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I saw this word in the entry वैयक्तिक चीजबस्त. As I searched Google for it, I found that it means "effect". However, this word gives no results on any dictionary and looks like a neologism. I am wondering what is its etymology. Is it, from 🇰🇲 or a loanword from some other language or a calque. Thanks and regards - द्विशकारःवार्त्ता • योगदानानि • संरक्षितावलयः • विद्युत्पत्त्रम् 07:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The entry is misspelled as it should be चीज़बस्त. I found this blog post where this word is described so I guess this is some kind of rare, undocumented/poorly documented word... there are a few words like that, like which I heard in a song which I still haven't found any mention of or even learned its meaning. -- Bhagadatta(talk)  13:52, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for giving the link to that blog post. So, as the blog post says, "फ़ारसी में “बस्त” में भी वस्तु का ही भाव है", then बस्त is from Persian or is the current etymology correct?
 * Also, should there be an entry for and what does it exactly mean - a precious thing or effect?
 * I've moved the page (वैयक्तिक चीजबस्त) to its correct form (with nuqta).
 * Regards - द्विशकारःवार्त्ता • योगदानानि • संरक्षितावलयः • विद्युत्पत्त्रम् 14:46, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If it was a true inherited word from Skt it would be vastu --> Pkt vatthu --> Hindi *bāth (*बाथ). So it seems it may not be inherited but then again, I don't have any reason (right now) to believe that Persian would have a cognate word to Sanskrit vastu, and on top of it even with the same meaning, so until I look into it in more detail in the literature later, I would not favour a Persian origin. Maybe is a semi borrowing or an ardha-tatsama from . I believe चीज़बस्त merely means "thing" or "stuff" but there's only one way to be sure enough to put it in an entry - if you manage to find sources for it or find an instance of its usage where you are able to derive its meaning through context. -- Bhagadatta(talk)  14:58, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. The word gives some results on Google books. The sense "effect(s)" is given here, in the भारतवाणी dictionary, so that explains वैयक्तिक चीज़बस्त = personal effect(s). बस्त seems to a feminine, so I guess cīzbast is also a feminine and therefore I have changed the gender of वैयक्तिक चीज़बस्त. I'll create cīzbast with both the senses. Regards - द्विशकारःवार्त्ता • योगदानानि • संरक्षितावलयः • विद्युत्पत्त्रम् 15:20, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm curious now, which song? —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान) 22:48, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Albeliya by Kailash Kher! I'd last listened to it five or six years ago so I went back and listened to it now - the word is, not . Mystery solved! 👍
 * Here it is: https://youtu-be/KaHcWpJO_c4 (Replace the hyphen with a dot). -- Bhagadatta(talk) 00:43, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Potentially useful site
a very nice Sanskrit database website, with the Rigveda in accentuated form with translation and everything. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान) 00:39, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh and DSAL has a new Prakrit dictionary. as well. —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान) 00:40, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! That's a wonderful resource. I usually use the Digital Corpus of Sanskrit but it misses a few attestations here and there, plus, I have to then get the translation separately. This database not only gives the English translation but the German one too (which I hear is in fact more favoured by linguists for scholarly work). BTW Kutchkutch told me about DSAL's Prakrit dictionary and created the amazing R:pra:Sheth which takes in the Brahmi script from the title and converts it to Devanagari inputs that in the DSAL search. -- Bhagadatta(talk) 01:13, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Accents in Sanskrit compounds
Hi, are there no accents in a Sanskrit compound? You said "the accent(s) of individual terms in a compound do not necessarily determine the accentuation of the compound. मद्य having an accent is no reason for this word (मद्यपान) having one", so then, how do we determine where there is an accent in a compound or are compounds always without accents? Thanks. 🔥 𑀰𑀩𑁆𑀤𑀰𑁄𑀥𑀓 🔥 13:41, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * There are some rules here: youtu.be/N9ZG6OxNQ40 at 2:06 Kutchkutch (talk) 13:59, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * For any word, it's best to check Monier-Williams. In a compound word, if there is an accent, MW mentions the accent. The term Madyapāna is under the headword Mádya in the dictionary. If this word was indeed "mádyapāna", MW would have given it like this: (mádya-)pāna. But he does not make this second reference to the word, it's simply given as -pāna under the headword mádya which means that the accent is from the attestation in Vedic texts and the compound carries no accent.
 * Secondly, this term is from the Mahabharata, it does not appear in Vedic literature. So your assumption that it would be mádyapāna simply because mádya has an accent is a bit too straight-forward. Very few post-Vedic Sanskrit terms have an accent. It did not exist in Classical Sanskrit. Only sometimes will a Classical Sanskrit term have an accent because the accent for the word was mentioned by Panini.
 * Lastly, MW does sometimes forget to give the accent. In such cases we can add it when we look at the attestation of the word in Vedic texts - primarily the Rig Veda, but also the Atharva Veda, Taittriya Sanhita etc. There are various resources which have excellent and accurate transcriptions of the Vedic texts which tell us about the accents of the word you're interested in.
 * PS: I've decided that in 2021 it'll be easier to follow the discussions on the talk page if they are sorted according to their topics instead of the user they come from so I gave this a section of its own ;) -- Bhagadatta(talk) 14:56, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

 * I've got no problem with this discussion having a section of its own, and thanks for explaining how MW mentions accents. Thanks for the link, it's great for learning about accents.  🔥 𑀰𑀩𑁆𑀤𑀰𑁄𑀥𑀓 🔥 15:00, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Suture
Thanks for inviting me to comment. I don't have really much to add except for what I posted yesterday. I'm a Canadian studying Sanskrit in India and when I came across the word सूत्र् (sūtr), the connection seemed obvious to me. In this Wikipedia article on Pāṇini, it's quite evident that Indian culture had achieved a degree of linguistic sophistication way beyond anything that the Romans could have conceived of, and this is around 500 BCE. Also, the word सूत्र् (sūtr) is actually one of Pāṇini's dhātus (verbal roots), likely in existence before the Roman Republic even began. Further, it's well documented that the Romans were actively trading with both Indian and Chinese traders via the Silk Road for centuries. So that's my logic. I must confess, however, that I'm not a linguist, just a great lover of Sanskrit and Indian culture. So I just posted this as a matter of interest. P.S. I used to me a major contributor to Wikipedia 10 years ago, in the astronomy section, but have since been focusing on my own research. Do what you think is best with my suggestion. It just seems to me that Indian culture and history are seriously undervalued by the world community and that's why I'm here in India. Good luck with everything.
 * Thanks for your interest. But 🇨🇬 is a native derivation, my friend; you also have and . The reason it looks so similar to 🇨🇬 in form and meaning is that they are in fact related; both derive ultimately from the same Proto-Indo-European root for the act of sewing. To say one is derived from the other would be incorrect. -- Bhagadatta(talk)  01:30, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

&
Do you think that this it some kind of re-borrowing (or maybe phono-semantic-matching)? S. विज्ञप्ति -> H. vintī -> S. vinati. According to MW and CDIAL, it doesn't mean request, it only means "bowing, obeisance to, humility, modesty", but Apte mentions the sense "request" and Platts, Dasa and McGregor, all these Hindi dictionaries say that in one sense this is a. What's more, the root नम् doesn't mean "to request" and neither does नति mean that. Another possibility is that it is from Prakrit विण्णत्ति (see Pk. viṇṇatti at R:CDIAL) 🔥 शब्दशोधक 🔥 06:29, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

 * Also . 🔥 शब्दशोधक 🔥 06:32, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

 * This is certainly an interesting set of words. There was an earlier discussion at Talk:विनती. The inheritance from Sanskrit विज्ञप्ति → Hindi विनती seems conservative, and the anusvara (//) in the Marathi term could either be hypercorrection or indicative of earlier nasalisation. The Ashokan Prakrit term is indicated as vinati, but this appears to be the result of reconstructing illegible characters. Kutchkutch (talk) 10:47, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Since only Apte mentions the sense "request", I guess his interpretation of the word was influenced by the Hindi term. विनती was inherited and its resemblance to विनति is a coincidence in my opinion. Of course the fact that their meanings are somewhat related enforced their similarity where people may be using both interchangeably. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 11:15, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

 * Yes, your guess seems convincing to me. How about labelling the sense with, splitting the 2 etymologies with the second etymology being - sa  and adding a line beside the Hindi etymology explaining it being a twice-borrowed term?  🔥 शब्दशोधक 🔥 11:42, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure thing, that can be done. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 12:18, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

 * This is exactly what I was thinking:
 * Kutchkutch (talk) 13:13, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

 * I realized this just now - the Digital Corpus of Sanskrit doesn't mention the sense "request", so it is very well possible that the sense "request" was itself an innovation by McGregor and Platts . I think the word was borrowed into Hindi, and it's meaning was changed with the influence of the already existing विनती which meant request (Dasa still preserves the original sense). Also, many people may write it with the shorter i to make it look Sanskrit-like, which may have been the reason for vinati to mean request in one sense. Next, I think, came Apte's interpretation, which we discussed above. Do you agree?  🔥 शब्दशोधक 🔥 15:32, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
 * That's right. Digital Corpus uses MW's definitions but the fact that there are no attestations of the second sense means we needn't include it. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 16:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

 * All right, so I am removing that sense since it is making the things all the more confusing. 🔥 शब्दशोधक 🔥 16:33, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Albemarle Commission
Hello Bhagadatta. I noticed you deleted Albemarle Commission because the content was "." I just wanted to let you know that I was the one that made it as a period. That is because if you look at the history, 2600:387:A:9C2:0:0:0:64 made that article and wrote quite inappropriate things on there. Since I don't have the power to delete the article and it wouldn't let me blank it, I just put it as "." Hope that clears that up! Saint.Helena.Tristen.Da.Cunha.and.Asuncion. (talk) 05:21, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I quite understand. Pages like that are deleted, so next time just replace the content with the lowercase letter d inside curly brackets {} so that it's brought to the attention of admins who will delete it. Thanks for fighting vandalism! -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 05:39, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

possible sockpuppet
I don't know anything about this but there has been constant creations with similar names. They have just been created.

