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Wrong Photo
The photo captioned "Miami skyline as used for Season 1 Title Card" shows the American Airlines Arena, which broke ground in 1998 and opened in 1999. If the show ran from 1985-1992, how is this correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.110.130.226 (talk) 21:02, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Split/Merger proposal for "List of The Golden Girls characters"

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The "Characters" section of "The Golden Girls" may be long enough to stand on its own. However, I'm not sure if that meets Manual of Style/Writing about fiction guidelines. However, four stand-alone articles of main characters is into question with maintenance tags that I inserted; this is the reason for merge. If you don't agree with this proposal, how about merging with the main article? --Gh87 (talk) 05:14, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

 * Merge. The existing character articles are too long and full to bursting with uncited fancruft and original research.  Bundling them together may prove to be more manageable. -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 13:52, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The fact that the articles are in need of much work is not a compelling reason for an unnecessary merger. I'd suggest working to improve the articles, rather than slapping 5 or 6 tags on each one. Joefromrandb (talk) 21:00, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * With 2 responses total since 9-18, I think it's fair to consider this proposal dead and move on. Joefromrandb (talk) 12:54, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

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Robert Picardo
The article has an extensive list of celebrities who appeared on the show, but Robert Picardo is not listed. See his IMDB page here: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000585/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.164.20.33 (talk) 08:53, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Bea Author/Betty White Animosity
I wonder if this page shouldn't mention the animosity between Bea Arthur and Betty White which has been well publicized? StoneProphet11 (talk) 21:26, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

 * My thought is, this relationship is at least mentioned on the articles about the show characters I saw. This article as it looks now, seems to follow the structure used for similar TV shows with just a brief discussion of the overall show as the synopsis, with more details on the characters on their pages. Just my two cents Countryjudge (talk) 18:26, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Why was Park Overall was supposed to have a guest spot in the golden girls. but sence was edited out.
hi guys Dfrr here. i saw Park Overall was supposed to appear in the golden girls but the sence was edited out for the frist airing on NBC why is that?Dfrr (talk) 09:23, 20 April 2015 (UTC) (Talk to me:-))

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I added two things to the article: →Added under format section that Bea Arthur actually hated cheesecake. →Added under casting section that Estelle Getty's suffered from stage fright. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sschlo1 (talk • contribs) 20:26, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Critique
Is the article neutral? Are there any claims, or frames, that appear heavily biased toward a particular position? I believe the article is neutral in terms of a fairly detailed summary of the show. There is a focus on characters and not plot lines of the show.

Are there viewpoints that are overrepresented, or underrepresented?If one wanted to they could perhaps add more detail about the show by season instead of looking at such as a series. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaish200 (talk • contribs) 19:17, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Names of Dorothy/Sophia and Blanche's relatives confirmed?
Can anyone identify the episodes in which the alleged names of Dorothy and Blanche's relatives are mentioned? Most notably, I've seen here and elsewhere Dorothy's sister referred to variously as Mayston or Harker and Blanche's sister Virginia given the married name of Wylde, and Sophia given the maiden name of Grisanti with no attribution to any episode of the show or "Word of God" confirmation from anyone connected with the show itself. If these names can't be substantiated by the show, they should probably be deleted. 2602:306:CE2D:9210:9CF9:B44C:F02A:B4EF (talk) 22:03, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I've seen every episode Lord knows how many times. And I don't recall any of those surnames. Could be that it didn't penetrate the same way the jokes do that I recall so well. But I say stick to first names unless they can be 100% verified, and when I say that, I am not referring to IMDb cast lists.--Cinemaniac86Dane_Cook_Hater_Extraordinaire 00:25, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * It seems like they're just plain made up; these alleged names of Petrillo/Zbornak/Hollingsworth/Deveraux relatives litter this page and the character pages as well to a ridiculous degree. In the absence of any confirmation, they should go. 2602:306:CE2D:9210:9CF9:B44C:F02A:B4EF (talk) 18:36, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Let's be honest: The only surnames we ever really hear throughout the show are the many Nylund/Lindstrom relatives and neighbors, haha. Gerkleknerbaagen(hoffstefenfrau) and so forth....As long as their first names are grouped together under the right Golden Girl, that'll suffice.--Cinemaniac86Dane_Cook_Hater_Extraordinaire 22:08, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I have no recollection of these names, including Grisanti, which an IP editor keeps restoring lately. Some of the television reruns are edited down to fit in more commercials, so perhaps it's possible that the maiden name Grisanti was mentioned in an episode before being cut out, but I'm doubtful as the name doesn't seem to be in any reliable sources. Anyone know for sure? AJFU  (talk) 16:14, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Thoughts on creating a separate page for a full list of main, recurring, and guest characters?
I think there are enough family members and friends of the main 4 that warrant there being a separate page. Instead of mentioning just those who are recurring, we can combine all the Petrillo/Zbornak relatives, the Hollingsworth/Deveraux family members, and the Nylund/Lindstrom people into their own respective sections. This way, we can briefly discuss the characterizations of characters such as Dorothy's brother Phil, whom we never see (like Maris on Frasier, Stan on Will & Grace, et al.) but is a character in his own right. This can also allow us to describe characters like Rose's mother, who made a single appearance; Blanche's father, who made 2 appearances featuring 2 different actors; and so forth. And then of course, exes like Stan, the most notable character outside of the core 4. Thoughts?--Cinemaniac86Dane_Cook_Hater_Extraordinaire 03:20, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

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Hello. I'd like to propose adding Stanley's time as a novelty salesman as well as his success with his Zborny invention to his section under recurring character.

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Should a new section about the show's continuity issues be added?
Hi all, I feel that the show had many continuity issues, as many comedies do, and want to add a section that would highlight the various continuity issues throughout the show's seven season run.Mr.MikeAnderson889 (talk) 16:46, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Do you have sufficient sources for such a section? Dimadick (talk) 09:04, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Lindström
If Rose is a Norwegian-American, wouldn’t her name be written as Lindstrøm not Lindström? 2A01:799:1660:D300:A143:B76C:5E05:E227 (talk) 23:43, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

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Meaning of "simple"
The article has the sentence "It is the simplest hydrocarbon containing more than one carbon atom."

Not quite sure what "simplest" means here... acetylene would seem simpler in having fewer hydrogens.

Opinions?

Depends on how you define it. Ethane has only sp3 hybrid orbitals, therefore only equivalent σ bonds, whereas acetylene has σ and π bonds, giving a more complicated electronic configuration. I would keep it the way it is. Dr. Strangelove 09:01, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I agree, it depends on how you define it. And, also, it depends on why you define it. My guess is that the author was trying to say something to non-scientists, and to readers in that group, who don't know chemical bond types, numbers seem crucial to simplicity. But I'm not a mindreader (or a chemist), and don't have a stake in the outcome. Fg2 10:22, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Density
Ummm, maybe this is just me and my humble background, but I doubt that ethane is 548 kg/m^3 as a gas. These pages REALLY need consistant units (from ethane to methane to propane etc.)

- I've corrected the density to 1.212 kg/m^3. This is from the www.airliquide.com gas data for ethane, 1.013 bar and 15 deg C. Evand 20:10, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Ethane on Titan
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Ethane_clouds_found_on_Titan I was thinking this might be rellevant to the article, as Titan and it's Ethane is mentioned and discussed breifly? --217.78.21.25 08:26, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

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having had some Transformer oil tested the results --2013 is 66ppm---2015 is 79ppm, what could be generating this increase ? Tony.B.203.161.9.172 (talk) 23:32, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
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The 21:51, 27 May 2009 75.159.246.88 version of this article is translated into Chinese Wikipedia.--Wing (talk) 20:54, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Confusing sentence
This article contains the sentence:

"It is the only two-carbon alkane that is an aliphatic hydrocarbon."

