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Digitiser

Digitiser was a video games magazine that was broadcast on Teletext in the UK between 1993 and 2003. It originally billed itself as "The World's Only Daily Game Magazine".

The page was launched on 1 January 1993 on page 370 of the Teletext service on ITV before transferring over to Channel 4 later that year. It was updated daily except on Sundays, apart from a nine-month period in 2002 when it went to three days a week, weekends and holidays.

It was followed by up to 1.5 million viewers at its peak popularity. The magazine was notable for its surreal and risqué humour as well as its games coverage. Digitiser was advertised on the back of multiple issues of the multi-platform video game magazine Electric Brain.

Digitiser was created by writers Paul Rose and Tim Moore who went by the pseudonyms Mr Biffo and Mr Hairs. They wrote it together for the first four years while Rose wrote more or less solo for the remaining six in a freelance capacity.

History
Digitiser frequently courted controversy, inspiring criticism both from outside groups and Teletext's own editorial team, who viewed the writers as troublemakers but were unable to axe them due to the magazine's popularity. Pages were often altered without the writers' knowledge, with sub-editors sometimes deleting entire frames of reviews for fear of missing a risqué joke.

On one occasion, a sub-editor, who shortly afterwards was promoted to editorial director of the company, rang Rose to insist he remove a "disgusting" reference to "fingering the index". When Rose pointed out that it was a play on "index finger", and that it had not even dawned on him that it might be considered rude, the up-and-coming sub-editor allegedly went silent for a few seconds, before insisting that it was still deliberately provocative, and should be deleted. A similar confrontation occurred over a reference to "The three Rs", during which sub-editors believed that - despite Biffo's amused protests to the contrary - the "Rs" part of the phrase was meant to sound a bit like "arse", rather than a reference to the famous educational principle.

Campaigns were even waged to have Digitiser's writing team fired - both within Teletext by its editorial minions, and beyond (by disgruntled Amiga, Sega, Sony, or Nintendo fans, not to mention the staff of Mean Machines and Official Nintendo magazines - whom Digitiser frequently poked fun at). Such reactions merely served to redouble Biffo's resolve to be controversial and edgy, and as he often wrote on the letters pages, Digitiser "hates everyone equally, man".

Digitiser became remarkably popular, despite (or in part due to) the sometimes risqué content, because of the novel reviews, format, and sometimes bizarre tone. Biffo's battles with his employers helped to give Digitiser a defiant, anti-establishment air.

Things finally came to a head in 2002, when Teletext gained a new senior editorial team, who lost patience with Biffo's pushing of the envelope of what was acceptable on a mainstream text service. Even though they could not quite bring themselves to get rid of Digitiser and Biffo altogether, they ordered that the magazine be reduced to three days a week, and have all humour and character stripped from the pages. Despite massive evidence to the contrary, and being one of the most popular features sections on Teletext, Biffo has said since that he was told the reason for this was because the humour "excluded people". Another reason for the reduction to three days a week, and the removal of the Panel 4 feature at weekends, was the negative financial effects felt after the September 11 attacks on Teletext Ltd.'s core business of advertising air travel holidays.

Despite facing pressure from the new senior editorial team, Biffo continued to write the pages anonymously, but reduced his work to 45 minutes a day. The decision later backfired on Teletext, when Digitiser's viewing figures plummeted to 400,000 per day from its peak of 1.5 million, and viewers spent the next nine months inundating the company with letters of complaint, demanding that Digitiser's humour and characters be restored. After thousands of emails and letters had poured into Teletext they were forced to go back on their previous decision, and asked Biffo to reinstate the humour, and return Digitiser to its daily glory. However, for Biffo the damage had been done, and his last shreds of faith in the company had been shattered. After Biffo handed in his notice in December 2002, he returned Digitiser to its earlier style for one final, four-month run as a thank you to the fans - which included a special ten-year anniversary celebration, complete with a glowing eulogy by author Alex Garland. The lights finally went out on just over ten years of Digitiser on 9 March 2003.

Digitiser was replaced by GameCentral, which featured the same number of sub-pages, but none of the humour with then editor Tony Mott explaining "We're not Digitiser so get over it" to readers on the first edition.

The writers
The founding writers of Digitiser were Mr Biffo (Paul Rose) and Mr Hairs (Tim Moore) who, as Biffo himself says, only began working on it in order to "amuse ourselves and get free games". Hairs was fired by Teletext in May 1996, and Biffo continued to write the bulk of the magazine solo, apart for occasional, part-time contributors, who helped him out with the letters, tips, and charts pages.

These temporary assistants went by the names Mr Cheese, Mr Udders and Mr Toast. Digitiser also ran a weekly opinion column, written by various guest writers, usually prominent members of the games journalist community (such as Violet Berlin and Stuart Campbell).

Recent news
In their 10 December 2006 episode, videoGaiden inducted Digitiser into their videoGaiden Time Capsule with the aid of Colin Baker in his Doctor Who outfit, and the song "Lavender" by Rose's favourite band, Marillion.

Regular characters
Regular characters appeared on the service both to fill up space left by short reviews and letters, and also to flesh out the content provided by the writers.

The Man With a Long Chin (later renamed The Man) - The Man kept a regular diary in which he would detail the job he had been doing that week, before (usually) getting fired at the end of the week. One of The Man's jobs saw him working in a burger bar. He was eventually fired when he replaced the toilet paper with gloves from the lost property box, and someone froze to death in the toilet.

The Man's Daddy (later renamed Daddy) - a bizarre ant/elephant creature who declared himself to be a famous comedian. His jokes tended to be disjointed, usually relying on a nonsense answer or a far-fetched pun. His jokes included: ''Question. Why did Superman wear his pants outside his trousers? Answer. Because he was a pervert., Question.: What do you call a dog wearing a policeman's hat? Answer: PC Dog-hat and Question.: What do you say if there is a seed in your pie and a man in your yard? Answer: "Seed pie leave now". ''

Mr. T - A take on Mr. T from The A-Team, who would dispense worldly advice, while warning kids to stay away from his bins. His distinctive vocal style was brought across by the use of capitalisation of entire words in a sentence.

Phoning Honey - Would phone up stores in order to make prank calls, and present the transcript for readers' perusal.

Fat Sow - Presented the news page, and began every article with a wild insult, and a demand that the reader stop whatever they are doing to pay attention to the rant. Rose allegedly received a written warning when Teletext's editors deemed Fat Sow's comment "What's the matter lads - too fat and stupid to get into the army?" as "Grossly offensive towards security guards".

Zombie Dave - A reanimated corpse who appeared on the news page and punctuated the items with comments written in the manner of the shambling dead. This was frequently used as an excuse to get rude comments screened on the family-friendly service, such as when he described Tomb Raider's Lara Croft as a "thrr brrrd wrrz thrr tttrrrdz" kind of sound.

Insincere Dave - A send-up of fanboys, marketing staff and ultra-positive reviewers; in particular the over enthusiastic Dave Gibbons who at that time was the games reviewer for the BBC Ceefax service. Dave would comment briefly on the news items of the day in an overly optimistic and enthusiastic fashion. Famously, any spare space on the line his comments occupied would be filled with exclamation marks, further emphasising his "sincerity." Example: on a story about a pink casing accessory for the Dreamcast, Dave commented that, "Now your DC can be in the pink!!!!!!!". Very occasionally, a more deadpan Dave would appear: on a story regarding Microsoft's intention to ensure that the Xbox marketing budget outweighed Sony's PS2 expenditure, Dave remarked that, "Money is the most important thing." Dave's comments were usually preceded by a rather acid take on the day's gaming events, adding a further element of juxtaposition to Dave's enthusiasm.

The Snakes - A pair of beatboxing snakes, which would argue in a manner similar to that of Ali G (but pre-dating him by some years). Led to the catchphrase "I Cuss You Bad", along with the use of the word "Skank".

BW - A faceless quizmaster, who was a bizarre parody of Bamber Boozler, quizmaster of Teletext quiz Bamboozle, often appearing to be nude.

Gossi the Dog - Perhaps Digitiser's most controversial character, Gossi hosted a regular gaming gossip page. On one occasion, the Broadcasting Standards Commission upheld a complaint about the Gossi page, which alluded to Gossi's master thrashing the talking cartoon dog with a belt. Gossi's page also led to the dismissal of Tim Moore, who - while Rose was away on paternity leave - printed an unsubstantiated rumour about a fellow games journalist Dave Perry. Teletext's editors allegedly used the absence of Rose (who remained useful to the company for his graphic design abilities), and the journalist's complaint, as an excuse to fire Moore.

Doctor Derek Doctors - A sinister megalomaniac, whom Biffo and Hairs secretly removed from air, after a concerned mother rang to say she found him "Perverted and disgusting".

