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User talk:Gertjan R.

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 * 1) September 4, 2004 - September 2, 2009
 * 2) September 18, 2009 - present

Hêbê Debate at the European Parliament: Wikipedia - Truth by Consensus?
I see that you are a prolific Wikipedia editor! Do you live in Brussels by any chance? I ask, because there is a debate planned on the usefulness and reliability of Wikipedia at the European Parliament in Brussels on Monday evening, September 28th. If you are interested in either debating the subject or simply attending as an audience member, you can register on http://www.asbl-hebe.eu.

For more info, I'd be happy to help, just email hebe-debates@asbl-hebe.eu.

We would be happy to have you there!

Kindest regards, HêbêDeb (talk) 17:37, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

 * Sorry, I do not live close to Brussels, going to Brussels would take me too much time, to be honest... But thank you for the information. Greetings, Belgian man (talk) 19:09, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Request for help, please
Greetings Belgian man, would you be so kind to help me create an article about Confucius in Nauruan Wikipedia? Please. It's about a Chinese philosopher and is listed as one of the articles every Wikipedia should have. You can shorten it to contain only the basic information, one sentence would be enough. I hope, you could help. Thanks a lot, and best regards. --Amaqqut (talk) 13:12, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry Amaqqut, but I don't write any article on the Nauruan Wikipedia until I have more sources about the vocabulary and grammar of the language. You could ask someone with better knowledge of the language, but they are hard to find. Greetings, Belgian man (talk) 10:02, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your answer:)--Amaqqut (talk) 13:48, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Belle Air flights to Prishtina International Airport
Hi there, I saw that you reverted by change for Belle Air flights to PRN. Could you please have a look at my reasoning here. I shall wait to hear from you before making any changes. Many thanks, Kosovar (talk) 11:03, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * (Reacted there. Belgian man (talk) 15:34, 1 March 2010 (UTC))
 * Hi Belgian man, just a note to let you know that I wrote back again there. Kosovar (talk) 17:42, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

"Brabantian is not a language and thus has not a language cod"
nocode,but iso dun grant language status[c'vls' fe.--i'v[[RSI]]>typin=v.v.hard4me!!>contactme thruMSNpl[sven70=alias (talk) 05:59, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you repeat that in a more normal way please, I don't understand. Greetings, Belgian man (talk) 08:38, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

What is a language?
Hello, Belgian man! I've stumbled over your name by the discussion about the flag of Bikini. An impressing expression ... And now I'd like to know who or what determines what is a language effectively. Is this not still more or less politics? Hellsepp 11:27, 3 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hellsepp (talk • contribs)
 * What expression do you mean?
 * An institution like SIL doesn't bother about politics at all: it considers very many regional varieties as separate languages. Since I use Ethnologue as a reference in much cases, I wouldn't say I care much about politics either. However, politics indeed continue influencing the perception of what is a language and what not strongly (for exemple in France, where other languages than French are not recognised at all). Which is of course very dangerous for the survival of minority languages...Belgian man (talk) 18:42, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Roman Tmetuchl International Airport
Hello Belgian Man. As a note, the Palau International Airport was never renamed Roman Tmetuchl International Airport. There was a bill introduced in the senate but it never became law. The current name for the airport is still Palau International Airport. I happened to stumble on this but not being a very familiar with Wikipedia I did not know how to correct the error. Regards, Bearabee —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.88.65.82 (talk) 10:11, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have some official source for this? Greetings, Belgian man (talk) 16:02, 8 May 2010 (UTC) (I hope you don't mind I replaced your comment.)

You are now a Reviewer
Hello. Your account has been granted the "reviewer" userright, allowing you to review other users' edits on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged protection, is currently undergoing a two-month trial scheduled to end 15 August 2010.

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 * Thank you! Belgian man (talk) 10:24, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Let L-410 crash
The info on ASN has changed since I used it as a ref. Please remember WP:AGF in your edit summaries. Mjroots (talk) 10:31, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay. Rather strange ASN still has Semendua (like we spell it) as place of origin, as far as I know, this is the only source to mention that city in this whole story. Greetings, Belgian man (talk) 17:54, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Airport names
Salut Belgian man. Here's something a few of us are working on to try and make sense out of (and put an end, hopefully, to the endless disagreements over) airport names. Your input will be most welcome. Merci! jasepl (talk) 16:09, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, nice project, I just had a look at it yet. Greetings, Belgian man (talk) 23:41, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Riga airport
Please stop reverting - several users obviously disagree. If you want to talk start a disccusion on talk page instead of someone's sandbox (I don't see any discussion on this or even airports involved being mentioned). As far as I see the article now uses official names of airprts, while you are pushing for names of settlements they are in. If I was trying to figure out where I was going I would rather like to find article on the airport rather than settlement. Xil (talk) 17:34, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I will await a consensus for what concerns Riga. Using Milan for Bergamo or Treviso for Venice is simply advertising for Ryanair. Greetings, Belgian man (talk) 13:01, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Just my two cents - I think you risk sacrifacing readers' needs in your atempt to avoid comercialization. You might as well wikilink to all airports, so people can look themselves, where this flight would take them. Because, for example, Bergamo gives you article on town, not an airport. And one probably would need to know the name of airport (Orio al Serio) to find article on it, "Ryanair marketing" however readily gives the name and even article on airport names it "Milan" in infobox, so you probably can somehow get from there to Milan. Riga airport also is not in Riga - what are you going to do about it ? Name it after the little municipality it is in, which probably will leave even Rigans confused ? Xil  (talk) 15:18, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Mm, there is a little difference. Riga's airport was constructed as Riga's airport, whereas Bergamo's airport was constructed as an airport to serve Bergamo, and hasn't even changed its name for marketing purposes. Belgian man (talk) 08:04, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Hello and happy new year!
I have just left you a message on Meta, I hope you can find some spare time to read it. Happy New Year and best wishes for 2011. Best regards, Claudi Balaguer/Capsot (talk) 22:00, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Best wishes for 2011 for you as well! I answered your message on Meta-Wiki. Greetings, Belgian man (talk) 07:53, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, I hope you are doing fine. I wanted to let you know of the progress of our project and well if you are available these days we will be glad to have you around to talk about your experience(s) with small/minorized language wikipedias (Amical should take care of the expenses of your travel and stay) or your experience with the Incubator. Our main problem is your geographical location (because our budget is limited, unfortunately...) and thus I hope you live in Andorra right now. So, please contact me, if you can via e-mail from the Catalan Viquipèdia (I don't know how to do it but I guess you can). Take care! Fins aviat, Claudi/Capsot (talk) 09:33, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello again, maybe you haven't seen my message, hope you can find some time to answer. Take care, Claudi/Capsot (talk) 21:32, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Capsot, toutes mes excuses. J'avais/ai en fait une période très chargée, raison pour laquelle je n'ai pas pu beaucoup penser sur la mesure dans laquelle je participerai au projet. Je n'ai pas eu l'occasion de me rendre à Perpignan, ça m'aurait coûté trop de temps et d'argent en fait. Tu peux toujours me faire savoir s'il y a d'autres choses à faire, mais je ne peux pas te promettre que j'aurai le temps ou les moyens. Cependant, il reste sans doute que je supporte le projet avec toutes mes forces. Beaucoup de salutations, 13:40, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Tirana - Londen-Stansted

