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Sam [Spade] 00:12, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Hi Sam, I'm actually arkuat, I just wanted to change my username.  Cheers, Eric Forste 07:52, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Kinetics
Hi, I stumbled upon your question (at Talk:Kinetics) about the rate of increase of the metallicity of the universe. There may be a term for this, but I would not expect it to be called 'kinetics'. The governing principles are entirely different. A chemical reaction occurs when reactant species come together, dissociate, and form some new species. The metallicity of the universe increases when stars form from gas clouds and begin to burn hydrogen at rates dictated by their respective sizes. I'll admit that you raise a thought-provoking analogy, but IMHO it's not good for anything more than idle musings. I've watchlisted this page, so if you wish to reply, you can do so right here. --Smack (talk) 23:00, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the feedback! The most relevant article that I've found so far (just recently, too) is Nucleocosmochronology, which is still quite stubby. I have updated Talk:Kinetics accordingly. Note however that increase in the effective metallicity of the universe involves distribution processes such as novae, supernovae, and the ejection of planetary nebulae. Distribution processes must be taken into account along with production processes to account for the metallicity of new stars that form. --Eric Forste 08:00, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Lately I'm trying to figure out how to present this question to the reference desk. --Eric Forste (Talk) 04:35, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Transportation etc.
((old text moved to Talk:Berkeley, California)) --Fastfission 06:55, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I started working on a rewrite of history of science and technology (the discipline) at User:Fastfission/HST, but I got side-tracked and never got back on it. Not sure if that is of any use to you, though. I'm still not sure how one ought to divide up the question about whether it is about the discipline or about the content itself, but I think there's got to be some intelligent distinction... hmm.
 * I've looked a couple times at the Japanese atomic program article and it's so far off kilter that it's hard to imagine how to get it back without scrapping most of it. Which I might just end up doing. The entire thing is based on one bogus 1946 report (the only link to which is on a conspiracy theory website) and a more recent book of dubious merit which has decided to declare the report accurate, both of which are wholly in the face of all other nuclear historiography. Even the most rigorous NPOV attempts are going to privilege the conspiracy theory with more merit than it is worth—it ought to be regulated to a paragraph or two at the end of an article on their abortive program. I might try to do that in the next few days, while I have some time.
 * I don't know a whole lot about the history of chemistry, I'm afraid, except the development of 20th century chemical conglomorates in Germany, and other 20th century stuff, but I could try to work that in somewhere there... anyway, it is nice to find someone else interested in doing the grunt work on this sort of stuff.

 * Thanks for your helpful remarks. Please don't delete User:Fastfission/HST anytime soon, because I just put it on my watchlist and I hope to give it a serious longterm stare sometime soon. --Arkuat 2005 July 8 04:32 (UTC)

Japanese atomic program
Hi. I have significantly rewritten the text, and shortened and moved all disputed reports to the end. Please have a look at the article, and also the talk page for the details of my changes, and let me know if you still feel the need for a disputed tag. Again, thank you very much for your patience. -- Chris 73 Talk 00:50, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, thanks. I'm very busy right now, but I will look over it in the next few weeks. --Eric Forste 18:19, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, perhaps that's years. I keep hoping someone from Japan will clean up that mess. --Arkuat 2005 July 8 04:45 (UTC)

Edward Hicks
Thanks for the improvements. User:Logophile

Bombay High Court
You had posted:

This an awful lot about the building, and very little about the court. Goa says that Mumbai is the judicial capital of the state of Goa because it falls under the authority of this court. What other places outside of Maharashtra fall under this court's authority? --Eric Forste 03:16, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * The Union territory of Daman and Diu also comes under the jurisdiction of the Bombay High Court. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  July 3, 2005 05:27 (UTC)

Thanks, and keep up the good work educating everyone about India. --Arkuat 2005 July 8 04:16 (UTC)

Endosymbiotic chloroplasts of eukaryotic origin in protists
Sorry about the boneheaded edits I made to Euglenozoa and Cercozoa, and thank you for reverting them so quickly. My notion of what a chloroplast is got a lot bigger after I went back and read more carefully. --Eric Forste 8 July 2005 01:00 (UTC)

 * Don't mention it. I'm glad to know someone has gotten something out of the articles. :) Josh

Joel Bean
Thanks for the note of thanks regarding Joel Bean. Logophile 07:53, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Historiography of science and technology
Sorry to not get back to you sooner on this, I've been thinking about it a bit. I think you're probably right. I was hoping that this weekend I might get a chance to add some more to those other sections but I'm not sure I'll be able to. If you'd like to move it into the main article namespace, you're welcome to. If you'd like a copy of the article I was drawing largely upon (the Dennis article cited in it), I'd be happy to forward it to you by e-mail. Just use the "E-mail this user" function and I'll reply with it back. --Fastfission 21:53, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

 * OK, thanks. I'm only going to move it if I can't restrain myself from editing it (as in adding to it).  I'll move it before I add to it.  Thanks for typing all that in! --Eric Forste 22:05, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

I made the move and shuffled it around a bit, filling in a few sketchy things. I decided that Historiography of science was probably the best title for it at the moment as it doesn't have a lot on technology in it (and I think that might be hard to incorporate to the current narrative). Thanks for lighting a fire under me. --Fastfission 22:24, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

IDRIVE

 * Ah, the magic of templates. This was added because I voted for South America, but I never voted for Lhasa (and may not have voted for whatever the current article improvement drive is now).  I hope such notices in the future will be added to this thread, and not the end of the talk page, but hey, I can always edit my own talk page after the fact. --Eric Forste (Talk) 04:27, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

The E=MC2 Barnstar

If you don't bother to, please move this barnstar to your user page. De ryc k C.  03:54, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

 * (copied from Deryck Chan's talk page) Recognition at last!  Thank you for your award.  I'll figure out where I most want to show off my very first barnstar after I've had a chance to bask in the glory for a while. --Eric Forste (talk) 04:26, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

My pleasure to receive thanks. De ryc k C.  04:38, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Mergism
(copied from Joyous's talk page) I just added merge tags to Chinese constellation and lunar mansion, and later relented, settling for adding the two articles to one another's "See also" sections. Does this mean I'm a faithless mergist, or an inclusionist who is occasionally tempted toward mergism? --Eric Forste (talk) 06:41, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

 * It means that you are thoughtful and not stuck on one path. (Now I sound like a fortune cookie).  Joyous  (talk) 14:21, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Hello
Hello back - I see you've been to the Ramallah page. I've been thinking of creating a page on the Ramallah Friends School, but need to gather some materials. Looking forward to it! Ramallite (talk) 15:19, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Uh-oh, EFI-oh
Hey EF -- I would like to take out that bit about EFI at the beginning of the article. Here's why:

1. I think I phrased it in the right way: EFI does not condemn homosexual people, but does condemn homosexual actions. I know, I know, this is total BS, but technically it is true, and it is a substantive difference. Basically, what I was trying to say there is that there is no group that has said something like "homosexuals are evil". Even EFI has not said "homosexuals are bad people", indeed, the only thing I could find explicitly about EFI and homosexuality is that thing I linked about Earlham college, and, yes, it sucks, but I think it's a stretch to call it a "condemnation of homosexual people."

Basically, OK, I don't know anybody in EFI, but I am worried that we are casting too negative a light on them.

2. If that doesn't work for you, I would suggest that we cut that sentence all together. One main reason is that I think it's important for people to have to wade through all the disclaimers first so that they can see the complexity of the issue.