While technically correct, I find it confusing: isn't ethane the only two-carbon alkane, period? Alkanes are only allowed to have C and H and simple bonds, right? Aliphatic means the same as non-aromatic - i.e. no carbon rings, right? Isn't it true that there are no aromatic alkanes, much less ones with too few carbons to make a ring?

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Yes, that confused me too. And why would anyone care, anyway? Thirteenangrymen (talk) 00:05, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree. The sentence is confusing and conveys no useful information, so I have removed it.  ChemNerd (talk) 12:31, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Structure section
I was thinking of adding a section on the structure of ethane, after the History section and before the Chemistry one, as is the case for most of our articles on chemical compounds. It would have a brief description of ethane as a simple example of an organic compound with a carbon-carbon bond and tetrahedral sp3 hybridised carbon atoms. It could include comparison with related species such as disilane (Si2H6), ethylene (C2H4) and acetylene (C2H2).

I would include the image below that was removed from the info box a few years ago without comment, but presumably because it was too technical for casual readers. An interesting aspect of the molecular geometry of ethane is that the C-C-H angle deviates from the ideal tetrahedral angle of 109.5° found in perfectly symmetrical tetrahedral molecules such as methane.

Any comments? --Ben (talk) 16:28, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

 * I think molecular geometry is a good addition to simple molecules' articles. It clearly illustrates each of the basic types of atoms/bonds you mention, without becoming overly complicated by a more complex molecule. I agree it might be too technical for the infobox (but the infoxbox can host several images with different styles or types of detail...see Benzene for what I think is the pendulum swinging too far in that other direction). DMacks (talk) 17:42, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

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Wrong units for density
The density units (kg/m−3) are wrong. Either use kg/m^3 or kg m^−3 Michael McGinnis (talk) 18:55, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Etymology of "ethane"
I removed a sentence saying that the prefix "eth-" was derived from ethanol, which wasn't supported by anything (the sentence was also misedited in ). Wiktionary says it comes from the German "Äthyl" or from "ether", and "ether" comes from Latin and/or Ancient Greek. Can someone elaborate and add a solid explanation in the article? ElementSix (talk) 20:36, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Titan
Is there is water on Titan? It's my doubt for long year 49.15.220.113 (talk) 15:41, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Jin Yong

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I've taken the liberty of re-categorising the previous talk page, as a lot of very interesting discussions are difficult to find because of the lack of headings.--Alexio 09:24, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Intro section minor edit
His books are translated into a lot of different languages, I see no reason why his name in vietnamese is of any particular significance. Only his English and Chinese name belong here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.168.216.246 (talk) 10:18, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Addressing Jinyong in different contexts
There are two bits of information that I like to add but need confirmation from people who studied his work.

1. Almost all of his wuxia novels were written for the daily column in Ming Pao initially. i.e. daily segments were published while in progress. The book form of his novels are re-edited from these daily writings into more cohesive epics later. Only the true fans of his know how the story changed from the newspaper daily installments version to the book version.

2. He only used his pen name for his novels. He used his real name for his role as the chief editor of Ming Pao and when involved in Hong Kong politics. i.e. He used different names for his serious roles vs. his literature work.

Kowloonese

 * Although I cannot find independent source. I know that both of them are true.

 * SYSS Mouse 16:48, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * For #1, I read about that in his own words in some appendix of one of his novel. The only uncertain part is how many of his novels were written that way.  For #2, anyone who lives in Hong Kong can confirm how he present himself in the polical circle.  Kowloonese 20:52, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

List of characters/martial art schools
I like the list of characters and martial art schools. Since his work was heavily based on history, it would be nice to include a list of all the dynasties covered in his novels. Many minority groups and geography were covered by the stories. The latter list is not easy to build because of the difference in transliteration and some names were based on ancient usage. It would be a project on its own to link those information to other wikipedia articles. For example even the queen of Russia was mentioned in his last novel. Kowloonese 00:27, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * I'll try to add something like that... -- ran [[User talk:Ran|(talk)]] 22:03, Sep 10, 2004 (UTC) (loving wuxia and loving everything by Jinyong)

It makes no sense why certain characters are included here and not others. Minor characters like 剑神卓不凡 (sword deity zhuo byfan) is a minor character in one novel yet has a lengthy (relatively) section devoted to him. This article is about the author, his life, and his works. I think we should think about move/delete them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.168.216.246 (talk) 10:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Demigod/Semigod?
Demigod was changed to Semigod. I think the latter is not an English word.
 * It's a title, and an established one at that. Your other changes were erroneous as well, so they were reverted. Update: That was directed at the one who changed it. --Taoster 22:55, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * I didn't make that change. I was just pointing out the recent change that didn't even make sense.  I raised to your attention because I am not a Jinyong expert.  Demigod was a good word, but someone changed it to a non-English word semigod.  I noticed you have already reverted the change.  Thanks.
 * Can confirm usual translation of the title is Demigods and Semi Devils. Simonm223 (talk) 16:27, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Character names in different languages
As a non-chinese-speaking person, I found difficult to read the whole page (including the detail of his work). One of the factor is there are many version of the character names. For example, Guo Jing is more known as Kwee Ceng (Hokkien) in my country (Indonesia) or Yang Guo is more popular as Yo Ko, etc. Would somebody write all version of the names? Thanks Kunderemp 16:53, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Yang Guo got two different moms (before and after the major revision)... anyone wanna mention that? I don't have the name of the old mom in mandarin (before revision).Suredeath 05:56, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Her name was Qin Nan-Qin (秦南琴). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Photo
This page is in desperate need of a photo. I'm sure a photo would be fair use? 165.21.154.111 19:09, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * We need photos here. Maybe one on the author, another on characters portrayed on TV, and a couple on HK, Taiwanese or SE Asian editions of his books.  Any input will be vastly appreciated. Mandel 11:42, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Book covers are available under fair use, right? In that case it's easy to find pictures:

-- ran (talk) 14:02, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Timeline
Timeline: I disagree with DGSD being listed in the 12th century. This novel occursÕ in the 10th or 11th century (I can't remember which one). I've seen a detailed thread on the novel timelines in the Jinyong Teahouse board. If someone knows specifically whether it's in the 10th or 11th century, please change the article.

EDIT: I doublechecked. DGSD occurs in the late 11th century.

http://jinyong.ylib.com/snowtalk/show.asp?ch=genuine&no=25621

I have changed the DGSD timeline, and added the timeline for BiXieJian. Please don't wipe out my changes unless you have sources to back you up.

Anyway, the timeline is missing some novels. I don't have time to doublecheck and change the table now. I'll leave it to someone more capable.