 * Ok man fijn weer wat van je te horen is goed, je hebt gelijk. --Vinie007 14:48, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Kijk dit eens, nieuwe verbinding denk je dat we kunnen toevoegen? --Vinie007 15:17, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Dank je, serieus nieuws is dat! Ik vlieg op 13 juli naar Pristina via Boedapest, het is niet de eerste keer dat er een vlucht wordt geïntroduceerd net nadat ik nog op de "oude" manier ergens ter plaatse raak :p En we kunnen het toevoegen want dit artikel vermeldt de datum (10 juni). Groet, Belgian man (talk) 20:33, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

May I ask you some help?
Hello, I'm a Belgian citizen and I found you in the "Belgian page", I would like to ask you some help concerning a wikipedia article about the artist ben heine (www.benheine.com). Please let me know how I can do to improve this article or to have someone do it as I really find it difficult to edit stuff properly on Wikipedia... Caring-writer (talk)

I've been following Ben Heine's work for many years, but I noticed that the current article is a text that appeared on Wikipedia in 2006 and that reflects what he did in that time only. He has totally changed and evolved. He has made many more things since then. He is a globally appreciated artist. There aren't so many criticisms about him. The article isn't fair, it REALLY NEEDS MANY UPDATES and contains strong mistakes about the artist. Many well known national newspapers and magazines have talked about him and his work recently (see non exhaustive list here below), none of them is even mentioned in the current article. He has stopped making political art since more than 2 years. Please just consider these publications, most of them are a few days/weeks old only... Daily Mail, The Telegraph, El Pais, Repubblica, De Standaard... These AREN'T blogs!!! These are national papers read by millions of people.

Please have a look to the following list of errors in the current article (which I detailed here below, and which I'll mention to several other admins if needed and if not taken into account).

List of important errors in the current article about Ben Heine:

1) Ben isn't a political artist anymore, it's true he used to make political art accusing Israel of "crimes against humanity", but he stopped making such illustrations in 2009 and wrote an "[[open letter to the Jewish Community]]" in December 2010 apologizing about his past behavior (saying it was the influences of his studies in Journalism. Parts of his final assignment talked about the "limits of freedom of expression in cartoons"). In this letter, he also firmly condemned the infamous Iranian Holocaust cartoon contest and said he was feeling deeply guilty about it. Here is the letter translated in English (Google translator). Ben doesn't deny the Holocaust, he visited Auschwitz Birkenau and feels sincerely sorry about the past suffering of the Jewish community.

2) Ben doesn't contribute to these websites anymore: DonQuichotte, MWC News, Rebelion, Tlaxcala, Irancartoon, Syriacartoon, Arabcartoon, Persiancartoon, Karikaturevi, Azercartoon, Dessin d'humour, National Caricaturist Network (Ben has explicitly asked these sites to remove all his illustrations from their platforms)

3) Ben doesn't collaborate with "La Libre Belgique" Anymore. Only 4 or 5 of his old cartoons have been published in this newspaper (in 2006 and 2007).

4) Pencil Vs Camera is not just a "little detail" in his biography, it is a creative and original series that has generated some huge reactions on the web and in the written press (see a non exhaustive list below). It is such an innovation that several TV channels around the world have also talked about it: Globo - Brazil, TV Brussel - Belgium, and many others). Same for "Digital Circlism"...

5) "Pere Ubu" (one of the main newspapers that clearly accused Heine in Belgium has removed the accusation from their site

6) Most of the links in the "notes" section (expecially the url's linking to images on Ben's blog) do not work...

7) Ben removed from his sites (blog, flickr, Deviantart and official site) all his cartoons accusing Israel or any Israeli person (Avigdor Lieberman...).

8) He didn't participate "recently" to the Kruger Workshop. This event happened in 2006!

So, I really hope you'll aknowledge that 90% of the article is based on inaccurate facts... I would like to see a real neutral article about that artist.

