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What's with the image? - Nat Krause 18:06, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[Bob Myers]: Yes, I know about "Rio Grande River" and everything but I can't agree with "Eihei Temple" or "Soji Temple". It's Eiheiji and Sojiji, for goodness sake. Those are their names. And since people might not know that they're temples you might have to say "Eiheiji Temple", but that's not really necessary, especially if you describe it is a temple the first time you refer to it.

[NEN]: Please could someone make a comprehensive list of Dogens writings? Everyone knows about the Shobogenzo, but what about an explanation of the abbreviated version (ie discussion of whether its representative) which is what is generally available in translation? What about the Eihei Koroku and its abbreviation the Eihei Goroku?

I only recently heard of From the Zen Kitchen to Enlightenment/Instructions for the Zen Cook, which sounds like a fascinating accessable piece. Why is that not also included under the 'writings' section? If it had been already, I wouldn't have been looking for a copy already.

Thanks to anyone able to do this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.88.47.169 (talk) 13:07, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've added some of his better known writings but there is quite a bit more. Hee-jin Kim's "Eihei Dogen, Mystical Realist" has a list in Appendix B. I wasn't sure whether to add the whole list or just some of it so I opted for the latter.Thinman10 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:32, 12 February 2010 (UTC).

Relation to Modern Existentialism
I was hoping that this article would elaborate a bit on how Dogen compares to modern existential philosophers like Heidegger. In briefly parsing the internet, I found this book from the 80's on this topic specifically. http://www.sunypress.edu/p-237-existential-and-ontological-dim.aspx It's also available on Google Books for a large part. Maybe will look at researching this, but any help would be appreciated. Shaded0 (talk) 07:52, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Contradictions in Dogen
There are certain contradictions on the topic of life and death that are discussed in Dogen's Shoji that deny and acknowledge the existence of birth and death. Although there are only translations of the text, the text does discuss the idea freeing one's self from birth and death to attain nirvana. But Dogen also denies the existence of birth and death earlier in the passage, so was there some intention that was lost in translation?

 * If you can accept that birth and death don't truly exist, then surely you could see the value in detaching from such things?
 * Apparent contradictions in Zen are frequently intentional and nevertheless part of the package.
 * Deuceboise (talk) 01:53, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

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Metaphysical experiences
What's the relevance of this excessive section? And where are the sources and pagenumbers? The following works are inaccessible, and can't be verified: That leaves only three sources which are verifiable:
 * DeVisser (1923), The Arhats in China and Japan, Berlin: Oesterheld
 * MacPhillamy et al. (2007) - internal publication; also, WP:PRIMARY source
 * Dōshū, Ōkubo (1969–70), Dōgen Zenji zenshū (Japanese)
 * Kato, K (1994), The Life of Zen Master Dōgen (Illustrated), Zen Fountains, Taishōji Sōtō Mission, Hilo, Hawaii, by permission of the Sōtōshū Shūmuchō, Tokyo - also, WP:PRIMARY source
 * Eihei-ji Temple Staff (1994), Sanshō, the Magazine of Eihei-ji Temple, November, Fukui, Japan: Eihei-ji Temple Press - also, WP:PRIMARY source
 * - no mention of the term "metaphysical experience" or "spiritual experience;
 * Faure, Bernard (2000), Visions of Power. Imaging Medieval Japanese Buddhism, Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press - no mention of the term "metaphysical experience" or "spiritual experience;
 * Bodiford, William M. (2008), Soto Zen in Medieval Japan (Studies in East Asian Buddhism), University of Hawaii Press - no mention of the term "metaphysical experience" or "spiritual experience; instead, Bodiford speaks of "miraculous experiences" (p.32)

MacPhillamy et al (1997), YUME: Visionary Experience in the Lives of Great Masters Dōgen and Keizan, The Journal of the Order of Buddhist Contemplatives, Shasta Abbey Press, 12 (2) probably provides some insight: it's an OBC-narrative, probably to place Jiyu-Kennett's criticised visions into a context which validates them as authoritative.

Bodiford and Faure are also illuminating: miraculous events and auspicious signs helped to establish the power and legitimacy of Dogen as a teacher, and Eiheiji as a cultic center. Tht's the intro needed for such a section. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk!  20:29, 17 December 2018 (UTC) / update  Joshua Jonathan  - Let's talk!  04:44, 18

 * The relevance of the section is that it is part of the biography of his life, in a section on the biography of his life.
 * Please see guidelines for WP:PRIMARY
 * None of the sources above meet that qualification. Dogen lived 1,000 years ago. The only primary source of his are his own direct writings. Sotoshu has large libraries of records however no one involved in Sotoshu is in any way directly close to the source as he's long dead. If you were going to claim that, you'd have to claim that for every writing by every Soto Zen teacher on every Zen page, including Warner, and those you like. Additionally, the areas cited by the Kato and Eihei-ji Staff sources, are those that are discussing statements like there being "long history of documentation of such and such in Soto Literature" Citing such literature is completely relevant. You also need to be patient, and realize that people have lives outside of wikipedia. Just because I don't respond to you immediately, doesn't mean I will not get to reasonable concerns. Karma Dechen Lhamo (talk) 04:57, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * None of the sources above meet that qualification. Dogen lived 1,000 years ago. The only primary source of his are his own direct writings. Sotoshu has large libraries of records however no one involved in Sotoshu is in any way directly close to the source as he's long dead. If you were going to claim that, you'd have to claim that for every writing by every Soto Zen teacher on every Zen page, including Warner, and those you like. Additionally, the areas cited by the Kato and Eihei-ji Staff sources, are those that are discussing statements like there being "long history of documentation of such and such in Soto Literature" Citing such literature is completely relevant. You also need to be patient, and realize that people have lives outside of wikipedia. Just because I don't respond to you immediately, doesn't mean I will not get to reasonable concerns. Karma Dechen Lhamo (talk) 04:57, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

 * Also, for that matter, there's nothing wrong per se, if a source is primary, so long as it's used appropriately. Wikipedia does not ban primary sources, it's just they have to be used in the correct way. See WP:PRIMARY:

 * None of those sources above are primary, however it would be perfectly valid to use primary sources in correct context. For example, if talking about something Dogen said, and then quoting a primary source of him actually saying said thing, is perfectly valid and reasonable and within Wikipedia guidelines and contexts. -Not that any of that matters for the above sources anyway as none of them are primary, but it's worth noting. Karma Dechen Lhamo (talk) 05:25, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

 * The relevance is also made clear by Faure and Bodiford. It's not just part of his autobiography, it's part of his culure and context, and part of the narratives that lend authority to him and Eiheiji. Faure is an excellent source for that kind of context, of course (The Rhetorics of Immediacy is in my library).
 * You're right, primary sources can be used. Yet, secondary sources are to be preferred, especially when you're trying to build an argument that Jiyu-Kennett's visions are not without precedent. Faure or Bodiford stating so is quite different from a Shasta Abbey publication saying so. Nevertheless, if MacPhillamy et al. make this connection, that suffices, "According to ..." etc. But a quote would be welcome. Joshua Jonathan  - Let's talk!  05:32, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

 * That's fine but that has nothing to do with this article. This article is not on Jiyu-Kennett(??) And none of the sources above are primary. Karma Dechen Lhamo (talk) 05:35, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

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Evil E

Eric Garcia (born January 3, 1964), professionally known by his stage name Evil E, is an American disc jockey. He's best known as the DJ for Ice-T, who brought him in to his production company Rhyme Syndicate in the mid-1980s. He is the brother of fellow rapper Henry "Hen-Gee" Garcia, with whom he formed the duo Spinmasters.

Career
Eric Garcia was born January 3, 1964, to Honduran parents and grew up in Brooklyn, New York with his brother Henry. They both appeared in the 1985 film Rappin' alongside Ice-T. They removed to the West Coast and joined Ice-T's Rhyme Syndicate, wherein Eric provided scratches serving as a deejay. Evil E appeared on the front covers of Ice-T's first two albums.

He appeared on the spoken word track "Evil E-What About Sex?" on the Ice-T's O.G. Original Gangster album, and raps on Ice-T's track "Pimp Behind the Wheels" on the Home Invasion album. Later on, in 1991, he released a full-length album with Hen-Gee, titled Brothers (Pendulum/Elektra), which spawned singles: "Lil Trig" (peaked at #15 on the Hot Rap Songs) and "If U Were Mine" (peaked at #85 on the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs).

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Although Evil E's contribution to Ice-T's records became less prominent after 1993, he was still touring with Ice-T as late as 2018.

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GrabIt

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Victor Grignard

Francois Auguste Victor Grignard (6 May 1871 – 13 December 1935) was a French chemist who won the Nobel Prize for his discovery of the eponymously named Grignard reagent and Grignard reaction, both of which are important in the formation of carbon–carbon bonds. He also wrote some of his experiments in his laboratory notebooks.

Biography
Grignard was the son of a sailmaker. He was a hard-working student and was described as having a humble and friendly attitude. He also had a talent for mathematics. After attempting to major in mathematics, Grignard failed his entrance exams before being drafted into the army in 1892. After one year of service, he returned to pursue his studies of mathematics at the University of Lyon and finally obtained his degree Licencié ès Sciences Mathématiques in 1894. In December of the same year, he transferred to chemistry and began working with Professors Philippe Barbier (1848–1922) and Louis Bouveault (1864–1909). After working with stereochemistry and enines, Grignard was not impressed with the subject matter and asked Barbier about a new direction for his doctoral research. Barbier advised that Grignard study how a failed Saytzeff reaction using zinc, was successful, in low yields, after substitution of magnesium. They sought to synthesize alcohols from alkyl halides, aldehydes, ketones, and alkenes. Grignard hypothesized that the aldehyde or ketone prevented the magnesium from reacting with the alkyl halide, accounting for the low yields. He tested his hypothesis by first adding an alkyl halide and magnesium filings to a solution of anhydrous ether and then adding the aldehyde or ketone. This resulted in a drastic increase in the yield of the reaction.

