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Erik Morales

Erik Isaac Morales Elvira (born September 1, 1976) is a Mexican former professional boxer who competed from 1993 to 2012. He is the first Mexico-born boxer in history to win world championships in four weight classes, ranging from super bantamweight to light welterweight.

Morales defeated fifteen world champions during the course of his career, and is famous for his trilogies with fellow Mexican legend Marco Antonio Barrera, as well as Manny Pacquiao. ESPN ranked Morales at number 49 on their list of the 50 greatest boxers of all time.

Morales was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in June 2018.

Early career
Erik Morales was born in the Zona Norte section of Tijuana. Under the tutelage of his father, José Morales, a fighter himself, Erik started boxing at the age of five and amassed a very impressive amateur career that totaled 114 fights (108–6), winning 11 major titles in Mexico in the process. Morales made his professional debut at the age of 16 by knocking out Jose Orejel in two rounds. Between 1993 and 1997, he quickly climbed the ranks in the super bantamweight division, winning 26 fights, 20 by knockout, including wins against former champions Kenny Mitchell and Hector Acero Sánchez, before challenging for his first world title. It was during this time that he signed with promoter Bob Arum.

Morales vs. Zaragoza
On September 6, 1997, in El Paso, Texas, at the age of 21, he won his first world title by stopping WBC Super Bantamweight Champion and now member of the International Boxing Hall of Fame, Daniel Zaragoza, via knockout in eleven rounds.

In his first defense, Morales defeated John Lowey (24–2) by knockout in the seventh round. In his next fight, he defeated Remigio Molina (31–1) by knockout in the 6th round. On May 16, 1998, he defeated former champion Jose Luis Bueno via knockout in the second round.

Morales vs. Jones
In September 1998, in another landmark fight, Morales knocked out former two-weight world champion Junior Jones of the United States. Jones went into the battle with a daunting record against Mexican fighters of 35 victories and no losses, most notably including two victories over the previous champion, Marco Antonio Barrera, in 1996 and 1997. Also noteworthy was that Jones was entering México for the first time to fight, and the fight was held at Tijuana. The fight went on to three contested rounds, before Morales knocked out Jones with two consecutive overhead right crosses in the fourth round.

In October 1999, Morales fought and defeated former WBC Bantamweight Champion Wayne McCullough of Northern Ireland, saying that McCullough gave him one of the three toughest fights of his career.

Morales vs. Barrera I
In February 2000, Morales defeated Marco Antonio Barrera to win the WBO Super Bantamweight title, in a fight that is now considered one of boxing's classics. Morales won the fight by a controversial split decision. It was an intense battle in which both fighters were cut and battered. Many people thought Barrera had won the fight on a knockdown that he scored in the twelfth and final round. After the fight, Morales said, "He was a brave fighter, and we both gave it all we had. We were both hurt during the fight. He was the biggest puncher I ever faced in the ring." The Ring named it the Fight of the Year.

Featherweight
After nine successful title defenses, Morales chose to vacate his WBC Super Bantamweight title to move up to featherweight division. In his second fight at this weight, he fought 33-year-old former world champion Kevin Kelley, in September 2000. Kelley was knocked down in the fifth and seventh rounds, he was finally trapped in the latter round by a flurry of five consecutive uppercuts from Morales. Supported only by the ropes, a sixth uppercut landed, and the fight was stopped. Morales became the Interim WBC Featherweight Champion.

Morales vs. Espadas Jr.
Morales fought again in 2000, knocking out Rodney Jones in the first round. In February 2001, he fought Guty Espadas Jr., the WBC Featherweight title holder with a thirteen fight winning streak, and whose father, Guty Espadas, Sr., was also a world champion boxer. Morales won a close twelve-round decision to claim his third world title in his second weight division. Although Morales was highly rated in the featherweight division, Naseem Hamed was seen as the Lineal Champion of the division.

In July 2001, Morales defeated future champion In Jin Chi of South Korea and retained his title. Chi gave a strong effort, but Morales was the sharper, harder puncher and outworked him for much of the fight. Morales was cut and swollen over the left eye in the sixth round by an accidental clash of heads and Chi was penalized one point in the tenth round.

Morales vs. Barrera II
Morales then tasted defeat for the first time in his 42nd professional fight when he lost (this time) a controversial majority decision and his WBC title against Lineal Champion, Marco Antonio Barrera in June 2002, in a re-match of their February 2000 fight. Morales constantly pressed forward and dominated much of the first half of the fight (clearly winning at least 4 of the first 6 rounds). He was cut on the bridge of the nose in the 2nd round, and cut and swollen over his right eye in the 8th. However, he punched Barrera to the canvas during the middle rounds but this was called a slip. Barrera fought cautiously in the early rounds, but rallied as the fight progressed, although Morales seemed to narrowly win rounds 10 and 11, which when including his dominance in the first half of the fight, seemed to seal him the close victory on the score-cards. HBO's unofficial ring-side scorer: Harold Lederman, scored the fight 115–113 (7 rounds to 5) for Morales.

