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Karl-Hermann Flach

Karl-Hermann Flach (October 17, 1929 – August 25, 1973) was a German journalist of the Frankfurter Rundschau and a politician of the liberal Free Democrats (FDP).

Flach was born in Königsberg. He became a member of the liberal LDP (in the Soviet zone of Germany) and worked in 1948/1949 for the LDP newspaper Norddeutsche Zeitung in Schwerin. In October 1949 he fled to West Berlin and became a member of the FDP. In 1949-1953 he studied political science at the German School of Politics, which is now the Otto Suhr Institute.

In 1956 he started to work for the federal headquarters of the party and had important campaign jobs in 1957 and 1961. But in 1962 he left the party organisation for the Frankfurter Rundschau, a leading newspaper then considered liberal. From 1971 on he worked again for the FDP, this time as secretary-general of chairman Walter Scheel. Being elected to the Bundestag in 1972 he became vice chairman of the Bundestag party.

Flach died prematurely in Frankfurt, aged 43, in 1973 after having suffered a stroke a month before.

Flach belonged to the left wing of his party and is considered an important contributor to social liberalism. He was one of the authors of the left liberal Freiburger Thesen, a programmatic paper the party accepted at its congress in October 1971. The stand for the turn to the left the party started in 1968 to become more independent from the conservatives and have a coalition with the social democrats (1969–1982).

He has been honoured with several prizes for his work as a journalist. Later came a foundation and a prize named after him.

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User:Simonides/Intro

Intro
I joined on 16th June, 2004 after reading an article on Wilhelm Reich that needed correction. I then created an article on Cavafy, the Greek poet, because I couldn't find one on him (but have since discovered one, which I incorporated into mine). In my first flush of enthusiasm I also created articles on Henri Michaux, Dubravka Ugresic and Yuri Olesha, without writing much. It's been downhill since then. I've been sucked into the pedant's whirlpool of Suggestions, Critiques, and Edits. You can also check out my personal sandbox to see what I may be fiddling with now, or to get me busy on something I probably don't have time for :).

Help needed
I've personally restructured the Catalogue of Wikiprojects, and I would like co-operation and assistance with three areas:
 * subsuming all Lists of Writers, Philosophers, etc under a giant index of major writers, for which I need
 * someone to help with creating, sorting and editing all the copious data for the lists;
 * agreement on a system of distribution for these lists among the appropriate categories;
 * standardization of the lists everywhere they occur;
 * structuring all related articles in a Wikiproject according to a single format - ex. Summary, Bio, Works, External Links, Bibliography. Bibliographies must not contain ISBNs;
 * researching and expanding all articles to include (at the very least) authoritative points of view, politically sensitive terminology, and awareness of international and historical traditions. All articles here are tremendously skewed towards conventional Anglo-American perspectives; while this is understandable to some extent, there are innumerable blatant ommissions that are tremendously disappointing to anyone with a wider knowledge of the field in question.

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Compaq tc1000

The TC1000 is a 10.4" laplet designed by Compaq, before it was purchased by HP. It used the Transmeta Crusoe processor. Unlike many other tablet PCs of its time (which can only operate either in a traditional laptop configuration, or with the keyboard folded behind the screen), the display is fully detachable from the keyboard. The product was developed and manufactured using ODM model from LG Electronics, Inc. of South Korea.

The TC1000 was replaced by the HP Compaq TC1100 which features a faster Pentium M processor and an integrated digitizer from Wacom (the TC1000 used a Finepoint digitizer which required a AAAA battery and lacked pressure-input, being binary on/off only), among other small upgrades.

The TC1000 comes with Windows XP Tablet PC Edition but it is capable of running Linux.

A restore CD is available on the Internet Archive to restore the machine to its factory configuration.

Design Awards
The TC1000 has won numerous industrial design awards. These include:
 * 2003 IDEA Bronze Award
 * 2003 IF Product Design Award
 * 2003 ID Magazine Honorable Mention (http://www.idonline.com/)
 * 2003 Good Design Award

Reviews
C/Net Review is mixed.

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Talk:Metropolitan borough

Not boroughs?
Are there in fact any metropolitan districts that aren't boroughs or cities? 80.229.39.194 08:37, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * I don't think so, looking at this: 81.156.111.149 08:17, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Capitals
I've got sick of Capitalizing "Metropolitan Borough" all over the place, just to find it revert back later. Anyone up to the job writing some code to auto-capitalize in correct gramatical English, Article Titles etc? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.33.158.182 (talk) 00:04, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * but they're not proper nouns; county isn't a proper noun any more than town is — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.149.241.58 (talk) 14:59, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The word "county" used alone isn't a proper noun, but the three-word phrase "County of Oxfordshire" is. -- Red rose64 🌹 (talk) 09:15, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was consensus at the end of the discussion seems to be not to move but to put in a wp:hatnote --PBS (talk) 19:41, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Metropolitan borough → Metropolitan district — I would suggest moving this to metropolitan district (as this is their definition in law) and also creating a separate article for the County of London section, plus aknowledging that "metropolitan borough" was a term widely used for parliamentary constituencies in the London area prior to 1889.

This would make Metropolitan Borough a dab page with links to: Lozleader (talk) 11:54, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Metropolitan district
 * 2) Metropolitan boroughs of London 1900 - 1965
 * 3) Parliamentary constituencies of the Metropolis
 * Support — Sounds reasonable, and seems to be supported by the references in the article. — V = I * R  (talk) 21:44, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Support — as nominated. MRSC (talk) 08:16, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Question — mapmark The term "Metropolitan Borough" is still widely used in the UK. The authorities in West Midlands, Greater Manchester and S Yorks are still using the term extensively. While "Metropolitan District" indeed receives 20% more hits on Google, and appears to have taken hold in the former West Yorks County, many of the results are the American use of the term and there are still over a million referalls to the (former) Met Borough status. I simply question whether or not such a re-naming is necessary considering the current usage and historical significance of the Met Borough as an urban area (as opposed to the older non-met districts etc). It's just not as simple as it appears. If it does get changed it would certainly be misleading NOT to have a DAB link to "Metropolitan Borough" because they did exist, were well known of as such in the major conurbations outside London and are still widely referred to as such.--Mapmark (talk) 15:06, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ummm. Not quite sure what the question is.... There is no question that "Metropolitan Borough" is a current term used in the majority of the 36 metropolitan districts (due to them having charters). All of them had become boroughs by 1975. It appears that the "Met District" tag is used in those W Yorks boroughs that have city status. Why they do this is anyone's guess. Could be they want to emphasise their "metropolitan-ness", the designation "metropolitan city" not really being very elegant or in agreement with their letters patent.
 * The point I wanted to make was that there are three different meanings for the term "metropolitan borough", and one does not particularly deserve precedence over the others. One meaning is completely missing. For instance, a reader of The Times in 1885 will read that a number of new metropolitan boroughs were being created. On consulting Wikipedia he would discover they are "a type of local government district in England... created in 1974" or, as an afterthought, that the term "was previously used from 1900 to 1965, for the subdivisions of the County of London". Hardly illuminating.
 * Perhaps Metropolitan borough should be a DAB page linked to three articles. The question then arises of what to call them! I take the point that Metropolitan District appears to be widely in use on the other side of the Atlantic, so perhaps Metropolitan districts of England? Lozleader (talk) 16:15, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see any problem with using the article name metropolitan district. I can't think of any non-metropolitan districts that refer to themselves, or are referred to, that way. We still rightly have the article located at non-metropolitan district. MRSC (talk) 18:13, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe a merged article Metropolitan and non-metropolitan districts of England (similar to Metropolitan and non-metropolitan counties of England). The two kinds of districts are often defined in contrast to one another so perhaps a combined article would work? MRSC (talk) 18:18, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This is all very interesting but does not really lend much support to renaming the article (and effectively losing any mention of the Met Borough on WP. I still think the point is being missed that outside London in the six (former) met counties, the term Metropolitan Borough is still widespread so surely there is no need to rename the article? --Mapmark (talk) 23:36, 26 August 2009 (UTC)Mapmark
 * I'll freely admit that I may be being a bit dense, but I don't think anyone is trying to remove the term "Metropolitan Borough" from Wikipedia, simply to reflect that it has three distinct meanings depending on context. I think we have got a bit lazy on Wikipedia by referring to all the met districts as "metropolitan boroughs" without checking our sources, and perhaps thereby engaging in a little original research. There is, for instance, no "Metropolitan Borough of Birmingham". You will however find references to a "Metropolitan District of Birmingham" in statutory sources. Metropolitan District is the correct term, and we should reflect this at some point. They differ, for instance, from London Boroughs, which have that "borough" title under the legislation that created them. Anyway, as I see it, we can either 1.) improve this article and give proper coverage to the three entities or 2.) create a DAB page and link three articles one of which would cover the current Met Districts or 3.) restructure the current article so that it only covers the current met boroughs, and put a dablink at the top similar to:

 * I'm not keen on the first option as it would make for a clumsy lead and create an article about three completely different things that happen to share the same name. Option 2.) seems better to me, then option 3.) but I'm just one editor.Lozleader (talk) 11:08, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Tentative support per nom. Although also see logic in the dab-page mentioned above. --Jza84 | Talk  10:31, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment The problem I have with this is that, outside West Yorkshire, nobody refers to them as Metropolitan Districts. Technically they are, but then technically even those that are Cities are also Metropolitan Boroughs and Metropolitan Districts.  Both Manchester City Council and Salford City Council frequently refer to themselves, in appropriate circumstances, as one of the ten Metropolitan Boroughs in Greater Manchester.  On balance, I think Option 3 is the better option, though I'd rephrase it slightly:

 * I would be careful about the argument that we should move them to Metropolitan District as that is their definition by law. Logic would then dictate that we move Municipal Boroughs to Urban Districts, as that is what they were defined as in the Local Government Act 1894.  Skinsmoke (talk) 02:54, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, that seems a reasonable way of dealing with it. I think we have to sit out the seven day period for discussion and we're only on six, but as the instigator I would go with that.Lozleader (talk) 09:13, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

effectively unitary authorities
Aren't they actually unitary authorities, the met boro status being a fond fiction like the met counties? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:5988:EC00:DD15:2186:E814:1DF6 (talk) 14:39, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * In practice they serve the same function as unitary authority areas, but legally they are metropolitan districts (all with borough status). --  Dr Greg  talk 15:15, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

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Institut de Physique du Globe de Paris

The Institut de Physique du Globe de Paris - Université de Paris (IPGP, University of Paris; French for "Paris Institute of Earth Physics") is a French governmental, non-profit research and higher education establishment located in Paris, dedicated to the study of earth and planetary sciences by combining observations, laboratory analysis and construction of conceptual analogical and numerical models.

