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Fireworks kaboom
Hello! Thanks for the "news" about the fireworks explosion, but it is probably not something we should keep in a city article, it's not that important in the long run. And... see my comments on it. I hope I did not distract you from future writing! I do not mean to. --grin ✎ 23:02, 2004 Aug 7 (UTC)

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German Visa Affair 2005
Hi Marc,

I notice that there's a lot of untranslated German material in this article - are you translating it? -- ChrisO 23:28, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Similarly, I'm noticing that, well, no offense, but your English needs some work. If you want to drop a note on my talk page when you're all done with the preliminary translation, I'll go through and copyedit and tidy things up. --John Owens (talk) 23:51, 2005 Mar 19 (UTC)

I'm now ready with translation. There are a lot of difficulties because some words are not available in the English language, so I had to do "word-to-word translation". It was really difficult to translate.

Hi Marc, I think the article really isn't neutral. At least you should clarify who said what -- the press statements of CDU/CSU discuss the visa "affair" (I don't think even this title is correct) in a totally different light than the press statements of The Greens. Maybe a good idea would be to write the article in the German Wikipedia first, then waiting until a consensus forms there about it's contents, and only translating it after that? -- till we ☼ ☽ | Talk 13:32, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"Tillwe" I witnessed that you are a pro-Green and SPD-supporter because you have worked on many articles about the Greens / SPD. That means the statement above is biased.

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2006 European floods
Hello, Marcschulz. Thank you for nicely expanding the article. Happy editing. :-) -- PFHLai 03:22, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Request for Comments on Current events
Hello –

I'm trying to get some discussion going on two proposals regarding the current events page, but so far have gotten little to no response. Since you have recently edited the current events page, I'm asking for your input on these two proposals:

 * One proposal (this is the big one) involves putting the daily events from the current events pages into article-templates, a lá the monthly pages from 2003 to 2005, as well and having a consistent number of recent days on the current events page instead of a monthly archive. This would allow for the current events page and the respective month pages to be updated simultaneously without the monthly archival. For more, see the current events talk page.

 * Another proposal involves merging the content of the regional current events pages (such as British and Irish current events and Canadian current events) into fewer continental articles. For more, see the current events WikiProject talk page.

Your input on one or both of these issues would be appreciated. joturn e r 22:16, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

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Prince Regent DLR station

Prince Regent DLR station is a station on the Docklands Light Railway (DLR) in Canning Town in east London. The station was opened on 28 March 1994 and provides access to the eastern end of the ExCeL Exhibition Centre and ICC London. The station signage is subtitled 'for ExCeL East'.

The station is named after Prince Regent Lane, which runs north from the station towards the A13 road. The street in turn is named after George IV.

There is a small bus station adjoining the station with buses to Plaistow and London City Airport.

The station is located on the DLR's Beckton branch, between Custom House and Royal Albert stations. It is in Travelcard Zone 3. During major exhibitions at the adjacent Excel Centre an additional DLR shuttle service operates between Canning Town and Prince Regent stations, to supplement the normal Tower Gateway to Beckton service. The trains shuttle reverse on a crossover well to the east of the station, within sight of the next station at Royal Albert.

Services
The typical off-peak service in trains per hour from Prince Regent is:
 * 12 tph to Canning Town of which 6 continue to Tower Gateway
 * 12 tph to Beckton

Additional services call at the station during the peak hours, increasing the service to up to 16 tph in each direction.

Connections
The London buses that serve Prince Regent DLR station is 241, 474, 300, 325, 473, 678 (school journeys only) and N551 (night journeys only).

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

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Adamsdown

Adamsdown is an inner city area and community in the south of Cardiff, the capital city of Wales. Adamsdown is generally located between Newport Road, to the north and the mainline railway to the south. The area includes Cardiff Prison, Cardiff Magistrates' Court, Cardiff Royal Infirmary, a University of South Wales campus, and many streets of residential housing. There are two primary schools in the area Adamsdown Primary School and Tredegarville Primary School.

History
In mediaeval times, Adamsdown lay just outside the east walls of Cardiff and was owned by the lords of Glamorgan. The area may be named after an Adam Kygnot, a porter at Cardiff Castle around 1330 AD.

According to an 1824 map, Adamsdown was largely a 270 acre farm. A replacement for a prison which was located on St Mary Street opened in the area in 1832, and a cemetery in 1848. In the following year, an outbreak of cholera affected the area. As the cemetery became full, it was converted into a park. In 1883 the "South Wales and Mounmouthsire Infirmary" was opened at a cost of £23,000. Many were refused from the hospital, such as those with infectious diseases and women in the advanced stages of pregnancy. In 1923, the hospital became the Cardiff Royal Infirmary.

The Newtown area of Adamsdown was the first new area to be developed, where many Irish immigrants settled. Streets built in the period had their names drawn from astronomy (such as Star, Constellation, Planet and Eclipse Streets) or precious metals and stones (such as Gold, Copper, Topaz and Diamond Streets).

The Church of St German of Auxerre, on Star Street, was designed by London architects Bodley & Garner and built 1881–84. It is described as "tall, spacious and elegant", also with a contemporary school house. The church is Grade I listed.

Cardiff's first municipal secondary school was established at Howard Gardens in 1884, which became a Grammar School in 1941 and was destroyed by bombing in World War II, where a Cardiff Metropolitan University campus now stands.

Until the 1970s, Roath Cattle Market and Slaughterhouse were located in Adamsdown where one could obtain meats off the ration during World War II. Regeneration of Adamsdown in the 20th century saw Victorian buildings demolished for 1960s and 70s tower blocks, the highest of which is Brunel House, at the eastern gateway to Cardiff city centre.

Vulcan Hotel
The Vulcan Hotel was an historic hotel and public house, formerly located in Adamsdown. Built in 1853, it was located close to the joint-railway station of Queen Street, but on the southside of the Newport Road in the working class area of the suburb. It remained unchanged from its Victorian created structure. Adjoining Victorian buildings were demolished and redeveloped around it.

In 2012, Brains Brewery finally confirmed that they were to terminate their lease on the property. Marcol Asset Management agreed to donate the building to the St Fagans National History Museum. From July 2012, the building was taken down by contractors and preservationists, to allow brick by brick movement to St Fagans. It was expected that the building would reopen at the museum in 2014, styled in a "between the wars" 1920-1930s period.

Today
Cardiff Magistrates' Court, Cardiff Prison, Cardiff Royal Infirmary, the Cardiff School of Creative and Cultural Industries of the University of South Wales, Cardiff Reform Synagogue, and several Sikh temples can be found in this district and a mosque is under construction.

Adamsdown is one of the older working-class suburbs of Cardiff. It is about 10 minutes' walk from the commercial Cardiff city centre. It is largely a residential area, but is also home to the Rubicon Dance school. Adamsdown has undergone regeneration, in particular the shopping area of Clifton Street, where the traditional stone buildings such as Roath Police station have been sandblasted and renovated, most of the shop fronts have been replaced and updated, the pavements have been widened and a new one-way traffic system has been introduced. The aim of this was to attract more traders and shoppers to the area.

Adamsdown electoral ward

Adamsdown is both an electoral ward, and a community of the City of Cardiff. There is no community council for the area. The Adamsdown electoral ward falls within the parliamentary constituency of Cardiff Central. It is bounded by the wards of Penylan to the north east; Splott to the south east; Butetown to the south; Cathays to the west; and Plasnewydd to the north. In the 2016 local elections Nigel Howells (Lib Dem) and Owen Llewellyn Jones (Labour) were elected Councillors.

Transport
Cardiff Queen Street station is on the western fringe of Adamsdown. The station is on the Valley Lines urban rail network.

The area is also served by Cardiff Bus. Services stopping outside the Cardiff Royal Infirmary, which all go to City Centre in the reverse direction are:
 * 11 (Pengam Green via Splott and Tremorfa)
 * 30 (Newport)
 * 44/45 (St. Mellons via Rumney)
 * 49/50 (Llanrumney)

The 11 route runs through the heart of the area connecting it with Tremorfa/Splott to the east and the City Centre to the west. The 1/2 Bay Circle route also serves some parts of the area.

The busy and commercial Newport Road (A4161) runs through northern Adamsdown, leading towards the M4 motorway to the east and the city centre to the west. City Road leads to northern districts of Cardiff.