A couple of years later, Grignard was able to isolate the intermediate. He had heated a mixture of magnesium turnings and isobutyl iodide and added dry ethyl ether to the mixture, observing the reaction. The product is known as a Grignard reagent. Named after him, this organo-magnesium compound (R-MgX) (R = alkyl ; X = Halogen) readily reacts with ketones, aldehydes, and alkenes to produce their respective alcohols in impressive yields. Grignard had discovered the synthetic reaction that now bears his name (the Grignard reaction) in 1900. In 1901, he published his doctoral thesis titled "Thèses sur les combinaisons organomagnesiennes mixtes et leur application à des synthèses d‘acides, d‘alcools et d‘hydrocarbures". He became a lecturer in organic chemistry at the University of Nancy in 1909, and was promoted to full professor in 1910. In 1912 he and Paul Sabatier (1854–1941) were awarded the Nobel Prize in Chemistry. During World War I he studied chemical warfare agents with Georges Urbain at Sorbonne University, particularly the manufacture of phosgene and the detection of mustard gas. In 1918, Grignard discovered that sodium iodide could be used as a battlefield test for mustard gas. Sodium iodide converts mustard gas to diiododiethyl sulfide, which crystallizes more easily than mustard gas. This test could detect as little as 0.01 gram of mustard gas in one cubic meter of air and was successfully used on the battlefield. His counterpart on the German side was another Nobel Prize–winning chemist, Fritz Haber.

Grignard died on 13 December 1935 in Lyon, at the age of 64. By that time, around 6,000 papers reporting applications of the Grignard reaction had been published.

Grignard reaction
Grignard is most noted for devising a new method for generating carbon-carbon bonds using magnesium to couple ketones and alkyl halides. This reaction is valuable in organic synthesis. It occurs in two steps:

 * 1) Formation of the "Grignard reagent", which is an organomagnesium compound made by the reaction of an organohalide, R-X (R = alkyl or aryl; and X is a halide, usually bromide or iodide) with magnesium metal. The Grignard reagent is usually described with the general chemical formula R-Mg-X, although its structure is more complex.
 * 2) Addition of the carbonyl, in which a ketone or an aldehyde is added to the solution containing the Grignard reagent. The carbon atom that is bonded to Mg transfers to the carbonyl carbon atom, and the oxygen of the carbonyl carbon becomes attached to the magnesium to give an alkoxide. The process is an example of a nucleophilic addition to a carbonyl. After the addition, the reaction mixture is treated with aqueous acid to give an alcohol, and the magnesium salts are subsequently discarded.

Military service
Grignard was drafted into the French military as part of obligatory military service in 1892. Within the two years of his first session of service he rose to the rank of corporal. He was demobilized in 1894 and returned to Lyon to pursue his education. He was awarded a medal of the Legion of Honour and made a Chevalier in 1912 after winning the Nobel Prize. When World War I broke out, Grignard was drafted back into the military, keeping his rank of corporal. He was placed on sentry duty, and served there for several months until he was brought to the attention of the General Staff. Grignard had been wearing his Medal of the Legion of Honour, despite being ordered to take it off by a superior. After looking more into Grignard, the General Staff decided that he would be better suited for research than sentry duty, so they assigned him to the explosives division. Grignard's research shifted to antidotes to chemical weapons when production of TNT was no longer sustainable, and eventually Grignard was assigned to research new chemical weapons for the French army.

Honors

 * 1912: Nobel Prize in Chemistry for his discovery of the Grignard reagent (shared the award with fellow Frenchman Paul Sabatier).
 * 1912: Lavoisier Medal, Société Chimique de France
 * 1933: Légion d'Honneur, Commander

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Keith Payne

Keith Payne, (born 30 August 1933) is a retired Australian soldier and a recipient of the Victoria Cross (VC), the highest decoration for gallantry "in the presence of the enemy" awarded to members of the British and Commonwealth armed forces. Payne's VC was awarded for his actions during the Vietnam War. Aged 90, he is the last living Australian recipient of the original Imperial Victoria Cross.

Early life
Keith Payne was born at Ingham, Queensland, on 30 August 1933, the son of Romilda (Millie) Hussey and Henry Thomas Payne. He attended Ingham State School and later became an apprentice cabinet-maker. Dissatisfied with working as a tradesman, Payne joined the Australian Regular Army in August 1951 and, after brief period in the Citizen Military Forces (CMF), was posted to the 2nd Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment (2RAR) and in the following year transferred to the 1st Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment (1RAR).

Military career
Payne served with his unit in the Korean War from April 1952 to March 1953. He married Florence Plaw, a member of the Women's Royal Australian Army Corps, in December 1954, and was promoted to corporal the following year. Payne served in Malaya with this unit and in 1965, now a sergeant, he joined the 5th Battalion. In June 1965, by now a warrant officer class II, Payne was a fieldcraft instructor on the staff of the Officer Training Unit, Scheyville, established to commission national servicemen. In February 1967 he was posted to Papua New Guinea, where he served with the 2nd Battalion, Pacific Islands Regiment. He remained there until March 1968 when he returned to Brisbane. On 24 February 1969 he was posted to the Australian Army Training Team Vietnam (AATTV).

In May 1969 Payne was commanding the 212th Company of the 1st Mobile Strike Force Battalion, when it was attacked by a strong People's Army of Vietnam force near Ben Het Camp. The company was isolated and, surrounded on three sides, its Vietnamese troops began to fall back. At this point shrapnel from a grenade burst struck Payne, lodging in his skull, arms and hands; under heavy fire, Payne covered the withdrawal before organising his troops into a defensive perimeter. Disregarding his own serious wounds, he then returned to the battlefield and spent a further three hours, frequently under fire, searching for any remaining members of his unit. Payne located about 40 of his men, most of them wounded; he assisted some of the wounded himself and organised assistance for others, before leading the party back to base through an area now dominated by enemy forces.

Payne's actions that night earned him the Victoria Cross (VC), which was gazetted on 19 September 1969. He was evacuated to Brisbane in September suffering from an illness, receiving a warm reception at the airport before entering hospital. In January 1970 Payne was posted to the Royal Military College, Duntroon as an instructor.

Payne received his VC from Queen Elizabeth II aboard the Royal Yacht Britannia in Brisbane on 13 April 1970. He was made a freeman of the city and of the shire in which his hometown was located. A park in Stafford, Brisbane, (where Payne lived) was also named after him. He also received the Distinguished Service Cross and the Silver Star from the United States of America and the Republic of Vietnam awarded Payne the Vietnam Gallantry Cross with Bronze Star.

Payne was later posted to the 42nd Battalion, Royal Queensland Regiment. He retired from the Australian Army in 1975, but saw further action as a captain with the Army of the Sultan of Oman against communist forces in the Dhofar War in 1975 and 1976.

Later life
Payne joined the Legion of Frontiersmen in 1975 and holds the rank of an Honorary Chief Commissioner. After returning to Australia, he became active in the veteran community, particularly in counselling sufferers of post-traumatic stress disorder.

Payne and his wife raised five sons and live in Mackay, Queensland. He was awarded the Medal of the Order of Australia (OAM) for his service to the veteran community in 2006, while Flo Payne was recognised with an OAM for her service to the community, particularly through surf lifesaving and veteran's families, in 2011.

Payne was interviewed for the 2006 television docudrama Victoria Cross Heroes, which also included archive footage and dramatisations of his actions.

In September 2012 Payne became a Patron of the Victoria Cross Trust. The mental health ward at Greenslopes Private Hospital in Brisbane is named the Keith Payne Unit (KPU), in his honour.

Payne was advanced to a Member of the Order of Australia in June 2015. The award recognised his "significant service to veterans and their families as an ambassador, patron and as an advocate for veterans' health and welfare".

Payne is a patron of Australians for Constitutional Monarchy. On 19 September 2022, he attended the state funeral of Queen Elizabeth II. He represented recipients of the Victoria Cross at the 2023 Coronation.

Honours and awards

 * Unit awards

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Frank Fahy (politician)

Francis Patrick Fahy (23 May 1879 – 12 July 1953) was an Irish Fianna Fáil politician who served as Ceann Comhairle of Dáil Éireann from 1932 to 1951. He served as a Teachta Dála (TD) from 1919 to his death in 1953.

He was a Teachta Dála (TD) for 35 years, first for Sinn Féin and later as a member of Fianna Fáil, before becoming Ceann Comhairle (chairman) for over 19 years.

Early life and revolutionary period
Fahy was born on 23 May 1879 in the townland of Glanatallin, Kilchreest, County Galway, the eldest of 6 children born to John Fahy and Maria Jones. His father taught at the local National School. After an early education at his father's school in Kilchreest, he attended Mungret College in County Limerick. He later studied at University College Galway. He earned a Bachelor of Arts and a H.Dip. in Education, and a Diploma in Science. From 1906 to 1921 he taught Latin, Irish and Science at Castleknock College (St Vincent's College), Dublin. Fahy qualified as a barrister in 1927 at King's Inns, Dublin and also taught at the Christian Brothers school in Tralee. He was at one time General Secretary of the Conradh na Gaeilge. He married Anna Barton of Tralee, a metal artist and member of the Cumann na mBan in 1908. They had no children.

As Company Captain of C Company, 1 Battalion, Dublin Brigade, Irish Volunteers, Fahy commanded the contingent that occupied the Four Courts during the 1916 rising. Arrested and sentenced to ten years in prison, he spent terms in several British jails. Released in the general amnesty of June 1917, he was active in the reorganisation of the Volunteer movement, addressing public meetings throughout the country. Fahy later applied to the Irish government for a service pension under the Military Service Pensions Act, 1934 and was awarded 5 and 1/6 years service in 1937 at Grade D for his service with the Irish Volunteers from 23 April 1916 to June 1917.