IPGP is part of CNRS (UMR 7154) and University Paris-Diderot. It is the second largest CNRS research unit in France. The institute has 14 research divisions and 6 observatories. IPGP is also in charge by the French government of monitoring the active volcanoes on French territories in addition to the management of the worldwide network of seismological stations GEOSCOPE, and a major contribution to the worldwide network of magnetic observatories Intermagnet. IPGP maintains permanent volcanologic observatories on the islands of Réunion (Piton de la Fournaise), Guadeloupe (La Soufrière), and Martinique (Mount Pelée). The institute also maintains several analytical facilities in applied geophysics as well as a park of a variety of geophysical instruments.

IPGP maintains three campuses in the Paris area. Until 2010, its main headquarters location is inside the Jussieu Campus in the 5th arrondissement of Paris. After 2010, it moved into a state of the art dedicated facility adjacent to the Jussieu Campus, in front of the Jardin des Plantes. IPGP has a second campus located in Paris-Diderot University in the 13th arrondissement of Paris where the geodesy and space sciences research, and undergrad teaching are done. The third campus is located 6 km to the east of Paris where it conducts space and planetary science activities ranging from building geophysical space instruments and sensors to planetary data analysis. IPGP maintain a staff of nearly 500 persons.

The lead investigator (P.I.) for the seismometer instrument on the international space mission to Mars, InSight (launched 2018) is from this institute. Seismic Experiment for Interior Structure (SEIS) is a seismometer intended to operate on the surface of the planet Mars, hopefully increasing understanding of that planet and in turn the solar system and Earth interiors.

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Sonatina

A sonatina (French: “sonatine”, German: “Sonatine") is a small sonata. As a musical term, sonatina has no single strict definition; it is rather a title applied by the composer to a piece that is in basic sonata form, but is shorter and lighter in character, or technically more elementary, than a typical sonata. The term has been in use at least since the late baroque; there is a one-page, one-movement harpsichord piece by Handel called "Sonatina". It is most often applied to solo keyboard works, but a number of composers have written sonatinas for violin and piano (see list under violin sonata), for example the Sonatina in G major for Violin and Piano by Antonín Dvořák, and occasionally for other instruments, for example the Clarinet Sonatina by Malcolm Arnold.

Term
The title "Sonatina" was used occasionally by J. S. Bach for short orchestral introductions to large vocal works, as in his cantata Gottes Zeit ist die allerbeste Zeit, BWV 106, a practice with precedent in the work of the earlier German composer Nicolaus Bruhns. This is the only sense in which Bach used the term sonatina, although he composed many chamber and solo sonatas for various instruments.

As with many musical terms, sonatina is used inconsistently. The most common meaning is a short, easy sonata suitable for students, such as the piano sonatinas of Clementi. However, by no means are all sonatinas technically undemanding, for example the virtuoso sonatinas of Busoni and Alkan, and the Sonatine of Ravel, whose title reflects its neo-classical quality. On the other hand, some sonatas could equally have been called sonatinas: for example Beethoven's Op. 49, titled by the composer "Zwei Leichte Sonaten für das Pianoforte" ("Two Easy Sonatas for Piano") comprise only two short movements each, a sonata-allegro and a short rondo (No. 1) or minuet (No. 2), all well within the grasp of the intermediate student. However, other works titled "Sonatina", such as the Sonatinas in G and in F major, have been attributed to Beethoven.

Form
In general, a sonatina will have one or more of the following characteristics: brevity; fewer movements than the four of the late classical sonata; technical simplicity; a lighter, less serious character; and (in post-romantic music) a neo-classical style or a reference to earlier music. Muzio Clementi's sonatinas op. 36 are very popular among students.

The first (or only) movement is generally in an abbreviated sonata form, with little or no development of the themes. For this reason, a sonatina is sometimes defined, especially in British usage, as a short piece in sonata form in which the development section is quite perfunctory or entirely absent: the exposition is followed immediately by a brief bridge passage to modulate back to the home key for the recapitulation. Subsequent movements (at most two) may be in any of the common forms, such as a minuet or scherzo, a slow theme-and-variations, or a rondo.

For solo piano

 * Alexander Borodin
 * Alexander Goedicke
 * Alexandre Tansman
 * Anton Diabelli
 * Aram Khachaturian (1959)
 * Béla Bartók – Sonatina (1915)
 * Ludwig van Beethoven – Sonatina in G major (Anh.5 No.1, attributed)
 * Ludwig van Beethoven – Sonatina in F major (Anh.5 No.2, attributed)
 * Camargo Guarnieri
 * Charles-Valentin Alkan – Sonatina in A minor, Op.61 (1861)
 * Carl Czerny
 * Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach
 * Charles Koechlin
 * Erik Satie
 * Ferruccio Busoni
 * Francisco Mignone
 * Frank Lynes
 * Franz Joseph Haydn
 * Friedrich Kuhlau
 * Fritz Spindler
 * Geghuni Chitchian — Sonatina (1987)
 * George Frideric Handel
 * Heinrich Lichner

 * Ignaz Pleyel
 * Jan Ladislav Dussek
 * Jean Sibelius
 * John Ireland – Sonatina (1926–27)
 * Lars-Erik Larsson — Sonatina No. 1, Op. 16 (1938)
 * Lars-Erik Larsson — Sonatina No. 2
 * Lars-Erik Larsson — Sonatina No. 3, Op. 41 (1950)
 * Maurice Ravel (1905)
 * Mikis Theodorakis – Sonatina
 * Muzio Clementi
 * Osvaldo Lacerda
 * Stephen Heller
 * Swan Hennessy (Op. 43, 1911)
 * Tigran Mansurian — Sonatina No. 1 (1963)
 * Tigran Mansurian — Sonatina No. 2 (1987)
 * Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart – "Six Viennese Sonatinas" (1805)
 * Zdeněk Fibich

For instrumental duos

 * Antonín Dvořák – Sonatina for violin and piano (1893)
 * Bohuslav Martinů – Sonatina for clarinet and piano (1956)
 * Walter Piston – Sonatina for violin and harpsichord (1945)
 * Mikis Theodorakis – 2 Sonatinas for violin and piano

Other sonatinas

 * Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky Serenade for Strings, 1st movement "Pezzo in forma di sonatina" (1880)

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User talk:SWAdair/Keepers

This page is a collection of statements from Wikipedians that I've come across and wanted to preserve for one reason or another. Some are well-phrased summations of an idea, others amusing. If you stumble upon this page (probably through Recent Changes, as I'm not advertising it anywhere), enjoy.

Oh, and if you can't tell, I do spend a fair amount of time on VfD. You get some of the best quotes from there.

From VfD -- "Delete, not notable, and as with other such truck, it is incumbent upon the original author to provide sufficient content to justify an article on obscure subjects." UninvitedCompany

From VfD -- "A single article could cover all of the actual substance of most articles on schools, including this one. There's nothing here that provides it with any meaningful separation from any other middle school. Take out the utterly generic bits and you're left with an address, the name of the principal, and two sentences on where it got its uninspired name." -- Cyrius|✎

From VfD -- "I didn't realize quite how strange the world is until I found Wikipedia." Ianb

From a VfD discussion where the sub-stub in question was about an alias of a Mossad agent -- "Delete, I can't verify this." -- Cyrius|✎

From VfD -- "Started by 'god', eh? Non-notable, vanity, advertisement, substub.  Why does this article still exist?  Delete." --Ardonik

From the block log --
 * 16:09, 20 Mar 2005 Curps blocked "User:BlockMyWorthlessAss" with an expiry time of indefinite (per request)

From the deletion log --
 * 20:18, 12 May 2005 Pending deletion script deleted "Template:Pending deletion" (Was marked with )

From Votes_for_deletion/Mishing --
 * "The result of the debate was deleted with a very large axe." -- Cyrius|✎

From Talk:National University of San Marcos:
 * "Wikipedia is based on an elaborate structure of agreed-upon conventions for the sake of unity and consistency... We can't have editors unilaterally insisting on their own way of doing things. Wikipedia may be a "free" encyclopedia, but with that freedom comes a certain responsibility, and that is to respect its fundamental collaborative spirit of the project. In other words, Wikipedia is "free" in the sense that anyone may contribute, but it is not free in the sense that a user is at libety to contribute anything; contributions, no matter how insignificant, must adhere to our editorial standards..." -- User:Viajero 10:31, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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User:Simonides/Peeves

Lack of consistency
I believe all or most members should be using the Wikiprojects to smooth out the reckless, incomplete and unorganized categories, lists, and unformatted or stubbed or forgotten articles that infest Wikipedia.