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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Separation of powers under the United States Constitution/archive1

Separation of powers under the United States Constitution
Self-nomination. (Note: The above title has been shown in a condensed form so that this page's TOC is not too wide.) -- Emsworth 19:50, Jun 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. Another gem.  I've added two sections to the end that somebody might want to look over. [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 20:16, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. Excellent article - Taxman 20:55, Jun 22, 2004 (UTC)
 * Object for now. The section on presidential powers mentions Nixon and the first Roosevelt, but for some reason it overlooks FDR, who I had understood to be the most powerful president of the 20th century.  Isomorphic 02:45, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression that FDR did not hold an extreme view of Presidential powers (like TR) or expand the constitutional power of the Presidency (like Nixon). I think that FDR expanded political power, while Nixon and TR attempted to expand the constitutional power of the presidency. (The nineteenth century Presidents are also noted, but for their struggles with Congress.) In any event, I will look into the matter and add any information that I might find about FDR. -- Emsworth 03:02, Jun 24, 2004 (UTC)
 * See my comments on the article's talk page. Isomorphic 02:03, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * This objection is the only one holding this article back - has it been resolved? →Raul654 06:05, Jul 3, 2004 (UTC)
 * Object. Two of the pictures have no source listed. One is a painting, and probably in the public domain. Jeronimo 07:02, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * The US Government does not own copyright, so I believe that the Senate picture is in the public domain. The two paintings are so old that they would be in the public domain by now. -- Emsworth 13:00, Jun 24, 2004 (UTC)
 * If so, please indicate that the Senate picture was indeed taken by the US Government. This is not at all clear. Also, the Lord Chancellor picture is not dated, and no other information is provided. Therefore, it may very well be copyrighted.
 * The LC picture is 19th century, in the public domain. Markalexander100 09:44, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * If the PD status of the Clinton impeachment trial is not verified, perhaps we could use Image:3a05488v.jpg, which is verified to be public domain. anthony (see warning)
 * Support. I think this is a well-written and informative article, and I enjoyed reading it. My reason for objecting is that there's little discussion of criticism of the "US separation of powers" structure. The only thing I could find was: "''John Kingdon ... cites its [Seperation of powers] complexity as one of the reasons for lower citizen participation.". -- Matt 16:58, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * I've added sections on the purported misinterpretation of Montesquieu and on the inefficiency promoted by separation of powers. Is more necessary? -- Emsworth 17:40, Jun 24, 2004 (UTC)
 * It's good enough for me. -- Matt 18:02, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Object to image information shortage. A lovely article.  I think we should be very careful about the images we use, however; we are rather rudely grabbing all manner of images without noting just what they are of, and when and where they (or the originals they are images of) were created.  A good place to start seems to be with our small collection of peer-reviewed articles... Please forgive me for pressing for this double degree of brilliance, but I should hope that every image in a featured article has an informative description about its contents and provenance. "Lord Chancellor painting" does not meet this standard (painted by?  when?  is that a title or a description?); the image of the Clinton impeachment proceedings is slightly less unacceptable (it should approximate the date and note what news service or government site it came from) and the Anders Zorn image can skate by, but should properly note the detaails of the original painting (which I just added). +sj +  05:35, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * The Senate image has been replaced on Mr DiPierro's suggestion; the two paintings also have the relevant details noted. -- Emsworth 02:31, Jun 27, 2004 (UTC)


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Atlantic Wharf

Atlantic Wharf (Glanfa Iwerydd) is a southern area of the city of Cardiff, Wales. It is primarily an area of new houses and apartments located on the west side of the disused Bute East Dock and to the east of Lloyd George Avenue. It also includes a number of refurbished dock warehouses, modern hotels, the Red Dragon Centre and Cardiff Council's County Hall. Atlantic Wharf lies in the Butetown electoral division of Cardiff and the Cardiff South and Penarth constituency for the UK Parliament and the Senedd.

History
The Bute East Dock (originally called the East Bute Dock) was constructed to ease pressure on the existing Bute Dock in the 1850s. It was opened by the 12-year-old Third Marquess of Bute on 14 September 1859. The new dock was 1,310 m in length and up to 152m wide. It was surrounded by railway sidings and large warehouses. Eventually the Bute East Dock was closed in 1970. The railway sidings were removed.

Only after 1980 did redevelopment begin around the disused dock. The Cardiff Bay Development Corporation was set up in the late 1980s to drive regeneration of the Docks area. Atlantic Wharf grew to include housing, new businesses, hotels and the conversion of three large derelict dock warehouses in the close vicinity of Bute East Dock. In 1988 the County Council built a new council headquarters building at Atlantic Wharf to reinforce the regeneration initiatives. It has been described as a "remarkable gesture of faith [by] the South Glamorgan County Council".

A new multiplex cinema and leisure complex was built nearby, known as Atlantic Wharf Leisure Village (now the Red Dragon Centre). Collingdon Road was landscaped and redeveloped to form a mile-long boulevard to Cardiff Bay. Work was completed in 2000 and the road was renamed Lloyd George Avenue.

21st century
With approximately 1500 houses and flats and no representative of its own on Cardiff Council, in 2016 the Atlantic Wharf Residents’ Association demanded that Atlantic Wharf be made into a separate electoral ward.

'Little Ireland'
The district of Newtown was constructed on the initiative of the Marquess of Bute in the mid-1800s to provide housing for the labourers who were building the new docks. The area consisted of six streets in the far north edge of what is now Atlantic Wharf. The streets were occupied mainly by Irish immigrants from Cork. Over 100 years after its creation, the buildings of Newtown were subject to compulsory purchase and were demolished in 1970 for redevelopment. The area eventually became an industrial estate next to the mainline railway.

Notable buildings

 * The Bonded Warehouse – Built in 1861 at the head of Bute East Dock using a frame of cast iron columns, in classical proportions. Grade II listed. Now converted into offices for an architecture practice.
 * Spillers & Bakers building (Schooner Way) – Mill and warehouse building constructed by milling company Spillers in 1887. Grade II listed. Now converted into luxury apartments.
 * The Bute Docks Feeder canal runs through the area. Two of the original 1850s bridges have Grade II listed status.
 * County Hall (Atlantic Wharf) – Headquarters of Cardiff Council, built 1988.
 * Red Dragon Centre (Hemingway Road) – Leisure complex including a 12-screen cinema, bowling alley and restaurants.
 * The quayside crane, built in 1933 by Messrs. Stothert & Pitt Ltd., was built for the Great Western Railway Company and was last used in January 1987.

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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Humpback Whale