Morales bounced back with a dominating twelve-round decision victory over former world champion, Paulie Ayala in November 2002 to regain the vacant WBC Featherweight title. The early rounds were close, but Morales started to dominate in the middle rounds, consistently landing the harder punches and Ayala's left eye began to swell. He slowed his pace in the late rounds and Ayala rallied, but Morales rocked him with a series of punches in the 12th round.

Morales defeated Eddie Croft in March 2003. He scored three knockdowns and stopped Croft in the 3rd round. All the fighters on the card donated their purses to "Vamos Mexico," a children's charity headed by Marta Sahagun, wife of Mexican president Vicente Fox.

Morales defeated Fernando Velardez later that year. He knocked down Velardez in the 1st, 4th and 5th rounds when the fight was stopped without a count. In October 2003, Morales defeated Guty Espadas Jr. in a rematch of their first close fight. This time Morales knocked him out in three rounds.

Morales vs. Chávez
Morales vacated his WBC Featherweight title and moved up to the super featherweight division. On February 28, 2004, Morales captured the WBC Super Featherweight title by unanimous decision over Jesús Chávez. Morales twice knocked down Chávez, which Floyd Mayweather Jr. had been unable to do. Morales was rocked midway through the 1st round, but he came back to score two knockdowns in the 2nd round and managed to cut Chavez over the left eye. Chavez injured his right shoulder early in the fight and threw very few right hands, but still fought aggressively for the rest of the fight with his jab and left hooks which cut Morales over the eye in the 4th round. With the victory he became the second Mexican boxer to win a title at three separate weight divisions, the first being the acclaimed Julio César Chávez.

On July 31, 2004, Morales unified his WBC Super Featherweight title with the IBF version by way of a twelve-round unanimous decision over Carlos Hernández. Hernández constantly pressed forward, but Morales boxed effectively consistently landing the harder, more accurate punches that rocked Hernández several times.

Morales vs. Barrera III
On November 27, 2004, Morales fought Barrera for the third time in a bout for the WBC Super Featherweight title. Their highly anticipated third battle drew a capacity crowd of over 11,000. Barrera started fast and rocked Morales late in the first round and bloodied his nose in the second. Morales came back strongly in the second half of the fight and won four of the last six rounds on two judges' scorecards. However, the judges scored the bout 114–114, 114–115, 113–115 in favor of Barrera, in what was justifiably a very, very close, but non-controversial and justifiable win for Barrera. Their third meeting was once again named The Ring Fight of the Year.

Morales vs. Pacquiao I
On March 19, 2005, as a betting underdog, Morales defeated then three-division world champion Filipino boxer Manny Pacquiao, by a unanimous decision. During the 12th round, Morales, comfortably ahead on the scorecards, decided to brawl with the Filipino slugger, even turning southpaw during the process. In a post fight interview, HBO broadcaster Larry Merchant, asked Morales, "Why?" Morales replied by asking a question of his own, "Did you enjoy it? That's why."

Later that night, at the post-fight press conference, Erik further explained his reasoning for brawling with the Filipino slugger; "It was a great pleasure to fight this way. I think I was controlling the fight with my distance. Sometimes I need to put a little flavor into the ring. My promoter always says that I make the fights very difficult, but they're not difficult, they're fun for the public. I decided to stop myself in front of him in the twelfth round because I wanted to give the public what they deserve. It was a great round. I'm very happy about it."

Morales vs. Raheem
On September 10, 2005, Erik Morales moved up to the lightweight division and was defeated by unanimous decision by Zahir Raheem. Raheem frustrated Morales with constant lateral movement. Raheem rocked Morales in the 5th round and built a lead on the scorecards, but Morales rallied in the 11th round and staggered him with a right hand as Raheem's glove touched the canvas, but it was not scored a knockdown by referee Jon Schorle. The final scores were 118–110, 116–112 and 115–112 in favor of Raheem.

Morales vs. Pacquiao II & III
On January 22, 2006, Morales fought Pacquiao in a rematch from their bout ten months before and was defeated in ten rounds. Pacquiao knocked down Morales twice in the final seconds of round ten and the fight was stopped.

He fought Pacquiao for the third time in a non-championship title bout, on November 18, 2006. Morales was defeated by a knockout in three rounds. After the fight, Morales said "Maybe it's time I should no longer be doing this." He sat speechless in his corner for five minutes afterward. "I did everything in camp necessary to win this fight. I didn't win it. It wasn't my night...it just wasn't meant to be." Asked by Larry Merchant whether he would retire from boxing, Morales offered, "Maybe this is the way to end it. It's a beautiful night, and there's a lot of good people (here in the audience)...it was always a pleasure to give the public great fights."