--LWC

 * The story can't happen in 10th or 11th century (note 10th century was years 901 to 1000). — Yaohua2000 00:33, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I just added a footnote regarding the timeline of A Deadly Secret. It really would make much more sense (given the information provided in the novel) for the novel to occur in the Sung or Ming Dynasties if you ignore JY's note about his grandpa's servant and the pictorials in the novel. However, since there is evidence to support either case, I would like to leave the timeline as being ambiguous. --LWC

Cambridge
I read in the South China Morning Post that Cha is currently a doctoral student at Cambridge. I confirmed it with these links - http://www.joh.cam.ac.uk/johnian/events/regional/ http://www.newsgd.com/culture/art/200506230034.htm Unfortunately the SCMP story is not online and the St. John's events page is not stable - so I didnt include these refs in the main article Bwithh 16:42, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

"supporting characters"
I hope the authors won't mind, but I've changed the "supporting characters" category to the "Top five martial artists" (五绝). Whilst there's no doubt those five are just supporting characters, it seems strange to only include them into the "supporting characters" category - there must be hundreds of such characters in Jinyong's novels, and obviously it's impractical to incorporate them all. Any suggestions feel free to discuss.--Alexio 05:20, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Pinyin names for characters
Can I get some consensus here: should we regard Pinyin or English-translated names as "official" in Jinyong-related articles?

For example, should it be Jiangnan Qi Guai (江南七怪) or The Seven Freaks of Jiangnan? (I've written up the page as the former, but if the consensus favours the latter, I'm happy to change it.)

This should apply to characters, groups, sects/schools, locations and martial arts techniques (eg. is it Xianglong Shi Ba Zhang (降龙十八掌) or 18 Dragon-Subduing Palms?).--Alexio 09:24, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Jinyong in gaming
I changed the title of the article to "Jinyong in Video-game entertainment", since "gaming" has a connotation to gambling, which is obviously not what the author originally intended. Also it's a big claim to call the game a "forefather" to Chinese RPGs - I've "mildened" the language and asked for a citation. If anyone can add that information or expand that would be appreciated.--Alexio 02:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

The Heavenly Sword and the Dragon Saber
Someone commented: ''Long suspected the title to be wrong - shouldn't it be "SABRE"? Can someone with a copy of the novel please turn to the publication details page and check?'' -- 202.20.5.206

According to dictionary.com, sabre is just the British spelling. Book on Amazon.com also.

-- mh 12:25, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

 * THE Amazon link features "sabre" - actually is that even an official edition?

 * Anyway, when it comes to books and other intellectual property, it's not about "dictionary definitions" or "that's just an Americanism" - the OFFICIAL published name should always be used, and that can be easily be confirmed by turning to the publication details page (near the end of the last volume for Jinyong novels, I think). Can any true Jinyong fan please do that and correct the error - if any? (For goodness' sake, the market is already flooded with dubious works such as 《嘯傲江湖》by people like “金鏞” or “今庸”!)202.20.5.206 20:17, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Just to add - there most certainly are official English names included in the original Chinese-language novels published by 明河社.202.20.5.206 20:40, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

 * I tried searching at Amazon.com, but all I could find were comic-book adaptations. --Kjoonlee 08:25, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

 * It's rather ironic that the official English titles can only be found in the original Chinese-language novels themselves(or so it seems). Thanks for the effort anyway! (Actually it won't take more than a few seconds for those eleven or twelve people who do have a copy at hand right now.)202.20.5.206 08:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Need English translation of titles
Could someone who reads/speaks Chinese take a look at the list of fictional (imaginary) books that appear in Jinyong's works, and supply English translations? Thanks :) --Bookgrrl 02:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Links
It seems this link has been taken down: http://www.fmsnp.edu.hk/teaching/novel/jinyong/us.my95.net/b5/book/xia/jinyong/jinyong.html

 * There are too many external links to websites which provides nothing much other than the complete text of Louis Cha's works, probably in violation of his copyrights. These links are neither reliable sources or in conformant with WP:LINKS. Time to clean them up. --John Seward 16:46, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * After some review I think it's safe to remove all the external links on the article, and I've done so already. --John Seward 15:22, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Chunking Central University
Can anyone provide a source to support the claim that Jinyong study at "Chunking Central University"? From this Google search, I am doubtful whether this institution exists at all... --John Seward 15:31, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Title Change
Hi, I oppose the change in the title of the article from Jinyong to Louis Cha Leung Yung (Jinyong). I feel that the new title is inappropriate because there is no standard language in the title. Louis Cha is English, Jinyong is a hanyu pinyin translation from his Chinese pseudonym, while Leung Yung is cantonese? I suggest a revert back to the old title of Jinyong, which is not only easier to find, but more widely accepted. --mh 17:39, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, why was it changed? He was best known as Jinyong, not Louis Cha.Suredeath 18:09, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

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Number of Books Sold
How many of his books have been sold. Someone changed it to 30 million based on the Chinese article, but the English article #4 Louis Cha Awarded French Honor of Arts says that he has sold 300 million copies around the world making the currents numbers seem too small. Does anyone know the actual amount?--76.208.27.154 22:23, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Frankly, either of those two are plausible. There are still LOADS of illegal copies of his works being sold.Suredeath 23:06, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

 * This source claims 100 million from ~2000. As it is the only verifiable source I'm aware of...I'll replace it in the article for now.  http://www.iht.com/articles/2000/06/20/melvin.t.php?page=2  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tendancer (talk • contribs).

Dugu Qiu Bai
I believe he actually does appear in The Smiling, Proud Wanderer. Several adaptations of the book in different drama/series have shown his appearance. I cannot confirm this in his novels, as I have not actually read them. But, if someone can, please confirm this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.187.189.205 (talk) 00:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

No, he never appears.Suredeath 02:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

No, he never appear but the person is Feng Qing Yang. 19 March 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.11.134.217 (talk) 08:18, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

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Huang Shang
I suggest that the section of Huang Shang be deleted. He was mentioned in ONE novel, and frankly he's not a famous character at all.Suredeath (talk) 16:24, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was Not moved.  Ron h jones (Talk) 23:36, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Jin Yong → Louis Cha — "Jin Yong" is Cha's pen name and not his "official" name. To Chinese-speaking communities, he is better known as Jin Yong, but to Westerners, he is better known as "Louis Cha" instead. Anyway, this is English Wikipedia, so I think it might be better if he's addressed as "Louis Cha". If I did not remember wrongly, Cha mentioned in an interview or something that he prefers to be addressed as "Mr. Louis Cha" instead of "Mr. Jin Yong" or whatever. I can't remember where I read that from. Anyone would like to help me find the source for that claim? --_LDS (talk) 08:28, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Strong oppose, 金庸(查良鏞), belong to Chinese world. Whatever westerner can call him, to Chinese, he is JIn Yong, or 金大俠. Millions of Chinese read his novels during adolescence(including me), so Jin Yong played a huge part in the life of millions of Chinese. And Jin Yong's books are still read by millions of Chinese, and his book are still being turned into movies.

