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Hello there. If you have a quesstion to ask, just type it here and I'll try to answer it. :) ____Ebelular 11:22, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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Secondly, if you haven't already discovered it, the Irish wikipedians' notice board is a handy discussion area, in case you hadn't found it already.

Thirdly, you said in the CTYI article that it is commonly reffered to as 'nerd camp' by its students. I attended CTYI numerous times and never once heard that term used. What is your source for that?

Happy editing, J OHN C OLLISON [ Ludraman] 15:57, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the welcome. I didn't know there was an Irish wikipedia notice board, I'll be sure to check it out. As for the CTYI/nerdcamp thing, I never went to CTYI, but I know a couple of people who went there. I, like them are in college now, so I don't know how recent that phrase is, or even if it's jsut a bit of a piss take. :) I should ask them again I suppose... I was just browsing around and 'was bold' :). ____Ebelular 20:49, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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 * All right, I was trying to move it, but couldn't, so I though I'd copy and paste. Ebelular 18:12, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

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Saw you on boards... just thought I'd say hello! -- Lochaber 10:59, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Hello there. Might see you around. Ebelular 12:55, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

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Just wanted to let you know that I reverted your edit to Fetal Heartbeat Bill adding "United States of America" to every section. Since the scope of the article, as you well pointed out, is a single country, it's much more straightforward to mention this once in the introduction. Adding the name of the country to all sections, as if this were a multi-country article, looks very clunky. If information about other countries' bills is introduced to the article at a later time, the scope and structure should of course be revisited.

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 * Hi. I was hoping that by putting the country specific sections it would encourage editors to add details from other countries, and hence make the article more global. However that hasn't happened. Maybe I was too optimisitic? :) ___Ebelular (talk) 08:42, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * That's a very good sentiment, but sadly I think it usually works out better to rely on information being there before adding too much 'scaffolding'. Thank you for the effort and subsequent edits, regardless! Looks like the article is getting a lot of attention recently, so hopefully it improves further :D Mechordeus (talk) 18:25, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks for enlightening me on the usage of various spelling methods, for the unintentional changes I made with the page "every Life Counts". Hereafter, I will take care and I reaized my ignorance on 'Capitalization' too :) Bilingual2000 (talk) 13:50, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

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User: Ebelular you have removed an edit seemingly without consulting the talk page, please clarify where you believe NPOV would is in my edit rather as this edit contained two edits, One stating the fact that this was planned parenthood opinion (as it was sourced start from planned parenthood a major abortion provider (thereby a non neutral party). And my second edit was sourced as counter point, as is present in all other sections. Please utilize talk before hasty changes and please provide sources if you are suggesting changes (preferably non bias sources). 135.23.244.37 (talk) 04:45, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

I added 2 citations to the statement, in the opinion of Planned Parenthood, a major abortion provider. [5][6] since they provide (based on latest available statistics) 49.64% of abortions in 2014 for USA. 652,639 total from CDC and 323,999 from Planned Parenthood in 2014 from CNN, released by planned parenthood.135.23.244.37 (talk) 05:08, 3 February 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 135.23.244.37 (talk)

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 * Sure, go ahead. Ebelular (talk) 08:09, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ now at User:Ebelular/WikiProject Abortion in Ireland. Thanks for the quick response! Ajpolino (talk) 17:17, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

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Background
On 19 July Jeroen King was appointed Vice-Commodore, an originally Dutch creation between Captain and Rear-Admiral, with the confederate Dutch fleet and shortly after took over command, in the absence of Vice-Admiral Witte de With, of a squadron assembling in the Wielingen, off the coast of Zealand, to escort a large convoy. Around 10 August, De Ruyter took sea before the merchantmen had arrived, to seek out an English fleet of forty ships, commanded by Ayscue, which he knew had left The Downs on 19 July. De Ruyter's squadron at that moment consisted of 23 warships and six fireships, with a total of about 600 cannon and 1,700 men. As De Ruyter reported to the States-General of the Netherlands, most crews were badly trained, many ships poorly maintained and he had just two months of supplies. Nevertheless, he preferred to give battle early without the burden of having to protect the convoy.

Reaching the English Channel, he soon discovered that Ayscue was not interested in fighting the Dutch squadron, but avoided it in the hope of intercepting the convoy. To lure Ayscue out De Ruyter started to cruise off the coast of Sussex, causing an uproar with the local population, but Ayscue, despite his fleet having grown to 42 ships, did not react. Meanwhile, De Ruyter had lost two ships, sent out to escort a single incoming merchantman to the mouth of the Somme river, when they collided, sinking one, the Sint Nicolaes, and severely damaging the other, Gelderlandt.