Humpback Whale
Self-nom. I am sure there are typos (I am terrible at spotting my own), but I think the topic is covered fairly well now, and it has the all important pics. Pcb21| Pete 22:16, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. That's a nice article! - David Gerard 23:31, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. -Sean Curtin 06:38, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Support with two caveats: the article could use an external links section, and I'm wondering whether it's necessary to capitalize Humpback and Humpback Whale each time they appear in the article? Exploding Boy 14:01, Jun 24, 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comments. I'll have a scout round for good things to link to. Suitable things I can think of are a) greater depth articles on specific aspects of the subject (i.e. academic papers) or b) articles that have images that show the whole body (these are almost always drawings rather than photos for reasons of practicality!) Ideally the article would have one of these itself, but they rarely freely available from the copyright point of view. Secondly the capitalization thing is a general policy of the Tree of Life WikiProject. We should keep this article in line with the general policy - even if that policy is the source of endless debate :)! Pcb21| Pete 15:19, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * The question is -- is it proper English? Fredrik | talk 15:22, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * No, it's not. Humpback whale is not a proper noun. [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 16:36, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * A Humpback Whale is a species, not merely a whale that is humpback. Similarly the blue jay that you see in the yard may be a Blue Jay, unless you live west of the very rocky mountains, where it may be Steller's Jay. But there are other North American jays, and not every blue bird is a Bluebird, as not every miller is Mitch Miller or Ann Miller. Wetman 19:33, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC).
 * But a lion is not a Lion, right? Surely this is an inconsistency, or am I missing something? Fredrik | talk 19:48, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Right! not every lion is the Nemean Lion, or a particular species or sub-species. I'm probably hopelessly old-fashioned. Correct me; I won't fuss. Wetman 19:13, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Many particular species are listed in the dictionary. For the record, both Britannica and Merriam-Webster spell the Humpback Whale "humpback whale". Does that correct you? ;-) Fredrik | talk 23:32, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * I guess we could come up with a rule that no ToL articles can be featured because there is always going to be a significant portion of people who disagree with the policy (whichever way round we have it). I personally hope that no such rule is required. Of course if there any new issues that are not considered in the 600k of text in the ToL archives (and hundreds of mailing list posts) which led to the current policy then we must explore them, but not here. Pcb21| Pete 17:52, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * I'm not objecting. The article is quite good, and I'm not prepared to argue with dozens of irate biology-lovers over capitalization. [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 17:54, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Object. I think this article should include some description of the whale's song; quoting from : Humpback whales are probably best known for their “songs,” which are considered to be the most complex vocalization in the animal kingdom. . (We have "This whale is famous for its long and complex song - see the whale song article for details."). I don't think we should duplicate the content, but perhaps provide one or two summary paragraphs (if the external quote is true.) — Matt 21:10, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Done. Pcb21| Pete 22:43, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Object (sorry!). I think this is a nice article, but... 1) It could do with a full view (underwater) photograph or a diagram; the current pictures don't really give the overall view (even the breaching pic is obscured by spray). 2) I get the impression there needs to be more raw facts: e.g., have details about feeding, the size of body parts and behaviours (skyhopping, "lobtailing" etc) that we don't have. — Matt 00:27, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Don't say sorry. I know putting a nom here is definitely asking for a thorough examination and I welcome it. As I mention above I agree that a full-body image or diagram would be a great improvement but are hard to find. I will send some emails to those sites that look like they may be amenable to the GFDL and Wikipedia's aims. I must deal with lobtailing, spyhopping, (though skyhopping would be cool too I am sure :)), breaching etc in a separate article and reference it from the article with the usual short summary. Pcb21| Pete 08:20, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Neat article. It could use a *lot* of expansion; this is much more important than the all-important pics :).  Please provide more insight into how humpbacks fit into the grand scheme of things -- evolutionarily within its genetic family, and in its current ecosystems.   What do its social groups look like?  How, broadly, do humpbacks interact with other species, human, whale, or otherwise?  Who are the people who like to study these whales; who wrote about them hundreds of years ago when they were only occasionally sighted, tell me more of the history of human interaction with these easily-spotted and remarkable whales, aside from kill rates and numbers. +sj +  06:11, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * The article states ...the most-studied and well-understood of all cetaceans as researchers have been able to follow the trials and tribulations of individuals and small groups in studies ongoing since the 1970s, but tells the reader nothing of these trials and tribulations, or of these ongoing studies.   More detail on Phil Clapham and his book (perhaps a few words in this article, but a good one-paragraph stub in their own articles) would also improve the article.
 * Lots of good ideas here. I will deal with them as many as I can when I get home to my books and report. However I fear the answer to some questions may simply be "unknown". Pcb21| Pete 08:20, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Object to image descriptions. Please provide full descriptions for the photos you didn't take yourself; a proper link to "NOAA site", naming the site without the acronym, and perhaps a link to their image-use policy. +sj +
 * I'll ask the person who uploaded them to help me out with that. Pcb21| Pete 07:45, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Turns out I didn't need to. I have tracked down the source of images and lengthened the description of all of them (including mine). Pcb21| Pete 08:54, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Reluctant object - Nice article, but I must echo the call for an image showing the whole animal. I would also like to see some more info on the animal's behavior (mating, parenting, feeding, etc) along with evolutionary history and the role these animals play in their ecological niche. --mav 07:47, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * Taking on board the many bits of encouragement, advice and objections, I have substantially expanded the article and hope I have basically covered all the bases. Please see Talk:Humpback Whale for a more detailed analysis. Pcb21| Pete 15:17, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Nice job! Accept. Although it is still a bit lean in the areas I cited (other than the image), I think that that article covers all major aspects well enough for featured status. More can be added later - but a solid foundation already exists. --mav 09:45, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * Does this picture address the problem of not having a full-body shot of the whale?  RickK 23:07, Jun 26, 2004 (UTC)
 * I've uploaded a slightly modified form of this: Image:Humpback_Whale_underwater_shot.jpg. James F. (talk) 23:22, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Cool! Thanks Rick and James. Pcb21| Pete 09:29, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. I'm impressed by Pete's followup of this process. ✏ Sverdrup 22:18, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Support, despite the naming issue. Fredrik | talk 23:32, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Object. The "Taxonomy and evolution" section needs tweaking for creation-vs-evolution NPOV; I guess it only needs a few careful changes of things like "it is known" to "evolutionary biologists believe" and the like. — Matt 15:55, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Absolutely not. Evolution is *the* accepted method by which animals come/came to exist. We do not need to drag out creationism every time we talk about evolution, nor do we need to undercut the language. →Raul654 17:50, Jun 28, 2004 (UTC)
 * I had the same initial reaction as you but realising this suggestion had implications for the whole tree of life project, I thought I should take the question there (see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Tree of Life), and a correspondent pointed out an improvement without necessarily getting into creationism. I've implemented that suggestion, so hopefully all sides will be ok. Pcb21| Pete 19:01, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * The rewording conveys the same information in an NPOV way without loss of clarity, thanks! — Matt 22:12, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. Nice job JoJan 17:28, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. Excellent article. — Matt 21:39, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. --Yath 04:29, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)


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Driver (video game)

Driver (subtitled "You Are the Wheelman" in North America) is an action driving video game and the first installment in the Driver series. Developed by Reflections Interactive and published by GT Interactive, it was released on the PlayStation on 25 June 1999, and was ported to Microsoft Windows on 1 October 1999, and to Classic Mac OS on 12 December 2000 by Abersoft Limited.

The game, inspired by movie car chases, sees players driving around four real-life cities – Miami, San Francisco, Los Angeles and New York – using a variety of vehicles, with the plot focusing on the work of an undercover police officer, John Tanner, who infiltrates a criminal outfit to investigate their operations, only to discover a plot by their boss to assassinate the President of the United States.

The game proved a commercial hit upon release, and received favorable reviews from critics. Additional versions were created and released at later dates – two ports for Microsoft Windows and Mac were released on 1 October 1999 and in December 2000 respectively; and handheld remakes for the Game Boy Color, developed Crawfish Interactive and published by Infogrames, and for iOS and Palm Pre, developed and published by Gameloft, were released in May 2000 and on 8 December 2009 respectively. The game was re-released on the PlayStation Network on 14 October 2008. The game's success led to further sequels, including Driver 2 in November 2000 and Driver 3 in June 2004.

Gameplay
The game is played out in four cities: Miami, San Francisco, Los Angeles and New York, each of which remain only partially faithful to the actual city layouts. A fifth bonus city, Newcastle (where Reflections Interactive is based), is unlockable in the PC version through gameplay and in the PlayStation version using a cheat device, but no missions are available and the playable area is small. The game was notable at the time of its original release insofar as the player was able to explore each city as an open world environment. Driver has often been compared to the Grand Theft Auto series. It also bears significant thematic resemblances to the 20th Century Fox movie The Driver (1978).

Plot
NYPD detective and former racing driver John Tanner is sent undercover by Lieutenant McKenzie to investigate a crime syndicate led by Castaldi; McKenzie instructs Tanner to go to Miami and meet a pimp named Rufus. After arriving in Miami, Tanner uses his driving skills to prove himself to some gangsters in a parking garage, and becomes their getaway driver.

Tanner carries out jobs for various criminals before meeting Rufus, who tasks Tanner with rescuing Jean-Paul, one of his associates. Rufus is later shot dead by his girlfriend Jesse, whom Tanner apprehends, and she reveals that Jean-Paul is now in San Francisco.

Tanner goes to San Francisco, where he finally meets Castaldi and begins working directly for him. He also meets Rusty Slater, his former racing rival, who also works for Castaldi. Tanner later learns from local informant Mojo that Castaldi is working with a man named Don Hancock, who is running for president. He comes to suspect that Slater has been spying on him and wrecks Slater's car during a chase, resulting in Slater being arrested.

Castaldi's syndicate moves to Los Angeles, where Castaldi plans to assassinate FBI agent Bill Maddox. Tanner instructs Lech, a police associate, to ensure Maddox turns up; otherwise, his cover may be blown. The assassination fails and the police ambush the gangsters, forcing Tanner to take them to safety. Tanner convinces the suspicious gangsters that Slater told the police about the planned assassination. Lech later tells Tanner that McKenzie recently met with Marcus Vaughn, an FBI agent whom Tanner realizes is working with Castaldi and Hancock.