Louis Cha is unknown, and alien to majority of Chinese. I know this is English wikipedia, but there are many examples such as Kowtow, it would be wrong to try to change it into something else.  Arilang   talk  13:29, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Cha does not "belong" to the Chinese world only. He is a human being living on Earth just like any one of us. You've any evidence to support your claim that "Louis Cha is unknown and alien to majority of Chinese"? Why is it wrong to try and change it to something else, when that "something else" does not carry a literal meaning? Jin Yong is a pen name (筆名) and not the writer's actual name. Changing "Jin Yong" to "Louis Cha" is not tantamount to giving the writer a totally new name. What about your point that Jin Yong plays a very significant role in the lives of millions of Chinese? Yes, his works do have an impact on a lot of areas, so what? "Kowtow" is a word of Chinese (or Cantonese) origin that is accepted into the English language. How is it relevant in this case? _LDS (talk) 16:09, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Kowtow may be a bad example, let me try another one, just to prove my point:Soong May-ling is known as Madame Chiang Kai-shek in the West, please try to do the same thing with Soong May-ling, and see what happens. In the Chinese world, all Chinese know her as Soong May-ling, so Soong May-ling stay, regardless of what westerners called her. Chinese readers all know that Jin Yong (金庸) is just a pen name, so what? In the old times, Chinese scholars were known to have many names anyway. In this case, the pen name is more well known than the real name, so the pen name is to be used.  Arilang   talk  22:05, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

 * I wouldn't even think about moving Soong May-ling to Madame Chiang Kai-shek. "Soong May-ling" was her maiden name (or birth name) before her marriage to Chiang Kai-shek. "Madame Chiang" (or "Mrs. Chiang") is a more formal way of addressing her. Who says Westerners know Soong May-ling as "Madame Chiang Kai-shek" only? Have you conducted any research on this? Maybe you can go onto the streets of a Western country and ask any passerby, "Do you know who's Soong May-ling?" or "Do you know who's Madame Chiang Kai-shek"? The passerby may answer "No." to the first question, but "Yes, the wife of a man called Chiang Kai-shek." to the second question, and maybe he/she does not even know who Chiang Kai-shek is. You can try that in another country with a significant Chinese-speaking population, such as Singapore or Malaysia, and you may get the same response. Anyway, Soong May-ling's case is not relevant to the current discussion so why bring it up in the first place? The main crux of your argument is that "Jin Yong" is more familiar to (exclusively) Chinese audiences than "Louis Cha" so "Louis Cha" is not acceptable as the title for the page. It's exactly the same point as your earlier response and you're simply repeating it again in another form. Do you have any statistics to prove that majority of readers (not only Chinese-speaking ones) know the writer better as "Jin Yong" than "Louis Cha"? Making unsupported claims will not make your case stronger. Neither will that get you any further than simply paraphrasing the same point over and over again with new (somewhat irrelevant) examples. _LDS (talk) 06:37, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Moving Jin Yong to Louis Cha is wrong, that is my argument, and citing examples is just to prove my point. In case you are still not convinced, Ba Jin, do you know what his real name is? And more to the point, do any of his readers care what his real name is? Arilang   talk  06:53, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

 * It's a POV thing between you and me, judging from the current situation, since neither of us is able to convince the other. Let's listen to what other editors have to say. To answer your last question: Yes, I read Cha's works and I do care what his real name is. _LDS (talk) 07:11, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

A interview transcript and an article

 * Please take a look at these websites:
 * 2002 Louis Cha Interview
 * 金庸荣获“2008影响世界华人终身成就奖”

From the first website:
 * R: Hi Mr. Louis Cha, no..Jin Daxia. I’m more willing to address you as Jin Daxia, is that okay?

 * JY: (laughed): I can accept it as long as it is used to label a Wuxia novelist who sells his book well. However I must insist that you call me Daxia only because I allow it and not because I have Daxia's qualities!

 * R: You use your real name at official events and functions and you have a pen name for the novels, but for readers, you’re forever the Jin Daxia . Every move you make attracts attention, for example you were unwell recently and readers expressed their concerns. You look fine now.

From the second website: 金庸本名查良镛，金庸只是笔名，相熟的人称呼他“查先生”，或“查大侠”，'''对“金先生”的称谓，他不太认可. ''' Rough translation of the quoted text from the second website: Jin Yong's real name is Zha Liangyong, "Jin Yong" is only his pen name. Those who are familiar with him address him as "Mr. Zha" or "Great Hero Zha". He does not approve of being addressed as "Mr Jin (Yong)".

The author appears to prefer being addressed as "Mr. Louis Cha", as he uses his real name at official events and functions. He uses his pen name only (or more often) when writing his novels. Shall we proceed with the move to the new title for the page? _LDS (talk) 15:34, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Please do not move until a consensus is reached. Arilang   talk  15:49, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

 * I oppose the move. Colipon+ (Talk) 16:02, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * May I know your reason for opposing the move? _LDS (talk) 05:29, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

 * strong oppose the move. Jin Yong is a devoted Buddhist, the name Louis is a Christian name, would suggest that he is a Christian. I do not know why he call himself Louis Cha, but in the West,  Christian names is a serious subject.

金庸皈依佛教的心路歷程  Arilang   talk  00:51, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Who says someone having a Christian name implies that he/she is a Christian? I suggest you read this line carefully. I've a Christian name as well, but I'm a free thinker. I know of some Buddhists who have so-called "Christian names". And I don't think you need to know why he calls himself "Louis Cha", just as I don't need to know why Arilang1234 chooses "Arilang1234" for a username. How serious is Christian names a subject in the West? _LDS (talk) 05:29, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Maybe one of you can contact Jin Yong via email through his official website or something and ask for his opinion? 218.186.8.241 (talk) 08:05, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Does Cha even reveal his office number or official email on the Net? I haven't found any means of contacting him after running searches on a few different search engines. I believe his office is in Hong Kong? Would any Wikipedian based in Hong Kong like to help in finding out how to contact him or anyone who can represent him (eg: spokesman, personal secretary)? Of course, an endorsement or something like that is needed for verifiability. I believe his opinion will certainly bring a conclusion to the discussion, if we can get it. _LDS (talk) 10:07, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

 * "Jin Yong" here is clearly the common-sense solution. At least the Google test shows that it garners significantly more results than "Louis Cha". It's the name that fans will search for and it basically meets all the criteria of WP:COMMONNAME. It is established convention that for famous authors, we use their pen names instead of their personal names. Mark Twain, for example. I also noticed that an editor went around and changed all in-article references of "Jin Yong" to "Louis Cha". Could they kindly revert these changes unless a consensus has been arrived at here? They were premature. Colipon+ (Talk) 12:12, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

 * I'm still not convinced but I wouldn't want to start an edit war. I'll change the "Louis Cha" on the novels' pages back to "Jin Yong", but only on the novels' pages and pages related to the novels. Anything else, I think it'd be "Louis Cha". Does that please everybody? _LDS (talk) 12:22, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

 * I hate being prickly on issues like this because I know some editors have already put great effort in streamlining those references, but if you note on his official biography, he is referred to as "Jin Yong". Therefore I don't see a reason why we would not use "Jin Yong". Colipon+ (Talk) 12:53, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

 * Very well, "Jin Yong" it shall be, for his novels and related pages. I'm still not convinced on a personal basis, but since majority of the participants in this discussion oppose the move, I guess the title shall stay. This page is in Chinese. It'd be more convincing if you can find an official biography in English that refers to the author as "Jin Yong". I still think that "Louis Cha" would be more appropriate as the title for this page since it's in line with Cha's personal preference. In my personal opinion, using "Louis Cha" as the title for this page is, at the very least, showing respect to Cha. _LDS (talk) 13:13, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Oppose per Google search results comparison. Tavatar (talk) 20:39, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
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Links to schools in Taiwan
Several of the wikilinks to schools attended by Jin Yong point to schools in Taiwan. I don't know anything about Jin Yong's biography, but I suspect he did not attend schools in Taiwan. I know it's tricky because schools that were in mainland China "forked" to Taiwan when the Nationalists ended up in Taiwan... Still it's confusing. Where was the Soochow Law school that Jin Yong attended, for example? Seems worth specifying. --Kai Carver (talk) 03:41, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

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DOB
Please provide reliable source for his DOB (March 10 or other version), and better use publication before 2017. Moreover, people mix up the Xth month of lunar calender with western calender, thus state the date carefully or quote the full sentence from the source. Matthew hk (talk) 09:25, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