ISBNs
I wrote this earlier at the Village Pump (spread the word!): ''I am quite opposed to the idea of using ISBNs, because they are misleading. An ISBN usually points to a single edition of a book, not to a title - the edition may be out of print, it may only be available in a certain country, it may be more expensive, it may be harder to find than other widely available editions, it may be out of date, it may not be in the original language, and so on. I think everyone should include only the title and authors, and the year of printing should refer either to 1) year of copyright on latest paperback copy or 2) year of copyright on first printing (perhaps both) and the language should be specified (ex. do not include original copyright year of German publication for a translated English title.)''
 * I also remembered that ISBNs were introduced in 1970 - anything published earlier that was not reprinted would not have an ISBN and would require a bibliographic record anyway.
 * I think ISBNs are acceptable if you can be sure there is only one edition of that work around, ex. the ISBN of a Loeb Classics volume which is not available in any other format or from other publishers.

Americocentrism, or more subtly Anglo-Americocentrism

 * Reason and Reactionaries
 * Rinse and Repeat
 * Even more chest beating!

Modern Library

 * Stupid rankings

POV pushers

 * (Also above)
 * (etc)
 * Request for Mediation with a bunch of ..., documentation below
 * Talk:Anti-Semitism
 * Talk:Anti-Semitism_%28archive_9%29
 * Talk:Anti-Semitism_%28archive_10%29
 * Talk:Anti-Semitism_%28archive_11%29
 * Talk:Anti-Semitism_%28archive_12%29
 * Talk:Anti-Semitism_%28archive_13%29
 * Talk:Anti-Semitism_%28archive_14%29
 * Talk:Anti-Zionism
 * Talk:Anti-Zionism/Archive_4
 * Talk:Media_coverage_of_the_Israeli-Palestinian_conflict
 * Talk:Media_coverage_of_the_Israeli-Palestinian_conflict/archive_1
 * Talk:Modern_anti-Semitism
 * Requests_for_comment/RK2
 * Requests_for_arbitration/RK
 * On my Talk page too

Using foreign titles where ones in English have long been in use
I do NOT enjoy correcting redirects. Preferring the English title to the foreign one is Wikipedia policy!

Lack of user-friendly approaches to sorting basic information

 * See 2), 3)

Useless search function

 * Re:Litefantastic

More coming soon

 * Reluctance to work on and/or slow response to new possibilities and initiatives

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Dirk Verhofstadt

Dirk Verhofstadt (born 25 August 1955 in Dendermonde) is a Belgian social liberal (Rawlsian) theorist and younger brother of former Belgian Prime Minister and former ALDE European Parliament Leader Guy Verhofstadt. He has a keen interest in political philosophy, and his philosophical outlook is influenced by Karl Popper, John Stuart Mill, Cesare Beccaria, Thomas Paine, Amartya Sen and Martha Nussbaum.

Education
He graduated in law and press- and communication sciences, and obtained a PhD in moral philosophy at the University of Ghent. He was professor Media and ethics at the University of Ghent until 2020.

On 1 July 2010 he obtained the degree of Doctor of Moral Science at the University of Ghent with his doctoral dissertation "Pius XII and the extermination of the Jews. A moral and historical research into the moral responsibility of Pope Pius XII regarding the Final Solution to the Jewish Question."

Think tank
He is a member of Liberales, an independent think tank within the liberal movement. Its members consider liberalism as a progressive movement supporting individual freedom, justice and human rights. Liberales reacts against what it calls "narrow minded conservatism" related to social economic, ecological and ethical issues supported by "compartmentalized" parties and structures.

Writings
With his book Het menselijk liberalisme (Human Liberalism), he inspires politicians in Belgian liberal parties as well as in the Dutch parties Volkspartij voor Vrijheid en Democratie and Democraten 66. He defends liberalism against attacks by anti-globalists, by stating that liberalism implies/should imply solidarity and that green politics is not contradictory to liberalism. He wrote the books Pleidooi voor het individualisme (A Plea for Individualism) and De derde feministische golf (The Third Feminist Wave), much of it focusing on Islamic feminism and its impact in Europe. This book contains exclusive interviews with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Irshad Manji, Naima El Bezaz,, and Yasmine Allas.

On 26 September 2008, he released his new book Pius XII and the extermination of the Jews in the Dutch language. In this book, he examines the position of Pacelli, the later Pius XII, towards Adolf Hitler’s seizure of power, the downfall of the Catholic Zentrumspartei, the Reichskonkordat between Nazi-Germany and the Vatican, the encyclical Mit brennender Sorge (With Burning Concern), paganism, the Nazist education programs, the ‘T4-program’ (the murder of physically and mentally handicapped persons), the invasion of Poland, Operation Barbarossa, the Jews in the Netherlands, priest-president Jozef Tiso of Slovakia, the Ustasha in Independent State of Croatia, the deportation of Jews from Rome, the Hungarian Holocaust, the help offered to war criminals, the resistance against Nazism, the alleged refusal of the Church to "give back Jewish" children who had been in hiding, the failures of the Allies, alleged antisemitism after the Holocaust, and the moral question of alleged guilt of the Church and the pope.

In November 2019 he published the book ''Ide Leib Kartuz. Tailor in Auschwitz'' with David Van Turnhout as co-author. In July 2022 the English version A Tailor in Auschwitz was published by Pen & Sword Books. In 2021 he published the book Chef in IG-Auschwitz with Anne Van Paemel as co-author. In 2022 he wrote the book Diary 1933 about the danger of the extreme right emerging worldwide. In 2024 he published the book ''KZ syndrome. A scar that never goes away'' with Henri Heimans as co-author, about two people who survived the concentration camps Ravensbrück, Auschwitz, Mauthausen and Ebensee.

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Juan Carlos Zabala

Juan Carlos Zabala (October 11, 1911 – January 24, 1983), also known as "El Ñandú Criollo", was an Argentine long-distance runner, who won the marathon at the 1932 Summer Olympics.

Biography
Zabala ran his first marathon at the end of October 1931. Ten days after that he set a new world record in the 30 km (1:42:30.4). Later, before the 1936 Summer Olympics, Zabala would run a new world record in the 20 km (1:04:00.2).

Zabala's peak was the 1932 Olympic marathon race. He ran in the lead group almost the entire distance. With just four kilometres left, he broke free to finish 20 seconds ahead of Sam Ferris from Great Britain. Zabala also participated at the 1936 Summer Olympics, placing sixth over 10,000 m, but could not defend his Olympic title in the marathon. Zabala took the lead from the start, but tripped and fell at 28 km, and abandoned the race after 33 km when the main group caught him.

Zabala was the flag bearer for Argentina at the opening ceremony of the 1936 Summer Olympics. In 1983 he was named as Argentina's track and field athlete of the century.

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Chinese head tax

The Chinese head tax was a fixed fee charged to each Chinese person entering Canada. The head tax was first levied after the Canadian parliament passed the Chinese Immigration Act of 1885 and it was meant to discourage Chinese people from entering Canada after the completion of the Canadian Pacific Railway (CPR). The tax was abolished by the Chinese Immigration Act of 1923, which outright prevented all Chinese immigration except for that of business people, clergy, educators, students, and some others.

Tax
Through the mid- to late 19th century, some 17,000 labourers were brought from China to do construction work on the Canadian Pacific Railway (CPR), though they were paid a third or a half less than their co-workers (about CA$1/day). Once the Canadian Pacific Railway was completed, the demand for cheap labour was non-existent, so the provincial legislature of British Columbia passed a strict law to virtually prevent Chinese immigration in 1885. However, this was immediately struck down by the courts as ultra vires ("beyond the powers") of the provincial legislative assembly, as it impinged upon federal jurisdiction over immigration into Canada. A similar attempt had been made a year before, and another one was made in 1878 to tax every Chinese over the age of 12 the sum of taxed $10 every three months.

Responding to the anti-immigration sentiment in British Columbia, the Canadian government of John A. Macdonald introduced the Chinese Immigration Act, which became law in 1885. Under its regulations, the law stipulated that all Chinese people entering Canada must first pay a CA$50 fee, later referred to as a head tax. This was amended in 1887, 1892, and 1900, with the fee increasing to CA$100 in 1900 and later to its maximum of CA$500 in 1903, representing a two-year salary of an immigrant worker at that time.

However, not all Chinese arrivals had to pay the head tax; those who were better off financially and presumed to return to China based on the apparent, transitory nature of their occupation or background were exempt from the penalty. These included arrivals identifying themselves as: students, teachers, missionaries, merchants, or members of the diplomatic corps.

The Government of Canada collected about CA$23 million ($ in dollars) in face value from about 81,000 head tax payers. The head tax did discourage Chinese women and children from joining their men, but it failed to meet its goal, articulated by contemporary politicians and labour leaders, of the complete exclusion of Chinese immigration. That was achieved through the same law that ended the head tax: the Chinese Immigration Act of 1923, which stopped Chinese immigration, but with certain exemptions for business owners and others. It is sometimes referred to by opponents as the Chinese Exclusion Act, a term also used for its American counterpart.

Redress
After the Chinese Immigration Act was repealed in 1948, various community leaders including Wong Foon Sien campaigned for the federal government to open immigration policies for the Chinese community.

However, the concept of a redress movement did not begin until 1984, when Vancouver Member of Parliament (MP) Margaret Mitchell raised the issue of repaying the Chinese Head Tax for two of her constituents in the House of Commons of Canada after the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms had been proclaimed and entrenched in the Constitution Act, 1982.

Over 4,000 other head tax payers and their family members were eventually registered by the Chinese Canadian National Council (CCNC) and its member organizations across Canada, after the issue gathered broad public attention on the CJVB radio program, Chinese Voice, hosted by Richmond, British Columbia, personality Hanson Lau in February 1984.

The redress campaign included holding community meetings, gathering support from other groups and prominent people, increasing the media profile, conducting research and published materials, making presentations at schools, etc.

In 1989, Chinese Canadian National Council, the longtime advocate for the head Tax redress, suffered a split after the Tiananmen Square Massacre, which saw the formation of a competing group, the National Congress of Chinese Canadians (NCCC).

