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Talk:Vysochanskij–Petunin inequality

I know about the policy No original research, but it might be worth stating that I believe this result can be improved to:

 * $$P(\left|X-\mu\right|\geq \lambda\sigma)\leq\frac{4}{9\lambda^2} $$
 * when $$\lambda \geq 1.38539...$$
 * $$P(\left|X-\mu\right|\geq \lambda\sigma)\leq 1-\left({4 \lambda^2 \over 3(1+\lambda^2)}\right)^2 $$
 * when $$\lambda \leq 1.38539...$$
 * where $$1.38539... = \sqrt{{2 \over 3}+ \sqrt{124 \over 63}\cos \left( {\cos^{-1}\left( \sqrt{847 \over 29791} \right) \over 3} \right)} $$
 * where $$1.38539... = \sqrt{{2 \over 3}+ \sqrt{124 \over 63}\cos \left( {\cos^{-1}\left( \sqrt{847 \over 29791} \right) \over 3} \right)} $$
 * where $$1.38539... = \sqrt{{2 \over 3}+ \sqrt{124 \over 63}\cos \left( {\cos^{-1}\left( \sqrt{847 \over 29791} \right) \over 3} \right)} $$

--Henrygb 01:31, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The title gives one spelling but the article uses a different spelling of Vysochanskiї/Vysochanskij. Moreover, the second spelling does not redirect to the article. Perhaps (a)the second spelling should be made to redirect, and (b)the article should say "(also known as the Vysochanskiї-Petunin inequality)" and then explain the relation between the two spellings. Duoduoduo (talk) 16:08, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

In "unimodal distribution, mean μ and finite, non-zero variance", is the "non-zero variance" really required? It seems to me that a distribution with zero variance must have all probability in a single point, in which case the inequality holds trivially. Howard Landman (talk) 16:07, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

 * If the variance is zero then the probability is 1 for any λ which means the inequality fails 86.178.140.198 (talk) 20:34, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Fixing this page title to Vysochanskij-Petunin inequality
I personally knew professor Petunin who supervised Mr. Vysochanski on his postgraduate work. They worked on this result for a few years and the original proof of this inequality was not simple but rather quite long and difficult. There is also a translation of this article in Russian Wikipedia with correct original name. In English the most closed translation of this family name would be Vysochanski, however Vysochanskij is also acceptable. I think it is time to fix the name of this already classic inequality.

Unfortunately I do not have permissions to make this fix myself, so I need help Gchoul (talk) 18:51, 17 March 2013 (UTC) You can use the template on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Requested_move Pug6666 20:56, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

I have renamed the article from -iї to -ij, as requested by Gchoul. I have also fixed some redirects that went from -ii to -iї, so that they now go direct from -ii to -ij. But now I think this was all a mistake. There are many article in English Wikipedia that use the -ii spelling, listed at Special:WhatLinksHere/Vysochanskij–Petunin_inequality. It would have been better, in my view, to rename this article to Vysochanskii–Petunin inequality. Maproom (talk) 22:06, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

This was not a mistake. First of all "ї" is not an English letter. Neither a Russian one, so the usage of this symbol is senseless in any way. The ending of name Vysochaski is absolutely the same as say Brzhezinski or Levinski. You can write those names with "y" at the end instead of "i", but never with "ї" or "ii". As I mentioned earlier the best here would be Vysochanski, but the original article from a Russian math journal was translated with the name Vysochanskij. That is the only reason why I suggested to use "ij" Thank you for your prompt help

Gchoul (talk) 22:22, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The thing is, we cannot simply take your word for it. The title must reflect what is most commonly accepted. And from my own enquiries, the old title was the most widely accepted, followed by the double 'ii's. P.S. I think for the moment we should resume this conversation on the Help Desk to get as many opinions as we can.  Kinkreet ~♥moshi moshi♥~ 00:29, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

I have read your comments with regards to using name Vysochanskii as the most appropriate one in the article title. What can I say. As you may guess English is not my mother tongue, but I have been living in the English speaking country for 20 years. I have seen hundreds of Russian and Ukrainian family names that have the same ending as Visochanskii (as you suggested ) I have never ever seen such a spelling in my life. Maybe it appeared just recently and I am not aware of it. As I already mentioned I personally knew Dmitri Fedorovich Visochanski for many years, so I know his name in Russian very well and the article in Russian Wikipedia bears a correct name. I raised the issue with English translation only because it looks ridiculous to me. If it does not for English community it is OK. Anyway English does not have an equivalent sound for the ending of this name and for native English speaking person it is very difficult and nearly impossible to pronounce it correctly. And please do not forget that when the article containing this inequality was translated first in English the translator used the name Vysochanskij

Gchoul (talk) 15:51, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

I have no preference for the article personally. I am only looking at this from the objective point of view. The point about you knowing the professor personally, is exactly what Wikipedia tries to avoid, as outlined here, more specifically, this statement "Do not add unsourced material from your personal experience, because that would make Wikipedia a primary source of that material". Personally, I don't really care what the title is, and I don't think many people do, if so they would have voiced an opinion. And I don't want to criticize anyone, but I think a page move should have only been conducted after looking at the guidelines, and not just because someone requested it. That was always my primary concern. I am no expert in this area. I've made my point about using the common name, and I'd like to gracefully bow out of further debates, because I don't think I have any more to contribute to the discussion. Kinkreet~♥moshi moshi♥~ 16:38, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Agree with you 100%. To put it simple I requested the name change to Vysochanskij not because I personally like it but rather having in mind a consideration that you mentioned.Wikipedia is built first and foremost on reliable sources. The most reliable source in English which actually is used in the references of this article: D. F. Vysochanskij, Y. I. Petunin (1980). "Justification of the 3σ rule for unimodal distributions". Theory of Probability and Mathematical Statistics 21: 25–36. Please agree that it is not a good idea to have 2 different spellings of the name in one article even if it had it for 9 years Gchoul (talk) 18:37, 18 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gchoul (talk • contribs)

 * I think we should all agree that it is not good to have two different spellings within one article, and preferably not within the whole English-language Wikipedia. The question is, should we alter this article and its title to the -ii spelling, to be consistent with the other articles; or alter all the other articles to the -ij spelling; or just leave it all inconsistent? Maproom (talk) 18:54, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

I am not sure how the decision is made in Wikipedia, but I what I want is to provide info for the people who care for Wikipedia. If say, you want to make a change to ii across all Wikipedia then what are you going to do with one of the most famous writer's name Dostoyevsky ???

