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Talk:Korban

Explanation required
A little explanation in the first paragraph would be a kindness. We gather that a korban is some kind of sacrifice. Wetman 06:01, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * I did a minor rewrite of the first sentence or two for clarity. 66.108.4.183 16:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC) Nash's Companion Allen Roth

Beautiful, IZAK. This is really impressive work, and that over the period of just a day! JFW | T@lk  06:48, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I just added a number of classical rabbinic points of view on this issue, and few modern day Orthodox POVs. Izak did good work, but many of our articles on Judaism pick only one classical rabbinic POV, and present it as the only classical rabbinic POV. We had this problem in the article on the 613 mitzvot. It thus seemed to appropriate to add discussions of this topic from the Babylonian Talmud and various classical midrashim, and to mention the views of Abraham Isaac Kook. Also, I have references available on Orthodox discussions in reinstituing sacrifices in the 1800s (a project that, obviously, never materialized.) RK 14:05, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)

Majority view
I wrote in this article:
 * The majority view of classical rabbis that the Torah's commandments will still be applicable and in force during the messianic era. However, a significant minority of rabbis held that most of the commandments will be nullified in the messianic era, thus holding that sacrifices will not be reinstated. Examples of such rabbinic views include...

Upon re-reading my sources, I am no longer certain that this is or was the majority view. In fact, it is not currently a point of practical halakha, being something that can only be decided in the messianic era. Nonetheless, what do you guys think? Did/Do most religious Jews believe that many most of the sacrifices will not need to be brought in a rebuilt Temple? RK 03:01, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

 * It's a confusing topic. Initially offerings will be brought in the messianic era, but its not clear if that will continue indefinitely. Jayjg (talk)  17:00, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Christian views
Removed for talk. Is the following paragrapg appropriate for this article? IZAK 00:14, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Christians believe that Jesus was not only a messiah, but that he became a human sacrifice to atone for all of mankind's sins. Christians often cite the rebukes of the prophets against the Children of Israel. Judaism rejects this claim, believing instead that the prophets' criticisms were meant to correct the negative behavior of those Israelites who were sinning, and not as a rejection of the sacrificial system or the Jewish religion.

Sacrifices are a concept that exist in a variety of religions, but korbonot is a Hebrew term and the article describes them as used in the Jewish religion. Christian views of sacrifice would seem more appropriate to one of the articles on Christianity, just as a paragraph on the sacrifice fly is more appropriate to an article on Baseball.--Shirahadasha 02:13, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

 * In Mark 7, Jesus is recorded as criticizing the traditional teaching on Corban as being in conflict with the commandments of God. The Christian understanding of Corban might reasonably be added to the article but I would agree that more general paragraph above is not on topic for this article. Greenshed (talk) 21:52, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Cite? Ogress 06:00, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * There are many sources in the forms of commentaries. Here is one example: James R. Edwards states that "The practice of Corban resulted in egregious casuistry by annulling a moral commandment of the Torah [law] (honor of parents) by a ritual practice of the oral tradition (Corban)." The gospel According to Mark, pp. 210, 211 Greenshed (talk) 21:00, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Martyrs as Korbanot
The Martyrs as Korbanot section is currently completely unsourced and has the appearance of Original Research It currently connects a few biblical verses through a commentary that so far as can be verified seems to be of the author's own devising. There needs to be sources connecting the concept of martyrdom (including the holocaust etc.) with the system of Korbanot practicised in the Temple -- either Jewish thinkers with this view, or academic scholars who say that Jewish thinkers had this view. Currently the only source that is not a biblical verse is a commentary of Rashi's on the Akadah (sacrifice of Issac), but the idea that this view of Rashi's applies to martyrdom in general rather than solely the Issac story in particular is, so far as a neutral observer could tell from the sources supplied, completely the author's own original theory. Statements about Jewish views of the Holocaust need a post-holocaust source. Will need to be deleted unless sourced. --Shirahadasha 02:33, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Agreed. In addition, the article is woefully poor on its own terms: Where is a straightforward explanation of what a korban is? No discussion of what should be found in the very opening: An animal sacrifice, and also, the types of korbanos: Hatas, Olah, etc. (excuse my transliteration). These all should be part of the article. Also--a brief description in the context of ancient Near East history and Canaanite religion. 66.108.4.183 16:28, 18 July 2006 (UTC) Allen Roth

Deleted. --Shirahadasha 18:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Grain offerings as korbanot

 * Apparently someone is removing the portion of the text that mentions that korbanot were animals. The word korban has never, to my knowledge been used to refer to offerings of "grain, etc." as stated in the (now rewritten) article. Please cite any reference to offerings of this kind in the Tanakh or elsewhere. 66.108.4.183 20:29, 18 July 2006 (UTC) Allen Roth

Talmud Sheqalim 3b has minchah hayachid krivah kalil -- an individual Kohen's minchah (grain-offering) is offered (entirely [on the Alter]." (krivah is the verb form of the noun korban). Essentially anything offered (krivah) in the Temple -- grain offerings, wine libations, first fruits, water libation, etc. -- is a korban. To give a sense of how ubiquitous this usage is in Judaism, to this day a women's siddur is traditionally known as a "korban minchah" siddur. Artscroll sells one and calls it this. See . --Shirahadasha 00:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

 * As an FYI,.the description of the offerings of the heads of the 12 tribes at the dedication of the Temple (the Torah reading for Hannukah) specifically uses the word korban to refer, not merely to grain, but to offerings of vessels and implements. The word korban can be used for any offering to the Temple or Tabernacle for religious purposes. Lawrence Shiffman's From Text to Tradition, a History of Judaism in Second Temple and Rabbinic Times: A History of Second Temple and Rabbinic Judaism reports that in this period rich individuals and communities in the Babylonian and Greek diaspora would donate wall-hangings and furniture to the Temple with their names on it -- much as people donate to religious institutions today. These were Karbonot. Best, --Shirahadasha 23:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Korbanot article introduction dispute
User:66.108.4.1083 appears to take the view that Korbanot article introduction should refer only to an archaic "cult" by ancient "Hebrews." However, various beliefs and practices regarding korbanot continue to be an inherent part of the Orthodox Jewish religion. Most of the Talmud, the core curriculum of contemporary rabbinics, is basically about how to perform them. Legal principles derived from adjudicating their performance continue to drive Jewish law, and a great deal of theological dispute covers them. They continue to influence contemporary religion and politics. See for example the The Third Temple and Temple Mount articles, and the coverage on contemporary views and issues in this article. We can doubtless come up with compromise language, but it would be incorrect to limit scope to an ancient "Hebrew cult". Classical Judaism recognizes them as part of Judaism, and looks primarily to the Talmud, not the Bible, for a description of their scope and the procedures by which they were performed. By analogy, it would incorrect for me as a Jew to change an article on Jesus' ressurrection or some such thing to refer to an "ancient" or archaic belief, since this is a belief, while ancient, continues to have enormous contemporary influence in Christianity, and its contemporary impact similarly needs to be part of any encyclopedia article. Best Wishes, --Shirahadasha 13:22, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Too many inaccuracies and misstatements: (1) The article, in order to be accurate, ought to make it clear that korbanot primarily refers to an animal sacrifice. Technically, korban may also refer to offerings of grain, etc., but anyone conversant with the Bible and Talmud would know that the word korban, particularly to a the general reader coming here for summary capsulated knowledge, must be informed that the word denotes animal sacrifices. The article does in fact state that there were other types of offerings than animals, but it ought to make clear that the primary sacrifices in the Hebrew cultic ritual were in fact animals, as the original draft mentioned: rams, goats, sheep, birds, doves, etc. (2) Although entire Tractates of the Talmud (e.g. Hulin) deal with the laws regarding korbanot, it is downright absurd to claim that “Most of the Talmud is about how to perform them.” Most of the Talmud (Babylonian and Jerusalem/Palestinian) concern torts, contracts, marriage and divorce, and other areas of what we call today Civil Law. The core curriculum of contemporary rabbinics? Korbanot commands no more than a cursory part of any rabbinical curriculum today, whether orthodox, reform, or reconstructionist. (3) Furthermore, Judaism as such did not exist at the time of the Holy Temple(s); that is why the word “Hebrew” is used in this context. Judaism as a faith did not appear until the end of the Second Commonwealth at the earliest. Prior to that, the correct usage is “Hebrew,” “Israelite,” etc. Solomon was a Hebrew or Israelite king; he is not generally referred to as “Jewish.” But this would lead into an extended discussion of the development of the Hebrew faith from monolatry (Abraham, and the Yahwist and Elohist sources), to a mature monotheism (Early Prophets), to a universal ethical monotheism (Latter Prophets), to Rabbinic Judaism (the Mishna and Talmud). I don't have any theological ax to grind; I ask just that all the evidence--textual, archaeological, epigraphical, anthropological, historical, etc.--be examined fairly and with an open mind, without preconceptions, theological or otherwise. P.S. My mother had a korban minhah prayer book. 66.108.4.183 05:18, 31 July 2006 (UTC) Nash's Companion Allen Roth

