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User talk:Texture/Archive-2004 June

Info for info
Em... sorry for 'vandalising' an info. However, i was simply putting in some humour that would've been dismissed quite lightly.

Hi. No lunar flag just yet - the Moon Society just closed off a two-year contest and hasn't released any designs yet. Even after that, there are still things which need to be done to make it even semi-official.

The Mars flag is not, AFAIK, a legally official flag (I think you kind of have to have people on Mars first, or some other foolish thing). However, it is official in that it has the approval of both the Planetary Society and the Mars Society, flew aboard the last Discovery mission in 1999, and flew over the Mars Arctic Research Station during its last season of operation. I'll have more on the image page.

Your turn. I can see how you've configured your sig, but how do you get it to time/date stamp? Surely you don't have to do it manually? Denni 21:49, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * Your sig is made up of two links to user and one link to talk. I get that. But when I see your sig, it is followed by a time/date stamp. I am trying something similar. It looks like this:

 * Denni

 * which looks like

 * Denni

 * But if I try to time/date stamp that with tildes, what I get is

 * DenniDenni 02:36, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * Is there a msg: I can add to my sig which adds time/date, so that what I get is Denni 02:33, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)? (I guess I could play around, but other things are more pressing - a current article, f'rinstances.)

 * Denni 02:36, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

The best approach is to change your sig to something like this:

Denn]][[User talk:Dwindrim|i

Then the four tildes will work for both sig and time. - Tεx  τ  urε  18:32, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * On a largely unrelated note, don't five tildes give date and time in this software version? Hmm, let's check (-- 00:26, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC) --) right here and see if it works :) - Fennec (さばくのきつね)

Forest Temple
Hey, no prob. The main problem with Votes for deletion is it's so damn slow. I found that in the time I managed to return the topic you removed, I had removed an entry that someone else put in a minute before. Maybe they should have a seperate page for every day. Very impressive page format, btw! I might just borrow the idea (well, learn some of the code you use). All in the name of public domain!--[[User:HamYoyo|HamYoyo (Talk)]] 19:01, Jun 3, 2004 (UTC)

 * Enjoy! My user page is GFDL all the way...  (And portions from other users' pages...)

 * VfD used to be easier when we were using MediaWiki pages. Now that it is all back in one page we are having the same problems as before and the same page corruptions and section errors.  Not fun. -  Tεx  τ  urε  19:12, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Al-Andalus, etymology(ies)
Well, I added the above piece to supplement information I found in the "Al-Andalus" page here, which I found scant and not scholarly. Seems someone thinks it's patent nonsense. I thought Wikipedia would welcome the additional information.

Al-Andalus, etymology(ies) - follow up.
Hi. I see. I'll ammend it then and hope it's found useful. Thanks for the suggestion :)

Croat
Yes I did - thank you! Mark Richards 21:58, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

さばくのきつね
On a completely unrelated note, are you active on the IRC channels by any chance?
 * I know about one word of written Japanese (の is apparently "no" and means "of", at least in some contexts) and I'm sure that you're better at all this than me... I have little or no clue what I'm doing and welcome help :)
 * さばくのきつね is supposedly something like "fox of the desert", although perhaps it's out of order and " はきつねのさばく" would be more appropriate (am I saying "desert of the fox"? O_o)
 * I get all my Japanese character stuff out of a little app in KDE called... called... darn, I forget, and I'm on my Windows partition at the moment (due to wireless driver reasons).

 * The app is called Kiten.
 * For a Macintosh IRC client, try X-Chat Aqua. There's also Ircle, but there's the potential for registration unpleasantness- I have no experience with it.
 * If your workplace ISP attempts to block IRC connections, see if it's blocking just port 6667, or if it blocks 7000 as well (try connecting to irc.us.freenode.net port 7000). - Fennec (さばくのきつね) 02:53, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)

PLAUTIA URGANILLA
Nice to know I have my uses! -- Graham :) | Talk 06:28, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Cedric Belfrage: Response(s)
URL at bottom of Cedric Belfrage is neither "down" nor a "user's personal page". Thanks for reviewing the article in (two minutes). -- 65.19.77.253 15:12, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * RAH!

 * It was not available when I tried to access it. In addition, it appears to be a lightly strung together site on an educational server with no HTML.  It is a series of xml pages with no apparant organization and the server home page is the default apache home page that appears when you first install apache.  (You are supposed to replace it with something else.) Are you the server administrator?  Is there a date when the site is expected to be fully up? -  Tεx  τ  urε  17:55, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * "rah!" right back at you.

 * yeah, network and server outages do happen. reasonable mistake.

 * on your comment that the web site appears lightly strung together. seems pretty robust to me (frames suck of course).  sometimes it seems like Wikipedia is lightly strung together, too, but that's okay (I'm not sure what you got against "educational" servers).  XML pages--- what?  Looks like Content-type: text/html to me.  The fact that this NYU library is using XML to catalog their collections shouldn't shine poorly on them.  It appears they're using the Apache Tomcat server to do all their XML work.  Who cares about apache home pages?  There is a home page for the collection, it's just on another server.  it seemed that having a link to the personal paper's of this biographical entry was relevant.  maybe not.  but why not give a pseudo-reference (remember Cite sources) to the sourcce of much of the article's material.

 * No, I'm not the server administrator nor affiliated with the NYU Library system nor the Robert F. Wagner collections. -- 132.198.104.111 20:43, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * Remember, Please do not bite the newcomers.

VF-713
If I remember correctly, it was deleted as soon as I added it to VFD. I don't know why it doesn't show up when you click on the link. RickK 23:25, Jun 9, 2004 (UTC)

apologies
While I still feel you were overbearing w Svigor (who may or may not be a returned user or sockpuppet, I understand that) I can see where I came off too strongly. I don't mean to be rude to you, a user who I have a generally good impression of. That said, I was harassed early apon coming to the wiki, and accused of being a returned hardbanned user (EoT/142 specifically) and so am particularly sensitive for others (rightly or wrongly) accused thusly. I also find there to be an overall spirit of deletionism on the wiki, which I am opposed to. I want crazies to be able to provide verification and citation. I want links to a variety of sources. Thats what I love about online information, the diversity. To summarize, I cry your pardon, and attempt to explain my POV here. Sam [Spade] 05:10, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * Thank you. Well said. -  Tεx  τ  urε  05:15, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Picture of the day
I was browsing the Wiki and stumbled upon your userpage featuring the USS Iowa photograph. That was so damn cool, I just had to say: "Thanks!!" Cribcage 14:08, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * LOL. Don't thank me... I stole it from Angela. You can add the pic-of-the-day to your own user page with  -  Tεx  τ  urε  15:08, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Why did you remove my link?
You said I vandalize articles and that you would block me. You removed my link. Why? How am I vandalizing articles? I don't understand.