On 11 August De Ruyter at last did rendezvous with the convoy of sixty merchantmen off Gravelines in the southern North Sea. He was pleased to notice that it brought ten warships with it, bringing his total to 31. On 13 August De Ruyter re-entered the Channel near Calais. His instructions were to escort the convoy to the Atlantic; there most ships would head for the Mediterranean together with their ten escorts, while the original squadron would have to wait to pick up merchantmen coming from the West Indies and transporting silver. Ayscue's fleet had then grown to 47 vessels: 38 men-of-war, among which armed merchantmen; five fireships, and four smaller vessels.

Battle
On 15 August, the English spotted the Dutch fleet off the coast of Plymouth and took sea. Ayscue attempted a direct attack from the north the next day, off the coast of Brittany around 13:30, against the convoy, having the weather gauge. He hoped it would scatter, allowing him to capture some very profitable prizes, but De Ruyter unexpectedly separated his naval squadron and changed course to meet Ayscue's attack, shielding the merchantmen. Ayscue's ships were on average more heavily armed, but extremely disorganised because the fastest vessels, among them Ayscue's flagship the George and the Vanguard of his vice-admiral William Haddock, had broken formation in the hope of catching, during a running battle, straggling Dutch merchantmen; they were now unable to form a line of battle and fully exploit their advantage in firepower over the Dutch. The Dutch squadron however, sailing to the northwest, was in a rough defensive leeward line formation, with the Frisian acting Rear-Admiral Joris Pieterszoon van den Broeck commanding the van, De Ruyter himself commanding the centre and Dutch Rear-Admiral Jan Aertsen Verhoeff commanding the rear. Around 16:00 the Dutch fleet and seven forward English vessels met and almost immediately passed through each other – both sides afterwards claiming to have "broken the enemy line". Having thus gained the weather gauge the Dutch at once exploited this by turning and attacking from the north. They would describe this as a second breaking of the line but probably the battle soon degenerated into a confusing mêlée. With their best ships now surrounded by the mass of Dutch vessels and bearing the brunt of the fight, the slower remainder of the English fleet, largely consisting of poorly trained hired merchantmen, was, reaching the scene of the battle, not overly zealous to get involved. Their numerical superiority thus also gained the English little.

The largest Dutch vessel, the Dutch East India Company warship Vogelstruys, by Dutch standards heavily armed with a lower tier of 18-pounders, got separated from the rest of the Dutch fleet and was attacked by three English ships at once and boarded. Her crew was close to surrendering when her captain, the Frisian Douwe Aukes, threatened to blow her up first. Faced with this alternative the crew rallied, drove off the English boarding team and put up such a fight that the English vessels, much damaged and two even in a sinking condition, broke off the attack. The Dutch employed their tactic of disabling enemy vessels by firing at their masts and rigging with chain shot; at the end of the afternoon Ayscue, feeling rather unsupported, decided to break off the unsuccessful engagement and to retreat to Plymouth to repair his ships before any became so damaged they would be captured. The Bonaventure could only disengage after an English fireship, the Charity commanded by Captain Simon Orton, set itself alight and frightened off the attacking Dutch vessels. De Ruyter in his journal concluded:

"If our fireships had been with us – they remained leeward – we would with the help of God have routed the enemy; but praised be God who has blessed us in that our enemy fled by himself, though 45 sails strong and of great force"

Neither side lost a warship, but both sides suffered heavy casualties among their crews. The Dutch had about sixty dead and fifty wounded. The reports on the English losses differ: one set the number as high as seven hundred casualties including the wounded (most from the failed attack on the Vogelstruys), another mentioned 91 dead, among them Ayscue's flag captain Thomas Lisle. Rear-Admiral Michael Pack had a leg amputated and shortly afterwards died of the complications. The English spent one fireship.