1990s: preliminary negotiations
In 1993, Conservative prime minister Brian Mulroney made an offer of individual medallions, a museum wing, and other collective measures that would also include several other redress-seeking communities. These were rejected outright by the Chinese Canadian national groups.

However, in the same year, after Jean Chrétien became prime minister, the newly elected Liberal government openly refused to provide an apology or redress at all with the Multiculturalism Minister Sheila Finestone announcing in a letter, the following year, that the government "cannot rewrite history" and would not grant financial compensation or redress to groups for past injustices. Instead, the letter reaffirmed $24 million in financing for a Canadian Race Relations Foundation, an idea raised by the previous Conservative government.

The CCNC and a number of regional groups across Canada continued to raise the issue whenever they could, including a submission to the United Nations Human Rights Commission and undertaking court action against the Crown-in-Council, arguing that the federal Crown should not be profiting from racism, and that it had a responsibility under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and international human rights law.

CA$1.2 billion legal challenge
In a CA$1.2 billion legal challenge led by the CCNC, it was argued that the apology and compensation for the internment of Japanese Canadians during the Second World War, offered by the government in 1988, established a precedent for redressing other racially motivated policies. However, the Ontario court declared in its 2001 decision that the Government of Canada had no obligation to redress the head tax levied on Chinese immigrants because the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms had no retroactive application and the case of the internment of Japanese Canadians was not a legal precedent. Two subsequent appeals in 2002 and 2003 were also unsuccessful.

Following the legal setbacks, community activism resumed once again across the country. Several regional and national events had been organized to revitalize the redress campaign, including opening discussions with opposition parties, led by groups in Edmonton and Montreal, which later formed the Chinese Canadian Redress Alliance alongside the CCNC.

When Paul Martin won the leadership of the federal Liberal Party and became prime minister in 2003, there was a sense of urgency in the Chinese Canadian community as it became clear that there were perhaps only a few dozen surviving Chinese Head Tax payers left, along with potentially a few hundred spouses or widows.

2004: recommendations and report of the United Nations rapporteur
In 2004, Doudou Diène, the United Nations special rapporteur on Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance, concluded that Canada should redress the head tax to Chinese Canadians in response to a submission by May Chiu, legal counsel to the Chinese Canadian Redress Alliance. The Report's recommendations once again drew national and international attention to the Chinese Canadian redress campaign. In 2005, Gim Wong, an 82-year-old son of two head tax payers and a World War II veteran, conducted a cross-country Ride for Redress on his Honda Gold Wing motorcycle, whereupon his arrival in Ottawa Prime Minister Paul Martin refused to meet him.

2005: failed Bill C-333
On November 17, 2005, the National Congress of Chinese Canadians (NCCC) announced in a turn of events that an agreement had been reached between 11 of its member Chinese-Canadian groups and the federal Cabinet, wherein the Queen-in-Council would pay CA$12.5 million for the creation of a new non-profit foundation to educate Canadians about anti-Chinese discrimination, but with a specific pre-condition that no apology would be expected from the government.

The NCCC was formed on a platform of "no apology and no individual compensation," and was seen by many as the reason the Liberal government selected them as the representative group to negotiate the deal without any prior consultation with the Chinese Canadian community at large.

The Department of Canadian Heritage announced on November 24, 2005 that the agreed upon funding would be reduced to $2.5 million. It was later revealed that the Minister for Asia and Pacific Affairs, Raymond Chan, who claimed to have negotiated the deal, purposely misled both the ministers of the Crown and the public. Some of the groups named in the agreement later stated publicly that their names had been used without permission and in other cases, several other groups listed did not even exist.

The surprise Liberal agreement caused a great outcry in the Chinese Canadian community, as the purported deal with the NCCC had been conducted without their input, resulting in an escalation in the redress movement, nationwide.

Bill C-333, the Chinese Canadian Recognition and Redress Act, a private member's bill, was tabled in the federal parliament in order to implement the deal in November 2005. While C-333 purported to acknowledge, commemorate and educate about past government wrongdoings, it fell far short of the apology demanded by generations of Chinese Canadians. The Ontario Coalition of Head Tax Payers and Families lobbied the Conservative Party to stop the passage of Bill C-333. The Conservatives exercised a procedural prerogative and switched the order of Bill C-333 with Bill C-331, a bill to recognize past wrongs against Ukrainian Canadians during wartime, causing Bill C-333 to die when Prime Minister Martin's Liberals lost a motion of non-confidence and parliament was dissolved on November 28, 2005.

2006: federal campaign and election
As they had done while campaigning for the federal election in 2004, the New Democratic Party and Bloc Québécois stated, during the leadup to the January 2006 election, their support for an apology and redress for the head tax. Similarly, on December 8, 2005, Conservative Party leader Stephen Harper released a press statement expressing his support for an apology for the head tax. As a part of his own party platform, Harper promised to work with the Chinese community on redress, should the Conservatives be called to form the next government. Before his party ultimately lost the election, Martin issued a personal apology on a Chinese language radio program. However, he was quickly criticized by the Chinese Canadian community for not issuing the apology in the House of Commons and for then trying to dismiss it completely in the English-speaking media on the very same day. Several Liberal candidates with significant Chinese-Canadian populations in their ridings, including Vancouver-Kingsway MP David Emerson and the Minister of State for Multiculturalism and Richmond MP Raymond Chan, also made futile attempts to change their positions in the midst of the campaign. Notably, Deputy Prime Minister and Edmonton Centre MP Anne McLellan lost her riding to Conservative MP Laurie Hawn.

Apology
The 2006 federal election was won by the Conservative Party, forming a minority government. Three days after the ballots had been counted on January 23, but before he had been appointed prime minister, Harper reiterated his position on the head tax issue in a news conference, that "the Chinese Canadian community deserves an apology for the head tax and appropriate acknowledgement and redress."

Early discussions on the form of apology and redress began on March 24, 2006, with a preliminary meeting between Chinese Canadians representing various groups (including some head tax payers), Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister Jason Kenney, and Heritage Minister Bev Oda, resulting in the "distinct possibility" of an apology being issued before July 1, to commemorate the anniversary of the enacting of the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1923. The government's acknowledgement followed in the Speech from the Throne delivered by Governor General Michaëlle Jean on April 4.

That year, from April 21 to 30, the Crown-in-Council hosted the first, formal public consultations across Canada in cities most actively involved and responsible for the campaign: Halifax, Vancouver, Toronto, Edmonton, Montreal, and Winnipeg. They included the personal testimony of elders and representatives from a number of groups, among them the Halifax Redress Committee; the British Columbia Coalition of Head Tax Payers, Spouses and Descendants; ACCESS; the Ontario Coalition of Head Tax Payers and Families; the CCNC; the Edmonton HTEA Redress Committee of the Chinese Canadian Redress Alliance; and, the Montreal chapter of the Chinese Canadian Redress Alliance.

A number of the leading groups demanded meaningful redress, not only for the handful of surviving "head tax" payers and their widows or spouses, but first-generation sons and daughters who were direct victims, as recounted in the documentary Lost Years: A People's Struggle for Justice, proposing that the redress be represented (and limited) by each, actual "head tax" certificate brought forward by its surviving family members, or estate. Early demands from community groups for individual redress, ranged from $10,000 to $30,000 for the estimated 4,000 registrants.

On June 22, 2006, twenty-two years after the Chinese Canadian redress campaign began, Prime Minister Stephen Harper delivered an official apology to Chinese Canadians in the House of Commons for the first session of the 39th Parliament. During his address Harper spoke a few words in Cantonese, "Ga na daai doe heep" (加拿大道歉, 'Canada Apologizes'), breaking the parliamentary tradition of speaking either English and French in the House of Commons.

To the disappointment of many in the Chinese Canadian community, it was announced that only original head tax payers, or their surviving spouses, then in their nineties, or a total 785 claimants, would receive CAD$20,000 in individual redress, representing less than a fraction of one-percent of the 81,000 original head tax payers. Only an estimated 20 Chinese Canadians who paid the tax were still alive in 2006.

As no mention of further redress was made, the Chinese Canadian community continued to fight for redress from the Canadian government. A national day of protest was held to coincide with Canada Day 2006 in major cities across Canada, and several hundred Chinese Canadians joined in local marches.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Romance (composition)

Full text is: "Romance is the name of a piece of music composed by Ludwig van Beethoven." As far as I know, "Romance" is a pretty common name for a musical composition, and even Beethoven could have conceivable written more than one piece called "Romance". One would at the very least expect a key designation, if this is in reference to a particular piece. The article namespace might be useful, if someone wanted to describe the common traits of compositions designated by this name. Otherwise this is too vague and too short to be of any use. --Woggly 08:51, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC) In light of recent revision, I withdraw my vote to delete. I will though move the rewritten article to Romance (music). --Woggly 13:47, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * I was right, Beethoven did write more than one Romance. Opus 40, Romance for Violin in G major; and opus 50, Romance for Violin in F major, and they already have their own redlinks on wikipedia. See List of works by Beethoven. Another quick check revealed that Schumann wrote three Romances too, see: Robert Schumann. I rest my case. --Woggly 09:05, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * Keep. I've attempted to rewrite it as an encyclopedic stub about the type of piece in general. I think it has potential to grow. It could perhaps be moved to Romance (music). — siro  χ  o  11:08, Jul 26, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, expand, poss. Clean Up: With the change of direction, it's a needed article.  It really should be Romance (music), because a "romance" is a type of novel as well.  A "romans" is an important artform in general. Geogre 12:26, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)


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first talk
What was wrong with the more elegant original lock image? --Cantus 08:55, Jul 26, 2004 (UTC)
 * Apparently you forgot to include GFDL info.-SV

Do we need a cheezy icon anyway? Dysprosia 03:06, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * And who is this User:Msg:Protected? Who is such that can dictate such with such suchness, regardless of the regards of the guarded and regarded? -SV

Poll
Use lock image? UPDATE: ince this poll was started, there have been numerous new proposals and icons entered into consideration. To view a complete listing of all proposals, see User:Squash/Templates.

