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Newsboys

Newsboys (sometimes stylised as newsboys) are a Christian rock band founded in 1985 in Mooloolaba, Queensland, Australia, by Peter Furler and George Perdikis. Now based in Nashville, Tennessee, the band has released 17 studio albums, 6 of which have been certified gold. As of 2023, the band consists of lead vocalist Michael Tait (formerly of DC Talk and Tait), drummer and percussionist Duncan Phillips, keyboardist Jeff Frankenstein, electric guitarist Jody Davis, and bassist Adam Agee(formerly of Stellar Kart and Audio Adrenaline) no founding members are featured in the lineup. In addition to performing music, the band has appeared in the films God's Not Dead, God's Not Dead 2, and God's Not Dead: A Light In Darkness.

1980s
The band was formed in Mooloolaba, Queensland, Australia in 1985 by two young men: Peter Furler and his school mate George Perdikis. Furler and Perdikis practiced in a garage on the Sunshine Coast, well known for being a "surfer's paradise". Two other teens were added soon after: Furler's best friend, John James, and bassist Sean Taylor. The band's original name was The News but they changed to Newsboys to prevent confusion with US-based band Huey Lewis and the News. Newsboys came to the United States in late 1987 after getting signed with Refuge Communications and released the album Read All About It in 1988 in the United States.

1990s
After signing with Star Song Communications, they released two more albums in 1990 and 1991: Hell Is for Wimps and Boys Will Be Boyz, with its first self-titled video. None of the band's first three albums garnered much attention and the band's line-up changed with every release.

It wasn't until their 1992 album, Not Ashamed (containing a cover of the DeGarmo & Key song "Boycott Hell"), that the band gained notice in the Christian music scene with its second self-titled video that followed a year later. Steve Taylor, a singer-songwriter and producer, began a partnership with the band, producing the band's record and writing most of the lyrics for their songs. Furler remained the band's primary songwriter and beginning with this album began sharing lead vocal duties with James and continued to do so until James' departure.

In 1994 amidst continued line-up changes (which included the addition of mainstays Jody Davis and Duncan Phillips), the band released Going Public, their fifth album and first real success. The record proved to be a watershed for the group, winning a 1995 Dove Award for "Rock Album of the Year". It also produced four No. 1 hits: "Spirit Thing", "Real Good Thing", "Truth and Consequences", and, most notably, "Shine". "Shine" won the 1995 Dove for "Rock Recorded Song of the Year", and in 2006, CCM Magazine listed "Shine" in the top 10 in its ranking of the 100 Greatest Songs in Christian music. Shine is considered by fans to be the band's signature song.

The 1996 follow-up album Take Me to Your Leader was recorded with an expanded line up with new additions bassist Phil Joel and keyboardist Jeff Frankenstein. The album produced three more pop No. 1 hits: "Reality", "Let It Go", and the title track, two rock No. 1 hits: "Cup O' Tea" and "Breathe", as well as fan favourite and concert staple "Breakfast". This album also won the group's third Dove, this time for "Recorded Music Packaging of the Year". This album spawned the Newsboys' first movie, Down Under the Big Top (1996), which was based on the song "Reality".

In late 1997 just after completing the Take Me To Your Leader Tour, lead singer John James announced he would be leaving the band to start a preaching ministry. In 2007 he revealed the actual reason was due to a drug and alcohol addiction. With his departure, Furler moved from drums to vocals and auditions were held for the now-vacant drum position. Eventually, Duncan Phillips, who had previously played keyboards and percussion for the band moved over to the drum kit. From 1998 to 2003, the band's line-up of Furler, bassist Phil Joel, guitarist Jody Davis, keyboardist Jeff Frankenstein and Phillips stayed constant and in 1997 Newsboys hit the studio to record Step Up The Microphone.

The first post-James record, Step Up to the Microphone, sold well and produced four No. 1 hits: "Entertaining Angels", "WooHoo", "Believe", and the title track. It also spawned the Newsboys' live video, "Live One Night In Pennsylvania" and a year later. "Entertaining Angels" won the 1999 Dove for "Short Form Music Video of the Year". and in Late 1998 they went into the studio to record Love Liberty Disco

The band returned in 1999 with Love Liberty Disco, the band's only album to significantly deviate from their pop rock sound. Instead, this particular album featured more of a disco sound. Still, it produced several hits, including the No. 1 hits "Beautiful Sound" and "Good Stuff" as well as the title track. The LLD tour was significantly more popular than the album. This tour featured an inflatable arena, called the Air Dome.

In 1999, Furler co-founded Inpop Records with Wes Campbell as an independent contemporary Christian music record label.

2000s
In 2000, Newsboys headlined the annual, travelling CCM concert, Festival Con Dios, with Audio Adrenaline and The O.C. Supertones. That same year, Newsboys released a greatest hits compilation, Shine: The Hits, which did not include any songs from the Love Liberty Disco album, but included four new songs, two of which ("Joy" and "Who?") went to No. 1. After this album the band did not release any new material until the 2002 release of Thrive, a record that produced two No. 1 singles: "Million Pieces (Kissin' Your Cares Goodbye)" and the praise and worship-driven "It Is You", which proved to be the biggest hit of their career up to that point also with its video, Thrive: From The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. Also in 2002, The Newsboys recorded the track "In the Belly of the Whale" for the end credits of the 2002 movie Jonah: A VeggieTales Movie.

After the success of "It Is You", the Newsboys then followed with two praise and worship albums: Adoration: The Worship Album in 2003 and Devotion in 2004. Late in 2003, Davis departed and was replaced by Bryan Olesen on guitar. In 2005, The Newsboys co-authored a book of devotions with Jim Laffoon entitled Our Daily Blog which was published by Inspiro and released on 1 November. They also recorded their Creation 2005 set for a live DVD to be released with their upcoming album. In 2006, Olesen left the band to focus on his own band Casting Pearls and was replaced by Paul Colman, formerly of Paul Colman Trio.