Return to Lightweight
Morales moved up to the lightweight division in search of a possible fourth WBC title. During a holiday visit to the Philippines in January 2007, Morales told a local newspaper that he was fighting again but declined to name his next opponent. He stated that he had unfinished business in the boxing ring and was determined to regain recognition as a world champion. He also expressed his desire to become the first Mexican fighter to win four WBC titles in different divisions and surpass Julio César Chávez's record by campaigning at the lightweight class of 135 lb.

Morales vs. Díaz
On August 4, 2007, Morales fought David Díaz for the WBC Lightweight title and lost a close unanimous decision at the Allstate Arena. Judges Herminio, Cuevas Collazo and Robert Hecko both scored Round 1, 10–9 Morales, even though Morales knocked down Díaz in that round. Collazo then went on to score Round 2, 10–8 for Diaz, when not only did a knockdown not occur, but the two other judges saw it as a Morales round. The final scores read 114–113 (Collazo), 115–113 (Hecko) and 115–112 (Uratani), all in favor of Díaz. It was Morales' fifth loss in his last six bouts. During the post-fight press conference, Morales announced his retirement from boxing.

Comeback
In various interviews conducted in 2009, Morales began to state that he would fight again in late 2009 to early 2010, after he gave his body enough time to rest. Morales also stated that he would continue to fight as a lightweight.

His first comeback fight was then set for México in early 2010, against ranked Nicaraguan welterweight contender José Alfaro.

Morales vs. Maidana
On April 9, 2011, the MGM Grand Garden Arena hosted HBO Pay Per View's "Action Heroes." The main event featured Erik Morales fighting against Marcos Rene Maidana.

Many boxing pundits felt that an aging Morales, fighting a couple of divisions above his best weight, stood little chance against the hard hitting Maidana. However, Morales turned back the clock and gave his best performance since beating Pacquiao. The opening bell saw Maidana jump on the older Morales. Morales' eye was badly swollen in the first round by a series of hard shots, especially a devastating uppercut, and it looked like the rout was on. However, Morales held his own through the next few rounds before rallying in the 8th–10th rounds. Although Maidana was using combos to hurt "El Terrible," Morales started turning the tide mid-fight, throwing very heavy counter-punches and almost knocking Maidana down. However, just when the fight seemed within Morales' grasp, Maidana took over by throwing combos, giving him the final rounds of the fight. Morales put up a valiant effort, performed better than anyone thought possible, won the crowd over and gave the boxing public another "Fight of the Year" candidate. However, it just wasn't enough. In the end, Maidana's youth and Morales' age and mileage were just too much to overcome, and Maidana eked out a majority decision victory with scores of 114–114 and 116–112 twice.

Morales vs. Cano
Morales was due to fight WBO Inter-Continental Light Welterweight Champion Lucas Matthysse as an undercard to the Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Victor Ortiz bout. Matthysse pulled out of the bout, citing a viral infection.

On September 17, 2011, Morales won the WBC Light Welterweight Championship with a win over un-rated Pablo César Cano. The title had been vacant after previous champion Timothy Bradley's status had contentiously been changed to Champ in Recess due to inactivity. Many including experts and commentators saw the title won by Morales as a paper championship. Following Morales' win, he would be rated No.7 on Ring Magazine's light welterweight ratings, with all other title holders and highly rated contenders ranked above him. Morales is the inaugural Mexico-born boxer to win world titles in four different weight classes.

Morales vs. Garcia I & II
On March 24, 2012, Morales faced 23-year-old Danny García (22–0 14 KO's) in another chapter of the storied "Puerto Rico vs. Mexico" boxing rivalry. García entered the contest following victories over former titleholders Nate Campbell and Kendall Holt. However, Morales attended the weigh-in over two pounds above the light welterweight limit. He remained champion until the fight, but only García could win the belt by defeating him, as a Morales win would vacate it. Morales lost by unanimous decision.

Morales fought on October 20, 2012, on a rematch with now The Ring, WBC & WBA (Super) Light Welterweight Champion Danny Garcia. He was knocked out by Danny Garcia in the 4th round, the fight was aired on Showtime Boxing. Here is how FOX Sports described how Danny Garcia knocked out Erik Morales:

"Morales is dancing in the opening seconds but is that because he's got a second wind or because he still doesn't know where he is. He did head to the wrong corner at the end of the last round.

This is a bad omen folks. Garcia is tapping Morales' guard with his left hand, literally telling Morales where the next shot is going to come. After four taps, Morales decides it's time to get aggressive. Bad move. Garcia blasts Morales with a left hook that launches Morales through the ropes. You can see it in Morales' eyes, he's not getting back up. KO for Garcia."

