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Woodstock '99? No thanks
Woodstock '69 was about peace and love, this whole "woodstock" '99 was horrid and doesnt do its predecessor any justice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.225.186.189 (talk) 01:28, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Written (like much of the article) by someone who clearly wasn't there! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.14.111.111 (talk) 23:04, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Even without being there, it's clear that the whole event was just about money and the name "Woodstock" for marketing purposes. Greed and money was the main factor, not music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.253.186.62 (talk) 15:12, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Well I was there and some of the details are not accurate. EnlightenedIllusions (talk) 09:03, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Wrong facts about Red hot chili peppers show
About that Red hot chili pepper show, its NOT 45 minutes long, where did you get that information? please let me know, cause its wrong. they were on stage for about 75 minutes. please don't post anything in the article unless you know its true. By the way, the part about problems during red hot chili pepper show might need a grammar-check. i´m not good at that part myself.

Wow, this article is unbelievably negative and no doubt written by someone who wasn't there. No mention of the bands or anything facts, just a lot of terrible things. I'll have to fix this one up. --Patik 16:16, Aug 15, 2004 (UTC)
 * That's kinda the idea, isn't it :P --212.99.193.74 23:06, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Woohoo! Two years and counting, boy this is going to be a great article Patik. Looking forward to it! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.219.227.6 (talk) 01:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC).

The Chili Pepper performance was indeed and long one, though the firs actually interrupted it- they did not start after it. The Chili Peppers left the stage in protest against the starting of the fires, which I thought was a very appropriate reaction. The crowd got the hint and calmed down a bit, so the band returned for a few more songs, but it didn't last. The fires started again and then the audio tower fell. I was in the crowd and can say it was indeed a very dire situation.

And I very much agree with the assessment that this article is far too negative. While there were problems and things were over priced, it was not as bad as this article would have you believe. 205.157.136.2 18:50, 17 August 2007 (UTC)August 17, 2007

500 policemen for 200.000 visitors above average?
"About 500 New York state policemen were hired for security. The promoters may have anticipated some degree of rioting and chaos, or may have simply taken precautionary measures necessary for any large gathering of people."

This sounds as if one policeman for 400 people at a concert would be a lot of security. I don't really have experience, but it rather seems a little few to me... --212.99.193.74 23:05, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

 * It is in the right range compared to large sporting events such as football or baseball games, which hire perhaps one security person per 500 attendees. On the other hand indoors nightclubs typically use one per 100-150 patrons.  And if 500 police arrested only seven people, as the article states, that doesn't quite sound like the situation rises to the level of a riot, does it?  --Blainster 11:17, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

No water...WRONG
I don't know how to object against content, but there is one specific fact which I feel is incorrect:

The article states that water was not allowed to be carried in. This is incorrect. I attended Woodstock '99 and remember bringing in a case (24-pack) of 12oz bottled water. I remember this because I emptied-out a few bottles and re-filled them with clear liquor (vodka), and then resealed the case [in a successful attempt to "sneak in" my own alcohol]. There was no objection by any of the security to the case of "water".

I agree with the other posts in the discussion which state that this article is written in a negative light. I attended all 3 days of the event and couldn't believe the media's representation of the closing day. They (MTV and other media) made the venue sound like a war zone, with EVERYONE participating in the havoc. This is untrue. There were some isolated incidents of vandalism, and that's all. With hundreds of thousands of people, you're bound to have a few drunken/drugged jerks. . —The preceding comment was added by 69.44.242.244 (talk • contribs) 05:22, 28 April 2006.

Supplies allowed
Glass was not allowed. I recall bringing in water, food, even alcohol (not concealed but cheap vodka sold in a plastic bottle at the closet liquor store to the venue).

Refilled water bottles in fountains. The shower situation could have been better but we were camping.

I did witness things like the ATM being vandalized, I believe it ran out of money on day 2. I saw mud people around the water fountains but I kindly asked that she not touch me and she didn't. (Although she did try to persuade me).

The experience of the people there is different from the media protrayal (as with anything).

Point of view and other problems
This article is a mess. I attended the show and the negative tone of the article does not reflect the reality of the first two days OR the fires/looting on the third day. At the very least the fires and looting should be its own section and not the primary focus of the entire article. Several statements are entirely inaccurate as well (two brief examples: Food and drink were allowed to be brought in; tap water was readily available and was not "guarded by mud people" any of the times I wanted access to it.) I'm putting a couple tags on the article and may stop back to fix it up later as time permits. -- Moondigger 22:52, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the problem here is that Woodstock 99 is known to most people who weren't there as 'the one with the riots' because whenever it's mentioned in media these days, it's in reference to the trouble that happened. The Kinslayer 12:20, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The event is notable mainly as a disaster. If you had fun at the concert then that's swell, but your personal experiences aren't what makes it encyclopedic. Is it "unfair" that the article on the Hindenburg spends so more time talking about it burning that about it's uneventful and non-noteworthy flights before that? Bobbyi 18:48, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I have been telling people for years that the medias version of the festival was incredibly blown out of proportion, take a look at the posts from those of us who were actually there, 90% say that other than the ridiculos prices the vendors were charging the weekend was great. It was the most calm serene three days you could imagine, you would sneeze and hear "god bless you" from 3 tents over. On a side note the only thing that wasnt outragiously priced was alcohol, I believe it was around $5 for a beer or hard lemonade, about what you would expect at a concert or sporting event. As far as the "criminal behavior" the numbers people use to "prove" the "mayhem" are almost laughable. How many arrests are there on any given weekend in a city of 200,000 people? I dont have any numbers but my guess is ALOT more than 7, and Im geussing there are more than 4 rapes in a city that size. It really is a shame that people who werent there think they know ANYTHING about it. Kurt Loder was scared oh no, 199,000 of us had a great time we will never forget. I will say that during the afternoon on sunday as they were passing out the candles I did turn to my brother and say "wow, thats not a very good idea" but even the fires were calm, people who werent there dont understand this was an AIRFIELD it was like 90% ashphalt, there was nowhere for a fire to spread, it was just a bunch of people standing around bonfires dancing, they were big ass bonfires but people make it sound like it was a war zone but it was nothing really. At no point did I or anyone in my group EVER feel afraid or anything of the sort, there were some mosh pits but if you didnt want in you backed up 10 feet and no one bothered you, as far as the mud people the only thing I saw was funny. They tried to pull down the fences at the beer tents at one point and when the people in the tent were told they would have to stop selling beer if the fence came down they ran over to try to keep them up, it was pretty comical watching the drunks and the mud people in a tug of war over the fences. As I said eferything was so blown out of proportion that I had no idea what was being reported and first heard of the "rioting" being reported on my way home, I heard a DJ on the radio say to call home if you were at Woodstock to let your parents know you were ok? I called from the next service area when we stopped for gas and my mother was frantic wanting to know if we were all ok, it was ridiculos, the media created the issue and its sads to see it has carried over to hear, if you werent there stop acting like you know anything, you dont unless someone who was there told you and if thats the case I expect 99% of it to be positive.(Willy1273 (talk) 06:19, 4 July 2010 (UTC))

This article has some problems
Like everyone else has commented I really think this article was written by someone who might have only watched it on Pay Per View and bought the CD.

One thing I would like to repeat just like everyone else said......you WERE allowed to bring into Woodstock basically anything you wanted..just NO GLASS or like weapons and stuff like that. I remember the NO GLASS being a big thing. Me and my friends brought several 30 packs of beer, several of those cheap crappy plastic bottles of vodka along with big jugs of juice to mix it with and several gallons of water...and also a lot of non-perishable snacks and food. And this was all ok...they seemed to be much more concerned with glass jars of salsa that the people in front of us had then all our alcohol. Also there seemed to be ways to get illegal stuff in there anyway...there were people walking around with freezer bags of schrooms, E-pills and weed selling it out in the open like they were selling popcorn at a baseball game. Also, on the way out after the show ended we saw several full size 6 ft nitrous tanks all over the festival site...one of the biggest mysteries of my life to this day...HOW DID THEY SNEAK THOSE IN THERE!! And I'm not mistaken...they weren't something else...they were nitrous tanks.

Second, I think the overall impression that the whole weekend was some sort of crime-ridden free for all is way off...this coming from someone that was ACTUALLY THERE. More or less the whole weekend was fairly orderly and the stuff that happened at the end of the show was the only shenanigans that went on. I roamed all over the festival all weekend and I don't even think I saw a single fight or negative incident while I was there. I even saw some dudes yell at someone for trying to grope a naked girl in the crowd. The fires at the end were definitely started by the peace candles that were handed out. I don't even remember them being handed out by like a booth or anything...there seemed to be people from whatever organization that was handing them out in the crowd as well. Also the fuel for the bonfires mostly came from the wood used to construct the food vendor booths. See, when they got to the end of the show all the food vendors packed up and left all the booths deserted. People then ripped them apart and used the wood for bonfires...possibly in frustration for the outrageous vendor prices for everything from food to shirts.