Political career
Fahy was first elected at the 1918 general election as a Sinn Féin Member of Parliament (MP) for Galway South, but as the party was pledged to abstentionism he did not take his seat in the British House of Commons and joined the revolutionary First Dáil. He was re-elected as TD for Galway in 1921 general election and having sided with the anti-treaty forces following the Anglo-Irish Treaty, he did not take his seat in either the 3rd Dáil or the 4th Dáil. He joined Fianna Fáil when the party was founded in 1926, and along with the 42 other Fianna Fáil TDs he took his seat in the 5th Dáil on 12 August 1927, three days before the Dáil tied 71 votes to 71 on a motion of no confidence in W. T. Cosgrave's Cumann na nGaedheal government (a tie broken by the Ceann Comhairle). After the government won two by-elections later that month, it dissolved the Dáil, leading to a fresh election.

After the September 1927 election, Cosgrave was able to form a minority government with the support of the Farmers' Party and some independent TDs. However, in the 1932 general election, Fianna Fáil won just under half of the seats and formed a government with the support of the Labour Party. The first business was of the 7th Dáil was the election of the Ceann Comhairle, and on 9 March 1932 Fahy was nominated for the position by Seán T. O'Kelly, winning the vote by a margin of 78 to 71.

He held the post until Fianna Fáil lost the 1951 election, and at the start of the 14th Dáil he did not offer himself for re-election as Ceann Comhairle. He was succeeded by the Labour TD Patrick Hogan. His 19 years in the chair remains the longest of any Ceann Comhairle, with the only other person to exceed 10 years as Ceann Comhairle being his successor, Patrick Hogan.

The 1932 election was the last which Fahy contested; as Ceann Comhairle, he was automatically re-elected at the next seven elections. When his Galway constituency was divided for the 1937 general election, he was returned unopposed for the new Galway East, and similarly in 1948 for the new Galway South constituency.

Fahy died on 12 July 1953, and is buried at Deans Grange Cemetery, Dublin. The Galway South by-election held after his death was won by the Fianna Fáil candidate Robert Lahiffe.

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Jerry Wilson

Jerry Wilson may refer to:

 * Jerry Wilson, founder of Soloflex
 * Jerry Wilson (ice hockey) (1937–2011), Canadian ice hockey forward
 * Jerry Wilson (defensive back) (born 1973), former American football safety
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 * Jerry Wilson (sailor), Canadian Olympian

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Anasteemaphilia was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE

This article was nominated for deletion back in August, and the consensus seemed to be to weakly keep it (see it's talk page). This is 4 months later and not only is this still a straight dicdef, but it is also nearly an exact copy of the Wiktionary article. Time to get rid of this.--Lucky13pjn 03:36, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: DCEdwards1966 04:20, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand. It's survived one VfD so earned it's place, now needs expansion, not deletion. Dan100 08:08, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, should someone find something encyclopaedic be said on the matter it can be recreated. --fvw *  08:15, 2004 Dec 20 (UTC)
 * Delete. --Viriditas | Talk 12:47, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete - it's a dictionary definition, nothing more. Cdc 17:20, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. There is no point in the senseless destruction of this factually valid stub. [[User:GRider|GRider\talk]] 17:42, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Sounds interesting, could be a good article but... if no ones expend it in 4 months what's the point ? Gtabary 17:47, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Comment. I'd love to see the statistics page that shows the likelihood of articles being expanded after 4 months of non-editing. It seems to me that immediatism is in dire need of some facts to back it up anyway. 82.92.119.11 22:18, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: not an article. Wile E. Heresiarch 00:17, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, let it learn to stand tall on its own. Wyss 00:26, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * What this needed was a category. I've placed it in Category:Paraphilia, where it is just as fitting as any other member, and also properly labelled it a substub. It's now entirely likely to be taken up and expanded. Please keep. Samaritan 06:04, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. The article has been given enough time to expand. It's just a copy of wiktionary article. And as said, it can always be recreated. utcursch 07:26, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. - 81.70.91.207 09:54, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect to Wiktionary article. Alphax (talk) 04:31, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)
 * The grace period is up. It's still a mere dicdef.  It's already in Wiktionary.  Delete.  Rossami (talk) 04:41, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect --Melaen 15:03, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete If there is something to write about this then someone can create a new article then. Paul August ☎ 03:14, Dec 25, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. What Rossami said.  SWAdair | Talk  08:33, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Can be expanded. --Sarcasticninja 06:27, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)

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Mangotsfield

Mangotsfield is a village and former civil parish in the unitary authority area of South Gloucestershire, in the ceremonial county of Gloucestershire, England, to the north-east of Bristol.

The village was mentioned in the Domesday Book in 1086 as Manegodesfelle, and as Manegodesfeld in 1377.

Between 1845 and 1966 the village was served by Mangotsfield railway station.

Parish
Until the 19th century Mangotsfield was the principal settlement in a large ancient parish, which also included the hamlets of Downend and Staple Hill to the west of the village, and Emersons Green, Vinny Green, Blackhorse and Moorend to the north. The parish became the civil parish of Mangotsfield in 1866.

In the early 20th century Downend and Staple Hill were developed into suburbs of Bristol and outgrew the village of Mangotsfield. In 1921 the parish had a population of 10,720. In 1927 the civil parish was abolished and divided into two. Downend, Staple Hill and Mangotsfield village became Mangotsfield Urban District (and the civil parish of Mangotsfield Urban), and the rural eastern parts of the parish became the new civil parish of Mangotsfield Rural. Mangotsfield Urban District was itself abolished in 1974 and became part of Kingswood Borough in the new county of Avon. When Avon was abolished in 1996 the whole of Kingswood Borough joined South Gloucestershire. The civil parish of Mangotsfield Rural continued until 2015, when it was renamed Emersons Green.

Church
The parish church of St James dates from the 13th century, but was rebuilt and altered in the 19th century. It is a Grade II* listed building.

Sport and leisure
Mangotsfield is the home of Mangotsfield United F.C. and Cleve R.F.C. Rodway Hill is a favourite spot for dog walkers and the starting point of many pigeon races.

Education and schools
There is one secondary school in Mangotsfield: Mangotsfield School (A Specialist College in Engineering and Science).

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DigiPen Institute of Technology

DigiPen Institute of Technology is a private for-profit university in Redmond, Washington. It also has campuses in Singapore and Bilbao, Spain. DigiPen offers bachelor's and master's degree programs. It also offers summer programs for students in grades K-12, online courses, and year-long high school programs.

History
In 1988, DigiPen was founded by Claude Comair in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada as a research and development institute for computer science and animation. Comair continues to be the President and CEO to the present day.

In 1990, DigiPen began offering its first dedicated educational program in the subject of 3D computer animation through the Vancouver Film School.

In 1990, DigiPen began offering a 3D animation program and began collaborating with Nintendo of America to create a post-secondary program for video game programming. With Nintendo's support, DigiPen Applied Computer Graphics School accepted its first class of video game programming students in 1994.

In 1996, the Washington State Higher Education Coordinating Board (HECB) granted DigiPen the authorization to award degree programs in the United States. DigiPen's first offered degree program was the Bachelor of Science in Real-Time Interactive Simulation.

In 1998, DigiPen Institute of Technology opened its campus in Redmond, Washington as a joint campus between DigiPen and Nintendo Software Technology. Redmond became DigiPen's home.

In 2002, DigiPen received national accreditation from the ACCSC. DigiPen began offering its first Masters program, a Masters of Science in Computer Science. DigiPen graduated its last classes in its Associate programs, and only offered Undergraduate and Postgraduate programs.

In 2008, DigiPen Institute of Technology opened its campus in Singapore in conjunction with Singapore's Economic Development Board. Also in 2008, DigiPen's Research & Development arm created an artificial intelligence system regarding human behavioral modeling and simulation, titled B-HIVE, for Boeing and their Phantom Works division. B-HIVE and its associated patents were commended as Boeing's "Supplier Technology of the Year" in 2008.

In 2010, DigiPen relocated its main campus to an independent location, still in Redmond, Washington. DigiPen Institute of Technology Singapore joined the public university Singapore Institute of Technology.

In 2011, DigiPen Institute of Technology opened its campus in the Greater Bilbao area, in the municipality of Zierbena.

In 2015, DigiPen's Singapore campus moved to the Singapore Polytechnic campus, while Singapore Institute of Technology’s joint campus began development. DigiPen's Bachelor of Science in Computer Engineering received ABET accreditation.

Redmond, Washington, United States
DigiPen's main campus is located in Redmond on 9931 Willows Road. It offers 9 undergraduate and 2 postgraduate degree programs. It has approximately 1200 full-time students with a faculty-to-student ratio of 1:11 and an average class size of 22. International students make up 13% of the total student population. 24% of students are women. There are approximately 50 student run organizations on campus. King County is the home to a significant number of technology and game development companies.

Singapore
DigiPen's Singapore campus is DigiPen's first international campus since its establishment in the United States. DigiPen opened its Singapore campus in conjunction with Singapore's Economic Development Board in 2008. Currently, DigiPen operates as an Overseas University Affiliate (Third Party Education Service Provider) for the public university Singapore Institute of Technology. Therefore, DigiPen's Singapore campus arranges courses for the students of Singapore Institute of Technology only, and does not enroll students directly or issue undergraduate certificates independently. DigiPen's Singapore campus offers 5 undergraduate degree programs, including a Bachelor of Engineering with Honours in Systems Engineering (ElectroMechanical Systems) which is not offered in any other campus. Moreover, this campus regularly offers Specialist Diploma Programs (unaccredited) jointly with Workforce Singapore. DigiPen's Singapore campus has approximately 900 full-time students from Singapore Institute of Technology.

