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Personal attacks
Hi,

I stumbled onto the edit war in Circumcision and I just wanted to remind you of a few things. First, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a forum for activism. This goes for both you and the anti-circumcision activists. Your goal should be NPOV, not thwarting their edits in any way possible. Deleting references is a no-no, for example. If there is a non-registration source it would be preferred, but it's fine to link to an article with registration required if that's the only available source.

Second, please don't engage in personal attacks. It's against the rules and all it does is further entrench you and your opponent. I understand that it can be frustrating but personal attacks are not constructive and are prohibited. Examples: "Don't be so pompous," "shrill defenders of the prepuce."

Thank you. Rhobite 22:20, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC)

Robert, Personal attacks are not acceptable on Wikipedia, e.g. "You must be braindead". See Wikiquette for more details. Thanks. Rls 22:05, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Circumcision etc.
Hi Robert,

I'd like to elaborate a bit on the circumcision issue. It is clear to me that this is a very important topic to you and you feel like you are defending yourself against "freaks" who like to use Wikipedia as a vehicle to spread propaganda against circumcision.

I'll freely admit that I'm opposed to routine neonatal circumcision, although I have of course no objections should someone choose to have the procedure done on their own accord. I am, however, not an anti-circumcision advocate; that is, I do not actively evangelize about this issue.

There are also clearly some strong evangelists for the pro and counter side who have been trying to have their point of view represented and the other one deleted. If you look at the history of Talk:Circumcision and Talk:Medical analysis of circumcision, you'll find that I've spent a lot of time talking to even anonymous users in order to find fair solutions and include points of view which are valid. In some of the edits I've made of your revisions, I've left some of your changes intact (no pun intended), and I found some of your edits to be useful.

However, let me describe two cases where I think your changes have not been useful:

Slapping "totally disputed" on pages. This keeps getting reverted by multiple people, and for good reasons. These tags are, by policy, intended to be used in cases where there is an active dispute over the contents of a page. Objections in Wikipedia always have to be actionable, otherwise they are merely opinion. I am genuinely interested in what of the "history" article, for example, you find non-neutral and messy, and would certainly like to see it improved. But unless you are willing to take the time to explain what you want to see improved, please do not mark articles as such.

Removing references and, in some instances, useful information. Really, if you take a few steps back, you will have to admit that you exaggerated your case against using CIRP as a reference. It is completely acceptable for a scientific archive to add commentary, and for an archive on a subject like that, it is almost inevitable for that commentary to be one-sided. Honestly, if an equivalent pro-circumcision archive existed, would you have removed the links?

I've actually scoured the web and found no really informative pro-circumcision site. The closest is probably CIRCLIST, which is a mailing list archive, but it's not a scientific archive - you'll find everything from huge penis photos to women looking for surgeons to perform a clitoridotomy. Some of the stuff in there may be useful, but it is mostly opinion and hard to wade through.

CIRP has quite a few very relevant papers. However, I understand that you don't consider it neutral to have a link to a page which essentially (though not very loudly) opposes circumcision can be perceived as POV. So I would suggest that such links be categorically put at the end of articles, with a disclaimer explaining what CIRP is. That could be created at Template:CIRP Disclaimer, then you can include it wherever you want using.

Now, regarding the foreskin fetish article, I think you really know that what you're doing there is POV and are deliberately trying to push people's buttons. If I added the text "People who believe in Jesus Christ are unkindly referred to as 'Jesus Freaks'" to the article about Christianity, would you consider that neutral? I certainly would not. Yet "Jesus Freaks" gets 100 times as many hits on Google as "skin freaks" does. What is the point of including an insult in what is supposed to be a neutral encyclopedia article? This really only reinforces the barriers of communication.

I will assume good faith on your part and I hope that you are genuinely interested in improving Wikipedia. I can also accept that you currently view the circumcision articles as not neutral. Here's my suggestion to you: I think scientific opinion currently favors a beneficial link between circumcision and HIV prevention. If you want to productively and usefully improve the circ. articles, I think you should dig for scientific information on that. If that can get the other side to dig up some good rebuttals, so much the better for Wikipedia. You see, I'm interested in getting solid, hard facts into these articles, whether they are beneficial to my position or not. Nonsense like the "skin freaks" thing is just a waste of everyone's time, yours included.

To me, what it comes down to is this. The reason the pro-circumcision camp doesn't look so good in our articles is that they have fairly weak arguments. I have an open mind, I am not a "skin freak" and certainly willing to be proven wrong on that. But please, please give us hard facts and solid data with good sources, and let's attribute all sources properly if they are not clearly neutral. A project like Wikipedia can only work if people pursue essentially the same goal, that is, a neutral encyclopedia. Otherwise it will be in a constant state of war which nobody benefits from.--Eloquence*

Link to cirp.org
Hi. I was the one who reverted your omission of the link to a cirp.org study on Penis. Wikipedia should leave it up to the reader to form an opinion regarding externally linked sites. The view presented on Wikipedia should be neutral. The warning message you replaced my description with is not NPOV. Mine was NPOV, and if you dispute that you must tell me how it can be made better. I can tell you what is wrong with your message:

 * "Deception alert" is a negatively-charged expression (obviously)
 * Questioning their motivation is fine, but unilaterally stating that they aim to mislead people is not.
 * "Treat information with caution" is something that always should be done. I think we can trust the readers to know basic source evaluation themselves.
 * Calling the information propaganda and calling them a mouth-piece (without stating which organisation they're acting as a mouth-piece for) is not ok.

I have reverted your change, and expect you to reply to this message before changing the link message.

— David Remahl 07:02, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * I find it amusing how there is a clamour to defend the use of cirp.org as a source on the issue of circumcision. This is like using virusmyth.org as the definitive source on HIV/AIDS. Laughable. - Robert Brookes 16:35, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding so nicely to my request to stay NPOV in the link description. Your change was actually useful, and I hope that your involvement will continue to be as constructive as it was in this case. — David Remahl 20:29, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Maybe Robert knows he is wrong and biased but gets a kick out of making contravercial edits. I would ;) 209.197.155.68 01:24, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

POV edits
Hi just a quick note to explain how we do things around here. There are many issues that have people with strong opinions on both sides of an argument. Revert wars where one sides deletes the other opinion and vice vesa acheive nothing. NPOV solves this problem by including both sides of the argument. That way the reader get's to make thier own mind up.

E.g. Dr Cleverdick says "blah blah blah" in his research paper [here]. However Prof Smartarse argues that Cleverdick's research is flawed because "blah blah blah".

This way both sides get their POV in, but the article uitself remains neutral. Theresa Knott (Nate the Stork) 10:16, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I can see why others despair of trying to reason with you. --[[User:Ardonik|Ardonik(talk)]] 17:49, Sep 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * It is interesting that someone who is pushing an agenda tries to use (or rather misues the system) to suit their purpose. I am not sure that every off the wall theory needs to be included in every article to be NPOV. Lunatic fringe stuff should not be included, period! Thuis applies to your desperate need to force the inclusion of propoaganda. - Robert Brookes 16:35, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Robert, if you take issue with something I've added, please edit that rather than reverting all the changes in the article. Some of the changes I made to Foreskin involved corrected spellings ("suculas," for examples) and moving sentences and paragraphs around so that items are group more logically. Please do not revert the whole thing. If I've added something that is POV, let's discuss that rather than throwing out the baby with the bathwater. ---thickslab 16:56, Sep 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * I have no opinion one way or the other re circumscision, and am certainly not pushing an agenda. I am simply an admin here who is trying to prevent POV pushing. Compromise is how we do things here. Articles must be neutral. NPOV is not negotiable. Theresa Knott (Nate the Stork) 16:59, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Who Me? Heh heh, you are not preventing POV pushing you are POV pushing. Your integrity is being questioned. Anyone who knows anything about the anti-circumcision position will notice the dead give away signs in your edits immediately. - Robert Brookes 17:07, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Her, propaganda? I have never seen anyone on this Wikipedia revert articles as frequently as you; many others on the village pump are starting to notice this as well.  Talk is being made of sending you straight to the Arbitration Committee, but other more level-headed folks would simply like to see you on RFC.  Must you always assume the worst about the motivations of others?  --[[User:Ardonik|Ardonik(talk)]] 17:01, Sep 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * Is that a threat? I know the monomanical anti-circumcision activists. They are as rabid as the virusmyth crowd. Why do you not insist that they motivate their edits before dropping them in to the article? Do you have a conflict of interest that should be decalred? - Robert Brookes 17:07, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately for your argument, I am not a monomanical anti-circumcision activist. Theresa Knott (Nate the Stork) 17:20, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Robert, looking at many of my edits, most of them are wording changes, spelling corrections, or moving of sentences. How is changing "suculas" to "sulcus" or standardizing on "foreskin" vs. "prepuce" POV? Why should I have to justify correcting the spelling of "sulcus" or moving sentences into a more logical order? I never claimed that my changes were ONLY spelling corrections, but if you're going to take issue with what I've added, please don't revert the other changes.  ---thickslab 17:12, Sep 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * As I said elsewhere. Correct the spelling and do the formatting in one edit (and do not try to slip in the propaganda under the guise of that action). Thereafter motivate your content edits on a case by case basis. - Robert Brookes 17:18, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * OK, so tell me which points I added that you think are not NPOV and can re-do the edits without adding the changes that you disagree wth. ---thickslab 17:22, Sep 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * Conflict of interest? Quite frankly, Robert, I could care less about the subject of circumcision, either pro or con; what I do care about is the Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View policy and how you seem to want it subverted.  (Now is your cue to tell me to buzz off because I'm not emotionally invested, right?)  You are confrontational and your remarks are inflammatory; you're being perceived, rightly or wrongly, as biting the hand of anyone who dares to reach out to you.  Mine included now, I guess.  --[[User:Ardonik|Ardonik(talk)]] 17:19, Sep 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * I can not for the life of me see how you can claim that I am subverting NPOV. You are able to provide a detailed body of evidence in this regard? BTW can you indicate where you have communicated like this to those who insist upon using wikipedia as a vehicle for their anti-circumcision propaganda? I need to believe you are being even handed here. - Robert Brookes 17:35, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * "Anti-circumcision propoganda?" Anyway, your contributions speak for themselves.  I was actually going to do start digging up diffs as you requested, but on second thought, it would probably be a waste of my time; you'd just deny them, contest my interpretation of them, and ask for more suitable  evidence.  The burden is always on others to prove you wrong, and never on you.  No self-reflection, no "I guess I am a bit confrontational," no "tell me how might I come to an agreement," no "I'm sorry if I'm coming off as harsh."
 * Please make your case at Requests for comment/Robert Brookes. --[[User:Ardonik|Ardonik(talk)]] 19:05, Sep 4, 2004 (UTC)