 * Hi. Your only edit since March (if it is the same user on the IP) in Wikipedia was to add a link and label it "Why Wikipedia sucks. Big time." I see this as vandalism. -  Tεx  τ  urε  16:17, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Why Wikipedia sucks, Big Time was the title of the article. I copied the formating and style from the previous entry. It was linked to by six german blogs as well as three english blogs. Why do you see this as vandalism? Why did you say I vandalised article*S*?

 * I did not. I asked you not to vandalize articles. I made no mention of what or how many articles you have edited. -  Tεx  τ  urε  17:01, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

You did. You said: "Do  not  vandalize  articles. If you continue you will be blocked from editing." Try reading: "Do not beat your wife. If you continue you will be jailed." The continue sentance says that I was doing the previous part, which was vandalizing articles. I don't think I was vandalizing articles. I thought the blog article was interesting and so I linked it. Why was that vandalism?

Page duping
Thanks for sorting out my duping of the VFD page - I couldn't understand what had gone wrong there. -- DrBob 20:47, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Vanity site
Hi, Texture. You removed the link from vanity site to my personal web site (a vanity site). I just wanted to point out that it was not me who added that link. I asked for suggestions of a vanity site to link to, and another user added the link to my site. Since my web site is currently not availalble, I'm not going to make a stink about it. Your edit comment of it's removal seemed to indicate you thought I added it. :-) Peace, Frecklefoot 14:58, Jun 11, 2004 (UTC)

Request for Information About Submission Policy
Texture: I'm new to Wikipedia, but if I correctly understand what I'm seeing, you removed the link I added in Internet Trolls because it references an article I've written. Well, I can understand the need for such vigilance, but if you search Google for "Internet Trolls" (or even just "Trolls") it's the first article that appears. Did you remove the link because it links to a page I own?

I'm trying to understand Wikipedia policy, here. Obviously people can't link to every wacky page they set up. Must a link be entered by somebody other than the author? If so, isn't that like trying to compile an encyclopedia only by consulting people who aren't doing research in a particular field?

 * As community policy, it is not generally accepted that any user should add his own web pages. It is considered vanity or an advertisement for their page.  (No accusations against you but I agree with the policy to avoid all of us, including me, adding our own web pages.)  In addition, it is inadvisable to add user home pages (from AOL and such) that are not considered authority sites and can be down or changed without warning. -  Tεx  τ  urε  17:53, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Sig
Thanks, Texture. Your quick tutorial was all I needed to go ahead and explore the possibilities for custom sigs. Works (of course) like a charm. Denni 21:00, 2004 Jun 11 (UTC)
 * I'm intersted, where is this signature tutorial located? Thanks (:  siroxo 01:57, Jun 23, 2004 (UTC)
 * Cool thanks for the help! —siroχo 20:29, Jun 23, 2004 (UTC)

Speedy deletion
Hi Texture. I'm no fan of nonsense, but I wonder from the deletion log whether you've been a bit quick in one of your deletions. 29a seems to be a real group - see. It's no big deal - I'm not going to bother listing it on votes for undeletion. I just wondered what your reason was for getting rid of it. (Obviously, you've seen the whole article and I've only seen the bit that got onto the deletion log). --   ALargeElk | Talk 16:52, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * It appeared to be unsupported nonsense (not the name of the group, but the claim). Here is the content for you to evaluate for yourself. If you believe is isn't nonsense I have no objection to listing it for undeletion.  (Always better to have more people review a questionable deletion.):

 * Name of a virus group that created the first [virus] for mobile phones using the [Symbian] [OS]. They are also suposed to have written the first viruses for [.NET] and [Win64].

 * External links

 * http://29a.host.sk/main.html - The homepage of 29A

 * You can also create a new article on this topic - Tεx  τ  urε  19:13, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Deleted Link
You deleted a link I recently started and accused me of creating a link to "advertise my website". Not only do I have no part in that website (outside of the community), but my intentions were not to simply 'get more hits'. I found it interesting that there were large and informative links for other websites/communities, such as GameFAQs and even Starmen.net. I don't understand what makes this other particular site in question so different. Please enlighten me. --Fiberglass 23:42, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Apologies
I understand now why it was deleted, the policy makes sense. It seems this area is largely contraversial, and a line has to be drawn somewhere. Interestingly, that line appears to be drawn at Starmen.net, and I have to agree that my article in question went beyond that line. Sorry about all the confusion, I'm (clearly) new to this site. --Fiberglass 23:42, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

About reverting
Thank you. I inserted that punctuation and "claimed for reverting" because when i read the page, it did not show the page text, but the vandalism. Dont know if the cause is some sort of cache of anything, i just did the only good thing i could think (not saying it was the best): re-reverting the page. And after that, i managed to see the real text and not the prior vandalism, so i thought it worked well. 81.72.185.170 07:36, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Please learn how to behave here
You may revere Reagan, but please do not remove facts you are in denial of, or add your own viewpoint to the article. The so-called "economic prosperity" of the 1980's certainly helped the wealthy, but it is dubious at best that it helped anyone else. The only such arguments I have heard are rife with the typical Republican denial of actual experience and facts. In any case, wording such as "at least for the wealthy" leaves open the possibility that it helped others too. Learn to read more carefully.

Furthermore, your other edits of my text are merely removal of facts that you don't like. You seem to want a sanitized history of Reagan, but such denial and dishonesty is counter to the values of a society with a free press. (Unfortunately, this is certainly in character of Republicans, and Reagan in particular-- he continually made up booksful of fake statistics, anecdotes, and "facts" to support his errant positions. So much for the "Great Communicator".)

You are apparently a new user, since you don't seem to know what "vandalism" is. You might educate yourself at this page. You are further in violation of the standards of behavior here, by dishonestly marking some of your edits as "minor"-- go read some guidelines.

Maybe it's best if you just read articles for a while and learn how Wikipedia is supposed to work, before you mess things up too much. You yourself might try using the sandbox while you learn.

 * To anon user: Please don't vandalize articles and discuss any objections you have on the talk pages. Thank you. - Tεx  τ  urε  14:19, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Why did you leave me a comment that said you'd ban me from editing if I vandalized anymore articles? I haven't vandalized any articles, to my knowledge.