Support

 * 1) Cantus 22:49, Aug 1, 2004 (UTC)
 * 2) squash 06:34, Aug 2, 2004 (UTC) See: User:Squash/Templates for template proposals. This is only a poll for 'Use lock image ?', however not a poll for an overall change to the Wikipedia template 'system' and therefore it is pretty unfair that people oppose against this poll (protected template) and people think the results are to oppose the idea of an overall change. I am voting support, because I want to see both this template and other important templates CHANGED! :-). See my The 'For' Proposition in the comments sections for all of you who think this is such a bad idea.
 * 3) — siro  χ  o  04:58, Aug 6, 2004 (UTC) (After seeing some better designed templates, I think they shoudl be distinguished from the article better.)
 * 4) ⟳ausa کui × 13:05, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) David Gerard
 * 2)  —Kate | Talk 06:08, 2004 Aug 2 (UTC) It adds nothing to the notice (which is only directed at editors, the minority of people who will see it) and only serves to distract readers from the article itself.
 * 3) Snowspinner 01:52, Aug 3, 2004 (UTC) It's bad enough edit wars lead to protected pages. Do they have to lead to ugly pictures too?
 * 4) Jmabel 03:07, Aug 3, 2004 (UTC) Like we need an empty graphic? Does it communicate anything not in the words?
 * 5)   Ævar Arnfjörð [ Bjarmason]   this should not be done manually, rather by stylesheets. See User:Tim Starling/Feature poll for what needs to be done to make that possible. --  Ævar Arnfjörð [ Bjarmason]   17:59, 2004 Aug 3 (UTC)
 * 6) Dysprosia 09:24, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC) Images add little, and are unnecessary. Ditto various above.

It depends which one

 * 1) Angela
 * 2) Johnleemk | Talk 12:51, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC) Ditto Siroxo.
 * 3) Neutrality 16:14, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * 4) Radagast 23:19, Aug 2, 2004 (UTC) - So long as it obviously LOOKS like a typical padlock.
 * I added a version to User:Squash/Templates with the more realistic padlock image Cantus uploaded. —Stormie 00:59, Aug 3, 2004 (UTC)
 * 1) —  Ilγαηερ   (Tαlκ)  00:42, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC). Wow...it actually looks nicer than I thought it would. I support Squash's proposal!
 * I also added a new template idea for stubs. If we do this imagifying stuff, let's go all out :D —  Ilγαηερ   (Tαlκ)
 * 1) AlexG 01:29, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC) - see comments below
 * 2) I'll support if you find a better lock.  That one sucks.  Looks like a crayon to me.  No offence.  I really like the templates at the French pedia.  If we had something like that, I'd def. support.  blankfaze |  (беседа!)  02:05, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * You can create your own lock that doesn't look like crayon :-)
 * 1) On Squash/templates, I like speedy delete and protected with Cantus's lock icon.  I think the stub there is ugly. (Were there other choices? I didn't see any listed on this page.) I'd like to see a Vfd template that is less obnoxious than speedy delete.  I don't know if stub can be improved--its on so many pages, and if you make the template too big, it'll be bigger than the stub page content. --ssd 05:23, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * I made it a bit smaller (stole from French Wiki), also, there needs to be a new picture, cuz the tree thing was made in photoshop within 30 seconds
 * I hate the yellow lock icon. The -- is ugly, a real mdash would be better possibly. Ilγαηερ's icon for Vfd is confusing and unrecognizable. — ssd 04:46, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * 1) I support, but with only with Cantus' lock icon.   — Tasty Sandwich | Talk 14:33, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Comments
We should have a separate default CSS for logged-in (i.e. editors) and not-logged-in (generally readers) so that things like this can be hidden from readers. Then we get as carried away as we like with flashy, noticable icons. Pcb21| Pete 11:03, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * What about people who are new to Wikipedia and/or computers in general who like the visual things with coloured things... :-) squash 10:12, Aug 3, 2004 (UTC)

 * They're beyond help. :) Pcb21| Pete 11:30, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I'm not completely decided about this but I'm not convinced the message is needed at all. You know a page is protected by fact it says "view source" rather than "edit this page" (or you see a warning if you're a sysop) so what does the template add? If the message is staying, adding an image doesn't make much of a difference, but I think I'd rather not have the message at all. Angela.

 * Ha, maybe "you" know that the page is protected because of the view source text, but what percentage of the readers are as sophisticated a wikipedia user as you are? For someone who has no clue about how things work because they're completely new or somewhat new, being able to edit pages and then suddenly come upon one that they couldn't edit could be quite confusing.  We need the message.  I have a preference for informative icons so that you don't have to read all those pesky words if you don't have to, but it does have to be an informative icon...  Elf | Talk 19:25, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The French Wikipedia has been using images in their template messages quite heavily: see fr:Modèle:DesaccordDeNeutralite (NPOV dispute), fr:Modèle:Ébauche (stub), or fr:Modèle:Suppression (listing on VfD). I don't think there's a message for protected pages, interestingly enough. While DesaccordDeNeutralite is a bit garish, the others actually look quite good in my opinion; for one thing, the message is clearly distinguished from the article text. Something fairly subtle would be more appropriate for the visual style of the English Wikipedia, but there's still room for an image in there. Pictures, when used with care, can be a big help to navigation, even for experienced users - the brain parses colours and shapes more readily than words. If there are to be images, they must be good ones: recognisable, distinct from one another, and in keeping with the overall "feel" of the site. --AlexG 01:26, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The 'For' Proposition by User:Squash

Editors matter in times of trouble 1. Most of the articles on the Wikipedia doesn't need to be listed for deletion, protection etc. So how can that distract readers. But when the time when there is a page to be deleted and so forth - who is really the article important to now ? ... the editors and so it makes sense to make it usable to the editors and make life easier for them. There is no point in creating a bad speedy delete message for editors to see which the article is soon to be deleted anuway and there is no point for the reader to read the article either! :-)
 * John Kerry was recently semi-permanantly protected at a time when rather a lot of people are likely to be looking for information on him. George W. Bush is currently protected.  I think that covers a reasonable number of readers.
 * I suspect that most people don't find speedy deletion candidates by looking for pages with the header on; they've more likely to use the category, csd page, or What links here on the template.  It therefore hardly matters what the speedy deletion notice looks like.
 * I agree there is no point in "creating a bad speedy delete message," which is why I would like to keep the current perfectly functional one we have right now.  —Kate | Talk 22:55, 2004 Aug 4 (UTC)
 * Ah, But Kate what about the people AFTER the person who have voted the article for deletion ?!... How would they know how to save an article ? squash 05:50, Aug 5, 2004 (UTC)
 * Because it says to go to VfD and comment on why it should be kept.  —Kate | Talk 09:19, 2004 Aug 5 (UTC)
 * Despite, your comments, I still think that it is better for editors to see the site notice clearly then make life difficult for them :-) squash 09:45, Aug 5, 2004 (UTC)

Text-only messages look like part of article I don't like the text only templates for important site notices. They are distracting and when a person reads an article they have to see the article and people are more likely to confuse it with part of the article itself. The templates below that I have designed (including the icons) are supposed to be plain good. And so when a person sees a notice, they would not confuse it with the text. To many people they may seem too distracting and an annoyance. In opinion they are better then the text only ones because of the previously mentioned.
 * Indented italicised text, as the standard for notices about articles, should be quite hard to confuse with an article. Put a  below it if you really want.   —Kate | Talk 22:55, 2004 Aug 4 (UTC)
 * That makes it even worse!, adding a makes it even look more like the article even MORE! and makes it consmetically unappealing. IMO, the  should be used sparingly!. If the French Wikipedia has had sucess with their templates (they have a coloured table and small image) why can't the English Wikipedia do something more like that... The French have creative many spectacular pieces of work like The Eiffel Tower... :-) squash 05:50, Aug 5, 2004 (UTC)
 * So don't add a . I don't see how the indented italicised text looks like part of the article.   —Kate | Talk 09:19, 2004 Aug 5 (UTC)
 * Never the less, it is still text - and text with text still makes it look like part of the article! squash 09:45, Aug 5, 2004 (UTC)

Help in navigation and usability The images assist in navigation with different colours and depth to make navigation better and easier... they are not distracting, In my opinion I think that making a site notice that looks like part of the article is EVEN more distracting then a site notice. And the minimal designs aren't THAT distracting at all!... The brain processes pictures quicker then text... as they say... a picture is worth [number] of words :-). But they add nothing to the template? ... They do, A person can easier distinguish a site notice from the article itself instead of some text only message and so it adds 'usability' in one meaning or another.