RfC
Robert, please join us on Requests for comment/Robert Brookes. There is a section on the page where you are afforded the opportunity to defend yourself and refute unjust accusations. I want to believe that you are not a troll, and that you are truly interested in expanding and improving this wonderful encyclopedia. But by flaunting procedures that were established by the community specifically to avoid conflict, you are demonstrating to others an unwillingness to compromise. Your future edits will not be looked upon in a favorable light if you cannot show good faith in resolving this dispute. Furthermore, RfC is just a few short steps away from the Arbitration committee, which can block you from editing the Wikipedia altogether.

Look, I know how the self-described "intactivists" can behave (see my current discussion with Ualabio and DanP in Talk:Violence, where I feel that they are attempting to inject their POV), and I know the frustration you must feel with their group mentality and unwillingness to acknowledge the validity of opposing viewpoints. But I also understand their frustration with you, and I have told them as much--your vituperance and rudeness only serve to harden them and encourage them to redouble their efforts. I want all the POV material, pro- or anti-circumcision, removed or limited in scope to the few articles in which a description of the conflict is both relevant and can be treated even-handedly. But to do that, I will need both your help and their help, since I am an outsider to the debate. We can resolve this conflict and make these articles better for everyone involved, but we have to work together. Step one will be clearing your name on RfC.

Please, if you disagree with my words, at least consider them. You can write a message on my talk page if you want to continue this discussion by other means. --Ardonik.talk 02:30, Sep 9, 2004 (UTC)

Whoa, there!
I'm on your side when it comes to circ, I think. Or, at least, I stand against some of the rabid anti-circ people. But I do so because I want to build a good encyclopedia by consensus.

When you make a change and someone backs it out, don't go back and make the same change and call it "a small tweak." That's an attempt to hide what you're doing. That should never be done.

If the change you want to make is unequivocally right (i.e., you are NPOV-ing something and somebody keeps messing it up), defend and revert up to three times a day, and say what you are doing in the edit summary. If it keeps happening post on the talk page.

But when you are submitting a change that you know has been controversial in the past, don't try to hide it as "a small tweak," like you just suddenly had this great idea for a small tweak to the article. That's dishonest. Go to the talk page and discuss it. Seek consensus. If someone is genuinely wrecking NPOV, seek help. (I'm available to help you watch articles, if necessary.) Trying to slip stuff past people who disagree with your changes is contrary to the spirit of an open encyclopedia. Besides that, it never works, because they always come back. Jdavidb 16:29, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Ah, I see you are editing again, so I know you have logged in and had the chance to see your messages. Your two most recent edits look fine to me, although I understand the whole business of having a disclaimer for CIRP is a bit iffy to some people. Since you are editing, you should go participate in the Request for Comments. If you intend to make edits in the future that will be NPOV, then just go there and state so. Otherwise people may force you off Wikipedia, and if you intend to continue to make positive contributions, that would be a shame. But what choice would they have, if you don't address the very real NPOV concerns that have been expressed? Without you saying, "I'm not going to do that again; I'll seek consensus on the talk page in the future, and help from abritrators when that is not possible," how do they know whether your future edits are going to be peaceful or not?

BTW, the Request for Comments lists several relevant policies. One of them is that you should always explain reverts. I didn't know that myself. From here on out I highly encourage you to always explain your reverts. I've seen you assert that you didn't need to do so. Well, that's not the Wikipedia rules, so if you want to stay, you pretty much have to.

If you don't like the rules, everything in Wikipedia is Copyrights available for you to take and go make your own encyclopedia, if you'd rather.

Personal attacks
Personal attacks are not allowed on Wikipedia. Please be aware that continued personal attacks on your part can lead to your being blocked from editing Wikipedia. Snowspinner 20:04, Sep 9, 2004 (UTC)

Ban on editing sex-related articles
1) For the duration of this arbitration proceeding, Robert the Bruce (or the same person editing under any account or IP) is prohibited from editing any articles which relate to sex (in particular those relating to foreskin and circumcision). Admins can treat any edit to these articles as a violation of 3RR and act accordingly.

See Requests_for_arbitration/Robert_the_Bruce. --mav 00:34, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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Caney Fork River

The Caney Fork River is a river that flows through central Tennessee in the United States, draining a substantial portion of the southwestern Cumberland Plateau and southeastern Highland Rim regions. It is a major tributary of the Cumberland River, and is part of the Cumberland, Ohio and Mississippi basins. The river is 143 mi long, and its watershed covers 1771 mi2 in eleven counties. Monterey, Baxter, Sparta, Smithville, McMinnville, Altamont, Spencer and Gordonsville are among the towns that are at least partially drained by the river.

The Caney Fork flows through two impoundments— Center Hill Lake and Great Falls Lake— both of which create sizeable artificial lakes. The river's basin is home to numerous protected lands and recreational areas, including five state wilderness areas, six interpretive areas, and a wildlife management area. Two state parks— Edgar Evins State Park and Rock Island State Park— are located along the river, and three others— Fall Creek Falls State Park, Burgess Falls State Park and South Cumberland State Park— are located within its basin. The river is a popular stream for canoeing and kayaking.

The name "Caney Fork" comes from the dense cane breaks that grew along the river's banks when European explorers first arrived in the area.

The river is a major drainage feature of the Cumberland Plateau and the largest tributary of the Cumberland River.

Geography
The Caney Fork rises in Cumberland County about 6 mi west-northwest of Crossville before flowing southwest and crossing into White County. In southeastern White County it descends off the Cumberland Plateau through a deep and steep gorge known as Scott's Gulf in a remote area west of Scott Pinnacle, a locally-known mountain. Farther downstream, near the Dodson community, the stream becomes the border between White and Van Buren County. It receives the flow of the Calfkiller River and several minor tributaries.

Located at the confluence of the Caney Fork, the Collins River and the Rocky River, is Great Falls Lake. This reservoir is impounded by Great Falls Dam, a project of the former Tennessee Electric Power Company, now owned and operated by the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA). This is the only dam outside of the Tennessee River drainage system directly operated by TVA. This dam impounds a very small but very deep lake due to the depth of the gorges carved by the rivers it impounds. This area was something of a resort area in the early 20th century when such projects were uncommon, especially in the southeastern United States, but other than a few cabins, there is little evidence of this today, as the area has been largely supplanted by larger, more modern developments. The dam is named for the Great Falls of the Caney Fork, caused by the descent of the stream off of the Highland Rim to the level of the Nashville Basin. Located on the lake is Rock Island State Park, developed on the site of former woolen mills in the 19th century predating the electrical development. This area was used for a considerable number of exterior shots and stunts in the Sylvester Stallone film, The Specialist.

At the foot of Great Falls Dam the water is usually slack except during periods of high discharge due to the influence of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Center Hill Dam project in DeKalb County further downstream, developed in the late 1950s. Unlike the Great Falls Dam, this project flooded several small communities and thousands of acres of land previously devoted to agriculture. It is crossed by a particularly scenic bridge on State Route 56. Along its shores is Edgar Evins State Park, named for the father of the area's former Representative, Joe L. Evins, former chairman of the House Appropriations Committee.

Below Center Hill Dam, the stream crosses into Smith County and is bridged by Interstate 40 five times in under four miles. This downstream section is annually stocked with Rainbow, Brown, and Brook trout by the Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency (TWRA), and is considered to be one of the best trout rivers in the state. A final bridge, reconstructed in 2014, is on U.S. Route 70N near the Elmwood community. The river's mouth into the Cumberland River, which is considered to be a world class striper fishery, is almost directly opposite the Smith County seat of Carthage. A farm belonging to former Vice President Al Gore and formerly his late father, Senator Albert Gore Sr., is located along here.

In popular culture
The bluegrass band Balsam Range has a song of the same name on their album "Last Train to Kitty Hawk".

Canadian Folksinger, Old Man Luedecke has a song entitled "Caney Fork River" on his album "My Hands Are On Fire and Other Love Songs."

Country and Bluegrass Artist, Carl Ray has a new song entitled "Caney Fork." http://www.carlray.com

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Talk:Notebook for Anna Magdalena Bach

There seems to be an issue of plagiarism between this page and the article on Anna Magdalena's Notebook on pianosociety.com. see in particular the listings of the works included in the two volumes. I don't know which way the plagiarism goes, and I'm not sure if I'm reporting this properly. If not, hopefully someone can steer me in the right direction.