Chester Fisho - Chester gave views on the news of the day laced with masses of sexual innuendo.

Mock advertisements
During Teletext's 16-year run, many of its subpages would have adverts inserted on the last page. Digitiser decided to create their own spoof adverts as a result. One of the most notable was for a fictional German music compilation called Rock Meister!, which included stereotypical German words as in "Rock dir night mit ROCK MEISTER!!", instead of the official "Rock der nacht!" as the advertisement was poking fun of stereotypes made at the German language, alongside stating the compilation is "Musik fur dir LONGHAIRS!". Artists on the compilation were listed as Roxette (although they came from Sweden) and The Scorpions, while "NOT A REAL GERMAN ADVERT" was placed at the top left of the screen instead of the usual "NOT AN ADVERT". This was done as a viewer contacted Teletext over a previous spoof believing it to be real.

Reveal button
The reveal button was a feature that was made heavy use of on Digitiser. Pressing this key on your television remote made some previously hidden text appear, sometimes with a blinking effect. Typical jokes would tell you to press reveal to see what a certain character thought of your letter, or a news item, and you would be presented with a surreal non-sequitur, such as a man shouting "Swayze!" The weekend edition would often feature a full-length "story," told through "Reveal-O"s (as they were often called - see "Digi-Speak") on every page.

The most controversial "Reveal-O" appeared right at the end of Digitiser's life, on the final page of the final letters section. It purported to be a picture of "the real Turner The Worm (a cartoon character from Teletext also created by Rose ) being sick". Pressing the reveal button then uncovered an image that many have likened to a recently ejaculated penis.

The end-of-year quiz featured lizard like creatures pointing to the correct answer with its tongue when the button was pressed.

Digi-Speak
A further element of Digitiser's other-worldly charm was its unusual take on the English language. Often this amounted to little more than using "the" in unusual places or adding curious suffixes to existing words (including, but not limited to -uss, -O, -ston, -Oh! and -me-do), but occasionally invented whole new sounds using words that never been used in that context, such as "huss" becoming an exclamation of joy.

Another very common Digitiser phrase was the expression "mess up". It was used to mean erring or failing, to rebuke or discredit a person's opinion ("You, sir, have messed up"), as an adjective meaning substandard or faulty ("messed-up animation"), and as a noun meaning any negative thing ("there are several mess-ups"). The phrase, like many others, was embraced by the readers who often used it in their letters. The author Alex Garland was a Digitiser fan and named a chapter in his novel The Beach "Messed Up" in its honour.

Using tramps as similes ("That's like putting lipstick on a dead tramp and calling it a supermodel"), the phrase moc-moc-a-moc and irrelevant sentences which read merely "And!" were all elements of the Digitiser lexicon.

It was common practice for Digitiser to mock the names of contributors to its letters page. Generally, the more obvious the better (for example a reader with the surname "Major" could well find themselves being referred to as "John"). Notable bits of name-calling included Digitiser viewer Matt Gander being rechristened "non-shiny goose", and a Mr. Tedesco being called "Safedeway", alluding to supermarket chains Tesco and Safeway.

Bubblegun.com
Bubblegun.com is a website that was established by Paul Rose, and featured contributions from several other writers. Touting itself as a Pop Culture version of Digitiser, this site gained popularity around the last few years of Digitiser, being named by Select magazine as one of the UK's top 10 "maverick websites". Though Paul Rose has not written for the site in over a decade, it remains as an archive run by its former designer, Steve Horsley. Though remaining unaffiliated with Rose - who has distanced himself from it - Bubblegun has featured new material from all-new contributors.

Digitiser 2000
In late 2014, Digitiser received an online revival of sorts with the launch of Digitiser2000.com, a website featuring a mixture of games news and reviews, articles and humour, in the traditional Digitiser offbeat style, and featuring many of the characters and features previously seen in the Teletext era of Digi. The content for the new site is largely written by Paul "Mr Biffo" Rose and was essentially self-funded at launch; Rose has since enabled a crowdfunding page through Patreon to enable readers to contribute towards the site's running costs (though the site's core content will remain freely available for all to view).

Mr Biffo's Found Footage
In 2017, Paul Rose successfully funded a Kickstarter campaign to bring together "Mr Biffo's Found Footage", a comedy/sci-fi montage series in the found footage style. The full series was released for free on YouTube weekly each Sunday, beginning on 10 September 2017 and ending on 22 October 2017.

Digitiser the Show
In 2018, a second Kickstarter campaign by Paul Rose was funded - over 1000 backers raised more than £44000 to create Digitiser the Show, a weekly six-part YouTube show featuring regular co-hosts Mr Biffo, Larry Bundy Jr, Octavius Kitten, Gameplay Jenny and Paul Gannon, and special guests from across the gaming community. Episodes also included appearances by various Teletext Digitiser characters in acted or puppet form, and the original Mr Hairs.

A third Kickstarter campaign by Rose for a second series, titled Digitiser the Show: Level 2, was also successful, with 980 backers pledging over £74000. The series will be hosted by Mr Biffo and Gannon, with appearances from Octavius and Bundy alongside other guests. The series is planned to be filmed throughout 2022 for release in early 2023 to coincide with Digitiser's 30th anniversary.

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Talk:List of Quakers

Dup?
We already have a list at the main Quaker article. Do we have enough references to individaual quakers to nessecitate a seperate list? Lyellin 14:18, Aug 12, 2004 (UTC)
 * I'm wondering why this is an article rather than a category. Or for that matter, simple a references to the existing categories such as Category:Australian Quakers.
 * I propose that we progressively edit each of the people listed here and add either Category:nationality_Quakers or Category:Notable_Quakers or Category:Notable_ex_Quakers or simply Category:Quakers - and if anyone has better ideas for the labels please reply. Then once that's done, simply change this article into an index for the categories. (It doesn't seem possible to transclude a category, unfortunately.) Martin Kealey (talk) 02:55, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Who to List
What about Joan Baez? She was raised a Quaker and was obviously influenced by the Peace Testimony. Logophile 14:26, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I would suggest either going with how people choose/chose to identify personally, or create a separate section for other people "affiliated" with Quakerism (although that could become a slippery slope). I don't believe that Joan Baez identifies herself as Quaker, so I would leave her off (unless I'm wrong on that detail). --Ahc 15:13, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * According to, "as an adult she claimed not to share her parents' Quaker faith." Sdedeo 19:31, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Edward Backhouse was a forger. I'm not sure he should be in a list of Quakers, as his actions are not consistent with Quaker beliefs. Logophile 10:16, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Nor were the most notable of Richard Nixon's, but I think it's clear that he should be listed. I don't think it make sense to start trying to argue who is and is not a good enough Quaker to be listed, I feel we would quickly loose neutrality. --Ahc 15:05, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I take your point and agree with you. I retract my prior comment. Logophile 12:48, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * The Lyndon LaRouche article includes information that LaRouche was raised as a Quaker, which is in his official biographical information. LaRouche sought and obtained a conscientious objector status in WWII, but then changed his mind and enlisted. A researcher in Quaker history recently found records of the LaRouche family's involvement in the Lynn (Massachussetts) Monthly Meeting. Within 5 years of moving to the community, at the age of 18, LaRouche's conduct was discussed by the congregation at a quarterly meeting, apparently for slandering other members, among other charges. After further discussions he was "disowned" sixteen months later, and the rest of his family resigned in protest. I am not a Quaker myself, and I do not know what "disownment" is.  It sounds like a removal from the congregation.  -Willmcw 21:57, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * External link: The disownment of Lyndon LaRouche Austin Meredith, 2005, Brown University, the Kouroo Contexture: The History of Quakerism (PDF)

I think we should consider some guidelines for this list. A few of the people on it did not remain Quakers. Elisha Gray, for instance, became a Presbyterian. Logophile 20:28, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Sounds like a good idea. Any suggestions for the guidelines?  In a couple articles I've worked on the past, someone would propose a set of guidelines, and others would edit until a final set emerged.   --Ahc 13:57, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't know if I agree with that suggestion. Is it proposed to limit the list to those who never left the faith? Who maintained membership in a meeting their whole lives? That would be a much less interesting list. -Willmcw 23:15, May 9, 2005 (UTC)

 * To be clear. I didn't mean to suggest that Elisha Gray should come off.  I think the idea of guidelines is a good idea. --Ahc 15:26, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I brought it up because Ahc had earlier advised not putting Joan Baez on the list because we do not know if she still considers herself a Quaker. If we don't put her on the list, then Gray, who became a Presbyterian, would not qualify for the same reason.  Here's what I propose.  Let's divide the list into two parts.  Part 1 (Quakers) is people who were born and raised as Quakers or joined a Meeting and never left or were disowned.  Part 2 is People with Quaker Roots.  The only other alternative I can imagine is putting anybody on the list who was ever a Quaker.  I could go along with that, too.  Logophile 18:53, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