If you really decide to make a change to ii then you will invent a new name Dostoyevskii

Does Wikipedia really want to make a revolution in spelling ?

Now see, the ending of the names Dostoyevsky and Vysochanskij in Russian is absolutely the same so the most correct option in English would be certainly Vysochansky.

I need to repeat here that I would definitely put ending "y" or "i" in this name, but you cannot change the name in the reference. It means that we do not have much choice here and must stick to the name in the reference - Vysochanskij as the only source available.

And one more thing. Please give me an example of the name in Wiki that has "ii" at the end. Maybe there is some misunderstanding in this discussion

Gchoul (talk) 22:51, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

 * Wikipedia policy is to prefer the form that is most usual in modern English-language texts. With Fyodor Dostoyevsky that has been easy to agree on, with Kiev it has been impossible. If I have time, I will look at all the articles that mention Vysochansk??, check all the English-language sources that they cite, and find which spelling is most common. Maproom (talk) 09:41, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

All right. Looks like it is all clear now and it is time to make a summary. Mr. Vysochansy was Ukrainian (although in the USSR everybody was Soviet, but Mr. Vysochansy's mother tongue was Ukrainian). The ending of his family name in Ukrainian is "ський" and in Russian "ский" These endings do sound differently in the two languages. Therefore it will always be an argument what would be better translation them in English. Under this angle you can use "y", "i", "ij", "ii", "yi". English does not have an equivalent sound anyway. Kiev also sounds differently in Russian and Ukrainian. English native speaker can feel the difference and can easily pronounce it in two different ways. So Ukrainians, because it is their capital will always want it to be translated close to Ukrainian, and Russians to a Russian respectively.

13:47, 19 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gchoul (talk • contribs)

 * Here is my own summary. What the endings sound like, how they are spelled in Russian, and in Ukrainian, and how Russians, and Ukrainians, would like them to be spelled in the Latin alphabet — these are all irrelevant to Wikipedia policy. What matters is how English-language texts usually spell the name. Maproom (talk) 13:56, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Fully agree with you. We have got only one source so far that is why I suggested "ij", no matter what I think of it. I also would like to thank all Wikipedia people who contributed to this discussion and made the subject much more clear to me.

Gchoul (talk) 14:00, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

 * I have done some checking. I found only two links from other eng-Wikipedia articles to references containing the name "Vysochansk??". They are
 * http://m.njit.edu/CAMS/Technical_Reports/CAMS02_03/report4.pdf
 * D. F. Vysochanskij, Y. I. Petunin (1980). "Justification of the 3s rule for unimodal distributions". Theory of Probability and Mathematical Statistics 21: 25–36.
 * Both use the -ij spelling.

 * And I googled for "Vysochanskii" etc., with the quotation marks, and found
 * Vysochanskii   17,500 hits
 * Vysochanskiy   14,000 hits
 * Vysochansky     6,930 hits
 * Vysochanski     2,660 hits
 * Vysochanskij    2,130 hits
 * Vysochanskyi      402 hits
 * Maproom (talk) 21:07, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

title: Talk:Vysochanskij–Petunin inequality


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U.S. Route 176

U.S. Route 176 (US 176) is a spur of US 76 in the U.S. states of North Carolina and South Carolina. The U.S. Highway runs 237.98 mi from US 25 Business and North Carolina Highway 225 (NC 225) in Hendersonville, North Carolina, east to US 52 in Goose Creek, South Carolina. US 176 serves the transition region between the Blue Ridge Mountains and Foothills of Western North Carolina and the Upstate, Midlands, and Lowcountry regions of South Carolina. The highway passes through and connects Spartanburg, one of two major cities in the Upstate, and Columbia, the South Carolina state capital and central city of the Midlands. US 176 parallels and serves as a secondary highway to Interstate 26 (I-26) except for between Spartanburg and Columbia, where the U.S. Highway deviates from the I-26 corridor to serve Union.

Route description
US 176 spans 19.33 mi in North Carolina and runs 218.65 mi in South Carolina. The U.S. Highway is a part of the National Highway System in four locations in South Carolina. US 176 is part of the national system from I-85 Business near Spartanburg to South Carolina Highway 295 (SC 295) near Pacolet, during which the U.S. Highway is concurrent with either I-585 or SC 9. The highway's second stretch of National Highway System is along its concurrency with SC 72 around Whitmire. US 176 is also part of the system along its concurrencies with US 21, US 76, and US 321 on Elmwood Street and Huger Street north of SC 12 in Columbia. The highway's final section in which it is included in the National Highway System is during its concurrency with US 21 and US 321 from I-26 in Cayce to where US 321 splits from US 176 and US 21 south of Cayce.

Hendersonville to Spartanburg
US 176 begins at the southern end of Main Street in the city of Hendersonville. Main Street heads north into the downtown area as US 25 Business; the road also continues south as NC 225 (Greenville Highway). US 176 and US 25 Bus. head east concurrently along Spartanburg Highway, a four-lane highway with a center turn lane that heads through a commercial area and crosses over Norfolk Southern Railway's W Line. The highway leaves Hendersonville and heads southeast through the town of East Flat Rock. US 25 Bus. reaches its southern terminus at US 176's diamond interchange with US 25. US 176 reduces to two lanes and continues along a curvaceous path through the Blue Ridge Mountains, crossing the Green River. The road crosses the Henderson–Polk county line into the city of Saluda. US 176 and the railroad separate temporarily east of Saluda as they descend through the narrow valley of the North Pacolet River, with the railroad descending the inactive Saluda Grade, once the steepest standard gauge Class I railroad grade in the country.

