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The Fiske part
Seems to be a wrong interpretation of vertical intertextuality. Horizontal, in Fiske's words, is "that between a primary text, such as a television program or series, and other texts of a different type that refer explicitly to it. These may be secondary texts such as studio publicity, journalistic features, or criticism, or tertiary texts produced by the viewers themselves in the form of letters to the press or, more importantly, of gossip and conversation" (television culture, p.108). What lead to the mistake is probably an overinterpretation of the "other texts of a different type"-segment. Additionally, the seperate entry on John Fiske doesn't make it appear as if he's Danish. Thought I'd put it here.

Intertextuality vs Breaking the fourth wall
Aren't these concepts closely related? B4thWall could be mentioned here if that is the case. Just thinking. 134.106.199.15 —Preceding comment was added at 17:10, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

From Votes for deletion
Contains nothing but a quotation and a link. Redirect to Kristeva. RickK 23:53, Aug 8, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Important concept that wouldn't be illuminated by a link to Julia Kristeva. I agree that it needs work; I'll start by adding some "see also" links. Wikisux 00:36, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Keep, at least for a week or so - the page was just created today. -Seth Mahoney 01:22, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I just had my gag reflex triggered by seeing Kristeva's name again. Keep it.  The concept is important to post-modernism and tens of thousands of black-clad grad students weaving around a keg.  (Sheesh, I can't even manage to not be sarcastic with this.)  Keep the page.  I'm not the guy to expand it. Geogre 02:35, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * This is a major movement in literary criticism, and we need to have an article on it. This entry needs a lot of work, but it's important. Keep. -FZ 13:12, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * It is a major concept. I'm not sure, though, that a Kristeva-only approach would do it, as, although it was her coinage, there are a lot of other literary theory terms for the same basic thing, and I hope that whoever does do the expansion includes dialogic, for example, and the Reader Response and Reception Aesthetic notions of the open work (which is intertextual).  Geogre 22:09, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Needs cleanup, but is definitely encyclopedic. Should not be redirected to Julia Kristeva unless Id is to be redirected to Freud and Deconstruction to Jacques Derrida as well. Snowspinner 02:11, Aug 10, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep but cleanup ScottyBoy900Q 13:58, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. See The Seagull for a perfectly sane example. Charles Matthews 19:01, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Hyacinth 22:14, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Neutrality 22:33, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep... so if someone really creates a new page, you immediately put it on vfd? After all, if the original writer didn't write it perfect the first time, it's shit and it has to be started over... right? --Lussmu 08:25, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

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needs some more contextualization (ironically enough)
Intertextuality isn't universally agreed to be some particular thing, and it isn't universally agreed what role (if any) it should play in analysis. I'm mostly familiar with criticism of the term, but it seemed weird to add a "Criticisms" section when there was hardly anything from the "Pro" side in the first place, so I'm holding off on that until hopefully someone with a more favorable view of intertextuality adds some citations/explanations of the "Pro" side. For future reference, this is a pretty good article expounding the viewpoint that it is an ill-defined and incoherent term: --Delirium 21:05, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * William Irwin (2004). Against intertextuality.  Philosophy and Literature 28(2): 227-242.  (Online abstract.)

Thanks for this reference; I used it in an edit today, but I'm sure there's more that could be gotten out of it. Hickoryhillster 18:15, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Extra examples in pop culture section
Added a bit of balance in pop culture section along with extra examples. Frelaras 21:57, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Hypertext
A Hypertext as can be found in the internet is NOT the same as a hypertext in the field of transtextuality. will take care of it as soon as i find the time.

The above unsigned comment was posted by 194.95.210.197 at 10:19, 29 November 2006 194.95.210.197 I moved this comment from the "From Wikipedia:Votes for deletion", since it doesn't seem to be from the deletion discussion. On the substance of the comment: It's true that "hypertext" means something differently (namely, a hypertext is one that refers to another text in a way other than commentary, according to Gennette). However, it's probably also true that some critics have considered internet hypertextuality as intertextual, although I can't think of any references.