 * Wiktionáry Vándalism club
 * Long term abuse of Wiktíonary
 * Banned Wiktionarian
 * The longest term abuser

All created in a few minutes. Probably sockpuppetry but you should check it out.

Best regards,

Saint.Helena.Tristen.Da.Cunha.and.Asuncion. (talk) 13:31, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

 * SHTDCaA, unless th(is/ese) user(s) ha(s/ve) done any vandal edits, the only argument to block them would be . For sock puppetry, check-users are the only ones who can check since they get the access to a user's IP. 🔥 शब्दशोधक 🔥 13:41, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

 * They just did and I reverted it (They got 1 day banned by an admin). It was the Banned Wiktionarian, so he is probably going to use his other accounts. Be on the lookout! Saint.Helena.Tristen.Da.Cunha.and.Asuncion. (talk) 13:42, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Banned Wiktionarian was Wonderfool. Possibly others are also. 🔥 शब्दशोधक 🔥 13:45, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Feminine of Pali aḍḍha 'rich'
What's your evidence (or argument) that the feminine is aḍḍhā rather than aḍḍhĩ? RichardW57 (talk) 20:07, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * You must mean aḍḍhī. I've updated it now but I can't find any attestation either way. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 01:29, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the bleary-eyed typo. I've struck the feminine form out and reverted to the old pattern of pi-decl-noun for the genders separately.  I think there are a lot of Pali adjectives for which we cannot give the feminine.  I'm a little worried that might also apply to the middle participles, but for now most participles seem to have predictable nominative singulars, with  being the one exception I know of.  pi-decl-adj only handles the common cases, and I'm about to document its limitations. RichardW57 (talk) 06:45, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Just so you know
I haven't said anything lately because they've cleaned up their act in recent years, but you've forced the issue by nominating them for whitelisting. See w:Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive893 and Talk:lore so you know who and what you're dealing with. I'm not saying they shouldn't be whitelisted, as their DerekWinters account is, but you should do it with both eyes open. Chuck Entz (talk) 14:15, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Blimey, I hadn't the faintest idea that Smettems was DerekWinters. I really thought they'd left for good. I thought Smettems was an old timer who left Wiktionary and returned recently but now I wish I hadn't stirred the issue as I do not know how much Smettems/Derek is comfortable with people knowing.
 * All said and done, this was 6 or 7 years ago so knowing this hasn't really affected my regard of them and how much I think they should be whitelisted. Based on my extensive interactions with DerekWinters, I can vouch for them. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 14:44, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I think Chuck was just linking to that as demonstration that the two are the same. My main issues with Derek related to his creation of unattested entries in many languages he doesn't speak, but I guess that hasn't been an issue with Indian languages. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 16:04, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I was taken aback. And you're right, his edits in the Indian languages haven't been problematic in the recent years. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 16:48, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

 * Had I done some research to understand the editor, I'd have known who he actually (i/wa)s. Whatever, this is good: we now know DerekWinters is still here, albeit under a different name! Informing others too. 🔥 शब्दशोधक 🔥 05:16, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Assuming that they are the same individual, their disappearance and reappearance is certainly quite mysterious. Kutchkutch (talk) 09:07, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Etymology of lampaṭa
Working today on terms deriving from, another related term came to my mind:. I'll probably be adding an entry for it today, so I need to know about its origin. Is it √ram —> *rampaṭa —> lampaṭa? 🔥 ಶಬ್ದಶೋಧಕ 🔥 12:35, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The connection does seem tempting but the word is likely of Deśī origin. Just think of the meaning. lampaṭa implies lust, greed etc whereas the root रम् originally implies "glad", "happy". But there is also a root, given by MW but not by Panini which is said to be a variant of रम्. So a probable connection cannot be ruled out. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 13:25, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Deśī/deśaja = non-Indo-Aryan/Dravidian or Munda? How should the etymology be given, like कपोल? 🔥 ಶಬ್ದಶೋಧಕ 🔥 13:52, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * That's right. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 13:58, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

What is…
… a “source type” in linguistics? Does it mean an etymon? - ⸘ - dictātor · mundī  23:19, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * It appears to be a computational linguistics thing. Where did you come across it? Maybe context could help. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 02:04, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure, I should have done so; it must be an obscure term then, but it is not related to computational linguistics.
 * 1:
 * SIGNS
 * = indicates a cognate form, or a source type.
 * The symbol has been employed throughout the work, mainly for Sanskrit etymons of reconstructed MIA words, as
 * ‘ঘুঁট [NIA form] (*ghuṇṭa, *ghuṭṭa == ghṛṣṭa)’ (page 355);
 * ‘কুঁদে (*kundaï, kuddaï == kūrdati)’ (pages 369-370); and so forth.
 * Here I just assumed that *pācīla is an earlier form of *pañcīla (may be they are rather simply variants, what do you think?); if I indeed be right then do you think *pācīla can be an Ashokan Prakrit form?— Chatterji’s presentation might also be for the reason that Ashokan Prakrit and Sanskrit are thought to be contemporaneous languages (hence they are possibly presented as cognates using the = sign)?
 * The term in question also appears here.
 * - ⸘ - dictātor · mundī  16:36, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, it's clear now. In this context, the "source type" means a close cognate or a variant of the actual etymon. Chatterji here gives OIA etymologies for MIA and NIA words but considers Sanskrit to be strictly classical Sanskrit as opposed to the entire OIA dialect continuum. He even considers Vedic and Sanskrit to be different. Hence etymologies are given in the following manner: = bʰrā́tr̥ instead of  < bʰrā́tr̥, this is because the exact OIA dialect from which Bengali was born was technically different from the attested Sanskrit or Vedic (the latter was based on a dialect cluster in the north-western Punjab region). Many other sources do the same: Sanskrit/Vedic terms because of their archaicity are really convenient as representatives of OIA terms but they also want to stress that the particular dialect that went into Sanskrit/Vedic was not the one that gave rise to the MIA/NIA lect in question.
 * *pācīla was surely an Ashokan Prakrit (or to be more precise: a Proto Middle Indo-Aryan) term which then underwent spontaneous nasalisation, a development which is seen in late OIA, MIA and early NIA. So I believe your earlier assumption was correct; it was the earlier form as opposed to a variant. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 01:40, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * So can *pācīla be created as an Ashokan Prakrit entry? One downside is that it has no non-Magadhan descendants; or that matters not? Also, for spontaneous nasalisation, do you think the word ‘corruption’ is needed, especially in light of Proto-MIA and Prakrit being treated as different languages by us? - ⸘ - dictātor · mundī  16:34, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, I thought that the entry for *pañcīla was an Ashokan entry, so I didn't oppose the word "corruption" and called *pācīla an earlier form. But yeah, as Chatterji on page 470 mentions *pācīla as belonging to the early MIA period, *pācīla can be a valid Ashokan entry. The descendants do not really matter since you've got a source to back the reconstruction. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 01:39, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

व्युष्टि
To your reversion of my change a month ago - not that it's supremely important, but the claim of 'incorrect sandhi' is strange; the Vedic poets weren't *in error*; they simply didn't conform to the mandatory sandhi of later Sanskrit. The grave accent on *vyùṣṭi* "accounts" for the lost syllable in that it's the accentual consequence of syllable loss, but víuṣṭi is a distinct form. Not one we possess in the recitations, but something that we know to have originally existed. Hölderlin2019 (talk) 05:24, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I am well aware of the vowel hiatus in Vedic but that information should be provided as pronunciation or as a transcription, not in declension. The entry for व्युष्टि currently gives the Vedic transcription and pronunciation. But the declension should be for the lemma, the form recorded by the dictionaries and the form attested in the texts is व्युष्टि. If one wants the readers to know the metrically restored versions of all the declined forms, then one can of course create entries for the declined forms and give their alternate transcriptions and pronunciations, like how it is done on the main lemma page. "*विउष्टि" (more properly *वियुष्टि) represents just the metrically restored form. In all the modern renditions of the Rig Veda, both recited and written down, the form has always been व्युष्टि, ever since the Rig Veda was redacted in the late Vedic age.
 * Declining व्युष्टि as विउष्टि, is like declining, say, śyená as śyainá. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 03:05, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

My edits on lahore
I just removed misinformation from Lahore. why did you undo my edits? IMPNFHU (talk) 04:24, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * You removed valid translations from the entry. There's also a strong possibility that the name entered English through Hindustani instead of directly from Punjabi. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 05:41, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes there's a possibility that english got this word from hindustani. But what about the sanskrit translation? The "city of lava" etymology of lahore is just a theory and there's no evidence  that prove it to be true IMPNFHU (talk) 05:54, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Also lahore is officially called "लाहौर" in hindi. The translations that i removed were not official IMPNFHU (talk) 05:56, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

 * yes, लाहौर is the official name and it has many other valid forms which are given at page लाहौर. but that doesnt mean that other names cant be there. eg india is the official name the country but other names like भारत, हिंदुस्तान, etc. exist in hindi. city of lava may be a theory but then someone considered it a valid one and attested the term ‘lavapura’ in his book. the translations in hindi/sanscrit are valid,search google and google books for yourself until i create those pages with valid references. Svā rt ava  06:31, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Just because someone considered it a valid one doesn't make it valid IMPNFHU (talk) 06:45, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