More radio hits came in 2006 with a live version of "I Am Free" (originally written by Jon Egan of the Desperation Band), and "Wherever We Go". On 31 October 2006, The Newsboys released a pop/rock record entitled GO. GO featured David Eri as a co-writer and the songs "Something Beautiful" and "In Wonder" were big hits on Christian Radio. That December, Joel announced that he would leave the band to pursue his own projects and albums. On 8 May 2007, the band released GO Remixed which was made up of new versions of the songs from GO and featured remixes by Tedd T., Jeff Frankenstein, Max Hsu of Superchick and Lee Bridges. On 20 November 2007 the Newsboys released their second greatest hits compilation, The Greatest Hits. The eighteen-song CD also features two new songs "I Fought the La..." and "Stay Strong". This album was followed by Newsboys Live: Houston We Are GO, a CD/DVD combo recording package of a show from the GO Tour, which was released on 30 September 2008. Also in 2008, the band, with Steve Taylor providing vocals, recorded the song "Yo Ho Hero" for The Pirates Who Don't Do Anything: A VeggieTales Movie. In 2007, the band's co-founder George Perdikis renounced Christianity and declared himself an atheist. He had not been involved with the band for seventeen years, nor was he in any way involved with their commercially and critically successful singles or albums.

On 5 January 2009, Colman announced he would be leaving The Newsboys to return to his solo projects. At the same time, it was announced that Davis would return to the band, after a five-year hiatus. "I am thrilled to be returning to the band and back with my bandmates, who are some of my best friends," says Davis, "this is a big change in my life, and I'm looking forward to the tour and new record with excitement."

In 2009, it was announced that Furler, having toured with The Newsboys since the band's inception, had decided to step back into a support role and would continue as the band's primary songwriter and producer. Because of this, a replacement lead vocalist was required so the band could continue touring. On 9 March 2009, it was announced that Michael Tait, formerly of dc Talk, would be the new lead singer. "Michael Tait will be touring with the band as lead singer with Furler making special appearances throughout the year. Furler will continue with the band and his trademark songwriting and production will remain as he focuses his professional career toward future Newsboys recordings." On 17 March, Tait performed his first full concert as lead singer in Highlands Ranch, Colorado.

The Newsboys released the studio album In the Hands of God on 5 May on Inpop Records with Max Hsu producing the album. Long-time collaborator Steve Taylor co-wrote all the songs and sang on one song. During their concert of 11 September in Orlando, Furler announced that this would be his final guest appearance with the band. His full departure left no original members remaining in the band.

2010s
The Newsboys' first studio album featuring lead singer Michael Tait, Born Again, was released on 13 July 2010 and debuted at No. 4 on the Billboard 200, their highest debut position, and sold over 45,000 copies in its first week. On 12 October 2010 they released the Christmas album, Christmas! A Newsboys Holiday featuring "The Christmas Song" by Tait. In 2011, the song "City to City" from GO Remixed was featured in the trailer for the Disney Pixar movie, Cars 2.

God's Not Dead was released 15 November 2011. Their newest live album, title Live in Concert: God's Not Dead, came out on 22 October 2012. In the same year they released their single "The League of Incredible Vegetables" for the VeggieTales video of the same name. The band released their 16th studio album Restart on 10 September 2013. The "Restart Tour" ran from 20 September to 27 October 2013. The band is also a part of the Winter Jam Tour 2013 from November 2013 through March 2014.

The band appeared in a sequence for the film God's Not Dead, released in 2014. Michael Tait expressed excitement about the film to The Global Dispatch during an interview, saying that "The movie is powerful because of the whole stance of it…just trying to prove God's existence…sharing the gospel, living the lifestyle, changing the mindset of people around them in this college, in this university." Duncan Phillips added in a similar interview that "Disney's Shane Harper plays a college student whose faith is challenged by his professor, played by Kevin Sorbo from Hercules. Dean Cain from Superman is in it, too. So we got to hang out with a bunch of superheroes. The movie raises a lot of questions and a lot of eyebrows from a culture that questions if there is a God."

The band then embarked on the "We Believe Tour". They performed at the BigChurchDayOut 2014 and again in 2017. In 2015, the Newsboys started the "We Believe God's Not Dead Tour". Love Riot was released in 2016 and a tour followed. The band also appeared in the 2016 film God's Not Dead 2.

It was announced in late 2017 that Peter Furler and Phil Joel would participate with Newsboys on the Newsboys United Tour in 2018. Along with the tour, it was announced that the band is doing an album, United, with Furler and Joel, which was released 10 May 2019. The last tour date with Furler and Joel was in August 2021. The band subsequently released Stand on 1 October 2021.

On 29 March 2023, it was announced that Adam Agee, formerly of Stellar Kart and Audio Adrenaline would be joining the band as the fifth member. The band also announced a new digital single, titled "He Lives" marking the first single with Agee, which was released on 31 March 2023.

Members
Current members
 * Jody Davis – electric guitar, acoustic guitar, backing vocals (1992–2003, 2009–present)
 * Duncan Phillips – drums (1997–present), percussion (1993–present) , keyboards (1993–1997)
 * Jeff Frankenstein – keyboards (1994–present), synth bass, backing vocals (2007–present)
 * Michael Tait – lead vocals (2009–present)
 * Adam Agee – bass guitar, electric guitar, acoustic guitar, vocals (2023–present)

Former members
 * Peter Furler – lead vocals (1997–2009, 2018–2021 ), guitar (1996–2009, 2018–2021 ), co-lead and backing vocals, drums (1985–1997)
 * John James – lead vocals (1986–1997)
 * Corey Pryor – keyboards (1989–1990, 1991–1993) – left to play with his wife in a band called SoZo
 * Sean Taylor – bass (1986–1992) – left to pursue a career in education
 * Kevin Mills – bass (1992–1994, died 2000) – left the band to manage White Heart
 * George Perdikis – guitar (1985–1987) – left the band before their first album, but co-wrote most of the songs
 * Phil Yates – guitar (1987–1990)
 * Jonathan Geange – guitar (1990–1991, 1992) – returned to the band briefly after Vernon Bishop left, before Jody Davis joined
 * Vernon Bishop – guitar (1991–1992)
 * Phil Joel – bass guitar, vocals (1994–2006, 2018–2021 )
 * Bryan Olesen – guitar (2004–2006) – left to front his original band VOTA on a full-time basis
 * Paul Colman – guitar (2006–2009) – left to work on his solo career and Paul Colman Trio

