop paired with I-85 south of Greensboro, close to Pleasant Garden, and I-73 northwest of Greensboro, close to Colfax. It then departs the urban loop and connects to I-40 towards Forsyth County as it becomes its own freeway along the former Business Loop 40 alignment. Major intersections are NC 150, NC 66, NC 67, US 158 and US 52 between Greensboro and Winston-Salem. After Winston-Salem, it intersects I-40 once again but continues westerly passing through Lewisville, Yadkinville, Wilkesboro and Boone. Major highway junctions between Winston-Salem and Boone are US 601, I-77, NC 16, Blue Ridge Parkway, US 221 and US 321. US 421 continues westerly into Tennessee towards Mountain City, Tennessee. US 421 is a limited-access freeway through Siler City northward. US 421 is a divided highway from north of NC 49 all of the way to Wilkesboro.

Tennessee
US 421 enters Tennessee from North Carolina at Trade. It is the oldest crossroads community in Tennessee and is the easternmost part of the state. The road "as the crow would fly" is a short distance in Volunteer State but traverses through two mountain ranges. After Trade, it ventures into Mountain City through a 40 mph zone while bypassing the downtown area. After Mountain City, begins the two mountain ranges and in between them is the area of Shady Valley. The two ranges are a popular motorcycle route known as "The Snake". More than 400 curves over an approximately 30 mi ride. After the second mountain range, it flattens out after the South Fork Holston River heading towards Bristol. US 421 enters Virginia on the Old Dominion side of Bristol. Major highway junctions between the NC and VA state lines are State Route 67 (SR 67) in Mountain City, SR 91 the new Mountain City bypass, SR-394, and US 11E.

Virginia
US 421 enters from Tennessee in Bristol and goes west to Weber City, Duffield, and Pennington Gap in Southwest Virginia. The route goes through the Cumberland and Powell Mountains, and goes by Natural Tunnel State Park near Duffield.

Kentucky
US 421 enters the Bluegrass State running 272.4 mi from the Pennington Gap area in Virginia into Harlan County.

For the distance between the Virginia state line and closer to Hal Rogers Parkway, it is a major north–south two-lane highway. However, its passing zones are largely limited to a stretch after the Virginia line, through Harlan and along US 119. US 421 then crosses Pine Mountain and enters Leslie County, turning west at Hyden and paralleling the Hal Rogers Parkway. Between Manchester and McKee, US 421 functions as more of a local road with many curves.

The roadway improves as it descends from the Cumberland Plateau into the Bluegrass Region at Big Hill in Madison County near Berea. It joins US 25 at the Blue Grass Army Depot south of Richmond and roughly parallels I-75 towards Lexington. Through Lexington, it is Richmond Road, Main Street and Leestown Road. The segment between Lexington and Frankfort was once designated Kentucky Route 50 (KY 50). US 62 runs briefly with US 421 in this section.

In Frankfort, US 421 runs with US 60 on the west side of town, then runs within the city's northern bypass, briefly joining US 127. US 421 then traverses the very hilly area of northwest Franklin County, around the Flag Fork community. It then runs through Henry and Trimble counties, exiting the state at Milton, crossing the Ohio River into Madison, Indiana via the Milton–Madison Bridge.

Indiana
US 421 winds through the southern part of Indiana as it runs from Madison, in the southeastern part of the state, to Indianapolis. North of Greensburg, US 421 intersects and merges with I-74 west, through the Shelbyville area en route to Indianapolis. Originally, US 421 followed Southeastern Avenue into downtown Indianapolis, where it merged with US 40 (Washington Street) to West Street, then turned north, following West Street, Northwestern Avenue (later MLK Street), and Michigan Road up to the northwest side of the city. US 421 went past the Pyramids, an Indianapolis landmark. North of Indianapolis, US 421 continues to the north-northwest, providing a direct highway link between Indianapolis and Michigan City. US 421 ends at its junction with US 20 on the south side of Michigan City. Originally, the highway's end was a few miles north at the junction with US 12 near the shores of Lake Michigan.