All the best,

Sdedeo 09:20, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Let me add two other things: if you have any more info -- espeically web links -- on EFI and homosexuality, they would be very helpful. The other is that it seems very unlikely to me that anybody at EFI would assent to the statement "I outright condemn homosexual people". I just can't believe it. So I've changed that intro again, back. If you have evidence to the contrary, definitely add it in. Sdedeo 09:23, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Final: hi again. OK, I did some pretty intense googling, and found a really disturbing statement on EFSW (EFI's Southwest Yearly Meeting.) Apparently, homosexuality -- the whole kitten-kaboodle -- is not only condemned, but it is grounds for termination of employment. EFSW is definitely a large, mainstream, etc. etc. Man, I am surprised. I've added this info into the article, and I've decided to take out the sentence in question, leaving the specifics for later. Sdedeo 09:40, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

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Re: your comments. Thanks -- I agree. I've seen mention that some Friends groups are renaming themselves and adding the word "Evangelical" as a way to signal their opposition to gay marriage (and other causes they consider "too liberal".) I have the feeling that even EFI is fragmented about the issue of homosexuals. In particular, I find it telling that there is not one reference to "homosexual", "homosexuality" or "gay" on the EFI website, and the references to "marriage" on the site don't discuss sexuality even in a sort of coded way. My personal feeling is that everyone is kind of lying low a little and trying to chill things out, while some yearly meetings within EFI and FUM are taking a stand either way. Sdedeo 13:40, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

IDrive
Thank you for taking care of the dates on nominations while I was away.--Fenice 05:14, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks again
For your work on the protist articles. I just figured that thanking you once and lefthandedly for reverting a couple of my ill-advised edits wasn't really enough. --Eric Forste (Talk) 06:53, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you, Eric, I really do appreciate it. By the way, I wonder if you have any suggestions for what areas need the most attention, once the top-level groups are all filled in.  Also, I'm curious about user:Arkuat/Taxonomy and how much you'd like it to keep track of. Josh

I don't have any such suggestions yet, because the english wikipedia articles are better than any textbooks I have here where I live, and I'm still absorbing the former. If I have changes, I'll either make them if I'm confident, or discuss them with you if I'm not. If you have any interest in modifying User:Arkuat/Taxonomy in order to bring it into better correspondence with well-established research, that would please me, and since I try to use that thing to guide my reading (and sometimes edits) of articles about living (and extinct) taxa on our wikipedia, that is what I'd do with your contributions. But the question this brings up for me is this: where is the main namespace article for these kind of collaborative edits? And if there isn't one, what should its name be? --arkuat (talk) 05:59, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Latin America
You have voted for South America on This week's improvement drive a few weeks ago. Now Latin America is nominated. Hope you can help us again by voting for Latin America. --Fenice 08:00, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

John III of Portugal
You voted for John III of Portugal on WP:IDRIVE, but it dropped out. Due mainly to language problems it is not featured quality yet. I have renominated it at the Biography Collaboration, so it gets the attention needed to become featured quality. If you are still interested you can vote for it there.--Fenice 12:03, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Pallas
Hi Arkuat/Eric,

Concerning minor planet Pallas: it is typically depicted as non-spherical, and roughly football-shaped (N. American football, obviously). Wikipedia lists its dimensions as 570×525×482 km, which is egg-shaped rather than spherical. Ceres is the only asteroid which is known to be round. Cheers!--Firsfron 13:33, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks back :)
Hey, Eric. Thanks for taking the time to drop by my talk page and leave such a kind note regarding my work on AAVE. Yeah, Oakland was ugly. Same mentality here on Wikipedia, too -- everywhere, in fact. It just blew up there the loudest. At least there were/are some enlightened individuals who were willing to try different (and, IMO, promising) approaches to teaching African American children. Peace 2 u. deeceevoice 22:07, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

RuBisCO
 RuBisCO The current science collaboration of the week is RuBisCO. Please help improving this article to featured article standard. Last week's collaboration was Krypton fluoride laser - See how it was improved  De ryc  k C.  14:21, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Greek literature a candidate at the European Union collaboration
You have supported Greek literature at the WP:IDRIVE some time ago. I have now renominated it at the new European Union collaboration. Please consider supporting it there if you are still interested! --Fenice 13:16, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

History of science
Please consider joining the proposed History of Science Wikiproject.--ragesoss 03:35, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

New look for box headers
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Sooners

Sooners is the name given to settlers who entered the Unassigned Lands illegally in what is now the state of Oklahoma before the official start of the Land Rush of 1889. The Unassigned Lands were a part of Indian Territory that, after a lobbying campaign, were to be opened to American settlement in 1889. President Benjamin Harrison officially proclaimed the Unassigned Lands open to settlement on April 22, 1889. As people lined up around the borders of the Oklahoma District, they waited for the official opening. It was not until noon that it officially was opened to settlement. The name derived from the "sooner clause" of Proclamation 288 — Opening to Settlement Certain Lands in the Indian Territory, which stated that anyone who entered and occupied the land prior to the opening time would be denied the right to claim land.

The designation "Sooner" had a very negative connotation. While "Boomers" were merely expressing "pioneer spirit" in their desire to take and settle former Indian territory, Sooners were essentially stealing from other white settlers by cheating on the claim requirements to get better land. However, these negative connotations cooled as time passed after 1889 and land claims were settled. In 1908, the University of Oklahoma football team adopted the nickname "Sooners". The U.S. state of Oklahoma at times has been controversially nicknamed the "Sooner State" since the 1920s.

Characteristics
Sooners are not to be confused with deputy marshals, land surveyors, railroad employees, and others who were able to legally enter the territory early. Sooners who crossed into the territory illegally at night were originally also sometimes called "moonshiners" because they had entered "by the light of the moon." These Sooners would hide in ditches at night and suddenly appear to stake their claim after the land run started, hours ahead of legal settlers.

Relationship with Boomers
The term Boomer relating to Oklahoma refers to participants in the "Boomer Movement," white settlers who believed the Unassigned Lands were public property and open to anyone for settlement, not just Native American tribes. Their reasoning came from a clause in the Homestead Act of 1862, which said that any settler could claim 160 acre of public land. Some Boomers entered and were removed more than once by the United States Army.

Those who actually observed the official start of the land run and began the race for free land often found choice sections of land already occupied by Sooners or, in some cases, by Boomers. Problems with Sooners continued with each successive land run; in an 1895 land run as much as half of the available land was taken by Sooners. Litigation between legitimate land-run participants and Sooners continued well into the 20th century, and eventually the United States Department of the Interior was given ultimate authority to settle the disputes.

Sports
In 1908, the University of Oklahoma adopted "Sooners" as the nickname of its football team, after having first tried "Rough Riders" and "Boomers". Eventually, Oklahoma became known as "The Sooner State." The school fight song is titled "Boomer Sooner". The school "mascot" is a replica of a 19th-century covered wagon, called the "Sooner Schooner." When the OU football team scores the Sooner Schooner is pulled across the field by a pair of ponies named "Boomer" and "Sooner". There are a pair of costumed mascots also named "Boomer" and "Sooner".

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Talk:The O'Reilly Factor

Requested move 20 April 2017

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved (somewhat early close per WP:SNOW). No such user (talk) 12:56, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

The O'Reilly Factor → The Factor – Update article title. Name should reflect name used in the most recent television broadcast itself. Agree with rationale by, in this comment , and also agree with , in this explanation. In addition to sources suggested by and by, we also have: Bill O’Reilly’s Name Has Already Been Scrubbed From ‘The Factor’, Fox News scrubs O’Reilly’s name from ‘The Factor,’, and Bill O’Reilly’s Name Wiped From ‘The Factor’ After Fox News Parts Ways With Star. Gotta fix this so Wikipedia isn't outdated. Thanks! Sagecandor (talk) 16:41, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

 * Support, per sources suggested by and by, as well as: The Huffington Post, The Washington Post, and Deadline. Thanks! Sagecandor (talk) 16:42, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose, for all intents and purposes "The O'Reilly Factor" is over and "The Factor" is a new show which should be on its own page. --В²C ☎ 17:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Support - Per WP:NAMECHANGE (and WP:BLP and WP:NPOV if possible), change it right away. Also, AOL, Deadline, and WaPo confirm the change. --George Ho (talk) 17:48, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Switched to oppose per latest news that the series is ending soon. Man, it's fun to see the controversy while it lasted. George Ho (talk) 21:40, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