Bilbao, Spain
DigiPen's Europe campus is located in Ribera de Zorrotzaurre, 2 in the city of Bilbao. It offers 2 undergraduate degree programs, with approximately 200 full-time students.

International university partnerships

 * Keimyung University in Daegu, South Korea and DigiPen Institute of Technology have a collaboration where students local to South Korea have the option to spend a program's first 5 semesters in Daegu, taught by DigiPen Faculty members, and the remaining semesters in Redmond.
 * Thammasat University in Bangkok, Thailand and DigiPen Institute of Technology have a collaboration where students local to Thailand have the option to spend a program's first 2-4 semesters in Bangkok and the remaining semesters in Redmond.

Primary educational paths

 * 1) CS - Standard computer science education with emphasis on high performance programming.
 * 2) RTIS – Real Time Interactive Simulation (core game engine architecture and programming)
 * 3) GD – Game Design (gameplay architecture, programming and scripting)
 * 4) FA – Fine Arts (digital art and animation).
 * 5) E – Engineering (computer hardware, and software architecture)
 * 6) MSD – Music and Sound Design
 * 7) DA – Digital Audio

Accreditation
DigiPen is accredited by the Accrediting Commission of Career Schools and Colleges. DigiPen's Bachelor of Science in Computer Science in Real-Time Interactive Simulation and Bachelor of Science in Computer Engineering are accredited by the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology.

Research and development
DigiPen Research & Development performs research for The Boeing Company and has received the commendations of Boeing Supplier of the Year Award in Technology in 2008 and Boeing Performance Excellence Award in 2008, 2013, and 2014. DigiPen has a professional relationship with Phantom Works and BR&T.

DigiPen Research & Development is active in the research in Formula 1 and INDYCAR, and is technical sponsor of Renault F1 (2008–present) and Andretti Autosport (2015–present).

Criticism

 * DigiPen has been criticized for asserting ownership over the copyright of work performed by their students.
 * In a 2021 video entitled "DigiPen: The College That Teaches Crunch Culture", gaming journalist and YouTuber Jim Sterling, citing a series of anonymous interviews they had conducted with former DigiPen students, accused the school of conditioning students into the crunch culture of the larger video game industry and criticized practices such as overburdening students with impossible workloads and class requirements, failure to communicate grades and academic standing with students, and hiring and maintaining professors with outdated industry experience who reportedly engaged in yelling, intimidation, and other abusive behavior towards students. According to Sterling, DigiPen was reached out to for comment a week before the video's release and did not respond.

Rankings

 * In 2015, Business Insider published a list of the 50 best computer science and engineering schools in USA in which DigiPen was ranked 50th. In that same year, the Princeton Review ranked DigiPen No. 3 on its annual list of "Top 25 Undergraduate Schools to Study Game Design," as well as No. 5 on its list of "Top 25 Graduate Schools to Study Game Design".
 * In 2019, Animation Career Review ranked DigiPen as the sixth best Video Game University in the United States. In that same year, Princeton Review ranked DigiPen No.4 on its annual list of "Top 50 Undergraduate Schools to Study Game Design", as well as No. 6 on its list of "Top 25 Graduate Schools to Study Game Design".
 * DigiPen consistently ranked as a top US undergraduate school to study Game Design in Princeton Review and Animation Career Review since 2010 and 2015 respectively. However, excluding The Business Insider in 2015, no other ranking (such as Times Higher Education World University Rankings 2019 for computer science ) in the later years ranked DigiPen as a Computer Science and Engineering School.

Notable faculty

 * Ellen Beeman – fantasy and science fiction author, television screenwriter, and computer game designer/producer Beeman is a Senior Lecturer of Game Software Design and Production at DigiPen.
 * Mike Pondsmith – roleplaying, board, and video game designer

Notable alumni

 * Nate Martin – "Founding Father of Escape Rooms", co-founder and CEO of Puzzle Break
 * Kim Swift – designer on the Portal team
 * Aubrey Edwards – video game developer and professional wrestling referee
 * Jon Everist – video game composer and audio designer for BattleTech, Necropolis, and Shadowrun: Hong Kong
 * Howard Wang – voice actor

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The page that you created (previously located at ) has been deleted. If you were trying to perform a test, it worked. However, for the future, it would be appreciated if you would perform all tests at Sandbox. If you want to test creating new pages, please use test.wikipedia. Please do not continue to create test pages outside of the test wikipedia, or it may be percieved as vandalism. If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a note on my talk page.

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Elizabeth Simcoe

Dame Elizabeth Posthuma Simcoe (22 September 1762 – 17 January 1850) was an English artist and diarist in colonial Canada. Her husband, John Graves Simcoe, was the first Lieutenant Governor of Upper Canada. Her diary gives an account of Canadian life.

Biography
She was born Elizabeth Posthuma Gwillim to Lt Col. Thomas Gwillim and Elizabeth Spinckes in the village of Aldwincle, Northamptonshire, England. Her father died before her birth and her mother shortly afterwards. After her baptism, on the same day as her mother's burial, she was taken into the care of her mother's younger sister, Margaret. In commemoration of her posthumous birth, Elizabeth was given the middle name Posthuma. Her aunt and adoptive mother, Margaret, married Admiral Samuel Graves on 14 June 1769 and Elizabeth grew up at Graves's estate, Hembury Fort near Honiton in Devon. Gwillim was one of a group of friends that included Mary Anne Burges in Honiton.

On 30 December 1782, Elizabeth married John Graves Simcoe, Admiral Graves's godson. Between the years 1784 and 1804, they had eleven children, among them Francis Simcoe, after whom they named Castle Frank. Nine survived to adulthood; Katherine, their only child to be born in Upper Canada, and John Cornwall Simcoe died in infancy. Katherine is buried at Fort York Garrison.

Elizabeth was a wealthy heiress, who acquired a 5,000-acre (2025 ha) estate near Honiton, Devon, and built Wolford Lodge, which remained the Simcoe family seat until 1923. She is buried at Wolford Chapel.

Legacy
Elizabeth Simcoe's diary provides a valuable impression of life in colonial Ontario. First published in 1911, there was a subsequent transcription published in 1965 and a paperback version at the turn of the 21st century, over 200 years after she wrote it. She also left a series of 595 watercolours that depict the town of York, Upper Canada. She proposed the naming of Scarborough Township, an eastern Toronto district, after Scarborough, North Yorkshire. The townships of North, East and West Gwillimbury, just south of Lake Simcoe, Ontario, are also named after her family. The Township of Whitchurch, today the town of Whitchurch–Stouffville, Ontario, honours her ancestral home, Whitchurch, Herefordshire.

In December 2007, a statue of Elizabeth Gwillim Simcoe was raised in the town of Bradford West Gwillimbury, when it commemorated the 150th anniversary of its incorporation. The statue stands in a small park in front of the Bradford post office, at the corner of John Street West and Barrie Street.

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Talk:2004 Summer Olympics medal table

After Day 5:
COUNTRY       GOLD    SILVER  BRONZE  FOURTH  FIFTH   SIXTH   SEVENTH EIGHT   TOTAL USA		10	10	10	8	2	3	5	5	53 Germany	2	2	5	2	8	11	5	5	40 China PR	11	7	4	5	1	3	3	4	38 Australia	6	4	6	6	4	3	5	4	38 Russia		3	6	6	3	4	4	4	2	32 France		4	2	4	2	6	1	9	1	29 Japan		8	3	2	1	2	2	1	3	22 Great Britain	0	2	2	4	5	2	4	3	22 Italy		3	4	2	2	4	0	3	2	20 Korea		1	4	3	2	3	1	5	1	20 Roumania	2	0	1	3	4	1	2	2	15 Greece		2	0	1	0	1	1	3	6	14 Spain		0	1	0	1	6	1	4	1	14 Ukraine	5	1	1	2	1	0	2	1	13 Hungary	1	2	1	4	0	2	1	1	12 Belarus	0	1	1	2	2	4	1	0	11 Netherlands	2	3	4	0	0	1	0	0	10 Poland		1	2	1	2	2	0	2	0	10 Korea DPR	0	2	1	0	0	2	2	1	8 Canada		0	0	1	0	3	3	1	0	8 Cuba		0	1	4	1	0	0	0	1	7 Bulgaria	1	0	2	1	0	1	1	0	6 India		0	1	0	1	1	0	1	2	6 Slovakia	1	2	1	0	0	1	0	0	5 Georgia	1	1	0	0	1	0	1	1	5 Czech Rep.	0	1	1	0	3	0	0	0	5 Azerbaijan	0	0	1	1	1	0	1	1	5 Turkey		2	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	4 Switzerland	1	0	1	0	0	1	1	0	4 Portugal	0	2	0	0	0	0	2	0	4 Indonesia	0	1	0	0	0	1	0	2	4 Brazil		0	0	2	0	1	0	1	0	4 Argentina	0	0	1	0	1	0	2	0	4 Denmark	0	0	1	0	0	1	1	1	4 Kazakhstan	0	0	0	0	2	2	0	0	4 Sweden	       0	0	0	0	1	0	1	2	4 South Africa	1	1	0	1	0	0	0	0	3 Thailand	1	0	2	0	0	0	0	0	3 Belgium	0	0	2	0	1	0	0	0	3 Slovenia	0	0	1	0	1	1	0	0	3 Colombia	0	0	1	0	1	0	0	1	3 Armenia	0	0	0	1	1	0	1	0	3 Algeria	0	0	0	0	1	0	2	0	3 New Zealand	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	2	3 UAE		1	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	2 Austria	0	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	2 Zimbabwe	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	2 Croatia	0	0	1	0	0	1	0	0	2 Mongolia	0	0	1	0	0	1	0	0	2 Tunisia	0	0	0	1	1	0	0	0	2 Venezuela	0	0	0	1	0	1	0	0	2 Mexico	       0	0	0	0	2	0	0	0	2 Kuwait		0	0	0	0	0	1	0	1	2 Chinese Tpe. 0	0	0	0	0	0	1	1	2 Serbia-Mont. 0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	1 Myanmar	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	1 Cameroon	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	1 Iran IR	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	1 Moldova Rep.	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	1 Luxembourg	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	1 Vietnam	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	1 Papua NG	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	1 Ecuador	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	1 San Marino	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	1 Nauru		0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	1 Nigeria	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	1 Turkmenistan	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	1 TOTALS	       70	70	80	60	80	60	80	60	560 I'm having troubles keeping this table consistent with the official restults, and It's very difficult to find out where my errors are, so instead I will do a chart like this for each sport, and then make totals afterwards. Earl Andrew 03:58, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Result of Concensus Vote (see below for details) It appears that although few of us here, 'Style B is the preferred option. I would suggest that as we work on a page we amend the medal table thus. I will amend the 2004 Summer Olympics medal count and mention this result. Many thanks for your help in this. Scraggy4 23:42, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks for putting the discussion up. May I suggest that people do *not* update from individual events, but always use published medal tables to source the WP one; in that way it will be clear whether there is a change ro not as numbers will always go upwards and over-lapping results won't be an issue. --[[User:VampWillow|VampWillow]] 23:46, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

discussion was:

After discussions with a few of you I think that we require a vote of the style to adopt for medal tables.