 * To Texture: Again, you don't seem to understand what "vandalism" is. Please educate yourself at the link above instead of continuing to misuse the term.  If you continue to not make sense, your comments will thenceforth be ignored.  Thank you. -- 24.4.202.208 18:43, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Reply
Adding www.runescape.com to the history of afganistan is also vandalism. Consider this your last warning. Do not vandalise articles. - Tεxτurε 00:18, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Dear Sirs,

I did not edit www.runescape.com to the history of afganistan of any how whatsoever. If I'm wrong, then please show me how this muck-up happened. --Diablo SV 00:38, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * This warning was given to User talk:203.26.24.219 for adding runescape.com to History of Afghanistan since 1992. The user's IP can be found in the page history and the exact change diff can be found here and here. -  Tεx  τ  urε  00:42, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Reply
The vandalism warning you referred to was given to User talk:203.26.24.219 for adding runescape.com to History of Afghanistan since 1992. The user's IP can be found in the page history and the exact change diff can be found here and here. - Tεx  τ  urε  00:42, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

No sorry, that was not me, and wasn't done by hands, and I don't know how it got there.

It's a mystery, or maybe someone is hacking my ip?

Reply
Are you on a wireless network? Someone could be using your network connection. (Although the probability of them also making edits on Wikipedia would be small.) Were you logged off during the suspicious edits? You can find the complete contribution history for that IP here (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=203.26.24.219). - Tεxτurε 00:53, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I was online on Wikipedia at the time but I didn't go there. I'm not on a wireless network, I don't even have a laptop.

Jim Stynes
Hi there. I note that you coincidentally deleted what was then a blank entry on Jim Stynes just as I was writing an article on him (I found his name on the "orphaned articles" list). I'm not experienced enough on the wikipedia technical whys and wherefores to know if this has implications for the article (I note that when I search for Jim Stynes, I only get some of the articles he is named on rather than the article itself), so I'm not sure whether you need to undelete or restore the article or I need to do anything before it can be found on the search apparatus. thanks in advance --Roisterer 02:45, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Reply was posted to your user page - Tεx  τ  urε  14:38, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

George W. Bush
Maybe I missed something, but what is wrong with the Mubarak quote? Has this been discussed before? Gzornenplatz 03:15, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * Reply was posted to your user page - Tεx  τ  urε  14:35, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Re: Grrrrrrr
Hey thanks, actually after coming here to your page to see how you did your signature, I saw your page, really liked it, and was inspired to make mine better. The tabs idea was stolen from you, only i did different formatting. Standing on the shoulders of giants, I am. —siroχo 03:51, Jun 24, 2004 (UTC)

I'll ask again
What article did I vandalize? Bluesmojo 13:10, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * What IP did you receive a vandal warning as? Bluesmojo hasn't made edits. -  Tεx  τ  urε  13:33, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I just registered yesterday. I've only edited a couple articles: I added a paragraph to "dobro" because I felt the article was leaving a lot out, I added a couple sentences to "Bedford, Indiana" (my hometown), and posted on the "Discussion" part of SR-388 asking if Wikipedia really needed entries about Metroid planets. That's all that I can think of. Bluesmojo 13:38, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * Where did you see a message from me? Without that I can't respond since I leave messages for many people.  I haven't left any message on your Bluesmojo account. -  Tεx  τ  urε  15:02, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

It was on the main page when I came to Wikipedia yesterday, in a little banner. It said something like "Please do not vandalize articles. If you continue you will be banned from editing." I edited the articles I mentioned above before I registered. Bluesmojo 15:16, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * I'm not familiar with any banner on the main page and I don't have the ability to create such a banner. It may be a bug.  I haven't send you any messages as Bluesmojo. Did it give a date or time? -  Tεx  τ  urε  15:20, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Nope. Actually the banner on the main page just said something like "You have a new message," or something to that effect. I had to click somewhere else to read it. I can't find it anymore. The IP would have been 216.43.143.129 or 12.222.35.23, I think. Bluesmojo 16:47, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * I checked and neither has anything on their talk pages nor any edits in their contributions that I have responded to. May have been a shared IP.  Are you on a modem that you would get a different IP each time? -  Tεx  τ  urε  16:52, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Meelar sent me a message saying it was probably a bug. I'm glad I'm not in trouble! Wikipedia is great. Bluesmojo 18:51, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

User Page
I love your user page...I hope you don't mind if I kind of steal the design Ilyanep (Talk) 21:15, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * Please do. But look at User talk:Siroxo for a good variation on it. -  Tεx  τ  urε  21:16, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

UserPage
First of all that link doesn't work ...and second of all, can you please help me figure out why the tables aren't lining up all nice on User:Ilyanep/Temp? I want some to be aligned left and others right but it ends up being a big mess. Ilyanep (Talk) 21:18, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Kind of like that, but one table is hidden like that and I want there to be two columns (no center or anything)Thanks a bunch for your help. Ilyanep (Talk) 21:24, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)'
 * Actually...that works, thanks :) Ilyanep (Talk) 21:24, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * With all the align=left and align=right your browser gets confused. Trying to line up so many confuses it on where to start the next one.  Sometimes just some breaks will fix it. -  Tεx  τ  urε  21:25, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your help
My Page is finished and in very good condition. Thanks a bunch Ilyanep (Talk) 22:36, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Minority Report and Other Stories
Hello, you know me from votes for deletion on one of my articles. The book you are reading is very good read, I especially like the story about the head of a large company that died and cannot be brought back to life using a standard technique.

The 'god' wiki article
Hi,

I am new to editing on wikipedia (infact I'm not currently registered, although I'll change that soon), and recently added a few changes to the 'god' article here. With such an obviously contentious issue it is probably best to be very open and honest from the outset. I am an atheist, and having looked at the page, I was a little dissapointed with the lack of any real references to atheism or alternatives to belief in some form of deity. As you can see from looking at the history of the page, I added a small amount about atheism (I thought not written in an aggressive style and fully within line with the rest of the article), and added a few qualifications to other areas and changed small amounts of grammar. I think what I did promoted the objectivity of the article rather than forced my particular viewpoint, or 'vandalised' in any way. I was therefore very dissapointed to see that you have withdrawn all the changes I made on the article. I am being completely honest and open about my atheism, and I would appeal to yourself and anybody else within the wikipedia community to have a look at the changes I made. I honestly do not think they appeared in any way dogmatic, and were simply an attempt to redress the balance a little and to present another alternative viewpoint.

I have to actually go now, and won't be online for a good few hours. If you would like to contact me in person please do so at: aaarrrggh_uk_1999@yahoo.com I will be happy to talk to you about this. Also, I will make an appeal myself in the community portal when I have more time. I hope this is ok. I honestly think the changes I made were in the better interests of objectivity.