At the opening of the North Pacolet River valley, US 176 follows Trade Street through the town of Tryon, where the highway meets the western end of NC 108 (Lynn Road). Southeast of Tryon, the U.S. Highway enters South Carolina, where it clips the northeastern corner of Greenville County. US 176 continues into Spartanburg County as Asheville Highway. In the town of Landrum, US 176 follows Howard Avenue and intersects SC 14 (Rutherford Street). The highway continues southeast across the South Pacolet River and through Campobello, the site of the highway's junctions with SC 11 (Pine Street) and SC 357 (Holly Springs Road). US 176 passes through the hamlet of Gramling before passing through the town of Inman, where the highway expands to four lanes with intermittent center turn lane and intersects SC 292, which heads north as Main Street and south as Lyman Road.

US 176 expands to a four-lane divided highway just west of its partial cloverleaf interchange with I-26. On the northern edge of the unincorporated community of Southern Shops, the highway has a partial directional interchange with SC 56, which continues straight as Asheville Highway into Spartanburg while US 176 follows Pine Street. There is no access from northbound SC 56 to eastbound US 176. Just east of the SC 56 interchange, US 176 has a diamond interchange with I-85. At Upper Valley Falls Road, the U.S. Highway becomes a freeway between Southern Shops to the south and Valley Falls to the north. US 176 has a diamond interchange with Valley Falls Road and a partial cloverleaf interchange with East Campus Boulevard; both roads provide access to the University of South Carolina Upstate. Just east of East Campus Boulevard is US 176's partial cloverleaf interchange with I-85 Business; there is no access to East Campus Boulevard from the ramp from southbound I-85 Business to westbound US 176.

US 176 continues east concurrent with I-585, with two-way frontage roads on both sides of the freeway. Just east of I-85 Business, there are ramps from eastbound US 176 and to westbound US 176 with the frontage roads. The frontage roads connect with California Avenue, which is accessed from the other direction by a half-diamond interchange after that street's overpass. East of the California Avenue interchange, US 176 has a pair of diamond interchanges with SC 9 and US 221 as the U.S. Highway enters the city of Spartanburg. SC 9 heads north from the three-ramp partial diamond interchange as Boiling Springs Road; the roadway continues south as Church Street as SC 9 joins US 176 in a concurrency. The movement from SC 9 to westbound US 176 is made via California Avenue. The interchange with US 221 (Whitney Road) is a diamond interchange; there, I-585 reaches its southern terminus and US 176 continues as a six-lane divided highway through a commercial area. US 176 and SC 9 pass the campus of Wofford College, including Gibbs Stadium and Benjamin Johnson Arena, and the headquarters of the Southern Conference, of which Wofford is a part, and crosses Norfolk Southern Railway's Charlotte District. Southeast of the railroad, US 176 and SC 9 meet the eastern end of SC 296 (Daniel Morgan Avenue), pass along the west side of Converse College, and intersect US 29 (St. John Street) on the east side of downtown Spartanburg.

Spartanburg to Columbia
US 176 and SC 9 head east out of Spartanburg as a four-lane highway with center turn lane. Just west of the town of Pacolet, the road passes under the W Line, expands to a divided highway, and meets the eastern end of SC 295 (Southport Road). East of SC 295, SC 9 splits east as Pine Street to pass through Pacolet while US 176 bypasses the town to the south. The U.S. Highway intersects SC 150 (Glenn Springs Road) before entering Union County, where the highway's name becomes Furman L. Fendley Highway. US 176 bypasses Jonesville while SC 9 passes directly through; east of the town, SC 9 veers east while SC 18 begins to parallel US 176 southeast to Union. US 176 intersects SC 215 (Buffalo West Springs Highway) and runs concurrently with the state highway on a four-lane road with center turn lane along the west side of town. The highways run concurrently with SC 49 between Rice Avenue, which SC 49 uses to bypass downtown Union, and Main Street. As US 176 and SC 215 curve east, they intersect SC 496 (Industrial Park Road/Union Boulevard), which is signed as SC 49 Truck. The bypass ends on the southern edge of town at the southern terminus of SC 18 (Pinckney Street). SC 215 heads east on Beltline Road while US 176 turns south onto Whitmire Highway.

US 176 continues south as a two-lane road, enters Sumter National Forest, and crosses the Tyger River. At the southern end of Union County, the U.S. Highway meets SC 72 and SC 121 (Carlisle Whitmire Highway) at a directional intersection. The three highways run concurrently on a four-lane undivided highway and cross the Enoree River into Newberry County and the town of Whitmire. There, SC 72 continues to the center of town on Union Street while US 176 and SC 121 follow Watson Street along the edge of town and head south as a two-lane road that crosses Duncan Creek. At Indian Creek, the U.S. Highway and state highway diverge southeasterly and southerly, respectively, shortly before US 176 exits the national forest at its junction with SC 34. US 176 has an oblique junction with SC 219 west of Pomaria, SC 773 within the town, and SC 202 east of the town. The highway meets the western end of SC 213 (Parr Road) west of the town of Peak before entering Richland County.

US 176 gradually edges closer to I-26 before meeting the Interstate at a partial cloverleaf interchange on the edge of the suburban area surrounding Columbia. The highway meets US 76 (Dutch Fork Road) at an oblique intersection and the two U.S. Highways head east together into the town of Irmo. The highways expand to a four-lane road with center turn lane and diverge at their partial cloverleaf interchange with I-26 (James F. Byrnes Expressway), at which US 76 joins the Interstate to head into Columbia. US 176 drops to two lanes and continues southeast into the town of St. Andrews, where the highway has an oblique junction with SC 60 (Lake Murray Boulevard) just west of Harbison State Forest. The highway expands to a four-lane road with center turn lane, passes by the Broad River Correctional Institution, and passes through the downtown area of St. Andrews, then has a diamond interchange with I-20. US 176 enters the city of Columbia, passes the Dutch Square mall, and curves east to cross the Broad River, the Columbia Canal, and Norfolk Southern's W Line on the Broad River Bridge.