 * In zh-wiki, they use this source from 2014 as citation. However, the DOB was added to zh-wiki without citation long before 2014. So, it may had issue of circular referencing even the url is a newspaper website. Matthew hk (talk) 10:35, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

 * And before 2010, the date in zh-wiki article was stated as 6 February. Interesting fact, the 6th day of the 2nd month of lunar calender in 1924, is 10 March. Matthew hk (talk) 10:39, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Language and character names
Different wiki pages refer to characters in Chinese and Cantonese interchangeably. This seems extremely confusing; see for instance Guo Jing's page. Given that this is the English wikipedia, I think it would be best if characters were named according to the official translation (if there is one), with Chinese/pinyin afterwards. Does anyone else have any opinions on this? If not, I'll make some edits. CohenTheBohemian (talk) 15:38, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Tone/Pronunciation of Surname 查 in Cantonese
If the Mandarin reading of 查 as a surname is Zha1, it's likely the Cantonese is also Zaa1 as a surname. Wiktionary doesn't seem to distinguish the uses for Cantonese but does list both pronunciations, but the two online dictionaries by the Chinese University of Hong Kong indicate the pronunciation of Zaa1 as the surname. https://humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/Lexis/lexi-can/ https://humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/Lexis/lexi-mf/

Can anyone who has access or can navigate Cantonese-language media confirm whether Caa4 or Zaa1 is the correct reading as used by either Jin Yong himself or official Cantonese-language media? Wandering Maiden (talk) 19:25, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

 * I should really have looked this up myself first lol
 * Can confirm, at least one documentary/interview in Cantonese uses Caa4; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyaUEFUgY1s&t=763s
 * Although, Jin Yong appears to not be a fluent Cantonese speaker and instead his native speech is some Wu topolect, so it may not be how he pronounces his own surname. Wandering Maiden (talk) 19:47, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Born Date
There are 2 different informations about his birthday. the first paragraph said Feb 6, but Early Life section said March 10. i Want to edit it, but afraid that someone will revert it, so i ask here first :p A tumiwa (talk) 11:13, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Yuzu

Hiragana or katakana
My Iwanami dictionary has yuzu in hiragana, not katakana. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fg2 (talk • contribs).

 * Your dictionary is wrong. In scientific contexts the names of plants and animals, when not spelled in kanji, are always in katakana in Japanese. Jpatokal 11:12, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * That statement is presumptuous, untrue, and irrelevant. The dictionary is not wrong, because words for plants and animals are not always used in a "scientific context". I've often seen in "yuzu" spelled in hiragana. Boneyard90 (talk) 21:14, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

 * English words are often written in all caps, doesn't mean we should be entering them in Wikipedia that way. The scientific name is katakana and the 'formal' name (for lack of a better word) is kanji. See also ja:ユズ. Jpatokal (talk) 00:10, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

 * I understand what you're saying with the all-caps comparison, though I don't think it's fully apt here. Hiragana is used for yuzu (and other plants, fruits, animals) to re-affirm that it is a part of Japan, or the constructed reality of Japanese culture; that "Japanese-ness" has been imparted on it, despite its origin. By way of example, look at the photo of the yuzu-vinegar in the article: yuzu is spelled in hiragana. I've seen the same for ninniku, shoga, and other products, on bottles and in menus. Therefore, the dictionary is not wrong, and these words are not "always" in either kanji or katakana. (By the way, good job in keeping up with this article after seven years!) Boneyard90 (talk) 05:08, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

 * Yes, my remark back in 2004 was a little strongly worded... but point is, I don't feel it's necessary to include the hiragana here, and the Japanese Wikipedia seems to agree.  The original reason for my annoyance was probably that many Japan-themed Wikipedia articles seem to include random hiragana because that's all the otaku writing them can read, but that doesn't mean we need kana for every げいしゃ and とよとみひでよし out there. Jpatokal (talk) 10:03, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

 * On that point, I agree. Boneyard90 (talk) 12:50, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Chinese name
If Chinese 柚子 is pomelo, not yuzu, then what is the Chinese name for what is called yuzu in Japanese (and which apparently originally came from China, and still grows wild in some parts of China, but is generally not grown commercially there)? And why do Japanese use the characters for pomelo to describe their yuzu? This is all important to discuss instead of/before just removing interwikis from the article. Badagnani 19:47, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Shogakukan's Chinese-Japanese dictionary says Chinese "香橙" means yuzu and "柚子" means pomelo. Shogakukan's Japanese-Chinese dictionary says yuzu is "柚" or "柚子" in Chinese. Sanseido's Daily Concise C-J says Chinese "香橙" means daidai and "柚" means pomelo. Sanseido's J-C says yuzu is "柚" or "柚子" in Chinese. Gakken's kanji dictionary says "柚" now refers to pomelo and Japanese name "yuzu" came from "柚子". Heibonsha World Encyclopedia says Chinese "柚" now refers to pomelo. --163.139.215.193 13:19, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Meld with Bitter Orange
Citrus aurantium is the same thing as yuzu and bitter orange. The two should be combined.--208.0.20.2 18:55, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Citrus varieties, even within the same species, are often not the same fruit.  The yuzu/yuja may be part of the same species but it's a distinct variety with distinct cultural uses.  Keep as is.  Badagnani 19:00, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Yeah, radish and daikon are both Raphanus sativus, but they have different articles. —Keenan Pepper 20:28, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

>University of Melbourne Multilingual Multiscript plant taxonomy resourcehttp://www.plantnames.unimelb.edu.au/Sorting/Citrus.htmlProceedings of the Global Citrus Germplasm Network, 7-8 December 2000, Appendix 7, Pg. 2, subheading 4http://www.lal.ufl.edu/societies/ISC/gcgn/Appendix_7.PDFUniversity of Georgia College of Agricultural and Environmental SciencesExtension newsletter: "Timely Tips for the Landscape and Garden", March-April 2002, see article Citrus for the South: Citrus Ichangensis and its Hybridshttp://pubs.caes.uga.edu/caespubs/horticulture/Tip/MarTT2002.htm Even without that, you can look at a yuzu plant next to a sour orange (aurantium) plant and see a glaring range of dissimilarities, far outside what you would ever see within a single species (completely different leaf forms, fruit with completely different shape, size, rind, and seed shape; looking at a yuzu, it's actually very similar to a small, yellow, lumpy mandarin). I'm horrified that C. aurantium has made it this far in the Yuzu entry. I'm removing it preemptively. Unfortunately, I cannot find a naming authority for the C. ichangensis x reticulata nomenclature so that will have to wait for someone else. Sorry if this entry has been a little heated but this is my baby. :-( Krnntp 19:12, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I cannot find *any* material to suggest that Yuzu is a variety of Citrus aurantium (sour orange) outside of Wikipedia. The classifications I am familiar with are Citrus junos Sieb. ex Tanaka and the opposing view that Yuzu is a mandarin / ichandarin hybrid, Citrus ichangensis x Citrus reticulata var. austera. I would love to know how the "aurantium" originally made it into this article. I have been a citrus hobbyist for years and Yuzu has always been my special focus; it's not something I merely have a passing interest in. The scientific community is behind me - please see the following sources for just four examples of reputable sources for the C junos / C ichangensis hybrid nomenclature. University of California at Riverside Citrus Variety CollectionPlease scroll down to the the entry for "Yuzu".http://www.citrusvariety.ucr.edu/citrus/kumquats.htmlUCR is the United States' premier source of scholarship on Citrus.<LI

