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User talk:Night Gyr/archive

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hey thanks for letin me kno about http://encyclopedia dramatica.com not bein 2 popular here.....anyway peace

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pizzahead2 (talk • contribs) 05:49, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

Ferg of AirFerg
Can you please tell me why you removed the reference to the AirFerg spoof of Pimp My Ride on the Pimp_My_Ride page? There was nothing incomprehensible about what was there, and I'm not sure what your motivation to remove it was?

Brian1975
I have to say, I'm not entirely thrilled by your comment about keeping me out of the rest of Wikipedia. Have I actually made any edits that bother you? Or is it a reaction to my keeping a tight reign on John, which I think is justifiable considering his history and the way he's acting. Snowspinner 13:47, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)

 * "Image:Saddam press conference
 * You list this image as being GFDL, but provide no source, so there's nothing to support the claim that it's been released under that license. Where did you draw the image from? If it was Military, it's PD. Night Gyr 17:33, 20 July 2005 (UTC)"

I took the image. I was at the press conference. It is my image to license as I please. Brian1975 19:30, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Silkworm missile
''This picture was taken from, if I'm not mistaken, but it's blurrier and larger than the original picture, so I'm guessing you upsized and stretched it. Wouldn't you be better off just using the original picture in a straight conversion to jpeg, cropped if necessary? The upsizing seems to have hurt the image quality significantly. Night Gyr 10:11, 2 October 2005 (UTC)''

Hi from Adrian! I did put the pic on WP (in 2003) but have no memory of where I got it or how I processed it. I only upload my own pics now, taken with my own camera. So you are welcome to process or change the original as you wish. Thanks for writing - Adrian Pingstone 14:20, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Paul W Klipsch
Why did you revert back to copywrite violation page? I already spoke to an administrator and he told me to either put back the link to the page or just delete the page entirely. If you are not sure what is happening, please do not edit the page. YCCHAN 15:24, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

- Yes I blanked the page before however I corrected it with a link...but since it is reverted again, I will leave it there for deletion. YCCHAN 23:27, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

possible reason for deleting Ionian School article
The fact that this article was in several encyclopedias does not mean that it is not inherently misleading. Referring to any group of philosophers whose only common attribute was geography as a school is misleading--they didn't all agree with each other, and were from several different time periods in Ancient Greece. Perhaps this usage is sufficiently common that it should be retained in Wikipedia as a stub to point at schools of philosophy which are not arbitrary classifications. Anyway, I challenge anyone to come up with a different reason than geography for including all these philosophers in a 'school'.

So, that is what is wrong with me. WhiteC 02:27, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

you too?
Are you the same Night Gyr that use to post on Protest warriors?
 * yep.

LOL CD here.

I left that freak show after getting them to vote in a poll that 80% of PW is made up of gay hookers.

Image:MS-DOS icon.png
WRT "icons are supposed to be pixelated, that's the way they originally were" — why then resample it using advanced algorithms? Nearest neighbor would preserve most of its original appearance.

But the real questions is, why at all does the icon have to be doubled in size? Why not keep it at 32x32? --tyomitch 14:25, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * If I replace the image with the original 32x32 icon, will that be OK? --tyomitch 18:41, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I just don't like the job that 2xSaI did. It seems plain ugly to me.
 * Now, what about doubling the size without resampling? --tyomitch 18:51, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Mickey Finn
Don't understand; I used the "Move" tab. Is there some other way to have done it? Thanks for any info. If you want to move it to Mickey Finn (drug), that's certainly OK. We just shouldn't leave it as the primary entry when there are others, including someone by that name. -- Tenebrae 17:18, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi. Not having heard back in several days, I have -- hopefully correctly this time, using the "Move" tab, and checking to see that the history was moved as well -- moved "Mickey Finn" to "Mickey Finn (drugs)" in order that it not be a primary reference for a subject heading with two other meanings, one of which is an actual person by that name. -- Tenebrae 19:08, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

AK-56
Hi, I responded to your message on my talk page. --Pravit 03:31, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

AFD protocol
When nominating for deletion, don't forget to use  instead of just. Cheers  —Quarl (talk) 2006-01-25 09:49Z

Any idea
how to deal with Rhobite? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 132.241.245.49 (talk • contribs).
 * Grazon, I don't have a problem with you. But when you add your opinion to articles, such as adding Category:Persecution to Ann Coulter, I'm going to remind you of the WP:NPOV policy. Rhobite 01:54, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Warning/disclamer - fault composite image
It seemed appropriate to add the warning, especially since one of the images was low-resolution and should not be relied upon for property purchace, etc. The purpose of creating the image was to illustrate how urban regions have been built over rubble zones. Rather than crop the image you could re-create from the sources should you wish - I would take no resposibility other that to suggest to you that presenting this composite image lacking the warning is (in my opinion) a bad idea. A more appropriate way to answer your objections would be to present the two images side by side or vertically stacked and scaled appropriately for comparison without comment as to the intended use. As the warning on the current version does not obscure the salient information its size and location does not appear to me to be relevant to the discussion. Please respond on my page, this comment duplicated there. Thanks, Leonard G. 05:58, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Project HDTP
Thanks for the advice. I was being overzealous.--Drat (Talk) 13:38, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/List of interesting or unusual place names (2nd nomination)
Despite the overwhelming support for keeping the list in article namespace, the above relisting was closed early. At Deletion review, the deletion is being reviewed once more (to restore the list from Wikipedia to article namespace (it's currently at List of interesting or unusual place names). -- User:Docu

O.K. Corral image
Thanks for cleaning up the images, but you resurrected an image I didn't want. You perhaps didn't notice that I was trying to delete one of them that was marked erroneously with an X in the wrong place. I was trying to get two images of the same site with X on one (which would obscure the real photo minimally), and white on the other (which would be more clear), but take out some historical area. Both images should be the same, otherwise. I'll point out which is the bad one, and link only the other. If you can't find, the good one with the X in the right place, I'll put it up later. Sbharris 07:48, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Please revert bulldozing of ship decom articles
I appreciate your desire to help with the decom articles, but I don't think we should be so quick to merge the lists. I was perhaps too strong worded in my initial response on my page, and I hope you won't take it wrong, but I do believe firmly that the yearly listings will have sufficient entries to warrant their maintenance as is. Having to break them up along the way presents a host of problems and extra work. Josh 20:31, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Ship decom articles
I appreciate your desire to help with the decom articles, but I don't think we should be so quick to merge the lists. I was perhaps too strong worded in my initial response on my page, and I hope you won't take it wrong, but I do believe firmly that the yearly listings will have sufficient entries to warrant their maintenance as is. Having to break them up along the way presents a host of problems and extra work. Josh 20:31, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Image:Coun height.jpg
Thank you for thinking that the graph idea is helpful. You see ugly compression artifacts. That's the way Office works as the graph comes from XL : copied the first 20 on the list, tried "Insert - Graph", saved ... no external format provided! I had to snapshoot, open MSPaint and save a .jpg. My Photoshop version ignores .pngs and I still can't see how to carry the graph to it ... Any idea ? Else you or someone may delete images like that and make nicer ones (tallest churches, human height), thanks.

P.S. Night Gyr, have you seen this ? --DLL 22:23, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

On [[Image:Bonneville Salt Flats Speed racer.jpg]]
On User talk:Dino, you note a problem with an image, . I found the same image on a Utah US gov't site. Removed copyright notice.

dino 19:43, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

In that case, I guess Image:Bonneville Salt Flats Speed racer.jpg is toast. I couldn't find a copyright-free version. Reverted my changes to the image page. So goes.

dino 19:56, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Ramatis
If you gave up because of the whole 2nd nomination thing, 2nd works. NickelShoe 20:20, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

22/7
Stong Keep. It is absurd to say a proof on its own is not an encyclopedia article. What about all of the other pages devoted mainly to mathematical proofs? Will you nominate ALL of them for deletion? What about  ALL OF THE ARTICLES IN list of pi topics?? Should the ALL get merged into pi? That is absurd! Wikipedia is NOT supposed to be only for beginners. "Night Gyr", may I inquire about your experience with Wikipedia's mathematics articles? "Kiss the Lizard" very clumsily misses the point of this article. 22/7 is of course one of the earliest convergents in the continued fraction expansion of π. By contrast, those decimal expansions are rather arbitrary. "kiss the lizard", what is the nature and degree of your experience with Wikipedia mathematics articles? This topic has great esthetic charm. Michael Hardy 01:20, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm not out to wipe all proofs from wikipedia, and I don't appreciate you attributing such a hostile intent to my action. The reason I feel it shouldn't exist in its current form is that despite all the claims to elegance and such, there's no objective criteria for inclusion that justifies this article, such as historical importance or proof of a significant property. The other articles in category:proofs are either about methods used in proofs or important proofs that are well known and have been useful.  This proof doesn't have any historical importance attached to it in the way that a proof of a major problem in math is—mathematicians have known pi<22/7 far longer than they've been doing calculus.  "indiscriminate collection of information" applies because this proof becomes the equivalent of an "interesting fact" about a person--worthy of inclusion in the article on the person, but not worth its own article.  On its own, it's unencyclopedic. Night Gyr 23:50, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

As far as "vitriol" goes, I described some comments that seemed unbelievably irrational by saying they seemed unbelievably irrational. In fact, they seemed irresponsible; it looked as if people were expressing opinions about matters they didn't know about. That was really a separate thing from my stating reasons why the article should be kept.