List of recent notable publications with Ben Heine works and biography:

WEB:

- DAILY MAIL (UK - February 2011) - EL PAIS (Spain - February 2011) - THE TELEGRAPH (UK - February 2011) - NEWSLITE (UK : February 2011) - BBC Brazil (Brazil - February 2011) - LA REPUBBLICA (Italy - February 2011) - TV BRUSSEL (Belgium - January 2011) - CNN Turk (Turkey - February 2011) - POP PHOTOGRAPHY: (USA - January 2011) - SHORT NEWS (Germany - February 2011) - ESTADAO (Brazil - January 2011) - HET NIEUWSBLAD (Belgium - February 2011) - DE STANDAARD (Belgium - February 2011) - OBVIOUS MAG (Spain - January 2011) - WEBOVINY (Slovakia - January 2011) - ARTE SPAIN (Spain - January 2011) - Accessible Art Fair (Belgium - 2010) - TrendsNow (France- February 2011) - CHINA DAILY (China - 2010) - DUSHI (China - january 2011) - ABDUZEEDO (Brazil - 2010) - Other publications in 2010

PRINT:

- Pop Photography (USA - January 2011) - Het Nieuwsblad - 1 (Belgium - 2011) - Het Nieuwsblad - 2 (Belgium - 2010) - Ca m'intéresse (France - 2010) - Daily Mirror (Great Britain - 2010) - Bookedi (South Korea - 2010) - Digital Artist 1 - 2 - 3 (China - 2010) - Belgian Embassy in London (February 2011) - Photoeidolo (Greece - 2011) - Šeimininkė (Lithuania - 2010) - View Mag (Germany - 2010) - Shambala Sun (Canada - 2010) - Imagine Demain le Monde (Belgium - 2009) - La Libre Belgique 1 2 (Belgium - 2009) - Moonwalk Through Art (The Netherlands - 2009) - Rolling Stone (USA - 2008) - 3e Millénaire (France - 2011)

My suggestions for a new neutral article (it would be good to add some of the above references, feel free to add more)

Ben Heine (born 12 June 1983 in Abidjan, Ivory coast) is a Belgian multidisciplinary artist. He is internationally known for his original series "Pencil Vs Camera" and "Digital Circlism". Ben has stopped doing political art since 2009.

He has a degree in journalism (Brussels). He also briefly studied graphic arts and sculpture (one year in Hastings, England) but considers himself a self-taught artist.

Pencil Vs Camera
This is a concept Heine invented in 2010. Heine says it is the result of a long graphic exploration and a logic consequence of his artistic evolution. "Pencil Vs Camera" mixes drawing and photography, imagination and reality through illusion and surrealism. He usually focuses on architecture, portraits, and animals. Among many others, the main themes approached in "Pencil Vs Camera" are love and friendship.

Digital Circlism
This is a concept Heine invented in 2010. It is a mix between Pop Art and Pointillism. In this series, Heine usually makes portraits of celebrities with digital tools using flat circles on a black background. Each circle has a single color and a single tone.

Influences
Heine says he has been deeply influenced by German Expressionism, Belgian Surrealism, American Pop Art and Social Realism.

Publications
Heine is represented by several established press agencies everywhere in the world. List of publications

interviews
List of interviews

Exhibitions
Heine is represented by several established art galeries in Belgium and abroad (UK and USA) and is sponsored by "Samsung Imaging". So far, He has exhibited his creations in Belgium, Great Britain, Turkey, Romania, France, Canada, USA, Germany, Brazil, South Korea and Spain.

List of exhibitions

Views on Israel
Ben used to make political art accusing Israel of crimes against humanity, he stopped making such illustrations in 2009 and wrote an "[[open letter to the Jewish Community]]" in 2011 apologizing about his past behavior.

Attempt to change Naura from DAB to REDIRECT
My dreadful attempt to change Naura from DAB to REDIRECT was not vandalism, just my misunderstanding of what needed to be done and my 3 a.m. interpretation of WP:2DAB. But thanks to the UNDO feature, everything can be easily fixed. (I realize now that I should have put a note on the talk page outlining my rationale; a good thing for me to note for future use.) After sleeping on it, (I promise I won't edit Wikipedia in the middle of the night again) I realize that the red link entries have a couple of pages other than DAB pages that link to them (another thing I will note to look at with my eyes open in the future). So having established that my edit was a bad idea, I will go ahead and make a couple of edits that I am sure won't meet with controversy. Thank you, for your time and consideration.  JMax  (Okay, tell me. What'd I do this time?)  17:48, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you for clarification effort, no problem. Greetings, 13:42, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

References in destination lists
I noticed you removed references to destinations at some airports. The only time that references are not necessary is when the airline already flies to that city. References are necessary is when an airline is launching service to a new city. All those references you removed are new services that needs to be sourced to prevent vandalism. You can then remove those reference once the airline has officially launched service to that city. Thanks! Snoozlepet (talk) 05:17, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, no problem, I will keep references about future destinations. Greetings, 07:19, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