Doping allegations
Prior to Morales-Garcia rematch on October 20, 2012, United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) conducted two random drug tests (Oct 3 and 10, 2012). Morales was tested positive for use of the banned substance Clenbuterol, a weight-loss drug, it reduces fat deposits and is believed to increase muscle mass. Although the New York State Athletic Commission was notified 24 hours in advance of the Garcia-Morales bout regarding Morales’ positive drug test results, the legal process was still ongoing. The NYSAC allowed the fight to proceed.

Retirement
In March 2013, Morales revealed plans to fight at least once more. “The idea is to make a nice party for the farewell of my career,” he said. “I’ve had a 20-year career. “(The party is) not only for me, but for the people who stood by me – my father, my mother, my brothers, the fans, the press, especially the coaches, trainers, doctors, sparring partners and all of those who helped prepare me and demanded me to be better every day. But mostly, my children and my wife, who often had to endure my absence for long periods of time. This is not just for me, but for everyone involved in my career,” Morales said. In June 2014, Morales officially announced his retirement forgoing a farewell fight.

Rape allegations
On January 9, 2024, it was announced that a 54-year-old woman alleged that Morales sexually abused and harassed her in June 2013 at Morales' gym, "Box Platino" in Tijuana.

Outside the ring
Morales was trained and managed by his father José Morales and was promoted by Bob Arum and Top Rank. His brothers are Iván Morales and former WBO Super Flyweight Champion Diego Morales. Erik has four children.

Erik Morales currently spends his time managing a $3.5 million budget running the parks and recreation department in Tijuana. Morales donates his salary back to the department to further help fund it. Morales was quoted as saying, "This is just a way for me to be able to thank the people who have been so good to me all my life."

On May 30, 2015, Morales agreed to train former light welterweight champion Jessie Vargas for his then-upcoming fight with Timothy Bradley. Morales replaced world champion Roy Jones Jr. as the head trainer Vargas's corner.

It was announced on December 1, 2021, that one of Morales' sons, 23-year-old Fernando, had died. Fernando's cause of death was not immediately known.

Political career
In July 2018, Morales won a seat at the Chamber of Deputies (Mexican Congress) for Baja California. He currently serves in the legislative body's committee on sports.

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Pestilence (band)

Pestilence is a Dutch death metal band founded in Enschede in 1986. They have been through various membership changes throughout their existence, with guitarist-vocalist Patrick Mameli as the sole constant member. After disbanding in order to pursue other musical directions in 1994, Pestilence reunited in 2008, and was put on a "permanent hold" in July 2014. However, the band reunited once again in October 2016. To date, Pestilence has released ten studio albums, and they are one of "progressive death metal's Big Four", along with Death, Atheist, and Cynic.

Early career (1986–1990)
Pestilence started in the Netherlands in mid-1986 as a thrash metal band. The lineup, consisting of Patrick Mameli (guitar, vocals), Randy Meinhard (guitar), and Marco Foddis (drums), recorded two demos before gaining the attention of Roadrunner Records. After the first demo, Martin van Drunen (bass, vocals) joined them. After signing with Roadrunner, Pestilence released their debut album, Malleus Maleficarum, in 1988, further refining their approach to thrash metal.

Meanwhile, Pestilence recruited a new guitar player, Patrick Uterwijk. In 1989, the band released their second album, Consuming Impulse, a turn toward death metal. Musically, things became heavier and more haunting. Vocally, Martin van Drunen moved away from cleaner vocals in favour of a more acidic growl. With its release, Pestilence gained international attention, and became highly regarded worldwide by death metal fans. The band embarked on a tour to support the album, playing a series of dates with Celtic Frost, Death, Carcass, Napalm Death, Morbid Angel and Bolt Thrower, among others. By the time they began working on their third album, the lineup changed once again; vocalist and bassist Martin van Drunen departed to front Asphyx.

Success and breakthrough (1991–1994)
Pestilence were faced with the challenge of replacing another member once again, being now without a vocalist and bassist. For their third album Testimony of the Ancients (1991), they enlisted bassist Tony Choy from death metal band Cynic while Patrick Mameli took over the vocal duties. A more technical and progressive approach, Testimony of the Ancients co-defined early progressive death metal alongside Piece of Time and Human musical and lyrical-wise, with "Land of Tears" getting heavy rotation on Headbangers Ball worldwide. In support of Testimony of the Ancients, Pestilence toured with Death again, and also shared dates with Napalm Death, Cannibal Corpse, Entombed and Dismember.

However, Tony Choy was never a permanent member, and ended up going back to Florida to eventually play with Atheist. In the meantime, Pestilence enlisted the talents of Jeroen Paul Thesseling.

Over the years, Pestilence members were getting into other forms of music, primarily jazz fusion. The band's fourth album, Spheres (1993), was an even more complex affair, mixing jazz elements into their death metal style while also incorporating guitar synths throughout the album.