US 176 continues on the east side of the river as River Drive. At its junction with Clement Avenue and SC 16 (Sunset Drive), River Drive veers southeast and becomes two lanes. US 176 crosses over a CSX rail line before reaching an oblique intersection with Main Street, where the highway begins a lengthy concurrency with US 21 and US 321. The highways follow four-lane Main Street to the Elmwood Park Historic District, where the highways gain a fourth route, US 76, when they turn west onto six-lane divided Elmwood Avenue at the northern edge of downtown Columbia. One block to the west, the four U.S. Highways meet the western end of SC 48 (Assembly Street). A few blocks further to the west, Elmwood Avenue becomes a freeway carrying I-126 and US 76 west out of downtown Columbia; US 176, US 21, and US 321 exit the freeway at a full Y interchange onto six-lane divided Huger Street. South of another crossing of the W Line, the highways intersect the westbound and eastbound directions of SC 12 at Taylor Street and Hampton Street, respectively. South of their intersection with US 1 and US 378 (Gervais Street), US 176, US 21, and US 321 pass two blocks west of the Columbia Amtrak station before they reach Blossom Street, which carries US 21 Connector and US 76 Connector east through the University of South Carolina campus. The U.S. Highways follow four-lane divided Blossom Street west across the Congaree River out of the city of Columbia into Lexington County.

Columbia to Goose Creek
US 176, US 21, and US 321 follow Knox Abbott Drive, a four-lane street with center turn lane, west through the city of Cayce, where they intersect SC 2 (State Street) and SC 35 (12th Street). The highways briefly enter the city of West Columbia when they veer southwest onto Charleston Highway. The U.S. Highways pass under a rail line and have an oblique junction with SC 302 (Edmund Road) before re-entering Cayce. US 176, US 21, and US 321 become a divided highway as they pass historic Columbia Speedway, pass over another rail line, and meet the southern end of SC 2 (Frink Street) at a directional intersection that lacks a connection from the south-heading U.S. Highways to northbound SC 2. The U.S. Highways continue south as a four-lane road plus center turn lane that crosses a pair of creeks before expanding to a six-lane divided highway and meeting I-26 at a partial cloverleaf interchange. Just south of that interchange, US 176, US 21, and US 321 meet ramps from the southern terminus of I-77 (Veterans Memorial Freeway) opposite Fish Hatchery Road.

The three U.S. Highways reduce to four lanes and cross over CSX's Columbia Subdivision east of the town of Pine Ridge. US 321 continues south toward Gaston and Swansea while US 176 and US 21 head southeast along Charleston Highway, which drops to two lanes. The two U.S. Highways meet I-26 at a partial cloverleaf interchange and briefly parallel the Interstate as they enter Calhoun County, where the highway is known as Old State Road. The highways diverge at Sandy Run, where US 21 heads south on Columbia Road toward Orangeburg and US 176 continues on Old State Road. West of St. Matthews, the U.S. highway runs concurrently with SC 6 between Caw Caw Road and Bridge Street. US 176 intersects US 601 (St. Matthews Road) and crosses over Norfolk Southern's SC Line south of the county seat of Calhoun County. The highway intersects SC 33 (Cameron Road) in the town of Cameron before leaving Calhoun County.

Shortly after entering Orangeburg County, US 176 intersects US 301 (Five Chop Road) just west of the latter highway's junction with SC 47. The highway intersects SC 210 (Vance Road) at the crossroads of Providence northwest of the U.S. Highway's diamond interchange with I-95. At Wells, US 176 has a five-way intersection with US 15 (Bass Drive) and SC 45 (Branchdale Highway). The highway meets the eastern end of SC 314 (Bunch Ford Road) west of the town of Holly Hill and SC 310 (Camden Road) just inside the town limits. In the center of town, US 176 has a pair of intersections with SC 453, Eutaw Road and Gardner Boulevard, on either side of a grade crossing of CSX's Charleston Subdivision.

US 176 enters Berkeley County by crossing the Dean Swamp, a tributary of the Four Hole Swamp. The U.S. Highway, which is named State Road, intersects SC 27 (Old Gilliard Road) and SC 311 shortly after entering the highway. US 176 heads southeast through a mixture of swamp and forest with occasional farmland before entering the suburban area around Charleston at its junction with US 17 Alternate (Live Oak Drive) on the edge of the city of Goose Creek. The highway continues as St. James Avenue, a four-lane road with center turn lane. US 176 expands to six lanes shortly before reaching its eastern terminus at an oblique intersection with US 52 (Goose Creek Boulevard). There is no direct access from eastbound US 176 to northbound US 52; that movement is made via Thomason Boulevard a few blocks to the northwest.

Spartanburg alternate route
U.S. Route 176 Alternate (US 176 Alt.) was an alternate route in Spartanburg. It was established around 1938 after mainline US 176 was rerouted onto Asheville Highway and Church Street; the alternate route continued along the old route via Magnolia, Howard, and Main Streets. In 1948, it was downgraded to secondary road S-42-2. Some map inserts of the time list it as "US 176 Optional" (US 176 Opt.).

Spartanburg connector route 1
U.S. Route 176 Connector (US 176 Conn.) is a 0.520 mi connector route that connects US 221 (North Church Street) in the northern part of Spartanburg with I-585/US 176/SC 9 (North Pine Street) just north of the city. It is known as North Church Street and is an unsigned highway.

Spartanburg connector route 2
U.S. Route 176 Connector (US 176 Conn.) is a 0.360 mi connector route that connects US 221 (North Church Street) with I-585/US 176/SC 9 (North Pine Street) in the northern part of Spartanburg. It travels just north of Spartanburg Medical Center. It is known as East Wood Street and is an unsigned highway.

Union business loop
U.S. Route 176 Business (US 176 Bus) was a business loop through downtown Union, via Thompson Boulevard and Pinckney Street. It was established around 1956, when the Duncan Bypass was completed and mainline US 176 was realigned along it. Around 1990, US 176 Bus was decommissioned and replaced by an extension of SC 18.

Union connector
U.S. Route 176 Connector (US 176 Conn.) is a 0.460 mi connector route in Union. It connects US 176 (North Duncan Avenue) and South Carolina Highway 18 (SC 18; Thompson Road), along Connector Road. Its entire length is part of SC 18 Truck.