Hickoryhillster 01:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Hypertext suffers from almost as vague a definition as intertextuality does, so it's not surprising that there'd be disagreement or confusion in that regard... the relationship of two ill-defined terms is bound to be ill-defined. :) Here's a paper that surveys some of the historical and often conflicting definitions of "hypertext" (it's not solely a survey paper, but it includes a good survey nonetheless). --Delirium 15:31, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Differentiation of Intertextualities
While the article mentions that there are many different views of what intertextuality is, there is no delineation between those various views beyond this mention. For a better article I suggest that the different definitions of intertextuality be recognized along with its specific movement or prime user. 64.22.242.241 01:03, 3 May 2007 (UTC) goodtim

I think it is also important to draw a distinction between a mere "reference" to another work (e.g., a mention of the name of a book, movie, song, etc. within another work) and an actual intertextual use of an idea, citation, allusion, motif, or symbol from another work in order to make a point or reinterpret an earlier work. I don't think most of the examples mentioned under Pop Culture would qualify as the latter. A movie or TV show which has a character simply mention that he watched "Star Wars" last night, is not necessarily using intertextuality. That is merely a reference that might be intended to lend verisimilitude, but nothing more. But, if a movie or TV show uses the "I'm your father" line from Star Wars in a way that plays on the original meaning, or that intends to evoke a similar ethos to the original usage, that might be considered intertextual.RhondaGC 19:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)RhondaGC

rmv "Intertextuality in pop culture" section

 * The entire "Intertextuality in pop culture" section is (or was, more accurately) totally unreferenced and thus is WP:OR that violates WP:V.
 * Even more unforgivable/laughable, the editors of this section have no clue as to the difference between intextuality and allusion. The examples given are uniformly the latter; they do not even belong in this article. Ling.Nut (talk) 08:15, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Examples and history of intertextuality
The term "history of intertextuality" is a rather inflated title. All this section has by way of history is a discussion of intertextuality in the bible, then an unrelated section on plagiarism, using only one example. A "history of intertextuality" has to establish that the devise was first used in the Bible (something the writer tacitly avoids), and then discuss its various uses in different times, since, and possibly before. Otherwise, "Examples" is just enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.97.1.128 (talk) 05:43, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Some theoretical texts that will help in expanding this page
I personally do not have the time, but anyone interested in making this thread a bit more useful should check the following recent scholarly monographs: Mary Orr's Intertextuality: Debates and Contexts: http://www.worldcat.org/title/intertextuality-debates-and-contexts/oclc/51477027&referer=brief_results

and Marko Juvan's History and Poetics of Intertextuality: http://www.worldcat.org/title/history-and-poetics-of-intertextuality/oclc/261176641&referer=brief_results

155.135.55.233 (talk) 00:56, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

An external wiki page with thorough bibliography directly on topic
Researching this topic I stumbled across Georgetown U's "Narrative" wiki, which has a very complete bibliography on Intertextuality. I did not think it correct to swipe the contents altogether and don't have the time right now to work on the page, so I wanted to include it as a placeholder for future contributions: http://narrative.georgetown.edu/wiki/index.php/Intertextuality. Wichitalineman (talk) 15:19, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Class project
Hi, everyone! Just a heads up -- I'll be working on this article for the next few weeks. I'm planning on changing some of the language to read more like a Wikipedia article rather than an essay. Let me know if you have other ideas! Kschmick (talk) 01:50, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

= Large restructure =

I reordered most of the content and combined sections that seemed to overlap. Hopefully, the layout feels a bit more logical now. Here's the old layout if anyone is curious: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Intertextuality&oldid=822578179 Kschmick (talk) 01:59, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Did Kristeva write "living hell of hell on earth"?
Today I happened to look up a quotation from Kristeva's book: I noticed that a later quotation in the article refers to this same page in Desire in Language, but that the quotation does not actually appear on that page. The quotation is "living hell of hell on earth" and the citation is simply, "Kristeva, 66". Perhaps it's a different Kristeva piece, but Googling around a bit I could not find it. So, did Kristeva actually write "living hell of hell on earth" in Desire in Language? --Jeremy Butler (talk) 22:46, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Writing Studies approach to Intertextuality
Earlier today I proposed some substantial additions to the Intertextuality page to give clearer presence to the writing studies approach to this topic which is distinctly different than the literary studies approach which is largely presented here. Mr. Ollie (automated review) pulled the proposed changes and asked for review articles and no self-citation. This latter is difficult as I am myself editor and or author of the major review pieces on this subject and am also editor of the volume in which some of the seminal articles appeared. I will propose another revision to try to remedy some of the difficulties, but I need to explain my choices. i would also like a of this next version, as some self-citation is inevitable.

I did not contest any existing statements, though I did move a few sentences for coherence. Rather I added a few sentences at the beginning and then added a new section in the bottom half labelled "Writing Studies" In the top section there were no self-citations, and the references were to classic works of Bakhtin and Volosinov. I will replace these with xrefs to the Wikipedia pages for these authors. I will make these top section edits as one edit.