You seem stuck on comparing this to other articles in a particular category. The fact that someone included it in that category seems to me to be among the least important things about it. You also seem to attach far too much importance to the fact that a proof is a means of knowing that the proposition being proved is true. The fact that we know independently of this proof that π < 22/7 has nothing to do with anything relevant to this article. Also, the fact that it may have no historic importance is irrelevant, since no one claimed it had historical importance.

The article identifies a fact in mathematics that is enlightening to most people (except perhaps most non-mathematicians) who already knew that π < 22/7 before they learned what this article says. It can cause one to suspect that this is merely the tip of an iceberg still to be discovered by further research. That, in fact, is how Herbert A. Medina, author of the article in the Monthly that I cited here, made use of his knowledge of this integral. And that may be the reason why most of the mathematics articles on Wikipedia are worthy of inclusion. Often it is not because of historical importance, nor because it is applicable to something other than mathematics, nor because it is applicable to other things within mathematics, nor because (in the case of proofs) it is a means of being certain of the truth of a mathematical proposition. Ask the people who posted the "keep" votes, if they would consider any other math article they may like, whether they think it has historical importance, whether they can identify its practical utility. In many cases, the answer would be "no". If mathematical content were deemed worthy of attention only when its historical importance or its utility could be identified, the whole enterprise of making new discoveries in mathematics would cease. Mathematics would be abolished. Indentification of historical importance or of utility often waits until later. Michael Hardy 00:42, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Summary: With math articles, there is probably no objective criterion for inclusion or exclusion that could be applied by those who don't understand the articles, and even those who do would at best be hard put to state a criterion clearly and well. (And BTW, I agree with user:Trovatore that it is grating to read "Is there a criteria..." instead of "Is there a criterion...".) Michael Hardy 22:56, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Are you aware of this Wikipedia talk:Censorship ?
For myself, I would like to say that the method is not innocent. The subject is truly important : there is one talk page and twoscore people discussing auto censorship for one million (counting non active users). Will you give your advice ? --DLL 20:09, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Foreign object damage
Argh, and you even narrowly beat me to recatting Foreign object damage! I hit the edit button, and there it was, already done! Excuse me, I must go commit ritual suicide to preserve my honor... Melchoir 22:11, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Beecroft
Amended. Please let me know if you feel anything else is not original enough (I was merely tryng to be uncontroversial).Pliny 18:21, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

W vs B and physics package
I'd like to see a reference on the W referring to the physics package. I've been doing in-depth nuclear weapons research in the open source materials for nearly 20 years, and the consistent usage in all secondary and all available primary sources is W for Warhead (type), B for Bomb (type). The only references to W61 are related to the earth penetrating warhead version for a cancelled 1980s missile, about 20 years after the B61 physics package was standardized. Georgewilliamherbert 02:43, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Ok, thanks for rethinking your position. Do you want to change it back, or do you want me to?  Georgewilliamherbert 03:47, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

"vitriol"
What is the occasion for your use of this word to describe anything I said in the course of the recent discussion of the proposed deletion? Please be specific. I read some truly shocking and absurd things and characterized them fairly, without saying the individual persons who wrote them are generally shocking or absurd. One of them even suggested that a "mathematical equation" is an unfit subject for an encyclopedia article. One can forgive him on the grounds of childish naivete, but it seems shocking that a people who have never begun to suspect that such a field as mathematics exists are routinely admitted to universities. I also pointed out that some people who entirely missed the point of the article did in fact entirely miss the point. It was not until yesterday, a week after the discussion ended, that I realized that some people who voted may have thought the purpose of the article was simple to convince the reader of the fact being proved. That that was one of the possible ways of missing the point was a new idea to me. Michael Hardy 04:14, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

frigatebird
I'm not querying the significance of your Operation Dominic link from this page, it's just not clear why what would normally be a disamb type link points to something with a completely different name. Either the link should point to some variant of frigatebird, or it's on the wrong page. Could you please clarify, jimfbleak 05:54, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I've set up a disamb page, is this OK? Jim

T-4 ADM article wikify tag
Can you clarify what you are looking for with the wikify tag on the T-4 ADM article? I'm trying to build all the new warhead/bomb/device articles out to stand-on-merits-w/o-tag status in their initial build, but if I missed or spaced on something or it just doesn't cut it, let me know. Georgewilliamherbert 06:49, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Pretty Baby
Could you please explain at Talk:Pretty Baby why you rolled back my recent edits? I've just inserted a link to List of sets of unrelated songs with identical titles as there are lots of songs titled "Pretty Baby", but the rest of my edits were all in compliance with Manual of Style (disambiguation pages). Extraordinary Machine 21:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

New Zealand Sign Language
Hi, I noticed you edited this article saying that the law had not changed yet, and that royal assent needed to be given. Did you see the third citation at the bottom of the article, i.e. Governor-General gives assent to Sign Language Bill? -- Avenue 22:54, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

 * That's fine, easily fixed. -- Avenue 01:23, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Boresight == ==

I dont understand why you merged my Boresight Firearms with Boresight Antenna, when I was trying to disambiguate the two ?? The resulting page only has categorisation for Telecommunications, not Firearms.

WIles' Image
That site does not own the image. It was released by the profressor who took it and is in photos libraries.Timothy Clemans 22:21, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Timber
Now all the pictures don't line up and the graphs are all over the place (at least in Firefox)...

 * I'm using 1400 x 1050. --NaOH 07:02, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

 * If you're up to it, I figure the tables could be purtied up a bit. I think they're HTML, should they be wikicoded or whatever? --NaOH 07:05, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Now there's a big white space, though. --NaOH 07:09, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

 * I'll try moving images about... --NaOH 07:13, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Yours was good, but I didn't want to nuke buddy's image, so I tried as you see. What do you think?  We can revert if required, right? --NaOH 07:20, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Fly at 'er. That was just me experimentating. ;P --NaOH 07:26, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Good stuff, dude. Thanks for your help. --NaOH 07:30, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Mark IIII
Hi! What's the problem with IIII? Have you checked out a clockface recently? --Surgeonsmate 09:30, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

II and III
How confusing!

The fact is that IIII is standard, if you check a clockface. I'm not one to make a big fuss over it, but I do like to hug these little facts to my bosom! --Surgeonsmate 21:46, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Not quite sure what you are getting at - you said using IIII was nonstandard and confusing, and as IIII is used on clockfaces with no trouble for most people, obviously neither applies. Can't see why you should find III and IIII confusing if you can distinguish between III and II. Perhaps it is a matter of what we are used to. --Surgeonsmate 09:31, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Beretta Cx4 Storm Pic
So help me label the thing correctly. Its clearly a public image seeing as Beretta created it as a wallpaper for free download. Alyeska 23:35, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Games vs. Guns
When a Video games sells millions of copies, it deserves its own article. When a gun is depicted in a video game, it deserves mention under the article for THAT video game. It's stomping when kids put it into the firearms section. There is no concensus or majority or anything of the sort. It's an article about firearms, keep it about firearms.--Asams10 15:16, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Remington 51 Citations
I can cite four articles and three books, but I have to get back to my library. Seems like you're calling me out, but I'll bite. I still don't think that video games need to be in Firearms articles.--Asams10 05:08, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Assuming good faith works both ways. You can assume that I've researched the information I'm posting and not just giving my opinion.--Asams10 04:55, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Holographic Universe
The latest edits are by an anon w/ vandal warnings. I don't know if their adds are legit or nonsense. I figure since you started the article you could tell better than I. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 13:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

On dealing with copyvios
I noticed you just deleted the copyvio section of the article 55 Cancri Ae. I'd just like some clarification: wouldn't that still result in a derivative work unless the article is reverted to a pre-copyvio version first? Thanks, Chaos syndrome 21:48, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Ok, thanks for the info. I prefer to err on the side of caution in these matters. Regards, Chaos syndrome 21:51, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Reliable replacement warhead article
We have a new user (User:RRW jockey, who's making edits to the Reliable replacement warhead article, which I disagree with. I wanted a third opinion about whether his changes are Neutral POV or not, so I'm asking a few other wikipedians who have worked on nuclear related articles.

If you can pop over there and take a look, and if you have an opinion leave it on the article talk page, I would appreciate other feedback.

Thanks. Georgewilliamherbert 19:56, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

List of scheduled rocket launches
I can see no serious objection to the proposal that you posted on my Talk Page. It would probably make sense to do so. I will create the article that you mentioned, and place merge tags on both pages. --GW_Simulations 19:18, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:2LCdisambig
There are no reason given to let it redirect to. Much of the pages using "2LCdisambig" are conventional disambiguation pages. Do not change the redirect to again. --82.182.82.20 11:46, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * 2LC = 2 letter combination, 2CC = 2 character combination. The two mean the same thing, so why shouldn't one redirect to the other? Night Gyr 19:56, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Your edit to United States Congressional Delegations from Texas
Your recent edit to United States Congressional Delegations from Texas was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to recognize and repair vandalism to Wikipedia articles. If the bot reverted a legitimate edit, please accept my humble creator's apologies – if you bring it to the attention of the bot's owner, we may be able to improve its behavior. Click here for frequently asked questions about the bot and this warning. // Tawkerbot2 21:19, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Just revert the bot. The bot will not edit war, so if you make the exact same edit a second time, the bot will generally ignore it. - TexasAndroid 21:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I see you've fixed it, thanks for your understanding -- Tawker 22:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Copyvio
I've blocked for an hour and left a note. Thanks for cleaning up. Mackensen (talk) 22:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Jinx! Perhaps un-necessary, but it's not even a slap on the wrist. I wanted to make sure you had a chance to catch up. Good that he stopped. Mackensen (talk) 22:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