 * That's a logical distinction and I'd support it. -Willmcw 20:45, May 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * How about a Third Part: Quakers Who Were Disowned? It would include a wide variety of people: from [Betsy Ross] to Isaac  Hopper (an abolitionist who was disowned by New York City Friends in the 19th Century) to Lin Marcus/aka [Lyndon LaRouche]. Might give an interesting picture of what kinds of behavior Friends of different eras thought were just going too far! -- Rich Accetta-Evans  January 6, 2006

 * I think it would make the page too complicated. I think the current scheme is best, but I won't stand in the way of somebody else's adding a section like that.  I think the various Quakers who have been disowned could be put in Quaker history, if the sourcing is good.  Logophile 06:39, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree with Logophile. I think this would add too much complexity to the list. --Ahc 04:18, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Olaf Stapledon
Olaf Stapledon? --Eric Forste 21:28, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Uh no. I've read several biographies of him for the work I'm doing and he was pretty solidly agnostic. Before their friendship totally broke off he told H. G. Wells that "people actually think I've become a Christian", in kind of a mixture of disgust and amusement. Towards the end of his life he said if he'd be any kind of religion he'd be Quaker, but then went on to say how he felt they failed in certain areas.--T. Anthony 15:56, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Christopher Fry
Someone just forwarded me something that purports to be the the Economist obituary of playwright Christopher Fry. The obituary calls the playwright "a Christian and a Quaker". --Eric Forste 00:22, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Klaus Fuchs
Does Klaus Fuchs belong on this list? I am not aware of any evidence that he was a Quaker. I will not remove him until after giving anyone with more information a chance to respond. -- Rich Accetta-Evans January 6, 2006

The Pease Family
I recently discovered a big error in this list. Edward Pease was not the first Quaker member of Parliament. His son Joseph was. The mistake was probably based on a website that used an ambiguous "he" meaning the son but leading someone to think it was the father. We need to be on the lookout for other places where this might need to be corrected.

Also, the two Edward Peases are said by one website to be related, which I think is probably true. It would be nice to find that relationship and point it out. Logophile 12:31, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I took a look at the LDS's genealogy search engine, which does list both men, but I couldn't find direct ties. I've mostly used them in the past to track American Quakers which often goes better (they have reviewed much of the meeting minutes in various archives and so have surprisingly complete data), but that does not seem to be as carefully done for British Friends (I could think of several reasons for this).  But a lack of a connection  (particullary in 1 data source) is hardly evidence that there isn't one. --Ahc 14:38, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Cheryl Tiegs
I can't find a source yet and won't put her name in unless/until I can find one, but I have a notion that Cheryl Tiegs is or at one time described herself as a Friend. Does that ring any bells with anyone? Dpbsmith (talk) 13:30, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Lifetime TV says "Raised on a farm in rural Minnesota with no running water or electricity, Tiegs cherished her idyllic surroundings and the meditative quality of her family's Quaker faith." Apparently a birthright Quaker, anyway. Dpbsmith (talk) 13:34, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Roger Fry's sisters
I have added Joan Mary and Margery Fry to the list, as they were Quakers (Roger was not, I think) and have merited entried in ODNB. If no-one else wants to tackle these Redlinks, I'll probably get down to condensing the ODNB articles and googling around sometime before Christmas (year not specified)  Vernon White 22:17, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

John L.P. Maynard Quaker Bagpiper and humorist and early silent spokesperson for Quaker Minimalism.
Any action on this dubious entry? ---Vernon White 07:06, 3 October 2006 (UTC) _____________

This entry removed and article page marked for deletion. Entry for William Martin "Actve Quaker naturist" removed as non-Notable. ---Vernon White (talk)  14:33, 26 October 2006 (UTC) _____________

David W. Dennis, congressman (R-Ind.)
I note that this person received a Quaker education. Does that make him a Quaker, please? === Vernon White (talk)  12:58, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No, attending a Friends school does not make a person Quaker. Most people that attend Friends schools are not Quakers. --Ahc 13:49, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think he can have been a very active Quaker after he left Earlham. Friend of Nixon, though. I'll remove him from the List of Quakers.=== Vernon White  (talk)  14:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Joshua Humphreys, ship builder, 1751-1838
If this person is "The Father of the American Navy" then he is unlikely to have remained a Quaker, although it is stated (Famous Americans website) that his grandfather was a Quaker settler from Wales.

John Lawrence, Suffolk Yeoman Farmer
Doesn't seem to be much point in having this entry, if nothing more is known of him. Does the editor who added him to the list intend to write an article, please?=== Vernon White (talk)  22:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Now removed from list === Vernon White (talk)  00:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Piers Anthony
In what sense is this writer a Quaker? The article mentions he is an agnostic but not an Agnostic Quaker. He served in the U.S. Army, which is a rather unquakerly career choice. === Vernon White  '''. . . Talk''' 19:19, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Now removed from "List of Quakers" Vernon White  . . . Talk 13:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

F. Murray Abraham
Is this person a Quaker? The article makes no mention of his being a member of the Religious Society of Friends. === Vernon White  '''. . . Talk''' 19:24, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Now removed from "List of Quakers" Vernon White  . . . Talk 13:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Tyne Daly
Someone has added her to this list. "(I know someone who has attended meeting with her in California)". I have asked them for further evidence. (She played a Quaker character in Christy (TV series), I know.) Vernon White  '''. . . Talk''' 13:20, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Edmond Privat
Someone has added to the list a redlinked Edmond Privat. As far as I can see, the Esperanto wikipedia doesn't mention that he was a\Quaker. Vernon White '''. . . Talk''' 21:02, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * He was an important quaker for Switzerland Yearly Meeting. See fr:Edmond Privat, fr:Liste de quakers. -- Greetings from MHM-en (talk) 21:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * http://www.swiss-quakers.ch/english/histoire.html —Sladen (talk) 21:37, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Reviving
This became a redirect based on the opinion of one person using an inaccurate precedent of List of Christians. Granted the example of List of Methodists was maybe not the best as I created that list. However for comparable examples I can cite...

 * List of Puritans - Over a year old.
 * List of people with Restoration Movement ties - Over 21 months old.
 * List of Baptists - Over two years old.
 * List of American Presbyterians Sadly typical of the deletion process.--T. Anthony (talk) 11:22, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Lists of Roman Catholics - Over three years old.
 * List of Unitarians, Universalists, and Unitarian Universalists - Over five years old.

The "List of Christians" was partly deleted for being too generalized. Specific denomination lists have generally been safer. (Except for a sneaky prodding of "List of Lutherans") Still if it's desired it go AfD is more honest.--T. Anthony (talk) 11:40, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

 * If there is to be an alphabetical list, then:

 * 1) There must be criteria for identifying who is and who isn't a Quaker, as well as what comprises "notability" in Quaker-historical terms.
 * 2) The list must be checked, frequently and regularly, to remove spurious entries or, if the subject has some contact with the Religious Society of Friends but not a member, place them in a separate list.
 * 3) As there is over 350 years of history, it is important that each entry includes a date of birth, death or period of activity.
 * 4) Please note that I have already started Category:Quakers by century, with sub-categories for the 17th and 18th centuries, so far. Vernon White  . . . Talk 19:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I'm not wedded to it being alphabetical. If anyone wishes to reorganize by occupation or nationality or something that's fine. I have tried to source it better, but I'm hoping not to be alone in that.--T. Anthony (talk) 00:08, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I have B-D, F. H, S, and W yet to source. I might do "D" later tonight, but I think I'll stop there and let others do the rest.--T. Anthony (talk) 04:38, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree with Vernon's rules. They seem sensible, and hopefully will encourage us to address the problems this list had during its last round of existence before it gets out of hand. --Ahc (talk) 05:21, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Oh I also agree in so much as I understand them. I might add some dates in certain cases, but others seem to be doing better on that.--T. Anthony (talk) 09:13, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry but you should never simply restore a deletion (even soft deletion) when WP:BLP is clearly cited. We cannot have unsourced articles that give out information about living people, and this list was a poor example of that. I am happy to see that the restoration involved the addition of sources but there are still many entries that still don't have a reference - I know it's an arduous task but it needs to be done or the entries removed.