Pestilence's popularity had risen with the release of each album, but unfortunately, so did tensions between the members. After a short period of time, the band unanimously decided to split up, feeling they had reached their creative climax.

Post-breakup (1995–2007)
In 1994, Roadrunner released one last CD from Pestilence: a best-of titled Mind Reflections, containing tracks from all four albums, plus the rare song "Hatred Within" (originally released on the Teutonic Invasion Part II compilation) and six unreleased live tracks recorded at the Dynamo Open Air Festival in 1992. In 1998, Displeased Records re-released the debut album Malleus Maleficarum (which was originally never officially released in Europe), and included both demo recordings from 1986 and 1987.

In 2006, Metal War Productions, working with Martin van Drunen, released Chronicles of the Scourge, containing two concert recordings and one unreleased bonus track. The two concerts are Live "Kix Festival" – Veghel, the Netherlands (24 June 1989) and Live Bochum, Germany (18 November 1988). A bonus "rehearsal disc" was released with the first 1000 copies.

First reunion (2008–2013)
After a long period of inactivity the band returned in January 2008, The reunion line-up consisted of Mameli on vocals and guitar, Tony Choy on bass and Peter Wildoer on drums. Speaking to Blabbermouth.net regarding his decision to resurrect the band, Mameli had this to say: It's not a reunion, because I will not be playing with any of the old lineup guys, except Tony Choy, of course so... I always stated there WILL NEVER BE a reunion, and there won't be, since I never look back at the past and I refuse now to play with people that are not on the same musical level as I am.

I sang on Testimony and Spheres (two albums later from Consuming Impulse!!), so no need for Martin. This because of the above statement I just made. Furthermore, Martin is doing other things. Good for him.

So now you have two members that were in Pestilence before and one new guy.

The reason why I bring Pestilence back to life is that people/fans keep asking me for this. The time is right now and Mascot is giving me the opportunity to do so.

As you know, I have always been the driving force behind Pestilence, writing all the music and so forth, so that I can state: I will bring back Pestilence to life. More tech and way more brutal than ever before.

In 2008, Pestilence decided to write and record new music for an early 2009 release working with Danish producer Jacob Hansen. Titled Resurrection Macabre, it is their first original album in sixteen years (since 1993's Spheres). In March 2008, Patrick Uterwijk re-joined the band as second-guitarist, however he didn't play on Resurrection Macabre.

In October 2009, Jeroen Paul Thesseling re-joined Pestilence after fifteen years of separation from the band, replacing Tony Choy's bass position. In March 2010, Pestilence announced their first US summer tour in over 16 years which would begin at Maryland Deathfest at Sonar on 30 May. The reformed Pestilence released another album entitled Doctrine in April 2011.

On 22 February 2012, Patrick Mameli announced that Jeroen Paul Thesseling and Yuma van Eekelen both left Pestilence, to commit more on their main projects, Thesseling's Salazh Trio, and van Eekelen's Exivious. Thesseling was replaced by Stephan Fimmers (Necrophagist), and van Eekelen was replaced by Tim Yeung (Morbid Angel, Divine Heresy, All That Remains, Hate Eternal). The new two members were also included in the recording session of the seventh Pestilence album, Obsideo.

Second breakup and reunion (2014–present)
On 8 July 2014, vocalist/guitarist Patrick Mameli announced that Pestilence was on a "permanent hold", as he wanted to "concentrate fully" on his new project Neuromorph.

On 4 October 2016, Pestilence announced on their Facebook page that they were once again active, and announced a new lineup, featuring Mameli on both guitar and vocals, Tony Choy on bass (later replaced by Tilen Hudrap), Santiago Dobles on lead guitar and Septimiu Hărşan on drums.

On 22 February 2017, the band announced via their Facebook page that a new album, titled Hadeon, was due to be released in 2017. The album's release date was later pushed back to 2018, and was finally released on 9 March 2018.

On 24 July 2018, shortly before the bands North America tour was to begin, the metal website MetalSucks reported on a 2017 Facebook post that they alleged showed Patrick Mameli on his personal Facebook profile, in response to a photo of him with blonde dreadlocks, responding to a comment that compared his look to Milli Vanilli with the statement in his native Dutch, "Je zegt dat ik een neger ben?" The site alleged that the use of "neger" translated to the racial epithet nigger. Along with the comment, MetalSucks also alleged that the singer also "propagates Jewish stereotypes", pointing to his support of United States President Donald Trump moving the nations embassy in Israel. Many commenters on the site pointed out that the website used a Facebook translation on the post that translated it to a-more offensive variant, while Google Translate would return "black" or "negro". Due to the controversy generated from the article, the band's entire U.S. tour was cancelled. In a post on Mameli's Facebook page, he stated, "Thanks to metalsucks and their followers, our US minitour has been cancelled by our U.S. promotor[sic]."