Thirdly, The author may be correct but I've always wondered how Woodstock 99 could NOT have been profitable!!! These are more or less some of the ballpark prices I remember.... Tickets for the 3 days $150.00 Burrito $10.00 Rotisserie Chicken $20.00 Pizza $10.00 Drinks $8.00 Bag of Ice (while it lasted) $20.00 or more Shirts $30.00+ The food prices were the worst...they made you want to smash someones face.

Finally, someone also mentioned the water and toliet situation which I thought was not terrible but fairly inadequate. They seemed to have a reasonable amount of porta-johns however it didn't seem like anyone was servicing them over the 3 days...therefore by like the end of day 2 almost all of them were out of toliet paper and/or overflowing with feces. The drinking water set-up was great however since it didn't rain that weekend and some people wanted to do the whole mud fight thing again alot of the the hoses supplying the potable water stations were cut to flood the fields for mudfights....which made potable water much harder to find by the end of the show. — The preceding comment was added by Metall2462 (talk • contribs) 2:30, 28 September 2006.

 * A couple of the prices you quote are a bit off. All drinks were $4, and all came in 20 oz plastic bottles - Coke, water, lemonade, didn't matter.  $4. That I remember clearly.  On a hot day out in the sun that got pretty damned expensive, but there was always the tap water, which was free.  Buy one bottle of whatever then keep refilling it from the tap.  Pizza was $12, which may not seem like much but it was sized for one person.  I'm not sure about the other foods you mentioned. —The preceding comment was added by Moondigger (talk • contribs) 22:06, 28 September 2006.

 * I disagree. I'm remember that while 20-oz. bottles of water were $4, 20-oz bottles of soda were $8 (and I don't think there were Coke products, just Pepsi ones--I wouldn't have chosen a Sierra Mist if I could have had a Sprite.)--Skywarp    —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.115.125.36 (talk) 15:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

 * You can disagree but your recollection is incorrect about the prices. All 20 oz drinks were $4. I attended the show and one of my coworkers worked as a vendor there. Prices were set by the promotors and all vendors had to comply with their pricing structure. -- Moondigger (talk)

 * I too attended and ALL bottled drinks WERE $4. I bought both soda and water and the price was the same for both! I also bought a pizza for $12 and i felt it was big enough for me and my two friends, although I probably could've eaten the whole thing alone. At a festival of this magnitude, attendees should have expected high prices for these things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jwright13 (talk • contribs) 15:18, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

This article needs a major cleanup. It's taking minor details and making them out to be huge.

'Police later reported that at least four rapes had occurred during the concert. Seven arrests were made on the final night of the concert and, afterward, police reviewed video footage, hoping to identify and hold accountable looters who, amid the chaos, had not been arrested. Some one-dozen trailers, a small bus and a number of booths and portable toilets were burned in the fray. Five people were injured.'

This is not unusual. Unfortunate, yes. But not unusual. The last night of most alternative music festivals nearly always devolve into riots and looting, with running battles with security guards. At the Download festival in Donnington this year, 30 people were arrested in connection with one incident alone.

My honest opinion is that the article should be blanked and started from scratch. The Kinslayer 12:24, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Like everyone else has commented I really think this article was written by someone who might have only watched it on Pay Per View and bought the CD. I was there and I find the article completely accurate and, yes, fair. I was only 16 at the time and didn't engage in any rioting, but for every person there who acted out violently, there were dozens more who were just as upset. 71.206.196.20 07:51, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

 * "I was a photojournalist on the site for all four horrific days. Please do a search for my article:  "Woodstock 99: What the Hell Happened?" for an in depth look at the event day by day.  Also from an insider's point of view as I was working it.  I have covered festivals around the world, and this was by far, the most disorganized, chaotic, disgusting event I have ever been at.  If anyone else that attended tells you otherwise, they must have been in a drug induced E haze, as that was the prevalent drug of the weekend, so of course it all seemed fine to them!  Never before have I seen concertgoers throwing feces at people.  Enough said. J Bloomrosen"

The article is very NPOV, it's true, but isn't it amusing how all the people who say they were there have different stories about what happened? The alleged attendees can't even agree on the drink prices. Seeing as how there is no consensus on the nature of the kerfuffle, maybe the media hype wasn't so overblown after all? In any event, there should be a seperate section for what happened on the last day. The article itself should focus on the details of the concert...and maybe the irony of having $10 burritos at an event created in homage to THE counterculture music event of the '60s. 62.49.23.145 09:59, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Wow, this is quite a special article - I'm going down the same path as Kinslayer on this one. A year or two ago, on the sunday night at Download Festival, I witnessed someone throwing a heap of burning wood onto a tent, then putting a camping stove gas canister into the fire that was on the tent. That wasn't so bad, but when three people got out the tent and ran for their lives I thought it was a bit much. When I woke up on the morning, everything had been reduced to ground level and the horizon was covered in black smoke - you get the picture. Here's the entire section on those riots from the Download wiki: "On the final night, fires were started by some festival goers and police were called, arresting twelve people.[10]. At around 4am, the fire brigade arrived to put out a large fire at the gold campsite. A number of people had taken the railings that had been used to separate the campsite area from the path and used them to barricade the road to prevent the fire engines from reaching the main fire. At this point a number of police assembled in riot gear, and proceeded to stop the troublemakers. The festival director, Stuart Galbraith, posted a message on the official website stating that "About 150 people spoiled the end of what had been a great weekend for over 75,000 of us." [11]" This article on Woodstock chronicles what is ultimately a very small precedent to a trend in festivals for a few years that may yet continue. Either way, it doesn't make sense to categorise Woodstock '99 as a disaster, on the contrary, it set the fashion for future festival carnage like I used to see at Leeds and Download every year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.152.218.214 (talk) 02:09, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

 * The security situation at Download is now much improved, and the 2006 riot was a one-off. In 2008 the security guards all had big numbers on them to make them accountable, and the only real "trouble" was a large amount of thefts (due to an organised gang that also hit several other festivals). There was the usual fires and objects being thrown about the camp site on the last night, but it wasn't violent or malicious 99% of the time. Near where i was sevral tents were smashed and one was set on fire, but only with the permission of the people that owned them (also the fire was the bloke's own tent, and he even made sure he dragged it into an open area before lighting it)82.153.230.147 (talk) 10:47, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Poor planning
I agree that the nice parts about the concert should be described. Sources? I've seen a couple. Some background info would be nice to have, too.

One of the keys to Woodstock '99 is poor planning. The organizers didn't know the first thing about planning and contingencies for that kind of event and they were very badly advised. The other key is greed. These men had no idea that a show like this always loses money. It is unrealistic to expect to make a profit, and anyone who told the organizers differently was lying. People talk about the irony of putting on a show that is supposed to salute the spirit of the 1960s and the whole movement of altruism and brotherhood, and then charge $12 for a hamburger. The organizers forgot that they themselves would have had to get into and live that spirit for the time being, and that meant not seeking a profit, let alone getting in bed with Pepsi, for God's sake.

It might also have meant a little discretion in terms of scheduling. A "testosterone-driven metalfest" (NYT) without a few quieter acts in between to cool things down is asking for trouble. It's common sense and has been since the 1950s when every theater owner knew the risks of putting on a rock and roll show or film. From what I've read, scheduling was so haywire at Woodstock 99 that the performers came in not knowing when they were supposed to play. Half of them hadn't even been issued credentials and weren't allowed in until that could be straightened out..

I worked at a community radio station at the time. Two of my co-workers attended and returned to report that indeed they were told they were not allowed to bring in their bottled water and sandwiches (for a three-day camping event in 100-degree heat). Now, we know they didn't have enough security people, so hired more on the spot. Here's my guess: In the confusion these men might have misunderstood the guidelines as to what attendees were and were not allowed to bring in. There was so little in the way of structure that the people in charge might not have been sure of the rules themselves and gave different instructions to the security guys. This could be why some people were told no water even in plastic bottles while others were told it was alright. --Bluejay Young 20:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Bloodhound Gang
I removed the segment in reference to the chants made towards the stage stating that " The chant/chorus was later sampled by Bloodhound Gang for their song "Fire, Water, Burn", as the song "Fire, Water, Burn" was released in 1996. --George The Man 00:19, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

East Stage...
If you have an original program from the show, Most of the popular heavier stuff was at the east stage area. At the middle of day 2 it was hot, real hot, the tops of my ears had burned and blistered. At that point people were trying to refill water bottles, at a slow pace, spilling more on the ground. People started ripping off the water fountain heads. The people were tearing apart these wooden water fountain islands opening a 1 1/2" pipe, and thats when things got muddy/shitty. It was getting muddy, some people started knocking over the port-a-pots into the mud. they were then breaking the water pipes open to bigger and bigger pipes, 1 1/2" to 3 inch, to 4 inch, to 8 inch, finally to a 10 or 12 main. At that point the east stage was cut off from water. the right side of the east stage was that funky mud, the left side was somewhat normal, some of the mud people were throwing this crap mud at the left side people. It definitly was not mud anymore from the smell of things.