The syndicate then moves to New York, where Castaldi plans a high-profile assassination. Lech tells Tanner that Hancock has bribed several people in the FBI and that McKenzie wants him to pull out of the operation, as he worries for Tanner's cover. Tanner insists on staying undercover and keeps working for Castaldi, intent on uncovering his plan.

Tanner eventually learns that Castaldi plans to assassinate the President of the United States, and Tanner is tasked with driving the President's car. However, he ignores all instructions and takes the President to safety. McKenzie then arrives and tells Tanner that Castaldi and all of his associates, including Hancock and Vaughn, have been arrested, then offers Tanner his badge back. However, Tanner suspects that the police and FBI were involved with Castaldi, so he leaves, ignoring McKenzie completely.

Development
Series creator Martin Edmonson was inspired by the very first film he saw at the cinema, 1978 crime thriller The Driver. The "infamous car park level", which tasks players with performing a series of driving feats such as handbrake turns and slaloming, the difficulty of which frustrated many players, was directly lifted from a scene in the film.

The destruction of vehicles in-game was inspired by Edmonson watching "real destruction derbies and banger racing" as a child and observing the "twisted metal and the battered cars" afterwards. To achieve the "sound effects of the crunching metal sound" of car crashes during development, the team "went to a wrecker's yard and hired a big JCB, and we were picking up cars and dropping them on top of other cars".

According to Spanish video game magazine Magazine 64, in 1999, GT Interactive were conducting development tests for a port to the Nintendo 64, although no such release ever materialized. In 2009, a remastered version of the game was released on the App Store. Developed and published by Gameloft, the original plot and structure were left intact, but the graphics were enhanced, the music was re-done, and voice acting was re-recorded for the cutscenes.

Reception
Driver was a commercial hit, with sales above 1 million units by early August 1999. In the German market, Driver's PlayStation version received a "Gold" award from the Verband der Unterhaltungssoftware Deutschland (VUD) by the end of July, indicating sales of at least 100,000 units across Germany, Austria and Switzerland. The committee raised it to "Platinum" status (200,000 sales) by the end of September. In the United States, Driver's jewel case version for computers sold 390,000 copies and earned $3.8 million by August 2006, after its release in October 2000. It was the country's 42nd-best-selling computer game between January 2000 and August 2006. , it has sold over 4 million units worldwide and grossed $150 million in revenue.

Upon its initial release, Driver was met with very positive feedback and critical acclaim. The PlayStation and iOS versions received "favorable" reviews according to video game review aggregator Metacritic.

Jeff Lundrigan reviewed the PlayStation version of the game for Next Generation, rating it four stars out of five, and stated that "a movie buff's dream – but Driver is still great even if you aren't big on movies".

IGN's Douglass C. Perry said of the original PlayStation game: "In the history of driving games for PlayStation, there is nothing that comes close to the comprehensive, deep, and thoroughly pleasurable experience that's embedded deep in the heart of Driver [...] It fulfills driving enthusiasts' deepest desires to drive as fast as possible through major US cities and to slam into just about anything without any repercussions. In that sense, Driver is a dream come true". He went on to call it "one of the best driving games on any system". Game Revolution's Ben Silverman was equally impressed, saying: "Driver excels where other games have failed by striking a perfect balance between action and realism. Car handling is a wonderful mixture of true physics and arcade functionality—not as nitpicky and sim oriented as Gran Turismo nor as ridiculously implausible as SF Rush. Driving follows the 'easy to learn, hard to master' formula [...] Rarely does a game captivate the stoic and hypercritical Game Revolution office, but Driver has done just that". GameSpot's Ryan MacDonald was not as enthusiastic, saying: "Driver is a game that might be mediocre in its presentation but more than makes up for it in its gameplay and concept".

IGN's Mike Morrissey praised the quality of the PC port and said: "Though the PC version of Driver is a fairly straight port from the PlayStation title released in July, graphic improvements are apparent, especially at resolutions of 800x600 and over with the details cranked. Though this requires a fairly fast computer, the effect is worth it. Smooth frame rates reveal nice textures for the buildings and surroundings, translucent water in areas of Miami, and of course, lens flare". GameSpot's Erik Wolpaw was somewhat disappointed with the port, but this was negated because the original game was so strong: "Like many console-to-PC ports, Driver suffers from being translated verbatim and taking little advantage of the more powerful PC platform. However, Driver's core game design is so strikingly original and fun that it can be enjoyed without embellishment". They concluded that "it is addictive, intuitive, and fun, which are qualities sometimes overlooked in the industry's myopic pursuit of purely technical innovation. With Driver, Reflections has produced the definitive re-creation of the classic urban car-chase movie and has quite possibly introduced a new genre of driving game".

IGN's Craig Harris praised the Game Boy Color port's top down view and the controls and concluded: "I'm actually quite surprised at how well Driver turned out for the Game Boy Color. I was expecting a Point-A-to-B game like Grand Theft Auto and got a whole lot more. The missions have different elements to give the basic formula a bit more variety. It's missing a few details from the PlayStation version, but for what Crawfish had to work with hardware-wise, the development team did a great job". GameSpot's Frank Provo was critical of the sound, but aside from that, he said, "Driver is smoothness personified. Driving around is fun and exciting, the levels are varied, and the side games really do improve your skill within the main game. Even without a battery save and a two-player feature, there's really nothing major to complain about".

Reviewing the Classic Mac OS port of the game in March 2001, MacAddict editor Frank O'Connor gave the game a positive review, noting that it "plays like a dream" and described it as "hecka fun". Criticism was noted for the Macintosh version being a port of the PlayStation version as opposed to the enhanced Windows version. O'Connor noted that a "few graphical tweaks and even some rudimentary changes to the interlace would have made Driver an instant and all-time Mac classic".

Despite the general praise, the opening tutorial set in a car park, where the player has to perform various stunts and moves (such as drifting and 180 degree turns) as well as the final mission, were criticised for excessive difficulty. Because of this, the game frequently appears in lists of "hardest PS1 games".

At the 1999 E3 Game Critics Awards, Driver won "Best Racing Game", and in 2002 it was ranked No. 12 on IGN's list of the "Top 25 PlayStation Games". The Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences named Driver as a finalist for "Console Game of the Year" and "Console Racing Game of the Year" during the 3rd Annual Interactive Achievement Awards.

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Margaret Thatcher
This article seems well-written. John Major is featured, and it's shorter than Thatcher's article... cryptfiend64 00:55, 30 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Neutral, leaning towards oppose. Couldn't the cabinets be split off or something? They make the article unnecessarily long. Johnleemk 02:12, 31 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Oppose for now . There are a lot of words that could/should be hyperlinked, particularly for the benefit of readers unfamiliar with Maggie (hard though it is to believe, as a late-20s Brit, plenty such people do exist ;o) — I'll prolly go through and do some of these later this evening. A copy of the (rather famous) photo of her leaving Downing Street, with tears in her eyes, seems notable by its absence, though; there must be one that doesn't present copyright issues, surely? I'm inclined to agree with Johnleemk about the Cabinet lists, though. I think they should be split off to another page. I could be convinced on these last two points, though; I definitely will support this being FA at some point soon. — OwenBlacker 19:49, Jun 14, 2004 (UTC)
 * Right, I've done that (and read it through even more carefully as a result). I'll support this once there's another image or two to break up the copy a little. I'd suggest a photo from the aftermath of the [{Brighton Bomb]] and Maggie crying in the car, leaving Downing Street, as they're both memorable sets of images, one of any of her Conference speeches at the podium would prolly suffice, if that's the best anyone can do... ;o)    — OwenBlacker 21:27, Jun 14, 2004 (UTC)
 * I added another photo. Changing back to no objections. →Raul654 05:54, Jun 15, 2004 (UTC)
 * The Brighton bomb and the Maggie leaving Downing Street were unique events with considerable historic and educational value. Thus they are ideal candidates for a fair use of photos from one of the various news sources. The argument for a podium speech photo is harder to justify. I like the article. Pcb21| Pete 22:18, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * The new photo is great, but I really do think it needs at least one of her leaving Downing Street or the Brighton Bomb. Definitely an improvement (thanks, Raul), but I think I continue to object until at least one of these two events is pictures on the article; the new photo is just a little too nondescript... OwenBlacker 12:14, Jun 15, 2004 (UTC)
 * Object - TOC is too long (see guidelines). I suggest moving all the cabinet stuff to a separate daughter article. --mav 06:38, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Cabinets spun off. TOC is about 40% smaller now. →Raul654 06:44, Jun 15, 2004 (UTC)
 * Much better, thanks. --mav
 * Some of us are worried about butchering articles just so the remainder looks neat enough to satisfy the whims of the FAC process. It seems a backwards way to do things. Although layout is important, content is king. See Talk:Margaret Thatcher.
 * Support. — Matt 14:13, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. James F. (talk) 17:45, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Brilliant. +sj +  06:15, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. TreyHarris 15:38, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Oppose for now. The article is well written, but the introduction is poor. One has to read several screens of text before learning anything about her role as one of the most important political figures of 20th century. The article should have an introduction fit to be put on the front page. Zocky 18:23, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Titles
It seems to me that this article has to meet the same fate as Ian McKellen, as it refers to "Thatcher," just as Ian McKellen refers to "McKellen." So if that article gets disqualified as an FA for that usage, this one has to be, too. --TreyHarris 01:08, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thatcher is a baroness. Peers are referred to by just their last names. And for the period before she became a peer, there's certainly not a problem. john k 06:38, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Is our policy to refer to her as "Lady Thatcher" or "Baroness Thatcher"? I think that "Lady" might be more appropriate for references after the first (if even that is used, instead of just "Thatcher"). It's like referring to a Countess as "the Countess of X" first and "Lady X" or "X" thereafter. -- Emsworth 17:10, Jun 11, 2004 (UTC)