To clarify, the given precedent was not inappropriate and the examples given above are generally well-sourced, which this wasn't at the time. violet/riga (t) 11:19, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

 * It is sourced now, there was no discussion, and there was no deletion debate. Any BLP concerns would be just as true with a category if not moreso. If you see a name here that is unsourced and not categorized as a Quaker then remove it. The only basis for a redirect was one person's opinion about a precedent. Possibly that someone was you, but it makes no difference who it was.--T. Anthony (talk) 11:26, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

 * There is no mention of lists of living persons in WP:BLP. Should this matter be clarified? Vernon White  . . . Talk 17:26, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Yes. I meant to do that, but I need to eat dinner here soon. I'd even be okay with removing all living people and renaming it "List of historical Quakers" or something. I mean if their presence is a big enough problem.--T. Anthony (talk) 00:06, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

 * There's some discussion at Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons. Vernon White  . . . Talk 14:42, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Henry S. Taylor
WP article on Henry S. Taylor makes no Quaker connection. Vernon White '''. . . Talk''' 00:29, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Ned Rorem
The following added to the Ned Rorem talk page: "What evidence is there that Ned Rorem is a Quaker, please? BTW, a person who lives in a Quaker settlement or attends a Quaker School or College, or whose family have been Quakers for generations is not ncessarily a Quaker". --- Vernon White  '''. . . Talk''' 09:28, 15 February 2008 (UTC).
 * Moved to "Quaker roots". Vernon White  . . . Talk 13:55, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Rorem's Quaker background comes up in a number of his published diaries. I don't have them handy to quote, but if you run a google search with the three words < Ned Rorem Quaker > you will find a number of sources that cite not only a Quaker family background but Rorem's own identification as a Friend. In an interview concerning his upcoming opera based on Thornton Wilder's Our Town, Rorem makes a statement beginning, "We who are Quaker..." Fred Lane (talk) 02:31, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there any other evidence, please? There's a quote at ASCAP: October - November - December 1998 " I'm a Quaker, by the way, philosophically, though not religiously." This does not qualify him to be be called "a Quaker", which involves membership of a Quaker Meeting and worshiping with other Quakers regularly.  Vernon White  . . . Talk 23:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Sally Nicholls
I removed "Sally Nicholls, British children's author. " as her WP article says she is an attender. An attender is not a member, although attenders at YFGM of Britain YM have an ambiguous position. Vernon White '''. . . Talk''' 22:29, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

 * To add to my points below, which were posted before reading the above, I would like to say the following. Attenders are not members, by definition, but nor are all people who identify as, or are known as Quakers all in membership. Would you deny the name to those who claim it, who are also active in voluntary involvement in the running of major Quaker groups in the UK, unless they are also formally in membership? SamBC(talk) 22:44, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

 * The following edit was originally started before the above finished:
 * Regarding this edit—since when is this restricted to people in official membership? I'll admit here and now to knowing Sally (through YFGM), and I think it's ludicrous to only list people here if they are in membership. Is this meant to suggest that attenders can't be considered Quakers?

 * Sally served, IIRC, as representative from her old Monthly Meeting to YFGM, and was also a volunteer at the 2005 World Gathering of Young Friends. This interview also has her stating that she's a quaker. SamBC(talk) 22:36, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Britain YM hasn't yet addressed the issues raised by Who do we think we are? Young Friends' Commitment and Belonging, the 1998 Swarthmore Lecture presented by YFGM. However I do not believe it would be good if WP List of Quakers accepted as a Quaker anyone who declared themselves to be a Quaker. A view has also been expressed that some people would strongly object to being labelled a Quaker in a WP article.  May I suggest that we stick to the definition of membership in QF&P,  chapter 11], for British cases, until the anomolous position of YFGM is resolved.  I hope Sally has no objection to acquiring formal membership the old-fashioned way. BTW, The Friend has reported Sally to be "A Quaker Author"  Vernon White  . . . Talk 23:46, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

 * "However I do not believe it would be good if WP List of Quakers accepted as a Quaker anyone who declared themselves to be a Quaker. " Heavens, why on earth not? That's exactly the criterion you would use for the Church of England, Catholics, Buddhists, ...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.140.119.113 (talk) 12:01, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

 * The question of objection to being described as a quaker seems moot for someone who has described themselves as a quaker, as I linked to above. I guess if there's anyone on this list who lived before there was formal membership should be removed then...
 * This will especially limit the coverage of younger Friends, as many of us are loath to seek membership until we feel that we are likely settled in one area; otherwise we'll have to go through the extra fuss of transferring membership from one AM to another. The concept of non-geographic membership has been under examination by BYM for a while, but there is no resolution yet. I would point out that BYM will accept anyone as entitled to attend and participate in Yearly Meeting if the co-clerks of YFGM vouch for them. This leaves aside the issue of how objectionable many find it to deny the name of Friend, or Quaker, solely on the grounds of membership. SamBC(talk) 10:51, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

 * (For the avoidance of conflict/doubt, I first meet Sally Nicholls at a Quaker event in the mid 1990s).
 * I have deleted the troublesome word "attender" from the Sally Nicholls article. None of the references actually uses it.  One reference does say "member", however the same source makes a slight slip-up on the naming of " R SOF".
 * Originally Sally Nicholls was added to the first section ("definite Quakers"). The top of List of Quakers contains guidelines for use of the first and second category. The guidance for the second list appears to be inclusive, though is qualified with "...but then converted to another religion, formally or informally distanced themselves from the Society of Friends, or were disowned by their Friends Meeting.".  This does not appear to be the case, with the person in question—who comfortably self-identifies as a "Quaker" and is described by the relevant, leading Quaker press (The Friend) as being so.
 * —Sladen (talk) 11:46, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Richard Nixon and Herbert Hoover
I've read elsewhere that Nixon and Hoover were Quakers. In addition their Wikipedia entries state their religion as Quaker. Since neither are popular US Presidents and don't feel well-versed enough in the Friends I won't add them to the list. However if someone more knowledgeable about either of these men and their relationship with Quakers could explain their lack of inclusion (or why they should be added) that would be interesting. Thanks. KevinLyda (talk) 08:01, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It may be worth having a closer look at List of Quakers and List of Quakers! —Sladen (talk) 12:13, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

There are several brands of Quakerism in the US. As far as I know, Nixon belongs to a type that has "normal" Protestant services and is not pacifist. The Quaker Wiki pages are fairly informative about this. Bmcln1 (talk) 12:49, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

A.S. Byatt
I've removed her from the list because, according to her page in Wikipedia, she does not consider herself a Quaker, though she went to a Quaker school. She is quoted on the page as saying, "I am not a Quaker, of course, because I'm anti-Christian and the Quakers are a form of Christianity..." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.81.114 (talk) 12:22, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

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Ilka Chase
Ilka Chase has been added but the article on her makes no mention of Quakers. Vernon White '''. . . Talk''' 21:47, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

This ill-spelled, ill-punctuated, unreferenced article suggests that she had Quaker ancestors but was not brought up as a Quaker. I think she should be deleted unless other evidence of her Quakerism can be found. Bmcln1 (talk) 07:22, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

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Evermore (band)

Evermore were a rock band formed in Feilding, New Zealand, in 1999, made up of three brothers Jon (guitar, vocals), Peter (keyboards, bass guitar, vocals) and Dann Hume (drums, guitar, vocals). The band was based in Sydney from 2004 to 2007 and then Melbourne until they became inactive in 2014. Evermore released four studio albums: Dreams (2004), Real Life (2006), Truth of the World: Welcome to the Show (2009), and Follow the Sun (2012), as well as a self-titled compilation album (2010). Real Life and Truth of the World were their highest charting studio albums in New Zealand and Australia, while Dreams and Real Life received platinum certifications from Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA).

Evermore's most successful singles were "Running", "Light Surrounding You" (both 2006) and "Hey Boys and Girls (Truth of the World pt.2)" (2009) – "Light Surrounding You" peaked at number one in Australia. They were nominated for seven ARIA Music Awards and won two New Zealand Music Awards. The group's members won an APRA Silver Scroll song writing award and the Channel V Oz Artist of the Year Award. Evermore have not performed publicly since late 2014 and each of the members has undertaken a solo career.

Background
Evermore were formed in Feilding, Manawatu, New Zealand in 1999 as Electro by three brothers Jon Cobbe Hume (born Jonathan Daniel Cobbe,  1984 (age 21) Lismore, Australia) on guitar and vocals, Peter Elisha Hume (born Peter Elisha Cobbe,   1985, Whangaparāoa) on keyboards and bass guitar, and Dann Hume (born Daniel Benjamin Cobbe,   1987, Feilding) on drums, guitar and vocals. One of their ancestors John Cobbe (1859–1944) owned a general store in Feilding, became a New Zealand Member of Parliament for Oroua and later a sheep farmer. The brothers were introduced to music at a young age by their parents' record collection.