De Ruyter pursued the English fleet after its retreat. On the morning of the next day both forces transpired to be still close to each other and De Ruyter hoped by aggressively pursuing to capture some stragglers; several English ships were in tow and might well be abandoned if he pressed hard enough. However, Ayscue, fearing for his reputation, on 17 August convinced the English council of war to again give battle if necessary and brought his entire force safely back to Plymouth on 18 August. De Ruyter then sent two warships to escort the merchant fleet through the Channel to the Atlantic. For a while he considered trying to attack the enemy fleet at anchorage in Plymouth Sound, but in the end decided against it as he did not have the weather gauge. Then hearing that General-at-Sea Robert Blake was sailing to the west with a superior force of 72, he chose to withdraw to the west and kept assembling incoming West Indies ships throughout September. On 15 September Blake had reached Portland and sent out a squadron of eighteen sail commanded by William Penn to intercept De Ruyter, but the latter escaped east along the French coast while Blake had been forced by a storm to seek shelter in Torbay. De Ruyter escorted twelve merchantmen safely to Calais on 22 September (2 October Gregorian calendar) when his supplies had nearly run out. Shortly afterwards nine or ten of the Dutch ships, among them De Ruyter's flagship the Kleine Neptunis, then had to return to port for repairs, probably because of insufficiently repaired damage from the battle.

Loss of prestige for the English and the beginning of fame for De Ruyter
The English ships had expected to easily defeat the Dutch in a set battle because of their superiority in armament and numbers. While the failure came as an unpleasant surprise to the English, the Dutch populace rejoiced in the tactical draw, hailing De Ruyter, who had not been well known among the larger public, as a naval hero. The English accused some merchantmen captains of cowardice. Ayscue was blamed for poor leadership and organisation: his attempt to present the encounter as a victory failed to convince. He lost command after this battle, though probably for political reasons: he had known royalist sympathies. Less important was his emphasis on capturing prizes while avoiding battle; in the first year of the war this was a very common attitude, the English mainly seeing the conflict as one large privateering campaign, allowing them to gain riches at the expense of the Dutch; only with the Battle of the Gabbard would they really try to establish naval dominion.

This victory was very important to the naval career of De Ruyter: it was the first time he commanded an independent force as a fleet commander. Before, he only had had subcommand of a flotilla aiding Portugal in 1641. As a result of the battle he acquired the nickname The Sea Lion. Before he could return home, De Ruyter was first involved in the Battle of the Kentish Knock but arriving in Middelburg he was received by the States of Zealand and rewarded with a golden honorary chain of a hundred Flemish pounds for both battles because he in the first had shown "masculine courage" and in the second "courageous prudence" – having convinced Witte de With to a timely retreat.

Ships involved
No full list exists, and especially that the English order of battle is poorly known; the following are lists of known participants, with the Dutch list being the one still extant and containing the names of the original 23 warships and six fireships, with which De Ruyter sailed from the Wielingen

England (George Ayscue)
Capt. Thomas Varvell is the son-in-law of Capt. John Flower who is owner of Increase and father of Katherine Flower.
 * George 52 (flag)
 * Amity 36 (Rear-Admiral Michael Pack)
 * Success 30 (merchantman)
 * Ruth 30 (merchantman)
 * Brazil frigate 24 (merchantman)
 * Malaga Merchant 30 (merchantman)
 * Increase 36 (merchantman, Thomas Varvell)
 * Vanguard 46 (Vice-Admiral William Haddock)
 * Success 36 (William Kendall)
 * Pelican 42 (Joseph Jordan)
 * Pearl* 24 (Roger Cuttance)
 * John and Elizabeth* 26 (merchantman)
 * George Bonaventure* 20 (merchantman, John Crampe)
 * Anthony Bonaventure 36 (merchantman, Walter Hoxon)
 * Unity (merchantman)
 * Maidenhead 36 (merchantman)
 * Constant Anne (ketch)
 * Bachelor (ketch)
 * Charity (fireship, Simon Orton) – Expended

Ships marked * are probables.

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10th studio album?
The opening sentence reads “ Beggars Banquet is the 10th studio album by English rock band the Rolling Stones. Released in December 1968 by Decca Records in the United Kingdom and London Records in the United States, it is the band's seventh British and ninth American studio album.” If it’s the seventh in the UK and ninth in the US, where does the “10th” come from? WetcoastTJL (talk) 18:44, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for the reply. The message I sent you was a template, so it probably didn't get my point across as well as it could've. Basically, I removed the link on your userpage because it violated the userpage policy, more particularly - 'Advertising or promotion of a business or organization unrelated to Wikipedia (such as purely commercial sites or referral links)'. I removed the link as it appeared to simply be a referral.
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George Ayscue

Admiral Sir George Ayscue (c. 1616 – 5 April 1672) was an English naval officer who served in the English Civil War and the Anglo-Dutch Wars who rose to the rank of Admiral of the White. He also served as Governor of Scilly Isles (1647) and Governor of Barbados (1650–1652).