London Southend Airport
Hi. Can you please help? This IP (120.63.155.29) continues to say that London Southend Airport is NOT a London airport...instead of listing the destination as "Southend-on-the-Sea". Is it really? Snoozlepet (talk) 20:49, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it should really be London-Southend indeed, as the airport is called London Southend Airport and serves London in the first place... Greetings and a happy New Year, 09:26, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Tel Aviv airports
Hi there. Can you explain to this user (Friends147) that Tel Aviv need disambiguation. He removed the disambiguation at quite a few airport pages. There is also passenger service at SDV Airport as well. Thanks and happy new year! Snoozlepet (talk) 15:36, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I will have a look at it. I totally agree that it should be Tel Aviv-Ben Gurion everywhere. (Same thing with, among others, Georgetown, Kingston, Kinshasa, Krasnoyarsk and Nairobi — there's still some work to do with those as well.) Greetings, 09:31, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Destinations
Destinations are written in their standard form, as you can check from any other airport pages, such as Galeao Airport or Miami International Airport. Jetstreamer (talk) 19:52, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If that "standard form" is used on those other pages, it should be changed there as well: we try to give correct information. I removed your silly template and changed the headline. 00:17, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you
Hello, Gertjan R. Thank you for your friendly welcome to Dutch Wikipedia. I speak Dutch only falteringly and I write it with difficulty, but I read it well enough to be able to glean information from articles. I went on to Dutch WP to set up a link to my article on Aagje Vanwalleghem. I was sad to learn of her retirement and this spurred me to finish and publish it. I used to visit Belgium a lot, but I am now old and in poor health, so I travel electronically. Best wishes. LynwoodF (talk) 21:55, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello Lynwood,
 * No problem, thank you for your friendly message! It is indeed sad that Vanwalleghem decided to quit gymnastics.
 * Greetings, 07:18, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

http://na.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Etangmek_oning_ian_La_Massana.PNG
I know this is an own work, but what license would you like to use for it? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:37, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The default own work licence, as used on Commons? It is equal to me. Please note that the image is not that accurate, I think I wouldn't use it myself anymore (on the articles on the villages I wrote on the Dutch Wikipedia, for example). Greetings, 00:16, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Since it was only used on one page, I went ahead and removed it. If you need the image back, let me know and I can restore it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:37, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, no problem. Greetings, 13:46, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Deutschnofen
An extended version of my edit summary line: It is easily possible to write serveral other administrative, historical or statistical entities Deutschnofen is belonging to into the introduction. Apart from the province, the region and the state, we have for example the district Salten-Schlern, the Euroregion Tyrol–South Tyrol–Trentino, Northeast Italy, the European Union and so on. But in my view, it's not the point of an introduction to enumerate as many of these entities as possible, but to help the reader to locate the municipality by mentioning those entities they might know and the most important ones. South Tyrol and northern Italy are surely helpful and well known, but Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol? I have strong doubts.

Regarding the distance to Trento: Well, Bolzano is the capital of South Tyrol, that is probably good reference point, but it would be more helpful if we took Munich, Venice and Milan instead of Trento... --Mai-Sachme (talk) 09:33, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

na.wiki logo
I would like for you to look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37674 and express your thoughts. The problem is that at that wiki, the English logo is used and not the Narauan one. I would like for the logo to be pointing to the Commons image, and not local. Either way, a local language logo will be finally used, but the main question is use Commons or stick with local. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:28, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Albanian help needed
Hello Gertjan R., I'm contacting you because we need some Albanian translators to help with the deployment of the new VisualEditor on sq.wikipedia. There are help pages, user guides, and description pages that need translating, as well as the interface itself. The translating work is going on over on MediaWiki: Translation Central. I also need help with a personal message for the Albanian Wikipedians. If you are able to help in any way, either reply here, or head over to TranslationCentral. Thanks for your time, PEarley (WMF) (talk) 17:12, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
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Writing week Brussels
Dear Gertjan R.,

since you live in Belgium, I thought you might be interested in the Writing week Brussels that is going on right now.

Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 10:41, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

New Challenge for Oceania and Australia
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Nauruan Pronunciation
Hello Gertjan, can you please pronounce the Nauruan words listed in Forvo? Link to Nauruan page.-- Jos   eph   17:53, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

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The American Analog Set

The American Analog Set (sometimes referred to as AmAnSet) is an Austin-based indie rock, lo-fi band. They have released seven studio albums, on the record labels Emperor Jones, Tiger Style Records, and Arts & Crafts. On October 27, 2023, they released For Forever, their first album of new material since 2005. On February 9, 2024, The Numero Group released the New Drifters box set, containing the bands first 3 albums and 2 albums worth of unreleased demos, b-sides and outtakes. On April 10, 2024, The Numero Group announced on their Instagram that they were working on a boxset with the Tiger Style era material.

History
Forming in 1995, the group's early sound was highly influenced by krautrock and post-rock and British shoegaze bands like Cocteau Twins, often featuring long instrumental passages. Over time, their songs became shorter and more pop-influenced. The band has released seven full-length albums, four EPs, and several singles.

The group is led by singer/songwriter/guitarist Andrew Kenny. Additional members include, or have included, Jesse Lee, Mark Smith, Craig McCaffrey, Tom Hoff, Lisa Roschmann, and Sean Ripple. Founding member Roschmann left the band in late 1999; Hoff and Ripple joined in early 2000 and McCaffery replaced Hoff in 2003 for the album Set Free. Hoff rejoined the current lineup in 2013.

In October 2005, rumors began spreading across the Internet that the group was on the verge of disbanding. The band quickly refuted such rumors, but added that they may not tour again due to their obligations with other projects.

2005's Set Free, was released in North America by Canadian record label Arts & Crafts.

"Gone to Earth" from Know by Heart was a part of the soundtrack of the 2009 romantic film The Time Traveler's Wife.

The band released For Forever, their first album in 18 years, on October 27, 2023.