DYK!
Good find! I agree, the hookline is short and sweet! Thanks for your efforts!  + + Lar: t/c 15:24, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Image
I made it SirIsaacBrock 22:15, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Earth's Special Forces
Hi

How did you catch the copyvio? I'm trying to do a better job of catching that sort of thing. Thanks. :) Dlohcierekim 19:59, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) Dlohcierekim 00:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Stop spamming my talk page
SirIsaacBrock 20:20, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

'No references?'
On Boss (video games) you added the 'unreferenced' tag without stating anywhere that needs a reference added. I'm therefore a little curious as to what you mean. Hrimfaxi 05:49, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Kweisi Mfume / activepol category
"(→External links - remove maintenance category from main page)"

What was the reasoning behind removing the active politician categorization for the Mfume article? He's currently running for the U.S. Senate. Ben Cardin has the same categorization, as his main opponent in the primaries.Fearwig 20:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Edit: My mistake, Cardin doesn't. Am I mistunderstanding the purpose of the category? Fearwig 20:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Edit again: Okay, I get it now--the activepol designation on the talk page adds it automatically. Apologies, and thanks for the fix. Fearwig 20:29, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Brands of Cola
Can you please explain to me why you removed some brands of cola from the colas template? President's Choice, Sam's Choice,Sinalco, and Soda Club all have distinct flavors, I think that it is a subjective decision to remove them. (Ritz belongs on that page,too.) They are, in fact, colas made by different companies. Therefore, they are "brands".

Can you tell me why you reverted the article on Shelby Mustangs, removing nearly a months worth of additions?

Shelbys
Can you tell me why you removed nearly a months worth of additions to the Shelby Mustang Page?

KLF
"Sister Project links -LOL" : WikiSpecies. Hehe! Give us a chance mate, I hadn't got that far down the article with my trimming knife! Quite amusing though, I'll give you that :) --kingboyk 14:45, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

OK, but...
... why did you delete the section that I added to the Shelby article? No copyvio there.

RE: TFD
Yes, my voting rationale is to see whether the template is of any purpose to articles, whether it is currently used and useful, whether the template is redundant and other factors as well. I hope this answers your doubt. --Ter e nce Ong 16:18, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Dog Day Afternoon
The cast table has been moved, per your suggestion (which makes sense for films, I just got used to an early cast table from editing Cheers). The article has also undergone further copyediting by Zepheus. Hope it will garner your support. Thanks! Staxringold talkcontribs 22:47, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about that
User:MostWanted05 is a problem and he left unsourced images on article pages. It's a shame that that user makes a small thing into a problem. I apologize for my behavior. LILVOKA

Vandalism
Please do not delete the rules on my vandalism page. Thank you. -user:Crisspy

3100
Thanks for fixing that, I don't really know why I messed up that redirect. ˉˉanetode╞┬╡ 17:50, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Use of is no longer recommended
Hello,

Thank you for your stub submission. You may wish to note that it is preferable to use a stub template from WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types instead of using simply, if you can.

Thanks! -- Where 03:22, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

List of Bleach releases
Hello, I am curious to know why to moved Bleach media information to List of Bleach releases. IMO, the previous title seemed to fit the article's content (for example, voice actors) better. Please leave comments at Talk:List of Bleach releases. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 19:51, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

USSTRATCOM Page
Hi, thanks for your note on the USSTRATCOM page about NPoV. We try to follow the guidelines, but miss a few now and then. I have cleaned up the article to remove the government PoV as well as I am able sitting on the inside, but I was wondering if there is a review board or something to help develop a concensus on the PoV of the article to remove the PoV stop sign. Thanks. USSTRATCOM PAO 19:48, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Shadow of the Colossus FAC
Hi. Thank you for your comments on this FAC. We've made an attempt to address your concerns. Please review these changes and let us know if they are adequate. Ryu Kaze 19:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Metapolitefsi
Hi there. Can you please suggest a few places that you think are way too colourful in the Metapolitefsi article? Thanks. Dr.K. 16:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Username
I have to ask is your username from a certain game produced by FASA? Or somewhere else? Whispering(talk/c) 21:29, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Command and Control
Well, I was just cleaning stubs when I stumbled into this article. I think it's more of AFD. I fixed the double redirect. Feel free to boldly edit the stuff. ;) ''F3-R4'' 15:01, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Archiving
Hi, I think you're right about archiving/deleting. I think I got a consensus after more than 3 users has posted concern about this. Thank you. :D I'm setting up a bot to autoarchive instead. ''F3-R4'' 02:12, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

Len Tower article, sources
Greetings. I read your comment on the second AfD for Leonard H. Tower Jr. expressing a potential interest for the article, should there be sources showing notability. I have found and cited some sources which I believe you might find relevant; they are cited in the second AfD, in this comment by myself. Capi 14:25, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

FAC review on Gliding
Thanks for the useful comments. I have copied my response from the FAC page here. I hope you do not mind.

I have now added even more references including books that cover the whole subject (there are now 57) to meet your request. The fully cited list was at the request of Sandy. Are there still any remaining specific facts that need to be referenced? Please note that sometimes the reference at the start of the section covers all of it. A promo for gliding that has a long list of hazards is not good advertising, so some attempt has been made at NPOV. I added the Challenges section also for this reason. Are there any other aspects which would add balance? In its defence the article attempts to answer the questions: "why would anyone voluntarily get into a cramped, unpowered aircraft and fly for hours away far from the airfield in turbulent conditions?" and "how do normal people start?". Nevertheless I will tone down the stuff about freedom etc and delete the bookings by phone (I suppose it does sound like a promo).

I think I have fixed the article to meet your objections. Let me know if it still sounds too passionate. If you are happy, would you withdraw your objection? If there still outstanding matters, please let me know. Thanks again for your interest and time. JMcC 22:32, 27 September 2006 (UTC) PS I then read your user page and see that you do not like 'notable'. Would 'famous' be better or is 'notable' OK in this context?

Mr Hands video
 WP:NOT - Wikipedia is NOT CENSORED! The video is:
 * Clearly marked as graphic
 * Relevant to the subject

WhisperToMe 03:22, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh! I forgot about that... If it's illegal under Florida law, it has to go. I'd check the actual laws first, but if it's against Florida law it may gave to go. WhisperToMe 03:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * At least in 2004, Florida may not have a law against bestiality. Let me check. WhisperToMe 03:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * According to this, Florida does not have a specific law against it Zoosexuality_and_the_law WhisperToMe 03:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It turns out it is not specifically outlawed in Florida - According to that Wikipedia article. I cannot find a bestiality law in Florida either. Why not mark it as "This video may be considered illegal in many jurisdictions" - Bestiality is not universally banned like child pornography is WhisperToMe 03:31, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * http://www.dissidentvoice.org/July05/Gordon0728.htm also states Florida has no law against bestiality. WhisperToMe 03:32, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

It looks like the video in question is not *the* video that captured the fatal incident, so it was removed.. WhisperToMe 03:46, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Something you might be interested in
Since you requested deletion for the One Peice attacks, I thought you could help out here: Articles for deletion/List of Dragon Ball special abilities. Hydromasta231 04:20, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

F.Y.P
I did the citation as a "See Talk page" because the citation is in print form and the links on the talk page link to scanned in versions. There is not an online version of the interview from the year 2000. Messwemade 17:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm not quite sure if I'm doing it right....?!?! Messwemade 19:57, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Erotic Lactation, missing references
In article Erotic Lactation You added the flag "References missed". I have corrected this (thank You for the hint). Can You remove the flag if all is OK for You now? --Fritz Bollmann 11:39, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

List of sports clichés
You recently marked this as "proposed for deletion". I decided it ought to go through the AfD process, since it didn't seem to be a clear "delete" or "keep" to me, but in so doing, I found it already went through AfD a few months ago, and it was ruled "no consensus to delete". I'd just keep it around for now, but perhaps you could put it through AfD again if you really want. - furrykef (Talk at me) 10:15, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletion
Regarding the article Vernian Process, which you tagged for speedy deletion with the reason "it is an article about a band which does not assert the notability or importance of the subject", I wanted you to know that I have removed the speedy deletion tag. This article does not qualify for speedy deletion because the article says the band has 4 albums, which is an assertion of notability. If you still want the article to be deleted, please use the process. Thanks! Stifle (talk) 18:52, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

The Spirit of Truth
Good day. I noticed that you added the original research template to a section on The Spirit of Truth. Would you mind talking a bit about your reasons for this over on the article's talk page? Thank you. --Takeel 12:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Matches / Electric matches
The term "match" as used for a means of providing ignition is not limited to matchsticks, and this article already says as much by referring to fuses. Why is it such a big problem to include a single sentence mentioning matches fired by electricity rather than friction? Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 16:26, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