Paul :)

 * Welcome, Paul. What I saw last night appeared to be vandalism and advertisement for a website.  The first few words were replaced with "follooun", which set my thoughts to vandalism.  The changes made seems so anti-god and anti-religion that it appeared to be a vandalism of the article or an attempt to be so out there as to get people to visit your web site. Other anon edits before and after the one's I reversed also seemed to be anti-god vandalism.  I may be wrong on what you are attempting to do with the article.  If I am, I apologize.  However, before you create a large addition of atheist/anti-god/anti-religious text in the article on god, may I suggest you discuss it on the Talk:God discussion page?  In addition, you may want to add your information to the Arguments against the existence of God article instead. -  Tεx  τ  urε  14:59, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I will post the answer to this on the talk:god page to avoid confusion :)

personal webpage
I'm really not quite sure what your vendetta against my page is about, but perhaps you should take a moment and realize that this page was initially added by someone at a military installation. Moreover, the linked page itself has nothing to do with me, and is both a pro and a con discussion about Reagan.

Perhaps you should losen up a bit.

 * Thanks for your concern. Wikipedia is not the place to advertise personal web pages. (No matter who began it you are advertising your page.)  Vanity postings and edits are removed as policy. -  Tεx  τ  urε  20:31, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * BTW, tell me how you chose to create your account and restore the links to your personal webpage totally by chance after the anon (certainly not you...) had it reverted? Pure chance?  Doesn't matter.  The fact that it is your personal web page makes your action vanity/advert. -  Tεx  τ  urε  20:36, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thank-you
Hi. I just wanted to thank you for swiftly deleting both of my entries on the speedy deletions page :). It's good to know that there are admins patrolling -Frazzydee 19:35, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)

title: User talk:Texture/Archive-2004 June


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User talk:Texture/Archive-2004 July

The Alternate Asphygmo-Pyramidal Syndrome
I listed it on Cleanup and Excellsior told me that it didn't belong there because it was perfect. He then removed the cleanup header, which I promptly replaced. I discovered last night that he had deleted the header again and still hadn't done any cleanup, so I re-added the header, told him to knock it off, and re-listed it on Cleanup. Rick'''K 05:11, Jul 2, 2004 (UTC)

Maharaji, not vandalism but correcting one sided POV
Texture, with regards to Maharaji, I think you made a mistake when you reverted a change that you labelled as vandalism The "vandal"/contributor just wanted to correct very one sided POV. Please be more careful with this article next time. I am involved in a dispute with user USER:Jossifresco about factual accuracy and NPOV on this article. Andries 15:02, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * I reverted an edit by anon IP 24.69.61.197 that removed what appeared to be a valid link relevant to the article. No reason was given by the anon IP for the removal.  I see that it is now being discussed on the talk page. -  Tεx  τ  urε  22:46, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * Oh, yes, now I see that you were right. The external link is, I think very insulting and unfair but should be included. The article is the most difficult and contentious one in Wikipedia that I edited until now. Andries 18:05, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Please HELP
I need your help.... On the maharaji page, anti-religion, anti-guru, skeptics and vociferous ex-followers are coluding to impose their POV. Some are accusing me and using vituperation and threats against me. One Wikipedian (Andries) is braging to the ex-followers that he can get me removed from Wikipedia. I need someone that can bring some truthful NPOV. Please? --jossi 16:11, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure what I can do for this article. I am not familiar with the subject matter and can only help when I see obvious vandalism or bias.  Most of the activity I see in the history can be argued as factual.  This needs to be hammered out in the talk page. -  Tεx  τ  urε  14:41, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

regarding User:24.66.94.140
Hi there. I'm not sure how serious you were about blocking 24.66.94.140 (you left a warning on their user page), but they have vandalised another article (Needles, California, check history as I have reverted it). -Frazzydee 01:17, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * ***UPDATE*** - the user continues to vandalize pages...please check their contributions page. -Frazzydee 01:19, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * I was away during the repeated vandalism. No one blocked him according to the log but he stopped after about a dozen vandalisms.  He seems to come back once every few weeks to do this.   -  Tεx  τ  urε  01:42, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your support
I just wanted to thank you for your support in my recent nomination to become an administrator. I really appreciate it. blankfaze | •• | •• 14:31, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Photomosaic
Actually no, although a quick look on the internet shows up at least one open source generator, and a couple of free ones - as I understand it the major issues are: 1. What to use as the pool of images to generate the mosaic from. Obviously a wide pool of images will make finding an exact tone match more likely, while a smaller pool would be more likely if you wanted related images. You can alter the tone of the images used to make them match. 2. The second major decision is what pixel size to use. Obviously, the smaller the better in terms of maintaining the quality of the original image, but consequently, the image will have to be larger to make the components visible. Let me know how you do! Feel free to blank it if you want to generate more informed comment! Mark Richards 22:13, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I need your input
I'm going to take a week off from re-inserting the allegations of rape and desertion into the Ronald Reagan article. I've replied to User:172 and made a request for mediation - but find there are a couple baby steps to follow through before I get there. I'm game if another finds my tone too catty and wants to edit me on that aspect. I strongly object to the content being deleted. I don't equate major newspapers to supermarket tabloids. You've commented on Talk:Ronald Reagan upon this topic. I'd appreciate additional input. Thanks - Sparky 03:07, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Troll
This word is utterly unhelpful, IMO, as is the concept of attempting to discern motive behind our fellow wiki's actions. This is particularly true of difficult and potentially crazy wiki's. It would be hard enough for me to attempt to discern a motive behind a given action you (a generally respected and non-erratic admin) take, much less to try and discern motivation behind an action of a troublesome and potentially crazy anon/new user. IMO troll = "person who bothers me (my friends)". I feel strongly that such "bothering" aught to be quantified and qualified, specified and penalized according to specific policy. General lack of policy enforcement (particularly regarding misbehaviours by admins) is one of the most serious problems affecting the wiki. Adding to the mayhem by allowing subjective pejoratives to be accepted as policy (Dealing with trolls) is the absolute worst answer possible, IMO. I'd have put this in the project page talk, but it seemed a substantial aside. Sam [Spade] 17:07, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

stop what now?
I'm curious how I came to receive a message telling me to stop vandalizing entries. I've never posted any content. Maybe it's a clever way of asking a repeat user to join the project? In any case I've nothing to add, so I'll just continue to anonymously use this as a reference tool-- if it's alright with you.