Major tours

 * Boyz Will Be Boyz Tour (1991)
 * Nu Skool Jam Tour (1991)
 * Going Public Tour (1994-1995) with Steve Taylor and Ian Eskelin
 * Take Me To Your Leader Tour (1997)
 * Step Up to the Microphone Tour (1999)
 * Love Liberty Disco Tour (1999-2000) with Sonicflood and Beanbag
 * Festival Con Dios (2001)
 * Winter Jam (2002) with Michelle Tumes, Paige, Brother's Keeper, Phat Chance, Freddie Colloca, NewSong
 * Thrive It's All In World Tour (2002)
 * The Adoration Tour (2002-2005)
 * Winter Jam (2006) with ZOEgirl, TobyMac, Hawk Nelson, Krystal Meyers, NewSong
 * The GO Tour (2007-2008) with Kutless and Stellar Kart
 * The Way We Roll Tour (2009)
 * Join the Tribe Tour (2009)
 * Winter Jam (2010) with Third Day, Tenth Avenue North, Fireflight, NewSong
 * A Very Merry Christmas Tour (2010)
 * Winter Jam (2011) with David Crowder Band, Kutless, Red, Francesca Battistelli, KJ-52, NewSong
 * Born Again VIP Experience Tour (2011)
 * The Story Music Tour (2011) with Francesca Battistelli, Steven Curtis Chapman, Natalie Grant, Anthem Lights and Selah
 * God's Not Dead Tour (2012-2013) with Building 429 (first leg), Britt Nicole (second leg), All Things New and CAMPBELL
 * Restart Tour (2013) with For King & Country, Moriah Peters and Rapture Ruckus
 * Winter Jam (2014) with Lecrae, Tenth Avenue North, Thousand Foot Krutch, Plumb, Colton Dixon, NewSong
 * The Reason Tour (2014)
 * We Believe God's Not Dead Tour (2015) with Audio Adrenaline, Ryan Stevenson, OBB
 * The Rock & Worship Roadshow (2016) with Jeremy Camp, Mandisa, Phil Wickham, Family Force 5, Audio Adrenaline, Danny Gokey, Citizen Way
 * Love Riot Tour (2016-2017)
 * Jesus Freak Cruise (2017) with TobyMac, DC talk, Kevin Max, Finding Favour, Capital King, Ryan Stevenson, Hollyn
 * Big Church Night Out (2017) with Sidewalk Prophets, 7eventh Time Down, Blanca, Derek Minor, Adam Agee
 * Newsboys United (2018)
 * Winter Jam (2019) with Danny Gokey, Mandisa, NewSong, Rend Collective, Ledger, Hollyn
 * United and Surrounded Tour (2019) with Michael W. Smith
 * Jesus Freak Cruise (2019) with DC talk,TobyMac, Kevin Max, John Crist, Mandisa, Aaron Cole and Ryan Stevenson
 * Greatness of Our God Tour (2019) with Ryan Stevenson, Adam Agee and Kevin Max
 * Greatness of Our God Tour (2020) with Mandisa and Adam Agee
 * Step Into the Light Tour (2021) with Mandisa, Cade Thompson, We Are Messengers, and Adam Agee
 * Stand Together Tour (2022) with Danny Gokey, Mac Powell and Adam Agee
 * Stand Together Tour (2022) with Jeremy Rosado, Cochren & Co, and Adam Agee
 * Let the Music Speak Tour (2023) with Adam Agee
 * Always Only Jesus Tour (2024) with MercyMe and David Leonard
 * Worldwide Revival Nights (2024)

Discography
John James era

 * Read All About It (1988)
 * Hell Is for Wimps (1990)
 * Boys Will Be Boyz (1991)
 * Not Ashamed (1992)
 * Going Public (1994)
 * Take Me to Your Leader (1996)

Peter Furler era

 * Step Up to the Microphone (1998)
 * Love Liberty Disco (1999)
 * Thrive (2002)
 * Adoration: The Worship Album (2003)
 * Devotion (2004)
 * Go (2006)
 * In the Hands of God (2009)

Michael Tait era

 * Born Again (2010)
 * God's Not Dead (2011)
 * Restart (2013)
 * Hallelujah for the Cross (2014)
 * Love Riot (2016)
 * United (2019)
 * Stand (2021)
 * Worldwide Revival Pt.1 (2024)

Grammy Awards

 * 1992 || Not Ashamed || Best Rock/Contemporary Gospel Album || Nominated
 * 1994 || Going Public || Best Rock Gospel Album || Nominated
 * 1996 || Take Me To Your Leader || Best Rock Gospel Album || Nominated
 * 2003 || Adoration: The Worship Album || Best Pop/Contemporary Gospel Album || Nominated
 * 1996 || Take Me To Your Leader || Best Rock Gospel Album || Nominated
 * 2003 || Adoration: The Worship Album || Best Pop/Contemporary Gospel Album || Nominated
 * 2003 || Adoration: The Worship Album || Best Pop/Contemporary Gospel Album || Nominated
 * 2003 || Adoration: The Worship Album || Best Pop/Contemporary Gospel Album || Nominated