 * The original edit caused several difficulties. Primarily, it overlooked the first paragraph in Match that states that matches are typically a wooden or stiff paper stick. The edit re-defined non-electric matches as being wooden, thereby discounting waxed card (Vesta) matches. Secondly it conveniently overlooked, as did Talk:Match, the first paragraph in Match that matches are ignited from heat of friction when struck. Fuses are discussed in the article, I added them, but the view point is fuses ignited by striking; whereas electric fuses are electrically initiated - not initated by heat of friction. Electric fuses (and electric fuse compositions) are not new, they were discussed as long ago as 1968, by Ellern in his book on pyrotechnics. The edit to match appeared to be a contrived insertion that was unrelated to matches, other than sharing the name match and it distorted the article; which is why I moved the edit to Match (dissambiguation). I agree the article is somewhat wider than matches, as it mentions quick match and slow match, fuses, etc, but I think electric matches could have been better inserted into the match article. I’ve done a re-edit to match that hopefully meets both our concerns.Pyrotec 18:06, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Vijayanagar Architecture
Can you please explain this note "needs a copyedit for a lot of flowery pov language". Can you please tell me which lines are flowery and has POV. All info on the page has been sourced and reworded at times (playing down adjectives) to avoid COPYVIO. Dont forget, you are perhaps talking about the "Rome of India" and a UNESCO World Heritage Site.Dineshkannambadi 17:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Objective vs subjective
Could you please tell me how a sentence like "Vijayanagar architecture is an impressive dravidian style of architecture" be reworded for subjectiveness, especially when the sources are provided which itself is an indication to the user where the credits came from?Dineshkannambadi 17:42, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Karnataka Tourism
Can you please post your comments on the corresponding discussion page??. You can find my reply there. Leotolstoy 18:46, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Elephants
hey, thanks for moving my silly elephant article back to my user space instead of just deleting it. i appreciate it. john k 19:45, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Erotic lactation
Hi, You set the "unreferenced" flag to the page Erotic lactation. The article is good referenced now and highly improved. Can You check, whether the flag is longer valid? Thank You, --Fritz Bollmann 09:05, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Uploaded as JPG
Done. Hello32020 19:13, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

events on the 911 page
911 (disambiguation), there is absolutely no reason that I can see for the three dates to be listed which aren't connected in any way to the number 911. There is a link on that disambiguation page to the date page which lists all of the events that occured on that day anyway.

I propose to remove attica prison, Chilean coup and s11. Any thoughts? Cross posted on relevant talk page. Grumpyyoungman01 22:04, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

LPG
Thanks for the note. I made some minor corrections. I think you're right. It looks better now, doesn't it?

Cheers, --Achim 04:25, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Your AFD for Colbert Report Crecurring elements
I noticed you nominated the Colbert Report Ecrring Elements for deletion yet you did not create the debate page to explain why you want it deleted. Care to do so? If You're doing so as I'm writing this message ignore it--Acebrock 20:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Stormfront
There have been numerous, unnecessary edits to the Stormfront disambiguation page, particularly to the entry on Stormfront (website). However Manual of Style (disambiguation pages) says that "The description associated with a link should be kept to a minimum, just sufficient to allow the reader to find the correct link." As each of the entries is so different from the others, simply giving the full title of each is sufficient. We have enough work to do keeping the actual article about the Stormfront (website) NPOV, let's not double our workload. Cheers, -Will Beback 05:55, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Do you think anyone will confuse the website with the weather phenomenon or the Billy Joel Album? -Will Beback 06:04, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

 * You do have a point about the novel, it'd help to have the author's name. -Will Beback 06:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

 * As soon as there's another website named "Stormfront" we'll be sure to update the dismabiguation page. GHowever I consider that to be an unlikely event, given the notoriety of the current one. -Will Beback 06:10, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Lou Gehrig and other baseball player pictures
What do I put if the image was from a web site and there was no information as to the use of the material from the web site? Thanks Never been to spain 13:55, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Sig
Why don't you like complex signatures?  •S  e  an•gorter•  (T) (P) 01:36, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

You try finding the actual content on a page that's got four lines of sig to every line of text. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 01:38, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

WikiLove

has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

Just doing it for fun and to spread the WikiLove.  •S  e  an•gorter•  (T) (P) 01:37, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

No Shave November
Can you please tell me why my page on No Shave November was deleted? It is my first article; I just want to make sure I did everything right.

Thanks. Wikiwikiwikiscratch 05:07, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Deletion review for Colbert Report recurring elements
Hi, you may wish to comment at Deletion review/Log/2006 November 1. —Angr 14:56, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey Night Gyr,
Re, I found out about the picture nomination by random wikisurfing! I think I've made comments that illuminate certain dark aspects regarding this picture and would like you to evaluate them and respond. Thanks! •N i k o S il v e r• 11:45, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

AutoMat1930.jpg
This is an image of an AutoMat built in 1930 in order to illustrate the automat article. What copyright tag should I use? Thank you. Disco79 15:40, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Please let me know if the tag I proposed on my talk page User_talk:Disco79 is correctly done. Thank you. Disco79 01:58, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Font samples
Actually, typefaces can't be copyrighted, at least in the U.S. Computer font files can, because they're considered programs, but the actual designs can be completely copied. That's why Bitstream can create renamed knockoffs of every major font. — Chowbok  ☠  00:50, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

superdickery
The site has a 289,000 hits on Google and an Alexa ranking of 43,671. Notability is established.--KrossTalk 12:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Questioning my deletionism
Thanks for postintg that! Next time I get seriously involved in AfD again, and someone accuses me of, well, the things I get accused of for advocating an article's deletion, I'll have to refer those people to your comment.

Oh, not everything I nominate for deletion gets deleted, either. Daniel Case 15:47, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Your vote in Articles_for_deletion/Third_holiest_site_in_Islam_%28expression%29
Will you please care to answer if I ask that what motive you to vote for keep in that AFD? I will be thankful with your reply. --- ALM 17:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply and I have replied back too. Should I talk here with you or at AFD page. I have replied in AFD. -- ALM 19:19, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Image:AAFlight191 newspapers.jpg
I am sure that got that image off of the FAA website .. i can't seem to seek it out.. will look again. perhaps u could help?  maxrspct  in the mud  15:44, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

External links in disambig pages
Re Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation

That section was blank because I had not finished editing it. I set it up first as dummy to make it exist so I could check another page that linked to it. I have now set it up as the intended text. Please read it again. Sorry. Anthony Appleyard 09:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

hi
just like to say that i read your little blurb about your struggling to read comments because of all the fancy formatting in signatures. i changed mine to make it just a bit easier for you haha. thanks for the good advice. --marbl e .wonderi ♥ ny 04:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Trigger (firearms)
You reverted my tagging of the article as unreferenced. I posted on the talk page, because I still think that the article needs to be tagged, as it is completely lacking in sources. Kncyu38 08:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Replied on my talk page. Also, thanks for the welcome message! Kncyu38 11:41, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Paintball references
Hey,

I noticed that recently you've been taking a look at some of the paintball articles under the WikiProject Paintball. Although your claims that paintball articles like Speedball backman need references are justified, be careful when it comes to paintball; it is still a relatively new sport, and references are hard to find. I believe the sheer amount of visits that paintball articles get from informed, intelligent editors is sufficient to guarantee it's factual accuracy.

Nonetheless, thank you for adressing this point! As the lead coordinator of the WikiProject Paintball I will do what I can to get my members and myself to use more references and find some for existing articles.

RavenStorm 12:59, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Jonestown, Demerara
(Please reply here. I have the page on watch.)

Seriously, do you think someone would make that stuff up? Jonestown, Demerara is a real place. If you doubt me, just Google "Jonestown" with "Mahaica" (two words, no quote marks) for confirmation -- for example, this. I've just never gotten around to adding references -- I created it as a complete WP neophyte -- because I moved on to other things and figured no one would bother such an innoccuous and well-crafted article. Any chance I could prevail on you to withdraw the AfD? I can round up references, eventually, but would rather not try to do it in a panic. And I really don't need the aggro. I sure wish you'd talked to me about this first, instead of forging ahead with the prod and then, so promptly, an AfD nomination. (Naturally, I've opposed the deletion already.) -- Lonewolf BC 08:34, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Please don't delete just trying to change the name to solve a conflict among editors Gottoupload 02:01, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Two cows AfD
I found and added 5 print sources which presented and discussed the joke. Edison 19:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Korean Idiot Teenagers
As the page is now gone, and my memory t'aint that great, what I do remember is that it was put up for a speedy delete, that was removed by the author, then put up for the simple prod (not full afd) and that was removed by the author without any rationale given. I believe that it was the drmafd template Template:Drmafd that uses that warning about vandalism (i don't mess with the template language); or the Template:Drmspeedy.

But, if you can backtrack and see where I did put up a "vandalism" warning (which I don't think I did) for that, it would be appreciated. SkierRMH 20:11, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

(p.s. Could you point me to the source of your statement "As an addition note, blanking your talk page without any sort of notice is frowned upon." I have had 2 admins tell me that it's my space to use as I see fit - there's no solid policy - and for me, I keep something up there til' it's resolved and then blank it.)

"Edit war → User edit war positive" and archiving your talk page
Most debates in Redirects for discussion/Log/2006 December 3 are closed. What are you going to do with this debate that went on for several days, yet there ain't a single vote sighted?

Also, your talk page is getting way too long. Rather than removing content, you could move most of older discussions into an archived page. See what How to archive a talk page guides you. --Gh87 23:56, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

 * It's been five days after I posted this message, and the result was deleted. And yet, you haven't consider about your older, longer posts. Would you like to archive it as soon as possible? --Gh87 05:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

STS-116
The STS-116 picture is now in an article. I don't know if this will change your vote, but now the reason you gave for not voting is null. Sharkface217 23:52, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Template:Otheruses
—Centrx→talk • 12:25, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I have discussed at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation and there, like everywhere, there is agreement that this is bad wording. There is no reason to have four different templates when one can simply be made good. Template:Otheruses4 has the same bad wording anyway.
 * Disambiguation pages are for articles with similar titles. Why would a topic on a disambiguation not have a similar title (perhaps "related title")?
 * Why do you like the current wording so much?