As a separate edit I will make a slimmed down version of the Writing Studies section. I will remove all the mentions on which I was editor, though this would mean removing some key articles. But I will need to keep one citation as warrant for a key statement in the lead sentence. As this is a review article, it would hard to support this point without the article. The alternative would be to leave the claim uncited, which I am willing to do.

While we are discussing this I would like to ask you about a more overarching matter. As I am sole editor of the Handbook of Research on Writing: History, Society, School, Individual, Text. (Erlbaum/ Routledge, 2008). As it would be difficult for me to contribute as an area expert without relying on this volume (it covers many topics not covered in more narrowly focused handbooks on writing), I need guidance on how to proceed. Methodical 22:49, 17 August 2019 (UTC)Charles Bazerman, CBazerman — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbazerman (talk • contribs) 22:49, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Reply 17-AUG-2019
Regards, Spintendo  01:34, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
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Tono

Tono, Tōno or Toño may refer to:

Places

 * Tōnō, the southeastern portion of Gifu Prefecture, Japan
 * Tōno, Iwate, a city in Iwate Prefecture, Japan
 * Tono, Washington, a ghost town in the state of Washington, United States
 * Tono Dam, agricultural dams in Ghana
 * Tono River, a river in Oecussi, East Timor
 * Tōno Station, a Kamaishi Line railway station in Tōno, Iwate, Japan
 * Pasar Tono, a town in Oecussi-Ambeno, East Timor

People

 * Tono (name)

Literature

 * Tono-Bungay, a 1909 novel by H.G. Wells
 * Tōno Monogatari, a collection of folk tales from the Tōno, Iwate, Japan area, collected by Kunio Yanagita

Other uses

 * Tono, a Japanese honorific, see Japanese honorifics
 * Tonos, an accent mark used in the Greek alphabet
 * Tono humano, one of the main genres of 17th Century Spanish and Portuguese music
 * TONO, a Norwegian corporation that administers copyrights for music in Norway
 * Recto tono, Latin phrase related to church liturgy and music
 * Tono to Issho, Japanese manga

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Mizusawa

Mizusawa may refer to:

 * Mizusawa (surname)
 * Mizusawa, Iwate, former city in Iwate Prefecture, Japan
 * Mizusawa Domain, feudal domain in Mutsu Province, Japan
 * Mizusawa Station, train station in Iwate, Japan
 * 7530 Mizusawa, main-belt asteroid

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Vote-by-mail in Oregon

The U.S. state of Oregon established vote-by-mail as the standard mechanism for voting with Ballot Measure 60, a citizen's initiative, in 1998. The measure made Oregon the first state in the United States to conduct its elections exclusively by mail. The measure passed on November 3, 1998, by a margin of 69.4% to 30.6%. Political scientists say Oregon's vote by mail system contributes to its highest-in-the-nation rate of voter turnout, at 61.5% of eligible voters.

History of postal voting in Oregon
Vote-by-mail had already been implemented to a lesser degree in Oregon:
 * 1981 The Oregon Legislative Assembly approves vote-by-mail for local elections, at the discretion of the county; at least one polling place in the county had to remain open on election day. The move came after efforts by Del Riley, the County Clerk for Linn County.
 * 1987 Vote-by-mail becomes permanent, with the majority of Oregon's counties making use of it.
 * 1989 A House bill to extend vote-by-mail to include the 1990 primary elections was defeated in a 33–27, non-party-line vote.
 * 1992 Governor's Task Force on Local Government Services identifies statewide vote-by-mail as one of the most significant opportunities to save money on conducting elections.
 * 1995 Oregon becomes the first state to conduct a federal primary election totally by mail.
 * 1996 U.S Senator Ron Wyden is elected by mail with a 66% turnout, succeeding Bob Packwood. ''
 * 1998 Oregonians confirm their overwhelming support for vote-by-mail by passing Measure 60.
 * 2000 Oregon becomes the first state in the nation to conduct a presidential election entirely by mail. About 80% of registered voters participated.
 * 2019 Oregon becomes the first state not to require paid postage on ballot return envelopes.

Measure 60 eliminated restrictions on vote-by-mail and established it as the single form of voting for elections in Oregon. It also required vote-by-mail to be used for biennial primaries and general elections as well as eliminating polling places.

Supporters
Organizations which supported the initiative included the League of Women Voters of Oregon, the Oregon League of Conservation Voters, AARP of Oregon, and Oregon Education Association. Individuals which supported the measure included then-Governor John Kitzhaber, Oregon Secretary of State Phil Keisling, and former U.S. Senator Mark Hatfield. Supporters of the measure asserted that it would increase voter participation and make elections more convenient for voters. The State of Oregon would also save an estimated $3 million a year, in years which a primary and general election occur.