As to your points (1) and (2), the issue may be one of definition and emphasis. For example, I think of 3 of the domestic law tractates, nedarim, nazir, and sotah, as being intimately connected to related korbanot (and so on with large sections of Moed etc.) and I also think of korbanot as including bikkurim, shekalim, etc. Similarly principles derived from analysis of korbanot have been applied throughout halakha. As to your points from (3), all represent disputes between traditional religious and contemporary academic POVs. Wikipedia policy WP:NPOV has some specific things to say about disputes between religious thinkers and contemporary academic historians and I intend to adhere to the policy. The policy requires both traditional religious and critical-scholarship perspectives to be presented without preference between them, so claims that scholarly (or religious) terminology or claims are "correct" will be edited out. A complicating factor here is that academics and religious folks each have their own set of dense jargon and technical terms for these things, but I see no choice but to introduce both in separate places. I believe the article will have to rely on attribution heavily, beginning virtually every section and sometimes individual sentences with "According to...". In my view, the scope of the subject has to be broad enough to take into account both views, and (comparatively) recent views like Abraham Isaac Kook's view that only non-animal korbanot will offered in a restored Third Temple are relevant to the contemporary religious meaning of korbanot, which may have evolved somewhat from what it might have meant at some time in the past. Nonetheless, my POV is that this is an article that needs to include contemporary religious meaning. --Shirahadasha 06:49, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

66.108.4.183, please register and obtain a userid to continue these discussions. Once you register and log in each time, you can use four tildes to sign your name. I see you are entering what appears to be a userid without actually signing in. Believe it or not, there is actually a Wikipedia policy against doing this, please avoid it. See WP:Username and WP:SIG. Best Wishes, --Shirahadasha 07:01, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Apparently I have stepped on someone's ideological toes. I doubt that I will spend any more time on what I perceive will be a losing battle on behalf of clarity and historical consensus, and against obscurantism and dogma. At this point, all I will write is that the interpretation of WK's policies offered by this contributor would apparently require the article on Darwin to state something like, "Many disagree with the views of Darwin, and believe that the world was created by a supernatural Being of one kind or another, many claimisng much more recently than 5 billion years ago, etc etc." Over 150 years after The Origin of Species, there are actually States in my country (the United States) where the teaching of scientific consensus is constrained in various ways. While I do not believe in censorship, an accomodation must be made in civil society, if it is to be an informed society, on recognition of the progress of knowledge and science. It seems that we, as an informed culture, have not progressed as much as we would like to think, since the Roman Church went after Galileo for having the temerity to suggest that the Earth moved, and that there were 'imperfections' on the surface of the Sun.  Apparently, even the use of the word 'cult' to describe the sacrificing of animals for religious purposes is deemed to be objectionable to some. What more can one say? 66.108.4.183 16:51, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

For better or for worse, Wikipedia has chosen a philosophy of presenting all major points of view and declining to adapt a specific one for narration purposes. For an example on handling the Evolution-Creationism debate, see e.g. Neutral_point_of_view/FAQ. Wikipedia takes the view that people can an informed choice between perspectives themselves. In our case, the topic of the article, korbanot, is about a form of religious ritual whose practice is a tenet of a significant living religion. For this reason, religious perspectives are significantly more relevant and deserve greater weight than in the example I cited. You're more than welcome to add a section with modern critical-scholarship views etc. However, the introduction should consist of consensus material, facts which don't convey a particular POV. And it's perfectly possible to do this in the case of Korbanot, since a large body of important and informative facts are essentially non-controversial and common to all perspectives. In addition, the narrative parts need to have Fairness of tone, including a "sensitive" tone, which means words that a general audience might readily perceive as derogatory shouldn't be used. In the leading American legal case on the subject of animal sacrifices (Church of the Lukumi Babalu Aye v. City of Hialeah (91-948), 508 U.S. 520 (1993)) the Supreme Court never once used the word "cult", and I think with good reason. I believe the terminology they did use provides good guidance for how to neutrally and sensitively refer to these types of rituals. Another alternative is to use (and define) transliterated Hebrew words. Similarly, the Y-word is problematic to a religious audience. You're welcome to introduce it in the critical-perspectives section. The most sensitive way to handle the situation might be to have its use come in through quotes, which would provide whatever information is appropriate in a way that makes clear the POV isn't Wikipedia's. I'm not wedded to the term "Jew" myself. I think a compromise is possible which would provide a sensitive and neutral but accurate and informative introduction. Best wishes, --Shirahadasha 02:30, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Rashi's View on World To Come
I have removed the statement that

"*Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Avodah Zarah 3a, 4b, states that today we should observe the commandments, while Rashi comments that this is so because we will not observe them in the world to come."

as a support to the view that there would be no more commandments or karbanos in the messianic era. An incorrect assumption is made that Rashi believes that "the world to come" or "Olam habah" is the same as the Messianic era. On the contrary, unlike the Rambam (Maimonidies), Rashi considers Olam Habah to be when a person dies and is without his body, therefore unable to perform commandments. LemonLion 01:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)LemonLion

Human Sacrifice section
Removed following material to Talk page pending review of sources and discussion. This appears to present the views of a single individual, Richard Elliot Friedman, cites biblical passages as sources, and claims that a 1915 German article is believed by the "majority of scholars" without citing a source or informing what the criteria for entering the denominator may be. Most of the material also appears to be irrelevant. This is an article on Judaism, not an article on the Hebrew Bible. Material on non-Jewish practices that are argued to have references or allusions somewhere in someone's interpretation of the Hebrew Bible, together with disputes about those references, appears to be inconsistent with the article's scope. --Shirahadasha 20:59, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

 * After realizing that this section has been lifted largely verbatim from the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia with supplements from Peake's Commentary on the Bible and Richard Elliott Friedman, agree this section is adequately sourced and should go back in. However, it should be carefully presented as a POV rather than fact. The 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia in particular was run by a group of folks from the classical Reform movement who were particularly keen to distance themselves from and portray traditional religious practices in a way no longer done in the Reform movement and which is almost embarassing from the point of view of our contemporary society, which has generally softened its attitude to traditional peoples and their customs in the last century from what we today might regard as highly ethnocentric, even imperialist attitudes. It should be noted that a number of traditional Jewish commentators, particularly Nachmanides, had the idea that human sacrifice existed prior to its abolition by the Torah and that Jews backslid into it, and that this is part of the sins for which, in the classical tradition, Jews were warned by the prophets and then punished with calamiites including the end of the Kingdom of Israel, the exile of the Ten lost tribes, the destruction of Solomon's Temple, and the Babylonian Captivity. --Shirahadasha 23:22, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Human sacrifice
- Though there is no mitzvah commanding it, and several times it is explicitly prohibited, traces of human sacrifices abound in the Biblical records. The command to Abraham concerning what is now termed the near sacrifice of Isaac, and the subsequent development of the story, indicate that the substitution of animal for human victims was traced to patriarchal example. According to textual scholars, in the original form of the narrative, Isaac was sacrificed; later mentions of Isaac are attributed to a different source (and many such mentions duplicate some of the narratives about Jacob and about Abraham), and scholars attribute the substitution of an animal to the later redactor. -   - The first born naturally belonged to the deity; although a mitzvah orders that first born male humans be ransomed, this mitzvah has a late date, and it is clear that originally the first born would have been immolated. In the Law the very intensity of the protest against passing the children through the fire to Moloch reveals the extent of the practise in Israel. Jeremiah bitterly laments the disgrace, Ezekiel presents it as a frequent occurence , a Psalm confesses the sacrifice of children to demons , and Deutero-Isaiah alludes to the continued presence of such iniquity. Several modern scholars believe that rather than a Canaanite deity, Moloch was a term describing the sacrifice itself, and that sacrifices to Moloch could really be molk sacrifices to Yahweh. -   - The fate of Jephthah's daughter presents the clearest instance of such immolations, and the sacrifice of a son is specifically recorded by the bible in the cases of Mesha , Ahaz , and Manasseh of Judah. Less explicit, but still indicative of human sacrifice, is the case of the sons of Saul offered by David to the men of Gibeon, and of the ban to which enemy towns were often put