Aerophilately
Astrophilately is a legitimate area of study and collecting within aerophilately for mail in space that also includes rocket mail. So I have reverted your edit. ww2censor 03:03, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed, that was just the kick in the pants I needed to start on the article... Stan 03:11, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Check out astrophilately now! Stan 04:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

re:
Template redirects== on User talk:100110100 ==

 * We here on Wikipedia do not delete things just because they are a problem. What is plausible what is not?  I've never been taught that in school.100110100 22:18, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Dire animal (Dungeons & Dragons)
Good evening. You have tagged this article, which I have been very involved with writing, with an 'in universe' tag. I was wondering what you thought was too in-universy about it. Thanks. J Milburn 17:51, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Template:Bruchim

Glad to hear there is a Jewish side to the web. Your just identified as being Jewish in leaving your comment on the deletion page. That's something many Jewish editors do here, which means there is a Jewish side to wikipedia, its manifests in the form of the Jewish and Israel wikiprojects, and general networking and collaborating, but overall the wiki community is very anon, so it would understandable to say there is no "side" wikipedia. I was an editor here for three years and never used a talk page until I opened an account to create an article, (about 20th account, kept on forgetting) and I got welcomed by another user. So again, welcome to the Jewish side of wikipedia! FrummerThanThou 08:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

BLP
You said:
 * "BLP is a strengthened enforcement of existing policy, and things that wouldn't pass muster under BLP wouldn't pass muster period, BLP just means that we should be more aggressive about enforcing compliance."

This is not true. There are two vital differences. The first is recognition of the legal and moral right of nonpublic persons to privacy. This is unique to BLP among WPs policies. Please don't sweep it under the rug. Second, the content policies that you rightly refer to as more agressively enforced in BLP are based on what is good and useful in the creation of an encyclopedia and as such were used in the past without regard to common human decency when dealing with the subjects of articles in terms of asking them to accept that eventually the article will be better, that the good off all outweighs and specific harm to them, and in general treating them no better than a building because to do so would not be neutral. BLP is not based on law as much as common human decency. Please don't sweep that ubder the rug either. Saying BLP is just "a strengthened enforcement of existing policy" terribly misrepresents the entire reason for its esistance and thus encourages its misapplication. WAS 4.250 22:23, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Fiction guidelines
With regard to the comments you've been making about Dungeons & Dragons monster articles and problems with in-universe perspective, I feel you're referencing slightly the wrong guideline: I would say the problems are with WP:WAF, which suggests the style in which articles should be written, not WP:FICT which suggests which articles should exist in the first place. That said, I entirely agree with what you're saying, so please keep it up! Cheers --Pak21 08:09, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Benson
I am unhappy about your merging in of people at Benson. This is a page where I regularly fix the incoming links using popups, and it will be very difficult to do this with the page so long. Accidental links are for places called Benson. The Benson dab page should be for articles naturally named just Benson. A separate surname page is in accordance with Manual of Style (disambiguation pages). CarolGray 19:40, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Thank you very much. CarolGray 19:45, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Thought you may be interested

 * Best wishes, Travb (talk) 17:30, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Page protection
Because of concerns about the posting of personal information. Tom Harrison Talk 22:26, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Challenge coin article
Dorry about removing that reference. Not sure how I managed to even do that since I was deleting something at the bottom of the page. Montco 23:04, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Ski jumping training
I can't give a really good answer about training, but according to this introduction page, you start off small jumps and work your way up. I think you also get some instruction about how to do it beforehand. Andjam 13:53, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind welcome!
The holidays left me with a lot of free time at work, and Wiki is a fascinating and quite useful resource, so I thought I'd give what I can. -- Snicker undefined°€ 14:07, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Take off the prod?
I've done some extensive work on the Space warfare in fiction page. Although it is far from done, I think it is salvageable. I ask that you take off the prod or instead send it to WP:AFD.  S h a r k f a c e  2 1 7  01:25, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:659 hornet.jpg
Thank you for uploading Image:659 hornet.jpg. However, Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. MECU ≈ talk 20:33, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Swiss F-18
Please read your reply here Thanks - Adrian Pingstone 22:49, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

New Years
 Wishing you a Happy New Year from  S h a r k f a c e  2 1 7  04:25, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza's MfD Tags
Thanks for telling me! I have replaced the tags back to their proper places (hopefully). I have no idea what time zone you live in. Nonetheless, Happy New Year!-- Ed  ¿Cómo estás? Reviews? 02:02, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Image:659 hornet.jpg listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:659 hornet.jpg, has been listed at. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. — MECU ≈ talk 20:23, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi. I just saw your comments you left for me on my editor review. My only problem with that is you seem to have taken a single issue and posted it there, whereas it might have been more appropriate to contact me directly with this matter, since the editor review is supposed to encompass me generally, and not specific issues. Either way, I don't fully understand your complaint about my tagging of Image:659 hornet.jpg. I think that you are annoyed that I marked the image as missing license information when you had put the tag FinnishDefenceForces on there. However, my reading of the tag is that it is not a valid license alone, since it is an unfree image, it must be under fair use, for which the page did not have such a tag. I think I might have even asked about this specific image on the IRC channel and another user directed me to mark it as no license, since that tag isn't a license. You then appropriately removed my tag of no license and put a fair use tag in it. However, this is only partially the job of marking images as fair use. Per the tag you inserted: To the uploader: this tag is not a sufficient claim of fair use. You must also include the source of the work, all available copyright information, and a detailed fair use rationale. You already have the source, but no fair use rationale. Since the image was uploaded before May 4, 2006 and has no rationale, I then listed it for IFD because it has no rationale. You now have at least 5 days to provide a rationale for each use of this image in Wikipedia. If you provide a rationale, you can then say so at the IFD and the image will most likely be kept. I would believe it would be difficult to justify the use on Finnish Air Force, but also it will be difficult to justify why this specific image needs to be on Wikipedia. Is standing on it's tail unique to this plane? The image isn't even talked about in the article either. It's used alongside a list of "milestones", which could even be considered decoration. Lastly, with the availability of free images of this plane already on the page, you cannot use "illustration" because it's already (freely, that is, with a free image) illustrated. Please do not think that I am targeting you specifically or hold a vengeance against you or this image. If you should be able to provide such a rationale, I would be happy to vote to keep the image at IFD. Good luck! -- MECU ≈ talk 23:23, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, one more additional comment regarding me slowing down and not blanket applying images. Of the thousand or so images I have marked, few users have had problems with it. I agree the tagging and notification system is a little "stale" and "impersonal", but I don't think slowing down to customize and individualize each image notification and tagging will be of benefit, since there about literally hundreds of thousands of images. Nothing on Wikipedia is permanent, if someone makes a mistake it can easily be fixed. -- MECU ≈ talk 23:25, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Featured_picture_candidates/Sandstorm
Is a complete rewording of the comment legal in this case (as opposed to striking out the comment)? -- Tewy  04:44, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that that was a little strong, and I should do a little more research before accusing someone of that. Thanks for the notice. -- Tewy  04:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

List of big-bust models and performers
I was young and foolish—I never thought anyone would see those pictures that article... :) —tregoweth (talk) 21:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

FAC closing
Left you a note here, and there was a conversation here. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 22:55, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Balkline and straight rail
Really appreciate the kind words. That article took a very long time to write, and I did it all offline so that it would be a candidate for DYK—most people have no idea there is anything other than 8-ball, so I want all these articles to appear on the main page (cushion caroms and carom billiards have been submitted to dyk and artistic billiards, Irving Crane, cowboy pool and Honolulu (billiards) were also dyk'ed over the past few weeks). My editcountitis is screaming at me! Quibbles over wording, complaints etc., are what mostly get placed on talk pages. It's rare to get a simple nice job.--Fuhghettaboutit 00:57, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

USRepSuccessionBox
This template has never been vandalized, and has been undergoing edits and improvements. Please do not pre-emptively full-protect pages; it infringes on the fundamental free editing nature of Wikipedia. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 04:52, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

 * It's used on over two thousand pages and with the recent template vandalism (perhaps you have not heard about it?), pre-emptively protecting a rarely-edited, high-use template, despite no history of vandalism, is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. You can request an edit using or, if you feel compelled, take the issue to WP:RPP. --  tariq abjotu  05:26, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

RFA
It's usually not good to respond to every oppose vote. People view it as argumentative and oppose. In cases where you believe the vote is based on a misconception, like the first guy, that's one thing, but when it's a previous disagreement being brought up again, arguing with them won't help you. --tjstrf talk 08:34, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll move it to his talk page. didn't want to just ignore the guy, after all. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 08:36, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

RfA
I added a question to your RfA Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 20:05, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I gave a response that needs more :) Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 03:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * As an Admin your job is to handle these tasks. The fact that I was the blocking admin and you never asked me about the block raises one question. If you want to be an admin why? as this is a key role that admins play (blocking and unblocking). you are not always able to pick what task you handle. many times someone you have never met drags you into an Issue that you don't want to be in. But as a Wikipedia Administrator that is you job. the fact that you don't understand Wikipedia policy is an issue along with the fact that you said area that I've neither dealt with in the past nor plan to in the future now really scares me. As per WP:SPAM and WP:USERNAME that username is not acceptable. you your self said that. when the user complained about that instead of clarifying that you moved to unblock knowing that the username was spam irregardless of why I blocked in the first place the e-mail address should have tipped you off. Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 05:57, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