India is the official name in english and भारत is the official name in english. hindustan is not a official hindi name IMPNFHU (talk) 06:47, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Although this wikipedia article does not claim Lava-pura to be the only possible etymology for Lahore, it does make some compelling points. Given the alternative forms of the name, it's hard to write off the relation to Lava-pura as just a theory. In either case, the Sanskrit etymology is not even there on the page right now. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 06:49, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

"लाहौर" is the official and widely used name of of lahore. the other translations are unnecessary and just cause confusion. IMPNFHU (talk) 06:50, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

There's other theory that suggests that lahore is derived from ravi river which is much more believable than "city of lava" theory IMPNFHU (talk) 06:53, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

But still none of these theories have been proven yet. So don't state any of these theory as a fact just because you personally believe it to be true. IMPNFHU (talk) 06:55, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

 * even if [lava+pura] is dismissed as a theory, how does it make the translations invalid? search google books for लवपुरे, लवपुरं, etc. and see they exist. see ਲਾਹੋਰੁ. Svā rt ava  • 07:09, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Again, as I said, the etymology wasn't even present on the Lahore page. And as stated above, the Sanskrit translations definitely exist. The fact that you don't like an etymology does not make it baseless or untrue. If there are alternate possibilities for the etymology, you should be adding them without removing the current, sourced etymology which has a high likelihood of being true. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 11:51, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

revert on template:bn-sadhu-conj-c
hello, I just wanted to talk about how the transliteration and conjugation used on the template:bn-sadhu-conj-c was wrong, hence i reverted it. But it seems you have reverted my revert, I was just curious as to why because the conjugations and transliteration I used are correct and fit with the transliteration used for Bengali entries. Shohure Jagoron (talk) 05:45, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi; you transliterated as "sh" which is no doubt how it is informally written but on Wiktionary, ś is the character used not just for Bengali but for all Indic languages. You also replaced ô with o. User:Inqilābī made these edits for that very reason and you undid it, so I restored it to Inqilābī's version. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴)  08:09, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

ah i see the correction for ś, but as for ô and o, there is a nuance, ô only occurs everywhere except before syllables with the vowels I and u and in the ends of words, so in that aspect user:inquilabi was wrong. Hence something like বড় would be bôṛo, with ô signifying ɔ and o signifying o. Never boṛo. Likewise with conjugation, করিল (has done) would only be korilo, not kôrilô, since the inherent vowel comes at the end of the word as well as before a syllable with the vowel i. Compare this with করে (does) which would be, and truly is, pronounced kôre, never kore. I take I can fix it accordingly? Shohure Jagoron (talk) 11:07, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

of course there are other places where ô becomes o, but since we are talking about conjugation, these are really the only two phonetically relevant rules Shohure Jagoron (talk) 11:08, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi. You are unfamiliar with our Bengali transliteration. Due to vowel mutation, /ɔ/ becomes [ɔ̝~o] dialectally (including in the standard dialect), but this is not universal as this does not happen in Vaṅgiya dialects. Therefor, for vowels, we follow the orthography: hence বড় is transliterated bôṛô, করিল kôrilô, etc. Note that the pronunciation spellings বড়ো and করিলো exist, and only these should be transliterated bôṛo and kôrilo respectively.  ·~   dictátor · mundꟾ  16:00, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for the explanation but in this case, should we not alternate transliteration for dialects like vaṇgiya? And since Shadhu is a register of Standard Bengali, shouldn’t it also be transliterated according to its own vowel mutation?

Shohure Jagoron (talk) 07:46, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * In order to ensure that the intended person gets the notification about your message, you have to use USERNAME and then end your message with four tildes: . In this case, I get notified anyway because this is my talk page but Inqilābī doesn't. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴)  07:48, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Shohure Jagoron (talk) oh thank you, i am unfamiliar with how talk pages work.

Sorry l forgot to ping you last time, what do think of my proposal that we make the transliteration for the standard conjugations more defined since they are of course standard? Shohure Jagoron (talk) 19:34, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Shohure Jagoron: Replied on your talkpage. Sorry for the late reply, I did see your response. ·~   dictátor · mundꟾ  20:12, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Lahore
Fortunately, I do not need to edit this page. But if I did, I would be very annoyed by the block you have imposed. DonnanZ (talk) 09:07, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I wanted to make it autopatrollers only but that option was not available. It's due to expire anyway. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 17:23, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * According to the page history you set the block to expire on 6 August, then changed it to expire on 23 August, so the block will be there for another fortnight, as I see it. But the idea of autopatrollers only seems like a good one (apparently I am one - I had forgotten), it could be raised on the Beer Parlour. DonnanZ (talk) 18:36, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

 * You can do a user-specific block. By the way, I also support the idea of an autopatroller level of access. ·~   dictátor · mundꟾ  20:51, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd support that. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 01:13, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * For the time being, you can do a user-specific block; or can only bureaucrats do that? ·~   dictátor · mundꟾ  13:39, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I did think of a user-specific block, which would keep the page in question open. But it is better to avoid edit-warring altogether; a straight revert alerts the user whose edit you reverted, but it's so easy to do it, it could be said it's far too easy as it can start an edit war. It is better to use more subtle means to restore the original; the "offending" user doesn't get pinged as he would with a straight revert. DonnanZ (talk) 14:40, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I can; I was just concerned that he would be able to circumvent by editing the page as an IP or under a new name. Let's chance it anyway; I'll lift the restrictions and impose a page specific block on the user for the remainder of the time. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 01:01, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Question about derivation of & related words.
I just created a page for, and gathered that the root in PIE would have been , see page at Anc. Greek. But some hydronym pages such as Romanian links to this word and compares with. If I may have your time, could you have a look at the Sanskrit page in case I made some mistakes?

(BTW for something totally unrelated: your username in the Middle Chinese era would have been written like by the Chinese :) --Frigoris (talk) 11:34, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The entry looks great! Monier-Williams relates the term to which would make the PIE ancestor of this word (a derivative of) . Mayrhofer also supposes the PIE term to have been *sal- (thus leaning more towards ).
 * And it's really interesting to see my name being rendered in Middle Chinese; Chinese spellings of Sanskrit/Pali terms have always fascinated me! -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 17:35, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * hello! Thank you for the information. If you wish, could you put some of the information to the Etymology (and maybe remove anything inaccurate already there, such as the stuff I put there)? --Frigoris (talk) 18:26, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure thing! -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 01:13, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

 * Interestingly, there is a user whose name is cognate to yours. Guess who? ·~   dictátor · mundꟾ  20:53, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It's User:Bogdan, isn't it. I was taken aback when I first saw it. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 01:13, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, LOL. ·~   dictátor · mundꟾ  13:36, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Categorization by roots
Hi, just for confirmation: I think we generally only categorize a word by roots (PIE roots, etc.) if it is not a compound word. Therefore, I guess, should not be categorized by roots since it’s a synchronic formation, while its components हिम & आलय should definitely be categorized. I am sure it is pretty redundant to categorize synchronic derivatives by roots. Are you of the same opinion? Thanks. ·~  dictátor · mundꟾ  16:53, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I too prefer to limit categorisation to the primary derivatives of a root or at least such derivatives where there is only one component. It's the same line of reasoning that dictates that inh should (ideally) not be used when not all components of a particular word are inherited from the etymon given. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 02:51, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Need help again, Prakrit terms related to
Hello Bhagadatta - If you have the time, could you check the Prakrit terms in the descendant section at ? I'm interested in this word because it (eventually) gave rise to a very common "everyday" word in Chinese languages (for, the material) via borrowing and shifts in meaning. I got the Prakrit forms from Sheth's dictionary hosted at DSAL, and there seems to be many forms involved, some with the "vriddi"ed phā- while others not. The Turner comparative dictionary lists other forms. Surely some double checking could be used, I gather?

Also, the etymology of the Skt. term seems mysterious.

If you can help, please. Thanks! --Frigoris (talk) 15:37, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The descendants are correct. I'm looking to see if any more are available. The Prakrits have the medial /l/ because the voiceless retroflex stop was first voiced and then, as was common in Old Indo-Aryan and Middle Indo-Aryan, converted to the retroflex later flap via allophony. Finally, the retroflexion was abandoned, giving a simple /l/; a phenomenon we also see in the reflexes of Old Indo-Aryan . -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 09:37, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * thanks! Sorry I should've been more specific. I meant the Sanskrit term's origin seems to be elusive. I don't know about any claims of comparable etymologies in Indoeuropean languages, so I put up an RFE there. Do you have any insight about that? I've no doubt about how arose in Prakrit, which is important to the Chinese etymology. This also matches the derivation given by Chinese reference works.  --Frigoris (talk) 15:16, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that delay! I've added the (possible) etymology. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 03:07, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Disruptive edits by a supposed sockpuppeteer
/ /  has been on an agenda to unnecessarily revert my edits (e.g., ). I think a block is warranted, because undisclosed socks are not allowed to do disruptive edits. ·~  dictátor · mundꟾ  10:48, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