Current members

 * Andrew Kenny - guitar, vocals, organ, electric piano, synth (1995-2005, 2013–present)
 * Jesse Lee - bass, tapes (1995-2005, 2013–present)
 * Mark Smith - drums (1995-2005, 2013–present)
 * Sean Ripple - vibraphone, backing vocals, guitar, drums and percussion (2000-2005, 2021–present)
 * Tom Hoff - organ, electric piano, guitar, drums (2000-2003, 2013–present)

Former members

 * Lisa Roschmann - organ, electric piano, flute, backing vocals (1995-1999)
 * Craig McCaffrey - organ, electric piano (2003-2005)

Touring members

 * Shawn O'Keefe - guitar (1997-2000)
 * Josh Wright - guitar (1999)

Albums

 * The Fun of Watching Fireworks (1996, Emperor Jones)
 * From Our Living Room to Yours (1997, Emperor Jones)
 * The Golden Band (1999, Emperor Jones)
 * Know by Heart (2001, Tiger Style)
 * Promise of Love (2003, Tiger Style)
 * Set Free (2005, Arts & Crafts)
 * For Forever (2023, Hometown Fantasy)

Live Albums

 * Bootleg Club Volume One: 1996-1999 (2014)
 * Bootleg Club Volume Two: 2000-2002 (2014)
 * Bootleg Club Volume Three: 2003-2005 (2014)

EPs

 * Late One Sunday & The Following Morning (1997, Darla Records)
 * Updates (2002, Tiger Style)
 * Songs of Hurt and Healing (2005, Tylenol/Ouch!) (Split with White Magic)
 * Everything Ends in Spring (2005)

Singles

 * Diana Slowburner (1996, Emperor Jones)
 * Magnificent Seventies (1997, Emperor Jones)
 * Split with Adventures In Stereo (1997)
 * The Only Living Boy Around (1999)
 * New Equation (2001, Tiger Style)
 * Split with The Twilight Singers, Jeff Hanson (2003, Devil in the Woods)
 * Queen of Her Own Parade (2023, Numero Group)
 * Where Did You Come From? (2023, Numero Group)

Compilations

 * Through the 1990s: Singles and Unreleased (2001, Emperor Jones)
 * Hard to Find: Singles and Unreleased 2000-2005 (2009, Hometown Fantasy)
 * New Drifters (2024, The Numero Group)

Appearances

 * New Voices Vol. 30 (1999)
 * New Voices Vol. 49 (2002)
 * Artist Sampler 2002-2003 (2003)
 * Another Country (2003)
 * Musikexpress 80: Sounds Now! (2003)
 * Off The Wall: 10 Years of Wall of Sound (2003)
 * We Love You... So Love Us Three (2004)
 * Comes With A Smile #15: Gloved Hands in Squeeze (2005)
 * La Revolution de Spunk (2005)
 * All Tomorrow's Parties 3.1 (2005)
 * Electracoustic (2006)
 * Duyster.II (2006)
 * Peace on Earth (2008)
 * Not Given Lightly (2009)
 * Morr Music 2005 (2013)
 * The Best of the Bliss Out (2015)

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Eiger (disambiguation)

The Eiger is a mountain in Switzerland.

Eiger may also refer to:

 * Eiger (Greenland), a mountain in the Halle Range
 * Eiger Glacier, on the Eiger, Switzerland
 * Eiger (planet), the name of the exoplanet otherwise called HD 130322 b
 * Eiger FK, a Norwegian football club
 * Suzuki Eiger 400, an all-terrain vehicle
 * Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs, codenamed "Eiger", a Microsft operating system

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Talk:Maniple (military unit)

Maths isn't right
''The army was organized into 3 lines during the Roman Republic, the hastati, the principes, and the triarii. Each of these lines was divided into maniples of 120, 120 and 60 men, respectively. Thus, the legion proper consisted of about 3,000 men.'' Umm... 3 x (120+120+60) = 3000? Something seems a little off here.... -FZ 11:49, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Centuries were left out I think. This needs some work, but my refs are not handy right now. Stan 14:53, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * it isnt 3 times the 120 120 60, it is 120 plus 120plus 60 and that equals a maniple. 120+120=240+60=300

300 men in a maniple. see, 120,120,60 equals 3. 120=1 120=2 60=3. those are the three rows, veterans most likely the 60, principles second 120 and rookies the first 120.

but in a surprising turn of events you kind have calculated the legion, but it would be 10 maniples in the entire legion. equalling 3000. Each Legion having 3000 would mean 10 maniples because 300 in each would have to make 10.

diagram
A diagram of the unit will probably explain it a thousand times better than words would. --ToyotaPanasonic 07:08, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Fate of Maniple
I'm not sure it's at all clear why the maniple disappeared. If it is clearly as a result of the Marian reforms need sources citing that; sources I am familiar with state it is unclear when and why the maniple was abandoned. Statement that "Romans provided only legionaries (sword and shield)" is also confusing. By Romans, is the article referring to the city of Rome or more broadly to Roman citizens regardless of era? As written, this is clearly not the case, as Roman citizens in the legions certainly were not so uniformly armed even in an individual era. For example, in the late Empire there are examples of cohorts fighting with hasta in shield wall formation, such as the Battle of Strasbourg.

Recommend the article be thoroughly revised, possibly with comments on difficulty of reading into ancient sources for reliable data. As it is, the article presents a debatable and murky issue rather neatly... Macboots 23:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

What IS it?
This article doesn't actually define a maniple at all. Lots of interesting stuff, but no definition other than "a tactical unit of the Roman legion". Perhaps it's been edited out? Rambler24 (talk) 17:33, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I've found it, with careful re-reading. I've also found that the definition was included in the summary, and has been edited out.Why? Rambler24 (talk) 23:46, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems from some talk higher up the page that it was indeed edited out. I only came here incidentally, becaude I read elsewhere that centuries were at one point succeeded by maniples. The context suggested that maniple were larger than centuries. I just wanted to know how big a maniple was; no answer. My guess is the answer's in the history and the references; I'll have a look over the next couple of days.
 * MrDemeanour (talk) 20:24, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

I want to add that it would be good if someone uploads a schematic drawing of how the maniple system works, because I don't have a clear image of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CoincidentalBystander (talk • contribs) 17:52, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

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Mississagi River

The Mississagi River is a river in Algoma and Sudbury Districts, Ontario, Canada, that originates in Sudbury District and flows 266 km to Lake Huron at Blind River, Algoma District.