 * Oppose, as they appear to be completely different programs. It has a different name and a different host. "The Factor" appears to be a placeholder show that will only run for three days. Seahorseruler  (Talk Page) (Contribs) 18:20, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Undue weight to this new name.  The article is about the longterm significance of the series called The O'Reilly Factor.  Other than three episodes, the show was not called "The Factor" commonly.  This name change is worth noting, sure, but does not override 19 years of O'Reilly's name.  --  Wikipedical (talk) 19:13, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose – Article is about Bill's tenure as host. Plus, AOL.com says Tucker Carlson will fill the 8 p.m. slot. Corkythe hornetfan  (ping me) 19:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose – The article is about what everyone knows and will remember as the O'Reilly Factor. I agree with Wikipedical's reasoning. Caspian X  22:04, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose I would have supported the move per WP:NAMECHANGES if the show was going to continue but its last episode is to air tomorrow. WP:COMMONNAME applies and O'Reilly's 20 years at the network is more notable than the few days that the show ran without him.LM2000 (talk) 23:26, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose I agree with Wikipedical and LM2000. Grapesoda22  (✉) 23:46, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The O'Reilly Factor is the historical name of a past TV program and the article is about that past program in the same manner as the Wikipedia article The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson reflects the history of that past program. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 00:20, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The series is set to conclude tomorrow. For almost the entirely of its run, the program was called The O'Reilly Factor. As such, changing the show's name makes no sense. However, Dana Perino ought to be listed as a presenter, because O'Reilly has left the show permanently, and the show is now hosted by her (even if it is only for three days). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.239.47.13 (talk) 02:32, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Support O'Reilly has since been terminated from this network and Fox News is making continuous changes to their entire network because of it. Being that he is no longer with the network, they were right to scrub his name from the show and anywhere else within their network as well...regardless of the fact that "The Factor" will be ending its run on April 21st, 2017. Because of this, I have reflected the company's immediate changes on "The Factor's" Wikipedia page, complete with sourced material. Thank you. jmcd88 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:08, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Support The article should reflect the current name of the show, despite it being canceled on April 21st, as the network's official branding position of the show should be what is implemented. Donstony (talk) 04:50, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose It's done as of 9pm tonight; it'll forever be associated with BO'R and we're not going to use "the network's official branding position" as our guide and let them change it three days before its cancellation. They made their bath and now they have to sit in it.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 10:47, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose, it's a cut-and-dry case of WP:DUEWEIGHT. The program will always be referred to as The O'Reilly Factor in hindsight. It's a historical subject now. We can mention the new title in the lead but in no way is it the best title for the article. We go by reliable sources and consensus, not technical correctness. The current article title is the one everyone will always use for this program outside of the current 3-day stretch. Gendralman (talk) 12:25, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose The significance of this new show is widely unknown. Whether it is a continuation of the O'Reilly's show with a new host, or is just a placeholder for something completely different is way too early to call, nevertheless, changing the name of the whole article. Agith (talk) 15:38, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The new rendition of the show should get its own article. Steel1943  (talk) 16:00, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * ...If the show is even continued per recent news. Also, if this new name isn't notable, it may be wise to turn The Factor into a disambiguation page: Most, if not all, incoming links to The Factor refer to a horse. Steel1943  (talk) 17:27, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Support Wikipedia articles should use relevant and the latest credible information, especially in the names of articles. The fact is the show has been renamed, so I suggest the article is also renamed to "The Factor" with "The O'Reilly Factor" being kept as a redirect. Even if not many episodes are to be aired under that name, that is the latest name of the show prior to being canceled. trainsandtech (talk) 23:34, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose while I agree that going with the rename makes sense in most cases a 3 episode run vs a run that lasted from 1998-2017 should be an exception.--64.229.167.158 (talk) 00:51, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The 2016 Ghostbusters was retroactively renamed Ghostbusters: Answer the Call. The same thing happened to Edge of Tomorrow, which was later renamed Live. Die. Repeat. However, both films' original titles are the ones that they are best known for, and as such, the show should not be listed under its new name on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RaymondCHedges (talk • contribs) 01:47, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The series is over now, so this is now a historical article (as noted in another comment above). In a couple of years, the three-day run of this show as "The Factor" will be a mere footnote in the history of the program. Additionally, "The Factor" was in no way different from "The O'Reilly Factor" in anything but name. The two guest hosts would have been on regardless (as O'Reilly was on vacation), and their guest appearances would not have merited a new Wikipedia entry had O'Reilly remained with the network. So, just as the articles for Malcolm X and Cat Stevens identify them by their more popular names, and as movies like Star Wars that were later renamed continue on in Wikipedia under their most popular title [from the SW article: Star Wars (later retitled Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope)] this program will be remembered as The O'Reilly Factor. So, the article should be titled accordingly. Cactusframe (talk) 04:46, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Strong Support i'm going.to Strong support the vote on move 2602:306:36D5:5690:F59D:A62E:1BF9:1B67 (talk) 15:36, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose The show had an extremely limited run as "The Factor" and has been known for the past 20 years as "The O'Reilly Factor". There is no sense in renaming it to the temporary name Fox gave it during the 3-day run it had as "The Factor" -- most people may not know the show by that name. As someone else here suggested, they should be distinguished separately, like we do for The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson, and other television series like it. Pjor1 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:46, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose I would suggest a sperate article for "The Factor" if it keeps a title similar to that with the new host, as was done with e.g. The Late Late Show, and The Late Late Show with, say, Craig Ferguson as the format of the show may change with the new host making the format of O' Reillys tenure remain relevant. MilesR — MilesR (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Oppose Obviously they changed the name for 3 episodes just so they could transition to a different broadcast non abruptly. Basic understanding of how TV works. GuzzyG (talk) 23:58, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

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 * Any additional comments:

May the proposal be withdrawn please? Looks like a snow oppose to me. --George Ho (talk) 01:52, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Never mind. Seems that a couple more favor the title change. George Ho (talk) 04:53, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

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Inappropriate Lead
Per WP:LEAD and WP:UNDUE, I believe our lead is inappropriate. Over 2/3 of the lead deals with the recent news of the shows ending. I'll let others weigh in, but if we can't get an improvement I'm going to boldly remove what I view to be the violations. Surely there's more to write about this show that ran for such a long time instead of just the way it ended. Mr Ernie (talk) 13:27, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Solution is to expand the intro more. The few sentences about the termination is appropriate. Sagecandor (talk) 17:16, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Welsh Assembly Election 2007