It officially appears on county and state maps, while highway signage identifies it as "TO" US 176. It was created when US 176 was rerouted onto new alignment north of Union, with the elimination of US 176 Business and extension of SC 18; Connector Road was originally part of Duncan Bypass, built around 1956.

Whitmire connector route
U.S. Route 176 Connector (US 176 Conn.) is a 0.340 mi connector route in the eastern part of Whitmire. It connects South Carolina Highway 72 (SC 72; Church Street / Union Street) and US 176 (Watson Street). It shares the Church Street name with SC 72 and is an unsigned highway.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Internet is shit

Listed for speedy deletion, but I don't think it meets the criteria for speedy. I think it should be deleted because it is original research, and because the website http://www.internetisshit.org is non-notable, and because the content of the article is promotion for the website and its non-neutral point-of-view. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 01:31, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Oh, well... I guess it's a copyvio too, unless the creator of the article is also the author of the material on the website. Take a look at the website if you are interested... it's a long rant, fairly well-written, setting up the (straw man?) that some say the Internet is wonderful and Godlike, then knocking that down in detail. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 01:59, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Delete: I originally listed it for speedy deletion, but agree with User:Dpbsmith that VfD was more appropriate. POV, rant, straw-man, and non-notability (in Dpbsmith's words) about sum it up for me. Klanda 03:07, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Delete. Unencyclopedic (!) title, no useful content. The matter of the copyvio is irrelevant if there's consensus to delete anyway, so do whichever is easiest or fastest. Andrewa 03:21, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Delete. POV rant, possibly copyvio. Andris 14:20, Aug 16, 2004 (UTC)

 * Delete, if we're voting on it. I suppose it's not a speedy, but it's not a heavy deliberation, either. Geogre 17:50, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Delete very unencyclopedic, and also a C/R violation!--Plato 23:24, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)


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User talk:Tverbeek

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Previous discussions:

 * Archive 1 (to 31 December 2005):

Nudity inaccuracies
Yeah, I meant to move that paragraph to the talk page. It's there now, with the explanation.--Cuchullain 23:14, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Re:Clean-up?
I added a clean-up stub on the Kendall College of Art and Design article, because it doesn't have half as much information as most other college pages on Wikipedia. Also, the Kendall article doesn't look as professional looking as most other college articles on Wikipedia. Browse around on many college/university pages on Wikipedia, and you'll see what I mean. --80-MAN 01:22, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Larry Hama
You seem much more knowledgable than I am in all ways Wiki, so I wonder if you could tell me 1) if it's it's appopriate to, and 2) how to go about notifying fellow Comics Projects members that an item is up for vote on the Deletion page? It's

[], and you can read my reasons there. Thanks for any info! - Tenebrae 14:38, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

 * RE: "the fact that he served during the Vietnam War (even if not stationed in SE Asia) is arguably relevant, given that he later edited The 'Nam." Granted. But for somone who doesn't know he wrote The 'Nam (which would be most people, even many knowledgable comics fans), it seems gratuitous. So given what you said, yep, a reference to his writing The 'Nam would be good and relevant to add there, then.

 * Is there a tag similar to that can be added in place of original research? Is there any way to request a sysop/admin to create such a tag, if one doesn's already exist?  Like the  tag, that would be a great and practical help. Thanks, as always, for your experienced and help. - Tenebrae 02:55, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

 * OK, I see he edited "The 'Nam". I'll make note. Thanks - Tenebrae 03:56, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Hama tag change?
Well, since you and I have been contributing most of the edits, I'd like to take up one more bit of your time to ask 1) whether you think it might be appropriate to change the template from "deletion proposed" to "this article needs cleanup" or "needs to be written in encyc. language" or somesuch, and 2) is that something an editor such as you or I can do, or is it protocol to let an admin/sysop do it?

And say, thanks again for all your help every now and then over the past couple months in navigating the shoals of Wikipedia. The Guidelines are policy pages alone are like Russian novels! (So maybe I should say Das vadanya, however the heck that's spelled!) - Tenebrae 04:22, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the procedural info! All the best - Tenebrae 14:12, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Direct market
I'm not sure if I agree about 'direct market' being a proper noun. Isn't the direct market really just a specific manner of distributing comic books? By your logic wouldn't we also capitalize newsstand distribution system? I won't make any further changes along these lines, but I think we should invite input from other users. (I'll copy our correspondense to the talk page). ike9898 21:41, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Direct Market
I apologise if I seem to have bad faith on the term. (1) References are good (required?) on any article, so I asked for them. (2) Even as the article defined it, the term identifies a business management concept, like "suggested retail price", so I figure it belongs more to business management-related topics than to comics-related topics. (3) I seriously doubt that the comics distribution industry is unique amongst the consumer publication distribution industry. Nevertheless, I never insist, so go ahead with what you see fit. Thank you for your note. --Perfecto 00:43, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the DM & Phil Seuling entries!
It is so gratifying to see the late, lamented Phil start to get his due, here in this relatively mainstream information source.

And it's always personally very cool to see articles branch off from one's own entries. Thanks for making my day (and it's only 5:48 a.m., my time)! - Tenebrae 10:50, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Enlist your help?
User:GodzillaWax, who treated CaptainDisdain and others, well, disdainfully at [|Daredevil History Page], is now doing the same to me.

You can get the gist of it at [|Admin noticeboard]

If his kind of behavior is something you'd like to see stop, please — please — post a supportive comment on the "GodzillaWax_attack" or the "GodzillaWax_still_at_it" section of Admin noticeboard page that links above.

Anything you can do, I think it would help us all. Thanks very much even for just reading this. — Tenebrae 00:12, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I did read those things
And I believed I was following the directions. Gee, you don't have to take such a nasty tone with me. I'm a human being. I was following complicated, lengthy directions, spread over dozens of pages, as best I could. As for Hama, I don't believe I asked you to step in and "waste [your] time", so I don't think it's fair to yell at me for that. And as for GodzillaWax, whose bad behavior goes back months, I apologize for asking you to support me in not having him insult fellow Wikipedians and write fannish, unencyclopedic entries that make Wikipedia look bad.