Biography
Ayscue (sometimes spelled Askew or Ayscough) came from an old Lincolnshire family, and was knighted by Charles I on 9 August 1641. In 1646 he received a naval command, In August 1647 he was appointed Governor of Scilly Isles a post he held until January 1647.

In July 1648, during the Civil War, while serving as a captain in the navy of the English Parliament, he was recognized as restoring sailors' allegiances at sea and later in the year given command of two vessels and promoted to Rear Admiral.

In 1649, he was appointed Admiral of the Irish Seas. In 1650 Ayscue was appointed Governor of Barbados and Commander of the squadron sent to the island. In 1651, he served with General at Sea Robert Blake in the capture of the Scilly Isles from Sir John Granville, 1st Earl of Bath. Later that year he captured Barbados from Lord Willoughby and the other English colonies in the Americas.

In the First Anglo-Dutch War he was defeated by the Dutch Commodore Michiel de Ruyter at the Battle of Plymouth. Relieved of his command, he went into service in the Swedish Navy, returning after the Restoration of Charles II. In 1664 he was appointed Rear-Admiral of the Blue Squadron. In June 1665, he was appointed Vice-Admiral of the Blue. During the Second Anglo-Dutch War he commanded a squadron at the Battle of Lowestoft in 1665.

In February 1666, he was appointed Admiral of the Blue and at the start of the Four Days' Battle in June 1666 he was elevated to the rank of Admiral of the White, his flagship, HMS Prince Royal, ran aground on the Galloper Shoal and he was forced to surrender his ship to Lieutenant-Admiral Cornelis Tromp, earning the unfortunate distinction of being the highest-ranking English naval officer to have been captured by the enemy. He was held prisoner during the war in the Dutch Loevestein Castle prison, and almost certainly never again took to sea as admiral.

In December 1671, he was the President of the Court Martial of Rear-Admiral Sir William Jennings, held on board HMS Monmouth (1667). Sir George Ayscue was still a serving officer when he died at his Westminster house on 5 April 1672. His burial was held on 13 April 1672 at St Margaret's Church, Westminster, London, England.

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The Beatles' miscellanea
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what about John Paul Jones
"...playing keyboards or bass guitar for artists including the Rolling Stones on Their Satanic Majesties Request (it's Jones' string arrangement which is heard on "She's A Rainbow")." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Paul_Jones_%28musician%29

Amongst Stones fans too young to have bought "Their Satanic Majesties Request" upon release, the album has a much better reputation. Keith Richards hates the album to this day; however, it was Bill Wyman's favorite, and Mick Jagger seems to have joined in the general reappraisal of the album.

 * That shouldn't be a criterion. This is a history article, not a music review article anyway. Jagger was the Beatles' 'gofer' - they let him into their recording sessions, he went out for fish 'n' chips for them etc, and in turn he got to steal all their ideas. And they didn't care. Everything Jagger did was a rip-off - not some artistic achievement. Jagger saying he's 'reappraised' the record is simply an attempt to get sales going again; citing this as of some importance to this HISTORIC article is meaningless.

Could somebody please give details of when the original release was (uk and usa). If the original recording was in Mono or Stereo and subsequent reissues. Also, we would like to know how to identify these different releases. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Otis66Driftwood (talk • contribs) 15:09, 20 November 2007 UTC

 * To answer some of your questions: John Paul Jones is already mentioned in the track listing. The album was originally released on 8 December 1967 (UK) and 9 December 1967 (US) and was mono – subsequent releases were stereo. Regarding identifying the different releases, this site may help you. --Bruce1ee 08:40, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Gomper
Gomper is very similar to Velvet Underground's Lady's Godiva Operation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.188.216.155 (talk) 22:55, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