 * What disruption, Dictator Inqilabi? Socks shouldn't vote twice and should not disrupt discussions and should not make it seem that there is more support for anything than it actually is. I did none of it, Dictator Mundi, and I just wanted to clean up my bad reputation here (by one mistake I let it slip accidentally, some time before revealing it on my user page! By the way, Inqilabi, and Bhagadatta (two admins, mind you) already knew about it! And I damn care about WHAT YOU THINK. Svārtava2 • 14:13, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) I always thought that the whole Svartava thing was a bad idea, and said so when asked off-wiki, but it only becomes sockpuppetry by our standards when it's used to break the rules or gain an unfair advantage. They felt they were being stigmatized for all the mistakes they made starting off, and wanted to get a fresh start under a new name. They could have managed the transistion more gracefully (to put it mildly), but they meant well. They strike me as rather impulsive, and tending to do too much, too quickly, without thinking things through.
 * You, on the other hand, have a very strong tendency to mistake your personal preferences for immutable universal truths, and to treat any opposition as not just wrong, but illegitimate. The whole inh+/bor+ debacle is a prime example of the disruption this can cause. If you keep at your current course you're going to alienate all of your allies and end up talking to yourself in a corner somewhere about "what fools these mortals be".
 * I don't see any reason in this whole sorry mess for a block- yet. Chuck Entz (talk) 14:52, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I am seriously annoyed by their editwarring (, diff)— I was just mincing words to describe this wanton trouble-maker. Anyways, there was no need to tell their story which was known only to admins. And I disagree with your inh+/bor+ lesson. ·~   dictátor · mundꟾ  19:04, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I am seriously annoyed by your ridiculous ideas, you Hitler-like DICTATOR!. How dare you not count my contribs, dictator, before stating my as this wanton troublemaker? YOU are the REAL troublemaker here Svārtava2 • 02:48, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

 * OK, y'all, now this is a trivial issue which could have been resolved without having to come to blows. The usage of alt-text in etymologies, (something which I prefer to avoid) is not forbidden; although it should be considered how desirable it really is. There is a difference between undesirable and outright illegitimate.
 * It started off as people using the alt text parameter to show terms borrowed/inherited from Sanskrit in modern IA languages; possibly as a subtle suggestion that the fact that Sanskrit was written in the native script of these languages facilitated the borrowing; that is a harmless editing style which is idiosyncratic and aesthetic in nature. Obviously, a better approach is always using the script that people best know Sanskrit by: Devanagari. And in the case of Brahmi, it is better to not use that script in the alt-text parameter because the use of this script to write Sanskrit in a few inscriptions a couple millennia ago hardly justifies rendering every Sanskrit etymon in Brahmi. If this is to be made the standard, we can consult everyone who is likely to be involved (User:Kutchkutch as well) and agree not to engage in such editing again. Until then, no rules would have really been broken.
 * As for avoiding inh when only a part of the term comes from the etymon given: I think, in keeping with the KISS principle, this rule should be relaxed for pleonastic suffixes. When a term has two discernable components which independently function as words but the compound itself is not attested in the ancestor language (examples being et al.), I agree it's better to use der. But extending this rule to terms having pleonastic suffixes is unnecessarily pedantic - for then we will have to forbid any Hindi adjective or noun ending in ā from carrying the hi tag or reconstruct the exact Middle Indo-Aryan predecessor for each and every one of these terms. If we keep it simple and stupid, it can help to keep the categorisations accurate as well - people will look for tadbhava words in the inherited terms categories and a large percentage of tadbhavas not being there will not help. We have inc-ext now as well; and the way the template functions really tells you how terms were first inherited and then attached to affixes - even in the New Indo-Aryan stage. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴)  11:42, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Template:inherited states: ‘This template should not be used for terms that were reformed morphologically during their history. A morphological change breaks the chain of inheritance.’ Thus, it would be unfair if we relax the rule for pleonastic suffixes. Categorization should never be an issue: we still have tons of true inherited words in NIA. It is the traditional grammarian’s approach to consider any word akin to the OIA form, regardless of whether it was morphologically reformed or not, to be a tadbhava. However following the principles of diachronic linguistics, such forms are not at all inherited. We already nicely present descendants and derivations together in the Descendants section. Also, you will find sets of cognate words in the same language (such as, ) — one directly inherited and the other affixed with a pleonastic suffix. I never want to see them as doublets! Just for the sake of having ‘a full list of tadbhavas’, we should not be undermining Wiktionary’s legitimacy: here we are to make perfect etymologies and have the capacity to do the same, irrespective of what people have traditionally done in philology. We should really have this policy to prevent the misuse of the inh template. Calling for more input on this.  ·~   dictátor · mundꟾ  12:16, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The problems seem to be that:
 * We need a category '... refashioned from Sanskrit' corresponding to the use of because of morphological refashioning instead of plain ; and
 * You want a merger of categories '... inherited from Sanskrit' and '... refashioned from Sanskrit', for which a working title might be '... genetically derived from Sanskrit'.
 * One could make the latter a 'hidden' category so that it doesn't show up in the entry's footer.
 * Our policy disallows ignoring pleonastic suffixes - we are in the same position as with English 'hound' not being inherited from Indo-European. The problem is that another round of phonetic attrition could erase the pleonastic suffix -ka-, which is probably why I don't feel uneasy about forms with and without being described as doublets.
 * I think any solution derived here will merit exposure to the Beer Parlour for general comment. --RichardW57 (talk) 21:09, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Notifying Svārtava2 • 10:04, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Although the accuracy of Module:sa-convert is not entirely clear, that doesn’t mean that writing any given Sanskrit term in the Brahmi script is outright illegitimate. Even if Sanskrit in the Brahmi script is only attested in a few inscriptions a couple millennia ago, whether a particular Sanskrit term is attested in the Brahmi script should not be of importance since attestation should be independent of the script. If a term is attested in at least one script it should not matter what other scripts it is written in as long as they are supported by Module:sa-convert. Kutchkutch (talk) 22:53, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, look at the test cases! And provide them!  A particularly worry should be consonant clusters beginning with ra - I think we need some research into the variability of doubling after it.  Also, Khmer -ry- may be troublesome - Chuon Nath, for example, uses two different spellings for it. I have doubts about Lao syllabic consonants.  The issue here is that we should aim to get the spelling right.  There also needs to be a documented way of handling the cases where we don't know the spelling in the script. --RichardW57 (talk) 23:26, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * However, since this has caused conflicts and confusion, I’m fine with avoiding Brahmi for Sanskrit in certain locations if a compromise is needed and if we don’t want to venture too far into this grey area.
 * Regarding pleonastic suffixes, having der for pleonastic suffixes is unnecessarily pedantic for etymology sections. However, showing descendants with pleonastic affixes in the Derived terms section instead of the Descendants section may be more suitable in certain cases. Kutchkutch (talk) 22:53, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The derived terms section for a Sanskrit entry is reserved for Sanskrit terms. It is not available for descendants.  Are you proposing to include reconstructions in the derived terms section? --RichardW57 (talk) 23:26, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reminder. However, I was referring to something like 𑀣𑁄𑀅 + थोडे and 𑀓𑀧𑁆𑀧𑀟 + कपडा rather than Sanskrit. Kutchkutch (talk) 02:18, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Need help checking some Sanskrit descendants
Hey! Special:Contributions/90.74.121.13 This user had some long-standing, badly formatted edits here that I've just fixed (for the most part) but it led me to believe the edits were never patrolled? Anyway, if you could double-check their edits for correctness that would be good. Thanks! Fytcha (talk) 19:46, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Greetings. I have fixed them. They were correct but poorly formatted. As for, this Romani term was already listed as a descendant of . Thanks for bringing it to my attention. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 05:20, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for cleaning it up. Fytcha (talk) 09:34, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Proto-Indo-Aryan
Bhagadatta, why are you removing Proto-Indo-Aryan reconstructions from Sanskrit etymologies? -- 09:58, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

 * Those extra terms clutter the etymology section and are unnecessary when they are too identical to the Sanskrit, eg. . In बृहत् and छाया they don't look very useful either. Have you forgotten about the recent deletion of many useless PIA entries? —Svārtava [t•c•u•r] 11:41, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

 * I didn't ask you.  16:40, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * For the same reason you remove PIE constructions from Sanskrit entries. I want etymologies to be concise and PIA reconstructions (which are almost always Wiktionary-reconstructed and unsourced) take up space which can be used better by showing a few cognates. I do make it a point to include sa for the sake of categories. PIA reconstructions can be found on the reconstruction pages, so what's the big deal? I'm also in agreement that excessively long etymologies & cognate-lists should be avoided for languages further down the family tree like Hindi, but I think a few cognates and an etymology up to PIE is harmless for Sanskrit entries. I won't enforce anything on editors of other languages but this is the harmless aesthetic of my edits & I'd like to stick with it. I'm going to have to restore my edits at the two pages that you undid: they break no rules and are harmless. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 05:07, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

च़, ज़, झ़ in Marathi (and Konkani) headwords
Although these should not be used in page titles (as discussed in previous discussions), would it be okay to use them for headwords? Also, (with the nuqta) would link to चाक. Although they are nonstandard, there are a few publications that use them. Perhaps this could be extended to Konkani as well. Kutchkutch (talk) 22:42, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I have also seen the nuqta being used for Konkani. If you're in agreement, then sure, we could start showing these nonstandard spellings under the header. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 07:01, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the observation about Konkani. Although a somewhat opposite conclusion was agreed at Category_talk:Konkani_language, I wasn't aware that entry_name in Module:languages is what causes the Arabic script diacritics to be removed in links. In addition to Turner's transliterations, R:gu:Gujaratilexicon and dictionaries use the nuqta for some words. Despite being nonstandard, it would be helpful to provide an indication of these sounds in the script without having to rely on the IPA. If it needs to be shown that a term can be pronounced multiple ways, head2 etc. could be used. For Konkani, would the Kannada-script equivalents be ಚ಼, ಜ಼ and ಝ಼, and is there a way to show the alternate pronunciations of अ, ए ओ etc. in the Devanagari/Kannada scripts ? Kutchkutch (talk) 02:50, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, yes, the Kannada-script equivalents should be ಚ಼, ಜ಼ and ಝ಼ but I have never seen them used. It seems the Kannada script for Konkani simply uses ಚ, ಜ & ಝ. As for the vowels, the roundness and openness of the vowel represented by अ depends on the dialect. Broadly it is the Konkani as spoken by the Catholics that rounds the /ə/. This is why the Latin script spellings use o as an equivalent of अ. The short vowels e & o are represented by ಎ & ಒ and their longer counterparts by ಏ & ಓ whereas in Devanagari both the short and long vowels are represented by ए & ओ, except for some, rare sources which use ऎ & ऒ for the short vowels. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 05:25, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