Opponents
Notable opposition to the measure included State Representative Lynn Snodgrass and anti-tax activist Bill Sizemore. Opponents claimed the system would invite election fraud as well as the possibility of people pressuring each other in terms of how they vote.

Lasting popularity
Vote-by-mail in Oregon has maintained a high level of support since it was passed in 1998. A survey done in 2003 by Dr. Priscilla Southwell, a professor of Political Science at University of Oregon, shows that 81% of respondents favored the vote-by-mail system while 19% favored traditional voting at poll booths. The poll also shows high favorability among registered Democrats (85%) and registered Republicans (76%) alike. Thirty percent of respondents said they voted more often since vote-by-mail was enacted.

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Minnie Marx

Minnie Marx (born Miene Schönberg, 9 November 1864 – 13 September 1929) was the mother and manager of the Marx Brothers, a family of top-billed vaudevillians, top Broadway stars and, finally, film stars. She was also the sister of comedian and vaudeville star Al Shean.

Early life
Marx was born Miene Schönberg in Dornum, Kingdom of Hanover. Her parents Fanny née Salomons (1829–April 10,1901) and Levy "Lafe" Schönberg (1823–1919) were members of the local Jewish community. Her mother was a yodeling harpist, her father a ventriloquist. Her younger brother, Abraham Elieser Adolf, the future "Al Shean," was born in 1868.

About 1880 the family immigrated to New York City, where Minnie married Samuel "Frenchie" Marx in 1884.

Her son Manfred died in infancy in 1886. Her other children were Leonard Joseph (born 1887), Adolph (1888), Julius (1890), Milton (1892) and Herbert (1901), who would grow up to perform as the Marx Brothers.

Career
While managing the Marx Brothers, she went under the name of Minnie Palmer, so that booking agents would not know that the agent representing the Marx Brothers was their mother. She played the harp.

As a tribute to her, all the brothers' daughters were given names that began with 'M': Chico with Maxine; Harpo with Minnie; and Groucho with Miriam and Melinda. Gummo and Zeppo had no daughters.

Minnie lived long enough to see her sons' 1929 film debut in The Cocoanuts, but died later that year of a stroke.

Death
Marx died from a stroke on September 13, 1929, aged 64. She was buried at Mount Carmel Cemetery in Glendale, Queens. When her husband died four years later, he was buried next to her.

In popular culture
Marx and some of her sons appear briefly as characters in Glen David Gold's novel Carter Beats the Devil; the narrative identifies her as Minnie Palmer, and only gradually offers clues that the struggling vaudeville act traveling with her are the later-famous Marx Brothers. Marx (played by Shelley Winters) was also the main character in the stage musical Minnie's Boys.

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Miyako

Miyako may refer to:

Places in Japan

 * Miyako, Iwate, a city in Iwate Prefecture
 * Miyako Islands
 * Miyako Island
 * Miyakojima, Okinawa, a city of the Miyako Islands
 * Miyako, Fukuoka, a town in Fukuoka Prefecture
 * Miyako and Kyō no Miyako, former names of Kyoto

Other use

 * Miyako (given name)
 * Miyako language, a Ryukyuan dialect spoken on Miyako Island and other nearby islands
 * Miyako Pony, a breed of pony originating from Miyako island in Japan
 * Japanese cruiser Miyako, an unprotected cruiser of the Imperial Japanese navy

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Kitakami

Kitakami may refer to:
 * Kitakami, Iwate, a city in Iwate Prefecture, Japan
 * Kitakami Station, a JR train station in Kitakami
 * Kitakami Line, a JR railway line in Iwate Prefecture, Japan
 * Kitakami Stadium, an athletic stadium in Kitakami
 * Kitakami River, a river that flows through Iwate and Miyagi Prefectures in Japan
 * Kitakami Mountains
 * Japanese cruiser Kitakami, a former cruiser in the Imperial Japanese Navy
 * Kitakami, the fictional area where The Teal Mask, the first part of Pokémon Scarlet and Violet: The Hidden Treasure of Area Zero, takes place

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Resistentialism

Resistentialism is a jocular theory to describe "seemingly spiteful behavior manifested by inanimate objects", where objects that cause problems (like lost keys, printers, or a runaway bouncy ball) are said to exhibit a high degree of malice toward humans. The theory posits a war being fought between humans and inanimate objects, and all the little annoyances that objects cause throughout the day are battles between the two. The concept was not new in 1948 when humorist Paul Jennings coined this name for it in a piece titled "Report on Resistentialism", published in The Spectator that year and reprinted in The New York Times; the word is a blend of the Latin res ("thing"), the French résister ("to resist"), and the existentialism school of philosophy. The movement is a spoof of existentialism in general, and Jean-Paul Sartre in particular, Jennings naming the fictional inventor of Resistentialism as Pierre-Marie Ventre. The slogan of Resistentialism is "Les choses sont contre nous" ("Things are against us").