 * Your user talk page had no entries so any message I left for another user was not intended for you. There appears to be an occassional bug where one anonymous user gets the message that was left for another IP.  The only other explanation is that your current IP is not the one where you got the message.  In that case you may have used a non-static IP that was used by a vandal before you.  Please accept my apologies for any misunderstanding. -  Tεx  τ  urε  17:28, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

text deletion: satanism page
the text i deleted (which was then restored) didn't belong in a serious article on the subject.

i realize it's better to edit rather than delete, but those short grafs couldn't be fixed with text edits. the page has a lot of proprietary action by satanists of various factions, all trying to control how things are presented. i like those guys fine, but 'jews might say x' isn't a treatment of how 'satan' appears in the judaic theological tradition. it's someone speculating and making stuff up.

 * An example of text that needs to be in the article somewhere are references to "The great satan" pointed at western powers by some groups. Someone looking for references to this is likely to look up "satan" for references to the use in modern society.  All the paragraphs have contemporary truths (that my require edits).  Can you suggest a better way to present the same information? -  Tεx  τ  urε  21:40, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

restoring section title, same page
could you please stop restoring things long enough for the page to be edited?

i quit, btw. this page can take care of itself.

 * Are you the same user I just responded to above? The idea is to discuss changes.  The restored text was not merely JudeoChristan so I restored the title.  If the content is removed the title can be changed as well.  I am asking if you have ideas to do just that. -  Tεx  τ  urε  21:43, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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Got your message. I am going to translate it into English. I will link it to the english version of As Good As It Gets ASAP. And if it's still going to be deleted after I link it, all my hard work of trying to translate a page into a language I don't know (German) will be gone.

-WikiFan04

 * If you feel it would not be completed in time add a note to Pages needing translation into English explaining that you need more time or create a subpage under your user page to work on it, like: User:WikiFan04/So Gut Wie Es Erhält and you can move it to the article when its finished. - Tεx  τ  urε  23:44, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

It's going to be done within the next 15-20 minutes. If I put a link to So Gut Wie Es Erhält from As Good As It Gets saying it's the German translation page, will the page be deleted from Pages needing translation into English?

-WikiFan04

 * Another user indicates that it is just a machine translation of the article. Why do you think we need a german translation of an existing article in the english Wikipedia?  Should you try to create this article in the German Wikipedia? -  Tεx  τ  urε  23:48, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

re: page on 'satanism'
I'm the user who did the cuts.

It can be an uphill battle trying to work on articles like that one, because they attract users with a strong emotional connection to the topic. People will jostle and elbow each other to have their points included.

I've found that articles like that can be 'tamed' by introducing lots of specific factual data and cites. Unfortunately, that takes awhile, and my style (I've posted without an account for some time) has been to work an article up in bits. See my articles on Fender Telecaster and Oceanic Whitetip Shark for examples, and check the histories.

My idea was to knock out the section on 'satanism' in various theological traditions, because it was nearly fact-free and full of speculatives, and because there isn't any such thing in Judaism, most of Islam, and indeed much of Christianity. The notion of 'satan' appeared in the Jewish tradition only for a brief period after 300 BCE, via heavy contact with the Persians and Zoroastrianism (etc). It's a bad section topic.

If you start with Zoroaster, do another thing on Judaism and Christianity, then maybe deal with Islam separately, maybe got something. But there's already an article on 'Satan' that's a better venue.

I'm really not that interested in the topic, while the other contributors are perhaps too interested. I'd vote for knocking the text out simply because it's uninformative and often wrong. It doesn't seem necessary that anything else go there.

 * Replied to you on my talk page. V V   20:36, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Jenna Jameson
I highly doubt that user was testing. The message said "she is a prostitute and she is going to hell for it." Yeah, some test. Mike H 21:31, Jul 14, 2004 (UTC)

 * I try to give people benefit of the doubt when they make their first edits. Could be they didn't know their comment was being kept.  The test message makes it clear next time that they have been informed how to "play" properly and direct warnings start. -  Tεx  τ  urε  21:34, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * ...okay. Mike H 21:39, Jul 14, 2004 (UTC)

Test
I dont understant your message, I dont make a test. I am trallating the english wiki into catalonian wiki.

80.58.40.172 21:16, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * What article were you editing? I can't find any deletion around that time period that looks like a translation.  You should probably not perform your translation inside the english wiki.  Create your new article in the catalonian wiki. -  Tεx  τ  urε  22:01, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Dick Cheney Post
Thank you for the criticism.

However, my editing was not vandalism. Rather, it was adding context for the Vice Presiden't comment. I chose not to write "mother-fucker" because this is a free encylopedia, and I thought that by changing the wording I could keep the meaning while removing unnessecary vulgarity.

Clearly, the Senator's comments were a vulgar insult, and not to be taken literally. Likewise, I do not think Cheney meant his imperative literally.

 * I heard nothing of Leahy's remark. Can you cite a source for this information? -  Tεx  τ  urε  14:49, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * If it is true, I suggest that you not redefine the phrase as a reference to incest. The expression is merely a vulgar expletive and does not convey what the words literally mean.  Leahy was using a vulgar expression and not suggesting the exact definition to Cheney.  Make sense? -  Tεx  τ  urε  14:53, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Requests for comment/24.168.92.117
Hi. I've created Requests for comment/24.168.92.117 (Keith Wigdor). I saw that you tried talking to this user on his talk page about his edits, and I was wondering if you'd want to certify the dispute. Quadell (talk) 17:30, Jul 29, 2004 (UTC)

 * I was attempting to mediate and steer the user in a proper direction. (I honestly don't understand the subject matter under dispute.)  You should contact Guanaco or others who have had direct interactions for certification.  (I can't speak to his actions and his only comments to me were reasonably respectful.) -  Tεx  τ  urε  17:35, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

vfd
Hi there. It seems like you have a quick hand in putting articles up for vfd. Just to remind you, articles can be edited and you could put up a message like and. I am sure people are just as willing to 'help out' an article then, as they are when you put it on vfd. Yardcock 19:45, Jul 30, 2004 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure what article you are referring to. If you are responding to my summaries that say "Not a candidate for speedy deletion - please list on Votes for deletion if appropriate" then you are looking at the message I use when someone has listed an article for speedy deletion when it is not a valid candidate.  Occassionally, I will move that article to VfD because I can see that the request has merit but it still does not qualify for speedy deletion. Does that help? -  Tεx  τ  urε  19:51, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * I am referring to several messages on your talk pages in general and the article on Mary Cheney in particular. The 'lack of NPOV' was an honest mistake by a serious wikipedia member and the article was not supposed to be an advertising.