Tbh, I'm not all that bothered about the use of titles either way, as long as the article is internally consistent, I think Wikipedia-wide consistency is merely a nice-to-have. — OwenBlacker 19:49, Jun 14, 2004 (UTC)

I'm hereby declaring that peerage titles should not be used in the article, and that this objection is moot. →Raul654 06:00, Jun 15, 2004 (UTC)
 * I agree that titles need not be used when referring to the period during which the Lady Thatcher was not a Baroness. For the period she was a Baroness, however, I think that "Margaret Thatcher" would be innapropriate. Better would be "Lady Thatcher" or just "Thatcher." That being said, I agree that this objection is not germane. -- Emsworth 22:24, Jun 17, 2004 (UTC)


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Justice and Development Party (Morocco)

The Justice and Development Party is a political party in Morocco that advocates for political Islam. It was the ruling party of Morocco from 2011 to 2021.

History
PJD was founded by Abdelkrim al-Khatib, one of the founders of the Popular Movement party, from which he was expelled in the mid-1960s, under the name of MPDC (Mouvement populaire démocratique et constitutionnel, the "Popular Democratic and Constitutional Movement"). The party was an empty shell for many years, until various members of a clandestine association Chabiba Islamia, who later formed the MUR (Mouvement unité et réforme, the "Unity and Reform Movement") joined the party, with the authorisation and encouragement of former interior minister Driss Basri. It later changed its name to current PJD in 1998.

The party won eight seats in the parliamentary election in 1997. In the parliamentary election held on 27 September 2002, the party won 42 out of 325 seats, winning most of the districts where it fielded candidates. Its secretary-general since 2004 was Saadeddine Othmani, MP representing Mohammedia. In the parliamentary election held on 7 September 2007, the PJD won 43 out of 325 seats, behind the Istiqlal Party, which won 52. This was contrary to expectations that the PJD would win the most seats. However, the party had limited number of candidates in the election.

Abdelilah Benkirane was elected leader of the PJD in July 2008, taking over from Saadeddine Othmani. Having won a plurality of seats (107 seats) in the November 2011 parliamentary election, the party formed a coalition with three parties that had been part of previous governments, and Benkirane was appointed Prime Minister of Morocco on 29 November 2011.

His new government has targeted average economic growth of 5.5 percent a year during its four-year mandate, and to reduce the jobless rate to 8 percent by the end of 2016 from 9.1 percent at the start of 2012. Benkirane's government has also actively pursued Morocco’s ties with the European Union, its chief trade partner, as well as becoming increasingly engaged with the six-member Gulf Co-operation Council.

In the 2021 general election, the PJD suffered a crushing defeat, losing 113 seats.

On 11 March 2023, PJD criticized Nasser Bourita, Morocco’s foreign minister, claiming that he defended Israel during meetings with African and European officials. PJD Leader, Abdelilah Benkirane asked members of the party to not comment on the statement released by the Royal Cabinet regarding the Palestine cause. Later claiming that the comments were aimed towards foreign minister, Nasser Bourita, and not the nation’s interests.

Ideology
PJD is a conservative Islamic-democratic party which supports the Moroccan monarchy. PJD disavows violence, terrorism and seeks to defend Morocco’s Islamic identity through legislative means.

According to a paper published by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, the PJD has placed economic and legal issues at the core of its platform and is committed to internal democracy.

The party's stated platform includes:
 * Education reform and reestablishment.
 * Economic partnerships with other countries.
 * Enhancement of democracy and human rights.
 * Encouraging investment.
 * Greater "Arab and Muslim unity".

It is historically affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood,  however, despite this, PJD was never an official branch.

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User talk:Kenj0418/archive1

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First Amendment edit war
There seems to be an edit war in progress over First Amendment to the United States Constitution. I am fairly new to wikipedia. Can you please take a look at the page and advise on proper steps to take next? DES 22:22, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I have reverted First Amendment to the United States Constitution back to the compromise version posted by DESiegel at 16:56, Feb 24, 2005. I have placed a discussion regarding the differing views regarding the content that should appear on this page on the article's talk page. Please view this page and the discussion there prior to making any substantive changes to this page. I am attempting to resolve this dispute with DESiegel's compromise version, and hopefully avoid formal dispute resolution (ie. page protection, mediation, arbitration, etc.).

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Thank you for your assistance on this matter. DES 16:33, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for cleaning up on my page. :) --jh51681 07:01, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Kenj0418 07:05, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Co-recursion
I don't think that's what they meant by co-recursion. Corecursion is a category theory/computer science concept dual to recursion, so I think it's more likely that's what they had in mind. (There's some discussion of the topic at Talk:Recursion. -- Walt Pohl 06:05, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I don't know much about the subject, but I can at least create a stub. -- Walt Pohl 22:16, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Mediation
Hello, I am responding to your Mediation request. I have read your request, the articles in question and checked a few diffs, so as to see what everyone is trying to do, so we can start whenever you want. I would like to know whether you communicate with these anons at all - I have been checking the talk pages and there does not seem to be much. If there isn't, we will have to establish communication and possibly persuade them to open accounts, so that we can communicate with them more effectively and direct them to the talk pages. Mediation is a process of compromise within the limits of policy, so you will have to understand what they are trying to do (their agenda) and make proposals compatible with policy. Normally, they will have to do the same. Of course, every mediation is different, so we'll start and see where we end up. Izehar 23:41, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

 * In my opinion, agreement should be established between the registered users first. You have listed two other registered users apart from yourself who are involved, so, if you agree, we should contact them and agree on a reasonably NPOV version. In the meantime, we should ask the anons to participate, but I don't think they will. If you agree, let me know and I'll let them all know of the mediation and set up duplicate articles to work on. Izehar 20:00, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Hello, I have asked the named registered users to comment on the named versions. I am thinking that this case may be too simple to require duplicate articles. If all registered users agree over the same versions, then any other users (registered or unregistered) will have to go through the proper channels to make controversial edits (ie use the talk page). They seem to have stopped anyway - but if they come back, if they make obviously biased edits and do not explain themselves, they will have to be reverted. I'll be keeping an eye on those pages to see if the anons come back and if they do, ask them to explain their edits. Izehar 10:54, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Hello, could you please direct your attention in the St Stanislaus mediation case to its main page. Any comments should be made on the talk page Thanks. Izehar 23:06, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

 * Hi, I'm thinking of closing the mediation case. You all seem to have agreed on the appropriate version and the only reason we kept it open was because BNA-WTTWA said that he/she would like to improve it. He/She hasn't edited for a week though. I would like to know if there is anything else you need (not that I've done much), or should I go ahead and close the case? Izehar 12:09, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Certainly :-) Izehar 23:16, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Archbishop Timothy Dolan of Milwaukee
Hi!Many thanks for your comment concerning the Archbishop Burke article.I am working on the Archbishop Dolan article.If you have time,please take a look at it.Again,many thanks-RFD 12:06, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism Report
Someone vandalized the political philosophy page. not sure how to change it back. thanks

Thank you
Many thanks for linking the RFT articles to the Diocese of La Crosse discussion section. I like being part of Wikipedia especially WikiProject Wisconsin.Thank you. I hope you are well.RFD 20:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Legistorm.com
If no other admin removes the blacklist, I'll do it within 24 hours, although I might be criticized for it. There seems to be an unduly punitive attitude among some maintainers of the blacklist; like the site should be dead to us because they once employed a spammer. Anyhow, it'll be a good opportunity to finally migrate all representatives to. And like I said, if we do ultimately decide against the links, we can remove them all at once by deleting one line of the template. Cool Hand Luke 08:26, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

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Alexei Razumovsky

Count Alexei Grigorievich Razumovsky (Граф Алексе́й Григо́рьевич Разумо́вский, Граф Олексій Григорович Розумовський; 1709–1771) was a Ukrainian-born Russian Registered Cossack who rose to become the lover, and it was suggested he was the morganatic spouse, of Empress Elizabeth Petrovna of Russia. A member of the House of Razumovsky, he survived Elizabeth. The matter of any children they may have had together is unresolved.