Untitled
Why is this a separate article? What does it mean without context? Why is Bach's name not in the title? Wetman 23:05, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Why is this a separate article? - why not? There's not enough space in the main JSB article for this much information. Same goes for the list of JSB's works. French Wikipedia has a separate article on the Bayun manuscript, for instance.. I can't see why this is a problem.
 * What does it mean without context? - well, I clarified some things, mentioned JSB several times, do things look better now? I also referenced this article in List of compositions by Johann Sebastian Bach if you meant that context.
 * Why is Bach's name not in the title? - "Notebook for Anna Magdalena Bach" is the standard way to refer to both manuscripts (usually reserved for the 1725 though, but thats stated in the article). Its not like they're usually called "Johann Sebastian Bach's Anna Magdalena Bach notebooks", and this is why JSB's name is not in the title. Jashiin 12:21, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

August Pfeiffer's books' titles
Both the first and the third books' titles can be found easily, and I can clearly see "Anti-calvinismus" (the first book) and "AntiMelancholicus" (the third book) on the image. states that the second book is Evangelische Christen Schule and lists David Yearsley's book as its source, so I mentioned it in the article, however, Bach's writing doesn't look anything like "Evangelische Christen Schule" to me.. There's "item" and.. uh.. well, I don't know. It'd be great if someone could solve this mystery or at least read what Bach wrote. Jashiin 12:13, 10 April 2006 (UTC) Disregard that, I just found the explanation. Jashiin 18:37, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

 * So what, pray tell, is the answer?? : )  I myself wouldn't have added the names of the books, since it's a not-particularly-useful bit of data.
 * I'll make an edit today with the explanation. The problem was that Bach used a different sort of script for the second book and shortened the title, so the whole thing goes "Christen Schule item", kind of misleading and not very obvious because of the script.

 * By the way, good job on adding to the article. That kind of detail is what sets Wikipedia apart from the other on-line encyclopedias.  My own sources did not go into the detail that yours did.  We should probably add references to the article.

 * I would like to add back the bit about most of the 1722 notebook being in Bach's hand (or maybe it just got moved - I'll look again). Again, good job  Oscar 02:41, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the compliments! My main source for these smaller details is a volume of the 19th century Bach edition, Bach Gesellschaft. There are lengthy prefaces in every volume, and the AMB notebook one has all kinds of stuff about the compositions. I'll add a reference as well as the bit you mention. Jashiin 09:03, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Me again! Great job adding further detail.  I also like the way you've re-arranged the images and added others.  Congratulations for a fine, fine piece of work.  Oscar 02:50, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Jashiin, you've done a very nice job building on this. Eusebeus 16:51, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Location
Where are the two manuscripts now and where did the scans come from? 00:12, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

pictures
can somebody put the pictures in commons? --Bouncey2k

BWV 511, 512
I've been looking at the scores for these two pieces at http://www.imslp.org/wiki/Notebook_for_Anna_Magdalena_Bach_%28Bach%2C_Johann_Sebastian%29

511 is in D minor and 512 is in E minor.

Unless someone can explain otherwise, I'll make corrections in the article. Swmcd 00:16, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

The correction was not made, though, or was reversed. That BWV 512 is in E minor is corroborated by a recording by Rosalyn Turek. I'll make the change and see what happens. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.249.208.196 (talk) 05:25, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Hong Kong film
I have added the following info:
 * Anna Magdalena, a 1998 Hong Kong film titled after the Notebook. Minuet in G is featured extensively throughout the movie

Still, I could not identify which of the several Minuets in G is played in the movie. Maybe a specialist could help. Thanks! olivier (talk) 09:17, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

notebook has nothing to do with Anna Magdalena
what is the correct word for the german 'Notenbuch' ? I know sheet music but notebook is a term of the computer hardware. I think it sounds very strange. Could a native speaker help ?

--Metzner (talk) 07:20, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

 * Both terms, the English "notebook" and the German "Notenbuch", carry several meanings, including the one pertinent in this context. The term is widely used in English music writings and I'm not aware of any other translation. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:33, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Anna Magdalena's Notebook
Maybe this is another one of those situations like "Driving License" (British) vs. "Driver's License" (what Americans call it) vs. "Driver License" (what it actually says on your Driver's License, i.e, no apostrophe ess), but I've always known it as "Anna Magdalena's Notebook" with an apostrophe and an ess. Zyxwv99 (talk) 22:36, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Demo
All demo play are just horrible, not professional, bad played. Please delete or change them with something decent or you become ridiculous. 88.147.50.205 (talk) 10:54, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Unsatisfactory quality of the video recordings presented on the electric keyboard
The quality of the electric keyboard performances of various selections from these notebooks is unsatisfactory, and inappropriate to be featured on a Wikipedia page.

What are the options of sourcing audio or video and even linking to performances on other websites such as YouTube?

As a professional concert pianist oh, I'm also happy to record these.

Is there any mechanism by which unprepared amateur students can be discouraged to and flagged for posting media that is unrepresentative of the pieces purportedly being portrayed?

Danpianoman (talk) 02:34, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

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Toby Moody

Toby Moody is a British motor sport and automotive presenter and sports commentator focused on F1, MotoGP and the World Rally Raid championship that includes the Dakar Rally.

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John Seymour (California politician)

John Francis Seymour Jr. (born December 3, 1937) is an American retired politician who served as a United States senator from California from 1991 to 1992. A member of the Republican Party, he was appointed to continue Pete Wilson's term but lost the special election to finish it to Democratic nominee and former San Francisco mayor Dianne Feinstein. As of 2024, he is the last Republican to serve as a U.S. senator from California and the last man to have served as a United States Senator from California for the Class 1 Senate seat. Seymour was also the last U.S. senator from Southern California until Alex Padilla took office on January 20, 2021, replacing Kamala Harris when she was inaugurated as vice president of the United States.

Life and career
Born in Chicago, Seymour attended public schools in Mt. Lebanon, Pennsylvania. He served in the United States Marine Corps from 1955 to 1959 and graduated from the University of California, Los Angeles in 1962. Seymour was the president of the California Association of Realtors from 1978 to 1982, and worked in the real estate business from 1962 to 1981.

Seymour served Anaheim as a member of its city council from 1974 to 1978, as the 39th mayor of Anaheim from 1978 to 1982, and as a state senator from 1982 to 1991. In the California Senate, his voting record was that of a moderate or liberal Republican; he voted to ban assault weapons, to outlaw discrimination against people with AIDS, and to increase spending for social programs including education and mental health benefits. As mayor of Anaheim, Seymour was instrumental in recruiting the Los Angeles Rams to move to Anaheim Stadium.

In 1991, Seymour was appointed to the U.S. Senate by Governor Pete Wilson to serve in the seat Wilson had vacated to become governor. Seymour's appointment lasted until the 1992 special election to select a replacement who would serve until the normal expiration of Wilson's term in 1995. Former San Francisco mayor Dianne Feinstein defeated Seymour in the special election.

After his Senate term, Seymour served as director of the California Housing Finance Agency for two years, and later served as CEO of the nonprofit Southern California Housing Development Corporation and on the boards of directors of several housing-related companies including IndyMac Bank, Orange Coast Title Insurance, Los Angeles Federal Savings Bank, and Irvine Apartment Communities. Seymour currently lives in San Marcos, California.

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Factor (programming language)

Factor is a stack-oriented programming language created by Slava Pestov. Factor is dynamically typed and has automatic memory management, as well as powerful metaprogramming features. The language has a single implementation featuring a self-hosted optimizing compiler and an interactive development environment. The Factor distribution includes a large standard library.

History
Slava Pestov created Factor in 2003 as a scripting language for a video game. The initial implementation, now referred to as JFactor, was implemented in Java and ran on the Java Virtual Machine. Though the early language resembled modern Factor superficially in terms of syntax, the modern language is very different in practical terms and the current implementation is much faster.

The language has changed significantly over time. Originally, Factor programs centered on manipulating Java objects with Java's reflection capabilities. From the beginning, the design philosophy has been to modify the language to suit programs written in it. As the Factor implementation and standard libraries grew more detailed, the need for certain language features became clear, and they were added. JFactor did not have an object system where the programmer could define their own classes, and early versions of native Factor were the same; the language was similar to Scheme in this way. Today, the object system is a central part of Factor. Other important language features such as tuple classes, combinator inlining, macros, user-defined parsing words and the modern vocabulary system were only added in a piecemeal fashion as their utility became clear.

The foreign function interface was present from very early versions to Factor, and an analogous system existed in JFactor. This was chosen over creating a plugin to the C part of the implementation for each external library that Factor should communicate with, and has the benefit of being more declarative, faster to compile and easier to write.

The Java implementation initially consisted of just an interpreter, but a compiler to Java bytecode was later added. This compiler only worked on certain procedures. The Java version of Factor was replaced by a version written in C and Factor. Initially, this consisted of just an interpreter, but the interpreter was replaced by two compilers, used in different situations. Over time, the Factor implementation has grown significantly faster.

Description
Factor is a dynamically typed, functional and object-oriented programming language. Code is structured around small procedures, called words. In typical code, these are 1–3 lines long, and a procedure more than 7 lines long is very rare. Something that would idiomatically be expressed with one procedure in another programming language would be written as several words in Factor.

Each word takes a fixed number of arguments and has a fixed number of return values. Arguments to words are passed on a data stack, using reverse Polish notation. The stack is used just to organize calls to words, and not as a data structure. The stack in Factor is used in a similar way to the stack in Forth; for this, they are both considered stack languages. For example, below is a snippet of code that prints out "hello world" to the current output stream: "hello world" print is a word in the  vocabulary that takes a string from the stack and returns nothing. It prints the string to the current output stream (by default, the terminal or the graphical listener).