 * Point out specific items on my talk page if you wish to discuss them. Mary Cheney has improved over the original.  It was originally phrased as an advertisement solely supporting the one site and not addressing the individual for that person's own merit.  I do not agree with rewarding any article focused on a single web site rather than the topic of the article.  In my opinion, it is still not an article about Mary Cheney but rather an article about this one position she has taken that the site is against.  If it remains I hope it will improve. -  Tεx  τ  urε  20:23, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * So you are saying that by not putting an article up for deletion you are rewarding it?

 * It's an expression. I'll say it again. An article should not be focused on a single web site's position rather than the topic of the article.  It becomes an advertisement for the website and says nothing but their viewpoint. -  Tεx  τ  urε  21:18, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * I have nothing against it. Just cut people some slack and don't go so far as to put a page up for vfd when there are other options.

James Graham (American politician)
On another note, can you delete James Graham (American politician). The content had to be moved to James Graham Fair.

 * Next time you need to do that please use the "Move this page" link on the old article page so that the history of the original article is kept. I'll merge the two histories so it stays together. -  Tεx  τ  urε  21:50, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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Bowling average

In cricket, a player's bowling average is the number of runs they have conceded per wicket taken. The lower the bowling average is, the better the bowler is performing. It is one of a number of statistics used to compare bowlers, commonly used alongside the economy rate and the strike rate to judge the overall performance of a bowler.

When a bowler has taken only a small number of wickets, their bowling average can be artificially high or low, and unstable, with further wickets taken or runs conceded resulting in large changes to their bowling average. Due to this, qualification restrictions are generally applied when determining which players have the best bowling averages. After applying these criteria, George Lohmann holds the record for the lowest average in Test cricket, having claimed 112 wickets at an average of 10.75 runs per wicket.

Calculation
A cricketer's bowling average is calculated by dividing the numbers of runs they have conceded by the number of wickets they have taken. The number of runs conceded by a bowler is determined as the total number of runs that the opposing side have scored while the bowler was bowling, excluding any byes, leg byes, or penalty runs. The bowler receives credit for any wickets taken during their bowling that are either bowled, caught, hit wicket, leg before wicket or stumped.

$$\mathrm{Bowling~average} = \frac{\mathrm{Runs~conceded}}{\mathrm{Wickets~taken}}$$

A number of flaws have been identified for the statistic, most notable among these the fact that a bowler who has taken no wickets cannot have a bowling average, as dividing by zero does not give a result. The effect of this is that the bowling average cannot distinguish between a bowler who has taken no wickets and conceded one run, and a bowler who has taken no wickets and conceded one hundred runs. The bowling average also does not tend to give a true reflection of the bowler's ability when the number of wickets they have taken is small, especially in comparison to the number of runs they have conceded. In his paper proposing an alternative method of judging batsmen and bowlers, Paul van Staden gives an example of this:

"Suppose a bowler has bowled a total of 80 balls, conceded 60 runs and has taken only 2 wickets so that.. [their average is] 30. If the bowler takes a wicket with the next ball bowled (no runs obviously conceded), then [their average is] 20."

Due to this, when establishing records for bowling averages, qualification criteria are generally set. For Test cricket, the Wisden Cricketers' Almanack sets this as 75 wickets, while ESPNcricinfo requires 2,000 deliveries. Similar restrictions are set for one-day cricket.

Variations
A number of factors other than purely the ability level of the bowler have an effect on a player's bowling average. Most significant among these are the different eras in which cricket has been played. The bowling average tables in Test and first-class cricket are headed by players who competed in the nineteenth century, a period when pitches were uncovered and some were so badly looked after that they had rocks on them. The bowlers competing in the Howa Bowl, a competition played in South African during the apartheid-era, restricted to non-white players, during which time, according to Vincent Barnes: "Most of the wickets we played on were underprepared. For me, as a bowler, it was great." Other factors which provided an advantage to bowlers in that era was the lack of significant safety equipment; batting gloves and helmets were not worn, and batsmen had to be warier. Other variations are caused by frequent matches against stronger or weaker opposition, changes in the laws of cricket and the length of matches.

Records
Due to the varying qualifying restrictions placed on the records by different statisticians, the record for the lowest career bowling average can be different from publication to publication.

Test cricket
In Test cricket, George Lohmann is listed as having the superior average by each of the Wisden Cricketers' Almanack, ESPNcricinfo and CricketArchive. Though all three use different restrictions, Lohmann's average of 10.75 is considered the best. If no qualification criteria were applied at all, three players—Wilf Barber, A. N. Hornby and Bruce Murray—would tie for the best average, all having claimed just one wicket in Test matches, without conceding any runs, thus averaging zero.

ESPNcricinfo list Betty Wilson as having the best Women's Test cricket average with 11.80, while CricketArchive accept Mary Spear's average of 5.78.

One Day Internationals
In One Day Internationals, the varying criteria set by ESPNcricinfo and CricketArchive result in same player being listed as holding the record. ESPNcricinfo has the stricter restriction, requiring 1,000 deliveries whereas CricketArchive has more relaxed requirement of 400 deliveries. By both measures, Sandeep Lamichhane is the record-holder, having claimed his wickets at an average of 18.06.

In women's One Day International cricket, Caroline Barrs tops the CricketArchive list with an average of 9.52, but by ESPNcricinfo's stricter guidelines, the record is instead held by Gill Smith's 12.53.

T20 Internationals
The record is again split for the two websites for Twenty20 International cricket. In this situation ESPNcricinfo has the lower boundary, requiring just 30 balls to have been bowled, Dhruv Maisuria's average of 9.46 holds the record using those criteria. But the stricter 200 deliveries required by CricketArchive results in Andre Botha being listed as the superior, averaging 8.76.

First Class cricket
Domestically, the records for first-class cricket are dominated by players from the nineteenth century, who make up sixteen of the top twenty by ESPNcricinfo's criteria of 5,000 deliveries. William Lillywhite, who was active from 1825 to 1853 has the lowest average, claiming his 1,576 wickets at an average of just 1.54. The leading players from the twentieth century are Stephen Draai and Vincent Barnes with averages of just under twelve, both of whom claimed the majority of their wickets in the South African Howa Bowl tournament during the apartheid era.

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Arcade games project
Thanks for adding the infoboxes to the various arcade games articles. The infobox is one feature of the WikiProject Arcade Games. If you'd like to join and offer input on the project, come on over to the project and add yourself to the list of participants. Thanks again! — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:49, Aug 13, 2004 (UTC)

Note to myself
Write articles about early 3D computer games like Carrier Command, Star Glider and Star Glider 2.
 * Way ahead on you on Carrier Command.   — J I P | Talk 16:09, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Article Licensing
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To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the " " template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

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Arcade Infobox Notes/Ports
I've started a poll regarding the final decision (hopefully) of the Notes and Ports fields of Template:Infobox Arcade Game. Since you've been involved prior discussion on the WikiProject, your vote would be helpful. Poiuyt Man talk 7 July 2005 17:14 (UTC)

Frogger C64 screenshot
How do you know what version this is? There is no identification at all, not even a copyright notice. I suspect it is an unlicensed clone. Mirror Vax 19:21, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Grand Theft Auto: Vice City screenshots listed for deletion
Good day. I have listed five of you screenshots for Grand Theft Auto: Vice City in Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion (August 27) under the following reasons:

 * I found that the current screenshots were of jpeg extensions, since I had jpg images, I would probably end up submitting the screenshots as new images anyway.