Dove Awards

 * 1993 || "I Cannot Get You Out of My System" || Short Form Music Video of the Year || Nominated
 * rowspan=5| 1994
 * rowspan=1| Going Public || Rock Album of the Year || Won
 * | n/a || Group of the Year || Nominated
 * rowspan=3| "Shine" || Rock Recorded Song of the Year || Won
 * | Short Form Music Video of the Year || Nominated
 * 1996 || Song of the Year || Nominated
 * rowspan=5| 1997
 * rowspan=2| Take Me To Your Leader || Rock Album of the Year || Nominated
 * | Recorded Music Packaging of the Year || Won
 * | "Take Me to Your Leader" || Short Form Music Video of the Year || Nominated
 * | "God Is Not a Secret" || Rock Recorded Song of the Year || Nominated
 * rowspan=4| 1999
 * rowspan=3| "Entertaining Angels" || Song of the Year || Nominated
 * | Group of the Year || Nominated
 * |Short Form Music Video of the Year || Won
 * 2000 || One Night in Pennsylvania || Long Form Music Video of the Year || Nominated
 * rowspan=2| 2001 || "Love Liberty Disco" || Short Form Music Video of the Year || Nominated
 * | City on a Hill: Songs of Worship and Praise || Special Event Album of the Year || Nominated
 * 2003 || Thrive: Live from the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame || Long Form Music Video of the Year || Nominated
 * rowspan=5| 2004
 * rowspan=2| "He Reigns" || Worship Song of the Year || Nominated
 * | Song of the Year || Nominated
 * | Adoration: The Worship Album || Praise & Worship Album of the Year || Nominated
 * | n/a || Group of the Year || Nominated
 * 2005 || Devotion || Praise & Worship Album of the Year || Nominated
 * 2008 || Go: Remixed || Pop/Contemporary Album of the Year || Nominated
 * rowspan=3| 2012
 * | "Born Again" || Rock Song of the Year || Nominated
 * | "Miracles" || Short Form Music Video of the Year || Nominated
 * 2013 || Jesus, Firm Foundation: Hymns of Worship || Special Event Album of the Year || Nominated
 * rowspan=3| 2015
 * rowspan=2 | "We Believe" || Pop/Contemporary Song of the Year || Nominated
 * | Song of the Year || Nominated
 * rowspan=2| 2016 || Love Riot || Pop/Contemporary Album of the Year || Nominated
 * | "We Believe" || Worship Song of the Year || Nominated
 * | City on a Hill: Songs of Worship and Praise || Special Event Album of the Year || Nominated
 * 2003 || Thrive: Live from the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame || Long Form Music Video of the Year || Nominated
 * rowspan=5| 2004
 * rowspan=2| "He Reigns" || Worship Song of the Year || Nominated
 * | Song of the Year || Nominated
 * | Adoration: The Worship Album || Praise & Worship Album of the Year || Nominated
 * | n/a || Group of the Year || Nominated
 * 2005 || Devotion || Praise & Worship Album of the Year || Nominated
 * 2008 || Go: Remixed || Pop/Contemporary Album of the Year || Nominated
 * rowspan=3| 2012
 * | "Born Again" || Rock Song of the Year || Nominated
 * | "Miracles" || Short Form Music Video of the Year || Nominated
 * 2013 || Jesus, Firm Foundation: Hymns of Worship || Special Event Album of the Year || Nominated
 * rowspan=3| 2015
 * rowspan=2 | "We Believe" || Pop/Contemporary Song of the Year || Nominated
 * | Song of the Year || Nominated
 * rowspan=2| 2016 || Love Riot || Pop/Contemporary Album of the Year || Nominated
 * | "We Believe" || Worship Song of the Year || Nominated
 * rowspan=3| 2012
 * | "Born Again" || Rock Song of the Year || Nominated
 * | "Miracles" || Short Form Music Video of the Year || Nominated
 * 2013 || Jesus, Firm Foundation: Hymns of Worship || Special Event Album of the Year || Nominated
 * rowspan=3| 2015
 * rowspan=2 | "We Believe" || Pop/Contemporary Song of the Year || Nominated
 * | Song of the Year || Nominated
 * rowspan=2| 2016 || Love Riot || Pop/Contemporary Album of the Year || Nominated
 * | "We Believe" || Worship Song of the Year || Nominated
 * rowspan=3| 2015
 * rowspan=2 | "We Believe" || Pop/Contemporary Song of the Year || Nominated
 * | Song of the Year || Nominated
 * rowspan=2| 2016 || Love Riot || Pop/Contemporary Album of the Year || Nominated
 * | "We Believe" || Worship Song of the Year || Nominated
 * rowspan=2| 2016 || Love Riot || Pop/Contemporary Album of the Year || Nominated
 * | "We Believe" || Worship Song of the Year || Nominated
 * | "We Believe" || Worship Song of the Year || Nominated
 * | "We Believe" || Worship Song of the Year || Nominated

Billboard Music Video Awards

 * 1999 Award for Best CCM Video
 * "Entertaining Angels"

Intl. Angel Awards

 * 1995 Award for Video
 * "Shine"
 * 1999 Award for Video
 * "Entertaining Angels"

Nashville Music Awards

 * 1999 Award for Favorite CCM Album
 * Step Up to the Microphone
 * 2000 Nomination for Contemporary Christian Album of the Year
 * Love Liberty Disco

SESAC Awards

 * 2000 Award for Christian Songwriter of the Year
 * Peter Furler

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The referenced page is basicly a rant that people intentionally create web pages with a common mispelling of Dr Kellermann in order to 'trap' surfers into following only links they provide which discredit his theories. While that may (or may not) be true, that's not what the encyclopedia is for.

If this stays it sets a poor precedent which will lead to lots of pages of mispelled names of political leaders set up to support or mock them. There will be no end to it.