RfA
OK, thanks for the explanations. Since I was leaning toward oppose, I'm not going to change my neutral !vote, but I'm certainly willing to take other factors into consideration as the thing goes on. Peace, delldot | talk 23:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Contribs.
Per request, these are Babylon 5 related: # 23:41, 28 October 2006 (hist) (diff) Stock footage (the PD/fee bit is irrelevant to the definition)
 * 23:37, 28 October 2006 (hist) (diff) EAS Prometheus (There's nothing in this article not in that article) (top) [Rollback]
 * 23:34, 28 October 2006 (hist) (diff) EarthForce (true, this article actually describes all of its fan speculation as speculation) (top) [Rollback]
 * 23:28, 28 October 2006 (hist) (diff) EarthForce (in-universe)
 * 23:27, 28 October 2006 (hist) (diff) Forklift truck (it's in the names, often is awkward understatement)
 * 23:24, 28 October 2006 (hist) (diff) Battle of the Line (in-universe)
 * 23:20, 28 October 2006 (hist) (diff) Minbari (more in-universe b5)
 * 23:18, 28 October 2006 (hist) (diff) Shadow (Babylon 5) (needs a lot of in-universe cleanup)

thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 01:03, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

title: User talk:Night Gyr/archive


text:
U.S. Route 521

U.S. Route 521 (US 521) is a north–south United States Highway that traverses 177.3 mi, from Georgetown, South Carolina, to Charlotte, North Carolina. Though numbered as an auxiliary route of US 21, it does not actually intersect its parent or any of its sibling routes, though it is in the same general part of the country as other routes from its family. Historically, it once connected to US 21 in Pineville, North Carolina, but various changes have left it terminating a few miles short of the current US 21.

South Carolina
Starting at the city of Georgetown, US 521 runs through the town Andrews to Greeleyville. From here to the city of Manning it is known as the Greeleyville Highway. There is a brief section right before Manning where it runs concurrent with SC 261. In Manning SC 261 branches off and US 521 merges with US 301 for a short distance. It crosses over Interstate 95 (I-95) and heads to the city of Sumter. In Sumter, it runs together with US Business 378. Leaving Sumter, US 521 is known as Camden Highway. It passes under I-20 and proceeds to Camden. It then goes on to the town of Kershaw, running concurrent with US 601. The final city it goes through before going into North Carolina is Lancaster.

North Carolina
US 521 traverses 3.8 mi from the South Carolina state line to I-485. The entire route is a four- to six-lane divided highway, split in naming between Lancaster Highway and Johnston Road.

History
Established in 1932, it was overlapped entirely with SC 26, from Georgetown to the North Carolina state line, where it continued with NC 26 into Pineville, where it ended at U.S. Route 21/NC 261 (now NC 51). In 1933, SC 26 was decommissioned; followed in 1934 with the decommissioning of NC 26.

In 1949, US 521 was rerouted in Williamsburg County to run directly from Andrews, through Salters and Greeleyville, to Manning; which replaced SC 171 and part of SC 261, the old alignment became part of SC 377 and SC 261. Between 1962 and 1964, US 521 was rerouted at the Sumter-Kershaw county line to Camden; the old alignment became an extension of SC 261.

In 1969, US 521 was extended 19 mi north, via South Boulevard, and Wilkinson Blvd, then in 1981, by way of Woodlawn Road, and Billy Graham Parkway, to I-85 in Charlotte.

Between 1986 and 1988, US 521 was moved west onto new highway west of Dalzell, bypassing the town; the old alignment was downgraded to secondary roads.

In 1996, US 521 was rerouted onto I-485, between exits 61 and 65; the old alignment was downgraded to secondary roads. In 2003, the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials (AASHTO) approved US 521 to be truncated at its current northern terminus at the Johnston Road/I-485 interchange; its old alignment north to I-85 was downgraded to secondary roads.

Future
There are plans to make US 521 a four-lane highway from Georgetown to I-95, in Manning. This would improve a route for beach goers traveling toward the Litchfield/Pawleys area.

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Talk:Cary, North Carolina

C.A.R.Y.
I found this at Containment Area for Relocated Yankees:
 * "C.A.R.Y. or Cary is a tounge-in-cheek Backronym for the city of Cary, in North Carolina. It is so named for it's concentration of relocated Yankess."

I'm redirecting this here for now, feel free to revert, incorporate, demand deletion, etc. Alai 19:00, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If you need a reference, National Geographic published an article on Cary about eight years ago and cited this backronym.

The following paragraph:
 * The town's reputation as a bedroom community for transplants from outside the South has led to natives joking that Cary is an acronym for "Containment Area for Relocated Yankees." Some observers have noted this as Cary's crisis of identity, especially when compared with its neighbors in the Research Triangle. Chapel Hill has a reputation as a bastion of liberal academia, Durham as a blue-collar post-boom industrial city, and Raleigh as the state's center of arts and government, but Cary has yet to come into its own identity, despite or perhaps because of its meteoric rise in population.

was removed on 8 June 2005 by with the explanation "removed argumentative, non-factual content." On 24 June, the "C.A.R.Y." backronym got re-added as an "Interesting Fact" with no context to it whatsoever, and so it remains.

I'm putting the paragraph back. Wikipedia is about NPOV, not about removing "argumentative, non-factual content". If you want to claim that Cary is not a bedroom community, that it doesn't have a reputation for transplants, that observers haven't noted a crisis of identity, that Chapel Hill, Durham and Raleigh don't have well-formed identities, that Cary does have its own identity, or that its population hasn't risen meteorically, then add your arguments. But don't just zap a fact of its context because the context offends you. --TreyHarris 8 July 2005 15:52 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure whether the paragraph should stay or go but I think it has some problems: 1) "a bedroom community for transplants from outside the South" is unclear; 2) "Some observers have noted this as Cary's crisis of identity" Who exactly?  This is a statement of opinion not fact, even though you're attributing it to "some observers."

 * How is "a bedroom community for transplants from outside the South" unclear? Cary was certainly a bedroom community for commuters to other parts of the Triangle through the 1980's and into the 1990's at least.  And C.A.R.Y. makes no sense outside the context of "transplants from outside the South."  Maybe you could elaborate on why you think this is unclear.

 * As to the second point, if you're saying there's no crisis of identity, then you should put down what Cary's well-understood identity is. At the time I wrote that sentence, I had  as a reference, which quoted the mayor of Cary using the term "crisis of identity", but the page has moved.  Maybe someone else can find it. (p.s.--would you please sign your posts?) --TreyHarris 8 July 2005 19:59 (UTC)

I, for one, being from California, don't know your definition of South and don't know why that would be a bad thing... Mrcolj 18:59, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

The concentrated area for relocated Yankees reference needs to be removed, it's not factual. It is not encyclopedic any more than a blond joke is encyclopedic. It's cutesy and doesn't belong here. It's only purpose is "Cary bashing".

The history of this joke is that Cary's major growth occurred in the mid to late 80's when IBM relocated large portions of it's workforce from the New York headquarters to their new facility in Research Triangle Park. Many of those ""relocated yankees"" put down roots in Cary. The area has continued to grow and attract transplants but those transplants are far from being primarily from the North East part of the U.S., they come from and California, Canada in the case of the telecommunications companies, the UK in the case of the drug companies, and all engineering and scientific companies are seeing their employee populations from India and China increase.

Yes Cary is largely populated by transplants and this has affected perception of the community as well as it's growth patterns and policy over the years. These references need to stay. But the cutesy joke that puts that growth primarily from ""Yankees"" is innacurate and needs to be removed.

Rtphokie

Okay, we went through this six months ago. NPOV does not guarantee that everything written in an article will be inoffensive, merely that it is neutral as to taking a position on controversial points of view. The sentence reads, "The town's reputation as a bedroom community for transplants from outside the South has led to humorous backronyms for its name such as "Concentrated Area of Relocated Yankees" or "Containment Area for Relocated Yankees."" And it has a reference, which you can click on, to see that at least the latter humorous backronym does exist. So—are you claiming that the Money magazine article is incorrect, and actually this article invented the acronym? (An odd claim, since the Money article came first.) If not, then it's NPOV to state that the backronym exists.

You seem to misunderstand: the fact that people have used the backcronym is factual. Saying so is not the same as saying that the backronym itself is factual, and the article doesn't assert this. --TreyHarris 19:53, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Just because it was in Money magazine or National Geographic or whatever, does that make it worthy of being here in Wikipedia? What is the purpose of this article, to give a as complete of a sumarization as possible or to amuse readers?

I just dont think it belongs here. It's been removed before, by other users as well. Some think it belongs some dont. We need to step back and ask ourselves if it makes the article better or not. I say it doesn't add anything to the article since Cary's history and current state is well covered.

This ""backronym"" is sophomoric and makes this article worse, not better

Rtphokie
 * (I said this six months ago, and I'll say it again now. Please sign and date your comments, using --~ .)

 * No, being in Money or National Geographic does not automatically qualify a fact for inclusion in the Wikipedia. But what the citing of the backronym in both of those publications (and many others) does do is show that it is a notable fact, it isn't some sort of inane trivia, it is actually reflective of an actual state of being in the world.  This fact has been very stable in the article, and contrary to your assertion, before today it has never been removed by anyone other than you (except in the context of a whole-article vandalism), and the only other removal today was by an anonymous IP coming from cisco.com.  Check the page history.  --TreyHarris 20:33, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

- It does not show it is a notable fact. It's not a fact. It's a joke. It's not reflective of actual state of being anymore than a blonde joke or polish joke is reflective of actual state of being in the world. It's a joke, not a fact.

Major publications include cutesy little things like this. That doesn't make them fact nor does it automatically reflect on reality. It also doesn't necessarily reflect perception. This is an old joke that I haven't heard in years.