None of what was reported as being as bad as it was over at the west stage. The fires, the mud, all on the east side.

I had my tent over by the west side, and it seemed pretty tame each night I walked back.

I may have some pictures of the mud throwing, and water problems.

It was $170 for my ticket.

I think if they had mixed up the acts a little more between stages, it may have not been as bad.

It was a high time of our nations prosperity under Clinton, We were brats, we didn't have a cause or a fight. There was No war, No one was pushing the whole green thing like they are now.

September 11th got everyones attention... Now there a ton of causes thats can be fought for, and no one is organising one of these shows now, when it may be beneficial to Our new youth.. 69.248.234.107 (talk) 05:17, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Holy crap, how did they get a 12" main open without any tools?! -Rolypolyman (talk) 18:36, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup
I just started a major cleanup and overhaul of the article, mostly deleting a bunch of synthesis comparing the '99 festival to the original while trying to retain the few cited facts that were included. Next I'm going to go over the "problems" section and delete stuff that has been there without citations for a long time (so if you've got any cites, add 'em now).

For balance, I'd like to see something that indicates that some of the performances were, at least, well-recieved or that some people had a good time despite the problems; if anyone has any references to that effect, please add them. Jgm (talk) 22:16, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay, my attempt at a full-scale cleanup is complete. I've added some references, and deleted some claims I was not able to find references for. I've added one bit about the positive reviews for the music early on, but really any such material is hugely overshadowed by negative reports on the conditions and violence. Given that and the generally well-referenced nature of what's left, I'd like to remove the POV/Neutrality tag from this article. If anyone has any objections, note them here(along with, I'd hope, your suggestions to fix). Jgm (talk) 21:05, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

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Loder quote
In a good-faith edit the Kurt Loder quote from USA Today was shortened, with the justification that the link provided does not contain the full quote. This is true; however the original USA Today print publication (which I have a copy of and which should be available on microfilm at any major library) does contain the full quote. So this presents an interesting dilemma -- one option would be to remove the link to the online version and simply reference the publication, this would make the full quotation accurately referenced but would make the article less useful to the reader, who is unlikely to want to dig up the print version. For now I've returned the full quote pending discussion here and will try to make an update to the reference that covers the situation. I'm glad to discuss this here and don't mind where it winds up. Thanks Jgm (talk) 14:01, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Fact tags
Several requests for citations were added to the article; I've deleted some of them. In one case (the presence of a rave site) the issue is non-controversial and covered in the references given. In other cases the statements are, I believe, validated by the overall references provided. Given the dozen or so articles quoted about the fires, rapes, and violence, it is fair to state that this is what the show is best remembered for. In a lead paragraph it is appropriate to summarize the overall gist of the documented history and press coverage, we don't need an outside quotable source to summarize it for us. Glad to discuss alternatives here. Jgm (talk) 16:01, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

"boobstock" claim
An editor has been adding to the lead the sentence "The festival was later facetiously nicknamed "Boobstock", due to widespread nudity among attendees."

Although someone has thoughtfully added a fact tag, I'm going to delete the statement altogether until a citation can be made at which point we can try to integrate it into the article. I cannot find any source for this, and disagree that such a claim should be made in the passive voice -- nicknamed by whom? Given the documented sexual violence that occurred this is not something that should be accepted lightly. Jgm (talk) 20:26, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Summary sentence in lead
Some editor(s) appear to have a problem with this sentence in the lead:

Woodstock '99 is remembered for reports of violence, rape, fires, and an abrupt ending of the show.

This statement is a summary the content in the rest of the article, and is appropriate for the article lead. Since the information stated is well-cited in the body of the article it is not necessary to include duplicate citations in the lead (see WP:LEADCITE). It's the job of the lead to include information like this. If you think there is a better way to summarize the topic and the article contents, go for it; the lead could use a beefing up. Jgm (talk) 21:07, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Moby and Fatboy Slim shows not correctly located
Moby and Fatboy Slim did not perform on the West Stage or any of the other stages listed in the article and they did not perform on the same night. They performed on consecutive nights in the B-52 hanger in what was billed as a "rave." I would edit the article and fix it, but I can't remember which one performed on which night and I don't want to get it wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrsjr57 (talk • contribs) 04:52, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

It's too vague
The headline says it all. Personally, I think that, if possible, the songs these artists performed should be listed. As in all of them. Granted, this will probably be a rather difficult task, to say the least, and my solution is that we find a professional or expert on this topic. 98.246.84.7 (talk) 17:57, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and by the way, feel free to leave comments on this section if you are passing by. 98.246.84.7 (talk) 17:59, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Many many years ago, this article did have setlists for a good number of the acts present. I presume they were removed for being poorly formatted and trivial. Retrieving them would be simple enough, but it would still require sourcing, and I doubt a bootleg would meet Wikipedia credibility standards. --Crimson Bleeding Souls (talk) 20:37, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Statement Doesn't Make Sense
This line in the first paragraph doesn't make sense; "Like the previous Woodstock festivals it was performed in upstate New York, this time in Rome, New York, around 200 miles from the site of the original event." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.136.195.96 (talk) 08:46, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: page moved.  Event horizon51  (talk) 13:02, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Woodstock 1999 → Woodstock '99 – per WP:COMMONNAME referred to as "Woodstock '99" far more than "Woodstock 1999". Searching on main Google gets 82,500 results for "Woodstock 1999" but 389,000 for "Woodstock '99". Google Books gives 2,560 results for "'99" while "1999" gets only 776. Even when Googling "Woodstock 1999" the first results that appear are articles that use '99. This move also allows for consistency with Woodstock '94. Nohomersryan (talk) 06:00, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

 * Support per nom. Just looking at the reference section of the article shows lots of the sources saying "99" rather than "1999".  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 08:21, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Support, we'll have to do another RM in 2099 (I'll put it up, adding it to my 'to do' list), but until then this should be fine. Another shadow/wannabee of the 1969 festival though. Randy Kryn 14:52, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

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"Portrayed by the media"
Woodstock 1999 was portrayed by the media as being marred by difficult environmental conditions, violence, sexual assault, looting, vandalism, and fires.

Why the weasel words? There don't seem to be any reliable sources disputing that the event WAS marred by multiple rapes, vandalism etc. --82.39.240.18 (talk) 20:13, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

something on profit/losses, costs would be good
I've love to know more about the financial side of this. Surely the lawyers must have been busy for years afterwards. 49.131.49.240 (talk) 09:45, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

 * I'm putting in a few numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Woodstock_%2799&type=revision&diff=1103197326&oldid=1103177325
 * Not sure about the laywers bit. :) Allanaaaaaaa (talk) 19:08, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Attendees: paid vs. unpaid
The reported facts don't seem to add up: "the festival didn't sell out - the amount of tickets sold were capped at 250,000" (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/19-worst-things-about-woodstock-99-176052/) would seem to contradict the claim that they had 400,000 *paid* attendees (based on the often-estimated $60 million in ticket sales). This veers on original reporting, though, so I'm going to make a note of it here before I do any editing on it.

The highest you can get is $45 million for 250,000 gate tickets at $180 apiece (known to be untrue; lots of advance sales). You can't get to $60 million. It's also possible that those "400,000 attendees" were lots of single-day passes (again, not gonna make it to $60 million at that rate).

It is possible that, say, 150,000 advance tickets (at $150 apiece of $22,500,000) and 100,000 gate tickets (at $180 apiece or $18,000,000) got them to $40,500,000 in sales. And then they had another 150,000 gate-crashers. To be clear, I am making these numbers up.

It is of course also possible that the number of tickets sold is actually 400,000. But that is hard to source.

Allanaaaaaaa (talk) 20:15, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism
Musiceasel removing an entire segment without any description of the edit is vandalism. I'd advise you against doing it again otherwise the matter will escalate into a warning PontiacAurora (talk) 04:18, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

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Robby Ginepri

Robert Louis Ginepri (born October 7, 1982) is an American former professional tennis player. He won three ATP singles titles in his career and achieved a career-high ranking of World No. 15 in December 2005. Ginepri's best Grand Slam result was the semifinals of the 2005 US Open, where he lost to Andre Agassi.

Early life
Robby Ginepri is of Luxembourgish ancestry. He attended Joseph Wheeler High School, located in Marietta, Georgia. He graduated as a member of the class of 2001.

2005
Ginepri was the first player to be beaten by Novak Djokovic in the main draw of a Grand Slam tournament, at the 2005 French Open.

In August, he reached the semifinals of an ATP Masters Series tournament for the first time in his career, in Cincinnati, Ohio. He beat 2005 French Open runner-up Mariano Puerta in the first round, David Ferrer in the second round, 1998 French Open champion Carlos Moyá in the third round, and two-time Grand Slam singles titlist Marat Safin in the quarterfinals. He then lost to world no. 1 Roger Federer in the semifinals.