लुण्ट्
Do you think it would be OK to add back the Descendants section here (but not add anything to the etymology)? Prahlad balaji (talk) 04:06, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, in fact, I wasn't even aware that you'd added the descendants too. I thought I was only reverting the wrong etymology. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 05:09, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. I was asking this because a user before me had removed the descendants section and I wasn't sure if it was appropriate to add it back. Prahlad balaji (talk) 05:13, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

ऋक्ष
I noticed you'd reverted this edit that added अच्छ as a descendant of ऋक्ष: it's unclear why? अच्छ has this etymology mentioned and you can confirm it from the source linked there. Manish Earth Talk •  Stalk 16:45, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Because it isn't a direct corruption of per se although Monier labels it as one. It is rather borrowed from Pali or Prakrit, as evidenced by its attestation date. It is definitely true that Pali  is itself from Sanskrit  but your edit made it seem like  was inherited by Sanskrit from Sanskrit. If you really want to show  on the descendants section of ऋक्ष, you could add it as   BELOW the Pali descendant, marking it as a borrowing rather than a direct descendant. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴)  01:05, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * With older sources like Monier Williams, the best approach is to pay attention to the information on who used it and when with what meanings, but mostly ignore what they say about origins- unless it's verified by a more modern source. Loaded terms like "corruption" are generally avoided by modern etymologists, so that should serve as a red flag that it's likely based on outmoded theories. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:07, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Makes sense, thanks! I was unaware of that distinction in descendant lists. Manish  Earth Talk •  Stalk 05:37, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Continuation of User_talk:Bhagadatta/2020
(Here because of ) I think it is useful to keep etymological chains up until 5 terms, as this also shows the user the evolution of the word over time. Could we keep an upper limit on the number of terms one can keep in such an etymology? Pinging as involved in the previous discussion --Rishabhbhat (talk) 14:09, 27 December 2021 (UTC) --Rishabhbhat (talk) 14:30, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * strongly per previous discussion. Currently, I see the major etymology section cluttering problem in NIA entries is that of a lot of cognates and lots of alternative script forms like at Special:Permalink/64957362. Adding 5-terms long etymology chains will only make the matters worse. —Svārtava [t•c•u•r] 15:47, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello Mr. Bhat! That used to be my style of writing etymologies as well, until the practice came under considerable scrutiny. I then adopted a compromised version: let's at least have the full etymology for classical/ancient languages and truncate the etymologies of modern languages if we must, since they have a longer chain of evolution. I am not really a fan of making a user click through zillion pages to get its full etymology: that is the case now in many English entries and irks me to have to navigate through multiple pages to get to the PIE term. Back when they used to have complete etymologies, reading these fascinated me, an outsider, to study more about etymology and that is how I got into editing Wiktionary as a contributor rather than just a reader. Moreover, I see that at you only added a PIE etym, without causing any cluttering, so I believe,, it wasn't very courteous of you to change the wording in an entry someone else created without consulting them through the entry's talk page first. Such changes are warranted only when the present content is alarming to site visitors. As I have always insisted, we should allow for ample scope for idiosyncratic editing styles and leave decisions related to such harmless details up to the person who added the content.  You may re-add the PIE etymology if you wish. -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴)  09:00, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I see, so just to be clear, we can add from, ultimately from , right? --Rishabhbhat (talk) 12:51, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Rishabhbhat: Not if the etymology is already "from Old Hindi, from Sauraseni Apabhramsa, from Prakrit, from Ashokan Prakrit, from Sanskrit". If it is without cluttering the section like in the above page, then there is no problem with it per Bhagadatta. —Svārtava [t•c•u•r] 13:01, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

title: User talk:Pulimaiyi/2021


text:
чорнозем

Etymology
From, combining form of.

Noun

 * 1) chernozem, black soil

Declension
CAT:Ukrainian compound terms

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: чорнозем


text:
чорноземля

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) chernozem, black soil

Declension
CAT:Ukrainian compound terms

title: чорноземля


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁၢပ်ႇ

Noun

 * 1) person who carries, porter, coolie

title: ၵူၼ်းႁၢပ်ႇ


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁၢပ်ႇၶျေႃး

Noun

 * 1) porter, force laborer

title: ၵူၼ်းႁၢပ်ႇၶျေႃး


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁႃပႃ

Noun

 * 1) fisherman, angler

title: ၵူၼ်းႁႃပႃ


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁႅင်း

Noun

 * 1) strong person, hale and hearty person

title: ၵူၼ်းႁႅင်း


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁိတ်ႉ

Noun

 * 1) glutton

title: ၵူၼ်းႁိတ်ႉ


text:
대피

Etymology 1
.

Noun

 * 1) evacuation, taking shelter

Etymology 2
.

title: 대피


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁဵတ်းၵၢၼ်

Noun

 * 1) worker, employee

title: ၵူၼ်းႁဵတ်းၵၢၼ်


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁဵတ်းၵၢၼ်ငၢၼ်း

Noun

 * 1) businessman

title: ၵူၼ်းႁဵတ်းၵၢၼ်ငၢၼ်း


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁဵတ်းၵူၼ်းသၢင်ႈ

Noun

 * 1) workman, operator

title: ၵူၼ်းႁဵတ်းၵူၼ်းသၢင်ႈ


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁဵတ်းၵႂၢမ်း

Noun

 * 1) singer

title: ၵူၼ်းႁဵတ်းၵႂၢမ်း


text:
မေႃၵႂၢမ်း

Noun

 * 1) singer

title: မေႃၵႂၢမ်း


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁဵတ်းသူၼ်

Noun

 * 1) gardener

title: ၵူၼ်းႁဵတ်းသူၼ်


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁဵတ်းဢမူႉ

Noun

 * 1) plaintiff, prosecutor

title: ၵူၼ်းႁဵတ်းဢမူႉ


text:
Talk:beware

Etymology
Is this actually a cognate with German bewahren? Eric Schiefelbein (talk) 08:01, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

title: Talk:beware


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁဵတ်းၼင်

Noun

 * 1) potter

title: ၵူၼ်းႁဵတ်းၼင်


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁဵတ်းမၢၵ်ႇလေႃႉ

Noun

 * 1) wheelwright

title: ၵူၼ်းႁဵတ်းမၢၵ်ႇလေႃႉ


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁဵတ်းလေႃႉ

Noun

 * 1) cartwright

title: ၵူၼ်းႁဵတ်းလေႃႉ


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁဵတ်းႁူဝ်ပၵ်းၶိတ်း

Noun

 * 1) tumbler

title: ၵူၼ်းႁဵတ်းႁူဝ်ပၵ်းၶိတ်း


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁဵတ်းႁိူၼ်း

Noun

 * 1) builder

title: ၵူၼ်းႁဵတ်းႁိူၼ်း


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁဵတ်းဢွၵ်ႇၶူဝ်း

Noun

 * 1) manufacturer

title: ၵူၼ်းႁဵတ်းဢွၵ်ႇၶူဝ်း


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁႅၼ်းၶဝ်ႈၽၵ်း

Noun

 * 1) steward, butler

title: ၵူၼ်းႁႅၼ်းၶဝ်ႈၽၵ်း


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁူႉၸၵ်း

Noun

 * 1) recognizes, acquaintance

title: ၵူၼ်းႁူႉၸၵ်း


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁူႉယႂ်ႇႁၼ်ၼမ်

Noun

 * 1) well informed person, experienced person

title: ၵူၼ်းႁူႉယႂ်ႇႁၼ်ၼမ်


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁုင်ၶဝ်ႈ

Noun

 * 1) cook, chef

title: ၵူၼ်းႁုင်ၶဝ်ႈ


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁူင်းၵၢၼ်

Noun

 * 1) staff

title: ၵူၼ်းႁူင်းၵၢၼ်


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁူမ်ႈၵၼ်ၵႃႉ

Noun

 * 1) partner, shareholder

title: ၵူၼ်းႁူမ်ႈၵၼ်ၵႃႉ


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁႆႇၵႂၢမ်း

Noun

 * 1) musician, musicians

title: ၵူၼ်းႁႆႇၵႂၢမ်း


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁေႃႈ

Noun

 * 1) driver

title: ၵူၼ်းႁေႃႈ


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁေႃႈၵႃး

Noun

 * 1) driver, motorist

title: ၵူၼ်းႁေႃႈၵႃး


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁေႃႈရထႃး

Noun

 * 1) train engineer

title: ၵူၼ်းႁေႃႈရထႃး


text:
diamond hands

Noun

 * 1)  The resolve or stubbornness of an investor to hold on to a financial asset despite its volatility.