From 1994 all three brothers were partly home schooled in Feilding by their mother and were given piano lessons but taught themselves to play their other instruments. They were inspired by the Who, Led Zeppelin and Crowded House to pursue a music career. Electro entered the Rockquest competition for school groups in 1999. They changed their name to "Evermore", which references Led Zeppelin's song "The Battle of Evermore" (1971). Jon has said the trio's parents were supportive: "they always wanted us to do something creative... Nothing was too risky."

Rise to fame (2000–2003)
In 2000 as Evermore with Richard Higham on bass guitar, the four-piece group won Rockquest. They used the prize money to help fund their home studio, Red Sky Studio. Dann observed, "It started as a little room and then we needed to fit the drum kit in so we had to bust down another wall... Our parents put up with a lot but they're very tolerant." This line-up issued an independent four-track extended play, On the Way in 2000. The title track and "Into the Ocean" were co-written by Jon with Martyn Hume Cobbe. After a year Higham left the band to become a farmer. Evermore had other short-term members during their early years.

At the 2002 NZ Music Awards (later known as the Aotearoa Music Awards), Evermore members met talent manager New Zealand-born Australian-based Rebekah Campbell, who then travelled to Feilding to hear their demos. Campbell, as their manager, conferred with her mentor John Woodruff who signed the group to his publishing company, Rough Cut. Woodruff travelled to Auckland to promote Evermore at the launch of the 2003 Louis Vuitton Cup in October 2002, fellow attendees included Woodruff's Canadian business partner Donald K. Tarlton. Evermore signed with Tarlton's record label, Aquarius Records, for Canadian releases. The group's first single, "Slipping Away", was released independently on 1 December 2002, with only 300 copies pressed. However, it received regular airplay on Australian national youth radio Triple J.

Evermore toured supporting American band Brad in early January 2003. While on that tour they met Barrett Jones (of Visqueen), who offered to produce their material. The New Zealand trio's five-track EP, Oil & Water, independently released on 13 January 2003, resulted in the band's first Australian concert tour – funded by Triple J. The EP reached No. 15 on the ARIA Heavy Rock & Metal singles chart and sold in excess of 5000 copies in Australia. Dann reflected, "[that's] the size of Feilding". Later in January 2003 they performed at the Big Day Out in Auckland. In the following month the Hume brothers established Fuze Music Limited with Martyn Cobbe.

The group performed at SXSW in March 2003, Rodel Delfin of Hits Daily Double, listed them as one of 50 acts to see. Then they travelled to Toronto to play four shows. In August of that year the trio appeared on the cover of New Zealand Musician, following success in "Project NZM" – a promotion by radio station ZM to gain awareness for up-and-coming bands. My Own Way EP, the band's five-track next EP, was released on 15 September 2003 via East West and Warner, which reached No. 11 on the ARIA Hitseekers Singles chart.

Dreams (2004–2006)
Dreams, Evermore's debut studio album, was released on 27 September 2004 in Australia via East West and Warner. It peaked at No. 15 on the ARIA albums chart and No. 30 on the RIANZ albums chart. Three singles were issued from the album; "It's Too Late" (August), "For One Day" (February 2005), and "Come to Nothing" (May); with "It's Too Late" reaching the top 20 in Australia. It included a re-recorded version of "Into the Ocean". For the album the trio worked with Jones (Nirvana, Foo Fighters, Whiskeytown) and John Alagía co-producing with Jon. Initially they wanted to use their home studio, however Red Sky Studio and parts of Feilding were flooded in February 2004, so they travelled to Jones' Seattle-based studio.

After recording Dream the trio relocated to Sydney in mid-2004. All three singles were used in New Zealand and Australian promotion of American TV show The O.C., with "It's Too Late" ultimately appearing on the show. A remixed version of "It's Too Late" with Dirty South, titled "It's Too Late (Ride on)", was also released, and was used on various artists' compilation albums. Dreams differed from Evermore's earlier "retro-sounding, riff-based pop-rock" works, and instead contained a more "spacious" sound according to Jon. He said he drew inspiration and was influenced by Silverchair and Muse, as well as Pink Floyd. Jon also noted that the band initially wanted to create a concept album, but stated that "we sort of had to tone it back a bit, because we wanted to make a double album".

Soundgenerator.com's reviewer Eleanor Goodman described Dreams as "clear rather than grungy, soulful rather than angsty". Greg Prato of AllMusic rated it at two-and-a-half out-of-five stars, felt it was too derivative and explained, "[the trio are] yet to find their own sound and approach, as evidenced by many tracks that sound like" Muse's Absolution (September 2003) or Radiohead's The Bends (March 1995).

At the ARIA Music Awards of 2005, held in October, Evermore received five nominations and performed at the ceremony. Into the Ocean (The Story So Far 1997–2005) was the trio's video album, which was issued on DVD in the following month. The title track is a 45-minute documentary on the history of the group, followed by a 70-minute live performance recorded at The Metro Theatre, Sydney and a selection of their music videos. The band released The Lakeside Sessions Vol. 1, an iTunes-exclusive live acoustic EP on 20 December 2005.

Real Life (2006–2008)
Evermore's second album, Real Life, was released on 8 July 2006 by Warner. It peaked at No. 5 on the ARIA albums chart and No. 2 on the RIANZ albums chart, spending over half a year in both. It was certified 2× platinum for shipment of 140,000 copies in Australia in July 2007. Four singles were issued from the album; "Running" (June 2006), "Light Surrounding You" (October), "Unbreakable" (March 2007), and "Never Let You Go". Of these, "Light Surrounding You" charted highest and is Evermore's only number-one single.

Real Life was initially recorded on the Central Coast, New South Wales, where the band spent three months. Production moved to Easton, Maryland for an additional three months, and continued recording with producer Alagía. Following recording and production, it was mixed by Tom Lord-Alge (blink-182).

Despite its favourable charting the album was negatively received by music critics. Michael Dwyer of The Age was unimpressed with Real Life, "a roller-coaster of intense gestures and hollow sentiments spiralling on an updraft of crashing cymbals and synthetic harmonies" which provides "sheer, overwrought drama... [that] aims for U2 but ends up Big Country." Sputnikmusic's DaveyBoy rated it at 2.0 and declared, "Three hit singles and pretty much nothing else on this lazy, uninspired & disappointing follow-up." Bernard Zuel of The Sydney Morning Herald found it lacked ambition and "you suspect this is exactly what it was meant to sound like". He complained about its lack of excitement compared with Dreams, by displaying "a palpable contrivance that instead of bringing craft to their undoubted talent brings a stifling limitation." The album's release was followed by a tour of New Zealand and Australia in September and October 2005 with support acts Bob Evans and the Vagrant City Scandal.

The trio opened for a reformed Split Enz on their tour of Australian state capitals in June 2006 starting at Brisbane Entertainment Centre (BEC) and included Rod Laver Arena, Melbourne and ended at Burswood Dome, Perth. Jack Langridge and Brett Collingwood of Rave Magazine caught their performance at BEC, "[their] affinity with Coldplay's stadium-friendly, atmospheric rock is instantly recognisable in this cavernous setting..." and found Dann's drumming to be a "major highlight". On 17 November 2006 Evermore performed at a charity concert: the Make Poverty History Concert, in Melbourne, covering Ben E. King's "Stand by Me". Early in 2007, the band played at the Big Day Out, as well as at the 21st Australian Scout Jamboree and on 29 April they appeared at the 2007 MTV Australia Video Music Awards to perform "Light Surrounding You". In mid-2007 the group relocated from Sydney to Melbourne.

Truth of the World: Welcome to the Show (2008–2009)
The band's third studio album, Truth of the World: Welcome to the Show, was released on 20 March 2009, and debuted at No. 14 in Australia and No. 5 in New Zealand. Its lead single, "Between the Lines", was issued as a free download from the band's website on 10 November 2008. The second single, "Hey Boys and Girls (Truth of the World pt.2)", appeared on 3 February 2009, which peaked at No. 5 on the New Zealand charts and No. 4 on the Australian charts. Their single "Can You Hear Me?" was released to radio on 11 May, but did not reach the top 100 in New Zealand or Australia.

Truth of the World is a concept album about trash media, political propaganda, advertising and infotainment. It was recorded at the band's own Dragonfly Studio, Melbourne over a period of 18 months from July 2007 to January 2009. The studio had been built via the proceeds of their previous work. Otago Daily Times' Shane Gilchrist observed, they "mixed classic rock histrionics (perhaps minus the guitar solos) with the pulsating textures of modern electronica." Matt Gallant of theDwarf.com.au was unimpressed with the work, "[it] attempts to tell a dark and sinister story, rather than deliver a collection of engaging tracks... [they] attempt more than they can achieve".

In July and August 2009 Evermore supported Pink during the Funhouse Tour on the second half of the Australian leg. After the group's Australian tours in support of Truth of the World: Welcome to the Show and supporting Pink, the singer invited them as main support act for her subsequent European tour, from October to December. The band released their self-titled compilation album in October 2009 in Australia and New Zealand, which provided the single "Underground" (October).