Talk:Korban/Comments
Someone added Talk:Korban/Comments on 20 December 2006. Thanks, IZAK 11:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Bahasa Melayu and Islam
To the best of my knowledge, the majority of the Muslims in South East Asia use the word korban to mean sacrifice. The important muslim holiday Eid ul-Adha is sometimes called Hari Korban in Malaysia and means Sacrifice Day. Can we find some way to make this factoid relevant to the article? Perhaps some mention in the introduction to the article where the term korban gets used in other languages and religious traditions? Ryan Albrey (talk) 08:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

 * If there's a reliable source that the words are etymologically related, I don't think it would be unreasonable to add an "In Islam" section. However, the intention of the article is to stick to matters directly involving korban used in the Hebrew Bible rather than "sacrifice" in some more general sense. Best, --Shirahadasha 04:16, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

 * The Malay word korban derives from the Arabic, which in turn is similar in meaning with the Hebrew. Malay and modern Arabic colloquil usage may not match Quranic meaning. For example, Malay, modern Hebrew and modern Arabic use the word for korban to also mean victim (of a car crash). However, this section is specific to the Jewish Bible levitical source, not the sources from Islamic scriptures or the Christian Testament. Hence Jewish Anderstein (talk) 06:13, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Word related to Quran
Editors here should double-check the writings of Christoph Luxenberg (cf The Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran) to see if the word Korban is not in fact related to the word Quran. The qurbana is also said to be linked to korban. ADM (talk) 00:48, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Need to list korbanoth
Within the body of the article, many korbanoth are mentioned but not in a coherent fashion. I think we need a list / table to offer some details near the beginning (maybe in another sub-section of Background?) I'll try to step up to the plate another time - if I remember. But maybe someone else could do so sooner? --Eliyahu S Talk 09:05, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

 * There is still a need for a list / table in this article to offer a comprehensive background to korbanot in Judaism. As User:Eliyahu S pointed out in 2010 183x2hope (talk) 09:56, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

 * Thanks for tickling me on this, 183x2hope; I'd completely forgotten in the intervening decade. :-) Now it's back on my radar, but admittedly not high on my priority list. I'd like to review the issue, because I'm wondering if it mightn't be simpler to create a List of Korbanoth page that we could reference in the lede, and perhaps tie that in with a CAT. The kind of table that I'd like to see would be an ambitious undertaking.  If you're up for discussing the concept (or anyone else), maybe we should start a new section here on Talk about Table or List page or something similar, instead of this 10-y/o thread. --Eliyahu S Talk 05:52, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Catriel Sugarman
..Women made offerings in the Court of the Women accessed by the Women's Gate, on the North Side of the Temple, and offered them in the same place that men offered them. Women who were not offering Korbanot were required to remain within the Ezrat Nashim (women's courtyard). http://www.ou.org/torah/tt/5764/vayeitzei64/mikdash.htm accessdate =2006-08-17 Is there a better source for this? In ictu oculi (talk) 08:47, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

WP:naming conventions (use English)
Unfortunately, WP:RS discussing Ancient Israel do not use korban but "offering": 100x. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:45, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * israel OR leviticus OR levites OR moses "offering" 247,000
 * israel OR leviticus OR levites OR moses "offering" 2,900

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The Wapshot Chronicle is the sometimes-humorous story of Leander Wapshot, his eccentric Cousin Honora, and his sons, Moses and Coverly, as they all deal with life. The story is somewhat autobiographical, particularly regarding the character of Coverly, who, like Cheever, experiences feelings of bisexuality.

The novel was Cheever's first, though he had previously written short stories. It was also the first novel selected for the Book of the Month Club to include the word fuck in the narrative.

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Talk:Vienna Arbitrations

German data Award 1938
Die Fläche dieser Gebiete betrug 11.927 km² (10.390 davon in der heutigen Slowakei, der Rest in der Karpato-Ukraine) mit über 1 Million Einwohner. In den abgetrennten slowakischen Gebieten lebten nach tschechoslowakischen Zählungen aus der Zeit vor dem Schiedsspruch 852.332 Einwohner:

506.208 (59%) Ungarn, aber auch 290.107 (34%) Slowaken, 26.227 (3,07%) Juden, 13.184 (1,5%) Deutsche, 1892 (0,2%) Ruthenen und 14.714 (1,7%) andere Nationalitäten.

What is this? Juro 01:05, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Other statistics. --Vasile 01:09, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Other? There is no statistics in the article. Juro 01:38, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * There is another British statistics (in history of the article). --Vasile 02:35, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The English in the article right now is kind of a mess. Are you guys still working on translation (in which case it would be nice to post a note at the top to that effect) or are you "finished", in which case I'll take a shot at cleaning it up. -- Jmabel 17:28, Aug 8, 2004 (UTC)
 * You don't need my permission to edit this article.--Vasile 21:29, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * I know that, but I'd rather not copy edit an article while it's in flux. Juro, let me know when you feel you've done what you can by way of translation, then I'll work on cleanup. -- Jmabel 21:31, Aug 8, 2004 (UTC)
 * I think the article needs a map and I don't have one yet. Neither German wikipedia article didn't get one. If you think there are still English problems in this article, please notify me quickly as you can. I will be more careful with English. --Vasile 22:31, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The present version needs many changes in many respects. I, a Hungarian collegue and some other Wikipedians have written a very good article on the first Vienna Award in the German Wikipedia (from which there is the above extract). So later on, or if necessary, during the next days, I will translate it and integrate info from the present version, which is missing, into the German article. So you can clean it up or tell me now to make the changes and clean up the result. Please answer immediately. Juro 20:14, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * You insisted so much in created ONLY the article "Vienna Awards". I see you changed your mind. Your very good article's translation would be usefull, of course. --Vasile 22:06, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * I did not change my mind. But I am one of the older Wikipedians and I see that you are one of those that would redirect the article over and over again, although Vienna Arbitration is not the usual English name. So I will concentrate on the text and hope that someone else will redirect it one day...Juro 02:04, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * With the due respect to your wikipedian age, you see nothing on me. Please, if you want to, let's discuss about the content of the article, not about my humble person. --Vasile 04:11, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * I'm with Vasile on this. I've seen both of you do a lot of good work in a lot of articles. There is no call for ad hominem carping. Let's work on the content of the article. Again, let me know when it's basically together and due for an edit by a native English speaker. -- Jmabel 04:26, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC)

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Pionerskaya Pravda

Pionerskaya Pravda (Пионе́рская Пра́вда) is an all-Russian newspaper. Initially it was an all-Union newspaper of the Soviet Union. Its name may be translated as "Truth for Young Pioneers".

History
The newspaper was founded March 6, 1925 in Moscow and published under the name School Pravda and later under Pioneer Truth. Nikolai Bukharin was the first editor of the newspaper. Different poets and artists, like Mikhail Zoshchenko, Ilya Ilf, Evgeny Petrov and Vladimir Mayakovsky, cooperated with the newspaper. On March 6, 1927, the newspaper became part of the Central and Moscow Committees of the All-Union Young Communist League. From 1958, it formed part of the Central Committee of the All-Union Young Communist League and the Central Council of the All-Union Pioneers' Organization. From February 4, 1928 a newspaper was published twice a week, and since October 3, 1928 it has been published three times a week.

The newspaper became a weekly printed body of the Moscow RKSM Committee. In the 1970s and 1980s its circulation approached 10,000,000 (almost every child in the Soviet Union had a subscription). Its title followed the name of the main Soviet newspaper of the time, Pravda, as did multiple other newspapers. In 1991, following the collapse of the USSR, the newspaper was reorganized and became a national newspaper for children and adolescents.

The newspaper continues to exist, but now it is not associated with Young Pioneers, and the circulation is greatly reduced.