The factorial function $$n!$$ can be implemented in Factor in the following way:

Not all data has to be passed around only with the stack. Lexically scoped local variables let one store and access temporaries used within a procedure. Dynamically scoped variables are used to pass things between procedure calls without using the stack. For example, the current input and output streams are stored in dynamically scoped variables.

Factor emphasizes flexibility and the ability to extend the language. There is a system for macros, as well as for arbitrary extension of Factor syntax. Factor's syntax is often extended to allow for new types of word definitions and new types of literals for data structures. It is also used in the XML library to provide literal syntax for generating XML. For example, the following word takes a string and produces an XML document object which is an HTML document emphasizing the string: The word  duplicates the top item on the stack. The  stands for filling in that part of the XML document with an item from the stack.

Implementation and libraries
Factor includes a large standard library, written entirely in the language. These include
 * A cross-platform GUI toolkit, built on top of OpenGL and various windowing systems, used for the development environment.
 * Bindings to several database libraries, including PostgreSQL and SQLite.
 * An HTTP server and client, with the Furnace web framework.
 * Efficient homogeneous arrays of integers, floats and C structs.
 * A library implementing regular expressions, generating machine code to do the matching.

A foreign function interface is built into Factor, allowing for communication with C, Objective-C and Fortran programs. There is also support for executing and communicating with shaders written in GLSL.

Factor is implemented in Factor and C++. It was originally bootstrapped from an earlier Java implementation. Today, the parser and the optimizing compiler are written in the language. Certain basic parts of the language are implemented in C++ such as the garbage collector and certain primitives.

Factor uses an image-based model, analogous to many Smalltalk implementations, where compiled code and data are stored in an image. To compile a program, the program is loaded into an image and the image is saved. A special tool assists in the process of creating a minimal image to run a particular program, packaging the result into something that can be deployed as a standalone application.

The Factor compiler implements many advanced optimizations and has been used as a target for research in new optimization techniques.

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Stephen Hawes

Stephen Hawes (c. 1474 – 1523) was an English poet of the Tudor period.

Life
He was probably born in Suffolk when the surname was common. If his own statement of his age may be trusted, he was born about 1474. He was educated at Oxford and travelled in England, Scotland and France. On his return his various accomplishments, especially his most excellent vein in poetry, procured him a place at court. He was Groom of the Chamber to Henry VII as early as 1502. According to Anthony Wood, he could repeat by heart the works of most of the English poets, especially the poems of John Lydgate, whom he called his master. He was still living in 1521, when it is stated in Henry VIII's household accounts that £6, 13s. 4d. was paid to Mr Hawes for his play; he died before 1530, when Thomas Field, in his Conversation between a Lover and a Jay, wrote "Yong Steven Hawse, whose soule God pardon, Treated of love so clerkly and well".

Some critics, notably C.S. Lewis, have treated Hawes dismissively: "faculty was what he lacked; there was more and better poetry in him than he could express", referring to his "broken-backed metre and dull excursions into the seven liberal arts". But his metre is not consistently broken-backed: from time to time (though not very often) one encounters lines that would not have disgraced either Chaucer before him or Spenser after him: "The fragraunt fumes / dyde well encense out // All mysty vapours / of perturbacyon // ore lyker was / her habytacyon // Vnto a place / whiche is celestyall // Than to a terrayne / mancyon fatall" or "By her propre hande / soft as ony sylke // With due obeysaunce / I dyde her than take // Her skynne was whyte / as whalles bone or mylke // My thoughtes was rauysshed / I myght not aslake // My brennynge hert / she the fyre dyde make // These daunces truely / musyke hath me tought // To lute or daunce / but it auayled nought" and so on, where, so long as one pronounces at least some of the final e 's, the metre seems to work quite well.

Novelist Hilda Lamb made Hawes a character of her novel "The Willing Heart" published in 1958, where he is fictionally portrayed as an illegitimate son of King Richard III's. No contemporary documents support this assumption.

Works
His major work is The History of Graunde Amour and la Bel Pucel, conteining the knowledge of the Seven Sciences and the Course of Mans Life in this Worlde or The Passetyme of Pleasure, printed by Wynkyn de Worde in 1509, but finished three years earlier. It was also printed with slightly varying titles by the same printer in 1517, by J. Wayland in 1554, by Richard Tottel and by John Waley in 1555. Tottel's edition was edited by T. Wright and reprinted by the Percy Society in 1846.

The Passetyme of Pleasure is a long allegorical poem in seven-lined stanzas of man's life in this world. It is divided into sections after the manner of Le Morte d'Arthur and borrows the machinery of romance. Its main motive is the education of the knight, Graunde Amour, based, according to William John Courthope (History of English Poetry, vol. I. 382), on the Marriage of Mercury and Philology, by Martianus Capella, and the details of the description prove Hawes to have been acquainted with medieval systems of philosophy. At the suggestion of Fame, and accompanied by her two greyhounds, Grace and Governance, Graunde Amour starts out in quest of La Bel Pucel. He first visits the Tower of Doctrine or Science where he acquaints himself with the arts of grammar, logic, rhetoric and arithmetic. After a long disputation with the lady in the Tower of Music he returns to his studies, and after sojourns at the Tower of Geometry, the Tower of Doctrine, the Castle of Chivalry, etc., he arrives at the Castle of La Bel Pucel, where he is met by Peace, Mercy, Justice, Reason and Memory. His happy marriage does not end the story, which goes on to tell of the oncoming of Age, with the concomitant evils of Avarice and Cunning. The admonition of Death brings Contrition and Conscience, and it is only when Remembraunce has delivered an epitaph chiefly dealing with the Seven Deadly Sins, and Fame has enrolled Graunde Amours name with the knights of antiquity, that we are allowed to part with the hero. This long imaginative poem was widely read and esteemed, and certainly exercised an influence on the genius of Edmund Spenser.

Hawes' poetry sought to revive the earlier medieval romances and allegorical poems which he much admired. Other works of Hawes include The Conversyon of Swerers (1509) and A Joyfidi Medytenon to all Englonde, a coronation poem (1509).

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Talk:Fu

-- From VfD:

Dictdef of a slang term. RickK 23:09, Aug 10, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: Slang term, but it has been around for quite a while. I think it originates in Joe Bob Briggs's movie reviews, where he refers to any exploitative element in a movie as -fu.  It's funny when he says it. Geogre 02:19, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Please Merge with Kung fu . The phenomenon of appending "-fu" to words and "your [whatever] is weak" jokes are extremely widespread. And Animefu, is, in fact, a popular Anime website linked from the front page of Slashdot. - RedWordSmith 02:44, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * On second thought, Gwalla's right, the Kung Fu article actually is a bit long. Just plain keep. - RedWordSmith 21:42, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Widely-used suffix with an interesting, if silly, history. Wile E. Heresiarch 06:33, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Agreed with Wile E. Also, merging with Kung Fu would merely clutter that article with something that isn't terribly relevant to its topic. Keep.   — Gwalla | Talk 18:19, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Aside from the reasons already mentioned, suffixes are included in Wikipedia. I don't see any reason to exclude a slang term. Maybe we need an article listing slang suffixes? • Benc • 22:57, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. I've done a bit of work on it. Fire Star 18:25, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Reasonably close to encyclopedic. - Nat Krause 20:49, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Your wiki-fu is strong, Fire Star. Keep. DS 00:32, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Seems meaningless.  No one knows what it means.  ("Peeping-Tom fu. Handcuff fu". "Flame-thrower Fu". "Whiskey-bottle Fu". ???) Joe Bob Briggs seems to use it for everything and anything; it'll mean garbage soon. Mandel 11:47, Aug 18, 2004 (UTC)

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Explanation needed
"Fu is a word meaning expertise" appears to be an unsubstantiated claim - when and where does fu = expertise? A link to a relevant, explanatory page would be more useful than a link to "expertise". 192.43.227.18 07:15, 5 June 2006 (UTC) ws
 * I agree. Some explanation needed here. A bare link to "expertise" is not informative. Acsenray 19:12, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

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Indianola, Texas

Indianola is a ghost town located on Matagorda Bay in Calhoun County, Texas, United States. The community, once the county seat of Calhoun County, is a part of the Victoria, Texas, Metropolitan Statistical Area. In 1875, the city had a population of 5,000, but on September 15 of that year, a powerful hurricane struck, killing between 150 and 300 and almost destroying the town. Indianola was rebuilt, only to be wiped out on August 19, 1886, by another intense hurricane followed by a fire. Indianola was designated a Recorded Texas Historic Landmark in 1963, marker number 2642.

German immigration port of entry
Prince Carl of Solms-Braunfels, representing the Adelsverein, selected Indian Point in December 1844 as the port of entry for the Verein colonists from Germany. Prince Solms renamed the port Carlshafen in honor of himself, Count Carl of Castell-Castell and Count Victor August of Leiningen-Westerburg-Alt-Leiningen whom Solms claimed had been christened Carl. Prince Solms' choice of Carlshafen and its inadequate accommodations as a port of entry, as well as the isolated route to New Braunfels, was to keep the Germans from interacting with any Americans. In February 1845 Henry Francis Fisher conspired with Dr. F. Schubbert to coerce incoming immigrants to sign legal documents disassociating themselves from the Verein and to join Schubbert's colony in Milam County.

In May 1846, John O. Meusebach received a letter from Count Castell informing him that 4,304 colonists were on their way to Texas. With no funds and no new settlements, the mass of emigrants was stalled at Carlshafen. Meusebach's requests to the Verein for more money, and his warnings at pending bankruptcy for the Verein, brought no results. As a last resort, Meusebach instructed D.H. Klaener to publish the plight in the German news media. Embarrassed by the publicity, the Verein established an inadequate $60,000 letter of credit. Meusebach had arranged with the Torrey Brothers for transporting the emigrants inland, but the United States hired the Torrey Brothers for use in the Mexican–American War. An epidemic of spinal meningitis broke out at Carlshafen and spread with the emigrants to New Braunfels and Fredericksburg.