Follow the Sun (2010–2014)
Upon return to Australia in early 2010, Evermore took time off from touring, to start writing and recording their next studio album. Jon Hume built a new recording studio, The Stables Recording Studio, in 2011 in Macedon Ranges, Victoria. Early that year they took a portable recording studio on a round-the-world song writing trip.

On 12 October 2012 they issued their fourth studio album Follow the Sun, which reached No. 22 in New Zealand and No. 40 in Australia. Its lead single and title track "Follow the Sun", was used by HBO United States in promotion for the station's 2013 season and also appeared in the worldwide trailer for DreamWorks Animation's The Croods. Two Australia headline tours followed in 2012 and 2013, as well as support for Maroon 5's Australian leg of their worldwide Overexposed Tour and Matchbox Twenty's Australian North Tour with INXS.

In 2012 Dann stopped touring with Evermore to pursue his own singing and production career. He supported the Lisa Mitchell tour in 2012 as Danco. Meanwhile Evermore, without Dann, toured Australia from April to June 2013 to promote the album and its second single, "Hero" (January 2013). The group's last single, "One Love", appeared in August 2013 as a charity single supporting that year's Global Citizen Festival. In October 2014 Evermore performed as a duo of Jon and Peter Hume at the Precinct Hotel, Melbourne.

Afterwards
Outside of their Evermore work each of the Hume brothers has pursued their own careers. While still a member of Evermore, Dann started working as a producer on Lisa Mitchell's first two EPs Said One to the Other (August 2007) and Welcome to the Afternoon (May 2008); he then re-recorded material for her debut studio album, Wonder (July 2009). Mitchell declared that working with Dann provided "versions [that] had more energy and were a lot lighter – they were positive and uplifting". He also produced her second album, Bless This Mess (October 2012), working at The Stables Recording Studio instead of touring with Evermore.

Dann is also credited on Matt Corby's debut album, Telluric (producer, engineer, co-writer, March 2016), Troye Sivan's debut album, Blue Neighbourhood (December 2015) and Kita Alexander's single "Hotel" (September 2017). He co-produced and co-engineered (with M-Phazes) the lead single, "I Said Hi" (April 2018) from Amy Shark's debut album, Love Monster (July). At that year's ARIA Awards they were both nominated for Producer of the Year (which they won) and Engineer of the Year. In the following year he won Producer of the Year again for his work on Corby's second studio album, Rainbow Valley (November 2018).

Jon worked on E^ST's third EP, Get Money! (July 2016) as producer, mixer and composer. He followed with Bliss n Eso's sixth studio album, Off the Grid (producer, April 2017), Starley's single "Arms Around Me" (producer, recording engineer, 2020) and Sheppard's EP Highest of Highs (engineer, mixer, producer, 2021). In 2017 he sold The Stables Recording Studio to Jan Skubiszewski and Ilaria Walker, who renamed it Red Moon Studios. Jon co-wrote "Be Alright" (June 2018) with the singer Dean Lewis, which appeared on APRA billion streams list in 2019.

Besides being a mult-instrumentalist and singer Peter provides artwork, photography, graphic design, music video direction, cinematography and other promotional material. At the 2022 ARIA Music Awards Peter was nominated for Best Video as director for Luude's cover version of "Down Under" featuring original singer Colin Hay.

Members

 * Jon Hume – vocals, guitars, percussion, piano, ukulele, drums (1999–2014)
 * Peter Hume – bass guitar, keyboards, piano, vocals, mandolin, ukulele, guitar (1999–2014)
 * Dann Hume – drums, percussion, vocals, guitars, piano (1999–2012)
 * Richard Higham – bass guitar (2000–2001)

Discography

 * 2004: Dreams
 * 2006: Real Life
 * 2009: Truth of the World: Welcome to the Show
 * 2012: Follow the Sun

ARIA Music Awards
The ARIA Music Awards are a set of annual ceremonies presented by Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA), which recognise excellence, innovation, and achievement across all genres of the music of Australia. They commenced in 1987.

New Zealand Music Awards
The Aotearoa Music Awards have been presented since 1965 under various names including New Zealand Music Awards.

Won

 * 2005 MTV Australia Awards, Supernova Breakthrough Act for Dreams
 * 2005 APRA Silver Scroll Award for "It's Too Late"
 * 2007 Channel V Oz Artist of the Year

Nominated

 * 2005 Jack Awards, Best Live Newcomer
 * 2006 APRA Silver Scroll Award for "Running"
 * 2010 APRA Awards, Most Played Australian Work and Rock Work of the Year for "Hey Boys and Girls (Truth of the World pt.2)"
 * 2013 APRA Rock Work of the Year for "Follow the Sun" by Dann, Peter and Jon Hume.

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Andrea Cesalpino

Andrea Cesalpino (Latinized as Andreas Cæsalpinus) (1524/1525 – 23 February 1603) was a Florentine physician, philosopher and botanist.

In his works he classified plants according to their fruits and seeds, rather than alphabetically or by medicinal properties. In 1555, he succeeded Luca Ghini as director of the botanical garden in Pisa. The botanist Pietro Castelli was one of his students. Cesalpino also did limited work in the field of plant and animal physiology. In medicine, he envisioned a "chemical circulation" consisting of repeated evaporation and condensation of blood, and for this reason historians have conceived him as a forerunner of William Harvey (1578–1657), who theorized the "physical circulation" of blood in 1628.

Biography
Cesalpino was born in Arezzo, Tuscany. As it is reported by Giuseppe Lais and Ugo Viviani with a series of important documents, and recently confirmed in a scholarly volume devoted to Cesalpino, he was likely born in the Autumn of 1524 in the outskirt of Arezzo.

For his studies at the University of Pisa his instructor in medicine was R. Colombo (d. 1559), and in botany the celebrated Luca Ghini. After completing his course he taught philosophy, medicine, and botany for many years at the same university, besides making botanical explorations in various parts of Italy. At this time the first botanical gardens in Europe were laid out; the earliest at Padua, in 1546; the next at Pisa in 1547 by Ghini, who was its first director. Ghini was succeeded by Cesalpino, who had charge of the Pisan garden 1554–1558. When far advanced in years Cesalpino accepted a call to Rome as professor of medicine at University of Rome La Sapienza and physician to Pope Clement VIII. It is not positively certain whether he also became the chief superintendent of the Roman botanical garden which had been laid out about 1566 by one of his most celebrated pupils, Michele Mercati. For the 1600 Jubilee, Cesalpino wrote a text on the history of the Church, entitled Historiae ecclesiasticae compendum usque ad Annum Jubilei MDC, kept as a manuscript at the Biblioteca Apostolica Vaticana in Rome (Vat. Lat. 35600), evidence of his orthodoxy.

Philosophical works
All of Cesalpino's writings show the man of genius and the profound thinker. His style, it is true, is often heavy, yet in spite of the scholastic form in which his works are cast, passages of great beauty often occur. Modern botanists and physiologists who are not acquainted with the writings of Aristotle find Cesalpino's books obscure; their failure to comprehend them has frequently misled them in their judgment of his achievement.

No comprehensive summing up of the results of Cesalpino's investigations, founded on a critical study of all his works has appeared, neither has there been a complete edition of his writings. Seven of these are positively known, and most of the seven have been printed several times, although none have appeared since the 17th century. In the following list the date of publication given is that of the first edition.

His most important philosophical work is Quaestionum peripateticarum libri V (1571). Cesalpino proves himself in this to be one of the most eminent and original students of Aristotle in the 16th century. His writings, however, show traces of the influence of Averroes, hence he is an Averroistic Aristotelian; apparently he was also inclined to pantheism, consequently he was included, later, in the Spinozists before Spinoza. A Protestant opponent of Aristotelian views, Nicolaus Taurellus wrote several times against Cesalpino. The work of Taurellus entitled Alpes cæsae, etc. (1597), is entirely devoted to combating the opinions of Cesalpino, as the play on the name Cæsalpinus shows. Nearly one hundred years later Cesalpino's views were again attacked by Samuel Parker, in a work entitled Disputationes de Deo et providentia divina (1678).

Cesalpino repeatedly asserted the steadfastness of his Catholic principles and his readiness to acknowledge the falsity of any philosophical opinions expounded by him as Aristotelian doctrine, which should be contrary to revelation.

Medical and physiological works
Cesalpino's physiological investigations concerning the circulation of the blood are well known, but even up to the present time they have been as often overestimated as undervalued. An examination of the various passages in his writings which bear upon the question shows that although it must be said that Cesalpino had penetrated further into the secret of circulation of the blood than any other physiologist before William Harvey, still he had not attained a thorough knowledge, founded on anatomical research, of the entire course of the blood. Besides the work Quæstionum peripateticarum already mentioned, reference should be made to Quaestionum medicarum libri duo (1593).