Chief editors

 * М. Stremyakov (1925-1926)
 * В. Lyadova (1927-1930)
 * Н. Lyalin (1931)
 * Г. Soldiers (1932-1933)
 * А. Stroyev (1933)
 * А. Gusev (1934-1935)
 * А. Stroyev (1935-1938)
 * Н. Danilov (1938-1940)
 * И. Andreev (1940-1945)
 * В. Gubarev (1945-1947)
 * В. Semyonov (1947-1949)
 * З. Tumanova (1949-1952)
 * С. Potemkin (1952-1953)
 * Т. Matveeva (1953-1961)
 * Н. Chernova (1961-1982)
 * О. I. Grekova (1983-2006)
 * М. Barannikov (since 2006)

Awards and recognitions
In 1995 Pionerskaya Pravda was awarded the Red Banner of Labor, in 1950 the Order of Lenin and in 1985 the Order of Friendship of Peoples.

Other Pioneer Newspapers
Similar newspapers were published in other languages of the USSR: as of 1974, six newspapers in Russian and 22 in other languages.

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Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/August 12

Tyrannosaurus
Is a fossil discovery noteworthy? Is there something special about this fossil? RickK 06:10, Aug 5, 2004 (UTC)
 * That's the most complete skeleton of a Tyrannosaurus rex ever found. Is this significant enough to be included on the MainPage ? I'd say it's a weak case. -- PFHLai 18:57, 2005 August 9 (UTC)
 * The History Channel currently seems to think it's noteworthy that it is the current lead story on its "This Day in History" page for Aug 12. I just re-added it here to replace another item that needs cleanup – the only two reasons I picked that one first is because of The History Channel page, and an excuse to bold and feature the current FA Tyrannosaurus. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 06:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

2012 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 03:07, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Moved to Ineligible: Lakshman Kadirgamar (maintenance)
 * Omitted: Treaty of Nöteborg; King Philip's War; Night of the Murdered Poets; Battle of the Bogside; IBM Personal Computer
 * Included: Cleopatra VII (first appearance); Battle of Didgori (first appearance; rescued from Ineligible); Deimos (moon) (5th appearance, last in 2010); Wola massacre (first appearance); Bloody Gulch massacre (first appearance); Sue (dinosaur) (2nd appearance, last in 2010)

2013 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 10:31, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Omitted: Cleopatra; Battle of Didgori; Deimos (moon); Wola massacre; Bloody Gulch massacre; Sue (dinosaur)
 * Included: King Philip's War (6th appearance, last in 2011); Quagga (2nd appearance, last in 2009; rescued from Ineligible); Night of the Murdered Poets (2nd appearance, last in 2011); Battle of the Bogside (2nd appearance, last in 2011); Russian submarine Kursk explosion (3rd appearance, last in 2010)

2014 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 06:25, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Japan Airlines Flight 123
 * Omitted: King Philip's War; Quagga (ineligible—TFA for 2014); Night of the Murdered Poets; Battle of the Bogside; Kursk submarine disaster
 * Included: Treaty of Nöteborg (2nd appearance, last in 2011); Battle of Didgori (2nd appearance, last in 2012); Deimos (moon) (6th appearance, last in 2012); Wola massacre (2nd appearance, last in 2012); IBM Personal Computer (%th appearance, last in 2011)

2015 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 08:49, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Omitted: Battle of Didgori; Treaty of Nöteborg; Deimos (moon); Wola massacre; IBM Personal Computer
 * Included: Sirikit (rescued from Ineligible); Cleopatra (2nd appearance, last in 2012); King Philip's War (7th appearance, last in 2013); Quagga (3rd appearance, last in 2013); Japan Airlines Flight 123 (4th appearance, last in 2008; 30th anniversary); Sue (dinosaur) (3rd appearance, last in 2012)

2016 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 07:36, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Omitted: King Philip's War (ineligible—maintenance); Quagga; Japan Airlines Flight 123; Sue (dinosaur)
 * Included: Treaty of Nöteborg (3rd appearance, last in 2014); Deimos (moon) (7th appearance, last in 2014); Joe 4 (first appearance; rescued from Ineligible); IBM Personal Computer (6th appearance, last in 2014)
 * Repeats: Cleopatra (2nd consecutive appearance, 3 total)

2017 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 02:42, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Moved to Ineligible: Battle of Didgori (maintenance); Night of the Murdered Poets (maintenance)
 * New articles (unused): Abraham Zacuto; Robert Southey; Robert Stewart, Viscount Castlereagh; William Blake
 * Omitted: Cleopatra; Treaty of Nöteborg (ineligible—maintenance); Joe 4 (ineligible—maintenance)
 * Included: Quagga (4th appearance, last in 2015); Battle of Halen (first appearance); Kursk submarine disaster (4th appearance, last in 2013); Guy de Beauchamp, 10th Earl of Warwick (first appearance); Helena Blavatsky (first appearance); Charles Blackman (first appearance)
 * Repeats: Deimos (moon) (2nd consecutive appearance, 8 total); IBM Personal Computer (2nd consecutive appearance, 7 total)

2018 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 03:44, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Moved to Ineligible: Robert Southey (maintenance); William Blake (maintenance)
 * Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Joe 4
 * Omitted: Deimos (moon); IBM Personal Computer; Kursk submarine disaster; Guy de Beauchamp, 10th Earl of Warwick; Helena Blavatsky; Charles Blackman (ineligible—maintenance)
 * Included: Battle of Ascalon (6th appearance, last in 2009; rescued from Ineligible); Babrra massacre (first appearance; 70th anniversary); Sue (dinosaur) (4th appearance, last in 2015); Abraham Zacuto (first appearance); Robert Stewart, Viscount Castlereagh (2nd appearance, last in 2017; previously appeared on June 18, his birthday); George Soros (first appearance)
 * Repeats: Quagga (2nd consecutive appearance, 5 total); Battle of Halen (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total)

2019 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 22:42, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Moved to Ineligible: Wola massacre (maintenance)
 * New articles (unused): Cecil B. DeMille
 * Omitted: Quagga; Babrra massacre; Sue (dinosaur); Robert Stewart, Viscount Castlereagh; George Soros
 * Included: Smyth Report (first appearance); IBM Personal Computer (8th appearance, last in 2017); Jænberht (first appearance); Maurice Fernandes (first appearance)
 * Repeats: Battle of Ascalon (2nd consecutive appearance, 7 total); Battle of Halen (3rd consecutive appearance, 3 total); Abraham Zacuto (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total)

2020 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 06:39, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Moved to Ineligible: Deimos (moon) (maintenance); Bloody Gulch massacre (maintenance); Joe 4 (maintenance); Kursk submarine disaster (maintenance)
 * New articles (unused): Thomas F. Mulledy
 * Omitted: Battle of Ascalon; IBM Personal Computer (ineligible—maintenance); Jænberht; Abraham Zacuto; Maurice Fernandes
 * Included: Quagga (6th appearance, last in 2018); 1969 Northern Ireland riots (first appearance; blurb previously featured Battle of the Bogside which remains ineligible and is making its 3rd appearance, last in 2013); Sue (dinosaur) (5th appearance, last in 2018; 25th anniversary); Cecil B. DeMille (2nd appearance, last in 2020; also appeared on January 21, his death anniversary); Percy Mayfield (first appearance; 100th birthday); Mario Balotelli (first appearance; 30th birthday)
 * Repeats: Battle of Halen (4th consecutive appearance, 4 total); Smyth Report (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total; 75th anniversary)

2021 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 07:47, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * New articles (ineligible): Russo-Georgian War (maintenance; moved from August 7)
 * New articles (unused): Evaline Ness
 * Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Night of the Murdered Poets
 * Omitted: Battle of Halen; Smyth Report; 1969 Northern Ireland riots; Helena Blavatsky; Percy Mayfield; Mario Balotelli
 * Included: Battle of Ascalon (8th appearance, last in 2019); Sant'Anna di Stazzema massacre (first appearance); Japan Airlines Flight 123 (5th appearance, last in 2015); Archduchess Isabella Clara of Austria (first appearance); Thomas F. Mulledy (first appearance); Ladi Kwali (first appearance)
 * Repeats: Quagga (2nd consecutive appearance, 7 total); Sue (dinosaur) (2nd consecutive appearance, 6 total)