Samuel Addition White and William M. Cook founded Indian Point, later Indianola, in August 1846. This settlement developed along a corridor of beachfront for twenty-three blocks. In 1849, the town changed its name from Indian Point to Indianola. In 1852, Calhoun County selected Indianola as its county seat. Some of these immigrants purchased land from Samuel White and established a settlement at Indian Point. The settlement's name was changed to Indianola in 1849 by combining the word Indian with ola, the Spanish word for "wave". The German immigrants continued to refer to the community as Carlshaven (Carl's Harbor) in honor of Prince Carl of Solms-Braunfels.

Post-German immigration years
From its founding in 1846, Indianola served as a major port, and before the 1875 storm was second only to Galveston, Texas as Texas' primary port. Charles Morgan established Indianola as a port of call for his gulf coast steamship line in 1849.

The town was incorporated in 1853. In 1856, the port received cargoes of camels, part of the United States Camel Corps experiment to replace horses and mules as the primary pack animal in the southwestern parts of the country.

During the American Civil War, Indianola was twice occupied by Union troops, in October 1862 and November 1863. During the second occupation, part of a Union infantry regiment while moving from Indianola to Matagorda Island drowned in Matagorda Bay.

In 1869, the world's first mechanically-refrigerated shipment of beef left Indianola for New Orleans.

During World War II, the United States Army constructed an anti-aircraft firing range along the Indianola shoreline to train gunners and the facility was used primarily by military personnel from Camp Hulen, located outside of Palacios.

Impact of storms
Having survived severe storms before, Indianola was almost totally destroyed on 16 September 1875. The New York Times reported in detail on the extensive loss of life and property. Even the lighthouses were swept away and the keepers, including Thomas H. Mayne and Edward Flick Jr. of the East Shoal Lighthouse, killed.

The town was rebuilt, but events were repeated in 1886. The destruction served as an abject lesson for many residents of Galveston, 100 miles up the Texas coast. However, their calls for a seawall to protect that city went unheeded, and Galveston nearly shared Indianola's fate when the Galveston Hurricane of 1900 struck the island.

The Indianola Railroad was proposed to connect the port of Indianola to San Antonio. After the two storms, discouraged investors abandoned the venture and made Galveston the port of choice. (After Galveston's hurricane, shipping traffic recentered over time to inland Houston).

After the 1886 storm, the county seat was moved to Port Lavaca. On October 4, 1887, the post office in Indianola was permanently closed and the town was declared "dead". Today, almost nothing remains of the original Indianola, as, due to storm erosion, most of the site of the city is now underwater. A granite marker was placed on the shore at the nearest point to the Indianola courthouse, now 300 feet (about 90 meters) away in Matagorda Bay. It reads, "Calhoun County Courthouse. Edward Beaumont, Architect 1859. During the Storms of 1875 and 1886, precious lives were saved within its walls of shell, concrete, and lime. Abandoned 1886." The site is also home to a statue of René-Robert Cavelier, Sieur de La Salle.

Indianola is now the site of a small unincorporated fishing village.

In literature
Frederick Olmsted describes Indianola in his 1860 memoir "Journey through Texas" with the following:

"At the entrance are some prominent gables, and it was so like the approach to a European seaport that we thought of our passports and the octroi officers. The beach on which the town is built is some three hundred yards in width, and extends about a mile in length, having but two parallel streets, front and back. It has a more busy and prosperous appearance than Lavacca, and is much larger, but is said to have less heavy business, and less capital. The rivalry is extreme and amusing. At Lavacca we heard of Indianola as 'a little village down the bay (they call it Indianola), where our vessels land goods on their way up.' Each consider the other to be sickly. Indianola has the advantage of the best water, and of the New Orleans steamers, which land at Powderhorn, a sort of hotel suburb, four miles below, by a hard beach-road, where nine to ten feet of water can be carried. [...] We spent a quiet Sunday at Indianola. The beach beyond the town forms a pleasant promenade, and we enjoyed to the full the calm sunny sea, which seemed like a return to an old friend, after our months of inland journeying. Our hotel was a great improvement on that of the day before. The Germans, who compose half the population, have the enterprise to cultivate vegetable gardens, which furnish, at least, salads at all seasons. Around one of these gardens we noticed a hedge of enormous prickly pear. The native oysters are large and abundant. Game of all kinds is cheap. (pp. 253-254) "

Jefferson McLemore published Indianola and Other Poems in 1904.

In Elizabeth Hand's novel Aestival Tide, a reconstructed Indianola is featured as the lowermost level of the central ziggurat in the dome city of Araboth.

In the novel Matagorda by the author Louis L'Amour, much of the action took place in Indianola, Texas on the day it was destroyed by the 1875 hurricane. The courthouse, the site of which is now underwater out in the bay, was featured as the last refuge of the townspeople.

In Part I of Isaac's Storm, in the chapter "Galveston: An Absurd Delusion," Erik Larson describes the two storms that ravaged Indianola and the significance of these storms for Galveston, leading up to the Galveston storm of 1900. He notes: "At first, Galveston's leading men seemed to grasp the significance of the Indianola storms. Anyone who looked at a map could see that Galveston was even more vulnerable to destruction than Indianola. It had no picket of barrier islands to shelter it, no buffer of mainland prairie. The city faced the Gulf head-on." He further observes: "Six weeks after the second Indianola storm, a group of thirty prominent Galveston residents calling themselves the Progressive Association met and resolved to build a seawall", and "The city's Evening Tribune endorsed the plan". However, although "The state eventually did authorize a bond to pay for the work," the city's engineer E.M. Hartwick observed, "this was some months after the flood, and by then the attitude was, Oh, we'll never get another one--and they didn't build."

Larson criticizes meteorologist Isaac Cline (among others) for this failure. For example, Larson cites statements Cline published in the July 1891 Galveston News article, "West India Hurricanes": If Galveston had any lingering anxiety about its failure to erect a seawall Isaac's 1891 article would have eased them. It was here that he belittled hurricane fears as the artifacts of 'an absurd delusion.' He was especially confident about storm surges. Galveston would escape harm, he argued, because the incoming water would spread first over the vast lowlands behind Galveston, on the Texas mainland north of the bay where the land was even closer to sea level. 'It would be impossible,' he wrote, 'for any cyclone to create a storm wave which could materially injure the city.' Further, in Part III of Isaac's Storm, in a chapter titled "Ritter's Cafe: You Can't Frighten Me", Larson publishes the recollections of Mollie Cohen, whose impressions of the Galveston Storm of 1900 reminded her of the second Indianola hurricane: 'We had a storm like this in '86,' Mollie said, referring to the winds and rain that had reached Galveston from the last of the big Indianola hurricanes. 'My father's store on Market Street was flooded,' she said, casually.

In music
Singer/songwriter Charlie Robison included a song titled "Indianola" on the 1998 album Life of the Party. The song begins from the perspective of a German immigrant approaching Indianola by sea and chronicling details of the narrator's family. The narrator and his cousin attempt to traverse the South to join the Union Army in the American Civil War, though they encounter Rebel resistance in Indianola. The next scene of the folk song briefly addresses the Wall Street Crash of 1929 in an indirect fashion, noting that little change occurred in their respective lives other than rust accumulating on wagon wheels. While this verse is brief in regards to words and time, it denotes a subtle and increasing disaffection in the American/Texan experience, adversely affected by seemingly non-relevant incidences. The storyline then progresses to World War II, introducing an internal struggle between the call of duty of the United States and its armed conflict with Germany, the ancestral point of origin of many Americans. The overall sentiment of the song begins as a story of new promises followed by a series of fictional, though personally carved facts, that illustrate a common experience for the individualist. Texas exemplifies a spirit that is not only uniquely a Texan story but an American one, thrusting the individual against the external influence that would assume its right to assert its own values.

Singer/songwriter Brian Burns included the song "Indianola" on his 2004 album Heavy Weather. The lyrics chronicle the full life cycle of Indianola, with verses from the points of view of a personified Matagorda Bay, an immigrant who helped build the city (Johann), a worker who came to help "bury the lost souls who perished that day" (Isaac), and finally the songwriter himself visiting the site (Brian). It is unclear whether the "Johann" mentioned in verse three refers to the Johann Dethardt, the first ship to bring settlers into the area, or Johann Swartz, the owner/builder of the first home erected in what would become Indianola.

Alternative country singer/songwriter Scott Stutzman included a song titled "The Indianola Sway" on his 2016 single Halloween Sixteen (released under the alias Kasko Lunsford). The song likely takes place between the 1875 and 1886 hurricane.

Education
What is now Indianola is served by the Calhoun County Independent School District.

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Talk:Stipe (botany)

Adds nothing to what is already at seaweed. Someone thinks you get credit for creating these fragments. Quite the conmtrary. Wetman 23:10, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

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Category:Computer storage media

This category refers to digital media used in computer storage devices. Examples of such media include (a) magnetic disks, cards, tapes, and drums, (b) punched cards and paper tapes, (c) optical disks, (d) barcodes and (e) magnetic ink characters.

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M47 Dragon

The M47 Dragon, known as the FGM-77 during development, is an American shoulder-fired, man-portable anti-tank guided missile system. It was phased out of U.S. military service in 2001, in favor of the newer FGM-148 Javelin system.