Similar concepts
As discussed regarding the history of Murphy's law and of similar laws or corollaries such as Finagle's law and Sod's law, the perceived perversity of the universe has long been a subject of comment, and the concept may be as old as humanity. Examples from literature include the following:

 * The autobiography of American businessman A.B. Farquhar records that soon after he first came to York, Pennsylvania, in 1856, one of the friends he met there "was reading in a magazine an article that set up the natural perversity of inanimate things. I entered into an argument with her. I urged that Nature was not cruel but kind, and that there was no perversity."
 * Friedrich Theodor Vischer (1807–1887), in his novel Auch Einer, first published in 1879, developed the concept of Die Tücke des Objekts (the spite of the object), a comic theory that inanimate objects conspire against humans.
 * M. R. James (1862–1936), in his horror short story "The Malice of Inanimate Objects", first published in 1933, prefigures Jennings' theories, but suggests a more sinister aspect to the phenomenon involving supernatural sentience and malevolence.
 * In the 1920s Theodore M. Bernstein formulated what he jocularly called Bernstein's first law, which is that small dropped objects, such as cufflinks, will be found only in the place most inaccessible for retrieval.
 * Writing in 1942, Louise Dickinson Rich mentioned the idea in a way plainly suggesting that it was not novel. Describing efforts to clear ground of brush and large stones for vegetable growing, she said facetiously, "I do believe in the malevolence of the inanimate, and of all inanimate objects, stones are the most malevolent."
 * Resistentialism is the basis for the poem "Nightmare Number Three" by Stephen Vincent Benét, which was dramatized by George Lefferts for the 1950s radio drama series X Minus One.
 * In Clifford D. Simak's science fiction short story "Skirmish", first published in 1950, machines start to become self-aware and revolt against human control.
 * In Avram Davidson's science fiction short story "Or All the Seas with Oysters", first published in 1958, inanimate objects breed and undergo metamorphosis.
 * The concept appears in the Discworld novels of English author Terry Pratchett, where it is referred to as malignity or malignance; one practical example the author gives is the tendency of garden hoses, no matter how carefully one coils and stores them, to unloop themselves overnight and tie the bicycle to the lawnmower. It is associated with Pratchett's Auditors of Reality, and possibly also with Anoia, whom he describes as a "goddess of things that stick in drawers."
 * Thomas Pynchon's novel V. features the character of Benny Profane, who is under the impression that he can only deal successfully with animate objects. Throughout the novel, the dividing line between animate and inanimate objects become blurred, such as the Bad Priest, who is mostly machine, a talking protective suit named SHROUD, and sewer-dwelling alligators who are aware that they were intended to be toy pets for children.
 * Farin Urlaub's single "Dusche" is a rock song in which the singer believes the contents of his house are planning to assassinate him.

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Pasiphae group

The Pasiphae group is a group of retrograde irregular satellites of Jupiter that follow similar orbits to Pasiphae and are thought to have a common origin.

Their semi-major axes (distances from Jupiter) range between 22.6 and 24.3 million km (similar range as the Carme group), their inclinations between 141.5° and 157.3°, and their eccentricities between 0.22 and 0.44.

The members of the Pasiphae group are:

The International Astronomical Union (IAU) reserves names ending in -e for all retrograde moons.

Origin
The Pasiphae group is believed to have been formed when Jupiter captured an asteroid which subsequently broke up after a collision. The original asteroid was not disturbed heavily: the original body is calculated to have been 60 km in diameter, about the same size as Pasiphae; Pasiphae retains 99% of the original body's mass. However, if Sinope belongs to the group, the ratio is much smaller, 87%.

Unlike the Carme and Ananke groups, the theory of a single impact origin for the Pasiphae group is not accepted by all studies. This is because the Pasiphae group, while similar in semi-major axis, is more widely dispersed in inclination. Alternatively, Sinope might be not a part of the remnants of the same collision and captured independently instead. The differences of colour between the objects (grey for Pasiphae, light red for Callirrhoe and Megaclite) also suggest that the group could have a more complex origin than a single collision.

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