 * Minimal designs? WHAT minimal designs?  They all have a border and an image.    —Kate | Talk 22:55, 2004 Aug 4 (UTC)
 * Minimal-er then the previously proposed ones... do you have just have to think that everything I say is correct... I'm not PERFECT, you know... :-| I'm human... squash 05:50, Aug 5, 2004 (UTC)

Help non-technically advanced users You may think, it is appropriate for individual templates, what about the techinilogically inadvanced users out there who like the appealing icons and know what to do, if they see something bad in the Wikipedia... do we just lock them out and wondering what to do or ask other people. It would be efficent for the Wikipedia that more people work on articles - whether they are really smart or not. See the logo - Wikipedia - The Free Encyclopedia... what does that mean ? ... I think it means it is open to all users out there not just those who are smart!
 * People who "know what to do"? If they can't even understand "This article is protected from editing" I really don't think it matters whether we add an obnoxious border and a picture.    —Kate | Talk 22:55, 2004 Aug 4 (UTC)
 * Eh, it's supposed to have a visual impact on the person ?... so it provides a consistent site notice look with the speedy deletion notice ? squash 05:50, Aug 5, 2004 (UTC)
 * The speedy deletion notice should look exactly like the protected page one, unless someone has changed that too.  —Kate | Talk 09:19, 2004 Aug 5 (UTC)
 * Eh, what about those people with sight impairements who use the Wikipedia eh ?... how would they recognized the text from the site notice itself easily at a glance. And it allows people with no sight impairments to just have a glance and know what site notice it is! :-) squash 09:45, Aug 5, 2004 (UTC)
 * If you mean partially-sighted people, then the issue is about the same as for anyone else: they tend to just use larger-sized fonts overall. If you're talking about people using screen readers, the existing template is actually better. Almost all modern screen readers will recognise italics and read the text in a slightly different voice, but they will not be able to recognise images and borders. As for Braille pads, I think that the results would be the same in any case, though I don't know for sure as I've never used such a device. --AlexG 18:38, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Some thoughts on interface design
While I'm not a professional interface designer, I have taken some courses on the subject, and designed a fair few interfaces, both good and bad. I'd like to share a few thoughts on the proposed templates. I strongly favour a more subtle look as being more consistent with the existing Wikipedia style. I think that Squash's "minimal" designs are on the right track, but I'd much rather see something more minimal still! Sorry to splurge so much text out. --AlexG 18:38, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * To justify being large and brightly-coloured, something has to be pretty important. I am not convinced that "editing this page is forbidden for now" is important enough to make a big box worthwhile. That box will probably be the first thing a reader notices: do they really need to be told in quite such a loud voice? This visual style should be reserved for the messages that really are important, because otherwise the distinction is lost. Remember that we occasionally see messages like The server will be down for an hour starting 0400 UTC This is the most important class of message, but is less obvious than the proposed new templates! To keep the distinction, how large would the server-down message have to be? There are plenty of subtle ways of giving emphasis - like "putting something in italics and indenting it" - and if that's not enough, it doesn't mean that a big bold border is better.
 * Images should be used with extreme care. When looking at the proposed templates, imagine that you cannot read the attached text: all you can see is the image and border. What does it mean to you? That is the impression that someone will have when they see it for the first time. To me, the speedy-delete proposal (big red X) signifies "error" or "forbidden", for example. (There is a UI convention for this to mean "delete", in the context of a command - like on a toolbar button. When in the context of a report, it is much more common for it to mean "something's wrong".) It is very, very difficult to choose good images: if they are wrong, it looks bad - worse than having no pictures at all. Images must be consistent and understandable, and fit in with the overall style of the site. Which leads me on to the next point...
 * This site's interface is a large system; changes should be considered in the context of the whole system. Consistency is important: the new templates need to be thought about in relation to other article messages, and in terms of what they look like on the page. Just as an example, many articles with images have those images near the top of the page: how would coloured messages look there? Remember that people complained about this when categories first appeared, and were displayed in this position. (I'm not saying that this is a show-stopper, just that the issue needs addressing.)
 * I think that Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason makes a very good point in the poll above. This is somewhat orthogonal to the question of what templates should look like, but it would mean that they could look good in any skin.

Sandbox
I have created Template:Protected/sandbox. I'd like to propose that radical new and experimental changes to this template be made there and played with before going "live", and we can discuss style issues here. Personally, I think the color scheme, font style (non-italics), and line breaking of the "yellow" version looks much better and clearer than the grey "message box" style one. But it's the killing of the history link due to the parser problems that makes it "cutting edge" technology that doesn't fully work. V V 22:34, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Revertion madness
Please take the edit wars to Template:Message box. That is where you get to change the format. We only have a skeleton here. --Cantus 23:05, Aug 16, 2004 (UTC)

 * As per Requests for arbitration/Cantus, I've just blocked Cantus for 24 hours for blatant edit warring in violation of WP:3RR - David Gerard 23:32, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Do you think I'm stupid enough to violate that rule? The 3RR states "Don't revert any article more than three times in the same day.". I did not violate this rule. Unblock me now. (Cantus)

 * This might be an appeal to either of two technicalities:
 * Cantus is arguing that a template is not the same as an article
 * Cantus is arguing that day refers to something other than a 24-hour period (such as a UTC day, or a day in Cantus' time zone)
 * In either case, the ruling itself quite clearly says "any page" and "any 24 hour period". The three-revert rule has now been rewritten accordingly, and hopefully Cantus will know better than to expect that such semantics will protect him in the future. The block was completely justified. --Michael Snow 17:07, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * Nope. It only clearly said "any page" *after* you changed it to say so, which was *after* I was blocked. Nice going, Michael. --Cantus 05:15, Aug 18, 2004 (UTC)

 * 1. Cantus is placed on revert parole, indefinately, as was applied to Wik. As a result, he may not revert any page more than three times in any 24 hour period. This may be enforced by 24-hour temp-bans at sysop discretion, as per Wik.. Requests_for_arbitration/Cantus. Seems clear enough to me.   — Kate | Talk 05:26, 2004 Aug 18 (UTC)

Diffs of reverts: —Guanaco 00:34, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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 * These links seems to be broken (there's no actual diff). I can only find the original change  and 3 reverts   .  Where's the 4th?   — Kate | Talk 00:46, 2004 Aug 17 (UTC) Ah—on a closer reading of WP:3RR I see it applies to any 3 reverts, not 3 of the same revert.    — Kate | Talk 04:26, 2004 Aug 17 (UTC)

 * Guanaco's links are fine, they're actually diffs between the versions reverted to, and the versions after those reverts, which are identical. Goplat 03:00, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * And even if they weren't identical, a slight rewording doesn't make it not a revert - David Gerard 07:16, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

This template needs to be split in two
First of all this template and then another one for something like whats happening over at Richard Stallman now where there is no dispute but just repeated vandalism from multiple ip addresses, this template suggests that there is a dispute, somtimes there isnt. -- Ævar Arnfjörð [ Bjarmason]   18:53, 2004 Aug 17 (UTC)

 * There's already a template for protection due to vandalism, Template:Vprotected Goplat 19:13, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Proposal
Standardized message box discussion and voting moved to Template talk:Message box -- Netoholic 04:29, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Template bloat
There's no need to link Accuracy dispute or NPOV dispute. The protection policy allows editing protected pages to add such links, but does not require it. Also, many articles that get protected already have those because of other tags that have been placed on them. It's quite good enough to tell readers once or twice that the content of a page is disputed; no need to repeat it twenty times before they get to the actual text. --Michael Snow 00:24, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Comment
Just a comment- isn't it ironic that the protected template is protected? Thus, the protected template page is right with a protected template! :-) Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 20:35, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

protection log?
I agree with providing advice for how to get unblocked, but is the protecting admin the best choice if you're only going to list one way? Considering we don't want to get too wordy, maybe linking WP:RFP instead would be better? --fvw *  23:47, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Small change
Can an admin please edit it so the last lines look like this—

(removing the spacing between the includeonly and noinclude). Unless the spacing below the template is intentional, I'd like to think it shouldn't be there though. =) —Locke Cole 04:49, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks Rdsmith4! —Locke Cole 04:57, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Who the heck made the template so small? I've just added it into a page and it showed up so small it was unreadable. I've reverted to a legible version. We don't want to get WP sued for damaging someone's eyesight!!! FearÉIREANN \(caint) 00:47, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I prefer this version. The current version takes up half the page. IMO the notice should be as small as possible. Izehar 19:53, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

editprotected
Please mention that you can make a request to edit the protected page using editprotected -- Zondor 09:00, 4 January 2006 (UTC) Please edit this protected page to mention that it automatically categorises tagged pages into Category:Protected. -- Zondor 06:17, 4 January 2006 (UTC) or at least via noinclude -- Zondor 07:32, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Done.  howch e  ng   {chat} 20:10, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Done.  howch e  ng   {chat} 20:10, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It is not relevant to mention in words the categorization, since that is what the categories bar at the bottom of the screen does. I'm glad that this has been removed as part of the revert. Admins do note that, just because a request is made, you are not required to make it, and some discretion is required. -Splash talk 04:20, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Change icon
The current image is a copyvio. Please replace with GFDL graphic Image:Crystal file locked.png. —Cantus… ☎   03:50, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Done.  howch e  ng   {chat} 20:10, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Howcheng, please note that just because some requests a change, you are not obliged to make it. In this case, we finished up with a terribly ugle template, which repeated its own categorization, represented a substantial change to a long standing design, and was in general not particularly great. Please tread carefully when editing MediaWiki pages. -Splash talk 04:23, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * This is not a MediaWiki page, but I generally agree, I'd wait at least a day before making changes to protected templates unless the change is obviously OK (spelling error, minor position tweaking, etc). —Locke Cole • t • c 04:26, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The image that was there is an image you uploaded under the GFDL, it can't be a copyvio unless you misrepresented the original license. The image is also used on Template:Vprotected and Template:Sprotected (and doubtless others). Please explain? —Locke Cole • t • c 20:30, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. Please explain how an image you claimed to be the author of, and which you released under GFDL, is now a supposed copyright violation. If it is, then either you by accident or deliberately claimed the wrong licence for it. If your original categorisation is correct then there is no copyvio. A statement now by you that there is a copyright violation is worthless without explanation. After all, if you were wrong the first time, how do we know you are right now? FearÉIREANN [[Image:Map of Ireland's capitals.png|15px]]\(caint)  20:46, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The lock icon.png file should be used, to ensure consistency. --Sunfazer (talk) 14:37, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Consistency
I'd like to change the template, so all protection templates look alike. From:

To:

I made the border a little thicker, so the difference between semi-protection and full protection is still obvious. Alternatively, the semi-protection template could use a dashed line, to indicate less-than-full protection. -- Ec5618 16:41, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Done.  howch e  ng   {chat} 18:57, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Request to have sort keys added
Please add sort keys to the categories. The following

should change to

– Doug Bell talk•contrib 08:03, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Done.  howch e  ng   {chat} 17:17, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

line break
Can someone but a line break between the two sentences please Gerard Foley 01:00, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Broken history link
The action should be history, not historypage. æle ✆ 23:05, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Use of Template:Protected on any talk page considered harmful
_ _ The template refers those dissatisfied with protection to a page with the same title except for having " talk" suffixed to the namespace's name. If the namespace of the protected page is already a talk namespace, the result is a non-existent namespace, and thus something that looks like it should be a namespace but is instead puts the discussion within the main (article) namespace. _ _ IMO, the proper fix is to suffix "/protection talk" on the title, no matter what the namespace. If there is no quick agreement for a sub-page solution, i propose the interim measure of putting a msg (ugly but necessary) to the effect of "This template may not be used on pages that have "Talk" or "talk" anywhere before the colon in their titles.", and some interim solution for talk pages that correspond to any namespace. --Jerzy•t 01:31, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Can this be addressed? Protecting talk pages does occur, especially those of stubborn users.  Possibly the creation of a  and, without the talk links? ~ PseudoSudo 10:03, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Discovered at and . ~ PseudoSudo 01:09, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

An idea
I propose using a smaller version of this box, which could be placed floating at the right side on the article.