I would suggest that we keep this vote open until 23:30 UTC to enable people to examine the styles and comprehend the pro's and con's.

Please note that the style difference referred to in this discussion is the SORT ORDER ONLY and not the use of flags, etc. which will continue to be used

The current different style/s will cause confusion so we have a choice between: Style A This appears to be the preferred American style???

Style B As used on all other Wiki Summer Olympic Games and IAAF World Championships in Athletics pages as well as by the IOC, IAAF and BBC.

or

Style C this could be used to give points to each placing ie; 8 points for 1st down to 1 point for 8th. This could cause problems in events where eighth place is not clearly defined.

If two tables would be desirable they a second could be used as an additional table at the bottom of each events individual page.

Please Vote Here
by adding your user signature under support

The vote is over, Style B was chosen.

Style A
 * support
 * support, with population and possibly the number of athletes in columns to the right. Other than that, it's pretty much the same as style B, but with more color and a cleaner appearance. [[User:supadawg|supadawg - talk - contribs]] 22:49, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * FYI they aren't the same: the sort order is entirely different! [[User:VampWillow|VampWillow]]

Style B
 * support
 * follows IOC and most reporting standards [[User:VampWillow|VampWillow]] 22:40, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Scraggy4 22:45, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC) as Willow says
 * Earl Andrew 23:17, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC) Although I want to see style C on the actual sports pages. We can have just a 4th place and a "5-8" column for sports like Fencing who dont have matches to determine the 5th through 8th spots.
 * Definitely the international norm. Moriori 23:23, Aug 14, 2004 (UTC)
 * My vote is B. Zfr 23:59, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * B. Golbez 08:26, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Johnleemk | Talk 15:12, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * B. I've been inadvertently using this style when updating medal tables from 1948-1960 and beyond Chuq 23:03, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Style C support

Two Separate Styles pleas give 2 preferences A & B, C & A etc.
 * support

Scraggy4 22:34, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I cannot see why the medal table is being ranked by the number of medals unless this is just an american thing as the IOC, IAAF and the british always rank by the number of golds then silvers then bronzes. It seems that it has just been done to make the USA appear on top??? anybody have any other reasons for it being this way?? Scraggy4 18:30, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Well, actually there are several. First, to correct a common assumption: the "rank by medals" format is not unique to Americans. Although the format is commonplace in most American media outlets (such as Yahoo!, and NBC, which broadcasts the Olympic games in the United States), the Canadian media also use the rank by medals system and the IOC has compromised by including BOTH listings on their official results page (see athens2004.com: ).

 * Let's take the Americans out of the equation for a moment, since they are often only too controversial. Suppose Russia had 0 gold, 0 silver, and 20 bronze, and Spain had 1 gold, 0 silver, and 0 bronze. In the "rank by gold" method, Spain would be ranked above Russia. But is that really fair? In this situation, which country has the better athletes? You can see the downside of ranking by gold---twenty quality athletes in twenty different events is overshadowed by one athlete who ranked highest in one event. The system misleads.

 * But this anomaly works both ways. Let's change our hypothetical situation a bit---Russia still has 0 gold, 0 silver, and 20 bronze. But Spain has 19 gold, 0 silver, and 0 bronze. If we were to use the "rank by total" method, Russia would be on top---but is THAT fair? All good athletes, but one bronze winner in a set of twenty others overshadowed 19 highest-ranking gold medalists. Clearly, Spain has the better athletes in this situation but this system also misleads.

 * So the compromise is, (a) mimicing the IOC and using BOTH rankings, OR (my preference) (b) assigning point values to the medals and calculating a composite value for rank purposes. Each gold medal would be worth 3 points, silver 2 points, and bronze 1. Using this method, in our first hypothetical situation Russia would have 20 points and Spain 3 points---giving Russia the rightfully higher rank. And in our second hypothetical situation whereas Russia would have 20 points---Spain would have 57; giving Spain the rightfully higher rank.

 * Ultimately, the rank by points system is fairer, but if I had to pick between rank by gold or rank by total I would go with rank by total because it takes into account all three medals (gold, silver, bronze) whereas the rank by gold system takes ONLY gold medals into account. And why give silver and bronze medals out if it doesn't count towards your country's ranking? Just my two cents.--Allfacts 01:01, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Ledger
We can't possibly keep this thing straight without an accounting of what each medal is for (perhaps right here on the talk page. For example, I just saw women's synchronized diving on NBC, doubtless much delayed (and I delayed it a little more), where Australia came away with a bronze (which isn't counted yet).  China got gold and Russia got silver, but I can't tell if those have already been counted.  -- ke4roh 19:21, Aug 14, 2004 (UTC)

 * This is quite difficult, agree. One solution would be to warn on top of the page that each time somebody up-dates the table, he/she has to include the sport and discipline in the comment box, so it is clearly visible in the history.
 * The other option is to refer to an outside source. I have experienced that Yahoo! is fairly quick in up-dating their medal count. A user should check the table at the end of each day and compare. Looks like Scraggy4 allready volunteered for it :). But maybe a US user could take care of that as well, since it would be easier accross the time zones. Yardcock 20:20, Aug 14, 2004 (UTC)

Personally, I will just check it at the end of everyday and fill in / correct anything that is missing. The only other way would be for the page tp be protected by an admin and let them only update it??? Still really confused as to why the table is being ranked the way it is. There is no sense i it at all unless we are to have 2 tables one done correctly and one done the way it is now.Scraggy4 19:27, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * I tried to explain it a bit on the main page. Not sure why Americans do it this way, had me confused for the longest time, until I just simply accepted it. We could tally twice, or just rely on our German friends. Looks like they are updating it quite frequently as well. Yardcock 20:20, Aug 14, 2004 (UTC)
 * It doesn't really matter what the American standard is as I thought that Wiki tried to use international standards where possible. As the IOC and IAAF use the gold medal system surely this can be classed as the international standard. If they would like to put their side of the argument perhaps we could come to some concensus. As it is they won't discuss the matter so the only choic left would is to revert to the IOC / IAAF standard at the end of the day when play for the day has finished.Scraggy4 20:39, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * On the official site you can see in which disciplines a country won its medals. That might be useful, maybe even something to add here (lot of work though) David Sneek 11:57, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * I agree, this would be very usefull. Just very tedious as long as the games are in process. Should be added after the games are over. Yardcock 16:14, Aug 18, 2004 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you lot mean by "international standard", as there isn't one. The official Athens 2004 site uses both counts: http://www.athens2004.com/en/OlympicMedals/medals --Delirium 16:10, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

 * Well it appears that the table is ordered by Gold/Silver/Bronze count and the total medals count ranking is just there for illustrative purposes. Perhaps this is what we should be doing also. Mintguy (T)

copied from User talk:Scraggy4 & User talk:Earl Andrew
Hi Andrew,

I see that you are also using the medal tables ranking by number of medals. I have mentioned my thoughts on this at Talk:2004 Summer Olympics medal count. In nearly all other cases wiki goes by set international standards and as both the IOC and IAAF use the number of gold medals as their ranking why on earth are we doing different. Nearly all the wiki standards use internationally used standards and I would presume the IOC and IAAF standards would be classed as international. All of the other Olympic medal tables go by this guide so we would need to amend them all if this (silly) ranking system that we are using continues. As you are one of the main contributers to the olympic pages I thought I would try and bring you onto my point of view.Scraggy4 20:03, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I accept the usage of the medal rankings for gold medals as being the order for the official medal table. BUT, for specific events I plan to include results gold to 8th place, and i feel that we might get a better idea of what nations are good at that sport by having it go by order of how many top 8 performances that country has. However, if this is totally unacceptable, than I will concede. However, please let me know your decision soon or i will continue to keep on doing it. Earl Andrew 21:10, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the reply Andrew, I did notice on the athletics for example that space had been made for upto eigth place. I don't think that this will harm the medal tables reverting to the standard usage as these extra places would not be taken into consideration in the ranking normally. I think that the best idea would be to revert to IOC standards at the end of today when all results have been completed and checked, then possibly create a separate page(linked from the main medal table) rating all countries by the top eight finishes as I agree this would make interesting details. I presume you will rank upto eigth place using the system that the IAAF use in the World and continental cups ie; 8 points for 1st down to 1 point for eigth. I had already decided, as there was lack of suggestions as to why the currebt system is as is, to revert all the tables at the end of the today. If you feel like helping I am more than willing to split the sports up between us for speed, but I'll probably be awake most of the night to do it, as I have broken my ankle and am finding it hard to sleep at the moment.Scraggy4 21:43, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Ok, here's the deal. Show me an example of what you think the medal tables on each sport page should look like, and I will use that. It's best we have a standard for these things. I updated the diving medals, so we have one option (what I did for the shooting events) or the other option (what I did for the diving) and another option using the points method. At the end of the games we could add a 4th-8th place columns which would be interesting! Dividing up the sports might be a good idea, I think other people might be interested as well, there are just too many sports and events for just one person to do! Earl Andrew 21:58, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * I think that the standard ones should look like Cycling at the 2004 Summer Olympics and then either create one page for each sport showing the alternative as you did on the Shooting at the 2004 Summer Olympics before somebody changed it, or one overall page in that style linked from the 2004 Summer Olympics page.Scraggy4 22:09, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Note, I've already changed the Cycling page. Earl Andrew 22:25, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Inconsistent medal count tables (copied from Talk:2004 Summer Olympics
Several pages have a table of medal counts. However, there are at least two different sort orders being used: sort by gold medals as in 2002 Winter Olympics, and sort by total medals as in this article. Of those two methods, I would have thought that sort by total medals is better for a table that lists all medals. You might even argue that total performance requires some form of weighting by points with 3 points for a gold, 2 for a silver and 1 for a bronze.