 * Image:Vice-city-pc-plane.jpeg was replace by Image:GTAVC PC Helicopter over Vice Point.jpg because a helicopter would be more suitable in this screenshot, considering it was a new feature in the game. Nevertheless, I decided to take a screenshot of the chopper in roughly the same position because it turned out to be a very good vantage point.

 * Image:Vice-city-pc-night.jpeg was replaced by Image:GTAVC PC Ocean Beach at Night.jpg because it might be better to have the screenshot showing more of Ocean Drive and its row of buildings.

 * Image:Vice-city-pc-police.jpeg was replace by Image:GTAVC PC Police.jpg because there wasn't enough action in the former. The addition of a chopper and more police officers (or their dead bodies) could help. I also liked to see some reaction for Tommy Vercetti when he is being pursued by the cops, hence the shooting.

 * Image:Vice-city-pc-gang.jpeg was replaced by Image:GTAVC PC Gang Attack.jpg, because Tommy didn't appear to react to the gang's attack. Vercetti should at least be running away or shooting, shouldn't he? :D

 * Image:Vice-city-pc-morning.jpeg was replaced by Image:GTAVC PC Downtown at Dawn.jpg because it was decided that a screenshot somewhere else besides Ocean Beach would provide more variety (In this case, Downtown Vice City was picked).

This is all. :) ╫ 25 ring-a-ding  20:37, 27 August 2005 (UTC) ╫

╫ 25 ring-a-ding  12:05, 30 September 2005 (UTC) ╫

Image:Gta1-pc.jpeg has been listed for deletion.
╫ 25 ring-a-ding  ZS 17:39, 4 December 2005 (UTC) ╫

Wonder Boy
Hi there, I'm currently aiming to get the Wonder Boy article to featured article status and have been adding any information I could on the game and have been trying to make the article of encyclopedic quality. It's reaching a bit of a bursting point now, so it would be good to get some feedback on the changes. I noticed you had contributed to the series in some way or another so I thought you may be able to comment. Thanks in advance. Jamyskis Whisper, Contribs 11:13, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Gta3-pc-taxi.jpeg)
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Dear User: IMPORTANT WIKI ARCADE GAMES PROJECT NOTICE
As you should be aware the wiki arcade games project has been marked inactive and with good reason. I am trying to increase the activity of this project but first I need to know who is still actually interested. So to find out I have put inactive next to the name of every person who has put them selves down as a participant of the project. If for whatever reason you do not intend to participate in the project anymore please remove your name from the participant list altogether. If you do but not in the near future leaving inactive next to your username will be helpful. Not taking any action at all will of course lead to inactive remaining against your name on the participant list. If however you have every intention on continuing in participating in the project please come change the "inactive" next to your username to "ACTIVE" so that it is clear who does and who does not still have interest in participating in the project. Thankyou for your time. --Hybrid360 (talk) 20:07, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

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Terrorizer

Terrorizer is an American grindcore band from Los Angeles, California. It was originally formed in 1985 as Unknown Death by vocalist Oscar Garcia and guitarist Jesse Pintado. They would rename themselves Terrorizer after recruiting drummer Pete Sandoval, who remains the band's sole constant member throughout their discography, in 1986. The band's current lineup consists of Sandoval, bassist David Vincent, vocalist Brian Werner and guitarist Richie Brown. They are currently signed to Earache Records.

Terrorizer struggled to find success during their initial existence, and would disband in 1988 after Sandoval left to join Morbid Angel. They were briefly regrouped by David Vincent to record their highly influential debut album World Downfall (1989), before they split up again later that year when Pintado left to join Napalm Death. In 2005, Pintado and Sandoval reformed Terrorizer without Garcia, recording and released their second album Darker Days Ahead in 2006. Terrorizer became inactive once again due to Pintado's death only five days after the album's release on August 27, 2006. After being revived by Sandoval in 2009, Terrorizer has released two more albums, Hordes of Zombies (2012) and Caustic Attack (2018), each featuring a different lineup.

Early history (1985–1988)
In 1985, after a brief stint in a band called Majesty, Oscar Garcia began searching around the Los Angeles area for musicians he could form a band with which he could front as both a vocalist and guitarist. Garcia first met guitarist Jesse Pintado, and after helping each other with their guitar skills, the two formed a thrash metal band known as Unknown Death. Afterwards, Garcia and Pintado recruited bassist Alfred "Garvey" Estrada and a drummer mononymously known as "Fish".

Initially taking inspiration from thrash metal acts such as Slayer and Celtic Frost, Garcia and Pintado would soon decide to take Unknown Death in a faster direction, after Pintado received a demo tape featuring what would become the A-side to Napalm Death's Scum (1987). Garcia recalled: "I remember one day, [Pintado] said, 'Check this out'. And when I listened to it for the first time, I called him and said, 'That's it, that's the way I wanna play'." Fish was unable to play to the speeds that Garcia and Pintado wanted, and he soon left the band. Upon the recommendation of a friend, drummer Pete Sandoval auditioned for Unknown Death and was instantly hired. "The first beat that [Sandoval] played was a superfast beat, and when we heard that, Jesse and I looked at each other and we looked at Pete, and we were like, 'Hey man, you wanna join this band?' And he said, 'You guys haven't seen me play.' And I said, 'We've heard enough'." Sandoval's drumming style complemented Unknown Death's older songs, and Garcia felt that "everything just started to click" musically when he joined the band. Unknown Death soon changed their name to Decomposed, and then to Terrorizer, after a song of the same name by Master.