On 24 September 2018, Tilen Hudrap announced that he is leaving Pestilence in order to join U.D.O. Edward Negrea of Necrovile was announced as replacement. The band also announced that new music, touring and festival appearances were planned for 2019.

On 1 August 2019, Pestilence announced that they had signed to Agonia Records and would release their then-upcoming ninth studio album Exitivm in the coming months. Several months later, Pestilence announced that Septimiu Hărşan had to leave the band due to restrictions caused by the COVID-19 pandemic; he was replaced by Michiel van der Plicht (God Dethroned and Carach Angren). After a two-year delay, Exitivm was released on 25 June 2021.

In March 2022, Pestilence announced on their Facebook page that they had finished eight songs for their upcoming tenth studio album Portals, with four more tracks to be completed. In July 2023, it was announced that Pestilence had replaced Joost van der Graaf with Roel Käller as their bassist, and were planning to release their new album later in the year or in 2024. However, there have been no signs of Portals, nor any announcements from the band and the album currently remains unreleased.

On February 22, 2024, Pestilence announced they will release Levels of Perception, a "best-of" album of re-recorded songs, on April 26. Shortly after the announcement, the original cover art for the album was replaced with a new cover showing the band members, due to backlash from fans over the original cover having been made using artificial intelligence (AI). This was the second controversy centered around one of Pestilence's cover artworks, following the original cover art for the band's 2018 album Hadeon, made by Santiago Francisco Jaramillo, which was nixed in 2017 after it was pointed out to have been plagiarized from several different sources.

Members
Current lineup
 * Patrick Mameli – guitars (1986–1994, 2008–2014, 2016–present), vocals (1986–1987, 1990–1994, 2008–2014, 2016–present) , bass (1987–1990 [studio only])
 * Rutger van Noordenburg – guitars (2019–present)
 * Michiel van der Plicht – drums (2020–present)
 * Roel Käller – bass (2023–present)

Session musicians
 * Kent Smith – keyboards (1991)
 * Jack Dodd – bass (1992)

Former members
 * Marco Foddis – drums (1986–1994)
 * Randy Meinhart – guitars (1986–1989)
 * Martin van Drunen – vocals (1987–1990), bass (1987–1990 [live only])
 * Patrick Uterwijk – guitars (1988–1994, 2008–2014)
 * Tony Choy – bass (1991–1992, 2008–2009, 2016–2017)
 * Jeroen Paul Thesseling – bass (1992–1994, 2009–2012)
 * Peter Wildoer – drums (2008)
 * Yuma Van Eekelen – drums (2009–2012)
 * Tim Yeung – drums (2012)
 * Dave Haley – drums (2012–2014)
 * Stephan Fimmers – bass (2012–2013)
 * George Maier – bass (2013–2014)
 * Santiago Dobles – guitars (2016–2017)
 * Septimiu Hărşan – drums (2016–2020)
 * Tilen Hudrap – bass (2017–2018)
 * Calin Paraschiv – guitars (2017–2019)
 * Edward Negrea – bass (2018–2019)
 * Joost van der Graaf – bass (2019–2023)

Timeline

Studio albums

 * Malleus Maleficarum (1988)
 * Consuming Impulse (1989)
 * Testimony of the Ancients (1991)
 * Spheres (1993)
 * Resurrection Macabre (2009)
 * Doctrine (2011)
 * Obsideo (2013)
 * Hadeon (2018)
 * Exitivm (2021)
 * Levels of Perception (2024)
 * Portals (TBA)

Demos

 * Dysentery (1987)
 * The Penance (1987)

Compilations

 * Mind Reflections (1994)
 * Levels of Perception (2024)

Live albums

 * Chronicles of the Scourge (2006)
 * Presence of the Past (2015)

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I've added to Please see Special:Upload, which says
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The GFDL requires that you be credited anyway, which is the requirement you specified.