 * You can see from the history that "aurantium" first appeared in this edit. Please do change it if all these sources say it's wrong. —Keenan Pepper 19:38, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Done. ...It looks like the bad info came from the Specialty Produce Co. linked page... sigh. Krnntp 18:01, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Bangladesh?
There's a sour citrus fruit which Bengalis cook and eat especially in their curries, but I'm not sure if it's a pomelo or a yuzu - can someone confirm whether this is a yuzu or not so I can change the article as it says that it's grown only in the Far East part of Asia. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.200.73.99 (talk • contribs)

 * Is it possible you're describing a Kinnow? I don't know of any sour Bengali citrus (other than regular lemons and limes), and I usually use these juices, or Kokum or Tamarind as souring agents in my curries. Badagnani 18:35, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

 * What is the color, shape, and diameter of this fruit you are referring to? Also, please ask some Bengali friends and relatives for the Bengali name of this fruit so that we can check on this for you. Badagnani 18:40, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

It's called "Shatkora" in Bengali - I was told that it's an Ugli fruit and mainly used in Sylheti cuisine Media Research 20:11, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

 * The ugli fruit is a 20th century hybrid and is not sour, it's sweet. Visually, the ugli fruit resembles the yuzu very closely, but the yuzu is quite sour. Thus, the shatkora may be closer to the yuzu than the ugli fruit, if it wasn't introduced from Jamaica, where the ugli fruit was developed/hybridized in 1914. Let's keep working on this. Badagnani 20:11, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Shatkora link. Cannot find the species name. Badagnani 20:13, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I've bought a Shatkora just recently and it doesn't seem to fit the descriptions of either the Yuzu or the Ugli or any of the citrus fruits on Wikipedia. It is native to the Sylhet region of Bangladesh. I will be starting a wikipedia entry soon, so watch this space. Media Research 14:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Very good, are you in Bangladesh now? I still can't determine the species of this fruit. Badagnani 16:46, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm British, not Bangladeshi. However, I have seen Shatkoras all my life. Media Research 17:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

 * So you just bought them in the UK? Grown in Sylhet and imported all the way there? We've got to get to the bottom of the species of this, and I'm certain we will, eventually. Badagnani 17:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the shatkoras I buy are imported - I can't travel all the way to Bangladesh just to buy them. They can not be grown here in the UK because of the climate. I'm not that desperate to know what species shatkoras are - as long as I know the name and what it looks like then I'm fine. I doubt that shatkoras are grown anywhere other than Bangladesh and West Bengal. Media Research 16:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

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Yuzu cha
I question the removal of "yuzu cha." It was stated that this is consumed in Japan. Because something originated in Korea, yet is also consumed in Japan, does not mandate the removal of all mention that this is popular in Japan as well. This would be like removing danmuji, since that is a purely Japanese food (even though many Koreans eat it, possibly every day or week). Not a good practice. Badagnani (talk) 22:04, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Why do you blame my removal of the incorrect information " is a bad practice? This article doesn't have any source to back that Japanese drink the Korean tea a lot. I have some Japanese friends and before I served the tea to them, they didn't know what kind of tea it is. They said it is interesting to have a tea like a jam made with citrus fruit. Besides, whenever one of my Korean friends go to Japan, she prepared a couple of jar of the tea in Korea for present to give their Japanese friend. In he light of her saying, I don't think Japanese commonly drink it. Even though Japanese drinks yujacha a lot, it doesn't mean that the name of tea transforms as a Japanese tea. Besides, the tea is usually eaten in hot. --Appletrees (talk) 22:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Is that true that it's little known in Japan? Then I don't understand why someone added this information in the first place, stating that Japanese drink this, and call it "yuzu cha." I have had Japanese students who had never seen a koto before. Again, following your logic we should remove all mention of danmuji from the takuan article if following your logic completely, even though many Koreans eat that thing every week or day. Badagnani (talk) 22:42, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Your example is not comparable with this tea, because the unfamiliar traditional instrument is not a food and a Korean item. The adding without any backup source doesn't prove that it becomes a Japanese tea or Korean tea favored by Japanese at all. I don't wonder the unilateral claim, because Japanese had desperately tried to enroll "kimuchi'' on Britanica as if Kimchi were a Japanese food. Besides, your logic is just like the same as whaito kimchi. --Appletrees (talk) 23:11, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

We shall look for sources, then. You or I don't know for certain that this is not a commonly consumed or popular Japanese drink. I don't know why or by whom this information was first added to the article. The example of a Japanese not knowing what a koto is is comparable, because it's one of the most important Japanese instruments, and a Japanese person did not know it. In the same way, the Japanese you met may not have known everything about Japanese cuisine. It is common for a single individual of any culture to not know about every item in that nation's cuisine. Badagnani (talk) 23:40, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

 * No, the example is not suitable, because due to westernization, I bet most of young people in Japan don't know about the instrument. I even don't know how many strings geomungo or gayageum has. If you asked Japanese or other Asian about their pop music, they can answer quickly to the question. The tea is not Japanese anyway at all. I searched images of yujacha from flickr or other places, Japanese travelers mentioned the tea is like a jam and its the origin, Korea. --Appletrees (talk) 02:13, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

This is logical. We already know that many Japanese are crazy about Korean foods (and love Korean singers to sing in Japanese, too). Badagnani (talk) 02:19, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Hmm. I think the Korean wave is just a fad in the light of history. Taiwanese has been more crazy about Japanese culture than Korean culture. Koreans loved so much about Hong Kong movies from the late 1970s to the early 1990. I think just "a few" Japanese or Chinese are currently "crazy" about Korean things. China, Korea, Japan are neighboring countries so interaction and exchanges of their culture between them are so natural, but due to the history, everything can't be accepted in a good way. --Appletrees (talk) 02:35, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I mean primarily barbecue and pop singers. Japanese singers don't have as much han in their voices. Badagnani (talk) 02:44, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

 * In Japan, "hot lemmon"(hot lemmonade) is common for years. It is similar to Korean yujacha made from lemmon. In addition, the way to put jam into hot red tea(Black tea) is well-known. So yujacha is easily acceptable for Japanese people. Maybe, many people in Japan enjoy yuzucha without knowing traditional Korean yujacha, because it is so simple. I don't think the information removed by Appletrees is "incorrect information". However, I wonder it is worth writing or not. I have two opinions.
 * There are many foreign foods in Japan, and yuzucha is just one of them. So it is not worth writing.
 * Geographical expansion of of yuzu-beverage may interest somebody. So it is worth writing.
 * --Mochi (talk) 08:51, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Lemon is not the same as yuzu. Badagnani (talk) 13:57, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Of course, I know. I said "similar".--Mochi (talk) 14:22, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:MathWorld

Eric's Treasure Trove
I've changed Eric's Treasure Trove of Mathematics to Eric's Treasure Trove of Science because the FAQ's at MathWorld and ScienceWorld both seem to indicate that the original title of his first website (compiled from his working notes) was Eric's Treasure Trove of Science. I'm uncertain this is correct, but sufficiently certain to update it to reflect "science". Can someone please confirm this or cite a counterexample for where it was listed as "...of Math"?