On 1 Aug 2004, Welsh Assembly Election 2007 was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was a split decision. Failing to reach a clear consensus to delete, the article is kept for now. Rossami 05:11, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Any reason we have to keep something about an election that won't happen for another three years? - Lucky 6.9 00:16, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)  This article deals with a future event. The information in this article may be speculative in nature and subject to drastic change.
 * So we won't forget to duplicate it in 2007? Delete, as with all other predictions. Geogre 01:48, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. DannyBoy | Talk 02:05, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's quite reasonable, and entirely encyclopedic, to write about future events for which a concrete plan exists.  We have, after all, articles for stuff like 2010 Winter Olympics.  This article does not contain, nor has it ever contained, specuative predictions. -- Finlay McWalter |  Talk 03:39, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. As Finlay McWalter has pointed out, it's not the only encyclopedic, forward-looking article in Wikipedia. Another good example of one is U.S. presidential election, 2008, which has not happened yet, but there is already enough information available for it to have the beginnings of an worthy article. And for that matter, U.S. presidential election, 2004 technically hasn't happened yet either, though, granted, the campaigning is going on now.  While I agree with Geogre that Wikipedia articles about scheduled future events should emphatically not be making predictions, I am pleased to see Wikipedia being forward-looking in these cases. Kevyn 10:45, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, contains encylopedic info on the changed electoral rules etc. One problem I do see is that this election is scheduled for 2007, but (correct me if I am wrong) could take place earlier, if the assembly dissolves itself. This information could equally well be included National_Assembly_for_Wales in a subsection Elections to the Welsh Assembly or similar.--Ianb 11:25, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * As you say, Ianb. I call it a prediction because it is a prediction.  Frankly, anything set in the future is predictive.  "US General election of 2008" is speculative.  Even "US General election of 2004" is speculative, though no one would have thought so a year ago.  If a placeholder needs to remain, it should remain elsewhere, and not as a lemma for something that will only clog the space when the real event occurs and simply can't be searched for. Geogre 13:28, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * No, it's a firm schedule. Unlike the westminster parliament, the welsh parliament can't choose when its elections occur, they're on a largely fixed timetable, like the US Presidential elections. -- Finlay McWalter |  Talk 13:57, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Also propose creating a template, to be applied to articles covering major events more than 6 months in the future. (Compare  .)
 * --Benc 03:44, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like other '/delete' pages is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion or on the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.
 * Delete - This could and should be handled in other articles. Otherwise we'll get articles about campaign finance changes in 2008 (likely to be obe by then), China's reaction to the next Taiwan election (again, likely to be entirely different situation by then), or other equally useless predictions that do not need to be articles. -  Tεx  τ  urε  14:58, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * I would say to ditch this article by putting the information into the previous elections page (2003). However this is only becasue the page has a lack of any real new information, most of it would be covered by the 2003 version.  However as already stated this should then be applied to the 2008 US presidential elections and in fact any event of which there are not enough current facts to make it a worthwhile addition on it's own.  As soon as candidates are begu to be named then by all means it can be recreated (for both), until then get rid of both (that beginnings of a good article on the 2008 presidency elections is pure speculation and hypothesising until actual facts are known, not simply a list of who the author thinksa re potential candidates, that is a POV not fact). --- Hackerjack
 * Is that a "delete"? - Tεx  τ  urε  17:45, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * I think one question that could help resolve this is whether this is already an ongoing event. For example, the 2008 Olympics has already begun planning, organizing, and layout of the site- there are actual, physical events and major monetary expenditure. So, it's not just a prediction, it's an existing project. Therefor, it makes sense to have an entry for it- even if the Games never actually occur because a giant geranium sprouts up, turns carnivorous, and devours the continent, it's still notable now, for the magnitude of the project, and the debate surrounding it. Similarly, if the 2007 election is an ongoing event, consisting of more than just an occasional meeting, but has significant budget, staff, etc assigned to work on it- then it's probably worth keeping. Unfortunately, I'm not in striking distance of Cardiff, so I can't check. -FZ 18:28, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * I don't imagine the campaign trail has yet started, with the generals in 2005 or 2006 (it seems that the Labour government want to go for the former, making the start of May a likely date) taking precedence. However, it is still a perfectly valid event, and if events in 2010 can get in, then 2007 can also do it.  As stated previously, the election dates are not at the discretion of the Assembly.  Force majeure excepted, this will almost certainly happen on Thursday 3 May 2007.  Given this firm information, I would suggest keep given the potential for new information in 2005 and 2006.  Anonymous user in Cardiff 00:20, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep -- there's nothing controversial in the article, and the election appears in the Electoral Commissions' timetable of upcoming UK elections. Barring unexpected catastrophe, this election will take place within one month of the fourth anniversary of the last election in 2003. -- Arwel 12:11, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)


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Margarethe von Trotta

Margarethe von Trotta (born 21 February 1942, Berlin, Germany) is a German film director, screenwriter, and actress. She has been referred to as a "leading force" of the New German Cinema movement. Von Trotta's extensive body of work has won awards internationally. She was married to and collaborated with director Volker Schlöndorff. Although they made a successful team, von Trotta felt she was seen as secondary to Schlöndorff. Subsequently, she established a solo career for herself and became "Germany's foremost female film director, who has offered the most sustained and successful female variant of Autorenkino in postwar German film history". Certain aspects of von Trotta's work have been compared to Ingmar Bergman's features from the 1960s and 1970s.

Von Trotta has been called "the world's leading feminist filmmaker". The predominant aim of her films is to create new representations of women. Her films are concerned with relationships between and among women (sisters, best friends, etc.), as well as with relationships between women and men, and include political settings. Nevertheless, she rejects the suggestion that she makes "women's films".

She is a recipient of one Golden Lion at Venice Film Festival, two David di Donatello Awards, Gold Hugo Award at Chicago International Film Festival, Lifetime Achievement Award at European Film Award, Lifetime Achievement Award at German Film Awards, two Palme d'Or nominations at Cannes Film Festival, and numerous other awards and nominations.

Early life
The child of Elisabeth von Trotta and painter Alfred Roloff, Margarethe von Trotta was born in Berlin. She and her mother moved to Düsseldorf after the end of World War II. Von Trotta shared a strong bond with her mother in the absence of her father. She has spoken about how her relationship with her mother gave her a sensitivity for friendships and solidarity between women, a theme that is seen in most of her films.

Career
Von Trotta relocated to Paris in the 1960s, where she worked for film collectives, collaborating on scripts and co-directing short films.

In her early career, von Trotta was an actress, appearing in the early films of directors Rainer Werner Fassbinder and Volker Schlöndorff. In one of many interviews, von Trotta said: "I came from Germany before the New Wave, so we had all these silly movies. Cinema for me was entertainment, but it was not art. When I came to Paris, I saw several films of Ingmar Bergman, and all of the sudden I understood what cinema could be. I saw the films of Alfred Hitchcock and the French Nouvelle Vague. I stood there and said, 'that is what I'd like to do with my life.' But that was 1962, and you couldn't think that a woman could be a director. In a way, as an unconscious act, I started acting and when the New German films started, I tried to get in through acting." Through her acting career, von Trotta was able to create an initial name for herself before becoming a director.

Her first input on a film, before making a solo-career out of it, was on Volker Schlöndorff's The Sudden Wealth of the Poor People of Kombach(1971), which she also acted in. In 1975, they proceeded to co-write and co-direct The Lost Honor of Katharina Blum (Die verlorene Ehre der Katharina Blum) which was based on an adaptation of Heinrich Böll's novel that dealt with "political repression in the Federal Republic". Within this first film of von Trotta's, one can see the conflict "between the personal and the public" that resonates throughout her early film career. The female characters within the story must occupy suffocating spaces that von Trotta uses to represent the confinement that women are subjected to in a world run by men. Von Trotta was in charge of supervising the performance aspect while Schlöndorff dealt with the film's mechanics. As a director, he was not considered to be very audacious, while von Trotta's strong suit was in how she directed the film's actors "through whom she creates her story". Thus the two were able to complement each other. Their film was considered to be "the most successful German film of the mid-1970s". The couple collaborated on one more film, Coup de Grâce (1976), where von Trotta helped to write but not direct the work, before she branched off into her own career.

Trotta's first solo film was The Second Awakening of Christa Klages (Das zweite Erwachen der Christa Klages) in 1978, which focused on "a young woman's political radicalization." This film presented multiple subjects that von Trotta's films would be known for in the future: "female bonding, sisterhood, and the uses and effects of violence". The film's script used real-life information about the seizure of school teacher Margit Czenki from Munich.

Throughout her years of filmmaking, von Trotta has addressed many points of special concern to women: "abortion, contraception, the situation of women at work, spousal abuse, and [the] traditional female role".

In 2001 she was the president of the jury at the 23rd Moscow International Film Festival.

She is a professor of film at the European Graduate School in Saas-Fee and remains an important personality of German cinema.