Cheers, dbenbenn | talk 03:42, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for adding Richard Dillingham and putting him on the list of Quakers. Logophile 09:49, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Did you know?
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Quezon and Jews
Amazing! I never knew that Quezon helped the Jews. Actually I've never seen any Jew in the Philippines. There used to be a synagouge though.--Jondel 00:29, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Re:Francis B. Sayre
The article said he was a professor at Harvard Law School. So I put academic, since there is no stub classification for "professional diplomat". Do you have any suggestions, then? Otherwise, I will change it back to. Jaxl | talk 00:41, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It's alright. I might have been a bit careless myself. I will change it back to and maybe propose a new stub for diplomats (I've seen quite a few that need their own category, actually). Sorry about that. Jaxl | talk 00:52, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, I have another solution for the time being. What nationality was Sayre? If he was a natural-born American, I can sort him under instead. Jaxl | talk 15:30, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for the information. I'll list him under then. Jaxl | talk 20:02, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Per Anger
Of the existing stub types, poltician comes closest, since we don't really have one for government functionary, and besides, generally one doesn't rise (at least in the US) to the rank of ambassador without playing some in the field of politics. As for the SfD discussion, that's over renaming the stub type from {Swedish-politician-stub} to {Sweden-politician-stub}. With 72 stub articles (71 if Per Anger wasn't counted) there's more than enough to justify keeping the type, but the name doesn't follow the usual rules which are to use the country's name and not its adjective in stub template names. Caerwine 21:39, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Daniel Kirkwood
Hi, Cuppysfriend! By all means, please make the necessary corrections :-). I am glad that you caught that.  I've been through Bloomington, Indiana so many times (live in Louisville and work in Northern Indiana) that my brain just stopped on that obvious detail!!!  I am going back through any redirects I made to Indiana University of Pennsylvania (there were only a couple out of 250 edits) to make sure I didn't mess those up either.  Your assistance is truly appreciated.  Best regards, >: Roby Wayne Talk • Hist • E@ 20:20, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Elias Hicks
Thanks for adding the picture of Hicks. I like your user page very much, by the way. Logophile 07:06, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Freeman Field Mutiny
I really don't think that the sub type of B-25 in this case is pertainant to the article, so that is why I changed it. It is usually perferable to use internal links when possible. There is, however, info about the J model in the B-25 Mitchell section. This section has the same external link that I removed. If you want, you could change the link to B-25J and it would link directly to that section --rogerd 00:18, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

New FSA/OWI template
Yeah, I just tried to describe the collection in the same careful, complicated way the LOC was doing on its site. As far as I know, the FSA was an independent agency, and never had any connection to the FDA. I think the use of the "Migrant Mother" image for the template is an excellent choice, as it's certainly the most recognizable icon of the FSA effort and very much characterizes the collection.--Pharos 00:40, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Tysto
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New Look (policy)
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Alamo bolide impact
Good job with Kentland.. Sorry about the edit conflict. Please vet my amateur effort at the Alamo bolide impact. --Wetman 23:08, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Kentland
Damn, I knew about the Kentland Crater and didn't mention it? ThanksM dorothy

your message
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Shadrach Minkins
I see you added the name Shadrach Minkins to those buried in the Mount Royal Cemetery in Montreal, Quebec. His biography would be of interest based on your description. However, the cemetery has no record of him. Could you please provide the source of your information. Thank you. Marco Thomas

Thanks for the information. Do you have any other biographical stuff that might be used to make an article? Marco Thomas

What you did already is excellent but please do your intended full article as this is a worthwhile and interesting story. Good work and many thanks. Marco Thomas

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5th Indiana Volunteers (?)
This is the only reference to the unit that i know of: Mahlon Dickerson Manson. --evrik 04:33, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Chamberlin Observatory
That looks great, thanks!! I don't suppose you would mind working your magic on Western State College of Colorado. I seem to have had a infobox/image conflict there as well. The picture that I thought of adding is Image:Western State College Gunnison, CO.jpg. Thanks a bunch!--DO11.10 05:10, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Mussels and P
I'm no expert in phosphorus yet, and I would never be when it comes to invertebrates, but I am just a few clicks away from hundreds of people who are, so here's what they have to say.

I guess you're thinking of zebra mussels, but what I can offer is probably still relevant if you're not. A partial skim of a scientific database come up with almost 100 hits on "phosphorus and mussels," mostly on zebra mussels in NAmerica. I saw no suggestion that more P meant fewer mussels. On the contrary, I did see more P associated with more mussels (causal pathways goes both ways, it seems). I also saw that when zebra mussels invaded various NAmerican lakes they sometimes (though not always) reduced the total amount of algae (so greater water clarity), and also may have changed the balance of the species of algae favouring a more noxious one. It appears the way mussels alter the trophic status of lakes (how "healthy" the lakes are) varies among lakes. This all seems like a relatively popular area of research, probably because of the spread of zebra mussels on top of eutrophic lakes through NAmerica.

Does this help? Daniel Collins 03:40, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

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One reference is a great start and meets the goal I was striving for on this article. I did put a onesource so that hopefully someone will come along later and do more. But you have met the goal of Unreferenced articles. Thank you :) Jeepday (talk) 02:23, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

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Bancroft treaties still in force?
Hi. In the Bancroft Treaties article, the current text says that "The treaties with Albania, Bulgaria and Czechoslovakia (now the Czech Republic and Slovakia) remain in force" — citing 7 FAM 1277(b) as a source.

I can't find 7 FAM 1277(b) anywhere online. If it was once on the State Department's web site, it doesn't appear to be there now; the existing link in the article is dead, and a search on www.state.gov turned up nothing. Also, a Google search came back empty except for this Wikipedia article and some other page which had copied the Wikipedia article.