The M47 Dragon uses a wire-guidance system in concert with a high explosive anti-tank warhead and was capable of defeating armored vehicles, fortified bunkers, main battle tanks, and other hardened targets. While it was primarily created to defeat the Soviet Union's T-55, T-62, and T-72 tanks, it saw use well into the 1990s, seeing action in the Persian Gulf War. The U.S. military officially retired the weapon in 2001. The United States destroyed the last of its stocks of the missile in 2009. The weapon system remains in active service with other militaries around the world.

History

In 1959, the US Army Ordnance Missile Command suggested the development of a heavy medium range assault weapon.

In 1960, the United States Army launched the MAW (Medium Anti-tank Weapon) program on a proposal from Douglas. In 1966, Douglas was awarded the contract to develop the XM47. In 1967, the XM47 was redesignated FGM-77 and FTM-77 (the FTM-77 being the training version). The first missile test took place in December 1967 followed by the first shot in real conditions (firing set, guidance and launcher) on 5 July 1968.

Used by the U.S. Army, the U.S. Marine Corps, as well as many foreign militaries, the M47 Dragon was first fielded in January 1975 to U.S. Army soldiers stationed in mainland Europe. In April 1981, the deployment of the base version of the Dragon in the Army was complete. The Army initially deployed the Dragon as a squad weapon, with every rifle squad containing an antiarmor specialist who carried the weapon.

Reorganization in the 1990s saw Dragons moved, with mechanized infantry received two launchers per squad. Infantry, Airborne, and Air Assault units received a pair of two-man ATGM teams in the platoon's weapons squad, while Light Infantry (six teams) and Ranger (three teams) units held their Dragons at the company level.

In USMC service, the Dragon was concentrated at the battalion level in a dedicated missile platoon with 32 Dragon teams. The platoon was organized with four sections, each with four squads of two 2-man teams.

Guidance system
The M47 Dragon uses a so-called "tracking control assembly" (TCA) guidance system previously used on the TOW and Shillelagh missiles. With this system, all that is required of the infantryman is to look through an amplifying optical sight and keep it exactly aligned with the objective.

During this time, a second electro-optical system mounted parallel to the sight visually receives thermal radiation (generally infrared) from a pyrotechnic system located on the tail of the missile and focuses it on a sensitive receiver / locator. This continuously measures via a computer the position of the heat source (the missile) in relation to the line of sight fixed on the objective, any deviation automatically causing the desired correction signal, which is in turn transmitted along wires (connecting the missile to the launcher) and that without any intervention by the operator.

Dragon
The basic missile, the M222 missile, weighs 11.5 kilograms and is 744mm long in a 1154mm long launch tube. The fairly basic warhead can penetrate 330 mm of armor plate.

Dragon II
Dragon II is a simple warhead upgrade, originally called "Dragon PIP" and officially known as MK1 MOD0. The Dragon II received a new warhead that offers an 85% increase in penetration, to about 600mm. Weight increased to 12.3 kilograms and length to 846mm. Dragon II entered service in 1988.

Dragon III
A further improved Dragon II, the Dragon III received an even more powerful tandem shaped charge warhead, reportedly a Dragon II head with additional precursor charge. Exact penetration remains unknown, though it is claimed to be "several hundred millimeters" better than the SMAW's 600 mm pen HEAA rocket.

Additionally, the motor is improved, allowing the missile to reach a range of 1,000 meters in 6.5 seconds, much faster than the original missile's 11 second flight time. The improved motor increases the range as well, propelling Dragon III to 1,500 meters.

The second final improvement is a new combined day/night tracker with laser guidance. Only the United States Marine Corps bought this variant, beginning in 1991, while the Army opted to wait for Javelin to enter service.

Saeghe
Iran has reverse-engineered a version of the Dragon, the Saeghe (Persian: صاعقه "lightning"). This version, like many other reverse engineered weaponry built in Iran, is developed by Defense Industries Organization (DIO). They displayed it in 2002 at the Defendory exhibition in Athens, when it was in mass production. Hezbollah has acquired Saeghes for anti-tank and anti-armor uses.

Known versions include Saeghe 1, a copy of Dragon II and Saeghe 2, a copy of Dragon III. Saeghe 3 is not confirmed to exist and Saeghe 4 is believed to use a thermobaric warhead. It is mostly produced for export, only issued to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.

Saeghe (also transliterated as Saegheh, Saeqeh and several other variations) is a very common name for Iranian weapon systems. Other things with the name include a recon drone, a target drone, a fighter jet based on the American F-5E, an air-to-air missile, and an RPG-7 warhead.

Components
The launcher system of the M47 Dragon consists of a smoothbore fiberglass tube, breech/gas generator, tracker, bipod, battery, sling, and forward and aft shock absorbers. To fire the weapon, non-integrated day or night sights must be attached. While the launcher itself is expendable, the sights can be removed and reused.

SU-36/P Day Sight
The SU-36/P, properly "Infrared Tracker, Guided Missile, SU-36/P", provides the user with control over the missile. The sight slots onto the missile tube and The SU-36/P has a 6x magnification capability and a viewing angle of 6°. The simple crosshair reticle has a pair of stadia lines To the right of the gunner's monocular is an infrared receiver, consisting of a large lens fitted with a filter used to capture the infrared signal emitted by the missile during its flight.

Night Sight AN/TAS-5
The Dragon night tracker (AN/TAS-5) increases the gunner's ability to engage targets during limited visibility. Targets can be engaged during daylight and also during limited visibility such as smoke, fog, or darkness.

Current operators

 * 🇮🇷 Iran: Saeghe
 * 🇮🇶 Iraq: Saeghe used by PMF militias.
 * 🇲🇦 Morocco
 * 🇸🇦 Saudi Arabia
 * Syria: Saeghe
 * 🇹🇭 Thailand

Former operators

 * 🇮🇱 Israel
 * 🇮🇶 Iraq: Acquired M47 Dragons captured from Iran. Not operational and not in use.
 * 🇯🇴 Jordan: Replaced by the FGM-148 Javelin
 * 🇳🇱 Netherlands: Was replaced by the Spike in August 2001.
 * 🇪🇸 Spain: Phased out of service, being replaced by the Spike.
 * 🇨🇭 Switzerland Phased out, not directly replaced (6,200 ordered in 1979, 5,600 ordered in 1981)
 * 🇺🇸 United States: Replaced by the FGM-148 Javelin.

Non-State Actors

 * Houthis: Iranian Saeghe version

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Talk:Yasukuni Shrine

The Enshrinement List
「Ａ級戦犯の合祀は、旧陸軍の流れをくみ、元軍人が仕切った旧厚生省援護局（現厚生労働省社会・援護局）調査課が六六年、事務次官ら幹部に断りなくＡ級戦犯の名簿（祭神名票）を靖国神社に送ったことに始まる. これを受けて、東条英機内閣で大東亜相だった青木一男氏（故人）ら二人の元Ａ級戦犯がリードする神社の総代会が七〇年に合祀の方針を決定した. 元海軍少佐で、義父が戦犯として処刑された松平氏は、合祀に踏み切るアンカー役だった. 」 http://www.tokyo-np.co.jp/00/kakushin/20060721/mng_____kakushin000.shtml Vapour

Architecture
Can more information be provided as to the design, layout, and construction of the shrine? The article seems heavy in politics but very light in architecture. For example, how does it compare with the war memorials of other nations?

Why no controversy section?
Given that the shrine is best known for enshrining convicted war criminals and serving as a gathering point for Japanese ultranationalists, it seems quite strange that this article makes no mention of these facts at all. 120.17.39.216 (talk) 03:29, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

 * yes this is odd. There is also no mention of its continued symbolic value to politics. With prime ministers or former prime ministers also choosing to visit or not to visit the shrine. Tornbetween (talk) 16:02, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Tornbetween and IP - see Controversies surrounding Yasukuni Shrine. It's mentioned+linked in the middle of the second lead paragraph.
 * If I had to guess, the idea was to split the building itself from the political storm surrounding it. Not sure if I agree with that process, but that's the status quo. Couruu (talk) 12:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah I see. As of now there is a small section of the article that covers 2 parts of the controversy article, the war criminal portion in great detail. Maybe it would be better to instead leave a reference to the Controversies surrounding Yasukuni Shrine article and add a small summary? I would be up to make this change when I am free. Of course it can always be reverted. Tornbetween (talk) 14:25, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:UNDUE = according to wiki rules, "Generally, the views of tiny minorities should not be included at all, except perhaps in a "see also" to an article about those specific views. For example, the article on the Earth does not directly mention modern support for the flat Earth concept, the view of a distinct (and minuscule) minority; to do so would give undue weight to it." and
 * "Wikipedia should not present a dispute as if a view held by a small minority is as significant as the majority view. Views held by a tiny minority should not be represented except in articles devoted to those views (such as the flat Earth)"
 * The guidelines offer an excellent example of how to incorporate information regarding minority perspectives. the controversy surrounding the shrine is not a minority view. I don't understand why there is a separate article for information about the shrine's controversy. wikipedia is an encyclopedia designed to provide a wide variety of information, including information about sensitive topics. Shouldn't the two articles be merged?
 * WP:OM - "Wikipedia's encyclopedic mission encompasses the inclusion of material that may offend." LilAhok (talk) 21:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Controversies surrounding Yasukuni Shrine is 6,000 words of readable prose, while Yasukuni Shrine itself is around 2,500 - combined, they would probably make up around 8,000 (eliminating redundancies). If merged, this article would become around 75% controversy - which is undue weight.
 * I do believe a solution similar to Nestle would be appropriate - a controversy section outlining the main issues (that isn't buried under History), with a "main article" link to the other page. Couruu (talk) 09:19, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes. I agree, a nested controversy section linking to the larger article seems appropriate. I will get to work on this when I find the time after the semester has quieted down. Tornbetween (talk) 21:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