Etymology
The river's name comes from the Ojibwe misi-zaagi, meaning "river with a wide mouth".

Geography
The Mississagi River begins in a small unnamed lake in Sudbury District and flows south 8 km from that point to the border of Algoma District, then southeast through a north-east corner of the district, before returning once again to Sudbury District at White Owl Lake, from which it flows into Mississagi Lake at an elevation of 457 m.

The river then turns south and heads to Kettle Lake, the furthest point east it reaches, before continuing south and entering Mississagi River Provincial Park at Upper Bark Lake at an elevation of 446 m. The river then continues south and crosses back into Algoma District, where it remains for the rest of its journey to Lake Huron, and enters the large L-shaped Bark Lake. It then heads west through Hellgate Rapids, takes in its right tributary the Abinette River at an elevation of 411 m, splits into two channels to form an island at 46.93944°N, -82.80139°W, recombines at 46.93194°N, -82.81444°W, and enters the large Rocky Island Lake at an elevation of 410 m, where the right tributary Cypress River enters. The Mississagi River then flows into Aubrey Lake, partially formed by the Aubrey Falls Generating Station (hydro) and dam, and where the Wenebegon Rivers joins. Not all the water is funnelled into the station, however; some continues to form the Aubrey Falls.

The river turns south and the right tributary Aubinadong River enters, followed by two left tributaries, the Sharpsand River and the Rapid River in quick succession, and further on, another left tributary, Snowshoe Creek from Wakomata Lake. Then it reaches Tunnel Lake, formed by the George W Rayner Generating Station and Wells Generating Station and associated dams. The river then heads southeast where the left tributary Little White River enters, and continues to Red Rock Lake, created by the Red Rock Falls Generating Station and dam, over the Shino Rapids, takes in the right tributary Bolton River, then reaches the North Channel on Lake Huron.

The river's delta is a "bird's foot" delta, a type not commonly found on the Great Lakes. The Mississippi River in Louisiana has a bird's foot delta.

Communities along the Mississagi River in upstream order:
 * Mississauga First Nation
 * Blind River
 * Iron Bridge
 * Wharncliffe, Ontario

Tributaries

 * Abinette River (right)
 * Cypress River (right)
 * Wenebegon River (right)
 * Aubinadong River (right)
 * Sharpsand River (left)
 * Rapid River (left)
 * Grindstone Creek (left)
 * Little White River (left)
 * Bolton River (right)

History
The Ojibwa people used the river to travel between the forests of the interior and Lake Huron. In 1799, the North West Company built a fur trading post at the mouth of the river. This post was closed in 1900. During the second half of the 19th century, the river was used to transport logs to sawmills at Blind River.

Economy
Ontario Hydro constructed dams and four hydroelectric generating stations on the Mississagi River, Rayner G.S., Wells G.S., Red Rock Falls G.S., and Aubrey Falls G.S. between 1950 and 1970, which today are operated by Brookfield Asset Management. Historically, mining and forestry played a large role, but today tourism is the primary activity along the river.

Highway 129 follows the river from Wharncliffe until the river turns east at Aubrey Falls.

Ecology
The lower river is an important spawning ground for lake sturgeon.

Aubrey Falls Provincial Park is on the river at Aubrey Falls. Mississagi River Provincial Park encompasses the upper reaches of the river including Mississagi Lake. Mississagi Provincial Park is on the Boland River, a tributary of the Little White River. Mississagi Delta Provincial Nature Reserve Park encompasses the river's delta mouth. The Voyageur Hiking Trail follows the lower portion of the river near Iron Bridge.

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Thymol

Thymol (also known as 2-isopropyl-5-methylphenol, IPMP), C10H14O, is a natural monoterpenoid phenol derivative of p-Cymene, isomeric with carvacrol, found in oil of thyme, and extracted from Thymus vulgaris (common thyme), ajwain, and various other plants as a white crystalline substance of a pleasant aromatic odor and strong antiseptic properties. Thymol also provides the distinctive, strong flavor of the culinary herb thyme, also produced from T. vulgaris. Thymol is only slightly soluble in water at neutral pH, but it is extremely soluble in alcohols and other organic solvents. It is also soluble in strongly alkaline aqueous solutions due to deprotonation of the phenol. Its dissociation constant (pKa) is $10.59$. Thymol absorbs maximum UV radiation at 274 nm.

Chemical synthesis
Thymol is produced by the alkylation of m-cresol and propene:
 * CH3C6H4OH + CH2CHCH3 -> ((CH3)2CH)CH3C6H3OH

A predicted method of biosynthesis of thymol in thyme and oregano begins with the cyclization of geranyl diphosphate by TvTPS2 to γ-terpinene. Oxidation by a cytochrome P450 in the CYP71D subfamily creates a dienol intermediate, which is then converted into a ketone by short-chain dehydrogenase. Lastly, keto-enol tautomerization gives thymol.

History
Ancient Egyptians used thyme for embalming. The ancient Greeks used it in their baths and burned it as incense in their temples, believing it was a source of courage. The spread of thyme throughout Europe was thought to be due to the Romans, as they used it to purify their rooms and to "give an aromatic flavour to cheese and liqueurs". In the European Middle Ages, the herb was placed beneath pillows to aid sleep and ward off nightmares. In this period, women also often gave knights and warriors gifts that included thyme leaves, because it was believed to bring courage to the bearer. Thyme was also used as incense and placed on coffins during funerals, because it was supposed to ensure passage into the next life.