His summer hardcourt record was 14–3 when he arrived two weeks later at the US Open as an unseeded player. After defeating Guillermo Garcia-Lopez in the first round, and Andy Roddick's conqueror, Gilles Müller, in the second round, both in straight sets, Ginepri then put together three consecutive five-set wins, defeating Tommy Haas in the third round, Richard Gasquet in the fourth round, and Guillermo Coria in the quarterfinals. He then lost to Andre Agassi in the semifinals in five sets. Ginepri thus became the first player in the open era to play four consecutive five-set matches at the US Open.

In November at the Madrid Masters, Ginepri made it to another ATP Masters Series semifinal, before losing to eventual champion Rafael Nadal. He also won the inaugural Superset Tennis tournament, a groundbreaking one-set, one-day tournament, earning him prize money of $250,000. He finished 2005 at world no. 15 in the ATP rankings, the highest ranking of his career.

2006–2007
Ginepri's results in 2006 did not match his successes in 2005. He lost in the second round of the Australian Open and the first round of both the French Open and Wimbledon. At the US Open, he lost in the third round to German Tommy Haas in a fifth-set tiebreaker. He finished the year ranked world no. 51 with a 24–26 record. Ginepri lost in the third round of both the Australian Open and the US Open and the first round of both the French Open and Wimbledon. He finished the year ranked world no. 134.

2008
At the tournament in Delray Beach, Florida, Ginepri lost in the semifinals to James Blake. In his next tournament, the SAP Open in San Jose, California, Ginepri was able to defeat Blake in the quarterfinals, but lost in the semifinals to Radek Štěpánek.

At the Tennis Channel Open in Las Vegas, Nevada, Ginepri reached the semifinals for his third consecutive tournament. Ginepri defeated Xavier Malisse in the first round, world no. 17 Marcos Baghdatis in the second round, and Ernests Gulbis in the quarterfinals, before falling to Kevin Anderson. Ginepri then played the Tennis Masters Series Pacific Life Open in Indian Wells, California, losing in the second round to Carlos Moyá.

At the Hypo Group Tennis International in Pörtschach, Austria, Ginepri lost in the quarterfinals to Juan Mónaco. He then made it to the fourth round of the French Open, before losing to 24th-seeded Fernando González. On grass, Ginepri lost in the second round of The Artois Championships in London to Andy Roddick and the first round of Wimbledon to Gonzalez.

On June 23, 2008, Ginepri's ranking was world no. 59, a rise of 112 places since January 28, 2008. Ginepri then made his Olympic debut tennis at the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing, China, losing in the first round. In July, Ginepri made his debut in the World Team Tennis league, playing for the new Washington Kastles team.

At the 2009 US Open, Ginepri advanced to the second round, before losing to Nicolás Almagro in five sets.

2010
Ginepri lost in the first round of the Australian Open. He beat Sam Querrey in four sets in the first round of the French Open and Potito Starace in the second round. He beat no. 16 Juan Carlos Ferrero in five sets, advancing to play in the fourth round, where he lost against Novak Djokovic in four sets. He was the only unseeded player left in the competition, along with qualifier Gabashvili, and the last American in the men's field.

He lost to Robin Söderling in straight sets in the first round of Wimbledon.

In October, Ginepri was involved in a biking accident causing him to have surgery on his arm. He didn't return to the pro tour until July 2011.

2011–2014
Ginepri participated in the Atlanta Tennis Championships as a wildcard. His first match was against fellow wildcard Tommy Haas. He received a wildcard to the US Open, where he defeated Brazilian João Souza in the first round in a four-set match. He then lost to John Isner in the second round.

In the early part of 2013, Ginepri won a Futures event and made the final of a Challenger tournament. Ginepri made it to the quarterfinals of the US Clay Court Championship in Houston before losing to Juan Mónaco. He failed to qualify for the French Open and did not participate in Wimbledon. In 2014, having competed in futures tournaments throughout the start of the season, Ginepri participated in his first Challenger at the 2014 Sarasota Open, retiring after one match in the first round of qualifying. After winning the USTA wildcard position for the 2014 French Open, he lost to Rafael Nadal in the first round, 6–0, 6–3, 6–0.

Personal life
Ginepri was born in Jacksonville and graduated from Joseph Wheeler High School in Marietta, Georgia. Ginepri currently lives in Acworth, Georgia. He owns the Olde Town Athletic Club in Marietta. His father, Rene, who is originally from Luxembourg, is a systems analyst and his mother, Nancy, is a second grade teacher.

Ginepri retired from the tour in 2015. He was briefly linked with actress Minnie Driver. He married Josephine Stafford on September 29, 2012 in Atlanta, Georgia. On February 22, 2007, Ginepri participated on Spike TV's Pros vs. Joes with Rik Smits, Rob Dibble, and Andre Rison.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Technosexual

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep.

August 2004 discussion on Votes for deletion
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Delete This article strikes me as fluff, with the external link seeming to have little to do w the subject matter. (rm'd unnecessary comment) Sam [Spade] 03:45, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Delete: The article is another neologism, and it has a "see also" section with other neologisms. I'm sure that someone can be aroused by tools, but this seems like original research. Geogre 04:26, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Keep. While the 4,000 Google results are probably an exaggeration of the term's scope, the topic is nonetheless a valid one: some generally agreed-upon definition does exist. —No-One Jones 13:35, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * The presence of an accepted definition does not warrant its inclusion in an encyclopedia, rather it might be support for it going in a dictionary. This article needs substance. - Centrx 17:49, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Delete. Idiotic neologism dicdef.    — Chameleon Main/Talk/Images 13:49, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Delete. Cribcage 14:11, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Keep. The external link leads to a website that promotes technosexuality. The man who created this website redefined the term 'technosexual.' If this article, which has been edited to remove reduntant and plagiarized content, is deleted because it seems "fluffy," the Metrosexual article should deleted as well according to this new standard... Loremaster 15:24, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * "Metrosexual" unfortunately has enough stupid people saying it for us to be forced to have a stupid article about it. "Technosexual" has not gathered enough twits yet.  Neither word actually refers to anything in the real world.  Some people just think the words sound cool.   — Chameleon Main/Talk/Images 15:51, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * See my two folllowing entries below. Loremaster 16:57, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * The substance of the metrosexual article is from discussing its popularity and publicization in the media. The term itself, however, is not uniquely substantiated; it is much like dandy and fop and would properly belong in an article that includes all such terms if not for this fad. Unless it is demonstrated that there is some substance to the term technosexual, by adding such substance to the article, technosexual should be deleted. - Centrx 17:49, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Delete, neologism dicdef. I had heard of "metrosexual" before seeing it on Wikipedia. The same is SO not true of "technosexual", and since I work for a dot com in Silicon Valley, I think I'd be one of the first to hear it if it was in common usage (my co-workers go on regular 'field trips' to ogle the goodies at Frys Electronics). Actually, I'd nuke cyberprep as well--to quote from that article, "Cyberprep...is a seldomly-used term..."--then why do we have it? Niteowlneils 16:00, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * If encyclopedias only contained terms that were used often, they would be very small and sometimes useless. The term 'cyberprep' is mentioned in many cyberpunk role-playing game sourcebooks so I have edited out that comment from the article. Loremaster 16:56, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * From AlterNet: Enter the Technosexual Although it seems like a made up word just to give the "M" word some competition, Montalvo didn't invent the technosexual. As far back as the 1970s, fetishists and intellectuals have equated the term with robo-rumbustication. Or, as defined by the Alt.Sex.Fetish.Robots FAQ, "Technosexuality is a word used to get away from the oft-confusing acronym, A.S.F.R., which refers to the sexual interest in machines, robots, androids, gynoids and other sexual devices not really occurring in real life." Based on this reported fact, I strongly conclude that the Technosexual article should NOT be deleted. On the contrary, it should be expanded. Loremaster 16:57, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Keep: As idiotic as it may sound, the word already spread into Turkish; some popular Turkish magazines have published extensive articles on "technosexual" and a Google search on the Turkish word "teknoseksüel" reveals some, though few results. There is already an entry in Urban Dictionary. Obviously it is currently a stub, but I am sure it can be expanded into a good full-blown article.--leandros 22:04, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Keep: It's a dictionary definition with some potential. While I completely agree with Chameleon about it being a stupid word, that's not our problem. It seems to be attracting people to use it just like metrosexual, and if that happens we need to document it. If it dies out quickly (which is admittedly likely, as most of those google hits pointed to the linked site) it could be revoted upon. Rico 23:32, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * I hate neologisms like this, but even I will have to admit that metrosexual is notable. I'm not convinced that "technosexual" shares this notability (in English, not Turkish), and in any case, what we have now is nothing but a dicdef.  At best, it should be transwikied to the Wiktionary, but that's assuming there's more to this word than its obvious definition.  I doubt there is.  --Ardonik 05:46, 2004 Aug 8 (UTC)