The Beatles, you say?
According to this article, some or all of the Beatles performed backing vocals on She's a Rainbow... but on that song's article, it says that this is just a rumor. Which is it?--Teiladnam (talk) 15:16, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * They never performed on any of their albums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.5.5.74 (talk) 05:04, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If you listen closely to Sing This All Together there is one spot in particular where Lennon's very distinctive voice can be heard clearly coming out of the mix a bit when they sing the chorus. --MadScientistX11 (talk) 16:34, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Source that the 3d art was destroyed??
How is that the case if numerous CD reissues have restored the original 3d hologram, since the 80s? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.138.191.47 (talk) 03:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Answer: The numerous CD reissues with a lenticular cover have used the original 2-D-photograpgh, and have it artificialy converted into a semi-3-D-lenticular image. Different portions of the 2-D-photograph have been cut and put onto different layers. Say, the background with the mountains and the citadel, is a 2-D-plain, on a lyer in the background. The Stones are on a different layer, in mid-ground. Some parts in the foreground are on layer right in the foreground. In a similar way, the lenticular cover for the 2017 super deluxe anniversary set was re-created in a similar way. It's not really 3-D, but just different portions of the photograph(s) on different levels. The original 3-D-lenticular cover on the contrary, really is 3 dimensional and is much clearer and sharper than the re-creations. You need to see these covers in reality to tell the difference. Images of the various covers on discogs.com cannot reveil the differences. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.0.82.56 (talk) 15:07, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Brian Jones - No guitars?
I've just read the personnel section - is it true that Brian Jones played no guitar on this album at all? I find that extraordinary given that it was his main instrument. Or was this part of his gradual withdrawal from the group? Best Witchwooder (talk) 09:12, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * There's a conflict: The musician credits for the song "She's A Rainbow" list Brian Jones on guitar, yet the musician credits for the album as a whole do not list him as playing guitar.  Only one can be correct.  How do we reconcile?Cbben (talk) 15:13, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised as well but it could be. And I think you nailed it, this was when he was really withdrawing from the group. You can really see it in the very weird movie Sympathy for the Devil (aka one plus one) by Godard. Half the film is just a recording of the Stones in the studio working on the iconic song. It's really very cool if you are a musician watching how that song evolves from a funeral dirge to the masterpiece it turned into and one of the things you see is Brian is always off literally walled off in a corner of acoustic walls barely participating or being noticed by the rest of the group. Sigh, makes me sad just thinking about it, such an amazing and creative guy. It's one of the reasons I actually like this album so much... even if Brian didn't play guitar between the sitar, sax, xylophone, and countless other instruments he added an incredible creative dimension to the band and I think it really shows on this album. --MadScientistX11 (talk) 16:40, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

George Starostin - Vandalism?
Why has the link to George Starostin's review page been classified as vandalism? If no-one objects, I am going to reinstate it. Best Witchwooder (talk) 08:48, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The consensus has not changed since this discussion in 2009. Your contributions Those edits, BTW, should not have been labelled vandalism.  R ad io pa th y  •talk•  00:40, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks R ad io pa th y , I've learned something new today. I have a suspicion that I've used George elsewhere. I'll find them and remove them. Best Witchwooder (talk) 08:23, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

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Renée of France

Renée of France (25 October 1510 – 12 June 1574), was Duchess of Ferrara from 31 October 1534 until 3 October 1559 by marriage to Ercole II d'Este, grandson of Pope Alexander VI. She was the younger surviving child of Louis XII of France and the duchess regnant Anne of Brittany. In her later life, she became an important supporter of the Protestant Reformation and ally of John Calvin.

Background
Renée was born on 25 October 1510 at the Château de Blois, Blois, Touraine and was the second daughter of Louis XII of France and Anne of Brittany. Anne, who had always fought fiercely to keep Brittany independent of the French crown, tried to will the duchy to Renée, but Louis prevented this, passing the duchy to her elder sister, Claude.

Renee's early education was undertaken by her governess, Michelle de Saubonne, Madame de Soubise. Saubonne was a partisan of Anne of Brittany and opposed to Anne's enemy, Louise of Savoy, so after the death of Renée's parents, Louise and her son, Francis I of France, had Saubonne sacked. Renée never forgot this, and when she married, she took Saubonne with her.

In return for renouncing her claims to the Duchy of Brittany, Renée was granted the Duchy of Chartres by Francis. She was considered as a possible bride for King Henry VIII.

Duchess of Ferrara
Renée was married in April 1528 to Ercole II, Duke of Ferrara, eldest son of Alfonso I d'Este and Lucrezia Borgia. By this marriage, she became known as Renata di Francia. Renée received from Francis I an ample dowry and annuity. Thus the court that she assembled about her in Ferrara, in the 1530s and 1540s, corresponded to the tradition which the cultivation of science and art implicitly required, including scholars like Bernardo Tasso and Fulvio Pellegrino Morato. Poets Clément Marot and Vittoria Colonna, and reformists Bernardo Ochino and John Calvin, were also present at her court.