The bee balms Monarda fistulosa and Monarda didyma, North American wildflowers, are natural sources of thymol. The Blackfoot Native Americans recognized these plants' strong antiseptic action and used poultices of the plants for skin infections and minor wounds. A tisane made from them was also used to treat mouth and throat infections caused by dental caries and gingivitis.

Thymol was first isolated by German chemist Caspar Neumann in 1719. In 1853, French chemist Alexandre Lallemand (1816-1886) named thymol and determined its empirical formula. Thymol was first synthesized by Swedish chemist Oskar Widman (1852-1930) in 1882.

Extraction
The conventional method of extracting is hydro-distillation (HD), but can also be extracted with solvent-free microwave extraction (SFME). In 30 minutes, SFME yields similar amounts of thymol with more oxygenated compounds than 4.5 hours of hydro-distillation at atmospheric pressures without the need for solvent.

Uses

Thymol during the 1910s was the treatment of choice for hookworm infection in the United States. People of the Middle East continue to use za'atar, a delicacy made with large amounts of thyme, to reduce and eliminate internal parasites. It is also used as a preservative in halothane, an anaesthetic, and as an antiseptic in mouthwash. When used to reduce plaque and gingivitis, thymol has been found to be more effective when used in combination with chlorhexidine than when used purely by itself. Thymol is also the active antiseptic ingredient in some toothpastes, such as Johnson & Johnson's Euthymol. Thymol has been used to successfully control varroa mites and prevent fermentation and the growth of mold in bee colonies. Thymol is also used as a rapidly degrading, non-persisting pesticide. Thymol can also be used as a medical disinfectant and general purpose disinfectant. Thymol is also used in the production of menthol through the hydrogenation of the aromatic ring.

List of plants that contain thymol

 * Illicium verum
 * Euphrasia rostkoviana
 * Lagoecia cuminoides
 * Monarda didyma
 * Monarda fistulosa
 * Mosla chinensis
 * Ocimum gratissimum L.
 * Origanum compactum
 * Origanum dictamnus
 * Origanum onites
 * Origanum vulgare
 * Satureja thymbra
 * Thymus glandulosus
 * Thymus hyemalis
 * Thymus serpyllum
 * Thymus praecox
 * Thymus vulgaris
 * Thymus zygis
 * Trachyspermum ammi

Toxicology and environmental impacts
In 2009, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) reviewed the research literature on the toxicology and environmental impact of thymol and concluded that "thymol has minimal potential toxicity and poses minimal risk".

Environmental breakdown and use as a pesticide
Studies have shown that hydrocarbon monoterpenes and thymol in particular degrade rapidly (DT50 16 days in water, 5 days in soil ) in the environment and are, thus, low risks because of rapid dissipation and low bound residues, supporting the use of thymol as a pesticide agent that offers a safe alternative to other more persistent chemical pesticides that can be dispersed in runoff and produce subsequent contamination. Though, there has been recent research into sustained released systems for botanically derived pesticides, such as using natural polysaccharides which would be biodegradable and biocompatible.

Compendial status

 * British Pharmacopoeia
 * Japanese Pharmacopoeia

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Talk:Fail-safe

Sources: from Federal Standard 1037C and from the National Information Systems Security Glossary in support of MIL-STD-188 (moved from main page -  Rossami)

Redirect
Regarding redirect. I mean is this article going to be more than just a list of dictionary definitions? Fail-safe as an idea is well discussed and it makes more sense in safety engineering. -- Taku 00:08, Aug 11, 2004 (UTC)

Failsafe and Safe-off
Fail-Safe and Safe-Off are industry terms that should be defined in the Wiki. This is only place that my search engines found for a definitive definition. If any the site whould be cross referenced and provide additional resources to expand the meaning.

Fail secure link
The link to fail-secure points back here. Either that article should be created or the link removed.

I agree, fail-safe and fail-secure are different things. cyberjacob —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.107.43.158 (talk) 13:37, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Software Does Not Fail
Software Does Not Fail

The following passage in this entry made me cringe: "The automatic protection of programs and/or processing systems when a hardware or software failure is detected in a computer system." Permit me to refer the editing team to the technical screed at http://niquette.com/paul/issue/softwr02.htm -- and, yes, it is an original work; however, the title and its position, which were controversial back in 1996 when the essay was first published on the web, are now standard fare in technical documents and specifications.Paul Niquette (talk) 15:06, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Fail Safe Number
The number, in meta-analytic studies, which ensures the accuracy of the meta-analytic analysis....the number of studies used as the population for meta analysis.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by M2m2m2 (talk • contribs) 20:03, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Defining fail-secure
The introduction to the article goes to great extents of explaining fail-secure.