You've been the kind of diligent and responsible Wikipedian I admire and strive to be. I apologize if my compliments to you and my respecting you enough to look for you for guidance and to ask for your help bothered you so much that you would snap at a person that way. I won't bother you again. -- Tenebrae 16:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Please stop
I said I wouldn't bother you anymore. I apologized for bothering you at all. Yet after I did so, you came back and wrote something on my Talk page calling me stupid, saying I need to be talked to in words of one syllable, etc. What kind of person are you that would go out of your way to insult someone who has apologized and said he wouldn't bother you anymore? Just for the record, I'm a cum laude graduate of a major American university, I work as an editor at a national magazine, I've published books, and I spent years writing for Marvel, DC, and other companies. I think the quality of my research and writing in the nearly 50 comics-professional bios I've written speak for themselves. So, no, I don't believe I'm stupid and I'm astonished at the hateful, schoolyard level of discourse I find throughout Wikipedia. You seem to need to insult others to bolster your own self-esteem. Please stop doing it to me, and please stop posting on my Talk page. - Tenebrae 00:24, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

You Pompous, Ignorant Ass
You insult me ... then use profanity to tell me that you don't "give a damn" about evidence that indicates your insult isn't based on anyting factual!

I don't know why you think you have the right to mouth off to people in ways you'd never dare say to their faces. It's easy to sit back and be the Simpsons' Comic Book Guy, acting like Wikipedia's Pope of Pop Culture, when you're thousands of miles away from the people you insult. I've tried to look for the good in you. I've tried to give you the benefit of doubt. But you're a bitter, venom-spewing pomposity who acts like a big shot on Wikipedia because you can't in real life. Just stay the fuck away from my Talk page. And please: Report me to the Admins, because I'd love them to see the incivility you displayed to someone who apologized to you when you indicated I'd made a mistake. Ooooh, a mistake, heaven help me! Grand Comic Book Lord VerGeek is going to come spit on my Talk Page!

Why don't you bother people like User:GodzillaWax, who break all sorts of Wikipedia rules in their "contributions"? Why not bother people who write "Recently" and "Currently" in their entries? Why not bother people who can't be bothered to cite and link to their sources? Seems to me that last item is way more important to Wikipedia's credibility that someone who points out a garbage entry the wrong way once.

I apologized when you felt you were inconvenienced. Why couldn't you let it go at that? Serious: Please ask yourself, "He apologized. Why do I feel compelled to go back and give him shit?" NOBODY ASKED YOU TO. You just had to come back and go "nyah-nyah-you-need-one-syllable-words". Let's ask the Admins about that if you want to. But if you come back to my Talk page, when I've specifically asked you not to, that's harrassment. - Tenebrae 01:39, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Hey Tenebrae, leave me out of your hissy fits. GodzillaWax 16:39, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I can't think of a subhead
OK. Look. We clearly both lost our tempers. I don't have a dispute with you; heck, I even told you a couple posts ago that I'd felt respect for you as a veteran Wikipedian. I apologized for inadvertantly bothering you, and I simply asked to be left alone and promised to leave you alone, so I don't know what there is to mediate.

But ... you seem man enough to reach out in a genuine communal gesture, so ... I can suggest this:

If you'll apologize for the sarcastic implications that I'm stupid and need monosyllabic verbalization, and that this was your own violation of No Personal Attacks ("Negative personal comments and 'I'm better than you' attacks...."), then I will gladly and sincerely apologize, with equal specificity, for my own words, and tell you that as far as I'm concerened we can erase all our previous comments from our Talk pages and that I will not consider that a breach of etiquette, but rather a clean slate. In any event, I promise not to contact you or bother you ever again. Or if you don't like the aforementioned, please tell me in a reasonable tone what you'd prefer. Does this sound fair? -- Tenebrae 04:33, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm mostly staying away from Wikipedia for a while... just too damn tired of this kind of nonsense. - Tverbeek

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Talk:French Institute for Research in Computer Science and Automation

Need detail a few accomplishments
It would be great if we could detail a few accomplishments of the INRIA in each of its fields. I have started a "Computer Science Research" section. Sam 01:40, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

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Actual name.
The actual translation of the French name 'Institut national de recherche en sciences et technologies du numérique' (INRIA) is National Institute for Research in Digital Science and Technology. So I think the name of this page should be changed, and actual name of the Institute should be given. Ragnarvrollo (talk) 09:49, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

 * I've modified the lede and the infobox to make clearer what the old French and English names were and what the newer ones are. As to whether to move the article itself, I would be okay with it, but advocates of WP:COMMONNAME might object given the count web searches come up with.  Wasted Time R (talk) 16:21, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * My instinct is that the name of this article should be changed to align with the new variant. Not based on any particular Wikipedia policy but rather based on accuracy.  RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 07:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


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Talk:Eats, Shoots and Leaves

In case you don't get the joke in the title....

(one woman to another)

"My man is like one of those big Panda bears, you know, the ones kept in captivity in China."

(other woman)

"Oh? How so?"

(reply)

"All he does is Eats, Shoots and Leaves."

text from article with similar but incorrectly punctuated title, now a redirect

Eats, Shoots and Leaves is a short non-fiction book written by Lynne Truss, a former radio host of a program called Cutting a Dash on the BBC. In her book, Truss details the state of punctuation in the United Kingdom and the United States. The goal of this book is to remind its readers of the importance of punctuation by mixing humor and instruction. Each chapter is devoted to at least one topic of punctuation: apostrophes, commas, semicolons and colons, dashes, hyphens, and finally a chapter devoted solely to the importance of maintaining punctuation rules. Frank McCourt, author of Angela's Ashes, wrote the foreward to the American edition of Eats, Shoots and Leaves. Here, he praises Truss for bringing life back into the art of punctuation. The book was a commercial success in the United Kingdom, and in 2004 became a New York Times bestseller in the United States.