Aecarol 04:09, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Well, one man's analysis of the branching off and speciation of a mutated meme in the virtual environment of internet search engines, as a model in information theory of the process of genetic mutation, reproductive isolation, and speciation is another man's rant full of mumbo jumbo, as my Daddy always said. Vote to keep, but modify if it helps clarify. Gzuckier 15:31, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

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Talk:Farmingville, New York

POV
I put a POV check on this. The following especially: "problem", the wording of "illegal immigrants... day laborers", and "solution". I hope to be able to fix it up myself within a week or so, but I encourage anyone else to do so if they can. Steve McLinden 08:50, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I edited it, how's this for now? -- KneeLess 03:22, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Good job. I live here, Feel free to ask me question haha. The "attempted murder" of two illegal immigrants was a friend of mine's friend. His actions were foolish and immature to say the least. It was a few years ago, I believe he threw I firework into their house. DeadAlmighty 02:37, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

While I do live here, I promise to maintain a neutral point of view when editing this article. (In response to the neutrality check)DeadAlmighty 00:50, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the POV tag from this article, as it looks fine to me, and the previous problems seem to have been fixed to the satisfaction of the Talk page. I have, however, replaced the rag with a "Unreferenced" tag as sources have not been cited. -Seidenstud 05:12, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Issues with the Community Activism section
This article is misleading as it implies that Sachem Quality of Life was created in response to the attempted murder of two immigrants. Sachem Quality of Life was prior to that incident in an attempt to address the "quality of life" issues raised by day-labors lining up at local businesses. I take issue with only one of the activism groups (Sachem Quality of Life) being referenced (especially since it has been labeled as a hate group by multiple sources). If you are going to bring up activism groups there should be a reference to the other prominent group, Brookhaven Citizens for Peaceful Solutions.

"While day laborer supporters have proposed building a site to shelter the workers."

The way it is currently phrased, it can be construed as it was a purposed that would create housing for the workers. If terminology such as hiring site/hall were used this could be clarified. There was a proposal to build a hiring site for workers to gather. This was purposed by persons who were attempting to address the "quality of life" issue that was created by large numbers of men (over a hundred) from congregating in front of local businesses, not by "day laborer supporters." There were few day laborer supporters in the community and none of them were prominent in the media (with the possible except of Rev. Allen Ramirez who had nothing to do with this proposal). The community wanted something done to get them off the streets. Sachem Quality of life sought to do this through mass deportations and Brookhaven Citizens for Peaceful Solutions purposed to get this done by building a place of them to go if they want work - a hiring site. Everyone wanted the same thing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Expired milk (talk • contribs) 04:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC).

Removal of life in town section
I removed this entire section since it completely violated WP:POV and WP:NOR. The section was also poorly written and did not contribute any note worthy information to the article since the entire section was all based on someone's opinion. Noneforall (talk) 07:55, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

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Stern (game company)

Stern is the name of two different but related arcade gaming companies. Stern Electronics, Inc. manufactured arcade video games and pinball machines from 1977 until 1985, and was best known for Berzerk. Stern Pinball, Inc., founded in 1986 as Data East Pinball, is a manufacturer of pinball machines in North America.

Stern Electronics, Inc.
Stern Electronics was formed when the Stern family bought the financially troubled Chicago Coin in 1977. Chicago Coin's assets were purchased at bankruptcy sales forming the core inventory of Stern Electronics, Inc.; however, as a separate company, they did not assume any of the debt Chicago Coin had amassed.

The first two games made by Stern were Stampede and Rawhide, both originally made by Chicago Coin, which only had changes made to their branding and logos. After a weak start, Stern Electronics' sales started picking up by the end of 1977. By 1978, they had switched over to fully solid-state electronics for their games. In 1979, Stern acquired the jukebox production assets of the bankrupt Seeburg Corporation, and the company became known as Stern / Seeburg. Coincidentally, Seeburg also owned Williams in the 1960s, when Sam Stern was its president.

When arcade video games became popular in 1980, Stern Electronics produced Berzerk. In 1983, Stern became one of many victims of the amusement industry economic shakeout that occurred. In 1985, Stern Electronics left the amusement industry. Personnel from Stern Electronics formed a short-lived venture known as Pinstar, producing conversion kits for old Bally and Stern machines. Gary Stern was the president of Stern Electronics, Inc, Pinstar Inc, and Data East pinball.

On March 16, 2023, Atari announced that it had acquired the intellectual property rights to 12 Stern Electronics titles, including Berzerk and Frenzy.

Stern Pinball, Inc.
By 1999, the pinball industry was virtually dead and Sega left the pinball industry, and in October 1999 sold its pinball division, previously purchased from Data East in 1994, to Gary Stern, the son of Sam Stern, who had been running Data East/Sega pinball since 1986, and Stern Pinball was born. Stern Pinball, Inc. is based in Elk Grove Village, Illinois.

As of 2023, longtime designers Brian Eddy, John Borg, and George Gomez are designing pinball games at Stern Pinball, alongside top-ranking competitive player Keith Elwin and popular pinball streamer Jack Danger.

Some Stern pinball tables were also digitally released through The Pinball Arcade and Stern Pinball Arcade.

Stern Electronics

 * Stampede (1977)
 * Rawhide (1977)
 * Disco (1977)
 * Pinball (1977)
 * Stingray (1977)
 * Stars (1978)
 * Memory Lane (1978)
 * Lectronamo (1978)
 * Wild Fyre (1978)
 * Nugent (1978)
 * Dracula (1979)
 * Trident (1979)
 * Hot Hand (1979)
 * Magic (1979)
 * Cosmic Princess (1979) (Produced in Australia by Leisure and Allied Industries under license from Stern Electronics Inc)
 * Meteor (1979) (Highest production of all Stern Electronics' Pinballs)
 * Galaxy (1980)
 * Ali (1980)
 * Big Game (1980) (First game to incorporate seven-digit scoring in the digital era)
 * Seawitch (1980)
 * Cheetah (1980)
 * Quicksilver (1980)
 * Star Gazer (1980)
 * Flight 2000 (1980) (Stern's first game with multi-ball and speech)
 * Nine Ball (1980)
 * Freefall (1981)
 * Lightning (1981)
 * Split Second (1981)
 * Catacomb (1981)
 * Viper (1981)
 * Dragonfist (1982)
 * Iron Maiden (1982) (Unrelated to the British heavy metal band)
 * Orbitor 1 (1982) (Featured a 3d-vacuum formed playfield with spinning rubber bumpers causing frenetic ball action; it was the company's last released game)
 * Cue (1982) (Six machines built)
 * Lazer Lord (1984) (One prototype built)