 * Keep. It's a word and if metrosexual merits a place on Wikipedia so does technosexual.  Also see: http://www.wordspy.com/words/technosexual.asp.  Don't transwiki, this can be expanded! -SocratesJedi 07:49, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Keep. Dmn 15:17, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Tentative Keep. While I do think it is a stupid word and strongly question the ability to turn this into encyclopedic content, there are a whole range of technical words that are not well-known, but still can merit an entry. Examples may be a whole range of the -phobia's and -pheliac's. If someone is able to expand this into a more relevant article with some actual information, I think it should be kept. If no one has expanded on it in, say, 1 or 2 months, I think it should be put up for vote again. Skyler 01:55, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC)

 * Concur- it's a silly idea, but a real one, and probably noteworthy & widespread enough to merit an article. Keep. -FZ 12:52, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * The -phobia's and the -pheliac's can warrant articles by reason of medicine and known symptoms, treatments, etc. or they should properly be merged if there are many with similar pathologies. Technosexual, however, is no medical term and there is no substance in the article. - Centrx 17:49, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Delete - Tεx  τ  urε  15:30, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Transwiki to Wiktionary (where they can decide if they want to keep this neologism or not). Rossami 13:50, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * I disagree. It's a relatively old neologism. The article should be expanded instead. Loremaster 17:28, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Keep and expand the article. I actually know a guy on IRC who purports to be a technosexual and as such I had heard of this before reading of it on Wikipedia. I don't think the article really defines it properly, though. Andre 08:46, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Keep does need to be expanded. --Vik-Thor 03:26, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Delete. Notes for two of the biggest arguments brought forth: 1) that there is an accepted usage of the word does not warrant the inclusion of the word in an encyclopedia. Some substance that is appropriate to an encyclopedia, that is not redundant, and that does not properly belong in another article like "gender role" or "abnormal sexual attractions", must be added to the article in order to provide some reason for keeping it.  2) The presence of the metrosexual article does not indicate that technosexual should be included. The metrosexual article is included because of the high use in the media and popular recognition and use. Metrosexual contains almost no neutral, non-sourced information about so-called "metrosexuality" and is almost entirely devoted to its popularity in the media. Without this fame and the media information, that article would properly be deleted. - Centrx 17:49, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Taking everyone's comments into account, I will work to expand this stub with susbstance appropriate to an encyclopedia as soon as possible. Loremaster 19:31, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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Horror of Fang Rock

Horror of Fang Rock is the first serial of the 15th season of the British science fiction television series Doctor Who, which was first broadcast in four weekly parts on BBC1 from 3 to 24 September 1977.

The serial is set on the fictional English island of Fang Rock in the early 20th century, where a shapeshifting alien scout called a Rutan arrives on Earth intending to use the planet as a strategic base in the Rutans' war against the Sontarans.

Plot
On the way to show Brighton to Leela, the TARDIS lands on the island of Fang Rock off the south coast of England in the early 20th century. Noticing that the lighthouse isn't functioning properly, the Fourth Doctor decides to investigate, as well as to ask for directions, as the TARDIS seems to have got 'lost in the fog'. Upon arrival at the lighthouse, and after introducing themselves, the Doctor discovers the dead body of one of the keepers, Ben. The other two keepers, old superstitious Reuben and the keen young Vince Hawkins, report that a light fell from the sky near the island. They also explain the electricity flow to the lamp on the lighthouse has become erratic and the Doctor deduces something is feeding on the flow. Reuben does not help matters with his constant references to the mythical Beast of Fang Rock, which reputedly once terrorised the lighthouse. As the Doctor and Leela explore, something moves Ben's body out of the lighthouse and onto the island, and they witness a curious electric crackling which seems to have killed fish nearby.

The loss of the electric light due to the unexplained draining of power from the generators causes a luxury yacht to crash onto Fang Rock. The four survivors are brought to the lighthouse: the bosun Harker; Colonel James Skinsale MP; the owner, Lord Palmerdale; and his highly strung secretary Adelaide Lessage. Over time it emerges Palmerdale has bought government secrets from Skinsale and was desperate to reach the stock exchange to make a killing – hence the reason the ship was travelling at such a pace.

Harker and the Doctor retrieve Ben's body and the Time Lord deduces it has been used as an anatomy lesson for an alien life form. He determines that their best protection is to secure the lighthouse to keep the creature out. Reuben then disappears for a time and then reappears a changed man, which the others put down to shock. Palmerdale is killed in the lamp room by a glowing alien presence on the outside of the lighthouse, and then Harker is killed in the boiler room. From the alien light emanating from Reuben, it is clear he has become possessed or transformed by the alien creature. The Doctor finds Harker's body and then Reuben's own – the latter cold for some time – which means the creature in Reuben's form has chameleonic properties.

The creature then stalks and kills the others in the lighthouse. With its presence now revealed, the alien sheds its disguise, revealing it to be a Rutan, a green blob-like amphibious life form, whose scout ship crash-landed in the sea and is trying to summon its mother ship. With the Rutans losing a long war against their hereditary enemies, the Sontarans, they plan to turn the strategically-located Earth into a base, from which they can launch a counterattack. However, once the Sontarans find the planet, they will certainly bombard Earth with photonic missiles, taking countless human lives in the process. The Doctor uses a flashbomb to disorient the Rutan, forcing it to retreat to the boiler room. The Doctor and Skinsale retrieve diamonds from Palmerdale's body belt to use in modifying the lighthouse beacon, but Skinsale is killed by the Rutan in the process. The Doctor then modifies a flare mortar to destroy the alien, and then uses the diamonds as a focus for the electric lighthouse beam to convert it into a high-energy laser, with which he destroys the Rutan mothership. Disobeying the Doctor, Leela watches the laser destroy the ship and is momentarily blinded, and as a side effect, the blinding flash turns Leela's eyes from brown to blue. The Doctor quotes Wilfrid Wilson Gibson's poem Flannan Isle as they leave.

Production
The serial was the first to be broadcast under new producer Graham Williams, who succeeded Philip Hinchcliffe.

Working titles for this story included The Monster of Fang Rock and The Beast of Fang Rock. Horror of Fang Rock was a late replacement for the scripts Terrance Dicks had originally submitted, a vampire-based tale entitled The Vampire Mutations, which was cancelled close to production as it was feared it could detract from the BBC's Count Dracula, a high-profile adaptation of Bram Stoker's classic novel Dracula, which was due for transmission close to when the serial would have aired. A re-written version did, however, eventually see production in 1980 as State of Decay, part of the eighteenth season of Doctor Who.

The serial is the only one of the original series to have been produced at BBC studios outside London. Engineering work at those studios meant that it was made at the Pebble Mill Studios of BBC Birmingham instead. According to the DVD commentary supplied by Louise Jameson, John Abbott and Terrance Dicks, a scene in part three was crucial to the behind-the-scenes relationship between Jameson and co-star Tom Baker. In one scene, he consistently came in ahead of his cue, thereby upstaging her. On the grounds that this move was "not what they had rehearsed" she insisted on three successive retakes until he came in at the rehearsed time. This eventually won his respect. From that point forward, she claims their working relationship was much smoother.

Louise Jameson stops wearing her brown contact lenses at the end of this serial, with the sudden change in colour being explained as a pigment dispersal caused by looking directly into a bright explosion. As mentioned in more than one DVD commentary Jameson had found the lenses painful to wear, and made their removal a condition for her agreeing to play Leela for another season.

The Ballad of Flannan Isle
Many elements of the episode were based on a poem, Flannan Isle by Wilfrid Wilson Gibson, which the Doctor quotes from at the end of the story; the poem itself was inspired by the mysterious disappearance of three lighthouse keepers from the Flannan Isles in 1900.

Cast notes
Alan Rowe had previously played Dr. Evans and provided the voice from Space Control in The Moonbase (1967) as well as Edward of Wessex in The Time Warrior (1973–74) and later appeared as Garif in the serial Full Circle (1980). Ralph Watson had previously played Captain Knight in The Web of Fear (1968) as well as Ettis in The Monster of Peladon (1974). Colin Douglas had previously played Donald Bruce in The Enemy of the World (1967–68).

Broadcast and reception
Paul Cornell, Martin Day, and Keith Topping wrote of the serial in The Discontinuity Guide (1995), "A masterpiece, designed to do nothing more than scare kids, which it does very efficiently. It's a very good Leela story, too." In The Television Companion (1998), David J. Howe and Stephen James Walker were also positive, describing it as "a tightly constructed drama that succeeds because of, rather than in spite of, its confined setting and limited cast". They praised the sets, atmosphere, and most of the acting. In Doctor Who: The Complete Guide, Mark Campbell awarded it ten out of ten, considering it "strong on atmosphere" and "a tense, scary tale that makes a virtue of its small cast and claustrophobic locale." He concluded that it was "superlative in every way".