2022 notes
— howcheng  {chat} 17:49, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Moved to Ineligible: Babrra massacre (maintenance); George Soros (maintenance)
 * Omitted: Sant'Anna di Stazzema massacre; Japan Airlines Flight 123; Sue (dinosaur); Thomas F. Mulledy; Ladi Kwali
 * Included: Smyth Report (3rd appearance, last in 2020); Kursk submarine disaster (5th appearance, last in 2017; rescued from Ineligible); Beer in North Korea (first appearance); Guy de Beauchamp, 10th Earl of Warwick (2nd appearance, last in 2017); Maurice Fernandes (2nd appearance, last in 2019; 125th birthday)
 * Repeats: Battle of Ascalon (2nd consecutive appearance, 9 total); Quagga (3rd consecutive appearance, 8 total); Archduchess Isabella Clara of Austria (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total)

2023 rationale
 Heart  (talk) 13:05, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * 1099 is included due to wanting to have at least one not from the 20th century
 * Avoided Fort Andross as the article was featured on June 16
 * Avoided quagga since it would have been the 4th consecutive time it has appeared, despite it being it's 90th anniversary
 * Avoided the 1914 and 1944 entry as to avoid having a war heavy day since I included the 1099 entry on the Battle of Ascalon

 * Hi HeartGlow30797. Thanks again for working in this area.  Couple of comments - Dumelow (talk) 10:09, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Abraham Zacuto is undercited in general and I couldn't see a citation for the birth date?
 * For 2023 we have started featuring four borths/deaths a day, so another should be added. I am trying to improve our coverage of non-American and non-European figures so would be good if one of these is eligible - Dumelow (talk) 10:09, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notes on this one! I have removed Abraham Zacuto. In my off time, I have been trying to find new articles in general to feature here.  Heart  (talk) 01:32, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Dumelow, I have completed them. Thanks so much for the feedback as it helps me improve!  Heart  (talk) 01:37, 6 August 2023 (UTC)


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Ong Iok-tek

Ong Iok-tek (王育德, Taiwanese: Ông Io̍k-tek; ; 30 January 1924–9 September 1985) was a Taiwanese scholar and early leader of the Taiwan independence movement. He is considered to be an authority on the Min Nan language family and the Taiwanese language.

He was born in Tainan Prefecture (modern-day Tainan), during Japanese rule, of a prominent family. He attended Tokyo Imperial University in 1943 but the ongoing World War II compelled him to return to Taiwan after a year. Following the war and handover of Taiwan he took a critical attitude toward the Kuomintang, one accentuated by the killing of his brother, Wang Yu-lin, a Tokyo-educated prosecutor, in the February 28 Incident. His own life threatened by the new regime, he fled to Japan in 1949 and spent the rest of his life there in addition to various other places.

He resumed his studies in May 1950, and after completing his Ph.D. in 1969 at the University of Tokyo, he later taught Taiwanese at Meiji University in 1974.

He also played a leading role in garnering support for the Taiwan independence movement within Japan. As a student he had joined Thomas Liao's Republic of Taiwan Provisional Government but became dissatisfied with it after two years. He established the Taiwan Youth Association in 1960 and published the organization's influential monthly Taiwan Seinen in Japanese (later for a time in Chinese) and Formosan Quarterly in English. The Taiwan Youth Association later changed its name to the Taiwan Youth Independence League. In the 1970s he was a leader in the campaign to secure compensation for the 200,000 Taiwanese who had served as soldiers under the Imperial Japanese military. In 1982 he served as a committee member of the Formosan Association for Public Affairs.

Ong argued that Han people were a folk, and not a nation, and that Hakka and Hoklos are smaller folks within the Han. Ong further argued that after Japan modernized Taiwan, the Taiwanese nation was established with Taiwan being pre-national as the Japanese ruled it, and that modern capitalism creates a nation. Ong argued that Taiwanese people can become a nation within the state container if Taiwan becomes an independent state. Shaojin Chai, author of Taiwanese Nationalism: Situation Dependency and Elite Games, said that Ong's view of a nation is that it is "the modern construction of state" and that his concept "responded to the modernity of nationalism". Chai added that "Ong's Taiwanese nationalism theory indicates that nationalism precedes nation, and without a state, there could be no nation." Chai added that Ong and Thomas Liao were both perceived as Mainlanders in Taiwan and Chinese people in Mainland China, and hence were viewed as oppressors of Taiwanese people and non-Taiwanese. Chai explained that Ong placed emphasis on the "political construction" while Liao placed emphasis on "primordial criteria".

In regards to reception to Ong's ideas, Chai said that Taiwanese people at the time of Ong's active period did believe they were a folk of Han people, even though they did have a strong provincial identity. Chai added that "Ong's argument was especially convincing to Holos [sic], but it is problematic when applied to indigenous peoples. Following his rationale, the different indigenous tribes also have to [sic] right to build their state to form their own nations."

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Niya

Niya may refer to:
 * Niya (Sanskrit, Hindu mythology) - another name for Lord Hanuman, a desire for something bigger, purpose, bright, sweet nectar.
 * Niya (mythology), a Polish deity of the underworld
 * Niya County or Minfeng County, Hotan Prefecture, Xinjiang, China
 * Niya Town, the seat of Niya/Minfeng County in Hotan Prefecture, Xinjiang, China
 * Niya ruins, an archaeological site in Minfeng County, Xinjiang, China
 * Niya Kingdom, a kingdom in Mesopotamia

People with the surname

 * Yab Niya (born 1994), Indian cricketer

People with the given name

 * Niya Butts (born 1978), American women’s college basketball coach

Music

 * Niya – 2020 song by Manal
 * Niya – 2023 song by Nahir and ElGrandeToto
 * Niya – 2023 song by Tagne and Fares Lünn

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Talk:Get Smart

Additional catchphrase/inspired Hong Kong Phooey?
The catchphrase list should include (after each defeat of the weekly supervillain) - "If only he'd used his powers for good instead of evil."

And the TV series partially inspired the cartoon series Hong Phooey? (A fool who somehow thwarted supervillians). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.210.174 (talk) 15:35, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Suggestion
It would be great to have a "list of Episodes of Get Smart" page if someone had the information and the time to write it. Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.1.4.234 (talk) 20:47, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

description
In the opening narration of the pilot Control is described as a counter-intelliegnce agency, sort of like CTU in 24. Should that be noted in the description of the agency? Many episodes involve preventing secret information from being revealed, shadowing foreign agents, etc. (Dgabbard 21:22, 4 September 2007 (UTC))

Opening sequence
Is it my imagination, or is the "walking through doorways" sequence a reference to the famous opening sequence of "dead on arrival"?

Location?
Can anyone tell me where the opening sequence was shot? The outdoor scene, I mean, with the car sliding along the (Californian, I presume) street, and pulling up to the office-building whose steps Smart ascends.

You certainly mean the second opening sequence. The first opening sequence was shot in studio with a red car. The second opening sequence was shot with a blue car. The actor had to run in order to fit the same timing as the first opening sequence.

link?
The George Ives the article links to is a long-dead British soldier... is this the right person? -FZ 21:54, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Guest appearances
why is there a proper wiki list, followed by a messy comma-separated list?

at the least, the second list should be made a wiki list. but is there a reason that it's separate from the first list? — boredzo (talk) 10:03, 2005 Jun 26 (UTC)

Turns our Johnny Carson was credited for his cameos, so I created a separate list of guest stars (Dgabbard 16:43, 13 September 2007 (UTC))

See Also: The Prisoner?
I’ve added The Prisoner to the See Also section. Most of the series listed there are “witty secret agent shows”, so at first blush The Prisoner doesn't really fit in. But I do think that it’s worth mentioning as a contrasting treatment of the secret agent theme (as earnest as Smart is jokey), and it’s a contemporary of Get Smart, but I’m really adding it because there’s an eerie similarity in the two shows’ title sequences. Title character arrives in a convertible, marches down a corridor with an emphasis on doors … I can’t be the only one who’s noticed. —Smiteri 00:38, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Of course, the Prisoner was produced two years into Get Smart's run, so it is interesting if the British show copied the American one. Of course, the Prisoner was somewhat campy (perhaps unintentionally) as well, so not sure that I'd describe it as "earnest" as Smart was "jokey." Jmdeur (talk) 20:23, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Larrabee's Agent Number?

 * In one episode Max Smart claims that if anything happens to him, Larrabee takes over by seniorty-Control Agent # 87?? Yet in one episode In which COntrol Agents -posing as marathon runners-where they wear their agent Numbers {Chief is # 1}, Larrabee's Number is NOT 87!!