Arcade games manufactured by Stern

 * Astro Invader (1980) (programmed by Konami)
 * Berzerk (1980)
 * The End (1980) (programmed by Konami)
 * Scramble (1981) (programmed by Konami)
 * Super Cobra (1981) (programmed by Konami)
 * Moon War (1981)
 * Turtles (1981) (programmed by Konami)
 * Strategy X (1981) (programmed by Konami)
 * Jungler (1981) (programmed by Konami)
 * Armored Car (1981)
 * Amidar (1981) (programmed by Konami)
 * Frenzy (1982)
 * Tazz-Mania (1982)
 * Tutankham (1982) (programmed by Konami)
 * Pooyan (1982) (programmed by Konami)
 * Dark Planet (1982) (designed by Erick Erickson and Dan Langlois)
 * Rescue (1982)
 * Calipso (1982) (developed by Stern, released by Tago Electronics)
 * Anteater (1982) (developed by Stern, released by Tago Electronics)
 * Mazer Blazer (1982)
 * Lost Tomb (1982)
 * Bagman (Le Bagnard) (1982) (programmed by Valadon Automation)
 * Pop Flamer (1982) (programmed by Jaleco)
 * Star Jacker (1983) (programmed by Sega)
 * Minefield (1983)
 * Cliff Hanger (1983) (laserdisc game using video footage from TMS)
 * Great Guns (1984)
 * Goal to Go (1984) (laserdisc game)
 * Super Bagman (1984) (programmed by Valadon Automation)

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Talk:Bisayan languages

Vacalary 10 difficult word meaning English and sentence is bisaya

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Hi. I lived on and travled around Panay. One of my close friends is born and raised in Capiz, and she says they all speak Illongo (Hiligaynon). When I visited, that's what everyone I saw was speaking. There were a few unique words, on the scale of the difference between English in California and English in Alabama. Does anyone know or know of people who speak the Capiznon language? Because I never heard of it before this article. Is it more in rural areas? I could just not be aware of it, but it is definitely not the main language of the province. Officially, Capiz, Iloilo, Guimaras, and Negros Occidental (where Bacolod is) were all considered to be Illongo-speaking provinces.

 * Capiznon is spoken in more rural parts of Capiz itself. Let the name 'Capiznon' not fool you into thinking that it is the main tongue of Capiz province, because it's not. Ilonggo is. If you would refer to a linguistic map, Ilonggo speaking areas would take up most of Capiz including the coastal areas, Roxas City, leaving rural inland areas to the south and southwest of the province as Capiznon speaking areas. Si lapu lapu (talk) 13:01, 16 June 2008 (UTC)si lapu lapu

Also, Hiligaynon and Kinaray-a are very closely related. I'd be surprised if they weren't in the same sub-family. There is much more mutual comprehension between Kinaray-a speakers and Hiligaynon speakers, than between speakers of Hiligaynon and Cebuano. A lot of the differences took a recognisable pattern, where an L in Hiligaynon would be an R in Kinary-a. For instance, 'talong' (eggplant) became 'tarong. Similarly, 'ligos' for bath, would be 'rigos'.

There's also some very obvious structural similarities between Hiligaynon and Aklanon, although the people I knew who were raised speaking English or Hiligaynon found some of the sounds very difficult to pronounce. There was a sort of swallowed 'y' sound that only natives of Aklan ever seemed capable of getting correct. It also seemed to be a substitue for L.  For instance, in Aklan, the language was called Akyanon instead of Aklanon, and the word for house (Tagalog 'bahay' or Hiligaynon 'balay') became 'bayay'

This is all personal observation and fairly amateur lingustics, so if anyone knows better, please correct me. 68.234.12.90 05:31, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Please include Bacolod.Thanks.--Jondel 04:12, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Under Cebuano? I didn't include any city references, but perhaps the Bacolod reference is more appropriate under the Cebuano article. --Chris 10:05, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Hi. I don't know the the linguistic categories but I do love languages and I 'm from Capiz but travelled to Iloilo, Bacolod, Aklan and some Luzon provinces. I understand Illonggo but don't speak it well(grew up in Manila but have relatives and travelled a lot to Roxas City). But fellow Illonggo speakers can tell I'm from an Illonggo province because the accent sometimes comes out when I speak Tagalog. With differences in accents and choice of words, Ilonggo is spoken and mutually understood in Capiz, Romblon, Bacolod and parts of Aklan. If there is a Capiznon,  Romblon and the language of Bacolod should be considered as variants or versions of Illonggo.  From experience I believe people from Bacolod don't speak Cebuano but Illonggo. Anyone from Bacolod who would like to comment? --Jondel 06:25, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

 * Bacolod people speak Ilonggo (more formally known as Hiligaynon, though curiously a lot of the Ilonggo speakers I know are not aware that Hiligaynon is the same thing). TheCoffee 18:06, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

j sound
Copied from the Hinduism in the Philippines discussion page:
 * Just a question for the Visayan language speakers or perhaps other: does the phoneme /j/ occur in this language? Meursault2004 10:10, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, V Speakers can pronounce the j but this was not a pre-Spanish sound nor can it be found in pure native non-hispanic, non-English words. It is similar to the Di sound, 'Dios ko '(My God), etc.--Jondel 07:32, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

 * OK thanks. So Visaya could be a native pronunciation of Wijaya/Vijaya. Meursault2004 08:28, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Many 'j' sounds became s in various Philippine languages during the early Spanish period. 'javon' became sabon and Reloj => Relos . Spanish of course today pronounces the j as an h (Jesus=> Hesus). But in the early  period it was similar to the j of French and Portugese like a zsh sound. In the Philippines, this  sound evolved into the s sound. Some Filipinos have names like Sese(Jese), Sesus (Jesus). --Jondel 08:41, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

 * You can encounter the /j/ sound in some Visayan dialects. The /j/ sound is a distinguishing feature of the Boholano dialect (usually considered a dialect of the Cebuano language) of central Bohol. In Boholano, /j/ is often used to replace the /y/ sound. --Wng 08:17, September 10, 2005 (UTC)