Botanical works
His most important publication was De plantis libri XVI (1583). The work is dedicated to the Grand Duke Francesco I de' Medici. Unlike the "herbals" of that period, it contains no illustrations. The first section, including thirty pages of the work, is the part of most importance for botany in general. From the beginning of the 17th century up to the present day botanists have agreed in the opinion that Cesalpino in this work, in which he took Aristotle for his guide, laid the foundation of the morphology and physiology of plants and produced the first scientific classification of flowering plants. Three things, above all, give the book the stamp of individuality: the large number of original, acute observations, especially on flowers, fruits, and seeds, made, moreover, before the invention of the microscope, the selection of the organs of fructification for the foundation of his botanical system; finally, the ingenious and at the same time strictly philosophical handling of the rich material gathered by observation. Cesalpino's selection of seeds and seed-receptacles as the primary criteria for plant classification heavily influenced the classificatory work of John Ray, a major seventeenth-century British naturalist. After his death, an incomplete supplementary to this work, entitled Appendix ad libros de plantis et quaestiones peripateticas (1603), was published.

Cesalpino is also famous in the history of botany as one of the first botanists to make an herbarium; one of the oldest herbaria still in existence is that which he arranged in 1563 for Bishop Alfonso Tornabuoni. After many changes of fortune the herbarium is now in the Museo di Storia Naturale di Firenze at Florence. It consists of 260 folio pages arranged in three volumes bound in red leather, and contains 768 species of plants. A work of some value for chemistry, mineralogy, and geology was issued by him under the title De metallicis libri tres (Rome, 1596). This mostly relies on the Vatican Methalloteca, and it was prepared by Mercati, who was unable to complete it due to his early death. Some of its matter recalls the discoveries made at the end of the eighteenth century, as those of Antoine Lavoisier and René Just Haüy, it also shows a correct understanding of fossils.

The Franciscan friar Charles Plumier gave the name of Cæsalpinia to a plant genus and Linnaeus retained it in his system. At the present day this genus includes approximately 10 species and belongs family Fabaceae, subfamily Cæsalpinioideae, which contains a large number of useful plants. Linnaeus in his writings often quotes his great predecessor in the science of botany and praises Cesalpino in the following lines:

Quisquis hic exstiterit primos concedat honores Cæsalpine tibi primaque certa dabit.

Geology
As mentioned above, De metallicis libri tres (Rome, 1596) was of value for mineralogy and geology, displaying a correct understanding of fossils. Charles Lyell's Principles of Geology states that in 1596,

Cesalpino, a celebrated botanist, conceived that fossil shells had been left on the land by the sea, and had concreted into stone during the consolidation of the soil."

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Motono Ichirō

Viscount Motono Ichirō (本野 一郎) was a statesman and diplomat, active in Meiji period Japan.

Biography
Motono was born in Saga, Hizen Province, (modern-day Saga Prefecture). His father, an entrepreneur, was one of the founders of the modern Yomiuri Shimbun. Motono studied law in France, and in 1896 translated the civil code of the Japanese Empire into French. He served as Minister Plenipotentiary to the Kingdom of Belgium in 1898–1901, and in that capacity represented the Empire of Japan at the 1899 Hague Peace Conference. In 1905 he served as a judge at the Permanent Court of Arbitration, and formed a dissential opinion in the case of the Japanese Tax House. He served as the Japanese Ambassador to the Empire of Russia from 1906 to 1916.

On June 14, 1907, he was granted the title of baron (danshaku) under the kazoku peerage system for his services, and was also awarded the Order of the Rising Sun, 1st class. His title was elevated to that of viscount (shishaku) on July 14, 1916. Under the cabinet of Terauchi Masatake, he served as foreign minister of Japan between October 9, 1916 and his resignation on April 23, 1918. He was noted for his harsh stance against the Russian Revolution and his support of the Siberian Intervention. He died on September 17, 1918, and was awarded the Order of the Chrysanthemum.

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Talk:Digitiser

Status - August 2019
I've just converted all references to proper cite, and tallied up the Reliable Sources for this page that stand at 3 right now: EDGE, Retro Gamer and the Broadcasting Standards Commission. I'd be happy to add more sources if they could be passed on to me. —Flicky1984 (talk) 19:54, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

IT IS BACK!
Someone should to the page that the original creators have remade it! http://www.digitiser2000.com/

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12/08/2004 - Started Digitiser page. Hopefully myself and/or others will eventually be able to expand it into something far more substantial. To any seasoned Wikipedians who read this, I would like to point out that I am a novice at this, and therefore if I have made any idiot mistakes (highly likely), then I would like to apologise profusely and blame it on inexperience. I hope that this new entry will encourage others to add any Digitiser-related knowledge to it. RJ

Digitiser is gone? I could have sworn it was still there on Channel 4 last time I checked, on 370.

Kiand 19:20, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

 * Bah, never mind. C4 #375 is now "GameCentral"
 * Damn Teletext Limited, messing around with numbers, etc. Aertel would never do such a thing :-)

Kiand 01:04, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

'...while lost on dense Teletext staffers...'

'...both within Teletext by its aforementioned, petty-minded editorial minions...'

'It seemed as if the suits had finally won, and with Biffo's screenwriting career taking off at the time, he could've chosen to walk away from it all.'

This is all very fanboyish, and the whole article needs the Biffo bias taking out. (13/02/2006)

I am yet to see a print article without any bias towards Biffo. Russ 15:40, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

 * The thing is, some of the Teletext bosses of the time ultimately conceded that their protests against Biffo and Hairs were futile, as the public Did "get it." Do you see? What I'm saying is that a measure of bias, if phrased properly, is appropriate. Nach0king 23:51, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * That said, there is a lot of language in this that needs to be taken out... Nach0king 09:41, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Wow, nice article!
This article has grown be so much since I last took a look at it. Well done to the editors, Digitiser really does own your face. It'd be very cool if we could get some images in here of some of the characters and/or a reversible sedgewick. MOC-MOC-A-MOC!! Ou est le chef? Le pompt du dompt? - Hahnch e  n 20:57, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Super Page 58 seems to have quite a few Kirun (talk) 21:55, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Revealing Turner the Worm
''The most controversial "Reveal-O" (as they were often called - see "Digi-Speak") appeared right at the end of Digitiser's life, on the final page of the final letters section. It purported to be a picture of "the real Turner The Worm (a cartoon character from Teletext also created by Rose) being sick". Pressing the reveal button then uncovered an image that many have likened to a recently-ejaculated penis.''

Umm, I can't see that under the letters section either here or here. Remove that paragraph? -- Nick RTalk 21:59, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * As unusual as it seems, it did actually exist. It was officially meant to be Turner The Worm, although it didn't look much like the actual Turner, and rather looked more like that mentioned above. It only really makes sense once it is mentioned like that, otherwise it looks innocent, however (hence how it got past the censors). The actual images that were used for Digitiser can be found here, with "Turner The Worm" being further down the page. Failing that, Biffo himself has mentioned it numerous times, and you can either ask him on his forum, or I'm sure there is a link to email him on his blog, and you can always ask him there. Of course, I personally feel that particular sentence could perhaps be worded a little better, especially that last sentence. --Dreaded Walrus 22:36, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

 * In one of Tim Moore's (Mr Hairs') books he recalls having a desire to replace a teletext screen with a graphic of an ejaculating penis, which I always took (fnarr) as a reference to Turner's dark demise. Nach0king 20:25, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Biffo for president.
lets someone remove all the ridiculous and redundant links like THE A TEAM, and post some pictures and links to relevant topics and some source references on this page?

How about a screen shot of digitiser on a television, and a remote control showing the reveal button, and a sample of some of the famous digitiser characters?

More history about Digi too please, including the infamous premium rate cheat code telephone lines that Teletext made loads of money from, despite constantly moving the page numbers and format around to try and make people forget where and what it was...

Which part of this article needs sources, or reference citations? I get the feeling people just like sticking "This article does not cite any references or sources." on everything. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.88.199.180 (talk • contribs).