The Sister Films
Margarethe von Trotta's second feature film was Sisters, or the Balance of Happiness (Schwestern oder die Balance des Glücks, 1979). Unintentionally, she created a "trilogy of sister films" with her succeeding works: Marianne and Juliane (Die Bleierne Zeit, 1981) and Three Sisters (Fürchten und Lieben, 1988). Barbara Quart, author of the book Women Directors, commented on the three works: "It is the quest for wholeness that is the preoccupation of von Trotta's entire sister series." The women in these films are born into a traditional time (late 1940s and '50s), but they reject the positions that society has established for women. As well, the topic of suicide plays an important role in the first two films and how the live sister connects to the dead one. These three films investigate sisterhood and their bonds within a world that is falling apart all around them; this matter places von Trotta's work into New German Cinema.

Sisters, or The Balance of Happiness delves into bonds, both physically and mentally, between sisters Maria and Anna, along with a third party. The siblings are close before Anna commits suicide, but hidden behind her facial expressions is a desire to escape this feeling of frustration between following what she wants and what Maria asks of her. Maria faces post suicide trauma, coping with her devastation by transplanting the memory of her sister onto her co-worker, Miriam. This ultimately leads Maria to deal with her inner issues so she can try to move on with her life in a peaceful manner. This film garnered the Grand Prix Award at Créteil International Women's Film Festival in 1981.

Marianne and Juliane (also known in English as The German Sisters) (1981) also deals with losing a sister and learning how to handle the grief. Marianne and Juliane grow much closer after Marianne is put behind bars for her radical, terrorist activities. After unexpected news of Marianne's death, Juliane becomes obsessed with finding out the truth behind the supposed suicide, which she does not believe to be true. The characters are based on the real-life Christiane and Gudrun Ensslin, which made "feminist critics" give extra notice to this work in comparison to all other films that von Trotta has done. Critics question the way von Trotta structured the plot and why she positioned it from that of Christiane's character, Juliane, instead of from Gudrun (Marianne). The film is characterized by the use of multiple flashback sequences, jumping between present day to childhood and everywhere in between, breaking any chance of a linear structure. In this film, it is predominantly the Nazi era that influences Marianne and Juliane, albeit in different ways. A theme within Marianne and Juliane that von Trotta uses throughout her works is that of "the personal is political". In Marianne's jail cell, the sisters come to terms with "their personal and political differences". One take on this theme is that Marianne's personal past has fostered her political, terrorist present. In the story's present day, her political actions effect her personal life: she is sentenced to prison and dies in her cell, her husband takes his own life, and her son is put in danger. Not surprisingly, this film was the subject of much debate from conservatives who believed that Marianne's character as a terrorist was given too much understanding. This film won the AGIS Award, FIPRESCI Prize, Golden Lion Award, New Cinema Award, and OCIC Award at the Venice Film Festival in 1981, along with a few more listed in the awards section. Von Trotta winning the Golden Lion was a true achievement for women in film, for an honor of this stature had not been awarded to a female director since Leni Reifenstahl received "the Mussolini Cup" in 1938 for Olympia. In 1994 Ingmar Bergman listed it as one of his favorite 11 films of all time.

Love and Fear or Paura e amore (in Italy), also known as Trois Soeurs (in France) or Three Sisters (1988) – von Trotta's sixth feature-length film – focuses on a set of three sisters: Olga, Masha, and Irina. It is through these females that von Trotta is able to present her opinions concerning the stature of females in society and the traditional politics of the time that play a role in shaping their lives. Once again, this film deals with sisters who yearn for significance in all aspects of their lives (Rueschmann, 168). Their constant quest for love is the way they cope with the unfavorable aspects of life. Compared to the other two preceding films in the "sister series", Love and Fear contains key melodramatic elements that focus on one's feelings and anguish. It does not address politics as heavily as the other films, but more on von Trotta's take of the distinction between men and women in society. This film was nominated for the Palme d'Or Award at the Cannes Film Festival in 1988.

Sheer Madness
Sheer Madness (Heller Wahn, 1983), one of von Trotta's popular feature films, also uses suicide as an important part of the storyline. An analysis on the film given by authors Susan Linville and Kent Casper reads: "suicidal states of mind may stem not from negative distortions of external reality, but from an accurate assessment of the way things are." Within this story, once again, women's feelings are investigated through the friendship between two females, Ruth and Olga. This film gave the impression that, supposedly, von Trotta was a "man-hater." Von Trotta won the OCIC Award-Honorable Mention at the Berlin International Film Festival in the Forum of New Cinema for Sheer Madness in 1983. This film was also nominated for the Golden Bear at the Berlin International Film Festival in the same year.

Rosa Luxemburg
Von Trotta's 1986 eponymous film about the feminist and marxist socialist Rosa Luxemburg examines both her "life as a public revolutionary and her private experience as a woman". Barbara Sukowa, who stars in several of von Trotta's films, won the Best Actress honors at Cannes in 1986 for her delivery of the main role. Through her cinematic vision, von Trotta returns to the theme of "the political and the personal", giving fair attention to both Luxemburg's personal life as a female in society and her political life as a "public revolutionary". Rosa Luxemburg was nominated for the Palme d'Or at Cannes Film Festival in 1986. This film won the Guild Film Award-Gold at the Guild of German Art House Cinemas in German Film in 1987.

Rosenstrasse
Looking forward to some of von Trotta's more contemporary films, this same idea of female bonds and their emotions is still center stage, such as in her piece from 2003, Rosenstrasse. The film uses melodramatic elements, like in Paura e amore (1988), to express the emotions of the characters. The difference here is that Rosenstrasse is a "maternal melodrama." There are three overlapping familial connections involving "mother-daughter relationships" within the story: "the bond between Hannah, a first-generation Jewish American, and her mother Ruth"; "the...mother-daughter bond between Ruth and her Jewish mother Miriam"; "and...the central relationship between surrogate mother Lena von Eschenbach/Fisher and Ruth." In this, the definition of a mother is stretched from the "biological" standpoint to the "symbolic."

Vision
The film Vision (2009) chronicles the true tale of Hildegard von Bingen, a nun who stands for another of von Trotta's independent women protagonists—one who fights the patriarchal society of the church by foregoing the established rules of conduct and, upon learning one of her fellow sisters is with child, asks for a different area for the nuns to call their own. In an interview between von Trotta and Damon Smith from Filmmaker Magazine, von Trotta explains her choice for the subject of her film: "When I'm searching for a woman in the very distant past, I look for a woman who is in a way near to my own vision...I am always attracted by a woman who has to fight for her own life and her own reality, who has to get out of a certain situation of imprisonment, to free [herself]. That is perhaps the main theme in all my films."

Again, a deep bond is witnessed in this story, as in the rest of von Trotta's films, between Hildegard and a young nun, Richardis. Continuing with the interview, von Trotta says, "It's not a lesbian love! At one point she [Hildegard] says, ‘She is my mother and I'm her mother, I'm her daughter and she's my daughter.’ Hildegard couldn't have children, so in a way Richardis is her daughter and friend and mother [all at once]; it's a very deep love."

Von Trotta wanted to make a film with a female protagonist that viewers could relate to instead of looking at her from below, as she clarifies in an interview with Zeitgeist Films:
 * The figures that appeal to me are always strong women who also have moments of weakness; therefore, I never try to make heroines out of them. Instead I show how they fought to find their own way, how they put themselves out there, and how much they had to swallow in order to find themselves. I am fascinated by how they overcome obstacles in order to achieve their goals. Hildegard von Bingen had a dream of founding her own abbey, and she suffered a lot of setbacks in the process. The moments of her greatest weakness are when the nun Richardis is to be taken away from her. In this situation, she behaves either like a small, abandoned child, or with fury. This conduct is all recorded in her letters. And it is precisely these moments of extreme self-abandonment that I find so beautiful, surprising, and contradictory. Hildegard von Bingen demands for herself what she usually gives to others. I absolutely did not want to portray her as a saint.