North Carolina
US 421 mainly followed the same route between Clinton and Wilmington. However, there are several old alignments from Clinton to the Tennessee state line.

 * US 421 bypasses Clinton, old alignment uses local streets.
 * Between Dunn and Sanford, uses an old alignment, fully connected.
 * Between Goldston and Greensboro, uses several old alignments but not fully connected.
 * Between Greensboro and Wilkesboro, uses multiple old alignments of different alignments. In *addition, they are no longer connected consistently.
 * US 421 bypasses Wilkesboro, with a special US Business route.
 * Between Deep Gap and Boone, uses a new alignment.
 * Between Vilas and the Tennessee state line, uses an old alignment.

Future
US 421 is projected to be upgraded to a freeway in Indiana from Greensburg to Versailles. US 421 freeway will go near, or pass through Napoleon and Osgood.

Major intersections

 * North Carolina
 * Parking area in Federal Point
 * in Wilmington
 * in Wilmington. The highways travel concurrently to Eagle Island.
 * on Eagle Island. US 17/US 421 travels concurrently to west of Wrightsboro. US 74/US 421 travels concurrently to southwest of Hightsville.
 * west of Wrightsboro
 * south-southeast of Clinton. The highways travel concurrently to Clinton.
 * in Spivey's Corner
 * in Dunn
 * in Dunn
 * in Lillington. The highways travel concurrently through Lillington.
 * in Sanford
 * in Siler City
 * in Greensboro. The highways travel concurrently to south-southwest of Greensboro.
 * south of Greensboro. I-73/US 421 travels concurrently to Greensboro.
 * south-southwest of Greensboro
 * in Greensboro. I-40/US 421 travels concurrently to west of Greensboro.
 * in Winston-Salem. The highways travel concurrently through Winston-Salem.
 * in Winston-Salem
 * in Winston-Salem
 * in Yadkinville
 * in Brooks Crossroads
 * west-northwest of Hamptonville
 * north-northeast of Deep Gap. The highways travel concurrently to Boone.
 * in Boone. The highways travel concurrently to north-northwest of Vilas.

 * Tennessee
 * in Bristol. The highways travel concurrently to Bristol, Virginia.

 * Virginia
 * in Bristol. US 11W/US 421 travels concurrently to the Tennessee–Virginia state line on the Bristol, Tennessee–Bristol, Virginia city line.
 * in Bristol. US 58/US 421 travels concurrently to southeast of Woodway.
 * in Weber City. The highways travel concurrently to Duffield.

 * Kentucky
 * in Baxter. The highways travel concurrently to northeast of Baxter.
 * at the Blue Grass Army Depot south-southeast of Richmond. The highways travel concurrently to Lexington.
 * in Richmond
 * south-southeast of Lexington. The highways travel concurrently to Lexington.
 * in Lexington. The highways travel concurrently through Lexington.
 * in Lexington
 * northwest of Lexington. The highways travel concurrently to Midway.
 * in Frankfort. The highways travel concurrently through Frankfort.
 * in Frankfort
 * in Frankfort. The highways travel concurrently through Frankfort.
 * west-southwest of Campbellsburg
 * in Bedford. The highways travel concurrently through Bedford.

 * Indiana
 * in Versailles. The highways travel concurrently through Versailles.
 * northwest of Greensburg. The highways travel concurrently to Indianapolis.
 * in Indianapolis. I-465/US 36/US 40/US 421 travels concurrently through Indianapolis. US 31/US 421 travels concurrently to Carmel.
 * in Indianapolis. The highways travel concurrently through Indianapolis.
 * in Indianapolis
 * in Indianapolis
 * in Monticello. The highways travel concurrently to Reynolds.
 * in Wanatah
 * south-southeast of Westville. The highways travel concurrently to Westville.
 * southeast of Otis
 * south of Michigan City
 * in Michigan City

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