--SocratesJedi —Preceding comment was added at 09:13, 17 July 2004

the moronicity of MathWorld and Wikipedia
dear wikipedia addicts:

whence did wikipedia became rule this and rule that? Use your brain and respect yourself. When you stick to a rule, it would be because you judge it proper. Meanwhile, try to improve your own learning, and respect those who have more than you. Try to get out of the sophomoron status. Ingest some perspectives hither and thither: http://www.techcentralstation.com/111504A.html http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/12/30/142458/25 (actually, go read a few printed books by dead authors)

as to the edit in question, See: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/WallpaperGroups.html http://xahlee.org/SpecialPlaneCurves_dir/Intro_dir/eric_weisstein1999.png http://xahlee.org/SpecialPlaneCurves_dir/Intro_dir/eric_weisstein2000.png

and you shall see how wallpaper group is waywardly categorized under Finite Groups. (if that is ever corrected, i demand an acknowdgement.) As to it asserting that the sphere is a minimal surface, i don't have a printed artifacts of evidence. But a gander at year 1999 version (http://icl.pku.edu.cn/yujs/MathWorld/math/s/s556.htm) and you'll see the veracity of the general comment of how bad the work was. And if you are a math professor teaching graduate courses, you are aware how full of egregious errors and inanities MathWorld is today.

MathWorld is to Mathematics as Wikipedia is to Britannica. Good for recreation, laughable for research. And that Eric W fellow is self-pitching auto-aggrandizing, so are wikipedians being OpenSourcing sophomorons in general. Nevertheless, they are tremendously useful as they are. They need not be burdened with the "encyclopedia" title. And i believe, thru evolution of the editing process and thoughts, eventually wikipedia can become a reference for experts as well. But that will not happen as long as these wiki-sophomorons chanting NPOV this or Wiki-Creeds that.

Xah Lee 09:45, 2005 Jan 4 (UTC)

 * You may firstly want to not insult your fellow editors who are acting in good faith to making sure that Wikipedia articles are falling under obvious Wikipedia policy which you should have already been aware of. Don't criticise other editors for trying to make articles compliant to mandatory policy which you have overlooked.
 * Secondly, I may ask you to use your own brain and think about your argument. You claim that Mathworld's sphere article says it's a minimal surface, yet the outdated copy you provide, and the current articles say nothing about minimal surfaces.
 * You criticise Mathworld's article for implying that the wallpaper groups are finite but you cannot provide any independent source that makes this criticism? Do you have any independent criticsm of Mathworld's accuracy? I have repeated this twice before (once should have been sufficient): Wikipedia cannot take a point of view. If you understood NPOV, you'd understand that we need independent criticism. This means criticism from someone other than you, or I, or anyone on Wikipedia. You would also understand that if you found this independent criticism, that would be entirely acceptable to list here?
 * Perhaps you need to stop your own self-aggrandizement and read up on some of Wikipedia's mandatory policy. Here is a link: NPOV. Dysprosia 10:42, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Interesting links. I especially thought the comments about anti-elitism and antagonistic persons being a problem absolutely correct.  But I'm rather puzzled by why you think you are justified in citing these articles and telling others to respect those "who have more [learning] than you".  You certainly have not adhered to this kind of behavior yourself (cf Talk:Manifold).  On the contrary, you've insulted the learned mathematicians who have been very courteous to you and also called their contributions "moronic".   --C S 10:47, Jan 5, 2005 (UTC)

Proposed deletion
This appears to exist only as a pointer to one of a series of websites operated by a commercial organisation as part of a promotional exercise. It cites no references. DMcMPO11AAUK/Talk/Contribs 08:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

 * It is a site widely used on Wikipedia as a reliable source for Wikipedia math articles. --Pleasantville 14:40, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Agree with Pleasantville. I added a reference to a journal article about MathWorld by Weinstein.--agr 15:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

This article doesn't appear that way to anyone except the person who nominated it for deletion. Michael Hardy 19:43, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

November 0, 1999
Although I appluad counting from 0, November 0 is obviously not a valid date. Thoughts, anyone? Piboy51 (talk) 17:45, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Not up to date
The articles in this wiki are not kept up to date. Some of them are several years behind. Wikipedia is often kept within a month or so, and it is only that I sometimes need stuff that doesn't get into Wikipedia that I am always looking for better sources. agb 173.233.167.50 (talk) 21:58, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

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Maribel Guardia

Maribel Guardia (born Maribel Del Rocío Fernández García on May 29, 1959) is a Costa Rican-Mexican actress, tv host, model, singer and beauty pageant titleholder. She was the winner of Miss Costa Rica 1978 and a contestant in Miss Universe 1978.

Miss Universe and Miss World
Guardia was elected Miss Costa Rica in 1978, going on to represent her country at the Miss Universe 1978 beauty pageant (did not place but was selected as Miss Photogenic ) and the Miss World 1978 beauty pageant (placed as a top 15 semi-finalist). The Miss Universe pageant had been held in Acapulco, and she received offers by Televisa producer Sergio Bustamante to develop a career there, but she returned to her country. Months later, she accepted the offer and returned to Mexico, leaving her mother and boyfriend.

Acting and singing career
Guardia moved to Mexico in 1980, which proved crucial for her show business career. In 1980, she appeared in her first television show alongside Manuel "El Loco" Valdés.

Guardia went on to make multiple telenovelas (soap operas) and release a series of albums in the Norteño music genre. She has been signed to three different labels since her debut album was released in 1988: first with Musart Records, then from the late-1990s until the mid-2000s with Fonovisa Records, and in recent years with EMI Televisa Music in Latin America and Capitol Records in the United States.

Guardia has acted alongside important actors, including Andrés García, Saul Lisazo, and Joan Sebastian. One of her major soap opera hits was alongside Sebastian. Together, they filmed Tú y yo. One film where she acted alongside Andrés García was Pedro Navaja, where she played the main character's wife. She also did a film called El Rey de Los Taxistas alongside Luis de Alba. She and another El Rey de Los Taxistas co-star, Aida Pierce, would work together again in the telenovela Serafin.

Additionally, she has done telenovelas for children. She has also done a sitcom in 2006 that is called ¡Qué madre tan padre! as well as the variety show, Muévete. In 2007, she was included in the book Televisa Presenta, commemorating fifty years of network television in Mexico.

In 2008, she released a new album; the leading single is "De Pecho A Pecho" (From Chest To Chest) written by the Nicaraguan composer, songwriter, and singer Hernaldo Zúñiga. Apart from her acting and singing jobs, she has also modeled for various calendars and magazines sold to her fans. Guardia also dated Jose Trujillo in the late 1970s.

Since late 2010, she has been married to Marco Chacón and lived with her son in Mexico City. Guardia has been inducted into the Paseo de las Luminarias in Mexico City.

In January 2010, she announced that she had worked all of 2009 on a new studio album, set to be released on February 13, 2010, under EMI Music, titled "Move You On – Muévete", which contained 12 tracks recorded in Mexico City, Texas & Colombia, eight tracks were in Spanish, the other four were in English.

Personal life
Guardia lived with Joan Sebastian for five years and had a son with him, Julián Figueroa. In her personal life, Maribel Guardia has faced various challenges. Julián Figueroa followed in his parents' footsteps and pursued a career in music. On 9 April 2023, Julián Figueroa was found dead at his home at the age of 27. Maribel Guardia has been married to Marco Chacón since 2010.

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Baal-gad

Baal-Gad was a Canaanite town at the foot of Mount Hermon. It is mentioned in the Bible three times, all of them in the Book of Joshua (Josh. 11:17; 12:7; 13:5). In all cases, it is described as the northernmost point of Joshua's conquests. The name may relate to Gad, a Semitic deity of fortune, but more likely simply refers to Baal with the epithet “of fortune”.