Hannah Arendt
Hannah Arendt (2012) portrays an important segment in the life of the German-Jewish academic Hannah Arendt. In an interview with Thilo Wydra, von Trotta is asked if Arendt is similar to the women she has portrayed in past films. Von Trotta replies with an explanation about how real-life characters from her past films, Rosa Luxemburg and Die bleierne Zeit (Marianne and Juliane), fought and died for causes they found to be right: Luxemburg wanted more equality in her community, and Gudrun Ensslin (Marianne) wanted to revolutionize humanity. Von Trotta says, "Hannah Arendt is a woman who fits into my personal mold of historically important women that I have portrayed in my films. ‘I want to understand,’ was one of her guiding principles.  I feel that applies to myself and my films as well.

Television work
The common problem that filmmakers run into is budget issues and where they get their funds; during the mid-eighties, many films went under due to money cuts by the "German subvention system." Several of von Trotta's fellow women filmmakers took the safe route and went into the education field in media. But not Margarethe von Trotta—to stay in the game, she accepted proposals for TV pieces, even if it meant losing a bit of her artistic allowances. Her first piece for television was Winterkind (1997), which was the first time she did not compose the screenplay for a work she was directing. She followed this with three more TV films: At Fifty Men Kiss Differently (1997), Days of Darkness (1999 film) (1997), and Anniversaries (miniseries) (2000). Through her experience of working in television, von Trotta learned how to try to hold on to her stamp as an "independent filmmaker" in terms of keeping her artistic approach.

Personal life
In 1964, von Trotta married Jürgen Moeller and had one son, German documentary director Felix Moeller. They divorced in 1968 and von Trotta married German filmmaker Volker Schlöndorff. Together, they raised Felix and worked together on film projects.

Von Trotta and Schlöndorff's film collaboration in Germany during the politically turbulent 1970s is documented in Felix's 2018 film Sympathisanten: Unser Deutscher Herbst ("Sympathizers: our German Autumn").

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Sir George Williams University

Sir George Williams University was a university in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. It merged with Loyola College to create Concordia University on August 24, 1974.

History
In 1851, the first YMCA in North America was established on Sainte-Hélène Street in Old Montreal. Beginning in 1873, the YMCA offered evening classes to allow working people in the English-speaking community to pursue their education while working during the day. Sixty years later, the Montreal YMCA relocated to its current location on Stanley Street in Downtown Montreal.

In 1926, the education program at the YMCA was re-organized as Sir George Williams College, named after George Williams, founder of the original YMCA in London, upon which the Montreal YMCA was based. In 1934, Sir George Williams College offered the first undergraduate credit course in adult education in Canada.

Sir George Williams College received its university charter from the provincial government in 1948, though it remained the education arm of the Montreal YMCA. Sir George Williams expanded into its first standalone building, the Norris Building, in 1956. In 1959, the college requested that the Quebec legislature amend its university charter, changing its name to Sir George Williams University. It established a Centre for Human Relations and Community Studies in 1963. Sir George Williams continued to hold classes in the YMCA building until the construction of the Henry F. Hall Building in 1966.

Following several years of discussions and planning, Sir George Williams University merged with Loyola College to create Concordia University in 1974. Concordia provided students with representative student organizations and greater power over administrative decisions at the university.

Sir George Williams Computer Centre Incident
The university gained international attention in 1969, when a group of Black students occupied the Henry F. Hall Building's 9th floor computer lab to protest alleged racism by the university. This protest was documented in the 2015 film The Ninth Floor by director Mina Shum.

Sir George Williams Georgians
The Sir George Williams Georgians were the Canadian Interuniversity Athletics Union teams that represented Sir George Williams University.

Shortly after Sir George Williams merged with Loyola College to create Concordia University in 1974, the Georgians and the Loyola Warriors were replaced by the Concordia Stingers.

Alumni

 * Bob Berry (born 1943), NHL player
 * Gundega Cenne (1933–2009), artist
 * John Alton Collins (1917–2007), political cartoonist
 * Robert Dean (1927–2021), Canadian politician
 * Rosie Douglas (1941–2000), Prime Minister of Dominica
 * Stuart McLean (1948–2017), author, storyteller, Canadian radio broadcaster
 * E. Annie Proulx (born 1935), novelist, short story writer, journalist
 * Nachum Eliezer Rabinovitch, rabbi and author (1928–2020)
 * Mordecai Richler (1931–2001), author
 * Bernie Wolfe (born 1951), NHL player

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Gospel of the Egyptians

The Gospel of the Egyptians is the name given to two completely separate works wholly independent of each other.

 * The Coptic Gospel of the Egyptians, focusing on the gnostic interpretation of the biblical Seth
 * The Greek Gospel of the Egyptians, a dialog conversation concerning the merits of celibacy

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Aviation light signals

In the case of a radio failure or aircraft not equipped with a radio, or in the case of a deaf pilot, air traffic control may use a signal lamp (called a "signal light gun" or "light gun" by the FAA ) to direct the aircraft. ICAO regulations require air traffic control towers to possess such signal lamps. The signal lamp has a focused bright beam and is capable of emitting three different colors: red, white and green. These colors may be flashed or steady, and have different meanings to aircraft in flight or on the ground. Planes can acknowledge the instruction by rocking their wings, moving the ailerons if on the ground, or by flashing their landing or navigation lights during hours of darkness. Air traffic control signal light guns are typically specified with a (white) center beam brightness of > 180,000 - 200,000 candela,  and are visible for roughly 4 miles in clear daylight conditions. The table below describes the meaning of the signals. The use of handheld combination red/green/white signal lamps for air traffic control dates back to at least the 1930s.

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Cough syrup
''There is some suggestion, unsubstiantated, that certain ingredients of cough syrup may help cause micropsia. ''

Your damn right it does. Anyone who has ever taken a high dose of Dextromethorphan knows that it can cause visual distortions which may make objects seem smaller, or bigger. Of course these are effects from taking doses of Dextromethorphan that are far out of the medical dosing range. --Arm

 * That's funny, because yesterday I just experienced this after taking a dose of cough syrup. I wonder if it was just a coincidence. I've also had this happened to me many times in the past. Aurora sword (talk) 04:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

"Micropsia does not only affect visual perception, but also one's hearing, sense of touch, and sometimes one's own body image; the syndrome continues even when the eyes are closed."

So... if I'm interpreting this correctly, it means you can feel like different body parts are bigger are smaller? I have this happen to me sometimes while I'm lying in bed trying to sleep. It's not a visual thing... if, for example, I feel as if my hand is small, I can pull it out and look at it and it looks normal to me, but it still feels that way. I'm just wondering if this is what this part of the article is referring to, as I'm not sure if these symptoms come from AIWS or not, and I'd like to find out for sure since my mother doesn't seem to believe me when I tell her I've experienced AIWS many times before. (Hope I don't sound crazy or anything... don't worry, I'm not.) Shivers 23:03, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that you are correct. Try to see if you can find descriptions of micropsia or AIW in PubMed. Not that AIW is necessarily a disease, but the medical literature might have info and stories. Jclerman 20:21, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

WHY ARE THERE TWO ARTICLES OF THE SAME NAME?? THERE IS A SECOUND ARTILCE TITLED THE ALICE IN WONDERLAND SYNDROME, WHY IS THAT ?? P.S. THE SECOUND PAGE SEEMS TO MORE INFORMATIVE THAT THIS ONE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.164.156.17 (talk) 00:18, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING??????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.228.185.209 (talk) 21:16, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Alice in Wonderland Syndrome is a general term.
Alice in Woderland Syndrome is neurologica condition, encompassing, micropsia (ethimologically "small sight"), macropsia ("big sight), distorsion of body parts and of time.

There are nevertheless ophtalmologic causes to micropsia, like macular or corneal oedema http://www.springerlink.com/index/X22427718J127L83.pdf, http://pn.bmj.com/cgi/reprint/3/3/178-a

It looks like this article is based on, and written by someone who had little understanding of the subject at hand, and did little research past summarizing this confused web page.