Eats, Shoots & Leaves
Article should be at Eats, Shoots & Leaves, but that redirect currently can't be deleted because of the block-compressed revisions bug. –Hajor 18:19, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

I corrected the publication date, and also remove the "controversial books" category. While some people may disagree with it's punctuation style, I think in the grand scheme of things this is not a controversial book. DJ Clayworth 18:39, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

 * disagree with it's punctuation style

 * Hey, you made a mistake! :) -- Toytoy 03:18, May 3, 2005 (UTC)

Oxford comma
Is it worth mentioning that the majority of punctuation style guides would describe the title of the book as ungrammatical (should be Eats, Shoots, and Leaves - note extra comma)? Proto 14:03, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I suppose, as a kind of fun, circular self-referential thing, you could point that out and then quote what she has to say about the Oxford comma. Does she say anything? –Hajor 01:46, 26 May 2005 (UTC) (Postscript: does she say anything about an Oxford comma before an ampersand? Is that why she chose the title?)

 * If you want to pick on the title, pick on the hyphen. — mendel ☎ 01:07, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

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The Real World: Syndey
Hi. Thanks for including that other source that gives Cohutta's last name. However, you may have noticed that the formatting tag for the citation you deleted was the "ref name" tag, which is used when the citation is used multiple times in the article. In deleting it, you inadverdantly removed the source for the subsequent instances in article in which that source is used, like the instance regarding Trisha's alleged racism, which also uses that source. (To get an idea of the problem, go to the version of the page right before you edited, and you'll see the Cite Error in the References section.) I restored that source not only for this reason, but also because it supports Cohutta's middle name, whereas the one you cited only supports his last. Together they support his full name, which is the form you chose to leave in his box in the cast list. Thanks again. :-) Nightscream 06:09, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Oops, sorry about that. I'll keep that in mind in the future.

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Sidney Johnston Catts

Sidney Johnston Catts (July 31, 1863 – March 9, 1936) was an American politician, businessman, and anti-Catholic activist. He served as the 22nd governor of Florida from 1917 to 1921 as a member of the Prohibition Party, despite being a Democrat for most of his career. He became involved in criminal procedures due to his activities as governor and for business activities. Although he was later acquitted, he went bankrupt in the process.

Early life
Sidney Johnston Catts was born on his father's plantation in Pleasant Hill, Alabama on July 31, 1863, to Adeline Rebecca Smyly and Samuel W. Catts, a Confederate captain, and was named after Confederate General Albert Sidney Johnston. In 1866, his nurse accidentally stabbed one of his eyes with a pair of scissors while cutting pictures causing him to lose sight in it.

He earned a law degree from Cumberland School of Law at Cumberland University in 1882. In 1885, he was ordained as a pastor and worked in Alabama until 1910, when he moved to Florida. He later became an insurance salesman and then a teacher. In November 1886, he married Alice May Campbell, a relative of Lord Colin Campbell.

U.S. House of Representatives campaigns
In March 1904, Catts announced that he would seek the Democratic nomination against James Thomas Heflin to represent Alabama's 5th congressional district in the United States House of Representatives. During the campaign Catts gave $250 to another politician to canvass a county, but that politician later placed a bet using the money that Heflin would win. Heflin defeated Catts in the primary and following his defeat Catts endorsed Heflin.

On April 7, 1930, he announced that he would seek the Democratic nomination in Florida's 3rd congressional district, but was defeated by incumbent Representative Tom Yon in the Democratic primary.

1916 gubernatorial campaign
In 1914, Catts announced that he would run for the Democratic nomination for governor of Florida. Catts would be the first political candidate to campaign using an automobile in Florida (a Ford Model T). This would give him an advantage by visiting areas in the state that were isolated and did not receive of other candidates who wanted to visit towns that were close to or on railroads. For many in the state, it would be the first time they would ever see a car. He would compete against William V. Knott who called "economy in government", equalizing tax laws, making pensions for Civil War veterans bigger and improving roads. Catts would also mount a loudspeaker to his car as well. He would once claim that a group of Catholics in Apalachicola were planning to assassinate him and he said that his would force him to bring revolvers with him.

Democratic primary and recount
Catts would win the Democratic Party's primary that was held on June 6, 1916. The Bryan Primary law would require that voting provide for a first and second choice ballot in the case of a runoff. Many voters didn't understand the procedure and ended up casting only first choice ballots. Some of the election officials would insist later on that voters were not aware the second choice votes were supposed to be counted as well. Both Catts and Knots would accuse each other of voter fraud. When all ballots were counted it was announced that Catts received 33,429 votes while Knott got 33,169. Knott would go to court demanding that a recount occur. Catts would say that he would run in the general election no matter what would legally happen. The Florida Supreme Court would rule on August 9 that Knott had won the primary by 21 votes. The Prohibition Party would hold a convention during late June where they nominated Catts for governor. On October 10, Catts would ask for the Prohibition Party to have him as a candidate in the main election.

After the primary, he would take 7 trips across the state between June and November. During this time most of his messaging from prior to the primaries would remain the same. However, he would attack the Catholic church saying that they had provided funds that were used for the recount.

Inauguration
Catts was inaugurated as governor on January 2, 1917. During the parade, cars would be used for the first time and replace buggies that were previously used with 50 cars participating in the parade. The Model T that Catts had used was adorned with a sign saying: "THIS IS THE CAR THAT GOT ME HERE" and his son Rozier would drive the car for him. Democratic justices of the Florida Supreme Court would refuse to take their places that were designated in the parade until Catts' attorney, W.W. Flournoy persuaded them to. The inauguration itself would be the first Florida inauguration to filmed. In his inauguration speech, Catts stated: Your triumph is no less in this good hour in beautiful Florida, for you have withstood the onslaughts of the county and state political rings, the corporations, the railroads, the fierce opposition of the press and organization of the negro voters of this state against you and the power of the Roman Catholic hierarchy against you. Yet over all of these the common people of Florida, the everyday cracker people have triumphed. Towards the end of the day, an inaugural ball and banquet would be held. He and his wife would refuse to participate in the inaugural ball. Catts would opt out of having the traditional punch that was served at the inaugural banquet.