Finally, any ranking that does not account for population size is not very meaningful. It is misleading as a measure of national success, except to send out the message that countries with large populations are better than countries with small populations. Switzerland and Finland have few people, so will always be low on a medal total or gold total list. But they rank very highly on a population/medal table. It would be difficult to have accurate measures of population for countries all the way back to 1908. If the table cannot be sorted by population/medal, then perhaps it should simply be alphabetical.

Whilst people are debating that issue, I propose that the two current sort orders are reduced to one. I recommend that tables that are sorted by gold medals should be resorted by total medals. Bobblewik 19:36, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

See also Talk:2004 Summer Olympics medal count. -- ke4roh 19:52, Aug 14, 2004 (UTC)

 * Would it be better if the country's population (and possibly number of athletes) was included in another column of the table? Kind of like this:

Just say yes and I'd be happy to do it. [[User:supadawg|supadawg - talk - contribs]] 21:57, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I think it would be interesting to have the number of athletes participating listed in the table. As far as sorting, I think sorting by total medals, using whoever has the most golds to break a tie, and alphabetical listing where that still results in a tie works fine. Kairos 22:04, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

This is an international wiki, just like the games themselves, and the widest table useage is for golds then silvers then bronzes. Whilst it may be nice to have full results for a given sport it isn't the reason for having a table and shouldn't (imho) override the need for clarity. So far as Switzerland and Finland have few people, so will always be low on a medal total or gold total list. is concerned, look at the number of people in Australia! Population size is not what the Olympics are about, nor should the tables be. More to the point, it is the reason for sorting on golds first - it doesn't matter where the best comes from when they are the best. --[[User:VampWillow|VampWillow]] 22:43, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * VampWillow, wouldn't it be clearer if the table included the number of athletes? Population size definitely isn't what the Olympics are about, but it would present a clearer picture if the number of medalists could be compared to the number of athletes.  Bobblewik's above post explains it better.  Best, [[User:supadawg|supadawg - talk - contribs]] 23:04, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * I think that you are correct in saying that the number of athletes attending the games, and maybe population too, are useful reference information to tabulate alongside the medals table. I do feel though that to mix the two things -- one of which will change through each day -- will complicate the updating of the table and lead to errors. A second table will be more useful in that respect. FYI I was using the BBC's table here as my source for the medal count. --[[User:VampWillow|VampWillow]] 23:14, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * I was glad to be told that a discussion is going on here. Between the two options of sort by gold and sort by number of all medals medals, I suggested sort by number of all medals but if the IOC uses sort by gold then that is an interesting counter argument. I am happy to accept whatever is the consensus.

 * Population size is relevant to national achievement. Here is an interesting quote:
 * http://sport.guardian.co.uk/olympics2004/story/0,14912,1280609,00.html
 * Scandinavians stand the best chance of securing Olympic glory but if you happen to be from America, Turkey or Portugal then brace yourself for disappointment. With two days before the start of the Athens Olympic games, athletes have been told that the size of their country's population could have a massive impact on their chances of winning a medal.

 * A survey carried out by a credit card company examining the number of Olympic medals won by each country and the size of its population has found that Finland is the world's most successful Olympic nation with 14,976 people for each medal won. The Finns are followed by Sweden, with 16,411 people for each medal won and Norway with 29,414 people for each medal. Greece ranked 10th in the survey registering 212,326 people for each medal won.

 * The survey by Visa Europe looked at the performance of 12 countries in every Olympic games since 1908, linking its medals count to the average size of its population. Britain came seventh overall in the survey with 87,979 people to a medal meaning that those born in Finland are five times more likely to win either gold, silver or bronze. America finished ninth with 110,524 people for each medal . Portugal was 11th at 484,543 people per medal and Turkeyranked last at 588,936 citizens per medal.

 * If anyone has access to that survey, please post it here.

 * Yes, I certainly think it is a good idea to list population in the table as shown in the example table above. I might even be willing to provide a second table sorted by population/medal.

 * However, I would not vote for the standard table having the number of athletes. But if somebody wants to provide such data, I would not object. I think such information is less meaningful than it might appear. I would rather use the extra column to show population/medal.
 * Bobblewik 14:32, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * By way of support for the idea of listing population, the 2000 Summer Olympics page has a "people/medal" column which illustrates the population, although this may be cumbersome to calculate until the games are completed. Kjd 12:30, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Yes. As you say, it makes sense to calculate people/medal when medal values have stopped changing. However, population figures could be added at any time.
 * Bobblewik 11:44, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * There are a variety of data sources for population. The UN provides data for member states from 1950 onwards in 5 year intervals. It is available at:
 * http://esa.un.org/unpp/index.asp?panel=1
 * For simplicity, it might make sense to use the population value equal to, or preceding, the year of the games. Thus the 1950 value for the 1952 games, and the 2000 value for the 2000 games. Has anyone got any other good sources?
 * Bobblewik 15:37, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * You will see that I have started adding population values from http://esa.un.org/unpp/index.asp?panel=1
 * Bobblewik 11:54, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

updating of main medal table
As Willow and others suggested it would be a good idea to only update the main medal table from an outside source. I believe this would be a good solution as it will become increasingly more difficult as the games progress. Personally I would suggest the BBC site as I feel the majority of people would class this as a reliable source. I have noticed today that they keep their results up to date much quicker than the official Athens 2004 website. Would people be happy for me to enter this as an instruction on the medal page?? Scraggy4 00:04, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Could the equals signs be taken off, please? For no other reason than it looks ugly and unprofessional.  Thanks.  [[User:supadawg|supadawg - [[Image:Bulldog.jpg|30px]] - contribs]] 00:10, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Agree with you about the "=" not being needed (so long as people get the sequence right -- had to correct it earlier! -- and as that is the same source I referred to above would agree with its use. --[[User:VampWillow|VampWillow]] 00:14, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Great, thanks. By the way, now that I'm rereading this whole page, I realize that the BBC version probably is better for our purposes.  I seem to have been making a lot of stupid mistakes the past few days.  Oh well.  [[User:supadawg|supadawg - [[Image:Bulldog.jpg|30px]] - contribs]] 00:22, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Since it is Wikipedia convention not to have editing instructions publicly visible on the main article page, I used "" codes so that they are only visible to those actually editing the page. Davodd 10:52, Aug 17, 2004 (UTC)

Korea
I was just browsing the table, and notice that you have an entry and flag for Korea, Democratic People's Republic of, i.e. North Korea. This is incorrect -- there is a single team representing both the North and the South, though I don't suppose Wikipedia will have a graphic of the appropriate flag (white, with a map of all Korea in blue)! -- Arwel 11:12, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Although they marched under one flag it appears that they are competing as separate countries. If you look at any of the events on the Official Athens 2004 website they are listed separately as PRK or KOR with the appropriate national flag of either north or south korea next to them. The BBC Medal Table also gives them as competing separately.Scraggy4 11:42, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * We do have the flag, or at least a variation thereof: Unification Flag. -- Kaihsu 09:01, 2004 Aug 25 (UTC)

 * Which is good news, but there's no need to add it anywhere on this article (although perhaps linking to it from articles which make reference to "Both Koreas entered the stadium under the one flag..." would be a good idea) since the People's Republic of Korea and the ordinary Republic of Korea are competing separately. BigHaz 09:43, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * That's the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, if you will! -- Arwel 10:38, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * DPRK and ROK athletes compete separately and thus effectively count as 2 teams except for the purpose of the opening ceremony.  However, which flag is raised when someone from one of the teams wins a gold medal?  Is it the Unification Flag or the state flag?  I suspect it is the latter, but if it is the former, we should change the flags here too.  -- Kaihsu 10:55, 2004 Aug 25 (UTC)

 * The appropriate state flag is raised. Austin Hair 11:10, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)

China (PRC)
Does anyone else reckon they are getting two bites of the cherry by having Hong Kong (Special Administrative Regions) competing alonside the rest of the PRC despite their now being the single country? --[[User:VampWillow|VampWillow]] 18:14, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * You're quite right Willow, Great Britain has the same kind of problem in that we cannot enter a football team for the Olympics as the football associations will not make a Great Britain team in case this leads to FIFA amalgamating the Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England teams for all tournaments.Scraggy4 21:33, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * What is wrong with having a UK football team? It would be better than any of the current teams.
 * Bobblewik 22:24, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * a) the Eng, Scot, Wal, and (N) Irish FAs pre-date FIFA, being the first four ever created, therefore they have grandfather rights, particularly as in the International FA Board which controls the Laws of the Game they collectively equal the entire rest of the world in voting rights.
 * b) an all-UK team would inevitably be almost entirely England writ large, and the rest of us wouldn't stand for it! -- Arwel 23:33, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