Early life
Alexei Grigorievich Razumovsky was born as Alexei (or Oleksiy) Rozum on 17 March 1709 (NS: 28 March) on Lemeshi, a farm in the area of Chernigov Regiment, Tsardom of Russia (now Ukraine), to the family of a registered Ukrainian-born Cossack, Gregory Rozum. In his youth he was a shepherd and he was taught to read and write by a rural sexton. Having a fine voice he sang in the choir at the village church. In 1731, Colonel Vyshnevsky, one of empress Anna Ivanovna's courtiers, while passing through the village on his way back to the Russian capital from a mission to Hungary, was impressed with his vocal ability, and took him to Saint Petersburg where he joined the choir of the Russian palace chapel as Alexei Grigoriev.

Razumovsky was handsome, which, along with his vocal talents, captivated Elizabeth Petrovna, who brought him to the imperial court in 1732. With the deportation of Elizabeth's then favourite, Alexis Shubin, Razumovsky became her favorite. After losing his voice, he was accepted in the post of the court bandura player, and then the manager of one of Elizabeth's mansions. He received the rank of the hof-quartermeister; and actually supervised Elizabeth's court. During the period of Anna Leopoldovna's reign he was made a Kamer-Junker.

Night Emperor
Razumovsky played an important role in the palace revolution of 25–26 November 1741 (NS 6–7 December), which brought about Elizabeth Petrovna's accession to the throne. On 30 November (NS 11 December) he was appointed as a chamberlain with the rank of a general-lieutenant. On the coronation day (25 April (NS: 6 May) 1742) he was made a Hofmarschall. Other honours bestowed on him included the Order of Saint Andrew and the Order of Alexander Nevsky, as well as being awarded numerous estates in Moscow and elsewhere.

Two years later in 1744, he received the comital title Reichsgraf (рейхграф in Russian) from the Holy Roman Emperor Charles VII and he was made a count in Russia in the same year. In 1745 he became the captain-lieutenant of the life-guards, and in 1748 he became the lieutenant-colonel of life-guards. On 5 September (NS: 16 September) 1756 he received the rank of field marshal. During Elizabeth Petrovna's reign he kept an exclusive position at court (though in his last years he was rivaled by the younger Ivan Shuvalov); in 1744, the empress visited his native village and met members of his family. Razumovsky's apartments in the Summer Palace directly adjoined to Elizabeth's apartments, and he had constant access to her.

Razumovsky was not interested in politics, but he quite often supported chancellor Bestuzhev. On his advice, the office of Ukrainian hetman was restored and his younger brother Kirill Razumovsky was made a hetman and president of the Russian Academy of Sciences.

Later years

Before her death, the empress made her successor Peter III promise not to offend her favorites. In 1762, Razumovsky submitted his resignation and moved from the Winter Palace to the Anichkov Palace, which had been presented to him by Elizabeth. After Catherine II's accession to the throne, Razumovsky refused the title of highness that was offered to him. At the empress's request, he destroyed all documents about his marriage with Elizabeth. He died on 6 July (NS 17 July) 1771 in Saint Petersburg and was buried in the Annunciation Church of the Alexandro-Nevskaya Lavra.

The question of Razumovsky and Elizabeth Petrovna's children remains unresolved and subject to many legends. The best known pretenders were two princesses Tarakanova, one of whom (Augusta Tarakanova) became a nun under the name Dosifeya. She died in 1810 and was buried in the Romanov family crypt; another (Elizabeth Tarakanova) was arrested in Livorno, Tuscany by Aleksei Grigoryevich Orlov and returned to Russia in February 1775. She was then imprisoned in the Peter and Paul Fortress, where she died from tuberculosis. The legend of her being drowned during the floods of 1777 served as the plot for a painting by artist Konstantin Flavitsky (1864, Tretyakov Gallery).

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Born: 1951, Ohio, USA

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Thomas Corwin Mendenhall

Thomas Corwin Mendenhall (October 4, 1841 – March 23, 1924) was an American autodidact physicist and meteorologist. He was the first professor hired at Ohio State University in 1873 and the superintendent of the United States Coast and Geodetic Survey (one of the ancestor organizations of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) from 1889 to 1894. Alongside his work, he was also an advocate for the adoption of the metric system by the United States and is the father of author profiling.

Biography
Mendenhall was born in Hanoverton, Ohio, to Stephen Mendenhall, a farmer and carriage-maker, and Mary Thomas. In 1852 the family moved to Marlboro, a Quaker community outside of Akron, Ohio. His parents were strong abolitionists and frequently opened their home to escaped slaves heading north along the Underground Railroad. Mendenhall became principal of the local primary school in 1858. He formalized his teaching qualifications at National Normal University in 1861 with an Instructor Normalis degree.

While living in Columbus, Ohio, he married Susan Allan Marple in 1870. The couple had one child, Charles Elwood Mendenhall (1872–1935), teacher and chairman of the physics department at University of Wisconsin–Madison for 34 years.

He taught at a number of schools in Ohio including Central High School in Columbus, gaining an impressive reputation as a teacher and educator. In 1873, although he lacked conventional academic credentials, he was appointed professor of physics and mechanics at the Ohio Agricultural and Mechanical College. The college ultimately became Ohio State University, Mendenhall being the first member of the original faculty. He was later awarded the first ever honorary Ph.D. from The Ohio State University in 1878.

In 1878, on the recommendation of Edward S. Morse, he was recruited to help the modernization of Meiji Era Japan as one of the o-yatoi gaikokujin (hired foreigners), serving as visiting professor of physics at Tokyo Imperial University. In connection with this appointment, he founded a meteorological observatory to make systematic observations during his residence in Japan. From measurements using a Kater's pendulum of the force of gravity at sea level and at the summit of Mount Fuji, Mendenhall deduced a value for the mass of the Earth that agreed closely with estimates that Francis Baily had made in England by another method. He also made a series of elaborate measurements of the wavelengths of the solar spectrum by means of a large spectrometer. He also became interested in earthquakes while in Japan, and was one of the founders of the Seismological Society of Japan (SSJ). During his time in Japan, he also gave public lectures on various scientific topics to general audiences in temples and in theaters.

Returning to Ohio in 1881, Mendenhall was instrumental in developing the Ohio State Meteorological Service. He devised a system of weather signals for display on railroad trains. This method became general throughout the United States and Canada.

He became professor at the U.S. Signal Corps in 1884, introducing of systematic observations of lightning, and investigating methods for determining ground temperatures. He was the first to establish stations in the United States for the systematic observation of earthquake phenomena. Resigning in 1886, Mendenhall took up the presidency of the Rose Polytechnic Institute in Terre Haute, Indiana before becoming superintendent of the United States Coast and Geodetic Survey in 1889. During his time as superintendent, he issued the Mendenhall Order and oversaw the consequent transition of the United States's weights and measures from the customary system, based on that of England, to the metric system. Mendenhall remained a strong proponent for the official adoption of the metric system all his life. Also, as superintendent of the U.S. Coast and Geodetic Survey, he was also responsible for defining the exact national boundary between Alaska and Canada. The Mendenhall Valley and Glacier in Juneau, Alaska was named for him in 1892.