Antonyms

 * paper hands

title: diamond hands


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁေႃႈႁိူဝ်းမိၼ်

Noun

 * 1) pilot

title: ၵူၼ်းႁေႃႈႁိူဝ်းမိၼ်


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁေႃးတြႃး

Noun

 * 1) preacher, person who preaches sermon

title: ၵူၼ်းႁေႃးတြႃး


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁိူၼ်းၸမ်ၵၼ်

Noun

 * 1) neighbor

title: ၵူၼ်းႁိူၼ်းၸမ်ၵၼ်


text:
ၵူၼ်းႁိူဝ်း

Noun

 * 1) crew, sailor

title: ၵူၼ်းႁိူဝ်း


text:
ၵူၼ်းဢၢၼ်ႇငိုၼ်း

Noun

 * 1) teller

title: ၵူၼ်းဢၢၼ်ႇငိုၼ်း


text:
ၵူၼ်းဢမ်ႇၶွပ်ႇဢမ်ႇၵၢင်

Noun

 * 1) person either good nor bad

title: ၵူၼ်းဢမ်ႇၶွပ်ႇဢမ်ႇၵၢင်


text:
ၵူၼ်းဢမ်ႇမီးၽႃႇသႃႇ

Noun

 * 1) atheist

title: ၵူၼ်းဢမ်ႇမီးၽႃႇသႃႇ


text:
ၵူၼ်းဢႃႉ

Noun

 * 1) dumb person

title: ၵူၼ်းဢႃႉ


text:
neighborlily

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1) In a neighborly manner.

title: neighborlily


text:
ၵူၼ်းဢုပ်ႇလူင်

Noun

 * 1) boaster, braggart

title: ၵူၼ်းဢုပ်ႇလူင်


text:
ၵူၼ်းဢိုပ်း

Noun

 * 1) starving person

title: ၵူၼ်းဢိုပ်း


text: Sekundenzeigern

title: Sekundenzeigern


text:
paper hands

Noun

 * 1)  The fragility or insecurity of an investor to sell a financial asset upon an early or dubious indication of downturn.

Antonyms

 * diamond hands

title: paper hands


text: Trennschleifern

title: Trennschleifern


text: Trennschleifers

title: Trennschleifers


text: Winkelschleifern

title: Winkelschleifern


text: Winkelschleifers

title: Winkelschleifers


text: Doppelschleifern

title: Doppelschleifern


text: Doppelschleifers

title: Doppelschleifers


text:
autowy

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1)  touch

title: autowy


text: Doppelschleifmaschinen

title: Doppelschleifmaschinen


text:
mílite

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) militant, soldier

title: mílite


text:
WAGMI

Phrase

 * 1)   An expression of comradery.

title: WAGMI


text: mílites

title: mílites


text: 行实

title: 行实


text: 半饷

title: 半饷


text: 半餉

title: 半餉


text: bànshǎng

title: bànshǎng


text:
पल्ली

Etymology 1
, ultimately. Compare 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) house lizard, common house gecko

Etymology 2
, ultimately. Compare 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) small village, esp. settlement of wild tribes

title: पल्ली


text:
親聆

Verb

 * 1)  to listen with one's own ears

title: 親聆


text: 亲聆

title: 亲聆


text: Thesaurus:演變

title: Thesaurus:演變


text: 前衿

title: 前衿


text: qiánjīn

title: qiánjīn


text:
unlikelily

Etymology
From.

Adverb

 * 1)  In an unlikely manner.

title: unlikelily


text: 亲耳

title: 亲耳


text:
親耳

Adverb

 * 1) hearing with one's own ears

title: 親耳


text: qīn'ěr

title: qīn'ěr


text: ròutòng

title: ròutòng


text: Template:table:Solar System/eo

title: Template:table:Solar System/eo


text:
堵截

Verb

 * 1) to block; to obstruct; to intercept

title: 堵截


text: dǔjié

title: dǔjié


text:
polohopis

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) topography

title: polohopis


text:
výškopis

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) altitude

title: výškopis


text: merekomendasikan

title: merekomendasikan


text:
dziękczynić

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to thanksgive

title: dziękczynić


text: 分詞現在

title: 分詞現在


text:
povahopis

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) character

title: povahopis


text: 分詞過去

title: 分詞過去


text: Gorsts

title: Gorsts


text:
druhopis

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) duplicate

title: druhopis


text: sillyly

title: sillyly


text: Edghills

title: Edghills


text:
čistopis

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) clean copy
 * 2) fair copy

title: čistopis


text:
dobropis

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) credit note
 * 2) credit slip
 * 1) credit slip

title: dobropis


text:
ឧទ្ធម្ភាគចក្រ

Noun

 * 1)  helicopter

title: ឧទ្ធម្ភាគចក្រ


text:
їден

Etymology
From, ultimately from.

title: їден


text:
blygsel

Etymology
From. Akin to 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) shyness

Usage notes

 * Was considered feminine prior to the 2012 spelling reform. The alternative form still is.

title: blygsel


text: pædant

title: pædant


text: pædants

title: pædants


text: 泰順

title: 泰順


text: 泰顺

title: 泰顺


text:
幼生

Noun

 * 1) larva

title: 幼生


text:
spolupodpis

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) countersignature

title: spolupodpis


text: Killenbergs

title: Killenbergs


text:
chorobopis

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) health record
 * 2) medical record

title: chorobopis


text:
luchtdoelraket

Etymology
Compound of.

Noun

 * 1) antiair rocket, antiair missile

title: luchtdoelraket


text: luchtdoelraketten

title: luchtdoelraketten


text:
rubopis

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) endorsement

title: rubopis


text:
vrubopis

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) debit note

title: vrubopis


text: کاريت

title: کاريت


text:
luchtdoel

Etymology
Compound of.

Noun

 * 1) aerial target; something that is to be targeted by antiair weaponry

title: luchtdoel


text: luchtdoelen

title: luchtdoelen


text:
묘포

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) seedbed
 * 2) plant nursery

title: 묘포


text:
vodopis

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) hydrography

title: vodopis


text:
živočichopis

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  zoology

title: živočichopis


text:
lékopis

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) formulary, pharmacopoeia

title: lékopis


text:
prvopis

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) original, top copy

title: prvopis


text:
Talk:Cäsar

Noun genitive
There are many hits for "eines Cäsars" but that works for the proper noun too. Semantically speaking, it can be hard to differentiate what really is the noun use and what is a use of the proper noun as a simile. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 10:41, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree, so I'll add alternative/rarer strong singular declension for the common noun. In the plural, however, I think the difference is clear: only "Cäsars" or "Cäsar" is used for several persons called "Cäsar" and only "Cäsaren" for the title. 88.64.225.117 05:17, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

title: Talk:Cäsar


text:
raketinslag

Etymology
Compound of.

Noun

 * 1) the explosion, impact or visible or tangible damage (like an impact crater) of a rocket or missile

title: raketinslag


text: raketinslagen

title: raketinslagen


text:
sindak

Noun

 * 1) sudden fear or fright; terror

title: sindak


text:
폭격

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) bombing, bombardment

title: 폭격


text:
vpis

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) inscription

title: vpis


text: aanvalsgeweren

title: aanvalsgeweren


text:
horopis

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) orography

title: horopis


text:
vaivutus

Noun

 * 1) putting into sleep, coma, etc.

title: vaivutus


text:
vajennus

Noun

 * 1) diminishing, making scarce

title: vajennus


text:
vakiinnutus

Noun

 * 1) establishing, solidifying, settling getting one's position, power, economy etc. on a solid basis from the state of uncertainty or turmoil

title: vakiinnutus


text:
valahdus

Noun

 * 1) slumping

title: valahdus


text:
valastus

Noun

 * 1) whaling, hunting for whales

title: valastus


text:
valkkaus

Noun

 * 1) selecting, hand-picking

title: valkkaus


text:
valutus

Noun

 * 1) trickling causing to trickle
 * 2) tapping
 * 3) instilling

title: valutus


text:
valvotus

Noun

 * 1) keeping awake

title: valvotus


text:
vanhennus

Noun

 * 1) making older

title: vanhennus


text:
vankennus

Noun

 * 1) strengthening

title: vankennus


text:
vankistus

Noun

 * 1) making robust or sturdy

title: vankistus


text:
vanutus

Noun

 * 1) fulling making cloth denser and firmer by soaking, beating and pressing

title: vanutus


text:
vapahdus

Noun

 * 1)  redeeming

title: vapahdus


text:
varhennus

Noun

 * 1) making earlier, pushing forward

title: varhennus


text:
varistus

Noun

 * 1) shedding, losing, dropping e.g. leaves

title: varistus


text:
varjelus

Noun

 * 1) protection, defense

title: varjelus


text:
varmennus

Noun

 * 1) confirming, verifying

title: varmennus


text:
varppaus

Noun

 * 1)  warping moving a vessel by hauling on a line or cable that is fastened to an anchor or pier

title: varppaus


text:
varrennus

Noun

 * 1)  grafting inserting a graft in a branch or stem of another tree

title: varrennus


text:
varsotus

Noun

 * 1) foaling

title: varsotus


text:
vasoitus

Noun

 * 1) joisting

title: vasoitus


text:
vatkaus

Noun

 * 1)  whisking, whipping

title: vatkaus


text:
vatkutus

Noun

 * 1) dwelling on, harping on repeatedly mention a subject

title: vatkutus


text:
vauhditus

Noun

 * 1) speeding up, pushing, giving a push causing a process to proceed faster

title: vauhditus


text:
vavahdus

Noun

 * 1) shaking, shake causing something to shake once and heavily

title: vavahdus


text:
vavistus

Noun

 * 1) shiver, shudder

title: vavistus


text:
vehtaus

Noun

 * 1) romping, frolicking, cavorting
 * 2) making out engaging in sexual activity

title: vehtaus


text:
veisaus

Noun

 * 1) psalming, singing singing for the praise of God, especially hymns in a divine service

title: veisaus


text:
veivaus

Noun

 * 1) cranking

title: veivaus


text:
velvoitus

Noun

 * 1) obligating

title: velvoitus


text: Eastbrook

title: Eastbrook


text:
inslagkrater

Etymology
Compound of.