An interesting note, during the opening ceremonies, Hong Kong (last to enter before Greece), was officially announced as Hong Kong, China. This is the unique case of announcements, seeing we did not hear any other dependencies or self-governing territories associated with their country's name. Is there any significance or explanation to this? Another interesting thing: During the 2002 Jeux de la Francaphone, Canada had three separate teams: Canada, Quebec and New Brunswick. [[User:Colipon|Colipon -- (Talk)]] 03:33, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * I have no official source for this, but I assume that this must be a consequence of the agreement signed between China and the United Kingdom for the return of Hong Kong to Chinese sovereignty in 1997. Under the terms of that treaty, China agreed to preserve a number of aspects of that territory's autonomy for a period of 50 years.  I gather that autonomous participation in major sporting events such as the Olympic Games fall under the terms of that treaty.  Since Hong Kong is, however, a part of China, it was probably mandatory that it was officially called "Hong Kong, China".  As a matter of fact, it is possible that the only reason we did not see it happen in Sydney is that no athlete from Hong Kong qualified to compete there. Redux 22:52, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * "Hong Kong, China" has been the name used for many purposes since 1997 - the postal service uses it on stamps, the World Meteorological Organisation, and others... -- Arwel 21:45, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Population values
We discussed columns population values and people/medal (see elsewhere on this page, see the previous edit, and see 2000 Summer Olympics). In the spirit of be bold with your edits, I added these two columns and provided some of the data. They were removed and I see that things are bit more formal here so I am not too worried about that. I am hereby requesting that these two columns may remain in the table. Bobblewik 13:28, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * I think it may be interesting to see the number of athletes participating per country, and, once the event is over, the number of people or even athletes/medal. -- User:Docu
 * Atheletes per participant country has a great deal more merit than population of the countries Mintguy (T)

 * I think this pseudo-statistical information is utterly meaningless. It is always going to be inaccurate, incomplete and entrely irrelevant. It has no place in this encyclopaedia. Mintguy (T) 12:03, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Further to the above, see Talk:2000 Summer Olympics Mintguy (T)

 * The inclusion of this type of information is interesting but incomplete. Does it reflect athlete primary nationality? (for example, many U.S.-born or naturalized U.S. citizens or legal U.S. residents were athletes for other countries this year. Do they count as U.S. winners or not?) Does it include domestic annual budget of individual countries Olympic committees? Also - the total U.S. population used in the census includes possessions - which compete as individual countries in the Olympics. Is that reflected? If not, there should be a major disclaimer stating such. Davodd 01:24, Aug 21, 2004 (UTC)

Athlete count
Being that the scope of the article is very limited to a list of medals only, I removed the few athletes listed in the main article. Maybe such informatiooon belongs in its own article, perhaps 2004 Summer Olympics participation count. - Davodd 00:32, Aug 21, 2004 (UTC)

 * As it's work in progress, the sole fact that it's incomplete, doesn't justify its removal. Ideally the column would follow the name of the NOC though.
 * It's always good to supply context. In this table, we already included a flag and we don't really lack space. If later we'd want to split off the column to a separate table as well, this shouldn't be a problem. -- User:Docu
 * Why not start a split off now? Davodd 19:50, Aug 21, 2004 (UTC)

NOC names link to entry from List of countries instead of Category:Nations at the 2004 Summer Olympics
Eventually the links should be updated to link to later. -- User:Docu

alternative statistics
I wonder how the rankings would change if we do: etc. -- Kaihsu 08:58, 2004 Aug 25 (UTC)
 * 1) medal/population (medals per capita)
 * 2) medal/GDP or medal/GNP
 * 3) medal/kJ consumed as food per day
 * 4) medal/(kJ per capita consumed as food per day)
 * 5) medal/kJ consumed as fuel per year
 * 6) medal/(kJ per capita consumed as fuel per year)
 * http://simon.forsyth.net/olympics.html has some of these. -- Chuq 11:09, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * For the first in your list, see 1996 Summer Olympics medal productivity and 2000 Summer Olympics medal productivity.
 * Bobblewik (talk) 17:03, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Male/Female
I suggest include statistics about male and female competition medals by nation too.

Greece in bold
Hi. I was wondering why is Greece in bold on the board. I don't know if being the host nation warrants any sort of distinction on the medal board (that can only come from performance, not geography). Could that be yet another case of vanity? Redux 16:05, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * I was wondering about the same thing. It is indeed the host of the games, but I don't see any reasons to highlight it from the rest. For award matters, Greece is in the same position as any other country. Shouldn't be treated differently. – Mackeriv 20:48, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * I didn't bold it originally on this page, but I have on a few others. If you don't want it bolded, fair enough, but change it on all other olympics pages as well.  Otherwise, for consistency, I'll re-bold it on this one. -- Chuq 23:25, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Or, as an alternative, why don't you remove it from bold on the pages you have bolded it?
 * Because ... I'm not the one who wants it removed Chuq 14:55, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * I imagine it would be a lot faster than have others search through so many articles to do it. Unless you believe it's correct to have it bolded.  If so, we will gladly listen to your POV on this, but to keep something wrong just because it's wrong in other articles is not the way to go.  Two wrongs don't make a right, and certainly don't represent "consistency". Redux 02:05, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * It's just easier to change this page, to conform with all the other medal count pages. I think the country that is bolded instantly gives you the idea that it is the host nation, the country that has poured millions of dollars (or pounds, euros, etc) into hosting the games to make them as enjoyable as possible, so they deserve some extra recognition. Therefore I've changed it back.  -- 203.220.171.160 13:17, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC) "Two wrongs don't make a right", what is this rubbish?  And remember nothing is ever settled.
 * I'm a bit delayed in responding to Redux's last comment - I wasn't clear before, what I meant was that other users had bolded host nations on several other Olympics pages, and as a result I had bolded a few of them myself - to keep up to (what I presumed was) the standard. This is why I suggested if you really feel they shouldn't be bolded, undo all of them, not just a couple. -- Chuq 14:55, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

When to update the board
What is the policy in use for updating the medal board? I mean, in some sports, such as Sailing, it is possible for an athlete or a team to secure a medal before the competition is over. In that case, should that medal be added to the board right away or should we wait until it's all over and the medal ceremony has passed? Redux 16:09, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * There's a comment that say "Please only update to match the BBC medal count:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics_2004/medals_table/ OR http://www.athens2004.com/en/OlympicMedals/medals (official Athens 2004 count)" on the edit page, So I guess that when these page are updated, you can update the medal board --WysG 21:07, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * The medal count for Australia is wrong. There should be an extra bronze medal added (with a resultant increase in the total number), which was awarded some time after the end of the 2004 Olympics due to a drugs charge for the original bronze medallists (it was a team rowing event). The two linked webpages above were published upon conclusion of the Games and was not updated for any changes much later. The country that lost the bronze medal probably has an extra medal that shouldn't be there. I'm not sure if there are any more discrepancies, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were. It is unfortunate that even the official Olympics webpage has not updated correctly http://www.olympic.org/uk/games/past/index_uk.asp?OLGT=1&OLGY=2004 (click on "Medals by country" link on right-side menu). Should Wikipedia update according to what official sites have, even if it's wrong, or should the up to date information be presented?   12:40, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Countries with one bronze only
Shouldn't Eritrea, Mongolia, Syria and Trinidad and Tobago be equal 71st, not equal 70th? Andjam 14:58, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Yes. See also below Matthewmayer 22:56, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Why this table differs from the IOC one
I compared this medal table to the one on the official website. Hope the information below helps editors in the future!
 * In Equestrian at the 2004 Summer Olympics - Individual jumping, Cian O'Connor of Ireland riding Waterford Crystal was disqualified after the publication of the final medal table. Therefore Ireland's sole gold medal was removed, Brazil got a gold instead of a silver, USA got a silver instead of a bronze, Germany got an extra bronze.
 * In Cycling at the 2004 Summer Olympics - Points Race Women, María Luisa Calle of Colombia was disqualified before the publication of the final medal table and the bronze awarded to fourth placed Erin Mirabella of the United States. This decision was reversed in October 2005 so USA lost a bronze and Colombia gained a bronze.
 * -- Above very useful information added by 22:56, 27 November 2005

Found the following additional item:
 * Also in Equestrian at the 2004 Summer Olympics - Individual jumpingEquestrian at the 2004 Summer Olympics, the German horse Goldfever, who was ridden by Ludger Beerbaum. was disqualified. Germany’s team gold medal was then given to the Americans, and the silver to the Swedish show jumping team. The Germans, however, were still able to take the bronze medal, even without Goldfever’s results. (See Equestrian at the 2004 Summer Olympics.)

The net result of the above three adjustments (when compared with previously published IOC results):
 * United States: +1 Gold, net 0 Silver, -2 Bronze
 * Germany: -1 Gold, +2 Bronze
 * Brazil: +1 Gold, -1 Silver
 * Sweden: +1 Silver, -1 Bronze
 * Ireland: -1 Gold
 * Columbia: +1 Bronze

-- Tcncv (talk) 20:56, 16 August 2008 (UTC) -- (edited) Tcncv (talk) 05:35, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

EU
i added the EU as that seems to be the fashionable thing to do nowadays. just thought it woud be useful for curious reference... Pratj 22:00, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

The EU currently sends more teams than a unified EU would send. This increases the chances that some second rate EU team wins gold just by accident. How often does this happen?