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Nolo

Nolo may refer to:

 * Nolo, Milan, a district in the northeast of Milan
 * Nolo (publisher), formerly known as Nolo Press, a publisher of legal self-help material
 * Nolo, Pennsylvania, an unincorporated community in Indiana County, in Pennsylvania, USA
 * Nolo contendere, a plea that can be entered in some courts
 * Non-alcoholic or low-alcoholic beverages
 * A pub that serves only such beverages, see

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Saville

Non-notable? --Ianb 23:17, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. No evidence of notability, probable vanity. Wile E. Heresiarch 06:38, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, even though he's famous in NW England. I wish the man and ministry well, but evidence of notability is lacking. Geogre 12:34, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Same reasons as above. -- Stevietheman 15:01, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. (Or re-direct to Alvin and the Chipmunks as a typo) Davodd 20:16, Aug 11, 2004 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Salt Cellar Youth Project

Non-notable? --Ianb 23:17, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. No evidence of notability. Wile E. Heresiarch 06:37, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Doesn't seem notable. -- Stevietheman 15:00, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Created by a user who seems to have an unhealthy interest in Blue Coat School, Oldham, and marking major additions of material as minor edits. Delete, non-notable. -- Cyrius|✎ 04:43, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)


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The Parent 'Hood

The Parent 'Hood is an American sitcom television series that aired on The WB from January 18, 1995, to July 25, 1999. The series starred Robert Townsend and Suzzanne Douglas. Originally to be titled Father Knows Nothing (a parody of the title of the 1950s sitcom Father Knows Best), the series was one of the four sitcoms that aired as part of the original Wednesday-night two-hour lineup that helped launch The WB network (along with The Wayans Bros., Unhappily Ever After, and the short-lived Muscle).

From November 2021 to 2023, The Parent 'Hood streamed several episodes on HBO Max.

Premise
The series revolves around a former Black English professor, Robert Peterson, who must cope with fatherhood after his wife, Jerri decides to return to the working field  to their four children which they share in their upper middle class apartment brownstone in Manhattan. Robert quickly learns that he needs to rule his house with an iron fist as he realizes the world his kids are growing up in was different from how he grew up.

Cast

 * Robert Townsend as Robert Peterson
 * Suzzanne Douglas as Geraldine "Jerri" Peterson
 * Kenny Blank as Michael Peterson (seasons 1–3)
 * Reagan Gomez-Preston as Zaria Peterson
 * Curtis Williams as Nicholas Peterson
 * Ashli Amari Adams as Cecilia "CeCe" Peterson
 * Bobby McGee as Derek Sawyer (season 1)
 * Carol Woods as Mrs. Wilcox (season 1)
 * Faizon Love as Wendell Wilcox (seasons 2–4, main; season 1, recurring)
 * Tyrone Dorzell Burton as T.K. Anderson (seasons 4–5)
 * Kelly Perine as Kelly Peterson (season 5)

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Karl Karmarsch

Karl Karmarsch (17 October 1803 – 24 March 1879) was an Austrian-born (since 1830) German educator, founding director of the Polytechnic School in Hanover, later to become the University of Hannover.

From 1817 to 1823, he was associated with the Polytechnic Institute of Vienna, where he was a student of Georg Altmütter (1787–1858).

From 1830 until his retirement in 1875, he served as director at Hanover, In 1863, he was elected a foreign member of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences. Karmarsch was a promoter of higher technical education in Germany, and considered a pioneer of mechanical technology. With Johann Joseph von Prechtl (1778–1854), he was an editor of a multi-volume encyclopedia of technology called Technologische Encyklopädie oder alphabetisches Handbuch der Technologie, der technischen Chemie und des Maschinenwesens. Other principal works by Karmarsch include:
 * Grundriß der mechanischen Technologie, two volumes 1837/41 - Outline of mechanical technology.
 * Geschichte Der Technologie Seit Der Mitte Des Achtzehnten Jahrhundert, 1872 - History of technology since the mid-eighteenth century.

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Chris Collins

Chris Collins may refer to:

Arts and entertainment

 * Chris Collins or K. C. Collins, Canadian-born American actor
 * Chris Collins (musician) (born 1967), American musician, recording engineer/producer and technologist
 * Chris Collins (singer), former vocalist for the band now known as Dream Theater
 * Chris Collins (writer), American television writer

Politics

 * Chris Collins (Canadian politician) (born 1962), Member of the Legislative Assembly from Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada
 * Chris Collins (New York politician) (born 1950), former U.S. Representative for New York's 27th congressional district
 * Chris Collins (Virginia politician) (born 1971), member of the Virginia House of Delegates

Sports

 * Chris Collins (basketball) (born 1974), basketball player and coach from Northbrook, Illinois
 * Chris Collins (ice hockey) (born 1984), American ice hockey player
 * Chris Collins (lacrosse) (born 1982), American lacrosse player
 * Chris Collins (soccer) (born 1956), retired American soccer player
 * Chris Collins (American football) (born 1982), American football player
 * Chris Collins (boxer) (born 1960), boxer from Grenada

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Obey River

The Obey River is a 47.8 mi tributary of the Cumberland River in the U.S. state of Tennessee. It joins the Cumberland River near the town of Celina, which is generally considered to be the Cumberland's head of navigation. Via the Cumberland and Ohio rivers, the Obey River is part of the Mississippi River watershed.

Near its mouth, the Obey is impounded by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Dale Hollow Reservoir, site of a fish hatchery run by the federal government. This dam impounds the Obey for essentially its entire length, causing slack water well up both major tributaries, the East and West Forks. This lake is relatively deep due to the height of the dam and the depth of the gorges through which the Obey and its tributaries flowed; the impoundment also enters Kentucky in its Wolf River and Sulphur Creek embayments.

Below the dam the stream makes two sharp bends before entering the Cumberland. The only major bridge on the Obey, on State Route 53, is located just below the second of these, Peterman Bend.

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Talk:Dagon

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I read that Dagon was the same as Vishnu. An illustration of him showed him as having the face of Vishnu, four arms, and the tail of a fish. The article also said that there was also a pagoda dedicated to Dagon in India. Is this for real or was the author making it up? Auric The Rad 23:25, Aug 10, 2004 (UTC)
 * The author didn't realize that the people he heard this from were making it up... --Wetman 18:04, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I have heard various conspiracy theorists (especially the protestant Christian ones) that Dagon had a direct influence on Catholicism and that the hat which the pope wears is directly related to the hats which the priests of Dagon wore. Whether there is any truth to this, it should be mentioned. http://www.thetruthishere.com/dagon.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.113.27.194 (talk) 04:58, 25 December 2004 (UTC)

 * The "hat." Will we ever get all the world's nonsense into Wikipedia, where we want it, I wonder? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wetman (talk • contribs) 16:07, 25 December 2004 (UTC)

Removed overheated 19th century fantasy
"and it is therefore interesting to note that he gave oracles, that he had a circular temple, where he was sometimes worshipped by human sacrifices, that there were wells in the sacred circuit, and that there was also a place of adoration to him situated, as was usual, outside, the town. Certain marmora in the temple, which might not be, approached, especially by women, may perhaps be connected with the miptān which must be leapt over and not trodden upon." (That "place of adoration" outside of town was the Christian church, according to Marcus Diaconis, the only written source! Some 19th century Baptist had been staying up too late reading Salammbo eh.) --Wetman 21:18, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

In Fiction
I'd love it if someone could get a proper quote and reference that lovely 'Samson' episode of Pinky and the Brain in which the Phillistines demand Samson bow down before their 'giant papier-mache weasel-god' Dagon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.47.38.130 (talk) 17:55, 24 March 2005 (UTC)

 * Dagon might be relevant to a deeper understanding of that episode of "Pinky and the Brain" but the episode isn't relevant to Dagon. ...but you already knew that! --Wetman 18:04, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Is there any real connection to Dagon here?: Also, in Digimon Zero Two, the Master of the Sea of Darkness (even when it is not shown clearly) is known as Dagomon (Dragonmon is the English Name). Wetman 16:51, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

I've cleaned up the In Fiction section. I moved all the H.P. Lovecraft stuff to Dagon (short story) along with all popular culture references that were relating to Lovecraft's version of Dagon. I left the references of which I wasn't sure in this article. Anyone should move others if they know more about them. I deleted some references which, other than the name, had no references to the mythological Dagon god. Perhaps more should be deleted. Tchoutoye 08:39, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Even though I just cleaned up some of the In Fiction entries, I'd agree with Tchoutoye that popular culture references that are clearly derived from Lovecraft should be moved to Dagon (short story) article. However, I think that would include ALL of the bullet items except Milton, as they all clearly refer to Dagon as a monster or "dark god" rather than to the historical deity. Does anyone disagree with that plan? GCL (talk) 21:19, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

In Fiction
The section is growing a bit long, and is quite pointless (trivia sections are now officially discouraged). I propose we remove it. I'll start a vote soon. Any thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.216.15.221 (talk) 21:39, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, we ought to move the Biblical references to the "In Fiction" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.216.15.221 (talk) 21:42, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Is it your intent to move the "Biblical Commentaries" to the "In Fiction" section so that it can be deleted? The historical veracity of Biblical sources is still a matter of intense scholastic debate. This is in stark contrast to the works listed in the "In Fiction" section, in which there are no credible debates addressing their intent to do anything more than entertain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathanhere (talk • contribs) 21:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

 * This is a reply to the original proposal: I agree the list is long. That doesn't mean the section should be removed altogether "for being trivia". We should aim to be illustrative, not exhaustive. Be bold and pick half a dozen examples or so that you feel cover the whole range of references, then remove the rest! :-) CapnZapp (talk) 22:39, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Demonizing Dagon
Someone who never took Comparative Religion 101 has deleted, for lack of a supportive citation, the following bromide: "This position as major god of the enemies of the Ancient Israelites led to Dagon's demonization in the Hebrew Bible.". Can we get an improved and expanded version of this familiar statement, supported by some apt quotations, back into the article?--Wetman (talk) 02:49, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

A call for critical review of ...
the following books... --124.78.214.145 (talk) 07:26, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_adv_b/?search-alias=stripbooks&unfiltered=1&field-keywords=&field-author=&field-title=Dagon&field-isbn=&field-publisher=&node=&url=&field-feature_browse-bin=&field-binding_browse-bin=&field-subject=&field-language=&field-dateop=&field-datemod=&field-dateyear=&sort=relevancerank&Adv-Srch-Books-Submit.x=16&Adv-Srch-Books-Submit.y=14

^^^^^ FYI --124.78.214.145 (talk) 07:28, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+Dagon&btnG=Search&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

Semitic Dagan and Indo-European *dheghom related words?
Böri (talk) 15:54, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

typo?