On 31 October 1534, her father-in-law died and Ercole succeeded to the throne. Hardly had he rendered his oath of allegiance to Pope Paul III when he turned against the French at his own court, many of whom had been brought by Renee. Both their number and influence displeased him; and, besides, he found them too expensive; so he by direct or indirect means secured their dismissal, including the poet Clément Marot. And while the Curia was urging the duke to put away the French that were suspected of heresy against Catholicism, there came to Ferrara the Protestant theologian John Calvin, whose journey to Italy must have fallen in March and April 1536. Calvin passed several weeks at the court of Renée in the summer of 1536. As a result of Renée's patronage, Calvin's opus magnum circulated at the court: the Institutes of the Christian Religion, in two Latin editions (1536, 1539). This was at a time when the persecution of Protestants had already begun in the area. Among those arrested and tried by the Inquisition were Jehannet, a chorister, Cornillan, an attendant of the duchess, and Bouchefort, a priest from Tournay. The Inquisition also arrested a "man of small stature" who escaped, but this was the poet Marot, not Calvin.

Heresy trial
Renée was in correspondence with a very large number of Protestants abroad, and with intellectual sympathizers like Vergerio, Camillo Renato, Giulio di Milano, and Francis Dryander. On two or three occasions, about 1550 or later, she partook of the Eucharist in the Protestant manner together with her daughters and fellow believers. Meanwhile, notwithstanding its external splendor, her life had grown sad. The last of her French guests, the daughter and son-in-law of Madame de Soubise of Pons, were sent away in 1543 by the duke. The Counter-Reformation, which had been operative in Rome since 1542, led to the introduction of a special court of the Inquisition at Ferrara, in 1545. In 1550 and 1551, this court imposed death sentences on Protestant sympathizers (Fanino Fanini of Faenza and Giorgio Siculo), who were executed by the secular arm.

Finally, Duke Ercole lodged an accusation against Renée before her nephew King Henry II of France. Through the Inquisitor Ortiz, whom the king charged with this errand, Renée was arrested as a heretic, and declared forfeit of all possessions unless she recanted. She resisted steadfastly for some time, until her two daughters were taken away from her, supposedly forever. As a condition for being reunited with her children, she yielded and made confession on 23 September 1554. Subsequently, however, she refused to attend mass, which for her was a form of blasphemy.

Return to France
Renée's longing to return home was not satisfied until a year after the death of her husband on 3 October 1559. In France she found her eldest daughter's husband Francis, Duke of Guise, at the head of the Catholic party. His power was broken by the death of his nephew Francis II in December 1560, so that Renée was able to provide Protestant worship at her estate Montargis, engaging a capable preacher by application to Calvin. She acted as a benefactress for the surrounding Protestants, making her castle a refuge for them when the first phase French Wars of Religion began in 1562.

Again, her conduct won Calvin's praise (10 May 1563), and she is one of the frequently recurring figures in his correspondence of that period. He repeatedly shows recognition of her intervention in behalf of the Evangelical cause; and one of his last writings in the French tongue, dispatched from his deathbed (4 April 1564), is addressed to her.

While Renée continued unmolested in the second phase of the wars (1567), in the third phase (1568–70) her castle was no longer respected as an asylum for Protestants. On the other hand, she succeeded in rescuing a number of them from the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre, when she happened to be in Paris. The Catholic forces left her personally undisturbed at that time, though Catherine de' Medici still sought to move her to retract, a demand which she ignored.

Children
With Ercole II she had:
 * Anna d'Este, 16 November 1531 – 1607, married firstly, Francis, Duke of Guise until 1563, married secondly Jacques de Savoie, 2nd Duc de Nemours
 * Alfonso II, Duke of Ferrara, 22 November 1533 – 1597
 * Lucrezia Maria d'Este, 16 December 1535 – 1598, married Francesco Maria II della Rovere, Duke of Urbino.
 * Eleonore d'Este, 1537–1581
 * Luigi d'Este, 21 December 1538 – 1586, Bishop of Ferrara and Archbishop of Auch

Renee was widowed in 1559. As a result of being on bad terms with her son, Alfonso, she returned to France in 1560 and settled in Montargis, where she then died on 12 June 1575.

title: Renée of France