Mendenhall invented the portable Mendenhall Gravimeter in 1890 while he was superintendent of the U.S. Coast and Geodetic Survey, and at that time it provided the most accurate relative measurements of the local gravitational field of the Earth. The gravimeters were used at over 340 survey stations across the US and around the world including Germany, the Netherlands, Java, Philippines, Cuba, Haiti, Bahamas, Dominican Republic, Panama, Canada, and Mexico. The swing of the pendulum was more regular than the most accurate clocks of the era, and as the "world's best clock" it was used by Albert A. Michelson to measure the speed of light, for which he won a Nobel Prize in 1907. An early model of the original 1890s Mendenhall Gravimeter is on display at the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, D.C.

Mendenhall was appointed president of the Worcester Polytechnic Institute from 1894 until 1901, when he emigrated to Europe. He returned to the United States in 1912. He was appointed to the board of trustees of the Ohio State University in 1919 and is remembered for his successful efforts to close the College of Homeopathic Medicine and his unsuccessful effort to limit the capacity of Ohio Stadium to 45,000 seats, contending that it would never be able to fill to its design capacity of 63,000 seats. He continued to serve as a trustee until his death at Ravenna, Ohio in 1924. He was buried at Forest Hill Cemetery in Madison, Wisconsin.

His portrait is currently part of the Smithsonian Institution National Portrait Gallery in Washington, D.C. It was painted by his former pupil Annie Ware Sabine Siebert, who was the first recipient of a Master of Arts degree from The Ohio State University in 1886, and one of the first women to earn an architecture degree from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in 1888. A portrait by famous artist and Columbus, Ohio native George Bellows was commissioned by the Ohio State University in 1913.

The largest collection of images, historical documents and handwritten material relating to Thomas Corwin Mendenhall is with Mendenhall family member documentary filmmaker Sybil Drew.

Work on stylometry
In 1887 Mendenhall published one of the earliest attempts at stylometry also known as author profiling, the quantitative analysis of writing style. Prompted by a suggestion made by the English mathematician Augustus De Morgan in 1851, Mendenhall attempted to characterize the style of different authors through the frequency distribution of words of various lengths. In this article Mendenhall mentioned the possible relevance of this technique to the Shakespeare authorship question, and several years later the idea was picked up by a supporter of the theory that Sir Francis Bacon was the true author of the works usually attributed to Shakespeare. He paid for a team of two people to undertake the counting required, but the results did not appear to support the theory. For comparison, in 1901 Mendenhall also had works by Christopher Marlowe analysed, and proponents of the Marlovian theory of Shakespeare authorship welcomed his finding that "in the characteristic curve of his plays Christopher Marlowe agrees with Shakespeare about as well as Shakespeare agrees with himself."

Honors

 * Honorary Ph.D. from The Ohio State University (1878)
 * Honorary Ph.D. from University of Michigan (1887)
 * Member of the National Academy of Sciences (1887)
 * President of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (1889)
 * Elected member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences (1891)
 * The Mendenhall Valley and Mendenhall Glacier in Juneau, Alaska were named for him (1892)
 * Elected a member of the American Antiquarian Society (1895)
 * Elected member of the American Philosophical Society (1899)
 * Cullum Geographical Medal of the American Geographical Society (1901)
 * Order of the Sacred Treasure, Japan (1911)
 * Honorary Ph.D. from Case Western Reserve University (1912)
 * Franklin Medal (1918)
 * Mendenhall Laboratory on the campus of the Ohio State University is named for him

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Article One of the United States Constitution
Self-nomination. I think that some might object to the article's overall length. The length, however, is caused by the inclusion of the text, which was desired when the First Amendment article was nominated. The remainder of the article, I think, is of appropriate length (about 30K). -- Emsworth 18:29, Jun 16, 2004 (UTC)
 * The length is no problem. Neutral for now, leaning towards object.  These are really good legal histories--they would make fantastic sections of an eventual article.  What's missing is some kind of overview approach, something that speaks to the general relevance of Article 1 beyond the narrowly legal.  Am I being clear? [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 18:48, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * You are indeed being clear. I presume you want an expansion of the material within the first paragraph of the lead section? -- Emsworth 18:52, Jun 16, 2004 (UTC)
 * Well, the lead is quite good--concise, yet informative. Maybe another section detailing the broader impact, or just material within the other sections explaining what effects this has had on the country as a whole.  Hope this helps, [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 19:31, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * I've added material in certain sections: Congress, House of Representatives, Senate, Elections and Meetings, Bills. Feel free to inform me if more, in your opinion, is necessary. -- Emsworth 20:32, Jun 16, 2004 (UTC)
 * Much better--those were really interesting. Support. [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 20:43, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * Object. TOC is too long (see What is a featured article), and article is too long (see Page size) because of the inclusion of the source text (see Wikipedia is not and Don't include copies of primary sources). The source text should be moved to Wikisource and a link provided. That should take care of all the issues I have with the article (which is rather good). --mav 21:34, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Done -- Emsworth 22:13, Jun 16, 2004 (UTC)
 * I withdraw my objection and change to accept. --mav 03:13, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Support. -Sean Curtin 07:03, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Object. One image is not credited, and two of the other images are only believed to be in the public domain. Jeronimo 09:59, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * The issue of the Senate picture is addressed above in the Separation of powers section. The others are not just "believed" to be PD according to the summaries, which simply give the source and state "public domain." -- Emsworth 13:05, Jun 24, 2004 (UTC)
 * Yes, but if you follow these links ( and ), it reads "Images of American Political History. All images are believed to be in the public domain.". There is no source stated, and no evidence that these images are really in the PD. As for the Senate image: see my comment at Separation of Powers. Jeronimo 11:13, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
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Talk:Bob Kerrey

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In May 2001, Kerrey admitted to his role in the killing of civilians in the isolated peasant village of Thanh Phong, Vietnam on 25 February, 1969, while serving as a Navy SEAL in the Vietnam War, for which he got the Bronze Star. Can someone clarify- did he get his Bronze Star for this particular incident? The sentence is confusingly constructed. -FZ 16:03, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

He got the Bronze Star for that incident, which was granted due to a wrong account of the events that happened.--Wfzelle 09:40, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Lieberman
I'm not sure this is relevant enough to put in, but Kerrey just endorsed Joe Lieberman's independent bid in the Connecticut U.S. Senate race.

Source needed
Quotes listed in WP, particularly those that could be construed as controversial should have their source included. --Blainster 16:45, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Navy SEALs
Navy SEALs are not special forces. There is just one "special forces" in the US military, and that is the US Army Special Forces. Navy SEALs are referred to as "special operations forces". Special Forces is an official title of a unit, not a description. Its wide use as such is incorrect.

 * Special Forces (note caps) is a particular unit in the U.S. military; special forces (note lowercase) is a generic term used worldwide to designate units like Navy SEALS. To avoid confusion with Special Forces, the U.S. military officially uses the term special operations forces to describe SEALS etc., but as a reference work with a global audience, there's no reason why WP has to use this rather awkward terminology. Nareek 12:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Needs reorganization
The "Biography" section needs to be revamped. I suggest creating a separate "Political career" section and including the information on his stint in the Senate and as governor there. --38.100.43.50 19:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Sorry, that post was made by me...forgot to log in --Ball&Chain 19:08, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Yes, it needs major reorganization and editing. Please stop removing my remarks about Kerrey's attempt to undermine the political career of others in his effort to appease the Clinton campaign. These are real issues. As I've posted:
 * Bob Kerrey has played a role in backing the Clinton's. He had made disparaging remarks about Barack Obama during the 2008 Presential Campaign. ... References: (http://www.americablog.com/2007/12/bob-kerrey-falsely-tells-cnn-today-that.html, http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/12/a_madrassa_bob_kerrey_a_madras.php, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ari-melber/clinton-backer-bob-kerrey_b_77249.html) ... In fact, today (19 Dec 2007), Kerrey has apologized because of his poor political judgement (cf: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jw9LxLiKitL3w_Vmj9UvflHDyFlQD8TL2LJG0). OxfordDen (151.197.127.231 (talk) 13:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC))(Oxfordden (talk) 19:44, 20 December 2007 (UTC)) I'm not a political pundit, only one who looks for parity across the Wiki sites.(Oxfordden (talk) 19:45, 20 December 2007 (UTC))
 * Thanks for the reorganization effort in 'Endorsement of Hillary Clinton' section. It flows quite nicely ... (Oxfordden (talk) 19:48, 20 December 2007 (UTC))

70.108.88.230 (talk) 08:03, 11 February 2008 (UTC)This bio has significant problems IMO...the editors have not taken an objective standpoint and/or have very little understanding of politics in that it reads like a high school homework assignment. Just one example is the frequent refrain of Sen. Kerrey as 'liberal' which is a dead give away to be an opinion, which is not buttressed by actual signficant facts. Kerrey when he was in the Senate was generally considered moderate, sometimes even consservative leaning, but that's my opinion, you shouldn't necessarily cite that either without significant supportive facts (though these do exist)..The sources used are not ideal (Huffington post for one) and you fail to utilize better sources, I seem to recall Kerrey's written a few books. And Kerrey won the CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL OF HONOR in Vietnam, the first Member of Congress since Reconstruction to have received this award. This is a basic fact that is not appropriately related in the entry.