This doesn't add anything and it doesn't belong here. --~.
 * Your "old joke" was in the paper today - Ruth Sheehan's column on name for the soccer team. I heard it last month in an IBM meeting.  Definitely has stuck as part of Cary's history and "culture". -Jcbarr 01:08, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Strong vote to keep. You can't live in NC without hearing the containment area joke a thousand times. Those who wish to learn about Cary should learn how it is perceived.

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The News and Observer dredging up a humourous name in a mean spirited column is not evidence that this kind of thing belongs in Wikipedia. There is quite a history between the N&O and Cary that isn't worth getting into here.

Should we go add some Polish jokes to Poland's entry? People thought those were true at one point too. Perhaps some jokes about San Francisco Hippies or Florida being known for it's geriatric residents? Where does it stop. I say it should stop right here.

--~

 * I agree with it being kept, I'm from Rougemont and I've heard it many a time and it does speak about what the town is like. And anyone who's ever been to Cary knows why people say it has no soul. It's not the yankee part, it's that when I was born Cary had a population of 13,000, now it has a population of over 120,000, but there's nothing more than road after road of massive prefab houses, and because it doesn't have any real history it's just kind of this massive creation for the sake of people not wanting to live in Durham or Raleigh. There's not much to do, or to see, or anything really like that, it's just meh. If you've seen Weeds before it strongly resembles the town Nancy's from: Agrestic. 2607:F470:6:5002:D008:B7B6:7876:4E6D (talk) 02:20, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

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I think because the phrase concentration of relocated Yankees is more of an opinion rather than a known fact, it should not be included within the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brownrs28608 (talk • contribs) 19:26, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

 * For everyone's benefit, I'll note I've cited the claim (some time back) to a book about linguistics and dialect in North Carolina, published by a university press. It is a fact that some people refer to the town this way, and the label has stuck as a cultural item. -Indy beetle (talk) 07:33, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Notables
All notables must now have a sources per the GA review committee. I am removing the following from the notables list until sources can be found:

U. Alexis Johnson, former U.S. Ambassador to Japan and Czechoslovakia

Miguel Campanerta, ballet dancer and choreographer

Chris Hubert, professional football player

Please find a viable source before moving these individuals back to the article. Thanks. Rublamb (talk) 18:59, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Also placing this here just in case of potential issues - "Notable mayors include Fred Bond Jr. (1971–1983), Glen Lang (1999–2003), and Harold Weinbrecht (2007–present)." SL93 (talk) 21:40, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Notable mayors restored with sources (same as from notable list).Rublamb (talk) 12:47, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Merger discussion
I am proposing a merger of this article with Cary, North Carolina. The Cary, North Carolina article recently receive GA status, while this is rated a start class. Much of the content here lacks citations, has dead citations, or is generic (as in Native Americans lived here before Europeans and settlers moved west from the coast). It is missing important content and includes factually incorrect statements such as when Cary High School was founded. There is also the element of unnecessary duplication of other Wikipedia articles. The history section in the Cary, North Carolina]] includes most of its content and has more citations than this article. Cary's history can also be found in articles for Cary High School and Cary's National Register buildings and districts--Page-Walker Hotel, the Ivey-Ellington House, the Utley-Council House, the Nancy Jones House, the Carpenter Historic District, the Green Level Historic District, and the Cary Historic District. These entries were generated by uploads from the National Register and are not going away. Rather than working to solve the problems with this article, it would be easier to move any important content from here to the main Cary article.Rublamb (talk) 22:20, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

 * Merge - History section on Cary seems to adequately summarize the subject in hand. DiscoA340 (talk) 20:48, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

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Muscular Dystrophy Association

Muscular Dystrophy Association (MDA) is an American nonprofit organization dedicated to supporting people living with muscular dystrophy, ALS, and related neuromuscular diseases. Founded in 1950 by Paul Cohen, who lived with muscular dystrophy, MDA accelerates research, advances care, and works to empower families to live longer and more independent lives. Renowned for The MDA Labor Day Telethon, the annual telecast aired live every Labor Day weekend from 1966 to 2010, hosted by Jerry Lewis, who also served as MDA's national chairman. Also, Don Rickles, Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis, Jr., Milton Berle, Wayne Newton, Norm Crosby, Don Francisco, Tony Orlando, Johnny Carson, Aretha Franklin, Maureen McGovern, Diana Ross, Angela Lansbury and others have supported MDA over the years. The organization's headquarters is in Chicago, Illinois.

History
The organization was founded in 1950 by a group with personal connections to muscular dystrophy, including Paul Cohen who lived with the disease. Originally known as the Muscular Dystrophy Associations of America, it was renamed to its present name in the 1970s.

In 1954, MDA began its partnership with the International Association of Fire Fighters for its annual Fill the Boot fundraising drive. In 1955, the organization held its first summer camp.

In 1980, American motorcycle manufacturer Harley Davidson became an MDA National Sponsor; in 1987 the MDA Ride For Life program began, a fundraising motorcycle ride held over Labor Day weekend. In 1986, oil and gas provider Citgo became a second national sponsor of the organization.

In 1982, the MDA Shamrocks program launched in Grand Rapids, Michigan, and became a national program one year later. In 1996, MDA and Lewis were jointly honored by the American Medical Association with a lifetime achievement awards for their contributions to the health and welfare of humanity.

Dr. Stanley Appel established Houston Methodist Hospital's amyotrophic lateral sclerosis clinic with MDA in 1982, which has evolved into the MDA ALS Research and Clinical Center at the Houston Methodist Neurological Institute. Dr. Appel's pioneering work includes the development of an immunotherapy treatment that may slow the progression of ALS. Dr. Appel's efforts were recognized by the MDA when he received the MDA's Tribute Award in 2022.

In October 2020, the MDA Telethon, which had originally run from 1966 to 2014, was reimagined as The MDA Kevin Hart Kids Telethon after a six-year hiatus. The two-hour event was held virtually due to the COVID-19 pandemic, and streamed live on the Laugh Out Loud network and its YouTube channel. Celebrity guests for the 2020 telethon included Jack Black, Josh Gad, Michael B. Jordan, and Jillian Mercado.

In November 2020, MDA launched a tool, called the neuroMuscular ObserVational Research (MOVR) Visualization and Reporting Platform (VRP), to help make clinical data more accessible and accelerate discovery of muscular dystrophy treatments.

In response to the COVID-19 pandemic, MDA converted several of its traditional programs to virtual formats and introduced new virtual programming. The latter included several Facebook Live events discussing challenges that the pandemic placed on people with disabilities. It also provided COVID-19 resources and recommendations for neuromuscular patients and providers via its online resource center. Throughout stay at home orders due to the COVID-19 pandemic, MDA shared a "joke of the day" from National Ambassador Ethan Lybrand via their social media channels.

In January 2021, MDA announced NFL running back Nyheim Hines as its national spokesperson.

National Ambassador
MDA has a tradition of selecting National Ambassadors who are people living with neuromuscular disease. Since the program's inception in 1952, over 45 National Ambassadors have shared their experiences to emphasize the need for funding research and developing treatments and cures for neuromuscular diseases. These representatives engage with partners, volunteers, supporters, and notable figures, gaining exposure through social media channels and national media outlets. Former youth ambassadors have pursued diverse fields in adulthood, advocating for improvements in accessibility, early intervention treatments through newborn screening, and advancements in research and care for MDA families and individuals living with disabilities. MDA's National Ambassadors were formerly known as "National Goodwill Ambassadors", which, until the 1980s, were referred to as "poster children". In 1952, the MDA inaugurated Michael Danna as its first Poster Child.

One of the most well-known ambassadors was Mattie Stepanek, the National Goodwill Ambassador from 2002 until his death in 2004, notable for his best-selling Heartsongs series of poetry books, and his appearances on The Oprah Winfrey Show and Good Morning America. Another notable ambassador is Ethan LyBrand, who has Duchenne muscular dystrophy and gained national recognition for his Shorty Award winning "Joke-A-Day for MDA" campaign during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Research
In 1986, MDA-funded researcher Louis M. Kunkel identified the dystrophin gene, the gene for Duchenne muscular dystrophy (DMD) and Becker muscular dystrophy (BMD). MDA funded the first gene therapy trial in 1999, followed by the first vector based gene therapy trial for DMD in 2006.

In 2007, MDA funded Adrian R. Krainer and his colleagues at the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory in Laurel Hollow, New York for the early-stage development of nusinersen. Nusinersen became FDA approved in 2016 as the first treatment for spinal muscular dystrophy (SMA).

As of 2018, MDA had a total funding commitment of more than $58 million distributed among 312 research grants. By 2019, MDA supported 252 research projects worldwide, totaling a funding commitment of more than $66 million.

MDA is actively involved in supporting the development of gene therapies for rare neuromuscular diseases. In 2023, the association introduced the Kickstart Program to lower the barriers for gene therapy development. The program assembles a team of experts to collaboratively assist selected projects, positioning them for follow-on grant funding. The Kickstart Program was presented at the 2023 MDA Clinical & Scientific Conference, where discussions focused on opportunities to de-risk gene therapies, current barriers to development, collaborative frameworks, and data management.

MDA supported the FDA's decision in 2023 to approve an experimental gene therapy developed by Sarepta Therapeutics that aims to slow the progression of Duchenne muscular dystrophy by facilitating the production of a protein called micro-dystrophin in patients' muscles. Advancements in Duchenne muscular dystrophy treatment have prompted MDA to lobby for newborn screening panels for early detection and treatment initiation.