In 2010, Mark Braxton of Radio Times awarded it four stars out of five, calling the serial "classy, cosy, autumnal Who", with many positives, including the good characterisation of Leela, the shock of the Doctor admitting he had done something wrong, and the characterisation of the lighthouse crew. The A.V. Club's Christopher Bahn was critical of the pacing of the end of the story and the "often unconvincing" special effects, but considered the serial to be, despite some flaws, "a classic base-under-siege chiller". Writing for The Guardian in 2019, Toby Hadoke described it as "a claustrophobic masterpiece dripping with mordant humour and suspense". For Den of Geek, Andrew Blair wrote that Leela's line "you will do as the Doctor says or I will cut out your heart" was his favourite Leela moment, adding that "what makes this scene even funnier is that the camera immediately cuts to the Doctor, who bursts into a massive grin."

Max Headroom intrusion
On the night of 22 November 1987, a broadcast of the first part of Horror of Fang Rock by Chicago television station WTTW was interrupted for around 90 seconds by a pirate broadcast featuring an unknown individual, who was disguised as the television character Max Headroom. The incident made national headlines, however the people responsible were never identified.

In print
A novelisation of this serial, written by Terrance Dicks, was published by Target Books in March 1978. According to the DVD commentary, this novelisation features his favourite cover.

Home media
Horror of Fang Rock was released on VHS in July 1998. It was released on Region 2 DVD in the United Kingdom on 17 January 2005, in Australia on Region 4 DVD on 7 April 2005, and in the United States on Region 1 DVD on 6 September 2005. In March 2024, the story was released again in an upgraded format for Blu-ray, including new special effects, being included with the other stories from Season 15 in the Doctor Who - The Collection Box Set.

The soundtrack, with linking narration by Louise Jameson, was released on vinyl by Demon Records on 19 February 2021.

Reviews

 * The Whoniverse's review on Horror of Fang Rock DVD

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Alexander Marinesko

Alexander Ivanovich Marinesko (Александр Иванович Маринеско, Олександр Іванович Марiнеско, Alexandru Marinescu; 15 January 1913 – 25 November 1963) was a Soviet career naval officer. During the last year of World War II, he became known as the captain of the submarine S-13, which sank the German military transport ship Wilhelm Gustloff in the Baltic Sea in January 1945. Passengers included civilians and women and children being evacuated from East Prussia, in addition to military and related personnel. More than 9,300 of the more than 10,000 passengers and crew died.

Marinesko was the most successful Soviet submarine commander in terms of gross register tonnage (GRT) sunk, with 42,000 GRT to his name, but at the time the government considered him personally unsuitable for the highest award. In 1990 he was posthumously awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union by President Mikhail Gorbachev.

Early life
Born in Odessa, Marinesko was the son of Ion Marinescu, a Romanian sailor, and Tatiana Mihailovna Koval, a Ukrainian from Kherson Governorate. His father had fled to the Russian Empire after beating an officer and settled in Odessa. There he modified his name according to Russian/Ukrainian language conventions, adopting Ivan as his first name and changing the last letter "u" of his surname to "o".

As a young man, Marinesko trained in the Soviet Merchant Navy and the Soviet Navy's Black Sea Fleet. Later he was assigned to a command position in the Baltic Fleet. He was promoted to lieutenant (ensign) in March 1936 and advanced to senior lieutenant (sub-lieutenant) in November 1938. In the summer of 1939 he was appointed commander of the new submarine M-96. When it entered service in mid-1940, it was declared to be the best submarine of the Baltic Fleet. Marinesko was awarded a golden watch and in 1940 promoted to captain-lieutenant (капитан-лейтенант, equivalent to Lieutenant Commander (LCDR/O-4) in the United States Navy).

World War II
Nazi Germany attacked the Soviet Union, in June 1941. The Soviet high command of the Baltic Fleet decided that the M-96 should be sent to the Caspian Sea to serve as a training boat. But this could not be realized because of the German blockade of Leningrad. On 12 February 1942, a German artillery shell hit M-96, causing considerable damage.

In the beginning of 1943, Marinesko was appointed commander of the modernized submarine S-13. Of the 13 units of the Type S (Stalinets), Series IX and IXbis, only this boat survived the war.

Wilhelm Gustloff and Steuben
Marinesko left the Soviet Porkkala Naval Base in Finland on 11 January 1945 and took position near Kolberg on January 13. During the next few days his submarine was attacked several times by German torpedo boats. On 30 January 1945, S-13 attacked and sank the Wilhelm Gustloff, which was evacuating civilians, mostly families with children, and military personnel from East Prussia. There were an estimated 9,400 casualties.

Days later, on 10 February, Marinesko sank a second German ship with two torpedoes, the Steuben, carrying mostly wounded military personnel, and more than 800 civilians, who were evacuating East Prussia and Memel (now Klaipėda). The total number of casualties is estimated at 4,267. Marinesko was ranked as the most successful Soviet submarine commander in terms of gross register tonnage (GRT) sunk, with 42,000 GRT to his name.

Before sinking the Wilhelm Gustloff, Alexander Marinesko had been facing a court martial due to his problems with alcohol. Despite his success with the sinkings, he was deemed "not suitable to be a hero". He was instead awarded the Order of the Red Banner. He was downgraded in rank to lieutenant and dishonorably discharged from the navy in October 1945, following war's end.

In 1960 Marinesko was reinstated as captain third class and granted a full pension. In 1963 he was given the traditional ceremony due a captain upon his successful return from a mission, which he had not received in 1945. He died from cancer three weeks later on 25 November 1963 he was buried at the Bogoslovskoe Cemetery in St. Petersburg. In 1990 Marinesko was posthumously awarded Hero of the Soviet Union by President Mikhail Gorbachev, after rehabilitation of the late submarine commander by the newspaper Izvestia.

Legacy

 * In 1990, the year of the posthumous award, Ulitsa Stroitelei (Builders' Street) in St. Petersburg was renamed in his honor to Ulitsa Marinesko. It is that portion located in Kirovskiy District, connecting Avtovskaya and Zaitseva streets.
 * The Museum of Russian Submarine Forces in St. Petersburg was named after him,
 * Monuments dedicated to him were erected in Kaliningrad, Kronstadt, Moldova, and Odessa.
 * Marinesko is an historic figure and prominent character in Günter Grass's novel Crabwalk (2002), which describes in detail the sinking of the Wilhelm Gustloff.

Honours and awards

 * Hero of the Soviet Union, 1990
 * Two Orders of Lenin
 * Two Orders of the Red Banner
 * Medal "For Military Merit"
 * Medal "For the Defence of Leningrad"
 * Medal "For the Victory over Germany in the Great Patriotic War 1941–1945"
 * Medal "In Commemoration of the 250th Anniversary of Leningrad", 1957

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Foots Cray

Foots Cray is an area of South East London, England, within the London Borough of Bexley. Prior to 1965 it was in the historic county of Kent. It is located south-east of Sidcup, north of Orpington and north west of Swanley.

History

It took its name from Godwin Fot, a local Saxon landowner recorded in the Domesday Book of 1086, and from the River Cray that passes through the village. It lay on the old Maidstone Road (now bypassed by the A20 road) leading from London to north Kent. Until the 20th century, Foots Cray dominated the nearby, less ancient hill-top hamlet of Sidcup. The combined area was designated as the Urban District of Foots Cray in 1902. Soon, however, the two settlements' fortunes were reversed, as Foots Cray's traditional industries declined after the First World War, and Sidcup grew rapidly as a commuter town after a railway was built linking it to central London. In 1921 this change was reflected in the renaming of Foots Cray Urban District to Sidcup Urban District. In 1965 both areas became part of the London Borough of Bexley.

William Walsingham (died 1534), of Foots Cray, second son of James Walsingham, lord of the Manor of Scadbury in Chislehurst, Kent, was the father of Sir Francis Walsingham (c.1532-1590), Principal Secretary to Queen Elizabeth I, popularly remembered as her "spymaster".

The estate of Foots Cray Place was rebuilt about 1754 for Bourchier Cleeve, on the site of the manor, as a Palladian mansion that was attributed to Isaac Ware; it was illustrated in this form in Vitruvius Britannicus iv (1777, pls. 8-10). Foots Cray Place was remodelled for Benjamin Harenc (1792) by the minor London architect Henry Hakewill, who further remodelled it in 1823 for Nicholas Vansittart, 1st Baron Bexley, who was Chancellor of the Exchequer. Further works were carried out for Lord Bexley by another London architect of equally modest reputation, John William Hiort, who also built Bexley's London house in Great George Street, Westminster. After a fire in 1949, it was demolished in 1950. Now only the stable block remains, but the grounds, known as Foots Cray Meadows, provide a valuable public green space in this south-eastern suburb of London. This 89-hectare park was formed in the early 19th century from two mid-18th-century landscaped parks. It is listed by English Heritage as a Grade II historic park and is a Local Nature Reserve. The "London LOOP" walk passes through Foots Cray Meadows on its way from Old Bexley to Sidcup Place and Petts Wood. There is some industry in an area next to the meadows and bordering the river.