 * This theory doesn't work. Does he say 87? or just seniority?  First off the Chief doesn't have an official number, when Max is promoted (same episode) over the Chief, Chief is given his old "number"  'Q'.  "That was before we switched to using numbers".  There's many numbers below Max, and above (99, and 13 are two obvious ones..) --Kinglink 06:53, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

 * So, what number was Larrabee wearing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bizzybody (talk • contribs) 11:01, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The line about Larrabbe moving up is mentioned only once, in a late season five ep. ('How Green Was My Valet', I believe). This was a one off joke, not quite an important story idea permeating the entire premise of the series. The Chief, on many occasions, said words to the effect "you are such a goof off Max, if it wasn't for the fact you are like a son to me I would have fired you years ago." In the episode with the numbered runner's t-shirts, Chief wears number 1 and Larrabbe number 13. Through the series there are many very low agent numbers (agent 13 -the season 2 agent always in tight places -an obvious one). Though one episode featured two high numbered rookie agents, they really do not form a pattern overall. Format (talk) 18:32, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Who was this villain?

 * I remember one episode where he was in his aportment when suddenly a man came in wheeling a wheel chair. Shortly afterwards another man came running in and sat down it it. Mas explaimed "I thought you couldn't walk?"; to which the guy said "I can't, but I can run". Anyone remember who this guy was? chris66 2:12, 26 July 2006

 * IT was the Leadside epsiode-a parody of Ironside!

Quotations

 * I don't remember taking the phrase "Good thinking, 99" as being condescending, as described here. I thought it was mostly/always used with Max expressing sincere gratitude. 128.250.204.118 06:28, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Sincere, but misplaced, as it's usually the result of 99 stating something obvious that Max has missed, and Max trying to make the "discovery" sound greater than it really is (after all, a top agent like Max would never miss sonething obvious, right? ;)  ) .  -- EmiOfBrie 02:20, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

In real life, saying "Craw" instead of "Claw" would more likely be done with a Japanese accent than Chinese. Japanese has the "R" sound but lacks "L"; Chinese has the "L" but lacks "R". SlowJog 04:40, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Wasn't he a self-proclaimed "master of disguise", able to impersonate the other accent "rike dat"? (I recall he was undercover in a laundry at the time.) —DIV (128.250.80.15 (talk) 07:14, 11 October 2008 (UTC))
 * Mandarin Chinese has both R and L sounds; for example "ren" (person) and "liang" (two). However the R is retroflex and isn't pronounced much like English R. Also Chinese has no consonant clusters, making a word like "claw" difficult for Chinese speakers to pronounce. Mnudelman (talk) 17:37, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Fox series
I think the Fox remake should be separated out of the main artile. Here the opening para includes the Fox episodes as if they are part of the main series, adding them to the overall apisode count. Since they were made 25 years after the original ended, it can hardly be classed as the same series. Even The Avengers and The New Avengers have separate articles even with less-than ten years gap between them. Asa01 19:23, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Claim regarding four networks

 * With the revival airing on Fox, this makes makes Get Smart the only television franchise to air new episodes on four different American television networks.

Aside from the redundant "makes," the above is incorrect. Given the fact that the ABC movie Get Smart, Again! is counted as an episode, The Brady Bunch also qualifies:

ABC: The Brady Bunch/The Brady Kids/The Brady Bunch Variety Hour

NBC: The Brady Girls Get Married/The Brady Brides

CBS: A Very Brady Christmas/The Bradys

FOX: The Brady Bunch in the White House

Of course, the Fox movie is disconnected from the earlier productions in cast and tone, but it is an original entry to the Brady Bunch television franchise. I've reworded the text accordingly. —David Levy 14:08, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Hmm, I wasn't aware there was a Brady movie on Fox... Cool, though.  -EmiOfBrie 23:13, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup needed
I noticed today that this article is rife with run-on sentences, fragmented sentences, misplaced quote marks, missing punctuation, and other problems. The phrasing here and there could also be clearer and briefer. Please help. Zephyrad 16:16, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Mel Brooks
Wow, I always loved this show. When I came here and saw it was co-created by Mel Brooks I was overcome by an amazing fealing of Of course!. I guess what I am saying is that yet again I have learned something new from wikipedia that made me think differently about the subject I was looking up. Good article, keep up the good work. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 04:20, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

i love get smart
i loved this tv series.I am 22 years old and i don't remember much bout get smart but i remember that the family always got together to watch get smart on tv and i remember he had a phone & 2 pills in his shoes. I would really really like to have Get Smart on DVD! can you help me??? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Poppydoll20 (talk • contribs) 00:06, 30 December 2006 (UTC).

Get Smart Goofs and 99's name

 * On the multi-episode "Ship of Spies" 99 has to rescue Smart twice because Smart can't swim. Yet later when Smart and 99 penetrate the underwater lair of "Dr. Yes" both are swimming underwater!
 * Supposedly "CONTROL" Is a secret spy organisation -yet in the title card of the CBS Version-the name of the building Smart goes into is the "HALL OF JUSTICE"!!
 * True in the episode where 99 real name seems to be "Susan Hilton" she only says that her name isn't "Susan" which means the following are possible:
 * Her name is 99 Hilton!
 * Her name is Susan Hilton but she's lying to Smart-after all she's a professional spy!
 * Her name is really "Susan '99' Hilton"-and that the writers added this little tease to confuse and confound zealous watchers of the show with the unspoken question: What is 99's real name? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.53.145.37 (talk) 18:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC).

Yes, despite citation 4, the character 99 definitely said her name was Susan in the episode where she and Smart marry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.13.168.200 (talk) 04:44, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

In episode 19 season 3 when she gets engaged to Viktor Royal he greets her with the words "Susan, my darling" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vhilden (talk • contribs) 23:48, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

More Goofs
IN the episode with guest star Don Rickles Smart claims he was in the Army in Korea-yet in another episode when KAOS forges orders in which Smart and the "chief" are called back into service-they go into the US NAvy! {Smart as an Officer and the "Chief" as a common seaman named John Doe! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.53.145.128 (talk) 02:48, 11 April 2007 (UTC).
 * How is that a goof? They had previously served in the Army.  Later, as 'cover' for their work in CONTROL, they were signed up to the Coastguard, and that purportedly made them eligible to be called up to serve in the Navy (at least, this is what Max and the Chief conclude).
 * —DIV (120.17.126.106 (talk) 11:17, 6 May 2017 (UTC))

Memorable Satire

 * One early episode with John Hoyt as KAOS spymaster "Mr Bunny"-a spoof of Ernest Blofield and his white cat!-Smart and 99 are out of ammo-and trapped in a toy Department by Kaos Agents. Smart and 99 fire "American Toys"-including a "Destruco" rocket at the Kaos Agents who are put hors de combat. Smart: "Poor Devils...they never had a chance all they had were real guns and real bullets!".

References in popular culture
A fairly recent episode of CSI featured some sort of guest team and began the episode with a "Get Smart" reference to the shoe phone. Sorry, I don't have the details. Luis Dantas 06:16, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Trivia section error
Trivia error...

Don Adams didn't appear in every single episode... there was one episode featuring a random CIA officer and 99 in Alaska..

 * You know, whoever you are, I think you're right. I think it was Adams's friend Bill Dana filling in. Could be this episode. Awbeal 12:18, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

That episode was called "Ice Station Siegfried", and Don actually did appear in it, but only briefly. Near the beginning of the episode Max and the Chief were stuck in Miami beach because of a snowstorm; Max had one line in the scene (his only line in the episode). NIST91 01:49, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

NIST91 is correct. Max did appear exactly as described. The reason he was missing from most of that episode is that he'd had major dental work done. —DIV (120.17.126.106 (talk) 11:19, 6 May 2017 (UTC))

"Kaos Mr. Big" paragraph
"The black-and-white pilot is the only time the KAOS Boss, also known as "Mr. Big," is seen, played by Michael Dunn (although others played the head of KAOS in other episodes)."