 * Ideally, ALL articles would be well-referenced. Just look at any of our featured articles to see the standard. The reason why we have that tag there is because Wikipedia articles should not be original research. That is, just like all other respectable encyclopedias, we only write what is already known. And if something is already known, then why shouldn't we reference things? --Dreaded Walrus t c 09:59, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes: Do you see? Nach0king 20:24, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Why didn't I think of that one? :) --Dreaded Walrus t c 20:25, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

goat skull in motherboard
can anyone remember anything about the incident where (phoning honey?) had someone with a goat skull in their computer? Bradley10 (talk) 14:49, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Pictures
Anyone have any pictures they could add? Especially of the last ever issue.  Tu rk ey ph an t 19:08, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

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Nomination of Siberian Express for deletion
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The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Siberian Express until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Carlos Pinto (journalist)

Carlos Pinto (born May 12, 1959) is a popular Chilean journalist, writer and television presenter. In 1984, he and Santiago Pavlovic began an investigative program called Informe Especial which airs in TVN. He is the father of the football player Sebastián Pinto. It was the driver of the reality The game of fear of TVN, which was taken off the air shortly after due to poor ratings.

In the mid-1990s Carlos Pinto's new program, Mea Culpa, became the most popular true crime shows on Chilean TV history. The show catapulted Pinto's career and today his other shows also have had great success:

 * Mea Culpa, true crime movie-like interactments, featuring cases that had its share of spotlight back in the day;
 * El Día Menos Pensado ("The Least Expected Day"), it focuses on true paranormal experiences;
 * El Cuento del Tío ("Uncle's Tale"), a show that deals with financial deception stories.

Books: "El Silencio de los Malditos" (2018) and "El Jardín de los Inocentes".

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Carlos Mota Pinto

Carlos Alberto da Mota Pinto, GCC, GCIP , (Pombal, 25 July 1936 – Coimbra, 7 May 1985) was a Portuguese professor and politician.

Career
He graduated as a licentiate in law and doctorate in judicial sciences from the Faculty of Law of the University of Coimbra. He was also a professor at the Portuguese Catholic University and several foreign universities. Still today, his doctrine is very influential in the Portuguese legal community, mainly in what comes to civil law.

After the Carnation Revolution, on 25 April 1974, he helped in the foundation, jointly with Francisco Sá Carneiro, Francisco Pinto Balsemão, Joaquim Magalhães Mota, João Bosco Mota Amaral, Alberto João Jardim, António Barbosa de Melo and António Marques Mendes, of the Popular Democratic Party (PPD, today PSD). He was elected Deputy to the Constituent Assembly and to the Assembly of the Republic (the name of the Assembly has its origins in a Mota Pinto's proposal) for PPD. Having distanced himself from Sá Carneiro, they would reconcile (at the time of Sá Carneiro's death they both supported the same presidential candidate, Soares Carneiro). He would again return to the party to serve as vice-president in 1983 and President in 1984 and 1985.

He was also Minister for Commerce and Tourism in the 1st Constitutional Government (1976–1977), Prime Minister of the 4th Constitutional Government between 1978 and 1979 when he was appointed by then President António Ramalho Eanes, Vice-Prime Minister and Minister for Defense of the 9th Constitutional Government (the Central-Bloc Government) from 1983 to 1985.

He died suddenly in 1985, in Coimbra, days before the Congress that gave the Presidency of the party to Aníbal Cavaco Silva.

Decorations
He was awarded with the Grand Crosses of the Order of Christ and the Order of Public Instruction.

Family
He married Maria Fernanda Cardoso Correia and had three sons:
 * Paulo Cardoso Correia da Mota Pinto (born Coimbra, 18 November 1966), a licentiate, doctorate, professor and renowned publicist of the Faculty of Law of the University of Coimbra;
 * Nuno Cardoso Correia da Mota Pinto (born Coimbra, 18 September 1970), is the alternate executive director at the World Bank in Washington, D.C., married to Ianara Pedrosa;
 * Alexandre Cardoso Correia da Mota Pinto (born 1971), a Doctor in Law from the Faculty of Law of the European University Institute of Florence and a Lawyer at Uría Menendez-Proença de Carvalho, married to Joana Ferraz.

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Luca Ghini

Luca Ghini (Casalfiumanese, 1490 – Bologna, 4 May 1556) was an Italian physician and botanist, notable as the creator of the first recorded herbarium, as well as the first botanical garden in Europe.

Biography
Ghini was born in Casalfiumanese, son of a notary, and studied medicine at the University of Bologna. By 1527 he was lecturing there on medicinal plants, and eventually became a professor.

He moved to Pisa in 1544, while maintaining his home in Bologna. He created the first herbarium (hortus siccus) in that year, drying plants while pressing them between pieces of paper, then gluing them to cardboard. None of his herbaria survive although the one by his student Gherardo Cibo made around 1532 survives. 1544 also saw the establishment of a garden for live plants, which became known as the Orto botanico di Pisa.

Ghini published no significant botanical work of his own, but was noted as a teacher many of whose students went on to significant careers, including Cesalpino (his successor as the director of the botanical garden) and Pietro Andrea Mattioli, the latter of which he helped by travelling around the Mediterranean and Near East in search for plants that matched the mystifying descriptions of Dioscorides. A Placiti revealing Ghini's methods was published posthumously.

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Malcolm Muir (publisher)

Malcolm Muir (1885 – January 30, 1979) was a U.S. magazine industrialist.

Biography
Muir was born in New York City. He served as president of McGraw-Hill Publishing from 1928 to 1937. During his tenure as president, he helped create BusinessWeek magazine in 1929, the same year that McGraw-Hill stock was publicly traded for the first time.

The first issue of The Business Week, the original title of BusinessWeek, was published on September 7, 1929, a mere seven weeks before the stock market crash that signalled the beginning of the Great Depression. Muir is quoted as saying: "The Business Week will never be content to be a mere chronicle of events. It aims always to interpret their significance ... The Business Week always has a point of view, and usually a strong opinion, both of which it does not hesitate to express. And all the way through, we hope you will discover it is possible to write sanely and intelligently of business without being pompous or ponderous."

Muir served as the editor-in-chief and president of Newsweek magazine between 1937 and 1959. He was responsible for changing the four-year-old News-Week magazine's name to Newsweek and introducing international editions. He was named honorary chairman of the board when the Washington Post Company bought the magazine in 1961.

Muir died in 1979 in Manhattan from stomach disease, pneumonia and old age.

Sarah Lucille Turner, who had been one of the first women elected to the Missouri House of Representatives, became Muir's secretary while he was president of McGraw-Hill. After a hiatus she returned to work for him at Newsweek, eventually becoming the magazine's personnel director.

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Tim Wohlforth

Timothy Andrew Wohlforth (May 15, 1933 – August 23, 2019), was a United States Trotskyist leader. On leaving the Trotskyist movement he became a writer of crime fiction and of politically oriented non-fiction.

As a student, Wohlforth joined the youth section of Max Shachtman's Independent Socialist League (ISL), the Socialist Youth League in 1953. He broke with Shachtman in 1957 when the ISL moved rightward to merge with the Socialist Party of America. Later that year, Wohlforth and a minority of ISL members joined the Socialist Workers Party (SWP), which was the main Trotskyist group in the US at the time.

In the early 1960s when the SWP and its supporters internationally in the International Committee of the Fourth International fused with the International Secretariat of the Fourth International and developed a critical but generally supportive attitude towards the Cuban Revolution, a minority of members led by Wohlforth and James Robertson (another former ISL member) formed the Revolutionary Tendency within the SWP. While Robertson left the SWP in 1962 and went on to form the Spartacist Group, later Spartacist League, Wohlforth and his supporters remained within the SWP and fought for the perspective of the International Committee of the Fourth International (ICFI). They were expelled in 1964 after demanding a discussion of the significance of the Sri Lankan Lanka Sama Samaja Party's entry into the government of Mrs. Sirimavo Bandaranaike. The US supporters of the ICFI formed the American Committee of the Fourth International, and in 1966 they formed the Workers League.

In 1974, the ICFI discovered that Wohforth's partner, Nancy Fields, an active member of the Workers League, was raised by a relative who had worked for the Central Intelligence Agency's computer division and had ties to top-ranking agency officials. The Workers League Political Committee and ICFI criticized the fact that neither Fields nor Wohlforth had revealed this to the League. In August 1974, the League's central committee suspended Fields from membership and removed Wohlforth as national secretary pending a commission of inquiry, in a unanimous vote that included Wohlforth's. Both left the League, and Wohlforth rejoined the SWP. An investigation conducted by the Workers League concluded that Fields did not have connections to the CIA, and the two were requested to resume their membership. However, they refused.

Wohlforth later claimed that the Workers League became a cult, largely due to the domination and manipulations of the principal ICFI leader at the time, Gerry Healy.

Wohlforth was a member of the Democratic Socialists of America. In 1994 he published his memoirs, The Prophet's Children. He subsequently co-authored On The Edge: Political Cults Right and Left (2000) with Dennis Tourish. His former wife Nancy Wohlforth, is Secretary-Treasurer of the Office and Professional Employees International Union (OPEIU) and on the Executive Committee of the AFL-CIO.

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