The naval wireless engineer and short-story writer F. G. Loring died at the Old House, Foot's Cray on 7 September 1951, aged eighty-two.

Foots Cray stable block and adjacent walled garden were placed on the English Heritage 'at risk' register but have now been rescued following redevelopment to form a luxury home that was for sale in 2008 at £3.5 million.

The town gave its name to Footscray, a major suburb in the inner west of the metropolitan area of Melbourne, Australia.

Geography
Foots Cray borders North Cray to the north and north east, Ruxley to the east and south east, St Paul's Cray to the south and south west and Sidcup to the west and north west.

Church
Just to the north of the main crossroads, All Saints Church, Foots Cray, is situated in Rectory Lane on the edge of Foots Cray Meadows near the River Cray. The church was built in the 1330s but is believed to stand on the site of an earlier (possibly Saxon) church evidenced by the late 12th century Norman font. The church includes a mid 14th century effigy, two 14th century windows on the south side of the nave and in the chapel, and a brass plate recording the death of Thomas Myton, Rector of Foots Cray, in 1489. The west door-case and porch date from about 1500. In 1638 the church owned eight acres of land which included an orchard, garden and cowyard, a dwelling house, hovel, barn and stable.

In 1863 extensive alterations took place, including the removal of the old box pews, with the church being substantially rebuilt. The nave was extended westwards with the bell tower at the west end of the church left standing on four oak posts so that the bells are now rung from the centre of the aisle. During the enlargement and remodelling of the chancel, the remains of twenty burials were found, as was a brass plate engraved with the date 1440 which still had a bunch of lavender placed underneath it. The stained glass windows date from the second half of the 19th century as do the three bells, although the bells were recast in 1987. In 1995-97 major roof repairs took place to the nave, chancel, chapel and vestry at a cost of nearly £70,000.

The original parish registers dating back to 1559 were stolen in 1948 when vandals broke into the church and threw the church records into the River Cray, but copies of the register from 1559 to 1832 had been made.

The original churchyard was extended in 1876 courtesy of a donation of one acre of land by Robert Arnold Vansittart, and again in 1885. The churchyard includes an unusual iron stone grave slab which marked the burial of Martin Manning 'Yeoman' in 1656 (although the inscription is no longer legible). The granite Sir John Pender monument was blown over in the hurricane of October 1987 despite its great weight and later re-erected by the Pender family and Sir John's old company Cable & Wireless plc.

In 1996 when contractors were cleaning out the void just above the walls around the nave, they found a Daily Express newspaper dated 29 October 1957 in an envelope signed by the seven workmen who had been installing a gas-fired boiler.

Buses
Foots Cray is served by 5 London Buses routes.
 * 51 to Orpington via St Paul's Cray & St Mary Cray and to Woolwich via Sidcup, Blackfen, Welling & Plumstead Common.
 * 233 to Eltham via Sidcup & New Eltham and to Swanley via Ruxley.
 * 321 to New Cross Gate via Sidcup, New Eltham, Eltham, Eltham Green, Lee Green & Lewisham (24 hours).
 * 492 to Bluewater via Ruxley Corner, North Cray, Bexley, Bexleyheath, Crayford, Dartford, Stone & Greenhithe and to Sidcup.
 * R11 to Green Street Green via St Paul's Cray, St Mary Cray & Orpington and to Queen Mary's Hospital, Sidcup via Sidcup High Street.

Rail
The nearest National Rail stations to Foots Cray are Sidcup and St Mary Cray.

Industry and Commerce
The Coca-Cola Company has a large manufacturing and bottling plant in Foots Cray which opened in 1961 and employs 361 people. This plant was where Dasani water was produced.

Kolster-Brandes was a manufacturer of radio and television sets that moved to Foots Cray in 1928. The company was later acquired by ITT. The Kolster-Brandes company rugby team, which was formed in 1967, is now called Foots Cray RUFC and competes to this day. The team's badge incorporates the STC letters which represent Standard Telephones and Cables, the company which took over the Kolster Brands business.

Fujitsu had a call centre and software development offices on the site of the former Kolster-Brandes factory which closed in 2009.

Richard Klinger Group, an Austrian company which made engine gaskets, hydraulic pipelines and water level gauges and valves, had a factory built in 1937 fronting Edgington Way in a Modernist architectural style. This Klinger factory, later bought by French company Trouvey Cauvin, closed in the 1990s and was severely damaged by fire in 2013. The main and flank facades were retained when the building was converted for self-storage use during 2018/19 when the exterior clock was restored.

The Robert Greig foodstore near the village centre was modified as a Lidl supermarket in the early 1990s and traded until 16th January 2022, when it was superseded by a purpose-built supermarket on Sevenoaks Way, in St. Mary Cray to the south.

Sport
A small short lived greyhound racing track was opened during the mid-1930s in the area. The exact location is unknown but according to the 1934 Kelly's Directory was located on the Sidcup Hill side of Foots Cray. The racing was independent (not affiliated to the sports governing body, the National Greyhound Racing Club) and was known as a flapping track, which was the nickname given to independent tracks.

In 1977, Foots Cray Lions football club was established, with one team entering the local league. The club's matches are played at Baugh Road in Foots Cray. The club has male and female adult and junior teams. In 2016 Foots Cray Lions were voted Charter Standard Development Club of the Year by the Football Association.

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List of rulers of Ngwaketse

The following is a list of rulers of baNgwaketse, a territory located in present-day Botswana.

Kgôsikgolo = King

(Dates in italics indicate de facto continuation of office)

title: List of rulers of Ngwaketse


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Detection Club

The Detection Club was formed in 1930 by a group of British mystery writers, including Agatha Christie, Dorothy L. Sayers, Ronald Knox, Freeman Wills Crofts, Arthur Morrison, Hugh Walpole, John Rhode, Jessie Rickard, Baroness Emma Orczy, R. Austin Freeman, G. D. H. Cole, Margaret Cole, E. C. Bentley, Henry Wade, Constance Lindsay Taylor and H. C. Bailey. Anthony Berkeley was instrumental in setting up the club, and the first president was G. K. Chesterton. There is a fanciful initiation ritual with an oath written by Sayers, and the club holds regular dinner meetings in London.

Guidelines
In addition to meeting for dinners and helping each other with technical aspects in their individual writings, the members of the club agreed to adhere to Knox's Commandments in their writing to give the reader a fair chance at guessing the guilty party. These fair-play "rules" were summarised by one of the members, Ronald Knox, in an introduction to an anthology of detective stories. They were never intended as more than guidelines, and not all the members took them seriously. The first American member (though then living in the UK) was John Dickson Carr, elected in 1936.

The club continues to exist, although the fair-play rules have been considerably relaxed.

A number of works were published under the club's sponsorship; most of these were written by multiple members of the club, each contributing one or more chapters in turn. In the case of The Floating Admiral, each author also provided a sealed "solution" to the mystery as he or she had written it, including the previous chapters. This was done to prevent a writer from adding impossible complications with no reasonable solution in mind. The various partial solutions were published as part of the final book.

The oath
"Do you promise that your detectives shall well and truly detect the crimes presented to them using those wits which it may please you to bestow upon them and not placing reliance on nor making use of Divine Revelation, Feminine Intuition, Mumbo Jumbo, Jiggery-Pokery, Coincidence or Act of God?"

Presidents

 * G. K. Chesterton (1930–1936)
 * E. C. Bentley (1936–1949)
 * Dorothy L. Sayers (1949–1957)
 * Agatha Christie (1957–1976)
 * Lord Gorell (1957–1963)
 * Julian Symons (1976–1985)
 * H. R. F. Keating (1985–2000)
 * Simon Brett (2000–2015)
 * Martin Edwards (2015–)

Lord Gorell shared the presidency with Agatha Christie, who only agreed to accept the role if a co-president was appointed to conduct the club's proceedings.

Publications

 * The Scoop and Behind the Screen (1931, round-robin novellas)
 * The Floating Admiral (1931,1932, round-robin novel)
 * Ask a Policeman (1933)
 * The Anatomy of a Murder (1936) (US title The Anatomy of Murder (New York, Macmillan, 1937) True crime essays
 * Detection Medley (1939; US title, Line-Up, 1940; short stories, some original, some reprints; edited by John Rhode)
 * Mystery Playhouse presents The Detection Club (January 1948); six 30 minute radio plays by club members on BBC Light Programme written in aid of club funds
 * No Flowers By Request (round-robin novella, 1953)
 * Verdict of Thirteen (1978; original short stories, edited by Julian Symons, published by Faber and by Harper & Row)
 * The Man Who... (1992); original short stories in honor of Julian Symons's 80th birthday, edited by H. R. F. Keating, published by Macmillan])
 * The Detection Collection (2005; original short stories in recognition of the Club's 75th anniversary, edited by Simon Brett, published by Orion and by St. Martin;'s (2006))
 * The Verdict of Us All (2006; original short stories in honor of H. R. F. Keating's 80th birthday, edited by Peter Lovesey, published by Crippen & Landru and Allison & Busby)
 * The Sinking Admiral (2016, round-robin novel, published by Collins Crime Club)
 *  Motives for Murder (2016; original short stories in honor of Peter Lovesey's 80th birthday, edited by Martin Edwards, published by Crippen & Landru and by Sphere (Little, Brown Book Group).
 *  Howdunit: A Masterclass in Crime Writing by Members of the Detection Club (2020; edited by Martin Edwards, published by Collins Crime Club).
 * Eric the Skull (2020; a 45-minute BBC Radio 4 play, being a fictionalised account of the setting up of the club, written by Simon Brett and produced by Liz Anstee).