Noun

 * 1) impact crater

title: inslagkrater


text: inslagkraters

title: inslagkraters


text: Category:ka:Leuciscine fish

title: Category:ka:Leuciscine fish


text: gottgläubige

title: gottgläubige


text: gottgläubigem

title: gottgläubigem


text: gottgläubiges

title: gottgläubiges


text:
ofukiwać

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to berate, to chide

title: ofukiwać


text:
normopis

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) standard page

title: normopis


text:
ofuknąć

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to berate, to chide

title: ofuknąć


text:
ტაფელა

Etymology
From. .

Noun

 * 1) European bitterling

title: ტაფელა


text:
eduskuntapuolue

Etymology
From 🇰🇲.

Noun

 * 1) A political party that has one or more representative in a given parliament.

title: eduskuntapuolue


text: Category:ccs-gzn-pro:Fish

title: Category:ccs-gzn-pro:Fish


text: gottgläubigen

title: gottgläubigen


text:
sigang

Etymology
From. Compare 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, and 🇨🇬.

Noun

 * 1) placing of a cooking utensil on a stove or fire
 * 2) anything being cooked in a pot or in any cooking utensil
 * 1) anything being cooked in a pot or in any cooking utensil

title: sigang


text: Hollandrade

title: Hollandrade


text:
Reconstruction:Proto-Georgian-Zan/ṭapel-

Noun

 * 1) nase (Chondrostoma)

Descendants

 * Zan:
 * Zan:


text: Hollandfahrrade

title: Hollandfahrrade


text:
stormgeweer

Etymology
From, in the sense “assault rifle” a.

Noun

 * 1) assault rifle
 * 2)  any weapon or weaponry used for storming a settlement or fortification
 * 1)  any weapon or weaponry used for storming a settlement or fortification

title: stormgeweer


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title: Category:xmf:Leuciscine fish


text: stormgeweren

title: stormgeweren


text: ტოფჷ

title: ტოფჷ


text: ტოფი

title: ტოფი


text:
ტოფუ

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) nase ( spp. esp., )

title: ტოფუ


text: DLVV

title: DLVV


text: Hobbymusikern

title: Hobbymusikern


text:
eduskuntalaki

Etymology
From 🇰🇲.

Noun

 * 1)  a statute passed by the parliament

title: eduskuntalaki


text:
fusil de précision

Noun

 * 1) sniper rifle

title: fusil de précision


text:
Melitopol

Etymology
and, , compare modern 🇨🇬, from.

Translations

 * Armenian: Մելիտոպոլ
 * Belarusian: Меліто́паль, Мэліто́паль
 * Dutch: Melitopol
 * Farefare: Melitopoli
 * Finnish: Melitopol
 * French:
 * Georgian: მელიტოპოლი
 * Greek:
 * Ancient Greek: Μελιτόπολις
 * Hungarian:
 * Latin: Melitopolis
 * Latvian: Melitopole
 * Lithuanian: Melitopolis
 * Marathi: मेलिटोपोल
 * Polish: Melitopol
 * Russian:
 * Spanish: Melitópol
 * Ukrainian:, Меліто́піль

title: Melitopol


text:
videoboodschap

Etymology
Compound of.

Noun

 * 1) video message

title: videoboodschap


text: videoboodschappen

title: videoboodschappen


text:
fuknąć

Etymology
From.

Verb

 * 1)  to snort, to splutter
 * 2)  to say something abrasively, angrily
 * 1)  to say something abrasively, angrily

title: fuknąć


text:
controlepost

Etymology
Compound of.

Noun

 * 1) control post, checkpoint

title: controlepost


text: controleposten

title: controleposten


text:
envolvência

Noun

 * 1) surroundings,  environment
 * 2) involvement,  immersion,  engagement
 * 3) atmosphere

title: envolvência


text:
grenspost

Etymology
Compound of.

Noun

 * 1) borderpost

title: grenspost


text: grensposten

title: grensposten


text:
hipomaníaco

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1) hypomaniac

title: hipomaníaco


text:
szajspapier

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  asswipe
 * 2)  poor quality paper
 * 1)  poor quality paper

title: szajspapier


text: اينسيکلوڤيديا

title: اينسيکلوڤيديا


text:
papier toaletowy

Noun

 * 1) toilet paper

title: papier toaletowy


text:
toaletowy

Etymology
From.

Adjective

 * 1)  toilet

title: toaletowy


text:
grensovergang

Etymology
Compound of.

Noun

 * 1) border crossing

title: grensovergang


text: grensovergangen

title: grensovergangen


text:
betalingsverkeer

Etymology
Compound of.

Noun

 * 1) traffic of payment transactions

title: betalingsverkeer


text: الاتحاد الروسي

title: الاتحاد الروسي


text:
trep

Etymology
, from.

Noun

 * 1)  clog

Noun

 * 1)  fool
 * 2)  professional soldier
 * 1)  professional soldier

title: trep


text:
handelssanctie

Etymology
Compound of.

Noun

 * 1)  trade sanction measure related to trade intended to encourage compliance

title: handelssanctie


text: handelssancties

title: handelssancties


text: blygsla

title: blygsla


text: blygsle

title: blygsle


text:
kałasznikow

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) Kalashnikov

title: kałasznikow


text: KAB

title: KAB


text: Category:English terms borrowed from Ngarrindjeri


text: Category:Terms borrowed from Ngarrindjeri


text:
കഠിനം

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) hard

title: കഠിനം


text:
കഠിനമായ

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) hard

title: കഠിനമായ


text:
فدرالية

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) federation

title: فدرالية


text:
اتحادية

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1) federation

title: اتحادية


text:
onucka

Etymology
From.

title: onucka


text:
فدرالي

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) federal

title: فدرالي


text:
skirsl

Etymology
From.

title: skirsl


text:
skirsle

Etymology
From. The verb is derived from the noun.

Noun

 * 1) baptism

Verb

 * 1) to baptize, christen
 * 2) to purify
 * 1) to purify

title: skirsle


text:
skirsel

Etymology
From. Equivalent to.

Derived terms

 * Was considered grammatically feminine prior to the 2012 spelling reform. The alternative form still is.

title: skirsel


text:
kałach

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1)  Kalashnikov

title: kałach


text:
kałasz

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1)  Kalashnikov

title: kałasz


text:
halda kjafti

Etymology
Literally "to hold one's mouth", cognate with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, and 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1)  to shut one's mouth; to shut up

Synonyms

 * þegiðu
 * haltu þér saman
 * haltu saman á þér þverrifunni

title: halda kjafti


text: другово

title: другово


text: градско

title: градско


text: Category:Wrocław Polish

title: Category:Wrocław Polish


text: лозово

title: лозово


text: новаци

title: новаци


text: Вевчани

title: Вевчани


text:
User:JeffDoozan/lists/es pages to delete bot

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text: روسيا الاتحادية

title: روسيا الاتحادية


text:
ܐܙܠ

Etymology
From ; related to 🇨🇬.

Verb

 * 1) to go, depart
 * 2)  to die
 * 3)  gone, wasted, damaged in an irreparable manner
 * 1)  to die
 * 2)  gone, wasted, damaged in an irreparable manner

Usage notes

 * In some dialects of colloquial Assyrian Neo-Aramaic, such as Urmian, the gerund, past, and imperative forms of this verb are not used; the corresponding forms of are used instead.
 * In some dialects of Nineveh Plains, the forms and  are used for the imperative form instead, coming from the archaic verb, which outside the imperative form is mostly attested in other Aramaic dialects and rarely in Classical Syriac.

title: ܐܙܠ


text:
protesttocht

Etymology
Compound of

Noun

 * 1)  protest march

title: protesttocht


text: protesttochten

title: protesttochten


text:
protestmars

Etymology
Compound of.

Noun

 * 1) protest march

title: protestmars


text: protestmarsen

title: protestmarsen


text:
coróinvíreas

Etymology
From. Combination of.

title: coróinvíreas


text:
순항 유도탄

Noun

 * 1) cruise missile

title: 순항 유도탄


text:
kompartıman

Etymology
From, from.

Noun

 * 1) compartment

title: kompartıman


text:
review article

Noun

 * 1) A type of academic publication that reviews previous studies in order to summarise current knowledge about a specific topic.

Translations

 * Finnish:, katsausartikkeli, , review-artikkeli

title: review article


text: review articles

title: review articles


text: marungu

title: marungu


text: Citations:Wanfow

title: Citations:Wanfow


text:
cohort study

Noun

 * 1) A type of research project in which participants sharing a common feature (the cohort) are studied over a long period of time.