To summarize, it is not quite clear to which extent the above EU gold count (which simply sums up those of individual EU states) overestimates or underestimates the hypothetical gold count of a unified EU. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.223.244.242 (talk) 13:09, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

 * And I removed it because we've had this discussion before, and consensus is that we only tabulate by the National Olympic Committees for each Games. The EU does not have a distinct NOC that competes at any Games.  The most obvious reason why this is a problematic comparison is that most events have a per-nation quota on number of athletes or teams, and a fabricated multi-national total would not have this restriction.  Look at the medal summary of Sailing at the 2004 Summer Olympics, for example.  Many events have at least 2 medalists from EU nations, but this sport limits each event to 1 boat per nation.  Therefore, you cannot create a true apples-to-apples comparison.   I'm not sure where the "fashionable thing to do nowadays", comment comes from, because we certainly avoid that can of worms on these Wikipedia Olympic pages.  Andrwsc 16:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Russia Gold Medal
I update gold medal for Russia. They only won 27 gold after the gold medalist in woman shot put was disqualified. Though they theoretically should get gold medal in 4x400m women relay in athletic and Cycling men's road time trial (after Tyler Hamilton returned the gold medal), no further action has been taken by IOC up to today — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.35.138.164 (talk) 07:43, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

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Super Sprint

Super Sprint (known as Sprint Master on the Atari 2600) is a racing video game released by Atari Games and Midway Games in 1986. Up to three players drive Formula One-like cars on a circuit that is viewed from above. The game is a successor to Gran Trak 10 and the Sprint series, which were black-and-white games from the 1970s. A sequel, Championship Sprint, was released later in the same year.

Gameplay
Up to three players drive simultaneously on a circuit against opponents controlled by the computer. The circuits are viewed from above and always fit on the screen, so the game never scrolls. After three laps the winner advances to the next circuit. There are eight circuits in total, but the game only ends if gamers can get to race 85 where the bonus Super Speedway circuit is played. As the player goes to higher levels, more and more obstacles appear on the track, like oil puddles and tiny moving tornadoes. If the car touches them, the player loses control over the car for a short time while it is sliding and spinning. Driving into a wall with high speed or falling from one of the bridges destroys the car, but a helicopter will appear to replace it.

The car can be customized by collecting wrenches that lie on the track. The player can exchange three of them for improved traction, better acceleration or higher top speed.

Ports
Super Sprint was ported to the Amstrad CPC, Atari ST, Commodore 64, and ZX Spectrum. An unlicensed port was released by Tengen, a subsidiary of Atari, for the Nintendo Entertainment System and it was adapted by the Japanese company Altron as a licensed title for the Japanese market.

The game was ported to the Atari 2600 under the name Sprint Master, the adaptation was released in 1988.

Reception
In Japan, Game Machine listed Super Sprint on their August 15, 1986 issue as being the second most-successful upright/cockpit arcade unit of the month. It became Japan's eighth highest-grossing upright/cockpit arcade game during the latter half of 1986, and the ninth highest-grossing upright/cockpit arcade game of 1986. It was later Japan's tenth highest-grossing upright/cockpit arcade game of 1987.

In 1996, Next Generation listed the arcade version as number 59 on their "Top 100 Games of All Time". They explained that while the massive understeer in the game is highly unrealistic, it adds a sense of urgency to the gameplay.

Championship Sprint
Later in 1986 Championship Sprint was released; it is almost identical, but with different tracks, and with a standard-size two-player cabinet instead of Super Sprint's wide 3P cabinet. It was ported to the ZX Spectrum, Amstrad CPC, and Commodore 64.

Rereleases
A Game Boy Advance version was released along with Spy Hunter in a dual-game pack in 2005.

Super Sprint is included in the compilation Midway Arcade Treasures for the GameCube, PlayStation 2, Xbox, and Microsoft Windows. Its sequel, Championship Sprint, was released for the same systems in Midway Arcade Treasures 2, and as a downloadable game for the PlayStation 3. The game is also part of the 2012 compilation Midway Arcade Origins for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.

In 2016, Super Sprint was re-released in the Lego Dimensions Midway Arcade Level Pack.

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Croydon Road Recreation Ground

Croydon Road Recreation Ground is a public park located in Beckenham in the London Borough of Bromley. It is near the High St and adjacent to Beckenham Beacon. The park features a café and bandstand, as well as a bowling green and other sports facilities. The park was laid out by the Sydenham firm Reid and Bornemann in 1890 and was formally opened on 23 September 1891.

The UK's first manned airmail flight left from here in 1902, travelling to Calais by hot air balloon The event was held to celebrate the coronation of King Edward VII. The crew were A E Gaudron, a French balloonist and Dr. Barton, a local medical practitioner. Mail was dropped at three points in Kent before the balloon itself then crossed the Channel before landing near Calais.

On 16 August 1969, David Bowie helped organise and played at the Growth Summer Festival a one-day festival that played from the bandstand in the park. Now known as the Bowie Bandstand, it was built by the McCallum and Hope Iron Foundry of Glasgow and erected in 1905. It was listed Grade II on the National Heritage List for England in 2019 as a "rare and substantial example of cast-iron work" by the McCallum and Hope Iron Foundry, and for its association with Bowie. On 15 September 2013, the park hosted a "Memory of a Free Festival" event, commemorating the 1969 festival.

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Wanderer (company)

Wanderer was a German manufacturer of bicycles, motorcycles, automobiles, vans and other machinery. Established as Winklhofer & Jaenicke in 1896 by Johann Baptist Winklhofer and Richard Adolf Jaenicke, the company used the Wanderer brand name from 1911, making civilian automobiles until 1941 and military vehicles until 1945.

Wanderer was last active as a financial holding company without its own business operations and went bankrupt in July 2010. The brand was then acquired by Cologne-based manufacturer Zweirad Einkaufs Genossenschaft (ZEG).

History
Winklhofer & Jaenicke was established in 1896 in Chemnitz. It built motorcycles from 1902 and automobiles from 1903. The Wanderer brand was chosen in 1911 for overseas exports and was soon adopted for domestic sales.

The first two- or three-seater models used four-cylinder 1145 cc and 1220 cc engines. The 1220 cc model lasted until 1925. The first six-cylinder model appeared in 1928. By 1926, when Wanderer introduced a successful Typ 10, the company was making 25 vehicles a day; parts were made at the old plant in Chemnitz and assembled at the 1927 built new site in Siegmar, delivered by rail right to the assembly line. Motorcycle production continued in Chemnitz alone.

During the Great Depression, in 1929, the company owner, Dresdner Bank, sold the motorcycle business to František Janeček, and in 1932 divested the rest of Wanderer. The car division with its Siegmar factory became part of Auto Union together with Horch, Audi and DKW. In this quartet, Horch was positioned as the luxury brand, DKW and Slaby-Beringer built cheap two-stroke cars, and Audi and Wanderer competed in the Middle class and Upper Middle class	segments the same way GM's Buick and Oldsmobile divisions were used, technologically advanced small cars (the heaviest, 6-cylinder Wanderers reached 1.5 tons dry weight). Wanderers of the Nazi period acquired a trademark radiator design, shaped as a heraldic shield.

The next model W17 7/35 PS was propelled by a new 1692 cc OHV four-cylinder engine developed by Ferdinand Porsche. In 1933 the new Audi Front was equipped with the Wanderer W22 engine, a 1950 cc OHV six-cylinder, also a Porsche design. The top model from 1936 to 1939 was the W50, propelled by a 2257 cc six-cylinder engine. From 1937 on there were also sporting fours (W24 and W25) and another six-cylinder model of 2632 cc (W23), propelled by new Flathead engines constructed by Auto Union itself. Wanderer cars were always admired for their high quality and sporting character.

During World War II, all civilian production was replaced in 1941 with licence-built military vehicles, such as Steyr 1500A light truck. A subcamp of Flossenbürg concentration camp, KZ Siegmar-Schonau, was operated during the war to provide slave labour for the Wanderer vehicle plants. From 1943 on the Auto Union Siegmar plant produced Maybach HL230 V12 engines, used in many heavy tanks of the German Wehrmacht.

The Wanderer Siegmar plant (now Chemnitz) of Auto Union was destroyed in early 1945, closing this chapter in the history of automobiles. Post-war efforts to restore East German auto industry concentrated on Auto Union facilities in Zwickau and Zschopau: Wanderer car production never recovered, with Auto Union relocating to Ingolstadt, West Germany, where the company was rebuilt based using the DKW and, ultimately, the Audi brand.

Company History from 1945
Following the end of World War II, a referendum on 30 June 1946 saw the expropriation of war and Nazi criminals by the occupying Soviet forces. This resulted in both the Wanderer works company and Auto Union enterprises being partially dismantled and their assets taken as reparations to the Soviet Union by 1948. This gave way to the rearrangement of state-owned enterprises (VEB):

 * the car factory in Siegmar was allocated as part of the Vehicle Construction Industry Association (IFA) and was later part of the VEB Barkas-Werke (which is now the VW engine factory in Chemnitz).
 * Meanwhile, the machine tool area initially continued as VEB Wanderer-Fräsmaschinenbau was changed to VEB Fritz-Heckert-Werk in 1951. It later became the parent company of the VEB machine tool combine ‘Fritz-Heckert’ (now the Starrag Group).
 * The office machine business in Schönau was reorganised as VEB Wanderer-Continental office machine works, under the umbrella of VVB Mechanik. It was then merged with the former Astrawerke AG and formed as VEB Büromaschinen Chemnitz in 1953, but two years later spun off again as VEB Industriewerke Karl-Marx-Stadt and commissioned with the production of aircraft engines. The production of typewriters passed to the Optima office machine factory in Erfurt, whilst calculators and booking machines were further developed and created in the VEB booking machine factory in Karl-Marx-Stadt (formerly known as the Astrawerke). Following the suspension of the GDR's own aircraft construction in 1961, hydraulic pumps and vehicle engines were manufactured in the industrial plant. A small part of it managed to remain after the reunification as Sachsenhydraulik GmbH, before eventually being passed to the US company Parker-Hannifin.

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