5 min later: I edited out the mix between AiWLS and micropsia, and creeated a micropsia article.Zorbid (talk) 11:12, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Lilliputian hallucinations/Delirium Tremens
Lilliputian hallucinations, a psychological symptom of Delirium tremens. However, there is no mention of delirium tremens here. (Glossary_of_psychiatry does mention lilliputian hallucinations in the context of delirium tremens, but only as a brief definition of the term) Could someone add a mention to this? Ged3000 (talk) 19:40, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

 * I've added a brief comment at signs and symptoms and provided a reference. Regards, CycloneNimrod  Talk? 20:15, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I really don't think there is any classical link between Lilliputian hallucinations and DT's, despite the case report. Instead, lilliputian hallucinations are part of peduncular hallucinosis, or Lhermitte's hallucinosis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.197.116.253 (talk) 12:43, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Not linked with age?
I could have sworn this also happens sometimes in children around the ages of 4-8 or so, and then goes away as they get older. Actually I thought that was the one of the more common ways people have it.--75.95.95.227 (talk) 06:23, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

 * I read in an old issue of Annals In Pediatrics that this syndrome occurs mainly in younger children, around the ages you mentioned.  This has been the case in my experience, although I diagnosed it once in a 16-year-old girl.--Beezer137 (talk) 23:16, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Some years ago I got an email from a narcoleptic subject, college student, that under severa emotional stress developed AIW acutely and transitorily. In particular, she went for a drive and saw the little beings in front of the car. I've had one or two AIW during dreams. Jclerman (talk) 01:52, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

The article used to refer to childhood, but much of the original text was lost during a re-write – I think it needs to be merged back in! http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alice_in_Wonderland_syndrome&oldid=199910121 — Lee J Haywood (talk) 10:27, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Removal of prognosis section
It read "Alice in Wonderland Syndrome is usually short lived and does not require any immediate treatment. Treating the underlying cause (usually migraines) results in the syndrome disappearing."

It's unsourced and lacks factual accuracy imo but also could lead those who come to wikipedia (wrongly) for medical advice to think there is no reason to see their G.P. AIWS could be a sign of infection by EBV.

Perhaps a causes section would be more useful than a prognosis section for what is a transitory perception disorder? Cheers, Nk.sheridan   Talk  22:18, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I know of people who have had AIW syndrome for years, into midlife.

One problem: under signs and symptoms, first paragraph, you have "The hallmark sign of AIWS is a migraine, and may in part be caused the by symptom itself." If I'm understanding correctly what you're saying, that migraine is a symptom - you are incorrect. Migraine is an illness, not a symptom. AIWS may actually be an aura which is followed by a migraine. In any case, migraine should not be called a symptom.

Another problem: Same paragraph. You say "although mostly limited tot he eyes, AIWS ..... Then later you say "The most prominent and often most disturbing symptom is that of altered body image" Then in the following paragraph you say "the second major symptom is the the distorion of visual perception." you are contradicting yourself.

Another problem: Under diagnosis:  "mechanical change to the body's systems"  Mechanical is not the correct word to use. I would suggest using "physiologic"

Last one: Same paragraph: I would remove the comma following "presumed when other,"

It's a fascinating syndrome. I suffer/suffered from it myself. I know quite a bit about it. I hope you took this criticism to be constructive. --Julcal (talk) 00:55, 6 April 2009 (UTC)julcal

One more thing - the treatment section is way out-dated - AWIS is treated like most migraines are treated. Check out the migraine page on Wiki. LSD??? can you document that? --Julcal (talk) 00:57, 6 April 2009 (UTC)julcal
 * Please note you shouldn't refer to us as "you", as it wasn't a single person who wrote this article. You have acknowledged some mistakes, perhaps you could fix them? Cyclonenim :  Chat 11:58, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, please use the word "yous" or "y'all". Also, Cyclonenim, perhaps since Julcal made you aware of the errors, you could, rather than acknowledging that he could fix them, fix them yourself? ;) Just kidding mate,--74.166.60.24 (talk) 02:29, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

You can edit the article yourself by going to the edit section from the article if you are so critical of them.(talk) 02:42, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

so i'm 20 years old and i'm still suffering from AIWS, it causes me to see a room bigger, people look either larger or smaller, my sense of touch, sight and hearing are all altered. and if i fall asleep when this is happening, i'll have a reacuring dream. (btw, it's not a pleasent one, and very hard to describe). i've been told that it should have stopped happening years ago but, me and my sister both still experince it. (she's 17) is it possible that it could continue to happen for the rest of ower lives? jacob and amanda mosley —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.177.6.195 (talk) 02:26, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I did suffer from this
When i was a kid and a teen I often had the sensation of things became big and small and big in a fast cycle for 5 or 10 minutes stopping suddenly as it came. I didnot remember anything that provoked it, and i never feared it, because I kwew it would stop, nor headache. Of course i tried to sit down but sometimes I walked, it was funny. I also had strage sensations when i fall asleep, sometimes i awaked with the sensation that i was not breathing, or sometimes I awaked but i can't move, sometime i had the sensation my body was flying but i couldnt move. I hadn't sufferend those cycles of macropsia/micropsia any more since long time ago but flying sensation happens to me time after time when I'm pretty stressed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.179.143.198 (talk) 10:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I have AIW at 15. I actually find it quite fun, although I do get frequent headaches. If feels funny. 76.100.244.127 (talk) 20:12, 30 January 2010 (UTC)Jameson

I too at 14 frequently suffer from this, also at age 15(my second name is Todd to which is quite a coincidence) and find it is often provoked when I sit in a dark room for around 10 to 30 minutes, mostly when im trying to sleep and have my eyes closed. I have however found a technique for dealing with it; basically when looking at a deformed object wether it be shrinking, growing or cycling attempt to directly show your brain what the size of the object is. the best way to do this is by measuring the object with a device that clearly displays measurements. say a box that you know to be 10cm wide appears to be alot larger, hold a ruler up to the box and show yourself that it measures 10cm and run your eyes up and down the ruler and it should at least temporaraly shrink back to normal. This works for me sometimes and I would like to hear how it works for others.--93.96.16.14 (talk) 18:14, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I find this rather strange. I often experienced AIWS symptoms, but forgot about it until today, when a friend refered to this article. I used to experience it while busy on my cellphone in a darkish room. first my head would feel fuzzy and sounds get distorted. My hands and cellphone would look and feel as if it were further away from my body. Lastly my mouth would start to feel dry. I never had headACHES and the only way I could stop it, was by going to sleep. It is strange that I simply forgot about it as if it were all just a dream. Honestly, when thinking about it now, it still feels like a dream. Trivialties (talk) 17:11, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

--I also suffer from AIWS. There is mention of a migraine diet in this entry. First of all, I know there are foods that are frequently associated with migraine, but not everyone has food triggers, so diet is not a treatment, but a form of prophylaxis for some people. Secondly, I have never actually heard of "the migraine diet." Does someone have any substantiation for this diet? Because based on my knowledge, which is pretty thorough for a lay person, there is no such thing as "the migraine diet," just dietary triggers specific to individuals. I am not going to edit this on the off chance that someone can come up with documentation for a diet. Given I would have to prove a negative, I don't think I can authoritatively edit it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.4.96.216 (talk) 06:47, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

The 'Signs and Symptoms' section appears to have been mostly copied+pasted from my site aiws.info --Rikkus (talk) 09:41, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

-- I suffered from it when I was a kid, around 6 I guess. Sometimes, when I was falling asleep I got that wierd sensation in my head and I knew that when I open my eyes and look at my hand, it will appear very small and far away. As when you look through binocular the opposite way. It was funny and I kind of liked it, and I was trying to explain it to mom, but she didnt believe it..which I totally understand :). I aslo suffer from headaches since 6 so maybe it's related. However, Alice syndrome dissapeared when i got older. Headaches did not :( — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.74.235.196 (talk) 03:22, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