 * These Boholano words are not Spanish-based like Dios => Jos (God), Diario=> Jaryo(newspaper), etc?--Jondel 08:31, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I think this is limited to central and eastern Bohol. Iya (his, her) becomes Ija. Babaye (woman) becomes babaje. The k also becomes h. Akò (mine)(is ò the correct symbol for the glottal stop?) becomes ahò. --Nino Gonzales 04:10, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

 * The "correct" symbol for a glottal stop is - so, but that's IPA.  But writing it as an accent depends on the stress.  And you got it right. As for the "aho" - are you talking about a regular "h" or a German "ch" ?  In Tagalog, a similar thing happens with "ako" or "k" between vowels. --Chris S. 04:51, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

 * The /j/ based words is not only limited to Bohol province. In the province of Romblon, particularly in the municipality of San Fernando in Sibuyan Island, most words pronounced as /y/ in Romblomanon becomes /j/ in San Fernando & Azagra areas.  Ayam (Dog) is Ajam in Sibuyan; while Ayagak (Wailing) is Ajagak in Sibuyan and many more.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.101.224.240 (talk) 08:32, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Kinamiguin
I recently created a page for Kinamiguin. I would like to add it to this page but want to give everyone a chance to comment before making any changes. Please also look at the Talk:Kinamiguin page. Gavin 08:38, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Southern Visayan and Mansakan
It looks like Mansakan and the former Southern Visayan group are now synonymous,without Surigaonon?Kasumi-genx (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC).

Old grammars and dictionaries of Visayan
http://books.google.com/books?id=b6ITAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

Free Picture of the Lord's Prayer in Baybayin Visayan (Bisaya)
the image is public domain and can be uploaded

http://books.google.com/books?id=uUhiAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA361#v=onepage&q&f=false

Rajmaan (talk) 06:11, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Visayan language materials
Visayan-English dictionary (1911)

https://archive.org/details/adb1552.0001.001.umich.edu

A Bisayan grammar and notes on Bisayan rhetoric and poetics and Filipino dialectology (1908)

https://archive.org/details/bisayangrammarno00romurich

A Bisayan Grammar and Notes on Bisayan Rhetoric and Poetics and Filipino Dialectology By Norberto Romuáldez

http://books.google.com/books?id=b6ITAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

The Lord's prayer in 250 languages and 180 forms of writing By Pietro Marietti, Wendell Jordan S. Krieg, Catholic Church. Congregatio de Propaganda Fide

http://books.google.com/books?id=uUhiAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA361#v=onepage&q&f=false

Mga paquigpulong sa Iningles ug Binisaya (1905)

https://archive.org/details/afu8653.0001.001.umich.edu

Diccionario español-bisaya para las provincias de Sámar y Leyte (1914)

https://archive.org/details/aqh5491.0002.001.umich.edu

https://archive.org/details/aqh5491.0001.001.umich.edu

Diccionario bisaya-español [microform] (1885)

https://archive.org/details/aqp5055.0001.001.umich.edu

Cursos de lengua panayana [microform] (1876)

https://archive.org/details/aqa2027.0001.001.umich.edu

Método del Dr. Ollendorff para aprender á leer, hablar y escribir un idioma cualquiera adaptado al bisaya (1871)

https://archive.org/details/afu8648.0001.001.umich.edu

Differences between Tagalog and Bisayan (January 1, 1904)

https://archive.org/details/jstor-592556

The Bisayan Dialects (January 1, 1905)

https://archive.org/details/jstor-592885

Narrative of the voyage of H.M.S. Samarang, during the years 1843-46 : employed surveying the islands of the Eastern archipelago; accompanied by a brief vocabulary of the principal languages (1848)

https://archive.org/details/narrativevoyage00adamgoog

https://archive.org/details/narrativevoyage01adamgoog

Cebuano language

Ang Dila Natong Bisaya

http://archive.org/details/AngDilaNatongBisaya

Rajmaan (talk) 14:15, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 30 June 2015

 * The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was not moved as withdrawn. Initial consensus seems to be too many disparate topics bundled in one nomination.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:50, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

– Same rationale as Tagalog, Tagalogs, & Filipinos. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, WP:CONCISE Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 03:52, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Visayan languages → Visayan
 * Aklanon language → Aklanon
 * Bikol languages → Bikol
 * Cebuano language → Cebuano
 * Chavacano language → Chavacano
 * Hiligaynon language → Hiligaynon
 * Ibanag language → Ibanag
 * Ilocano language → Ilocano
 * Ivatan language → Ivatan
 * Kapampangan language → Kapampangan
 * Kinaray-a language → Kinaray-a
 * Maguindanao language → Maguindanaoan
 * Sambal language → Sambal
 * Surigaonon language → Surigaonon
 * Tausūg language → Tausūg
 * Waray-Waray language → Waray-Waray
 * Yakan language → Yakan
 * Cebuano people → Cebuanos
 * Ilocano people → Ilocanos
 * Kapampangan people → Kapampangans
 * Karay-a people → Karay-a
 * Pangasinense people → Pangasinense
 * Sambal people → Sambals
 * Yakan people → Yakans