Fill the Boot Drive
During National Boot Day, the MDA partners with the International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF) to launch Fill the Boot fundraising events. These events help support research, care, and advocacy for families affected by muscular dystrophy, ALS, and related neuromuscular diseases in the United States. The partnership between MDA and IAFF dates back to 1954, with IAFF designating MDA as its charity of choice. Firefighters across the country have raised $690 million over nearly seven decades, leading to breakthroughs in research, FDA-approved treatments, and advocacy efforts such as access to care and newborn screening.

MDA's annual payments to IAFF, which ranged from $980,000 to $1.4 million between 2015 and 2020 according to U.S. Department of Labor filings, received some scrutiny for their size relative to the charity's expenditures.

Telethon
Debuting in 1966 and held annually on Labor Day weekend until 2014, the telethon was originally hosted by veteran film star, comedian and singer Jerry Lewis, who also served as the MDA's national chairman since its inception in 1950 and hosted the show until 2010. In 2005, the MDA made the unprecedented decision to pledge $1 million of the telethon's money raised to Hurricane Katrina disaster relief, making the donation specifically to the Salvation Army (though the telethon also urged viewers to give to the American Red Cross). In 2008, the annual televised fundraiser raised a record $65,031,393. Originally broadcast for up to 21½ hours from 1966 to 2010, the event was cut back to six hours in 2011. The 2011 edition of the telethon was originally announced to have been Lewis' last as host, with him continuing his role as national chairman; however, on August 3, 2011, the MDA announced that Lewis resigned as host and chairman, due to circumstances not revealed. However, in 2016, one year before his death, Lewis broke a five-year silence in a video endorsing MDA's redesigned web site and brand, declaring that the work to end muscular dystrophy be continued.

Additionally, Lewis' support was so ironclad over the years that children and adults assisted by MDA are referred to as Jerry's Kids. From 2012 to 2014, the show was known as the MDA Show of Strength. In early 2015, the organization announced it was discontinuing the show.

On September 9, 2020, MDA executives announced plans to relaunch their annual MDA telethon with a new host, comedian Kevin Hart. Entitled The MDA Kevin Hart Kids Telethon, the new two-hour telethon was seen exclusively through participating social media platforms; the event was broadcast October 24, 2020, at 8 p.m. EDT. The special was a dual-charity event, with proceeds going towards both MDA and "Help From The Hart", an organization founded by the aforementioned new host of the program. Hart's charity announced that it will use its portion of funds raised to "support education, health and social needs programs targeting underserved communities and servicing youth through education scholarships." The telethon was accompanied by a 10-hour Let's Play livestream, called Let's Play For A Cure, which featured DJ and producer Zedd, gaming personality missharvey and esports athletes. The livestream was a part of a week-long "streamathon", which featured esports stars playing games including League of Legends, Rocket League, Fortnite, Call of Duty and Fall Guys.

Following the Kevin Hart Kids Telethon was MDA's 70th Anniversary Show, hosted by entertainment TV journalists Nancy O'Dell and Jann Carl.

MDA Clinical & Scientific Conference
The MDA Clinical & Scientific Conference is a prominent event that gathers over 2,000 professionals, including scientists and clinicians, specializing in neuromuscular diseases. The conference showcases research, fosters collaborations, and promotes the latest advancements in the field. It covers various aspects of research, from pre-clinical to clinical, and supports the development of improved care and treatment for the neuromuscular community. The conference also hosts the Annual Insights in Research Investment Summit, which focuses on research and investment stakeholders in neuromuscular diseases. The 2023 conference featured a keynote address by Dr. Peter Marks, director of the FDA's Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, on the growing impact of gene therapies in treating rare disorders.

Quest Media
MDA publishes a quarterly magazine, Quest, catering to people with neuromuscular diseases and their caretakers. Mindy Henderson, diagnosed with type 2 spinal muscular atrophy (SMA) and a patient advocate, is the editor-in-chief as of 2023. The magazine, with a circulation of around 100,000, extends its reach through distribution at neurologists' offices and the MDA's network of 150 care centers across the country. Besides focusing on science and research, Quest's coverage includes adaptive lifestyles, travel, medical equipment, accessible fashion, employment, and media representation.

MDA Summer Camp
Every summer, for one week, thousands of children from across the country who have been diagnosed with neuromuscular diseases are able to attend a camp designated for only them. MDA Summer Camp offers children and young adults the opportunity to participate in recreational activities that foster independence, self-confidence, skill development, and lifelong friendships. There is a one counselor to one camper ratio and the entire week the children, ages 8–17, are paired with an adult volunteer. They get to participate in fun activities and games and stay overnight. The camps are set up locally and are different weeks throughout the months of May through August. The entire camp staff are volunteer members and are required to interview and apply with good recommendations. The camp is offered at no cost to campers and their families, cost of the camp for the campers and volunteers is covered by the many fundraisers the MDA does each year.

Muscle Walk
Started in 2010, the MDA Muscle Walk is an annual 1 to 3.1 mile lap event held in over 150 communities across the United States to raise money for research and patient services. In 2022, MDA resumed in-person Muscle Walks in numerous locations, including Phoenix, Chicago, St. Louis, Detroit, Boston, Twin Cities, Houston, and Dallas, while continuing to offer a virtual Muscle Walk option to enhance participation flexibility.

Shamrocks retail fundraising campaign
Throughout February and March, retailers across the US contribute to the MDA Shamrocks campaign, the largest St. Patrick's Day fundraising initiative in the country. They provide customers with the opportunity to either round up their purchases or donate a specific amount, such as $1, $3, or $5. Customers can write their names on paper shamrocks, which are then displayed in stores to show support for MDA's mission to empower people with neuromuscular diseases to lead longer, more independent lives.

Care Center Network
MDA's Care Center Network is recognized as the largest network of multidisciplinary clinics specializing in neuromuscular diseases in the United States, with over 150 clinics distributed throughout the country. In addition to offering specialized care, these centers are also active sites of research.

In 2023, MDA expanded its Resource Center by launching the Gene Therapy Support Network. This network provides resources and guidance about approved gene therapies for people living with neuromuscular diseases, aiming to help the community navigate the complexities of emerging gene therapies. Clinical networking through the MDA Care Center Network contributes additional support by facilitating best practice sharing between different care centers.

Diseases targeted
MDA targets a wide range of neuromuscular diseases, including muscular dystrophies, motor neuron diseases, ion channel diseases, mitochondrial diseases, myopathies, neuromuscular junction diseases, and peripheral nerve diseases. Specific examples include Duchenne muscular dystrophy (DMD), a severe form of muscular dystrophy, ALS (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), and Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease (CMT), which impacts peripheral nerves.

MDA also addresses numerous rare disorders, such as Andersen-Tawil syndrome, Laing distal myopathy, and Walker-Warburg syndrome. Additionally, the association covers conditions like Becker muscular dystrophy (BMD), congenital muscular dystrophies (CMD), myotonic dystrophy (DM), spinal muscular atrophy (SMA), and myasthenia gravis (MG).

Legislation
MDA supported the Newborn Screening Saves Lives Reauthorization Act of 2013 (H.R. 1281; 113th Congress), a bill that would amend the Public Health Service Act to reauthorize grant programs and other initiatives to promote expanded screening of newborns and children for heritable disorders. The MDA argued that "many of the drug therapies currently under development for MDA's community will be of most benefit if administered either presymptomatically or early in the progression of the disease. Thus, for some of the diseases in MDA's program, the availability of a newborn screening program at the time of treatment availability presents the best opportunity for impacting optimal and potential lifesaving treatment outcomes."

MDA supported the Paul D. Wellstone Muscular Dystrophy Community Assistance, Research and Education Amendments of 2013 (H.R. 594; 113th Congress), a bill that would amend the Public Health Service Act to revise the muscular dystrophy research program of the National Institutes of Health (NIH). MDA argued that "a great deal of work still needs to be done, and increased federal support is needed to ensure that researchers can continue making progress toward finding a cure."

In December 2021, President Joe Biden signed the Accelerating Access to Critical Therapies for ALS Act into law. The act aimed to speed up the development and approval of therapies for ALS and other neuromuscular diseases. During the signing ceremony President Biden acknowledged the Muscular Dystrophy Association for playing a crucial role in advocating for the legislation.

In May 2024, MDA supported the reauthorization of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) through a $105 billion bill passed by Congress. The legislation includes improvements in air travel accessibility for people with disabilities, representing significant progress in this area.

Independent charity assessments
MDA is recognized by the Better Business Bureau's Wise Giving Alliance as an accredited charity that meets all 20 Standards for Charity Accountability. As of the year ending December 31, 2022, MDA reported significant funding directed towards patient and community services, professional public health education, and research. The organization's financial activities, leadership compensation, and fundraising methods are transparently disclosed, emphasizing their commitment to accountability and ethical practices.

Charity Navigator, which is the largest independent evaluator of charities, gives MDA two out of four stars based on Financial, Accountability, and Transparency Performance Metrics. In 2019, CharityWatch gave MDA a grade of D, citing many financial issues in the organization.

MDA has received the Candid Platinum Seal of Transparency from GuideStar, recognizing its commitment to transparency and accountability.

Criticism
MDA and Lewis have been criticized by disability rights activists for their tendency to paint disabled people as, these advocates say, "pitiable victims who want and need nothing more than a big charity to take care of or cure them."

External links and sources

 * Muscular Dystrophy Association's website
 * MDA Puerto Rico website
 * Wise Giving Alliance report on MDA from the Better Business Bureau
 * The Kids Are All Right, a documentary film critical of the MDA and Jerry Lewis

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