Example:

The See why link would direct the user to the article's Discussion page, where he or she would find the full explanation box for the article's protection, as well as helpful links on what to do.

What does anyone think about this? Is it preferably to have a little box in the main article, and then the full box in the Talk page? I mean, do we really need this. Comments? —Cantus… ☎   10:41, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I like the idea, but some layout problems may occur in combination with infoboxes, images and other right-aligned elements. RexNL 17:49, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I like the idea too. As RexNL said, there could be problems with infoboxes, etc. if placed to the right. A solution would be to place everything to the left. Slightly more intrusive, but gets the necessary attention. ☆ CieloEstrellado 06:53, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I have started a topic on this issue at Village_pump_%28proposals%29 and someone pointed me to this talk page. My idea is a little different, ad while I mention an option similar to the one presented here, I also introduce another possibility that I prefer. I had acutally though to check this page before posting my suggestion, but the heading 'An idea' didn't draw my attention and I thought it hadn't been brought up. Since this proposal should be implemented in all templates under Category:Protection templates, and another user has informed me that this may have been discussed on yet more talk pages, I propose that we move this discussion to the Village pump. I would also be willing to move my suggestion here, but it has implications on Wikipedia policy (overall use of title templates), and again, I belive would be better suited in the Villiage pump. I will copy the conversation there for the time being. --Inarius 22:57, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Please unprotect this template for a while
I just want to make the links shorter! damnit. --Col. Hauler 09:50, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

undefined Transclusion of template inserted w/o sig by Col. Hauler 09:57, 14 May 2006 & converted to lk by Jerzy•t 18:24, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Discuss clearly here how you want to change it; when there is consensus, an admin will make the change. (When the cost per edit is too high, as with widely transcluded templates, std. free-for-all Wiki editing becomes inefficient, and prior consensus substitutes.) --Jerzy•t 18:24, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I've shortened the link by replacing the two variables  with  . // [ admin ] Pathoschild (talk/map) 19:59, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Please someone change the border's color to the Wiki standard 1px #aaa. Thanks. ☆ CieloEstrellado 08:53, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Edit please
editprotected Hi. I want someone to do something to this page. I want to change where it says, "This page is protected from editing" to

This is protected from editing

This change also applies to sprotected

-- GeorgeMoney T·C 01:52, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

 * I've done the change on sprotected, but I don't see the need here. This tag should only be applied on the actual page it is protected on, eliminating the need for the code. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note? ) 02:02, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Out of curiosity, what does #switch: if there's no matching case, e.g. talk or image pages? Using #switch: also requires Category:Templates using ParserFunctions. -- Omniplex 02:20, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

 * Nothing; it's left blank. When I added this to sprotected, I added a case for talk pages. But I still don't think that this should be applied to this template for the reasons I outlined above. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note? ) 22:02, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I've decided to drop the request. -- GeorgeMoney T·C 22:05, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Sprotected template
You may notice that the semi-protection template has been simplified down to an unobtrusive padlock (Template_talk:Sprotected for the discussion). I did wonder about whether a similar change might be appropriate here too as it would certainly improve the reader's experience of the site, although I accept that as 'full' protection prevents editors from editing it might need the larger info box, but maybe not something quite as obtrusive as at present. Comments? --AlisonW 23:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Image floats over sitenotice
With the new sitenotice, the image is floating right over the text of the sitenotice (in monobook at least). Over at Template:Sprotected, they added  to the icon's div (see the diff), and I'd propose the same here. Cheers! --james (lets talk) 10:54, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Done.--Commander Keane 14:53, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Now it's too low (or maybe that's because I turned the sitenotice off with my css). Is it even necessary at all? The reason it's on sprotect is because they don't have a boilerplate, but there's a boilerplate here. --Rory096 23:41, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Icon - licensing issues
The image was changed back (to the lock, Image:Padlock.svg) on Template:Sprotected as the keys image is LGPL, which requires attribution. This presents a problem as when the image is combined with the CSS hack to link to the protection policy, that you cannot easily get to the image description page (which has the licensing and other details required) from the pages where it is used. Thus, I believe that the image should be changed back to Padlock.svg unless there is a more suitable image that is also public domain. Kotepho 04:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Apparently no one has this in their watchlist. On a related note, I cannot find Wikipedia's copy of the LGPL (or GPL) so uhh, should probably fix that. Kotepho 18:33, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

 * I've contacted Voice of All on his talk page. He only should be the one adding the keys image to this template. -- ADNghiem501 08:24, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

 * He reverted to a version before he edited. Done. -- ADNghiem501 08:40, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Coding
Hello there. I am from Wookieepedia, another Wiki project. After countless vandalism attacks, the vandals have begun to destroy our beloved project. In order to counter, and stop the vandals, many of us believe a true vandal-proof code should be used. Now, we've created Protection templates similar to the ones on Wikipedia, but the articles are never truly protected (the EDIT and MOVE buttons still remain). So, I'd like to request the proper coding necessary to completely lock our articles and save our Wiki project. Would you be so kind as to provide a code we could use to protect our pages? We thank you dearly. 154.5.130.212 03:24, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

 * Is your site using MediaWiki? If so, any sysop can protect a page (there'll be a "protect" tab at the top of each page). The person who set up the site can head to Special:Userrights on your site, enter a username, and add that person to the sysop group if you want to make more sysops. --james  // bornhj (talk) 03:34, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Interwiki
Please, add ru-interwiki: ru:Шаблон:Protected.
 * Done. Petros471 13:14, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Please add an interwiki link to the Vietnamese version of this template:

vi:Tiêu bản:Trang được bảo vệ

Thanks.

– Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 18:07, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks for letting us know. JesseW, the juggling janitor 21:55, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Please, add uk-interwiki: uk:Шаблон:Protected Thanks. --Yakudza 11:30, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Steel 12:09, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Please, add sl:Predloga:Zaščiteno. Thanks. --Eleassar my talk 13:49, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. -- JLaTondre 16:02, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Protection log link
Would anyone be interested in adding a link to the protection log to this and other protection templates? It could be done with the following wikitext:

If there is interest, let's come up with where it should go in the template and I'll slap an editprotected on here to get the change made. Mike Dillon 04:07, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea. I've added the link.  > R a d i a n t <  16:59, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Edit request - not for bluffs
Most people using this template should know what they're doing with it, but some don't. Can we add a noincluded instruction similar to Usertalk-sprotect to say: This template is not to be used as a bluff. Only use it on PROTECTED pages. -- zzuuzz (talk) 19:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. I've modified the message a bit, hoping to forestall those who believe adding the template protects the page, as well. Luna Santin 20:39, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that looks ideal. I don't know why I forgot to ask for that - the vast majority of inappropriate use is of that sort. -- zzuuzz (talk) 22:26, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Date parameter
Following a request on AN I added an optional parameter to display a date that temporary protection will expire. This can either be set manually via or computed with. So, 7 days will compute a date 7 days after the template was substituted. If no date is specified then the normal text is displayed. Note that 'protect' alone without substitution or a date parameter works fine, but would display incorrectly... if a date parameter is included on 'protect' it must be substituted. For 'protected' substitution is not required, but you have to do the math of computing the 'target date' yourself. Is this a useful feature / implementation? --CBD 13:18, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me, let's see how it fares in use. Guy (Help!) 13:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * This is a good idea, but I don't think using protect is right. As a note, I didn't even know about this expiry feature. When was it added?