This leads to confusion and does not provide a clear view of the concept. 88.164.17.243 (talk) 20:20, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Diving watch bezel
Previously the diving watch unidirectional bezel example stated that underestimating time spent at depth would be bad because it would lead to the diver potentially running out of oxygen. Leaving aside the point that the majority of divers do not breathe oxygen at depth (and certainly none do below about 20ft if they want to survive very long) it is standard diving practice to use a submersible pressure gauge, therefore gas consumption is not estimated solely on the basis of time, and a timing error would not lead to unexpected gas depletion. What it would lead to is an inaccurate calculation of the divers decompression obligation and therefore could lead to decompression sickness if the diver ascended on the basis of this erroneous information (either directly to the surface after accidentally exceeding their no-decompression limit, or after decompression stops which are now too short). I have altered the article to reflect this and added a reference (perhaps not the best reference, but I believe it to be adequate for this as it is fairly non-controversial). Equisetum (talk | contributions) 12:23, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Non-engineering fail-safes
Can we consider some evolutionary/biology based fail safes? Their must be some - reflexes for example, or the body's natural response to trauma? Isn't the clotting process a fail safe against bleeding out? It would be good to talk about where the body has and hasn't developed biological fail safes and why these have or haven't developed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by J-E-N-O-V-A (talk • contribs) 00:19, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Definition and examples
First, the article specifically states that a fail-safe is a device in the opening sentence, yet some of the examples, such as carrier-landings being performed with engines at full afterburner, are examples of practices; either they are not examples of a fail-safe, or the definition needs to be changed. I also question whether things like the two dead-man switches are actually "fail-safes"...no part of the device itself is failing. It is protection against operator error only. An airbrake automatically applying when air pressure is lost is, indeed, a fail-safe. Are we going to consider a device protecting against failure of the operator to operate correctly as a "fail-safe"? The practice of calculating the trajectory of the Apollo capsules so they would return to Earth in spite of failure of the insertion motors is another example of "fail-safes" that are not devices. I suppose rather than change the whole article around, I'll simply add "or practice" into the introduction, although I'm not actually sure if that's an accurate definition or not. If not, then someone else can fix it and remove the conflicting examples. AnnaGoFast (talk) 21:54, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

I've had a go at this, and there is no generic fail safe device as such; it is the design which is fail safe, and I have changed the lead accordingly. I have added some other examples, and image, sorted out out various issues and put procedural safety on aircraft carriers where it should be. Still some work to do.Dougsim (talk)

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Cooling failure in computer system
I don't believe that: In the event of cooling failure, the CPU will throttle Is a fail safe system. The system must detect the failure and respond.

I will delay deleting this example pending community responses. DGerman (talk) 02:47, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

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BUCE

Organisations referred to by the letters BUCE appear here:

 * Belarusian Universal Commodity Exchange
 * Birmingham City University

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User:Morwen/towns2

Abingdon, England Banbury, England Bath, England Bedford, England Birmingham, England Boston, England Bradford, England Bristol, England Buckingham, England Cambridge, England Canterbury, England Carlisle, England Cheltenham, England Chichester, England Colchester, England Coventry, England Derby, England Dover, England Durham, England Hartlepool, England Hereford, England Ipswich, England Leeds, England Gloucester, England Guildford Lancaster, England Leicester, England Lewes, England Lincoln, England Liverpool, England Maidstone, England Manchester, England Middlesbrough, England Oakham, England Northampton, England Nottingham, England Oxford, England Penzance, England Portsmouth, England Reading, England Rotherham, England Salisbury, England Sheffield, England Shrewsbury, England Southampton, England Southend, England Stamford, England Sunderland, England Swindon, England Truro, England Warrington, England Worcester, England York, England

Newcastle, England

 * Birmingham, West Midlands Birmingham, Warwickshire
 * Wolverhampton, West Midlands Wolverhampton, Staffordshire

 * Liverpool, Merseyside Liverpool, Lancashire
 * Birkenhead, Merseyside Birkenhead, Cheshire

 * Manchester, Greater Manchester Mancehster, Lancashire

 * Stockport, Greater Manchester Stockport, Cheshire

 * Sheffield, South Yorkshire Sheffield, Yorkshire

 * Rotherham, South Yorkshire Rotherham, Yorkshire

 * Newcastle, Tyne and Wear Newcastle, Northumberland

 * Sunderland, Tyne and Wear Sunderland, County Durham

What's this?
That's this list of touwn for? Prompt for you to create? I was just going round pointing Guildford, England to Guildford as this is the article about the town. --Kylet 00:34, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:Doreen Valiente

Valiente's Autobiography
Hutton is hardly a reliable source since he often reads into or misrepresents his sources as revealed by Ben Whitmore in "Trials of the Moon." I have read Doreen's autobiography, and she does not undermine Wicca as a survival. Why cite an untrustworthy historian such as Hutton when one can cite and even quote from the direct source itself: The Rebirth of Witchcraft, by Doreen Valiente?! Contrary to Hutton's position, if I may digress, he admits in his book, "Witches, Druids and King Arthur" that as he was writing "Triumph of the Moon" he was both unable to prove the modernity of Wicca, and that he had discovered and intentionally ignored evidence tethering Wicca to pre-Christian paganism because it would have disproved the argument he was overly concerned with; therefore, "Triumph of the Moon" is an exercise in Confirmation Bias! Something else Wiccans don't like to confront is, when Hutton's arguments are taken to their logical conclusions, Wicca is nothing more than a direct off-shoot of Christianity. Hutton insists that all scholars who describe a goddess as a "Mother Goddess" are projecting the Virgin Mary onto their source data; there are no Dying-and-Rising gods other than Christ; the Horned God is nothing but a reimagining of Jesus; and that his thesis has always been that Wicca extracted the pagan elements of of Christianity, which Hutton refuses to acknowledge as being of an authentic provenance. Therefore, what other conclusion can one reach after reading "Triumph of the Moon"! But, the trouble is that Hutton never openly disclosed his thesis in "Triumph of the Moon," he only explained it in an article, which few Pagans have ever read. 70.39.20.64 (talk) 05:02, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

 * Hutton is one of the most respected scholars on the topic of witchcraft. Ben Whitmore is not a scholarly source and while that does not render his criticisms of Hutton necessarily invalid, I think it does make them unreliable for the purposes of Wikipedia.
 * If you have reliable sources that suggest Valiente was misquoted or misrepresented, those can be added, but Hutton shouldn't be removed just because his work has been poorly received by non-academics. 2603:7081:1603:A300:B963:EFA:D2CE:C8FD (talk) 00:02, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

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