Having attainted a stable line-up, Terrorizer began playing around the Los Angeles area, performing their first show at the Hoover Recreation Centre on March 21, 1987. The band released four rehearsal/demo tapes during 1987 that were circulated throughout the underground tape-trading scene. Terrorizer were limited to performing in small venues or at backyard parties for most of their initial existence, and struggled to attract record label interest due to the speed and intensity of their music, which made them unappealing to both the heavy metal and punk rock audiences of the Los Angeles area. In the summer of 1988, with both interest in and activity within Terrorizer waning, Sandoval was presented with the opportunity to join the Florida-based death metal band Morbid Angel by the band's bassist, David Vincent. He would subsequently announce to the other members of Terrorizer during a band rehearsal with new bassist Carlos Reveles (who Garcia had played with back in Majesty) that he was leaving to join Morbid Angel, resulting in their disbandment. Garcia recalled of Sandoval's departure: "At the time I thought we [Terrorizer] were just about ready to do an album. Then one day out of the blue at a practice, Pete just busted out saying that he was leaving the band and that he was moving out of state. And that was pretty much it for us then. It was like we never had a chance."

World Downfall and disbandment (1989–2004)
In early 1989, whilst he was in England delivering the master tapes of Morbid Angel's debut album Altars of Madness to the offices of Earache Records, David Vincent discussed Terrorizer with the label's founder, Digby Pearson. Pearson told Vincent that Terrorizer had been signed to Earache before Morbid Angel were, but that he had struggled to get the band to record an album due to its members being based in differing locations. Vincent subsequently offered to regroup Terrorizer to record an album, should Earache be interested in releasing one.

In April 1989, Garcia and Pintado travelled to Tampa, Florida, where both Vincent and Sandoval were based, to record Terrorizer's debut album World Downfall. The band spent two weeks of "[rehearsing] all the songs like crazy" to make them sound as tight as they could be (according to Vincent) before going into Morrisound Recording, where they recorded and mixed the album in the space of three days with engineer Scott Burns. According to Burns, the album was recorded on a budget of $1,200. Pintado played all of the guitars on the album at Garcia's insistence, as he had not played guitar for six months and did not want to hold up recording. Furthermore, as Terrorizer did not have a bassist at the time and because Pintado and Garcia did not have any bass equipment, Vincent ended up playing bass on the album. Although he is credited as both the producer of World Downfall and Terrorizer's bassist in the album's liner notes, Vincent later claimed that he "just played on the record" and was not an official member of the band (at that point).

World Downfall was released via Earache on November 13, 1989. Shortly before the album's release, Pintado left Terrorizer to join Napalm Death, before the start of the band's Grindcrusher Tour in November 1989. With Vincent and Sandoval refocusing their attention on Morbid Angel—who were also participating in the Grindcrusher Tour as a supporting act (along with Carcass and Bolt Thrower)—Terrorizer disbanded for a second time. Garcia subsequently returned to his other band, Nausea. In the 2018 documentary film Slave to the Grind: A Film About Grindcore, Sandoval said of Terrorizer's disbandment:"'There was not a lot of interest in Terrorizer, and plus, these other bands, for us, were big bands, y'know. Morbid Angel, they had like, a beginning of a history, you know what I mean? So it was something cool, nice for me to join. And then Napalm Death, another big band... so it was what it was supposed to be, man.'"World Downfall has retrospectively been seen as one of the classics of early grindcore. Morbid Angel would later incorporate the album track "Dead Shall Rise" into their setlists during their tours in support of Blessed Are the Sick (1991), which Vincent said the band were happy to do as "half of Morbid Angel had been in Terrorizer". Although Terrorizer were still under contract for another album with Earache, attempts to make another album with the World Downfall line-up of the band were unsuccessful due to its members' conflicting schedules. Garcia claims not to have talked to Sandoval since Terrorizer's disbandment.

Later history and albums. disbandment and reformation (2005–present)
In 2005, after leaving Napalm Death, Pintado agreed to reform Terrorizer with Sandoval to release another album, Darker Days Ahead, through Century Media Records in August 2006. Garcia declined to join the reunion due to creative differences with Pintado, who wanted him to leave Nausea—he was subsequently replaced by Anthony Rezhawk. Tony Norman also joined the band on guitar and bass; Pintado had been recording and playing shows with Rezhawk's band Resistant Culture and asked him to join Terrorizer. Pintado would die five days after the album's release due to liver failure.

In 2009, Terrorizer released a new demo track, "Hordes of Zombies", on its MySpace page. In June 2011, Terrorizer signed to Season of Mist, and released its third album, Hordes of Zombies, on February 28, 2012. Resistant Culture guitarist Katina Culture replaced Pintado and David Vincent rejoined on bass.

In November 2012, Sandoval announced that Terrorizer started writing new material for their next album. The fourth album Caustic Attack was released in 2018 under The End Records.

On August 9, 2021, Earache Records announced a new worldwide record deal with Terrorizer, as well as revealing that a new album was in the works.

On January 22, 2023, Sandoval announced the split of Terrorizer and would shift his attention to his other band I Am Morbid. However, on August 12, Sandoval reformed Terrorizer with Vincent, alongside former Vital Remains vocalist Brian Werner and guitarist Richie Brown.

Terrorizer LA
In 2014, Oscar Garcia was invited by Jesse Pintado's sister to put together a new lineup of Terrorizer (his version known as Terrorizer LA or TLA) for a festival celebrating what would have been Jesse Pintado's 45th birthday. He asked fellow Nausea member Leon del Muerte (Murder Construct) to play guitar, and shortly afterward Cosmo Reveles, Rick Cortez (Sadistic Intent) and Mike Caffell (Dreaming Dead, Exhausted Prayer) were recruited to fill out the band. The band continues to play under the Terrorizer LA name.

Before The Downfall, a collection of demos and unreleased material, was released by FOAD Records in 2015.

Band members

 * Current line-up
 * Pete Sandoval – drums (1986–1989, 2005–2006, 2009–2023, 2023–present)
 * David Vincent – bass (1989, 2011–2013, 2023–present)
 * Brian Werner – vocals (2023–present)
 * Richie Brown – guitars (2023–present)

 * Previous members
 * Oscar Garcia – vocals (1985–1989), guitars (1985–1988)
 * Alfred "Garvey" Estrada – bass (1986–1988)
 * Carlos Reveles – bass (1988)
 * Jesse Pintado – guitars (1985–1989, 2005–2006; his death)
 * Tony Norman – bass (2005–2006, 2009–2011)
 * Sam Molina – bass, vocals (2013–2023)
 * Anthony Rezhawk – vocals (2005–2006, 2009–2013)
 * Katina Culture – guitars (2009–2013)
 * Lee Harrison – guitars (2013–2023)
 * "Fish" – drums (1986)

Discography

 * Studio albums
 * World Downfall (1989)
 * Darker Days Ahead (2006)
 * Hordes of Zombies (2012)
 * Caustic Attack (2018)

 * Split releases
 * Terrorizer / Nausea (1987)

 * Demos
 * Nightmares (1987)
 * Demo '87 (1988)

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