 * Anyway, protect was just a redirect to protected before, and I think it should stay that way; people won't remember that {{subst:protect}} is different from protected. I've created a new template, {{subst:protectdays}}, that can be used for the purpose you've given {{subst:protect}} here. Superm401 - Talk 20:10, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I have moved {{subst:protectdays}} to {{subst:protect-ex}} and created a similar {{subst:sprotect-ex}}. If these templates maintain a consensus for staying, tprotected should probably be deprecated. --  tariq abjotu  04:28, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Note that {{subst:sprotect-ex}} currently does not work because Centrx keeps removing the functionality per his reasoning here. --  tariq abjotu  04:48, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Consensus does not consist of a series of "Sounds okay" statements in 10 hours. —Centrx→talk • 05:10, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Nobody said it was. What I don't understand is why you as (so far) the lone objector feel your position overrides the four of our's, especially when that position calls for people to not even have the option of mentioning the time of expiration. --  tariq abjotu  05:35, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Why is this needed? Wouldn't this just encourage edit warriors to mark the date on their calendars and come back and edit war when it becomes unprotected? —Centrx→talk • 04:11, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

 * That kind of logic would suggest that we not tell people how long they're blocked or else they'd just mark their unblock date on their calendars. I seriously don't envision that being a serious problem; if it does happen the page could be protected again and/or the offending users could be blocked in violation of 3RR, et, al. --  tariq abjotu  04:19, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * For any temporary block, it is acceptable that the user return and edit. Protection is often for situations where we really do want the offending users to just go away. For semi-protection, this can mean a host of IPs or sockpuppets—the equivalent in blocking terms is an indefinite block, where there is no time limit to tell them about. It should not enter the person's mind that he can just come right back at a fixed time. For full protection, we do want them to Resolving disputes and come back with clear heads at staggered times that allow for reflection, not to both show up the day the protection expires and just start edit warring again. "if it does happen the page could be protected again": the page should not need to be protected again, pages should be protected for the least amount of time possible. —Centrx→talk • 04:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

 * the equivalent in blocking terms is an indefinite block Okay... so you protect the page indefinitely, like was done prior to the introduction of the new feature. And, again, no one is required to use any of these templates to specify the time period. If you fear a problem will arise just use the regular ole' protection. However, there are likely to be readers who would like to know when an article may be unprotected so they can get a chance to edit it. With the expiration date and time clearly showing in the histories now, I fail to see how this functionality will do anything for experienced vandals except save them the three seconds it takes to look at the history. --  tariq abjotu  04:48, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not just for experienced vandals. It's also for jokesters who may not even consider looking in the page history—but who do know their days of the month and can recognize when a page glaringly says "This page is protected from editing, until you come back in a week to vandalize it again." Regarding blocking indefinitely: Pages are not protected forever, but user accounts are. An indefinite protection is significantly different from an indefinite block. If any use of protection expiry inevitably leads to using indefinite protection like before, that defeats the entire purpose of it. —Centrx→talk • 05:07, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Indefinite and infinite are not synonyms; I was suggesting that pages could be, if necessary, just be protected indefinitely and then unprotected after some arbitrary time (as before). I also don't understand what you mean in the last sentence. --  tariq abjotu  05:35, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Additionally, the use of the parameter is optional. If you don't want to put the expiration time (which appears to show in the history now) in the template, you don't have to. --  tariq abjotu  04:36, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The question is whether it should be put in the template at all, especially whether it will be possible for someone take it upon himself to come around and set the date on every template used (and that will happen). —Centrx→talk • 05:07, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Is it not too unreasonable to let the optional feature go and try it out on a few pages to see if a problem arises. Right now, all we have is your gut feeling about infrequent (i.e. not experienced) vandals keeping a Wikipedia vandalism calendar. You could be correct, but I just see conjecture right now. --  tariq abjotu  05:35, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * They don't need a calendar, they only need to realize that the page will be unprotected—and soon. —Centrx→talk • 09:06, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * They already know protected pages will be unprotected soon (that's policy). The only advantage here is that it's done automatically so admins don't have to remember.  There's no point in keeping this info out of the template either, since vandals can just go the log. Superm401 - Talk 00:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * This is not about whether expiry or unprotection is appropriate or whether someone could find out when it will expire. The message is notice to everyone looking at the page, not just long-term vandals engaging in a concerted effort of disruption who know how to look at protection histories, and creates a list of articles by the date they will be unprotected. —Centrx→talk • 01:12, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * What you want is security through obscurity. That's not how Wikipedia operates.  The template ensures people know the protection is temporary, and that's a good thing.  Superm401 - Talk 04:50, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The template already says it is temporary. This is not security through obscurity, this is more WP:BEANS. Security through obscurity is when obscurity is used in place of some other security. Not announcing the expiry date has no security cost, closed-source software does. —Centrx→talk • 05:16, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * People won't really be convinced it's temporary unless there's a defined and public end date. However, I'm not going to press this anymore. Superm401 - Talk 06:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Using this template versus
I've started a discussion at Template_talk:Protected2 about when to use that template instead of this one. If you have an opinion, please add it over there. Kla'quot 16:23, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

title: Template talk:Protected


text:
Nik Abdul Aziz Nik Mat

Nik Abdul Aziz bin Nik Mat (Jawi: ; 10 January 1931 – 12 February 2015) was a Malaysian politician and Muslim cleric. He was the Menteri Besar of Kelantan from 1990 to 2013 and the Mursyidul Am or Spiritual Leader of the Pan-Malaysian Islamic Party (PAS) from 1991 until his death in 2015. Overall, his career as an elected politician lasted for some 48 years following his election to the Parliament of Malaysia in 1967.

Early life
Nik Abdul Aziz was born in Kota Bharu in 1931 as the second of five siblings. He was raised by a single father (Tok Kura) who was an aspiring blacksmith. Nik Aziz's Islamic studies began in pondok schools in Kelantan and Terengganu. He went on to study at Darul Uloom Deoband in Uttar Pradesh, India for five years. He obtained his Bachelor of Arts in Arabic Studies and Master of Arts in Islamic jurisprudence from Al-Azhar University, Egypt. During his university studies, he was one of the witnesses and a civilian to have lived in the heat of the Arab-Israeli Conflict.

Having returned from Egypt, Nik Aziz worked as a teacher at various religious schools in Kelantan including his father's pondok (religious school). Nik Aziz started to teach at various mosques and Pondok within Kelantan and other states. He became a respected Islamic scholar earning the nickname "Tok Guru." (means 'Master/sifu of Scholar or teacher' in Malay)

Political career
Nik Aziz joined PAS in 1967. He contested and won the Kelantan Hilir parliamentary seat by-election in that same year, and held the seat (later renamed Pengkalan Chepa) until 1986. In 1982, he was part of a movement by young members to bring change to the party leadership. PAS had lost the Kelantan state elections in 1978 and, as PAS state commissioner, Nik Aziz began to question president Asri Muda's leadership. Finally, in the PAS Muktamar (General Assembly) that year, Asri was forced to resign.

After stepping aside from federal politics, Nik Aziz won a seat in the Kelantan State Assembly in the 1986 general elections. In 1990, PAS managed to wrest control of Kelantan back from Barisan Nasional. In his capacity as party leader in the state, Nik Aziz became Menteri Besar of Kelantan. He succeeded Yusof Rawa as spiritual leader of PAS in 1991.

Nik Aziz's government was re-elected on four occasions (1995, 1999, 2004, 2008), until his retirement in 2013. During the 1990s, his administration in Kelantan frequently clashed on the role of Islam in Malaysia with the then Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad. In contrast with the racially exclusive ruling party UMNO, he openly rejected communal politics.

Nik Aziz commanded support from a large number of non-Muslims in Malaysia and played a leading role during PAS' increase in popularity among non-Muslims.

In May 2013, Nik Aziz publicly stated that he did not consent on any co-operation between United Malays National Organisation (UMNO) and Malaysian Islamic Party (PAS) as long as he was alive. However, in September 2019, when PAS and UMNO signed the formal charter of alliance, named Muafakat Nasional, PAS president Abdul Hadi Awang claimed that Nik Aziz had already consented to the cooperation while he was alive.

Hardline views
Nik Aziz drew some criticism for his hardline Islamic views. His advocacy of Islamic shariah law for all Malay Muslims drew criticism. According to Fox News, Nik Aziz suggested that women would be at a lower risk of being raped if they abandoned using their lipstick and perfume. He was also recorded once stating that fashionable and sexy-dressing women deserved to be raped during a speech.

The "Allah" issue
In 2012, there was an issue of Catholics in Malaysia using the Arabic term for "God"; "Allah" in their Christian Bible. Initially, Nik Aziz stated that the word "Allah" can be used by non-Muslims as the origin of the word itself is evidently pre-Islamic. The issue caused a stir in the Muslim community. The PAS party was almost divided into two blocs; one that supported the use of the word, and one that did not. Aiming to restore unity in PAS, Nik Aziz took back his words and disapproved of the word "Allah" being used by non-Muslims.

Son detained under ISA
His son Nik Adli was held under the Malaysian Internal Security Act in 2001 for alleged terrorist activities including planning jihad, possession of weapons, and membership in the Kumpulan Mujahidin Malaysia (KMM), an Islamist extremist group. After 5 years in detention without trial, he was released.

Retirement and death
During the 2013 election, PAS once again won a majority of seats to form a Kelantan state government. Nik Aziz announced his retirement as Chief Minister of Kelantan, the post he held since 1990. His successor is Nik Aziz's former deputy Chief Minister Ahmad Yaakob, who took over his office to replace him as Kelantan's Chief Minister. Over the ensuing two years, Nik Aziz became increasingly ill with prostate cancer, and died on February 12, 2015 at 9.40 p.m. Malaysia Standard Time (UTC+08:00); at his residence in Kampung Pulau Melaka, Kota Bharu. The following day, more than 10,000 people attended his funeral at Masjid Tok Guru, his local mosque. His death triggered the Kelantan State Assembly seat of 2015 Chempaka by-election.

Election results
Note: 1 PAS were in the Alliance (1972–1973) and later Barisan Nasional (1973–1978) coalition government.

Honours of Malaysia

 * 🇲🇾 Malaysia :
 * Kesatria Mangku Negara.png Officer of the Order of the Defender of the Realm (KMN) (1974)
 * Order_of_Loyalty_to_the_Crown_of_Malaysia_-_PSM.svg Commander of the Order of Loyalty to the Crown of Malaysia (PSM) – Tan Sri (2023 – posthumously)
 * Kelantan :
 * My-KEL Order of the Life of the Crown of Kelantan 1925-2006.svg Knight Grand Commander of the Order of the Life of the Crown of Kelantan (SJMK) – Dato' (1995)
 * Dato' Bentara Setia (2010)

title: Nik Abdul Aziz Nik Mat