I don't understand why it's pointed out this way. How should he reappear, he died in that first episode, blew up with his ship at the end, "well, that's the end of Mr. Big", Max says. -- Externperson 02:24, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

True. And Max seemed too smart in the pilot. Many changes in the actual series don't match, but as I remember there is never again seen the head of KAOS. Siegfried - was usually the top KAOS agent seen. Someplace someone disagreed with this, but in the pilot "KAOS" is the name of the TV station. In the series there are many TV and California references that do not make any other sense than as inside jokes. KAOS as TV stations in the west all start with "K", the "guild of surviving spies" is the "actors guild" instead of "union". Ronald Reagan is mentioned often at some points made the show still seem current in the 1980's when Reagan was President. I saw a Late Show/David Letterman with Buck Henry guest where he mentioned that the CIA at one time supposed/questioned where they found their gadget ideas, as some were either similar to real devices used by the CIA or of interest to the CIA for other reasons as what someone might have actual working such gadgets. Kidsheaven 22:39, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

 * Just for the record, we do see occasional heads of KAOS, usually intended as counterparts to the Chief, as in "The Expendable Agent" (played by Herb Ellis) and "Die, Spy" (played by Anthony Eustrel; the plot had the villain attempting to wipe out the heads of both CONTROL and KAOS). But they never played more than a cameo role. -- Aleal 02:31, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Guest and one time appearances
As of now, there are only the sections of "regular cast" and "recurring cast". But what about one time appearances in a full role, like Leonard Nimoy as Stryker, or the cameo appearance of Bob Hope in "99 loses control"? I have added them under "others" now, which is not quite right, since the top headline for that is "recurring cast", but I couldn't decide on how to split this up the best way, and also I reckon some other actors would have to be redistributed then, but I wouldn't know about those. Maybe someone else feels more competent for this. -- Externperson 08:44, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Trivia Discouragement
There is a remark that the trivia section should be removed because Wikipedia's editing guidelines discourage such information. Why? They are just as much facts as anything else in the article, and there is no reason why this section should not be included in an encyclopaedic reference.

By the way, renaming the "Trivia" section to "Miscellany" or something else doesn't solve the problem. The issue is one of style, not labels. 206.53.197.12 (talk) 15:11, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I hate that trivia tag. If the people who plaster this tag across anything with a trivia section actually READ the guidelines, they'd see that it isn't a blanket discouragement of trivia sections. In particular, trivia sections are entirely appropriate for movie and tv articles, because this is a field where there is a lot of interest in trivial details, most of which have little bearing on the main thrust of the article and cannot be neatly worked into the main text. I personally recommend deleting these tags with extreme prejudice in any area of popular culture that is likely to generate (an interest in) this sort of information 131.172.99.15 (talk) 01:50, 12 December 2008 (UTC)snaxalotl

 * And here's another useLESS piece of bs...

is there really any GOOD reason to add the names of the actors/people that played the Get Smart characters in the 2008 film??? Really? obviously wiki is written/edited by a bunch of 20, 30-something, star eyed... oh you get the point. Keep the link at the top of the page..fine, but do us all a favor and delete the add-on trivia info.. 'He was played by steve carell... etc..' who the f... cares. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:CDAF:A3D0:E934:FD2C:CE45:6079 (talk) 02:20, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Oh no! More Trivia!
Intel is working on a new, standalone GPU (video chip) and has given the project the code name "Larrabee". Larrabee_(GPU) Whether or not it has any connection to Get Smart, I do not know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bizzybody (talk • contribs) 11:14, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Max and Siegfried's Show and Tell
Max shows Siegfried his illegal, high-powered pistol from a Chicago mail-order house. The article says the prop was a Mauser C96 (the so-called "Broom Handle Mauser). It's been a while since I've seen the episode, but I thought it looked more like a Borchardt C93. DaddyWarlock (talk) 08:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

"this fall"
Although Wikipedia is constantly being improved and updated, the phrase "this fall" in an encyclopedia sounds weird. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.67.34.71 (talk) 02:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Minor errors?

 * The article says that the shoe phone required a dime to operate. I don't think is generally true.  It happened only in (an) episode(s) where CONTROL was suffering from budget cuts.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.53.197.12 (talk) 19:15, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Agree —DIV (128.250.80.15 (talk) 07:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC))

Check credits

 * John Schuck is credited with playing (one of the versions of) Hymie in Get Smart. I don't find this credit in his entry at IMDb.  Can this be verified?  (Schuck did play an android in a sitcom, but this was an unrelated series.)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.53.197.12 (talk) 19:30, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

 * Someone properly fixed the above error. Thank you. 206.53.197.12 (talk) 18:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Barbara Feldon
I was a big time get smart watcher, and to answer a trivia question what did max and chief call Barbara Feldon. I know her agent number was 99, but Max usually called her Miss 99 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.33.204.213 (talk) 02:44, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I doubt it -- it doesn't jive with my memory. Maybe he used "Miss 99" when they were undercover, in the presence of others, but not when they were only with people who new them as control agents. I suspect a lot of this article is based on peoples memories, rather than on credible sources. Maybe the article deserves the "refimprove" template. 206.53.197.12 (talk) 01:07, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Max and the Chief called her "99". When undercover, they would be given fake, cover names, so 99 might be playing a rich art patron named "Melissa", so in front of the KAOS agents Max would call her "Melissa". Occasionally other, non-CONTROL, characters like Seigfried used the term "Miss 99". Format (talk) 20:18, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Larabee/Larrabee spelling
Both spellings are on the page. IMDB shows Larabee, other sites often show Larrabee. Google for 'larabee "get smart"' gives 17,900 hits; Google for 'larrabee "get smart"' gives 13,300 hits. Does anyone know the official spelling in the original show script? 207.172.220.155 (talk) 14:12, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Just a little late, but this YouTube video of the ending credits says "Larabee". Clarityfiend (talk) 04:37, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

KAOS is a Delaware corporation
All of the info at this source is from the actual episodes, and this website is the most popular and most reliable website for this TV show. Grundle2600 (talk) 04:00, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes it is a Delaware corporation, for tax purposes. Format (talk) 05:44, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

UK English?
Wonder why this article about an American TV show appears to be written in UK English - satirises in the first line instead of satirizes for example? Of course, it could just be a typo or someone so confused by the UK English that permeates Wiki that they just didn't know any better. Imagine the Wiki article about Benny Hill written in U.S. English - man that sucker would be rewritten into UK English so quickly it would make your head spin. Jmdeur (talk) 20:29, 17 December 2009 (UTC) . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmdeur (talk • contribs) 20:30, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I would imagine it was written by editors outside the USA, who just use their natural spelling habits. Presuming you are American, if you were to write or edit an article about something "foreign" (to you), you would probably use American spelling without realizing it.  As for UK English "permeating" Wikipedia, it's my experience that the majority of WP editors use American English.  (Being Canadian helps with this perspective, because we use 1/2 American and 1/2 English spelling; we say "colour" but not "tyre" or "kurb" or "gaol", nor do we travel in lifts or lorries.) --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 03:58, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Nobody uses "Kurb".  The edge of the road is either "curb" or "kerb".Eregli bob (talk) 01:54, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * P.S., go ahead and change any UK spellings to US. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 04:11, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sure this is down to us Australians who often edit the article, and, without realising, naturally use the normal spelling used here - which is the same British spelling except in a very few cases. (We have many more British spellings than the Canadians). The show was always wildly popular in aust and has been repeated 100s of times on commercial TV. It has rarely been screened in the UK and most people there have never even heard of the series at all. Format (talk) 18:24, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

 * There's no reason not to use British English in the article. What type of English would you have be used in the article on India?  Indian English?  And probably some form of pidgin English for the article on Papua New Guinea?  No, it doesn't work like that, and it's not designed to work like that.
 * Also, user User:A Knight Who Says Ni is misguided: there is no WP rationale to arbitrarily change the spelling in an article if it is consistently written in a major variety of English (particularly if it was originally written using those spellings).  See e.g.
 * —DIV (120.17.126.106 (talk) 11:29, 6 May 2017 (UTC))
 * —DIV (120.17.126.106 (talk) 11:29, 6 May 2017 (UTC))

I suppose this is why an American vegetable, squash, is listed as 'marrow' in Wikipedia. The British versions always seem to win. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:346:1180:4320:4405:2A35:8614:72AE (talk) 02:05, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Entrance to CONTROL
I read a Get Smart novel once that described how Agent 86 gained access to CONTROL HQ from the phone booth. In the opening sequence he is shown dialing a number and then he disappears. In the novel, Max gets in by dialing a "wrong number."Wiarton Hode (talk) 02:18, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The novels were not written by the TV series writers, so I'm not sure this would be a memorable feature of Get Smart. (And I'm not sure of the significance of this info, anyway.)  How would you want to add this to the article? --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 14:45, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

CONTROL and KAOS
I saw on one or more episodes that CONTROL and KAOS were the initials for words. Like IBM for International Business Machines.