It had been my understanding that the Bancroft treaty with Czechoslovakia was unilaterally terminated (with notice) in the 1990's by the US after the Czech government refused to agree to a mutual recission. If 7 FAM 1277(b) said that this (and the other two) treaties were still in force, I would be interested in knowing the revision date of this section, in order to confirm that it's still current (or not).

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 * I'm very surprised to read that the nationality treaty with Bulgaria was still in force — and if you hadn't provided that State Dept. source, I would have insisted that this couldn't possibly be so. I would very much like to find more info as to why the Bulgarian treaty hasn't been unilaterally abrogated by the US in the same way as the Czechosolvak treaty was.  The same set of legal arguments should presumably apply to the Bulgarian treaty, as far as I can imagine.  Richwales (talk) 16:16, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

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Soldier's medal recipients
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 * You're more than welcome to undo the redirect and formally propose a merge, or indeed just merge it outright, but I'm very doubtful that we'd actually gain anything by that - we'd end up with a badly-sourced list cluttering up the main article, which would be duplicated almost entirely by the category here.
 * As to future mergers, no, nothing we do just now is going to cause problems with that. Shimgray | talk | 16:26, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Cheers!

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Cuppysfriend will be offline for a little while
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Auburn Cord Duesenberg
You may not agree with calling it an historic district, but the National Park Service classifies the ACD site as an historic district. See http://tps.cr.nps.gov/nhl/detail.cfm?ResourceId=-1105737270&ResourceType=District

Accordingly, the infobox in Auburn Cord Duesenberg Automobile Museum labels it "historic district" and it is in Wikipedia historic district categories. All I did was add it to the state category (previously it was in the US historic district category). --Orlady (talk) 20:07, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Captain Logan
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Little brown bat
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 * Rejoice~ It has passed. Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:45, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
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Couple others of shells being held up.

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La Vang
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Talk:Kirlian photography

To a large extent
To a large extent, It has been used in alternative medicine research.

Is there a piece of an earlier sentence missing here? — MaxEnt 19:27, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Torn Leaf Experiment
It is said here: However, if the imaging surface is cleaned of contaminants and residual moisture before the second image is taken, then no image of the missing section will appear.

And then a citation to::

An Encyclopedia of Claims, Frauds, and Hoaxes of the Occult and Supernatural

However, no further proof is available in the source that this claim is true. It only talks about some "probable causes" like the glass plate having a fissure in the electrical discharge.

I believe that the affirmation should be either removed or a better source should be used for it. It is not because a source is discrediting a paranormal effect that it should be accepted as a more reliable reference, it should also be able to prove what it is claiming.
 * This is not how citation works. We say what the reliable sources say. We do not do original research to filter out those things that we believe are not satisfactorily justified by the source.
 * But I seem to remember that Flim-Flam! would be a source for this. --Hob Gadling (talk) 05:21, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I was wrong about Flim-Flam! It does mention Kirlian photography, but not the torn leaf thing. I found two articles on the net, though: one by a professional photographer, the other by a physicist. I also put Randi back, because of what I said above.
 * BTW, calling this a "claim" is disingenious. See WP:CLAIM. That torn leaves leave a miraculous aura is an extraordinary claim. The explanation is not. --Hob Gadling (talk) 22:21, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your link about the original research, however, what made you belive that three webpage entries were more valid then a peer reviewed published article? I checked the revisions and the modification on this section of the wikipedia article was citing a reliable source, published article and it was removed. I am reverting the changes and adding an extra source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.105.143.115 (talk) 23:26, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

 * Found another source: "Physics and Psychics" by Victor Stenger, page 241. The article already has sources for that explanation of the torn leaf effect though. --Hob Gadling (talk) 15:15, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Intro
″these claims are unsupported by the scientific community″ Claims are either supported by evidence or not supported by evidence.

The scientific community doesn't "support" or "unsuppoort" anything. Maybe it either accepts or rejects, but these are weasel words.

Suggest either these claims are unsupported by evidence or these unsupported claims are rejected by the scientific community BioImages2000 (talk) 18:12, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Changed to "rejected". --Hob Gadling (talk) 08:17, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Torn Leaves & Moisture
The current section on the torn leaves experiments seems out of date with regard to the claims of Kirlian Photography/Aura proponents - they're now claiming that the missing portions of the leaf will appear even on an entirely fresh setup, which has never been in contact with the intact leaf and thus could not be contaminated with moisture.

Obviously this seems physically implausible, but it should at least be mentioned. I added a citation to that effect, from a pseudoscience/alt-medicine journal, but it was removed as an unreliable source. Surely such a journal is a reliable source for their own claims? - 212.129.80.227 (talk) 10:12, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Because of WP:FRINGE, it cannot stand alone, without any mainstream comments from better sources. Wikipedia does not collect crazy claims from all sorts of people that have not got any attention from science. --Hob Gadling (talk) 11:18, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

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