Identification
The exact location of Baal-gad is uncertain, but it is generally accepted as being in the vicinity of Wadi al-Taym in southeastern Lebanon. The earliest suggestions identified it with Banias or Baalbek, while Abel suggested identifying it with Hasbaya. However, archeological evidence suggests that neither Banias nor Hasbaya were inhabited before the Hellenistic period, while Baalbek is too far north to fit with the geographical details in Joshua. Simons proposes identifying Baal-Gad with the site of Tell Haush/Tell ez-Zeitun, a small tell just north of Haouch El-Qenaabeh (about 8.5 kilometers southwest of Rachaiya and 12 kilometers north of Hasbaya). Jericke accepts this identification, as Tell Haush/Tell ez-Zeitun is the only site with Late Bronze Age and Iron Age remains between Iyyon (near Marjayoun) to the south and Kumidi to the north.

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Time–manner–place

In linguistic typology, time–manner–place is a sentence structure that defines the order of adpositional phrases and adverbs in a sentence: "yesterday", "by car", "to the store". Japanese, Afrikaans, Dutch, Mandarin, and German use this structure.

An example of this appositional ordering in German is:

Ich fahre heute mit dem Auto nach München.

I drive today with the car to Munich.

I'm travelling to Munich by car today.

The temporal phrase – heute (when? – "today") – comes first, the manner – mit dem Auto (how? – "by car") – is second, and the place – nach München (where? – "to Munich") – is third.

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Sergei Shamba

Sergei Shamba (Сергеи Шамба, სერგეი შამბა) is a senior politician from Abkhazia. He is currently a member of the People's Assembly of Abkhazia and Chairman of United Abkhazia. He was Prime Minister of Abkhazia under President Sergei Bagapsh from 13 February 2010 until 27 September 2011. Between 1997 and 2010 he had been Minister for Foreign Affairs under both Bagapsh and his predecessor Vladislav Ardzinba, with only a half-year interruption in 2004. Shamba has twice unsuccessfully participated in presidential elections, in 2004 and 2011. He has been a staunch proponent for dialogue between Abkhazia and Georgia.

Early life and career
Sergei Shamba was born on 15 March 1951 in Gudauta. He entered politics at the age of 24. Until February 1992, Shamba was the head of Aidgylara, which played a leading role in Abkhazia's struggle for independence. During the 1992-1993 War in Abkhazia, he served as First Deputy Minister of Defence.

Minister for Foreign Affairs (first time)
On 7 May 1997, Shamba became Minister for Foreign Affairs, succeeding Konstantin Ozgan. Throughout his time as foreign minister, it often fell to Shamba to defend Abkhazia's separation from Georgia in the international media. He has been a strong supporter of Abkhazian independence, and has flatly opposed any attempts at reunification with Georgia. Though he has headed several Abkhaz delegations to United Nations-sponsored talks with Georgia, Abkhazia has failed to receive any international recognition.

As foreign minister, Shamba dealt with several leaders of non-government organizations, meeting, among others, International Red Crescent Organization president Jean Michel Corbot. He succeeded in gaining USAID assistance for several reconstruction projects in Sukhumi.

In 1998, Shamba received his Doctorate from the Yerevan Institute of Archeology. On 9 July 2001, Shamba was awarded the diplomatic rank of Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary Ambassador.

Shamba resigned from the post of foreign minister on June 14, 2004, citing a number of reasons, such as the murder, five days before, of fellow opposition leader Garri Aiba and the upcoming presidential elections. After his resignation, he openly called for the entire government to stand aside.

October 2004 presidential election
Shamba was one of the favorites to receive the nomination of the newly forged Amtsakhara-United Abkhazia opposition alliance for the October 2004 presidential elections. However, on July 20, 2004, the movements named former prime minister Sergei Bagapsh and Stanislav Lakoba as their respective presidential and vice presidential candidates. Shamba still participated in the election with Vladimir Arshba as his running mate and he came in third place with 6.9% of the vote. After the election a conflict broke between front runners Sergei Bagapsh and Raul Khajimba, which was only resolved when the two teams agreed to hold new elections in which they would participate on a joint ticket.

During the crisis on 15 October Shamba had founded the Social-Democratic Party of Abkhazia along with other people from his election campaign, chief of staff Gennadi Alamia became its first chairman. The Social-Democratic Party called on voters to boycott the new elections and Shamba did not participate in it.

Minister for Foreign Affairs (second time) and Prime Minister
On 15 December 2004 Shamba had again been appointed Minister for Foreign affairs by Ardzinba, replacing Igor Akhba. The power-sharing agreement between Bagapsh and Khajimba stipulated that the latter could appoint the new Minister for Foreign Affairs, and Khajimba chose to keep Sergei Shamba, despite the fact that Bagapsh long insisted on appointing Natella Akaba. Even though Shamba had now joined the government, the social-democratic party stayed in opposition.

On 20 May 2009 the Social-Democratic Party was one of a number of opposition parties that during a press conference strongly criticised the government's foreign policy. The criticism was rejected by Shamba two days later, dismissing it as "biased".

Despite being considered by some to again be a possible candidate, Shamba did not participate in the December 2009 presidential election. The election resulted in a second term for Sergei Bagapsh, and on 13 February 2010, Shamba was appointed prime minister, succeeding Alexander Ankvab, who had become vice president. On 26 February Shamba was succeeded as Foreign Minister by his deputy Maxim Gvinjia.

August 2011 presidential election and retirement from active politics
The next presidential election was originally scheduled to take place in 2014, however, the Constitution of Abkhazia required an election to be held within three months after the unexpected death of incumbent president Sergei Bagapsh on 29 May 2011. Only three candidates participated: Shamba, outgoing Vice President and Acting President Alexander Ankvab and opposition leader Raul Khajimba. Shamba's vice presidential candidate was deputy chairman of the State Committee for Youth Affairs and Sport Shamil Adzynba. The pair was nominated by an initiative group on 8 July and applied for registration on 16 July. All presidential candidates passed their Abkhaz language test on 20 July 2011, were formally registered by the Central Election Commission on 25 July and received their certificates on 26 July.

Shamba and Adzynba received political support from the Party for Economic Development on 21 July, 10 (out of 12) members of the Association of Youth Organisations on 28 July and the Communist Party 9 August. The election campaign was led by Beslan Eshba.

The election was won by Alexander Ankvab. Shamba came in second place with 21.02% of the vote, narrowly ahead of Khajimba.

After the election, Shamba retired from active politics. Observers noted that Shamba would have been above the legal maximum age for the Presidency at the time of the next election. Shamba himself has stated that he wanted to make way for younger politicians, hoping that Abkhazia had entered a new phase of sustained development and conflict-free transfers of power.

Member of Parliament (second time) and Chairman of United Abkhazia
Shamba was one of the leaders of the protests that led to the May 2014 ouster of President Ankvab. After the election of Raul Khajimba as president, he participated in the 21 December by-election in Constituency no. 24 that had become necessary after Khajimba had appointed Adgur Kharazia as acting mayor of Sukhumi. On 3 November, Shamba's nomination by an initiative group was registered. Shamba failed to obtain a first-round victory, but defeated Tengiz Agrba in the run-off on 28 December.

On 5 September 2015, Shamba became the leader of a faction he established along with six other members of the People's Assembly.

On 27 January 2016, Shamba was elected Chairman of United Abkhazia during its sixth congress, after Daur Tarba had resigned the role on 1 October 2015.

title: Sergei Shamba