 * Strong procedural Oppose All primary topic discussions should be handled separately. They do not relate to other discussions that are not concerning PT. I don't think you've given due diligence to all your selected targets. And claims of primary topic for Filipino and Maguindanao being just the languages are highly suspect without evidence. Further, the proposal for Maguindanao is procedurally invalid since you'd need to delete the target article; While you haven't indicated if you wanted a massive hatnote for Filipino or not. -- 70.51.203.69 (talk) 04:20, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment even after the request modification, there are still many primary topic disputes listed, and they should be treated separately, since each is independent of each other; so this is still procedurally very bad. (a PT dispute is if the target redirects elsewhere, or is a dab page, or is a different article, and you want to overwrite it) -- 70.51.203.69 (talk) 05:13, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Suggest withdrawal of request or speedy close as per the above. GregKaye 06:08, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment-I've altered the request per the comments above. There was too many articles ot was hard to catch all the errors but thanks anyway. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 09:53, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Now how was Tagalog people moved to Tagalogs in the first place? "Tagalogs" doesn't just sound awkward, it's rarely used even in Philippine English. Tagalog, like English, Scottish, Irish or Welsh, is an ADJECTIVE, and the way to refer to the people speaking the language is by just saying Tagalog or Tagalog people. The same for those other languages. I would suggest reverting to avoid confusing the readers with Tagalog and Tagalogs, Visayan, Visayas and Visayans, etc. The old X people and X language format actually helps to properly distinguish the two which as adjectives are really ambiguous. --RioHondo (talk) 10:47, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose and Request Speedy Close. All of these requests should be discussed separately, most seem controversial. Khestwol (talk) 15:12, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose in agreeance with User:Khestwol most of these should not be moved or renamed at all. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 00:25, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Speedy close. After much thought, I have decided to withdraw this. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 02:35, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Requested move 29 October 2019

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Visayan languages → Bisayan languages – Per WP:COMMONNAME. The overwhelming majority of sources employs "Bisayan languages" for the linguistic subgroup, e.g. Zorc (1977), Wollf (2001), Brown & Ogilvie (2009) , Blust (2013) , Reid (2013). Glottolog and Ethnologue also employ "Bisayan".

Note that "Visayan" is the commonly used adjective derived from "Visayas"; "Visayan languages" in its primary sense means "languages of or related to the geographical area of the Visayas". "Bisayan languages" on the other hand is a linguistic grouping that largely overlaps with the latter, but also comprises languages of non-Visayan ethnolinguistic groups (e.g. Tausug, Cuyonon). WP:COMMONNAME therefore has to be considered specifically in a linguistic context.

– Austronesier (talk) 09:54, 29 October 2019 (UTC) —Relisted.  P. I. Ellsworth , ed.  put'r there 17:05, 6 November 2019 (UTC) ""There are also islands near or within the Visayan region that have speakers of non-Bisayan languages: Cagayan has Kagayanen, and Camiguin has Kinamigin, both are Manobo languages (Elkins 1974); Capul has Abaknon, a Samalan language; and Agutaya has Agutaynen, a Kalamian language. All of these languages have borrowed from their Visayan neighbours." – Zorc (1977, p.8, empahsis added)"
 * Oppose This is merely a cosmetic change. The languages are associated with the islands and there is no geographic grouping that uses the "b". Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 02:36, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment+Addenda. Thank you for bringing this up. It is correct that the common geographic and ethnic term is "Visayan". But again, this is specifically about the linguistic subgroup, and not about the "Languages of the Visayas". The authors cited above do write "Visayan" when referring to geography and ethnic groups, and the term "Bisayan" was deliberately chosen, since not all languages in the Visayas are "Bisayan languages":

 * In order to maintain the current page name "Visayan languages", you need to present a reliable source (ideally a specialist, i.e. linguistic source; but also any reliable tertiary non-specialist source) which spells the linguistic subgroup with a "V". I want to add another source from a notable scholar, viz. Cecilio Lopez (the "Father of Philippine lingustics"). In Lopez (1967), he also refers to the subgroup as "Bisayan languages".
 * As for the "cosmetic change": the actual change was made in WP when the page was created as "Visayan languages", contrary to the spelling convention employed in the sources. But it is not in the hands of WP editors to "correct" the sources, especially when these are from the leading experts in the field of Philippine linguistics (Lopez, Zorc, Reid) or Austronsesian linguistics in general (Wolff, Blust).

 * –Austronesier (talk) 10:20, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment It is still not the common name since there are other sources that specifically says "Visayan languages".

 * Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 01:18, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

 * Comment+Addenda I have taken the liberty to expand two of your citations (couldn't specify the article in "Journal of Oriental Studies" in a quick search). Adelaar and Lipski are notable researchers, so you have dug up reliable sources for the "V"-spelling. For the convenience of other editors who might still come and join the discussion, I have tagged each citation with "Visayan languages" and "Bisayan languages" for easier tracking.
 * Note that "common" does not mean "exclusive", but implies that usage of the common name strongly outweighs the use of other extant names, which I believe is the case with "Bisayan languages". In the same volume by Adelaar & Himmelmann (2005), there is a chapter by Hein Steinhauer, "Colonial history and language policy in Insular Southeast Asia and Madagascar". There, Steinhauer writes "Bisayan" when referring to the "Bisayan languages", but also – I admit, against common usage – when referring to ethnic Visayans.
 * I can add three very influential tertiary sources: The Encyclopædia Britannica uses both spellings in an inconsistent manner, while Merritt Ruhlen's A Guide to the World’s Languages, Volume I: Classification lists "Bisayan languages" as a branch of the Austronesian languages (see here at excerpt of Ruhlen 1987). Finally, the US Library of Congress uses "Bisayan languages" as a categorizer.

 * –Austronesier (talk) 10:20, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

 * Support per the detailed and well-argued nomination. – Uanfala (talk) 01:44, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose per the detailed and well-argued opposition of Shhhhwwww!!. BushelCandle (talk) 10:17, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * As far as I'm able to make out from Shhhhwwww!!'s three brief sentences above, their argument is that the geographic grouping doesn't use the form with "B". But that's precisely the point of the nominator: the article is not about some geographic grouping, it's about the language group (defined genealogically). If the majority of sources use "B" for the language group, then so should our article. – Uanfala (talk) 12:07, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

badlit
The article calls badlit as "distinct from the Tagalog baybayin", but this is an opinion not backed by scientific evidence and is more likely political in nature. The consensus by researchers is that the various scripts such as Pampanga "kulitan", Bisaya "kabadlit", Ilocano "kurditan", Bicol "basahan", and Tagalog "baybayin" are all local names for the same script. The surviving samples for each are too few to establish any of them as a distinct writing systems and the variations between them can be attributed to differences in handwriting — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.29.112.174 (talk) 14:39, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

title: Talk:Bisayan languages