Translations

 * Arabic: دِرَاسَة الْأَتْرَاب, دِرَاسَة التَّعَرُّض, دِرَاسَة أَتْرَابِيَّة
 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Finnish: kohorttitutkimus
 * French: étude de cohorte
 * Georgian:
 * German: Kohortenstudie
 * Japanese:
 * Polish: badanie kohorty
 * Russian: кого́ртное иссле́дование
 * Swedish: kohortstudie

title: cohort study


text: cohort studies

title: cohort studies


text:
scoping review

Noun

 * 1) An academic investigation of the available literature on a particular topic conducted to assess the extent of research undertaken and currently ongoing.

title: scoping review


text: scoping reviews

title: scoping reviews


text: víreas corónach

title: víreas corónach


text:
Talk:GAFB

RFD discussion: February 2022
Air force bases do not meet WT:CFI. This, that and the other (talk) 02:38, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

 * Keep. We aren't providing definitions of the air force bases; we are defining acronyms, and the definition of the acronym happens to be multiple possible air force bases. This reminds me of the J-Lo/K-Stew/Scar-Jo debacle. I wanted all of those deleted, but it didn't work out that way. We wouldn't have an entry for Jennifer Lopez, but apparently we will for J-Lo, and I can't see much difference between having a nickname for a person and an acronym for an air force base. bd2412 T 07:54, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
 * What distinguishes the two situations is that abbreviations like "J-Lo" and "Scar-Jo" are novel, unpredictable, and applied to relatively few people, while "GAFB" is completely predictable - about as mundane an abbreviation as you can get. Therefore I think we should fall back to vanilla CFI and exclude it. This, that and the other (talk) 11:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

 * It seems comparable to our (good) practice of having, say, BBC for "British Broadcasting Corporation", but no entry for the full expanded form. As stated above, we are listing the words that the acronym stands for, not writing a definition describing the air force base or whatever else. Equinox ◑ 11:06, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

 * (Sigh. We do, foolishly, have British Broadcasting Corporation. Well you can think of better examples than I can.) Equinox ◑ 11:07, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, for two reasons:
 * There are an enormous number of terms which are acceptable as definitions for initialisms/acronyms that fail CFI. Otherwise, we'd have to delete well-known terms like UCLA or CDC.
 * Wiktionary exists as a reference guide. The fact that GAFB is mundane doesn't help someone who doesn't actually know what it stands for in a given situation.
 * Theknightwho (talk) 11:51, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, these can be useful, but I think they should be linked to Wikipedia pages - I wondered where the hell Glasgow Air Force Base was, so I fixed that one. DonnanZ (talk) 15:48, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
 * You're right that the senses should all link to Wikipedia. Of course, that then makes our entry essentially redundant to the Wikipedia disambiguation page GAFB - admittedly that was my "intuitive" reason for this deletion nomination. It seems pointless for us to maintain this entry when it conveys less information than the corresponding Wikipedia page and cannot possibly add any more details of lexical interest. But I don't think we have a policy about that. This, that and the other (talk) 22:15, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per norm. ·~   dictátor · mundꟾ  21:55, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think if we deleted initialisms whose full versions are not entry-worthy, then we'd run into the issue where we sometimes have an entry but it defines only a rare sense, leaving any user who wants to look up the common senses confused (e.g. AFP where all but the biochemical senses would have to be deleted; I'm sure there are better examples even). We don't want that; it is also the reason why we have &lit. Furthermore, I disagree that such pages are just a copy-paste of Wikipedia's disambiguation page; our attestation-based CFI are a lot more inclusive than Wikipedia's notability requirements. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 11:00, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: I don’t believe we have a rule that entries for abbreviations and initialisms cannot exist unless the full terms have entries in their own right. (Of course, having the abbreviation or initialism is not a justification for then creating the full term.) — SGconlaw (talk) 19:35, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Happy for this to be RFD-kept. This, that and the other (talk) 04:50, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

RFV discussion: February–March 2022
Rfv-sense: Grissom Air Force Base. It’s a former name, the current name being. (Just wanted to be sure if the initialism for this old name is attested.) ·~   dictátor · mundꟾ  22:25, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

 * Easily found in a Google Books search. Always worth checking first. Equinox ◑ 19:40, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

RFV-resolved This, that and the other (talk) 11:05, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

title: Talk:GAFB


text:
Talk:go to one's room

RFD discussion: January–February 2022
Tagged by (WF). Why I don't know. The definition makes it pretty clear that the verb has more implications than its sum of parts. Need I present linguistic evidence to show that this phrase in fact carries that specific idiomatic meaning? PseudoSkull vacay (talk) 22:57, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

 * I can't see how this is any more idiomatic than stay after the class, you're under arrest or bend over and take it like the dirty slut that you are Br00pVain (talk) 22:57, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * How so? The implications are very specific and set to this specific phrase as far as I've ever known, and the specifics cannot be determined by the mere sum of its parts. Ngram comparison between "go to your room now" and "go to your bedroom now" makes my case clear that this is, at worst, a set phrase with an extended meaning, and at best, a properly idiomatic phrase. (you're under arrest might be a good phrasebook entry though...) PseudoSkull vacay (talk) 23:04, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * (apparently, according to The Free Dictionary, go to your room is also a synonym of on your bike. Is this true? Never heard of it. If so that might deserve an entry on its own...) PseudoSkull vacay (talk) 23:06, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

 * Another entry for Cpt. Literal – Jberkel 23:47, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Nice snarky comment—unfortunately it has nothing to do with whether or not my entry agrees with CFI standards so what's the point of it? PseudoSkull vacay (talk) 13:52, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok then, the only information this entry seems to provide is that you're supposed to stay in your room after you've gone to it. Do we really need to explain all implied meanings of simple sentences? There's only a literal sense, which makes it SOP. Delete – Jberkel 14:51, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, we really do, when in this context it is only used this way. While someone could just say "I went to my room and got X", saying "go to your room" to a child (in the US at least) always means "go to your room and stay there as a punishment". Always. Or at least 99% of the time. The Idiom Dictionary has an entry on go to your room as well (for a lemming argument), but for some reason half the time it shows up as a synonym of on your bike, and half the time it shows up as this sense. I honestly don't know what causes that bug, but whatever... To be fair, you also can have "I sent him to his room", however the meaning is more literal there than in this entry. PseudoSkull vacay (talk) 15:20, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The Idiom Dictionary has "A literal command typically issued by a parent to a child ". Exactly that is the problem. The “…and stay there” is just implied (and sometimes even said). That isn't so surprising as to warrant its own entry. – Jberkel 16:24, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 18:43, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * To expand on my "delete", this fails for two reasons. First, the imperative  can generally have a connotation of "go... and remain".  Lawyers write "cease and desist".  Humans say "stop" with the understanding that it means "don't start for some amount of time, or ever".   Second, this is not a findable spelling.  The imperative is go to your room.  And this phrase, in the forms used by human beings, can equally well be said in sentences like "Go to your room and get me the laundry basket."  Better suited overall for a blog post on Wikipedia under "American child-minding habits." Vox Sciurorum (talk) 13:41, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

 * I think this should be at send one to one's room (or perhaps send to one's room), which is used idiomatically to mean to punish someone even where no "room" is actually involved. bd2412 T 03:31, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * “Should be at”??? These are completely different dictions. --Lambiam 19:49, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The concept should be, which would require changing one or two words in the definition. bd2412 T 19:48, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Equinox ◑ 19:53, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. - TheDaveRoss  15:22, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete —Svārtava [t•c•u•r] 04:20, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak keep but as go to your room. Not sure why we don't have you're under arrest. DAVilla 20:54, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I think that would be a form of be under arrest, of course we don't have that either. --Rishabhbhat (talk) 15:46, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is similar to go to the principal's office and go sit in the corner. 172.58.171.143 15:37, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

 * RFD-deleted —Svārtava (t/u) • 15:41, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

title: Talk:go to one's room


text: rundika

title: rundika


text: kurundika

title: kurundika


text:
súil ribe

Etymology
Literally, from , conflated with (now spelled ).

Noun

 * 1) snare trap, especially one made from a loop of wire

title: súil ribe


text:
Talk:rachiometer

RFV discussion: February 2022
– Jberkel 21:12, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Cited, but only barely. This, that and the other (talk) 01:53, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

RFV-passed This, that and the other (talk) 08:30, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

title: Talk:rachiometer


text:
Talk:faggify

RFV discussion: February 2022
User:5.81.100.203 rfv’d the page but didn’t open a section here. I already put three cites on Citations:faggify and I think they’re all valid. --Simplificationalizer (talk) 06:48, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

RFV-passed This, that and the other (talk) 13:31, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

title: Talk:faggify


text:
sumabat

Etymology
From ⟨tl⟩.

Verb

 * 1) to interrupt; to break into; to meddle with

title: sumabat


text: Template:RQ:Dryden Wild Gallant

title: Template:RQ:Dryden Wild Gallant


text:
eskalacja

Etymology
.

Noun

 * 1)  escalation
 * 2)  escalation
 * 1)  escalation
 * 1)  escalation

title: eskalacja


text: paindéim

title: paindéim


text:
Sule

Etymology
Various origins:
 * Nigerian surname predominantly found in.
 * Borrowed from, a pet form of the personal name.
 * Borrowed from, a surname predominantly found in Maharashtra.

Statistics

 * According to the 2010 United States Census, Sule is the 38640th most common surname in the United States, belonging to 572 individuals. Sule is most common among Black/African American (38.64%), White (34.27%) and Asian/Pacific Islander (19.23%) individuals.

title: Sule


text: Sules

title: Sules


text: Xnm

title: Xnm


text:
nasilenie

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1) escalation
 * 1) escalation

title: nasilenie


text:
nasilanie

Etymology
From.

title: nasilanie


text: Sdi

title: Sdi


text:
zarządzenie

Etymology
From.

Noun

 * 1)  fiat
 * 2)  order
 * 1)  order

title: zarządzenie


text:
Spoonemore

Etymology
.

Statistics

 * According to the 2010 United States Census, Spoonemore is the 38640th most common surname in the United States, belonging to 572 individuals. Spoonemore is most common among White (92.83%) individuals.

title: Spoonemore


text:
Sramek

Etymology
Borrowed from.

Statistics

 * According to the 2010 United States Census, Sramek is the 38640th most common surname in the United States, belonging to 572 individuals. Sramek is most common among White (94.06%) individuals.

title: Sramek


text: Srameks

title: Srameks


text: Spoonemores

title: Spoonemores