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The Littles

The Littles is a series of children's novels by American author John Peterson, the first of which was published in 1967. Sixteen years later, Peterson's books were adapted into The Littles, an animated series by DIC Entertainment. The television show formerly ran on ABC Saturday mornings from September 10, 1983 to November 2, 1985 for three seasons and 29 episodes. In 1985, DiC released an animated feature film spun off the series titled Here Come the Littles.

Similar to Mary Norton's earlier novel The Borrowers, The Littles features a family of tiny, intelligent humanoid creatures with mouse-like features (the Littles) who live in a house owned by the Bigg family. The mouse-like features include a long, furry tail, long teeth and mouse-like ears (in the books the Littles have a tail but not the long teeth and mouse-like ears). Their height is 4 - 6 in.

The Little Family
The Littles are a family of tiny people living in the walls of human houses. The Little family consists of William T. Little and Wilma Little (Frank and Helen in the TV series), their children Tom and Lucy, and Uncle Pete (Grandpa Little in the TV series). In the books, Uncle Nick, Uncle Pete, Granny and Grandpa (Amos), and Baby Betsy live with the family. Relatives who don't live with them include Cousin Dinky, his wife Della, his mother Lily the nurse, Granny's sister Littlebit, and her cousins Tracy and Gracie.

Tom and Lucy Little
Tom and Lucy Little both insist on doing good deeds for big people, including a blind woman. One time they tried to find a Grandma Little for Grandpa. They can make mischief around the place.

Dinky
An older cousin of the other Littles, he is a pilot and serves as the mail service and occasional transport for all tiny people in the area. In the books he flies a glider (competently) and is responsible and adventurous; in the TV series he flies a propeller plane (poorly) and he is clumsy and frequently gets into trouble. Usually these troubles remit directly into Grandpa Little, who loses his temper and charges into "disciplining" the unfortunate Dinky. In the books he marries Della, who learns to fly. While he lives with his mother Lilly the nurse in the books, in the TV series he lives with the family.

Ashley
Another younger cousin of Tom and Lucy. Portrayed as a tantrum-prone and rebellious spoiled brat, he often sabotages whatever his older cousins accomplish, only to feel bad about it when Tom and Lucy are put in danger as a result. He appears only in the TV series during seasons two and three.

Henry Bigg
Henry Bigg is the boy who lives in a house with The Littles. He never discovers the Littles in the book series, but in the cartoon he is one of the few people who knows of the Littles' existence.

The first season of the TV series never revealed how Henry learned about the Littles, as it opened with Henry telling the audience that he has "a very special secret" and is the only one who knows about the Littles. During the second season, the opening says that Tom and Lucy fell inside Henry's suitcase when he moved; he discovered them when he opened his suitcase afterward. In the final season, Henry traveled to other parts of the world with his parents, using a specially designed carrier (a hollowed-out camera case) to take the Littles with him.

The movie Here Come the Littles follows the second season opening in that Tom and Lucy get trapped in Henry's suitcase. However, Henry doesn't discover them until much later, first seeing Grandpa and Dinky while mowing his Uncle Augustus' yard. Augustus takes them away from Henry, believing them to be toys. To rescue Grandpa and Dinky, Tom and Lucy decide to reveal themselves to Henry, befriending him and asking him for help.

Henry takes great care to keep other people, including his own parents, from learning about the Littles. In one episode, however ("Dinky's Doomsday Pizzas"), Henry betrayed the Littles when he learned that if he did, he would be on TV. The incident, and its resulting fallout, turned out to be only a dream, specifically Dinky's dream.

Slick
Slick is Henry's pet turtle who is usually seen hanging with The Littles. In emergencies when Tom and Lucy must contact Henry, they tie messages on Slick's back and send them to him. Slick wears roller skates to move more quickly but often comically slips and slides around.

Glory
Glory becomes Tom's friend in "The Littles and their Amazing new Friend" after she saves Tom and Uncle nick from a haystack fire.

The Littles series

 * The Littles, Roberta Carter Clark, illustrator, 1967
 * The Littles Take A Trip, 1968
 * The Littles To the Rescue, Roberta Carter Clark, illustrator, 1968
 * The Littles Have A Wedding, Roberta Carter Clark, illustrator, 1971
 * The Littles Give A Party, Roberta Carter Clark, illustrator, 1972 (originally issued as "The Littles Surprise Party")
 * The Littles and the Great Halloween Scare, Roberta Carter Clark, illustrator, 1975 (originally issued as "Tom Little's Great Halloween Scare")
 * The Littles and the Trash Tinies, 1977
 * The Littles Go Exploring, Roberta Carter Clark, illustrator, 1978
 * The Littles and the Big Storm, Roberta Carter Clark, illustrator, 1979
 * The Littles Go to School, 1983
 * The Littles Treasury: Exciting Adventures With a Family of Tiny People, 1983 (a compendium of the first four Littles books)
 * The Littles and the Lost Children, 1991
 * The Littles and the Terrible Tiny Kid, Roberta Carter Clark and Jacqueline Rogers, illustrators, 1993
 * The Littles and Their Amazing New Friend, 1999
 * The Littles and The Scary Halloween, Jacqui Rogers, illustrator, 2002
 * The Littles Have a Happy Valentine's Day, Jacquelin Rogers, illustrator, 2003 (adapted from The Littles Have a Wedding)

Not by John Peterson

 * The Littles and the Surprise Thanksgiving Guests by Joel Peterson, Roberta Carter Clark, illustrator, 2004
 * The Littles and the Perfect Christmas by Joel Peterson, Illustrated by Jacqueline Rogers, 2004
 * The Littles and the Missing Cat by Cheryl Mead
 * The Littles Move In by Bob Clarke
 * The Littles Riddles by Bob Clarke
 * The Littles Help Out by Bob Clarke
 * The Little Scouts by Dina Anastasio
 * The Little Winner by Grace MacCarone and Suzanne Weyn
 * The Littles Visit the Statue of Liberty by Lorentz Carlson
 * The Littles Sticker Book by Suzanne Weyn
 * The Littles Punch-Out Toy Book by James Razzi

Littles First Readers series

 * Littles First Readers: The Littles and the Big Blizzard, Jacqui Rogers, illustrator
 * Littles First Readers: The Littles and the Secret Letter, Jaqueline Rogers, illustrator
 * Littles First Readers: The Littles and the Summer Storm, with Teddy Slater, Jacqueline Rogers, illustrator
 * Littles First Readers: The Littles Get Lost
 * Littles First Readers: The Littles Get Trapped!, Jacqui Rogers, illustrator
 * Littles First Readers: The Littles Go Around the World, with Teddy Slater, Jacqueline Rogers, illustrator
 * Littles First Readers: The Littles Go On A Hike, Jaqueline Rogers, illustrator
 * Littles First Readers: The Littles Have a Merry Christmas, Jacquelin Rogers, illustrator
 * Littles First Readers: The Littles Make A Friend, Jacqui Rogers, illustrator
 * Littles First Readers: The Littles and the Scary Halloween Jaqueline Rogers, illustrator
 * Littles First Readers: The Littles Do Their Homework Jacqueline Rogers, Illustrator

Littles sets

 * The Littles Set #1: The Littles; The Littles to the Rescue; The Littles and the Lost Children; and The Littles Have a Wedding
 * The Littles Set #2: Littles and the Big Storm; Littles and the Trash Tinies; Littles and the Terrible Tiny Kid; and the Littles Go To School
 * The Littles Set #3: Littles and the Great Halloween Scare; Littles Take a Trip; Littles Go Exploring; and the Littles and Their Amazing New Friend

Other Littles books

 * The Littles Reproducible Activities
 * The Littles and Their Friends; William T. Little, John Peterson; Scholastic, 1981
 * The Littles' Scrapbook: A Facsimile Reproduction of Pages from a Tiny Person's Book, Enlarged Six Times; William T. Little, John Peterson; Scholastic, 1987

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CMIP

CMIP can refer to:

 * Common Management Information Protocol, the OSI specified network management protocol
 * Coupled Model Intercomparison Project, a collaborative framework designed to improve knowledge of climate change and global warming
 * Institute for Monitoring Peace and Cultural Tolerance in School Education (formerly Center for Monitoring the Impact of Peace), a non-profit organization that monitors the content of school textbooks

title: CMIP