From WP:TALKPOV: "Stay on topic: Talk pages are for discussing the article, not for general conversation about the article's subject (much less other subjects). Keep discussions focused on how to improve the article. Comments that are plainly irrelevant are subject to archiving or removal." Ormewood (talk) 22:51, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Delirium
Isn't it a kind of delirium? E.g. caused by infection.217.114.191.154 (talk) 19:50, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

References removed from main page
Two references that were not being used, moved here. - 203.158.37.9 (talk) 22:32, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

 * Kew, J., Wright, A., & Halligan, P.W. (1998). Somesthetic aura: The experience of "Alice in Wonderland", The Lancet, 351, p. 1934
 * Kew, J., Wright, A., & Halligan, P.W. (1998). Somesthetic aura: The experience of "Alice in Wonderland", The Lancet, 351, p. 1934

How trustworthy is source 15?
Seriously, no 17-year-old that i have ever met talks like the quote referred to in source 15. if a medical professional has paraphrased the 17-year-old then fair enough but it should not be in quotation marks. i read the source that it came from and there are several odd grammatical errors in it such as "a 20-years old male" - this suggests to me that despite its appearance of a legitimate and respectable website, it may not be. 2.24.142.38 (talk) 15:49, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Unclear
In the first paragraph I'm not sure what this means: "Size distortion may occur of other sensory modalities." If I can't understand it the same is probably true for others. Best Regards, Barbara (WVS) ✐ ✉  21:02, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

 * Yes, that is oddly phrased. They may mean distorted proprioception, where parts of the body become rubbery and seem to shrink or expand.2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:9994:CCF2:8340:3E40 (talk) 12:22, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Hypnagogic phenomenon
It definitely is, and hypnagogia is heightened by fatigue, that is also true.2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:9994:CCF2:8340:3E40 (talk) 12:20, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Proposed Edits
Hello. I am currently assigned to this article for a class and I will be editing it within the next few days. It looks like there is a lot of good information here, but the article seems to have gotten a bit disorganized over the course of editing. Using the Asperger Syndrome article for reference, I intend to streamline this article's subheadings and generally format it more closely to Wikipedia's manual of style for medical articles. For now, I'll just be altering the heading names, with more substantial edits later on if these heading changes are acceptable. Best regards, OKtamu (talk) 15:13, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Moving sections
The literary references felt a bit out of place under the causes section. I moved it to the Society and Culture section for now, but I'm open to adjustments to this if there is a better option for placement. Best regards, OKtamu (talk) 16:42, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Reorganizing Signs and Symptoms
The signs and symptoms section has some good information, but it seems a little scattered. On that note, I'm going to create several subsections to organize the various symptoms a little better and separate them from other general information in that paragraph. Best regards, OKtamu (talk) 16:46, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Continued edits
Earlier on the talk page, a few people seemed confused by the wording of the lead. I will be revising this section for clarity to the best of my ability. I will also be revising the signs and symptoms section, as this section seems to repeat the same information at different points. If anyone thinks these edits need to be altered or corrected, I'll be linking the old version of the page below. Best regards, OKtamu (talk) 15:24, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Here is the link for the old page https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alice_in_Wonderland_syndrome&oldid=945865451 Best regards, OKtamu (talk) 18:44, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Final Edits
To the best of my ability, I have finished going over the entire article sentence by sentence for general grammar, flow, and tone. This was completed in two separate edits, and I will link the previous version of the article here if anyone thinks my edits need to be revised or previous wording needs to be retrieved. The link is here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alice_in_Wonderland_syndrome&oldid=946200601 Best regards, OKtamu (talk) 15:08, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

The Prognosis section contradicts an indented upper section in claiming the duration of hallucinations last from 10 seconds to 10 minutes, while above it says from 20 to 50 minutes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluespapa (talk • contribs) 07:20, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Foundations II 2020 group 1 proposed edits
Hi there, also currently assigned this article for a class and will be updating and proposing edits in this area.

[ ] Complete any missing citations [ ] Medications & diet referenced for treatment [ ] Expand s/s section [ ] Expand P1 last sentence to guide what article will cover CA & MH 7/28 — Preceding unsigned comment added by CAngerman (talk • contribs) 21:33, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Heads up on a good source for expanding this article
Hello,

I'm pretty much new at doing anything on Wiki but I wanted to let anyone interested in this subject know that there's now a pretty comprehensive source available about Alice in Wonderland syndrome. It's the book "Alice in wonderland syndrome" by Dutch professor Jan Dirk Blom, from Leiden University.

https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9783030186081

I have a copy of this book. It has a good overview of the things that can happen to someone suffering from this condition, and it talks about some real life cases too, even featuring a patient describing an episode in detail. Essentially, it's a summary of everything that's currently known about AIWS.

Sasbom (talk) 15:40, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Foundations II 2021 Group 1 proposed edits
-Consolidate and expand on symptoms from different sections under Section 1 Signs and Symptoms -Complete missing citations -Expand on Treatment section with medications and diet -Add to the Diagnosis section and restructure for better flow -Add a Classification section regarding a common classification for AIWs and AIWS-like symptoms found in literature -Add citations for and reorganize Prognosis section to improve tone and writing style ReevA.LUating (talk) 21:56, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Goals
The group's edits have significantly improved the article, with the addition of sections (ex: anatomical reaction), and the extra details added to the treatment and prognosis sections. The overall goals for improvement were met since a substantial amount of information was added and the article is more well rounded than it was prior to being edited. The edits are mostly all written with a neutral point of view since I cannot guess the perspective of the author by reading their writing. The second half of the sentence in the Causes section "Because Alice in Wonderland syndrome is not commonly diagnosed and documented, it is difficult to estimate what the main causes, if any, are." has a little perspective in it, and could be edited by taking out the "if any, are". Yubmoon (talk) 16:08, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

The group has improved the article by accomplishing their goals in expanding on multiple sections of the article as well as adding additional sections. The group also achieved their overall goal of restructuring the article to have a better flow while reading it. The anatomical section stood out to me because as someone who has not heard about this syndrome, it was informative yet an easy read. The edits did reflect language that supported diversity, equity, and inclusion. The language was not directed towards a specific population but instead had an informative and neutral tone focused on conveying facts and information. Gcocos (talk) 21:56, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

The group's edits are consistent with the Wikipedia manual of style. The font they used is consistent throughout the whole article and they used proper fonts for the titles as well. The group made a lot of grammatical and content editing which made the article more wholesome and easier to read for the Wikipedians. I would recommend adding hyperlinks to some of the new medical conditions added to the infectious disease section so readers can have a quick reference when reading and for ease of understanding. Overall, I think the article is well-formatted and is in line with the Wikipedia manual of style. Y.Gebrehiwet (talk) 22:07, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

The article has been improved by the group with the addition of classifications and anatomical reaction sections and expanding on the contents. All goals of improvement have been met by the group. The article has a clear structure and a good flow of presenting the information and knowledge. I would recommend combining the duplicated citations like 7 & 9, 14&49, and 44-48. References 41 and 42 are citing google scholar search pages and 42 is taking me to a course syllabus. I would suggest citing the source the group was referring to. Otherwise, the points included are verifiable with cited secondary sources and are freely available.Ylin7 (talk) 22:43, 2 August 2021 (UTC)ylin7

Foundations 2 2021 Group 1 Citations
(a) Our group has reviewed all the references and that they are now correctly formatted. -ReevA.LUating reviewed citations 1-20 -NAbuGharbiyeh reviewed citations 21-36 -Atompkins1 reviewed citations 37-56 (b) - None of the references were identified as predatory sources - #43 and #53 were identified as unreliable; the texts and citations were removed from the article (c) -Tliu.ucsf reviewed all citations for duplicates and compiled all call outs in the text

ReevA.LUating (talk) 20:33, 4 August 2021 (UTC) Atompkins1 (talk) 21:04, 4 August 2021 (UTC) Tliu.ucsf (talk) 16:34, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

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