 * Dagon (דגון', ...

Why is there an apostrophe beside the Hebrew word? —Tamfang (talk) 02:28, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

 * I don't know why the apostrophe is there, but it should not be; I'll remove it. A Georgian (talk) 11:46, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Fix images please
The first image is very likely not an image of Dagon File:Illustrerad Verldshistoria band I Ill 032.jpg - as a better annoted version makes clear - ie see File:Chaos_Monster_and_Sun_God.png - the image is a drawing from a bas-relief from the temple of Ninurta in Nimroud - and the image is almost certainly of a Apkallu. (The description in the 19th century text does state it might be Dagon - but such - fish/dagon associations are now though erroneous.

You can see (Image 55) that modern scholarship considers this to be an image of an Apkallu ie p.5 on http://www.religionswissenschaft.uzh.ch/idd/prepublications/e_idd_illustrations_apkallu.pdf (home page http://www.religionswissenschaft.uzh.ch/idd/index.php )

The second image File:Brockhaus and Efron Jewish Encyclopedia e6 915-0.jpg is not an image of "Oannes" - the description of Oannes in Berossus makes it clear that this creature was not a "mer-man" - ie it had human legs. (eg see translation in https://archive.org/stream/ancientfragments00coryuoft#page/n5/mode/2up ) .. the image might more likely be of a Kulullû, or more likely - a 19th century invention - intended to look like what the author thought Dagon looked like - the image doesn't appear to actually by from an ancient source.

The lead image is a bad joke though. It isn't Dagon. 5.198.10.236 (talk)
 * Hello. I am the editor who has been trying to clean up the articles about ancient Mesopotamian deities; most of them are generally a complete mess in every way. No one has bothered to clean them up or take care of them and they are full of uncited statement. Their accuracy is often poor and their comprehensiveness even worse. I saw your edit to the article Ninurta and followed you here. I have actually known that fish-man image was spurious for quite a while now, but I have not gotten around to working on this article (or the article about Ninurta) yet because I have not had time, so I had not bothered to remove it. I have now removed the image, but there seems to be another image that automatically appears in the infobox if no other image is placed there and I can find no way to remove it because, somehow, it does not appear in the wikitext. --Katolophyromai (talk) 11:25, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

 * Category:Dagon has more candidates for images of Dagon. I'm just guessing, but possibly it's coming from the Wikidata page for Dagon.-- Auric   talk  19:34, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, all those pictures are either different representations of the same fish-garbed figure I just removed or Bible illustrations from the Middle Ages and later that reflect later Christian notions about Dagon, rather than how he was conceived by the ancient peoples who actually worshipped him. --Katolophyromai (talk) 19:41, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Dagon1.jpg is the image at Wikidata (Q623065). I can't view that version of the page to see if that was what you were seeing.-- Auric   talk  19:49, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * That is the second image that popped up after I removed the first one, which was this one. --Katolophyromai (talk) 20:08, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I've removed the image from Wikidata and undid your edit. As I thought, neither image now appears.-- Auric   talk  20:48, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Cultural similarities
I find the (most plausible/probable/likely) linguistic connection between the Mesopotamian civilization's God Dagon (during the period of time of their kingdoms-one early king name of whom is: Hammurabi) & African God Dogon Tribe in Mali, Africa fascinating. In relation to/connection with it, I should also add the the form of the God Dagon being half human & half fish well coincides with/co-relates to the Henrew language word for fish: Dag!

AK63 (talk) 01:35, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * What you find "likely" is completely useless here; Wiki operates off what is stated in Reliable Sources. Nor is this a forum for your idle speculation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.111.31.194 (talk) 08:00, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Renaming proposal
The primary subject of the article is the god Dagan as he was envisioned by inhabitants of Bronze Age Syria and Mesopotamia, not a vaguely related account from the Bible or a character from Lovecraft's novels, the sources responsible for the predominance of the spelling "Dagon." In publications related to Bronze Age Syrian religion, including the most extensive study of Dagan to date, Feliu's God Dagan in Bronze Age Syria, the default spelling is Dagan, not Dagon. At the moment "Dagan (god)" is a redirect while "Dagon" is the title of the page - I think they should be switched around to better reflect the history of the deity in mention. HaniwaEnthusiast (talk) 11:14, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Presence of Marnas in the article
I am not sure if there really is a need for a sub-section dedicated to Marnas. Some of the information from Terpstra's book was already here when I started working on the article long ago, but this author actually does not mention Dagan at all, and considers Marnas' origin to be unknown. The connection was only made by Itamar Singer in an earlier article completely unrelated to this study (it's absent from Terpstra's bibliography) and I am so far unable to find a single author addressing his theory directly - I assumed it might have found some support and that's why someone included Terpstra here in the first place, but that does not seem to be the case. The purported connection is not mentioned in Feliu's Dagan's monograph, arguably the defining study of this deity, even though he does discuss Singer's other proposals. HaniwaEnthusiast (talk) 17:22, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Top-importance in WikiProject Religion?
It doesn't seem like this article should be considered Top-importance? It does not appear to meet that qualification from the assessment scale at all. I would think it would be Low-importance, or maybe Mid. Luke10.27 (talk) 20:27, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

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Alfred O. C. Nier

Alfred Otto Carl Nier (May 28, 1911 – May 16, 1994) was an American physicist who pioneered the development of mass spectrometry. He was the first to use mass spectrometry to isolate uranium-235 which was used to demonstrate that 235U could undergo fission and developed the sector mass spectrometer configuration now known as Nier-Johnson geometry.

Early life and education
He was born in St. Paul, Minnesota on May 28, 1911. Nier showed an early ability in mathematics and science, coupled with an aptitude for craft and mechanical work. Nier's German immigrant parents had little education or financial resources but their determination for his development meant that he was able to attend the nearby University of Minnesota. Though he graduated in electrical engineering in 1931, the lack of engineering jobs during the Great Depression encouraged him to take up graduate study in physics.

Harvard
In 1936, his spectroscopic skills won him a fellowship and substantial grant at Harvard University. His work there led to the 1938 publication of measurements of the relative abundance of the isotopes of uranium, measurements that were used by Fritz Houtermans and Arthur Holmes in the 1940s to estimate the age of the Earth.

The Manhattan Project
Nier returned to Minnesota in 1938 to be near his ageing parents. In 1940, on the request of Enrico Fermi, he and a few students, including Edward Ney, prepared a pure sample of uranium-235 using an early mass spectrograph designed by Nier, for John R. Dunning's team at Columbia University. On the day of its receipt (it was sent by US Postal Mail), Dunning's team was able to demonstrate that uranium-235 was the isotope responsible for nuclear fission, rather than the more abundant uranium-238. Confirmation of this suspected fact was a critical step in the development of the atomic bomb.

From 1943 to 1945, Nier worked with Kellex Corporation in Manhattan, New York City on the design and development of efficient and effective mass spectrographs for use in the Manhattan Project to build the atomic bomb in World War II. During the war most of the spectrographs used for monitoring uranium separations were designed by Nier.

Later work
After the war, he returned to Minnesota where he worked on geochronology, the upper atmosphere, space science and noble gases. Nier designed the miniature mass spectrometers used by the Viking Landers to sample the atmosphere of Mars.

Death
Active to the end of his life, he died on May 16, 1994, two weeks after being paralysed in a motor accident.

Honors
Nier was a member of the National Academy of Sciences, the American Philosophical Society, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, and a foreign scientific member of the Max Planck Society.

The Martian crater Nier and the mineral nierite (tiny silicon nitride inclusions in meteorites) were named after him. The Nier Prize is awarded annually by the Meteoritical Society and recognizes outstanding research in meteoritics and closely allied fields by young scientists.

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Talk:Grey (disambiguation)

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True or false: this article belongs at Gray (disambiguation) with Gray being the article for the color. 66.245.21.142 23:33, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I turned Gray into a disambig for that word. I imagine this will get protest.--T. Anthony 14:54, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

grey/gray
It appears grey will be the title of the article, like how color won out over colour. Gray now points to Grey, but there are two disambig links at the top Gray & Grey. I hope this makes everyone happy. Na uf an a : talk  22:15, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Should fictional characters with the surname "Grey" be here?
I've never seen anyone refer to Jean Grey as "Grey" before. Shouldn't this be reserved for the article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_(surname)? AsaGoodfellow (talk) 16:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

title: Talk:Grey (disambiguation)