Tenure
During his first message to the state legislature Catts would call for statewide prohibition, abolition of the convict lease system, an inheritance tax that would be graduated, more power for the state tax commission to investigate large corporations that were avoiding taxation, manual labor colleges for boys and girls, elimination of the Bryan primary law, taxation of church property and adoption of a guarantee law for banks. His address to the legislature was described as being well received by the press in Florida. The 1917 session of the state legislature would accomplish close to nothing in the end.

At the onset of World War I as Florida teemed with a never-before-seen wave of Anti-German sentiment, Catts attempted to exploit this to further his own anti-Catholic and racist agendas. The governor publicly theorized that the German-American monks of Saint Leo Abbey in Pasco County were planning to arm Florida's black community for a popular revolt in favor of Kaiser Wilhelm II, after which Pope Benedict XV would take over Florida and move the Holy See to nearby San Antonio (itself a largely German and Catholic community) and close all Protestant churches. These speeches caused some German-Americans in the area to migrate to other parts of the United States. The abbot of St. Leo, Right Rev. Charles Mohr, OSB, published several dignified responses to these conspiracy theories. In support of the St. Leo monks, many Pasco County Protestants made it a point to appear in public with local Catholics. Because of the backlash, Catts was forced to tone down his rhetoric when in the area.

In April 1917, he admitted that he sent an insulting letter to Attorney General Thomas Watt Gregory asking for Black Campbell, his brother-in-law who was in federal prison due to stealing $1,000 while serving as a bookkeeper in an Alabama bank, to be given a pardon.

In, 1919 Catts publicly labeled black residents as part of "an inferior race," and refused to criticize two lynchings. He was quoted in the press as saying that "only the vagrant, vagabond, worthless negro is lynched". When the NAACP complained about these lynchings, Catts wrote denouncing the organization and blacks generally, declaring that "Your Race is always harping on the disgrace it brings to the state by a concourse of white people taking revenge for the dishonoring of a white woman, when if you would . . . [teach] your people not to kill our white officers and disgrace our white women, you would keep down a thousand times greater disgrace."

During April 1919, Catts would request the US Department of Labor abolish the Florida Division of Negro Economics. He would also say at the same time that he wanted the US Employment Service's head to be replaced with a personal friend of his. He accused the black officers of the Division of inciting race riots and also said they encouraged miscegenation.

Mulberry in Polk County would witness strikes from phosphate miners starting in May 1919. 3,000 workers who were both black and white would end up participating. Catts along with Sheriff Logan would tour the strike zone. After doing the tour he would make an announcement saying he was in support of those who were striking. The mining companies would respond to strikes by importing black laborers as replacements for those who were on strike. Miners who were on strike would at one point ambush a car convoy carrying these workers in the outskirts of Bartow killing a strikebreaker and wounding a mine guard who was a deputy sheriff. Another significant event during the strikes was when a group of 4 white guards from Prairie Pebble Mine would fire on Mulberry, resulting in the deaths of 3 African Americans. Sheriff Logan would arrest and jail the guards in Bartow. Catts would end up removing Logan from his office because he felt he did not do enough to prevent violence in the first place.

Later life
Catts was ineligible to run for reelection in 1920, and he ran for the Democratic nomination for U.S. Senate, but lost by a large margin to incumbent Democratic Senator Duncan U. Fletcher.

On April 14, 1921, the Florida Senate voted to approve a resolution that would order a legislative investigation into Catts' pardons and appointments due to rumors about him accepting bribes in exchange for them and the state house voted to approve it four days later. On May 5 he was indicted by the Bradford county grand jury for accepting a $700 bribe to pardon J. J. Coleman, who was given life imprisonment in 1918 for the murder of a deputy sheriff, but resisted arrest for five days before surrendering. However, on May 19 a federal warrant against him was issued for the involuntary servitude of two black people forced to work on his plantation and was arrested two days later and stated that "my enemies won't let me alone" when arrested. While on bond awaiting trial Catts spoke at an Independence Day celebration in Macon, Georgia despite protests from members of the board of aldermen who stated that it was improper to have somebody that was indicted for criminal charges speak. On August 16, 1921, he stated that he was confident that he would be acquitted on all charges. In November his initial indictment was recharged and two other indictments were also issued. On May 16, 1922, his defense's motion to dismiss the indictments against Catts' bribery charges was accepted by the judge. On July 21 he filed a petition of voluntary bankruptcy as he had $44,000 in liabilities and less than $2,000 in assets. On November 20 he was acquitted by an all white jury for the involuntary servitude and bribery charges and the federal charges against him were later dropped.

Shortly after he left office he became involved in a company with F. L. Jester and in September 1921, he was called before a superior court for questioning for his involvement in a fraudulent business.

Catts ran for the Democratic nomination for governor in 1924 and 1928, but lost both times. During the 1928 presidential election he was one of the Democrats who supported Republican Herbert Hoover over Democrat Al Smith, who was Catholic.

On April 9, 1929, Catts was indicted by a federal grand jury in Jacksonville for aiding and abetting in counterfeiting money with multiple other people in a plan to distribute $1,000,000 in counterfeited money. His first trial in October resulted in a mistrial and was acquitted at his second trial.

Catts would end up spending the final 8 years of his life in DeFuniak Springs where he would get involved with real estate and farming there.

On March 9, 1936, Catts died at his home, Sun Bright, in DeFuniak Springs, Florida at the age of 72. In 1979, the house he lived in from 1924 to 1936 was added to the National Register of Historic Places.

Personal life
His wife Alice gave birth to a son, Sidney J. Catts Jr. on July 22, 1894, in Fort Deposit, Alabama. Catts Jr. would become a lawyer and eventually go into politics just like his father did. One of his sons, Rozier would eventually marry a Catholic woman from Key West. Catts would accept her as part of the family and say that any father should welcome the wife of his son no matter what her religion is. When Catts moved back to DeFuniak Springs for the final 8 years of his life, he was known to distill and drink peach brandy.

Catts was involved with Freemasonry. He was also a Woodman of the World and a member of the Knights of Pythias.

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