Does anyone know the actual full words for each initial.

Drew. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.133.253.21 (talk) 17:30, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * They are presented by the show in a way that makes them resemble acronyms, but it is never confirmed that they are, and what they might stand for is never revealed. Of course, the words themselves are chosen for comedy (control versus chaos) and that's the point, not what they stand for. Format (talk) 18:19, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Too Many Chiefs November 1965
Alexei Sebastian (impersonating the Chief) tells Smart there is a new password "you say Apples I say Mackintosh" I suppose these weren't the lines that gave the electronics company their ideas but remarkable nevertheless. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.74.238.58 (talk) 13:25, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Er, you do realize a Mackintosh is a type of apple? (If you do, then I don't get your point.) --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 14:41, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Max in the Navy
The following was added to the paragraph describing the character Maxwell Smart: Smart served in the US Army during the Korean War and is an Ensign in the US Navy Reserve whilst The Chief is a seaman in the same unit. First concern: Character summaries should include things that are significant to the character throughout the series. Is Smart's Navy history something that plays a factor in his character? Is it mentioned again in several episodes? If not, then it really doesn't belong here. We can't throw in random facts mentioned once here and there; it would soon become a long list and not a summary. I do recall that the episode with Rickles ("Little Black Book") had to do with Max reuniting with an army buddy, so perhaps there are several episodes where this is important. But editors should be demonstrating the significance of what they are adding, not leaving it for the reader to guess.

Next concern: At the bottom of the paragraph for the Chief, it says: Another time, when KAOS tricked the Chief into being recalled to active duty in the US Navy (as a common seaman and Smart as his commanding officer(!), his official name is John Doe. I'm wondering if the editor was confusing the events of that episode, with what are supposed to be historical events. (I could be wrong; I haven't checked the episode.)  And here again, is this something that needs to be in a summary describing the Chief in the series as a whole, or is just a "trivia fact"?

That brings up another point: It would be helpful to state which episode certain things happened, or were revealed, instead of just saying "on one occasion..." or implying that the factoid was brought up frequently in the series.

Another example of a context problem, is the statement in Max's paragraph: "Adams's character married 99." That's the whole sentence, with no explanation that it is something that happened in the last season, or how it contrasted with their relationship in the preceding episodes. It is as though someone is trying to make a point, and isn't saying it, just listing facts out of context.

This isn't a bad article, but I see editors coming in frequently to add new "facts" and not really fixing up and clarifying what's already here. There is work to be done!

Regarding the sentence I'm complaining about at top, if the editor is wrong about Max being the Chief's boss during the Korean war, then perhaps the statement that Max was an Ensign in the war is also wrong. I'm not sure. I only took out the part about the Chief (since it doesn't belong in Max's section anyway), but someone familiar with the episode should decide if more, or the whole sentence, needs to come out, or perhaps the original sentence was correct and should be restored. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 07:42, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

RfC on article names
An RfC was opened on a redirect talk page at Talk:Get Smart!, that has important implications for the names of the articles presently at Get Smart and Get Smart! (band), and treatment of Get Smart (disambiguation). — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿ ¤ þ  Contrib.  18:46, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

The Chief
I'm pretty sure that in "The Mild Ones" Max says, "Don't shake hands, Chief, your wife will never forgive you.", which means, in my eyes, that the Chief is married. But in the episode "Absorb the Greek" the Chief goes to a dating service. What happened? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.199.9.26 (talk) 04:56, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

The Claw
get smart...I am new to this forum but HAD to comment..Claws is an OBVIOUS spoof of the James Bond movie Dr. No. The current Wikipedia explanation is WAY OFF!Rogeramjet (talk) 04:30, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Seigfried, not Siegfried
I just watched an episode on MeTV and noticed that the closed captioning spelled the name as Seigfried the entire time. So I paid attention to the closing credits -- kudos to MeTV for always showing every show's closing credits -- and the character's name was indeed listed as Seigfried. The numerous occurrences of his name as Siegfried here might need to be amended unless, of course, the spelling was changed in later episodes, which I can't confirm or deny at this time. Nevertheless, it was most certainly spelled Seigfried in the submarine episode. 96.253.84.38 (talk) 05:40, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Confirmed. I watched another episode with him in it last weekend and the correct spelling is definitely Seigfried. 96.253.84.38 (talk) 02:43, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

 * The "closed captions" were probably added decades after the show was made, by an illiterate person who would not have had access to the scripts or any of the production materials in which the characters' names would have been spelled out ( or not ).  "Closed captions" are notoriously full of all sorts of spelling errors and mistakes based on the person listening to the show not understanding what was being said.  Some random stupid person may not understand the difference between words like "weiner" and "wiener",  but this show was made by central Europeans who probably did.Lathamibird (talk) 17:13, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Mexican TV Parody
The Mexican TV show that parodied Get Smart was not "De Nuez en Cuando", but "Derbez en Cuando". The name of the actor that host the show is Eugenio Derbez, hence the name. Here's the spanish wikipedia of the show: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derbez_en_cuando

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Notable guest star
I have added Marcel Hillaire to the list of notable guest stars. He played the Kaos agent who ran the wax museum. He was a well-known TV character actor who acted in among other shows LOST IN SPACE and THE TWILIGHT ZONE. He had a striking gaunt appearance and a distinctive French accent. Goblinshark17 (talk) 03:42, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

UPDATE: I have also created a page for Marcel Hillaire. He was a notable TV presence in the 1960s and most definitely deserves mention on Wikipedia. He had a page before, but it was deleted by one Malik Shabazz for copyright violation. The page I have created uses my own words to describe him (Hillaire, not Shabazz). Goblinshark17 (talk) 04:14, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * He doesn't seem to meet the requirements of WP:NACTOR. This is why I reverted the original addition. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 10:59, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Your satire. My documentary. Core Conceit should be documented
Why no mention of the show's central conceit, and the principal source of its comedy; namely the reality that "intelligence" agencies are, in actuality, infested with bumbling fools precisely in the mould of Maxwell Smart? That is, the program is less satire, and more documentary that anyone cares or dares to admit?

49.182.133.68 (talk) 11:01, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

 * Got some stories? I’d like to read that article! MBG02 (talk) 18:56, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

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Need the experts
The article says 99 is not “Susan”, but (as cited above) isn’t she referred to as Susan at the wedding?

Were the twins named?

I know Siegfried says KAOS stands for “Killing And Other Stuff”. I (very vaguely) remember something being espoused for CONTROL.

No mention of whether right or left foot for the shoe-phone. It’s a Trivial Pursuit question.

Maybe a sentence is required to emphasise how ridiculous a shoe-phone was in 1965; not so obvious now.

MBG02 (talk) 19:04, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Series Plot
The last line in this section asserts, "Agent 99 became the first woman in an American hit sitcom to keep her job after marriage and motherhood." This line is currently flaged "citation needed", but in fact the assertion is incorrect.

Lucille Ball shot several episodes in 1952 while pregnant with her second child, who was incorporated into later series episodes as "Little Rickie". The "I Love Lucy" sitcom ran for an additional five years with Ball in the staring role.

Prior to that, Mary Kay, of Mary Kay and Johnny had her real-life pregnancy written into the show in 1948, and her baby son was incorporated into the show, which ran for two more years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.89.176.249 (talk) 20:41, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

 * Lucy is a housewife (who only takes occasional part-time work, e.g. in a candy factory or a TV ad). Mary Kay appears to be the same. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:26, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

How did the series get its title?
Get Smart. On the titling of the series, yes, CHAOS agents were after Max, and he did need to smarten up, so, is that it, or was there anything else to the title? The UK's secret agent Danger Man (hardly ever used a gun, family friendly) aired there and in the U.S. beginning five years before GS aired, and that was created by a Ralph Smart. Bob Enyart, Denver KGOV radio host (talk) 05:38, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

NASA referenced Get Smart
The TV Land program about Get Smart shows a clip of NASA where they use the Get Smart line "Sorry about that, Chief." I think that deserves a mention, but am not sure where to put it in the article. The reference starts at 20:30 at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngazWNQkzqA Alden Loveshade (talk) 02:42, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Siegfried
Ludwig or Conrad? --Manfariel (talk) 20:14, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Spies at Work
The "Spies at Work" section should be removed. It has no sources, and it is little more than summaries of scenes from various episodes. For now, I am drastically simplifying it. --Sm5574 (talk) 15:59, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

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