1993 budget vote
Kerrey became the focus of attention in 1993 when he became the key vote that would decide whether Clinton's first budget would pass or not. I can't remember what it was exactly, but it was reported that on the last day or the next-to-last day before the vote, Kerrey was still undecided, and spent the day making up his mind. It was reported that he went to the movies (what movie did he watch? This is the sort of thing people look to Wikipedia for). And liberals became very annoyed at him for a period. It was a significant moment in his career.Priceyeah (talk) 20:24, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

reverted 2 POV edits in "Massacre" section
I reverted 2 edits without submitting them here for discussion first, because I was unable to comment here from my phone and thought the page was full. I'm pretty new at this, so bear with me, ladies & gents. My explanation for the 1st revert: "POV: deleting interview and juxtaposing '...shot them.' and 'bronze star' implies a point of view, violating the spirit of the policy without accomplishing the goal of it." I believe including Kerrey's interview presents a more balanced POV than omitting it, and that, when omitted, the previous paragraph ending in "...and shot them." is juxtaposed with "Kerry was awarded the Bronze Star..." inferring lack of remorse, which doesn't seem to b the case. It was a terrible war as all wars are terrible, and it's best to remember that the survivors are often also casualties, even those physically unscathed.

The second reversion was shorter, "Regardless...," and might well be omitted, but we will actually never know what happened, and "the views of 2 do not a concensus make, esp. if one is recruited by the other, which seems entirely probable in this case..." Nuff said. What do others think? I'm very new to editing and to WK. Maybe I'm all wet. Ragityman (talk) 01:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Seems fairly reasonable. Kerrey himself claims that he thought they Vietcong that fired at him were adults and turned out to be kids. The communist propaganda from Hanoi claims he deliberately slaughtered old men and little kids. -User:DanTD (talk) 05:37, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Preamble should mention Thanh Phong raid. Also, reports from another SEAL conflict with Kerrey's and should be mentioned.
I was very surprised to discover that the summary of Bob Kerrey's life at the beginning of this Wikipedia article does not mention his part in the Thanh Phong raid. Of course, this is a controversial and emotional subject, but it should be alluded to here, not just in the main body. After all, the Thanh Phong raid section forms a significant part of this article, the description of the events is his own, and it is the main reason why Bob Kerrey is known outside the USA.

I propose adding the following to the end of the first paragraph.

''Kerrey was commander of the notorious 1969 U.S. Navy Seal raid on Thanh Phong, Vietnam, during which at least 13 unarmed women and children were killed. ''

I am unsure about the word notorious here. If anyone has a better suggestion, let me know. If people feel this is too strong, then perhaps the following is more agreeable.

''Kerrey was commander of the notorious 1969 U.S. Navy Seal raid on Thanh Phong, Vietnam. "

In the section on the Thanh Phong raid, it should be mentioned that another member of the SEAL team, Gerhard Klann, disputes Kerrey's description of the events and instead insists that the unit rounded up the civilians and killed them to aid their escape. I propose to add the following to the section on the Thanh Phong raid, in a new paragraph immediately preceding the paragraph introducing the War Remnants Museum's description.

''Kerrey's description of the raid is disputed by Gerhard Klann, another member of the raid party, who was under Kerrey's command. Klann claims that the squad rounded up women and children from dwellings on the periphery of the hamlet and questioned them. The platoon were deep in enemy territory, and the commandos felt that if they let their captives go, enemy soldiers might be alerted to their position. After debating their options, Klann says it was finally decided to ″kill them and get out of there.″ According to Klann, the team then stood between 6 and 10 feet away and started shooting. Kerrey disputes Klann's account, stating in 1998 that ″it's not my recollection of how it happened.″ Mike Ambrose, another member of the team ″wholeheartedly″ denied Klann's claim. Despite their conflicting accounts of the event, both Kerrey and Klann remember finding the bodies of the civilians in a group. ''

Vietnamese Propaganda?
I'm curious if the display transcript at the War Remnants Museum regarding what happened at Thanh Phong should be included, or expanded upon. I feel that more corroborating evidence is needed, particularly with respect to the details of the massacre.

Having visited the War Remnants Museum myself, I wholeheartedly agree with the following quotation from the wikipedia page about the museum:

"According to one travel report, the exhibits are 'blatantly one-sided' with 'many exhibits in the museum contain[ing] a heavy dose of anti-American propaganda.' Another states that the museum is 'a no holds barred barrage of propaganda, overwrought with emotive language and typical propaganda buzzwords.'"

The display photo in question very strongly implies that Bob Kerrey ordered these atrocities (slitting the throats of the elderly and disemboweling children) or carried them out himself, and then admitted to it in 2001, while there is nothing in the rest of the wikipedia article to substantiate such statements. The NYT article discussing Thanh Phong isn't conclusive regarding who did/ordered what actions when (although Kerrey does repeatedly take responsibility for the actions of his unit as a whole), in large part because the people involved 1) wouldn't talk about it, 2) had widely divergent stories, 3) were recalling events 30 years in the past, and/or 4) likely used coping mechanisms which altered their recollection of events. The parts of the museum display most likely to elicit an intensely visceral response (disemboweling children, shooting pregnant women) are only referenced on the display. Given my experience at the museum, I would greatly prefer to see more nuance in the use of the display, or attribution from a more reputable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akrunner (talk • contribs) 23:07, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

 * I've changed "in which three children were hiding before being killed" to "in which three children allegedly hid before being killed" in the photo caption, as more arm's-length phrasing. Apart from that, I don't think we need to change too much. Our phrasing and our use of a blockquote makes it fairly clear that this is the War Remnant Museum's version and not received WP truth.  Before the bit about the museum, we've got two paragraphs that're largely given over to Kerrey's description of the event and his reaction thereto, plus a quote from Kerrey's Bronze Star citation; NPOV seems to demand some kind of account from the Vietnamese perspective. — Ammodramus (talk) 06:27, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * It is a BLP violation, and reminds me of the apocryphal story of the campaign advisor in the Deep South who urged that the opposition candidate be accused of having sex with a pig. When he was informed that there was no evidence to substantiate such a claim, the advisor objected to the rejection of the tactic, saying, "We just need to get him to deny it." The quote says Kerrey "confessed" to alleged crime, but there is no basis for that contention. It even says he was in the U.S. Army when he was in the Navy. Activist (talk) 18:24, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

The Vietnamese side of the story should be included. Kerrey is given space within the section to categorically deny all allegations made against him. The Vietnamese perspective should be allowed full expression, as well. Just because the Vietnamese narrative doesn't match up with Kerrey's does not make it propaganda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:100E:BF1C:2646:69AD:BC7A:2957:6C6F (talk) 18:12, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not the first editor to do so here, but I've already pointed out that there were major inaccuracies in the account sourced to the War Remnants Museum. The account that has come from the Museum exhibit is not from a RSS, a "reliable secondary source." Certainly if Kerrey had "confessed" to the alleged crime, there would have been reporting on it that could be included in the article. There is none, and including it is a serious BLP violation. Not by any means to dismiss the horror of that war, the SPA IP edits are without value. The location of the IP editor's address is Bedminster, New Jersey, perhaps coincidentally, the location of the Summer White House. Just after winning his election to U.S. Senate in November 1988, he sang the famous anti-war ballad, "And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda," to his supporters, including five men who had served with him in Viet Nam. Quite coincidentally, it was played on an evening news program on Memorial Day, Monday, May 25, 2020. The song captures his feelings regarding the futility of, and his disgust for, war. Activist (talk) 08:35, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Request for Comments
There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.

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